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199706/msg00235:Re: symetrix delay PLEASE READ

3: Re: symetrix delay PLEASE READ
10: Subject: Re: symetrix delay PLEASE READ
24: > >Not every delay is a loop machine. In fact all delay machines only

199708/msg00004:Re: Ambient?

20: >Two cents on the ongoing "tyranny of ambient" thread...
69: >some sort of real-time looping based around a delay unit or a Big Three
99: idea shows up in many places. From simple delay pedals, to dj-loopers, to
103: eventides, to tc 2290's....it's all over the place. One particular set of

199708/msg00008:LOOPING PHILOSOPHY (Part 1)

39: > idea shows up in many places. From simple delay pedals, to dj-loopers, to
44: > eventides, to tc 2290's....it's all over the place.
57: done to a looped signal. Take one of the Boss digital delay/loop pedals
75: convincing me that there aren't some serious differenes between the two,

199710/msg00063:cc:Mail Link to SMTP Undeliverable Message

463: mow some lawns, start a lemonade stand, work a geek job or two, whatever,
486: Just get a delay. ANY delay. Used Digitech and Boss delays with up to
487: two seconds of memory are dirt cheap, well under $100. The little Zoom
488: delay thing costs less than $150, and is programmable, tap tempo, etc.

199801/msg00502:Re: Another NAMM Report

40: 20 sec. of full bandwidth delay (stereo I think). Will be about $200 more
69: 5.7 sec of delay.
75: Electro-Harmonix guy told me that the 16-sec delay was still in the works,
82: tc electronicâs FireworX multifx looked extremely powerful, like a

199802/msg00333:Re: Fripp's loop technique

39: There are basically two Fripps in regards to looping.
46: allowed a long delay usually between 8 and 14 seconds, letting Fripp
65: Using TC Electronics TS2290 delays, he replaced the tape decks. With guitar
71: delays may are may not all be set at the same delay times, but I believe

199802/msg01029:Re: ring modulators

32: sweeping through delay times, it almost sounds like a TB-303.
35: >Korg and TC Electronics units have ring mod. The only other pedal I can
54: type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em

199802/msg00349:Re: Fripp's loop technique

20: What I never see mentioned is what Robert was doing between these two
33: >There are basically two Fripps in regards to looping.
41: >allowed a long delay usually between 8 and 14 seconds, letting Fripp
62: >Using TC Electronics TS2290 delays, he replaced the tape decks. With

199806/msg00327:Jamman vs. Rang

21: maybe nobody replied because comparing the two units doesn't make that much
29: not willing to lugg 3 different units (tc 2290, Rang, PCM 80 with which I
36: of the EH 26 sec. delay ....?)
38: single-rack multieffects (tc G-Force) that subs for a whole fridge of 80#s

199806/msg00334:Re: Jamman vs. Rang

25: > maybe nobody replied because comparing the two units
33: had a more sophisticated delay mode.
41: > of the EH 26 sec. delay ....?)
52: > single-rack multieffects (tc G-Force) that subs for a

199806/msg00330:Re: Jamman vs. Rang

20: You might want to look at the DOD DFX-98 delay. It does looping, has 8
21: seconds of delay, and a delay time knob allows you to adjust the
30: >maybe nobody replied because comparing the two units doesn't make that
41: >not willing to lugg 3 different units (tc 2290, Rang, PCM 80 with which I

199807/author:(No subject)

20: Re: Tapped delay pedals?, July 24, 1998
44: Re: Processors: TC Electronics G-Force, July 31, 1998
131: Internet as a delay (was Re: Streaming from our recording studio), July 30, 1998
135: Re: Tapped delay pedals?, July 23, 1998

199808/msg00173:Re: Multiple loops on the EDP

20: >ostinatos. So it's great that you can sync two Echoplexes. BTW, you
21: >probably can't sync two different units, say a Jamman & an EDP?
27: >that seems to be lost with some more advanced units like the tc 2290 and
33: correspondingly the delay time, pitch, etc. Since the audio quality of

199810/author:(No subject)

61: Re: projeKCt two, October 12, 1998
96: PROJEkT TWO Revisited..., October 26, 1998
98: Re: TC-2290?, October 08, 1998
149: Re: projeKCt two, October 13, 1998

199901/msg00376:Re: dual loop technique?

43: You can also set your Jam Man in delay mode and have decaying long delays
47: major advantages of the TC 2290's that Fripp loves to use. I've yet to
51: delay mode. My partner Steve Geest loves to use this approach. On the first
52: Looper's CD we were both using this approach with two jam men each to

199904/msg00524:Re: EVENTIDE.

84: >the front panels of FX from Ensoniq, Roland, tc, Korg, Lexicon, etc., has
102: >Want a plain-vanilla delay that's not quite there in the presets? FIRST,
137: >basic delay blocks that each max out at 660ms, but whose parameters have
141: >all of them. A 10-sec. delay uses less than half the available dsp

199904/msg00517:Re: EVENTIDE.

52: the front panels of FX from Ensoniq, Roland, tc, Korg, Lexicon, etc., has
66: Want a plain-vanilla delay that's not quite there in the presets? FIRST,
98: basic delay blocks that each max out at 660ms, but whose parameters have
102: all of them. A 10-sec. delay uses less than half the available dsp

199905/author:(No subject)

70: TC 2290 a request and a warning, May 25, 1999
372: Re: TC 2290 a request and a warning, May 25, 1999
394: [Fwd: Emigre News-Two New Books], May 07, 1999
686: Re: TC 2290 a request and a warning, May 25, 1999

199906/msg00470:Re: Fripp & the EH16

32: been as an aside to one of the first two eighties-era KC tours. He gushed
44: >> Have everyone forgotten that EH 16 second delay contraption circa 1984?
67: >I saw him perform in Salisbury Cathederal (97) with his TC electronics

199906/author:(No subject)

71: Re: TC 2290 a request and a warning, June 02, 1999
358: tc 2290, June 26, 1999
372: Re: LDCD # 1 Reissue - PART TWO, June 25, 1999
402: Re: tc 2290 FS $1300/What About Bob?, June 25, 1999

199908/msg00350:Re: MPX-G2, FireworX...and Pluggo!

25: >that indicated that you could only have one delay per
29: The G2 allows only one delay per preset. But, besides Chorus, Delay,
31: and the analog gain section, there's two "Effect" blocks, which both have
37: assuming you've got processing power still available. But not delay,

199910/msg00425:Re: Two looping questions from a neophyte

3: Re: Two looping questions from a neophyte
10: Subject: Re: Two looping questions from a neophyte
35: pedales: tc sustain/eq, tc 12-stage phaser, zvex fuzzfactory (& sometimes)

199910/msg00585:Re: Two looping questions from a neophyte

3: Re: Two looping questions from a neophyte
10: Subject: Re: Two looping questions from a neophyte
24: Delay Modeler which appears to have around 14 secs with all the Boomerang

199910/msg00428:Re: Two looping questions from a neophyte

3: Re: Two looping questions from a neophyte
10: Subject: Re: Two looping questions from a neophyte
41: >pedales: tc sustain/eq, tc 12-stage phaser, zvex fuzzfactory (& sometimes)

199911/msg00950:Re: RE: Digital Echoplex and TC Dual Delay... MIDI!!!!!

3: Re: RE: Digital Echoplex and TC Dual Delay... MIDI!!!!!
10: Subject: Re: RE: Digital Echoplex and TC Dual Delay... MIDI!!!!!
19: >Ok Travis and others concerned about MIDI on the new TC D-TWO... On

199911/msg00413:Re: Digital Echoplex and TC Dual Delay... MIDI!!!!!

3: Re: Digital Echoplex and TC Dual Delay... MIDI!!!!!
10: Subject: Re: Digital Echoplex and TC Dual Delay... MIDI!!!!!
19: MSRP according to Simon at TC U.S. will be $699.00... he went on to

199911/msg00068:Re: tc D-Two specs?

3: Re: tc D-Two specs?
10: Subject: Re: tc D-Two specs?
19: I called TC U.S. and talked with Simon... he said full midi cc

199911/msg00060:Re: which echo unit?

23: |There's a new TC Electronic "budget" unit called the D-Two coming
25: |buckolas. It has 10 secs of *stereo* delay and a hold function.
27: |and from the ad copy a very full featured multi-tap tempo delay
29: |one. Should ship in late November according to TC U.S.

199911/msg00412:Re: Digital Echoplex and TC Dual Delay... MIDI!!!!!

3: Re: Digital Echoplex and TC Dual Delay... MIDI!!!!!
10: Subject: Re: Digital Echoplex and TC Dual Delay... MIDI!!!!!
30: > Ok Travis and others concerned about MIDI on the new TC D-TWO... On

199911/msg00572:TC D-TWO v/s Roland SDE3000

3: TC D-TWO v/s Roland SDE3000
10: Subject: TC D-TWO v/s Roland SDE3000
19: >>>Ok Travis and others concerned about MIDI on the new TC D-TWO... On

199911/msg00083:Re: which echo unit?

20: > "There's a new TC Electronic "budget" unit called the D-Two coming
22: buckolas. It has 10 secs of *stereo* delay and a hold function.
24: and from the ad copy a very full featured multi-tap tempo delay
26: one. Should ship in late November according to TC U.S. "

199911/msg00437:Re: RE: Digital Echoplex and TC Dual Delay... MIDI!!!!!

3: Re: RE: Digital Echoplex and TC Dual Delay... MIDI!!!!!
10: Subject: Re: RE: Digital Echoplex and TC Dual Delay... MIDI!!!!!
19: >>>Ok Travis and others concerned about MIDI on the new TC D-TWO... On

199911/msg00066:Re: which echo unit?

21: Just click on the two dsp's below the top picture...
23: There's also about the same info in a TC press release on the home
35: |There's a new TC Electronic "budget" unit called the D-Two coming
37: |buckolas. It has 10 secs of *stereo* delay and a hold function.

199911/msg00411:Re: RE: Digital Echoplex and TC Dual Delay... MIDI!!!!!

3: Re: RE: Digital Echoplex and TC Dual Delay... MIDI!!!!!
10: Subject: Re: RE: Digital Echoplex and TC Dual Delay... MIDI!!!!!
19: Ok Travis and others concerned about MIDI on the new TC D-TWO... On

199911/msg00457:Re: RE: Digital Echoplex and TC Dual Delay... MIDI!!!!!

3: Re: RE: Digital Echoplex and TC Dual Delay... MIDI!!!!!
10: Subject: Re: RE: Digital Echoplex and TC Dual Delay... MIDI!!!!!
21: Lots of bitching about short delay time deleted...

199911/msg00490:Re: DSP ... DJRND2 and TC Dual Delay...

3: Re: DSP ... DJRND2 and TC Dual Delay...
10: Subject: Re: DSP ... DJRND2 and TC Dual Delay...
25: > But the new t.c. two seams to be just a delay, so I'm not sure there is a

199911/author:(No subject)

27: FA: TC Electronics G-Force & Digitech RDS8000 Time Machine, November 27, 1999
74: Re: delay -> looper, November 20, 1999
78: delay -> looper, November 19, 1999
120: Re: 16 second delay problem, November 24, 1999

199911/msg00462:Re: DSP ... DJRND2 and TC Dual Delay...

3: Re: DSP ... DJRND2 and TC Dual Delay...
10: Subject: Re: DSP ... DJRND2 and TC Dual Delay...
22: But the new t.c. two seams to be just a delay, so I'm not sure there is a

199911/msg00291:Re: tc D-Two, Disppointed again? NOT YET!

3: Re: tc D-Two, Disppointed again? NOT YET!
10: Subject: Re: tc D-Two, Disppointed again? NOT YET!
19: I've spoken with Simon at TC Electronic US and he said it did have

199911/msg00058:Re: which echo unit?

19: There's a new TC Electronic "budget" unit called the D-Two coming
21: buckolas. It has 10 secs of *stereo* delay and a hold function.
23: and from the ad copy a very full featured multi-tap tempo delay
25: one. Should ship in late November according to TC U.S.

199911/msg00061:tc D-Two specs?

3: tc D-Two specs?
10: Subject: tc D-Two specs?
27: > |There's a new TC Electronic "budget" unit called the D-Two coming

199911/msg00289:tc D-Two, Disppointed again?

3: tc D-Two, Disppointed again?
10: Subject: tc D-Two, Disppointed again?
19: Looking through tc's website (http://www.tcelectronic.com/), under the

199911/msg00428:Re: RE: Digital Echoplex and TC Dual Delay... MIDI!!!!!

3: Re: RE: Digital Echoplex and TC Dual Delay... MIDI!!!!!
10: Subject: Re: RE: Digital Echoplex and TC Dual Delay... MIDI!!!!!
19: >>Ok Travis and others concerned about MIDI on the new TC D-TWO... On

199911/msg00076:Re: which echo unit?

19: "There's a new TC Electronic "budget" unit called the D-Two coming
21: buckolas. It has 10 secs of *stereo* delay and a hold function.
23: and from the ad copy a very full featured multi-tap tempo delay
25: one. Should ship in late November according to TC U.S. "

199912/msg00832:Re: New looper guidance wanted/needed

43: > How much delay time is necessary to do soundscape-like effects?
50: 20-second delay, and the stuff on "November Suite" and "That Which Passes"
52: he'll have two, three, or four loops going simultaneously, each with a
55: > How many delay units are needed to do decent soundscapes?

199912/msg00055:Re: TC D-Two

3: Re: TC D-Two
10: Subject: Re: TC D-Two
25: hit the streets now pretty soon. It's a new TC Electronic "budget" box.

199912/author:(No subject)

239: Re: looper's missing delay presets -- why?, December 02, 1999
287: Re: looper's missing delay presets -- why?, December 02, 1999
298: Re: New Line6 Delay/Looper Questions, December 01, 1999
305: TC D-Two, December 02, 1999

199912/msg00831:Re: New looper guidance wanted/needed

30: There's quite a bit of overlap between the two terms as they're generally
36: >How much delay time is necessary to do soundscape-like effects?
38: It's surprising how much can be done with under two seconds, but obviously
42: >How many delay units are needed to do decent soundscapes?

200003/msg00221:Re: dl4 = midi -- > t.c. D2

19: speaking of delays w/ MIDI implementation, anyone used the TC. Electronic
20: D-Two? Did I miss any posted reviews?
29: >two main reasones:
47: >2.midi clock both in loop and delay mode

200006/msg00149:Re: TC D-Two Delay

3: Re: TC D-Two Delay
10: Subject: Re: TC D-Two Delay
20: >... Noone uses delay as much as I do...

200006/msg00588:Re: Re: TC Electronics D-TWO

3: Re: Re: TC Electronics D-TWO
10: Subject: Re: Re: TC Electronics D-TWO
25: bought mine. It has the cleanest, most accurate delay

200006/msg00155:Re: TC D-Two Delay

3: Re: TC D-Two Delay
10: Subject: Re: TC D-Two Delay
19: Hi Dan... Everything looks great on the D-Two... I'm still wanting to

200006/msg00154:FS: TC D-Two Delay on Harmony Central [not by me]

3: FS: TC D-Two Delay on Harmony Central [not by me]
10: Subject: FS: TC D-Two Delay on Harmony Central [not by me]
21: T.C. ELECTRONIC D-2 DELAY...LIKE NEW!!!

200006/msg00146:TC D-Two Delay

3: TC D-Two Delay
10: Subject: TC D-Two Delay
19: I've been looking at getting the TC D-Two Delay. Does anyone here have any

200006/msg00147:Re: TC D-Two Delay

3: Re: TC D-Two Delay
10: Subject: Re: TC D-Two Delay
24: >Subject: TC D-Two Delay

200006/author:(No subject)

170: Re: Re: TC Electronics D-TWO, June 28, 2000
176: Re: TC D-Two Delay, June 12, 2000
178: Re: TC D-Two Delay, June 12, 2000
179: Re: TC Electronics D-TWO, June 28, 2000

200006/msg00586:Re: TC Electronics D-TWO

3: Re: TC Electronics D-TWO
10: Subject: Re: TC Electronics D-TWO
23: bought mine. It has the cleanest, most accurate delay

200006/msg00148:Re: TC D-Two Delay

3: Re: TC D-Two Delay
10: Subject: Re: TC D-Two Delay
20: delay as much as I do. It is a wonderful machine and

200006/msg00150:Re: TC D-Two Delay

3: Re: TC D-Two Delay
10: Subject: Re: TC D-Two Delay
21: >>... Noone uses delay as much as I do...

200006/msg00266:TC Electronics D-TWO

3: TC Electronics D-TWO
10: Subject: TC Electronics D-TWO
19: Does anyone know if this is a decent delay unit to use for looping? I

200006/msg00600:Re: Re: TC Electronics D-TWO

3: Re: Re: TC Electronics D-TWO
10: Subject: Re: Re: TC Electronics D-TWO
30: > delay

200006/msg00575:Re: TC Electronics D-TWO

3: Re: TC Electronics D-TWO
10: Subject: Re: TC Electronics D-TWO
21: to get control of. OF course, it sounds wonderful, in the tc style, and

200006/msg00151:Re: TC D-Two Delay

3: Re: TC D-Two Delay
10: Subject: Re: TC D-Two Delay
19: I think it will have to be a totaling of all delay

200008/msg00211:Re: recommendation anyone?

