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Re: Mahavishnu was more than speed Re: ELP and shredding
> Ah, Brian Jones Syndrome...not a bad condition to have!
> As for Mahavishnu, they were always bigger than mere
technique, for me. I loved the compositions, most of them.
How many people can ROCK AT 11/4?? (LOL)
Well, it's a different genre (not jazz/rock), but Rush, Yes,
and Dream Theater have done a pretty damn good job at
playing the heavey stuff in odd time signatures...especially
DM. But, I agree, Mahavishnu is amazing...got all their
stuff in my collection. Ever listen much to Larry Coryell?
> Those cats could. All day.
Still holds up for me... To this day, I can even hum you
John's solos, because in spite of their sheer speed, there
was a certain beauty to a lot of them. The songs play in my
head, still, and if you're gonna have a song stuck in your
head, you could do a lot worse than "Birds of Fire."
Yours in Lenny White (another fine drummer),
If you like that old McLaughlin stuff, you should check out
his "The Heart of Things" and "The Promise". On the Promise,
the song Jazz Jungle is out of this world...in fact, John
has described this as his idea of jazz fusion.
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Sent: Feb 4, 2005 12:02 AM
To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-
Subject: ELP and shredding
I recently heard "In the beginning" after a long hiatus.
What a beautiful song, even if it was atypical of ELPs
I loved that group and saw them a couple times but I have to
revisiting most of that material
it just hasn't aged well for me, personally.
At the time it was virtuosic music that was really
I remember distinctly though, my brother Bill and I going
to see an ELP
show at Winterland
and there was this band called the Mahavishnu Orchestra
opening up for them.
This was a few weeks before
their first record, Inner Mounting Flame came out and I
remember so vividly
and seeing my brother Bill, as the only standing member of
the audience with
his mouth literally hanging open
30 seconds into the first song before I realized that I too,
with my mouth hanging open...........we were the only
ones in the audience who seemed to be having that reaction
and I felt like
my whole world changed in a heartbeat.
Carl Palmer was a really, really accomplished rock drummer
and in one quick
pass of 16th note triplets across his huge
vistalite drumset, Billy Cobham annhialated him and every
drummer I had ever seen or loved for sheer speed and power.
He just ramped
it way, way the fuck up and it was amazing.
It's interesting, but for what incredible missionary zeal I
had for jazz
fusion in those early days, I find that it no longer holds
my interest, but I think sometimes that is what happens in
the life of a
musician...............frequently we go through a phase were
blows us away and inspires us to work our asses off on
technique, but it all
ultimately becomes a means to an end: the ability to
express oneself with
one's chosen instrument.
Speed and technique now mean very little to me unless it
composition and the music (which frequently it doesn't).
Bill and I laughingly refer to the excesses of the NAMM show
by calling it
because all the insecure guitar players all play 'weedela
as fast as they can at every guitar booth
all the insecure bass players play 'thwakita wakit' popping
and slapping as
fast as they can and
all the insecure drummers play ' thuggida buggida' triplet
16th rolls at
every drum booth.
Me, I specialize in playing a whole lot of instruments I
can hardly play in
front of live
should probably pay more attention
to the shredders for the sake of my audiences.