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Thank you much appreciated :D

On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Philip <philip.ojc@gmail.com> wrote:

> That was really nice!
>
>
> On Jun 30, 2012, at 1:23 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote:
>
> Give me your thoughts on it.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2QjVaEP2vM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Thank you much appreciated :D<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun=
 30, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Philip <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:philip=
.ojc@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">philip.ojc@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote=
:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">That was=
 really nice!<div class=3D"im"><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 30,=
 2012, at 1:23 AM, kay&#39;lon rushing wrote:</div>
<br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><p>Give me your thoughts on it.</p><p><a href=
=3D"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dh2QjVaEP2vM&amp;feature=3Dyoutube_gda=
ta_player" target=3D"_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dh2QjVaEP2vM&=
amp;feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_player</a></p>

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Finaly got around to upgrading FL Studio. My wallet hurts right now :-S I
hope this was worth doing. I hope I will have the discipline to continue
live looping now that i have performance/clip launching mode to use for
non-looping performances. Whish me luck!

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<p>Finaly got around to upgrading FL Studio. My wallet hurts right now :-S =
I hope this was worth doing. I hope I will have the discipline to continue =
live looping now that i have performance/clip launching mode to use for non=
-looping performances. Whish me luck!</p>


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Wish*
On Jul 1, 2012 5:21 AM, "kay'lon rushing" <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:

> Finaly got around to upgrading FL Studio. My wallet hurts right now :-S I
> hope this was worth doing. I hope I will have the discipline to continue
> live looping now that i have performance/clip launching mode to use for
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>

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<p>Wish*</p>
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<p>Finaly got around to upgrading FL Studio. My wallet hurts right now :-S =
I hope this was worth doing. I hope I will have the discipline to continue =
live looping now that i have performance/clip launching mode to use for non=
-looping performances. Whish me luck!</p>


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When the Muse says GO, go.

Sometimes She directs us via technology.=20

I NEVER EVER refuse the Muse nowadays.=20

When younger, yes... and I paid big.  In my experience, concepts can be =
impediments and detours in disguise.

Follow the butterfly. =20

Caveat - just an old man's opinion!

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On Jul 1, 2012, at 5:21 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote:

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What exactly is the muse
On Jul 1, 2012 10:40 AM, "richard sales" <richard@glasswing.com> wrote:

> When the Muse says GO, go.
>
> Sometimes She directs us via technology.
>
> I NEVER EVER refuse the Muse nowadays.
>
> When younger, yes... and I paid big.  In my experience, concepts can be
> impediments and detours in disguise.
>
> Follow the butterfly.
>
> Caveat - just an old man's opinion!
>
> richard sales
> www.glasswing.com
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> www.hayleysales.com
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> On Jul 1, 2012, at 5:21 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote:
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> Finaly got around to upgrading FL Studio. My wallet hurts right now :-S I
> hope this was worth doing. I hope I will have the discipline to continue
> live looping now that i have performance/clip launching mode to use for
> non-looping performances. Whish me luck!
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<p>What exactly is the muse</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jul 1, 2012 10:40 AM, &quot;richard sales&quo=
t; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:richard@glasswing.com">richard@glasswing.com</a>&g=
t; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">When the Muse says GO, go.<div><br></di=
v><div>Sometimes She directs us via technology.=A0</div><div><br></div><div=
>I NEVER EVER refuse the Muse nowadays.=A0</div><div><br></div><div>When yo=
unger, yes... and I paid big. =A0In my experience, concepts can be impedime=
nts and detours in disguise.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Follow the butterfly. =A0</div><div><br></div><div>Cave=
at - just an old man&#39;s opinion!</div><div><br><div>
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ter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal=
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<div><font color=3D"#908E38"><a href=3D"http://www.hayleysales.com" target=
=3D"_blank">www.hayleysales.com</a></font></div><div><font color=3D"#908E38=
"><a href=3D"http://www.goodnaturefarms.com" target=3D"_blank">www.goodnatu=
refarms.com</a></font></div>
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pan><br></div></span><br></div></span><br></div></span><br></div></span><br=
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<br><div><div>On Jul 1, 2012, at 5:21 AM, kay&#39;lon rushing wrote:</div><=
br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><p>Finaly got around to upgrading FL Studio. M=
y wallet hurts right now :-S I hope this was worth doing. I hope I will hav=
e the discipline to continue live looping now that i have performance/clip =
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To learn about the Muse, I recommend the movie Xanadu.

Not even kidding. Or am I? Impossible to know. But I do know every song =
by heart...

Phil :)


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> What exactly is the muse
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> When the Muse says GO, go.
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> Sometimes She directs us via technology.=20
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> I NEVER EVER refuse the Muse nowadays.=20
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> When younger, yes... and I paid big.  In my experience, concepts can =
be impediments and detours in disguise.
>=20
> Follow the butterfly. =20
>=20
> Caveat - just an old man's opinion!
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> richard sales
> www.glasswing.com
> www.richardsales.com
> www.hayleysales.com
> www.goodnaturefarms.com
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>> Finaly got around to upgrading FL Studio. My wallet hurts right now =
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<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">To learn about the Muse, I recommend the movie&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xanadu_(film)">Xanadu</a>.<div><br></div><div>Not even kidding. Or am I? Impossible to know. But I do know every song by heart...</div><div><br></div><div>Phil :)<br><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jul 1, 2012, at 3:08 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><p>What exactly is the muse</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jul 1, 2012 10:40 AM, "richard sales" &lt;<a href="mailto:richard@glasswing.com">richard@glasswing.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word">When the Muse says GO, go.<div><br></div><div>Sometimes She directs us via technology.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I NEVER EVER refuse the Muse nowadays.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>When younger, yes... and I paid big. &nbsp;In my experience, concepts can be impediments and detours in disguise.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Follow the butterfly. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Caveat - just an old man's opinion!</div><div><br><div>
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<br><div><div>On Jul 1, 2012, at 5:21 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><p>Finaly got around to upgrading FL Studio. My wallet hurts right now :-S I hope this was worth doing. I hope I will have the discipline to continue live looping now that i have performance/clip launching mode to use for non-looping performances. Whish me luck!</p>


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chaps, i know this might be a long shot, but does anyone know of a
portable media player with multiple outputs? i'd like to be able to
play one stereo pair (a backing track) through one set of outs and a
click track through another (headphone out would be best). i've been
using ableton on my laptop to do this, but i'd really prefer a small
portable hardware device, if possible...

cheers

sim

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I think it you were to get a reasonable 50 dollar DVD player it has 5 outs d=
oesn't it?

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> chaps, i know this might be a long shot, but does anyone know of a
> portable media player with multiple outputs? i'd like to be able to
> play one stereo pair (a backing track) through one set of outs and a
> click track through another (headphone out would be best). i've been
> using ableton on my laptop to do this, but i'd really prefer a small
> portable hardware device, if possible...
>=20
> cheers
>=20
> sim
>=20

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I don't know any such product, except for multi-track recorders with
multiple outputs. But a workaround could be to find a stereo media
player that also submits some sync signal so you can plug in any
cheapo drum box for the click.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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http://www.youtube.com/perboysen


On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Simeon Harris
<simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
> chaps, i know this might be a long shot, but does anyone know of a
> portable media player with multiple outputs? i'd like to be able to
> play one stereo pair (a backing track) through one set of outs and a
> click track through another (headphone out would be best). i've been
> using ableton on my laptop to do this, but i'd really prefer a small
> portable hardware device, if possible...
>
> cheers
>
> sim
>

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yeah, i've looked at the boss BR micro recorders and they would be
perfect, except they only have one output. the zoom R8 and R16 look
like possibilities (the R16 will definitely send a click to the
headphone out....not sure about the R8), but again, it's overkill for
what i need...

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't know any such product, except for multi-track recorders with
> multiple outputs. But a workaround could be to find a stereo media
> player that also submits some sync signal so you can plug in any
> cheapo drum box for the click.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.com
> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Simeon Harris
> <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> chaps, i know this might be a long shot, but does anyone know of a
>> portable media player with multiple outputs? i'd like to be able to
>> play one stereo pair (a backing track) through one set of outs and a
>> click track through another (headphone out would be best). i've been
>> using ableton on my laptop to do this, but i'd really prefer a small
>> portable hardware device, if possible...
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> sim
>>
>

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interesting idea, todd...but they's all be phono's, wouldn't they? and
i'd have to create a 5.1 backing track in logic and then burn onto a
dvd, yes?

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 I think it you were to get a reasonable 50 dollar DVD player it has 5
outs doesn't it?

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Exactly. Or in live, doesnt matter. Get adapters and you're good go. Stick e=
m into a mixer!

Sent from my iPhone

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> interesting idea, todd...but they's all be phono's, wouldn't they? and
> i'd have to create a 5.1 backing track in logic and then burn onto a
> dvd, yes?
>=20
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Todd Reynolds <toddreyn@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think it you were to get a reasonable 50 dollar DVD player it has 5
> outs doesn't it?
>=20

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Another funny solution - used by list member Andrew Chaikin AKA Kid
Beyond and many others - is to mix the countdown into the backing
track and make it sound as something you play on your instrument. With
most instruments you can get away with looking as if playing for one
bar, or just make some intro noise that will mask out the countdown
for anyone that isn't particularly listening for it. I used that trick
a lot during the nineties when touring with a trio doing DAT playback
shows with some live instruments and no time for soundcheck
what-so-ever... :-)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Simeon Harris
<simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
> yeah, i've looked at the boss BR micro recorders and they would be
> perfect, except they only have one output. the zoom R8 and R16 look
> like possibilities (the R16 will definitely send a click to the
> headphone out....not sure about the R8), but again, it's overkill for
> what i need...
>
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I don't know any such product, except for multi-track recorders with
>> multiple outputs. But a workaround could be to find a stereo media
>> player that also submits some sync signal so you can plug in any
>> cheapo drum box for the click.
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.perboysen.com
>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Simeon Harris
>> <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> chaps, i know this might be a long shot, but does anyone know of a
>>> portable media player with multiple outputs? i'd like to be able to
>>> play one stereo pair (a backing track) through one set of outs and a
>>> click track through another (headphone out would be best). i've been
>>> using ableton on my laptop to do this, but i'd really prefer a small
>>> portable hardware device, if possible...
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>
>>> sim
>>>
>>
>

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HA! Me too!! In the 80s it was normal to have weird TV snippets as samples
in songs, we had a few as cues before tracks... Whenever I hear the Radio
Broadcast in Texas Chainsaw Massacre..

"There are several reports of graves being disturbed in the area"

...I think... 2, 3 4. PLAY!!!

M

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> Another funny solution - used by list member Andrew Chaikin AKA Kid
> Beyond and many others - is to mix the countdown into the backing
> track and make it sound as something you play on your instrument. With
> most instruments you can get away with looking as if playing for one
> bar, or just make some intro noise that will mask out the countdown
> for anyone that isn't particularly listening for it. I used that trick
> a lot during the nineties when touring with a trio doing DAT playback
> shows with some live instruments and no time for soundcheck
> what-so-ever... :-)
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.com
> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Simeon Harris
> <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > yeah, i've looked at the boss BR micro recorders and they would be
> > perfect, except they only have one output. the zoom R8 and R16 look
> > like possibilities (the R16 will definitely send a click to the
> > headphone out....not sure about the R8), but again, it's overkill for
> > what i need...
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I don't know any such product, except for multi-track recorders with
> >> multiple outputs. But a workaround could be to find a stereo media
> >> player that also submits some sync signal so you can plug in any
> >> cheapo drum box for the click.
> >>
> >> Greetings from Sweden
> >>
> >> Per Boysen
> >> www.perboysen.com
> >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Simeon Harris
> >> <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >>> chaps, i know this might be a long shot, but does anyone know of a
> >>> portable media player with multiple outputs? i'd like to be able to
> >>> play one stereo pair (a backing track) through one set of outs and a
> >>> click track through another (headphone out would be best). i've been
> >>> using ableton on my laptop to do this, but i'd really prefer a small
> >>> portable hardware device, if possible...
> >>>
> >>> cheers
> >>>
> >>> sim
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
>


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HA! Me too!! In the 80s it was normal to have weird TV snippets as samples =
in songs, we had a few as cues before tracks... Whenever I hear the Radio B=
roadcast in Texas Chainsaw Massacre..<br><br>&quot;There are several report=
s of graves being disturbed in the area&quot;<br>

<br>...I think... 2, 3 4. PLAY!!!<br><br>M<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote=
">On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Per Boysen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">perboysen@gmail.com</a>&g=
t;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Another funny solution - used by list member=
 Andrew Chaikin AKA Kid<br>
Beyond and many others - is to mix the countdown into the backing<br>
track and make it sound as something you play on your instrument. With<br>
most instruments you can get away with looking as if playing for one<br>
bar, or just make some intro noise that will mask out the countdown<br>
for anyone that isn&#39;t particularly listening for it. I used that trick<=
br>
a lot during the nineties when touring with a trio doing DAT playback<br>
shows with some live instruments and no time for soundcheck<br>
what-so-ever... :-)<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
Greetings from Sweden<br>
<br>
Per Boysen<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com" target=3D"_blank">www.perboysen.com</a=
><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/perboysen" target=3D"_blank">http://www.y=
outube.com/perboysen</a><br>
<br>
<br>
</div>On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Simeon Harris<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:simeonharris4=
0@googlemail.com">simeonharris40@googlemail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; yeah, i&#39;ve looked at the boss BR micro recorders and they would be=
<br>
&gt; perfect, except they only have one output. the zoom R8 and R16 look<br=
>
&gt; like possibilities (the R16 will definitely send a click to the<br>
&gt; headphone out....not sure about the R8), but again, it&#39;s overkill =
for<br>
&gt; what i need...<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Per Boysen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:perbo=
ysen@gmail.com">perboysen@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; I don&#39;t know any such product, except for multi-track recorder=
s with<br>
&gt;&gt; multiple outputs. But a workaround could be to find a stereo media=
<br>
&gt;&gt; player that also submits some sync signal so you can plug in any<b=
r>
&gt;&gt; cheapo drum box for the click.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Greetings from Sweden<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Per Boysen<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com" target=3D"_blank">www.perboys=
en.com</a><br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/perboysen" target=3D"_blank">htt=
p://www.youtube.com/perboysen</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Simeon Harris<br>
&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:simeonharris40@googlemail.com">simeonharris4=
0@googlemail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; chaps, i know this might be a long shot, but does anyone know =
of a<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; portable media player with multiple outputs? i&#39;d like to b=
e able to<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; play one stereo pair (a backing track) through one set of outs=
 and a<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; click track through another (headphone out would be best). i&#=
39;ve been<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; using ableton on my laptop to do this, but i&#39;d really pref=
er a small<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; portable hardware device, if possible...<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; cheers<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; sim<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><i style=3D=
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On 7/1/12 5:21 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote:
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> Finaly got around to upgrading FL Studio. My wallet hurts right now 
> :-S I hope this was worth doing. I hope I will have the discipline to 
> continue live looping now that i have performance/clip launching mode 
> to use for non-looping performances. Whish me luck!
>
The new FL Studio is nothing short of amazing to me.
It is so deep and yet so intuitive to use.

You are going to love it, I predict.    I'd wish you luck,  but you are 
very creative, kay'lon so
I honestly don't think you need luck.     As Richard says, 'follow the 
muse'.

(the muses came from Greek mythology and were female creatures who 
'brought' mankind inspiration)


Ever have those times where something really cool just seems to 'come 
through you'?


People refer metaphorically to be visited by the muses.

In modern times, it's just a synonym for the word creativity.

Richard is say,  when the fires of creativity are with you,  it's a 
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        performance/clip launching mode to use for non-looping
        performances. Whish me luck!</p>
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    <font size="+1">The new FL Studio is nothing short of amazing to me.<br>
      It is so deep and yet so intuitive to use.<br>
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      you are very creative, kay'lon so <br>
      I honestly don't think you need luck.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; As Richard says,&nbsp;&nbsp;
      'follow the muse'.<br>
      <br>
      (the muses came from Greek mythology and were female creatures who
      'brought' mankind inspiration)<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      Ever have those times where something really cool just seems to
      'come through you'?<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      People refer metaphorically to be visited by the muses.<br>
      <br>
      In modern times, it's just a synonym for the word creativity.<br>
      <br>
      Richard is say,&nbsp; when the fires of creativity are with you,&nbsp; it's
      a great thing to just follow your inspiration <br>
      and 'strike, while the iron is hot'&nbsp; (lol, another antiquated
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      <br>
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well put Rick - my favorite quote memory came at a low point in my time
when I had stopped playing briefly.  Ran in to a writer friend who
bequeathed me with 'if the muse is singing on your shoulder, you better
best listen...' and so I have.  Play on Kay'lon...

jim

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

>  On 7/1/12 5:21 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote:
>
> Finaly got around to upgrading FL Studio. My wallet hurts right now :-S I
> hope this was worth doing. I hope I will have the discipline to continue
> live looping now that i have performance/clip launching mode to use for
> non-looping performances. Whish me luck!
>
> The new FL Studio is nothing short of amazing to me.
> It is so deep and yet so intuitive to use.
>
> You are going to love it, I predict.    I'd wish you luck,  but you are
> very creative, kay'lon so
> I honestly don't think you need luck.     As Richard says,   'follow the
> muse'.
>
> (the muses came from Greek mythology and were female creatures who
> 'brought' mankind inspiration)
>
>
> Ever have those times where something really cool just seems to 'come
> through you'?
>
>
> People refer metaphorically to be visited by the muses.
>
> In modern times, it's just a synonym for the word creativity.
>
> Richard is say,  when the fires of creativity are with you,  it's a great
> thing to just follow your inspiration
> and 'strike, while the iron is hot'  (lol, another antiquated metaphor).
>
> good luck,   Rick
>
>


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<div>well put Rick - my favorite quote memory came at a low point in my tim=
e when I had stopped playing briefly.=A0 Ran in to a writer friend who bequ=
eathed me with &#39;if the muse is singing on your shoulder, you better bes=
t listen...&#39; and so I have.=A0 Play on Kay&#39;lon...</div>
<div>=A0</div><div>jim<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul =
2, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Rick Walker <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:loo=
ppool@cruzio.com" target=3D"_blank">looppool@cruzio.com</a>&gt;</span> wrot=
e:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-=
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=3D"gmail_quote">
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    <div>On 7/1/12 5:21 AM, kay&#39;lon rushing
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
      <p>Finaly got around to upgrading FL Studio. My wallet hurts right
        now :-S I hope this was worth doing. I hope I will have the
        discipline to continue live looping now that i have
        performance/clip launching mode to use for non-looping
        performances. Whish me luck!</p>
    </blockquote>
    </div><font size=3D"+1">The new FL Studio is nothing short of amazing t=
o me.<br>
      It is so deep and yet so intuitive to use.<br>
      <br>
      You are going to love it, I predict.=A0=A0=A0 I&#39;d wish you luck,=
=A0 but
      you are very creative, kay&#39;lon so <br>
      I honestly don&#39;t think you need luck.=A0=A0=A0=A0 As Richard says=
,=A0=A0
      &#39;follow the muse&#39;.<br>
      <br>
      (the muses came from Greek mythology and were female creatures who
      &#39;brought&#39; mankind inspiration)<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      Ever have those times where something really cool just seems to
      &#39;come through you&#39;?<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      People refer metaphorically to be visited by the muses.<br>
      <br>
      In modern times, it&#39;s just a synonym for the word creativity.<br>
      <br>
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 recording by Jim Goodin &amp; Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from this CD will=
 benefit <em><a href=3D"http://jdrf.org" target=3D"_blank">JDRF Internation=
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<div><br><em><a href=3D"http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/tips-across-the-wate=
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 new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.</div><br>

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And if you really feel the need, load Parallels and run Windows =85

Congratulations!

Dennis

http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com
http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/


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d
> music making, countless crashes, blue screens of death, compatibility
> errors, installation issues, IRQ conflicts, etc, etc , ad nauseum, I
> converted to Mac.
> All I can say is I don=92t know why I didn=92t do this long ago.  I bough=
t the
> newest Macbook Pro, upgraded processor, memory, and flash drive.  I=92m l=
oving
> it!   I had no idea what I was missing.

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echo'ing congrats Kris.  I converted several years ago, though support
Windows users in my day job and some family members.  I think OS X.xxx for
Apple, they finally arrived.  I do feel saddened by what the news reports
in the factories that build the stuff however but it's hard to negate the
product.

Jim

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com>wrote=
:

> And if you really feel the need, load Parallels and run Windows =85
>
> Congratulations!
>
> Dennis
>
> http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin
> http://audiozoloft.com
> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Kris Hartung <krispen.hartung@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Well, I did it...after 10 years of struggling and fighting with the PC
> and
> > music making, countless crashes, blue screens of death, compatibility
> > errors, installation issues, IRQ conflicts, etc, etc , ad nauseum, I
> > converted to Mac.
> > All I can say is I don=92t know why I didn=92t do this long ago.  I bou=
ght
> the
> > newest Macbook Pro, upgraded processor, memory, and flash drive.  I=92m
> loving
> > it!   I had no idea what I was missing.
>
>


--=20
--=20
*jimgoodin.com* <http://jimgoodin.com> - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance,
color blue, repetitive minimalism'

*From Brooklyn To Glindran <http://jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com>*, a
new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn.  Proceeds from
this CD will benefit *JDRF International <http://jdrf.org>*

*Tips Across the
Waters<http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/tips-across-the-waters/id474128076?mt=
=3D8>
*, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.

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<div>echo&#39;ing congrats Kris. =A0I converted several years ago, though s=
upport Windows users in my day job and some family members.=A0 I think OS X=
.xxx for Apple, they finally arrived.=A0 I do feel saddened by what the new=
s reports in the factories that build the stuff however but it&#39;s hard t=
o negate the product.</div>
<div>=A0</div><div>Jim<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul =
2, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Dennis Moser <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:si=
nsofmachaut@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">sinsofmachaut@gmail.com</a>&gt;</s=
pan> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-=
color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class=
=3D"gmail_quote">And if you really feel the need, load Parallels and run Wi=
ndows =85<br>

<br>
Congratulations!<br>
<br>
Dennis<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin" target=3D"_blank">http://soundclo=
ud.com/usrsbin</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://audiozoloft.com" target=3D"_blank">http://audiozoloft.com=
</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://usrsla=
shsbin.angrek.com/</a><br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Kris Hartung &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:krispen.=
hartung@gmail.com">krispen.hartung@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Well, I did it...after 10 years of struggling and fighting with the PC=
 and<br>
&gt; music making, countless crashes, blue screens of death, compatibility<=
br>
&gt; errors, installation issues, IRQ conflicts, etc, etc , ad nauseum, I<b=
r>
&gt; converted to Mac.<br>
&gt; All I can say is I don=92t know why I didn=92t do this long ago. =A0I =
bought the<br>
&gt; newest Macbook Pro, upgraded processor, memory, and flash drive. =A0I=
=92m loving<br>
&gt; it! =A0 I had no idea what I was missing.<br>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><div>-- </d=
iv><div><a href=3D"http://jimgoodin.com" target=3D"_blank"><em>jimgoodin.co=
m</em></a> - &#39;Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minim=
alism&#39;</div>
<div>=A0</div><div><em><a href=3D"http://jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com" =
target=3D"_blank">From Brooklyn To Glindran</a></em>, a new World/Free Jazz=
 recording by Jim Goodin &amp; Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from this CD will=
 benefit <em><a href=3D"http://jdrf.org" target=3D"_blank">JDRF Internation=
al</a></em></div>
<div><br><em><a href=3D"http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/tips-across-the-wate=
rs/id474128076?mt=3D8" target=3D"_blank">Tips Across the Waters</a></em>, a=
 new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.</div><br>

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:-)

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Kris Hartung wrote:

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and  music making, countless crashes, blue screens of death,=20
compatibility errors,  installation issues, IRQ conflicts, etc, etc , ad=20
nauseum, I converted to  Mac.
All I can say is I don=E2=80=99t know why I didn=E2=80=99t do this long ago=
.  I bought=20
the newest Macbook Pro, upgraded processor, memory, and flash drive.=20
I=E2=80=99m  loving it!   I had no idea what I was missing.

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One of the big downsides for me personally is the fact that Apple software =
has to be purchased through the Apple store therefore I can no longer get e=
ducational discounts from work. Bah! The discounts were substantial. I did =
really like Logic, though (I sold my iMac).=0A=C2=A0=0AHowever, I did have =
some difficulty installing software ont the iMac (not Apple's stuff). Speci=
fically, the Sampletron software. I finally gave up and installed it on my =
Toshiba Windows laptop!=0A=C2=A0=0AI will probably purchase another Apple P=
C more than likely an iMac.=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A Fr=
om: tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net>=0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loope=
rs-delight.com =0ASent: Monday, July 2, 2012 7:12 PM=0ASubject: RE: Convers=
ion to Mac!=0A  =0A=0A:-)=0A=0AOn Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Kris Hartung=
 wrote:=0A=0A=C2=A0Well, I did it...after 10 years of struggling and fighti=
ng with the PC and=C2=A0 music making, countless crashes, blue screens of d=
eath, compatibility errors,=C2=A0 installation issues, IRQ conflicts, etc, =
etc , ad nauseum, I converted to=C2=A0 Mac. =0AAll I can say is I don=E2=80=
=99t know why I didn=E2=80=99t do this long ago.=C2=A0 I bought=C2=A0 the n=
ewest Macbook Pro, upgraded processor, memory, and flash drive.=C2=A0 I=E2=
=80=99m=C2=A0 loving it!=C2=A0=C2=A0 I had no idea what I was missing. 
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>One of the=
 big downsides for me personally is the fact that Apple software has to be =
purchased through the Apple store therefore I can no longer get educational=
 discounts from work. Bah! The discounts were substantial. I did really lik=
e Lo</span><span>gic, though (I sold my iMac).</span></div><div><span></spa=
n>&nbsp;</div><div><span>However, I did have some difficulty installing sof=
tware ont the iMac (not Apple's stuff). Specifically, the Sampletron softwa=
re. I finally gave up and installed it on my Toshiba Windows laptop!</span>=
</div><div><span></span>&nbsp;</div><div><span>I will probably purchase ano=
ther Apple PC more than likely an iMac.</span></div><div><br></div>  <div s=
tyle=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12=
pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif;
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4); height: 0px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;" class=3D"hr" contentEdita=
ble=3D"false" readonly=3D"true"></div>  <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold=
;">From:</span></b> tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn &lt;tedkillian@charter.net&gt;<br> <=
b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Loopers-Delight@loopers=
-delight.com <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Mo=
nday, July 2, 2012 7:12 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subjec=
t:</span></b> RE: Conversion to Mac!<br> </font> </div> <br>=0A<div id=3D"y=
iv238281688"><div align=3D"LEFT"><font color=3D"#000000" size=3D"2" face=3D=
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a"><br></font><div align=3D"LEFT"><font color=3D"#000000" size=3D"2" face=
=3D"Verdana">On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Kris Hartung wrote:</font></di=
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ize=3D"3">Well, I did it...after 10 years of struggling and fighting with t=
he PC and&nbsp; music making, countless crashes, blue screens of death, com=
patibility errors,&nbsp; installation issues, IRQ conflicts, etc, etc , ad =
nauseum, I converted to&nbsp; Mac. </font></font></div><div align=3D"LEFT">=
<font color=3D"#000000" size=3D"3" face=3D"Verdana">All I can say is I don=
=E2=80=99t know why I didn=E2=80=99t do this long ago.&nbsp; I bought&nbsp;=
 the newest Macbook Pro, upgraded processor, memory, and flash drive.&nbsp;=
 I=E2=80=99m&nbsp; loving it!&nbsp;&nbsp; I had no
 idea what I was missing. <font size=3D"2"></font></font></div></div><br><b=
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I started using a Mac as my daily work machine a few months ago, there are =
only two things I miss.

First the copy/paste keys are Command-C and Command-V rather than Control-C=
 and Control-V and
I haven't found a good way to map them.  I get used to it but it drives me =
nuts when I have
to switch between a Mac and a PC.

Second, I can't stand Finder and the file chooser dialogs.  I am a fast typ=
ist, when I want a file the easiest
way for me is to type in the name and have the OS do auto-complete.  Not on=
 a Mac.  Oh no, you're
not supposed to TYPE on a Mac, you're supposed to wiggle and scroll and cli=
ck for 5 minutes over a deep directory tree.
And if you want to search, by golly of course you want to search the ENTIRE=
 file system, not the directory you
are currently in.  Yes there's that goofy button under the search box where=
 you can select to search in just
the folder, why the hell isn't this the default?

Using any media file that isn't in an Officially Sanctioned Apple Format (Q=
uicktime)  is a bit of a pain,
but there are 3rd party apps.    There are no games but you can use Bootcam=
p if you have enough disk.

Oh and SoundFourge.  There is not a single commercial or free Mac sound edi=
tor that works as well
as SoundFourge and don't waste time suggesting Ardor.  I still do all my .w=
av file editing on a PC
if I can.

If you do any C++ development, Xcode just flat out sucks compared to Visual=
 Studio.  I also find Apple's
online docs much harder to use than MSDN.

On the plus side Logic and Mainstage are great and hibernate just works.  I=
 have never had a
PC laptop that could come out of hibernation reliably.

Overall I'm happy with the switch and I'd do it again.

Jeff



From: Kris Hartung <krispen.hartung@gmail.com<mailto:krispen.hartung@gmail.=
com>>
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Date: Monday, July 2, 2012 5:42 PM
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Well, I did it...after 10 years of struggling and fighting with the PC and =
music making, countless crashes, blue screens of death, compatibility error=
s, installation issues, IRQ conflicts, etc, etc , ad nauseum, I converted t=
o Mac.
All I can say is I don=92t know why I didn=92t do this long ago.  I bought =
the newest Macbook Pro, upgraded processor, memory, and flash drive.  I=92m=
 loving it!   I had no idea what I was missing.

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ly: Calibri, sans-serif; ">
<div>I started using a Mac as my daily work machine a few months ago, there=
 are only two things I miss.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>First the copy/paste keys are Command-C and Command-V rather than Cont=
rol-C and Control-V and</div>
<div>I haven't found a good way to map them. &nbsp;I get used to it but it =
drives me nuts when I have</div>
<div>to switch between a Mac and a PC.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Second, I can't stand Finder and the file chooser dialogs. &nbsp;I am =
a fast typist, when I want a file the easiest</div>
<div>way for me is to type in the name and have the OS do auto-complete. &n=
bsp;Not on a Mac. &nbsp;Oh no, you're</div>
<div>not supposed to TYPE on a Mac, you're supposed to wiggle and scroll an=
d click for 5 minutes over a deep directory tree.</div>
<div>And if you want to search, by golly of course you want to search the E=
NTIRE file system, not the directory you</div>
<div>are currently in. &nbsp;Yes there's that goofy button under the search=
 box where you can select to search in just</div>
<div>the folder, why the hell isn't this the default?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Using any media file that isn't in an Officially Sanctioned Apple Form=
at (Quicktime) &nbsp;is a bit of a pain,&nbsp;</div>
<div>but there are 3rd party apps. &nbsp; &nbsp;There are no games but you =
can use Bootcamp if you have enough disk.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Oh and SoundFourge. &nbsp;There is not a single commercial or free Mac=
 sound editor that works as well</div>
<div>as SoundFourge and don't waste time suggesting Ardor. &nbsp;I still do=
 all my .wav file editing on a PC&nbsp;</div>
<div>if I can.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If you do any C&#43;&#43; development, Xcode just flat out sucks compa=
red to Visual Studio. &nbsp;I also find Apple's</div>
<div>online docs much harder to use than MSDN. &nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On the plus side Logic and Mainstage are great and hibernate just work=
s. &nbsp;I have never had a&nbsp;</div>
<div>PC laptop that could come out of hibernation reliably. &nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Overall I'm happy with the switch and I'd do it again.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Jeff</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span>Kris Hartung &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:krispen.hartung@gmail.com">krispen.hartung@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Reply-To: </span>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:L=
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br>
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<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Conversion to Mac!<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Resent-From: </span>&quot;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<=
/a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Looper=
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<div>Well, I did it...after 10 years of struggling and fighting with the PC=
 and music making, countless crashes, blue screens of death, compatibility =
errors, installation issues, IRQ conflicts, etc, etc , ad nauseum, I conver=
ted to Mac.</div>
<div>All I can say is I don=92t know why I didn=92t do this long ago.&nbsp;=
 I bought the newest Macbook Pro, upgraded processor, memory, and flash dri=
ve.&nbsp; I=92m loving it!&nbsp;&nbsp; I had no idea what I was missing.
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I believe Sound Forge is finally coming to the MAC (nasty teaser site
thought to be from Sony http://www.finallyonthemac.com/)

Of course, who knows when but still, this rumor isn't really a bad one
to spread.

Kevin

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> wro=
te:
> I started using a Mac as my daily work machine a few months ago, there ar=
e
> only two things I miss.
>
> First the copy/paste keys are Command-C and Command-V rather than Control=
-C
> and Control-V and
> I haven't found a good way to map them.  I get used to it but it drives m=
e
> nuts when I have
> to switch between a Mac and a PC.
>
> Second, I can't stand Finder and the file chooser dialogs.  I am a fast
> typist, when I want a file the easiest
> way for me is to type in the name and have the OS do auto-complete.  Not =
on
> a Mac.  Oh no, you're
> not supposed to TYPE on a Mac, you're supposed to wiggle and scroll and
> click for 5 minutes over a deep directory tree.
> And if you want to search, by golly of course you want to search the ENTI=
RE
> file system, not the directory you
> are currently in.  Yes there's that goofy button under the search box whe=
re
> you can select to search in just
> the folder, why the hell isn't this the default?
>
> Using any media file that isn't in an Officially Sanctioned Apple Format
> (Quicktime)  is a bit of a pain,
> but there are 3rd party apps.    There are no games but you can use Bootc=
amp
> if you have enough disk.
>
> Oh and SoundFourge.  There is not a single commercial or free Mac sound
> editor that works as well
> as SoundFourge and don't waste time suggesting Ardor.  I still do all my
> .wav file editing on a PC
> if I can.
>
> If you do any C++ development, Xcode just flat out sucks compared to Visu=
al
> Studio.  I also find Apple's
> online docs much harder to use than MSDN.
>
> On the plus side Logic and Mainstage are great and hibernate just works. =
 I
> have never had a
> PC laptop that could come out of hibernation reliably.
>
> Overall I'm happy with the switch and I'd do it again.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> From: Kris Hartung <krispen.hartung@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"
> <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Date: Monday, July 2, 2012 5:42 PM
> To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"
> <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Subject: Conversion to Mac!
> Resent-From: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"
> <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
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>
> Well, I did it...after 10 years of struggling and fighting with the PC an=
d
> music making, countless crashes, blue screens of death, compatibility
> errors, installation issues, IRQ conflicts, etc, etc , ad nauseum, I
> converted to Mac.
> All I can say is I don=92t know why I didn=92t do this long ago.  I bough=
t the
> newest Macbook Pro, upgraded processor, memory, and flash drive.  I=92m l=
oving
> it!   I had no idea what I was missing.



--=20
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org
Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos

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Jeff, grab quicksilver. It's a finder godsend. Alfred works too.=20

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 2, 2012, at 7:14 PM, Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> wrote:

> I started using a Mac as my daily work machine a few months ago, there are=
 only two things I miss.
>=20
> First the copy/paste keys are Command-C and Command-V rather than Control-=
C and Control-V and
> I haven't found a good way to map them.  I get used to it but it drives me=
 nuts when I have
> to switch between a Mac and a PC.
>=20
> Second, I can't stand Finder and the file chooser dialogs.  I am a fast ty=
pist, when I want a file the easiest
> way for me is to type in the name and have the OS do auto-complete.  Not o=
n a Mac.  Oh no, you're
> not supposed to TYPE on a Mac, you're supposed to wiggle and scroll and cl=
ick for 5 minutes over a deep directory tree.
> And if you want to search, by golly of course you want to search the ENTIR=
E file system, not the directory you
> are currently in.  Yes there's that goofy button under the search box wher=
e you can select to search in just
> the folder, why the hell isn't this the default?
>=20
> Using any media file that isn't in an Officially Sanctioned Apple Format (=
Quicktime)  is a bit of a pain,=20
> but there are 3rd party apps.    There are no games but you can use Bootca=
mp if you have enough disk.
>=20
> Oh and SoundFourge.  There is not a single commercial or free Mac sound ed=
itor that works as well
> as SoundFourge and don't waste time suggesting Ardor.  I still do all my .=
wav file editing on a PC=20
> if I can.
>=20
> If you do any C++ development, Xcode just flat out sucks compared to Visua=
l Studio.  I also find Apple's
> online docs much harder to use than MSDN. =20
>=20
> On the plus side Logic and Mainstage are great and hibernate just works.  I=
 have never had a=20
> PC laptop that could come out of hibernation reliably. =20
>=20
> Overall I'm happy with the switch and I'd do it again.
>=20
> Jeff
>=20
>=20
>=20
> From: Kris Hartung <krispen.hartung@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-d=
elight.com>
> Date: Monday, July 2, 2012 5:42 PM
> To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight=
.com>
> Subject: Conversion to Mac!
> Resent-From: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@looper=
s-delight.com>
> Resent-Date: Monday, July 2, 2012 5:42 PM
>=20
> Well, I did it...after 10 years of struggling and fighting with the PC and=
 music making, countless crashes, blue screens of death, compatibility error=
s, installation issues, IRQ conflicts, etc, etc , ad nauseum, I converted to=
 Mac.
> All I can say is I don=E2=80=99t know why I didn=E2=80=99t do this long ag=
o.  I bought the newest Macbook Pro, upgraded processor, memory, and flash d=
rive.  I=E2=80=99m loving it!   I had no idea what I was missing.

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<html><head></head><body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>Jeff, grab quicksilver. It=
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><div><br>On Jul 2, 2012, at 7:14 PM, Jeff Larson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jeff=
.larson@sailpoint.com">jeff.larson@sailpoint.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div=
><div></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>

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<div>I started using a Mac as my daily work machine a few months ago, there a=
re only two things I miss.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>First the copy/paste keys are Command-C and Command-V rather than Contr=
ol-C and Control-V and</div>
<div>I haven't found a good way to map them. &nbsp;I get used to it but it d=
rives me nuts when I have</div>
<div>to switch between a Mac and a PC.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Second, I can't stand Finder and the file chooser dialogs. &nbsp;I am a=
 fast typist, when I want a file the easiest</div>
<div>way for me is to type in the name and have the OS do auto-complete. &nb=
sp;Not on a Mac. &nbsp;Oh no, you're</div>
<div>not supposed to TYPE on a Mac, you're supposed to wiggle and scroll and=
 click for 5 minutes over a deep directory tree.</div>
<div>And if you want to search, by golly of course you want to search the EN=
TIRE file system, not the directory you</div>
<div>are currently in. &nbsp;Yes there's that goofy button under the search b=
ox where you can select to search in just</div>
<div>the folder, why the hell isn't this the default?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Using any media file that isn't in an Officially Sanctioned Apple Forma=
t (Quicktime) &nbsp;is a bit of a pain,&nbsp;</div>
<div>but there are 3rd party apps. &nbsp; &nbsp;There are no games but you c=
an use Bootcamp if you have enough disk.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Oh and SoundFourge. &nbsp;There is not a single commercial or free Mac s=
ound editor that works as well</div>
<div>as SoundFourge and don't waste time suggesting Ardor. &nbsp;I still do a=
ll my .wav file editing on a PC&nbsp;</div>
<div>if I can.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If you do any C++ development, Xcode just flat out sucks compared to Vi=
sual Studio. &nbsp;I also find Apple's</div>
<div>online docs much harder to use than MSDN. &nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On the plus side Logic and Mainstage are great and hibernate just works=
. &nbsp;I have never had a&nbsp;</div>
<div>PC laptop that could come out of hibernation reliably. &nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Overall I'm happy with the switch and I'd do it again.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Jeff</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span>Kris Hartung &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
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<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Reply-To: </span>"<a href=3D"mailto:Loopers=
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a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@looper=
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=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loopers-deli=
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nd music making, countless crashes, blue screens of death, compatibility err=
ors, installation issues, IRQ conflicts, etc, etc , ad nauseum, I converted t=
o Mac.</div>
<div>All I can say is I don=E2=80=99t know why I didn=E2=80=99t do this long=
 ago.&nbsp; I bought the newest Macbook Pro, upgraded processor, memory, and=
 flash drive.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99m loving it!&nbsp;&nbsp; I had no idea what I w=
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I have used "other people's computers for years. 2 years ago, I finally bou=
ght an I-mac. Should have waited 6 months. 8gig RAM instead of 4. Oh well, =
you gotta get on the train sometime. I wouldn't go any other way. This thin=
g is lightning fast compared to all the PCs I've worked with. I'm sure it's=
 not the fault of the PC,but it is true nevertheless. =0ARig=0A=0A=0A______=
__________________________=0A From: Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com>=
=0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Monday, July 2, 2012 4:=
07 PM=0ASubject: Re: Conversion to Mac!=0A =0A=0Aecho'ing congrats Kris. =
=C2=A0I converted several years ago, though support Windows users in my day=
 job and some family members.=C2=A0 I think OS X.xxx for Apple, they finall=
y arrived.=C2=A0 I do feel saddened by what the news reports in the factori=
es that build the stuff however but it's hard to negate the product.=0A=C2=
=A0=0AJim=0A=0A=0AOn Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Dennis Moser <sinsofmacha=
ut@gmail.com> wrote:=0A=0AAnd if you really feel the need, load Parallels a=
nd run Windows =E2=80=A6=0A>=0A>Congratulations!=0A>=0A>Dennis=0A>=0A>http:=
//soundcloud.com/usrsbin=0A>http://audiozoloft.com=0A>http://usrslashsbin.a=
ngrek.com/=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Kris Hartung <kri=
spen.hartung@gmail.com> wrote:=0A>> Well, I did it...after 10 years of stru=
ggling and fighting with the PC and=0A>> music making, countless crashes, b=
lue screens of death, compatibility=0A>> errors, installation issues, IRQ c=
onflicts, etc, etc , ad nauseum, I=0A>> converted to Mac.=0A>> All I can sa=
y is I don=E2=80=99t know why I didn=E2=80=99t do this long ago. =C2=A0I bo=
ught the=0A>> newest Macbook Pro, upgraded processor, memory, and flash dri=
ve. =C2=A0I=E2=80=99m loving=0A>> it! =C2=A0 I had no idea what I was missi=
ng.=0A>=0A>=0A=0A=0A-- =0A=0A-- =0Ajimgoodin.com - 'Acoustic guitar renaiss=
ance, color blue, repetitive minimalism'=0A=C2=A0=0AFrom Brooklyn To Glindr=
an, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=C3=B6rn.=C2=A0=
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I have used &quot;other people&#39;s computers for years. 2 years ago, I fi=
nally bought an I-mac. Should have waited 6 months. 8gig RAM instead of 4. =
Oh well, you gotta get on the train sometime. I wouldn&#39;t go any other w=
ay. This thing is lightning fast compared to all the PCs I&#39;ve worked wi=
th. I&#39;m sure it&#39;s not the fault of the PC,but it is true neverthele=
ss. <br />Rig<br>  <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, ti=
mes, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, =
new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div  dir=3D"ltr" > <font size=
=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <hr size=3D"1">  <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;=
">From:</span></b> Jim Goodin &lt;jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com&gt;<br> <b><span=
 style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Loopers-Delight@loopers-deligh=
t.com <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, J=
uly 2, 2012 4:07 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</spa=
n></b> Re:
 Conversion to Mac!<br> </font> </div> <br>=0A<div id=3Dyiv1352591620><div>=
echo&#39;ing congrats Kris. =C2=A0I converted several years ago, though sup=
port Windows users in my day job and some family members.=C2=A0 I think OS =
X.xxx for Apple, they finally arrived.=C2=A0 I do feel saddened by what the=
 news reports in the factories that build the stuff however but it&#39;s ha=
rd to negate the product.</div>=0A<div>=C2=A0</div><div>Jim<br><br></div><d=
iv class=3D"yiv1352591620gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Denni=
s Moser <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:sinsofm=
achaut@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:sinsofmachaut@gmail.com"=
>sinsofmachaut@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>=0A<blockquote style=3D"m=
argin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)=
;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;" class=3D"yiv1352591620gmai=
l_quote">And if you really feel the need, load Parallels and run Windows =
=E2=80=A6<br>=0A=0A<br>=0ACongratulations!<br>=0A<br>=0ADennis<br>=0A<br>=
=0Ahttp://soundcloud.com/usrsbin<br>=0Ahttp://audiozoloft.com<br>=0Ahttp://=
usrslashsbin.angrek.com/<br>=0A<div class=3D"yiv1352591620HOEnZb"><div clas=
s=3D"yiv1352591620h5"><br>=0A<br>=0AOn Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Kris Ha=
rtung &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:krispen.hartung@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:krispen.hartung@gmail.com">krispen.hartung=
@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>=0A&gt; Well, I did it...after 10 years of str=
uggling and fighting with the PC and<br>=0A&gt; music making, countless cra=
shes, blue screens of death, compatibility<br>=0A&gt; errors, installation =
issues, IRQ conflicts, etc, etc , ad nauseum, I<br>=0A&gt; converted to Mac=
.<br>=0A&gt; All I can say is I don=E2=80=99t know why I didn=E2=80=99t do =
this long ago. =C2=A0I bought the<br>=0A&gt; newest Macbook Pro, upgraded p=
rocessor, memory, and flash drive. =C2=A0I=E2=80=99m loving<br>=0A&gt; it! =
=C2=A0 I had no idea what I was missing.<br>=0A<br>=0A</div></div></blockqu=
ote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><div>-- </div><div><a rel=3D"nof=
ollow" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://jimgoodin.com"><em>jimgoodin.com</e=
m></a> - &#39;Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minimalis=
m&#39;</div>=0A<div>=C2=A0</div><div><em><a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_bla=
nk" href=3D"http://jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com">From Brooklyn To Glind=
ran</a></em>, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin &amp; Peter Th=
=C3=B6rn.=C2=A0 Proceeds from this CD will benefit <em><a rel=3D"nofollow" =
target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://jdrf.org">JDRF International</a></em></div=
>=0A<div><br><em><a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://itune=
s.apple.com/us/app/tips-across-the-waters/id474128076?mt=3D8">Tips Across t=
he Waters</a></em>, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.=
</div><br>=0A</div><br><br> </div> </div>  
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My friend and I were at best buy for a long time today, of course not
expecting to be able to afford anything they sell lol, but we were checking
out all the computers and tablets and got this funny idea. We decided that
since the majority of the working demo laptops and tablets were connected
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<p>My friend and I were at best buy for a long time today, of course not ex=
pecting to be able to afford anything they sell lol, but we were checking o=
ut all the computers and tablets and got this funny idea. We decided that s=
ince the majority of the working demo laptops and tablets were connected to=
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cidentally&quot; leave them with one of my live looping videos full screene=
d on youtube so that the next person to check out that device might come ac=
ross my music. It probably didnt get me any more online fans but it was wor=
th a try haha.</p>


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I use mainly mac now too - less time gaffing about with techie stuff is goo=
d news for me. I really miss the 3rd party plugins though. This is massive =
loss for me. Apple's iron grip just doesn't lend itself to the groundswell =
developer scene that the humble PC has in droves.My apple look better than =
my VAIO on paper=2C (processor speed=2C more cores=2C more ram etc) but whe=
n I run windows on it using bootcamp=2C the VAIO beats it hands down. Anyon=
e know why?
peace
g

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

From: jeff.larson@sailpoint.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Conversion to Mac!
Date: Mon=2C 2 Jul 2012 23:14:58 +0000






I started using a Mac as my daily work machine a few months ago=2C there ar=
e only two things I miss.



First the copy/paste keys are Command-C and Command-V rather than Control-C=
 and Control-V and
I haven't found a good way to map them.  I get used to it but it drives me =
nuts when I have
to switch between a Mac and a PC.



Second=2C I can't stand Finder and the file chooser dialogs.  I am a fast t=
ypist=2C when I want a file the easiest
way for me is to type in the name and have the OS do auto-complete.  Not on=
 a Mac.  Oh no=2C you're
not supposed to TYPE on a Mac=2C you're supposed to wiggle and scroll and c=
lick for 5 minutes over a deep directory tree.
And if you want to search=2C by golly of course you want to search the ENTI=
RE file system=2C not the directory you
are currently in.  Yes there's that goofy button under the search box where=
 you can select to search in just
the folder=2C why the hell isn't this the default?



Using any media file that isn't in an Officially Sanctioned Apple Format (Q=
uicktime)  is a bit of a pain=2C=20
but there are 3rd party apps.    There are no games but you can use Bootcam=
p if you have enough disk.



Oh and SoundFourge.  There is not a single commercial or free Mac sound edi=
tor that works as well
as SoundFourge and don't waste time suggesting Ardor.  I still do all my .w=
av file editing on a PC=20
if I can.



If you do any C++ development=2C Xcode just flat out sucks compared to Visu=
al Studio.  I also find Apple's
online docs much harder to use than MSDN. =20



On the plus side Logic and Mainstage are great and hibernate just works.  I=
 have never had a=20
PC laptop that could come out of hibernation reliably. =20



Overall I'm happy with the switch and I'd do it again.



Jeff











From: Kris Hartung <krispen.hartung@gmail.com>

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Date: Monday=2C July 2=2C 2012 5:42 PM

To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.=
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Subject: Conversion to Mac!

Resent-From: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers=
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Well=2C I did it...after 10 years of struggling and fighting with the PC an=
d music making=2C countless crashes=2C blue screens of death=2C compatibili=
ty errors=2C installation issues=2C IRQ conflicts=2C etc=2C etc =2C ad naus=
eum=2C I converted to Mac.
All I can say is I don=92t know why I didn=92t do this long ago.  I bought =
the newest Macbook Pro=2C upgraded processor=2C memory=2C and flash drive. =
 I=92m loving it!   I had no idea what I was missing.





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I use mainly mac now too - less time gaffing about with techie stuff is goo=
d news for me. I really miss the 3rd party plugins though. This is massive =
loss for me. Apple's iron grip just doesn't lend itself to the groundswell =
developer scene that the humble PC has in droves.<div>My apple look better =
than my VAIO on paper=2C (processor speed=2C more cores=2C more ram etc) bu=
t when I run windows on it using bootcamp=2C the VAIO beats it hands down. =
Anyone know why?</div><div><br></div><div>peace</div><div><br></div><div>g<=
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.uk" target=3D"_blank">garethwhittock.co.uk</a><br><br><div><div id=3D"SkyD=
rivePlaceholder"></div><hr id=3D"stopSpelling">From: jeff.larson@sailpoint.=
com<br>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br>Subject: Re: Conversion t=
o Mac!<br>Date: Mon=2C 2 Jul 2012 23:14:58 +0000<br><br>




<div>I started using a Mac as my daily work machine a few months ago=2C the=
re are only two things I miss.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>First the copy/paste keys are Command-C and Command-V rather than Cont=
rol-C and Control-V and</div>
<div>I haven't found a good way to map them. &nbsp=3BI get used to it but i=
t drives me nuts when I have</div>
<div>to switch between a Mac and a PC.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Second=2C I can't stand Finder and the file chooser dialogs. &nbsp=3BI=
 am a fast typist=2C when I want a file the easiest</div>
<div>way for me is to type in the name and have the OS do auto-complete. &n=
bsp=3BNot on a Mac. &nbsp=3BOh no=2C you're</div>
<div>not supposed to TYPE on a Mac=2C you're supposed to wiggle and scroll =
and click for 5 minutes over a deep directory tree.</div>
<div>And if you want to search=2C by golly of course you want to search the=
 ENTIRE file system=2C not the directory you</div>
<div>are currently in. &nbsp=3BYes there's that goofy button under the sear=
ch box where you can select to search in just</div>
<div>the folder=2C why the hell isn't this the default?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Using any media file that isn't in an Officially Sanctioned Apple Form=
at (Quicktime) &nbsp=3Bis a bit of a pain=2C&nbsp=3B</div>
<div>but there are 3rd party apps. &nbsp=3B &nbsp=3BThere are no games but =
you can use Bootcamp if you have enough disk.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Oh and SoundFourge. &nbsp=3BThere is not a single commercial or free M=
ac sound editor that works as well</div>
<div>as SoundFourge and don't waste time suggesting Ardor. &nbsp=3BI still =
do all my .wav file editing on a PC&nbsp=3B</div>
<div>if I can.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If you do any C++ development=2C Xcode just flat out sucks compared to=
 Visual Studio. &nbsp=3BI also find Apple's</div>
<div>online docs much harder to use than MSDN. &nbsp=3B</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On the plus side Logic and Mainstage are great and hibernate just work=
s. &nbsp=3BI have never had a&nbsp=3B</div>
<div>PC laptop that could come out of hibernation reliably. &nbsp=3B</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Overall I'm happy with the switch and I'd do it again.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Jeff</div>
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PC and music making=2C countless crashes=2C blue screens of death=2C compat=
ibility errors=2C installation issues=2C IRQ conflicts=2C etc=2C etc =2C ad=
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You have joined the underground squad of gerilla promoters ;-)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 4:33 AM, kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:
> My friend and I were at best buy for a long time today, of course not
> expecting to be able to afford anything they sell lol, but we were checking
> out all the computers and tablets and got this funny idea. We decided that
> since the majority of the working demo laptops and tablets were connected to
> the internet, we would "test" a bunch of them out and "coincidentally" leave
> them with one of my live looping videos full screened on youtube so that the
> next person to check out that device might come across my music. It probably
> didnt get me any more online fans but it was worth a try haha.

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BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rig



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My friend and I were at best buy for a long time today, of course not expecting to be able to afford anything they sell lol, but we were checking out all the computers and tablets and got this funny idea. We decided that since the majority of the working demo laptops and tablets were connected to the internet, we would "test" a bunch of them out and "coincidentally" leave them with one of my live looping videos full screened on youtube so that the next person to check out that device might come across my music. It probably didnt get me any more online fans but it was worth a try haha.
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BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br />Rig<br /><br>  <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div  dir="ltr" > <font size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1">  <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> kay&#39;lon rushing &lt;k3zz21@gmail.com&gt;<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> &quot;Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com&quot; &lt;Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com&gt; <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, July 2, 2012 7:33 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Cheap Promotion<br> </font> </div> <br>
<div id=yiv880933852><p>My friend and I were at best buy for a long time today, of course not expecting to be able to afford anything they sell lol, but we were checking out all the computers and tablets and got this funny idea. We decided that since the majority of the working demo laptops and tablets were connected to the internet, we would &quot;test&quot; a bunch of them out and &quot;coincidentally&quot; leave them with one of my live looping videos full screened on youtube so that the next person to check out that device might come across my music. It probably didnt get me any more online fans but it was worth a try haha.</p>

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Ha ha! I've done this for my ambient project "Groupthink" while I'm in the Apple Store! Right to our download site...Orwell would be sooo proud of the subliminal influence ;-) 



Edward in NJ 



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My friend and I were at best buy for a long time today, of course not expecting to be able to afford anything they sell lol, but we were checking out all the computers and tablets and got this funny idea. We decided that since the majority of the working demo laptops and tablets were connected to the internet, we would "test" a bunch of them out and "coincidentally" leave them with one of my live looping videos full screened on youtube so that the next person to check out that device might come across my music. It probably didnt get me any more online fans but it was worth a try haha. 
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"Kris Hartung" <krispen.hartung@gmail.com> wrote:
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>  I converted to Mac.
> All I can say is I don=E2=80=99t know why I didn=E2=80=99t do this long a=
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Hi Kris, I thought you worked for a big PC manufacturer. am I wrong=3F

Ben

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A unique opportunity to see musicians from around the world participating i=
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ndfascinating to listen to evolving sonic textures.Needless to say that eve=
ry performance is unique and unrepeatable.



Officine C.R.O.M.A. &amp; Cambiamusica! are proud to announce  V=C2=B0 FLLF=
 Florence Live Looping Festival   Y2KXII International Live Looping Festiva=
l affiliatedTeatro blu - Parco dell'anconellaFirenze 9 pm
free entrance



Sabato
14 Luglio: 1 Antony Hequet (Guitars
=E2=80=93 France)2 Georgina Brett (Voice- England)3 Michael Peters
(Guitars  - Germany)4 Pako Mondragon (Guitar,Voice =E2=80=93 Mexico)5
Randof Arriola (Guitars =E2=80=93 Singapore),



Domenica
15 Luglio:1 Lucho Prado
(solochiman) (guitars =E2=80=93 Chile/Cesena)2 Riccardo Masala Spaggiari
(Masala) (Percussions - Reggio Emilia)3 Fabio Anile (keyboards -
Roma)
4
Croma Art Ensemble - (Firenze)
Thanks to Fabio Anile=20

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II</span></span></b></font><span style=3D"font-size: large; " mce_style=3D"=
font-size: large;">&nbsp;International Live Looping Festival affiliated</sp=
an></span></span></p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: center; padding: =
0px; " mce_style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: center; padding: 0px; "><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); " mce_style=3D"color: #000000;"><b>Teatro blu=
 - Parco dell'anconella</b></span></p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: =
center; padding: 0px; " mce_style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: center; paddi=
ng: 0px; "><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); " mce_style=3D"color: #00000=
0;"><b>Firenze 9 pm</b></span></p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: cent=
er; padding: 0px; " mce_style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: center; padding: =
0px; "><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); " mce_style=3D"color: #000000;">=
<b><br></b></span></p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: center; padding:=
 0px; " mce_style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: center; padding: 0px; ">free =
entrance</p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom: 0cm; text-align: center; " mce_style=3D"margin-b=
ottom: 0cm; text-align: center; "><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); " mce=
_style=3D"color: #000000;"><br>
</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: center; padding: 0px; " mce_style=3D"m=
argin: 0px; text-align: center; padding: 0px; "><span style=3D"color: rgb(0=
, 0, 0); " mce_style=3D"color: #000000;"><span style=3D"color: rgb(255, 0, =
0); " mce_style=3D"color: #ff0000;"><i>Sabato
14 Luglio:</i></span><font color=3D"#008000"> </font></span></p><p style=3D=
"margin: 0px; text-align: center; padding: 0px; " mce_style=3D"margin: 0px;=
 text-align: center; padding: 0px; "><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); " =
mce_style=3D"color: #000000;">1 Antony Hequet (Guitars
=E2=80=93 France)</span></p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: center; pa=
dding: 0px; " mce_style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: center; padding: 0px; "=
><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); " mce_style=3D"color: #000000;">2 Geor=
gina Brett (Voice- England)</span></p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: =
center; padding: 0px; " mce_style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: center; paddi=
ng: 0px; "><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); " mce_style=3D"color: #00000=
0;">3 Michael Peters
(Guitars  - Germany)</span></p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: center;=
 padding: 0px; " mce_style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: center; padding: 0px=
; "><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); " mce_style=3D"color: #000000;">4 P=
ako Mondragon (Guitar,Voice =E2=80=93 Mexico)</span></p><p style=3D"margin:=
 0px; text-align: center; padding: 0px; " mce_style=3D"margin: 0px; text-al=
ign: center; padding: 0px; "><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); " mce_styl=
e=3D"color: #000000;">5
Randof Arriola (Guitars =E2=80=93 Singapore),</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom: 0cm; text-align: center; " mce_style=3D"margin-b=
ottom: 0cm; text-align: center; "><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); " mce=
_style=3D"color: #000000;"><br>
</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: center; padding: 0px; " mce_style=3D"m=
argin: 0px; text-align: center; padding: 0px; "><span style=3D"color: rgb(0=
, 0, 0); " mce_style=3D"color: #000000;"><i style=3D""><span style=3D"color=
: rgb(255, 0, 0); " mce_style=3D"color: #ff0000;">Domenica
15 Luglio:</span></i></span></p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: center=
; padding: 0px; " mce_style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: center; padding: 0p=
x; "><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); " mce_style=3D"color: #000000;"><i=
 style=3D""></i>1 Lucho Prado
(solochiman) (guitars =E2=80=93 Chile/Cesena)</span></p><p style=3D"margin:=
 0px; text-align: center; padding: 0px; " mce_style=3D"margin: 0px; text-al=
ign: center; padding: 0px; "><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); " mce_styl=
e=3D"color: #000000;">2 Riccardo Masala Spaggiari
(Masala) (Percussions - Reggio Emilia)</span></p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; t=
ext-align: center; padding: 0px; " mce_style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: ce=
nter; padding: 0px; "><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); " mce_style=3D"co=
lor: #000000;"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); " mce_style=3D"color: #0=
00000;">3</span> Fabio Anile (keyboards -
Roma)</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: center; padding: 0px; " mce_style=3D"m=
argin: 0px; text-align: center; padding: 0px; "><span style=3D"color: rgb(0=
, 0, 0); " mce_style=3D"color: #000000;">4
Croma Art Ensemble - (Firenze)</span></p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; text-alig=
n: center; padding: 0px; " mce_style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: center; pa=
dding: 0px; "><br></p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: center; padding:=
 0px; " mce_style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: center; padding: 0px; "><span=
 style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); " mce_style=3D"color: #000000;">Thanks to Fa=
bio Anile&nbsp;</span></p><p><br></p><div id=3D"_mcePaste" style=3D"positio=
n: absolute; left: -10000px; top: 0px; width: 1px; height: 1px; overflow: h=
idden; ">&nbsp;</div><br>
</blockquote><p><br></p><br>
</blockquote><p><br></p><br>
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Modern Mac's are indeed nice. I've been using pc's by Apple since 1994
but have yet not "converted". Maybe when SoundForge is available on
the Mac platform I might consider myself "a Mac guy" ;-))  Today my
reason for hanging with the Apple boxes is Logic and Mainstage. The
years I was using assorted Windows based pc's was the era when Logic
also supported that system and the Apple boxes had not yet picked up
the new (by then) Pentium processor technology. I originally came to
Mac from Atari and really didn't know there was this other system from
 Microsoft on the horizon... In fact, when hard disc recording came
around there was no support for Windows for several years, so Mac was
the only option if you were into music.

Greetings from Sweden

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>>  I converted to Mac.
>> All I can say is I don=E2=80=99t know why I didn=E2=80=99t do this long =
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>
> Hi Kris, I thought you worked for a big PC manufacturer. am I wrong?
>
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Massimo this looks fabulous!  Congrats on this up and coming annual event.  G=
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now.

Regards


Jim

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> Domenica 15 Luglio:
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<html><head></head><body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>Massimo this looks fabulou=
s! &nbsp;Congrats on this up and coming annual event. &nbsp;Greta to see Geo=
rgina, Michael, Randolph and Fabio on the roster of those I know.</div><div>=
<br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Jim<br><br>Ge=
t Tips Across the Waters for your iDevice, <a href=3D"http://iTunes.apple.co=
m/us/app/tips-across-the-waters/id474128076?=3Dmt8">http://iTunes.apple.com/=
us/app/tips-across-the-waters/id474128076?=3Dmt8</a></div><div><br>On Jul 3,=
 2012, at 9:00 AM, Massimo Liverani &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mas.liv@libero.it"=
>mas.liv@libero.it</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><div><blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><p mce_style=3D"margin: 0px;=
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m around the world participating in an absolutely free for a festival</p><p m=
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in: 0px; text-align: left; padding: 0px; ">The 'live looping' is a very inte=
resting form of structured improvisation that takes the listener through ove=
rlapping sound</p><p mce_style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: left; padding: 0p=
x; ">fascinating to listen to evolving sonic textures.</p><p mce_style=3D"ma=
rgin: 0px; text-align: left; padding: 0px; ">Needless to say that every perf=
ormance is unique and unrepeatable.</p><p><br></p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; t=
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</p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: center; padding: 0px; " mce_style=3D=
"margin: 0px; text-align: center; padding: 0px; ">Officine C.R.O.M.A. &amp; C=
ambiamusica!&nbsp;</p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: center; padding: 0=
px; " mce_style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: center; padding: 0px; ">are prou=
d to announce&nbsp;</p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: center; padding:=
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an style=3D"color: rgb(51, 153, 102); " mce_style=3D"color: #339966;">V=C2=B0=
&nbsp;FLLF Florence Live Looping Festival </span></b></span></p><p style=3D"=
margin: 0px; text-align: center; padding: 0px; " mce_style=3D"margin: 0px; t=
ext-align: center; padding: 0px; "><span style=3D"font-size: x-large; " mce_=
style=3D"font-size: x-large;"><span style=3D"color: rgb(51, 153, 102); " mce=
_style=3D"color: #339966;"><font color=3D"#008000"><b>&nbsp; <span style=3D"=
font-size: large; " mce_style=3D"font-size: large;"><span style=3D"color: rg=
b(51, 153, 102); " mce_style=3D"color: #339966;">Y2KXII</span></span></b></f=
ont><span style=3D"font-size: large; " mce_style=3D"font-size: large;">&nbsp=
;International Live Looping Festival affiliated</span></span></span></p><p s=
tyle=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: center; padding: 0px; " mce_style=3D"margin=
: 0px; text-align: center; padding: 0px; "><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0=
); " mce_style=3D"color: #000000;"><b>Teatro blu - Parco dell'anconella</b><=
/span></p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: center; padding: 0px; " mce_s=
tyle=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: center; padding: 0px; "><span style=3D"colo=
r: rgb(0, 0, 0); " mce_style=3D"color: #000000;"><b>Firenze 9 pm</b></span><=
/p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: center; padding: 0px; " mce_style=3D=
"margin: 0px; text-align: center; padding: 0px; "><span style=3D"color: rgb(=
0, 0, 0); " mce_style=3D"color: #000000;"><b><br></b></span></p><p style=3D"=
margin: 0px; text-align: center; padding: 0px; " mce_style=3D"margin: 0px; t=
ext-align: center; padding: 0px; ">free entrance</p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom: 0cm; text-align: center; " mce_style=3D"margin-bo=
ttom: 0cm; text-align: center; "><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); " mce_s=
tyle=3D"color: #000000;"><br>
</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: center; padding: 0px; " mce_style=3D"ma=
rgin: 0px; text-align: center; padding: 0px; "><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0=
, 0); " mce_style=3D"color: #000000;"><span style=3D"color: rgb(255, 0, 0); "=
 mce_style=3D"color: #ff0000;"><i>Sabato
14 Luglio:</i></span><font color=3D"#008000"> </font></span></p><p style=3D"=
margin: 0px; text-align: center; padding: 0px; " mce_style=3D"margin: 0px; t=
ext-align: center; padding: 0px; "><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); " mce=
_style=3D"color: #000000;">1 Antony Hequet (Guitars
=E2=80=93 France)</span></p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: center; pad=
ding: 0px; " mce_style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: center; padding: 0px; "><=
span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); " mce_style=3D"color: #000000;">2 Georgin=
a Brett (Voice- England)</span></p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: cent=
er; padding: 0px; " mce_style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: center; padding: 0=
px; "><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); " mce_style=3D"color: #000000;">3 M=
ichael Peters
(Guitars  - Germany)</span></p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: center; p=
adding: 0px; " mce_style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: center; padding: 0px; "=
><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); " mce_style=3D"color: #000000;">4 Pako M=
ondragon (Guitar,Voice =E2=80=93 Mexico)</span></p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; t=
ext-align: center; padding: 0px; " mce_style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: cen=
ter; padding: 0px; "><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); " mce_style=3D"colo=
r: #000000;">5
Randof Arriola (Guitars =E2=80=93 Singapore),</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom: 0cm; text-align: center; " mce_style=3D"margin-bo=
ttom: 0cm; text-align: center; "><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); " mce_s=
tyle=3D"color: #000000;"><br>
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<p style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: center; padding: 0px; " mce_style=3D"ma=
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15 Luglio:</span></i></span></p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: center;=
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yle=3D""></i>1 Lucho Prado
(solochiman) (guitars =E2=80=93 Chile/Cesena)</span></p><p style=3D"margin: 0=
px; text-align: center; padding: 0px; " mce_style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align=
: center; padding: 0px; "><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); " mce_style=3D=
"color: #000000;">2 Riccardo Masala Spaggiari
(Masala) (Percussions - Reggio Emilia)</span></p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; te=
xt-align: center; padding: 0px; " mce_style=3D"margin: 0px; text-align: cent=
er; padding: 0px; "><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); " mce_style=3D"color=
: #000000;"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); " mce_style=3D"color: #00000=
0;">3</span> Fabio Anile (keyboards -
Roma)</span></p>
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Ha ha.  Yes, I do, HP.  But I gotta do what I need to do for music.

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>  I converted to Mac.
> All I can say is I don’t know why I didn’t do this long ago.

Hi Kris, I thought you worked for a big PC manufacturer. am I wrong?

Ben 

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Yes, it does!
But what is the Croma Art Ensemble? Details, please!

Massimo, also give my best to the local crew, and let's hope that 
Randolf can make it this year.

I wish you all a wonderful festival!

Yours,

          Rainer

Jim Goodin schrieb:
> Massimo this looks fabulous!  Congrats on this up and coming annual 
> event.  Greta to see Georgina, Michael, Randolph and Fabio on the 
> roster of those I know.
>
> Regards
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>             Officine C.R.O.M.A. & Cambiamusica! 
>>
>>             are proud to announce 
>>
>>             * V° FLLF Florence Live Looping Festival *
>>
>>             *  Y2KXII* International Live Looping Festival affiliated
>>
>>             *Teatro blu - Parco dell'anconella*
>>
>>             *Firenze 9 pm*
>>
>>             *
>>             *
>>
>>             free entrance
>>
>>
>>             /Sabato 14 Luglio:/
>>
>>             1 Antony Hequet (Guitars – France)
>>
>>             2 Georgina Brett (Voice- England)
>>
>>             3 Michael Peters (Guitars - Germany)
>>
>>             4 Pako Mondragon (Guitar,Voice – Mexico)
>>
>>             5 Randof Arriola (Guitars – Singapore),
>>
>>
>>             /Domenica 15 Luglio:/
>>
>>             1 Lucho Prado (solochiman) (guitars – Chile/Cesena)
>>
>>             2 Riccardo Masala Spaggiari (Masala) (Percussions -
>>             Reggio Emilia)
>>
>>             3 Fabio Anile (keyboards - Roma)
>>
>>             4 Croma Art Ensemble - (Firenze)
>>


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Thank you Rainer! 'Croma Art Ensemble' will be something of very unusual fo=
rm=20
of looping:
I'll controll the loop of variuos acoustic musicians and instruments like=
=20
trumpet, saxes, cotrabasses, pianos, vibes etc etc...
so we'll see what will happen! ;-)
Max

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>But what is the Croma Art Ensemble? Details, please!
>
>Massimo, also give my best to the local crew, and let's hope that=20
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>I wish you all a wonderful festival!
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>Yours,
>
>          Rainer
>
>

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I found amazing how loops can evolve by recombination and become =
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so far it sounds very synthetic, because thats where the experiment =
started
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http://DarwinTunes.org=

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Hi Folks,

Still a few (looping) items available for sale.

Line 6 DL4 - Mint condition, good working order - =A3150 ONO
http://www.gak.co.uk/en/line-6-dl-4/23465

Behringer FCB 1010 + Kettle & MIDI Lead - Good condition - =A370 ONO
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er-with-two-expression-pedals--6360

M AUDIO USB MIDISPORT 2 x 2 - Good condition - =A340 ONO
http://www.gak.co.uk/en/m-audio-midisport-2x2/4112

Get in touch.

Ricky

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On 7/2/12 7:14 PM, Jeff Larson wrote:
> Oh and SoundFourge. There is not a single commercial or free Mac sound
> editor that works as well
> as SoundFourge and don't waste time suggesting Ardor. I still do all my
> .wav file editing on a PC
> if I can.

Can you explain why you like it? (This is a real question, not snark). I 
see it's coming to the Mac, and I'm trying to figure out if I should be 
excited.

Brian

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For me it just has a better workflow.  I'm not so much a sound designer as
a sound explorer.  I produce an audio application so I'm constantly
generating new audio files and comparing them to old files looking for
subtle differences. I need to have two file windows open at the same time,
quickly seek to a sample position, zoom in and compare the samples in a
given range.  Most editors can do this but everything I've tried requires
more mouse wiggling and keystrokes than SoundForge.

Jeff

On 7/3/12 4:23 PM, "Brian Good" <bsgood@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 7/2/12 7:14 PM, Jeff Larson wrote:
>> Oh and SoundFourge. There is not a single commercial or free Mac sound
>> editor that works as well
>> as SoundFourge and don't waste time suggesting Ardor. I still do all my
>> .wav file editing on a PC
>> if I can.
>
>Can you explain why you like it? (This is a real question, not snark). I
>see it's coming to the Mac, and I'm trying to figure out if I should be
>excited.
>
>Brian
>
>


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Hilarious!  I work at Apple and do all my media production under =
windoze!

It takes all kinds.  And All kinds work.

:)
Daniel

On Jul 3, 2012, at 7:07 AM, Kris Hartung wrote:

> Ha ha.  Yes, I do, HP.  But I gotta do what I need to do for music.
>=20
> -----Original Message----- =
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> "Kris Hartung" <krispen.hartung@gmail.com> wrote:
> (03/07/2012 00:42)
>=20
>> I converted to Mac.
>> All I can say is I don=92t know why I didn=92t do this long ago.
>=20
> Hi Kris, I thought you worked for a big PC manufacturer. am I wrong?
>=20
> Ben=20

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I like SoundForge for the same reasons Jeff mentioned. Plus that SF
fully supports embedding tags into Acid format files ( I need that
when producing sounds for sample CDs etc)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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http://www.youtube.com/perboysen


On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Brian Good <bsgood@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 7/2/12 7:14 PM, Jeff Larson wrote:
>>
>> Oh and SoundFourge. There is not a single commercial or free Mac sound
>> editor that works as well
>> as SoundFourge and don't waste time suggesting Ardor. I still do all my
>> .wav file editing on a PC
>> if I can.
>
>
> Can you explain why you like it? (This is a real question, not snark). I see
> it's coming to the Mac, and I'm trying to figure out if I should be excited.
>
> Brian
>

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On Jul 3, 2012, at 8:14 AM, Jeff Larson wrote:

> First the copy/paste keys are Command-C and Command-V rather than =
Control-C and Control-V and
> I haven't found a good way to map them.  I get used to it but it =
drives me nuts when I have
> to switch between a Mac and a PC.

I know that is confusing. Even after using a PC at school for 1/2 hour I =
get confused on my Mac.=20
I'm not sure if this will help, but if not, more Goggling might find a =
solution.
=
http://tylerkieft.com/archives/2006/10/05/redefine-the-x11-meta-key-in-mac=
-os-x/

> Second, I can't stand Finder and the file chooser dialogs.  I am a =
fast typist, when I want a file the easiest
> way for me is to type in the name and have the OS do auto-complete.  =
Not on a Mac.  Oh no, you're
> not supposed to TYPE on a Mac, you're supposed to wiggle and scroll =
and click for 5 minutes over a deep directory tree.

Default Folder lets you click on a folder in the Finder from within an =
open dialog in a program thus taking you directly to that folder. This =
saves a lot of mousing.

> And if you want to search, by golly of course you want to search the =
ENTIRE file system, not the directory you
> are currently in.  Yes there's that goofy button under the search box =
where you can select to search in just
> the folder, why the hell isn't this the default?

Autocomplete is in a lot of applications on the Mac and can be turned on =
or off. In the Finder, if you want to type, type shift-cmd-G and you get =
go to folder, where you can type the path. Hit the tab to complete the =
text.
=
http://osxdaily.com/2011/08/31/go-to-folder-useful-mac-os-x-keyboard-short=
cut/
A lot of people hit cmd-spacebar or cmd-opt-spacebar and just start =
typing in Spotlight as a fast way to get to where they want to go or =
open a program.

http://geek.michaelgrace.org/2009/08/mac-os-x-auto-complete-suggest/

> Oh and SoundFourge.  There is not a single commercial or free Mac =
sound editor that works as well
> as SoundFourge and don't waste time suggesting Ardor.  I still do all =
my .wav file editing on a PC=20
> if I can.


May I suggest Audacity?

Ed Durbrow
Saitama, Japan
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http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
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orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; ">not =
supposed to TYPE on a Mac, you're supposed to wiggle and scroll and =
click for 5 minutes over a deep directory =
tree.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Default Folder lets you =
click on a folder in the Finder from within an open dialog in a program =
thus taking you directly to that folder. This saves a lot of =
mousing.</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; ">And if you want to search, by golly of =
course you want to search the ENTIRE file system, not the directory =
you</div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; =
orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; ">are =
currently in. &nbsp;Yes there's that goofy button under the search box =
where you can select to search in just</div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; ">the folder, why the hell isn't this =
the default?</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Autocomplete is in a =
lot of applications on the Mac and can be turned on or off. In the =
Finder, if you want to type, type shift-cmd-G and you get go to folder, =
where you can type the path. Hit the tab to complete the =
text.</div><div><a =
href=3D"http://osxdaily.com/2011/08/31/go-to-folder-useful-mac-os-x-keyboa=
rd-shortcut/">http://osxdaily.com/2011/08/31/go-to-folder-useful-mac-os-x-=
keyboard-shortcut/</a></div><div>A lot of people hit cmd-spacebar or =
cmd-opt-spacebar and just start typing in Spotlight as a fast way to get =
to where they want to go or open a program.</div><div><br></div><div><a =
href=3D"http://geek.michaelgrace.org/2009/08/mac-os-x-auto-complete-sugges=
t/">http://geek.michaelgrace.org/2009/08/mac-os-x-auto-complete-suggest/</=
a></div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: =
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
">Oh and SoundFourge. &nbsp;There is not a single commercial or free Mac =
sound editor that works as well</div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: =
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
">as SoundFourge and don't waste time suggesting Ardor. &nbsp;I still do =
all my .wav file editing on a PC&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: =
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text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; ">if I =
can.</div></blockquote></div><div><br></div><div>May I suggest =
Audacity?</div><br><div apple-content-edited=3D"true">
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I really like adobe audition.  I got it as part of the production
package I bought because I needed premiere, after effects and
photoshop... audition came with it and it was a welcomed surprise.  I
didn't think I was going to use it, but it's a great editor (multiple
windows, great spectral editor) and a capable daw to boot.
Sulvain

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:47 PM,  <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
> I guess I'm not all that picky but I get an awful lot of work done in Aud=
aciity. I've used it for several years quite regularly on Mac and previousl=
y on Windows port.  I dod everything from single track recording to podcast=
 production to sevral trax of mash production.
>
> I will say years ago when I was only using Windows I used Soundforger v 4=
 and 4.5 and liked a lot.
>
> Jim
> ------Original Message------
> From: Brian Good
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> ReplyTo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Conversion to Mac!
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> On 7/2/12 7:14 PM, Jeff Larson wrote:
>> Oh and SoundFourge. There is not a single commercial or free Mac sound
>> editor that works as well
>> as SoundFourge and don't waste time suggesting Ardor. I still do all my
>> .wav file editing on a PC
>> if I can.
>
> Can you explain why you like it? (This is a real question, not snark). I
> see it's coming to the Mac, and I'm trying to figure out if I should be
> excited.
>
> Brian
>
>
> Sent on the Sprint=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=AE

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I will add a "me too" to Audition... but Pers reminder of Acid brought
a feeling of nostalgia for Windows... Acid for Mac is what I want...

Sent from my (advertisement removed)

On 4 Jul 2012, at 03:06, Sylvain Poitras <sylvain.trombone@gmail.com> wrote=
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> I really like adobe audition.  I got it as part of the production
> package I bought because I needed premiere, after effects and
> photoshop... audition came with it and it was a welcomed surprise.  I
> didn't think I was going to use it, but it's a great editor (multiple
> windows, great spectral editor) and a capable daw to boot.
> Sulvain
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:47 PM,  <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I guess I'm not all that picky but I get an awful lot of work done in Au=
daciity. I've used it for several years quite regularly on Mac and previous=
ly on Windows port.  I dod everything from single track recording to podcas=
t production to sevral trax of mash production.
>>
>> I will say years ago when I was only using Windows I used Soundforger v =
4 and 4.5 and liked a lot.
>>
>> Jim
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: Brian Good
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> ReplyTo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Subject: Re: Conversion to Mac!
>> Sent: Jul 3, 2012 5:23 PM
>>
>> On 7/2/12 7:14 PM, Jeff Larson wrote:
>>> Oh and SoundFourge. There is not a single commercial or free Mac sound
>>> editor that works as well
>>> as SoundFourge and don't waste time suggesting Ardor. I still do all my
>>> .wav file editing on a PC
>>> if I can.
>>
>> Can you explain why you like it? (This is a real question, not snark). I
>> see it's coming to the Mac, and I'm trying to figure out if I should be
>> excited.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>> Sent on the Sprint=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=AE
>

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yo gang,=0Asince moving from Sonar to Logic my workflow has gone a bit slow=
er since im not too acquainted yet with all of the keyboard shorcuts=0Ai ha=
ve the small wireless keyboard that comes with the imac but ive been checki=
ng out for alternatives=0A=0Athis company sells the cover for this keyobard=
 but they dont have a pic of it yet:=0A=0Ahttp://www.kbcovers.com/servlet/C=
ategories?category=3DLogic+Pro%2FExpress=0A=0ABut im debating wether i shou=
ld get that or the bigger numeric keypad apple keyboard and a cover which w=
ould run about 90.-dlls=0A=0Aor just the logic ready keyboard like this one=
 which is 9 dlls more:=0Ahttp://www.amazon.com/LogicKeyboard-Logic-Preset-K=
eyboard-Express/dp/B005U7WUU6=0A=0Abut i dont know if Logic key commands wi=
ll change in the future then i d be stucked with this keyboard=0Aplus if so=
meone uses my mac they ill probably be tripping with such a flashy keyboard=
;-)=0A=0A=0Aany experiences or comments?=0A=0A=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/lui=
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>yo gang,</=
span></div><div><span>since moving from Sonar to Logic my workflow has gone=
 a bit slower since im not too acquainted yet with all of the keyboard shor=
cuts</span></div><div><span>i have the small wireless keyboard that comes w=
ith the imac but ive been checking out for alternatives</span></div><div><s=
pan><br></span></div><div><span>this company sells the cover for this keyob=
ard but they dont have a pic of it yet:</span></div><div><span><br></span><=
/div><div><span>http://www.kbcovers.com/servlet/Categories?category=3DLogic=
+Pro%2FExpress</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>But im de=
bating wether i should get that or the bigger numeric keypad apple keyboard=
 and a cover which would run about 90.-dlls</span></div><div><span><br></sp=
an></div><div><span>or just the logic ready keyboard like this one which
 is 9 dlls more:</span></div><div><span>http://www.amazon.com/LogicKeyboard=
-Logic-Preset-Keyboard-Express/dp/B005U7WUU6</span></div><div><br><span></s=
pan></div><div><span>but i dont know if Logic key commands will change in t=
he future then i d be stucked with this keyboard</span></div><div><span>plu=
s if someone uses my mac they ill probably be tripping with such a flashy k=
eyboard;-)<br></span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div>any experiences=
 or comments?<br><br></div><div>http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom</div><=
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<Second, I can't stand Finder and the file chooser dialogs. =A0I am a fast =
typist, when I want a file the easiest=0A<way for me is to type in the name=
 and have the OS do auto-complete. =A0Not on a Mac. =A0Oh no, you're=0A<not=
 supposed to TYPE on a Mac, you're supposed to wiggle and scroll and click =
for 5 minutes over a deep directory tree.=0A<And if you want to search, by =
golly of course you want to search the ENTIRE file system, not the director=
y you=0A<are currently in. =A0Yes there's that goofy button under the searc=
h box where you can select to search in just=0A<the folder, why the hell is=
n't this the default?=0A=0AJeff Check out "easy Find" for Mac:=0A=0Ahttp://=
www.macupdate.com/app/mac/11076/easyfind=0A=0Aand Find File:=0Ahttp://www.m=
acupdate.com/app/mac/30073/find-file/=0A=0AI aslo hate macs finder but thes=
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">=0A&lt;Second, I can'=
t stand Finder and the file chooser dialogs. &nbsp;I am a fast typist, when=
 I want a file the easiest<div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new y=
ork, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style=3D"font-family: times new r=
oman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div id=3D"yiv1102254802"><=
div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>=0A<div>&lt;way for me is to type in the nam=
e and have the OS do auto-complete. &nbsp;Not on a Mac. &nbsp;Oh no, you're=
</div>=0A<div>&lt;not supposed to TYPE on a Mac, you're supposed to wiggle =
and scroll and click for 5 minutes over a deep directory tree.</div>=0A<div=
>&lt;And if you want to search, by golly of course you want to search the E=
NTIRE file system, not the directory you</div>=0A<div>&lt;are currently in.=
 &nbsp;Yes there's that goofy button under the search box where you can sel=
ect to search in just</div>=0A<div>&lt;the folder, why the hell isn't this =
the default?<br><br>Jeff Check out "easy Find" for Mac:<br><br>http://www.m=
acupdate.com/app/mac/11076/easyfind<br><br>and Find File:<br>http://www.mac=
update.com/app/mac/30073/find-file/<br><br>I aslo hate macs finder but thes=
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I ende up buying Macs Wavelab for mastering and editing though i still like=
d SF better!=0A=0A=C2=A0=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A___=
_____________________________=0A From: Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmai=
l.com>=0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Tuesday, July 3, =
2012 1:35 AM=0ASubject: Re: Conversion to Mac!=0A =0AI believe Sound Forge =
is finally coming to the MAC (nasty teaser site=0Athought to be from Sony h=
ttp://www.finallyonthemac.com/)=0A=0AOf course, who knows when but still, t=
his rumor isn't really a bad one=0Ato spread.=0A=0AKevin=0A=0AOn Mon, Jul 2=
, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> wrote:=0A> I sta=
rted using a Mac as my daily work machine a few months ago, there are=0A> o=
nly two things I miss.=0A>=0A> First the copy/paste keys are Command-C and =
Command-V rather than Control-C=0A> and Control-V and=0A> I haven't found a=
 good way to map them.=C2=A0 I get used to it but it drives me=0A> nuts whe=
n I have=0A> to switch between a Mac and a PC.=0A>=0A> Second, I can't stan=
d Finder and the file chooser dialogs.=C2=A0 I am a fast=0A> typist, when I=
 want a file the easiest=0A> way for me is to type in the name and have the=
 OS do auto-complete.=C2=A0 Not on=0A> a Mac.=C2=A0 Oh no, you're=0A> not s=
upposed to TYPE on a Mac, you're supposed to wiggle and scroll and=0A> clic=
k for 5 minutes over a deep directory tree.=0A> And if you want to search, =
by golly of course you want to search the ENTIRE=0A> file system, not the d=
irectory you=0A> are currently in.=C2=A0 Yes there's that goofy button unde=
r the search box where=0A> you can select to search in just=0A> the folder,=
 why the hell isn't this the default?=0A>=0A> Using any media file that isn=
't in an Officially Sanctioned Apple Format=0A> (Quicktime)=C2=A0 is a bit =
of a pain,=0A> but there are 3rd party apps.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 There are no game=
s but you can use Bootcamp=0A> if you have enough disk.=0A>=0A> Oh and Soun=
dFourge.=C2=A0 There is not a single commercial or free Mac sound=0A> edito=
r that works as well=0A> as SoundFourge and don't waste time suggesting Ard=
or.=C2=A0 I still do all my=0A> .wav file editing on a PC=0A> if I can.=0A>=
=0A> If you do any C++ development, Xcode just flat out sucks compared to V=
isual=0A> Studio.=C2=A0 I also find Apple's=0A> online docs much harder to =
use than MSDN.=0A>=0A> On the plus side Logic and Mainstage are great and h=
ibernate just works.=C2=A0 I=0A> have never had a=0A> PC laptop that could =
come out of hibernation reliably.=0A>=0A> Overall I'm happy with the switch=
 and I'd do it again.=0A>=0A> Jeff=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> From: Kris Hartung <kris=
pen.hartung@gmail.com>=0A> Reply-To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"=
=0A> <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>=0A> Date: Monday, July 2, 2012 5=
:42 PM=0A> To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"=0A> <Loopers-Delight@l=
oopers-delight.com>=0A> Subject: Conversion to Mac!=0A> Resent-From: "Loope=
rs-Delight@loopers-delight.com"=0A> <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>=
=0A> Resent-Date: Monday, July 2, 2012 5:42 PM=0A>=0A> Well, I did it...aft=
er 10 years of struggling and fighting with the PC and=0A> music making, co=
untless crashes, blue screens of death, compatibility=0A> errors, installat=
ion issues, IRQ conflicts, etc, etc , ad nauseum, I=0A> converted to Mac.=
=0A> All I can say is I don=E2=80=99t know why I didn=E2=80=99t do this lon=
g ago.=C2=A0 I bought the=0A> newest Macbook Pro, upgraded processor, memor=
y, and flash drive.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m loving=0A> it!=C2=A0  I had no idea w=
hat I was missing.=0A=0A=0A=0A-- =0ATill now you seriously considered yours=
elf to be the body and to have a=0Aform. That is the primal ignorance which=
 is the root cause of all trouble.=0A=0A- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)=0A=0A=
Sound and Vision:=C2=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org=0AVideo http://www.vimeo.c=
om/user877640/videos
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mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>I ende up =
buying Macs Wavelab for mastering and editing though i still liked SF bette=
r!</span></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom<b=
r></div>  <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, seri=
f; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york,=
 times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font face=3D"Arial" si=
ze=3D"2"> <hr size=3D"1">  <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span=
></b> Kevin Cheli-Colando &lt;billowhead@gmail.com&gt;<br> <b><span style=
=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =
<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, July 3=
, 2012 1:35 AM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b=
> Re: Conversion to Mac!<br> </font> </div> <br>I believe Sound Forge is fi=
nally coming to
 the MAC (nasty teaser site<br>thought to be from Sony <a href=3D"http://ww=
w.finallyonthemac.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.finallyonthemac.com/</=
a>)<br><br>Of course, who knows when but still, this rumor isn't really a b=
ad one<br>to spread.<br><br>Kevin<br><br>On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Je=
ff Larson &lt;<a ymailto=3D"mailto:jeff.larson@sailpoint.com" href=3D"mailt=
o:jeff.larson@sailpoint.com">jeff.larson@sailpoint.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&g=
t; I started using a Mac as my daily work machine a few months ago, there a=
re<br>&gt; only two things I miss.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; First the copy/paste key=
s are Command-C and Command-V rather than Control-C<br>&gt; and Control-V a=
nd<br>&gt; I haven't found a good way to map them.&nbsp; I get used to it b=
ut it drives me<br>&gt; nuts when I have<br>&gt; to switch between a Mac an=
d a PC.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Second, I can't stand Finder and the file chooser d=
ialogs.&nbsp; I am a fast<br>&gt; typist, when I want a file the
 easiest<br>&gt; way for me is to type in the name and have the OS do auto-=
complete.&nbsp; Not on<br>&gt; a Mac.&nbsp; Oh no, you're<br>&gt; not suppo=
sed to TYPE on a Mac, you're supposed to wiggle and scroll and<br>&gt; clic=
k for 5 minutes over a deep directory tree.<br>&gt; And if you want to sear=
ch, by golly of course you want to search the ENTIRE<br>&gt; file system, n=
ot the directory you<br>&gt; are currently in.&nbsp; Yes there's that goofy=
 button under the search box where<br>&gt; you can select to search in just=
<br>&gt; the folder, why the hell isn't this the default?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; U=
sing any media file that isn't in an Officially Sanctioned Apple Format<br>=
&gt; (Quicktime)&nbsp; is a bit of a pain,<br>&gt; but there are 3rd party =
apps.&nbsp; &nbsp; There are no games but you can use Bootcamp<br>&gt; if y=
ou have enough disk.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Oh and SoundFourge.&nbsp; There is not=
 a single commercial or free Mac sound<br>&gt; editor that works as
 well<br>&gt; as SoundFourge and don't waste time suggesting Ardor.&nbsp; I=
 still do all my<br>&gt; .wav file editing on a PC<br>&gt; if I can.<br>&gt=
;<br>&gt; If you do any C++ development, Xcode just flat out sucks compared=
 to Visual<br>&gt; Studio.&nbsp; I also find Apple's<br>&gt; online docs mu=
ch harder to use than MSDN.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; On the plus side Logic and Main=
stage are great and hibernate just works.&nbsp; I<br>&gt; have never had a<=
br>&gt; PC laptop that could come out of hibernation reliably.<br>&gt;<br>&=
gt; Overall I'm happy with the switch and I'd do it again.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; =
Jeff<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; From: Kris Hartung &lt;<a ymailto=3D"m=
ailto:krispen.hartung@gmail.com" href=3D"mailto:krispen.hartung@gmail.com">=
krispen.hartung@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>&gt; Reply-To: "<a ymailto=3D"mailto:L=
oopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-=
delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a>"<br>&gt; &lt;<a
 ymailto=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" href=3D"mailto:Loop=
ers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a>&gt=
;<br>&gt; Date: Monday, July 2, 2012 5:42 PM<br>&gt; To: "<a ymailto=3D"mai=
lto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loo=
pers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a>"<br>&gt; &lt;<a y=
mailto=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" href=3D"mailto:Looper=
s-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a>&gt;<=
br>&gt; Subject: Conversion to Mac!<br>&gt; Resent-From: "<a ymailto=3D"mai=
lto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loo=
pers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a>"<br>&gt; &lt;<a y=
mailto=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" href=3D"mailto:Looper=
s-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a>&gt;<=
br>&gt; Resent-Date: Monday, July 2, 2012 5:42 PM<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Well, I d=
id it...after
 10 years of struggling and fighting with the PC and<br>&gt; music making, =
countless crashes, blue screens of death, compatibility<br>&gt; errors, ins=
tallation issues, IRQ conflicts, etc, etc , ad nauseum, I<br>&gt; converted=
 to Mac.<br>&gt; All I can say is I don=E2=80=99t know why I didn=E2=80=99t=
 do this long ago.&nbsp; I bought the<br>&gt; newest Macbook Pro, upgraded =
processor, memory, and flash drive.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99m loving<br>&gt; it!&nb=
sp;  I had no idea what I was missing.<br><br><br><br>-- <br>Till now you s=
eriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a<br>form. That is =
the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.<br><br>- Raman=
a Maharshi (1879-1950)<br><br>Sound and Vision:&nbsp; <a href=3D"http://www=
.minds-eye.org/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.minds-eye.org</a><br>Video <a=
 href=3D"http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos" target=3D"_blank">http://w=
ww.vimeo.com/user877640/videos</a><br><br><br><br> </div> </div>  </div></b=
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Logic key commands have changed quite often. The reason for that is
that there is no "standard setup", since most Logic users make their
own choice on what key commands to use. It is so easy to save your key
commands to a USB stick and bring (or keep at your online dropbox) if
working at some other studio.

People use to talk in a comparative way about Pro Tools and Logic
saying that Pro Tools is for music engineers while Logic is for music
composers. Therefore Logic is not "an application to learn" but rather
"a tool to use". Simply put, you can't learn Logic; you should rather
learn Music Recording Production. Then you can pick the tools you need
from the vast Logic toolbox in order to get the job done. The key
commands issue is one example of this.

Here are some useful Logic hints:
- Study all drop-down menues. The key current commands are displayed
by the commands.
- Hit "alt k" for the Key Commands List. Study it and get inspired for
a work-flow.  (Note that there are hundreds of more command than would
ever fit into the drop-down menue, but here every damn process you can
parform in Logic is listed. Sorted under headers of the work space
windows they are affecting data in).
- When choosing some new key commands for your own work-flow, do not
change or delete those who came with the default installation.

Some fav key commands I always add for my personal setup are:

1. Play from Previous Bar.
2. Play from Left Window Edge.
3. Set Locators by Regions/Events/Marquee.

I also set Logic to not allow diagonal dragging of objects, because
that is asking for troubles (you never know when you dropped something
at the wrong place until after a while when you hear that the music is
fucked up by some stupid "programming mistake"). In the long run it
goes faster to drag stuff with two mouse clicks when going diagonal
(since you rarely make mistakes then):

The place is "Preferences / General / Editing".
At "Limit Dragging to One Direction In" I suggest you select both
"Arrange" and "Piano Roll and Score".

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen


On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Luis Angulo <louie.angulo@yahoo.com> wrote:
> yo gang,
> since moving from Sonar to Logic my workflow has gone a bit slower since im
> not too acquainted yet with all of the keyboard shorcuts
> i have the small wireless keyboard that comes with the imac but ive been
> checking out for alternatives
>
> this company sells the cover for this keyobard but they dont have a pic of
> it yet:
>
> http://www.kbcovers.com/servlet/Categories?category=Logic+Pro%2FExpress
>
> But im debating wether i should get that or the bigger numeric keypad apple
> keyboard and a cover which would run about 90.-dlls
>
> or just the logic ready keyboard like this one which is 9 dlls more:
> http://www.amazon.com/LogicKeyboard-Logic-Preset-Keyboard-Express/dp/B005U7WUU6
>
> but i dont know if Logic key commands will change in the future then i d be
> stucked with this keyboard
> plus if someone uses my mac they ill probably be tripping with such a flashy
> keyboard;-)
>
> any experiences or comments?
>
> http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom

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Great tips thanx Per,but with this apple wireless keyboard not all comands =
work from the drop menu and thats what drives me nuts,=0Aas you said i dont=
 want to start modifying the defaut ones either=0Aand this is why im consid=
ering getting the bigger keyboard with numeric pad and then get the cover t=
o speed things up=0Ai dont know which keyboard logic uses to program all of=
 those comands but is certainly not this one=0Athe other issue is that i ha=
ve the German keyboard while i use Logic in english.=0Acheers=0ALuis=0A=0A=
=A0=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A________________________=
________=0A From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>=0ATo: Loopers-Delight <L=
oopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> =0ASent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 8:00 P=
M=0ASubject: Re: keyboard and covers for logic pro 9=0A =0ALogic key comman=
ds have changed quite often. The reason for that is=0Athat there is no "sta=
ndard setup", since most Logic users make their=0Aown choice on what key co=
mmands to use. It is so easy to save your key=0Acommands to a USB stick and=
 bring (or keep at your online dropbox) if=0Aworking at some other studio.=
=0A=0APeople use to talk in a comparative way about Pro Tools and Logic=0As=
aying that Pro Tools is for music engineers while Logic is for music=0Acomp=
osers. Therefore Logic is not "an application to learn" but rather=0A"a too=
l to use". Simply put, you can't learn Logic; you should rather=0Alearn Mus=
ic Recording Production. Then you can pick the tools you need=0Afrom the va=
st Logic toolbox in order to get the job done. The key=0Acommands issue is =
one example of this.=0A=0AHere are some useful Logic hints:=0A- Study all d=
rop-down menues. The key current commands are displayed=0Aby the commands.=
=0A- Hit "alt k" for the Key Commands List. Study it and get inspired for=
=0Aa work-flow.=A0 (Note that there are hundreds of more command than would=
=0Aever fit into the drop-down menue, but here every damn process you can=
=0Aparform in Logic is listed. Sorted under headers of the work space=0Awin=
dows they are affecting data in).=0A- When choosing some new key commands f=
or your own work-flow, do not=0Achange or delete those who came with the de=
fault installation.=0A=0ASome fav key commands I always add for my personal=
 setup are:=0A=0A1. Play from Previous Bar.=0A2. Play from Left Window Edge=
.=0A3. Set Locators by Regions/Events/Marquee.=0A=0AI also set Logic to not=
 allow diagonal dragging of objects, because=0Athat is asking for troubles =
(you never know when you dropped something=0Aat the wrong place until after=
 a while when you hear that the music is=0Afucked up by some stupid "progra=
mming mistake"). In the long run it=0Agoes faster to drag stuff with two mo=
use clicks when going diagonal=0A(since you rarely make mistakes then):=0A=
=0AThe place is "Preferences / General / Editing".=0AAt "Limit Dragging to =
One Direction In" I suggest you select both=0A"Arrange" and "Piano Roll and=
 Score".=0A=0AGreetings from Sweden=0A=0APer Boysen=0Awww.perboysen.com=0Ah=
ttp://www.youtube.com/perboysen=0A=0A=0AOn Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Lui=
s Angulo <louie.angulo@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A> yo gang,=0A> since moving from=
 Sonar to Logic my workflow has gone a bit slower since im=0A> not too acqu=
ainted yet with all of the keyboard shorcuts=0A> i have the small wireless =
keyboard that comes with the imac but ive been=0A> checking out for alterna=
tives=0A>=0A> this company sells the cover for this keyobard but they dont =
have a pic of=0A> it yet:=0A>=0A> http://www.kbcovers.com/servlet/Categorie=
s?category=3DLogic+Pro%2FExpress=0A>=0A> But im debating wether i should ge=
t that or the bigger numeric keypad apple=0A> keyboard and a cover which wo=
uld run about 90.-dlls=0A>=0A> or just the logic ready keyboard like this o=
ne which is 9 dlls more:=0A> http://www.amazon.com/LogicKeyboard-Logic-Pres=
et-Keyboard-Express/dp/B005U7WUU6=0A>=0A> but i dont know if Logic key comm=
ands will change in the future then i d be=0A> stucked with this keyboard=
=0A> plus if someone uses my mac they ill probably be tripping with such a =
flashy=0A> keyboard;-)=0A>=0A> any experiences or comments?=0A>=0A> http://=
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Great tips=
 thanx Per,but with this apple wireless keyboard not all comands work from =
the drop menu and thats what drives me nuts,</span></div><div><span>as you =
said i dont want to start modifying the defaut ones either</span></div><div=
><span>and this is why im considering getting the bigger keyboard with nume=
ric pad and then get the cover to speed things up</span></div><div><span>i =
dont know which keyboard logic uses to program all of those comands but is =
certainly not this one</span></div><div><span>the other issue is that i hav=
e the German keyboard while i use Logic in english.</span></div><div><span>=
cheers</span></div><div><span>Luis<br></span></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>ht=
tp://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom<br></div>  <div style=3D"font-family: ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div
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12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <hr size=3D"1"> =
 <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Per Boysen &lt;perbo=
ysen@gmail.com&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>=
 Loopers-Delight &lt;Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com&gt; <br> <b><span =
style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 4, 2012 8:00 =
PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: keyboa=
rd and covers for logic pro 9<br> </font> </div> <br>Logic key commands hav=
e changed quite often. The reason for that is<br>that there is no "standard=
 setup", since most Logic users make their<br>own choice on what key comman=
ds to use. It is so easy to save your key<br>commands to a USB stick and br=
ing (or keep at your online dropbox) if<br>working at some other studio.<br=
><br>People use to talk in a comparative way about Pro Tools and Logic<br>s=
aying that
 Pro Tools is for music engineers while Logic is for music<br>composers. Th=
erefore Logic is not "an application to learn" but rather<br>"a tool to use=
". Simply put, you can't learn Logic; you should rather<br>learn Music Reco=
rding Production. Then you can pick the tools you need<br>from the vast Log=
ic toolbox in order to get the job done. The key<br>commands issue is one e=
xample of this.<br><br>Here are some useful Logic hints:<br>- Study all dro=
p-down menues. The key current commands are displayed<br>by the commands.<b=
r>- Hit "alt k" for the Key Commands List. Study it and get inspired for<br=
>a work-flow.&nbsp; (Note that there are hundreds of more command than woul=
d<br>ever fit into the drop-down menue, but here every damn process you can=
<br>parform in Logic is listed. Sorted under headers of the work space<br>w=
indows they are affecting data in).<br>- When choosing some new key command=
s for your own work-flow, do not<br>change or delete those who came
 with the default installation.<br><br>Some fav key commands I always add f=
or my personal setup are:<br><br>1. Play from Previous Bar.<br>2. Play from=
 Left Window Edge.<br>3. Set Locators by Regions/Events/Marquee.<br><br>I a=
lso set Logic to not allow diagonal dragging of objects, because<br>that is=
 asking for troubles (you never know when you dropped something<br>at the w=
rong place until after a while when you hear that the music is<br>fucked up=
 by some stupid "programming mistake"). In the long run it<br>goes faster t=
o drag stuff with two mouse clicks when going diagonal<br>(since you rarely=
 make mistakes then):<br><br>The place is "Preferences / General / Editing"=
.<br>At "Limit Dragging to One Direction In" I suggest you select both<br>"=
Arrange" and "Piano Roll and Score".<br><br>Greetings from Sweden<br><br>Pe=
r Boysen<br>www.perboysen.com<br><a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/perboyse=
n" target=3D"_blank">http://www.youtube.com/perboysen</a><br><br><br>On
 Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Luis Angulo &lt;<a ymailto=3D"mailto:louie.an=
gulo@yahoo.com" href=3D"mailto:louie.angulo@yahoo.com">louie.angulo@yahoo.c=
om</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; yo gang,<br>&gt; since moving from Sonar to Logic=
 my workflow has gone a bit slower since im<br>&gt; not too acquainted yet =
with all of the keyboard shorcuts<br>&gt; i have the small wireless keyboar=
d that comes with the imac but ive been<br>&gt; checking out for alternativ=
es<br>&gt;<br>&gt; this company sells the cover for this keyobard but they =
dont have a pic of<br>&gt; it yet:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.kb=
covers.com/servlet/Categories?category=3DLogic+Pro%2FExpress" target=3D"_bl=
ank">http://www.kbcovers.com/servlet/Categories?category=3DLogic+Pro%2FExpr=
ess</a><br>&gt;<br>&gt; But im debating wether i should get that or the big=
ger numeric keypad apple<br>&gt; keyboard and a cover which would run about=
 90.-dlls<br>&gt;<br>&gt; or just the logic ready keyboard like this one wh=
ich
 is 9 dlls more:<br>&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.amazon.com/LogicKeyboard-Log=
ic-Preset-Keyboard-Express/dp/B005U7WUU6" target=3D"_blank">http://www.amaz=
on.com/LogicKeyboard-Logic-Preset-Keyboard-Express/dp/B005U7WUU6</a><br>&gt=
;<br>&gt; but i dont know if Logic key commands will change in the future t=
hen i d be<br>&gt; stucked with this keyboard<br>&gt; plus if someone uses =
my mac they ill probably be tripping with such a flashy<br>&gt; keyboard;-)=
<br>&gt;<br>&gt; any experiences or comments?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; <a href=3D"ht=
tp://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom" target=3D"_blank">http://www.myspace.co=
m/luisangulocom</a><br><br><br><br> </div> </div>  </div></body></html>
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GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info
=======================================================================
Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long
Special Focus on Radio Massacre International.  The Featured CD at
Midnight will be "Lost in Transit 1 - The Gatherings 2004" on Northern
Echo.

Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that
airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and
Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville
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Note: The WDIY website has changed and the Galactic Travels portion is
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Any idea why UNDO wouldn't work in Mobius for me (I've got Mobius 2
running as a plugin in Live 8.2.2) on a Mac but this happens as a
stand alone as well-UNDO doesn't work via FCB 1010 midi or clicking on
the button in the Mobius window.)

Apologies if people would rather I ask specific Mobius questions over
on that board,  I just happen to be more at home here.

Kevin

-- 
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Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org
Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos

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On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 10:05 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando
<billowhead@gmail.com> wrote:
> Any idea why UNDO wouldn't work in Mobius for me

Yes. Because your preferences "Maximum Undo" and "Maximum Redo" are
set to a bad number. I remember one older version of Mobius where the
default was "0" and of course that would come out as "undo not
working" :-))  You'll find that setting under
"Configuration/Presets/General".

Greetings from Sweden

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As you record and edit loops, do you see the Layer List (a horizontal
group of yellow bars which is normally in the upper left corner) growing?
If not, then check the Max Undo preset parameter.  If this is set to a
small number then we won't be saving many layers for undo and it may sound
like nothing is happening, especially if you have feedback turned down.
This should default to being empty which means infinite undo.

Jeff


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>Any idea why UNDO wouldn't work in Mobius for me (I've got Mobius 2
>running as a plugin in Live 8.2.2) on a Mac but this happens as a
>stand alone as well-UNDO doesn't work via FCB 1010 midi or clicking on
>the button in the Mobius window.)
>
>Apologies if people would rather I ask specific Mobius questions over
>on that board,  I just happen to be more at home here.
>
>Kevin
>
>--=20
>Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
>form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.
>
>- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)
>
>Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org
>Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos
>
>


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if you empty that field, the default value sets itself to zero



On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> wrote:

> This should default to being empty which means infinite undo.
>

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For the last year I have been using the Max/Min Undo/Redo value 333.
Can't go wrong with that. Highly recommended.

Per


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<simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
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>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> wrote:
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>> This should default to being empty which means infinite undo.

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I have to use 334. 333 is never enough for me.

On a serious note, if you're the type of looper that likes
to fold, spindle, and mutilate loops for an hour or more without resetting,
it is important that you set Max Undo to a non-zero value.  Undo layers
take memory, and Mobius will happily consume all available physical and
virtual memory and crash the machine if you let it. The default should
really
be 100 or 333 rather than infinite.  I recommend you set this as low as
you are
comfortable with.  Undoing back through every edit and feedback pass till
you
reach the first loop can be fun but it comes at a cost.

Jeff
=20

On 7/5/12 3:40 PM, "Per Boysen" <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

>For the last year I have been using the Max/Min Undo/Redo value 333.
>Can't go wrong with that. Highly recommended.
>
>Per
>
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>On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 10:31 PM, Simeon Harris
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>> if you empty that field, the default value sets itself to zero
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> This should default to being empty which means infinite undo.
>
>


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On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 10:50 PM, Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> wrote:
> The default should
> really
> be 100 or 333 rather than infinite.  I recommend you set this as low as
> you are
> comfortable with.  Undoing back through every edit and feedback pass till
> you
> reach the first loop can be fun but it comes at a cost.


Oops. Does it snag a lot of resources? Maybe I should go back to 66
that I was using back in my PC days? I guess it starts over from zero
with a Global Reset?

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen

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It's just memory.  If you can fill 333 layers and still be under the
maximum virtual memory size then you're fine.  If you did this in all 8
tracks it might be a problem.

The memory will be returned to an internal memory pool when you reset the
track and used for other things.  It will however still be "owned" by
Mobius and can't be shared with the host application.  So depending on
what you do you could let Mobius take all the memory, and leave none left
over for Logic or Ableton.  If that happened you would have to restart the
host.

As far as CPU goes it doesn't have much of an impact, but if you fill up
physical memory it will start paging things out to the virtual memory
file.  This can slow things down and cause audio glitches on some
hardware. =20

Jeff


On 7/5/12 3:56 PM, "Per Boysen" <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 10:50 PM, Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com>
>wrote:
>> The default should
>> really
>> be 100 or 333 rather than infinite.  I recommend you set this as low as
>> you are
>> comfortable with.  Undoing back through every edit and feedback pass
>>till
>> you
>> reach the first loop can be fun but it comes at a cost.
>
>
>Oops. Does it snag a lot of resources? Maybe I should go back to 66
>that I was using back in my PC days? I guess it starts over from zero
>with a Global Reset?
>
>Greetings from Sweden
>
>Per Boysen
>www.perboysen.com
>http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>
>


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Zero also means infinite.

On 7/5/12 3:31 PM, "Simeon Harris" <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:

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>On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com>
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>> This should default to being empty which means infinite undo.
>>
>
>


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Hello everyone,

I'm exploring Mobius since a while and I recently switched from the =
fcb-1010 controller to a keith mcmillen softstep, due to its size and =
cause it's usb powered.

In addition to the fact this pedal is very wayward, it seems like it =
can't control the half speed function properly.
I can switch a loop to half speed, but once it is in the half speed =
mode, i can't go back to normal speed with a second press. instead there =
appears noise with each further press and sometimes it causes ableton, =
which i use as host, to crash. I don't have this problem with any other =
function and never had it before, when i used the fcb.
any ideas?

Sorry for my bad grammar ;)
Chris=

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Hey Christoph.  I'm going to let other answer your specific problem,
however, with the soft step, although it's quirky sometimes, one thing you
can do to improve things is use it in standalone mode=85 just save your
presets to the pedal directly.  I'm not sure at all that this is your
problem, but it sort of smoothed out a lot of problems I was having.

all best,

todd


On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 7:09 PM, Christoph Lehmann <krrrs@gmx.de> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I'm exploring Mobius since a while and I recently switched from the
> fcb-1010 controller to a keith mcmillen softstep, due to its size and cau=
se
> it's usb powered.
>
> In addition to the fact this pedal is very wayward, it seems like it can'=
t
> control the half speed function properly.
> I can switch a loop to half speed, but once it is in the half speed mode,
> i can't go back to normal speed with a second press. instead there appear=
s
> noise with each further press and sometimes it causes ableton, which i us=
e
> as host, to crash. I don't have this problem with any other function and
> never had it before, when i used the fcb.
> any ideas?
>
> Sorry for my bad grammar ;)
> Chris
>

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Hey Christoph. =A0I&#39;m going to let other answer your specific problem, =
however, with the soft step, although it&#39;s quirky sometimes, one thing =
you can do to improve things is use it in standalone mode=85 just save your=
 presets to the pedal directly. =A0I&#39;m not sure at all that this is you=
r problem, but it sort of smoothed out a lot of problems I was having. =A0<=
div>

<br></div><div>all best,=A0</div><div><br></div><div>todd</div><div><br><br=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 7:09 PM, Christoph Lehma=
nn <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:krrrs@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">=
krrrs@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hello everyone,<br>
<br>
I&#39;m exploring Mobius since a while and I recently switched from the fcb=
-1010 controller to a keith mcmillen softstep, due to its size and cause it=
&#39;s usb powered.<br>
<br>
In addition to the fact this pedal is very wayward, it seems like it can&#3=
9;t control the half speed function properly.<br>
I can switch a loop to half speed, but once it is in the half speed mode, i=
 can&#39;t go back to normal speed with a second press. instead there appea=
rs noise with each further press and sometimes it causes ableton, which i u=
se as host, to crash. I don&#39;t have this problem with any other function=
 and never had it before, when i used the fcb.<br>


any ideas?<br>
<br>
Sorry for my bad grammar ;)<br>
Chris<br>
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Subject: Re: Halfspeed doesn't work with Mobius and Softstep
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Make sure you are using the function named "Speed" and not "Halfspeed".

Speed is the function that toggles half speed on and off.  Halfspeed is
the function that puts you in half speed if you're not already there, but
leaves you there if you're already in half speed.  It is the opposite of
"Fullspeed".

The names are changing in the next release to be "Toggle Halfspeed" and
"Halfspeed".

As far as the SoftStep weirdness I can't be much help other than checking
to make sure it isn't sending out anything extra besides the one note you
want for Speed.  If it sending out extra stuff, Ableton might be trying to
respond to it.

Jeff


On 7/5/12 6:09 PM, "Christoph Lehmann" <krrrs@gmx.de> wrote:

>Hello everyone,
>
>I'm exploring Mobius since a while and I recently switched from the
>fcb-1010 controller to a keith mcmillen softstep, due to its size and
>cause it's usb powered.
>
>In addition to the fact this pedal is very wayward, it seems like it
>can't control the half speed function properly.
>I can switch a loop to half speed, but once it is in the half speed mode,
>i can't go back to normal speed with a second press. instead there
>appears noise with each further press and sometimes it causes ableton,
>which i use as host, to crash. I don't have this problem with any other
>function and never had it before, when i used the fcb.
>any ideas?
>
>Sorry for my bad grammar ;)
>Chris
>


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Don't know if this has already been posted but really artful and beautiful p=
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Thank you all.  One last thing, just to clarify my terminology.  There
are 4 tracks and 8 loops present in the default set up, yes?  I ask
because when I switch from track 1 to 2 the audio of track 1 goes
silent and I can only hear track 2.  When I go back to track 1, the
audio comes back but it then erases itself after one pass (and track 2
is muted).  Is this also a default setting that can be changed or
something else?

Almost there I think.

Kevin

On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> wrote:
> Zero also means infinite.
>
> On 7/5/12 3:31 PM, "Simeon Harris" <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>>if you empty that field, the default value sets itself to zero
>>
>>
>>
>>On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> This should default to being empty which means infinite undo.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



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thanks jeff. this could really be the problem.
must have overseen this, when i set up the midi bindings completely new =
for the softstep. stupid me.

hey todd,
think i will try the standalone mode soon, to see what happens, but most =
of the softsteps strange behaviors are related to functions, that are =
only available in the host mode, so it wouldn't help much.


Chris=

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Hi Kevin,

Under the "Configuration" menu you may set Mobius up as you like it.
If using the plugin version just right-click (or ctr-click if Mac with
one-button mouse) inside the Mobius graphic interface window to get a
drop-down menu.

Greetings from Sweden

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On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando
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> Thank you all.  One last thing, just to clarify my terminology.  There
> are 4 tracks and 8 loops present in the default set up, yes?  I ask
> because when I switch from track 1 to 2 the audio of track 1 goes
> silent and I can only hear track 2.  When I go back to track 1, the
> audio comes back but it then erases itself after one pass (and track 2
> is muted).  Is this also a default setting that can be changed or
> something else?

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I did a quick improvised recording of using the pickup machine of the Octat=
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I don't recall anyone mentioning this soon-to-be-released unit. Cheap at $159.00 USD.

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I might have missed this, but I'm wondering if the two "phrases" can be sync=
ed, ie., a 2 measure phrase of guitar "percussion" on #1 synced with, say, 8=
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As this is clearly a reduced version of the VDL-1 it's almost certain that this will be possible.

Likely also that the loops can be in a polyrhythmic relationship.

..but two loops with only two switches???

andy


John Floridis wrote:
> I might have missed this, but I'm wondering if the two "phrases" can be 
> synced, ie., a 2 measure phrase of guitar "percussion" on #1 synced 
> with, say, 8 measures of a chord progression. 
> 
> 
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> On Jul 6, 2012, at 9:23 AM, Paul Richards <paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com 
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>>  
>> I don't recall anyone mentioning this soon-to-be-released unit. Cheap 
>> at $159.00 USD.
>>  
>> http://www.voxamps.com/pedals/lillooper/

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That's definitely not default behavior.  Tracks are normally independent,
how are you switching tracks with MIDI?  Are you doing any complex track
routing
in the host or is everything coming in and going out through one Mobius
port?

Jeff


On 7/5/12 11:02 PM, "Kevin Cheli-Colando" <billowhead@gmail.com> wrote:

>Thank you all.  One last thing, just to clarify my terminology.  There
>are 4 tracks and 8 loops present in the default set up, yes?  I ask
>because when I switch from track 1 to 2 the audio of track 1 goes
>silent and I can only hear track 2.  When I go back to track 1, the
>audio comes back but it then erases itself after one pass (and track 2
>is muted).  Is this also a default setting that can be changed or
>something else?
>
>Almost there I think.
>
>Kevin


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That's good to know, I was afraid I was getting near a RTFM moment.

I'm switching tracks via midi notes from fcb1010.  I am do not doing
anything complicated (that I know of).  As far as I know everything is
coming and going on a single port (especially if that was the default).

Kevin


On Friday, July 6, 2012, Jeff Larson wrote:

> That's definitely not default behavior.  Tracks are normally independent,
> how are you switching tracks with MIDI?  Are you doing any complex track
> routing
> in the host or is everything coming in and going out through one Mobius
> port?
>
> Jeff
>
>
> On 7/5/12 11:02 PM, "Kevin Cheli-Colando" <billowhead@gmail.com<javascript:;>>
> wrote:
>
> >Thank you all.  One last thing, just to clarify my terminology.  There
> >are 4 tracks and 8 loops present in the default set up, yes?  I ask
> >because when I switch from track 1 to 2 the audio of track 1 goes
> >silent and I can only hear track 2.  When I go back to track 1, the
> >audio comes back but it then erases itself after one pass (and track 2
> >is muted).  Is this also a default setting that can be changed or
> >something else?
> >
> >Almost there I think.
> >
> >Kevin
>
>
>

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That&#39;s good to know, I was afraid I was getting near a RTFM moment.<div=
><br></div><div>I&#39;m switching tracks via midi notes from fcb1010. =A0I =
am do not doing anything complicated (that I know of). =A0As far as I know =
everything is coming and going on a single port (especially if that was the=
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<div><br></div><div>Kevin</div><div><br><br>On Friday, July 6, 2012, Jeff L=
arson  wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">That&#39;s definitely not d=
efault behavior. =A0Tracks are normally independent,<br>

how are you switching tracks with MIDI? =A0Are you doing any complex track<=
br>
routing<br>
in the host or is everything coming in and going out through one Mobius<br>
port?<br>
<br>
Jeff<br>
<br>
<br>
On 7/5/12 11:02 PM, &quot;Kevin Cheli-Colando&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"javascri=
pt:;" onclick=3D"_e(event, &#39;cvml&#39;, &#39;billowhead@gmail.com&#39;)"=
>billowhead@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt;Thank you all. =A0One last thing, just to clarify my terminology. =A0Th=
ere<br>
&gt;are 4 tracks and 8 loops present in the default set up, yes? =A0I ask<b=
r>
&gt;because when I switch from track 1 to 2 the audio of track 1 goes<br>
&gt;silent and I can only hear track 2. =A0When I go back to track 1, the<b=
r>
&gt;audio comes back but it then erases itself after one pass (and track 2<=
br>
&gt;is muted). =A0Is this also a default setting that can be changed or<br>
&gt;something else?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;Almost there I think.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;Kevin<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><span></span><br><br>-- <br>Till now you seriously consi=
dered yourself to be the body and to have a<br>form. That is the primal ign=
orance which is the root cause of all trouble.<br><br>- Ramana Maharshi (18=
79-1950)<br>
<br>Sound and Vision:=A0 <a href=3D"http://www.minds-eye.org">http://www.mi=
nds-eye.org</a><br>Video <a href=3D"http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos"=
>http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos</a> <br>

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Please send your mobius.xml file to jeff@circularlabs.com

From: Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com<mailto:billowhead@gmail.com=
>>
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That's good to know, I was afraid I was getting near a RTFM moment.

I'm switching tracks via midi notes from fcb1010.  I am do not doing anythi=
ng complicated (that I know of).  As far as I know everything is coming and=
 going on a single port (especially if that was the default).

Kevin


On Friday, July 6, 2012, Jeff Larson wrote:
That's definitely not default behavior.  Tracks are normally independent,
how are you switching tracks with MIDI?  Are you doing any complex track
routing
in the host or is everything coming in and going out through one Mobius
port?