44: > It's hard to beat the delay fun that's hiding in a TC Electronic D-Two;
46: > Korg SDD-3300 is a *wild* triple delay machine that's VERY underrated;
56: > For reverbs, the price/performance ratio of the TC Electronic M-One is

200008/msg00216:RE: recommendation anyone?

65: > It's hard to beat the delay fun that's hiding in a TC Electronic D-Two;
67: > Korg SDD-3300 is a *wild* triple delay machine that's VERY underrated;
77: > For reverbs, the price/performance ratio of the TC Electronic M-One is

200008/msg00208:Re: recommendation anyone?

30: It's hard to beat the delay fun that's hiding in a TC Electronic D-Two;
32: Korg SDD-3300 is a *wild* triple delay machine that's VERY underrated; the
41: For reverbs, the price/performance ratio of the TC Electronic M-One is

200008/msg00612:Re: Re:Kyma/max

30: reverbs by TC Works, Waves, Steinberg, etc.
42: >was some discernible delay. If you're a player you don't really want
72: >> I'm mostly interested in two aspects of the programs. One is live

200008/msg00212:Re: recommendation anyone?

20: >It's hard to beat the delay fun that's hiding in a TC Electronic
21: >D-Two; the Korg SDD-3300 is a *wild* triple delay machine that's

200009/msg00499:RE: Eventide4 KIM

26: >delay/looping.
39: AUDIO : this has the following libraries, Delay modules, Dynamic Modules,
94: two
118: 4000s have only 10,5 seconds of delay memory, 7000 has 43sec, Orville has

200010/msg00040:Re: t.c D-One

21: >anyone know if the memory on the new tc electronics D-One delay line is
24: >comes with 10 seconds onboard... be nice if it was a minute or two...
35: It's a great delay line... The rhythmic repeats are incredible fun. I have

200010/msg00039:t.c D-One

19: anyone know if the memory on the new tc electronics D-One delay line is
22: comes with 10 seconds onboard... be nice if it was a minute or two...

200011/msg00103:Re: TC Electronics

3: Re: TC Electronics
10: Subject: Re: TC Electronics
22: >Does anyone know the new TC Electronc D-Two delay?

200011/msg00041:Re: TC Electronics

3: Re: TC Electronics
10: Subject: Re: TC Electronics
23: >>Does anyone know the new TC Electronc D-Two delay? Is it a valid looping

200011/msg00022:TC Electronics

3: TC Electronics
10: Subject: TC Electronics
22: Does anyone know the new TC Electronc D-Two

200011/msg00047:Re: TC Electronics

3: Re: TC Electronics
10: Subject: Re: TC Electronics
21: > Unforunately, I'm not rich enough for the wonderful TC 2290...

200011/msg00067:Re: TC Electronics

3: Re: TC Electronics
10: Subject: Re: TC Electronics
27: It depends of two things... 1-your guitar/preamp relation 2- How you turn

200011/msg00036:Re: TC Electronics

3: Re: TC Electronics
10: Subject: Re: TC Electronics
20: Does anyone know the new TC Electronc D-Two delay? Is it a valid looping device?

200011/msg00046:Re: TC Electronics

3: Re: TC Electronics
10: Subject: Re: TC Electronics
22: TC 2290...

200101/msg00626:Re: analog delays

21: >From the Big Briar site: "with delay times as short as 40 milliseconds
26: John may be using a part with a short delay, but if so, he's using more
27: of them. At half the price, and twice the delay time, the Blacet module
29: these two units? Now if only the Time Machine came in one of those cute

200101/msg00465:Re: analog delays

20: Big Briar's Delay, TC D-2, Blacet time machine, I think he had also a
24: one.. It was one of the two you mentioned).. Instead, I bought an old
60: > >is THE analog delay to get. How about a close second that is to be had
71: > The price of a good analog delay is high 'cause of the price of the BBD's

200101/author:(No subject)

550: Heyoka_face_eater, wils0450@tc.umn.edu
795: native instruments spektral delay, January 21, 2001
854: OT: TC electronic D Two MIDI program change, January 28, 2001
1341: Repeater Delay, January 20, 2001

200101/msg00897:OT: TC electronic D Two MIDI program change

3: OT: TC electronic D Two MIDI program change
10: Subject: OT: TC electronic D Two MIDI program change
21: Hello there. I've just bought a wonderful TC D-Two

200101/msg00478:RE: analog delays

21: The AD202 is pretty full-featured, with delay, flange, stereo chorus, and
27: two inputs: mic and instrument (both 1/4"), which are selectable.
30: delay
31: section only has controls for delay time, regen, and blend. The regen

200103/author:(No subject)

453: Repeater Delay, March 19, 2001
502: Heyoka_face_eater, wils0450@tc.umn.edu
587: Re: TC Electronics SUSTAIN+ PARAMETRIC EQUALIZER, March 28, 2001
588: Re: TC Electronics SUSTAIN+ PARAMETRIC EQUALIZER, March 29, 2001

200105/msg00323:RE: jamman footswitch >> midi controllers

21: >controller's delay time unacceptable as well. I'd go with hard wired
35: PMC 80, Korg AM8000r and TC D-Two, all of which have dedicated

200108/msg00926:Re: unknown "looping" device

20: D-Two, and it definitely qualifies as a live-looper.
31: >I recently bought a TC Electronic D-Two delay box. Having used it for 3
35: >as it has 10 sec mono delay and excellent musical features, including a
44: >that, the D-two and an MPX1 we improvised some incredible beats.

200108/msg00928:Re: unknown "looping" device

21: (seems to be a nice delay though.) If you think otherwise, how about
29: >D-Two, and it definitely qualifies as a live-looper.
40: >>I recently bought a TC Electronic D-Two delay box. Having used it for 3
44: >>as it has 10 sec mono delay and excellent musical features, including a

200108/msg00970:EDP pseudo-multi-tracks (was Re: Conceptual "Repeater" question)

41: 4 different places: delay based interfaces, sampler based interfaces,
49: delays, or the TC D-Two, or the Korg DL8000 were delay based approaches.
63: want, with a longer part over the top. To the listener it sounds like two
92: listener's perspective, it is exactly the same as having two tracks and

200108/msg00907:unknown "looping" device

19: I recently bought a TC Electronic D-Two delay box. Having used it for 3
22: as it has 10 sec mono delay and excellent musical features, including a
30: that, the D-two and an MPX1 we improvised some incredible beats.

200109/msg00237:Re: the power of limits

38: amp; PCM80; EDP; Korg AM8000r; TC D-Two Delay; DBX Vocal Processor/Mic Pre

200109/msg00755:Re: Line6 Echo Pro

23: category if used as a delay rather than as a looper. (For the price,
24: however, in looking for a delay effect, I'd have to think about whether I'd
25: rather get an Echo Pro or a TC D-Two.)

200109/msg01183:Re: unknown "looping" device

20: >the D-Two, and it definitely qualifies as a live-looper.
25: delay, I proposed t.c. to include them in the 2290 and spent a
31: released the D-Two, I contacted him again, saying that it had become
34: So when the d-Two came out, I found it strange that they even made a

200109/msg01185:Re: unknown "looping" device

19: Your experience with Kim at TC sounds very familiar to me. I've had a
26: a great deal of trouble getting MIDI information from TC, and in fact
50: >delay, I proposed t.c. to include them in the 2290 and spent a
56: >released the D-Two, I contacted him again, saying that it had become

200110/msg00301:Re: stereo delay

3: Re: stereo delay
10: Subject: Re: stereo delay
22: using a delay, actually, since the delay input stays open, except you can

200110/msg00311:Re: stereo delay

3: Re: stereo delay
10: Subject: Re: stereo delay
30: Echo Pro? Is it only delay time on the traditional delays that can lock to

200110/msg00302:Re: stereo delay

3: Re: stereo delay
10: Subject: Re: stereo delay
20: > >jammans, or use two of the new line 6 echo pros, or use two tc

200110/msg00320:RE: stereo delay

3: RE: stereo delay
10: Subject: RE: stereo delay
59: >Subject: stereo delay

200110/msg00313:Re: stereo delay

3: Re: stereo delay
10: Subject: Re: stereo delay
38: > Echo Pro? Is it only delay time on the traditional delays that can lock

200110/msg00305:RE: stereo delay

3: RE: stereo delay
10: Subject: RE: stereo delay
31: Subject: stereo delay

200110/msg00850:Re: Affordable Soundscapes (and the Line 6 DL4)

19: While it may not outdo the TC-stuff in bells n' whistles, or the BOSS
22: getting lost in the land of rackmounts. Anyone else a fan of using two
26: deeper delay hell. I need to figure out a stereo A/B/C switch-box setup to

200110/msg00274:Re: stereo delay

3: Re: stereo delay
10: Subject: Re: stereo delay
23: would allow you to have two 10 sec delays in parallel.

200110/msg00427:Re: stereo delay (Line 6 sync)

3: Re: stereo delay (Line 6 sync)
10: Subject: Re: stereo delay (Line 6 sync)
27: >- no "dialing in" of delay time in looper mode

200110/msg00278:Re: stereo delay

3: Re: stereo delay
10: Subject: Re: stereo delay
19: > i sold my two jammans to buy a repeater, but at the moment it's not

200110/msg00273:stereo delay

3: stereo delay
10: Subject: stereo delay
20: i sold my two jammans to buy a repeater, but at the moment it's not cutting

200110/msg00286:Re: stereo delay

3: Re: stereo delay
10: Subject: Re: stereo delay
19: >jammans, or use two of the new line 6 echo pros, or use two tc electronic

200110/msg00290:Re: stereo delay

3: Re: stereo delay
10: Subject: Re: stereo delay
34: > would allow you to have two 10 sec delays in parallel.

200110/msg00913:Re: Affordable Soundscapes (and the Line 6 DL4)

21: For awhile I was able to do the same thing as you are (i.e. delay one 1 and
42: > While it may not outdo the TC-stuff in bells n' whistles, or the BOSS
45: > getting lost in the land of rackmounts. Anyone else a fan of using two
49: > deeper delay hell. I need to figure out a stereo A/B/C switch-box setup

200111/msg00405:Re: kingcrimson in sf-no loop content...

24: TC's and Eventide's (nearly wet my pants at the sight of it!) had a delay
25: patch or two going. :-)
43: LD t-shirt and said he saw two others who had told him they were all going

200201/msg00897:RE: good processor for weird sounds, etc.?

20: I've owned Eventides, Lexicons, and tc gear, which are all certainly fun,
23: delay I've ever used; factory patch #10--I never use its other patches but
29: looping delay, mono-synth voices, the incomparable "intelligent" Ring Mod
40: which has nice filters, step-phasers and pitch-shifting, but needs two Korg

200202/author:(No subject)

263: Re: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request, February 18, 2002
264: Re: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request, February 18, 2002
406: little OT: TC 2290 or D-Two?, February 18, 2002
543: Re: EDP Delay+Mute Mode Request, February 19, 2002

200202/msg00537:little OT: TC 2290 or D-Two?

3: little OT: TC 2290 or D-Two?
10: Subject: little OT: TC 2290 or D-Two?
22: compare the TC 2290 and the D-Two?

200202/msg00729:RS 10 ->Patchmate->Repeater->Echoplex

24: of a Rocktron Patchmate to switch pedals in and out and a TC 2290 for
25: delay.
33: Patchmate Midi Thru/Out -> TC 2290 Midi In
34: TC 2290 Midi Thru -> Repeater Midi in

200202/msg00099:Re: Reverb: Bang for Buck (Was: Percussive Loopers)

21: better than all the other software verbs in the test including TC- I was
23: surprised at NAMM to find the similarly designed D-Two had no Exit key-
93: > >just a weird delay with the outputs of the MPX100.

200203/msg00110:RE: MIDI Tempo based effect processor?

19: TC Electronics Fireworx
36: > after lugging two racks of gear down to Loopstock, I found
41: > delay, flange

200203/msg00090:Re: MIDI Tempo based effect processor?

22: well), perhaps the TC Fireworx is worthwhile checking into... maybe? It is
39: > after lugging two racks of gear down to Loopstock, I found myself asking
41: > basically hoping for is to replace my MO-FX (tempo based delay, flange

200203/msg00100:Re: MIDI Tempo based effect processor?

33: > well), perhaps the TC Fireworx is worthwhile checking into... maybe?
51: >> after lugging two racks of gear down to Loopstock, I found myself
55: >> basically hoping for is to replace my MO-FX (tempo based delay, flange

200204/msg00048:Gear setup/sequence question

39: don't need. I don't want delay and modulation effects in front of
41: stereo and the other two devices only have mono inputs), so it needs to
46: I'd love to replace the GP-16 and the Vortex with something like a TC

200206/msg00396:Re: new looping/sequencer/fx rack finished.

49: TC Electronics D-Two digital delay
50: Ibanez AD202 analog delay (rear-panel I/O added)
56: analog delay send HPF)

200207/msg00688:Re: D-Two Looper Settings

3: Re: D-Two Looper Settings
10: Subject: Re: D-Two Looper Settings
19: Anthony, thanks for this info. From what I have read, the max delay

200207/msg01176:Re: TC Electronic D-Two (was Re: D-Two Looper Settings)

3: Re: TC Electronic D-Two (was Re: D-Two Looper Settings)
10: Subject: Re: TC Electronic D-Two (was Re: D-Two Looper Settings)
20: bypass occurs before the delay or after. It also lets you choose whether

200207/msg00659:Re: D-Two Looper Settings

3: Re: D-Two Looper Settings
10: Subject: Re: D-Two Looper Settings
23: control, delay time, tap tempo, who knows?

200207/msg01362:RE: Of percussion, Repeaters, and MIDI clocks

27: TC D Two - perfect
28: TC FireworX - some slight clicks in delays sometimes
32: Sony HR-GP5 - perfect (delay is only MIDI-synced effect)

200207/author:(No subject)

109: Re: D-Two Looper Settings, July 14, 2002
112: Re: D-Two Looper Settings, July 15, 2002
113: Re: CV or MIDI Expression-Controlled Delay Time?, July 06, 2002
133: Re: D-Two Looper Settings, July 13, 2002

200207/msg00699:Re: D-Two Looper Settings

3: Re: D-Two Looper Settings
10: Subject: Re: D-Two Looper Settings
33: Using these options does not effect the delay time.

200207/msg00682:Re: D-Two Looper Settings

3: Re: D-Two Looper Settings
10: Subject: Re: D-Two Looper Settings
24: But, there is a MIDI implementation guide on the TC website and pretty much

200212/msg00194:Re: [looper's] midi-locked delays and stuff

26: and an internal, pre-loop, tap delay. It allows for a lot more
36: And...al of this is controlable "sans-midi" (via two three button
48: TC
51: delay-displaced rhythmic loops, and real-time rhythmic "morphing" of loops.

200302/msg00282:infinite tones

22: tc-electronic g-major: it has a seamless-function, so a delay or reverb
23: will not be cut off when you change to another sound. i take a delay with
25: i change to another sound, the delay wants to ring out, but it can't (100%
31: to stop it i found out two ways (with a feedback

200303/author:(No subject)

47: Delay Mode.., March 15, 2003
52: RE: Delay Mode.., March 16, 2003
298: No other radio playlist 3/03As broadcast on kpfa/kpfb Berkeley and kfcf Fresno and streamed as kpfa.org.the 'no other radio' program has brought independent/difficult music to northern California for over two decades, on the pacifica networkWe welcome all independent/unusual musicians and artists to send in their work.Contact; das@ubuibi.orgPlaylists are archived at http://ubuibi.org/uB-main.htmlUnder the 'radio' link.While there you can also find rotating n.o.r. Mp3's.This time featuring a visit with stimbox & xome (in no particular order)Jorge antunes savage songs pogusStephen millard Black window angry veganThe silverman requiem settings soleilmoonMarvin Pontiac greatest hits strange & beautifulPe unreleased reduktiv musikenCold electric fire sacred noise elasticinemaTroum tjukurrpa drones-core finger mark dronevance orchestra hot water music dronebad sector dolmen dronehideg ronics dronepara noise terminal fraktale droneultra milkmaids jain umpoulet dronev/a editions-zero #2 intrasitivev/a bricollage #1 illegal artv/a just a love song old europa caféhenry cow in praise of learning recommendedyasunao tone wounded manyo alkuvogelwurger primus arthuurvogelwurger secundus arthuur, March 20, 2003
385: RE: delay time part ii, March 11, 2003

200306/msg00588:Re: Frippertronics and soundscapes

40: were selling the Electro-Harmonix 16 sec digital delay
46: that he had two echoplexes at that time to do his
48: replace them with TC 2290's. I don't remember what his

200306/msg00903:Reaktor 4 as a guitar processor

71: OK, what's so cool? I'm into delay effects, so most of these examples are
72: delay based:
74: A 12-band filter, with a 2-sec. delay on each band, each with dedicated
86: goes into a filter, a delay, and an overdrive.

200306/msg00839:Re: Music

21: I started out using two Revoxes like Fripp and Eno.
23: setting the delay time by how far the tape recorders
27: Later I used two Electroharmonix 16 sec digital
28: delays, two Hiwatt 100 stacks, and a pedalboard with a

200306/msg00904:Re: Reaktor 4 as a guitar processor

104: > OK, what's so cool? I'm into delay effects, so most of these examples are
105: > delay based:
107: > A 12-band filter, with a 2-sec. delay on each band, each with dedicated
122: > goes into a filter, a delay, and an overdrive.

200307/msg00478:Re: (affordable) stereo (live) looping?

