From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 07:03:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23E3F183478; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 07:03:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=0Vnw7W4zA5ctXuu8TWdSzBPG/ZAzbj0J0S6SUR4pbfw=; b=wHyZQiYc25ErjUG4dFR2/skn24keZkJ5EKOeZX0aK5SBqBU6fHgIUaypR+GdCfm3mj SLItN2w6LO+58EttE0sgkXvPVh4ZImnMHx67MTlpxKIYpxRn2CReSTiJmEVOJKXFFVEF L+Sb0WPO0hsLjhwQaL+xwSiC05zOQMCct67AL8OX/3+4Toh1QYrKxNercIwJ+768H66N yH3IGOVFTK+cDrDbuTJmNaAGH/T4Hygb95n3eCn/M+XKj5gROct7V0YhIfYpuxVtFcD4 YkqeL+Fg5FI1S6/vMZg2zDTcRvMnVTEnQJcJonVphbIrxPSwmxUpf/9YhpAERF+2fFOZ 37uQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <85D1AA4F-837C-4C82-9770-91F7653131AD@gmail.com> References: <85D1AA4F-837C-4C82-9770-91F7653131AD@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 00:03:08 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New looping video up. From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0444038415556904c3bf466d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 07:03:09 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0444038415556904c3bf466d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thank you much appreciated :D On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Philip wrote: > That was really nice! > > > On Jun 30, 2012, at 1:23 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > > Give me your thoughts on it. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2QjVaEP2vM&feature=youtube_gdata_player > > > --f46d0444038415556904c3bf466d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you much appreciated :D

On Sat, Jun= 30, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Philip <philip.ojc@gmail.com> wrote= :
That was= really nice!


On Jun 30,= 2012, at 1:23 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote:

Give me your thoughts on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dh2QjVaEP2vM&= amp;feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_player



--f46d0444038415556904c3bf466d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 12:21:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 362E6183473; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 12:21:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=W/SLiTEHmnmSpiemx7Erxju2ntRFJFOVQxIyTojJ4oI=; b=Jn590eSCFfl2iUaT0hWWIOvLiqGH9gMWK58PscU/x4J/ieglW0ZdyReqyVahdsIZ3x QNQ0nujY0VlZ6kgj6f/NqYzDO1EPh4fxqj0lH6g+rjIdDjpD04KABxNx8KOIJO7mvdt6 0PbHi9OO+mQ6NHzoS0fHziMLufqQUUNN3VRQkYJvh00is+YU4qBc7GYX5QIY9+0246tJ kR2y7mzA8bsa3yv7xH8iQrvlSAv0B+ejhrO2taoMGp8O0QCot9pZaEi6d5KWGUyZAtYV tj0jWeIIdQ290q4RzGJ4xiQrRjV0/2RY2moYtKTyG5NZr6ZSeawq0g9n27uPaNeBZqQg Lzig== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 05:21:06 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: FL Studio Producer Edition has been purchased! From: "kay'lon rushing" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0442846635f4ed04c3c3b7f6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 12:21:08 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0442846635f4ed04c3c3b7f6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Finaly got around to upgrading FL Studio. My wallet hurts right now :-S I hope this was worth doing. I hope I will have the discipline to continue live looping now that i have performance/clip launching mode to use for non-looping performances. Whish me luck! --f46d0442846635f4ed04c3c3b7f6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Finaly got around to upgrading FL Studio. My wallet hurts right now :-S = I hope this was worth doing. I hope I will have the discipline to continue = live looping now that i have performance/clip launching mode to use for non= -looping performances. Whish me luck!

--f46d0442846635f4ed04c3c3b7f6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 12:21:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 367E318347F; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 12:21:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=3LxiyF4j7Y4zyQKQ1e72tm1i3ig9zbtZR4JVo+3smQk=; b=qvOgKpScnXe3LaZ3O6VTJiBZrWe004jeNCRptvdfDQ7Z/jx5IvNmRmzldK/6fRdIlq M4UetUSfvwcN6ynTNEpSMjhF1HCshUH4ya9Me/V9kqziDXK8g/QMcAHo7nttNDWzRYtu 7haXZBwsli3LQ2hn1jH/UvMglEsLIJbFlFwoY7LwQFmLBVc650J93TN0LHz5i4J9cRvq tLL+09w3DCJmPXC4bySsCJ+Q2mhmZU8xZyX/z4WOkF2Ka7p/LkDi2/mlZaBk2FpvTNhw H009WsyGV1JAI+KHzeHQ55XY75FfG0GiMZ3iqtOB2tErc/Ul81Gpc3Qdbxgv2KlNOkYX IYoA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 05:21:30 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FL Studio Producer Edition has been purchased! From: "kay'lon rushing" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f234d099c043c04c3c3b80b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 12:21:31 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f234d099c043c04c3c3b80b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Wish* On Jul 1, 2012 5:21 AM, "kay'lon rushing" wrote: > Finaly got around to upgrading FL Studio. My wallet hurts right now :-S I > hope this was worth doing. I hope I will have the discipline to continue > live looping now that i have performance/clip launching mode to use for > non-looping performances. Whish me luck! > --e89a8f234d099c043c04c3c3b80b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Wish*

On Jul 1, 2012 5:21 AM, "kay'lon rushin= g" <k3zz21@gmail.com> wr= ote:

Finaly got around to upgrading FL Studio. My wallet hurts right now :-S = I hope this was worth doing. I hope I will have the discipline to continue = live looping now that i have performance/clip launching mode to use for non= -looping performances. Whish me luck!

--e89a8f234d099c043c04c3c3b80b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 17:40:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5251918347F; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 17:40:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=SI6BXxxt7m182mAOlXGIsoI9KXFX/I/Z8iKcZyVURXg= c=1 sm=2 a=dFbYLQqG7voA:10 a=agWTFdhlyG4A:10 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=OUXYneDTAAAA:8 a=BLW_UW0LW6cBTt5kSqkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=053Au2P4wpAA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 X-Telus-Outbound-IP: 64.180.193.7 From: richard sales Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--67529569 Subject: Re: FL Studio Producer Edition has been purchased! Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 10:40:06 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <-VgQGB.A.bK.FuI8PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 17:40:21 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--67529569 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii When the Muse says GO, go. Sometimes She directs us via technology.=20 I NEVER EVER refuse the Muse nowadays.=20 When younger, yes... and I paid big. In my experience, concepts can be = impediments and detours in disguise. Follow the butterfly. =20 Caveat - just an old man's opinion! richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.goodnaturefarms.com On Jul 1, 2012, at 5:21 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > Finaly got around to upgrading FL Studio. My wallet hurts right now = :-S I hope this was worth doing. I hope I will have the discipline to = continue live looping now that i have performance/clip launching mode to = use for non-looping performances. Whish me luck! >=20 --Apple-Mail-1--67529569 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii When = the Muse says GO, go.

Sometimes She directs us via = technology. 

I NEVER EVER refuse the Muse = nowadays. 

When younger, yes... and I paid = big.  In my experience, concepts can be impediments and detours in = disguise.

Follow the butterfly. =  

Caveat - just an old man's = opinion!

richard sales
<= font class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#908E38">www.richardsales.com
= www.goodnaturefarms.com=











On Jul 1, 2012, at 5:21 AM, kay'lon rushing = wrote:

Finaly got around to upgrading FL Studio. My wallet = hurts right now :-S I hope this was worth doing. I hope I will have the = discipline to continue live looping now that i have performance/clip = launching mode to use for non-looping performances. Whish me luck!


= --Apple-Mail-1--67529569-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 22:08:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 066A0183489; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 22:08:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=M5cgq6AZc91vh+GLDKxv9dKfQZd5XbTnJmPipDc6l0U=; b=qbBL/tm4hoGKzip8Yn852uGkywVbTDfZCeUp/W3Xg+M7TWNdHsh11Ndd/n1i1EU9Wf 3WmSlwRzn+2SeZf+v8GCabHcvH9kjSp0CAxEC9Bpy+sb0dXBDfkIfskuhgMyt0tGnexa +Gp/LT3PpPYQevnBdnlFOK6xL+VuZAjXChZeVM6zYRmTJtZfJWTqMFiw9an7nw3FKy+5 2uUbXghzbATtw0rAMAUTYYynqvLxek3iQwyQWIs2qJboNV2+YyQUyBi/aNctWSNlOmXm 5tRUfLUt8PCPsEsoGRhg2nB6X60e3X78T/g0uSpeMmS20GCQ/EBcIEepXwsvG9L71f/N Ylsg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 15:08:54 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FL Studio Producer Edition has been purchased! From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6dd8eca5363f404c3cbed0e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 22:08:56 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6dd8eca5363f404c3cbed0e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 What exactly is the muse On Jul 1, 2012 10:40 AM, "richard sales" wrote: > When the Muse says GO, go. > > Sometimes She directs us via technology. > > I NEVER EVER refuse the Muse nowadays. > > When younger, yes... and I paid big. In my experience, concepts can be > impediments and detours in disguise. > > Follow the butterfly. > > Caveat - just an old man's opinion! > > richard sales > www.glasswing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.goodnaturefarms.com > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 1, 2012, at 5:21 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > > Finaly got around to upgrading FL Studio. My wallet hurts right now :-S I > hope this was worth doing. I hope I will have the discipline to continue > live looping now that i have performance/clip launching mode to use for > non-looping performances. Whish me luck! > > > --0016e6dd8eca5363f404c3cbed0e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What exactly is the muse

On Jul 1, 2012 10:40 AM, "richard sales&quo= t; <richard@glasswing.com&g= t; wrote:
When the Muse says GO, go.

Sometimes She directs us via technology.=A0

I NEVER EVER refuse the Muse nowadays.=A0

When yo= unger, yes... and I paid big. =A0In my experience, concepts can be impedime= nts and detours in disguise.

Follow the butterfly. =A0

Cave= at - just an old man's opinion!


On Jul 1, 2012, at 5:21 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote:
<= br>

Finaly got around to upgrading FL Studio. M= y wallet hurts right now :-S I hope this was worth doing. I hope I will hav= e the discipline to continue live looping now that i have performance/clip = launching mode to use for non-looping performances. Whish me luck!


--0016e6dd8eca5363f404c3cbed0e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 23:05:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 252AF183489; Sun, 1 Jul 2012 23:05:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=G+IyaNgquTNFAMsCB6tMVZTh1IWKM3/Qvjk0fmW9Rv4=; b=JXaNoN9sNKOU8kz1AfSQiEv+gwa5kXmt00E4LWR5/l+wtZO8AGzPHqQVsFyTxsxkCm m7GkF6ynQJDlJvNC/ZOuu9ty3I0N2J/7k01g+Cm6ptrkJvWfL7gRoYC6gj14iDOknjyf bVmFCzSRh20iZwO+4txKWS/Mhaoa12Q8Q2hZ2gX3ctxotnroZLrNMlzKpGTVvyZh0dVs JjKFeEyf4ZNpJtX+qrOSqT5sqd/UB9bliTRfeSYpO2XgLySKTTtIY71naWcldC5l0wnj OyW20BTzlBocDsMYkJcghpfCGwpivb0KLMDk+LGiU5YEVBI5Ve20dJNGUep2kreZcYB1 kLhw== From: Phil Clevenger Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--48031410 Subject: Re: FL Studio Producer Edition has been purchased! Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 16:05:04 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-Id: <344A992C-EE72-48E0-85B6-99B4EC8423A9@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 23:05:09 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--48031410 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To learn about the Muse, I recommend the movie Xanadu. Not even kidding. Or am I? Impossible to know. But I do know every song = by heart... Phil :) On Jul 1, 2012, at 3:08 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > What exactly is the muse >=20 > On Jul 1, 2012 10:40 AM, "richard sales" = wrote: > When the Muse says GO, go. >=20 > Sometimes She directs us via technology.=20 >=20 > I NEVER EVER refuse the Muse nowadays.=20 >=20 > When younger, yes... and I paid big. In my experience, concepts can = be impediments and detours in disguise. >=20 > Follow the butterfly. =20 >=20 > Caveat - just an old man's opinion! >=20 > richard sales > www.glasswing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.goodnaturefarms.com >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Jul 1, 2012, at 5:21 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: >=20 >> Finaly got around to upgrading FL Studio. My wallet hurts right now = :-S I hope this was worth doing. I hope I will have the discipline to = continue live looping now that i have performance/clip launching mode to = use for non-looping performances. Whish me luck! >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-1--48031410 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii To learn about the Muse, I recommend the movie Xanadu.

Not even kidding. Or am I? Impossible to know. But I do know every song by heart...

Phil :)


On Jul 1, 2012, at 3:08 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote:

What exactly is the muse

On Jul 1, 2012 10:40 AM, "richard sales" <richard@glasswing.com> wrote:
When the Muse says GO, go.

Sometimes She directs us via technology. 

I NEVER EVER refuse the Muse nowadays. 

When younger, yes... and I paid big.  In my experience, concepts can be impediments and detours in disguise.

Follow the butterfly.  

Caveat - just an old man's opinion!


On Jul 1, 2012, at 5:21 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote:

Finaly got around to upgrading FL Studio. My wallet hurts right now :-S I hope this was worth doing. I hope I will have the discipline to continue live looping now that i have performance/clip launching mode to use for non-looping performances. Whish me luck!



--Apple-Mail-1--48031410-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 12:01:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01C6C183491; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 12:01:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=1bXteWy7Qyhi8yQ7VG+XCakZCtnfZx4/0TbPf8Ya2zA=; b=xf9vPKQqMCTR/ezkcd9GQn5/sMryXd8gc6Z78ge1RHU0MjpAUUHZTcyVNgi9BEQVAl 3Qce/ojeYFn+buN7Vj2ajkGojeSX3y4P9XFGHxoQm0pMfBoKM0nuEgUtOU6vJUVVjY2D AmmjAtQuoiucgXQdI9RGABDIKALx88T9zzClpY5t0v/Ru7PXFXZCHkU5qGe1CUFmkNd3 ytqXdx3INgLfFpU4jLYxPIuUyOKIClQMyxZvl5orQSav5NRQc6kGNTbdowD45VplQ9Gm opO46HbnjsSF2k7GMICdgyQlxgwhZ637nwZo+gGSkmNCA91gcIYz5XuCLCMusvbi6ZiR AxtA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 13:01:07 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: portable media player - multiple output? From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 12:01:09 +0000 (UTC) chaps, i know this might be a long shot, but does anyone know of a portable media player with multiple outputs? i'd like to be able to play one stereo pair (a backing track) through one set of outs and a click track through another (headphone out would be best). i've been using ableton on my laptop to do this, but i'd really prefer a small portable hardware device, if possible... cheers sim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 12:09:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1261718348F; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 12:09:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=ZO/1lO+Pw7BqrKdc1IbJ2KpCq0UzuKp7d/UBV6umgVU=; b=BIRVCswj1wrw57ZjaWU8yJmEI4TdDwURB2xB284ZtoeS3dtn4ev/kr2bDObYChgg4I 1psqb1bY+8I9/8EQ6Km3Sxp9bCMWBZZAF1aRrl3WE81HztSBAvteYAQyqJohMS3CfTBO zdfjHyBZzIWZwq0zbXtoqVKtpblBEsLE6kA46Z0PSMId7L6yWAx9cPWC33hLvVQAPs1r wGgdx8r/5LynGAItmTL+Kz9KFDgCGozb3+e7SFJkiNnuBbu60gBd2GUKjCJsVzpimbSy bhXMIT0QMttRla2rYeKChERAUQPFKseWdUuy9dB/sLPxJo9+mV96fVgrGIdMe2mklHZK fweg== Subject: Re: portable media player - multiple output? References: From: Todd Reynolds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 08:09:07 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 12:09:13 +0000 (UTC) I think it you were to get a reasonable 50 dollar DVD player it has 5 outs d= oesn't it? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 2, 2012, at 8:01 AM, Simeon Harris wr= ote: > chaps, i know this might be a long shot, but does anyone know of a > portable media player with multiple outputs? i'd like to be able to > play one stereo pair (a backing track) through one set of outs and a > click track through another (headphone out would be best). i've been > using ableton on my laptop to do this, but i'd really prefer a small > portable hardware device, if possible... >=20 > cheers >=20 > sim >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 12:21:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58A7118348F; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 12:21:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ma0KxYLJvz7Be38EwWI83q497w3bdpm9ndQlFQDTFXE=; b=IwdILsHKRZX8VjhSIKdPcmHoUbmJeZ7QSAlyByhw5od4ZdkIvP3tt/ySVkXHvpFUMl cFq2L0vNVwBtrLy06SQ4A5836Sc6iR58ZQWGeT5kaxK8LVh3aIOdKQpBOth3ns5RLGJL 2xRuWjh2+yOCIpQ8lN6Vl5bUwREM6W7Q3aaNca9NOZ+nunr82DlVBtk7y4YvcRFAuzUS /hjdjkWewPWZGDBzmg44335bMfFqcfQT03PpBVabFaijtGxQy4mz25zAFYDOEEVwD6lk PrL4gbVyvLpI3wO8qS8KPKixx4Dt0bYBsbNoFu73pM0eocyd4XA68i71sXwn0zvGuxOH JrqQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 14:21:43 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: portable media player - multiple output? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <2XwYkB.A.3n.YJZ8PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 12:21:44 +0000 (UTC) I don't know any such product, except for multi-track recorders with multiple outputs. But a workaround could be to find a stereo media player that also submits some sync signal so you can plug in any cheapo drum box for the click. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Simeon Harris wrote: > chaps, i know this might be a long shot, but does anyone know of a > portable media player with multiple outputs? i'd like to be able to > play one stereo pair (a backing track) through one set of outs and a > click track through another (headphone out would be best). i've been > using ableton on my laptop to do this, but i'd really prefer a small > portable hardware device, if possible... > > cheers > > sim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 12:25:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EEB4183496; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 12:25:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=8GMILclLs8TkKRFRXoX50l2i6aRRGkhd9AvawcXtWjU=; b=ofazujLOCrbT8+8QuuuNpw8cx6Zrmh92k4rO/etKP/yEolX4nmIu43nN/++p1Nvxy7 BwZwqlSveflhmQB02K+iRJWfOjTlISLa1LrEZxTHmc6XGZiznxUr9WpwyiRp7hQ/vwBR V6KDE44UDfrP/x4kb8503d6SOFEMMElPe/0MhfFduPpbCY6q5gZh6gqfj7I43+rWopvX GVk/3g3I/vE0DkO9iDcZu5F5bPk4CiCE/BqtHtj5qETmxVmQ7xnO0PPdZfFyrDVmoqCD 2wXuNvfRhAcC6gcI1jcW8mVM5l+WdBjfphtGRvO7XLaczmwIXdOe8ZkJXnt1ynfW5F+U ECbA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 13:25:56 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: portable media player - multiple output? From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 12:25:57 +0000 (UTC) yeah, i've looked at the boss BR micro recorders and they would be perfect, except they only have one output. the zoom R8 and R16 look like possibilities (the R16 will definitely send a click to the headphone out....not sure about the R8), but again, it's overkill for what i need... On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > I don't know any such product, except for multi-track recorders with > multiple outputs. But a workaround could be to find a stereo media > player that also submits some sync signal so you can plug in any > cheapo drum box for the click. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Simeon Harris > wrote: >> chaps, i know this might be a long shot, but does anyone know of a >> portable media player with multiple outputs? i'd like to be able to >> play one stereo pair (a backing track) through one set of outs and a >> click track through another (headphone out would be best). i've been >> using ableton on my laptop to do this, but i'd really prefer a small >> portable hardware device, if possible... >> >> cheers >> >> sim >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 12:28:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB130183498; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 12:28:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ThuHdm2MlW5TQCpMieI1WtMoeadbtYdk3hkEOL3IH1s=; b=R9WGfnj6fYcyWmx3vomcpGdijrHz5HUciCY81lziwNmUUV4GT8y3Io+1O3cPZjJqSk /+ZuvEJfCxGr2FSE85bj8za5VqLIcQVKYw2ClQZJIbK+wJYAzvdCSdtstlPK+x0wEV6F FhwvlX5fkAPj15EeDtwFj4bJ5ulmt8GKydmWntn7ekpVGg+WDJw61Ok5XEzTx8fl6/TQ A8E0Q6ZTpLvBlKE1VCjBPSHDMXXugQ+Urhw0Y263sF4njB9V1Ws6/DlaSr0quO52IeqL ZUSC+6c02lNvn3ykyjOP9KcZFMI5hiWcUxLwpVIKw2UOAEpBbQJ3tM95mwPPvTWmRhnU eVJA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 13:28:49 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: portable media player - multiple output? From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 12:28:50 +0000 (UTC) interesting idea, todd...but they's all be phono's, wouldn't they? and i'd have to create a 5.1 backing track in logic and then burn onto a dvd, yes? On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Todd Reynolds wrote: I think it you were to get a reasonable 50 dollar DVD player it has 5 outs doesn't it? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 12:40:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B19A183495; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 12:40:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=bF4wHbtOC6cg8ltME+PZATGa9ni6k9AZ0Eny0RapLjY=; b=kR97Jfl7eWNQ5VuH1sdjTpLnnjhEajcFVBGYbbhnxThsSCU4L3KAaiHkmlR2dof4rL Nc+FhUTxYFHF7B3YF2KQSTD+gBqKhmIQChtD0ONad8iCCK1nzbY5oMXZah013P2usuo0 ncZnDHnk+iRp+sJKDSvC46U5sjl4tpCymvOJah3WWnKXtEYjAOxbn5oyO/P3MDeujYK/ 1SwleuInThuBkKkNLNYQ0jnnpuIAFBZmuPF3nXZRw9T9YuPVM9rMH9FjGzxsOG3F4ZRe UUaASo9HE3B8mauL4vYGgPZV9y/47zhzvEJG2yRbzC98BiAv6PCsxXRRZn+eJxnyGoC5 KwOg== Subject: Re: portable media player - multiple output? References: From: Todd Reynolds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 08:40:01 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 12:40:06 +0000 (UTC) Exactly. Or in live, doesnt matter. Get adapters and you're good go. Stick e= m into a mixer! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 2, 2012, at 8:28 AM, Simeon Harris wr= ote: > interesting idea, todd...but they's all be phono's, wouldn't they? and > i'd have to create a 5.1 backing track in logic and then burn onto a > dvd, yes? >=20 > On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Todd Reynolds wrote: > I think it you were to get a reasonable 50 dollar DVD player it has 5 > outs doesn't it? >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 12:55:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C32A183491; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 12:55:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ZkH2+4nN9XicXlH0cY6n4S9fju2JYrEPh0ZidZAk1Sw=; b=Dgy0jTB4ruOwRiBnXo7JJxzcLWkzQ7EZ2/iWQ3w+IVcG3snwDM5Sphsfs85ORcPFOl vLmKoudYaMk0Vkhf6swjxrok2XqW5WDScU7SSfO7s+rv1FJe71NDrBAkKY5Hf3MfRSrF 7U7JBSc0grH6BAebF5oPGt9SIYTtHtggMxTrdpp/ApBrCOIOf1QuX+sJfXHc6c89+4sr r/waMFnjRcsg3NEgJSXK30emrza4w0XiyTQhetvOCHCS7GKuBMX450T7KsR8GGWkTiFA jilHHUKMg6dndlovs5Kb3LsZR2f3+UeCmcOiuTKFiKKbe9584n9DzoRZy14Dmq3bWtR3 uGGQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 14:55:06 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: portable media player - multiple output? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 12:55:07 +0000 (UTC) Another funny solution - used by list member Andrew Chaikin AKA Kid Beyond and many others - is to mix the countdown into the backing track and make it sound as something you play on your instrument. With most instruments you can get away with looking as if playing for one bar, or just make some intro noise that will mask out the countdown for anyone that isn't particularly listening for it. I used that trick a lot during the nineties when touring with a trio doing DAT playback shows with some live instruments and no time for soundcheck what-so-ever... :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Simeon Harris wrote: > yeah, i've looked at the boss BR micro recorders and they would be > perfect, except they only have one output. the zoom R8 and R16 look > like possibilities (the R16 will definitely send a click to the > headphone out....not sure about the R8), but again, it's overkill for > what i need... > > On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> I don't know any such product, except for multi-track recorders with >> multiple outputs. But a workaround could be to find a stereo media >> player that also submits some sync signal so you can plug in any >> cheapo drum box for the click. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Simeon Harris >> wrote: >>> chaps, i know this might be a long shot, but does anyone know of a >>> portable media player with multiple outputs? i'd like to be able to >>> play one stereo pair (a backing track) through one set of outs and a >>> click track through another (headphone out would be best). i've been >>> using ableton on my laptop to do this, but i'd really prefer a small >>> portable hardware device, if possible... >>> >>> cheers >>> >>> sim >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 12:58:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2D0018349B; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 12:58:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=gKaf9dnMoL6aqIMiuaKe0xFTmspl6oALZpTaTo7PG4g=; b=In+t+VSyJ0NzzvmlctQk9/iWVybRoKlHwHo6YZH8APiq8X3G/CTjVYBZ/6M/zHxiiV oJ9uxQfU/RNCYoe1L9VuzKa2DkX9WuFehfvs9D5HlBJGCeBbJKPFGtucAKF3xK9fV0fF +4+lqWh4Ptlttw8FMxbll0udivd3kEUgMp6xZYjXg0/4WUomFm6nfzHfVcabHmSVemCj R3/8ZLRmxzbRRHqM2nczAQf5jsMAAHTalS/DjDg1bHR/HF6Mb2jpeW5u1uP0D2p8VaIi bDHrz8/w7cgjBnoxiOjiav9qyf8Qn188ryOeqIx8NCzmbNDxelWZw7T6wC2JFVlxUoIv D9cg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 14:58:08 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: y5_GzbYNWrlqCLAiQA-6mSt3V3E Message-ID: Subject: Re: portable media player - multiple output? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba5bb947acadd804c3d85a8c Resent-Message-ID: <7tczxD.A.uXB.1rZ8PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 12:58:29 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba5bb947acadd804c3d85a8c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 HA! Me too!! In the 80s it was normal to have weird TV snippets as samples in songs, we had a few as cues before tracks... Whenever I hear the Radio Broadcast in Texas Chainsaw Massacre.. "There are several reports of graves being disturbed in the area" ...I think... 2, 3 4. PLAY!!! M On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Another funny solution - used by list member Andrew Chaikin AKA Kid > Beyond and many others - is to mix the countdown into the backing > track and make it sound as something you play on your instrument. With > most instruments you can get away with looking as if playing for one > bar, or just make some intro noise that will mask out the countdown > for anyone that isn't particularly listening for it. I used that trick > a lot during the nineties when touring with a trio doing DAT playback > shows with some live instruments and no time for soundcheck > what-so-ever... :-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Simeon Harris > wrote: > > yeah, i've looked at the boss BR micro recorders and they would be > > perfect, except they only have one output. the zoom R8 and R16 look > > like possibilities (the R16 will definitely send a click to the > > headphone out....not sure about the R8), but again, it's overkill for > > what i need... > > > > On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> I don't know any such product, except for multi-track recorders with > >> multiple outputs. But a workaround could be to find a stereo media > >> player that also submits some sync signal so you can plug in any > >> cheapo drum box for the click. > >> > >> Greetings from Sweden > >> > >> Per Boysen > >> www.perboysen.com > >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Simeon Harris > >> wrote: > >>> chaps, i know this might be a long shot, but does anyone know of a > >>> portable media player with multiple outputs? i'd like to be able to > >>> play one stereo pair (a backing track) through one set of outs and a > >>> click track through another (headphone out would be best). i've been > >>> using ableton on my laptop to do this, but i'd really prefer a small > >>> portable hardware device, if possible... > >>> > >>> cheers > >>> > >>> sim > >>> > >> > > > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --90e6ba5bb947acadd804c3d85a8c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HA! Me too!! In the 80s it was normal to have weird TV snippets as samples = in songs, we had a few as cues before tracks... Whenever I hear the Radio B= roadcast in Texas Chainsaw Massacre..

"There are several report= s of graves being disturbed in the area"

...I think... 2, 3 4. PLAY!!!

M

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
Another funny solution - used by list member= Andrew Chaikin AKA Kid
Beyond and many others - is to mix the countdown into the backing
track and make it sound as something you play on your instrument. With
most instruments you can get away with looking as if playing for one
bar, or just make some intro noise that will mask out the countdown
for anyone that isn't particularly listening for it. I used that trick<= br> a lot during the nineties when touring with a trio doing DAT playback
shows with some live instruments and no time for soundcheck
what-so-ever... :-)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen


On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Simeon Harris
<simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
> yeah, i've looked at the boss BR micro recorders and they would be=
> perfect, except they only have one output. the zoom R8 and R16 look > like possibilities (the R16 will definitely send a click to the
> headphone out....not sure about the R8), but again, it's overkill = for
> what i need...
>
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I don't know any such product, except for multi-track recorder= s with
>> multiple outputs. But a workaround could be to find a stereo media=
>> player that also submits some sync signal so you can plug in any >> cheapo drum box for the click.
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.perboys= en.com
>> htt= p://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Simeon Harris
>> <simeonharris4= 0@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> chaps, i know this might be a long shot, but does anyone know = of a
>>> portable media player with multiple outputs? i'd like to b= e able to
>>> play one stereo pair (a backing track) through one set of outs= and a
>>> click track through another (headphone out would be best). i&#= 39;ve been
>>> using ableton on my laptop to do this, but i'd really pref= er a small
>>> portable hardware device, if possible...
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>
>>> sim
>>>
>>
>




--
= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--90e6ba5bb947acadd804c3d85a8c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 22:08:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AAFB018349B; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 22:08:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FF21BB9.4050005@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2012 15:07:53 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "kay'lon rushing" CC: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: FL Studio Producer Edition has been purchased! References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030306000901050407000205" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 22:08:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030306000901050407000205 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 7/1/12 5:21 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > > Finaly got around to upgrading FL Studio. My wallet hurts right now > :-S I hope this was worth doing. I hope I will have the discipline to > continue live looping now that i have performance/clip launching mode > to use for non-looping performances. Whish me luck! > The new FL Studio is nothing short of amazing to me. It is so deep and yet so intuitive to use. You are going to love it, I predict. I'd wish you luck, but you are very creative, kay'lon so I honestly don't think you need luck. As Richard says, 'follow the muse'. (the muses came from Greek mythology and were female creatures who 'brought' mankind inspiration) Ever have those times where something really cool just seems to 'come through you'? People refer metaphorically to be visited by the muses. In modern times, it's just a synonym for the word creativity. Richard is say, when the fires of creativity are with you, it's a great thing to just follow your inspiration and 'strike, while the iron is hot' (lol, another antiquated metaphor). good luck, Rick --------------030306000901050407000205 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
On 7/1/12 5:21 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote:

Finaly got around to upgrading FL Studio. My wallet hurts right now :-S I hope this was worth doing. I hope I will have the discipline to continue live looping now that i have performance/clip launching mode to use for non-looping performances. Whish me luck!

The new FL Studio is nothing short of amazing to me.
It is so deep and yet so intuitive to use.

You are going to love it, I predict.    I'd wish you luck,  but you are very creative, kay'lon so
I honestly don't think you need luck.     As Richard says,   'follow the muse'.

(the muses came from Greek mythology and were female creatures who 'brought' mankind inspiration)


Ever have those times where something really cool just seems to 'come through you'?


People refer metaphorically to be visited by the muses.

In modern times, it's just a synonym for the word creativity.

Richard is say,  when the fires of creativity are with you,  it's a great thing to just follow your inspiration
and 'strike, while the iron is hot'  (lol, another antiquated metaphor).

good luck,   Rick

--------------030306000901050407000205-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 22:13:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A3AC1834A0; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 22:13:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=T8sRyDjdLyQpNedD4vfxP3lp/jwPtA8Zrmh6/QnTCPQ=; b=eeizjg+PXpu3m/+ZW24uOAv0yhS9ZMHI2VIikM21C27mdEyTXPIn5LnQeEofMUiBsu nHgA+Zq6uRNwkgdnzLGkclP5Uj83STEcLRi32diM+9mT90zQ5VdXtCFUnaCm3LvqN/U3 OfJy1BoCFDxa8GyPjKB5lmxVz8XVS8pavI18udut1Oky4aX/AZ3DeKvCT6Aj/13/7C6M yrHOwnLYXa1KOCcw69B49ETE4IBp0aDXGw8Db1YwLq81fXgXtcWP8JWmRY1SB3EoWrNo kqsL7rk+M++95y+J76ytMSJOShtb5ctHHR+InFqRSKoXv/xOvFCY+Iw0GZKEEthgBgXY MI1Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FF21BB9.4050005@cruzio.com> References: <4FF21BB9.4050005@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 18:13:12 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FL Studio Producer Edition has been purchased! From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: "kay'lon rushing" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307f34d0900f8404c3e01aaf Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 22:13:13 +0000 (UTC) --20cf307f34d0900f8404c3e01aaf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable well put Rick - my favorite quote memory came at a low point in my time when I had stopped playing briefly. Ran in to a writer friend who bequeathed me with 'if the muse is singing on your shoulder, you better best listen...' and so I have. Play on Kay'lon... jim On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 7/1/12 5:21 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > > Finaly got around to upgrading FL Studio. My wallet hurts right now :-S I > hope this was worth doing. I hope I will have the discipline to continue > live looping now that i have performance/clip launching mode to use for > non-looping performances. Whish me luck! > > The new FL Studio is nothing short of amazing to me. > It is so deep and yet so intuitive to use. > > You are going to love it, I predict. I'd wish you luck, but you are > very creative, kay'lon so > I honestly don't think you need luck. As Richard says, 'follow the > muse'. > > (the muses came from Greek mythology and were female creatures who > 'brought' mankind inspiration) > > > Ever have those times where something really cool just seems to 'come > through you'? > > > People refer metaphorically to be visited by the muses. > > In modern times, it's just a synonym for the word creativity. > > Richard is say, when the fires of creativity are with you, it's a great > thing to just follow your inspiration > and 'strike, while the iron is hot' (lol, another antiquated metaphor). > > good luck, Rick > > --=20 --=20 *jimgoodin.com* - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minimalism' *From Brooklyn To Glindran *, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from this CD will benefit *JDRF International * *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. --20cf307f34d0900f8404c3e01aaf Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
well put Rick - my favorite quote memory came at a low point in my tim= e when I had stopped playing briefly.=A0 Ran in to a writer friend who bequ= eathed me with 'if the muse is singing on your shoulder, you better bes= t listen...' and so I have.=A0 Play on Kay'lon...
=A0
jim

On Mon, Jul = 2, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrot= e:
=20 =20 =20
On 7/1/12 5:21 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote:

Finaly got around to upgrading FL Studio. My wallet hurts right now :-S I hope this was worth doing. I hope I will have the discipline to continue live looping now that i have performance/clip launching mode to use for non-looping performances. Whish me luck!

The new FL Studio is nothing short of amazing t= o me.
It is so deep and yet so intuitive to use.

You are going to love it, I predict.=A0=A0=A0 I'd wish you luck,= =A0 but you are very creative, kay'lon so
I honestly don't think you need luck.=A0=A0=A0=A0 As Richard says= ,=A0=A0 'follow the muse'.

(the muses came from Greek mythology and were female creatures who 'brought' mankind inspiration)


Ever have those times where something really cool just seems to 'come through you'?


People refer metaphorically to be visited by the muses.

In modern times, it's just a synonym for the word creativity.

Richard is say,=A0 when the fires of creativity are with you,=A0 it&#= 39;s a great thing to just follow your inspiration
and 'strike, while the iron is hot'=A0 (lol, another antiquat= ed metaphor).

good luck,=A0=A0 Rick




--
--
jimgoodin.com -= 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minimalism'
=A0
From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz= recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from this CD will= benefit JDRF Internation= al

Tips Across the Waters, a= new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.

--20cf307f34d0900f8404c3e01aaf-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 22:42:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A68581834A5; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 22:42:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:importance:x-mailer :x-mimeole; bh=I6KF0Qd7ZaOTkUoBbTg8jIFxiJrOd8jTbYoZ6ymY980=; b=WYqG/Ii9RAS8Z3Qe3aUTIlt4a1CP1X2KxChVeztG1ovZ+Qg1Wx+4yJ/iurpeY9R+LD CT3w9mBrNgIsw6EdYyVHzSwKOqowaSn/MmEKrKuF2vyNX7YSh/BT8QfIw9RnhlK6gQLZ R9qz6mXrTzipNqz23GqJwBbpCv/f+P8qErpHlM6Hgw8ux4LJFj2+6OT67oO0Vr1eueiU aE0GIkr5h3FgY5NKzJAs2+mZNU2CfVEg9ICjA0uikTTbQwFmVXyuspzdwjTI+6Ex+zE0 0x45/Gwjllf3vsO7+fZbszqD6St+VYPuqHoYAm1PRO7fg6sW/AppTQQB0lGoaYMoMEry bf6A== Message-ID: From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <4FF21BB9.4050005@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4FF21BB9.4050005@cruzio.com> Subject: Conversion to Mac! Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 16:42:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0BB6_01CD5871.B0C6CDE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: <_puf-.A.SNG.jPi8PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 22:42:43 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0BB6_01CD5871.B0C6CDE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I did it...after 10 years of struggling and fighting with the PC = and music making, countless crashes, blue screens of death, = compatibility errors, installation issues, IRQ conflicts, etc, etc , ad = nauseum, I converted to Mac. All I can say is I don=E2=80=99t know why I didn=E2=80=99t do this long = ago. I bought the newest Macbook Pro, upgraded processor, memory, and = flash drive. I=E2=80=99m loving it! I had no idea what I was missing. ------=_NextPart_000_0BB6_01CD5871.B0C6CDE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, I did it...after 10 years of struggling and fighting with the = PC and=20 music making, countless crashes, blue screens of death, compatibility = errors,=20 installation issues, IRQ conflicts, etc, etc , ad nauseum, I converted = to=20 Mac.
All I can say is I don=E2=80=99t know why I didn=E2=80=99t do this = long ago.  I bought=20 the newest Macbook Pro, upgraded processor, memory, and flash = drive.  I=E2=80=99m=20 loving it!   I had no idea what I was missing.=20
------=_NextPart_000_0BB6_01CD5871.B0C6CDE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 22:44:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A2611834A5; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 22:44:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nHIYIbFEfUomV+Kd0ATfqVwIz+srDXY5xZ84QMpfsRY=; b=G+iMrz/muYoFi3FFsVy1htpx5lebrij5Gi6SOH+4J3dT7EBTqTqVQt72QhoT65f3lm jrwrCshI4udO4txt9Topk/KDEFmYCqrvYmWen/3nK7O1LuiQJ7BASXL6Iyyk84s+ihTi FhfJmwLwuDJmUCOVFn6X/37J1847z5npnkP5g6SfK0nXA1fzDPJTPiCOa7DoRzPdwOit jhXNIqBK0772nilzZ9NwAYzIA7v/ssm13CkErLTBD3Zok2+Y+KGKELeApgBnxyEF1njX m4pk+9NF3ztiYo8UB5mjARfsIBjETe/SqIYxRVKRG8P2JQqqGQ/EA8TMLdKS2UFi6pYd QCMA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4FF21BB9.4050005@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 16:44:47 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Conversion to Mac! From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 22:44:48 +0000 (UTC) And if you really feel the need, load Parallels and run Windows =85 Congratulations! Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Kris Hartung wr= ote: > Well, I did it...after 10 years of struggling and fighting with the PC an= d > music making, countless crashes, blue screens of death, compatibility > errors, installation issues, IRQ conflicts, etc, etc , ad nauseum, I > converted to Mac. > All I can say is I don=92t know why I didn=92t do this long ago. I bough= t the > newest Macbook Pro, upgraded processor, memory, and flash drive. I=92m l= oving > it! I had no idea what I was missing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 23:07:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 804301834A6; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 23:07:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=x29t9pWjcaRBqZtopCRPnuTTO1yjA/I3EUgxaY9ooZs=; b=uFRsq9+VheP9LU41FKuO9kw9uD6vlGxM8UpSoRKCuLKPD5KeTPgxOf/UhXdd0yREFb 3E5bIf1/E8k77o3onppr9A/JRes0H1EAC0gL0CTFPGZrTkbEUGqgRVAA09rYUzI17cgv enjSYOEBGpEsqkFjE78TjEfGIYDwZrqOWh3VqZhVsnaIA9DDHa3XVb1jHi9QQ4b8Pv7n eh4QNLtH1yvPKrsXt1LMDxmz4DdPUGjnCrpvBhS1zUQ73DUQSRK2fvw5yaxq6vKcMY88 2sR7earsCc96pytodDydtr5vw7x5DnyNY0E6D6YClNTksTowI95UfM3HuLQh1jcIBsFS pqJA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4FF21BB9.4050005@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 19:07:04 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Conversion to Mac! From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0438939d35675104c3e0dbd4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 23:07:05 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0438939d35675104c3e0dbd4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable echo'ing congrats Kris. I converted several years ago, though support Windows users in my day job and some family members. I think OS X.xxx for Apple, they finally arrived. I do feel saddened by what the news reports in the factories that build the stuff however but it's hard to negate the product. Jim On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Dennis Moser wrote= : > And if you really feel the need, load Parallels and run Windows =85 > > Congratulations! > > Dennis > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Kris Hartung > wrote: > > Well, I did it...after 10 years of struggling and fighting with the PC > and > > music making, countless crashes, blue screens of death, compatibility > > errors, installation issues, IRQ conflicts, etc, etc , ad nauseum, I > > converted to Mac. > > All I can say is I don=92t know why I didn=92t do this long ago. I bou= ght > the > > newest Macbook Pro, upgraded processor, memory, and flash drive. I=92m > loving > > it! I had no idea what I was missing. > > --=20 --=20 *jimgoodin.com* - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minimalism' *From Brooklyn To Glindran *, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from this CD will benefit *JDRF International * *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. --f46d0438939d35675104c3e0dbd4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
echo'ing congrats Kris. =A0I converted several years ago, though s= upport Windows users in my day job and some family members.=A0 I think OS X= .xxx for Apple, they finally arrived.=A0 I do feel saddened by what the new= s reports in the factories that build the stuff however but it's hard t= o negate the product.
=A0
Jim

On Mon, Jul = 2, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> wrote:
And if you really feel the need, load Parallels and run Wi= ndows =85

Congratulations!

Dennis

http://soundclo= ud.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com=
http://usrsla= shsbin.angrek.com/


On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Kris Hartung <krispen.hartung@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, I did it...after 10 years of struggling and fighting with the PC= and
> music making, countless crashes, blue screens of death, compatibility<= br> > errors, installation issues, IRQ conflicts, etc, etc , ad nauseum, I > converted to Mac.
> All I can say is I don=92t know why I didn=92t do this long ago. =A0I = bought the
> newest Macbook Pro, upgraded processor, memory, and flash drive. =A0I= =92m loving
> it! =A0 I had no idea what I was missing.




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--f46d0438939d35675104c3e0dbd4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 23:12:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6A2E1834AC; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 23:12:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=8n69asTuZbMnXn9oCQM8qmqRc2QTO8vVbX5gOB99VVA= c=1 sm=1 a=KfGq-mLK1qwA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=qYz8RHWopigd8QnFYCx1XA==:17 a=XUMnoCEsg06MC1-1lOEA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=xfV6pVjl24Rp-pZY6o4A:9 a=qYz8RHWopigd8QnFYCx1XA==:117 Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 19:12:14 -0400 (EDT) From: =?UTF8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <797a742b.9c051.13849f73740.Webtop.45@charter.net> Subject: RE: Conversion to Mac! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2083439_2101554784.1341270734648" User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 X-SID: 45 X-Originating-IP: [68.118.35.162] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 23:12:15 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_2083439_2101554784.1341270734648 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline :-) On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: Well, I did it...after 10 years of struggling and fighting with the PC=20 and music making, countless crashes, blue screens of death,=20 compatibility errors, installation issues, IRQ conflicts, etc, etc , ad=20 nauseum, I converted to Mac. All I can say is I don=E2=80=99t know why I didn=E2=80=99t do this long ago= . I bought=20 the newest Macbook Pro, upgraded processor, memory, and flash drive.=20 I=E2=80=99m loving it! I had no idea what I was missing. ------=_Part_2083439_2101554784.1341270734648 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
:-)

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Kris Hartung wrot= e:

 <= FONT SIZE=3D"3">Well, I did it...after 10 years of struggling and fighting = with the PC and  music making, countless crashes, blue screens of deat= h, compatibility errors,  installation issues, IRQ conflicts, etc, etc= , ad nauseum, I converted to  Mac.
All I can say is I don=E2=80=99t know why I didn=E2=80=99t= do this long ago.  I bought  the newest Macbook Pro, upgraded pr= ocessor, memory, and flash drive.  I=E2=80=99m  loving it! &= nbsp; I had no idea what I was missing. ------=_Part_2083439_2101554784.1341270734648-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 23:23:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9132B1834AA; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 23:23:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 415011.85518.bm@omp1053.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1341271422; bh=wKiNwEguHSeqo8qnQSfl6jA907BsZ0L7/TWCgUu4E3s=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VUr5Z2e3OGQmDHkBshcw7QjSxUZma+N9l0fCrSFykyRQXyGKsipGsErZg5/veYRR2RkCInY+8c9ZRrW1tMD/JU9B5c2Pp6yfWZkgtAMoCwH3MVtiSnSG833Tv6eq25S3xNfjK64Au4j5pDz0bK41OPjV9l/Q+n5LX90GBOdkDOg= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JXp/kPXVq3PXh9pXAlWgKiFc7ZMY0n4sSnkCmmBnnOqRCj6XhX32kdFbEyICxpfaJ0URMQ6bq3q9fcfVWzgJIdV9MR7Wi1+EBB4OvMy98eCy7/lSLPwEAgF/rtyc4s8rTcwea2/Jqe9yHCeQakdPKJ9v00gM7JBbdxED9QE7F/0=; X-YMail-OSG: bmK1cZUVM1mE1HJ5oRA7agcsgUvUwGlZpK4yB9T4JXTYoDl uc0dPjFNYEZbII9ZZnuNlwCnW2CgvCx7Y.HyYW.kicSaZLurMIvsTdH.BT6I F7qMEM504dI3MOyXWUMyz_Ma_lm2nAtiSn4OjjPwEXzIiXePImzcw.TEEoeT 0qDsT1Z3Wm84P7is3P96nyPU_8D3hnGy8QUR8sZAVcBU6ZCj.ujdTC6l8_vC krCi0msAaB97XZHcWx0beHr_L7EfHxzaFy.cq_Tgg6o5x1k_6I7ccSVH5YD_ pM9gufaxffkuT5tu5XsM4TVKhjyet8_rRqrbeX6BUlESflM9lfbIJXYbqsjp oxat5WpJg77U5_5ie8x8FrSTHiA1zq.XZ9ogZSf4yGbvYaHU0TFl.kV9mHUM lwH_QS5QnVE.wRoMdjQS2WXz6KKNcm5wXz7TfvduunqP8JBFbuktymSl8OBT 5M5DCPg8xjva0qNTQwF11sEa6nDucUXgTMcaVfYXwLMTg4b7yHL1YMps- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: <797a742b.9c051.13849f73740.Webtop.45@charter.net> Message-ID: <1341271422.45981.YahooMailNeo@web160703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 16:23:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Reply-To: Paul Richards Subject: Re: Conversion to Mac! To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <797a742b.9c051.13849f73740.Webtop.45@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1403516090-110484060-1341271422=:45981" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 23:23:43 +0000 (UTC) ---1403516090-110484060-1341271422=:45981 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One of the big downsides for me personally is the fact that Apple software = has to be purchased through the Apple store therefore I can no longer get e= ducational discounts from work. Bah! The discounts were substantial. I did = really like Logic, though (I sold my iMac).=0A=C2=A0=0AHowever, I did have = some difficulty installing software ont the iMac (not Apple's stuff). Speci= fically, the Sampletron software. I finally gave up and installed it on my = Toshiba Windows laptop!=0A=C2=A0=0AI will probably purchase another Apple P= C more than likely an iMac.=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A Fr= om: tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com =0ASent: Monday, July 2, 2012 7:12 PM=0ASubject: RE: Convers= ion to Mac!=0A =0A=0A:-)=0A=0AOn Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Kris Hartung= wrote:=0A=0A=C2=A0Well, I did it...after 10 years of struggling and fighti= ng with the PC and=C2=A0 music making, countless crashes, blue screens of d= eath, compatibility errors,=C2=A0 installation issues, IRQ conflicts, etc, = etc , ad nauseum, I converted to=C2=A0 Mac. =0AAll I can say is I don=E2=80= =99t know why I didn=E2=80=99t do this long ago.=C2=A0 I bought=C2=A0 the n= ewest Macbook Pro, upgraded processor, memory, and flash drive.=C2=A0 I=E2= =80=99m=C2=A0 loving it!=C2=A0=C2=A0 I had no idea what I was missing. ---1403516090-110484060-1341271422=:45981 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
One of the= big downsides for me personally is the fact that Apple software has to be = purchased through the Apple store therefore I can no longer get educational= discounts from work. Bah! The discounts were substantial. I did really lik= e Logic, though (I sold my iMac).
 
However, I did have some difficulty installing sof= tware ont the iMac (not Apple's stuff). Specifically, the Sampletron softwa= re. I finally gave up and installed it on my Toshiba Windows laptop!=
 
I will probably purchase ano= ther Apple PC more than likely an iMac.

From: tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net>
<= b>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers= -delight.com
Sent: Mo= nday, July 2, 2012 7:12 PM
Subjec= t: RE: Conversion to Mac!

=0A
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On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Kris Hartung wrote:
 Well, I did it...after 10 years of struggling and fighting with t= he PC and  music making, countless crashes, blue screens of death, com= patibility errors,  installation issues, IRQ conflicts, etc, etc , ad = nauseum, I converted to  Mac.
= All I can say is I don= =E2=80=99t know why I didn=E2=80=99t do this long ago.  I bought = the newest Macbook Pro, upgraded processor, memory, and flash drive. = I=E2=80=99m  loving it!   I had no idea what I was missing.

---1403516090-110484060-1341271422=:45981-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 23:30:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 909E01834A8; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 23:30:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 905 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 23:30:21 UTC X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.236.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:BY2PRD0410HT001.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI X-BigFish: PS5(zz9371Ic85eh9a6kzz1202hzz8275bhz2fh2a8h668h839he5bhf0ahbe3k) Received-SPF: pass (mail53-ch1: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.236.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.236.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=BY2PRD0410HT001.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Conversion to Mac! Thread-Topic: Conversion to Mac! Thread-Index: AQHNWKQmrCkBf2d7uEyOxhjQAlbYp5cWS+GA Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 23:14:58 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.255.115.4] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CC17906E5FC37jefflarsonsailpointcom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 23:30:22 +0000 (UTC) --_000_CC17906E5FC37jefflarsonsailpointcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I started using a Mac as my daily work machine a few months ago, there are = only two things I miss. First the copy/paste keys are Command-C and Command-V rather than Control-C= and Control-V and I haven't found a good way to map them. I get used to it but it drives me = nuts when I have to switch between a Mac and a PC. Second, I can't stand Finder and the file chooser dialogs. I am a fast typ= ist, when I want a file the easiest way for me is to type in the name and have the OS do auto-complete. Not on= a Mac. Oh no, you're not supposed to TYPE on a Mac, you're supposed to wiggle and scroll and cli= ck for 5 minutes over a deep directory tree. And if you want to search, by golly of course you want to search the ENTIRE= file system, not the directory you are currently in. Yes there's that goofy button under the search box where= you can select to search in just the folder, why the hell isn't this the default? Using any media file that isn't in an Officially Sanctioned Apple Format (Q= uicktime) is a bit of a pain, but there are 3rd party apps. There are no games but you can use Bootcam= p if you have enough disk. Oh and SoundFourge. There is not a single commercial or free Mac sound edi= tor that works as well as SoundFourge and don't waste time suggesting Ardor. I still do all my .w= av file editing on a PC if I can. If you do any C++ development, Xcode just flat out sucks compared to Visual= Studio. I also find Apple's online docs much harder to use than MSDN. On the plus side Logic and Mainstage are great and hibernate just works. I= have never had a PC laptop that could come out of hibernation reliably. Overall I'm happy with the switch and I'd do it again. Jeff From: Kris Hartung > Reply-To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > Date: Monday, July 2, 2012 5:42 PM To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > Subject: Conversion to Mac! Resent-From: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > Resent-Date: Monday, July 2, 2012 5:42 PM Well, I did it...after 10 years of struggling and fighting with the PC and = music making, countless crashes, blue screens of death, compatibility error= s, installation issues, IRQ conflicts, etc, etc , ad nauseum, I converted t= o Mac. All I can say is I don=92t know why I didn=92t do this long ago. I bought = the newest Macbook Pro, upgraded processor, memory, and flash drive. I=92m= loving it! I had no idea what I was missing. --_000_CC17906E5FC37jefflarsonsailpointcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <2FB13A60FCEFD2408264C3674C73AB0E@namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I started using a Mac as my daily work machine a few months ago, there= are only two things I miss.

First the copy/paste keys are Command-C and Command-V rather than Cont= rol-C and Control-V and
I haven't found a good way to map them.  I get used to it but it = drives me nuts when I have
to switch between a Mac and a PC.

Second, I can't stand Finder and the file chooser dialogs.  I am = a fast typist, when I want a file the easiest
way for me is to type in the name and have the OS do auto-complete. &n= bsp;Not on a Mac.  Oh no, you're
not supposed to TYPE on a Mac, you're supposed to wiggle and scroll an= d click for 5 minutes over a deep directory tree.
And if you want to search, by golly of course you want to search the E= NTIRE file system, not the directory you
are currently in.  Yes there's that goofy button under the search= box where you can select to search in just
the folder, why the hell isn't this the default?

Using any media file that isn't in an Officially Sanctioned Apple Form= at (Quicktime)  is a bit of a pain, 
but there are 3rd party apps.    There are no games but you = can use Bootcamp if you have enough disk.

Oh and SoundFourge.  There is not a single commercial or free Mac= sound editor that works as well
as SoundFourge and don't waste time suggesting Ardor.  I still do= all my .wav file editing on a PC 
if I can.

If you do any C++ development, Xcode just flat out sucks compa= red to Visual Studio.  I also find Apple's
online docs much harder to use than MSDN.  

On the plus side Logic and Mainstage are great and hibernate just work= s.  I have never had a 
PC laptop that could come out of hibernation reliably.  

Overall I'm happy with the switch and I'd do it again.

Jeff



From: Kris Hartung <krispen.hartung@gmail.com>
Reply-To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com= " <Loopers-D= elight@loopers-delight.com>
Date: Monday, July 2, 2012 5:42 PM<= br> To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"= <Loopers-Delight= @loopers-delight.com>
Subject: Conversion to Mac!
Resent-From: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<= /a>" <Looper= s-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Resent-Date: Monday, July 2, 2012 5= :42 PM

Well, I did it...after 10 years of struggling and fighting with the PC= and music making, countless crashes, blue screens of death, compatibility = errors, installation issues, IRQ conflicts, etc, etc , ad nauseum, I conver= ted to Mac.
All I can say is I don=92t know why I didn=92t do this long ago. = I bought the newest Macbook Pro, upgraded processor, memory, and flash dri= ve.  I=92m loving it!   I had no idea what I was missing.
--_000_CC17906E5FC37jefflarsonsailpointcom_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 23:35:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D47F1834AD; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 23:35:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4lYR5IVThRW5IdQKApdlLv8QH44tbTjfqLDX78KEbYQ=; b=XNau+s6LBzOk73H8ECHmCDoNPm9mEj8UI4ncAWIfJgSmhQtU7SPG78ceOUSSRaSTM1 flz1roEYzCmdBHDUNWZ4pnglU1sze3xi/nUB5jMoepCWCJLomuKlwrFFBWo1fE1OKyTL EXQdrMKkqycTL8fuD1tbNkZJkwIKql+JE1PppUi8T4dyD58nb35o1AH3rbi3YphwNBLP 19KVfAB5pEjbPDxiylHaAUMQUfXM/is81+ByQYJFBy5RYsnTnfWvAae3hmQQTQM6uvJR 9iLWOvKE8/RCvZl+t49LXcJPt8jZVqzMM/15hKGv3zrVqfJJNnnr4VlISTP8SEULKbK4 rR7A== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 16:35:40 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Conversion to Mac! From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 23:35:41 +0000 (UTC) I believe Sound Forge is finally coming to the MAC (nasty teaser site thought to be from Sony http://www.finallyonthemac.com/) Of course, who knows when but still, this rumor isn't really a bad one to spread. Kevin On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Jeff Larson wro= te: > I started using a Mac as my daily work machine a few months ago, there ar= e > only two things I miss. > > First the copy/paste keys are Command-C and Command-V rather than Control= -C > and Control-V and > I haven't found a good way to map them. I get used to it but it drives m= e > nuts when I have > to switch between a Mac and a PC. > > Second, I can't stand Finder and the file chooser dialogs. I am a fast > typist, when I want a file the easiest > way for me is to type in the name and have the OS do auto-complete. Not = on > a Mac. Oh no, you're > not supposed to TYPE on a Mac, you're supposed to wiggle and scroll and > click for 5 minutes over a deep directory tree. > And if you want to search, by golly of course you want to search the ENTI= RE > file system, not the directory you > are currently in. Yes there's that goofy button under the search box whe= re > you can select to search in just > the folder, why the hell isn't this the default? > > Using any media file that isn't in an Officially Sanctioned Apple Format > (Quicktime) is a bit of a pain, > but there are 3rd party apps. There are no games but you can use Bootc= amp > if you have enough disk. > > Oh and SoundFourge. There is not a single commercial or free Mac sound > editor that works as well > as SoundFourge and don't waste time suggesting Ardor. I still do all my > .wav file editing on a PC > if I can. > > If you do any C++ development, Xcode just flat out sucks compared to Visu= al > Studio. I also find Apple's > online docs much harder to use than MSDN. > > On the plus side Logic and Mainstage are great and hibernate just works. = I > have never had a > PC laptop that could come out of hibernation reliably. > > Overall I'm happy with the switch and I'd do it again. > > Jeff > > > > From: Kris Hartung > Reply-To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > > Date: Monday, July 2, 2012 5:42 PM > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > > Subject: Conversion to Mac! > Resent-From: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > > Resent-Date: Monday, July 2, 2012 5:42 PM > > Well, I did it...after 10 years of struggling and fighting with the PC an= d > music making, countless crashes, blue screens of death, compatibility > errors, installation issues, IRQ conflicts, etc, etc , ad nauseum, I > converted to Mac. > All I can say is I don=92t know why I didn=92t do this long ago. I bough= t the > newest Macbook Pro, upgraded processor, memory, and flash drive. I=92m l= oving > it! I had no idea what I was missing. --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 23:58:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B48561834AC; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 23:58:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=IracWQTSBLnsnKx9eglb0+AvB4VLzhsM/k1dq75kjcU=; b=KEpBMMfRPfJjh1UkC8nHxpiKv/PqVrKe9ovmj6Jo+Uk+ysPvPwFvg0bKvHXV4xWqsS 0wb3grbUz0aAJKWmyd18Fh1WZ8o1NYQJAO4jLO50omBpMF3zrfvEP+mu2zqi5EtjlZ3P tBYbtL9eQoj2vhR2m8eN5qrLyBuGD+LwItlZtXlY0/Ku0lUY84WItMaUudDtzkq/TjOn 4OKKMESTtniQQS5/cBzSiY8S+INqng95SQhEBoSBhu1ULrZfz7BHKI2NlYkMZo/xL+0Y PIxhLo7Ehjs/1JZnCttVFj/hR6DwPDbwYZktPXJBBFH7K6ITsd301zRhZrlILnTRqE8d GMfQ== Subject: Re: Conversion to Mac! References: From: Todd Reynolds Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3F39FD89-C180-4D7C-8287-859E93B81136 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 19:57:52 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: <-Xcv1D.A.8aH.OWj8PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 23:58:06 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3F39FD89-C180-4D7C-8287-859E93B81136 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Jeff, grab quicksilver. It's a finder godsend. Alfred works too.=20 Sent from my iPhone On Jul 2, 2012, at 7:14 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > I started using a Mac as my daily work machine a few months ago, there are= only two things I miss. >=20 > First the copy/paste keys are Command-C and Command-V rather than Control-= C and Control-V and > I haven't found a good way to map them. I get used to it but it drives me= nuts when I have > to switch between a Mac and a PC. >=20 > Second, I can't stand Finder and the file chooser dialogs. I am a fast ty= pist, when I want a file the easiest > way for me is to type in the name and have the OS do auto-complete. Not o= n a Mac. Oh no, you're > not supposed to TYPE on a Mac, you're supposed to wiggle and scroll and cl= ick for 5 minutes over a deep directory tree. > And if you want to search, by golly of course you want to search the ENTIR= E file system, not the directory you > are currently in. Yes there's that goofy button under the search box wher= e you can select to search in just > the folder, why the hell isn't this the default? >=20 > Using any media file that isn't in an Officially Sanctioned Apple Format (= Quicktime) is a bit of a pain,=20 > but there are 3rd party apps. There are no games but you can use Bootca= mp if you have enough disk. >=20 > Oh and SoundFourge. There is not a single commercial or free Mac sound ed= itor that works as well > as SoundFourge and don't waste time suggesting Ardor. I still do all my .= wav file editing on a PC=20 > if I can. >=20 > If you do any C++ development, Xcode just flat out sucks compared to Visua= l Studio. I also find Apple's > online docs much harder to use than MSDN. =20 >=20 > On the plus side Logic and Mainstage are great and hibernate just works. I= have never had a=20 > PC laptop that could come out of hibernation reliably. =20 >=20 > Overall I'm happy with the switch and I'd do it again. >=20 > Jeff >=20 >=20 >=20 > From: Kris Hartung > Reply-To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > Date: Monday, July 2, 2012 5:42 PM > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > Subject: Conversion to Mac! > Resent-From: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > Resent-Date: Monday, July 2, 2012 5:42 PM >=20 > Well, I did it...after 10 years of struggling and fighting with the PC and= music making, countless crashes, blue screens of death, compatibility error= s, installation issues, IRQ conflicts, etc, etc , ad nauseum, I converted to= Mac. > All I can say is I don=E2=80=99t know why I didn=E2=80=99t do this long ag= o. I bought the newest Macbook Pro, upgraded processor, memory, and flash d= rive. I=E2=80=99m loving it! I had no idea what I was missing. --Apple-Mail-3F39FD89-C180-4D7C-8287-859E93B81136 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Jeff, grab quicksilver. It= 's a finder godsend. Alfred works too. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 2, 2012, at 7:14 PM, Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> wrote:

I started using a Mac as my daily work machine a few months ago, there a= re only two things I miss.

First the copy/paste keys are Command-C and Command-V rather than Contr= ol-C and Control-V and
I haven't found a good way to map them.  I get used to it but it d= rives me nuts when I have
to switch between a Mac and a PC.

Second, I can't stand Finder and the file chooser dialogs.  I am a= fast typist, when I want a file the easiest
way for me is to type in the name and have the OS do auto-complete. &nb= sp;Not on a Mac.  Oh no, you're
not supposed to TYPE on a Mac, you're supposed to wiggle and scroll and= click for 5 minutes over a deep directory tree.
And if you want to search, by golly of course you want to search the EN= TIRE file system, not the directory you
are currently in.  Yes there's that goofy button under the search b= ox where you can select to search in just
the folder, why the hell isn't this the default?

Using any media file that isn't in an Officially Sanctioned Apple Forma= t (Quicktime)  is a bit of a pain, 
but there are 3rd party apps.    There are no games but you c= an use Bootcamp if you have enough disk.

Oh and SoundFourge.  There is not a single commercial or free Mac s= ound editor that works as well
as SoundFourge and don't waste time suggesting Ardor.  I still do a= ll my .wav file editing on a PC 
if I can.

If you do any C++ development, Xcode just flat out sucks compared to Vi= sual Studio.  I also find Apple's
online docs much harder to use than MSDN.  

On the plus side Logic and Mainstage are great and hibernate just works= .  I have never had a 
PC laptop that could come out of hibernation reliably.  

Overall I'm happy with the switch and I'd do it again.

Jeff



From: Kris Hartung <krispen.hartung@gmail.com>
Reply-To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <<= a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com>
Date: Monday, July 2, 2012 5:42 PM To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-deli= ght.com>
Subject: Conversion to Mac!
Resent-From: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" &l= t;Loopers-Delight@loo= pers-delight.com>
Resent-Date: Monday, July 2, 2012 5:= 42 PM

Well, I did it...after 10 years of struggling and fighting with the PC a= nd music making, countless crashes, blue screens of death, compatibility err= ors, installation issues, IRQ conflicts, etc, etc , ad nauseum, I converted t= o Mac.
All I can say is I don=E2=80=99t know why I didn=E2=80=99t do this long= ago.  I bought the newest Macbook Pro, upgraded processor, memory, and= flash drive.  I=E2=80=99m loving it!   I had no idea what I w= as missing.
= --Apple-Mail-3F39FD89-C180-4D7C-8287-859E93B81136-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 00:09:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5C361834A8; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 00:09:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 227918.48368.bm@omp1049.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1341274189; bh=1PvhPK2Gj6setybOfC5VYmOaSkLmjyLC/bc2QV5DuSM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Q5Yc7SA4ICzt5oE54Y6dLOS9WIJvqOJybd3kmzc799iLNIanDAiIs0RZ2oKYsz523pdoz+ZjaoWNq+qWAVi9jC0AGspz7cDc8y8AiDK6gnVBKk8uuin/8xHp3af3FT2bgbKwPE27bGscydOMpwouP8r8fOYj73XTrvCq8eqRNHc= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HCac8Wne3Hh5Uq5GFgPWXg0MUFM73CuzwbSBFrf9jq5Pa6ejEuIwaaTycmWvCkVSOBcduJ68VC1WYMOCn1Xdp9SFYawxjkoMbLsBbqBkVkWCkeUVTrSU0Ry7ISvbrSpjPgdp5v9hUagByf0pul86nrettn5VEvApOkVp8X3Dza8=; X-YMail-OSG: gFzg9igVM1k7WG_SSaQ0bjvCIbWhkWqBky4fIghwJMdLGHb eT972pqCjFwHddjtIQ.cRcjLIJQfUfyv_dmLwb4ipUQ9c61RO21CAzYPSh7n G77a9uDaCkdkIfqk3M12QZo3UgGn3aPdG5C0pPH7SYmM3mzuUZkGBmVOtAWd PlxbCucTOc.XbAGEADsPkUjrLXw7B1N1imGz1N4fPqHtRvCrg111lnG2jWWn IkdCXiMtAgeN50qGHRqDSrv78U089Ns9jInujyIAy3Wrl8.yR3sF0NHnX6mK 3PhTwRAd_ukUO_KBPqIFCXa7qZc5ROK95mFQCKWqmjOA4Yk3PdTCu.adjXnK Nw2cKimg8BsnwM7F6Wg7Vqn9Ztazbi.gwESUfOzYGHvZDZ8wtMMpjaneQfdB QY2d3aVduYTHsdtNlnzhwEQ18Ad.pet4BpXkPyD7bRGwLZjacyQsyUelfrUK hBPr.IEUCl0JuQFpSa0knd9lUQP.D0lKZIgVCKzOSdqZy18DWXq1nk6wSp4W 4g7XfmohfOz.9xIWnx8lR62C7C8bcLVQ3kSoc1oHRsYcergjl1PWgEetLhvL uMiBrBP964za.veW7qmOaFz3akEiPkbcDgRg6se_nEalAtNBwCj.ZsQ.Yp.V J7ea7URNoTn.NAKzb3hctK.ShDPpdd1ANnlXCcn8snAkpw52Hb66sucAUINk ThD_JneJKLvXURXo52XF5VuBhpDOlh6oEyueXohT4oOILqWGX8sMyBocQLTq azYgT41sAyE1m0eP_Gu6httdWMiaIY_ayjF_1AwZgAENxUwtrUECX2oHetCu GDnwVE1Um68we0zrFw_h.fokzbSJ1yOk3g_Gs4gDZqSffRQoxhN7NU2XHdGR 8tR0LTFKljqz6U0j6J87JUYRdS09sFUC2RgP9zSBLXg-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4FF21BB9.4050005@cruzio.com> Message-ID: <1341274189.12616.YahooMailNeo@web32506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 17:09:49 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Conversion to Mac! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1118611504-514850415-1341274189=:12616" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 00:09:51 +0000 (UTC) ---1118611504-514850415-1341274189=:12616 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have used "other people's computers for years. 2 years ago, I finally bou= ght an I-mac. Should have waited 6 months. 8gig RAM instead of 4. Oh well, = you gotta get on the train sometime. I wouldn't go any other way. This thin= g is lightning fast compared to all the PCs I've worked with. I'm sure it's= not the fault of the PC,but it is true nevertheless. =0ARig=0A=0A=0A______= __________________________=0A From: Jim Goodin = =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Monday, July 2, 2012 4:= 07 PM=0ASubject: Re: Conversion to Mac!=0A =0A=0Aecho'ing congrats Kris. = =C2=A0I converted several years ago, though support Windows users in my day= job and some family members.=C2=A0 I think OS X.xxx for Apple, they finall= y arrived.=C2=A0 I do feel saddened by what the news reports in the factori= es that build the stuff however but it's hard to negate the product.=0A=C2= =A0=0AJim=0A=0A=0AOn Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Dennis Moser wrote:=0A=0AAnd if you really feel the need, load Parallels a= nd run Windows =E2=80=A6=0A>=0A>Congratulations!=0A>=0A>Dennis=0A>=0A>http:= //soundcloud.com/usrsbin=0A>http://audiozoloft.com=0A>http://usrslashsbin.a= ngrek.com/=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Kris Hartung wrote:=0A>> Well, I did it...after 10 years of stru= ggling and fighting with the PC and=0A>> music making, countless crashes, b= lue screens of death, compatibility=0A>> errors, installation issues, IRQ c= onflicts, etc, etc , ad nauseum, I=0A>> converted to Mac.=0A>> All I can sa= y is I don=E2=80=99t know why I didn=E2=80=99t do this long ago. =C2=A0I bo= ught the=0A>> newest Macbook Pro, upgraded processor, memory, and flash dri= ve. =C2=A0I=E2=80=99m loving=0A>> it! =C2=A0 I had no idea what I was missi= ng.=0A>=0A>=0A=0A=0A-- =0A=0A-- =0Ajimgoodin.com - 'Acoustic guitar renaiss= ance, color blue, repetitive minimalism'=0A=C2=A0=0AFrom Brooklyn To Glindr= an, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=C3=B6rn.=C2=A0= Proceeds from this CD will benefit JDRF International=0A=0ATips Across the= Waters, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. ---1118611504-514850415-1341274189=:12616 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have used "other people's computers for years. 2 years ago, I fi= nally bought an I-mac. Should have waited 6 months. 8gig RAM instead of 4. = Oh well, you gotta get on the train sometime. I wouldn't go any other w= ay. This thing is lightning fast compared to all the PCs I've worked wi= th. I'm sure it's not the fault of the PC,but it is true neverthele= ss.
Rig

From: Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-deligh= t.com
Sent: Monday, J= uly 2, 2012 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: Conversion to Mac!

=0A
= echo'ing congrats Kris. =C2=A0I converted several years ago, though sup= port Windows users in my day job and some family members.=C2=A0 I think OS = X.xxx for Apple, they finally arrived.=C2=A0 I do feel saddened by what the= news reports in the factories that build the stuff however but it's ha= rd to negate the product.
=0A
=C2=A0
Jim

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Denni= s Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> wrote:
=0A
And if you really feel the need, load Parallels and run Windows = =E2=80=A6
=0A=0A
=0ACongratulations!
=0A
=0ADennis
=0A
= =0Ahttp://soundcloud.com/usrsbin
=0Ahttp://audiozoloft.com
=0Ahttp://= usrslashsbin.angrek.com/
=0A

=0A
=0AOn Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Kris Ha= rtung <krispen.hartung= @gmail.com> wrote:
=0A> Well, I did it...after 10 years of str= uggling and fighting with the PC and
=0A> music making, countless cra= shes, blue screens of death, compatibility
=0A> errors, installation = issues, IRQ conflicts, etc, etc , ad nauseum, I
=0A> converted to Mac= .
=0A> All I can say is I don=E2=80=99t know why I didn=E2=80=99t do = this long ago. =C2=A0I bought the
=0A> newest Macbook Pro, upgraded p= rocessor, memory, and flash drive. =C2=A0I=E2=80=99m loving
=0A> it! = =C2=A0 I had no idea what I was missing.
=0A
=0A



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Tips Across t= he Waters, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.=

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---1118611504-514850415-1341274189=:12616-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 02:33:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EAE11834B4; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 02:33:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=V0xh9rGbiJyUog0+yuum/zNkTJ1B2QS/qreDIV7TArM=; b=mgqGK0JAvpz25G1o9EPrTZ7s//74TzF4DBXuTX6ZK5ff2RU4AfNphv9Q6RDYkdZgyc eCx88Oc0IzaHb0NMOr31JUl/29973ZXTKbO5+u8h9HuKHBU+J2EwKczzdcRHIVOac5ka 0VVjiAeMat7P4rWxQs7ZPh3UEmKeaUVILNxUollLWB17MFCHKl+h2DLYAIVclAOzUQjE Ta3UBeoSUAIOmrP4aCM7qL62K1ChVqHhF8YwQnp+F7q14LKljTP/u5Rwm4P6I37l5Yce 7iHpPj+U/i/x6eqln1WP4Kt5EEw/drBNh0XuBDUoq67cj+oS+9O/I1f52SbCsBsR/Gqj 1gRQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 19:33:17 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Cheap Promotion From: "kay'lon rushing" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f234d09b373b204c3e3bc57 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 02:33:18 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f234d09b373b204c3e3bc57 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 My friend and I were at best buy for a long time today, of course not expecting to be able to afford anything they sell lol, but we were checking out all the computers and tablets and got this funny idea. We decided that since the majority of the working demo laptops and tablets were connected to the internet, we would "test" a bunch of them out and "coincidentally" leave them with one of my live looping videos full screened on youtube so that the next person to check out that device might come across my music. It probably didnt get me any more online fans but it was worth a try haha. --e89a8f234d09b373b204c3e3bc57 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

My friend and I were at best buy for a long time today, of course not ex= pecting to be able to afford anything they sell lol, but we were checking o= ut all the computers and tablets and got this funny idea. We decided that s= ince the majority of the working demo laptops and tablets were connected to= the internet, we would "test" a bunch of them out and "coin= cidentally" leave them with one of my live looping videos full screene= d on youtube so that the next person to check out that device might come ac= ross my music. It probably didnt get me any more online fans but it was wor= th a try haha.

--e89a8f234d09b373b204c3e3bc57-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 04:04:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE8331834B8; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 04:04:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_90d1d733-5b38-4b72-a517-026bdeff6b81_" X-Originating-IP: [86.153.221.83] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Conversion to Mac! Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 04:04:16 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2012 04:04:16.0839 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA25A570:01CD58D0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 04:04:18 +0000 (UTC) --_90d1d733-5b38-4b72-a517-026bdeff6b81_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I use mainly mac now too - less time gaffing about with techie stuff is goo= d news for me. I really miss the 3rd party plugins though. This is massive = loss for me. Apple's iron grip just doesn't lend itself to the groundswell = developer scene that the humble PC has in droves.My apple look better than = my VAIO on paper=2C (processor speed=2C more cores=2C more ram etc) but whe= n I run windows on it using bootcamp=2C the VAIO beats it hands down. Anyon= e know why? peace g Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk From: jeff.larson@sailpoint.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Conversion to Mac! Date: Mon=2C 2 Jul 2012 23:14:58 +0000 I started using a Mac as my daily work machine a few months ago=2C there ar= e only two things I miss. First the copy/paste keys are Command-C and Command-V rather than Control-C= and Control-V and I haven't found a good way to map them. I get used to it but it drives me = nuts when I have to switch between a Mac and a PC. Second=2C I can't stand Finder and the file chooser dialogs. I am a fast t= ypist=2C when I want a file the easiest way for me is to type in the name and have the OS do auto-complete. Not on= a Mac. Oh no=2C you're not supposed to TYPE on a Mac=2C you're supposed to wiggle and scroll and c= lick for 5 minutes over a deep directory tree. And if you want to search=2C by golly of course you want to search the ENTI= RE file system=2C not the directory you are currently in. Yes there's that goofy button under the search box where= you can select to search in just the folder=2C why the hell isn't this the default? Using any media file that isn't in an Officially Sanctioned Apple Format (Q= uicktime) is a bit of a pain=2C=20 but there are 3rd party apps. There are no games but you can use Bootcam= p if you have enough disk. Oh and SoundFourge. There is not a single commercial or free Mac sound edi= tor that works as well as SoundFourge and don't waste time suggesting Ardor. I still do all my .w= av file editing on a PC=20 if I can. If you do any C++ development=2C Xcode just flat out sucks compared to Visu= al Studio. I also find Apple's online docs much harder to use than MSDN. =20 On the plus side Logic and Mainstage are great and hibernate just works. I= have never had a=20 PC laptop that could come out of hibernation reliably. =20 Overall I'm happy with the switch and I'd do it again. Jeff From: Kris Hartung Reply-To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Monday=2C July 2=2C 2012 5:42 PM To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Conversion to Mac! Resent-From: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Date: Monday=2C July 2=2C 2012 5:42 PM Well=2C I did it...after 10 years of struggling and fighting with the PC an= d music making=2C countless crashes=2C blue screens of death=2C compatibili= ty errors=2C installation issues=2C IRQ conflicts=2C etc=2C etc =2C ad naus= eum=2C I converted to Mac. All I can say is I don=92t know why I didn=92t do this long ago. I bought = the newest Macbook Pro=2C upgraded processor=2C memory=2C and flash drive. = I=92m loving it! I had no idea what I was missing. = --_90d1d733-5b38-4b72-a517-026bdeff6b81_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I use mainly mac now too - less time gaffing about with techie stuff is goo= d news for me. I really miss the 3rd party plugins though. This is massive = loss for me. Apple's iron grip just doesn't lend itself to the groundswell = developer scene that the humble PC has in droves.
My apple look better = than my VAIO on paper=2C (processor speed=2C more cores=2C more ram etc) bu= t when I run windows on it using bootcamp=2C the VAIO beats it hands down. = Anyone know why?

peace

g<= br>
Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk


From: jeff.larson@sailpoint.= com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Conversion t= o Mac!
Date: Mon=2C 2 Jul 2012 23:14:58 +0000

I started using a Mac as my daily work machine a few months ago=2C the= re are only two things I miss.

First the copy/paste keys are Command-C and Command-V rather than Cont= rol-C and Control-V and
I haven't found a good way to map them.  =3BI get used to it but i= t drives me nuts when I have
to switch between a Mac and a PC.

Second=2C I can't stand Finder and the file chooser dialogs.  =3BI= am a fast typist=2C when I want a file the easiest
way for me is to type in the name and have the OS do auto-complete. &n= bsp=3BNot on a Mac.  =3BOh no=2C you're
not supposed to TYPE on a Mac=2C you're supposed to wiggle and scroll = and click for 5 minutes over a deep directory tree.
And if you want to search=2C by golly of course you want to search the= ENTIRE file system=2C not the directory you
are currently in.  =3BYes there's that goofy button under the sear= ch box where you can select to search in just
the folder=2C why the hell isn't this the default?

Using any media file that isn't in an Officially Sanctioned Apple Form= at (Quicktime)  =3Bis a bit of a pain=2C =3B
but there are 3rd party apps.  =3B  =3BThere are no games but = you can use Bootcamp if you have enough disk.

Oh and SoundFourge.  =3BThere is not a single commercial or free M= ac sound editor that works as well
as SoundFourge and don't waste time suggesting Ardor.  =3BI still = do all my .wav file editing on a PC =3B
if I can.

If you do any C++ development=2C Xcode just flat out sucks compared to= Visual Studio.  =3BI also find Apple's
online docs much harder to use than MSDN.  =3B

On the plus side Logic and Mainstage are great and hibernate just work= s.  =3BI have never had a =3B
PC laptop that could come out of hibernation reliably.  =3B

Overall I'm happy with the switch and I'd do it again.

Jeff



From: Kris Hartung <=3Bkrispen.hartung@gmail.com>=3B
Reply-To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <= =3BLoopers-Delight@l= oopers-delight.com>=3B
Date: Monday=2C July 2=2C 2012 5:42= PM
To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <=3BLoopers-Delight@loopers= -delight.com>=3B
Subject: Conversion to Mac!
Resent-From: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" = <=3BLoopers-Deligh= t@loopers-delight.com>=3B
Resent-Date: Monday=2C July 2=2C 20= 12 5:42 PM

Well=2C I did it...after 10 years of struggling and fighting with the = PC and music making=2C countless crashes=2C blue screens of death=2C compat= ibility errors=2C installation issues=2C IRQ conflicts=2C etc=2C etc =2C ad= nauseum=2C I converted to Mac.
All I can say is I don=92t know why I didn=92t do this long ago. = =3B I bought the newest Macbook Pro=2C upgraded processor=2C memory=2C and = flash drive. =3B I=92m loving it! =3B =3B I had no idea what I = was missing.
= --_90d1d733-5b38-4b72-a517-026bdeff6b81_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 10:52:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 293EF1834B6; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 10:52:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=/jVZtisv4GVQOv6ZITCDLv3ODeFinZ84DWDWXo7l4vI=; b=frVTioVG5bP5YS2KEa1lXqwdDKN3IifDyEKZqMtRN7B+bu6j+n+5yJs/2nl3GC3JBD oguwULB+pU3N/ENFu555KUK+Blu8bfGQnjCQBA2etyOxrKlxY1wWlK5Hl76LdF+lmGO0 G8JKzWAocbKsK58QNzR5CKfDHXvPnkDTNKNK9BeiUAFwPNac8nhnv08I/W59gVsJolK/ 9nNcUz2+yAuUm3ux7iTTfTzPE7pubqfeXYGae2TtRwyqBB752W6QtZUTgypAEJFBzUq3 lNLV+SyMqY8Zf8MlC/cNo8CVcFT7DxoI06LlTblNi3336SWnCHuw5ydxUwa2oF/hkIno AjXw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 12:52:42 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cheap Promotion From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 10:52:43 +0000 (UTC) You have joined the underground squad of gerilla promoters ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 4:33 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > My friend and I were at best buy for a long time today, of course not > expecting to be able to afford anything they sell lol, but we were checking > out all the computers and tablets and got this funny idea. We decided that > since the majority of the working demo laptops and tablets were connected to > the internet, we would "test" a bunch of them out and "coincidentally" leave > them with one of my live looping videos full screened on youtube so that the > next person to check out that device might come across my music. It probably > didnt get me any more online fans but it was worth a try haha. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 12:13:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B0E71834BA; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 12:13:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 334730.94359.bm@omp1067.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1341317597; bh=h2WQpGSb5nZ9Ts7H4w+TYMXOgrEmsp6TqwFvd/7Kogk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=agH0yWXeOpjq5gxAFF9Ep7SotRrz6TgmYtZSZhum/bPCqQkrvTDUSAMAlBlNXHLSAI4OJmbQGcb1lEpjrgSMg6s3uDeQVan1IpI+y5Yo7ymGbR5hWO2kakS1oG1LJJg32UqRO+ksp8wqeo/erdTvXFMNiAZHysDuN/+wCSyVl7w= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=iGGRGq99iGSoYLGUmxXJPi79p1zAJtB6fYTQRJAguBg7nSTc5mhlcODZl4Fbw4hltdKDj+zqBx97FvmQbSSZ+goHOe8I4lwmIXKXAO/umw/+xnMPi4DpANKuOx+AzFTKWw/md++NmGiBm2bFIbkiU38PSWrC1hg3az6e9+VlL9Q=; X-YMail-OSG: gEr7BMsVM1kP4wAcg3X2tB3vl2Dd.7FE52Dhz22TZpjPP7r mXNbnLM7YWQ6ZnVTtdBj9x7cM_ibfQpxeOQqXE9ziNNAii.cbhzaaEsi0l7f SD63DDTru1wiit0CbrI8KQ2ALmcgNc8c83uIPGxguvVRrsJCBt_a6MlwPOKn 766hOPBL98Umk6xyzgr3oyhuIIRrjUxcJnn0YAEEp77R7QT8lP9Cp6NDgYgZ 1LB_nXzQXn9pPou5U.3SD4zn2AYl9CF6EAbDJ6nTRqaN1bYxP5IJ5rtBNYKS HPLiJOp8FYH4d.oWDrhhfpQIB1besJg6bOkI0BBlKGruEeWIzP79w1A_b4OM 4ELtRJxW9e0vONt8I1iAQNFEBUAB3S1.7m5VZXh5ENLAq0qnhg9TLDki89X7 nM._6yFTexebEKVpFuotWeCo3S6Oi1Qdk03foW2S1UZfIggYmzXjg5yPilSF 0olbP9KEzSfNFZ6KT.vd1lQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: Message-ID: <1341317597.19121.YahooMailNeo@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 05:13:17 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Cheap Promotion To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-820900331-955235852-1341317597=:19121" Resent-Message-ID: <6UHRUD.A.f1E.eHu8PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 12:13:18 +0000 (UTC) ---820900331-955235852-1341317597=:19121 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rig ________________________________ From: kay'lon rushing To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Sent: Monday, July 2, 2012 7:33 PM Subject: Cheap Promotion My friend and I were at best buy for a long time today, of course not expecting to be able to afford anything they sell lol, but we were checking out all the computers and tablets and got this funny idea. We decided that since the majority of the working demo laptops and tablets were connected to the internet, we would "test" a bunch of them out and "coincidentally" leave them with one of my live looping videos full screened on youtube so that the next person to check out that device might come across my music. It probably didnt get me any more online fans but it was worth a try haha. ---820900331-955235852-1341317597=:19121 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From: kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com>
To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Monday, July 2, 2012 7:33 PM
Subject: Cheap Promotion

My friend and I were at best buy for a long time today, of course not expecting to be able to afford anything they sell lol, but we were checking out all the computers and tablets and got this funny idea. We decided that since the majority of the working demo laptops and tablets were connected to the internet, we would "test" a bunch of them out and "coincidentally" leave them with one of my live looping videos full screened on youtube so that the next person to check out that device might come across my music. It probably didnt get me any more online fans but it was worth a try haha.



