Re: First Loop Sync

[jnd <jnd@strombolic.net>]

Hi Per

First of all thanks again for sharing your knowledge....

So i have got augustus and live running....augustus as sync master  
for live.  And with this the problem of synchronization is solved.
But the Augustus Freeze Loop button gets me nuts. Because I have to  
hit it at the exact point where the loop begins. Is there anyway  
around this?


> You could read up on SooperLooper as well. Maybe that one suits  
> your needs better? It can run many parallel loops in sync. But it  
> cant act as the Sync Master for Live, but if you don't want to use  
> any tempo dependent effects of Live's that shouldn't be a problem.  
> Another host, that I like better, is Bidule. It can be used as a  
> simple host but it also has all kind of building objects all the  
> down to strict math for those who want to bild their own processing  
> units. The reason I prefer Bidule rather than Max is that the  
> interface is based on musical time (tempo, note duration etc)  
> rather than absolute time (milliseconds).

As you advice i am studying SooperLooper. But I hanven't found out a  
way to have the output of each lop on sooperlooper in diferent live  
tracks. Could you help me out on this one?

Cheers!

Ana ( on my way to live-loop)

On Aug 20, 2007, at 8:57 AM, Per Boysen wrote:

> Ableton Live is not very accurate when in the Sync Slave position  
> because it applies a bit of rounding to the incoming tempo. That's  
> why Augustus Loop has this setting "Rounding tempos for Live" that  
> you should activate. On the rare occasions I loop with Augustus  
> under Live I use to run two loopers in parallel and ususally they  
> stay in sync well, one being the Sync Master for the host LIve as  
> well as the other Augustus Loop looper. If I do a lot of REverse or  
> changing of the Beat Devisor one looper might slip a quarter note  
> or so but then I bring it back into the music by some Revers  
> fiddling or simply kick Tap Record and redo the loops right on the  
> spot.
>
> There are two concepts of looping in Augustus. Either you keep the  
> input all up and activate Freeze Loop when you don't want the loop  
> to layer the incoming signal or you keep selected the Punch In and  
> PUnch Out buttons to do all substituting Redord that is also  
> quantized. Or you combine both methods.
>
> In live you can set up MIDI Clips that send the commands into  
> Augustus Loop and trig those MIDI Clips from external MIDI foot  
> pedals. YOu can also assign the MIDI foot pedals directly to the  
> Augustus' parameters or do a combination. Regard "having Live and  
> Augustus Loop" as the starting point from where you may design your  
> own looping system.
>
> I think Live/Augustus is nice for music that gain from a loose  
> timing and I find it very fun to play for a "glitchy and  
> experimental sound", although I prefer the looper Mobius  
> (unfortunately it runs under Windows, but now that's not a big  
> problem for todays' intel Macs that can boot Win as well by the  
> BootCamp utility). An improtant feature that i miss in all Mac  
> loopers of today is the Next Loop and Previous Loop function. I  
> like to work with five alternative loops on two, or more, parallel  
> tracks and then jump between these loops to simultaneously build up  
> and change up to five "song parts". To do that with Augustus or  
> SooperLooper you need to open a new instance of the looper plug-in  
> for every loop and that means almost as much fiddling on the  
> computer as if you would use Max/msp, Bidule or PD construct a  
> custom looper from scratch ;-))
>
> You could read up on SooperLooper as well. Maybe that one suits  
> your needs better? It can run many parallel loops in sync. But it  
> cant act as the Sync Master for Live, but if you don't want to use  
> any tempo dependent effects of Live's that shouldn't be a problem.  
> Another host, that I like better, is Bidule. It can be used as a  
> simple host but it also has all kind of building objects all the  
> down to strict math for those who want to bild their own processing  
> units. The reason I prefer Bidule rather than Max is that the  
> interface is based on musical time (tempo, note duration etc)  
> rather than absolute time (milliseconds).
>
> per
>
>
> On 20 aug 2007, at 01.34, jnd wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Thanks again Per for your advices...i managed to establish  
>> midiclock sync between Augustus and Live.
>> But I could not achieve the goal of recording the following loops  
>> in sync with the first one.
>> What i am doing wrong?
>> Can you explain me step by step? Idiot proof style....
>> This is becoming frustrating....i always thought  that preparing a  
>> live looping setup on ableton live....would be a more  
>> straightfoward thing. But it seems almost impossible...
>>
>> Thanks again Peri for your help....and anyone else willing to  
>> share the secret of how to live loop with ableton live.
>>
>> Ana
>>
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2007, at 7:46 PM, Per Boysen wrote:
>>
>>> On 18 aug 2007, at 20.20, jnd wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi again Per  ...
>>>>
>>>> Thanks...i downloaded the Augustus plug-in. But i can't follow  
>>>> your instructions : / ... how do i set the plug-in to send his  
>>>> tempo as a midiclock?
>>>
>>> 1. Open the plug-in's GUI.
>>> 2. Click the "About/Register" button.
>>> 3. Select the "MIDI output" box.
>>> 4. Either save your host and launch Live again or delete the plug- 
>>> in from the plug-in slot and open a new instance of it. This is  
>>> for the change to take effect.
>>>
>>> Augustus Loop now opens a virtual MIDI Port that is named  
>>> "Augustus Loop 1" by Ableton Live's MIDI/sync preferences. If you  
>>> open a second plug-in, on another Live track, it will show up as  
>>> "Augustus Loop 2". You should only use the first one as the Sync  
>>> Master though, so be sure to activate the green Host Tempo button  
>>> in the plug-in's GUI.
>>>
>>>> Greetings from Portugal
>>>
>>> Cool! I've been to Lisboa a couple of times and once lived four  
>>> months on Kap Verde (former Portuguese colony and still very  
>>> influenced, the vibe somewhere between Portugal and Africa)
>>>
>>> Greetings from Sweden
>>>
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