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Rainer: try taking a look at the Luxonix LFX-1310 ( http://www.luxonix.com/home/en/products.html?id=lfx1310 ). I just downloaded and started futzing around with it this week. It's not an absolute rave-up, but I think it could be what you're looking for -- flexible multiFX with a relatively low CPU load. Best of all, it's free. Mark, Rainer is right about the CPU usage on Stylus RMX. I've been using Stylus for a couple of years now, since the first version was released -- and was mildly disappointed by the CPU utilization on RMX. There *are* some tricks to get it down to a nice, low level, which is not how it comes out of the box; rather, it boots into a mode that really shows off some of its nicer features, such as the effects. But that comes at the expense of the CPU. I don't doubt that was probably how Rainer's friend first brought it up (I know I did the same for the first few months too). The tradeoff is that it oozes quality. The drums are the best of any virtual library I've come across, especially if you start adding the SAGE Xpanders like Backbeat or New Orleans Groove. What I might suggest for your purposes, however, is to see if you can find a copy of Stylus "Classic". There are still a few floating around as overstock if you look. It has a ridiculously low CPU usage, and it's just as ridiculously easy to throw together backing beats. You can go through and search the library, or, if you're in an improv or writing session, fall back on the groove menus. These presets have a set of different beats already mapped across a keyboard. They are divided by tempo, then subdivided by the feel at that tempo -- slow, medium, or fast. Most of the beats within one of those presets are further divided (by key mapping) into the elements of that groove. For instance C2 may contain the complete drum loop, while C#2 only has the bass drum part, D2 has the snare and hats, D#2 the percussion, etc., etc. Makes for a very fast way of working out a part. Then, most of the grooves also have their own presets into which you can go and actually edit the MIDI notes of the different elements, once you've decided on a base part you like. Finally, I've got one of the Powercore systems (the Powercore Firewire) and I love it. I first bought it for the exact reason both of you mentioned -- to get CPU load out of my rack. It doesn't work as well as I'd thought it would that, but only because I'm using it with live material. There is a latency inherent in the system (audio has to be fed out Firewire, then piped back in). If you're working with pre-recorded parts, most hosts now have plug-in latency compensation to deal with this. However, it's not so applicable to pre-delay tracks when they're being composed on the fly live. ;) The good news is that if you know about that ahead of time, you can plot around it. For instance, I didn't want to depend on the Powercore's compression, because I was afraid a few milliseconds of delay would "smear" the signal just enough wrong to cause polarity problems at the very least. That means I don't use the compression plug-ins on the individual instruments (which is a shame, since the 24/7 is a nice emulation), but rather compress the signal before hitting the A/D converter. That said, there's plenty of good stuff that can be used without a problem. Anything delay-based (the Classic and Mega Reverbs are worth the price of admission alone, then the Chorus Delay and the EQ's, and Character is really good too). The Master X3 is the TC Finalizer, and I usually strap that across the inserts on the main outs of my host. And I'm finding uses I wouldn't have normally thought of for that cheesy little SH-101 clone that comes with it. I'm even considering either the Novation V-Station or Access Virus to offload most of my synth duties from the CPU. Overall, I've probably dropped my average CPU utilization by over 40% so far by using the Powercore, and it sounds really, really good. Let me know if you've any specific questions, and I'll be happy to address them. --m. At 2:01 AM +0100 1/10/06, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >I should have been more specific when talking about the multi-fx. I don't >need pristine or even decent quality, especially not from the reverb (that >is because all the reverbs I have been using in the last years were >sounding >artifical on purpose). If a chorus sounds like it has been done with a >Commodore C64, then so be it. >>From the plugin market I'm aware of, think PSP Nitro for people without >enough CPU power... > > Rainer > >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. Januar 2006 01:42 >> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Betreff: Re: LWL (looping with laptops) - multi-FX VST and >> compressor/limiter VST >> >> Heh, we've gone from "needs to be one rackspace" to "needs to >> use less CPU cycles..." We humans are so silly. Since I'm >> not using it live it's probably OK for me, but I think you'll >> have a hard time finding decent reverbs that aren't resource >> hungry. That's always been a problem. I've seen some >> hardware accelators.. not sure how well they work but it may >> be the answer to your problems: >> > > http://www.zzounds.com/item--TCEPCCOMPACT >> >> of course, for that price you can get a very cool multi >> effects processor. :) >> >> Mark >> >> --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <rs@moinlabs.de> wrote: >> >> > Had a look at RMX Stylus at a friend's place. First thing I >> noticed is >> > it's quite ressource-hungry (with regard to CPU load at >> least). Sadly, >> > this is a k.o. criterion for me. Coming from playing a setup >> > containing eight HU of rack space, a 24-ch/6 