Re: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab for looping)

["Shane Whitbread" <shanewhitbread@sympatico.ca>]

I can get it to oscillate, pitch shift, spit out random crap....But i have 
a
entire board of analog and digital delays that do all that stuff(Ibanez
DDL10 tweaked, diigtech PDS20/20 tweaked, PSK analog delay, boss DM-2,
Ibanez DE7, and soon a modded DD-3 and PB&J), so I use it as a looper and a
special effects/traditional delay pedal.

Spend a hour with it if you can, 20 minutes getting used to the sounds, and
then start to mess with it with a knowledge of it's limitations(or what 
you,
at that point think the limitations are).  It is a very deep pedal.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "DJ" <dhjohnson@mindspring.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 11:44 PM
Subject: Re: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab for
looping)


> Does it really?  Real self-oscillation?  You can change the pitch with
> the time knob?  If that's so then... WOW!  I'll have to check that out,
> as that would make it quite a unit.  I could swear I read that I would
> not self-oscillate, but I could easily be wrong about this.  If I keep
> the pedal board instead of the tonelab then I might have to check this
> out.  Thanks!
>
> On Jun 18, 2004, at 11:37 PM, Shane Whitbread wrote:
>
> > the boss DD-20 does tap and oscillation as well.  Probably the best
> > delay
> > pedal on the market today......
> >
> > Also, count this as a bump....I too wanna know if they ocsillate or
> > not......
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "DJ" <dhjohnson@mindspring.com>
> > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> > Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 4:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab for
> > looping)
> >
> >
> >> That sounds very cool.  Do you know, can any of the the tonelabs
> >> delays
> >> self-oscillate a la the old bucket-brigade delays?  That is one of the
> >> coolest effects and no one seems to make delays that can do it.  I
> >> need
> >> a delay that has tap tempo self-oscillation and looping.  I think
> >> Maneco who make the Maneco loopers is building a device that can do
> >> this.  No one mention the line 6 as I am not going to pay that kind of
> >> money for something that is going to break and the replacement part
> >> cost almost as much as a new unit.  My friend had one and when it
> >> broke
> >> that's what line 6 told him to do, buy a new chip or processor which
> >> was probably 75% of the cost of a new unit.  When my old memory man
> >> broke I sent it to EH and for 16 bucks they fixed it.
> >>
> >> On Jun 18, 2004, at 4:26 PM, msottilaro wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Jun 18, 2004, at 10:33 AM, DJ wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I'm curious, what kind of looping capabilities does the Tonelab SE
> >>>> have?
> >>>
> >>> Vox doesn't advertise it because nobody cares about looping, silly.
> >>> ;)
> >>>  Here's what it does straight from the manual:
> >>>
> >>> 10. HOLD DELAY (HOLD DLY) MONO IN/MONO OUT 1
> >>> If you assign “HOLD DLY” to the CONTROL pedal, you’ll be able to hold
> >>> the delay
> >>> sound.
> >>> [1] “TIME” 1–8000 [ms] Sets the delay time.
> >>> [2] “FEEDBACK” 0.0–10.0 * Adjusts the amount of feedback.
> >>> [3] “TONE” 1.0–10.0 * Adjusts the tone of the delay sound.
> >>> [6] “MIX” 0.0–10.0 * Adjusts the mix amount of the delay sound.
> >>> CONTROL pedal: HOLD DLY: If you select “HOLD DLY” for the CONTROL
> >>> pedal, the delay sound will be held from the
> >>> moment you turn the pedal on.
> >>>
> >>> What the manual doesn't say is that when you change delay times it
> >>> behaves like the old Digitech PDS8000 and old analog delay pedals
> >>> where you get all sorts of warping during the change.  That makes for
> >>> some fun effects.
> >>>
> >>>> lso, I saw you mention in another post that the Tonelab will let you
> >>>> disable the cabinet simulations so you can use it with an amp w/out
> >>>> double filtering your signal.  I am wondering if it is possible for
> >>>> you to disable all the amp-like parts and use it as a multi-fx unit.
> >>>
> >>> Yes, that's the idea.
> >>>
> >>>> Can you tweak the parameters in real time easily while you playing?
> >>>
> >>> Yeah, totally.  You can also assign any perimeter to one of the
> >>> expression pedals so you don't have to be bending over all the time
> >>> to
> >>> knob twiddle.  You can do that as well, though.  It's got a really
> >>> simple to navigate interface where you have "soft" knobs that change
> >>> function depending on what your tweaking.
> >>>
> >>>> I would like to get the Tonelab to record with and then I would like
> >>>> to use it with a real guitar amp and use just the FX onstage, but I
> >>>> need to be able to adjust things real-time while on stage.  Can this
> >>>> be done with the Tonelab?  If it also has looping it may have
> >>>> everything I need.  Thanks!
> >>>
> >>> That's the whole idea behind this piece of gear.  Check it out, you
> >>> may hate it's presets but once tweaked you can do a lot with this
> >>> badboy.
> >>>
> >>> Mark
> >>>
> >>
> >
>