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Actually, wouldn't Indigo would actually be faster than a firewire system? I think CardBus is faster than Firewire (I could be wrong). Wow... I'm posting too much today... must stop... --Josh Krispen Hartung wrote: > Yes, latency can certainly be a showstopper! I don't experience any > significant latency on my system, mainly cause I did the research to > find an audio interface and driver that would minimize it, plus > ensured my system had the performance to support it. I plug directly > into my laptop and Indigo IO card...not major latency problems, and I > use this system to perform, record, etc...with headphones, through a > PA, and so on. > > I am fairly compulsive about these things, and I wouldn't have sold > thousands of dollars of gear and put my Looperlative laptop rack > system up for sale if the laptop system didn't meet my technological > and usability needs. > > But a buyer of this laptop system package wouldn't have to worry about > this. That's part of the package...getting a system that doesn't sound > like crap out of the box. I suppose part of the testing would include > some specs on the overall system latency...there is always some > present, so that really compulsive users with stringent latency > requirements can decide whether the system meets their needs. You get > what you pay for. If the Indigo IO card doesn't meet someone's > requirements, then add one of those fancy firewire interfaces to the > package...just adds to the cost. > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: <noone@jbro.us> > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 9:55 AM > Subject: RE: Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages" > > >> I agree... with the I/O latency issues that plague current computer >> audio >> setups, I can't see going out of my way to buy a laptop for use as a >> looper. >> Since I already own one, though, I use Live and Mobius occasionally >> at home. >> However, the latency issue keeps me from incorporating it into my >> live rig. >> This is, in my opinion, the primary advantage hardware units have over >> software setups right now (aside from perhaps durability/stability >> issues to >> some extent). Personally I have never quite grasped why cheaper, slower >> hardware units measure their I/O latency in picoseconds, while our >> much more >> powerful computer systems have noticeable delays. That's a bit OT, >> though. >> >> Krispen - are you running some type of parallel setup with delay >> compensation to combat the monitoring latency? >> >> Jesse >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Charles Zwicky [mailto:cazwicky@earthlink.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 10:42 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages" >> >> Krispen, >> >> I think that the rationalization behind software looping is that you >> already own a computer, and that the interfaces which you need to get >> it all working can be used for some other purpose down the line. Is >> it possible to interest someone in an entry level laptop for a >> specific application? Why not run some numbers by us so we can see if >> it is even feasible to offer such a package? >> >> >> >> >>> I got to thinking wiht my day job hat on, and these days when it is >>> becoming harder and harder to make money off of technological >>> products, because of competition, pricing preasures, consolidation, >>> and the overall commotization of consumer products, the long term >>> money is in services. >>> >>> How do services pertain to looping gear? I may be giving away a >>> great marketing/business opportunity here, but it seems to me if >>> someone had the resources they could sell "laptop looping packages". >>> Part of the problem with some folks getting into laptop looping is >>> that it can be painful buying a laptop that will do the job, buying >>> all the gear to connect to it and get started, upgrading, etc, etc. >>> These things take time for the looping consumer, and time is money. >>> And there are risks that come along with building your own laptop >>> system, such as teh overall system not working as expected because >>> of hardware/software compatibility, and so on. And this too equates >>> to time or rework, which again equates to money. >>> >>> So basically the "laptop looping package" would be a system that >>> someone experience and knowledgeable would construct and test, and >>> then sell as a ready to go looping system. You could sell different >>> types and grades of packages, For instance, a very basic setup might >>> include an entry level laptop, inexpensive cardbus soundcard, Mobius >>> installed, and a cheap MIDI controller like the MIDI Mouse, MIDI >>> Moose, or some other small controller. Then your totally kick ass >>> package might include a screaming Intel Duo machine, an external >>> firewire audio/midi interface, and a Behringer controller. Or better >>> yet, the deluxe pacakge would include a VST host and a ton of free >>> VST effects, all ready to work. >>> >>> The Service here, which you can't bottle up or put in a box, is the >>> expertise and knowledge of constructing a looping kit or ensemble >>> that works right out of the box. So, if I were a new looper >>> interested in getting a laptop looping system, I would buy one of >>> these package, turn it on, and it would essentially work >>> immediately, everthing down to the Behringer buttons mapped to >>> Mobius functions, buttons labeled, etc. Then of course, I could >>> customize it after that point. >>> >>> It wouldn't take much to get started on this idea. I don't have the >>> time to do it, but if I did I would assemble just 2-3 looping >>> packages and sell them...and then use the profit to buy more >>> packages, etc. >>> >>> Incidentally, there are a lot of smart cookies making money hand >>> over fist using this re-packaging concept on eBay. Folk are actually >>> buying products on eBay, packaging them up based on a theme of some >>> sort, and selling them for a profit. Why would people buy something >>> like this when they could buy the individual items themselves? Well, >>> this sort of answers the question...the value is in the service or >>> the convienence of not having to do the research or spend the time >>> to do this. >>> >>> >************************************************************************** > >>> >>> Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar >>> www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung >>> My Tribe: http://people.tribe.net/krispen-hartung >>> info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 >>> Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm >>> CD Baby Discography (CDs for only $5): http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung >> >> >> -- >> ... >> http://www.zmix.net >> >> >> >> > > > > >