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AW: the music of the Otto Cycle Re: Who out there has the knowledge to design/build this looper?

I remember this project done by Volkswagen during the development of the
New Beetle. They would invite people (VW customers without any
professional automotive background). They had two cars: one normal car,
one where the audio system would generate cool engine/exhaust sounds
based on engine variables - which they didn't tell their guests. Then
they asked the guys to compare both cars with regards to performance and

You all can guess the result: most people judged that the car with the
audio system had better performance and handling ;)

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Timothy Mungenast [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net] 
Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Februar 2005 02:57
An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff: the music of the Otto Cycle Re: Who out there has the knowledge
to design/build this looper?

As a car freak *and* a musician, I feel that car exhaust can be just as
harmonically complex as a more traditional instrument. When Mazda was
developing the first-gen Miata, they had a guy listening day-in/day-out
to tapes of classic sports cars, trying to understand the desired
overtones so that his cowokers could then approximate them. They had
that much respect for the sound.

I, for one, am impressed.

In fact, a few years ago I saw one of the classic cars they had been
studying so feverishly, an Austin Healey, blasting down Rte 128, and I
rolled down my window to hear the music. It sounded like the wonderful
15th-fret harmonic chord that Robbie Krieger used to start the Doors'
"L.A. Woman." Unbelievable.

Yours in Sound,
Tim Mungenast


> [Original Message]
> From: Richard Zvonar <zvonar@zvonar.com>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Date: 2/26/2005 2:05:52 PM
> Subject: Re: Who out there has the knowledge to design/build this 
> looper?
> At 10:03 AM +0100 2/26/05, Chuck Scholtz wrote:
> >Two things we want everyone to know.
> >
> >First, we researched the existing availability of products as well
> >as doing a patent search, but we couldn't locate an existing patent 
> >for the project that we have envisioned.
> >Second, the "music" in an exhaust system is much less complex than
> >in actual musical instruments, accordingly our quality expectations 
> >and specifications are minimal for our product application.  Due to 
> >the higher costs and skills required in using a Physical Modeling 
> >(PM) approach, we are looking to handle this project with a less 
> >expensive FM Wavetable synthesis strategy.
> It may well be that products based on the technology I mentioned have
> not yet hit market, but as of 2000 the physical modeling techniques 
> for car engine simulation were functional and ready for licensing. 
> The company has since been acquired by a major chip manufacturer, and 
> I expect that car engines are low on their priority list.
> -- 
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