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Re: Considering building an ultimate looper...

We are on to looping nirvana here...a hardware Mobius, a VST EDP and Looperlative.....I'd donate to the pool of development dollars for a VST Looperlative or EDP. Not that Mobius isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread...I'm just looping VST greedy. I'm run them all in my VST host!
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Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper...

Seriously!  Not to beat a dead horse, but a hardware Mobius host (even if it was just a mini-PC that boots straight into Mobius with onboard audio/midi i/o) would be incredible.


midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote:
Well, the hardware version wouldn't munch up your CPU. So you could use Ableton Live and all its goodies. And Mac users could use it.
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From: Joshua Carroll <josh@infinivert.com>
Oooh, and it would be even better if it had 8 stereo EDPs that could run in or out of sync with eachother...

Oh wait, we're describing Mobius again...

Ha!  :)


midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote:
I'll tell you exactly what the ultimate looper is. Save you some trouble.
Essentially it would be a stereo (or even surround) Echoplex. All the same functions.
Rock solid syncing capabilities. No drifting!!
Custom foot controller similer to the FCB1010, except smaller. With 10 or so built in options of layouts. But also capable of custom layouts.
10 gigs of storage.
Small Bluetooth LCD display screen that can be mounted to a mic stand.
Firewire, or USB connections.
Balanced and Unbalanced outs.
VST interface so the entire unit can be placed into DAW's and be controlled seamlessly.
1 Rack space
under $300
Free 24 hour support line.
Now, get busy.
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From: "GORDIUS info" <info@gordius.be>

> I'd like to add one question to this :
> What kind of (physical) volume control device do you target, Bob? Something
> else than a foot pedal?
> I'm asking, because I am currently testing out a new design for a
> MIDI-controlled foot pedal. And to me it seems that the "physical range" of
> a standard foot pedal is no more than 7 bit. I mean : I have trouble making
> small enough movements to change the control value with 1 single step in the
> 128-value range. Therefore I believe a 10-bit ADC wouldn't make any sense
> when using a footpedal, but maybe you have another type of controller in
> mind?
> (if you intend to manipulate the linear footpedal range and make it a
> non-linear transition cur ve, I would believe you will get much better
> results just using a 7-bit to n-bit lookup table in firmware, rather than
> doing it with some analog signal manipulation followed by 10-bit AD
> conversion).
> Xavier
> http://www.gordius.be
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeffrey Larson [mailto:jeff@zonemobius.com]
> Sent: zaterdag 17 februari 2007 23:35
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Considering building an ultimate looper...
> Ok, here's some friendly advice.
> Be careful tossing out words like "ultimate looper" on this list. So far > you've described a rather basic looper, except that you seem to be obsessed
> with the resolution of the output level control. In all the wish lists and
> product reviews that appear regularly on this list, this is not a feature
> that I remember being mentioned.
> If you're intending to compete in the hardware looper market, I would be
> much more concerned about things like continuous feedback, synchronization
> with external MIDI clocks, pitch and rate shifting, and "editing" functions
> like insert, multiply, replace, etc.
> Second, the insinuation that the Looperlative is not "professional level" is
> likely to annoy the many professional level musicians that use it, as well
> as the professional level musicians that use other devices and software with
> a MIDI volume control.
> Quick show of hands. Does anyone find that their musical ambitions are
> bei ng stymied by the resolution of their volume pedal?
> I don't doubt that there are devices that could do a better job smoothing
> controller changes, or providing a more musically useful attenuation curve
> at the top end of the range. But there are software soluti ons to these
> problems that are quite effective if not perfect.
> I don't mean to sound discouraging, but this strikes me as a rather odd
> feature to be focusing on. Before you start investing money in this
> venture, be sure you have a good understanding of the market for hardware
> loopers.
> Jeff