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Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete...



I love this post.

Absolutely delightful to read. I think the reason you are "now rosy 
cheeked and losing weight"....is probably from carrying heavy gear to 
gigs? :-)

I think you are off-base in your description of differences, though. 
You describe one possibility with max: performance oriented patch. but 
you can also do other things....

> Its a head thing... Reactor makes you think of music, whereas Max make 
> you think of Concepts.

Musicians can think music or concepts with either package....I'm 
thinking of music when patching in max....I know others do it as 
well.....


> Max/msp is so much more designed for specific application, as in.. 
> think up a audio concept that requires some computer magic, and 
> construct the tool for the job. This could be processing a string 
> quartet by "applying" algorithms based on Moterhead samples for 
> quadraphonic playback, or slicing drumloops into 256 pieces where each 
> slice is randomly pitched and panned based on the skin resistance of a 
> sleeping child.

That is certainly one possibility, and one that I would like to 
see/hear!!!! But you can also do other things...like create a vst host 
that works like YOU want it to.....

Krispen, chime in here....!

> Reactor, is more for the guy who wants to build a flexible 
> environment/tool (read sequencer or processor) that fits his future 
> musical plans, and will therefore be more complex and varied, and will 
> probably see more use as a personal tool, past the one off performance 
> thingy that Max would make...


Reaktor can run inside of max...best of both worlds, if you want them.

My goal with my software instrument was to make a replacement for my 
150 plus pounds of pedals and hardware.

Done. In max. Flexible environment/tool created. Easy to upgrade/modify 
in the future.

And it does more than those pedals.

I just wish Mobius was ported to mac.....that would be awesome....

> My general impression of both of these packages is that they suck the 
> living blood outa you, your skin goes grey, you start to smell of dead 
> cells cigerettes and pizza, your friends talk about you when you are 
> not there, and you dont talk much to them when they are there... 
> evil... dark....and grim....and my personal favorites... audio much 
> and synthedit.... are both just slightly less dangerous than heroin. 
> Just say NO...

love it! :-)

best,
Jeff


On Sep 30, 2006, at 2:54 AM, markfrancombe.com wrote:

> As someone who has worked quite a bit in both these apps, I can say 
> that although there is no difference in the capabilities or the sound 
> quality of both, there is a MASSIVE (please imagine font size 72) 
> difference in "what one actually DOES with them!"
>
> Max/msp is so much more designed for specific application, as in.. 
> think up a audio concept that requires some computer magic, and 
> construct the tool for the job. This could be processing a string 
> quartet by "applying" algorithms based on Moterhead samples for 
> quadraphonic playback, or slicing drumloops into 256 pieces where each 
> slice is randomly pitched and panned based on the skin resistance of a 
> sleeping child.
> WHEREAS:
> Reactor, is more for the guy who wants to build a flexible 
> environment/tool (read sequencer or processor) that fits his future 
> musical plans, and will therefore be more complex and varied, and will 
> probably see more use as a personal tool, past the one off performance 
> thingy that Max would make...
>
> Its a head thing... Reactor makes you think of music, whereas Max make 
> you think of Concepts. Therefore ones Max patch tends to be minimal 
> "experiments" and ones Reactor Patches tend to be 
> full-on-floor-stomping-aspirin-chewing-noisy-nighmares...
>
> My general impression of both of these packages is that they suck the 
> living blood outa you, your skin goes grey, you start to smell of dead 
> cells cigerettes and pizza, your friends talk about you when you are 
> not there, and you dont talk much to them when they are there... 
> evil... dark....and grim....and my personal favorites... audio much 
> and synthedit.... are both just slightly less dangerous than heroin. 
> Just say NO...
>
> just mho
>
> mark francombe
> (who uses NO computers in the making of his music... anymore... and is 
> now rosy cheeked and losing weight!!! All you augustas/mobius/live 
> type people... beware, here speaks the words of truth from a 
> recovering addict, now sit down relax and dream of those enigmatic 
> metal boxes with flashing lights and real cables... racks... and now 
> when you are completely relaxed ask yourself this question, "am I 
> using a laptop cos its easier to get to gigs?")
>
>
> marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for 
> www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com

Jeff Kaiser
http://www.JeffKaiser.com
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