---820900331-955235852-1341317597=:19121-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 12:47:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 855441834AD; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 12:47:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1341319643; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=PLczfnQom+T60tpX1KEuD+xsB1o=; b=p5lYq6o/DzXjzePTlQpZkgi9HUQ0mAuCBekst/uMajT7b/6VkdvgL9Q3ZhdLN1Qv tWzBmu0xAvBoAD+ob5JNWtaGvzdRGOCTz68EEnOPUq8tizn6G/QWah7LL5oLJoYz; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Obca/2vY c=1 sm=0 a=MKkRiUBfbm8A:10 a=FKkrIqjQGGEA:10 a=1poGYrevpj8A:10 a=1oqGTYSLAAAA:8 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=m0g1RTNagB_nRIdl_KsA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=Hhc/OnKmOS1xKI2oHPQhqg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 08:47:23 -0400 (EDT) From: EDWARD YUHAS Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <1142419301.805310.1341319643564.JavaMail.root@md12.embarq.synacor.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Cheap Promotion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_805309_1058796449.1341319643563" X-Originating-IP: [129.139.1.69] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.5_GA_2328.RHEL5_64 (ZimbraWebClient - IE8 (Win)/6.0.15_GA_2995) Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 12:47:24 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_805309_1058796449.1341319643563 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ha ha! I've done this for my ambient project "Groupthink" while I'm in the Apple Store! Right to our download site...Orwell would be sooo proud of the subliminal influence ;-) Edward in NJ ----- Original Message ----- My friend and I were at best buy for a long time today, of course not expecting to be able to afford anything they sell lol, but we were checking out all the computers and tablets and got this funny idea. We decided that since the majority of the working demo laptops and tablets were connected to the internet, we would "test" a bunch of them out and "coincidentally" leave them with one of my live looping videos full screened on youtube so that the next person to check out that device might come across my music. It probably didnt get me any more online fans but it was worth a try haha. ------=_Part_805309_1058796449.1341319643563 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Ha ha! I've done this for my ambient project "Groupthink" while I'm in the Apple Store! Right to our download site...Orwell would be sooo proud of the subliminal influence ;-)

 

Edward in NJ


My friend and I were at best buy for a long time today, of course not expecting to be able to afford anything they sell lol, but we were checking out all the computers and tablets and got this funny idea. We decided that since the majority of the working demo laptops and tablets were connected to the internet, we would "test" a bunch of them out and "coincidentally" leave them with one of my live looping videos full screened on youtube so that the next person to check out that device might come across my music. It probably didnt get me any more online fans but it was worth a try haha.

------=_Part_805309_1058796449.1341319643563-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 12:56:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD1BE1834B4; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 12:56:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1341320194; bh=wsRPgdJ8Y5IO6R+rmmUM9OigtQ6jx9CphfqLfZAVc1s=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Date:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer; b=iFn1emzRB9p3RVWQA1i0P24DZBSKXclEwY6PBIYz2SZoxPeRqgu5ttZKarShS1yaOcH18YCvMnE3sqbll9ylxFjUWjCQjXIZA9dfgjmKQkylLV1LKUeFxKqLvqCDnBoz5l3CnyGriKIVtlxbgTfRoM7BOgfqyIBi9fHeJfVnog0= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 367256.68194.bm@smtp144.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: BIPuZDAVM1mF.Y1twgmnBbeGxRyC_BZmB5Vt_2qQ8jeGtnF .Zu9MViAtL4NTKZV.gofknXtrnvWduR2l5Vk6h255aOmS4x95iEiqP6LVheN y4krvPWp09rexhTnqjpoCT650qxCX2CmvQSBwOlOyXBKI_.s3du1.Q5pzw_T V5AqaC5WMEvCwa9bwFB.Oq5SBamWMbcCWuII3K_tHprB5h5pkxR2vtuqJXqJ TM5u.6b4gHeDu0LXAJWIJ9.SDtLBshuXlsn6EsN3w1pdfT.353Pe5HWFJcS7 lcS6XG8Y5gacdaNhmf2TMR7s_oy.brwL8FnVcxnyuPf5_4MzdpIHqR4k05i0 1NfBk8msX9_N52nx4t2w_FTgbRVm8Di8T.wJVyB0xNVKbpWirtpSx_19VSFd lefidpfloSXE.Mtd.tNHZssNK X-Yahoo-SMTP: 75CdczOswBChen.W3AbLhaW8TlC96TVo5w-- From: Ben To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 14:56:33 +0200 Subject: Re: Conversion to Mac! In-Reply-To: References: <4FF21BB9.4050005@cruzio.com> Message-Id: <20120703145633.85BDE978.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: nPOPuk Ver 2.16 Resent-Message-ID: <1LxwO.A.iWF.Dwu8PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 12:56:35 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------------------------- "Kris Hartung" wrote: (03/07/2012 00:42) > I converted to Mac. > All I can say is I don=E2=80=99t know why I didn=E2=80=99t do this long a= go.=20 Hi Kris, I thought you worked for a big PC manufacturer. am I wrong=3F Ben From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 13:00:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8DA71834C3; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 13:00:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A0B0203.4FF2ECEC.007F,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-libjamoibt: 1821 Message-ID: <20584949.1179461341320427967.JavaMail.root@wmail66> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 15:00:27 +0200 (CEST) From: Massimo Liverani Reply-To: Massimo Liverani To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?The_5=C2=B0_Florence_Live_Looping_Festival?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_95703_22289656.1341320427966" X-SenderIP: 85.47.237.138 X-libjamv: zmeRnOUuJVw= X-libjamsun: z2FGOEo6GMVyu9uf4T7fyDFnvZoyUXTY Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 13:00:29 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_95703_22289656.1341320427966 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A unique opportunity to see musicians from around the world participating i= n an absolutely free for a festivalwhich is becoming an important and recog= nized at international level.The 'live looping' is a very interesting form = of structured improvisation that takes the listener through overlapping sou= ndfascinating to listen to evolving sonic textures.Needless to say that eve= ry performance is unique and unrepeatable. Officine C.R.O.M.A. & Cambiamusica! are proud to announce V=C2=B0 FLLF= Florence Live Looping Festival Y2KXII International Live Looping Festiva= l affiliatedTeatro blu - Parco dell'anconellaFirenze 9 pm free entrance Sabato 14 Luglio: 1 Antony Hequet (Guitars =E2=80=93 France)2 Georgina Brett (Voice- England)3 Michael Peters (Guitars - Germany)4 Pako Mondragon (Guitar,Voice =E2=80=93 Mexico)5 Randof Arriola (Guitars =E2=80=93 Singapore), Domenica 15 Luglio:1 Lucho Prado (solochiman) (guitars =E2=80=93 Chile/Cesena)2 Riccardo Masala Spaggiari (Masala) (Percussions - Reggio Emilia)3 Fabio Anile (keyboards - Roma) 4 Croma Art Ensemble - (Firenze) Thanks to Fabio Anile=20 =20 ------=_Part_95703_22289656.1341320427966 Content-Type: text/html;charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

A unique opportunity to see musicians from around t= he world participating in an absolutely free for a festival

which is becoming an imp= ortant and recognized at international level.

The 'live looping' is a very interesti= ng form of structured improvisation that takes the listener through overlap= ping sound

Needless to say that every perfo= rmance is unique and unrepeatable.



<= br>

Officine C.R.O.M.A. = & Cambiamusica! 

V=C2=B0 FLLF Florence Live Looping Festival

&= nbsp; Y2KX= II International Live Looping Festival affiliated

Teatro blu= - Parco dell'anconella

Firenze 9 pm

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free = entrance


Sabato 14 Luglio:

1 Antony Hequet (Guitars =E2=80=93 France)

2 Geor= gina Brett (Voice- England)

3 Michael Peters (Guitars - Germany)

4 P= ako Mondragon (Guitar,Voice =E2=80=93 Mexico)

5 Randof Arriola (Guitars =E2=80=93 Singapore),


Domenica 15 Luglio:

1 Lucho Prado (solochiman) (guitars =E2=80=93 Chile/Cesena)

2 Riccardo Masala Spaggiari (Masala) (Percussions - Reggio Emilia)

3 Fabio Anile (keyboards - Roma)

4 Croma Art Ensemble - (Firenze)


Thanks to Fa= bio Anile 


 






------=_Part_95703_22289656.1341320427966-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 13:20:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A7F11834C0; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 13:20:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=apOMyL8SAx/idPLb4ZDozWgYeTm7veaMcGABxE2v2RU=; b=ptGx36AkfxIPNWPc+dYV43kKuAC17A4h0unkbhsCJR1mZW5/lieM4CVxZ056Le3HZg 5qTB+pdz3zKA04x/BV+LUe8MsSVqqVVjBHSjJkwniL76ZTEzOVeHTiJx/o2XL6l3U0Ut 6PDf4XWYKN/FXVp3PAUumJmqtqeiNbG6rHl1GZHN4NNIOAxlzO76wZN1F72CsHt/j08b BvxOVGpfjZpjqrNydHbxJGz4/7jvpKi6NcXeDCg+YwpmIuHK54XOBeGrQiZGffhQJrQ+ R6DGmbKjPv8k6tHs8yelmIn/MRtxvEd2Iu8DO7GElcKX96e3/N6yjUu2r16F5QtfWfhU r7/Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120703145633.85BDE978.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> References: <4FF21BB9.4050005@cruzio.com> <20120703145633.85BDE978.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 15:20:20 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Conversion to Mac! From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <0oJJF.A.stF.UGv8PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 13:20:21 +0000 (UTC) Modern Mac's are indeed nice. I've been using pc's by Apple since 1994 but have yet not "converted". Maybe when SoundForge is available on the Mac platform I might consider myself "a Mac guy" ;-)) Today my reason for hanging with the Apple boxes is Logic and Mainstage. The years I was using assorted Windows based pc's was the era when Logic also supported that system and the Apple boxes had not yet picked up the new (by then) Pentium processor technology. I originally came to Mac from Atari and really didn't know there was this other system from Microsoft on the horizon... In fact, when hard disc recording came around there was no support for Windows for several years, so Mac was the only option if you were into music. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Ben wrote: > > -------------------------------------------------- > "Kris Hartung" wrote: > (03/07/2012 00:42) > >> I converted to Mac. >> All I can say is I don=E2=80=99t know why I didn=E2=80=99t do this long = ago. > > Hi Kris, I thought you worked for a big PC manufacturer. am I wrong? > > Ben > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 13:42:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 849B71834C6; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 13:42:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=QduCclOy23DtFRyxl2xAcbjzs7OOySrzIMI4gU5MmLo=; b=AOBMYWVdL+nYQdAe50lnoOrkMRAvfue7ew2P1jvYIK5AU+7CTyv10FZ/aq1PepBeqR hn1qDNKlhWk+IjeKbCscpqKdAec2z029CoXwHjyztvpqPc6CQFaimCIt6vvSeAmkOAg8 B2HeiwsSMHhYG8bKSawhyEAOwFbfydWFHqqtm2a9zXY+jIAQiePTZukWDzwtU/hGf6Cy 1GQebC+dezDifCBnQzaY7YoRMLIuM+ylbpsTa+NPgVbB06PdFMJzH+FWKikCeDQltTGT Y2JXFllYdS36ANVBWEFG9C8fBHa3LPzrAfTsBJM8OgYxART3iUCkHRxheXg88yEwEQmu 6yfQ== References: <20584949.1179461341320427967.JavaMail.root@wmail66> In-Reply-To: <20584949.1179461341320427967.JavaMail.root@wmail66> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3748CB8E-2D25-40D7-8ED8-2FCDB14038E6 Message-Id: <48BCF3A8-FF4E-4C99-9201-5EB53F895B38@gmail.com> Cc: "loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) From: Jim Goodin Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_The_5=C2=B0_Florence_Live_Looping_Festival?= Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 09:42:14 -0400 To: Massimo Liverani Resent-Message-ID: <1ZNaNC.A.n_F.6av8PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 13:42:18 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3748CB8E-2D25-40D7-8ED8-2FCDB14038E6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Massimo this looks fabulous! Congrats on this up and coming annual event. G= reta to see Georgina, Michael, Randolph and Fabio on the roster of those I k= now. Regards Jim Get Tips Across the Waters for your iDevice, http://iTunes.apple.com/us/app/= tips-across-the-waters/id474128076?=3Dmt8 On Jul 3, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Massimo Liverani wrote: > A unique opportunity to see musicians from around the world participating i= n an absolutely free for a festival >=20 > which is becoming an important and recognized at international level. >=20 > The 'live looping' is a very interesting form of structured improvisation t= hat takes the listener through overlapping sound >=20 > fascinating to listen to evolving sonic textures. >=20 > Needless to say that every performance is unique and unrepeatable. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Officine C.R.O.M.A. & Cambiamusica!=20 > are proud to announce=20 > V=C2=B0 FLLF Florence Live Looping Festival > Y2KXII International Live Looping Festival affiliated > Teatro blu - Parco dell'anconella > Firenze 9 pm >=20 > free entrance >=20 > Sabato 14 Luglio: > 1 Antony Hequet (Guitars =E2=80=93 France) > 2 Georgina Brett (Voice- England) > 3 Michael Peters (Guitars - Germany) > 4 Pako Mondragon (Guitar,Voice =E2=80=93 Mexico) > 5 Randof Arriola (Guitars =E2=80=93 Singapore), >=20 > Domenica 15 Luglio: > 1 Lucho Prado (solochiman) (guitars =E2=80=93 Chile/Cesena) > 2 Riccardo Masala Spaggiari (Masala) (Percussions - Reggio Emilia) > 3 Fabio Anile (keyboards - Roma) > 4 Croma Art Ensemble - (Firenze) >=20 > Thanks to Fabio Anile=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-3748CB8E-2D25-40D7-8ED8-2FCDB14038E6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Massimo this looks fabulou= s!  Congrats on this up and coming annual event.  Greta to see Geo= rgina, Michael, Randolph and Fabio on the roster of those I know.
=
Regards


Jim

Ge= t Tips Across the Waters for your iDevice, http://iTunes.apple.com/= us/app/tips-across-the-waters/id474128076?=3Dmt8

On Jul 3,= 2012, at 9:00 AM, Massimo Liverani <mas.liv@libero.it> wrote:

A unique opportunity to see musicians fro= m around the world participating in an absolutely free for a festival

which is becoming= an important and recognized at international level.

The 'live looping' is a very inte= resting form of structured improvisation that takes the listener through ove= rlapping sound

fascinating to listen to evolving sonic textures.

Needless to say that every perf= ormance is unique and unrepeatable.




=

Officine C.R.O.M.A. & C= ambiamusica! 

are prou= d to announce 

 V=C2=B0=  FLLF Florence Live Looping Festival

  Y2KXII = ;International Live Looping Festival affiliated

Teatro blu - Parco dell'anconella<= /span>

Firenze 9 pm<= /p>


free entrance


Sabato 14 Luglio:

1 Antony Hequet (Guitars =E2=80=93 France)

<= span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); " mce_style=3D"color: #000000;">2 Georgin= a Brett (Voice- England)

3 M= ichael Peters (Guitars - Germany)

4 Pako M= ondragon (Guitar,Voice =E2=80=93 Mexico)

5 Randof Arriola (Guitars =E2=80=93 Singapore),


Domenica 15 Luglio:

1 Lucho Prado (solochiman) (guitars =E2=80=93 Chile/Cesena)

2 Riccardo Masala Spaggiari (Masala) (Percussions - Reggio Emilia)

3 Fabio Anile (keyboards - Roma)

4 Croma Art Ensemble - (Firenze)


Thanks to Fabio A= nile 


 






= --Apple-Mail-3748CB8E-2D25-40D7-8ED8-2FCDB14038E6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 14:08:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 714DC1834C3; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 14:08:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=6oMiYcHI4n5kgBd22N4D4WvBCU1n/Y5ir6PHmq05TcA=; b=OZawJ+NBygD/VWkGIqqRjX+ax0gQOi6WydGiyPhAhN0jYdpUzAgBQsL8D6FTFYQCM8 PmM9Ec7LhUWhlWvXy0tc6AbFFwkPVyEUMU8itygY7/xldCuiKx7eSlc1M6eFJ616bhRG rfwqUlcEqdcI6A+uYzrzmBwKHr0S/9fPbpro13wuPWcC/7B/mG+jpLU8D3p5ATVNJp3F DgGNE2fY8PcqfEDhk8gbY95B52paoFanfexMRqXsYNZREonhdt5q2ebFMPNHlaMzv1Gj afvO4tRNscopjwB3uKoGEpkZz8pZ2BDWKxsQ3kaRaNDao8cykgKg5Ygy+pWVATyo9ygF 1hbw== Message-ID: <8966EABDE0B6468A86246C34DA2D551B@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <4FF21BB9.4050005@cruzio.com> <20120703145633.85BDE978.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <20120703145633.85BDE978.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> Subject: Re: Conversion to Mac! Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 08:07:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: <175cP.A.6RG.Czv8PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 14:08:02 +0000 (UTC) Ha ha. Yes, I do, HP. But I gotta do what I need to do for music. -----Original Message----- -------------------------------------------------- "Kris Hartung" wrote: (03/07/2012 00:42) > I converted to Mac. > All I can say is I don’t know why I didn’t do this long ago. Hi Kris, I thought you worked for a big PC manufacturer. am I wrong? Ben From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 14:08:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C13F1834CC; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 14:08:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=v7IX0voxskxGbZ0o+Xzh2pEQ/RsLDPyupeY8Zc/51Do=; b=uFyomup6WvhX5gF8Qq0yprhvISg/z5ghTypinyDFLXSDUlP5oGGI2K7mJJDZDJpIvD STe2rO9tOWk6E05ZUc7O4Rq6luRS5MxesPAlOoYFQtjoOOziaUsmnDlv5cdxyGvbJYY4 tx/5x5wVXUVlqnl9sjxYfDdSF9lxB5BANT3n+9qbo3xkyrdJdyaU7bgglSHQYXhs2ozN uXb6hd7Qfvc+f4+nas9CPule0QT8FMS9Ey7yu2kW+ZOBNm/S2+rqIiBQpch/6qG+cuZx +KDoGqCQ0uDuAkvxoCZu2DSdJO+akiHM6swvRa0t7rs98YmALd+sFP60FEVpnkwaxgVY 4Qsw== Message-ID: <4FF2FCD2.2020704@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2012 16:08:18 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The =?UTF-8?B?NcKwIEZsb3JlbmNlIExpdmUgTG9vcGluZyBGZXN0aXZhbA==?= References: <20584949.1179461341320427967.JavaMail.root@wmail66> <48BCF3A8-FF4E-4C99-9201-5EB53F895B38@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48BCF3A8-FF4E-4C99-9201-5EB53F895B38@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 14:08:23 +0000 (UTC) Yes, it does! But what is the Croma Art Ensemble? Details, please! Massimo, also give my best to the local crew, and let's hope that Randolf can make it this year. I wish you all a wonderful festival! Yours, Rainer Jim Goodin schrieb: > Massimo this looks fabulous! Congrats on this up and coming annual > event. Greta to see Georgina, Michael, Randolph and Fabio on the > roster of those I know. > > Regards > >> >> >> >> >> Officine C.R.O.M.A. & Cambiamusica! >> >> are proud to announce >> >> * V° FLLF Florence Live Looping Festival * >> >> * Y2KXII* International Live Looping Festival affiliated >> >> *Teatro blu - Parco dell'anconella* >> >> *Firenze 9 pm* >> >> * >> * >> >> free entrance >> >> >> /Sabato 14 Luglio:/ >> >> 1 Antony Hequet (Guitars – France) >> >> 2 Georgina Brett (Voice- England) >> >> 3 Michael Peters (Guitars - Germany) >> >> 4 Pako Mondragon (Guitar,Voice – Mexico) >> >> 5 Randof Arriola (Guitars – Singapore), >> >> >> /Domenica 15 Luglio:/ >> >> 1 Lucho Prado (solochiman) (guitars – Chile/Cesena) >> >> 2 Riccardo Masala Spaggiari (Masala) (Percussions - >> Reggio Emilia) >> >> 3 Fabio Anile (keyboards - Roma) >> >> 4 Croma Art Ensemble - (Firenze) >> -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 15:00:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01D391834C5; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 15:00:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A0B020B.4FF30908.01DC,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-libjamoibt: 1821 Message-ID: <23515012.1187161341327624707.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 17:00:24 +0200 (CEST) From: Massimo Liverani Reply-To: Massimo Liverani To: Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?R:_Re:_The_5=C2=B0_Florence_Live_Looping_Festival?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SenderIP: 85.47.237.138 X-libjamv: UGCJrUXYOd8= X-libjamsun: XBbpLUGqwx3j11B7fBRvMOuLQGCjtzXZ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 15:00:26 +0000 (UTC) Thank you Rainer! 'Croma Art Ensemble' will be something of very unusual fo= rm=20 of looping: I'll controll the loop of variuos acoustic musicians and instruments like= =20 trumpet, saxes, cotrabasses, pianos, vibes etc etc... so we'll see what will happen! ;-) Max >----Messaggio originale---- >Da: moinsound@googlemail.com >Data: 03/07/2012 16.08 >A: >Ogg: Re: The 5=C2=B0 Florence Live Looping Festival > >Yes, it does! >But what is the Croma Art Ensemble? Details, please! > >Massimo, also give my best to the local crew, and let's hope that=20 >Randolf can make it this year. > >I wish you all a wonderful festival! > >Yours, > > Rainer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 15:56:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B32A31834C5; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 15:56:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=lRqAL/q8eT4JrNyYuJxPntKctlbfrEJxn5Qu7M13JaA=; b=Sy3nwGIj42c1PwbgxhapKPt6FzW5ifOvw6FE0XjjdDBzciNsUxLAdD79VfoZXoD2fj QFZPF5Qg+ogSfq6l1jxQMy7FYl76nOizm1p5YGRaAHpq6doV9k98rlEgwz3qK34BNEt0 ZO2YX+UaimcPNnx9A3rHh1L65UKrjbz10+4csJjeLoDj2pNGkNlOxOdJHW2/PJYtiKwq Bb/FMvybNjx9FBpfE4PceYPHbLvE1DirQnDFv01d292rIIWB6eMT+FkEHLsEhvaLSb8o pU9T+lIek4b4Sd88lMbPUA1IpNi4DTMWOC9f9nYi0eL1o7hNXZ2hVM7mp36g3WRWOH6b sLvw== From: Matthias Grob Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: DarwinTunes.org Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 12:56:15 -0300 Message-Id: To: Loop List Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 15:56:22 +0000 (UTC) I found amazing how loops can evolve by recombination and become = "listenable" so far it sounds very synthetic, because thats where the experiment = started but maybe one day we can do the same with nicely played compositions = instead of random sounds? http://DarwinTunes.org= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 19:52:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7314C1834CC; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 19:52:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=3UkRHEbAyueA8Knp8guHOzHt6nPQYYN0WLa4syCmwfc=; b=wp4GyOwCG4Rrdg8OPP/akxPAHuY2Ww7PgxG+UIT1/i5iLhUwdwc+R7Y+7yhuIpApFn JMSYtjww0C1++ar9yoUlorfKcchNoHrP39qf02DrWr/3CehN9WbMFL8SnKsPSve66gy2 ynHCCRPH2GLQyBVETFCE8XGwzkVAEusj1nGQ1J0sQN5dqvytdwyKj3k2M+819Zxpfe+t 1Zhet+8lzeOVua45M9s3lqGF1qAKFaoypnZaO9wTrGmB8Vvt8ZoJ5lxSd21omI+TuL4X 4Xa6HbvkcH8KbNCQezaYqtvNryEDjDnYUO2gd/jmm4MqVTsxZbAQARBl5nGLNKXEfYp1 QYvQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 20:52:37 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: FS: Line 6 DL4 & FCB 1010 & MIDISPORT From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 19:52:39 +0000 (UTC) Hi Folks, Still a few (looping) items available for sale. Line 6 DL4 - Mint condition, good working order - =A3150 ONO http://www.gak.co.uk/en/line-6-dl-4/23465 Behringer FCB 1010 + Kettle & MIDI Lead - Good condition - =A370 ONO http://www.dv247.com/computer-hardware/behringer-fcb1010-midi-foot-controll= er-with-two-expression-pedals--6360 M AUDIO USB MIDISPORT 2 x 2 - Good condition - =A340 ONO http://www.gak.co.uk/en/m-audio-midisport-2x2/4112 Get in touch. Ricky From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 21:15:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B887B1834CF; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 21:15:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=OtDNOlDt c=1 sm=0 a=mh+FvEA7I3/2BJh8eSJ0ZQ==:17 a=dQSc6X53jZsA:10 a=kFrrhWaRu2oA:10 a=nDghuxUhq_wA:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=i1ZQfMsrKqHseE_JNvUA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=mh+FvEA7I3/2BJh8eSJ0ZQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 173.88.214.139 Message-ID: <4FF362B5.6040402@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2012 17:23:01 -0400 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.4; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101125 Thunderbird/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Conversion to Mac! References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 21:15:31 +0000 (UTC) On 7/2/12 7:14 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > Oh and SoundFourge. There is not a single commercial or free Mac sound > editor that works as well > as SoundFourge and don't waste time suggesting Ardor. I still do all my > .wav file editing on a PC > if I can. Can you explain why you like it? (This is a real question, not snark). I see it's coming to the Mac, and I'm trying to figure out if I should be excited. Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 21:32:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B671E1834D5; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 21:32:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.236.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:BY2PRD0410HT001.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI X-BigFish: PS-4(zzbb2dI98dI9371I1432Izz1202hzz8275bhz2fh2a8h668h839h944he5bhf0ah) Received-SPF: pass (mail161-tx2: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.236.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.236.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=BY2PRD0410HT001.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Conversion to Mac! Thread-Topic: Conversion to Mac! Thread-Index: AQHNWKQmrCkBf2d7uEyOxhjQAlbYp5cWS+GAgAHG44D//67GAA== Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 21:32:21 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4FF362B5.6040402@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.255.115.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <1CB15EDDAD5F1F4890AC8315D867818D@namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 21:32:26 +0000 (UTC) For me it just has a better workflow. I'm not so much a sound designer as a sound explorer. I produce an audio application so I'm constantly generating new audio files and comparing them to old files looking for subtle differences. I need to have two file windows open at the same time, quickly seek to a sample position, zoom in and compare the samples in a given range. Most editors can do this but everything I've tried requires more mouse wiggling and keystrokes than SoundForge. Jeff On 7/3/12 4:23 PM, "Brian Good" wrote: >On 7/2/12 7:14 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: >> Oh and SoundFourge. There is not a single commercial or free Mac sound >> editor that works as well >> as SoundFourge and don't waste time suggesting Ardor. I still do all my >> .wav file editing on a PC >> if I can. > >Can you explain why you like it? (This is a real question, not snark). I >see it's coming to the Mac, and I'm trying to figure out if I should be >excited. > >Brian > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 22:08:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A906C1834D7; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 22:08:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 891561.86561.bm@omp1027.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1341353291; bh=5mwvuzHsiWsAHfVKC83yYzx4TUdmA7rQwQ6XedTIEN4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XWlUeK7gI9bzjpDa6HvGnTo79qSv/JoQdJoujMKfU1rF/5ILGlVp2gHkuS2I9KOkG4zpmJGlkmUu3ftYXyP18OYRIxJegTIuDCXIsSmD9mJSqUjDMCreqPEB67Q3ypaClZcv5RfVu3kJNn4PkuSB70wdYo04kobrDojNJ9N8q5Y= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JVV8rlHb9kLKNLV2WIGm2qFsqhKGdxC3bsQCGhpJXqqBeLAoLzYuQMygdma679sUestRmuR93/al6bTu5ENZDWnFyp2Py3rUetyyNH856J/uW7TW2npuvEVe9q9LAlQXW6AeLcLjmOCsFhOzibSt/1rs7yfLGWLgqf7Dv9S+YNo=; X-YMail-OSG: akbci50VM1mQL23Ch.hK8Cg2KZ0voT4QVpLZT87230EdlY6 fK9ePdZSsqK9vAJu1INvpQ12hB2QUH64fPo..mxIjTLQMulj6tigY1Sz2haf jNpz5.YkXQg8R3ce8hIo_uB9nI56rTjiHA9vp79uZfLD7kdWMmTUJQveIxd3 pW6VcdwTbwAhcYzuAVT3DAQCu0Op3JirNMsTSXnd60Nd2LAn2PNRI94I5Eis Tgc8DQDW6XopJx9elRUuHli15CSi8QuYcKqZTZ2OMglv3K8B6LydMnDsrydP QIgJAiAaH3ww7WWSUnx4OLrdWMq7zzxTbkJy_EUopRlMoDnzi__GjVFAY3BR VoD8__ACJwblkwzZaqBe3Im4f1kSMnB9FPhxlqGqbWhnKQfMtw4Wmyv7Xu3A hprERG3LOr9F0clEuMriQx6k4eg8apkkNFDGoA77gAsergcUCpZuPaEVCW1T bC2b5sTKCREfwtbwhPxeedKJw5fWPLR7DhxMhfK7lgMVKDNB5uinu2yUpwqi QXbAxeffO2vt6DzXYvxTuVjZCzncG5VVJG2xkgCloQZ_BJrLX9U_J.3tTNvs wxKiLVRCei9L4gyFmhP0- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1341353291.25860.YahooMailNeo@web130206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 15:08:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Scott Reply-To: Stephen Scott To: rakowiczw@neuro.wustl.edu, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, dmed.systems@virgin.net, ocralab@hotmail.it, bob@amstadt.com, osteomark@email4us.com, info@andybutler.com, berniedollery@hotmail.co.uk, neil@neilfellowes.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="735583711-1983391708-1341353291=:25860" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Unidentified subject! X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 22:08:12 +0000 (UTC) --735583711-1983391708-1341353291=:25860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.lifestyleyachtclub.com/news/wp-content/plugins/zoooeatcoux/googlesave.html --735583711-1983391708-1341353291=:25860 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii --735583711-1983391708-1341353291=:25860-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 22:17:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E83781834DF; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 22:17:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3601 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 03 Jul 2012 22:17:58 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-07-03_09:2012-07-03,2012-07-03,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=1 spamscore=1 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1207030234 Subject: Re: Conversion to Mac! From: Daniel Thomas X-Priority: 3 In-reply-to: <8966EABDE0B6468A86246C34DA2D551B@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2012 14:17:54 -0700 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-id: <20260797-3D13-4B80-A17C-D1940ECB25F0@mac.com> References: <4FF21BB9.4050005@cruzio.com> <20120703145633.85BDE978.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> <8966EABDE0B6468A86246C34DA2D551B@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 22:17:58 +0000 (UTC) Hilarious! I work at Apple and do all my media production under = windoze! It takes all kinds. And All kinds work. :) Daniel On Jul 3, 2012, at 7:07 AM, Kris Hartung wrote: > Ha ha. Yes, I do, HP. But I gotta do what I need to do for music. >=20 > -----Original Message----- = -------------------------------------------------- > "Kris Hartung" wrote: > (03/07/2012 00:42) >=20 >> I converted to Mac. >> All I can say is I don=92t know why I didn=92t do this long ago. >=20 > Hi Kris, I thought you worked for a big PC manufacturer. am I wrong? >=20 > Ben=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 22:18:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE65E1834E6; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 22:18:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=TpXvbbvidCYpQ9wXR7SPxroM//xQgS0bpxLbqgn379w=; b=anMwwUhss91h+ylSjKTL8a2Ykarf+PL7Ifrj1q3l3n5ZtcL1R4gWRx5i2VzDXi0PIB 4egLogTjv2LlOXgMwy2yRG6wp0y+SzpzPxFp2ITOknRgChr/Yta5EY13jcQLrn3st4kK o9YgkDjLd7mah0ncrMhb4R0JPWF0t3LbmDnvXiX4Ujof+b3oN9qdp20I0I6x4FrWlhx/ Ji7wMwp+buR6tuxpg1XtLVHegW77Z0fy5ryONI4Ov5Snc+IpbFvrcybvxrX7LbSh8ubj Yhr7NstO3paa5EhgKXvXSYakJo01itroVfSkDxOQ+YwmHR2DemFo53PpfGcf/XGbv/Xs OkqA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FF362B5.6040402@gmail.com> References: <4FF362B5.6040402@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 00:18:31 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Conversion to Mac! From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 22:18:32 +0000 (UTC) I like SoundForge for the same reasons Jeff mentioned. Plus that SF fully supports embedding tags into Acid format files ( I need that when producing sounds for sample CDs etc) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Brian Good wrote: > On 7/2/12 7:14 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: >> >> Oh and SoundFourge. There is not a single commercial or free Mac sound >> editor that works as well >> as SoundFourge and don't waste time suggesting Ardor. I still do all my >> .wav file editing on a PC >> if I can. > > > Can you explain why you like it? (This is a real question, not snark). I see > it's coming to the Mac, and I'm trying to figure out if I should be excited. > > Brian > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 00:21:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EAAE1834E0; Wed, 4 Jul 2012 00:21:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Ed Durbrow Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_F740B090-E291-4145-8637-79BD525B6C41" Subject: Re: Conversion to Mac! Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 09:20:59 +0900 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-Id: <30B08E31-6D46-4B6D-820E-EDC8401EC482@sea.plala.or.jp> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-VirusScan: Outbound; msa01b; Wed, 4 Jul 2012 09:20:59 +0900 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 00:21:03 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_F740B090-E291-4145-8637-79BD525B6C41 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Jul 3, 2012, at 8:14 AM, Jeff Larson wrote: > First the copy/paste keys are Command-C and Command-V rather than = Control-C and Control-V and > I haven't found a good way to map them. I get used to it but it = drives me nuts when I have > to switch between a Mac and a PC. I know that is confusing. Even after using a PC at school for 1/2 hour I = get confused on my Mac.=20 I'm not sure if this will help, but if not, more Goggling might find a = solution. = http://tylerkieft.com/archives/2006/10/05/redefine-the-x11-meta-key-in-mac= -os-x/ > Second, I can't stand Finder and the file chooser dialogs. I am a = fast typist, when I want a file the easiest > way for me is to type in the name and have the OS do auto-complete. = Not on a Mac. Oh no, you're > not supposed to TYPE on a Mac, you're supposed to wiggle and scroll = and click for 5 minutes over a deep directory tree. Default Folder lets you click on a folder in the Finder from within an = open dialog in a program thus taking you directly to that folder. This = saves a lot of mousing. > And if you want to search, by golly of course you want to search the = ENTIRE file system, not the directory you > are currently in. Yes there's that goofy button under the search box = where you can select to search in just > the folder, why the hell isn't this the default? Autocomplete is in a lot of applications on the Mac and can be turned on = or off. In the Finder, if you want to type, type shift-cmd-G and you get = go to folder, where you can type the path. Hit the tab to complete the = text. = http://osxdaily.com/2011/08/31/go-to-folder-useful-mac-os-x-keyboard-short= cut/ A lot of people hit cmd-spacebar or cmd-opt-spacebar and just start = typing in Spotlight as a fast way to get to where they want to go or = open a program. http://geek.michaelgrace.org/2009/08/mac-os-x-auto-complete-suggest/ > Oh and SoundFourge. There is not a single commercial or free Mac = sound editor that works as well > as SoundFourge and don't waste time suggesting Ardor. I still do all = my .wav file editing on a PC=20 > if I can. May I suggest Audacity? Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=3Dwatch http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ edurbrow@sea.plala.or.jp --Apple-Mail=_F740B090-E291-4145-8637-79BD525B6C41 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252
First = the copy/paste keys are Command-C and Command-V rather than Control-C = and Control-V and
I = haven't found a good way to map them.  I get used to it but it = drives me nuts when I have
http://tylerkieft.com/archives/2006/10/05/redefine-the-x11= -meta-key-in-mac-os-x/

way for me is to type in the name and = have the OS do auto-complete.  Not on a Mac.  Oh no, = you're
not = supposed to TYPE on a Mac, you're supposed to wiggle and scroll and = click for 5 minutes over a deep directory = tree.

Default Folder lets you = click on a folder in the Finder from within an open dialog in a program = thus taking you directly to that folder. This saves a lot of = mousing.

And if you want to search, by golly of = course you want to search the ENTIRE file system, not the directory = you
are = currently in.  Yes there's that goofy button under the search box = where you can select to search in just
the folder, why the hell isn't this = the default?

Autocomplete is in a = lot of applications on the Mac and can be turned on or off. In the = Finder, if you want to type, type shift-cmd-G and you get go to folder, = where you can type the path. Hit the tab to complete the = text.
A lot of people hit cmd-spacebar or = cmd-opt-spacebar and just start typing in Spotlight as a fast way to get = to where they want to go or open a program.


if I = can.



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From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 01:06:30 +0000 (UTC) I really like adobe audition. I got it as part of the production package I bought because I needed premiere, after effects and photoshop... audition came with it and it was a welcomed surprise. I didn't think I was going to use it, but it's a great editor (multiple windows, great spectral editor) and a capable daw to boot. Sulvain On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:47 PM, wrote: > I guess I'm not all that picky but I get an awful lot of work done in Aud= aciity. I've used it for several years quite regularly on Mac and previousl= y on Windows port. I dod everything from single track recording to podcast= production to sevral trax of mash production. > > I will say years ago when I was only using Windows I used Soundforger v 4= and 4.5 and liked a lot. > > Jim > ------Original Message------ > From: Brian Good > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > ReplyTo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Conversion to Mac! > Sent: Jul 3, 2012 5:23 PM > > On 7/2/12 7:14 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: >> Oh and SoundFourge. There is not a single commercial or free Mac sound >> editor that works as well >> as SoundFourge and don't waste time suggesting Ardor. I still do all my >> .wav file editing on a PC >> if I can. > > Can you explain why you like it? (This is a real question, not snark). I > see it's coming to the Mac, and I'm trying to figure out if I should be > excited. > > Brian > > > Sent on the Sprint=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=AE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 05:49:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 561BE1834F6; Wed, 4 Jul 2012 05:49:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3BaUb/t7Fj9ScsQ7AYRr7twpOEKR22wlkVX5wapFL08=; b=OcTUfVm3fvZs5eAHh9kaZQ5DGaDLK8bQxGRhPOUSyzS8vBOOCJpjzKL1eQsiF4TDRq 2K3fBrqY25a5m7szGEqHDuY2mGIXfI/iPfkh/UBDzmdpTzXAk/yBf6nWJSB9UtUFR3Ec mbC36T0g6lo11qtGUqMCLvzWbiNiNf+keR2CoPhx1aVZDmVY+I9n7uk4S0xpcUH/Niyf 1PLS8c4n4FLa48t74Ac4hUX4qmPVIZlzrxTdOnmZWn8OdG3OEP/84Bd7NARMKr6eiCq/ ZlrN/t7vqTW+DPug3cUZRILUkJx+ayttl6aCvOVvQZTB9qQzC0u3RFi8yxVLUJp/Uj5h oq/Q== References: <790883497-1341362827-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-615099264-@b14.c28.bise6.blackberry> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 07:49:07 +0200 Message-ID: <6278613091177878101@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: Conversion to Mac! To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 05:49:12 +0000 (UTC) I will add a "me too" to Audition... but Pers reminder of Acid brought a feeling of nostalgia for Windows... Acid for Mac is what I want... Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 4 Jul 2012, at 03:06, Sylvain Poitras wrote= : > I really like adobe audition. I got it as part of the production > package I bought because I needed premiere, after effects and > photoshop... audition came with it and it was a welcomed surprise. I > didn't think I was going to use it, but it's a great editor (multiple > windows, great spectral editor) and a capable daw to boot. > Sulvain > > On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:47 PM, wrote: >> I guess I'm not all that picky but I get an awful lot of work done in Au= daciity. I've used it for several years quite regularly on Mac and previous= ly on Windows port. I dod everything from single track recording to podcas= t production to sevral trax of mash production. >> >> I will say years ago when I was only using Windows I used Soundforger v = 4 and 4.5 and liked a lot. >> >> Jim >> ------Original Message------ >> From: Brian Good >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> ReplyTo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Conversion to Mac! >> Sent: Jul 3, 2012 5:23 PM >> >> On 7/2/12 7:14 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: >>> Oh and SoundFourge. There is not a single commercial or free Mac sound >>> editor that works as well >>> as SoundFourge and don't waste time suggesting Ardor. I still do all my >>> .wav file editing on a PC >>> if I can. >> >> Can you explain why you like it? (This is a real question, not snark). I >> see it's coming to the Mac, and I'm trying to figure out if I should be >> excited. >> >> Brian >> >> >> Sent on the Sprint=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=AE > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 16:42:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 781581834E0; Wed, 4 Jul 2012 16:42:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 266808.7883.bm@omp1016.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1341420164; bh=T//SNm18mcHeoUDKfTXdVS/FGjNoalZxtlGzeh0Ouj4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kRgV4gNf9I0PRrTTxncF1ZQ5OBwQXtKwyvg9XvH8hfUb5rqSBOTYdIHC4qL1q3SXHkP9lFtBba+3eAPVuKGGtKl2htX4cuoBMK3okpgw+bjj81/ADFH9lpYW/8r0ufYkvQIJa2IyD2MfBv8VJ+wr564DF/A45Dqgj1NrAmAfC08= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ixXb9wz1mc/fx2EDWdqJJ7dsMQrG/EwACHWbplixT3jTI2vesnBXWoLKZnvb8/i8GhkKfPH6x5O69AJhDFjp9x9yH6EfUnuRosoVz6T8FoF93chXaA0zoenxTzeLUCMOvhbI+jRLBW5i3GPJ6fsongNFjklGa1mkEQPgVO+wxOY=; X-YMail-OSG: juY7EW0VM1m1ZholwvxWhkonJRPAgSoE7SHh4iV1ZUaCJ.Q 9dozDrPGopkkaQVYT2okrglfrpGNeuC_6kAj60aiDDhnebZGZ9CzxF1je2s6 I61DEyXJuKpZEEENiCt3PwaWVJB8WjYd84kh3c1Q95PhWN8XKP4ca3naidN7 iqYiixul6jo2ETNRXQp5KGqqqiGAdr8pwRx6ZRp8Tumh35vajoeaMUmwbsPg IeoO1i_aCX8r4HVMp4h5F5TjSPmYhgYGOdv3xoDKNWzJj5lxL94NT3Fx6Ggw AGVfVyXDsF4BxkkuvJzUI_mnsp8Py9vLGZcBWyVKkZy7oJNOCic1j4mxgR0H L92WaJJJaUFeF5fbINESm6TycPcWsIhkGpwRNLUQsCJmUKTbSWsGl.vp3wV_ wOruSfb4ybHGhyrjAQJPCelbXSlzTlZOXgWZP3RczQ.QLFn4Ht1uQ6r1v0zh siSYQ50JzE3Un7fn89ggfxKhcWNCEAaWo.l_k.x2kxCRWaUq1ArhVNfoNvyH fcrholLQSxwc0CWi39dxL.HJI6qOV0hT4RVz2TewEMLGmKN8Ly0ewpoD7R0. cOVnwLtxJV9irzy9ybhzAF8I2fVmDNxzzNDRNtq8YJH_4Um5rUnBoKHQe5RH MLYMBdZyetTwT0uhpYjtLupbu72aMOVg1smaLRUBG7iximKgh9SMjBf2PxEw 4e_BfwPxeQlmABexwFSt2.4MkNKLBU37Oszsd91tCPL5SJhLuMBC3vNj4dst KCT6oUPvK X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1341420164.55362.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 09:42:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Reply-To: Luis Angulo Subject: keyboard and covers for logic pro 9 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-795196629-2071190052-1341420164=:55362" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 16:42:45 +0000 (UTC) ---795196629-2071190052-1341420164=:55362 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yo gang,=0Asince moving from Sonar to Logic my workflow has gone a bit slow= er since im not too acquainted yet with all of the keyboard shorcuts=0Ai ha= ve the small wireless keyboard that comes with the imac but ive been checki= ng out for alternatives=0A=0Athis company sells the cover for this keyobard= but they dont have a pic of it yet:=0A=0Ahttp://www.kbcovers.com/servlet/C= ategories?category=3DLogic+Pro%2FExpress=0A=0ABut im debating wether i shou= ld get that or the bigger numeric keypad apple keyboard and a cover which w= ould run about 90.-dlls=0A=0Aor just the logic ready keyboard like this one= which is 9 dlls more:=0Ahttp://www.amazon.com/LogicKeyboard-Logic-Preset-K= eyboard-Express/dp/B005U7WUU6=0A=0Abut i dont know if Logic key commands wi= ll change in the future then i d be stucked with this keyboard=0Aplus if so= meone uses my mac they ill probably be tripping with such a flashy keyboard= ;-)=0A=0A=0Aany experiences or comments?=0A=0A=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/lui= sangulocom ---795196629-2071190052-1341420164=:55362 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
yo gang,
since moving from Sonar to Logic my workflow has gone= a bit slower since im not too acquainted yet with all of the keyboard shor= cuts
i have the small wireless keyboard that comes w= ith the imac but ive been checking out for alternatives

this company sells the cover for this keyob= ard but they dont have a pic of it yet:

<= /div>
http://www.kbcovers.com/servlet/Categories?category=3DLogic= +Pro%2FExpress

But im de= bating wether i should get that or the bigger numeric keypad apple keyboard= and a cover which would run about 90.-dlls

or just the logic ready keyboard like this one which is 9 dlls more:
http://www.amazon.com/LogicKeyboard= -Logic-Preset-Keyboard-Express/dp/B005U7WUU6

but i dont know if Logic key commands will change in t= he future then i d be stucked with this keyboard
plu= s if someone uses my mac they ill probably be tripping with such a flashy k= eyboard;-)

any experiences= or comments?

http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
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=0A<Second, I can'= t stand Finder and the file chooser dialogs.  I am a fast typist, when= I want a file the easiest
<= div>
=0A
<way for me is to type in the nam= e and have the OS do auto-complete.  Not on a Mac.  Oh no, you're=
=0A
<not supposed to TYPE on a Mac, you're supposed to wiggle = and scroll and click for 5 minutes over a deep directory tree.
=0A<And if you want to search, by golly of course you want to search the E= NTIRE file system, not the directory you
=0A
<are currently in.=  Yes there's that goofy button under the search box where you can sel= ect to search in just
=0A
<the folder, why the hell isn't this = the default?

Jeff Check out "easy Find" for Mac:

http://www.m= acupdate.com/app/mac/11076/easyfind

and Find File:
http://www.mac= update.com/app/mac/30073/find-file/

I aslo hate macs finder but thes= e have made my life easier;-)
cheers
Luis



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To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="506312955-1733341896-1341420771=:88850" Resent-Message-ID: <_SPPgB.A.7DD.lTH9PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 16:52:53 +0000 (UTC) --506312955-1733341896-1341420771=:88850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I ende up buying Macs Wavelab for mastering and editing though i still like= d SF better!=0A=0A=C2=A0=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A___= _____________________________=0A From: Kevin Cheli-Colando =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Tuesday, July 3, = 2012 1:35 AM=0ASubject: Re: Conversion to Mac!=0A =0AI believe Sound Forge = is finally coming to the MAC (nasty teaser site=0Athought to be from Sony h= ttp://www.finallyonthemac.com/)=0A=0AOf course, who knows when but still, t= his rumor isn't really a bad one=0Ato spread.=0A=0AKevin=0A=0AOn Mon, Jul 2= , 2012 at 4:14 PM, Jeff Larson wrote:=0A> I sta= rted using a Mac as my daily work machine a few months ago, there are=0A> o= nly two things I miss.=0A>=0A> First the copy/paste keys are Command-C and = Command-V rather than Control-C=0A> and Control-V and=0A> I haven't found a= good way to map them.=C2=A0 I get used to it but it drives me=0A> nuts whe= n I have=0A> to switch between a Mac and a PC.=0A>=0A> Second, I can't stan= d Finder and the file chooser dialogs.=C2=A0 I am a fast=0A> typist, when I= want a file the easiest=0A> way for me is to type in the name and have the= OS do auto-complete.=C2=A0 Not on=0A> a Mac.=C2=A0 Oh no, you're=0A> not s= upposed to TYPE on a Mac, you're supposed to wiggle and scroll and=0A> clic= k for 5 minutes over a deep directory tree.=0A> And if you want to search, = by golly of course you want to search the ENTIRE=0A> file system, not the d= irectory you=0A> are currently in.=C2=A0 Yes there's that goofy button unde= r the search box where=0A> you can select to search in just=0A> the folder,= why the hell isn't this the default?=0A>=0A> Using any media file that isn= 't in an Officially Sanctioned Apple Format=0A> (Quicktime)=C2=A0 is a bit = of a pain,=0A> but there are 3rd party apps.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 There are no game= s but you can use Bootcamp=0A> if you have enough disk.=0A>=0A> Oh and Soun= dFourge.=C2=A0 There is not a single commercial or free Mac sound=0A> edito= r that works as well=0A> as SoundFourge and don't waste time suggesting Ard= or.=C2=A0 I still do all my=0A> .wav file editing on a PC=0A> if I can.=0A>= =0A> If you do any C++ development, Xcode just flat out sucks compared to V= isual=0A> Studio.=C2=A0 I also find Apple's=0A> online docs much harder to = use than MSDN.=0A>=0A> On the plus side Logic and Mainstage are great and h= ibernate just works.=C2=A0 I=0A> have never had a=0A> PC laptop that could = come out of hibernation reliably.=0A>=0A> Overall I'm happy with the switch= and I'd do it again.=0A>=0A> Jeff=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> From: Kris Hartung =0A> Reply-To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"= =0A> =0A> Date: Monday, July 2, 2012 5= :42 PM=0A> To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"=0A> =0A> Subject: Conversion to Mac!=0A> Resent-From: "Loope= rs-Delight@loopers-delight.com"=0A> = =0A> Resent-Date: Monday, July 2, 2012 5:42 PM=0A>=0A> Well, I did it...aft= er 10 years of struggling and fighting with the PC and=0A> music making, co= untless crashes, blue screens of death, compatibility=0A> errors, installat= ion issues, IRQ conflicts, etc, etc , ad nauseum, I=0A> converted to Mac.= =0A> All I can say is I don=E2=80=99t know why I didn=E2=80=99t do this lon= g ago.=C2=A0 I bought the=0A> newest Macbook Pro, upgraded processor, memor= y, and flash drive.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m loving=0A> it!=C2=A0 I had no idea w= hat I was missing.=0A=0A=0A=0A-- =0ATill now you seriously considered yours= elf to be the body and to have a=0Aform. That is the primal ignorance which= is the root cause of all trouble.=0A=0A- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)=0A=0A= Sound and Vision:=C2=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org=0AVideo http://www.vimeo.c= om/user877640/videos --506312955-1733341896-1341420771=:88850 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I ende up = buying Macs Wavelab for mastering and editing though i still liked SF bette= r!
 
http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom

From: Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =
Sent: Tuesday, July 3= , 2012 1:35 AM
Subject: Re: Conversion to Mac!

I believe Sound Forge is fi= nally coming to the MAC (nasty teaser site
thought to be from Sony http://www.finallyonthemac.com/)

Of course, who knows when but still, this rumor isn't really a b= ad one
to spread.

Kevin

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Je= ff Larson <
jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> wrote:
&g= t; I started using a Mac as my daily work machine a few months ago, there a= re
> only two things I miss.
>
> First the copy/paste key= s are Command-C and Command-V rather than Control-C
> and Control-V a= nd
> I haven't found a good way to map them.  I get used to it b= ut it drives me
> nuts when I have
> to switch between a Mac an= d a PC.
>
> Second, I can't stand Finder and the file chooser d= ialogs.  I am a fast
> typist, when I want a file the easiest
> way for me is to type in the name and have the OS do auto-= complete.  Not on
> a Mac.  Oh no, you're
> not suppo= sed to TYPE on a Mac, you're supposed to wiggle and scroll and
> clic= k for 5 minutes over a deep directory tree.
> And if you want to sear= ch, by golly of course you want to search the ENTIRE
> file system, n= ot the directory you
> are currently in.  Yes there's that goofy= button under the search box where
> you can select to search in just=
> the folder, why the hell isn't this the default?
>
> U= sing any media file that isn't in an Officially Sanctioned Apple Format
= > (Quicktime)  is a bit of a pain,
> but there are 3rd party = apps.    There are no games but you can use Bootcamp
> if y= ou have enough disk.
>
> Oh and SoundFourge.  There is not= a single commercial or free Mac sound
> editor that works as well
> as SoundFourge and don't waste time suggesting Ardor.  I= still do all my
> .wav file editing on a PC
> if I can.
>= ;
> If you do any C++ development, Xcode just flat out sucks compared= to Visual
> Studio.  I also find Apple's
> online docs mu= ch harder to use than MSDN.
>
> On the plus side Logic and Main= stage are great and hibernate just works.  I
> have never had a<= br>> PC laptop that could come out of hibernation reliably.
>
&= gt; Overall I'm happy with the switch and I'd do it again.
>
> = Jeff
>
>
>
> From: Kris Hartung <= krispen.hartung@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"
> <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>= ;
> Date: Monday, July 2, 2012 5:42 PM
> To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"
> <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com><= br>> Subject: Conversion to Mac!
> Resent-From: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"
> <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com><= br>> Resent-Date: Monday, July 2, 2012 5:42 PM
>
> Well, I d= id it...after 10 years of struggling and fighting with the PC and
> music making, = countless crashes, blue screens of death, compatibility
> errors, ins= tallation issues, IRQ conflicts, etc, etc , ad nauseum, I
> converted= to Mac.
> All I can say is I don=E2=80=99t know why I didn=E2=80=99t= do this long ago.  I bought the
> newest Macbook Pro, upgraded = processor, memory, and flash drive.  I=E2=80=99m loving
> it!&nb= sp; I had no idea what I was missing.



--
Till now you s= eriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is = the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

- Raman= a Maharshi (1879-1950)

Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org
Video http://w= ww.vimeo.com/user877640/videos



--506312955-1733341896-1341420771=:88850-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 18:00:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69FBD1834E0; Wed, 4 Jul 2012 18:00:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=BBxdmY6E9iiPlNwVaX+0oUeUWCJAHqIQD+34FXP17kc=; b=XPKbX5pwxbRaOrJ7pkju775Wt6YjdY6U4cdWLPyCpuSeONS1HP5pnPQvoSMl7wFzQc SqN2nzYraWw9TpwRpjuZVNJ95PH8QjfN58zVJGzzXGgOBfxBLW4cnq1eky/QQTikzBY3 KlfSJdzpQpdaBBimeAo4c6pKTE1M7oH3woFLQTmwgiWsSJEp2DgEZenkENacWKvOqvbI 88CruWM9UdDeuF3ovaMP7avqzDByPf6Hz84/T9CTigx4tYVngbWyHW4tTsGFDJP//3Pz ClfZtEpxjLvuwiu4+H1CPwVyPxO9W3ifjJVrojbx+70w/+ewQWcHf9eBYw9zQV2eyo8n SX4A== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1341420164.55362.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1341420164.55362.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 20:00:43 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: keyboard and covers for logic pro 9 From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 18:00:44 +0000 (UTC) Logic key commands have changed quite often. The reason for that is that there is no "standard setup", since most Logic users make their own choice on what key commands to use. It is so easy to save your key commands to a USB stick and bring (or keep at your online dropbox) if working at some other studio. People use to talk in a comparative way about Pro Tools and Logic saying that Pro Tools is for music engineers while Logic is for music composers. Therefore Logic is not "an application to learn" but rather "a tool to use". Simply put, you can't learn Logic; you should rather learn Music Recording Production. Then you can pick the tools you need from the vast Logic toolbox in order to get the job done. The key commands issue is one example of this. Here are some useful Logic hints: - Study all drop-down menues. The key current commands are displayed by the commands. - Hit "alt k" for the Key Commands List. Study it and get inspired for a work-flow. (Note that there are hundreds of more command than would ever fit into the drop-down menue, but here every damn process you can parform in Logic is listed. Sorted under headers of the work space windows they are affecting data in). - When choosing some new key commands for your own work-flow, do not change or delete those who came with the default installation. Some fav key commands I always add for my personal setup are: 1. Play from Previous Bar. 2. Play from Left Window Edge. 3. Set Locators by Regions/Events/Marquee. I also set Logic to not allow diagonal dragging of objects, because that is asking for troubles (you never know when you dropped something at the wrong place until after a while when you hear that the music is fucked up by some stupid "programming mistake"). In the long run it goes faster to drag stuff with two mouse clicks when going diagonal (since you rarely make mistakes then): The place is "Preferences / General / Editing". At "Limit Dragging to One Direction In" I suggest you select both "Arrange" and "Piano Roll and Score". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Luis Angulo wrote: > yo gang, > since moving from Sonar to Logic my workflow has gone a bit slower since im > not too acquainted yet with all of the keyboard shorcuts > i have the small wireless keyboard that comes with the imac but ive been > checking out for alternatives > > this company sells the cover for this keyobard but they dont have a pic of > it yet: > > http://www.kbcovers.com/servlet/Categories?category=Logic+Pro%2FExpress > > But im debating wether i should get that or the bigger numeric keypad apple > keyboard and a cover which would run about 90.-dlls > > or just the logic ready keyboard like this one which is 9 dlls more: > http://www.amazon.com/LogicKeyboard-Logic-Preset-Keyboard-Express/dp/B005U7WUU6 > > but i dont know if Logic key commands will change in the future then i d be > stucked with this keyboard > plus if someone uses my mac they ill probably be tripping with such a flashy > keyboard;-) > > any experiences or comments? > > http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 06:08:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 597071834D5; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 06:08:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 718256.55336.bm@omp1024.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1341468503; bh=KQv5jvccUfgIZbt6Mu8rn1OM/nr91FG9pmiGgl/x5Yg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NKnIufL/MajMp8+8N7ZAdkmhlbaVSgm3W5uXLHU+Pfo6MAM0+zAr84GMtoXL2PzlsemV6J3wmJg+RjMDzb51CfIO1AEp1Q8dGcb8EFQVWdv87Q0WTjQFbU4KTjIKwRJDn5mKdmjgq+N9HG4dAjNqdW6bASomxGx70CaV4pS+Bfw= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ihccg85qj1cUTrrve3jcyWkSzNll8DBRsMGjwj/EO7+vailT/ZFmVo1wurNhpRl7lgWDZNDJz/unk34CxhuAZHLmFqqk13oskLEmliJu0Q59uYNkkBhzsTqyUtDHFBN+UhidZG4YogR9Xo0Mh39qekUgNkWWpYN/lLF+8Zc8XxE=; X-YMail-OSG: yw8Nj88VM1nOTD2nm1E5y_WKsYEKt2vUaOjghWa8Y7DnN1p g4nVip8WLDU5pTVpsBt5kyd_UwmhvRpP9YCfWf6DtzMZSYfuoWtMdnxBZBtI 3D16MwRaREE2j_EOydq14Xpl.b1lrzU2ZbbPAV1YOK2RMBGutKBgncIxXgmY MZmB5DSHADcpc5lN3G0YA5pwQb5sVU8ZD_6S8jeZ1k1v3.0k3UjLuRF9Rtoc DCqfU1hPIl0o81ImKY7ugIvkoQ9yQwZ5Bv8DDlVOwdn47H8bi0.eyIBaIOpV DLQtSiw_dxTaa.TMTuNzhSvF4.n3Y5EwuNCSjRH0BLq0L3RFu7H_onanWpiW Yojc1iDismVMKG4KGJrsDZ.ssw8xQhd05mFYW4ZKWlMhReD7D7O0XGXIu0DN gCyMXAueyaKd7s.240KHb4A6gqNOjjIu_gzTAteY_rcSTk25Yk1legut7NEU WPGx1WcVBkeViD9RnChPYfwLdBwhOPI4Jf3_P_Lgsao7jzqAhWN2W9K.RCmK I3P5RelwpNtm.YtPBSUv_GEuCIA47yQi_W_vLpi7ZzzHAcgvcT9cLMHUK.ik zA4Hc3257ff_LaG5Tvq6zrNK0CPKoepOQXRUJ83dLqKh4T1ic6MQncyWgjZr Wu6nhxPXuewa3q6KLH4NQsIGev6TF9jo0teQP0hlj9S5M4BPWz5L7tm9aCTm BruZ7Z4sJ0bEWt5jMjkC5L6y_3QeJcHMyS2BuyTOWGLtR.b5Tz69l6Vtnhqx IjBjRaDWSPSg6X17rEc4ZeJMpXpiJHyNcBnyNV4ZG4o_hOJzVR2PxSsH4s82 GCzlfvhl4gGF61CJ6ndHw9.EGswV9GmFyxYXgz20rft0GiUAejVpwrauVlGt Q10lPdy95j_vOQuwCl81d3u9g X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <1341420164.55362.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1341468503.33815.YahooMailNeo@web120704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 23:08:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Reply-To: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: keyboard and covers for logic pro 9 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1167350687-619396839-1341468503=:33815" Resent-Message-ID: <_FWjF.A.4V.Y9S9PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 06:08:25 +0000 (UTC) --1167350687-619396839-1341468503=:33815 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great tips thanx Per,but with this apple wireless keyboard not all comands = work from the drop menu and thats what drives me nuts,=0Aas you said i dont= want to start modifying the defaut ones either=0Aand this is why im consid= ering getting the bigger keyboard with numeric pad and then get the cover t= o speed things up=0Ai dont know which keyboard logic uses to program all of= those comands but is certainly not this one=0Athe other issue is that i ha= ve the German keyboard while i use Logic in english.=0Acheers=0ALuis=0A=0A= =A0=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A________________________= ________=0A From: Per Boysen =0ATo: Loopers-Delight =0ASent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 8:00 P= M=0ASubject: Re: keyboard and covers for logic pro 9=0A =0ALogic key comman= ds have changed quite often. The reason for that is=0Athat there is no "sta= ndard setup", since most Logic users make their=0Aown choice on what key co= mmands to use. It is so easy to save your key=0Acommands to a USB stick and= bring (or keep at your online dropbox) if=0Aworking at some other studio.= =0A=0APeople use to talk in a comparative way about Pro Tools and Logic=0As= aying that Pro Tools is for music engineers while Logic is for music=0Acomp= osers. Therefore Logic is not "an application to learn" but rather=0A"a too= l to use". Simply put, you can't learn Logic; you should rather=0Alearn Mus= ic Recording Production. Then you can pick the tools you need=0Afrom the va= st Logic toolbox in order to get the job done. The key=0Acommands issue is = one example of this.=0A=0AHere are some useful Logic hints:=0A- Study all d= rop-down menues. The key current commands are displayed=0Aby the commands.= =0A- Hit "alt k" for the Key Commands List. Study it and get inspired for= =0Aa work-flow.=A0 (Note that there are hundreds of more command than would= =0Aever fit into the drop-down menue, but here every damn process you can= =0Aparform in Logic is listed. Sorted under headers of the work space=0Awin= dows they are affecting data in).=0A- When choosing some new key commands f= or your own work-flow, do not=0Achange or delete those who came with the de= fault installation.=0A=0ASome fav key commands I always add for my personal= setup are:=0A=0A1. Play from Previous Bar.=0A2. Play from Left Window Edge= .=0A3. Set Locators by Regions/Events/Marquee.=0A=0AI also set Logic to not= allow diagonal dragging of objects, because=0Athat is asking for troubles = (you never know when you dropped something=0Aat the wrong place until after= a while when you hear that the music is=0Afucked up by some stupid "progra= mming mistake"). In the long run it=0Agoes faster to drag stuff with two mo= use clicks when going diagonal=0A(since you rarely make mistakes then):=0A= =0AThe place is "Preferences / General / Editing".=0AAt "Limit Dragging to = One Direction In" I suggest you select both=0A"Arrange" and "Piano Roll and= Score".=0A=0AGreetings from Sweden=0A=0APer Boysen=0Awww.perboysen.com=0Ah= ttp://www.youtube.com/perboysen=0A=0A=0AOn Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Lui= s Angulo wrote:=0A> yo gang,=0A> since moving from= Sonar to Logic my workflow has gone a bit slower since im=0A> not too acqu= ainted yet with all of the keyboard shorcuts=0A> i have the small wireless = keyboard that comes with the imac but ive been=0A> checking out for alterna= tives=0A>=0A> this company sells the cover for this keyobard but they dont = have a pic of=0A> it yet:=0A>=0A> http://www.kbcovers.com/servlet/Categorie= s?category=3DLogic+Pro%2FExpress=0A>=0A> But im debating wether i should ge= t that or the bigger numeric keypad apple=0A> keyboard and a cover which wo= uld run about 90.-dlls=0A>=0A> or just the logic ready keyboard like this o= ne which is 9 dlls more:=0A> http://www.amazon.com/LogicKeyboard-Logic-Pres= et-Keyboard-Express/dp/B005U7WUU6=0A>=0A> but i dont know if Logic key comm= ands will change in the future then i d be=0A> stucked with this keyboard= =0A> plus if someone uses my mac they ill probably be tripping with such a = flashy=0A> keyboard;-)=0A>=0A> any experiences or comments?=0A>=0A> http://= www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --1167350687-619396839-1341468503=:33815 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Great tips= thanx Per,but with this apple wireless keyboard not all comands work from = the drop menu and thats what drives me nuts,
as you = said i dont want to start modifying the defaut ones either
and this is why im considering getting the bigger keyboard with nume= ric pad and then get the cover to speed things up
i = dont know which keyboard logic uses to program all of those comands but is = certainly not this one
the other issue is that i hav= e the German keyboard while i use Logic in english.
= cheers
Luis
 
ht= tp://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom

= From: Per Boysen <perbo= ysen@gmail.com>
To:= Loopers-Delight <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 8:00 = PM
Subject: Re: keyboa= rd and covers for logic pro 9

Logic key commands hav= e changed quite often. The reason for that is
that there is no "standard= setup", since most Logic users make their
own choice on what key comman= ds to use. It is so easy to save your key
commands to a USB stick and br= ing (or keep at your online dropbox) if
working at some other studio.
People use to talk in a comparative way about Pro Tools and Logic
s= aying that Pro Tools is for music engineers while Logic is for music
composers. Th= erefore Logic is not "an application to learn" but rather
"a tool to use= ". Simply put, you can't learn Logic; you should rather
learn Music Reco= rding Production. Then you can pick the tools you need
from the vast Log= ic toolbox in order to get the job done. The key
commands issue is one e= xample of this.

Here are some useful Logic hints:
- Study all dro= p-down menues. The key current commands are displayed
by the commands.- Hit "alt k" for the Key Commands List. Study it and get inspired fora work-flow.  (Note that there are hundreds of more command than woul= d
ever fit into the drop-down menue, but here every damn process you can=
parform in Logic is listed. Sorted under headers of the work space
w= indows they are affecting data in).
- When choosing some new key command= s for your own work-flow, do not
change or delete those who came with the default installation.

Some fav key commands I always add f= or my personal setup are:

1. Play from Previous Bar.
2. Play from= Left Window Edge.
3. Set Locators by Regions/Events/Marquee.

I a= lso set Logic to not allow diagonal dragging of objects, because
that is= asking for troubles (you never know when you dropped something
at the w= rong place until after a while when you hear that the music is
fucked up= by some stupid "programming mistake"). In the long run it
goes faster t= o drag stuff with two mouse clicks when going diagonal
(since you rarely= make mistakes then):

The place is "Preferences / General / Editing"= .
At "Limit Dragging to One Direction In" I suggest you select both
"= Arrange" and "Piano Roll and Score".

Greetings from Sweden

Pe= r Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen


On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Luis Angulo <louie.angulo@yahoo.c= om> wrote:
> yo gang,
> since moving from Sonar to Logic= my workflow has gone a bit slower since im
> not too acquainted yet = with all of the keyboard shorcuts
> i have the small wireless keyboar= d that comes with the imac but ive been
> checking out for alternativ= es
>
> this company sells the cover for this keyobard but they = dont have a pic of
> it yet:
>
> http://www.kbcovers.com/servlet/Categories?category=3DLogic+Pro%2FExpr= ess
>
> But im debating wether i should get that or the big= ger numeric keypad apple
> keyboard and a cover which would run about= 90.-dlls
>
> or just the logic ready keyboard like this one wh= ich is 9 dlls more:
> http://www.amaz= on.com/LogicKeyboard-Logic-Preset-Keyboard-Express/dp/B005U7WUU6
>= ;
> but i dont know if Logic key commands will change in the future t= hen i d be
> stucked with this keyboard
> plus if someone uses = my mac they ill probably be tripping with such a flashy
> keyboard;-)=
>
> any experiences or comments?
>
> http://www.myspace.co= m/luisangulocom



--1167350687-619396839-1341468503=:33815-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 16:08:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2203A1834D3; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 16:08:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FF5BBDA.30200@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 12:07:54 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 16:08:09 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long Special Focus on Radio Massacre International. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Lost in Transit 1 - The Gatherings 2004" on Northern Echo. Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet. Note: The WDIY website has changed and the Galactic Travels portion is gone. I will be working this issue. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 20:05:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 326D01834D7; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 20:05:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=eadVyTkHn0KLzBPfxykRBfuD3HhBbSCIF0NnmKnpdLs=; b=eOFeS0sMw4cjDDHuVK09NENJ5UyVxlVnzsxYaO2dkaCs+64BYJULLMdSF/G1LiWKgj J9WSzhqwg42fUP7h+MlRjzWcg9PF88k2rMq8NxM4bxMDVKtBPPefu2Rl2Uv+JzLTgaBE rCirftwYESFNjhPFMv/B10e+IMM6+ZRSSc5XxExPl0022pikGObhH//FPIeWnsFcJLKt bO+eVJoP+QLKZQP2PEL4gObgNOiBp+Fu8L9XMp3GdTe4MLJYUMT4c1MZydSYI/0ltv9D o6WVQRXtazhQj0sm6UJ4FXYDg2io4qesPxi2DokZa/DcNSyYmZanSrvTc2ljmzx52B0S KRLg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 13:05:23 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Mobius behavior From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 20:05:25 +0000 (UTC) Any idea why UNDO wouldn't work in Mobius for me (I've got Mobius 2 running as a plugin in Live 8.2.2) on a Mac but this happens as a stand alone as well-UNDO doesn't work via FCB 1010 midi or clicking on the button in the Mobius window.) Apologies if people would rather I ask specific Mobius questions over on that board, I just happen to be more at home here. Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 20:20:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17D291834D8; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 20:20:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=gguI8sq2RiRfrn7zRQQJU3mfHXDZaB1tQ7f4YTMx2wk=; b=bJZsErFue3QGmmbN/JDtKV6XCBCa+PoH8JffJB47sbhQsIWbY31B0PDrUCgGItxwq0 Q9PFfjtv/0xGGs0AjATcOUBxeq9qSvNjw2VZhnruzRqnIpKUpmFc2TMnAvVBdHo6797n 9gV/bcvFZJJJlGKdNawhrUJ93XSHs+FiV5OPd7aTrm/KEFPmjkYRIDI4nBc/pKFiSCXW NIsayqwQiy8zllynWv5sbMtVk6K0c2HXGagQYcRzpq6OO/fT0LK0vmDatj6hpqwSlBTZ erqblsgt2LofcumwsKC/VwhBnWAfNJcR6YYFOTBVdiao1w3rRVBffgEJYx1dlLYahrPp EPnw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 22:20:01 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius behavior From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 20:20:03 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 10:05 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > Any idea why UNDO wouldn't work in Mobius for me Yes. Because your preferences "Maximum Undo" and "Maximum Redo" are set to a bad number. I remember one older version of Mobius where the default was "0" and of course that would come out as "undo not working" :-)) You'll find that setting under "Configuration/Presets/General". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 20:23:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C339B1834D5; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 20:23:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.236.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:BY2PRD0410HT005.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI X-BigFish: PS-4(zzbb2dI98dI9371I1432Izz1202hzz8275bh8275dhz2fh2a8h668h839h944he5bhf0ah107ah) Received-SPF: pass (mail48-am1: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.236.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.236.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=BY2PRD0410HT005.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Mobius behavior Thread-Topic: Mobius behavior Thread-Index: AQHNWumJ7NEwp3WfLUWpEYr/lKOuCZcazlgA Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 20:23:13 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.255.115.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: <6pIovC.A.BjG.3ef9PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 20:23:19 +0000 (UTC) As you record and edit loops, do you see the Layer List (a horizontal group of yellow bars which is normally in the upper left corner) growing? If not, then check the Max Undo preset parameter. If this is set to a small number then we won't be saving many layers for undo and it may sound like nothing is happening, especially if you have feedback turned down. This should default to being empty which means infinite undo. Jeff On 7/5/12 3:05 PM, "Kevin Cheli-Colando" wrote: >Any idea why UNDO wouldn't work in Mobius for me (I've got Mobius 2 >running as a plugin in Live 8.2.2) on a Mac but this happens as a >stand alone as well-UNDO doesn't work via FCB 1010 midi or clicking on >the button in the Mobius window.) > >Apologies if people would rather I ask specific Mobius questions over >on that board, I just happen to be more at home here. > >Kevin > >--=20 >Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a >form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. > >- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > >Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org >Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 20:31:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3ED61834CC; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 20:31:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=39YcUYrp6zZ6dqjDPq2ZH2TMkkOkzMmKfL8pfOYiGl0=; b=RaFwLaNLXGBVUIZniDEgrBU4hunB5F3UdQy5eMY68fABZzHHeLhX+HRhEUeIaa0z1U Tn7mFpfzMvymJ3vs4SwKENeZR+luiH//gbGldC53CO9g76e49KFFNbwbAwgS0g1G4CBa CdueuO0rMVe6FWOluUmL8+mpuItbjAMdPvJvTpu+Rin9xK6KfG2LFcDUWxo54mHW2iG7 fNUTQVUB6w5fSNxUftSqCYVEYjS0rrVvxeA3FYmsxEIIc9HoTywPUwXAft+erAlnZbHE 1VqsBdDjCMvKwrXIJzpesQF5DxnNYiNjSjcpUXamNnTKAAB1O9XbBDBcLhtH7IwEswI6 lIzw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 21:31:34 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius behavior From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 20:31:36 +0000 (UTC) if you empty that field, the default value sets itself to zero On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > This should default to being empty which means infinite undo. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 20:40:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC87D1834D5; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 20:40:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=w+kYcGSVtf8tdmtaGC9km5Pl9cBvYpauzEa9iyWrDEE=; b=NQPcKkS8Ru9PMRDG3NETbghE2Rl6zt67fZTlXycUB01tB5VJ3Iu7w5rkYY3oVSbGxU YfUGUYgsoJqDcJ2Urx1Hd/TjCct/wvW2Magf17dvmGsnmCSzm5yee9nEjeFWDB+kyOVu TdZKFwKX1SAbelCk32rj+FRuL98SkWqMYG8PfFZmR11bWVX2ynRb95nC/TUBW3Fn/xwf iLtNT4S5nJ0tjxW/1EY+zr0/GVYPuH4tAI5qe13lQgMwCr/dQHZklgfkUt1I1plXcNcO L0mcbvGuPGpc5QTWouCI3uJ7t+h/I59v0LUdcVAXpbmJrNdZyZ7SR+pDm/HnoR15LLIo geQw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 22:40:24 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius behavior From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <_aCVCC.A.23G.5uf9PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 20:40:25 +0000 (UTC) For the last year I have been using the Max/Min Undo/Redo value 333. Can't go wrong with that. Highly recommended. Per On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 10:31 PM, Simeon Harris wrote: > if you empty that field, the default value sets itself to zero > > > > On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > >> This should default to being empty which means infinite undo. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 20:50:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70DF11834CC; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 20:50:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.236.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:BY2PRD0410HT002.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI X-BigFish: PS-4(zzbb2dI98dI9371I1432Izz1202hzz8275bhz2fh2a8h668h839h944he5bhf0ah107ah) Received-SPF: pass (mail177-co1: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.236.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.236.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=BY2PRD0410HT002.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Mobius behavior Thread-Topic: Mobius behavior Thread-Index: AQHNWumJ7NEwp3WfLUWpEYr/lKOuCZcazlgAgABWKwCAAAJ3AP//rwsA Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 20:50:40 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.255.115.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 20:50:47 +0000 (UTC) I have to use 334. 333 is never enough for me. On a serious note, if you're the type of looper that likes to fold, spindle, and mutilate loops for an hour or more without resetting, it is important that you set Max Undo to a non-zero value. Undo layers take memory, and Mobius will happily consume all available physical and virtual memory and crash the machine if you let it. The default should really be 100 or 333 rather than infinite. I recommend you set this as low as you are comfortable with. Undoing back through every edit and feedback pass till you reach the first loop can be fun but it comes at a cost. Jeff =20 On 7/5/12 3:40 PM, "Per Boysen" wrote: >For the last year I have been using the Max/Min Undo/Redo value 333. >Can't go wrong with that. Highly recommended. > >Per > > >On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 10:31 PM, Simeon Harris > wrote: >> if you empty that field, the default value sets itself to zero >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Jeff Larson >>wrote: >> >>> This should default to being empty which means infinite undo. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 20:57:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7ED4F1834D1; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 20:57:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=vEmCYnWvcLOacIApylD4wr6btMhwf2MQcSNHTweM1eE=; b=ZX/7fHgxJXqdoWRDC6Yez7BlbZYpvYH9kljjBaNYoFtb7yu6GKGUovlx4zgkLXslOS 8ynE+jhk5nYIDFp6+wkopxk0VaDmacLL+jtQtQbll2EY/I2yO1K7W1wQtFtIGrbMSX0B 8kWHDYi6xt9T/mZk03E8x4kCsiadciiapUBNjx1ATB8AWg4+iOG53facNBEFquTHhOkI Ud7LZrKkgpRfFOMqLnD05yziXJFxPwhDhkn2i8cdov7Y+dcTeL6SnJrGcYb9WG6lGUpi jpo0sCcAHP87HPt+XC61PaL2htal/RJX706VcAB06SC+O+Lk0yJDHqYjOkM0rFhS/ea2 EFbA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 22:56:59 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius behavior From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 20:57:00 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 10:50 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > The default should > really > be 100 or 333 rather than infinite. I recommend you set this as low as > you are > comfortable with. Undoing back through every edit and feedback pass till > you > reach the first loop can be fun but it comes at a cost. Oops. Does it snag a lot of resources? Maybe I should go back to 66 that I was using back in my PC days? I guess it starts over from zero with a Global Reset? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 21:09:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20AF71834D1; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 21:09:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.236.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:BY2PRD0410HT004.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI X-BigFish: PS-4(zzbb2dI98dI9371I1432Izz1202hzz8275bhc704dhz2fh2a8h668h839h944he5bhf0ah107ah) Received-SPF: pass (mail58-va3: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.236.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.236.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=BY2PRD0410HT004.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Mobius behavior Thread-Topic: Mobius behavior Thread-Index: AQHNWumJ7NEwp3WfLUWpEYr/lKOuCZcazlgAgABWKwCAAAJ3AP//rwsAgABVmID//6+0AA== Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 21:09:39 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.255.115.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 21:09:44 +0000 (UTC) It's just memory. If you can fill 333 layers and still be under the maximum virtual memory size then you're fine. If you did this in all 8 tracks it might be a problem. The memory will be returned to an internal memory pool when you reset the track and used for other things. It will however still be "owned" by Mobius and can't be shared with the host application. So depending on what you do you could let Mobius take all the memory, and leave none left over for Logic or Ableton. If that happened you would have to restart the host. As far as CPU goes it doesn't have much of an impact, but if you fill up physical memory it will start paging things out to the virtual memory file. This can slow things down and cause audio glitches on some hardware. =20 Jeff On 7/5/12 3:56 PM, "Per Boysen" wrote: >On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 10:50 PM, Jeff Larson >wrote: >> The default should >> really >> be 100 or 333 rather than infinite. I recommend you set this as low as >> you are >> comfortable with. Undoing back through every edit and feedback pass >>till >> you >> reach the first loop can be fun but it comes at a cost. > > >Oops. Does it snag a lot of resources? Maybe I should go back to 66 >that I was using back in my PC days? I guess it starts over from zero >with a Global Reset? > >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen >www.perboysen.com >http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 22:42:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 689CF1834D0; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 22:42:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.236.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:BY2PRD0410HT004.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI X-BigFish: PS-4(zzbb2dI98dI9371I1432Izz1202hzz8275bhz2fh2a8h668h839h944he5bhf0ah107ah) Received-SPF: pass (mail118-co1: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.236.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.236.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=BY2PRD0410HT004.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Mobius behavior Thread-Topic: Mobius behavior Thread-Index: AQHNWumJ7NEwp3WfLUWpEYr/lKOuCZcazlgAgABWKwD//64GAA== Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 20:38:12 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.255.115.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: <3MTW8D.A.mO.Uhh9PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 22:42:28 +0000 (UTC) Zero also means infinite. On 7/5/12 3:31 PM, "Simeon Harris" wrote: >if you empty that field, the default value sets itself to zero > > > >On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Jeff Larson >wrote: > >> This should default to being empty which means infinite undo. >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 23:16:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62B061834CC; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 23:16:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 401 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 23:16:02 UTC X-Authenticated: #113868007 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+l6v0N/06l4mDMJKaVPb3m0jWGZ9kLmwrGEQWzP7 /S0KzuxGzXuF6V From: Christoph Lehmann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Halfspeed doesn't work with Mobius and Softstep Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 01:09:19 +0200 Message-Id: To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 23:16:02 +0000 (UTC) Hello everyone, I'm exploring Mobius since a while and I recently switched from the = fcb-1010 controller to a keith mcmillen softstep, due to its size and = cause it's usb powered. In addition to the fact this pedal is very wayward, it seems like it = can't control the half speed function properly. I can switch a loop to half speed, but once it is in the half speed = mode, i can't go back to normal speed with a second press. instead there = appears noise with each further press and sometimes it causes ableton, = which i use as host, to crash. I don't have this problem with any other = function and never had it before, when i used the fcb. any ideas? Sorry for my bad grammar ;) Chris= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 23:23:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38C831834D5; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 23:23:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=FLE3R5tXCGn2Hd2qRvJax+U+EjFHaOtpwiv867SYqQo=; b=RmzFb/CZuKBrvf6InFGygrnQHOxlrcLCx1rDC9da1CxEC07ziUlAAympKJ+j4eZcCG PIzE+cYwcDn/zFNeAcgYUAcacjhZ8oIOYGN/WQHqBHIm9Ap9oEzv1ynkN2sz7rBTzN48 dRwh84bE+LJzC5s6FSt6AXvWbLLPyAb4KjtbiF2SDWcSmXDDz4Gcl92tUh9wYiJ5Rr9m FFW4HnbGrwN9UXb7OlryUru6UaOkXURomBiEIhoB2TRHTTSupPgZMcoZ7OuXSpOeWH6i 9Iq+umq4EIhKJPPO40mrnBQDg3N6PaStWvVPvd75ePUNSXrBBE3aDgh81ftw7pmhwexH XwSg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: todd reynolds Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 19:22:23 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Halfspeed doesn't work with Mobius and Softstep To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54eeaa0e014e304c41d6d45 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 23:23:03 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec54eeaa0e014e304c41d6d45 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Christoph. I'm going to let other answer your specific problem, however, with the soft step, although it's quirky sometimes, one thing you can do to improve things is use it in standalone mode=85 just save your presets to the pedal directly. I'm not sure at all that this is your problem, but it sort of smoothed out a lot of problems I was having. all best, todd On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 7:09 PM, Christoph Lehmann wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I'm exploring Mobius since a while and I recently switched from the > fcb-1010 controller to a keith mcmillen softstep, due to its size and cau= se > it's usb powered. > > In addition to the fact this pedal is very wayward, it seems like it can'= t > control the half speed function properly. > I can switch a loop to half speed, but once it is in the half speed mode, > i can't go back to normal speed with a second press. instead there appear= s > noise with each further press and sometimes it causes ableton, which i us= e > as host, to crash. I don't have this problem with any other function and > never had it before, when i used the fcb. > any ideas? > > Sorry for my bad grammar ;) > Chris > --bcaec54eeaa0e014e304c41d6d45 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Christoph. =A0I'm going to let other answer your specific problem, = however, with the soft step, although it's quirky sometimes, one thing = you can do to improve things is use it in standalone mode=85 just save your= presets to the pedal directly. =A0I'm not sure at all that this is you= r problem, but it sort of smoothed out a lot of problems I was having. =A0<= div>
all best,=A0

todd

On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 7:09 PM, Christoph Lehma= nn <= krrrs@gmx.de> wrote:
Hello everyone,

I'm exploring Mobius since a while and I recently switched from the fcb= -1010 controller to a keith mcmillen softstep, due to its size and cause it= 's usb powered.

In addition to the fact this pedal is very wayward, it seems like it can= 9;t control the half speed function properly.
I can switch a loop to half speed, but once it is in the half speed mode, i= can't go back to normal speed with a second press. instead there appea= rs noise with each further press and sometimes it causes ableton, which i u= se as host, to crash. I don't have this problem with any other function= and never had it before, when i used the fcb.
any ideas?

