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Re: I now "get" the RC-50.

The default Self Quantize feature of the RC50 that some seem to be taking issue with can actually be disabled. From my experience so far I think what's really critical is creating the initial loop and the careful stepping on and off of the record footswitch. This is where practice to feel is required. So far so good for me with the RC50.    
----- Original Message -----
From: Teddy
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: I now "get" the RC-50.

Hey Richard,

oh ya... if you plug the RC-50 into your computer it just shows up as a hard drive.
you can drag the loop audio into an audio editor, normalize, eq... whatever... then just save it back to the RC-50 with the same name and voila, your perfect take is at max volume now.
That drive functionality is also great for backing up.
Another great thing about the RC-50


On Jun 13, 2007, at 2:25 PM, Richard Sales wrote:

Thanks Teddy

Yeah... I know I need to do some more homework on it. 

What I wanna do is be able to have three patches of guitar and then add percussion on new loopable tracks live.  I could possibly do that in overdub but it seems, or so far it seems, that controlling the volume in or out of the overdubs is tricky.  And some of the guitar patches I have in it I don't wanna have to do over again because they're complex etc.  

Have you figured out a way to load from storage particular patches from the computer? 

That's good news on the modeling thing.  It never bothered me before but once I got the idea in my head that it was changing the sound of the guitar it bummed me out because I liked the sound so much and didn't wanna lose it should I ever migrate to a different looper. 

I don't think I'm gonna do that anytime soon.  But if I can't find a solution to the inability to loop percussion over existing parts I may have to buy another RC50 or a looperlative or something else.  I do like the quantize thing and the ability to punch a track to enter when the existing loop is done.  Not sure if looperlative does that.   

Might have to bite the bullet and get into Ableton.  

Thanks so much for the info.  I'm glad there are smart people out there using these things!

richard sales
glassWing farm and studio
vancouver island, b.c.
On 13-Jun-07, at 10:59 AM, Teddy wrote:

Hi Richard,

not enough loops as in not enough drum patterns? or not enough places to save loops?

the levels are not hard to control if you set them all at unity and save it as a default patch.
I think that is the thing about the RC-50. It's pretty flexible, which can be a problem for some.
Once you understand that you'll be setting it up how you like it, then saving a default patch with those settings and always using that as a start patch, I think the thing is pretty darn good.

As far as sync, we have some new people chiming in that it works fine if it is the master.
I haven't tried it that way as I don't have anything to use with it.
So that scenario might be fine.

noisy? didn't notice that.
can't turn modeling off? you mean like the built in flat amp simulator? that only works on the mic or aux, so it's not an issue with the main guitar input.
it doesn't gate quiet passages here. It is flawless in sound quality.


On Jun 13, 2007, at 11:51 AM, Richard Sales wrote:

I don't mind the RC50. But there are issues! (Off the top of my head without thinking about it too much...)

1.) not enough loops. I don't like overdubbing because the levels are hard to control. I might have to work on that, though.
2.) it does something funny to the sound (I THINK it's the RC50 that's doing it. I need to do a study of it. But I think it gates quiet passages.)
3.) I think it's noisy (pretty sure it's the RC 50)
4.) If Teddy is right, sync issues, which I haven't tested yet but, when I get around to it, could be fatal
5.) The built in modeling can't be turned off unless you're going in mic or aux. The modeling thing might be what causes the gating effect I'm hearing. What bothers me most about the modeling is that if and when I change loopers, the whole picture will change. However, I LOVE the sound I'm getting.

The nice thing about not enough loops is it forces economy and sometimes economy forces creativity. And also thinking about structure, if structure is a part of your game. And the guide track has forced me to realize that I write a lot in 5 and 7/4. I would have run into that with the sequencer too, but I've been on an anti sequencer jag for a while now. 

I would never say it's a big waste of money because it's opened up whole new continents of possibility for me, GIANT continents!) but probably any quality sound looper could have done that. At some point I'm sure I'll graduate to a Looperlative, but I need to really study that. 

I haven't really done any real tests to see if the sound issues are the RC50 or the gizmos I have in the chain. Whenever I sit down to test it I start playing which always carries me away from the world of rational thinking, testing etc.  And that by itself is worth much more than 500 ducks.

richard sales

On 13-Jun-07, at 7:59 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote:

I understand where you're coming from. But in the situation I outlined, it works great. Nobodys time is perfect that the loop is flawless. A drummer playing in time will always drift a little. Even if you are that perfect, you will never hit every loop all night at a gig.
But yes, for solo stuff the RC-50 has its issues.