20: sec of loop/delay time and a bunch of other features. The cool thing
32: still get service though, though TC Electronics, as they were both part
55: > I'd imagine that I could buy two EDP's and sync them,
59: > easily buy two mono pedals like the ones from Akai or

200308/msg01150:Re: Cranky Kim

110: > > Alright, fine, you have to get two for stereo, but that also gives you
138: $2000. Add in the TC-2290. delay only, $2000. Etc. I'm just illustrating
146: >a TC G-force if it only did delays?
148: People still spend $2000 for the 2290 delay. Admittedly that is a little

200308/msg01000:Hello, my name is biz and I am gearaholic. It all started with a small pink footpedal my friend gave me for my birthday...

47: laptops. Some people on this list surely remember when a 6 second delay box
238: > Alright, fine, you have to get two for stereo, but that also gives you
255: > TC finalizer: $2400
256: > TC fireworx: $1760

200308/msg01327:Re: Narrowing the field (Re: Currently available looper music webpage)

30: T.C. Electronic 2290 Digital Delay
31: DOD D12 - Dimension 12 Sampling Delay
35: Line6 DL4 Modeling Delay
41: TC Electronic D-Two Delay

200310/msg00159:Re: Echoplex DP instant replay

21: the last time I saw Bob Fripp he had a stack of TC 2290 delays but, to my
23: 2290s but they might do the "instant playback" thingie, being digital delay
33: ideas in mind, the 2290 being a full-blown digital delay line with all the
39: both would do the same thing but at some points two roads will diverge to

200310/author:(No subject)

248: RE: Digitech X Delay and Kaoss MIDI in, October 24, 2003
492: Re: TC Electronics D-Two, October 31, 2003
617: Re: TC Electronics D-Two, October 31, 2003
629: WOT: Looking for looper/digital artist/musician/cool person to join me in a cool two bedroom in SF, October 02, 2003

200311/author:(No subject)

225: Cheap stereo analog delay alert, November 24, 2003
335: more for sale: tc electronics d-two, rolls line mixer, harmonizer, and more, November 04, 2003
376: RE: begining EDP - Loop Delay on Loop did the trick ! Brilliant ! Thans A LOT Kim :-) <eom>, November 03, 2003
823: TC Electronics/G Major Problem, November 30, 2003

200311/msg00358:RE: Why use 2 loopers?

21: I'd like to address the "two (or more) separate loopers" question:
24: loop, which are: Repeater, Headrush, DL4, digitech RDS, Vortex and TC D
25: Two.
32: The D2 (which is basically a long (10sec.) delay) has some multitap,

200402/msg00235:FS: tc electronic d-two delay for sale + more

3: FS: tc electronic d-two delay for sale + more
10: Subject: FS: tc electronic d-two delay for sale + more
20: tc electronic fireworx $800

200402/author:(No subject)

150: Re: How to match parameters on two EDPs, February 04, 2004
176: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality., February 13, 2004
188: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality., February 13, 2004
190: Re: 16 second delay reissue a reality., February 13, 2004

200403/msg00216:RE: need a digital delay that meets ridiculous requirements

3: RE: need a digital delay that meets ridiculous requirements
10: Subject: RE: need a digital delay that meets ridiculous requirements
20: the TC Electronic D-TWO.

200406/msg00074:tc 2290 series vs. parallel

3: tc 2290 series vs. parallel
10: Subject: tc 2290 series vs. parallel
34: interested in getting started. I recently purchased (2) TC 2290s both

200410/msg00248:Interesting polyrhythms from MIDI synchable delays

22: does this. I don't use a G2, but I do use a TC-Electronic G-Major, and it
26: divisions on the GMaj to create interesting polyrhythms. With longer delay
27: settings (whole note), the line between delay and loop gets blurred...
32: I tried using the TC D2 to accomplish some of this, but it didn't sync as

200410/msg00310:TC FireworX (was: mp3 of G2 & EDP)

3: TC FireworX (was: mp3 of G2 & EDP)
10: Subject: TC FireworX (was: mp3 of G2 & EDP)
21: > On a similar note related to the G2, is anyone out there using the TC

200410/msg00437:REPLEX (was: TC FireworX /G-force)

3: REPLEX (was: TC FireworX /G-force)
10: Subject: REPLEX (was: TC FireworX /G-force)
21: >I have two Hughes and Kettner stomp boxes, the Replex and the Tube

200410/msg00247:Re: Looping with the Echoplex with the Lexicon G2 slaved to its clock

20: else does this. I don't use a G2, but I do use a TC-Electronic G-Major,
24: polyrhythms. With longer delay settings (whole note), the line between
25: delay and loop gets blurred... which is a good thing!
60: >delay doubles its time) or when choosing a subcycle division on the EDP,

200410/msg00405:RE: TC FireworX /G-force

3: RE: TC FireworX /G-force
10: Subject: RE: TC FireworX /G-force
22: I have two Hughes and Kettner stomp boxes, the Replex and the Tube

200412/msg00478:Vortex Repair Success! Summary of my quest for tone altering effects

29: Suggestions: Boss VF-1, Kurzweil Mangler, Roland VG-8, Evantide Eclipse, TC Electronic G-Force, TC Electronic D-2, TC Electronic G-Major, Boss GT-5, Lexicon Vortex, Lexicon LXP5, Alesis Ineko.
35: - Boss SX-700 multi-effects processor (for delay, octave, and chorus)
39: - Two EDPs (looping)
42: I still have one space in my rack. I plan to get the Kurzweil Mangler, thanks to David Coffin's suggestion. It looks like a whopper for tone altering effects, but a little more expensive than the above two. I want to get a better unit for reverb too…not sure on that yet.

200502/msg00996:RE: Power of the Eventide Eclipse / Virtual Guitar Racks/Systems

27: better....imagine an Eclipse, H6000, PMC-91, PMC-81, and TC Electronix
39: Delay Module? And inside that, tons of parameters and flexibility, etc.
59: What we need is a two-device rack: one device for infinite sonic
106: > chorus, and delay. In short, I'd like to get the sounds I have now,

200503/msg00243:RE: All-Laptop live?

45: Ableton Live (I really like the filtered delay and the bit-reducer, for
48: that fact prompted me to pick up a TC Electronics Powercore. That
51: delay, and reverb -- to the Powercore, and save my CPU cycles for more
77: into it (remember, the Chapman Stick has two outputs -- a bass side and a

200504/author:(No subject)

183: Re: Tom Delay loops himself, April 15, 2005
196: Re: Boss DD-20 Upgraded to 46 Seconds of Delay!, April 22, 2005
198: Delay formulas, April 22, 2005
204: Boss DD-20 Upgraded to 46 Seconds of Delay!, April 21, 2005

200507/msg00426:Modern Soundscaping: Fripp.

25: And also.. I have been looking at TC Electronic's D-Two for my delay

200507/msg00468:Re: Modern Soundscaping: Fripp.

26: >1-TC Electronic G-Force
27: >4-TC Electronic D-Two Multi-Tap Delay

200507/msg00473:TC Electronics: Old vs New.

3: TC Electronics: Old vs New.
10: Subject: TC Electronics: Old vs New.
19: I've been looking around at different delay units, new and old.. and

200507/msg00535:Re: Modern Soundscaping: Fripp.

19: If you use a volume pedal and a delay and loop what you create with that
42: > > 1-TC Electronic G-Force
43: > > 4-TC Electronic D-Two Multi-Tap Delay

200507/msg00471:Re: Modern Soundscaping: Fripp.

24: > 1-TC Electronic G-Force
25: > 4-TC Electronic D-Two Multi-Tap Delay

200507/msg00467:Re: Modern Soundscaping: Fripp.

24: 1-TC Electronic G-Force
25: 4-TC Electronic D-Two Multi-Tap Delay
49: > > > new wave suit-wearing proto-indie-rock primitive tape delay fripp

200508/msg00616:FYI: Gear FS posting....

21: Subject: TC Electronics D-TWO 10-sec. delay

200509/msg00087:Re: lexicon boxes

24: Modulator with broken power supply, AMS reverb and delay, Klark Teknik DN 780...
26: Marshall´s delay section was not affected). I was tempted to buy some Lexicon
63: we have two dead pcm80s here, both with power supply &
77: fwiw, we've had similar problems with some tc units (we use

200509/msg00089:Re: lexicon boxes

38: >Modulator with broken power supply, AMS reverb and delay, Klark Teknik DN
40: >(luckily the Marshall´s delay section was not affected). I was tempted to
70: > we have two dead pcm80s here, both with power supply & a>d problems.
89: > fwiw, we've had similar problems with some tc units (we use dbmax on

200511/msg00530:Re: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey

49: > > It's now two years later, and I figured it might be time to try it
123: > > Electro Harmonix 16 Second Delay (new or reissue)
128: > > TC Electronic 2290 Delay
131: > > TC Electronic D-Two Delay

200511/msg00588:Re: AW: New here and looking for a looping device

22: pedals that do modulated delay are the 20/20 and the 2700. The other
33: > The DD20 seems to be a fine tool, plus it offers several delay
42: > of the other ones offers the other two options. Plus, the DL4 has also
43: > some interesting delay algorithms (albeit with a short delay time

200511/msg00529:RE: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey

43: > It's now two years later, and I figured it might be time to try it
115: > Electro Harmonix 16 Second Delay (new or reissue)
120: > TC Electronic 2290 Delay
123: > TC Electronic D-Two Delay

200511/msg00542:Re: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey

56: >>It's now two years later, and I figured it might be time to try it
132: >>Electro Harmonix 16 Second Delay (new or reissue)
137: >>TC Electronic 2290 Delay
140: >>TC Electronic D-Two Delay

200511/msg00546:yes, DFX Re: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey

80: > >>> It's now two years later, and I figured it might be time to try
157: > >>> Electro Harmonix 16 Second Delay (new or reissue)
162: > >>> TC Electronic 2290 Delay
165: > >>> TC Electronic D-Two Delay

200511/msg00541:RE: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey

40: > It's now two years later, and I figured it might be time to try it
112: > Electro Harmonix 16 Second Delay (new or reissue)
117: > TC Electronic 2290 Delay
120: > TC Electronic D-Two Delay

200511/msg00587:AW: New here and looking for a looping device

23: The DD20 seems to be a fine tool, plus it offers several delay
29: of the other ones offers the other two options. Plus, the DL4 has also
30: some interesting delay algorithms (albeit with a short delay time of ~3s
31: or half of it for the reverse delay). The Akai Headrush would also be in

200511/msg00545:Re: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey

74: > >>It's now two years later, and I figured it might be time to try it
157: > >>Electro Harmonix 16 Second Delay (new or reissue)
162: > >>TC Electronic 2290 Delay
165: > >>TC Electronic D-Two Delay

200511/msg00534:RE: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey

19: I have recently discovered some new tricks for the hold delay function on
20: the Vox Tonelab floorboard. Because this is truly a hold delay, and not a
25: the hold delay, there by allowing me to keep a simple loop going if I want,
34: ambient pads. it is also cool for rhythmic stuff if you keep the delay time

200511/msg00516:It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey

28: It's now two years later, and I figured it might be time to try it
99: Electro Harmonix 16 Second Delay (new or reissue)
104: TC Electronic 2290 Delay
107: TC Electronic D-Two Delay

200511/msg00538:Re: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey

53: >>>It's now two years later, and I figured it might be time to try it
125: >>>Electro Harmonix 16 Second Delay (new or reissue)
130: >>>TC Electronic 2290 Delay
133: >>>TC Electronic D-Two Delay

200511/msg00537:Re: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey

23: he would swell in a chord w/ a volped and that goes to a long delay(which
26: dont know if what he is doing is really looping 'cause its in 'delay'
32: > I have recently discovered some new tricks for the hold delay function on
33: > the Vox Tonelab floorboard. Because this is truly a hold delay...

200511/msg00558:Boomerang didn't come back, just kept flying Re: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey

42: > Boss Digital Delay pedal, and a volume pedal (going in reverse order
62: > > he would swell in a chord w/ a volped and that goes to a long delay
66: > > dont know if what he is doing is really looping 'cause its in 'delay'
72: > >> I have recently discovered some new tricks for the hold delay

200511/msg00544:Re: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey

63: >>> It's now two years later, and I figured it might be time to try
140: >>> Electro Harmonix 16 Second Delay (new or reissue)
145: >>> TC Electronic 2290 Delay
148: >>> TC Electronic D-Two Delay

200511/msg00548:Re: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey

25: Boss Digital Delay pedal, and a volume pedal (going in reverse order
45: > he would swell in a chord w/ a volped and that goes to a long delay
49: > dont know if what he is doing is really looping 'cause its in 'delay'
55: >> I have recently discovered some new tricks for the hold delay

200511/msg00589:Re: AW: New here and looking for a looping device

25: no feedback control, while the DD20 offers this in the delay mode. I
30: For modulation duties, I got a TC Electronic G-Major few days ago, so I
31: can apply pitchshifting and other effects to the loops. The D-Two is a
33: need a delay that can add modulation.

200601/msg01239:D-Two Delay

3: D-Two Delay
10: Subject: D-Two Delay
25: (instantly muting the delay). The dry signal is passed as set with the mix

200601/msg00459:Re: AW: LWL (looping with laptops) - multi-FX VST andcompressor/limiter VST

82: it's not so applicable to pre-delay tracks when
88: milliseconds of delay would "smear" the signal
97: be used without a problem. Anything delay-based
99: of admission alone, then the Chorus Delay and the

200601/msg01237:D-Two Delay

3: D-Two Delay
10: Subject: D-Two Delay
19: Has anyone here used the TC Electronic D-Two delay in a live situation? It

200601/msg01266:RE: D-Two Delay

3: RE: D-Two Delay
10: Subject: RE: D-Two Delay
19: If I recall correctly, I believe you can have it set to let the delay trail

200601/msg01240:RE: D-Two Delay

3: RE: D-Two Delay
10: Subject: RE: D-Two Delay
25: >Subject: D-Two Delay Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:35:27 +0100

200603/msg00864:Re: FCB 1010-Tc2290-and-Repeater

22: > I have just bought FCB1010 midi-pedalboard, the Repeater, and a TC
23: > 2290 delay. All this gear and midi are new to me. I hope to use the
24: > FCB to controll the Repeater and the TC.
30: > the repeater and the TC. I have read that this is possible on the

200604/msg00319:Re: Favorite VST Instruments?

32: However, the effects I us in my box, a TC FireworX, are just the
45: - Pitch (harmonizer, dual or mono. Quadra achieved by linking two
50: - Delay (many kinds - stereo, multi tap, often tempo synced)

200604/msg00139:RE: Guitar Preamps

26: also has an insert for each of its two channels, Currently I run and EDP
28: a TC electronics Model one for verb and delay with my Solstice as my
29: acoustic gig rig, with one or two mackie SRM350's. This rig is highly

200604/author:(No subject)

229: Re: Two new DVD-R's from Doctor T., April 24, 2006
267: Re: best way to split your guitar signal into two EDPs?, April 10, 2006
268: Re: best way to split your guitar signal into two EDPs?, April 13, 2006
347: Re: best way to split your guitar signal into two EDPs?, April 10, 2006

200606/msg00760:RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp

126: > for delay, chorus, and
140: > or TC Electronics
144: > > I'm actually considering selling my two Boss VF-1
175: > >> But a really good processor (or two) with some

200606/msg00631:Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp

28: My lexicon LXP1 and LXP5. The LXP1 is primarily for delay, chorus, and
37: interesting sounds out of it. It's not an Eventide or TC Electronics
40: I'm actually considering selling my two Boss VF-1 units as well.....need
65: > But a really good processor (or two) with some new

200606/msg00823:Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81

19: I'd like to get your thoughts on the Eventide Eclipse, TC Electronic
20: Fireworx, TC Electrronics G-Force, and Lexicon PCM81. If I had to invest
25: of effects, more than the other two from what I can tell, but I'd like to
28: I'm looking for a unit, preferrable, that has all the standard delay,

200606/msg00794:RE: Dumb question again

25: to my musical schizophrenia. I used two Line 6 modellers for that bit of
41: store I work at part time in Santa Cruz has two available, and are selling for
56: but... I can buy an old LExicon JamMan on ebay. There's two that don't
79: the parts, it LOOKS like you've been playing the guitar for a month or two.