Jeff


On 7/5/12 11:02 PM, "Kevin Cheli-Colando" <billowhead@gmail.com<javascript:=
;>> wrote:

>Thank you all.  One last thing, just to clarify my terminology.  There
>are 4 tracks and 8 loops present in the default set up, yes?  I ask
>because when I switch from track 1 to 2 the audio of track 1 goes
>silent and I can only hear track 2.  When I go back to track 1, the
>audio comes back but it then erases itself after one pass (and track 2
>is muted).  Is this also a default setting that can be changed or
>something else?
>
>Almost there I think.
>
>Kevin




--
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form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

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<div>Please send your mobius.xml file to jeff@circularlabs.com</div>
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<div>That's good to know, I was afraid I was getting near a RTFM moment.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I'm switching tracks via midi notes from fcb1010. &nbsp;I am do not do=
ing anything complicated (that I know of). &nbsp;As far as I know everythin=
g is coming and going on a single port (especially if that was the default)=
.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Kevin</div>
<div><br>
<br>
On Friday, July 6, 2012, Jeff Larson wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
That's definitely not default behavior. &nbsp;Tracks are normally independe=
nt,<br>
how are you switching tracks with MIDI? &nbsp;Are you doing any complex tra=
ck<br>
routing<br>
in the host or is everything coming in and going out through one Mobius<br>
port?<br>
<br>
Jeff<br>
<br>
<br>
On 7/5/12 11:02 PM, &quot;Kevin Cheli-Colando&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"javascri=
pt:;" onclick=3D"_e(event, 'cvml', 'billowhead@gmail.com')">billowhead@gmai=
l.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt;Thank you all. &nbsp;One last thing, just to clarify my terminology. &n=
bsp;There<br>
&gt;are 4 tracks and 8 loops present in the default set up, yes? &nbsp;I as=
k<br>
&gt;because when I switch from track 1 to 2 the audio of track 1 goes<br>
&gt;silent and I can only hear track 2. &nbsp;When I go back to track 1, th=
e<br>
&gt;audio comes back but it then erases itself after one pass (and track 2<=
br>
&gt;is muted). &nbsp;Is this also a default setting that can be changed or<=
br>
&gt;something else?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;Almost there I think.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;Kevin<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
</div>
<span></span><br>
<br>
-- <br>
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a<br>
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.<=
br>
<br>
- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)<br>
<br>
Sound and Vision:&nbsp; <a href=3D"http://www.minds-eye.org">http://www.min=
ds-eye.org</a><br>
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http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels?playlist_date=07-05-2012

Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that
airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem,
PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville
and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet.  WDIY also broadcasts
in Digital HD at 88.1 FM.

                 Show #796                July 5, 2012.

WDIY Playlist:
http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels?playlist_date=07-05-2012

RECAP:
On this show, I began a month-long focus on Radio Massacre International.
The Featured CD at Midnight was "Lost in Transit 1 - The Gatherings
2004" on Northern Echo.


PLAYLIST:

11:04 pm
ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Kevin Braheny        Starflight 1 *       Galaxies (Hearts of Space)
Bruno Sanfilippo     Urban Flow           Urbs (Hypnos)
Steve Roach and      Whisper              Low Volume Music (Projeekt)
   Dirk Serries
mystified with       Pacific              Music for Transit (Roil Noise)
   Robin Storey
Loren Nerell         Slow Dream           Slow Dream (Projekt)
Radio Massacre       "an ending is just   Lost in Transit 2 - the
   International        a beginning"         gatherings 2004 (Northern
                                             Echo)


12:00 am
ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Radio Massacre       II                   Lost in Transit 2 - the
   International                             gatherings 2004 (Northern
                                             Echo)
Radio Massacre       III                  Lost in Transit 2 - the
   International                             gatherings 2004 (Northern
                                             Echo)
Radio Massacre       IV *                 Lost in Transit 2 - the
   International                             gatherings 2004 (Northern
                                             Echo)


1:00 am

  * = excerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
++ = Advance CDR from Artist
-- = Background music under interview


NEXT SHOW:
On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on
Radio Massacre International.  The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Lost
in Transit 2 - National Space Centre 2005" on Northern Echo.

Bill
========================================================================
Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show,
Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and
Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in
Trexlertown and Fogelsville.  WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio
on 88.1 FM.
Galactic Travels web site: temporarily using 
http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels
Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org

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So am I reading this correct? Does this do a sort of multiply then?  

 

Thanks,

 

 

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THOUGHT RADIO:                       http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio
=======================================================================
My next stint on Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show,
will be Saturday, July 7 at 6 am EDT/GMT-4.  In Phase One, I will
continue the special on Sequences Electronic Music Magazine's sampler
CDs.

I host the show every other week. When I am at the helm, the show
features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an
eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive
Rock.

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Hi Mike,
yep, you're reading correct.

Re: Vox Li'l Looper

It's *very likely* that loop 2 can be a multiple
in length of loop 1.
(or vice versa).

It's *highly unlikely* that you can change the length
of an existing loop.

The L'il Looper is clearly based on the VDL-1 which I know well,
and by looking at the pics of the pedal I reckon I can
deduce fairly accurately how it will behave.

Once the manual gets on line we'll hopefully have definite answers.

andy


mike@michaelplishka.com wrote:
> So am I reading this correct? Does this do a sort of multiply then? 
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Mike
> 

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http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio/playlists/2012/120707.html

The Saturday edition of The AM/FM Showhas alternating hosts.  When I am
at the helm, the show is called Thought Radio and you can expect to hear
electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix
of other genres.  The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am EDT/GMT-4 on
WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet.  I also host Afterglow
every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am.http://soundscapes.us/afterglow

                 Show #228                July 7, 2012.

Phase I/Space:

ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Twyndyllyngs         Granular Space       Between Space and Time
                                             (electro-music media)
Twyndyllyngs         Convoluted Time      Between Space and Time
                                             (electro-music media)
VA [Richard          "Breaking Silence"   T'AI (Auditorium Edizioni)
   Barbieri]            and "Light Years"


Phase II/Eclectic:

ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Anthony Phillips     Credo In Cantus      Seventh Heaven (none)
   and Andrew Skeet
Joey Curtin          Us and Them          Going To California (Mulberry
                                             Tree)
Monks of the Desert  Salve Regina         Blessings, Peace and Harmony
                                             (Sony)
Joey Curtin          Going To California  Going To California (Mulberry
                                             Tree)
Luna Blanca          El Dorado            El Dorado (lunablanca)


Phase III/Progressive Rock:

ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
IZZ                  The Crush of Night   Crush of Night (Doone)
Pinnacle             Somewhere Between    A Blueprint for Chaos (Fox's
                                             Den)
3rdegree             Exit Strategy        The Long Division (none)
It Bites             Midnight             Once Around the World (Virgin)
Alan Morse           Cold Fusion *        Four O'clock and Hysteria
                                             (InsideOut)


  * = excerpt
++ = Advanced CDR from artist
VA = Various Artists (compilation)

On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDRs that
come with each issue of Sequences electronic music magazine.


Bill Fox
========================================================================
Host of Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show every
other Saturday at 6:00 am EDT/GMT-4.
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Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age.
Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases.
Website - http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio
Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at
http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html

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Before I switched to Mac, I was using this Voxengo VST recorder in Live =
and it worked well. But there is no version for MAC.
http://www.voxengo.com/product/recorder/

Anyone know of a free or cost based audio recorder plug for mac?


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Thanks Andy!

For the price I think this might be a worthy investment.



Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: andy butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk]=20
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 3:32 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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Hi Mike,
yep, you're reading correct.

Re: Vox Li'l Looper

It's *very likely* that loop 2 can be a multiple in length of loop 1.
(or vice versa).

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loop.

The L'il Looper is clearly based on the VDL-1 which I know well, and by =
looking at the pics of the pedal I reckon I can deduce fairly accurately =
how it will behave.

Once the manual gets on line we'll hopefully have definite answers.

andy


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Any ETA on when these will become available?
I haven't been able to find any release info from Vox's site.
Or, maybe I just missed something? I sure do want to get one!

TIA!

Cheers-
Rev.Fever
Portlandia
http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult



On Jul 7, 2012, at 10:28 AM, <mike@michaelplishka.com> wrote:

> Thanks Andy!
>
> For the price I think this might be a worthy investment.
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: andy butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk]
> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 3:32 AM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: It's a L'il Looper!
>
> Hi Mike,
> yep, you're reading correct.
>
> Re: Vox Li'l Looper
>
> It's *very likely* that loop 2 can be a multiple in length of loop 1.
> (or vice versa).
>
> It's *highly unlikely* that you can change the length of an  
> existing loop.
>
> The L'il Looper is clearly based on the VDL-1 which I know well,  
> and by looking at the pics of the pedal I reckon I can deduce  
> fairly accurately how it will behave.
>
> Once the manual gets on line we'll hopefully have definite answers.
>
> andy
>
>
> mike@michaelplishka.com wrote:
>> So am I reading this correct? Does this do a sort of multiply then?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>

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>From MF it's 07/13/2012.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/vox-lil-looper-guitar-multi-effects-pedal

Seems more like just another beginners toy to me though. Of course no
reverse, no feedback, no...well :) Not that it couldn't be useful and I am
always happy to see looping being promoted with new products.

Jeff

On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Revfever <revfever@ubergadget.com> wrote:

> Any ETA on when these will become available?
> I haven't been able to find any release info from Vox's site.
> Or, maybe I just missed something? I sure do want to get one!
>
> TIA!
>
> Cheers-
> Rev.Fever
> Portlandia
> http://www.spiritone.com/~**rvfever <http://www.spiritone.com/%7Ervfever>
> http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/**elemental1<http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1>
> http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/**elemental2<http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2>
> http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult
>
>
>
> On Jul 7, 2012, at 10:28 AM, <mike@michaelplishka.com> wrote:
>
>  Thanks Andy!
>>
>> For the price I think this might be a worthy investment.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: andy butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk**]
>> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 3:32 AM
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-**delight.com<Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>> Subject: Re: It's a L'il Looper!
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>> yep, you're reading correct.
>>
>> Re: Vox Li'l Looper
>>
>> It's *very likely* that loop 2 can be a multiple in length of loop 1.
>> (or vice versa).
>>
>> It's *highly unlikely* that you can change the length of an existing loop.
>>
>> The L'il Looper is clearly based on the VDL-1 which I know well, and by
>> looking at the pics of the pedal I reckon I can deduce fairly accurately
>> how it will behave.
>>
>> Once the manual gets on line we'll hopefully have definite answers.
>>
>> andy
>>
>>
>> mike@michaelplishka.com wrote:
>>
>>> So am I reading this correct? Does this do a sort of multiply then?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>
>

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>From MF it&#39;s 07/13/2012. <a href=3D"http://www.musiciansfriend.com/ampl=
ifiers-effects/vox-lil-looper-guitar-multi-effects-pedal">http://www.musici=
ansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/vox-lil-looper-guitar-multi-effects-pedal<=
/a><br>
<br>Seems more like just another beginners toy to me though. Of course no r=
everse, no feedback, no...well :) Not that it couldn&#39;t be useful and I =
am always happy to see looping being promoted with new products.<br><br>
Jeff<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Revf=
ever <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:revfever@ubergadget.com" targe=
t=3D"_blank">revfever@ubergadget.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;=
padding-left:1ex">
Any ETA on when these will become available?<br>
I haven&#39;t been able to find any release info from Vox&#39;s site.<br>
Or, maybe I just missed something? I sure do want to get one!<br>
<br>
TIA!<br>
<br>
Cheers-<br>
Rev.Fever<br>
Portlandia<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.spiritone.com/%7Ervfever" target=3D"_blank">http://ww=
w.spiritone.com/~<u></u>rvfever</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1" target=3D"_blank">http://ww=
w.cdbaby.com/cd/<u></u>elemental1</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2" target=3D"_blank">http://ww=
w.cdbaby.com/cd/<u></u>elemental2</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult" target=3D"_blank">http://www.cdb=
aby.com/cd/skult</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Jul 7, 2012, at 10:28 AM, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mike@michaelplishka.com"=
 target=3D"_blank">mike@michaelplishka.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Thanks Andy!<br>
<br>
For the price I think this might be a worthy investment.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Mike<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: andy butler [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk" target=
=3D"_blank">akbutler@tiscali.co.uk</a><u></u>]<br>
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 3:32 AM<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" target=3D"_blank=
">Loopers-Delight@loopers-<u></u>delight.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: It&#39;s a L&#39;il Looper!<br>
<br>
Hi Mike,<br>
yep, you&#39;re reading correct.<br>
<br>
Re: Vox Li&#39;l Looper<br>
<br>
It&#39;s *very likely* that loop 2 can be a multiple in length of loop 1.<b=
r>
(or vice versa).<br>
<br>
It&#39;s *highly unlikely* that you can change the length of an existing lo=
op.<br>
<br>
The L&#39;il Looper is clearly based on the VDL-1 which I know well, and by=
 looking at the pics of the pedal I reckon I can deduce fairly accurately h=
ow it will behave.<br>
<br>
Once the manual gets on line we&#39;ll hopefully have definite answers.<br>
<br>
andy<br>
<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:mike@michaelplishka.com" target=3D"_blank">mike@michaelpl=
ishka.com</a> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
So am I reading this correct? Does this do a sort of multiply then?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Mike<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br>

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Some UK stores say "next day"! (the ones who online sell stuff they don't have)
Some UK stores say "available for ore-order".

Vox say Summer 2012

andy

Revfever wrote:
> Any ETA on when these will become available?
> I haven't been able to find any release info from Vox's site.
> Or, maybe I just missed something? I sure do want to get one!
> 
> TIA!
> 
> Cheers-
> Rev.Fever

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Why use an "audio recording plugin" inside a host application designed
to record audio?

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen


On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Kris Hartung <krispen.hartung@gmail.com> wrote:
> Before I switched to Mac, I was using this Voxengo VST recorder in Live and
> it worked well. But there is no version for MAC.
> http://www.voxengo.com/product/recorder/
>
> Anyone know of a free or cost based audio recorder plug for mac?
>
>

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The recording function of Live is just not that intuitive to me.  I mean I 
suppose I could just create an audio track and pipe the signal from Main to 
it and record just that track.  But I don't like the interface.  I want to 
be able to name my file before I record and have some recording options in 
an actual recording plugin.  So I guess when you record, then stop, then 
record gain, it just creates a new file with a new file name (live set name 
with some ascending numbers)?   Maybe I should give it another try.

-----Original Message----- 

Why use an "audio recording plugin" inside a host application designed
to record audio?

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen


On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Kris Hartung <krispen.hartung@gmail.com> 
wrote:
> Before I switched to Mac, I was using this Voxengo VST recorder in Live 
> and
> it worked well. But there is no version for MAC.
> http://www.voxengo.com/product/recorder/
>
> Anyone know of a free or cost based audio recorder plug for mac?
>
> 

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Just use resampling as the input, then rename your file. Totally easy. Or us=
e audio hijack or piezo.=20

Sent from my iPhone

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> The recording function of Live is just not that intuitive to me.  I mean I=
 suppose I could just create an audio track and pipe the signal from Main to=
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e able to name my file before I record and have some recording options in an=
 actual recording plugin.  So I guess when you record, then stop, then recor=
d gain, it just creates a new file with a new file name (live set name with s=
ome ascending numbers)?   Maybe I should give it another try.
>=20
> -----Original Message-----=20
> Why use an "audio recording plugin" inside a host application designed
> to record audio?
>=20
> Greetings from Sweden
>=20
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.com
> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>=20
>=20
> On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Kris Hartung <krispen.hartung@gmail.com> w=
rote:
>> Before I switched to Mac, I was using this Voxengo VST recorder in Live a=
nd
>> it worked well. But there is no version for MAC.
>> http://www.voxengo.com/product/recorder/
>>=20
>> Anyone know of a free or cost based audio recorder plug for mac?
>>=20
>=20

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anybody doing this? using a mac for audio out only? is an audio
interface really needed if you're just using it for softsynths, or can
you get away with using the internal audio drivers and the headphone
output? seems to me like it should be fine, but just wondering if
anybody had any thoughts on this...

thanks

sim

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sure. as long as you don't need inputs for audio, this should work fine =
for you.

Chris=

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Yes, that's fine.  The only problem with the built-in audio is that 
there can be a bit of system noise...HOWEVER.. that noise is lower 
than the scanning noise emanating from the audio output of an actual 
Prophet 5 or Oberheim OB-8, and certainly quieter than the noise 
level of a DX-7, or Tr-808, etc...


At 12:08 +0100 8/7/12, Simeon Harris wrote:
>anybody doing this? using a mac for audio out only? is an audio
>interface really needed if you're just using it for softsynths, or can
>you get away with using the internal audio drivers and the headphone
>output? seems to me like it should be fine, but just wondering if
>anybody had any thoughts on this...
>
>thanks
>
>sim


-- 

...
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http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky

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Cool. Thanks guys. The only problem I forsee is running the headphone out in=
to a line level environment, but I think it will be fine.=20

Sent from my iPod

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an be a bit of system noise...HOWEVER.. that noise is lower than the scannin=
g noise emanating from the audio output of an actual Prophet 5 or Oberheim O=
B-8, and certainly quieter than the noise level of a DX-7, or Tr-808, etc...=

>=20
>=20
> At 12:08 +0100 8/7/12, Simeon Harris wrote:
>> anybody doing this? using a mac for audio out only? is an audio
>> interface really needed if you're just using it for softsynths, or can
>> you get away with using the internal audio drivers and the headphone
>> output? seems to me like it should be fine, but just wondering if
>> anybody had any thoughts on this...
>>=20
>> thanks
>>=20
>> sim
>=20
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> ...
> http://www.zmix.net
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> http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky
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> http://albumcredits.com/zmix
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. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. 07.10.12 . THE AMBiENT PiNG presents THE RETURN OF
THE dreamSTATE DRONE CYCLE 2012 . Part Seven . (F#)
featuring dreamSTATE with STEVEN SAUVÉ and ROB HOARE
plus a set by GEEK WEEKEND + fog, light painting and
projections by GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS
@ Supermarket . 268 Augusta Ave . Kensington Market
     just south of College  .  Map, info and directions at:
     http://www.supermarkettoronto.com/site/section/contact
     Tues. July 10th . Doors open at 8:00 . 1st set at 9:00 . $6

Voodoo TV will be broadcasting the PiNG LiVE this Tuesday night!
Supermarket audio/video technician Johnny Trelawny has set
up a live internet broadcast system VooDoo TV which will be
streaming this Tuesday's AMBiENT PiNG event beginning at
9:00pm EST. Enjoy the ambient flow of audio and pixels.
http://www.livestream.com/voodootv1

9:00 . dreamSTATE with GEEK WEEKEND . For the challenging
key of F#, dreamSTATE has brought in the geeks, Steven Sauvé
(keys & laptop) and Rob Hoare (alto flute, wind controller & laptop)
to help assemble and disassemble the structural design of the
seventh drone house. Using synthetic materials, keys and wind
power, this unique crew of dream geeks will fuse together a drone
with an F#nky flavour like no other experienced in the cycle.
http://www.dreamstate.to

10:15 . GEEK WEEKEND . The geeks have extended the weekend
until Tuesday so they can return for their annual PING summer
sizzler with a new sonic scenic soundtrack. Robert Hoare (Berlin)
and Steven Sauvé (Hamilton) look forward to bringing you all
manner of sultry sounds, drenched in absurdity, and dripping with
irony. No computers have been harmed in the making of this music.
ADVISORY: Random processes are used throughout the
performance.  http://www.geekweekend.ca
Rob Hoare: http://robhoare.de

. GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS . Stephen Lindsey and Eric
Siegerman of General Chaos Visuals, dreamSTATE's visual
partners in the drone cycle, will bring light, shadow and fog to
paint the space with their colourful evolving hand crafted patterns.
http://www.generalchaosvisuals.ca

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

. BETWEEN SETS . James Bailey, one of the hosts of the not
forgotten Electric Storm / A Missing Sense radio show, which was
last heard on CKLN, will tantalize our ears with "Nori Bean." This
test recording is based on Terry Riley's Time Lag Accumulator and
was made on two open reel tape recorders for the Killer Loops'
show for the Planet Of The Loops at the November 4th 2003 PiNG,
which featured James with Pessi Parviainen, Andrew Yue and
Michelangelo Iaffaldano. You can see James cutting and splicing
the tape live while working the tape machines if you check out
this photo collage of the show from the PiNG archives:
http://www.theambientping.com/events2003f.html#nov_4_2003

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

COMiNG SOON:

. Tuesday August 14th 2012 . THE PiNG's 13TH ANNiVERSARY and
The RETURN of the dreamSTATE DRONE CYCLE . Part Eight . (F)
featuring dreamSTATE with DEANE HUGHES (Akumu/Kalte) &
RIK MACLEAN (mara's torment/Kalte) plus a set by KALTE +
projections by GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS
@ Supermarket . 268 Augusta Ave . Kensington Market
     just south of College  .  Map, info and directions at:
     http://www.supermarkettoronto.com/site/section/contact
     PiNG doors open at 8 . 1st set at 9:00 . $6

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

A new free release from the ping things net label!

-> Akumu "Transmissions" <-

Listen to a streaming version of "Transmissions" by Akumu here:
http://www.pingthings.com

ping things is thrilled to release the latest from Deane Hughes'
project Akumu. "Transmissions" is a series of short, abstract
pieces that delve into Akumu's interest in messages hidden
within messages, of sounds between sounds, of communications
that are slightly beyond our perception... beyond our reach.

In our daily lives, we are exposed to a constant stream of noise,
static, interference - all of which we filter out and ignore. But what
if there is more there than we are aware of? Hidden inside the
cracks of cacophony?

Built upon recordings of radio static, electrical interference and
guitar-based ephemera, "Transmissions" creates a world of tones,
clicks, squelches and pulses - a space that lies between calm
drones and arrhythmical noise. Within that space, much like
the world around us, perhaps there is something more?
A place where lost transmissions reside.

"Transmissions" by Akumu is available for free download as a
62 Mb Zip file containing the full release in high quality 320kbps
mp3 format along with artwork suitable for printing. The music
on this release is copyright Deane Hughes 2012, and may not
be used or reproduced without the artist's express permission.
If you enjoy the work of Akumu, please visit the Akumu website
at http://www.musicbyakumu.com

"Transmissions" by Akumu direct download link:
http://archive.org/download/PTNR032/PTNR032.zip

Don't forget to check out all of the great artists available at
the ping things store. For more free online releases from
the ping things net label go to: http://pingthings.com

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

THE AMBiENT PiNG is a Toronto based creative community of
audio artists, performers, musicians and visual artists. The PiNG
presents live multimedia performances featuring ambient, electronic,
soundscape, space, drone, psychedelic, chillout, downtempo,
darkwave and experimental artists from around the world.
http://www.theambientping.com

The PiNG also has a Twitter account to send you advance updates
and reminders of the when & where of future PiNG events.
Just search for ambientping to find us. http://twitter.com

We're also on facebook too, again just search THE AMBiENT PiNG.
http://www.facebook.com

ViSiT the ping things store for ambient, electronic and chill things:
http://www.pingthings.com

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Please forward this e-mail to any interested friends or
appropriate newsgroups. Thanks.

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Well I'm not really sure if its avail for MAC but i use TapeIt vst. Its a
very simple plugin that allows you to name your file first and set the
destination save folder before you record. I like how simple it is all you
gotta do is hit record and its very light on cpu. See if it is avilable for
mac. Its what I use for my live loopig vids that i post on youtube.

http://m.youtube.com/results?q=k3z
On Jul 7, 2012 3:25 PM, "Kris Hartung" <krispen.hartung@gmail.com> wrote:

> The recording function of Live is just not that intuitive to me.  I mean I
> suppose I could just create an audio track and pipe the signal from Main to
> it and record just that track.  But I don't like the interface.  I want to
> be able to name my file before I record and have some recording options in
> an actual recording plugin.  So I guess when you record, then stop, then
> record gain, it just creates a new file with a new file name (live set name
> with some ascending numbers)?   Maybe I should give it another try.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Why use an "audio recording plugin" inside a host application designed
> to record audio?
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.com
> http://www.youtube.com/**perboysen <http://www.youtube.com/perboysen>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Kris Hartung <krispen.hartung@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Before I switched to Mac, I was using this Voxengo VST recorder in Live
>> and
>> it worked well. But there is no version for MAC.
>> http://www.voxengo.com/**product/recorder/<http://www.voxengo.com/product/recorder/>
>>
>> Anyone know of a free or cost based audio recorder plug for mac?
>>
>>
>>
>

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<p>Well I&#39;m not really sure if its avail for MAC but i use TapeIt vst. =
Its a very simple plugin that allows you to name your file first and set th=
e destination save folder before you record. I like how simple it is all yo=
u gotta do is hit record and its very light on cpu. See if it is avilable f=
or mac. Its what I use for my live loopig vids that i post on youtube.<br>
</p>
<p><a href=3D"http://m.youtube.com/results?q=3Dk3z">http://m.youtube.com/re=
sults?q=3Dk3z</a></p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jul 7, 2012 3:25 PM, &quot;Kris Hartung&quot;=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:krispen.hartung@gmail.com">krispen.hartung@gmail.com=
</a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
The recording function of Live is just not that intuitive to me. =A0I mean =
I suppose I could just create an audio track and pipe the signal from Main =
to it and record just that track. =A0But I don&#39;t like the interface. =
=A0I want to be able to name my file before I record and have some recordin=
g options in an actual recording plugin. =A0So I guess when you record, the=
n stop, then record gain, it just creates a new file with a new file name (=
live set name with some ascending numbers)? =A0 Maybe I should give it anot=
her try.<br>

<br>
-----Original Message----- <br>
Why use an &quot;audio recording plugin&quot; inside a host application des=
igned<br>
to record audio?<br>
<br>
Greetings from Sweden<br>
<br>
Per Boysen<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com" target=3D"_blank">www.perboysen.com</a=
><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/perboysen" target=3D"_blank">http://www.y=
outube.com/<u></u>perboysen</a><br>
<br>
<br>
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Kris Hartung &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:krispen.=
hartung@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">krispen.hartung@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrot=
e:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Before I switched to Mac, I was using this Voxengo VST recorder in Live and=
<br>
it worked well. But there is no version for MAC.<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.voxengo.com/product/recorder/" target=3D"_blank">http=
://www.voxengo.com/<u></u>product/recorder/</a><br>
<br>
Anyone know of a free or cost based audio recorder plug for mac?<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</blockquote></div>

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>From what I've heard of mac audio you'd likely want to improve on it.
(try it first though, my experience is out of date).

Good way to do that is to run the optical digi out to a standalone 
D/A converter (assuming they still have those).
andy

Simeon Harris wrote:
> anybody doing this? using a mac for audio out only? is an audio
> interface really needed if you're just using it for softsynths, or can
> you get away with using the internal audio drivers and the headphone
> output? seems to me like it should be fine, but just wondering if
> anybody had any thoughts on this...
> 
> thanks
> 
> sim
> 
> 

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Any clip you record in Live takes on the nam of the mixer track. So if you
have named an audio track "guitar", pipe some audio strem there and record
a clip in any of that track's slots the resulting file on the drive will
get named "guitar 0001" (or similar")

On Sunday, July 8, 2012, kay'lon rushing wrote:

> Well I'm not really sure if its avail for MAC but i use TapeIt vst. Its a
> very simple plugin that allows you to name your file first and set the
> destination save folder before you record. I like how simple it is all you
> gotta do is hit record and its very light on cpu. See if it is avilable for
> mac. Its what I use for my liveloopig vids that i post on youtube.
>
> http://m.youtube.com/results?q=k3z
> On Jul 7, 2012 3:25 PM, "Kris Hartung" <krispen.hartung@gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'krispen.hartung@gmail.com');>>
> wrote:
>
>> The recording function of Live is just not that intuitive to me.  I mean
>> I suppose I could just create an audio track and pipe the signal from Main
>> to it and record just that track.  But I don't like the interface.  I want
>> to be able to name my file before I record and have some recording options
>> in an actual recording plugin.  So I guess when you record, then stop, then
>> record gain, it just creates a new file with a new file name (live set name
>> with some ascending numbers)?   Maybe I should give it another try.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> Why use an "audio recording plugin" inside a host application designed
>> to record audio?
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.perboysen.com
>> http://www.youtube.com/**perboysen <http://www.youtube.com/perboysen>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Kris Hartung <krispen.hartung@gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'krispen.hartung@gmail.com');>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Before I switched to Mac, I was using this Voxengo VST recorder in Live
>>> and
>>> it worked well. But there is no version for MAC.
>>> http://www.voxengo.com/**product/recorder/<http://www.voxengo.com/product/recorder/>
>>>
>>> Anyone know of a free or cost based audio recorder plug for mac?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen

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Any clip you record in Live takes on the nam of the mixer track. So if you =
have named an audio track &quot;guitar&quot;, pipe some audio strem there a=
nd record a clip in any of that track&#39;s slots the resulting file on the=
 drive will get named &quot;guitar 0001&quot; (or similar&quot;)<span></spa=
n><br>
<br>On Sunday, July 8, 2012, kay&#39;lon rushing  wrote:<br><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pa=
dding-left:1ex"><p>Well I&#39;m not really sure if its avail for MAC but i =
use TapeIt vst. Its a very simple plugin that allows you to name your file =
first and set the destination save folder before you record. I like how sim=
ple it is all you gotta do is hit record and its very light on cpu. See if =
it is avilable for mac. Its what I use for my liveloopig vids that i post o=
n youtube.<br>

</p>
<p><a href=3D"http://m.youtube.com/results?q=3Dk3z" target=3D"_blank">http:=
//m.youtube.com/results?q=3Dk3z</a></p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jul 7, 2012 3:25 PM, &quot;Kris Hartung&quot;=
 &lt;<a href=3D"javascript:_e({}, &#39;cvml&#39;, &#39;krispen.hartung@gmai=
l.com&#39;);" target=3D"_blank">krispen.hartung@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br=
 type=3D"attribution">
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
The recording function of Live is just not that intuitive to me. =C2=A0I me=
an I suppose I could just create an audio track and pipe the signal from Ma=
in to it and record just that track. =C2=A0But I don&#39;t like the interfa=
ce. =C2=A0I want to be able to name my file before I record and have some r=
ecording options in an actual recording plugin. =C2=A0So I guess when you r=
ecord, then stop, then record gain, it just creates a new file with a new f=
ile name (live set name with some ascending numbers)? =C2=A0 Maybe I should=
 give it another try.<br>


<br>
-----Original Message----- <br>
Why use an &quot;audio recording plugin&quot; inside a host application des=
igned<br>
to record audio?<br>
<br>
Greetings from Sweden<br>
<br>
Per Boysen<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com" target=3D"_blank">www.perboysen.com</a=
><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/perboysen" target=3D"_blank">http://www.y=
outube.com/<u></u>perboysen</a><br>
<br>
<br>
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Kris Hartung &lt;<a href=3D"javascript:_e({=
}, &#39;cvml&#39;, &#39;krispen.hartung@gmail.com&#39;);" target=3D"_blank"=
>krispen.hartung@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Before I switched to Mac, I was using this Voxengo VST recorder in Live and=
<br>
it worked well. But there is no version for MAC.<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.voxengo.com/product/recorder/" target=3D"_blank">http=
://www.voxengo.com/<u></u>product/recorder/</a><br>
<br>
Anyone know of a free or cost based audio recorder plug for mac?<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</blockquote></div>
</blockquote><br><br>-- <br>Greetings from Sweden<br><br>Per Boysen<br><a h=
ref=3D"http://www.perboysen.com" target=3D"_blank">www.perboysen.com</a><br=
><a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/perboysen" target=3D"_blank">http://www.=
youtube.com/perboysen</a><br>
<br>

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mainstage on the app store is at v2.2.2

i'm a registered logic studio owner and my version of mainstage is still at 2.1

i received an update last year, but nothing since.... so why have i
not been offered the opportunity to upgrade my mainstage?

sim

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Good Morning All, 

I was lucky enough to be in the first row at the House of Blues last Thursday for the first Tangerine Dream concert in Boston in 20 years. A great show! I'm writing though, because I thought you might find their setup interesting. They're touring as a six piece - guitar, precussionist, violin/cello/theremin player, and three keyboardists, one who doubles on woodwinds. The three keyboardists Edgar Froese, Thorsten Queschning, and Linda Spa each had a Nord synth (an older Nord Lead, a Lead 3 and a Wave, respectively) and Froese and Queschning each had a Korg Radias as well as a MIDI controller I coudln't quite see. But they also had 2 big plasma screens on which they were running softsynths (Arturia Moog Modular, Minimoog, Massive, and a few more. But what I found couldn't help but note after all the recent Mac talk is that they appeared to be running the lot off Dell laptops . 

Edgar is pretty much the granddaddy of live electronic performance, so it might be interesting to hear his reasoning on computer choices! 

Chris 

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lues last Thursday for the first Tangerine Dream concert in Boston in 20 ye=
ars.&nbsp; A great show!&nbsp; I'm writing though, because I thought you mi=
ght find their setup interesting.&nbsp; They're touring as a six piece - gu=
itar, precussionist, violin/cello/theremin player, and three keyboardists, =
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Another group that says they are doing a tour and come to 5 places in
America. Damn.

I wish I could have gotten to see this but alas, I didn't even think they
would be doing a tour. It really bothers me that they, along with just
about any other group or soloist seem to pass right over the midwest
region, and they should know there's a LOT of fans out here.

As for him using Dell computers. I really don't think there is much of a
difference between a mac and win machine these days except for user
interface and all the damn updates you always have to do with windows
products. I (being a mac user) have actually grown tired of all this apple
bull, especially with apple trying to tell me what I need in a computer. I
need a freaking dvd drive. And I also need a blu-ray drive, both of which
they don't do in laptops anymore. All I can tell you is this...my next
computer will be made in pieces I buy from computer stores and it will run
windows. Cause I need something super powerful for video. And I'll just use
this (computer i'm on now) for web stuff.

Cheers Christophe. BTW, Any pics???
Jeffrey

On Monday, July 9, 2012, Christophe wrote:

> Good Morning All,
>
> I was lucky enough to be in the first row at the House of Blues last
> Thursday for the first Tangerine Dream concert in Boston in 20 years.  A
> great show!  I'm writing though, because I thought you might find their
> setup interesting.  They're touring as a six piece - guitar, precussionist,
> violin/cello/theremin player, and three keyboardists, one who doubles on
> woodwinds.  The three keyboardists Edgar Froese, Thorsten Queschning, and
> Linda Spa each had a Nord synth (an older Nord Lead, a Lead 3 and a Wave,
> respectively) and Froese and Queschning each had a Korg Radias as well as a
> MIDI controller I coudln't quite see.  But they also had 2 big plasma
> screens on which they were running softsynths (Arturia Moog Modular,
> Minimoog, Massive, and a few more.  But what I found  couldn't help but
> note after all the recent Mac talk is that they appeared to be running the
> lot off Dell laptops.
>
> Edgar is pretty much the granddaddy of live electronic performance, so it
> might be interesting to hear his reasoning on computer choices!
>
> Chris
>

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Another group that says they are doing a tour and come to 5 places in Ameri=
ca. Damn.<div><br></div><div>I wish I could have gotten to see this but ala=
s, I didn&#39;t even think they would be doing a tour. It really bothers me=
 that they, along with just about any other group or soloist seem to pass r=
ight over the midwest region, and they should know there&#39;s a LOT of fan=
s out here.</div>
<div><br></div><div>As for him using Dell computers. I really don&#39;t thi=
nk there is much of a difference between a mac and win machine these days e=
xcept for user interface and all the damn updates you always have to do wit=
h windows products. I (being a mac user) have actually grown tired of all t=
his apple bull, especially with apple trying to tell me what I need in a co=
mputer. I need a freaking dvd drive. And I also need a blu-ray drive, both =
of which they don&#39;t do in laptops anymore. All I can tell you is this..=
.my next computer will be made in pieces I buy from computer stores and it =
will run windows. Cause I need something super powerful for video. And I&#3=
9;ll just use this (computer i&#39;m on now) for web stuff.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Cheers Christophe. BTW, Any pics???</div><div>Jeffrey<b=
r><br>On Monday, July 9, 2012, Christophe  wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex">
<div><div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial">Good Morning All,<br><=
br>I was lucky enough to be in the first row at the House of Blues last Thu=
rsday for the first Tangerine Dream concert in Boston in 20 years.=A0 A gre=
at show!=A0 I&#39;m writing though, because I thought you might find their =
setup interesting.=A0 They&#39;re touring as a six piece - guitar, precussi=
onist, violin/cello/theremin player, and three keyboardists, one who double=
s on woodwinds.=A0 The three keyboardists Edgar Froese, Thorsten Queschning=
, and Linda Spa each had a Nord synth (an older Nord Lead, a Lead 3 and a W=
ave, respectively) and Froese and Queschning each had a Korg Radias as well=
 as a MIDI controller I coudln&#39;t quite see.=A0 But they also had 2 big =
plasma screens on which they were running softsynths (Arturia Moog Modular,=
 Minimoog, Massive, and a few more.=A0 But what I found=A0 couldn&#39;t hel=
p but note after all the recent Mac talk is that they appeared to be runnin=
g the lot off Dell laptops.<br>
<br>Edgar is pretty much the granddaddy of live electronic performance, so =
it might be interesting to hear his reasoning on computer choices!<br><br>C=
hris<br></div></div></blockquote></div>

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Jeffrey, although I know jack-sh*t about computers (or maybe BECAUSE I know=
 jack-sh*t about computers), I feel what you're saying about PCs versus Mac=
s. I use an infuriating old MacBook at my temp job and an equally infuriati=
ng Windows 7 PC at home, and they both have features that make me want to s=
mash them with a hammer. Both are a strong motivation for me to switch ever=
ything to Linux. (BITE ME, MICROSOFT! ;-)




--- On Mon, 7/9/12, Jeffrey Collins <jeffreycollins1975@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Jeffrey Collins <jeffreycollins1975@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream
To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.=
com>
Date: Monday, July 9, 2012, 12:28 PM

Another group that says they are doing a tour and come to 5 places in Ameri=
ca. Damn.
I wish I could have gotten to see this but alas, I didn't even think they w=
ould be doing a tour. It really bothers me that they, along with just about=
 any other group or soloist seem to pass right over the midwest region, and=
 they should know there's a LOT of fans out here.=0A
As for him using Dell computers. I really don't think there is much of a di=
fference between a mac and win machine these days except for user interface=
 and all the damn updates you always have to do with windows products. I (b=
eing a mac user) have actually grown tired of all this apple bull, especial=
ly with apple trying to tell me what I need in a computer. I need a freakin=
g dvd drive. And I also need a blu-ray drive, both of which they don't do i=
n laptops anymore. All I can tell you is this...my next computer will be ma=
de in pieces I buy from computer stores and it will run windows. Cause I ne=
ed something super powerful for video. And I'll just use this (computer i'm=
 on now) for web stuff.=0A
Cheers Christophe. BTW, Any pics???Jeffrey

On Monday, July 9, 2012, Christophe  wrote:
=0AGood Morning All,

I was lucky enough to be in the first row at the House of Blues last Thursd=
ay for the first Tangerine Dream concert in Boston in 20 years.=A0 A great =
show!=A0 I'm writing though, because I thought you might find their setup i=
nteresting.=A0 They're touring as a six piece - guitar, precussionist, viol=
in/cello/theremin player, and three keyboardists, one who doubles on woodwi=
nds.=A0 The three keyboardists Edgar Froese, Thorsten Queschning, and Linda=
 Spa each had a Nord synth (an older Nord Lead, a Lead 3 and a Wave, respec=
tively) and Froese and Queschning each had a Korg Radias as well as a MIDI =
controller I coudln't quite see.=A0 But they also had 2 big plasma screens =
on which they were running softsynths (Arturia Moog Modular, Minimoog, Mass=
ive, and a few more.=A0 But what I found=A0 couldn't help but note after al=
l the recent Mac talk is that they appeared to be running the lot off Dell =
laptops.
=0A
Edgar is pretty much the granddaddy of live electronic performance, so it m=
ight be interesting to hear his reasoning on computer choices!

Chris
=0A
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top" style=3D"font: inherit;">Jeffrey, although I know jack-sh*t about comp=
uters (or maybe BECAUSE I know jack-sh*t about computers), I feel what you'=
re saying about PCs versus Macs. I use an infuriating old MacBook at my tem=
p job and an equally infuriating Windows 7 PC at home, and they both have f=
eatures that make me want to smash them with a hammer. Both are a strong mo=
tivation for me to switch everything to Linux. (BITE ME, MICROSOFT! ;-)<br>=
<br><br><span style=3D"font-weight: bold; font-family: verdana,helvetica,sa=
ns-serif;"></span><br><br>--- On <b>Mon, 7/9/12, Jeffrey Collins <i>&lt;jef=
freycollins1975@gmail.com&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style=3D"border=
-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><b=
r>From: Jeffrey Collins &lt;jeffreycollins1975@gmail.com&gt;<br>Subject: Re=
: OT: Tangerine Dream<br>To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"
 &lt;Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com&gt;<br>Date: Monday, July 9, 2012,=
 12:28 PM<br><br><div id=3D"yiv1926757922">Another group that says they are=
 doing a tour and come to 5 places in America. Damn.<div><br></div><div>I w=
ish I could have gotten to see this but alas, I didn't even think they woul=
d be doing a tour. It really bothers me that they, along with just about an=
y other group or soloist seem to pass right over the midwest region, and th=
ey should know there's a LOT of fans out here.</div>=0A<div><br></div><div>=
As for him using Dell computers. I really don't think there is much of a di=
fference between a mac and win machine these days except for user interface=
 and all the damn updates you always have to do with windows products. I (b=
eing a mac user) have actually grown tired of all this apple bull, especial=
ly with apple trying to tell me what I need in a computer. I need a freakin=
g dvd drive. And I also need a blu-ray drive, both of which they don't do i=
n laptops anymore. All I can tell you is this...my next computer will be ma=
de in pieces I buy from computer stores and it will run windows. Cause I ne=
ed something super powerful for video. And I'll just use this (computer i'm=
 on now) for web stuff.</div>=0A<div><br></div><div>Cheers Christophe. BTW,=
 Any pics???</div><div>Jeffrey<br><br>On Monday, July 9, 2012, Christophe  =
wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"yiv1926757922gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0=
pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: =
1ex;">=0A<div><div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;">Good Morn=
ing All,<br><br>I was lucky enough to be in the first row at the House of B=
lues last Thursday for the first Tangerine Dream concert in Boston in 20 ye=
ars.&nbsp; A great show!&nbsp; I'm writing though, because I thought you mi=
ght find their setup interesting.&nbsp; They're touring as a six piece - gu=
itar, precussionist, violin/cello/theremin player, and three keyboardists, =
one who doubles on woodwinds.&nbsp; The three keyboardists Edgar Froese, Th=
orsten Queschning, and Linda Spa each had a Nord synth (an older Nord Lead,=
 a Lead 3 and a Wave, respectively) and Froese and Queschning each had a Ko=
rg Radias as well as a MIDI controller I coudln't quite see.&nbsp; But they=
 also had 2 big plasma screens on which they were running softsynths (Artur=
ia Moog Modular, Minimoog, Massive, and a few more.&nbsp; But what I found&=
nbsp; couldn't help but note after all the recent Mac talk is that they
 appeared to be running the lot off Dell laptops.<br>=0A<br>Edgar is pretty=
 much the granddaddy of live electronic performance, so it might be interes=
ting to hear his reasoning on computer choices!<br><br>Chris<br></div></div=
></blockquote></div>=0A</div></blockquote></td></tr></table>
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On 7/9/12 7:12 AM, Christophe wrote:
> Edgar is pretty much the granddaddy of live electronic performance, so 
> it might be interesting to hear his reasoning on computer choices!
If he's running all Dells (one of the most annoying manufacturers of PCs 
from my experience) I would
guess that they have given them to him for endorsement purposes.

If I were given several state of the art PCs (even if they were Dells) 
I'd be rocking that shit , too.

Just a surmise, but I'll bet I'm right.

Rick Walker

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Hi Jeffrey, 

Alas, no pics. One of these days I'm going to have to get a cell phone. 

I will tell you a tale of tour frustration, though. Tangerine Dream was scheduled to play in Boston (for the first time in 10 years) in October 2001 in a tiny jazz club called Scullers. I had tickets to both shows, front table. I couldn't wait! Then, guess what? 9/11, and pretty much everything by anyone from Europe got cancelled. And as a result of all the increased border security/harrassment a lot of acts either never came back here or took a long time to, like TD. 

I certainly sympathize with you, though. I have a friend in Wichita who regularly complains about the same thing. 

Chris 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Collins" <jeffreycollins1975@gmail.com> 
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 
Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 12:28:54 PM 
Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream 

Another group that says they are doing a tour and come to 5 places in America. Damn. 


I wish I could have gotten to see this but alas, I didn't even think they would be doing a tour. It really bothers me that they, along with just about any other group or soloist seem to pass right over the midwest region, and they should know there's a LOT of fans out here. 


As for him using Dell computers. I really don't think there is much of a difference between a mac and win machine these days except for user interface and all the damn updates you always have to do with windows products. I (being a mac user) have actually grown tired of all this apple bull, especially with apple trying to tell me what I need in a computer. I need a freaking dvd drive. And I also need a blu-ray drive, both of which they don't do in laptops anymore. All I can tell you is this...my next computer will be made in pieces I buy from computer stores and it will run windows. Cause I need something super powerful for video. And I'll just use this (computer i'm on now) for web stuff. 


Cheers Christophe. BTW, Any pics??? 
Jeffrey 

On Monday, July 9, 2012, Christophe wrote: 




Good Morning All, 

I was lucky enough to be in the first row at the House of Blues last Thursday for the first Tangerine Dream concert in Boston in 20 years. A great show! I'm writing though, because I thought you might find their setup interesting. They're touring as a six piece - guitar, precussionist, violin/cello/theremin player, and three keyboardists, one who doubles on woodwinds. The three keyboardists Edgar Froese, Thorsten Queschning, and Linda Spa each had a Nord synth (an older Nord Lead, a Lead 3 and a Wave, respectively) and Froese and Queschning each had a Korg Radias as well as a MIDI controller I coudln't quite see. But they also had 2 big plasma screens on which they were running softsynths (Arturia Moog Modular, Minimoog, Massive, and a few more. But what I found couldn't help but note after all the recent Mac talk is that they appeared to be running the lot off Dell laptops. 

Edgar is pretty much the granddaddy of live electronic performance, so it might be interesting to hear his reasoning on computer choices! 

Chris 



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y,<br><br>Alas, no pics.&nbsp; One of these days I'm going to have to get a=
 cell phone.<br><br>I will tell you a tale of tour frustration, though.&nbs=
p; Tangerine Dream was scheduled to play in Boston (for the first time in 1=
0 years) in October 2001 in a tiny jazz club called Scullers.&nbsp; I had t=
ickets to both shows, front table.&nbsp; I couldn't wait!&nbsp; Then, guess=
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celled.&nbsp; And as a result of all the increased border security/harrassm=
ent a lot of acts either never came back here or took a long time to, like =
TD.<br><br>I certainly sympathize with you, though.&nbsp; I have a friend i=
n Wichita who regularly complains about the same thing.<br><br>Chris<br><br=
><hr id=3D"zwchr"><b>From: </b>"Jeffrey Collins" &lt;jeffreycollins1975@gma=
il.com&gt;<br><b>To: </b>Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br><b>Sent: </=
b>Monday, July 9, 2012 12:28:54 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: OT: Tangerine Dre=
am<br><br>Another group that says they are doing a tour and come to 5 place=
s in America. Damn.<div><br></div><div>I wish I could have gotten to see th=
is but alas, I didn't even think they would be doing a tour. It really both=
ers me that they, along with just about any other group or soloist seem to =
pass right over the midwest region, and they should know there's a LOT of f=
ans out here.</div>
<div><br></div><div>As for him using Dell computers. I really don't think t=
here is much of a difference between a mac and win machine these days excep=
t for user interface and all the damn updates you always have to do with wi=
ndows products. I (being a mac user) have actually grown tired of all this =
apple bull, especially with apple trying to tell me what I need in a comput=
er. I need a freaking dvd drive. And I also need a blu-ray drive, both of w=
hich they don't do in laptops anymore. All I can tell you is this...my next=
 computer will be made in pieces I buy from computer stores and it will run=
 windows. Cause I need something super powerful for video. And I'll just us=
e this (computer i'm on now) for web stuff.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Cheers Christophe. BTW, Any pics???</div><div>Jeffrey<b=
r><br>On Monday, July 9, 2012, Christophe  wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex">
<div><div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial">Good Morning All,<br><=
br>I was lucky enough to be in the first row at the House of Blues last Thu=
rsday for the first Tangerine Dream concert in Boston in 20 years.&nbsp; A =
great show!&nbsp; I'm writing though, because I thought you might find thei=
r setup interesting.&nbsp; They're touring as a six piece - guitar, precuss=
ionist, violin/cello/theremin player, and three keyboardists, one who doubl=
es on woodwinds.&nbsp; The three keyboardists Edgar Froese, Thorsten Quesch=
ning, and Linda Spa each had a Nord synth (an older Nord Lead, a Lead 3 and=
 a Wave, respectively) and Froese and Queschning each had a Korg Radias as =
well as a MIDI controller I coudln't quite see.&nbsp; But they also had 2 b=
ig plasma screens on which they were running softsynths (Arturia Moog Modul=
ar, Minimoog, Massive, and a few more.&nbsp; But what I found&nbsp; couldn'=
t help but note after all the recent Mac talk is that they appeared to be r=
unning the lot off Dell laptops.<br>
<br>Edgar is pretty much the granddaddy of live electronic performance, so =
it might be interesting to hear his reasoning on computer choices!<br><br>C=
hris<br></div></div></blockquote></div>
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Hi Rick, 

That certainly could be!. What I was thinking though, was that as someone who cut his teeth on notoriously unstable analog gear and being an early adopter of all the tetchy digital stuff, particularly the early synths, to come and go over the last forty years he would probably place a pretty high premium on reliability . 

Chris 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Walker" <looppool@cruzio.com> 
To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> 
Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 1:25:06 PM 
Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream 

On 7/9/12 7:12 AM, Christophe wrote: 
> Edgar is pretty much the granddaddy of live electronic performance, so 
> it might be interesting to hear his reasoning on computer choices! 
If he's running all Dells (one of the most annoying manufacturers of PCs 
from my experience) I would 
guess that they have given them to him for endorsement purposes. 

If I were given several state of the art PCs (even if they were Dells) 
I'd be rocking that shit , too. 

Just a surmise, but I'll bet I'm right. 

Rick Walker 


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div style=3D'font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>Hi Rick,<=
br><br>That certainly could be!.&nbsp; What I was thinking though, was that=
 as someone who cut his teeth on notoriously unstable analog gear and being=
 an early adopter of all the tetchy digital stuff, particularly the early s=
ynths, to come and go over the last forty years he would probably place a p=
retty high premium on reliability.<br><br>Chris<br><br><hr id=3D"zwchr"><b>=
From: </b>"Rick Walker" &lt;looppool@cruzio.com&gt;<br><b>To: </b>"LOOPERS =
DELIGHT (posting)" &lt;Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com&gt;<br><b>Sent: =
</b>Monday, July 9, 2012 1:25:06 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: OT: Tangerine Dr=
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h the granddaddy of live electronic performance, so <br>&gt; it might be in=
teresting to hear his reasoning on computer choices!<br>If he's running all=
 Dells (one of the most annoying manufacturers of PCs <br>from my experienc=
e) I would<br>guess that they have given them to him for endorsement purpos=
es.<br><br>If I were given several state of the art PCs (even if they were =
Dells) <br>I'd be rocking that shit , too.<br><br>Just a surmise, but I'll =
bet I'm right.<br><br>Rick Walker<br><br></div></body></html>
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My money is on your guess, Rick! ;-)




--- On Mon, 7/9/12, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

> From: Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com>
> Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream
> To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Date: Monday, July 9, 2012, 1:25 PM
> On 7/9/12 7:12 AM, Christophe wrote:
> > Edgar is pretty much the granddaddy of live electronic
> performance, so it might be interesting to hear his
> reasoning on computer choices!
> If he's running all Dells (one of the most annoying
> manufacturers of PCs from my experience) I would
> guess that they have given them to him for endorsement
> purposes.
> 
> If I were given several state of the art PCs (even if they
> were Dells) I'd be rocking that shit , too.
> 
> Just a surmise, but I'll bet I'm right.
> 
> Rick Walker
> 
> 

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I have to admit, even though I'm a PC user, Dell isn't the one I'd personally pick. 

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My money is on your guess, Rick! ;-) 


> If I were given several state of the art PCs (even if they 
> were Dells) I'd be rocking that shit , too. 
> 
> Just a surmise, but I'll bet I'm right. 
> 
> Rick Walker 
> 
> 


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<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>I have to admit, even though I'm a PC user, Dell isn't the one I'd personally pick.<br><br><hr id="zwchr"><b>From: </b>"Tim Mungenast" &lt;tmungenast@verizon.net&gt;<br><b>To: </b>Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br><b>Sent: </b>Monday, July 9, 2012 2:19:35 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: OT: Tangerine Dream<br><br>My money is on your guess, Rick! ;-)<br><br><br>&gt; If I were given several state of the art PCs (even if they<br>&gt; were Dells) I'd be rocking that shit , too.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Just a surmise, but I'll bet I'm right.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Rick Walker<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br><br></div></body></html>
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Nice thread! I thing Tangerine Dream beats both Dell and Apple :-)

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Because they changed the marketing and pricing model. Now Logic and
Mainstage are separate products distributed through the Appstore, not
parts of a product (like old day's "Studio" package). In that process
the price tag was cut. My guess to the question "why" is that I assume
they want to bring in more Apple users by this whole idea with low
prices on the Appstore, letting iPhones and iPads finance specialized
products like Mainstage and Logic.

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On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Simeon Harris
<simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
> mainstage on the app store is at v2.2.2
>
> i'm a registered logic studio owner and my version of mainstage is still at 2.1
>
> i received an update last year, but nothing since.... so why have i
> not been offered the opportunity to upgrade my mainstage?
>
> sim
>

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You can use it but it will give a touch of "crappy laptop sound" to
the synths. Some people like that though.

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On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 10:24 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> From what I've heard of mac audio you'd likely want to improve on it.
> (try it first though, my experience is out of date).
>
> Good way to do that is to run the optical digi out to a standalone D/A
> converter (assuming they still have those).
> andy
>
>
> Simeon Harris wrote:
>>
>> anybody doing this? using a mac for audio out only? is an audio
>> interface really needed if you're just using it for softsynths, or can
>> you get away with using the internal audio drivers and the headphone
>> output? seems to me like it should be fine, but just wondering if
>> anybody had any thoughts on this...
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> sim
>>
>>
>

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> I have to admit, even though I'm a PC user, Dell isn't the one I'd personally pick.

Reliability and other quality-related aspects vary even within a
single manufacturer.    In the survey on this page (for desktops, not
laptops):

     http://www.pcworld.com/article/244481/desktop_pc_reliability_and_satisfaction_dell_and_hp_home_pcs_get_poor_grades.html

note the huge difference between Dell's business line and their home
line.  Dell's product line is wide and deep and provides lots of
options, which can be enticing when you know exactly what you want.
Every new model is an opportunity for them to either succeed or fail,
and it's hard to tell which it is until feedback on forums starts
rolling in on a particular model.  I never order a laptop model
without consulting feedback on forums for that particular model.

     ...Tim...

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So, what did you think? I'd love to hear Tangerine Dream do stuff like
they did in the 70s and early 80s. Not so excited about the idea of
them playing their late 80s, 90s and 00s stuff. They are playing in
Napa, California this friday. Tickets are $40. If it was in town, I'd
certainly go to see them. However, wine country gigs are often for
bands that are way past their heyday.

You'd think with all the hip bands that sound like Tangerine Dream now
(such as Oneohtrix Point Never), that they could do well in a San
Francisco or Oakland venue....

Matt

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 7:12 AM, Christophe <cburke55@comcast.net> wrote:
> Good Morning All,
>
> I was lucky enough to be in the first row at the House of Blues last
> Thursday for the first Tangerine Dream concert in Boston in 20 years.  A
> great show!  I'm writing though, because I thought you might find their
> setup interesting.  They're touring as a six piece - guitar, precussionist,
> violin/cello/theremin player, and three keyboardists, one who doubles on
> woodwinds.  The three keyboardists Edgar Froese, Thorsten Queschning, and
> Linda Spa each had a Nord synth (an older Nord Lead, a Lead 3 and a Wave,
> respectively) and Froese and Queschning each had a Korg Radias as well as a
> MIDI controller I coudln't quite see.  But they also had 2 big plasma
> screens on which they were running softsynths (Arturia Moog Modular,
> Minimoog, Massive, and a few more.  But what I found  couldn't help but note
> after all the recent Mac talk is that they appeared to be running the lot
> off Dell laptops.
>
> Edgar is pretty much the granddaddy of live electronic performance, so it
> might be interesting to hear his reasoning on computer choices!
>
> Chris



-- 
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mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusic.com
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I saw them @ UCLA/Royce Hall a few years ago. I'm not a huge fan, but I dig t=
heir 70s/80s work, as well.

It was enjoyable, but a bit of a snoozer, honestly.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 9, 2012, at 3:22 PM, Matt Davignon <mattdavignon@gmail.com> wrote:

> So, what did you think? I'd love to hear Tangerine Dream do stuff like
> they did in the 70s and early 80s. Not so excited about the idea of
> them playing their late 80s, 90s and 00s stuff. They are playing in
> Napa, California this friday. Tickets are $40. If it was in town, I'd
> certainly go to see them. However, wine country gigs are often for
> bands that are way past their heyday.
>=20
> You'd think with all the hip bands that sound like Tangerine Dream now
> (such as Oneohtrix Point Never), that they could do well in a San
> Francisco or Oakland venue....
>=20
> Matt
>=20
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 7:12 AM, Christophe <cburke55@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Good Morning All,
>>=20
>> I was lucky enough to be in the first row at the House of Blues last
>> Thursday for the first Tangerine Dream concert in Boston in 20 years.  A
>> great show!  I'm writing though, because I thought you might find their
>> setup interesting.  They're touring as a six piece - guitar, precussionis=
t,
>> violin/cello/theremin player, and three keyboardists, one who doubles on
>> woodwinds.  The three keyboardists Edgar Froese, Thorsten Queschning, and=

>> Linda Spa each had a Nord synth (an older Nord Lead, a Lead 3 and a Wave,=

>> respectively) and Froese and Queschning each had a Korg Radias as well as=
 a
>> MIDI controller I coudln't quite see.  But they also had 2 big plasma
>> screens on which they were running softsynths (Arturia Moog Modular,
>> Minimoog, Massive, and a few more.  But what I found  couldn't help but n=
ote
>> after all the recent Mac talk is that they appeared to be running the lot=

>> off Dell laptops.
>>=20
>> Edgar is pretty much the granddaddy of live electronic performance, so it=

>> might be interesting to hear his reasoning on computer choices!
>>=20
>> Chris
>=20
>=20
>=20
> --=20
> Matt Davignon
> mattdavignon@gmail.com
> www.ribosomemusic.com
> Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
>=20

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Hi Matt, 

I'm a huge fan of the band throughout their career, but of course with a career 40+ years long there are periods I love (the 70's Froese-Franke-Baumann era) and some not so much (the Melrose period). Unfortunately, the 70's era with those wonderful Moog sequences was not represented very much. The sound and material was in line with what they've been doing in recent years, and if you listen to any of the live recordings they've done over the past few (Zeitgeist, London Eye, etc.) you've pretty much got the picture. Two 90 minute sets, mostly medleys, with parts representative of different phases of the bands material scattered throughout. One unexpected treat was a version of the Doors, "The Crystal Ship", with a vocal by Thorsten Queschning. Bernard Biebl on guitar was good but maybe a bit too restrained. Iris Camaa on percussion was definitely the most animated of the group and she added a lot of energy to the performance. 

But alas, no long space odysseys . :-( 

TD is a mature band (extremely!) so you really don't see a lot of evolution in the sound in recent years , but that said they put on a totally satisfying show. Definitely gave you your moneys worth for $46 for a front row seat! 

Chris 

----- Original Message -----
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So, what did you think? I'd love to hear Tangerine Dream do stuff like 
they did in the 70s and early 80s. Not so excited about the idea of 
them playing their late 80s, 90s and 00s stuff. They are playing in 
Napa, California this friday. Tickets are $40. If it was in town, I'd 
certainly go to see them. However, wine country gigs are often for 
bands that are way past their heyday. 

You'd think with all the hip bands that sound like Tangerine Dream now 
(such as Oneohtrix Point Never), that they could do well in a San 
Francisco or Oakland venue.... 

Matt 



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Right you are. I'm sure, too, that the units they had were not exactly off-the-shelf but extra-special custom orders with all the best components and zero bloatware. 

----- Original Message -----
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> I have to admit, even though I'm a PC user, Dell isn't the one I'd personally pick. 

Reliability and other quality-related aspects vary even within a 
single manufacturer. In the survey on this page (for desktops, not 
laptops): 

http://www.pcworld.com/article/244481/desktop_pc_reliability_and_satisfaction_dell_and_hp_home_pcs_get_poor_grades.html 

note the huge difference between Dell's business line and their home 
line. Dell's product line is wide and deep and provides lots of 
options, which can be enticing when you know exactly what you want. 
Every new model is an opportunity for them to either succeed or fail, 
and it's hard to tell which it is until feedback on forums starts 
rolling in on a particular model. I never order a laptop model 
without consulting feedback on forums for that particular model. 

...Tim... 


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Alas, no pics.  One of these days I'm going to have to get a cell phone.

color me old but i remember a thing called a camera.....:)









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Yeah, I have one of those (digital, even!), but I hate to bring it to concerts for fear that they'll have some kind of draconian "no pictures" policy that will wind up with it being confiscated or something. Cell phones seem to get a pass. 

Talk about old. I asked some kid for the time the other day - he was wearing a wristwatch, but pulled out his cell phone to look at the time! 

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Alas, no pics. One of these days I'm going to have to get a cell phone. 


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<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>Yeah, I have one of those (digital, even!), but I hate to bring it to concerts for fear that they'll have some kind of draconian "no pictures" policy that will wind up with it being confiscated or something.&nbsp; Cell phones seem to get a pass.<br><br>Talk about old.&nbsp; I asked some kid for the time the other day - he was wearing a wristwatch, but pulled out his cell phone to look at the time!<br><br><hr id="zwchr"><b>From: </b>"michael klobuchar" &lt;nemoguitt@aol.com&gt;<br><b>To: </b>Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, July 10, 2012 11:16:46 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: OT: Tangerine Dream<br><br><font color="black" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"><br>

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The wristwatch was probably only some status "bling" to try to look  
good.  :-)

Cheers-
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On Jul 10, 2012, at 8:34 AM, Christophe wrote:

> Yeah, I have one of those (digital, even!), but I hate to bring it  
> to concerts for fear that they'll have some kind of draconian "no  
> pictures" policy that will wind up with it being confiscated or  
> something.  Cell phones seem to get a pass.
>
> Talk about old.  I asked some kid for the time the other day - he  
> was wearing a wristwatch, but pulled out his cell phone to look at  
> the time!
>
> From: "michael klobuchar" <nemoguitt@aol.com>
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 11:16:46 AM
> Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream
>
>
> Alas, no pics.  One of these days I'm going to have to get a cell  
> phone.
>
> color me old but i remember a thing called a camera.....:)
>
>
>


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I was just thinking this morning about how Morton Subotnick (of
"Silver Apples of the Moon" fame, an early synthesizer record) still
manages to compose music that is fascinating without remaining stuck
in an era. Yet some other composers (Aphex Twin, Klaus Schulze, etc)
became less interesting after a certain number of years. With the
latter, the pattern I notice is that in later years they tried to
adjust their music to match what's popular at the moment, which of
course puts them in a field with a lot of competition.

I'm not too knowledgeable about Tangerine Dream's later music, but my
impression from hearing a few samples is that they tailored some of
their music to a general audience (seeking soundtrack & commercial
work) instead of a specialized audience (with the space music). At the
same time, they updated their technology from large bulky synths with
a lot of personality to more modern midi instrumentation (which in the
80s and 90s sounded rather sterile).

On a related note, my radio show/podcast last week was a Space theme
again: http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com/

-- 
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On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Christophe <cburke55@comcast.net> wrote:
> Hi Matt,
>
> I'm a huge fan of the band throughout their career, but of course with a
> career 40+ years long there are periods I love (the 70's
> Froese-Franke-Baumann era)  and some not so much (the Melrose period).
> Unfortunately, the 70's era with those wonderful Moog sequences was not
> represented very much.  The sound and material was in line with what they've
> been doing in recent years, and if you listen to any of the live recordings
> they've done over the past few (Zeitgeist, London Eye, etc.) you've pretty
> much got the picture.  Two 90 minute sets, mostly medleys, with parts
> representative of different phases of the bands material scattered
> throughout.  One unexpected treat was a version of the Doors, "The Crystal
> Ship", with a vocal by Thorsten Queschning.  Bernard Biebl on guitar was
> good but  maybe a bit too restrained.  Iris Camaa on percussion was
> definitely the most animated of the group and she added a lot of energy to
> the performance.
>
> But alas, no long space odysseys. :-(
>
> TD is a mature band (extremely!) so you really don't see a lot of evolution
> in the sound in recent years, but that said they put on a totally satisfying
> show.  Definitely gave you your moneys worth for $46 for a front row seat!
>
> Chris
>
> ________________________________
> From: "Matt Davignon" <mattdavignon@gmail.com>
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 6:22:40 PM
>
> Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream
>
> So, what did you think? I'd love to hear Tangerine Dream do stuff like
> they did in the 70s and early 80s. Not so excited about the idea of
> them playing their late 80s, 90s and 00s stuff. They are playing in
> Napa, California this friday. Tickets are $40. If it was in town, I'd
> certainly go to see them. However, wine country gigs are often for
> bands that are way past their heyday.
>
> You'd think with all the hip bands that sound like Tangerine Dream now
> (such as Oneohtrix Point Never), that they could do well in a San
> Francisco or Oakland venue....
>
> Matt
>
>

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>
> > I'm sure, too, that the units they had were not exactly off-the-shelf
> but extra-special custom orders with all the best components and zero
> bloatware.


The beauty of Dell (and a few other sites, particularly gaming laptop
makers) is that anyone can order the best components - here's Dell's
top-of-the-line workstation laptop:

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You can even get 3 hard drives in it - the price approaches $10K if you get
the largest SSD drives - sounds silly, but for someone using many large
sample libraries, it might be worth it.  Hurray for manufacturers who let
their customers decide what they need!

    ...Tim...

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n:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">&gt; I&#39;m sure=
, too, that the units they had were not exactly off-the-shelf but extra-spe=
cial custom orders with all the best components and zero bloatware.</blockq=
uote>
<div><br></div><div>The beauty of Dell (and a few other sites, particularly=
 gaming laptop makers) is that anyone can order the best components - here&=
#39;s Dell&#39;s top-of-the-line workstation laptop:</div><div><br></div>
<div><table style=3D"border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:0px;margin-bot=
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gn:right;white-space:nowrap;color:rgb(51,51,51);width:110px">Processor</th>
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ding-bottom:6px">Intel=AE Core=99 i7-2960XM (Extreme Quad Core 2.70GHz,8M c=
ache, Upgradable to Intel=AE vPro=99 technology)</td></tr><tr><th scope=3D"=
col" style=3D"margin:0px;padding:0px 20px 6px 0px;border:0px;vertical-align=
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Operating System</th><td style=3D"font-size:0.91666em;vertical-align:top;co=
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padding:0px 20px 6px 0px;border:0px;vertical-align:top;background-color:tra=
nsparent;font-size:0.91666em;text-align:right;white-space:nowrap;color:rgb(=
51,51,51);width:110px">
Display</th><td style=3D"font-size:0.91666em;vertical-align:top;color:rgb(5=
1,51,51);padding-bottom:6px">17.3&quot; UltraSharp=99 FHD(1920x1080) Wide V=
iew LED Multi-Touch w/Stylus, Premium Panel Guarantee</td></tr><tr><th scop=
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Memory<a class=3D"technote microcontent" rel=3D"technotes:graphics-and-syst=
em-memory" href=3D"http://www.dell.com/mc.ashx?id=3Dtechnotes:graphics-and-=
system-memory&amp;c=3Dus&amp;l=3Den&amp;s=3Dbsd&amp;modalwidth=3D400&amp;mo=
dalHeight=3D150&amp;ovropac=3D0&amp;modalscroll=3Dyes&amp;modaltarget=3Ddiv=
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le=3D"margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;vertical-align:baseline;background-=
color:transparent;font-size:0.769em!important;color:rgb(153,153,153)">2</su=
p></a></th>
<td style=3D"font-size:0.91666em;vertical-align:top;color:rgb(51,51,51);pad=
ding-bottom:6px">32GB<a class=3D"technote microcontent" rel=3D"technotes:gr=
aphics-and-system-memory" href=3D"http://www.dell.com/mc.ashx?id=3Dtechnote=
s:graphics-and-system-memory&amp;c=3Dus&amp;l=3Den&amp;s=3Dbsd&amp;modalwid=
th=3D400&amp;modalHeight=3D150&amp;ovropac=3D0&amp;modalscroll=3Dyes&amp;mo=
daltarget=3Ddiv&amp;modaltype=3Dtooltip&amp;position=3Dbottom&amp;title=3DI=
mportant%20Details&amp;flip=3Dfalse&amp;eventType=3Drollover" name=3D"modal=
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em;color:rgb(0,102,153);text-decoration:none;background-repeat:initial init=
ial"><sup style=3D"margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;vertical-align:baselin=
e;background-color:transparent;font-size:0.769em!important;font-weight:700;=
color:rgb(153,153,153)">2</sup></a>=A0DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz</td>
</tr><tr><th scope=3D"col" style=3D"margin:0px;padding:0px 20px 6px 0px;bor=
der:0px;vertical-align:top;background-color:transparent;font-size:0.91666em=
;text-align:right;white-space:nowrap;color:rgb(51,51,51);width:110px">Hard =
Drive</th>
<td style=3D"font-size:0.91666em;vertical-align:top;color:rgb(51,51,51);pad=
ding-bottom:6px">512GB (SATA3) Mobility Solid State Drive</td></tr><tr><th =
scope=3D"col" style=3D"margin:0px;padding:0px 20px 6px 0px;border:0px;verti=
cal-align:top;background-color:transparent;font-size:0.91666em;text-align:r=
ight;white-space:nowrap;color:rgb(51,51,51);width:110px">
Optical Drive</th><td style=3D"font-size:0.91666em;vertical-align:top;color=
:rgb(51,51,51);padding-bottom:6px">8X DVD+/-RW Slot Load w/Roxio and Cyberl=
ink PowerDVD=99, no media</td></tr><tr><th scope=3D"col" style=3D"margin:0p=
x;padding:0px 20px 6px 0px;border:0px;vertical-align:top;background-color:t=
ransparent;font-size:0.91666em;text-align:right;white-space:nowrap;color:rg=
b(51,51,51);width:110px">
Video Card</th><td style=3D"font-size:0.91666em;vertical-align:top;color:rg=
b(51,51,51);padding-bottom:6px">NVIDIA=AE Quadro=AE 5010M with 4GB GDDR5</t=
d></tr><tr><th scope=3D"col" style=3D"margin:0px;padding:0px 20px 6px 0px;b=
order:0px;vertical-align:top;background-color:transparent;font-size:0.91666=
em;text-align:right;white-space:nowrap;color:rgb(51,51,51);width:110px">
<br></th><td style=3D"font-size:0.91666em;vertical-align:top;color:rgb(51,5=
1,51);padding-bottom:6px"><br></td></tr></tbody></table>You can even get 3 =
hard drives in it - the price approaches $10K if you get the largest SSD dr=
ives - sounds silly, but for someone using many large sample libraries, it =
might be worth it. =A0Hurray for manufacturers who let their customers deci=
de what they need!</div>
<div><br></div><div>=A0 =A0 ...Tim...</div></div>

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That sounds like a seriously potent machine. I might go look at the price, =
just to scare myself. :-)=20


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Memory 2 =0932GB 2 DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz=20
Hard Drive =09512GB (SATA3) Mobility Solid State Drive=20
Optical Drive =098X DVD+/-RW Slot Load w/Roxio and Cyberlink PowerDVD=E2=84=
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ds like a seriously potent machine.&nbsp; I might go look at the price, jus=
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ding-bottom:6px">Intel=C2=AE Core=E2=84=A2 i7-2960XM (Extreme Quad Core 2.7=
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t;white-space:nowrap;color:rgb(51,51,51);width:110px">
Memory<a class=3D"technote microcontent" rel=3D"technotes:graphics-and-syst=
em-memory" href=3D"http://www.dell.com/mc.ashx?id=3Dtechnotes:graphics-and-=
system-memory&amp;c=3Dus&amp;l=3Den&amp;s=3Dbsd&amp;modalwidth=3D400&amp;mo=
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<td style=3D"font-size:0.91666em;vertical-align:top;color:rgb(51,51,51);pad=
ding-bottom:6px">32GB<a class=3D"technote microcontent" rel=3D"technotes:gr=
aphics-and-system-memory" href=3D"http://www.dell.com/mc.ashx?id=3Dtechnote=
s:graphics-and-system-memory&amp;c=3Dus&amp;l=3Den&amp;s=3Dbsd&amp;modalwid=
th=3D400&amp;modalHeight=3D150&amp;ovropac=3D0&amp;modalscroll=3Dyes&amp;mo=
daltarget=3Ddiv&amp;modaltype=3Dtooltip&amp;position=3Dbottom&amp;title=3DI=
mportant%20Details&amp;flip=3Dfalse&amp;eventType=3Drollover" name=3D"modal=
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ical-align:baseline;background-color:transparent;font-size:0.769em!importan=
t;font-weight:700;color:rgb(153,153,153)">2</sup></a>&nbsp;DDR3 SDRAM at 13=
33MHz</td>
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Man, there's=A0 a lot of excellent TG albums: Optical Race, Logos, Underwat=
er Sunlight, Le Parc, Live in Poland, Stratosphere, Sorcerer, et al are all=
 very good albums. =0A=A0=0AI was lucky to (by chance) be in San Francisco =
around 1993 or so and TG was playing in Berkeley with Andy Summers (he just=
 released his first excellent solo New Agey album). TG put on an incredible=
 show then! They were originators in their time.=0A=A0=0APaul=0A=0A=0A_____=
___________________________=0AFrom: Matt Davignon <mattdavignon@gmail.com>=
=0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 =
1:23 PM=0ASubject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream=0A=0AI was just thinking this mo=
rning about how Morton Subotnick (of=0A"Silver Apples of the Moon" fame, an=
 early synthesizer record) still=0Amanages to compose music that is fascina=
ting without remaining stuck=0Ain an era. Yet some other composers (Aphex T=
win, Klaus Schulze, etc)=0Abecame less interesting after a certain number o=
f years. With the=0Alatter, the pattern I notice is that in later years the=
y tried to=0Aadjust their music to match what's popular at the moment, whic=
h of=0Acourse puts them in a field with a lot of competition.=0A=0AI'm not =
too knowledgeable about Tangerine Dream's later music, but my=0Aimpression =
from hearing a few samples is that they tailored some of=0Atheir music to a=
 general audience (seeking soundtrack & commercial=0Awork) instead of a spe=
cialized audience (with the space music). At the=0Asame time, they updated =
their technology from large bulky synths with=0Aa lot of personality to mor=
e modern midi instrumentation (which in the=0A80s and 90s sounded rather st=
erile).=0A=0AOn a related note, my radio show/podcast last week was a Space=
 theme=0Aagain: http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com/=0A=0A-- =0AMatt Davignon=
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light.com=0A> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 6:22:40 PM=0A>=0A> Subject: Re: OT=
: Tangerine Dream=0A>=0A> So, what did you think? I'd love to hear Tangerin=
e Dream do stuff like=0A> they did in the 70s and early 80s. Not so excited=
 about the idea of=0A> them playing their late 80s, 90s and 00s stuff. They=
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 often for=0A> bands that are way past their heyday.=0A>=0A> You'd think wi=
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auto"><SPAN style=3D"RIGHT: auto">Man, there's&nbsp; a lot of excellent TG =
albums: Optical Race, Logos, Underwater Sunlight, Le Parc, Live in Poland, =
Stratosphere, Sorcerer, et al are all very good albums. </SPAN></div>
<div style=3D"RIGHT: auto">&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"RIGHT: auto">I was lucky to (by chance) be in San Francisco a=
round 1993 or so and TG was playing in Berkeley with Andy Summers (he just =
released his first excellent solo New Agey album). TG put on an incredible =
show then! They were originators in their time.<VAR id=3Dyui-ie-cursor></VA=
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=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com <=
BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, July 10, =
2012 1:23 PM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re=
: OT: Tangerine Dream<BR></FONT></DIV><BR>I was just thinking this morning =
about how Morton Subotnick (of<BR>"Silver Apples of the Moon" fame, an earl=
y synthesizer record) still<BR>manages to compose music that is fascinating=
 without remaining stuck<BR>in an era. Yet some other composers (Aphex Twin=
, Klaus
 Schulze, etc)<BR>became less interesting after a certain number of years. =
With the<BR>latter, the pattern I notice is that in later years they tried =
to<BR>adjust their music to match what's popular at the moment, which of<BR=
>course puts them in a field with a lot of competition.<BR><BR>I'm not too =
knowledgeable about Tangerine Dream's later music, but my<BR>impression fro=
m hearing a few samples is that they tailored some of<BR>their music to a g=
eneral audience (seeking soundtrack &amp; commercial<BR>work) instead of a =
specialized audience (with the space music). At the<BR>same time, they upda=
ted their technology from large bulky synths with<BR>a lot of personality t=
o more modern midi instrumentation (which in the<BR>80s and 90s sounded rat=
her sterile).<BR><BR>On a related note, my radio show/podcast last week was=
 a Space theme<BR>again: http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com/<BR><BR>-- <BR>M=
att Davignon<BR><A href=3D"mailto:mattdavignon@gmail.com"
 ymailto=3D"mailto:mattdavignon@gmail.com">mattdavignon@gmail.com</A><BR><A=
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Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Christophe &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:cburke55@com=
cast.net" ymailto=3D"mailto:cburke55@comcast.net">cburke55@comcast.net</A>&=
gt; wrote:<BR>&gt; Hi Matt,<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; I'm a huge fan of the band thro=
ughout their career, but of course with a<BR>&gt; career 40+ years long the=
re are periods I love (the 70's<BR>&gt; Froese-Franke-Baumann era)&nbsp; an=
d some not so much (the Melrose period).<BR>&gt; Unfortunately, the 70's er=
a with those wonderful Moog sequences was not<BR>&gt; represented very much=
.&nbsp; The sound and material was in line with what they've<BR>&gt; been d=
oing in recent years, and if you listen to any of the live recordings<BR>&g=
t; they've done over the past few (Zeitgeist, London Eye, etc.) you've
 pretty<BR>&gt; much got the picture.&nbsp; Two 90 minute sets, mostly medl=
eys, with parts<BR>&gt; representative of different phases of the bands mat=
erial scattered<BR>&gt; throughout.&nbsp; One unexpected treat was a versio=
n of the Doors, "The Crystal<BR>&gt; Ship", with a vocal by Thorsten Quesch=
ning.&nbsp; Bernard Biebl on guitar was<BR>&gt; good but&nbsp; maybe a bit =
too restrained.&nbsp; Iris Camaa on percussion was<BR>&gt; definitely the m=
ost animated of the group and she added a lot of energy to<BR>&gt; the perf=
ormance.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; But alas, no long space odysseys. :-(<BR>&gt;<BR>&=
gt; TD is a mature band (extremely!) so you really don't see a lot of evolu=
tion<BR>&gt; in the sound in recent years, but that said they put on a tota=
lly satisfying<BR>&gt; show.&nbsp; Definitely gave you your moneys worth fo=
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_______________________<BR>&gt; From: "Matt Davignon" &lt;<A
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t;<BR>&gt; So, what did you think? I'd love to hear Tangerine Dream do stuf=
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idea of<BR>&gt; them playing their late 80s, 90s and 00s stuff. They are pl=
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n town, I'd<BR>&gt; certainly go to see them. However, wine country gigs ar=
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ou'd think with all the hip bands that sound like Tangerine Dream now<BR>&g=
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This is a blast down memory lane!

I saw Morton Subotnik in a tiny lecture hall at the University of =
Maryland in 1968 I think it was.  Fabulous!  Maybe forty folks there.
Then saw Tangerine Dream in (I'm guessing) around 1975.  Was encouraged =
to go by the folks in Happy The Man - still one of my most fave =
progressive bands. =20
If I remember correctly, TG had these HUGE racks of computers.  Like =
towers maybe 8 or 9 feet tall.  They could have been props.=20
-----
It's encouraging to hear, Matt, that Morton Subotnick is still being =
creative.  Very cool. I'll have to check it out. =20

richard sales
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On Jul 10, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Matt Davignon wrote:

> I was just thinking this morning about how Morton Subotnick (of
> "Silver Apples of the Moon" fame, an early synthesizer record) still
> manages to compose music that is fascinating without remaining stuck
> in an era. Yet some other composers (Aphex Twin, Klaus Schulze, etc)
> became less interesting after a certain number of years. With the
> latter, the pattern I notice is that in later years they tried to
> adjust their music to match what's popular at the moment, which of
> course puts them in a field with a lot of competition.
>=20
> I'm not too knowledgeable about Tangerine Dream's later music, but my
> impression from hearing a few samples is that they tailored some of
> their music to a general audience (seeking soundtrack & commercial
> work) instead of a specialized audience (with the space music). At the
> same time, they updated their technology from large bulky synths with
> a lot of personality to more modern midi instrumentation (which in the
> 80s and 90s sounded rather sterile).
>=20
> On a related note, my radio show/podcast last week was a Space theme
> again: http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com/
>=20
> --=20
> Matt Davignon
> mattdavignon@gmail.com
> www.ribosomemusic.com
> Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
>=20
>=20
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Christophe <cburke55@comcast.net> =
wrote:
>> Hi Matt,
>>=20
>> I'm a huge fan of the band throughout their career, but of course =
with a
>> career 40+ years long there are periods I love (the 70's
>> Froese-Franke-Baumann era)  and some not so much (the Melrose =
period).
>> Unfortunately, the 70's era with those wonderful Moog sequences was =
not
>> represented very much.  The sound and material was in line with what =
they've
>> been doing in recent years, and if you listen to any of the live =
recordings
>> they've done over the past few (Zeitgeist, London Eye, etc.) you've =
pretty
>> much got the picture.  Two 90 minute sets, mostly medleys, with parts
>> representative of different phases of the bands material scattered
>> throughout.  One unexpected treat was a version of the Doors, "The =
Crystal
>> Ship", with a vocal by Thorsten Queschning.  Bernard Biebl on guitar =
was
>> good but  maybe a bit too restrained.  Iris Camaa on percussion was
>> definitely the most animated of the group and she added a lot of =
energy to
>> the performance.
>>=20
>> But alas, no long space odysseys. :-(
>>=20
>> TD is a mature band (extremely!) so you really don't see a lot of =
evolution
>> in the sound in recent years, but that said they put on a totally =
satisfying
>> show.  Definitely gave you your moneys worth for $46 for a front row =
seat!
>>=20
>> Chris
>>=20
>> ________________________________
>> From: "Matt Davignon" <mattdavignon@gmail.com>
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 6:22:40 PM
>>=20
>> Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream
>>=20
>> So, what did you think? I'd love to hear Tangerine Dream do stuff =
like
>> they did in the 70s and early 80s. Not so excited about the idea of
>> them playing their late 80s, 90s and 00s stuff. They are playing in
>> Napa, California this friday. Tickets are $40. If it was in town, I'd
>> certainly go to see them. However, wine country gigs are often for
>> bands that are way past their heyday.
>>=20
>> You'd think with all the hip bands that sound like Tangerine Dream =
now
>> (such as Oneohtrix Point Never), that they could do well in a San
>> Francisco or Oakland venue....
>>=20
>> Matt
>>=20
>>=20
>=20


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<br><div><div>On Jul 10, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Matt Davignon =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>I was just thinking this morning about how Morton =
Subotnick (of<br>"Silver Apples of the Moon" fame, an early synthesizer =
record) still<br>manages to compose music that is fascinating without =
remaining stuck<br>in an era. Yet some other composers (Aphex Twin, =
Klaus Schulze, etc)<br>became less interesting after a certain number of =
years. With the<br>latter, the pattern I notice is that in later years =
they tried to<br>adjust their music to match what's popular at the =
moment, which of<br>course puts them in a field with a lot of =
competition.<br><br>I'm not too knowledgeable about Tangerine Dream's =
later music, but my<br>impression from hearing a few samples is that =
they tailored some of<br>their music to a general audience (seeking =
soundtrack &amp; commercial<br>work) instead of a specialized audience =
(with the space music). At the<br>same time, they updated their =
technology from large bulky synths with<br>a lot of personality to more =
modern midi instrumentation (which in the<br>80s and 90s sounded rather =
sterile).<br><br>On a related note, my radio show/podcast last week was =
a Space theme<br>again: <a =
href=3D"http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com/">http://ribosomematt.podomatic.=
com/</a><br><br>-- <br>Matt Davignon<br><a =
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6:53 AM, Christophe &lt;cburke55@comcast.net&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Hi Matt,<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">I'm a huge fan =
of the band throughout their career, but of course with =
a<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">career 40+ years long there =
are periods I love (the 70's<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Froese-Franke-Baumann era) &nbsp;and some not so much (the =
Melrose period).<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Unfortunately, =
the 70's era with those wonderful Moog sequences was =
not<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">represented very much. =
&nbsp;The sound and material was in line with what =
they've<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">been doing in recent =
years, and if you listen to any of the live =
recordings<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">they've done over =
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&nbsp;Two 90 minute sets, mostly medleys, with =
parts<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">representative of =
different phases of the bands material =
scattered<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">throughout. =
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evolution<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">in the sound in =
recent years, but that said they put on a totally =
satisfying<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">show. =
&nbsp;Definitely gave you your moneys worth for $46 for a front row =
seat!<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Chris<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite">From: "Matt Davignon" =
&lt;mattdavignon@gmail.com&gt;<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">To: =
Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 6:22:40 =
PM<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine =
Dream<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">So, what did =
you think? I'd love to hear Tangerine Dream do stuff =
like<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">they did in the 70s and =
early 80s. Not so excited about the idea of<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">them playing their late 80s, 90s and 00s stuff. They are =
playing in<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Napa, California =
this friday. Tickets are $40. If it was in town, =
I'd<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">certainly go to see them. =
However, wine country gigs are often for<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">bands that are way past their =
heyday.<br></blockquote><blockquote =
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with all the hip bands that sound like Tangerine Dream =
now<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">(such as Oneohtrix Point =
Never), that they could do well in a San<br></blockquote><blockquote =
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Hi there -

I've used an Akai Headrush E2 for a couple of years for basic live looping,
but I'm looking to change my live setup in ways that the Akai can't
support...

I've pored over all of the specs of the various pedals out there and my
head is spinning.  Would anyone be willing to give their suggestion for
what would be best for the following:

- Background: I'm a singer/songwriter who primarily uses just an acoustic
guitar as accompaniment (for now).

- My biggest need: I want to be able to create drum loops prior to my shows
to use as backup, so I can then access different pre-recorded loops easily
(sometimes 2 or 3 different loops within a song) and turn each one on and
off easily.  I will also be doing some on-the-fly vocal looping that I will
need to be able to store and turn on and off as well.  Optimally, I want to
do all of this using just foot switches.

I was looking at the Digitech Jamman Stereo or the Delay, but I don't know
if either one will absolutely do what I need, or if there is one that is
better suited for that?

If not, I am also open to getting an Ipad and going the software route, or
setting up my Macbook Pro as well...

Thanks so much for any suggestions anyone has for me!

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<p class=3D"p1">Hi there -</p>
<p class=3D"p1">I&#39;ve used an Akai Headrush E2 for a couple of years for=
 basic live looping, but I&#39;m looking to change my live setup in ways th=
at the Akai can&#39;t support...</p>
<p class=3D"p1">I&#39;ve pored over all of the specs of the various pedals =
out there and my head is spinning. =A0Would anyone be willing to give their=
 suggestion for what would be best for the following:</p>
<p class=3D"p1">- Background: I&#39;m a singer/songwriter who primarily use=
s just an acoustic guitar as accompaniment (for now).</p>
<p class=3D"p1">- My biggest need: I want to be able to create drum loops p=
rior to my shows to use as backup, so I can then access different pre-recor=
ded loops easily (sometimes 2 or 3 different loops within a song) and turn =
each one on and off easily. =A0I will also be doing some on-the-fly vocal l=
ooping that I will need to be able to store and turn on and off as well. =
=A0Optimally, I want to do all of this using just foot switches.</p>

<p class=3D"p2">I was looking at the Digitech Jamman Stereo or the Delay, b=
ut I don&#39;t know if either one will absolutely do what I need, or if the=
re is one that is better suited for that?</p>
<p class=3D"p1">If not, I am also open to getting an Ipad and going the sof=
tware route, or setting up my Macbook Pro as well...</p>
<p class=3D"p1">Thanks so much for any suggestions anyone has for me!</p>

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Hi Siobahn,
My advice is: set up your macbook pro and go for Mobius software.
Based on the EDP architecture it has 8 stereo looping tracks (that you can e=
asily mute and trigger on the fly) plus many many useful options (track and M=
IDI configurations and scripts, to name a few).



Il giorno 11/lug/2012, alle ore 18:00, Siobahn Hotaling <boing187@gmail.com>=
 ha scritto:

> Hi there -
>=20
> I've used an Akai Headrush E2 for a couple of years for basic live looping=
, but I'm looking to change my live setup in ways that the Akai can't suppor=
t...
>=20
> I've pored over all of the specs of the various pedals out there and my he=
ad is spinning.  Would anyone be willing to give their suggestion for what w=
ould be best for the following:
>=20
> - Background: I'm a singer/songwriter who primarily uses just an acoustic g=
uitar as accompaniment (for now).
>=20
> - My biggest need: I want to be able to create drum loops prior to my show=
s to use as backup, so I can then access different pre-recorded loops easily=
 (sometimes 2 or 3 different loops within a song) and turn each one on and o=
ff easily.  I will also be doing some on-the-fly vocal looping that I will n=
eed to be able to store and turn on and off as well.  Optimally, I want to d=
o all of this using just foot switches.
>=20
> I was looking at the Digitech Jamman Stereo or the Delay, but I don't know=
 if either one will absolutely do what I need, or if there is one that is be=
tter suited for that?
>=20
> If not, I am also open to getting an Ipad and going the software route, or=
 setting up my Macbook Pro as well...
>=20
> Thanks so much for any suggestions anyone has for me!

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<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Hi Siobahn,</div><div>My advice is: set up your macbook pro and g<span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">o for Mobius software.</span></div><div>Based on the EDP architecture it has 8 stereo looping tracks (that you can easily mute and trigger on the fly) plus many many useful options (track and MIDI configurations and scripts, to name a few).</div><div><br><br></div><div><br>Il giorno 11/lug/2012, alle ore 18:00, Siobahn Hotaling &lt;<a href="mailto:boing187@gmail.com">boing187@gmail.com</a>&gt; ha scritto:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>







<p class="p1">Hi there -</p>
<p class="p1">I've used an Akai Headrush E2 for a couple of years for basic live looping, but I'm looking to change my live setup in ways that the Akai can't support...</p>
<p class="p1">I've pored over all of the specs of the various pedals out there and my head is spinning. &nbsp;Would anyone be willing to give their suggestion for what would be best for the following:</p>
<p class="p1">- Background: I'm a singer/songwriter who primarily uses just an acoustic guitar as accompaniment (for now).</p>
<p class="p1">- My biggest need: I want to be able to create drum loops prior to my shows to use as backup, so I can then access different pre-recorded loops easily (sometimes 2 or 3 different loops within a song) and turn each one on and off easily. &nbsp;I will also be doing some on-the-fly vocal looping that I will need to be able to store and turn on and off as well. &nbsp;Optimally, I want to do all of this using just foot switches.</p>

<p class="p2">I was looking at the Digitech Jamman Stereo or the Delay, but I don't know if either one will absolutely do what I need, or if there is one that is better suited for that?</p>
<p class="p1">If not, I am also open to getting an Ipad and going the software route, or setting up my Macbook Pro as well...</p>
<p class="p1">Thanks so much for any suggestions anyone has for me!</p>
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On Jul 11, 2012, at 8:33 AM, richard sales wrote:

> 1975. If I remember correctly, TG had these HUGE racks of  
> computers.  Like towers maybe 8 or 9 feet tall.  They could have  
> been props.

Those were their early Moog (and?) modular synths and not computers.  
They also certainly were not "props". :-) But, just the thought of
being able to experience numerous large Moog modular synths live and  
LOUD makes me swoon with delight!

And, LUCKY YOU that you got to see / hear them in THAT era!  The  
earliest and only time I ever got to experience TD live was in the
*very early* 80s (1982? 83?), but it was still very kool and it was a  
FREE show and OUTDOORS at an amphitheater!  But, as I recall,
there were not many of those modulars still being used, if any, but I  
could be wrong. This was many years ago, so...:-)

Andy Summers (The Police) opened for them, but he seemed to be having  
a "bad day" judging from his "attitude" on stage.
But, at least he still played well enough. It was a pleasant late  
afternoon in Dallas TX of all places.
(But I got the hell out of that city over 20 years ago and migrated  
to the wonderful PNW!)

> -----
> It's encouraging to hear, Matt, that Morton Subotnick is still  
> being creative.  Very cool. I'll have to check it out.

Good news, indeed!

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>
>> I was just thinking this morning about how Morton Subotnick (of
>> "Silver Apples of the Moon" fame, an early synthesizer record) still
>> manages to compose music that is fascinating without remaining stuck
>> in an era. Yet some other composers (Aphex Twin, Klaus Schulze, etc)
>> became less interesting after a certain number of years. With the
>> latter, the pattern I notice is that in later years they tried to
>> adjust their music to match what's popular at the moment, which of
>> course puts them in a field with a lot of competition.
>>
>> I'm not too knowledgeable about Tangerine Dream's later music, but my
>> impression from hearing a few samples is that they tailored some of
>> their music to a general audience (seeking soundtrack & commercial
>> work) instead of a specialized audience (with the space music). At  
>> the
>> same time, they updated their technology from large bulky synths with
>> a lot of personality to more modern midi instrumentation (which in  
>> the
>> 80s and 90s sounded rather sterile).
>>
>> On a related note, my radio show/podcast last week was a Space theme
>> again: http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com/
>>
>> -- 
>> Matt Davignon
>> mattdavignon@gmail.com
>> www.ribosomemusic.com
>> Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Christophe <cburke55@comcast.net>  
>> wrote:
>>> Hi Matt,
>>>
>>> I'm a huge fan of the band throughout their career, but of course  
>>> with a
>>> career 40+ years long there are periods I love (the 70's
>>> Froese-Franke-Baumann era)  and some not so much (the Melrose  
>>> period).
>>> Unfortunately, the 70's era with those wonderful Moog sequences  
>>> was not
>>> represented very much.  The sound and material was in line with  
>>> what they've
>>> been doing in recent years, and if you listen to any of the live  
>>> recordings
>>> they've done over the past few (Zeitgeist, London Eye, etc.)  
>>> you've pretty
>>> much got the picture.  Two 90 minute sets, mostly medleys, with  
>>> parts
>>> representative of different phases of the bands material scattered
>>> throughout.  One unexpected treat was a version of the Doors,  
>>> "The Crystal
>>> Ship", with a vocal by Thorsten Queschning.  Bernard Biebl on  
>>> guitar was
>>> good but  maybe a bit too restrained.  Iris Camaa on percussion was
>>> definitely the most animated of the group and she added a lot of  
>>> energy to
>>> the performance.
>>>
>>> But alas, no long space odysseys. :-(
>>>
>>> TD is a mature band (extremely!) so you really don't see a lot of  
>>> evolution
>>> in the sound in recent years, but that said they put on a totally  
>>> satisfying
>>> show.  Definitely gave you your moneys worth for $46 for a front  
>>> row seat!
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: "Matt Davignon" <mattdavignon@gmail.com>
>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 6:22:40 PM
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream
>>>
>>> So, what did you think? I'd love to hear Tangerine Dream do stuff  
>>> like
>>> they did in the 70s and early 80s. Not so excited about the idea of
>>> them playing their late 80s, 90s and 00s stuff. They are playing in
>>> Napa, California this friday. Tickets are $40. If it was in town,  
>>> I'd
>>> certainly go to see them. However, wine country gigs are often for
>>> bands that are way past their heyday.
>>>
>>> You'd think with all the hip bands that sound like Tangerine  
>>> Dream now
>>> (such as Oneohtrix Point Never), that they could do well in a San
>>> Francisco or Oakland venue....
>>>
>>> Matt
>>>
>>>
>>
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type=3D"cite"><div><div>1975. If I remember correctly, TG had these HUGE =
racks of computers. &nbsp;Like towers maybe 8 or 9 feet tall. &nbsp;They =
could have been =
props.&nbsp;</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Those were their =
early Moog (and?) modular synths and not computers. They also certainly =
were not "props". :-) But, just the thought of</div><div>being able to =
experience numerous large Moog modular synths live and LOUD makes me =
swoon with delight!</div><div><br></div><div>And, LUCKY YOU that you got =
to see / hear them in THAT era! &nbsp;The earliest and only time I ever =
got to experience TD live was in the&nbsp;</div><div>*very early* 80s =
(1982? 83?),&nbsp;but it was still very kool and it was a FREE show and =
OUTDOORS at an amphitheater! &nbsp;But, as I recall,</div><div>there =
were not many of those modulars still being used, if any, but I could be =
wrong. This was many years ago, so...:-)</div><div><br></div><div>Andy =
Summers (The Police) opened for them, but he seemed to&nbsp;be having a =
"bad day"&nbsp;judging from his "attitude" on =
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enough.&nbsp;It was a pleasant late afternoon in Dallas TX of all =
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years ago and migrated to the wonderful =
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remaining stuck<br>in an era. Yet some other composers (Aphex Twin, =
Klaus Schulze, etc)<br>became less interesting after a certain number of =
years. With the<br>latter, the pattern I notice is that in later years =
they tried to<br>adjust their music to match what's popular at the =
moment, which of<br>course puts them in a field with a lot of =
competition.<br><br>I'm not too knowledgeable about Tangerine Dream's =
later music, but my<br>impression from hearing a few samples is that =
they tailored some of<br>their music to a general audience (seeking =
soundtrack &amp; commercial<br>work) instead of a specialized audience =
(with the space music). At the<br>same time, they updated their =
technology from large bulky synths with<br>a lot of personality to more =
modern midi instrumentation (which in the<br>80s and 90s sounded rather =
sterile).<br><br>On a related note, my radio show/podcast last week was =
a Space theme<br>again: <a =
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com/</a><br><br>-- <br>Matt Davignon<br><a =
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ibosomemusic.com<br>Podcast! <a =
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om</a><br><br><br>On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Christophe &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:cburke55@comcast.net">cburke55@comcast.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br><blockquote type=3D"cite">Hi Matt,<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">I'm a huge fan =
of the band throughout their career, but of course with =
a<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">career 40+ years long there =
are periods I love (the 70's<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Froese-Franke-Baumann era) &nbsp;and some not so much (the =
Melrose period).<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Unfortunately, =
the 70's era with those wonderful Moog sequences was =
not<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">represented very much. =
&nbsp;The sound and material was in line with what =
they've<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">been doing in recent =
years, and if you listen to any of the live =
recordings<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">they've done over =
the past few (Zeitgeist, London Eye, etc.) you've =
pretty<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">much got the picture. =
&nbsp;Two 90 minute sets, mostly medleys, with =
parts<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">representative of =
different phases of the bands material =
scattered<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">throughout. =
&nbsp;One unexpected treat was a version of the Doors, "The =
Crystal<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Ship", with a vocal by =
Thorsten Queschning. &nbsp;Bernard Biebl on guitar =
was<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">good but &nbsp;maybe a bit =
too restrained. &nbsp;Iris Camaa on percussion =
was<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">definitely the most =
animated of the group and she added a lot of energy =
to<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">the =
performance.<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">But alas, no =
long space odysseys. :-(<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">TD is a mature =
band (extremely!) so you really don't see a lot of =
evolution<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">in the sound in =
recent years, but that said they put on a totally =
satisfying<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">show. =
&nbsp;Definitely gave you your moneys worth for $46 for a front row =
seat!<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Chris<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite">From: "Matt Davignon" &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:mattdavignon@gmail.com">mattdavignon@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br><=
/blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@looper=
s-delight.com</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Sent: =
Monday, July 9, 2012 6:22:40 PM<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Subject: Re: =
OT: Tangerine Dream<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">So, what did =
you think? I'd love to hear Tangerine Dream do stuff =
like<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">they did in the 70s and =
early 80s. Not so excited about the idea of<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">them playing their late 80s, 90s and 00s stuff. They are =
playing in<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Napa, California =
this friday. Tickets are $40. If it was in town, =
I'd<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">certainly go to see them. =
However, wine country gigs are often for<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">bands that are way past their =
heyday.<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">You'd think =
with all the hip bands that sound like Tangerine Dream =
now<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">(such as Oneohtrix Point =
Never), that they could do well in a San<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Francisco or Oakland venue....<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Matt<br></blockquote><blockquote =
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I saw them on the 10th of November 1976. I was so looking forward to seeing=
 them but absolutely hated the gig - maybe just an off day... What a pity!
Peace
g

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

From: revfever@ubergadget.com
Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream
Date: Wed=2C 11 Jul 2012 11:22:43 -0700
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

On Jul 11=2C 2012=2C at 8:33 AM=2C richard sales wrote:1975. If I remember =
correctly=2C TG had these HUGE racks of computers.  Like towers maybe 8 or =
9 feet tall.  They could have been props.=20
Those were their early Moog (and?) modular synths and not computers. They a=
lso certainly were not "props". :-) But=2C just the thought ofbeing able to=
 experience numerous large Moog modular synths live and LOUD makes me swoon=
 with delight!
And=2C LUCKY YOU that you got to see / hear them in THAT era!  The earliest=
 and only time I ever got to experience TD live was in the *very early* 80s=
 (1982? 83?)=2C but it was still very kool and it was a FREE show and OUTDO=
ORS at an amphitheater!  But=2C as I recall=2Cthere were not many of those =
modulars still being used=2C if any=2C but I could be wrong. This was many =
years ago=2C so...:-)
Andy Summers (The Police) opened for them=2C but he seemed to be having a "=
bad day" judging from his "attitude" on stage. But=2C at least he still pla=
yed well enough. It was a pleasant late afternoon in Dallas TX of all place=
s. (But I got the hell out of that city over 20 years ago and migrated to t=
he wonderful PNW!)
-----It's encouraging to hear=2C Matt=2C that Morton Subotnick is still bei=
ng creative.  Very cool. I'll have to check it out. =20
Good news=2C indeed!=20

Cheers-Rev.FeverPortlandiahttp://www.spiritone.com/~rvfeverhttp://www.cdbab=
y.com/cd/elemental1http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2http://www.cdbaby.com=
/cd/skult

I was just thinking this morning about how Morton Subotnick (of
"Silver Apples of the Moon" fame=2C an early synthesizer record) still
manages to compose music that is fascinating without remaining stuck
in an era. Yet some other composers (Aphex Twin=2C Klaus Schulze=2C etc)
became less interesting after a certain number of years. With the
latter=2C the pattern I notice is that in later years they tried to
adjust their music to match what's popular at the moment=2C which of
course puts them in a field with a lot of competition.

I'm not too knowledgeable about Tangerine Dream's later music=2C but my
impression from hearing a few samples is that they tailored some of
their music to a general audience (seeking soundtrack & commercial
work) instead of a specialized audience (with the space music). At the
same time=2C they updated their technology from large bulky synths with
a lot of personality to more modern midi instrumentation (which in the
80s and 90s sounded rather sterile).

On a related note=2C my radio show/podcast last week was a Space theme
again: http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com/

--=20
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusic.com
Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com


On Tue=2C Jul 10=2C 2012 at 6:53 AM=2C Christophe <cburke55@comcast.net> wr=
ote:
Hi Matt=2C

I'm a huge fan of the band throughout their career=2C but of course with a
career 40+ years long there are periods I love (the 70's
Froese-Franke-Baumann era)  and some not so much (the Melrose period).
Unfortunately=2C the 70's era with those wonderful Moog sequences was not
represented very much.  The sound and material was in line with what they'v=
e
been doing in recent years=2C and if you listen to any of the live recordin=
gs
they've done over the past few (Zeitgeist=2C London Eye=2C etc.) you've pre=
tty
much got the picture.  Two 90 minute sets=2C mostly medleys=2C with parts
representative of different phases of the bands material scattered
throughout.  One unexpected treat was a version of the Doors=2C "The Crysta=
l
Ship"=2C with a vocal by Thorsten Queschning.  Bernard Biebl on guitar was
good but  maybe a bit too restrained.  Iris Camaa on percussion was
definitely the most animated of the group and she added a lot of energy to
the performance.

But alas=2C no long space odysseys. :-(

TD is a mature band (extremely!) so you really don't see a lot of evolution
in the sound in recent years=2C but that said they put on a totally satisfy=
ing
show.  Definitely gave you your moneys worth for $46 for a front row seat!

Chris

________________________________
From: "Matt Davignon" <mattdavignon@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Monday=2C July 9=2C 2012 6:22:40 PM

Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream

So=2C what did you think? I'd love to hear Tangerine Dream do stuff like
they did in the 70s and early 80s. Not so excited about the idea of
them playing their late 80s=2C 90s and 00s stuff. They are playing in
Napa=2C California this friday. Tickets are $40. If it was in town=2C I'd
certainly go to see them. However=2C wine country gigs are often for
bands that are way past their heyday.

You'd think with all the hip bands that sound like Tangerine Dream now
(such as Oneohtrix Point Never)=2C that they could do well in a San
Francisco or Oakland venue....

Matt





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iv><br></div><div>g<br><div><br>Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: <a href=3D=
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=2C 11 Jul 2012 11:22:43 -0700<br>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<b=
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</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Those were their early Moog (and?) =
modular synths and not computers. They also certainly were not "props". :-)=
 But=2C just the thought of</div><div>being able to experience numerous lar=
ge Moog modular synths live and LOUD makes me swoon with delight!</div><div=
><br></div><div>And=2C LUCKY YOU that you got to see / hear them in THAT er=
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in the&nbsp=3B</div><div>*very early* 80s (1982? 83?)=2C&nbsp=3Bbut it was =
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sp=3BBut=2C as I recall=2C</div><div>there were not many of those modulars =
still being used=2C if any=2C but I could be wrong. This was many years ago=
=2C so...:-)</div><div><br></div><div>Andy Summers (The Police) opened for =
them=2C but he seemed to&nbsp=3Bbe having a "bad day"&nbsp=3Bjudging from h=
is "attitude" on stage.&nbsp=3B</div><div>But=2C at least he still played w=
ell enough.&nbsp=3BIt was a pleasant late afternoon in Dallas TX of all pla=
ces.&nbsp=3B</div><div>(But I got the hell out of that city over 20 years a=
go and migrated to the wonderful PNW!)</div><div><br></div><div><blockquote=
><div><div>-----</div><div>It's encouraging to hear=2C Matt=2C that Morton =
Subotnick is still being creative. &nbsp=3BVery cool. I'll have to check it=
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nbsp=3B<br><div><br></div><div><div>Cheers-</div><div><div style=3D"margin-=
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0px=3Bmargin-left:0px"><a href=3D"http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1" targ=
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pan></div><div><blockquote><div>I was just thinking this morning about how =
Morton Subotnick (of<br>"Silver Apples of the Moon" fame=2C an early synthe=
sizer record) still<br>manages to compose music that is fascinating without=
 remaining stuck<br>in an era. Yet some other composers (Aphex Twin=2C Klau=
s Schulze=2C etc)<br>became less interesting after a certain number of year=
s. With the<br>latter=2C the pattern I notice is that in later years they t=
ried to<br>adjust their music to match what's popular at the moment=2C whic=
h of<br>course puts them in a field with a lot of competition.<br><br>I'm n=
ot too knowledgeable about Tangerine Dream's later music=2C but my<br>impre=
ssion from hearing a few samples is that they tailored some of<br>their mus=
ic to a general audience (seeking soundtrack &amp=3B commercial<br>work) in=
stead of a specialized audience (with the space music). At the<br>same time=
=2C they updated their technology from large bulky synths with<br>a lot of =
personality to more modern midi instrumentation (which in the<br>80s and 90=
s sounded rather sterile).<br><br>On a related note=2C my radio show/podcas=
t last week was a Space theme<br>again: <a href=3D"http://ribosomematt.podo=
matic.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com/</a><br><br=
>-- <br>Matt Davignon<br><a href=3D"mailto:mattdavignon@gmail.com">mattdavi=
gnon@gmail.com</a><br>www.ribosomemusic.com<br>Podcast! <a href=3D"http://r=
ibosomematt.podomatic.com" target=3D"_blank">http://ribosomematt.podomatic.=
com</a><br><br><br>On Tue=2C Jul 10=2C 2012 at 6:53 AM=2C Christophe &lt=3B=
<a href=3D"mailto:cburke55@comcast.net">cburke55@comcast.net</a>&gt=3B wrot=
e:<br><blockquote>Hi Matt=2C<br></blockquote><blockquote><br></blockquote><=
blockquote>I'm a huge fan of the band throughout their career=2C but of cou=
rse with a<br></blockquote><blockquote>career 40+ years long there are peri=
ods I love (the 70's<br></blockquote><blockquote>Froese-Franke-Baumann era)=
 &nbsp=3Band some not so much (the Melrose period).<br></blockquote><blockq=
uote>Unfortunately=2C the 70's era with those wonderful Moog sequences was =
not<br></blockquote><blockquote>represented very much. &nbsp=3BThe sound an=
d material was in line with what they've<br></blockquote><blockquote>been d=
oing in recent years=2C and if you listen to any of the live recordings<br>=
</blockquote><blockquote>they've done over the past few (Zeitgeist=2C Londo=
n Eye=2C etc.) you've pretty<br></blockquote><blockquote>much got the pictu=
re. &nbsp=3BTwo 90 minute sets=2C mostly medleys=2C with parts<br></blockqu=
ote><blockquote>representative of different phases of the bands material sc=
attered<br></blockquote><blockquote>throughout. &nbsp=3BOne unexpected trea=
t was a version of the Doors=2C "The Crystal<br></blockquote><blockquote>Sh=
ip"=2C with a vocal by Thorsten Queschning. &nbsp=3BBernard Biebl on guitar=
 was<br></blockquote><blockquote>good but &nbsp=3Bmaybe a bit too restraine=
d. &nbsp=3BIris Camaa on percussion was<br></blockquote><blockquote>definit=
ely the most animated of the group and she added a lot of energy to<br></bl=
ockquote><blockquote>the performance.<br></blockquote><blockquote><br></blo=
ckquote><blockquote>But alas=2C no long space odysseys. :-(<br></blockquote=
><blockquote><br></blockquote><blockquote>TD is a mature band (extremely!) =
so you really don't see a lot of evolution<br></blockquote><blockquote>in t=
he sound in recent years=2C but that said they put on a totally satisfying<=
br></blockquote><blockquote>show. &nbsp=3BDefinitely gave you your moneys w=
orth for $46 for a front row seat!<br></blockquote><blockquote><br></blockq=
uote><blockquote>Chris<br></blockquote><blockquote><br></blockquote><blockq=
uote>________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote>From: "Ma=
tt Davignon" &lt=3B<a href=3D"mailto:mattdavignon@gmail.com">mattdavignon@g=
mail.com</a>&gt=3B<br></blockquote><blockquote>To: <a href=3D"mailto:Looper=
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/blockquote><blockquote>Sent: Monday=2C July 9=2C 2012 6:22:40 PM<br></bloc=
kquote><blockquote><br></blockquote><blockquote>Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine =
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id you think? I'd love to hear Tangerine Dream do stuff like<br></blockquot=
e><blockquote>they did in the 70s and early 80s. Not so excited about the i=
dea of<br></blockquote><blockquote>them playing their late 80s=2C 90s and 0=
0s stuff. They are playing in<br></blockquote><blockquote>Napa=2C Californi=
a this friday. Tickets are $40. If it was in town=2C I'd<br></blockquote><b=
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for<br></blockquote><blockquote>bands that are way past their heyday.<br></=
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e hip bands that sound like Tangerine Dream now<br></blockquote><blockquote=
>(such as Oneohtrix Point Never)=2C that they could do well in a San<br></b=
lockquote><blockquote>Francisco or Oakland venue....<br></blockquote><block=
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I dont think that Mobius alone will do it for you Siobahn, as you have this
pre-recorded loops thing...
It might be that in software, Abelton Live might be the best option, if
rather like hitting a nut with a sledgehammer. Weirdly, your requirements,
although totally obvious and sensible for a VAST amount of singer
songwriters, are oddly absent from most loopers.
If you find that the internal looper of Live is not good enough, it
probably is for verse chorus kind of stuff, THEN you can always plug in
Mobius and use that for your looping. But this is all gonna be alot of
setting up and fiddling...

I CERTAINLY concur with Fabio, that if you have a MBP, well theres nothing
to stop you d/ling Mobius right now and giving it a go.. go on! what are
you waiting for!!

If I was you, however,  I would investigate the possibility of using 2 bits
of hardware, maybe a drum machine for the beats synched to the looper that
most fits your needs. I can recommend the Korg Electribe ESX1 for
drum-machine, its kind of a sampler too, so you can use "real drum" loops
as well if you like... a bunch of instruments and effects... a tad too
techno and dance right out of the box, but you don't have to program it
like that...
As for looper, well you probably know yourself better than me, Boss rc50???
the new Vox one? The Boomerang? Im not sure which is best for songs...

good luck

Mark


On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 7:56 PM, F_Anile <eterogenus@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Siobahn,
> My advice is: set up your macbook pro and go for Mobius software.
> Based on the EDP architecture it has 8 stereo looping tracks (that you can
> easily mute and trigger on the fly) plus many many useful options (track
> and MIDI configurations and scripts, to name a few).
>
>
>
> Il giorno 11/lug/2012, alle ore 18:00, Siobahn Hotaling <
> boing187@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>  Hi there -
>
> I've used an Akai Headrush E2 for a couple of years for basic live
> looping, but I'm looking to change my live setup in ways that the Akai
> can't support...
>
> I've pored over all of the specs of the various pedals out there and my
> head is spinning.  Would anyone be willing to give their suggestion for
> what would be best for the following:
>
> - Background: I'm a singer/songwriter who primarily uses just an acoustic
> guitar as accompaniment (for now).
>
> - My biggest need: I want to be able to create drum loops prior to my
> shows to use as backup, so I can then access different pre-recorded loops
> easily (sometimes 2 or 3 different loops within a song) and turn each one
> on and off easily.  I will also be doing some on-the-fly vocal looping that
> I will need to be able to store and turn on and off as well.  Optimally, I
> want to do all of this using just foot switches.
>
> I was looking at the Digitech Jamman Stereo or the Delay, but I don't know
> if either one will absolutely do what I need, or if there is one that is
> better suited for that?
>
> If not, I am also open to getting an Ipad and going the software route, or
> setting up my Macbook Pro as well...
>
> Thanks so much for any suggestions anyone has for me!
>
>


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I dont think that Mobius alone will do it for you Siobahn, as you have this=
 pre-recorded loops thing... <br>It might be that in software, Abelton Live=
 might be the best option, if rather like hitting a nut with a sledgehammer=
. Weirdly, your requirements, although totally obvious and sensible for a V=
AST amount of singer songwriters, are oddly absent from most loopers. <br>

If you find that the internal looper of Live is not good enough, it probabl=
y is for verse chorus kind of stuff, THEN you can always plug in Mobius and=
 use that for your looping. But this is all gonna be alot of setting up and=
 fiddling...<br>

<br>I CERTAINLY concur with Fabio, that if you have a MBP, well theres noth=
ing to stop you d/ling Mobius right now and giving it a go.. go on! what ar=
e you waiting for!!<br> <br>If I was you, however,=A0 I would investigate t=
he possibility of using 2 bits of hardware, maybe a drum machine for the be=
ats synched to the looper that most fits your needs. I can recommend the Ko=
rg Electribe ESX1 for drum-machine, its kind of a sampler too, so you can u=
se &quot;real drum&quot; loops as well if you like... a bunch of instrument=
s and effects... a tad too techno and dance right out of the box, but you d=
on&#39;t have to program it like that...<br>

As for looper, well you probably know yourself better than me, Boss rc50???=
 the new Vox one? The Boomerang? Im not sure which is best for songs...<br>=
<br>good luck<br><br>Mark<br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul=
 11, 2012 at 7:56 PM, F_Anile <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:etero=
genus@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">eterogenus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrot=
e:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>Hi Siobahn,</d=
iv><div>My advice is: set up your macbook pro and g<span>o for Mobius softw=
are.</span></div>

<div>Based on the EDP architecture it has 8 stereo looping tracks (that you=
 can easily mute and trigger on the fly) plus many many useful options (tra=
ck and MIDI configurations and scripts, to name a few).</div><div><br>
<br>
</div><div><br>Il giorno 11/lug/2012, alle ore 18:00, Siobahn Hotaling &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:boing187@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">boing187@gmail.com<=
/a>&gt; ha scritto:<br><br></div><div><div class=3D"h5"><div></div><blockqu=
ote type=3D"cite">

<div>







<p>Hi there -</p>
<p>I&#39;ve used an Akai Headrush E2 for a couple of years for basic live l=
ooping, but I&#39;m looking to change my live setup in ways that the Akai c=
an&#39;t support...</p>
<p>I&#39;ve pored over all of the specs of the various pedals out there and=
 my head is spinning. =A0Would anyone be willing to give their suggestion f=
or what would be best for the following:</p>
<p>- Background: I&#39;m a singer/songwriter who primarily uses just an aco=
ustic guitar as accompaniment (for now).</p>
<p>- My biggest need: I want to be able to create drum loops prior to my sh=
ows to use as backup, so I can then access different pre-recorded loops eas=
ily (sometimes 2 or 3 different loops within a song) and turn each one on a=
nd off easily. =A0I will also be doing some on-the-fly vocal looping that I=
 will need to be able to store and turn on and off as well. =A0Optimally, I=
 want to do all of this using just foot switches.</p>



<p>I was looking at the Digitech Jamman Stereo or the Delay, but I don&#39;=
t know if either one will absolutely do what I need, or if there is one tha=
t is better suited for that?</p>
<p>If not, I am also open to getting an Ipad and going the software route, =
or setting up my Macbook Pro as well...</p>
<p>Thanks so much for any suggestions anyone has for me!</p>
</div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"al=
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I think Randolf Arriola does a fair amount of song-structured stuff very
successfully, currently he uses a Boomerang, and  think in the past he used
one of the big Boss Loopstation products... may want look into his stuff
(check YouTube) and maybe inquire with him?

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 1:52 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>wrote:

> I dont think that Mobius alone will do it for you Siobahn, as you have
> this pre-recorded loops thing...
> It might be that in software, Abelton Live might be the best option, if
> rather like hitting a nut with a sledgehammer. Weirdly, your requirements,
> although totally obvious and sensible for a VAST amount of singer
> songwriters, are oddly absent from most loopers.
> If you find that the internal looper of Live is not good enough, it
> probably is for verse chorus kind of stuff, THEN you can always plug in
> Mobius and use that for your looping. But this is all gonna be alot of
> setting up and fiddling...
>
> I CERTAINLY concur with Fabio, that if you have a MBP, well theres nothing
> to stop you d/ling Mobius right now and giving it a go.. go on! what are
> you waiting for!!
>
> If I was you, however,  I would investigate the possibility of using 2
> bits of hardware, maybe a drum machine for the beats synched to the looper
> that most fits your needs. I can recommend the Korg Electribe ESX1 for
> drum-machine, its kind of a sampler too, so you can use "real drum" loops
> as well if you like... a bunch of instruments and effects... a tad too
> techno and dance right out of the box, but you don't have to program it
> like that...
> As for looper, well you probably know yourself better than me, Boss
> rc50??? the new Vox one? The Boomerang? Im not sure which is best for
> songs...
>
> good luck
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 7:56 PM, F_Anile <eterogenus@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Siobahn,
>> My advice is: set up your macbook pro and go for Mobius software.
>> Based on the EDP architecture it has 8 stereo looping tracks (that you
>> can easily mute and trigger on the fly) plus many many useful options
>> (track and MIDI configurations and scripts, to name a few).
>>
>>
>>
>> Il giorno 11/lug/2012, alle ore 18:00, Siobahn Hotaling <
>> boing187@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>
>>  Hi there -
>>
>> I've used an Akai Headrush E2 for a couple of years for basic live
>> looping, but I'm looking to change my live setup in ways that the Akai
>> can't support...
>>
>> I've pored over all of the specs of the various pedals out there and my
>> head is spinning.  Would anyone be willing to give their suggestion for
>> what would be best for the following:
>>
>> - Background: I'm a singer/songwriter who primarily uses just an acoustic
>> guitar as accompaniment (for now).
>>
>> - My biggest need: I want to be able to create drum loops prior to my
>> shows to use as backup, so I can then access different pre-recorded loops
>> easily (sometimes 2 or 3 different loops within a song) and turn each one
>> on and off easily.  I will also be doing some on-the-fly vocal looping that
>> I will need to be able to store and turn on and off as well.  Optimally, I
>> want to do all of this using just foot switches.
>>
>> I was looking at the Digitech Jamman Stereo or the Delay, but I don't
>> know if either one will absolutely do what I need, or if there is one that
>> is better suited for that?
>>
>> If not, I am also open to getting an Ipad and going the software route,
>> or setting up my Macbook Pro as well...
>>
>> Thanks so much for any suggestions anyone has for me!
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Mark Francombe*
> www.markfrancombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao.com
> http://vimeo.com/user825094
> http://www.looop.no
> twitter @markfrancombe
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
>
>

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I think Randolf Arriola does a fair amount of song-structured stuff very su=
ccessfully, currently he uses a Boomerang, and =A0think in the past he used=
 one of the big Boss Loopstation products... may want look into his stuff (=
check YouTube) and maybe inquire with him?<br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 1:52 PM, mark franco=
mbe <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mark@markfrancombe.com" target=
=3D"_blank">mark@markfrancombe.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pa=
dding-left:1ex">
I dont think that Mobius alone will do it for you Siobahn, as you have this=
 pre-recorded loops thing... <br>It might be that in software, Abelton Live=
 might be the best option, if rather like hitting a nut with a sledgehammer=
. Weirdly, your requirements, although totally obvious and sensible for a V=
AST amount of singer songwriters, are oddly absent from most loopers. <br>


If you find that the internal looper of Live is not good enough, it probabl=
y is for verse chorus kind of stuff, THEN you can always plug in Mobius and=
 use that for your looping. But this is all gonna be alot of setting up and=
 fiddling...<br>


<br>I CERTAINLY concur with Fabio, that if you have a MBP, well theres noth=
ing to stop you d/ling Mobius right now and giving it a go.. go on! what ar=
e you waiting for!!<br> <br>If I was you, however,=A0 I would investigate t=
he possibility of using 2 bits of hardware, maybe a drum machine for the be=
ats synched to the looper that most fits your needs. I can recommend the Ko=
rg Electribe ESX1 for drum-machine, its kind of a sampler too, so you can u=
se &quot;real drum&quot; loops as well if you like... a bunch of instrument=
s and effects... a tad too techno and dance right out of the box, but you d=
on&#39;t have to program it like that...<br>


As for looper, well you probably know yourself better than me, Boss rc50???=
 the new Vox one? The Boomerang? Im not sure which is best for songs...<br>=
<br>good luck<br><br>Mark<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br><br><b=
r>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 7:56 PM, F_Anile <span d=
ir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eterogenus@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">et=
erogenus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>Hi Siobahn,</d=
iv><div>My advice is: set up your macbook pro and g<span>o for Mobius softw=
are.</span></div>


<div>Based on the EDP architecture it has 8 stereo looping tracks (that you=
 can easily mute and trigger on the fly) plus many many useful options (tra=
ck and MIDI configurations and scripts, to name a few).</div><div><br>

<br>
</div><div><br>Il giorno 11/lug/2012, alle ore 18:00, Siobahn Hotaling &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:boing187@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">boing187@gmail.com<=
/a>&gt; ha scritto:<br><br></div><div><div><div></div><blockquote type=3D"c=
ite">


<div>







<p>Hi there -</p>
<p>I&#39;ve used an Akai Headrush E2 for a couple of years for basic live l=
ooping, but I&#39;m looking to change my live setup in ways that the Akai c=
an&#39;t support...</p>
<p>I&#39;ve pored over all of the specs of the various pedals out there and=
 my head is spinning. =A0Would anyone be willing to give their suggestion f=
or what would be best for the following:</p>
<p>- Background: I&#39;m a singer/songwriter who primarily uses just an aco=
ustic guitar as accompaniment (for now).</p>
<p>- My biggest need: I want to be able to create drum loops prior to my sh=
ows to use as backup, so I can then access different pre-recorded loops eas=
ily (sometimes 2 or 3 different loops within a song) and turn each one on a=
nd off easily. =A0I will also be doing some on-the-fly vocal looping that I=
 will need to be able to store and turn on and off as well. =A0Optimally, I=
 want to do all of this using just foot switches.</p>




<p>I was looking at the Digitech Jamman Stereo or the Delay, but I don&#39;=
t know if either one will absolutely do what I need, or if there is one tha=
t is better suited for that?</p>
<p>If not, I am also open to getting an Ipad and going the software route, =
or setting up my Macbook Pro as well...</p>
<p>Thanks so much for any suggestions anyone has for me!</p>
</div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"al=
l"><br></div></div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">-- <br><i=
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Mobius can do pre-recorded loops.  Whether this is easy or not is debatable=
, but basically you would start by using the File->Load Loop menu item to l=
oad loops into one or more tracks.  Then use File->Save Project to save the=
 whole thing as a project so you don't have to repeat loading the individua=
l files.  Then when you're ready to perform use File->Load Project to bring=
 them all back, or use a script to load the project and bind that to a foot=
switch.

