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Loopers-Delight-d Digest				Volume 97 : Issue 113

Today's Topics:
  RE: The Echoplex/CE                   [ Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com> ]
  Re: The Echoplex upgrade arrives!     [ Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com> ]
  Re: Let The Power Fall - EMS          [ PainPete@aol.com ]
  Hey, I'm under Twenty-Fi....EEEEK!!!  [ PainPete@aol.com ]
  Re: A couple of Responses             [ KelRey@aol.com ]
  Re: Hey, I'm under Twenty-Fi....EEEE  [ vajra1@mho.net (Robert Phelps) ]
  Re: The Echoplex upgrade arrives!     [ Marzzz@aol.com ]
  Re: MIDI looping                      [ Marzzz@aol.com ]
  Re: The Echoplex upgrade arrives!     [ Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com> ]
  Re: Hey, I'm under Twenty-Fi....EEEE  [ The Man Himself <altruist@shoko.cal ]
  Re: MIDI looping                      [ Charles Cohen <ccohen@voicenet.com> ]
  Re: A couple of Responses             [ "Stephen P. Goodman" <sgoodman@prim ]
  Re: Let The Power Fall - EMS          [ Todd Pafford <galen@erols.com> ]
  Re: A couple of Responses             [ jessekudler@juno.com (Jesse G Kudle ]
  Re: Let The Power Fall - EMS          [ BlkSwan03@aol.com ]
  Age                                   [ patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) ]
  Re: Echoplex oddness check: Any volu  [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  old is better than new?               [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  Re: A couple of responses             [ matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias  ]
  MIDI looping on a Mac                 [ "Ott, John" <John_Ott@ATK.COM> ]
  Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V97 #10  [ Olivier Malhomme <malhomme@infobiog ]
  RE: Echoplex oddness check: Any volu  [ "Ott, John" <John_Ott@ATK.COM> ]
  Re[2]: A couple of Responses          [ miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) ]
  Re: Midi looping                      [ Olivier Malhomme <malhomme@infobiog ]
  Re: Amplifiers for looping            [ "Matt McCabe" <mattm@bi-tech.com> ]
  Age (of Aquarius)                     [ Michael Peters <MPeters@compuserve. ]
  RE: Vortex pedal                      [ "Hogan, Greg" <GHogan@lexicon.com> ]
  Re: Age (of Aquarius)                 [ Kim Flint <kflint@chromatic.com> ]

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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 18:23:14 -0700
From: Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: RE: The Echoplex/CE
Message-Id: <v03102808afef2ddffe0b@[207.171.196.205]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 4:56 AM -0400 7/13/97, Michael Peters wrote:
>the one thing that interests me most about the new Echoplex is:
>
>Will it carry the CE stamp necessary to import it to Europe, or not?

I don't know what they are doing with CE. (software doesn't have much to do
with it!) When I left Gibson there was a plan for how to get CE approval
for the echoplex. I don't know if they have done that or not. I assume so,
since they seem to be planning to export a lot of them there. You might
want to ask them that directly. OB's customer service human is Dean Fouts
<dfouts@gibson.com>

>If Gibson are really dedicated to this new product, they will spend the
>money and energy to get a CE stamp ...

one would hope so.....they do have CE approval for all the rest of their
product line, although that's not very challenging with Les Pauls.

kim

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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 18:35:09 -0700
From: Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: The Echoplex upgrade arrives!
Message-Id: <v0310280aafef304f90e1@[207.171.196.205]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

At 3:38 AM +0200 7/13/97, Claude Voit wrote:
>But today earlyer I had a talk with Rolf Spuler one of the pioneers of
>the Paradis Loop Delay (the grand father of the plex) and he told me
>that Oberheim was'nt shipping at all for the two last years and that the
>plex story was almost dead)

Well, they didn't ship any to Rolf for the past two years, which is a sad
story. They have definitely been shipping them for the past two years
though, including shipments to europe.