Sorry for my bad grammar ;)
Chris




--bcaec54eeaa0e014e304c41d6d45-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 23:29:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CA731834D1; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 23:29:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.236.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:BY2PRD0410HT004.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI X-BigFish: PS-5(zzbb2dI98dI9371I1432I14ffIzz1202hzzz2fh2a8h668h839h944he5bhf0ah107ah) Received-SPF: pass (mail5-ch1: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.236.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.236.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=BY2PRD0410HT004.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Halfspeed doesn't work with Mobius and Softstep Thread-Topic: Halfspeed doesn't work with Mobius and Softstep Thread-Index: AQHNWwQqesdXancDJEyo9R3ZwxhYO5cbAiOA Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 23:29:21 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.255.115.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <420809A33782B84D8C7DF2917C728714@namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 23:29:42 +0000 (UTC) Make sure you are using the function named "Speed" and not "Halfspeed". Speed is the function that toggles half speed on and off. Halfspeed is the function that puts you in half speed if you're not already there, but leaves you there if you're already in half speed. It is the opposite of "Fullspeed". The names are changing in the next release to be "Toggle Halfspeed" and "Halfspeed". As far as the SoftStep weirdness I can't be much help other than checking to make sure it isn't sending out anything extra besides the one note you want for Speed. If it sending out extra stuff, Ableton might be trying to respond to it. Jeff On 7/5/12 6:09 PM, "Christoph Lehmann" wrote: >Hello everyone, > >I'm exploring Mobius since a while and I recently switched from the >fcb-1010 controller to a keith mcmillen softstep, due to its size and >cause it's usb powered. > >In addition to the fact this pedal is very wayward, it seems like it >can't control the half speed function properly. >I can switch a loop to half speed, but once it is in the half speed mode, >i can't go back to normal speed with a second press. instead there >appears noise with each further press and sometimes it causes ableton, >which i use as host, to crash. I don't have this problem with any other >function and never had it before, when i used the fcb. >any ideas? > >Sorry for my bad grammar ;) >Chris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 01:48:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC3081834D1; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 01:48:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:from:content-type:x-mailer:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=8CYalIuQ1rmD3kOYRM5LztUz7uislLJyrLmok0iaxxM=; b=j1/Dr9t7K8w6BNs9eN9D3AEUHdOyDRWKIiSocVV+UudFHbP9/2XW7ITJfT81yu1vbL sKb5OZbEwH+j9gOl3DnIskV7t/DimSbfCHEwKrPCbuglQ6a4It96tEsIxvKNkk9jpYgc xklR5npZ/0kZepb9JG3/tLew1CtAPYVQVA48Jhi6DLKgJ6blXLDvI9iWfBR4CnT4gkJZ YVV/+M/a3t6/owl9NTFWDi6ixVGPExIToIWnTr0mUdFjv+SvuTpY+PvBjwJ2d+AcJDR6 b+PavwvXIWiMt4IbFZ/Yi1+JQbKx3xuUbmRQYfWG63Ia0qZJG3AI4/0GIpPx2Ty5zpKo yRVQ== Subject: Zoe video from Australia tour From: Jim Goodin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 21:48:08 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 01:48:09 +0000 (UTC) Don't know if this has already been posted but really artful and beautiful p= erformance of Zoe Keating's from her recent Ausy tour. Passing it along fro= m seeing on Tumblr follow.. http://m.youtube.com/?reload=3D3&rdm=3Dm34ihv6v5# Jim= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 04:02:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE62C1834CF; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 04:02:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=JQdkJtUB/u5vlqWtEYbv8bh+ZRLkjfJy7X3bJJfDYfw=; b=FYVxL5DOzb3BTwhyzkmthgAEntztcz0qi66woN8NMhj11wh6uUt3fAl8sAl6B3qR5o xk5Sw8cjVqO2dwFKCN+XiVCyIW8/8dUutG3tAP5/dWgXAZtOdpe+6EWuyZyNp5qu3ODx PPav+zBKWja/DW+UYGHrwFZonBeZ+KJTnZNrx2WdL89udIW42M8rIVi+Hiw/6MGl5pLw MyiiT9xS9hUshSIs7nhaNS5z8Um2Lzdtm13oeKLnk/sJY+++48uAwtU5SaADNp2xNDD3 NZDpi7nyrYDOP3byP0vK7ZtcNnzg1r++qHlMzhOsDbIXL3YaZbVmpoE0Ro2ziwQybePZ OTcQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 21:02:15 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius behavior From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 04:02:16 +0000 (UTC) Thank you all. One last thing, just to clarify my terminology. There are 4 tracks and 8 loops present in the default set up, yes? I ask because when I switch from track 1 to 2 the audio of track 1 goes silent and I can only hear track 2. When I go back to track 1, the audio comes back but it then erases itself after one pass (and track 2 is muted). Is this also a default setting that can be changed or something else? Almost there I think. Kevin On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > Zero also means infinite. > > On 7/5/12 3:31 PM, "Simeon Harris" wrote: > >>if you empty that field, the default value sets itself to zero >> >> >> >>On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Jeff Larson >>wrote: >> >>> This should default to being empty which means infinite undo. >>> >> >> > > -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 10:03:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7E081834CA; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 10:03:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #113868007 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/zQjBZLUrzIh7GhSNiUUh0H+FW4XfjUPH9kBBWM6 pmYrdd006lexQo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Subject: Re: Halfspeed doesn't work with Mobius and Softstep From: Christoph Lehmann In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 12:03:00 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 10:03:04 +0000 (UTC) thanks jeff. this could really be the problem. must have overseen this, when i set up the midi bindings completely new = for the softstep. stupid me. hey todd, think i will try the standalone mode soon, to see what happens, but most = of the softsteps strange behaviors are related to functions, that are = only available in the host mode, so it wouldn't help much. Chris= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 10:51:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0A231834CC; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 10:51:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=C2APVNsUSVpUsAbhNgxUVMI98SNYXDf1+8YtZ+eEGXI=; b=XIpgO2QzhVCEJQO0JKFaU8MvtT0XiD/a56J9UtJFikzrphso9gp3ZhF66zNSwYUHdh tcOwJxJpD3N6dhWtilTuSfSxmpZPALv7A7+/JWvKecmA9PxsSJLEMNqoKfmKSgUiBUaZ pQFVid+MM/IR/+P4uXWJSw0R6OYyLKiApWHJGZS/HthbbewiXrAePF0xiarp1ghNFzJm W8jTUu7LVFBCsiYwy7cxjb4UlhzXEvu5crpbxdb/ZNMysObfqY40j6VPqYegZj6DcySA S1OW8EAw49QROT84jBMZBPaXD9nd55pRcuHKxtr83r77qoYC6pbDrwgsILo+e/8/YYAV Rx/Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 12:51:46 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius behavior From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 10:51:47 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kevin, Under the "Configuration" menu you may set Mobius up as you like it. If using the plugin version just right-click (or ctr-click if Mac with one-button mouse) inside the Mobius graphic interface window to get a drop-down menu. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > Thank you all. One last thing, just to clarify my terminology. There > are 4 tracks and 8 loops present in the default set up, yes? I ask > because when I switch from track 1 to 2 the audio of track 1 goes > silent and I can only hear track 2. When I go back to track 1, the > audio comes back but it then erases itself after one pass (and track 2 > is muted). Is this also a default setting that can be changed or > something else? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 12:42:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13A061834D3; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 12:42:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_d7f70bb5-6db7-4c72-8446-3c0c454abac9_" X-Originating-IP: [176.70.126.204] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: My first attempt at using the Lopper (pickup machine) in the Octatack Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 12:42:40 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2012 12:42:40.0231 (UTC) FILETIME=[D473DF70:01CD5B74] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 12:42:41 +0000 (UTC) --_d7f70bb5-6db7-4c72-8446-3c0c454abac9_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I did a quick improvised recording of using the pickup machine of the Octat= rack. I use two pickup macines (loopers) on two of the Octrtrack track. Onm= e is the master loop to which all other loops and the sequencer is locked. = The master loop has delay and a filter with added distortion (with the cros= sfader I can go from almost no filter to much filter) the second looper has= the LO-Fi distortion added with some fader action there as well.. Then I u= se some stuff that I did previously with verious samples and stuff.. I also= use the replece regording to chop up the loops here and there..http://soun= dcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/stripes-in-loops Only octatrack is used=2C no other effects just an V-stack tweedy as amp si= m in front of the octa.. = --_d7f70bb5-6db7-4c72-8446-3c0c454abac9_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I did a quick improvised recording of using the pickup machine of the Octat= rack. I use two pickup macines (loopers) on two of the Octrtrack track. Onm= e is the master loop to which all other loops and the sequencer is locked.&= nbsp=3B
The master loop has delay and a filter with added distortion (w= ith the crossfader I can go from almost no filter to much filter) the secon= d looper has the LO-Fi distortion added with some fader action there as wel= l.. =3B
Then I use some stuff that I did previously with veri= ous samples and stuff.. =3B
I also use the replece regording = to chop up the loops here and there..

<= div>Only octatrack is used=2C no other effects just an V-stack tweedy as am= p sim in front of the octa..  =3B
= --_d7f70bb5-6db7-4c72-8446-3c0c454abac9_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 15:23:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7747D1834C6; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 15:23:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 615012.46160.bm@omp1020.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1341588215; bh=wP8/pgaB2oDeWmPA6xJqaHVhgdyU07RrQpj8DZXatFI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=V/pci/mzo6TLW3865bZOzzV9otFIBRVM2t4QgnYlYrpz6SYDkGDhvm28z1dYnd5nEZLDEWEQW0zi0/ttBedP/c4N5DpydKPYnXSVT26Fc7gGFXcBsn6Fb4BJjp3XUgAftzf1Pxk6zEnb1tpRhtwsZbtz91Kjke4hcG/Ii2XLI+g= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uel5dZoYvfbtRYQxLUpz3zxtxOoulujAzXkXaXZt77pAJ0S6jvIOYmXn4Faot/ZwZjAHF9G9yK8l1qNcZvSN15NOkuxRWnDG334jhlpI920fNx46h+IA0dtlGcaFXKFOU73DOUDFMujmIRf1+Pixq6/U3+Wc7ohf3/pjHwYqkOQ=; X-YMail-OSG: PM87Y7YVM1nBLedVZS2bzZJG9hycZn_AIWQcAi9Ivhrtt.u YrnDIDlF19T3FMp53GjMNFttb.cYgK2WWuUlGm08qn8PUUCZqKdWOm5UCxKz Yxy4W0C9LiIqR2t9ecminI3TB69Ycbsi1A_MJqCn6siuSsMAhW21oO_qgpmW 7VR_Az5DxZ9pa7dxbZvLxuVgceP1S8MTDGXcubAWoMga98UdsK7EX.8gqpz0 37k1ghmU_CWTI4BLCKUuKVXgWTArsXQ8ehpT79os4yXTFtTu6shiiOb6uzEu 8o_Zd0NdhxxtXPZ4irksxCwxAffgZq_LT_DBZKGylU6wZLWYwayvOhyxePrh tgSyrzzP5cY3oFSd9nIzoJdU64an9nTGxbep5yzc.ICC_kbuXIShnBGrYrcD f0Yv_JaXEUOaYMpYO5qHum6jYvrtxAFNdVxRQl1i3qgGnUWHHpx4HI6CDonk TU1IVCMrBxjt1jgrPLXOGtJClaNezNxYdjK8Enr2F8vHJW1_L15l0QGdjZzT rFXtrFXOX1fuQLOECIWnXnwfkAz_4I4.p3MUoRWTBTP6iagGnOhelW0rH0hz 4TKzZxeDdiPDE6Blu.YCLutY- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: Message-ID: <1341588214.73010.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 08:23:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Reply-To: Paul Richards Subject: It's a L'il Looper! To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-250207800-1069994606-1341588214=:73010" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 15:23:36 +0000 (UTC) ---250207800-1069994606-1341588214=:73010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ________________________________ I don't recall anyone mentioning this soon-to-be-released unit. Cheap at $159.00 USD. http://www.voxamps.com/pedals/lillooper/ ---250207800-1069994606-1341588214=:73010 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii


 
I don't recall anyone mentioning this soon-to-be-released unit. Cheap at $159.00 USD.
 
---250207800-1069994606-1341588214=:73010-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 15:46:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05D1E1834C0; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 15:46:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at d2.hostbaby.com References: <1341588214.73010.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1341588214.73010.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-09550A77-DDF8-4690-80FA-C39F584A7211 Message-Id: Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) From: John Floridis Subject: Re: It's a L'il Looper! Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 09:46:24 -0600 To: Paul Richards Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 15:46:28 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-09550A77-DDF8-4690-80FA-C39F584A7211 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I might have missed this, but I'm wondering if the two "phrases" can be sync= ed, ie., a 2 measure phrase of guitar "percussion" on #1 synced with, say, 8= measures of a chord progression.=20 On Jul 6, 2012, at 9:23 AM, Paul Richards wrot= e: >=20 >=20 > =20 > I don't recall anyone mentioning this soon-to-be-released unit. Cheap at $= 159.00 USD. > =20 > http://www.voxamps.com/pedals/lillooper/ --Apple-Mail-09550A77-DDF8-4690-80FA-C39F584A7211 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
I might have missed this, but I'm wondering if the two "phrases" can be synced, ie., a 2 measure phrase of guitar "percussion" on #1 synced with, say, 8 measures of a chord progression. 



On Jul 6, 2012, at 9:23 AM, Paul Richards <paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com> wrote:



 
I don't recall anyone mentioning this soon-to-be-released unit. Cheap at $159.00 USD.
 
--Apple-Mail-09550A77-DDF8-4690-80FA-C39F584A7211-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 16:15:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44AAD1834C7; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 16:15:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 780899396/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.24.134/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.24.134 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArIBAHEO909YbRiG/2dsb2JhbAANOIVkoE+UKgEBAQQjFToGEQsYAgIFFggDAgIJAwIBAgEzAREZAwGHeQMWp2GTC4EgiTNmgwqCCoESA5p6hUCHYA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,539,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="780899396" Message-ID: <4FF70F41.8000900@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2012 17:16:01 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: It's a L'il Looper! References: <1341588214.73010.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5vodjC.A.De.78w9PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 16:15:56 +0000 (UTC) As this is clearly a reduced version of the VDL-1 it's almost certain that this will be possible. Likely also that the loops can be in a polyrhythmic relationship. ..but two loops with only two switches??? andy John Floridis wrote: > I might have missed this, but I'm wondering if the two "phrases" can be > synced, ie., a 2 measure phrase of guitar "percussion" on #1 synced > with, say, 8 measures of a chord progression. > > > > On Jul 6, 2012, at 9:23 AM, Paul Richards > wrote: > >> >> >> >> I don't recall anyone mentioning this soon-to-be-released unit. Cheap >> at $159.00 USD. >> >> http://www.voxamps.com/pedals/lillooper/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 16:18:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4EF351834CF; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 16:18:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 717783.78691.bm@omp1004.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1341591536; bh=xhgFX8Qxbq+lcfwTyAhXIlFTlad6eGZLT7eAp5Nhz/s=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=R6znksBjzf5ycoNKf2j+C0ccY47fvmy6GOiJrvTWh/32HEytLsrbB3i6Pt8Diz1RzCXNwF4rhC9GLBb/svw0z0XrP05pYJgpMQ+WtUkwrrKR1uieUft48yu2DjsNpGgAEQJkKKW3cNs+OHnEA+OMFB7MQxPnl1Q4Xs37+xHAJ4c= X-YMail-OSG: fadT.JYVM1kGJRLXw2unV2zEzqbDuD_jvsL34T94kQTGzfh J4fqfubly8yLod72RtZ.VreB.igzZPcZPXPgwGKH1pcm_NWJbpd2HVX2gSJk Eo_Q9JUY99rqhARYYfgS0iQb_AZJf6BfstxRUxZ.MKrhGnc1eu8NHXFuXoyV KkKwwDFNbv1mw0qKXaOOZ1m_TxEoLi.J3hHye1l3MW973ZBcu7bYdBBgmaZe BmeTTxgzm0dUXq_navBN_S6H8vuahx77jZY_k.bPaL290f77AoNndgG3g4tk gw2CeJjBeTAG_XV7e1erUiOITuGL2803XLrybOArHEAmfLRzRfS0TJSZdiBd jK_R91R3rSf33VyeGVTYk7HW_5lPsHeeVc6LnmpJqWP1oSyS8tAfzJ2w2V.3 Njg.gfPmBLbhkwm2h7GfO.uyc9JlSp1bbSNgGkeyH_ilAEDJaFKYTPz9an9Y 9_LysLlj.zON5KAgeh.gXNLrXRWPcLDQAo.ezPsp68oW7.J772XZZ3LUV_n2 A4ubebzCGxPsYt7AM2qJ_9SGyRThh9yh.COlS8vj2Kx8ALkvizarErp9zIO6 lr62yctyyMfTBPiM6wqhq8IRvEzttcRg0iCZ.LJu28Asg4pPaKLrl_hTlHQL UDA7.UQTPoE0cdpUshtdRGFwk0D9hCKXXF3cBWBZoKbg4SxOIWZvRyD8uXNi _gza1nEM9mDcuiGpQf.7bH5S8wLTo88x59vTYO.8- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1341591536.21423.YahooMailClassic@web84519.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 09:18:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Mungenast Subject: Re: It's a L'il Looper! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4FF70F41.8000900@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 16:18:58 +0000 (UTC) It looks cool, but lack of reverse is a deal-breaker for me.=0A =0ATim Mung= enast=0AEditor/Writer/Proofreader: www.linkedin.com/in/timmungenast=0AGuita= rist/Composer/Vocalist: www.reverbnation.com/timmungenast=0A=0A=0A--- On Fr= i, 7/6/12, andy butler wrote:=0A=0A> From: andy bu= tler =0A> Subject: Re: It's a L'il Looper!=0A> To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A> Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 12:16 P= M=0A> As this is clearly a reduced version=0A> of the VDL-1 it's almost cer= tain that this will be=0A> possible.=0A> =0A> Likely also that the loops ca= n be in a polyrhythmic=0A> relationship.=0A> =0A> ..but two loops with only= two switches???=0A> =0A> andy=0A> =0A> =0A> John Floridis wrote:=0A> > I m= ight have missed this, but I'm wondering if the two=0A> "phrases" can be sy= nced, ie., a 2 measure phrase of guitar=0A> "percussion" on #1 synced with,= say, 8 measures of a chord=0A> progression. =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > On Jul 6,= 2012, at 9:23 AM, Paul Richards >=0A> wrote:=0A> > =0A> >> =0A> >> =0A> >>=A0 I = don't recall anyone mentioning this=0A> soon-to-be-released unit. Cheap at = $159.00 USD.=0A> >>=A0 http://www.voxamps.com/pedals/lillooper/=0A> =0A> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 20:02:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 942AC1834C3; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 20:02:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.236.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:BY2PRD0410HT001.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI X-BigFish: PS-4(zzbb2dI98dI9371I1432Izz1202hzz8275bhz2fh2a8h668h839h944he5bhf0ah107ah) Received-SPF: pass (mail39-db3: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.236.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.236.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=BY2PRD0410HT001.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Mobius behavior Thread-Topic: Mobius behavior Thread-Index: AQHNWumJ7NEwp3WfLUWpEYr/lKOuCZcazlgAgABWKwD//64GAIAAz+WAgACzAIA= Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 20:02:23 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.255.115.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <1A9CF1EC81D8F546AF6F7C5551615AC6@namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: <_N5TQC.A.LUC.VR09PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 20:02:30 +0000 (UTC) That's definitely not default behavior. Tracks are normally independent, how are you switching tracks with MIDI? Are you doing any complex track routing in the host or is everything coming in and going out through one Mobius port? Jeff On 7/5/12 11:02 PM, "Kevin Cheli-Colando" wrote: >Thank you all. One last thing, just to clarify my terminology. There >are 4 tracks and 8 loops present in the default set up, yes? I ask >because when I switch from track 1 to 2 the audio of track 1 goes >silent and I can only hear track 2. When I go back to track 1, the >audio comes back but it then erases itself after one pass (and track 2 >is muted). Is this also a default setting that can be changed or >something else? > >Almost there I think. > >Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 21:53:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CEC4718345E; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 21:53:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=DoFJDkRoC2tisXTMuO74VUw+qjviFc5TbvAlFHP+nZM=; b=wEAzeyU5XqC6IKYThEwzutNNWsTK0A5BA4NJoGHmmwp2wyOO5VztfqSzOHNKmH0kvf O5Um8CY1KIURF0lK7O2c6d31FUUDvezPof7+60G3x9HgWqoThilTl3Sj2ZZlVnvBps60 BAsLOUsmyTNe190E4GVKmTiPw00hhl3jgiIR2PJXgQSArZ8VtNpHNW/kqNtTHlu3dt+Z aopvDKS8l8id9P8RDiDEtVcIacghuS/Vj7BQQfMfIbw4+Fh1aqi0W2kPv1xRAHPvdqWP g6RMB0HATTTDuhnyDPrmTqRwTWYpNaILs6KvYPOGVuKx6z9yNqskTIWLb1mHh0rbkmuM 1lWw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 14:53:02 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius behavior From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04389371cb593d04c43049db Resent-Message-ID: <2fl89C.A.ETE._419PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 21:53:03 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04389371cb593d04c43049db Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 That's good to know, I was afraid I was getting near a RTFM moment. I'm switching tracks via midi notes from fcb1010. I am do not doing anything complicated (that I know of). As far as I know everything is coming and going on a single port (especially if that was the default). Kevin On Friday, July 6, 2012, Jeff Larson wrote: > That's definitely not default behavior. Tracks are normally independent, > how are you switching tracks with MIDI? Are you doing any complex track > routing > in the host or is everything coming in and going out through one Mobius > port? > > Jeff > > > On 7/5/12 11:02 PM, "Kevin Cheli-Colando" > > wrote: > > >Thank you all. One last thing, just to clarify my terminology. There > >are 4 tracks and 8 loops present in the default set up, yes? I ask > >because when I switch from track 1 to 2 the audio of track 1 goes > >silent and I can only hear track 2. When I go back to track 1, the > >audio comes back but it then erases itself after one pass (and track 2 > >is muted). Is this also a default setting that can be changed or > >something else? > > > >Almost there I think. > > > >Kevin > > > -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos --f46d04389371cb593d04c43049db Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's good to know, I was afraid I was getting near a RTFM moment.
I'm switching tracks via midi notes from fcb1010. =A0I = am do not doing anything complicated (that I know of). =A0As far as I know = everything is coming and going on a single port (especially if that was the= default).

Kevin


On Friday, July 6, 2012, Jeff L= arson wrote:
That's definitely not d= efault behavior. =A0Tracks are normally independent,
how are you switching tracks with MIDI? =A0Are you doing any complex track<= br> routing
in the host or is everything coming in and going out through one Mobius
port?

Jeff


On 7/5/12 11:02 PM, "Kevin Cheli-Colando" <billowhead@gmail.com> wrote:

>Thank you all. =A0One last thing, just to clarify my terminology. =A0Th= ere
>are 4 tracks and 8 loops present in the default set up, yes? =A0I ask >because when I switch from track 1 to 2 the audio of track 1 goes
>silent and I can only hear track 2. =A0When I go back to track 1, the >audio comes back but it then erases itself after one pass (and track 2<= br> >is muted). =A0Is this also a default setting that can be changed or
>something else?
>
>Almost there I think.
>
>Kevin




--
Till now you seriously consi= dered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ign= orance which is the root cause of all trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi (18= 79-1950)

Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.mi= nds-eye.org
Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos
--f46d04389371cb593d04c43049db-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 22:00:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63F2D18345C; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 22:00:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.236.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:BY2PRD0410HT004.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI X-BigFish: PS2(zzbb2dI98dI9371Ic85fh1432I9a6kzz1202hzz8275bh8275dhz2fh2a8h668h839he5bhf0ah107ahbe3k) Received-SPF: pass (mail45-am1: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.236.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.236.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=BY2PRD0410HT004.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Mobius behavior Thread-Topic: Mobius behavior Thread-Index: AQHNWumJ7NEwp3WfLUWpEYr/lKOuCZcazlgAgABWKwD//64GAIAAz+WAgACzAICAAHgsAP//rg2A Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 21:59:45 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.255.115.4] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CC1CC9816002Cjefflarsonsailpointcom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 22:00:01 +0000 (UTC) --_000_CC1CC9816002Cjefflarsonsailpointcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please send your mobius.xml file to jeff@circularlabs.com From: Kevin Cheli-Colando > Reply-To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > Date: Friday, July 6, 2012 4:53 PM To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > Subject: Re: Mobius behavior Resent-From: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > Resent-Date: Friday, July 6, 2012 4:53 PM That's good to know, I was afraid I was getting near a RTFM moment. I'm switching tracks via midi notes from fcb1010. I am do not doing anythi= ng complicated (that I know of). As far as I know everything is coming and= going on a single port (especially if that was the default). Kevin On Friday, July 6, 2012, Jeff Larson wrote: That's definitely not default behavior. Tracks are normally independent, how are you switching tracks with MIDI? Are you doing any complex track routing in the host or is everything coming in and going out through one Mobius port? Jeff On 7/5/12 11:02 PM, "Kevin Cheli-Colando" > wrote: >Thank you all. One last thing, just to clarify my terminology. There >are 4 tracks and 8 loops present in the default set up, yes? I ask >because when I switch from track 1 to 2 the audio of track 1 goes >silent and I can only hear track 2. When I go back to track 1, the >audio comes back but it then erases itself after one pass (and track 2 >is muted). Is this also a default setting that can be changed or >something else? > >Almost there I think. > >Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos --_000_CC1CC9816002Cjefflarsonsailpointcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <5CD77AC1411F23418A9B408D7585C583@namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Please send your mobius.xml file to jeff@circularlabs.com

From: Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com>
Reply-To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com= " <Loopers-D= elight@loopers-delight.com>
Date: Friday, July 6, 2012 4:53 PM<= br> To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"= <Loopers-Delight= @loopers-delight.com>
Subject: Re: Mobius behavior
Resent-From: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<= /a>" <Looper= s-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Resent-Date: Friday, July 6, 2012 4= :53 PM

That's good to know, I was afraid I was getting near a RTFM moment.

I'm switching tracks via midi notes from fcb1010.  I am do not do= ing anything complicated (that I know of).  As far as I know everythin= g is coming and going on a single port (especially if that was the default)= .

Kevin


On Friday, July 6, 2012, Jeff Larson wrote:
That's definitely not default behavior.  Tracks are normally independe= nt,
how are you switching tracks with MIDI?  Are you doing any complex tra= ck
routing
in the host or is everything coming in and going out through one Mobius
port?

Jeff


On 7/5/12 11:02 PM, "Kevin Cheli-Colando" <billowhead@gmai= l.com> wrote:

>Thank you all.  One last thing, just to clarify my terminology. &n= bsp;There
>are 4 tracks and 8 loops present in the default set up, yes?  I as= k
>because when I switch from track 1 to 2 the audio of track 1 goes
>silent and I can only hear track 2.  When I go back to track 1, th= e
>audio comes back but it then erases itself after one pass (and track 2<= br> >is muted).  Is this also a default setting that can be changed or<= br> >something else?
>
>Almost there I think.
>
>Kevin




--
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.<= br>
- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

Sound and Vision:  http://www.min= ds-eye.org
Video http://www.vimeo.c= om/user877640/videos
--_000_CC1CC9816002Cjefflarsonsailpointcom_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 02:54:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 730BC183460; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 02:54:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FF7A4F1.6070400@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2012 22:54:41 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #796 for July 5, 2012. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 02:54:46 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels?playlist_date=07-05-2012 Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #796 July 5, 2012. WDIY Playlist: http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels?playlist_date=07-05-2012 RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on Radio Massacre International. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Lost in Transit 1 - The Gatherings 2004" on Northern Echo. PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Bruno Sanfilippo Urban Flow Urbs (Hypnos) Steve Roach and Whisper Low Volume Music (Projeekt) Dirk Serries mystified with Pacific Music for Transit (Roil Noise) Robin Storey Loren Nerell Slow Dream Slow Dream (Projekt) Radio Massacre "an ending is just Lost in Transit 2 - the International a beginning" gatherings 2004 (Northern Echo) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Radio Massacre II Lost in Transit 2 - the International gatherings 2004 (Northern Echo) Radio Massacre III Lost in Transit 2 - the International gatherings 2004 (Northern Echo) Radio Massacre IV * Lost in Transit 2 - the International gatherings 2004 (Northern Echo) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Radio Massacre International. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Lost in Transit 2 - National Space Centre 2005" on Northern Echo. Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: temporarily using http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 06:49:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86A9A18345A; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 06:49:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: References: <1341588214.73010.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: It's a L'il Looper! Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 01:49:37 -0500 Message-ID: <012b01cd5c0c$ad5c1b30$08145190$@michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_012C_01CD5BE2.C489E3C0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQJSQh8Kk2SRu448QktkTPDcr7KhnwIS5E25AuGSkqAB2Uu2KwJth31vAi0J2z6VuFISoA== x-vipre-scanned: 1060D85A002F9B1060D9A7 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: <9pUUKB.A.1jH.Ew99PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 06:49:40 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_012C_01CD5BE2.C489E3C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So am I reading this correct? Does this do a sort of multiply then? Thanks, Mike ------=_NextPart_000_012C_01CD5BE2.C489E3C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

So am I reading this correct? Does this do a sort of multiply = then?=C2=A0

 

Thanks,

 

 

Mike

------=_NextPart_000_012C_01CD5BE2.C489E3C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 08:15:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E81E183460; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 08:15:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FF7F024.9070108@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2012 04:15:32 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Thought Radio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1cjKiB.A.pU.pA_9PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 08:15:37 +0000 (UTC) THOUGHT RADIO: http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio ======================================================================= My next stint on Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show, will be Saturday, July 7 at 6 am EDT/GMT-4. In Phase One, I will continue the special on Sequences Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. I host the show every other week. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 08:31:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E82818345C; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 08:31:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 793397193/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.20.187/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.20.187 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAD3z909YbRS7/2dsb2JhbAANN4VmtRgBAQEEIxVAEQsYAgIFFgsCAgkDAgECAUUZAwGvWJJagSCNEIIKgRIDmnmNIg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,543,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="793397193" Message-ID: <4FF7F3FE.7040009@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2012 09:31:58 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: It's a L'il Looper! References: <1341588214.73010.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <012b01cd5c0c$ad5c1b30$08145190$@michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: <012b01cd5c0c$ad5c1b30$08145190$@michaelplishka.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 08:31:50 +0000 (UTC) Hi Mike, yep, you're reading correct. Re: Vox Li'l Looper It's *very likely* that loop 2 can be a multiple in length of loop 1. (or vice versa). It's *highly unlikely* that you can change the length of an existing loop. The L'il Looper is clearly based on the VDL-1 which I know well, and by looking at the pics of the pedal I reckon I can deduce fairly accurately how it will behave. Once the manual gets on line we'll hopefully have definite answers. andy mike@michaelplishka.com wrote: > So am I reading this correct? Does this do a sort of multiply then? > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Mike > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 16:06:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2C5A18345D; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 16:06:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FF85E67.4010201@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2012 12:05:59 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Thought Radio Playlist for July 7, 2012. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 16:06:03 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio/playlists/2012/120707.html The Saturday edition of The AM/FM Showhas alternating hosts. When I am at the helm, the show is called Thought Radio and you can expect to hear electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am EDT/GMT-4 on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am.http://soundscapes.us/afterglow Show #228 July 7, 2012. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Twyndyllyngs Granular Space Between Space and Time (electro-music media) Twyndyllyngs Convoluted Time Between Space and Time (electro-music media) VA [Richard "Breaking Silence" T'AI (Auditorium Edizioni) Barbieri] and "Light Years" Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Anthony Phillips Credo In Cantus Seventh Heaven (none) and Andrew Skeet Joey Curtin Us and Them Going To California (Mulberry Tree) Monks of the Desert Salve Regina Blessings, Peace and Harmony (Sony) Joey Curtin Going To California Going To California (Mulberry Tree) Luna Blanca El Dorado El Dorado (lunablanca) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== IZZ The Crush of Night Crush of Night (Doone) Pinnacle Somewhere Between A Blueprint for Chaos (Fox's Den) 3rdegree Exit Strategy The Long Division (none) It Bites Midnight Once Around the World (Virgin) Alan Morse Cold Fusion * Four O'clock and Hysteria (InsideOut) * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDRs that come with each issue of Sequences electronic music magazine. Bill Fox ======================================================================== Host of Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EDT/GMT-4. Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music. Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Website - http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 16:42:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB00618345C; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 16:42:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :x-priority:x-msmail-priority:importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=DjswV3QAJCPrUXJDgfbkbQEev24bVkTfJt4SLgv87B8=; b=N1JPwKkCPedfg7v0yZYHBAcc5TpCkKe4QPZHFpVVjBX/kNPb38Y71P1VuZJpgty+c9 Dh+bFYFzpRxKJ3wVN1veGRefrOP0sgFXCEypqTbwZblrPEbjYdZD3KYrpDLAeTqfu1Ue nlLshoFgEMoNrm2PppUDCYMcWxj6J05OCkOMmlxAGE4ZhZLteg2NC5z7wz3+ZI3mXM8Q sIjw1tOzuRPZQSRxdmBgdieuIyN4RasRKvC4eOnN5pry6eQpIFyHuJW89AeqEKI1h0sM synTFtCwcDDgVvHz2OwYvpnx4XNM47g3NxUdi7NO9ZDbmWJlNauHD5CkN/KED4siBkAK /MSQ== Message-ID: <80C4192A5BF847FF8F69C245B7FCD334@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Basic VST Audio Recorder for MAC Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 10:42:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0F76_01CD5C2D.2BD36390" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 16:42:18 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0F76_01CD5C2D.2BD36390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Before I switched to Mac, I was using this Voxengo VST recorder in Live = and it worked well. But there is no version for MAC. http://www.voxengo.com/product/recorder/ Anyone know of a free or cost based audio recorder plug for mac? ------=_NextPart_000_0F76_01CD5C2D.2BD36390 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Before I switched to Mac, I was using this Voxengo VST recorder in = Live and=20 it worked well. But there is no version for MAC.
 
Anyone know of a free or cost based audio recorder plug for = mac?
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0F76_01CD5C2D.2BD36390-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 17:28:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18DEF18345C; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 17:28:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: References: <1341588214.73010.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <012b01cd5c0c$ad5c1b30$08145190$@michaelplishka.com> <4FF7F3FE.7040009@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4FF7F3FE.7040009@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: RE: It's a L'il Looper! Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 12:28:51 -0500 Message-ID: <012001cd5c65$fa0709f0$ee151dd0$@michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQJSQh8Kk2SRu448QktkTPDcr7KhnwIS5E25AuGSkqAB2Uu2KwJth31vAi0J2z4CKuFqMgJZemjqlZThc5A= Content-Language: en-us x-vipre-scanned: 12A82F2C002F9D12A83079 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 17:28:53 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Andy! For the price I think this might be a worthy investment. Mike -----Original Message----- From: andy butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk]=20 Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 3:32 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: It's a L'il Looper! Hi Mike, yep, you're reading correct. Re: Vox Li'l Looper It's *very likely* that loop 2 can be a multiple in length of loop 1. (or vice versa). It's *highly unlikely* that you can change the length of an existing = loop. The L'il Looper is clearly based on the VDL-1 which I know well, and by = looking at the pics of the pedal I reckon I can deduce fairly accurately = how it will behave. Once the manual gets on line we'll hopefully have definite answers. andy mike@michaelplishka.com wrote: > So am I reading this correct? Does this do a sort of multiply then?=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Mike >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 17:54:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F95D18345B; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 17:54:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <012001cd5c65$fa0709f0$ee151dd0$@michaelplishka.com> References: <1341588214.73010.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <012b01cd5c0c$ad5c1b30$08145190$@michaelplishka.com> <4FF7F3FE.7040009@tiscali.co.uk> <012001cd5c65$fa0709f0$ee151dd0$@michaelplishka.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Revfever Subject: Re: It's a L'il Looper! Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 10:54:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 17:54:25 +0000 (UTC) Any ETA on when these will become available? I haven't been able to find any release info from Vox's site. Or, maybe I just missed something? I sure do want to get one! TIA! Cheers- Rev.Fever Portlandia http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult On Jul 7, 2012, at 10:28 AM, wrote: > Thanks Andy! > > For the price I think this might be a worthy investment. > > > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: andy butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] > Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 3:32 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: It's a L'il Looper! > > Hi Mike, > yep, you're reading correct. > > Re: Vox Li'l Looper > > It's *very likely* that loop 2 can be a multiple in length of loop 1. > (or vice versa). > > It's *highly unlikely* that you can change the length of an > existing loop. > > The L'il Looper is clearly based on the VDL-1 which I know well, > and by looking at the pics of the pedal I reckon I can deduce > fairly accurately how it will behave. > > Once the manual gets on line we'll hopefully have definite answers. > > andy > > > mike@michaelplishka.com wrote: >> So am I reading this correct? Does this do a sort of multiply then? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> >> >> Mike >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 18:10:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C25D618345B; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 18:10:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=TI1WBuZJVJiGS0IbitmuaMdylvnZ2UZCTibKynD6EhI=; b=LtweJxwJIIqG38jTRa5rG5yPaDaEqKRgSa17mjcw2Qe/z92uhExTppx0R4JB+cmYie st8pM1M9NC2DlC7fyPyHLQQun/d+K9y9GISYmX0R7a1ffq3VEG8S8ryZBYt0EiUYielz YJoF9UEG9Opbyv1KvUS1WlRVxyT+bUSs1+RKcxvayEfkzfedmjhT0jyA6lkZQj6+OpVC QQIdDUcxlV2JIKpVwv2Wg357A/7H9ahVqJsoLEuOjbCadNezd5ppBThcj4COKdnvyApl faInx1IdpcUj/cGDxO4ZlS/dkBxqD0bP8WD74eo68Qzk2FwoyP5QPNzXWx7aDylG5xuR 66Fw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1341588214.73010.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <012b01cd5c0c$ad5c1b30$08145190$@michaelplishka.com> <4FF7F3FE.7040009@tiscali.co.uk> <012001cd5c65$fa0709f0$ee151dd0$@michaelplishka.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 14:10:24 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: It's a L'il Looper! From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f22bfb177632904c4414ba9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 18:10:26 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f22bfb177632904c4414ba9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >From MF it's 07/13/2012. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/vox-lil-looper-guitar-multi-effects-pedal Seems more like just another beginners toy to me though. Of course no reverse, no feedback, no...well :) Not that it couldn't be useful and I am always happy to see looping being promoted with new products. Jeff On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Revfever wrote: > Any ETA on when these will become available? > I haven't been able to find any release info from Vox's site. > Or, maybe I just missed something? I sure do want to get one! > > TIA! > > Cheers- > Rev.Fever > Portlandia > http://www.spiritone.com/~**rvfever > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/**elemental1 > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/**elemental2 > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult > > > > On Jul 7, 2012, at 10:28 AM, wrote: > > Thanks Andy! >> >> For the price I think this might be a worthy investment. >> >> >> >> Mike >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: andy butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk**] >> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 3:32 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-**delight.com >> Subject: Re: It's a L'il Looper! >> >> Hi Mike, >> yep, you're reading correct. >> >> Re: Vox Li'l Looper >> >> It's *very likely* that loop 2 can be a multiple in length of loop 1. >> (or vice versa). >> >> It's *highly unlikely* that you can change the length of an existing loop. >> >> The L'il Looper is clearly based on the VDL-1 which I know well, and by >> looking at the pics of the pedal I reckon I can deduce fairly accurately >> how it will behave. >> >> Once the manual gets on line we'll hopefully have definite answers. >> >> andy >> >> >> mike@michaelplishka.com wrote: >> >>> So am I reading this correct? Does this do a sort of multiply then? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >> > --e89a8f22bfb177632904c4414ba9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From MF it's 07/13/2012. http://www.musici= ansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/vox-lil-looper-guitar-multi-effects-pedal<= /a>

Seems more like just another beginners toy to me though. Of course no r= everse, no feedback, no...well :) Not that it couldn't be useful and I = am always happy to see looping being promoted with new products.

Jeff

On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Revf= ever <revfever@ubergadget.com> wrote:
Any ETA on when these will become available?
I haven't been able to find any release info from Vox's site.
Or, maybe I just missed something? I sure do want to get one!

TIA!

Cheers-
Rev.Fever
Portlandia
http://ww= w.spiritone.com/~rvfever
http://ww= w.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1
http://ww= w.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2
http://www.cdb= aby.com/cd/skult



On Jul 7, 2012, at 10:28 AM, <mike@michaelplishka.com> wrote:

Thanks Andy!

For the price I think this might be a worthy investment.



Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: andy butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 3:32 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: It's a L'il Looper!

Hi Mike,
yep, you're reading correct.

Re: Vox Li'l Looper

It's *very likely* that loop 2 can be a multiple in length of loop 1. (or vice versa).

It's *highly unlikely* that you can change the length of an existing lo= op.

The L'il Looper is clearly based on the VDL-1 which I know well, and by= looking at the pics of the pedal I reckon I can deduce fairly accurately h= ow it will behave.

Once the manual gets on line we'll hopefully have definite answers.

andy


mike@michaelpl= ishka.com wrote:
So am I reading this correct? Does this do a sort of multiply then?



Thanks,





Mike




--e89a8f22bfb177632904c4414ba9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 18:32:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F0CF183460; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 18:32:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 789711382/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.27.50/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.27.50 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsMDABCA+E9YbRsy/2dsb2JhbAANOLYtAgICAoROAQEBBDhRCxgJJQ8CRhwBwXSLQIJwgxwDmnmNIg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,544,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="789711382" Message-ID: <4FF880D7.80908@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2012 19:32:55 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: It's a L'il Looper! References: <1341588214.73010.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <012b01cd5c0c$ad5c1b30$08145190$@michaelplishka.com> <4FF7F3FE.7040009@tiscali.co.uk> <012001cd5c65$fa0709f0$ee151dd0$@michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 18:32:46 +0000 (UTC) Some UK stores say "next day"! (the ones who online sell stuff they don't have) Some UK stores say "available for ore-order". Vox say Summer 2012 andy Revfever wrote: > Any ETA on when these will become available? > I haven't been able to find any release info from Vox's site. > Or, maybe I just missed something? I sure do want to get one! > > TIA! > > Cheers- > Rev.Fever From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 20:53:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B981183460; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 20:42:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=4V4z8ArFaCnRzUJbnrgUjs99fBkxd5/L9EiXJ4KVB1M=; b=S7E0f2GFazuhWQc3FwXla7z/ZLu8+fjpLUJ2Pd0tZ+XZaT+TWyiDY1/JJJIHeqe/Og YkTyPRl4TcUdbqIhjiV7GZ+BGvs1J/BdQ83oV5HbccSbDGV9UldnkgqRGAc6sNcoQaOY aXmi7244r/UglzmnwzFqoJCX2ZHZs7RcY9r3FyXJQExYK1j3TeQCpFdB1nxeJ+DgHE5m QUTDLjoAICEcHvhTL+j3ckLFyjb7+IPTaRTPtyivnU57DPApRp3doLzMfFZTYvI6qnh2 qlGtdaQCmLsjbjwIz7HqbZvgX0jBQP3RAZWPqENorEcnr765IrwKVrlvSKLlltNlhnCL yYzg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <80C4192A5BF847FF8F69C245B7FCD334@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <80C4192A5BF847FF8F69C245B7FCD334@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 22:42:40 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Basic VST Audio Recorder for MAC From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 20:42:41 +0000 (UTC) Why use an "audio recording plugin" inside a host application designed to record audio? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > Before I switched to Mac, I was using this Voxengo VST recorder in Live and > it worked well. But there is no version for MAC. > http://www.voxengo.com/product/recorder/ > > Anyone know of a free or cost based audio recorder plug for mac? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 22:42:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8885C18345E; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 22:25:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=HT/t9CGaXJsSXdHi84aCkShaLDgnrkZRp2UHYD9e+ZQ=; b=fu361Fuq4M7NrOnwfJs9TBPcAwQueQwng8Bfxa2TS0lSSYhZ7Oj2YLXW03fpBnMl7B HtH7wb92VaJ22viGNXWUOb6EhBj7PaU5jrkWnEQzBSuZLGRN6LiJ0QL0iiEjwayyOt9K DC5MKDRYXIJ+tOvjVRXC3q4emmjbKQk/8ZN45wS4DuFPreTCnpp9/k7h45PKFaVjyl0N BIg30Zu1KW7wvdRdPs9lXleUteJI6bWU5skTgAaRj7Za8D/T6yS4OFzve/3YsAXIurW2 t7QI6tf021emJnsdDjAc/m1kBGVNbImXDPhDr8SkuBIi02Z7iIC9X6q6XRYtcCIt+OX+ jQXQ== Message-ID: <25AF98BE5DD049EAB380A385EDFAD209@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <80C4192A5BF847FF8F69C245B7FCD334@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Basic VST Audio Recorder for MAC Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 16:02:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 22:25:15 +0000 (UTC) The recording function of Live is just not that intuitive to me. I mean I suppose I could just create an audio track and pipe the signal from Main to it and record just that track. But I don't like the interface. I want to be able to name my file before I record and have some recording options in an actual recording plugin. So I guess when you record, then stop, then record gain, it just creates a new file with a new file name (live set name with some ascending numbers)? Maybe I should give it another try. -----Original Message----- Why use an "audio recording plugin" inside a host application designed to record audio? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > Before I switched to Mac, I was using this Voxengo VST recorder in Live > and > it worked well. But there is no version for MAC. > http://www.voxengo.com/product/recorder/ > > Anyone know of a free or cost based audio recorder plug for mac? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 07:06:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B11A2183473; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 04:48:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=2t7CRXbg3TPzsj0hDHgpJvbt4cXQkcgr7TAKM7IQBPQ=; b=nwu4O+twZwFhg9jBIZyNzucOWJnR4CVzkf6ZGKpthbWJKPzWZy3KjcQagwifsQivT6 Byepv2L56yOAnaXFDvmQEmjeif/ObavD+nQhYf7sVtZbYImIzQIYNA8B5IowaOal9OZ5 9E6O4vkEOQ7tvBePV0t7NklQNxvHyQPSKZ0pqnwStVaUkb6sPKsj3Ry5VMY/GrAkonQu oB9p3/fUSZdLIMlFct9tJixghycxbkr+8qVNgWirPMvL9fDKTiUAQmZCuDoGARZcOEEq Dh0kEPnLNu/9AkzZJFJG1ls45Nlusp/Stcpyr5DqAfRU+FZk5/Vq+XD5vUvwWcz8JXIR 6v4w== Subject: Re: Basic VST Audio Recorder for MAC References: <80C4192A5BF847FF8F69C245B7FCD334@americas.hpqcorp.net> <25AF98BE5DD049EAB380A385EDFAD209@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: Todd Reynolds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: <25AF98BE5DD049EAB380A385EDFAD209@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-Id: <47471A2C-65C0-4C44-AF71-A82773331D49@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 23:45:03 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 04:48:01 +0000 (UTC) Just use resampling as the input, then rename your file. Totally easy. Or us= e audio hijack or piezo.=20 Sent from my iPhone On Jul 7, 2012, at 6:02 PM, "Kris Hartung" wrote= : > The recording function of Live is just not that intuitive to me. I mean I= suppose I could just create an audio track and pipe the signal from Main to= it and record just that track. But I don't like the interface. I want to b= e able to name my file before I record and have some recording options in an= actual recording plugin. So I guess when you record, then stop, then recor= d gain, it just creates a new file with a new file name (live set name with s= ome ascending numbers)? Maybe I should give it another try. >=20 > -----Original Message-----=20 > Why use an "audio recording plugin" inside a host application designed > to record audio? >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 > On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Kris Hartung w= rote: >> Before I switched to Mac, I was using this Voxengo VST recorder in Live a= nd >> it worked well. But there is no version for MAC. >> http://www.voxengo.com/product/recorder/ >>=20 >> Anyone know of a free or cost based audio recorder plug for mac? >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 11:08:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3360183460; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 11:08:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=GOZmrdwZ8bqVUY19zlMvP/Jd7UPzAHV7mEDMT+a894w=; b=eEotmivqnR9khkm4dtVNdY+v7m8yi04vtpcXXfDogLZKecNaYa7H7YlzXS3wqRn84b De63u2xkIybQJcZ6E/HskRWOscU22qcjbqd1VUNvj8dBVJqBrhRmNQzJKkRfheNMN9tL YFuvJVVTJBxrBEQ6vVBXqqcy13mCs3OTNCLKowsd3H0ri0zPdx5Re2jmrxBSTdN83WLZ 9S4jjL37qRIAclnCh8Nf1WTC/kXbgfoqkxwHOLVBqGodkuX6HvYPxcC74FfWpgKRaQmb SsmQRFmK2ei8UVxHk+ZGn9b/rwCCtHdzYnGa3y2lfx7ZzFVcnRQHTOsJaB7xZ1i8TjCD 7vzQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 12:08:39 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: using mac for softsynths only - audio interface needed? From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 11:08:41 +0000 (UTC) anybody doing this? using a mac for audio out only? is an audio interface really needed if you're just using it for softsynths, or can you get away with using the internal audio drivers and the headphone output? seems to me like it should be fine, but just wondering if anybody had any thoughts on this... thanks sim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 12:36:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 543D118345E; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 12:36:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #113868007 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19n2v54MoVn4jpU2+jz0Anzs8+yTuI+U7YEfLtVgP GgTB5CwLI2CVZX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Subject: Re: using mac for softsynths only - audio interface needed? From: Christoph Lehmann In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 14:36:53 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <376490D7-DC21-474B-A233-AEFD98F1A9B3@gmx.de> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 12:36:57 +0000 (UTC) sure. as long as you don't need inputs for audio, this should work fine = for you. Chris= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 12:37:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24F6518345C; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 12:37:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=gAgTwUL0qZctzTMoVrhSNC4i8TQyVO1MIGm0N8hm3Q/XG/oVh8DOihGsaWzzfvxq; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 08:37:17 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: using mac for softsynths only - audio interface needed? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec794ddc7ecfff33ffc79edb673d7bef23d0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: <_84Cu.A.nVE.D8X-PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 12:37:23 +0000 (UTC) Yes, that's fine. The only problem with the built-in audio is that there can be a bit of system noise...HOWEVER.. that noise is lower than the scanning noise emanating from the audio output of an actual Prophet 5 or Oberheim OB-8, and certainly quieter than the noise level of a DX-7, or Tr-808, etc... At 12:08 +0100 8/7/12, Simeon Harris wrote: >anybody doing this? using a mac for audio out only? is an audio >interface really needed if you're just using it for softsynths, or can >you get away with using the internal audio drivers and the headphone >output? seems to me like it should be fine, but just wondering if >anybody had any thoughts on this... > >thanks > >sim -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 12:54:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5399D183462; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 12:54:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=RFc+QtG5dDwmCT1ABBMugTCPQNuch0kpW/z7Qu8SLwE=; b=pxoyjgg+kafVa5jMgehZnBtQBGS0RMJQ3Vq/NyiF0krMFoyPNpGoaYByTZ7G16YGFG WgemHssTHYXJY73FcuAdUUxIEe40vySbPaf5VTuXypX9z/6XIFdn3PvPFJQNDDYAgUh+ nqnwUMICIbmB9XOrKFIqQkdFF3Jbn1RvGuRKf8WBTTeXR8VsNv0DA8WY7+amedW6wkkk d945lFfnse7b+Br5x1DlLynvQPg83bZXWCg5eoEJ8e1NbAHTtN8kFb+/Ka2YXYsqnkDK rVQy4Q8tGIWt7RAcKbUkkSBFFcjOT938aojuu/LiGT58XxaiN9cCc0ofObFFFyjK9DwW DlgQ== Subject: Re: using mac for softsynths only - audio interface needed? References: From: Simeon Harris Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (8C148) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 13:55:50 +0100 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPod Mail 8C148) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 12:54:47 +0000 (UTC) Cool. Thanks guys. The only problem I forsee is running the headphone out in= to a line level environment, but I think it will be fine.=20 Sent from my iPod On 8 Jul 2012, at 13:37, Charles Zwicky wrote: > Yes, that's fine. The only problem with the built-in audio is that there c= an be a bit of system noise...HOWEVER.. that noise is lower than the scannin= g noise emanating from the audio output of an actual Prophet 5 or Oberheim O= B-8, and certainly quieter than the noise level of a DX-7, or Tr-808, etc...= >=20 >=20 > At 12:08 +0100 8/7/12, Simeon Harris wrote: >> anybody doing this? using a mac for audio out only? is an audio >> interface really needed if you're just using it for softsynths, or can >> you get away with using the internal audio drivers and the headphone >> output? seems to me like it should be fine, but just wondering if >> anybody had any thoughts on this... >>=20 >> thanks >>=20 >> sim >=20 >=20 > --=20 >=20 > ... > http://www.zmix.net >=20 > http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky >=20 > http://albumcredits.com/zmix >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 16:13:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CACB118345D; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 16:13:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FF9B1B8.2070306@theambientping.com> Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2012 12:13:44 -0400 From: PiNG Reply-To: ping@theambientping.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091204 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , Dark Seeds , Drone Deep Chill , Loopers Delight , The Ambient Way Subject: 07.10.12 > The PiNG presents dreamSTATE + Geek Weekend + General Chaos Visuals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020203.4FF9B1BD.00A5,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 Resent-Message-ID: <6ngcw.A.-GG.-Gb-PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 16:13:51 +0000 (UTC) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 07.10.12 . THE AMBiENT PiNG presents THE RETURN OF THE dreamSTATE DRONE CYCLE 2012 . Part Seven . (F#) featuring dreamSTATE with STEVEN SAUVÉ and ROB HOARE plus a set by GEEK WEEKEND + fog, light painting and projections by GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS @ Supermarket . 268 Augusta Ave . Kensington Market just south of College . Map, info and directions at: http://www.supermarkettoronto.com/site/section/contact Tues. July 10th . Doors open at 8:00 . 1st set at 9:00 . $6 Voodoo TV will be broadcasting the PiNG LiVE this Tuesday night! Supermarket audio/video technician Johnny Trelawny has set up a live internet broadcast system VooDoo TV which will be streaming this Tuesday's AMBiENT PiNG event beginning at 9:00pm EST. Enjoy the ambient flow of audio and pixels. http://www.livestream.com/voodootv1 9:00 . dreamSTATE with GEEK WEEKEND . For the challenging key of F#, dreamSTATE has brought in the geeks, Steven Sauvé (keys & laptop) and Rob Hoare (alto flute, wind controller & laptop) to help assemble and disassemble the structural design of the seventh drone house. Using synthetic materials, keys and wind power, this unique crew of dream geeks will fuse together a drone with an F#nky flavour like no other experienced in the cycle. http://www.dreamstate.to 10:15 . GEEK WEEKEND . The geeks have extended the weekend until Tuesday so they can return for their annual PING summer sizzler with a new sonic scenic soundtrack. Robert Hoare (Berlin) and Steven Sauvé (Hamilton) look forward to bringing you all manner of sultry sounds, drenched in absurdity, and dripping with irony. No computers have been harmed in the making of this music. ADVISORY: Random processes are used throughout the performance. http://www.geekweekend.ca Rob Hoare: http://robhoare.de . GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS . Stephen Lindsey and Eric Siegerman of General Chaos Visuals, dreamSTATE's visual partners in the drone cycle, will bring light, shadow and fog to paint the space with their colourful evolving hand crafted patterns. http://www.generalchaosvisuals.ca . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . BETWEEN SETS . James Bailey, one of the hosts of the not forgotten Electric Storm / A Missing Sense radio show, which was last heard on CKLN, will tantalize our ears with "Nori Bean." This test recording is based on Terry Riley's Time Lag Accumulator and was made on two open reel tape recorders for the Killer Loops' show for the Planet Of The Loops at the November 4th 2003 PiNG, which featured James with Pessi Parviainen, Andrew Yue and Michelangelo Iaffaldano. You can see James cutting and splicing the tape live while working the tape machines if you check out this photo collage of the show from the PiNG archives: http://www.theambientping.com/events2003f.html#nov_4_2003 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . COMiNG SOON: . Tuesday August 14th 2012 . THE PiNG's 13TH ANNiVERSARY and The RETURN of the dreamSTATE DRONE CYCLE . Part Eight . (F) featuring dreamSTATE with DEANE HUGHES (Akumu/Kalte) & RIK MACLEAN (mara's torment/Kalte) plus a set by KALTE + projections by GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS @ Supermarket . 268 Augusta Ave . Kensington Market just south of College . Map, info and directions at: http://www.supermarkettoronto.com/site/section/contact PiNG doors open at 8 . 1st set at 9:00 . $6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . A new free release from the ping things net label! -> Akumu "Transmissions" <- Listen to a streaming version of "Transmissions" by Akumu here: http://www.pingthings.com ping things is thrilled to release the latest from Deane Hughes' project Akumu. "Transmissions" is a series of short, abstract pieces that delve into Akumu's interest in messages hidden within messages, of sounds between sounds, of communications that are slightly beyond our perception... beyond our reach. In our daily lives, we are exposed to a constant stream of noise, static, interference - all of which we filter out and ignore. But what if there is more there than we are aware of? Hidden inside the cracks of cacophony? Built upon recordings of radio static, electrical interference and guitar-based ephemera, "Transmissions" creates a world of tones, clicks, squelches and pulses - a space that lies between calm drones and arrhythmical noise. Within that space, much like the world around us, perhaps there is something more? A place where lost transmissions reside. "Transmissions" by Akumu is available for free download as a 62 Mb Zip file containing the full release in high quality 320kbps mp3 format along with artwork suitable for printing. The music on this release is copyright Deane Hughes 2012, and may not be used or reproduced without the artist's express permission. If you enjoy the work of Akumu, please visit the Akumu website at http://www.musicbyakumu.com "Transmissions" by Akumu direct download link: http://archive.org/download/PTNR032/PTNR032.zip Don't forget to check out all of the great artists available at the ping things store. For more free online releases from the ping things net label go to: http://pingthings.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a Toronto based creative community of audio artists, performers, musicians and visual artists. The PiNG presents live multimedia performances featuring ambient, electronic, soundscape, space, drone, psychedelic, chillout, downtempo, darkwave and experimental artists from around the world. http://www.theambientping.com The PiNG also has a Twitter account to send you advance updates and reminders of the when & where of future PiNG events. Just search for ambientping to find us. http://twitter.com We're also on facebook too, again just search THE AMBiENT PiNG. http://www.facebook.com ViSiT the ping things store for ambient, electronic and chill things: http://www.pingthings.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any interested friends or appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 18:49:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD6E6183461; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 18:49:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=t+z74Ie6zEcNDKcZavWiC4D2H6kuJe6o7NvZzhXrXfs=; b=gPmNdxq/5/w5eI7Zx3ABXUtSsWFvbtZ9VNrGYqBTeYz23zWTihvdzsAsQwjzGLOJfq 71MMFQN2V4/YCuNZQCtx234WHZ4yzTW4bDaU1qdJ9DNuD+IYCV2pVL8N8nXHBu0GKTTM zczS4tLk/j+2+I4pBHjwuO7KMxL/JcYV3IE9e6aftY1XGEOLuqG62+sLbA32onbCevfq lPoyEavuZ+C28ynHRlTi4G73QJLxT8d3P+C/UhYOhUHafDAn1LyNDNhAiGENgHuK4tdI IqBt7FXNpxMtfcuguBahbFyBMoh78F0DCfP+8sYUMPFr78R8Lk1YHtpOvOJnBAHZHQJM DuGA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <25AF98BE5DD049EAB380A385EDFAD209@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <80C4192A5BF847FF8F69C245B7FCD334@americas.hpqcorp.net> <25AF98BE5DD049EAB380A385EDFAD209@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 11:49:02 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Basic VST Audio Recorder for MAC From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d7e3506dbfd804c455f367 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 18:49:03 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d7e3506dbfd804c455f367 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well I'm not really sure if its avail for MAC but i use TapeIt vst. Its a very simple plugin that allows you to name your file first and set the destination save folder before you record. I like how simple it is all you gotta do is hit record and its very light on cpu. See if it is avilable for mac. Its what I use for my live loopig vids that i post on youtube. http://m.youtube.com/results?q=k3z On Jul 7, 2012 3:25 PM, "Kris Hartung" wrote: > The recording function of Live is just not that intuitive to me. I mean I > suppose I could just create an audio track and pipe the signal from Main to > it and record just that track. But I don't like the interface. I want to > be able to name my file before I record and have some recording options in > an actual recording plugin. So I guess when you record, then stop, then > record gain, it just creates a new file with a new file name (live set name > with some ascending numbers)? Maybe I should give it another try. > > -----Original Message----- > Why use an "audio recording plugin" inside a host application designed > to record audio? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/**perboysen > > > On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Kris Hartung > wrote: > >> Before I switched to Mac, I was using this Voxengo VST recorder in Live >> and >> it worked well. But there is no version for MAC. >> http://www.voxengo.com/**product/recorder/ >> >> Anyone know of a free or cost based audio recorder plug for mac? >> >> >> > --0016e6d7e3506dbfd804c455f367 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Well I'm not really sure if its avail for MAC but i use TapeIt vst. = Its a very simple plugin that allows you to name your file first and set th= e destination save folder before you record. I like how simple it is all yo= u gotta do is hit record and its very light on cpu. See if it is avilable f= or mac. Its what I use for my live loopig vids that i post on youtube.

http://m.youtube.com/re= sults?q=3Dk3z

On Jul 7, 2012 3:25 PM, "Kris Hartung"= <krispen.hartung@gmail.com= > wrote:
The recording function of Live is just not that intuitive to me. =A0I mean = I suppose I could just create an audio track and pipe the signal from Main = to it and record just that track. =A0But I don't like the interface. = =A0I want to be able to name my file before I record and have some recordin= g options in an actual recording plugin. =A0So I guess when you record, the= n stop, then record gain, it just creates a new file with a new file name (= live set name with some ascending numbers)? =A0 Maybe I should give it anot= her try.

-----Original Message-----
Why use an "audio recording plugin" inside a host application des= igned
to record audio?

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen


On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Kris Hartung <krispen.hartung@gmail.com> wrot= e:
Before I switched to Mac, I was using this Voxengo VST recorder in Live and=
it worked well. But there is no version for MAC.
http= ://www.voxengo.com/product/recorder/

Anyone know of a free or cost based audio recorder plug for mac?



--0016e6d7e3506dbfd804c455f367-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 20:24:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD6BB183455; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 20:24:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 793726060/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.183.99/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.183.99 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBABjr+U9V0rdj/2dsb2JhbAANOLsFAQEBBDhRCxgJJQ8CRhwBwTiOMIMcA5p5jSI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,548,1336345200"; d="scan'208,223";a="793726060" Message-ID: <4FF9EC75.40007@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2012 21:24:21 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: using mac for softsynths only - audio interface needed? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 20:24:09 +0000 (UTC) >From what I've heard of mac audio you'd likely want to improve on it. (try it first though, my experience is out of date). 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Tyler=20Z --===============1254295930==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 11:29:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47D28183464; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 11:29:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=4CiFyDFeHmLMOeXwHLZ2c11P6gjtO0IeUwu9i9649t0=; b=gy4/NsVWgWb0bYPqcbMHgiWPFzhY4nFjB6pLpC5AR7TaTcUBxhQ108gJYxduFmoURa r42lG0+O9f9FYW+iFjG9d/Y/1NLSgIE86BtNzhsH2FndO56mOOvDnzp91y7SM57EPkNq NwgoM31CSxoB9RJDAbQQrybkG+Ypsa7b4mXRyio5xjQZqnOSlokd/CXQIy4ChHagnCjm 8n+edugtosNspxlW4pIXs3BqPAhFieDGXtODfWOpncAeMRPZGhviVZvlCPUQ/CBu5wH+ Vp3wEBxdHqI5sJNRY9NnvGHgx7+IJyzlIX6e2jOuLBlwKWKdm9hToXqPrm8dW7nS+wZ0 mhgw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <80C4192A5BF847FF8F69C245B7FCD334@americas.hpqcorp.net> <25AF98BE5DD049EAB380A385EDFAD209@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:29:00 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Basic VST Audio Recorder for MAC From: Per Boysen To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f839d3395857604c463eb0c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 11:29:01 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f839d3395857604c463eb0c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Any clip you record in Live takes on the nam of the mixer track. So if you have named an audio track "guitar", pipe some audio strem there and record a clip in any of that track's slots the resulting file on the drive will get named "guitar 0001" (or similar") On Sunday, July 8, 2012, kay'lon rushing wrote: > Well I'm not really sure if its avail for MAC but i use TapeIt vst. Its a > very simple plugin that allows you to name your file first and set the > destination save folder before you record. I like how simple it is all you > gotta do is hit record and its very light on cpu. See if it is avilable for > mac. Its what I use for my liveloopig vids that i post on youtube. > > http://m.youtube.com/results?q=k3z > On Jul 7, 2012 3:25 PM, "Kris Hartung" > > wrote: > >> The recording function of Live is just not that intuitive to me. I mean >> I suppose I could just create an audio track and pipe the signal from Main >> to it and record just that track. But I don't like the interface. I want >> to be able to name my file before I record and have some recording options >> in an actual recording plugin. So I guess when you record, then stop, then >> record gain, it just creates a new file with a new file name (live set name >> with some ascending numbers)? Maybe I should give it another try. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> Why use an "audio recording plugin" inside a host application designed >> to record audio? >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/**perboysen >> >> >> On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Kris Hartung > >> wrote: >> >>> Before I switched to Mac, I was using this Voxengo VST recorder in Live >>> and >>> it worked well. But there is no version for MAC. >>> http://www.voxengo.com/**product/recorder/ >>> >>> Anyone know of a free or cost based audio recorder plug for mac? >>> >>> >>> >> -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen --e89a8f839d3395857604c463eb0c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Any clip you record in Live takes on the nam of the mixer track. So if you = have named an audio track "guitar", pipe some audio strem there a= nd record a clip in any of that track's slots the resulting file on the= drive will get named "guitar 0001" (or similar")

On Sunday, July 8, 2012, kay'lon rushing wrote:

Well I'm not really sure if its avail for MAC but i = use TapeIt vst. Its a very simple plugin that allows you to name your file = first and set the destination save folder before you record. I like how sim= ple it is all you gotta do is hit record and its very light on cpu. See if = it is avilable for mac. Its what I use for my liveloopig vids that i post o= n youtube.

http:= //m.youtube.com/results?q=3Dk3z

On Jul 7, 2012 3:25 PM, "Kris Hartung"= <krispen.hartung@gmail.com> wrote:
The recording function of Live is just not that intuitive to me. =C2=A0I me= an I suppose I could just create an audio track and pipe the signal from Ma= in to it and record just that track. =C2=A0But I don't like the interfa= ce. =C2=A0I want to be able to name my file before I record and have some r= ecording options in an actual recording plugin. =C2=A0So I guess when you r= ecord, then stop, then record gain, it just creates a new file with a new f= ile name (live set name with some ascending numbers)? =C2=A0 Maybe I should= give it another try.

-----Original Message-----
Why use an "audio recording plugin" inside a host application des= igned
to record audio?

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen


On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Kris Hartung <krispen.hartung@gmail.com> wrote:
Before I switched to Mac, I was using this Voxengo VST recorder in Live and=
it worked well. But there is no version for MAC.
http= ://www.voxengo.com/product/recorder/

Anyone know of a free or cost based audio recorder plug for mac?





--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.comhttp://www.= youtube.com/perboysen

--e89a8f839d3395857604c463eb0c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 11:50:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E0E4183464; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 11:50:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=XmGnAHvytRjP1uzObVVUd0iZhnlWtJjm2l5HPyr3B7M=; b=csMSmIb5niDl15GV/3MuzeRjCWtNB/Z5A9BpxLIAF7B0yZ/nUkq59qspWaNKfht208 RmzlLMtr1+vNfw0Ogob+lA5p+2fio9tBpEov9QO54Zo5KrMIYd5l6Qy1RjUaKnqc42sL BARBnDS0FUKkMiUyhfhlxqOVTpidkoVlkumU3pCTx9T/rhHBjuivhOL3uYMwBjVY7gUR ix5oYhIo8WynpCPtgOsU+yyKPxazVuBfotwjcP8/PzOyu09b8VDeNERdE4sgZd0oT2Ts g4vRDQwGQsfuxM1chqWdrJj3NeZQPgwUgI8AdIdyiuzejzr2nH2AMrB5JCbpBTbg8JYm WYaA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:50:41 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: apple cut the upgrade path for mainstage? From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 11:50:42 +0000 (UTC) mainstage on the app store is at v2.2.2 i'm a registered logic studio owner and my version of mainstage is still at 2.1 i received an update last year, but nothing since.... so why have i not been offered the opportunity to upgrade my mainstage? sim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 14:12:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A6C4183460; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:12:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:12:06 +0000 (UTC) From: Christophe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <1140348642.1051824.1341843126450.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Subject: OT: Tangerine Dream MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1051823_1673986160.1341843126424" X-Originating-IP: [170.63.96.108] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:12:06 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1051823_1673986160.1341843126424 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good Morning All, I was lucky enough to be in the first row at the House of Blues last Thursday for the first Tangerine Dream concert in Boston in 20 years. A great show! I'm writing though, because I thought you might find their setup interesting. They're touring as a six piece - guitar, precussionist, violin/cello/theremin player, and three keyboardists, one who doubles on woodwinds. The three keyboardists Edgar Froese, Thorsten Queschning, and Linda Spa each had a Nord synth (an older Nord Lead, a Lead 3 and a Wave, respectively) and Froese and Queschning each had a Korg Radias as well as a MIDI controller I coudln't quite see. But they also had 2 big plasma screens on which they were running softsynths (Arturia Moog Modular, Minimoog, Massive, and a few more. But what I found couldn't help but note after all the recent Mac talk is that they appeared to be running the lot off Dell laptops . Edgar is pretty much the granddaddy of live electronic performance, so it might be interesting to hear his reasoning on computer choices! Chris ------=_Part_1051823_1673986160.1341843126424 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= div style=3D'font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>Good Morn= ing All,

I was lucky enough to be in the first row at the House of B= lues last Thursday for the first Tangerine Dream concert in Boston in 20 ye= ars.  A great show!  I'm writing though, because I thought you mi= ght find their setup interesting.  They're touring as a six piece - gu= itar, precussionist, violin/cello/theremin player, and three keyboardists, = one who doubles on woodwinds.  The three keyboardists Edgar Froese, Th= orsten Queschning, and Linda Spa each had a Nord synth (an older Nord Lead,= a Lead 3 and a Wave, respectively) and Froese and Queschning each had a Ko= rg Radias as well as a MIDI controller I coudln't quite see.  But they= also had 2 big plasma screens on which they were running softsynths (Artur= ia Moog Modular, Minimoog, Massive, and a few more.  But what I found&= nbsp; couldn't help but note after all the recent Mac talk is that they app= eared to be running the lot off Dell laptops.

Edgar is pretty much t= he granddaddy of live electronic performance, so it might be interesting to= hear his reasoning on computer choices!

Chris
------=_Part_1051823_1673986160.1341843126424-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 16:28:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CEBF6183461; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 16:28:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Dppt1mEz2NYYS/zUbS+CLHXG+3J61zd2I4+OlnH8I7c=; b=FmhXMMMjeVvmIVVGjK4ADB2MMbH8Ta+2DGm/ZCIHLnlMI14lLh0fn9mBkdI49J+M1Y 2LRUQXSM9YYsAf3fMU+RR/sxpcWwLIFzWF0l4QMtmU58R0jqUBANbGDd//GUp3va4wSR JKJT61sV16vcGZ5dMh7bmsGAbOw/e3s+ypkAkQsjK/pA5M9yhm1B72mzXxvimkCQq/BX YIFZkJCrWRcZgisExHwH87kaOtOHnTBLM6Z9ish/ltzMVNiwLjdguftQ1A8sPGDyDyBM r8uNcnyNBTIYFIqBZUnyqW/8MWEwoIksojvLXS3Ero5TVx0XDaDLteqiMEL5/zwM84PM jtfA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1140348642.1051824.1341843126450.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1140348642.1051824.1341843126450.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:28:54 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream From: Jeffrey Collins To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4efe2ce81eeb4304c4681c3c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 16:28:55 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4efe2ce81eeb4304c4681c3c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Another group that says they are doing a tour and come to 5 places in America. Damn. I wish I could have gotten to see this but alas, I didn't even think they would be doing a tour. It really bothers me that they, along with just about any other group or soloist seem to pass right over the midwest region, and they should know there's a LOT of fans out here. As for him using Dell computers. I really don't think there is much of a difference between a mac and win machine these days except for user interface and all the damn updates you always have to do with windows products. I (being a mac user) have actually grown tired of all this apple bull, especially with apple trying to tell me what I need in a computer. I need a freaking dvd drive. And I also need a blu-ray drive, both of which they don't do in laptops anymore. All I can tell you is this...my next computer will be made in pieces I buy from computer stores and it will run windows. Cause I need something super powerful for video. And I'll just use this (computer i'm on now) for web stuff. Cheers Christophe. BTW, Any pics??? Jeffrey On Monday, July 9, 2012, Christophe wrote: > Good Morning All, > > I was lucky enough to be in the first row at the House of Blues last > Thursday for the first Tangerine Dream concert in Boston in 20 years. A > great show! I'm writing though, because I thought you might find their > setup interesting. They're touring as a six piece - guitar, precussionist, > violin/cello/theremin player, and three keyboardists, one who doubles on > woodwinds. The three keyboardists Edgar Froese, Thorsten Queschning, and > Linda Spa each had a Nord synth (an older Nord Lead, a Lead 3 and a Wave, > respectively) and Froese and Queschning each had a Korg Radias as well as a > MIDI controller I coudln't quite see. But they also had 2 big plasma > screens on which they were running softsynths (Arturia Moog Modular, > Minimoog, Massive, and a few more. But what I found couldn't help but > note after all the recent Mac talk is that they appeared to be running the > lot off Dell laptops. > > Edgar is pretty much the granddaddy of live electronic performance, so it > might be interesting to hear his reasoning on computer choices! > > Chris > --e0cb4efe2ce81eeb4304c4681c3c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Another group that says they are doing a tour and come to 5 places in Ameri= ca. Damn.

I wish I could have gotten to see this but ala= s, I didn't even think they would be doing a tour. It really bothers me= that they, along with just about any other group or soloist seem to pass r= ight over the midwest region, and they should know there's a LOT of fan= s out here.

As for him using Dell computers. I really don't thi= nk there is much of a difference between a mac and win machine these days e= xcept for user interface and all the damn updates you always have to do wit= h windows products. I (being a mac user) have actually grown tired of all t= his apple bull, especially with apple trying to tell me what I need in a co= mputer. I need a freaking dvd drive. And I also need a blu-ray drive, both = of which they don't do in laptops anymore. All I can tell you is this..= .my next computer will be made in pieces I buy from computer stores and it = will run windows. Cause I need something super powerful for video. And I= 9;ll just use this (computer i'm on now) for web stuff.

Cheers Christophe. BTW, Any pics???
Jeffrey
On Monday, July 9, 2012, Christophe wrote:
Good Morning All,
<= br>I was lucky enough to be in the first row at the House of Blues last Thu= rsday for the first Tangerine Dream concert in Boston in 20 years.=A0 A gre= at show!=A0 I'm writing though, because I thought you might find their = setup interesting.=A0 They're touring as a six piece - guitar, precussi= onist, violin/cello/theremin player, and three keyboardists, one who double= s on woodwinds.=A0 The three keyboardists Edgar Froese, Thorsten Queschning= , and Linda Spa each had a Nord synth (an older Nord Lead, a Lead 3 and a W= ave, respectively) and Froese and Queschning each had a Korg Radias as well= as a MIDI controller I coudln't quite see.=A0 But they also had 2 big = plasma screens on which they were running softsynths (Arturia Moog Modular,= Minimoog, Massive, and a few more.=A0 But what I found=A0 couldn't hel= p but note after all the recent Mac talk is that they appeared to be runnin= g the lot off Dell laptops.

Edgar is pretty much the granddaddy of live electronic performance, so = it might be interesting to hear his reasoning on computer choices!

C= hris
--e0cb4efe2ce81eeb4304c4681c3c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 16:57:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B6A718345C; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 16:57:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 349600.4479.bm@omp1009.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1341853052; bh=DhIHYtpu9pHwFEybkmUF+U4iE9m24Dmk2TS5+hDJQWc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Jh5o/PlQsr9Ik6fNHLghXf18LFltqBftbziJbMniya29tKO+J7Ph4RcYE+omazTG/nmuccmjMAzXceTToi4Hp5R0TkGjJWfkKoQ8UI2brZHb8estR52AIxea9UZK62n4BlBVhFKzsqL/ChoLqR3ZFpdhCUZMBSLX7OSdf+NVqtY= X-YMail-OSG: Yli2B6EVM1mNzgAemCR20FH_N0A48M.rkf4wUdjqpuSzBhI SpyTRrUEEo4Vqw5NZEGb7JKZ2poGkLz5Zpg75s1sVyeE5xy2Uff5LZEGBhJn woV9niSIk7cKqmuGqQzxx9m5JEjHxrLkWdNQYx9ut7mQd66_tNTyY53cyeEs RUfU9zHY_drspVW9SsR1HC3aZiokmZsp0kzLmmR9bvRMh.ZhCtDFRS89heDm qo2QeWxNd1dd9sSvOHxpg8bZPqbBZHHq.MiO3jOiVq_SZco1dyGF9dRc9Y7p d1ufRCI265wBqgcy8cM2m6izJDZ06wbbL8.ch0tLsR7HA7HR3Q_otCoVhOxS RB8lMWz86dyb55Bzjs0p.YxmokFbpAbl3Cg6BCQH_3nHIExSh8Ww7kj5Odib X4tHZKeXzK_IUZJooH5kdbxhA9RPO2W4VOQZZ6h2M0NBys4RpYg.9S4MePR9 nqv2w4hrDVeCe4c9MYivcez19A.JRg82adwwMb9cEm9E- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1341853049.88007.YahooMailClassic@web84518.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 09:57:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Mungenast Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-304233189-227203919-1341853049=:88007" Resent-Message-ID: <-_N-RC.A.-x._1w-PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 16:57:35 +0000 (UTC) ---304233189-227203919-1341853049=:88007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jeffrey, although I know jack-sh*t about computers (or maybe BECAUSE I know= jack-sh*t about computers), I feel what you're saying about PCs versus Mac= s. I use an infuriating old MacBook at my temp job and an equally infuriati= ng Windows 7 PC at home, and they both have features that make me want to s= mash them with a hammer. Both are a strong motivation for me to switch ever= ything to Linux. (BITE ME, MICROSOFT! ;-) --- On Mon, 7/9/12, Jeffrey Collins wrote: From: Jeffrey Collins Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Monday, July 9, 2012, 12:28 PM Another group that says they are doing a tour and come to 5 places in Ameri= ca. Damn. I wish I could have gotten to see this but alas, I didn't even think they w= ould be doing a tour. It really bothers me that they, along with just about= any other group or soloist seem to pass right over the midwest region, and= they should know there's a LOT of fans out here.=0A As for him using Dell computers. I really don't think there is much of a di= fference between a mac and win machine these days except for user interface= and all the damn updates you always have to do with windows products. I (b= eing a mac user) have actually grown tired of all this apple bull, especial= ly with apple trying to tell me what I need in a computer. I need a freakin= g dvd drive. And I also need a blu-ray drive, both of which they don't do i= n laptops anymore. All I can tell you is this...my next computer will be ma= de in pieces I buy from computer stores and it will run windows. Cause I ne= ed something super powerful for video. And I'll just use this (computer i'm= on now) for web stuff.=0A Cheers Christophe. BTW, Any pics???Jeffrey On Monday, July 9, 2012, Christophe wrote: =0AGood Morning All, I was lucky enough to be in the first row at the House of Blues last Thursd= ay for the first Tangerine Dream concert in Boston in 20 years.=A0 A great = show!=A0 I'm writing though, because I thought you might find their setup i= nteresting.=A0 They're touring as a six piece - guitar, precussionist, viol= in/cello/theremin player, and three keyboardists, one who doubles on woodwi= nds.=A0 The three keyboardists Edgar Froese, Thorsten Queschning, and Linda= Spa each had a Nord synth (an older Nord Lead, a Lead 3 and a Wave, respec= tively) and Froese and Queschning each had a Korg Radias as well as a MIDI = controller I coudln't quite see.=A0 But they also had 2 big plasma screens = on which they were running softsynths (Arturia Moog Modular, Minimoog, Mass= ive, and a few more.=A0 But what I found=A0 couldn't help but note after al= l the recent Mac talk is that they appeared to be running the lot off Dell = laptops. =0A Edgar is pretty much the granddaddy of live electronic performance, so it m= ight be interesting to hear his reasoning on computer choices! Chris =0A ---304233189-227203919-1341853049=:88007 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jeffrey, although I know jack-sh*t about comp= uters (or maybe BECAUSE I know jack-sh*t about computers), I feel what you'= re saying about PCs versus Macs. I use an infuriating old MacBook at my tem= p job and an equally infuriating Windows 7 PC at home, and they both have f= eatures that make me want to smash them with a hammer. Both are a strong mo= tivation for me to switch everything to Linux. (BITE ME, MICROSOFT! ;-)
=



--- On Mon, 7/9/12, Jeffrey Collins <jef= freycollins1975@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Jeffrey Collins <jeffreycollins1975@gmail.com>
Subject: Re= : OT: Tangerine Dream
To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Date: Monday, July 9, 2012,= 12:28 PM

Another group that says they are= doing a tour and come to 5 places in America. Damn.

I w= ish I could have gotten to see this but alas, I didn't even think they woul= d be doing a tour. It really bothers me that they, along with just about an= y other group or soloist seem to pass right over the midwest region, and th= ey should know there's a LOT of fans out here.
=0A

= As for him using Dell computers. I really don't think there is much of a di= fference between a mac and win machine these days except for user interface= and all the damn updates you always have to do with windows products. I (b= eing a mac user) have actually grown tired of all this apple bull, especial= ly with apple trying to tell me what I need in a computer. I need a freakin= g dvd drive. And I also need a blu-ray drive, both of which they don't do i= n laptops anymore. All I can tell you is this...my next computer will be ma= de in pieces I buy from computer stores and it will run windows. Cause I ne= ed something super powerful for video. And I'll just use this (computer i'm= on now) for web stuff.
=0A

Cheers Christophe. BTW,= Any pics???
Jeffrey

On Monday, July 9, 2012, Christophe = wrote:
=0A
Good Morn= ing All,

I was lucky enough to be in the first row at the House of B= lues last Thursday for the first Tangerine Dream concert in Boston in 20 ye= ars.  A great show!  I'm writing though, because I thought you mi= ght find their setup interesting.  They're touring as a six piece - gu= itar, precussionist, violin/cello/theremin player, and three keyboardists, = one who doubles on woodwinds.  The three keyboardists Edgar Froese, Th= orsten Queschning, and Linda Spa each had a Nord synth (an older Nord Lead,= a Lead 3 and a Wave, respectively) and Froese and Queschning each had a Ko= rg Radias as well as a MIDI controller I coudln't quite see.  But they= also had 2 big plasma screens on which they were running softsynths (Artur= ia Moog Modular, Minimoog, Massive, and a few more.  But what I found&= nbsp; couldn't help but note after all the recent Mac talk is that they appeared to be running the lot off Dell laptops.
=0A
Edgar is pretty= much the granddaddy of live electronic performance, so it might be interes= ting to hear his reasoning on computer choices!

Chris
=0A
---304233189-227203919-1341853049=:88007-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 17:25:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8036418345D; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:25:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FFB13F2.9040700@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 10:25:06 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream References: <1140348642.1051824.1341843126450.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <1140348642.1051824.1341843126450.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9VLL6D.A.qDB.-Px-PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:25:18 +0000 (UTC) On 7/9/12 7:12 AM, Christophe wrote: > Edgar is pretty much the granddaddy of live electronic performance, so > it might be interesting to hear his reasoning on computer choices! If he's running all Dells (one of the most annoying manufacturers of PCs from my experience) I would guess that they have given them to him for endorsement purposes. If I were given several state of the art PCs (even if they were Dells) I'd be rocking that shit , too. Just a surmise, but I'll bet I'm right. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 17:43:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B0B3183460; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:43:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 486 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 17:43:22 UTC Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:35:17 +0000 (UTC) From: Christophe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <1991811842.1064724.1341855317129.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1064723_338765746.1341855317108" X-Originating-IP: [146.243.4.157] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:43:22 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1064723_338765746.1341855317108 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jeffrey, Alas, no pics. One of these days I'm going to have to get a cell phone. I will tell you a tale of tour frustration, though. Tangerine Dream was scheduled to play in Boston (for the first time in 10 years) in October 2001 in a tiny jazz club called Scullers. I had tickets to both shows, front table. I couldn't wait! Then, guess what? 9/11, and pretty much everything by anyone from Europe got cancelled. And as a result of all the increased border security/harrassment a lot of acts either never came back here or took a long time to, like TD. I certainly sympathize with you, though. I have a friend in Wichita who regularly complains about the same thing. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Collins" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 12:28:54 PM Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream Another group that says they are doing a tour and come to 5 places in America. Damn. I wish I could have gotten to see this but alas, I didn't even think they would be doing a tour. It really bothers me that they, along with just about any other group or soloist seem to pass right over the midwest region, and they should know there's a LOT of fans out here. As for him using Dell computers. I really don't think there is much of a difference between a mac and win machine these days except for user interface and all the damn updates you always have to do with windows products. I (being a mac user) have actually grown tired of all this apple bull, especially with apple trying to tell me what I need in a computer. I need a freaking dvd drive. And I also need a blu-ray drive, both of which they don't do in laptops anymore. All I can tell you is this...my next computer will be made in pieces I buy from computer stores and it will run windows. Cause I need something super powerful for video. And I'll just use this (computer i'm on now) for web stuff. Cheers Christophe. BTW, Any pics??? Jeffrey On Monday, July 9, 2012, Christophe wrote: Good Morning All, I was lucky enough to be in the first row at the House of Blues last Thursday for the first Tangerine Dream concert in Boston in 20 years. A great show! I'm writing though, because I thought you might find their setup interesting. They're touring as a six piece - guitar, precussionist, violin/cello/theremin player, and three keyboardists, one who doubles on woodwinds. The three keyboardists Edgar Froese, Thorsten Queschning, and Linda Spa each had a Nord synth (an older Nord Lead, a Lead 3 and a Wave, respectively) and Froese and Queschning each had a Korg Radias as well as a MIDI controller I coudln't quite see. But they also had 2 big plasma screens on which they were running softsynths (Arturia Moog Modular, Minimoog, Massive, and a few more. But what I found couldn't help but note after all the recent Mac talk is that they appeared to be running the lot off Dell laptops. Edgar is pretty much the granddaddy of live electronic performance, so it might be interesting to hear his reasoning on computer choices! Chris ------=_Part_1064723_338765746.1341855317108 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= div style=3D'font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>Hi Jeffre= y,

Alas, no pics.  One of these days I'm going to have to get a= cell phone.

I will tell you a tale of tour frustration, though.&nbs= p; Tangerine Dream was scheduled to play in Boston (for the first time in 1= 0 years) in October 2001 in a tiny jazz club called Scullers.  I had t= ickets to both shows, front table.  I couldn't wait!  Then, guess= what?  9/11, and pretty much everything by anyone from Europe got can= celled.  And as a result of all the increased border security/harrassm= ent a lot of acts either never came back here or took a long time to, like = TD.

I certainly sympathize with you, though.  I have a friend i= n Wichita who regularly complains about the same thing.

Chris

From: "Jeffrey Collins" <jeffreycollins1975@gma= il.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 12:28:54 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dre= am

Another group that says they are doing a tour and come to 5 place= s in America. Damn.

I wish I could have gotten to see th= is but alas, I didn't even think they would be doing a tour. It really both= ers me that they, along with just about any other group or soloist seem to = pass right over the midwest region, and they should know there's a LOT of f= ans out here.

As for him using Dell computers. I really don't think t= here is much of a difference between a mac and win machine these days excep= t for user interface and all the damn updates you always have to do with wi= ndows products. I (being a mac user) have actually grown tired of all this = apple bull, especially with apple trying to tell me what I need in a comput= er. I need a freaking dvd drive. And I also need a blu-ray drive, both of w= hich they don't do in laptops anymore. All I can tell you is this...my next= computer will be made in pieces I buy from computer stores and it will run= windows. Cause I need something super powerful for video. And I'll just us= e this (computer i'm on now) for web stuff.