Now set up footswitches to trigger the loops wherever they are.

Jeff


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I dont think that Mobius alone will do it for you Siobahn, as you have this=
 pre-recorded loops thing...
It might be that in software, Abelton Live might be the best option, if rat=
her like hitting a nut with a sledgehammer. Weirdly, your requirements, alt=
hough totally obvious and sensible for a VAST amount of singer songwriters,=
 are oddly absent from most loopers.
If you find that the internal looper of Live is not good enough, it probabl=
y is for verse chorus kind of stuff, THEN you can always plug in Mobius and=
 use that for your looping. But this is all gonna be alot of setting up and=
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 this pre-recorded loops thing...
<br>
It might be that in software, Abelton Live might be the best option, if rat=
her like hitting a nut with a sledgehammer. Weirdly, your requirements, alt=
hough totally obvious and sensible for a VAST amount of singer songwriters,=
 are oddly absent from most loopers.
<br>
If you find that the internal looper of Live is not good enough, it probabl=
y is for verse chorus kind of stuff, THEN you can always plug in Mobius and=
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On 7/11/12 10:56 AM, F_Anile wrote:
> Hi Siobahn,
> My advice is: set up your macbook pro and go for Mobius software.
> Based on the EDP architecture it has 8 stereo looping tracks (that you 
> can easily mute and trigger on the fly) plus many many useful options 
> (track and MIDI configurations and scripts, to name a few).
This is good advice but because I don't use Mobius, I have a question 
about it's efficacy for Siobahn's specific
needs  and a bit of additional advice (all with great respect to Fabio,  
who knows what he's talking about).

Fabio, will Mobius save  pre-recorded loops (like drum loops) that you 
load in and play live as Siobahn mentioned?
I wasn't aware that it had that capability but you know it and I don't.

Also, it should probably be good to mention that Siobahn may have to do 
a clean install of the Macbook Pro to install
Mobius as, to my knowldege, one can only run it on a Windows Operating 
System and not Mac OSX.   That hasn't
changed has it?

When I looked into it last,  you actually have to do a clean install in 
order to set up a dual boot system on a Macbook Pro.

You will also need dedicated Midi pedals ($150 USD on upwards) and a 
dedicated break out box with a sound card that also has Midi I/O      
($100 upwards to $1500) to control Mobius which, itself, is free.

Another possible solution that is not as sophisticated but is also a lot 
less complicated. The next iteration
of the Looperlative LP-2 Mini looper (which had a very, very rocky start 
but which finally  in it's final beta testing stage)  will have storage 
of 8 loops on an SD card (so one can bring multiple SD cards to a 
performance and load in 8 songs at a time, virtually instantaneously for 
mono playback only.  It has the footprint of a DL-4 by line 6 
(essentially two normal sized stomp boxes),  runs on 6 AA batteries or 
regular walwart  AC and has a slew of other features (which have been 
iterated on this forum too many times already).  It's street price is 
$300 USD.

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And I saw them sometime early 80s in Portsmouth Guildhall.. INCREDIBLE
show!!! Loved every second, and my main memory was that there was a break,
during which a few "technicians" in white coats were on stage with torches
and charts, meticulously changing settings on all the sequencers and
settings on the huge racks of synths... fantastic!
...shame they turned out so shit in the end...

Mark

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Gareth Whittock
<buddhamachine@live.co.uk>wrote:

>  I saw them on the 10th of November 1976. I was so looking forward to
> seeing them but absolutely hated the gig - maybe just an off day... What a
> pity!
>
> Peace
>
> g
>
> Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk
>
> ------------------------------
> From: revfever@ubergadget.com
>
> Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream
> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 11:22:43 -0700
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>
>
> On Jul 11, 2012, at 8:33 AM, richard sales wrote:
>
> 1975. If I remember correctly, TG had these HUGE racks of computers.  Like
> towers maybe 8 or 9 feet tall.  They could have been props.
>
>
> Those were their early Moog (and?) modular synths and not computers. They
> also certainly were not "props". :-) But, just the thought of
> being able to experience numerous large Moog modular synths live and LOUD
> makes me swoon with delight!
>
> And, LUCKY YOU that you got to see / hear them in THAT era!  The earliest
> and only time I ever got to experience TD live was in the
> *very early* 80s (1982? 83?), but it was still very kool and it was a FREE
> show and OUTDOORS at an amphitheater!  But, as I recall,
> there were not many of those modulars still being used, if any, but I
> could be wrong. This was many years ago, so...:-)
>
> Andy Summers (The Police) opened for them, but he seemed to be having a
> "bad day" judging from his "attitude" on stage.
> But, at least he still played well enough. It was a pleasant late
> afternoon in Dallas TX of all places.
> (But I got the hell out of that city over 20 years ago and migrated to the
> wonderful PNW!)
>
> -----
> It's encouraging to hear, Matt, that Morton Subotnick is still being
> creative.  Very cool. I'll have to check it out.
>
>
> Good news, indeed!
>
> Cheers-
> Rev.Fever
> Portlandia
> http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever
> http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1
> http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2
> http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult
>
>
> I was just thinking this morning about how Morton Subotnick (of
> "Silver Apples of the Moon" fame, an early synthesizer record) still
> manages to compose music that is fascinating without remaining stuck
> in an era. Yet some other composers (Aphex Twin, Klaus Schulze, etc)
> became less interesting after a certain number of years. With the
> latter, the pattern I notice is that in later years they tried to
> adjust their music to match what's popular at the moment, which of
> course puts them in a field with a lot of competition.
>
> I'm not too knowledgeable about Tangerine Dream's later music, but my
> impression from hearing a few samples is that they tailored some of
> their music to a general audience (seeking soundtrack & commercial
> work) instead of a specialized audience (with the space music). At the
> same time, they updated their technology from large bulky synths with
> a lot of personality to more modern midi instrumentation (which in the
> 80s and 90s sounded rather sterile).
>
> On a related note, my radio show/podcast last week was a Space theme
> again: http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com/
>
> --
> Matt Davignon
> mattdavignon@gmail.com
> www.ribosomemusic.com
> Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Christophe <cburke55@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Matt,
>
>
> I'm a huge fan of the band throughout their career, but of course with a
>
> career 40+ years long there are periods I love (the 70's
>
> Froese-Franke-Baumann era)  and some not so much (the Melrose period).
>
> Unfortunately, the 70's era with those wonderful Moog sequences was not
>
> represented very much.  The sound and material was in line with what
> they've
>
> been doing in recent years, and if you listen to any of the live recordings
>
> they've done over the past few (Zeitgeist, London Eye, etc.) you've pretty
>
> much got the picture.  Two 90 minute sets, mostly medleys, with parts
>
> representative of different phases of the bands material scattered
>
> throughout.  One unexpected treat was a version of the Doors, "The Crystal
>
> Ship", with a vocal by Thorsten Queschning.  Bernard Biebl on guitar was
>
> good but  maybe a bit too restrained.  Iris Camaa on percussion was
>
> definitely the most animated of the group and she added a lot of energy to
>
> the performance.
>
>
> But alas, no long space odysseys. :-(
>
>
> TD is a mature band (extremely!) so you really don't see a lot of evolution
>
> in the sound in recent years, but that said they put on a totally
> satisfying
>
> show.  Definitely gave you your moneys worth for $46 for a front row seat!
>
>
> Chris
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: "Matt Davignon" <mattdavignon@gmail.com>
>
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>
> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 6:22:40 PM
>
>
> Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream
>
>
> So, what did you think? I'd love to hear Tangerine Dream do stuff like
>
> they did in the 70s and early 80s. Not so excited about the idea of
>
> them playing their late 80s, 90s and 00s stuff. They are playing in
>
> Napa, California this friday. Tickets are $40. If it was in town, I'd
>
> certainly go to see them. However, wine country gigs are often for
>
> bands that are way past their heyday.
>
>
> You'd think with all the hip bands that sound like Tangerine Dream now
>
> (such as Oneohtrix Point Never), that they could do well in a San
>
> Francisco or Oakland venue....
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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And I saw them sometime early 80s in Portsmouth Guildhall.. INCREDIBLE show=
!!! Loved every second, and my main memory was that there was a break, duri=
ng which a few &quot;technicians&quot; in white coats were on stage with to=
rches and charts, meticulously changing settings on all the sequencers and =
settings on the huge racks of synths... fantastic!<br>

...shame they turned out so shit in the end...<br><br>Mark<br><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Gareth Whittock <span di=
r=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:buddhamachine@live.co.uk" target=3D"_blank"=
>buddhamachine@live.co.uk</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">


<div><div dir=3D"ltr">
I saw them o<span style=3D"font-size:10pt">n the 10th of November 1976. I w=
as so looking forward to seeing them but absolutely hated the gig - maybe j=
ust an off day... What a pity!</span><div><br></div><div>Peace</div><div>

<br></div><div>g<br><div><br>Gareth Whittock, sound artist: <a href=3D"http=
://garethwhittock.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">garethwhittock.co.uk</a><br><br>=
<div><div></div><hr>From: <a href=3D"mailto:revfever@ubergadget.com" target=
=3D"_blank">revfever@ubergadget.com</a><div class=3D"im">

<br>Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream<br></div>Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 11:22:=
43 -0700<br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a><div><div class=3D"h5"=
>
<br>
<br><div><div>On Jul 11, 2012, at 8:33 AM, richard sales wrote:</div><br><b=
lockquote><div><div>1975. If I remember correctly, TG had these HUGE racks =
of computers. =A0Like towers maybe 8 or 9 feet tall. =A0They could have bee=
n props.=A0</div>

</div></blockquote><div><br></div>Those were their early Moog (and?) modula=
r synths and not computers. They also certainly were not &quot;props&quot;.=
 :-) But, just the thought of</div><div>being able to experience numerous l=
arge Moog modular synths live and LOUD makes me swoon with delight!</div>

<div><br></div><div>And, LUCKY YOU that you got to see / hear them in THAT =
era! =A0The earliest and only time I ever got to experience TD live was in =
the=A0</div><div>*very early* 80s (1982? 83?),=A0but it was still very kool=
 and it was a FREE show and OUTDOORS at an amphitheater! =A0But, as I recal=
l,</div>

<div>there were not many of those modulars still being used, if any, but I =
could be wrong. This was many years ago, so...:-)</div><div><br></div><div>=
Andy Summers (The Police) opened for them, but he seemed to=A0be having a &=
quot;bad day&quot;=A0judging from his &quot;attitude&quot; on stage.=A0</di=
v>

<div>But, at least he still played well enough.=A0It was a pleasant late af=
ternoon in Dallas TX of all places.=A0</div><div>(But I got the hell out of=
 that city over 20 years ago and migrated to the wonderful PNW!)</div><div>

<br></div><div><blockquote><div><div>-----</div><div>It&#39;s encouraging t=
o hear, Matt, that Morton Subotnick is still being creative. =A0Very cool. =
I&#39;ll have to check it out. =A0</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>
Good news, indeed!=A0<br>
<div><br></div><div><div>Cheers-</div><div><div style=3D"margin-right:0px;m=
argin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px">Rev.Fever</div><div style=3D"margin-right=
:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px">Portlandia</div><div style=3D"margi=
n-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px">

<a href=3D"http://www.spiritone.com/%7Ervfever" target=3D"_blank">http://ww=
w.spiritone.com/~rvfever</a></div><div style=3D"margin-right:0px;margin-bot=
tom:0px;margin-left:0px"><a href=3D"http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1</a></div>

<div style=3D"margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px"><a href=
=3D"http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2" target=3D"_blank">http://www.cdbab=
y.com/cd/elemental2</a></div><div style=3D"margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0=
px;margin-left:0px">

<a href=3D"http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult" target=3D"_blank">http://www.cdb=
aby.com/cd/skult</a></div><div><br></div></div></div><blockquote><div><div>=
<div><span style><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><span style=3D"text-in=
dent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-w=
eight:normal;line-height:normal;border-collapse:separate;text-transform:non=
e;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:Helvetica;word-spacing:0p=
x"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">

<span style=3D"text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;fo=
nt-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;border-collapse:separ=
ate;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:Hel=
vetica;word-spacing:0px"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">

<span style=3D"text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;fo=
nt-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;border-collapse:separ=
ate;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:Hel=
vetica;word-spacing:0px"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">

<span style=3D"text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;fo=
nt-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;border-collapse:separ=
ate;text-transform:none;font-size:18px;white-space:normal;font-family:Helve=
tica;word-spacing:0px"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">

<span style=3D"text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;fo=
nt-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;border-collapse:separ=
ate;text-transform:none;font-size:18px;white-space:normal;font-family:Helve=
tica;word-spacing:0px"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">

<font color=3D"#0000DD"><span style=3D"font-size:medium"><font color=3D"#00=
0000" size=3D"5"><span style=3D"font-size:18px"><br></span></font></span></=
font></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div=
></span></div>

<div><blockquote><div>I was just thinking this morning about how Morton Sub=
otnick (of<br>&quot;Silver Apples of the Moon&quot; fame, an early synthesi=
zer record) still<br>manages to compose music that is fascinating without r=
emaining stuck<br>

in an era. Yet some other composers (Aphex Twin, Klaus Schulze, etc)<br>bec=
ame less interesting after a certain number of years. With the<br>latter, t=
he pattern I notice is that in later years they tried to<br>adjust their mu=
sic to match what&#39;s popular at the moment, which of<br>

course puts them in a field with a lot of competition.<br><br>I&#39;m not t=
oo knowledgeable about Tangerine Dream&#39;s later music, but my<br>impress=
ion from hearing a few samples is that they tailored some of<br>their music=
 to a general audience (seeking soundtrack &amp; commercial<br>

work) instead of a specialized audience (with the space music). At the<br>s=
ame time, they updated their technology from large bulky synths with<br>a l=
ot of personality to more modern midi instrumentation (which in the<br>

80s and 90s sounded rather sterile).<br><br>On a related note, my radio sho=
w/podcast last week was a Space theme<br>again: <a href=3D"http://ribosomem=
att.podomatic.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com/</a=
><br>

<br>-- <br>Matt Davignon<br><a href=3D"mailto:mattdavignon@gmail.com" targe=
t=3D"_blank">mattdavignon@gmail.com</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.ribosomemu=
sic.com" target=3D"_blank">www.ribosomemusic.com</a><br>Podcast! <a href=3D=
"http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com" target=3D"_blank">http://ribosomematt.p=
odomatic.com</a><br>

<br><br>On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Christophe &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:c=
burke55@comcast.net" target=3D"_blank">cburke55@comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:<=
br><blockquote>Hi Matt,<br></blockquote><blockquote><br></blockquote><block=
quote>

I&#39;m a huge fan of the band throughout their career, but of course with =
a<br></blockquote><blockquote>career 40+ years long there are periods I lov=
e (the 70&#39;s<br></blockquote><blockquote>Froese-Franke-Baumann era) =A0a=
nd some not so much (the Melrose period).<br>

</blockquote><blockquote>Unfortunately, the 70&#39;s era with those wonderf=
ul Moog sequences was not<br></blockquote><blockquote>represented very much=
. =A0The sound and material was in line with what they&#39;ve<br></blockquo=
te>

<blockquote>been doing in recent years, and if you listen to any of the liv=
e recordings<br></blockquote><blockquote>they&#39;ve done over the past few=
 (Zeitgeist, London Eye, etc.) you&#39;ve pretty<br></blockquote><blockquot=
e>

much got the picture. =A0Two 90 minute sets, mostly medleys, with parts<br>=
</blockquote><blockquote>representative of different phases of the bands ma=
terial scattered<br></blockquote><blockquote>throughout. =A0One unexpected =
treat was a version of the Doors, &quot;The Crystal<br>

</blockquote><blockquote>Ship&quot;, with a vocal by Thorsten Queschning. =
=A0Bernard Biebl on guitar was<br></blockquote><blockquote>good but =A0mayb=
e a bit too restrained. =A0Iris Camaa on percussion was<br></blockquote><bl=
ockquote>

definitely the most animated of the group and she added a lot of energy to<=
br></blockquote><blockquote>the performance.<br></blockquote><blockquote><b=
r></blockquote><blockquote>But alas, no long space odysseys. :-(<br></block=
quote>

<blockquote><br></blockquote><blockquote>TD is a mature band (extremely!) s=
o you really don&#39;t see a lot of evolution<br></blockquote><blockquote>i=
n the sound in recent years, but that said they put on a totally satisfying=
<br>

</blockquote><blockquote>show. =A0Definitely gave you your moneys worth for=
 $46 for a front row seat!<br></blockquote><blockquote><br></blockquote><bl=
ockquote>Chris<br></blockquote><blockquote><br></blockquote><blockquote>
________________________________<br>
</blockquote><blockquote>From: &quot;Matt Davignon&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:mattdavignon@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mattdavignon@gmail.com</a>&gt=
;<br></blockquote><blockquote>To: <a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers=
-delight.com" target=3D"_blank">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a><br>

</blockquote><blockquote>Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 6:22:40 PM<br></blockqu=
ote><blockquote><br></blockquote><blockquote>Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dre=
am<br></blockquote><blockquote><br></blockquote><blockquote>So, what did yo=
u think? I&#39;d love to hear Tangerine Dream do stuff like<br>

</blockquote><blockquote>they did in the 70s and early 80s. Not so excited =
about the idea of<br></blockquote><blockquote>them playing their late 80s, =
90s and 00s stuff. They are playing in<br></blockquote><blockquote>Napa, Ca=
lifornia this friday. Tickets are $40. If it was in town, I&#39;d<br>

</blockquote><blockquote>certainly go to see them. However, wine country gi=
gs are often for<br></blockquote><blockquote>bands that are way past their =
heyday.<br></blockquote><blockquote><br></blockquote><blockquote>You&#39;d =
think with all the hip bands that sound like Tangerine Dream now<br>

</blockquote><blockquote>(such as Oneohtrix Point Never), that they could d=
o well in a San<br></blockquote><blockquote>Francisco or Oakland venue....<=
br></blockquote><blockquote><br></blockquote><blockquote>Matt<br></blockquo=
te>

<blockquote><br></blockquote><blockquote><br></blockquote><br></div></block=
quote></div><br></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></div>=
</div> 		 	   		  </div></div>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><i style=3D"font-family=
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Also, it should probably be good to mention that Siobahn may have to do a
> clean install of the Macbook Pro to install
> Mobius as, to my knowldege, one can only run it on a Windows Operating
> System and not Mac OSX.   That hasn't
> changed has it?
>
>
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em and not Mac OSX. =A0 That hasn&#39;t<br>
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Gareth,=20
Coulda' been 76 I saw them.  That sounds right. Thanks for the memory!
R
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On Jul 11, 2012, at 11:46 AM, Gareth Whittock wrote:

> I saw them on the 10th of November 1976. I was so looking forward to =
seeing them but absolutely hated the gig - maybe just an off day... What =
a pity!
>=20
> Peace
>=20
> g
>=20
> Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk
>=20
> From: revfever@ubergadget.com
> Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream
> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 11:22:43 -0700
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=20
> On Jul 11, 2012, at 8:33 AM, richard sales wrote:
>=20
> 1975. If I remember correctly, TG had these HUGE racks of computers.  =
Like towers maybe 8 or 9 feet tall.  They could have been props.=20
>=20
> Those were their early Moog (and?) modular synths and not computers. =
They also certainly were not "props". :-) But, just the thought of
> being able to experience numerous large Moog modular synths live and =
LOUD makes me swoon with delight!
>=20
> And, LUCKY YOU that you got to see / hear them in THAT era!  The =
earliest and only time I ever got to experience TD live was in the=20
> *very early* 80s (1982? 83?), but it was still very kool and it was a =
FREE show and OUTDOORS at an amphitheater!  But, as I recall,
> there were not many of those modulars still being used, if any, but I =
could be wrong. This was many years ago, so...:-)
>=20
> Andy Summers (The Police) opened for them, but he seemed to be having =
a "bad day" judging from his "attitude" on stage.=20
> But, at least he still played well enough. It was a pleasant late =
afternoon in Dallas TX of all places.=20
> (But I got the hell out of that city over 20 years ago and migrated to =
the wonderful PNW!)
>=20
> -----
> It's encouraging to hear, Matt, that Morton Subotnick is still being =
creative.  Very cool. I'll have to check it out. =20
>=20
> Good news, indeed!=20
>=20
> Cheers-
> Rev.Fever
> Portlandia
> http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever
> http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1
> http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2
> http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult
>=20
>=20
> I was just thinking this morning about how Morton Subotnick (of
> "Silver Apples of the Moon" fame, an early synthesizer record) still
> manages to compose music that is fascinating without remaining stuck
> in an era. Yet some other composers (Aphex Twin, Klaus Schulze, etc)
> became less interesting after a certain number of years. With the
> latter, the pattern I notice is that in later years they tried to
> adjust their music to match what's popular at the moment, which of
> course puts them in a field with a lot of competition.
>=20
> I'm not too knowledgeable about Tangerine Dream's later music, but my
> impression from hearing a few samples is that they tailored some of
> their music to a general audience (seeking soundtrack & commercial
> work) instead of a specialized audience (with the space music). At the
> same time, they updated their technology from large bulky synths with
> a lot of personality to more modern midi instrumentation (which in the
> 80s and 90s sounded rather sterile).
>=20
> On a related note, my radio show/podcast last week was a Space theme
> again: http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com/
>=20
> --=20
> Matt Davignon
> mattdavignon@gmail.com
> www.ribosomemusic.com
> Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
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> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Christophe <cburke55@comcast.net> =
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> Hi Matt,
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> I'm a huge fan of the band throughout their career, but of course with =
a
> career 40+ years long there are periods I love (the 70's
> Froese-Franke-Baumann era)  and some not so much (the Melrose period).
> Unfortunately, the 70's era with those wonderful Moog sequences was =
not
> represented very much.  The sound and material was in line with what =
they've
> been doing in recent years, and if you listen to any of the live =
recordings
> they've done over the past few (Zeitgeist, London Eye, etc.) you've =
pretty
> much got the picture.  Two 90 minute sets, mostly medleys, with parts
> representative of different phases of the bands material scattered
> throughout.  One unexpected treat was a version of the Doors, "The =
Crystal
> Ship", with a vocal by Thorsten Queschning.  Bernard Biebl on guitar =
was
> good but  maybe a bit too restrained.  Iris Camaa on percussion was
> definitely the most animated of the group and she added a lot of =
energy to
> the performance.
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> But alas, no long space odysseys. :-(
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> TD is a mature band (extremely!) so you really don't see a lot of =
evolution
> in the sound in recent years, but that said they put on a totally =
satisfying
> show.  Definitely gave you your moneys worth for $46 for a front row =
seat!
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> Chris
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> ________________________________
> From: "Matt Davignon" <mattdavignon@gmail.com>
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 6:22:40 PM
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> Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream
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> So, what did you think? I'd love to hear Tangerine Dream do stuff like
> they did in the 70s and early 80s. Not so excited about the idea of
> them playing their late 80s, 90s and 00s stuff. They are playing in
> Napa, California this friday. Tickets are $40. If it was in town, I'd
> certainly go to see them. However, wine country gigs are often for
> bands that are way past their heyday.
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> You'd think with all the hip bands that sound like Tangerine Dream now
> (such as Oneohtrix Point Never), that they could do well in a San
> Francisco or Oakland venue....
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> Matt
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<br><div><div>On Jul 11, 2012, at 11:46 AM, Gareth Whittock =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: =
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"><div dir=3D"ltr">I saw them o<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; ">n the =
10th of November 1976. I was so looking forward to seeing them but =
absolutely hated the gig - maybe just an off day... What a =
pity!</span><div><br></div><div>Peace</div><div><br></div><div>g<br><div><=
br>Gareth Whittock, sound artist:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"http://garethwhittock.co.uk" =
target=3D"_blank">garethwhittock.co.uk</a><br><br><div><div =
id=3D"SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div><hr id=3D"stopSpelling">From:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:revfever@ubergadget.com">revfever@ubergadget.com</a><br>Sub=
ject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream<br>Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 11:22:43 =
-0700<br>To:<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@looper=
s-delight.com</a><br><br><div><div>On Jul 11, 2012, at 8:33 AM, richard =
sales wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"ecxApple-interchange-newline"><blockquote><div><div>1975. If I =
remember correctly, TG had these HUGE racks of computers. &nbsp;Like =
towers maybe 8 or 9 feet tall. &nbsp;They could have been =
props.&nbsp;</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Those were their =
early Moog (and?) modular synths and not computers. They also certainly =
were not "props". :-) But, just the thought of</div><div>being able to =
experience numerous large Moog modular synths live and LOUD makes me =
swoon with delight!</div><div><br></div><div>And, LUCKY YOU that you got =
to see / hear them in THAT era! &nbsp;The earliest and only time I ever =
got to experience TD live was in the&nbsp;</div><div>*very early* 80s =
(1982? 83?),&nbsp;but it was still very kool and it was a FREE show and =
OUTDOORS at an amphitheater! &nbsp;But, as I recall,</div><div>there =
were not many of those modulars still being used, if any, but I could be =
wrong. This was many years ago, so...:-)</div><div><br></div><div>Andy =
Summers (The Police) opened for them, but he seemed to&nbsp;be having a =
"bad day"&nbsp;judging from his "attitude" on =
stage.&nbsp;</div><div>But, at least he still played well =
enough.&nbsp;It was a pleasant late afternoon in Dallas TX of all =
places.&nbsp;</div><div>(But I got the hell out of that city over 20 =
years ago and migrated to the wonderful =
PNW!)</div><div><br></div><div><blockquote><div><div>-----</div><div>It's =
encouraging to hear, Matt, that Morton Subotnick is still being =
creative. &nbsp;Very cool. I'll have to check it out. =
&nbsp;</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Good news, =
indeed!&nbsp;<br><div><br></div><div><div>Cheers-</div><div><div =
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/div></span></div></span></div></span></div><div><blockquote><div>I was =
just thinking this morning about how Morton Subotnick (of<br>"Silver =
Apples of the Moon" fame, an early synthesizer record) still<br>manages =
to compose music that is fascinating without remaining stuck<br>in an =
era. Yet some other composers (Aphex Twin, Klaus Schulze, etc)<br>became =
less interesting after a certain number of years. With the<br>latter, =
the pattern I notice is that in later years they tried to<br>adjust =
their music to match what's popular at the moment, which of<br>course =
puts them in a field with a lot of competition.<br><br>I'm not too =
knowledgeable about Tangerine Dream's later music, but my<br>impression =
from hearing a few samples is that they tailored some of<br>their music =
to a general audience (seeking soundtrack &amp; commercial<br>work) =
instead of a specialized audience (with the space music). At the<br>same =
time, they updated their technology from large bulky synths with<br>a =
lot of personality to more modern midi instrumentation (which in =
the<br>80s and 90s sounded rather sterile).<br><br>On a related note, my =
radio show/podcast last week was a Space theme<br>again:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com/</a><br><br>--<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br>Matt Davignon<br><a =
href=3D"mailto:mattdavignon@gmail.com">mattdavignon@gmail.com</a><br><a =
href=3D"http://www.ribosomemusic.com">www.ribosomemusic.com</a><br>Podcast=
!<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com" =
target=3D"_blank">http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com</a><br><br><br>On =
Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Christophe &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:cburke55@comcast.net">cburke55@comcast.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br><blockquote>Hi =
Matt,<br></blockquote><blockquote><br></blockquote><blockquote>I'm a =
huge fan of the band throughout their career, but of course with =
a<br></blockquote><blockquote>career 40+ years long there are periods I =
love (the 70's<br></blockquote><blockquote>Froese-Franke-Baumann era) =
&nbsp;and some not so much (the Melrose =
period).<br></blockquote><blockquote>Unfortunately, the 70's era with =
those wonderful Moog sequences was =
not<br></blockquote><blockquote>represented very much. &nbsp;The sound =
and material was in line with what =
they've<br></blockquote><blockquote>been doing in recent years, and if =
you listen to any of the live =
recordings<br></blockquote><blockquote>they've done over the past few =
(Zeitgeist, London Eye, etc.) you've =
pretty<br></blockquote><blockquote>much got the picture. &nbsp;Two 90 =
minute sets, mostly medleys, with =
parts<br></blockquote><blockquote>representative of different phases of =
the bands material scattered<br></blockquote><blockquote>throughout. =
&nbsp;One unexpected treat was a version of the Doors, "The =
Crystal<br></blockquote><blockquote>Ship", with a vocal by Thorsten =
Queschning. &nbsp;Bernard Biebl on guitar =
was<br></blockquote><blockquote>good but &nbsp;maybe a bit too =
restrained. &nbsp;Iris Camaa on percussion =
was<br></blockquote><blockquote>definitely the most animated of the =
group and she added a lot of energy to<br></blockquote><blockquote>the =
performance.<br></blockquote><blockquote><br></blockquote><blockquote>But =
alas, no long space odysseys. =
:-(<br></blockquote><blockquote><br></blockquote><blockquote>TD is a =
mature band (extremely!) so you really don't see a lot of =
evolution<br></blockquote><blockquote>in the sound in recent years, but =
that said they put on a totally =
satisfying<br></blockquote><blockquote>show. &nbsp;Definitely gave you =
your moneys worth for $46 for a front row =
seat!<br></blockquote><blockquote><br></blockquote><blockquote>Chris<br></=
blockquote><blockquote><br></blockquote><blockquote>______________________=
__________<br></blockquote><blockquote>From: "Matt Davignon" &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:mattdavignon@gmail.com">mattdavignon@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br><=
/blockquote><blockquote>To:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@looper=
s-delight.com</a><br></blockquote><blockquote>Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 =
6:22:40 =
PM<br></blockquote><blockquote><br></blockquote><blockquote>Subject: Re: =
OT: Tangerine =
Dream<br></blockquote><blockquote><br></blockquote><blockquote>So, what =
did you think? I'd love to hear Tangerine Dream do stuff =
like<br></blockquote><blockquote>they did in the 70s and early 80s. Not =
so excited about the idea of<br></blockquote><blockquote>them playing =
their late 80s, 90s and 00s stuff. They are playing =
in<br></blockquote><blockquote>Napa, California this friday. Tickets are =
$40. If it was in town, I'd<br></blockquote><blockquote>certainly go to =
see them. However, wine country gigs are often =
for<br></blockquote><blockquote>bands that are way past their =
heyday.<br></blockquote><blockquote><br></blockquote><blockquote>You'd =
think with all the hip bands that sound like Tangerine Dream =
now<br></blockquote><blockquote>(such as Oneohtrix Point Never), that =
they could do well in a San<br></blockquote><blockquote>Francisco or =
Oakland =
venue....<br></blockquote><blockquote><br></blockquote><blockquote>Matt<br=
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Tyler,
we are about to lounch the new version of livelooping.org
its not "blogger stuff"
maybe you can connect a wiki to expand it?
Bernhard started one years ago:
http://livelooping.wikispaces.com/

I think most musicians do not know the rules to type into the wiki
the team found the best is to gather information on the forum and =
transfer the essence to the site

do you really think wiki looks better than wordpress?

On 11 Jul 2012, at 6:25 PM, Tyler wrote:

> Hello! I have two years of experience in the field of wiki =
administration, and I'm wondering how many=20
> of you would want Loop Wiki; it would be an online encyclopedia by =
loopers for loopers. You see,=20
> on this website, mailing list posts become part of the reference-work =
when the owner of the site posts them.=20
> Well, Loop Wiki would be a place where if information needs updating, =
the looper would just log into an=20
> account, hit Edit, and change it, just like on Wikipedia. It's Web =
2.0, sonny! Of course, this=20
> mailing list would still be active for questions and news updates. But =
this website, you pretty much have=20
> to email an admin for a change in the "encyclopedia" of loop topics we =
have here. Well, what about=20
> Loop Wiki? Log in, click, edit, preview, save! We all do that, and =
create a more=20
> Wikipedia-like community. It would be better than that =
Wordpress-blogger stuff Livelooping is doing.
> Tyler Z
>=20


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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
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">Tyler,<div>we are about to lounch the new version of <a =
href=3D"http://livelooping.org">livelooping.org</a></div><div>its not =
"blogger stuff"</div><div>maybe you can connect a wiki to expand =
it?</div><div>Bernhard started one years ago:</div><div><a =
href=3D"http://livelooping.wikispaces.com/">http://livelooping.wikispaces.=
com/</a></div><div><br></div><div>I think most musicians do not know the =
rules to type into the wiki</div><div>the team found the best is to =
gather information on the forum and transfer the essence to the =
site</div><div><br></div><div>do you really think wiki looks better than =
wordpress?</div><div><br><div><div>On 11 Jul 2012, at 6:25 PM, Tyler =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>Hello! I have two years of experience in the field of =
wiki administration, and I'm wondering how many <br>of you would want =
Loop Wiki; it would be an online encyclopedia by loopers for loopers. =
You see, <br>on this website, mailing list posts become part of the =
reference-work when the owner of the site posts them. <br>Well, Loop =
Wiki would be a place where if information needs updating, the looper =
would just log into an <br>account, hit Edit, and change it, just like =
on Wikipedia. It's Web 2.0, sonny! Of course, this <br>mailing list =
would still be active for questions and news updates. But this website, =
you pretty much have <br>to email an admin for a change in the =
"encyclopedia" of loop topics we have here. Well, what about <br>Loop =
Wiki? Log in, click, edit, preview, save! We all do that, and create a =
more <br>Wikipedia-like community. It would be better than that =
Wordpress-blogger stuff Livelooping is doing.<br>Tyler =
Z<br><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>=

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Yes,=20I=20think=20wiki=20is=20better.=20But=20the=20wiki=20you=20linked=20=
to=20is=20Wikispaces;=20I'm=20talking=20about=20
Mediawiki.=20An=20example=20of=20Mediawiki=20is=20Wikipedia.=20Here's=20an=
=20example=20of=20a=20Mediawiki=20
wiki.=20There=20are=20no=20loop=20wikis,=20but=20I'm=20trying=20to=20keep=
=20it=20relevant.=20Here's=20a=20general=20
music-themed=20wiki.=20This=20is=20what=20it=20will=20look=20like;=20WAY=20=
different=20than=20Livelooping=20Wikispaces.
http://www.wikimusicguide.com
Very=20much=20like=20Wikipedia,=20eh?
Tyler=20Z
On=20Wed,=2011=20Jul=202012=2018:54:53=20-0300,=20Matthias=20Grob=20wrote:



>Tyler,
>we=20are=20about=20to=20lounch=20the=20new=20version=20of=20livelooping.org
>its=20not=20"blogger=20stuff"
>maybe=20you=20can=20connect=20a=20wiki=20to=20expand=20it?
>Bernhard=20started=20one=20years=20ago:
>http://livelooping.wikispaces.com/
>I=20think=20most=20musicians=20do=20not=20know=20the=20rules=20to=20type=
=20into=20the=20wiki
>the=20team=20found=20the=20best=20is=20to=20gather=20information=20on=20th=
e=20forum=20and=20transfer=20the=20
>essence=20to=20the=20site
>do=20you=20really=20think=20wiki=20looks=20better=20than=20wordpress?
>On=2011=20Jul=202012,=20at=206:25=20PM,=20Tyler=20wrote:

>of=20you=20would=20want=20Loop=20Wiki;=20it=20would=20be=20an=20online=20e=
ncyclopedia=20by=20loopers=20for=20
>loopers.=20You=20see,=20
>on=20this=20website,=20mailing=20list=20posts=20become=20part=20of=20the=
=20reference-work=20when=20the=20
>owner=20of=20the=20site=20posts=20them.=20
>Well,=20Loop=20Wiki=20would=20be=20a=20place=20where=20if=20information=20=
needs=20updating,=20the=20
>looper=20would=20just=20log=20into=20an=20
>account,=20hit=20Edit,=20and=20change=20it,=20just=20like=20on=20Wikipedia=
.=20It's=20Web=202.0,=20sonny!=20
>Of=20course,=20this=20
>mailing=20list=20would=20still=20be=20active=20for=20questions=20and=20new=
s=20updates.=20But=20this=20
>website,=20you=20pretty=20much=20have=20
>to=20email=20an=20admin=20for=20a=20change=20in=20the=20"encyclopedia"=20o=
f=20loop=20topics=20we=20have=20
>here.=20Well,=20what=20about=20
>Loop=20Wiki?=20Log=20in,=20click,=20edit,=20preview,=20save!=20We=20all=20=
do=20that,=20and=20create=20a=20
>more=20
>Wikipedia-like=20community.=20It=20would=20be=20better=20than=20that=20Wor=
dpress-blogger=20stuff=20
>Livelooping=20is=20doing.
>Tyler=20Z


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IMO wiki can be great.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 11, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Matthias Grob <matilists@gmail.com> wrote:

> Tyler,
> we are about to lounch the new version of livelooping.org
> its not "blogger stuff"
> maybe you can connect a wiki to expand it?
> Bernhard started one years ago:
> http://livelooping.wikispaces.com/
>=20
> I think most musicians do not know the rules to type into the wiki
> the team found the best is to gather information on the forum and transfer=
 the essence to the site
>=20
> do you really think wiki looks better than wordpress?
>=20
> On 11 Jul 2012, at 6:25 PM, Tyler wrote:
>=20
>> Hello! I have two years of experience in the field of wiki administration=
, and I'm wondering how many=20
>> of you would want Loop Wiki; it would be an online encyclopedia by looper=
s for loopers. You see,=20
>> on this website, mailing list posts become part of the reference-work whe=
n the owner of the site posts them.=20
>> Well, Loop Wiki would be a place where if information needs updating, the=
 looper would just log into an=20
>> account, hit Edit, and change it, just like on Wikipedia. It's Web 2.0, s=
onny! Of course, this=20
>> mailing list would still be active for questions and news updates. But th=
is website, you pretty much have=20
>> to email an admin for a change in the "encyclopedia" of loop topics we ha=
ve here. Well, what about=20
>> Loop Wiki? Log in, click, edit, preview, save! We all do that, and create=
 a more=20
>> Wikipedia-like community. It would be better than that Wordpress-blogger s=
tuff Livelooping is doing.
>> Tyler Z
>>=20
>=20

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<html><head></head><body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>IMO wiki can be great.<br>=
<br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Jul 11, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Matthias G=
rob &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:matilists@gmail.com">matilists@gmail.com</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>Tyler,<div>we a=
re about to lounch the new version of <a href=3D"http://livelooping.org">liv=
elooping.org</a></div><div>its not "blogger stuff"</div><div>maybe you can c=
onnect a wiki to expand it?</div><div>Bernhard started one years ago:</div><=
div><a href=3D"http://livelooping.wikispaces.com/">http://livelooping.wikisp=
aces.com/</a></div><div><br></div><div>I think most musicians do not know th=
e rules to type into the wiki</div><div>the team found the best is to gather=
 information on the forum and transfer the essence to the site</div><div><br=
></div><div>do you really think wiki looks better than wordpress?</div><div>=
<br><div><div>On 11 Jul 2012, at 6:25 PM, Tyler wrote:</div><br class=3D"App=
le-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>Hello! I have two yea=
rs of experience in the field of wiki administration, and I'm wondering how m=
any <br>of you would want Loop Wiki; it would be an online encyclopedia by l=
oopers for loopers. You see, <br>on this website, mailing list posts become p=
art of the reference-work when the owner of the site posts them. <br>Well, L=
oop Wiki would be a place where if information needs updating, the looper wo=
uld just log into an <br>account, hit Edit, and change it, just like on Wiki=
pedia. It's Web 2.0, sonny! Of course, this <br>mailing list would still be a=
ctive for questions and news updates. But this website, you pretty much have=
 <br>to email an admin for a change in the "encyclopedia" of loop topics we h=
ave here. Well, what about <br>Loop Wiki? Log in, click, edit, preview, save=
! We all do that, and create a more <br>Wikipedia-like community. It would b=
e better than that Wordpress-blogger stuff Livelooping is doing.<br>Tyler Z<=
br><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></blockquote></body></html>=

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Hello,=20everybody!=20Are=20any=20of=20you=20remix=20artists?=20People=20wh=
o=20take=20existing=20(usually=20popular)=20
recordings,=20and=20sample=20and=20loop=20over=20them?=20Almost=20all=20my=
=20life,=20I've=20treated=20remix=20artists=20like=20
looping=20artists,=20because=20of=20their=20use=20of=20looping.=20Most=20re=
mix=20artists=20are=20a=20type=20of=20looping=20artist,=20in=20my=20
opinion.=20Are=20there=20any=20remixers=20here?
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(shame they turned out so shit in the end...)=0A=A0=0AHarsh, man, harsh. An=
ything they may have evolved into is covered by their earlier successes. I =
mean, hell man, I heard Ringo Starr recently discussing his songwriting pro=
cess using the song Backoff Boogaloo as an example. Not 'xactly a song for =
the ages.=0A=A0=0ADoes anyone remember or listen to the German group Softwa=
re? I still love their album Syn Code A and several others.=0A=A0=0AP=0A=0A=
=0A________________________________=0AFrom: mark francombe <mark@markfranco=
mbe.com>=0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Wednesday, July=
 11, 2012 5:25 PM=0ASubject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream=0A=0A=0AAnd I saw them=
 sometime early 80s in Portsmouth Guildhall.. INCREDIBLE show!!! Loved ever=
y second, and my main memory was that there was a break, during which a few=
 "technicians" in white coats were on stage with torches and charts, meticu=
lously changing settings on all the sequencers and settings on the huge rac=
ks of synths... fantastic!=0A...shame they turned out so shit in the end...=
=0A=0AMark=0A=0A=0AOn Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Gareth Whittock <buddha=
machine@live.co.uk> wrote:=0A=0AI saw them on the 10th of November 1976. I =
was so looking forward to seeing them but absolutely hated the gig - maybe =
just an off day... What a pity! =0A>=0A>=0A>Peace=0A>=0A>=0A>g=0A>=0A>=0A>G=
areth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>_________=
_______________________=0A>From: revfever@ubergadget.com =0A>=0A>Subject: R=
e: OT: Tangerine Dream=0A>Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 11:22:43 -0700=0A>To: Loop=
ers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On Jul 11, 2012, at 8:33 AM=
, richard sales wrote:=0A>=0A>1975. If I remember correctly, TG had these H=
UGE racks of computers. =A0Like towers maybe 8 or 9 feet tall. =A0They coul=
d have been props.=A0=0A>=0A>Those were their early Moog (and?) modular syn=
ths and not computers. They also certainly were not "props". :-) But, just =
the thought of=0A>being able to experience numerous large Moog modular synt=
hs live and LOUD makes me swoon with delight!=0A>=0A>=0A>And, LUCKY YOU tha=
t you got to see / hear them in THAT era! =A0The earliest and only time I e=
ver got to experience TD live was in the=A0=0A>*very early* 80s (1982? 83?)=
,=A0but it was still very kool and it was a FREE show and OUTDOORS at an am=
phitheater! =A0But, as I recall,=0A>there were not many of those modulars s=
till being used, if any, but I could be wrong. This was many years ago, so.=
..:-)=0A>=0A>=0A>Andy Summers (The Police) opened for them, but he seemed t=
o=A0be having a "bad day"=A0judging from his "attitude" on stage.=A0=0A>But=
, at least he still played well enough.=A0It was a pleasant late afternoon =
in Dallas TX of all places.=A0=0A>(But I got the hell out of that city over=
 20 years ago and migrated to the wonderful PNW!)=0A>=0A>=0A>-----=0A>>It's=
 encouraging to hear, Matt, that Morton Subotnick is still being creative. =
=A0Very cool. I'll have to check it out. =A0=0A>=0A>Good news, indeed!=A0=
=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Cheers-=0A>Rev.Fever=0A>Portlandia=0A>http://www.spiritone.=
com/%7Ervfever=0A>http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1=0A>http://www.cdbaby.=
com/cd/elemental2=0A>http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>>=0A>>I =
was just thinking this morning about how Morton Subotnick (of=0A>>>"Silver =
Apples of the Moon" fame, an early synthesizer record) still=0A>>>manages t=
o compose music that is fascinating without remaining stuck=0A>>>in an era.=
 Yet some other composers (Aphex Twin, Klaus Schulze, etc)=0A>>>became less=
 interesting after a certain number of years. With the=0A>>>latter, the pat=
tern I notice is that in later years they tried to=0A>>>adjust their music =
to match what's popular at the moment, which of=0A>>>course puts them in a =
field with a lot of competition.=0A>>>=0A>>>I'm not too knowledgeable about=
 Tangerine Dream's later music, but my=0A>>>impression from hearing a few s=
amples is that they tailored some of=0A>>>their music to a general audience=
 (seeking soundtrack & commercial=0A>>>work) instead of a specialized audie=
nce (with the space music). At the=0A>>>same time, they updated their techn=
ology from large bulky synths with=0A>>>a lot of personality to more modern=
 midi instrumentation (which in the=0A>>>80s and 90s sounded rather sterile=
).=0A>>>=0A>>>On a related note, my radio show/podcast last week was a Spac=
e theme=0A>>>again: http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com/=0A>>>=0A>>>-- =0A>>>=
Matt Davignon=0A>>>mattdavignon@gmail.com=0A>>>http://www.ribosomemusic.com=
/=0A>>>Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>On Tue, =
Jul 10, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Christophe <cburke55@comcast.net> wrote:=0A>>>=0A>=
>>Hi Matt,=0A>>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>I'm a huge fan of the band throughout t=
heir career, but of course with a=0A>>>>=0A>>>career 40+ years long there a=
re periods I love (the 70's=0A>>>>=0A>>>Froese-Franke-Baumann era) =A0and s=
ome not so much (the Melrose period).=0A>>>>=0A>>>Unfortunately, the 70's e=
ra with those wonderful Moog sequences was not=0A>>>>=0A>>>represented very=
 much. =A0The sound and material was in line with what they've=0A>>>>=0A>>>=
been doing in recent years, and if you listen to any of the live recordings=
=0A>>>>=0A>>>they've done over the past few (Zeitgeist, London Eye, etc.) y=
ou've pretty=0A>>>>=0A>>>much got the picture. =A0Two 90 minute sets, mostl=
y medleys, with parts=0A>>>>=0A>>>representative of different phases of the=
 bands material scattered=0A>>>>=0A>>>throughout. =A0One unexpected treat w=
as a version of the Doors, "The Crystal=0A>>>>=0A>>>Ship", with a vocal by =
Thorsten Queschning. =A0Bernard Biebl on guitar was=0A>>>>=0A>>>good but =
=A0maybe a bit too restrained. =A0Iris Camaa on percussion was=0A>>>>=0A>>>=
definitely the most animated of the group and she added a lot of energy to=
=0A>>>>=0A>>>the performance.=0A>>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>But alas, no long sp=
ace odysseys. :-(=0A>>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>TD is a mature band (extremely!)=
 so you really don't see a lot of evolution=0A>>>>=0A>>>in the sound in rec=
ent years, but that said they put on a totally satisfying=0A>>>>=0A>>>show.=
 =A0Definitely gave you your moneys worth for $46 for a front row seat!=0A>=
>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>Chris=0A>>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>______________________=
__________=0A>>>>=0A>>>From: "Matt Davignon" <mattdavignon@gmail.com>=0A>>>=
>=0A>>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A>>>>=0A>>>Sent: Monday, Ju=
ly 9, 2012 6:22:40 PM=0A>>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine D=
ream=0A>>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>So, what did you think? I'd love to hear Tang=
erine Dream do stuff like=0A>>>>=0A>>>they did in the 70s and early 80s. No=
t so excited about the idea of=0A>>>>=0A>>>them playing their late 80s, 90s=
 and 00s stuff. They are playing in=0A>>>>=0A>>>Napa, California this frida=
y. Tickets are $40. If it was in town, I'd=0A>>>>=0A>>>certainly go to see =
them. However, wine country gigs are often for=0A>>>>=0A>>>bands that are w=
ay past their heyday.=0A>>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>You'd think with all the hip=
 bands that sound like Tangerine Dream now=0A>>>>=0A>>>(such as Oneohtrix P=
oint Never), that they could do well in a San=0A>>>>=0A>>>Francisco or Oakl=
and venue....=0A>>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>Matt=0A>>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=
>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>=0A=0A=0A-- =0AMark Francombe=0Ahttp://www.markfrancombe.co=
m/=0Ahttp://www.ordoabkhao.com/=0Ahttp://vimeo.com/user825094=0Ahttp://www.=
looop.no/=0Atwitter @markfrancombe=0Ahttp://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@=
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mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style=3D"RIGHT: =
auto"><SPAN style=3D"RIGHT: auto">(shame they turned out so shit in the end=
...)</SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style=3D"RIGHT: auto"></SPAN>&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style=3D"RIGHT: auto">Harsh, man, harsh. A=
nything they may have evolved into is covered by their earlier successes. I=
 mean, hell man, I heard Ringo Starr recently discussing his songwriting pr=
ocess using the song Backoff Boogaloo as an example. Not 'xactly a song for=
 the ages.<VAR id=3Dyui-ie-cursor></VAR></SPAN></div>
<div style=3D"RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style=3D"RIGHT: auto"></SPAN>&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style=3D"RIGHT: auto">Does anyone remember=
 or listen to the German group Software? I still love their album Syn Code =
A and several others.</SPAN></div>
<div style=3D"RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style=3D"RIGHT: auto"></SPAN>&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style=3D"RIGHT: auto">P</div>
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=3Dfalse readonly=3D"true"></DIV><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:=
</SPAN></B> mark francombe &lt;mark@markfrancombe.com&gt;<BR><B><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com <=
BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, July 11=
, 2012 5:25 PM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> =
Re: OT: Tangerine Dream<BR></FONT></DIV><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv805415022>And I saw them sometime early 80s in Portsmouth Guil=
dhall.. INCREDIBLE show!!! Loved every second, and my main memory was that =
there was a break, during which a few "technicians" in white coats were on =
stage with torches and charts, meticulously changing settings on all the se=
quencers and settings on the huge racks of synths... fantastic!<BR>...shame=
 they turned out so shit in the end...<BR><BR>Mark<BR><BR>
<DIV class=3Dyiv805415022gmail_quote>On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Garet=
h Whittock <SPAN dir=3Dltr>&lt;<A href=3D"mailto:buddhamachine@live.co.uk" =
rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank ymailto=3D"mailto:buddhamachine@live.co.uk">=
buddhamachine@live.co.uk</A>&gt;</SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3Dyiv805415022gmail_quote>
<DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>I saw them o<SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">n the 10th of No=
vember 1976. I was so looking forward to seeing them but absolutely hated t=
he gig - maybe just an off day... What a pity!</SPAN>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Peace</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>g<BR>
<DIV><BR>Gareth Whittock, sound artist: <A href=3D"http://garethwhittock.co=
.uk/" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank>garethwhittock.co.uk</A><BR><BR>
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<DIV></DIV>
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ORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px" class=3Dhr contentEditable=
=3Dfalse readonly=3D"true"></DIV>From: <A href=3D"mailto:revfever@ubergadge=
t.com" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank ymailto=3D"mailto:revfever@ubergadget=
.com">revfever@ubergadget.com</A>
<DIV class=3Dyiv805415022im><BR>Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream<BR></DIV>D=
ate: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 11:22:43 -0700<BR>To: <A href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delig=
ht@loopers-delight.com" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank ymailto=3D"mailto:Lo=
opers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</A>
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<DIV>
<DIV>On Jul 11, 2012, at 8:33 AM, richard sales wrote:</DIV><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>
<DIV>1975. If I remember correctly, TG had these HUGE racks of computers. &=
nbsp;Like towers maybe 8 or 9 feet tall. &nbsp;They could have been props.&=
nbsp;</DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Those were their early Moog (and?) modular synths and not co=
mputers. They also certainly were not "props". :-) But, just the thought of=
</DIV>
<DIV>being able to experience numerous large Moog modular synths live and L=
OUD makes me swoon with delight!</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>And, LUCKY YOU that you got to see / hear them in THAT era! &nbsp;The =
earliest and only time I ever got to experience TD live was in the&nbsp;</D=
IV>
<DIV>*very early* 80s (1982? 83?),&nbsp;but it was still very kool and it w=
as a FREE show and OUTDOORS at an amphitheater! &nbsp;But, as I recall,</DI=
V>
<DIV>there were not many of those modulars still being used, if any, but I =
could be wrong. This was many years ago, so...:-)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Andy Summers (The Police) opened for them, but he seemed to&nbsp;be ha=
ving a "bad day"&nbsp;judging from his "attitude" on stage.&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>But, at least he still played well enough.&nbsp;It was a pleasant late=
 afternoon in Dallas TX of all places.&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>(But I got the hell out of that city over 20 years ago and migrated to=
 the wonderful PNW!)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>
<DIV>-----</DIV>
<DIV>It's encouraging to hear, Matt, that Morton Subotnick is still being c=
reative. &nbsp;Very cool. I'll have to check it out. &nbsp;</DIV></DIV></BL=
OCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Good news, indeed!&nbsp;<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>Cheers-</DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">Rev.=
Fever</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">Port=
landia</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">http=
://www.spiritone.com/%7Ervfever</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">http=
://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">http=
://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">http=
://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult</DIV>
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<DIV>I was just thinking this morning about how Morton Subotnick (of<BR>"Si=
lver Apples of the Moon" fame, an early synthesizer record) still<BR>manage=
s to compose music that is fascinating without remaining stuck<BR>in an era=
. Yet some other composers (Aphex Twin, Klaus Schulze, etc)<BR>became less =
interesting after a certain number of years. With the<BR>latter, the patter=
n I notice is that in later years they tried to<BR>adjust their music to ma=
tch what's popular at the moment, which of<BR>course puts them in a field w=
ith a lot of competition.<BR><BR>I'm not too knowledgeable about Tangerine =
Dream's later music, but my<BR>impression from hearing a few samples is tha=
t they tailored some of<BR>their music to a general audience (seeking sound=
track &amp; commercial<BR>work) instead of a specialized audience (with the=
 space music). At the<BR>same time, they updated their technology from larg=
e bulky synths with<BR>a lot of personality to more modern midi
 instrumentation (which in the<BR>80s and 90s sounded rather sterile).<BR><=
BR>On a related note, my radio show/podcast last week was a Space theme<BR>=
again: http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com/<BR><BR>-- <BR>Matt Davignon<BR><A=
 href=3D"mailto:mattdavignon@gmail.com" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank ymai=
lto=3D"mailto:mattdavignon@gmail.com">mattdavignon@gmail.com</A><BR><A href=
=3D"http://www.ribosomemusic.com/" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank>http://ww=
w.ribosomemusic.com/</A><BR>Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com<BR><=
BR><BR>On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Christophe &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:cb=
urke55@comcast.net" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank ymailto=3D"mailto:cburke=
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Hi Matt,<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>I'm a huge fan of the band throughout their career, but of cour=
se with a<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>career 40+ years long there are periods I love (the 70's<BR></B=
LOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>Froese-Franke-Baumann era) &nbsp;and some not so much (the Melr=
ose period).<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>Unfortunately, the 70's era with those wonderful Moog sequences=
 was not<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>represented very much. &nbsp;The sound and material was in line=
 with what they've<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>been doing in recent years, and if you listen to any of the liv=
e recordings<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>they've done over the past few (Zeitgeist, London Eye, etc.) yo=
u've pretty<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>much got the picture. &nbsp;Two 90 minute sets, mostly medleys,=
 with parts<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>representative of different phases of the bands material scatte=
red<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>throughout. &nbsp;One unexpected treat was a version of the Doo=
rs, "The Crystal<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>Ship", with a vocal by Thorsten Queschning. &nbsp;Bernard Biebl=
 on guitar was<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>good but &nbsp;maybe a bit too restrained. &nbsp;Iris Camaa on =
percussion was<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>definitely the most animated of the group and she added a lot o=
f energy to<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>the performance.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>But alas, no long space odysseys. :-(<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>TD is a mature band (extremely!) so you really don't see a lot =
of evolution<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>in the sound in recent years, but that said they put on a total=
ly satisfying<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>show. &nbsp;Definitely gave you your moneys worth for $46 for a=
 front row seat!<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>Chris<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>________________________________<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>From: "Matt Davignon" &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:mattdavignon@gmail.=
com" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank ymailto=3D"mailto:mattdavignon@gmail.co=
m">mattdavignon@gmail.com</A>&gt;<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>To: <A href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" rel=
=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank ymailto=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delig=
ht.com">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</A><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 6:22:40 PM<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>So, what did you think? I'd love to hear Tangerine Dream do stu=
ff like<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>they did in the 70s and early 80s. Not so excited about the ide=
a of<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>them playing their late 80s, 90s and 00s stuff. They are playin=
g in<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>Napa, California this friday. Tickets are $40. If it was in tow=
n, I'd<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>certainly go to see them. However, wine country gigs are often =
for<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>bands that are way past their heyday.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>You'd think with all the hip bands that sound like Tangerine Dr=
eam now<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>(such as Oneohtrix Point Never), that they could do well in a S=
an<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>Francisco or Oakland venue....<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>Matt<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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I used to do it more than I do now. Sometimes on my radio show, I'll
take well known songs and run them though a process. On the most
recent episode, I did a time-stretch of the chorus from Neneh Cherry's
"Buffalo Stance", then later had Led Zeppelin's "Battle of Evermore"
backwards, and Charlie Daniels Band's "The Devil Went Down to Georgia"
at 1/2 speed. (the link is http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com)

I'm a big fan of time compress & time stretch. (The former makes a
sound shorter without changing the pitch by taking tiny little slices
out of the audio. The latter stretches out a sound by repeating tiny
slices of the audio.) One of my favorite things to do is to bring a
song down to half speed, then time-compress it to its original length.
The song is totally recognizeable, but the rhythm gets noticeably
changed, due to the bits taken out. Another thing I do is to
time-compress a song until it's only 20 or 30 seconds long (by doing
it repeatedly at 3% intervals), then time-stretch it back to the
original length. That creates a nice weird thing where you still get
the chord structure of the original song, but in a way that sounds
completely digitally f'ed up.

On the 6/20 episode, I did a thing to Michael Jackson's "Don't Stop
till you Get Enough", where I pitched it down into a few different
keys, and had different versions overlapping at the same time. Towards
the end I did some noise gating, so only the rhythmic peaks are heard.

When I do actual remixes (which as I mentioned earlier, is pretty rare
these days), I often just treat the original record as source material
and compose something new with it - there's no intention for it to
sound like the original. I'll also use elements from different songs.
The last one I did was for Michael Peters' "Stretched Landscape Remix
Project" (http://veloopity.bandcamp.com/album/stretched-landscape-remix-project).

-- 
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusic.com
Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com


On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Tyler <programmer651@comcast.net> wrote:
> Hello, everybody! Are any of you remix artists? People who take existing (usually popular)
> recordings, and sample and loop over them? Almost all my life, I've treated remix artists like
> looping artists, because of their use of looping. Most remix artists are a type of looping artist, in my
> opinion. Are there any remixers here?
> Tyler Z
>

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On 7/11/12 2:17 PM, Jeff Larson wrote:
> Mobius can do pre-recorded loops.  Whether this is easy or not is 
> debatable, but basically you would start by using the File->Load Loop 
> menu item to load loops into one or more tracks.  Then use File->Save 
> Project to save the whole thing as a project so you don't have to 
> repeat loading the individual files.  Then when you're ready to 
> perform use File->Load Project to bring them all back, or use a script 
> to load the project and bind that to a footswitch.
>
> Now set up footswitches to trigger the loops wherever they are.
Thanks, Jeff,  pardon my ignorance on the subject.

much respect,  Rick

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Hi there -

I've used an Akai Headrush E2 for a couple of years for basic looping, =
but I'm looking to change my live set in ways that the Akai can't =
support...
I've pored over all of the specs of the various pedals out there and my =
head is spinning. =20
Would anyone be willing to give their suggestion for what would be best =
for the following:

- I'm a singer/songwriter who primarily uses an acoustic guitar.
- My biggest need: I want to be able to create drum loops prior to my =
shows to use as backup, so I want to be able to access different =
pre-recorded loops easily (sometimes 2 or 3 different loops within a =
song) and turn each one on and off easily.  I will also be doing some =
on-the-fly vocal looping that I will need to be able to store and turn =
on and off as well.  Optimally, I want to do all of this using just foot =
switches.

I was looking at the Digitech Jamman Stereo or the Delay, but I don't =
know if either one will absolutely do what I need, or if there is one =
that is better suited for that?
If not, I am also open to getting an Ipad and going the software route, =
or setting up my Macbook Pro as well...

Thanks so much for any suggestions anyone has for me!




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Thanks to all for your suggestions so far.... I am going to check out
Mobius fir sure. That said - Does anyone have any thoughts about the Jamman
Stereo specifically? Would that be a possible solution?
On Jul 11, 2012 8:31 PM, "Rick Walker" <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

> On 7/11/12 2:17 PM, Jeff Larson wrote:
>
>> Mobius can do pre-recorded loops.  Whether this is easy or not is
>> debatable, but basically you would start by using the File->Load Loop menu
>> item to load loops into one or more tracks.  Then use File->Save Project to
>> save the whole thing as a project so you don't have to repeat loading the
>> individual files.  Then when you're ready to perform use File->Load Project
>> to bring them all back, or use a script to load the project and bind that
>> to a footswitch.
>>
>> Now set up footswitches to trigger the loops wherever they are.
>>
> Thanks, Jeff,  pardon my ignorance on the subject.
>
> much respect,  Rick
>
>

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<p>Thanks to all for your suggestions so far.... I am going to check out Mo=
bius fir sure. That said - Does anyone have any thoughts about the Jamman S=
tereo specifically? Would that be a possible solution? </p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jul 11, 2012 8:31 PM, &quot;Rick Walker&quot;=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:looppool@cruzio.com">looppool@cruzio.com</a>&gt; wro=
te:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On 7/11/12 2:17 PM, Jeff Larson wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Mobius can do pre-recorded loops. =A0Whether this is easy or not is debatab=
le, but basically you would start by using the File-&gt;Load Loop menu item=
 to load loops into one or more tracks. =A0Then use File-&gt;Save Project t=
o save the whole thing as a project so you don&#39;t have to repeat loading=
 the individual files. =A0Then when you&#39;re ready to perform use File-&g=
t;Load Project to bring them all back, or use a script to load the project =
and bind that to a footswitch.<br>

<br>
Now set up footswitches to trigger the loops wherever they are.<br>
</blockquote>
Thanks, Jeff, =A0pardon my ignorance on the subject.<br>
<br>
much respect, =A0Rick<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div>

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On 7/11/12 4:32 PM, Matt Davignon wrote:
> One of my favorite things to do is to bring a
> song down to half speed, then time-compress it to its original length.
> The song is totally recognizeable, but the rhythm gets noticeably
> changed, due to the bits taken out.
Cool creative technique, Matt.

What software do you recommend for doing this,  Matt?

By the way,  there is an amazing piece of freeware software (I think 
it's called
Paulstretch) for PCs that can radically stretch audio.

I love playing a string instrument arpeggio or some tuned bells and then
stretch a 20 second phrase out to 3 or 4 minutes.

It creates a beautiful, yet ever changing harmonically consonant ambient 
track.
I wish there was something that could do this in real time, but I 
imagine it might be
to CPU intensive to do this in real time.

rick walker

ps  I read once that Richard James (aka Aphex Twin) was paid to do a remix
of Depeche Mode or some other famous band.........that he didn't like 
the song at all
so he compressed it over and over until it was just a burst of noise 
that he used as
a backbeat and wrote his own track around it, submitting it as a 'remix'.
This cracked me up seriously.

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I use the Time Stretch that comes with Sony Sound Forge. It's kind of
a rough one, but I'm ok with that. A friend of mine showed me a
timestretch she did on some Mac software, and it was much smoother.

I'm actually not that impressed with Paulstretch - it's too reverby,
and makes everything sound like Tim Hecker, rather than a stretched
out version of what they originally were. Also, Paulstretch doesn't
let you pick the exact final length - instead you have to calculate
how many x the original gets the length you want. (So 1.5 x a 2 minute
track makes 3 minutes.)



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On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
> On 7/11/12 4:32 PM, Matt Davignon wrote:
>>
>> One of my favorite things to do is to bring a
>> song down to half speed, then time-compress it to its original length.
>> The song is totally recognizeable, but the rhythm gets noticeably
>> changed, due to the bits taken out.
>
> Cool creative technique, Matt.
>
> What software do you recommend for doing this,  Matt?
>
> By the way,  there is an amazing piece of freeware software (I think it's
> called
> Paulstretch) for PCs that can radically stretch audio.
>
> I love playing a string instrument arpeggio or some tuned bells and then
> stretch a 20 second phrase out to 3 or 4 minutes.
>
> It creates a beautiful, yet ever changing harmonically consonant ambient
> track.
> I wish there was something that could do this in real time, but I imagine it
> might be
> to CPU intensive to do this in real time.
>
> rick walker
>
> ps  I read once that Richard James (aka Aphex Twin) was paid to do a remix
> of Depeche Mode or some other famous band.........that he didn't like the
> song at all
> so he compressed it over and over until it was just a burst of noise that he
> used as
> a backbeat and wrote his own track around it, submitting it as a 'remix'.
> This cracked me up seriously.
>

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>=20
>=20
> Fabio, will Mobius save  pre-recorded loops (like drum loops) that you loa=
d in and play live as Siobahn mentioned?
> I wasn't aware that it had that capability but you know it and I don't.


Yes, it's what I do nowdays.
I have "projects" file that I recall in Mobius with just 1 click and it load=
s the 8 tracks with all the configurations I need, plus a few prerecorded lo=
ops. That loads also volume, pan setting  and state of the tracks (mute on/o=
ff, for example).
Inside Bidule I drive the audio output of each track from mobius to a mixer a=
nd from here I can record the sum of all tracks/loops or each single track/l=
oop/live playing in different files that later can be easily exported and mi=
xed.


>=20
> Also, it should probably be good to mention that Siobahn may have to do a c=
lean install of the Macbook Pro to install
> Mobius as, to my knowldege, one can only run it on a Windows Operating Sys=
tem and not Mac OSX.   That hasn't
> changed has it?

Yes ! A Mac version is avalilable too.
>=20
> When I looked into it last,  you actually have to do a clean install in or=
der to set up a dual boot system on a Macbook Pro.
>=20
> You will also need dedicated Midi pedals ($150 USD on upwards) and a dedic=
ated break out box with a sound card that also has Midi I/O      ($100 upwar=
ds to $1500) to control Mobius which, itself, is free.

Surely, you need an audio interface and a midi controller.
 I think it's money well spended and today you have a lot of cheap products o=
ut of here, as the korg NANO series.
Personally, I have an RME FF400 as audio interface; a nanokontrol and an FCB=
1010 as MIDI controller.
Recently I've started using my old Kaoss Pad II as a midi controller too, to=
 send midi messages to my piano, so I can get treat its sound in real time.

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ng &nbsp;and state of the tracks (mute on/off, for example).</div><div>Insid=
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ave a lot of cheap products out of here, as the korg NANO series.</div><div>=
Personally, I have an RME FF400 as audio interface; a nanokontrol and an FCB=
1010 as MIDI controller.</div><div>Recently I've started using my old Kaoss P=
ad II as a midi controller too, to send midi messages to my piano, so I can g=
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Not as the main part of my work in music, but I have made some remixes
on special request form a record label. Remixing was more common in
the nineties since labels used it as a promotional method; hire a
remix artist to get the artist's name branded in wider circles. Many
producers today work with traditional remix techniques but I would say
it is now rather the norm than "remix artistry". Cutups, extended time
stretching, clocked filtering etc etc

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:19 AM, Tyler <programmer651@comcast.net> wrote:
> Hello, everybody! Are any of you remix artists? People who take existing (usually popular)
> recordings, and sample and loop over them? Almost all my life, I've treated remix artists like
> looping artists, because of their use of looping. Most remix artists are a type of looping artist, in my
> opinion. Are there any remixers here?
> Tyler Z
>

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I=20rarely=20have=20access=20to=20audio=20editing=20software,=20but=20when=
=20I=20do,=20it's=20Studio=20Recorder=20from=20APH=20
(www.aph.org).=20APH=20is=20the=20American=20Printing=20House=20for=20the=
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ol'=20Audacity=20for=20a=20while!
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>I=20use=20the=20Time=20Stretch=20that=20comes=20with=20Sony=20Sound=20Forg=
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>a=20rough=20one,=20but=20I'm=20ok=20with=20that.=20A=20friend=20of=20mine=
=20showed=20me=20a
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>
>I'm=20actually=20not=20that=20impressed=20with=20Paulstretch=20-=20it's=20=
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>
>
>
>--=20
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>mattdavignon@gmail.com
>www.ribosomemusic.com
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>
>On=20Wed,=20Jul=2011,=202012=20at=207:35=20PM,=20Rick=20Walker=20<looppool=
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>>On=207/11/12=204:32=20PM,=20Matt=20Davignon=20wrote:
>>>
>>>One=20of=20my=20favorite=20things=20to=20do=20is=20to=20bring=20a
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=20original=20length.
>>>The=20song=20is=20totally=20recognizeable,=20but=20the=20rhythm=20gets=
=20noticeably
>>>changed,=20due=20to=20the=20bits=20taken=20out.
>>
>>Cool=20creative=20technique,=20Matt.
>>
>>What=20software=20do=20you=20recommend=20for=20doing=20this,=20=20Matt?
>>
>>By=20the=20way,=20=20there=20is=20an=20amazing=20piece=20of=20freeware=20=
software=20(I=20think=20it's
>>called
>>Paulstretch)=20for=20PCs=20that=20can=20radically=20stretch=20audio.
>>
>>I=20love=20playing=20a=20string=20instrument=20arpeggio=20or=20some=20tun=
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>>stretch=20a=2020=20second=20phrase=20out=20to=203=20or=204=20minutes.
>>
>>It=20creates=20a=20beautiful,=20yet=20ever=20changing=20harmonically=20co=
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>>track.
>>I=20wish=20there=20was=20something=20that=20could=20do=20this=20in=20real=
=20time,=20but=20I=20imagine=20it
>>might=20be
>>to=20CPU=20intensive=20to=20do=20this=20in=20real=20time.
>>
>>rick=20walker
>>
>>ps=20=20I=20read=20once=20that=20Richard=20James=20(aka=20Aphex=20Twin)=
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=20didn't=20like=20the
>>song=20at=20all
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On 7/12/12 12:56 AM, F_Anile wrote:
> *Awesome setup, bro.  thanks for sharing it.
> Now that it's ported to Mac, I can start recommending it, highly to 
> some of my students and may even  begin using it myself (though, I"m 
> such a dedicated hardware guy).
>
> I look forward to hearing your new setup.   Perhaps at the Rome Live 
> Looping Festival (the one coordinated with 8 other countries for next 
> years huge Y2K13 International Live Looping Festival.  I've got 
> Firenze, Milano, Berlin, Koln, possibly Munchen, London, Norwich lined 
> up with possibles in Scandinavia as well,  and Singapore, Tokyo, Osaka 
> and possibly Ubud, Bali, somewhere in Thailan and Kuala Lumpur, 
> Malaysia lined up as well.
> It's going to be epic!!!!  I hope you will consider doing at least a 
> small festival in Rome.  We want to coordinate to have all European 
> festivals occur within two or possibly three weeks of each other in 
> July so that foreign artists can afford to hit all of them in order.* 
> Much love,  Rick
>
>
>>
>>
>> Fabio, will Mobius save  pre-recorded loops (like drum loops) that 
>> you load in and play live as Siobahn mentioned?
>> I wasn't aware that it had that capability but you know it and I don't.
>
>
> Yes, it's what I do nowdays.
> I have "projects" file that I recall in Mobius with just 1 click and 
> it loads the 8 tracks with all the configurations I need, plus a few 
> prerecorded loops. That loads also volume, pan setting  and state of 
> the tracks (mute on/off, for example).
> Inside Bidule I drive the audio output of each track from mobius to a 
> mixer and from here I can record the sum of all tracks/loops or each 
> single track/loop/live playing in different files that later can be 
> easily exported and mixed.
>
>
>>
>> Also, it should probably be good to mention that Siobahn may have to 
>> do a clean install of the Macbook Pro to install
>> Mobius as, to my knowldege, one can only run it on a Windows 
>> Operating System and not Mac OSX.   That hasn't
>> changed has it?
>
> Yes ! A Mac version is avalilable too.
>>
>> When I looked into it last,  you actually have to do a clean install 
>> in order to set up a dual boot system on a Macbook Pro.
>>
>> You will also need dedicated Midi pedals ($150 USD on upwards) and a 
>> dedicated break out box with a sound card that also has Midi I/O 
>>      ($100 upwards to $1500) to control Mobius which, itself, is free.
>
> Surely, you need an audio interface and a midi controller.
>  I think it's money well spended and today you have a lot of cheap 
> products out of here, as the korg NANO series.
> Personally, I have an RME FF400 as audio interface; a nanokontrol and 
> an FCB1010 as MIDI controller.
> Recently I've started using my old Kaoss Pad II as a midi controller 
> too, to send midi messages to my piano, so I can get treat its sound 
> in real time.
>
> -f
>>
*

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/12/12 12:56 AM, F_Anile wrote:<br>
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      <div><big><b><font color="#3333ff">Awesome setup, bro.  thanks for
              sharing it.<br>
              Now that it's ported to Mac, I can start recommending it,
              highly to some of my students and may even  begin using it
              myself (though, I"m such a dedicated hardware guy).<br>
              <br>
              I look forward to hearing your new setup.   Perhaps at the
              Rome Live Looping Festival (the one coordinated with 8
              other countries for next years huge Y2K13 International
              Live Looping Festival.  I've got Firenze, Milano, Berlin,
              Koln, possibly Munchen, London, Norwich lined up with
              possibles in Scandinavia as well,  and Singapore, Tokyo,
              Osaka and possibly Ubud, Bali, somewhere in Thailan and
              Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia lined up as well.<br>
              It's going to be epic!!!!  I hope you will consider doing
              at least a small festival in Rome.  We want to coordinate
              to have all European festivals occur within two or
              possibly three weeks of each other in July so that foreign
              artists can afford to hit all of them in order.</font></b></big>  
        Much love,  Rick<br>
      </div>
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      cite="mid:AD529C5B-09CF-4431-A7CE-953561A8A578@gmail.com"
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          </font><span></span><br>
          <span>Fabio, will Mobius save  pre-recorded loops (like drum
            loops) that you load in and play live as Siobahn mentioned?</span><br>
          <span>I wasn't aware that it had that capability but you know
            it and I don't.</span><br>
        </div>
      </blockquote>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Yes, it's what I do nowdays.</div>
      <div>I have "projects" file that I recall in Mobius with just 1
        click and it loads the 8 tracks with all the configurations I
        need, plus a few prerecorded loops. That loads also volume, pan
        setting  and state of the tracks (mute on/off, for example).</div>
      <div>Inside Bidule I drive the audio output of each track from
        mobius to a mixer and from here I can record the sum of all
        tracks/loops or each single track/loop/live playing in different
        files that later can be easily exported and mixed.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <br>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <div><span></span><br>
          <span>Also, it should probably be good to mention that Siobahn
            may have to do a clean install of the Macbook Pro to install</span><br>
          <span>Mobius as, to my knowldege, one can only run it on a
            Windows Operating System and not Mac OSX.   That hasn't</span><br>
          <span>changed has it?</span><br>
        </div>
      </blockquote>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      Yes ! A Mac version is avalilable too.<br>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <div><span></span><br>
          <span>When I looked into it last,  you actually have to do a
            clean install in order to set up a dual boot system on a
            Macbook Pro.</span><br>
          <span></span><br>
          <span>You will also need dedicated Midi pedals ($150 USD on
            upwards) and a dedicated break out box with a sound card
            that also has Midi I/O      ($100 upwards to $1500) to
            control Mobius which, itself, is free.</span><br>
        </div>
      </blockquote>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Surely, you need an audio interface and a midi controller.</div>
      <div> I think it's money well spended and today you have a lot of
        cheap products out of here, as the korg NANO series.</div>
      <div>Personally, I have an RME FF400 as audio interface; a
        nanokontrol and an FCB1010 as MIDI controller.</div>
      <div>Recently I've started using my old Kaoss Pad II as a midi
        controller too, to send midi messages to my piano, so I can get
        treat its sound in real time.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>-f</div>
      <blockquote type="cite">
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        </div>
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I have two different Jamman Pedals and they can store a huge amount of loop=
s if you upgrade the memory. Neither are stereo though.=20


PJ



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Thanks to all for your suggestions so far.... I am going to check out Mobiu=
s fir sure. That said - Does anyone have any thoughts about the Jamman Ster=
eo specifically? Would that be a possible solution?=20
On Jul 11, 2012 8:31 PM, "Rick Walker" <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

On 7/11/12 2:17 PM, Jeff Larson wrote:

Mobius can do pre-recorded loops.  Whether this is easy or not is debatable=
, but basically you would start by using the File->Load Loop menu item to l=
oad loops into one or more tracks.  Then use File->Save Project to save the=
 whole thing as a project so you don't have to repeat loading the individua=
l files.  Then when you're ready to perform use File->Load Project to bring=
 them all back, or use a script to load the project and bind that to a foot=
switch.

Now set up footswitches to trigger the loops wherever they are.

Thanks, Jeff,  pardon my ignorance on the subject.

much respect,  Rick



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<div>Thanks to all for your suggestions so far.... I am going to check out =
Mobius fir sure. That said - Does anyone have any thoughts about the Jamman=
 Stereo specifically? Would that be a possible solution? </div>


<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jul 11, 2012 8:31 PM, "Rick Walker" &lt;<a hr=
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x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Mobius can do pre-recorded loops. &nbsp;Whether this is easy or not is deba=
table, but basically you would start by using the File-&gt;Load Loop menu i=
tem to load loops into one or more tracks. &nbsp;Then use File-&gt;Save Pro=
ject to save the whole thing as a project so you don't have to repeat loadi=
ng the individual files. &nbsp;Then when you're ready to perform use File-&=
gt;Load Project to bring them all back, or use a script to load the project=
 and bind that to a footswitch.<br>


<br>

Now set up footswitches to trigger the loops wherever they are.<br>

</blockquote>
Thanks, Jeff, &nbsp;pardon my ignorance on the subject.<br>

<br>

much respect, &nbsp;Rick<br>

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Uncalled for and unfair. 

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...shame they turned out so shit in the end...<br><br><br>
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Perhaps in Rome ??? For sure !
I'll start organizing things in autumn.
Count on Rome !!!

-f



*I look forward to hearing your new setup.   Perhaps at the Rome Live
> Looping Festival (the one coordinated with 8 other countries for next years
> huge Y2K13 International Live Looping Festival.  I've got Firenze, Milano,
> Berlin, Koln, possibly Munchen, London, Norwich lined up with possibles in
> Scandinavia as well,  and Singapore, Tokyo, Osaka and possibly Ubud, Bali,
> somewhere in Thailan and Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia lined up as well.
> It's going to be epic!!!!  I hope you will consider doing at least a small
> festival in Rome.  We want to coordinate to have all European festivals
> occur within two or possibly three weeks of each other in July so that
> foreign artists can afford to hit all of them in order.*   Much love,
> Rick
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iv>I&#39;ll start organizing things in autumn.</div><div>Count on Rome !!!<=
/div><div><br></div><div>-f</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></d=
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n,
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              Osaka and possibly Ubud, Bali, somewhere in Thailan and
              Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia lined up as well.<br>
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Christophe cburke55@comcast.net
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Uncalled for and unfair.

YIKES, I replied to my original post privately to Paul, meant it for the
group...posted it below...
I think I tried to explain why I used the "shit" word... seems to have
exposed a few nerves...

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 1:42 AM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>wro=
te:

> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:25 AM, Paul Richards <
> paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> (shame they turned out so shit in the end...)
>>  Harsh, man, harsh. Anything they may have evolved into is covered by
>> their earlier successes. I mean, hell man, I heard Ringo Starr recently
>> discussing his songwriting process using the song Backoff Boogaloo as an
>> example. Not 'xactly a song for the ages.
>>
>> P
>>
>
> Ha ha ha! Oops! Sorry!
Im really not sure what the Backoff Boogaloo thing was supposed to prove?
Er.. Ringo wasnt exactly KNOWN for his er... "song" writing... I can only
think of Obladi and Yellow Sub Marine... oops...

I think I only sounded harsh cos I used an expletive, that often seems to
offend Americans more than Europeans, I dont know why, (less religious
perhaps, maybe Americans are more worried about offending, in case of law
suits? ..OK kidding now... but there IS some cultural difference here...)
anyway we=B4re all grown-ups here arnt we?
OK, I admit I was not writing a review here, just expressing a personal
opinion, to me, "The Tangs" have sounded like elevator music for the last
15 years... and if you say something like "Well they proved them selves by
their earlier works so they are allowed to be crap now without anyone
mentioning it.. well thats a bit silly .. right?

Do you LIKE what they do now, if so, argue with me... tell me why!!!
Personally I think its shit... but that in NO WAY takes away, for me, how I
feel about Ph=E6dra or Rubicon... Which are 2 or the darkest, moodiest,
scariest, most gothic albums I have ever owned... No wonder they sound good
in churches!!!
Despite the "shit" comment, Tangerine Dream are one of my favorite bands
ever...

Oh, just a small point Paul, can you remember to edit your mails so they
dont keep the whole thread, it can be a bit annoying for the Digest users..
(Er.. Rick) Just the last relevant post is OK with most..

cheers

Mark


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</td></tr></tbody></table>Uncalled for and unfair.<br><br>YIKES, I replied =
to my original post privately to Paul, meant it for the group...posted it b=
elow... <br> I think I tried to explain why I used the &quot;shit&quot; wor=
d... seems to have exposed a few nerves...<br>

<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 1:42 AM, mark franco=
mbe <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mark@markfrancombe.com" target=
=3D"_blank">mark@markfrancombe.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pa=
dding-left:1ex">

<div class=3D"im">On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:25 AM, Paul Richards <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blan=
k">paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></div><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote">

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
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<div><div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman,new york,time=
s,serif"><div class=3D"im"><div><span>(shame they turned out so shit in the=
 end...)</span></div>

<div><span></span> <span>Harsh, man, harsh. Anything they may have evolved =
into is covered by their earlier successes. I mean, hell man, I heard Ringo=
 Starr recently discussing his songwriting process using the song Backoff B=
oogaloo as an example. Not &#39;xactly a song for the ages.<var></var></spa=
n></div>



<div><span></span><br></div></div><div><span>P</span></div></div></div></bl=
ockquote><div><br></div></div></blockquote></div><div>Ha ha ha! Oops! Sorry=
!<br>Im really not sure what the Backoff=20
Boogaloo thing was supposed to prove? Er.. Ringo wasnt exactly KNOWN for
 his er... &quot;song&quot; writing... I can only think of Obladi and Yello=
w Sub=20
Marine... oops...<br><br>
I think I only sounded harsh cos I used an expletive, that often seems to o=
ffend Americans more than Europeans, I dont know why, (less religious perha=
ps, maybe Americans are more worried about offending, in case of law suits?=
 ..OK kidding now... but there IS some cultural difference here...) anyway =
we=B4re all=20
grown-ups here arnt we? <br>OK, I admit I was not writing a review here, ju=
st=20
expressing a personal opinion, to me, &quot;The Tangs&quot; have sounded li=
ke=20
elevator music for the last 15 years... and if you say something like=20
&quot;Well they proved them selves by their earlier works so they are allow=
ed
 to be crap now without anyone mentioning it.. well thats a bit silly ..
 right?<br><br>
Do you LIKE what they do now, if so, argue with me... tell me why!!!=20
Personally I think its shit... but that in NO WAY takes away, for me,=20
how I feel about Ph=E6dra or Rubicon... Which are 2 or the darkest,=20
moodiest, scariest, most gothic albums I have ever owned... No wonder=20
they sound good in churches!!!<br>Despite the &quot;shit&quot; comment, Tan=
gerine Dream are one of my favorite bands ever... <br><br>Oh, just a small =
point Paul, can you remember to edit your mails so=20
they dont keep the whole thread, it can be a bit annoying for the Digest
 users.. (Er.. Rick) Just the last relevant post is OK with most..<br><br>c=
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Hi Mark, 

It wasn't the use of an expletive per se (believe me, Americans are as foul mouthed as anyone) as the tone of presumptive dismissiveness it implied, which, I thought was undeserved. 

As I noted in my original post, when you have a career 40+ years long there are going to be ups and downs. And true, it happens in my opinion too that in TD's case the earlier years really were their best (though who knows, a younger generation might find that music painfully dull). Also true, they have put out some undeniable clunkers along the way, mostly in the last 15 years or so. Nevertheless, there are still enough gems mixed in there even in the newer stuff that they don't deserve to be written off. I do agree with you though that it ain't what it used to be. But they had to evolve like everything else and sometimes it's for the better and sometimes not. And they do keep experimenting 

As to sounding like elevator music - well, when I heard, "We Are the Champions", in one I figured all bets are off. :-) 

Chris 

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On http://ImprovFriday.com we do a lot of 'mashing' which is in the remix
camp though it's technique of layer different tracks together leaves
possibly more to chance than calculated remix though there can be
uncalculated remix I would think.

I co-produced a recent release of mashed work on my net label with 4 other
mash producers from the community.  *ImprovFriday - Mash Blue* is freely
available on Bandcamp at http://woodandwiremusic.bandcamp.com/.

Jim

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 5:05 AM, Tyler <programmer651@comcast.net> wrote:

> I rarely have access to audio editing software, but when I do, it's Studi=
o
> Recorder from APH
> (www.aph.org). APH is the American Printing House for the Blind. I'm one
> of very few blind
> loopers, but SR sure makes studio stuff easy. It can't do everything,
> though. I could jump on
> ol' Audacity for a while!
> Tyler Z
> On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 22:53:15 -0700, Matt Davignon wrote:
>
>
> >I use the Time Stretch that comes with Sony Sound Forge. It's kind of
> >a rough one, but I'm ok with that. A friend of mine showed me a
> >timestretch she did on some Mac software, and it was much smoother.
> >
> >I'm actually not that impressed with Paulstretch - it's too reverby,
> >and makes everything sound like Tim Hecker, rather than a stretched
> >out version of what they originally were. Also, Paulstretch doesn't
> >let you pick the exact final length - instead you have to calculate
> >how many x the original gets the length you want. (So 1.5 x a 2 minute
> >track makes 3 minutes.)
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Matt Davignon
> >mattdavignon@gmail.com
> >www.ribosomemusic.com
> >Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
> >
> >
> >On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote=
:
> >>On 7/11/12 4:32 PM, Matt Davignon wrote:
> >>>
> >>>One of my favorite things to do is to bring a
> >>>song down to half speed, then time-compress it to its original length.
> >>>The song is totally recognizeable, but the rhythm gets noticeably
> >>>changed, due to the bits taken out.
> >>
> >>Cool creative technique, Matt.
> >>
> >>What software do you recommend for doing this,  Matt?
> >>
> >>By the way,  there is an amazing piece of freeware software (I think it=
's
> >>called
> >>Paulstretch) for PCs that can radically stretch audio.
> >>
> >>I love playing a string instrument arpeggio or some tuned bells and the=
n
> >>stretch a 20 second phrase out to 3 or 4 minutes.
> >>
> >>It creates a beautiful, yet ever changing harmonically consonant ambien=
t
> >>track.
> >>I wish there was something that could do this in real time, but I
> imagine it
> >>might be
> >>to CPU intensive to do this in real time.
> >>
> >>rick walker
> >>
> >>ps  I read once that Richard James (aka Aphex Twin) was paid to do a
> remix
> >>of Depeche Mode or some other famous band.........that he didn't like t=
he
> >>song at all
> >>so he compressed it over and over until it was just a burst of noise
> that he
> >>used as
> >>a backbeat and wrote his own track around it, submitting it as a 'remix=
'.
> >>This cracked me up seriously.
> >>
>
>


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<div>On <a href=3D"http://ImprovFriday.com">http://ImprovFriday.com</a>=A0w=
e do a lot of &#39;mashing&#39; which is in the remix camp though it&#39;s =
technique of layer different tracks together leaves possibly more to chance=
 than calculated remix though there can be uncalculated remix I would think=
.</div>
<div>=A0</div><div>I co-produced a recent release of mashed work on my net =
label=A0with 4 other mash producers from the=A0community.=A0 <em>ImprovFrid=
ay - Mash Blue</em> is freely available on Bandcamp at <a href=3D"http://wo=
odandwiremusic.bandcamp.com/">http://woodandwiremusic.bandcamp.com/</a>.</d=
iv>
<div>=A0</div><div>Jim<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul =
12, 2012 at 5:05 AM, Tyler <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:programm=
er651@comcast.net" target=3D"_blank">programmer651@comcast.net</a>&gt;</spa=
n> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-=
color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class=
=3D"gmail_quote">I rarely have access to audio editing software, but when I=
 do, it&#39;s Studio Recorder from APH<br>

(<a href=3D"http://www.aph.org" target=3D"_blank">www.aph.org</a>). APH is =
the American Printing House for the Blind. I&#39;m one of very few blind<br=
>
loopers, but SR sure makes studio stuff easy. It can&#39;t do everything, t=
hough. I could jump on<br>
ol&#39; Audacity for a while!<br>
Tyler Z<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 22:53:15 -0700,=
 Matt Davignon wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
&gt;I use the Time Stretch that comes with Sony Sound Forge. It&#39;s kind =
of<br>
&gt;a rough one, but I&#39;m ok with that. A friend of mine showed me a<br>
&gt;timestretch she did on some Mac software, and it was much smoother.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;I&#39;m actually not that impressed with Paulstretch - it&#39;s too rev=
erby,<br>
&gt;and makes everything sound like Tim Hecker, rather than a stretched<br>
&gt;out version of what they originally were. Also, Paulstretch doesn&#39;t=
<br>
&gt;let you pick the exact final length - instead you have to calculate<br>
&gt;how many x the original gets the length you want. (So 1.5 x a 2 minute<=
br>
&gt;track makes 3 minutes.)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;--<br>
&gt;Matt Davignon<br>
&gt;<a href=3D"mailto:mattdavignon@gmail.com">mattdavignon@gmail.com</a><br=
>
&gt;<a href=3D"http://www.ribosomemusic.com" target=3D"_blank">www.ribosome=
music.com</a><br>
&gt;Podcast! <a href=3D"http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com" target=3D"_blank=
">http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Rick Walker &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:loop=
pool@cruzio.com">looppool@cruzio.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;On 7/11/12 4:32 PM, Matt Davignon wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;One of my favorite things to do is to bring a<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;song down to half speed, then time-compress it to its original =
length.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;The song is totally recognizeable, but the rhythm gets noticeab=
ly<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;changed, due to the bits taken out.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;Cool creative technique, Matt.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;What software do you recommend for doing this, =A0Matt?<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;By the way, =A0there is an amazing piece of freeware software (I th=
ink it&#39;s<br>
&gt;&gt;called<br>
&gt;&gt;Paulstretch) for PCs that can radically stretch audio.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;I love playing a string instrument arpeggio or some tuned bells and=
 then<br>
&gt;&gt;stretch a 20 second phrase out to 3 or 4 minutes.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;It creates a beautiful, yet ever changing harmonically consonant am=
bient<br>
&gt;&gt;track.<br>
&gt;&gt;I wish there was something that could do this in real time, but I i=
magine it<br>
&gt;&gt;might be<br>
&gt;&gt;to CPU intensive to do this in real time.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;rick walker<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;ps =A0I read once that Richard James (aka Aphex Twin) was paid to d=
o a remix<br>
&gt;&gt;of Depeche Mode or some other famous band.........that he didn&#39;=
t like the<br>
&gt;&gt;song at all<br>
&gt;&gt;so he compressed it over and over until it was just a burst of nois=
e that he<br>
&gt;&gt;used as<br>
&gt;&gt;a backbeat and wrote his own track around it, submitting it as a &#=
39;remix&#39;.<br>
&gt;&gt;This cracked me up seriously.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><div>-- </d=
iv><div><a href=3D"http://jimgoodin.com" target=3D"_blank"><em>jimgoodin.co=
m</em></a> - &#39;Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minim=
alism&#39;</div>
<div>=A0</div><div><a href=3D"http://woodandwiremusic.bandcamp.com" target=
=3D"_blank"><em>The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music</em></a>=A0- &#39;Org=
anically inspired New Music&#39;</div><div>=A0</div><div><em><a href=3D"htt=
p://jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com" target=3D"_blank">From Brooklyn To Gl=
indran</a></em>, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin &amp; Peter =
Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from this CD will benefit <em><a href=3D"http://jdrf.o=
rg" target=3D"_blank">JDRF International</a></em></div>
<div><br><em><a href=3D"http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/tips-across-the-wate=
rs/id474128076?mt=3D8" target=3D"_blank">Tips Across the Waters</a></em>, a=
 new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.</div><br>

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hardware choices which i think will do what you want:=0AThe Digitech Jamman=
 stereo will do that,you can store backing tracks,your own loops etc.and th=
ere is a software called jammanager to make workflow easy=0Ait has,reverse,=
undo/redo and something like 99 slots to store wqhich you can easily scroll=
 through,i have it and=A0 thats plus its size is what was attractive for me=
=0A=0AThe new RC-300 is very good though,you can also store loops or back.t=
racks and it has 3 independent tracks which you can be of any length, stop =
and start independently undo,redo,reverse and pre or post fx=0A=0Ayou can a=
lso use it in "next track mode" to change between arrangments parts like wi=
th the echoplex "next loop" function=0Aand offcourse mic input,instr input,=
main outs and sub outs for monitor mix plus ann assignable exp pedal for in=
dependent volume control,fx etx. is big for a pedalboard though!=0A=0Acheer=
s=0ALuis=0A=0A=A0=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A__________=
______________________=0A From: Siobahn Hotaling <SIOBAHN@SIOBAHN.COM>=0ATo=
: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 4:5=
9 PM=0ASubject: Recommendations for a new loop pedal...=0A =0AHi there -=0A=
=0AI've used an Akai Headrush E2 for a couple of years for basic looping, b=
ut I'm looking to change my live set in ways that the Akai can't support...=
=0AI've pored over all of the specs of the various pedals out there and my =
head is spinning.=A0 =0AWould anyone be willing to give their suggestion fo=
r what would be best for the following:=0A=0A- I'm a singer/songwriter who =
primarily uses an acoustic guitar.=0A- My biggest need: I want to be able t=
o create drum loops prior to my shows to use as backup, so I want to be abl=
e to access different pre-recorded loops easily (sometimes 2 or 3 different=
 loops within a song) and turn each one on and off easily.=A0 I will also b=
e doing some on-the-fly vocal looping that I will need to be able to store =
and turn on and off as well.=A0 Optimally, I want to do all of this using j=
ust foot switches.=0A=0AI was looking at the Digitech Jamman Stereo or the =
Delay, but I don't know if either one will absolutely do what I need, or if=
 there is one that is better suited for that?=0AIf not, I am also open to g=
etting an Ipad and going the software route, or setting up my Macbook Pro a=
s well...=0A=0AThanks so much for any suggestions anyone has for me!
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>hardware c=
hoices which i think will do what you want:</span></div><div><span>The Digi=
tech Jamman stereo will do that,you can store backing tracks,your own loops=
 etc.and there is a software called jammanager to make workflow easy</span>=
</div><div><span>it has,reverse,undo/redo and something like 99 slots to st=
ore wqhich you can easily scroll through,i have it and&nbsp; thats plus its=
 size is what was attractive for me<br></span></div><div><span>The new RC-3=
00 is very good though,you can also store loops or back.tracks and it has 3=
 independent tracks which you can be of any length, stop and start independ=
ently undo,redo,reverse and pre or post fx<br></span></div><div><span>you c=
an also use it in "next track mode" to change between arrangments parts lik=
e with the echoplex "next loop" function</span></div><div><span>and
 offcourse mic input,instr input,main outs and sub outs for monitor mix plu=
s ann assignable exp pedal for independent volume control,fx etx. is big fo=
r a pedalboard though!<br></span></div><div><span>cheers</span></div><div><=
span>Luis<br></span></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>http://www.myspace.com/luis=
angulocom<br></div>  <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, =
times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman=
, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font face=
=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <hr size=3D"1">  <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;=
">From:</span></b> Siobahn Hotaling &lt;SIOBAHN@SIOBAHN.COM&gt;<br> <b><spa=
n style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delig=
ht.com <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesda=
y, July 11, 2012 4:59 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:=
</span></b> Recommendations for a new loop pedal...<br> </font> </div> <br>=
Hi there
 -<br><br>I've used an Akai Headrush E2 for a couple of years for basic loo=
ping, but I'm looking to change my live set in ways that the Akai can't sup=
port...<br>I've pored over all of the specs of the various pedals out there=
 and my head is spinning.&nbsp; <br>Would anyone be willing to give their s=
uggestion for what would be best for the following:<br><br>- I'm a singer/s=
ongwriter who primarily uses an acoustic guitar.<br>- My biggest need: I wa=
nt to be able to create drum loops prior to my shows to use as backup, so I=
 want to be able to access different pre-recorded loops easily (sometimes 2=
 or 3 different loops within a song) and turn each one on and off easily.&n=
bsp; I will also be doing some on-the-fly vocal looping that I will need to=
 be able to store and turn on and off as well.&nbsp; Optimally, I want to d=
o all of this using just foot switches.<br><br>I was looking at the Digitec=
h Jamman Stereo or the Delay, but I don't know if either one will
 absolutely do what I need, or if there is one that is better suited for th=
at?<br>If not, I am also open to getting an Ipad and going the software rou=
te, or setting up my Macbook Pro as well...<br><br>Thanks so much for any s=
uggestions anyone has for me!<br><br><br><br><br><br><br> </div> </div>  </=
div></body></html>
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GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY:                               http://wdiy.org
=======================================================================
Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the
month-long Special Focus on Radio Massacre International.  The Featured
CD at Midnight will be "Lost in Transit 2 - National Space Centre 2005"
on Northern Echo.

Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that
airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and
Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville
and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1
FM.  Listen at http://wdiy.org on the internet.

Note: The WDIY website has changed and the Galactic Travels portion is
gone.  I am working this issue.

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Hey Tyler, can't you set up an audio application to use the computer
system's built-in voice control? I have not tested that myself, so
this is just a wild idea... That in combination with a vast key
command setup could lead you quite far without the visual interface, I
guess.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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http://www.youtube.com/perboysen


On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Tyler <programmer651@comcast.net> wrote:
> I rarely have access to audio editing software, but when I do, it's Studio Recorder from APH
> (www.aph.org). APH is the American Printing House for the Blind. I'm one of very few blind
> loopers, but SR sure makes studio stuff easy. It can't do everything, though. I could jump on
> ol' Audacity for a while!

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Sorry to drift even further OT with this one, but I support criticism! I
think it's totally fine to say, "(blank's) music is shit", as long is
you're not just saying it to make (blank) feel bad. It's better to give
reasons why the music is shit, but in the case of TD, reasons why a bunch
of us don't like the newer stuff were already discussed.

There could be a good conversation about "the struggle for relevancy among
aging musicians" - not as a dig against olds, but it's a fascinating
phenomenon. Many rock and electronic musicians do their best work in their
20s and early 30s, then as they get older, either the music tastes change,
or the musicians tone down the elements that a lot of their audiences like.
Meanwhile, occasional musicians like Tom Waits do their best work when
they're older. The common theme I'm picking up is finding YOUR OWN thing
and taking the time to explore it fully.

I think a lot about how my music might sound to people 20 or 30 years from
now. If Tangerine Dream kept doing their 70s space music in the 80s and
90s, audiences would have drifted away from them at the time, but their
fans now would love those records.

I'm not saying that musicians shouldn't change and grow, but I think we've
seen enough now to be mindful about not getting swept up in things that are
only going to be popular for a couple of years. I almost cried when I heard
a Klause Schulze record from the 90s that sounded like standard
4-on-the-floor techno!

Btw, when you guys say TG, are you talking about Tangerine Gream? Because
TG is Throbbing Gristle to me.


-- 
Matt Davignon
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as long is you&#39;re not just saying it to make (blank) feel bad. It&#39;s=
 better to give reasons why the music is shit, but in the case of TD, reaso=
ns why a bunch of us don&#39;t like the newer stuff were already discussed.=
 <br>
<br>There could be a good conversation about &quot;the struggle for relevan=
cy among aging musicians&quot; - not as a dig against olds, but it&#39;s a =
fascinating phenomenon. Many rock and electronic musicians do their best wo=
rk in their 20s and early 30s, then as they get older, either the music tas=
tes change, or the musicians tone down the elements that a lot of their aud=
iences like. Meanwhile, occasional musicians like Tom Waits do their best w=
ork when they&#39;re older. The common theme I&#39;m picking up is finding =
YOUR OWN thing and taking the time to explore it fully. <br>
<br>I think a lot about how my music might sound to people 20 or 30 years f=
rom now. If Tangerine Dream kept doing their 70s space music in the 80s and=
 90s, audiences would have drifted away from them at the time, but their fa=
ns now would love those records. <br>
<br>I&#39;m not saying that musicians shouldn&#39;t change and grow, but I =
think we&#39;ve seen enough now to be mindful about not getting swept up in=
 things that are only going to be popular for a couple of years. I almost c=
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andard 4-on-the-floor techno!<br>
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> where you can type the path. Hit the tab to complete the text.

I know this is an old thread, but I just had to give a big shout out to Ed
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>> From: Ed Durbrow <edurbrow@sea.plala.or.jp>
>> In the Finder, if you want to type, type shift-cmd-G and you get go to
>> folder,
>> where you can type the path. Hit the tab to complete the text.

On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> wrote:
>
> I know this is an old thread, but I just had to give a big shout out to Ed
> for this tip.  You have no idea how happy this makes me.


In order to see (and maybe learn) all possible quick key commands in
Finder, read under the "Go" top drop-down menue.

My usual "finger waltz" for fast Mac navigation has two steps:
1) Hold down Command and hit TAB (for choosing Finder, switching
between active applications).
2) Hit the key combo for the window location you want to bring up.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Anyone know if this little beastie has feedback on its looper?
peace
g

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk


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Or if you really want to speed up your workflow, download quicksilver or Alf=
red!  Two clicks of my command key has me typing in folders, files or apps, e=
nter launches.=20

Or call me at 917.576.6166 (or text)

On Jul 13, 2012, at 3:16 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> From: Ed Durbrow <edurbrow@sea.plala.or.jp>
>>> In the Finder, if you want to type, type shift-cmd-G and you get go to
>>> folder,
>>> where you can type the path. Hit the tab to complete the text.
>=20
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> w=
rote:
>>=20
>> I know this is an old thread, but I just had to give a big shout out to E=
d
>> for this tip.  You have no idea how happy this makes me.
>=20
>=20
> In order to see (and maybe learn) all possible quick key commands in
> Finder, read under the "Go" top drop-down menue.
>=20
> My usual "finger waltz" for fast Mac navigation has two steps:
> 1) Hold down Command and hit TAB (for choosing Finder, switching
> between active applications).
> 2) Hit the key combo for the window location you want to bring up.
>=20
> Greetings from Sweden
>=20
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.com
> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
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So how does one eliminate the picture expanding then shrinking depending on=
 where/how you move the mouse? In Garage Band, I go for a parameter, the pi=
cture shrinks, I have to click to make it regrow, and when I move the mouse=
, it shrinks again. Click again, grow again, etc. I am stymied.
Rig=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Per Boysen <perboysen@=
gmail.com>=0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Friday, July =
13, 2012 12:16 PM=0ASubject: Re: Conversion to Mac!=0A=0A>> From: Ed Durbro=
w <edurbrow@sea.plala.or.jp>=0A>> In the Finder, if you want to type, type =
shift-cmd-G and you get go to=0A>> folder,=0A>> where you can type the path=
. Hit the tab to complete the text.=0A=0AOn Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 7:31 PM, J=
eff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> wrote:=0A>=0A> I know this is an old=
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You have no idea how happy this makes me.=0A=0A=0AIn order to see (and mayb=
e learn) all possible quick key commands in=0AFinder, read under the "Go" t=
op drop-down menue.=0A=0AMy usual "finger waltz" for fast Mac navigation ha=
s two steps:=0A1) Hold down Command and hit TAB (for choosing Finder, switc=
hing=0Abetween active applications).=0A2) Hit the key combo for the window =
location you want to bring up.=0A=0AGreetings from Sweden=0A=0APer Boysen=
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So how does one eliminate the picture expanding then shrinking depending on=
 where/how you move the mouse? In Garage Band, I go for a parameter, the pi=
cture shrinks, I have to click to make it regrow, and when I move the mouse=
, it shrinks again. Click again, grow again, etc. I am stymied.=0D<br />Rig=
<br>  <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; f=
ont-size: 12pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, tim=
es, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div  dir=3D"ltr" > <font size=3D"2" face=3D"=
Arial"> <hr size=3D"1">  <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span><=
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t: bold;">To:</span></b> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com <br> <b><span =
style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, July 13, 2012 12:16 P=
M<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Convers=
ion to Mac!<br> </font> </div> <br>=0A&gt;&gt; From: Ed Durbrow &lt;<a ymai=
lto=3D"mailto:edurbrow@sea.plala.or.jp" href=3D"mailto:edurbrow@sea.plala.o=
r.jp">edurbrow@sea.plala.or.jp</a>&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; In the Finder, if you wa=
nt to type, type shift-cmd-G and you get go to<BR>&gt;&gt; folder,<BR>&gt;&=
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n Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Jeff Larson &lt;<a ymailto=3D"mailto:jeff.l=
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but I just had to give a big shout out to Ed<BR>&gt; for this tip.&nbsp; Yo=
u have no idea how happy this makes me.<BR><BR><BR>In order to see (and may=
be learn) all possible quick key commands in<BR>Finder, read under the "Go"=
 top drop-down menue.<BR><BR>My usual "finger waltz" for fast Mac navigatio=
n has two steps:<BR>1) Hold down Command and hit TAB (for choosing Finder, =
switching<BR>between active
 applications).<BR>2) Hit the key combo for the window location you want to=
 bring up.<BR><BR>Greetings from Sweden<BR><BR>Per Boysen<BR><a target=3D"_=
blank" href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com">www.perboysen.com</a><BR>http://ww=
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I can't seem to dl the manual but I would bet top dollar that it does not.
It does have undo/redo but using it lowers the loop time to 20 sec.

Jeff


On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Gareth Whittock
<buddhamachine@live.co.uk>wrote:

>  Anyone know if this little beastie has feedback on its looper?
>
> peace
>
> g
>
> Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk
>
>
> >
>

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I can&#39;t seem to dl the manual but I would bet top dollar that it does n=
ot. It does have undo/redo but using it lowers the loop time to 20 sec. <br=
><br>Jeff<br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 4:2=
9 PM, Gareth Whittock <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:buddhamachine=
@live.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">buddhamachine@live.co.uk</a>&gt;</span> wrot=
e:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
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<div><div dir=3D"ltr">
Anyone know if this little beastie has feedback on its looper?<div><br></di=
v><div>peace</div><div><br></div><div>g<br><br>Gareth Whittock, sound artis=
t: <a href=3D"http://garethwhittock.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">garethwhittock=
.co.uk</a><br>
<br><div><div></div><br>&gt; <br></div></div> 		 	   		  </div></div>
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On 7/13/12 12:16 PM, Per Boysen wrote:
> My usual "finger waltz" for fast Mac navigation has two steps:
> 1) Hold down Command and hit TAB (for choosing Finder, switching
> between active applications).
> 2) Hit the key combo for the window location you want to bring up.

And, as I just discovered,  hold down the command key and then hold down 
the TAB key
and you get a looped animation of all things open, including the finder.

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      <pre wrap="">My usual "finger waltz" for fast Mac navigation has two steps:
1) Hold down Command and hit TAB (for choosing Finder, switching
between active applications).
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      And, as I just discovered,&nbsp; hold down the command key and then
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Hey, that makes me really happy. I'm the one usually asking for help, so =
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On Jul 14, 2012, at 2:31 AM, Jeff Larson wrote:

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>> for this tip.  You have no idea how happy this makes me.

Ed Durbrow
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I managed to download the manual after an absolute age  - guess what ? No f=
eedback..Ah well..

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

Date: Fri=2C 13 Jul 2012 17:17:19 -0400
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I can't seem to dl the manual but I would bet top dollar that it does not. =
It does have undo/redo but using it lowers the loop time to 20 sec.=20

Jeff


On Fri=2C Jul 13=2C 2012 at 4:29 PM=2C Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.=
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Anyone know if this little beastie has feedback on its looper?
peace
g

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Oh... and HEY, be sure to use Expos=C3=A9! If you're not already using it.
I use to control it by a hot-screen-corner so it's just one swipe over
the touch pad to see all open documents or folders lined up on display
and then you click in the one you want to "go to".

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen


On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 2:38 AM, Ed Durbrow <edurbrow@sea.plala.or.jp> wrot=
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> Hey, that makes me really happy. I'm the one usually asking for help, so =
I'm
> thrilled to be able to pass along something.
>
> On Jul 14, 2012, at 2:31 AM, Jeff Larson wrote:
>
> I know this is an old thread, but I just had to give a big shout out to E=
d
>
> for this tip.  You have no idea how happy this makes me.
>
>
> Ed Durbrow
> Saitama, Japan
> http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=3Dwatch
> http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
> edurbrow@sea.plala.or.jp
>
>
>

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Lets keep in mind that "looping" is not synonymous with "livelooping.

andy

Matthias Grob wrote:
> Tyler,
> we are about to lounch the new version of livelooping.org 
> <http://livelooping.org>
> its not "blogger stuff"
> maybe you can connect a wiki to expand it?
> Bernhard started one years ago:
> http://livelooping.wikispaces.com/

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I've been using mobius for a year now and can rarely remember having sny
problems with it. However it seems to be looping weird all the sudden. For
example I will play one bar  of a drum beat then hit the record button the
second time to truncate the loop and i make sure i hit it in time but then
there is some sort of looping lag. The first time it loopcycles it sounds
rhythmically different than the repeats afterwards.

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<p>I&#39;ve been using mobius for a year now and can rarely remember having=
 sny problems with it. However it seems to be looping weird all the sudden.=
 For example I will play one bar=A0 of a drum beat then hit the record butt=
on the second time to truncate the loop and i make sure i hit it in time bu=
t then there is some sort of looping lag. The first time it loopcycles it s=
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http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels?playlist_date=07-12-2012

<a href="http://galactictravels.info">Galactic Travels</a> is an 
electronic, ambient, and space music show, that
airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem,
PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville
and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet.  WDIY also broadcasts
in Digital HD at 88.1 FM.

                 Show #797                July 12, 2012.

WDIY Playlist: 
http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels?playlist_date=07-12-2012

RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Radio Masacre
International.  The Featured CD at Midnight was "Lost in Transit 2 -
National Space Centre 2005" on Northern Echo.


PLAYLIST:

11:04 pm
ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Kevin Braheny        Starflight 1 *       Galaxies (Hearts of Space)
Broekhuis, Keller,   Red One              Red (Manikin)
   and Schonwalder
VA [Rainbow Serpent] Improvised Music     Second Decade 2002 - 2012
                                             (Manikin)
Monty Adkins         Entangled Symmetries Four Shibusa (Audiobulb)


12:00 am
ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Radio Massacre       I                    Lost in Transit 2 - The
   International                             National Space Centre 2005
                                             (Northern Echo)
Radio Massacre       II                   Lost in Transit 2 - The
   International                             National Space Centre 2005
                                             (Northern Echo)
Radio Massacre       III                  Lost in Transit 2 - The
   International                             National Space Centre 2005
                                             (Northern Echo)


1:00 am

  * = excerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
++ = Advance CDR from Artist
-- = Background music under interview


NEXT SHOW:
On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on
Radio Massacre International.  The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Lost
in Transit 3 - National Space Centre 2006" on Northern Echo.

Bill
========================================================================
Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show,
Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and
Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in
Trexlertown and Fogelsville.  WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio
on 88.1 FM.
Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info (temporarily down)
Temporary Home: http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels
Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org on-line.

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i seem to miss this every week. How can i tune into this from Calfornia?
On Jul 14, 2012 6:36 AM, "Bill Fox" <billyfox@soundscapes.us> wrote:

> http://wdiy.org/programs/**galactic-travels?playlist_**date=07-12-2012<http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels?playlist_date=07-12-2012>
>
> <a href="http://galactictravels.**info <http://galactictravels.info>">Galactic
> Travels</a> is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that
> airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem,
> PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville
> and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet.  WDIY also broadcasts
> in Digital HD at 88.1 FM.
>
>                 Show #797                July 12, 2012.
>
> WDIY Playlist: http://wdiy.org/programs/**galactic-travels?playlist_**
> date=07-12-2012<http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels?playlist_date=07-12-2012>
>
> RECAP:
> On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Radio Masacre
> International.  The Featured CD at Midnight was "Lost in Transit 2 -
> National Space Centre 2005" on Northern Echo.
>
>
> PLAYLIST:
>
> 11:04 pm
> ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
> ==================== ==================== ==============================
> Kevin Braheny        Starflight 1 *       Galaxies (Hearts of Space)
> Broekhuis, Keller,   Red One              Red (Manikin)
>   and Schonwalder
> VA [Rainbow Serpent] Improvised Music     Second Decade 2002 - 2012
>                                             (Manikin)
> Monty Adkins         Entangled Symmetries Four Shibusa (Audiobulb)
>
>
> 12:00 am
> ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
> ==================== ==================== ==============================
> Radio Massacre       I                    Lost in Transit 2 - The
>   International                             National Space Centre 2005
>                                             (Northern Echo)
> Radio Massacre       II                   Lost in Transit 2 - The
>   International                             National Space Centre 2005
>                                             (Northern Echo)
> Radio Massacre       III                  Lost in Transit 2 - The
>   International                             National Space Centre 2005
>                                             (Northern Echo)
>
>
> 1:00 am
>
>  * = excerpt
> VA = Various Artists (compilation)
> ++ = Advance CDR from Artist
> -- = Background music under interview
>
>
> NEXT SHOW:
> On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on
> Radio Massacre International.  The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Lost
> in Transit 3 - National Space Centre 2006" on Northern Echo.
>
> Bill
> ==============================**==============================**
> ============
> Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show,
> Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and
> Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in
> Trexlertown and Fogelsville.  WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio
> on 88.1 FM.
> Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info (temporarily down)
> Temporary Home: http://wdiy.org/programs/**galactic-travels<http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels>
> Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org on-line.
>
>

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<p>i seem to miss this every week. How can i tune into this from Calfornia?=
</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jul 14, 2012 6:36 AM, &quot;Bill Fox&quot; &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:billyfox@soundscapes.us">billyfox@soundscapes.us</a>&gt=
; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<a href=3D"http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels?playlist_date=3D07-12-=
2012" target=3D"_blank">http://wdiy.org/programs/<u></u>galactic-travels?pl=
aylist_<u></u>date=3D07-12-2012</a><br>
<br>
&lt;a href=3D&quot;<a href=3D"http://galactictravels.info" target=3D"_blank=
">http://galactictravels.<u></u>info</a>&quot;&gt;Galactic Travels&lt;/a&gt=
; is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that<br>
airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem,<br=
>
PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville<br>
and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. =A0WDIY also broadcasts<br=
>
in Digital HD at 88.1 FM.<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Show #797 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Ju=
ly 12, 2012.<br>
<br>
WDIY Playlist: <a href=3D"http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels?playlis=
t_date=3D07-12-2012" target=3D"_blank">http://wdiy.org/programs/<u></u>gala=
ctic-travels?playlist_<u></u>date=3D07-12-2012</a><br>
<br>
RECAP:<br>
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Radio Masacre<br>
International. =A0The Featured CD at Midnight was &quot;Lost in Transit 2 -=
<br>
National Space Centre 2005&quot; on Northern Echo.<br>
<br>
<br>
PLAYLIST:<br>
<br>
11:04 pm<br>
ARTIST =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 TRACK =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0ALB=
UM (label)<br>
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br>
Kevin Braheny =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Starflight 1 * =A0 =A0 =A0 Galaxies (Hearts of=
 Space)<br>
Broekhuis, Keller, =A0 Red One =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Red (Manikin)<br>
=A0 and Schonwalder<br>
VA [Rainbow Serpent] Improvised Music =A0 =A0 Second Decade 2002 - 2012<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=
 =A0 =A0 =A0 (Manikin)<br>
Monty Adkins =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Entangled Symmetries Four Shibusa (Audiobulb)<=
br>
<br>
<br>
12:00 am<br>
ARTIST =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 TRACK =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0ALB=
UM (label)<br>
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br>
Radio Massacre =A0 =A0 =A0 I =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Lost in=
 Transit 2 - The<br>
=A0 International =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 N=
ational Space Centre 2005<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=
 =A0 =A0 =A0 (Northern Echo)<br>
Radio Massacre =A0 =A0 =A0 II =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Lost in T=
ransit 2 - The<br>
=A0 International =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 N=
ational Space Centre 2005<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=
 =A0 =A0 =A0 (Northern Echo)<br>
Radio Massacre =A0 =A0 =A0 III =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Lost in T=
ransit 2 - The<br>
=A0 International =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 N=
ational Space Centre 2005<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=
 =A0 =A0 =A0 (Northern Echo)<br>
<br>
<br>
1:00 am<br>
<br>
=A0* =3D excerpt<br>
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)<br>
++ =3D Advance CDR from Artist<br>
-- =3D Background music under interview<br>
<br>
<br>
NEXT SHOW:<br>
On the next Galactic Travels, I&#39;ll continue the month-long focus on<br>
Radio Massacre International. =A0The Featured CD at Midnight will be &quot;=
Lost<br>
in Transit 3 - National Space Centre 2006&quot; on Northern Echo.<br>
<br>
Bill<br>
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t you gonna say but no, i dont want to install windows on my imac;-)</span>=
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decided to share what i did when i was bored yesterday.

i was on TGP (the gear page) looking something up, and saw that some
digitech rep had asked for folks to fill out some survey. so i did, i was
hoping
that it would have some "comments welcome" at the end, but it didn't. but
they did post their email for support (which i'm sure is on their website,
but
since i only have a DL8 and not one of their multieffects units, i don't
check their website much....). anyway, i figured i post many messages to
this site and to TGP begging digitech to put out some better delay that is
similar to their old pds8000 (for the pitchshifting varispeed stuff that
bill frisell used to do).
i figured bill frisell probably doesn't email them asking for them to do
this (although he should), i figured i'd do it. i doubt i have any weight
in the world,
but it's worth a shot.

this is what i sent yesterday:

dear digitech-
i have posted similar things on the loopers-delight.com and thegearpage
websites (as an open letter).
i decided to just send you an email directly. i filled out some survey
thing you had, hoping it had some comments at the end, but it didn't.

i'm writing to ask/beg/implore you to reissue or make some new variation of
the

digitech pds8000 delay-this would be the one that the guitarist bill
frisell used to use in the past to great effect.
or the
lexicon pcm 42 -that david torn uses still (for 30+ yrs, his is modded to
have 20 sec of delay)

Both of these delays hold the notes w/in the delay and you could modulate
the time from fast to slow or slow to fast (raise or lowers pitch)

i currently have your digitech dl8-and i like it for it's 8 sec of delay (i
don't use the loop function, that's a joke to me), but i honestly wish it
would do what the
pds8000  or the pcm 42 could do.

i know that you have the various new versions of the jamman pedals
out-which honestly is also a joke i think. i'm tired of creating static
loops. i am a person
who likes to manipulate the loops and mess w/ time.

heck, if you want to make it like the old electro harmonix 16ddl and add
reverse to the delay, that would be awesome also! but i won't shoot for the
moon. (B Frisell also used that)

i don't know what chip is in the pds8000, but it would be great if you
could make that or some version of it again.
stop putting out all these delays that when you just manipulate the time,
it just kind of slurs or warps the sound, but the original info is not
really there.

i know you seem to be moving into the IPAD version of effects, but
honestly, the pds8000 which came out in the late 80s or early 90s, to me
seems like a better device.

maybe you could make it as some type of NEW DELAY BASED LOOPER-sort of like
the pds8000 or the lexicon pcm 42-that would be perfect.

please note that i am not a famous or great guitarist like the 2 i've
mentioned, i'm just a guitarist who likes to use delay based loopers, and
am sick of all the phrase sampler loopers that
get released that really don't do anything except static loops.
thanks,
Scott Hansen

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<div>decided to share what i did when i was bored yesterday.</div><div>=A0<=
/div><div>i was on TGP (the gear page) looking something up, and saw that s=
ome digitech rep had asked for folks to fill out some survey. so i did, i w=
as hoping</div>
<div>that it would have some &quot;comments welcome&quot; at the end, but i=
t didn&#39;t. but they did post their email for support (which i&#39;m sure=
 is on their website, but</div><div>since i only have a DL8 and not one of =
their multieffects units, i don&#39;t check their website much....). anyway=
, i figured i post many messages to </div>
<div>this site and to TGP begging digitech to put out some better delay tha=
t is similar to their old pds8000 (for the pitchshifting varispeed stuff th=
at bill frisell used to do).</div><div>i figured bill frisell probably does=
n&#39;t email them asking for them to do this (although he should), i figur=
ed i&#39;d do it. i doubt i have any weight in the world,</div>
<div>but it&#39;s worth a shot.</div><div>=A0</div><div>this is what i sent=
 yesterday:</div><div>=A0</div><div>dear digitech-</div><div>i have posted =
similar things on the <a href=3D"http://loopers-delight.com">loopers-deligh=
t.com</a> and thegearpage websites (as an open letter).</div>
<div>i decided to just send you an email directly. i filled out some survey=
 thing you had, hoping it had some comments at the end, but it didn&#39;t.<=
/div><div>=A0</div><div>i&#39;m writing to ask/beg/implore you to reissue o=
r make some new variation of the </div>
<div>=A0</div><div>digitech pds8000 delay-this would be the one that the gu=
itarist bill frisell used to use in the past to great effect.</div><div>or =
the </div><div>lexicon pcm 42 -that david torn uses still (for 30+ yrs, his=
 is modded to have 20 sec of delay)</div>
<div>=A0</div><div>Both of these delays hold the notes w/in the delay and y=
ou could modulate the time from fast to slow or slow to fast (raise or lowe=
rs pitch)</div><div>=A0</div><div>i currently have your digitech dl8-and i =
like it for it&#39;s 8 sec of delay (i don&#39;t use the loop function, tha=
t&#39;s a joke to me), but i honestly wish it would do what the</div>
<div>pds8000=A0 or the pcm 42 could do.</div><div>=A0</div><div>i know that=
 you have the various new versions of the jamman pedals out-which honestly =
is also a joke i think. i&#39;m tired of creating static loops. i am a pers=
on</div>
<div>who likes to manipulate the loops and mess w/ time.</div><div>=A0</div=
><div>heck, if you want to make it like the old electro harmonix 16ddl and =
add reverse to the delay, that would be awesome also! but i won&#39;t shoot=
 for the moon. (B Frisell also used that)</div>
<div>=A0</div><div>i don&#39;t know what chip is in the pds8000, but it wou=
ld be great if you could make that or some version of it again.</div><div>s=
top putting out all these delays that when you just manipulate the time, it=
 just kind of slurs or warps the sound, but the original info is not really=
 there.</div>
<div>=A0</div><div>i know you seem to be moving into the IPAD version of ef=
fects, but honestly, the pds8000 which came out in the late 80s or early 90=
s, to me seems like a better device.</div><div>=A0</div><div>maybe you coul=
d make it as some type of NEW DELAY BASED LOOPER-sort of like the pds8000 o=
r the lexicon pcm 42-that would be perfect.</div>
<div>=A0</div><div>please note that i am not a famous or great guitarist li=
ke the 2 i&#39;ve mentioned, i&#39;m just a guitarist who likes to use dela=
y based loopers, and am sick of all the phrase sampler loopers that </div>
<div>get released that really don&#39;t do anything except static loops.</d=
iv><div>thanks,</div><div>Scott Hansen</div>

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Wondering if anyone has ever had this odd issue with a Boss TU2 tuner- =
When the pedal is engaged it mutes the signal as it's supposed to, but =
it cannot read the signal to register an accurate pitch.  The LED is =
flashing all over the place, chromatically speaking, but never "hears" =
the pitch I know I am at least close to.