>Would Kim get us a litle more infos about the future distibution policy
>of oberheim (there should be a serious backlog)
>are some units going to arrive to us in europe before another long wait

I have no involvement in Oberheim policies, you have to contact them to ask
such questions. (We just license software.) I could tell them that a lot of
folks in Europe would like to know more. They are planning shipments soon
to European distributors, but I don't know any details.


>If I found a used plex today is it worth the wait (hardware wise)

The hardware is the same, sure....

>long live Aurisis Research
>
>and welcome the LoopIII V5.0
>
>Claude Voit

thanks!

kim

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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 22:12:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: PainPete@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Let The Power Fall - EMS
Message-ID: <970713221233_-592097013@emout11.mail.aol.com>

Funny, I always thought SSOSFAGTIACAGWAP was largely sped-up spliced tape
loops of Roger Waters acting like small jungle mammals. Could we both be
right perhaps? 

In a message dated 97-07-13 15:35:54 EDT, you write:

<< Subj:	Re: RE: Let The Power Fall - EMS
 Date:	97-07-13 15:35:54 EDT
 From:	BlkSwan03@aol.com
 Resent-from:	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
 Reply-to:	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
 To:	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
 
 
 In a message dated 7/13/97 5:23:32 PM, you wrote:
 
 <<My copy of Pink Floyd "Live Pompeii" which includes film of the 
 "Dark Side of the Moon" Sessions show Roger Waters playing
 the Track.  
 >>
 
 With not one but two AKS's.   Sorry I left them out.  Didn't mean to.  I
 think they had been messing with EMS stuff for a bit before "Dark Side".
   Roger's  "Several Species of
 Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving With A Pict"
 (which I assume everyone on this list is familiar with-off of "Ummagumma".)
  is done with vocals but I think it was set up with the AKS and the vocal
 parts were added on top.  The reason I think that is because I once got the
 very same type of rythymic chant kind of sound off the AKS.  It was very
 weird and another example of the unique qualities of this synth.
 
                              Jim  (Portland, OR)
  >>

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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 22:21:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: PainPete@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Hey, I'm under Twenty-Fi....EEEEK!!!!!!
Message-ID: <970713222118_592376849@emout14.mail.aol.com>

Last time I checked, I was under 25, but... (VRAP!!!!!!!) - Sudden look at
the dashboard of life - Holy BeJezzuz! I turn fraggin' THIRTY in a few
months? What the $%&# happened? 

Were is my wife, kids and minivan? 

Do I care yet? 

(I'm soooooo confused by this temporal existence...)

Pete (looping my life away...)

In a message dated 97-07-13 20:56:27 EDT, you write:

<< Subj:	Re: A couple of Responses
 Date:	97-07-13 20:56:27 EDT
 From:	Dpcoffin@aol.com
 Resent-from:	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
 Reply-to:	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
 To:	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
 
 
 
 <<Sorry dpc,
 
 I'm 52
 Kelly>>
 
 Jeez, geezer, that's a relief!
  >>

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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 22:34:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: KelRey@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: A couple of Responses
Message-ID: <970713223354_1657187311@emout16.mail.aol.com>

If you cant laff whats the point?

That was great Kim LOL

Kelly

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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 20:49:34 +0100
From: vajra1@mho.net (Robert Phelps)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Hey, I'm under Twenty-Fi....EEEEK!!!!!!
Message-Id: <v01520d01afeee0c87881@[206.156.104.151]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>Last time I checked, I was under 25, but... (VRAP!!!!!!!) - Sudden look at
>the dashboard of life - Holy BeJezzuz! I turn fraggin' THIRTY in a few
>months? What the $%&# happened?
>
>Were is my wife, kids and minivan?
>

Continue processing presently cued loop. The next version of the Vortex has
minivan capability. Hang in there. B.P.
And BTW, where have all the cowboys gone?........................ :-)

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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 22:44:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Marzzz@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: The Echoplex upgrade arrives!
Message-ID: <970713224359_-526808763@emout05.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 7/13/97 8:29:53 PM, KF wrote:

>>A curiosity: only the software has been changed or the hardware too?
>
>just software.

Another question:

How do you determine the software rev. on the Echoplex?