Cheers Christophe. BTW, Any pics???
Jeffrey
On Monday, July 9, 2012, Christophe wrote:
Good Morning All,
<= br>I was lucky enough to be in the first row at the House of Blues last Thu= rsday for the first Tangerine Dream concert in Boston in 20 years.  A = great show!  I'm writing though, because I thought you might find thei= r setup interesting.  They're touring as a six piece - guitar, precuss= ionist, violin/cello/theremin player, and three keyboardists, one who doubl= es on woodwinds.  The three keyboardists Edgar Froese, Thorsten Quesch= ning, and Linda Spa each had a Nord synth (an older Nord Lead, a Lead 3 and= a Wave, respectively) and Froese and Queschning each had a Korg Radias as = well as a MIDI controller I coudln't quite see.  But they also had 2 b= ig plasma screens on which they were running softsynths (Arturia Moog Modul= ar, Minimoog, Massive, and a few more.  But what I found  couldn'= t help but note after all the recent Mac talk is that they appeared to be r= unning the lot off Dell laptops.

Edgar is pretty much the granddaddy of live electronic performance, so = it might be interesting to hear his reasoning on computer choices!

C= hris
------=_Part_1064723_338765746.1341855317108-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 17:49:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11C26183455; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:48:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:49:00 +0000 (UTC) From: Christophe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <1646300312.1065486.1341856140250.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <4FFB13F2.9040700@cruzio.com> Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1065485_2101199940.1341856140249" X-Originating-IP: [146.243.4.157] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:48:59 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1065485_2101199940.1341856140249 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Rick, That certainly could be!. What I was thinking though, was that as someone who cut his teeth on notoriously unstable analog gear and being an early adopter of all the tetchy digital stuff, particularly the early synths, to come and go over the last forty years he would probably place a pretty high premium on reliability . Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 1:25:06 PM Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream On 7/9/12 7:12 AM, Christophe wrote: > Edgar is pretty much the granddaddy of live electronic performance, so > it might be interesting to hear his reasoning on computer choices! If he's running all Dells (one of the most annoying manufacturers of PCs from my experience) I would guess that they have given them to him for endorsement purposes. If I were given several state of the art PCs (even if they were Dells) I'd be rocking that shit , too. Just a surmise, but I'll bet I'm right. Rick Walker ------=_Part_1065485_2101199940.1341856140249 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= div style=3D'font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>Hi Rick,<= br>
That certainly could be!.  What I was thinking though, was that= as someone who cut his teeth on notoriously unstable analog gear and being= an early adopter of all the tetchy digital stuff, particularly the early s= ynths, to come and go over the last forty years he would probably place a p= retty high premium on reliability.

Chris


= From: "Rick Walker" <looppool@cruzio.com>
To: "LOOPERS = DELIGHT (posting)" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: = Monday, July 9, 2012 1:25:06 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dr= eam

On 7/9/12 7:12 AM, Christophe wrote:
> Edgar is pretty muc= h the granddaddy of live electronic performance, so
> it might be in= teresting to hear his reasoning on computer choices!
If he's running all= Dells (one of the most annoying manufacturers of PCs
from my experienc= e) I would
guess that they have given them to him for endorsement purpos= es.

If I were given several state of the art PCs (even if they were = Dells)
I'd be rocking that shit , too.

Just a surmise, but I'll = bet I'm right.

Rick Walker

------=_Part_1065485_2101199940.1341856140249-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 18:19:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 368CD183462; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 18:19:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 641234.88987.bm@omp1027.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1341857975; bh=E8aUHqUgA2drPgPLGppgWRBEy0spwv7mPMJZzFwpL8w=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pEvkTqSxgkmARMcrFXka28cSEkI9UFHpLTKgMGVOou6Qjj1hEEktf/fGyoU6RZ/c2TuwA3BlNHTFzOaGylGT5KkOlEc9tUnk3ueF1+ffSKcsdrSkms4vsmmKRorsNathph6klfK9MX5m/g35BwjV/qkWUiOOPkVCO9mpoUngBG4= X-YMail-OSG: wvduuj4VM1k2V5ZITpnVldfJY16qLIW8Y3C5Kge7A2Az17w Nvf_vIXpbAuM4Bp8Es5JmYOBUfTcZfdWwr89W_Kg_Yz1Zf4PjNdB7QlufQuX nvhEs2kgUoJhfh7IjsENIEsb5HxYhAdnyrBQ9dT2qk0myQ1fNCif0_McBLXc MyqWYbT4E3wftwir06sveJ4061MwTdAqki3ZpMTh_bUpZCSNYVzhSZLUtCb2 Xof55rqPyFWBLWPcRYLbsg.nY28j9gtQPQWgR30czZwp1qcTSG89kBlYlcW0 pGTHW1MMXIaiMs96F4Jh7jH5_U1Q3hVggDP_qLA0N9srXCajjLqT4EJ.R.3O EQf1tNIy6Et543U0AfUO4BR.MmOvN07c80IiklViEOv1HD18YbwtmJb5jtr. 6NmOU9N17rdOjqc4n1VdQEDyCGDrk4tv80vGJ7_5T_0xcpYiXyf.tLf3nayJ EZR9bo2DyJdrYlze.e4.nqCxaXd6PDf5gnfJFDRkMm7A3 X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1341857975.25043.YahooMailClassic@web84520.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 11:19:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Mungenast Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4FFB13F2.9040700@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 18:19:37 +0000 (UTC) My money is on your guess, Rick! ;-) --- On Mon, 7/9/12, Rick Walker wrote: > From: Rick Walker > Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > Date: Monday, July 9, 2012, 1:25 PM > On 7/9/12 7:12 AM, Christophe wrote: > > Edgar is pretty much the granddaddy of live electronic > performance, so it might be interesting to hear his > reasoning on computer choices! > If he's running all Dells (one of the most annoying > manufacturers of PCs from my experience) I would > guess that they have given them to him for endorsement > purposes. > > If I were given several state of the art PCs (even if they > were Dells) I'd be rocking that shit , too. > > Just a surmise, but I'll bet I'm right. > > Rick Walker > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 18:25:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C969183460; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 18:25:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 18:25:32 +0000 (UTC) From: Christophe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <445462025.1067796.1341858332833.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <1341857975.25043.YahooMailClassic@web84520.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1067795_407750686.1341858332833" X-Originating-IP: [146.243.4.157] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 18:25:32 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1067795_407750686.1341858332833 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have to admit, even though I'm a PC user, Dell isn't the one I'd personally pick. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 2:19:35 PM Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream My money is on your guess, Rick! ;-) > If I were given several state of the art PCs (even if they > were Dells) I'd be rocking that shit , too. > > Just a surmise, but I'll bet I'm right. > > Rick Walker > > ------=_Part_1067795_407750686.1341858332833 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I have to admit, even though I'm a PC user, Dell isn't the one I'd personally pick.


From: "Tim Mungenast" <tmungenast@verizon.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 2:19:35 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream

My money is on your guess, Rick! ;-)


> If I were given several state of the art PCs (even if they
> were Dells) I'd be rocking that shit , too.
>
> Just a surmise, but I'll bet I'm right.
>
> Rick Walker
>
>

------=_Part_1067795_407750686.1341858332833-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 18:31:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E389F183460; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 18:31:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=LAY5JWggcMinC1KHqKjpNBmKMIgMsUIoReFsYURAjsw=; b=oW+Yk9PNKWDyCxR/P+lJqozUt2iJ1Cg3y2uVmtJSyynY3rLFG+Wmxg5I8Fg016kjnR wmXrG9w9uN7l72WJFmLxkxu9bt4IRdkKh1lqmDSyUSMccD4VbiLOzKy5dx8c0zJF4wl0 ynvKmEie4t9djMVYMCYL9I3dzxgVZgeDcrvGxuZOz4h5qvkyxukRPDDO2tu0hIsAtfF8 7QXU+o/eBkeuYlCwWNFH/J2TX/+UTazhA+PMT6Q3lXBeMQZfVXYGa9g7ZCeBcLHnbgUr fXfYqFnpQjVMs1CjbCYXx2J39Kq6oFo+5IRlIjJEHTZOVBB/QvOgNUTuSJcw+/s7F3Rh V97A== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <445462025.1067796.1341858332833.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1341857975.25043.YahooMailClassic@web84520.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <445462025.1067796.1341858332833.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 20:31:48 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 18:31:49 +0000 (UTC) Nice thread! I thing Tangerine Dream beats both Dell and Apple :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 18:43:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20E26183460; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 18:43:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ecF8GVAkz4KC/U+UVBy4ctvvD+182uNvn1drjhQV5CU=; b=rKfxEEFw2j02EvmT79VK8lm7tfFQS1r8fMam/fw8pS4sqXIzg7BwacHHP+jGC2Kbdg GxhGLsM3v+hfVYZcEpV9/8BOJkQH2b4TX9RmULKuVbCONWPpsJxXuQZv18VWA6EYmF00 KWWxfqpq65PpcB6Wto431okSzAVkBCEbhhkkTDi7lS2cd2ZpwcdfnsAHHRjO31skeObC Z5vExFFmSXotdFP9l3N7mRwkMIOzZ16y9CenY/spDVhmZjHmO9DNvxc2ZMT7Tp7iBhHr JMAZLeU3D4miAMTUCxLpgUkZf+xIg0ZeunpcbuZ7/feJaexqGn3J7aMN6v63SjYK3kZH kqRQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 20:43:01 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: apple cut the upgrade path for mainstage? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 18:43:02 +0000 (UTC) Because they changed the marketing and pricing model. Now Logic and Mainstage are separate products distributed through the Appstore, not parts of a product (like old day's "Studio" package). In that process the price tag was cut. My guess to the question "why" is that I assume they want to bring in more Apple users by this whole idea with low prices on the Appstore, letting iPhones and iPads finance specialized products like Mainstage and Logic. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Simeon Harris wrote: > mainstage on the app store is at v2.2.2 > > i'm a registered logic studio owner and my version of mainstage is still at 2.1 > > i received an update last year, but nothing since.... so why have i > not been offered the opportunity to upgrade my mainstage? > > sim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 18:51:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A85418345E; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 18:51:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=gt9huYbwXAB5uNJU6jCNWttiqPCxua+Viha/k9FMJYs=; b=pc+sDnUZzSHQlA8hnVN/KpZBPMS/vkFA+/YGTQuhmzeLTvtoYpyLOCagW33Fq45gon UY5l2VZA1bhi/pxRC9/XDrtXg2kvHgRYlhwEKd/cKtnaR6tIAeanWLiz47B0Mhp0jeMv ZMoo8SJpZGYhvIVV7rct3FLeEI/M1/eIMZntYlgo9MbKLpZmkDIsCUIJJyFTHL2EC1E6 7pXGZZKgGoK+XvFv1RAwJNi2LMrZ6vHvvUKAZECpqVDb9Il6S5U60Q50BaEohNNt68Q7 6HHO47xlaoQR/VWhMCvperpZdXtSI6h4wZSU8sYAqDSGPHpx69HSUC2XbqHLDZVSBYbT BDVA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FF9EC75.40007@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4FF9EC75.40007@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 20:51:25 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: using mac for softsynths only - audio interface needed? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 18:51:26 +0000 (UTC) You can use it but it will give a touch of "crappy laptop sound" to the synths. Some people like that though. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 10:24 PM, andy butler wrote: > From what I've heard of mac audio you'd likely want to improve on it. > (try it first though, my experience is out of date). > > Good way to do that is to run the optical digi out to a standalone D/A > converter (assuming they still have those). > andy > > > Simeon Harris wrote: >> >> anybody doing this? using a mac for audio out only? is an audio >> interface really needed if you're just using it for softsynths, or can >> you get away with using the internal audio drivers and the headphone >> output? seems to me like it should be fine, but just wondering if >> anybody had any thoughts on this... >> >> thanks >> >> sim >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 21:03:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 451F9183462; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 21:03:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=kMdJ1YBcF9dP+GhjaCyWj0Dz1ypC3ZpSz48fHimTyGo=; b=o/mqNzhpOiXHfO+a8BTTW7Q+e+F/qJSymJ7k9+SrmMvSdRAvy7nGFDmqou6kXDDJEy zr/qkn3V5+S8Xdxacfx8SGKwE85PrrSr2nFtU31rT2quoniA91hj0RGWJ4LEDETx7UrG OTSNtxP0rw+8D39AxTQMwIvwrKoD5JNM5SZlUY5LJi014jzShpXhPWS+uwecUiEt0qGo kM5pWWivafmRLRQ+iqocU/ndPuepSnErNVoSFCHYUqc2KR5xqxyAuIpgPfqQf4WgrZkd Koc90MtekYxR+H3McIGI78rEL9lHt9CVKRT9WUY1ywNFs78DzKzz+pwNUsSB9mObjUv1 70hg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:03:10 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream From: Tim Thompson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmj7b0EPvr3PbiCqQqmF9OGjEsM80cSTxcf8xrTdicFRUqyCkB34Sa0sqf29NaK6yCKjQq8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 21:03:11 +0000 (UTC) > I have to admit, even though I'm a PC user, Dell isn't the one I'd personally pick. Reliability and other quality-related aspects vary even within a single manufacturer. In the survey on this page (for desktops, not laptops): http://www.pcworld.com/article/244481/desktop_pc_reliability_and_satisfaction_dell_and_hp_home_pcs_get_poor_grades.html note the huge difference between Dell's business line and their home line. Dell's product line is wide and deep and provides lots of options, which can be enticing when you know exactly what you want. Every new model is an opportunity for them to either succeed or fail, and it's hard to tell which it is until feedback on forums starts rolling in on a particular model. I never order a laptop model without consulting feedback on forums for that particular model. ...Tim... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 22:22:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B420F18345E; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 22:22:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=pc5SEXMFm6H/hMB3ZtGXFUAKglvl+tc0sIZYAfpnHSs=; b=YJJohjlE1dmtJYiMbMnxmZ9cPdiicibz3PV6giwQDbcx+2f+y17jLSj0THEQT83x1U ddotSzpmZZYpPvHOMZfRYevRtNbuGmdL5oFPBnqDMYlU5/VC+ky/NntwtN/nrETOasLa 1cdo6f34MjBih+Pj6mq5ezMn1bETXv4/1iDEGOLmREcIXoLwdFho8wz6hxO8iz5qa4Do GW+7Cv8pTUpqzy1GRluBqmidatpjpvrGIOETix0rNxtEsRNM88CZjXBC2waKvqkFqwEO NqsQjlQWpOACOgSmj8R/GSGVVqhM/BG6SjpbALb7s6nwU35TwEoCphAG4U0J6KXFptDv Pnvw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1140348642.1051824.1341843126450.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1140348642.1051824.1341843126450.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 15:22:40 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <_zuyeC.A.B8D.xm1-PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 22:22:41 +0000 (UTC) So, what did you think? I'd love to hear Tangerine Dream do stuff like they did in the 70s and early 80s. Not so excited about the idea of them playing their late 80s, 90s and 00s stuff. They are playing in Napa, California this friday. Tickets are $40. If it was in town, I'd certainly go to see them. However, wine country gigs are often for bands that are way past their heyday. You'd think with all the hip bands that sound like Tangerine Dream now (such as Oneohtrix Point Never), that they could do well in a San Francisco or Oakland venue.... Matt On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 7:12 AM, Christophe wrote: > Good Morning All, > > I was lucky enough to be in the first row at the House of Blues last > Thursday for the first Tangerine Dream concert in Boston in 20 years. A > great show! I'm writing though, because I thought you might find their > setup interesting. They're touring as a six piece - guitar, precussionist, > violin/cello/theremin player, and three keyboardists, one who doubles on > woodwinds. The three keyboardists Edgar Froese, Thorsten Queschning, and > Linda Spa each had a Nord synth (an older Nord Lead, a Lead 3 and a Wave, > respectively) and Froese and Queschning each had a Korg Radias as well as a > MIDI controller I coudln't quite see. But they also had 2 big plasma > screens on which they were running softsynths (Arturia Moog Modular, > Minimoog, Massive, and a few more. But what I found couldn't help but note > after all the recent Mac talk is that they appeared to be running the lot > off Dell laptops. > > Edgar is pretty much the granddaddy of live electronic performance, so it > might be interesting to hear his reasoning on computer choices! > > Chris -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 22:51:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA5B8183460; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 22:51:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1201 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 22:51:33 UTC X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=8n69asTuZbMnXn9oCQM8qmqRc2QTO8vVbX5gOB99VVA= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=1mPEbzcIwNq/5QazqZV7BA==:17 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=OT3O6O8lAAAA:8 a=o0ZD21Z9AAAA:8 a=sY74nMTyZMeHDxbki8gA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=1mPEbzcIwNq/5QazqZV7BA==:117 X-Auth-id: dGhldG95cm9vbUBjaGFydGVyLm5ldA== Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream References: <1140348642.1051824.1341843126450.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> From: Richard Atkinson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8A306) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 15:28:56 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8A306) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 22:51:33 +0000 (UTC) I saw them @ UCLA/Royce Hall a few years ago. I'm not a huge fan, but I dig t= heir 70s/80s work, as well. It was enjoyable, but a bit of a snoozer, honestly. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2012, at 3:22 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > So, what did you think? I'd love to hear Tangerine Dream do stuff like > they did in the 70s and early 80s. Not so excited about the idea of > them playing their late 80s, 90s and 00s stuff. They are playing in > Napa, California this friday. Tickets are $40. If it was in town, I'd > certainly go to see them. However, wine country gigs are often for > bands that are way past their heyday. >=20 > You'd think with all the hip bands that sound like Tangerine Dream now > (such as Oneohtrix Point Never), that they could do well in a San > Francisco or Oakland venue.... >=20 > Matt >=20 > On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 7:12 AM, Christophe wrote: >> Good Morning All, >>=20 >> I was lucky enough to be in the first row at the House of Blues last >> Thursday for the first Tangerine Dream concert in Boston in 20 years. A >> great show! I'm writing though, because I thought you might find their >> setup interesting. They're touring as a six piece - guitar, precussionis= t, >> violin/cello/theremin player, and three keyboardists, one who doubles on >> woodwinds. The three keyboardists Edgar Froese, Thorsten Queschning, and= >> Linda Spa each had a Nord synth (an older Nord Lead, a Lead 3 and a Wave,= >> respectively) and Froese and Queschning each had a Korg Radias as well as= a >> MIDI controller I coudln't quite see. But they also had 2 big plasma >> screens on which they were running softsynths (Arturia Moog Modular, >> Minimoog, Massive, and a few more. But what I found couldn't help but n= ote >> after all the recent Mac talk is that they appeared to be running the lot= >> off Dell laptops. >>=20 >> Edgar is pretty much the granddaddy of live electronic performance, so it= >> might be interesting to hear his reasoning on computer choices! >>=20 >> Chris >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 13:53:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B738183460; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 13:53:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 13:53:40 +0000 (UTC) From: Christophe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <1909209164.1103165.1341928420937.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1103164_766369289.1341928420930" X-Originating-IP: [146.243.4.157] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 13:53:40 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1103164_766369289.1341928420930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Matt, I'm a huge fan of the band throughout their career, but of course with a career 40+ years long there are periods I love (the 70's Froese-Franke-Baumann era) and some not so much (the Melrose period). Unfortunately, the 70's era with those wonderful Moog sequences was not represented very much. The sound and material was in line with what they've been doing in recent years, and if you listen to any of the live recordings they've done over the past few (Zeitgeist, London Eye, etc.) you've pretty much got the picture. Two 90 minute sets, mostly medleys, with parts representative of different phases of the bands material scattered throughout. One unexpected treat was a version of the Doors, "The Crystal Ship", with a vocal by Thorsten Queschning. Bernard Biebl on guitar was good but maybe a bit too restrained. Iris Camaa on percussion was definitely the most animated of the group and she added a lot of energy to the performance. But alas, no long space odysseys . :-( TD is a mature band (extremely!) so you really don't see a lot of evolution in the sound in recent years , but that said they put on a totally satisfying show. Definitely gave you your moneys worth for $46 for a front row seat! Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 6:22:40 PM Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream So, what did you think? I'd love to hear Tangerine Dream do stuff like they did in the 70s and early 80s. Not so excited about the idea of them playing their late 80s, 90s and 00s stuff. They are playing in Napa, California this friday. Tickets are $40. If it was in town, I'd certainly go to see them. However, wine country gigs are often for bands that are way past their heyday. You'd think with all the hip bands that sound like Tangerine Dream now (such as Oneohtrix Point Never), that they could do well in a San Francisco or Oakland venue.... Matt ------=_Part_1103164_766369289.1341928420930 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= div style=3D'font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>Hi Matt,<= br>
I'm a huge fan of the band throughout their career, but of course wi= th a career 40+ years long there are periods I love (the 70's Froese-Franke= -Baumann era)  and some not so much (the Melrose period).  Unfort= unately, the 70's era with those wonderful Moog sequences was not represent= ed very much.  The sound and material was in line with what they've be= en doing in recent years, and if you listen to any of the live recordings t= hey've done over the past few (Zeitgeist, London Eye, etc.) you've pretty m= uch got the picture.  Two 90 minute sets, mostly medleys, with parts r= epresentative of different phases of the bands material scattered throughou= t.  One unexpected treat was a version of the Doors, "The Crystal Ship= ", with a vocal by Thorsten Queschning.  Bernard Biebl on guitar was g= ood but  maybe a bit too restrained.  Iris Camaa on percussion wa= s definitely the most animated of the group and she added a lot of energy t= o the performance.

But alas, no long space odysseys. :-(

TD i= s a mature band (extremely!) so you really don't see a lot of evolution in = the sound in recent years, but that said they put on a totally satisfying s= how.  Definitely gave you your moneys worth for $46 for a front row se= at!

Chris


From: "Matt Davignon" <m= attdavignon@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=
Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 6:22:40 PM
Subject: Re: OT:= Tangerine Dream

So, what did you think? I'd love to hear Tangerine = Dream do stuff like
they did in the 70s and early 80s. Not so excited ab= out the idea of
them playing their late 80s, 90s and 00s stuff. They are= playing in
Napa, California this friday. Tickets are $40. If it was in = town, I'd
certainly go to see them. However, wine country gigs are often= for
bands that are way past their heyday.

You'd think with all t= he hip bands that sound like Tangerine Dream now
(such as Oneohtrix Poin= t Never), that they could do well in a San
Francisco or Oakland venue...= .

Matt


------=_Part_1103164_766369289.1341928420930-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 13:58:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1EB24183460; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 13:58:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 13:58:49 +0000 (UTC) From: Christophe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <513290874.1103520.1341928729532.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1103519_258771207.1341928729531" X-Originating-IP: [146.243.4.157] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 13:58:49 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1103519_258771207.1341928729531 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Right you are. I'm sure, too, that the units they had were not exactly off-the-shelf but extra-special custom orders with all the best components and zero bloatware. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Thompson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 5:03:10 PM Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream > I have to admit, even though I'm a PC user, Dell isn't the one I'd personally pick. Reliability and other quality-related aspects vary even within a single manufacturer. In the survey on this page (for desktops, not laptops): http://www.pcworld.com/article/244481/desktop_pc_reliability_and_satisfaction_dell_and_hp_home_pcs_get_poor_grades.html note the huge difference between Dell's business line and their home line. Dell's product line is wide and deep and provides lots of options, which can be enticing when you know exactly what you want. Every new model is an opportunity for them to either succeed or fail, and it's hard to tell which it is until feedback on forums starts rolling in on a particular model. I never order a laptop model without consulting feedback on forums for that particular model. ...Tim... ------=_Part_1103519_258771207.1341928729531 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= div style=3D'font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>Right you= are.  I'm sure, too, that the units they had were not exactly off-the= -shelf but extra-special custom orders with all the best components and zer= o bloatware.


From: "Tim Thompson" <me@tim= thompson.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Se= nt: Monday, July 9, 2012 5:03:10 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Tangerin= e Dream

> I have to admit, even though I'm a PC user, Dell isn't = the one I'd personally pick.

Reliability and other quality-related a= spects vary even within a
single manufacturer.    In the surve= y on this page (for desktops, not
laptops):

     h= ttp://www.pcworld.com/article/244481/desktop_pc_reliability_and_satisfactio= n_dell_and_hp_home_pcs_get_poor_grades.html

note the huge difference= between Dell's business line and their home
line.  Dell's product = line is wide and deep and provides lots of
options, which can be enticin= g when you know exactly what you want.
Every new model is an opportunity= for them to either succeed or fail,
and it's hard to tell which it is u= ntil feedback on forums starts
rolling in on a particular model.  I= never order a laptop model
without consulting feedback on forums for th= at particular model.

     ...Tim...

------=_Part_1103519_258771207.1341928729531-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 15:16:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78634183460; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 15:16:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <1991811842.1064724.1341855317129.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream In-Reply-To: <1991811842.1064724.1341855317129.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: michael klobuchar X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CF2CC627E7AAD8_13A0_68FD_webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36478-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CF2CC627E7AAD8-13A0-1AA9@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [68.162.156.233] Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 11:16:46 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1341933407; bh=2SIRcmLK8isTAgbZjcH8Eae/ZD1ECsn7QZYnG/5Lw3o=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ueiEjEBz23FemTqMzbM5aVeb1sRozU6+fK8K/8fkaXiI4xO3gfvHJbNM6Lhz77Ca6 Og5+SoDcAsYXhGsIpnnBOW7TVBrXQsOV/S9f333fZ+ES7y8sKABUCIus+8S6l9uCC3 O8sed+nI9D0ujpMM//oduwI3hDkfPZyw9SAx3IXM= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:289249536:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cb4ffc475f1e36 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 15:16:51 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CF2CC627E7AAD8_13A0_68FD_webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Alas, no pics. One of these days I'm going to have to get a cell phone. color me old but i remember a thing called a camera.....:) =20 ----------MB_8CF2CC627E7AAD8_13A0_68FD_webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Al= as, no pics.  One of these days I'm going to have to get a cell phone.=

color me old but i remember a t= hing called a camera.....:)


----------MB_8CF2CC627E7AAD8_13A0_68FD_webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 15:34:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9901A183462; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 15:34:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 15:34:54 +0000 (UTC) From: Christophe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <1093744988.1109482.1341934494928.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <8CF2CC627E7AAD8-13A0-1AA9@webmail-stg-m05.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1109481_35841564.1341934494919" X-Originating-IP: [146.243.4.157] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 15:34:54 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1109481_35841564.1341934494919 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, I have one of those (digital, even!), but I hate to bring it to concerts for fear that they'll have some kind of draconian "no pictures" policy that will wind up with it being confiscated or something. Cell phones seem to get a pass. Talk about old. I asked some kid for the time the other day - he was wearing a wristwatch, but pulled out his cell phone to look at the time! ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael klobuchar" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 11:16:46 AM Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream Alas, no pics. One of these days I'm going to have to get a cell phone. color me old but i remember a thing called a camera.....:)
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Yeah, I have one of those (digital, even!), but I hate to bring it to concerts for fear that they'll have some kind of draconian "no pictures" policy that will wind up with it being confiscated or something.  Cell phones seem to get a pass.

Talk about old.  I asked some kid for the time the other day - he was wearing a wristwatch, but pulled out his cell phone to look at the time!


From: "michael klobuchar" <nemoguitt@aol.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 11:16:46 AM
Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream


Alas, no pics.  One of these days I'm going to have to get a cell phone.

color me old but i remember a thing called a camera.....:)


------=_Part_1109481_35841564.1341934494919-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 15:55:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48D8318345E; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 15:55:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <1093744988.1109482.1341934494928.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1093744988.1109482.1341934494928.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-703812160 Message-Id: From: Revfever Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream (cell phones) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 08:55:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 15:55:54 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5-703812160 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed The wristwatch was probably only some status "bling" to try to look good. :-) Cheers- Rev.Fever Portlandia http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult On Jul 10, 2012, at 8:34 AM, Christophe wrote: > Yeah, I have one of those (digital, even!), but I hate to bring it > to concerts for fear that they'll have some kind of draconian "no > pictures" policy that will wind up with it being confiscated or > something. Cell phones seem to get a pass. > > Talk about old. I asked some kid for the time the other day - he > was wearing a wristwatch, but pulled out his cell phone to look at > the time! > > From: "michael klobuchar" > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 11:16:46 AM > Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream > > > Alas, no pics. One of these days I'm going to have to get a cell > phone. > > color me old but i remember a thing called a camera.....:) > > > --Apple-Mail-5-703812160 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII The wristwatch was probably only some status "bling" to try to look = good.  :-)

Cheers-
Rev.Fever

Talk about old.  I asked = some kid for the time the other day - he was wearing a wristwatch, but = pulled out his cell phone to look at the time!


From: "michael klobuchar" = <nemoguitt@aol.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 = 11:16:46 AM
Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine = Dream


color me old but i remember a thing called a = camera.....:)


= --Apple-Mail-5-703812160-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 15:58:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FF1918345D; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 15:58:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=mbBuunevh8PH7vJdnxvmaRfe7GrEd2wyKnGmLUdmrNA=; b=bbJjEnCpuJNjj5lypCbz52MAWKZkuqMZcjrJnKv0pAFoM0zl8WL3xwQO0VYwF5NKdv BV+lAj4Ag8kVcNTFLCWxooTm0ZPx8gVtTC367LaiuzTA4NqZM4lh2D2r8EjrXVwEFPIk SCYHMarQOQKK4wJUHOJMcr3E36PYE60ecaZT/JV9TdeBh78BRZh6T7J4N17xQKyr9zRE FkztJy74Xh5kgfdddpa9WlDPx89aVYqDacoL9QHdSdm/lkY1gJJDJuSQ2josnHKya5eE 3svweqJ6soNQXAM2oi/whKU+IE27ndb8BTzGx/YHDKxCyM/hT6XfP7LzkeDKuh9uAoNq eYXg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 16:58:14 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: FS: Gibson Echoplex DP+ From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 15:58:15 +0000 (UTC) Last chance saloon for a black Gibson Echoplex DP+ is good working condition with foot controller. 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Ricky From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 17:23:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94DB518345E; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 17:23:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=sfTRfzjfzVB3zI9AErQU/2bc3EH7G1KIUvitjoOxgEc=; b=kvtQg8+846GU43n/Zqgsz8k/btV/qDerr3Mw5YkPM2iKIuMQJTCr73ijGFMjfNKq3e b2uGjw2tRPDqzhYUEKrZM6twYjn96Kv2P9aBT9ow6VUbzfy9zzpPOm4SGNjp90sj4eY3 4bbMN3Sr47TLrBbftzZkeEInIBMVpuPDmj8LaWgBPRQBIzmjwqdlFCTfROd27irIXBUN lQsjo/uPI+zx5rz14uPXBgG/m7jes/yyeP1YF+9j7ZkLNsryepz1MrvNuUmdvJ7nIkiZ Se4HL7xSDqvp5zYe5U3APJl/FIKwNSB0kSeigMz8m9JynbMYSW+9crlIK9tBrEsaBJyw SywQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1909209164.1103165.1341928420937.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1909209164.1103165.1341928420937.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 10:23:08 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 17:23:09 +0000 (UTC) I was just thinking this morning about how Morton Subotnick (of "Silver Apples of the Moon" fame, an early synthesizer record) still manages to compose music that is fascinating without remaining stuck in an era. Yet some other composers (Aphex Twin, Klaus Schulze, etc) became less interesting after a certain number of years. With the latter, the pattern I notice is that in later years they tried to adjust their music to match what's popular at the moment, which of course puts them in a field with a lot of competition. I'm not too knowledgeable about Tangerine Dream's later music, but my impression from hearing a few samples is that they tailored some of their music to a general audience (seeking soundtrack & commercial work) instead of a specialized audience (with the space music). At the same time, they updated their technology from large bulky synths with a lot of personality to more modern midi instrumentation (which in the 80s and 90s sounded rather sterile). On a related note, my radio show/podcast last week was a Space theme again: http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com/ -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Christophe wrote: > Hi Matt, > > I'm a huge fan of the band throughout their career, but of course with a > career 40+ years long there are periods I love (the 70's > Froese-Franke-Baumann era) and some not so much (the Melrose period). > Unfortunately, the 70's era with those wonderful Moog sequences was not > represented very much. The sound and material was in line with what they've > been doing in recent years, and if you listen to any of the live recordings > they've done over the past few (Zeitgeist, London Eye, etc.) you've pretty > much got the picture. Two 90 minute sets, mostly medleys, with parts > representative of different phases of the bands material scattered > throughout. One unexpected treat was a version of the Doors, "The Crystal > Ship", with a vocal by Thorsten Queschning. Bernard Biebl on guitar was > good but maybe a bit too restrained. Iris Camaa on percussion was > definitely the most animated of the group and she added a lot of energy to > the performance. > > But alas, no long space odysseys. :-( > > TD is a mature band (extremely!) so you really don't see a lot of evolution > in the sound in recent years, but that said they put on a totally satisfying > show. Definitely gave you your moneys worth for $46 for a front row seat! > > Chris > > ________________________________ > From: "Matt Davignon" > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 6:22:40 PM > > Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream > > So, what did you think? I'd love to hear Tangerine Dream do stuff like > they did in the 70s and early 80s. Not so excited about the idea of > them playing their late 80s, 90s and 00s stuff. They are playing in > Napa, California this friday. Tickets are $40. If it was in town, I'd > certainly go to see them. However, wine country gigs are often for > bands that are way past their heyday. > > You'd think with all the hip bands that sound like Tangerine Dream now > (such as Oneohtrix Point Never), that they could do well in a San > Francisco or Oakland venue.... > > Matt > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 19:41:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B924183462; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 19:41:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=lVd0CScnQ/fe45rDcOWNCflKVXn+NOKHbJ7kWZLxwPs=; b=P8SQMevBTHhgl7liqlwdUJsYAaVU3pjIJJBc+VxXxVusao8zI33eD5ekEoUL52LL3Y /58LLdiC0SYegdJW3aAEiXC6ZV7Hl+noi11Tn520LcKDBWp/v+XArp5sElHLcrlaOLGQ ckchTgu7mqjAH+FxxIcB9sIJrFAUE8pPC0TUIEi7fCGNQ1ZhT7yigyWOLVbsctzUVQ3r swhnikLRIqpq9asZzZhvBWut/5kPDMBGj9Wa94p3LevxhwpKGK+4f3vOnRRvo7LTSIjV lruQMYayLwy3JraWt2aWehh8eM0f0oxVle0H2FIcKOQEqTt9TBUTERY1kCw7BDsPdKaY Gm6Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:41:35 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream From: Tim Thompson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf303b40c50eef2c04c47eeb38 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnpuGhcn+I3JaKQbZS31knxD/5+v0R9LgyKWK3Zb7CUTbW2Dk84UqGvfGm/vNIfCaoSYB+I Resent-Message-ID: <0LTffB.A.2YF.wVI_PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 19:41:36 +0000 (UTC) --20cf303b40c50eef2c04c47eeb38 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > I'm sure, too, that the units they had were not exactly off-the-shelf > but extra-special custom orders with all the best components and zero > bloatware. The beauty of Dell (and a few other sites, particularly gaming laptop makers) is that anyone can order the best components - here's Dell's top-of-the-line workstation laptop: ProcessorIntel=AE Core=99 i7-2960XM (Extreme Quad Core 2.70GHz,8M cache, Upgradable to Intel=AE vPro=99 technology)Operating SystemGenuine Windows= =AE 7 Professional, No Media, 64-bit, EnglishDisplay17.3" UltraSharp=99 FHD(1920x1080) Wide View LED Multi-Touch w/Stylus, Premium Panel Guarantee Memory2 32GB2 DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHzHard Drive512GB (SATA3) Mobility Solid State DriveOptical Drive8X DVD+/-RW Slot Load w/Roxio and Cyberlink PowerDVD=99, no mediaVideo CardNVIDIA=AE Quadro=AE 5010M with 4GB GDDR5 You can even get 3 hard drives in it - the price approaches $10K if you get the largest SSD drives - sounds silly, but for someone using many large sample libraries, it might be worth it. Hurray for manufacturers who let their customers decide what they need! ...Tim... --20cf303b40c50eef2c04c47eeb38 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> I'm sure= , too, that the units they had were not exactly off-the-shelf but extra-spe= cial custom orders with all the best components and zero bloatware.

The beauty of Dell (and a few other sites, particularly= gaming laptop makers) is that anyone can order the best components - here&= #39;s Dell's top-of-the-line workstation laptop:

Processor Intel=AE Core=99 i7-2960XM (Extreme Quad Core 2.70GHz,8M c= ache, Upgradable to Intel=AE vPro=99 technology)
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Video CardNVIDIA=AE Quadro=AE 5010M with 4GB GDDR5


You can even get 3 = hard drives in it - the price approaches $10K if you get the largest SSD dr= ives - sounds silly, but for someone using many large sample libraries, it = might be worth it. =A0Hurray for manufacturers who let their customers deci= de what they need!

=A0 =A0 ...Tim...
--20cf303b40c50eef2c04c47eeb38-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 20:06:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B49AE183461; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 20:06:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 20:06:13 +0000 (UTC) From: Christophe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <1181919999.1124839.1341950773158.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1124838_128737904.1341950773158" X-Originating-IP: [146.243.4.157] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 20:06:12 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1124838_128737904.1341950773158 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That sounds like a seriously potent machine. I might go look at the price, = just to scare myself. :-)=20 Processor =09Intel=C2=AE Core=E2=84=A2 i7-2960XM (Extreme Quad Core 2.70GHz= ,8M cache, Upgradable to Intel=C2=AE vPro=E2=84=A2 technology)=20 Operating System =09Genuine Windows=C2=AE 7 Professional, No Media, 64-bit,= English=20 Display =0917.3" UltraSharp=E2=84=A2 FHD(1920x1080) Wide View LED Multi-Tou= ch w/Stylus, Premium Panel Guarantee=20 Memory 2 =0932GB 2 DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz=20 Hard Drive =09512GB (SATA3) Mobility Solid State Drive=20 Optical Drive =098X DVD+/-RW Slot Load w/Roxio and Cyberlink PowerDVD=E2=84= =A2, no media=20 Video Card =09NVIDIA=C2=AE Quadro=C2=AE 5010M with 4GB GDDR5=20 =09 ------=_Part_1124838_128737904.1341950773158 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= div style=3D'font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>That soun= ds like a seriously potent machine.  I might go look at the price, jus= t to scare myself. :-)

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------=_Part_1124838_128737904.1341950773158-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 20:39:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6040D183460; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 20:39:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 510361.32480.bm@omp1015.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1341952763; bh=8raoK/YRsjzWU9A7GsDyMu/LFG0ZgLeQ95zC5ndLqGE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kut2HRdk5GRa19iAgM6jOBM1Vowh8L/BohWQB8XPNJCJlpvVEEhSJksU/H17aUnwx9dqHA93q0ar94JQfWh3x7umUXNUr0kZFfEzAi5NNPMgFYW5d8qm4v/7m3Hnw8tjPKKu1qhKwnXY4PzCnlXfd9vzMSKnSftQRtG5GZ9KkFU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cXawtscpGFV/w1RTY/rc3f6q3QhfVRjAWC7dw8LXv3nZq4kVzYy5XQiGUpzcggNTz+ySCzq2m4+zXc8A7w61oosQ6eqPXW3ye4ID/+b5/wKkU9EZ6Fi8liCOz2+d4wHSGvAB3IbKmM+8I0unHf0hSWnj8ZcgvXhvFYlElQmDGjw=; X-YMail-OSG: IkILhp0VM1mcBzvXM0HK32r3T3PHldDzJCfVXaoEV93KEhj flA7sYqf9 X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: <1909209164.1103165.1341928420937.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1341952762.20391.YahooMailNeo@web160705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 13:39:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Reply-To: Paul Richards Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-630955406-1495365378-1341952762=:20391" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 20:39:24 +0000 (UTC) ---630955406-1495365378-1341952762=:20391 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Man, there's=A0 a lot of excellent TG albums: Optical Race, Logos, Underwat= er Sunlight, Le Parc, Live in Poland, Stratosphere, Sorcerer, et al are all= very good albums. =0A=A0=0AI was lucky to (by chance) be in San Francisco = around 1993 or so and TG was playing in Berkeley with Andy Summers (he just= released his first excellent solo New Agey album). TG put on an incredible= show then! They were originators in their time.=0A=A0=0APaul=0A=0A=0A_____= ___________________________=0AFrom: Matt Davignon = =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 = 1:23 PM=0ASubject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream=0A=0AI was just thinking this mo= rning about how Morton Subotnick (of=0A"Silver Apples of the Moon" fame, an= early synthesizer record) still=0Amanages to compose music that is fascina= ting without remaining stuck=0Ain an era. Yet some other composers (Aphex T= win, Klaus Schulze, etc)=0Abecame less interesting after a certain number o= f years. With the=0Alatter, the pattern I notice is that in later years the= y tried to=0Aadjust their music to match what's popular at the moment, whic= h of=0Acourse puts them in a field with a lot of competition.=0A=0AI'm not = too knowledgeable about Tangerine Dream's later music, but my=0Aimpression = from hearing a few samples is that they tailored some of=0Atheir music to a= general audience (seeking soundtrack & commercial=0Awork) instead of a spe= cialized audience (with the space music). At the=0Asame time, they updated = their technology from large bulky synths with=0Aa lot of personality to mor= e modern midi instrumentation (which in the=0A80s and 90s sounded rather st= erile).=0A=0AOn a related note, my radio show/podcast last week was a Space= theme=0Aagain: http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com/=0A=0A-- =0AMatt Davignon= =0Amattdavignon@gmail.com=0Ahttp://www.ribosomemusic.com/=0APodcast! http:/= /ribosomematt.podomatic.com=0A=0A=0AOn Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Christ= ophe wrote:=0A> Hi Matt,=0A>=0A> I'm a huge fan of t= he band throughout their career, but of course with a=0A> career 40+ years = long there are periods I love (the 70's=0A> Froese-Franke-Baumann era)=A0 a= nd some not so much (the Melrose period).=0A> Unfortunately, the 70's era w= ith those wonderful Moog sequences was not=0A> represented very much.=A0 Th= e sound and material was in line with what they've=0A> been doing in recent= years, and if you listen to any of the live recordings=0A> they've done ov= er the past few (Zeitgeist, London Eye, etc.) you've pretty=0A> much got th= e picture.=A0 Two 90 minute sets, mostly medleys, with parts=0A> representa= tive of different phases of the bands material scattered=0A> throughout.=A0= One unexpected treat was a version of the Doors, "The Crystal=0A> Ship", w= ith a vocal by Thorsten Queschning.=A0 Bernard Biebl on guitar was=0A> good= but=A0 maybe a bit too restrained.=A0 Iris Camaa on percussion was=0A> def= initely the most animated of the group and she added a lot of energy to=0A>= the performance.=0A>=0A> But alas, no long space odysseys. :-(=0A>=0A> TD = is a mature band (extremely!) so you really don't see a lot of evolution=0A= > in the sound in recent years, but that said they put on a totally satisfy= ing=0A> show.=A0 Definitely gave you your moneys worth for $46 for a front = row seat!=0A>=0A> Chris=0A>=0A> ________________________________=0A> From: = "Matt Davignon" =0A> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-de= light.com=0A> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 6:22:40 PM=0A>=0A> Subject: Re: OT= : Tangerine Dream=0A>=0A> So, what did you think? I'd love to hear Tangerin= e Dream do stuff like=0A> they did in the 70s and early 80s. Not so excited= about the idea of=0A> them playing their late 80s, 90s and 00s stuff. They= are playing in=0A> Napa, California this friday. Tickets are $40. If it wa= s in town, I'd=0A> certainly go to see them. However, wine country gigs are= often for=0A> bands that are way past their heyday.=0A>=0A> You'd think wi= th all the hip bands that sound like Tangerine Dream now=0A> (such as Oneoh= trix Point Never), that they could do well in a San=0A> Francisco or Oaklan= d venue....=0A>=0A> Matt=0A>=0A> ---630955406-1495365378-1341952762=:20391 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Man, there's  a lot of excellent TG = albums: Optical Race, Logos, Underwater Sunlight, Le Parc, Live in Poland, = Stratosphere, Sorcerer, et al are all very good albums.
 
I was lucky to (by chance) be in San Francisco a= round 1993 or so and TG was playing in Berkeley with Andy Summers (he just = released his first excellent solo New Agey album). TG put on an incredible = show then! They were originators in their time.
 
Paul

From:= Matt Davignon <mattdavignon@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com <= BR>Sent: Tuesday, July 10, = 2012 1:23 PM
Subject: Re= : OT: Tangerine Dream

I was just thinking this morning = about how Morton Subotnick (of
"Silver Apples of the Moon" fame, an earl= y synthesizer record) still
manages to compose music that is fascinating= without remaining stuck
in an era. Yet some other composers (Aphex Twin= , Klaus Schulze, etc)
became less interesting after a certain number of years. = With the
latter, the pattern I notice is that in later years they tried = to
adjust their music to match what's popular at the moment, which ofcourse puts them in a field with a lot of competition.

I'm not too = knowledgeable about Tangerine Dream's later music, but my
impression fro= m hearing a few samples is that they tailored some of
their music to a g= eneral audience (seeking soundtrack & commercial
work) instead of a = specialized audience (with the space music). At the
same time, they upda= ted their technology from large bulky synths with
a lot of personality t= o more modern midi instrumentation (which in the
80s and 90s sounded rat= her sterile).

On a related note, my radio show/podcast last week was= a Space theme
again: http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com/

--
M= att Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
http://www.ribosome= music.com/
Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com


On = Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Christophe <cburke55@comcast.net&= gt; wrote:
> Hi Matt,
>
> I'm a huge fan of the band thro= ughout their career, but of course with a
> career 40+ years long the= re are periods I love (the 70's
> Froese-Franke-Baumann era)  an= d some not so much (the Melrose period).
> Unfortunately, the 70's er= a with those wonderful Moog sequences was not
> represented very much= .  The sound and material was in line with what they've
> been d= oing in recent years, and if you listen to any of the live recordings
&g= t; they've done over the past few (Zeitgeist, London Eye, etc.) you've pretty
> much got the picture.  Two 90 minute sets, mostly medl= eys, with parts
> representative of different phases of the bands mat= erial scattered
> throughout.  One unexpected treat was a versio= n of the Doors, "The Crystal
> Ship", with a vocal by Thorsten Quesch= ning.  Bernard Biebl on guitar was
> good but  maybe a bit = too restrained.  Iris Camaa on percussion was
> definitely the m= ost animated of the group and she added a lot of energy to
> the perf= ormance.
>
> But alas, no long space odysseys. :-(
>
&= gt; TD is a mature band (extremely!) so you really don't see a lot of evolu= tion
> in the sound in recent years, but that said they put on a tota= lly satisfying
> show.  Definitely gave you your moneys worth fo= r $46 for a front row seat!
>
> Chris
>
> _________= _______________________
> From: "Matt Davignon" <mattdavignon@gmail.com>
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Sent: Monday, Jul= y 9, 2012 6:22:40 PM
>
> Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream
&g= t;
> So, what did you think? I'd love to hear Tangerine Dream do stuf= f like
> they did in the 70s and early 80s. Not so excited about the = idea of
> them playing their late 80s, 90s and 00s stuff. They are pl= aying in
> Napa, California this friday. Tickets are $40. If it was i= n town, I'd
> certainly go to see them. However, wine country gigs ar= e often for
> bands that are way past their heyday.
>
> Y= ou'd think with all the hip bands that sound like Tangerine Dream now
&g= t; (such as Oneohtrix Point Never), that they could do well in a San
>= ; Francisco or Oakland venue....
>
> Matt
>
>


---630955406-1495365378-1341952762=:20391-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 15:34:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06F8C183462; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 15:34:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=hBb7OEh+R1D281K47mvLcGVRc+o7ruFinpkEL/5JQxM= c=1 sm=2 a=agWTFdhlyG4A:10 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=OUXYneDTAAAA:8 a=o0ZD21Z9AAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=OT3O6O8lAAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=f5dnos9mqrtNOtbV67wA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=053Au2P4wpAA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=yVQtKsuJGXZp9fz1:21 a=tXk1CUxYyDO3h71E:21 a=6JOFkXUNmqj59Ny3BtwA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 X-Telus-Outbound-IP: 172.218.130.250 From: richard sales Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-788896658 Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 08:33:52 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <1909209164.1103165.1341928420937.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 15:34:04 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-788896658 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is a blast down memory lane! I saw Morton Subotnik in a tiny lecture hall at the University of = Maryland in 1968 I think it was. Fabulous! Maybe forty folks there. Then saw Tangerine Dream in (I'm guessing) around 1975. Was encouraged = to go by the folks in Happy The Man - still one of my most fave = progressive bands. =20 If I remember correctly, TG had these HUGE racks of computers. Like = towers maybe 8 or 9 feet tall. They could have been props.=20 ----- It's encouraging to hear, Matt, that Morton Subotnick is still being = creative. Very cool. I'll have to check it out. =20 richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.goodnaturefarms.com On Jul 10, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Matt Davignon wrote: > I was just thinking this morning about how Morton Subotnick (of > "Silver Apples of the Moon" fame, an early synthesizer record) still > manages to compose music that is fascinating without remaining stuck > in an era. Yet some other composers (Aphex Twin, Klaus Schulze, etc) > became less interesting after a certain number of years. With the > latter, the pattern I notice is that in later years they tried to > adjust their music to match what's popular at the moment, which of > course puts them in a field with a lot of competition. >=20 > I'm not too knowledgeable about Tangerine Dream's later music, but my > impression from hearing a few samples is that they tailored some of > their music to a general audience (seeking soundtrack & commercial > work) instead of a specialized audience (with the space music). At the > same time, they updated their technology from large bulky synths with > a lot of personality to more modern midi instrumentation (which in the > 80s and 90s sounded rather sterile). >=20 > On a related note, my radio show/podcast last week was a Space theme > again: http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com/ >=20 > --=20 > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Christophe = wrote: >> Hi Matt, >>=20 >> I'm a huge fan of the band throughout their career, but of course = with a >> career 40+ years long there are periods I love (the 70's >> Froese-Franke-Baumann era) and some not so much (the Melrose = period). >> Unfortunately, the 70's era with those wonderful Moog sequences was = not >> represented very much. The sound and material was in line with what = they've >> been doing in recent years, and if you listen to any of the live = recordings >> they've done over the past few (Zeitgeist, London Eye, etc.) you've = pretty >> much got the picture. Two 90 minute sets, mostly medleys, with parts >> representative of different phases of the bands material scattered >> throughout. One unexpected treat was a version of the Doors, "The = Crystal >> Ship", with a vocal by Thorsten Queschning. Bernard Biebl on guitar = was >> good but maybe a bit too restrained. Iris Camaa on percussion was >> definitely the most animated of the group and she added a lot of = energy to >> the performance. >>=20 >> But alas, no long space odysseys. :-( >>=20 >> TD is a mature band (extremely!) so you really don't see a lot of = evolution >> in the sound in recent years, but that said they put on a totally = satisfying >> show. Definitely gave you your moneys worth for $46 for a front row = seat! >>=20 >> Chris >>=20 >> ________________________________ >> From: "Matt Davignon" >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 6:22:40 PM >>=20 >> Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream >>=20 >> So, what did you think? I'd love to hear Tangerine Dream do stuff = like >> they did in the 70s and early 80s. Not so excited about the idea of >> them playing their late 80s, 90s and 00s stuff. They are playing in >> Napa, California this friday. Tickets are $40. If it was in town, I'd >> certainly go to see them. However, wine country gigs are often for >> bands that are way past their heyday. >>=20 >> You'd think with all the hip bands that sound like Tangerine Dream = now >> (such as Oneohtrix Point Never), that they could do well in a San >> Francisco or Oakland venue.... >>=20 >> Matt >>=20 >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-1-788896658 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii This = is a blast down memory lane!

= --Apple-Mail-1-788896658-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 16:00:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BACBD183463; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 16:00:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=u+uVVHKxsNLHPkbpD/9OHpBgUVYqV/rfHYpdLhv5gok=; b=LqBa1efyGhlIHbCjL90xtjtG661AZyuBzcUwg4uOmpkKPme6EMquzxzUyrs1sF8yPc 36DVNicS9/5qmz0q0OEJk1SbLLOQ9B9L+GKMXnyG7gE5ElqtsM7dtycrwKV/Kc7APIuv moWvddxUY+efIrCs5lzj8KX25WFaL1vodcKJo/TNWVV7hxbMA4sdrebEZSMUdQu9DSXt z40VIgek3n9/4rlVre8SDOCdVWUwkLJgyX3+DB6UiYEKLD9cqMOsqNZS4A2SKQacdUfN wyUzSCm/ejKc3rKh8a6aeBxGgfCUWazaKDaLfQ439iQ5DyzTJkR9nLxEe7q1mwn1xeF8 svoQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 12:00:20 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Recommendations for a new loop pedal... From: Siobahn Hotaling To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307d0386ac9c6904c48ff1b1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 16:00:21 +0000 (UTC) --20cf307d0386ac9c6904c48ff1b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi there - I've used an Akai Headrush E2 for a couple of years for basic live looping, but I'm looking to change my live setup in ways that the Akai can't support... I've pored over all of the specs of the various pedals out there and my head is spinning. Would anyone be willing to give their suggestion for what would be best for the following: - Background: I'm a singer/songwriter who primarily uses just an acoustic guitar as accompaniment (for now). - My biggest need: I want to be able to create drum loops prior to my shows to use as backup, so I can then access different pre-recorded loops easily (sometimes 2 or 3 different loops within a song) and turn each one on and off easily. I will also be doing some on-the-fly vocal looping that I will need to be able to store and turn on and off as well. Optimally, I want to do all of this using just foot switches. I was looking at the Digitech Jamman Stereo or the Delay, but I don't know if either one will absolutely do what I need, or if there is one that is better suited for that? If not, I am also open to getting an Ipad and going the software route, or setting up my Macbook Pro as well... Thanks so much for any suggestions anyone has for me! --20cf307d0386ac9c6904c48ff1b1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi there -

I've used an Akai Headrush E2 for a couple of years for= basic live looping, but I'm looking to change my live setup in ways th= at the Akai can't support...

I've pored over all of the specs of the various pedals = out there and my head is spinning. =A0Would anyone be willing to give their= suggestion for what would be best for the following:

- Background: I'm a singer/songwriter who primarily use= s just an acoustic guitar as accompaniment (for now).

- My biggest need: I want to be able to create drum loops p= rior to my shows to use as backup, so I can then access different pre-recor= ded loops easily (sometimes 2 or 3 different loops within a song) and turn = each one on and off easily. =A0I will also be doing some on-the-fly vocal l= ooping that I will need to be able to store and turn on and off as well. = =A0Optimally, I want to do all of this using just foot switches.

I was looking at the Digitech Jamman Stereo or the Delay, b= ut I don't know if either one will absolutely do what I need, or if the= re is one that is better suited for that?

If not, I am also open to getting an Ipad and going the sof= tware route, or setting up my Macbook Pro as well...

Thanks so much for any suggestions anyone has for me!

--20cf307d0386ac9c6904c48ff1b1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 16:20:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C26E18345B; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 16:20:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :x-priority:x-msmail-priority:importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=tjHitnrmvsiMwtHDqQyHfUPT4QeaOZ8ETEpVRzKg4sw=; b=M0jbuuEtz7Ulsx/5rsEp9o8EEtvlzoZfkH2dC9y8Y9DTAYvVsGmvkXn7kzKfzcQ0MZ Bh4w5chDRhGU6vHjz1WfS88w4msylOO5kN3pO0xJ4mckin32+vNc5zM1fdMRuShPMtVP AEzYIndz+sYtONPtPxsXZ2vqPFqPPQfxaJb+mrrOl1bVce5RpylHvxZNOD3s9s0WnZrU WRcG+VKjIp1tidAd8sE7hYVvXVqWcb9Lyx1O0EeirnCE3WG+ZQiY99EQBf4O8qerPYGR ChR/HUDCX0vsAicB0fM29baxCi9t2pFJ+5a+PXUm0Pe2uEb0soRUIDopLN9o0wdLuJLA zGvg== Message-ID: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Help with Ableston Live Recorded Clip Editing, Looping, etc Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 10:20:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01CD5F4E.CA5E7C10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 16:20:31 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01CD5F4E.CA5E7C10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Would anyone be willing to jump on Mac iChat with me in the next week or = so, share desktops, and give me a few tips on recording clips in Live, = editing them for Loop playback, warping, setting BPM, etc? Send me a private email if you are game. krispen.hartung@gmail.com ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01CD5F4E.CA5E7C10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Would anyone be willing to jump on Mac iChat with me in the next = week or=20 so, share desktops, and give me a few tips on recording clips in Live, = editing=20 them for Loop playback, warping, setting BPM, etc?
Send me a private email if you are game.  krispen.hartung@gmail.com
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0029_01CD5F4E.CA5E7C10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 17:56:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3C6418345C; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:56:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=O9yNwKDXav30IY5b1M+pkSo74v8+wMGStd+0UCRiDDA=; b=htrHeNFbfib1/W+QlcyPIWQ2Xr6HNslJAwihEcH1vp49/PttuVNG9CeOoD2pq6/mLO VtGS8BUjElHme5v2yaqNUCE/55pImXfFaTuPViUsh9q7XyxQV57PNG+wRU0zITXD5Gh3 SF1zty+MzqeldQszCct15Iv8frMy5qpMBjfGQgTYfwRZG0YEn+4tgYX/iIjq2UYXLbNt SbRlxP+ixOVImNG5qedU4qtAC/uYlH98xhxn1lGmST7w+fi/4WL1FQRmtTAoN0oHXNgl yZOcbs5nyeY49NhANEiEQpNJo3qsPaZeDfkrdYWi1BOA0PchEl3mGpW6PCHKzg29FgQe vS0w== Subject: Re: Recommendations for a new loop pedal... References: From: F_Anile Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-04AFE367-6FA1-43C6-9C9A-3576F5B578B6 X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B176) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <838E6048-6502-477D-8629-13EC399E6F7A@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 19:56:30 +0200 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:56:32 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-04AFE367-6FA1-43C6-9C9A-3576F5B578B6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Siobahn, My advice is: set up your macbook pro and go for Mobius software. Based on the EDP architecture it has 8 stereo looping tracks (that you can e= asily mute and trigger on the fly) plus many many useful options (track and M= IDI configurations and scripts, to name a few). Il giorno 11/lug/2012, alle ore 18:00, Siobahn Hotaling = ha scritto: > Hi there - >=20 > I've used an Akai Headrush E2 for a couple of years for basic live looping= , but I'm looking to change my live setup in ways that the Akai can't suppor= t... >=20 > I've pored over all of the specs of the various pedals out there and my he= ad is spinning. Would anyone be willing to give their suggestion for what w= ould be best for the following: >=20 > - Background: I'm a singer/songwriter who primarily uses just an acoustic g= uitar as accompaniment (for now). >=20 > - My biggest need: I want to be able to create drum loops prior to my show= s to use as backup, so I can then access different pre-recorded loops easily= (sometimes 2 or 3 different loops within a song) and turn each one on and o= ff easily. I will also be doing some on-the-fly vocal looping that I will n= eed to be able to store and turn on and off as well. Optimally, I want to d= o all of this using just foot switches. >=20 > I was looking at the Digitech Jamman Stereo or the Delay, but I don't know= if either one will absolutely do what I need, or if there is one that is be= tter suited for that? >=20 > If not, I am also open to getting an Ipad and going the software route, or= setting up my Macbook Pro as well... >=20 > Thanks so much for any suggestions anyone has for me! --Apple-Mail-04AFE367-6FA1-43C6-9C9A-3576F5B578B6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Hi Siobahn,
My advice is: set up your macbook pro and go for Mobius software.
Based on the EDP architecture it has 8 stereo looping tracks (that you can easily mute and trigger on the fly) plus many many useful options (track and MIDI configurations and scripts, to name a few).



Il giorno 11/lug/2012, alle ore 18:00, Siobahn Hotaling <boing187@gmail.com> ha scritto:

Hi there -

I've used an Akai Headrush E2 for a couple of years for basic live looping, but I'm looking to change my live setup in ways that the Akai can't support...

I've pored over all of the specs of the various pedals out there and my head is spinning.  Would anyone be willing to give their suggestion for what would be best for the following:

- Background: I'm a singer/songwriter who primarily uses just an acoustic guitar as accompaniment (for now).

- My biggest need: I want to be able to create drum loops prior to my shows to use as backup, so I can then access different pre-recorded loops easily (sometimes 2 or 3 different loops within a song) and turn each one on and off easily.  I will also be doing some on-the-fly vocal looping that I will need to be able to store and turn on and off as well.  Optimally, I want to do all of this using just foot switches.

I was looking at the Digitech Jamman Stereo or the Delay, but I don't know if either one will absolutely do what I need, or if there is one that is better suited for that?

If not, I am also open to getting an Ipad and going the software route, or setting up my Macbook Pro as well...

Thanks so much for any suggestions anyone has for me!

--Apple-Mail-04AFE367-6FA1-43C6-9C9A-3576F5B578B6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 18:22:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BA1D183461; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 18:22:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <1909209164.1103165.1341928420937.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-799026965 Message-Id: <713DEE81-DFE8-4C0F-BFCA-99CAA0EC255E@ubergadget.com> From: Revfever Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 11:22:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 18:22:49 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5-799026965 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Jul 11, 2012, at 8:33 AM, richard sales wrote: > 1975. If I remember correctly, TG had these HUGE racks of > computers. Like towers maybe 8 or 9 feet tall. They could have > been props. Those were their early Moog (and?) modular synths and not computers. They also certainly were not "props". :-) But, just the thought of being able to experience numerous large Moog modular synths live and LOUD makes me swoon with delight! And, LUCKY YOU that you got to see / hear them in THAT era! The earliest and only time I ever got to experience TD live was in the *very early* 80s (1982? 83?), but it was still very kool and it was a FREE show and OUTDOORS at an amphitheater! But, as I recall, there were not many of those modulars still being used, if any, but I could be wrong. This was many years ago, so...:-) Andy Summers (The Police) opened for them, but he seemed to be having a "bad day" judging from his "attitude" on stage. But, at least he still played well enough. It was a pleasant late afternoon in Dallas TX of all places. (But I got the hell out of that city over 20 years ago and migrated to the wonderful PNW!) > ----- > It's encouraging to hear, Matt, that Morton Subotnick is still > being creative. Very cool. I'll have to check it out. Good news, indeed! Cheers- Rev.Fever Portlandia http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult > >> I was just thinking this morning about how Morton Subotnick (of >> "Silver Apples of the Moon" fame, an early synthesizer record) still >> manages to compose music that is fascinating without remaining stuck >> in an era. Yet some other composers (Aphex Twin, Klaus Schulze, etc) >> became less interesting after a certain number of years. With the >> latter, the pattern I notice is that in later years they tried to >> adjust their music to match what's popular at the moment, which of >> course puts them in a field with a lot of competition. >> >> I'm not too knowledgeable about Tangerine Dream's later music, but my >> impression from hearing a few samples is that they tailored some of >> their music to a general audience (seeking soundtrack & commercial >> work) instead of a specialized audience (with the space music). At >> the >> same time, they updated their technology from large bulky synths with >> a lot of personality to more modern midi instrumentation (which in >> the >> 80s and 90s sounded rather sterile). >> >> On a related note, my radio show/podcast last week was a Space theme >> again: http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com/ >> >> -- >> Matt Davignon >> mattdavignon@gmail.com >> www.ribosomemusic.com >> Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Christophe >> wrote: >>> Hi Matt, >>> >>> I'm a huge fan of the band throughout their career, but of course >>> with a >>> career 40+ years long there are periods I love (the 70's >>> Froese-Franke-Baumann era) and some not so much (the Melrose >>> period). >>> Unfortunately, the 70's era with those wonderful Moog sequences >>> was not >>> represented very much. The sound and material was in line with >>> what they've >>> been doing in recent years, and if you listen to any of the live >>> recordings >>> they've done over the past few (Zeitgeist, London Eye, etc.) >>> you've pretty >>> much got the picture. Two 90 minute sets, mostly medleys, with >>> parts >>> representative of different phases of the bands material scattered >>> throughout. One unexpected treat was a version of the Doors, >>> "The Crystal >>> Ship", with a vocal by Thorsten Queschning. Bernard Biebl on >>> guitar was >>> good but maybe a bit too restrained. Iris Camaa on percussion was >>> definitely the most animated of the group and she added a lot of >>> energy to >>> the performance. >>> >>> But alas, no long space odysseys. :-( >>> >>> TD is a mature band (extremely!) so you really don't see a lot of >>> evolution >>> in the sound in recent years, but that said they put on a totally >>> satisfying >>> show. Definitely gave you your moneys worth for $46 for a front >>> row seat! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: "Matt Davignon" >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 6:22:40 PM >>> >>> Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream >>> >>> So, what did you think? I'd love to hear Tangerine Dream do stuff >>> like >>> they did in the 70s and early 80s. Not so excited about the idea of >>> them playing their late 80s, 90s and 00s stuff. They are playing in >>> Napa, California this friday. Tickets are $40. If it was in town, >>> I'd >>> certainly go to see them. However, wine country gigs are often for >>> bands that are way past their heyday. >>> >>> You'd think with all the hip bands that sound like Tangerine >>> Dream now >>> (such as Oneohtrix Point Never), that they could do well in a San >>> Francisco or Oakland venue.... >>> >>> Matt >>> >>> >> > --Apple-Mail-5-799026965 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
On Jul 11, 2012, at = 8:33 AM, richard sales wrote:

1975. If I remember correctly, TG had these HUGE = racks of computers.  Like towers maybe 8 or 9 feet tall.  They = could have been = props. 

Those were their = early Moog (and?) modular synths and not computers. They also certainly = were not "props". :-) But, just the thought of
being able to = experience numerous large Moog modular synths live and LOUD makes me = swoon with delight!

And, LUCKY YOU that you got = to see / hear them in THAT era!  The earliest and only time I ever = got to experience TD live was in the 
*very early* 80s = (1982? 83?), but it was still very kool and it was a FREE show and = OUTDOORS at an amphitheater!  But, as I recall,
there = were not many of those modulars still being used, if any, but I could be = wrong. This was many years ago, so...:-)

Andy = Summers (The Police) opened for them, but he seemed to be having a = "bad day" judging from his "attitude" on = stage. 
But, at least he still played well = enough. It was a pleasant late afternoon in Dallas TX of all = places. 
(But I got the hell out of that city over 20 = years ago and migrated to the wonderful = PNW!)

-----
It's encouraging to hear, Matt, = that Morton Subotnick is still being creative.  Very cool. I'll = have to check it out.  

Good = news, indeed! 


I was just thinking this morning about how Morton = Subotnick (of
"Silver Apples of the Moon" fame, an early synthesizer = record) still
manages to compose music that is fascinating without = remaining stuck
in an era. Yet some other composers (Aphex Twin, = Klaus Schulze, etc)
became less interesting after a certain number of = years. With the
latter, the pattern I notice is that in later years = they tried to
adjust their music to match what's popular at the = moment, which of
course puts them in a field with a lot of = competition.

I'm not too knowledgeable about Tangerine Dream's = later music, but my
impression from hearing a few samples is that = they tailored some of
their music to a general audience (seeking = soundtrack & commercial
work) instead of a specialized audience = (with the space music). At the
same time, they updated their = technology from large bulky synths with
a lot of personality to more = modern midi instrumentation (which in the
80s and 90s sounded rather = sterile).

On a related note, my radio show/podcast last week was = a Space theme
again: http://ribosomematt.podomatic.= com/

--
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.r= ibosomemusic.com
Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.c= om


On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Christophe <cburke55@comcast.net> = wrote:
Hi Matt,

I'm a huge fan = of the band throughout their career, but of course with = a
career 40+ years long there = are periods I love (the 70's
Froese-Franke-Baumann era)  and some not so much (the = Melrose period).
Unfortunately, = the 70's era with those wonderful Moog sequences was = not
represented very much. =  The sound and material was in line with what = they've
been doing in recent = years, and if you listen to any of the live = recordings
they've done over = the past few (Zeitgeist, London Eye, etc.) you've = pretty
much got the picture. =  Two 90 minute sets, mostly medleys, with = parts
representative of = different phases of the bands material = scattered
throughout. =  One unexpected treat was a version of the Doors, "The = Crystal
Ship", with a vocal by = Thorsten Queschning.  Bernard Biebl on guitar = was
good but  maybe a bit = too restrained.  Iris Camaa on percussion = was
definitely the most = animated of the group and she added a lot of energy = to
the = performance.

But alas, no = long space odysseys. :-(

TD is a mature = band (extremely!) so you really don't see a lot of = evolution
in the sound in = recent years, but that said they put on a totally = satisfying
show. =  Definitely gave you your moneys worth for $46 for a front row = seat!

Chris

________________________________
From: "Matt Davignon" <mattdavignon@gmail.com>
<= /blockquote>
To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
Sent: = Monday, July 9, 2012 6:22:40 PM

Subject: Re: = OT: Tangerine Dream

So, what did = you think? I'd love to hear Tangerine Dream do stuff = like
they did in the 70s and = early 80s. Not so excited about the idea of
them playing their late 80s, 90s and 00s stuff. They are = playing in
Napa, California = this friday. Tickets are $40. If it was in town, = I'd
certainly go to see them. = However, wine country gigs are often for
bands that are way past their = heyday.

You'd think = with all the hip bands that sound like Tangerine Dream = now
(such as Oneohtrix Point = Never), that they could do well in a San
Francisco or Oakland venue....

Matt





= --Apple-Mail-5-799026965-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 18:46:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6E1D183461; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 18:46:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_fb4cd4ed-36ed-4cef-a937-5e035725dd6e_" X-Originating-IP: [86.153.221.83] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: OT: Tangerine Dream Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 18:46:44 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <713DEE81-DFE8-4C0F-BFCA-99CAA0EC255E@ubergadget.com> References: <1909209164.1103165.1341928420937.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> ,<713DEE81-DFE8-4C0F-BFCA-99CAA0EC255E@ubergadget.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2012 18:46:45.0523 (UTC) FILETIME=[8553A630:01CD5F95] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 18:46:47 +0000 (UTC) --_fb4cd4ed-36ed-4cef-a937-5e035725dd6e_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I saw them on the 10th of November 1976. I was so looking forward to seeing= them but absolutely hated the gig - maybe just an off day... What a pity! Peace g Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk From: revfever@ubergadget.com Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream Date: Wed=2C 11 Jul 2012 11:22:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com On Jul 11=2C 2012=2C at 8:33 AM=2C richard sales wrote:1975. If I remember = correctly=2C TG had these HUGE racks of computers. Like towers maybe 8 or = 9 feet tall. They could have been props.=20 Those were their early Moog (and?) modular synths and not computers. They a= lso certainly were not "props". :-) But=2C just the thought ofbeing able to= experience numerous large Moog modular synths live and LOUD makes me swoon= with delight! And=2C LUCKY YOU that you got to see / hear them in THAT era! The earliest= and only time I ever got to experience TD live was in the *very early* 80s= (1982? 83?)=2C but it was still very kool and it was a FREE show and OUTDO= ORS at an amphitheater! But=2C as I recall=2Cthere were not many of those = modulars still being used=2C if any=2C but I could be wrong. This was many = years ago=2C so...:-) Andy Summers (The Police) opened for them=2C but he seemed to be having a "= bad day" judging from his "attitude" on stage. But=2C at least he still pla= yed well enough. It was a pleasant late afternoon in Dallas TX of all place= s. (But I got the hell out of that city over 20 years ago and migrated to t= he wonderful PNW!) -----It's encouraging to hear=2C Matt=2C that Morton Subotnick is still bei= ng creative. Very cool. I'll have to check it out. =20 Good news=2C indeed!=20 Cheers-Rev.FeverPortlandiahttp://www.spiritone.com/~rvfeverhttp://www.cdbab= y.com/cd/elemental1http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2http://www.cdbaby.com= /cd/skult I was just thinking this morning about how Morton Subotnick (of "Silver Apples of the Moon" fame=2C an early synthesizer record) still manages to compose music that is fascinating without remaining stuck in an era. Yet some other composers (Aphex Twin=2C Klaus Schulze=2C etc) became less interesting after a certain number of years. With the latter=2C the pattern I notice is that in later years they tried to adjust their music to match what's popular at the moment=2C which of course puts them in a field with a lot of competition. I'm not too knowledgeable about Tangerine Dream's later music=2C but my impression from hearing a few samples is that they tailored some of their music to a general audience (seeking soundtrack & commercial work) instead of a specialized audience (with the space music). At the same time=2C they updated their technology from large bulky synths with a lot of personality to more modern midi instrumentation (which in the 80s and 90s sounded rather sterile). On a related note=2C my radio show/podcast last week was a Space theme again: http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com/ --=20 Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com On Tue=2C Jul 10=2C 2012 at 6:53 AM=2C Christophe wr= ote: Hi Matt=2C I'm a huge fan of the band throughout their career=2C but of course with a career 40+ years long there are periods I love (the 70's Froese-Franke-Baumann era) and some not so much (the Melrose period). Unfortunately=2C the 70's era with those wonderful Moog sequences was not represented very much. The sound and material was in line with what they'v= e been doing in recent years=2C and if you listen to any of the live recordin= gs they've done over the past few (Zeitgeist=2C London Eye=2C etc.) you've pre= tty much got the picture. Two 90 minute sets=2C mostly medleys=2C with parts representative of different phases of the bands material scattered throughout. One unexpected treat was a version of the Doors=2C "The Crysta= l Ship"=2C with a vocal by Thorsten Queschning. Bernard Biebl on guitar was good but maybe a bit too restrained. Iris Camaa on percussion was definitely the most animated of the group and she added a lot of energy to the performance. But alas=2C no long space odysseys. :-( TD is a mature band (extremely!) so you really don't see a lot of evolution in the sound in recent years=2C but that said they put on a totally satisfy= ing show. Definitely gave you your moneys worth for $46 for a front row seat! Chris ________________________________ From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Monday=2C July 9=2C 2012 6:22:40 PM Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream So=2C what did you think? I'd love to hear Tangerine Dream do stuff like they did in the 70s and early 80s. Not so excited about the idea of them playing their late 80s=2C 90s and 00s stuff. They are playing in Napa=2C California this friday. Tickets are $40. If it was in town=2C I'd certainly go to see them. However=2C wine country gigs are often for bands that are way past their heyday. You'd think with all the hip bands that sound like Tangerine Dream now (such as Oneohtrix Point Never)=2C that they could do well in a San Francisco or Oakland venue.... Matt = --_fb4cd4ed-36ed-4cef-a937-5e035725dd6e_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I saw them on the 10th of November 1976= . I was so looking forward to seeing them but absolutely hated the gig - ma= ybe just an off day... What a pity!

Peace

g

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

Fro= m: revfever@ubergadget.com
Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream
Date: Wed= =2C 11 Jul 2012 11:22:43 -0700
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
On Jul 11=2C 2012=2C at 8:33 AM=2C richard sales wrote:
1975. If= I remember correctly=2C TG had these HUGE racks of computers.  =3BLike= towers maybe 8 or 9 feet tall.  =3BThey could have been props. =3B=

Those were their early Moog (and?) = modular synths and not computers. They also certainly were not "props". :-)= But=2C just the thought of
being able to experience numerous lar= ge Moog modular synths live and LOUD makes me swoon with delight!

And=2C LUCKY YOU that you got to see / hear them in THAT er= a!  =3BThe earliest and only time I ever got to experience TD live was = in the =3B
*very early* 80s (1982? 83?)=2C =3Bbut it was = still very kool and it was a FREE show and OUTDOORS at an amphitheater! &nb= sp=3BBut=2C as I recall=2C
there were not many of those modulars = still being used=2C if any=2C but I could be wrong. This was many years ago= =2C so...:-)

Andy Summers (The Police) opened for = them=2C but he seemed to =3Bbe having a "bad day" =3Bjudging from h= is "attitude" on stage. =3B
But=2C at least he still played w= ell enough. =3BIt was a pleasant late afternoon in Dallas TX of all pla= ces. =3B
(But I got the hell out of that city over 20 years a= go and migrated to the wonderful PNW!)

-----
It's encouraging to hear=2C Matt=2C that Morton = Subotnick is still being creative.  =3BVery cool. I'll have to check it= out.  =3B

Good news=2C indeed!&= nbsp=3B

Cheers-
=

I was just thinking this morning about how = Morton Subotnick (of
"Silver Apples of the Moon" fame=2C an early synthe= sizer record) still
manages to compose music that is fascinating without= remaining stuck
in an era. Yet some other composers (Aphex Twin=2C Klau= s Schulze=2C etc)
became less interesting after a certain number of year= s. With the
latter=2C the pattern I notice is that in later years they t= ried to
adjust their music to match what's popular at the moment=2C whic= h of
course puts them in a field with a lot of competition.

I'm n= ot too knowledgeable about Tangerine Dream's later music=2C but my
impre= ssion from hearing a few samples is that they tailored some of
their mus= ic to a general audience (seeking soundtrack &=3B commercial
work) in= stead of a specialized audience (with the space music). At the
same time= =2C they updated their technology from large bulky synths with
a lot of = personality to more modern midi instrumentation (which in the
80s and 90= s sounded rather sterile).

On a related note=2C my radio show/podcas= t last week was a Space theme
again: http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com/
--
Matt Davignon
mattdavi= gnon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusic.com
Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.= com


On Tue=2C Jul 10=2C 2012 at 6:53 AM=2C Christophe <=3B= cburke55@comcast.net>=3B wrot= e:
Hi Matt=2C

<= blockquote>I'm a huge fan of the band throughout their career=2C but of cou= rse with a
career 40+ years long there are peri= ods I love (the 70's
Froese-Franke-Baumann era)=  =3Band some not so much (the Melrose period).
Unfortunately=2C the 70's era with those wonderful Moog sequences was = not
represented very much.  =3BThe sound an= d material was in line with what they've
been d= oing in recent years=2C and if you listen to any of the live recordings
=
they've done over the past few (Zeitgeist=2C Londo= n Eye=2C etc.) you've pretty
much got the pictu= re.  =3BTwo 90 minute sets=2C mostly medleys=2C with parts
representative of different phases of the bands material sc= attered
throughout.  =3BOne unexpected trea= t was a version of the Doors=2C "The Crystal
Sh= ip"=2C with a vocal by Thorsten Queschning.  =3BBernard Biebl on guitar= was
good but  =3Bmaybe a bit too restraine= d.  =3BIris Camaa on percussion was
definit= ely the most animated of the group and she added a lot of energy to
the performance.

But alas=2C no long space odysseys. :-(

TD is a mature band (extremely!) = so you really don't see a lot of evolution
in t= he sound in recent years=2C but that said they put on a totally satisfying<= br>
show.  =3BDefinitely gave you your moneys w= orth for $46 for a front row seat!

Chris

________________________________
From: "Ma= tt Davignon" <=3Bmattdavignon@g= mail.com>=3B
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
<= /blockquote>
Sent: Monday=2C July 9=2C 2012 6:22:40 PM

Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine = Dream

So=2C what d= id you think? I'd love to hear Tangerine Dream do stuff like
they did in the 70s and early 80s. Not so excited about the i= dea of
them playing their late 80s=2C 90s and 0= 0s stuff. They are playing in
Napa=2C Californi= a this friday. Tickets are $40. If it was in town=2C I'd
certainly go to see them. However=2C wine country gigs are often = for
bands that are way past their heyday.

You'd think with all th= e hip bands that sound like Tangerine Dream now
(such as Oneohtrix Point Never)=2C that they could do well in a San
Francisco or Oakland venue....

Matt





= --_fb4cd4ed-36ed-4cef-a937-5e035725dd6e_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 20:53:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF9C9183463; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 20:53:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=4b/zce1Pdy90BzrHMtfzV+m4s/39oIgcBdi3GKEWAzs=; b=VRGGrBmJ27KhtUCv4atbdrO7Zbvhicy1dgjTVe8/F8u2mwxbfuPPllbf2FRb5C8hzR Ry+YO9xgl5ohwGfVQEVbCLCz8OQdZJouvI4umDfjo2dZAAJkEnzD2qFGmdHhUNJlsiSr djDasndBC5N9dcgsz0yenpxbzYoDonhfSHDmDV4zpr+fNF/fC0XeAyFWGnq6BenTQd1k QpvZ1bu8L7lCTvplUormk0cpJNngufZFAo9cxO1DVMiBNQ8pp/oGQWqZqroIk8cb44X5 F9GfxJ4keS8bSS6b0R65TgplrNbGCKj0+O7qNH0XY4uqrvoW8ctSsOtxmuxgj4jE9dVC toQw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <838E6048-6502-477D-8629-13EC399E6F7A@gmail.com> References: <838E6048-6502-477D-8629-13EC399E6F7A@gmail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 22:52:59 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: pZ4_R8nwxbRUJ1U-WKpFf2z4Ypw Message-ID: Subject: Re: Recommendations for a new loop pedal... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba5bb94773c04a04c494093f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 20:53:20 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba5bb94773c04a04c494093f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I dont think that Mobius alone will do it for you Siobahn, as you have this pre-recorded loops thing... It might be that in software, Abelton Live might be the best option, if rather like hitting a nut with a sledgehammer. Weirdly, your requirements, although totally obvious and sensible for a VAST amount of singer songwriters, are oddly absent from most loopers. If you find that the internal looper of Live is not good enough, it probably is for verse chorus kind of stuff, THEN you can always plug in Mobius and use that for your looping. But this is all gonna be alot of setting up and fiddling... I CERTAINLY concur with Fabio, that if you have a MBP, well theres nothing to stop you d/ling Mobius right now and giving it a go.. go on! what are you waiting for!! If I was you, however, I would investigate the possibility of using 2 bits of hardware, maybe a drum machine for the beats synched to the looper that most fits your needs. I can recommend the Korg Electribe ESX1 for drum-machine, its kind of a sampler too, so you can use "real drum" loops as well if you like... a bunch of instruments and effects... a tad too techno and dance right out of the box, but you don't have to program it like that... As for looper, well you probably know yourself better than me, Boss rc50??? the new Vox one? The Boomerang? Im not sure which is best for songs... good luck Mark On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 7:56 PM, F_Anile wrote: > Hi Siobahn, > My advice is: set up your macbook pro and go for Mobius software. > Based on the EDP architecture it has 8 stereo looping tracks (that you can > easily mute and trigger on the fly) plus many many useful options (track > and MIDI configurations and scripts, to name a few). > > > > Il giorno 11/lug/2012, alle ore 18:00, Siobahn Hotaling < > boing187@gmail.com> ha scritto: > > Hi there - > > I've used an Akai Headrush E2 for a couple of years for basic live > looping, but I'm looking to change my live setup in ways that the Akai > can't support... > > I've pored over all of the specs of the various pedals out there and my > head is spinning. Would anyone be willing to give their suggestion for > what would be best for the following: > > - Background: I'm a singer/songwriter who primarily uses just an acoustic > guitar as accompaniment (for now). > > - My biggest need: I want to be able to create drum loops prior to my > shows to use as backup, so I can then access different pre-recorded loops > easily (sometimes 2 or 3 different loops within a song) and turn each one > on and off easily. I will also be doing some on-the-fly vocal looping that > I will need to be able to store and turn on and off as well. Optimally, I > want to do all of this using just foot switches. > > I was looking at the Digitech Jamman Stereo or the Delay, but I don't know > if either one will absolutely do what I need, or if there is one that is > better suited for that? > > If not, I am also open to getting an Ipad and going the software route, or > setting up my Macbook Pro as well... > > Thanks so much for any suggestions anyone has for me! > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --90e6ba5bb94773c04a04c494093f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I dont think that Mobius alone will do it for you Siobahn, as you have this= pre-recorded loops thing...
It might be that in software, Abelton Live= might be the best option, if rather like hitting a nut with a sledgehammer= . Weirdly, your requirements, although totally obvious and sensible for a V= AST amount of singer songwriters, are oddly absent from most loopers.
If you find that the internal looper of Live is not good enough, it probabl= y is for verse chorus kind of stuff, THEN you can always plug in Mobius and= use that for your looping. But this is all gonna be alot of setting up and= fiddling...

I CERTAINLY concur with Fabio, that if you have a MBP, well theres noth= ing to stop you d/ling Mobius right now and giving it a go.. go on! what ar= e you waiting for!!

If I was you, however,=A0 I would investigate t= he possibility of using 2 bits of hardware, maybe a drum machine for the be= ats synched to the looper that most fits your needs. I can recommend the Ko= rg Electribe ESX1 for drum-machine, its kind of a sampler too, so you can u= se "real drum" loops as well if you like... a bunch of instrument= s and effects... a tad too techno and dance right out of the box, but you d= on't have to program it like that...
As for looper, well you probably know yourself better than me, Boss rc50???= the new Vox one? The Boomerang? Im not sure which is best for songs...
=
good luck

Mark


On Wed, Jul= 11, 2012 at 7:56 PM, F_Anile <eterogenus@gmail.com> wrot= e:
Hi Siobahn,
My advice is: set up your macbook pro and go for Mobius softw= are.
Based on the EDP architecture it has 8 stereo looping tracks (that you= can easily mute and trigger on the fly) plus many many useful options (tra= ck and MIDI configurations and scripts, to name a few).