Stereo signal of two pickups is coming out of an acoustic guitar to a =
Fishman Blender, then mono to a Line 6 POD X3 Live, then mono out to the =
tuner.  This happened last night at a gig, and though I was able to =
perform, it was pretty distracting.  Now at home, of course, it will not =
duplicate and is working fine.  I worked with it for some time =
afterwards last night, and it seemed as it the issue had to do with the =
"mix" mono output from the Fishman Blender.  When I tried coming out one =
of the Blender's single outputs, the tuner seemed to work.

Pretty good dimmer buzz was present at venue.  Is it possible that could =
have effected the signal to the point that it freaked out the tuner?

In over 35 years of performing, this is a new one to me.
Thanks,
John=

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here is my two sense: i used to be extreme-some guitarers still are-but they keep their tuner out of the audio path-always the best way to go for clarity. second is to make the tuner thee 1st in your signal path-for the second most clear path-that way it gets a clean pitch to work w/.


-----Original Message-----
>From: john floridis <john@johnfloridis.com>
>Sent: Jul 15, 2012 5:11 PM
>To: Delight Loopers <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>Subject: Boss TU2 wierdness
>
>Wondering if anyone has ever had this odd issue with a Boss TU2 tuner- When the pedal is engaged it mutes the signal as it's supposed to, but it cannot read the signal to register an accurate pitch.  The LED is flashing all over the place, chromatically speaking, but never "hears" the pitch I know I am at least close to.
>
>Stereo signal of two pickups is coming out of an acoustic guitar to a Fishman Blender, then mono to a Line 6 POD X3 Live, then mono out to the tuner.  This happened last night at a gig, and though I was able to perform, it was pretty distracting.  Now at home, of course, it will not duplicate and is working fine.  I worked with it for some time afterwards last night, and it seemed as it the issue had to do with the "mix" mono output from the Fishman Blender.  When I tried coming out one of the Blender's single outputs, the tuner seemed to work.
>
>Pretty good dimmer buzz was present at venue.  Is it possible that could have effected the signal to the point that it freaked out the tuner?
>
>In over 35 years of performing, this is a new one to me.
>Thanks,
>John

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Totally agree, though since I'm completely computer based these days, I'd
love to see a pds8000 vst effect.

I love the PSP 42 vst, but if it had 20 seconds of delay I'd use it a lot
more!

On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com> wrote:

> decided to share what i did when i was bored yesterday.
>
> i was on TGP (the gear page) looking something up, and saw that some
> digitech rep had asked for folks to fill out some survey. so i did, i was
> hoping
> that it would have some "comments welcome" at the end, but it didn't. but
> they did post their email for support (which i'm sure is on their website,
> but
> since i only have a DL8 and not one of their multieffects units, i don't
> check their website much....). anyway, i figured i post many messages to
> this site and to TGP begging digitech to put out some better delay that is
> similar to their old pds8000 (for the pitchshifting varispeed stuff that
> bill frisell used to do).
> i figured bill frisell probably doesn't email them asking for them to do
> this (although he should), i figured i'd do it. i doubt i have any weight
> in the world,
> but it's worth a shot.
>
> this is what i sent yesterday:
>
> dear digitech-
> i have posted similar things on the loopers-delight.com and thegearpage
> websites (as an open letter).
> i decided to just send you an email directly. i filled out some survey
> thing you had, hoping it had some comments at the end, but it didn't.
>
> i'm writing to ask/beg/implore you to reissue or make some new variation
> of the
>
> digitech pds8000 delay-this would be the one that the guitarist bill
> frisell used to use in the past to great effect.
> or the
> lexicon pcm 42 -that david torn uses still (for 30+ yrs, his is modded to
> have 20 sec of delay)
>
> Both of these delays hold the notes w/in the delay and you could modulate
> the time from fast to slow or slow to fast (raise or lowers pitch)
>
> i currently have your digitech dl8-and i like it for it's 8 sec of delay
> (i don't use the loop function, that's a joke to me), but i honestly wish
> it would do what the
> pds8000  or the pcm 42 could do.
>
> i know that you have the various new versions of the jamman pedals
> out-which honestly is also a joke i think. i'm tired of creating static
> loops. i am a person
> who likes to manipulate the loops and mess w/ time.
>
> heck, if you want to make it like the old electro harmonix 16ddl and add
> reverse to the delay, that would be awesome also! but i won't shoot for the
> moon. (B Frisell also used that)
>
> i don't know what chip is in the pds8000, but it would be great if you
> could make that or some version of it again.
> stop putting out all these delays that when you just manipulate the time,
> it just kind of slurs or warps the sound, but the original info is not
> really there.
>
> i know you seem to be moving into the IPAD version of effects, but
> honestly, the pds8000 which came out in the late 80s or early 90s, to me
> seems like a better device.
>
> maybe you could make it as some type of NEW DELAY BASED LOOPER-sort of
> like the pds8000 or the lexicon pcm 42-that would be perfect.
>
> please note that i am not a famous or great guitarist like the 2 i've
> mentioned, i'm just a guitarist who likes to use delay based loopers, and
> am sick of all the phrase sampler loopers that
> get released that really don't do anything except static loops.
> thanks,
> Scott Hansen
>



-- 
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Totally agree, though since I&#39;m completely computer based these days, I=
&#39;d love to see a pds8000 vst effect.=A0<div><br></div><div>I love the P=
SP 42 vst, but if it had 20 seconds of delay I&#39;d use it a lot more!<br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Scott Hanse=
n <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:evanpeewee@gmail.com" target=3D"_=
blank">evanpeewee@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex">
<div>decided to share what i did when i was bored yesterday.</div><div>=A0<=
/div><div>i was on TGP (the gear page) looking something up, and saw that s=
ome digitech rep had asked for folks to fill out some survey. so i did, i w=
as hoping</div>

<div>that it would have some &quot;comments welcome&quot; at the end, but i=
t didn&#39;t. but they did post their email for support (which i&#39;m sure=
 is on their website, but</div><div>since i only have a DL8 and not one of =
their multieffects units, i don&#39;t check their website much....). anyway=
, i figured i post many messages to </div>

<div>this site and to TGP begging digitech to put out some better delay tha=
t is similar to their old pds8000 (for the pitchshifting varispeed stuff th=
at bill frisell used to do).</div><div>i figured bill frisell probably does=
n&#39;t email them asking for them to do this (although he should), i figur=
ed i&#39;d do it. i doubt i have any weight in the world,</div>

<div>but it&#39;s worth a shot.</div><div>=A0</div><div>this is what i sent=
 yesterday:</div><div>=A0</div><div>dear digitech-</div><div>i have posted =
similar things on the <a href=3D"http://loopers-delight.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">loopers-delight.com</a> and thegearpage websites (as an open letter).</=
div>

<div>i decided to just send you an email directly. i filled out some survey=
 thing you had, hoping it had some comments at the end, but it didn&#39;t.<=
/div><div>=A0</div><div>i&#39;m writing to ask/beg/implore you to reissue o=
r make some new variation of the </div>

<div>=A0</div><div>digitech pds8000 delay-this would be the one that the gu=
itarist bill frisell used to use in the past to great effect.</div><div>or =
the </div><div>lexicon pcm 42 -that david torn uses still (for 30+ yrs, his=
 is modded to have 20 sec of delay)</div>

<div>=A0</div><div>Both of these delays hold the notes w/in the delay and y=
ou could modulate the time from fast to slow or slow to fast (raise or lowe=
rs pitch)</div><div>=A0</div><div>i currently have your digitech dl8-and i =
like it for it&#39;s 8 sec of delay (i don&#39;t use the loop function, tha=
t&#39;s a joke to me), but i honestly wish it would do what the</div>

<div>pds8000=A0 or the pcm 42 could do.</div><div>=A0</div><div>i know that=
 you have the various new versions of the jamman pedals out-which honestly =
is also a joke i think. i&#39;m tired of creating static loops. i am a pers=
on</div>

<div>who likes to manipulate the loops and mess w/ time.</div><div>=A0</div=
><div>heck, if you want to make it like the old electro harmonix 16ddl and =
add reverse to the delay, that would be awesome also! but i won&#39;t shoot=
 for the moon. (B Frisell also used that)</div>

<div>=A0</div><div>i don&#39;t know what chip is in the pds8000, but it wou=
ld be great if you could make that or some version of it again.</div><div>s=
top putting out all these delays that when you just manipulate the time, it=
 just kind of slurs or warps the sound, but the original info is not really=
 there.</div>

<div>=A0</div><div>i know you seem to be moving into the IPAD version of ef=
fects, but honestly, the pds8000 which came out in the late 80s or early 90=
s, to me seems like a better device.</div><div>=A0</div><div>maybe you coul=
d make it as some type of NEW DELAY BASED LOOPER-sort of like the pds8000 o=
r the lexicon pcm 42-that would be perfect.</div>

<div>=A0</div><div>please note that i am not a famous or great guitarist li=
ke the 2 i&#39;ve mentioned, i&#39;m just a guitarist who likes to use dela=
y based loopers, and am sick of all the phrase sampler loopers that </div>

<div>get released that really don&#39;t do anything except static loops.</d=
iv><div>thanks,</div><div>Scott Hansen</div>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Art Simon<br=
><a href=3D"mailto:simart@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">simart@gmail.com</a>=
<br><br>
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Art are you PC or mac based?

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

Date: Sun=2C 15 Jul 2012 21:48:55 -0700
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ooper)
From: simart@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Totally agree=2C though since I'm completely computer based these days=2C I=
'd love to see a pds8000 vst effect.=20
I love the PSP 42 vst=2C but if it had 20 seconds of delay I'd use it a lot=
 more!


On Sun=2C Jul 15=2C 2012 at 4:20 PM=2C Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com> =
wrote:

decided to share what i did when i was bored yesterday. i was on TGP (the g=
ear page) looking something up=2C and saw that some digitech rep had asked =
for folks to fill out some survey. so i did=2C i was hoping

that it would have some "comments welcome" at the end=2C but it didn't. but=
 they did post their email for support (which i'm sure is on their website=
=2C butsince i only have a DL8 and not one of their multieffects units=2C i=
 don't check their website much....). anyway=2C i figured i post many messa=
ges to=20

this site and to TGP begging digitech to put out some better delay that is =
similar to their old pds8000 (for the pitchshifting varispeed stuff that bi=
ll frisell used to do).i figured bill frisell probably doesn't email them a=
sking for them to do this (although he should)=2C i figured i'd do it. i do=
ubt i have any weight in the world=2C

but it's worth a shot. this is what i sent yesterday: dear digitech-i have =
posted similar things on the loopers-delight.com and thegearpage websites (=
as an open letter).

i decided to just send you an email directly. i filled out some survey thin=
g you had=2C hoping it had some comments at the end=2C but it didn't. i'm w=
riting to ask/beg/implore you to reissue or make some new variation of the=
=20

 digitech pds8000 delay-this would be the one that the guitarist bill frise=
ll used to use in the past to great effect.or the lexicon pcm 42 -that davi=
d torn uses still (for 30+ yrs=2C his is modded to have 20 sec of delay)

 Both of these delays hold the notes w/in the delay and you could modulate =
the time from fast to slow or slow to fast (raise or lowers pitch) i curren=
tly have your digitech dl8-and i like it for it's 8 sec of delay (i don't u=
se the loop function=2C that's a joke to me)=2C but i honestly wish it woul=
d do what the

pds8000  or the pcm 42 could do. i know that you have the various new versi=
ons of the jamman pedals out-which honestly is also a joke i think. i'm tir=
ed of creating static loops. i am a person

who likes to manipulate the loops and mess w/ time. heck=2C if you want to =
make it like the old electro harmonix 16ddl and add reverse to the delay=2C=
 that would be awesome also! but i won't shoot for the moon. (B Frisell als=
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 i don't know what chip is in the pds8000=2C but it would be great if you c=
ould make that or some version of it again.stop putting out all these delay=
s that when you just manipulate the time=2C it just kind of slurs or warps =
the sound=2C but the original info is not really there.

 i know you seem to be moving into the IPAD version of effects=2C but hones=
tly=2C the pds8000 which came out in the late 80s or early 90s=2C to me see=
ms like a better device. maybe you could make it as some type of NEW DELAY =
BASED LOOPER-sort of like the pds8000 or the lexicon pcm 42-that would be p=
erfect.

 please note that i am not a famous or great guitarist like the 2 i've ment=
ioned=2C i'm just a guitarist who likes to use delay based loopers=2C and a=
m sick of all the phrase sampler loopers that=20

get released that really don't do anything except static loops.thanks=2CSco=
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m<br>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br><br>Totally agree=2C though=
 since I'm completely computer based these days=2C I'd love to see a pds800=
0 vst effect.&nbsp=3B<div><br></div><div>I love the PSP 42 vst=2C but if it=
 had 20 seconds of delay I'd use it a lot more!<br>
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ott Hansen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=3B<a href=3D"mailto:evanpeewee@gmail.com">=
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<div>decided to share what i did when i was bored yesterday.</div><div>&nbs=
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id=2C i was hoping</div>

<div>that it would have some "comments welcome" at the end=2C but it didn't=
. but they did post their email for support (which i'm sure is on their web=
site=2C but</div><div>since i only have a DL8 and not one of their multieff=
ects units=2C i don't check their website much....). anyway=2C i figured i =
post many messages to </div>

<div>this site and to TGP begging digitech to put out some better delay tha=
t is similar to their old pds8000 (for the pitchshifting varispeed stuff th=
at bill frisell used to do).</div><div>i figured bill frisell probably does=
n't email them asking for them to do this (although he should)=2C i figured=
 i'd do it. i doubt i have any weight in the world=2C</div>

<div>but it's worth a shot.</div><div>&nbsp=3B</div><div>this is what i sen=
t yesterday:</div><div>&nbsp=3B</div><div>dear digitech-</div><div>i have p=
osted similar things on the <a href=3D"http://loopers-delight.com" target=
=3D"_blank">loopers-delight.com</a> and thegearpage websites (as an open le=
tter).</div>

<div>i decided to just send you an email directly. i filled out some survey=
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/div><div>&nbsp=3B</div><div>i'm writing to ask/beg/implore you to reissue =
or make some new variation of the </div>

<div>&nbsp=3B</div><div>digitech pds8000 delay-this would be the one that t=
he guitarist bill frisell used to use in the past to great effect.</div><di=
v>or the </div><div>lexicon pcm 42 -that david torn uses still (for 30+ yrs=
=2C his is modded to have 20 sec of delay)</div>

<div>&nbsp=3B</div><div>Both of these delays hold the notes w/in the delay =
and you could modulate the time from fast to slow or slow to fast (raise or=
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dl8-and i like it for it's 8 sec of delay (i don't use the loop function=2C=
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<div>pds8000&nbsp=3B or the pcm 42 could do.</div><div>&nbsp=3B</div><div>i=
 know that you have the various new versions of the jamman pedals out-which=
 honestly is also a joke i think. i'm tired of creating static loops. i am =
a person</div>

<div>who likes to manipulate the loops and mess w/ time.</div><div>&nbsp=3B=
</div><div>heck=2C if you want to make it like the old electro harmonix 16d=
dl and add reverse to the delay=2C that would be awesome also! but i won't =
shoot for the moon. (B Frisell also used that)</div>

<div>&nbsp=3B</div><div>i don't know what chip is in the pds8000=2C but it =
would be great if you could make that or some version of it again.</div><di=
v>stop putting out all these delays that when you just manipulate the time=
=2C it just kind of slurs or warps the sound=2C but the original info is no=
t really there.</div>

<div>&nbsp=3B</div><div>i know you seem to be moving into the IPAD version =
of effects=2C but honestly=2C the pds8000 which came out in the late 80s or=
 early 90s=2C to me seems like a better device.</div><div>&nbsp=3B</div><di=
v>maybe you could make it as some type of NEW DELAY BASED LOOPER-sort of li=
ke the pds8000 or the lexicon pcm 42-that would be perfect.</div>

<div>&nbsp=3B</div><div>please note that i am not a famous or great guitari=
st like the 2 i've mentioned=2C i'm just a guitarist who likes to use delay=
 based loopers=2C and am sick of all the phrase sampler loopers that </div>

<div>get released that really don't do anything except static loops.</div><=
div>thanks=2C</div><div>Scott Hansen</div>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Art Simon<br=
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On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 6:48 AM, Art Simon <simart@gmail.com> wrote:
> I love the PSP 42 vst, but if it had 20 seconds of delay I'd use it a lot
> more!


Hi Art,

I too am a big fan of the PSP 42 but so far I have not been able to
run it without crashing the host (Ableton Live in this case). Didn't
you experience that bug?

I like to run the PSP 42 to mangle sound before a looper that can
snatch longer loops (like several minutes on instant demand like with
Augustus Loop and Mobius).

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen

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No idea. As far as I know=2C from the manual received and from a short emai=
l interchange with Mike (which never commented my suggestions -among which =
also a midi sync) I would say no.
Something which I really really really really really really miss in the Ran=
g is a "pause" function.I can only play or stop a loop. So=2C in Sync mode=
=2C if I stop a loop then when I restart it it must wait the master loop to=
 start from the beginning=2C which I guess is why Mike says that it is bett=
er to have a short master. THe problem is worse when I stop loop 3=2C then =
supposing I have number 2 and 1 playing=2C and I stop 1=2C then if I want t=
o restart 1 or 3 they must wait the 2 to begins again (and if 2 is long=2C =
that is very annoying).My idea is that it should be possible to pause (or M=
UTE) one or all loops=2C so that they keep playing but no sound comes out=
=2C and when you unmute them=2C they are still perfectly synced.THis is ver=
y cool for lot of things which maybe some of you do not use=2C but I use th=
e looper mostly to do things like Bauchklang (ook for them in youtube and s=
oundcloud)=2C a beatbox band which make techno electro music live=2C just w=
ith the voice. I LOVE THEM=2C and it is two times that I have the honour to=
 jam with them on stage during their concerts here. I can't beatbox like th=
em but I can sing overtones quite well and the pubblic get crazy. :)So=2C f=
or that kind of music=2C it is important the speed of pause/restart.Maybe o=
ne day I will need other tools.Now I am poor and unsatisfied with my job=2C=
 so=2C I must go ahead with what I have.
Bye!

From: buddhamachine@live.co.uk
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet?
Date: Mon=2C 16 Jul 2012 04:58:53 +0000





Anyone know if MIDI sync has been implemented yet? There was some talk of s=
omething being ready "in a couple of weeks" back in March..
peace

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk



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No idea. As far as I know=2C from the manual received and from a short emai=
l interchange with Mike (which never commented my suggestions -among which =
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n.</div><div>I can only play or stop a loop. So=2C in Sync mode=2C if I sto=
p a loop then when I restart it it must wait the master loop to start from =
the beginning=2C which I guess is why Mike says that it is better to have a=
 short master. THe problem is worse when I stop loop 3=2C then supposing I =
have number 2 and 1 playing=2C and I stop 1=2C then if I want to restart 1 =
or 3 they must wait the 2 to begins again (and if 2 is long=2C that is very=
 annoying).</div><div>My idea is that it should be possible to pause (or MU=
TE) one or all loops=2C so that they keep playing but no sound comes out=2C=
 and when you unmute them=2C they are still perfectly synced.</div><div>THi=
s is very cool for lot of things which maybe some of you do not use=2C but =
I use the looper mostly to do things like Bauchklang (ook for them in youtu=
be and soundcloud)=2C a beatbox band which make techno electro music live=
=2C just with the voice. I LOVE THEM=2C and it is two times that I have the=
 honour to jam with them on stage during their concerts here. I can't beatb=
ox like them but I can sing overtones quite well and the pubblic get crazy.=
 :)</div><div>So=2C for that kind of music=2C it is important the speed of =
pause/restart.</div><div>Maybe one day I will need other tools.</div><div>N=
ow I am poor and unsatisfied with my job=2C so=2C I must go ahead with what=
 I have.</div><div><br></div><div>Bye!<br><br><div><div id=3D"SkyDrivePlace=
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Hi Sergio=2C Couldn't you turn the volume of the different tracks down to z=
ero and then back up again?
Peace
g

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

From: simpliflying@gmail.com
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet?
Date: Mon=2C 16 Jul 2012 09:32:00 +0000





No idea. As far as I know=2C from the manual received and from a short emai=
l interchange with Mike (which never commented my suggestions -among which =
also a midi sync) I would say no.
Something which I really really really really really really miss in the Ran=
g is a "pause" function.I can only play or stop a loop. So=2C in Sync mode=
=2C if I stop a loop then when I restart it it must wait the master loop to=
 start from the beginning=2C which I guess is why Mike says that it is bett=
er to have a short master. THe problem is worse when I stop loop 3=2C then =
supposing I have number 2 and 1 playing=2C and I stop 1=2C then if I want t=
o restart 1 or 3 they must wait the 2 to begins again (and if 2 is long=2C =
that is very annoying).My idea is that it should be possible to pause (or M=
UTE) one or all loops=2C so that they keep playing but no sound comes out=
=2C and when you unmute them=2C they are still perfectly synced.THis is ver=
y cool for lot of things which maybe some of you do not use=2C but I use th=
e looper mostly to do things like Bauchklang (ook for them in youtube and s=
oundcloud)=2C a beatbox band which make techno electro music live=2C just w=
ith the voice. I LOVE THEM=2C and it is two times that I have the honour to=
 jam with them on stage during their concerts here. I can't beatbox like th=
em but I can sing overtones quite well and the pubblic get crazy. :)So=2C f=
or that kind of music=2C it is important the speed of pause/restart.Maybe o=
ne day I will need other tools.Now I am poor and unsatisfied with my job=2C=
 so=2C I must go ahead with what I have.
Bye!

From: buddhamachine@live.co.uk
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet?
Date: Mon=2C 16 Jul 2012 04:58:53 +0000





Anyone know if MIDI sync has been implemented yet? There was some talk of s=
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peace

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk



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l interchange with Mike (which never commented my suggestions -among which =
also a midi sync) I would say no.<div><br></div><div>Something which I real=
ly really really really really really miss in the Rang is a "pause" functio=
n.</div><div>I can only play or stop a loop. So=2C in Sync mode=2C if I sto=
p a loop then when I restart it it must wait the master loop to start from =
the beginning=2C which I guess is why Mike says that it is better to have a=
 short master. THe problem is worse when I stop loop 3=2C then supposing I =
have number 2 and 1 playing=2C and I stop 1=2C then if I want to restart 1 =
or 3 they must wait the 2 to begins again (and if 2 is long=2C that is very=
 annoying).</div><div>My idea is that it should be possible to pause (or MU=
TE) one or all loops=2C so that they keep playing but no sound comes out=2C=
 and when you unmute them=2C they are still perfectly synced.</div><div>THi=
s is very cool for lot of things which maybe some of you do not use=2C but =
I use the looper mostly to do things like Bauchklang (ook for them in youtu=
be and soundcloud)=2C a beatbox band which make techno electro music live=
=2C just with the voice. I LOVE THEM=2C and it is two times that I have the=
 honour to jam with them on stage during their concerts here. I can't beatb=
ox like them but I can sing overtones quite well and the pubblic get crazy.=
 :)</div><div>So=2C for that kind of music=2C it is important the speed of =
pause/restart.</div><div>Maybe one day I will need other tools.</div><div>N=
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Sorry to revive this.=20

I've still been having trouble doing this (so I have a click from the =
machine going into both EDP1 and EDP2).

When I click a button on the Foot Controller, only one of them responds =
to the command. Because the signal going into the EDPs is a stereo =
signal from an AxeFx2, it would be nice to have both machines starting =
and stopping at the same time.

Any advice would be appreciated. Quite frankly, even without them all =
synced up I absolutely love these machines. I was able to locate a =
totally mint pair of EDP+ with loopIV on eBay for $600@

Philip


On Jun 11, 2012, at 2:52 AM, andy butler wrote:

> hi Philip,
>=20
> ok, I have my EDP2 synced to my EDP1 by BeatSync as a try out.
>=20
> EDP1 is sending out a pulse at the start of each cycle SYNC=3D OUT
>=20
> and EDP2 is getting the loop length by measuring the length between =
pulses SYNC=3D IN
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Now,
> put them both to SYNC=3DIN and they'll both track the drum machine.
>=20
> So, it's one beat per measure...that's the answer.
>=20
> ..but say you did 4 beats per measure you could still stay in sync, if =
you had
> a 4 cycle loop.
> (or a synced polyrhythm if you wanted)
>=20
>=20
> I don't know how tight the sync is going to be using the drum machine =
sound,
> syncing to the pulse is pretty tight.
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> andy
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> philip wrote:
>> Thanks Andy,
>> So if I understand this correctly, I can send a beat from the 808 to =
two EDPs, I can control them separately but they will be in sync with =
the 808?
>> Without having all of the gear in one place, I'm trying to figure =
this out in my mind first--if I have the EDP beatsync receiving the =
signal from lets say the cowbell on the 808, should I have it set for =
one beat per measure, four, 16? Is there any setting that works better =
than others?
>=20

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Hello Gareth=2C
that=B4s what I do=2C but it is much slower and imprecise and uncomfortable=
. If you need an instantaneous mute you do not get it like that=2C and if y=
ou have each loop at a different volume it is a complete mess.A simple mute=
 function would be genius.Finde ich (I find)
Sergio (soon "Ich Denke Ger=E4usche" =3D "I think Sounds")

From: buddhamachine@live.co.uk
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet?
Date: Mon=2C 16 Jul 2012 09:51:52 +0000





Hi Sergio=2C Couldn't you turn the volume of the different tracks down to z=
ero and then back up again?
Peace
g

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

From: simpliflying@gmail.com
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet?
Date: Mon=2C 16 Jul 2012 09:32:00 +0000





No idea. As far as I know=2C from the manual received and from a short emai=
l interchange with Mike (which never commented my suggestions -among which =
also a midi sync) I would say no.
Something which I really really really really really really miss in the Ran=
g is a "pause" function.I can only play or stop a loop. So=2C in Sync mode=
=2C if I stop a loop then when I restart it it must wait the master loop to=
 start from the beginning=2C which I guess is why Mike says that it is bett=
er to have a short master. THe problem is worse when I stop loop 3=2C then =
supposing I have number 2 and 1 playing=2C and I stop 1=2C then if I want t=
o restart 1 or 3 they must wait the 2 to begins again (and if 2 is long=2C =
that is very annoying).My idea is that it should be possible to pause (or M=
UTE) one or all loops=2C so that they keep playing but no sound comes out=
=2C and when you unmute them=2C they are still perfectly synced.THis is ver=
y cool for lot of things which maybe some of you do not use=2C but I use th=
e looper mostly to do things like Bauchklang (ook for them in youtube and s=
oundcloud)=2C a beatbox band which make techno electro music live=2C just w=
ith the voice. I LOVE THEM=2C and it is two times that I have the honour to=
 jam with them on stage during their concerts here. I can't beatbox like th=
em but I can sing overtones quite well and the pubblic get crazy. :)So=2C f=
or that kind of music=2C it is important the speed of pause/restart.Maybe o=
ne day I will need other tools.Now I am poor and unsatisfied with my job=2C=
 so=2C I must go ahead with what I have.
Bye!

From: buddhamachine@live.co.uk
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet?
Date: Mon=2C 16 Jul 2012 04:58:53 +0000





Anyone know if MIDI sync has been implemented yet? There was some talk of s=
omething being ready "in a couple of weeks" back in March..
peace

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk



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also a midi sync) I would say no.<div><br></div><div>Something which I real=
ly really really really really really miss in the Rang is a "pause" functio=
n.</div><div>I can only play or stop a loop. So=2C in Sync mode=2C if I sto=
p a loop then when I restart it it must wait the master loop to start from =
the beginning=2C which I guess is why Mike says that it is better to have a=
 short master. THe problem is worse when I stop loop 3=2C then supposing I =
have number 2 and 1 playing=2C and I stop 1=2C then if I want to restart 1 =
or 3 they must wait the 2 to begins again (and if 2 is long=2C that is very=
 annoying).</div><div>My idea is that it should be possible to pause (or MU=
TE) one or all loops=2C so that they keep playing but no sound comes out=2C=
 and when you unmute them=2C they are still perfectly synced.</div><div>THi=
s is very cool for lot of things which maybe some of you do not use=2C but =
I use the looper mostly to do things like Bauchklang (ook for them in youtu=
be and soundcloud)=2C a beatbox band which make techno electro music live=
=2C just with the voice. I LOVE THEM=2C and it is two times that I have the=
 honour to jam with them on stage during their concerts here. I can't beatb=
ox like them but I can sing overtones quite well and the pubblic get crazy.=
 :)</div><div>So=2C for that kind of music=2C it is important the speed of =
pause/restart.</div><div>Maybe one day I will need other tools.</div><div>N=
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Scott, as an owner of a Digitech pedal looper, I salute you.


Tim Mungenast
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--- On Sun, 7/15/12, Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com>
Subject: my open letter to DIGITECH (begging for a better delay based loope=
r)
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Sunday, July 15, 2012, 7:20 PM

decided to share what i did when i was bored yesterday.=A0i was on TGP (the=
 gear page) looking something up, and saw that some digitech rep had asked =
for folks to fill out some survey. so i did, i was hoping=0Athat it would h=
ave some "comments welcome" at the end, but it didn't. but they did post th=
eir email for support (which i'm sure is on their website, butsince i only =
have a DL8 and not one of their multieffects units, i don't check their web=
site much....). anyway, i figured i post many messages to =0Athis site and =
to TGP begging digitech to put out some better delay that is similar to the=
ir old pds8000 (for the pitchshifting varispeed stuff that bill frisell use=
d to do).i figured bill frisell probably doesn't email them asking for them=
 to do this (although he should), i figured i'd do it. i doubt i have any w=
eight in the world,=0Abut it's worth a shot.=A0this is what i sent yesterda=
y:=A0dear digitech-i have posted similar things on the loopers-delight.com =
and thegearpage websites (as an open letter).=0Ai decided to just send you =
an email directly. i filled out some survey thing you had, hoping it had so=
me comments at the end, but it didn't.=A0i'm writing to ask/beg/implore you=
 to reissue or make some new variation of the =0A=A0digitech pds8000 delay-=
this would be the one that the guitarist bill frisell used to use in the pa=
st to great effect.or the lexicon pcm 42 -that david torn uses still (for 3=
0+ yrs, his is modded to have 20 sec of delay)=0A=A0Both of these delays ho=
ld the notes w/in the delay and you could modulate the time from fast to sl=
ow or slow to fast (raise or lowers pitch)=A0i currently have your digitech=
 dl8-and i like it for it's 8 sec of delay (i don't use the loop function, =
that's a joke to me), but i honestly wish it would do what the=0Apds8000=A0=
 or the pcm 42 could do.=A0i know that you have the various new versions of=
 the jamman pedals out-which honestly is also a joke i think. i'm tired of =
creating static loops. i am a person=0Awho likes to manipulate the loops an=
d mess w/ time.=A0heck, if you want to make it like the old electro harmoni=
x 16ddl and add reverse to the delay, that would be awesome also! but i won=
't shoot for the moon. (B Frisell also used that)=0A=A0i don't know what ch=
ip is in the pds8000, but it would be great if you could make that or some =
version of it again.stop putting out all these delays that when you just ma=
nipulate the time, it just kind of slurs or warps the sound, but the origin=
al info is not really there.=0A=A0i know you seem to be moving into the IPA=
D version of effects, but honestly, the pds8000 which came out in the late =
80s or early 90s, to me seems like a better device.=A0maybe you could make =
it as some type of NEW DELAY BASED LOOPER-sort of like the pds8000 or the l=
exicon pcm 42-that would be perfect.=0A=A0please note that i am not a famou=
s or great guitarist like the 2 i've mentioned, i'm just a guitarist who li=
kes to use delay based loopers, and am sick of all the phrase sampler loope=
rs that =0Aget released that really don't do anything except static loops.t=
hanks,Scott Hansen=0A
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top" style=3D"font: inherit;">Scott, as an owner of a Digitech pedal looper=
, I salute you.<br><br><br><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;font-family:verd=
ana, helvetica, sans-serif;">Tim Mungenast</span><br><span style=3D"font-we=
ight:bold;color:rgb(0, 0, 255);font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;"=
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c;">www.linkedin.com/in/timmungenast</span><br style=3D"font-family:verdana=
, helvetica, sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;color:rgb(0, 0, 2=
55);font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;">Guitarist/Composer/Vocalis=
t:</span> <span style=3D"font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-st=
yle:italic;">www.reverbnation.com/timmungenast</span><br><br>--- On <b>Sun,=
 7/15/12, Scott Hansen <i>&lt;evanpeewee@gmail.com&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br><b=
lockquote
 style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; paddin=
g-left: 5px;"><br>From: Scott Hansen &lt;evanpeewee@gmail.com&gt;<br>Subjec=
t: my open letter to DIGITECH (begging for a better delay based looper)<br>=
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br>Date: Sunday, July 15, 2012, 7:2=
0 PM<br><br><div id=3D"yiv426459071"><div>decided to share what i did when =
i was bored yesterday.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>i was on TGP (the gear pa=
ge) looking something up, and saw that some digitech rep had asked for folk=
s to fill out some survey. so i did, i was hoping</div>=0A<div>that it woul=
d have some "comments welcome" at the end, but it didn't. but they did post=
 their email for support (which i'm sure is on their website, but</div><div=
>since i only have a DL8 and not one of their multieffects units, i don't c=
heck their website much....). anyway, i figured i post many messages to </d=
iv>=0A<div>this site and to TGP begging digitech to put out some better del=
ay that is similar to their old pds8000 (for the pitchshifting varispeed st=
uff that bill frisell used to do).</div><div>i figured bill frisell probabl=
y doesn't email them asking for them to do this (although he should), i fig=
ured i'd do it. i doubt i have any weight in the world,</div>=0A<div>but it=
's worth a shot.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>this is what i sent yesterday:<=
/div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>dear digitech-</div><div>i have posted similar t=
hings on the <a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://loopers-d=
elight.com">loopers-delight.com</a> and thegearpage websites (as an open le=
tter).</div>=0A<div>i decided to just send you an email directly. i filled =
out some survey thing you had, hoping it had some comments at the end, but =
it didn't.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>i'm writing to ask/beg/implore you to=
 reissue or make some new variation of the </div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div><div>d=
igitech pds8000 delay-this would be the one that the guitarist bill frisell=
 used to use in the past to great effect.</div><div>or the </div><div>lexic=
on pcm 42 -that david torn uses still (for 30+ yrs, his is modded to have 2=
0 sec of delay)</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div><div>Both of these delays hold the=
 notes w/in the delay and you could modulate the time from fast to slow or =
slow to fast (raise or lowers pitch)</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>i currently=
 have your digitech dl8-and i like it for it's 8 sec of delay (i don't use =
the loop function, that's a joke to me), but i honestly wish it would do wh=
at the</div>=0A<div>pds8000&nbsp; or the pcm 42 could do.</div><div>&nbsp;<=
/div><div>i know that you have the various new versions of the jamman pedal=
s out-which honestly is also a joke i think. i'm tired of creating static l=
oops. i am a person</div>=0A<div>who likes to manipulate the loops and mess=
 w/ time.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>heck, if you want to make it like the =
old electro harmonix 16ddl and add reverse to the delay, that would be awes=
ome also! but i won't shoot for the moon. (B Frisell also used that)</div>=
=0A<div>&nbsp;</div><div>i don't know what chip is in the pds8000, but it w=
ould be great if you could make that or some version of it again.</div><div=
>stop putting out all these delays that when you just manipulate the time, =
it just kind of slurs or warps the sound, but the original info is not real=
ly there.</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div><div>i know you seem to be moving into t=
he IPAD version of effects, but honestly, the pds8000 which came out in the=
 late 80s or early 90s, to me seems like a better device.</div><div>&nbsp;<=
/div><div>maybe you could make it as some type of NEW DELAY BASED LOOPER-so=
rt of like the pds8000 or the lexicon pcm 42-that would be perfect.</div>=
=0A<div>&nbsp;</div><div>please note that i am not a famous or great guitar=
ist like the 2 i've mentioned, i'm just a guitarist who likes to use delay =
based loopers, and am sick of all the phrase sampler loopers that </div>=0A=
<div>get released that really don't do anything except static loops.</div><=
div>thanks,</div><div>Scott Hansen</div>=0A</div></blockquote></td></tr></t=
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Hi Gareth & Per,

I'm PC based, and I just went through the process of upgrading to 64 bit
Windows. What a pain! As an aside, that's another big advantage for MacOS
that you don't have to choose to install 32 bit or 64 bit.

I haven't tried the PSP42 with Ableton, so I haven't seen the bug Per
mentioned. In fact I haven't used PSP42 in a while. As I upgrade or
reinstall Windows, I find I don't have the patience to reauthorize all my
copy protected VSTs. The paid apps that I really use are Ableton, EnergyXT,
Stylus RMX and Trillian. Everything else I use is freeware, which is still
an advantage of PCs. I looked for a freeware delay where you could crank
the speed up and down like you can on the PDS8000, but I didn't find one.

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Hi Gareth &amp; Per,<div><br></div><div>I&#39;m PC based, and I just went t=
hrough the process of upgrading to 64 bit Windows. What a pain! As an aside=
, that&#39;s another big advantage for MacOS that you don&#39;t have to cho=
ose to install 32 bit or 64 bit.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I haven&#39;t tried the PSP42 with Ableton, so I haven&=
#39;t seen the bug Per mentioned. In fact I haven&#39;t used PSP42 in a whi=
le. As I upgrade or reinstall Windows, I find I don&#39;t have the patience=
 to reauthorize all my copy protected VSTs. The paid apps that I really use=
 are Ableton, EnergyXT, Stylus RMX and Trillian. Everything else I use is f=
reeware, which is still an advantage of PCs. I looked for a freeware delay =
where you could crank the speed up and down like you can on the PDS8000, bu=
t I didn&#39;t find one.<br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">--=A0</div>Art Simon<br><a href=3D"mailto:si=
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<P><FONT color=#000000><FONT size=2><FONT face=arial,sans-serif>That's an interesting idea. I took the liberty of sending it to Mike for consideration. In the meantime I had one idea if you could get by with two mono loops--record one loop on the left channel and one on the right. You would need an A/B switch on the input and a couple of ON/OFF switches on the outputs&nbsp;(possibly momentary?)&nbsp;but all could be built in a small pedal case with appropriate switches and jacks. Kinda clunky I admit but it might work. With some kind of synchronization this could be expanded over two or more additional loopers for more tracks.</FONT></FONT></FONT></P>
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Sergio G <SIMPLIFLYING@GMAIL.COM><BR><BR>
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<DIV>Something which I really really really really really really miss in the Rang is a "pause" function.</DIV>
<DIV>I can only play or stop a loop. So, in Sync mode, if I stop a loop then when I restart it it must wait the master loop to start from the beginning, which I guess is why Mike says that it is better to have a short master. THe problem is worse when I stop loop 3, then supposing I have number 2 and 1 playing, and I stop 1, then if I want to restart 1 or 3 they must wait the 2 to begins again (and if 2 is long, that is very annoying).</DIV>
<DIV>My idea is that it should be possible to pause (or MUTE) one or all loops, so that they keep playing but no sound comes out, and when you unmute them, they are still perfectly synced.</DIV>
<DIV>THis is very cool for lot of things which maybe some of you do not use, but I use the looper mostly to do things like Bauchklang (ook for them in youtube and soundcloud), a beatbox band which make techno electro music live, just with the voice. I LOVE THEM, and it is two times that I have the honour to jam with them on stage during their concerts here. I can't beatbox like them but I can sing overtones quite well and the pubblic get crazy. :)</DIV>
<DIV>So, for that kind of music, it is important the speed of pause/restart.</DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY>

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One of the great strengths of the EDP is that while it can quantize many act=
ions, it doesn't force one to do so. For example, I wish on the Rang when wo=
rking in Sync mode that you could start recording whenever and it would just=
 quantize the loop length based on the master.

Mark

On Jul 16, 2012, at 2:32 AM, Sergio G <simpliflying@gmail.com> wrote:

> No idea. As far as I know, from the manual received and from a short email=
 interchange with Mike (which never commented my suggestions -among which al=
so a midi sync) I would say no.
>=20
> Something which I really really really really really really miss in the Ra=
ng is a "pause" function.
> I can only play or stop a loop. So, in Sync mode, if I stop a loop then wh=
en I restart it it must wait the master loop to start from the beginning, wh=
ich I guess is why Mike says that it is better to have a short master. THe p=
roblem is worse when I stop loop 3, then supposing I have number 2 and 1 pla=
ying, and I stop 1, then if I want to restart 1 or 3 they must wait the 2 to=
 begins again (and if 2 is long, that is very annoying).
> My idea is that it should be possible to pause (or MUTE) one or all loops,=
 so that they keep playing but no sound comes out, and when you unmute them,=
 they are still perfectly synced.
> THis is very cool for lot of things which maybe some of you do not use, bu=
t I use the looper mostly to do things like Bauchklang (ook for them in yout=
ube and soundcloud), a beatbox band which make techno electro music live, ju=
st with the voice. I LOVE THEM, and it is two times that I have the honour t=
o jam with them on stage during their concerts here. I can't beatbox like th=
em but I can sing overtones quite well and the pubblic get crazy. :)
> So, for that kind of music, it is important the speed of pause/restart.
> Maybe one day I will need other tools.
> Now I am poor and unsatisfied with my job, so, I must go ahead with what I=
 have.
>=20
> Bye!
>=20
> From: buddhamachine@live.co.uk
> To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet?
> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 04:58:53 +0000
>=20
> Anyone know if MIDI sync has been implemented yet? There was some talk of s=
omething being ready "in a couple of weeks" back in March..
>=20
> peace
>=20
> Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk
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 of the EDP is that while it can quantize many actions, it doesn't force one=
 to do so. For example, I wish on the Rang when working in Sync mode that yo=
u could start recording whenever and it would just quantize the loop length b=
ased on the master.</div><div><br></div><div>Mark<br><br>On Jul 16, 2012, at=
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ally really really really really miss in the Rang is a "pause" function.</di=
v><div>I can only play or stop a loop. So, in Sync mode, if I stop a loop th=
en when I restart it it must wait the master loop to start from the beginnin=
g, which I guess is why Mike says that it is better to have a short master. T=
He problem is worse when I stop loop 3, then supposing I have number 2 and 1=
 playing, and I stop 1, then if I want to restart 1 or 3 they must wait the 2=
 to begins again (and if 2 is long, that is very annoying).</div><div>My ide=
a is that it should be possible to pause (or MUTE) one or all loops, so that=
 they keep playing but no sound comes out, and when you unmute them, they ar=
e still perfectly synced.</div><div>THis is very cool for lot of things whic=
h maybe some of you do not use, but I use the looper mostly to do things lik=
e Bauchklang (ook for them in youtube and soundcloud), a beatbox band which m=
ake techno electro music live, just with the voice. I LOVE THEM, and it is t=
wo times that I have the honour to jam with them on stage during their conce=
rts here. I can't beatbox like them but I can sing overtones quite well and t=
he pubblic get crazy. :)</div><div>So, for that kind of music, it is importa=
nt the speed of pause/restart.</div><div>Maybe one day I will need other too=
ls.</div><div>Now I am poor and unsatisfied with my job, so, I must go ahead=
 with what I have.</div><div><br></div><div>Bye!<br><br><div><div id=3D"SkyD=
rivePlaceholder"></div><hr id=3D"stopSpelling">From: <a href=3D"mailto:buddh=
amachine@live.co.uk">buddhamachine@live.co.uk</a><br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:l=
oopers-delight@loopers-delight.com">loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com</a><=
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v>peace<br><br>Gareth Whittock, sound artist: <a href=3D"http://garethwhitto=
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OK, so this thread started with a theme of delay-based looping pedals and n=
ow it's about laptops?? (LOL) I hereby dub all of you honorary members of T=
IM'S DIGRESSION WORKSHOP.=A0=A0 :D=20
=A0(This is actually quite an honor. ;-)

Our motto is "RECURSIS: FOILED AGAIN!"




--- On Mon, 7/16/12, Art Simon <simart@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Art Simon <simart@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: my open letter to DIGITECH (begging for a better delay based l=
ooper)
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Monday, July 16, 2012, 12:43 PM

Hi Gareth & Per,
I'm PC based, and I just went through the process of upgrading to 64 bit Wi=
ndows. What a pain! As an aside, that's another big advantage for MacOS tha=
t you don't have to choose to install 32 bit or 64 bit.=0A
I haven't tried the PSP42 with Ableton, so I haven't seen the bug Per menti=
oned. In fact I haven't used PSP42 in a while. As I upgrade or reinstall Wi=
ndows, I find I don't have the patience to reauthorize all my copy protecte=
d VSTs. The paid apps that I really use are Ableton, EnergyXT, Stylus RMX a=
nd Trillian. Everything else I use is freeware, which is still an advantage=
 of PCs. I looked for a freeware delay where you could crank the speed up a=
nd down like you can on the PDS8000, but I didn't find one.
=0A
--=A0Art Simon
simart@gmail.com

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top" style=3D"font: inherit;">OK, so this thread started with a theme of de=
lay-based looping pedals and now it's about laptops?? (LOL) I hereby dub al=
l of you honorary members of TIM'S DIGRESSION WORKSHOP.&nbsp;&nbsp; :D <br>=
&nbsp;(This is actually quite an honor. ;-)<br><br>Our motto is "RECURSIS: =
FOILED AGAIN!"<br><br><br><br><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;font-family:v=
erdana, helvetica, sans-serif;"></span><br>--- On <b>Mon, 7/16/12, Art Simo=
n <i>&lt;simart@gmail.com&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style=3D"border=
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r>From: Art Simon &lt;simart@gmail.com&gt;<br>Subject: Re: my open letter t=
o DIGITECH (begging for a better delay based looper)<br>To: Loopers-Delight=
@loopers-delight.com<br>Date: Monday, July 16, 2012, 12:43 PM<br><br><div i=
d=3D"yiv972995980">Hi Gareth &amp; Per,<div><br></div><div>I'm PC based, an=
d I just
 went through the process of upgrading to 64 bit Windows. What a pain! As a=
n aside, that's another big advantage for MacOS that you don't have to choo=
se to install 32 bit or 64 bit.</div>=0A<div><br></div><div>I haven't tried=
 the PSP42 with Ableton, so I haven't seen the bug Per mentioned. In fact I=
 haven't used PSP42 in a while. As I upgrade or reinstall Windows, I find I=
 don't have the patience to reauthorize all my copy protected VSTs. The pai=
d apps that I really use are Ableton, EnergyXT, Stylus RMX and Trillian. Ev=
erything else I use is freeware, which is still an advantage of PCs. I look=
ed for a freeware delay where you could crank the speed up and down like yo=
u can on the PDS8000, but I didn't find one.<br>=0A<br><div class=3D"yiv972=
995980gmail_quote">--&nbsp;</div>Art Simon<br><a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=
=3D"mailto:simart@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"/mc/compose?to=3Dsim=
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Art=2C if this is preventing you from creating the sounds you want=2C I'll =
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et me know exactly what you'd like. I've been thinking of doing boutique VS=
T's for artists  for a while and this could be a useful exercise..
peace
g


Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

Date: Mon=2C 16 Jul 2012 09:43:51 -0700
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On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Tim Mungenast <tmungenast@verizon.net>
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> OK, so this thread started with a theme of delay-based looping pedals and
> now it's about laptops?? (LOL)


Ha, ha... well, my interest is the performance functionality - not
"laptop". It just happen to be that computer software deliver some of
my sought after functionality.

Per

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I hear you, Per. Getting the job done is really what's most important. We guitarists, however, tend to worship the TOOLS of creation as much as the ACT of creation itself. (No, I'm not saying that as if it's a bad thing... silly perhaps, but not bad. ;-)



--- On Mon, 7/16/12, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: my open letter to DIGITECH (begging for a better delay based looper)
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Monday, July 16, 2012, 2:27 PM
> On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Tim
> Mungenast <tmungenast@verizon.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > OK, so this thread started with a theme of delay-based
> looping pedals and
> > now it's about laptops?? (LOL)
> 
> 
> Ha, ha... well, my interest is the performance functionality
> - not
> "laptop". It just happen to be that computer software
> deliver some of
> my sought after functionality.
> 
> Per
> 
> 

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<P><FONT color=#000000><FONT size=2><FONT face=arial,sans-serif>I suppose that makes sense but there problems later if you want to stop and then re-start loops that are not aligned to some sync boundry. Maybe this will be resolved by using the Free mode when MIDI sync is (hopefully) available. From what I have gathered it would seem you can make sync'ed loops with 1/4 note resolution and I'm assuming you won't need a master loop.</FONT></FONT></FONT></P>
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Mark Hamburg <MARK@GRUBMAH.COM><BR>Sent: Jul 16, 2012 12:58 PM <BR>To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <LOOPERS-DELIGHT@LOOPERS-DELIGHT.COM><BR>Cc: "<LOOPERS-DELIGHT@LOOPERS-DELIGHT.COM>" <LOOPERS-DELIGHT@LOOPERS-DELIGHT.COM><BR>Subject: Re: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet? <BR><BR><ZZZHTML><ZZZHEAD></ZZZHEAD><ZZZBODY bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<DIV>One of the great strengths of the EDP is that while it can quantize many actions, it doesn't force one to do so. For example, I wish on the Rang when working in Sync mode that you could start recording whenever and it would just quantize the loop length based on the master.</DIV>
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With regard to the EDP reference, the recorded loop can still have its cycle=
 point aligned to the master. It just doesn't start recording at that point.=


And on the original topic, the EDP has a mute function that preserves sync t=
hough the equivalent on the Rang in sync mode might be to have Play start at=
 the appropriate position in the loop as if the loop had been active.

Mark

On Jul 16, 2012, at 12:00 PM, Grant <grantmepeace@mindspring.com> wrote:

> I suppose that makes sense but there problems later if you want to stop an=
d then re-start loops that are not aligned to some sync boundry. Maybe this w=
ill be resolved by using the Free mode when MIDI sync is (hopefully) availab=
le. =46rom what I have gathered it would seem you can make sync'ed loops wit=
h 1/4 note resolution and I'm assuming you won't need a master loop.
> =20
> G
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> One of the great strengths of the EDP is that while it can quantize many a=
ctions, it doesn't force one to do so. For example, I wish on the Rang when w=
orking in Sync mode that you could start recording whenever and it would jus=
t quantize the loop length based on the master.
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<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>With regard to the EDP reference, the recorded loop can still have its cycle point aligned to the master. It just doesn't start recording at that point.</div><div><br></div><div>And on the original topic, the EDP has a mute function that preserves sync though the equivalent on the Rang in sync mode might be to have Play start at the appropriate position in the loop as if the loop had been active.</div><div><br></div><div>Mark<br><br>On Jul 16, 2012, at 12:00 PM, Grant &lt;<a href="mailto:grantmepeace@mindspring.com">grantmepeace@mindspring.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p><font color="#000000"><font size="2"><font face="arial,sans-serif">I suppose that makes sense but there problems later if you want to stop and then re-start loops that are not aligned to some sync boundry. Maybe this will be resolved by using the Free mode when MIDI sync is (hopefully) available. From what I have gathered it would seem you can make sync'ed loops with 1/4 note resolution and I'm assuming you won't need a master loop.</font></font></font></p>
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<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px">-----Original Message----- <br>From: Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com><br>Sent: Jul 16, 2012 12:58 PM <br>To: "<a href="mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a>" <loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com><br>Cc: "<loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com>" <loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com><br>Subject: Re: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet? <br><br><zzzhtml><zzzhead></zzzhead><zzzbody bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<div>One of the great strengths of the EDP is that while it can quantize many actions, it doesn't force one to do so. For example, I wish on the Rang when working in Sync mode that you could start recording whenever and it would just quantize the loop length based on the master.</div>
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<P><FONT color=#000000><FONT size=2><FONT face=arial,sans-serif>So if you create a new loop by starting out in the middle of another loop and then (I guess) keep recording until you've come around to the same place again how and where do you end recording? If this new loop is stopped and you press Play, where does it begin playing from?</FONT></FONT></FONT></P>
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Mark Hamburg <MARK@GRUBMAH.COM><BR>Sent: Jul 16, 2012 3:12 PM <BR>To: Grant <GRANTMEPEACE@MINDSPRING.COM><BR>Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <LOOPERS-DELIGHT@LOOPERS-DELIGHT.COM><BR>Subject: Re: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet? <BR><BR><ZZZHTML><ZZZHEAD></ZZZHEAD><ZZZBODY bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
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Hear hear Scott! As a delay pedal based looper I heartily agree!

Jeff

http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/

On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com> wrote:

> decided to share what i did when i was bored yesterday.
>
>

>snip


>  i'm just a guitarist who likes to use delay based loopers, and am sick of
> all the phrase sampler loopers that
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M, Scott Hansen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:evanpeewee@gmail.co=
m" target=3D"_blank">evanpeewee@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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bored yesterday.</div><div>=A0</div></blockquote><br><div>&gt;snip<br>=A0<b=
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I gotta say, I really like my rc50 -- no static (no static) no static
at all<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kydXntPkql4>.
My rc20 did though after a while (had it seven years).
What I'm really sick of is Boss releasing all these loopers with the extra
effects in them AND TAKING OUT THE REVERSE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5BMQ-xpTog

Which looper are you working with?

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Jeff Duke <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hear hear Scott! As a delay pedal based looper I heartily agree!
>
> Jeff
>
> http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/
>
> On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> decided to share what i did when i was bored yesterday.
>>
>>
>
> >snip
>
>
>>  i'm just a guitarist who likes to use delay based loopers, and am sick
>> of all the phrase sampler loopers that
>> get released that really don't do anything except static loops.
>> thanks,
>> Scott Hansen
>>
>
>

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I gotta say, I really like my rc50 -- no static (no static) no static <a hr=
ef=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DkydXntPkql4">at all</a>. My rc20 did=
 though after a while (had it seven years). <br>What I&#39;m really sick of=
 is Boss releasing all these loopers with the extra effects in them AND TAK=
ING OUT THE REVERSE. <a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DS5BMQ-xpTo=
g">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DS5BMQ-xpTog</a><br>
<br>Which looper are you working with? <br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">O=
n Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Jeff Duke <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:jeffloops@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jeffloops@gmail.com</a>&gt;</=
span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hear hear Scott! As a delay pedal based loop=
er I heartily agree! <br><br>Jeff<br><br><a href=3D"http://jeffduke.bandcam=
p.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/</a><br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Scott Hanse=
n <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:evanpeewee@gmail.com" target=3D"_=
blank">evanpeewee@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>decided to share what i did when i was =
bored yesterday.</div><div>=A0</div></blockquote><br><div>&gt;snip<br>=A0<b=
r></div>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
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st who likes to use delay based loopers, and am sick of all the phrase samp=
ler loopers that=20
<div>get released that really don&#39;t do anything except static loops.</d=
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Hey Daniel,

I am using a Boss DD 20 (soon to be x2), an EH 2880 and the looper in the
Line 6 M9. The last two while "phrase sampler" type do have some feedback
and reverse/half speed abilities. Being an ambient/noise guitarist (yes
another one of those!) feedback and some mangling is needed.

best,

Jeff

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 5:36 PM, daniel <daniel@ithinkwethink.org> wrote:

> I gotta say, I really like my rc50 -- no static (no static) no static at
> all <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kydXntPkql4>. My rc20 did though
> after a while (had it seven years).
> What I'm really sick of is Boss releasing all these loopers with the extra
> effects in them AND TAKING OUT THE REVERSE.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5BMQ-xpTog
>
> Which looper are you working with?
>
> On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Jeff Duke <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hear hear Scott! As a delay pedal based looper I heartily agree!
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> decided to share what i did when i was bored yesterday.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> >snip
>>
>>
>>>  i'm just a guitarist who likes to use delay based loopers, and am sick
>>> of all the phrase sampler loopers that
>>> get released that really don't do anything except static loops.
>>> thanks,
>>> Scott Hansen
>>>
>>
>>
>

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Hey Daniel, <br><br>I am using a Boss DD 20 (soon to be x2), an EH 2880 and=
 the looper in the Line 6 M9. The last two while &quot;phrase sampler&quot;=
 type do have some feedback and reverse/half speed abilities. Being an ambi=
ent/noise guitarist (yes another one of those!) feedback and some mangling =
is needed.<br>
<br>best,<br><br>Jeff<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 16, 201=
2 at 5:36 PM, daniel <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:daniel@ithinkw=
ethink.org" target=3D"_blank">daniel@ithinkwethink.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote=
:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I gotta say, I really like my rc50 -- no sta=
tic (no static) no static <a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DkydXn=
tPkql4" target=3D"_blank">at all</a>. My rc20 did though after a while (had=
 it seven years). <br>
What I&#39;m really sick of is Boss releasing all these loopers with the ex=
tra effects in them AND TAKING OUT THE REVERSE. <a href=3D"http://www.youtu=
be.com/watch?v=3DS5BMQ-xpTog" target=3D"_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watc=
h?v=3DS5BMQ-xpTog</a><br>

<br>Which looper are you working with? <br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">O=
n Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Jeff Duke <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:jeffloops@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jeffloops@gmail.com</a>&gt;</=
span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hear hear Scott! As a delay pedal based loop=
er I heartily agree! <br><br>Jeff<br><br><a href=3D"http://jeffduke.bandcam=
p.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/</a><br>

<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Scott Hanse=
n <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:evanpeewee@gmail.com" target=3D"_=
blank">evanpeewee@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>decided to share what i did when i was =
bored yesterday.</div><div>=A0</div></blockquote><br><div>&gt;snip<br>=A0<b=
r></div>


<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">=A0i&#39;m just a guitari=
st who likes to use delay based loopers, and am sick of all the phrase samp=
ler loopers that=20
<div>get released that really don&#39;t do anything except static loops.</d=
iv><div>thanks,</div><div>Scott Hansen</div>
</blockquote></div><br>
</blockquote></div><br>
</blockquote></div><br>

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Nice. I'm also an ambient guy: http://danielharris.bandcamp.com/album/noops

Where can I hear your work?

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Jeff Duke <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Daniel,
>
> I am using a Boss DD 20 (soon to be x2), an EH 2880 and the looper in the
> Line 6 M9. The last two while "phrase sampler" type do have some feedback
> and reverse/half speed abilities. Being an ambient/noise guitarist (yes
> another one of those!) feedback and some mangling is needed.
>
> best,
>
> Jeff
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 5:36 PM, daniel <daniel@ithinkwethink.org> wrote:
>
>> I gotta say, I really like my rc50 -- no static (no static) no static at
>> all <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kydXntPkql4>. My rc20 did though
>> after a while (had it seven years).
>> What I'm really sick of is Boss releasing all these loopers with the
>> extra effects in them AND TAKING OUT THE REVERSE.
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5BMQ-xpTog
>>
>> Which looper are you working with?
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Jeff Duke <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hear hear Scott! As a delay pedal based looper I heartily agree!
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> decided to share what i did when i was bored yesterday.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> >snip
>>>
>>>
>>>>  i'm just a guitarist who likes to use delay based loopers, and am sick
>>>> of all the phrase sampler loopers that
>>>> get released that really don't do anything except static loops.
>>>> thanks,
>>>> Scott Hansen
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

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Nice. I&#39;m also an ambient guy: <a href=3D"http://danielharris.bandcamp.=
com/album/noops">http://danielharris.bandcamp.com/album/noops</a><br><br>Wh=
ere can I hear your work? <br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 16=
, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Jeff Duke <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jefflo=
ops@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jeffloops@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<=
br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hey Daniel, <br><br>I am using a Boss DD 20 =
(soon to be x2), an EH 2880 and the looper in the Line 6 M9. The last two w=
hile &quot;phrase sampler&quot; type do have some feedback and reverse/half=
 speed abilities. Being an ambient/noise guitarist (yes another one of thos=
e!) feedback and some mangling is needed.<br>

<br>best,<br><br>Jeff<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br><br><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 5:36 PM, daniel <span dir=3D"l=
tr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:daniel@ithinkwethink.org" target=3D"_blank">danie=
l@ithinkwethink.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I gotta say, I really like my rc50 -- no sta=
tic (no static) no static <a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DkydXn=
tPkql4" target=3D"_blank">at all</a>. My rc20 did though after a while (had=
 it seven years). <br>

What I&#39;m really sick of is Boss releasing all these loopers with the ex=
tra effects in them AND TAKING OUT THE REVERSE. <a href=3D"http://www.youtu=
be.com/watch?v=3DS5BMQ-xpTog" target=3D"_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watc=
h?v=3DS5BMQ-xpTog</a><br>


<br>Which looper are you working with? <br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">O=
n Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Jeff Duke <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:jeffloops@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jeffloops@gmail.com</a>&gt;</=
span> wrote:<br>


<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hear hear Scott! As a delay pedal based loop=
er I heartily agree! <br><br>Jeff<br><br><a href=3D"http://jeffduke.bandcam=
p.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/</a><br>


<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Scott Hanse=
n <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:evanpeewee@gmail.com" target=3D"_=
blank">evanpeewee@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
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bored yesterday.</div><div>=A0</div></blockquote><br><div>&gt;snip<br>=A0<b=
r></div>



<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">=A0i&#39;m just a guitari=
st who likes to use delay based loopers, and am sick of all the phrase samp=
ler loopers that=20
<div>get released that really don&#39;t do anything except static loops.</d=
iv><div>thanks,</div><div>Scott Hansen</div>
</blockquote></div><br>
</blockquote></div><br>
</blockquote></div><br>
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This is the response i got from digitech. nice they got back to me in a
day. their answer is what i expected...oh well, i tried....s---


** ** ** ** ** **

Scott,****

** **

Thanks for your comments. Some of the chips in the PDS 8000 are no longer
manufactured, which makes a re-issue difficult and costly. Have you tried
our JamMan Delay?****

** **

Regards,****

** **

Digitech Support****



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hey got back to me in a day. their answer is what i expected...oh well, i t=
ried....s---<br><br><br>




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olor:navy;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt">Thanks for your comments. Some =
of the
chips in the PDS 8000 are no longer manufactured, which makes a re-issue
difficult and costly. Have you tried our JamMan Delay?<u></u><u></u></span>=
</font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"c=
olor:navy;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></font>=
</p>

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olor:navy;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></=
font></p>

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Ah yeah :) I always forget that,

http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/

https://vimeo.com/jeffduke


On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 5:49 PM, daniel <daniel@ithinkwethink.org> wrote:

> Nice. I'm also an ambient guy:
> http://danielharris.bandcamp.com/album/noops
>
> Where can I hear your work?
>
> On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Jeff Duke <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey Daniel,
>>
>> I am using a Boss DD 20 (soon to be x2), an EH 2880 and the looper in the
>> Line 6 M9. The last two while "phrase sampler" type do have some feedback
>> and reverse/half speed abilities. Being an ambient/noise guitarist (yes
>> another one of those!) feedback and some mangling is needed.
>>
>> best,
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 5:36 PM, daniel <daniel@ithinkwethink.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I gotta say, I really like my rc50 -- no static (no static) no static at
>>> all <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kydXntPkql4>. My rc20 did though
>>> after a while (had it seven years).
>>> What I'm really sick of is Boss releasing all these loopers with the
>>> extra effects in them AND TAKING OUT THE REVERSE.
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5BMQ-xpTog
>>>
>>> Which looper are you working with?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Jeff Duke <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hear hear Scott! As a delay pedal based looper I heartily agree!
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>> http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> decided to share what i did when i was bored yesterday.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >snip
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  i'm just a guitarist who likes to use delay based loopers, and am
>>>>> sick of all the phrase sampler loopers that
>>>>> get released that really don't do anything except static loops.
>>>>> thanks,
>>>>> Scott Hansen
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

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Ah yeah :) I always forget that, <br><br><a href=3D"http://jeffduke.bandcam=
p.com/">http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/</a><br><br><a href=3D"https://vimeo.c=
om/jeffduke">https://vimeo.com/jeffduke</a><br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote">
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 5:49 PM, daniel <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:daniel@ithinkwethink.org" target=3D"_blank">daniel@ithinkwethink.org</=
a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Nice. I&#39;m also an ambient guy: <a href=3D"http://danielharris.bandcamp.=
com/album/noops" target=3D"_blank">http://danielharris.bandcamp.com/album/n=
oops</a><br><br>Where can I hear your work? <br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Jeff Duke <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:jeffloops@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jeffloops@gmail.com</a>&gt;<=
/span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hey Daniel, <br><br>I am using a Boss DD 20 =
(soon to be x2), an EH 2880 and the looper in the Line 6 M9. The last two w=
hile &quot;phrase sampler&quot; type do have some feedback and reverse/half=
 speed abilities. Being an ambient/noise guitarist (yes another one of thos=
e!) feedback and some mangling is needed.<br>


<br>best,<br><br>Jeff<div><div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, J=
ul 16, 2012 at 5:36 PM, daniel <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dani=
el@ithinkwethink.org" target=3D"_blank">daniel@ithinkwethink.org</a>&gt;</s=
pan> wrote:<br>


<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I gotta say, I really like my rc50 -- no sta=
tic (no static) no static <a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DkydXn=
tPkql4" target=3D"_blank">at all</a>. My rc20 did though after a while (had=
 it seven years). <br>


What I&#39;m really sick of is Boss releasing all these loopers with the ex=
tra effects in them AND TAKING OUT THE REVERSE. <a href=3D"http://www.youtu=
be.com/watch?v=3DS5BMQ-xpTog" target=3D"_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watc=
h?v=3DS5BMQ-xpTog</a><br>



<br>Which looper are you working with? <br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">O=
n Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Jeff Duke <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:jeffloops@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jeffloops@gmail.com</a>&gt;</=
span> wrote:<br>



<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hear hear Scott! As a delay pedal based loop=
er I heartily agree! <br><br>Jeff<br><br><a href=3D"http://jeffduke.bandcam=
p.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/</a><br>



<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Scott Hanse=
n <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:evanpeewee@gmail.com" target=3D"_=
blank">evanpeewee@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>decided to share what i did when i was =
bored yesterday.</div><div>=A0</div></blockquote><br><div>&gt;snip<br>=A0<b=
r></div>




<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">=A0i&#39;m just a guitari=
st who likes to use delay based loopers, and am sick of all the phrase samp=
ler loopers that=20
<div>get released that really don&#39;t do anything except static loops.</d=
iv><div>thanks,</div><div>Scott Hansen</div>
</blockquote></div><br>
</blockquote></div><br>
</blockquote></div><br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
</blockquote></div><br>

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Kinda makes you wish you wrote the entire email in the subject line, doesn't it?


On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is the response i got from digitech. nice they got back to me in a day.
> their answer is what i expected...oh well, i tried....s---
>
>
> Scott,
>
>
>
> Thanks for your comments. Some of the chips in the PDS 8000 are no longer
> manufactured, which makes a re-issue difficult and costly. Have you tried
> our JamMan Delay?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Digitech Support
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



-- 
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mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusic.com
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sounds like they didnt read your whole note! what else is new...i just want to pipe in-my go to looper(forever) is the famous/infamous PDS8000!. use it everyday and for every show. love the grungee sounds right outa the box-and it loves my 55hz. drones...
you can hear it on all my 'whatever they ares' on the site.

http://stanosaur.com/






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This is the response i got from digitech. nice they got back to me in a day. their answer is what i expected...oh well, i tried....s---






















Scott,

 

Thanks for your comments. Some of the
chips in the PDS 8000 are no longer manufactured, which makes a re-issue
difficult and costly. Have you tried our JamMan Delay?

 

Regards,

 

Digitech Support

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Have you tried their Jamman delay? I didn't know they had one...hmm.

http://www.digitech.com/system/documents/243/original/JamMan%20Delay%20Manual%2018-0687V-B.pdf?1305738078

Looks like an ex ped can control either some kind of delay modify or it
could be a fake feedback control on the looper by controlling looper vol
level but not both at once.



j

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 5:51 PM, Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com> wrote:

> This is the response i got from digitech. nice they got back to me in a
> day. their answer is what i expected...oh well, i tried....s---
>
>
> ** ** ** ** ** **
>
> Scott,****
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks for your comments. Some of the chips in the PDS 8000 are no longer
> manufactured, which makes a re-issue difficult and costly. Have you tried
> our JamMan Delay?****
>
> ** **
>
> Regards,****
>
> ** **
>
> Digitech Support****
>
>
>
>  ****
>
>
>
>
>

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Have you tried their Jamman delay? I didn&#39;t know they had one...hmm.<br=
><br><a href=3D"http://www.digitech.com/system/documents/243/original/JamMa=
n%20Delay%20Manual%2018-0687V-B.pdf?1305738078">http://www.digitech.com/sys=
tem/documents/243/original/JamMan%20Delay%20Manual%2018-0687V-B.pdf?1305738=
078</a><br>
<br>Looks like an ex ped can control either some kind of delay modify or it=
 could be a fake feedback control on the looper by controlling looper vol l=
evel but not both at once.<br><br><br><br>j<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quot=
e">
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 5:51 PM, Scott Hansen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:evanpeewee@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">evanpeewee@gmail.com</a>=
&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0=
 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">This is the response i got from digitech. nice t=
hey got back to me in a day. their answer is what i expected...oh well, i t=
ried....s---<br><br><br>




<u></u>
<u></u>
<u></u>
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<u></u>
<u></u>





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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"c=
olor:navy;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt">Scott,<u></u><u></u></span></fo=
nt></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"c=
olor:navy;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></font>=
</p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"c=
olor:navy;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt">Thanks for your comments. Some =
of the
chips in the PDS 8000 are no longer manufactured, which makes a re-issue
difficult and costly. Have you tried our JamMan Delay?<u></u><u></u></span>=
</font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"c=
olor:navy;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></font>=
</p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"c=
olor:navy;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></=
font></p>

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olor:navy;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span></font>=
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Jeez...it isn't really about the 'chip' at all, is it?

It's about the functionality and interface.

Am I ignorant here? Someone can't make a 'hold delay' feature in a current p=
roduction looper because of a 'chip' no longer being made?

How does one explain that feature on the Pigtronix delay, then?

Don't reissue the damn thing, digitech, reinvent it.  A pds based machine wi=
th tap tempo or 'first loop' length setting and a longer delay time would be=
 a terribly fun box.

Sent from my iPhone

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<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Jeez...it isn't really about the 'chip' at all, is it?</div><div><br></div><div>It's about the functionality and interface.</div><div><br></div><div>Am I ignorant here? Someone can't make a 'hold delay' feature in a current production looper because of a 'chip' no longer being made?</div><div><br></div><div>How does one explain that feature on the Pigtronix delay, then?</div><div><br></div><div>Don't reissue the damn thing, digitech, reinvent it. &nbsp;A pds based machine with tap tempo or 'first loop' length setting and a longer delay time would be a terribly fun box.<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Jul 16, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Scott Hansen &lt;<a href="mailto:evanpeewee@gmail.com">evanpeewee@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="gmail_quote">This is the response i got from digitech. nice they got back to me in a day. their answer is what i expected...oh well, i tried....s---<br><br><br>




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Okay. So assume we've recorded a master loop and we're going to record anoth=
er loop in parallel. Midway through the master loop, we start recording the n=
ew loop. At some point later, we end recording. The new loop length is round=
ed up to be a multiple of the master loop. We can then start and stop the ne=
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ead stop when stopped and hitting play causes the loop to start playing with=
 the same alignment to the master loop as when it was recorded =E2=80=94 i.e=
. instead of waiting for the start of the master loop it would wait for the a=
ppropriate offset in the master loop..

Mark

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> So if you create a new loop by starting out in the middle of another loop a=
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rded a master loop and we're going to record another loop in parallel. Midwa=
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ter, we end recording. The new loop length is rounded up to be a multiple of=
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y just acts like muting and unmuting it. One could also define a playback mo=
de in which the new loop progresses (silently) to a dead stop when stopped a=
nd hitting play causes the loop to start playing with the same alignment to t=
he master loop as when it was recorded =E2=80=94 i.e. instead of waiting for=
 the start of the master loop it would wait for the appropriate offset in th=
e master loop..</div><div><br></div><div>Mark<br><br>On Jul 16, 2012, at 1:3=
7 PM, Grant &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:grantmepeace@mindspring.com">grantmepeace@=
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Reverse *IS* important.=20
So is varispeed.=20
Half-speed backwards is SUCH a trip.=20

Tim Mungenast
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--- On Mon, 7/16/12, daniel <daniel@ithinkwethink.org> wrote:

From: daniel <daniel@ithinkwethink.org>
Subject: Re: my open letter to DIGITECH (begging for a better delay based l=
ooper)
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Monday, July 16, 2012, 5:36 PM

I gotta say, I really like my rc50 -- no static (no static) no static at al=
l. My rc20 did though after a while (had it seven years).=20
What I'm really sick of is Boss releasing all these loopers with the extra =
effects in them AND TAKING OUT THE REVERSE. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
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Which looper are you working with?=20

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Jeff Duke <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:
=0AHear hear Scott! As a delay pedal based looper I heartily agree!=20

Jeff

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<br>Half-speed backwards is SUCH a trip. <br><br><span style=3D"font-weight=
:bold;font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;">Tim Mungenast</span><br>=
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold;color:rgb(0, 0, 255);font-family:verdana, h=
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serif;font-style:italic;">www.linkedin.com/in/timmungenast</span><br style=
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:bold;color:rgb(0, 0, 255);font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;">Gui=
tarist/Composer/Vocalist:</span> <span style=3D"font-family:verdana, helvet=
ica, sans-serif;font-style:italic;">www.reverbnation.com/timmungenast</span=
><br><br>--- On <b>Mon, 7/16/12, daniel <i>&lt;daniel@ithinkwethink.org&gt;=
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 wrote:<br><blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); ma=
rgin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: daniel &lt;daniel@ithinkwethi=
nk.org&gt;<br>Subject: Re: my open letter to DIGITECH (begging for a better=
 delay based looper)<br>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br>Date: Mo=
nday, July 16, 2012, 5:36 PM<br><br><div id=3D"yiv1152707615">I gotta say, =
I really like my rc50 -- no static (no static) no static <a rel=3D"nofollow=
" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DkydXntPkql4">a=
t all</a>. My rc20 did though after a while (had it seven years). <br>What =
I'm really sick of is Boss releasing all these loopers with the extra effec=
ts in them AND TAKING OUT THE REVERSE. <a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank=
" href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DS5BMQ-xpTog">http://www.youtube.=
com/watch?v=3DS5BMQ-xpTog</a><br>=0A<br>Which looper are you working with? =
<br><br><div class=3D"yiv1152707615gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 4:4=
5 PM, Jeff Duke <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto=
:jeffloops@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"/mc/compose?to=3Djeffloops@=
gmail.com">jeffloops@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>=0A<blockquote clas=
s=3D"yiv1152707615gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Hear hear Scott! As a delay pedal based looper=
 I heartily agree! <br><br>Jeff<br><br><a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank=
" href=3D"http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/">http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/</a><=
br>=0A<br><div class=3D"yiv1152707615gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 7=
:20 PM, Scott Hansen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"m=
ailto:evanpeewee@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"/mc/compose?to=3Devan=
peewee@gmail.com">evanpeewee@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>=0A<blockqu=
ote class=3D"yiv1152707615gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-le=
ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div>decided to share what i did when =
i was bored yesterday.</div><div>&nbsp;</div></blockquote><br><div>&gt;snip=
<br>&nbsp;<br></div>=0A=0A<blockquote class=3D"yiv1152707615gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padd=
ing-left:1ex;">&nbsp;i'm just a guitarist who likes to use delay based loop=
ers, and am sick of all the phrase sampler loopers that =0A<div>get release=
d that really don't do anything except static loops.</div><div>thanks,</div=
><div>Scott Hansen</div>=0A</blockquote></div><br>=0A</blockquote></div><br=
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Right! The Boss DD 20 is a great delay w/23 secs and a good way to "hold"
but it has none of the other delay mangling abilities of the pds 8000.

The fact is that we are an extreme nitch in the world of corporate looping
tools design so why would they put money into it? We are the 1% of looping,
occupy Digitech!

J

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Richard Atkinson <thetoyroom@charter.net>wrote:

>
>
> Don't reissue the damn thing, digitech, reinvent it.  A pds based machine
> with tap tempo or 'first loop' length setting and a longer delay time would
> be a terribly fun box.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 16, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This is the response i got from digitech. nice they got back to me in a
> day. their answer is what i expected...oh well, i tried....s---
> < br>
> ** ** ** ** ** **
>
> Scott,****
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks for your comments. Some of the chips in the PDS 8000 are no longer
> manufactured, which makes a re-issue difficult and costly. Have you tried
> our JamMan Delay?****
>
> ** **
>
> Regards,****
>
> ** **
>
> Digitech Support****
>
>
>
>  ****
>
>
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>
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Right! The Boss DD 20 is a great delay w/23 secs and a good way to &quot;ho=
ld&quot; but it has none of the other delay mangling abilities of the pds 8=
000.<br><br>The fact is that we are an extreme nitch in the world of corpor=
ate looping tools design so why would they put money into it? We are the 1%=
 of looping, occupy Digitech! <br>
<br>J<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Ri=
chard Atkinson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:thetoyroom@charter.n=
et" target=3D"_blank">thetoyroom@charter.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #cc=
c solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><br><div><br></div><div>Don&#39;t reissue the damn=
 thing, digitech, reinvent it. =A0A pds based machine with tap tempo or &#3=
9;first loop&#39; length setting and a longer delay time would be a terribl=
y fun box.<br>
<br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Jul 16, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Scott Ha=
nsen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:evanpeewee@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">evanpeew=
ee@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type=3D"cit=
e">
<div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">This is the response i got from digitech. n=
ice they got back to me in a day. their answer is what i expected...oh well=
, i tried....s---<br>&lt;
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of the
chips in the PDS 8000 are no longer manufactured, which makes a re-issue
difficult and costly. Have you tried our JamMan Delay?<u></u><u></u></span>=
</font></p>

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--- On Mon, 7/16/12, Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com>
Subject: reissue the pds8000 (or a better delay based looper)-FOLLOWUP from=
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8719371gmail_quote">This is the response i got from digitech. nice they got=
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<P><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3Darial,sans-serif>I'm s=
lowly getting on board and this is an interesting approach. What happens wh=
en you "round up (down?). Is silence added?</FONT></FONT></FONT></P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3Darial,sans-serif>Just =
thinking that with the Rang III you could make a loop in Free mode and then=
 copy it to another empty loop, overdub it with 100% decay. Then you could =
start/stop or freely change directions, speeds, etc. at any time and the lo=
ops would still remain "synchronized" (probably not the right word)&nbsp;si=
nce they are exactly the same length. Might be hard to get them properly al=
igned again though unless you used Play-Stop-All. Not exactly the same but =
maybe something to play with.</FONT></FONT></FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3Darial,sans-serif></FON=
T></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
<P><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3Darial,sans-serif>G</P>
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<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MAR=
GIN-LEFT: 0px">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Mark Hamburg <MARK@GRUB=
MAH.COM><BR>Sent: Jul 16, 2012 6:34 PM <BR>To: Grant <GRANTMEPEACE@MINDSPRI=
NG.COM><BR>Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <LOOPERS-DELIGHT@LOOPE=
RS-DELIGHT.COM><BR>Subject: Re: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet? <BR><BR><ZZZHTML><ZZZ=
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<DIV>Okay. So assume we've recorded a master loop and we're going to record=
 another loop in parallel. Midway through the master loop, we start recordi=
ng the new loop. At some point later, we end recording. The new loop length=
 is rounded up to be a multiple of the master loop. We can then start and s=
top the new loop but doing so really just acts like muting and unmuting it.=
 One could also define a playback mode in which the new loop progresses (si=
lently) to a dead stop when stopped and hitting play causes the loop to sta=
rt playing with the same alignment to the master loop as when it was record=
ed =E2=80=94 i.e. instead of waiting for the start of the master loop it wo=
uld wait for the appropriate offset in the master loop..</DIV>
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<DIV>Mark<BR></DIV></ZZZBODY></ZZZHTML></LOOPERS-DELIGHT@LOOPERS-DELIGHT.CO=
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My point was that there is so much worse music out there, criticizing TG se=
ems excessively harsh. I mentioned Ringo because Backoff Boogaloo is a song=
 that could have been written by a 9 year old and certainly didn't require =
any analysis about the process used.=0A=A0=0AFrankly, I haven't actually HE=
ARD anything TG has done recently. =0A=A0=0AIn any case, I made a "mix" of =
several of their "heyday" albums (some of the stuff on their CD's is boring=
) and that mix still rocks today. =0A=A0=0ABTW, expletives don't bother me =
in the least as I ususally curse like a sailor!=0A=A0=0ARegards, Paul=0A =
=0A=0A________________________________=0A=A0 =0A(shame they turned out so s=
hit in the end...) =0A>> Harsh, man, harsh. Anything they may have evolved =
into is covered by their earlier successes. I mean, hell man, I heard Ringo=
 Starr recently discussing his songwriting process using the song Backoff B=
oogaloo as an example. Not 'xactly a song for the ages. =0A>>P=0AHa ha ha! =
Oops! Sorry!Im really not sure what the Backoff =0ABoogaloo thing was suppo=
sed to prove? Er.. Ringo wasnt exactly KNOWN for his er... "song" writing..=
. I can only think of Obladi and Yellow Sub =0AMarine... oops... I think I =
only sounded harsh cos I used an expletive, that often seems to offend Amer=
icans more than Europeans, I dont know why, (less religious perhaps, maybe =
Americans are more worried about offending, in case of law suits? ..OK kidd=
ing now... but there IS some cultural difference here...) anyway we=B4re al=
l =0Agrown-ups here arnt we? OK, I admit I was not writing a review here, j=
ust =0Aexpressing a personal opinion, to me, "The Tangs" have sounded like =
=0Aelevator music for the last 15 years... and if you say something like =
=0A"Well they proved them selves by their earlier works so they are allowed=
 to be crap now without anyone mentioning it.. well thats a bit silly .. ri=
ght? Do you LIKE what they do now, if so, argue with me... tell me why!!! =
=0APersonally I think its shit... but that in NO WAY takes away, for me, =
=0Ahow I feel about Ph=E6dra or Rubicon... Which are 2 or the darkest, =0Am=
oodiest, scariest, most gothic albums I have ever owned... No wonder =0Athe=
y sound good in churches!!!Despite the "shit" comment, Tangerine Dream are =
one of my favorite bands ever... Oh, just a small point Paul, can you remem=
ber to edit your mails so =0Athey dont keep the whole thread, it can be a b=
it annoying for the Digest users.. (Er.. Rick) Just the last relevant post =
is OK with most..cheersMark    
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>My point w=
as that there is so much worse music out there, criticizing TG seems excess=
ively harsh. I mentioned Ringo because Backoff Boogaloo is a song that coul=
d have been written by a 9 year old and certainly didn't require any analys=
is about the process used.</span></div><div><span></span>&nbsp;</div><div><=
span>Frankly, I haven't actually HEARD anything TG has done recently. </spa=
n></div><div><span></span>&nbsp;</div><div><span>In any case, I made a "mix=
" of several of their "heyday" albums (some of the stuff on their CD's is b=
oring) and that mix still rocks today. </span></div><div><span></span>&nbsp=
;</div><div><span>BTW, expletives don't bother me in the least as I ususall=
y curse like a sailor!</span></div><div><span></span>&nbsp;</div><div><span=
>Regards, Paul</span></div><div><br></div>  <div style=3D"font-family:
 times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style=3D"=
font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"> <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <div style=3D"margin: 5px =
0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; line-=
height: 0; font-size: 0px;" class=3D"hr" contentEditable=3D"false" readonly=
=3D"true"></div>&nbsp; </font></div><div id=3D"yiv1555617742"><div class=3D=
"yiv1555617742gmail_quote"><blockquote style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; =
padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width=
: 1px; border-left-style: solid;" class=3D"yiv1555617742gmail_quote"><div c=
lass=3D"yiv1555617742gmail_quote">=0A=0A<blockquote style=3D"margin: 0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); bord=
er-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;" class=3D"yiv1555617742gmail_=
quote">=0A<div><div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times,=
 serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div class=3D"yiv1555617742im"><div><span>(shame =
they turned out so shit in the end...)</span></div>=0A=0A<div><span></span>=
 <span>Harsh, man, harsh. Anything they may have evolved into is covered by=
 their earlier successes. I mean, hell man, I heard Ringo Starr recently di=
scussing his songwriting process using the song Backoff Boogaloo as an exam=
ple. Not 'xactly a song for the ages.<var></var></span></div>=0A=0A=0A=0A<d=
iv><span></span><wbr></div></div><div><span>P</span></div></div></div></blo=
ckquote><div><wbr></div></div></blockquote></div><div>Ha ha ha! Oops! Sorry=
!<wbr>Im really not sure what the Backoff =0ABoogaloo thing was supposed to=
 prove? Er.. Ringo wasnt exactly KNOWN for=0A his er... "song" writing... I=
 can only think of Obladi and Yellow Sub =0AMarine... oops...<wbr><wbr>=0AI=
 think I only sounded harsh cos I used an expletive, that often seems to of=
fend Americans more than Europeans, I dont know why, (less religious perhap=
s, maybe Americans are more worried about offending, in case of law suits? =
..OK kidding now... but there IS some cultural difference here...) anyway w=
e=B4re all =0Agrown-ups here arnt we? <wbr>OK, I admit I was not writing a =
review here, just =0Aexpressing a personal opinion, to me, "The Tangs" have=
 sounded like =0Aelevator music for the last 15 years... and if you say som=
ething like =0A"Well they proved them selves by their earlier works so they=
 are allowed=0A to be crap now without anyone mentioning it.. well thats a =
bit silly ..=0A right?<wbr><wbr>=0ADo you LIKE what they do now, if so, arg=
ue with me... tell me why!!! =0APersonally I think its shit... but that in =
NO WAY takes away, for me, =0Ahow I feel about Ph=E6dra or Rubicon... Which=
 are 2 or the darkest, =0Amoodiest, scariest, most gothic albums I have eve=
r owned... No wonder =0Athey sound good in churches!!!<wbr>Despite the "shi=
t" comment, Tangerine Dream are one of my favorite bands ever... <wbr><wbr>=
Oh, just a small point Paul, can you remember to edit your mails so =0Athey=
 dont keep the whole thread, it can be a bit annoying for the Digest=0A use=
rs.. (Er.. Rick) Just the last relevant post is OK with most..<wbr><wbr>che=
ers<wbr><wbr>Mark<wbr><wbr><span class=3D"yiv1555617742HOEnZb"><font color=
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First off, apologies for bringing up computers, I didn't mean to hijack the
thread.

And Gareth, that's a super generous offer. How do you create VSTs, do you
use SynthEdit? As a (hack) programmer I'd be a little ashamed to have
someone write me custom software.

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Gareth Whittock
<buddhamachine@live.co.uk>wrote:

>  Art, if this is preventing you from creating the sounds you want, I'll
> can probably make you one.
> Get in touch off-list if you're interested and let me know exactly what
> you'd like. I've been thinking of doing boutique VST's for artists  for a
> while and this could be a useful exercise..
>
> peace
>
> g
>
>
> Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:43:51 -0700
> Subject: Re: my open letter to DIGITECH (begging for a better delay based
> looper)
> From: simart@gmail.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>
>
> Hi Gareth & Per,
>
> I'm PC based, and I just went through the process of upgrading to 64 bit
> Windows. What a pain! As an aside, that's another big advantage for MacOS
> that you don't have to choose to install 32 bit or 64 bit.
>
> I haven't tried the PSP42 with Ableton, so I haven't seen the bug Per
> mentioned. In fact I haven't used PSP42 in a while. As I upgrade or
> reinstall Windows, I find I don't have the patience to reauthorize all my
> copy protected VSTs. The paid apps that I really use are Ableton, EnergyXT,
> Stylus RMX and Trillian. Everything else I use is freeware, which is still
> an advantage of PCs. I looked for a freeware delay where you could crank
> the speed up and down like you can on the PDS8000, but I didn't find one.
>
> --
> Art Simon
> simart@gmail.com
>
>


-- 
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First off, apologies for bringing up computers, I didn&#39;t mean to hijack=
 the thread.<div><br></div><div>And Gareth, that&#39;s a super generous off=
er. How do you create VSTs, do you use SynthEdit? As a (hack) programmer I&=
#39;d be a little ashamed to have someone write me custom software.<br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Gareth Whi=
ttock <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:buddhamachine@live.co.uk" tar=
get=3D"_blank">buddhamachine@live.co.uk</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc sol=
id;padding-left:1ex">



<div><div dir=3D"ltr">
Art, if this is preventing you from creating the sounds you want, I&#39;ll =
can probably make you one.=A0<div>Get in touch off-list if you&#39;re inter=
ested and let me know exactly what you&#39;d like. I&#39;ve been thinking o=
f doing boutique VST&#39;s for artists =A0for a while and this could be a u=
seful exercise..<div>
<br></div><div>peace</div><div><br></div><div>g<br><div><div class=3D"im"><=
br><br>Gareth Whittock, sound artist: <a href=3D"http://garethwhittock.co.u=
k" target=3D"_blank">garethwhittock.co.uk</a><br><br></div><div><div></div>=
<hr>
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:43:51 -0700<br>Subject: Re: my open letter to DIG=
ITECH (begging for a better delay based looper)<br>From: <a href=3D"mailto:=
simart@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">simart@gmail.com</a><br>To: <a href=3D"=
mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" target=3D"_blank">Loopers-Delig=
ht@loopers-delight.com</a><div>
<div class=3D"h5"><br><br>Hi Gareth &amp; Per,<div><br></div><div>I&#39;m P=
C based, and I just went through the process of upgrading to 64 bit Windows=
. What a pain! As an aside, that&#39;s another big advantage for MacOS that=
 you don&#39;t have to choose to install 32 bit or 64 bit.</div>

<div><br></div><div>I haven&#39;t tried the PSP42 with Ableton, so I haven&=
#39;t seen the bug Per mentioned. In fact I haven&#39;t used PSP42 in a whi=
le. As I upgrade or reinstall Windows, I find I don&#39;t have the patience=
 to reauthorize all my copy protected VSTs. The paid apps that I really use=
 are Ableton, EnergyXT, Stylus RMX and Trillian. Everything else I use is f=
reeware, which is still an advantage of PCs. I looked for a freeware delay =
where you could crank the speed up and down like you can on the PDS8000, bu=
t I didn&#39;t find one.<br>

<br><div>--=A0</div>Art Simon<br><a href=3D"mailto:simart@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">simart@gmail.com</a><br><br>
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Hi Art=2CYes I been using use Synthedit. If you're programmer=2C you'll pic=
k it up in no time. It's great fun!
peace
g

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

Date: Mon=2C 16 Jul 2012 20:18:54 -0700
Subject: Re: my open letter to DIGITECH (begging for a better delay based l=
ooper)
From: simart@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

First off=2C apologies for bringing up computers=2C I didn't mean to hijack=
 the thread.
And Gareth=2C that's a super generous offer. How do you create VSTs=2C do y=
ou use SynthEdit? As a (hack) programmer I'd be a little ashamed to have so=
meone write me custom software.


On Mon=2C Jul 16=2C 2012 at 11:25 AM=2C Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live=
.co.uk> wrote:





Art=2C if this is preventing you from creating the sounds you want=2C I'll =
can probably make you one. Get in touch off-list if you're interested and l=
et me know exactly what you'd like. I've been thinking of doing boutique VS=
T's for artists  for a while and this could be a useful exercise..

peace
g


Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk


Date: Mon=2C 16 Jul 2012 09:43:51 -0700
Subject: Re: my open letter to DIGITECH (begging for a better delay based l=
ooper)
From: simart@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com


Hi Gareth & Per=2C
I'm PC based=2C and I just went through the process of upgrading to 64 bit =
Windows. What a pain! As an aside=2C that's another big advantage for MacOS=
 that you don't have to choose to install 32 bit or 64 bit.


I haven't tried the PSP42 with Ableton=2C so I haven't seen the bug Per men=
tioned. In fact I haven't used PSP42 in a while. As I upgrade or reinstall =
Windows=2C I find I don't have the patience to reauthorize all my copy prot=
ected VSTs. The paid apps that I really use are Ableton=2C EnergyXT=2C Styl=
us RMX and Trillian. Everything else I use is freeware=2C which is still an=
 advantage of PCs. I looked for a freeware delay where you could crank the =
speed up and down like you can on the PDS8000=2C but I didn't find one.



-- Art Simon
simart@gmail.com


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simart@gmail.com


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v><div><br></div><div>g<br><br>Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: <a href=3D"=
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To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br><br>First off=2C apologies for b=
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div>And Gareth=2C that's a super generous offer. How do you create VSTs=2C =
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rested and let me know exactly what you'd like. I've been thinking of doing=
 boutique VST's for artists &nbsp=3Bfor a while and this could be a useful =
exercise..<div>
<br></div><div>peace</div><div><br></div><div>g<br><div><div class=3D"ecxim=
"><br><br>Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: <a href=3D"http://garethwhittock=
.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">garethwhittock.co.uk</a><br><br></div><div><div><=
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Date: Mon=2C 16 Jul 2012 09:43:51 -0700<br>Subject: Re: my open letter to D=
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C based=2C and I just went through the process of upgrading to 64 bit Windo=
ws. What a pain! As an aside=2C that's another big advantage for MacOS that=
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<div><br></div><div>I haven't tried the PSP42 with Ableton=2C so I haven't =
seen the bug Per mentioned. In fact I haven't used PSP42 in a while. As I u=
pgrade or reinstall Windows=2C I find I don't have the patience to reauthor=
ize all my copy protected VSTs. The paid apps that I really use are Ableton=
=2C EnergyXT=2C Stylus RMX and Trillian. Everything else I use is freeware=
=2C which is still an advantage of PCs. I looked for a freeware delay where=
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Just a question: the PDS-8000 and the rack-mount RDS-8000 are basically the
same beast?

Cheers from Italy,
Alessandro



2012/7/17 Jeff Duke <jeffloops@gmail.com>

> Right! The Boss DD 20 is a great delay w/23 secs and a good way to "hold"
> but it has none of the other delay mangling abilities of the pds 8000.
>
> The fact is that we are an extreme nitch in the world of corporate looping
> tools design so why would they put money into it? We are the 1% of looping,
> occupy Digitech!
>
> J
>
> On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Richard Atkinson <thetoyroom@charter.net>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Don't reissue the damn thing, digitech, reinvent it.  A pds based machine
>> with tap tempo or 'first loop' length setting and a longer delay time would
>> be a terribly fun box.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 16, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> This is the response i got from digitech. nice they got back to me in a
>> day. their answer is what i expected...oh well, i tried....s---
>> < br>
>> ** ** ** ** ** **
>>
>> Scott,****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Thanks for your comments. Some of the chips in the PDS 8000 are no longer
>> manufactured, which makes a re-issue difficult and costly. Have you tried
>> our JamMan Delay?****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Regards,****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Digitech Support****
>>
>>
>>
>>  ****
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Just a question: the PDS-8000 and the rack-mount RDS-8000 are basically the=
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lass=3D"gmail_quote">2012/7/17 Jeff Duke <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:jeffloops@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jeffloops@gmail.com</a>&gt;</s=
pan><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Right! The Boss DD 20 is =
a great delay w/23 secs and a good way to &quot;hold&quot; but it has none =
of the other delay mangling abilities of the pds 8000.<br>
<br>The fact is that we are an extreme nitch in the world of corporate loop=
ing tools design so why would they put money into it? We are the 1% of loop=
ing, occupy Digitech! <br>
<br>J<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Ri=
chard Atkinson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:thetoyroom@charter.n=
et" target=3D"_blank">thetoyroom@charter.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><bloc=
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<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><br><div><br></div><div>Don&#39;t reissue the damn=
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<br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Jul 16, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Scott Ha=
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<div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">This is the response i got from digitech. n=
ice they got back to me in a day. their answer is what i expected...oh well=
, i tried....s---<br>&lt;
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of the
chips in the PDS 8000 are no longer manufactured, which makes a re-issue
difficult and costly. Have you tried our JamMan Delay?<u></u><u></u></span>=
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Obladi =3D Sir Paul
Yellow Submarine =3D Genius


--- On Mon, 7/16/12, Paul Richards <paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Paul Richards <paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream
To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.=
com>
Date: Monday, July 16, 2012, 8:56 PM

My point was that there is so much worse music out there, criticizing TG se=
ems excessively harsh. I mentioned Ringo because Backoff Boogaloo is a song=
 that could have been written by a 9 year old and certainly didn't require =
any analysis about the process used.=A0Frankly, I haven't actually HEARD an=
ything TG has done recently. =A0In any case, I made a "mix" of several of t=
heir "heyday" albums (some of the stuff on their CD's is boring) and that m=
ix still rocks today. =A0BTW, expletives don't bother me in the least as I =
ususally curse like a sailor!=A0Regards, Paul
      =A0 =0A=0A=0A(shame they turned out so shit in the end...)=0A=0A Hars=
h, man, harsh. Anything they may have evolved into is covered by their earl=
ier successes. I mean, hell man, I heard Ringo Starr recently discussing hi=
s songwriting process using the song Backoff Boogaloo as an example. Not 'x=
actly a song for the ages.=0A=0A=0A=0APHa ha ha! Oops! Sorry! Im really not=
 sure what the Backoff =0ABoogaloo thing was supposed to prove? Er.. Ringo =
wasnt exactly KNOWN for=0A his er... "song" writing... I can only think of =
Obladi and Yellow Sub =0AMarine... oops... =0AI think I only sounded harsh =
cos I used an expletive, that often seems to offend Americans more than Eur=
opeans, I dont know why, (less religious perhaps, maybe Americans are more =
worried about offending, in case of law suits? ..OK kidding now... but ther=
e IS some cultural difference here...) anyway we=B4re all =0Agrown-ups here=
 arnt we? OK, I admit I was not writing a review here, just =0Aexpressing a=
 personal opinion, to me, "The Tangs" have sounded like =0Aelevator music f=
or the last 15 years... and if you say something like =0A"Well they proved =
them selves by their earlier works so they are allowed=0A to be crap now wi=
thout anyone mentioning it.. well thats a bit silly ..=0A right? =0ADo you =
LIKE what they do now, if so, argue with me... tell me why!!! =0APersonally=
 I think its shit... but that in NO WAY takes away, for me, =0Ahow I feel a=
bout Ph=E6dra or Rubicon... Which are 2 or the darkest, =0Amoodiest, scarie=
st, most gothic albums I have ever owned... No wonder =0Athey sound good in=
 churches!!! Despite the "shit" comment, Tangerine Dream are one of my favo=
rite bands ever... Oh, just a small point Paul, can you remember to edit yo=
ur mails so =0Athey dont keep the whole thread, it can be a bit annoying fo=
r the Digest=0A users.. (Er.. Rick) Just the last relevant post is OK with =
most.. cheers Mark=0A    
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top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;font-family:v=
erdana, helvetica, sans-serif;">Obladi =3D Sir Paul<br>Yellow Submarine =3D=
 Genius<br><br><br></span>--- On <b>Mon, 7/16/12, Paul Richards <i>&lt;paul=
richard_rocks@yahoo.com&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style=3D"border-l=
eft: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>=
From: Paul Richards &lt;paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com&gt;<br>Subject: Re: OT:=
 Tangerine Dream<br>To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" &lt;Loopers-D=
elight@loopers-delight.com&gt;<br>Date: Monday, July 16, 2012, 8:56 PM<br><=
br><div id=3D"yiv1267471572"><div><div style=3D"color:#000;background-color=
:#fff;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;">=
<div><span>My point was that there is so much worse music out there, critic=
izing TG seems excessively harsh. I mentioned Ringo because Backoff Boogalo=
o is a song
 that could have been written by a 9 year old and certainly didn't require =
any analysis about the process used.</span></div><div><span></span>&nbsp;</=
div><div><span>Frankly, I haven't actually HEARD anything TG has done recen=
tly. </span></div><div><span></span>&nbsp;</div><div><span>In any case, I m=
ade a "mix" of several of their "heyday" albums (some of the stuff on their=
 CD's is boring) and that mix still rocks today. </span></div><div><span></=
span>&nbsp;</div><div><span>BTW, expletives don't bother me in the least as=
 I ususally curse like a sailor!</span></div><div><span></span>&nbsp;</div>=
<div><span>Regards, Paul</span></div><div><br></div>  <div style=3D"=0Afont=
-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div styl=
e=3D"font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"> =
<div dir=3D"ltr"> <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <div style=3D"margin:5px=
 0px;padding:0px;border:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);height:0px;line-height=
:0;font-size:0px;" class=3D"yiv1267471572hr"></div>&nbsp; </font></div><div=
 id=3D"yiv1267471572"><div class=3D"yiv1267471572gmail_quote"><blockquote s=
tyle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204=
, 204, 204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;" class=3D"yiv126=
7471572gmail_quote"><div class=3D"yiv1267471572gmail_quote">=0A=0A<blockquo=
te style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb=
(204, 204, 204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;" class=3D"yi=
v1267471572gmail_quote">=0A<div><div style=3D"font-family:times new roman, =
new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"><div class=3D"yiv1267471572im"><div=
><span>(shame they turned out so shit in the end...)</span></div>=0A=0A<div=
><span></span> <span>Harsh, man, harsh. Anything they may have evolved into=
 is covered by their earlier successes. I mean, hell man, I heard Ringo Sta=
rr recently discussing his songwriting process using the song Backoff Booga=
loo as an example. Not 'xactly a song for the ages.<var></var></span></div>=
=0A=0A=0A=0A<div><span></span></div></div><div><span>P</span></div></div></=
div></blockquote><div></div></div></blockquote></div><div>Ha ha ha! Oops! S=
orry! Im really not sure what the Backoff =0ABoogaloo thing was supposed to=
 prove? Er.. Ringo wasnt exactly KNOWN for=0A his er... "song" writing... I=
 can only think of Obladi and Yellow Sub =0AMarine... oops... =0AI think I =
only sounded harsh cos I used an expletive, that often seems to offend Amer=
icans more than Europeans, I dont know why, (less religious perhaps, maybe =
Americans are more worried about offending, in case of law suits? ..OK kidd=
ing now... but there IS some cultural difference here...) anyway we=B4re al=
l =0Agrown-ups here arnt we? OK, I admit I was not writing a review here, j=
ust =0Aexpressing a personal opinion, to me, "The Tangs" have sounded like =
=0Aelevator music for the last 15 years... and if you say something like =
=0A"Well they proved them selves by their earlier works so they are allowed=
=0A to be crap now without anyone mentioning it.. well thats a bit silly ..=
=0A right? =0ADo you LIKE what they do now, if so, argue with me... tell me=
 why!!! =0APersonally I think its shit... but that in NO WAY takes away, fo=
r me, =0Ahow I feel about Ph=E6dra or Rubicon... Which are 2 or the darkest=
, =0Amoodiest, scariest, most gothic albums I have ever owned... No wonder =
=0Athey sound good in churches!!! Despite the "shit" comment, Tangerine Dre=
am are one of my favorite bands ever... Oh, just a small point Paul, can yo=
u remember to edit your mails so =0Athey dont keep the whole thread, it can=
 be a bit annoying for the Digest=0A users.. (Er.. Rick) Just the last rele=
vant post is OK with most.. cheers Mark<span class=3D"yiv1267471572HOEnZb">=
<font color=3D"#888888"></font></span></div>=0A</div> </div> </div>  </div>=
</div></div></blockquote></td></tr></table>
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well, i tried. i know i've read posts that david torn has also worked w/
co's and begged them for something. he was supposed to be working
on something w/ zoom, but that was a while ago...

i realize that co's bottom line is they put something out and it has to
sell to a lot of people for them to keep making it. hence the success of
boss dd series.
obviously that type of delay is successful for most folks. i guess i'm just
sick of the static phrase samplers that is just tacked on to delays or
multi-fx and they
can say: hey we have a 20 or 40 sec looper on it too...

my looping as of late has been w:
my digitech dl8 (which i probably still like the best-although i wish it
varispeed instead of just the warp mangle)
eh smmh-which i think is a quirky device, i'm not a fan of the have to hold
the button to activate loop stuff-hence my love of delays-you just turn the
delay on
and PLAY! if you don't like it, you play more....i realize i'm in the
minority. but the ability to varispeed and reverse it, is a bonus....and
the reason why i actually like it still right now....

in thinking of when i had my eh 16 ddl-ri...i wish EH would just take the
30 sec of looping that the smmh has and make that a delay looper, you just
turn it on like a delay, but instead of
the sliders of the 16 ddl, you have the knobs of the smmh. i do like the
layout and feel of the smmh.

the other funny thing i've been thinking of getting out is my behringer
tweakalizer---the thing i like about that-it has a BIG RECORD
BUTTON...perfect for simpletons like me. and hey it has reverse, and the
"pitch" thing sort of mimics varispeeding....it's not exact....

yes, i will admit-when i saw that boss' new RC series got rid of the
reverse, i thought that was strange.

maybe my next letter should be to EH...begging them to make a 30 sec delay
based looper! spending my whole summer emaling co's! ha!
s---

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<div>well, i tried. i know i&#39;ve read posts that david torn has also wor=
ked w/ co&#39;s and begged them for something. he was supposed to be workin=
g</div><div>on something w/ zoom, but that was a while ago...</div><div>

=A0</div><div>i realize that co&#39;s bottom line is they put something out=
 and it has to sell to a lot of people for them to keep making it. hence th=
e success of boss dd series.</div><div>obviously that type of delay is succ=
essful for most folks. i guess i&#39;m just sick of the static phrase sampl=
ers that is just tacked on to delays or multi-fx and they</div>

<div>can say: hey we have a 20 or 40 sec looper on it too...</div><div>=A0<=
/div><div>my looping as of late has been w:</div><div>my digitech dl8 (whic=
h i probably still like the best-although i wish it varispeed instead of ju=
st the warp mangle)</div>

<div>eh smmh-which i think is a quirky device, i&#39;m not a fan of the hav=
e to hold the button to activate loop stuff-hence my love of delays-you jus=
t turn the delay on</div><div>and PLAY! if you don&#39;t like it, you play =
more....i realize i&#39;m in the minority. but the ability to varispeed and=
 reverse it, is a bonus....and the reason why i actually like it still righ=
t now....</div>

<div>=A0</div><div>in thinking of when i had my eh 16 ddl-ri...i wish EH wo=
uld just take the 30 sec of looping that the smmh has and make that a delay=
 looper, you just turn it on like a delay, but instead of</div><div>the sli=
ders of the 16 ddl, you have the knobs of the smmh. i do like the layout an=
d feel of the smmh.</div>
<div>=A0</div><div>the other funny thing i&#39;ve been thinking of getting =
out is my behringer tweakalizer---the thing i like about that-it has a BIG =
RECORD BUTTON...perfect for simpletons like me. and hey it has reverse, and=
 the &quot;pitch&quot; thing sort of mimics varispeeding....it&#39;s not ex=
act....</div>
<div>=A0</div><div>yes, i will admit-when i saw that boss&#39; new RC serie=
s got rid of the reverse, i thought that was strange.</div><div>=A0</div><d=
iv>maybe my next letter should be to EH...begging them to make a 30 sec del=
ay based looper! spending my whole summer emaling co&#39;s! ha!</div>
<div>s---</div>

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It's funny that Digitech snatched the name "JamMan" from an already
existing looper by Lexicon and put out a new product with the same
name but not as good as the (orignal) JamMan ;-)  The letter Scott
received in return shows that the Digi folks do not understand the
difference between these two JamMans, so to me it doesn't seem
probable this company will ever produce a good looper.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen

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Whatever haranguing you do is greatly appreciated by your pals here in Loop=
yland. Whether you get anywhere or not, it's all for the good, sez I.



--- On Tue, 7/17/12, Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com>
Subject: reissue the pds8000 (or a better delay based looper)-FOLLOWUP from=
 DIGITECH
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 12:44 PM

well, i tried. i know i've read posts that david torn has also worked w/ co=
's and begged them for something. he was supposed to be workingon something=
 w/ zoom, but that was a while ago...=0A=0A=A0i realize that co's bottom li=
ne is they put something out and it has to sell to a lot of people for them=
 to keep making it. hence the success of boss dd series.obviously that type=
 of delay is successful for most folks. i guess i'm just sick of the static=
 phrase samplers that is just tacked on to delays or multi-fx and they=0A=
=0Acan say: hey we have a 20 or 40 sec looper on it too...=A0my looping as =
of late has been w:my digitech dl8 (which i probably still like the best-al=
though i wish it varispeed instead of just the warp mangle)=0A=0Aeh smmh-wh=
ich i think is a quirky device, i'm not a fan of the have to hold the butto=
n to activate loop stuff-hence my love of delays-you just turn the delay on=
and PLAY! if you don't like it, you play more....i realize i'm in the minor=
ity. but the ability to varispeed and reverse it, is a bonus....and the rea=
son why i actually like it still right now....=0A=0A=A0in thinking of when =
i had my eh 16 ddl-ri...i wish EH would just take the 30 sec of looping tha=
t the smmh has and make that a delay looper, you just turn it on like a del=
ay, but instead ofthe sliders of the 16 ddl, you have the knobs of the smmh=
. i do like the layout and feel of the smmh.=0A=A0the other funny thing i'v=
e been thinking of getting out is my behringer tweakalizer---the thing i li=
ke about that-it has a BIG RECORD BUTTON...perfect for simpletons like me. =
and hey it has reverse, and the "pitch" thing sort of mimics varispeeding..=
..it's not exact....=0A=A0yes, i will admit-when i saw that boss' new RC se=
ries got rid of the reverse, i thought that was strange.=A0maybe my next le=
tter should be to EH...begging them to make a 30 sec delay based looper! sp=
ending my whole summer emaling co's! ha!=0As---=0A
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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><br>Whatever haranguing you do is greatly app=
reciated by your pals here in Loopyland. Whether you get anywhere or not, i=
t's all for the good, sez I.<br><br><br><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;fon=
t-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;"></span><br>--- On <b>Tue, 7/17/12=
, Scott Hansen <i>&lt;evanpeewee@gmail.com&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br><blockquot=
e style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; paddi=
ng-left: 5px;"><br>From: Scott Hansen &lt;evanpeewee@gmail.com&gt;<br>Subje=
ct: reissue the pds8000 (or a better delay based looper)-FOLLOWUP from DIGI=
TECH<br>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br>Date: Tuesday, July 17, =
2012, 12:44 PM<br><br><div id=3D"yiv2011696090"><div>well, i tried. i know =
i've read posts that david torn has also worked w/ co's and begged them for=
 something. he was supposed to be working</div><div>on something w/ zoom, b=
ut that
 was a while ago...</div><div>=0A=0A&nbsp;</div><div>i realize that co's bo=
ttom line is they put something out and it has to sell to a lot of people f=
or them to keep making it. hence the success of boss dd series.</div><div>o=
bviously that type of delay is successful for most folks. i guess i'm just =
sick of the static phrase samplers that is just tacked on to delays or mult=
i-fx and they</div>=0A=0A<div>can say: hey we have a 20 or 40 sec looper on=
 it too...</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>my looping as of late has been w:</di=
v><div>my digitech dl8 (which i probably still like the best-although i wis=
h it varispeed instead of just the warp mangle)</div>=0A=0A<div>eh smmh-whi=
ch i think is a quirky device, i'm not a fan of the have to hold the button=
 to activate loop stuff-hence my love of delays-you just turn the delay on<=
/div><div>and PLAY! if you don't like it, you play more....i realize i'm in=
 the minority. but the ability to varispeed and reverse it, is a bonus....a=
nd the reason why i actually like it still right now....</div>=0A=0A<div>&n=
bsp;</div><div>in thinking of when i had my eh 16 ddl-ri...i wish EH would =
just take the 30 sec of looping that the smmh has and make that a delay loo=
per, you just turn it on like a delay, but instead of</div><div>the sliders=
 of the 16 ddl, you have the knobs of the smmh. i do like the layout and fe=
el of the smmh.</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div><div>the other funny thing i've be=
en thinking of getting out is my behringer tweakalizer---the thing i like a=
bout that-it has a BIG RECORD BUTTON...perfect for simpletons like me. and =
hey it has reverse, and the "pitch" thing sort of mimics varispeeding....it=
's not exact....</div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div><div>yes, i will admit-when i saw=
 that boss' new RC series got rid of the reverse, i thought that was strang=
e.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>maybe my next letter should be to EH...beggin=
g them to make a 30 sec delay based looper! spending my whole summer emalin=
g co's! ha!</div>=0A<div>s---</div>=0A</div></blockquote></td></tr></table>
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I used to work for Lexicon. =0A=0ATheir parent company, Harman (also Digi's=
 parent co) was/is all about turning their backs n whatever cool stuff they=
 used to do, and killing off their corporate children in a sort of white-co=
llar Munchausen By Proxy. =0A=0AI was there when the corporate suits too Le=
xicon off the building's exterior and replaced it with harman Specialty Gro=
up. =0A=0AI was there when the suits threw historically significant prototy=
pes into the dumpster.=0A=0AI say this to illustrate what kind of people yo=
u are dealing with.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A--- On Tue, 7/17/12, Per Boysen <perbo=
ysen@gmail.com> wrote:=0A=0A> From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>=0A> Su=
bject: Re: reissue the pds8000 (or a better delay based looper)-FOLLOWUP fr=
om DIGITECH=0A> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A> Date: Tuesday, =
July 17, 2012, 1:05 PM=0A> It's funny that Digitech snatched the=0A> name "=
JamMan" from an already=0A> existing looper by Lexicon and put out a new pr=
oduct with=0A> the same=0A> name but not as good as the (orignal) JamMan ;-=
)=A0 The=0A> letter Scott=0A> received in return shows that the Digi folks =
do not=0A> understand the=0A> difference between these two JamMans, so to m=
e it doesn't=0A> seem=0A> probable this company will ever produce a good lo=
oper.=0A> =0A> Greetings from Sweden=0A> =0A> Per Boysen=0A> www.perboysen.=
com=0A> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen=0A> =0A> 

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<head><style>body{font-size:10pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}p{margin:0px;}</style></head><body><font color="#000000"><font size="2"><font face="arial,sans-serif">basically the same unit-yes-more tweakability on the rack mount-w/ pots for dry and wet-plus a pot to choose-loop length-or as they call it-'delay range'. still has the 2 to 8 second range and the variable 'delay time'-usable on the fly or once you have a loop locked in.<br></font></font></font><blockquote style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid">-----Original Message-----
<br>From: alessandro <alefisc@gmail.com>
<br>Sent: Jul 17, 2012 6:25 AM
<br>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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<br><br>Just a question: the PDS-8000 and the rack-mount RDS-8000 are basically the same beast?<br><br>Cheers from Italy, <br>Alessandro<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/7/17 Jeff Duke <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a target="_blank" href="mailto:jeffloops@gmail.com">jeffloops@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Right! The Boss DD 20 is a great delay w/23 secs and a good way to "hold" but it has none of the other delay mangling abilities of the pds 8000.<br>
<br>The fact is that we are an extreme nitch in the world of corporate looping tools design so why would they put money into it? We are the 1% of looping, occupy Digitech! <br>
<br>J<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Richard Atkinson <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a target="_blank" href="mailto:thetoyroom@charter.net">thetoyroom@charter.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><br><div><br></div><div>Don't reissue the damn thing, digitech, reinvent it. &nbsp;A pds based machine with tap tempo or 'first loop' length setting and a longer delay time would be a terribly fun box.<br>

<br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Jul 16, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Scott Hansen &lt;<a target="_blank" href="mailto:evanpeewee@gmail.com">evanpeewee@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite">

<div><div class="gmail_quote">This is the response i got from digitech. nice they got back to me in a day. their answer is what i expected...oh well, i tried....s---<br>&lt;
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="color:navy;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt">Thanks for your comments. Some of the
chips in the PDS 8000 are no longer manufactured, which makes a re-issue
difficult and costly. Have you tried our JamMan Delay?<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="color:navy;font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>

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I'm going on tour in Sept with my group 3dCosby (our
bandcamp)<http://www.3dCosby.bandcamp.com>and we're now rocking as a
duo. It's sweet and we have great chemistry as a
duo (considering we've been friends since we're toddlers and playing music
together for 20 years) BUT we're trying to figure out how to fill out the
sound (aside from my looping), you know, bring in the low end smiles. Matt
(my other half) plays drums and is using a Korg sampler, but  it's a bit
cumbersome for him to be hitting little buttons while also playing crazy
beats. We've talked with a friend about building some aesthetically
enjoyable midi-triggers (e.g. into old action figures or pillows).

I was thinking it'd be cool to get a PedalKeyboard and do some simple
basslines whilst guitaring around.

Here's the rub: I can't afford a super nice one.

Anyone have some experience with these? Recommendations? Anybody have an
old one they're looking to sell? I'd potentially be interested in trading
for other gear, too...

Thanks!
Dan

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I&#39;m going on tour in Sept with my group 3dCosby <a href=3D"http://www.3=
dCosby.bandcamp.com">(our bandcamp)</a> and we&#39;re now rocking as a duo.=
 It&#39;s sweet and we have great chemistry as a duo (considering we&#39;ve=
 been friends since we&#39;re toddlers and playing music together for 20 ye=
ars) BUT we&#39;re trying to figure out how to fill out the sound (aside fr=
om my looping), you know, bring in the low end smiles. Matt (my other half)=
 plays drums and is using a Korg sampler, but=A0 it&#39;s a bit cumbersome =
for him to be hitting little buttons while also playing crazy beats. We&#39=
;ve talked with a friend about building some aesthetically enjoyable midi-t=
riggers (e.g. into old action figures or pillows). <br>
<br>I was thinking it&#39;d be cool to get a PedalKeyboard and do some simp=
le basslines whilst guitaring around. <br><br>Here&#39;s the rub: I can&#39=
;t afford a super nice one. <br><br>Anyone have some experience with these?=
 Recommendations? Anybody have an old one they&#39;re looking to sell? I&#3=
9;d potentially be interested in trading for other gear, too...<br>
<br>Thanks!<br>Dan <br>

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have you messed with the eh-2880?