200606/msg00829:Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81

35: > I'd like to get your thoughts on the Eventide Eclipse, TC Electronic
36: > Fireworx, TC Electrronics G-Force, and Lexicon PCM81. If I had to invest
41: > of effects, more than the other two from what I can tell, but I'd like to
44: > I'm looking for a unit, preferrable, that has all the standard delay,

200606/msg00832:Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81

18: I’ve owned all of these. Each offers unique pleasures, to be sure, but the serious contenders for max mangling are only the Eventide and the FireworX, and I'd go for the Eventide without hesitating.My takes on each:PCM-81...a big disappointment as a mangler, even with all the add-on preset cards; opaque (but admittedly deep) interface, and really not a multi-effector; it’s a multi-delay--get the PSP software version and forget this one.G-Force...routing and modulation heaven with a great interface, always have 8 types of effect available in any possible order/config, but effects quite conventional; pitch-shifting nowhere near as cool as the Eventide. With clever, patient programming, it can do some wild morphing stuff because of the deep mod options and many simultaneous fx, not because of having unusual effects.FireworX...should have been a G-Force on steroids, since it’s packed with odd effects for sonic mayhem, but it's seriously crippled by low horsepower; even tho its got lots of modules to pick from, it’s impossible to load more than 2 or 3 without maxing the thing out. Same mod power and great interface as the G-F, but what's the point of infinite routing options if you've only got 2-3 effects going?? I sold my G-Force to get one and regretted it immediately. I hated pretty much all the presets and never found anything in it I loved exploring. I'm sure it would repay deep, committed investigation because of the weird effects available, esp. in concert with other devices. Too bad neither tc device will send its ultra mod power to external devices via MIDI control...The Eclipse will only disappoint if you’re expecting or used to the kind of endless programmability you’d get with a tc, or DSP-Eventide; it’s a two slot device with fixed algorithms, but these are rich and complex, covering all the basics in deluxe style, and filtered multi-delays exceptionally well...plus it’s got that multi-pitch-shifting thing that nothing else can quite duplicate. It sounds so magnificent you’d never regret having one, unless it only makes you yearn for an H8000. You’ve already got really cool ring-mod-ing and some rudimentary "synth-fx" with your VF-1s; actually, it seems that low-end hardware is where you’re most likely to find the richest collection of unique-if-cheesy fx, all of which would benefit enormously from an Eventide fairy-dusting down-stream. You already know my opinion of Reaktor as the weirdest and most endlessly re-thinkable multi-fx to beat, right? Too bad that's not working yet with the Receptor.....Have fun!dcOn Jun 24, 2006, at 8:07 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:I'd like to get your thoughts on the Eventide Eclipse, TC Electronic Fireworx, TC Electrronics G-Force, and Lexicon PCM81.

200606/msg00748:RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp

100: > for delay, chorus, and
114: > or TC Electronics
118: > > I'm actually considering selling my two Boss VF-1
149: > >> But a really good processor (or two) with some

200606/msg00780:Dumb question again

22: I can buy an old LExicon JamMan on ebay. There's two that don't appear to have the upgrades.
34: I appreciate found music and mistakes. And I recorded Miles Davis once (with Jim Smith)... so I am deep into the glory of accidents with music. I love Eric Dolphy and Blind Willie Johnson, Charles Ives and Charlie Parker, Robert Johnson and Robert Dylan - it's a very long list. Actually, I try to not judge other's music really. It's not my business. I was just impressed with how INCREDIBLY simple my daughter wanted the guitar to be. Simple is very good. In some ways simple is much harder than complex. It's just, once you figure out the parts, it LOOKS like you've been playing the guitar for a month or two. But that's just ego and ego... well...
165: for delay, chorus, and
179: or TC Electronics

200606/msg00730:RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp

20: boogie just for my> monday night traditional jazz gig. I'm thinking of gettting a Roland Cube> 30> because it is only 20 pounds and smaller, plus it has a lot of> effects...anybody have one?>> My lexicon LXP1 and LXP5. The LXP1 is primarily for delay, chorus, and> reverb. I had been using it for reverb...it really does have nice verb,> and> the chorus is lush as well. The LXP5 is more like a a multi-effects box.> It> is a bit challenging to program, however. If someone has the patience to> get> inside the menu tree, or uses the MIDIQuest software, then you can get> some> interesting sounds out of it. It's not an Eventide or TC Electronics> Fireworx by any means, but still a powerful little effects box.>> I'm actually considering selling my two Boss VF-1 units as well.....need> to> give that more thought, however, as I'm in love with
21: those little red> boxes.> :)>> Kris>>>>> ----- Original Message -----> From: "tEd ® kiLLiAn" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:19 PM> Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp>>>> Kris,>>>> 'Tis a beaut indeed. But a tad rich for my meager means.>> I am mildly interested in your Lexicon half-space processors>> you mentioned on the list the other day however.>>>> Given I'm a Mac guy, the software isn't a factor for me.>> But a really good processor (or two) with some new>> creative potential sounds attractive.>>>> Anything more you care to say about them?>>>> Ted>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2006, at 8:46 PM, Krispen Hartung

200606/msg00843:Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81

55: multi-effector; it’s a multi-delay--get the PSP software version and
74: Too bad neither tc device will send its ultra mod power to external devices
78: of endless programmability you’d get with a tc, or DSP-Eventide; it’s a two
108: Eclipse, TC Electronic Fireworx, TC Electrronics G-Force, and Lexicon

200606/msg00846:Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81

76: >> I'd like to get your thoughts on the Eventide Eclipse, TC Electronic
77: >> Fireworx, TC Electrronics G-Force, and Lexicon PCM81. If I had to
82: >> types of effects, more than the other two from what I can tell, but I'd
85: >> I'm looking for a unit, preferrable, that has all the standard delay,

200606/msg00837:Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81

37: > a multi-effector; it’s a multi-delay--get the PSP
74: > devices. Too bad neither tc device will send its
80: > kind of endless programmability you’d get with a tc,
82: > it’s a two slot device with fixed algorithms, but

200606/msg00761:Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp

155: >> for delay, chorus, and
169: >> or TC Electronics
173: >> > I'm actually considering selling my two Boss VF-1
204: >> >> But a really good processor (or two) with some

200606/msg00704:Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp

61: > My lexicon LXP1 and LXP5. The LXP1 is primarily for delay, chorus, and
71: > interesting sounds out of it. It's not an Eventide or TC Electronics
74: > I'm actually considering selling my two Boss VF-1 units as well.....need
99: >> But a really good processor (or two) with some new

200606/msg00841:Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81

49: > I'd like to get your thoughts on the Eventide Eclipse, TC Electronic
50: > Fireworx, TC Electrronics G-Force, and Lexicon PCM81. If I had to
53: > a lot of different types of effects, more than the other two from what
56: > I'm looking for a unit, preferrable, that has all the standard delay,

200606/msg00706:RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp

70: > My lexicon LXP1 and LXP5. The LXP1 is primarily for delay, chorus, and
79: > interesting sounds out of it. It's not an Eventide or TC Electronics
82: > I'm actually considering selling my two Boss VF-1 units as well.....need
107: >> But a really good processor (or two) with some new

200606/msg00699:RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp

40: My lexicon LXP1 and LXP5. The LXP1 is primarily for delay, chorus, and
47: interesting sounds out of it. It's not an Eventide or TC Electronics
50: I'm actually considering selling my two Boss VF-1 units as well.....need to
74: > But a really good processor (or two) with some new

200607/msg00628:Re: Vedr. Re: reverb just on the delays

23: at 1:08 he brings up his two harmonizer channels . The left channel
44: The most useful method will require a small mixer. Patch the delay
46: aux which is pre-fader on the channel to which the delay is
48: This way you can regulate the 'wetness' of the delay independant

200607/msg00631:Vedr. Re: Vedr. Re: reverb just on the delays

18: Any knowledge on how Hassell does this Live, and what gear he uses ? RFCharles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net> skrev: "Open secret" starts with a very dry trumpet and at 1:08 he brings up his two harmonizer channels . The left channel tuned a minor third down (-3 semitones) and the right a fifth below (-7 semitones). At the end of his phrases we can hear a simply a long reverb set about 20dB below the trumpet level which creates that 'Hang" . There are no delays on this track. Marifaa Street, open secret ? Or any tune on M.Street.
19: type="cite"> RF Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net> skrev: If you could site a particular cut, I can tell you how to get theeffect nearly exactly.I suspect that you might be referring to "Malay" from Dream theory inMalaya (1981)The most useful method will require a small mixer. Patch the delayand the reverb into the mixer. Send a signal to the reverb from anaux which is pre-fader on the channel to which the delay is patched.This way you can regulate the 'wetness' of the delay independant ofthe delay level.>On some of Jon Hassells tunes, his trompetsound has a near and close>direct sound, and just a small amout of his sound (lets say 20%)>has a big reverb, I think. The part that has reverb, also has some>delay, I think. But there are no delay on the direct sound, I>think....>>I play
20: guitar, with the use of TC 2290 for delay, and a Alesis for>reverb. The Alesis is in the fx-chain of the Tc.>>Any Thoughts of how to get "closer" to the Hassells sound, in the>manner of getting reverb just on the delays ? Or any tips what so>ever ?>>Best regards of Rune F>>>www.runefagereng.com>Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no>Mob: 917 95 867--...http://www.zmix.net www.runefagereng.comMail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.noMob: 917 95 867 -- ...http://www.zmix.netwww.runefagereng.comMail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.noMob: 917 95 867

200607/msg00183:Re: tec electronics voice live

30: second harmonizer in the same unit. And I tried merging two sources
35: and delay blocks, but it sums into the signal chain after the harmony
37: "space" as the vocals, and the reverb/delay is of the same quality
38: you'd expect from TC Electronic. Excellent!

200607/msg00635:Re: Vedr. Re: Vedr. Re: reverb just on the delays

23: digital delay with the pitch change cards in it and someone had rigged
52: and at 1:08 he brings up his two harmonizer channels . The left
77: The most useful method will require a small mixer. Patch the delay
79: aux which is pre-fader on the channel to which the delay is

200608/msg00456:Re: EXPLAIN your 10th Anniversary Birthday 30 second tune

84: vocals, MadShifta, OhmBoyz Delay and Mobius? See my clip.
150: delay patch, then into a Vortex, then (using the mixer) back into the
270: through a Studio Projects tube mic pre, into a Yamaha four-track. Two
272: are clean, two are fuzz (Effector13 TBD). I did a lot of pitch-shifting

200608/msg00374:Re: latency discussions

28: two, three meters distance). The Fireworx is no recognizable latency
32: A final word on the TC Electronic FirewoX:
43: late, creating a kind of slap delay effect.

200611/msg00085:Re: Bidule (was: MAX/msp question)

30: my most beloved tc electronic fireworx patches in Bidule by chaining
37: division of the global tempo. A typical example is a ping-pong delay
40: these two "synced" postiion the delay length is changed continuously

200611/msg00040:Re: Bidule/EnergyTX/Audiomulch

18: Per,I'm a little curious as to your rational for using Bidule as your host and Max/MSP to create your own plug-ins. It seems to me that Max/MSP does everything you need, so why bother having to learn two programs? Is Bidule that much faster to create a transitional set-up? (Just playing devil's advocate!!)Matt --- King Never http://www.kingnever.com On Nov 2, 2006, at 9:38 AM, Per Boysen wrote:On 2 nov 2006, at 16.16, paul wrote: audio switcher 8< 8< 8< aha, that's the trick. Thanks a lot! This means Bidule is now blinking all green for me. Feels good to know that you're not wasting time when beginning to learn a new application. I can now feel comfortable with the decision to keep MAX/Msp as my "audio plug-in manufactory" until my available computing power makes it possible to replace my pre-loop hardware with all laptop processing. I had to add one more step to that tutorial and insert a program change filter on the line between my midi input and the audio switcher so that I could operate mobius without inadvertantly changing my vst chains. Nice! I too discovered the pc filter bidule yesterday late night when reading the manual in bed on a laptop. This is great news to med because it means I can keep my FCB1010 pedal with the same MIDI PC bindings as I use with the hardware set-up (tc fireworX). And I can take my time to replace the twenty fireworX sound patches with software multi plug-in setups (eventually also new MAX patches) Once I had this all laid out I've only had to tweek it a bit but I've been very happy with the results. I generally only have 3 or 4 effects in a chain, but some of them already have multiple effects running as in guitar rig or freeamp2 and those are quite cpu intensive. I found the chain with classic eq followed by freeamp is using about 29% while the chain running classic eq, psp vintage warmer, classic chorus, classic delay is running at about 12%of course mobius is running all the time after these effects as all my chains are routed into a mixer module and then through mobius before going back into my audio card output. I also put chains of effect plug-ins first then through Mobius and then the Mobius master through a freeverb. I would like to wrap it up with a stereo compressor (Sonalkis, for a more musical mix and to be able balance the mix dynamically from the level of my live input in relation to the Mobius stuff)) but I had to sacrifice that to save up CPU cycles. Instead I still use my external hardware RNC (REally Nice Comporessor) as the last unit before the PA.I'm also having great fun with the SiR convolusion reverb VST plug-in! (tip for you that don't know about SiR). I like to keep it in the beginning, pre loop, and play though it as a performance effect. I have bought amazing convulotion impulses from http://spiritcanyonaudio.com. That's a cheap way to find unusual effect sounds to play with.Greetings from SwedenPer Boysenwww.boysen.se (Swedish)www.looproom.com (international)http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast)http://www.myspace.com/looproom

200701/msg00373:RE: -How to rute signal (GR-30) guitar and guitarsynth-

65: the 13-pin cable at all. This will mean two (or more, depending on your
91: guitar-fuzz-wah-dist-delay-filter-then I split the
92: signal two ways-signal 1 goes to-reverb-looper
93: (repeater) - DI-PA and signal 2 goes to tc delay and

200701/msg00392:Re: -How to rute signal (GR-30) guitar and guitarsynth-

39: > guitar-fuzz-wah-dist-delay-filter-then I split the
40: > signal two ways-signal 1 goes to-reverb-looper
41: > (repeater) - DI-PA and signal 2 goes to tc delay and
42: > the onto two amps. My volumpedals works so I can

200701/msg00375:Re: -How to rute signal (GR-30) guitar and guitarsynth-

21: > guitar-fuzz-wah-dist-delay-filter-then I split the
22: > signal two ways-signal 1 goes to-reverb-looper
23: > (repeater) - DI-PA and signal 2 goes to tc delay and
24: > the onto two amps. My volumpedals works so I can play

200701/msg00370:-How to rute signal (GR-30) guitar and guitarsynth-

23: guitar-fuzz-wah-dist-delay-filter-then I split the
24: signal two ways-signal 1 goes to-reverb-looper
25: (repeater) - DI-PA and signal 2 goes to tc delay and
26: the onto two amps. My volumpedals works so I can play

200702/msg00047:Re: Acoustic Guitar effects quest

18: If you wanna save money, the Ensoniq DP4 does all this. I've seen them on Ebay for pretty cheap. Not selling mine right now. Haven't tried the pitch shift on guitar - no idea how it tracks. But I bet you could get one for a fraction of the TC Electronics G Force. I think I've seen them on EBay for a couple hundred US bucks. Cost me about 1200 US new! But I'm pretty sure it has all the features you want and I think it sounds good.
38: It's wonderful. Fat, thick, sweet,,, a wee pinch of nasty if desired. Great tube echo. About 1100 USD. You can get a used old Echoplex Tape Echo but they're like buying an old car. You'll need to spend some $$$ to make it reliable if your'e gigging with it. But tape echo sounds very sweet compared to digital. I've seen old Echoplexes on Ebay for between 200-800 (high number for the old tube models) dollars. Would cost about 250 (or more if trashed) to make reliable. I'm doing that to my old one now so I can have TWO tape echos! Oooh weee!!! The solid state old Echoplexes still sound better than digital echo in my lowly and very humble old school opinion. I used mine on my acoustic and it sounds great.
60: with tuer poly octave, boost, chorus, delay and reverb
77: TC electronics G-force

200702/msg00559:Re: show me yours and i'll show you mine...

22: > setup on the picture (above link) and replace Guitar Rig 2 with TC
32: > How do you sync the TC FireworX with other gear?
41: > Other question: what's the difference between the D-Two and
42: > FireworX regarding delay's?

200702/msg00556:Re: show me yours and i'll show you mine...

20: How do you sync the TC FireworX with other gear? Can it be used as a midi
22: difference between the D-Two and FireworX regarding delay's?
28: > setup on the picture (above link) and replace Guitar Rig 2 with TC

200702/author:(No subject)

32: digitech xdd delay, February 28, 2007
75: Re: New live sampling/looping/delay effect, February 24, 2007
84: Re: cheap two way switches, February 12, 2007
114: looping or delay?, February 14, 2007

200702/msg00557:Re: show me yours and i'll show you mine...

20: How do you sync the TC FireworX with other gear? Can it be used as a midi
21: clock master? Other question: what's the difference between the D-Two and
22: FireworX regarding delay's?
28: > setup on the picture (above link) and replace Guitar Rig 2 with TC

200702/msg00048:RE: Acoustic Guitar effects quest

66: it tracks. But I bet you could get one for a fraction of the TC Electronics G
112: reliable. I'm doing that to my old one now so I can have TWO tape echos! Oooh
142: with tuer poly octave, boost, chorus, delay and reverb
159: TC electronics G-force

200702/msg00727:Re: Immersive sound

33: > Maybe a rear channel with a little delay added (reminiscent of the old
41: describing, a rear channel with a little delay added, is indeed very
48: idea was that the venue should provide at minimum two stereo PA
54: behind. He was using an EDP, two repeaters and a TC Electronics

200704/author:(No subject)

90: RE: TC Electronic ND-1 Nova Delay, April 02, 2007
99: Listen To The AM/FM Show In Less Than Two Hours From Now, April 21, 2007
255: Re: TC Electronic ND-1 Nova Delay, April 02, 2007
297: Re: Seeking: reverb/delay pedal w/ MIDI clock sync, April 13, 2007

200704/msg00603:Eventide - Prezens - Torn

25: cool delay networks
30: RS-443, MIDI-IN with 7-pin connector, two exp pedals)
41: huge algorithms, but only two of them at any given time
49: TC

200704/msg00604:RE: Eventide - Prezens - Torn

30: > cool delay networks
36: > RS-443, MIDI-IN with 7-pin connector, two exp
51: > huge algorithms, but only two of them at any given
61: > computer with 2GB of RAM, TC

200706/msg00002:Re: POST YOUR SETUP

64: The two Looping Racks can be used either individually, or as a single
80: TC Helicon Voiceworks Pitch/Harmony Shifter
114: Eowave Space Bug Delay

200708/msg00581:Re: Repeat something exactly twice, then stop

19: TC D-Two can do this nicely.
24: > I want to be able to play something and have it repeated after a delay of
25: > about 15 seconds, then have it repeated again after a second delay of the
26: > same length, then not have it repeated further. I want this delay to be

200708/msg00583:Re: Repeat something exactly twice, then stop

19: This is one of my top two requests for a future EDP software update.
21: What you need is a long tapped delay (one that provides separate delay
23: (the tc electronic boxes come to mind), but I believe they all max out
24: at around 5.5 seconds of delay time.

