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Re: playing w/ dj's

excerpts from the latest debate:

>It might be supremely innovative and sometimes original how some folks
>utilize such an electronic device or sampling unit for that matter to create
>(or more accurately, composite) music, but at the most a turntable can
>only be used AS a musical instrument.
following that line-of-thinking, i might then also conclude (like many
already have done & may continue to do so, in future) that a looping device
'isn't a musical instrument', either --- indeed, it might be construed as one
step further *away* from actually being a sound-'generator' --- (unless, of
course, it's in a feedback-loop) --- than a turntable;
oddly, i think i've been subject to this attitudinal mien, nearly my entire
adult life.....

Something that a person can use to make a sound - how could it NOT be a
musical instrument, if used with intent?  
I remember hearing a John Cage performance, about 1985 or 6.  He used
nothing.  He made sounds with his mouth.  
One could wield anything in the manner of a composer.  Especially a pencil,
or more appropriately, an eraser.  And improvising is spontanteous
composition, right?  
I've heard lots of stuff about 'What Is Art?'  Art is intent, for me.

>I was saying that the collaborative
>dynamic is very, very different.
yeah. but -not to be fatuous, here- what isn't 'different'?
every interaction w/every individual (&/or set of) musician(s) i've *ever*
played w/has revealed/grown its own dynamic: drummers, bands, saxophonists,
100-piece orchestras, sarodists, chainsaws, turntables, etc.....

Just as every conversation or thread has its own dynamic too.

>When was the last time more than two
>DJs got together in the same room to "play" together, anyway?

Back in school, Jack Petersen used to say: "That's the great thing about
guitars - two guitarists can play together.  You ever seen a couple of
plumbers get together and do their thing?  Or trombone players?"

i mean no harm; just gotta speak-my-nonsensical-piece, here, once inna
there's kim to thank (or, blame), fer that.
dt / s-c

Actually, dt's are pretty much the only posts to LD I read consistently...