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Re: OT: VG-99 & GR-300 (was: Moog Guitar)
Thanks for the link! I was *almost* regretting my GR300 investment until I
read the bit about latency, as well as the sustain issue. Latency in the
20-25ms range, even if it's consistent across registers, is a total
buzzkill. And the sustain issue is a bit of a drag as well. Nonetheless,
in the unlikely event that I ever go back to touring for a living, I would
probably check in to it for the convenience/reliability factor.
Back to the Moog guitar...after I ordered one I begged Wayne to build one
more RC-1324-PDL V2 so I could put a GK3 on the Moog and play the GR300
with it. And he did! I think there' only one other in existence. While I
wait for the Moog guitar, I've been driving the GR300 with a Godin Multiac
Jazz. And as much respect as I have for Wayne (which is nearly infinite),
I still wonder if that VG99 emulation is a fat as the real deal. Beacuse
man, it is FAT! When I get around to mixing some of these things down,
I'll be sure to post links.
-George
----- Original Message ----
From: Mech <mech@m3ch.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:09:06 AM
Subject: Re: OT: VG-99 & GR-300 (was: Moog Guitar)
At 4:12 PM -0700 10/28/08, George Ludwig wrote:
> >Best things about it were the zero latency
>
> The GR300 still beats the modeling on latency. Wayne Joness (a brilliant
>guitar synth geek) did some latency testing. You can see his results here:
>
><http://www.joness.com/gr300/MIDI_SPEED.htm>http://www.joness.com/gr300/MIDI_SPEED.htm
>
> Basically, the GR300 is still almost twice as fast as the modeller in
>the VG-88. I can't imagine the VG-8 did any better. And if you used the
>polyphonic pitch, the VG-88 gets even slower.
Wayne Jones is great as a GR-300 resource. Since it seems somewhat
topical (and since nobody's posted it yet), here's a very recent article
he wrote for the November issue of Premier Guitar magazine. He gives a
critical head-to-head between a real GR-300 and the GR-300 emulation in
the VG-99:
http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/Issue/2008/Nov/Return_of_a_Legend_Does_the_VG_99_Live_Up_to_the_GR_300.aspx
In short, he concludes that, for the most part, the VG-99 is a worthy
replication of the GR-300. It also addresses the latency issue with the
VG in relation to the GR-300 emulation.
FWIW, the only time I notice *any* latency is when I'm using the GR
algorithm (that one's a bit of a CPU hog), and even then it's not
insurmountable. Every other aspect of the instrument performs faster than
snot, or at least as fast as I can play. So I'd use his latency figures
given for the VG-99 in this article as a theoretical maximum.
--m.
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