On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Tim Mungenast <tmungenast@verizon.net>wrote:

> I used to work for Lexicon.
>
> Their parent company, Harman (also Digi's parent co) was/is all about
> turning their backs n whatever cool stuff they used to do, and killing off
> their corporate children in a sort of white-collar Munchausen By Proxy.
>
> I was there when the corporate suits too Lexicon off the building's
> exterior and replaced it with harman Specialty Group.
>
> I was there when the suits threw historically significant prototypes into
> the dumpster.
>
> I say this to illustrate what kind of people you are dealing with.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 7/17/12, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: reissue the pds8000 (or a better delay based
> looper)-FOLLOWUP from DIGITECH
> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 1:05 PM
> > It's funny that Digitech snatched the
> > name "JamMan" from an already
> > existing looper by Lexicon and put out a new product with
> > the same
> > name but not as good as the (orignal) JamMan ;-)  The
> > letter Scott
> > received in return shows that the Digi folks do not
> > understand the
> > difference between these two JamMans, so to me it doesn't
> > seem
> > probable this company will ever produce a good looper.
> >
> > Greetings from Sweden
> >
> > Per Boysen
> > www.perboysen.com
> > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
> >
> >
>
>

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have you messed with the eh-2880? <br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue=
, Jul 17, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Tim Mungenast <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:tmungenast@verizon.net" target=3D"_blank">tmungenast@verizon.net</a>&=
gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I used to work for Lexicon.<br>
<br>
Their parent company, Harman (also Digi&#39;s parent co) was/is all about t=
urning their backs n whatever cool stuff they used to do, and killing off t=
heir corporate children in a sort of white-collar Munchausen By Proxy.<br>

<br>
I was there when the corporate suits too Lexicon off the building&#39;s ext=
erior and replaced it with harman Specialty Group.<br>
<br>
I was there when the suits threw historically significant prototypes into t=
he dumpster.<br>
<br>
I say this to illustrate what kind of people you are dealing with.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
--- On Tue, 7/17/12, Per Boysen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com">=
perboysen@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; From: Per Boysen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com">perboysen@=
gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Subject: Re: reissue the pds8000 (or a better delay based looper)-FOLL=
OWUP from DIGITECH<br>
&gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Del=
ight@loopers-delight.com</a><br>
&gt; Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 1:05 PM<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">&gt; It&#39;s funny that Digitech s=
natched the<br>
&gt; name &quot;JamMan&quot; from an already<br>
&gt; existing looper by Lexicon and put out a new product with<br>
&gt; the same<br>
&gt; name but not as good as the (orignal) JamMan ;-)=A0 The<br>
&gt; letter Scott<br>
&gt; received in return shows that the Digi folks do not<br>
&gt; understand the<br>
&gt; difference between these two JamMans, so to me it doesn&#39;t<br>
&gt; seem<br>
&gt; probable this company will ever produce a good looper.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Greetings from Sweden<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Per Boysen<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com" target=3D"_blank">www.perboysen.c=
om</a><br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/perboysen" target=3D"_blank">http://=
www.youtube.com/perboysen</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br>

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One way could be to pick up a Behringer FCB1010, set it to hold MIDI
notes and connect a bass synth with a MIDI cable. One bank holds ten
notes, which should work fine for a key. Then you may kick the bank
switch for playing in a different key.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen


On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 11:02 PM, daniel <daniel@ithinkwethink.org> wrote:
> I'm going on tour in Sept with my group 3dCosby (our bandcamp) and we're now
> rocking as a duo. It's sweet and we have great chemistry as a duo
> (considering we've been friends since we're toddlers and playing music
> together for 20 years) BUT we're trying to figure out how to fill out the
> sound (aside from my looping), you know, bring in the low end smiles. Matt
> (my other half) plays drums and is using a Korg sampler, but  it's a bit
> cumbersome for him to be hitting little buttons while also playing crazy
> beats. We've talked with a friend about building some aesthetically
> enjoyable midi-triggers (e.g. into old action figures or pillows).
>
> I was thinking it'd be cool to get a PedalKeyboard and do some simple
> basslines whilst guitaring around.
>
> Here's the rub: I can't afford a super nice one.
>
> Anyone have some experience with these? Recommendations? Anybody have an old
> one they're looking to sell? I'd potentially be interested in trading for
> other gear, too...
>
> Thanks!
> Dan

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nto the P.A. system</span></div><div><span>you still dont have the speaker/=
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Radio shack sells a peizo device, #273-064 I believe. After prying it out o=
f the case and soldering a guitar cable to it, it makes and excellent conta=
ct mic, or trigger for drum inputs.
rig=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Per Boysen <perboysen@=
gmail.com>=0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Tuesday, July=
 17, 2012 2:31 PM=0ASubject: Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else?=0A=0A=
One way could be to pick up a Behringer FCB1010, set it to hold MIDI=0Anote=
s and connect a bass synth with a MIDI cable. One bank holds ten=0Anotes, w=
hich should work fine for a key. Then you may kick the bank=0Aswitch for pl=
aying in a different key.=0A=0AGreetings from Sweden=0A=0APer Boysen=0Awww.=
perboysen.com=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/perboysen=0A=0A=0AOn Tue, Jul 17, 20=
12 at 11:02 PM, daniel <daniel@ithinkwethink.org> wrote:=0A> I'm going on t=
our in Sept with my group 3dCosby (our bandcamp) and we're now=0A> rocking =
as a duo. It's sweet and we have great chemistry as a duo=0A> (considering =
we've been friends since we're toddlers and playing music=0A> together for =
20 years) BUT we're trying to figure out how to fill out the=0A> sound (asi=
de from my looping), you know, bring in the low end smiles. Matt=0A> (my ot=
her half) plays drums and is using a Korg sampler, but=A0 it's a bit=0A> cu=
mbersome for him to be hitting little buttons while also playing crazy=0A> =
beats. We've talked with a friend about building some aesthetically=0A> enj=
oyable midi-triggers (e.g. into old action figures or pillows).=0A>=0A> I w=
as thinking it'd be cool to get a PedalKeyboard and do some simple=0A> bass=
lines whilst guitaring around.=0A>=0A> Here's the rub: I can't afford a sup=
er nice one.=0A>=0A> Anyone have some experience with these? Recommendation=
s? Anybody have an old=0A> one they're looking to sell? I'd potentially be =
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Radio shack sells a peizo device, #273-064 I believe. After prying it out o=
f the case and soldering a guitar cable to it, it makes and excellent conta=
ct mic, or trigger for drum inputs.=0D<br />rig<br>  <div style=3D"font-fam=
ily: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style=
=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"=
> <div  dir=3D"ltr" > <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <hr size=3D"1">  <b>=
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Per Boysen &lt;perboysen=
@gmail.com&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Loo=
pers-Delight@loopers-delight.com <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;"=
>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, July 17, 2012 2:31 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font=
-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else=
?<br> </font> </div> <br>=0AOne way could be to pick up a Behringer FCB1010=
, set it to hold MIDI<BR>notes and connect a bass synth with a MIDI cable. =
One bank holds ten<BR>notes, which should work fine for a key. Then you may=
 kick the bank<BR>switch for playing in a different key.<BR><BR>Greetings f=
rom Sweden<BR><BR>Per Boysen<BR><a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.per=
boysen.com">www.perboysen.com</a><BR>http://www.youtube.com/perboysen<BR><B=
R><BR>On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 11:02 PM, daniel &lt;<a ymailto=3D"mailto:dan=
iel@ithinkwethink.org" href=3D"mailto:daniel@ithinkwethink.org">daniel@ithi=
nkwethink.org</a>&gt; wrote:<BR>&gt; I'm going on tour in Sept with my grou=
p 3dCosby (our bandcamp) and we're now<BR>&gt; rocking as a duo. It's sweet=
 and we have great chemistry as a duo<BR>&gt; (considering we've been frien=
ds since we're toddlers and playing music<BR>&gt; together for 20 years) BU=
T we're trying to figure out how to fill out the<BR>&gt; sound (aside from =
my looping), you know, bring
 in the low end smiles. Matt<BR>&gt; (my other half) plays drums and is usi=
ng a Korg sampler, but&nbsp; it's a bit<BR>&gt; cumbersome for him to be hi=
tting little buttons while also playing crazy<BR>&gt; beats. We've talked w=
ith a friend about building some aesthetically<BR>&gt; enjoyable midi-trigg=
ers (e.g. into old action figures or pillows).<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; I was thinki=
ng it'd be cool to get a PedalKeyboard and do some simple<BR>&gt; basslines=
 whilst guitaring around.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Here's the rub: I can't afford a =
super nice one.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Anyone have some experience with these? Rec=
ommendations? Anybody have an old<BR>&gt; one they're looking to sell? I'd =
potentially be interested in trading for<BR>&gt; other gear, too...<BR>&gt;=
<BR>&gt; Thanks!<BR>&gt; Dan<BR><BR><br><br> </div> </div>  
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I spent a long time trying to decide between the Kemper and the Axe-Fx  
2.

Now that the Axe 2 has "tone matching", which is quite similar to what  
the Kemper does with profiling, I think it's the better buy. I'm not  
knocking the Kemper, since it can do some pretty amazing stuff, but I  
think the Axe 2 is by far the more complete package if you want fx, a  
ton of on-board amp models (that sound superb with the latest firmware  
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To me, it's the hands-down winner.

My .02

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Two more points on the Axe-Fx 2: It allows to be used as two amps.
That's a big deal for us that play instruments with two groups of
strings and dual output busses. I also like the option to digitally
connect a laptop for looping through USB, thus skipping over the need
to bring a separate audio interface (as the Axe-Fx 2 performs these
duties).

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Jeff Shirkey <jcshirke@frontier.com> wrote:
> I spent a long time trying to decide between the Kemper and the Axe-Fx 2.
>
> Now that the Axe 2 has "tone matching", which is quite similar to what the
> Kemper does with profiling, I think it's the better buy. I'm not knocking
> the Kemper, since it can do some pretty amazing stuff, but I think the Axe 2
> is by far the more complete package if you want fx, a ton of on-board amp
> models (that sound superb with the latest firmware release), frequent
> (comprehensive, free) firmware upgrades, tons of ins/outs, *and* now the
> ability to match your own amps/cabs.
>
> To me, it's the hands-down winner.

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I say stick the piezos into stuffed animals and pound them to trigger your =
sounds. Impossible to miss.=20
Use different animal shapes and colors to help keep track of different pitc=
hes and sounds.=20
Imagine the joy of beating the sh*t out of a Barney plush toy!


--- On Wed, 7/18/12, bill bigrig <billbigrig@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: bill bigrig <billbigrig@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else?
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 9:33 AM

Radio shack sells a peizo device, #273-064 I believe. After prying it out o=
f the case and soldering a guitar cable to it, it makes and excellent conta=
ct mic, or trigger for drum inputs.=0A
rig
        From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
 Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 2:31 PM
 Subject: Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else?
  =20
=0AOne way could be to pick up a Behringer FCB1010, set it to hold MIDI
notes and connect a bass synth with a MIDI cable. One bank holds ten
notes, which should work fine for a key. Then you may kick the bank
switch for playing in a different key.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen


On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 11:02 PM, daniel <daniel@ithinkwethink.org> wrote:
> I'm going on tour in Sept with my group 3dCosby (our bandcamp) and we're =
now
> rocking as a duo. It's sweet and we have great chemistry as a duo
> (considering we've been friends since we're toddlers and playing music
> together for 20 years) BUT we're trying to figure out how to fill out the
> sound (aside from my looping), you know, bring=0A in the low end smiles. =
Matt
> (my other half) plays drums and is using a Korg sampler, but=A0 it's a bi=
t
> cumbersome for him to be hitting little buttons while also playing crazy
> beats. We've talked with a friend about building some aesthetically
> enjoyable midi-triggers (e.g. into old action figures or pillows).
>
> I was thinking it'd be cool to get a PedalKeyboard and do some simple
> basslines whilst guitaring around.
>
> Here's the rub: I can't afford a super nice one.
>
> Anyone have some experience with these? Recommendations? Anybody have an =
old
> one they're looking to sell? I'd potentially be interested in trading for
> other gear, too...
>
> Thanks!
> Dan



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if;"></span><br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 7/18/12, bill bigrig <i>&lt;billbigrig@y=
ahoo.com&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid =
rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: bill bigr=
ig &lt;billbigrig@yahoo.com&gt;<br>Subject: Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8,=
 or else?<br>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br>Date: Wednesday, Ju=
ly 18, 2012, 9:33 AM<br><br><div id=3D"yiv1376942184">Radio shack sells a p=
eizo device, #273-064 I believe. After prying it out of the case and solder=
ing a
 guitar cable to it, it makes and excellent contact mic, or trigger for dru=
m inputs.=0A<br>rig<br>  <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman,new yor=
k,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family: times new roma=
n,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font face=3D"=
Arial" size=3D"2"> <hr size=3D"1">  <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">F=
rom:</span></b> Per Boysen &lt;perboysen@gmail.com&gt;<br> <b><span style=
=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =
<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, July 1=
7, 2012 2:31 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></=
b> Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else?<br> </font> </div> <br>=0AOne w=
ay could be to pick up a Behringer FCB1010, set it to hold MIDI<br>notes an=
d connect a bass synth with a MIDI cable. One bank holds ten<br>notes, whic=
h should work fine for a key. Then you may kick the bank<br>switch for play=
ing in a different key.<br><br>Greetings from Sweden<br><br>Per Boysen<br><=
a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com">www.=
perboysen.com</a><br>http://www.youtube.com/perboysen<br><br><br>On Tue, Ju=
l 17, 2012 at 11:02 PM, daniel &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:da=
niel@ithinkwethink.org" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"/mc/compose?to=3Ddaniel@i=
thinkwethink.org">daniel@ithinkwethink.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; I'm going=
 on tour in Sept with my group 3dCosby (our bandcamp) and we're now<br>&gt;=
 rocking as a duo. It's sweet and we have great chemistry as a duo<br>&gt; =
(considering we've been friends since we're toddlers and playing music<br>&=
gt; together for 20 years) BUT we're trying to figure out how to fill out
 the<br>&gt; sound (aside from my looping), you know, bring=0A in the low e=
nd smiles. Matt<br>&gt; (my other half) plays drums and is using a Korg sam=
pler, but&nbsp; it's a bit<br>&gt; cumbersome for him to be hitting little =
buttons while also playing crazy<br>&gt; beats. We've talked with a friend =
about building some aesthetically<br>&gt; enjoyable midi-triggers (e.g. int=
o old action figures or pillows).<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I was thinking it'd be co=
ol to get a PedalKeyboard and do some simple<br>&gt; basslines whilst guita=
ring around.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Here's the rub: I can't afford a super nice on=
e.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Anyone have some experience with these? Recommendations?=
 Anybody have an old<br>&gt; one they're looking to sell? I'd potentially b=
e interested in trading for<br>&gt; other gear, too...<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Than=
ks!<br>&gt; Dan<br><br><br><br> </div> </div>  =0A</div></blockquote></td><=
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As an AxeFx 2 user, the AxeFx gets a huge vote from me. It not only =
works for electrics, but also for acoustics and basses--not just works, =
but jawdroppingly, spectacularly well!=20

I was skeptical at first, but when I got my AF2, I quickly sold off my =
Two Rocks and collection of tweed Fenders and late 60's Marshalls. It's =
really like having a Pendulum, all the best electric guitar amps you =
ever wanted plus a huge effects rack full of your favorite TCs and =
Eventides etc. with great connectivity to PA, powered speakers, DAWs. =
All I have in my rack right now is the AF2, a couple EDPs and a mixer.

In all fairness, I haven't tried the Kemper, but with the AF2 I have so =
many great options at my fingertips right now that I am not even =
tempted.

P


On Jul 18, 2012, at 11:45 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

> Two more points on the Axe-Fx 2: It allows to be used as two amps.
> That's a big deal for us that play instruments with two groups of
> strings and dual output busses. I also like the option to digitally
> connect a laptop for looping through USB, thus skipping over the need
> to bring a separate audio interface (as the Axe-Fx 2 performs these
> duties).
>=20
> Greetings from Sweden
>=20
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.com
> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>=20
>=20
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Jeff Shirkey <jcshirke@frontier.com> =
wrote:
>> I spent a long time trying to decide between the Kemper and the =
Axe-Fx 2.
>>=20
>> Now that the Axe 2 has "tone matching", which is quite similar to =
what the
>> Kemper does with profiling, I think it's the better buy. I'm not =
knocking
>> the Kemper, since it can do some pretty amazing stuff, but I think =
the Axe 2
>> is by far the more complete package if you want fx, a ton of on-board =
amp
>> models (that sound superb with the latest firmware release), frequent
>> (comprehensive, free) firmware upgrades, tons of ins/outs, *and* now =
the
>> ability to match your own amps/cabs.
>>=20
>> To me, it's the hands-down winner.
>=20

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yeah, i totally want to do that, too (stuffed animal triggers)


On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Tim Mungenast <tmungenast@verizon.net>wrote:

>
> I say stick the piezos into stuffed animals and pound them to trigger your
> sounds. Impossible to miss.
> Use different animal shapes and colors to help keep track of different
> pitches and sounds.
> Imagine the joy of beating the sh*t out of a Barney plush toy!
>
>
> --- On *Wed, 7/18/12, bill bigrig <billbigrig@yahoo.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: bill bigrig <billbigrig@yahoo.com>
>
> Subject: Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else?
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 9:33 AM
>
>
> Radio shack sells a peizo device, #273-064 I believe. After prying it out
> of the case and soldering a guitar cable to it, it makes and excellent
> contact mic, or trigger for drum inputs.
> rig
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
> *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 17, 2012 2:31 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else?
>
> One way could be to pick up a Behringer FCB1010, set it to hold MIDI
> notes and connect a bass synth with a MIDI cable. One bank holds ten
> notes, which should work fine for a key. Then you may kick the bank
> switch for playing in a different key.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.com
> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 11:02 PM, daniel <daniel@ithinkwethink.org<http://mc/compose?to=daniel@ithinkwethink.org>>
> wrote:
> > I'm going on tour in Sept with my group 3dCosby (our bandcamp) and we're
> now
> > rocking as a duo. It's sweet and we have great chemistry as a duo
> > (considering we've been friends since we're toddlers and playing music
> > together for 20 years) BUT we're trying to figure out how to fill out the
> > sound (aside from my looping), you know, bring in the low end smiles.
> Matt
> > (my other half) plays drums and is using a Korg sampler, but  it's a bit
> > cumbersome for him to be hitting little buttons while also playing crazy
> > beats. We've talked with a friend about building some aesthetically
> > enjoyable midi-triggers (e.g. into old action figures or pillows).
> >
> > I was thinking it'd be cool to get a PedalKeyboard and do some simple
> > basslines whilst guitaring around.
> >
> > Here's the rub: I can't afford a super nice one.
> >
> > Anyone have some experience with these? Recommendations? Anybody have an
> old
> > one they're looking to sell? I'd potentially be interested in trading for
> > other gear, too...
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Dan
>
>
>
>

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yeah, i totally want to do that, too (stuffed animal triggers)<br><br><br><=
div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Tim Mungenast <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tmungenast@verizon.net" target=3D"_b=
lank">tmungenast@verizon.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><table border=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" cellsp=
acing=3D"0"><tbody><tr><td style=3D"font:inherit" valign=3D"top"><br>I say =
stick the piezos into stuffed animals and pound them to trigger your sounds=
. Impossible to miss. <br>
Use different animal shapes and colors to help keep track of different pitc=
hes and sounds. <br>Imagine the joy of beating the sh*t out of a Barney plu=
sh toy!<br><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;font-family:verdana,helvetica,sa=
ns-serif"></span><br>
<br>--- On <b>Wed, 7/18/12, bill bigrig <i>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:billbigrig=
@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">billbigrig@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</i></b> wrote:<b=
r><blockquote style=3D"border-left:2px solid rgb(16,16,255);margin-left:5px=
;padding-left:5px">
<br>From: bill bigrig &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:billbigrig@yahoo.com" target=3D=
"_blank">billbigrig@yahoo.com</a>&gt;<div class=3D"im"><br>Subject: Re: Rol=
and PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else?<br></div>To: <a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-De=
light@loopers-delight.com" target=3D"_blank">Loopers-Delight@loopers-deligh=
t.com</a><br>
Date: Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 9:33 AM<div><div class=3D"h5"><br><br><div>=
Radio shack sells a peizo device, #273-064 I believe. After prying it out o=
f the case and soldering a
 guitar cable to it, it makes and excellent contact mic, or trigger for dru=
m inputs.
<br>rig<br>  <div style=3D"font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif=
;font-size:12pt"> <div style=3D"font-family:times new roman,new york,times,=
serif;font-size:12pt"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font face=3D"Arial"> <hr size=3D"=
1">  <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Per Boysen &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">perboysen@gmail.com<=
/a>&gt;<br>
 <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href=3D"mailto:Loope=
rs-Delight@loopers-delight.com" target=3D"_blank">Loopers-Delight@loopers-d=
elight.com</a> <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tu=
esday, July 17, 2012 2:31 PM<br>
 <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: Roland PK-5, K=
etron 9PEMK8, or else?<br> </font> </div> <br>
One way could be to pick up a Behringer FCB1010, set it to hold MIDI<br>not=
es and connect a bass synth with a MIDI cable. One bank holds ten<br>notes,=
 which should work fine for a key. Then you may kick the bank<br>switch for=
 playing in a different key.<br>
<br>Greetings from Sweden<br><br>Per Boysen<br><a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"=
http://www.perboysen.com" target=3D"_blank">www.perboysen.com</a><br><a hre=
f=3D"http://www.youtube.com/perboysen" target=3D"_blank">http://www.youtube=
.com/perboysen</a><br>
<br><br>On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 11:02 PM, daniel &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" hr=
ef=3D"http://mc/compose?to=3Ddaniel@ithinkwethink.org" target=3D"_blank">da=
niel@ithinkwethink.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; I&#39;m going on tour in Sept=
 with my group 3dCosby (our bandcamp) and we&#39;re now<br>
&gt; rocking as a duo. It&#39;s sweet and we have great chemistry as a duo<=
br>&gt; (considering we&#39;ve been friends since we&#39;re toddlers and pl=
aying music<br>&gt; together for 20 years) BUT we&#39;re trying to figure o=
ut how to fill out
 the<br>&gt; sound (aside from my looping), you know, bring
 in the low end smiles. Matt<br>&gt; (my other half) plays drums and is usi=
ng a Korg sampler, but=A0 it&#39;s a bit<br>&gt; cumbersome for him to be h=
itting little buttons while also playing crazy<br>&gt; beats. We&#39;ve tal=
ked with a friend about building some aesthetically<br>
&gt; enjoyable midi-triggers (e.g. into old action figures or pillows).<br>=
&gt;<br>&gt; I was thinking it&#39;d be cool to get a PedalKeyboard and do =
some simple<br>&gt; basslines whilst guitaring around.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Here=
&#39;s the rub: I can&#39;t afford a super nice one.<br>
&gt;<br>&gt; Anyone have some experience with these? Recommendations? Anybo=
dy have an old<br>&gt; one they&#39;re looking to sell? I&#39;d potentially=
 be interested in trading for<br>&gt; other gear, too...<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Th=
anks!<br>
&gt; Dan<br><br><br><br> </div> </div> =20
</div></div></div></blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table></blockquote></div=
><br>

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>
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Tim Mungenast <tmungenast@verizon.net>wrote:
>
>>
>> I say stick the piezos into stuffed animals and pound them to trigger
>> your sounds.
>
>

Hippo for kick. Walrus for sub.

Per :-)

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il_quote">On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Tim Mungenast <span dir=3D"ltr"=
>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tmungenast@verizon.net" target=3D"_blank">tmungenast=
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Right on, Daniel! With a stuffed animal, you can beat the "Pooh" out of it,=
 or create a Tigger trigger.


--- On Wed, 7/18/12, daniel <daniel@ithinkwethink.org> wrote:

From: daniel <daniel@ithinkwethink.org>
Subject: Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else?
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 3:39 PM

yeah, i totally want to do that, too (stuffed animal triggers)


On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Tim Mungenast <tmungenast@verizon.net> wr=
ote:
=0A
I say stick the piezos into stuffed animals and pound them to trigger your =
sounds. Impossible to miss.=20
=0AUse different animal shapes and colors to help keep track of different p=
itches and sounds.=20
Imagine the joy of beating the sh*t out of a Barney plush toy!

=0A
--- On Wed, 7/18/12, bill bigrig <billbigrig@yahoo.com> wrote:
=0A
From: bill bigrig <billbigrig@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else?
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
=0ADate: Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 9:33 AM

Radio shack sells a peizo device, #273-064 I believe. After prying it out o=
f the case and soldering a=0A guitar cable to it, it makes and excellent co=
ntact mic, or trigger for drum inputs.=0A
rig
        From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
=0A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
 Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 2:31 PM
=0A Subject: Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else?
  =20
=0AOne way could be to pick up a Behringer FCB1010, set it to hold MIDI
notes and connect a bass synth with a MIDI cable. One bank holds ten
notes, which should work fine for a key. Then you may kick the bank
switch for playing in a different key.
=0A
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
=0A

On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 11:02 PM, daniel <daniel@ithinkwethink.org> wrote:
> I'm going on tour in Sept with my group 3dCosby (our bandcamp) and we're =
now
=0A> rocking as a duo. It's sweet and we have great chemistry as a duo
> (considering we've been friends since we're toddlers and playing music
> together for 20 years) BUT we're trying to figure out how to fill out=0A =
the
> sound (aside from my looping), you know, bring=0A in the low end smiles. =
Matt
> (my other half) plays drums and is using a Korg sampler, but=A0 it's a bi=
t
> cumbersome for him to be hitting little buttons while also playing crazy
> beats. We've talked with a friend about building some aesthetically
=0A> enjoyable midi-triggers (e.g. into old action figures or pillows).
>
> I was thinking it'd be cool to get a PedalKeyboard and do some simple
> basslines whilst guitaring around.
>
> Here's the rub: I can't afford a super nice one.
=0A>
> Anyone have some experience with these? Recommendations? Anybody have an =
old
> one they're looking to sell? I'd potentially be interested in trading for
> other gear, too...
>
> Thanks!
=0A> Dan



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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><br>Right on, Daniel! With a stuffed animal, =
you can beat the "Pooh" out of it, or create a Tigger trigger.<br><br><span=
 style=3D"font-weight: bold; font-family: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;"></=
span><br>--- On <b>Wed, 7/18/12, daniel <i>&lt;daniel@ithinkwethink.org&gt;=
</i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, =
255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: daniel &lt;daniel@ith=
inkwethink.org&gt;<br>Subject: Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else?<br>=
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br>Date: Wednesday, July 18, 2012, =
3:39 PM<br><br><div id=3D"yiv544385599">yeah, i totally want to do that, to=
o (stuffed animal triggers)<br><br><br><div class=3D"yiv544385599gmail_quot=
e">On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Tim Mungenast <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a=
 rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:tmungenast@verizon.net" target=3D"_blan=
k"
 href=3D"/mc/compose?to=3Dtmungenast@verizon.net">tmungenast@verizon.net</a=
>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>=0A<blockquote class=3D"yiv544385599gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);=
 padding-left: 1ex;"><table border=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0=
"><tbody><tr><td style=3D"font: inherit;" valign=3D"top"><br>I say stick th=
e piezos into stuffed animals and pound them to trigger your sounds. Imposs=
ible to miss. <br>=0AUse different animal shapes and colors to help keep tr=
ack of different pitches and sounds. <br>Imagine the joy of beating the sh*=
t out of a Barney plush toy!<br><span style=3D"font-weight: bold; font-fami=
ly: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;"></span><br>=0A<br>--- On <b>Wed, 7/18/12=
, bill bigrig <i>&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:billbigrig@yahoo=
.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"/mc/compose?to=3Dbillbigrig@yahoo.com">bill=
bigrig@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style=3D"border-left=
: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">=0A<br>=
From: bill bigrig &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:billbigrig@yaho=
o.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"/mc/compose?to=3Dbillbigrig@yahoo.com">bil=
lbigrig@yahoo.com</a>&gt;<div class=3D"yiv544385599im"><br>Subject: Re: Rol=
and PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else?<br></div>To: <a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=
=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"/=
mc/compose?to=3DLoopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@looper=
s-delight.com</a><br>=0ADate: Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 9:33 AM<div><div cl=
ass=3D"yiv544385599h5"><br><br><div>Radio shack sells a peizo device, #273-=
064 I believe. After prying it out of the case and soldering a=0A guitar ca=
ble to it, it makes and excellent contact mic, or trigger for drum inputs.=
=0A<br>rig<br>  <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman,new york,times,s=
erif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman,new yor=
k,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font face=3D"Arial"> <=
hr size=3D"1">  <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Per =
Boysen &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com" targe=
t=3D"_blank" href=3D"/mc/compose?to=3Dperboysen@gmail.com">perboysen@gmail.=
com</a>&gt;<br>=0A <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <a =
rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" tar=
get=3D"_blank" href=3D"/mc/compose?to=3DLoopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=
">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a> <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weigh=
t: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, July 17, 2012 2:31 PM<br>=0A <b><span s=
tyle=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PE=
MK8, or else?<br> </font> </div> <br>=0AOne way could be to pick up a Behri=
nger FCB1010, set it to hold MIDI<br>notes and connect a bass synth with a =
MIDI cable. One bank holds ten<br>notes, which should work fine for a key. =
Then you may kick the bank<br>switch for playing in a different key.<br>=0A=
<br>Greetings from Sweden<br><br>Per Boysen<br><a rel=3D"nofollow" target=
=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com">www.perboysen.com</a><br><a r=
el=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/perboysen"=
>http://www.youtube.com/perboysen</a><br>=0A<br><br>On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at=
 11:02 PM, daniel &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://=
mc/compose?to=3Ddaniel@ithinkwethink.org">daniel@ithinkwethink.org</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br>&gt; I'm going on tour in Sept with my group 3dCosby (our bandcam=
p) and we're now<br>=0A&gt; rocking as a duo. It's sweet and we have great =
chemistry as a duo<br>&gt; (considering we've been friends since we're todd=
lers and playing music<br>&gt; together for 20 years) BUT we're trying to f=
igure out how to fill out=0A the<br>&gt; sound (aside from my looping), you=
 know, bring=0A in the low end smiles. Matt<br>&gt; (my other half) plays d=
rums and is using a Korg sampler, but&nbsp; it's a bit<br>&gt; cumbersome f=
or him to be hitting little buttons while also playing crazy<br>&gt; beats.=
 We've talked with a friend about building some aesthetically<br>=0A&gt; en=
joyable midi-triggers (e.g. into old action figures or pillows).<br>&gt;<br=
>&gt; I was thinking it'd be cool to get a PedalKeyboard and do some simple=
<br>&gt; basslines whilst guitaring around.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Here's the rub:=
 I can't afford a super nice one.<br>=0A&gt;<br>&gt; Anyone have some exper=
ience with these? Recommendations? Anybody have an old<br>&gt; one they're =
looking to sell? I'd potentially be interested in trading for<br>&gt; other=
 gear, too...<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Thanks!<br>=0A&gt; Dan<br><br><br><br> </div>=
 </div>  =0A</div></div></div></blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table></bloc=
kquote></div><br>=0A</div></blockquote></td></tr></table>
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Yes, Per, especially if you are doing a cover of "I Am The Walrus."


--- On Wed, 7/18/12, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else?
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 3:52 PM

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Tim Mungenast <tmungenast@verizon.net> wr=
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I say stick the piezos into stuffed animals and pound them to trigger your =
sounds.=0A

Hippo for kick. Walrus for sub.=A0
Per :-)=0A
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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;">Yes, Per, especially if you are doing a cover=
 of "I Am The Walrus."<br><br><span style=3D"font-weight: bold; font-family=
: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;"></span><br>--- On <b>Wed, 7/18/12, Per Boy=
sen <i>&lt;perboysen@gmail.com&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style=3D"b=
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;"><br>From: Per Boysen &lt;perboysen@gmail.com&gt;<br>Subject: Re: Roland =
PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else?<br>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br=
>Date: Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 3:52 PM<br><br><div id=3D"yiv1384145250"><=
div class=3D"yiv1384145250gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"yiv1384145250gm=
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On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Tim Mungenast <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a re=
l=3D"nofollow"
 ymailto=3D"mailto:tmungenast@verizon.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"/mc/co=
mpose?to=3Dtmungenast@verizon.net">tmungenast@verizon.net</a>&gt;</span> wr=
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n: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-le=
ft: 1ex;"><table border=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0"><tbody><t=
r><td style=3D"font: inherit;" valign=3D"top"><br>I say stick the piezos in=
to stuffed animals and pound them to trigger your sounds.</td>=0A</tr></tbo=
dy></table></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><br><div><br></div><div>Hi=
ppo for kick. Walrus for sub.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Per :-)</div>=
=0A</div></blockquote></td></tr></table>
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Don't forget, these peizo units work wonderfully on violins,(fiddles), mand=
olins, violin-ukes, all sorts of metal clanky devices, and on and on. They =
do not work real well on acoustic guitars because of the difficulty of tapi=
ng it on the instrument where it does not sound, "boxy". At $2.79 each, the=
y are a good value. Be careful not to disturb the solder connection on the =
disk itself. Cut off and discard the blue wire. You will see the obvious ce=
nter connection, and the outer, "shield" connection. I've been using them f=
or 30 years now, and despite some claims that a preamp is essential, (I thi=
nk it comes from a prominent peizo based pickup manufacturer), if you have =
an input gain control such as that on a mixing board, you will find more th=
an enough output to do the job.
Rig=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Tim Mungenast <tmungen=
ast@verizon.net>=0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Wednesd=
ay, July 18, 2012 12:58 PM=0ASubject: Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or el=
se?=0A=0A=0AYes, Per, especially if you are doing a cover of "I Am The Walr=
us."=0A=0A=0A--- On Wed, 7/18/12, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:=
=0A=0A=0A>From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>=0A>Subject: Re: Roland PK-=
5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else?=0A>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A>Da=
te: Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 3:52 PM=0A>=0A>=0A>On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12=
:06 PM, Tim Mungenast <tmungenast@verizon.net> wrote:=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>>I say =
stick the piezos into stuffed animals and pound them to trigger your sounds=
. =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Hippo for kick. Walrus for sub.=A0=0A>=0A>=0A>Per :-) 
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Don&#39;t forget, these peizo units work wonderfully on violins,(fiddles), =
mandolins, violin-ukes, all sorts of metal clanky devices, and on and on. T=
hey do not work real well on acoustic guitars because of the difficulty of =
taping it on the instrument where it does not sound, &quot;boxy&quot;. At $=
2.79 each, they are a good value. Be careful not to disturb the solder conn=
ection on the disk itself. Cut off and discard the blue wire. You will see =
the obvious center connection, and the outer, &quot;shield&quot; connection=
. I&#39;ve been using them for 30 years now, and despite some claims that a=
 preamp is essential, (I think it comes from a prominent peizo based pickup=
 manufacturer), if you have an input gain control such as that on a mixing =
board, you will find more than enough output to do the job.=0D<br />Rig<br>=
  <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-=
size: 12pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times,
 serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div  dir=3D"ltr" > <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Ari=
al"> <hr size=3D"1">  <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b>=
 Tim Mungenast &lt;tmungenast@verizon.net&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"font-we=
ight: bold;">To:</span></b> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com <br> <b><sp=
an style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 18, 2012 1=
2:58 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: R=
oland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else?<br> </font> </div> <br>=0A<div id=3Dyiv=
501490811><table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0"><tr><td v=
align=3D"top" style=3D"font:inherit;">Yes, Per, especially if you are doing=
 a cover of &quot;I Am The Walrus.&quot;<br><br><span style=3D"font-weight:=
bold;font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;"></span><br>--- On <b>Wed,=
 7/18/12, Per Boysen <i>&lt;perboysen@gmail.com&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br><bloc=
kquote style=3D"border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;padd=
ing-left:5px;"><br>From: Per Boysen &lt;perboysen@gmail.com&gt;<br>Subject:=
 Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else?<br>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-de=
light.com<br>Date: Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 3:52 PM<br><br><div id=3D"yiv5=
01490811"><div class=3D"yiv501490811gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"yiv50=
1490811gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid=
 rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;"><div class=3D"yiv501490811gmail_quot=
e">On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Tim Mungenast <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a
 rel=3D"nofollow"=0A>tmungenast@verizon.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>=0A=0A=
<blockquote class=3D"yiv501490811gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0=
.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;"><table bor=
der=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0"><tbody><tr><td style=3D"font:=
inherit;" valign=3D"top"><br>I say stick the piezos into stuffed animals an=
d pound them to trigger your sounds.</td>=0A</tr></tbody></table></blockquo=
te></div></blockquote></div><br><div><br></div><div>Hippo for kick. Walrus =
for sub.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Per :-)</div>=0A</div></blockquote>=
</td></tr></table></div><br><br> </div> </div>  
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I have a Roland GS-6 with the FC-100 foot controller. If you can locate the=
 Roland RMC-1, it will enable the Roland FC-100 to play midi instruents
Rig=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: daniel <daniel@ithinkw=
ethink.org>=0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Wednesday, J=
uly 18, 2012 12:39 PM=0ASubject: Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else?=
=0A=0A=0Ayeah, i totally want to do that, too (stuffed animal triggers)=0A=
=0A=0A=0AOn Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Tim Mungenast <tmungenast@verizo=
n.net> wrote:=0A=0A=0A>I say stick the piezos into stuffed animals and poun=
d them to trigger your sounds. Impossible to miss. =0A>Use different animal=
 shapes and colors to help keep track of different pitches and sounds. =0A>=
Imagine the joy of beating the sh*t out of a Barney plush toy!=0A>=0A>=0A>-=
-- On Wed, 7/18/12, bill bigrig <billbigrig@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A>=0A>=0A>>F=
rom: bill bigrig <billbigrig@yahoo.com> =0A>>=0A>>Subject: Re: Roland PK-5,=
 Ketron 9PEMK8, or else?=0A>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A>>Da=
te: Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 9:33 AM =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Radio shack sells=
 a peizo device, #273-064 I believe. After prying it out of the case and so=
ldering a guitar cable to it, it makes and excellent contact mic, or trigge=
r for drum inputs. =0A>>rig=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>________________________________=
=0A>>From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>=0A>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers=
-delight.com =0A>>Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 2:31 PM=0A>>Subject: Re: Rol=
and PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else?=0A>>=0A>>One way could be to pick up a Be=
hringer FCB1010, set it to hold MIDI=0A>>notes and connect a bass synth wit=
h a MIDI cable. One bank holds ten=0A>>notes, which should work fine for a =
key. Then you may kick the bank=0A>>switch for playing in a different key.=
=0A>>=0A>>Greetings from Sweden=0A>>=0A>>Per Boysen=0A>>www.perboysen.com=
=0A>>http://www.youtube.com/perboysen=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at=
 11:02 PM, daniel <daniel@ithinkwethink.org> wrote:=0A>>> I'm going on tour=
 in Sept with my group 3dCosby (our bandcamp) and we're now=0A>>> rocking a=
s a duo. It's sweet and we have great chemistry as a duo=0A>>> (considering=
 we've been friends since we're toddlers and playing music=0A>>> together f=
or 20 years) BUT we're trying to figure out how to fill out the=0A>>> sound=
 (aside from my looping), you know, bring in the low end smiles. Matt=0A>>>=
 (my other half) plays drums and is using a Korg sampler, but=A0 it's a bit=
=0A>>> cumbersome for him to be hitting little buttons while also playing c=
razy=0A>>> beats. We've talked with a friend about building some aesthetica=
lly=0A>>> enjoyable midi-triggers (e.g. into old action figures or pillows)=
.=0A>>>=0A>>> I was thinking it'd be cool to get a PedalKeyboard and do som=
e simple=0A>>> basslines whilst guitaring around.=0A>>>=0A>>> Here's the ru=
b: I can't afford a super nice one.=0A>>>=0A>>> Anyone have some experience=
 with these? Recommendations? Anybody have an old=0A>>> one they're looking=
 to sell? I'd potentially be interested in trading for=0A>>> other gear, to=
o...=0A>>>=0A>>> Thanks!=0A>>> Dan=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> 
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I have a Roland GS-6 with the FC-100 foot controller. If you can locate the=
 Roland RMC-1, it will enable the Roland FC-100 to play midi instruents=0D<=
br />Rig<br>  <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, =
serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new y=
ork, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div  dir=3D"ltr" > <font size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial"> <hr size=3D"1">  <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:=
</span></b> daniel &lt;daniel@ithinkwethink.org&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"f=
ont-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com <br> =
<b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 18, =
2012 12:39 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>=
 Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else?<br> </font> </div> <br>=0A<div id=
=3Dyiv1791864109>yeah, i totally want to do that, too (stuffed animal trigg=
ers)<br><br><br><div class=3D"yiv1791864109gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 18, 201=
2 at 12:06 PM, Tim Mungenast <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymai=
lto=3D"mailto:tmungenast@verizon.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:tmun=
genast@verizon.net">tmungenast@verizon.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>=0A<blo=
ckquote class=3D"yiv1791864109gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><table border=3D"0" cellpadding=3D=
"0" cellspacing=3D"0"><tbody><tr><td style=3D"font:inherit;" valign=3D"top"=
><br>I say stick the piezos into stuffed animals and pound them to trigger =
your sounds. Impossible to miss. <br>=0AUse different animal shapes and col=
ors to help keep track of different pitches and sounds. <br>Imagine the joy=
 of beating the sh*t out of a Barney plush toy!<br><span style=3D"font-weig=
ht:bold;font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;"></span><br>=0A<br>--- =
On <b>Wed, 7/18/12, bill bigrig <i>&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailt=
o:billbigrig@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:billbigrig@yahoo.c=
om">billbigrig@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style=3D"bor=
der-left:2px solid rgb(16,16,255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;">=0A<br=
>From: bill bigrig &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:billbigrig@yah=
oo.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:billbigrig@yahoo.com">billbigrig@y=
ahoo.com</a>&gt;<div class=3D"yiv1791864109im"><br>Subject: Re: Roland PK-5=
, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else?<br></div>To: <a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailt=
o:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:Loo=
pers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a><b=
r>=0ADate: Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 9:33 AM<div><div class=3D"yiv179186410=
9h5"><br><br><div>Radio shack sells a peizo device, #273-064 I believe. Aft=
er prying it out of the case and soldering a=0A guitar cable to it, it make=
s and excellent contact mic, or trigger for drum inputs.=0A<br>rig<br>  <di=
v style=3D"font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12=
pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;fon=
t-size:12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font face=3D"Arial"> <hr size=3D"1">  <b>=
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Per Boysen &lt;<a rel=3D=
"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D=
"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com">perboysen@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>=0A <b><span st=
yle=3D"font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mai=
lto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:L=
oopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a>=
 <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, July 1=
7, 2012 2:31 PM<br>=0A <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span>=
</b> Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else?<br> </font> </div> <br>=0AOne=
 way could be to pick up a Behringer FCB1010, set it to hold MIDI<br>notes =
and connect a bass synth with a MIDI cable. One bank holds ten<br>notes, wh=
ich should work fine for a key. Then you may kick the bank<br>switch for pl=
aying in a different key.<br>=0A<br>Greetings from Sweden<br><br>Per Boysen=
<br><a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com"=
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lank" href=3D"http://mc/compose?to=3Ddaniel@ithinkwethink.org">daniel@ithin=
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roup 3dCosby (our bandcamp) and we&#39;re now<br>=0A&gt; rocking as a duo. =
It&#39;s sweet and we have great chemistry as a duo<br>&gt; (considering we=
&#39;ve been friends since we&#39;re toddlers and playing music<br>&gt; tog=
ether for 20 years) BUT we&#39;re trying to figure out how to fill out=0A t=
he<br>&gt; sound (aside from my looping), you know, bring=0A in the low end=
 smiles. Matt<br>&gt; (my other half) plays drums and is using a Korg sampl=
er, but=A0 it&#39;s a bit<br>&gt; cumbersome for him to be hitting little b=
uttons while also playing crazy<br>&gt; beats. We&#39;ve talked with a frie=
nd about building some aesthetically<br>=0A&gt; enjoyable midi-triggers (e.=
g. into old action figures or pillows).<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I was thinking it&#=
39;d be cool to get a PedalKeyboard and do some simple<br>&gt; basslines wh=
ilst guitaring around.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Here&#39;s the rub: I can&#39;t affo=
rd a super nice one.<br>=0A&gt;<br>&gt; Anyone have some experience with th=
ese? Recommendations? Anybody have an old<br>&gt; one they&#39;re looking t=
o sell? I&#39;d potentially be interested in trading for<br>&gt; other gear=
, too...<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Thanks!<br>=0A&gt; Dan<br><br><br><br> </div> </di=
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> Hippo for kick. Walrus for sub.
>
>
Words to live by.

Kevin

-- 
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- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

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As you mght know the Elektron Octatrack is now a "proper" looper.. with the=
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http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/91point8bpm

(Guitar is a brand new Soloway that has a Supro lapsteel pickup... ) 		 	  =
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As you mght know the Elektron Octatrack is now a "proper" looper.. with the=
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chine and two tracks that are set to replay stuff from one of the loop trac=
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Cool sounds there!

Can the Octatrack send and receive digital audio through its USB port?
(Contemplating the possibility to put it in a USB send/return loop to
a Axe-FX2...)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:10 AM, Anders Bergdahl
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> As you mght know the Elektron Octatrack is now a "proper" looper.. with the
> addition of the "Pickup machine".. here I use two track with the Pickup
> machine and two tracks that are set to replay stuff from one of the loop
> tracks on "flex" machine, that means that they are triggered with the
> sequencer and that it is possible to to more extrem playback effects.. (such
> as having a melody on the sequencer).
> A lot of effects on the two pickup machies as well, phaser, distortion and
> filters.. FUN little box this Octatrack...
>
> http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/91point8bpm
>
> (Guitar is a brand new Soloway that has a Supro lapsteel pickup... )

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the preamp is not for the volume but the linearity of the sound
while the magnetic pickup are coils that have a high impedance in high =
frequencies
the piezo is a capacitor and such has a high impedance in low =
frequencies
so if you connect a magnetic pickup directly to a mic input (low =
impedance) it sounds dull because the high frequencies get lost and a =
piezo sound thin because the bass is lost

if you connect a piezo to a high impedance (guitar) input, its ok. =
depends on the size of the piezo as well, smaller ones rather need =
higher impedance=20

On 18 Jul 2012, at 5:37 PM, bill bigrig wrote:

> Don't forget, these peizo units work wonderfully on violins,(fiddles), =
mandolins, violin-ukes, all sorts of metal clanky devices, and on and =
on. They do not work real well on acoustic guitars because of the =
difficulty of taping it on the instrument where it does not sound, =
"boxy". At $2.79 each, they are a good value. Be careful not to disturb =
the solder connection on the disk itself. Cut off and discard the blue =
wire. You will see the obvious center connection, and the outer, =
"shield" connection. I've been using them for 30 years now, and despite =
some claims that a preamp is essential, (I think it comes from a =
prominent peizo based pickup manufacturer), if you have an input gain =
control such as that on a mixing board, you will find more than enough =
output to do the job.=20
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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
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preamp is not for the volume but the linearity of the sound<div>while =
the magnetic pickup are coils that have a high impedance in high =
frequencies</div><div>the piezo is a capacitor and such has a high =
impedance in low frequencies</div><div>so if you connect a magnetic =
pickup directly to a mic input (low impedance) it sounds dull because =
the high frequencies get lost and&nbsp;a piezo sound thin because the =
bass is lost</div><div><br></div><div>if you connect a piezo to a high =
impedance (guitar) input, its ok. depends on the size of the piezo as =
well, smaller ones rather need higher =
impedance&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On 18 Jul 2012, at =
5:37 PM, bill bigrig wrote:</div><br =
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forget, these peizo units work wonderfully on violins,(fiddles), =
mandolins, violin-ukes, all sorts of metal clanky devices, and on and =
on. They do not work real well on acoustic guitars because of the =
difficulty of taping it on the instrument where it does not sound, =
"boxy". At $2.79 each, they are a good value. Be careful not to disturb =
the solder connection on the disk itself. Cut off and discard the blue =
wire. You will see the obvious center connection, and the outer, =
"shield" connection. I've been using them for 30 years now, and despite =
some claims that a preamp is essential, (I think it comes from a =
prominent peizo based pickup manufacturer), if you have an input gain =
control such as that on a mixing board, you will find more than enough =
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Nice!

I've been keeping an eye on the Octatrack. Nice to see it's a fully
fledged looper now.

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Cool sounds there!
>
> Can the Octatrack send and receive digital audio through its USB port?
> (Contemplating the possibility to put it in a USB send/return loop to
> a Axe-FX2...)
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.com
> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:10 AM, Anders Bergdahl
> <anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> As you mght know the Elektron Octatrack is now a "proper" looper.. with the
>> addition of the "Pickup machine".. here I use two track with the Pickup
>> machine and two tracks that are set to replay stuff from one of the loop
>> tracks on "flex" machine, that means that they are triggered with the
>> sequencer and that it is possible to to more extrem playback effects.. (such
>> as having a melody on the sequencer).
>> A lot of effects on the two pickup machies as well, phaser, distortion and
>> filters.. FUN little box this Octatrack...
>>
>> http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/91point8bpm
>>
>> (Guitar is a brand new Soloway that has a Supro lapsteel pickup... )
>



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simart@gmail.com

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>  so is it time now really to get rid of your amps and just clone  
> them with this thing?

short answer,  no., at least for moi'
   I've had an AXE FX II in my hands for the better part of 3 months.  
It sounds really really good, it feels really really good, its really  
really deep, and of course its really really expensive.I don't own it  
but if the person who lent it to me forgets I have it, I wouldn't  
mind.  i agree they could have had a few more stomp box models, but  
with a galaxy of amazing pedals on the market how do you go about  
choosing which ones to clone? all of of the other effects are of  
excellent quality, but an early claim I heard that its DSP was  
equivalent of the processing power of an Eventide Eclipse seems like  
hyperbole.  One of the things I have noticed is it sounds only as big  
as what you are using  as monitors so a small pair of studio monitors  
might be a bit lacking but a nice pair of stage ore pa powered  
monitors might get you there, or you could get some of those atomic  
tube power driven cabinets like the Dweezils use. What i don't like  
about it and multi processors of this ilk is the sound doesn't quite  
move me in the way that some great pedals in front of a good tube amp  
does. I don't even now why that is  but i suspect the digitally  
modeled sounds are more fatiguing to my ear. I  know there's lots of  
people who like to get in there and program for hours on end but thats  
not me. I appreciate what the AXE FX can do but the degree with which  
you can tweak parameters and the number of options is staggering to  
the point of overkill form me. Give me a handful of stellar sounds and  
I'm set.
> I was skeptical at first, but when I got my AF2, I quickly sold off  
> my Two Rocks and collection of tweed Fenders and late 60's  
> Marshalls. It's really like having a Pendulum, all the best electric  
> guitar amps you ever wanted plus a huge effects rack full of your  
> favorite TCs and Eventides etc. with great connectivity to PA,  
> powered speakers, DAWs. All I have in my rack right now is the AF2,  
> a couple EDPs and a mixer.

     I could not see parting with my vintage amps unless financial  
hardship forced me to and I don't know to what degree you play out,   
but those old tweed amps and marshall's will be running long after the  
AXE FX gets trumped by the next best thing. Two Rock's,  well those  
are amps that will be vintage collectables in the future, but built  
even better than 50's-60's stuff..  I can understand the desire to go  
smaller, lighter more portable,  less power, but not if the sound is  
as good or an improvement and  I just don't want to pay for 50  
different amps and speaker cabinets if I'm only going to uses 10. I'd  
like to see someone come out with a build your own library approach to  
this kind of hardware or software processor, along the lines of what  
UA does but so you could , for example buy a suite of vintage amps, or  
pick and choose which amp plugins to use and buy, same with   
effects... oh I'd like those tape delays and those overdrives please,  
no thanks I don't need a phaser. And the programming architecture  
would be simple and strait forward. I'd like to see a show of hands of  
AXE FX users, how many of you when dialing in an overdrive find they  
are dialing in which diode, tube or FET will be used in that  
overdrive, or change the bias on their amp model, or mis match an  
8"champ speaker with Bogner Uberschall amp? That kind of parameter  
overkill drives me to distraction, and believe me I've spent some  
hours tweaking. this is where products like this fall short for me.
So a profiling amp? hhhmmm is the plan to scour the country side to  
find cool amps that people will let you profile (hopefully in good  
working condition)?  PSSSST hey mister you got an AC15 I could spend a  
few minutes with?This product seems designed for a pretty narrow  
demographic.
I hope my sarcasm doesn't offend anyway, I'm a tube snob/brat what can  
I say?
  Bill

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=0A=0A=A0=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A__________________=
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rs-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 4:47 AM=0AS=
ubject: Re: Kemper Profilier Amp =0A=0ABill i vote for you as next presiden=
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ialing in an overdrive find they are dialing in which diode, tube or FET wi=
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phasers or choruses please give me a good Univibe instead!;-)<br>and for ch=
rist sake lets
 go on the street for a demonstration for them to stop trying to give us ny=
lon string simulations,what a waste of DSP!!<br>ive been really happy witho=
ut rack FX proccessors,just using my M9 as Effector and the Ethos OD which =
beats all those amps sims,im waiting for the Ethos 30 watt amp with FX loop=
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o im back using the Koch tube amp with it small 12 cabinet and have no desi=
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Well, the Kemper lets you load third party profiles (and there is lots of
them out there), so you do not need to ever do any profiling yourself. In
theory you could also say 'I only need a Plexi, a Blues Deluxe, a Blackface
Twin, and a Soldano SLO', find good profiles of these specific amps and
play with only these.

That's what appeals to me with the Kemper - I don't like having too many
options and spending half of my playing time programming, so the Kemper
would allow me to pick the small array of amp tones I want without being
too limited to what the manufacturer decided to offer. Plus I don't want to
part with my stompbox ODs, Fuzzes, and delays anyways, so not having so
many of these effects built in kind of works for me as well.

Whether I have =A31000 to spend on one is a different question of course ;)

On 19 July 2012 07:56, Luis Angulo <louie.angulo@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>
> *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 19, 2012 4:47 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Kemper Profilier Amp
>
> Bill i vote for you as next president!
> no more phasers or choruses please give me a good Univibe instead!;-)
> and for christ sake lets go on the street for a demonstration for them to
> stop trying to give us nylon string simulations,what a waste of DSP!!
> ive been really happy without rack FX proccessors,just using my M9 as
> Effector and the Ethos OD which beats all those amps sims,im waiting for
> the Ethos 30 watt amp with FX loop pedal,now thats a brilliant portable
> idea!
> also with my rock n roll trio im back using the Koch tube amp with it
> small 12 cabinet and have no desire at the moment to be tweaking hundreds
> of endless parameters and as you say Bill how many amp sims do you need
> live!
> Thats the thing that demotivated my about watching the profiler,certainly
> an insteresting idea for studios but as a normal musician who are you goi=
ng
> to go to to model their 1966 original amp???
> the world has gotten so greedy that if you find somebody that has one hes
> gonna charge you more than what the kemper cost to let you model his amp;=
-)
> cheers
> Luis
>
>
> oh I'd like those tape delays and those overdrives please, no thanks I
> don't need a phaser. And the programming architecture would be simple and
> strait forward. I'd like to see a show of hands of AXE FX users, how many
> of you when dialing in an overdrive find they are dialing in which diode,
> tube or FET will be used in that overdrive, or change the bias on their a=
mp
> model, or mis match an 8"champ speaker with Bogner Uberschall amp? That
> kind of parameter overkill drives me to distraction, and believe me I've
> spent some hours tweaking. this is where products like this fall short fo=
r
> me.
> So a profiling amp? hhhmmm is the plan to scour the country side to find
> cool amps that people will let you profile (hopefully in good working
> condition)?  PSSSST hey mister you got an AC15 I could spend a few minute=
s
> with?This product seems designed for a pretty narrow demographic.
> I hope my sarcasm doesn't offend anyway, I'm a tube snob/brat what can I
> say?
> Bill
>
>
>
>

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<div>Well, the Kemper lets you load third party profiles (and there is lots=
 of them out there), so you do not need to ever do any profiling yourself.=
=A0In theory you could also=A0say &#39;I only need a Plexi, a Blues Deluxe,=
 a Blackface Twin, and a Soldano SLO&#39;, find good profiles of these spec=
ific amps and play with only these. </div>
<div>=A0</div><div>That&#39;s what appeals to me with the Kemper - I don&#3=
9;t like having too many options and spending half of my playing time=A0pro=
gramming, so the Kemper would allow me to pick the small array of amp tones=
 I want without being too limited to what the manufacturer decided to offer=
. Plus I don&#39;t want to part with my stompbox ODs, Fuzzes, and delays an=
yways, so not having so many of these effects built in kind of works for me=
 as well.</div>
<div>=A0</div><div>Whether I have =A31000 to spend on one is a different qu=
estion of course ;)<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 19 July 2012=
 07:56, Luis Angulo <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:louie.angulo@ya=
hoo.com" target=3D"_blank">louie.angulo@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-=
color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div style=3D"font-family:times new roman,new york,ti=
mes,serif;font-size:12pt">
<div><span><br></span></div><div>=A0</div><div><a href=3D"http://www.myspac=
e.com/luisangulocom" target=3D"_blank">http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom=
</a><br></div>  <div style=3D"font-family:times new roman,new york,times,se=
rif;font-size:12pt">
 <div style=3D"font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:1=
2pt"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font face=3D"Arial"> <hr size=3D"1">  <b><span sty=
le=3D"font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> William Walker &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:billwalker@baymoon.com" target=3D"_blank">billwalker@baymoon.com</a>&gt;=
<br>
 <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href=3D"mailto:Loope=
rs-Delight@loopers-delight.com" target=3D"_blank">Loopers-Delight@loopers-d=
elight.com</a> <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Th=
ursday, July 19, 2012 4:47 AM<br>
 <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: Kemper Profili=
er Amp <br><br>Bill i vote for you as next president! <br>no more phasers o=
r choruses please give me a good Univibe instead!;-)<br>and for christ sake=
 lets
 go on the street for a demonstration for them to stop trying to give us ny=
lon string simulations,what a waste of DSP!!<br>ive been really happy witho=
ut rack FX proccessors,just using my M9 as Effector and the Ethos OD which =
beats all those amps sims,im waiting for the Ethos 30 watt amp with FX loop=
 pedal,now thats a brilliant portable idea!<br>
also with my rock n roll trio im back using the Koch tube amp with it small=
 12 cabinet and have no desire at the moment to be tweaking hundreds of end=
less parameters and as you say Bill how many amp sims do you need live!<br>
Thats the thing that demotivated my about watching the profiler,certainly a=
n insteresting idea for studios but as a normal musician who are you going =
to go to to model their 1966 original amp???<br>the world has gotten so gre=
edy that if you find somebody that has one hes gonna charge you more than w=
hat the kemper cost to let you model his amp;-)<br>
cheers<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>Luis<br><br> </fon=
t></span></font> </div><div class=3D"im"> <br>oh
 I&#39;d like those tape delays and those overdrives please, no thanks I do=
n&#39;t need a phaser. And the programming architecture would be simple and=
 strait forward. I&#39;d like to see a show of hands of AXE FX users, how m=
any of you when dialing in an overdrive find they are dialing in which diod=
e, tube or FET will be used in that overdrive, or change the bias on their =
amp model, or mis match an 8&quot;champ speaker with Bogner Uberschall amp?=
 That kind of parameter overkill drives me to distraction, and believe me I=
&#39;ve spent some hours tweaking. this is where products like this fall sh=
ort for me.<br>
So a profiling amp? hhhmmm is the plan to scour the country side to find co=
ol amps that people will let you profile (hopefully in good working conditi=
on)?=A0 PSSSST hey mister you got an AC15 I could spend a few minutes with?=
This product seems designed for a pretty narrow demographic.<br>
I hope my sarcasm doesn&#39;t offend anyway, I&#39;m a tube snob/brat what =
can I say?<br>
 Bill<br><br><br><br> </div></div> </div>  </div></div></blockquote></div><=
br>

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Just in case someone is interested I'm pasting in today's press
release from Kempfer, totally On-Topic.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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http://www.youtube.com/perboysen


Press Information =E2=80=93 for immediate release
Kemper Amps release new Amp Profiles and FX
Firmware 1.1 with a set of new FX and Amp Profiles for the Kemper
Profiling Amplifer

Kemper Amps/ Recklinghausen, Germany - July 19th, 2012 (ictw) =E2=80=93 Tod=
ay,
Kemper Amps have released the brand new Software Version 1.1 for the
Kemper Profiling Amplifier. This mandatory update includes a set of
brand new Lo-Fi FX, and a collection of 50 additional Amp Profiles
carefully collected from a range of guitar players with outstanding
amp set-ups.

Since its release in December 2011, the Kemper Profiling Amplifier has
found its way into the recording studios and live rigs of
internationally renowned producers and guitarists. The possibility to
take the unique sound of your own, personal amp rig into any studio,
as well as on tour, has opened up a whole new world of possibilities
to guitarists.

Some examples: Steven Wilson toured South America with his =E2=80=9CGrace F=
or
Drowning=E2=80=9D project, and his fellow guitar Player, Niko Tsonev, playe=
d
the Kemper Profiling Amp through whatever amp was provided for him at
the very diverse venues. He said he loved the sonic consistency, which
can be heard on the Blu-ray/DVD available later in 2012.

Legendary German Rock Act =E2=80=9CDie Toten Hosen=E2=80=9D (celebrating th=
eir 30th
anniversary with a #1 album this year) played to a crowd of 80,000 at
Rock am Ring, with 3 Kemper Profiling Amps feeding the guitar and bass
rigs. Producer Andy Sneap and guitarist Wolf Hoffmann used the
=E2=80=9CProfiler=E2=80=9D on the successful new ACCEPT Album =E2=80=9CStal=
ingrad=E2=80=9D. Andy Sneap
also did some extensive reamping with the KPA during the recording
sessions for the current Testament album.  Steve Lukather has been
spotted with the Kemper Profiling Amplifier while talking about his
upcoming solo album, and Steve Morse has already integrated the
Profiler into his studio. The current Marilyn Manson record =E2=80=9CBorn
Villain=E2=80=9D features some Profiler tracks, guitar legend and acclaimed
=E2=80=9Ctexturalist=E2=80=9D, David Torn, plays and loves the Kemper, coun=
try music
megastars Tim McGraw and Kenny Chesney are both touring stadiums this
summer, with guitarist Dennis Hemmingson playing the Profiler. There
are several major tours and productions in the pipeline that we cannot
talk about yet - keep your eyes peeled at www.kemper-amps.com for
details as soon as they become available!


The new Amp Profile set:

The profiles were all done by the Kemper Profiler Team which consists
of Manfred Franzkowiak, Markus Wienstroer and Sound engineer Dirk
Baldringer. All the profiles were taken at Dirk Baldringer=E2=80=99s Studio
25, where they worked tirelessly to create the best possible profiles
with that "3D-like" feeling. The team is delighted with the results
and excited that these profiles are now available to the public. Some
of the highlights are:

Mountain Amp / Vancouver Canada, claimed to be the worlds best 9V amp.
6 1/2 heavy duty Eminence speaker.
Blackface Bassman from 1965 modded by Siggi Mehl / 2x12 Celestion
Black Shadow speaker
Vox AC 15 from 1975 modded by Siggi Mehl / 1x12 original CTS  (
Chicago Telephone Supply ) speaker.
Dead Vox AC 15 / the amp died during the session, we profiled that
very moment, sounds like the Fuzz you can=E2=80=98t buy, very early Zeppeli=
n
style.

Selmer Zodiac Twin Fifty Truevoice / Crocodile period from 1963-64
with =E2=80=9E Magic Eye =E2=80=9E and original Goodman speakers

Siggi Mehl Amp 2 / 50 Watt version completely handbuilt by Amp
designer Siggi Mehlwith 4x12 Marshall Cab,  loaded with 1976 Celestion
blackbacks.

Siggi Mehl Amp 2 with Baldringer Dual Drive Pedal,handbuilt by Dirk
Baldringerwith 4x12 Marshall Cab,  loaded with 1976 Celestion
blackbacks.

VAC 25 version 1 Valvetech USA handmade amp, free point to point
wiring,Celestion H30 Anniversary speaker
Also some special Rigs by Bill Ruppert include:

Marshall Studio 15 4x12
Roland Jazzchorus
Octavia Jimi 1
Surf=E2=80=98s Up
Kemper Banjo
Kay Model 703 from 1962
Germanium Fuzz
Danelectro Twin from 1962

The new Amp Profiles as well as the new FX set come free of charge
with the Kemper Profiling Amp and can also be found in the download
section on the webiste: www.kemper-amps.com

The Lo-Fi FX Set
The Lofi update for the Kemper Profiling Amplifier brings eight new
and unusual effects that, up until now, were mostly found only in
synthesizers or plugins. The effects are: Rate Reducer, Ring
Modulator, Frequency Shifter, Recti Shaper, Bit Shaper, Soft Shaper,
Hard Shaper and Wave Shaper.

All new effects are available in the 'Stomps' as well as in the
'Effects' section. Due to their non-linear character, the results of
placing them pre-amp or post-amp can be significantly different.
The Rate Reducer, Ring Modulator and Frequency Shifter expand the
pedal-controlled effects (orange LED), and can be modified with an
expression pedal or by an envelope follower (touch mode). Recti
Shaper, Bit Shaper, Soft Shaper, Hard Shaper and Wave Shaper belong to
the drive effects section (red LED). Here is an overview:
Rate Reducer

This effect reduces the sampling rate of the audio signal passing
through and results in a raspy, scratchy tone with aliasing. The
'Peak' parameter continuously controls the quality of the sample rate
interpolation, which alters the harmonic content drastically.

Ring Modulator
The signal is modulated by a sine oscillator. Lower settings produce a
tremolo-like effect, whereas higher settings bend the complete
harmonic structure of the instrument into a bell-like character by
shifting every frequency component either upwards (sum frequency) or
downwards (difference frequency). The 'Stereo' parameter divides the
sum and difference frequencies into the left and right channel. The
bipolar nature of the 'Manual' parameter can now be used to reverse
the stereo panorama.

Frequency Shifter
The frequency shifter can be thought of as a 'deluxe' ring modulator.
Even today, only a handful of frequency shifters exist in the digital
domain. It is as useful for creating beautiful, subtle harmonic
deviations as it is in producing high-pitched, clangourous noise. Like
the ring modulator, it uses a sine wave to modulate the signal, but in
such a way as to produce only the 'sum' or 'difference' frequencies of
the two signals. In contrast to a pitch shifter, which preserves the
dependencies of the harmonics, the frequency shifter bends these
dependencies, resulting in a bell-like spectrum. It's not unlike a
shortwave radio that hasn't been tuned correctly.

Recti Shaper
The Recti Shaper behaves like a physical rectifier, by folding the
negative half-cycle into the positive portion of a wave. The intensity
of the effect is controlled by 'Drive'.
This effect is best known from octave fuzzes, which work by combining
a rectifier with distortion. The Recti Shaper provides just the
rectifier part combine it with other effects and distortions as you
see fit.

Bit Shaper
The Bit Shaper continuously reduces the bit depth of a signal, with
higher 'Drive' settings resulting in fewer available bits. The effect
can be described as introducing a fizzy distortion, with a choking of
the signal at high settings. The signal can even break off completely
at the most extreme settings.
Soft Shaper, Hard Shaper and Wave Shaper
These are distortion effects, with a unique character, that probably
never existed in the analog realm. They are especially destructive
when playing double-stops or chords.

The Kemper Profiling Amplifier
The Kemper Profiling Amplifier represents a radical new approach to
guitar sound. For decades, the electric guitarist has effectively been
shackled to the tube amplifier as the only solution for getting =E2=80=9Cth=
at
sound=E2=80=9D. This combination may indeed be glorious, but it is far from
ideal; achieving consistent results between practice, studio, and
touring situations continues to challenge the guitarist, just as it
has since the early 1930's. With the advent of the Kemper Profiling
Amplifier, everything has changed. For the first time in history, you
are free to create the most unique and individual tones that reflect
the very essence of you as a player, and then capture these exact
sounds into the digital domain with Kemper's patented technology.
Company Contact: www.kemper-amps.com

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i'm an axe fx user. have been for several years. first the ultra and
now the II. of course it only sounds as good as the monitors/speakers
you're playing it through. i now use two 10" RCF's and it sounds
amazing to me. having so much flexibility all in one 2u box has been a
godsend. i can create all my ambient textures in it and still use the
same box for my covers band. i also love tweaking, but only go as far
as i need to. there are still many parameters in the amp block which
are a mystery to me. i just leave them set at default.

for me, it works. it reduced my 12u rack down to 2u and a laptop and
four 1x12 cabs down to two 10" speakers. for someone with early onset
arthritis, that's very very good.

yes, it's complicated, but that also translates into choice. once
you've learned your way around, you figure out what you need to tweak
and what you can leave alone. using the computer editor makes creating
and editing patches a breeze.

no, it's not for everybody and statements like these do make me laugh
sometimes... "I just don't want to pay for 50 different amps and
speaker cabinets if I'm only going to uses 10"....and...."That kind of
parameter overkill drives me to distraction, and believe me I've spent
some hours tweaking. this is where products like this fall short for
me."

there was a time when digital modelling was a bit of a joke in the
guitar community. it just sounded so bad compared to the real thing.
that time has passed. now you just choose the product that's right for
you. there is no right or wrong...it just comes down to personal
preference.

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cliff posted this clip. one half is the real amp, the other is the axe
fx. just in case there was still any doubt about the accuracy of
digital models - http://www.fractalaudio.com/tmp/sherbert2plus.mp3 -
it's channel 2 of the diezel herbert...an amp head that costs more
than the axe fx.

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> there was a time when digital modelling was a bit of a joke in the
> guitar community. it just sounded so bad compared to the real thing.
> that time has passed.

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> cliff posted this clip. one half is the real amp, the other is the axe
> fx. just in case there was still any doubt about the accuracy of
> digital models - http://www.fractalaudio.com/tmp/sherbert2plus.mp3 -
> it's channel 2 of the diezel herbert...an amp head that costs more
> than the axe fx.


Interesting! Both are good IMHO. But not the same - I guess that was
not the point of that example? When producing recordings a difference
as big as between those two examples can be crucial.

Greetings from Sweden

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well the differences aren't that big, per, let's be honest. if you
recorded that tone, you'd need to eq it to fit in a mix anyway...real
amp or not. and can you tell which one was the real amp?

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> Interesting! Both are good IMHO. But not the same - I guess that was
> not the point of that example? When producing recordings a difference
> as big as between those two examples can be crucial.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.com
> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>

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No. But I can't tell wich one is the un-real amp either. So what's the
point? "Both are good" ;-)  No matter applying EQ during mixing, I
would definitely regard them as two different sounds from wich I would
pick the one that best matches the needed source sound for the current
music. But that's "studio talk" and I assume this whole thread is is
about the live performing aspect, making my point a bit OT.

Per


On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Simeon Harris
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> well the differences aren't that big, per, let's be honest. if you
> recorded that tone, you'd need to eq it to fit in a mix anyway...real
> amp or not. and can you tell which one was the real amp?
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Interesting! Both are good IMHO. But not the same - I guess that was
>> not the point of that example? When producing recordings a difference
>> as big as between those two examples can be crucial.
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.perboysen.com
>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>
>

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well that was the point really. it was just to demonstrate how far
modelling has come.

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> point? "Both are good" ;-)

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Simeon=2C is your laptop just for looping then? What sort of foot control a=
re you using? Personally I think the more options for customising your soun=
d=2C the better. The choice is there but no-one forces you to do it.
peace=2C
g

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

> Date: Thu=2C 19 Jul 2012 13:13:22 +0100
> Subject: Re: Kemper Profilier Amp
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> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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> well that was the point really. it was just to demonstrate how far
> modelling has come.
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> On Thu=2C Jul 19=2C 2012 at 12:47 PM=2C Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> =
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> > point? "Both are good" =3B-)
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yes, the laptop is just for looping. i use mobius, augustus looper and
crossfade loop synth hosted in ableton with various plugins for
post-loop treatment. i use two pedalboards - a yamaha mfc10 for
selecting sounds on the axe fx and a nobels mf-1 for controlling
mobius. i also have a novation remote zero sl, which has lots of
faders and knobs on it for switching stuff on and off within the
ableton layout.

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> Simeon, is your laptop just for looping then? What sort of foot control are
> you using? Personally I think the more options for customising your sound,
> the better. The choice is there but no-one forces you to do it.
>
> peace,
>
> g
>
> Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk
>
>> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 13:13:22 +0100
>
>> Subject: Re: Kemper Profilier Amp
>> From: simeonharris40@googlemail.com
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>
>>
>> well that was the point really. it was just to demonstrate how far
>> modelling has come.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > No. But I can't tell wich one is the un-real amp either. So what's the
>> > point? "Both are good" ;-)
>>

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On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Simeon Harris
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> yes, the laptop is just for looping


An Axe-Fx2 with a looper laptop in a USB send/return loop seems to be
a nice rig.

Per

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I use a Boomerang III.  I love that I can set a master loop and then create
loops around that.  For example, I can set a one bar beatbox riff and then
add three other loops of different lengths.  Is there something for iPad
that would work similarily?  Someone pointed out Loopy as an app that I
might like.

I want to do stuff like this (my rig is a Line 6 M13 into the Boomerang and
then into a Tech 21 Sans amp) live.  I thought maybe the iPad would make a
good travel looper or give me "better" options/flexibility.  Thanks!
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I use a Boomerang III.=A0 I love that I can set a master loop and then crea=
te loops around that.=A0 For example, I can set a one bar beatbox riff and =
then add three other loops of different lengths.=A0 Is there something for =
iPad that would work similarily?=A0 Someone pointed out Loopy as an app tha=
t I might like.<br>

<br>I want to do stuff like this (my rig is a Line 6 M13 into the Boomerang=
 and then into a Tech 21 Sans amp) live.=A0 I thought maybe the iPad would =
make a good travel looper or give me &quot;better&quot; options/flexibility=
.=A0 Thanks!<br clear=3D"all">

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<a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com.user/mikefugazzi" target=3D"_blank">YouTu=
be</a><br>
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There is also the Loopr Live Loop Composer that should be coming out =
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On 19 juil. 2012, at 16:56, Mike Fugazzi wrote:

> I use a Boomerang III.  I love that I can set a master loop and then =
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> I want to do stuff like this (my rig is a Line 6 M13 into the =
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> ----------
> Mike Fugazzi
> vocals/harmonica
> http://www.mikefugazzi.com
> Facebook
> YouTube
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<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">There is also the Loopr Live Loop Composer that should be coming out soon, you might want to check it out then:<div><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69Yc_vNb1aE">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69Yc_vNb1aE</a></div><div>Cheers</div><div><br><div><div>On 19 juil. 2012, at 16:56, Mike Fugazzi wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">I use a Boomerang III.&nbsp; I love that I can set a master loop and then create loops around that.&nbsp; For example, I can set a one bar beatbox riff and then add three other loops of different lengths.&nbsp; Is there something for iPad that would work similarily?&nbsp; Someone pointed out Loopy as an app that I might like.<br>

<br>I want to do stuff like this (my rig is a Line 6 M13 into the Boomerang and then into a Tech 21 Sans amp) live.&nbsp; I thought maybe the iPad would make a good travel looper or give me "better" options/flexibility.&nbsp; Thanks!<br clear="all">

----------<br>Mike Fugazzi<br>vocals/harmonica<br><a href="http://www.mikefugazzi.com/" target="_blank">http://www.mikefugazzi.com</a><br><a href="http://www.facebook.com/MikeFugazziMusic" target="_blank">Facebook</a><br>
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There is a -new-  Loopy app called Loopy HD that allows 12 loops, 
synched or unsynched and has the lowest latency of any audio app I've 
measured.

http://loopyapp.com/features

>I use a Boomerang III.  I love that I can set a master loop and then 
>create loops around that.  For example, I can set a one bar beatbox 
>riff and then add three other loops of different lengths.  Is there 
>something for iPad that would work similarily?  Someone pointed out 
>Loopy as an app that I might like.
>
>I want to do stuff like this (my rig is a Line 6 M13 into the 
>Boomerang and then into a Tech 21 Sans amp) live.  I thought maybe 
>the iPad would make a good travel looper or give me "better" 
>options/flexibility.  Thanks!
>----------
>Mike Fugazzi
>vocals/harmonica
><http://www.mikefugazzi.com>http://www.mikefugazzi.com
><http://www.facebook.com/MikeFugazziMusic>Facebook
><http://www.youtube.com.user/mikefugazzi>YouTube
><http://www.mikefugazzi.com/fr_customharmonicas.cfm>Quicksilver 
>Custom Harmonicas


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<div>There is a -new-&nbsp; Loopy app called Loopy HD that allows 12
loops, synched or unsynched and has the lowest latency of any audio
app I've measured.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>http://loopyapp.com/features</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>I use a Boomerang III.&nbsp; I love that
I can set a master loop and then create loops around that.&nbsp; For
example, I can set a one bar beatbox riff and then add three other
loops of different lengths.&nbsp; Is there something for iPad that
would work similarily?&nbsp; Someone pointed out Loopy as an app that
I might like.<br>
<br>
I want to do stuff like this (my rig is a Line 6 M13 into the
Boomerang and then into a Tech 21 Sans amp) live.&nbsp; I thought
maybe the iPad would make a good travel looper or give me
&quot;better&quot; options/flexibility.&nbsp; Thanks!<br>
----------<br>
Mike Fugazzi<br>
vocals/harmonica<br>
<a
href="http://www.mikefugazzi.com">http://www.mikefugazzi.com</a><br>
<a href="http://www.facebook.com/MikeFugazziMusic">Facebook</a><br>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com.user/mikefugazzi">YouTube</a><br>
<a
href="http://www.mikefugazzi.com/fr_customharmonicas.cfm">Quicksilver
Custom Harmonicas</a></blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<x-sigsep><pre>-- 
</pre></x-sigsep>
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...<br>
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Philip wrote:
> Sorry to revive this. 
> 
> I've still been having trouble doing this (so I have a click from the machine going into both EDP1 and EDP2).
> 
> When I click a button on the Foot Controller, only one of them responds to the command. 

Need to connect midi out of EDP1 to midi In of EDP2.

andy

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Will it work in place of the Boomerang live?  Would it be easy to plug my
board into?  I am not sure how connecting my pedal board to an iPad even
works.  I just got it and am realizing I could cut back on hauling other
gear...maybe.

I tried searching Google, etc, but without much luck.   I love the
Boomerang, but also see how an iPad might even do more for me with or
without midi.
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/MikeFugazziMusic>
YouTube <http://www.youtube.com.user/mikefugazzi>
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas
<http://www.mikefugazzi.com/fr_customharmonicas.cfm>



On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net>wrote:

> **
> There is a -new-  Loopy app called Loopy HD that allows 12 loops, synched
> or unsynched and has the lowest latency of any audio app I've measured.
>
> http://loopyapp.com/features
>
> I use a Boomerang III.  I love that I can set a master loop and then
> create loops around that.  For example, I can set a one bar beatbox riff
> and then add three other loops of different lengths.  Is there something
> for iPad that would work similarily?  Someone pointed out Loopy as an app
> that I might like.
>
> I want to do stuff like this (my rig is a Line 6 M13 into the Boomerang
> and then into a Tech 21 Sans amp) live.  I thought maybe the iPad would
> make a good travel looper or give me "better" options/flexibility.  Thanks!
> ----------
> Mike Fugazzi
> vocals/harmonica
> http://www.mikefugazzi.com
> Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/MikeFugazziMusic>
> YouTube <http://www.youtube.com.user/mikefugazzi>
> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas<http://www.mikefugazzi.com/fr_customharmonicas.cfm>
>
>
>
> **
>
> --
>
> **
>
> ...
> http://www.zmix.net
>
> http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky
>
> http://albumcredits.com/zmix
>

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Will it work in place of the Boomerang live?=A0 Would it be easy to plug my=
 board into?=A0 I am not sure how connecting my pedal board to an iPad even=
 works.=A0 I just got it and am realizing I could cut back on hauling other=
 gear...maybe.<br>

<br>I tried searching Google, etc, but without much luck.=A0=A0 I love the =
Boomerang, but also see how an iPad might even do more for me with or witho=
ut midi.<br clear=3D"all">----------<br>Mike Fugazzi<br>vocals/harmonica<br=
>
<a href=3D"http://www.mikefugazzi.com" target=3D"_blank">http://www.mikefug=
azzi.com</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.facebook.com/MikeFugazziMusic" target=3D"_blank">Face=
book</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com.user/mikefugazzi" target=3D"_=
blank">YouTube</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.mikefugazzi.com/fr_customharmon=
icas.cfm" target=3D"_blank">Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas </a><br>

<br>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Charle=
s Zwicky <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cazwicky@earthlink.net" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">cazwicky@earthlink.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc soli=
d;padding-left:1ex">

<u></u>
<div>
<div>There is a -new-=A0 Loopy app called Loopy HD that allows 12
loops, synched or unsynched and has the lowest latency of any audio
app I&#39;ve measured.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><a href=3D"http://loopyapp.com/features" target=3D"_blank">http://loop=
yapp.com/features</a></div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">I use a Boomerang III.=A0 I love that
I can set a master loop and then create loops around that.=A0 For
example, I can set a one bar beatbox riff and then add three other
loops of different lengths.=A0 Is there something for iPad that
would work similarily?=A0 Someone pointed out Loopy as an app that
I might like.<br>
<br>
I want to do stuff like this (my rig is a Line 6 M13 into the
Boomerang and then into a Tech 21 Sans amp) live.=A0 I thought
maybe the iPad would make a good travel looper or give me
&quot;better&quot; options/flexibility.=A0 Thanks!<br>
----------<br>
Mike Fugazzi<br>
vocals/harmonica<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.mikefugazzi.com" target=3D"_blank">http://www.mikefug=
azzi.com</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.facebook.com/MikeFugazziMusic" target=3D"_blank">Face=
book</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com.user/mikefugazzi" target=3D"_blank">YouTu=
be</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.mikefugazzi.com/fr_customharmonicas.cfm" target=3D"_b=
lank">Quicksilver
Custom Harmonicas</a></blockquote><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#88=
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GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info
=======================================================================
Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the
month-long Special Focus on Radio Massacre International.  The Featured
CD at Midnight will be "Lost in Transit 3 - National Space Centre 2006"
on Northern Echo.

Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that
airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and
Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville
and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1
FM.  Listen at http://wdiy.org on the internet.

Note: The WDIY website has changed and the Galactic Travels portion is
gone.  I am working this issue.

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there's some advice on the loopr website that may help a bit
http://loopr.net/configuration/
cheers
;)
z



Le 19 juil. 2012 =C3=A0 19:05, Mike Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> a =C3=A9=
crit :

> Will it work in place of the Boomerang live?  Would it be easy to plug my b=
oard into?  I am not sure how connecting my pedal board to an iPad even work=
s.  I just got it and am realizing I could cut back on hauling other gear...=
maybe.
>=20
> I tried searching Google, etc, but without much luck.   I love the Boomera=
ng, but also see how an iPad might even do more for me with or without midi.=

> ----------
> Mike Fugazzi
> vocals/harmonica
> http://www.mikefugazzi.com
> Facebook
> YouTube
> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net> w=
rote:
> There is a -new-  Loopy app called Loopy HD that allows 12 loops, synched o=
r unsynched and has the lowest latency of any audio app I've measured.
>=20
> http://loopyapp.com/features
>=20
>> I use a Boomerang III.  I love that I can set a master loop and then crea=
te loops around that.  For example, I can set a one bar beatbox riff and the=
n add three other loops of different lengths.  Is there something for iPad t=
hat would work similarily?  Someone pointed out Loopy as an app that I might=
 like.
>>=20
>> I want to do stuff like this (my rig is a Line 6 M13 into the Boomerang a=
nd then into a Tech 21 Sans amp) live.  I thought maybe the iPad would make a=
 good travel looper or give me "better" options/flexibility.  Thanks!
>> ----------
>> Mike Fugazzi
>> vocals/harmonica
>> http://www.mikefugazzi.com
>> Facebook
>> YouTube
>> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas
>=20
>=20
> --=20
>=20
> ...
> http://www.zmix.net
>=20
> http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky
>=20
> http://albumcredits.com/zmix
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<html><head></head><body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>there's some advice on the=
 loopr website that may help a bit</div><div><a href=3D"http://loopr.net/con=
figuration/">http://loopr.net/configuration/</a></div><div>cheers</div><div>=
;)</div><div>z<br><br><br></div><div><br>Le 19 juil. 2012 =C3=A0 19:05, Mike=
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"><div>Will it work in place of the Boomerang live?&nbsp; Would it be easy t=
o plug my board into?&nbsp; I am not sure how connecting my pedal board to a=
n iPad even works.&nbsp; I just got it and am realizing I could cut back on h=
auling other gear...maybe.<br>

<br>I tried searching Google, etc, but without much luck.&nbsp;&nbsp; I love=
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ithout midi.<br clear=3D"all">----------<br>Mike Fugazzi<br>vocals/harmonica=
<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.mikefugazzi.com" target=3D"_blank">http://www.mikefuga=
zzi.com</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.facebook.com/MikeFugazziMusic" target=3D"_blank">Faceb=
ook</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com.user/mikefugazzi" target=3D"_bl=
ank">YouTube</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.mikefugazzi.com/fr_customharmonica=
s.cfm" target=3D"_blank">Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas </a><br>

<br>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Charles=
 Zwicky <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cazwicky@earthlink.net" targ=
et=3D"_blank">cazwicky@earthlink.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pa=
dding-left:1ex">

<u></u>
<div>
<div>There is a -new-&nbsp; Loopy app called Loopy HD that allows 12
loops, synched or unsynched and has the lowest latency of any audio
app I've measured.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><a href=3D"http://loopyapp.com/features" target=3D"_blank">http://loopy=
app.com/features</a></div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">I use a Boomerang III.&nbsp; I love that
I can set a master loop and then create loops around that.&nbsp; For
example, I can set a one bar beatbox riff and then add three other
loops of different lengths.&nbsp; Is there something for iPad that
would work similarily?&nbsp; Someone pointed out Loopy as an app that
I might like.<br>
<br>
I want to do stuff like this (my rig is a Line 6 M13 into the
Boomerang and then into a Tech 21 Sans amp) live.&nbsp; I thought
maybe the iPad would make a good travel looper or give me
"better" options/flexibility.&nbsp; Thanks!<br>
----------<br>
Mike Fugazzi<br>
vocals/harmonica<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.mikefugazzi.com" target=3D"_blank">http://www.mikefuga=
zzi.com</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.facebook.com/MikeFugazziMusic" target=3D"_blank">Faceb=
ook</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com.user/mikefugazzi" target=3D"_blank">YouTub=
e</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.mikefugazzi.com/fr_customharmonicas.cfm" target=3D"_bl=
ank">Quicksilver
Custom Harmonicas</a></blockquote><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888=
888">
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<u></u><pre>--=20
</pre><u></u>
<div><br>
...<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.zmix.net" target=3D"_blank">http://www.zmix.net</a><br=
>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky" target=3D"_blank">http://www=
.esession.com/ChuckZwicky</a><br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://albumcredits.com/zmix" target=3D"_blank">http://albumcredi=
ts.com/zmix</a></div>
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> i'm an axe fx user. have been for several years. first the ultra and
> now the II. of course it only sounds as good as the monitors/speakers
> you're playing it through. i now use two 10" RCF's and it sounds
> amazing to me. having so much flexibility all in one 2u box has been a
> godsend. i can create all my ambient textures in it and still use the
> same box for my covers band. i also love tweaking, but only go as far
> as i need to. there are still many parameters in the amp block which
> are a mystery to me. i just leave them set at default.
>
  First of all don't take what i say as a personal attack Sim because  
it isn't, but the last sentence of this first statement is exactly why  
I'm not sold on this thing, why does sounding good have to equate with  
a bunch of parameters that have very subtle effect, and a huge  
assortment of options?  I'm saying that if you only use 1/4 of what's  
available in a device it doesn't strike me as a particularly good  
value, But then I know this is tempered by the fact that as a life  
long musician who's part time day job is a whopping 16 hours a week  
and has to scramble to make the mortgage every month. I used to be of  
the strata that had to have the latest innovation on the market, and I  
still certainly have that desire. I had an epiphany a few years ago  
when things were looking even more  bleak than they do now , I believe  
whilst lusting after an Eclipse. I realized I'm no longer able to be  
the guy who can afford the latest and great when it came out.  But the  
real Eureka  moment for me was  also when I realized that I can pair  
back to a minimal amount of choices, and believe me my minimal seems  
excessive to some, and it actually has a positive effect on my music  
making, because I'm the kind of guy who might obsessively waste an  
afternoon better spent playing or recording,  tweaking stuff on a a  
swiss-army-processor. This is a personal short coming of mine. given  
a  box of crayons  i might actually draw a nice picture, given the  
ultimate crayon box with every color they make, I might  spend the day  
trying out every crayon and wondering where the time went.

> for me, it works. it reduced my 12u rack down to 2u and a laptop and
> four 1x12 cabs down to two 10" speakers. for someone with early onset
> arthritis, that's very very good.

check and double check I had to  give up my monster 90's rig due to a  
hernia, I also have early onset of arthritis, well maybe not early I'm  
55, and I've had repetitive stress issues with my playing thumb for a  
while now. Too many torture chords i like to reach for and a  
preference for  big necks  and three note per string scale patterns, I  
suppose. How I achieved a pairing down is moving to small tube combo  
amps with a pedal board, or a di rig with a 4 space rack and the  
mackie equivalent of your RCF's.  I totally get the need to stop  
lugging heavy stuff around and why this works for you.

>
> yes, it's complicated, but that also translates into choice. once
> you've learned your way around, you figure out what you need to tweak
> and what you can leave alone. using the computer editor makes creating
> and editing patches a breeze.
>
I have had no problem  feeling my way around the Axe FX II,  Its not  
that complicated, but it is deep in minutiae and thats when I start to  
question the why of the design.  I haven't looked at the online  
manual, and I borrowed it without one, Its graphic  routing display  
reminds be of the TC fireworx, there are a couple of things that  
confuse me like how you can use both amps at the same time, to create  
a  parallel 2 amp set up, like I'm fond of doing with real amps. but  
I've really mostly  been tweaking presets and exploring the myriad of  
amp choices as a point of evaluation for some beta test work I'll be  
doing in the coming year, on  you guessed it, amp modeling software...

> no, it's not for everybody and statements like these do make me laugh
> sometimes... "I just don't want to pay for 50 different amps and
> speaker cabinets if I'm only going to uses 10"....and...."That kind of
> parameter overkill drives me to distraction, and believe me I've spent
> some hours tweaking. this is where products like this fall short for
> me."
>
I'm glad this gave you a chuckle, I honestly believe someone is  
capable of doing what I'm talking about, a hardware component with  
loadable software, different levels and price points of available DSP  
power and modeling amp choices. perhaps not one at a time but in  
suites that make sense. AXE FX has set the bar high for this kind of  
tool but at the end of the day I'm digging the sound and feel of my  
component system of analog, DSP, modeled effects and tube gear better  
than I like the sound and feel of the AXE FX . it all boils down to  
personal taste


> there was a time when digital modelling was a bit of a joke in the
> guitar community. it just sounded so bad compared to the real thing.
> that time has passed. now you just choose the product that's right for
> you. there is no right or wrong...it just comes down to personal
> preference.

Hey this thing  sounds way better than modeling stuff 7-10 years ago.  
You won't get an argument from me. It is a remarkable tool, I still  
don't believe its completely there yet in sound or feel.  I see they  
have dropped the price,  but at $2200, its still out of my reach. If  
they made something a 1/4 of the price that was mounted on the floor,  
with switches and you could pick your amps and effects and download  
them off the web, I would be more inclined to buy a product like that.
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style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "></span><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><br></span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; ">i'm an axe fx user. =
have been for several years. first the ultra and</span><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13px; "><br></span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13px; ">now the II. of course it only sounds as good =
as the monitors/speakers</span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><br></span><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13px; ">you're playing it through. i now use two 10" RCF's and it =
sounds</span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><br></span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; ">amazing to me. having =
so much flexibility all in one 2u box has been a</span><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13px; "><br></span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13px; ">godsend. i can create all my ambient textures =
in it and still use the</span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><br></span><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13px; ">same box for my covers band. i also love tweaking, but only go =
as far</span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><br></span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; ">as i need to. there are =
still many parameters in the amp block which</span><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13px; "><br></span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13px; ">are a mystery to me. i just leave them set at =
default.</span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><br></span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; =
"><br></span></blockquote><div>&nbsp;First of all don't take what i say =
as a personal attack Sim because it isn't, but the last sentence of this =
first statement is exactly why I'm not sold on this thing, why does =
sounding good have to equate with a bunch of parameters that have very =
subtle effect, and a huge assortment of options? &nbsp;I'm saying that =
if you only use 1/4 of what's available in a device it doesn't strike me =
as a particularly good value, But then I know this is tempered by the =
fact that as a life long musician who's part time day job is a whopping =
16 hours a week and has to scramble to make the mortgage every month. I =
used to be of the strata that had to have the latest innovation on the =
market, and I still certainly have that desire. I had an epiphany a few =
years ago when things were looking even more &nbsp;bleak than they do =
now , I believe whilst lusting after an Eclipse. I realized I'm no =
longer able to be the guy who can afford the latest and great when it =
came out. &nbsp;But the real Eureka &nbsp;moment for me was &nbsp;also =
when I realized that I can pair back to a minimal amount of choices, and =
believe me my minimal seems excessive to some, and it actually has a =
positive effect on my music making, because I'm the kind of guy who =
might obsessively waste an afternoon better spent playing or recording, =
&nbsp;tweaking stuff on a a swiss-army-processor. This is a personal =
short coming of mine. given a &nbsp;box of crayons &nbsp;i might =
actually draw a nice picture, given the ultimate crayon box with every =
color they make, I might &nbsp;spend the day trying out every crayon and =
wondering where the time went.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13px; ">for me, it works. it reduced my 12u rack down =
to 2u and a laptop and</span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><br></span><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13px; ">four 1x12 cabs down to two 10" speakers. for someone with early =
onset</span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><br></span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; ">arthritis, that's very =
very good.</span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13px; =
"><br></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>check and double check I =
had to &nbsp;give up my monster 90's rig due to a hernia, I also have =
early onset of arthritis, well maybe not early I'm 55, and I've had =
repetitive stress issues with my playing thumb for a while now. Too many =
torture chords i like to reach for and a preference for &nbsp;big necks =
&nbsp;and three note per string scale patterns, I suppose. How I =
achieved a pairing down is moving to small tube combo amps with a pedal =
board, or a di rig with a 4 space rack and the mackie equivalent of your =
RCF's. &nbsp;I totally get the need to stop lugging heavy stuff around =
and why this works for you.&nbsp;</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span=
 class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13px; "><br></span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13px; ">yes, it's complicated, but that also =
translates into choice. once</span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><br></span><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13px; ">you've learned your way around, you figure out what you need to =
tweak</span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><br></span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; ">and what you can leave =
alone. using the computer editor makes creating</span><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13px; "><br></span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13px; ">and editing patches a breeze.</span><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13px; "><br></span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><br></span></blockquote><div>I have had no =
problem &nbsp;feeling my way around the Axe FX II, &nbsp;Its not that =
complicated, but it is deep in minutiae and thats when I start to =
question the why of the design. &nbsp;I haven't looked at the online =
manual, and I borrowed it without one, Its graphic &nbsp;routing display =
reminds be of the TC fireworx, there are a couple of things that confuse =
me like how you can use both amps at the same time, to create a =
&nbsp;parallel 2 amp set up, like I'm fond of doing with real amps. but =
I've really mostly &nbsp;been tweaking presets and exploring the myriad =
of amp choices as a point of evaluation for some beta test work I'll be =
doing in the coming year, on &nbsp;you guessed it, amp modeling =
software...</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13px; ">no, it's not for everybody and statements like these do make me =
laugh</span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><br></span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; ">sometimes... "I just =
don't want to pay for 50 different amps and</span><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13px; "><br></span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13px; ">speaker cabinets if I'm only going to uses =
10"....and...."That kind of</span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><br></span><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13px; ">parameter overkill drives me to distraction, and believe me I've =
spent</span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><br></span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; ">some hours tweaking. =
this is where products like this fall short for</span><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13px; "><br></span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13px; ">me."</span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><br></span><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13px; "><br></span></blockquote><div>I'm glad this gave you a chuckle, I =
honestly believe someone is capable of doing what I'm talking about, a =
hardware component with loadable software, different levels and price =
points of available DSP power and modeling amp choices. perhaps not one =
at a time but in suites that make sense. AXE FX has set the bar high for =
this kind of tool but at the end of the day I'm digging the sound and =
feel of my component system of analog, DSP, =
modeled&nbsp;effects&nbsp;and&nbsp;tube gear better than I like the =
sound and feel of the AXE FX . it all boils down to personal =
taste</div><div><br></div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13px; ">there was a time when digital modelling was a bit of a joke in =
the</span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; =
font-size: 13px; "><br></span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; ">guitar community. it =
just sounded so bad compared to the real thing.</span><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13px; "><br></span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13px; ">that time has passed. now you just choose the =
product that's right for</span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><br></span><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13px; ">you. there is no right or wrong...it just comes down to =
personal</span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><br></span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; =
">preference.</span></blockquote><br><div>Hey this thing &nbsp;sounds =
way better than modeling stuff 7-10 years ago. You won't get an argument =
from me. It is a remarkable tool, I still don't believe its completely =
there yet in sound or feel. &nbsp;I see they have dropped the price, =
&nbsp;but at $2200, its still out of my reach. If they made something a =
1/4 of the price that was mounted on the floor, with switches and you =
could pick your amps and effects and download them off the web, I would =
be more inclined to buy a product like =
that.&nbsp;</div><div>Bill</div></body></html>=

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> cliff posted this clip. one half is the real amp, the other is the axe
> fx. just in case there was still any doubt about the accuracy of
> digital models - http://www.fractalaudio.com/tmp/sherbert2plus.mp3 -
> it's channel 2 of the diezel herbert...an amp head that costs more
> than the axe fx.

Ok you convinced me, I don't want to buy the amp either :-) the first  
example  sounds harsher to my ear with more noise floor, the second  
one sounds gated and slighter smoother, unfortunately the tones are  
not my aesthetic cup of tea.  Where I find the modeling technology is  
most obviously fake sounding is in the clean to mildly overdriven  
tones, where the harshness in the high frequencies is more  
noticeable,   the kind of amps  that have wider dynamic range, more  
tactile response and are not overly gain-y and compressed like these  
tones are. So I give up, which is which?  i agree the sounds have  
vastly improved, but I still think its overpriced. I think most   
boutique amps are overpriced, but at least with them you know they  
will hold there value and last forever.
example:  20 years ago I bought a vintage princeton reverb for $500 I  
got a good deal at the time but that amp can now fetch between  
$1500-2500, whereas the Pod pro I bought for around the same money  
might fetch $200 If sold used today if I'm lucky. I still have the  
princeton. my main amp for club work and sessions
Bill
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class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13px; ">cliff posted this clip. one half is the real amp, the other is =
the axe</span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><br></span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; ">fx. just in case there =
was still any doubt about the accuracy of</span><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13px; "><br></span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13px; ">digital models -</span><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13px; ">&nbsp;</span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><a =
href=3D"http://www.fractalaudio.com/tmp/sherbert2plus.mp3">http://www.frac=
talaudio.com/tmp/sherbert2plus.mp3</a></span><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13px; ">&nbsp;</span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; ">-</span><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13px; "><br></span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: =
Tahoma; font-size: 13px; ">it's channel 2 of the diezel herbert...an amp =
head that costs more</span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><br></span><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13px; ">than the axe fx.</span></blockquote><br><div>Ok you convinced =
me, I don't want to buy the amp either :-) the first example =
&nbsp;sounds harsher to my ear with more noise floor, the second one =
sounds gated and slighter smoother, unfortunately the tones are not my =
aesthetic cup of tea. &nbsp;Where I find the modeling technology is most =
obviously fake sounding is in the clean to mildly overdriven tones, =
where the harshness in the high frequencies is more noticeable, &nbsp; =
the kind of amps &nbsp;that have wider dynamic range, more tactile =
response and are not overly gain-y and compressed like these tones are. =
So I give up, which is which? &nbsp;i agree the sounds have vastly =
improved, but I still think its overpriced. I think most &nbsp;boutique =
amps are overpriced, but at least with them you know they will hold =
there value and last forever.&nbsp;</div><div>example: &nbsp;20 years =
ago I bought a vintage princeton reverb for $500 I got a good deal at =
the time but that amp can now fetch between $1500-2500, whereas the Pod =
pro I bought for around the same money might fetch $200 If sold used =
today if I'm lucky. I still have the princeton. my main amp for club =
work and sessions</div><div>Bill</div></body></html>=

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On Jul 19, 2012, at 7:56 AM, Mike Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:

> I want to do stuff like this (my rig is a Line 6 M13 into the Boomerang an=
d then into a Tech 21 Sans amp) live.  I thought maybe the iPad would make a=
 good travel looper or give me "better" options/flexibility.  Thanks!

Not on the iPad front, but I recommend running the SansAmp in the effects lo=
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while we are on the subject Bill,=0AThe quest for me now is believe it or n=
ot and as naive as it might sound not so much studio but " amp placement on=
stage";-)=0AIm not really concern with studio amp gear,i think with the amo=
unt of plugins and boxes out there you can get very satisfying results quic=
kly and more efficient that spending so much money in boutique amps and hou=
rs trying to get the magical mike position=0AThis is where the Kemper and t=
he Axe might be worth their money.=0A=0AHowever most such discussions about=
 amps evolves on what we as guitarrist hear and feel and our quest ofthe ul=
timate guitar amp magic through P.A. speakers,plus the transport factor,now=
days we have too haul P.A.s as well!=0A=0ASo the questions is,is there real=
ly a huge difference of the sound coming out of 2 10" P.A. boxes,wether is =
miking your amp,or through a 400.-dlls Modeler,or through an Axe FX or a Ke=
mper amp?=0Athis is the real mystery for me since the end output is mostly =
all through P.A. systems and im hardly ever in front to hear it the whole n=
ight=0A=0Ai wonder why they havent come up yet with a mixer and an integrat=
ed channel input with good amp modeling presets for guitarrist;-)=0Aive bee=
n to concerts where ive seen players with their awesome classic tube amps a=
ll miked but in the back of the audience they didnt sound that great to my =
ears really=0A=0Aive also been right in front of the stage and thats when i=
 can say ive enjoyed the guitar sound coming through such amps the most, fe=
eling that "thump"=0Aive seen concert with dudes using amp modelers that so=
unded terrible and brittle while ive seen others who i thought were using r=
eal vintage amps but they were using either software or a floor modeler,bet=
ter that those boutique amps miked!=0A=0Ai personally enjoy my tube amp mos=
tly playing small clubs where the sound comes straight from its speakers wi=
thout being miked.=0A=0ABut as soon as we play outside or bigger venues it =
becomes an issue,either you are blasting one of your band members while the=
 other can=B4t hear it,or the band is happy while the audience is getting k=
illed;-)=0Athen they tell you to turn it down and you wonder why you broke =
your back to carry your beauty,is almost like asking a drummer to rock out =
hard with electric drums turned down to 2;-)=0A=0Aand this is still my ques=
t,should i still haul my amps for my own satisfaction,or should i settle fo=
r a modeler that might not give me that "Thump" but will sound awesome out =
front=0Aone thing is for sure,if you dont "feel it" chances are it might no=
t come out as good, and this is why i think most early guitar players had s=
uch great tones,there werent so many such concerns and didnt have too many =
choices and they had to feel it,but what they had distinctive voice!=0Adont=
 get me wrong im still waiting for that transportable magic...=0A=0Ahttp://=
www.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A F=
rom: William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>=0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-=
delight.com =0ASent: Friday, July 20, 2012 6:25 AM=0ASubject: Re: Kemper Pr=
ofilier Amp=0A =0A=0Acliff posted this clip. one half is the real amp, the =
other is the axe=0A>fx. just in case there was still any doubt about the ac=
curacy of=0A>digital models -=A0http://www.fractalaudio.com/tmp/sherbert2pl=
us.mp3=A0-=0A>it's channel 2 of the diezel herbert...an amp head that costs=
 more=0A>than the axe fx.=0A=0AOk you convinced me, I don't want to buy the=
 amp either :-) the first example =A0sounds harsher to my ear with more noi=
se floor, the second one sounds gated and slighter smoother, unfortunately =
the tones are not my aesthetic cup of tea. =A0Where I find the modeling tec=
hnology is most obviously fake sounding is in the clean to mildly overdrive=
n tones, where the harshness in the high frequencies is more noticeable, =
=A0 the kind of amps =A0that have wider dynamic range, more tactile respons=
e and are not overly gain-y and compressed like these tones are. So I give =
up, which is which? =A0i agree the sounds have vastly improved, but I still=
 think its overpriced. I think most =A0boutique amps are overpriced, but at=
 least with them you know they will hold there value and last forever.=A0=
=0Aexample: =A020 years ago I bought a vintage princeton reverb for $500 I =
got a good deal at the time but that amp can now fetch between $1500-2500, =
whereas the Pod pro I bought for around the same money might fetch $200 If =
sold used today if I'm lucky. I still have the princeton. my main amp for c=
lub work and sessions=0ABill
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>while we a=
re on the subject Bill,</span></div><div><span>The quest for me now is beli=
eve it or not and as naive as it might sound not so much studio but " amp p=
lacement onstage";-)</span></div><div><span>Im not really concern with stud=
io amp gear,i think with the amount of plugins and boxes out there you can =
get very satisfying results quickly and more efficient that spending so muc=
h money in boutique amps and hours trying to get the magical mike position<=
/span></div><div><span>This is where the Kemper and the Axe might be worth =
their money.<br></span></div><div><span>However most such discussions about=
 amps evolves on what we as guitarrist hear and feel and our quest of</span=
><span> the ultimate guitar amp magic through P.A. speakers,plus the transp=
ort factor,nowdays we have too haul P.A.s as
 well!<br></span></div><div><span>So the questions is,is there really a hug=
e difference of the sound coming out of 2 10" P.A. boxes,wether is miking y=
our amp,or through a 400.-dlls Modeler,or through an Axe FX or a Kemper amp=
?</span></div><div><span>this is the real mystery for me since the end outp=
ut is mostly all through P.A. systems and im hardly ever in front to hear i=
t the whole night<br></span></div><div><span>i wonder why they havent come =
up yet with a mixer and an integrated channel input with good amp modeling =
presets for guitarrist;-)</span></div><div><span>ive been to concerts where=
 ive seen players with their awesome classic tube amps all miked but in the=
 back of the audience they didnt sound that great to my ears really<br></sp=
an></div><div><span>ive also been right in front of the stage and thats whe=
n i can say ive enjoyed the guitar sound coming through such amps the most,=
 feeling that "thump"</span></div><div><span>ive seen concert with
 dudes using amp modelers that sounded terrible and brittle while ive seen =
others who i thought were using real vintage amps but they were using eithe=
r software or a floor modeler,better that those boutique amps miked!<br></s=
pan></div><div><span>i personally enjoy my tube amp mostly playing small cl=
ubs where the sound comes straight from its speakers without being miked.<b=
r></span></div><div><span>But as soon as we play outside or bigger venues i=
t becomes an issue,either you are blasting one of your band members while t=
he other can=B4t hear it,or the band is happy while the audience is getting=
 killed;-)</span></div><div><span>then they tell you to turn it down and yo=
u wonder why you broke your back to carry your beauty,is almost like asking=
 a drummer to rock out hard with electric drums turned down to 2;-)<br></sp=
an></div><div><span>and this is still my quest,should i still haul my amps =
for my own satisfaction,or should i settle for a modeler that might
 not give me that "Thump" but will sound awesome out front</span></div><div=
><span>one thing is for sure,if you dont "feel it" chances are it might not=
 come out as good, and this is why i think most early guitar players had su=
ch great tones,there werent so many such concerns and didnt have too many c=
hoices and they had to feel it,but what they had distinctive voice!</span><=
/div><div><span>dont get me wrong im still waiting for that transportable m=
agic...</span></div><div><span> </span></div><div>http://www.myspace.com/lu=
isangulocom<br></div>  <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york=
, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family: times new rom=
an, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font face=
=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <hr size=3D"1">  <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;=
">From:</span></b> William Walker &lt;billwalker@baymoon.com&gt;<br> <b><sp=
an style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Loopers-Delight@loopers-deli=
ght.com
 <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, July 2=
0, 2012 6:25 AM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></=
b> Re: Kemper Profilier Amp<br> </font> </div> <br><div id=3D"yiv428628360"=
><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span class=3D"yiv428628360Apple-style-span=
" style=3D"font-family:Tahoma;font-size:13px;">cliff posted this clip. one =
half is the real amp, the other is the axe</span><span class=3D"yiv42862836=
0Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family:Tahoma;font-size:13px;"><br></span>=
<span class=3D"yiv428628360Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family:Tahoma;fo=
nt-size:13px;">fx. just in case there was still any doubt about the accurac=
y of</span><span class=3D"yiv428628360Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-famil=
y:Tahoma;font-size:13px;"><br></span><span class=3D"yiv428628360Apple-style=
-span" style=3D"font-family:Tahoma;font-size:13px;">digital models -</span>=
<span class=3D"yiv428628360Apple-style-span"
 style=3D"font-family:Tahoma;font-size:13px;">&nbsp;</span><span class=3D"y=
iv428628360Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family:Tahoma;font-size:13px;"><=
a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.fractalaudio.com/tm=
p/sherbert2plus.mp3">http://www.fractalaudio.com/tmp/sherbert2plus.mp3</a><=
/span><span class=3D"yiv428628360Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family:Tah=
oma;font-size:13px;">&nbsp;</span><span class=3D"yiv428628360Apple-style-sp=
an" style=3D"font-family:Tahoma;font-size:13px;">-</span><span class=3D"yiv=
428628360Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family:Tahoma;font-size:13px;"><br=
></span><span class=3D"yiv428628360Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family:T=
ahoma;font-size:13px;">it's channel 2 of the diezel herbert...an amp head t=
hat costs more</span><span class=3D"yiv428628360Apple-style-span" style=3D"=
font-family:Tahoma;font-size:13px;"><br></span><span class=3D"yiv428628360A=
pple-style-span" style=3D"font-family:Tahoma;font-size:13px;">than the axe
 fx.</span></blockquote><br><div>Ok you convinced me, I don't want to buy t=
he amp either :-) the first example &nbsp;sounds harsher to my ear with mor=
e noise floor, the second one sounds gated and slighter smoother, unfortuna=
tely the tones are not my aesthetic cup of tea. &nbsp;Where I find the mode=
ling technology is most obviously fake sounding is in the clean to mildly o=
verdriven tones, where the harshness in the high frequencies is more notice=
able, &nbsp; the kind of amps &nbsp;that have wider dynamic range, more tac=
tile response and are not overly gain-y and compressed like these tones are=
. So I give up, which is which? &nbsp;i agree the sounds have vastly improv=
ed, but I still think its overpriced. I think most &nbsp;boutique amps are =
overpriced, but at least with them you know they will hold there value and =
last forever.&nbsp;</div><div>example: &nbsp;20 years ago I bought a vintag=
e princeton reverb for $500 I got a good deal at the time but that
 amp can now fetch between $1500-2500, whereas the Pod pro I bought for aro=
und the same money might fetch $200 If sold used today if I'm lucky. I stil=
l have the princeton. my main amp for club work and sessions</div><div>Bill=
</div></div></div><br><br> </div> </div>  </div></body></html>
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no, this particular amp is not my taste either. the first half was the
amp, second half was the axe fx. i also agree that mildly overdriven
tones are the ones that are hardest to capture. i was trying to find a
wonderful clip that someone did of the "buttery" sim that covered
clean to breakup and sounded fantastic, but he's removed it now. i
don't think the axe fx has any problems reproducing these kind of
tones. the AC30 sim is especially lovely -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnvAxF1Zm1k&feature=channel&list=UL

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 5:25 AM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:

> Ok you convinced me, I don't want to buy the amp either :-) the first
> example  sounds harsher to my ear with more noise floor, the second one
> sounds gated and slighter smoother, unfortunately the tones are not my
> aesthetic cup of tea.  Where I find the modeling technology is most
> obviously fake sounding is in the clean to mildly overdriven tones, where
> the harshness in the high frequencies is more noticeable,   the kind of amps
> that have wider dynamic range, more tactile response and are not overly
> gain-y and compressed like these tones are. So I give up, which is which?

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bill said - "why does sounding good have to equate with a bunch of
parameters that have very subtle effect, and a huge assortment of
options?  I'm saying that if you only use 1/4 of what's available in a
device it doesn't strike me as a particularly good value"

and

"This is a personal short coming of mine. given a  box of crayons  i
might actually draw a nice picture, given the ultimate crayon box with
every color they make, I might  spend the day trying out every crayon
and wondering where the time went. "


so would you describe the ultimate box of crayons as "poor value"?
would you also criticise the crayon makers for putting in too many
colours? would you say - "hey i don't need all these shades of
orange...just give me one orange and i'll be happy". what about those
wonderful artists who have made amazing pictures with the super box of
crayons...utilising every colour at their disposal to make beautiful
pictures? i'm sure someone drawing a sunset would appreciate a large
number of orange crayons.

i don't get it. you freely admit you have a problem with choice
anxiety and yet you say things with "too many" choices are poor value.
i think what you mean is, they have poor value to you. that's fine.
the axe fx is obviously not for you. you don't like choice and i don't
have a problem with that. but to say the axe fx is at fault for having
too much choice sounds like displacement.

and sounding great on the axe fx has absolutely nothing to do with the
number of parameters available. you don't have to tweak them to get a
great sound. all cliff has done is expose the inner workings of the
amp to the user. the user can then modify (just like many people have
done in the past with real amps) those parameters if they wish. leave
everything at default and just tweak the gain, bass, middle, treble,
pres and master if you wish....after all that's what 99.9% would do
with a real amp and i suspect that's what most people do with the axe
fx as well.

also the number of times i hear people moan about the axe fx only to
discover they haven't read the manual....if i had a penny...! :O)

respectfully,

sim

ps - one important thing to remember. as valve amp users, we get very
familiar with the response of amplifiers in relation to their volume,
so it's very important to set up the axe at the appropriate volume
level. if you're playing through a marshall plexi sim with the master
on 9, then listening to it at bedroom volume is going to give you a
very "unrealistic" experience. whack up the volume to a more
"appropriate" level and things will suddenly start to gel in a way
that your experience tells you is natural.

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Luis Angulo <louie.angulo@yahoo.com> wrote:
(20/07/2012 09:17)


> i wonder why they havent come up yet with a mixer and an integrated channel input with good amp modeling presets for guitarrist;-)
almost there: 
http://line6.com/stagescape-m20d/


Ben (who badly plays guitar on a fender mustang I modelled amp)

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I'll jump in, since I am also in the 'I don't like too many options' camp.
What I mean is definitely 'poor value to me'. Axe-FX and similar tools are
great pieces of technology and they open up tons of possibilities for
talented artists who like to explore these possibilities. It's simply a
matter of preferred workflow - some like to have many tools available
(ultimate box of crayons) others like to limit themselves (paint with three
crayons, a Telecaster into a Twin).

I still see value in having the options at hand, which is why I put the
Line6 M5 on my board (to have access to a reverse delay, for instance), but
something reasonably simple suits me better. And I am still probably more
hi-tech than most guitarists out there, with my pedalboard of AMT preamps,
M5, drives, fuzzes, and the LP2.

I think what it boils down to for me is not liking patches - I like to
'see' my sound-making devices and be able to tweak them with real knobs,
but I definitely see the value in being able to create complex sounds and
being able to recall them at will.
On 20 July 2012 11:54, Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:

> bill said - "why does sounding good have to equate with a bunch of
> parameters that have very subtle effect, and a huge assortment of
> options?  I'm saying that if you only use 1/4 of what's available in a
> device it doesn't strike me as a particularly good value"
>
> and
>
> "This is a personal short coming of mine. given a  box of crayons  i
> might actually draw a nice picture, given the ultimate crayon box with
> every color they make, I might  spend the day trying out every crayon
> and wondering where the time went. "
>
>
> so would you describe the ultimate box of crayons as "poor value"?
> would you also criticise the crayon makers for putting in too many
> colours? would you say - "hey i don't need all these shades of
> orange...just give me one orange and i'll be happy". what about those
> wonderful artists who have made amazing pictures with the super box of
> crayons...utilising every colour at their disposal to make beautiful
> pictures? i'm sure someone drawing a sunset would appreciate a large
> number of orange crayons.
>
> i don't get it. you freely admit you have a problem with choice
> anxiety and yet you say things with "too many" choices are poor value.
> i think what you mean is, they have poor value to you. that's fine.
> the axe fx is obviously not for you. you don't like choice and i don't
> have a problem with that. but to say the axe fx is at fault for having
> too much choice sounds like displacement.
>
> and sounding great on the axe fx has absolutely nothing to do with the
> number of parameters available. you don't have to tweak them to get a
> great sound. all cliff has done is expose the inner workings of the
> amp to the user. the user can then modify (just like many people have
> done in the past with real amps) those parameters if they wish. leave
> everything at default and just tweak the gain, bass, middle, treble,
> pres and master if you wish....after all that's what 99.9% would do
> with a real amp and i suspect that's what most people do with the axe
> fx as well.
>
> also the number of times i hear people moan about the axe fx only to
> discover they haven't read the manual....if i had a penny...! :O)
>
> respectfully,
>
> sim
>
> ps - one important thing to remember. as valve amp users, we get very
> familiar with the response of amplifiers in relation to their volume,
> so it's very important to set up the axe at the appropriate volume
> level. if you're playing through a marshall plexi sim with the master
> on 9, then listening to it at bedroom volume is going to give you a
> very "unrealistic" experience. whack up the volume to a more
> "appropriate" level and things will suddenly start to gel in a way
> that your experience tells you is natural.
>
>

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<div>I&#39;ll jump in, since I am also=A0in the &#39;I don&#39;t like too m=
any options&#39; camp. What I mean is definitely &#39;poor value to me&#39;=
. Axe-FX and similar tools are great pieces of technology and they open up =
tons of possibilities for talented artists who like to explore these possib=
ilities. It&#39;s simply a matter of preferred workflow - some like to have=
 many tools available (ultimate box of crayons) others like to limit themse=
lves (paint with three crayons, a Telecaster into a Twin). </div>
<div>=A0</div><div>I still see value in having the options at hand, which i=
s why I put the Line6 M5 on my board (to have access to a reverse delay, fo=
r instance), but something reasonably simple suits me better. And I am stil=
l probably more hi-tech than most guitarists out there, with my pedalboard =
of=A0AMT preamps, M5, drives, fuzzes, and the LP2. </div>
<div>=A0</div><div>I think what it boils down to for me=A0is not liking pat=
ches - I like to &#39;see&#39; my sound-making devices and be able to tweak=
 them with real=A0knobs, but I definitely see the value in being able to cr=
eate complex sounds and being able to recall them at will. <br>
</div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 20 July 2012 11:54, Simeon Harris <span=
 dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:simeonharris40@googlemail.com" target=3D=
"_blank">simeonharris40@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote=
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04,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class=3D"gmail_q=
uote">
bill said - &quot;why does sounding good have to equate with a bunch of<br>
<div class=3D"im">parameters that have very subtle effect, and a huge assor=
tment of<br>
options? =A0I&#39;m saying that if you only use 1/4 of what&#39;s available=
 in a<br>
device it doesn&#39;t strike me as a particularly good value&quot;<br>
<br>
</div>and<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
&quot;This is a personal short coming of mine. given a =A0box of crayons =
=A0i<br>
might actually draw a nice picture, given the ultimate crayon box with<br>
every color they make, I might =A0spend the day trying out every crayon<br>
and wondering where the time went. &quot;<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>so would you describe the ultimate box of crayons as &quot;poor value=
&quot;?<br>
would you also criticise the crayon makers for putting in too many<br>
colours? would you say - &quot;hey i don&#39;t need all these shades of<br>
orange...just give me one orange and i&#39;ll be happy&quot;. what about th=
ose<br>
wonderful artists who have made amazing pictures with the super box of<br>
crayons...utilising every colour at their disposal to make beautiful<br>
pictures? i&#39;m sure someone drawing a sunset would appreciate a large<br=
>
number of orange crayons.<br>
<br>
i don&#39;t get it. you freely admit you have a problem with choice<br>
anxiety and yet you say things with &quot;too many&quot; choices are poor v=
alue.<br>
i think what you mean is, they have poor value to you. that&#39;s fine.<br>
the axe fx is obviously not for you. you don&#39;t like choice and i don&#3=
9;t<br>
have a problem with that. but to say the axe fx is at fault for having<br>
too much choice sounds like displacement.<br>
<br>
and sounding great on the axe fx has absolutely nothing to do with the<br>
number of parameters available. you don&#39;t have to tweak them to get a<b=
r>
great sound. all cliff has done is expose the inner workings of the<br>
amp to the user. the user can then modify (just like many people have<br>
done in the past with real amps) those parameters if they wish. leave<br>
everything at default and just tweak the gain, bass, middle, treble,<br>
pres and master if you wish....after all that&#39;s what 99.9% would do<br>
with a real amp and i suspect that&#39;s what most people do with the axe<b=
r>
fx as well.<br>
<br>
also the number of times i hear people moan about the axe fx only to<br>
discover they haven&#39;t read the manual....if i had a penny...! :O)<br>
<br>
respectfully,<br>
<br>
sim<br>
<br>
ps - one important thing to remember. as valve amp users, we get very<br>
familiar with the response of amplifiers in relation to their volume,<br>
so it&#39;s very important to set up the axe at the appropriate volume<br>
level. if you&#39;re playing through a marshall plexi sim with the master<b=
r>
on 9, then listening to it at bedroom volume is going to give you a<br>
very &quot;unrealistic&quot; experience. whack up the volume to a more<br>
&quot;appropriate&quot; level and things will suddenly start to gel in a wa=
y<br>
that your experience tells you is natural.<br>
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ppps bill, I'd be happy to offer any help and advice I can. I can send you s=
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I'm downloading the demo as soon as I get home.

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/spectralayerspro

"VST effects can be applied to individual layers. SpectraLayers Pro
can also pass whole layers, and even bandwidth-limited selections from
within layers, directly to other dedicated audio editing programs like
Sound Forge Pro."

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Looks cool.

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

> Date: Fri=2C 20 Jul 2012 09:21:50 -0400
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> I'm downloading the demo as soon as I get home.
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> http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/spectralayerspro
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> "VST effects can be applied to individual layers. SpectraLayers Pro
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pppps bill - check what firmware your axe fx is on by hitting the
utility button on the front panel and paging right. it should be on
6.02. if it's on 5.04, you should definitely upgrade, because that
particular firmware was a bit harsh sounding....

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>
> Sim

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If the Installer ever gets done "initializing"  I might get to give it
a test run (I hate badly implemented Mac versions of Windows software
=85)

Best to all,

Dennis

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> Looks cool.
>
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> Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk
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>> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:21:50 -0400
>> Subject: OT: Sony's SpectraLayer
>> From: sylvain.trombone@gmail.com
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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>>
>> I'm downloading the demo as soon as I get home.
>>
>> http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/spectralayerspro
>>
>> "VST effects can be applied to individual layers. SpectraLayers Pro
>> can also pass whole layers, and even bandwidth-limited selections from
>> within layers, directly to other dedicated audio editing programs like
>> Sound Forge Pro."
>>
>> Sylvain
>>

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> http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/spectralayerspro


Looking forward to hear what you guys think about this new app :-)
Especially if it supports the AU protocol on Mac, since that was
unclear in the web page presentation.

I did not download since I think it would be faster for me to perform
certain processing in Logic than export a file to open it in
SpectralLayers. Didn't see any new DSP functionality, but the graphics
look good. One function I need, audio CD mastering, was lacking in
this app. In the past I have done that in SoundForge on Windows and in
WaveBurner on Mac, but now since SF is Win only and WB discontinued I
have looked around for a Mac sample editor supporting audio CD
mastering and found the Italian DSP-Quattro for a fraction of the
price Sony is selling SpectralLayers for. http://www.dsp-quattro.com/

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen

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And for the mute function and the pause function?They would be so cool!

From: buddhamachine@live.co.uk
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Just had an email from Mike Nelson of Boomerang. Apparently MIDI sync is wo=
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instant stack mode though :-(

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co..uk

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I didn't mention these but you might want to contact him if you like..
G

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

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And for the mute function and the pause function?They would be so cool!

From: buddhamachine@live.co.uk
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Hi everyone,

I'm not sure if that mailing-list is not the correct place to post such a
request... If it's a wrong place tell me! (or suggest me another
ML/forum/whatever...)

Now if it's an acceptable place, let me introduce myself: I'm a musician,
music producer "apprentice" (already ran a music label in the past), and
working on a new project of album recording (rock/pop/alternative style).

Problem 1: I'm blocked by the drums for recording. I can play basic drums,
but recording professionnal drums, especially when working most of the time
alone in my studio, is a nightmare.
I've tried different ways for recording them, but there is something in the
instrument interactions that is "not working" in the rythm part (a small
speed increase followed by a small speed decrease to recover the tempo
"click" is often very audible). I guess I'm just not good enough at drums,
even if I have my style and ideas, and I'm not sure I want to practise many
more years to reach the good level for drums recording ;)

Problem 2: I hate programming rythm boxes :) It's a nightmare for me. I own
one (MC-505 with a dying display....), I used to own otherl ones, and even
have virtual ones on the iPhone/iPad (BeatMaker, iDrum...), but...  I mean:
setting up a few loops is OK but I need more complexity in the drums parts,
and that's a lot of work...

Then..... I had a dream ;) If I could find a rythm partnerfor recording
(you know, in the old world, you had a drummer in a band...), that would
liberate me totally to focus on my songs, not the drums...

If you are reading this message and know well about drum machines and love
to program them, please tell me!! Or you can forward to a friend who would
be interested...

I have ten songs to record ;) We can think about any cooperation, even paid
(yeah) and with Internet it can be very easy to exchange files and so on...

