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Re: OT: thoughts on music and cooking
Yeah, me too ..... though I need to interject that for proper
improvisational cooking, one must have a bottle of wine.
>From: "Tony K" <bigtonyk@gmail.com>
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Subject: Re: OT: thoughts on music and cooking
>Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 13:04:35 -0400
>
>It makes complete sense to me. I too love to cook. But, I have a
>different
>approach. I approach cooking in much the same way I do making music. I
>just make it up as I go along. I grew up in an Italian family, my
>grandmother(s) just showed me how to make things. A very few thins there
>were recipes for, but for the most part, it was just experience. I have a
>general idea of what I want (the basics), then I just start throwing
>things
>in. So, my cooking and my music are never the same twice, but always an
>adventure. :) Sometimes things fail miserably, you know like when I
>accidentally put caraway seed in spaghetti sauce. not good. And sometimes
>it's a gem.
>
>Tony
>
>On 6/7/07, Josh Carroll <josh@infinivert.com> wrote:
>>
>>In addition to creating music, I also like to cook. I especially like to
>>making (or rather, attempting to make) sauces.
>>
>>A few years ago I set out to make the perfect salsa. It took me a few
>>tries, but pretty quickly I came up with a recipe that embodied what I
>>think
>>salsa should taste like. All my friends love it too. I usually make it
>a
>>little thinner and milder than I would personally prefer, but I'm still
>>happy with the flavor, and I feel like it has something unique about it;
>a
>>little bit of myself expressed in a sauce.
>>
>>This year I decided that my previous recipe was too complicated, so I set
>>out to create a new recipe with half the ingredients. I nailed it on my
>>first try, and honestly I think the simpler recipe tastes better (though
>a
>>couple of my friends would argue with me).
>>
>>However, I've also been trying to come up with a barbecue sauce recipe
>>that embodies all I love about barbecue for a few years now, and after
>>dozens of tries, I'm about ready to give up. Everything I make sucks,
>and
>>while a couple of my friends are nice enough to eat my experiments, I
>know
>>it's never very good.
>>
>>I think there are several reasons for the difference in success rates,
>but
>>perhaps the most important is this: I have an exact idea of the way I
>>think
>>salsa should taste, and I'm familiar enough with the ingredients to make
>>that happen pretty much every time I make it (a few flops excepted). But
>>when it comes to barbecue sauce, I've tasted so many different
>influential
>>sauces that I loved, from thin and vinegary to thick and sweet, spicy,
>>brassy, smokey, tart, etc. that it's nearly impossible for me to
>envision
>>a
>>sauce that captures my favorite things about each. Furthermore, there
>are
>>so many possibilities for different ingredients that I'm just not as
>>familiar with, that when I taste a half-finished sauce and think "hmm...
>>it
>>needs a little of that sweet flavor from Sharon's house sauce," I'm left
>>guessing at how to make that happen.
>>
>>
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>All of that to say, I look at a lot of you guys (and groups like The
>>Books, Sigur Ros, etc.), and it at least appears that your efforts at
>>making
>>music flow the way salsa-making does for me. You know exactly what
>you're
>>going for, and you stick with it. Even when it takes a surprising turn,
>>it
>>still turns out great. And I've watched with envy as several of you have
>>sold-off gear and simplified your sets (stripped out half of the
>>ingredients) and come up with a new recipe that's even more profound and
>>satisfying that what you did at first.
>>
>>But lately, making music has felt like trying to make the perfect
>barbecue
>>sauce to me. I have so many diverse influences and sounds in my head
>that
>>I
>>want to combine, and I have all this technology at my fingertips that I'm
>>just not as familiar with as I would like to be, that I feel overwhelmed
>>by
>>the endeavor. And everything I have come up with so far is just not
>>satisfying to me.
>>
>>And I'd like at least a few people to think it's good too, but right now
>>the artists I'm hearing who come closest (check out
>>http://www.myspace.com/sonlux for one example) are too much of a stretch
>>for even my most musically inclined friends.
>>
>>Has anyone else been here, or am I even making sense? Any words of
>>wisdom?
>>
>>--Josh
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>--
>-==-=-=-
>Tony
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