On 8/2/08, Dave <
prog.music.freak@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah, there is a lot of pre-movie graphics, etc. I guess they needed to fill
> time...but they stuff so much info in afterwards, ya wonder why they
> bothered.
>
> Glad you liked it. Definitely opened my eyes to a few things. I knew a lot
> of the 9/11 stuff, and it's not that uncommon of knowledge (at least in my
> circles), but I think people here are resigned to the govt being too big and
> powerful for them to do anything. They keep us in fear, keep us broke, and
> keep stripping our rights...but there is no one organizing.
>
> And do you mean to tell me that people in *Norway* believe in the 9/11 / US
> govt conspiracy also?
>
> Has Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11" been played there (though much milder
> than is this film)?
>
> The relevance to the section on religion is that US politicians invoke the
> name of G-d to help them get elected, then do nothing close to practicing
> wholesale Christianity once they have the chance, when they get into office,
> for thousands, if not millions, of people. They use it to consolidate voters
> for them. My understanding is that the discussion of personal religious
> beliefs by European candidates for office is basically unheard of. Perhaps
> that's why this portion doesn't come across?
>
> Personally, I think the 'separation of church and state' in America has done
> more to foster its growth than it has to hold it in check.
>
> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 8:26 PM, mark francombe
> <
mark@markfrancombe.com>wrote:
>
>> Dave,
>>
>> i just wanted to say, that although I took it with a fairly hefty pinch of
>> salt, I just downzoned and watched your suggested link to Zeitgeist.
>>
>> THANK YOU!
>>
>> And although one has to wade through quite a few minutes of long and drawn
>> out arty farty nonsense, esspecially at the beginning, which was a shame,
>> ... WOW... what a movie... Not that i had'nt heard most of it before, but
>> for its well researched and (shock horror) brilliantly written and
>> presented
>> messages.
>> Take this off list if you prefer, but how was this movie made, and has it
>> been aired? I may be able to get it shown on Norwegian TV, over here... if
>> only as a highly editted form (three episode for example)...
>> I didnt quite see the relavance of the Religeon section, and the subject
>> has been done to death on Discovery recently, but again, the conciseness
>> and
>> simplicity of how it was presented made an often muddy subject clear!
>>
>> BUT THE 911 STUFF... OMG... The government funded and planned operation of
>> 911, is a commonly held hypothesis over here, but there was so much in
>> this
>> depiction that i never heard of!!! A few unanswered question too however,
>> can't this be spammed to the American voter somehow???
>>
>> Thanks again, you saved me from a sofa doze evening...
>>
>> M
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Dave <
prog.music.freak@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> They're confiscating any laptops they feel like confiscating and copying
>>> the hard drive for later inspection, the way I heard it. And you may or
>>> may
>>> not get it back and they may or may not tell you when. It's just part of
>>> how
>>> they're stripping away our rights in their attempt to have a 'war on
>>> terror'.
>>>
>>> Hitler did the same thing...burned down his own buildings, called it a
>>> terrorist attack, used it to consolidate the country's people against his
>>> enemy to further his agenda, stripped the people of their rights and
>>> started
>>> wars he said were pre-emptive. The more we let them get away with this
>>> kind
>>> of thing, the more they'll do it, and the more they do it, the more
>>> they'll
>>> know they can get away with. And now with an election coming up that they
>>> know they're likely to lose, they'll start doing all kinds of stuff to
>>> insure that their agenda has to be carried out even in their absence. In
>>> my
>>> opinion, that's why they took the terror alert up the other day...just
>>> something to scare people...just a little...but they'll take up another
>>> notch or two...before they invade Iran or whatever they feel they need to
>>> before they get out of office...
>>>
>>> Wanna download something legal, and worthwhile?
>>>
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
>>>
>>> Sure, it's conspiracy theory stuff, but that doesn't make it
>>> incorrect....
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:47 AM, Warren Sirota
>>> <
wsirota@wsdesigns.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Per, I disagree with you on the semiotics of jihad, but that path just
>>>> leads to political arguments better held elsewhere. there are endless
>>>> places on the web to "discuss" things like this.
>>>>
>>>> In regards to this laptop inspection thing - i don't know if it's
>>>> related to this story, but there was a story circulating on the tech
>>>> podcasts a month or two ago about inspectors confiscating laptops with
>>>> allegedly pirated music files on them. and, since the customs
>>>> authorities (and, indeed, almost everyone) has no way to tell which
>>>> files might be pirated and which not, they were confiscating laptops
>>>> with *any* music on it. i don't know how true this is, but i would
>>>> think twice before taking my laptop into or out of the US.
>>>>
>>>> Warren
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> "The Universe seems neither benign nor hostile, merely indifferent to the
>>> concerns of such creatures as we." - Carl Sagan, from "Cosmos"
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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