Well, that's a kind of "message in a bottle", any help will be thanked
until the end of times, and sorry again if I'm polluting this mailing-list!

Ga=EBl.

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Hi everyone,<br><br>I&#39;m not sure if that mailing-list is not the correc=
t place to post such a request... If it&#39;s a wrong place tell me! (or su=
ggest me another ML/forum/whatever...)<br><br>Now if it&#39;s an acceptable=
 place, let me introduce myself: I&#39;m a musician, music producer &quot;a=
pprentice&quot; (already ran a music label in the past), and working on a n=
ew project of album recording (rock/pop/alternative style).<br>
<br>Problem 1: I&#39;m blocked by the drums for recording. I can play basic=
 drums, but recording professionnal drums, especially when working most of =
the time alone in my studio, is a nightmare.<br>I&#39;ve tried different wa=
ys for recording them, but there is something in the instrument interaction=
s that is &quot;not working&quot; in the rythm part (a small speed increase=
 followed by a small speed decrease to recover the tempo &quot;click&quot; =
is often very audible). I guess I&#39;m just not good enough at drums, even=
 if I have my style and ideas, and I&#39;m not sure I want to practise many=
 more years to reach the good level for drums recording ;)<br>
<br>Problem 2: I hate programming rythm boxes :) It&#39;s a nightmare for m=
e. I own one (MC-505 with a dying display....), I used to own otherl ones, =
and even have virtual ones on the iPhone/iPad (BeatMaker, iDrum...), but...=
=A0 I mean: setting up a few loops is OK but I need more complexity in the =
drums parts, and that&#39;s a lot of work...<br>
<br>Then..... I had a dream ;) If I could find a rythm partnerfor recording=
=A0 (you know, in the old world, you had a drummer in a band...), that woul=
d liberate me totally to focus on my songs, not the drums... <br><br>If you=
 are reading this message and know well about drum machines and love to pro=
gram them, please tell me!! Or you can forward to a friend who would be int=
erested...<br>
<br>I have ten songs to record ;) We can think about any cooperation, even =
paid (yeah) and with Internet it can be very easy to exchange files and so =
on...<br><br>Well, that&#39;s a kind of &quot;message in a bottle&quot;, an=
y help will be thanked until the end of times, and sorry again if I&#39;m p=
olluting this mailing-list!<br>
<br>Ga=EBl.<br>

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Because I use a mic and not guitar, it is easy to clip the Rang post Sans
amp.  This way, I can eq the loops if need be and boost the level befor
hitting my QSC K10.

I bought Loopy HD, but noticed it mutes the loops while recording a new
loop.  I also don't like that you have to chhose the multiplier whereas the
Rang let's you do that without multiple restriction.

I love the idea of sending my on input in and then being able to split it
to new tracks...this makes me want to record with it.

Sent from my phone,

Mike
On Jul 20, 2012 9:28 AM, "michael klobuchar" <nemoguitt@aol.com> wrote:

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<p>Because I use a mic and not guitar, it is easy to clip the Rang post San=
s amp.=A0 This way, I can eq the loops if need be and boost the level befor=
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<p>I bought Loopy HD, but noticed it mutes the loops while recording a new =
loop.=A0 I also don&#39;t like that you have to chhose the multiplier where=
as the Rang let&#39;s you do that without multiple restriction.</p>
<p>I love the idea of sending my on input in and then being able to split i=
t to new tracks...this makes me want to record with it.</p>
<p>Sent from my phone,</p>
<p>Mike</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jul 20, 2012 9:28 AM, &quot;michael klobuchar=
&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nemoguitt@aol.com">nemoguitt@aol.com</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
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<font>mike.....interesting placement of the SANS AMP.....what&#39;s your re=
asoning?</font><br>
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hi Ga=EBl

have a listen to some of my drum programming here -
http://simeonharris.bandcamp.com/track/the-space-between-breaths - and
here - (kit drums start at 3 mins in) -
http://simeonharris.bandcamp.com/track/here-and-now - these are two
examples of purely programmed drums that are supposed to sound like a
real drummer. i also use loops and samples to construct more
electronic sounding stuff, like in this example -
http://simeonharris.bandcamp.com/track/escape

i'd be interested in creating drum parts for all ten of your tunes,
but i would consider it paid work

get in touch off list if you're interested at simeon AT simeonharris
DOT co DOT uk

sim

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Ga=EBl D. <luneprod@gmail.com> wrote:

> Then..... I had a dream ;) If I could find a rythm partnerfor recording
> (you know, in the old world, you had a drummer in a band...), that would
> liberate me totally to focus on my songs, not the drums...

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Luis, live sound has always been a problem and probably all ways will =20=

be. my personal solution is using lower wattage amps 12 or 22 =20
depending on which fender I bring and my vox if I have room for a =20
stereo rig. I use speaker cab DI's would good speaker simulation =20
rather than mics which always run the danger of phase cancellation =20
bleed and the like. I always put my amps on tripod speaker stands =20
facing up and at me, That way i never get an artificial sense of what =20=

my treble is doing by being off axis, and it means the sound guy isn't =20=

having to turn down the treble on his mixer. BTW Sound guys love me.
  Sim, I think you are over reacting a bit, and I don't really think =20
you understand where I'm coming from. of course when one rambles like =20=

I do its easy to happen.I like choices just like everybody else but i =20=

also like to be a master of those choices. The Crayon analogy was =20
about the fact that we as humans are so manipulated by marketing that =20=

we believe what advertisers tell us that some how are lives will be =20
less complete without all those extra crayons. We as musicians  are =20
driven by the desire to be the first one on the block to own the new =20
toys and I'm sorry to say, but that is a drive created by our own =20
insecurities and ego. We all want that edge. But i have come to a =20
personal place where I have to think long and hard before making a =20
purchase of that magnitude, and more and more I'm trying to curb my =20
GAS tendencies and tame my gear addictions. I can't say I'm cured, but =20=

at this point I'd rather spend money if I have it on instruments or a =20=

new lap top I desperately need. Do you know how much will power its =20
taken for me to not go in to further debt so I can buy a moog lap =20
steel?  And as far as marketing goes, every name guitarist you see in =20=

those ads for AXE FX probably was given one for free in exchange for =20
promotion, so of course they are all going to say its the greatest =20
thing since sliced bread.  I've been guilty of that on the occasion =20
I've gotten free gear.

"guitar legend and acclaimed=93texturalist=94, David Torn, plays and =
loves =20
the Kemper"

I'd probably be happy as a little girl if one arrived in my mail box =20
as well.
I'm naturally a sceptic so those kinds of ads I take with plenty of =20
salt. My overall point about the axe fx is it has way more choices =20
than I'll every use, so yes  it does not seem a very good value fto =20
me. You've seen the videos I've posted, all live and all direct, do I =20=

seem like I I'm having problems with tone or sound design? To me these =20=

are all secondary issues to the actual notes and compositions which is =20=

where my focus lies.  The bottom line is my gear is working fine and I =20=

don't see a need to overhaul it and if i did I might take another look =20=

at something like this. Thanks for the offer of help, Sim, I haven't =20
been avoiding the manual, I just like to see how far I can go without =20=

one. And I believe its only a matter of time before someone unveils a =20=

more modular approach to this type of product, where one actually can =20=

pick and choose what they want in the way of amps effects and speaker =20=

cabinets rather than being subjected to what the manufacturer wants to =20=

sell you.  You create lovely music using the AXE FX, Simeon, but that =20=

was happening before you got it as well. It works for you and takes =20
care of cartage and travel issue and it sounds good. Don't let my =20
skepticism based on my own musical needs and economic realities fog =20
your party goggles. My opinion is just my opinion , nothing more. I =20
prefer using gear that is easy to tweak on the fly, and back when I =20
was using modeling I always faced the problem of having presets I =20
designed in my home studio, sounding less than stellar when playing =20
live in a completely different acoustic environment and I found paging =20=

through menus to tweak eq, not very practical during the course of a =20
performance. If you recall I did say the AXE FX sounds way better than =20=

earlier technologies, but that doesn't mean I need or want to spend =20
$2200.00 to affirm that statement.
  Bill
 =20=

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<html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Luis, live sound has always =
been a problem and probably all ways will be. my personal solution is =
using lower wattage amps 12 or 22 depending on which fender I bring and =
my vox if I have room for a stereo rig. I use speaker cab DI's would =
good speaker simulation rather than mics which always run the danger of =
phase cancellation bleed and the like. I always put my amps on tripod =
speaker stands facing up and at me, That way i never get an artificial =
sense of what my treble is doing by being off axis, and it means the =
sound guy isn't having to turn down the treble on his mixer. BTW Sound =
guys love me.<div>&nbsp;Sim, I think you are over reacting a bit, and I =
don't really think you understand where I'm coming from. of course when =
one rambles like I do its easy to happen.I like choices just like =
everybody else but i also like to be a master of those choices. The =
Crayon analogy was about the fact that we as humans are so manipulated =
by marketing that we believe what advertisers tell us that some how are =
lives will be less complete without all those extra crayons. We as =
musicians &nbsp;are driven by the desire to be the first one on the =
block to own the new toys and I'm sorry to say, but that is a drive =
created by our own insecurities and ego. We all want that edge. But i =
have come to a personal place where I have to think long and hard before =
making a purchase of that magnitude, and more and more I'm trying to =
curb my GAS tendencies and tame my gear addictions. I can't say I'm =
cured, but at this point I'd rather spend money if I have it on =
instruments or a new lap top I desperately need. Do you know how much =
will power its taken for me to not go in to further debt so I can buy a =
moog lap steel? &nbsp;And as far as marketing goes, every name guitarist =
you see in those ads for AXE FX probably was given one for free in =
exchange for promotion, so of course they are all going to say its the =
greatest thing since sliced bread. &nbsp;I've been guilty of that on the =
occasion I've gotten free gear.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13px; ">"guitar legend and acclaimed</span><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: =
13px; ">=93texturalist=94, David Torn, plays and loves the =
Kemper"</span><div><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Tahoma"><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: =
13px;"><br></span></font><div>I'd probably be happy as a little girl if =
one arrived in my mail box as well.</div><div>I'm naturally a sceptic so =
those kinds of ads I take with plenty of salt. My overall point about =
the axe fx is it has way more choices than I'll every use, so yes =
&nbsp;it does not seem a very good value fto me. You've seen the videos =
I've posted, all live and all direct, do I seem like I I'm having =
problems with tone or sound design? To me these are all secondary issues =
to the actual notes and compositions which is where my focus lies. =
&nbsp;The bottom line is my gear is working fine and I don't see a need =
to overhaul it and if i did I might take another look at something like =
this. Thanks for the offer of help, Sim, I haven't been avoiding the =
manual, I just like to see how far I can go without one. And I believe =
its only a matter of time before someone unveils a more modular approach =
to this type of product, where one actually can pick and choose what =
they want in the way of amps effects and speaker cabinets rather than =
being subjected to what the manufacturer wants to sell you. &nbsp;You =
create lovely music using the AXE FX, Simeon, but that was happening =
before you got it as well. It works for you and takes care of cartage =
and travel issue and it sounds good. Don't let my skepticism based on my =
own musical needs and economic realities fog your party goggles. My =
opinion is just my opinion , nothing more. I prefer using gear that is =
easy to tweak on the fly, and back when I was using modeling I always =
faced the problem of having presets I designed in my home studio, =
sounding less than stellar when playing live in a completely different =
acoustic environment and I found paging through menus to tweak eq, not =
very practical during the course of a performance. If you recall I did =
say the AXE FX sounds way better than earlier technologies, but that =
doesn't mean I need or want to spend $2200.00 to affirm that =
statement.</div></div><div>&nbsp;Bill</div><div>&nbsp;</div></body></html>=

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yes bill, i was probably overreacting and i apologise if you felt my
responses were disrespectful in any way. that wasn't my intention and
you must know i have an enormous amount of respect for you and your
music. it's just that i've seen it time and time again - someone gets
hold of a complicated bit of gear...spends a couple of days fooling
with it and then comes to the conclusion that it's no good because
they can't get what they want out of it right away. now i'm not
lumping you in with those guys, but i reacted as if you were one of
those guys and as an unabashed axe-lover i can get a bit defensive
sometimes!
the offer of help still stands...so if you feel your learning curve
might be shortened a bit with some advice, then i'd be happy to try
and offer some.

sim

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>  Sim, I think you are over reacting a bit, and I don't really think you
> understand where I'm coming from.

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OK, Bill, you have made me think I need to buy that Reverbojet that a frien=
d of mine is waving under my nose. :-)

Most of my mostly-looping CD "Steam-Powered Mars Lander" was done with my 1=
968 Vox Nova 1x8 combo. I adore that amp, which, at 15 watts, is actually t=
oo loud for some venues. Probably the best-sounding solid-state amp ever, m=
aybe due to its having an output transformer.=20



Tim Mungenast
Editor/Writer/Proofreader: www.linkedin.com/in/timmungenast
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--- On Fri, 7/20/12, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:

From: William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>
Subject: Re: Kemper Profilier Amp
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Friday, July 20, 2012, 12:25 AM

cliff posted this clip. one half is the real amp, the other is the axe
fx. just in case there was still any doubt about the accuracy of
digital models -=A0http://www.fractalaudio.com/tmp/sherbert2plus.mp3=A0-
it's channel 2 of the diezel herbert...an amp head that costs more
than the axe fx.
Ok you convinced me, I don't want to buy the amp either :-) the first examp=
le =A0sounds harsher to my ear with more noise floor, the second one sounds=
 gated and slighter smoother, unfortunately the tones are not my aesthetic =
cup of tea. =A0Where I find the modeling technology is most obviously fake =
sounding is in the clean to mildly overdriven tones, where the harshness in=
 the high frequencies is more noticeable, =A0 the kind of amps =A0that have=
 wider dynamic range, more tactile response and are not overly gain-y and c=
ompressed like these tones are. So I give up, which is which? =A0i agree th=
e sounds have vastly improved, but I still think its overpriced. I think mo=
st =A0boutique amps are overpriced, but at least with them you know they wi=
ll hold there value and last forever.=A0example: =A020 years ago I bought a=
 vintage princeton reverb for $500 I got a good deal at the time but that a=
mp can now fetch between $1500-2500, whereas the Pod pro I bought for aroun=
d
 the same money might fetch $200 If sold used today if I'm lucky. I still h=
ave the princeton. my main amp for club work and sessionsBill
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top" style=3D"font: inherit;">OK, Bill, you have made me think I need to bu=
y that Reverbojet that a friend of mine is waving under my nose. :-)<br><br=
>Most of my mostly-looping CD "Steam-Powered Mars Lander" was done with my =
1968 Vox Nova 1x8 combo. I adore that amp, which, at 15 watts, is actually =
too loud for some venues. Probably the best-sounding solid-state amp ever, =
maybe due to its having an output transformer. <br><br><br><br><span style=
=3D"font-weight: bold; font-family: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;">Tim Mung=
enast</span><br><span style=3D"font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); fo=
nt-family: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;">Editor/Writer/Proofreader:</span>=
<span style=3D"font-weight: bold;"></span> <span style=3D"font-family: verd=
ana,helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: italic;">www.linkedin.com/in/timmunge=
nast</span><br style=3D"font-family: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;"><span
 style=3D"font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: verdana,he=
lvetica,sans-serif;">Guitarist/Composer/Vocalist:</span> <span style=3D"fon=
t-family: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif; font-style: italic;">www.reverbnati=
on.com/timmungenast</span><br><br>--- On <b>Fri, 7/20/12, William Walker <i=
>&lt;billwalker@baymoon.com&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style=3D"bord=
er-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">=
<br>From: William Walker &lt;billwalker@baymoon.com&gt;<br>Subject: Re: Kem=
per Profilier Amp<br>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br>Date: Frida=
y, July 20, 2012, 12:25 AM<br><br><div id=3D"yiv996208697"><div><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite"><span class=3D"yiv996208697Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-f=
amily: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;">cliff posted this clip. one half is the re=
al amp, the other is the axe</span><span class=3D"yiv996208697Apple-style-s=
pan" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;"><br></span><span
 class=3D"yiv996208697Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-=
size: 13px;">fx. just in case there was still any doubt about the accuracy =
of</span><span class=3D"yiv996208697Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family:=
 Tahoma; font-size: 13px;"><br></span><span class=3D"yiv996208697Apple-styl=
e-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;">digital models -</s=
pan><span class=3D"yiv996208697Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Taho=
ma; font-size: 13px;">&nbsp;</span><span class=3D"yiv996208697Apple-style-s=
pan" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;"><a rel=3D"nofollow" ta=
rget=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.fractalaudio.com/tmp/sherbert2plus.mp3">=
http://www.fractalaudio.com/tmp/sherbert2plus.mp3</a></span><span class=3D"=
yiv996208697Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px=
;">&nbsp;</span><span class=3D"yiv996208697Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-=
family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;">-</span><span class=3D"yiv996208697Apple-=
style-span"
 style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;"><br></span><span class=3D"=
yiv996208697Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px=
;">it's channel 2 of the diezel herbert...an amp head that costs more</span=
><span class=3D"yiv996208697Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Tahoma;=
 font-size: 13px;"><br></span><span class=3D"yiv996208697Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;">than the axe fx.</span></bl=
ockquote><br><div>Ok you convinced me, I don't want to buy the amp either :=
-) the first example &nbsp;sounds harsher to my ear with more noise floor, =
the second one sounds gated and slighter smoother, unfortunately the tones =
are not my aesthetic cup of tea. &nbsp;Where I find the modeling technology=
 is most obviously fake sounding is in the clean to mildly overdriven tones=
, where the harshness in the high frequencies is more noticeable, &nbsp; th=
e kind of amps &nbsp;that have wider dynamic range, more tactile response a=
nd are
 not overly gain-y and compressed like these tones are. So I give up, which=
 is which? &nbsp;i agree the sounds have vastly improved, but I still think=
 its overpriced. I think most &nbsp;boutique amps are overpriced, but at le=
ast with them you know they will hold there value and last forever.&nbsp;</=
div><div>example: &nbsp;20 years ago I bought a vintage princeton reverb fo=
r $500 I got a good deal at the time but that amp can now fetch between $15=
00-2500, whereas the Pod pro I bought for around the same money might fetch=
 $200 If sold used today if I'm lucky. I still have the princeton. my main =
amp for club work and sessions</div><div>Bill</div></div></div></blockquote=
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A fascinating debate.  I've been ogling the AXE FX for a while now.  The =
simplicity of transport/cartage is very compelling - esp when you fly to =
gigs and are at the mercy of backline, which can be extremely hit or =
miss - often disastrous & painful if you love tone.=20
I've heard (if I recall right) your stuff on the AXE FX site, Simeon, =
and liked it a lot. Of course, I've also heard Bill's stuff and like it =
a lot.=20
And I don't really like a whole lot these days. I enjoy a lot, but =
really like very little.  Old, jaded, probably millions of hours of =
music have danced thru these old ears.
Bill's point about the value decline of digital stuff drives me crazy.  =
That's why I'm more inclined to buy amps and fine guitars.  I've spent =
many many tens of thousands of bucks on digital stuff - big Pro Tools =
rigs and the plugins etc.  It's incredibly depressing to spend $25K on =
something that's worth MAYBE 8K five to eight years later.  It pays for =
itself always, but just bugs me.  The digital world is a capitalist's =
wet dream.=20

Sound should always come first, so I take these losses to keep the work =
and creative juices flowing.  But when it comes to guitars and amps, the =
old school in me tends to dominate, given ALL the considerations.
If I start touring a lot more, I will most definitely get an AXE FX.  =
It's a no brainer.

As far as colors and choices - great art can be done with pencil and =
paper (Tele and Vibrolux) or the entire rainbow of colors and technique =
(monster pedal boards, tweaked synth guitars).  It's all in the =
imagination.  Imagination comes first, middle and last when it comes to =
art.  The rest is just the lifeless wooden board, brushes and gooey oils =
we use to translate our imaginations into the ears and eyes of the =
appreciative.

We are artists!  It's semi pointless to debate our mediums.  But I do =
enjoy the debates.

richard sales
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www.hayleysales.com
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On Jul 20, 2012, at 4:34 AM, Simeon Harris wrote:

> ppps bill, I'd be happy to offer any help and advice I can. I can send =
you some patches, or talk you through dual amp layouts etc. Just send me =
a pm.=20
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">A =
fascinating debate. &nbsp;I've been ogling the AXE FX for a while now. =
&nbsp;The simplicity of transport/cartage is very compelling - esp when =
you fly to gigs and are at the mercy of backline, which can be extremely =
hit or miss - often disastrous &amp; painful if you love =
tone.&nbsp;<div>I've heard (if I recall right) your stuff on the AXE FX =
site, Simeon, and liked it a lot. Of course, I've also heard Bill's =
stuff and like it a lot.&nbsp;<div>And I don't really like a whole lot =
these days. I enjoy a lot, but really like very little. &nbsp;Old, =
jaded, probably millions of hours of music have danced thru these old =
ears.</div><div>Bill's point about the value decline of digital stuff =
drives me crazy. &nbsp;That's why I'm more inclined to buy amps and fine =
guitars. &nbsp;I've spent many many tens of thousands of bucks on =
digital stuff - big Pro Tools rigs and the plugins etc. &nbsp;It's =
incredibly depressing to spend $25K on something that's worth MAYBE 8K =
five to eight years later. &nbsp;It pays for itself always, but just =
bugs me. &nbsp;The digital world is a capitalist's wet =
dream.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Sound should always come first, so =
I take these losses to keep the work and creative juices flowing. =
&nbsp;But when it comes to guitars and amps, the old school in me tends =
to dominate, given ALL the considerations.</div><div>If I start touring =
a lot more, I will most definitely get an AXE FX. &nbsp;It's a no =
brainer.</div><div><br></div><div>As far as colors and choices - great =
art can be done with pencil and paper (Tele and Vibrolux) or the entire =
rainbow of colors and technique (monster pedal boards, tweaked synth =
guitars). &nbsp;It's all in the imagination. &nbsp;Imagination comes =
first, middle and last when it comes to art. &nbsp;The rest is just the =
lifeless wooden board, brushes and gooey oils we use to translate our =
imaginations into the ears and eyes of the =
appreciative.</div><div><br></div><div>We are artists! &nbsp;It's semi =
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--- On Fri, 7/20/12, richard sales <richard@glasswing.com> wrote:

From: richard sales <richard@glasswing.com>
Subject: Re: Kemper Profilier Amp or, careful with that Axe FX, Eugene
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Friday, July 20, 2012, 1:56 PM

A fascinating debate. =A0I've been ogling the AXE FX for a while now. =A0Th=
e simplicity of transport/cartage is very compelling - esp when you fly to =
gigs and are at the mercy of backline, which can be extremely hit or miss -=
 often disastrous & painful if you love tone.=A0I've heard (if I recall rig=
ht) your stuff on the AXE FX site, Simeon, and liked it a lot. Of course, I=
've also heard Bill's stuff and like it a lot.=A0And I don't really like a =
whole lot these days. I enjoy a lot, but really like very little. =A0Old, j=
aded, probably millions of hours of music have danced thru these old ears.B=
ill's point about the value decline of digital stuff drives me crazy. =A0Th=
at's why I'm more inclined to buy amps and fine guitars. =A0I've spent many=
 many tens of thousands of bucks on digital stuff - big Pro Tools rigs and =
the plugins etc. =A0It's incredibly depressing to spend $25K on something t=
hat's worth MAYBE 8K five to eight years later. =A0It pays for itself alway=
s,
 but just bugs me. =A0The digital world is a capitalist's wet dream.=A0
Sound should always come first, so I take these losses to keep the work and=
 creative juices flowing. =A0But when it comes to guitars and amps, the old=
 school in me tends to dominate, given ALL the considerations.If I start to=
uring a lot more, I will most definitely get an AXE FX. =A0It's a no braine=
r.
As far as colors and choices - great art can be done with pencil and paper =
(Tele and Vibrolux) or the entire rainbow of colors and technique (monster =
pedal boards, tweaked synth guitars). =A0It's all in the imagination. =A0Im=
agination comes first, middle and last when it comes to art. =A0The rest is=
 just the lifeless wooden board, brushes and gooey oils we use to translate=
 our imaginations into the ears and eyes of the appreciative.
We are artists! =A0It's semi pointless to debate our mediums. =A0But I do e=
njoy the debates.
=0Arichard saleswww.glasswing.comwww.richardsales.comwww.hayleysales.comwww=
.goodnaturefarms.com









=0A=0A
On Jul 20, 2012, at 4:34 AM, Simeon Harris wrote:
ppps bill, I'd be happy to offer any help and advice I can. I can send you =
some patches, or talk you through dual amp layouts etc. Just send me a pm.=
=20

Sim


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eations, and can be admired as such.<br><br><br><br>--- On <b>Fri, 7/20/12,=
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n ogling the AXE FX for a while now. &nbsp;The simplicity of transport/cart=
age is very compelling - esp when you fly to gigs and are at the mercy of b=
ackline, which can be extremely hit or miss - often disastrous &amp; painfu=
l if you love tone.&nbsp;<div>I've heard (if I recall right) your stuff on =
the AXE
 FX site, Simeon, and liked it a lot. Of course, I've also heard Bill's stu=
ff and like it a lot.&nbsp;<div>And I don't really like a whole lot these d=
ays. I enjoy a lot, but really like very little. &nbsp;Old, jaded, probably=
 millions of hours of music have danced thru these old ears.</div><div>Bill=
's point about the value decline of digital stuff drives me crazy. &nbsp;Th=
at's why I'm more inclined to buy amps and fine guitars. &nbsp;I've spent m=
any many tens of thousands of bucks on digital stuff - big Pro Tools rigs a=
nd the plugins etc. &nbsp;It's incredibly depressing to spend $25K on somet=
hing that's worth MAYBE 8K five to eight years later. &nbsp;It pays for its=
elf always, but just bugs me. &nbsp;The digital world is a capitalist's wet=
 dream.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Sound should always come first, so I=
 take these losses to keep the work and creative juices flowing. &nbsp;But =
when it comes to guitars and amps, the old school in me tends to
 dominate, given ALL the considerations.</div><div>If I start touring a lot=
 more, I will most definitely get an AXE FX. &nbsp;It's a no brainer.</div>=
<div><br></div><div>As far as colors and choices - great art can be done wi=
th pencil and paper (Tele and Vibrolux) or the entire rainbow of colors and=
 technique (monster pedal boards, tweaked synth guitars). &nbsp;It's all in=
 the imagination. &nbsp;Imagination comes first, middle and last when it co=
mes to art. &nbsp;The rest is just the lifeless wooden board, brushes and g=
ooey oils we use to translate our imaginations into the ears and eyes of th=
e appreciative.</div><div><br></div><div>We are artists! &nbsp;It's semi po=
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Hi Simeon,

thank you very much for your answer! I'm contacting you on your private ema=
il.

Greets,
Ga=EBl

On 7/20/12, Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
> hi Ga=EBl
>
> have a listen to some of my drum programming here -
> http://simeonharris.bandcamp.com/track/the-space-between-breaths - and
> here - (kit drums start at 3 mins in) -
> http://simeonharris.bandcamp.com/track/here-and-now - these are two
> examples of purely programmed drums that are supposed to sound like a
> real drummer. i also use loops and samples to construct more
> electronic sounding stuff, like in this example -
> http://simeonharris.bandcamp.com/track/escape
>
> i'd be interested in creating drum parts for all ten of your tunes,
> but i would consider it paid work
>
> get in touch off list if you're interested at simeon AT simeonharris
> DOT co DOT uk
>
> sim
>
> On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Ga=EBl D. <luneprod@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Then..... I had a dream ;) If I could find a rythm partnerfor recording
>> (you know, in the old world, you had a drummer in a band...), that would
>> liberate me totally to focus on my songs, not the drums...
>
>

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On Jul 20, 2012, at 5:54 AM, Simeon Harris wrote:

> bill said - "why does sounding good have to equate with a bunch of
> parameters that have very subtle effect, and a huge assortment of
> options?  I'm saying that if you only use 1/4 of what's available in a
> device it doesn't strike me as a particularly good value"

I think the deep editing potential of the Axe II gives users the  
option to explore and tweak to their heart's content, if they so  
desire. But it's also very easy to get great sounding tones with very  
little editing/tweaking. If having too many options produces anxiety  
in some users, then it's easy to ignore all of those extra menus and  
parameters. I think it's pretty simple to find inspiring tones and get  
down to the business of creating music. If, on the other hand, you  
really like to explore every single parameter under the sun, the Axe  
II is a dream come true for those types. Seems to me both bases--and  
both types of end users-- are covered.

Jeff

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Nope it doesent.. yet
 thanks for listning=2C..

> Date: Thu=2C 19 Jul 2012 00:21:12 +0200
> Subject: Re: Some more looping with the Octatrack and guitar..
> From: perboysen@gmail.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=20
> Cool sounds there!
>=20
> Can the Octatrack send and receive digital audio through its USB port?
> (Contemplating the possibility to put it in a USB send/return loop to
> a Axe-FX2...)
>=20
> Greetings from Sweden
>=20
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.com
> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>=20
>=20
> On Thu=2C Jul 19=2C 2012 at 12:10 AM=2C Anders Bergdahl
> <anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > As you mght know the Elektron Octatrack is now a "proper" looper.. with=
 the
> > addition of the "Pickup machine".. here I use two track with the Pickup
> > machine and two tracks that are set to replay stuff from one of the loo=
p
> > tracks on "flex" machine=2C that means that they are triggered with the
> > sequencer and that it is possible to to more extrem playback effects.. =
(such
> > as having a melody on the sequencer).
> > A lot of effects on the two pickup machies as well=2C phaser=2C distort=
ion and
> > filters.. FUN little box this Octatrack...
> >
> > http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/91point8bpm
> >
> > (Guitar is a brand new Soloway that has a Supro lapsteel pickup... )
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ng with the Octatrack and guitar..<br>&gt=3B From: perboysen@gmail.com<br>&=
gt=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B Cool sou=
nds there!<br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B Can the Octatrack send and receive digital =
audio through its USB port?<br>&gt=3B (Contemplating the possibility to put=
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=3B Greetings from Sweden<br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B Per Boysen<br>&gt=3B www.per=
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Three looping (pickup macines) some mutilated samples pre-fixed while jammi=
ng.. but this is a pure "live" take.. all you hear is Octatrack and guitar.=
..
http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/21century-schizoid-guitar

Cheers (taking a sip of Westmalle Double)  		 	   		  =

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Three looping (pickup macines) some mutilated samples pre-fixed while jammi=
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Nice, I quite enjoyed that.

Kevin

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> Three looping (pickup macines) some mutilated samples pre-fixed while
> jamming.. but this is a pure "live" take.. all you hear is Octatrack and
> guitar...
>
> http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/21century-schizoid-guitar
>
> Cheers (taking a sip of Westmalle Double)



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Hey Sim no worries dude  and mucho respect right back at you, I am  
sometime sarcastic and that doesn't translate as well via e-mail. I  
also know what i like and my tools are working for me.  I also am  
highly charged right now because I don't like how consumerist we have   
become, perhaps more so in America than anywhere else, we are being  
consumed by our consumerism, the desire for more material things more  
cheaply has driven our manufacturing jobs off shore,and wrecked our  
economy.  That great addiction, Greed rules the day. I just read today  
that the founder of Amazon publicly stated that his goal is to drive  
all brick and mortar stores out of business and also announced next  
day shipping anywhere in the country as amazon is establishing  
warehouses in as many states as they can. This is the kind of greed  
and hubris that has been going on for far too long in our country, and  
most people can't even give a shit as long as they can get what they  
want when they want it , for the price they want to pay.  So I  
probably won't have a day job before to long, unless we can get our e  
business jump started, though oddly i still seem to be the guy my  
local "peers" want to visit and glean information from.... before they  
buy it on line at their convenience, save the tax and perhaps the  
freight and never leave their computer. because they don't get that  
taxes actually pay for things we need like good roads and good  
schools, and a safe community. so to summarize i'm pretty anti  
consumption right now, which is probably why I might have come off a  
bit inflammatory. I'm like the guy in Network, "I'm mad as hell and  
I'm not going to take it anymore"
Bill

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A new Audio Tarot Bone Throw show tonight, this one called "Birthday", 
archived for your leisurely enjoyment.
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/24130727


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THOUGHT RADIO:                       http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio
=======================================================================
My next stint on Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show,
will be Saturday, July 21 at 6 am EDT/GMT-4.  In Phase One, I will
continue the special on Sequences Electronic Music Magazine's sampler
CDs.

I host the show every other week. When I am at the helm, the show
features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an
eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive
Rock.

Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at
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That was nice!!

What was the repeating distorted metronomic rhythm sample that faded =
away at the end?

Philip=

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oman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font size=3D"2" face=
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OMG!!!!=0Athis sounds amazing,finally somebody did it,this is what I've alw=
ays been waiting for!=0Athanx for the eye opener Ben,off course,see to beli=
eve,can't wait to see how it preforms!=0A=A0=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/luisa=
ngulocom=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Ben <benoitruell=
e@yahoo.fr>=0ATo: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@lo=
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---=0ALuis Angulo <louie.angulo@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A(20/07/2012 09:17)=0A=
=0A=0A> i wonder why they havent come up yet with a mixer and an integrated=
 channel input with good amp modeling presets for guitarrist;-)=0Aalmost th=
ere: =0Ahttp://line6.com/stagescape-m20d/=0A=0A=0ABen (who badly plays guit=
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pan></div><div><span>this sounds amazing,finally somebody did it,this is wh=
at I've always been waiting for!</span></div><div><span>thanx for the eye o=
pener Ben,off course,see to believe,</span>can't wait to see how it preform=
s!</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom<br></div=
>  <div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york=
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Luis Angulo &lt;<a ymailto=3D"mailto:louie.angulo@yahoo.com" href=3D"mailto=
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12 09:17)<br><br><br>&gt; i wonder why they havent come up yet with a mixer=
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I realise this is a pretty sticky question.

But today it is my step-sons birthday, and he makes some pretty weird stuff
using Abelton Live.
for example:
http://soundcloud.com/unnskyldtrynetditt/dungeons-bass-v-1-ft-freddy
He would like to do it ... er Live, but has no lap-top, only a great big
iMac.

Unfortunately I dont have enough money to buy him a Mac Book Pro, (hell I
dont have enough for my OWN MBP, my company buys me all my computers...)
and he says he would be just as happy with a PC. But.. what...

The question is simply...
IF he has has an external sound card (I think its a NI AudioControl 1)...
AND he is using external disks for  (therofore not needing a really HUGE
hd)...
What is the minimum spec PC I would need to go for for a lap-top for pretty
standard Abelton Live use. (By that I mean playing loops, synths and
effects... but not too much recording of live instruments I imagine)
I guerss Im talking memory AND CPU?

quick response would be good, as he=B4s coming to dinner later and it would
be good to show him a sales receipt!!

M


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I realise this is a pretty sticky question.<br><br>But today it is my step-=
sons birthday, and he makes some pretty weird stuff using Abelton Live. <br=
>for example:<br><a href=3D"http://soundcloud.com/unnskyldtrynetditt/dungeo=
ns-bass-v-1-ft-freddy">http://soundcloud.com/unnskyldtrynetditt/dungeons-ba=
ss-v-1-ft-freddy</a><br>

He would like to do it ... er Live, but has no lap-top, only a great big iM=
ac.<br><br>Unfortunately I dont have enough money to buy him a Mac Book Pro=
, (hell I dont have enough for my OWN MBP, my company buys me all my comput=
ers...) and he says he would be just as happy with a PC. But.. what...<br>

<br>The question is simply... <br>IF he has has an external sound card (I t=
hink its a NI AudioControl 1)...<br>AND he is using external disks for=A0 (=
therofore not needing a really HUGE hd)...<br>What is the minimum spec PC I=
 would need to go for for a lap-top for pretty standard Abelton Live use. (=
By that I mean playing loops, synths and effects... but not too much record=
ing of live instruments I imagine)<br>

I guerss Im talking memory AND CPU?<br><br>quick response would be good, as=
 he=B4s coming to dinner later and it would be good to show him a sales rec=
eipt!! <br><br>M<br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mark francombe<br><a href=
=3D"http://www.markfrancombe.com" target=3D"_blank">www.markfrancombe.com</=
a><br>

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mark francombe schrieb:
> The question is simply...
> IF he has has an external sound card (I think its a NI AudioControl 1)...
> AND he is using external disks for (therofore not needing a really 
> HUGE hd)...
> What is the minimum spec PC I would need to go for for a lap-top for 
> pretty standard Abelton Live use. (By that I mean playing loops, 
> synths and effects... but not too much recording of live instruments I 
> imagine)
> I guerss Im talking memory AND CPU?
The stuff here http://moinlabs.bandcamp.com/album/weird-specialist was 
done on an old Pentium M (2GHz) and 1GB of RAM. My current €300 netbook 
outperforms that machine of old...of course, it was Live 4 or 5 running 
back then, and plugins selected to be CPU/memory efficient...

So as usual: "using ableton live" is rather wide a field. But if you 
know how to optimize a setup for performance, are able to play with high 
latencies and don't believe you need the latest gimmick for everything 
to make art, then really, you don't need that much power.
DPC latency however, that is what you need to be looking at, as that can 
be a showstopper...

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Thanks Rainer,

We have been diggin a bit and think we have found a solution, we have one
question.. CPU... in my days on PC it was just to look at the Mhz number...
so...
When it says i3 or i5 or i7... is i3 good enough?

I have read that cos i5 doesnt have "multi-threading" but i3 has, that
sometimes i3 is actually better... (im writing sentances I dont know what
they mean here, did I get away with it?)

M

On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Rainer Straschill <
moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote:


> So as usual: "using ableton live" is rather wide a field. But if you know
> how to optimize a setup for performance, are able to play with high
> latencies and don't believe you need the latest gimmick for everything to
> make art, then really, you don't need that much power.
> DPC latency however, that is what you need to be looking at, as that can
> be a showstopper...
>
> Rainer
>

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Thanks Rainer,<br><br>We have been diggin a bit and think we have found a s=
olution, we have one question.. CPU... in my days on PC it was just to look=
 at the Mhz number... so...<br>When it says i3 or i5 or i7... is i3 good en=
ough?<br>

<br>I have read that cos i5 doesnt have &quot;multi-threading&quot; but i3 =
has, that sometimes i3 is actually better... (im writing sentances I dont k=
now what they mean here, did I get away with it?)<br><br>M<br><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote">

On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Rainer Straschill <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:moinsound@googlemail.com" target=3D"_blank">moinsound@goog=
lemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,20=
4,204);padding-left:1ex">


So as usual: &quot;using ableton live&quot; is rather wide a field. But if =
you know how to optimize a setup for performance, are able to play with hig=
h latencies and don&#39;t believe you need the latest gimmick for everythin=
g to make art, then really, you don&#39;t need that much power.<br>


DPC latency however, that is what you need to be looking at, as that can be=
 a showstopper...<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
<br>
Rainer</font></span><br clear=3D"all"></blockquote></div><br>-- <br><i styl=
e=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(255,255,255);background-color=
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rgb(51,0,51)"><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)" href=3D"http://www.ordoabkhao=
.com/" target=3D"_blank">www.ordoabkhao.com</a><br style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,=
51)">

<a style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)" href=3D"http://vimeo.com/user825094" target=
=3D"_blank">http://vimeo.com/user825094</a><br style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)"=
><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)" href=3D"http://www.looop.no/" target=3D"_b=
lank">http://www.looop.no</a><br>

twitter @markfrancombe<br><a href=3D"http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@=
N00/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/</a><br><=
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mark francombe schrieb:
> I have read that cos i5 doesnt have "multi-threading" but i3 has, that 
> sometimes i3 is actually better... (im writing sentances I dont know 
> what they mean here, did I get away with it?)
Uhhh, this goes into a lot of depth. I believe you mean hyperthreading, 
which is (in a very basic simplification) to have a second set of 
peripheral registers for every core, so you can already prepare for the 
next processing step, thus making each core appear as two to the OS. 
Which, incidentially, would actually slow down performance on 
pre-Windows-7-non-x64 windows OSes ;).
Also, the fact that i5 don't have hyperthreading is only true for the 
Nehalem, not for Sandy/Ivy Bridge ;) - in other words, i5 in current 
models do have hyperthreading.

Generally, I found passmark (passmark.com) results to be a good starting 
point for CPU performance.
Also, DPC latency is an important quantity (this is not for the 
processor, but for the processor/chipset/bios/whatever combo - the 
actual computer, if you will), as those can effectively keeping you from 
using the computer for live audio, no matter how fast your cpu is...

Sadly, there's no simple rule here. And one must not forget the AMD 
cpus, which in recent years have caught up very well (the aforementioned 
netbook of mine has an AMD cpu, which mainly I chose because of the 
superior GPU compared to Intels in the low-power segment at that date).

       Rainer

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On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 11:10 AM, mark francombe
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> I guerss Im talking memory AND CPU?


Why needing to know the "Minimum Spec PC"? Are you planning to by a
ten year old lappy? :-))  Just make sure its graphic memory isn't
shared with the system and any new dirt cheap win-lappy will work
great with live. The latest Live version (upgrade last week) supports
running the system at 64 bit and the good thing with that is that more
than 4 GB RAM can be used. So you might as well look for a cheap
corporate deal on a laptop that ships with 8 or more GB RAM.

I'm receiving mails every week from Dell and everyone else that offers
me a cheap deal through my company... must be the same in Norway. Look
for the deals labeld "powerful media laptop", "presentation media
workhorse" or similar, but try to avoid deals on laptops that come
with pre installed stuff that is targeting "home media center" users.
Oh, and Vista is a no-no ;-))

> When it says i3 or i5 or i7... is i3 good enough?

i7 does better in tests with typical music applications.

Greetings from Sweden

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Thanks for everything...

Problem solved..
found a second hand MBP for 5000 kroners... 2 years old...

I think keeping the boy in mac land, less viruses and games installed on
his machine is gonna help ALOT!!

Im off to Oslo...


Mark

On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 11:10 AM, mark francombe
> <markfrancombe@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I guerss Im talking memory AND CPU?
>
>
> Why needing to know the "Minimum Spec PC"? Are you planning to by a
> ten year old lappy? :-))  Just make sure its graphic memory isn't
> shared with the system and any new dirt cheap win-lappy will work
> great with live. The latest Live version (upgrade last week) supports
> running the system at 64 bit and the good thing with that is that more
> than 4 GB RAM can be used. So you might as well look for a cheap
> corporate deal on a laptop that ships with 8 or more GB RAM.
>
> I'm receiving mails every week from Dell and everyone else that offers
> me a cheap deal through my company... must be the same in Norway. Look
> for the deals labeld "powerful media laptop", "presentation media
> workhorse" or similar, but try to avoid deals on laptops that come
> with pre installed stuff that is targeting "home media center" users.
> Oh, and Vista is a no-no ;-))
>
> > When it says i3 or i5 or i7... is i3 good enough?
>
> i7 does better in tests with typical music applications.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.com
> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>
>


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Thanks for everything...<br><br>Problem solved..<br>found a second hand MBP=
 for 5000 kroners... 2 years old... <br><br>I think keeping the boy in mac =
land, less viruses and games installed on his machine is gonna help ALOT!!<=
br>

<br>Im off to Oslo...<br><br><br>Mark<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On =
Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Per Boysen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:perboysen@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">perboysen@gmail.com</a>&gt;</=
span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 11=
:10 AM, mark francombe<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:markfrancombe@gmail.com">markfrancombe@gmail.com</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; I guerss Im talking memory AND CPU?<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>Why needing to know the &quot;Minimum Spec PC&quot;? Are you planning=
 to by a<br>
ten year old lappy? :-)) =A0Just make sure its graphic memory isn&#39;t<br>
shared with the system and any new dirt cheap win-lappy will work<br>
great with live. The latest Live version (upgrade last week) supports<br>
running the system at 64 bit and the good thing with that is that more<br>
than 4 GB RAM can be used. So you might as well look for a cheap<br>
corporate deal on a laptop that ships with 8 or more GB RAM.<br>
<br>
I&#39;m receiving mails every week from Dell and everyone else that offers<=
br>
me a cheap deal through my company... must be the same in Norway. Look<br>
for the deals labeld &quot;powerful media laptop&quot;, &quot;presentation =
media<br>
workhorse&quot; or similar, but try to avoid deals on laptops that come<br>
with pre installed stuff that is targeting &quot;home media center&quot; us=
ers.<br>
Oh, and Vista is a no-no ;-))<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
&gt; When it says i3 or i5 or i7... is i3 good enough?<br>
<br>
</div>i7 does better in tests with typical music applications.<br>
<br>
Greetings from Sweden<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Per Boysen<br>
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><br>
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outube.com/perboysen</a><br>
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Here's a good hint:
At the Live forum there is the standing thread "LIVE 8 PERFORMANCE
TEST - Results Here".
https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=111880&start=0&hilit=best+laptop+for+live

All these questions are answered there and people post the spec's of
their boxes.

Per


On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 11:10 AM, mark francombe
> <markfrancombe@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I guerss Im talking memory AND CPU?
>
>
> Why needing to know the "Minimum Spec PC"? Are you planning to by a
> ten year old lappy? :-))  Just make sure its graphic memory isn't
> shared with the system and any new dirt cheap win-lappy will work
> great with live. The latest Live version (upgrade last week) supports
> running the system at 64 bit and the good thing with that is that more
> than 4 GB RAM can be used. So you might as well look for a cheap
> corporate deal on a laptop that ships with 8 or more GB RAM.
>
> I'm receiving mails every week from Dell and everyone else that offers
> me a cheap deal through my company... must be the same in Norway. Look
> for the deals labeld "powerful media laptop", "presentation media
> workhorse" or similar, but try to avoid deals on laptops that come
> with pre installed stuff that is targeting "home media center" users.
> Oh, and Vista is a no-no ;-))
>
>> When it says i3 or i5 or i7... is i3 good enough?
>
> i7 does better in tests with typical music applications.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.com
> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen

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Wow Per, Thats a great test they did...
However, (just scanning the results, pretty quick)
its SUPER inconclusive!

Many MBPs had the same specs with different results. a Big Mac Pro suffered
bad results.. a simple Asus lappy did very well..

Very Odd!!!

So it seems that what other stuff you have going on on your computer may be
rather relevant?

On the the hand, can you notice? These results are testing audio dropout,
and they all passed, just with different CPU percentages... I often have to
wait for the bouncy ball, or watch a blue line grow up a box... who cares..
Im not a robot, I LIKE those moments of relaxation... I even LIKE rendering
on my video stuff, or building on my game stuff, as I can go out and have a
cig...!



Mark




On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> Here's a good hint:
> At the Live forum there is the standing thread "LIVE 8 PERFORMANCE
> TEST - Results Here".
>
> https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=111880&start=0&hilit=best+laptop+for+live
>
> All these questions are answered there and people post the spec's of
> their boxes.
>
> Per
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 11:10 AM, mark francombe
> > <markfrancombe@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I guerss Im talking memory AND CPU?
> >
> >
> > Why needing to know the "Minimum Spec PC"? Are you planning to by a
> > ten year old lappy? :-))  Just make sure its graphic memory isn't
> > shared with the system and any new dirt cheap win-lappy will work
> > great with live. The latest Live version (upgrade last week) supports
> > running the system at 64 bit and the good thing with that is that more
> > than 4 GB RAM can be used. So you might as well look for a cheap
> > corporate deal on a laptop that ships with 8 or more GB RAM.
> >
> > I'm receiving mails every week from Dell and everyone else that offers
> > me a cheap deal through my company... must be the same in Norway. Look
> > for the deals labeld "powerful media laptop", "presentation media
> > workhorse" or similar, but try to avoid deals on laptops that come
> > with pre installed stuff that is targeting "home media center" users.
> > Oh, and Vista is a no-no ;-))
> >
> >> When it says i3 or i5 or i7... is i3 good enough?
> >
> > i7 does better in tests with typical music applications.
> >
> > Greetings from Sweden
> >
> > Per Boysen
> > www.perboysen.com
> > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>
>


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Wow Per, Thats a great test they did...<br>However, (just scanning the resu=
lts, pretty quick)<br>its SUPER inconclusive!<br><br>Many MBPs had the same=
 specs with different results. a Big Mac Pro suffered bad results.. a simpl=
e Asus lappy did very well.. <br>

<br>Very Odd!!!<br><br>So it seems that what other stuff you have going on =
on your computer may be rather relevant?<br><br>On the the hand, can you no=
tice? These results are testing audio dropout, and they all passed, just wi=
th different CPU percentages... I often have to wait for the bouncy ball, o=
r watch a blue line grow up a box... who cares.. Im not a robot, I LIKE tho=
se moments of relaxation... I even LIKE rendering on my video stuff, or bui=
lding on my game stuff, as I can go out and have a cig...!<br>

<br><br><br>Mark<br><br><br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul =
22, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Per Boysen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pe=
rboysen@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">perboysen@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wro=
te:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Here&#39;s a good hint:<br>
At the Live forum there is the standing thread &quot;LIVE 8 PERFORMANCE<br>
TEST - Results Here&quot;.<br>
<a href=3D"https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=3D1&amp;t=3D111880&amp=
;start=3D0&amp;hilit=3Dbest+laptop+for+live" target=3D"_blank">https://foru=
m.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=3D1&amp;t=3D111880&amp;start=3D0&amp;hilit=3D=
best+laptop+for+live</a><br>


<br>
All these questions are answered there and people post the spec&#39;s of<br=
>
their boxes.<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Per<br>
</font></span><div class=3D"im HOEnZb"><br>
<br>
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Per Boysen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:perboyse=
n@gmail.com">perboysen@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
</div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">&gt; On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at =
11:10 AM, mark francombe<br>
&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:markfrancombe@gmail.com">markfrancombe@gmail.com=
</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; I guerss Im talking memory AND CPU?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Why needing to know the &quot;Minimum Spec PC&quot;? Are you planning =
to by a<br>
&gt; ten year old lappy? :-)) =A0Just make sure its graphic memory isn&#39;=
t<br>
&gt; shared with the system and any new dirt cheap win-lappy will work<br>
&gt; great with live. The latest Live version (upgrade last week) supports<=
br>
&gt; running the system at 64 bit and the good thing with that is that more=
<br>
&gt; than 4 GB RAM can be used. So you might as well look for a cheap<br>
&gt; corporate deal on a laptop that ships with 8 or more GB RAM.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I&#39;m receiving mails every week from Dell and everyone else that of=
fers<br>
&gt; me a cheap deal through my company... must be the same in Norway. Look=
<br>
&gt; for the deals labeld &quot;powerful media laptop&quot;, &quot;presenta=
tion media<br>
&gt; workhorse&quot; or similar, but try to avoid deals on laptops that com=
e<br>
&gt; with pre installed stuff that is targeting &quot;home media center&quo=
t; users.<br>
&gt; Oh, and Vista is a no-no ;-))<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; When it says i3 or i5 or i7... is i3 good enough?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; i7 does better in tests with typical music applications.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Greetings from Sweden<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Per Boysen<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com" target=3D"_blank">www.perboysen.c=
om</a><br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/perboysen" target=3D"_blank">http://=
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On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:32 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
> I even LIKE rendering on my video stuff, or building on my game stuff, as I
> can go out and have a cig...!


LOL... I'm mixing a lot of music here now and the plugins I use for
EQ, limitation and reverb all work at a higher definition wich means
the do just ok at real-time playback but kick in the Cosmic Overdrive
in host file render mode. So rendering a mix to a stereo file on the
disc can take half an hour!!!! Well, I'm human too so I don't mind a
little break - I keep several layers of optional "downtime fill-up
activity strategies" handy.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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I ponder that classic phrase, while performing live improv-channeling on =
guitars, keyboards, drums and loops. With suitably-dark ambient =
videoworks. There will be carnage! Survival kits not required.

1230am London time, 730pm Eastern, 430pm Pacific.

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Brother sync and MIDI out to in.

Thanks. I'll try that as soon as I get back to Osaka this weekend.

P



On Jul 20, 2012, at 1:57 AM, andy butler wrote:

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responds to the command.=20
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> Need to connect midi out of EDP1 to midi In of EDP2.
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> andy
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I have a couple of these, http://www.emersonwilliams.com/ that I use  
all of the time in the studio and live,  because of the lack of sound  
isolation in my home studio most of my tracking has been through  
parallel  rigs. One DI stereo rig using the Ethos and my di live  
looping rig, one using my normal gig pedal board into my princeton and  
my ac 10. All of my personal recording and the stuff I've collaborated  
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Hello.

I'm writing to ask for advice.  I purchased a Boss RC-20* new and have 
been quite happy for a long time, mostly because I only use it for live 
looping.   That is, I can do everything I want in 5½ minutes and just 
erase it when I go on to the next song, recording being in the domain of 
other equipment.  Additionally, any loss in fidelity in playback during 
a performance only highlights the purity of the same in the new layer 
I'm adding live, so I don't even mind that so much.

However, the ability to "undo" a fail in an overdub has obvious appeal 
and, after reading dialogs in this group, am considering upgrading.  As 
an "old dog", my first inclination would simply be to consider going to 
the RC-20XL because it adds that feature and not a lot of stuff I 
wouldn't use.   But after joining this thread, I've been particularly 
impressed by the expertise (as well as talent) gathered so was hoping 
tap into it for guidance on perhaps adding another "new trick".  If I 
upgrade to an additional generation, to the Boss RC-3** (or RC-30), I 
understand there is improved recording fidelity and with it, a USB port 
to export what it captures.

My question, for those of you in the know..  is the output (.wav) of the 
newer Boss loop pedals of sufficient quality for collaborative song 
development with other artists?  Additionally, I noted the Loopr demo 
video*** that someone posted demonstrate the ability to "start the drums 
and hold the groove via precise MIDI tempo synch"? That's pretty cool if 
it's really dynamically picking up on the beat and auto synchronizing.  
I'd love to do that with mine (Boss DR-5) and would be willing to 
consider another direction completely if one on you knows this ability 
already exists on loop-pedal I could use as a replacement to my RC-20 
(without it being super overkill upgrade for what you understand I'm 
looking for).

Incidentally, with respect to collaboration, sorry for the newbie 
question, but is there a (de facto) international standard format, 
method ?  I'm reluctant to invest the time and energy to learn the ins 
and outs of a site like http://www.kompoz.com (much less future 
financial compensation) if I could just email files back and forth 
between myself and an artist with whom I'd like to collaborate, using 
some kind of software to mix essentially what would be an open standard 
for music tracks with some special synchronization thread. Sorry for the 
newbie inquiry, but I've only ever used wave files and overdubbed on my 
little studio (Boss BR-8).  So emailing a file sufficient for 
collaboration and a synchronized response (that wasn't already 
premixed/overdubbed) would be a new realm for this old dog. As such, I 
would greatly appreciate some advice on getting started, even if it was 
just some recommended reading.   Thanks in advance for any help.

Regards and best wishes,

Tony Kane ("Tone")
Chapel Hill, NC
The Tone Crucible
http://www.reverbnation.com/open_graph/song/7981602


* http://www.bossus.com/gear/productdetails.php?ProductId=165
** http://www.bossus.com/gear/productdetails.php?ProductId=1159&ParentId=251
*** http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69Yc_vNb1aE&feature=plcp

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Has anyone ever tried to set an audio looper up on a raspberry pi unit? For t=
hose of you who don't know what this is, it's a little credit card sized Lin=
ux computer. It's specs aren't as good as a full size computer, but it'd be i=
nteresting to set it up with sooperlooper. It only costs 25 bucks, and it'd b=
e quite portable. The 35 dollar model has 2 USB ports, as well as an hdmi ou=
t. With a small USB hub, you could get it all in.

So without rambling more, what do you think?

Here is the wiki page-strangely seems to have more info than the actual site=
 lol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi


Charlie=

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I want to slave sync FL Studio to mobius so that the tempo of FL studio
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<p>I want to slave sync FL Studio to mobius so that the tempo of FL studio automatically changes to the tempo mobius sends out after i record the master loop. However, Fl Studio is the host. Is it possible?</p>

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On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Charlie Milkey <pilotcp@gmail.com> wrote:

> Has anyone ever tried to set an audio looper up on a raspberry pi unit?
> For those of you who don't know what this is, it's a little credit card
> sized Linux computer. It's specs aren't as good as a full size computer,
> but it'd be interesting to set it up with sooperlooper.
>

The Pi doesn't have audio input. Also, the in-built device doesn't work
with JACK as far as I know at this point in time. So if you want to record
anything, or use SooperLooper or any other JACK based audio software, you
have to use a USB audio device. But apart from that, yes, it is entirely
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Charlie Milkey =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pilotcp@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank=
">pilotcp@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
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Has anyone ever tried to set an audio looper up on a raspberry pi unit? For=
 those of you who don&#39;t know what this is, it&#39;s a little credit car=
d sized Linux computer. It&#39;s specs aren&#39;t as good as a full size co=
mputer, but it&#39;d be interesting to set it up with sooperlooper.<br>

</blockquote></div><br>The Pi doesn&#39;t have audio input. Also, the in-bu=
ilt device doesn&#39;t work with JACK as far as I know at this point in tim=
e. So if you want to record anything, or use SooperLooper or any other JACK=
 based audio software, you have to use a USB audio device. But apart from t=
hat, yes, it is entirely possible.<br>

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> How about we at loopers-delight.com and the ones at livelooping.org =
work together to make a documentary movie about looping?


Tyler, the livelooping.org people are also all on the mailing list  :)

I agree, I would very much love to see a looping movie, and =
crowdsourcing is probably the best way to finance it (I had thought of =
proposing such a project to a culture-based TV station such as BBC but =
then it might not be possible to sell it on Amazon).  I know that =
several people have made some video interviews (such as Bernhard Wagner =
or Fabio's friend Xavier who interviewed all of us in Rome a few years =
ago). Maybe more people could contribute similar video material. All of =
this could become part of such a movie, together with concert footage.

I would love to have such a movie ready by next summer, because as I =
pointed out earlier, it is the 50th anniversary of livelooping (the tape =
delay/feedback method was invented by Terry Riley's technician for a =
Paris show of Music for the Gift in July 1963, and eventually turned =
into the Time Lag Accumulator and Frippertronics). Of course, tape music =
originated in the 1940s, and with it the use of closed prerecorded =
loops, and of course the short tape delays existed before 1963, but the =
long delays (several seconds) used in combination with live music that =
we use in livelooping actually celebrate their 50ths birthday next year.

I would personally love to see an interview with Terry Riley (and =
ideally also Pauline Oliveros) in this video but I don't know how to =
contact Terry. Also, I'm in Germany and I have no experience with making =
movies anyway. Isn't there someone here on the list who lives in =
Southern California and could make a video with Terry, asking him about =
the origins of livelooping as he remembers them, and about his all-night =
flight concerts during the 1960s with keyboard/saxophone livelooping?

I'm thinking of making a little technical-documentary movie that would =
explain how to do livelooping with 2 Revox machines. That could also =
become part of the video.


-Michael


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Well, the RC series has a pretty good sound quality (speaking mainly of =
the audio input, preamp and co), definitely enough for collaborative =
work. We've been doing online experiments in collaborative looping for =
years now, using almost everything that came out (ranging from an old =
Apple II to the Lexicon JamMan, including the Electrix Repeater or the =
Boomerang), but retreated to the Boss RC series when we started our =
daily online collaborative experiment ( http://www.bootymachine.net - =
mainly the RC-50). Even thought many things are flawed in their =
ergonomy, the sound is good, and the machinery solid as a rock. =
Connectivity is definitely a flaw, but as on all those non smartphone =
based solutions, even though USB let's you at least save and share your =
work.

Also, as part of the Loopr.net dev team, I would recommend Loopr too, =
but it's still in Apple review territory right now, and the v1 isn't YET =
to the overall potential of those pedalboards in my honest and humble =
opinion, mainly because of the audio hardware... As for the ergonomy of =
Loopr, you can check a bit more on this other video: =
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D8nZdj9Ouz7E

Cheers, hope that helps, ;)
z

On 23 juil. 2012, at 05:04, Tone wrote:

> My question, for those of you in the know..  is the output (.wav) of =
the newer Boss loop pedals of sufficient quality for collaborative song =
development with other artists?  Additionally, I noted the Loopr demo =
video*** that someone posted demonstrate the ability to "start the drums =
and hold the groove via precise MIDI tempo synch"? That's pretty cool if =
it's really dynamically picking up on the beat and auto synchronizing.  =
I'd love to do that with mine (Boss DR-5) and would be willing to =
consider another direction completely if one on you knows this ability =
already exists on loop-pedal I could use as a replacement to my RC-20 =
(without it being super overkill upgrade for what you understand I'm =
looking for).


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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Well, =
the RC series has a pretty good sound quality (speaking mainly of the =
audio input, preamp and co), definitely enough for collaborative work. =
We've been doing online experiments in collaborative looping for years =
now, using almost everything that came out (ranging from an old Apple II =
to the Lexicon JamMan, including the Electrix Repeater or the =
Boomerang), but retreated to the Boss RC series when we started our =
daily online collaborative experiment ( <a =
href=3D"http://www.bootymachine.net">http://www.bootymachine.net</a> - =
mainly the RC-50). Even thought many things are flawed in their =
ergonomy, the sound is good, and the machinery solid as a rock. =
Connectivity is definitely a flaw, but as on all those non smartphone =
based solutions, even though USB let's you at least save and share your =
work.<div><br></div><div>Also, as part of the <a =
href=3D"http://Loopr.net">Loopr.net</a> dev team, I would recommend =
Loopr too, but it's still in Apple review territory right now, and the =
v1 isn't YET to the overall potential of those pedalboards in my honest =
and humble opinion, mainly because of the audio hardware... As for the =
ergonomy of Loopr, you can check a bit more on this other video:&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D8nZdj9Ouz7E">http://www.youtube.c=
om/watch?v=3D8nZdj9Ouz7E</a></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers, hope that =
helps, ;)</div><div>z<br><div><br><div><div>On 23 juil. 2012, at 05:04, =
Tone wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: =
separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: =
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text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: =
auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; ">My question, =
for those of you in the know.. &nbsp;is the output (.wav) of the newer =
Boss loop pedals of sufficient quality for collaborative song =
development with other artists? &nbsp;Additionally, I noted the Loopr =
demo video*** that someone posted demonstrate the ability to "start the =
drums and hold the groove via precise MIDI tempo synch"? That's pretty =
cool if it's really dynamically picking up on the beat and auto =
synchronizing. &nbsp;I'd love to do that with mine (Boss DR-5) and would =
be willing to consider another direction completely if one on you knows =
this ability already exists on loop-pedal I could use as a replacement =
to my RC-20 (without it being super overkill upgrade for what you =
understand I'm looking =
for).</span></blockquote></div><br></div></div></body></html>=

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=20videos.=20And=20looping=20music=20by=20one=20artist=20or=20another=20
playing=20in=20the=20background=20during=20nearly=20the=20whole=20film.=20O=
y=20vey!=20I=20got=20to=20go=20learn=20Windows=20
Movie=20Maker!=20I=20already=20learned=20Youtube.=20But=20Imogen=20Heap=20h=
as=20a=20new=20album=20coming=20out=20either=20late=20
2012=20or=20any=20time=20in=202013.=20She=20has=20those=20Musical=20Gloves,=
=20which=20can=20control=20music,=20and=20I=20
heard=20looping.=20And=20it=20was=20part=20of=20a=20live=20show!=20What=20i=
f=20we=20got=20Tim=20Exile=20in=20this=20=20film?=20He's=20
all=20over=20Youtube=20and=20Twitter;=20he=20should=20be=20easy=20to=20cont=
act.=20Maybe=20we=20should=20get=20some=20
non-liveloopers=20who=20use=20audio=20editing=20software=20for=20studio-loo=
ping,=20just=20for=20completeness;=20this=20is=20about=20
all=20sample=20repetition.=20Maybe=20we=20should=20get=20Asianglow=20(a=20s=
tudio=20looper)=20on=20here.=20Or=20
Lizzie,=20the=20Michigan-based=20blind=20looper,=20who=20is=20most=20likely=
=20the=20only=20blind=20looper=20besides=20me.=20So=20
it=20only=20makes=20sense=20Lizzie=20and=20I=20work=20together.=20She=20and=
=20Amy=20X=20Newberg=20are=20the=20only=20female=20
loopers=20I've=20ever=20heard=20from,=20as=20far=20as=20people=20who=20actu=
ally=20call=20themselves=20loopers;=20Imogen=20just=20uses=20it,=20
Zoe=20Keating=20may=20be=20closer.=20(Want=20to=20hear=20Lizzie?=20Go=20to=
=20the=20June=202012=20issue=20of=20the=20
Looper's=20Delight=20archive=20and=20flip=20to=20the=20June=2025th=20page).
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On=20Mon,=2023=20Jul=202012=2009:02:24=20+0200,=20Michael=20Peters=20wrote:


>>How=20about=20we=20at=20loopers-delight.com=20and=20the=20ones=20at=20liv=
elooping.org=20work=20
>>together=20to=20make=20a=20documentary=20movie=20about=20looping?
>
>
>Tyler,=20the=20livelooping.org=20people=20are=20also=20all=20on=20the=20ma=
iling=20list=20=20:)
>
>I=20agree,=20I=20would=20very=20much=20love=20to=20see=20a=20looping=20mov=
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>probably=20the=20best=20way=20to=20finance=20it=20(I=20had=20thought=20of=
=20proposing=20such=20a=20project=20
>to=20a=20culture-based=20TV=20station=20such=20as=20BBC=20but=20then=20it=
=20might=20not=20be=20possible=20to=20
>sell=20it=20on=20Amazon).=20=20I=20know=20that=20several=20people=20have=
=20made=20some=20video=20interviews=20
>(such=20as=20Bernhard=20Wagner=20or=20Fabio's=20friend=20Xavier=20who=20in=
terviewed=20all=20of=20us=20in=20
>Rome=20a=20few=20years=20ago).=20Maybe=20more=20people=20could=20contribut=
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>material.=20All=20of=20this=20could=20become=20part=20of=20such=20a=20movi=
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>
>I=20would=20love=20to=20have=20such=20a=20movie=20ready=20by=20next=20summ=
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>out=20earlier,=20it=20is=20the=2050th=20anniversary=20of=20livelooping=20(=
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>method=20was=20invented=20by=20Terry=20Riley's=20technician=20for=20a=20Pa=
ris=20show=20of=20Music=20for=20
>the=20Gift=20in=20July=201963,=20and=20eventually=20turned=20into=20the=20=
Time=20Lag=20Accumulator=20and=20
>Frippertronics).=20Of=20course,=20tape=20music=20originated=20in=20the=201=
940s,=20and=20with=20it=20the=20
>use=20of=20closed=20prerecorded=20loops,=20and=20of=20course=20the=20short=
=20tape=20delays=20existed=20
>before=201963,=20but=20the=20long=20delays=20(several=20seconds)=20used=20=
in=20combination=20with=20
>live=20music=20that=20we=20use=20in=20livelooping=20actually=20celebrate=
=20their=2050ths=20birthday=20
>next=20year.
>
>I=20would=20personally=20love=20to=20see=20an=20interview=20with=20Terry=
=20Riley=20(and=20ideally=20also=20
>Pauline=20Oliveros)=20in=20this=20video=20but=20I=20don't=20know=20how=20t=
o=20contact=20Terry.=20Also,=20
>I'm=20in=20Germany=20and=20I=20have=20no=20experience=20with=20making=20mo=
vies=20anyway.=20Isn't=20there=20
>someone=20here=20on=20the=20list=20who=20lives=20in=20Southern=20Californi=
a=20and=20could=20make=20a=20
>video=20with=20Terry,=20asking=20him=20about=20the=20origins=20of=20livelo=
oping=20as=20he=20remembers=20
>them,=20and=20about=20his=20all-night=20flight=20concerts=20during=20the=
=201960s=20with=20
>keyboard/saxophone=20livelooping?
>
>I'm=20thinking=20of=20making=20a=20little=20technical-documentary=20movie=
=20that=20would=20explain=20
>how=20to=20do=20livelooping=20with=202=20Revox=20machines.=20That=20could=
=20also=20become=20part=20of=20the=20
>video.
>
>
>-Michael
>


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checking it out grand Bill thnx!=0A=A0=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/luisanguloc=
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ng my normal gig pedal board into my princeton and my ac 10. All of my pers=
onal recording and the stuff I've collaborated with Erdem on the last coupl=
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
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ethod. This one is also excellent ,<a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" hr=
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Tyler wrote:

> I got to go learn Windows 
> Movie Maker! 

I'd recommend you look for a good deal on one of the Sony Vegas limited editions,
these can be very cheap.

I've tried a number of free or low cost video editors, and that was easily
my favourite.


> this is about 
> all sample repetition. 

You'll just have to keep saying that....the liveloopers can't hear you :-)

andy

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But=20it=20says=20it=20clearly!=20(Oh,=20that's=20right!=20I'm=20blind!=20I=
=20don't=20know=20what=20font=20it's=20in!)
Tyler=20Z
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>
>
>Tyler=20wrote:
>
>>I=20got=20to=20go=20learn=20Windows=20
>>Movie=20Maker!=20
>
>I'd=20recommend=20you=20look=20for=20a=20good=20deal=20on=20one=20of=20the=
=20Sony=20Vegas=20limited=20
>editions,
>these=20can=20be=20very=20cheap.
>
>I've=20tried=20a=20number=20of=20free=20or=20low=20cost=20video=20editors,=
=20and=20that=20was=20easily
>my=20favourite.
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>
>>this=20is=20about=20
>>all=20sample=20repetition.=20
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>You'll=20just=20have=20to=20keep=20saying=20that....the=20liveloopers=20ca=
n't=20hear=20you=20:-)
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On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 7:47 AM, kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:
> I want to slave sync FL Studio to mobius so that the tempo of FL studio
> automatically changes to the tempo mobius sends out after i record the
> master loop. However, Fl Studio is the host. Is it possible?

You have Fl Studio, so you can check out if it can follow MIDI Clock
sync (that's what Mobius sends out for tempo)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Well, you can run pure data on it, so anything is possible looper-wise.
 I'm not sure about the i/o though.  Have you checked out the beagleboard?
 Pd will also run on that, so that could be another option for you.

http://log.liminastudio.com/writing/tutorials/how-to-build-pd-extended-on-the-raspberry-pi

Sylvain

On Monday, July 23, 2012, Charlie Milkey wrote:

> Has anyone ever tried to set an audio looper up on a raspberry pi unit?
> For those of you who don't know what this is, it's a little credit card
> sized Linux computer. It's specs aren't as good as a full size computer,
> but it'd be interesting to set it up with sooperlooper. It only costs 25
> bucks, and it'd be quite portable. The 35 dollar model has 2 USB ports, as
> well as an hdmi out. With a small USB hub, you could get it all in.
>
> So without rambling more, what do you think?
>
> Here is the wiki page-strangely seems to have more info than the actual
> site lol
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi
>
>
> Charlie
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Well, you can run pure data on it, so anything is possible looper-wise. =A0=
I&#39;m not sure about the i/o though. =A0Have you checked out the beaglebo=
ard? =A0Pd will also run on that, so that could be another option for you. =
=A0<span></span><div>
<div><br><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style><a href=3D"http://log.limin=
astudio.com/writing/tutorials/how-to-build-pd-extended-on-the-raspberry-pi"=
>http://log.liminastudio.com/writing/tutorials/how-to-build-pd-extended-on-=
the-raspberry-pi</a></span></div>
<div><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"&#39;.Helvetica NeueUI&#39;">=
<span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style>=A0<br dir=3D"ltr"></span></font></d=
iv><div>Sylvain=A0</div><div><br></div><div>On Monday, July 23, 2012, Charl=
ie Milkey  wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Has anyone ever tried to set an audio looper=
 up on a raspberry pi unit? For those of you who don&#39;t know what this i=
s, it&#39;s a little credit card sized Linux computer. It&#39;s specs aren&=
#39;t as good as a full size computer, but it&#39;d be interesting to set i=
t up with sooperlooper. It only costs 25 bucks, and it&#39;d be quite porta=
ble. The 35 dollar model has 2 USB ports, as well as an hdmi out. With a sm=
all USB hub, you could get it all in.<br>

<br>
So without rambling more, what do you think?<br>
<br>
Here is the wiki page-strangely seems to have more info than the actual sit=
e lol<br>
<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi" target=3D"_blank">htt=
p://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi</a><br>
<br>
<br>
Charlie<br>
</blockquote></div></div>

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Who is Paul Stretch? Haven't heard of him.
A looper? An Algo?
Guess he must be digital in some way...

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Yes, I worked with video Vegas back in 2002. It was a very good porgram. I used it for Foley, ADR, etc. Easy to learn, quick to use.
rig


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Tyler wrote:

> I got to go learn Windows Movie Maker! 

I'd recommend you look for a good deal on one of the Sony Vegas limited editions,
these can be very cheap.

I've tried a number of free or low cost video editors, and that was easily
my favourite.


> this is about all sample repetition. 

You'll just have to keep saying that....the liveloopers can't hear you :-)

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Yes, I worked with video Vegas back in 2002. It was a very good porgram. I used it for Foley, ADR, etc. Easy to learn, quick to use.<br />rig<br>  <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div  dir="ltr" > <font size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1">  <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> andy butler &lt;akbutler@tiscali.co.uk&gt;<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, July 23, 2012 2:05 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: How about a crowdsourced documentary about looping?<br> </font> </div> <br>
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> Date: Mon=2C 23 Jul 2012 14:15:08 +0200
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> From: perboysen@gmail.com
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> Who is Paul Stretch? Haven't heard of him.
> A looper? An Algo?
> Guess he must be digital in some way...
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art of the Audacity editing software

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

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Paulstretch has been available for both the Mac and Linux for at least
two years now =85 I've been using it on my old Mac G5 tower for two
years. Funny things is that it hasn't been so easy to use on the
Intel-based Macs =85

Best,

Dennis

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http://audiozoloft.com
http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/


On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Gareth Whittock
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> Paulstretch is not an extremely tall looper it's an extreme time-stretchi=
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> algorithm that has been PC-only for years.. You van now get it on MAc as
> part of the Audacity editing software
>
>
> Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk
>
>> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 14:15:08 +0200
>> Subject: Re: OT - OTT - Audacity now with Paulstretch!
>> From: perboysen@gmail.com
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>
>> Who is Paul Stretch? Haven't heard of him.
>> A looper? An Algo?
>> Guess he must be digital in some way...
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.perboysen.com
>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Gareth Whittock
>> <buddhamachine@live.co.uk> wrote:
>> > Woah - yeah - wow!
>> >
>> > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk
>> >
>> >
>>

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Ah=2C I didn't realise that. Anyway=2C it's cool that it's built into the n=
ew Audacity.
Peace
g

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

> Date: Mon=2C 23 Jul 2012 08:42:13 -0600
> Subject: Re: OT - OTT - Audacity now with Paulstretch!
> From: sinsofmachaut@gmail.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=20
> Paulstretch has been available for both the Mac and Linux for at least
> two years now =85 I've been using it on my old Mac G5 tower for two
> years. Funny things is that it hasn't been so easy to use on the
> Intel-based Macs =85
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> Best=2C
>=20
> Dennis
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> http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin
> http://audiozoloft.com
> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/
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>=20
> On Mon=2C Jul 23=2C 2012 at 7:26 AM=2C Gareth Whittock
> <buddhamachine@live.co.uk> wrote:
> > Paulstretch is not an extremely tall looper it's an extreme time-stretc=
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> > algorithm that has been PC-only for years.. You van now get it on MAc a=
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> > part of the Audacity editing software
> >
> >
> > Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk
> >
> >> Date: Mon=2C 23 Jul 2012 14:15:08 +0200
> >> Subject: Re: OT - OTT - Audacity now with Paulstretch!
> >> From: perboysen@gmail.com
> >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >>
> >> Who is Paul Stretch? Haven't heard of him.
> >> A looper? An Algo?
> >> Guess he must be digital in some way...
> >>
> >> Greetings from Sweden
> >>
> >> Per Boysen
> >> www.perboysen.com
> >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon=2C Jul 23=2C 2012 at 2:04 PM=2C Gareth Whittock
> >> <buddhamachine@live.co.uk> wrote:
> >> > Woah - yeah - wow!
> >> >
> >> > Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk
> >> >
> >> >
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Tone schrieb:
> However, the ability to "undo" a fail in an overdub has obvious appeal 
> and, after reading dialogs in this group, am considering upgrading.  
> As an "old dog", my first inclination
Although not part of your question:
the ability to "undo" as a creative tool has even more appeal than the 
ability to "undo" a fail (although this is not as obvious).
Many of the artists exploiting the deep feature set of the EDP to the 
max make use of undo/redo, not only on normal overdubs, but on any kind 
of processing.
> Incidentally, with respect to collaboration, sorry for the newbie 
> question, but is there a (de facto) international standard format, 
> method ?  I'm reluctant to invest the time and energy to learn the ins 
> and outs of a site like http://www.kompoz.com (much less future 
> financial compensation) if I could just email files back and forth 
> between myself and an artist with 
Thanks for mentioning that site - hadn't heard of it before, but it 
looks interesting for incorporating version management.
That being said: no, I don't know of a standard (or the other possible 
reply would be "ProTools" ;).
That syncing issue with compressed audio they mention on Kompoz is new 
to me (the fact that we're talking audible length changes here).

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>> Incidentally, with respect to collaboration, sorry for the newbie 
>> question, but is there a (de facto) international standard format, 
>> method ? 

apart from proprietary formats like protools the thing to do
is use wav files.

Make sure that any files for a multi-track session have the silence at the beginning
of the track included, so that they are easy to line up in any editor.

:-) make sure you agree on sample rate.

Don't try sending .wav by email...to large.
If you haven't got webspace to use, then I think a lot of folks here would
recommend "Dropbox".

andy

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It's great news, Gareth =97=A0guess I'll be updating my copy of Audactiy
today! I really like using Paulstretch=85

Best,

Dennis

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On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Gareth Whittock
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> Ah, I didn't realise that. Anyway, it's cool that it's built into the new
> Audacity.
>
> Peace
>
> g
>
> Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk
>
>> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 08:42:13 -0600
>
>> Subject: Re: OT - OTT - Audacity now with Paulstretch!
>> From: sinsofmachaut@gmail.com
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>
>>
>> Paulstretch has been available for both the Mac and Linux for at least
>> two years now =85 I've been using it on my old Mac G5 tower for two
>> years. Funny things is that it hasn't been so easy to use on the
>> Intel-based Macs =85
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>> http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin
>> http://audiozoloft.com
>> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Gareth Whittock
>> <buddhamachine@live.co.uk> wrote:
>> > Paulstretch is not an extremely tall looper it's an extreme
>> > time-stretching
>> > algorithm that has been PC-only for years.. You van now get it on MAc =
as
>> > part of the Audacity editing software
>> >
>> >
>> > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk
>> >
>> >> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 14:15:08 +0200
>> >> Subject: Re: OT - OTT - Audacity now with Paulstretch!
>> >> From: perboysen@gmail.com
>> >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> >>
>> >> Who is Paul Stretch? Haven't heard of him.
>> >> A looper? An Algo?
>> >> Guess he must be digital in some way...
>> >>
>> >> Greetings from Sweden
>> >>
>> >> Per Boysen
>> >> www.perboysen.com
>> >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Gareth Whittock
>> >> <buddhamachine@live.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> > Woah - yeah - wow!
>> >> >
>> >> > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>>

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Gareth Whittock schrieb:
> Paulstretch is not an extremely tall looper it's an extreme 
> time-stretching algorithm that has been PC-only for years.. You van 
> now get it on MAc as part of the Audacity editing software
Ah, pity, the name isn't as funny as I hoped...the author is called 
Paul, and I thought it was a hit at the DIRAC timestretch algorithm ;)

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Don't think anyone has ref'd this yet but an interview with the creator of
'PaulStretch',
http://www.microscopics.co.uk/blog/2010/paulstretch-an-interview-with-paul-=
nasca/

Jim

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Rainer Straschill <
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> Gareth Whittock schrieb:
>
>  Paulstretch is not an extremely tall looper it's an extreme
>> time-stretching algorithm that has been PC-only for years.. You van now =
get
>> it on MAc as part of the Audacity editing software
>>
> Ah, pity, the name isn't as funny as I hoped...the author is called Paul,
> and I thought it was a hit at the DIRAC timestretch algorithm ;)
>
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<div>Don&#39;t think anyone has ref&#39;d this yet but an interview with th=
e creator of &#39;PaulStretch&#39;, <a href=3D"http://www.microscopics.co.u=
k/blog/2010/paulstretch-an-interview-with-paul-nasca/">http://www.microscop=
ics.co.uk/blog/2010/paulstretch-an-interview-with-paul-nasca/</a></div>
<div>=A0</div><div>Jim<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul =
23, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Rainer Straschill <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:moinsound@googlemail.com" target=3D"_blank">moinsound@googlemail.com</=
a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-=
color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class=
=3D"gmail_quote">Gareth Whittock schrieb:<div class=3D"im"><br>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-=
color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class=
=3D"gmail_quote">
Paulstretch is not an extremely tall looper it&#39;s an extreme time-stretc=
hing algorithm that has been PC-only for years.. You van now get it on MAc =
as part of the Audacity editing software<br>
</blockquote></div>
Ah, pity, the name isn&#39;t as funny as I hoped...the author is called Pau=
l, and I thought it was a hit at the DIRAC timestretch algorithm ;)<span cl=
ass=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
<br>
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indran</a></em>, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin &amp; Peter =
Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from this CD will benefit <em><a href=3D"http://jdrf.o=
rg" target=3D"_blank">JDRF International</a></em></div>
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Thanks Gareth! I have this version of Audacity and hadn't noticed
Paulstretch added :) It is a very simplified version compared to the
standalone but should be a nice addition. The ability to stretch just a
portion of a track is intriguing!

J

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>  Woah - yeah - wow!
>
> Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk
>
>
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Thanks Gareth! I have this version of Audacity and hadn&#39;t noticed Pauls=
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rack is intriguing!<br>
<br>J <br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:04 AM, G=
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> Don't think anyone has ref'd this yet but an interview with the =
creator of 'PaulStretch',  =
<http://www.microscopics.co.uk/blog/2010/paulstretch-an-interview-with-pa=
ul-nasca/> =
http://www.microscopics.co.uk/blog/2010/paulstretch-an-interview-with-pau=
l-nasca/
=20
thanks Jim!  interesting. I was surprised that 9-beet stretch wasn't =
done with Paulstretch but that it rather was an inspiration for =
Paulstretch. What was 9-beet stretch done with then? Hmm ..
-Michael
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It's a timestretch effect (you can increase the duration of a sound
without changing the pitch).

This is kind of a difficult to hear sample, but on this episode of my
radio show:
http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com/player/web/2012-07-11T00_27_26-07_00
...I use PaulStretch at 0:34:23 on the chorus of "Buffalo Stance" by
Neneh Cherry, stretching out the chorus to about 2.5 minutes.

Of the timestretches I've heard, it's not my favorite. It sounds like
it adds reverb to the sounds, and they get a lot more dirty. It makes
things sound like a Tim Hecker record. (I like Tim Hecker quite a bit,
but I don't want to sound like him.)

Also, it doesn't have an interface for choosing the final duration.
Instead, you choose how many times the original length you want the
final length to be. (Selecting "2" will turn a 1 minute sample into a
2 minute sample.) So, if you're using it for something other than idle
playing around, you'll need to whip out a calculator. I do like that
it lets you choose the "windowing" setting (or something like that).
That loosely lets you choose how grainy you want the timestretch to
sound.


-- 
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mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusic.com
Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 5:15 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Who is Paul Stretch? Haven't heard of him.
> A looper? An Algo?
> Guess he must be digital in some way...
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.com
> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Gareth Whittock
> <buddhamachine@live.co.uk> wrote:
>> Woah - yeah - wow!
>>
>> Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk
>>
>>
>

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PaulStretch is great!

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Matt Davignon <mattdavignon@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's a timestretch effect (you can increase the duration of a sound
> without changing the pitch).
>
> This is kind of a difficult to hear sample, but on this episode of my
> radio show:
> http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com/player/web/2012-07-11T00_27_26-07_00
> ...I use PaulStretch at 0:34:23 on the chorus of "Buffalo Stance" by
> Neneh Cherry, stretching out the chorus to about 2.5 minutes.
>
> Of the timestretches I've heard, it's not my favorite. It sounds like
> it adds reverb to the sounds, and they get a lot more dirty. It makes
> things sound like a Tim Hecker record. (I like Tim Hecker quite a bit,
> but I don't want to sound like him.)
>
> Also, it doesn't have an interface for choosing the final duration.
> Instead, you choose how many times the original length you want the
> final length to be. (Selecting "2" will turn a 1 minute sample into a
> 2 minute sample.) So, if you're using it for something other than idle
> playing around, you'll need to whip out a calculator. I do like that
> it lets you choose the "windowing" setting (or something like that).
> That loosely lets you choose how grainy you want the timestretch to
> sound.
>
>
> --
> Matt Davignon
> mattdavignon@gmail.com
> www.ribosomemusic.com
> Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 5:15 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Who is Paul Stretch? Haven't heard of him.
>> A looper? An Algo?
>> Guess he must be digital in some way...
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.perboysen.com
>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Gareth Whittock
>> <buddhamachine@live.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Woah - yeah - wow!
>>>
>>> Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk
>>>
>>>
>>
>

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i don't own one, but i ALMOST got one a few months back....
supposedly you can dump the delay stuff you do into a jamman sampler (i
think)

i'd check out youtube vids to see if it's something you'd like.
when i was going to get it, there was one on ebay for around $200....

i think i decided against it b/c the delay is just like the DL8 delay...so
no varispeed options...

i had a boss rc20 yrs ago....to me the jammans seemed similar in
operation...more memory of course, can save more loops (99 vs the rc's did
like 11 or something)

of course if you saw my post about my begging digitech to remake the
pds8000, the support person said that the chips are no longer available
and he recommeded me to try out the DIGITECH JAMMAN DELAY....so he seems to
think it's similar. i, from what i've read and seen in vids
do not think it does what the pds8000 can do....

i'm sure it's a fine looping option....good luck
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<div>i don&#39;t own one, but i ALMOST got one a few months back....</div><=
div>supposedly you can dump the delay stuff you do into a jamman sampler (i=
 think)</div><div>=A0</div><div>i&#39;d check out youtube vids to see if it=
&#39;s something you&#39;d like.</div>
<div>when i was going to get it, there was one on ebay for around $200....<=
/div><div>=A0</div><div>i think i decided against it b/c the delay is just =
like the DL8 delay...so no varispeed options...</div><div>=A0</div><div>i h=
ad a boss rc20 yrs ago....to me the jammans seemed similar in operation...m=
ore memory of course, can save more loops (99 vs the rc&#39;s did like 11 o=
r something)</div>
<div>=A0</div><div>of course if you saw my post about my begging digitech t=
o remake the pds8000, the support person said that the chips are no longer =
available</div><div>and he recommeded me to try out the DIGITECH JAMMAN DEL=
AY....so he seems to think it&#39;s similar. i, from what i&#39;ve read and=
 seen in vids</div>
<div>do not think it does what the pds8000 can do....</div><div>=A0</div><d=
iv>i&#39;m sure it&#39;s a fine looping option....good luck</div><div>s----=
</div><div>=A0</div>

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For what it's worth,  the L.A. based film maker/live video artist,  
Arkmay (aka Mark Thorton) has shot an entire feature
length documentary of the Y2KX 10th Anniversary Live Looping Festival 
with very extensive interviews
with many of the people involved.

He's been swamped with work (how great for him) since he moved to L.A. 
and so it's been very slow going
for his documentary, unfortunately.

I don't know if he still intends to finish this film or not but that 
footage exists at least.

I'll write him again and ask him what is up.

yours,     Rick



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"..........I know that several people have made some video interviews 
(such as Bernhard Wagner or Fabio's friend Xavier who interviewed all of 
us in Rome a few years ago). Maybe more people could contribute similar 
video material......."

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I think that a documentary of the live looping festivals would be more
manageable and perhaps meaningful to this crowd.  Making a full
fledged documentary about looping seems a really immense project
whereas the festival angle makes it only a huge task but has the
benefit of access to most everyone involved.

Personally I think it would be a fantastic project that would appeal
to a lot of folks and open up the concept to a larger audience.

Speaking of documentaries, anyone else watched Between the Folds?  I
don't say this often or lightly, but this movie blew my mind.  Its
ostensibly about paper folding and origami but....really, everyone who
enjoys thinking should give up an hour and absorb it.  And really, its
no so very different than looping if you think about it.

Kevin

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
> For what it's worth,  the L.A. based film maker/live video artist,  Arkmay
> (aka Mark Thorton) has shot an entire feature
> length documentary of the Y2KX 10th Anniversary Live Looping Festival with
> very extensive interviews
> with many of the people involved.
>
> He's been swamped with work (how great for him) since he moved to L.A. and
> so it's been very slow going
> for his documentary, unfortunately.
>
> I don't know if he still intends to finish this film or not but that footage
> exists at least.
>
> I'll write him again and ask him what is up.
>
> yours,     Rick
>
>
>
> On 7/23/12 12:02 AM, Michael Peters wrote:
>
> "..........I know that several people have made some video interviews (such
> as Bernhard Wagner or Fabio's friend Xavier who interviewed all of us in
> Rome a few years ago). Maybe more people could contribute similar video
> material......."
>



-- 
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org
Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos

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>I=20think=20that=20a=20documentary=20of=20the=20live=20looping=20festivals=
=20would=20be=20more
>manageable=20and=20perhaps=20meaningful=20to=20this=20crowd.=20=20Making=
=20a=20full
>fledged=20documentary=20about=20looping=20seems=20a=20really=20immense=20p=
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>benefit=20of=20access=20to=20most=20everyone=20involved.
>
>Personally=20I=20think=20it=20would=20be=20a=20fantastic=20project=20that=
=20would=20appeal
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>Speaking=20of=20documentaries,=20anyone=20else=20watched=20Between=20the=
=20Folds?=20=20I
>don't=20say=20this=20often=20or=20lightly,=20but=20this=20movie=20blew=20m=
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>enjoys=20thinking=20should=20give=20up=20an=20hour=20and=20absorb=20it.=20=
=20And=20really,=20its
>no=20so=20very=20different=20than=20looping=20if=20you=20think=20about=20i=
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>Kevin
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>On=20Mon,=20Jul=2023,=202012=20at=201:41=20PM,=20Rick=20Walker=20<looppool=
@cruzio.com>=20wrote:
>>For=20what=20it's=20worth,=20=20the=20L.A.=20based=20film=20maker/live=20=
video=20artist,=20=20Arkmay
>>(aka=20Mark=20Thorton)=20has=20shot=20an=20entire=20feature
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ing=20Festival=20with
>>very=20extensive=20interviews
>>with=20many=20of=20the=20people=20involved.
>>
>>He's=20been=20swamped=20with=20work=20(how=20great=20for=20him)=20since=
=20he=20moved=20to=20L.A.=20and
>>so=20it's=20been=20very=20slow=20going
>>for=20his=20documentary,=20unfortunately.
>>
>>I=20don't=20know=20if=20he=20still=20intends=20to=20finish=20this=20film=
=20or=20not=20but=20that=20footage
>>exists=20at=20least.
>>
>>I'll=20write=20him=20again=20and=20ask=20him=20what=20is=20up.
>>
>>yours,=20=20=20=20=20Rick
>>
>>
>>
>>On=207/23/12=2012:02=20AM,=20Michael=20Peters=20wrote:
>>
>>"..........I=20know=20that=20several=20people=20have=20made=20some=20vide=
o=20interviews=20(such
>>as=20Bernhard=20Wagner=20or=20Fabio's=20friend=20Xavier=20who=20interview=
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>>Rome=20a=20few=20years=20ago).=20Maybe=20more=20people=20could=20contribu=
te=20similar=20video
>>material......."
>>
>
>
>
>--=20
>Till=20now=20you=20seriously=20considered=20yourself=20to=20be=20the=20bod=
y=20and=20to=20have=20a
>form.=20That=20is=20the=20primal=20ignorance=20which=20is=20the=20root=20c=
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>Sound=20and=20Vision:=20=20http://www.minds-eye.org
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Hi folks,

I had the good fortune to attend three days of the Vision Festival in 
New York this past June, and took a lot of photos, mostly abstracts 
inspired by the wonderful improvised music. I use a camera motion 
technique to create these abstracts (which I call 'Swirlies'), and 
think of them as a photographic form of action painting.

I hope some of the feeling, energy, and expansiveness of the music 
can be seen in these images, which can be seen at 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/sets/72157630705869328/

A smaller set can be seen at 
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151057135872720&set=a.10151057135792720.453741.816422719&type=1&relevant_count=25&ref=nf



BTW Some of my videos can be viewed at
http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld
-- 
" Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better."  -- Paul Bley

		Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D.
Video Producer			Image Processing Specialist
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Hello:=0A=A0=0AI received my Lil Looper on Friday and had two opportunities=
 to try it out. It's a solid unit - looks 'xactly like it's big brother but=
 no expression pedal. Fairly heavy, too even without batteries in it - seem=
s like it's solidly made. It came with a set of AA's and no power supply wh=
ich appears to be becoming the norm for a lot of devices-particularly lower=
 end stuff.=0A=A0=0AAnyway, I was impressed by how little care I had to tak=
e to get a good signal into the unit. I routed a Record Out from my Peavey =
Tube Vypyr into the Lil Looper. The looper recorded flawlessly and getting =
correct start-stop loop points is easy. The second day I routed the Record =
Out to my Mackie mixer and used the send-return to the Lil Looper. The sign=
al needless-to-say was a lot more robust but the looper handled it w/o any =
issues and it sounded flawless coming from my home PA speakers. I like the =
fact that I didn't have to mess around with experimentation getting looping=
 levels set properly. =0A=A0=0AI then routed my electronic drum kit into an=
d, again, had no issues.=A0 Use of the second loop is a little confusing an=
d I need to read the manual again to understand the workflow.=0A=A0=0AIn fa=
ct, reading the manual is essential as there are a lot of "combo" button pr=
esses, etc. to access certain features. =0A=A0=0AAnyway, for $159 USD, the =
Vox Lil Looper is a good value, IMHO.=0A=A0=0ARegards, Paul
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an></div><div><span></span>&nbsp;</div><div><span>I received my Lil Looper =
on Friday and had two opportunities to try it out. It's a solid unit - look=
s 'xactly like it's big brother but no expression pedal. Fairly heavy, too =
even without batteries in it - seems like it's solidly made. It came with a=
 set of AA's and no power supply which appears to be becoming the norm for =
a lot of devices-particularly lower end stuff.</span></div><div><span></spa=
n>&nbsp;</div><div><span>Anyway, I was impressed by how little care I had t=
o take to get a good signal into the unit. I routed a Record Out from my Pe=
avey Tube Vypyr into the Lil Looper. The looper recorded flawlessly and get=
ting correct start-stop loop points is easy. The second day I routed the Re=
cord Out to my Mackie mixer and used the send-return to the Lil
 Looper. The signal needless-to-say was a lot more robust but the looper ha=
ndled it w/o any issues and it sounded flawless coming from my home PA spea=
kers. I like the fact that I didn't have to mess around with experimentatio=
n getting looping levels set properly. </span></div><div><span></span>&nbsp=
;</div><div><span>I then routed my electronic drum kit into and, again, had=
 no issues.&nbsp; Use of the second loop is a little confusing and I need t=
o read the manual again to understand the workflow.</span></div><div><span>=
</span>&nbsp;</div><div><span>In fact, reading the manual is essential as t=
here are a lot of "combo" button presses, etc. to access certain features. =
</span></div><div><span></span>&nbsp;</div><div><span>Anyway, for $159 USD,=
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Hi all,

Tonight's episode of my radio show, the World of Wonder, will have a
30 minute live drum machine/looping improvisation. The show is
pre-recorded, which means the improvisation is too. Also there's about
90 minutes of other fine unusual music, including Tony Allen (Fela
Kuti's drummer), Oval, Rapoon, digitally chopped up jazz, traditional
Thai fiddle music, and Tigrigna music from Eritrea.

It's on tonight at midnight Pacific Time, on:
http://savekusf.org/listen-to-kusf-in-exile

-- 
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusic.com
Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com

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Cool, looking forward... Should be in my iPhone now I guess, since I
subscribe to the podcast.

Greetings from Sweden

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http://www.youtube.com/perboysen


On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 11:08 PM, Matt Davignon <mattdavignon@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Tonight's episode of my radio show, the World of Wonder, will have a
> 30 minute live drum machine/looping improvisation. The show is
> pre-recorded, which means the improvisation is too. Also there's about
> 90 minutes of other fine unusual music, including Tony Allen (Fela
> Kuti's drummer), Oval, Rapoon, digitally chopped up jazz, traditional
> Thai fiddle music, and Tigrigna music from Eritrea.
>
> It's on tonight at midnight Pacific Time, on:
> http://savekusf.org/listen-to-kusf-in-exile
>
> --
> Matt Davignon
> mattdavignon@gmail.com
> www.ribosomemusic.com
> Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
>

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In that case, it'd be in your iPhone tomorrow early afternoon, Swedish time. :)

Matt

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> Cool, looking forward... Should be in my iPhone now I guess, since I
> subscribe to the podcast.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.com
> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 11:08 PM, Matt Davignon <mattdavignon@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Tonight's episode of my radio show, the World of Wonder, will have a
>> 30 minute live drum machine/looping improvisation. The show is
>> pre-recorded, which means the improvisation is too. Also there's about
>> 90 minutes of other fine unusual music, including Tony Allen (Fela
>> Kuti's drummer), Oval, Rapoon, digitally chopped up jazz, traditional
>> Thai fiddle music, and Tigrigna music from Eritrea.
>>
>> It's on tonight at midnight Pacific Time, on:
>> http://savekusf.org/listen-to-kusf-in-exile
>>
>> --
>> Matt Davignon
>> mattdavignon@gmail.com
>> www.ribosomemusic.com
>> Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
>>
>



-- 
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusic.com
Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com

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Wunderful :D

On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Matt Davignon <mattdavignon@gmail.com>wrote:

> In that case, it'd be in your iPhone tomorrow early afternoon, Swedish
> time. :)
>
> Matt
>
> On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Cool, looking forward... Should be in my iPhone now I guess, since I
> > subscribe to the podcast.
> >
> > Greetings from Sweden
> >
> > Per Boysen
> > www.perboysen.com
> > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 11:08 PM, Matt Davignon <mattdavignon@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> Tonight's episode of my radio show, the World of Wonder, will have a
> >> 30 minute live drum machine/looping improvisation. The show is
> >> pre-recorded, which means the improvisation is too. Also there's about
> >> 90 minutes of other fine unusual music, including Tony Allen (Fela
> >> Kuti's drummer), Oval, Rapoon, digitally chopped up jazz, traditional
> >> Thai fiddle music, and Tigrigna music from Eritrea.
> >>
> >> It's on tonight at midnight Pacific Time, on:
> >> http://savekusf.org/listen-to-kusf-in-exile
> >>
> >> --
> >> Matt Davignon
> >> mattdavignon@gmail.com
> >> www.ribosomemusic.com
> >> Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
> >>
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Matt Davignon
> mattdavignon@gmail.com
> www.ribosomemusic.com
> Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
>
>

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Wunderful :D<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 4:29=
 PM, Matt Davignon <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mattdavignon@gma=
il.com" target=3D"_blank">mattdavignon@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
 #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
In that case, it&#39;d be in your iPhone tomorrow early afternoon, Swedish =
time. :)<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Matt<br>
</font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Per Boysen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:perboysen=
@gmail.com">perboysen@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Cool, looking forward... Should be in my iPhone now I guess, since I<b=
r>
&gt; subscribe to the podcast.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Greetings from Sweden<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Per Boysen<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com" target=3D"_blank">www.perboysen.c=
om</a><br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/perboysen" target=3D"_blank">http://=
www.youtube.com/perboysen</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 11:08 PM, Matt Davignon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
mattdavignon@gmail.com">mattdavignon@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; Hi all,<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Tonight&#39;s episode of my radio show, the World of Wonder, will =
have a<br>
&gt;&gt; 30 minute live drum machine/looping improvisation. The show is<br>
&gt;&gt; pre-recorded, which means the improvisation is too. Also there&#39=
;s about<br>
&gt;&gt; 90 minutes of other fine unusual music, including Tony Allen (Fela=
<br>
&gt;&gt; Kuti&#39;s drummer), Oval, Rapoon, digitally chopped up jazz, trad=
itional<br>
&gt;&gt; Thai fiddle music, and Tigrigna music from Eritrea.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; It&#39;s on tonight at midnight Pacific Time, on:<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://savekusf.org/listen-to-kusf-in-exile" target=3D"=
_blank">http://savekusf.org/listen-to-kusf-in-exile</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; --<br>
&gt;&gt; Matt Davignon<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:mattdavignon@gmail.com">mattdavignon@gmail.com</=
a><br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.ribosomemusic.com" target=3D"_blank">www.rib=
osomemusic.com</a><br>
&gt;&gt; Podcast! <a href=3D"http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com" target=3D"_=
blank">http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
--<br>
Matt Davignon<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:mattdavignon@gmail.com">mattdavignon@gmail.com</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.ribosomemusic.com" target=3D"_blank">www.ribosomemusi=
c.com</a><br>
Podcast! <a href=3D"http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com" target=3D"_blank">ht=
tp://ribosomematt.podomatic.com</a><br>
<br>
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a few yrs ago. someone was searching for long delays that had a vari-speed
option in them (like what a lexicon pcm42 or eh 16ddl or digitech pds8000)
can do...and we had a thread exploring that....

in my search over the yrs, i decided to switch gears...can anyone recommend
a short delay pedal that has a good vari-speed option?

i know in the past i've used:
ibanez de7 (2.6 sec)
guyatone md3 (2.6 sec)

and maybe i will have to get another one of them...
just curious if anyone else knew of a delay that had this option....i know
there are a number of analog delays out there that seem to go to 600ms...
i was hoping to get to 1 sec of delay....i remember the old yamaha delay i
had from the late 80s had 1.2 sec, and i used that to good effect for a
long time....
just wondering if anyone had any recommendations...
thanks....
s---
ps-i may have to get out my digitech dl8, i don't really remember it doing
varispeed real well, but maybe i need to try one of the shorter modes....

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<div>a few yrs ago. someone was searching for long delays that had a vari-s=
peed option in them (like what a lexicon pcm42 or eh 16ddl or digitech pds8=
000)</div><div>can do...and we had a thread exploring that....</div><div>
=A0</div><div>in my search over the yrs, i decided to switch gears...can an=
yone recommend a short delay pedal that has a good vari-speed option?</div>=
<div>=A0</div><div>i know in the past i&#39;ve used:</div><div>ibanez de7 (=
2.6 sec)</div>
<div>guyatone md3 (2.6 sec)</div><div>=A0</div><div>and maybe i will have t=
o get another one of them...</div><div>just curious if anyone else knew of =
a delay that had this option....i know there are a number of analog delays =
out there that seem to go to 600ms...</div>
<div>i was hoping to get to 1 sec of delay....i remember the old yamaha del=
ay i had from the late 80s had 1.2 sec, and i used that to good effect for =
a long time....</div><div>just wondering if anyone had any recommendations.=
..</div>
<div>thanks....</div><div>s---</div><div>ps-i may have to get out my digite=
ch dl8, i don&#39;t really remember it doing varispeed real well, but maybe=
 i need to try one of the shorter modes....</div>

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Does anybody know of any arists that do Downtempo style live looping? Im
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<p>Does anybody know of any arists that do Downtempo style live looping? Im interested in this genre and wonder if its livelooping-worthy.</p>

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>
> Speaking of documentaries, anyone else watched Between the Folds?  I
> don't say this often or lightly, but this movie blew my mind.  Its
> ostensibly about paper folding and origami but....


A fabulous documentary - I heartily echo the recommendation.

     ...Tim...

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n:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Speaking of docum=
entaries, anyone else watched Between the Folds? =A0I<br>
don&#39;t say this often or lightly, but this movie blew my mind. =A0Its<br=
>
ostensibly about paper folding and origami but....</blockquote><div>=A0</di=
v><div>A fabulous documentary - I heartily echo the recommendation.</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>=A0 =A0 =A0...Tim...=A0</div></div>

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Hey Scott, check out these videos for the Digitech Timebender. In
particular the first video at about 3:40.
http://timebenderdelay.com/?p=565#more-565

I love this thing and still haven't run out of fun things to do with it.

Jeff

On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 12:13 AM, Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com> wrote:

> a few yrs ago. someone was searching for long delays that had a vari-speed
> option in them (like what a lexicon pcm42 or eh 16ddl or digitech pds8000)
> can do...and we had a thread exploring that....
>
>
>

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Hey Scott, check out these videos for the Digitech Timebender. In particula=
r the first video at about 3:40. <a href=3D"http://timebenderdelay.com/?p=
=3D565#more-565">http://timebenderdelay.com/?p=3D565#more-565</a> <br><br>I=
 love this thing and still haven&#39;t run out of fun things to do with it.=
<br>
<br>Jeff<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 12:13 AM=
, Scott Hansen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:evanpeewee@gmail.com=
" target=3D"_blank">evanpeewee@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>a few yrs ago. someone was searching fo=
r long delays that had a vari-speed option in them (like what a lexicon pcm=
42 or eh 16ddl or digitech pds8000)</div>

<div>can do...and we had a thread exploring that....</div><div>=A0</div><br=
></blockquote></div><br>

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On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:

> *> **Don't think anyone has ref'd this yet but an interview with the
> creator of 'PaulStretch',
> http://www.microscopics.co.uk/blog/2010/paulstretch-an-interview-with-paul-nasca/
> ***
>
>  ****
>
> thanks Jim!  interesting. I was surprised that 9-beet stretch wasn't done
> with Paulstretch but that it rather was an inspiration for Paulstretch.
> What was 9-beet stretch done with then? Hmm ..****
>
> -Michael
>

SND and later CLM apparently: http://www.xn--lyf-yla.com/tech.htm

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Michael Peters =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mp@mpeters.de" target=3D"_blank">mp=
@mpeters.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div lang=3D"DE" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div class=3D"im"><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><i><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1f497d">&gt; </span>=
</i><i><span lang=3D"EN-US">Don&#39;t think anyone has <span>ref&#39;d</spa=
n> this yet but an interview with the creator of &#39;<span>PaulStretch</sp=
an>&#39;, </span><a href=3D"http://www.microscopics.co.uk/blog/2010/paulstr=
etch-an-interview-with-paul-nasca/" target=3D"_blank"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=
http://www.microscopics.co.uk/blog/2010/paulstretch-an-interview-with-paul-=
nasca/</span></a></i><i><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S">thanks Jim!<span>=A0 </span>interesting. I was surprised that 9-beet str=
etch wasn&#39;t done with <span>Paulstretch</span> but that it rather was a=
n inspiration for <span>Paulstretch</span>. What was 9-beet stretch done wi=
th then? Hmm ..<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><u></u><u></u=
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What bout the boss DD7 or DD3?
Peace
g

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

Date: Tue=2C 24 Jul 2012 23:13:43 -0500
Subject: short delays w/ vari-speed options?
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a few yrs ago. someone was searching for long delays that had a vari-speed =
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On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 6:23 AM, kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:
> Does anybody know of any arists that do Downtempo style live looping? Im
> interested in this genre and wonder if its livelooping-worthy.


I never loop live outside the technical tempo range 60 to 120 BPM.
Does that count as "Downtempo Music"?

I wrote "technical tempo" because the musical tempo can be faster if
utilizing double/half tempo, like for example in dub step.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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> On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Matt Davignon <mattdavignon@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> In that case, it'd be in your iPhone tomorrow early afternoon, Swedish
>> time. :)

Ha, ha... see you there then! :-))  A wonderful summer day here in
Stockholm (forecast predicting rain n horror in a few days...) and
early afternoon local time will be perfect for seeking out a nice
downtown coffee bar to enjoy the show.

Per

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I'm a 90bpm kind of guy=2C (unless I'm doing jigs and reels=2C which I've b=
een getting back into lately). I consider myself distinctly downtempo somet=
imes no-tempo. If you type it in to internet radio you'll get a feel for it=
..
Peace
g

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

> Date: Wed=2C 25 Jul 2012 11:37:03 +0200
> Subject: Re: Downtempo Music
> From: perboysen@gmail.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=20
> On Wed=2C Jul 25=2C 2012 at 6:23 AM=2C kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com>=
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> > Does anybody know of any arists that do Downtempo style live looping? I=
m
> > interested in this genre and wonder if its livelooping-worthy.
>=20
>=20
> I never loop live outside the technical tempo range 60 to 120 BPM.
> Does that count as "Downtempo Music"?
>=20
> I wrote "technical tempo" because the musical tempo can be faster if
> utilizing double/half tempo=2C like for example in dub step.
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> Greetings from Sweden
>=20
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> www.perboysen.com
> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
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I'm pretty disappointed, that there is no news/status updates on the "expect=
ed" midi sync if the rang lll. I have not yet emptied my empty bank account f=
or the side car, and unless there is hope for this feature in the fall, I'm a=
fraid I've chosen the wrong pedal(s).=20

So, I'm gonna look into what other, better alternatives are out there, and p=
robably go the laptop (mac) route with a midi controller pedal, or s multi e=
ffect board with built in looping.=20

Thing is, everything will be so much simpler for me, if the loops are automa=
tically quantisized or atleast synced to a specific bpm, as I work a lot wit=
h delays as well as looping at the same time, and those need to ne synced up=
....,

A tiny bit frustrated. I still think its a great pedal though.

Best Regards
torbenscharling.com

On 20/07/2012, at 17.21, Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk> wrote:

> I didn't mention these but you might want to contact him if you like..
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> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:04:04 +0000
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> And for the mute function and the pause function?
> They would be so cool!
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> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:16:15 +0000
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I've been looking around for an "instant stack" looping pedal but=2C like y=
ou=2C I'm getting a bit frustrated by the lack of flexibility with hardware=
. I went back to Audiomulch running Augustusloop this morning using a small=
 Zoom=2C pedal (the snazzily titled "G2.1u") as a pre-amp and audio interfa=
ce and a Korg Nanokontrol to capture loops=2C (with my bare feet) - Bliss!!=
! It also has the added bonus of being completely independent of mains powe=
r which=2C in combination with my Roland street cube amp=2C allows me to go=
 anywhere and play/make live recordings..
Peace=2C
G

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

Subject: Re: Boomerang 3 midi sync
From: torbenscharling@gmail.com
Date: Wed=2C 25 Jul 2012 13:46:27 +0200
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

I'm pretty disappointed=2C that there is no news/status updates on the "exp=
ected" midi sync if the rang lll. I have not yet emptied my empty bank acco=
unt for the side car=2C and unless there is hope for this feature in the fa=
ll=2C I'm afraid I've chosen the wrong pedal(s).=20
So=2C I'm gonna look into what other=2C better alternatives are out there=
=2C and probably go the laptop (mac) route with a midi controller pedal=2C =
or s multi effect board with built in looping.=20
Thing is=2C everything will be so much simpler for me=2C if the loops are a=
utomatically quantisized or atleast synced to a specific bpm=2C as I work a=
 lot with delays as well as looping at the same time=2C and those need to n=
e synced up....=2C
A tiny bit frustrated. I still think its a great pedal though.
Best Regardstorbenscharling.com
On 20/07/2012=2C at 17.21=2C Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk> wro=
te:





I didn't mention these but you might want to contact him if you like..
G

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

From: simpliflying@gmail.com
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Boomerang 3 midi sync
Date: Fri=2C 20 Jul 2012 15:04:04 +0000





And for the mute function and the pause function?They would be so cool!

From: buddhamachine@live.co.uk
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Boomerang 3 midi sync
Date: Thu=2C 19 Jul 2012 11:16:15 +0000





Just had an email from Mike Nelson of Boomerang. Apparently MIDI sync is wo=
rking but they are adding enhancements before releasing it :-)No plans for =
instant stack mode though :-(

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co..uk

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ou=2C I'm getting a bit frustrated by the lack of flexibility with hardware=
. I went back to Audiomulch running Augustusloop this morning using a small=
 Zoom=2C pedal&nbsp=3B(the snazzily titled "G2.1u")&nbsp=3Bas a pre-amp and=
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ntisized or atleast synced to a specific bpm=2C as I work a lot with delays=
 as well as looping at the same time=2C and those need to ne synced up....=
=2C</div><div><br></div><div>A tiny bit frustrated. I still think its a gre=
at pedal though.</div><div><br>Best Regards</div><div><a href=3D"http://tor=
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Greetings All,

Anyone know of a Looperlative LP1 for sale?

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Sorry I didn't even see Gareth's first message, which, if recent news
(they do sound similar to the ones we got back in spring), is a nice
update to the status.

Though I'm still not sure how long those enhancements are gonna take,
before they release it, and how long I'll be able to wait for it.
Would be super cool to get a beta, but I don't wanna unnecessarily bug
them with emails about midi sync, as it seems some of you guys keep up
nicely on this topic for us :)

On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Torben Scharling
<torbenscharling@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm pretty disappointed, that there is no news/status updates on the
> "expected" midi sync if the rang lll. I have not yet emptied my empty bank
> account for the side car, and unless there is hope for this feature in the
> fall, I'm afraid I've chosen the wrong pedal(s).
>
> So, I'm gonna look into what other, better alternatives are out there, and
> probably go the laptop (mac) route with a midi controller pedal, or s multi
> effect board with built in looping.
>
> Thing is, everything will be so much simpler for me, if the loops are
> automatically quantisized or atleast synced to a specific bpm, as I work a
> lot with delays as well as looping at the same time, and those need to ne
> synced up....,
>
> A tiny bit frustrated. I still think its a great pedal though.
>
> Best Regards
> torbenscharling.com
>
> On 20/07/2012, at 17.21, Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I didn't mention these but you might want to contact him if you like..
>
> G
>
> Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk
>
> ________________________________
> From: simpliflying@gmail.com
> To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: RE: Boomerang 3 midi sync
> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:04:04 +0000
>
> And for the mute function and the pause function?
> They would be so cool!
>
> ________________________________
> From: buddhamachine@live.co.uk
> To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Boomerang 3 midi sync
> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:16:15 +0000
>
> Just had an email from Mike Nelson of Boomerang. Apparently MIDI sync is
> working but they are adding enhancements before releasing it :-)
> No plans for instant stack mode though :-(
>
> Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co..uk
>



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Cool, that Nanokontrol looks super portable :)

See that's my next issue, how to cheaply make a battery DIY pack or
something, that will power the rang and side car. So far I haven't
found out which solution to go with, as I would love to get a fully
battery powered rig thrown together. But I don't wanna stress my
macbook pro and it's battery, so luckily my keyboard takes batteries,
and I think I'll be going with the Traynor TVM50 battery powered amp:
http://www.musiciansbuy.com/mb/itemm.asp?IC=TVM50

And then for battery powering the pedals there's things like the
Eneloop Pedal Juice, but I think I'll run out of ohm or juice with
those two + a Boss LS-2 line selector, they're also a bit expensive.

So I'm gonna look into cheaper alternatives, perhaps some 9v battery
DIY'ing, or even bigger than that. If anyone is using the Rang or
similar power hungry pedals, with a portable battery setup, please
chime in :)

On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Gareth Whittock
<buddhamachine@live.co.uk> wrote:
> I've been looking around for an "instant stack" looping pedal but, like you,
> I'm getting a bit frustrated by the lack of flexibility with hardware. I
> went back to Audiomulch running Augustusloop this morning using a small
> Zoom, pedal (the snazzily titled "G2.1u") as a pre-amp and audio interface
> and a Korg Nanokontrol to capture loops, (with my bare feet) - Bliss!!!
> It also has the added bonus of being completely independent of mains power
> which, in combination with my Roland street cube amp, allows me to go
> anywhere and play/make live recordings..
>
> Peace,
>
> G

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It's been quite a few weeks since I've touched my keyboard. But finally got
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I took a look at the internal supply voltage of the Rang III and found it was about 12VDC (RMS, didn't check the ripple) when using the supplied adapter. So I think you would be safe with a 12VDC battery like those found in UPS units. These are available in many capacities and form factors and the prices are reasonable. They can be recharged but you'll need to find a proper charger for the Ah rating you use. Also you need to be sure the battery is not connected to audio ground or any other pedals since an isolated supply is important. Anyway, I'm pretty sure this would work and be reasonably cost effective.

G


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>DIY'ing, or even bigger than that. If anyone is using the Rang or
>similar power hungry pedals, with a portable battery setup, please
>chime in :)

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...anyone doing this?

I am using Echoloop VST, and I want my dummy clips to change the =
quantize 8ths setting: one clip to set it to 2, one for 4, one for 8, =
one for 16, etc.

I can set it up to a point where it's working, but due to the "relative" =
nature of the envelope controls, it gets out of kilter again fairly =
quick.=20

Similar probs with menu-bound params: i.e., InsertModemenu is a list of =
absolute things in absolute positions, but the clip envelope will only =
make relative changes... and there is no 'null' position on the menu for =
when I want no change... gah !

Any experts?

Phil :)




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Hi Phil,

There's an alternative way of using controller clips in Live that I've
had more success with than using the Clip Envelop function. That is to
simply load a MIDI clip with the MIDI event needed for the looper
plugin to perform a certain task. Then set up a MIDI signal route to
pipe that clip's content into the plugin; I've found the Mac system's
IAC Bus good for that (system built-in MIDI path - for Widows there's
a hack called MIDI-OX that sets up a similar thing). Finally, if the
looper function you are targeting works with the Looper's quantization
you must make sure that the MIDI Control Clips in Live are not
quantized in Live; if they are the MIDI event might arrive late to the
Looper plugin. Looping musicians typically develop the habit of
kicking a pedal a few milliseconds early for such quantized commands.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Phil Clevenger
<phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...anyone doing this?
>
> I am using Echoloop VST, and I want my dummy clips to change the quantize 8ths setting: one clip to set it to 2, one for 4, one for 8, one for 16, etc.
>
> I can set it up to a point where it's working, but due to the "relative" nature of the envelope controls, it gets out of kilter again fairly quick.
>
> Similar probs with menu-bound params: i.e., InsertModemenu is a list of absolute things in absolute positions, but the clip envelope will only make relative changes... and there is no 'null' position on the menu for when I want no change... gah !
>
> Any experts?
>
> Phil :)
>
>
>
>

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I managed to track a copy of this down this morning but it crashes Audiomul=
ch - anyone?
Peace=2C
G

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

> Date: Thu=2C 26 Jul 2012 11:25:31 +0200
> Subject: Re: Switching Echoloop VST Params Using Ableton Dummy Clips
> From: perboysen@gmail.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=20
> Hi Phil=2C
>=20
> There's an alternative way of using controller clips in Live that I've
> had more success with than using the Clip Envelop function. That is to
> simply load a MIDI clip with the MIDI event needed for the looper
> plugin to perform a certain task. Then set up a MIDI signal route to
> pipe that clip's content into the plugin=3B I've found the Mac system's
> IAC Bus good for that (system built-in MIDI path - for Widows there's
> a hack called MIDI-OX that sets up a similar thing). Finally=2C if the
> looper function you are targeting works with the Looper's quantization
> you must make sure that the MIDI Control Clips in Live are not
> quantized in Live=3B if they are the MIDI event might arrive late to the
> Looper plugin. Looping musicians typically develop the habit of
> kicking a pedal a few milliseconds early for such quantized commands.
>=20
> Greetings from Sweden
>=20
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.com
> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>=20
>=20
> On Thu=2C Jul 26=2C 2012 at 9:55 AM=2C Phil Clevenger
> <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ...anyone doing this?
> >
> > I am using Echoloop VST=2C and I want my dummy clips to change the quan=
tize 8ths setting: one clip to set it to 2=2C one for 4=2C one for 8=2C one=
 for 16=2C etc.
> >
> > I can set it up to a point where it's working=2C but due to the "relati=
ve" nature of the envelope controls=2C it gets out of kilter again fairly q=
uick.
> >
> > Similar probs with menu-bound params: i.e.=2C InsertModemenu is a list =
of absolute things in absolute positions=2C but the clip envelope will only=
 make relative changes... and there is no 'null' position on the menu for w=
hen I want no change... gah !
> >
> > Any experts?
> >
> > Phil :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
>=20
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I managed to track a copy of this down this morning but it crashes Audiomul=
ch - anyone?<div><br></div><div>Peace=2C</div><div><br></div><div>G<br><br>=
Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: <a href=3D"http://garethwhittock.co.uk" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">garethwhittock.co.uk</a><br><br><div><div id=3D"SkyDrivePla=
ceholder"></div>&gt=3B Date: Thu=2C 26 Jul 2012 11:25:31 +0200<br>&gt=3B Su=
bject: Re: Switching Echoloop VST Params Using Ableton Dummy Clips<br>&gt=
=3B From: perboysen@gmail.com<br>&gt=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight=
.com<br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B Hi Phil=2C<br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B There's an altern=
ative way of using controller clips in Live that I've<br>&gt=3B had more su=
ccess with than using the Clip Envelop function. That is to<br>&gt=3B simpl=
y load a MIDI clip with the MIDI event needed for the looper<br>&gt=3B plug=
in to perform a certain task. Then set up a MIDI signal route to<br>&gt=3B =
pipe that clip's content into the plugin=3B I've found the Mac system's<br>=
&gt=3B IAC Bus good for that (system built-in MIDI path - for Widows there'=
s<br>&gt=3B a hack called MIDI-OX that sets up a similar thing). Finally=2C=
 if the<br>&gt=3B looper function you are targeting works with the Looper's=
 quantization<br>&gt=3B you must make sure that the MIDI Control Clips in L=
ive are not<br>&gt=3B quantized in Live=3B if they are the MIDI event might=
 arrive late to the<br>&gt=3B Looper plugin. Looping musicians typically de=
velop the habit of<br>&gt=3B kicking a pedal a few milliseconds early for s=
uch quantized commands.<br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B Greetings from Sweden<br>&gt=
=3B <br>&gt=3B Per Boysen<br>&gt=3B www.perboysen.com<br>&gt=3B http://www.=
youtube.com/perboysen<br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B On Thu=2C Jul 26=2C 2=
012 at 9:55 AM=2C Phil Clevenger<br>&gt=3B &lt=3Bphil.clevenger@gmail.com&g=
t=3B wrote:<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B ...anyone doing this?<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B<br>&gt=
=3B &gt=3B I am using Echoloop VST=2C and I want my dummy clips to change t=
he quantize 8ths setting: one clip to set it to 2=2C one for 4=2C one for 8=
=2C one for 16=2C etc.<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B I can set it up to=
 a point where it's working=2C but due to the "relative" nature of the enve=
lope controls=2C it gets out of kilter again fairly quick.<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B=
<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B Similar probs with menu-bound params: i.e.=2C InsertModem=
enu is a list of absolute things in absolute positions=2C but the clip enve=
lope will only make relative changes... and there is no 'null' position on =
the menu for when I want no change... gah !<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B<br>&gt=3B &gt=
=3B Any experts?<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B Phil :)<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B=
<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B<br>&gt=3B <br></div></d=
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Very nice!



On Jul 26, 2012, at 8:52 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote:

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Very nice. Held my interest, which is a great achievement!

 

Which M-Audio keyboard controller is that? I have an Oxygen which I hate
because the key springs feel so spongy. Do you like the feel of the keys?

 

Keep up the great work!

