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RE: surround looping revisited
Got it. Thanks. Your application is interesting. I think I could figure it
out now. In fact, in EnergyXT, I can assign any output of a VST to any of
my 5 soundcard outputs (back L/R, front L/R, and center), and then I could
run those soundcard outputs to separate powered PA speakers...or my mixer,
using my main stereo out and sub outs. Damn, I either have to buy a new
laptop to run Mobius to loop all five channels independentaly, or buy
three more EDPs...eithe option costs about the same....or I just loop my
front L/R channels. I have to stop thinking about this...very
dangerous...I could fall into what my wife calls one of my vortexes and
disappear in the basement for weeks. Not good, man. Don't tell me anymore
Rainer. This is grounds for divorce. ;)
K-
-----Original Message-----
From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de]
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 2:31 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: AW: surround looping revisited
Thanks four your feedback, Kris!
First, let me mention that this setup is more of an interactive
installation rather than "normal" music. What I currently do is let it
simply run and pick up street noises coming through the windows, incoming
phone calls, toilet flush, espresso machine... and see what happens.
Now coming back to your questions, and I'll answer the last one first.
Check out the AcousModules web site acousmodules.free.fr (note that the
English version of the page is currently not really functional - hope you
speak some french ;-) Use the SpatDelays effect (its basically eight
delays in one unit), send your (monophonic) source singnal to inputs one
to four, turn on delays one to four with different delay times and send
the output of delays one to four to your four speakers.
My current setup in AudioMulch looks like this (a setup you can replace in
any of the modular audio thingies like Bidule or EnergyXT or even Nuendo
I'm sure):
Inputs 1-4 (from Microphones)
V
one Buzz Compressor per channel with huge threshold, long release and
strong limiting and lots of makeup gain V
4x4 Matrix
V
two EllotronixXL in stereo mode with decay centered (these act only as
long delay lines)
The four independent delay outputs are used as inputs for several effects
(some of them with surround outputs or inputs and outputs), several of
them from the AcousModules website. The output of these is fed into four
4-to-1 mixers which in turn feed the four independent outputs.
The speakers are set up in a kinda-quadrophonic fashion in my bedroom, the
microphones are placed differently: one (AT4050 in figure-eight) sits next
to the computer at the back end of the room, one (Rode NT-1A) is pointed
at the window and picks up street noise as well as reflections from the
window. A SP C4 pair (cardioid) is set up in the hallway, one mike
pointing towards the living room.
Currently, I'm trying to fight the buildup of drones (hence my question
about feedback destroyer plugins). These do form a kind of strange
attractor for the system - meaning that independent of the input, after a
finite time the system lands in "boooooooooooooooooooooohhhhh" mode :-(
Rainer
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Hartung, Kris [mailto:kris.hartung@hp.com]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 5. Juni 2005 22:03
An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff: RE: surround looping revisited
Pretty cool, Rainer. It would be fun to setup a surround sound, live
system one day. I would probably buy two wireless speakers and put them
in the back of the room. I too have the creative labs surround
capability on my soundcard. Can you explain what surround effect you are
using? Are you taking advantage of the other set of stereo images and
running different signals/effects to them, or just running a dual stereo
system? For instance, how would you setup a four way ping pong delay?
Kris
-----Original Message-----
From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de]
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 1:52 PM
To: Looper's Delight Mailing List
Subject: surround looping revisited
It's done!
Today, I set up my first surround looping setup, based on some of the
valuable opinions in this forum. About the setup:
Hardware:
PC w/ ADAT Interface
Behringer ADA8000 ADAT I/O (8 Mic/Line Ins, 8 Outs)
Creative Labs pseudo-surround speaker setup :-)
various (4) mikes (AT, SP, Beyer)
Software:
AudioMulch
Ellotronix looper (2)
various AcousModules
BuzzComp (4) (as kind of automatic gain control)
And the following two axioms:
(1) No feedback internal to the electronic setup (i.e. only
feedback speaker -> microphone)
(2) No signals fed from inputs to outputs which aren't run
through the delay lines
Short description: a 21st century interactive Alvin Lucier setup! I'm
still fine-tuning as well as expanding this approach, so again here come
more questions:
* Does anyone know of a (if possible free or cheap) feedback destroyer
as a VST plugin? I'm thinking of basically a software version of the
Sabine/Shure/Behringer hardware units used for live sound applications.
* Is there a nice interface to send ASIO connections via a network
connection (without using Steinberg Nuendo that is)?
Thanks for your input!
Rainer