Il giorno 11/lug/2012, alle ore 18:00, Siobahn Hotaling <= boing187@gmail.com<= /a>> ha scritto:




--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--90e6ba5bb94773c04a04c494093f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 21:08:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F21D18345D; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:08:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=DcTpZHWyXMGN6ldZbMvgSjdv/F9yiFW3G3EB9EYWEEw=; b=y/9F2hgO0M6W4tB1ZaR8dCvLasJzpBdhHYbsLOZpCLKYrL4bVzZZd+F3hvJ7/shd7/ +HZmlrzpNcEqerCw02lq7MaFGkb//z61kK1+/WOGKI5O9f6W4AONtBNKWFndZXQ60jU1 oyV22+cBV/rhPos1xGvSUGdrHXcpHLhWZRmeieUVXeJSw5tMUqcVcAK0S0367k7yJhVX +fhewUomsQQj0tuegNs+ROUUOsSLo6SSXJVq0GYh+RloMWjgk4Hi8axyzvxVQNoaQI1C W7xZ56f+dv2YNE4kVoxkYjGW7y46QBb3+o/oJXvhkVRYn3QRnGrc0/qf8OMr9aGRSnwC s+Bg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <838E6048-6502-477D-8629-13EC399E6F7A@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 14:08:47 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Recommendations for a new loop pedal... From: Phil Clevenger To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6dbe7fdc91d8f04c49440c5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:08:49 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6dbe7fdc91d8f04c49440c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I think Randolf Arriola does a fair amount of song-structured stuff very successfully, currently he uses a Boomerang, and think in the past he used one of the big Boss Loopstation products... may want look into his stuff (check YouTube) and maybe inquire with him? On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 1:52 PM, mark francombe wrote: > I dont think that Mobius alone will do it for you Siobahn, as you have > this pre-recorded loops thing... > It might be that in software, Abelton Live might be the best option, if > rather like hitting a nut with a sledgehammer. Weirdly, your requirements, > although totally obvious and sensible for a VAST amount of singer > songwriters, are oddly absent from most loopers. > If you find that the internal looper of Live is not good enough, it > probably is for verse chorus kind of stuff, THEN you can always plug in > Mobius and use that for your looping. But this is all gonna be alot of > setting up and fiddling... > > I CERTAINLY concur with Fabio, that if you have a MBP, well theres nothing > to stop you d/ling Mobius right now and giving it a go.. go on! what are > you waiting for!! > > If I was you, however, I would investigate the possibility of using 2 > bits of hardware, maybe a drum machine for the beats synched to the looper > that most fits your needs. I can recommend the Korg Electribe ESX1 for > drum-machine, its kind of a sampler too, so you can use "real drum" loops > as well if you like... a bunch of instruments and effects... a tad too > techno and dance right out of the box, but you don't have to program it > like that... > As for looper, well you probably know yourself better than me, Boss > rc50??? the new Vox one? The Boomerang? Im not sure which is best for > songs... > > good luck > > Mark > > > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 7:56 PM, F_Anile wrote: > >> Hi Siobahn, >> My advice is: set up your macbook pro and go for Mobius software. >> Based on the EDP architecture it has 8 stereo looping tracks (that you >> can easily mute and trigger on the fly) plus many many useful options >> (track and MIDI configurations and scripts, to name a few). >> >> >> >> Il giorno 11/lug/2012, alle ore 18:00, Siobahn Hotaling < >> boing187@gmail.com> ha scritto: >> >> Hi there - >> >> I've used an Akai Headrush E2 for a couple of years for basic live >> looping, but I'm looking to change my live setup in ways that the Akai >> can't support... >> >> I've pored over all of the specs of the various pedals out there and my >> head is spinning. Would anyone be willing to give their suggestion for >> what would be best for the following: >> >> - Background: I'm a singer/songwriter who primarily uses just an acoustic >> guitar as accompaniment (for now). >> >> - My biggest need: I want to be able to create drum loops prior to my >> shows to use as backup, so I can then access different pre-recorded loops >> easily (sometimes 2 or 3 different loops within a song) and turn each one >> on and off easily. I will also be doing some on-the-fly vocal looping that >> I will need to be able to store and turn on and off as well. Optimally, I >> want to do all of this using just foot switches. >> >> I was looking at the Digitech Jamman Stereo or the Delay, but I don't >> know if either one will absolutely do what I need, or if there is one that >> is better suited for that? >> >> If not, I am also open to getting an Ipad and going the software route, >> or setting up my Macbook Pro as well... >> >> Thanks so much for any suggestions anyone has for me! >> >> > > > -- > *Mark Francombe* > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > --0016e6dbe7fdc91d8f04c49440c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think Randolf Arriola does a fair amount of song-structured stuff very su= ccessfully, currently he uses a Boomerang, and =A0think in the past he used= one of the big Boss Loopstation products... may want look into his stuff (= check YouTube) and maybe inquire with him?

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 1:52 PM, mark franco= mbe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
I dont think that Mobius alone will do it for you Siobahn, as you have this= pre-recorded loops thing...
It might be that in software, Abelton Live= might be the best option, if rather like hitting a nut with a sledgehammer= . Weirdly, your requirements, although totally obvious and sensible for a V= AST amount of singer songwriters, are oddly absent from most loopers.
If you find that the internal looper of Live is not good enough, it probabl= y is for verse chorus kind of stuff, THEN you can always plug in Mobius and= use that for your looping. But this is all gonna be alot of setting up and= fiddling...

I CERTAINLY concur with Fabio, that if you have a MBP, well theres noth= ing to stop you d/ling Mobius right now and giving it a go.. go on! what ar= e you waiting for!!

If I was you, however,=A0 I would investigate t= he possibility of using 2 bits of hardware, maybe a drum machine for the be= ats synched to the looper that most fits your needs. I can recommend the Ko= rg Electribe ESX1 for drum-machine, its kind of a sampler too, so you can u= se "real drum" loops as well if you like... a bunch of instrument= s and effects... a tad too techno and dance right out of the box, but you d= on't have to program it like that...
As for looper, well you probably know yourself better than me, Boss rc50???= the new Vox one? The Boomerang? Im not sure which is best for songs...
=
good luck

Mark


On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 7:56 PM, F_Anile <et= erogenus@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Siobahn,
My advice is: set up your macbook pro and go for Mobius softw= are.
Based on the EDP architecture it has 8 stereo looping tracks (that you= can easily mute and trigger on the fly) plus many many useful options (tra= ck and MIDI configurations and scripts, to name a few).



Il giorno 11/lug/2012, alle ore 18:00, Siobahn Hotaling <= boing187@gmail.com<= /a>> ha scritto:

Hi there -

I've used an Akai Headrush E2 for a couple of years for basic live l= ooping, but I'm looking to change my live setup in ways that the Akai c= an't support...

I've pored over all of the specs of the various pedals out there and= my head is spinning. =A0Would anyone be willing to give their suggestion f= or what would be best for the following:

- Background: I'm a singer/songwriter who primarily uses just an aco= ustic guitar as accompaniment (for now).

- My biggest need: I want to be able to create drum loops prior to my sh= ows to use as backup, so I can then access different pre-recorded loops eas= ily (sometimes 2 or 3 different loops within a song) and turn each one on a= nd off easily. =A0I will also be doing some on-the-fly vocal looping that I= will need to be able to store and turn on and off as well. =A0Optimally, I= want to do all of this using just foot switches.

I was looking at the Digitech Jamman Stereo or the Delay, but I don'= t know if either one will absolutely do what I need, or if there is one tha= t is better suited for that?

If not, I am also open to getting an Ipad and going the software route, = or setting up my Macbook Pro as well...

Thanks so much for any suggestions anyone has for me!




--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>

--0016e6dbe7fdc91d8f04c49440c5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 21:18:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D65F8183464; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:18:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.234.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:SN2PRD0410HT005.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI X-BigFish: PS5(zz9371Ic85fh9a6kzz1202hzz8275bhz2fh2a8h668h839he5bhf0ah107ahbe3k) Received-SPF: pass (mail84-co1: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.234.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.234.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=SN2PRD0410HT005.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Recommendations for a new loop pedal... Thread-Topic: Recommendations for a new loop pedal... Thread-Index: AQHNX35LoxprabpojEKjslBxzuRjNpckXgMAgAAxT4D//7MkAA== Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:17:58 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.255.115.4] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CC2356E060331jefflarsonsailpointcom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:18:02 +0000 (UTC) --_000_CC2356E060331jefflarsonsailpointcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mobius can do pre-recorded loops. Whether this is easy or not is debatable= , but basically you would start by using the File->Load Loop menu item to l= oad loops into one or more tracks. Then use File->Save Project to save the= whole thing as a project so you don't have to repeat loading the individua= l files. Then when you're ready to perform use File->Load Project to bring= them all back, or use a script to load the project and bind that to a foot= switch. Now set up footswitches to trigger the loops wherever they are. Jeff From: mark francombe = > Reply-To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > Date: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 3:52 PM To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > Subject: Re: Recommendations for a new loop pedal... Resent-From: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > Resent-Date: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 3:53 PM I dont think that Mobius alone will do it for you Siobahn, as you have this= pre-recorded loops thing... It might be that in software, Abelton Live might be the best option, if rat= her like hitting a nut with a sledgehammer. Weirdly, your requirements, alt= hough totally obvious and sensible for a VAST amount of singer songwriters,= are oddly absent from most loopers. If you find that the internal looper of Live is not good enough, it probabl= y is for verse chorus kind of stuff, THEN you can always plug in Mobius and= use that for your looping. But this is all gonna be alot of setting up and= fiddling... --_000_CC2356E060331jefflarsonsailpointcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mobius can do pre-recorded loops.  Whether this is easy or not is= debatable, but basically you would start by using the File->Load Loop m= enu item to load loops into one or more tracks.  Then use File->Sav= e Project to save the whole thing as a project so you don't have to repeat loading the individual files.  Then when you= 're ready to perform use File->Load Project to bring them all back, or u= se a script to load the project and bind that to a footswitch.  

Now set up footswitches to trigger the loops wherever they are.  =

Jeff


From: mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
Reply-To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com= " <Loopers-D= elight@loopers-delight.com>
Date: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 3:52= PM
To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"= <Loopers-Delight= @loopers-delight.com>
Subject: Re: Recommendations for a = new loop pedal...
Resent-From: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<= /a>" <Looper= s-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Resent-Date: Wednesday, July 11, 20= 12 3:53 PM

I dont think that Mobius alone will do it for you Siobahn, as you have= this pre-recorded loops thing...
It might be that in software, Abelton Live might be the best option, if rat= her like hitting a nut with a sledgehammer. Weirdly, your requirements, alt= hough totally obvious and sensible for a VAST amount of singer songwriters,= are oddly absent from most loopers.
If you find that the internal looper of Live is not good enough, it probabl= y is for verse chorus kind of stuff, THEN you can always plug in Mobius and= use that for your looping. But this is all gonna be alot of setting up and= fiddling...

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Tyler=20Z --===============0047094375==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 21:25:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72429183473; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:25:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FFDEF3F.9080307@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 14:25:19 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: F_Anile CC: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Re: Recommendations for a new loop pedal... References: <838E6048-6502-477D-8629-13EC399E6F7A@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <838E6048-6502-477D-8629-13EC399E6F7A@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:25:26 +0000 (UTC) On 7/11/12 10:56 AM, F_Anile wrote: > Hi Siobahn, > My advice is: set up your macbook pro and go for Mobius software. > Based on the EDP architecture it has 8 stereo looping tracks (that you > can easily mute and trigger on the fly) plus many many useful options > (track and MIDI configurations and scripts, to name a few). This is good advice but because I don't use Mobius, I have a question about it's efficacy for Siobahn's specific needs and a bit of additional advice (all with great respect to Fabio, who knows what he's talking about). Fabio, will Mobius save pre-recorded loops (like drum loops) that you load in and play live as Siobahn mentioned? I wasn't aware that it had that capability but you know it and I don't. Also, it should probably be good to mention that Siobahn may have to do a clean install of the Macbook Pro to install Mobius as, to my knowldege, one can only run it on a Windows Operating System and not Mac OSX. That hasn't changed has it? When I looked into it last, you actually have to do a clean install in order to set up a dual boot system on a Macbook Pro. You will also need dedicated Midi pedals ($150 USD on upwards) and a dedicated break out box with a sound card that also has Midi I/O ($100 upwards to $1500) to control Mobius which, itself, is free. Another possible solution that is not as sophisticated but is also a lot less complicated. The next iteration of the Looperlative LP-2 Mini looper (which had a very, very rocky start but which finally in it's final beta testing stage) will have storage of 8 loops on an SD card (so one can bring multiple SD cards to a performance and load in 8 songs at a time, virtually instantaneously for mono playback only. It has the footprint of a DL-4 by line 6 (essentially two normal sized stomp boxes), runs on 6 AA batteries or regular walwart AC and has a slew of other features (which have been iterated on this forum too many times already). It's street price is $300 USD. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 21:25:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39365183476; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:25:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=/4PJ/TACFTmigpjZ5LI3CahFuTID1GV4MaUcQgfYo/A=; b=i+0TkgPUqmJ0frNluFhIqcHR/vME7LpHAr3eFAyg+oFl/N0zTVGx+StKcLPMgMzzYe lzvabSLB0qYUhiB5MRtYWOJamYN68FyQ9U6R8RjH0ntHVDQowmF2Tpi1C90WJM2ar1Oh uGNTPaAmBTSvn01wXh+nLDW0V5oUd4Tf5P5O/+m3grmgdR5RqhYtIR9Uhc07DCJIQem4 jyL33bFH+fDuCehhMkV4oDRXWLn/3QIBWAHLpHv/QZO/ROoIxRM1sRExtsiyXmmN5TWX RwbgTFMqWEz4SKAFPlFdqrP5JxDuB8rWN8ncMIMpMnGPW2clJi/j/y1VsGMG1ZzxCxMT anIg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <1909209164.1103165.1341928420937.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <713DEE81-DFE8-4C0F-BFCA-99CAA0EC255E@ubergadget.com> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 23:25:08 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: XQMDbnMjI8hHU_jPdh9MkFnLhSA Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec52be6156b9d8504c4947c8c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:25:30 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec52be6156b9d8504c4947c8c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 And I saw them sometime early 80s in Portsmouth Guildhall.. INCREDIBLE show!!! Loved every second, and my main memory was that there was a break, during which a few "technicians" in white coats were on stage with torches and charts, meticulously changing settings on all the sequencers and settings on the huge racks of synths... fantastic! ...shame they turned out so shit in the end... Mark On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > I saw them on the 10th of November 1976. I was so looking forward to > seeing them but absolutely hated the gig - maybe just an off day... What a > pity! > > Peace > > g > > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > > ------------------------------ > From: revfever@ubergadget.com > > Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 11:22:43 -0700 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > On Jul 11, 2012, at 8:33 AM, richard sales wrote: > > 1975. If I remember correctly, TG had these HUGE racks of computers. Like > towers maybe 8 or 9 feet tall. They could have been props. > > > Those were their early Moog (and?) modular synths and not computers. They > also certainly were not "props". :-) But, just the thought of > being able to experience numerous large Moog modular synths live and LOUD > makes me swoon with delight! > > And, LUCKY YOU that you got to see / hear them in THAT era! The earliest > and only time I ever got to experience TD live was in the > *very early* 80s (1982? 83?), but it was still very kool and it was a FREE > show and OUTDOORS at an amphitheater! But, as I recall, > there were not many of those modulars still being used, if any, but I > could be wrong. This was many years ago, so...:-) > > Andy Summers (The Police) opened for them, but he seemed to be having a > "bad day" judging from his "attitude" on stage. > But, at least he still played well enough. It was a pleasant late > afternoon in Dallas TX of all places. > (But I got the hell out of that city over 20 years ago and migrated to the > wonderful PNW!) > > ----- > It's encouraging to hear, Matt, that Morton Subotnick is still being > creative. Very cool. I'll have to check it out. > > > Good news, indeed! > > Cheers- > Rev.Fever > Portlandia > http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1 > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2 > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult > > > I was just thinking this morning about how Morton Subotnick (of > "Silver Apples of the Moon" fame, an early synthesizer record) still > manages to compose music that is fascinating without remaining stuck > in an era. Yet some other composers (Aphex Twin, Klaus Schulze, etc) > became less interesting after a certain number of years. With the > latter, the pattern I notice is that in later years they tried to > adjust their music to match what's popular at the moment, which of > course puts them in a field with a lot of competition. > > I'm not too knowledgeable about Tangerine Dream's later music, but my > impression from hearing a few samples is that they tailored some of > their music to a general audience (seeking soundtrack & commercial > work) instead of a specialized audience (with the space music). At the > same time, they updated their technology from large bulky synths with > a lot of personality to more modern midi instrumentation (which in the > 80s and 90s sounded rather sterile). > > On a related note, my radio show/podcast last week was a Space theme > again: http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com/ > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Christophe wrote: > > Hi Matt, > > > I'm a huge fan of the band throughout their career, but of course with a > > career 40+ years long there are periods I love (the 70's > > Froese-Franke-Baumann era) and some not so much (the Melrose period). > > Unfortunately, the 70's era with those wonderful Moog sequences was not > > represented very much. The sound and material was in line with what > they've > > been doing in recent years, and if you listen to any of the live recordings > > they've done over the past few (Zeitgeist, London Eye, etc.) you've pretty > > much got the picture. Two 90 minute sets, mostly medleys, with parts > > representative of different phases of the bands material scattered > > throughout. One unexpected treat was a version of the Doors, "The Crystal > > Ship", with a vocal by Thorsten Queschning. Bernard Biebl on guitar was > > good but maybe a bit too restrained. Iris Camaa on percussion was > > definitely the most animated of the group and she added a lot of energy to > > the performance. > > > But alas, no long space odysseys. :-( > > > TD is a mature band (extremely!) so you really don't see a lot of evolution > > in the sound in recent years, but that said they put on a totally > satisfying > > show. Definitely gave you your moneys worth for $46 for a front row seat! > > > Chris > > > ________________________________ > > From: "Matt Davignon" > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 6:22:40 PM > > > Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream > > > So, what did you think? I'd love to hear Tangerine Dream do stuff like > > they did in the 70s and early 80s. Not so excited about the idea of > > them playing their late 80s, 90s and 00s stuff. They are playing in > > Napa, California this friday. Tickets are $40. If it was in town, I'd > > certainly go to see them. However, wine country gigs are often for > > bands that are way past their heyday. > > > You'd think with all the hip bands that sound like Tangerine Dream now > > (such as Oneohtrix Point Never), that they could do well in a San > > Francisco or Oakland venue.... > > > Matt > > > > > > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --bcaec52be6156b9d8504c4947c8c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And I saw them sometime early 80s in Portsmouth Guildhall.. INCREDIBLE show= !!! Loved every second, and my main memory was that there was a break, duri= ng which a few "technicians" in white coats were on stage with to= rches and charts, meticulously changing settings on all the sequencers and = settings on the huge racks of synths... fantastic!
...shame they turned out so shit in the end...

Mark

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk> wrote:
I saw them on the 10th of November 1976. I w= as so looking forward to seeing them but absolutely hated the gig - maybe j= ust an off day... What a pity!

Peace

g

Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

=

From: revfever@ubergadget.com

Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 11:22:= 43 -0700
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com


On Jul 11, 2012, at 8:33 AM, richard sales wrote:

1975. If I remember correctly, TG had these HUGE racks = of computers. =A0Like towers maybe 8 or 9 feet tall. =A0They could have bee= n props.=A0

Those were their early Moog (and?) modula= r synths and not computers. They also certainly were not "props".= :-) But, just the thought of
being able to experience numerous l= arge Moog modular synths live and LOUD makes me swoon with delight!

And, LUCKY YOU that you got to see / hear them in THAT = era! =A0The earliest and only time I ever got to experience TD live was in = the=A0
*very early* 80s (1982? 83?),=A0but it was still very kool= and it was a FREE show and OUTDOORS at an amphitheater! =A0But, as I recal= l,
there were not many of those modulars still being used, if any, but I = could be wrong. This was many years ago, so...:-)

= Andy Summers (The Police) opened for them, but he seemed to=A0be having a &= quot;bad day"=A0judging from his "attitude" on stage.=A0
But, at least he still played well enough.=A0It was a pleasant late af= ternoon in Dallas TX of all places.=A0
(But I got the hell out of= that city over 20 years ago and migrated to the wonderful PNW!)

-----
It's encouraging t= o hear, Matt, that Morton Subotnick is still being creative. =A0Very cool. = I'll have to check it out. =A0

Good news, indeed!=A0

=

I was just thinking this morning about how Morton Sub= otnick (of
"Silver Apples of the Moon" fame, an early synthesi= zer record) still
manages to compose music that is fascinating without r= emaining stuck
in an era. Yet some other composers (Aphex Twin, Klaus Schulze, etc)
bec= ame less interesting after a certain number of years. With the
latter, t= he pattern I notice is that in later years they tried to
adjust their mu= sic to match what's popular at the moment, which of
course puts them in a field with a lot of competition.

I'm not t= oo knowledgeable about Tangerine Dream's later music, but my
impress= ion from hearing a few samples is that they tailored some of
their music= to a general audience (seeking soundtrack & commercial
work) instead of a specialized audience (with the space music). At the
s= ame time, they updated their technology from large bulky synths with
a l= ot of personality to more modern midi instrumentation (which in the
80s and 90s sounded rather sterile).

On a related note, my radio sho= w/podcast last week was a Space theme
again: http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com/

--
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusic.com
Podcast! http://ribosomematt.p= odomatic.com


On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Christophe <cburke55@comcast.net> wrote:<= br>
Hi Matt,

I'm a huge fan of the band throughout their career, but of course with = a
career 40+ years long there are periods I lov= e (the 70's
Froese-Franke-Baumann era) =A0a= nd some not so much (the Melrose period).
Unfortunately, the 70's era with those wonderf= ul Moog sequences was not
represented very much= . =A0The sound and material was in line with what they've
been doing in recent years, and if you listen to any of the liv= e recordings
they've done over the past few= (Zeitgeist, London Eye, etc.) you've pretty
much got the picture. =A0Two 90 minute sets, mostly medleys, with parts
=
representative of different phases of the bands ma= terial scattered
throughout. =A0One unexpected = treat was a version of the Doors, "The Crystal
Ship", with a vocal by Thorsten Queschning. = =A0Bernard Biebl on guitar was
good but =A0mayb= e a bit too restrained. =A0Iris Camaa on percussion was
definitely the most animated of the group and she added a lot of energy to<= br>
the performance.
But alas, no long space odysseys. :-(

TD is a mature band (extremely!) s= o you really don't see a lot of evolution
i= n the sound in recent years, but that said they put on a totally satisfying=
show. =A0Definitely gave you your moneys worth for= $46 for a front row seat!

Chris

________________________________
From: "Matt Davignon" <mattdavignon@gmail.com>= ;
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 6:22:40 PM

Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dre= am

So, what did yo= u think? I'd love to hear Tangerine Dream do stuff like
they did in the 70s and early 80s. Not so excited = about the idea of
them playing their late 80s, = 90s and 00s stuff. They are playing in
Napa, Ca= lifornia this friday. Tickets are $40. If it was in town, I'd
certainly go to see them. However, wine country gi= gs are often for
bands that are way past their = heyday.

You'd = think with all the hip bands that sound like Tangerine Dream now
(such as Oneohtrix Point Never), that they could d= o well in a San
Francisco or Oakland venue....<= br>

Matt





=


--
Mark Francom= be

www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--bcaec52be6156b9d8504c4947c8c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 21:27:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1201183474; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:27:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=ye1NZe4EM+9ePBWVBYzrrsmsXzN0t32d+n5ffwf3is0=; b=Q2IkiboLHF5k5JJpEcI/VnPnaXUDycicClZy75ssh6ULBWcy1BCYwZkNl9uzViAJE1 81pH3AUe2P+DTuhKa44UxBYsGQhmgttYmpoqroDubk/Q8b5+rDmeQEKRM2z8hwdNSGQZ NBpR2jIpyotk7q/GGnqAwqL8eo+1JNofYir+qRH+0qjkIveWbmgIEibWQ6uqaV2nvGvE b+MlBt3RRpvY8UtTctQzdhhjwsan1jvXhasOhnBByOykn/exyzo+IN9wVQEeaYkbBO1a nKpoueYFkBJH56k7C7MZY1l4Hvqgw1akJtonbd/lrioIGUz7gdgVMMOyzFGlzazY7vZ0 2mkQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4FFDEF3F.9080307@cruzio.com> References: <838E6048-6502-477D-8629-13EC399E6F7A@gmail.com> <4FFDEF3F.9080307@cruzio.com> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 23:27:18 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: FWZ6EBU_2yhZ5pTLh51GIold9qo Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Recommendations for a new loop pedal... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec52be58b35fee904c4948407 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:27:40 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec52be58b35fee904c4948407 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Also, it should probably be good to mention that Siobahn may have to do a > clean install of the Macbook Pro to install > Mobius as, to my knowldege, one can only run it on a Windows Operating > System and not Mac OSX. That hasn't > changed has it? > > Yep that changed many years ago? Remember me at YK Rick, Mobius, Mac OSX... -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --bcaec52be58b35fee904c4948407 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Also, it should probably be good to mention that Siobahn may have to do a c= lean install of the Macbook Pro to install
Mobius as, to my knowldege, one can only run it on a Windows Operating Syst= em and not Mac OSX. =A0 That hasn't
changed has it?


Yep that changed many years ag= o? Remember me at YK Rick, Mobius, Mac OSX...

=A0
--=
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--bcaec52be58b35fee904c4948407-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 21:29:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54F78183463; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:29:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=neQVIcLZF6bi7Z/7o+0H8/eyHlNAfDObaQ9tEDT6thY= c=1 sm=2 a=agWTFdhlyG4A:10 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=OUXYneDTAAAA:8 a=L_OH8e2HAAAA:8 a=OyOLhbarAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=vm92dfQjAAAA:8 a=HSWCTTXAAAAA:8 a=o0ZD21Z9AAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=OT3O6O8lAAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=JJETs_Nl4KWIX3eefWMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=053Au2P4wpAA:10 a=AQS8kHd1Ap8A:10 a=3GpFfzojnSEA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=yjpDXt5scrr2aXYp:21 a=qOwBk-Hzj1auj9zy:21 a=k5yBm1F2uzCB6anCQHoA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=yINaiak29ygA:10 X-Telus-Outbound-IP: 172.218.130.250 From: richard sales Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-810210168 Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 14:29:06 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <1909209164.1103165.1341928420937.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> ,<713DEE81-DFE8-4C0F-BFCA-99CAA0EC255E@ubergadget.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:29:15 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-810210168 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Gareth,=20 Coulda' been 76 I saw them. That sounds right. Thanks for the memory! R richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.goodnaturefarms.com On Jul 11, 2012, at 11:46 AM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > I saw them on the 10th of November 1976. I was so looking forward to = seeing them but absolutely hated the gig - maybe just an off day... What = a pity! >=20 > Peace >=20 > g >=20 > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk >=20 > From: revfever@ubergadget.com > Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 11:22:43 -0700 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > On Jul 11, 2012, at 8:33 AM, richard sales wrote: >=20 > 1975. If I remember correctly, TG had these HUGE racks of computers. = Like towers maybe 8 or 9 feet tall. They could have been props.=20 >=20 > Those were their early Moog (and?) modular synths and not computers. = They also certainly were not "props". :-) But, just the thought of > being able to experience numerous large Moog modular synths live and = LOUD makes me swoon with delight! >=20 > And, LUCKY YOU that you got to see / hear them in THAT era! The = earliest and only time I ever got to experience TD live was in the=20 > *very early* 80s (1982? 83?), but it was still very kool and it was a = FREE show and OUTDOORS at an amphitheater! But, as I recall, > there were not many of those modulars still being used, if any, but I = could be wrong. This was many years ago, so...:-) >=20 > Andy Summers (The Police) opened for them, but he seemed to be having = a "bad day" judging from his "attitude" on stage.=20 > But, at least he still played well enough. It was a pleasant late = afternoon in Dallas TX of all places.=20 > (But I got the hell out of that city over 20 years ago and migrated to = the wonderful PNW!) >=20 > ----- > It's encouraging to hear, Matt, that Morton Subotnick is still being = creative. Very cool. I'll have to check it out. =20 >=20 > Good news, indeed!=20 >=20 > Cheers- > Rev.Fever > Portlandia > http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1 > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2 > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult >=20 >=20 > I was just thinking this morning about how Morton Subotnick (of > "Silver Apples of the Moon" fame, an early synthesizer record) still > manages to compose music that is fascinating without remaining stuck > in an era. Yet some other composers (Aphex Twin, Klaus Schulze, etc) > became less interesting after a certain number of years. With the > latter, the pattern I notice is that in later years they tried to > adjust their music to match what's popular at the moment, which of > course puts them in a field with a lot of competition. >=20 > I'm not too knowledgeable about Tangerine Dream's later music, but my > impression from hearing a few samples is that they tailored some of > their music to a general audience (seeking soundtrack & commercial > work) instead of a specialized audience (with the space music). At the > same time, they updated their technology from large bulky synths with > a lot of personality to more modern midi instrumentation (which in the > 80s and 90s sounded rather sterile). >=20 > On a related note, my radio show/podcast last week was a Space theme > again: http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com/ >=20 > --=20 > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Christophe = wrote: > Hi Matt, >=20 > I'm a huge fan of the band throughout their career, but of course with = a > career 40+ years long there are periods I love (the 70's > Froese-Franke-Baumann era) and some not so much (the Melrose period). > Unfortunately, the 70's era with those wonderful Moog sequences was = not > represented very much. The sound and material was in line with what = they've > been doing in recent years, and if you listen to any of the live = recordings > they've done over the past few (Zeitgeist, London Eye, etc.) you've = pretty > much got the picture. Two 90 minute sets, mostly medleys, with parts > representative of different phases of the bands material scattered > throughout. One unexpected treat was a version of the Doors, "The = Crystal > Ship", with a vocal by Thorsten Queschning. Bernard Biebl on guitar = was > good but maybe a bit too restrained. Iris Camaa on percussion was > definitely the most animated of the group and she added a lot of = energy to > the performance. >=20 > But alas, no long space odysseys. :-( >=20 > TD is a mature band (extremely!) so you really don't see a lot of = evolution > in the sound in recent years, but that said they put on a totally = satisfying > show. Definitely gave you your moneys worth for $46 for a front row = seat! >=20 > Chris >=20 > ________________________________ > From: "Matt Davignon" > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 6:22:40 PM >=20 > Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream >=20 > So, what did you think? I'd love to hear Tangerine Dream do stuff like > they did in the 70s and early 80s. Not so excited about the idea of > them playing their late 80s, 90s and 00s stuff. They are playing in > Napa, California this friday. Tickets are $40. If it was in town, I'd > certainly go to see them. However, wine country gigs are often for > bands that are way past their heyday. >=20 > You'd think with all the hip bands that sound like Tangerine Dream now > (such as Oneohtrix Point Never), that they could do well in a San > Francisco or Oakland venue.... >=20 > Matt >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-1-810210168 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Gareth, 
Coulda' been 76 I saw them. =  That sounds right. Thanks for the memory!
R
richard sales
<= font class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#908E38">www.richardsales.com
= www.goodnaturefarms.com=











On Jul 11, 2012, at 11:46 AM, Gareth Whittock = wrote:

I saw them on the = 10th of November 1976. I was so looking forward to seeing them but = absolutely hated the gig - maybe just an off day... What a = pity!

Peace

g
<= br>Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk


From: revfever@ubergadget.com
Sub= ject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 11:22:43 = -0700
To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com

On Jul 11, 2012, at 8:33 AM, richard = sales wrote:

1975. If I = remember correctly, TG had these HUGE racks of computers.  Like = towers maybe 8 or 9 feet tall.  They could have been = props. 

Those were their = early Moog (and?) modular synths and not computers. They also certainly = were not "props". :-) But, just the thought of
being able to = experience numerous large Moog modular synths live and LOUD makes me = swoon with delight!

And, LUCKY YOU that you got = to see / hear them in THAT era!  The earliest and only time I ever = got to experience TD live was in the 
*very early* 80s = (1982? 83?), but it was still very kool and it was a FREE show and = OUTDOORS at an amphitheater!  But, as I recall,
there = were not many of those modulars still being used, if any, but I could be = wrong. This was many years ago, so...:-)

Andy = Summers (The Police) opened for them, but he seemed to be having a = "bad day" judging from his "attitude" on = stage. 
But, at least he still played well = enough. It was a pleasant late afternoon in Dallas TX of all = places. 
(But I got the hell out of that city over 20 = years ago and migrated to the wonderful = PNW!)

-----
It's = encouraging to hear, Matt, that Morton Subotnick is still being = creative.  Very cool. I'll have to check it out. =  

Good news, = indeed! 

Cheers-
manages = to compose music that is fascinating without remaining stuck
in an = era. Yet some other composers (Aphex Twin, Klaus Schulze, etc)
became = less interesting after a certain number of years. With the
latter, = the pattern I notice is that in later years they tried to
adjust = their music to match what's popular at the moment, which of
course = puts them in a field with a lot of competition.

I'm not too = knowledgeable about Tangerine Dream's later music, but my
impression = from hearing a few samples is that they tailored some of
their music = to a general audience (seeking soundtrack & commercial
work) = instead of a specialized audience (with the space music). At the
same = time, they updated their technology from large bulky synths with
a = lot of personality to more modern midi instrumentation (which in = the
80s and 90s sounded rather sterile).

On a related note, my = radio show/podcast last week was a Space theme
again: http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com/

-- 
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusic.com
Podcast= ! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com


On = Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Christophe <cburke55@comcast.net> = wrote:
Hi = Matt,

I'm a = huge fan of the band throughout their career, but of course with = a
career 40+ years long there are periods I = love (the 70's
Froese-Franke-Baumann era) =  and some not so much (the Melrose = period).
Unfortunately, the 70's era with = those wonderful Moog sequences was = not
represented very much.  The sound = and material was in line with what = they've
been doing in recent years, and if = you listen to any of the live = recordings
they've done over the past few = (Zeitgeist, London Eye, etc.) you've = pretty
much got the picture.  Two 90 = minute sets, mostly medleys, with = parts
representative of different phases of = the bands material scattered
throughout. =  One unexpected treat was a version of the Doors, "The = Crystal
Ship", with a vocal by Thorsten = Queschning.  Bernard Biebl on guitar = was
good but  maybe a bit too = restrained.  Iris Camaa on percussion = was
definitely the most animated of the = group and she added a lot of energy to
the = performance.

But = alas, no long space odysseys. = :-(

TD is a = mature band (extremely!) so you really don't see a lot of = evolution
in the sound in recent years, but = that said they put on a totally = satisfying
show.  Definitely gave you = your moneys worth for $46 for a front row = seat!

Chris

______________________= __________
From: "Matt Davignon" <mattdavignon@gmail.com>
<= /blockquote>
To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 = 6:22:40 = PM

Subject: Re: = OT: Tangerine = Dream

So, what = did you think? I'd love to hear Tangerine Dream do stuff = like
they did in the 70s and early 80s. Not = so excited about the idea of
them playing = their late 80s, 90s and 00s stuff. They are playing = in
Napa, California this friday. Tickets are = $40. If it was in town, I'd
certainly go to = see them. However, wine country gigs are often = for
bands that are way past their = heyday.

You'd = think with all the hip bands that sound like Tangerine Dream = now
(such as Oneohtrix Point Never), that = they could do well in a San
Francisco or = Oakland = venue....

Matt






= --Apple-Mail-1-810210168-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 21:55:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6918518347C; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:55:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=1iLfobNd79KX6Z9ydK6kWWsONi/IIvPTIIpIjXgZemU=; b=KyxXYaLv0x3VT2hmNWoT1RRJauCf65AlFS3rA1Y8wc14V59ovoprml4KWojn6YehHW 7XmsdxCBeLwVYy1aeh86LHplD/6HkAmrST1QTrjC2ZzhcLHN2F7eXkisvIkMK64a7ydW dlIEUySzEH/SQxiKiK/q9cFEH6whLZkjtIYAnpN5c8k9L9Xed3mMkCAn+Vv/WwNZLol4 NENnug9hy+pegH2qz+5DAm7EpZFXIXmu5Du/dEYhlkLxtiwVg3gjKJhzfxy0R0LGi8nI 20hiWxp9UwP2BwX1NnFJwV3nxBZ4/9rfO/gW4KXoHzoSaiYljfh7Mr6R+o+iWaJJzBXr H3Lg== From: Matthias Grob Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_0F2478B6-0028-416E-A270-85F64C8AA543" Subject: Re: Loop Wiki? Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 18:54:53 -0300 In-Reply-To: <20120711212504.4128.26169.levelstar.mail@everest> To: Loop List References: <20120711212504.4128.26169.levelstar.mail@everest> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: <3FgSXD.A.8AC.0Yf_PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:55:00 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_0F2478B6-0028-416E-A270-85F64C8AA543 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Tyler, we are about to lounch the new version of livelooping.org its not "blogger stuff" maybe you can connect a wiki to expand it? Bernhard started one years ago: http://livelooping.wikispaces.com/ I think most musicians do not know the rules to type into the wiki the team found the best is to gather information on the forum and = transfer the essence to the site do you really think wiki looks better than wordpress? On 11 Jul 2012, at 6:25 PM, Tyler wrote: > Hello! I have two years of experience in the field of wiki = administration, and I'm wondering how many=20 > of you would want Loop Wiki; it would be an online encyclopedia by = loopers for loopers. You see,=20 > on this website, mailing list posts become part of the reference-work = when the owner of the site posts them.=20 > Well, Loop Wiki would be a place where if information needs updating, = the looper would just log into an=20 > account, hit Edit, and change it, just like on Wikipedia. It's Web = 2.0, sonny! Of course, this=20 > mailing list would still be active for questions and news updates. But = this website, you pretty much have=20 > to email an admin for a change in the "encyclopedia" of loop topics we = have here. Well, what about=20 > Loop Wiki? Log in, click, edit, preview, save! We all do that, and = create a more=20 > Wikipedia-like community. It would be better than that = Wordpress-blogger stuff Livelooping is doing. > Tyler Z >=20 --Apple-Mail=_0F2478B6-0028-416E-A270-85F64C8AA543 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii livelooping.org
its not = "blogger stuff"
maybe you can connect a wiki to expand = it?
Bernhard started one years ago:

I think most musicians do not know the = rules to type into the wiki
the team found the best is to = gather information on the forum and transfer the essence to the = site

do you really think wiki looks better than = wordpress?

On 11 Jul 2012, at 6:25 PM, Tyler = wrote:

Hello! I have two years of experience in the field of = wiki administration, and I'm wondering how many
of you would want = Loop Wiki; it would be an online encyclopedia by loopers for loopers. = You see,
on this website, mailing list posts become part of the = reference-work when the owner of the site posts them.
Well, Loop = Wiki would be a place where if information needs updating, the looper = would just log into an
account, hit Edit, and change it, just like = on Wikipedia. It's Web 2.0, sonny! Of course, this
mailing list = would still be active for questions and news updates. But this website, = you pretty much have
to email an admin for a change in the = "encyclopedia" of loop topics we have here. Well, what about
Loop = Wiki? Log in, click, edit, preview, save! We all do that, and create a = more
Wikipedia-like community. It would be better than that = Wordpress-blogger stuff Livelooping is doing.
Tyler = Z


= --Apple-Mail=_0F2478B6-0028-416E-A270-85F64C8AA543-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 22:04:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 004D418347E; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 22:04:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0047094375==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120711220412.4859.26169.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 18:04:13 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: Loop Wiki? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 22:04:16 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0047094375== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes,=20I=20think=20wiki=20is=20better.=20But=20the=20wiki=20you=20linked=20= to=20is=20Wikispaces;=20I'm=20talking=20about=20 Mediawiki.=20An=20example=20of=20Mediawiki=20is=20Wikipedia.=20Here's=20an= =20example=20of=20a=20Mediawiki=20 wiki.=20There=20are=20no=20loop=20wikis,=20but=20I'm=20trying=20to=20keep= =20it=20relevant.=20Here's=20a=20general=20 music-themed=20wiki.=20This=20is=20what=20it=20will=20look=20like;=20WAY=20= different=20than=20Livelooping=20Wikispaces. http://www.wikimusicguide.com Very=20much=20like=20Wikipedia,=20eh? Tyler=20Z On=20Wed,=2011=20Jul=202012=2018:54:53=20-0300,=20Matthias=20Grob=20wrote: >Tyler, >we=20are=20about=20to=20lounch=20the=20new=20version=20of=20livelooping.org >its=20not=20"blogger=20stuff" >maybe=20you=20can=20connect=20a=20wiki=20to=20expand=20it? >Bernhard=20started=20one=20years=20ago: >http://livelooping.wikispaces.com/ >I=20think=20most=20musicians=20do=20not=20know=20the=20rules=20to=20type= =20into=20the=20wiki >the=20team=20found=20the=20best=20is=20to=20gather=20information=20on=20th= e=20forum=20and=20transfer=20the=20 >essence=20to=20the=20site >do=20you=20really=20think=20wiki=20looks=20better=20than=20wordpress? >On=2011=20Jul=202012,=20at=206:25=20PM,=20Tyler=20wrote: >of=20you=20would=20want=20Loop=20Wiki;=20it=20would=20be=20an=20online=20e= ncyclopedia=20by=20loopers=20for=20 >loopers.=20You=20see,=20 >on=20this=20website,=20mailing=20list=20posts=20become=20part=20of=20the= =20reference-work=20when=20the=20 >owner=20of=20the=20site=20posts=20them.=20 >Well,=20Loop=20Wiki=20would=20be=20a=20place=20where=20if=20information=20= needs=20updating,=20the=20 >looper=20would=20just=20log=20into=20an=20 >account,=20hit=20Edit,=20and=20change=20it,=20just=20like=20on=20Wikipedia= .=20It's=20Web=202.0,=20sonny!=20 >Of=20course,=20this=20 >mailing=20list=20would=20still=20be=20active=20for=20questions=20and=20new= s=20updates.=20But=20this=20 >website,=20you=20pretty=20much=20have=20 >to=20email=20an=20admin=20for=20a=20change=20in=20the=20"encyclopedia"=20o= f=20loop=20topics=20we=20have=20 >here.=20Well,=20what=20about=20 >Loop=20Wiki?=20Log=20in,=20click,=20edit,=20preview,=20save!=20We=20all=20= do=20that,=20and=20create=20a=20 >more=20 >Wikipedia-like=20community.=20It=20would=20be=20better=20than=20that=20Wor= dpress-blogger=20stuff=20 >Livelooping=20is=20doing. >Tyler=20Z --===============0047094375==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 22:04:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9154C183489; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 22:04:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=H+jhmybk+q0M12SwNJ7im0EeZJMp+WCbJn3FTIYjV9g=; b=j1v/IqE9zD3pGmZlPuyuqY+DuXB3fN57hx77KA+1//yAe5lbQ0TKzRw54qtDYKgXML LrWbRL1iX4RgwIcFKE3ynTJ25PP67S6SIOGMYfeFiOWA/MZU2UFjzTcxmmfxbhVfSYjh OyRbGl7KKzorPuSmQ6U/aK8F9UZ1x0A/BPgUDohhRdFQ4McwVco0o2OPaW6n03tuMEmn 8Lc9QIjZ6H3eNWmqRpKCzMnCwv8e33cT+RHVRChWBgv09d5krzsAlXSpN9eaJ1DvU8sC F5PFFY8mjn+04HRKJEamCQMGTg+8TIRRvgbLiXN/mVqSvdyyFHGr84QvUYxREtfRpW98 V2dw== References: <20120711212504.4128.26169.levelstar.mail@everest> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-D35466A2-7CBD-4CB1-8771-C8C039649DDE Message-Id: Cc: Loop List X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Phil Clevenger Subject: Re: Loop Wiki? Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 15:04:20 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 22:04:24 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-D35466A2-7CBD-4CB1-8771-C8C039649DDE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii IMO wiki can be great. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 11, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: > Tyler, > we are about to lounch the new version of livelooping.org > its not "blogger stuff" > maybe you can connect a wiki to expand it? > Bernhard started one years ago: > http://livelooping.wikispaces.com/ >=20 > I think most musicians do not know the rules to type into the wiki > the team found the best is to gather information on the forum and transfer= the essence to the site >=20 > do you really think wiki looks better than wordpress? >=20 > On 11 Jul 2012, at 6:25 PM, Tyler wrote: >=20 >> Hello! I have two years of experience in the field of wiki administration= , and I'm wondering how many=20 >> of you would want Loop Wiki; it would be an online encyclopedia by looper= s for loopers. You see,=20 >> on this website, mailing list posts become part of the reference-work whe= n the owner of the site posts them.=20 >> Well, Loop Wiki would be a place where if information needs updating, the= looper would just log into an=20 >> account, hit Edit, and change it, just like on Wikipedia. It's Web 2.0, s= onny! Of course, this=20 >> mailing list would still be active for questions and news updates. But th= is website, you pretty much have=20 >> to email an admin for a change in the "encyclopedia" of loop topics we ha= ve here. Well, what about=20 >> Loop Wiki? Log in, click, edit, preview, save! We all do that, and create= a more=20 >> Wikipedia-like community. It would be better than that Wordpress-blogger s= tuff Livelooping is doing. >> Tyler Z >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-D35466A2-7CBD-4CB1-8771-C8C039649DDE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
IMO wiki can be great.
=
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 11, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Matthias G= rob <matilists@gmail.com> w= rote:

Tyler,
we a= re about to lounch the new version of liv= elooping.org
its not "blogger stuff"
maybe you can c= onnect a wiki to expand it?
Bernhard started one years ago:
<= div>http://livelooping.wikisp= aces.com/

I think most musicians do not know th= e rules to type into the wiki
the team found the best is to gather= information on the forum and transfer the essence to the site
do you really think wiki looks better than wordpress?
=
On 11 Jul 2012, at 6:25 PM, Tyler wrote:

Hello! I have two yea= rs of experience in the field of wiki administration, and I'm wondering how m= any
of you would want Loop Wiki; it would be an online encyclopedia by l= oopers for loopers. You see,
on this website, mailing list posts become p= art of the reference-work when the owner of the site posts them.
Well, L= oop Wiki would be a place where if information needs updating, the looper wo= uld just log into an
account, hit Edit, and change it, just like on Wiki= pedia. It's Web 2.0, sonny! Of course, this
mailing list would still be a= ctive for questions and news updates. But this website, you pretty much have=
to email an admin for a change in the "encyclopedia" of loop topics we h= ave here. Well, what about
Loop Wiki? Log in, click, edit, preview, save= ! We all do that, and create a more
Wikipedia-like community. It would b= e better than that Wordpress-blogger stuff Livelooping is doing.
Tyler Z<= br>

= --Apple-Mail-D35466A2-7CBD-4CB1-8771-C8C039649DDE-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 22:20:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64A20183466; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 22:20:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0991243423==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120711221956.5452.18459.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 18:19:58 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Remix? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 22:20:03 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0991243423== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello,=20everybody!=20Are=20any=20of=20you=20remix=20artists?=20People=20wh= o=20take=20existing=20(usually=20popular)=20 recordings,=20and=20sample=20and=20loop=20over=20them?=20Almost=20all=20my= =20life,=20I've=20treated=20remix=20artists=20like=20 looping=20artists,=20because=20of=20their=20use=20of=20looping.=20Most=20re= mix=20artists=20are=20a=20type=20of=20looping=20artist,=20in=20my=20 opinion.=20Are=20there=20any=20remixers=20here? 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An= ything they may have evolved into is covered by their earlier successes. I = mean, hell man, I heard Ringo Starr recently discussing his songwriting pro= cess using the song Backoff Boogaloo as an example. Not 'xactly a song for = the ages.=0A=A0=0ADoes anyone remember or listen to the German group Softwa= re? I still love their album Syn Code A and several others.=0A=A0=0AP=0A=0A= =0A________________________________=0AFrom: mark francombe =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Wednesday, July= 11, 2012 5:25 PM=0ASubject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream=0A=0A=0AAnd I saw them= sometime early 80s in Portsmouth Guildhall.. INCREDIBLE show!!! Loved ever= y second, and my main memory was that there was a break, during which a few= "technicians" in white coats were on stage with torches and charts, meticu= lously changing settings on all the sequencers and settings on the huge rac= ks of synths... fantastic!=0A...shame they turned out so shit in the end...= =0A=0AMark=0A=0A=0AOn Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Gareth Whittock wrote:=0A=0AI saw them on the 10th of November 1976. I = was so looking forward to seeing them but absolutely hated the gig - maybe = just an off day... What a pity! =0A>=0A>=0A>Peace=0A>=0A>=0A>g=0A>=0A>=0A>G= areth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>_________= _______________________=0A>From: revfever@ubergadget.com =0A>=0A>Subject: R= e: OT: Tangerine Dream=0A>Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 11:22:43 -0700=0A>To: Loop= ers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On Jul 11, 2012, at 8:33 AM= , richard sales wrote:=0A>=0A>1975. If I remember correctly, TG had these H= UGE racks of computers. =A0Like towers maybe 8 or 9 feet tall. =A0They coul= d have been props.=A0=0A>=0A>Those were their early Moog (and?) modular syn= ths and not computers. They also certainly were not "props". :-) But, just = the thought of=0A>being able to experience numerous large Moog modular synt= hs live and LOUD makes me swoon with delight!=0A>=0A>=0A>And, LUCKY YOU tha= t you got to see / hear them in THAT era! =A0The earliest and only time I e= ver got to experience TD live was in the=A0=0A>*very early* 80s (1982? 83?)= ,=A0but it was still very kool and it was a FREE show and OUTDOORS at an am= phitheater! =A0But, as I recall,=0A>there were not many of those modulars s= till being used, if any, but I could be wrong. This was many years ago, so.= ..:-)=0A>=0A>=0A>Andy Summers (The Police) opened for them, but he seemed t= o=A0be having a "bad day"=A0judging from his "attitude" on stage.=A0=0A>But= , at least he still played well enough.=A0It was a pleasant late afternoon = in Dallas TX of all places.=A0=0A>(But I got the hell out of that city over= 20 years ago and migrated to the wonderful PNW!)=0A>=0A>=0A>-----=0A>>It's= encouraging to hear, Matt, that Morton Subotnick is still being creative. = =A0Very cool. I'll have to check it out. =A0=0A>=0A>Good news, indeed!=A0= =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Cheers-=0A>Rev.Fever=0A>Portlandia=0A>http://www.spiritone.= com/%7Ervfever=0A>http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1=0A>http://www.cdbaby.= com/cd/elemental2=0A>http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>>=0A>>I = was just thinking this morning about how Morton Subotnick (of=0A>>>"Silver = Apples of the Moon" fame, an early synthesizer record) still=0A>>>manages t= o compose music that is fascinating without remaining stuck=0A>>>in an era.= Yet some other composers (Aphex Twin, Klaus Schulze, etc)=0A>>>became less= interesting after a certain number of years. With the=0A>>>latter, the pat= tern I notice is that in later years they tried to=0A>>>adjust their music = to match what's popular at the moment, which of=0A>>>course puts them in a = field with a lot of competition.=0A>>>=0A>>>I'm not too knowledgeable about= Tangerine Dream's later music, but my=0A>>>impression from hearing a few s= amples is that they tailored some of=0A>>>their music to a general audience= (seeking soundtrack & commercial=0A>>>work) instead of a specialized audie= nce (with the space music). At the=0A>>>same time, they updated their techn= ology from large bulky synths with=0A>>>a lot of personality to more modern= midi instrumentation (which in the=0A>>>80s and 90s sounded rather sterile= ).=0A>>>=0A>>>On a related note, my radio show/podcast last week was a Spac= e theme=0A>>>again: http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com/=0A>>>=0A>>>-- =0A>>>= Matt Davignon=0A>>>mattdavignon@gmail.com=0A>>>http://www.ribosomemusic.com= /=0A>>>Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>On Tue, = Jul 10, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Christophe wrote:=0A>>>=0A>= >>Hi Matt,=0A>>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>I'm a huge fan of the band throughout t= heir career, but of course with a=0A>>>>=0A>>>career 40+ years long there a= re periods I love (the 70's=0A>>>>=0A>>>Froese-Franke-Baumann era) =A0and s= ome not so much (the Melrose period).=0A>>>>=0A>>>Unfortunately, the 70's e= ra with those wonderful Moog sequences was not=0A>>>>=0A>>>represented very= much. =A0The sound and material was in line with what they've=0A>>>>=0A>>>= been doing in recent years, and if you listen to any of the live recordings= =0A>>>>=0A>>>they've done over the past few (Zeitgeist, London Eye, etc.) y= ou've pretty=0A>>>>=0A>>>much got the picture. =A0Two 90 minute sets, mostl= y medleys, with parts=0A>>>>=0A>>>representative of different phases of the= bands material scattered=0A>>>>=0A>>>throughout. =A0One unexpected treat w= as a version of the Doors, "The Crystal=0A>>>>=0A>>>Ship", with a vocal by = Thorsten Queschning. =A0Bernard Biebl on guitar was=0A>>>>=0A>>>good but = =A0maybe a bit too restrained. =A0Iris Camaa on percussion was=0A>>>>=0A>>>= definitely the most animated of the group and she added a lot of energy to= =0A>>>>=0A>>>the performance.=0A>>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>But alas, no long sp= ace odysseys. :-(=0A>>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>TD is a mature band (extremely!)= so you really don't see a lot of evolution=0A>>>>=0A>>>in the sound in rec= ent years, but that said they put on a totally satisfying=0A>>>>=0A>>>show.= =A0Definitely gave you your moneys worth for $46 for a front row seat!=0A>= >>>=0A>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>Chris=0A>>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>______________________= __________=0A>>>>=0A>>>From: "Matt Davignon" =0A>>>= >=0A>>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A>>>>=0A>>>Sent: Monday, Ju= ly 9, 2012 6:22:40 PM=0A>>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine D= ream=0A>>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>So, what did you think? I'd love to hear Tang= erine Dream do stuff like=0A>>>>=0A>>>they did in the 70s and early 80s. No= t so excited about the idea of=0A>>>>=0A>>>them playing their late 80s, 90s= and 00s stuff. They are playing in=0A>>>>=0A>>>Napa, California this frida= y. Tickets are $40. If it was in town, I'd=0A>>>>=0A>>>certainly go to see = them. However, wine country gigs are often for=0A>>>>=0A>>>bands that are w= ay past their heyday.=0A>>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>You'd think with all the hip= bands that sound like Tangerine Dream now=0A>>>>=0A>>>(such as Oneohtrix P= oint Never), that they could do well in a San=0A>>>>=0A>>>Francisco or Oakl= and venue....=0A>>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>Matt=0A>>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>= >=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>=0A=0A=0A-- =0AMark Francombe=0Ahttp://www.markfrancombe.co= m/=0Ahttp://www.ordoabkhao.com/=0Ahttp://vimeo.com/user825094=0Ahttp://www.= looop.no/=0Atwitter @markfrancombe=0Ahttp://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@= N00/ ---672873354-831181599-1342045519=:39580 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
(shame they turned out so shit in the end= ...)
 
Harsh, man, harsh. A= nything they may have evolved into is covered by their earlier successes. I= mean, hell man, I heard Ringo Starr recently discussing his songwriting pr= ocess using the song Backoff Boogaloo as an example. Not 'xactly a song for= the ages.
 
Does anyone remember= or listen to the German group Software? I still love their album Syn Code = A and several others.
 
P

From:= mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com <= BR>Sent: Wednesday, July 11= , 2012 5:25 PM
Subject: = Re: OT: Tangerine Dream

And I saw them sometime early 80s in Portsmouth Guil= dhall.. INCREDIBLE show!!! Loved every second, and my main memory was that = there was a break, during which a few "technicians" in white coats were on = stage with torches and charts, meticulously changing settings on all the se= quencers and settings on the huge racks of synths... fantastic!
...shame= they turned out so shit in the end...

Mark

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Garet= h Whittock <= buddhamachine@live.co.uk> wrote:
I saw them on the 10th of No= vember 1976. I was so looking forward to seeing them but absolutely hated t= he gig - maybe just an off day... What a pity!

Peace

g

Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

From: revfever@ubergadget.com

Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream
D= ate: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 11:22:43 -0700
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com


On Jul 11, 2012, at 8:33 AM, richard sales wrote:

1975. If I remember correctly, TG had these HUGE racks of computers. &= nbsp;Like towers maybe 8 or 9 feet tall.  They could have been props.&= nbsp;

Those were their early Moog (and?) modular synths and not co= mputers. They also certainly were not "props". :-) But, just the thought of=
being able to experience numerous large Moog modular synths live and L= OUD makes me swoon with delight!

And, LUCKY YOU that you got to see / hear them in THAT era!  The = earliest and only time I ever got to experience TD live was in the 
*very early* 80s (1982? 83?), but it was still very kool and it w= as a FREE show and OUTDOORS at an amphitheater!  But, as I recall,
there were not many of those modulars still being used, if any, but I = could be wrong. This was many years ago, so...:-)

Andy Summers (The Police) opened for them, but he seemed to be ha= ving a "bad day" judging from his "attitude" on stage. 
But, at least he still played well enough. It was a pleasant late= afternoon in Dallas TX of all places. 
(But I got the hell out of that city over 20 years ago and migrated to= the wonderful PNW!)

-----
It's encouraging to hear, Matt, that Morton Subotnick is still being c= reative.  Very cool. I'll have to check it out.  

Good news, indeed! 

Cheers-
Rev.= Fever
Port= landia
http= ://www.spiritone.com/%7Ervfever
http= ://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1
http= ://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2
http= ://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult


I was just thinking this morning about how Morton Subotnick (of
"Si= lver Apples of the Moon" fame, an early synthesizer record) still
manage= s to compose music that is fascinating without remaining stuck
in an era= . Yet some other composers (Aphex Twin, Klaus Schulze, etc)
became less = interesting after a certain number of years. With the
latter, the patter= n I notice is that in later years they tried to
adjust their music to ma= tch what's popular at the moment, which of
course puts them in a field w= ith a lot of competition.

I'm not too knowledgeable about Tangerine = Dream's later music, but my
impression from hearing a few samples is tha= t they tailored some of
their music to a general audience (seeking sound= track & commercial
work) instead of a specialized audience (with the= space music). At the
same time, they updated their technology from larg= e bulky synths with
a lot of personality to more modern midi instrumentation (which in the
80s and 90s sounded rather sterile).
<= BR>On a related note, my radio show/podcast last week was a Space theme
= again: http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com/

--
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
http://ww= w.ribosomemusic.com/
Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
<= BR>
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Christophe <cburke55@comcast.net> wrote:
Hi Matt,

I'm a huge fan of the band throughout their career, but of cour= se with a
career 40+ years long there are periods I love (the 70's
Froese-Franke-Baumann era)  and some not so much (the Melr= ose period).
Unfortunately, the 70's era with those wonderful Moog sequences= was not
represented very much.  The sound and material was in line= with what they've
been doing in recent years, and if you listen to any of the liv= e recordings
they've done over the past few (Zeitgeist, London Eye, etc.) yo= u've pretty
much got the picture.  Two 90 minute sets, mostly medleys,= with parts
representative of different phases of the bands material scatte= red
throughout.  One unexpected treat was a version of the Doo= rs, "The Crystal
Ship", with a vocal by Thorsten Queschning.  Bernard Biebl= on guitar was
good but  maybe a bit too restrained.  Iris Camaa on = percussion was
definitely the most animated of the group and she added a lot o= f energy to
the performance.

But alas, no long space odysseys. :-(

TD is a mature band (extremely!) so you really don't see a lot = of evolution
in the sound in recent years, but that said they put on a total= ly satisfying
show.  Definitely gave you your moneys worth for $46 for a= front row seat!

Chris

________________________________
From: "Matt Davignon" <mattdavignon@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 6:22:40 PM

Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream

So, what did you think? I'd love to hear Tangerine Dream do stu= ff like
they did in the 70s and early 80s. Not so excited about the ide= a of
them playing their late 80s, 90s and 00s stuff. They are playin= g in
Napa, California this friday. Tickets are $40. If it was in tow= n, I'd
certainly go to see them. However, wine country gigs are often = for
bands that are way past their heyday.

You'd think with all the hip bands that sound like Tangerine Dr= eam now
(such as Oneohtrix Point Never), that they could do well in a S= an
Francisco or Oakland venue....

Matt




<= /BLOCKQUOTE>




--
Mark Francombe<= /FONT>
http://www.markfra= ncombe.com/
h= ttp://www.ordoabkhao.com/
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no/
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/

<= BR>
---672873354-831181599-1342045519=:39580-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 23:32:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95DF3183464; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 23:32:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=gzbnXSUQAJ1wD8ajb+Fx6cEHT8I5iv1IA7D59Nf37ms=; b=T8742+OoyPbIcM3/Z8LHx+HJ1erSfc3MjoUikdiww9Obpu6+iEC1XBQidjEEraUGJk pjE9UYT1qrbOVYfxvZ+SjeAezgcDLhJtAhe/4w1RxRPUY4h7Yw5D7D+9ngXMSb7YJx9p SICyFlcDRtyrjbrZlfUnBrzyUPUPkGJquncMGvfag0ORE/XW1HnN1KQgYxobAQ7HXjzf jYp5Ex01AZ/IF8JKEPg9lWttBAEQtHKkCqTt5W0QA90dk1nNAadN7c1o1gSUhXo46gAa xyE8U/OUZuT0SMaWUPKVIk6+1MX7UXZtNM5hLcUOlSrXA5pY2OA8iYnX9UbpYwvlt32X LYwQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120711221956.5452.18459.levelstar.mail@everest> References: <20120711221956.5452.18459.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 16:32:35 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Remix? From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <2aryUC.A.vVD.U0g_PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 23:32:36 +0000 (UTC) I used to do it more than I do now. Sometimes on my radio show, I'll take well known songs and run them though a process. On the most recent episode, I did a time-stretch of the chorus from Neneh Cherry's "Buffalo Stance", then later had Led Zeppelin's "Battle of Evermore" backwards, and Charlie Daniels Band's "The Devil Went Down to Georgia" at 1/2 speed. (the link is http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com) I'm a big fan of time compress & time stretch. (The former makes a sound shorter without changing the pitch by taking tiny little slices out of the audio. The latter stretches out a sound by repeating tiny slices of the audio.) One of my favorite things to do is to bring a song down to half speed, then time-compress it to its original length. The song is totally recognizeable, but the rhythm gets noticeably changed, due to the bits taken out. Another thing I do is to time-compress a song until it's only 20 or 30 seconds long (by doing it repeatedly at 3% intervals), then time-stretch it back to the original length. That creates a nice weird thing where you still get the chord structure of the original song, but in a way that sounds completely digitally f'ed up. On the 6/20 episode, I did a thing to Michael Jackson's "Don't Stop till you Get Enough", where I pitched it down into a few different keys, and had different versions overlapping at the same time. Towards the end I did some noise gating, so only the rhythmic peaks are heard. When I do actual remixes (which as I mentioned earlier, is pretty rare these days), I often just treat the original record as source material and compose something new with it - there's no intention for it to sound like the original. I'll also use elements from different songs. The last one I did was for Michael Peters' "Stretched Landscape Remix Project" (http://veloopity.bandcamp.com/album/stretched-landscape-remix-project). -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Tyler wrote: > Hello, everybody! Are any of you remix artists? People who take existing (usually popular) > recordings, and sample and loop over them? Almost all my life, I've treated remix artists like > looping artists, because of their use of looping. Most remix artists are a type of looping artist, in my > opinion. Are there any remixers here? > Tyler Z > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 00:31:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C7C7183464; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 00:31:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FFE1ADE.6070307@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:31:26 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeff Larson CC: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Re: Recommendations for a new loop pedal... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 00:31:32 +0000 (UTC) On 7/11/12 2:17 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > Mobius can do pre-recorded loops. Whether this is easy or not is > debatable, but basically you would start by using the File->Load Loop > menu item to load loops into one or more tracks. Then use File->Save > Project to save the whole thing as a project so you don't have to > repeat loading the individual files. Then when you're ready to > perform use File->Load Project to bring them all back, or use a script > to load the project and bind that to a footswitch. > > Now set up footswitches to trigger the loops wherever they are. Thanks, Jeff, pardon my ignorance on the subject. much respect, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 00:43:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1E6718345D; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 00:43:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 35008 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 00:43:25 UTC From: Siobahn Hotaling Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Recommendations for a new loop pedal... Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 10:59:52 -0400 Message-Id: <8E7EDCCC-6C70-4E17-9E11-9C4978426286@SIOBAHN.COM> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ecbiz115.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - SIOBAHN.COM X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 00:43:25 +0000 (UTC) Hi there - I've used an Akai Headrush E2 for a couple of years for basic looping, = but I'm looking to change my live set in ways that the Akai can't = support... I've pored over all of the specs of the various pedals out there and my = head is spinning. =20 Would anyone be willing to give their suggestion for what would be best = for the following: - I'm a singer/songwriter who primarily uses an acoustic guitar. - My biggest need: I want to be able to create drum loops prior to my = shows to use as backup, so I want to be able to access different = pre-recorded loops easily (sometimes 2 or 3 different loops within a = song) and turn each one on and off easily. I will also be doing some = on-the-fly vocal looping that I will need to be able to store and turn = on and off as well. Optimally, I want to do all of this using just foot = switches. I was looking at the Digitech Jamman Stereo or the Delay, but I don't = know if either one will absolutely do what I need, or if there is one = that is better suited for that? If not, I am also open to getting an Ipad and going the software route, = or setting up my Macbook Pro as well... Thanks so much for any suggestions anyone has for me! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 00:51:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3C66183473; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 00:51:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ylw9VKS+j0ZismVlPNDiIINf3Stfikd2J05ixHcZook=; b=iBPp1oeG4kvVnRiE9cAZCGc4GPFSaNggn0n6yDGhra5BEvU+311Qnz2aUgSBZH5A/S HQAMsUrXTT5nyUht1APuKFF5Po0DF+20h7siYHoKBW8yC53/z6gS4vyzSNFdNcXdFEC8 //JrlKwp0HcqYZPzWHJBkZbezFjJgxd2LHSDQjBL8lrf+IMiJxolFAVlJIhMqZt6fVXH LSfV88Thal7kds5Xf0OlLrZiXRiRG2V6ut9a+7OE72dEnMhCLS/5EDDMdS8xE0qCEJNk Zw2o4fdJrGt6v5Z/00SbUZ8yyaB/DVmeQcpQHCcjLCro7s3SoqgZ1n0cv5gqUKr53zHf QGDg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FFE1ADE.6070307@cruzio.com> References: <4FFE1ADE.6070307@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 20:51:40 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Recommendations for a new loop pedal... From: Siobahn Hotaling To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9cfcdb8dbd45304c4975d9f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 00:51:41 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9cfcdb8dbd45304c4975d9f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks to all for your suggestions so far.... I am going to check out Mobius fir sure. That said - Does anyone have any thoughts about the Jamman Stereo specifically? Would that be a possible solution? On Jul 11, 2012 8:31 PM, "Rick Walker" wrote: > On 7/11/12 2:17 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > >> Mobius can do pre-recorded loops. Whether this is easy or not is >> debatable, but basically you would start by using the File->Load Loop menu >> item to load loops into one or more tracks. Then use File->Save Project to >> save the whole thing as a project so you don't have to repeat loading the >> individual files. Then when you're ready to perform use File->Load Project >> to bring them all back, or use a script to load the project and bind that >> to a footswitch. >> >> Now set up footswitches to trigger the loops wherever they are. >> > Thanks, Jeff, pardon my ignorance on the subject. > > much respect, Rick > > --14dae9cfcdb8dbd45304c4975d9f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks to all for your suggestions so far.... I am going to check out Mo= bius fir sure. That said - Does anyone have any thoughts about the Jamman S= tereo specifically? Would that be a possible solution?

On Jul 11, 2012 8:31 PM, "Rick Walker"= <looppool@cruzio.com> wro= te:
On 7/11/12 2:17 PM, Jeff Larson wrote:
Mobius can do pre-recorded loops. =A0Whether this is easy or not is debatab= le, but basically you would start by using the File->Load Loop menu item= to load loops into one or more tracks. =A0Then use File->Save Project t= o save the whole thing as a project so you don't have to repeat loading= the individual files. =A0Then when you're ready to perform use File-&g= t;Load Project to bring them all back, or use a script to load the project = and bind that to a footswitch.

Now set up footswitches to trigger the loops wherever they are.
Thanks, Jeff, =A0pardon my ignorance on the subject.

much respect, =A0Rick

--14dae9cfcdb8dbd45304c4975d9f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 02:35:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73671183462; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 02:35:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FFE37DB.4070006@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 19:35:07 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Davignon CC: Loopers Delight Subject: Re: Re: Remix? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 02:35:15 +0000 (UTC) On 7/11/12 4:32 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > One of my favorite things to do is to bring a > song down to half speed, then time-compress it to its original length. > The song is totally recognizeable, but the rhythm gets noticeably > changed, due to the bits taken out. Cool creative technique, Matt. What software do you recommend for doing this, Matt? By the way, there is an amazing piece of freeware software (I think it's called Paulstretch) for PCs that can radically stretch audio. I love playing a string instrument arpeggio or some tuned bells and then stretch a 20 second phrase out to 3 or 4 minutes. It creates a beautiful, yet ever changing harmonically consonant ambient track. I wish there was something that could do this in real time, but I imagine it might be to CPU intensive to do this in real time. rick walker ps I read once that Richard James (aka Aphex Twin) was paid to do a remix of Depeche Mode or some other famous band.........that he didn't like the song at all so he compressed it over and over until it was just a burst of noise that he used as a backbeat and wrote his own track around it, submitting it as a 'remix'. This cracked me up seriously. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 05:53:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E0F6183462; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 05:53:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=vOKbHswoBj7L1STFfPgfZmJYE+gDbnH0XkltkAffJGo=; b=U2HsAS3mAo6mDCvwNlK9/mqWYbzh6a924jfX4kH3bdH6DL6W6+mHceyYCa8H7OwwCG BS2W4Zw2JVVqrRC1YDvm/3cBbXDYIEhifQFEQKSOavyPMAviQq9Qp8ArjRvhuuX8vvlT 49/5sR2ZYIzZXhhlU6NZiyi9xF5Qf7qRq4vRax8NBhKWucaOMW777u3hZmZ39CmA5ToB kMLZcbLnoIOOhQkt8Em5s1bdmxBJ/Tbj/se+fMShEsgRagiFMOu10jKO5mOr5ZYmG5vE 3hCigcVvc5v8G1MaRLmhuKVAVleonfcxzdeawwODOjeesuqZyiOIIv3RE8UzzHRTPI6X H3Xg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FFE37DB.4070006@cruzio.com> References: <4FFE37DB.4070006@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 22:53:15 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Remix? From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 05:53:16 +0000 (UTC) I use the Time Stretch that comes with Sony Sound Forge. It's kind of a rough one, but I'm ok with that. A friend of mine showed me a timestretch she did on some Mac software, and it was much smoother. I'm actually not that impressed with Paulstretch - it's too reverby, and makes everything sound like Tim Hecker, rather than a stretched out version of what they originally were. Also, Paulstretch doesn't let you pick the exact final length - instead you have to calculate how many x the original gets the length you want. (So 1.5 x a 2 minute track makes 3 minutes.) -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 7/11/12 4:32 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: >> >> One of my favorite things to do is to bring a >> song down to half speed, then time-compress it to its original length. >> The song is totally recognizeable, but the rhythm gets noticeably >> changed, due to the bits taken out. > > Cool creative technique, Matt. > > What software do you recommend for doing this, Matt? > > By the way, there is an amazing piece of freeware software (I think it's > called > Paulstretch) for PCs that can radically stretch audio. > > I love playing a string instrument arpeggio or some tuned bells and then > stretch a 20 second phrase out to 3 or 4 minutes. > > It creates a beautiful, yet ever changing harmonically consonant ambient > track. > I wish there was something that could do this in real time, but I imagine it > might be > to CPU intensive to do this in real time. > > rick walker > > ps I read once that Richard James (aka Aphex Twin) was paid to do a remix > of Depeche Mode or some other famous band.........that he didn't like the > song at all > so he compressed it over and over until it was just a burst of noise that he > used as > a backbeat and wrote his own track around it, submitting it as a 'remix'. > This cracked me up seriously. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 07:56:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19768183462; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 07:56:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=ciRk6lOSNPCNUoeeF2+EAIvSL9QVcSRtW4L+ekaiZDI=; b=xuZGEE2XDM6FbwsjRwURHE3ZQR4wJg0AVTyHP3/VzpOnRy3yzd3GGbTee07pf370/Q nIyICxmMtNP6mG3+2amVKP49QAhJuicv+yVcgNd6Y8qSqhUK+VEHdkfkSTCjOPMwvdyE NSsufwhyZWfe6i7/zZooxs5ZEVMofi3CE6sZ5Bu3dA8Cdbzk9cTx+Zi90032x+QZNLMc BDHRyXSc5BzWjN+riqTLG2Lea3rOW0OXGw9qWG7vYqfIvi/vZMGVulpUy5KSemauzYEZ XpNPITzU5xk8mNGO+lOa7QQ7u8lZKmFFDpK2+anRu5VllI4otQ7YXF+9SHdxfdvUKUTd SyUw== References: <838E6048-6502-477D-8629-13EC399E6F7A@gmail.com> <4FFDEF3F.9080307@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4FFDEF3F.9080307@cruzio.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-279A60E6-5006-4C31-8C1E-1A4D6DAD016C Message-Id: Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B176) From: F_Anile Subject: Re: Recommendations for a new loop pedal... Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 09:56:24 +0200 To: Rick Walker Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 07:56:30 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-279A60E6-5006-4C31-8C1E-1A4D6DAD016C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >=20 >=20 > Fabio, will Mobius save pre-recorded loops (like drum loops) that you loa= d in and play live as Siobahn mentioned? > I wasn't aware that it had that capability but you know it and I don't. Yes, it's what I do nowdays. I have "projects" file that I recall in Mobius with just 1 click and it load= s the 8 tracks with all the configurations I need, plus a few prerecorded lo= ops. That loads also volume, pan setting and state of the tracks (mute on/o= ff, for example). Inside Bidule I drive the audio output of each track from mobius to a mixer a= nd from here I can record the sum of all tracks/loops or each single track/l= oop/live playing in different files that later can be easily exported and mi= xed. >=20 > Also, it should probably be good to mention that Siobahn may have to do a c= lean install of the Macbook Pro to install > Mobius as, to my knowldege, one can only run it on a Windows Operating Sys= tem and not Mac OSX. That hasn't > changed has it? Yes ! A Mac version is avalilable too. >=20 > When I looked into it last, you actually have to do a clean install in or= der to set up a dual boot system on a Macbook Pro. >=20 > You will also need dedicated Midi pedals ($150 USD on upwards) and a dedic= ated break out box with a sound card that also has Midi I/O ($100 upwar= ds to $1500) to control Mobius which, itself, is free. Surely, you need an audio interface and a midi controller. I think it's money well spended and today you have a lot of cheap products o= ut of here, as the korg NANO series. Personally, I have an RME FF400 as audio interface; a nanokontrol and an FCB= 1010 as MIDI controller. Recently I've started using my old Kaoss Pad II as a midi controller too, to= send midi messages to my piano, so I can get treat its sound in real time. -f >=20 --Apple-Mail-279A60E6-5006-4C31-8C1E-1A4D6DAD016C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8




Fabio, will Mobius save  pre-recorded l= oops (like drum loops) that you load in and play live as Siobahn mentioned?<= /span>
I wasn't aware that it had that capability but you know it a= nd I don't.


= Yes, it's what I do nowdays.
I have "projects" file that I recall i= n Mobius with just 1 click and it loads the 8 tracks with all the configurat= ions I need, plus a few prerecorded loops. That loads also volume, pan setti= ng  and state of the tracks (mute on/off, for example).
Insid= e Bidule I drive the audio output of each track from mobius to a mixer and f= rom here I can record the sum of all tracks/loops or each single track/loop/= live playing in different files that later can be easily exported and mixed.=



Also, it should probably be good to mention that Siobahn may have to do a= clean install of the Macbook Pro to install
Mobius as, to m= y knowldege, one can only run it on a Windows Operating System and not Mac O= SX.   That hasn't
changed has it?
=

Yes ! A Mac version is avalilable too.

When I looked into it last, &= nbsp;you actually have to do a clean install in order to set up a dual boot s= ystem on a Macbook Pro.

You will also need d= edicated Midi pedals ($150 USD on upwards) and a dedicated break out box wit= h a sound card that also has Midi I/O      ($100 up= wards to $1500) to control Mobius which, itself, is free.

Surely, you need an audio interface and a mid= i controller.
 I think it's money well spended and today you h= ave a lot of cheap products out of here, as the korg NANO series.
= Personally, I have an RME FF400 as audio interface; a nanokontrol and an FCB= 1010 as MIDI controller.
Recently I've started using my old Kaoss P= ad II as a midi controller too, to send midi messages to my piano, so I can g= et treat its sound in real time.

-f

= --Apple-Mail-279A60E6-5006-4C31-8C1E-1A4D6DAD016C-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 08:03:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 005B4183460; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 08:03:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=zfv06TM4/VDjLDabey9IdqZLBU8hz/EShITgO8qdSLk=; b=Gv56CV92+QN1dMFVvCCX+TlQXtQbfbb2SYUGfsMQ6ttJwBGFvGkAmIB51HTxZAfS05 2BGQysuWQxXr1wHsTMwlDfYcX7Id/j6gYLIIl7cqSKTte53tWPa8pNSnKmdMnYWUnT1f AD5mXgW13utzoBVa18YnTVIC/v4TcnzOmyfktAmUzhE8uSKMNaObjMJDyiHoyVf7DPpu sYQ7NjbCbTk8Pi0qLZG1rJk5QNgCSMPu7qijl8QyTC2770viH0vFwtp9Uychl1DBw5hp c7YDEHIX2B6eNMGfwK4/ECvWqxFrN6+kYUo/nLNxNqqIyDIOvFALgYdnphN/qiTmHptm QCjg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120711221956.5452.18459.levelstar.mail@everest> References: <20120711221956.5452.18459.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 10:03:02 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Remix? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <87lfW.A.faH.3So_PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 08:03:03 +0000 (UTC) Not as the main part of my work in music, but I have made some remixes on special request form a record label. Remixing was more common in the nineties since labels used it as a promotional method; hire a remix artist to get the artist's name branded in wider circles. Many producers today work with traditional remix techniques but I would say it is now rather the norm than "remix artistry". Cutups, extended time stretching, clocked filtering etc etc Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:19 AM, Tyler wrote: > Hello, everybody! Are any of you remix artists? People who take existing (usually popular) > recordings, and sample and loop over them? Almost all my life, I've treated remix artists like > looping artists, because of their use of looping. Most remix artists are a type of looping artist, in my > opinion. Are there any remixers here? > Tyler Z > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 09:05:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B3C1183464; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 09:05:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0991243423==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120712090529.13467.18459.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 05:05:32 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: Re: Remix? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 09:05:34 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0991243423== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=20rarely=20have=20access=20to=20audio=20editing=20software,=20but=20when= =20I=20do,=20it's=20Studio=20Recorder=20from=20APH=20 (www.aph.org).=20APH=20is=20the=20American=20Printing=20House=20for=20the= =20Blind.=20I'm=20one=20of=20very=20few=20blind=20 loopers,=20but=20SR=20sure=20makes=20studio=20stuff=20easy.=20It=20can't=20= do=20everything,=20though.=20I=20could=20jump=20on=20 ol'=20Audacity=20for=20a=20while! Tyler=20Z On=20Wed,=2011=20Jul=202012=2022:53:15=20-0700,=20Matt=20Davignon=20wrote: >I=20use=20the=20Time=20Stretch=20that=20comes=20with=20Sony=20Sound=20Forg= e.=20It's=20kind=20of >a=20rough=20one,=20but=20I'm=20ok=20with=20that.=20A=20friend=20of=20mine= =20showed=20me=20a >timestretch=20she=20did=20on=20some=20Mac=20software,=20and=20it=20was=20m= uch=20smoother. > >I'm=20actually=20not=20that=20impressed=20with=20Paulstretch=20-=20it's=20= too=20reverby, >and=20makes=20everything=20sound=20like=20Tim=20Hecker,=20rather=20than=20= a=20stretched >out=20version=20of=20what=20they=20originally=20were.=20Also,=20Paulstretc= h=20doesn't >let=20you=20pick=20the=20exact=20final=20length=20-=20instead=20you=20have= =20to=20calculate >how=20many=20x=20the=20original=20gets=20the=20length=20you=20want.=20(So= =201.5=20x=20a=202=20minute >track=20makes=203=20minutes.) > > > >--=20 >Matt=20Davignon >mattdavignon@gmail.com >www.ribosomemusic.com >Podcast!=20http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > > >On=20Wed,=20Jul=2011,=202012=20at=207:35=20PM,=20Rick=20Walker=20=20wrote: >>On=207/11/12=204:32=20PM,=20Matt=20Davignon=20wrote: >>> >>>One=20of=20my=20favorite=20things=20to=20do=20is=20to=20bring=20a >>>song=20down=20to=20half=20speed,=20then=20time-compress=20it=20to=20its= =20original=20length. >>>The=20song=20is=20totally=20recognizeable,=20but=20the=20rhythm=20gets= =20noticeably >>>changed,=20due=20to=20the=20bits=20taken=20out. >> >>Cool=20creative=20technique,=20Matt. >> >>What=20software=20do=20you=20recommend=20for=20doing=20this,=20=20Matt? >> >>By=20the=20way,=20=20there=20is=20an=20amazing=20piece=20of=20freeware=20= software=20(I=20think=20it's >>called >>Paulstretch)=20for=20PCs=20that=20can=20radically=20stretch=20audio. >> >>I=20love=20playing=20a=20string=20instrument=20arpeggio=20or=20some=20tun= ed=20bells=20and=20then >>stretch=20a=2020=20second=20phrase=20out=20to=203=20or=204=20minutes. >> >>It=20creates=20a=20beautiful,=20yet=20ever=20changing=20harmonically=20co= nsonant=20ambient >>track. >>I=20wish=20there=20was=20something=20that=20could=20do=20this=20in=20real= =20time,=20but=20I=20imagine=20it >>might=20be >>to=20CPU=20intensive=20to=20do=20this=20in=20real=20time. >> >>rick=20walker >> >>ps=20=20I=20read=20once=20that=20Richard=20James=20(aka=20Aphex=20Twin)= =20was=20paid=20to=20do=20a=20remix >>of=20Depeche=20Mode=20or=20some=20other=20famous=20band.........that=20he= =20didn't=20like=20the >>song=20at=20all >>so=20he=20compressed=20it=20over=20and=20over=20until=20it=20was=20just= =20a=20burst=20of=20noise=20that=20he >>used=20as >>a=20backbeat=20and=20wrote=20his=20own=20track=20around=20it,=20submittin= g=20it=20as=20a=20'remix'. >>This=20cracked=20me=20up=20seriously. >> --===============0991243423==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 09:47:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 784F618345E; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 09:47:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FFE9D1A.2000709@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 02:47:06 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: F_Anile CC: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Y2K13 International Live Looping Festival expands to 8 countries next summer: PLEASE JOIN, Fabio!!!!! References: <838E6048-6502-477D-8629-13EC399E6F7A@gmail.com> <4FFDEF3F.9080307@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030408010601090107030205" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 09:47:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030408010601090107030205 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 7/12/12 12:56 AM, F_Anile wrote: > *Awesome setup, bro. thanks for sharing it. > Now that it's ported to Mac, I can start recommending it, highly to > some of my students and may even begin using it myself (though, I"m > such a dedicated hardware guy). > > I look forward to hearing your new setup. Perhaps at the Rome Live > Looping Festival (the one coordinated with 8 other countries for next > years huge Y2K13 International Live Looping Festival. I've got > Firenze, Milano, Berlin, Koln, possibly Munchen, London, Norwich lined > up with possibles in Scandinavia as well, and Singapore, Tokyo, Osaka > and possibly Ubud, Bali, somewhere in Thailan and Kuala Lumpur, > Malaysia lined up as well. > It's going to be epic!!!! I hope you will consider doing at least a > small festival in Rome. We want to coordinate to have all European > festivals occur within two or possibly three weeks of each other in > July so that foreign artists can afford to hit all of them in order.* > Much love, Rick > > >> >> >> Fabio, will Mobius save pre-recorded loops (like drum loops) that >> you load in and play live as Siobahn mentioned? >> I wasn't aware that it had that capability but you know it and I don't. > > > Yes, it's what I do nowdays. > I have "projects" file that I recall in Mobius with just 1 click and > it loads the 8 tracks with all the configurations I need, plus a few > prerecorded loops. That loads also volume, pan setting and state of > the tracks (mute on/off, for example). > Inside Bidule I drive the audio output of each track from mobius to a > mixer and from here I can record the sum of all tracks/loops or each > single track/loop/live playing in different files that later can be > easily exported and mixed. > > >> >> Also, it should probably be good to mention that Siobahn may have to >> do a clean install of the Macbook Pro to install >> Mobius as, to my knowldege, one can only run it on a Windows >> Operating System and not Mac OSX. That hasn't >> changed has it? > > Yes ! A Mac version is avalilable too. >> >> When I looked into it last, you actually have to do a clean install >> in order to set up a dual boot system on a Macbook Pro. >> >> You will also need dedicated Midi pedals ($150 USD on upwards) and a >> dedicated break out box with a sound card that also has Midi I/O >> ($100 upwards to $1500) to control Mobius which, itself, is free. > > Surely, you need an audio interface and a midi controller. > I think it's money well spended and today you have a lot of cheap > products out of here, as the korg NANO series. > Personally, I have an RME FF400 as audio interface; a nanokontrol and > an FCB1010 as MIDI controller. > Recently I've started using my old Kaoss Pad II as a midi controller > too, to send midi messages to my piano, so I can get treat its sound > in real time. > > -f >> * * --------------030408010601090107030205 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
On 7/12/12 12:56 AM, F_Anile wrote:
Awesome setup, bro.  thanks for sharing it.
Now that it's ported to Mac, I can start recommending it, highly to some of my students and may even  begin using it myself (though, I"m such a dedicated hardware guy).

I look forward to hearing your new setup.   Perhaps at the Rome Live Looping Festival (the one coordinated with 8 other countries for next years huge Y2K13 International Live Looping Festival.  I've got Firenze, Milano, Berlin, Koln, possibly Munchen, London, Norwich lined up with possibles in Scandinavia as well,  and Singapore, Tokyo, Osaka and possibly Ubud, Bali, somewhere in Thailan and Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia lined up as well.
It's going to be epic!!!!  I hope you will consider doing at least a small festival in Rome.  We want to coordinate to have all European festivals occur within two or possibly three weeks of each other in July so that foreign artists can afford to hit all of them in order.
   Much love,  Rick




Fabio, will Mobius save  pre-recorded loops (like drum loops) that you load in and play live as Siobahn mentioned?
I wasn't aware that it had that capability but you know it and I don't.


Yes, it's what I do nowdays.
I have "projects" file that I recall in Mobius with just 1 click and it loads the 8 tracks with all the configurations I need, plus a few prerecorded loops. That loads also volume, pan setting  and state of the tracks (mute on/off, for example).
Inside Bidule I drive the audio output of each track from mobius to a mixer and from here I can record the sum of all tracks/loops or each single track/loop/live playing in different files that later can be easily exported and mixed.



Also, it should probably be good to mention that Siobahn may have to do a clean install of the Macbook Pro to install
Mobius as, to my knowldege, one can only run it on a Windows Operating System and not Mac OSX.   That hasn't
changed has it?

Yes ! A Mac version is avalilable too.

When I looked into it last,  you actually have to do a clean install in order to set up a dual boot system on a Macbook Pro.

You will also need dedicated Midi pedals ($150 USD on upwards) and a dedicated break out box with a sound card that also has Midi I/O      ($100 upwards to $1500) to control Mobius which, itself, is free.

Surely, you need an audio interface and a midi controller.
 I think it's money well spended and today you have a lot of cheap products out of here, as the korg NANO series.
Personally, I have an RME FF400 as audio interface; a nanokontrol and an FCB1010 as MIDI controller.
Recently I've started using my old Kaoss Pad II as a midi controller too, to send midi messages to my piano, so I can get treat its sound in real time.