 

Brian

 

 

From: kay'lon rushing [mailto:k3zz21@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 7:53 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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It's been quite a few weeks since I've touched my keyboard. But finally got
around to it. This isnt 100% improvised because od me wanting to maintain
the same musical idea throughout the 10-15 tries it took to record one i
liked. Let me know what you guys think! Thanks :) Link below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__aRoZ_6JkE
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__aRoZ_6JkE&feature=youtube_gdata_player>
&feature=youtube_gdata_player


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Thought a few BOSS RC folks might be interested..

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Thanks Per. Looking at that right now.

One question: what is the role of the IAC bus? Ableton should let me direct
MIDI directly to the plugin, yes?

Phil :)

On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 2:25 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Phil,
>
> There's an alternative way of using controller clips in Live that I've
> had more success with than using the Clip Envelop function. That is to
> simply load a MIDI clip with the MIDI event needed for the looper
> plugin to perform a certain task. Then set up a MIDI signal route to
> pipe that clip's content into the plugin; I've found the Mac system's
> IAC Bus good for that (system built-in MIDI path - for Widows there's
> a hack called MIDI-OX that sets up a similar thing). Finally, if the
> looper function you are targeting works with the Looper's quantization
> you must make sure that the MIDI Control Clips in Live are not
> quantized in Live; if they are the MIDI event might arrive late to the
> Looper plugin. Looping musicians typically develop the habit of
> kicking a pedal a few milliseconds early for such quantized commands.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.com
> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Phil Clevenger
> <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ...anyone doing this?
> >
> > I am using Echoloop VST, and I want my dummy clips to change the
> quantize 8ths setting: one clip to set it to 2, one for 4, one for 8, one
> for 16, etc.
> >
> > I can set it up to a point where it's working, but due to the "relative"
> nature of the envelope controls, it gets out of kilter again fairly quick.
> >
> > Similar probs with menu-bound params: i.e., InsertModemenu is a list of
> absolute things in absolute positions, but the clip envelope will only make
> relative changes... and there is no 'null' position on the menu for when I
> want no change... gah !
> >
> > Any experts?
> >
> > Phil :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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Thanks Per. Looking at that right now.=A0<div><br></div><div>One question: =
what is the role of the IAC bus? Ableton should let me direct MIDI directly=
 to the plugin, yes?</div><div><br></div><div>Phil :)<br><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote">
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 2:25 AM, Per Boysen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">perboysen@gmail.com</a>&g=
t;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0=
 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi Phil,<br>
<br>
There&#39;s an alternative way of using controller clips in Live that I&#39=
;ve<br>
had more success with than using the Clip Envelop function. That is to<br>
simply load a MIDI clip with the MIDI event needed for the looper<br>
plugin to perform a certain task. Then set up a MIDI signal route to<br>
pipe that clip&#39;s content into the plugin; I&#39;ve found the Mac system=
&#39;s<br>
IAC Bus good for that (system built-in MIDI path - for Widows there&#39;s<b=
r>
a hack called MIDI-OX that sets up a similar thing). Finally, if the<br>
looper function you are targeting works with the Looper&#39;s quantization<=
br>
you must make sure that the MIDI Control Clips in Live are not<br>
quantized in Live; if they are the MIDI event might arrive late to the<br>
Looper plugin. Looping musicians typically develop the habit of<br>
kicking a pedal a few milliseconds early for such quantized commands.<br>
<br>
Greetings from Sweden<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Per Boysen<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com" target=3D"_blank">www.perboysen.com</a=
><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/perboysen" target=3D"_blank">http://www.y=
outube.com/perboysen</a><br>
</font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Phil Clevenger<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phil.clevenger@gmail.com">phil.clevenger@gmail.com</a=
>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; ...anyone doing this?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I am using Echoloop VST, and I want my dummy clips to change the quant=
ize 8ths setting: one clip to set it to 2, one for 4, one for 8, one for 16=
, etc.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I can set it up to a point where it&#39;s working, but due to the &quo=
t;relative&quot; nature of the envelope controls, it gets out of kilter aga=
in fairly quick.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Similar probs with menu-bound params: i.e., InsertModemenu is a list o=
f absolute things in absolute positions, but the clip envelope will only ma=
ke relative changes... and there is no &#39;null&#39; position on the menu =
for when I want no change... gah !<br>

&gt;<br>
&gt; Any experts?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Phil :)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
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you know what--i had put away my digitech DL8....so i got it back out and
put it in my setup....
i never really used the analog or the tape options much.... usuallyi used
the DL8 for  the 1 sec or 2 sec digital delay, record my little noises to
it, warp/mangle it, if i need to
add stuff, i just put the feedback to less than 100%, add and continue....

but the analog and the tape are kind of fun to mangle stuff up w/
granted they are not long...i think they may be a sec or less...but they
sort of allow you to do the "Tommy Bolin Tape Echoplex noises"
and i then just record them to my behringer tweakalizer...which i got back
out....

in messing w/ the tape and analog delays in the DL8...i do sort of wish
someone would put out a decent or better "delay-based looper"...
although i would say the pigtonix echolution is probably the best out there
currently....granted it's a bit pricey, but it does decent 12 sec  of
loops...

i sort of wish EH would take the 30 sec of looping the SMMH has and just
make it a delay based looper, sort of like a hybrid 16ddl-updated....
guess i'm just wishing again....

i will say my new setup of zoom g3-trombetta minibone-digitech dl8-eh
smmh-behringer tweakalizer-lexicon mx200....has been working fine...gives
me lots of options for making my
noise fun....
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and put it in my setup....</div><div>i never really used the analog or the =
tape options=A0much.... usuallyi used the DL8 for=A0 the 1 sec or 2 sec dig=
ital delay, record my little noises to it, warp/mangle it, if i need to</di=
v>
<div>add stuff, i just put the feedback to less than 100%, add and continue=
....</div><div>=A0</div><div>but the analog and the tape are kind of fun to=
 mangle stuff up w/ </div><div>granted they are not long...i think they may=
 be a sec or less...but they sort of allow you to do the &quot;Tommy Bolin =
Tape Echoplex noises&quot;</div>
<div>and i then just record them to my behringer tweakalizer...which i got =
back out....</div><div>=A0</div><div>in messing w/ the tape and analog dela=
ys in the DL8...i do sort of wish someone would put out a decent or better=
=A0&quot;delay-based looper&quot;...</div>
<div>although i would say the pigtonix echolution is probably the best out =
there currently....granted it&#39;s a bit pricey, but it does decent 12 sec=
 =A0of loops...</div><div>=A0</div><div>i sort of wish EH would take the 30=
 sec of looping the SMMH has and just make it a delay based looper, sort of=
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<div>guess i&#39;m just wishing again....</div><div>=A0</div><div>i will sa=
y my new setup of zoom g3-trombetta minibone-digitech dl8-eh smmh-behringer=
 tweakalizer-lexicon mx200....has been working fine...gives me lots of opti=
ons for making my </div>
<div>noise fun....</div><div>s---</div>

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Thanks guys! This is the Axiom 61. Basically the Oxygen's big brother
because it has almost the exact same layout. I actually upgraded to this
from the oxygen for that reason.  Since Im primarily a keyboardist I needed
some better feeling keys. The axiom claims to be semi-weighted keys. They
do feel better than the oxygen but Im not sure i'd classify it as semi
wighted because they still feel quite springy. And to me the velocity
sensitivity sucks but I manage to deal with it since I got this thing with
the stand for only $250 when it was in the market for like $400. Again
thanks for the feedback
On Jul 26, 2012 7:35 AM, "BC" <compguy2@comcast.net> wrote:

> Very nice. Held my interest, which is a great achievement!****
>
> ** **
>
> Which M-Audio keyboard controller is that? I have an Oxygen which I hate
> because the key springs feel so spongy. Do you like the feel of the keys?*
> ***
>
> ** **
>
> Keep up the great work!****
>
> ** **
>
> Brian****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* kay'lon rushing [mailto:k3zz21@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 25, 2012 7:53 PM
> *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> *Subject:* New live looping video finally!****
>
> ** **
>
> It's been quite a few weeks since I've touched my keyboard. But finally
> got around to it. This isnt 100% improvised because od me wanting to
> maintain the same musical idea throughout the 10-15 tries it took to record
> one i liked. Let me know what you guys think! Thanks :) Link below****
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__aRoZ_6JkE&feature=youtube_gdata_player**
> **
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<p>Thanks guys! This is the Axiom 61. Basically the Oxygen&#39;s big brothe=
r because it has almost the exact same layout. I actually upgraded to this =
from the oxygen for that reason.=A0 Since Im primarily a keyboardist I need=
ed some better feeling keys. The axiom claims to be semi-weighted keys. The=
y do feel better than the oxygen but Im not sure i&#39;d classify it as sem=
i wighted because they still feel quite springy. And to me the velocity sen=
sitivity sucks but I manage to deal with it since I got this thing with the=
 stand for only $250 when it was in the market for like $400. Again thanks =
for the feedback</p>

<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jul 26, 2012 7:35 AM, &quot;BC&quot; &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:compguy2@comcast.net">compguy2@comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 =
0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;s=
ans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Very nice. Held my interest, which is a grea=
t achievement!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Which M-Audio keyboard=
 controller is that? I have an Oxygen which I hate because the key springs =
feel so spongy. Do you like the feel of the keys?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Keep up the great work=
!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Brian<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=A0<u></u></span><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> kay&#39;=
lon rushing [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:k3zz21@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">k=
3zz21@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 25, 2012 7:53 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mail=
to:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" target=3D"_blank">Loopers-Delight@l=
oopers-delight.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> New live looping video finally!<u=
></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=A0<u></u></p><p>It&#39;s been quite a few we=
eks since I&#39;ve touched my keyboard. But finally got around to it. This =
isnt 100% improvised because od me wanting to maintain the same musical ide=
a throughout the 10-15 tries it took to record one i liked. Let me know wha=
t you guys think! Thanks :) Link below<u></u><u></u></p>
<p><a href=3D"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D__aRoZ_6JkE&amp;feature=3Dy=
outube_gdata_player" target=3D"_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D__=
aRoZ_6JkE&amp;feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_player</a><u></u><u></u></p></div></d=
iv></blockquote>
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<head><style>body{font-size:10pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}p{margin:0px;}</style></head><body><font color="#000000"><font size="2"><font face="arial,sans-serif">kudos Scott for the mention of late great guitar guy Tommy Bolin who has an anthology of music coming out soon. he had A sound!</font></font></font><div><font color="#000000"><font size="2"><font face="arial,sans-serif">also-sad-when i bought the EH 16 sec delay reissue-thinking it really would do what the original did! what a disappointment-all that time &gt;240&lt; sec. of warpability-wow! too bad it was only a commercial ploy calling it a &gt;16 second ddl&lt;.<br></font></font></font><blockquote style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid">-----Original Message-----
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<br><br><div>you know what--i had put away my digitech DL8....so i got it back out and put it in my setup....</div><div>i never really used the analog or the tape options&nbsp;much.... usuallyi used the DL8 for&nbsp; the 1 sec or 2 sec digital delay, record my little noises to it, warp/mangle it, if i need to</div>
<div>add stuff, i just put the feedback to less than 100%, add and continue....</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>but the analog and the tape are kind of fun to mangle stuff up w/ </div><div>granted they are not long...i think they may be a sec or less...but they sort of allow you to do the "Tommy Bolin Tape Echoplex noises"</div>
<div>and i then just record them to my behringer tweakalizer...which i got back out....</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>in messing w/ the tape and analog delays in the DL8...i do sort of wish someone would put out a decent or better&nbsp;"delay-based looper"...</div>
<div>although i would say the pigtonix echolution is probably the best out there currently....granted it's a bit pricey, but it does decent 12 sec &nbsp;of loops...</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>i sort of wish EH would take the 30 sec of looping the SMMH has and just make it a delay based looper, sort of like a hybrid 16ddl-updated....</div>
<div>guess i'm just wishing again....</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>i will say my new setup of zoom g3-trombetta minibone-digitech dl8-eh smmh-behringer tweakalizer-lexicon mx200....has been working fine...gives me lots of options for making my </div>
<div>noise fun....</div><div>s---</div>
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Hi all, =0A=0Aback in 2007 I was running a stereo looping system with 2 Gib=
son Echoplex rackmounts.=A0 Since then, I went with a Looperlative LP1.=A0 =
I kept the Echoplex's, but now it's time to move on...so...I have two Gibso=
n Echoplex's on consignment sale at Guitar Showcase in San Jose, CA.=A0 The=
 price is $449 each and you'll be purchasing them from a store so they will=
 add sales tax.=A0 They are not being sold as a set, but both are currently=
 available if you want to run a stereo setup like I did.=A0 Each has a big =
manual, one of which has an addendum explaining how to run them in stereo.=
=A0 Neither has the Gibson footswitch, so you'll want to have some kind of =
midi keyboard controller or pedalboard to get at the full set of functions =
(I used an inexpensive Behringer FCB1010 with them and it worked great.)=A0=
 They're both in perfect working condition.=0A=0A=0AIf you're in the area, =
you can check them out at the Guitar Showcase consignment shop at 3090 S Ba=
scom Ave, San Jose.=A0 If you're not in the area but want to purchase one (=
or both if available), contact the Guitar Showcase Store Mgr Dan Aronie at =
408-377-5864.=A0 Guitar Showcase does do long distance sales and shipping, =
call Dan and get the firsthand info. =0A=0A=0AThanks,=0ADennis=0A=0A*******=
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mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Hi all, <b=
r></span></div><div><span>back in 2007 I was running a stereo looping syste=
m with 2 Gibson Echoplex rackmounts.&nbsp; Since then, I went with a Looper=
lative LP1.&nbsp; I kept the Echoplex's, but now it's time to move on...so.=
..I have two Gibson Echoplex's on consignment sale at Guitar Showcase in Sa=
n Jose, CA.&nbsp; The price is $449 each and you'll be purchasing them from=
 a store so they will add sales tax.&nbsp; They are not being sold as a set=
, but both are currently available if you want to run a stereo setup like I=
 did.&nbsp; Each has a big manual, one of which has an addendum explaining =
how to run them in stereo.&nbsp; Neither has the Gibson footswitch, so you'=
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On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 9:54 PM, Phil Clevenger
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> One question: what is the role of the IAC bus? Ableton should let me direct
> MIDI directly to the plugin, yes?


On a Mac computer the IAC Bus is part of Core MIDI, ie the built-in
MIDI support. A "virtual MIDI patchbay", if you so like, inside the
Mac OS X. If enabled in OS X the IAC Busses show up among all other
available MIDI ports inside Live's preferences. Note that you have to
activate it also in Live for the functionality you want to use it for.
To enable the IAC Bus on the computer you need to launch "Applications
/ Utilities / Audio MIDI Setup" and look for the right box to tic.

Good luck

Per

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Many thanks Per. Between your comments here, your legacy stuff on LD, and
this fine article:
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb09/articles/livetech_0209.htm#Top , I've
made a lot of progress.

Have my IAC 'patch bay' up and working.

Mapped Korg nanoPad2 pad to a MIDI clip in the MIDI track, the pad is
triggering the clip. MIDI track is monitoring IN in Auto mode.

The clip is sending a number of known echoloop/edp DirectMidi notes
designated in the piano roll.

MIDI track out is set to IAC bus 1, ch 1.

Loop VST is in adjoining Audio track.

What I seem to be missing somehow are these two things:

1) How is the Midi note conveyed to the plugin in teh adjacent Audio track?
Because the plugin is not hearing it :)

2) Is there something I need to do withe the "Midi Ctrl' Envelopes menu for
the MIDI clip in question?

So much silliness :)  I am thinking of trying that Kapture plug in, but it
will only capture snapshots, not discrete changes, so I'd really prefer to
get this working :D

Phil :)



On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 9:54 PM, Phil Clevenger
> <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
> > One question: what is the role of the IAC bus? Ableton should let me
> direct
> > MIDI directly to the plugin, yes?
>
>
> On a Mac computer the IAC Bus is part of Core MIDI, ie the built-in
> MIDI support. A "virtual MIDI patchbay", if you so like, inside the
> Mac OS X. If enabled in OS X the IAC Busses show up among all other
> available MIDI ports inside Live's preferences. Note that you have to
> activate it also in Live for the functionality you want to use it for.
> To enable the IAC Bus on the computer you need to launch "Applications
> / Utilities / Audio MIDI Setup" and look for the right box to tic.
>
> Good luck
>
> Per
>
>

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Many thanks Per. Between your comments here, your legacy stuff on LD, and t=
his fine article:=A0<a href=3D"http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb09/articl=
es/livetech_0209.htm#Top">http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb09/articles/li=
vetech_0209.htm#Top</a> , I&#39;ve made a lot of progress.<div>
<br></div><div>Have my IAC &#39;patch bay&#39; up and working.</div><div><b=
r></div><div>Mapped Korg nanoPad2 pad to a MIDI clip in the MIDI track, the=
 pad is triggering the clip. MIDI track is monitoring IN in Auto mode.</div=
>
<div><br></div><div>The clip is sending a number of known echoloop/edp Dire=
ctMidi notes designated in the piano roll.</div><div><br></div><div>MIDI tr=
ack out is set to IAC bus 1, ch 1.</div><div><br></div><div>Loop VST is in =
adjoining Audio track.</div>
<div><br></div><div>What I seem to be missing somehow are these two things:=
</div><div><br></div><div>1) How is the Midi note conveyed to the plugin in=
 teh adjacent Audio track? Because the plugin is not hearing it :)</div>
<div><br></div><div>2) Is there something I need to do withe the &quot;Midi=
 Ctrl&#39; Envelopes menu for the MIDI clip in question?</div><div><br></di=
v><div>So much silliness :) =A0I am thinking of trying that Kapture plug in=
, but it will only capture snapshots, not discrete changes, so I&#39;d real=
ly prefer to get this working :D</div>
<div><br></div><div>Phil :)</div><div><br></div><div><br><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Per Boysen <span dir=3D"ltr">=
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">perboysen@gmai=
l.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 9:=
54 PM, Phil Clevenger<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phil.clevenger@gmail.com">phil.clevenger@gmail.com</a=
>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; One question: what is the role of the IAC bus? Ableton should let me d=
irect<br>
&gt; MIDI directly to the plugin, yes?<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>On a Mac computer the IAC Bus is part of Core MIDI, ie the built-in<b=
r>
MIDI support. A &quot;virtual MIDI patchbay&quot;, if you so like, inside t=
he<br>
Mac OS X. If enabled in OS X the IAC Busses show up among all other<br>
available MIDI ports inside Live&#39;s preferences. Note that you have to<b=
r>
activate it also in Live for the functionality you want to use it for.<br>
To enable the IAC Bus on the computer you need to launch &quot;Applications=
<br>
/ Utilities / Audio MIDI Setup&quot; and look for the right box to tic.<br>
<br>
Good luck<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Per<br>
<br>
</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>

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On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Phil Clevenger
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> 1) How is the Midi note conveyed to the plugin in teh adjacent Audio track?
> Because the plugin is not hearing it :)
>

It might be that a plugin on an Audio Track can't react on MIDI in
Live. If that is the case you can try to put the Echoloop VST on a
MIDI/Instrument Track instead.

> 2) Is there something I need to do withe the "Midi Ctrl' Envelopes menu for
> the MIDI clip in question?

Please note that the Echoloop doesn't work as normal plugins, since it
is designed to act like an EDP; reacting to pre defined note numbers
(or CC's). I might be wrong here, but I don't think the Echoloop
reports all its parameters to the host and this is why Live's Clip
Envelope stuff doesn't affect Echoloop. This is why I recommended
using the IAC instead.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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http://www.youtube.com/perboysen

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Hi
while we=B4re on the subject of Echoloop, can someone tell me how one goes
about creating and changing "presets", (to use an EDP term). I can see how
to select different Insert Modes for example, but how do I change them "on
the fly" from a foot pedal? I also need to get into SuS Record and Stutter
mode too... (I can see how to do that too, but not how to make a "snapshot"
of settings that I can bring up with one foot press.
On my EDPs I have one bank that has all the Presets I need, 1 thru 5 (then
they are repeated on pedal numbers 6 thru 10, except the have Midi set OUT
(for receiving clock from the drum machine instead of sending clock)

On my software setup (Mobius and Echoloop in Audio Mulch) I dont know how
to do this and have to bend over and select stuff with the mouse, which is
less than OK.

Mark

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Hi<br>while we=B4re on the subject of Echoloop, can someone tell me how one=
 goes about creating and changing &quot;presets&quot;, (to use an EDP term)=
. I can see how to select different Insert Modes for example, but how do I =
change them &quot;on the fly&quot; from a foot pedal? I also need to get in=
to SuS Record and Stutter mode too... (I can see how to do that too, but no=
t how to make a &quot;snapshot&quot; of settings that I can bring up with o=
ne foot press.<br>

On my EDPs I have one bank that has all the Presets I need, 1 thru 5 (then =
they are repeated on pedal numbers 6 thru 10, except the have Midi set OUT =
(for receiving clock from the drum machine instead of sending clock)<br>

<br>On my software setup (Mobius and Echoloop in Audio Mulch) I dont know h=
ow to do this and have to bend over and select stuff with the mouse, which =
is less than OK.<br><br>Mark<br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><i style=3D"font-f=
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Per you are correct - looks like the VST wants to be in a MIDI track. Once
there, it can hear the IAC MIDI notes, and best of all, now I can make
absolute assignments from a controller pad !

Thanks Per. I'm sure I'll yet find some kinks to work out, but this is huge
progress for me.

Best -

Phil :)


On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Phil Clevenger
> <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 1) How is the Midi note conveyed to the plugin in teh adjacent Audio
> track?
> > Because the plugin is not hearing it :)
> >
>
> It might be that a plugin on an Audio Track can't react on MIDI in
> Live. If that is the case you can try to put the Echoloop VST on a
> MIDI/Instrument Track instead.
>
> > 2) Is there something I need to do withe the "Midi Ctrl' Envelopes menu
> for
> > the MIDI clip in question?
>
> Please note that the Echoloop doesn't work as normal plugins, since it
> is designed to act like an EDP; reacting to pre defined note numbers
> (or CC's). I might be wrong here, but I don't think the Echoloop
> reports all its parameters to the host and this is why Live's Clip
> Envelope stuff doesn't affect Echoloop. This is why I recommended
> using the IAC instead.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.com
> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>
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Per you are correct - looks like the VST wants to be in a MIDI track. Once =
there, it can hear the IAC MIDI notes, and best of all, now I can make abso=
lute assignments from a controller pad !<br><br>Thanks Per. I&#39;m sure I&=
#39;ll yet find some kinks to work out, but this is huge progress for me.<d=
iv>
<br></div><div>Best -=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Phil :)</div><div><br><br=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Per Boysen <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank"=
>perboysen@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11=
:43 PM, Phil Clevenger<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phil.clevenger@gmail.com">phil.clevenger@gmail.com</a=
>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; 1) How is the Midi note conveyed to the plugin in teh adjacent Audio t=
rack?<br>
&gt; Because the plugin is not hearing it :)<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
</div>It might be that a plugin on an Audio Track can&#39;t react on MIDI i=
n<br>
Live. If that is the case you can try to put the Echoloop VST on a<br>
MIDI/Instrument Track instead.<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
&gt; 2) Is there something I need to do withe the &quot;Midi Ctrl&#39; Enve=
lopes menu for<br>
&gt; the MIDI clip in question?<br>
<br>
</div>Please note that the Echoloop doesn&#39;t work as normal plugins, sin=
ce it<br>
is designed to act like an EDP; reacting to pre defined note numbers<br>
(or CC&#39;s). I might be wrong here, but I don&#39;t think the Echoloop<br=
>
reports all its parameters to the host and this is why Live&#39;s Clip<br>
Envelope stuff doesn&#39;t affect Echoloop. This is why I recommended<br>
using the IAC instead.<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
Greetings from Sweden<br>
<br>
Per Boysen<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com" target=3D"_blank">www.perboysen.com</a=
><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/perboysen" target=3D"_blank">http://www.y=
outube.com/perboysen</a><br>
<br>
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Hey Mark -=20

I struggle with this  a lot, although the only reason I would want =
preset access specifically would be to invoke certain otherwise =
inaccessible param changes.

I need at minimum a pushbutton solution for changing subcycle setting =
(2, 4, 8. etc), but would like access to a number of other things that =
live in menus (Insert mode, SwitchQuant, etc).

This week I am doubling down on getting control away from the computer =
and back onto physical knobs and faders where they belong !

I've looked at using preset banks, EDP style... but Echoloop wants a =
program change to access preset banks and I think Ableton is challenged =
there.

Tried using Clip Envelopes but they are  relative rather than absolute, =
and things get goofy fast because of that.

Now per Per's advice I am trying a MIDI clip envelope solution which =
looks promising - but it requires placing the Echoloop VST into a MIDI =
track - and now I can't seem to route audio to the plugin since it's in =
a MIDI track !!

GAH - still working it here. Good luck and let us know what you find. =
I'll do the same :)

Phil :)



On Jul 26, 2012, at 3:19 PM, mark francombe wrote:

> Hi
> while we=B4re on the subject of Echoloop, can someone tell me how one =
goes about creating and changing "presets", (to use an EDP term). I can =
see how to select different Insert Modes for example, but how do I =
change them "on the fly" from a foot pedal? I also need to get into SuS =
Record and Stutter mode too... (I can see how to do that too, but not =
how to make a "snapshot" of settings that I can bring up with one foot =
press.
> On my EDPs I have one bank that has all the Presets I need, 1 thru 5 =
(then they are repeated on pedal numbers 6 thru 10, except the have Midi =
set OUT (for receiving clock from the drum machine instead of sending =
clock)
>=20
> On my software setup (Mobius and Echoloop in Audio Mulch) I dont know =
how to do this and have to bend over and select stuff with the mouse, =
which is less than OK.
>=20
> Mark
>=20
> --=20
> Mark Francombe
> www.markfrancombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao.com
> http://vimeo.com/user825094
> http://www.looop.no
> twitter @markfrancombe
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hey =
Mark -&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>I struggle with this &nbsp;a lot, =
although the only reason I would want preset access specifically would =
be to invoke certain otherwise inaccessible param =
changes.</div><div><br></div><div>I need at minimum a pushbutton =
solution for changing subcycle setting (2, 4, 8. etc), but would like =
access to a number of other things that live in menus (Insert mode, =
SwitchQuant, etc).</div><div><br></div><div>This week I am doubling down =
on getting control away from the computer and back onto physical knobs =
and faders where they belong !</div><div><br></div><div>I've looked at =
using preset banks, EDP style... but Echoloop wants a program change to =
access preset banks and I think Ableton is challenged =
there.</div><div><br></div><div>Tried using Clip Envelopes but they are =
&nbsp;relative rather than absolute, and things get goofy fast because =
of that.</div><div><br></div><div>Now per Per's advice I am trying a =
MIDI clip envelope solution which looks promising - but it requires =
placing the Echoloop VST into a MIDI track - and now I can't seem to =
route audio to the plugin since it's in a MIDI track =
!!</div><div><br></div><div>GAH - still working it here. Good luck and =
let us know what you find. I'll do the same =
:)</div><div><br></div><div>Phil =
:)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jul 26, =
2012, at 3:19 PM, mark francombe wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Hi<br>while =
we=B4re on the subject of Echoloop, can someone tell me how one goes =
about creating and changing "presets", (to use an EDP term). I can see =
how to select different Insert Modes for example, but how do I change =
them "on the fly" from a foot pedal? I also need to get into SuS Record =
and Stutter mode too... (I can see how to do that too, but not how to =
make a "snapshot" of settings that I can bring up with one foot =
press.<br>

On my EDPs I have one bank that has all the Presets I need, 1 thru 5 =
(then they are repeated on pedal numbers 6 thru 10, except the have Midi =
set OUT (for receiving clock from the drum machine instead of sending =
clock)<br>

<br>On my software setup (Mobius and Echoloop in Audio Mulch) I dont =
know how to do this and have to bend over and select stuff with the =
mouse, which is less than OK.<br><br>Mark<br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><i =
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color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font style=3D"font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif" =
size=3D"4"><u>Mark Francombe</u></font></i><br>

<font size=3D"1"><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)" =
href=3D"http://www.markfrancombe.com/" =
target=3D"_blank">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br =
style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)"><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)" =
href=3D"http://www.ordoabkhao.com/" =
target=3D"_blank">www.ordoabkhao.com</a><br style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)">

<a style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)" href=3D"http://vimeo.com/user825094" =
target=3D"_blank">http://vimeo.com/user825094</a><br =
style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)"><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)" =
href=3D"http://www.looop.no/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.looop.no</a><br>

twitter @markfrancombe<br><a =
href=3D"http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/</a><br></font=
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</blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>=

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Thx Phil... Hmm so Echoloop IS using Program Change for the presets?.. OK
that suits me fine, I just have to figure out how to SAVE the presets...
everytime I start up Echoloop its just using default settings... Any clues
there?

M


On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 1:42 AM, Phil Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail.com>w=
rote:

> Hey Mark -
>
> I struggle with this  a lot, although the only reason I would want preset
> access specifically would be to invoke certain otherwise inaccessible par=
am
> changes.
>
> I need at minimum a pushbutton solution for changing subcycle setting (2,
> 4, 8. etc), but would like access to a number of other things that live i=
n
> menus (Insert mode, SwitchQuant, etc).
>
> This week I am doubling down on getting control away from the computer an=
d
> back onto physical knobs and faders where they belong !
>
> I've looked at using preset banks, EDP style... but Echoloop wants a
> program change to access preset banks and I think Ableton is challenged
> there.
>
> Tried using Clip Envelopes but they are  relative rather than absolute,
> and things get goofy fast because of that.
>
> Now per Per's advice I am trying a MIDI clip envelope solution which look=
s
> promising - but it requires placing the Echoloop VST into a MIDI track -
> and now I can't seem to route audio to the plugin since it's in a MIDI
> track !!
>
> GAH - still working it here. Good luck and let us know what you find. I'l=
l
> do the same :)
>
> Phil :)
>
>
>
> On Jul 26, 2012, at 3:19 PM, mark francombe wrote:
>
> Hi
> while we=B4re on the subject of Echoloop, can someone tell me how one goe=
s
> about creating and changing "presets", (to use an EDP term). I can see ho=
w
> to select different Insert Modes for example, but how do I change them "o=
n
> the fly" from a foot pedal? I also need to get into SuS Record and Stutte=
r
> mode too... (I can see how to do that too, but not how to make a "snapsho=
t"
> of settings that I can bring up with one foot press.
> On my EDPs I have one bank that has all the Presets I need, 1 thru 5 (the=
n
> they are repeated on pedal numbers 6 thru 10, except the have Midi set OU=
T
> (for receiving clock from the drum machine instead of sending clock)
>
> On my software setup (Mobius and Echoloop in Audio Mulch) I dont know how
> to do this and have to bend over and select stuff with the mouse, which i=
s
> less than OK.
>
> Mark
>
> --
> *Mark Francombe*
> www.markfrancombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao.com
> http://vimeo.com/user825094
> http://www.looop.no
> twitter @markfrancombe
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
>
>
>


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Thx Phil... Hmm so Echoloop IS using Program Change for the presets?.. OK t=
hat suits me fine, I just have to figure out how to SAVE the presets... eve=
rytime I start up Echoloop its just using default settings... Any clues the=
re?<br>

<br>M<br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 1:42 AM=
, Phil Clevenger <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phil.clevenger@gma=
il.com" target=3D"_blank">phil.clevenger@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Hey Mark -=A0<div><br></div><div>I stru=
ggle with this =A0a lot, although the only reason I would want preset acces=
s specifically would be to invoke certain otherwise inaccessible param chan=
ges.</div>

<div><br></div><div>I need at minimum a pushbutton solution for changing su=
bcycle setting (2, 4, 8. etc), but would like access to a number of other t=
hings that live in menus (Insert mode, SwitchQuant, etc).</div><div><br>

</div><div>This week I am doubling down on getting control away from the co=
mputer and back onto physical knobs and faders where they belong !</div><di=
v><br></div><div>I&#39;ve looked at using preset banks, EDP style... but Ec=
holoop wants a program change to access preset banks and I think Ableton is=
 challenged there.</div>

<div><br></div><div>Tried using Clip Envelopes but they are =A0relative rat=
her than absolute, and things get goofy fast because of that.</div><div><br=
></div><div>Now per Per&#39;s advice I am trying a MIDI clip envelope solut=
ion which looks promising - but it requires placing the Echoloop VST into a=
 MIDI track - and now I can&#39;t seem to route audio to the plugin since i=
t&#39;s in a MIDI track !!</div>

<div><br></div><div>GAH - still working it here. Good luck and let us know =
what you find. I&#39;ll do the same :)</div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font co=
lor=3D"#888888"><div><br></div><div>Phil :)</div></font></span><div><div cl=
ass=3D"h5">

<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jul 26, 2012, at 3:19 P=
M, mark francombe wrote:</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">Hi<br>while we=
=B4re on the subject of Echoloop, can someone tell me how one goes about cr=
eating and changing &quot;presets&quot;, (to use an EDP term). I can see ho=
w to select different Insert Modes for example, but how do I change them &q=
uot;on the fly&quot; from a foot pedal? I also need to get into SuS Record =
and Stutter mode too... (I can see how to do that too, but not how to make =
a &quot;snapshot&quot; of settings that I can bring up with one foot press.=
<br>



On my EDPs I have one bank that has all the Presets I need, 1 thru 5 (then =
they are repeated on pedal numbers 6 thru 10, except the have Midi set OUT =
(for receiving clock from the drum machine instead of sending clock)<br>



<br>On my software setup (Mobius and Echoloop in Audio Mulch) I dont know h=
ow to do this and have to bend over and select stuff with the mouse, which =
is less than OK.<br><br>Mark<br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><i style=3D"font-f=
amily:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(255,255,255);background-color:rgb(0,0,0)=
"><font style=3D"font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif" size=3D"4"><u>Mark Fr=
ancombe</u></font></i><br>



<font size=3D"1"><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)" href=3D"http://www.markfra=
ncombe.com/" target=3D"_blank">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br style=3D"color:=
rgb(51,0,51)"><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)" href=3D"http://www.ordoabkhao=
.com/" target=3D"_blank">www.ordoabkhao.com</a><br style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,=
51)">



<a style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)" href=3D"http://vimeo.com/user825094" target=
=3D"_blank">http://vimeo.com/user825094</a><br style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)"=
><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)" href=3D"http://www.looop.no/" target=3D"_b=
lank">http://www.looop.no</a><br>



twitter @markfrancombe<br><a href=3D"http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@=
N00/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/</a><br><=
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</blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br><br c=
lear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><i style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rg=
b(255,255,255);background-color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font style=3D"font-family:treb=
uchet ms,sans-serif" size=3D"4"><u>Mark Francombe</u></font></i><br>

<font size=3D"1"><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)" href=3D"http://www.markfra=
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.com/" target=3D"_blank">www.ordoabkhao.com</a><br style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,=
51)">

<a style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)" href=3D"http://vimeo.com/user825094" target=
=3D"_blank">http://vimeo.com/user825094</a><br style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)"=
><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)" href=3D"http://www.looop.no/" target=3D"_b=
lank">http://www.looop.no</a><br>

twitter @markfrancombe<br><a href=3D"http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@=
N00/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/</a><br><=
/font><br>

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Ahh sure Mark that's relatively easy :)

For the default set of presets in the Echoloop VST, there is no need to
save them. Just set each one up the way you like and they will be recalled
by that instance of the plugin anytime you choose one. You can rename each
of them by clicking on the plug-in's title bar, then pressing Cmd-R.

Now - how to recall them in Ableton - let us know :)


On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 4:51 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>wro=
te:

> Thx Phil... Hmm so Echoloop IS using Program Change for the presets?.. OK
> that suits me fine, I just have to figure out how to SAVE the presets...
> everytime I start up Echoloop its just using default settings... Any clue=
s
> there?
>
> M
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 1:42 AM, Phil Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail.com=
>wrote:
>
>> Hey Mark -
>>
>> I struggle with this  a lot, although the only reason I would want prese=
t
>> access specifically would be to invoke certain otherwise inaccessible pa=
ram
>> changes.
>>
>> I need at minimum a pushbutton solution for changing subcycle setting (2=
,
>> 4, 8. etc), but would like access to a number of other things that live =
in
>> menus (Insert mode, SwitchQuant, etc).
>>
>> This week I am doubling down on getting control away from the computer
>> and back onto physical knobs and faders where they belong !
>>
>> I've looked at using preset banks, EDP style... but Echoloop wants a
>> program change to access preset banks and I think Ableton is challenged
>> there.
>>
>> Tried using Clip Envelopes but they are  relative rather than absolute,
>> and things get goofy fast because of that.
>>
>> Now per Per's advice I am trying a MIDI clip envelope solution which
>> looks promising - but it requires placing the Echoloop VST into a MIDI
>> track - and now I can't seem to route audio to the plugin since it's in =
a
>> MIDI track !!
>>
>> GAH - still working it here. Good luck and let us know what you find.
>> I'll do the same :)
>>
>> Phil :)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 26, 2012, at 3:19 PM, mark francombe wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>> while we=B4re on the subject of Echoloop, can someone tell me how one go=
es
>> about creating and changing "presets", (to use an EDP term). I can see h=
ow
>> to select different Insert Modes for example, but how do I change them "=
on
>> the fly" from a foot pedal? I also need to get into SuS Record and Stutt=
er
>> mode too... (I can see how to do that too, but not how to make a "snapsh=
ot"
>> of settings that I can bring up with one foot press.
>> On my EDPs I have one bank that has all the Presets I need, 1 thru 5
>> (then they are repeated on pedal numbers 6 thru 10, except the have Midi
>> set OUT (for receiving clock from the drum machine instead of sending cl=
ock)
>>
>> On my software setup (Mobius and Echoloop in Audio Mulch) I dont know ho=
w
>> to do this and have to bend over and select stuff with the mouse, which =
is
>> less than OK.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> --
>> *Mark Francombe*
>> www.markfrancombe.com
>> www.ordoabkhao.com
>> http://vimeo.com/user825094
>> http://www.looop.no
>> twitter @markfrancombe
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Mark Francombe*
> www.markfrancombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao.com
> http://vimeo.com/user825094
> http://www.looop.no
> twitter @markfrancombe
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
>
>

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<br>Ahh sure Mark that&#39;s relatively easy :)<div><br></div><div>For the =
default set of presets in the Echoloop VST, there is no need to save them. =
Just set each one up the way you like and they will be recalled by that ins=
tance of the plugin anytime you choose one. You can rename each of them by =
clicking on the plug-in&#39;s title bar, then pressing Cmd-R.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Now - how to recall them in Ableton - let us know :)</d=
iv><div><br></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 =
at 4:51 PM, mark francombe <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mark@mar=
kfrancombe.com" target=3D"_blank">mark@markfrancombe.com</a>&gt;</span> wro=
te:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Thx Phil... Hmm so Echoloop IS using Program=
 Change for the presets?.. OK that suits me fine, I just have to figure out=
 how to SAVE the presets... everytime I start up Echoloop its just using de=
fault settings... Any clues there?<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#88=
8888"><br>


<br>M</font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br><br><br><div=
 class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 1:42 AM, Phil Clevenger <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phil.clevenger@gmail.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">phil.clevenger@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Hey Mark -=A0<div><br></div><div>I stru=
ggle with this =A0a lot, although the only reason I would want preset acces=
s specifically would be to invoke certain otherwise inaccessible param chan=
ges.</div>


<div><br></div><div>I need at minimum a pushbutton solution for changing su=
bcycle setting (2, 4, 8. etc), but would like access to a number of other t=
hings that live in menus (Insert mode, SwitchQuant, etc).</div><div><br>


</div><div>This week I am doubling down on getting control away from the co=
mputer and back onto physical knobs and faders where they belong !</div><di=
v><br></div><div>I&#39;ve looked at using preset banks, EDP style... but Ec=
holoop wants a program change to access preset banks and I think Ableton is=
 challenged there.</div>


<div><br></div><div>Tried using Clip Envelopes but they are =A0relative rat=
her than absolute, and things get goofy fast because of that.</div><div><br=
></div><div>Now per Per&#39;s advice I am trying a MIDI clip envelope solut=
ion which looks promising - but it requires placing the Echoloop VST into a=
 MIDI track - and now I can&#39;t seem to route audio to the plugin since i=
t&#39;s in a MIDI track !!</div>


<div><br></div><div>GAH - still working it here. Good luck and let us know =
what you find. I&#39;ll do the same :)</div><span><font color=3D"#888888"><=
div><br></div><div>Phil :)</div></font></span><div><div>

<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jul 26, 2012, at 3:19 P=
M, mark francombe wrote:</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">Hi<br>while we=
=B4re on the subject of Echoloop, can someone tell me how one goes about cr=
eating and changing &quot;presets&quot;, (to use an EDP term). I can see ho=
w to select different Insert Modes for example, but how do I change them &q=
uot;on the fly&quot; from a foot pedal? I also need to get into SuS Record =
and Stutter mode too... (I can see how to do that too, but not how to make =
a &quot;snapshot&quot; of settings that I can bring up with one foot press.=
<br>




On my EDPs I have one bank that has all the Presets I need, 1 thru 5 (then =
they are repeated on pedal numbers 6 thru 10, except the have Midi set OUT =
(for receiving clock from the drum machine instead of sending clock)<br>




<br>On my software setup (Mobius and Echoloop in Audio Mulch) I dont know h=
ow to do this and have to bend over and select stuff with the mouse, which =
is less than OK.<br><br>Mark<br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><i style=3D"font-f=
amily:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(255,255,255);background-color:rgb(0,0,0)=
"><font style=3D"font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif" size=3D"4"><u>Mark Fr=
ancombe</u></font></i><br>




<font size=3D"1"><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)" href=3D"http://www.markfra=
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rgb(51,0,51)"><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)" href=3D"http://www.ordoabkhao=
.com/" target=3D"_blank">www.ordoabkhao.com</a><br style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,=
51)">




<a style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)" href=3D"http://vimeo.com/user825094" target=
=3D"_blank">http://vimeo.com/user825094</a><br style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)"=
><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)" href=3D"http://www.looop.no/" target=3D"_b=
lank">http://www.looop.no</a><br>




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N00/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/</a><br><=
/font><br>
</blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br><br c=
lear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><i style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rg=
b(255,255,255);background-color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font style=3D"font-family:treb=
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ncombe.com/" target=3D"_blank">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br style=3D"color:=
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51)">


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=3D"_blank">http://vimeo.com/user825094</a><br style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)"=
><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)" href=3D"http://www.looop.no/" target=3D"_b=
lank">http://www.looop.no</a><br>


twitter @markfrancombe<br><a href=3D"http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@=
N00/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/</a><br><=
/font><br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>

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So Per,

Placing Echoloop in VST solves for the MIDI clip control - great !

But how can the plugin receive audio while it sits in a MIDI track?

Stymied again :)

Phil :)


On Jul 26, 2012, at 2:55 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Phil Clevenger
> <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 1) How is the Midi note conveyed to the plugin in teh adjacent Audio =
track?
>> Because the plugin is not hearing it :)
>>=20
>=20
> It might be that a plugin on an Audio Track can't react on MIDI in
> Live. If that is the case you can try to put the Echoloop VST on a
> MIDI/Instrument Track instead.
>=20
>> 2) Is there something I need to do withe the "Midi Ctrl' Envelopes =
menu for
>> the MIDI clip in question?
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> Please note that the Echoloop doesn't work as normal plugins, since it
> is designed to act like an EDP; reacting to pre defined note numbers
> (or CC's). I might be wrong here, but I don't think the Echoloop
> reports all its parameters to the host and this is why Live's Clip
> Envelope stuff doesn't affect Echoloop. This is why I recommended
> using the IAC instead.
>=20
> Greetings from Sweden
>=20
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.com
> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
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Mark,

This article would seem to suggest a solution for transmitting Program =
Changes inside Ableton:

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb07/articles/livetech_0207.htm

But I have not been able to make it work with Echoloop.

Phil


On Jul 26, 2012, at 4:51 PM, mark francombe wrote:

> Thx Phil... Hmm so Echoloop IS using Program Change for the presets?.. =
OK that suits me fine, I just have to figure out how to SAVE the =
presets... everytime I start up Echoloop its just using default =
settings... Any clues there?
>=20
> M
>=20
>=20
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 1:42 AM, Phil Clevenger =
<phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Mark -=20
>=20
> I struggle with this  a lot, although the only reason I would want =
preset access specifically would be to invoke certain otherwise =
inaccessible param changes.
>=20
> I need at minimum a pushbutton solution for changing subcycle setting =
(2, 4, 8. etc), but would like access to a number of other things that =
live in menus (Insert mode, SwitchQuant, etc).
>=20
> This week I am doubling down on getting control away from the computer =
and back onto physical knobs and faders where they belong !
>=20
> I've looked at using preset banks, EDP style... but Echoloop wants a =
program change to access preset banks and I think Ableton is challenged =
there.
>=20
> Tried using Clip Envelopes but they are  relative rather than =
absolute, and things get goofy fast because of that.
>=20
> Now per Per's advice I am trying a MIDI clip envelope solution which =
looks promising - but it requires placing the Echoloop VST into a MIDI =
track - and now I can't seem to route audio to the plugin since it's in =
a MIDI track !!
>=20
> GAH - still working it here. Good luck and let us know what you find. =
I'll do the same :)
>=20
> Phil :)
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On Jul 26, 2012, at 3:19 PM, mark francombe wrote:
>=20
>> Hi
>> while we=B4re on the subject of Echoloop, can someone tell me how one =
goes about creating and changing "presets", (to use an EDP term). I can =
see how to select different Insert Modes for example, but how do I =
change them "on the fly" from a foot pedal? I also need to get into SuS =
Record and Stutter mode too... (I can see how to do that too, but not =
how to make a "snapshot" of settings that I can bring up with one foot =
press.
>> On my EDPs I have one bank that has all the Presets I need, 1 thru 5 =
(then they are repeated on pedal numbers 6 thru 10, except the have Midi =
set OUT (for receiving clock from the drum machine instead of sending =
clock)
>>=20
>> On my software setup (Mobius and Echoloop in Audio Mulch) I dont know =
how to do this and have to bend over and select stuff with the mouse, =
which is less than OK.
>>=20
>> Mark
>>=20
>> --=20
>> Mark Francombe
>> www.markfrancombe.com
>> www.ordoabkhao.com
>> http://vimeo.com/user825094
>> http://www.looop.no
>> twitter @markfrancombe
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
>>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> --=20
> Mark Francombe
> www.markfrancombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao.com
> http://vimeo.com/user825094
> http://www.looop.no
> twitter @markfrancombe
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; =
">Mark,<div><br></div><div>This article would seem to suggest a solution =
for transmitting Program Changes inside =
Ableton:</div><div><br></div><div><a =
href=3D"http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb07/articles/livetech_0207.htm">=
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb07/articles/livetech_0207.htm</a></div>=
<div><br></div><div>But I have not been able to make it work with =
Echoloop.</div><div><br></div><div>Phil</div><div><br></div><div><br><div>=
<div>On Jul 26, 2012, at 4:51 PM, mark francombe wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Thx =
Phil... Hmm so Echoloop IS using Program Change for the presets?.. OK =
that suits me fine, I just have to figure out how to SAVE the presets... =
everytime I start up Echoloop its just using default settings... Any =
clues there?<br>

<br>M<br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 1:42 =
AM, Phil Clevenger <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:phil.clevenger@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">phil.clevenger@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> =
wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Hey Mark =
-&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>I struggle with this &nbsp;a lot, although =
the only reason I would want preset access specifically would be to =
invoke certain otherwise inaccessible param changes.</div>

<div><br></div><div>I need at minimum a pushbutton solution for changing =
subcycle setting (2, 4, 8. etc), but would like access to a number of =
other things that live in menus (Insert mode, SwitchQuant, =
etc).</div><div><br>

</div><div>This week I am doubling down on getting control away from the =
computer and back onto physical knobs and faders where they belong =
!</div><div><br></div><div>I've looked at using preset banks, EDP =
style... but Echoloop wants a program change to access preset banks and =
I think Ableton is challenged there.</div>

<div><br></div><div>Tried using Clip Envelopes but they are =
&nbsp;relative rather than absolute, and things get goofy fast because =
of that.</div><div><br></div><div>Now per Per's advice I am trying a =
MIDI clip envelope solution which looks promising - but it requires =
placing the Echoloop VST into a MIDI track - and now I can't seem to =
route audio to the plugin since it's in a MIDI track !!</div>

<div><br></div><div>GAH - still working it here. Good luck and let us =
know what you find. I'll do the same :)</div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font =
color=3D"#888888"><div><br></div><div>Phil =
:)</div></font></span><div><div class=3D"h5">

<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jul 26, 2012, at =
3:19 PM, mark francombe wrote:</div><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Hi<br>while we=B4re on the subject of Echoloop, can =
someone tell me how one goes about creating and changing "presets", (to =
use an EDP term). I can see how to select different Insert Modes for =
example, but how do I change them "on the fly" from a foot pedal? I also =
need to get into SuS Record and Stutter mode too... (I can see how to do =
that too, but not how to make a "snapshot" of settings that I can bring =
up with one foot press.<br>



On my EDPs I have one bank that has all the Presets I need, 1 thru 5 =
(then they are repeated on pedal numbers 6 thru 10, except the have Midi =
set OUT (for receiving clock from the drum machine instead of sending =
clock)<br>



<br>On my software setup (Mobius and Echoloop in Audio Mulch) I dont =
know how to do this and have to bend over and select stuff with the =
mouse, which is less than OK.<br><br>Mark<br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><i =
style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(255,255,255);background-=
color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font style=3D"font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif" =
size=3D"4"><u>Mark Francombe</u></font></i><br>



<font size=3D"1"><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)" =
href=3D"http://www.markfrancombe.com/" =
target=3D"_blank">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br =
style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)"><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)" =
href=3D"http://www.ordoabkhao.com/" =
target=3D"_blank">www.ordoabkhao.com</a><br style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)">



<a style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)" href=3D"http://vimeo.com/user825094" =
target=3D"_blank">http://vimeo.com/user825094</a><br =
style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)"><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)" =
href=3D"http://www.looop.no/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.looop.no</a><br>



twitter @markfrancombe<br><a =
href=3D"http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/</a><br></font=
><br>
=
</blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br><br =
clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><i =
style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(255,255,255);background-=
color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font style=3D"font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif" =
size=3D"4"><u>Mark Francombe</u></font></i><br>

<font size=3D"1"><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)" =
href=3D"http://www.markfrancombe.com/" =
target=3D"_blank">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br =
style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)"><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)" =
href=3D"http://www.ordoabkhao.com/" =
target=3D"_blank">www.ordoabkhao.com</a><br style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)">

<a style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)" href=3D"http://vimeo.com/user825094" =
target=3D"_blank">http://vimeo.com/user825094</a><br =
style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)"><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)" =
href=3D"http://www.looop.no/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.looop.no</a><br>

twitter @markfrancombe<br><a =
href=3D"http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/</a><br></font=
><br>
</blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>=

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Do the Return Track round-trip!

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Well HA  Per you sound maddeningly certain - so I do have hope yet :)

But for that to work, any Return track's "Audio To" menu would have to =
see either the MIDI track or the plug-in that sits in the MIDI track. =
Yes? And none of my 'Audio To' menus, in tracks or returns, sees those =
destinations.  :(

I generally don't use the LD lifeline unless I've got a couple of days' =
futility behind me.... certainly the case now. Day 3 begins when the sun =
comes up here :)

I sure hope you are right... what am I missing here?

Very best,

Phil :)


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> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 2:31 AM, Phil Clevenger
> <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
>> But how can the plugin receive audio while it sits in a MIDI track?
>=20
> By the blessing of the Return Track Round Trip!!! :-)
>=20
> Per
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On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Phil Clevenger
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> Well HA  Per you sound maddeningly certain - so I do have hope yet :)
>
> But for that to work, any Return track's "Audio To" menu would have to see either the MIDI track or the plug-in that sits in the MIDI track. Yes? And none of my 'Audio To' menus, in tracks or returns, sees those destinations.  :(
>

The "Audio To" slot on a Return Track can target a MIDI Track if a
plug-in that supports audio input is inserted on that MIDI Track (I
tested this to be sure before posting here; I slapped Mobius over the
MIDI Track and would assume Live works the same with Echoloop in this
regard). Before an audio-input-supporting-plugin is inserted on a MIDI
Track there won't be any sight of it from the Return Track's "Audio
To" slots.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen

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AH there is the rule.

Just tried the same test as you describe, and you are correct: Mobius =
works!  But, Echoloop does not :)

I guess my next step is to see if I can feed audio THROUGH Mobius, or =
similar, to Echoloop in that channel ! Will post results.

Thanks Per :)

Phil :)


On Jul 27, 2012, at 6:17 AM, Per Boysen wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Phil Clevenger
> <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>=20
>> But for that to work, any Return track's "Audio To" menu would have =
to see either the MIDI track or the plug-in that sits in the MIDI track. =
Yes? And none of my 'Audio To' menus, in tracks or returns, sees those =
destinations.  :(
>>=20
>=20
> The "Audio To" slot on a Return Track can target a MIDI Track if a
> plug-in that supports audio input is inserted on that MIDI Track (I
> tested this to be sure before posting here; I slapped Mobius over the
> MIDI Track and would assume Live works the same with Echoloop in this
> regard). Before an audio-input-supporting-plugin is inserted on a MIDI
> Track there won't be any sight of it from the Return Track's "Audio
> To" slots.
>=20
> Greetings from Sweden
>=20
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.com
> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
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On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Phil Clevenger
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> I guess my next step is to see if I can feed audio THROUGH Mobius, or similar, to Echoloop in that channel ! Will post results.


Fun, getting dirty now. Make sure to activate Monitor Audio Input in
Mobius "Configuration/Global Parameters" and you should be able to
play right through it. And hey - maybe you can take away Mobius once
you've used it to trick Live? (and still keep the virtual audio path)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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I always wondered if Echoloop VST would work with Audiomulch...now I =
know.

I have been using Echoloop VST within MaxMSP quite successfully.

Audiomulch was one of the other programs I considered getting into.

Good luck.

Let me know if you figure out a way to make it work.

On Jul 26, 2012, at 2:41 AM, Gareth Whittock wrote:

> I managed to track a copy of this down this morning but it crashes =
Audiomulch - anyone?
>=20
> Peace,
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It might be my fault Ted. I just downloaded it. Maybe it needs some sort of=
 activation code. I was just curious about it but I'll probably tick with A=
ugustus loop. The new Audiomulch allow for super low latencies BTW -  mine =
is down to .9 ms!
Peace
g

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

> Subject: Re: Echoloop VST
> From: tedkillian@charter.net
> Date: Fri=2C 27 Jul 2012 07:40:38 -0700
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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> I always wondered if Echoloop VST would work with Audiomulch...now I know=
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>=20
> I have been using Echoloop VST within MaxMSP quite successfully.
>=20
> Audiomulch was one of the other programs I considered getting into.
>=20
> Good luck.
>=20
> Let me know if you figure out a way to make it work.
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> On Jul 26=2C 2012=2C at 2:41 AM=2C Gareth Whittock wrote:
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> > I managed to track a copy of this down this morning but it crashes Audi=
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> > Peace=2C
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It might be my fault Ted. I just downloaded it. Maybe it needs some sort of=
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ugustus loop. The new Audiomulch allow for super low latencies BTW - &nbsp=
=3Bmine is down to .9 ms!<div><br></div><div>Peace</div><div><br></div><div=
>g<br><br>Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: <a href=3D"http://garethwhittock=
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tedkillian@charter.net<br>&gt=3B Date: Fri=2C 27 Jul 2012 07:40:38 -0700<br=
>&gt=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B I alwa=
ys wondered if Echoloop VST would work with Audiomulch...now I know.<br>&gt=
=3B <br>&gt=3B I have been using Echoloop VST within MaxMSP quite successfu=
lly.<br>&gt=3B <br>&gt=3B Audiomulch was one of the other programs I consid=
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Phil Clevenger wrote:
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> Ahh sure Mark that's relatively easy :)
> 

In this respect at least
it's just like any other VST plugin, using standard VST presets.

(just with the addition of recall via ProgCh).

andy

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True enough, but that said, I've not been able to succeed in Ableton to =
recall Echoloop presets via Program Change, even though I have succeeded =
to save named presets for such recall.

My understanding is that these presets are attached to Program Changes 1 =
thru 15.

The only method I've found in Ableton to approach that is by the Bank, =
SubBank, and Program params in the Notes panel for any MIDI clip, but =
Echoloop does not respond to these as far as I can tell.

Phil :)




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>=20
>=20
> Phil Clevenger wrote:
>> Ahh sure Mark that's relatively easy :)
>=20
> In this respect at least
> it's just like any other VST plugin, using standard VST presets.
>=20
> (just with the addition of recall via ProgCh).
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> andy
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Hey, Phil - did you say PROGRAMME CHANGE! Oh my... A tiny purple
creature at the back of my brain whispers something about Live not
supporting MIDI Program Change events. Maybe you should check that
with a search on the Live forum, I never use Program Change in Live so
I have no hands-on experience of my own on this.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Phil Clevenger
<phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
> True enough, but that said, I've not been able to succeed in Ableton to recall Echoloop presets via Program Change, even though I have succeeded to save named presets for such recall.
>
> My understanding is that these presets are attached to Program Changes 1 thru 15.
>
> The only method I've found in Ableton to approach that is by the Bank, SubBank, and Program params in the Notes panel for any MIDI clip, but Echoloop does not respond to these as far as I can tell.
>
> Phil :)
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 27, 2012, at 12:04 PM, andy butler wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Phil Clevenger wrote:
>>> Ahh sure Mark that's relatively easy :)
>>
>> In this respect at least
>> it's just like any other VST plugin, using standard VST presets.
>>
>> (just with the addition of recall via ProgCh).
>>
>> andy
>>
>

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You are correct, Ableton likes notes and CCs only.=20

I had thought the Ableton feature I described (Program, Bank, Sub-Bank =
params) could be a workaround. Else, not sure one can recall Echoloop =
presets in Ableton :)

Phil :)


On Jul 27, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

> Hey, Phil - did you say PROGRAMME CHANGE! Oh my... A tiny purple
> creature at the back of my brain whispers something about Live not
> supporting MIDI Program Change events. Maybe you should check that
> with a search on the Live forum, I never use Program Change in Live so
> I have no hands-on experience of my own on this.
>=20
> Greetings from Sweden
>=20
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.com
> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>=20
>=20
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Phil Clevenger
> <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
>> True enough, but that said, I've not been able to succeed in Ableton =
to recall Echoloop presets via Program Change, even though I have =
succeeded to save named presets for such recall.
>>=20
>> My understanding is that these presets are attached to Program =
Changes 1 thru 15.
>>=20
>> The only method I've found in Ableton to approach that is by the =
Bank, SubBank, and Program params in the Notes panel for any MIDI clip, =
but Echoloop does not respond to these as far as I can tell.
>>=20
>> Phil :)
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Jul 27, 2012, at 12:04 PM, andy butler wrote:
>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Phil Clevenger wrote:
>>>> Ahh sure Mark that's relatively easy :)
>>>=20
>>> In this respect at least
>>> it's just like any other VST plugin, using standard VST presets.
>>>=20
>>> (just with the addition of recall via ProgCh).
>>>=20
>>> andy
>>>=20
>>=20
>=20

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But don't you have some MIDI foot pedalboard that can sent MIDI
Program Change? If so, just set up a MIDI signal path piping it into
the Echoloop (Live's MIDI pref's, track routing)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen


On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Phil Clevenger
<phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
> You are correct, Ableton likes notes and CCs only.
>
> I had thought the Ableton feature I described (Program, Bank, Sub-Bank params) could be a workaround. Else, not sure one can recall Echoloop presets in Ableton :)
>
> Phil :)
>
>
> On Jul 27, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Per Boysen wrote:
>
>> Hey, Phil - did you say PROGRAMME CHANGE! Oh my... A tiny purple
>> creature at the back of my brain whispers something about Live not
>> supporting MIDI Program Change events. Maybe you should check that
>> with a search on the Live forum, I never use Program Change in Live so
>> I have no hands-on experience of my own on this.
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.perboysen.com
>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Phil Clevenger
>> <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> True enough, but that said, I've not been able to succeed in Ableton to recall Echoloop presets via Program Change, even though I have succeeded to save named presets for such recall.
>>>
>>> My understanding is that these presets are attached to Program Changes 1 thru 15.
>>>
>>> The only method I've found in Ableton to approach that is by the Bank, SubBank, and Program params in the Notes panel for any MIDI clip, but Echoloop does not respond to these as far as I can tell.
>>>
>>> Phil :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 27, 2012, at 12:04 PM, andy butler wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Phil Clevenger wrote:
>>>>> Ahh sure Mark that's relatively easy :)
>>>>
>>>> In this respect at least
>>>> it's just like any other VST plugin, using standard VST presets.
>>>>
>>>> (just with the addition of recall via ProgCh).
>>>>
>>>> andy
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

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Still more dirt than fun - !

True: Return tracks (indeed any "Audio To" menu) can see the MIDI track
when Mobius is in it. The "Audio To" menu now contains 3 options: Left In 2
- Mobius 2; Left In 3 - Mobius 2; and Left In 4 - Mobius 2.

Regardless of which is selected in the Return track's "Audio To" menu, the
Mobius instance in my MIDI track does not receive audio.

I tested the same config in an Audio track, and Mobius receieves audio from
the Return track perfectly.

SO: to recap: in order to escape the computer and move all interaction to
physical controllers, I want to create a pushbutton solution to govern
certain parameters normally governed by CControls. That is not possible
with standard MIDI learn in the host; it is partially possible with Clip
Envelopes, but they are relative in nature and will fall apart quickly
during use; and it is completely doable with Echoloop in a MIDI track, and
using MIDI Clip Envelopes, which are absolute in nature and allow exactly
the kind of control I seek. The challenge now is getting Echoloop to hear
audio while sitting in such a MIDI track. This is impossible on its face,
as Echoloop is invisible to "Audio To" menus when sitting in a MIDI track.
But, Mobius IS visible to "Audio To" menus when sitting in a MIDI track,
and could pass audio along to Echoloop if it were next in the chain.
However, Mobius does not seem to hear any audio directed to it from other
"Audio To" menus.

*So... how to get audio to Mobius in a MIDI track ?*

No mention of this case in Mobius manual or online. Genuine esoterica here
:D

On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 6:31 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Phil Clevenger
> <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I guess my next step is to see if I can feed audio THROUGH Mobius, or
> similar, to Echoloop in that channel ! Will post results.
>
>
> Fun, getting dirty now. Make sure to activate Monitor Audio Input in
> Mobius "Configuration/Global Parameters" and you should be able to
> play right through it. And hey - maybe you can take away Mobius once
> you've used it to trick Live? (and still keep the virtual audio path)
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.com
> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>
>

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Still more dirt than fun - !<div><br></div><div>True: Return tracks (indeed=
 any &quot;Audio To&quot; menu) can see the MIDI track when Mobius is in it=
. The &quot;Audio To&quot; menu now contains 3 options: Left In 2 - Mobius =
2; Left In 3 - Mobius 2; and Left In 4 - Mobius 2.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Regardless of which is selected in the Return track&#39=
;s &quot;Audio To&quot; menu, the Mobius instance in my MIDI track does not=
 receive audio.</div><div><br></div><div>I tested the same config in an Aud=
io track, and Mobius receieves audio from the Return track perfectly.</div>
<div><br></div><div>SO: to recap: in order to escape the computer and move =
all interaction to physical controllers, I want to create a pushbutton solu=
tion to govern certain parameters normally governed by CControls. That is n=
ot possible with standard MIDI learn in the host; it is partially possible =
with Clip Envelopes, but they are relative in nature and will fall apart qu=
ickly during use; and it is completely doable with Echoloop in a MIDI track=
, and using MIDI Clip Envelopes, which are absolute in nature and allow exa=
ctly the kind of control I seek. The challenge now is getting Echoloop to h=
ear audio while sitting in such a MIDI track. This is impossible on its fac=
e, as Echoloop is invisible to &quot;Audio To&quot; menus when sitting in a=
 MIDI track. But, Mobius IS visible to &quot;Audio To&quot; menus when sitt=
ing in a MIDI track, and could pass audio along to Echoloop if it were next=
 in the chain. However, Mobius does not seem to hear any audio directed to =
it from other &quot;Audio To&quot; menus.</div>
<div><br></div><div><i>So... how to get audio to Mobius in a MIDI track ?</=
i></div><div><br></div><div>No mention of this case in Mobius manual or onl=
ine. Genuine esoterica here :D</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On =
Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 6:31 AM, Per Boysen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:perboysen@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">perboysen@gmail.com</a>&gt;</s=
pan> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:=
24 PM, Phil Clevenger<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phil.clevenger@gmail.com">phil.clevenger@gmail.com</a=
>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; I guess my next step is to see if I can feed audio THROUGH Mobius, or =
similar, to Echoloop in that channel ! Will post results.<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>Fun, getting dirty now. Make sure to activate Monitor Audio Input in<=
br>
Mobius &quot;Configuration/Global Parameters&quot; and you should be able t=
o<br>
play right through it. And hey - maybe you can take away Mobius once<br>
you&#39;ve used it to trick Live? (and still keep the virtual audio path)<b=
r>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
Greetings from Sweden<br>
<br>
Per Boysen<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com" target=3D"_blank">www.perboysen.com</a=
><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/perboysen" target=3D"_blank">http://www.y=
outube.com/perboysen</a><br>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>

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Ah yes that should work - I've been using lesser methods for testing, but
the LG and DirectMidi should work fine. May not get to that today but I
will report back :)

Phil :)

On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> But don't you have some MIDI foot pedalboard that can sent MIDI
> Program Change? If so, just set up a MIDI signal path piping it into
> the Echoloop (Live's MIDI pref's, track routing)
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.com
> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Phil Clevenger
> <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
> > You are correct, Ableton likes notes and CCs only.
> >
> > I had thought the Ableton feature I described (Program, Bank, Sub-Bank
> params) could be a workaround. Else, not sure one can recall Echoloop
> presets in Ableton :)
> >
> > Phil :)
> >
> >
> > On Jul 27, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Per Boysen wrote:
> >
> >> Hey, Phil - did you say PROGRAMME CHANGE! Oh my... A tiny purple
> >> creature at the back of my brain whispers something about Live not
> >> supporting MIDI Program Change events. Maybe you should check that
> >> with a search on the Live forum, I never use Program Change in Live so
> >> I have no hands-on experience of my own on this.
> >>
> >> Greetings from Sweden
> >>
> >> Per Boysen
> >> www.perboysen.com
> >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Phil Clevenger
> >> <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> True enough, but that said, I've not been able to succeed in Ableton
> to recall Echoloop presets via Program Change, even though I have succeeded
> to save named presets for such recall.
> >>>
> >>> My understanding is that these presets are attached to Program Changes
> 1 thru 15.
> >>>
> >>> The only method I've found in Ableton to approach that is by the Bank,
> SubBank, and Program params in the Notes panel for any MIDI clip, but
> Echoloop does not respond to these as far as I can tell.
> >>>
> >>> Phil :)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Jul 27, 2012, at 12:04 PM, andy butler wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Phil Clevenger wrote:
> >>>>> Ahh sure Mark that's relatively easy :)
> >>>>
> >>>> In this respect at least
> >>>> it's just like any other VST plugin, using standard VST presets.
> >>>>
> >>>> (just with the addition of recall via ProgCh).
> >>>>
> >>>> andy
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
>

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Ah yes that should work - I&#39;ve been using lesser methods for testing, b=
ut the LG and DirectMidi should work fine. May not get to that today but I =
will report back :)<div><br></div><div>Phil :)<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote">
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Per Boysen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">perboysen@gmail.com</a>&g=
t;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0=
 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
But don&#39;t you have some MIDI foot pedalboard that can sent MIDI<br>
Program Change? If so, just set up a MIDI signal path piping it into<br>
the Echoloop (Live&#39;s MIDI pref&#39;s, track routing)<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
Greetings from Sweden<br>
<br>
Per Boysen<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com" target=3D"_blank">www.perboysen.com</a=
><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/perboysen" target=3D"_blank">http://www.y=
outube.com/perboysen</a><br>
<br>
<br>
</div>On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Phil Clevenger<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phil.clevenge=
r@gmail.com">phil.clevenger@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; You are correct, Ableton likes notes and CCs only.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I had thought the Ableton feature I described (Program, Bank, Sub-Bank=
 params) could be a workaround. Else, not sure one can recall Echoloop pres=
ets in Ableton :)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Phil :)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Jul 27, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Per Boysen wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Hey, Phil - did you say PROGRAMME CHANGE! Oh my... A tiny purple<b=
r>
&gt;&gt; creature at the back of my brain whispers something about Live not=
<br>
&gt;&gt; supporting MIDI Program Change events. Maybe you should check that=
<br>
&gt;&gt; with a search on the Live forum, I never use Program Change in Liv=
e so<br>
&gt;&gt; I have no hands-on experience of my own on this.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Greetings from Sweden<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Per Boysen<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com" target=3D"_blank">www.perboys=
en.com</a><br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/perboysen" target=3D"_blank">htt=
p://www.youtube.com/perboysen</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Phil Clevenger<br>
&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phil.clevenger@gmail.com">phil.clevenger@gma=
il.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; True enough, but that said, I&#39;ve not been able to succeed =
in Ableton to recall Echoloop presets via Program Change, even though I hav=
e succeeded to save named presets for such recall.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; My understanding is that these presets are attached to Program=
 Changes 1 thru 15.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; The only method I&#39;ve found in Ableton to approach that is =
by the Bank, SubBank, and Program params in the Notes panel for any MIDI cl=
ip, but Echoloop does not respond to these as far as I can tell.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Phil :)<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; On Jul 27, 2012, at 12:04 PM, andy butler wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Phil Clevenger wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Ahh sure Mark that&#39;s relatively easy :)<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; In this respect at least<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; it&#39;s just like any other VST plugin, using standard VS=
T presets.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; (just with the addition of recall via ProgCh).<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; andy<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>

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Monitor Audio Input is of course on :)

On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Phil Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail.com>wrote:

> Still more dirt than fun - !
>
> True: Return tracks (indeed any "Audio To" menu) can see the MIDI track
> when Mobius is in it. The "Audio To" menu now contains 3 options: Left In 2
> - Mobius 2; Left In 3 - Mobius 2; and Left In 4 - Mobius 2.
>
> Regardless of which is selected in the Return track's "Audio To" menu, the
> Mobius instance in my MIDI track does not receive audio.
>
> I tested the same config in an Audio track, and Mobius receieves audio
> from the Return track perfectly.
>
> SO: to recap: in order to escape the computer and move all interaction to
> physical controllers, I want to create a pushbutton solution to govern
> certain parameters normally governed by CControls. That is not possible
> with standard MIDI learn in the host; it is partially possible with Clip
> Envelopes, but they are relative in nature and will fall apart quickly
> during use; and it is completely doable with Echoloop in a MIDI track, and
> using MIDI Clip Envelopes, which are absolute in nature and allow exactly
> the kind of control I seek. The challenge now is getting Echoloop to hear
> audio while sitting in such a MIDI track. This is impossible on its face,
> as Echoloop is invisible to "Audio To" menus when sitting in a MIDI track.
> But, Mobius IS visible to "Audio To" menus when sitting in a MIDI track,
> and could pass audio along to Echoloop if it were next in the chain.
> However, Mobius does not seem to hear any audio directed to it from other
> "Audio To" menus.
>
> *So... how to get audio to Mobius in a MIDI track ?*
>
> No mention of this case in Mobius manual or online. Genuine esoterica here
> :D
>
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 6:31 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Phil Clevenger
>> <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I guess my next step is to see if I can feed audio THROUGH Mobius, or
>> similar, to Echoloop in that channel ! Will post results.
>>
>>
>> Fun, getting dirty now. Make sure to activate Monitor Audio Input in
>> Mobius "Configuration/Global Parameters" and you should be able to
>> play right through it. And hey - maybe you can take away Mobius once
>> you've used it to trick Live? (and still keep the virtual audio path)
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.perboysen.com
>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>
>>
>

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Monitor Audio Input is of course on :)<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On=
 Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Phil Clevenger <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:phil.clevenger@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">phil.clevenger@gmail=
.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Still more dirt than fun - !<div><br></div><=
div>True: Return tracks (indeed any &quot;Audio To&quot; menu) can see the =
MIDI track when Mobius is in it. The &quot;Audio To&quot; menu now contains=
 3 options: Left In 2 - Mobius 2; Left In 3 - Mobius 2; and Left In 4 - Mob=
ius 2.</div>

<div><br></div><div>Regardless of which is selected in the Return track&#39=
;s &quot;Audio To&quot; menu, the Mobius instance in my MIDI track does not=
 receive audio.</div><div><br></div><div>I tested the same config in an Aud=
io track, and Mobius receieves audio from the Return track perfectly.</div>

<div><br></div><div>SO: to recap: in order to escape the computer and move =
all interaction to physical controllers, I want to create a pushbutton solu=
tion to govern certain parameters normally governed by CControls. That is n=
ot possible with standard MIDI learn in the host; it is partially possible =
with Clip Envelopes, but they are relative in nature and will fall apart qu=
ickly during use; and it is completely doable with Echoloop in a MIDI track=
, and using MIDI Clip Envelopes, which are absolute in nature and allow exa=
ctly the kind of control I seek. The challenge now is getting Echoloop to h=
ear audio while sitting in such a MIDI track. This is impossible on its fac=
e, as Echoloop is invisible to &quot;Audio To&quot; menus when sitting in a=
 MIDI track. But, Mobius IS visible to &quot;Audio To&quot; menus when sitt=
ing in a MIDI track, and could pass audio along to Echoloop if it were next=
 in the chain. However, Mobius does not seem to hear any audio directed to =
it from other &quot;Audio To&quot; menus.</div>

<div><br></div><div><i>So... how to get audio to Mobius in a MIDI track ?</=
i></div><div><br></div><div>No mention of this case in Mobius manual or onl=
ine. Genuine esoterica here :D</div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"=
>
<div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 6:31 AM, Per Bo=
ysen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com" target=3D=
"_blank">perboysen@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Phil C=
levenger<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phil.clevenger@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">phil.clev=
enger@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; I guess my next step is to see if I can feed audio THROUGH Mobius, or =
similar, to Echoloop in that channel ! Will post results.<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>Fun, getting dirty now. Make sure to activate Monitor Audio Input in<=
br>
Mobius &quot;Configuration/Global Parameters&quot; and you should be able t=
o<br>
play right through it. And hey - maybe you can take away Mobius once<br>
you&#39;ve used it to trick Live? (and still keep the virtual audio path)<b=
r>
<div><div><br>
Greetings from Sweden<br>
<br>
Per Boysen<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com" target=3D"_blank">www.perboysen.com</a=
><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/perboysen" target=3D"_blank">http://www.y=
outube.com/perboysen</a><br>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br>

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On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 10:39 PM, Phil Clevenger
<phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
> True: Return tracks (indeed any "Audio To" menu) can see the MIDI track when
> Mobius is in it. The "Audio To" menu now contains 3 options: Left In 2 -
> Mobius 2; Left In 3 - Mobius 2; and Left In 4 - Mobius 2.
>
> Regardless of which is selected in the Return track's "Audio To" menu, the
> Mobius instance in my MIDI track does not receive audio.


Ouch. I didn't check that it is actually working, I only checked that
the path was displayed from the Return Track's "Audio To" slot. Oh
well... sorry about the incorrect information - at least we all got a
little more  knowledgeable now.


> I tested the same config in an Audio track, and Mobius receieves audio from
> the Return track perfectly.


Hurray - you have proved that an Audio Track is better for audio than
a MIDI Track!!!  :-)  Another good-to-know thing in Live.


> SO: to recap: in order to escape the computer and move all interaction to
> physical controllers, I want to create a pushbutton solution to govern
> certain parameters normally governed by CControls. That is not possible with
> standard MIDI learn in the host;


Hey - I used lots of pushbuttons back in January when doing a gig with
Live! You just click the MIDI Map Mode Switch (in Live), push your
external pushbutton, click the target function in Live (or a hosted
plugin) and watch the incoming MIDI event getting listed with the
binding in the Mapping Browser. Now, I guess that you have not
discovered that you can set an off value as well as an on value for
pushbuttons. At the bottom row you are also able to change the type of
CC# functionality (incremental etc) but that's another story.


>
> So... how to get audio to Mobius in a MIDI track ?

Why not take the completely opposite approach: slap the looper on an
Audio Track and try finding out how to get MIDI to it?

I'm interested in your research because myself I gave up on Echoloop
and went with Mobius instead for Ableton Live (because I had a
deadline). The nice thing with Mobius is that it allows you to set, IN
THE PLUGIN, what MIDI port it shall listen to  and you won't ever have
to bother with Live at all. Just set up the MIDI bindings in the
looper and stay away from any of these confusing signal routing
workarounds of Ableton's.

Per

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I am thinking I may spend the day exploring Mobius :)

Thanks for your help I think we've gone as far as we can go here !

For clarity though, re:

<<<Hey - I used lots of pushbuttons back in January when doing a gig with
Live! You just click the MIDI Map Mode Switch (in Live), push your
external pushbutton, click the target function in Live (or a hosted
plugin) and watch the incoming MIDI event getting listed with the
binding in the Mapping Browser. Now, I guess that you have not
discovered that you can set an off value as well as an on value for
pushbuttons. At the bottom row you are also able to change the type of
CC# functionality (incremental etc) but that's another story.>>>

Yes that is easy and obvious in Ableton. My problem is that I want many
buttons governing a single CC control:

For instance - the  Quantize menu in Echoloop has four options: Off, Loop,
Cycle, and Subcycle. I want one button to always activate Loop; and one to
always activate Cycle. I can do the first, by mapping my button to the
Quantize CC, and setting Min and Max to same, correct, value. The challenge
is now wanting another button to hit that same CC with a different min/max
value. Ableton will not allow this.

For a four-slot CC like this, it is not so much of a problem, as one can
easily map to a knob or fader. But, apply this same scenario to the
Subcycles control in Echoloop: a continuous range of 0-127; within that
range there are only a few useful settings to me right now: 2, 4, 8, 16,
32. Try hitting those on a fader or knob, in a dark room on a tiny computer
screen !  Five buttons... it's all I need... ;)

Never satisfied but mostly happy,

Phil :)



On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 10:39 PM, Phil Clevenger
> <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
> > True: Return tracks (indeed any "Audio To" menu) can see the MIDI track
> when
> > Mobius is in it. The "Audio To" menu now contains 3 options: Left In 2 -
> > Mobius 2; Left In 3 - Mobius 2; and Left In 4 - Mobius 2.
> >
> > Regardless of which is selected in the Return track's "Audio To" menu,
> the
> > Mobius instance in my MIDI track does not receive audio.
>
>
> Ouch. I didn't check that it is actually working, I only checked that
> the path was displayed from the Return Track's "Audio To" slot. Oh
> well... sorry about the incorrect information - at least we all got a
> little more  knowledgeable now.
>
>
> > I tested the same config in an Audio track, and Mobius receieves audio
> from
> > the Return track perfectly.
>
>
> Hurray - you have proved that an Audio Track is better for audio than
> a MIDI Track!!!  :-)  Another good-to-know thing in Live.
>
>
> > SO: to recap: in order to escape the computer and move all interaction to
> > physical controllers, I want to create a pushbutton solution to govern
> > certain parameters normally governed by CControls. That is not possible
> with
> > standard MIDI learn in the host;
>
>
> Hey - I used lots of pushbuttons back in January when doing a gig with
> Live! You just click the MIDI Map Mode Switch (in Live), push your
> external pushbutton, click the target function in Live (or a hosted
> plugin) and watch the incoming MIDI event getting listed with the
> binding in the Mapping Browser. Now, I guess that you have not
> discovered that you can set an off value as well as an on value for
> pushbuttons. At the bottom row you are also able to change the type of
> CC# functionality (incremental etc) but that's another story.
>
>
> >
> > So... how to get audio to Mobius in a MIDI track ?
>
> Why not take the completely opposite approach: slap the looper on an
> Audio Track and try finding out how to get MIDI to it?
>
> I'm interested in your research because myself I gave up on Echoloop
> and went with Mobius instead for Ableton Live (because I had a
> deadline). The nice thing with Mobius is that it allows you to set, IN
> THE PLUGIN, what MIDI port it shall listen to  and you won't ever have
> to bother with Live at all. Just set up the MIDI bindings in the
> looper and stay away from any of these confusing signal routing
> workarounds of Ableton's.
>
> Per
>
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I am thinking I may spend the day exploring Mobius :)<div><br></div><div>Th=
anks for your help I think we&#39;ve gone as far as we can go here !</div><=
div><br></div><div>For clarity though, re:=A0</div><div><br></div><div><spa=
n style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;=
background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">&lt;&lt;&lt;Hey - I used lots of pushbut=
tons back in January when doing a gig with</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(34,=
34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255=
,255,255)">
<span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:1=
3px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Live! You just click the MIDI Map Mo=
de Switch (in Live), push your</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-=
family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:1=
3px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">external pushbutton, click the targe=
t function in Live (or a hosted</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font=
-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:1=
3px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">plugin) and watch the incoming MIDI =
event getting listed with the</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-f=
amily:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:1=
3px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">binding in the Mapping Browser. Now,=
 I guess that you have not</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-fami=
ly:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:1=
3px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">discovered that you can set an off v=
alue as well as an on value for</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font=
-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:1=
3px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">pushbuttons. At the bottom row you a=
re also able to change the type of</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);f=
ont-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255=
)">
<span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:1=
3px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">CC# functionality (incremental etc) =
but that&#39;s another story.&gt;&gt;&gt;</span></div><div><font color=3D"#=
222222" face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div><div><font color=3D"#222222" face=3D"arial, sans-serif">Yes th=
at is easy and obvious in Ableton. My problem is that I want many buttons g=
overning a single CC control:</font></div><div><font color=3D"#222222" face=
=3D"arial, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div><div><font color=3D"#222222" face=3D"arial, sans-serif">For in=
stance - the =A0Quantize menu in Echoloop has four options: Off, Loop, Cycl=
e, and Subcycle. I want one button to always activate Loop; and one to alwa=
ys activate Cycle. I can do the first, by mapping my button to the Quantize=
 CC, and setting Min and Max to same, correct, value. The challenge is now =
wanting another button to hit that same CC with a different min/max value. =
Ableton will not allow this.</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#222222" face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><d=
iv><font color=3D"#222222" face=3D"arial, sans-serif">For a four-slot CC li=
ke this, it is not so much of a problem, as one can easily map to a knob or=
 fader. But, apply this same scenario to the Subcycles control in Echoloop:=
 a continuous range of 0-127; within that range there are only a few useful=
 settings to me right now: 2, 4, 8, 16, 32. Try hitting those on a fader or=
 knob, in a dark room on a tiny computer screen ! =A0Five buttons... it&#39=
;s all I need... ;)</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#222222" face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><d=
iv><font color=3D"#222222" face=3D"arial, sans-serif">Never satisfied but m=
ostly happy,</font></div><div><font color=3D"#222222" face=3D"arial, sans-s=
erif"><br>
</font></div><div><font color=3D"#222222" face=3D"arial, sans-serif">Phil :=
)</font></div><div><font color=3D"#222222" face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><br><=
/font></div><div><font color=3D"#222222" face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><br></f=
ont><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Per Boysen <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">=
perboysen@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
>
<div class=3D"im">On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 10:39 PM, Phil Clevenger<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phil.clevenger@gmail.com">phil.clevenger@gmail.com</a=
>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; True: Return tracks (indeed any &quot;Audio To&quot; menu) can see the=
 MIDI track when<br>
&gt; Mobius is in it. The &quot;Audio To&quot; menu now contains 3 options:=
 Left In 2 -<br>
&gt; Mobius 2; Left In 3 - Mobius 2; and Left In 4 - Mobius 2.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Regardless of which is selected in the Return track&#39;s &quot;Audio =
To&quot; menu, the<br>
&gt; Mobius instance in my MIDI track does not receive audio.<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>Ouch. I didn&#39;t check that it is actually working, I only checked =
that<br>
the path was displayed from the Return Track&#39;s &quot;Audio To&quot; slo=
t. Oh<br>
well... sorry about the incorrect information - at least we all got a<br>
little more =A0knowledgeable now.<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
<br>
&gt; I tested the same config in an Audio track, and Mobius receieves audio=
 from<br>
&gt; the Return track perfectly.<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>Hurray - you have proved that an Audio Track is better for audio than=
<br>
a MIDI Track!!! =A0:-) =A0Another good-to-know thing in Live.<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
<br>
&gt; SO: to recap: in order to escape the computer and move all interaction=
 to<br>
&gt; physical controllers, I want to create a pushbutton solution to govern=
<br>
&gt; certain parameters normally governed by CControls. That is not possibl=
e with<br>
&gt; standard MIDI learn in the host;<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>Hey - I used lots of pushbuttons back in January when doing a gig wit=
h<br>
Live! You just click the MIDI Map Mode Switch (in Live), push your<br>
external pushbutton, click the target function in Live (or a hosted<br>
plugin) and watch the incoming MIDI event getting listed with the<br>
binding in the Mapping Browser. Now, I guess that you have not<br>
discovered that you can set an off value as well as an on value for<br>
pushbuttons. At the bottom row you are also able to change the type of<br>
CC# functionality (incremental etc) but that&#39;s another story.<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; So... how to get audio to Mobius in a MIDI track ?<br>
<br>
</div>Why not take the completely opposite approach: slap the looper on an<=
br>
Audio Track and try finding out how to get MIDI to it?<br>
<br>
I&#39;m interested in your research because myself I gave up on Echoloop<br=
>
and went with Mobius instead for Ableton Live (because I had a<br>
deadline). The nice thing with Mobius is that it allows you to set, IN<br>
THE PLUGIN, what MIDI port it shall listen to =A0and you won&#39;t ever hav=
e<br>
to bother with Live at all. Just set up the MIDI bindings in the<br>
looper and stay away from any of these confusing signal routing<br>
workarounds of Ableton&#39;s.<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Per<br>
<br>
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On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 9:04 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
it's just like any other VST plugin, using standard VST presets.

(just with the addition of recall via ProgCh).

>
>
Whaddyamean the addition of recall via ProgCh?

As for using VST presets .. you mean that to select "Presets" within
Echoloop I should save them as VST presets (think I know how to do that in
Mulch) and then recall THEM.. Damn... Im not using my foot controller to do
ANY things to Mulch... I guess I could... Id rather skip that and ProgCh
the plugin... is that what you mean???
So how?

(sitting in new house with no foot pedal or guitar handy... so... this is a
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andard VST presets.<br>


<br>
(just with the addition of recall via ProgCh).<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font =
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</font></span></blockquote><br>Whaddyamean the addition of recall via ProgC=
h?<br><br>As for using VST presets .. you mean that to select &quot;Presets=
&quot; within Echoloop I should save them as VST presets (think I know how =
to do that in Mulch) and then recall THEM.. Damn... Im not using my foot co=
ntroller to do ANY things to Mulch... I guess I could... Id rather skip tha=
t and ProgCh the plugin... is that what you mean???<br>

So how? <br><br>(sitting in new house with no foot pedal or guitar handy...=
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On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 11:42 PM, Phil Clevenger
<phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes that is easy and obvious in Ableton. My problem is that I want many
> buttons governing a single CC control:

Ah, I see. That was one of the reasons I wanted to move over from Live
to Mainstage: I too like to use many pushbuttons targeting the same
plugin parameter. The typical example is a Tape Delay simulation
plugin; I use two buttons to reach four alternative loop lengths. But
Echoloop isn't available as an AU plugin, so I won't discuss Mainstage
more in this thread.


> For a four-slot CC like this, it is not so much of a problem, as one can
> easily map to a knob or fader. But, apply this same scenario to the
> Subcycles control in Echoloop: a continuous range of 0-127; within that
> range there are only a few useful settings to me right now: 2, 4, 8, 16, 32.
> Try hitting those on a fader or knob, in a dark room on a tiny computer
> screen !  Five buttons... it's all I need... ;)

The scripting option in Mobius makes all that super easy. I don't use
programs at all (yet, but it is possible) but change all general setup
parameters directly from buttons on my FaderFox MIDI mixer/buttonpad
(or foot pedalboard). Anything you want to happen you can just type it
into a text file, save it into the scripts folder, import that script
into Mobius and them assign your MIDI event of choice to activate it.
Just for an example, to change Subcycles for waltz looping I mocked up
this script:

!8ths Per Cycle 12
set 8thsPerCycle 12
set 8thsPerCycle $save8thsPerCycle

Not very complicated. This only changes one thing, but one might as
well have a script that changes hundreds of parameter values in one
go. So, no need for programs really, as I see it.

Good night for now

Per

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Can I just say that I wish there was a Per Boysen for Unity3D and javascript?<br><br>Thank-you... and night night<br><br>Mark<br>

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Hi Phil=2CIf you need to have more than one CC message control one function=
=2C maybe the midi CC router here could be of use?http://thepiz.org/plugins=
/?p=3DpizmidiThese are very handy little plugins for general use anyway..
Peace
G

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

> Subject: Re: Echoloop Presets?
> From: phil.clevenger@gmail.com
> Date: Fri=2C 27 Jul 2012 12:43:02 -0700
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=20
> True enough=2C but that said=2C I've not been able to succeed in Ableton =
to recall Echoloop presets via Program Change=2C even though I have succeed=
ed to save named presets for such recall.
>=20
> My understanding is that these presets are attached to Program Changes 1 =
thru 15.
>=20
> The only method I've found in Ableton to approach that is by the Bank=2C =
SubBank=2C and Program params in the Notes panel for any MIDI clip=2C but E=
choloop does not respond to these as far as I can tell.
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> Phil :)
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> On Jul 27=2C 2012=2C at 12:04 PM=2C andy butler wrote:
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> > Phil Clevenger wrote:
> >> Ahh sure Mark that's relatively easy :)
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> > (just with the addition of recall via ProgCh).
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Hello!=20Correct=20me=20if=20I'm=20wrong,=20but=20I=20believe=20that=20my=
=20friend=20Lizzie=20and=20I=20are=20the=20only=20blind=20
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I use Mobius and practically never need to watch the screen. I totally
loop with my feet, using a MIDI foot pedalboard. If you perform
without shoes you can easily feel the kick pads with your feet and be
in total control. A pedalboard with ten buttons will give you acces to
the traditional EDP style looping (and more!) if you set it up for the
ten actions:

1. Record,
2. Overdub,
3. Multiply,
4. Substitute,
5. Speed,
6. Reverse,
7. Previous Loop,
8. Next Loop,
9. Previous Track,
10. Next Track,

> Hello! Correct me if I'm wrong,

I think you are wrong and will now correct you. Long ago a blind
keyboard player came out on this list. I don't remember his name (hey
- maybe he is reading this? Feel free to chime in if so) but he is
French and played for a while with Jon Hassell. I remember that
because I like Hassell's music very much and it turned out I actually
remembered this piano player from a concert Hassell did here in
Stockholm around 1986 (he was using a very cool "freeze reverb" effect
with his piano keyboard and I totally loved that sound).

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Tyler <programmer651@comcast.net> wrote:
> Hello! Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that my friend Lizzie and I are the only blind
> loopers. I like the sound of live looping, but I don't really do it. I'm on this list because I loop
> in the studio all the time, and you know what Kim said, and what Violet says, about the list. But I like
> live looping, and would like to try it. I have this feeling that a loop pedal is very visual, and there are a
> lot of visual cues. A JAWS screen reader may be able to understand Ableton and Mobius. So,
> what do you think of blind live looping? Anything that may not be visual? While you come up with an answer,
> we blind loopers, or "bloopers," will keep studio looping.
> Tyler Z
>

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Hello, actually, I would like to believe that a good looper setup with a =
well thought pedalboard ergonomy should do the trick.
I am not blind, but I don't like loopers that rely on visual cues, they, =
in my humble opinion don't work well when you improvise. I like to be =
able to close my eyes and think about what I play, and travel deep into =
it without cluttering my mind with visual diversions. Or just wander my =
eyes elsewhere.
We actually submitted an iOS app that mainly relies on pedalboard =
ergonomy ( the loopr.net website gives a bit more info about our work ), =
and the way I like to use it. It's still in review at Apple (has been 15 =
days now=85) so it should come out soon. If you can have an iPod a MIDI =
interface and a pedalboard lent to you, I can send you a copy as soon as =
it's out for you to try. Otherwise you might want to find an old Lexicon =
JamMan, thought it's probably technologically outdated, musically it's =
great, after a bit of practice using a MIDI pedalboard you actually =
don't need the screen or any visuals.
Cheers, hope you can get to it soon,
;)
z

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> Hello! Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that my friend Lizzie =
and I are the only blind=20
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I'm on this list because I loop=20
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loop pedal is very visual, and there are a=20
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Ableton and Mobius. So,=20
> what do you think of blind live looping? Anything that may not be =
visual? While you come up with an answer,=20
> we blind loopers, or "bloopers," will keep studio looping.
> Tyler Z
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">Hello, actually, I would like to believe that a good looper setup with =
a well thought pedalboard ergonomy should do the trick.<br>I am not =
blind, but I don't like loopers that rely on visual cues, they, in my =
humble opinion don't work well when you improvise. I like to be able to =
close my eyes and think about what I play, and travel deep into it =
without cluttering my mind with visual diversions. Or just wander my =
eyes elsewhere.<br>We actually submitted an iOS app that mainly relies =
on pedalboard ergonomy ( the&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"http://loopr.net/">loopr.net</a>&nbsp;website gives a bit more =
info about our work ), and the way I like to use it. It's still in =
review at Apple (has been 15 days now=85) so it should come out soon. If =
you can have an iPod a MIDI interface and a pedalboard lent to you, I =
can send you a copy as soon as it's out for you to try. Otherwise you =
might want to find an old Lexicon JamMan, thought it's probably =
technologically outdated, musically it's great, after a bit of practice =
using a MIDI pedalboard you actually don't need the screen or any =
visuals.<br>Cheers, hope you can get to it =
soon,<br>;)<br>z<div><br><div><div>On 28 juil. 2012, at 10:16, Tyler =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>Hello! Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that my =
friend Lizzie and I are the only blind <br>loopers. I like the sound of =
live looping, but I don't really do it. I'm on this list because I loop =
<br>in the studio all the time, and you know what Kim said, and what =
Violet says, about the list. But I like <br>live looping, and would like =
to try it. I have this feeling that a loop pedal is very visual, and =
there are a <br>lot of visual cues. A JAWS screen reader may be able to =
understand Ableton and Mobius. So, <br>what do you think of blind live =
looping? Anything that may not be visual? While you come up with an =
answer, <br>we blind loopers, or "bloopers," will keep studio =
looping.<br>Tyler =
Z<br><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>=

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Per Boysen wrote:
 
> Why not take the completely opposite approach: slap the looper on an
> Audio Track and try finding out how to get MIDI to it?

yep, that way always worked for me.

The problem with Ableton is perhaps it has features that
raise a certain expectation in the user.

The *only* feature that's  required is "just route my midi
controller to the audio plugin".
That's what Echoloop is designed for.


> The nice thing with Mobius is that it allows you to set, IN
> THE PLUGIN, what MIDI port it shall listen to  


A similar workaround for would be to run Plogue Bidule as a VST plugin(requires registration)
and use that as a 'wrapper' for Echoloop.



Basically this whole midi routing thing is a real issue with many VST hosts.
Many host developers believe that it isn't necessary to feed midi direct
to a plugin because.........


andy

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Hi loopers,

Erdem and I decided to make a full album stream available at
SoundCloud. All 10 tracks in an hour long sweet stream.

http://soundcloud.com/pboy/sub-city-2064-album-stream

All album tracks here mashed into one long sound file, just for the
reason of easier maintenance. Hope some folks still will enjoy the
noise we made two years ago :-)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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http://www.youtube.com/perboysen

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>
>
> It's been quite a few weeks since I've touched my keyboard. But 
> finally got around to it. This isnt 100% improvised because od me 
> wanting to maintain the same musical idea throughout the 10-15 tries 
> it took to record one i liked. Let me know what you guys think! Thanks 
> :) Link below
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__aRoZ_6JkE&feature=youtube_gdata_player 
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__aRoZ_6JkE&feature=youtube_gdata_player>
>
The following comments are not meant as a critizism of what you do in 
the video, rather than as thoughts about a possible different approach 
technically for this form of looping:

1. If you're using loops of MIDI-enabled instruments (which, to me, 
seems to be the case in all of your sound sources here), there's always 
the two possibilities of audio vs. MIDI lopping . The former is the only 
thing which allows you to get the reverse effect, and to properly "cut 
audio in pieces" (both of which you don't seem to do that much in your 
music. The latter has the advantage that even with a rather simple 
system setup, you can have full multitracking and change sounds of an 
already recorded loop in a radical fashion. And also get a "proper" 
speed change (i.e. without the need of using complex timestretch 
algorithms).

I would suggest you have a look at the possibility of working with MIDI 
loops (Ableton Live is rather strong in that department) and see how 
this works for you.
(self-marketing nota bene: when I had started to work with a computer in 
my loop stuff and was still using a lot of synth/computer drum voices, I 
would usually record acoustic instruments in Möbius hosted in Live, and 
loop MIDI stuff with MIDI clips directly in live. Examples on the Weird 
Specialist album http://moinlabs.de/index.php?id=273)

2. Synthesizers often sound less lively in comparison to "proper" 
instruments. One way to work around that when working with loops is to 
add time-variant processing to the loop output which is not in sync with 
the loop length. E.g. use a kind of filter thing modulated by an LFO, 
the period of which is 5/4 of the loop length - voila. This works both 
with audio and MIDI loops. You can also do that by affecting parameters 
of the synth (if using MIDI loops), and if working with e.g. Live use a 
MIDI clip of different length to control them.

       Rainer

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> The *only* feature that's  required is "just route my midi
> controller to the audio plugin".
>=20

Andy, if only this were true !

I do indeed have Midi being routed direct to the VST, that's easy peasy =
and Bob is indeed my auntie's husband :D=20

But, there is no direct midi command to set Subcycles to 16, or to set =
Insert to Stutter, for instance.=20

If I am missing something do let me know as I have torn out *almost* all =
my hair over this one ;)

Best,

Phil :)




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Phil Clevenger wrote:
>> The *only* feature that's  required is "just route my midi
>> controller to the audio plugin".
>>
> 
> Andy, if only this were true !
> 




It *does* change vst preset when it gets ProgCh.
I have the Subcycle numbers flipping about as I type.

and Yes, it does that in Ableton, the only strangeness being that
Ableton insists on changing the Midi Channel to 1 when
it forwards to the plugin.

Apart from this glitch with the note-On, I get the behaviour 
I always had:-
Link up my usual EDP midi controller to computer.
Follow my Ableton Howto.
Echoloop responds just like an EDP.

Currently I'm having a problem with the windows version which needs fixing though ;-(
Anyone who got the latest win version may find it not responding to Note-On at all.
(trying to be too quick editing out mac specific code)

andy

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Rainer Straschill wrote:
>>MIDI lopping . 

Is there a midi looper that doesn't quantise at all?
That doesn't need a click to get the first loop right?

andy

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Anyone using Echoloop on pc please download this
(even if you already got a file of this name)

http://www.andybutler.com/mathons/EcholoopPCv430.zip


The latest Echoloop vers.
...and instructions howto run it in Live, which works in all respects( for mac also)

previous upload had an error in th midi responnse.


andy
Mathons

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andy butler schrieb:
> Rainer Straschill wrote:
>>> MIDI lopping . 
> Is there a midi looper that doesn't quantise at all?
> That doesn't need a click to get the first loop right?
First question: "not at all" is not true for any kind of sequencer, but 
most allow to have the quantization as fine as their MIDI timebase 
(which is usually something like 480 or 960 divisions per quarter?). 
That being said, Ableton Live (which I gave as an example) allows you to 
turn quantize off.

Second question: well...there was a thing called Musicbox (80s 
ANSI-graphics "kinda-free" PC program) which had a sequencer module 
which (if I remember correctly) allowed you to do just this (nota bene: 
this software was some kind of a modular environment for generating and 
processing MIDI): the sequencer recorded events in a timebase relative 
to the sequencer start and with that, it should be possible.

             Rainer

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http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels?playlist_date=07-26-2012

Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that
airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem,
PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville
and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet.  WDIY also broadcasts
in Digital HD at 88.1 FM.

                 Show #799                July 26, 2012.

WDIY Playlist:
http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels?playlist_date=07-26-2012

RECAP:
On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Radio Massacre
International.  The Featured CD at Midnight was "Lost in Transit 3 -
Damo" on Northern Echo.


PLAYLIST:

11:04 pm
ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Kevin Braheny        Starflight 1 *       Galaxies (Hearts of Space)
Shane Morris and     Triassic Extinction  Epoch (Lotuspike)
   Mystified
R. O. Berger         Reveille             The Euston Sampler (none)
R. O. Berger         In a Rush            The Euston Sampler (none)
Steve Dinsdale       Part 3               The Vast Key (Northern Echo)
Pragate              Cork on the Waves    The WorldAbove Us (none)
Seren Ffordd +       Entangled            The Matian Chronicles (Hypnos)
   Oophoi               Symmetries
Radio Massacre       Part 1               Lost in Transit 4 - Damo
   International                             (Northern Echo)
Radio Massacre       Part 2               Lost in Transit 4 - Damo
   International                             (Northern Echo)


12:00 am
ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Radio Massacre       Part 3               Lost in Transit 4 - Damo
   International                             (Northern Echo)
Radio Massacre       Part 4               Lost in Transit 4 - Damo
   International                             (Northern Echo)
Radio Massacre       Part 5               Lost in Transit 4 - Damo
   International                             (Northern Echo)
Radio Massacre       Part 6               Lost in Transit 4 - Damo
   International                             (Northern Echo)


1:00 am

  * = excerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
++ = Advance CDR from Artist
-- = Background music under interview


NEXT SHOW:
On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on The
Tangent Project.  The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Return."

Bill
========================================================================
Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show,
Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and
Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in
Trexlertown and Fogelsville.  WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio
on 88.1 FM.
Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org on-line.

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The  guy Per is mentioning is Jean Philippe Rykiel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Philippe_Rykiel 
  the great french pianist and composer. he was trying to find a new  
Repeater or a new solution for his Repeater which was great unit for  
him because it was so big and had large tactile buttons and sliders.   
Someone was trying to convince him that some kind of large pad surface  
controller with a software looper, might be a solution. Not sure how  
that turned out for him, he didn't stick around that long. , I  
followed up with Jean for a while, I even arranged for Bernard Wagner  
to go meet with him and help him get his new tech together but I'm not  
sure that ever transpired. A great guy and wonderful musician. He has  
played with and produced many of the top west african musicians in the  
world. Any of the current hardware pedal loopers I believe would offer  
you enough tactile feel that you could get around, it all depends on  
how advanced you want to go. per's solution is very good as long as  
you have someone to help you get your templates and commands  together.
  Bill
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composer. he was trying to find a new Repeater or a new solution for his =
Repeater which was great unit for him because it was so big and had =
large tactile buttons and sliders. &nbsp;Someone was trying to convince =
him that some kind of large pad surface controller with a software =
looper, might be a solution. Not sure how that turned out for him, he =
didn't stick around that long. , I followed up with Jean for a while, I =
even arranged for Bernard Wagner to go meet with him and help him get =
his new tech together but I'm not sure that ever transpired. A great guy =
and wonderful musician. He has played with and produced many of the top =
west african musicians in the world. Any of the =
current&nbsp;hardware&nbsp;pedal loopers I believe would offer you =
enough tactile feel that you could get around, it all depends on how =
advanced you want to go. per's solution is very good as long as you have =
someone to help you get your templates and commands =
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Perhaps you could use a WiiRemote as a method of controlling any
looping audio interface or VST/AU. This could be achieved in Pure Data
or Max/MSP. The WiiRemote could provide tactile feedback through the
vibration function, perhaps providing tactile cues for loop points. I
could perhaps build one for you to try in Max for Live/Ableton.

Ricky

On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 11:25 AM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
> The  guy Per is mentioning is Jean Philippe Rykiel
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Philippe_Rykiel the great french pianist
> and composer. he was trying to find a new Repeater or a new solution for his
> Repeater which was great unit for him because it was so big and had large
> tactile buttons and sliders.  Someone was trying to convince him that some
> kind of large pad surface controller with a software looper, might be a
> solution. Not sure how that turned out for him, he didn't stick around that
> long. , I followed up with Jean for a while, I even arranged for Bernard
> Wagner to go meet with him and help him get his new tech together but I'm
> not sure that ever transpired. A great guy and wonderful musician. He has
> played with and produced many of the top west african musicians in the
> world. Any of the current hardware pedal loopers I believe would offer you
> enough tactile feel that you could get around, it all depends on how
> advanced you want to go. per's solution is very good as long as you have
> someone to help you get your templates and commands  together.
>  Bill

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I'm not sure I know what you mean. I'm a bit confused to be honest.

On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 4:59 AM, Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.co=
m
> wrote:

>
>>
>> It's been quite a few weeks since I've touched my keyboard. But finally
>> got around to it. This isnt 100% improvised because od me wanting to
>> maintain the same musical idea throughout the 10-15 tries it took to rec=
ord
>> one i liked. Let me know what you guys think! Thanks :) Link below
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=3D__aRoZ_6JkE&feature=3Dyoutube_**
>> gdata_player<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D__aRoZ_6JkE&feature=3Dyou=
tube_gdata_player><
>> https://www.youtube.com/**watch?v=3D__aRoZ_6JkE&feature=3D**
>> youtube_gdata_player<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D__aRoZ_6JkE&featu=
re=3Dyoutube_gdata_player>
>> >
>>
>>  The following comments are not meant as a critizism of what you do in
> the video, rather than as thoughts about a possible different approach
> technically for this form of looping:
>
> 1. If you're using loops of MIDI-enabled instruments (which, to me, seems
> to be the case in all of your sound sources here), there's always the two
> possibilities of audio vs. MIDI lopping . The former is the only thing
> which allows you to get the reverse effect, and to properly "cut audio in
> pieces" (both of which you don't seem to do that much in your music. The
> latter has the advantage that even with a rather simple system setup, you
> can have full multitracking and change sounds of an already recorded loop
> in a radical fashion. And also get a "proper" speed change (i.e. without
> the need of using complex timestretch algorithms).
>
> I would suggest you have a look at the possibility of working with MIDI
> loops (Ableton Live is rather strong in that department) and see how this
> works for you.
> (self-marketing nota bene: when I had started to work with a computer in
> my loop stuff and was still using a lot of synth/computer drum voices, I
> would usually record acoustic instruments in M=F6bius hosted in Live, and
> loop MIDI stuff with MIDI clips directly in live. Examples on the Weird
> Specialist album http://moinlabs.de/index.php?**id=3D273<http://moinlabs.=
de/index.php?id=3D273>
> )
>
> 2. Synthesizers often sound less lively in comparison to "proper"
> instruments. One way to work around that when working with loops is to ad=
d
> time-variant processing to the loop output which is not in sync with the
> loop length. E.g. use a kind of filter thing modulated by an LFO, the
> period of which is 5/4 of the loop length - voila. This works both with
> audio and MIDI loops. You can also do that by affecting parameters of the
> synth (if using MIDI loops), and if working with e.g. Live use a MIDI cli=
p
> of different length to control them.
>
>       Rainer
>
> --
> http://moinlabs.de
> Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs
>
>

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I&#39;m not sure I know what you mean. I&#39;m a bit confused to be honest.=
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 4:59 AM, Rainer =
Straschill <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:moinsound@googlemail.com=
" target=3D"_blank">moinsound@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D=
"im">
<br>
<br>
It&#39;s been quite a few weeks since I&#39;ve touched my keyboard. But fin=
ally got around to it. This isnt 100% improvised because od me wanting to m=
aintain the same musical idea throughout the 10-15 tries it took to record =
one i liked. Let me know what you guys think! Thanks :) Link below<br>

<br>
</div><a href=3D"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D__aRoZ_6JkE&amp;feature=
=3Dyoutube_gdata_player" target=3D"_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?<u=
></u>v=3D__aRoZ_6JkE&amp;feature=3Dyoutube_<u></u>gdata_player</a> &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D__aRoZ_6JkE&amp;feature=3Dyoutube_=
gdata_player" target=3D"_blank">https://www.youtube.com/<u></u>watch?v=3D__=
aRoZ_6JkE&amp;feature=3D<u></u>youtube_gdata_player</a>&gt;<br>

<br>
</blockquote>
The following comments are not meant as a critizism of what you do in the v=
ideo, rather than as thoughts about a possible different approach technical=
ly for this form of looping:<br>
<br>
1. If you&#39;re using loops of MIDI-enabled instruments (which, to me, see=
ms to be the case in all of your sound sources here), there&#39;s always th=
e two possibilities of audio vs. MIDI lopping . The former is the only thin=
g which allows you to get the reverse effect, and to properly &quot;cut aud=
io in pieces&quot; (both of which you don&#39;t seem to do that much in you=
r music. The latter has the advantage that even with a rather simple system=
 setup, you can have full multitracking and change sounds of an already rec=
orded loop in a radical fashion. And also get a &quot;proper&quot; speed ch=
ange (i.e. without the need of using complex timestretch algorithms).<br>

<br>
I would suggest you have a look at the possibility of working with MIDI loo=
ps (Ableton Live is rather strong in that department) and see how this work=
s for you.<br>
(self-marketing nota bene: when I had started to work with a computer in my=
 loop stuff and was still using a lot of synth/computer drum voices, I woul=
d usually record acoustic instruments in M=F6bius hosted in Live, and loop =
MIDI stuff with MIDI clips directly in live. Examples on the Weird Speciali=
st album <a href=3D"http://moinlabs.de/index.php?id=3D273" target=3D"_blank=
">http://moinlabs.de/index.php?<u></u>id=3D273</a>)<br>

<br>
2. Synthesizers often sound less lively in comparison to &quot;proper&quot;=
 instruments. One way to work around that when working with loops is to add=
 time-variant processing to the loop output which is not in sync with the l=
oop length. E.g. use a kind of filter thing modulated by an LFO, the period=
 of which is 5/4 of the loop length - voila. This works both with audio and=
 MIDI loops. You can also do that by affecting parameters of the synth (if =
using MIDI loops), and if working with e.g. Live use a MIDI clip of differe=
nt length to control them.<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><b=
r>

<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 Rainer<br>
<br>
-- <br>
<a href=3D"http://moinlabs.de" target=3D"_blank">http://moinlabs.de</a><br>
Follow me on twitter: <a href=3D"http://twitter.com/moinlabs" target=3D"_bl=
ank">http://twitter.com/moinlabs</a><br>
<br>
</font></span></blockquote></div><br>

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I guess this is a rather odd question but I'm curious. Do you only listen
to it for improvement? Or do you enjoy listening to yourself just as you
would listen to an artist you like?

-- 
http://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238

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I guess this is a rather odd question but I&#39;m curious. Do you only list=
en to it for improvement? Or do you enjoy listening to yourself just as you=
 would listen to an artist you like?<br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><a href=3D=
"http://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238">http://www.facebook.com=
/pages/K3Z/311236368904238</a><br>
<br><a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/user/gumdrops27">http://www.youtube.c=
om/user/gumdrops27</a><br><br><a href=3D"https://twitter.com/K3Z_Art">https=
://twitter.com/K3Z_Art</a><br><br><a href=3D"http://www.soundcloud.com/k3z"=
>www.soundcloud.com/k3z</a><br>
<br>

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this subject touches me
I am fascinated by the man-machine interfaces for a long time
and we have been discussing the shoe gazing appearence of most loopers

So I have been thinking about a pedal which can be operated without =
looking (be it that the musician looks at the public or at the =
instrument or at the equipment he operates or he closes his eyes or he =
is blind=85)
for a start its probably enough to extend an existing pedal with =
outstanding bits that can be felt with the foot for orientation

sure, its helpful to see the loop time and multiple counting and such, =
but I do not think its essential
the Echoloop plugin sends its state by MIDI so you could verify it with =
a braille display?

or the feedback could happen with little electro magnets around the =
pedal that hit the feet or so?

On 28 Jul 2012, at 5:16 AM, Tyler wrote:

> Hello! Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that my friend Lizzie =
and I are the only blind=20
> loopers. I like the sound of live looping, but I don't really do it. =
I'm on this list because I loop=20
> in the studio all the time, and you know what Kim said, and what =
Violet says, about the list. But I like=20
> live looping, and would like to try it. I have this feeling that a =
loop pedal is very visual, and there are a=20
> lot of visual cues. A JAWS screen reader may be able to understand =
Ableton and Mobius. So,=20
> what do you think of blind live looping? Anything that may not be =
visual? While you come up with an answer,=20
> we blind loopers, or "bloopers," will keep studio looping.
> Tyler Z
>=20

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I listen to my own music as I would listen to an artist I like AND for improvement. I like the stuff I've been doing lately (as well as a lot of my old stuff) but my newer stuff has really improved. After decades of experimenting with amps, effects, loopers, guitars, drum machines, percussion instruments, microphone placement, et al, I've come to a place where I like what I'm doing. 

 

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I guess this is a rather odd question but I'm curious. Do you only listen to it for improvement? Or do you enjoy listening to yourself just as you would listen to an artist you like?

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Andy -=20

Please cue "You Can't Always Get What You Want." :)

Because I just got what I need !

You are of course correct that the Echoloop is responding to Pgm =
Changes, but I could not see that - because the Preset Banks popup menu =
does not update to show the current preset when it's being switched =
remotely !  (prolly worth a bugfix?)

Digging deeper for testing, i set up 16 distinct presets with Subcycle =
values of 1,2,3,4,5 etc... and sending Pgm Changes 0-15 via direct MIDI =
was in fact correctly updating params as stored in the presets for the =
VST.

So - halle-freaking-lujah, there is a way. What I *wanted* was a =
discrete control for each param I want to change or hit, but upon =
inventory it's clear the net of all those is under a dozen basic states =
for the VST. So, the preset change works and accomplishes that - and I =
get what I need.

Thanks Andy, Per, Matthias, and everyone else who has suffered through =
this thread with me :)

Phil=20




On Jul 28, 2012, at 7:48 AM, andy butler wrote:

>=20
>=20
> Phil Clevenger wrote:
>>> The *only* feature that's  required is "just route my midi
>>> controller to the audio plugin".
>>>=20
>> Andy, if only this were true !
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> It *does* change vst preset when it gets ProgCh.
> I have the Subcycle numbers flipping about as I type.
>=20
> and Yes, it does that in Ableton, the only strangeness being that
> Ableton insists on changing the Midi Channel to 1 when
> it forwards to the plugin.
>=20
> Apart from this glitch with the note-On, I get the behaviour I always =
had:-
> Link up my usual EDP midi controller to computer.
> Follow my Ableton Howto.
> Echoloop responds just like an EDP.
>=20
> Currently I'm having a problem with the windows version which needs =
fixing though ;-(
> Anyone who got the latest win version may find it not responding to =
Note-On at all.
> (trying to be too quick editing out mac specific code)
>=20
> andy
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Mark -=20

We have an answer :)

Saving settings presets for the VST (as opposed to saving preset =
instances of teh VST) is super easy: just set up each preset bank as you =
want it to be. You can switch between them via the Presets menu to =
confirm that all changes are persisting as you configured them.

If you want you can rename each preset by clicking  the VST title bar =
and pressing Cmd-R (Rename).

(Be sure and save your Live Set, and once the VST has all the presets =
configured as you like, probably it would be best to save an instance of =
the VST in case you lose the Set file.)

Now, to recall via MIDI controller, you have to make sure you are =
controlling the VST via direct MIDI, using standard EDP commands. See =
Andy's "Using Echoloop In Ableton" doc for details about MIDI routing. =
This way all MIDI commands, even unsupported-by-Ableton Program Changes =
go straight to Echoloop, bypassing any need for Midi Learn.

Set up your controller to send Pgm Changes 0 thru 15; now test the =
mechanism: watch the Echoloop params for confirmation that the right =
stuff is happening, because the VST Presets menu will not respond as =
would be expected (this is a bug).

Working like a charm here.

Phil :)


On Jul 27, 2012, at 2:45 PM, mark francombe wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 9:04 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> =
wrote:
> it's just like any other VST plugin, using standard VST presets.
>=20
> (just with the addition of recall via ProgCh).
>=20
>=20
> Whaddyamean the addition of recall via ProgCh?
>=20
> As for using VST presets .. you mean that to select "Presets" within =
Echoloop I should save them as VST presets (think I know how to do that =
in Mulch) and then recall THEM.. Damn... Im not using my foot controller =
to do ANY things to Mulch... I guess I could... Id rather skip that and =
ProgCh the plugin... is that what you mean???
> So how?=20
>=20
> (sitting in new house with no foot pedal or guitar handy... so... this =
is a theoretical issue right now... )
>=20
>=20
> --=20
> Mark Francombe
> www.markfrancombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao.com
> http://vimeo.com/user825094
> http://www.looop.no
> twitter @markfrancombe
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Mark =
-&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>We have an answer =
:)</div><div><br></div><div>Saving settings presets for the VST (as =
opposed to saving preset instances of teh VST) is super easy: just set =
up each preset bank as you want it to be. You can switch between them =
via the Presets menu to confirm that all changes are persisting as you =
configured them.</div><div><br></div><div>If you want you can rename =
each preset by clicking &nbsp;the VST title bar and pressing Cmd-R =
(Rename).</div><div><br></div><div>(Be sure and save your Live Set, and =
once the VST has all the presets configured as you like, probably it =
would be best to save an instance of the VST in case you lose the Set =
file.)</div><div><br></div><div>Now, to recall via MIDI controller, you =
have to make sure you are controlling the VST via direct MIDI, using =
standard EDP commands. See Andy's "Using Echoloop In Ableton" doc for =
details about MIDI routing. This way all MIDI commands, even =
unsupported-by-Ableton Program Changes go straight to Echoloop, =
bypassing any need for Midi Learn.</div><div><br></div><div>Set up your =
controller to send Pgm Changes 0 thru 15; now test the mechanism: watch =
the Echoloop params for confirmation that the right stuff is happening, =
because the VST Presets menu will not respond as would be expected (this =
is a bug).</div><div><br></div><div>Working like a charm =
here.</div><div><br></div><div>Phil =
:)</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jul 27, 2012, at 2:45 PM, =
mark francombe wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Fri, =
Jul 27, 2012 at 9:04 PM, andy butler <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk" =
target=3D"_blank">akbutler@tiscali.co.uk</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>it's =
just like any other VST plugin, using standard VST presets.<br>


<br>
(just with the addition of recall via ProgCh).<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font=
 color=3D"#888888"><br></font></span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc =
solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font =
color=3D"#888888"><br>


</font></span></blockquote><br>Whaddyamean the addition of recall via =
ProgCh?<br><br>As for using VST presets .. you mean that to select =
"Presets" within Echoloop I should save them as VST presets (think I =
know how to do that in Mulch) and then recall THEM.. Damn... Im not =
using my foot controller to do ANY things to Mulch... I guess I could... =
Id rather skip that and ProgCh the plugin... is that what you =
mean???<br>

So how? <br><br>(sitting in new house with no foot pedal or guitar =
handy... so... this is a theoretical issue right now... )<br><br =
clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><i =
style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(255,255,255);background-=
color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font style=3D"font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif" =
size=3D"4"><u>Mark Francombe</u></font></i><br>

<font size=3D"1"><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)" =
href=3D"http://www.markfrancombe.com/" =
target=3D"_blank">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br =
style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)"><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)" =
href=3D"http://www.ordoabkhao.com/" =
target=3D"_blank">www.ordoabkhao.com</a><br style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)">

<a style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)" href=3D"http://vimeo.com/user825094" =
target=3D"_blank">http://vimeo.com/user825094</a><br =
style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)"><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)" =
href=3D"http://www.looop.no/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.looop.no</a><br>

twitter @markfrancombe<br><a =
href=3D"http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/</a><br></font=
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I spend at least as much time listening as I do playing. Same with =
visual design: I spend as much time, or more, looking, as I do =
designing. Crucial, for me. YMMV :)


On Jul 28, 2012, at 1:38 PM, Paul Richards wrote:

> I listen to my own music as I would listen to an artist I like AND for =
improvement. I like the stuff I've been doing lately (as well as a lot =
of my old stuff) but my newer stuff has really improved. After decades =
of experimenting with amps, effects, loopers, guitars, drum machines, =
percussion instruments, microphone placement, et al, I've come to a =
place where I like what I'm doing.
>=20
> From: kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com>
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 3:16 PM
> Subject: How often do you listen to your own music?
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> I guess this is a rather odd question but I'm curious. Do you only =
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as you would listen to an artist you like?
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> --=20
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238
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> http://www.youtube.com/user/gumdrops27
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> https://twitter.com/K3Z_Art
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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I =
spend at least as much time listening as I do playing. Same with visual =
design: I spend as much time, or more, looking, as I do designing. =
Crucial, for me. YMMV :)<div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jul 28, =
2012, at 1:38 PM, Paul Richards wrote:</div><br =
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style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, =
new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>I listen to my own =
music as I would listen to an artist I like AND for improvement. I like =
the stuff I've been doing lately (as well as a lot of my old stuff) but =
my newer stuff has really improved. After decades of experimenting with =
amps, effects, loopers, guitars, drum machines, percussion instruments, =
microphone placement, et al, I've come to a place where I like what I'm =
doing. </span></div><div><br></div>  <div style=3D"font-family: times =
new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div =
style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; =
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204, 204); height: 0px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;" class=3D"hr" =
contenteditable=3D"false" readonly=3D"true"></div>  <b><span =
style=3D"font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> kay'lon rushing &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:k3zz21@gmail.com">k3zz21@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br> <b><span =
style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@looper=
s-delight.com</a> <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: =
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to your own music?<br> </font> </div> <br>
<div id=3D"yiv1816995144">I guess this is a rather odd question but I'm =
curious. Do you only listen to it for improvement? Or do you enjoy =
listening to yourself just as you would listen to an artist you like?<br =
clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><a =
href=3D"http://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238">http://www.face=
book.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238</a><br>
<br>http://www.youtube.com/user/gumdrops27<br><br><a =
href=3D"https://twitter.com/K3Z_Art" rel=3D"nofollow" =
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href=3D"http://www.soundcloud.com/k3z" rel=3D"nofollow" =
target=3D"_blank">www.soundcloud.com/k3z</a><br>
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I had tested Echoloop with Audiomulch on OSX
and just did again, and it did not crash
can you give us your situation, Gareth?

On 26 Jul 2012, at 6:41 AM, Gareth Whittock wrote:

> I managed to track a copy of this down this morning but it crashes =
Audiomulch - anyone?
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> Peace,
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 any body play with cycler looper
http://www.cycler-looper.com/ in beta. free for now
My first post. hope this is going to the right place.
Ive been playing with this for the last month.
I was using ableton looper before but this has taken its space

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for the last month. <br>
I was using ableton looper before but this has taken its space<br><br><br><=
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I never listen to my own recorded music. But when producing a
recording, where I am participating as a musician, I can't avoid
listening to it a lot.