200708/msg00657:Re: Repeat something exactly twice, then stop

28: one of my top two requests for a future EDP software update.What you
29: need is a long tapped delay (one that provides separate delaytime and
30: feedback level for each repeat). There's several out there(the tc
32: 5.5 seconds of delay time.TH

200708/msg00671:Re: Repeat something exactly twice, then stop

24: one of my top two requests for a future EDP software update.What you
25: need is a long tapped delay (one that provides separate delaytime and
26: feedback level for each repeat). There's several out there(the tc
28: 5.5 seconds of delay time.TH

200708/msg01075:Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim

114: not available yet, VHT has a really cool two rack space model that is going
119: makes the wonderful Trio, but that’s also two racks and has no cabinet
125: What that guy can do with his hands, an amp and a bit of delay and reverb is
188: the Formulate in combination with their 20/20 power amp, and two 1X12 Mesa

200708/msg00958:Re: Looping and Latency (was Re: Laptop Looping)

32: No. A while back, when I used a TC Electronix Fireworx as the first
34: soundcard (going digitally from TC Electronix into sound card/
35: computer, so the AD latency happened in the TC). It worked out fine.
41: However, now I have been forced to sell off that TC device and I now

200711/msg00521:Re: TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay?

3: Re: TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay?
10: Subject: Re: TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay?

200711/msg00495:AW: TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay?

3: AW: TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay?
10: Subject: AW: TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay?
20: D-Two via SPDIF in the Fireworx's insert (having feedback set to 0) and

200711/msg00655:Re: Looking for a pitch shifter pedal

22: >use chorus and delay on my flute and want to get different
35: Two thoughts, Ian:
46: Next, at the other extreme, I use one of the TC Helicon Voiceworks

200711/msg00552:Re: TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay?

3: Re: TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay?
10: Subject: Re: TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay?

200711/msg00497:Re: TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay?

3: Re: TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay?
10: Subject: Re: TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay?
22: > Thanks Per. The D-Two has a Chorus algorithms to create chorus and

200711/msg00873:Help finding other musicians

19: a unique kind of effect Not a food pedal but the TC Electronic D-TWO (rack mounted dedicated delay)has a chorus that can be applied to only the delay signal.Glenn-----Original Message-----From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com]Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:26 AMTo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.comSubject: Re: Help - looking for a unique kind of effectAre you looking for something that registers as actual pitch bending(significant bending), or just modulated delay repeats a la the MemoryMan Deluxe?On Nov 27, 2007 2:15 AM, <rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:> > Hi - perhaps you guys can help
20: me?? I'm looking for a delay footpedal that> > can also bend pitch at the same time. That is, as the slaps happen, their> > picti is being altered up and down a little... as would happen with a> > chorus. I need at least 500ms of delay.

200711/msg00506:Re:TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay?

3: Re:TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay?
10: Subject: Re:TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay?
21: I mean with the DD-20 "analog" delay. BTw: I do have a DD-20 but I'm

200711/msg00657:Re: Looking for a pitch shifter pedal

36: >>chorus and delay on my flute and want to get different possibilities of
50: > Two thoughts, Ian:
64: > Next, at the other extreme, I use one of the TC Helicon Voiceworks units

200711/msg00507:Re: TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay?

3: Re: TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay?
10: Subject: Re: TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay?

200711/msg00550:Re: TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay?

3: Re: TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay?
10: Subject: Re: TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay?
32: mix, especially when playing a live band. Regarding the analog delay

200711/author:(No subject)

282: RE: two amp setups, November 10, 2007
413: for sale DD-20 Giga Delay twin pedal, November 10, 2007
415: for sale BOSS DD-20 Giga Delay Twin Pedal, November 10, 2007
433: Re: Re:TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay?, November 13, 2007

200711/msg00872:Help finding other musicians

19: a unique kind of effect Not a food pedal but the TC Electronic D-TWO (rack mounted dedicated delay)has a chorus that can be applied to only the delay signal.Glenn-----Original Message-----From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com]Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:26 AMTo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.comSubject: Re: Help - looking for a unique kind of effectAre you looking for something that registers as actual pitch bending(significant bending), or just modulated delay repeats a la the MemoryMan Deluxe?On Nov 27, 2007 2:15 AM, <rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:> > Hi - perhaps you guys can help
20: me?? I'm looking for a delay footpedal that> > can also bend pitch at the same time. That is, as the slaps happen, their> > picti is being altered up and down a little... as would happen with a> > chorus. I need at least 500ms of delay.

200711/msg00513:Re: Re:TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay?

3: Re: Re:TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay?
10: Subject: Re: Re:TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay?
21: more and a longer looper with a MIDI syncable delay within it. I use mine

200711/msg00878:Re: Help finding other musicians

68: effectNot a food pedal but the TC Electronic D-TWO (rack mounted
69: dedicated delay)has a chorus that can be applied to only the delay
78: or just modulated delay repeats a la the MemoryMan Deluxe?On Nov
81: Hi - perhaps you guys can help me?? I'm looking for a delay footpedal

200711/msg00486:Re: TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay?

3: Re: TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay?
10: Subject: Re: TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay?
21: > I'm trying to create an analog sounding delay patch. I'm missing

200711/msg00881:Re: Help finding other musicians

65: effectNot a food pedal but the TC Electronic D-TWO (rack mounted
66: dedicated delay)has a chorus that can be applied to only the delay
75: just modulated delay repeats a la the MemoryMan Deluxe?On Nov 27,
78: - perhaps you guys can help me?? I'm looking for a delay footpedal

200711/msg00493:Re: TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay?

3: Re: TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay?
10: Subject: Re: TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay?
29: Thanks Per. The D-Two has a Chorus algorithms to create chorus and

200711/msg00510:Re:TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay?

3: Re:TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay?
10: Subject: Re:TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay?
25: old delay and echo emulations like the DL4 and what i

200711/msg00483:TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay?

3: TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay?
10: Subject: TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay?
19: I'm trying to create an analog sounding delay patch. I'm missing the

200711/msg00859:RE: Help - looking for a unique kind of effect

19: Not a food pedal but the TC Electronic D-TWO (rack mounted dedicated delay)
20: has a chorus that can be applied to only the delay signal.
31: (significant bending), or just modulated delay repeats a la the Memory
35: > > Hi - perhaps you guys can help me?? I'm looking for a delay footpedal

200711/msg00876:Re: Help finding other musicians

44: effectNot a food pedal but the TC Electronic D-TWO (rack mounted
45: dedicated delay)has a chorus that can be applied to only the delay
54: just modulated delay repeats a la the MemoryMan Deluxe?On Nov 27,
57: - perhaps you guys can help me?? I'm looking for a delay footpedal

200711/msg00551:Re:TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay?

3: Re:TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay?
10: Subject: Re:TC Electronic D-two: how to emulate an analog delay?
31: looking for delay's with filter and modulation parameters to create

200712/msg00456:RE: TC Electronics G Sharp, and LESSISMORE

3: RE: TC Electronics G Sharp, and LESSISMORE
10: Subject: RE: TC Electronics G Sharp, and LESSISMORE
90: Subject: TC Electronics G Sharp,

200712/msg00845:Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPERS

19: I have both a DL-4 and a Delay Pro and I essentially don't use them.
22: delay models. The Delay Pro would probably be in my main rack taking
76: Mixer feeds to two EDPs. One used for the base loop and sending clock
81: then went through a TC M300 reverb unit (with a digital feed to the

200712/msg00448:Re: TC Electronics G Sharp, and LESSISMORE

3: Re: TC Electronics G Sharp, and LESSISMORE
10: Subject: Re: TC Electronics G Sharp, and LESSISMORE
62: > tap tempo delay

200712/msg00446:TC Electronics G Sharp, and LESSISMORE

3: TC Electronics G Sharp, and LESSISMORE
10: Subject: TC Electronics G Sharp, and LESSISMORE
34: couple of flavors of overdrive, sparing use of compression, tap tempo delay (preferably

200801/msg00374:Live Looping signal side chain - the most simple looping setup

32: instead of blending two turntables it applies the rhythm of one track
46: opening Overdub in a looper or reducing Feedback in a looping delay
47: unit. I made lots of such patches in my TC Electronics Fireworks that

200804/msg00268:Re: Reverse Delays - how do they work?

29: If talking pure audio effect reversed delay I'm using that as well.
30: One particularly cool patch is one I made in the TC Fireworx I
39: use two such processes in parallel and with inverted quantize periods

200804/msg00267:Reverse Delays - how do they work?

23: DL4, the TC Electronics D2, the Boss DD20 and the EH SMM w/ Hazari).
29: In a normal delay, it's rather simple: taking feedback aside for one
31: and assuming an ideal delay (i.e. what goes in does come out sometime
39: This approach will not work if we want a reverse delay, because the things

200804/msg00278:Re: Reverse Delays - how do they work?

26: The regular reverse delay on the SMM( as you will have noticed) has some
28: of a trigger combined with the programmable delay length, but I didn't
36: Most obvious implementation would be a kind of ducking delay, which waits
49: > DL4, the TC Electronics D2, the Boss DD20 and the EH SMM w/ Hazari).

200901/msg01101:Re: Frustrated RC-50 user trying to gain bearings with Ableton Live

39: loops and delay fx and whatnot in Ableton. My RC-50 was always the
72: I'm not sure how much it matters for this, but I have two setups; 1)
75: my bigger setup is all of the above plus a Roland VG-99, TC VoiceLive,
78: I want to be able to do 'one man shows' where I use one or two pages

200904/msg00194:Rainer's Rig

21: yes, it's still that FireworX you discovered, next to the other two TC
37: FireworX was one of the few devices which could sync a delay to it

200905/msg00851:Re: thinking about moving from rack to laptop...advice please!

24: > tc g-force
28: > tc d2 delay
71: running my two loopers.
77: the computer for some help. I control all of the above with two

200905/msg00891:Re: thinking about moving from rack to laptop...advice please!

23: I replaced my two edps and my switchblade, that was the heart of my
31: my main precessing boxes ( Eventide H8000, TC fireworx and Boss VF1).
42: through an accelerator vst engine ( like tc powercore or else).
44: plugins bu the native ones ( Tc, Uad etc.).

200906/msg00250:Re: blech (pedal choices

51: >all loopers and fx they would drift apart. No two clocks are the same.
66: >I never use it in looper mode. I use it in delay mode. Up to 23 sec of
67: >stereo delay is a great looper for me. There is a way to double that time
71: I use my SMMH and TC Nova Delay (in stereo) for most of my delay needs,

201001/msg00074:Re: hardware to software

18: Actually no, I have no motivation to go the lap top route, at this time. I've seen to many loopfest participants scramble to cobble together hardware because their computer rig died on them. no matter what folks said about the ratio of hardware to software failure, unless I were to buy duplicate lap tops which is not in my budget right now. I'm simply pairing down my hardware options. I realized that I have more than enough choices with the LP-1, and a good DSP and a good preamp. I'm using a TC fireworx which has plenty enough effects options to keep me happy and an ethos preamp which is replacing my heavier Boogie formula preamp. That and my midi controller a few expression pedals, and I'm ready for action. The idea of creating scripts is interesting to me, and at the same time because so much of what I do is in the moment and improvisational. I'm not sure I want to spend many hours creating recording scripts if I'm not sure the music is going to unfold in the way i scripted it. I'm sure I'll get over this bias eventually, and if I was scripting for songs that had definite arrangements it would make sense for me. I to am pairing down for travel but it will be a while before the lap top is part of my rig. What are your issues with the LP-1 as far as quantize is concerned. Are you talking about first loop quantizing? The way I have been using Quantize replace is to create a short blank loop and then start adding content one note at a time using quantize replace set to 1/16th. i have a preset that duplicates the quantize replace function so that the preset switch acts as a sus command, i only have to hit the preset once and it will open and close capturing the notes are chords I just played. I'm able to create percolating sequencer style parts that emerge from a non rhythmic beginning. I'm not sure if I'm articulating that right but I'll post some Youtube examples in the next few weeks. One thing I learned from my last trip to Europe was that pairing down gear gave me fewer options, and yet having fewer choices meant that I was forced to be more musical and less reliant on effects. It was really liberating even though I missed all of the options, to not be over thinking and over using the DSP. BillOn Jan 4, 2010, at 1:19 AM, Simeon Harris wrote:hi bill. it's the desire for a smaller, lighter, more powerful setup that's motivating the change. i can ditch 6 rack spaces (mixer, lp-1, lexicon mpx-1, tc-d2, repeater) about 30 cables and several kilos in weight. i'll have a 2u rack case with a tc g-force and eclipse in it, with the laptop on top. i'll probably get an apogee duet and two small powered monitors. a pedal case on the floor and one on a stand and i'll be rockin. just did some recording with my ambient band (Zillo) and the gear issue was a nightmare! i do have issues with the lp-1 (quantisation etc), but it's a great piece of kit and i'm happy to support bob in any way that i can. however - i'm looking forward to scripting with mobius, because i want to be able to do stuff with my loops, which i'm currently having to do (on a basic level) by sending midi notes to the lp-1 from my old drum machine (more cables, power supplies and hassle!). quantize replace is great - especially if you run the lp-1 through some sort of delay line which is tempo synced (via the lp-1 midi clock) - you can get some really interesting stuff going onso are you thinking of making the switch too (i've just seen dennis moser make a post on facebook about exactly the same thing!) simOn Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 1:44 AM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote: Hi Simeon i've been following your post and i was wondering if it was problems with the Looperlative or just the desire for smaller, lighter, more powerful, that is motivating your move to lap top? It occurred to me that you have been very active on the looperlative site, where I must say with a certain amount of guilt that I have not . I've spent countless hours as I'm sure you have finding new ways to control the Lp-1, but unlike you I haven't made the effort to post to the LP-1 forum. Lately I've been having a blast with quantize replace which, never having been an EDP user, is somewhat of a revelation for me. I'd be interested to know your thoughts if you have a free moment. Thanks Bill

201002/msg00461:Re: Accidental findings regarding Eventide Eclipse (and guess what?news on the varispeed front!)

24: It's interesting to compare those two, which were released about at the
43: I guess the best starting point is the factory preset #96 "TC Walrus
45: except for the delay, and then have a look at the "mod" section.

201002/msg00839:OT Pre-spring cleaning gear sale

33: Duncan twin tube classic with two power supplies and manual, an
34: excellent sounding versatile two channel real tube overdrive/
39: amazing sounding flexible multi effects that are a delay freak/ effect
55: TC Electronics G-minor with power supply small foot print midi foot

201002/author:(No subject)

110: Re: In search for a (cheap, but as long as possible) delay with varispeedpedal,, February 08, 2010
112: Re: In search for a (cheap, but as long as possible) delay with varispeedpedal - update, February 08, 2010
114: Re: Can two EDP's do this? How?, February 01, 2010
115: Re: Can two EDP's do this? How?, February 01, 2010

201002/msg00143:Re: OT Which Desert Island Stomp Box

18: Rainer sprach:"The value of your time (and this includes your spare time) increases as your earnings increase. If you're making $5 an hour, then a three-hour trip to the music store costs you $15. If you're making §400/hour to fill your fat wallet, then that same trip suddenly costs you $1200 (and if you're not earning money at all and plundering the welfare system, like the relative majority of people in Germany, then it costs you nothing, but you would most probably not go anyway because you're too lazy, but I digress).The solution for this? Hire somebody who has more expertise than you (so he might find those pedals in only 1.5h) and/or makes less money (so he will be happy if you pay him $50 per hour), try to explain to him what you're looking for, and suddenly you've saved yourself $1125. It's called "consulting".I would tend to agree with that point and I know just the guy.....ME!!!!:-) This is really wide open territory obviously and I would want more details, must they all be battery op? or will his desert island include a solar panel array or wind turbine? also by limiting his size of pedals he really is limiting himself from a whole world of great boxes with a bigger footprint from Eventide, line 6 , etc.. that said here goes..*DISTORTION/FUZZOVERDRIVE/FEEDBACK/SUSTAIN:*sounds like the Zendrive would be too tame, I'd suggest, if money is no object, the Tone Candy Red Hot which is more of a true distortion box, but if he want's a great overdrive the Tone Candy sweet drive is like the Zendrive with slightly better low end. Both are more easy to obtain than a Zendrive as they are available in stores like Union grove Music. Any of the Keeley modded boss pedals are worth checking out, I had a modded Blues driver which was good but I here the modded DS-1's are better and maybe more what he's after distortion-wise.*CHORUS*TC chorus flanger kill two birds with one stone , no battery option though, has its own power cable. Boss CE-2 *FLANGER*see above or MXR micro flanger*PHASER*mxr phase 90*COMPRESSOR*That would be the keeley but I'm also enamored of the pigtronix philosophers tone and the carl martin comp/limiter which has its own ac chord as well*DIGITAL DELAY*Boss DD-7 is hard to beat for features and compact size, can use an expression pedal to control parameters, has tap tempo, lots of delay time. and a nice analog sim. New digitech hardwire delay is also nice as is the TC nova delay*ANALOGUE DELAY*MXR carbon copy ,velly velly nice. Wage huge aqua pussy also nice but larger box shorter delay times*PITCH SHIFTER*Boss P-5 Intelli-shifter, about the only small intelligent pitch shifter going, the micro POG is great for parallel harmonies and non diatonic stuff.*TREMELOFulltone tremolo is very nice with a half/full speed switch. Boss trem is decent*WAH WAH* fulltone, buddah, RMC, The new Vox satriani is excellent , several from dunlop like the Bradshaw designed CAE wah and a gajillion artist models., too many to choose from, I'm a bit over wah wah myselfBill

201002/msg00874:AW: OT Pre-spring cleaning gear sale

46: > Duncan twin tube classic with two power supplies and
47: > manual, an excellent sounding versatile two channel
54: > that are a delay freak/ effect tweaker/ loopers wet dream. I
71: > TC Electronics G-minor with power supply small foot print

201003/msg00184:Re: Im bored of my TC Fireworx! HELP!

