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Re: Undo Problem in Loop IV?
Mathias,
Thanks for the response, i'll experiment some more with all of this.
i
AM using the unit differently that i was when i had loop-III in it).
here's some comments from me to kim flint, which includes a question that
you may have thoughts on:
Kim,
"...... The most interesting thing, is the fact that, " The Echoplex
considers it a change to the loop anytime Feedback is less than 100%, so
it
saves the altered version of the loop to new memory" I never knew this
even
after combing the manual. WOW. big point.
I think that what has thrown me is that the UNDO button is not
available
after doing a multiply of 4 cycles, subsequent to a first-recording of a
short cycle, in order to get back to the original first short single cycle.
In other words, even thought the very first cycle SHOULD be in memory
(without overdubs), along with the 4 cycles of copied / multiplied
material,
the UNDO button is only lit during the first cycle and does not give me an
opportunity to go back to that first single cycle, which for my new
applications (unlike my uses while i used loop III v.5) is important to be
able to do.
If i press UNDO during that first cycle it erases all of the new
overdub
except the material added during the first cycle. After i do a long
press,
it is not available again at all, in order to get back to the one,
original
single cycle.
Do you agree that that first cycle should be available (based on memory
installed, of course) using UNDO, and that it is not available?
At this point, this is more of an academic question, because i think
that
a short use of overdub before attempting any multiplies will work for me i
hope." (or i can use your suggestion, Mathias below)
----Original Message Follows----
From: Matthias Grob <matthias@grob.org>
Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Undo Problem in Loop IV?
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 19:06:49 -0300
>HI, Do any of you know about a problem undoing a 'layer' of music from
>ALL
>cycles after a multiply has been done? A long press of UNDO erases the
>newest layer from all cycles EXCEPT the first one! (My memory is at max.)
>Here is a simple example:
>1. RECORD a drum beat for a few measures. Say it is 4 seconds long.
>2. MULTIPLY a guitar line over it. Play and record the guitar through
>4
>cycles, so that the resulting loop is now 16 seconds long (4seconds X
>4cycles).
>3 UNDO - Do a 'long' press, and the guitar part, played over all 4
>cycles
>is now gone, EXCEPT for the part existing during the first cycle.
>4. Short presses do not help and also, there are similar examples to the
>above where the UNDO function is not even available at all, at any time.
>
>IS THIS A BUG?? I did not have this problem using the Loop III V.5
>which
>i am about to reinstall to make this sucker work!
>Thank you for any of your answers - Patty in SF
No, its not a bug, but when you use Multiply immediately (without doing
some
Overdub or FB reduction) after Record, you get a problem really.
Just imagine how the sound is kept in memory:
You have one cycle recorded and we keep coping that to another cycle,
ready
to register eventual changes. As long as you dont do anything more, we
just
alternate between those two copies.
Now you do Multiply, which copies one of those cycles (depends on when you
press Multiply exactly) 4 times with your new overdubs. So you have 5 or 6
cycles in the memory now.
Now you want undo all overdubs. But we dont have 4 subsequent cycles
without
overdubs in the memory!
So the solution is:
Multiply by 1 (press Multiply twice in a row) at the beginning of the 4
cycles
Then press Undo to get rid of the overdub on that cycle
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