-f




--------------030408010601090107030205-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 10:06:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0914B18345D; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 10:06:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <4FFE1ADE.6070307@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Recommendations for a new loop pedal... In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Patrick Bishop X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CF2E2D1D3D3EC1_1524_1A0D76_webmail-m023.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36542-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CF2E2D1D2EF675-1524-75F25@webmail-m023.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [69.183.244.225] Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 06:06:18 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1342087579; bh=Zm8NmGkbEgdZhtZmUyx4onndUGNijNTBlMtJ3fc2T9I=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FhpLrWrCcdp/tKX8aIE8Ss3bXOq9PGHrlqBS29GeKsE8OjmEE4E+EEceoBu/0IUOd FPdwg8/iU+xzfMeXvjbvdHEBtW9ElTc8wH/IA81BApHR4LBBKnwVpBgJmsAfPlLnEY K52P1Uj2WvhHp2IDQaCoZ6QBxj8Nt5cEzVN+t+Wo= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:481168352:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29494ffea19b3306 Resent-Message-ID: <_-g4WC.A.jX.cGq_PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 10:06:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CF2E2D1D3D3EC1_1524_1A0D76_webmail-m023.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have two different Jamman Pedals and they can store a huge amount of loop= s if you upgrade the memory. Neither are stereo though.=20 PJ -----Original Message----- From: Siobahn Hotaling To: Loopers-Delight Sent: Wed, Jul 11, 2012 8:51 pm Subject: Re: Re: Recommendations for a new loop pedal... Thanks to all for your suggestions so far.... I am going to check out Mobiu= s fir sure. That said - Does anyone have any thoughts about the Jamman Ster= eo specifically? Would that be a possible solution?=20 On Jul 11, 2012 8:31 PM, "Rick Walker" wrote: On 7/11/12 2:17 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: Mobius can do pre-recorded loops. Whether this is easy or not is debatable= , but basically you would start by using the File->Load Loop menu item to l= oad loops into one or more tracks. Then use File->Save Project to save the= whole thing as a project so you don't have to repeat loading the individua= l files. Then when you're ready to perform use File->Load Project to bring= them all back, or use a script to load the project and bind that to a foot= switch. Now set up footswitches to trigger the loops wherever they are. Thanks, Jeff, pardon my ignorance on the subject. much respect, Rick =20 ----------MB_8CF2E2D1D3D3EC1_1524_1A0D76_webmail-m023.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I h= ave two different Jamman Pedals and they can store a huge amount of loops i= f you upgrade the memory. Neither are stereo though. 

PJ


Thanks to all for your suggestions so far.... I am going to check out = Mobius fir sure. That said - Does anyone have any thoughts about the Jamman= Stereo specifically? Would that be a possible solution?
On Jul 11, 2012 8:31 PM, "Rick Walker" <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
On 7/11/12 2:17 PM, Jeff Larson wrote:
Mobius can do pre-recorded loops.  Whether this is easy or not is deba= table, but basically you would start by using the File->Load Loop menu i= tem to load loops into one or more tracks.  Then use File->Save Pro= ject to save the whole thing as a project so you don't have to repeat loadi= ng the individual files.  Then when you're ready to perform use File-&= gt;Load Project to bring them all back, or use a script to load the project= and bind that to a footswitch.

Now set up footswitches to trigger the loops wherever they are.
Thanks, Jeff,  pardon my ignorance on the subject.

much respect,  Rick

----------MB_8CF2E2D1D3D3EC1_1524_1A0D76_webmail-m023.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 11:25:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42E1E183464; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 11:25:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 11:25:54 +0000 (UTC) From: Christophe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <202046821.1195486.1342092354606.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1195485_888546637.1342092354605" X-Originating-IP: [71.232.101.166] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 11:25:54 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1195485_888546637.1342092354605 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Uncalled for and unfair. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark francombe" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 5:25:08 PM Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream ...shame they turned out so shit in the end... ------=_Part_1195485_888546637.1342092354605 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Uncalled for and unfair.


From: "mark francombe" <mark@markfrancombe.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 5:25:08 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream


...shame they turned out so shit in the end...


------=_Part_1195485_888546637.1342092354605-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 11:54:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDC8A183464; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 11:54:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=8wo9WZnzoIv3lgeebUKkxBiHmV7WHcxMobFidTAFf9I=; b=U6oCVFEJcfhClu1Xo7MZQo8BViYLlj59IyMysIViNSnBavh0YS4tNlKj2aGoIvjJnd AY3ajrbRu+/1F/VBi2fvQtCGVKPlJ15BBVK44l/JifibGKq0gcIHYSAfwWrm6Ob4gle9 tGniVtg/cptQqy29XVtVNjvyExRlMOOfGsnlPid81+K+fIgRqCG/vUc7QTDmfZrGp+qT C3F+Ur+iitX2HTT2oky3kw3u/IXevN81RhXSHc2u5CiFJNLEqTR1kyirTSp+cPKMvvSa L+FUTgsfkE9qm2tvZNcbODuPW04BEQZtWgPhEz2zFjbBfYgrf+WoL+eetz0zxLjdjTl2 XLpg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FFE9D1A.2000709@cruzio.com> References: <838E6048-6502-477D-8629-13EC399E6F7A@gmail.com> <4FFDEF3F.9080307@cruzio.com> <4FFE9D1A.2000709@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 13:54:18 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Y2K13 International Live Looping Festival expands to 8 countries next summer: PLEASE JOIN, Fabio!!!!! From: Fabio_A To: Rick Walker Cc: "" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b33cc209fc57e04c4a09f05 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 11:54:19 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b33cc209fc57e04c4a09f05 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Perhaps in Rome ??? For sure ! I'll start organizing things in autumn. Count on Rome !!! -f *I look forward to hearing your new setup. Perhaps at the Rome Live > Looping Festival (the one coordinated with 8 other countries for next years > huge Y2K13 International Live Looping Festival. I've got Firenze, Milano, > Berlin, Koln, possibly Munchen, London, Norwich lined up with possibles in > Scandinavia as well, and Singapore, Tokyo, Osaka and possibly Ubud, Bali, > somewhere in Thailan and Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia lined up as well. > It's going to be epic!!!! I hope you will consider doing at least a small > festival in Rome. We want to coordinate to have all European festivals > occur within two or possibly three weeks of each other in July so that > foreign artists can afford to hit all of them in order.* Much love, > Rick > > --047d7b33cc209fc57e04c4a09f05 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Perhaps in Rome ???=A0For sure !=A0
I'll start organizing things in autumn.
Count on Rome !!!<= /div>

-f



I look forward= to hearing your new setup.=A0=A0 Perhaps at the Rome Live Looping Festival (the one coordinated with 8 other countries for next years huge Y2K13 International Live Looping Festival.=A0 I've got Firenze, Milano, Berli= n, Koln, possibly Munchen, London, Norwich lined up with possibles in Scandinavia as well,=A0 and Singapore, Tokyo, Osaka and possibly Ubud, Bali, somewhere in Thailan and Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia lined up as well.
It's going to be epic!!!!=A0 I hope you will consider doi= ng at least a small festival in Rome.=A0 We want to coordinate to have all European festivals occur within two or possibly three weeks of each other in July so that foreign artists can afford to hit all of them in order.
=A0=A0 Much love,=A0 Rick

--047d7b33cc209fc57e04c4a09f05-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 12:39:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86A5418345D; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 12:39:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=RaugPbqKQPWNILiNXC0XJz9RH1sWrPvNI7ocR81XTdw=; b=cNyb1QKsoGqV5Kg48N44jV2SJmdrgJpn02RhdG6O4cFvMAC+7l7Ojoz/Bpi0URgU9B FPTGwrNoc7Sy+EqOqb89fSgD3EZgYAdmRF4uWKNqSf18ar3cWLw1zbAvzWFlLvxSUiX6 yIsJYJ9LL1USCYLFIy+sEJB1Y0RnsvlDTicGXxcOGaMC4G+E4Zcpso0nty7pyIjRbLMY WVtVPe60jXWyxVOSSkcHPhl5lM5zIV17B2GULDL5Ezf6GkHllWHtypfV8JKfsipb5lt6 8bflwMOcgVE/mBpgqDU9hI2bX5C/Nnn0xwfkL+o9o18NWgxJhvw/zWkrVaBYJoEr8HPM yv2w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <1909209164.1103165.1341928420937.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <713DEE81-DFE8-4C0F-BFCA-99CAA0EC255E@ubergadget.com> <1342045519.39580.YahooMailNeo@web160704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 14:39:33 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: jCZItIjEdpY2DXS687kPpznwC2k Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec539688eab350304c4a142a7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 12:39:55 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec539688eab350304c4a142a7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Christophe cburke55@comcast.net via markfrancombe.com 1:25 PM (1 hour ago) to Loopers-Delight Uncalled for and unfair. YIKES, I replied to my original post privately to Paul, meant it for the group...posted it below... I think I tried to explain why I used the "shit" word... seems to have exposed a few nerves... On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 1:42 AM, mark francombe wro= te: > On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:25 AM, Paul Richards < > paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> (shame they turned out so shit in the end...) >> Harsh, man, harsh. Anything they may have evolved into is covered by >> their earlier successes. I mean, hell man, I heard Ringo Starr recently >> discussing his songwriting process using the song Backoff Boogaloo as an >> example. Not 'xactly a song for the ages. >> >> P >> > > Ha ha ha! Oops! Sorry! Im really not sure what the Backoff Boogaloo thing was supposed to prove? Er.. Ringo wasnt exactly KNOWN for his er... "song" writing... I can only think of Obladi and Yellow Sub Marine... oops... I think I only sounded harsh cos I used an expletive, that often seems to offend Americans more than Europeans, I dont know why, (less religious perhaps, maybe Americans are more worried about offending, in case of law suits? ..OK kidding now... but there IS some cultural difference here...) anyway we=B4re all grown-ups here arnt we? OK, I admit I was not writing a review here, just expressing a personal opinion, to me, "The Tangs" have sounded like elevator music for the last 15 years... and if you say something like "Well they proved them selves by their earlier works so they are allowed to be crap now without anyone mentioning it.. well thats a bit silly .. right? Do you LIKE what they do now, if so, argue with me... tell me why!!! Personally I think its shit... but that in NO WAY takes away, for me, how I feel about Ph=E6dra or Rubicon... Which are 2 or the darkest, moodiest, scariest, most gothic albums I have ever owned... No wonder they sound good in churches!!! Despite the "shit" comment, Tangerine Dream are one of my favorite bands ever... Oh, just a small point Paul, can you remember to edit your mails so they dont keep the whole thread, it can be a bit annoying for the Digest users.. (Er.. Rick) Just the last relevant post is OK with most.. cheers Mark --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --bcaec539688eab350304c4a142a7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Uncalled for and unfair.

YIKES, I replied = to my original post privately to Paul, meant it for the group...posted it b= elow...
I think I tried to explain why I used the "shit" wor= d... seems to have exposed a few nerves...

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 1:42 AM, mark franco= mbe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:25 AM, Paul Richards <paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com> wrote:
(shame they turned out so shit in the= end...)
Harsh, man, harsh. Anything they may have evolved = into is covered by their earlier successes. I mean, hell man, I heard Ringo= Starr recently discussing his songwriting process using the song Backoff B= oogaloo as an example. Not 'xactly a song for the ages.

P

Ha ha ha! Oops! Sorry= !
Im really not sure what the Backoff=20 Boogaloo thing was supposed to prove? Er.. Ringo wasnt exactly KNOWN for his er... "song" writing... I can only think of Obladi and Yello= w Sub=20 Marine... oops...

I think I only sounded harsh cos I used an expletive, that often seems to o= ffend Americans more than Europeans, I dont know why, (less religious perha= ps, maybe Americans are more worried about offending, in case of law suits?= ..OK kidding now... but there IS some cultural difference here...) anyway = we=B4re all=20 grown-ups here arnt we?
OK, I admit I was not writing a review here, ju= st=20 expressing a personal opinion, to me, "The Tangs" have sounded li= ke=20 elevator music for the last 15 years... and if you say something like=20 "Well they proved them selves by their earlier works so they are allow= ed to be crap now without anyone mentioning it.. well thats a bit silly .. right?

Do you LIKE what they do now, if so, argue with me... tell me why!!!=20 Personally I think its shit... but that in NO WAY takes away, for me,=20 how I feel about Ph=E6dra or Rubicon... Which are 2 or the darkest,=20 moodiest, scariest, most gothic albums I have ever owned... No wonder=20 they sound good in churches!!!
Despite the "shit" comment, Tan= gerine Dream are one of my favorite bands ever...

Oh, just a small = point Paul, can you remember to edit your mails so=20 they dont keep the whole thread, it can be a bit annoying for the Digest users.. (Er.. Rick) Just the last relevant post is OK with most..

c= heers

Mark


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--bcaec539688eab350304c4a142a7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 14:27:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91CBC183464; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 14:27:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 14:27:45 +0000 (UTC) From: Christophe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <1824233058.1204487.1342103265614.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1204486_1532436523.1342103265539" X-Originating-IP: [146.243.4.157] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 14:27:45 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1204486_1532436523.1342103265539 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Mark, It wasn't the use of an expletive per se (believe me, Americans are as foul mouthed as anyone) as the tone of presumptive dismissiveness it implied, which, I thought was undeserved. As I noted in my original post, when you have a career 40+ years long there are going to be ups and downs. And true, it happens in my opinion too that in TD's case the earlier years really were their best (though who knows, a younger generation might find that music painfully dull). Also true, they have put out some undeniable clunkers along the way, mostly in the last 15 years or so. Nevertheless, there are still enough gems mixed in there even in the newer stuff that they don't deserve to be written off. I do agree with you though that it ain't what it used to be. But they had to evolve like everything else and sometimes it's for the better and sometimes not. And they do keep experimenting As to sounding like elevator music - well, when I heard, "We Are the Champions", in one I figured all bets are off. :-) Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark francombe" To: "loopers-delight" Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 8:39:33 AM Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream > YIKES, I replied to my original post privately to Paul, meant it for the group...posted it below... I think I tried to explain why I used the "shit" word... seems to have exposed a few nerves... ------=_Part_1204486_1532436523.1342103265539 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= div style=3D'font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>Hi Mark,<= br>
It wasn't the use of an expletive per se (believe me, Americans are = as foul mouthed as anyone) as the tone of presumptive dismissiveness it imp= lied, which, I thought was undeserved.

As I noted in my original pos= t, when you have a career 40+ years long there are going to be ups and down= s.  And true, it happens in my opinion too that in TD's case the earli= er years really were their best (though who knows, a younger generation mig= ht find that music painfully dull).  Also true, they have put out some= undeniable clunkers along the way, mostly in the last 15 years or so. = ; Nevertheless, there are still enough gems mixed in there even in the newe= r stuff that they don't deserve to be written off.  I do agree with yo= u though that it ain't what it used to be.  But they had to evolve lik= e everything else and sometimes it's for the better and sometimes not. = ; And they do keep experimenting

As to sounding like elevator music = - well, when I heard, "We Are the Champions", in one I figured all bets are= off. :-)

Chris


From: "mark francombe= " <mark@markfrancombe.com>
To: "loopers-delight" <Looper= s-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 8= :39:33 AM
Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream

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>YIKES, I replied to my original post = privately to Paul, meant it for the group...posted it below...
I think= I tried to explain why I used the "shit" word... seems to have exposed a f= ew nerves...


------=_Part_1204486_1532436523.1342103265539-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 15:10:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BB90183465; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 15:10:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=geeMM6iHVZfwIotynC9DWkhBN2rb0mAC+mzQPyh3Ybo=; b=AzSBrnSLyldiR0TDWnF5Cz+6VyuwDsQDNhfPk5BQEctN6UTfYZLnXhfiCjsMIx+5Db 2Oio0uLo0EC8qFgI/Ah3Jw4scNGXY5P3ZpXsosw6e+at8IGhK7X0zNL5uJN2GQXKaBag mFxmIlhn+7+fUiCC0kw3hig1Bvqjba5iwvv0iNa3q7X8PA7k57KEIW9lwrLCXy1I+4HI wkGQvHg/8rDwjN2y/TWNXHajsZrIXuGWCQVyu+bIvBQR2MYD8Ij8HXVoxYGcX2vhPJPg 9DD0OKUs6mXIUotpSo1y90xAsnTmH6V7hlvn83dcNSD0h4pTHUzle5YcY7OK7WtIJdNC lEGQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120712090529.13467.18459.levelstar.mail@everest> References: <20120712090529.13467.18459.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 11:10:51 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Remix? From: Jim Goodin To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54ee5988bec4304c4a35edb Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 15:10:53 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec54ee5988bec4304c4a35edb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On http://ImprovFriday.com we do a lot of 'mashing' which is in the remix camp though it's technique of layer different tracks together leaves possibly more to chance than calculated remix though there can be uncalculated remix I would think. I co-produced a recent release of mashed work on my net label with 4 other mash producers from the community. *ImprovFriday - Mash Blue* is freely available on Bandcamp at http://woodandwiremusic.bandcamp.com/. Jim On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 5:05 AM, Tyler wrote: > I rarely have access to audio editing software, but when I do, it's Studi= o > Recorder from APH > (www.aph.org). APH is the American Printing House for the Blind. I'm one > of very few blind > loopers, but SR sure makes studio stuff easy. It can't do everything, > though. I could jump on > ol' Audacity for a while! > Tyler Z > On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 22:53:15 -0700, Matt Davignon wrote: > > > >I use the Time Stretch that comes with Sony Sound Forge. It's kind of > >a rough one, but I'm ok with that. A friend of mine showed me a > >timestretch she did on some Mac software, and it was much smoother. > > > >I'm actually not that impressed with Paulstretch - it's too reverby, > >and makes everything sound like Tim Hecker, rather than a stretched > >out version of what they originally were. Also, Paulstretch doesn't > >let you pick the exact final length - instead you have to calculate > >how many x the original gets the length you want. (So 1.5 x a 2 minute > >track makes 3 minutes.) > > > > > > > >-- > >Matt Davignon > >mattdavignon@gmail.com > >www.ribosomemusic.com > >Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > > > > > >On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Rick Walker wrote= : > >>On 7/11/12 4:32 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > >>> > >>>One of my favorite things to do is to bring a > >>>song down to half speed, then time-compress it to its original length. > >>>The song is totally recognizeable, but the rhythm gets noticeably > >>>changed, due to the bits taken out. > >> > >>Cool creative technique, Matt. > >> > >>What software do you recommend for doing this, Matt? > >> > >>By the way, there is an amazing piece of freeware software (I think it= 's > >>called > >>Paulstretch) for PCs that can radically stretch audio. > >> > >>I love playing a string instrument arpeggio or some tuned bells and the= n > >>stretch a 20 second phrase out to 3 or 4 minutes. > >> > >>It creates a beautiful, yet ever changing harmonically consonant ambien= t > >>track. > >>I wish there was something that could do this in real time, but I > imagine it > >>might be > >>to CPU intensive to do this in real time. > >> > >>rick walker > >> > >>ps I read once that Richard James (aka Aphex Twin) was paid to do a > remix > >>of Depeche Mode or some other famous band.........that he didn't like t= he > >>song at all > >>so he compressed it over and over until it was just a burst of noise > that he > >>used as > >>a backbeat and wrote his own track around it, submitting it as a 'remix= '. > >>This cracked me up seriously. > >> > > --=20 --=20 *jimgoodin.com* - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minimalism' *The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music* - 'Organically inspired New Music' *From Brooklyn To Glindran *, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from this CD will benefit *JDRF International * *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. --bcaec54ee5988bec4304c4a35edb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On http://ImprovFriday.com=A0w= e do a lot of 'mashing' which is in the remix camp though it's = technique of layer different tracks together leaves possibly more to chance= than calculated remix though there can be uncalculated remix I would think= .
=A0
I co-produced a recent release of mashed work on my net = label=A0with 4 other mash producers from the=A0community.=A0 ImprovFrid= ay - Mash Blue is freely available on Bandcamp at http://woodandwiremusic.bandcamp.com/.
=A0
Jim

On Thu, Jul = 12, 2012 at 5:05 AM, Tyler <programmer651@comcast.net> wrote:
I rarely have access to audio editing software, but when I= do, it's Studio Recorder from APH
(www.aph.org). APH is = the American Printing House for the Blind. I'm one of very few blind loopers, but SR sure makes studio stuff easy. It can't do everything, t= hough. I could jump on
ol' Audacity for a while!
Tyler Z
On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 22:53:15 -0700,= Matt Davignon wrote:


>I use the Time Stretch that comes with Sony Sound Forge. It's kind = of
>a rough one, but I'm ok with that. A friend of mine showed me a
>timestretch she did on some Mac software, and it was much smoother.
>
>I'm actually not that impressed with Paulstretch - it's too rev= erby,
>and makes everything sound like Tim Hecker, rather than a stretched
>out version of what they originally were. Also, Paulstretch doesn't=
>let you pick the exact final length - instead you have to calculate
>how many x the original gets the length you want. (So 1.5 x a 2 minute<= br> >track makes 3 minutes.)
>
>
>
>--
>Matt Davignon
>mattdavignon@gmail.com >www.ribosome= music.com
>Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
>
>
>On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
>>On 7/11/12 4:32 PM, Matt Davignon wrote:
>>>
>>>One of my favorite things to do is to bring a
>>>song down to half speed, then time-compress it to its original = length.
>>>The song is totally recognizeable, but the rhythm gets noticeab= ly
>>>changed, due to the bits taken out.
>>
>>Cool creative technique, Matt.
>>
>>What software do you recommend for doing this, =A0Matt?
>>
>>By the way, =A0there is an amazing piece of freeware software (I th= ink it's
>>called
>>Paulstretch) for PCs that can radically stretch audio.
>>
>>I love playing a string instrument arpeggio or some tuned bells and= then
>>stretch a 20 second phrase out to 3 or 4 minutes.
>>
>>It creates a beautiful, yet ever changing harmonically consonant am= bient
>>track.
>>I wish there was something that could do this in real time, but I i= magine it
>>might be
>>to CPU intensive to do this in real time.
>>
>>rick walker
>>
>>ps =A0I read once that Richard James (aka Aphex Twin) was paid to d= o a remix
>>of Depeche Mode or some other famous band.........that he didn'= t like the
>>song at all
>>so he compressed it over and over until it was just a burst of nois= e that he
>>used as
>>a backbeat and wrote his own track around it, submitting it as a &#= 39;remix'.
>>This cracked me up seriously.
>>




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=A0
The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music=A0- 'Org= anically inspired New Music'
=A0
From Brooklyn To Gl= indran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter = Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from this CD will benefit JDRF International

Tips Across the Waters, a= new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.

--bcaec54ee5988bec4304c4a35edb-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 16:32:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D858A183464; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 16:32:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 775001.2677.bm@omp1011.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1342110771; bh=+M6djXm91jWOY4mAi2uaiopwYfYVTmlsZ7xSZhlD9Hg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JdvWx9KG+WCuD/9/Mc662rNLz1YHUPnIYAaWpvwC8sG4B/szN5uh0UQ6z5fIQZVn7/VwBBQqC8JxpMrM6Rj3kInxyTlzPt0mEiZ/5lMAE5Re+TCQ3J/oH6CutE67IIk6DGez4xTISuIUTtZnq+3zMY7PwKmDwVkvC1x8IMqcLXs= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YwvLIRwpqNgp50s3rCUWNl4Cy6uFD9tCKyoEfbZhQd/nUyzgg8hxWwL2uW278YDPZ2UNQLtzvjRZR/qfxR7hdYFSPnT+QeDEJHTxAQ264QBvLeLjMUcyrvA0lF58VCncL61ijlG3MSiGxOVXk4MM98TC0aV4rj7A4fqvRLmScOc=; X-YMail-OSG: BtieZscVM1mrnj4E87KG0tIC61WsIWAfmRGNxyUZoX59mp1 d.BPHQOy_q9tPLiVXYvSMZJHIQM6.R438wcMndhhthWRbppaMSJWHcUcPdp9 KGUmBxuNsBH0K2yKapAb0.WrTdrQKxWz9JfImhpWrBjKmS03H4hkppFWWywa pZY_QO1twJSdQMS2W2zbw0cmV1oi65OsnKnjKm_S0UkDFiYA4PWB5YHtpYLD Gz7cwm6y4LIEBPFdS1XySjp3vXy42DAlFPpr5QhPIFmX4gbwwFRrNSnJunvy ZAmesaJmkMAGJzBK1LqA59WrIwetfIzSb9FkTwPKkwYTwy2srCoZxhnPdDp0 ce77EHHiR6SdmP5aPtXNF_RyeE42HYxwQ_Z3KcfVRd7FZeeIPMHNpS8h4ans 8tokEfkpAkyA3yJv73_KBxudvTRh4po8s21cdzWfw9rvEINiTDYYwXG8TtvH 9ttC8M0cvXaWGKjvZifvUTD3BrsgZ3GX7rk3UxRf0_AV.3c1mt0NWVpyNjFT AlDZUeT9Dr7hMK7INIAJnOFykH5dQ318z1qpB54lk X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: <8E7EDCCC-6C70-4E17-9E11-9C4978426286@SIOBAHN.COM> Message-ID: <1342110771.32038.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 09:32:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Reply-To: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Recommendations for a new loop pedal... To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <8E7EDCCC-6C70-4E17-9E11-9C4978426286@SIOBAHN.COM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1929490892-279854241-1342110771=:32038" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 16:32:52 +0000 (UTC) --1929490892-279854241-1342110771=:32038 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hardware choices which i think will do what you want:=0AThe Digitech Jamman= stereo will do that,you can store backing tracks,your own loops etc.and th= ere is a software called jammanager to make workflow easy=0Ait has,reverse,= undo/redo and something like 99 slots to store wqhich you can easily scroll= through,i have it and=A0 thats plus its size is what was attractive for me= =0A=0AThe new RC-300 is very good though,you can also store loops or back.t= racks and it has 3 independent tracks which you can be of any length, stop = and start independently undo,redo,reverse and pre or post fx=0A=0Ayou can a= lso use it in "next track mode" to change between arrangments parts like wi= th the echoplex "next loop" function=0Aand offcourse mic input,instr input,= main outs and sub outs for monitor mix plus ann assignable exp pedal for in= dependent volume control,fx etx. is big for a pedalboard though!=0A=0Acheer= s=0ALuis=0A=0A=A0=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A__________= ______________________=0A From: Siobahn Hotaling =0ATo= : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 4:5= 9 PM=0ASubject: Recommendations for a new loop pedal...=0A =0AHi there -=0A= =0AI've used an Akai Headrush E2 for a couple of years for basic looping, b= ut I'm looking to change my live set in ways that the Akai can't support...= =0AI've pored over all of the specs of the various pedals out there and my = head is spinning.=A0 =0AWould anyone be willing to give their suggestion fo= r what would be best for the following:=0A=0A- I'm a singer/songwriter who = primarily uses an acoustic guitar.=0A- My biggest need: I want to be able t= o create drum loops prior to my shows to use as backup, so I want to be abl= e to access different pre-recorded loops easily (sometimes 2 or 3 different= loops within a song) and turn each one on and off easily.=A0 I will also b= e doing some on-the-fly vocal looping that I will need to be able to store = and turn on and off as well.=A0 Optimally, I want to do all of this using j= ust foot switches.=0A=0AI was looking at the Digitech Jamman Stereo or the = Delay, but I don't know if either one will absolutely do what I need, or if= there is one that is better suited for that?=0AIf not, I am also open to g= etting an Ipad and going the software route, or setting up my Macbook Pro a= s well...=0A=0AThanks so much for any suggestions anyone has for me! --1929490892-279854241-1342110771=:32038 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hardware c= hoices which i think will do what you want:
The Digi= tech Jamman stereo will do that,you can store backing tracks,your own loops= etc.and there is a software called jammanager to make workflow easy=
it has,reverse,undo/redo and something like 99 slots to st= ore wqhich you can easily scroll through,i have it and  thats plus its= size is what was attractive for me
The new RC-3= 00 is very good though,you can also store loops or back.tracks and it has 3= independent tracks which you can be of any length, stop and start independ= ently undo,redo,reverse and pre or post fx
you c= an also use it in "next track mode" to change between arrangments parts lik= e with the echoplex "next loop" function
and offcourse mic input,instr input,main outs and sub outs for monitor mix plu= s ann assignable exp pedal for independent volume control,fx etx. is big fo= r a pedalboard though!
cheers
<= span>Luis
 
http://www.myspace.com/luis= angulocom

From: Siobahn Hotaling <SIOBAHN@SIOBAHN.COM>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delig= ht.com
Sent: Wednesda= y, July 11, 2012 4:59 PM
Subject:= Recommendations for a new loop pedal...

= Hi there -

I've used an Akai Headrush E2 for a couple of years for basic loo= ping, but I'm looking to change my live set in ways that the Akai can't sup= port...
I've pored over all of the specs of the various pedals out there= and my head is spinning. 
Would anyone be willing to give their s= uggestion for what would be best for the following:

- I'm a singer/s= ongwriter who primarily uses an acoustic guitar.
- My biggest need: I wa= nt to be able to create drum loops prior to my shows to use as backup, so I= want to be able to access different pre-recorded loops easily (sometimes 2= or 3 different loops within a song) and turn each one on and off easily.&n= bsp; I will also be doing some on-the-fly vocal looping that I will need to= be able to store and turn on and off as well.  Optimally, I want to d= o all of this using just foot switches.

I was looking at the Digitec= h Jamman Stereo or the Delay, but I don't know if either one will absolutely do what I need, or if there is one that is better suited for th= at?
If not, I am also open to getting an Ipad and going the software rou= te, or setting up my Macbook Pro as well...

Thanks so much for any s= uggestions anyone has for me!






--1929490892-279854241-1342110771=:32038-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 17:04:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2257F183464; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:04:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FFF037E.9070601@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 13:03:58 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:04:07 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Radio Massacre International. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Lost in Transit 2 - National Space Centre 2005" on Northern Echo. Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org on the internet. Note: The WDIY website has changed and the Galactic Travels portion is gone. I am working this issue. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 17:14:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BFA96183465; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:14:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=JXVCM9DIbKhZUv9RL16QDiyce8Rgb7gm/bKkCZ5LFrc=; b=xmub3Dck4vC31gU+8U00VvUodC1qYBZOZN5TxoL+mk5fXHyRGTW0h46AnSrQbwIkan mhV+k0/zpQFb5aLWlw03Dk3m75OGw2KsghZXgwLoceUBJtLeUnaWz5A+NdqXXg+wEMvC FflBwKj9E2aNlwl/wEDdnDBfRI2masTXQCQSPlWQ0AQDFzGIpg+0wB3Y/xQPJFc3u5SJ IjjY1Qcj56L2n7pn6PxUudOL1oMMMEwYZloatit4qQtz2YNjwbGlPgPuLjWsz7tiwrzV JHx+acUSkraTI1C7eGuHL/E3NWe/VCgRTJocdEio432TxOM4BGv3hmmQV+28MUEVRL1e /sBg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120712090529.13467.18459.levelstar.mail@everest> References: <20120712090529.13467.18459.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 19:14:08 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Remix? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <-QR8gC.A.a9D.hXw_PB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:14:09 +0000 (UTC) Hey Tyler, can't you set up an audio application to use the computer system's built-in voice control? I have not tested that myself, so this is just a wild idea... That in combination with a vast key command setup could lead you quite far without the visual interface, I guess. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Tyler wrote: > I rarely have access to audio editing software, but when I do, it's Studio Recorder from APH > (www.aph.org). APH is the American Printing House for the Blind. I'm one of very few blind > loopers, but SR sure makes studio stuff easy. It can't do everything, though. I could jump on > ol' Audacity for a while! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 17:23:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0716C183464; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:23:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0991243423==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120712172337.25773.18459.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 13:23:38 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: Re: Remix? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:23:31 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0991243423== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=20don't=20know.=20I=20install=20screen=20reader=20with=20speech=20synthes= is=20software,=20and=20it=20reads=20to=20me=20what's=20 onscreen.=20I=20do=20all=20my=20commands=20via=20keyboard. Tyler=20Z On=20Thu,=2012=20Jul=202012=2019:14:08=20+0200,=20Per=20Boysen=20wrote: >Hey=20Tyler,=20can't=20you=20set=20up=20an=20audio=20application=20to=20us= e=20the=20computer >system's=20built-in=20voice=20control?=20I=20have=20not=20tested=20that=20= myself,=20so >this=20is=20just=20a=20wild=20idea...=20That=20in=20combination=20with=20a= =20vast=20key >command=20setup=20could=20lead=20you=20quite=20far=20without=20the=20visua= l=20interface,=20I >guess. > >Greetings=20from=20Sweden > >Per=20Boysen >www.perboysen.com >http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > >On=20Thu,=20Jul=2012,=202012=20at=2011:05=20AM,=20Tyler=20=20wrote: >>I=20rarely=20have=20access=20to=20audio=20editing=20software,=20but=20whe= n=20I=20do,=20it's=20Studio=20 >>Recorder=20from=20APH >>(www.aph.org).=20APH=20is=20the=20American=20Printing=20House=20for=20the= =20Blind.=20I'm=20one=20of=20 >>very=20few=20blind >>loopers,=20but=20SR=20sure=20makes=20studio=20stuff=20easy.=20It=20can't= =20do=20everything,=20though.=20I=20 >>could=20jump=20on >>ol'=20Audacity=20for=20a=20while! --===============0991243423==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 18:19:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5494183464; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 18:19:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=9dwneqtdOdVtVrMqIgqaQ56Z7oN0wj3mKuKAnCVgvD0=; b=yiIqf0My9VAvT6gZG7t3XZXKdPqDg+Y9b1rlCO2pUewgLFSxuGtMq9rQRhJnm1yzTV i1ql5kznA509zF7F73KhL5/OQ4LKj3DUuCKoXHQJKVF+Cd/GvcFEQ+7IJw8B6Lf0fG5K 1FA9xi+4Wr7cgcg/cDg02JBwCrRh6Ol0+lHaPIrmyGvnPoFAa8ki/Y4NRcaKN5r7pIxb 4ZNGSLoBT5mMT7Pwzakl3ejRR0cAWORLqauh3Jhj5D5oVdRuq43QzfhZ+6NmsMnJU4Y0 Y2h0ciaV0hUaMfmgJYTat08TZaER0MGQ+ORDBdGdyKjPFY6gM0go4H0d1IwW/ybJwkE4 XG7A== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1824233058.1204487.1342103265614.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1824233058.1204487.1342103265614.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 11:19:24 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04451a01d9fa7a04c4a600ad Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 18:19:25 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04451a01d9fa7a04c4a600ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sorry to drift even further OT with this one, but I support criticism! I think it's totally fine to say, "(blank's) music is shit", as long is you're not just saying it to make (blank) feel bad. It's better to give reasons why the music is shit, but in the case of TD, reasons why a bunch of us don't like the newer stuff were already discussed. There could be a good conversation about "the struggle for relevancy among aging musicians" - not as a dig against olds, but it's a fascinating phenomenon. Many rock and electronic musicians do their best work in their 20s and early 30s, then as they get older, either the music tastes change, or the musicians tone down the elements that a lot of their audiences like. Meanwhile, occasional musicians like Tom Waits do their best work when they're older. The common theme I'm picking up is finding YOUR OWN thing and taking the time to explore it fully. I think a lot about how my music might sound to people 20 or 30 years from now. If Tangerine Dream kept doing their 70s space music in the 80s and 90s, audiences would have drifted away from them at the time, but their fans now would love those records. I'm not saying that musicians shouldn't change and grow, but I think we've seen enough now to be mindful about not getting swept up in things that are only going to be popular for a couple of years. I almost cried when I heard a Klause Schulze record from the 90s that sounded like standard 4-on-the-floor techno! Btw, when you guys say TG, are you talking about Tangerine Gream? Because TG is Throbbing Gristle to me. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com --f46d04451a01d9fa7a04c4a600ad Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry to drift even further OT with this one, but I support criticism! I th= ink it's totally fine to say, "(blank's) music is shit", = as long is you're not just saying it to make (blank) feel bad. It's= better to give reasons why the music is shit, but in the case of TD, reaso= ns why a bunch of us don't like the newer stuff were already discussed.=

There could be a good conversation about "the struggle for relevan= cy among aging musicians" - not as a dig against olds, but it's a = fascinating phenomenon. Many rock and electronic musicians do their best wo= rk in their 20s and early 30s, then as they get older, either the music tas= tes change, or the musicians tone down the elements that a lot of their aud= iences like. Meanwhile, occasional musicians like Tom Waits do their best w= ork when they're older. The common theme I'm picking up is finding = YOUR OWN thing and taking the time to explore it fully.

I think a lot about how my music might sound to people 20 or 30 years f= rom now. If Tangerine Dream kept doing their 70s space music in the 80s and= 90s, audiences would have drifted away from them at the time, but their fa= ns now would love those records.

I'm not saying that musicians shouldn't change and grow, but I = think we've seen enough now to be mindful about not getting swept up in= things that are only going to be popular for a couple of years. I almost c= ried when I heard a Klause Schulze record from the 90s that sounded like st= andard 4-on-the-floor techno!

Btw, when you guys say TG, are you talking about Tangerine Gream? Becau= se TG is Throbbing Gristle to me.


--
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.co= m
www.ribosomemusi= c.com
Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
--f46d04451a01d9fa7a04c4a600ad-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 17:32:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62EBD183463; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 17:32:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.234.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:SN2PRD0410HT001.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI X-BigFish: PS2(zzc85fh1432Izz1202hzz8275bhz2fh2a8h668h839he5bhf0ah107ahbe3k) Received-SPF: pass (mail270-va3: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.234.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.234.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=SN2PRD0410HT001.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Conversion to Mac! Thread-Topic: Conversion to Mac! Thread-Index: AQHNWKQmrCkBf2d7uEyOxhjQAlbYp5cWS+GAgAH4nICADvE0gA== Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 17:31:57 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <30B08E31-6D46-4B6D-820E-EDC8401EC482@sea.plala.or.jp> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.255.115.4] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CC25C437604EFjefflarsonsailpointcom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 17:32:04 +0000 (UTC) --_000_CC25C437604EFjefflarsonsailpointcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > From: Ed Durbrow > In the Finder, if you want to type, type shift-cmd-G and you get go to fo= lder, > where you can type the path. Hit the tab to complete the text. I know this is an old thread, but I just had to give a big shout out to Ed for this tip. You have no idea how happy this makes me. Jeff --_000_CC25C437604EFjefflarsonsailpointcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> From: Ed Durbrow <edurbrow@sea.plala.or.jp>
> In the Finder, if you want to type, type shift-cmd-G and you get = go to folder, 
> where you can type the path. Hit the tab to complete the text.

I know this is an old thread, but I just had to give a big shout out t= o Ed
for this tip.  You have no idea how happy this makes me.

Jeff

--_000_CC25C437604EFjefflarsonsailpointcom_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 19:16:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54B65183462; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:16:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=YWHoYHxwrj6+ibsqXXvknO1obqT4Eav/jdL8l4+wvdQ=; b=V9GaS2oslo0YyQ55lk4fT9KRj1HOm8T4wJfVr5LglM4N2HbEQ6RBK2NW2ZD4ggFsCY 0HSVKprFv0nz5wzCmFrOouCozvifgpdmyfE9VCUHYRAh/xREoEx7wtDAIeZI6RPPlb/F 55q75m39mruQyDMtADo2b7bONCH2r9UAIVrVq/Bo1vAaWS+RdL4JUf0h+WlLG1BLAMkH chu1fX1G/5rCAS6IoNZk1BGM5pHYbSZvS/WiZzIanxQQYHJ484BNNxjwZImrBVcigGqR WYfnCVCp0benTXJbIWOBpVdwJMB+Vs10698csftDr7JKbaeO+TNrfSkMdi1ZoU3SgNAF zR4A== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <30B08E31-6D46-4B6D-820E-EDC8401EC482@sea.plala.or.jp> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:16:35 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Conversion to Mac! From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <6RjzlD.A.3QG.UQHAQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:16:36 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Ed Durbrow >> In the Finder, if you want to type, type shift-cmd-G and you get go to >> folder, >> where you can type the path. Hit the tab to complete the text. On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > > I know this is an old thread, but I just had to give a big shout out to Ed > for this tip. You have no idea how happy this makes me. In order to see (and maybe learn) all possible quick key commands in Finder, read under the "Go" top drop-down menue. My usual "finger waltz" for fast Mac navigation has two steps: 1) Hold down Command and hit TAB (for choosing Finder, switching between active applications). 2) Hit the key combo for the window location you want to bring up. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 20:29:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA2B7183461; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 20:29:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_d176a7ab-7de6-4a56-b1c3-7dbe2c194ab4_" X-Originating-IP: [86.153.221.83] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: Zoom G3 Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 20:29:47 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <30B08E31-6D46-4B6D-820E-EDC8401EC482@sea.plala.or.jp>,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2012 20:29:48.0115 (UTC) FILETIME=[3F43D230:01CD6136] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 20:29:49 +0000 (UTC) --_d176a7ab-7de6-4a56-b1c3-7dbe2c194ab4_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone know if this little beastie has feedback on its looper? peace g Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk >=20 = --_d176a7ab-7de6-4a56-b1c3-7dbe2c194ab4_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anyone know if this little beastie has feedback on its looper?

peace

g

Gareth Whittock=2C sound art= ist: garethwhitto= ck.co.uk


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= --_d176a7ab-7de6-4a56-b1c3-7dbe2c194ab4_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 20:33:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31D08183462; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 20:33:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=gPC8A/44xSH23wpQDxwK7joz8gH0DyuAD9Gzh+oIdBM=; b=B00aKAFNP9O0QCyIv7K1TpUaRL6ChowqBiwXCH17wrS2ybyY5njZyYLcaXMofcLzdL DQg0NtE0P3LG+waZZWnyOI59LIokQEMFHV+klfNl4hNF9Fm6OMuXtvCSrtlfK8CpN3AE BHBloKXRiy79Km0aVMGrgOIPFLtXkzEvqC5bOrebX0MZnowS2OqbHsd2VASbPjMQjfDF eXWQBQCZy4olsBj/5iO1rbgphPTRKIlxINHJuPE7CVkhV6cW3L5KNVkea1AUkl9iL607 yJAUEMvUNQaXBIIH71CwPBQJPVIdJ5ivTSb7MUz/4dNNfe3AOlze/sYFRvsec3pUsDzi QeJQ== Subject: Re: Conversion to Mac! References: <30B08E31-6D46-4B6D-820E-EDC8401EC482@sea.plala.or.jp> From: Todd Reynolds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <35ABC54E-993E-48D9-B09F-080BF30FB51A@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 16:33:53 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: <3yBavD.A.4FH.2YIAQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 20:33:59 +0000 (UTC) Or if you really want to speed up your workflow, download quicksilver or Alf= red! Two clicks of my command key has me typing in folders, files or apps, e= nter launches.=20 Or call me at 917.576.6166 (or text) On Jul 13, 2012, at 3:16 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >>> From: Ed Durbrow >>> In the Finder, if you want to type, type shift-cmd-G and you get go to >>> folder, >>> where you can type the path. Hit the tab to complete the text. >=20 > On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Jeff Larson w= rote: >>=20 >> I know this is an old thread, but I just had to give a big shout out to E= d >> for this tip. You have no idea how happy this makes me. >=20 >=20 > In order to see (and maybe learn) all possible quick key commands in > Finder, read under the "Go" top drop-down menue. >=20 > My usual "finger waltz" for fast Mac navigation has two steps: > 1) Hold down Command and hit TAB (for choosing Finder, switching > between active applications). > 2) Hit the key combo for the window location you want to bring up. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 20:37:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C18BB183473; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 20:37:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 159272.77904.bm@omp1015.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1342211845; bh=q1MpDPtOOTFyyVDMghcbv45wMRZTHTCh0pBSxFKCpt8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mhBtxfDkL3DE1kjsJ1c6t7+JrkmH9Sfy3Dsi5qayo+PaANi3jw32MRs1T1it64RUtKWS1GqK8rsM5Vr0C0eoOZAblniL2cSZ8f/rGc4hPXVwrQFE4LxzQ+MS1kmVr7TVev1P+LofGUYkoVi+Z7Rs9J+WLhnOroGHIa4a2t9Burc= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=6WOQVnOgzxCDked5N8LUte153nE0bNLWM9WJikS3rWZeAeiJzTgvFmHBr83nvn2o8ZwecBqxOUopcUrgtf7DlasRAT1BpJpVve/sXiD/zk5luFEoHi6pnjDLSaZ5UEl/Gy0zr6U8jR6lXfdA+/qw2FEueVP5k05lIHezbyKJRMo=; X-YMail-OSG: Hj4CKS0VM1mwVoOl1XdyUDXO9fkN3hMuTvilNKbSnyBla2a 0twthqAABy6P_jzI7PU.eelP583OoTI5sNR7WGQ_N.Hzs3V6m8CwfT.bvroR 2uWPXIKQdisx56nZW5aRf1_YSmrB.al30fXomIlZpGCpaN6ID3Jl2ec7882Q 62.FLnmF49sAno41RVs6iXxF.oZaOegwb2Etch6xh5LP1jKRbdPvhtniIZ4I eg09PLaUzK92KGZ51wLa_wnG.5skTApumzf55iQbaMDgASXqDa7rJB8X.uZU mP94Wj9wL_Sa0EBHsu0POlbpm9GimVVGLYDbmlKpy8t3YeQpaZlH8ZnZ6.Dx 6evN1iZZtGhoUQdXcaNHood2YBjRpJh9MXZu2Ks0xDOBtoFgj18T7OLiXzOL CKc1Y11a97lpFWrJl8WxQEqS0yiKJU3h_NT8SoIHm_CFvt33Os.7KEowtKpd XQtBVpCMkQo8xLn7V_iGH3wvzjgmEziMyoiMuuy4zCh1xhtdlt3YX1rVPx_8 iKC4gQjDP8QpbM51mnL4LdoPtkzJnP4yMVImfqK_7i_1Kuq_ptEfUidlOWPi wfmU1m94I7v4L_HZgQCQRFkIEGA-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: <30B08E31-6D46-4B6D-820E-EDC8401EC482@sea.plala.or.jp> Message-ID: <1342211845.92478.YahooMailNeo@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 13:37:25 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Conversion to Mac! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-2002498609-457139998-1342211845=:92478" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 20:37:27 +0000 (UTC) ---2002498609-457139998-1342211845=:92478 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So how does one eliminate the picture expanding then shrinking depending on= where/how you move the mouse? In Garage Band, I go for a parameter, the pi= cture shrinks, I have to click to make it regrow, and when I move the mouse= , it shrinks again. Click again, grow again, etc. I am stymied. Rig=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Per Boysen =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Friday, July = 13, 2012 12:16 PM=0ASubject: Re: Conversion to Mac!=0A=0A>> From: Ed Durbro= w =0A>> In the Finder, if you want to type, type = shift-cmd-G and you get go to=0A>> folder,=0A>> where you can type the path= . Hit the tab to complete the text.=0A=0AOn Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 7:31 PM, J= eff Larson wrote:=0A>=0A> I know this is an old= thread, but I just had to give a big shout out to Ed=0A> for this tip.=A0 = You have no idea how happy this makes me.=0A=0A=0AIn order to see (and mayb= e learn) all possible quick key commands in=0AFinder, read under the "Go" t= op drop-down menue.=0A=0AMy usual "finger waltz" for fast Mac navigation ha= s two steps:=0A1) Hold down Command and hit TAB (for choosing Finder, switc= hing=0Abetween active applications).=0A2) Hit the key combo for the window = location you want to bring up.=0A=0AGreetings from Sweden=0A=0APer Boysen= =0Awww.perboysen.com=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/perboysen ---2002498609-457139998-1342211845=:92478 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So how does one eliminate the picture expanding then shrinking depending on= where/how you move the mouse? In Garage Band, I go for a parameter, the pi= cture shrinks, I have to click to make it regrow, and when I move the mouse= , it shrinks again. Click again, grow again, etc. I am stymied.=0D
Rig=

From:<= /b> Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 12:16 P= M
Subject: Re: Convers= ion to Mac!

=0A>> From: Ed Durbrow <edurbrow@sea.plala.or.jp>
>> In the Finder, if you wa= nt to type, type shift-cmd-G and you get go to
>> folder,
>&= gt; where you can type the path. Hit the tab to complete the text.

O= n Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@= sailpoint.com> wrote:
>
> I know this is an old thread, = but I just had to give a big shout out to Ed
> for this tip.  Yo= u have no idea how happy this makes me.


In order to see (and may= be learn) all possible quick key commands in
Finder, read under the "Go"= top drop-down menue.

My usual "finger waltz" for fast Mac navigatio= n has two steps:
1) Hold down Command and hit TAB (for choosing Finder, = switching
between active applications).
2) Hit the key combo for the window location you want to= bring up.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://ww= w.youtube.com/perboysen



---2002498609-457139998-1342211845=:92478-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 21:17:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA5EB183464; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:17:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=7dMvI5n9bDoNS3k41BraQdZV7r9XENymU7iDoRTYnJ8=; b=yR8Lb6nqG9qNSuWk1HjvegaZNOw3OqZCNdXi1LUMPUGfbpRQspfF8usO4zkbM1Z/Sz uMG0N6o0G3KPSsJborjLfwsKhYk48HMRpqS80wQ4UZWwyraqOLji0iRpTfgyga2RebUX DykVSgAzqjVGLLoE3Mq0ApThcmUrwBY2+ANq4KVmFP0TD/4e3Tuo4q6bv0I7I1k3LWBU n5qdtyTUFPIoImNq+v51qHKr5cNpvEfCFEil8k5P13KaDQYSuSYKlqNfcffszqIvunqx fLVELaRnFAJfWIw3nhlIbAcHOiLv2AJ09jy1cF7O7jjqrF+/fihT2tYWhD/FuxdexEFX V3hg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <30B08E31-6D46-4B6D-820E-EDC8401EC482@sea.plala.or.jp> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 17:17:19 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Zoom G3 From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042a0d67f2ef3b04c4bc9a1c Resent-Message-ID: <0TYv3D.A.LpH.gBJAQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:17:20 +0000 (UTC) --f46d042a0d67f2ef3b04c4bc9a1c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I can't seem to dl the manual but I would bet top dollar that it does not. It does have undo/redo but using it lowers the loop time to 20 sec. Jeff On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > Anyone know if this little beastie has feedback on its looper? > > peace > > g > > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > > > > > --f46d042a0d67f2ef3b04c4bc9a1c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can't seem to dl the manual but I would bet top dollar that it does n= ot. It does have undo/redo but using it lowers the loop time to 20 sec.
Jeff


On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 4:2= 9 PM, Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk> wrot= e:
Anyone know if this little beastie has feedback on its looper?

peace

g

Gareth Whittock, sound artis= t: garethwhittock= .co.uk


>

--f46d042a0d67f2ef3b04c4bc9a1c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 21:40:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2C63183464; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:40:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <500095DE.7000103@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:40:46 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Per Boysen CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Conversion to Mac! References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010600090500070507050707" Resent-Message-ID: <5lq3jB.A.47H.kXJAQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:40:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010600090500070507050707 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 7/13/12 12:16 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > My usual "finger waltz" for fast Mac navigation has two steps: > 1) Hold down Command and hit TAB (for choosing Finder, switching > between active applications). > 2) Hit the key combo for the window location you want to bring up. And, as I just discovered, hold down the command key and then hold down the TAB key and you get a looped animation of all things open, including the finder. rick walker --------------010600090500070507050707 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
On 7/13/12 12:16 PM, Per Boysen wrote:
My usual "finger waltz" for fast Mac navigation has two steps:
1) Hold down Command and hit TAB (for choosing Finder, switching
between active applications).
2) Hit the key combo for the window location you want to bring up.

And, as I just discovered,  hold down the command key and then hold down the TAB key
and you get a looped animation of all things open, including the finder.

rick walker

--------------010600090500070507050707-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 21:48:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 501EE183460; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:48:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <816E0A2B4CAC46E882A6FFA4DF83B69B@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Audio Tarot Bone Throw Tonight Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 22:48:43 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01CD6149.A7C40240" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:48:43 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CD6149.A7C40240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For this Friday the 13th I=E2=80=99m performing live improvisations on = guitars, mellotron and other keyboards, drums and loops, with = appropriate dark ambient videoworks. 12 midnight London time, 7pm Eastern, 4pm Pacific. http://www.ustream.tv/channel/audio-tarot-bone-throw ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CD6149.A7C40240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For this Friday the 13th I=E2=80=99m performing live improvisations = on guitars,=20 mellotron and other keyboards, drums and loops, with appropriate dark = ambient=20 videoworks.
 
12 midnight London time, 7pm Eastern, 4pm Pacific.
 
http://www.= ustream.tv/channel/audio-tarot-bone-throw
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CD6149.A7C40240-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 14 00:38:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 593EC183464; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 00:38:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Ed Durbrow Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_08B4CCF7-A609-4281-A7D4-3DF0CF28C392" Subject: Re: Conversion to Mac! Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 09:38:29 +0900 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <30B08E31-6D46-4B6D-820E-EDC8401EC482@sea.plala.or.jp> Message-Id: <56FF37F8-8854-4E9D-8325-E83BCE7D9CA1@sea.plala.or.jp> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-VirusScan: Outbound; msa02b; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 09:38:29 +0900 Resent-Message-ID: <1Lz1MC.A.1UB.J-LAQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 00:38:33 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_08B4CCF7-A609-4281-A7D4-3DF0CF28C392 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey, that makes me really happy. I'm the one usually asking for help, so = I'm thrilled to be able to pass along something. On Jul 14, 2012, at 2:31 AM, Jeff Larson wrote: >> I know this is an old thread, but I just had to give a big shout out = to Ed >> for this tip. You have no idea how happy this makes me. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=3Dwatch http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ edurbrow@sea.plala.or.jp --Apple-Mail=_08B4CCF7-A609-4281-A7D4-3DF0CF28C392 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Hey, = that makes me really happy. I'm the one usually asking for help, so I'm = thrilled to be able to pass along something.

On Jul = 14, 2012, at 2:31 AM, Jeff Larson wrote:

I know this is an old thread, but I just had to = give a big shout out to Ed
for this tip.  You have no idea how happy this = makes me.

= --Apple-Mail=_08B4CCF7-A609-4281-A7D4-3DF0CF28C392-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 14 06:40:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83DA6183464; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 06:40:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_2869d4a4-7495-425a-a8b1-3da19238cb2e_" X-Originating-IP: [86.153.221.83] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Zoom G3 Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 06:40:37 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <30B08E31-6D46-4B6D-820E-EDC8401EC482@sea.plala.or.jp>,,,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2012 06:40:37.0925 (UTC) FILETIME=[94410550:01CD618B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 06:40:39 +0000 (UTC) --_2869d4a4-7495-425a-a8b1-3da19238cb2e_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I managed to download the manual after an absolute age - guess what ? No f= eedback..Ah well.. Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk Date: Fri=2C 13 Jul 2012 17:17:19 -0400 Subject: Re: Zoom G3 From: jeffloops@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com I can't seem to dl the manual but I would bet top dollar that it does not. = It does have undo/redo but using it lowers the loop time to 20 sec.=20 Jeff On Fri=2C Jul 13=2C 2012 at 4:29 PM=2C Gareth Whittock wrote: Anyone know if this little beastie has feedback on its looper? peace g Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk >=20 =20 = --_2869d4a4-7495-425a-a8b1-3da19238cb2e_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable = --_2869d4a4-7495-425a-a8b1-3da19238cb2e_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 14 07:55:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8E74183466; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 07:55:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=QZ7cHwx8s+kn6N5vcfI+3ZWhl8IDhd0ErZ/dKjnRZD8=; b=XbkCzR55BZ+3ePgKuTPNLcbPJKl36QYBzQ7pgFDGtBZuxXLcl6L6xDH50QFrlObWkU ihKeMRx3hfdJEtf8WyxxjP5WjuzWcNsfhZn16z0eL3D4r7BoerDjNXWW00e6AIdxsuyq QvknwdzxlgS+G6pX10XNaT0Q3jpV1kcHvuUJF1NzXfKkQergL+Ze/C0xDr7Ha+j/BL9r IYKyPIT1hiaQjoykwkeJY7qzRQCxSfMemUtIlXaMyltP0IJq7xlGDH6jTGDpqMG4TSDk aEUJWeSm+yt0epYURQi3tPRzxckO0agity2X6PTmhGYX/FeUpxvhd/nj6R+0ZZEFxGqO N7jg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56FF37F8-8854-4E9D-8325-E83BCE7D9CA1@sea.plala.or.jp> References: <30B08E31-6D46-4B6D-820E-EDC8401EC482@sea.plala.or.jp> <56FF37F8-8854-4E9D-8325-E83BCE7D9CA1@sea.plala.or.jp> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 09:55:30 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Conversion to Mac! From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 07:55:31 +0000 (UTC) Oh... and HEY, be sure to use Expos=C3=A9! If you're not already using it. I use to control it by a hot-screen-corner so it's just one swipe over the touch pad to see all open documents or folders lined up on display and then you click in the one you want to "go to". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 2:38 AM, Ed Durbrow wrot= e: > Hey, that makes me really happy. I'm the one usually asking for help, so = I'm > thrilled to be able to pass along something. > > On Jul 14, 2012, at 2:31 AM, Jeff Larson wrote: > > I know this is an old thread, but I just had to give a big shout out to E= d > > for this tip. You have no idea how happy this makes me. > > > Ed Durbrow > Saitama, Japan > http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=3Dwatch > http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ > edurbrow@sea.plala.or.jp > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 14 08:45:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A03E5183464; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 08:45:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 791850713/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.29.190/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.29.190 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBADUwAVBYbR2+/2dsb2JhbAANOLtPAQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBiBSmHpNPjiaDHAOWTYQxjSM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,584,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="791850713" Message-ID: <500131BD.1050005@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 09:45:49 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop Wiki? References: <20120711212504.4128.26169.levelstar.mail@everest> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 08:45:48 +0000 (UTC) Lets keep in mind that "looping" is not synonymous with "livelooping. andy Matthias Grob wrote: > Tyler, > we are about to lounch the new version of livelooping.org > > its not "blogger stuff" > maybe you can connect a wiki to expand it? > Bernhard started one years ago: > http://livelooping.wikispaces.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 14 09:05:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41D37183464; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 09:05:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=uFMWnce0KzpNTjHrNmMT6i6UGyAeKhxhIZDXIgEOfXo=; b=bpGXun29vRVMvozgu2fYtLTt2lcMREea0L8PodnOHAEHnl3ZIxucJXQNvXiQMEbQg9 HlrD8Xof5aiLGRYP0cewR93lf+wtpH4T1uds75vsfoFzdVDReuxBY38j0Om1LN06JW6x kx6VZq9/VMi5gvycb2lD2Jc/GrqxY0pcAA+PzhMwMpibuuRKMiFetoSQXiDhoaipctiH kwFvSPqL2Qp3vDPtxRXus/eD7gX54XapTGnRRdA8bjEld+aEoUAepksB6by1WK2/AZbS 4txvq1cypK8ssLPjRzzQSAuVXQsOwfqbwoQd740SoOAyniaRMu8Wal6mbrK4oCxFhFka QG+Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 02:05:39 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Strange Mobius Looping Behavior From: "kay'lon rushing" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0442823828e94a04c4c68064 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 09:05:41 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0442823828e94a04c4c68064 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I've been using mobius for a year now and can rarely remember having sny problems with it. However it seems to be looping weird all the sudden. For example I will play one bar of a drum beat then hit the record button the second time to truncate the loop and i make sure i hit it in time but then there is some sort of looping lag. The first time it loopcycles it sounds rhythmically different than the repeats afterwards. --f46d0442823828e94a04c4c68064 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I've been using mobius for a year now and can rarely remember having= sny problems with it. However it seems to be looping weird all the sudden.= For example I will play one bar=A0 of a drum beat then hit the record butt= on the second time to truncate the loop and i make sure i hit it in time bu= t then there is some sort of looping lag. The first time it loopcycles it s= ounds rhythmically different than the repeats afterwards.

--f46d0442823828e94a04c4c68064-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 14 12:22:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CDBD183465; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 12:22:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <3CA51867E2874AE1948390CCBF27262A@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <30B08E31-6D46-4B6D-820E-EDC8401EC482@sea.plala.or.jp> In-Reply-To: Subject: Last Night's Show Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 13:22:51 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01CD61C3.C4C3DDA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 12:22:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CD61C3.C4C3DDA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From last night=E2=80=99s Friday the 13th show. http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/23969703=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CD61C3.C4C3DDA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
From last night=E2=80=99s Friday the 13th show.
 
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CD61C3.C4C3DDA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 14 13:36:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64A88183461; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 13:36:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <500175BC.5070107@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 09:35:56 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #796 for July 12, 2012. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 13:36:01 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels?playlist_date=07-12-2012 Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #797 July 12, 2012. WDIY Playlist: http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels?playlist_date=07-12-2012 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Radio Masacre International. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Lost in Transit 2 - National Space Centre 2005" on Northern Echo. PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Broekhuis, Keller, Red One Red (Manikin) and Schonwalder VA [Rainbow Serpent] Improvised Music Second Decade 2002 - 2012 (Manikin) Monty Adkins Entangled Symmetries Four Shibusa (Audiobulb) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Radio Massacre I Lost in Transit 2 - The International National Space Centre 2005 (Northern Echo) Radio Massacre II Lost in Transit 2 - The International National Space Centre 2005 (Northern Echo) Radio Massacre III Lost in Transit 2 - The International National Space Centre 2005 (Northern Echo) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Radio Massacre International. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Lost in Transit 3 - National Space Centre 2006" on Northern Echo. Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info (temporarily down) Temporary Home: http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 14 23:27:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14068183464; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 23:27:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=L+cRjX0mdepokRqxq/6Qoqe0l8P4p4XR+XGiZFAWIIw=; b=GRtz1y0D6nbH93jCbE6QPweR4VcTKyECWcfZe0qFFiWD74Avm0mthAmjz3O1oRk/j/ 29vc7RIGOZVgXjiFOk4agsV9O0X5omjhkfUnci1RDAWLsjdeyfNnUZGXqxMQnEFTimPu nT5gSsSc9s7aiBeCZ1nVXvuuF3Zc28qUxqwgTHjR/+Ia8e37lgaWLc+jNoyfQ9m92Rju S/kqQrWOhcZd1j+73QwW/L5DAauxMBEfmKBpZulveYzyVxGVcGYOXbI3u7n5lZ/XfF2p dmYUN7pDviTS1umDEwbBcmDR1lK2Y7VUhtokIi8qtaC1btRCHXytfVc4lPjqy6jymq8B yNlQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <500175BC.5070107@soundscapes.us> References: <500175BC.5070107@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 16:27:38 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Galactic Travels Playlist #796 for July 12, 2012. From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04428466d8207c04c4d28a12 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 23:27:39 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04428466d8207c04c4d28a12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i seem to miss this every week. How can i tune into this from Calfornia? On Jul 14, 2012 6:36 AM, "Bill Fox" wrote: > http://wdiy.org/programs/**galactic-travels?playlist_**date=07-12-2012 > > Galactic > Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that > airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, > PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville > and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts > in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. > > Show #797 July 12, 2012. > > WDIY Playlist: http://wdiy.org/programs/**galactic-travels?playlist_** > date=07-12-2012 > > RECAP: > On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Radio Masacre > International. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Lost in Transit 2 - > National Space Centre 2005" on Northern Echo. > > > PLAYLIST: > > 11:04 pm > ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) > ==================== ==================== ============================== > Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) > Broekhuis, Keller, Red One Red (Manikin) > and Schonwalder > VA [Rainbow Serpent] Improvised Music Second Decade 2002 - 2012 > (Manikin) > Monty Adkins Entangled Symmetries Four Shibusa (Audiobulb) > > > 12:00 am > ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) > ==================== ==================== ============================== > Radio Massacre I Lost in Transit 2 - The > International National Space Centre 2005 > (Northern Echo) > Radio Massacre II Lost in Transit 2 - The > International National Space Centre 2005 > (Northern Echo) > Radio Massacre III Lost in Transit 2 - The > International National Space Centre 2005 > (Northern Echo) > > > 1:00 am > > * = excerpt > VA = Various Artists (compilation) > ++ = Advance CDR from Artist > -- = Background music under interview > > > NEXT SHOW: > On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on > Radio Massacre International. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Lost > in Transit 3 - National Space Centre 2006" on Northern Echo. > > Bill > ==============================**==============================** > ============ > Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, > Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and > Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in > Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio > on 88.1 FM. > Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info (temporarily down) > Temporary Home: http://wdiy.org/programs/**galactic-travels > Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org on-line. > > --f46d04428466d8207c04c4d28a12 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

i seem to miss this every week. How can i tune into this from Calfornia?=

On Jul 14, 2012 6:36 AM, "Bill Fox" &l= t;billyfox@soundscapes.us>= ; wrote:
http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels?pl= aylist_date=3D07-12-2012

<a href=3D"http://galactictravels.info">Galactic Travels</a>= ; is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that
airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville
and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. =A0WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM.

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Show #797 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Ju= ly 12, 2012.

WDIY Playlist: http://wdiy.org/programs/gala= ctic-travels?playlist_date=3D07-12-2012

RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Radio Masacre
International. =A0The Featured CD at Midnight was "Lost in Transit 2 -=
National Space Centre 2005" on Northern Echo.


PLAYLIST:

11:04 pm
ARTIST =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 TRACK =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0ALB= UM (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Kevin Braheny =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Starflight 1 * =A0 =A0 =A0 Galaxies (Hearts of= Space)
Broekhuis, Keller, =A0 Red One =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Red (Manikin)
=A0 and Schonwalder
VA [Rainbow Serpent] Improvised Music =A0 =A0 Second Decade 2002 - 2012
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 (Manikin)
Monty Adkins =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Entangled Symmetries Four Shibusa (Audiobulb)<= br>

12:00 am
ARTIST =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 TRACK =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0ALB= UM (label)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Radio Massacre =A0 =A0 =A0 I =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Lost in= Transit 2 - The
=A0 International =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 N= ational Space Centre 2005
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 (Northern Echo)
Radio Massacre =A0 =A0 =A0 II =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Lost in T= ransit 2 - The
=A0 International =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 N= ational Space Centre 2005
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 (Northern Echo)
Radio Massacre =A0 =A0 =A0 III =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Lost in T= ransit 2 - The
=A0 International =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 N= ational Space Centre 2005
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 (Northern Echo)


1:00 am

=A0* =3D excerpt
VA =3D Various Artists (compilation)
++ =3D Advance CDR from Artist
-- =3D Background music under interview


NEXT SHOW:
On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on
Radio Massacre International. =A0The Featured CD at Midnight will be "= Lost
in Transit 3 - National Space Centre 2006" on Northern Echo.

Bill
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D
Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show,
Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and
Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in
Trexlertown and Fogelsville. =A0WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM.
Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info (temporarily down)
Temporary Home: http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels
Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy= .org on-line.

--f46d04428466d8207c04c4d28a12-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 15 14:32:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D77D6183465; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 14:32:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 460822.81389.bm@omp1057.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1342362759; bh=WtQ1yKHeuEfB6m6FZaRTmBNoPliP3pe+Wvt8EgeoCrw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nmMI5NQzy3u2c4DGEVrsu4Tjq3kdYo1UNR4xDP9/i5v412E73cQLucczMfIBhlyb/o1RckTnDZAJUuj6tWr+78IT/v3ah5bPOVltwAkwJ4nbGKf6kN7uZxRBwAC7zOXCOXDm9aWk0jG5F6tijXanA08VzpfmVw8rJuMn9CSNmwc= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=R4862LP43uo3rMzLpXQzEDSGsz4B2DR3VFwuS/ZHoSE6I7jfgAatMAWws2O5q1kGZC7faktOwl5xfIEP2EGbyXGxCMWUUGPU/V0ZKaAcRMZMon5pyVAUvqrtER6zRnekNlhg2oRFrlbV2tN3c5PxS+Zi3tKJCn64RSKJlP01oVc=; X-YMail-OSG: WUKAQ1IVM1nOzV1V9vQ8k0zYrOt4KdGq_R4H1D_WVNoWM3U 7aqLCWH1gof2p8dEB6uWUxQQ.7_TMadZTe1BSQXXBt59lVqIFKfw.JKl0vB4 dNiidhBVXfJKbbJYZIKOG_TJRLaLoFVdjN2LddCwbJZTvOq0mg6hyHPerH4D 5zTOm3Co5O8ySNlLbFtqke6w42xrsSibnj99G9Bk9.vszUkSWdX1t4Tl_fzj Ll546iGpCfMV4fPj5aziZ_8zlh.gB5CA82Kb2QcToWHZXAcT2LMx5JIIx8VA svRe5uxNNsXGw6eDpg1nohy15QoY.rYg1EGLPFlYF8o4O7yazJ1m1AkkmW69 7Iiz6r.8ZzpQOjEWJ_sLiZrr56Eq2OrZvgAsOAHDARMUqmNxpj_eXK9GwYIa 4ZQEP6cbrfQ4CrT12LFwLRnEUT8MknvFLQpgAoS5NtWPpH.W9JJRIWBC2v5r PJGmq28HuHjzgyWGxPAjDI6Eu5tD1a3yq.muqOKFm0DFN8o6uAqIWeKQsmqw 2Lnbe48IeZaizp31qYA-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1342362758.96145.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 07:32:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Reply-To: Luis Angulo Subject: using imacs monitor with a windows PC To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1480336445-1395308994-1342362758=:96145" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 14:32:40 +0000 (UTC) ---1480336445-1395308994-1342362758=:96145 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i know what you gonna say but no, i dont want to install windows on my imac= ;-)=0Aso is this possible? my PC is a Dell a bit old,it doesnt have a wirel= ess card=0Aperhaps some sort of adaptor that will conect via Usb?=0Athanx= =0A=0A=A0=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ---1480336445-1395308994-1342362758=:96145 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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---1480336445-1395308994-1342362758=:96145-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 15 23:20:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC45A183474; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 23:20:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=oTty4vSF44bTNKEcuaYDACgdhZUQ6HECsGdEgIHu0Po=; b=neQkP7tdU3Tj/wUgbI5mdRvnFYqawP3PX+OnpNhDn29Ys5Ovf6sRtfo+oSF+3Q7Han Uqbs2aSq1vQFBY+0SlGJtpKkCcdPhUeNLgN8xqJJjwOyKtC/uO230456lzxipf0nVFRl nF1ZVpCoFB+s3qvnsFEIabL0BhyevF/2Ptod99DjHETV5yH8a82YzXRzcYio8vuLl9wu xhHH6qUpuHQhO5q6LOMvgi7PS6exE/wPAf80t3tKm8gMbcGeIEaF1E9+pVkQoMz3kzdI FAfqybXq0lTgLS+s+75bBYiiPvl9+pSWYCqOPjAT9CPuV9trKXYtml1kIMY/v1J88fu6 fvLQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 18:20:27 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: my open letter to DIGITECH (begging for a better delay based looper) From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d9761008bfff04c4e68ffa Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 23:20:29 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d9761008bfff04c4e68ffa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 decided to share what i did when i was bored yesterday. i was on TGP (the gear page) looking something up, and saw that some digitech rep had asked for folks to fill out some survey. so i did, i was hoping that it would have some "comments welcome" at the end, but it didn't. but they did post their email for support (which i'm sure is on their website, but since i only have a DL8 and not one of their multieffects units, i don't check their website much....). anyway, i figured i post many messages to this site and to TGP begging digitech to put out some better delay that is similar to their old pds8000 (for the pitchshifting varispeed stuff that bill frisell used to do). i figured bill frisell probably doesn't email them asking for them to do this (although he should), i figured i'd do it. i doubt i have any weight in the world, but it's worth a shot. this is what i sent yesterday: dear digitech- i have posted similar things on the loopers-delight.com and thegearpage websites (as an open letter). i decided to just send you an email directly. i filled out some survey thing you had, hoping it had some comments at the end, but it didn't. i'm writing to ask/beg/implore you to reissue or make some new variation of the digitech pds8000 delay-this would be the one that the guitarist bill frisell used to use in the past to great effect. or the lexicon pcm 42 -that david torn uses still (for 30+ yrs, his is modded to have 20 sec of delay) Both of these delays hold the notes w/in the delay and you could modulate the time from fast to slow or slow to fast (raise or lowers pitch) i currently have your digitech dl8-and i like it for it's 8 sec of delay (i don't use the loop function, that's a joke to me), but i honestly wish it would do what the pds8000 or the pcm 42 could do. i know that you have the various new versions of the jamman pedals out-which honestly is also a joke i think. i'm tired of creating static loops. i am a person who likes to manipulate the loops and mess w/ time. heck, if you want to make it like the old electro harmonix 16ddl and add reverse to the delay, that would be awesome also! but i won't shoot for the moon. (B Frisell also used that) i don't know what chip is in the pds8000, but it would be great if you could make that or some version of it again. stop putting out all these delays that when you just manipulate the time, it just kind of slurs or warps the sound, but the original info is not really there. i know you seem to be moving into the IPAD version of effects, but honestly, the pds8000 which came out in the late 80s or early 90s, to me seems like a better device. maybe you could make it as some type of NEW DELAY BASED LOOPER-sort of like the pds8000 or the lexicon pcm 42-that would be perfect. please note that i am not a famous or great guitarist like the 2 i've mentioned, i'm just a guitarist who likes to use delay based loopers, and am sick of all the phrase sampler loopers that get released that really don't do anything except static loops. thanks, Scott Hansen --0016e6d9761008bfff04c4e68ffa Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
decided to share what i did when i was bored yesterday.
=A0<= /div>
i was on TGP (the gear page) looking something up, and saw that s= ome digitech rep had asked for folks to fill out some survey. so i did, i w= as hoping
that it would have some "comments welcome" at the end, but i= t didn't. but they did post their email for support (which i'm sure= is on their website, but
since i only have a DL8 and not one of = their multieffects units, i don't check their website much....). anyway= , i figured i post many messages to
this site and to TGP begging digitech to put out some better delay tha= t is similar to their old pds8000 (for the pitchshifting varispeed stuff th= at bill frisell used to do).
i figured bill frisell probably does= n't email them asking for them to do this (although he should), i figur= ed i'd do it. i doubt i have any weight in the world,
but it's worth a shot.
=A0
this is what i sent= yesterday:
=A0
dear digitech-
i have posted = similar things on the loopers-deligh= t.com and thegearpage websites (as an open letter).
i decided to just send you an email directly. i filled out some survey= thing you had, hoping it had some comments at the end, but it didn't.<= /div>
=A0
i'm writing to ask/beg/implore you to reissue o= r make some new variation of the
=A0
digitech pds8000 delay-this would be the one that the gu= itarist bill frisell used to use in the past to great effect.
or = the
lexicon pcm 42 -that david torn uses still (for 30+ yrs, his= is modded to have 20 sec of delay)
=A0
Both of these delays hold the notes w/in the delay and y= ou could modulate the time from fast to slow or slow to fast (raise or lowe= rs pitch)
=A0
i currently have your digitech dl8-and i = like it for it's 8 sec of delay (i don't use the loop function, tha= t's a joke to me), but i honestly wish it would do what the
pds8000=A0 or the pcm 42 could do.
=A0
i know that= you have the various new versions of the jamman pedals out-which honestly = is also a joke i think. i'm tired of creating static loops. i am a pers= on
who likes to manipulate the loops and mess w/ time.
=A0
heck, if you want to make it like the old electro harmonix 16ddl and = add reverse to the delay, that would be awesome also! but i won't shoot= for the moon. (B Frisell also used that)
=A0
i don't know what chip is in the pds8000, but it wou= ld be great if you could make that or some version of it again.
s= top putting out all these delays that when you just manipulate the time, it= just kind of slurs or warps the sound, but the original info is not really= there.
=A0
i know you seem to be moving into the IPAD version of ef= fects, but honestly, the pds8000 which came out in the late 80s or early 90= s, to me seems like a better device.
=A0
maybe you coul= d make it as some type of NEW DELAY BASED LOOPER-sort of like the pds8000 o= r the lexicon pcm 42-that would be perfect.
=A0
please note that i am not a famous or great guitarist li= ke the 2 i've mentioned, i'm just a guitarist who likes to use dela= y based loopers, and am sick of all the phrase sampler loopers that
get released that really don't do anything except static loops.
thanks,
Scott Hansen
--0016e6d9761008bfff04c4e68ffa-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 00:11:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD116183466; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 00:11:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at d2.hostbaby.com From: john floridis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Boss TU2 wierdness Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 18:11:48 -0600 Message-Id: <5495C363-3983-4999-B1C2-70C73CE53112@johnfloridis.com> To: Delight Loopers Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: <75S0bC.A.qHF.Hx1AQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 00:11:51 +0000 (UTC) Wondering if anyone has ever had this odd issue with a Boss TU2 tuner- = When the pedal is engaged it mutes the signal as it's supposed to, but = it cannot read the signal to register an accurate pitch. The LED is = flashing all over the place, chromatically speaking, but never "hears" = the pitch I know I am at least close to. Stereo signal of two pickups is coming out of an acoustic guitar to a = Fishman Blender, then mono to a Line 6 POD X3 Live, then mono out to the = tuner. This happened last night at a gig, and though I was able to = perform, it was pretty distracting. Now at home, of course, it will not = duplicate and is working fine. I worked with it for some time = afterwards last night, and it seemed as it the issue had to do with the = "mix" mono output from the Fishman Blender. When I tried coming out one = of the Blender's single outputs, the tuner seemed to work. Pretty good dimmer buzz was present at venue. Is it possible that could = have effected the signal to the point that it freaked out the tuner? In over 35 years of performing, this is a new one to me. Thanks, John= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 03:13:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E438183466; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 03:13:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=n9FXqnjJYL//DHoLvEZ9H3SJyvwn0YWhdYbcxrV8rJrBDcA1JDdGQSHXWaCoZLKU; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <22752684.1342408405795.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 20:13:25 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss TU2 wierdness Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48c9a63a3aa2ed28936c440165a3ae67a0b5548f7b21afc86f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.30 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 03:13:36 +0000 (UTC) here is my two sense: i used to be extreme-some guitarers still are-but they keep their tuner out of the audio path-always the best way to go for clarity. second is to make the tuner thee 1st in your signal path-for the second most clear path-that way it gets a clean pitch to work w/. -----Original Message----- >From: john floridis >Sent: Jul 15, 2012 5:11 PM >To: Delight Loopers >Subject: Boss TU2 wierdness > >Wondering if anyone has ever had this odd issue with a Boss TU2 tuner- When the pedal is engaged it mutes the signal as it's supposed to, but it cannot read the signal to register an accurate pitch. The LED is flashing all over the place, chromatically speaking, but never "hears" the pitch I know I am at least close to. > >Stereo signal of two pickups is coming out of an acoustic guitar to a Fishman Blender, then mono to a Line 6 POD X3 Live, then mono out to the tuner. This happened last night at a gig, and though I was able to perform, it was pretty distracting. Now at home, of course, it will not duplicate and is working fine. I worked with it for some time afterwards last night, and it seemed as it the issue had to do with the "mix" mono output from the Fishman Blender. When I tried coming out one of the Blender's single outputs, the tuner seemed to work. > >Pretty good dimmer buzz was present at venue. Is it possible that could have effected the signal to the point that it freaked out the tuner? > >In over 35 years of performing, this is a new one to me. >Thanks, >John From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 04:48:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51506183464; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 04:48:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=VDXOp1cF2Ir3mAzmCtRm4GyOroe0lD+zUHLwx3zq5GM=; b=IqGHQ+uG8bVO6jKWgCleZmA3REPRAoMSsQFJDVqIa8uGlrBeBz9g1QfbqTEfGWFGjK m3IDlf2yyTZpWkXufK3UU85fLcX3W0q+j8MO1JYJEFB+YfhM0xu9iCOAMVMM2KyX6iTr psxmVlB6CEUMN+WoNH4/3pOqxVBsex5XS2h1xhTHedlagA+bCh3W/JJUkM0Tn6VD0+V+ qZLYN8wUN7xPGLzrYbCgbs+ZqfOnZKTV0Lr8LspPRhRMKRU4M49eXUSiVSKKEmnkFiC6 C3Y+xTmFJGzxGJfpgXLb6roZDIIYxdSfOipANbugaYFZ0Cu5k5NuxzDLE6r58blFtqwQ 4VAg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 21:48:55 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: my open letter to DIGITECH (begging for a better delay based looper) From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0444ee27b72b7b04c4eb2556 Resent-Message-ID: <_fy8FD.A.W6G.505AQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 04:48:57 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0444ee27b72b7b04c4eb2556 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Totally agree, though since I'm completely computer based these days, I'd love to see a pds8000 vst effect. I love the PSP 42 vst, but if it had 20 seconds of delay I'd use it a lot more! On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Scott Hansen wrote: > decided to share what i did when i was bored yesterday. > > i was on TGP (the gear page) looking something up, and saw that some > digitech rep had asked for folks to fill out some survey. so i did, i was > hoping > that it would have some "comments welcome" at the end, but it didn't. but > they did post their email for support (which i'm sure is on their website, > but > since i only have a DL8 and not one of their multieffects units, i don't > check their website much....). anyway, i figured i post many messages to > this site and to TGP begging digitech to put out some better delay that is > similar to their old pds8000 (for the pitchshifting varispeed stuff that > bill frisell used to do). > i figured bill frisell probably doesn't email them asking for them to do > this (although he should), i figured i'd do it. i doubt i have any weight > in the world, > but it's worth a shot. > > this is what i sent yesterday: > > dear digitech- > i have posted similar things on the loopers-delight.com and thegearpage > websites (as an open letter). > i decided to just send you an email directly. i filled out some survey > thing you had, hoping it had some comments at the end, but it didn't. > > i'm writing to ask/beg/implore you to reissue or make some new variation > of the > > digitech pds8000 delay-this would be the one that the guitarist bill > frisell used to use in the past to great effect. > or the > lexicon pcm 42 -that david torn uses still (for 30+ yrs, his is modded to > have 20 sec of delay) > > Both of these delays hold the notes w/in the delay and you could modulate > the time from fast to slow or slow to fast (raise or lowers pitch) > > i currently have your digitech dl8-and i like it for it's 8 sec of delay > (i don't use the loop function, that's a joke to me), but i honestly wish > it would do what the > pds8000 or the pcm 42 could do. > > i know that you have the various new versions of the jamman pedals > out-which honestly is also a joke i think. i'm tired of creating static > loops. i am a person > who likes to manipulate the loops and mess w/ time. > > heck, if you want to make it like the old electro harmonix 16ddl and add > reverse to the delay, that would be awesome also! but i won't shoot for the > moon. (B Frisell also used that) > > i don't know what chip is in the pds8000, but it would be great if you > could make that or some version of it again. > stop putting out all these delays that when you just manipulate the time, > it just kind of slurs or warps the sound, but the original info is not > really there. > > i know you seem to be moving into the IPAD version of effects, but > honestly, the pds8000 which came out in the late 80s or early 90s, to me > seems like a better device. > > maybe you could make it as some type of NEW DELAY BASED LOOPER-sort of > like the pds8000 or the lexicon pcm 42-that would be perfect. > > please note that i am not a famous or great guitarist like the 2 i've > mentioned, i'm just a guitarist who likes to use delay based loopers, and > am sick of all the phrase sampler loopers that > get released that really don't do anything except static loops. > thanks, > Scott Hansen > -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com --f46d0444ee27b72b7b04c4eb2556 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Totally agree, though since I'm completely computer based these days, I= 'd love to see a pds8000 vst effect.=A0

I love the P= SP 42 vst, but if it had 20 seconds of delay I'd use it a lot more!

On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Scott Hanse= n <evanpeewee@gmail.com> wrote:
decided to share what i did when i was bored yesterday.
=A0<= /div>
i was on TGP (the gear page) looking something up, and saw that s= ome digitech rep had asked for folks to fill out some survey. so i did, i w= as hoping
that it would have some "comments welcome" at the end, but i= t didn't. but they did post their email for support (which i'm sure= is on their website, but
since i only have a DL8 and not one of = their multieffects units, i don't check their website much....). anyway= , i figured i post many messages to
this site and to TGP begging digitech to put out some better delay tha= t is similar to their old pds8000 (for the pitchshifting varispeed stuff th= at bill frisell used to do).
i figured bill frisell probably does= n't email them asking for them to do this (although he should), i figur= ed i'd do it. i doubt i have any weight in the world,
but it's worth a shot.
=A0
this is what i sent= yesterday:
=A0
dear digitech-
i have posted = similar things on the loopers-delight.com and thegearpage websites (as an open letter).
i decided to just send you an email directly. i filled out some survey= thing you had, hoping it had some comments at the end, but it didn't.<= /div>
=A0
i'm writing to ask/beg/implore you to reissue o= r make some new variation of the
=A0
digitech pds8000 delay-this would be the one that the gu= itarist bill frisell used to use in the past to great effect.
or = the
lexicon pcm 42 -that david torn uses still (for 30+ yrs, his= is modded to have 20 sec of delay)
=A0
Both of these delays hold the notes w/in the delay and y= ou could modulate the time from fast to slow or slow to fast (raise or lowe= rs pitch)
=A0
i currently have your digitech dl8-and i = like it for it's 8 sec of delay (i don't use the loop function, tha= t's a joke to me), but i honestly wish it would do what the
pds8000=A0 or the pcm 42 could do.
=A0
i know that= you have the various new versions of the jamman pedals out-which honestly = is also a joke i think. i'm tired of creating static loops. i am a pers= on
who likes to manipulate the loops and mess w/ time.
=A0
heck, if you want to make it like the old electro harmonix 16ddl and = add reverse to the delay, that would be awesome also! but i won't shoot= for the moon. (B Frisell also used that)
=A0
i don't know what chip is in the pds8000, but it wou= ld be great if you could make that or some version of it again.
s= top putting out all these delays that when you just manipulate the time, it= just kind of slurs or warps the sound, but the original info is not really= there.
=A0
i know you seem to be moving into the IPAD version of ef= fects, but honestly, the pds8000 which came out in the late 80s or early 90= s, to me seems like a better device.
=A0
maybe you coul= d make it as some type of NEW DELAY BASED LOOPER-sort of like the pds8000 o= r the lexicon pcm 42-that would be perfect.
=A0
please note that i am not a famous or great guitarist li= ke the 2 i've mentioned, i'm just a guitarist who likes to use dela= y based loopers, and am sick of all the phrase sampler loopers that
get released that really don't do anything except static loops.
thanks,
Scott Hansen



--
Art Simonsimart@gmail.com=

--f46d0444ee27b72b7b04c4eb2556-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 04:58:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB96E183464; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 04:58:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_ffd47572-a79b-4220-af25-7740b38b3cc6_" X-Originating-IP: [86.153.221.83] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet? Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 04:58:53 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2012 04:58:53.0439 (UTC) FILETIME=[B285E0F0:01CD630F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 04:58:54 +0000 (UTC) --_ffd47572-a79b-4220-af25-7740b38b3cc6_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone know if MIDI sync has been implemented yet? There was some talk of s= omething being ready "in a couple of weeks" back in March.. peace Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk = --_ffd47572-a79b-4220-af25-7740b38b3cc6_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anyone know if MIDI sync has been implemented yet? There was some talk of s= omething being ready "in a couple of weeks" back in March..

