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Re: Samples and looping
so true, that it is a straw man argument. of course, lieber had no reason
to remember it any differently, i'm sure, since lieber/stoller have
successfully sued for copyright infringement more than any other
songwriting team. and actually, elvis fell in love with a completely
different version of the song than the original.
time
> Re: Samples and looping
> Well, well, well..! There's a straw man
> argument wrapped in
> an ad homenim attack... nobody is 'rewriting music
> history' or
> 'glossing over' anything... Jerry Lieber told me
> what I wrote here (on
> this very small mailing list) after dinner one
> day.
> I'm sure that your 'music lore' account
> has some truth to it, but
> I wasn't there so I can't say for sure.
>
>
> hound dog was written by
> lieber and
> stoller by substituting the word "hound dog" for
> the
> original "m-----f-----" which is what was in the
> big mama
> thorton original. otherwise, the chords, melody,
> arrangement and
> majority of the rest of the words are as she wrote
> it. this is
> an acknowledged part of music lore, just as pat boone made
> a whole
> career out of re-recording tracks from "race
> records" of the
> time and releasing them weeks after their original release
> to
> thunderous approval on the "white charts."
> to gloss
> over this unfortunate chapter of music history by
> attempting to
> rewrite it is disgraceful.
>
>
>
> time
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 8/28/09, Charles Zwicky
> <cazwicky@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > From: Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net>
>
> > Subject: Re: Samples and looping
>
> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>
> > Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 10:22 AM
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Hound Dog was written by Jerry Lieber and Mike Stoller
> who
>
> > also produced Big Mama Thornton's record. Elvis
> heard that
>
> > and loved it. He re-recorded it. Lieber and
> Stoller
>
> > still got their royalties. :)
>
> >
>
> > > Per is arguing the law -- i.e., the law protects
>
> > composer's rights. Louigi is arguing about what he
> believes
>
> > the law should say -- the composer gets paid by
> whoever
>
> > commissioned the work and after that it's fair
> game. So, in
>
> > the case of Hound Dog, unless Elvis had a deal with
> Big Mama
>
> > Thornton to write the song, in Louigi's world,
> Elvis owes
>
> > nothing for using the song. (If I've
> mischaracterized the
>
> > positions, I apologize.)
>
> > >
>
> > > Mark
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > -- ...
>
> > http://www.zmix.net
>
> >
>
> >
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> ...
>
> http://www.zmix.net
>
>