aux mixer with >> 4-band eqs >> > per channel, three synths and a little bit of small stuff (Kaoss, >> > DL4), I have to economize on CPU load to be able to work the way I >> > want to work - with a system so complex it's able to do things I do >> > not understand ;-). >> > >> > Battery (like all of NI's samplers) are a great choice for >> drum sounds >> > because they include enough flexibility to further shape >> your static >> > samples in a dynamic way. >> > >> > >> > Now, again a question: >> > On my quest for VST plugins (Windows!) that are not >> > ressource-hungry, I'm >> > looking: >> > >> > a) for something like a multi-fx. Think of a >> > FireworX in plugin form. Only >> > real requirement: low CPU usage. >> > >> > b) a limiter. For my mains, so no clipping hits the >> > converters. >> > Requirements: low CPU usage. >> > >> > c) a kind of dynamic processor that allows me to add >> > more "punch" to a >> > single track or submix. Requirements: extremely >> > simple UI (I want to have >> > one knob which works from "no processing at all" to >> > "super overpunched" >> > (think Marylin Manson "This is the New >> > Shit"/Chorus). And low CPU usage ;-) >> > >> > Any ideas on this? >> > >> > Rainer >> > >> > PS: anyone using the Behringer BCR2000 fader box? I >> > have a problem with the >> > editor software - it won't transmit to the BCR >> > (error msg. "It seems the >> > controller is busy while transmitting $Re6" or >> > something like it). Ideas, >> > anyone? >> > >> > >> > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> > > Von: mark sottilaro >> > [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] >> > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. Januar 2006 00:58 >> > > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> > > Betreff: Re: LWL (looping with laptops) - >> > MIDI-programmable >> > > drum sequencer >> > > >> > > I'm having a great time composing drums using >> > BATTERY. >> > > It's pretty brilliant and since it's just a >> > sample player >> > > that sits inside a sequencer that I already know >> > as an .au >> > > (Digital Performer) Simple but so much more >> > effective than >> > > working with any drum machine I've ever used... >> > though >> > > sometimes I do long for a quick pattern based >> > interface... GURU maybe? >> > > >> > > Also... what is Stylus exactly? Hard to tell from >> > the >> > > site... seems like premade grooves you mix >> > together in some >> > > way? I'm actually looking for something like > > > that. >> > > Something that's FAST for creating a quick groove >> > to loop to. >> > > I hate when I spend an evening making drums only >> > to find >> > > I've not touched a guitar and it's time to go to >> > bed. I'm >> > > often just wanting fast good drums that A) change >> > like a song >> > > (or can be quickly made to do so) and B) will give >> > me clock >> > > out for my Repeater. >> > > >> > > Will Stylus RMX do the trick? I don't care if >> > it's very >> > > "preset" as I have lots that isn't. >> > > >> > > Mark >> > > >> > > --- Per Boysen <per@boysen.se> wrote: >> > > >> > > > On 7 jan 2006, at 18.46, Rainer Thelonius >> > Balthasar >> > > Straschill wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > Now I would be looking for something like a >> > > > MIDI-controllable drum >> > > > > pattern sequencer as a VST (or Live! plugin). >> > > > >> > > > iDrum is good and not very expensive if you have >> > a OS X Mac. It's >> > > > basically a pattern/song sequencer with built-in >> > drum sample player. >> > > > A more advanced thing, of the same kind but far >> > more advanced >> > > > regarding experimental options, is GURU (Wind >> > and Mac). >> > > Both iDrum and >> > > > GURU has a built in "groove feel modulator" >> > > > inspired by the >> > > > legendary MPC-60. While these two can run their >> > own sequnces, >> > > > organized in "pattens" and "songs" the Stylus >> > RMX also have >> > > a unique >> > > > sound but now built in sequencer. You have to >> > drive RMX with MIDI >> > > > sequences (which is also possible with iDrum and >> > GURU). RMX >> > > has some >> > > > interesting random scriptiing and effect >> > processing options. >> > > > >> > > > Ableton Live already has a good Drum Sample >> > Player built into the >> > > > software: Impulse. MIDI sequences to drive the >> > drum kits has to be >> > > > dropped into Live slots on a track that is set >> > to feed the Impulse. >> > > > >> > > > I can't answer for external MIDI editing options >> > as you're requests >> > > > are not very detailed. You will have to go to >> > each products >> > > manual to >> > > > check out if it will let you do what you have in >> > mind. As far as >> > > > changing patterns on the fly I'm sure four will >> > let you do >> > > that. Go to >> > > > the manufacturers web pages and watch the >> > movies. >> > > > At least >> > > > Spectrasonics and FXpansion has excellent demo >> > and tutorial videos. >> > > > These apps all have their own unique sound - >> > even the cheap >> > > iDrum - so >> > > > it's hard to recommend anything unheard. >> > > > >> > > > Greetings from Sweden >> > > > >> > > > Per Boysen >> > > > www.looproom.com (international) >> > > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> > > > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) >> > > > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > __________________________________________ >> > > Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. >> > > Just $16.99/mo. or less. >> > > dsl.yahoo.com >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________________ >> Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. >> Just $16.99/mo. or less. >> dsl.yahoo.com >> >>