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Re: Sound vs function - refuting myself
WAIT! I just remembered! There is a lap steel sample on
www.asherguitars.com by Steiner Gregertsen, "Heaven Only Knows" (Beach
Boy's song) that sounds tremendous. I wrote him and asked what amp he
used and it was one of the Line amp modelers. It was just a modeling of a
black face Fender. So it COULD be that if you don't use a ton of effects,
if you don't push these boxes too hard, overwhelm the buss with tons of
stuff, they sound good.
I don't know. Never owned a multi effects gizmo other than the old Ibanex
UE400 and the Ensoniq DP/4.
Wise men say, "Never say never"! Now I'm eating my own crow!
Richard Sales
Sent from my IPad
www.glasswing.com
On Jun 19, 2011, at 4:41 AM, Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@googlemail.com>
wrote:
> Yes man the Ethos is the best preamp ive tried so far going directly
> into the board!
> even better i run it through a little compact 60 watt AER acoustic
> guitar amp and then into the board man with my gretsch through those
> what a sound!
> and portable enough to take in the train,plus your back spine will
> smile again,thats why my 50 watt koch sits in my room ever since!
> i m with Bill,i think im done with the multi fx proccessors thing,is a
> bit tiresome having to travel through menus to tweak simple and
> essential things like EQs in patches,
> i ve had multi fx proccesors for years,my first one the korg A3 and
> then the the Roland GP100 which i kept ofr a long long time,the i
> finally updated to a GT 10
> but recently i realized that it had been collecting dust and ive gone
> back to basics,one tone and fx,perhaps the fact that ive been playing
> acoustic guitar for a few years now has made me strip down.
> So i ended up selling my GT10 and right now im happy with a basic
> setup, the ethos preamp and the M9.
> On the software side i have to say though that im impressed with
> guitar rig,though ive always been hardware i actually like the guitar
> tones better than all of those hardware mulit fx proccessors,
> If i run it through the rme 400 and then directly into the board and
> setup the buffer size correctly i get no dramatic latency issues and
> it makes a great guitar amp emulator and proccessor,
> though ive still yet to try it live!
> Luis
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> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:55 AM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>
> wrote:
>> As a fellow tone snob I feel your pain, I'm still stuck in hardware
>> mode
>> and I'm able to do what you want with out involving a computer, but
>> there
>> are few hardware choices available that can do multiple loops and mine,
>> the
>> LP-1 is currently out of production and the roland rc 50 has been
>> discontinued. When the time comes for me to move to software I will
>> still
>> continue to use a small hardware front end and smaller floor looper as
>> both
>> a safety net and also because I still prefer analog, even solid state
>> over
>> modeling for guitar tones. To wit, my Custom Tones Ethos preamp
>> offers a
>> scant two channels of guitar tone, essentially a clean and a dirty
>> channel
>> with an extra boost on the dirty channel, but it has an excellent
>> speaker
>> emulator output, so I can get great guitar tones even if I have to run
>> direct. Its like a dumble amp in a box, and I'm fortunate enough to have
>> played a few in my time. Effects are another matter as i can really see
>> putting a lap top to good use with both pre and post effects. Right now
>> I
>> tend to have my effects pre loop when playing live and honestly I like
>> the
>> fact that my ethos and M-9 and timefactor and other effects are easy to
>> change on the fly, the frustration I have found with all in one
>> modeling/effects amps is how clumsy they have tended to be when needing
>> to
>> change eq and parameter settings on the fly. To much bass for the room?
>> what
>> are you going to do, tweak every preset you have created each time you
>> move
>> to a new one? i think the new modeling amp choices are much better than
>> when I was using them , and they have addressed a number of these
>> issues,
>> but they still feel and sound a bit flat to my ears. Plus I'm a bit
>> tired of
>> endless menus, and LCD screens. Time spent editing effects parameters
>> and
>> learning new platforms is time not making music, and currently I'm more
>> interested in making music with the tools I have, which as of yet have
>> not
>> proved limiting. So if I was making the leap, I think i'd keep as much
>> analog front end as possible, but keep it simple, and use a combo of
>> Abelton
>> and Mobius, becaues cool people in the know said so, and because Jeff
>> Larson has a dog almost as cute as mine , and what ever cool plugs I
>> could
>> get my hands on, I would start to integrate...slowly. I'd start with
>> some
>> Expert Sleepers stuff, because Os makes cool plugins, and I'd become
>> an
>> absolute pest to many of you on this list.
>> Bill
>>
>>
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