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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 22:50:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Marzzz@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: MIDI looping
Message-ID: <970713225000_424603478@emout19.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 7/13/97 8:59:08 PM, Kim wrote:

>Other than that I would suggest using Max, which is a
>graphical/object-oriented midi programming environment for the mac. It's a
>great tool, created at IRCAM in France and sold by Opcode. I think the
>sample applications that max even comes with even includes a midi delay and
>a looper. I think it would be fairly easy to create a powerful midi looping
>application with max. You could even design a nice big, custom gui. I'd be
>surprised if someone hadn't already done this, actually.

The thought also occurs to me that both Midi and Audio looping could be
achieved (with a great deal of programming freedom) on a KYMA system, by
Symbolic Sound. Last time I checked a basic system went for $4400 (dropping
over the last few years), but considering all that it could do (from
synthesis, digital audio, sample processing, effects, etc., etc., etc. in
realtime) it might be worth considering....

Marshall

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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 20:19:48 -0700
From: Kim Flint <kflint@annihilist.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: The Echoplex upgrade arrives!
Message-Id: <v03102800afef4a9b1477@[207.171.196.205]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>In a message dated 7/13/97 8:29:53 PM, KF wrote:
>
>>>A curiosity: only the software has been changed or the hardware too?
>>
>>just software.
>
>Another question:
>
>How do you determine the software rev. on the Echoplex?

It says on the display when it powers up. The new upgrade says it more
dramatically than the last one.....and if the new start-up display doesn't
get you all fired up to get it, I don't know what will!  :-)

kim

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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 20:34:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: The Man Himself <altruist@shoko.calarts.edu>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Hey, I'm under Twenty-Fi....EEEEK!!!!!!
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.970713203320.16243A-100000@shoko.calarts.edu>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

On Sun, 13 Jul 1997, Robert Phelps wrote:

> And BTW, where have all the cowboys gone?........................ :-)

I guess those "doot - n'da - doot"s in the choruses do kinda qualify as a
loop... 

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 00:10:13 -0400
From: Charles Cohen <ccohen@voicenet.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: MIDI looping
Message-ID: <33C9A6A5.281E@voicenet.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Megalomania 1.2.3  freeware at the usual places.
Sort of a poor person's MAX





-- 
            ****      What's Charles up to?      ****
                 http://www.voicenet.com/~ccohen

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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 21:15:28 -0700
From: "Stephen P. Goodman" <sgoodman@primenet.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: A couple of Responses
Message-Id: <199707140415.VAA16662@usr07.primenet.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

> >KelRey@aol.com wrote:
> >>
> >> In a message dated 7/13/97 2:34:41 PM, you wrote:
> >>
> >> <<In a message dated 7/13/97 8:14:15 AM, Randy wrote:
> >>
> >> <<one is older
> >> than me here!!!>>
> >> Sorry...I'm 49
> >> dpc
> >> >>
> >>
> >> Sorry dpc,
> >>
> >> I'm 52
> >> Kelly
> >
> >Sorry, Kelly, sometimes I feel 53 or even 54.
> >Motley
> >
>  55, 55, do I hear 55?
> 
> For that matter, we've heard 15, do we have 14?
> 
> kim

Well, if Kim adds to this foolishness, why shouldn't I?  40 here.  What
piffle!

Stephen Goodman       * Download The Loop Of The Week and more! 
EarthLight Studios         * http://www.primenet.com/~sgoodman/Studios
*---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 00:07:44 -0400
From: Todd Pafford <galen@erols.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Let The Power Fall - EMS
Message-ID: <33C9A610.28F6237E@erols.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Just so we all know, a friend of mine has a bootleg video of PF doing
SSOSFAGTIACAGWAP live.  Yes it's all vocals.  There may be some synth
stuff, but if so it's very discrete stuff in the background.  I haven't
seen the video in years, but from what I remember it's pretty minimal on
electronics/effects/processing.  Just goes to show that we don't always
need fancy gizmos to get really far out. :)  Of course, whether it's
reproduced exactly the same live as it is on Ummagumma, I can't say. 
All I know is that it was really amazing to see. :)

T.Pafford

PainPete@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Funny, I always thought SSOSFAGTIACAGWAP was largely sped-up spliced tape
> loops of Roger Waters acting like small jungle mammals. Could we both be
> right perhaps?
> 
>>>>>> others' speculations cut for space <<<<<<<<<<

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 00:53:26 EDT
From: jessekudler@juno.com (Jesse G Kudler)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: A couple of Responses
Message-ID: <19970714.004954.8263.12.JesseKudler@juno.com>

I apparently missed the original post, but let me say that I'm 18.

