kim wrote: "It seems to me there is plenty of opportunity for talented loopers to teach lessons or write books or make instructional videos. Why not you? What are you all waiting for?" I know that Hans Lindauer shot a video of Andre LaFosse and I have not idea why it never came out (or maybe, I should say, if it ever came out). Bernhard Wagner has also been working on a documentary about the EDP. Has that ever seen the light of day? Anyone know the status of these events? kim wrote: "Are you talking about the old manual or the new one? I almost completely rewrote it for the EDP plus, and tried to reorganize it. It seems to me the volume of complaining about the manual went down after that." and, yes, Kim, the new manual is really much better than the old one and you did a good job on it, to give ample credit where credit is do. I still wish there was perhaps a glossary of musical techniques and the specific tools to use to accomplish them. But, as you say, if I really want it that badly, I can do it myself. ************************************** I also hear what you say that you can buy a guitar without much of a manual, but the techniques that are possible with the Loop IV software are paradigm breaking in any digital instrument in my opinion and it has taken me seeing people like Andy,Claude, Andre, Luis and Matthias to get a handle on some of the techniques. In my early days of trying to sell people on the concept of the EDP and it's power, I always found it difficult to do because people almost have to see it used to get what it can do..............but that's the territory with a powerful and complex tool. Some people find Andre's music to be too challenging, but I myself got really turned on seeing him play and his approach set the bar for me for the use of the instrument. It's funny, but two artists I know, Andre and Claude Voit no longer use techniques that they used to use that are techniques that really turned me on. Specifically, Andre's use of an old roland drummachine to play his loop fragments like melodic jungle patterns and Claude's use of sequencing to control the EDP) I guess artists have to grow.............but the things they did could only be done with the EDP (or I guess, now, Mobius in software). sorry for the babble, but I love the EDP.