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Re: Re:Kyma/max

Well, after reading everything it still seems like the biggest possible 
drawback of MSP is the latency and of Kyma is the size.

How do you "compromise your playing style because of latency"? What kind 
of latency are we talking about here? I don't quite understand this.

One thing about MSP is that it allows you to use VST effects inside of it. 
This means that you could just use something like Freeverb as the reverb 
instead of trying to emulate it or use another piece of equipment for 
reverb. It does use CPU power, but I think it would be better sounding and 
easier that trying to build your own reverb patches. You could also use 
reverbs by TC Works, Waves, Steinberg, etc.

Ben Porter.


On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:02:31   Gareth Whittock wrote:
>I don't know about a fight. I have no allegiances - they're just tools.
>If I found something better than Kyma tomorrow and I could afford it I'd
>probably get it. One of the main reasons I got Kyma was I was getting
>tired of compromising my playing style because of latency. I used to use
>Audiomulch, (PC only) and got the latency right down on it though there
>was some discernible delay. If you're a player you don't really want
>that sort of thing getting in the way of your performance. I've had Kyma
>for a few weeks now and there is no latency, (well 6 ms) also the sound
>quality is impeccable which, when you're layering sounds many times, can
>be important. The interface could do with tweaking - frankly it's a bit
>clunky. The midi interface is comprehensive. You can trigger
>sequences/processes etc. on the fly. It'll do dolby 5.1, 7.1, quad
>stereo or mono. The processors are very powerful. You can record your
>performance straight to hard disk pre or post effects, (or both) pre
>effects means you can edit a performance without having to worry about
>reverb tails etc. - nice! The reverb algorithms take up a fair amount of
>DSP though so I'm thinking of getting a Lexicon and sending/returning
>from Kyma - this can be done digitally. I'm trying to emulate freeverb
>at the moment which may free up resources without draining DSP. Finally
>the worst thing is having to drag a computer around with Kyma. Dennis
>Leas tells me you can run it off a digital watch more or less so I'll be
>looking for a second-hand laptop soon too. 
>Just realized I'm getting carried away - and using up valuable Kyma time
>- must dash.
>Ciao for now,
>> Well, after the whole Kyma vs. Orville fight a few weeks ago, I thought 
>I would ask about something that I've been thinking about. Lately, I've 
>been heavily researching Max/MSP. But, I'm wondering how much better a 
>Kyma system would be.
>> I'm mostly interested in two aspects of the programs. One is live 
>performance. The ability to send MIDI in (using some alternate MIDI 
>controllers) and get audio out. I'm thinking mostly sampling, but maybe 
>some synthesis and possibly some sound morphing (thanks for letting me 
>know about that one!) and definitely some effects,  looping, and mixing. 
>The other would be sound design. Actually being able to create new and 
>interesting sounds as well as modify and/or

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