-Jesse

On Sat, 12 Jul 97 13:57:14 -0600 "mmason"<mmason@faulkcomp.com> writes:
>
>     
>     Warren Sirota Wrote
>     
>     >  is anyone on this list under 25?
>     
>     I'm 15. 
>     
>     Jay or Boris
>     mmason@faulkcomp.com
>
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 04:05:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: BlkSwan03@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Let The Power Fall - EMS
Message-ID: <970714040533_948762151@emout01.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 7/14/97 5:36:59 AM, you wrote:

<<
Funny, I always thought SSOSFAGTIACAGWAP was largely sped-up spliced tape
loops of Roger Waters acting like small jungle mammals. Could we both be
right perhaps? >>

Well, there's a lot of things going on in that piece, including sped up stuff
and reversed stuff.  I am talking mainly about the chant part  (can't
possibly figure out how to spell it out tho!)    I'm speculating of course,
but I did once get the very same type of sequence on the AKS.  I wondered at
the time if Roger just recorded over the parts with weird vocals to disguise
the synth origins and make it even stranger.

Jim

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 06:06:42 +0200
From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Age
Message-Id: <v01520d01afef5572726c@[205.177.25.43]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Fellow Loopers,

I'm 41 going on 16.......the toys just get more expensive...like my new
Mackie 1604VLZ........very nice...


Patrick



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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:58:23 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Echoplex oddness check: Any volunteers?
Message-Id: <v01520d01afef32cab0b2@[200.254.32.106]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>Cleaning pots you can do yourself, you should be
>able to get the stuff for that at an electronics parts shop. You might as
>well have it on hand, because anyone using electronic music gear will need
>it eventually.

With contact spray? Air?

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:58:28 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: old is better than new?
Message-Id: <v01520d00afefd4368564@[200.254.32.106]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Pete:

>I have never been able to re-create that sound since I got
>better gear and practiced a lot. Now, for some reason, the new stuff sounds
>like shit in some ways when compared to the old stuff, the old just seems to
>have unique qualities about it that seem to have been lost in the new.

Is that a quality of evolution? With each new thing, an old one gets lost?
But, would that be a reason to stick to the old, which is elaborated,
rather than elaborate the new?

>Dexterity limitations and funky gear give you so much built-in restraint in a
>way (something that most guitarists don't have naturally) and with chops and
>a big-ass amp comes the-guitarist-won't-shut-up syndrome, or something. (At
>least I have that problem, which I just decided to call premature
>Riff-jaculation).

We may feel better, if we have a exterior limitation, than if the
limitation is our own capacity.
For example: I sometimes have the impression that someone is actually happy
not to have money, so he cannot buy a tool, and therfore not work and so he
sits there, hapy with what he has. Is that modesty?

and Warren:
>Perhaps loop music can work as an analogue to dance music for older
>people (is anyone on this list under 25?) Whereas rock (functionally
>speaking) is pre-mating music for social rituals among young single
>people, maybe loop music can occur in situations which encourage social
>interaction (which is frequently rather limited) among mature, working
>adults who may have families - maybe there's a new kind of social ritual
>that could be created around this.

