--->Only problem with DL-4--too short! 28 seconds max, so if you want to sample entire sections of a tune, they have to be less than half a minute . . . And the other delay models max out at 2.5 (only 1.25 for the reverse, my current favorite). It seems to me that you need several of these boxes for the proper sound--and lots of folks like the DD-20--as always, hear it before you buy it if possible, and be prepared to sell it otherwise. My vote is for the RC-20--I haven't seen the XL, but it seems to solve some limitations of the original(and adds loads more sample time). It too is truly "vanilla" however, so if you want the spacy delay sounds, you'll need to get that from another unit! Gary -----Original Message----- From: Legion [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 11:15 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Line 6 -DL4 or Boss DD-20 or? > I have in the past used 2 revox(es) to achieve frippertronic/terry > riley type improvisations. I'm tempted to go for the DL-4, (sounds > good from what I've seen written about it), but what is the other > serious competition, I see the Boss DD-20 boasts 23 sec. delay time w/ > sound on sound fx,. Is there anything else I should consider before I >buy? IMO the DL4 is a most interesting delay and a great *vanilla* looper. In other words the looping is pretty straightforward and simple without a lot of extra things in it. There is a short delay insdie the looper which can add some effect but otherwise it's a simple loop, reverse, 1/2 speed machine all easily available in realtime with nice big stomps switches. I looked at the newer boss loopers and if I'm not mistaken you can't reverse on the fly without a third extrenal pedal. Don't know what other features they offer. The real question you need ot ask is do you want a simple loop box or do you want something to mess up the sound on the fly inside the box once it's there. For me, there is no better *simple* and convenient loops box than the DL4. it's entirely self contained and a battery run floor unit so you don't need *anything* lese to loop. plus it's got some crazy delays in there as well so you can use it for many, MANY other things outside of looping. ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more.