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Re: I now "get" the RC-50.

Hi Richard,

not enough loops as in not enough drum patterns? or not enough places to save loops?

the levels are not hard to control if you set them all at unity and save it as a default patch.
I think that is the thing about the RC-50. It's pretty flexible, which can be a problem for some.
Once you understand that you'll be setting it up how you like it, then saving a default patch with those settings and always using that as a start patch, I think the thing is pretty darn good.

As far as sync, we have some new people chiming in that it works fine if it is the master.
I haven't tried it that way as I don't have anything to use with it.
So that scenario might be fine.

noisy? didn't notice that.
can't turn modeling off? you mean like the built in flat amp simulator? that only works on the mic or aux, so it's not an issue with the main guitar input.
it doesn't gate quiet passages here. It is flawless in sound quality.


On Jun 13, 2007, at 11:51 AM, Richard Sales wrote:

I don't mind the RC50.  But there are issues!  (Off the top of my head without thinking about it too much...)

1.) not enough loops.  I don't like overdubbing because the levels are hard to control.  I might have to work on that, though.
2.) it does something funny to the sound (I THINK it's the RC50 that's doing it.  I need to do a study of it. But I think it gates quiet passages.)
3.) I think it's noisy (pretty sure it's the RC 50)
4.) If Teddy is right, sync issues, which I haven't tested yet but, when I get around to it, could be fatal
5.) The built in modeling can't be turned off unless you're going in mic or aux.  The modeling thing might be what causes the gating effect I'm hearing.  What bothers me most about the modeling is that if and when I change loopers, the whole picture will change.  However, I LOVE the sound I'm getting.

The nice thing about not enough loops is it forces economy and sometimes economy forces creativity.  And also thinking about structure, if structure is a part of your game.  And the guide track has forced me to realize that I write a lot in 5 and 7/4.  I would have run into that with the sequencer too, but I've been on an anti sequencer jag for a while now. 

I would never say it's a big waste of money because it's opened up whole new continents of possibility for me, GIANT continents!) but probably any quality sound looper could have done that.  At some point I'm sure I'll graduate to a Looperlative, but I need to really study that.  

I haven't really done any real tests to see if the sound issues are the RC50 or the gizmos I have in the chain.  Whenever I sit down to test it I start playing which always carries me away from the world of rational thinking, testing etc.   And that by itself is worth much more than 500 ducks.

richard sales

On 13-Jun-07, at 7:59 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote:

I understand where you're coming from. But in the situation I outlined, it works great. Nobodys time is perfect that the loop is flawless. A drummer playing in time will always drift a little. Even if you are that perfect, you will never hit every loop all night at a gig.
But yes, for solo stuff the RC-50 has its issues.


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The RC-50 is the biggest waste of money I have ever made the mistake of investing in. It's cumbersome to say the least in that it's LOADED with useless features. The guide is the most inept feature of all. If you can't keep time with your foot you have no business looping. I always wanted, and had even wrote and suggested the product 10 years ago, a multiple master stereo version of the good old (noisy as hell) Boomerang which IS the only decent floor looper ever made. What a waste of technology and more directly, efficiency.