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Re: Re: Piano lessons advice (O.T.)
I yield to the maestro with great respect!
I always disclaim with my relative level of ignorance, by the way.
Musings are sometimes efficacious, however, and I started out
really, as a drummer, which is why I'll venture out
with an opinion. You never can tell when it will be helpful.
Nice points, Rainer! The huge one I missed is the octave organization
which is vastly clearer on the piano than the guitar.
Honestly, I prefer looking at harmony on a piano rather than a guitar,
though I did learn a little bit about the former first. It is because
of this
octave orientation and the spacial orientation of chords.
Also, I should have qualified my statement about the white keys as a point
of departure. What I meant was that I learned how to spell chords and
play various and sundry scales (most of them ethnic originally when they
actually fit onto a chromatic western instrument) using C as a beginning
point. Of course, one needs to know more than 7 notes to play even a
lot of pop music, so sorry for the seeming naivity of that point. Sorry
I wrote that so quickly without a proof read. Thanks for catching it.
Now, how is your guitar playing coming along? It's a blast, isn't it?
I won't be a Gismonti in this lifetime, I'm afraid, but there is music in
that thing, isn't there?
rick walker
On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote:
> (all of my statements describe my personal learning experiences here,
> which might differ from those of others, and actually be
> counter-intuitive or even inefficient):
> Piano is very neatly organized in octaves, and how fingering stays
> constant from octave to octave, which the guitar is not so much, at
> least not intuitively (the major 3rd between G and B string doesn't
> help here...). However, the guitar is (with the exception of the major
> 3rd...) more consistent with intervals, e.g. 2 frets = one tone, 1
> string up 1 fret back = major 4rd etc, which the piano is not (unless
> you're counting keys, which, due to the white/black logic, is not the
> intuitive way to perceive it). On the piano, the step from the goal to
> play a certain chord to fingering the right keys is chord -> intervals
> -> notes -> fingering, i.e. from "maj7 on B" you go via "major third,
> minor third, major third" to "B D# F# A#" to the actual hand position.
> And this works well in all keys (and imo it actually helps if you
> start doing so early on). And btw, you'll have a hard time even
> playing standard pop/rock/blues chords when sticking with white keys.
> Let's say you want a blues - do it in A (because its similar to
> Aeolian), so you have the chords Am (works fine), Dm (works fine), Am
> (works fine), E7 - buggers. Same if you play major (in C), and then
> want to emphasise the tonic's double role as the subdominant's
> dominant by adding a 7...
>
> That being said - I'm mostly curious about the "guitarists who later
> picked up piano and are famous for both" suggestions!
>