Re: how do you correct a bad loop on stage, etc

["Charlie Milkey" <pilotcp@gmail.com>]

for me, i agree with angulo and his davis quote. If something does
sound like it went a little sour, then i just keep playing and work
with it...if things are going horribly wrong and i am looping with my
two MoFXs, then i just turn the feedback knob down from "loop" and let
it fade out and start the next improv...if i am using my jamman and
things go wrong, then i either fade it out manually by turning the
blend knob more towards the input, or i will pull up a few effects
with a completly different sound and hit the stop and immediatly play
something totally different and loop that...i am eagerly awaiting my
purchase of a riff box specifically for these fadeout situations, the
riff box has a preset where you can fade out loop A while
simultaniously recording loop B (without overdubing A). I was
originally excited for it for ambient music, to smoothly shift (and
blend) from one key to another, but it could be a good safeguard for
when loops go wrong too :)

Charlie

On 7/28/06, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
> Interesting side topic from this...I have yet to experience my laptop or 
>VST
> host crash during a performance. So what would I do if this occurred?  
>I'd
> naturally play off the prior themes I was creating with my loops and
> effects, and continue that thread of feel  in solo...just the guitar, dry
> with no effects or looping...I'd do that for a while and then naturally 
>end
> the piece, take a break, and then reboot.  In short, I'd make it "appear"
> all planned, like most professionals in the entertainment business would 
>do.
> The show must go on. Of course, the fear of doing otherwise is probably a
> defect of my compulsive personality, and an overly exaggurated sense of
> self-pride in my work.
>
> I always cringe when most musicians make mistakes or experience gear 
>issues
> and then make the audience aware of this in detail, completely blowing 
>the
> feel of the performance. Some performers have a good sense of humor and 
>can
> pull it off, making jokes and making the audience laugh at the 
>technological
> blunder...others stumble around and it comes across as really awkward and
> unprofessional.  And then my biggest pet peeve is when performers make
> mistakes and insist on telling the audience this, self-deprecating
> themselves in the process. "whoops, sorry, oh, let's try that 
>again...sorry,
> I need to practice, etc, etc".  I feel so embarrassed for people when 
>they
> do that. I prefer that they just keep going rather than repeat the 
>mistake
> or section ad nauseum, as if they have to get it right to move on.
>
> Kris
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "L.A. Angulo" <labaloops@yahoo.com>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 12:52 AM
> Subject: Re: Favorite Five Threads on L.D.
>
>
> >
> > Do it man!
> > i guess the question about correcting a loop that has
> > gone wrong would apply more to loops that are supposed
> > to be perfect in sync or when trying to play something
> > really "groovy" rhythmically.This is why the EDP has
> > become my looper of preference,with this machine i can
> > comfortably make music out of mistakes,its non latency
> > response and well thought out edit capabilities give
> > me the most confidence onstage.With the repeater i
> > often had little groove problems,i often had to adapt
> > to its little latency which made it a bit
> > uncomfortable,although i will miss a lot of its cool
> > features like panning,pitch shifting track muting etc.
> > so i would just say to the audience stay with me folks
> > i promise i will get it right;-)
> > cheers
> > Luis
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Can I post again? Please? :)
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "L.A. Angulo" <labaloops@yahoo.com>
> >>
> >> > what percentage of loopers go and play 100%
> >> improvised
> >> > loops or arranged premeditated loops on stage?
> >>
> >> That's my bag all right....everything I do these
> >> days is totally
> >> spontaneous. It's like doing drugs, but it's legal.
> >>
> >> > how do you correct a bad loop on stage,stop
> >> > abruptly,bullshit your way while tweaking or
> >> shoe/rack
> >> > gazing until u get it right?
> >>
> >> To play off a famous quote of Miles Davis, "Do not
> >> be afraid of errors.
> >> There are no errors", I never play bad or incorrect
> >> loops.  On occasion, I
> >> might play something that doesn't ring well with me
> >> emotionally (neither
> >> correct nor
> >> incorrect), but I always manage to work with it
> >> somehow. It becomes part of
> >> me just like all my other personality, physical, and
> >> psychological flaws as
> >> a
> >> human being. Even if I loop something rhythmic and
> >> my foot fails me (maybe
> >> because I have had one too many cups of coffee or
> >> drank too much alcohol),