This sound almost like:
'Dance for the young, meditation for the old' and
'Loops are for meditation'
... might be tendences, but I understand Kims cry for the new loop music:
>resisting oppression by the ambient tyranny

It seams that the loop music so far is somehow dominated by the old that
participated on the its development on tapes (the name Echoplex
unfortunately suggests this), while the new (or young) will develop much
more with the extended technology, and therefore are more interesting (to
me as musician and especially as developper) than the authentic
reproduction or slight improvement of the old which of course also is of
value.

resisting the idea that meditation calls for old methods or old people

Matthias

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:58:35 -0300
From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: A couple of responses
Message-Id: <v01520d01afefd7c35aea@[200.254.32.106]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Warren said:
>Well, I love improvisation, and loop-based improv is especially
>hypnotizing. I agree with the quote that it can (at least sometimes)
>give us a window into the performer's soul. However, that is only of
>concern to certain niche audiences. Most prefer an "entertainment
>experience", which means tighter structure, clean transitions and
>attention to pacing. Sometimes I want to cater to this and sometimes
>not.

My way is to improvise and edit afterwards to get a "tight structure"

Matthias

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:39:11 -0400
From: "Ott, John" <John_Ott@ATK.COM>
To: "'loopers delight'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: MIDI looping on a Mac
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=ATK%l=EXCHANGE_WV1-970714143911Z-2747@exchange_wv1.ATK.COM>

----kIm flint writes---
It does seem like a pretty obvious use of midi to me. And you seem to be
right, there aren't really any good tools that I know of for real-time
midi
looping. Plenty for non-real-time, of course. It would be interesting to
hear from people who have cobbled together midi looping setups.

kim
---end quote---

I have a Korg X-5 that came with Mark of the Unicorn's Freesytle MIDI
sequencing
software.  I use that on PCI mac.  You create a loop of  X measures up
in Freesytle 
then play and record the MIDI loop at  same time.  I've used this setup
mainly for MIDI Percussion.
I'm still learning Freesytle and havie not figured out how to switch
between loops on the Fly.
 I seem to end up using the JamMan for guitar and synth sounds.   My
home studio is under
construction so when I'm finished (In 2005 at the rate I'm going)
 I'll have to explore MIDI looping for sound.  I'm also looking at
getting MIDI/synth for guitar also. 
 I can't seem to decide between a Roland GR-1 and the GR-30.
  Some mail order house have good prices on the GR-1
but no music store in the area seem to have one I can demo.  Most have a
VG-8 and
GR-30 setup for demo.   Can anyone Highlight the key differences between
the GR-1 and  GR-30 for me?  I think the VG-8 is a bit pricey for me. 


later
John

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 16:47:58 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Olivier Malhomme <malhomme@infobiogen.fr>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V97 #109
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970714164431.12225D-100000@lovelace.infobiogen.fr>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

>
> Any other indulgent Fripp "Tribute" recordings out there? Anyone ever
tried
> to fool their friends with one, and gotten away with it? (I have, though
I'm
> not entirely sure how)!


Well I did with with a one some of you know called "carcinoma in situ"
I eventually chaged the whole thing after wards adding drums, fretless
guitar guitar solo and Stick with a quotation from 'Pandora" (wh James
mason and Ava Gardner). So the whole thing wasn't alike anymore. I must
say that I must hank in his one Robbie Aceto who made possible by teaching
me (through this list, one day) the idea of "wild sync".
OM

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:05:49 -0400
From: "Ott, John" <John_Ott@ATK.COM>
To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: Echoplex oddness check: Any volunteers?
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=ATK%l=EXCHANGE_WV1-970714150549Z-2789@exchange_wv1.ATK.COM>

Radio Shack sells "Color TV tuner Cleaner" 
this works well for cleaning any electrical contact.



>----------
>From: 	matthias@bahianet.com.br
>Reply To: 	Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
>Sent: 	Monday, July 14, 1997 9:58 AM
>To: 	John_Ott@ATK.COM
>Subject: 	Re: Echoplex oddness check: Any volunteers?
>
>
>>Cleaning pots you can do yourself, you should be
>>able to get the stuff for that at an electronics parts shop. You might as
>>well have it on hand, because anyone using electronic music gear will need
>>it eventually.
>
>With contact spray? Air?
>
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 09:51:14 +0400
From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT)
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Dpcoffin@aol.com 
Subject: Re[2]: A couple of Responses
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     This makes me think 40 is not so bad.
     
