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Re: looping pedal with decay?

just in case you dont know ...the rc50 does true feedback but relies on an external mixer to acheive this.....although i havent tried this out for myself yet....but others have and apparently it works.
what also makes this interesting is that you can put effects on that decay loop.
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Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 3:36 AM
Subject: Re: looping pedal with decay?

thanks for the replies! I think the Gibson EDP is out of my price range, unless I can find a rediculous deal on one on Ebay, but I am glad to know that that the Boomerang does have a decay - I did not realize that. Right now that may look like the best option, although I am a bit wary of the noise that many reviewers report as my rig is already quite noisey. Another person recommended the Electro Harmonix 2880 or their 16 second delay (and mentioned that the original lexicon jamman and the electrix repeater also had a function to set the feedback). I'm glad to know that I what I want does indeed exist and for the help in narrowing it down. Now I can return the looper I bought that I thought had a set-able feedback but does not (digitech jamman). In looking at these other ones, I can't tell which ones accept more than one type of input ( e.g., instrument, mic, and line levels). I would want at least the ability to use an instrument and a mic, although I wouldn't necessarily need to be able to do both simultaneously, so long as I got quick at switching.

Does anyone else out there want to weigh in on this issue before I spend the money I don't have? The quest is for a looping pedal that takes both instrument level and line level and which you can set the feedback for the loops (versus having them loop infinitely). I currently do not have any rack equipment, is that a bridge I want to cross? Is there anything else I should be considering in a addition?

The ones mentioned so far are:

Gibson Echoplex
Boomerang plus
Electro-Harmonix 2820
Electro-Harmonix 16 second delay
Original Lexicon Jamman
Electrix Repeater



On 2/27/07, mike@michaelplishka.com <mike@michaelplishka.com> wrote:
If I read you correctly, the Gibson EDP does what you want and tons more!
I upgraded from a Boomerang plus which does have the decay but you pick it
ahead of time (i.e. 20 reps, 10, 1 or infinite I beleive)

my 2 cents...



> The only things that I know of that will do what you
> describe are delay pedals.  I think the Giga delay
> would be your best bet, but I'd also read somewhere
> that this one artist(I can't remebmer his name) uses
> Eventide rack mount processors set up with an
> algorhythm that was set with a 95% feedback so that
> his loops would decay over time. That sounds more like
> what you want, but that stuff is way expensive.  Other
> than that, sounds like all you need is a digital delay
> unit with copious anmounts of time and to be able to
> set the  feedback setting as needed to make the loops
> decay over time.
> --- radio radio <radiotelevision@gmail.com > wrote:
>> I want to buy a pedal and get into looping but am
>> having trouble
>> figuring out which one will best meet my needs (and
>> budget). I've
>> learned a LOT from this web site, but still can't
>> quite figure out
>> everything and would really benefit from a human
>> (albeit
>> computer-mediated) interaction. Thanks in advance
>> for taking the time
>> to read this and respond - I hope that I will be
>> able to "give back"
>> some day when I know something worth while. Until
>> then, I guess I
>> should donate to this site if I get any responses.
>> From what I've read and thought about, it looks like
>> what will be the
>> most important distinction for me is that the loops
>> will be able to
>> decay. In other words, you can lay down a loop, lay
>> down another one
>> on top, and then another, and so on, and eventually
>> the first one dies
>> out, then the second one, and so on. I imagine this
>> working like a
>> delay pedal in which you can set the decay (or is
>> that called
>> feedback?). So you could "morph" over time into new
>> things, without
>> being stuck with your original loops, and without
>> having to open a new
>> loop and start from scratch with only one new track
>> each time  you
>> wanted to change it up.
>> The three pedals I've looked into are:
>> BOSS RC20xl, Digitech Jamman, and BOSS DD-20 giga
>> delay
>> I thought the BOSS was it, but now I'm thinking that
>> it doesn't allow
>> this thing that I described. I can't tell if you can
>> do this with the
>> Jamman or not - does anyone know? You could do this
>> with the DD-20,
>> but I can't tell if you'd be able to set a
>> loop/delay time up with
>> your foot or not (versus having to set it to a
>> certain number of
>> seconds and then hope you can keep your riff to that
>> length) or if
>> there would be other difficulties that I'm not aware
>> of if you're
>> using this as a looping pedal when it's built to be
>> a delay.
>> Should I be considering a different pedal? I don't
>> really need a delay
>> pedal - I want a loop pedal that decays. I don't
>> really need to be
>> able to save my loops - I just want to be able to
>> set them up on the
>> fly. I don't need to be able to save them on my
>> computer. I don't need
>> to be able to plug in a separate mic or instrument
>> in addition to the
>> guitar, although that would be a definite bonus for
>> me. I don't need a
>> long amount of time - I'm guessing 23 seconds is
>> plenty. I don't know
>> if I need the ability to set up separate loops or
>> not - I certainly
>> wouldn't mind, but I don't know enough about using a
>> looper yet to
>> know about that. Also, how important is
>> 'auto-quanitze'? Lastly, I
>> don't have a lot of money to spend, so the echoplex
>> is right out. The
>> boomerang is also too expensive, and anyway I'm
>> affraid of the noise
>> issues that people have written about with that one.
>> I haven't really
>> learned about any other pedals out there.
>> Thanks again!
>> Eben
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