3: Re: Im bored of my TC Fireworx! HELP!
10: Subject: Re: Im bored of my TC Fireworx! HELP!
27: quarter note triplet up to a sixteenth note. This "delay time

201003/msg00197:Re: Im bored of my TC Fireworx! HELP!

3: Re: Im bored of my TC Fireworx! HELP!
10: Subject: Re: Im bored of my TC Fireworx! HELP!
23: factory preset Fireworlds, using a synced two tap delay set to 1/2

201003/msg00277:Re: Im bored of my TC Fireworx! HELP!

3: Re: Im bored of my TC Fireworx! HELP!
10: Subject: Re: Im bored of my TC Fireworx! HELP!
18: Mark sprach:Isnt that Fireworlds (of which Bill spoke) patch a bit EclipsishPer sprach:Yes, I definitely agree to that! I do remember that preset, aharmonizer set to a fourth or a fifth up with a feedback loop thatmakes sound climb upwards with each loop. I overdosed this in theeighties and that sound still gives me unpleasant flashbacks. Yuk.;-))Funny Per, I feel that way about most envelope followers and filters, though I've been getting in to formant filters as of late. I do occasionally use a triggered wah sound,though its eq'd really dark with very little opening of the filter. That funky wow wow sound reminds me of the 70's and 80's and not in a good way, in a bad haircut band with silly name kind of way, and I play in a funk band on a regular basis!!. I don't even own a wah pedal right now though I'm looking for one that has really wide sweep, doesn't add gain and distortion and responds more like a clean synth filter. I might have to break down and buy a moog filter with an expression port instead. I understand what you are saying though as both that string patch effect that the space station is famous for and the whammy effect have been done to death. However someone can always come along and do something fresh with these effects. I've modified this patch so much that it doesn't resemble the original Fireworlds patch much at all. actually I have three patches with variations, As i mentioned before I sync both the two pitch shifts and the tap delay (which has been edited from 6 taps to two taps simply by turning down they other taps), to the clock from my Looperlative. I like using 1/4 note against dotted 1/8 ths and 1/2 notes against dotted 1/4 notes depending on the length of my first loop which determines the tempo sent to the Fireworx. I like octaves, up an octave and down and octave at the same time, the best. And I turn the regeneration of the pitch shifts way down so I avoid that rising or lowering cascading pitch effect. I like fading the effect in with the expression pedal after I've hit a note or chord and use quantize replace to capture predetermined subdivisions of the loop. It allows me to create sequencer style percolating parts that because of the octave up and down pitch combination it sounds very close to an organ timbre. actually better to my ears and more fresh than any guitar synth organ patch I was ever able to use. I have at least 5 or 6 parameters being continuously controlled by the one ex pedal so in toe down position I have only the reverb on, at half way I bring in the delay and at toe down position the pitch effect comes in, the reverb mix increases slightly and both the delay's regeneration and the reverb's decay time increase subtley. This is a far cry from the effect of which you speak, more organic sounding than parallel 4ths and 5ths and more useable, though I do occasionally use those intervals but in poly rhythmic way with-ought any regeneration. It can really make one guitar sound like its doing the work of two or three if you lock in right. I also like using 9ths, or 5th up and 4th down bouncing from one interval to they other.Bill

201003/msg00185:Re: Im bored of my TC Fireworx! HELP!

3: Re: Im bored of my TC Fireworx! HELP!
10: Subject: Re: Im bored of my TC Fireworx! HELP!
20: Im a bit interested HOW you did this changing the delay timing thing Per.. but I guess its difficult to remember when you dont have it now?Just recently Ive been playing.. hard.. into the loopers with only distortion.. and all the airy fairyness of shimmering reverbs and bouncing stereo delays seems a bit well.. old person.. and I guess Im going thru that mid life thing... just UNloaded Eno form the iPhone and put the Pistols on...

201006/msg00131:Re: looping with a netbook

21: hey thanks, this is all very helpful. love the reggae music... great videomy macbook pro was stolen two weeks ago so I am still very frustrated... since now I see how much easier things were when I still had it...!actually I do want to still record midi and audio from the mic on live. i have songs with lots of midi tracks playing simultaneously. it doesnt seem possible.thanks, any more info is appreciated... looking into this stillbestnadia
37: On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 3:18 PM, TR <tomrollison@yahoo.com> wrote: > > I was running it on a Gateway with 2 gigs of Ram and a 1.8 Ghz dual core processor. Seems that this particular machine could either run virtual instruments OR record/playback but not both. > I should add that I was running mics in through an TC Electronic audio interface as > well as my guitar. My hope is to be able to do realtime remixing and dubbing and looping. > I honestly don't think there is a laptop (let alone a notebook) with the resources to pull this all off.
38: I have to agree to that. But only if you mean it in the sense of how you would do "looping, dubbing and remixing" by using the traditional tools like a mixing console, various audio sources for input and various external effect processors routed in effect send loops around the console. Some years ago I tried to achieve that "in the box" by MIDI clock syncing two laptops and piping audio between them digitally (SPDIF and optical ADAT). But it still wasn't enough processing power and I don't see any modern laptops that provide the power needed. So what to do then? The solution is to simplify your setup to bring down the burden of the CPU. This pretty much disqualifies Ableton Live because it is designed to meet the remix concept where all options are instantly accessible. But you can still use Live though, if you restrict the numbers of effects active within the session. Think about what exactly you need to do in your performance and set up Live only for that. You will have to sacrifice the freedom to be able to do whatever comes to mind with your audio, but since only you know what you are excluding from your performance it won't be an issue for the audience. One typical example of this minimize-CPU-load strategy is to use the same dub delay circuit for all channels and send audio there by channel send knobs. The simple Ping-Pong delay in Live is very CPU efficient and it can sound pretty cool if placed with "feedback = 0" in a effect Return Track loop that is using its effect send knob to send signal back into itself. After the Ping Pong you may put a limiter or compressor. That's it as for CPU taxing. The rest is usual control strategies like assigning some knobs or sticks to sweep the Ping-Pong's filter range and its tempo division. And you may add a button for its Freeze loop function. Another example of "low CPU cost" techniques in Ableton Live that may sound very advanced is to utilize MIDI Clips for control data targeting any plug-in parameter. Now, you may be thinking that it is not always possible to send MIDI directly to a track or a track's plug-in from a MIDI Track, but there is a workaround for that! Send MIDI through the computers operating system! If using OS X there is the built-in IAC Bus system and for Windows XP I remember I was using the third-party hack MIDI Yoke. Not sure how to go here if you are using Vista or W7, but regard this a lead and look into it!http://www.midiox.com/ Myself I have chosen a different solution; to not add effects to tracks. Instead I add effects PRE looping and create loops where different effect treatments are recorded with the source sound. This might seem to restrict your options, and it actually does in a technically theoretical way. But as I see it it increases my expressive options when performing. For example, a command to cut and mutilate a loop will not only change the source sound but all effects as well - and this does give more "listener experienced" power under your fingertips. Ableton Live is designed to offer many options in parallel and I stopped using Live and went with the free software Plogue Bidule (it has a price tag today, but still low for what you get) where I could build a system that lets me use an almost infinite number of effect processor chains for my source audio input. Later on the software Mainstage was launched by Apple and since I found it to be a replica of my Bidule setup replaced my old pc with one from Apple that could run both the Windows XP Bidule rig and a Mainstage rig according to the same functionality and performance strategies.

201006/msg00141:Re: looping with a netbook

43: On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 3:18 PM, TR <tomrollison@yahoo.com> wrote:>> I was running it on a Gateway with 2 gigs of Ram and a 1.8 Ghz dual core processor. Seems that this particular machine could either run virtual instruments OR record/playback but not both.> I should add that I was running mics in through an TC Electronic audio interface as> well as my guitar. My hope is to be able to do realtime remixing and dubbing and looping.> I honestly don't think there is a laptop (let alone a notebook) with the resources to pull this all off.I have to agree to that. But only if you mean it in the sense of howyou would do "looping, dubbing and remixing" by using the traditionaltools like a mixing console, various audio sources for
44: input andvarious external effect processors routed in effect send loops aroundthe console. Some years ago I tried to achieve that "in the box" byMIDI clock syncing two laptops and piping audio between them digitally(SPDIF and optical ADAT). But it still wasn't enough processing powerand I don't see any modern laptops that provide the power needed.So what to do then? The solution is to simplify your setup to bringdown the burden of the CPU. This pretty much disqualifies Ableton Livebecause it is designed to meet the remix concept where all options areinstantly accessible. But you can still use Live though, if yourestrict the numbers of effects active within the session. Think aboutwhat exactly you need to do in your performance and set up Live onlyfor that. You will have to sacrifice the freedom to be able to dowhatever comes to mind with your audio, but since only you know whatyou are excluding
45: from your performance it won't be an issue for theaudience.One typical example of this minimize-CPU-load strategy is to use thesame dub delay circuit for all channels and send audio there bychannel send knobs. The simple Ping-Pong delay in Live is very CPUefficient and it can sound pretty cool if placed with "feedback = 0"in a effect Return Track loop that is using its effect send knob tosend signal back into itself. After the Ping Pong you may put alimiter or compressor. That's it as for CPU taxing. The rest is usualcontrol strategies like assigning some knobs or sticks to sweep thePing-Pong's filter range and its tempo division. And you may add abutton for its Freeze loop function.Another example of "low CPU cost" techniques in Ableton Live that maysound very advanced is to utilize MIDI Clips for control datatargeting any plug-in parameter. Now, you may be thinking that it isnot

201009/msg00176:New youtube post

18: Hey y'all, I was working in the studio yesterday and recorded this acoustic lap steel improv. I had neglected to start rolling video until i had built a few tracks up, so rather than be the usual build from scratch it starts about two minutes in. The track also features both pre and post loop delay and delayed pitch shift tracks, notably the TC fireworx acting as the post looper effects with an expression pedal controlling effects mix and the same polyrhythmic delay setting on both the Fireworx and my pre loop delays from the M-9, both processors are synchronized to the LP-1's first loop. more details of what I used are in the tag line.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqZgh7NxNMQ Enjoy and feel free to subscribe to my Youtube site Thanks Bill

201009/msg00196:Re: New youtube post

37: usual build from scratch it starts about two minutes in. The track also
38: features both pre and post loop delay and delayed pitch shift tracks,
39: notably the TC fireworx acting as the post looper effects with an expression
40: pedal controlling effects mix and the same polyrhythmic delay

201009/msg00177:Re: New youtube post

24: Hey y'all, I was working in the studio yesterday and recorded this acoustic lap steel improv. I had neglected to start rolling video until i had built a few tracks up, so rather than be the usual build from scratch it starts about two minutes in. The track also features both pre and post loop delay and delayed pitch shift tracks, notably the TC fireworx acting as the post looper effects with an expression pedal controlling effects mix and the same polyrhythmic delay setting on both the Fireworx and my pre loop delays from the M-9, both processors are synchronized to the LP-1's first loop. more details of what I used are in the tag line.

201009/msg00208:Re: New youtube post

28: > from scratch it starts about two minutes in. The track also features
29: > both pre and post loop delay and delayed pitch shift tracks,
30: > notably the TC fireworx acting as the post looper effects with an
32: > delay setting on both the Fireworx and my pre loop delays from the

201011/msg00535:Guitar Stuff for sale (was Re: Compressor-Sustain Pedal Advice)

45: * TC
47: size="-1" color="#000000"> aka TC Sustainer... rare rare rare and
51: Harmonix 16 second delay
104: TC Sustain+ is near the bottom of the list:

201012/msg01127:RE: The EDP and the Looperlative and me

60: color:#1F497D'>I also use the Novation to control two TC M300’s in my
128: a paltry two weeks? What the fuck can one hope to possibly understand
129: about a machine this sophisticated in two weeks?????? perhaps enough to realize
197: basically just work with a long synchronized delay, but I'd like to be able to

201101/msg01016:Re: Introductin & naive questions

50: > didn't have that in the initial release) and anything that is a delay
52: > as a looper (so the Boss DD20 in delay mode can do it).
63: > a new loop and discard the old one. So I'm gonna split this in two parts
66: > Things that can do it: EDP (configurable), DD20 (in delay mode - well,

201101/msg01001:Re: Introductin & naive questions

29: that is a delay used as a looper (so the Boss DD20 in delay mode can do
40: two parts ("keep" and "replace"):
42: Things that can do it: EDP (configurable), DD20 (in delay mode - well,
48: Things that can do it: EDP, DD20 (in delay mode - well, sort of).

201102/msg00166:Re: Ping Pong delay on Fireworx

3: Re: Ping Pong delay on Fireworx
10: Subject: Re: Ping Pong delay on Fireworx
18: ahh sorry - i assumed the delay blocks were the same as in the tc g-force. On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 12:48 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:

201105/msg00460:Spring is here and so is the cleaning

26: feature on this unit would take the place of the volume swell+ delay
33: trusty keeley two knobber, which leads us to the next item.
46: a TC Electronic Nova reverb, this is one of the best pedal verbs on
48: gone back to using a rack mount TC G-sharp, or Fireworx ( yes i

201106/msg00619:Re: Sound vs function

18: It might take you a bit of fiddling to get the hang of it but once you do you will be VERY happy. You might not be at first because it's not plug and play. It's not real hard, just takes a bit to find the sweet spot for different instruments. But... that sweet spot is SO SWEET!There are a lot of options on it which can be daunting. But they're quite powerful. I think it's one guy in a garage. Similar to AnalogMan. For my money, Ethos is more usable than my fully tweaked sunface AnalogMan King Of Tone... and both were expensive. Both can impose long wait times. I would imagine one man (or very small) outfits like Rob and AnalogMan lose business due to the wait time. If you have a big gig or record coming up they will, when possible, move you to the front of the line.Happy motoring!Richard SalesSent from my IPadwww.glasswing.comOn Jun 19, 2011, at 11:53 AM, Phil Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:Email from custom tones this morning (thanks to WIlliam Walker's endoresment ;) ---"We will contact you when your Ethos is ready--the estimated ship date is May-July 2013."Heehee... Maybe it's one guy in a garage, but it's also epic mythmaking - love it :) The upside is that by July 2013 I should have nickels enough set aside to pay for it :)Phil :)On Jun 19, 2011, at 10:47 AM, William Walker wrote: Too bad I don't get a kick back from Custom Tones for all of the recommending of the Ethos pedal I do. Well thats not entirely true, he did do me a solid by getting me one quickly in time for the NAMM show two years ago. I believe its at least a year wait on those right now, maybe two. But i second Richards remarks, best $400 I ever spent, on a stomp box, as it really is a complete two channel preamp. Mark Hamburg brought up the point of there being no way to check from one effects block to the next if there is internal clipping on the M series stuff and I would venture to believe this is a common problem in most multi effects of this type, particularly if you are doing like Mark is doing ( and myself for that matter) which is running gain and distortion pedals at the front of your change. Add to that highly dynamic effects like filters and its easy to get clipping without seeing where it is coming from. I would imagine running a keyboard which has an even more powerful output signal than most guitars, would be even more susceptible to this kind of clipping. This may be a function of cheaper A/D converters but even my timefactor which I believe has superior headroom and A/D converters (at least it sounds that way to me) can start to self clip if you push the feedback to self oscillation. What I've noticed about the M-5 is because its only one effect at a time it seems less likely to self clip. I think many of us have gotten in to the effects Jambalaya mode of sound creation where we create our sounds out of increasingly complex combinations of effects. Nothing wrong with this for sure but its also really valid to strip back ones choices, from time to time and often times the leaner sounds work best, and provide contrast with the more complex combinations. My current loop rig goes like this, keeley compressor, ethos preamp, Line 6 M-5, Eventide time factor, Dtar preamp, Tc fireworx, or g sharp or nova reverb running in the Dtars insets and looperlative running in the Dtar's effects loop. I can either leave the rig in mono, or use both individual xlr outs from the Dtar and run the Looperlatives outputs separately to there own channel strips for a big stereo spread. This rig gives me flexibility for both acoustic and electric guitars, and to move from electric to acoustic is simply a matter of bypassing the ethos. Though I have a lot of choices usually its just some kind of delay a bit of verb, compression , and different flavors of clean and dirty. The M-5 is there for specialty effects and anything else beyond my basic food group needs, I have a lot of choices , but not so many as to be a distraction.Bill