     Miguel


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Data:    13/07/1900 14:48


     
In a message dated 7/13/97 8:14:15 AM, Randy wrote:
     
<<one is older
than me here!!!>>
Sorry...I'm 49
dpc
     
     
     

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 17:48:03 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Olivier Malhomme <malhomme@infobiogen.fr>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Midi looping
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In fact I use midi loops. The main reason is money. I still don't own one
these beauties wa talk about so often. So, the only way to have long loops
for me was
1) use my multitrack recorder to repaet muiscal (or not) phrases during as
long as I want and do that many times then mix it, and doeas look almost
like aloop (in fact not beacause you hear many subtle differences since
one does not paly exactly the same thing twice, but well...)

2) I use my old Cubase 2.0 running on a not less old Atari 1040st, mich
makes a midi delay you can programm as  you want with the little detail
that you can not have more than a full note as a delay length, but with a
tempo of 30 running, it mean almost 8 second of delay which still is for
me like heaven. The good thing is I can record the loop on midi, I can
change the sounds whnever I want. I can edit it like i add a audio loop on
a good direct to disk machine for 150 bucks. Well that is not true, you
have to add the price of the synth guitar I use with.

OM

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:37:19 -0700
From: "Matt McCabe" <mattm@bi-tech.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Re: Amplifiers for looping
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> From: SoundFNR@aol.com

> Part One
>   What makes a good amplification setup for loops in a 
> live context ? (any recomendations?)
> Guitar amp for  sound character.
> Or a PA type system to accurately  produce
> a multi-layered effect.
> Stereo?

I'm using two EV-12L speakers in my stereo guitar rig and I love it.  I'd
highly recommend the speakers to anyone....very musical and "guitar"
sounding.  

Unless you own a good speaker emulation or prefer that "direct" tone -- go
with guitar cabinets.  Having said that, on occasion I do record my loops
direct to tape...it all depends on the end product desired. 
 
> Part Two 
>   How does the sound  'quality'  effect what 
> the player does with the loop?

"Sound quality" is so subjective.  Bottom line:  you've got to be able to
tolerate your tone/sound.  If you hate the way your rig sounds, you aren't
going to want to play.

Matt

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 16:07:33 -0400
From: Michael Peters <MPeters@compuserve.com>
To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: Age (of Aquarius)
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ok, maybe this will help to end the 'Age' thread:

The average age of us is 33.4 (that is, the average age of the 48 loopers
who have their bio on our website, and specified their age).

<g>

btw, I'm 43.
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 12:54:00 -0400
From: "Hogan, Greg" <GHogan@lexicon.com>
To: Loopers-Delight <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Subject: RE: Vortex pedal
Message-Id: <9707142014.AA29193@beryllium.lexicon.com>

Jesse asked:
"A music store today told me that they were getting a continuous control
pedal from Lexicon directly for $30.  Does this is exist or was the music
store guy confused?"

I think the store guy is confused.  We offer no continuous control pedal   
for $30.00.  The Dual footswitch does list for $30.00.

Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that   
I can do for you.

Best regards,

Greg Hogan
Lexicon Customer Service
Phone 617-280-0372
FAX 617-280-0499
email: ghogan@lexicon.com

P.S.

Cogradulations Kim et al on your new release and thank you for this   
forum!

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:34:24 -0700
From: Kim Flint <kflint@chromatic.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject: Re: Age (of Aquarius)
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At 04:07 PM 7/14/97 -0400, Michael Peters wrote:
>ok, maybe this will help to end the 'Age' thread:
>
>The average age of us is 33.4 (that is, the average age of the 48 loopers
>who have their bio on our website, and specified their age).

min? max? median? standard deviation? Let's do some curve fitting! Why stop now?

Looping demographics! Wow, this is great!  :-)

kim


><g>
>
>btw, I'm 43.
>___________
>Michael Peters   
>        http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters
>HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want"
>        http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm
>Support the Warr Guitar Defense Fund
>        http://home.earthlink.net/~greendog/warrfund.html
>
>
>
>
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