> >> generating a loop that is an 8th note longer rather
> >> than what my brain
> >> wanted to do
> >> initially, that instantly becomes the norm and basis
> >> of what I do
> >> afterwards. I don't really care if I intend on
> >> playing a 4/4 phrase but it
> >> ends
> >> up being 9/8 or 7/8, or even something like 13/8 or
> >> 11/8. In fact, I don't
> >> even
> >> count anymore. I never know what time signature I am
> >> in unless I consciously
> >> stop to figure it out. It's a waste of my time.
> >> Everything is feel to me
> >> now.
> >>
> >> > for those who do or care how do you keep your
> >> audience
> >> > interested,do you always loop?
> >>
> >> I loop. I try to talk, but I never say what I want
> >> to say. Music is much
> >> easer as
> >> language for me in public. I prefer to play non-stop
> >> and say thank you at
> >> the end of the show.
> >>
> >> > whats the best looping show you´ve been to? what
> >> made
> >> > it so great?
> >>
> >> I really enjoyed watching Jeff Kaiser, Rick Walker,
> >> and Ted Killian
> >> at the Boise Experimental Music Festival.  I liked
> >> it when some folks
> >> were talking in the crowd, and then Jeff started
> >> looping him self
> >> whispering "stop talking".  Classic, I loved it. And
> >> their set was great.
> >> Good chemistry, lots of space and diverse sounds,
> >> etc, etc.
> >>
> >> > What makes you feel free while playing
> >> music?organized
> >> > or improvised?
> >>
> >> Improvised...as free as a person can get, at least,
> >> metaphorically.  I tend
> >> to subscribe
> >> to hard determinism these days...no free will, just
> >> chemistry, neurons,
> >> cause and effect, and necessity. I think I'm
> >> determined to do what I do.
> >> Everything is a result of a cause, ad infinitum.
> >> That would be an
> >> unproveable premise, btw.
> >>
> >> > i know some of this has been brought up in the
> >> past
> >> > perhaps but i think we all could use a
> >> refreshment!
> >> > Luis
> >>
> >> Thanks for asking!
> >>
> >> Kris
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > --- tEd (r) kiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hehehe, it would be nice to hear from some of the
> >> >> young'ins . . .
> >> >>
> >> >> Some of my favorites went something like:
> >> >>
> >> >> 1. Why do you play (or loop) -- what was the
> >> journey
> >> >> that brought you
> >> >> here?
> >> >>
> >> >> 2.  Where does your music come from -- what
> >> inspires
> >> >> you to create it?
> >> >>
> >> >> 3.  What are some of your  musical influences --
> >> or
> >> >> looping influences
> >> >> -- and why?
> >> >>
> >> >> 4.  What are some of your favorite ways of using
> >> >> your instrument or FX
> >> >> gear in manners other than that it was designed
> >> for?
> >> >>
> >> >> 5. What keeps you going -- sustains you when you
> >> run
> >> >> into a "wall",
> >> >> carries you through when obstacles arise or when
> >> >> you're simply tired,
> >> >> uninspired or "bored" -- or what gets you out of
> >> a
> >> >> musical "rut."
> >> >>
> >> >> Peace,
> >> >>
> >> >> tEd (r) kiLLiAn
> >> >>
> >> >> "Different is not always better, but better is
> >> >> always different"
> >> >>
> >> >>   http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
> >> >>   http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
> >> >>   http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
> >> >>   http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?
> >> >>
> >> >> step=view_profile&id=121197000042
> >> >>
> >> >>   Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available
> >> at:
> >> >> Apple iTunes,
> >> >>   BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet,
> >> >> DiscLogic, Napster,
> >> >>   AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents,
> >> >> Etherstream,
> >> >>   RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic,
> >> >> Puretracks,
> >> >>   and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah,
> >> blah.
> >> >> So???
> >> >>
> >> >> On Jul 26, 2006, at 1:30 PM, loop.pool wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > So many people have joined this list in recent
> >> >> years
> >> >> > that it might be fun to revisit some of the
> >> >> classic threads
> >> >> > on creativity,  discussions of philosophy,
> >> >> techniques for improving
> >> >> > live performances, etc.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I know that, personally,  these are always the
> >> >> threads that have
> >> >> > fascinated
> >> >> > me and made me love being on this list.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The oldtimers have weighed in on these subjects
> >> >> but it would be cool
> >> >> > to hear what the newest loopers have to say.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What were your favorite five threads on this
> >> list
> >>
> > === message truncated ===
> >
> >
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> >
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