<= div>peace

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk



= --_ffd47572-a79b-4220-af25-7740b38b3cc6_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 05:28:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1354183464; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 05:28:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_6e194cf0-b966-4fbc-bc0c-df9a6330e3f7_" X-Originating-IP: [86.153.221.83] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: my open letter to DIGITECH (begging for a better delay based looper) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 05:28:03 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2012 05:28:04.0245 (UTC) FILETIME=[C615AC50:01CD6313] Resent-Message-ID: <-2ZRpD.A.LXH.lZ6AQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 05:28:05 +0000 (UTC) --_6e194cf0-b966-4fbc-bc0c-df9a6330e3f7_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Art are you PC or mac based? Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk Date: Sun=2C 15 Jul 2012 21:48:55 -0700 Subject: Re: my open letter to DIGITECH (begging for a better delay based l= ooper) From: simart@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Totally agree=2C though since I'm completely computer based these days=2C I= 'd love to see a pds8000 vst effect.=20 I love the PSP 42 vst=2C but if it had 20 seconds of delay I'd use it a lot= more! On Sun=2C Jul 15=2C 2012 at 4:20 PM=2C Scott Hansen = wrote: decided to share what i did when i was bored yesterday. i was on TGP (the g= ear page) looking something up=2C and saw that some digitech rep had asked = for folks to fill out some survey. so i did=2C i was hoping that it would have some "comments welcome" at the end=2C but it didn't. but= they did post their email for support (which i'm sure is on their website= =2C butsince i only have a DL8 and not one of their multieffects units=2C i= don't check their website much....). anyway=2C i figured i post many messa= ges to=20 this site and to TGP begging digitech to put out some better delay that is = similar to their old pds8000 (for the pitchshifting varispeed stuff that bi= ll frisell used to do).i figured bill frisell probably doesn't email them a= sking for them to do this (although he should)=2C i figured i'd do it. i do= ubt i have any weight in the world=2C but it's worth a shot. this is what i sent yesterday: dear digitech-i have = posted similar things on the loopers-delight.com and thegearpage websites (= as an open letter). i decided to just send you an email directly. i filled out some survey thin= g you had=2C hoping it had some comments at the end=2C but it didn't. i'm w= riting to ask/beg/implore you to reissue or make some new variation of the= =20 digitech pds8000 delay-this would be the one that the guitarist bill frise= ll used to use in the past to great effect.or the lexicon pcm 42 -that davi= d torn uses still (for 30+ yrs=2C his is modded to have 20 sec of delay) Both of these delays hold the notes w/in the delay and you could modulate = the time from fast to slow or slow to fast (raise or lowers pitch) i curren= tly have your digitech dl8-and i like it for it's 8 sec of delay (i don't u= se the loop function=2C that's a joke to me)=2C but i honestly wish it woul= d do what the pds8000 or the pcm 42 could do. i know that you have the various new versi= ons of the jamman pedals out-which honestly is also a joke i think. i'm tir= ed of creating static loops. i am a person who likes to manipulate the loops and mess w/ time. heck=2C if you want to = make it like the old electro harmonix 16ddl and add reverse to the delay=2C= that would be awesome also! but i won't shoot for the moon. (B Frisell als= o used that) i don't know what chip is in the pds8000=2C but it would be great if you c= ould make that or some version of it again.stop putting out all these delay= s that when you just manipulate the time=2C it just kind of slurs or warps = the sound=2C but the original info is not really there. i know you seem to be moving into the IPAD version of effects=2C but hones= tly=2C the pds8000 which came out in the late 80s or early 90s=2C to me see= ms like a better device. maybe you could make it as some type of NEW DELAY = BASED LOOPER-sort of like the pds8000 or the lexicon pcm 42-that would be p= erfect. please note that i am not a famous or great guitarist like the 2 i've ment= ioned=2C i'm just a guitarist who likes to use delay based loopers=2C and a= m sick of all the phrase sampler loopers that=20 get released that really don't do anything except static loops.thanks=2CSco= tt Hansen --=20 Art Simon simart@gmail.com = --_6e194cf0-b966-4fbc-bc0c-df9a6330e3f7_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Art are you PC or mac based?

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk


Date: Sun=2C 15 Jul 2012 21:48:55 -0700
Subject: Re: my open letter to = DIGITECH (begging for a better delay based looper)
From: simart@gmail.co= m
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Totally agree=2C though= since I'm completely computer based these days=2C I'd love to see a pds800= 0 vst effect. =3B

I love the PSP 42 vst=2C but if it= had 20 seconds of delay I'd use it a lot more!

On Sun=2C Jul 15=2C 2012 at 4:20 PM=2C Sc= ott Hansen <=3B= evanpeewee@gmail.com>=3B wrote:
decided to share what i did when i was bored yesterday.
&nbs= p=3B
i was on TGP (the gear page) looking something up=2C and saw= that some digitech rep had asked for folks to fill out some survey. so i d= id=2C i was hoping
that it would have some "comments welcome" at the end=2C but it didn't= . but they did post their email for support (which i'm sure is on their web= site=2C but
since i only have a DL8 and not one of their multieff= ects units=2C i don't check their website much....). anyway=2C i figured i = post many messages to
this site and to TGP begging digitech to put out some better delay tha= t is similar to their old pds8000 (for the pitchshifting varispeed stuff th= at bill frisell used to do).
i figured bill frisell probably does= n't email them asking for them to do this (although he should)=2C i figured= i'd do it. i doubt i have any weight in the world=2C
but it's worth a shot.
 =3B
this is what i sen= t yesterday:
 =3B
dear digitech-
i have p= osted similar things on the loopers-delight.com and thegearpage websites (as an open le= tter).
i decided to just send you an email directly. i filled out some survey= thing you had=2C hoping it had some comments at the end=2C but it didn't.<= /div>
 =3B
i'm writing to ask/beg/implore you to reissue = or make some new variation of the
 =3B
digitech pds8000 delay-this would be the one that t= he guitarist bill frisell used to use in the past to great effect.
or the
lexicon pcm 42 -that david torn uses still (for 30+ yrs= =2C his is modded to have 20 sec of delay)
 =3B
Both of these delays hold the notes w/in the delay = and you could modulate the time from fast to slow or slow to fast (raise or= lowers pitch)
 =3B
i currently have your digitech = dl8-and i like it for it's 8 sec of delay (i don't use the loop function=2C= that's a joke to me)=2C but i honestly wish it would do what the
pds8000 =3B or the pcm 42 could do.
 =3B
i= know that you have the various new versions of the jamman pedals out-which= honestly is also a joke i think. i'm tired of creating static loops. i am = a person
who likes to manipulate the loops and mess w/ time.
 =3B=
heck=2C if you want to make it like the old electro harmonix 16d= dl and add reverse to the delay=2C that would be awesome also! but i won't = shoot for the moon. (B Frisell also used that)
 =3B
i don't know what chip is in the pds8000=2C but it = would be great if you could make that or some version of it again.
stop putting out all these delays that when you just manipulate the time= =2C it just kind of slurs or warps the sound=2C but the original info is no= t really there.
 =3B
i know you seem to be moving into the IPAD version = of effects=2C but honestly=2C the pds8000 which came out in the late 80s or= early 90s=2C to me seems like a better device.
 =3B
maybe you could make it as some type of NEW DELAY BASED LOOPER-sort of li= ke the pds8000 or the lexicon pcm 42-that would be perfect.
 =3B
please note that i am not a famous or great guitari= st like the 2 i've mentioned=2C i'm just a guitarist who likes to use delay= based loopers=2C and am sick of all the phrase sampler loopers that
get released that really don't do anything except static loops.
<= div>thanks=2C
Scott Hansen



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Art Simonsimart@gmail.com

= --_6e194cf0-b966-4fbc-bc0c-df9a6330e3f7_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 08:50:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9CD3183466; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:50:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Yihh4wrxvEmgupfw6whe/EkdwMPtMxqeggiPQwRzJmE=; b=Gg2SuC5sVAzM7iL8miBTlMmkSCfmElz6Gx31hBbQRWyyClx2R0W1HTby/b9pCvnRdE 2JYmAlXADj0V3ivnta22b69y4fAYd7bkEW4jRGpPUIYcxuEeA0luTTpLdMxOadjrBF9h S0+1kGhWvujieGCcFu1t07SCZwnkNW4qXdtUKfqqhh//dlBtcec6ylAfrrJ3OrFHhymm gnsQ/E1ymdVRg7JDuOIaDun3QXHMH3fVffQf9ad3YLusOJXdgrr5dqzPLP/HO9fU25Lz 27QkDdhpjkG79DKh4cvOHusHr8dI1ibr+JYdn1b6QaVTfyKUQ8bzMxVKlFKi9fjLvkFT mK5Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 10:50:09 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: my open letter to DIGITECH (begging for a better delay based looper) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:50:10 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 6:48 AM, Art Simon wrote: > I love the PSP 42 vst, but if it had 20 seconds of delay I'd use it a lot > more! Hi Art, I too am a big fan of the PSP 42 but so far I have not been able to run it without crashing the host (Ableton Live in this case). Didn't you experience that bug? I like to run the PSP 42 to mangle sound before a looper that can snatch longer loops (like several minutes on instant demand like with Augustus Loop and Mobius). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 09:32:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD4B5183463; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:32:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_705aa53c-14f8-4fab-a413-3e0467ef0261_" X-Originating-IP: [217.92.117.212] From: Sergio G Sender: To: Subject: RE: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet? Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:32:00 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2012 09:32:00.0338 (UTC) FILETIME=[D9E03B20:01CD6335] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:32:01 +0000 (UTC) --_705aa53c-14f8-4fab-a413-3e0467ef0261_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No idea. As far as I know=2C from the manual received and from a short emai= l interchange with Mike (which never commented my suggestions -among which = also a midi sync) I would say no. Something which I really really really really really really miss in the Ran= g is a "pause" function.I can only play or stop a loop. So=2C in Sync mode= =2C if I stop a loop then when I restart it it must wait the master loop to= start from the beginning=2C which I guess is why Mike says that it is bett= er to have a short master. THe problem is worse when I stop loop 3=2C then = supposing I have number 2 and 1 playing=2C and I stop 1=2C then if I want t= o restart 1 or 3 they must wait the 2 to begins again (and if 2 is long=2C = that is very annoying).My idea is that it should be possible to pause (or M= UTE) one or all loops=2C so that they keep playing but no sound comes out= =2C and when you unmute them=2C they are still perfectly synced.THis is ver= y cool for lot of things which maybe some of you do not use=2C but I use th= e looper mostly to do things like Bauchklang (ook for them in youtube and s= oundcloud)=2C a beatbox band which make techno electro music live=2C just w= ith the voice. I LOVE THEM=2C and it is two times that I have the honour to= jam with them on stage during their concerts here. I can't beatbox like th= em but I can sing overtones quite well and the pubblic get crazy. :)So=2C f= or that kind of music=2C it is important the speed of pause/restart.Maybe o= ne day I will need other tools.Now I am poor and unsatisfied with my job=2C= so=2C I must go ahead with what I have. Bye! From: buddhamachine@live.co.uk To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet? Date: Mon=2C 16 Jul 2012 04:58:53 +0000 Anyone know if MIDI sync has been implemented yet? There was some talk of s= omething being ready "in a couple of weeks" back in March.. peace Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk = --_705aa53c-14f8-4fab-a413-3e0467ef0261_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No idea. As far as I know=2C from the manual received and from a short emai= l interchange with Mike (which never commented my suggestions -among which = also a midi sync) I would say no.

Something which I real= ly really really really really really miss in the Rang is a "pause" functio= n.
I can only play or stop a loop. So=2C in Sync mode=2C if I sto= p a loop then when I restart it it must wait the master loop to start from = the beginning=2C which I guess is why Mike says that it is better to have a= short master. THe problem is worse when I stop loop 3=2C then supposing I = have number 2 and 1 playing=2C and I stop 1=2C then if I want to restart 1 = or 3 they must wait the 2 to begins again (and if 2 is long=2C that is very= annoying).
My idea is that it should be possible to pause (or MU= TE) one or all loops=2C so that they keep playing but no sound comes out=2C= and when you unmute them=2C they are still perfectly synced.
THi= s is very cool for lot of things which maybe some of you do not use=2C but = I use the looper mostly to do things like Bauchklang (ook for them in youtu= be and soundcloud)=2C a beatbox band which make techno electro music live= =2C just with the voice. I LOVE THEM=2C and it is two times that I have the= honour to jam with them on stage during their concerts here. I can't beatb= ox like them but I can sing overtones quite well and the pubblic get crazy.= :)
So=2C for that kind of music=2C it is important the speed of = pause/restart.
Maybe one day I will need other tools.
N= ow I am poor and unsatisfied with my job=2C so=2C I must go ahead with what= I have.

Bye!


From: buddhamachine@live.co.uk
To:= loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet?
D= ate: Mon=2C 16 Jul 2012 04:58:53 +0000

Anyone know if MIDI sync has been implemented yet? There was some talk of s= omething being ready "in a couple of weeks" back in March..

<= div>peace

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk



= --_705aa53c-14f8-4fab-a413-3e0467ef0261_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 09:51:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CBF6183465; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:51:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_f58885f2-0529-4665-9482-469418030280_" X-Originating-IP: [86.153.221.83] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet? Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:51:52 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2012 09:51:53.0387 (UTC) FILETIME=[A0FD0FB0:01CD6338] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:51:54 +0000 (UTC) --_f58885f2-0529-4665-9482-469418030280_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Sergio=2C Couldn't you turn the volume of the different tracks down to z= ero and then back up again? Peace g Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk From: simpliflying@gmail.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet? Date: Mon=2C 16 Jul 2012 09:32:00 +0000 No idea. As far as I know=2C from the manual received and from a short emai= l interchange with Mike (which never commented my suggestions -among which = also a midi sync) I would say no. Something which I really really really really really really miss in the Ran= g is a "pause" function.I can only play or stop a loop. So=2C in Sync mode= =2C if I stop a loop then when I restart it it must wait the master loop to= start from the beginning=2C which I guess is why Mike says that it is bett= er to have a short master. THe problem is worse when I stop loop 3=2C then = supposing I have number 2 and 1 playing=2C and I stop 1=2C then if I want t= o restart 1 or 3 they must wait the 2 to begins again (and if 2 is long=2C = that is very annoying).My idea is that it should be possible to pause (or M= UTE) one or all loops=2C so that they keep playing but no sound comes out= =2C and when you unmute them=2C they are still perfectly synced.THis is ver= y cool for lot of things which maybe some of you do not use=2C but I use th= e looper mostly to do things like Bauchklang (ook for them in youtube and s= oundcloud)=2C a beatbox band which make techno electro music live=2C just w= ith the voice. I LOVE THEM=2C and it is two times that I have the honour to= jam with them on stage during their concerts here. I can't beatbox like th= em but I can sing overtones quite well and the pubblic get crazy. :)So=2C f= or that kind of music=2C it is important the speed of pause/restart.Maybe o= ne day I will need other tools.Now I am poor and unsatisfied with my job=2C= so=2C I must go ahead with what I have. Bye! From: buddhamachine@live.co.uk To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet? Date: Mon=2C 16 Jul 2012 04:58:53 +0000 Anyone know if MIDI sync has been implemented yet? There was some talk of s= omething being ready "in a couple of weeks" back in March.. peace Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk = --_f58885f2-0529-4665-9482-469418030280_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Sergio=2C =3B
Couldn't you turn the volume of the different trac= ks down to zero and then back up again?

Peace
=
g

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk


From: simpl= iflying@gmail.com
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE= : Rang 3 MIDI sync yet?
Date: Mon=2C 16 Jul 2012 09:32:00 +0000

No idea. As far as I know=2C from the manual received and from a short emai= l interchange with Mike (which never commented my suggestions -among which = also a midi sync) I would say no.

Something which I real= ly really really really really really miss in the Rang is a "pause" functio= n.
I can only play or stop a loop. So=2C in Sync mode=2C if I sto= p a loop then when I restart it it must wait the master loop to start from = the beginning=2C which I guess is why Mike says that it is better to have a= short master. THe problem is worse when I stop loop 3=2C then supposing I = have number 2 and 1 playing=2C and I stop 1=2C then if I want to restart 1 = or 3 they must wait the 2 to begins again (and if 2 is long=2C that is very= annoying).
My idea is that it should be possible to pause (or MU= TE) one or all loops=2C so that they keep playing but no sound comes out=2C= and when you unmute them=2C they are still perfectly synced.
THi= s is very cool for lot of things which maybe some of you do not use=2C but = I use the looper mostly to do things like Bauchklang (ook for them in youtu= be and soundcloud)=2C a beatbox band which make techno electro music live= =2C just with the voice. I LOVE THEM=2C and it is two times that I have the= honour to jam with them on stage during their concerts here. I can't beatb= ox like them but I can sing overtones quite well and the pubblic get crazy.= :)
So=2C for that kind of music=2C it is important the speed of = pause/restart.
Maybe one day I will need other tools.
N= ow I am poor and unsatisfied with my job=2C so=2C I must go ahead with what= I have.

Bye!


From: buddhamachine@live.co.uk<= br>To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet= ?
Date: Mon=2C 16 Jul 2012 04:58:53 +0000

Anyone know if MIDI sync has been implemented yet? There was some talk of s= omething being ready "in a couple of weeks" back in March..

<= div>peace

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk



= --_f58885f2-0529-4665-9482-469418030280_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 14:19:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0354C183465; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 14:19:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=4fJTaY9iJIP3GKoewT1MxWBiw6apVMz3th6mOZ69XNQ=; b=a5VzwBq07G0A1EOYmhQHTz1cHNjsH92MyXl7eZa+dpQ7iK+Aay4B6rJ8G9C6XZk+uk 5TGwYVhdv6Jqj2G+p/4CjAyn30viJIXOb+sykIOTtTnKAxHhBlCIS/ZvtCIIeUpr43WV U1CTgPMq2eXgdrkZMXwCJpgIV8wFNF8Q4wLQPtKJc9zEpFViOm6hokdCyGXDH8yZvSF2 6gvKuOQyr3DOjkBMDEY09StTuJOM/rG0IT0bI4DEwkoVXqMxt1h3Sr3DbtFifRtj8jFs 8QLEZft493G08rMIRFoBfa/55dfVASGVonkNL006LTuY+FlCysvdtsOQ5WQMbRXFA2yV V5CA== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Subject: Re: EDP beatsync and brothersync From: Philip In-Reply-To: <4FD4DEC4.9000707@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 23:19:43 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4FD4A7F8.9010708@tiscali.co.uk> <18529826-7CEC-463E-A20C-47C7D871B596@gmail.com> <4FD4DEC4.9000707@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 14:19:49 +0000 (UTC) Sorry to revive this.=20 I've still been having trouble doing this (so I have a click from the = machine going into both EDP1 and EDP2). When I click a button on the Foot Controller, only one of them responds = to the command. Because the signal going into the EDPs is a stereo = signal from an AxeFx2, it would be nice to have both machines starting = and stopping at the same time. Any advice would be appreciated. Quite frankly, even without them all = synced up I absolutely love these machines. I was able to locate a = totally mint pair of EDP+ with loopIV on eBay for $600@ Philip On Jun 11, 2012, at 2:52 AM, andy butler wrote: > hi Philip, >=20 > ok, I have my EDP2 synced to my EDP1 by BeatSync as a try out. >=20 > EDP1 is sending out a pulse at the start of each cycle SYNC=3D OUT >=20 > and EDP2 is getting the loop length by measuring the length between = pulses SYNC=3D IN >=20 >=20 >=20 > Now, > put them both to SYNC=3DIN and they'll both track the drum machine. >=20 > So, it's one beat per measure...that's the answer. >=20 > ..but say you did 4 beats per measure you could still stay in sync, if = you had > a 4 cycle loop. > (or a synced polyrhythm if you wanted) >=20 >=20 > I don't know how tight the sync is going to be using the drum machine = sound, > syncing to the pulse is pretty tight. >=20 > andy >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > philip wrote: >> Thanks Andy, >> So if I understand this correctly, I can send a beat from the 808 to = two EDPs, I can control them separately but they will be in sync with = the 808? >> Without having all of the gear in one place, I'm trying to figure = this out in my mind first--if I have the EDP beatsync receiving the = signal from lets say the cowbell on the 808, should I have it set for = one beat per measure, four, 16? Is there any setting that works better = than others? >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 15:58:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 022D3183474; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 15:58:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_497c1a48-74f7-438a-85e5-9825373227b1_" X-Originating-IP: [217.92.117.212] From: Sergio G Sender: To: Subject: RE: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet? Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 15:58:07 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,,,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2012 15:58:08.0835 (UTC) FILETIME=[CB605130:01CD636B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 15:58:09 +0000 (UTC) --_497c1a48-74f7-438a-85e5-9825373227b1_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Gareth=2C that=B4s what I do=2C but it is much slower and imprecise and uncomfortable= . If you need an instantaneous mute you do not get it like that=2C and if y= ou have each loop at a different volume it is a complete mess.A simple mute= function would be genius.Finde ich (I find) Sergio (soon "Ich Denke Ger=E4usche" =3D "I think Sounds") From: buddhamachine@live.co.uk To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet? Date: Mon=2C 16 Jul 2012 09:51:52 +0000 Hi Sergio=2C Couldn't you turn the volume of the different tracks down to z= ero and then back up again? Peace g Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk From: simpliflying@gmail.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet? Date: Mon=2C 16 Jul 2012 09:32:00 +0000 No idea. As far as I know=2C from the manual received and from a short emai= l interchange with Mike (which never commented my suggestions -among which = also a midi sync) I would say no. Something which I really really really really really really miss in the Ran= g is a "pause" function.I can only play or stop a loop. So=2C in Sync mode= =2C if I stop a loop then when I restart it it must wait the master loop to= start from the beginning=2C which I guess is why Mike says that it is bett= er to have a short master. THe problem is worse when I stop loop 3=2C then = supposing I have number 2 and 1 playing=2C and I stop 1=2C then if I want t= o restart 1 or 3 they must wait the 2 to begins again (and if 2 is long=2C = that is very annoying).My idea is that it should be possible to pause (or M= UTE) one or all loops=2C so that they keep playing but no sound comes out= =2C and when you unmute them=2C they are still perfectly synced.THis is ver= y cool for lot of things which maybe some of you do not use=2C but I use th= e looper mostly to do things like Bauchklang (ook for them in youtube and s= oundcloud)=2C a beatbox band which make techno electro music live=2C just w= ith the voice. I LOVE THEM=2C and it is two times that I have the honour to= jam with them on stage during their concerts here. I can't beatbox like th= em but I can sing overtones quite well and the pubblic get crazy. :)So=2C f= or that kind of music=2C it is important the speed of pause/restart.Maybe o= ne day I will need other tools.Now I am poor and unsatisfied with my job=2C= so=2C I must go ahead with what I have. Bye! From: buddhamachine@live.co.uk To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet? Date: Mon=2C 16 Jul 2012 04:58:53 +0000 Anyone know if MIDI sync has been implemented yet? There was some talk of s= omething being ready "in a couple of weeks" back in March.. peace Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk = --_497c1a48-74f7-438a-85e5-9825373227b1_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Gareth=2C

that=B4s what I do=2C but it is much slo= wer and =3Bimprecise =3Band uncomfortable. If you need an instantan= eous mute you do not get it like that=2C and if you have each loop at a dif= ferent volume it is a complete mess.
A simple mute function would= be =3Bgenius.
Finde ich (I find)

Se= rgio (soon "Ich Denke Ger=E4usche" =3D "I think Sounds")


From: buddhamachine= @live.co.uk
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Rang= 3 MIDI sync yet?
Date: Mon=2C 16 Jul 2012 09:51:52 +0000

Hi Sergio=2C =3B
Couldn't you turn the volume of the different trac= ks down to zero and then back up again?

Peace
=
g

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk


From:= simpliflying@gmail.com
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subje= ct: RE: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet?
Date: Mon=2C 16 Jul 2012 09:32:00 +0000
No idea. As far as I know=2C from the manual received and from a short emai= l interchange with Mike (which never commented my suggestions -among which = also a midi sync) I would say no.

Something which I real= ly really really really really really miss in the Rang is a "pause" functio= n.
I can only play or stop a loop. So=2C in Sync mode=2C if I sto= p a loop then when I restart it it must wait the master loop to start from = the beginning=2C which I guess is why Mike says that it is better to have a= short master. THe problem is worse when I stop loop 3=2C then supposing I = have number 2 and 1 playing=2C and I stop 1=2C then if I want to restart 1 = or 3 they must wait the 2 to begins again (and if 2 is long=2C that is very= annoying).
My idea is that it should be possible to pause (or MU= TE) one or all loops=2C so that they keep playing but no sound comes out=2C= and when you unmute them=2C they are still perfectly synced.
THi= s is very cool for lot of things which maybe some of you do not use=2C but = I use the looper mostly to do things like Bauchklang (ook for them in youtu= be and soundcloud)=2C a beatbox band which make techno electro music live= =2C just with the voice. I LOVE THEM=2C and it is two times that I have the= honour to jam with them on stage during their concerts here. I can't beatb= ox like them but I can sing overtones quite well and the pubblic get crazy.= :)
So=2C for that kind of music=2C it is important the speed of = pause/restart.
Maybe one day I will need other tools.
N= ow I am poor and unsatisfied with my job=2C so=2C I must go ahead with what= I have.

Bye!


From: buddhamachine@live.co.uk<= br>To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet= ?
Date: Mon=2C 16 Jul 2012 04:58:53 +0000

Anyone know if MIDI sync has been implemented yet? There was some talk of s= omething being ready "in a couple of weeks" back in March..

<= div>peace

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk



= --_497c1a48-74f7-438a-85e5-9825373227b1_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 16:29:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC1E0183466; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 16:29:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 104850.97890.bm@omp1007.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1342456139; bh=4tRnw7WUnC14UUMEk5YnvXUWbKm8bzN9YGT7z4/bU6k=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sPU/4yT+M7GwVIcXx0XBKSUU4uUDgy0NFrDWeNcD46ZBzTRRhg3L7r+VTsR3kEiopCycO53LbkIR+JSBbiH4zmGdyL2iVSZ5BI4ZOmtKBDU2RyuG9tpo4dOIYdk+FR8f/cif68wzPSTO1cD4+so35qhEKdq5p3yQHaROmjgIPHI= X-YMail-OSG: 0v00yjMVM1mTvOCCvq6Q6lXZl3eg43_84b_5p4.CXYj6y6s cZoKV_3zxYUoND.BSIyF0weRTU_f4gqge6QTAVjhoNES_82NkyCCBMomO5Oq eazjm92aL5Vurmt2fOpNkvASeeP8AQHyIKWPH5kiz1YupgHRM_tuJaENcwj8 sZv_Q9vmlctr6qG8wrPLY5LLNDIbGhtI0PG6eCL.TpFU2Idk22uCRLiCVPgx NdMPho45W85C2JlbQgwuOFnnUaF1IPrRV8u8o3RlWYCp6U4wJv5FV0fXJunA 2qT61VA_GbdzpTrF0eyjhy7XgNvoxMT5hTENnMUT8efucjx5asZwBFimX9XM VROn2Le.2LVDQYDFXv7uzMYAT3oS3zCBBIXdmeiJMNNwEdj_BzAI43iqitcY sfs1hOj5VGsAb06L2k9MuONy34hVzoz9Yw5lzjR7C5RgmOmascZgICh9SLWW Gb6rRLutmZvgMH5u1AujiqxZiqvi1PQxebDF6IzVpwgoBF9_VP_YKn5UBPsn zQnsrHgkhlxzaiwZipaiP2hrbsobBbWz7Ut_oma0YXk7gcjLjUBBfrPkSgQa pNt8S4y6zuUBy1uFte6ZJcMU9RVB9U1iYyBXAuWzLjMhqOIFadK2DQNGHtFO Ysd3pgyvGIzNKntxYyo.mtBj.KJMqt7z5Z5US8Mc1iUCZEgtfPVwaGOBPwj4 .4C4.MP4wjnqfhLnBrOnkJmYvKEeN X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1342456139.76493.YahooMailClassic@web84513.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:28:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Mungenast Subject: Re: my open letter to DIGITECH (begging for a better delay based looper) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-873129165-1972739697-1342456139=:76493" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 16:29:01 +0000 (UTC) ---873129165-1972739697-1342456139=:76493 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Scott, as an owner of a Digitech pedal looper, I salute you. Tim Mungenast Editor/Writer/Proofreader: www.linkedin.com/in/timmungenast Guitarist/Composer/Vocalist: www.reverbnation.com/timmungenast --- On Sun, 7/15/12, Scott Hansen wrote: From: Scott Hansen Subject: my open letter to DIGITECH (begging for a better delay based loope= r) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sunday, July 15, 2012, 7:20 PM decided to share what i did when i was bored yesterday.=A0i was on TGP (the= gear page) looking something up, and saw that some digitech rep had asked = for folks to fill out some survey. so i did, i was hoping=0Athat it would h= ave some "comments welcome" at the end, but it didn't. but they did post th= eir email for support (which i'm sure is on their website, butsince i only = have a DL8 and not one of their multieffects units, i don't check their web= site much....). anyway, i figured i post many messages to =0Athis site and = to TGP begging digitech to put out some better delay that is similar to the= ir old pds8000 (for the pitchshifting varispeed stuff that bill frisell use= d to do).i figured bill frisell probably doesn't email them asking for them= to do this (although he should), i figured i'd do it. i doubt i have any w= eight in the world,=0Abut it's worth a shot.=A0this is what i sent yesterda= y:=A0dear digitech-i have posted similar things on the loopers-delight.com = and thegearpage websites (as an open letter).=0Ai decided to just send you = an email directly. i filled out some survey thing you had, hoping it had so= me comments at the end, but it didn't.=A0i'm writing to ask/beg/implore you= to reissue or make some new variation of the =0A=A0digitech pds8000 delay-= this would be the one that the guitarist bill frisell used to use in the pa= st to great effect.or the lexicon pcm 42 -that david torn uses still (for 3= 0+ yrs, his is modded to have 20 sec of delay)=0A=A0Both of these delays ho= ld the notes w/in the delay and you could modulate the time from fast to sl= ow or slow to fast (raise or lowers pitch)=A0i currently have your digitech= dl8-and i like it for it's 8 sec of delay (i don't use the loop function, = that's a joke to me), but i honestly wish it would do what the=0Apds8000=A0= or the pcm 42 could do.=A0i know that you have the various new versions of= the jamman pedals out-which honestly is also a joke i think. i'm tired of = creating static loops. i am a person=0Awho likes to manipulate the loops an= d mess w/ time.=A0heck, if you want to make it like the old electro harmoni= x 16ddl and add reverse to the delay, that would be awesome also! but i won= 't shoot for the moon. (B Frisell also used that)=0A=A0i don't know what ch= ip is in the pds8000, but it would be great if you could make that or some = version of it again.stop putting out all these delays that when you just ma= nipulate the time, it just kind of slurs or warps the sound, but the origin= al info is not really there.=0A=A0i know you seem to be moving into the IPA= D version of effects, but honestly, the pds8000 which came out in the late = 80s or early 90s, to me seems like a better device.=A0maybe you could make = it as some type of NEW DELAY BASED LOOPER-sort of like the pds8000 or the l= exicon pcm 42-that would be perfect.=0A=A0please note that i am not a famou= s or great guitarist like the 2 i've mentioned, i'm just a guitarist who li= kes to use delay based loopers, and am sick of all the phrase sampler loope= rs that =0Aget released that really don't do anything except static loops.t= hanks,Scott Hansen=0A ---873129165-1972739697-1342456139=:76493 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---873129165-1972739697-1342456139=:76493-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 16:43:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7ED8183473; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 16:43:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=0FOxeiQojHITyByGhPvq97y/taJ8Z/ellV0HHx8+2tI=; b=qEBnPOmALf7KY10qECNqyC7fJRBkSBQtKmxQFDnyIRPw3Ra+dS9xp7M4sClrOf6Lpb L/DKEN/g0sX5TXshDiZYzvULsb9eKb9BhAozk776yJSTJc5CMXHkWHkMy5nHvohDF7VQ PhIUJk+SJJkJj1yDPz0yJ3KpgjIP4FoL3mGLPr6KQSDeS7uK61mcIkEaag2mbK5JxTnN 19W4RgRrdXlUJTsxBKPS9eNQhhwh2QbviDAYJMWbgMDB2iFnbIPl8p2ZSPhL9tagGZwr bAZwMY+K6BO5NEVaLhTtezCHYWeFTUhTOZKQV+25JkAFtVArBO+zUO6gVUj5Dn42rrc8 lPAA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1342456139.76493.YahooMailClassic@web84513.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1342456139.76493.YahooMailClassic@web84513.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:43:51 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: my open letter to DIGITECH (begging for a better delay based looper) From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6db7dd58aea8804c4f522b1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 16:43:53 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6db7dd58aea8804c4f522b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Gareth & Per, I'm PC based, and I just went through the process of upgrading to 64 bit Windows. What a pain! As an aside, that's another big advantage for MacOS that you don't have to choose to install 32 bit or 64 bit. I haven't tried the PSP42 with Ableton, so I haven't seen the bug Per mentioned. In fact I haven't used PSP42 in a while. As I upgrade or reinstall Windows, I find I don't have the patience to reauthorize all my copy protected VSTs. The paid apps that I really use are Ableton, EnergyXT, Stylus RMX and Trillian. Everything else I use is freeware, which is still an advantage of PCs. I looked for a freeware delay where you could crank the speed up and down like you can on the PDS8000, but I didn't find one. -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com --0016e6db7dd58aea8804c4f522b1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gareth & Per,

I'm PC based, and I just went t= hrough the process of upgrading to 64 bit Windows. What a pain! As an aside= , that's another big advantage for MacOS that you don't have to cho= ose to install 32 bit or 64 bit.

I haven't tried the PSP42 with Ableton, so I haven&= #39;t seen the bug Per mentioned. In fact I haven't used PSP42 in a whi= le. As I upgrade or reinstall Windows, I find I don't have the patience= to reauthorize all my copy protected VSTs. The paid apps that I really use= are Ableton, EnergyXT, Stylus RMX and Trillian. Everything else I use is f= reeware, which is still an advantage of PCs. I looked for a freeware delay = where you could crank the speed up and down like you can on the PDS8000, bu= t I didn't find one.

--=A0
Art Simon
simart@gmail.com

--0016e6db7dd58aea8804c4f522b1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 17:04:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 685B2183465; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:04:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=KRgPsjRmbT0Jv7zaDKL0e3Jo+4YgJSv0mWHjLVtrjvP72LZBbNivzDN0yZOPya9g; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <9598924.1342458283576.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:04:43 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Grant Reply-To: Grant To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 X-ELNK-Trace: 4627597e215714c3ca853a8129e90869f402879cecb40bd5732a0b5671e97670cfeb77c039560b68c9f13fddfa2489ae350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.37 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:04:54 +0000 (UTC)

That's an interesting idea. I took the liberty of sending it to Mike for consideration. In the meantime I had one idea if you could get by with two mono loops--record one loop on the left channel and one on the right. You would need an A/B switch on the input and a couple of ON/OFF switches on the outputs (possibly momentary?) but all could be built in a small pedal case with appropriate switches and jacks. Kinda clunky I admit but it might work. With some kind of synchronization this could be expanded over two or more additional loopers for more tracks.

 


-----Original Message-----
From: Sergio G

Something which I really really really really really really miss in the Rang is a "pause" function.
I can only play or stop a loop. So, in Sync mode, if I stop a loop then when I restart it it must wait the master loop to start from the beginning, which I guess is why Mike says that it is better to have a short master. THe problem is worse when I stop loop 3, then supposing I have number 2 and 1 playing, and I stop 1, then if I want to restart 1 or 3 they must wait the 2 to begins again (and if 2 is long, that is very annoying).
My idea is that it should be possible to pause (or MUTE) one or all loops, so that they keep playing but no sound comes out, and when you unmute them, they are still perfectly synced.
THis is very cool for lot of things which maybe some of you do not use, but I use the looper mostly to do things like Bauchklang (ook for them in youtube and soundcloud), a beatbox band which make techno electro music live, just with the voice. I LOVE THEM, and it is two times that I have the honour to jam with them on stage during their concerts here. I can't beatbox like them but I can sing overtones quite well and the pubblic get crazy. :)
So, for that kind of music, it is important the speed of pause/restart.
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 18:06:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D87A183460; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:06:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 487 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:06:32 UTC References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2B158127-8099-4BAC-BED0-618C9AC55332 Message-Id: <7127F325-53C5-40ED-B50F-CDABC1A6192A@grubmah.com> Cc: "" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet? Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 10:58:16 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:06:33 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2B158127-8099-4BAC-BED0-618C9AC55332 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii One of the great strengths of the EDP is that while it can quantize many act= ions, it doesn't force one to do so. For example, I wish on the Rang when wo= rking in Sync mode that you could start recording whenever and it would just= quantize the loop length based on the master. Mark On Jul 16, 2012, at 2:32 AM, Sergio G wrote: > No idea. As far as I know, from the manual received and from a short email= interchange with Mike (which never commented my suggestions -among which al= so a midi sync) I would say no. >=20 > Something which I really really really really really really miss in the Ra= ng is a "pause" function. > I can only play or stop a loop. So, in Sync mode, if I stop a loop then wh= en I restart it it must wait the master loop to start from the beginning, wh= ich I guess is why Mike says that it is better to have a short master. THe p= roblem is worse when I stop loop 3, then supposing I have number 2 and 1 pla= ying, and I stop 1, then if I want to restart 1 or 3 they must wait the 2 to= begins again (and if 2 is long, that is very annoying). > My idea is that it should be possible to pause (or MUTE) one or all loops,= so that they keep playing but no sound comes out, and when you unmute them,= they are still perfectly synced. > THis is very cool for lot of things which maybe some of you do not use, bu= t I use the looper mostly to do things like Bauchklang (ook for them in yout= ube and soundcloud), a beatbox band which make techno electro music live, ju= st with the voice. I LOVE THEM, and it is two times that I have the honour t= o jam with them on stage during their concerts here. I can't beatbox like th= em but I can sing overtones quite well and the pubblic get crazy. :) > So, for that kind of music, it is important the speed of pause/restart. > Maybe one day I will need other tools. > Now I am poor and unsatisfied with my job, so, I must go ahead with what I= have. >=20 > Bye! >=20 > From: buddhamachine@live.co.uk > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet? > Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 04:58:53 +0000 >=20 > Anyone know if MIDI sync has been implemented yet? There was some talk of s= omething being ready "in a couple of weeks" back in March.. >=20 > peace >=20 > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-2B158127-8099-4BAC-BED0-618C9AC55332 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
One of the great strengths= of the EDP is that while it can quantize many actions, it doesn't force one= to do so. For example, I wish on the Rang when working in Sync mode that yo= u could start recording whenever and it would just quantize the loop length b= ased on the master.

Mark

On Jul 16, 2012, at= 2:32 AM, Sergio G <simpliflyin= g@gmail.com> wrote:

No idea. As far as I know, from the manual received and from a short email i= nterchange with Mike (which never commented my suggestions -among which also= a midi sync) I would say no.

Something which I really re= ally really really really really miss in the Rang is a "pause" function.
I can only play or stop a loop. So, in Sync mode, if I stop a loop th= en when I restart it it must wait the master loop to start from the beginnin= g, which I guess is why Mike says that it is better to have a short master. T= He problem is worse when I stop loop 3, then supposing I have number 2 and 1= playing, and I stop 1, then if I want to restart 1 or 3 they must wait the 2= to begins again (and if 2 is long, that is very annoying).
My ide= a is that it should be possible to pause (or MUTE) one or all loops, so that= they keep playing but no sound comes out, and when you unmute them, they ar= e still perfectly synced.
THis is very cool for lot of things whic= h maybe some of you do not use, but I use the looper mostly to do things lik= e Bauchklang (ook for them in youtube and soundcloud), a beatbox band which m= ake techno electro music live, just with the voice. I LOVE THEM, and it is t= wo times that I have the honour to jam with them on stage during their conce= rts here. I can't beatbox like them but I can sing overtones quite well and t= he pubblic get crazy. :)
So, for that kind of music, it is importa= nt the speed of pause/restart.
Maybe one day I will need other too= ls.
Now I am poor and unsatisfied with my job, so, I must go ahead= with what I have.

Bye!


From: buddhamachine@live.co.uk
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com<= br>Subject: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet?
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 04:58:53 +0000
Anyone know if MIDI sync has been implemented yet? There was some talk of so= mething being ready "in a couple of weeks" back in March..

peace

Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk



= --Apple-Mail-2B158127-8099-4BAC-BED0-618C9AC55332-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 18:18:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B40AF183460; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:18:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 628735.11652.bm@omp1016.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1342462731; bh=clyYCynxDq1Reyf4/Dwyubyb1OsLhZjDAXmhRvxuSE4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bPlnBO677+gzZTCMVHtl1MtDz+3LkfbbHeXt9+vRxTCZknsKQwMYHqh6/dnBk8D4TsBRFSwGJ7NOIRn93C5SFWS8L9AeMKiIpmqraEnzU4FgnZbfFbEx7bVvhyEBiReMox1VmK8aSTPSglXG7XVbu684OB9qj1c2CO2TDGCU/lQ= X-YMail-OSG: 0s95kboVM1kM7gBEbYbHMaCCw1lk0TTBaQv3oLSbPUnht60 mE6peblZVzRrn0eSkZMPpHrxi2hdZVWNT6gM9575EreQCoRQRjB65xVrFlKN lWoQAPJLh6OYKa7SWEKmpIrJ.3_iL2Y_EfGXsCrID9PDbXL6ZRfkqs.bfKIR 7fBYzdPRqd.jvKFoumAmoVfXTXACPexlvYxcK4q5M3xbLKy_YWMbJBCZDh_H Xhtkw1KWBV9f.qb2wB38gB4m.kR6pi0hY2CKaGTICxnWY0nWbiU_xVoJM6DX eHqfY7TeHT7FkEH19I.GDKrIFui9gw8VrsyIVp8qxpxsSpe40XxwRAEKi3ZM 9bF8eqsxsV5K33yiIXDBR2DtZ1pnfXUlhR8AUy7e0QnugBPciSDsBXtmT6Wh PK.JFTGPuhI4GkQsY4r_w1Ahzo8myDMLc7Bvrz_uR156._57gY9fF4Yhflm2 XQ3D7zL8swASPcr_AHZZCYnyjVrlvuPWTbAlbgJbYv4HH X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1342462730.11568.YahooMailClassic@web84510.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 11:18:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Mungenast Subject: Re: my open letter to DIGITECH (begging for a better delay based looper) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1023692596-140971174-1342462730=:11568" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:18:52 +0000 (UTC) --1023692596-140971174-1342462730=:11568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK, so this thread started with a theme of delay-based looping pedals and n= ow it's about laptops?? (LOL) I hereby dub all of you honorary members of T= IM'S DIGRESSION WORKSHOP.=A0=A0 :D=20 =A0(This is actually quite an honor. ;-) Our motto is "RECURSIS: FOILED AGAIN!" --- On Mon, 7/16/12, Art Simon wrote: From: Art Simon Subject: Re: my open letter to DIGITECH (begging for a better delay based l= ooper) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Monday, July 16, 2012, 12:43 PM Hi Gareth & Per, I'm PC based, and I just went through the process of upgrading to 64 bit Wi= ndows. What a pain! As an aside, that's another big advantage for MacOS tha= t you don't have to choose to install 32 bit or 64 bit.=0A I haven't tried the PSP42 with Ableton, so I haven't seen the bug Per menti= oned. In fact I haven't used PSP42 in a while. As I upgrade or reinstall Wi= ndows, I find I don't have the patience to reauthorize all my copy protecte= d VSTs. The paid apps that I really use are Ableton, EnergyXT, Stylus RMX a= nd Trillian. Everything else I use is freeware, which is still an advantage= of PCs. I looked for a freeware delay where you could crank the speed up a= nd down like you can on the PDS8000, but I didn't find one. =0A --=A0Art Simon simart@gmail.com =0A=0A --1023692596-140971174-1342462730=:11568 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Scott, as an owner of a Digitech pedal looper= , I salute you.


Tim Mungenast
Editor/Writer/Proofreader:= www.linkedin.com/in/timmungenast
Guitarist/Composer/Vocalis= t: www.reverbnation.com/timmungenast

--- On Sun,= 7/15/12, Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com>
Subjec= t: my open letter to DIGITECH (begging for a better delay based looper)
= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Sunday, July 15, 2012, 7:2= 0 PM

decided to share what i did when = i was bored yesterday.
 
i was on TGP (the gear pa= ge) looking something up, and saw that some digitech rep had asked for folk= s to fill out some survey. so i did, i was hoping
=0A
that it woul= d have some "comments welcome" at the end, but it didn't. but they did post= their email for support (which i'm sure is on their website, but
since i only have a DL8 and not one of their multieffects units, i don't c= heck their website much....). anyway, i figured i post many messages to =0A
this site and to TGP begging digitech to put out some better del= ay that is similar to their old pds8000 (for the pitchshifting varispeed st= uff that bill frisell used to do).
i figured bill frisell probabl= y doesn't email them asking for them to do this (although he should), i fig= ured i'd do it. i doubt i have any weight in the world,
=0A
but it= 's worth a shot.
 
this is what i sent yesterday:<= /div>
 
dear digitech-
i have posted similar t= hings on the loopers-delight.com and thegearpage websites (as an open le= tter).
=0A
i decided to just send you an email directly. i filled = out some survey thing you had, hoping it had some comments at the end, but = it didn't.
 
i'm writing to ask/beg/implore you to= reissue or make some new variation of the
=0A
 
d= igitech pds8000 delay-this would be the one that the guitarist bill frisell= used to use in the past to great effect.
or the
lexic= on pcm 42 -that david torn uses still (for 30+ yrs, his is modded to have 2= 0 sec of delay)
=0A
 
Both of these delays hold the= notes w/in the delay and you could modulate the time from fast to slow or = slow to fast (raise or lowers pitch)
 
i currently= have your digitech dl8-and i like it for it's 8 sec of delay (i don't use = the loop function, that's a joke to me), but i honestly wish it would do wh= at the
=0A
pds8000  or the pcm 42 could do.
 <= /div>
i know that you have the various new versions of the jamman pedal= s out-which honestly is also a joke i think. i'm tired of creating static l= oops. i am a person
=0A
who likes to manipulate the loops and mess= w/ time.
 
heck, if you want to make it like the = old electro harmonix 16ddl and add reverse to the delay, that would be awes= ome also! but i won't shoot for the moon. (B Frisell also used that)
= =0A
 
i don't know what chip is in the pds8000, but it w= ould be great if you could make that or some version of it again.
stop putting out all these delays that when you just manipulate the time, = it just kind of slurs or warps the sound, but the original info is not real= ly there.
=0A
 
i know you seem to be moving into t= he IPAD version of effects, but honestly, the pds8000 which came out in the= late 80s or early 90s, to me seems like a better device.
 <= /div>
maybe you could make it as some type of NEW DELAY BASED LOOPER-so= rt of like the pds8000 or the lexicon pcm 42-that would be perfect.
= =0A
 
please note that i am not a famous or great guitar= ist like the 2 i've mentioned, i'm just a guitarist who likes to use delay = based loopers, and am sick of all the phrase sampler loopers that
=0A=
get released that really don't do anything except static loops.
<= div>thanks,
Scott Hansen
=0A
OK, so this thread started with a theme of de= lay-based looping pedals and now it's about laptops?? (LOL) I hereby dub al= l of you honorary members of TIM'S DIGRESSION WORKSHOP.   :D
=  (This is actually quite an honor. ;-)

Our motto is "RECURSIS: = FOILED AGAIN!"




--- On Mon, 7/16/12, Art Simo= n <simart@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Art Simon <simart@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: my open letter t= o DIGITECH (begging for a better delay based looper)
To: Loopers-Delight= @loopers-delight.com
Date: Monday, July 16, 2012, 12:43 PM

Hi Gareth & Per,

I'm PC based, an= d I just went through the process of upgrading to 64 bit Windows. What a pain! As a= n aside, that's another big advantage for MacOS that you don't have to choo= se to install 32 bit or 64 bit.
=0A

I haven't tried= the PSP42 with Ableton, so I haven't seen the bug Per mentioned. In fact I= haven't used PSP42 in a while. As I upgrade or reinstall Windows, I find I= don't have the patience to reauthorize all my copy protected VSTs. The pai= d apps that I really use are Ableton, EnergyXT, Stylus RMX and Trillian. Ev= erything else I use is freeware, which is still an advantage of PCs. I look= ed for a freeware delay where you could crank the speed up and down like yo= u can on the PDS8000, but I didn't find one.
=0A
-- 
Art Simon
simart@gmail.com

=0A
=0A
<= /td>
--1023692596-140971174-1342462730=:11568-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 18:25:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C71D183465; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:25:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_85fa2431-6ab7-4742-9ed6-3ed0fa025bb9_" X-Originating-IP: [86.153.221.83] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: my open letter to DIGITECH (begging for a better delay based looper) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:25:47 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,<1342456139.76493.YahooMailClassic@web84513.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2012 18:25:48.0139 (UTC) FILETIME=[6BEED3B0:01CD6380] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:25:49 +0000 (UTC) --_85fa2431-6ab7-4742-9ed6-3ed0fa025bb9_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Art=2C if this is preventing you from creating the sounds you want=2C I'll = can probably make you one. Get in touch off-list if you're interested and l= et me know exactly what you'd like. I've been thinking of doing boutique VS= T's for artists for a while and this could be a useful exercise.. peace g Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk Date: Mon=2C 16 Jul 2012 09:43:51 -0700 Subject: Re: my open letter to DIGITECH (begging for a better delay based l= ooper) From: simart@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Hi Gareth & Per=2C I'm PC based=2C and I just went through the process of upgrading to 64 bit = Windows. What a pain! As an aside=2C that's another big advantage for MacOS= that you don't have to choose to install 32 bit or 64 bit. I haven't tried the PSP42 with Ableton=2C so I haven't seen the bug Per men= tioned. In fact I haven't used PSP42 in a while. As I upgrade or reinstall = Windows=2C I find I don't have the patience to reauthorize all my copy prot= ected VSTs. The paid apps that I really use are Ableton=2C EnergyXT=2C Styl= us RMX and Trillian. Everything else I use is freeware=2C which is still an= advantage of PCs. I looked for a freeware delay where you could crank the = speed up and down like you can on the PDS8000=2C but I didn't find one. -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com = --_85fa2431-6ab7-4742-9ed6-3ed0fa025bb9_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Art=2C if this is preventing you from creating the sounds you want=2C I'll = can probably make you one. =3B
Get in touch off-list if you're inte= rested and let me know exactly what you'd like. I've been thinking of doing= boutique VST's for artists  =3Bfor a while and this could be a useful = exercise..

peace

g

=
Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk


Date: Mon=2C 16 Jul 2012 09:43:= 51 -0700
Subject: Re: my open letter to DIGITECH (begging for a better d= elay based looper)
From: simart@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers= -delight.com

Hi Gareth &=3B Per=2C

I'm PC base= d=2C and I just went through the process of upgrading to 64 bit Windows. Wh= at a pain! As an aside=2C that's another big advantage for MacOS that you d= on't have to choose to install 32 bit or 64 bit.

I haven't tried the PSP42 with Ableton=2C so I haven't = seen the bug Per mentioned. In fact I haven't used PSP42 in a while. As I u= pgrade or reinstall Windows=2C I find I don't have the patience to reauthor= ize all my copy protected VSTs. The paid apps that I really use are Ableton= =2C EnergyXT=2C Stylus RMX and Trillian. Everything else I use is freeware= =2C which is still an advantage of PCs. I looked for a freeware delay where= you could crank the speed up and down like you can on the PDS8000=2C but I= didn't find one.

-- =3B
Art Simon
simart@gmail.com

= --_85fa2431-6ab7-4742-9ed6-3ed0fa025bb9_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 18:27:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14467183464; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:27:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Qz/jrzujqXJQ5OjBVUNEGdP7WdfrMoC6MiLczDO9nWE=; b=GNw1q+IOhiaBMHFv2AJpTboYkevq2KSK+KBfoxKcAbdkVuaz5NXgKaSxRIaelPfrUk 1PbIAAT3eXwscvUZPbkUrweRFNA4hD+9jtzwTa1obZLGghmIVC253QFjDO2Y/zZPXql0 K2Ip5SqL/8JQK9X1CwbyVoA9cKbhScpRvT06xNeqMU6jKf6LL89qJjQ2FzXZ8Be+eR6p 86KeQ7c1hbITzCTn06Scmswlx3H4RhHqHxubHxyGkGW828ztATeQjHXJNdgnv48wP24k z1K6N12zmSuCPGKizr1HkNwUHmraj7FucgqeG2h09JSZF2ys1FWMI8Gy9pHIbDpP113m bDkQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1342462730.11568.YahooMailClassic@web84510.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1342462730.11568.YahooMailClassic@web84510.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:27:42 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: my open letter to DIGITECH (begging for a better delay based looper) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:27:42 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Tim Mungenast wrote: > > OK, so this thread started with a theme of delay-based looping pedals and > now it's about laptops?? (LOL) Ha, ha... well, my interest is the performance functionality - not "laptop". It just happen to be that computer software deliver some of my sought after functionality. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 18:41:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73464183464; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:41:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 955554.19620.bm@omp1014.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1342464090; bh=uDi+IkZaaM/MzwoP9UqjwbTFKy9s0yBs6veMb5KWQC8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=igFKmwfwNJbagLFt41ZrOFUMrADPAg0xwt+2ZRzy+DYfD6LRssV4rXz1tWH0/ucD0cjkiHooUk1jjh7jHLNiLP+8PBlxgikJsMDgbKdgjrO4voh7oufS5xGSXyV/PLNLB154kAtuoNxrDS/djOrjd/YKPuoSUmIiBuFLIwQrTqo= X-YMail-OSG: bzeyursVM1nUfB53PO0v2h4MmTN1zPlam8uT4rHuioBeVgP LpESVUV.E7sdK2fNtkhb3luIyfXMDCGSRRWcUn01_NQ1ginIaZF9ULdaaUTZ OUCi18gEhS67Van1kITL.OYUyCCIfFBwZ4rygZdqeH.ZrR4fetV4BWVC0k4U D0UN0DgKOP2LM7sJP_f2u4r7KSE.xfMhdtdyRxa9Vk7ao1w_JCkcX8UJqb3K N_9GzJAmyOfqFmVWd5QFRth4O2qG4hHGs8TrsU2AmyLdIPT0uPSZ0sAzJgsg fc0QYAkDt_eWmgQn0QcoYw0lRVdNlvkHpTy1i3NYFR2L0XeO2vHAM71402Pz LM9oty.4_brAcLb6YpFj0nPWtzDzi42J8rHfAwJGxOlcEHzF74OxSn_3Zwl8 tUWZb3l9B48044DbUmkJDUhJ34Gjygsw53xyTFP0Fq6YZFKy4uvPmNi8h.1W gZKLwQU3JT3NhDlv4uMewr7.pwPA7cFLLWTSar6qNC8.y X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1342464090.63359.YahooMailClassic@web84517.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 11:41:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Mungenast Subject: Re: my open letter to DIGITECH (begging for a better delay based looper) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:41:32 +0000 (UTC) I hear you, Per. Getting the job done is really what's most important. We guitarists, however, tend to worship the TOOLS of creation as much as the ACT of creation itself. (No, I'm not saying that as if it's a bad thing... silly perhaps, but not bad. ;-) --- On Mon, 7/16/12, Per Boysen wrote: > From: Per Boysen > Subject: Re: my open letter to DIGITECH (begging for a better delay based looper) > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Monday, July 16, 2012, 2:27 PM > On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Tim > Mungenast > wrote: > > > > OK, so this thread started with a theme of delay-based > looping pedals and > > now it's about laptops?? (LOL) > > > Ha, ha... well, my interest is the performance functionality > - not > "laptop". It just happen to be that computer software > deliver some of > my sought after functionality. > > Per > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 19:00:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75122183464; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:00:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=ruKK0cL0s3b8yzTILrW1PfmqmdCpeI/3zZr5lKd8QlRnIAUmmthFeQDna9gS+q6J; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <11618068.1342465233331.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 14:00:33 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Grant Reply-To: Grant To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 X-ELNK-Trace: 4627597e215714c3ca853a8129e90869f402879cecb40bd5732a0b5671e97670329450c8910209ef0f8c8b6095907901350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.37 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:00:34 +0000 (UTC)

I suppose that makes sense but there problems later if you want to stop and then re-start loops that are not aligned to some sync boundry. Maybe this will be resolved by using the Free mode when MIDI sync is (hopefully) available. From what I have gathered it would seem you can make sync'ed loops with 1/4 note resolution and I'm assuming you won't need a master loop.

 

G


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Hamburg
Sent: Jul 16, 2012 12:58 PM
To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"
Cc: ""
Subject: Re: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet?

One of the great strengths of the EDP is that while it can quantize many actions, it doesn't force one to do so. For example, I wish on the Rang when working in Sync mode that you could start recording whenever and it would just quantize the loop length based on the master.

Mark

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 20:19:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47FAC183474; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:19:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:19:15 UTC References: <11618068.1342465233331.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <11618068.1342465233331.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4A96967E-D9FC-49D1-BB30-1D297B4A4FF3 Message-Id: <010CF1C1-541E-458C-88F7-CBB4A88D95A5@grubmah.com> Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet? Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 13:12:29 -0700 To: Grant Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:19:15 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4A96967E-D9FC-49D1-BB30-1D297B4A4FF3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii With regard to the EDP reference, the recorded loop can still have its cycle= point aligned to the master. It just doesn't start recording at that point.= And on the original topic, the EDP has a mute function that preserves sync t= hough the equivalent on the Rang in sync mode might be to have Play start at= the appropriate position in the loop as if the loop had been active. Mark On Jul 16, 2012, at 12:00 PM, Grant wrote: > I suppose that makes sense but there problems later if you want to stop an= d then re-start loops that are not aligned to some sync boundry. Maybe this w= ill be resolved by using the Free mode when MIDI sync is (hopefully) availab= le. =46rom what I have gathered it would seem you can make sync'ed loops wit= h 1/4 note resolution and I'm assuming you won't need a master loop. > =20 > G >=20 > -----Original Message-----=20 > From: Mark Hamburg=20 > Sent: Jul 16, 2012 12:58 PM=20 > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"=20 > Cc: ""=20 > Subject: Re: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet?=20 >=20 > One of the great strengths of the EDP is that while it can quantize many a= ctions, it doesn't force one to do so. For example, I wish on the Rang when w= orking in Sync mode that you could start recording whenever and it would jus= t quantize the loop length based on the master. >=20 > Mark >=20 --Apple-Mail-4A96967E-D9FC-49D1-BB30-1D297B4A4FF3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
With regard to the EDP reference, the recorded loop can still have its cycle point aligned to the master. It just doesn't start recording at that point.

And on the original topic, the EDP has a mute function that preserves sync though the equivalent on the Rang in sync mode might be to have Play start at the appropriate position in the loop as if the loop had been active.

Mark

On Jul 16, 2012, at 12:00 PM, Grant <grantmepeace@mindspring.com> wrote:

I suppose that makes sense but there problems later if you want to stop and then re-start loops that are not aligned to some sync boundry. Maybe this will be resolved by using the Free mode when MIDI sync is (hopefully) available. From what I have gathered it would seem you can make sync'ed loops with 1/4 note resolution and I'm assuming you won't need a master loop.

 

G


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Hamburg
Sent: Jul 16, 2012 12:58 PM
To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"
Cc: ""
Subject: Re: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet?

One of the great strengths of the EDP is that while it can quantize many actions, it doesn't force one to do so. For example, I wish on the Rang when working in Sync mode that you could start recording whenever and it would just quantize the loop length based on the master.

Mark

--Apple-Mail-4A96967E-D9FC-49D1-BB30-1D297B4A4FF3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 20:37:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6116518345D; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:37:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=s4ZvnSprI5g2Bs/1Xc/GQREhmX9cS1BZkitA9m7BKuQoT3jSvmYk9pi+OKuAW2GB; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <26874490.1342471022639.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 15:37:02 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Grant Reply-To: Grant To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 X-ELNK-Trace: 4627597e215714c3ca853a8129e90869f402879cecb40bd5732a0b5671e97670c005a0ef8e8380f605f736dc7f846ffc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.37 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:37:03 +0000 (UTC)

So if you create a new loop by starting out in the middle of another loop and then (I guess) keep recording until you've come around to the same place again how and where do you end recording? If this new loop is stopped and you press Play, where does it begin playing from?

 

Just curious.

 

G

 

 


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Hamburg
Sent: Jul 16, 2012 3:12 PM
To: Grant
Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"
Subject: Re: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet?

With regard to the EDP reference, the recorded loop can still have its cycle point aligned to the master. It just doesn't start recording at that point.

And on the original topic, the EDP has a mute function that preserves sync though the equivalent on the Rang in sync mode might be to have Play start at the appropriate position in the loop as if the loop had been active.

Mark
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 20:45:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16B47183463; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:45:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=EoW2TGhHGNJRH6XpazJ4p66/1FirRydTSfZ/VuKmoec=; b=jPwOF4rQCZvzi+Iqqict5AZ/E9SpugL4IAwg+PVD4huz1albLqZmbeCIi2PXa0LY7q c+mtK70gxepYFNwwzG4PnwYVOyzwgihPztRv36Jhl4w1O/OKWrZ2DeB/1etKx9fDPutg XQB7n6/iEz7QowWtFjqmaY3E0PflwLJ7Sc/QXCZ2YU2E3adaD6LYzMgo7uDz0GzkGaIE UdFIkKzBnD8STS2ShjbYJZ2hqTpwUiWnyitZ6Wmgmi/G/3WeEI8I/mBeuQvo7wTqN9t+ 3Qwp+GAPBaQiDLVChz7z4ac4s0JlWaVhhzAm4vo9xxnaRvmuxnKRDSeGVmOp6iN+Imd1 2nRA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 16:45:44 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: my open letter to DIGITECH (begging for a better delay based looper) From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4efe3166866a6304c4f8835d Resent-Message-ID: <_V7NQC.A.-Q.51HBQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:45:45 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4efe3166866a6304c4f8835d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hear hear Scott! As a delay pedal based looper I heartily agree! Jeff http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/ On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Scott Hansen wrote: > decided to share what i did when i was bored yesterday. > > >snip > i'm just a guitarist who likes to use delay based loopers, and am sick of > all the phrase sampler loopers that > get released that really don't do anything except static loops. > thanks, > Scott Hansen > --e0cb4efe3166866a6304c4f8835d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hear hear Scott! As a delay pedal based looper I heartily agree!

Je= ff

http://jeffduke.bandcam= p.com/

On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 7:20 P= M, Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com> wrote:
decided to share what i did when i was = bored yesterday.
=A0

>snip
=A0
=A0i'm just a guitari= st who likes to use delay based loopers, and am sick of all the phrase samp= ler loopers that=20
get released that really don't do anything except static loops.
thanks,
Scott Hansen

--e0cb4efe3166866a6304c4f8835d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 21:36:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 241E8183464; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:36:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=rkIlwmQVxqnK20GC+BNh0IZiHzaYzrZWHn5bM5j/dss=; b=00JvuhvBHua3guNr4Ff6HQeB8VZKZQ+TDeyaS+tSnUBtMn+Hc/KYJxq1jlo/t+9aSO yBnlOYaPwcirqfW6I/TZf+uTNUt5LhGriIUqAejm/T1acw2dXU7TED4bHG/Q+Ft6/+Oh 4m8eMLu0k5t75zfOmT91WeUAj1PrpqrEcuU7zk75nR8jj5SLlEvnEPHZ+riZ2ySUO8t4 Opwt6NLs6BfkS2DYCLLyIP8cDZAs6KBgo3EZSnQeD8SpzoAnr9vDkgmfv8wd9lz6nSTL +gISuA5QMhHzu1cusAgWYGUP8ChneatGd2dRXmkzEldk3ic00XSlHRsvbew+WpJGYs0s z53A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: danielhlevine@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:36:32 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Yor-tmBZXGWVV7lyh0vxgfElpMY Message-ID: Subject: Re: my open letter to DIGITECH (begging for a better delay based looper) From: daniel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cdfd4be39d5cc04c4f9398f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:36:33 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cdfd4be39d5cc04c4f9398f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I gotta say, I really like my rc50 -- no static (no static) no static at all. My rc20 did though after a while (had it seven years). What I'm really sick of is Boss releasing all these loopers with the extra effects in them AND TAKING OUT THE REVERSE. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5BMQ-xpTog Which looper are you working with? On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Jeff Duke wrote: > Hear hear Scott! As a delay pedal based looper I heartily agree! > > Jeff > > http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/ > > On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Scott Hansen wrote: > >> decided to share what i did when i was bored yesterday. >> >> > > >snip > > >> i'm just a guitarist who likes to use delay based loopers, and am sick >> of all the phrase sampler loopers that >> get released that really don't do anything except static loops. >> thanks, >> Scott Hansen >> > > --000e0cdfd4be39d5cc04c4f9398f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I gotta say, I really like my rc50 -- no static (no static) no static at all. My rc20 did= though after a while (had it seven years).
What I'm really sick of= is Boss releasing all these loopers with the extra effects in them AND TAK= ING OUT THE REVERSE. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DS5BMQ-xpTog

Which looper are you working with?

O= n Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Jeff Duke <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:
Hear hear Scott! As a delay pedal based loop= er I heartily agree!

Jeff

http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/

On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Scott Hanse= n <evanpeewee@gmail.com> wrote:
decided to share what i did when i was = bored yesterday.
=A0

>snip
=A0
=A0i'm just a guitari= st who likes to use delay based loopers, and am sick of all the phrase samp= ler loopers that=20
get released that really don't do anything except static loops.
thanks,
Scott Hansen


--000e0cdfd4be39d5cc04c4f9398f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 21:45:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47C6E183463; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:45:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=iGSkRIN8WrNXeg2UNRHqQ2XYIG8HmlSRaIceP5tFLBM=; b=XJ9W6Lvl/IHF6xP+W8PFoXghv9hKmEoqFndpSCP0DjzOIZ0VkYTAUMXYKmOLWLesmY zp1zaeI7fsrvrm8BnPhvIlA0C2SnvKoGoRI4U06nmkzuv8DHwVWvXKs6mtRFryTNrLVM JVdf3yusmF14ui+TjZi+cKI67Ax90ZFrKW7P1XOu8l+RrzrcOsPbvQWlCqkn5AxKuIup GLC4AlsQIiITIrO4jxEUZXQZbvsvkItFSBz7A2iIYNKNXk5n0lWr0RTq+kstDmDHldg8 4Y3AV3CQcAR6entKHcm8WF7QpEC1c0QhFWN7MK4X8IjlNwSr+S44bB1Ala/3IU4Lyklr WiFA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:45:50 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: my open letter to DIGITECH (begging for a better delay based looper) From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f2348b37a518d04c4f95a37 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:45:52 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f2348b37a518d04c4f95a37 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey Daniel, I am using a Boss DD 20 (soon to be x2), an EH 2880 and the looper in the Line 6 M9. The last two while "phrase sampler" type do have some feedback and reverse/half speed abilities. Being an ambient/noise guitarist (yes another one of those!) feedback and some mangling is needed. best, Jeff On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 5:36 PM, daniel wrote: > I gotta say, I really like my rc50 -- no static (no static) no static at > all . My rc20 did though > after a while (had it seven years). > What I'm really sick of is Boss releasing all these loopers with the extra > effects in them AND TAKING OUT THE REVERSE. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5BMQ-xpTog > > Which looper are you working with? > > On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Jeff Duke wrote: > >> Hear hear Scott! As a delay pedal based looper I heartily agree! >> >> Jeff >> >> http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/ >> >> On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Scott Hansen wrote: >> >>> decided to share what i did when i was bored yesterday. >>> >>> >> >> >snip >> >> >>> i'm just a guitarist who likes to use delay based loopers, and am sick >>> of all the phrase sampler loopers that >>> get released that really don't do anything except static loops. >>> thanks, >>> Scott Hansen >>> >> >> > --e89a8f2348b37a518d04c4f95a37 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Daniel,

I am using a Boss DD 20 (soon to be x2), an EH 2880 and= the looper in the Line 6 M9. The last two while "phrase sampler"= type do have some feedback and reverse/half speed abilities. Being an ambi= ent/noise guitarist (yes another one of those!) feedback and some mangling = is needed.

best,

Jeff

On Mon, Jul 16, 201= 2 at 5:36 PM, daniel <daniel@ithinkwethink.org> wrote= :
I gotta say, I really like my rc50 -- no sta= tic (no static) no static at all. My rc20 did though after a while (had= it seven years).
What I'm really sick of is Boss releasing all these loopers with the ex= tra effects in them AND TAKING OUT THE REVERSE. http://www.youtube.com/watc= h?v=3DS5BMQ-xpTog

Which looper are you working with?

O= n Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Jeff Duke <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:
Hear hear Scott! As a delay pedal based loop= er I heartily agree!

Jeff

http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/

On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Scott Hanse= n <evanpeewee@gmail.com> wrote:
decided to share what i did when i was = bored yesterday.
=A0

>snip
=A0
=A0i'm just a guitari= st who likes to use delay based loopers, and am sick of all the phrase samp= ler loopers that=20
get released that really don't do anything except static loops.
thanks,
Scott Hansen



--e89a8f2348b37a518d04c4f95a37-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 21:49:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA06F183466; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:49:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=2mzpudq+7l7azPnz8tZ2qlxiZaUBqg0oO7CaUZ8YUSw=; b=shqtLPou/zhfXFQqsN9iBTkTQMAY/N28eFPGTMkJpOBrbZ5avzClHguI/Vf4vQcw3N XX7cPhaIB9+yv+yE5+aSFsMRTl2PAjK0abKwBE3XKl4QjY8g+LH4SugyvMmiZOJFmgtf EmSK5Z5JSb/nCIT+tydFoLYZSTIQymDw8i3tiHn/1fZJAt+wTVLCyD6syUiQDQqs3a8j glwS+S0jyq522ojBXXqzAk7EWTiViSVcV/pQR5KDUz6GOuo8aGaMYUl7J/YqPs2zPllr IXsG8RC6tuV74gMxOl/KiS/yNOLnkStazmZSvLR0htB2DVNBp7ZAK5+m3zc89LhMt/Bl nVPw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: danielhlevine@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:49:02 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: S5qHPytdNSDi1cfbY-XVwk4lzJU Message-ID: Subject: Re: my open letter to DIGITECH (begging for a better delay based looper) From: daniel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cd0e2e3d13504c4f9657d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:49:03 +0000 (UTC) --0015175cd0e2e3d13504c4f9657d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Nice. I'm also an ambient guy: http://danielharris.bandcamp.com/album/noops Where can I hear your work? On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Jeff Duke wrote: > Hey Daniel, > > I am using a Boss DD 20 (soon to be x2), an EH 2880 and the looper in the > Line 6 M9. The last two while "phrase sampler" type do have some feedback > and reverse/half speed abilities. Being an ambient/noise guitarist (yes > another one of those!) feedback and some mangling is needed. > > best, > > Jeff > > > On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 5:36 PM, daniel wrote: > >> I gotta say, I really like my rc50 -- no static (no static) no static at >> all . My rc20 did though >> after a while (had it seven years). >> What I'm really sick of is Boss releasing all these loopers with the >> extra effects in them AND TAKING OUT THE REVERSE. >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5BMQ-xpTog >> >> Which looper are you working with? >> >> On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Jeff Duke wrote: >> >>> Hear hear Scott! As a delay pedal based looper I heartily agree! >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>> http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/ >>> >>> On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Scott Hansen wrote: >>> >>>> decided to share what i did when i was bored yesterday. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >snip >>> >>> >>>> i'm just a guitarist who likes to use delay based loopers, and am sick >>>> of all the phrase sampler loopers that >>>> get released that really don't do anything except static loops. >>>> thanks, >>>> Scott Hansen >>>> >>> >>> >> > --0015175cd0e2e3d13504c4f9657d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nice. I'm also an ambient guy: http://danielharris.bandcamp.com/album/noops

Wh= ere can I hear your work?

On Mon, Jul 16= , 2012 at 5:45 PM, Jeff Duke <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
Hey Daniel,

I am using a Boss DD 20 = (soon to be x2), an EH 2880 and the looper in the Line 6 M9. The last two w= hile "phrase sampler" type do have some feedback and reverse/half= speed abilities. Being an ambient/noise guitarist (yes another one of thos= e!) feedback and some mangling is needed.

best,

Jeff


On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 5:36 PM, daniel <danie= l@ithinkwethink.org> wrote:
I gotta say, I really like my rc50 -- no sta= tic (no static) no static at all. My rc20 did though after a while (had= it seven years).
What I'm really sick of is Boss releasing all these loopers with the ex= tra effects in them AND TAKING OUT THE REVERSE. http://www.youtube.com/watc= h?v=3DS5BMQ-xpTog

Which looper are you working with?

O= n Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Jeff Duke <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:
Hear hear Scott! As a delay pedal based loop= er I heartily agree!

Jeff

http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/

On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Scott Hanse= n <evanpeewee@gmail.com> wrote:
decided to share what i did when i was = bored yesterday.
=A0

>snip
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get released that really don't do anything except static loops.
thanks,
Scott Hansen




--0015175cd0e2e3d13504c4f9657d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 21:51:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6521C183466; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:51:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=4LEJ/NPpeHdl+uN8Tq2/FDC6YvLnGZCP8KBdlw7K4yU=; b=odNJyE4+iaGq2TFJnvIUljiTF+gfkOMQO/K5hNjroC1DDT1PIPfbwYrKl3rw0QWJ2R HAZzFoq7V5bMgcvBpw6241Or9CGeIuD+DiI/Er4bisv82tA5JBXUIqev7CKXLOL+GU8o RiVeeDNuPQ42ZrqzC0MCUp1SprL1V7rzwMzwWSyd1Q9201IGbR+gnkps7hqhmBc9r1Jb wgVSmlj0gdd3bK6ZVuYNVsV3cUsdp1+je1rpet1B8zBqKhzphKkxrCRl3FiTwzLjU4WR YNwk3x0sr/5xf6/8Y7UKkQwxLJ0ibPkvSUBRqqaUQ7qJlluhr54RJRi1QUAvW1w9wLIb zU3A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 16:51:17 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: reissue the pds8000 (or a better delay based looper)-FOLLOWUP from DIGITECH From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04430446faab2004c4f96d8f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:51:19 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04430446faab2004c4f96d8f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This is the response i got from digitech. nice they got back to me in a day. their answer is what i expected...oh well, i tried....s--- ** ** ** ** ** ** Scott,**** ** ** Thanks for your comments. Some of the chips in the PDS 8000 are no longer manufactured, which makes a re-issue difficult and costly. Have you tried our JamMan Delay?**** ** ** Regards,**** ** ** Digitech Support**** **** --f46d04430446faab2004c4f96d8f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Regards,

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--f46d04430446faab2004c4f96d8f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 21:55:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17912183466; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:55:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=/AGAhNrkWaMVKKhAKonzKqfi286ThyQL6BzrSocrTTE=; b=AYN5ZlyKaZHS7CpKpbTw4ObY7Hy/i2q0EbNPeS+HzVrtmr8kFwp4x3iPlMAVS/wilM purDGp0F2f1grqayL4KGyyI7o+eB/B3A7u0MM+LzxY9bWnzeoW1sXRdqr4z+SIiu5VA0 bmXhRrgbsH5NbonIj91refat14afshuEaPb0ufVc+oBS7ATVRnHeru9kp+mVaVPW5eD8 AhXQN2X59KFkkT1vxloCtRoc04ReryuQizwJgDv7PhqbOdBoZHejueZnKgmkw6mKyQ0Q 0SbkN3FD8OZSkX3Bb1H54xJCkJ1VJTHs4nyp6F8Ze3YBdPmm116erAHdH6rtu2JCf7/o VCkA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:55:18 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: my open letter to DIGITECH (begging for a better delay based looper) From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=485b390f7dae51a3e204c4f97c05 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:55:19 +0000 (UTC) --485b390f7dae51a3e204c4f97c05 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ah yeah :) I always forget that, http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/ https://vimeo.com/jeffduke On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 5:49 PM, daniel wrote: > Nice. I'm also an ambient guy: > http://danielharris.bandcamp.com/album/noops > > Where can I hear your work? > > On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Jeff Duke wrote: > >> Hey Daniel, >> >> I am using a Boss DD 20 (soon to be x2), an EH 2880 and the looper in the >> Line 6 M9. The last two while "phrase sampler" type do have some feedback >> and reverse/half speed abilities. Being an ambient/noise guitarist (yes >> another one of those!) feedback and some mangling is needed. >> >> best, >> >> Jeff >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 5:36 PM, daniel wrote: >> >>> I gotta say, I really like my rc50 -- no static (no static) no static at >>> all . My rc20 did though >>> after a while (had it seven years). >>> What I'm really sick of is Boss releasing all these loopers with the >>> extra effects in them AND TAKING OUT THE REVERSE. >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5BMQ-xpTog >>> >>> Which looper are you working with? >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Jeff Duke wrote: >>> >>>> Hear hear Scott! As a delay pedal based looper I heartily agree! >>>> >>>> Jeff >>>> >>>> http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/ >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Scott Hansen wrote: >>>> >>>>> decided to share what i did when i was bored yesterday. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >snip >>>> >>>> >>>>> i'm just a guitarist who likes to use delay based loopers, and am >>>>> sick of all the phrase sampler loopers that >>>>> get released that really don't do anything except static loops. >>>>> thanks, >>>>> Scott Hansen >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > --485b390f7dae51a3e204c4f97c05 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah yeah :) I always forget that,

http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/

https://vimeo.com/jeffduke


On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 5:49 PM, daniel <daniel@ithinkwethink.org> wrote:
Nice. I'm also an ambient guy: http://danielharris.bandcamp.com/album/n= oops

Where can I hear your work?

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Jeff Duke <jeffloops@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:
Hey Daniel,

I am using a Boss DD 20 = (soon to be x2), an EH 2880 and the looper in the Line 6 M9. The last two w= hile "phrase sampler" type do have some feedback and reverse/half= speed abilities. Being an ambient/noise guitarist (yes another one of thos= e!) feedback and some mangling is needed.

best,

Jeff


On Mon, J= ul 16, 2012 at 5:36 PM, daniel <daniel@ithinkwethink.org> wrote:
I gotta say, I really like my rc50 -- no sta= tic (no static) no static at all. My rc20 did though after a while (had= it seven years).
What I'm really sick of is Boss releasing all these loopers with the ex= tra effects in them AND TAKING OUT THE REVERSE. http://www.youtube.com/watc= h?v=3DS5BMQ-xpTog

Which looper are you working with?

O= n Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Jeff Duke <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:
Hear hear Scott! As a delay pedal based loop= er I heartily agree!

Jeff

http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/

On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Scott Hanse= n <evanpeewee@gmail.com> wrote:
decided to share what i did when i was = bored yesterday.
=A0

>snip
=A0
=A0i'm just a guitari= st who likes to use delay based loopers, and am sick of all the phrase samp= ler loopers that=20
get released that really don't do anything except static loops.
thanks,
Scott Hansen





--485b390f7dae51a3e204c4f97c05-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 21:57:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C06DF183476; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:57:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ZXmcOHkzDBo8dnm1uBQJAZhrjmkC1/tdGyt4ITcVWFU=; b=AAk4i102hbTH18ou94V4Rf7E3FiEnWnSbsi991nlDq3+GwZ32YRE+++zqWPkKPBP+b 0mV+0aBbeLGtGhRtq88u+nquH9vrEyxLMun+22UE942NC3pbD1gqsyjp9d86HC/zz4Ia 2eIco93ahdV/IigwFBZu2dXoHpvWKms+pmB8q6Rc3QyNsKZFp/ytAeEEX/SmuP2veoyl k/ng+tpEzHDzxYI62KLn0EXQbu/xM8lbCOawmraf7zg5V6DxKR1AQzOlgM1uPjl2H0F8 EtMrXMgqHnuKZR5jhIN6+gGrGcsoclECvklXv7ACF1r6eP+CB0aaG6Vje0toocj7PLDM e6/A== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 14:57:05 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: reissue the pds8000 (or a better delay based looper)-FOLLOWUP from DIGITECH From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:57:06 +0000 (UTC) Kinda makes you wish you wrote the entire email in the subject line, doesn't it? On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Scott Hansen wrote: > This is the response i got from digitech. nice they got back to me in a day. > their answer is what i expected...oh well, i tried....s--- > > > Scott, > > > > Thanks for your comments. Some of the chips in the PDS 8000 are no longer > manufactured, which makes a re-issue difficult and costly. Have you tried > our JamMan Delay? > > > > Regards, > > > > Digitech Support > > > > > > > > -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 22:00:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70AE0183475; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:00:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=O4yGW/FvS+00yeQd+ziKa10swQzoQ0X1gTA9YgVI1+52aQ78StvFmgYNih2ESPRi; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <31945089.1342476030269.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:00:29 -0400 (EDT) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: reissue the pds8000 (or a better delay based looper)-FOLLOWUP from DIGITECH Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd4808f64554859b9aa975392646b495d132c9b5e52464f59f68350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.30 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:00:31 +0000 (UTC) sounds like they didnt read your whole note! what else is new...i just want to pipe in-my go to looper(forever) is the famous/infamous PDS8000!. use it everyday and for every show. love the grungee sounds right outa the box-and it loves my 55hz. drones... you can hear it on all my 'whatever they ares' on the site. http://stanosaur.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Scott Hansen Sent: Jul 16, 2012 2:51 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: reissue the pds8000 (or a better delay based looper)-FOLLOWUP from DIGITECH This is the response i got from digitech. nice they got back to me in a day. their answer is what i expected...oh well, i tried....s--- Scott, Thanks for your comments. Some of the chips in the PDS 8000 are no longer manufactured, which makes a re-issue difficult and costly. Have you tried our JamMan Delay? Regards, Digitech Support From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 22:08:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3EE0183466; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:08:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=w3JDAj9YCF/0SYArowygeWzEtLw0e06j6vFG9jxwhOE=; b=WfNr8PVsQpdo+AvrkT/QxRVToUfDxWnr1h4sNaMrwuWyIIR9Hfzhx1QKZOKe2NrXj6 mF1/fjriRDYO0F0N88+nYRcI3eOPKfASJsG8qh2wxINe2sP4TRCEBGIoengxu6KRLMLw SgTAQ8Y4FbQOpqxAb2YAecDvPqRIfTDvpu3FWGaw2wl/CncxLMIy0TEMh/4oND3cFfA+ IQIYTZxFaZOPxYP2ml3QTTsSkUXdvo6qTUE0IDaPHdz9A/rlkw0d+O7lM57DnJXvcnmf X1YHjYQ/h4Kcmr50/sOwNIgtSG9vMy+BBpjKV6qFuNz4LBAVsJzWCd7R/m8ebIwFXoqI tjnQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:08:13 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: reissue the pds8000 (or a better delay based looper)-FOLLOWUP from DIGITECH From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f2348b38ac20c04c4f9aab7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:08:15 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f2348b38ac20c04c4f9aab7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Have you tried their Jamman delay? I didn't know they had one...hmm. http://www.digitech.com/system/documents/243/original/JamMan%20Delay%20Manual%2018-0687V-B.pdf?1305738078 Looks like an ex ped can control either some kind of delay modify or it could be a fake feedback control on the looper by controlling looper vol level but not both at once. j On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 5:51 PM, Scott Hansen wrote: > This is the response i got from digitech. nice they got back to me in a > day. their answer is what i expected...oh well, i tried....s--- > > > ** ** ** ** ** ** > > Scott,**** > > ** ** > > Thanks for your comments. Some of the chips in the PDS 8000 are no longer > manufactured, which makes a re-issue difficult and costly. Have you tried > our JamMan Delay?**** > > ** ** > > Regards,**** > > ** ** > > Digitech Support**** > > > > **** > > > > > --e89a8f2348b38ac20c04c4f9aab7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Have you tried their Jamman delay? I didn't know they had one...hmm.
http://www.digitech.com/sys= tem/documents/243/original/JamMan%20Delay%20Manual%2018-0687V-B.pdf?1305738= 078

Looks like an ex ped can control either some kind of delay modify or it= could be a fake feedback control on the looper by controlling looper vol l= evel but not both at once.



j

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 5:51 PM, Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com= > wrote:
This is the response i got from digitech. nice t= hey got back to me in a day. their answer is what i expected...oh well, i t= ried....s---


Scott,

=A0=

Thanks for your comments. Some = of the chips in the PDS 8000 are no longer manufactured, which makes a re-issue difficult and costly. Have you tried our JamMan Delay?=

=A0=

Regards,

=A0=

Digitech Support<= /span>

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--e89a8f2348b38ac20c04c4f9aab7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 22:26:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0DE218347A; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:26:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=de4lG9b5LBLbdPP1mBfs3/eRZB7j2kpYfCvmEe8raAk= c=1 sm=1 a=Z-tJxN3LYbUA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=1mPEbzcIwNq/5QazqZV7BA==:17 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=bNBlAm5Yu4RZA3eOQs4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=1mPEbzcIwNq/5QazqZV7BA==:117 X-Auth-id: dGhldG95cm9vbUBjaGFydGVyLm5ldA== Subject: Re: reissue the pds8000 (or a better delay based looper)-FOLLOWUP from DIGITECH References: From: Richard Atkinson Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--902056960 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8A306) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <0198584D-F579-471A-AF53-097A17B1A343@charter.net> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 15:22:31 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8A306) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:26:19 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--902056960 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jeez...it isn't really about the 'chip' at all, is it? It's about the functionality and interface. Am I ignorant here? Someone can't make a 'hold delay' feature in a current p= roduction looper because of a 'chip' no longer being made? How does one explain that feature on the Pigtronix delay, then? Don't reissue the damn thing, digitech, reinvent it. A pds based machine wi= th tap tempo or 'first loop' length setting and a longer delay time would be= a terribly fun box. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Scott Hansen wrote: > This is the response i got from digitech. nice they got back to me in a da= y. their answer is what i expected...oh well, i tried....s--- >=20 >=20 > Scott, >=20 > =20 >=20 > Thanks for your comments. Some of the chips in the PDS 8000 are no longer m= anufactured, which makes a re-issue difficult and costly. Have you tried our= JamMan Delay? >=20 > =20 >=20 > Regards, >=20 > =20 >=20 > Digitech Support >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 --Apple-Mail-4--902056960 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Jeez...it isn't really about the 'chip' at all, is it?

