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Re: playing w/ dj's

A handful of quick comments and queries which arise in mine own head from 

-- It's ironic, to me, that so many "musicians" lament the apparent 
(much less the ability) of DJs to play with them, when there are in fact so
many musicians who instantly disparage the very notion of playing with a DJ

-- How many decades ago was it that John Cage wrote the piece for multiple

-- The analytical arguments about the point at which a turntable is or is 
an instrument reminds me of a barbed comment in a set of Andres Segovia 
notes which criticised "Those who dare to call themselves guitarists, while
remaining umbilically attached to a current of electricity in order to 
their so-called music making."

-- You've gotta love a debate regarding the status of a DJ as a 
on account of their not playing a "real instrument," on a mailing list
dedicated to making music via electronic signal processing.

-- And most of all, I have to wonder...

...exactly what gets accomplished by trying to objectively determine 
whether or
not a DJ is or isn't a musician?  Or whether or not a turntable is or is 
not a
"true" musical instrument?

To me, the more relevant consideration is:

what does the end result SOUNDS LIKE?  Is there anything being SAID?

I've seen Nels Cline play mind-boggling stuff using such "non-instruments" 
as a
delay pedal, a screwdriver, and a kitchen utensil.  I saw Miroslav Tadic 
play a
duo show a few weeks ago at the Knitting Factory with a DJ, and it was
tremendously musical and inspiring.

I saw DJ Disc do a show with Praxis (Bill Laswell, Buckethead, and Brain 
in the
lineup) where he scratched for the entire length of the set; not once did 
actually just spin the record, or give any indication as to what record he 
playing.  At a later show on the same tour, he set fire to his turntable 
lighter fluid.

Kind of reminds me of another guy a few decades back who used to light his
guitar on fire... who also got criticized because he was playing
different-sounding music that some people couldn't hear, on a thing some 
didn't recognize as a valid instrument.

Personally, I DON'T CARE if anyone in particular does or does not 
decide that a DJ is or is not a musician, or a turntable is or is not an
instrument.  Regardless of whatever anyone decides for themselves (or 
else), it still sounds like whatever it sounds like.

And if I dig the sound that comes out, I'm still gonna listen and enjoy.

This concludes my deep thought for the month...

Andre LaFosse | Disruption Theory | http://www.altruistmusic.com
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(Derek Sivers, president, CD Baby)

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pyrotechnics and burning sounds, but with a sensitivity to weirdness and
experimentation. Disruption Theory reveals the difference it makes when
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'unique'." (Expose Magazine, October 2000)

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