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On Feb 14, 2005, at 5:48 PM, David Kirkdorffer wrote:

> I have no idea about the context in which these opinions are formed.  
> And
> prior to reading this, I had no ideas about the person forming these
> opinions.  And, based on what I read here, the writer of these 
> opinions has
> clearly also demonstrated he does not know me at all, and thus can not 
> speak
> for me in any way.

Yes I do know some of what you do because you are on this list.  I 
never spoke for you, I spoke against you in the sense that technology 
heads are pretty much fixed against music in its purest form.  They are 
stuck with electricity and a manual which takes vital energy away from 
the [purest forms of creativity.

Yes, I don't know you, you think you may know me but I would venture to 
say that you only know me as a reactive person.  You don't know what I 
do nor do any of you except for maybe Tim Mungenast, who I've exchanged 
with.  As far as the rest of you guys maybe my horrifying looping 
performance but it takes some talent to be horrifying and I have a 
talent for that.

You may be Beethoven or highly creative.  I don't know.  I figure most 
of you are slaves to technology and this is a shame.

As Bill said and I'll change the last words, "Shame on you technology 
heads."  You've maybe lost the meaning of pounding on real things as 
they exist in nature.

Shame on me, really!  I'm not dissing anyone, I'm just calling what I 
see.  So shoot me for being honest.  It happens all the time.  I'm 
happy to be shot, I don't have the kind of ego you think I have, I only 
lose it when my manhood has been in question.
> As to technology and music - music is clearly influenced by technology.
> Advances in technology make it possible to construct and fabricate new
> instruments.  This has always been the way since man started making 
> sounds.
> Stone, wood, metal, silicone, and light.  And each new instrument is 
> taken
> up by players of that age and used to accomplish something a little 
> new and
> different from others preceding it.  The degree that a new instrument 
> is
> adopted and can give voice to a new compelling musical repertoire, is 
> the
> degree it becomes a success.

yes but when it comes to contemporary technology then it is quite a 
different matter than designing a new fingering system for the flute.

Sometime todays technologies have taken music to a deformed place where 
the chaos of human interaction and the thing being manipulated is not a 
matter of musical talent it is a matter of one's ability to decipher a 
manual and use a program.

Some techno heads can't make a sound on a real thing and would have 
made wooden shoes in the age of Bronze.
> This last comment from the post (quoted in full below) I found quite
> astonishing:
>> Take what I say as not another opinion but a judgment.  I have some
>> historical perspective.
> The thing about perspective is it changes based on where you sit.
> Perspective therefore is not fixed, it is changeable.  And if 
> perspectives
> change, then judgments that are fixed will become obsolete.

Historical perspective never changes it is only added to.  A judgment 
is based on this it is not astonishing.  In music perspective is 
everything and a judgment is not an opinion which people can make all 
of the opinions they want about the originality of this or that and it 
turns into baby shit.  If they don't have any historical perspective 
than an opinion is a weak thing, like those who voted for Bush.

Yes I agree but a judgment is something that comes from knowledge and 
perspective.  If there is new information perspectives can change but 
it will still form into a judgment and not an opinion.  Judgments 
remain fixed if information remains the same.

Show me something that happened in music that causes a person who has 
perspective to change.  Maybe Goreski's 3rd Symphony did a little to 
change my judgment on what modern music can be but I'd venture to say 
that there has been little in the last decade, in pure music, that is 
not comprehensive with what came before.

This may be a bad thing in a way.  It stops thinking out of the box but 
I like the box, so far it has made me happy as a musician.  I have 
context and I have direction.

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Cooperman" <coop@newmillguitar.com>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 2:45 PM
>> Hi Tony,
>> I listened and I found the comp wanting nothing and found the title
>> quite proper for the sonic result.  Very, very good!
>> I have found that a lot of the people on this mailing list really 
>> don't
>> understand music.
>> They understand machines, popular "music," multimedia and other things
>> wrapped up in technology but music no.
>> So I would take what everyone says here with a grain or a load of 
>> salt.
>> A while back I gave a series of compositions to one of these people 
>> and
>> his brother for their amusement and because the primary function of 
>> the
>> stuff was music, I heard nothing from them.  They don't understand
>> music as an organic growing thing, they understand it as part of a
>> social order that they grew up with.  This I know because I heard 
>> them.
>>   As good as they are I heard nothing new what-so-ever.  So when
>> confronted with something that they haven't heard before they were
>> silent.
>> What I mean to say is that music has a life beyond classifiers like
>> popular and technology.  It is pure expression without the need for
>> monikers.
>> We have a lot of highly intelligent people here who are schooled and
>> well read but treat their music like vestiges of their teenage years
>> and nothing beyond that.  When I say they don't understand music I 
>> mean
>> it.  They have no historical perspective at all and believe me that is
>> need in the music arts as it is in any other.  How the hell do you 
>> know
>> when you're being a "rebel" if you know nothing about what you're
>> "rebelling" against.
>> There are no rebels here.  I read these emails from time to time most
>> of the time I just delete them because of the banal content, people
>> thinking they're really. really cutting edge and they are just not.
>> I may get a kick out of something here someday but I attended Y2K4, 
>> did
>> a really horrible performance myself but I am sure that I made sounds
>> that I hadn't heard before based on the chaos of all of the crappy 
>> gear
>> that was meant to represent me.
>> Is a paint brush gear?  Is a vibrating string gear?  Gear, gear so 
>> what
>> if there is no electricity? Technology has made musicians out of
>> lawyers and bakers?  No.  At least not in my book.
>> As well, a person playing in a orchestra is not the same caliber
>> creator as some of the Loopers.  I always thought that being a 
>> musician
>> had something to do with creation and with some orchestra musicians,
>> you take the sheet music away and they order a pizza.  There was a 
>> time
>> in classical music when everyone improvised.
>> Take what I say as not another opinion but a judgment.  I have some
>> historical perspective.
>> Larry Cooperman
>> New Millennium Guitar
>> http://www.newmillguitar.com
Larry Cooperman
New Millennium Guitar