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Re: Samples and looping
he fell in love with frddie bell and the bellboys' vegas version of the
song.
> Which version did Elvis fall in love
> with?
>
>
> >so true, that it is a straw man argument. of
> course, lieber had no
> >reason to remember it any differently, i'm sure, since
>
> >lieber/stoller have successfully sued for copyright
> infringement
> >more than any other songwriting team. and
> actually, elvis fell in
> >love with a completely different version of the song
> than the
> >original.
> >
> >time
> >
> >> Re: Samples and looping
> >> Well, well, well..! There's a straw
> man
> >> argument wrapped in
> >> an ad homenim attack... nobody is 'rewriting
> music
> >> history' or
> >> 'glossing over' anything... Jerry Lieber
> told me
> >> what I wrote here (on
> >> this very small mailing list) after dinner
> one
> >> day.
> >> I'm sure that your 'music lore' account
> >> has some truth to it, but
> >> I wasn't there so I can't say for sure.
> >>
> >>
> >> hound dog was written by
> >> lieber and
> >> stoller by substituting the word "hound dog"
> for
> >> the
> >> original "m-----f-----" which is what was in
> the
> >> big mama
> >> thorton original. otherwise, the
> chords, melody,
> >> arrangement and
> >> majority of the rest of the words are as she
> wrote
> >> it. this is
> >> an acknowledged part of music lore, just as
> pat boone made
> >> a whole
> >> career out of re-recording tracks from
> "race
> >> records" of the
> >> time and releasing them weeks after their
> original release
> >> to
> >> thunderous approval on the "white charts."
> >> to gloss
> >> over this unfortunate chapter of music
> history by
> >> attempting to
> >> rewrite it is disgraceful.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> time
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Fri, 8/28/09, Charles Zwicky
> >> <cazwicky@earthlink.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > From: Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net>
> >>
> >> > Subject: Re: Samples and looping
> >>
> >> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >>
> >> > Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 10:22
> AM
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > Hound Dog was written by Jerry Lieber
> and Mike Stoller
> >> who
> >>
> >> > also produced Big Mama Thornton's
> record. Elvis
> >> heard that
> >>
> >> > and loved it. He re-recorded it.
> Lieber and
> >> Stoller
> >>
> >> > still got their royalties. :)
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > > Per is arguing the law -- i.e.,
> the law protects
> >>
> >> > composer's rights. Louigi is arguing
> about what he
> >> believes
> >>
> >> > the law should say -- the composer gets
> paid by
> >> whoever
> >>
> >> > commissioned the work and after that
> it's fair
> >> game. So, in
> >>
> >> > the case of Hound Dog, unless Elvis had
> a deal with
> >> Big Mama
> >>
> >> > Thornton to write the song, in Louigi's
> world,
> >> Elvis owes
> >>
> >> > nothing for using the song. (If I've
> >> mischaracterized the
> >>
> >> > positions, I apologize.)
> >>
> >> > >
> >>
> >> > > Mark
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > -- ...
> >>
> >> > http://www.zmix.net
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> ...
> >>
> >> http://www.zmix.net
> >>
> >>
>
>
> --
> ...
> http://www.zmix.net
>
>