201106/msg00615:Re: Sound vs function

21: two years ago. I believe its at least a year wait on those right now,
22: maybe two. But i second Richards remarks, best $400 I ever spent, on
23: a stomp box, as it really is a complete two channel preamp. Mark
45: ethos preamp, Line 6 M-5, Eventide time factor, Dtar preamp, Tc

201106/msg00512:OT : Gear sale

38: a TC electronic Nova Reverb, another casualty of my overcrowded
42: a TC electronic G sharp rack mount proccessor , two effects at a
43: time either some kind of modulation, or delay, and reverb, lots of

201106/msg00618:Re: Sound vs function

18: Email from custom tones this morning (thanks to WIlliam Walker's endoresment ;) ---"We will contact you when your Ethos is ready--the estimated ship date is May-July 2013."Heehee... Maybe it's one guy in a garage, but it's also epic mythmaking - love it :) The upside is that by July 2013 I should have nickels enough set aside to pay for it :)Phil :)On Jun 19, 2011, at 10:47 AM, William Walker wrote: Too bad I don't get a kick back from Custom Tones for all of the recommending of the Ethos pedal I do. Well thats not entirely true, he did do me a solid by getting me one quickly in time for the NAMM show two years ago. I believe its at least a year wait on those right now, maybe two. But i second Richards remarks, best $400 I ever spent, on a stomp box, as it really is a complete two channel preamp. Mark Hamburg brought up the point of there being no way to check from one effects block to the next if there is internal clipping on the M series stuff and I would venture to believe this is a common problem in most multi effects of this type, particularly if you are doing like Mark is doing ( and myself for that matter) which is running gain and distortion pedals at the front of your change. Add to that highly dynamic effects like filters and its easy to get clipping without seeing where it is coming from. I would imagine running a keyboard which has an even more powerful output signal than most guitars, would be even more susceptible to this kind of clipping. This may be a function of cheaper A/D converters but even my timefactor which I believe has superior headroom and A/D converters (at least it sounds that way to me) can start to self clip if you push the feedback to self oscillation. What I've noticed about the M-5 is because its only one effect at a time it seems less likely to self clip. I think many of us have gotten in to the effects Jambalaya mode of sound creation where we create our sounds out of increasingly complex combinations of effects. Nothing wrong with this for sure but its also really valid to strip back ones choices, from time to time and often times the leaner sounds work best, and provide contrast with the more complex combinations. My current loop rig goes like this, keeley compressor, ethos preamp, Line 6 M-5, Eventide time factor, Dtar preamp, Tc fireworx, or g sharp or nova reverb running in the Dtars insets and looperlative running in the Dtar's effects loop. I can either leave the rig in mono, or use both individual xlr outs from the Dtar and run the Looperlatives outputs separately to there own channel strips for a big stereo spread. This rig gives me flexibility for both acoustic and electric guitars, and to move from electric to acoustic is simply a matter of bypassing the ethos. Though I have a lot of choices usually its just some kind of delay a bit of verb, compression , and different flavors of clean and dirty. The M-5 is there for specialty effects and anything else beyond my basic food group needs, I have a lot of choices , but not so many as to be a distraction.Bill

201107/msg00374:Re: questions for loopers

37: Electric instruments, acoustic instruments, one microphone, two MIDI
47: LXP-5 multi effect unit, TC Electronics Fireworx multi effect unit,
131: 1) First stage may be a delay unit of freeze-reverb located before the
143: Chapman Stick as the physical audio source instrument I use two

201108/msg00364:TC Electronic Flashback

3: TC Electronic Flashback
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37: Just heard back from Gino. It's the TC Electronic Flashback. According

201108/msg00365:RE: TC Electronic Flashback

3: RE: TC Electronic Flashback
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55: Subject: TC Electronic Flashback

201108/msg00357:Re: Minimum Requirements (mysterious pedal named!)

36: Just heard back from Gino. It's the TC Electronic Flashback. According
37: to TC Electronics page, it might be only 6 seconds of looping, which
39: for years. (I currently use two of those to help me get drones out of
61: auxiliary loop/delay in a bigger rig is that there's an

201203/msg00390:Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out?

21: samplers"? Why can't a delay pedal have these features?
24: to a delay of all proper loopers, has reverse (although if I remember
28: Depending on the way a delay is built technically, doing reverse is more
30: Furthermore, most delay effects are not used as loopers, so reverse

201203/msg00392:Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out?

18: Some good stuff there Rainer! Yeah ok if the DL4 and other short delays can do the forward/reverse it should be easy enough to add that to a long delay. Of course this is done by a knob or ex ped to go from dry to 100% wet. Should be able to make a button to do this easy enough.
20: Basically they could do a lot more and would if there was a market for it. Sigh, being an old school delay type looping guy is tough :) So Stereo, at least two delay lines (sync or non sync), each about 30 sec minimum, reverse via ex ped/button with differing transitions, plenty of speed modifying options ala Scott Hanson plus regular harmonic transitions ala the first Boomerang, separate feedback control for each delay line operable even when it is not being overdubbed on (DD20 does this in a way), being able to feed one line into the other (or not), and some rhythmic stuff like slicing/multiply and all that other EDP style stuff that is possible, make it harmony capable like the Time Bender and hell let's make it upgradable via usb for further tweaking!
25: Why are all loopers that have a reverse/half speed capability "phrase samplers"? Why can't a delay pedal have these features?
27: This really depends on your definition of "phrase samplers". The EDP which, due to its concept of "primary feedback", is (to me) the closest to a delay of all proper loopers, has reverse (although if I remember correctly only got it in a later SW version?).

201204/msg00287:dl4 problem

20: While in the loop mode and the mode is turned off, it's recording. I can hear a churning and when I twist the delay time knob, the sound changes pitch. Done the factory reset on both and it still persists.
22: When I go into any of the delay modes, the churning stops when I turn the effect off and it resumes when I go back to the loop mode.
32: And, it's almost moot - I was trying the TC Electronics Flashback delay which has a loop function. There's no half- or double-speed function but has the sound-on-sound and it's a quarter of the width of a DL4 so seriously thinking about getting one (or two) of those to replace the DL4's. I have a TC Hall of Fame reverb and love it.

201205/author:(No subject)

53: Re: Recommendation for multi-fx with long delay, May 13, 2012
58: Recommendation for multi-fx with long delay, May 12, 2012
69: Re: Recommendation for multi-fx with long delay, May 12, 2012
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201206/msg00227:Re: Auto Swells

18: Talking about swells,one thing that bothers me about them is that cut off which happens randomly,i really prefer to use the guitar or volume pedal with a delay to achieve that effectby the way any interesting delay combinations with the M9 you d like to share?When using the auto-volume/delay I have learned to control the effects of accidentally having notes with full attack ring out loudly because I had not been careful to dampen my strings before initiating the next swell, thats a technique thing, the more reckless i am about it, the more likely that is going to happen, but i've also learned to use it in interesting ways, for example with a long slope of the auto volume/delay preset (where I usually like to set the effect), I can start to play a repeating figure that I start to accelerate as I start to play it harder and the end result is the line swells in but if you keep playing hard it stays at the peak of the volume threshold so you will hear all of the attack as you continue playing the lick, I will usually stop a lick like that abruptly with some delay trail, which allows me to get back to the original volume starting point. as far as delays on the M-9 pretty much the same combo of stuff i've been using for a while now, my basic bank has as the first two options the auto volume delay and the reverse, the second two options are dynamic delay and sweep delay, and the last two options are two different stereo delays as I'm fond of setting complimentary beat sub divisions, which is how i get the variety out of multiple delays they are all synced to the tap tempo or midi clocked to my LP-1. I also use a volume pedal but i rarely take it out of the studio and i use my volume controls on my electric guitars and lap steels as well, often in concert with the AVD effect. but the thing is if I'm triggering commands on a midi pedal and working _expression_ pedals for my effects as well i don't really have an extra leg for riding a volume pedal in the traditional way steel players do. Well my wife says i do but she is just being nice. On my normal gig rig where i do things like back up singer songwriters like in the band Dream Beach whose music is online, the principle songwriters have me play entire tunes using this effect which inhabits the same timbrel territory as a pedal steel guitar with out sounding necessarily country, its what has become for me an essential element in my sound.. Its why I'm hoping some one will come out with a true ADSR in a pedal, perhaps even with an _expression_ pedal port so you could continually vary the attack rate if desired, or act as a strait volume pedal if so desired. In my looping rig I have an M5 running to a tc flashback and in to a time factor, in that rig both the time factor and the M5 are receiving midi clock from the Looperlative, the TC is not but is what I will use it as a texture in first loop creation and for delays i don't need to be locked to midi clock. lately I've been particularly found of using the flashback for a full 6 seconds of backwards delay and doing quantized captures on the looperlative of those sounds.Bill

201209/author:(No subject)

58: Re: TC Electronic Flashback X 4, September 21, 2012
60: TC Electronic Flashback X 4 Delay And Looper, September 18, 2012
152: DL4 users jump ship? (was: TC Electronic Flashback X 4 Delay And Looper), September 18, 2012
158: Re: TC Electronic Flashback X 4, September 20, 2012

201209/msg00276:RE: TC Electronic Flashback X 4 Delay And Looper and Re: OT Variax

3: RE: TC Electronic Flashback X 4 Delay And Looper and Re: OT Variax
10: Subject: RE: TC Electronic Flashback X 4 Delay And Looper and Re: OT Variax
21: Well, I did not notice that the VE-20 has got just one loop.And if I perform in the streets I will very probably do it with a friend, so it would be nice to have two loops and also the imputs both for mic and instrument (like the rc-30).Mumble mumble.I will think about it.It is too soon. :)From: billwalker@baymoon.comTo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.comSubject: RE: TC Electronic Flashback X 4 Delay And Looper and Re: OT VariaxDate: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 21:29:19 -0700May I ask why? As a looper, I bet yes. But as a vocal effect processor, does not seem so. Well, as said, the VE has got lot of useless presets. Still, the doubler, the harmonies (yes, they will sound artificial, but you can change effect in each overdub, so, imagine a loop with some harmonies in one overdub, they will not sound so bad after all), strobo, robot, flanger, distorsion, radio, they are all very cool effects which in the street can make people listen... What make you opt more for the RC 30? hey Sergio, since I'm a guitarist, the effects that are built in to the RC-30 are more interesting to me so my opinion may not apply. Also it can run two loops at once, always a plus for composition. Much longer loop times and ability to store large numbers of loops, great for if you want to do some pre recorded sound collages or loops and have them available. I must say, I don't own either unit , but I have had ample opportunity to try out both products, and they both have their merits. for vocal products Boss is rare among companies that address street performer needs (batteries) I'd get both of them:-) Bill

201209/msg00272:RE: TC Electronic Flashback X 4 Delay And Looper and Re: OT Variax

3: RE: TC Electronic Flashback X 4 Delay And Looper and Re: OT Variax
10: Subject: RE: TC Electronic Flashback X 4 Delay And Looper and Re: OT Variax
18: May I ask why? As a looper, I bet yes. But as a vocal effect processor, does not seem so. Well, as said, the VE has got lot of useless presets. Still, the doubler, the harmonies (yes, they will sound artificial, but you can change effect in each overdub, so, imagine a loop with some harmonies in one overdub, they will not sound so bad after all), strobo, robot, flanger, distorsion, radio, they are all very cool effects which in the street can make people listen... What make you opt more for the RC 30? hey Sergio, since I'm a guitarist, the effects that are built in to the RC-30 are more interesting to me so my opinion may not apply. Also it can run two loops at once, always a plus for composition. Much longer loop times and ability to store large numbers of loops, great for if you want to do some pre recorded sound collages or loops and have them available. I must say, I don't own either unit , but I have had ample opportunity to try out both products, and they both have their merits. for vocal products Boss is rare among companies that address street performer needs (batteries) I'd get both of them:-) Bill

201209/msg00261:RE: TC Electronic Flashback X 4 Delay And Looper and Re: OT Variax

3: RE: TC Electronic Flashback X 4 Delay And Looper and Re: OT Variax
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18: Personally, as I am a singer (or sort of) I think I will go for a Boss VE-20 unless somebody here can suggest me another battery operated looper with input for Mic, and with effects (which I use a lot). I would have loved it to have also delay (just got echo), wahwah, eq or at least octave down/up, and some other cool effect instead of all those useless presets like rock, hard rock, pop, which sound all the same with a slightly different reverb. Especially considering that you cannot combine effects as far as I understood, so a stupid effect alone is really stupid. The Boss RC-30 would be better choice than the VE-20 for all the reasons you mentionedPedal Zombie Wars, given the DL4 was killed by its maker long ago ;-) Think again Per Boy still in production I believeOf course, there's also an EH metal muff on the pedalboard in that pic, so maybe he was at the EH factoryThat would be my guess other Ted!!!Yes it's brand new and that guy was the first to get his hand on it for video reviewing purposes, according to their FB page. really? so what makes that guy so special?anyone tried NST on a Variax? I just did, in a shop, and was intrigued - it would make my playing life easier, having to switch between tunings, sometimes quickly, and needing at least two guitars for that. Now, if it had midi and a sustainer ... I wonder if it can be done and if anyone has tried? I tried the first generation variax and I found it kind of artificial sounding, but thats just me and my dinosaur taste A cheap fix if you are trying to retune a guitar with a floating tremolo is this device which can lock your trem in place for quick retuning, they work well on strat style trems and floyd rose trems too. http://www.allparts.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=tremol-no&x=27&y=13Isn't one of the Moog guitars capable of midi, sustain and tuning selection?only sustain and midi option no tuningIf you like sustainers that much, there is the Sustainiac Model C floor unit that essentially makes it possible to have a Sustainer on any guitar you own (as long as it is electric and has a headstock for the clamp-on transducer). If i had the dough the thing Ted has is what I would buy. The Sustaniac ( que the flash dance video, there is Jennifer Beals pouring water on herself to the tune of, " She's a Sustaniac sustaniac on the floor...") I too am intrigued with this device and having seen Ted play using it a number of times I can attest that it is awesome sounding and very versatile without mucking up your basic sound also the ability to move it from one guitar to another more than makes up for the cable dangling from the headstock.Bill

201301/msg00054:Re: new tc electronic looper

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10: Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper
18: I have two that do have feedback control. The EH 2880 (stereo) and the looper in the Line 6 M9 (mono). My Boss DD 20 also has feedback in the stereo 23 sec delay but not the actual looper setting in it (which I don't use). This delay type looping is my fav but it doesn't have reverse/half speed like like the first two I mentioned.