I prefer silence or recorded music that I have not heard before. On my
computers and iPhone live a big number of podcast subscriptions to all
kind of music programs. I also use the Soma.fm iPhone app and the
SoundCloud iPhone app. Typical such listing occasions are right after
getting out of bed while I shave, take a shower and make breakfast.
When the breakfast is ready for eating I normally turn off the music
because I start working during the eating phase (modern time
optimization). I can plug the iPhone into the practice Roland Street
Cube if in need for more juice. I do have top class studio monitors
plus a PA handy I also do enjoy listening on crap fidelity like the
iPhone or Street Cube.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Matthias Grob <matilists@gmail.com> wrote:
> or the feedback could happen with little electro magnets around the pedal that hit the feet or so?

He, he.... that's is pretty funny. I've been around playing out with
many bands and I can assure you that sooner or later some humorous
band mate will manipulate those magnets to temporarily tenfold the
electric shock. ;-)

Greetings from Sweden

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I like the varied views on this. I've been listening to myself a lot
lately, i always have enjoyed listening to my owm stuff. However it seems
like im too easy on myself when I listen alone. If I let others listen to
my music while I am present, its like i automatically become them as if im
listening from their perspective or the perspective of fresh ears. That us
when I learn the most about myself and I tend to be much more aware and I
pick apart all the things I feel I should to change or improve. Its
somewhat of a self-concious thing but its helpful at times.
On Jul 28, 2012 2:33 PM, "Per Boysen" <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> I never listen to my own recorded music. But when producing a
> recording, where I am participating as a musician, I can't avoid
> listening to it a lot.
>
> I prefer silence or recorded music that I have not heard before. On my
> computers and iPhone live a big number of podcast subscriptions to all
> kind of music programs. I also use the Soma.fm iPhone app and the
> SoundCloud iPhone app. Typical such listing occasions are right after
> getting out of bed while I shave, take a shower and make breakfast.
> When the breakfast is ready for eating I normally turn off the music
> because I start working during the eating phase (modern time
> optimization). I can plug the iPhone into the practice Roland Street
> Cube if in need for more juice. I do have top class studio monitors
> plus a PA handy I also do enjoy listening on crap fidelity like the
> iPhone or Street Cube.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.com
> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>
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<p>I like the varied views on this. I&#39;ve been listening to myself a lot=
 lately, i always have enjoyed listening to my owm stuff. However it seems =
like im too easy on myself when I listen alone. If I let others listen to m=
y music while I am present, its like i automatically become them as if im l=
istening from their perspective or the perspective of fresh ears. That us w=
hen I learn the most about myself and I tend to be much more aware and I pi=
ck apart all the things I feel I should to change or improve. Its somewhat =
of a self-concious thing but its helpful at times.</p>

<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jul 28, 2012 2:33 PM, &quot;Per Boysen&quot; =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com">perboysen@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrot=
e:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I never listen to my own recorded music. But when producing a<br>
recording, where I am participating as a musician, I can&#39;t avoid<br>
listening to it a lot.<br>
<br>
I prefer silence or recorded music that I have not heard before. On my<br>
computers and iPhone live a big number of podcast subscriptions to all<br>
kind of music programs. I also use the Soma.fm iPhone app and the<br>
SoundCloud iPhone app. Typical such listing occasions are right after<br>
getting out of bed while I shave, take a shower and make breakfast.<br>
When the breakfast is ready for eating I normally turn off the music<br>
because I start working during the eating phase (modern time<br>
optimization). I can plug the iPhone into the practice Roland Street<br>
Cube if in need for more juice. I do have top class studio monitors<br>
plus a PA handy I also do enjoy listening on crap fidelity like the<br>
iPhone or Street Cube.<br>
<br>
Greetings from Sweden<br>
<br>
Per Boysen<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com" target=3D"_blank">www.perboysen.com</a=
><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/perboysen" target=3D"_blank">http://www.y=
outube.com/perboysen</a><br>
<br>
</blockquote></div>

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Can it work as a vst?
On Jul 28, 2012 2:18 PM, "r williford" <robinkicksass@gmail.com> wrote:

>  any body play with cycler looper
> http://www.cycler-looper.com/ in beta. free for now
> My first post. hope this is going to the right place.
> Ive been playing with this for the last month.
> I was using ableton looper before but this has taken its space
>
>
>
>
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<p>Can it work as a vst?</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jul 28, 2012 2:18 PM, &quot;r williford&quot;=
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&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
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=A0any body play with cycler looper<br><a href=3D"http://www.cycler-looper.=
com/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.cycler-looper.com/</a> in beta. free for=
 now<br>My first post. hope this is going to the right place. <br>Ive been =
playing with this for the last month. <br>

I was using ableton looper before but this has taken its space<br><br><br><=
br><br>
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On 28 Jul 2012, at 4:16 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote:

> I guess this is a rather odd question but I'm curious. Do you only =
listen to it for improvement? Or do you enjoy listening to yourself just =
as you would listen to an artist you like?

I listen to my music often and usually like it better than anything else
in some circumstances like the presence of special people, I hear more =
inperfection in it

when I started looping in 1986, I EXCLUSIVELY listened to my own music =
for nearly a year!
that was an intense trip
even when I visited someone I brought my latest tapes and had everybody =
listen. hahaha

http://matthiasgrob.bandcamp.com
(the lower row are duos, maybe Flechas de Fogo is the most interesting =
for you)

I am not sure whether it improved, depends on criteria. when I started, =
I was very enthusiastic and found more surprising stuff, later it became =
cleaner and smarter, but more routine=85
(the oldes on bandcamp is Cristais)=

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you got me wrong, Per, its not eletric shocks
its like a relay: the magnet activates a lever that hits the foot =
mechanically
but electroshock is also a good idea!
 hahaha

On 28 Jul 2012, at 6:41 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

> On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Matthias Grob <matilists@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>> or the feedback could happen with little electro magnets around the =
pedal that hit the feet or so?
>=20
> He, he.... that's is pretty funny. I've been around playing out with
> many bands and I can assure you that sooner or later some humorous
> band mate will manipulate those magnets to temporarily tenfold the
> electric shock. ;-)
>=20
> Greetings from Sweden
>=20
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.com
> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>=20

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It depends.

I have a lot of other peoples' music on my computer in iTunes - 43.9 =
straight days worth, if you must know.

About 10 hours of that is my own music - which on random play is bound =
to come up every now and again.

So, listening to it is not a completely deliberate choice most of the =
time.

And...most of that is very old stuff, recorded 10 or even 20 years ago =
or more...and is stuff I decided to keep (for one reason or another).

Listening to it just happens on it's own every now and again.

It's also sort of a "reality check" to have something I've done segued =
between a couple of real "masterpieces" by real musicians in random play =
(LOL).

It can be a real slap in the face...but in a totally good way.

I have a different M.O. though when I've actually, been currently =
working on a particular piece (or pieces) of music.

Immediately after having recorded something new, I listen back to it =
quite a lot...so much so that I do so until I get sick of it (which =
usually doesn't take long).

After that I have to take a break of about a month, or two, or maybe =
three before I even stand to hear it again.

It usually takes about that long (for me) to gain some sort of realistic =
perspective and good judgement on my own work.

Immediately after recording I may either love or hate a piece (usually =
the latter), and I listen to it a lot to figure out what I did either =
wrong or right when creating it.

But I almost always find that with time, my perspective changes, and =
(after a significant break of several weeks) I can get a more balanced =
view of whatever it is...and make my peace with it (one way or the =
other, to keep or discard).

Only at that point do I allow myself to form a permanent opinion about =
whatever it is.

Prior to that, it's all just transient emotions, neurotically obsessive =
insecurities, and thwarted expectations.

It takes time to let go of all those.

After that it either goes in the iTunes list or the trashcan.

That's what has worked for me...mostly.

Cheers!

On Jul 28, 2012, at 12:16 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote:

> I guess this is a rather odd question but I'm curious. Do you only =
listen to it for improvement? Or do you enjoy listening to yourself just =
as you would listen to an artist you like?
>=20
> --=20
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238
>=20
> http://www.youtube.com/user/gumdrops27
>=20
> https://twitter.com/K3Z_Art
>=20
> www.soundcloud.com/k3z

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On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Matthias Grob <matilists@gmail.com> wrote:
> when I started looping in 1986, I EXCLUSIVELY listened to my own music for nearly a year!
> that was an intense trip
> even when I visited someone I brought my latest tapes and had everybody listen. hahaha


Ha, ha.... I did that too! In -84 I bought an eight track tape
recorder and typically recorded ambitious pieces named like "Ants
Building Houses" containing eight multi tracked myself scratching
super tiny object in an extremely busy manner. I mixed down to
cassette tapes an brought everywhere to make everyone listen. Some
found it interesting, others pretended to while some felt personally
offended and demanded I should stop the tape playback immediately.
Learned a lot from that, not just concerning music.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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I occasionally listen, even now years after I've stopped playing  
regularly, and still find some of it very satisfying, even  
incomparable. My explanation here goes to the implied "why do you  
listen" part of the question:

Back when I was doing music with all my available time and energy, I  
listened regularly and in preference to "artists I liked", because my  
approach was to simply play as often as possible and to hit record  
whenever the constant stream of pure improv seemed to have taken off  
to somewhere interesting or surprising.

So I listened later (usually when commuting) as a natural part of the  
editing/evaluating process, and then listened to the edited bits quite  
a lot depending on just how much I'd actually surprised or pleased  
myself, always with an ear to whether I could somehow improve it, and  
as a presumed check on how I was developing. This whole play/grab/ 
listen/edit cycle was far more interesting and engaging than listening  
to even the most wonderful "real" recorded music; my hands were all  
over it, and much more could be done with any of it. So even though my  
stuff was typically quite obviously not as accomplished or even as  
objectively moving or delightful as other people's music, the whole  
thing was a richer experience. Plain old "grooving" couldn't compete  
with critical "creating".

But then I had an experience which changed my relationship with my  
playing and process, and still defines how I relate to it now when I  
sometimes drag out old tracks for a listen.

This was at least 15 years ago. I'd been to a reunion weekend with  
childhood friends as we gathered to memorialize the mother of one of  
our gang. It had not gone well; I'd hoped it would be the occasion for  
some healing of old wounds, but instead it seemed to aggravate them.  
On the long drive home I took out the disk I'd brought along to show  
my old buds what I was up to, but had not had an opportunity to play,  
and found myself playing it over and over as I recognized just how  
perfectly it was acting to cauterize the painful recent encounters I  
was obsessively picking over.

I could suddenly get what my music-making had been driven by and what  
it was for: my own emotional health. My development as a musician  
wasn't at all the real motivation, nor was my output really intended  
for anybody else. The whole craft/skill issue that I'd imagined was  
behind my obsessive and extensive home-studio time was nothing  
compared to the raw "self-expression" that I was engaged in. I saw and  
heard how other people's music could never be quite as precisely  
designed for my personal emotional universe as my own creations, no  
matter how exquisite.

Also I could see that playing my tracks for others was the musical  
equivalent of discribing my dreams; in other words, they were almost  
always going to be really interesting only to me. Simply being  
perfectly expressive of myself was no ticket to universal interest,  
nor was this the royal road to "Art". THAT was bracing--good to know!  
The dimly recalled quote, from Freud I think, to the effect that if  
someone could truly succeed in bringing his dreams to life, he would  
be the perfect artist, seemed to be thoroughly disproved. Or maybe it  
was simply that journalling isn't art-making; hadn't realized that was  
all I was really doing. Still sorting that one out, all these years  
later. And mostly listening to other folks' "real" if necessarily  
"generalized" or "approximate" music; it bears much more repetition:)  
Still, there's still no real equivalent to the custom-made audible  
"medicine" I used to make.

I wonder if anybody reading here can relate...?

dpc



On 28 Jul 2012, at 4:16 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote:
>
>> I guess this is a rather odd question but I'm curious. Do you only  
>> listen to it for improvement? Or do you enjoy listening to yourself  
>> just as you would listen to an artist you like?
>

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On 28 Jul 2012, at 5:44 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote:
>=20
> You are of course correct that the Echoloop is responding to Pgm =
Changes, but I could not see that - because the Preset Banks popup menu =
does not update to show the current preset when it's being switched =
remotely !  (prolly worth a bugfix?)

I wonder what menu you talk about=85 the one in the Live Echoloop GUI =
works here!
in Bidule, the one in the VSTGUI window works too.
could it be that you looked at Echoloops Setup menu? that serves for =
MIDI and such settings and is not related to Presets
>=20
> Digging deeper for testing, i set up 16 distinct presets with Subcycle =
values of 1,2,3,4,5 etc... and sending Pgm Changes 0-15 via direct MIDI =
was in fact correctly updating params as stored in the presets for the =
VST.
>=20
> So - halle-freaking-lujah, there is a way. What I *wanted* was a =
discrete control for each param I want to change or hit, but upon =
inventory it's clear the net of all those is under a dozen basic states =
for the VST. So, the preset change works and accomplishes that - and I =
get what I need.
>=20
> Thanks Andy, Per, Matthias, and everyone else who has suffered through =
this thread with me :)

great that you are happy with your solution Phil!
but let me show the method I suggested and just tested:
- in Live's Echoloop thing (their, not our GUI) activate Configure
- in our Echoloop GUI, go to MIDI (on the left) and there to Learn =
(almost on the right) and select the parameter you want (Quantize, for =
example). this makes the parameter Quantize appear in the Live Echoloop =
thing
- top right you go to MIDI (which is like MIDI learn)
- select the Quantize or whatever parameter in Lives Echoloop thing
- send the MIDI command to Live
- switch off Live's top right MIDI and go to Local in the Echoloop GUI =
and verify that it works!=20


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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; =
"><br><div><div>On 28 Jul 2012, at 5:44 PM, Phil Clevenger =
wrote:</div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><font =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#000000"><br></font>You are of =
course correct that the Echoloop is responding to Pgm Changes, but I =
could not see that - because the Preset Banks popup menu does not update =
to show the current preset when it's being switched remotely ! =
&nbsp;(prolly worth a bugfix?)<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>I =
wonder what menu you talk about=85 the one in the Live Echoloop GUI =
works here!</div><div>in Bidule, the one in the VSTGUI window works =
too.</div><div>could it be that you looked at Echoloops Setup menu? that =
serves for MIDI and such settings and is not related to =
Presets<br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><br>Digging deeper for =
testing, i set up 16 distinct presets with Subcycle values of 1,2,3,4,5 =
etc... and sending Pgm Changes 0-15 via direct MIDI was in fact =
correctly updating params as stored in the presets for the =
VST.<br><br>So - halle-freaking-lujah, there is a way. What I *wanted* =
was a discrete control for each param I want to change or hit, but upon =
inventory it's clear the net of all those is under a dozen basic states =
for the VST. So, the preset change works and accomplishes that - and I =
get what I need.<br><br>Thanks Andy, Per, Matthias, and everyone else =
who has suffered through this thread with me =
:)<br></div></blockquote></div><br><div>great that you are happy with =
your solution Phil!</div><div>but let me show the method&nbsp;I =
suggested&nbsp;and just tested:</div><div>- in Live's Echoloop thing =
(their, not our GUI) activate Configure</div><div>- in our Echoloop GUI, =
go to MIDI (on the left) and there to Learn (almost on the right) and =
select the parameter you want (Quantize, for example). this makes the =
parameter Quantize appear in the Live Echoloop thing</div><div>- top =
right you go to MIDI (which is like MIDI learn)</div><div>- select the =
Quantize or whatever parameter in Lives Echoloop thing</div><div>- send =
the MIDI command to Live</div><div>- switch off Live's top right MIDI =
and go to Local in the Echoloop GUI and verify that it =
works!&nbsp;</div><div><br></div></body></html>=

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David if I understand you correctly I think I know what you feel. For me
sometimes I feel like my music is a timeline of my life that only I
understand. I look read the titles of songs I created sometimes and think
to myself (Wow thats a really cheesy, childish title). Then I realize I was
in the very beginning stages if creating my own stuff and at the time those
titles are what my naiive undeveloped mind found appropriate. I still
consider myself sort of a beginner since Im only 17 but its interesting to
listen to your old music and suddenly bring back the emotional memory that
you stored in that piece.
On Jul 28, 2012 5:39 PM, "David Coffin" <dpcoffin@earthlink.net> wrote:

> I occasionally listen, even now years after I've stopped playing
> regularly, and still find some of it very satisfying, even incomparable. My
> explanation here goes to the implied "why do you listen" part of the
> question:
>
> Back when I was doing music with all my available time and energy, I
> listened regularly and in preference to "artists I liked", because my
> approach was to simply play as often as possible and to hit record whenever
> the constant stream of pure improv seemed to have taken off to somewhere
> interesting or surprising.
>
> So I listened later (usually when commuting) as a natural part of the
> editing/evaluating process, and then listened to the edited bits quite a
> lot depending on just how much I'd actually surprised or pleased myself,
> always with an ear to whether I could somehow improve it, and as a presumed
> check on how I was developing. This whole play/grab/listen/edit cycle was
> far more interesting and engaging than listening to even the most wonderful
> "real" recorded music; my hands were all over it, and much more could be
> done with any of it. So even though my stuff was typically quite obviously
> not as accomplished or even as objectively moving or delightful as other
> people's music, the whole thing was a richer experience. Plain old
> "grooving" couldn't compete with critical "creating".
>
> But then I had an experience which changed my relationship with my playing
> and process, and still defines how I relate to it now when I sometimes drag
> out old tracks for a listen.
>
> This was at least 15 years ago. I'd been to a reunion weekend with
> childhood friends as we gathered to memorialize the mother of one of our
> gang. It had not gone well; I'd hoped it would be the occasion for some
> healing of old wounds, but instead it seemed to aggravate them. On the long
> drive home I took out the disk I'd brought along to show my old buds what I
> was up to, but had not had an opportunity to play, and found myself playing
> it over and over as I recognized just how perfectly it was acting to
> cauterize the painful recent encounters I was obsessively picking over.
>
> I could suddenly get what my music-making had been driven by and what it
> was for: my own emotional health. My development as a musician wasn't at
> all the real motivation, nor was my output really intended for anybody
> else. The whole craft/skill issue that I'd imagined was behind my obsessive
> and extensive home-studio time was nothing compared to the raw
> "self-expression" that I was engaged in. I saw and heard how other people's
> music could never be quite as precisely designed for my personal emotional
> universe as my own creations, no matter how exquisite.
>
> Also I could see that playing my tracks for others was the musical
> equivalent of discribing my dreams; in other words, they were almost always
> going to be really interesting only to me. Simply being perfectly
> expressive of myself was no ticket to universal interest, nor was this the
> royal road to "Art". THAT was bracing--good to know! The dimly recalled
> quote, from Freud I think, to the effect that if someone could truly
> succeed in bringing his dreams to life, he would be the perfect artist,
> seemed to be thoroughly disproved. Or maybe it was simply that journalling
> isn't art-making; hadn't realized that was all I was really doing. Still
> sorting that one out, all these years later. And mostly listening to other
> folks' "real" if necessarily "generalized" or "approximate" music; it bears
> much more repetition:) Still, there's still no real equivalent to the
> custom-made audible "medicine" I used to make.
>
> I wonder if anybody reading here can relate...?
>
> dpc
>
>
>
> On 28 Jul 2012, at 4:16 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote:
>
>>
>>  I guess this is a rather odd question but I'm curious. Do you only
>>> listen to it for improvement? Or do you enjoy listening to yourself just as
>>> you would listen to an artist you like?
>>>
>>
>>
>

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<p>David if I understand you correctly I think I know what you feel. For me=
 sometimes I feel like my music is a timeline of my life that only I unders=
tand. I look read the titles of songs I created sometimes and think to myse=
lf (Wow thats a really cheesy, childish title). Then I realize I was in the=
 very beginning stages if creating my own stuff and at the time those title=
s are what my naiive undeveloped mind found appropriate. I still consider m=
yself sort of a beginner since Im only 17 but its interesting to listen to =
your old music and suddenly bring back the emotional memory that you stored=
 in that piece.</p>

<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jul 28, 2012 5:39 PM, &quot;David Coffin&quot=
; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dpcoffin@earthlink.net">dpcoffin@earthlink.net</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I occasionally listen, even now years after I&#39;ve stopped playing regula=
rly, and still find some of it very satisfying, even incomparable. My expla=
nation here goes to the implied &quot;why do you listen&quot; part of the q=
uestion:<br>

<br>
Back when I was doing music with all my available time and energy, I listen=
ed regularly and in preference to &quot;artists I liked&quot;, because my a=
pproach was to simply play as often as possible and to hit record whenever =
the constant stream of pure improv seemed to have taken off to somewhere in=
teresting or surprising.<br>

<br>
So I listened later (usually when commuting) as a natural part of the editi=
ng/evaluating process, and then listened to the edited bits quite a lot dep=
ending on just how much I&#39;d actually surprised or pleased myself, alway=
s with an ear to whether I could somehow improve it, and as a presumed chec=
k on how I was developing. This whole play/grab/listen/edit cycle was far m=
ore interesting and engaging than listening to even the most wonderful &quo=
t;real&quot; recorded music; my hands were all over it, and much more could=
 be done with any of it. So even though my stuff was typically quite obviou=
sly not as accomplished or even as objectively moving or delightful as othe=
r people&#39;s music, the whole thing was a richer experience. Plain old &q=
uot;grooving&quot; couldn&#39;t compete with critical &quot;creating&quot;.=
<br>

<br>
But then I had an experience which changed my relationship with my playing =
and process, and still defines how I relate to it now when I sometimes drag=
 out old tracks for a listen.<br>
<br>
This was at least 15 years ago. I&#39;d been to a reunion weekend with chil=
dhood friends as we gathered to memorialize the mother of one of our gang. =
It had not gone well; I&#39;d hoped it would be the occasion for some heali=
ng of old wounds, but instead it seemed to aggravate them. On the long driv=
e home I took out the disk I&#39;d brought along to show my old buds what I=
 was up to, but had not had an opportunity to play, and found myself playin=
g it over and over as I recognized just how perfectly it was acting to caut=
erize the painful recent encounters I was obsessively picking over.<br>

<br>
I could suddenly get what my music-making had been driven by and what it wa=
s for: my own emotional health. My development as a musician wasn&#39;t at =
all the real motivation, nor was my output really intended for anybody else=
. The whole craft/skill issue that I&#39;d imagined was behind my obsessive=
 and extensive home-studio time was nothing compared to the raw &quot;self-=
expression&quot; that I was engaged in. I saw and heard how other people&#3=
9;s music could never be quite as precisely designed for my personal emotio=
nal universe as my own creations, no matter how exquisite.<br>

<br>
Also I could see that playing my tracks for others was the musical equivale=
nt of discribing my dreams; in other words, they were almost always going t=
o be really interesting only to me. Simply being perfectly expressive of my=
self was no ticket to universal interest, nor was this the royal road to &q=
uot;Art&quot;. THAT was bracing--good to know! The dimly recalled quote, fr=
om Freud I think, to the effect that if someone could truly succeed in brin=
ging his dreams to life, he would be the perfect artist, seemed to be thoro=
ughly disproved. Or maybe it was simply that journalling isn&#39;t art-maki=
ng; hadn&#39;t realized that was all I was really doing. Still sorting that=
 one out, all these years later. And mostly listening to other folks&#39; &=
quot;real&quot; if necessarily &quot;generalized&quot; or &quot;approximate=
&quot; music; it bears much more repetition:) Still, there&#39;s still no r=
eal equivalent to the custom-made audible &quot;medicine&quot; I used to ma=
ke.<br>

<br>
I wonder if anybody reading here can relate...?<br>
<br>
dpc<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 28 Jul 2012, at 4:16 PM, kay&#39;lon rushing wrote:<br>
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<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
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I guess this is a rather odd question but I&#39;m curious. Do you only list=
en to it for improvement? Or do you enjoy listening to yourself just as you=
 would listen to an artist you like?<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
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I listen to my own performances to glean useful ideas from the =
improvisations and to hear where I can improve.


On Jul 28, 2012, at 12:16 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote:

> I guess this is a rather odd question but I'm curious. Do you only =
listen to it for improvement? Or do you enjoy listening to yourself just =
as you would listen to an artist you like?

David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730
Blog:  http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com
Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans






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"...its interesting to listen to your old music and suddenly bring  
back the emotional memory that you stored in that piece."

Well put! Of course, we all presumably store memories in other folk's  
well-absorbed music as well; maybe when it's our own music doing the  
storage, the connection's automatically more complex.

dpc


On Jul 28, 2012, at 6:32 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote:

> David if I understand you correctly I think I know what you feel.  
> For me sometimes I feel like my music is a timeline of my life that  
> only I understand. I look read the titles of songs I created  
> sometimes and think to myself (Wow thats a really cheesy, childish  
> title). Then I realize I was in the very beginning stages if  
> creating my own stuff and at the time those titles are what my  
> naiive undeveloped mind found appropriate. I still consider myself  
> sort of a beginner since Im only 17 but its interesting to listen to  
> your old music and suddenly bring back the emotional memory that you  
> stored in that piece.
>

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great David!

I started looping to create a background for my exercises to cure my =
back pain
and even a year later I kept saying that it was not music, just a sound =
carpet
but when I came to Rio and played with Marcio Miranda, I felt it turned =
into music
and I started feeling the mission to cure people with it.=20
I played for therapy and even in hospital (which did not work out =
because too many different people needed too different music) and =
claimed that I was able to channel music for listeners
but when my wife did not want me any more, I stayed for 3 days in my =
room looping and came out ready for new life. =20
and when I wrote the manual for the LOOP delay, I added a chapter "self =
therapy"
http://www.livelooping.org/methods/playing-hints/#hint16
(which Gibson then did not adopt for the Echoplex, calling it "loop =
religion")

later when the fanatism passed, I had big doubts again whether I really =
felt the public or simply had an impression about them...

but certainly, its a big difference to play alone and to play for =
listeners!

and I suspect that many artists that entered history had the impression =
they were doing "journaling" as you call it! a very personal story can =
become relevant for humanity, independent of the intention=85


On 28 Jul 2012, at 9:22 PM, David Coffin wrote:
>=20
> I could suddenly get what my music-making had been driven by and what =
it was for: my own emotional health. My development as a musician wasn't =
at all the real motivation, nor was my output really intended for =
anybody else. The whole craft/skill issue that I'd imagined was behind =
my obsessive and extensive home-studio time was nothing compared to the =
raw "self-expression" that I was engaged in. I saw and heard how other =
people's music could never be quite as precisely designed for my =
personal emotional universe as my own creations, no matter how =
exquisite.
>=20
> Also I could see that playing my tracks for others was the musical =
equivalent of discribing my dreams; in other words, they were almost =
always going to be really interesting only to me. Simply being perfectly =
expressive of myself was no ticket to universal interest, nor was this =
the royal road to "Art". THAT was bracing--good to know! The dimly =
recalled quote, from Freud I think, to the effect that if someone could =
truly succeed in bringing his dreams to life, he would be the perfect =
artist, seemed to be thoroughly disproved. Or maybe it was simply that =
journalling isn't art-making; hadn't realized that was all I was really =
doing. Still sorting that one out, all these years later. And mostly =
listening to other folks' "real" if necessarily "generalized" or =
"approximate" music; it bears much more repetition:) Still, there's =
still no real equivalent to the custom-made audible "medicine" I used to =
make.
>=20
> I wonder if anybody reading here can relate...?
>=20
> dpc
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On 28 Jul 2012, at 4:16 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote:
>>=20
>>> I guess this is a rather odd question but I'm curious. Do you only =
listen to it for improvement? Or do you enjoy listening to yourself just =
as you would listen to an artist you like?
>>=20
>=20


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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">great =
David!<div><br></div><div>I started looping to create a background for =
my exercises to cure my back pain</div><div>and even a year later I kept =
saying that it was not music, just a sound carpet</div><div>but when I =
came to Rio and played with Marcio Miranda, I felt it turned into =
music</div><div>and I started feeling the mission to cure people with =
it.&nbsp;</div><div>I played for therapy and even in hospital (which did =
not work out because too many different people needed too different =
music) and claimed that I was able to channel music for =
listeners</div><div>but when my wife did not want me any more, I stayed =
for 3 days in my room looping and came out ready for new life. =
&nbsp;</div><div>and when I wrote the manual for the LOOP delay, I added =
a chapter "self therapy"</div><div><a =
href=3D"http://www.livelooping.org/methods/playing-hints/#hint16">http://w=
ww.livelooping.org/methods/playing-hints/#hint16</a></div><div>(which =
Gibson then did not adopt for the Echoplex, calling it "loop =
religion")</div><div><br></div><div>later when the fanatism passed, I =
had big doubts again whether I really felt the public or simply had an =
impression about them...</div><div><br></div><div>but certainly, its a =
big difference to play alone and to play for =
listeners!</div><div><br></div><div>and I suspect that many artists that =
entered history had the impression they were doing "journaling" as you =
call it! a very personal story can become relevant for humanity, =
independent of the intention=85</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On =
28 Jul 2012, at 9:22 PM, David Coffin wrote:</div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
color=3D"#000000"><br></font>I could suddenly get what my music-making =
had been driven by and what it was for: my own emotional health. My =
development as a musician wasn't at all the real motivation, nor was my =
output really intended for anybody else. The whole craft/skill issue =
that I'd imagined was behind my obsessive and extensive home-studio time =
was nothing compared to the raw "self-expression" that I was engaged in. =
I saw and heard how other people's music could never be quite as =
precisely designed for my personal emotional universe as my own =
creations, no matter how exquisite.<br><br>Also I could see that playing =
my tracks for others was the musical equivalent of discribing my dreams; =
in other words, they were almost always going to be really interesting =
only to me. Simply being perfectly expressive of myself was no ticket to =
universal interest, nor was this the royal road to "Art". THAT was =
bracing--good to know! The dimly recalled quote, from Freud I think, to =
the effect that if someone could truly succeed in bringing his dreams to =
life, he would be the perfect artist, seemed to be thoroughly disproved. =
Or maybe it was simply that journalling isn't art-making; hadn't =
realized that was all I was really doing. Still sorting that one out, =
all these years later. And mostly listening to other folks' "real" if =
necessarily "generalized" or "approximate" music; it bears much more =
repetition:) Still, there's still no real equivalent to the custom-made =
audible "medicine" I used to make.<br><br>I wonder if anybody reading =
here can relate...?<br><br>dpc<br><br><br><br>On 28 Jul 2012, at 4:16 =
PM, kay'lon rushing wrote:<br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">I guess this is a rather odd question but I'm curious. Do =
you only listen to it for improvement? Or do you enjoy listening to =
yourself just as you would listen to an artist you =
like?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></bo=
dy></html>=

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Once I've really finished a piece,  I tend not to listen to it at all 
for a long, long time.

This has changed in a couple of circumstances in the last few years, 
however, as I'm self consciously trying
to make a video for almost everything I compose, musically (except for 
singer/songwriter or pop material).

Also,  I'm contemplating a project called Self Plagiarism  where I'm 
going back to music I recorded a long time
ago (and before my forays into electronic music and live looping) and 
trying to find interesting loops
out of that material to compose new material.   I figure I don't have to 
worry about sample rights if I own the material.


Because of that,  I'm going back and systematically listening to tracks 
I've recorded over the last 30 years to
find things that are interesting to me, still.

Just yesterday,  I took a track that my brother Bill and I played with 
the original incarnation of Worlds Collide....
a track called Silent Spring and slowed the entire track down about 25%.

The whole track is really beautiful played like this.................a 
simple remix but a nice one.
I'll post that soon (it was co-written by Gary Regina, Kevin Moore and 
Ernie Provencher, Bill and Myself) and is
on the CD,  "Everything's Changing in the Global Village",  a 1990 
release as memory serves.

I think it is particularly efficacious to finish a mix and then come 
back a week later and listen to
it 'cold'  so that you have some objective distance from the actual 
making, mixing and mastering process
which can get quite obsessive and , consequently,  musically 'myopic'.

rick walker
> *Subject:* How often do you listen to your own music?
>
> I guess this is a rather odd question but I'm curious. Do you only 
> listen to it for improvement? Or do you enjoy listening to yourself 
> just as you would listen to an artist you like?
>

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On 7/14/12 7:27 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote:
>
> i seem to miss this every week. How can i tune into this from Calfornia?
>
I include listening information with every playlist and pre-show promo 
message.  Now that WDIY has a totally revamped website, there is a 
button on EVERY page for listening.  The button is located in the top 
left corner.

Cheers,

Bill
> On Jul 14, 2012 6:36 AM, "Bill Fox" <billyfox@soundscapes.us 
> <mailto:billyfox@soundscapes.us>> wrote:
>
>                     Show #797                July 12, 2012.
>     WDIY Playlist:
>     http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels?playlist_date=07-12-2012
>     ...
>     ========================================================================
>     Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music
>     show,
>     Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and
>     Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in
>     Trexlertown and Fogelsville.  WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio
>     on 88.1 FM.
>     Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info
>     (temporarily down)
>     Temporary Home: http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels
>     Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org on-line.
>

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I'm doing some recording and getting grief with the noise coming from the m=
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That video is idiotic. The "switches" in the DL-4  *are* silent. It's 
the metal plungers / actuators that make the noise. A small o-ring 
around each should eliminate the metal on metal "click"...

At 04:36 -0700 29/7/12, ditch wrestler wrote:
>I'm doing some recording and getting grief with the noise coming 
>from the my DL4 switches & thinking about replacing them with 
>something silent.
>
>I've found this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEDBrT63khQ
>
>For those that have replaced their switches, do this look right?
>
>
>ted h
>
>
>
>Or would you sing somethin' different. Somethin' real. Somethin' 
>*you* felt. Cause I'm telling you right now, that's the kind of song 
>people want to hear. That's the kind of song that truly saves 
>people. It ain't got nothin to do with believin' in God, Mr. Cash. 
>It has to do with believin' in yourself. Sam Phillips, "Walk the 
>Line"


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On 7/28/12 11:35 PM, Matthias Grob wrote:
> I started looping to create a background for my exercises to cure my 
> back pain
> and even a year later I kept saying that it was not music, just a 
> sound carpet
> but when I came to Rio and played with Marcio Miranda, I felt it 
> turned into music
> and I started feeling the mission to cure people with it.
> I played for therapy and even in hospital (which did not work out 
> because too many different people needed too different music) and 
> claimed that I was able to channel music for listeners
> but when my wife did not want me any more, I stayed for 3 days in my 
> room looping and came out ready for new life.
> and when I wrote the manual for the LOOP delay, I added a chapter 
> "self therapy"
> http://www.livelooping.org/methods/playing-hints/#hint16
> (which Gibson then did not adopt for the Echoplex, calling it "loop 
> religion")
*I love hearing you tell this story, Matthias.

These are the spiritual origins of live looping and I'm so thankful that 
you made that journey
(whether Gibson put that chapter in the manual or not).

So much of that journey has impacted my life and music and I know the 
lives of countless other artists
in this movement.

love, respect and deep appreciation,

Rick Walker
*

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These are the threads its worthwhile to read this list from time to 
time...;-)

Am 28.07.12 21:16, schrieb kay'lon rushing:
> I guess this is a rather odd question but I'm curious. Do you only
> listen to it for improvement? Or do you enjoy listening to yourself just
> as you would listen to an artist you like?

I often record my performances, which are always totally free improvs. 
But then I do not find the time to listen to them, though, if I do I am 
mostly surprised and like it.
Sometimes I had thrown a file into itunes, didn't listen to it, and 
later by accident, after I listened to something else, I hear music I 
really enjoy and wonder who made it... This makes me think its good what 
I do. Something, I am not always sure about while improvising in front 
of an audience. At least I am able to surprise myself...
Conclusion: I should listen more often to my own music, though it might 
be even better to just play again, instead of celebrating the past...;-)

Stefan

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> On 7/28/12 11:35 PM, Matthias Grob wrote:
>>
>> and when I wrote the manual for the LOOP delay, I added a chapter "self
>> therapy"
>> http://www.livelooping.org/methods/playing-hints/#hint16


That's an attitude any art would benefit from! Do you remember when we
toured here in Sweden in 2003 and you played a "therapy drone mantra
improvisation" at that country roadhouse and those physiotherapists
got so excited that one guy said he was now going to start looping and
maybe use it with patients as well. You were in the zone right there.

Greetings from Sweden

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On 29 Jul 2012, at 11:24 AM, Per Boysen wrote:

>> On 7/28/12 11:35 PM, Matthias Grob wrote:
>>>=20
>>> and when I wrote the manual for the LOOP delay, I added a chapter =
"self
>>> therapy"
>>> http://www.livelooping.org/methods/playing-hints/#hint16
>=20
>=20
> That's an attitude any art would benefit from! Do you remember

I do not!

> when we
> toured here in Sweden in 2003 and you played a "therapy drone mantra
> improvisation" at that country roadhouse and those physiotherapists
> got so excited that one guy said he was now going to start looping and
> maybe use it with patients as well. You were in the zone right there.

youhou, thank you for telling this story!

sad is: 10 years went by and I did not do it again (or at least, I do =
not remember hahaha)
>=20
> Greetings from Sweden
>=20
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.com
> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>=20

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Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello! Correct me if I'm wrong,
>
>I think you are wrong and will now correct you. Long ago a blind
>keyboard player came out on this list. I don't remember his name (hey
>- maybe he is reading this? Feel free to chime in if so) but he is
>French and played for a while with Jon Hassell.

Let's not forget longtime list member and looper, Cara Quinn.  She's still
here (she pops in and out, but posted several times in April and May).

Cara stands out for me not because she's visually-impaired, but because
she's one of the few chicas on the list.  Plus she actually met Kim at one
of the first looping festivals!  :)

Like a lot of looping artists, she uses a variety of equipment, but she's
mentioned that she uses the EDP more than anything else when looping with
other people.

Violet
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Getting back to=A0aspects of the original question....I usually place my=A0=
improvisations on CD as well as convert the waves to mps and place in my li=
brary. This leads to having a lot of CD's (some without proper labeling). I=
 often distribute CD's to close friends for comments. I've gotten in the ha=
bit of enabling my Zoom R24 (which is, IMHO, an amazingly powerful device) =
and/or a portable digital recorder for posterity's sake prior to looping/pe=
rforming. =0A=A0=0AI know the artists whose music I admire the most and, wh=
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band than having a bassist, drummer, percussionist, etc. and I don't have t=
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to my day job). =0A=A0=0AI've=A0recently become addicted to the Palladia ch=
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s leads to having a lot of CD's (some without proper labeling). I often dis=
tribute CD's to close friends for comments. I've gotten in the habit of ena=
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cently become addicted to the Palladia channel on cable/satellite TV and, w=
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preciate, I've also noted the number of bands that, at least to&nbsp;my ear=
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On Jul 28, 2012, at 11:35 PM, Matthias Grob wrote:

> and I suspect that many artists that entered history had the =20
> impression they were doing "journaling" as you call it! a very =20
> personal story can become relevant for humanity, independent of the =20=

> intention=85


Absolutely agree, Matthias; well said!

Ted K. replied off-list to my over-long story and it seems relevant =20
(given some of these later posts) to share a bit of our exchange. He =20
said, in part:

> I was saddened to read what (I think) you seemed to be saying...that =20=

> you'd stopped doing the music (more-or-less) because you came to the =20=

> conclusion that you were only doing it only for yourself - for your =20=

> own mental health - and to you (maybe) this was somehow unworthy. ...

> I know full well that I do all the weird "creative" things that I =20
> do, writing, image-making, music/noise-making, entirely out of an =20
> internal need of some sort. ...

> But I really think the world needs every single one of its artists, =20=

> musicians, writers, poets, prophets and visionaries...yes, crazy =20
> people most of them. ...

To which I replied:

Hey, Ted

Thanks for your thoughtful reply! But not to worry; I agree with you =20
completely, ... and I didn't stop my guitar journalling until many =20
years later, due to the combination of renewed interest in painting =20
(main reason) and increasing hand pain from playing (minor, but =20
aggravated by playing less frequently). The journalling, not art-=20
making judgment is self-imposed, of course, and I realize artists are =20=

rarely the best critics of their own work; it comes from acknowledging =20=

my persistent disinterest in confronting technical, craft deficiencies =20=

with my music in favor of more or less pure emotional indulgence. Not =20=

at all nec. a bad thing; I'm not sneering at journalling, and I =20
definitely got some gold from it; the medicine worked while the magic =20=

lasted! But as I achieved increasing levels of manual fluency, my lack =20=

of discipline did become an increasing problem, leading to ever more =20
hours of formulaic noodling and much rarer strikes of gold...

I loved Matthias' remark: "...later it became cleaner and smarter, but =20=

more routine=85" I never really got smarter, but certainly found the =20
routine harder and harder to avoid, until painting revived itself. And =20=

now I find similar issues coming up with that, but also a greater =20
willingness to deal with them. I just read a nice line in a =20
watercolorist's how-I-paint book: "This isn't a how-to book; that =20
would imply that I KNOW how-to!" He goes on to develop the idea that =20
thinking you know how to paint is almost certain to be the end of good =20=

painting. The unknown is always where we should be trying go, and =20
turning unknowns into knowns seems to just mean we have to keep on =20
moving, since staying with knowns is like dying... And each new level =20=

of mystery seems to be more obscure, and more demanding, than the last.

dpc



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2012, at 11:35 PM, Matthias Grob wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color: =
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auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; ">and I suspect =
that many artists that entered history had the impression they were =
doing "journaling" as you call it! a very personal story can become =
relevant for humanity, independent of the =
intention=85</span></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div>Absolutely =
agree, Matthias; well said!<div><br></div><div>Ted K. replied off-list =
to my over-long story and it seems relevant (given some of these later =
posts) to share a bit of our exchange. He said, in =
part:</div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type=3D"cite">I was saddened =
to read what (I think) you seemed to be saying...that you'd stopped =
doing the music (more-or-less) because you came to the conclusion that =
you were only doing it only for yourself - for your own mental health - =
and to you (maybe) this was somehow unworthy. =
...&nbsp;</blockquote><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">I know full well =
that I do all the weird "creative" things that I do, writing, =
image-making, music/noise-making, entirely out of an internal need of =
some sort. ...&nbsp;</blockquote><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">But I =
really think the world needs every single one of its artists, musicians, =
writers, poets, prophets and visionaries...yes, crazy people most of =
them.&nbsp;...</blockquote><div><br></div>To which I =
replied:</div><div><br></div><div>Hey, Ted<br><br>Thanks for your =
thoughtful reply! But not to worry; I agree with you completely, ... and =
I didn't stop my guitar journalling until many years later, due to the =
combination of renewed interest in painting (main reason) and increasing =
hand pain from playing (minor, but aggravated by playing less =
frequently). The journalling, not art-making judgment is self-imposed, =
of course, and I realize artists are rarely the best critics of their =
own work; it comes from acknowledging my persistent disinterest in =
confronting technical, craft deficiencies with my music in favor of more =
or less pure emotional indulgence. Not at all nec. a bad thing; I'm not =
sneering at journalling, and I definitely got some gold from it; the =
medicine worked while the magic lasted! But as I achieved increasing =
levels of manual fluency, my lack of discipline did become an increasing =
problem, leading to ever more hours of formulaic noodling and much rarer =
strikes of gold...<br><br>I loved Matthias' remark: "...later it became =
cleaner and smarter, but more routine=85" I never really got smarter, =
but certainly found the routine harder and harder to avoid, until =
painting revived itself. And now I find similar issues coming up with =
that, but also a greater willingness to deal with them. I just read a =
nice line in a watercolorist's how-I-paint book: "This isn't a how-to =
book; that would imply that I KNOW how-to!" He goes on to develop the =
idea that thinking you know how to paint is almost certain to be the end =
of good painting. The unknown is always where we should be trying go, =
and turning unknowns into knowns seems to just mean we have to keep on =
moving, since staying with knowns is like dying... And each new level of =
mystery seems to be more obscure, and more demanding, than the =
last.<br><br>dpc</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></body></html>=

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Violet I'm glad you brought to mind. Cara, I thought of her yesterday
and started to post but didn't.  Kudos to you...

Jim

On 7/29/12, Violet Xoxox <violet@missviolet.com> wrote:
> Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello! Correct me if I'm wrong,
>>
>>I think you are wrong and will now correct you. Long ago a blind
>>keyboard player came out on this list. I don't remember his name (hey
>>- maybe he is reading this? Feel free to chime in if so) but he is
>>French and played for a while with Jon Hassell.
>
> Let's not forget longtime list member and looper, Cara Quinn.  She's stil=
l
> here (she pops in and out, but posted several times in April and May).
>
> Cara stands out for me not because she's visually-impaired, but because
> she's one of the few chicas on the list.  Plus she actually met Kim at on=
e
> of the first looping festivals!  :)
>
> Like a lot of looping artists, she uses a variety of equipment, but she's
> mentioned that she uses the EDP more than anything else when looping with
> other people.
>
> Violet
> xoxox
>
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=3D8>
*, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.

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an amazing observation!
did you verify this?
there are millions of those switches in hundreds of different music =
machines out there
and a reasonable part ends up being audible somewhere=85

so: that o-ring would be a sucess product!

On 29 Jul 2012, at 8:52 AM, Charles Zwicky wrote:

> That video is idiotic. The "switches" in the DL-4  *are* silent. It's=20=

> the metal plungers / actuators that make the noise. A small o-ring=20
> around each should eliminate the metal on metal "click"...
>=20

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>http://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238
>http://www.youtube.com/user/gumdrops27
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>Perhaps=20you=20could=20use=20a=20WiiRemote=20as=20a=20method=20of=20contr=
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>looping=20audio=20interface=20or=20VST/AU.=20This=20could=20be=20achieved=
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=20pianist
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>>played=20with=20and=20produced=20many=20of=20the=20top=20west=20african=
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http://billfox.blogspot.com/2012/07/galactic-travels-top-20-report-for-july.html

WDIY 88.1 FM "Galactic Travels" Top 20 for July, 2012.
Shows #796 to #799; 5-July-2012 to 26-July-2012
Reported in non-ranked, alphanumeric order.
Compiled by Bill Fox

The Special Focus for July was Radio Massacre International.


ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL
========================================================================
Broekhuis, Keller, and Schonwalder - Red - Manikin
Bruno Sanfilippo - Urbs - Hypnos
Craig Padilla - The Heart of the Soul - Spotted Peccary
Daren Keck - Quiet Hillside - Wayfarer
Dave Luxton - Singularity In Sound - Wayfarer
Forrest Fang - Animism - Projekt
Loren Nerell - Slow Dream - Projekt
Monty Adkins - Four Shibusa - Audiobulb
mystified with Robin Storey - Music for Transit - Roil Noise
Pragate - The WorldAbove Us - none
RMI - Lost in Transit 4; Damo - Northern Echo
RMI - Lost in Transit 2; The National Space Centre 2005 - Northern Echo
RMI - Lost in Transit 3; The National Space Centre 2006 - Northern Echo
RMI - Lost in Transit 4; Damo - Northern Echo
Seren Ffordd + Oophoi - The Martian Chronicles - Hypnos
Shane Morris and Mystified - Epoch - Lotuspike
Steve Dinsdale - The Vast Key - Northern Echo
Steve Roach and Dirk Serries - Low Volume Music - Projeekt
The Tangent Project - Live 2010-2011 - none
Various Artists - Second Decade 2002-2012 - Manikin

Bill
========================================================================
Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show,
Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and
Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in
Trexlertown and Fogelsville.  WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio
on 88.1 FM.
Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info (temporarily down)
Temporary site: http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels
Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org on-line.

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Cara Quinn

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MORE SOLUTIONS !!!!  :)

Since his note below, Matthias and I spoke offline about these things, =
so I'm gonna summarize here for the benefit of any following this thread =
now or in the future :)

- - - - -

The Presets via Program Change method covered earlier in the thread =
works great. We have not established why my VST menu does not update to =
reflect changes, but Matthias' menu does.

That said, it is really a Plan B solution - what i was initially seeking =
was more acute.=20

- - - - -

THE PROBLEM

Imagine a continuous control with a range of 0-127.=20

Normally one would map a knob to that and be done with it. But in this =
case, it is the Subcycles param for my Echoloop VST, and I simply want a =
quick, precise, way to assign a specific value: 2, 4, 8, 16, 9, etc... =
It's maddening to do this with a knob or fader or text entry. A button =
is really called for.

SO on the EDP, the way we get around this is by saving and recalling =
Presets. But this is rather heavy handed, especially in a software =
environ where we want more  acute control.

I had thought of using dummy clip envelopes, but that only partially =
worked; then I thought of using MIDI clip control  envelopes, and that =
was super complicated and only partially worked; using MIDI learn in =
Ableton was not possible I thought because Ableton does not allow =
many-to-one mappings.

At an impasse :)

- - - - -

THE SOLUTION !!

Here is the final, and correct, solution:

1. Expose the desired control using Echoloop's 'learn' process (in this =
case, Subcycles). This surfaces in the VST UI as a 0-127 slider.

2. Map that slider to a button on whatever control surface you will be =
using. You will want to send a CC message with a value attached.

In my case I was using a Korg NanoPad2, but found that it did not allow =
transmission of a specific value; so I moved to buttons available on a =
Korg NanoKontrol2 and found that they do indeed allow transmission of =
values for CC message.

3. Now, create as many more buttons as you need, but use the exact same =
CC# for each... and for each, send a different value: 4, 8, 16, etc.

This seems very clever to me, works like a charm, and seems obvious in =
hindsight - but despite quite literally 4 days of banging my head =
against this problem (home sick with nothing else to do !), the solution =
has eluded me.

I bow down to the Masters on this list, and especially Matthias - really =
loving Echoloop :)=20

Best,

Phil :)




On Jul 28, 2012, at 6:06 PM, Matthias Grob wrote:

>=20
> On 28 Jul 2012, at 5:44 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote:
>>=20
>> You are of course correct that the Echoloop is responding to Pgm =
Changes, but I could not see that - because the Preset Banks popup menu =
does not update to show the current preset when it's being switched =
remotely !  (prolly worth a bugfix?)
>=20
> I wonder what menu you talk about=85 the one in the Live Echoloop GUI =
works here!
> in Bidule, the one in the VSTGUI window works too.
> could it be that you looked at Echoloops Setup menu? that serves for =
MIDI and such settings and is not related to Presets
>>=20
>> Digging deeper for testing, i set up 16 distinct presets with =
Subcycle values of 1,2,3,4,5 etc... and sending Pgm Changes 0-15 via =
direct MIDI was in fact correctly updating params as stored in the =
presets for the VST.
>>=20
>> So - halle-freaking-lujah, there is a way. What I *wanted* was a =
discrete control for each param I want to change or hit, but upon =
inventory it's clear the net of all those is under a dozen basic states =
for the VST. So, the preset change works and accomplishes that - and I =
get what I need.
>>=20
>> Thanks Andy, Per, Matthias, and everyone else who has suffered =
through this thread with me :)
>=20
> great that you are happy with your solution Phil!
> but let me show the method I suggested and just tested:
> - in Live's Echoloop thing (their, not our GUI) activate Configure
> - in our Echoloop GUI, go to MIDI (on the left) and there to Learn =
(almost on the right) and select the parameter you want (Quantize, for =
example). this makes the parameter Quantize appear in the Live Echoloop =
thing
> - top right you go to MIDI (which is like MIDI learn)
> - select the Quantize or whatever parameter in Lives Echoloop thing
> - send the MIDI command to Live
> - switch off Live's top right MIDI and go to Local in the Echoloop GUI =
and verify that it works!=20
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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; =
"><b>MORE SOLUTIONS !!!! &nbsp;:)</b><div><br></div><div>Since his note =
below, Matthias and I spoke offline about these things, so I'm gonna =
summarize here for the benefit of any following this thread now or in =
the future :)</div><div><br></div><div>- - - - =
-</div><div><br></div><div>The Presets via Program Change method covered =
earlier in the thread works great. We have not established why my VST =
menu does not update to reflect changes, but Matthias' menu =
does.</div><div><br></div><div>That said, it is really a Plan B solution =
- what i was initially seeking was more =
acute.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>- - - - =
-</div><div><br></div><div><b>THE =
PROBLEM</b></div><div><br></div><div>Imagine a continuous control with a =
range of 0-127.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Normally one would map a =
knob to that and be done with it. But in this case, it is the Subcycles =
param for my Echoloop VST, and I simply want a quick, precise, way to =
assign a specific value: 2, 4, 8, 16, 9, etc... It's maddening to do =
this with a knob or fader or text entry. A button is really called =
for.</div><div><br></div><div>SO on the EDP, the way we get around this =
is by saving and recalling Presets. But this is rather heavy handed, =
especially in a software environ where we want more &nbsp;acute =
control.</div><div><br></div><div>I had thought of using dummy clip =
envelopes, but that only partially worked; then I thought of using MIDI =
clip control &nbsp;envelopes, and that was super complicated and only =
partially worked; using MIDI learn in Ableton was not possible I thought =
because Ableton does not allow many-to-one =
mappings.</div><div><br></div><div>At an impasse =
:)</div><div><br></div><div>- - - - -</div><div><br></div><div><b>THE =
SOLUTION !!</b></div><div><br></div><div>Here is the final, and correct, =
solution:</div><div><br></div><div>1. Expose the desired control using =
Echoloop's 'learn' process (in this case, Subcycles). This surfaces in =
the VST UI as a 0-127 slider.</div><div><br></div><div>2. Map that =
slider to a button on whatever control surface you will be using. You =
will want to send a CC message with a value =
attached.</div><div><br></div><blockquote =
class=3D"webkit-indent-blockquote" style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: =
none; padding: 0px;"><div><i>In my case I was using a Korg NanoPad2, but =
found that it did not allow transmission of a specific value; so I moved =
to buttons available on a Korg NanoKontrol2 and found that they do =
indeed allow transmission of values for CC =
message.</i></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>3. Now, create as =
many more buttons as you need, but <b>use the exact same CC# for =
each</b>... and for each, send a <b>different value</b>: 4, 8, 16, =
etc.</div><div><br></div><div>This seems very clever to me, works like a =
charm, and seems obvious in hindsight - but despite quite literally 4 =
days of banging my head against this problem (home sick with nothing =
else to do !), the solution has eluded me.</div><div><br></div><div>I =
bow down to the Masters on this list, and especially Matthias - really =
loving Echoloop =
:)&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Phil =
:)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On=
 Jul 28, 2012, at 6:06 PM, Matthias Grob wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On 28 Jul 2012, =
at 5:44 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote:</div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div><font class=3D"Apple-style-span"><br></font>You are =
of course correct that the Echoloop is responding to Pgm Changes, but I =
could not see that - because the Preset Banks popup menu does not update =
to show the current preset when it's being switched remotely ! =
&nbsp;(prolly worth a bugfix?)<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>I =
wonder what menu you talk about=85 the one in the Live Echoloop GUI =
works here!</div><div>in Bidule, the one in the VSTGUI window works =
too.</div><div>could it be that you looked at Echoloops Setup menu? that =
serves for MIDI and such settings and is not related to =
Presets<br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><br>Digging deeper for =
testing, i set up 16 distinct presets with Subcycle values of 1,2,3,4,5 =
etc... and sending Pgm Changes 0-15 via direct MIDI was in fact =
correctly updating params as stored in the presets for the =
VST.<br><br>So - halle-freaking-lujah, there is a way. What I *wanted* =
was a discrete control for each param I want to change or hit, but upon =
inventory it's clear the net of all those is under a dozen basic states =
for the VST. So, the preset change works and accomplishes that - and I =
get what I need.<br><br>Thanks Andy, Per, Matthias, and everyone else =
who has suffered through this thread with me =
:)<br></div></blockquote></div><br><div>great that you are happy with =
your solution Phil!</div><div>but let me show the method&nbsp;I =
suggested&nbsp;and just tested:</div><div>- in Live's Echoloop thing =
(their, not our GUI) activate Configure</div><div>- in our Echoloop GUI, =
go to MIDI (on the left) and there to Learn (almost on the right) and =
select the parameter you want (Quantize, for example). this makes the =
parameter Quantize appear in the Live Echoloop thing</div><div>- top =
right you go to MIDI (which is like MIDI learn)</div><div>- select the =
Quantize or whatever parameter in Lives Echoloop thing</div><div>- send =
the MIDI command to Live</div><div>- switch off Live's top right MIDI =
and go to Local in the Echoloop GUI and verify that it =
works!&nbsp;</div><div><br></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body=
></html>=

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I self-listen a lot when I'm either working on the CD, or just when
the CD is released.

When I'm working on a CD, I try to listen to the music both as a
person who "gets" what I'm doing, and one who doesn't. It often takes
several listens to determine whether I think a track is CD worthy or
not.

When I'm finished with a CD, I often find myself listening again each
time I'm aware of someone new getting their hands on it or read a
review - I find it fascinating to try to listen from the perspective
of that person. Other than that, they only come up on shuffle play on
my ipod. Lately, I've hit "skip" on the iPod, because I signed up for
a site called last.fm, which tracks your plays, and I don't like being
displayed as my own biggest fan.

I try to be the harshest critic, among people who actually understand
my music. I think that's a good position to be in. 7 years after I
released "Bwoo", I hear a lot of things in it that I'm not happy with.
I'm not sure if any musician has the patience to 7-year test a CD
before releasing it though. "Living Things" - my most recent, at 2
years old - is my first release that I'm still 100% proud of this far
after the release date.

Lately, I try to find myself listening with "20 year ears", probably
since I discovered one of my biggest influences - Klaus Schulze -
about 20 years after he recorded the albums I picked up. I think of
someone stumbling on my dusty old cds somewhere, and try to imagine
whether my music would mean something to them or not.

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Hey everyone -=20

Quick survey for you computer-bound loopists:

What VST delay plug ins are you using and loving?

I am working in Ableton on a Mac - and I've been attempting to wean off =
hardware as much as possible. Moving from my Timeline to Ableton's =
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There re tons of delay plugins out there - where to begin...?

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I really like bionic delay by the interrupter=20

http://www.interruptor.ch/vst_overview.shtml






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> Hey everyone -=20
>=20
> Quick survey for you computer-bound loopists:
>=20
> What VST delay plug ins are you using and loving?
>=20
> I am working in Ableton on a Mac - and I've been attempting to wean off ha=
rdware as much as possible. Moving from my Timeline to Ableton's SimpleDelay=
 was easy enough, but SimpleDelay is kind of cold and transient-forward comp=
ared to the warmth of the Timeline (myriad other features notwithstanding).=20=

>=20
> There re tons of delay plugins out there - where to begin...?
>=20
> Phil :)
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20

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The best one I ever heard is the soundtoys echoboy. If you love analog with d=
igital features, it can't be beat, imo

Sent from my iPod

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> Hey everyone -=20
>=20
> Quick survey for you computer-bound loopists:
>=20
> What VST delay plug ins are you using and loving?
>=20
> I am working in Ableton on a Mac - and I've been attempting to wean off ha=
rdware as much as possible. Moving from my Timeline to Ableton's SimpleDelay=
 was easy enough, but SimpleDelay is kind of cold and transient-forward comp=
ared to the warmth of the Timeline (myriad other features notwithstanding).=20=

>=20
> There re tons of delay plugins out there - where to begin...?
>=20
> Phil :)
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20

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Fabfilter's Timeless 2 is easily my favourite.  Its interface is both=20
beautiful and easy to use and it sounds wonderful.  Definitely my 'desert=20
island delay.'

Valhalla DSP's =C3=9CberMod deserves honourable mention as a great chorus=20
plugin that can do all sorts of weird and wonderful delay and reverb=20
effects too at longer delay times.

That said, I do like Live's stock delays for some things.  Filter and Ping=20
Pong are both very nice.  The buffer freeze function on Ping Pong is a lot=20
of fun (Timeless 2 has this feature also, as it happens).

--On 29 July 2012 23:41 -0700 Phil Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail.com>=20
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> Hey everyone -
>
> Quick survey for you computer-bound loopists:
>
> What VST delay plug ins are you using and loving?
>
> I am working in Ableton on a Mac - and I've been attempting to wean off
> hardware as much as possible. Moving from my Timeline to Ableton's
> SimpleDelay was easy enough, but SimpleDelay is kind of cold and
> transient-forward compared to the warmth of the Timeline (myriad other
> features notwithstanding).
>
> There re tons of delay plugins out there - where to begin...?
>
> Phil :)
>
>
>
>




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For most of my musical life I have been making and playing music that I
like to listen to, therfore I almost ONLY play my own music.
I dip into "whats going on now" once in a while, mostly because I love to
see bands new live, but rarely have the time to track down or listen too
new recordings... theres almost too much available for free now, so I
really dont end up REALLY listening to music at all now, almost everything
I do listen to is the first time I have heard it, and probably the last.
If I have any free time at all, I make music, not listen to it...
Unfortunately, I can=B4t work to music, so when I=B4m editing films, or mak=
ing
games, I have to have silence. Also i have never been able to use
headphones...
To be honest I haveing had any REALLY ground breaking discoveries for many
many years, OK maybe Merzbow about 6 years ago... (not cos I like it, just
cos.. well I was rather surprised)
However, I try to keep up, dubstep lasted about 2 days, is there anything
since that really?

So.. Yes.. I keep coming back to MY music, its WHY I write it... for
myself... its exactly what I like listening too, I just dont understand
whey no one else does!!

;-)

Mark

--=20
*Mark Francombe*
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For most of my musical life I have been making and playing music that I lik=
e to listen to, therfore I almost ONLY play my own music.<br>I dip into &qu=
ot;whats going on now&quot; once in a while, mostly because I love to see b=
ands new live, but rarely have the time to track down or listen too new rec=
ordings... theres almost too much available for free now, so I really dont =
end up REALLY listening to music at all now, almost everything I do listen =
to is the first time I have heard it, and probably the last.<br>

If I have any free time at all, I make music, not listen to it...<br>Unfort=
unately, I can=B4t work to music, so when I=B4m editing films, or making ga=
mes, I have to have silence. Also i have never been able to use headphones.=
..<br>

To be honest I haveing had any REALLY ground breaking discoveries for many =
many years, OK maybe Merzbow about 6 years ago... (not cos I like it, just =
cos.. well I was rather surprised)<br>However, I try to keep up, dubstep la=
sted about 2 days, is there anything since that really?<br>

<br>So.. Yes.. I keep coming back to MY music, its WHY I write it... for my=
self... its exactly what I like listening too, I just dont understand whey =
no one else does!!<br><br>;-)<br><br>Mark<br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><i st=
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><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,0,51)" href=3D"http://www.looop.no/" target=3D"_b=
lank">http://www.looop.no</a><br>

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Peace=2C
g

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk


> >=20
> > Quick survey for you computer-bound loopists:
> >=20
> > What VST delay plug ins are you using and loving?
> >=20
> > I am working in Ableton on a Mac - and I've been attempting to wean off=
 hardware as much as possible. Moving from my Timeline to Ableton's SimpleD=
elay was easy enough=2C but SimpleDelay is kind of cold and transient-forwa=
rd compared to the warmth of the Timeline (myriad other features notwithsta=
nding).=20
> >=20
> > There re tons of delay plugins out there - where to begin...?
> >=20
> > Phil :)
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
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Any nominations here? Free preferably but I will pay for something outstand=
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Peace

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Augustus loop gets my vote. Really ugly standard interface but very well th=
ought out - can be used as a looper too..
Peace=2C
g

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk


> >=20
> > Quick survey for you computer-bound loopists:
> >=20
> > What VST delay plug ins are you using and loving?
> >=20
> > I am working in Ableton on a Mac - and I've been attempting to wean off=
 hardware as much as possible. Moving from my Timeline to Ableton's SimpleD=
elay was easy enough=2C but SimpleDelay is kind of cold and transient-forwa=
rd compared to the warmth of the Timeline (myriad other features notwithsta=
nding).=20
> >=20
> > There re tons of delay plugins out there - where to begin...?
> >=20
> > Phil :)
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
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ValhallaRoom is great for $50.  A bunch of different algorithms, tweakable 
but not complicated and it's regularly updated too.

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> Any nominations here? Free preferably but I will pay for something
> outstanding..
>
>
> Peace
>
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> To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
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> Augustus loop gets my vote. Really ugly standard interface but very well
> thought out - can be used as a looper too..
>
>
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>> >
>> > Quick survey for you computer-bound loopists:
>> >
>> > What VST delay plug ins are you using and loving?
>> >
>> > I am working in Ableton on a Mac - and I've been attempting to wean
>> > off hardware as much as possible. Moving from my Timeline to Ableton's
>> > SimpleDelay was easy enough, but SimpleDelay is kind of cold and
>> > transient-forward compared to the warmth of the Timeline (myriad other
>> > features notwithstanding).
>> >
>> > There re tons of delay plugins out there - where to begin...?
>> >
>> > Phil :)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>




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On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Phil Clevenger
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> What VST delay plug ins are you using and loving?


Two of my fav's are already mentioned: FabFilter Timeless 2 and
SoundToys Echoboy (also great for "vintage reverb").

My third favorite delay is the Tape Delay found in Logic and
Mainstage. The cool thing is its nice emulation of tape speed switch
noise. Timeless 2 also has that BTW, but not so simple and sexy as the
Tape Delay plugin. Too bad it is not a separate plugin and only found
as part of Logic and Mainstage. I think though, that you should be
able to set up a similar tape speed noise dub thing with Augustus
Loop. I don't use Augustus in general, as I do with the one mentioned
above, but for specific tasks where I know that "this thing I want
here is a typical case for Augustus". I kind of use Augustus more as a
looper than for delay effect processing.

For my kind of live looping I like a delay with such speed shift noise
emulations because when I change the tempo, while playing, all such
delays scream and whine in a lovely way.

Since you are using Ableton Live I must say that I like its Ping Pong
Delay as well! Especially since it has a filter that you can set to
sweep a bit by some LFO control routing. For dub feel tweaking one can
set Live's Return Track (that hosts the Ping Pong Delay) to Send into
itself. But be careful not to go into feedback hell. Better slap a
limiter or compressor into the loop. No fancy rubberband feel of tape
speed noise here, but thanks to the filter in the signal path you can
create "climbing shimmer" delays that add a new dimension to your
music (I often do the filter-climb trick with Tape Delay and Echoboy
too).

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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The free reverb you already have on the Mac is great! It's called
AUMatricReverb and the search path in any host application is "Audio
Units / Apple / AUMatricReverb".

If you want "something outstanding" I must recommend Aether by
2C-Audio. I used it to great value in this recording:
http://soundcloud.com/pboy/hope as for an example. No impulse response
reverb sounds a good as Aether to me. I'm not sure why but I think it
has to do with the fact that Aether changes its sound parameters
slightly all the time; just like a real room's acoustics do (as people
move there heads now and then when seated in an auditorium), the same
trick used in the hardware Lexicon reverb boxes.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen


On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Philip Conway
<Philip.Conway@bristol.ac.uk> wrote:
> ValhallaRoom is great for $50.  A bunch of different algorithms, tweakable
> but not complicated and it's regularly updated too.
>
>
> --On 30 July 2012 09:22 +0000 Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Any nominations here? Free preferably but I will pay for something
>> outstanding..
>>
>>
>> Peace
>>
>>
>>
>> Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> __________________________________________________
>>
>> From: buddhamachine@live.co.uk
>> To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Subject: RE: Delay VST PlugIn Survey
>> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:21:10 +0000
>>
>>
>> Augustus loop gets my vote. Really ugly standard interface but very well
>> thought out - can be used as a looper too..
>>
>>
>> Peace,
>>
>>
>> g
>>
>> Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> >
>>> > Quick survey for you computer-bound loopists:
>>> >
>>> > What VST delay plug ins are you using and loving?
>>> >
>>> > I am working in Ableton on a Mac - and I've been attempting to wean
>>> > off hardware as much as possible. Moving from my Timeline to Ableton's
>>> > SimpleDelay was easy enough, but SimpleDelay is kind of cold and
>>> > transient-forward compared to the warmth of the Timeline (myriad other
>>> > features notwithstanding).
>>> >
>>> > There re tons of delay plugins out there - where to begin...?
>>> >
>>> > Phil :)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>
>
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>

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On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 4:19 AM, Tyler <programmer651@comcast.net> wrote:
> Since looping is being used in a lot of the electronically-produced music of today

Aren't you confusing "looping" with "loops played back" here? ;-))

Back on topic - interesting thread! When I joined this list ten years
ago I was amazed when finally finding out the quite impressive age of
some people writing the most exciting posts! That felt very refreshing
to me back then, because up to then I had lived with the impression
that only quite young people shared my esthetics in music. I think
it's very cool with the Loopers-Delight that people are of all ages
but still (sometimes) talk about stuff we all relate to in a similar
way.

Oh... almost forgot. No, I'm not under 25.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Gareth,

For a while there TC Electronic were giving away their M30 reverb =
plug-in for FREE.

They sell their M40 for $199 USD.

But the M30 (I would guess it's an earlier version or something) might =
possibly still be available (I think) for only $39 USD here:

<http://www.tcelectronic.com/freetcreverb.asp>

It sounds pretty good to my ears and is not a CPU hog like a lot of =
reverbs are.

Best,

Ted

On Jul 30, 2012, at 2:22 AM, Gareth Whittock wrote:

> Any nominations here? Free preferably but I will pay for something =
outstanding..
>=20
> Peace
>=20
>=20
> Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk
>=20
> From: buddhamachine@live.co.uk
> To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: RE: Delay VST PlugIn Survey
> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:21:10 +0000
>=20
> Augustus loop gets my vote. Really ugly standard interface but very =
well thought out - can be used as a looper too..
>=20
> Peace,
>=20
> g
>=20
> Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk
>=20
>=20
> > >=20
> > > Quick survey for you computer-bound loopists:
> > >=20
> > > What VST delay plug ins are you using and loving?
> > >=20
> > > I am working in Ableton on a Mac - and I've been attempting to =
wean off hardware as much as possible. Moving from my Timeline to =
Ableton's SimpleDelay was easy enough, but SimpleDelay is kind of cold =
and transient-forward compared to the warmth of the Timeline (myriad =
other features notwithstanding).=20
> > >=20
> > > There re tons of delay plugins out there - where to begin...?
> > >=20
> > > Phil :)
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > >=20
> >=20

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Hi,

I just was surprised reading about what a nice looper comes as part of
the guitar amp Fractal Audio Systems Axe Fx II. See for yourself in
the manual quote below:


The Axe-Fx has a full-featured Looper which allows you to create
multi-layered performances in real time. The
maximum loop time varies from 15 to 60 seconds, depending on your
choices for mono/stereo/undo.

Looper functions can be operated from the Axe-Fx front panel, or
remotely via MIDI. Looper CC# assignments appear on the CONTROL page
of the I/O menu

Looper Basic Controls
RECORD =E2=80=93 When you press RECORD, the Looper starts recording (if you
hadn=E2=80=99t guessed as much we have to wonder...) Here=E2=80=99s somethi=
ng that=E2=80=99s
not as obvious: press record again to stop recording and instantly
start
playback. This prevents you needing to hunt around for more than one
footswitch to start a loop. If the record length reaches the maximum
allowed for the current mode, recording will end and playback will
stop automatically.

PLAY =E2=80=93 This switch has two functions: use it to stop recording and
begin playback, or use it to instantly stop playback that is already
rolling. A momentary switch can be assigned to PLAY for stutter
effects.

ONCE =E2=80=93 Toggles =E2=80=9Cauto-stop at loop-end,=E2=80=9D so that if =
playback is
running, the looper will stop automatically when it reaches the end of
the loop. If playback is already stopped, ONCE will start playback,
play through the loop and then stop. You cannot go directly from
RECORD to ONCE.

STACK =E2=80=93 Overdubs audio on an existing loop. Pressing it again stops
the addition but playback continues. Existing audio is faded every
time through the loop based on the setting of the DUB MIX parameter on
the Looper=E2=80=99s MIX page.

UNDO =E2=80=93 This removes the most recently recorded overdub. Undo remove=
s a
given =E2=80=9Ctake,=E2=80=9D defined as everything between when you presse=
d STACK to
start overdub recording and when you turned it off.

REV =E2=80=93 Pressing this reverses the direction of the Looper. Playback =
and
STACK recording are supported.

HALF =E2=80=93 Slows the Looper=E2=80=99s speed to half. Playback and norma=
l or
overdub recording are supported at half speed. For double speed
playback, record in half speed and then switch back to normal. Note:
Halving the speed slightly reduces high-end frequency response.
Each Axe-Fx II preset can use one Looper block. Looper Advanced Controls

MODE =E2=80=93 Selects the Looper mode, determining mono/stereo, looper
length, and undo. Whenever you change the mode, the looper memory will
be entirely cleared.

MONO =E2=80=93 Recording and playback are in mono. Maximum loop length is 6=
0
seconds. Undo is not possible.

STEREO =E2=80=93 Recording and playback are in stereo. Maximum loop length =
is
30 seconds. Undo is not possible. MONO UNDO =E2=80=93 Recording and playbac=
k
are in mono. Maximum loop length is 30 seconds. Undo works.

STEREO UNDO =E2=80=93 Recording and playback are in mono. Maximum loop leng=
th
is 60 seconds. Undo works.

QUANT =E2=80=93 With quantize enabled, loop length is perfectly set to some
whole number of beats) with reference to the pulses of the Axe-Fx
GLOBAL TEMPO (see p. 146)).

THRSH =E2=80=93 The Axe-Fx Looper can start recording automatically when th=
e
input exceeds a set level. Turn this feature ON or OFF using this
parameter.

THRSH LEVEL =E2=80=93 This sets the level which must be exceeded at the inp=
ut
of the Looper for recording to start automatically.

DUB MIX =E2=80=93 Actually located on the Looper=E2=80=99s MIX page, this d=
etermines
how much layers are reduced when you STACK new layers. If you never
want old layers to decay, set this to 100%, but be aware that adding
additional layers in this way can result in excessive signal and
clipping.

Looper Mix Parameters
The Looper has a MIX page with LEVEL, BALANCE, and BYPASS MODE parameters.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Dub mix and threshold are a nice touch!

Ricky

On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just was surprised reading about what a nice looper comes as part of
> the guitar amp Fractal Audio Systems Axe Fx II. See for yourself in
> the manual quote below:
>
>
> The Axe-Fx has a full-featured Looper which allows you to create
> multi-layered performances in real time. The
> maximum loop time varies from 15 to 60 seconds, depending on your
> choices for mono/stereo/undo.
>
> Looper functions can be operated from the Axe-Fx front panel, or
> remotely via MIDI. Looper CC# assignments appear on the CONTROL page
> of the I/O menu
>
> Looper Basic Controls
> RECORD =96 When you press RECORD, the Looper starts recording (if you
> hadn=92t guessed as much we have to wonder...) Here=92s something that=92=
s
> not as obvious: press record again to stop recording and instantly
> start
> playback. This prevents you needing to hunt around for more than one
> footswitch to start a loop. If the record length reaches the maximum
> allowed for the current mode, recording will end and playback will
> stop automatically.
>
> PLAY =96 This switch has two functions: use it to stop recording and
> begin playback, or use it to instantly stop playback that is already
> rolling. A momentary switch can be assigned to PLAY for stutter
> effects.
>
> ONCE =96 Toggles =93auto-stop at loop-end,=94 so that if playback is
> running, the looper will stop automatically when it reaches the end of
> the loop. If playback is already stopped, ONCE will start playback,
> play through the loop and then stop. You cannot go directly from
> RECORD to ONCE.
>
> STACK =96 Overdubs audio on an existing loop. Pressing it again stops
> the addition but playback continues. Existing audio is faded every
> time through the loop based on the setting of the DUB MIX parameter on
> the Looper=92s MIX page.
>
> UNDO =96 This removes the most recently recorded overdub. Undo removes a
> given =93take,=94 defined as everything between when you pressed STACK to
> start overdub recording and when you turned it off.
>
> REV =96 Pressing this reverses the direction of the Looper. Playback and
> STACK recording are supported.
>
> HALF =96 Slows the Looper=92s speed to half. Playback and normal or
> overdub recording are supported at half speed. For double speed
> playback, record in half speed and then switch back to normal. Note:
> Halving the speed slightly reduces high-end frequency response.
> Each Axe-Fx II preset can use one Looper block. Looper Advanced Controls
>
> MODE =96 Selects the Looper mode, determining mono/stereo, looper
> length, and undo. Whenever you change the mode, the looper memory will
> be entirely cleared.
>
> MONO =96 Recording and playback are in mono. Maximum loop length is 60
> seconds. Undo is not possible.
>
> STEREO =96 Recording and playback are in stereo. Maximum loop length is
> 30 seconds. Undo is not possible. MONO UNDO =96 Recording and playback
> are in mono. Maximum loop length is 30 seconds. Undo works.
>
> STEREO UNDO =96 Recording and playback are in mono. Maximum loop length
> is 60 seconds. Undo works.
>
> QUANT =96 With quantize enabled, loop length is perfectly set to some
> whole number of beats) with reference to the pulses of the Axe-Fx
> GLOBAL TEMPO (see p. 146)).
>
> THRSH =96 The Axe-Fx Looper can start recording automatically when the
> input exceeds a set level. Turn this feature ON or OFF using this
> parameter.
>
> THRSH LEVEL =96 This sets the level which must be exceeded at the input
> of the Looper for recording to start automatically.
>
> DUB MIX =96 Actually located on the Looper=92s MIX page, this determines
> how much layers are reduced when you STACK new layers. If you never
> want old layers to decay, set this to 100%, but be aware that adding
> additional layers in this way can result in excessive signal and
> clipping.
>
> Looper Mix Parameters
> The Looper has a MIX page with LEVEL, BALANCE, and BYPASS MODE parameters=
.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.com
> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>

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On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Ricky Graham
<rickygrahammusic@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dub mix and threshold are a nice touch!

Yep. "Dub mix" is just what we usually call "feedback" and here you
may assign an expression pedal to it. Threshold recording is something
I must confess never having used although all my loopers support it. I
prefer a direct kick pad for the Record function.

One disappointment is the implementation of the Record function. I
would much rather have it "EDP style", i.e. instantly deleting the
loop and starting over recording a new loop. It's cool with me if the
"Boss style", going "overdub" on the second press, only is active IF
IN RECORD MODE because then a third press of Record could be used to
instantly delete the loop and start recording a new loop. I could not
make out if this is the case from the way the manual is written.
Probably not. But one can suggest that. I've heard that the developer
accepts good suggestions to implement in system upgrades. Would be
cool if the looper block could optionally be used to set a new tempo
(also "EDP style"). For now you need to dedicate one pedalboard pad
for a tap tempo function and in order to use the looper effectively
you have to already  be playing with a loud and clear tempo function
audible from some other effect block.

Per

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Hi Per,=20

Since you know so much about this all, can you tell me the difference =
between the Axe FX II and the Axe FX Ultra?

On Jul 30, 2012, at 9:33 AM, Per Boysen wrote:

> Hi,
>=20
> I just was surprised reading about what a nice looper comes as part of
> the guitar amp Fractal Audio Systems Axe Fx II. See for yourself in
> the manual quote below:
>=20
>=20
> The Axe-Fx has a full-featured Looper which allows you to create
> multi-layered performances in real time. The
> maximum loop time varies from 15 to 60 seconds, depending on your
> choices for mono/stereo/undo.
>=20
> Looper functions can be operated from the Axe-Fx front panel, or
> remotely via MIDI. Looper CC# assignments appear on the CONTROL page
> of the I/O menu
>=20
> Looper Basic Controls
> RECORD =96 When you press RECORD, the Looper starts recording (if you
> hadn=92t guessed as much we have to wonder...) Here=92s something =
that=92s
> not as obvious: press record again to stop recording and instantly
> start
> playback. This prevents you needing to hunt around for more than one
> footswitch to start a loop. If the record length reaches the maximum
> allowed for the current mode, recording will end and playback will
> stop automatically.
>=20
> PLAY =96 This switch has two functions: use it to stop recording and
> begin playback, or use it to instantly stop playback that is already
> rolling. A momentary switch can be assigned to PLAY for stutter
> effects.
>=20
> ONCE =96 Toggles =93auto-stop at loop-end,=94 so that if playback is
> running, the looper will stop automatically when it reaches the end of
> the loop. If playback is already stopped, ONCE will start playback,
> play through the loop and then stop. You cannot go directly from
> RECORD to ONCE.
>=20
> STACK =96 Overdubs audio on an existing loop. Pressing it again stops
> the addition but playback continues. Existing audio is faded every
> time through the loop based on the setting of the DUB MIX parameter on
> the Looper=92s MIX page.
>=20
> UNDO =96 This removes the most recently recorded overdub. Undo removes =
a
> given =93take,=94 defined as everything between when you pressed STACK =
to
> start overdub recording and when you turned it off.
>=20
> REV =96 Pressing this reverses the direction of the Looper. Playback =
and
> STACK recording are supported.
>=20
> HALF =96 Slows the Looper=92s speed to half. Playback and normal or
> overdub recording are supported at half speed. For double speed
> playback, record in half speed and then switch back to normal. Note:
> Halving the speed slightly reduces high-end frequency response.
> Each Axe-Fx II preset can use one Looper block. Looper Advanced =
Controls
>=20
> MODE =96 Selects the Looper mode, determining mono/stereo, looper
> length, and undo. Whenever you change the mode, the looper memory will
> be entirely cleared.
>=20
> MONO =96 Recording and playback are in mono. Maximum loop length is 60
> seconds. Undo is not possible.
>=20
> STEREO =96 Recording and playback are in stereo. Maximum loop length =
is
> 30 seconds. Undo is not possible. MONO UNDO =96 Recording and playback
> are in mono. Maximum loop length is 30 seconds. Undo works.
>=20
> STEREO UNDO =96 Recording and playback are in mono. Maximum loop =
length
> is 60 seconds. Undo works.
>=20
> QUANT =96 With quantize enabled, loop length is perfectly set to some
> whole number of beats) with reference to the pulses of the Axe-Fx
> GLOBAL TEMPO (see p. 146)).
>=20
> THRSH =96 The Axe-Fx Looper can start recording automatically when the
> input exceeds a set level. Turn this feature ON or OFF using this
> parameter.
>=20
> THRSH LEVEL =96 This sets the level which must be exceeded at the =
input
> of the Looper for recording to start automatically.
>=20
> DUB MIX =96 Actually located on the Looper=92s MIX page, this =
determines
> how much layers are reduced when you STACK new layers. If you never
> want old layers to decay, set this to 100%, but be aware that adding
> additional layers in this way can result in excessive signal and
> clipping.
>=20
> Looper Mix Parameters
> The Looper has a MIX page with LEVEL, BALANCE, and BYPASS MODE =
parameters.
>=20
> Greetings from Sweden
>=20
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.com
> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>=20

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The II is newer and better than the Ultra.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen


On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Laurie Amat <voicesound@att.net> wrote:
> Hi Per,
>
> Since you know so much about this all, can you tell me the difference bet=
ween the Axe FX II and the Axe FX Ultra?
>
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 9:33 AM, Per Boysen wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just was surprised reading about what a nice looper comes as part of
>> the guitar amp Fractal Audio Systems Axe Fx II. See for yourself in
>> the manual quote below:
>>
>>
>> The Axe-Fx has a full-featured Looper which allows you to create
>> multi-layered performances in real time. The
>> maximum loop time varies from 15 to 60 seconds, depending on your
>> choices for mono/stereo/undo.
>>
>> Looper functions can be operated from the Axe-Fx front panel, or
>> remotely via MIDI. Looper CC# assignments appear on the CONTROL page
>> of the I/O menu
>>
>> Looper Basic Controls
>> RECORD =E2=80=93 When you press RECORD, the Looper starts recording (if =
you
>> hadn=E2=80=99t guessed as much we have to wonder...) Here=E2=80=99s some=
thing that=E2=80=99s
>> not as obvious: press record again to stop recording and instantly
>> start
>> playback. This prevents you needing to hunt around for more than one
>> footswitch to start a loop. If the record length reaches the maximum
>> allowed for the current mode, recording will end and playback will
>> stop automatically.
>>
>> PLAY =E2=80=93 This switch has two functions: use it to stop recording a=
nd
>> begin playback, or use it to instantly stop playback that is already
>> rolling. A momentary switch can be assigned to PLAY for stutter
>> effects.
>>
>> ONCE =E2=80=93 Toggles =E2=80=9Cauto-stop at loop-end,=E2=80=9D so that =
if playback is
>> running, the looper will stop automatically when it reaches the end of
>> the loop. If playback is already stopped, ONCE will start playback,
>> play through the loop and then stop. You cannot go directly from
>> RECORD to ONCE.
>>
>> STACK =E2=80=93 Overdubs audio on an existing loop. Pressing it again st=
ops
>> the addition but playback continues. Existing audio is faded every
>> time through the loop based on the setting of the DUB MIX parameter on
>> the Looper=E2=80=99s MIX page.
>>
>> UNDO =E2=80=93 This removes the most recently recorded overdub. Undo rem=
oves a
>> given =E2=80=9Ctake,=E2=80=9D defined as everything between when you pre=
ssed STACK to
>> start overdub recording and when you turned it off.
>>
>> REV =E2=80=93 Pressing this reverses the direction of the Looper. Playba=
ck and
>> STACK recording are supported.
>>
>> HALF =E2=80=93 Slows the Looper=E2=80=99s speed to half. Playback and no=
rmal or
>> overdub recording are supported at half speed. For double speed
>> playback, record in half speed and then switch back to normal. Note:
>> Halving the speed slightly reduces high-end frequency response.
>> Each Axe-Fx II preset can use one Looper block. Looper Advanced Controls
>>
>> MODE =E2=80=93 Selects the Looper mode, determining mono/stereo, looper
>> length, and undo. Whenever you change the mode, the looper memory will
>> be entirely cleared.
>>
>> MONO =E2=80=93 Recording and playback are in mono. Maximum loop length i=
s 60
>> seconds. Undo is not possible.
>>
>> STEREO =E2=80=93 Recording and playback are in stereo. Maximum loop leng=
th is
>> 30 seconds. Undo is not possible. MONO UNDO =E2=80=93 Recording and play=
back
>> are in mono. Maximum loop length is 30 seconds. Undo works.
>>
>> STEREO UNDO =E2=80=93 Recording and playback are in mono. Maximum loop l=
ength
>> is 60 seconds. Undo works.
>>
>> QUANT =E2=80=93 With quantize enabled, loop length is perfectly set to s=
ome
>> whole number of beats) with reference to the pulses of the Axe-Fx
>> GLOBAL TEMPO (see p. 146)).
>>
>> THRSH =E2=80=93 The Axe-Fx Looper can start recording automatically when=
 the
>> input exceeds a set level. Turn this feature ON or OFF using this
>> parameter.
>>
>> THRSH LEVEL =E2=80=93 This sets the level which must be exceeded at the =
input
>> of the Looper for recording to start automatically.
>>
>> DUB MIX =E2=80=93 Actually located on the Looper=E2=80=99s MIX page, thi=
s determines
>> how much layers are reduced when you STACK new layers. If you never
>> want old layers to decay, set this to 100%, but be aware that adding
>> additional layers in this way can result in excessive signal and
>> clipping.
>>
>> Looper Mix Parameters
>> The Looper has a MIX page with LEVEL, BALANCE, and BYPASS MODE parameter=
s.
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.perboysen.com
>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>
>

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i'll answer that if you like. the axe fx II is a completely different
design - it uses two tigersharc chips instead of one and one of them
is dedicated solely to the amp modelling. the fx are almost the same,
with a few notable exceptions - the rotary block in the II is much
better than in the ultra....the II has a tape delay (with the ability
to alter tape speed)....and more drive types and more amp types. the
amp modelling has been totally re-written for the II, uses much more
processing power and is therefore more realistic. you can take an
impulse response of any guitar cabinet and also tone match any guitar
tone and match any amp (like the kemper)
we're just about to get firmware 7 for the II, which will include
updates to the preamp modelling, more effects and more drive types.
the reverb block has also been totally rewritten (and sounds amazing)
if you're looking for an effects processor and don't need the amp
modelling, then i would have said the ultra would probably be the way
to go, but the gap is widening with every firmware update

sim

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> Hi Per,
>
> Since you know so much about this all, can you tell me the difference between the Axe FX II and the Axe FX Ultra?

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I hope this isn't tooooo off-topic for this list, but this is one of the
relatively few lists that can understand my specific concern!

First, my looper cred:  I've been working on a Kinect-based live-looping
project named Holofunk (http://robjsoftware.org/2011/09/21/holofunk-lives/).
After demoing it a fair bit this summer I've concluded that I have a few
key features to finish if I'm going to make it really performance-worthy.
I corresponded with Rick about this year's looper festival in Santa Cruz,
but concluded I'm not ready to do a half-hour show yet, and won't be by
October; so I decided to pass on it this year.

Which is all fine -- I'm definitely making progress on those features --
but: I also have been diagnosed as needing braces.  I'll have to have them
for about two years.  Teenager at age 43, that's me.

I would *like* to come play at *next* year's looper festival, because I'll
definitely be ready by then :-)  But now I'm nervous that braces will make
beatboxing -- something I want to learn to do much better -- either
uncomfortable, or bad-sounding (due to weird tooth-to-lip interference), or
both.

Am I just making this concern up?  Or do braces actually genuinely affect
the ability to beatbox and do other lip-intensive kinds of singing?  I am
pretty sure I will get them this year either way (got to get it over
with...), but I just want to know what to mentally prepare myself for.

Anyone been in this situation?  What was your experience?

Net surfing anecdotes vary, which is why I'm looking for more first-hand
input.

Thanks for your patience with my left-field issue :-)
Cheers,
Rob

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<div>I hope this isn&#39;t tooooo off-topic for this list, but this is one =
of the relatively few lists that can understand my specific concern!</div><=
div>=A0</div><div>First, my looper cred:=A0 I&#39;ve been working on a Kine=
ct-based live-looping project named Holofunk (<a href=3D"http://robjsoftwar=
e.org/2011/09/21/holofunk-lives/">http://robjsoftware.org/2011/09/21/holofu=
nk-lives/</a>).=A0 After demoing it a fair bit this summer I&#39;ve conclud=
ed that I have a few key features to finish if I&#39;m going to make it rea=
lly performance-worthy.=A0 I corresponded with Rick about this year&#39;s l=
ooper festival in Santa Cruz, but concluded I&#39;m not ready to do a half-=
hour show yet, and won&#39;t be by October; so I decided to pass on it this=
 year.</div>
<div>=A0</div><div>Which is all fine -- I&#39;m definitely making progress =
on those features -- but: I also have been diagnosed as needing braces.=A0 =
I&#39;ll have to have them for about two years.=A0 Teenager at age 43, that=
&#39;s me.</div>
<div>=A0</div><div>I would <em>like</em> to come play at <em>next</em> year=
&#39;s looper festival, because I&#39;ll definitely be ready by then=A0:-)=
=A0 But now I&#39;m nervous that braces will make beatboxing -- something I=
 want to learn to do much better --=A0either uncomfortable, or bad-sounding=
 (due to weird tooth-to-lip interference), or both.</div>
<div>=A0</div><div>Am I just making this concern up?=A0 Or do braces actual=
ly genuinely affect the ability to beatbox and do other lip-intensive kinds=
 of singing?=A0 I am pretty sure I will get them this year either way (got =
to get it over with...), but I just want to know what to mentally prepare m=
yself for.</div>
<div>=A0</div><div>Anyone been in this situation?=A0 What was your experien=
ce?=A0 </div><div>=A0</div><div>Net surfing anecdotes vary, which is why I&=
#39;m looking for more first-hand input.</div><div>=A0</div><div>Thanks for=
 your patience with my left-field issue :-)<br>
Cheers,<br>Rob<br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Check my blog --&gt; <a href=3D"=
http://robjsoftware.org">http://robjsoftware.org</a><br>
</div>

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How about a "once was young" looper? I was going over the archives and
realized I was 25 when I joined the list in 2001.

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Rob,

I've not done beat boxing with braces, but plenty of singing, so I have
some insight.

Mainly it will depend on what kind of braces you have: fixed (train track),
one or more removable braces, or a combination of the two.  Depending on
the work you're having done, and the skill of your orthodontist, the number
of braces needed and types used may change several times in the course of
treatment.

Removable braces interfere with all types of singing to some extent, but
the advantage is you can take them out.  Removables with an open palate so
the tongue can touch the top of the mouth interfere less and at least make
singing possible while wearing them.

Fixed braces interfere much less than Removables because the tongue can
reach all of the normal positions and there's not a bunch of plastic
changing the shape of your mouth.  I'm not too sure about beat boxing as I
didn't do any lip-intensive work when I had fixed installed.  They
certainly change the shapes that your lips are able to take up because they
take up space in front of the teeth, so some adaptation would be required.
 They'll also change the air flow somewhat so again this will change
things.  Whether it will be a deal-breaker I don't know, but I expect you'd
be able to work around it with practice.  It also depends on the holders
being used for the train tracks and how neatly it's done at the back.  I've
had braces that didn't allow me to rapidly and repeatedly go from "smile"
to "ooo" and back without lacerating the insides of my cheeks, which would
mess with your bass and snare recording I think!

What work are you having done exactly?  Expanding the palate while
straightening the teeth?  That's generally pretty safe but takes time.

I'm on my second round of orthodontics after work I had done in my teens
destroyed my health for the next 20 years.  What I've learned is: don't
trust any dentist who regards removing teeth as anything other than an
absolute last resort.  The extraction school of dentistry is responsible
for our health epidemics in the forms of ME, CFS, MS, IBS, IBD, chronic
headaches etc because they make more money from surgeries than looking
after teeth.

Akraf



On 31 Jul 2012, at 00:25, Rob Jellinghaus <rjellinghaus@gmail.com> wrote:

I hope this isn't tooooo off-topic for this list, but this is one of the
relatively few lists that can understand my specific concern!

First, my looper cred:  I've been working on a Kinect-based live-looping
project named Holofunk (http://robjsoftware.org/2011/09/21/holofunk-lives/).
After demoing it a fair bit this summer I've concluded that I have a few
key features to finish if I'm going to make it really performance-worthy.
I corresponded with Rick about this year's looper festival in Santa Cruz,
but concluded I'm not ready to do a half-hour show yet, and won't be by
October; so I decided to pass on it this year.

Which is all fine -- I'm definitely making progress on those features --
but: I also have been diagnosed as needing braces.  I'll have to have them
for about two years.  Teenager at age 43, that's me.

I would *like* to come play at *next* year's looper festival, because I'll
definitely be ready by then :-)  But now I'm nervous that braces will make
beatboxing -- something I want to learn to do much better -- either
uncomfortable, or bad-sounding (due to weird tooth-to-lip interference), or
both.

Am I just making this concern up?  Or do braces actually genuinely affect
the ability to beatbox and do other lip-intensive kinds of singing?  I am
pretty sure I will get them this year either way (got to get it over
with...), but I just want to know what to mentally prepare myself for.

Anyone been in this situation?  What was your experience?

Net surfing anecdotes vary, which is why I'm looking for more first-hand
input.

Thanks for your patience with my left-field issue :-)
Cheers,
Rob

-- 
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types used may change several times in the course of treatment.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Removable braces interfere with all types of singing to=
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installed. =A0They certainly change the shapes that your lips are able to t=
ake up because they take up space in front of the teeth, so some adaptation=
 would be required. =A0They&#39;ll also change the air flow somewhat so aga=
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It also depends on the holders being used for the train tracks and how neat=
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me to rapidly and repeatedly go from &quot;smile&quot; to &quot;ooo&quot; a=
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your bass and snare recording I think!</div>
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but takes time.</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m on my second round of orth=
odontics after work I had done in my teens destroyed my health for the next=
 20 years. =A0What I&#39;ve learned is: don&#39;t trust any dentist who reg=
ards removing teeth as anything other than an absolute last resort. =A0The =
extraction school of dentistry is responsible for our health epidemics in t=
he forms of ME, CFS, MS, IBS, IBD, chronic headaches etc because they make =
more money from surgeries than looking after teeth.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Akraf<br><br><div><br></div></div><div><br>On 31 Jul 20=
12, at 00:25, Rob Jellinghaus &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rjellinghaus@gmail.com"=
>rjellinghaus@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">
<div><div>I hope this isn&#39;t tooooo off-topic for this list, but this is=
 one of the relatively few lists that can understand my specific concern!</=
div><div>=A0</div><div>First, my looper cred:=A0 I&#39;ve been working on a=
 Kinect-based live-looping project named Holofunk (<a href=3D"http://robjso=
ftware.org/2011/09/21/holofunk-lives/">http://robjsoftware.org/2011/09/21/h=
olofunk-lives/</a>).=A0 After demoing it a fair bit this summer I&#39;ve co=
ncluded that I have a few key features to finish if I&#39;m going to make i=
t really performance-worthy.=A0 I corresponded with Rick about this year&#3=
9;s looper festival in Santa Cruz, but concluded I&#39;m not ready to do a =
half-hour show yet, and won&#39;t be by October; so I decided to pass on it=
 this year.</div>

<div>=A0</div><div>Which is all fine -- I&#39;m definitely making progress =
on those features -- but: I also have been diagnosed as needing braces.=A0 =
I&#39;ll have to have them for about two years.=A0 Teenager at age 43, that=
&#39;s me.</div>

<div>=A0</div><div>I would <em>like</em> to come play at <em>next</em> year=
&#39;s looper festival, because I&#39;ll definitely be ready by then=A0:-)=
=A0 But now I&#39;m nervous that braces will make beatboxing -- something I=
 want to learn to do much better --=A0either uncomfortable, or bad-sounding=
 (due to weird tooth-to-lip interference), or both.</div>

<div>=A0</div><div>Am I just making this concern up?=A0 Or do braces actual=
ly genuinely affect the ability to beatbox and do other lip-intensive kinds=
 of singing?=A0 I am pretty sure I will get them this year either way (got =
to get it over with...), but I just want to know what to mentally prepare m=
yself for.</div>

<div>=A0</div><div>Anyone been in this situation?=A0 What was your experien=
ce?=A0 </div><div>=A0</div><div>Net surfing anecdotes vary, which is why I&=
#39;m looking for more first-hand input.</div><div>=A0</div><div>Thanks for=
 your patience with my left-field issue :-)<br>

Cheers,<br>Rob<br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Check my blog --&gt; <a href=3D"=
http://robjsoftware.org">http://robjsoftware.org</a><br>
</div>
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this summer i haven't listened to much of my music.
early summer i did get out some of myold stuff from like 10 yrs ago and
listened...
whew i thought the stuff was CRAP (mostly)...
and i haven't recorded anything in awhile...been trying to decide on my
setup and debating a purchase...
but in the last week w/ the adding of my old DL8 to my setup again, i may
start...
during the school yr when i was working, i did a lot of recording stuff to
my little handheld tascam recorder
and listen to the stuff nonstop before work....it's all the stuff up on my
soundclick page...mostly short loop
improvs....
although i do think listening tothe old stuff is good...for me it shows
that i think i've grown and changed...

i should add that also at the beginning of the summer i rewatched one of my
old vids that i made for
our local Public Access tv (stuff from 04-05), it was my 4 space rack
years-my budget david torn setup i called it...i will
say that there were sounds i was getting that i can't duplicate anymore
just based on the gear....that was
a surprise...and at time i do miss that setup....but onwards and upwards
hopefully...oh well...
s---

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<div>this summer i haven&#39;t listened to much of my music.</div><div>earl=
y summer i did get out some of myold stuff from like 10 yrs ago and listene=
d...</div><div>whew i thought the stuff was CRAP (mostly)...</div><div>and =
i haven&#39;t recorded anything in awhile...been trying to decide on my set=
up and debating a purchase...</div>
<div>but in the last week w/ the adding of my old DL8 to my setup again, i =
may start...</div><div>during the school yr when i was working, i did a lot=
 of recording stuff to my little handheld tascam recorder</div><div>and lis=
ten to the stuff nonstop before work....it&#39;s all the stuff up on my sou=
ndclick page...mostly short loop</div>
<div>improvs....</div><div>although i do think listening tothe old stuff is=
 good...for me it shows that i think i&#39;ve grown and changed...</div><di=
v>=A0</div><div>i should add that also at the beginning of the summer i rew=
atched one of my old vids that i made for</div>
<div>our local Public Access tv (stuff from 04-05), it was my 4 space rack =
years-my budget david torn setup i called it...i will</div><div>say that th=
ere were sounds i was getting that i can&#39;t duplicate anymore just based=
 on the gear....that was</div>
<div>a surprise...and at time i do miss that setup....but onwards and upwar=
ds hopefully...oh well...</div><div>s---</div>

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good for you people who can listen to their own music. I have never been able to. my music does not like digital or ipods,itunes, recordings or ear buds or anything to do w/ modern technology-but I don't mind-because its the 'live' thing thats gives me and my music life! ymmv
http://stanosaur.com/






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this summer i haven't listened to much of my music.early summer i did get out some of myold stuff from like 10 yrs ago and listened...whew i thought the stuff was CRAP (mostly)...and i haven't recorded anything in awhile...been trying to decide on my setup and debating a purchase...
but in the last week w/ the adding of my old DL8 to my setup again, i may start...during the school yr when i was working, i did a lot of recording stuff to my little handheld tascam recorderand listen to the stuff nonstop before work....it's all the stuff up on my soundclick page...mostly short loop
improvs....although i do think listening tothe old stuff is good...for me it shows that i think i've grown and changed... i should add that also at the beginning of the summer i rewatched one of my old vids that i made for
our local Public Access tv (stuff from 04-05), it was my 4 space rack years-my budget david torn setup i called it...i willsay that there were sounds i was getting that i can't duplicate anymore just based on the gear....that was
a surprise...and at time i do miss that setup....but onwards and upwards hopefully...oh well...s---

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Thanks all, I will start checking these out :)


On Jul 30, 2012, at 3:26 AM, Per Boysen wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Phil Clevenger
> <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
>> What VST delay plug ins are you using and loving?
> 
> 
> Two of my fav's are already mentioned: FabFilter Timeless 2 and
> SoundToys Echoboy (also great for "vintage reverb").
> 
> My third favorite delay is the Tape Delay found in Logic and
> Mainstage. The cool thing is its nice emulation of tape speed switch
> noise. Timeless 2 also has that BTW, but not so simple and sexy as the
> Tape Delay plugin. Too bad it is not a separate plugin and only found
> as part of Logic and Mainstage. I think though, that you should be
> able to set up a similar tape speed noise dub thing with Augustus
> Loop. I don't use Augustus in general, as I do with the one mentioned
> above, but for specific tasks where I know that "this thing I want
> here is a typical case for Augustus". I kind of use Augustus more as a
> looper than for delay effect processing.
> 
> For my kind of live looping I like a delay with such speed shift noise
> emulations because when I change the tempo, while playing, all such
> delays scream and whine in a lovely way.
> 
> Since you are using Ableton Live I must say that I like its Ping Pong
> Delay as well! Especially since it has a filter that you can set to
> sweep a bit by some LFO control routing. For dub feel tweaking one can
> set Live's Return Track (that hosts the Ping Pong Delay) to Send into
> itself. But be careful not to go into feedback hell. Better slap a
> limiter or compressor into the loop. No fancy rubberband feel of tape
> speed noise here, but thanks to the filter in the signal path you can
> create "climbing shimmer" delays that add a new dimension to your
> music (I often do the filter-climb trick with Tape Delay and Echoboy
> too).
> 
> Greetings from Sweden
> 
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.com
> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
> 

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hehe...in my case, the first time I dropped in here, I also was below 25 (ba=
ck in '97).

Boy, that was a long time ago...

Am 31.07.2012 um 03:27 schrieb michael noble <looplog@gmail.com>:

> How about a "once was young" looper? I was going over the archives and rea=
lized I was 25 when I joined the list in 2001.=20

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> What VST delay plug ins are you using and loving?
> 
As nobody else has mentioned this: OhmBoyz Delay. Huge fun as delays go.

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I'm 27, I suppose that makes me young!  I first browsed the archives 6 or 7 
years ago and joined the list maybe 18 months ago.  I've been loopy, so to 
speak, since I was about 20.

--On 31 July 2012 11:56 +0200 Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill 
<moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote:

> hehe...in my case, the first time I dropped in here, I also was below 25
> (back in '97).
>
> Boy, that was a long time ago...
>
> Am 31.07.2012 um 03:27 schrieb michael noble <looplog@gmail.com>:
>
>> How about a "once was young" looper? I was going over the archives and
>> realized I was 25 when I joined the list in 2001.
>




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Nice suggestions guys, I'm gonna check them out :) I've always liked
the simple, but lovely sounding Mdsp @ Smartelectronix Analog Delay
that I will use in combination with reverb effects and my looper:

http://mdsp.smartelectronix.com/analog-delay/

Summer Greetings from
torbenscharling.com

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar
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>> What VST delay plug ins are you using and loving?

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Am 31.07.2012 01:25, schrieb Rob Jellinghaus:
> First, my looper cred:  I've been working on a Kinect-based 
> live-looping project named Holofunk 
> (http://robjsoftware.org/2011/09/21/holofunk-lives/). After demoing it 
> a fair bit this summer I've concluded that I
Is there a single beatboxer who when doing a demo video does NOT start 
to do homophonic harmonies?

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Hi Simeon,=0ADoes the AXE fxII it have effects such the univibe and auto vo=
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ht.com =0ASent: Monday, July 30, 2012 8:43 PM=0ASubject: Re: The looper in =
AxeFx II=0A =0Ai'll answer that if you like. the axe fx II is a completely =
different=0Adesign - it uses two tigersharc chips instead of one and one of=
 them=0Ais dedicated solely to the amp modelling. the fx are almost the sam=
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etter than in the ultra....the II has a tape delay (with the ability=0Ato a=
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ower and is therefore more realistic. you can take an=0Aimpulse response of=
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 (like the kemper)=0Awe're just about to get firmware 7 for the II, which w=
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types.=0Athe reverb block has also been totally rewritten (and sounds amazi=
ng)=0Aif you're looking for an effects processor and don't need the amp=0Am=
odelling, then i would have said the ultra would probably be the way=0Ato g=
o, but the gap is widening with every firmware update=0A=0Asim=0A=0AOn Mon,=
 Jul 30, 2012 at 7:30 PM, Laurie Amat <voicesound@att.net> wrote:=0A> Hi Pe=
r,=0A>=0A> Since you know so much about this all, can you tell me the diffe=
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</span></div><div><span>Does the AXE fxII it have effects such the univibe =
and auto volume as well?</span></div><div><span>also any of you M9 expert u=
sers out there could the M9 be used as a midi foot controller for the AXe F=
X?</span></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom<b=
r></div>  <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, seri=
f; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york,=
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></b> Simeon Harris &lt;simeonharris40@googlemail.com&gt;<br> <b><span styl=
e=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=
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0, 2012 8:43
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ooper in AxeFx II<br> </font> </div> <br>i'll answer that if you like. the =
axe fx II is a completely different<br>design - it uses two tigersharc chip=
s instead of one and one of them<br>is dedicated solely to the amp modellin=
g. the fx are almost the same,<br>with a few notable exceptions - the rotar=
y block in the II is much<br>better than in the ultra....the II has a tape =
delay (with the ability<br>to alter tape speed)....and more drive types and=
 more amp types. the<br>amp modelling has been totally re-written for the I=
I, uses much more<br>processing power and is therefore more realistic. you =
can take an<br>impulse response of any guitar cabinet and also tone match a=
ny guitar<br>tone and match any amp (like the kemper)<br>we're just about t=
o get firmware 7 for the II, which will include<br>updates to the preamp mo=
delling, more effects and more drive types.<br>the reverb block has
 also been totally rewritten (and sounds amazing)<br>if you're looking for =
an effects processor and don't need the amp<br>modelling, then i would have=
 said the ultra would probably be the way<br>to go, but the gap is widening=
 with every firmware update<br><br>sim<br><br>On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 7:30 =
PM, Laurie Amat &lt;<a ymailto=3D"mailto:voicesound@att.net" href=3D"mailto=
:voicesound@att.net">voicesound@att.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; Hi Per,<br>&=
gt;<br>&gt; Since you know so much about this all, can you tell me the diff=
erence between the Axe FX II and the Axe FX Ultra?<br><br><br><br> </div> <=
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wow yes impressive for a multieffector,you could actually get rid of your M=
9;-)=0A=0A=C2=A0=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A___________=
_____________________=0A From: Ricky Graham <rickygrahammusic@gmail.com>=0A=
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Monday, July 30, 2012 7:50=
 PM=0ASubject: Re: The looper in AxeFx II=0A =0ADub mix and threshold are a=
 nice touch!=0A=0ARicky=0A=0AOn Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Per Boysen <=
perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:=0A> Hi,=0A>=0A> I just was surprised reading ab=
out what a nice looper comes as part of=0A> the guitar amp Fractal Audio Sy=
stems Axe Fx II. See for yourself in=0A> the manual quote below:=0A>=0A>=0A=
> The Axe-Fx has a full-featured Looper which allows you to create=0A> mult=
i-layered performances in real time. The=0A> maximum loop time varies from =
15 to 60 seconds, depending on your=0A> choices for mono/stereo/undo.=0A>=
=0A> Looper functions can be operated from the Axe-Fx front panel, or=0A> r=
emotely via MIDI. Looper CC# assignments appear on the CONTROL page=0A> of =
the I/O menu=0A>=0A> Looper Basic Controls=0A> RECORD =E2=80=93 When you pr=
ess RECORD, the Looper starts recording (if you=0A> hadn=E2=80=99t guessed =
as much we have to wonder...) Here=E2=80=99s something that=E2=80=99s=0A> n=
ot as obvious: press record again to stop recording and instantly=0A> start=
=0A> playback. This prevents you needing to hunt around for more than one=
=0A> footswitch to start a loop. If the record length reaches the maximum=
=0A> allowed for the current mode, recording will end and playback will=0A>=
 stop automatically.=0A>=0A> PLAY =E2=80=93 This switch has two functions: =
use it to stop recording and=0A> begin playback, or use it to instantly sto=
p playback that is already=0A> rolling. A momentary switch can be assigned =
to PLAY for stutter=0A> effects.=0A>=0A> ONCE =E2=80=93 Toggles =E2=80=9Cau=
to-stop at loop-end,=E2=80=9D so that if playback is=0A> running, the loope=
r will stop automatically when it reaches the end of=0A> the loop. If playb=
ack is already stopped, ONCE will start playback,=0A> play through the loop=
 and then stop. You cannot go directly from=0A> RECORD to ONCE.=0A>=0A> STA=
CK =E2=80=93 Overdubs audio on an existing loop. Pressing it again stops=0A=
> the addition but playback continues. Existing audio is faded every=0A> ti=
me through the loop based on the setting of the DUB MIX parameter on=0A> th=
e Looper=E2=80=99s MIX page.=0A>=0A> UNDO =E2=80=93 This removes the most r=
ecently recorded overdub. Undo removes a=0A> given =E2=80=9Ctake,=E2=80=9D =
defined as everything between when you pressed STACK to=0A> start overdub r=
ecording and when you turned it off.=0A>=0A> REV =E2=80=93 Pressing this re=
verses the direction of the Looper. Playback and=0A> STACK recording are su=
pported.=0A>=0A> HALF =E2=80=93 Slows the Looper=E2=80=99s speed to half. P=
layback and normal or=0A> overdub recording are supported at half speed. Fo=
r double speed=0A> playback, record in half speed and then switch back to n=
ormal. Note:=0A> Halving the speed slightly reduces high-end frequency resp=
onse.=0A> Each Axe-Fx II preset can use one Looper block. Looper Advanced C=
ontrols=0A>=0A> MODE =E2=80=93 Selects the Looper mode, determining mono/st=
ereo, looper=0A> length, and undo. Whenever you change the mode, the looper=
 memory will=0A> be entirely cleared.=0A>=0A> MONO =E2=80=93 Recording and =
playback are in mono. Maximum loop length is 60=0A> seconds. Undo is not po=
ssible.=0A>=0A> STEREO =E2=80=93 Recording and playback are in stereo. Maxi=
mum loop length is=0A> 30 seconds. Undo is not possible. MONO UNDO =E2=80=
=93 Recording and playback=0A> are in mono. Maximum loop length is 30 secon=
ds. Undo works.=0A>=0A> STEREO UNDO =E2=80=93 Recording and playback are in=
 mono. Maximum loop length=0A> is 60 seconds. Undo works.=0A>=0A> QUANT =E2=
=80=93 With quantize enabled, loop length is perfectly set to some=0A> whol=
e number of beats) with reference to the pulses of the Axe-Fx=0A> GLOBAL TE=
MPO (see p. 146)).=0A>=0A> THRSH =E2=80=93 The Axe-Fx Looper can start reco=
rding automatically when the=0A> input exceeds a set level. Turn this featu=
re ON or OFF using this=0A> parameter.=0A>=0A> THRSH LEVEL =E2=80=93 This s=
ets the level which must be exceeded at the input=0A> of the Looper for rec=
ording to start automatically.=0A>=0A> DUB MIX =E2=80=93 Actually located o=
n the Looper=E2=80=99s MIX page, this determines=0A> how much layers are re=
duced when you STACK new layers. If you never=0A> want old layers to decay,=
 set this to 100%, but be aware that adding=0A> additional layers in this w=
ay can result in excessive signal and=0A> clipping.=0A>=0A> Looper Mix Para=
meters=0A> The Looper has a MIX page with LEVEL, BALANCE, and BYPASS MODE p=
arameters.=0A>=0A> Greetings from Sweden=0A>=0A> Per Boysen=0A> www.perboys=
en.com=0A> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen=0A>
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>wow yes im=
pressive for a multieffector,you could actually get rid of your M9;-)<br></=
span></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom<br></=
div>  <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; f=
ont-size: 12pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, tim=
es, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font face=3D"Arial" size=
=3D"2"> <hr size=3D"1">  <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span><=
/b> Ricky Graham &lt;rickygrahammusic@gmail.com&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"f=
ont-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com <br> =
<b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, July 30, 201=
2 7:50 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re:=
 The looper in AxeFx II<br> </font> </div> <br>Dub mix and threshold are a =
nice
 touch!<br><br>Ricky<br><br>On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Per Boysen &l=
t;<a ymailto=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com" href=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmail.=
com">perboysen@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; Hi,<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I just =
was surprised reading about what a nice looper comes as part of<br>&gt; the=
 guitar amp Fractal Audio Systems Axe Fx II. See for yourself in<br>&gt; th=
e manual quote below:<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; The Axe-Fx has a full-feature=
d Looper which allows you to create<br>&gt; multi-layered performances in r=
eal time. The<br>&gt; maximum loop time varies from 15 to 60 seconds, depen=
ding on your<br>&gt; choices for mono/stereo/undo.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Looper f=
unctions can be operated from the Axe-Fx front panel, or<br>&gt; remotely v=
ia MIDI. Looper CC# assignments appear on the CONTROL page<br>&gt; of the I=
/O menu<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Looper Basic Controls<br>&gt; RECORD =E2=80=93 When=
 you press RECORD, the Looper starts recording (if you<br>&gt; hadn=E2=80=
=99t
 guessed as much we have to wonder...) Here=E2=80=99s something that=E2=80=
=99s<br>&gt; not as obvious: press record again to stop recording and insta=
ntly<br>&gt; start<br>&gt; playback. This prevents you needing to hunt arou=
nd for more than one<br>&gt; footswitch to start a loop. If the record leng=
th reaches the maximum<br>&gt; allowed for the current mode, recording will=
 end and playback will<br>&gt; stop automatically.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; PLAY =E2=
=80=93 This switch has two functions: use it to stop recording and<br>&gt; =
begin playback, or use it to instantly stop playback that is already<br>&gt=
; rolling. A momentary switch can be assigned to PLAY for stutter<br>&gt; e=
ffects.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; ONCE =E2=80=93 Toggles =E2=80=9Cauto-stop at loop-e=
nd,=E2=80=9D so that if playback is<br>&gt; running, the looper will stop a=
utomatically when it reaches the end of<br>&gt; the loop. If playback is al=
ready stopped, ONCE will start playback,<br>&gt; play through the loop and =
then stop. You cannot go
 directly from<br>&gt; RECORD to ONCE.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; STACK =E2=80=93 Over=
dubs audio on an existing loop. Pressing it again stops<br>&gt; the additio=
n but playback continues. Existing audio is faded every<br>&gt; time throug=
h the loop based on the setting of the DUB MIX parameter on<br>&gt; the Loo=
per=E2=80=99s MIX page.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; UNDO =E2=80=93 This removes the mos=
t recently recorded overdub. Undo removes a<br>&gt; given =E2=80=9Ctake,=E2=
=80=9D defined as everything between when you pressed STACK to<br>&gt; star=
t overdub recording and when you turned it off.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; REV =E2=80=
=93 Pressing this reverses the direction of the Looper. Playback and<br>&gt=
; STACK recording are supported.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; HALF =E2=80=93 Slows the L=
ooper=E2=80=99s speed to half. Playback and normal or<br>&gt; overdub recor=
ding are supported at half speed. For double speed<br>&gt; playback, record=
 in half speed and then switch back to normal. Note:<br>&gt; Halving the sp=
eed slightly reduces high-end frequency
 response.<br>&gt; Each Axe-Fx II preset can use one Looper block. Looper A=
dvanced Controls<br>&gt;<br>&gt; MODE =E2=80=93 Selects the Looper mode, de=
termining mono/stereo, looper<br>&gt; length, and undo. Whenever you change=
 the mode, the looper memory will<br>&gt; be entirely cleared.<br>&gt;<br>&=
gt; MONO =E2=80=93 Recording and playback are in mono. Maximum loop length =
is 60<br>&gt; seconds. Undo is not possible.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; STEREO =E2=80=
=93 Recording and playback are in stereo. Maximum loop length is<br>&gt; 30=
 seconds. Undo is not possible. MONO UNDO =E2=80=93 Recording and playback<=
br>&gt; are in mono. Maximum loop length is 30 seconds. Undo works.<br>&gt;=
<br>&gt; STEREO UNDO =E2=80=93 Recording and playback are in mono. Maximum =
loop length<br>&gt; is 60 seconds. Undo works.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; QUANT =E2=80=
=93 With quantize enabled, loop length is perfectly set to some<br>&gt; who=
le number of beats) with reference to the pulses of the Axe-Fx<br>&gt; GLOB=
AL TEMPO (see p.
 146)).<br>&gt;<br>&gt; THRSH =E2=80=93 The Axe-Fx Looper can start recordi=
ng automatically when the<br>&gt; input exceeds a set level. Turn this feat=
ure ON or OFF using this<br>&gt; parameter.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; THRSH LEVEL =E2=
=80=93 This sets the level which must be exceeded at the input<br>&gt; of t=
he Looper for recording to start automatically.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; DUB MIX =E2=
=80=93 Actually located on the Looper=E2=80=99s MIX page, this determines<b=
r>&gt; how much layers are reduced when you STACK new layers. If you never<=
br>&gt; want old layers to decay, set this to 100%, but be aware that addin=
g<br>&gt; additional layers in this way can result in excessive signal and<=
br>&gt; clipping.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Looper Mix Parameters<br>&gt; The Looper =
has a MIX page with LEVEL, BALANCE, and BYPASS MODE parameters.<br>&gt;<br>=
&gt; Greetings from Sweden<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Per Boysen<br>&gt; www.perboysen=
.com<br>&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/perboysen"
 target=3D"_blank">http://www.youtube.com/perboysen</a><br>&gt;<br><br><br>=
<br> </div> </div>  </div></body></html>
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I've got a few noisy tracks I'd like to clean up, and have not had much fun 
trying it through Reaper.  I used Cool Edit's NR/detection for years until 
it wouldn't run any longer.  Its NR was wonderful!  Is there a VST out there 
that comes close?  Thanks.

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On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:33 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <
moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Is there a single beatboxer who when doing a demo video does NOT start to
>> do homophonic harmonies?
>
>
Yes.  A friend of mine played with my looper and did all this awesome
ambient stuff that would never have occurred to me.  I know I have a lot of
Bobby McFerrin in my skull and it keeps wanting to get out.

But this is actually a very interesting question.  How do you get out of a
musical "rut"?  I keep finding myself making relatively similar
improvisations.  On the one hand, I feel I should just do what comes
naturally, since it's an expression of my musical instinct -- and I need
practice at *everything* I do with looping-wise.  But on the other hand,
harmonies are very easily overdone and there is an infinity of other
possibilities.

What do you all do to crack yourselves out of making your old familiar type
of music?

Cheers,
Rob

(p.s. I don't really mean the subject line -- I will always love homophonic
harmony madly -- but it should add some energy to the thread ;-)

-- 
Check my blog --> http://robjsoftware.org

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:33 AM, Rainer Theloniu=
s Balthasar Straschill <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:moinsound@go=
oglemail.com" target=3D"_blank">moinsound@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wro=
te:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-=
color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im"><blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px =
0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width=
:1px;border-left-style:solid" class=3D"gmail_quote">
Is there a single beatboxer who when doing a demo video does NOT start to d=
o homophonic harmonies?

</blockquote></div></blockquote></div><div><br>Yes.=A0 A friend of mine pla=
yed with my looper and did all this awesome ambient stuff that would never =
have occurred to me.=A0 I know I have a lot of Bobby McFerrin in my skull a=
nd it keeps wanting to get out.</div>
<div><br>But this is actually a very interesting question.=A0 How do you ge=
t out of a musical &quot;rut&quot;?=A0 I keep finding myself making relativ=
ely similar improvisations.=A0 On the one hand, I feel I should just do wha=
t comes naturally, since it&#39;s an expression of my musical instinct -- a=
nd I need practice at <em>everything</em> I do with looping-wise.=A0 But on=
 the other hand, harmonies are very easily overdone and there is an infinit=
y of other possibilities.</div>
<div>=A0</div><div>What do you all do to crack yourselves out of making you=
r old familiar type of music?</div><div>=A0</div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Rob=
</div><div>=A0</div><div>(p.s. I don&#39;t really mean the subject line -- =
I will always love homophonic harmony madly --=A0but it should add some ene=
rgy to the thread ;-)<br clear=3D"all">
<br>-- <br>Check my blog --&gt; <a href=3D"http://robjsoftware.org">http://=
robjsoftware.org</a><br>
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>Yes.=20A=20friend=20of=20mine=20played=20with=20my=20looper=20and=20did=20=
all=20this=20awesome=20ambient=20
>stuff=20that=20would=20never=20have=20occurred=20to=20me.=20I=20know=20I=
=20have=20a=20lot=20of=20Bobby=20
>McFerrin=20in=20my=20skull=20and=20it=20keeps=20wanting=20to=20get=20out.
>But=20this=20is=20actually=20a=20very=20interesting=20question.=20How=20do=
=20you=20get=20out=20of=20a=20
>musical=20"rut"?=20I=20keep=20finding=20myself=20making=20relatively=20sim=
ilar=20improvisations.=20
>On=20the=20one=20hand,=20I=20feel=20I=20should=20just=20do=20what=20comes=
=20naturally,=20since=20it's=20an=20
>expression=20of=20my=20musical=20instinct=20--=20and=20I=20need=20practice=
=20at=20everything=20I=20do=20
>with=20looping-wise.=20But=20on=20the=20other=20hand,=20harmonies=20are=20=
very=20easily=20overdone=20
>and=20there=20is=20an=20infinity=20of=20other=20possibilities.

>What=20do=20you=20all=20do=20to=20crack=20yourselves=20out=20of=20making=
=20your=20old=20familiar=20type=20of=20
>music?

>Cheers,
>Rob

>(p.s.=20I=20don't=20really=20mean=20the=20subject=20line=20--=20I=20will=
=20always=20love=20homophonic=20
>harmony=20madly=20--but=20it=20should=20add=20some=20energy=20to=20the=20t=
hread=20;-)
>--=20
>Check=20my=20blog=20-->=20http://robjsoftware.org


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