201301/msg00049:Re: new tc electronic looper

3: Re: new tc electronic looper
10: Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper
19: Nice — and for anyone without a looper it's probably a good choice.I think about how I seem to be working these days and I think I could go for this if it offered the following: stereo and an ability to set the feedback (e.g., by holding down the button and turning the knob). If there feedback setting were "perfect" for me I might not even care about that. A little stereo looper pedal could sit at the end of my chain and cover just about everything I care about.Give me some sort of sync cable support — see EDP brother sync — and I'll buy two (though please do this with the same flexibility as the EDP where sync means that the loop lengths are coordinated not that the start and end points have to align).And then there is what may be the "fatal" flaw: it looks like record goes to play rather than overdub. (That could be acceptable if a long press at the end of record created an overdub overlap since mostly I'm worried about delay trails.)----I was an EDP man for quite a while. I tried the Repeater. I tried the Looperlative. But the EDP was fluid. I would probably still be using the EDP were it not for not wanting to carry around a rack and missing stereo support which meant that I needed not just a rack but a rack and a mixer or I needed to throw a MIDI foot controller into the process with two EDPs.The features I most miss from the EDP:* Multiply* The ability to copy one loop into another, modify the second, and then come back to the first* Freedom to start and stop more operations at arbitrary times while still preserving synchronizationMy first CD was recorded with a single EDP.Shortly after that I went the multiple EDP route with it settling into more or less a set up where one would mostly be about recording a "pulse" to underly the piece and the other would often be used as a long, synchronized delay line — often at 0% feedback. I used to want a way to evolve away from the pulse and then back to the pulse, but that almost always seems to get complicated. Since then I've looked for ways to do this without the need for a rack and mixers.I played Y2KX using just the looper in the Line6 M13. I have to say that Line6 did manage to nail the core looping feature set quite well with lack of stereo being the chief failing. (And lack of MIDI/tempo sync given that the units have so much else that does do sync. They could just use the loop length to tweak the results of tap tempo and send MIDI clock and have a win for those of willing to start the drum machine after the loop is recorded.)I have a Boomerang III now. The sound quality, switch feel, and size are great though the size would take a serious hit if I were to add a sidecar and a pedal for volume or decay. (The sidecar with a built in roller would have been a clear win.) The problem for me with the Boomerang is that it really lives to be a phrase sampler. It's a great looper if you want to record verse/chorus/bridge and play against them. To do the sort of looping I was doing on the EDP, it's a pain and Mike Nelson has gotten a lot of long emails from me discussing how to fix this.----But if TC did a Ditto+ (it doesn't even need to be a "Ditto Pro"), I could easily see shifting to it. My feature list:* Stereo — they can go to the size of the Flashback and other Tone Print pedals.* Feedback control — two knobs instead of one. (I can think of interesting uses for more knobs in a Flashback pedal sized device, but I'm trying to stay minimal.)* Exiting record closes the loop on the press but overdubs until the release. Or they need a switch to control whether record goes into play or overdub.* Something Brother Sync like so that I can hook up a couple of these. (Even cooler if they had other pedals that also could connect on a sync buss. MIDI works but MIDI cables are awkwardly big.)-----Instead, they give me four minutes of loop time — who is going to remember where we were five minutes ago? — probably because adding more memory really doesn't require any extra design work.Mark

201301/msg00050:Re: new tc electronic looper

3: Re: new tc electronic looper
10: Subject: Re: new tc electronic looper
18: On Jan 9, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote:But if TC did a Ditto+ (it doesn't even need to be a "Ditto Pro"), I could easily see shifting to it. My feature list:* Stereo — they can go to the size of the Flashback and other Tone Print pedals.* Feedback control — two knobs instead of one. (I can think of interesting uses for more knobs in a Flashback pedal sized device, but I'm trying to stay minimal.)* Exiting record closes the loop on the press but overdubs until the release. Or they need a switch to control whether record goes into play or overdub.* Something Brother Sync like so that I can hook up a couple of these. (Even cooler if they had other pedals that also could connect on a sync buss. MIDI works but MIDI cables are awkwardly big.)Now put that against TC's stated goals: "The guitar player's looper" and "Dirt Simple Looping".If they can bother with stereo on their Tone Print pedals, it clearly doesn't skew against those goals.Feedback is clearly viewed by pedal manufacturers as a more esoteric control though it doesn't seem to be a problem on delay pedals. It is, however, the feature that gets dropped on delays when looking for simplicity. So, while I would like a knob, I could understand burying the control.Brother Sync is a totally esoteric feature that goes against the simplicity goals. But it could be a jack that goes unused in the simple case so it isn't antithetical to it. It's more a matter that it adds cost to the product for a feature that won't appeal to the target market (but might help sell more pedals by making it worthwhile to own two or more looper pedals).Mark

201301/msg00057:Re: new tc electronic looper

3: Re: new tc electronic looper
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18: Thanks. I should probably dig my 2880 out of the closet and try it again. When I first got it, I though it wasn't really going to work as an on-the-fly looper for me.On Jan 9, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Jeff Duke <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:I have two that do have feedback control. The EH 2880 (stereo) and the looper in the Line 6 M9 (mono). My Boss DD 20 also has feedback in the stereo 23 sec delay but not the actual looper setting in it (which I don't use). This delay type looping is my fav but it doesn't have reverse/half speed like like the first two I mentioned.

201302/msg00013:Re: Vox Delaylab- very mini review

18: Your pricing comparison is incorrect. The Delaylab is approx $220 USD. The X4 is approx $249 USD. Not counting the cost of a TC Ditto. Just watched demos of both on YouTube by Pro Guitar. Both seem like fairly decent units for the cost.
47: I got a email from Vox yesterday:"Try out a Delaylab and we'll give you a free tuner".too good an opportunity to miss, so went down to the local Vox dealer to confound the shop staff and do exactly that.So, the delaylab as a looper:-Given that this was done in a noisy music shop with no manual,a random amp and a new guitar (without strap) which hadn't been set up.1) It *doesn't* have a feedback control as implied in the manual, just one loop algorithm where the loop does fade slightly on overdub at a preset rate. - - -2) Selecting any algorithm calls up a factory preset, particularly annoying when you select the one "loop with fade" algorithm which is paired with an awful sounding delay with cheap reverb. - - - 3) There are two other algorithms with looping, but both have
48: 100% feedback. Possibly one of those has a usable delay...but when you switch to the "fading loop" you call up that dreadful reverby setting ( and have to turn a knob to get rid of it every time) - - -4) Each delay mode, including the one with looper has 3 algorithms. The only way to see which algorithm you're in in to press a select button...which changes it and calls up factory presets. -5) Loop functions are Rec/Dub, PLay/Stop/(hold to Clear), Reverse, Re-trigger. 6) You can Re-trigger while overdubbing, but you can't reverse.7) Procedure to replace a loop with a newly recorded one is Stop, longpressStop, Rec8) Tap tempo delays aren't possible while looping. -9) I think there's some kind of metronome type sync mode that I didn't try. As a looper compared to DL41) Re-trigger doesn't force you into one-shot mode. +2) No Half Speed - -3) With the DL4 I
49: could straight away work arrangements that combined the onboard delay with the looper. This *may* be possible with the delaylab, but I didn't manage it. - -As a delay1) Tap time possible. +2) When changing delay time some algorithms do pitch bend like the DL4 (not like changing tape speed!) +3) Some algorithms allowed you to start with a short delay and tap in a multiply ( up to 4S ) + +4) Real fun was had with a delay with pitch shift in the feedback loop. but note that while a shift of a 4th up worked quite well the 5th up sounded a bit rough and the octave up was unusable. (i.e. that's like those cheap pitch shifters from over a decade ago). + and overall:It's much bigger than you'd think. About 50% larger than DL4 in all dimensions.The Delaylab does have savable presets, so it's possible that with a bit of effort it would get more user friendly.I couldn't

201302/msg00250:Re: Re: Latency in looping path

22: you can prepare new audio on the mixer to add? Of course the two
31: Sync Delay" control in its preferences, just to trim the mixer and
78: > hardware looper like the Roland RC-300 or maybe TC Helicon VoiceLOve
114: >>and delay that you add to your mixing desk stream.

201302/msg00012:Vox Delaylab- very mini review

44: an awful sounding delay with cheap reverb. - - -
46: 3) There are two other algorithms with looping, but both have 100% feedback. Possibly
48: one of those has a usable delay...but when you switch to the "fading
53: 4) Each delay mode, including the one with looper has 3 algorithms.

201302/msg00247:Re: Re: Latency in looping path

30: looper like the Roland RC-300 or maybe TC Helicon VoiceLOve Touch 2 which
66: >and delay that you add to your mixing desk stream.
154: >>>> on. Maybe Song B will use two scenes--one each in different parts of
174: >>>are two options for controlling scens in Live; you may launch a scene

201302/msg00020:Vox Delaylab- very mini review

44: an awful sounding delay with cheap reverb. - - -
46: 3) There are two other algorithms with looping, but both have 100% feedback. Possibly
47: one of those has a usable delay...but when you switch to the "fading
52: 4) Each delay mode, including the one with looper has 3 algorithms.

201312/msg00137:Re: difference harmonix 45000 and bo

18: Afterthought:Rack units are often designed not to require seeing or touching during performance. A MIDI-controlled Looperlative LP1 or two, synchronized Gibson Echoplex Digital Pros would do well for the sight-impaired. Yesterday, 12/11, Steve Uccello wrote that he's selling his LP1, with a MIDI pedal.Two Looperlative LP2 pedals or two TC Electronics Dittos (or one a TC Electronics Flashback for reverse, delay, and some looping), with an analog signal switcher (the other kind of looper), would also work.The advantage of two LP2's is that you would have four assignable foot switches. Each could be dedicated to a single function prior to or during performance (e.g., reverse, 1/2 or 1/4 speed, replace, retrigger). The LP2s can be MIDI synced.The advantage of the Ditto is that it is designed to be controlled solely by a tap pattern on a single foot switch. You could hardwire a third switch to the pedals' switches, synchronizing them.I believe that the Boomerang's rotary, function selector does not have stop pins. This could cause problems for the sight-impaired during live performance.Neal

201407/msg00026:Re: What's new in loopers?

32: Be aware there are delays/loopers that MIDI sync only the delay part (TC
35: others sync only the length of initial loop (TC Helicon VoiceLive family).
52: I sold my EDPs two years ago, and started using ableton. Needless to

201411/msg00087:Re: what is the state of things with pedals these days?

18: Yes, I use the Flashback 1 with a certain tape delay patch I
19: downloaded from TC. The default patches doesn't make the unit stand
23: music out of the Mud Zone. In that tape delay tone print this is done
25: into shimmering diffusion. After two or three loop rounds the old

201411/msg00079:Re: what is the state of things with pedals these days?

18: Yeah Per, i'm about to pick up a TC Flashback Triple Delay for the same reason. Figured I could control feedback to achieve simple goals. considering that, at least. I grabbed the Flashback X4 for a minute but sending it back. The looper works fine, but the instant groove thang is what I'm looking for. On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:I sometimes use two delays rather than loopers these days. For my simplest pedalboard the TC Flashback #1 really shines (set to two-channel output in stereo with straight eighths/fourths on one side and triplets on the other side, "instant groove thing")Greetings from SwedenPer Boysenwww.perboysen.comhttp://www.youtube.com/perboysen
19: On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 10:24 PM, Sylvain Poitras <sylvain.trombone@gmail.com> wrote:On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 3:15 PM, todd reynolds <toddreyn@gmail.com> wrote:What are people feelin these days?One trend is definitely towards the small nano type of loopers. Individually, nothing too exciting, but the sheer number you can fit on a board can lead to interesting possibilities (assuming you're into unsynchronized loop and resampling your loops downstream.)For instance:http://www.hotoneaudio.com/skyline/wallylooper.htmlhttp://www.tcelectronic.com/ditto-looper/http://www.tcelectronic.com/ditto-x2-looper/http://www.ehx.com/products/nano-looper-360http://www.tcelectronic.com/flashback-delay/http://digitech.com/en/products/jamman-express-xthttp://www.zvex.com/junky.htmlSylvain

201411/msg00078:Re: what is the state of things with pedals these days?

18: I sometimes use two delays rather than loopers these days. For my simplest pedalboard the TC Flashback #1 really shines (set to two-channel output in stereo with straight eighths/fourths on one side and triplets on the other side, "instant groove thing")Greetings from SwedenPer Boysenwww.perboysen.comhttp://www.youtube.com/perboysen
19: On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 10:24 PM, Sylvain Poitras <sylvain.trombone@gmail.com> wrote:On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 3:15 PM, todd reynolds <toddreyn@gmail.com> wrote:What are people feelin these days?One trend is definitely towards the small nano type of loopers. Individually, nothing too exciting, but the sheer number you can fit on a board can lead to interesting possibilities (assuming you're into unsynchronized loop and resampling your loops downstream.)For instance:http://www.hotoneaudio.com/skyline/wallylooper.htmlhttp://www.tcelectronic.com/ditto-looper/http://www.tcelectronic.com/ditto-x2-looper/http://www.ehx.com/products/nano-looper-360http://www.tcelectronic.com/flashback-delay/http://digitech.com/en/products/jamman-express-xthttp://www.zvex.com/junky.htmlSylvain

201507/msg00029:RE: vocal effects processors?

9: From: Matt Connell <Matt.Connell@tc-helicon.com>
18: Hi Amy, my name is Matt and I work for TC-Helicon, so perhaps I may be
29: http://www.tc-helicon.com/en/products/mic-mechanic/http://www.tc-helicon.com/en/products/mic-mechanic/
39: TC-Helicon Music On Mobile

201507/msg00027:RE: vocal effects processors?

18: Per's VL2 suggestion is certainly a good one. The microphone stand mounted touch interface is probably good for your act, Amy. But it also provides a lot more firepower/effects than you’re looking for (good thing? bad thing?). An alternative, simpler pedal that sounds great is the Flashback (also TC Helicon):http://www.tcelectronic.com/flashback-delay/It’s essentially just a delay pedal, but the knobs make it very easy to get all the sound support you’re looking for — without lots of confusing extras (though it does have a simple looping function too). There are two other versions of the Flashback (mini, X4, Triple), but this mid-grade one is likely the one you want.I’ve used this nifty little thing to turn my signal to stereo and send it to my RC3 looper for many solo vocal gigs. Very simple & compact, very full sound, very nice price ($100 bucks). Hope that helps!Sam Rogershttp://OneMouthBand.com/ From: Amy X Neuburg <amyx@isproductions.com>Subject: vocal effects processors?Date: July 25, 2015 at 12:59:42 AM MDTTo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.comI bet you folks will have some suggestions for inexpensive live vocal processor pedals.For those rare gigs where I’m just singing (not schlepping all my gear), I like a little reverb on my voice, and occasionally a tube distortion effect or a delay. Many of the little art houses where I frequently play have no effects in-house, so I bring my old Dynachord rack unit and hook it up to their mixer as a send. Sounds great.But this is a pain, and I can’t change effects from the stage, so I’m thinking about a pedal or other small device to use like an insert. This will color the sound, I realize, so I wonder if anyone knows of a particularly clean one. I’m okay without huge programming capability — some good presets with a few adjustable parameters would be fine. Do not need looper, do not need harmonizer, do not need auto-tune (blech!). Does something this simple even exist?I see a TC Helicon Single R1 that does ONLY reverb. That’s TOO simple.Thanks! — AmyπππππππππππππππππππππAmy X Neuburghttp://www.amyxneuburg.comπππππππππππππππππππππ

201507/msg00030:Re: vocal effects processors?

19: > An alternative, simpler pedal that sounds great is the Flashback (also TC
21: > http://www.tcelectronic.com/flashback-delay/
25: of reverb you can get from it is the typical tape delay style reverb,
28: delay slaps on straight notes, delay slaps on triplets and finally

201508/msg00022:RE: vocal effects processors?

9: From: Matt Connell <Matt.Connell@tc-helicon.com>
21: TC-Helicon MMP
23: TC Group
30: matt.connell@tc-helicon.com

201508/msg00006:Re: Spatial Effects

18: Can the TimeFactor do tape echo or analog echo simulations while doing independent stereo delays? One of the things that I like about the TC Nova (and TC's other delay pedals) is that the dual delay settings are available for all delay tones, not just a specific dual digital delay. The TC Nova Delay will even do ducking in combination with analog or tape effects and dual delays though sadly I don't think their ducking works as well as Line 6's. (As with the auto swell, I think Line 6 has managed to hit on really good envelope response.) On the other hand, much as I like aspects of the TC delays, I also get frustrated with them — particularly with the Alter Ego X4 which has some nice delay models but brain dead interaction between presets, tempo, and _expression_ pedal settings. (Brain dead interaction that could probably be fixed by having a position on the time knob that just meant "use the currently tapped tempo".)Now, what would be really fun is dual delay lines with _expression_ pedal controlled feedback v cross-feedback a la at least one of the algorithms on the Vortex.MarkOn Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 10:09 AM, bill walker <wildbillwalker@icloud.com> wrote:Im very satisfied using two Neunaber products and an Eventide time factor to create my spatial and ambient effects, the Eventide does the heavy lifting of delays, usually stereo though it sums nicely to mono if needed. Im also always controlling delay tempo via midi from my looper. I like using two different subdivisions at the same time to create a syncopated delay that enhances the stereo spread. These include 1/4 note and dotted 1/8th note together for 4/4 time, and triplet 1/4 or 1/8th against 1/4 note or 1/8th note for 12/8 feel. _expression_ pedal control is usually increasing both mix depth and feedback as I move from heel to toe.Then I use a Neunaber V2 Seraphim shimmer verb which has 4 presets controlled by an EXP switcher, two types of shimmer verb,( essentially a reverb with a high octave delay trail), and two type of Wet reverb, in both cases the depth control is actually moving through different room sizes that get bigger as the depth increases, culminating in a very large near infinite reverb. Then I use another wet reverb pedal, loaded with an echelon echo preset that uses a soft scatter delay algorithm that scatters and diffuses quickly after the initial delay pulse.This particular echo is somewhat unique in that the mix control is actually controlling how much direct signal is routed to the delay. This is very handy in creating echo blooms with not initial note attack sounding, if I use an _expression_ pedal and play a chord while in heal down position and move quickly to toe down. The _expression_ pedal is essential for me when using these effects as I can make my reverbs deepen and grow in length with my pedal position. The Mission expressionator has become absolutely essential for harnessing the power of these three effects processors as I can control the overall depth of each effect individually , or I can control all three pedals effects depth at once, using a single _expression_ pedal as an example I like to strum a chord or play a note with a relatively dry sound and use the _expression_ pedal to bloom the note . Kind of like walking from an acoustically dead room, in to a stairwell. What I like about this method is it sounds very natural to me, not like stereo phase shifting and filtering effects that sound very obvious to me, like fake wind. I like both the filter pong and band delay settings on the Eventide, though I use them much less often the ducking delay, reverse delay and modulation delay algorithms. Here are a couple links to Neunaber and Mission. Everyone here is already aware of that Eventide company. Speaking of which, I know how crazy everyone is over the new H-9's , but I really wish they had kept the same size pedal format as their other pedals and not gotten rid of the extra foot pedal port, On my Time Factor I have both the _expression_ pedal and a three button footswitch attached, The three button footswitch allows me to remotely control the hold function, and have individual control over the right and left delays feedback, making it easy to jump from single repeat to 110% self oscilation on either delay. That being said, Im still lusting after an H-9. Billhttp://neunaber.nethttp://missionengineering.com/?product=expressionator-2

201508/msg00018:Re: vocal effects processors?

51: > Hi Amy, my name is Matt and I work for TC-Helicon, so perhaps I may be
63: > http://www.tc-helicon.com/en/products/mic-mechanic/http://www.tc-helicon.com/en/products/mic-mechanic/
73: > TC-Helicon Music On Mobile
75: > TC Group

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