It's about the functionality and interface.

Am I ignorant here? Someone can't make a 'hold delay' feature in a current production looper because of a 'chip' no longer being made?

How does one explain that feature on the Pigtronix delay, then?

Don't reissue the damn thing, digitech, reinvent it.  A pds based machine with tap tempo or 'first loop' length setting and a longer delay time would be a terribly fun box.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 16, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com> wrote:

This is the response i got from digitech. nice they got back to me in a day. their answer is what i expected...oh well, i tried....s---


Scott,

 

Thanks for your comments. Some of the chips in the PDS 8000 are no longer manufactured, which makes a re-issue difficult and costly. Have you tried our JamMan Delay?

 

Regards,

 

Digitech Support

 

 

 

 

--Apple-Mail-4--902056960-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 22:34:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09D43183486; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:34:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <26874490.1342471022639.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <26874490.1342471022639.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-596F4157-79A8-431A-8F71-2695A9179321 Message-Id: <4C473C99-0420-425F-914E-073D5707B212@grubmah.com> Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet? Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 15:34:44 -0700 To: Grant Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:34:52 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-596F4157-79A8-431A-8F71-2695A9179321 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Okay. So assume we've recorded a master loop and we're going to record anoth= er loop in parallel. Midway through the master loop, we start recording the n= ew loop. At some point later, we end recording. The new loop length is round= ed up to be a multiple of the master loop. We can then start and stop the ne= w loop but doing so really just acts like muting and unmuting it. One could a= lso define a playback mode in which the new loop progresses (silently) to a d= ead stop when stopped and hitting play causes the loop to start playing with= the same alignment to the master loop as when it was recorded =E2=80=94 i.e= . instead of waiting for the start of the master loop it would wait for the a= ppropriate offset in the master loop.. Mark On Jul 16, 2012, at 1:37 PM, Grant wrote: > So if you create a new loop by starting out in the middle of another loop a= nd then (I guess) keep recording until you've come around to the same place a= gain how and where do you end recording? If this new loop is stopped and you= press Play, where does it begin playing from? > =20 > Just curious. > =20 > G > =20 > =20 >=20 > -----Original Message-----=20 > From: Mark Hamburg=20 > Sent: Jul 16, 2012 3:12 PM=20 > To: Grant=20 > Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"=20 > Subject: Re: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet?=20 >=20 > With regard to the EDP reference, the recorded loop can still have its cyc= le point aligned to the master. It just doesn't start recording at that poin= t. >=20 > And on the original topic, the EDP has a mute function that preserves sync= though the equivalent on the Rang in sync mode might be to have Play start a= t the appropriate position in the loop as if the loop had been active. >=20 > Mark --Apple-Mail-596F4157-79A8-431A-8F71-2695A9179321 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Okay. So assume we've reco= rded a master loop and we're going to record another loop in parallel. Midwa= y through the master loop, we start recording the new loop. At some point la= ter, we end recording. The new loop length is rounded up to be a multiple of= the master loop. We can then start and stop the new loop but doing so reall= y just acts like muting and unmuting it. One could also define a playback mo= de in which the new loop progresses (silently) to a dead stop when stopped a= nd hitting play causes the loop to start playing with the same alignment to t= he master loop as when it was recorded =E2=80=94 i.e. instead of waiting for= the start of the master loop it would wait for the appropriate offset in th= e master loop..

Mark

On Jul 16, 2012, at 1:3= 7 PM, Grant <grantmepeace@= mindspring.com> wrote:

= So if you create a new loop by starting out in the middle of another loop an= d then (I guess) keep recording until you've come around to the same place a= gain how and where do you end recording? If this new loop is stopped and you= press Play, where does it begin playing from?

 

Just curious.

 

G

=  

=  


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Hamburg
Sent: Jul 16, 2012 3:12 PM
To: Grant
Cc: "Loopers-= Delight@loopers-delight.com"
Su= bject: Re: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet?

With regard to the EDP reference, the recorded loop can still have its c= ycle point aligned to the master. It just doesn't start recording at that po= int.

And on the original topic, the EDP has a mute function that preserves s= ync though the equivalent on the Rang in sync mode might be to have Play sta= rt at the appropriate position in the loop as if the loop had been active.

Mark
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Reverse *IS* important.
So is varispeed. =
Half-speed backwards is SUCH a trip.

Tim Mungenast
= Editor/Writer/Proofreader: www.linkedin.com/in/timmungenast
Gui= tarist/Composer/Vocalist: www.reverbnation.com/timmungenast

--- On Mon, 7/16/12, daniel <daniel@ithinkwethink.org>= wrote:

From: daniel <daniel@ithinkwethi= nk.org>
Subject: Re: my open letter to DIGITECH (begging for a better= delay based looper)
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Mo= nday, July 16, 2012, 5:36 PM

I gotta say, = I really like my rc50 -- no static (no static) no static a= t all. My rc20 did though after a while (had it seven years).
What = I'm really sick of is Boss releasing all these loopers with the extra effec= ts in them AND TAKING OUT THE REVERSE. http://www.youtube.= com/watch?v=3DS5BMQ-xpTog
=0A
Which looper are you working with? =

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 4:4= 5 PM, Jeff Duke <jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:
=0A
Hear hear Scott! As a delay pedal based looper= I heartily agree!

Jeff

http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/<= br>=0A
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 7= :20 PM, Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com> wrote:
=0A
decided to share what i did when = i was bored yesterday.
 

>snip=
 
=0A=0A
 i'm just a guitarist who likes to use delay based loop= ers, and am sick of all the phrase sampler loopers that =0A
get release= d that really don't do anything except static loops.
thanks,
Scott Hansen
=0A

=0A
=0A
--2024485249-849607988-1342478410=:65577-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 22:40:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BB29183493; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:40:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=3+W+NBrLHCoyjsnISpQc7vJQtov0zOwpGfJy+u8KkOU=; b=nS6Upnv2toSNv+SVoUtVbAsZoV8wrealshGVjcsPUUlWFUbdNEnSz1AySP8/TohrvW jRm6nJuGcGR6RqCzN0n/MDQ6d5F+hCQeLZOtAcWwG9ULyJ5a1EIBKfckCdQviabp6PQL QTmpvZojVkt8bYvax7EaApoFRl0QIb/ibX93MpXXOJr1zN/pqVr2d7Kt+5tzIDZ/OfLt vlDVqHsEeQcrCzV1L9taS5/M6s7MDxol7D3ljN4WsCBGgPA//lwZR5R2wkvVs6VD+jqB 72jMH5nH/SBHu5q/Z9hrFMz55hExl4OJcvrScKK1ror00O8G3q7jBUqCAxPOilGhhObT rPLg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0198584D-F579-471A-AF53-097A17B1A343@charter.net> References: <0198584D-F579-471A-AF53-097A17B1A343@charter.net> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:40:34 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: reissue the pds8000 (or a better delay based looper)-FOLLOWUP from DIGITECH From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=485b390f7dae30ec3204c4fa1efc Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:40:35 +0000 (UTC) --485b390f7dae30ec3204c4fa1efc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Right! The Boss DD 20 is a great delay w/23 secs and a good way to "hold" but it has none of the other delay mangling abilities of the pds 8000. The fact is that we are an extreme nitch in the world of corporate looping tools design so why would they put money into it? We are the 1% of looping, occupy Digitech! J On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Richard Atkinson wrote: > > > Don't reissue the damn thing, digitech, reinvent it. A pds based machine > with tap tempo or 'first loop' length setting and a longer delay time would > be a terribly fun box. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 16, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Scott Hansen wrote: > > This is the response i got from digitech. nice they got back to me in a > day. their answer is what i expected...oh well, i tried....s--- > < br> > ** ** ** ** ** ** > > Scott,**** > > ** ** > > Thanks for your comments. Some of the chips in the PDS 8000 are no longer > manufactured, which makes a re-issue difficult and costly. Have you tried > our JamMan Delay?**** > > ** ** > > Regards,**** > > ** ** > > Digitech Support**** > > > > **** > > > > > > --485b390f7dae30ec3204c4fa1efc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Right! The Boss DD 20 is a great delay w/23 secs and a good way to "ho= ld" but it has none of the other delay mangling abilities of the pds 8= 000.

The fact is that we are an extreme nitch in the world of corpor= ate looping tools design so why would they put money into it? We are the 1%= of looping, occupy Digitech!

J

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Ri= chard Atkinson <thetoyroom@charter.net> wrote:


Don't reissue the damn= thing, digitech, reinvent it. =A0A pds based machine with tap tempo or = 9;first loop' length setting and a longer delay time would be a terribl= y fun box.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 16, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Scott Ha= nsen <evanpeew= ee@gmail.com> wrote:

This is the response i got from digitech. n= ice they got back to me in a day. their answer is what i expected...oh well= , i tried....s---
< br>

Scott,

=A0=

Thanks for your comments. Some = of the chips in the PDS 8000 are no longer manufactured, which makes a re-issue difficult and costly. Have you tried our JamMan Delay?=

=A0=

Regards,

=A0=

Digitech Support<= /span>

=A0

=A0

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Thanks for trying.



--- On M= on, 7/16/12, Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com&g= t;
Subject: reissue the pds8000 (or a better delay based looper)-FOLLOWU= P from DIGITECH
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Monday,= July 16, 2012, 5:51 PM

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---873129165-1597291699-1342478641=:51183-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 23:19:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BEEC183478; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 23:19:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=jdJTgOvzPe++kqmzzk6R5uf1LCEDgr+ndgmrY41J6Bo+F9lDBEVPeoFKHYKyByTX; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <15192646.1342480741406.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:19:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Grant Reply-To: Grant To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 X-ELNK-Trace: 4627597e215714c3ca853a8129e90869f402879cecb40bd5732a0b5671e97670709a8d704bc98c195174619fdbb65890350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.37 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 23:19:02 +0000 (UTC)

I'm s= lowly getting on board and this is an interesting approach. What happens wh= en you "round up (down?). Is silence added?

 

Just = thinking that with the Rang III you could make a loop in Free mode and then= copy it to another empty loop, overdub it with 100% decay. Then you could = start/stop or freely change directions, speeds, etc. at any time and the lo= ops would still remain "synchronized" (probably not the right word) si= nce they are exactly the same length. Might be hard to get them properly al= igned again though unless you used Play-Stop-All. Not exactly the same but = maybe something to play with.

 

G


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Hamburg
Sent: Jul 16, 2012 6:34 PM
To: Grant
Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"
Subject: Re: Rang 3 MIDI sync yet?

Okay. So assume we've recorded a master loop and we're going to record= another loop in parallel. Midway through the master loop, we start recordi= ng the new loop. At some point later, we end recording. The new loop length= is rounded up to be a multiple of the master loop. We can then start and s= top the new loop but doing so really just acts like muting and unmuting it.= One could also define a playback mode in which the new loop progresses (si= lently) to a dead stop when stopped and hitting play causes the loop to sta= rt playing with the same alignment to the master loop as when it was record= ed =E2=80=94 i.e. instead of waiting for the start of the master loop it wo= uld wait for the appropriate offset in the master loop..

Mark
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I mentioned Ringo because Backoff Boogaloo is a song= that could have been written by a 9 year old and certainly didn't require = any analysis about the process used.=0A=A0=0AFrankly, I haven't actually HE= ARD anything TG has done recently. =0A=A0=0AIn any case, I made a "mix" of = several of their "heyday" albums (some of the stuff on their CD's is boring= ) and that mix still rocks today. =0A=A0=0ABTW, expletives don't bother me = in the least as I ususally curse like a sailor!=0A=A0=0ARegards, Paul=0A = =0A=0A________________________________=0A=A0 =0A(shame they turned out so s= hit in the end...) =0A>> Harsh, man, harsh. Anything they may have evolved = into is covered by their earlier successes. I mean, hell man, I heard Ringo= Starr recently discussing his songwriting process using the song Backoff B= oogaloo as an example. Not 'xactly a song for the ages. =0A>>P=0AHa ha ha! = Oops! Sorry!Im really not sure what the Backoff =0ABoogaloo thing was suppo= sed to prove? Er.. Ringo wasnt exactly KNOWN for his er... "song" writing..= . I can only think of Obladi and Yellow Sub =0AMarine... oops... I think I = only sounded harsh cos I used an expletive, that often seems to offend Amer= icans more than Europeans, I dont know why, (less religious perhaps, maybe = Americans are more worried about offending, in case of law suits? ..OK kidd= ing now... but there IS some cultural difference here...) anyway we=B4re al= l =0Agrown-ups here arnt we? OK, I admit I was not writing a review here, j= ust =0Aexpressing a personal opinion, to me, "The Tangs" have sounded like = =0Aelevator music for the last 15 years... and if you say something like = =0A"Well they proved them selves by their earlier works so they are allowed= to be crap now without anyone mentioning it.. well thats a bit silly .. ri= ght? Do you LIKE what they do now, if so, argue with me... tell me why!!! = =0APersonally I think its shit... but that in NO WAY takes away, for me, = =0Ahow I feel about Ph=E6dra or Rubicon... Which are 2 or the darkest, =0Am= oodiest, scariest, most gothic albums I have ever owned... No wonder =0Athe= y sound good in churches!!!Despite the "shit" comment, Tangerine Dream are = one of my favorite bands ever... Oh, just a small point Paul, can you remem= ber to edit your mails so =0Athey dont keep the whole thread, it can be a b= it annoying for the Digest users.. (Er.. Rick) Just the last relevant post = is OK with most..cheersMark ---2109272776-404628679-1342486579=:63349 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My point w= as that there is so much worse music out there, criticizing TG seems excess= ively harsh. I mentioned Ringo because Backoff Boogaloo is a song that coul= d have been written by a 9 year old and certainly didn't require any analys= is about the process used.
 
<= span>Frankly, I haven't actually HEARD anything TG has done recently.
 
In any case, I made a "mix= " of several of their "heyday" albums (some of the stuff on their CD's is b= oring) and that mix still rocks today.
 = ;
BTW, expletives don't bother me in the least as I ususall= y curse like a sailor!
 
Regards, Paul

 
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=0A
(shame = they turned out so shit in the end...)
=0A=0A
= Harsh, man, harsh. Anything they may have evolved into is covered by= their earlier successes. I mean, hell man, I heard Ringo Starr recently di= scussing his songwriting process using the song Backoff Boogaloo as an exam= ple. Not 'xactly a song for the ages.
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Ha ha ha! Oops! Sorry= !Im really not sure what the Backoff =0ABoogaloo thing was supposed to= prove? Er.. Ringo wasnt exactly KNOWN for=0A his er... "song" writing... I= can only think of Obladi and Yellow Sub =0AMarine... oops...=0AI= think I only sounded harsh cos I used an expletive, that often seems to of= fend Americans more than Europeans, I dont know why, (less religious perhap= s, maybe Americans are more worried about offending, in case of law suits? = ..OK kidding now... but there IS some cultural difference here...) anyway w= e=B4re all =0Agrown-ups here arnt we? OK, I admit I was not writing a = review here, just =0Aexpressing a personal opinion, to me, "The Tangs" have= sounded like =0Aelevator music for the last 15 years... and if you say som= ething like =0A"Well they proved them selves by their earlier works so they= are allowed=0A to be crap now without anyone mentioning it.. well thats a = bit silly ..=0A right?=0ADo you LIKE what they do now, if so, arg= ue with me... tell me why!!! =0APersonally I think its shit... but that in = NO WAY takes away, for me, =0Ahow I feel about Ph=E6dra or Rubicon... Which= are 2 or the darkest, =0Amoodiest, scariest, most gothic albums I have eve= r owned... No wonder =0Athey sound good in churches!!!Despite the "shi= t" comment, Tangerine Dream are one of my favorite bands ever... = Oh, just a small point Paul, can you remember to edit your mails so =0Athey= dont keep the whole thread, it can be a bit annoying for the Digest=0A use= rs.. (Er.. Rick) Just the last relevant post is OK with most..che= ersMark
=0A <= /body> ---2109272776-404628679-1342486579=:63349-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 03:18:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 371D4183475; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 03:18:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Zy7ECRKb910cJsJt7kKq4VkQlhYfQ6EcFWpxoyELcLU=; b=hdm47QuAE9R57aO/pZJFJTMSkznySnNT2wC701oAVQT35kRJo9ZlUL8l93fpKgAS4h o2YNjaB8f9ke9aLYbWgbarX0GGQKIVK/J/UGMXSsxhBilw8FzZleEc9cgdj4Lqls5EWW hOTAdtlb34qkrfU5eNBJNJwKlq7r4ekRzXbyFgkxcqyMJ+jn+xPPMtkUwRPoNK3SlRYU tzrK1JT+LJohN8TAN1sSo+NjPcBcAd3KNsCFAoj8ms655z4EQ81NzjrNvtBbQ/nS0M3n 3ecvNjrdP2myr/8dJxKeX1s8WnvS9j9hTBBnrtyy/ZJm95CHYOweO+ua8VlwTZ/VvaoY H5Og== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1342456139.76493.YahooMailClassic@web84513.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:18:54 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: my open letter to DIGITECH (begging for a better delay based looper) From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb20322a2cb1004c4fe01bf Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 03:18:56 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8fb20322a2cb1004c4fe01bf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 First off, apologies for bringing up computers, I didn't mean to hijack the thread. And Gareth, that's a super generous offer. How do you create VSTs, do you use SynthEdit? As a (hack) programmer I'd be a little ashamed to have someone write me custom software. On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > Art, if this is preventing you from creating the sounds you want, I'll > can probably make you one. > Get in touch off-list if you're interested and let me know exactly what > you'd like. I've been thinking of doing boutique VST's for artists for a > while and this could be a useful exercise.. > > peace > > g > > > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > > ------------------------------ > Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:43:51 -0700 > Subject: Re: my open letter to DIGITECH (begging for a better delay based > looper) > From: simart@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Hi Gareth & Per, > > I'm PC based, and I just went through the process of upgrading to 64 bit > Windows. What a pain! As an aside, that's another big advantage for MacOS > that you don't have to choose to install 32 bit or 64 bit. > > I haven't tried the PSP42 with Ableton, so I haven't seen the bug Per > mentioned. In fact I haven't used PSP42 in a while. As I upgrade or > reinstall Windows, I find I don't have the patience to reauthorize all my > copy protected VSTs. The paid apps that I really use are Ableton, EnergyXT, > Stylus RMX and Trillian. Everything else I use is freeware, which is still > an advantage of PCs. I looked for a freeware delay where you could crank > the speed up and down like you can on the PDS8000, but I didn't find one. > > -- > Art Simon > simart@gmail.com > > -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com --e89a8fb20322a2cb1004c4fe01bf Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable First off, apologies for bringing up computers, I didn't mean to hijack= the thread.

And Gareth, that's a super generous off= er. How do you create VSTs, do you use SynthEdit? As a (hack) programmer I&= #39;d be a little ashamed to have someone write me custom software.

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Gareth Whi= ttock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk> wrote:
Art, if this is preventing you from creating the sounds you want, I'll = can probably make you one.=A0
Get in touch off-list if you're inter= ested and let me know exactly what you'd like. I've been thinking o= f doing boutique VST's for artists =A0for a while and this could be a u= seful exercise..

peace

g
<= br>
Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

=
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:43:51 -0700
Subject: Re: my open letter to DIG= ITECH (begging for a better delay based looper)
From: simart@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delig= ht@loopers-delight.com


Hi Gareth & Per,

I'm P= C based, and I just went through the process of upgrading to 64 bit Windows= . What a pain! As an aside, that's another big advantage for MacOS that= you don't have to choose to install 32 bit or 64 bit.

I haven't tried the PSP42 with Ableton, so I haven&= #39;t seen the bug Per mentioned. In fact I haven't used PSP42 in a whi= le. As I upgrade or reinstall Windows, I find I don't have the patience= to reauthorize all my copy protected VSTs. The paid apps that I really use= are Ableton, EnergyXT, Stylus RMX and Trillian. Everything else I use is f= reeware, which is still an advantage of PCs. I looked for a freeware delay = where you could crank the speed up and down like you can on the PDS8000, bu= t I didn't find one.

--=A0
Art Simon
simart@gmail.com




--
Art Simonsimart@gmail.com=

--e89a8fb20322a2cb1004c4fe01bf-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 06:20:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38399183474; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 06:20:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_ade400ce-84ba-4060-9768-a8ab012a2bfb_" X-Originating-IP: [86.153.221.83] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: my open letter to DIGITECH (begging for a better delay based looper) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 06:20:31 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,<1342456139.76493.YahooMailClassic@web84513.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>,,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2012 06:20:31.0665 (UTC) FILETIME=[44819A10:01CD63E4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 06:20:33 +0000 (UTC) --_ade400ce-84ba-4060-9768-a8ab012a2bfb_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Art=2CYes I been using use Synthedit. If you're programmer=2C you'll pic= k it up in no time. It's great fun! peace g Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk Date: Mon=2C 16 Jul 2012 20:18:54 -0700 Subject: Re: my open letter to DIGITECH (begging for a better delay based l= ooper) From: simart@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com First off=2C apologies for bringing up computers=2C I didn't mean to hijack= the thread. And Gareth=2C that's a super generous offer. How do you create VSTs=2C do y= ou use SynthEdit? As a (hack) programmer I'd be a little ashamed to have so= meone write me custom software. On Mon=2C Jul 16=2C 2012 at 11:25 AM=2C Gareth Whittock wrote: Art=2C if this is preventing you from creating the sounds you want=2C I'll = can probably make you one. Get in touch off-list if you're interested and l= et me know exactly what you'd like. I've been thinking of doing boutique VS= T's for artists for a while and this could be a useful exercise.. peace g Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk Date: Mon=2C 16 Jul 2012 09:43:51 -0700 Subject: Re: my open letter to DIGITECH (begging for a better delay based l= ooper) From: simart@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Hi Gareth & Per=2C I'm PC based=2C and I just went through the process of upgrading to 64 bit = Windows. What a pain! As an aside=2C that's another big advantage for MacOS= that you don't have to choose to install 32 bit or 64 bit. I haven't tried the PSP42 with Ableton=2C so I haven't seen the bug Per men= tioned. In fact I haven't used PSP42 in a while. As I upgrade or reinstall = Windows=2C I find I don't have the patience to reauthorize all my copy prot= ected VSTs. The paid apps that I really use are Ableton=2C EnergyXT=2C Styl= us RMX and Trillian. Everything else I use is freeware=2C which is still an= advantage of PCs. I looked for a freeware delay where you could crank the = speed up and down like you can on the PDS8000=2C but I didn't find one. -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com =20 --=20 Art Simon simart@gmail.com = --_ade400ce-84ba-4060-9768-a8ab012a2bfb_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Art=2C
Yes I been using use Synthedit. If you're programmer=2C you'l= l pick it up in no time. It's great fun!

peace

g

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk
=

Date= : Mon=2C 16 Jul 2012 20:18:54 -0700
Subject: Re: my open letter to DIGIT= ECH (begging for a better delay based looper)
From: simart@gmail.com
= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

First off=2C apologies for b= ringing up computers=2C I didn't mean to hijack the thread.

<= div>And Gareth=2C that's a super generous offer. How do you create VSTs=2C = do you use SynthEdit? As a (hack) programmer I'd be a little ashamed to hav= e someone write me custom software.

On Mon=2C Jul 16=2C 2012 at 11:25 AM=2C G= areth Whittock <=3Bbuddhamachine@live.co.uk>=3B wrote:
Art=2C if this is preventing you from creating the sounds you want=2C I'll = can probably make you one. =3B
Get in touch off-list if you're inte= rested and let me know exactly what you'd like. I've been thinking of doing= boutique VST's for artists  =3Bfor a while and this could be a useful = exercise..

peace

g


Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

<= /div>
Date: Mon=2C 16 Jul 2012 09:43:51 -0700
Subject: Re: my open letter to D= IGITECH (begging for a better delay based looper)
From: simart@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com


Hi Gareth &=3B Per=2C

I'm P= C based=2C and I just went through the process of upgrading to 64 bit Windo= ws. What a pain! As an aside=2C that's another big advantage for MacOS that= you don't have to choose to install 32 bit or 64 bit.

I haven't tried the PSP42 with Ableton=2C so I haven't = seen the bug Per mentioned. In fact I haven't used PSP42 in a while. As I u= pgrade or reinstall Windows=2C I find I don't have the patience to reauthor= ize all my copy protected VSTs. The paid apps that I really use are Ableton= =2C EnergyXT=2C Stylus RMX and Trillian. Everything else I use is freeware= =2C which is still an advantage of PCs. I looked for a freeware delay where= you could crank the speed up and down like you can on the PDS8000=2C but I= didn't find one.

-- =3B
Art Simon
s= imart@gmail.com




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Art Simonsimart@gmail.com

= --_ade400ce-84ba-4060-9768-a8ab012a2bfb_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 13:09:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27B06183473; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 13:09:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5005640E.1040309@virgin.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 14:09:34 +0100 From: Dave Draper Reply-To: dh.draper@virgin.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Gigspam - London Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-Smarthost02-IP: [82.69.58.35] Resent-Message-ID: <9bWw7.A.HQ.QQWBQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 13:09:36 +0000 (UTC) Unashamed bit of self-promotion here.... Wed 25th July - Ryan's Bar, 181 Church Street, Stoke Newington, N16 - 8.30pm Dave Draper: guitar, laptop, virtual carpentry + John Rangecroft: sax, Dave Tucker: Guitar, Marcio Mattos: bass. http://flimflam.org.uk/ plus there's a couple of new tracks up on: http://uk.myspace.com/davedrapermusic including an excerpt of myself 'Looping with a Drummer' (Dave Fowler)! Dave Draper From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 13:25:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FC09183474; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 13:25:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=xxWW+2rIkpS+wFAZrEcyUZwnDALmB4REIO7+HHIDj20=; b=E/VUuZIrc7dDganNufciMy9fHD/1T3PGtpnZkBi7hSSLuuIx99VIzMk/0xJXmdnEZw pqqoLBbd/fpfC3tI2C4Tw5mleNLo3iaranUgnaTl4ouh1Qzu+A06G5KIc8JxpEWGfvhP 4NHTnZQRFmly/PMWG8kHLDScSU0dl2hrRUA+hsYejjvSr7el0oMPqMWzevLlXlzZRD+H 4cbSEXmgk/SQEjBPU0wwtp7ygBL4VJ3eKp8KSRC6b9jHpAPpuTXPeqHVZcnbd/tor1Uv nXdWzl3EAJprS5hVIhn1tewtesVcnfrszbyE+OD4WuiL7ycobqqBA2O34p3JYDhAmTgX WtpQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <0198584D-F579-471A-AF53-097A17B1A343@charter.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:25:56 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: reissue the pds8000 (or a better delay based looper)-FOLLOWUP from DIGITECH From: alessandro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec50148c1848d1404c5067ce2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 13:25:57 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec50148c1848d1404c5067ce2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Just a question: the PDS-8000 and the rack-mount RDS-8000 are basically the same beast? Cheers from Italy, Alessandro 2012/7/17 Jeff Duke > Right! The Boss DD 20 is a great delay w/23 secs and a good way to "hold" > but it has none of the other delay mangling abilities of the pds 8000. > > The fact is that we are an extreme nitch in the world of corporate looping > tools design so why would they put money into it? We are the 1% of looping, > occupy Digitech! > > J > > On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Richard Atkinson wrote: > >> >> >> Don't reissue the damn thing, digitech, reinvent it. A pds based machine >> with tap tempo or 'first loop' length setting and a longer delay time would >> be a terribly fun box. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 16, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Scott Hansen wrote: >> >> This is the response i got from digitech. nice they got back to me in a >> day. their answer is what i expected...oh well, i tried....s--- >> < br> >> ** ** ** ** ** ** >> >> Scott,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Thanks for your comments. Some of the chips in the PDS 8000 are no longer >> manufactured, which makes a re-issue difficult and costly. Have you tried >> our JamMan Delay?**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Regards,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Digitech Support**** >> >> >> >> **** >> >> >> >> >> >> > --bcaec50148c1848d1404c5067ce2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just a question: the PDS-8000 and the rack-mount RDS-8000 are basically the= same beast?

Cheers from Italy,
Alessandro



2012/7/17 Jeff Duke <jeffloops@gmail.com>
Right! The Boss DD 20 is = a great delay w/23 secs and a good way to "hold" but it has none = of the other delay mangling abilities of the pds 8000.

The fact is that we are an extreme nitch in the world of corporate loop= ing tools design so why would they put money into it? We are the 1% of loop= ing, occupy Digitech!

J

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Ri= chard Atkinson <thetoyroom@charter.net> wrote:


Don't reissue the damn= thing, digitech, reinvent it. =C2=A0A pds based machine with tap tempo or = 'first loop' length setting and a longer delay time would be a terr= ibly fun box.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 16, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Scott Ha= nsen <evanpeew= ee@gmail.com> wrote:

This is the response i got from digitech. n= ice they got back to me in a day. their answer is what i expected...oh well= , i tried....s---
< br>

Scott,

=C2=A0

Thanks for your comments. Some = of the chips in the PDS 8000 are no longer manufactured, which makes a re-issue difficult and costly. Have you tried our JamMan Delay?=

=C2=A0

Regards,

=C2=A0

Digitech Support<= /span>

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0



--bcaec50148c1848d1404c5067ce2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 14:32:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83BB0183466; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 14:32:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 798699.77899.bm@omp1017.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1342535539; bh=shxX1oAlEbJ6zvzXiY5x6aPNKalzwrzr8Y7Q2PHzPLA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ba4A7k+gLV4w9KdCC6qqcctjETjqDj6Fm5W2/e80+4zIdg7Ud64TaiXQflnHIXcO/QOLl+/H/m4145OLgM2IATDsb06n93MciOyIL3eGyyLIZNFhLrZKi7aDQuj+5OkNUJLIR/zQT+y/zPDCFg0oF3bhb7zOFxdjDxZfO6ZRws8= X-YMail-OSG: 6mwLmTkVM1lmf4nn39.NtADZor8qWpUlgOju.Y6ZvDvLyPH g.5MW_vgh_OiHKTUXNtwtT2cqMAL5bcfYdarlyQhIcHXNYWFyR4DPRDttNr6 XW2rhv9n48ce38_x0ScZdxr0FaJXv9ra.Ov7rNE3xLXDEvALLajxB9.1HPBv Ow42mbnVZEWHOr1B9_bp4ztAasI5CkJ8J_VGUcnatQEd6Izr_8pdXqDifj7q JYrCXxMZ3Ov0OQVU1fHcQsC7oD0CIoh4gnaxMhl_nWJ6buJf1s9aYDDQKroC pGT44kTKhqLG3C_EXqDCySzwGC64wmuJce.H36OqclhIrqzP8VdI5GZ97lft SYz.hdEbtO1975LJrdouxXVV24MMaGwgWqjT6lkegGmQPSFgTlqgPOls817c wD.CT4JxZI0gYhix1u9WvsfDljeXCoyX09_BmfuRIuGoSe9BPUhPxlKdCd5e lvjP1wy4HapJxpi1vXojom3CSJt3O5k3XQL3iVzJJjtR9 X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1342535538.15091.YahooMailClassic@web84505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 07:32:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Mungenast Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , Paul Richards In-Reply-To: <1342486579.63349.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="714497178-244217131-1342535538=:15091" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 14:32:22 +0000 (UTC) --714497178-244217131-1342535538=:15091 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Obladi =3D Sir Paul Yellow Submarine =3D Genius --- On Mon, 7/16/12, Paul Richards wrote: From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine Dream To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Monday, July 16, 2012, 8:56 PM My point was that there is so much worse music out there, criticizing TG se= ems excessively harsh. I mentioned Ringo because Backoff Boogaloo is a song= that could have been written by a 9 year old and certainly didn't require = any analysis about the process used.=A0Frankly, I haven't actually HEARD an= ything TG has done recently. =A0In any case, I made a "mix" of several of t= heir "heyday" albums (some of the stuff on their CD's is boring) and that m= ix still rocks today. =A0BTW, expletives don't bother me in the least as I = ususally curse like a sailor!=A0Regards, Paul =A0 =0A=0A=0A(shame they turned out so shit in the end...)=0A=0A Hars= h, man, harsh. Anything they may have evolved into is covered by their earl= ier successes. I mean, hell man, I heard Ringo Starr recently discussing hi= s songwriting process using the song Backoff Boogaloo as an example. Not 'x= actly a song for the ages.=0A=0A=0A=0APHa ha ha! Oops! Sorry! Im really not= sure what the Backoff =0ABoogaloo thing was supposed to prove? Er.. Ringo = wasnt exactly KNOWN for=0A his er... "song" writing... I can only think of = Obladi and Yellow Sub =0AMarine... oops... =0AI think I only sounded harsh = cos I used an expletive, that often seems to offend Americans more than Eur= opeans, I dont know why, (less religious perhaps, maybe Americans are more = worried about offending, in case of law suits? ..OK kidding now... but ther= e IS some cultural difference here...) anyway we=B4re all =0Agrown-ups here= arnt we? OK, I admit I was not writing a review here, just =0Aexpressing a= personal opinion, to me, "The Tangs" have sounded like =0Aelevator music f= or the last 15 years... and if you say something like =0A"Well they proved = them selves by their earlier works so they are allowed=0A to be crap now wi= thout anyone mentioning it.. well thats a bit silly ..=0A right? =0ADo you = LIKE what they do now, if so, argue with me... tell me why!!! =0APersonally= I think its shit... but that in NO WAY takes away, for me, =0Ahow I feel a= bout Ph=E6dra or Rubicon... Which are 2 or the darkest, =0Amoodiest, scarie= st, most gothic albums I have ever owned... No wonder =0Athey sound good in= churches!!! Despite the "shit" comment, Tangerine Dream are one of my favo= rite bands ever... Oh, just a small point Paul, can you remember to edit yo= ur mails so =0Athey dont keep the whole thread, it can be a bit annoying fo= r the Digest=0A users.. (Er.. Rick) Just the last relevant post is OK with = most.. cheers Mark=0A --714497178-244217131-1342535538=:15091 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Obladi =3D Sir Paul
Yellow Submarine =3D= Genius


--- On Mon, 7/16/12, Paul Richards <paul= richard_rocks@yahoo.com> wrote:

= From: Paul Richards <paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: OT:= Tangerine Dream
To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-D= elight@loopers-delight.com>
Date: Monday, July 16, 2012, 8:56 PM
<= br>
=
My point was that there is so much worse music out there, critic= izing TG seems excessively harsh. I mentioned Ringo because Backoff Boogalo= o is a song that could have been written by a 9 year old and certainly didn't require = any analysis about the process used.
 
Frankly, I haven't actually HEARD anything TG has done recen= tly.
 
In any case, I m= ade a "mix" of several of their "heyday" albums (some of the stuff on their= CD's is boring) and that mix still rocks today.
 
BTW, expletives don't bother me in the least as= I ususally curse like a sailor!
 
=
Regards, Paul

=
 
=0A=0A=0A
(shame they turned out so shit in the end...)
=0A=0A Harsh, man, harsh. Anything they may have evolved into= is covered by their earlier successes. I mean, hell man, I heard Ringo Sta= rr recently discussing his songwriting process using the song Backoff Booga= loo as an example. Not 'xactly a song for the ages.
= =0A=0A=0A=0A
P
Ha ha ha! Oops! S= orry! Im really not sure what the Backoff =0ABoogaloo thing was supposed to= prove? Er.. Ringo wasnt exactly KNOWN for=0A his er... "song" writing... I= can only think of Obladi and Yellow Sub =0AMarine... oops... =0AI think I = only sounded harsh cos I used an expletive, that often seems to offend Amer= icans more than Europeans, I dont know why, (less religious perhaps, maybe = Americans are more worried about offending, in case of law suits? ..OK kidd= ing now... but there IS some cultural difference here...) anyway we=B4re al= l =0Agrown-ups here arnt we? OK, I admit I was not writing a review here, j= ust =0Aexpressing a personal opinion, to me, "The Tangs" have sounded like = =0Aelevator music for the last 15 years... and if you say something like = =0A"Well they proved them selves by their earlier works so they are allowed= =0A to be crap now without anyone mentioning it.. well thats a bit silly ..= =0A right? =0ADo you LIKE what they do now, if so, argue with me... tell me= why!!! =0APersonally I think its shit... but that in NO WAY takes away, fo= r me, =0Ahow I feel about Ph=E6dra or Rubicon... Which are 2 or the darkest= , =0Amoodiest, scariest, most gothic albums I have ever owned... No wonder = =0Athey sound good in churches!!! Despite the "shit" comment, Tangerine Dre= am are one of my favorite bands ever... Oh, just a small point Paul, can yo= u remember to edit your mails so =0Athey dont keep the whole thread, it can= be a bit annoying for the Digest=0A users.. (Er.. Rick) Just the last rele= vant post is OK with most.. cheers Mark=
=0A =
--714497178-244217131-1342535538=:15091-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 16:44:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 611D3183474; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 16:44:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=vqafBs+8rF/QnZekS9EGHLqU3hXju6w7+SyadijOfvQ=; b=cZa+q5aMs5CQc/B+JcmESNxtpbZgdb/eo+/JuIX87BhyL/Ha9WxCPhco12U0VjIVms 5okG+Ugcko8iak05J0kwWh56HxeirePOgWa0VEmY+r787BAMdZZiutBRxxk0B0OCTC4j PwMkQkqQfyX/3mRnwsk1KYuzVZK+ba1Mob8j8Rp9cgCLMWlPYzf02KIwLEV0gEm+RrQG axNVKKK6+kI98G1lvqz6vlhKr4l5ZWIgKCotfn5iWuuUvkqdF1IPhcrkNVsTfxc8hqU4 5oIhmoGgUF8wwy/XbnMU4mdJzonSKkstbPRU2b9bd5tGF9Mtl8JJK+Iny/dSeoSayV2h Pi0A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:44:39 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: reissue the pds8000 (or a better delay based looper)-FOLLOWUP from DIGITECH From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4e43d14739cd6704c5094347 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 16:44:41 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4e43d14739cd6704c5094347 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 well, i tried. i know i've read posts that david torn has also worked w/ co's and begged them for something. he was supposed to be working on something w/ zoom, but that was a while ago... i realize that co's bottom line is they put something out and it has to sell to a lot of people for them to keep making it. hence the success of boss dd series. obviously that type of delay is successful for most folks. i guess i'm just sick of the static phrase samplers that is just tacked on to delays or multi-fx and they can say: hey we have a 20 or 40 sec looper on it too... my looping as of late has been w: my digitech dl8 (which i probably still like the best-although i wish it varispeed instead of just the warp mangle) eh smmh-which i think is a quirky device, i'm not a fan of the have to hold the button to activate loop stuff-hence my love of delays-you just turn the delay on and PLAY! if you don't like it, you play more....i realize i'm in the minority. but the ability to varispeed and reverse it, is a bonus....and the reason why i actually like it still right now.... in thinking of when i had my eh 16 ddl-ri...i wish EH would just take the 30 sec of looping that the smmh has and make that a delay looper, you just turn it on like a delay, but instead of the sliders of the 16 ddl, you have the knobs of the smmh. i do like the layout and feel of the smmh. the other funny thing i've been thinking of getting out is my behringer tweakalizer---the thing i like about that-it has a BIG RECORD BUTTON...perfect for simpletons like me. and hey it has reverse, and the "pitch" thing sort of mimics varispeeding....it's not exact.... yes, i will admit-when i saw that boss' new RC series got rid of the reverse, i thought that was strange. maybe my next letter should be to EH...begging them to make a 30 sec delay based looper! spending my whole summer emaling co's! ha! s--- --e0cb4e43d14739cd6704c5094347 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
well, i tried. i know i've read posts that david torn has also wor= ked w/ co's and begged them for something. he was supposed to be workin= g
on something w/ zoom, but that was a while ago...
=A0
i realize that co's bottom line is they put something out= and it has to sell to a lot of people for them to keep making it. hence th= e success of boss dd series.
obviously that type of delay is succ= essful for most folks. i guess i'm just sick of the static phrase sampl= ers that is just tacked on to delays or multi-fx and they
can say: hey we have a 20 or 40 sec looper on it too...
=A0<= /div>
my looping as of late has been w:
my digitech dl8 (whic= h i probably still like the best-although i wish it varispeed instead of ju= st the warp mangle)
eh smmh-which i think is a quirky device, i'm not a fan of the hav= e to hold the button to activate loop stuff-hence my love of delays-you jus= t turn the delay on
and PLAY! if you don't like it, you play = more....i realize i'm in the minority. but the ability to varispeed and= reverse it, is a bonus....and the reason why i actually like it still righ= t now....
=A0
in thinking of when i had my eh 16 ddl-ri...i wish EH wo= uld just take the 30 sec of looping that the smmh has and make that a delay= looper, you just turn it on like a delay, but instead of
the sli= ders of the 16 ddl, you have the knobs of the smmh. i do like the layout an= d feel of the smmh.
=A0
the other funny thing i've been thinking of getting = out is my behringer tweakalizer---the thing i like about that-it has a BIG = RECORD BUTTON...perfect for simpletons like me. and hey it has reverse, and= the "pitch" thing sort of mimics varispeeding....it's not ex= act....
=A0
yes, i will admit-when i saw that boss' new RC serie= s got rid of the reverse, i thought that was strange.
=A0
maybe my next letter should be to EH...begging them to make a 30 sec del= ay based looper! spending my whole summer emaling co's! ha!
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--e0cb4e43d14739cd6704c5094347-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 17:05:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C780183466; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:05:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=HoNq7uyetf9d0IxLkFSQey7n96ji2lr+wKk7gu4LV44=; b=QbEP82FxfI0drcdWu4yhIhaaORz5qauETpurgW8DKV8U82g1OF98uegPH0aqsOlNkg nINYhQ4PAzQSB1eAVUjgvP5+Tzi4FXD0V5FdEIhJWkKKp7Mq5c363x6qsTXbGfgt1SAI ixHmHQbwHDqrjuCi7E2bhgDsPmhyP1z8mx04XYka/p9wH4XytE3CVydQBWOdrv9y6HnK BnzBtK8aY9eIrhzGgq2hs3D11Gw2dEHkbo0JBrkgGBire8/rCn7uWrk7gFPsKmKbx3gR PIbjlMh0emgYQSH8dmTGtBx8ks6s59UptNWyuo7zwy1RQAMrMYPFaOWfVypTLOJUZRtr Hrqw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 19:05:32 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: reissue the pds8000 (or a better delay based looper)-FOLLOWUP from DIGITECH From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:05:33 +0000 (UTC) It's funny that Digitech snatched the name "JamMan" from an already existing looper by Lexicon and put out a new product with the same name but not as good as the (orignal) JamMan ;-) The letter Scott received in return shows that the Digi folks do not understand the difference between these two JamMans, so to me it doesn't seem probable this company will ever produce a good looper. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 17:50:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB36E183463; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:50:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 900890.80946.bm@omp1003.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1342547437; bh=JFPEOB1EVZhj9VonaMnXtyVc2QNvXrbeqod0sN2+jR8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dyMIXqHtbl6J802/jn2+WE6jxlkUfWfj5whWLa7eyDM0CywmgDuqzcH/ztHVkUxV5MrvHb4hIYX2qCUo3uCeKHwQRG5hf/YxkLtKtlMcjXmozmLKY3NkTLVitGe9L8CGHVFKFERxawbS/nI+V1T6Y8eaNJF97uCqILrCb5grAVc= X-YMail-OSG: fJ953aQVM1lGydsdXJnUCjopoP4dcWLFiJF0yC9akLhFITT EpNQMphoIYfTraefCcoa2TKBww.ehg9CD7Q8JZIOrZCPfLNPBOEVxeYyfXAt SEySg12AulGZt.Ux6aKlDMHkcNsQBPyuKrQ8dJfNHf9OummlfNNX9BVvTfr4 Jpf_OsrKAU4wnAnMjxrgGfXTPDSC9ySNC7BJK0i25exWJLikEdz.yl.ThTVd ksnL1IpTT9xJ6reuL_Q2YcMmw7f7fWSo9nqm_keO71y3QGoCCkbh9bJcJxEo fkHYXuflENCuwHQ0Nzr1lZ6FGDZ6h3c_i4wCF5giSaxLvMEw.lzoqivLKpMB ylVGlr1VuM9NlCS.0wrbROAQkqfCmclksD7Os2jStB58MaWxqlCLrrL6_UwP H6E.iwoZxLlTLWUu1hMSS9meYEhfdpZzIGujqpqfcw.D7b9.n5NAH8a1paYR 6H0m8Bze2xqtqqamN7T9tfEsqTO3u0G.PoiQi4mGazaLZ X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1342547437.14854.YahooMailClassic@web84518.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 10:50:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Mungenast Subject: Re: reissue the pds8000 (or a better delay based looper)-FOLLOWUP from DIGITECH To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-304233189-702701725-1342547437=:14854" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:50:39 +0000 (UTC) ---304233189-702701725-1342547437=:14854 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Whatever haranguing you do is greatly appreciated by your pals here in Loop= yland. Whether you get anywhere or not, it's all for the good, sez I. --- On Tue, 7/17/12, Scott Hansen wrote: From: Scott Hansen Subject: reissue the pds8000 (or a better delay based looper)-FOLLOWUP from= DIGITECH To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 12:44 PM well, i tried. i know i've read posts that david torn has also worked w/ co= 's and begged them for something. he was supposed to be workingon something= w/ zoom, but that was a while ago...=0A=0A=A0i realize that co's bottom li= ne is they put something out and it has to sell to a lot of people for them= to keep making it. hence the success of boss dd series.obviously that type= of delay is successful for most folks. i guess i'm just sick of the static= phrase samplers that is just tacked on to delays or multi-fx and they=0A= =0Acan say: hey we have a 20 or 40 sec looper on it too...=A0my looping as = of late has been w:my digitech dl8 (which i probably still like the best-al= though i wish it varispeed instead of just the warp mangle)=0A=0Aeh smmh-wh= ich i think is a quirky device, i'm not a fan of the have to hold the butto= n to activate loop stuff-hence my love of delays-you just turn the delay on= and PLAY! if you don't like it, you play more....i realize i'm in the minor= ity. but the ability to varispeed and reverse it, is a bonus....and the rea= son why i actually like it still right now....=0A=0A=A0in thinking of when = i had my eh 16 ddl-ri...i wish EH would just take the 30 sec of looping tha= t the smmh has and make that a delay looper, you just turn it on like a del= ay, but instead ofthe sliders of the 16 ddl, you have the knobs of the smmh= . i do like the layout and feel of the smmh.=0A=A0the other funny thing i'v= e been thinking of getting out is my behringer tweakalizer---the thing i li= ke about that-it has a BIG RECORD BUTTON...perfect for simpletons like me. = and hey it has reverse, and the "pitch" thing sort of mimics varispeeding..= ..it's not exact....=0A=A0yes, i will admit-when i saw that boss' new RC se= ries got rid of the reverse, i thought that was strange.=A0maybe my next le= tter should be to EH...begging them to make a 30 sec delay based looper! sp= ending my whole summer emaling co's! ha!=0As---=0A ---304233189-702701725-1342547437=:14854 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Whatever haranguing you do is greatly app= reciated by your pals here in Loopyland. Whether you get anywhere or not, i= t's all for the good, sez I.



--- On Tue, 7/17/12= , Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com>
Subje= ct: reissue the pds8000 (or a better delay based looper)-FOLLOWUP from DIGI= TECH
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Tuesday, July 17, = 2012, 12:44 PM

well, i tried. i know = i've read posts that david torn has also worked w/ co's and begged them for= something. he was supposed to be working
on something w/ zoom, b= ut that was a while ago...
=0A=0A 
i realize that co's bo= ttom line is they put something out and it has to sell to a lot of people f= or them to keep making it. hence the success of boss dd series.
o= bviously that type of delay is successful for most folks. i guess i'm just = sick of the static phrase samplers that is just tacked on to delays or mult= i-fx and they
=0A=0A
can say: hey we have a 20 or 40 sec looper on= it too...
 
my looping as of late has been w:
my digitech dl8 (which i probably still like the best-although i wis= h it varispeed instead of just the warp mangle)
=0A=0A
eh smmh-whi= ch i think is a quirky device, i'm not a fan of the have to hold the button= to activate loop stuff-hence my love of delays-you just turn the delay on<= /div>
and PLAY! if you don't like it, you play more....i realize i'm in= the minority. but the ability to varispeed and reverse it, is a bonus....a= nd the reason why i actually like it still right now....
=0A=0A
&n= bsp;
in thinking of when i had my eh 16 ddl-ri...i wish EH would = just take the 30 sec of looping that the smmh has and make that a delay loo= per, you just turn it on like a delay, but instead of
the sliders= of the 16 ddl, you have the knobs of the smmh. i do like the layout and fe= el of the smmh.
=0A
 
the other funny thing i've be= en thinking of getting out is my behringer tweakalizer---the thing i like a= bout that-it has a BIG RECORD BUTTON...perfect for simpletons like me. and = hey it has reverse, and the "pitch" thing sort of mimics varispeeding....it= 's not exact....
=0A
 
yes, i will admit-when i saw= that boss' new RC series got rid of the reverse, i thought that was strang= e.
 
maybe my next letter should be to EH...beggin= g them to make a 30 sec delay based looper! spending my whole summer emalin= g co's! ha!
=0A
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---304233189-702701725-1342547437=:14854-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 17:55:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A9F2183465; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:55:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 203552.61642.bm@omp1026.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1342547737; bh=bti2NrBLUW1WKMgqRMJc5l/ZTkUMYffgmkR/ZGcys54=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jsU3sKHqv9bJ0J11FvwQA7FCPnE8p77RnrPINAnlUAupd5HJkjnytRHooYWd7rOPSoIuYu6KrGAwkJdDg+xsdCb4n/sVmtyejqwPH0CxIQFwSlUDaW8e7xgOmzVqbINZ4tZOMo1SFy8I6vYr7/1oMmUtLeba2SEvSS4Xu65HjLY= X-YMail-OSG: n54mjs4VM1kcGU.V7bcWKW27IWsc2fhNWyBgEX28EF4Au0X 5jNFKNsOJxIcT7UsrS27WMYTJ.cXj8yHnUkUQDWbX1ncopivxhRimz5aQ7Ya Vf5zunnd4BkUmgewIfoB.1Nb8HHVZPMozLiT6Xp.aoLn_8a2sxBAjuIFDeYe QCVqr0onHEe2v7_5qIE_JyT1nMY8pcbEQAVQ4SIXoSt.tE0x6CxXhkj401ev IMDy_.xFOby3xrDsTqv86K5T7wEA2qSB6qhz_a_gHdpEPlEfplIOLSbSB2lC caYTxcKB2wpftePbb.syEyn0kCToiu5WOvD3GrtXEXSmhE0iAflWgJRQIP0X 01G1VuDcYOKpx_i1h.Ns9XUjXIjkN6GcUtWSG46Wcjjq_9UfWMnT0v9o_usA 0NziaxjtDA7aMlqLkrvUvpJto9.u4TbJlth9FsTW.aErk9szfhkA.Jrt5rZt Vun92UHKl0gQw9wIIEfhSWVTj2ezAovwdkmLMky3vaayUSg5d3Lh0dkUArkf 5kOk1rt4Kz9GKyUyd.rcCJBGGtJymODFjrTSKEAnRzgl7slAvShVdJKZgY2_ AF5TWEtpSQDDbPRYuMIbtIq9be3nXQvzHYfam9b9BDNZK6SqJSg-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1342547737.64815.YahooMailClassic@web84514.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 10:55:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Mungenast Subject: Re: reissue the pds8000 (or a better delay based looper)-FOLLOWUP from DIGITECH To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:55:42 +0000 (UTC) I used to work for Lexicon. =0A=0ATheir parent company, Harman (also Digi's= parent co) was/is all about turning their backs n whatever cool stuff they= used to do, and killing off their corporate children in a sort of white-co= llar Munchausen By Proxy. =0A=0AI was there when the corporate suits too Le= xicon off the building's exterior and replaced it with harman Specialty Gro= up. =0A=0AI was there when the suits threw historically significant prototy= pes into the dumpster.=0A=0AI say this to illustrate what kind of people yo= u are dealing with.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A--- On Tue, 7/17/12, Per Boysen wrote:=0A=0A> From: Per Boysen =0A> Su= bject: Re: reissue the pds8000 (or a better delay based looper)-FOLLOWUP fr= om DIGITECH=0A> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A> Date: Tuesday, = July 17, 2012, 1:05 PM=0A> It's funny that Digitech snatched the=0A> name "= JamMan" from an already=0A> existing looper by Lexicon and put out a new pr= oduct with=0A> the same=0A> name but not as good as the (orignal) JamMan ;-= )=A0 The=0A> letter Scott=0A> received in return shows that the Digi folks = do not=0A> understand the=0A> difference between these two JamMans, so to m= e it doesn't=0A> seem=0A> probable this company will ever produce a good lo= oper.=0A> =0A> Greetings from Sweden=0A> =0A> Per Boysen=0A> www.perboysen.= com=0A> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen=0A> =0A> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 19:06:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 019B1183473; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 19:06:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=bsoXazvlgu8lSU274gQzKcLYYZN3jQNs+wWhgxmBVnr11SzZEinlX79wd4DNVKi0; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <5865927.1342551976061.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:06:15 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: reissue the pds8000 (or a better delay based looper)-FOLLOWUP from DIGITECH Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48fc947d7c0e2fb46a625bcfd04ad481a7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 19:06:26 +0000 (UTC) basically the same unit-yes-more tweakability on the rack mount-w/ pots for dry and wet-plus a pot to choose-loop length-or as they call it-'delay range'. still has the 2 to 8 second range and the variable 'delay time'-usable on the fly or once you have a loop locked in.
-----Original Message-----
From: alessandro
Sent: Jul 17, 2012 6:25 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: reissue the pds8000 (or a better delay based looper)-FOLLOWUP from DIGITECH

Just a question: the PDS-8000 and the rack-mount RDS-8000 are basically the same beast?

Cheers from Italy,
Alessandro



2012/7/17 Jeff Duke <jeffloops@gmail.com>
Right! The Boss DD 20 is a great delay w/23 secs and a good way to "hold" but it has none of the other delay mangling abilities of the pds 8000.

The fact is that we are an extreme nitch in the world of corporate looping tools design so why would they put money into it? We are the 1% of looping, occupy Digitech!

J

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Richard Atkinson <thetoyroom@charter.net> wrote:


Don't reissue the damn thing, digitech, reinvent it.  A pds based machine with tap tempo or 'first loop' length setting and a longer delay time would be a terribly fun box.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 16, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com> wrote:

This is the response i got from digitech. nice they got back to me in a day. their answer is what i expected...oh well, i tried....s---
< br>

Scott,

 

Thanks for your comments. Some of the chips in the PDS 8000 are no longer manufactured, which makes a re-issue difficult and costly. Have you tried our JamMan Delay?

 

Regards,

 

Digitech Support

 

 

 

 



From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 21:02:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A600183466; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 21:02:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=kebgdrx9jD78S6o3ZFu2P5KWYliBiwrPdCNeLekFBlE=; b=Uvf6URDfi3q0Ni+RBGOlARiAchEfXQCuH2luHRnFeESxbk1i84MT8H2Lo+Z03KZVsQ bRdozn2U1lnVlTocdsWsv3ws0wO/lSr4YTEKMYrJg+0pDSNO2T/E2NL/RJ7JOE7JkHUC thOO76kNPWehcbBzHoJOvTrLsBDutMvWH+HbOpRJ07mPBHCIFb6Y1Sk56DUQW6mBlSmZ xGFKgBxJ6bHUXC0NcQmK1gT3MWPZDz6ufRgEWXQ6r/ImzWa13bZvYZ8qJLYPO9/N4jRZ sbEU6c6j8ui0oOWBWsZlKtVmVsNnCXIid6QOMnBgIDBZjqHjLucrA/WXk2gs9ueZV0co 7u+A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: danielhlevine@gmail.com Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:02:21 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: I5wMLgK9mH-dzGtmnCcV6bdkhOQ Message-ID: Subject: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else? From: daniel To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175d0394d0938704c50cdc87 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 21:02:24 +0000 (UTC) --0015175d0394d0938704c50cdc87 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm going on tour in Sept with my group 3dCosby (our bandcamp)and we're now rocking as a duo. It's sweet and we have great chemistry as a duo (considering we've been friends since we're toddlers and playing music together for 20 years) BUT we're trying to figure out how to fill out the sound (aside from my looping), you know, bring in the low end smiles. Matt (my other half) plays drums and is using a Korg sampler, but it's a bit cumbersome for him to be hitting little buttons while also playing crazy beats. We've talked with a friend about building some aesthetically enjoyable midi-triggers (e.g. into old action figures or pillows). I was thinking it'd be cool to get a PedalKeyboard and do some simple basslines whilst guitaring around. Here's the rub: I can't afford a super nice one. Anyone have some experience with these? Recommendations? Anybody have an old one they're looking to sell? I'd potentially be interested in trading for other gear, too... Thanks! Dan --0015175d0394d0938704c50cdc87 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm going on tour in Sept with my group 3dCosby (our bandcamp) and we're now rocking as a duo.= It's sweet and we have great chemistry as a duo (considering we've= been friends since we're toddlers and playing music together for 20 ye= ars) BUT we're trying to figure out how to fill out the sound (aside fr= om my looping), you know, bring in the low end smiles. Matt (my other half)= plays drums and is using a Korg sampler, but=A0 it's a bit cumbersome = for him to be hitting little buttons while also playing crazy beats. We'= ;ve talked with a friend about building some aesthetically enjoyable midi-t= riggers (e.g. into old action figures or pillows).

I was thinking it'd be cool to get a PedalKeyboard and do some simp= le basslines whilst guitaring around.

Here's the rub: I can'= ;t afford a super nice one.

Anyone have some experience with these?= Recommendations? Anybody have an old one they're looking to sell? I= 9;d potentially be interested in trading for other gear, too...

Thanks!
Dan
--0015175d0394d0938704c50cdc87-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 21:06:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B66F183475; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 21:06:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=EO862qL0SZQW5yp1WfoLs2LPrU1gU70Ne+B7dnWd+Hw=; b=CDvMFm1eDDgFM2ZZyPzibBZFJ3M+SETAjZXSkH3ydSSkcvPH4CZBluDciBA0AVi9an ISgR1ia5pta1t4EpoCSMquPkVzW2/mmMk1e7XcSD24npxcwOUHVd69315mK7Y63DOLlM A6ID8uGeZW3MncDbs4fUjKIPx94VPjqbnY8zK4oXVb6Hq9RiFA/cdA3hhd9KCz0FXPUk tL+9mf+F+zPoGtu47ir6YfHgmetEPWgjHVEtp9eWpwoUT91/yth8hxALkNQsaO46IDpx Jb6rcTMqg9aPMwEdEwraTjbImHuzVCNNOdcjy7/AhqKz7S+L77a9DT859P5BXEc2ogf8 TJqA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: danielhlevine@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <1342547737.64815.YahooMailClassic@web84514.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1342547737.64815.YahooMailClassic@web84514.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:06:00 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: zenrpTzBDdhX60Vav-24BVG8Q2g Message-ID: Subject: Re: reissue the pds8000 (or a better delay based looper)-FOLLOWUP from DIGITECH From: daniel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cdff558e0e40204c50ce995 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 21:06:02 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cdff558e0e40204c50ce995 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 have you messed with the eh-2880? On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Tim Mungenast wrote: > I used to work for Lexicon. > > Their parent company, Harman (also Digi's parent co) was/is all about > turning their backs n whatever cool stuff they used to do, and killing off > their corporate children in a sort of white-collar Munchausen By Proxy. > > I was there when the corporate suits too Lexicon off the building's > exterior and replaced it with harman Specialty Group. > > I was there when the suits threw historically significant prototypes into > the dumpster. > > I say this to illustrate what kind of people you are dealing with. > > > > > > --- On Tue, 7/17/12, Per Boysen wrote: > > > From: Per Boysen > > Subject: Re: reissue the pds8000 (or a better delay based > looper)-FOLLOWUP from DIGITECH > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 1:05 PM > > It's funny that Digitech snatched the > > name "JamMan" from an already > > existing looper by Lexicon and put out a new product with > > the same > > name but not as good as the (orignal) JamMan ;-) The > > letter Scott > > received in return shows that the Digi folks do not > > understand the > > difference between these two JamMans, so to me it doesn't > > seem > > probable this company will ever produce a good looper. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.perboysen.com > > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > > > --000e0cdff558e0e40204c50ce995 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable have you messed with the eh-2880?

On Tue= , Jul 17, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Tim Mungenast <tmungenast@verizon.net&= gt; wrote:
I used to work for Lexicon.

Their parent company, Harman (also Digi's parent co) was/is all about t= urning their backs n whatever cool stuff they used to do, and killing off t= heir corporate children in a sort of white-collar Munchausen By Proxy.

I was there when the corporate suits too Lexicon off the building's ext= erior and replaced it with harman Specialty Group.

I was there when the suits threw historically significant prototypes into t= he dumpster.

I say this to illustrate what kind of people you are dealing with.





--- On Tue, 7/17/12, Per Boysen <= perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Per Boysen <perboysen@= gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: reissue the pds8000 (or a better delay based looper)-FOLL= OWUP from DIGITECH
> To: Loopers-Del= ight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 1:05 PM
> It's funny that Digitech s= natched the
> name "JamMan" from an already
> existing looper by Lexicon and put out a new product with
> the same
> name but not as good as the (orignal) JamMan ;-)=A0 The
> letter Scott
> received in return shows that the Digi folks do not
> understand the
> difference between these two JamMans, so to me it doesn't
> seem
> probable this company will ever produce a good looper.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.c= om
> http://= www.youtube.com/perboysen
>
>


--000e0cdff558e0e40204c50ce995-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 21:31:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 851AD183478; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 21:31:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=eFJRiC58ynJmFKo7cu+IvV5w4o73hnByMPaeR9qLpzc=; b=KJqfZzqUL7O6IDxm58yodL3aWCryxQcgzAGoJuBlEyNV39lx5JsKPE9qUeo0hE4Ahx YJQM+V/NCzdwgssCVRVNEZXB2DlSqNi/JxyeFXZbM8OViiCSvAorOBP7Oh2QfWaT4TC8 bPlwx1XrecoIpSHlcA3dzNfDN0T9lmxXC1f8saOeKt9xmPAybeXt0A801BbKoLa8p/6S J+CMm1P21C2gckB56nNuTdzkmbJ3gQnZSKW1jPzZ+KqFmMsLHdpqlBwsy2Mj/0sXbbMs 9/voipY7oS/Y9wkTXIPPlPH1bmOwITO/YzDHhZP/xELJXlDZ82+KTP9nqmxBvPA+I4Nu MHsw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 23:31:01 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 21:31:02 +0000 (UTC) One way could be to pick up a Behringer FCB1010, set it to hold MIDI notes and connect a bass synth with a MIDI cable. One bank holds ten notes, which should work fine for a key. Then you may kick the bank switch for playing in a different key. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 11:02 PM, daniel wrote: > I'm going on tour in Sept with my group 3dCosby (our bandcamp) and we're now > rocking as a duo. It's sweet and we have great chemistry as a duo > (considering we've been friends since we're toddlers and playing music > together for 20 years) BUT we're trying to figure out how to fill out the > sound (aside from my looping), you know, bring in the low end smiles. Matt > (my other half) plays drums and is using a Korg sampler, but it's a bit > cumbersome for him to be hitting little buttons while also playing crazy > beats. We've talked with a friend about building some aesthetically > enjoyable midi-triggers (e.g. into old action figures or pillows). > > I was thinking it'd be cool to get a PedalKeyboard and do some simple > basslines whilst guitaring around. > > Here's the rub: I can't afford a super nice one. > > Anyone have some experience with these? Recommendations? Anybody have an old > one they're looking to sell? I'd potentially be interested in trading for > other gear, too... > > Thanks! > Dan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 09:24:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 787EB183478; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 09:24:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 342025.22755.bm@omp1053.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1342603490; bh=ACtb5PJ02gS66fXAFNSwAQo4djBCJHPxoBrj7v/12TU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=3Dl0m5ap+qdJyesjMahOfXFGlhUA6CEJMFVRIwqJCqDCmfuaDMUZf0eXNZ+NnGkCRdngYgm74EashMoedQqhyD7RkBC6WD/J42wIPWpX+Ie7RgL34B0Wwbqqk73+X6tAuA5eXSbKhfFRjvhGQlIjFEX4VeZwA+IxxyonlNNYo+Y= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mEsO7AoXPhHUt8gD9Q1THAVvEo86/wVy7dE3MSAxZN2meul5hFLQNhnig64qdMYIw/6xZ+08gb/xB4FjFmm0JL7izsAzeK3yEgOgAxWCBvyf+X3tdoOIpziCiptVlCmvXr5A5BuEInYp9AcexxsMZ6ZCMZgq0q+d4fyYrX+Q/T8=; X-YMail-OSG: ujVv7oEVM1m3ol2_dN7PNX3NlXprKMhnZ0Zjv_73695iDPt MK6ljNHwwp5j6buNfe2nlYYl02gIt_Eclr0Twt.NdqWMFV7FxUV3U5eUVeXw kW4h__V1q_Q_A0UrFcqCZQBGRhDJpvJuX_CbygTUSF8dTGIjAwiwnrwbiTiV an39UAJkk6in6JOLSVXt4_Fnv57rdi1clNJLWgtaXTrpK_vMmZ_b1IGKHIU5 3Jsr1.kh.eqPRXdjiKWoDk30wFZrS6Jpu0hkmjF4QTUaB5b7xHdrXM6bvium KJmTYqzpwBkdnaxm5GXt7iDFTIrjUzxjmh1UMTqZGLmIteqPzNbp7lm6zriL 1xOpRGRsc2a9HzVBwzVb1zFiSx8S3Y1NxAmuX5wmM1ktgdvxoQ1noTyL1RFo 9ULtmLdvfXcc6J2gcMKpRCrqrS2brJIzVf7tE4xQ.7V0wND8_RikgDD5vecI wUlYLgffI642cQOTraoYtVQyBqfhGxbx2Hln7yskzDC1YT2cdGbcGfE47gmF HPptc8FzT33cJsn.5aBw6.gjSfIWxZNEcHITDuiVWNakRntYEd4AKesBnh4f JtxocUwqA3pzy1108RdpqxjnTQwIWuQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1342603490.95040.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 02:24:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Reply-To: Luis Angulo Subject: Kemper Profilier Amp To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1929490892-1062888250-1342603490=:95040" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 09:24:51 +0000 (UTC) --1929490892-1062888250-1342603490=:95040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pretty interesting concept , a real amp cloner!!!=0A=0Athis machine takes t= he DNA of your favorite vintage amps by sending a series of tone signals it= into the input of your amp and stores them into presets!=0Ahowever it does= not profile the EQ amp knobs as they supply their own=0Ait sounds really g= ood to my ears,perfect for studio productions=0Ahowever at 1450.eur i wonde= r if it makes a whole lot of difference form a regular amp modeler direct i= nto the P.A. system=0Ayou still dont have the speaker/power amp "thump" res= ponse of an amp=0Afractal audio was claiming the same story when it came ou= t=0Atheir internal efx are quite limited though they say the will upgrade t= hem=0Ait d be cool if it could clone all those vintage stomp boxes,fuzz.,ec= hos etc. as well!=0A=0Aso is it time now really to get rid of your amps and= just clone them with this thing?=0A=0A=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D= NyPgBzqKlUs=0A=0A=0A=0A=A0=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --1929490892-1062888250-1342603490=:95040 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--1929490892-1062888250-1342603490=:95040-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 13:30:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2904518347A; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:30:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0589491993==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120718133007.15238.78508.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 09:30:07 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: A video for people who like tape looping Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:30:21 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0589491993== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello!=20I=20discovered=20this=20video=20on=20Youtube.=20I=20don't=20know= =20if=20any=20of=20you=20tape=20loop=20people=20have=20seen=20 it=20yet,=20but=20just=20in=20case=20you=20haven't,=20here=20it=20is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3bNasvHKaxM Tyler=20Z --===============0589491993==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 13:33:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 955C818347C; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:33:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 626844.48236.bm@omp1047.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1342618387; bh=UmE9nRccj9ETsLyy1b/cl7EoYlmzUNj6Orz9EjlrzDE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ksF8mbsa7i4KqILOl/Aotx+QraqEaLTNxvCVuUszJ8/gCZCQnlAhO6hZEgyRcIi+/06GsAb61DmmkeOUriRXhaVdks9xY1RI1wL2WixpHrVUK6msMU0wq+atatFmoxuZWWLSROM7+NHJBi8SIoC0N/R5auW4T5xh6HDUg79U+90= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SZlGpnJoT5gO/n5WsQDGJ++DmDG8SFyw+JaB55Ze4bkNpuLUA2z0AqlCUfoBQYCWTG7NBsbQUs0xIJgcwHM82yThZKQ32IO3VT+NJsOnHwU09q5T40/26kf3Ipgd74woRqBxdTGTFWfwJdTAVmhriM8+w8kDiEG+jDDFD1Ph5i8=; X-YMail-OSG: LU9pcRwVM1mciLihNi_l3BhJU5Kmc5rVQjHTvskWBnEnNPs xS801TfFTv9tYQNW4WlTtR9zi_NTmoctQeO15CR09l_tKBEfiS5bKwELZLhw xL9S6cUBgNhXbHh7VaKrrpksDvYE9xpnOSAuIbisE4DU.0OQzeqS.qOHBqRj iX_nUKlgRGVDL6Pd_otpzL0xTN3IlFe69LoRD.UO70ZPhu3aD_BM0u9h.p4h f0PbtxHXN0igZ6hPAkMPNXOuVgRoQTelAKCUDmKeGFgjv2cmIgF_HIN.pgek DIA.e8.Tn0uI33JVt5q_breqowpd8wyFTMNAn8jfbgGu1af6P52p2BNZEcHZ eAvBEjHSZ2OeWWuRoInjduZsq4HCCYtvYSaEYKVfxjA_jvpq3JZvsl5dOrs2 3lEsvbaa3aK073EaYsLWdoTQ63KNh90bL9XdEHMzLnPkaqcaoQcbxbLeNvTK 37IIx6kSxsW6DFePbtpwSA9Caxw7OL7VjBKJ6rMpeHZM3zNgI5PzpMM3O.ps CVhj93TkUIGwjsaKdpcTDUjDKBe41Lc_y9UJJ0iO3gV0mBVJ0dhl96uqlGCY oZvuV4iWdsfLIvDEJx6UEOMmGBA-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: Message-ID: <1342618387.64715.YahooMailNeo@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 06:33:07 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1662753009-967424380-1342618387=:64715" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:33:09 +0000 (UTC) --1662753009-967424380-1342618387=:64715 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Radio shack sells a peizo device, #273-064 I believe. After prying it out o= f the case and soldering a guitar cable to it, it makes and excellent conta= ct mic, or trigger for drum inputs. rig=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Per Boysen =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Tuesday, July= 17, 2012 2:31 PM=0ASubject: Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else?=0A=0A= One way could be to pick up a Behringer FCB1010, set it to hold MIDI=0Anote= s and connect a bass synth with a MIDI cable. One bank holds ten=0Anotes, w= hich should work fine for a key. Then you may kick the bank=0Aswitch for pl= aying in a different key.=0A=0AGreetings from Sweden=0A=0APer Boysen=0Awww.= perboysen.com=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/perboysen=0A=0A=0AOn Tue, Jul 17, 20= 12 at 11:02 PM, daniel wrote:=0A> I'm going on t= our in Sept with my group 3dCosby (our bandcamp) and we're now=0A> rocking = as a duo. It's sweet and we have great chemistry as a duo=0A> (considering = we've been friends since we're toddlers and playing music=0A> together for = 20 years) BUT we're trying to figure out how to fill out the=0A> sound (asi= de from my looping), you know, bring in the low end smiles. Matt=0A> (my ot= her half) plays drums and is using a Korg sampler, but=A0 it's a bit=0A> cu= mbersome for him to be hitting little buttons while also playing crazy=0A> = beats. We've talked with a friend about building some aesthetically=0A> enj= oyable midi-triggers (e.g. into old action figures or pillows).=0A>=0A> I w= as thinking it'd be cool to get a PedalKeyboard and do some simple=0A> bass= lines whilst guitaring around.=0A>=0A> Here's the rub: I can't afford a sup= er nice one.=0A>=0A> Anyone have some experience with these? Recommendation= s? Anybody have an old=0A> one they're looking to sell? I'd potentially be = interested in trading for=0A> other gear, too...=0A>=0A> Thanks!=0A> Dan --1662753009-967424380-1342618387=:64715 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Radio shack sells a peizo device, #273-064 I believe. After prying it out o= f the case and soldering a guitar cable to it, it makes and excellent conta= ct mic, or trigger for drum inputs.=0D
rig

= From: Per Boysen <perboysen= @gmail.com>
To: Loo= pers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else= ?

=0AOne way could be to pick up a Behringer FCB1010= , set it to hold MIDI
notes and connect a bass synth with a MIDI cable. = One bank holds ten
notes, which should work fine for a key. Then you may= kick the bank
switch for playing in a different key.

Greetings f= rom Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen

On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 11:02 PM, daniel <daniel@ithi= nkwethink.org> wrote:
> I'm going on tour in Sept with my grou= p 3dCosby (our bandcamp) and we're now
> rocking as a duo. It's sweet= and we have great chemistry as a duo
> (considering we've been frien= ds since we're toddlers and playing music
> together for 20 years) BU= T we're trying to figure out how to fill out the
> sound (aside from = my looping), you know, bring in the low end smiles. Matt
> (my other half) plays drums and is usi= ng a Korg sampler, but  it's a bit
> cumbersome for him to be hi= tting little buttons while also playing crazy
> beats. We've talked w= ith a friend about building some aesthetically
> enjoyable midi-trigg= ers (e.g. into old action figures or pillows).
>
> I was thinki= ng it'd be cool to get a PedalKeyboard and do some simple
> basslines= whilst guitaring around.
>
> Here's the rub: I can't afford a = super nice one.
>
> Anyone have some experience with these? Rec= ommendations? Anybody have an old
> one they're looking to sell? I'd = potentially be interested in trading for
> other gear, too...
>=
> Thanks!
> Dan



--1662753009-967424380-1342618387=:64715-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 14:33:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5833018347C; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:33:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 562 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:33:02 UTC X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAFrGBlAyaBkA/2dsb2JhbABFuTuDKAEBBDgCTwtGV4gmqiiTa4tngwyCPGADiE2SUI0tgTo X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,610,1336348800"; d="scan'208";a="298046263" X-Originating-IP: [50.104.25.0] X-Previous-IP: 50.104.25.0 Message-Id: From: Jeff Shirkey To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1342603490.95040.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Kemper Profilier Amp Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 09:22:57 -0500 References: <1342603490.95040.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:33:05 +0000 (UTC) I spent a long time trying to decide between the Kemper and the Axe-Fx 2. Now that the Axe 2 has "tone matching", which is quite similar to what the Kemper does with profiling, I think it's the better buy. I'm not knocking the Kemper, since it can do some pretty amazing stuff, but I think the Axe 2 is by far the more complete package if you want fx, a ton of on-board amp models (that sound superb with the latest firmware release), frequent (comprehensive, free) firmware upgrades, tons of ins/outs, *and* now the ability to match your own amps/cabs. To me, it's the hands-down winner. My .02 Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 14:45:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66E6818347C; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:45:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=waxMXQeuJFJVjfDPi4/I9cV2U9tyjiJ7znI4YGIVSAI=; b=cvUjhiitO7gb0an5a3LMFvL2lodb624OkN9+nJuFHLIrrioTinoMW2rpu4BepQDncV ezJAl4TB7as2hixWWAYEU3b+yjPqLDD5bMMm+MyeHOMeHCtbhg+Gc4bX6zKn2fFJqIjy yNNlnUYR0inICbsly7DA2vES0lPLKNs5csSeE+6nUoP9qwZpbZre7dCE+uJihgXtNXB2 ngwA0coFnkckiKEL9n1LJncoCIjsTNO3qrUMyfanqOtNCOckao82Zjyq8V25dFiO9Xwj HNYRAkL5Do6kI6MbG27bhRGYy6O8iShzpoGBaK7dUg/KxdtbRs6hw3/YfW8UkZ+iL8Le XBaQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1342603490.95040.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 16:45:01 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Kemper Profilier Amp From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:45:02 +0000 (UTC) Two more points on the Axe-Fx 2: It allows to be used as two amps. That's a big deal for us that play instruments with two groups of strings and dual output busses. I also like the option to digitally connect a laptop for looping through USB, thus skipping over the need to bring a separate audio interface (as the Axe-Fx 2 performs these duties). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > I spent a long time trying to decide between the Kemper and the Axe-Fx 2. > > Now that the Axe 2 has "tone matching", which is quite similar to what the > Kemper does with profiling, I think it's the better buy. I'm not knocking > the Kemper, since it can do some pretty amazing stuff, but I think the Axe 2 > is by far the more complete package if you want fx, a ton of on-board amp > models (that sound superb with the latest firmware release), frequent > (comprehensive, free) firmware upgrades, tons of ins/outs, *and* now the > ability to match your own amps/cabs. > > To me, it's the hands-down winner. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 16:06:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B634183475; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 16:06:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 52007.56208.bm@omp1021.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1342627561; bh=f3jNnMwPpJ/mhpdhHqwlAlMQ46eePoffYfChqWY1aCs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=A2mGlK/OVkSkaBwAWTcdvf66o/23xYh+oFHnept98aDOlCjaeuBgqtimClaEiPRk9UKDHAD8NehCc6UsWGzVRgRMn/PcZJ4ATJmepJ4zRNhibK9wT1GR5vxXpXzHITPmvaE2wlWMcMLjO58fgKxq0OTzUbWPP7RsGmETV6z2o7Q= X-YMail-OSG: P4V4zJUVM1k4W1ItaqXy1apFRtkH6sv0uHPJbYr6oZdnAg. cEix61Fws3h7D.fFIRkrQDu1T3qo1OSO0rb7yFfdZGmFB5KRFiDPFZZ1dRk5 BM1k_dVSJTH_InQrmUEix_.pLF_I0HocLkTL8JwKxh3TqpCIgZnced58WyAX hQYGbEAmJ5EIA_t3R3eoZvu3q3ONpXEaqRAh6W.lRT6rsd3tuWswfGlnVXz5 5XCbnzNZvpXHaVKfgm1kH4W3ML4N0eZ7mh.2mZ8M1oj7kBOe.Ed_wFDgmk0b dWs8bZ8ixtvIY_zd_FvvE8qflKI3LdkjSp9olRBzKh7H8Y2ecbK8ygug0S5V W74GnpHvZbfU0zIKeoiS8Wk8W86OEY3xrTk_1UCjAVldqs8YYm0G3_AIM8A1 cqVwetvYGLBOs6JTnnx968YsHyOt_V7emr5u.Aa1amWZWxYfZJ2yJxQF4cZg KNSFzTBHDWEBaM7sAH3iK9pJbL8a06NASpVRDzx28Px7r2lvnRaqnrjwkLo9 9zFxrRS7COGAxs0x8Wagvuk3Bsi8HSJ9O6clysEDGm_3lzc0a98jqCLw59JN zRyo3X61tCTb8Wsupt1NK.A6NOf3SUYru0uuKO4XwJkLIqpGJ X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1342627561.37174.YahooMailClassic@web84513.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 09:06:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Mungenast Subject: Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, bill bigrig In-Reply-To: <1342618387.64715.YahooMailNeo@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-873129165-417219658-1342627561=:37174" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 16:06:03 +0000 (UTC) ---873129165-417219658-1342627561=:37174 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I say stick the piezos into stuffed animals and pound them to trigger your = sounds. Impossible to miss.=20 Use different animal shapes and colors to help keep track of different pitc= hes and sounds.=20 Imagine the joy of beating the sh*t out of a Barney plush toy! --- On Wed, 7/18/12, bill bigrig wrote: From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 9:33 AM Radio shack sells a peizo device, #273-064 I believe. After prying it out o= f the case and soldering a guitar cable to it, it makes and excellent conta= ct mic, or trigger for drum inputs.=0A rig From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 2:31 PM Subject: Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else? =20 =0AOne way could be to pick up a Behringer FCB1010, set it to hold MIDI notes and connect a bass synth with a MIDI cable. One bank holds ten notes, which should work fine for a key. Then you may kick the bank switch for playing in a different key. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 11:02 PM, daniel wrote: > I'm going on tour in Sept with my group 3dCosby (our bandcamp) and we're = now > rocking as a duo. It's sweet and we have great chemistry as a duo > (considering we've been friends since we're toddlers and playing music > together for 20 years) BUT we're trying to figure out how to fill out the > sound (aside from my looping), you know, bring=0A in the low end smiles. = Matt > (my other half) plays drums and is using a Korg sampler, but=A0 it's a bi= t > cumbersome for him to be hitting little buttons while also playing crazy > beats. We've talked with a friend about building some aesthetically > enjoyable midi-triggers (e.g. into old action figures or pillows). > > I was thinking it'd be cool to get a PedalKeyboard and do some simple > basslines whilst guitaring around. > > Here's the rub: I can't afford a super nice one. > > Anyone have some experience with these? Recommendations? Anybody have an = old > one they're looking to sell? I'd potentially be interested in trading for > other gear, too... > > Thanks! > Dan =0A ---873129165-417219658-1342627561=:37174 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= /tr>

I say stick the piezos into stuffed anima= ls and pound them to trigger your sounds. Impossible to miss.
Use diffe= rent animal shapes and colors to help keep track of different pitches and s= ounds.
Imagine the joy of beating the sh*t out of a Barney plush toy!

--- On Wed, 7/18/12, bill bigrig <billbigrig@y= ahoo.com> wrote:

From: bill bigr= ig <billbigrig@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8,= or else?
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Wednesday, Ju= ly 18, 2012, 9:33 AM

Radio shack sells a p= eizo device, #273-064 I believe. After prying it out of the case and solder= ing a guitar cable to it, it makes and excellent contact mic, or trigger for dru= m inputs.=0A
rig

F= rom: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =
Sent: Tuesday, July 1= 7, 2012 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else?

=0AOne w= ay could be to pick up a Behringer FCB1010, set it to hold MIDI
notes an= d connect a bass synth with a MIDI cable. One bank holds ten
notes, whic= h should work fine for a key. Then you may kick the bank
switch for play= ing in a different key.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
<= a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com">www.= perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen


On Tue, Ju= l 17, 2012 at 11:02 PM, daniel <daniel@ithinkwethink.org> wrote:
> I'm going= on tour in Sept with my group 3dCosby (our bandcamp) and we're now
>= rocking as a duo. It's sweet and we have great chemistry as a duo
> = (considering we've been friends since we're toddlers and playing music
&= gt; together for 20 years) BUT we're trying to figure out how to fill out the
> sound (aside from my looping), you know, bring=0A in the low e= nd smiles. Matt
> (my other half) plays drums and is using a Korg sam= pler, but  it's a bit
> cumbersome for him to be hitting little = buttons while also playing crazy
> beats. We've talked with a friend = about building some aesthetically
> enjoyable midi-triggers (e.g. int= o old action figures or pillows).
>
> I was thinking it'd be co= ol to get a PedalKeyboard and do some simple
> basslines whilst guita= ring around.
>
> Here's the rub: I can't afford a super nice on= e.
>
> Anyone have some experience with these? Recommendations?= Anybody have an old
> one they're looking to sell? I'd potentially b= e interested in trading for
> other gear, too...
>
> Than= ks!
> Dan



=0A
---873129165-417219658-1342627561=:37174-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 16:10:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA5A9183474; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 16:10:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=y2NJnseueEJIEaT60Cn1yhBQ0vUYqEfE4KxE4mMY5tI=; b=n6Ha0Dq/WzC4mPuA8xM469RlSPIWqXhfuvShp1O5DeJbT2EVexvJZFFiLvA+RmS9kK DwkBqW1SgPggp0Y/MekVMEHQTnVnNH5CJfr+KfIYjlHnCNib6dygum9zYlatHCDkOwQI IoLbeF5efQhRe8xsRDU575iyb3LpWSgHGRIk/yrON2zfZZeBwc9VFp4RBJ9Z+/f9+QZa EWTDpJ4TMU1F0vclCRF532xPhhOGlKE1e/IVVQHUvB6wtqs18/D0hVch1jgYO+7Ebg1p uhL+6gMCzoCXtL2Jev+XDBwWtkrB8bF9zIArLpIDoE12Iu8/ghPjUep61aXfIwjWV60v fB1g== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Subject: Re: Kemper Profilier Amp From: Philip In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 01:10:52 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <1342603490.95040.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: <33I_I.A.hmH.RAuBQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 16:10:57 +0000 (UTC) As an AxeFx 2 user, the AxeFx gets a huge vote from me. It not only = works for electrics, but also for acoustics and basses--not just works, = but jawdroppingly, spectacularly well!=20 I was skeptical at first, but when I got my AF2, I quickly sold off my = Two Rocks and collection of tweed Fenders and late 60's Marshalls. It's = really like having a Pendulum, all the best electric guitar amps you = ever wanted plus a huge effects rack full of your favorite TCs and = Eventides etc. with great connectivity to PA, powered speakers, DAWs. = All I have in my rack right now is the AF2, a couple EDPs and a mixer. In all fairness, I haven't tried the Kemper, but with the AF2 I have so = many great options at my fingertips right now that I am not even = tempted. P On Jul 18, 2012, at 11:45 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Two more points on the Axe-Fx 2: It allows to be used as two amps. > That's a big deal for us that play instruments with two groups of > strings and dual output busses. I also like the option to digitally > connect a laptop for looping through USB, thus skipping over the need > to bring a separate audio interface (as the Axe-Fx 2 performs these > duties). >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 > On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Jeff Shirkey = wrote: >> I spent a long time trying to decide between the Kemper and the = Axe-Fx 2. >>=20 >> Now that the Axe 2 has "tone matching", which is quite similar to = what the >> Kemper does with profiling, I think it's the better buy. I'm not = knocking >> the Kemper, since it can do some pretty amazing stuff, but I think = the Axe 2 >> is by far the more complete package if you want fx, a ton of on-board = amp >> models (that sound superb with the latest firmware release), frequent >> (comprehensive, free) firmware upgrades, tons of ins/outs, *and* now = the >> ability to match your own amps/cabs. >>=20 >> To me, it's the hands-down winner. >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 19:39:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A525183460; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:39:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=NI3M2Z46PwiDHjeSmcSZikoSGRQH3XC+j1yR9ShoOac=; b=ZGyDFLo0M9PCJ5AiY4XPSOmfDr44u/5q2zfWJRlGWHtOXsogXuBrou2Ht0cZRxgW7O p5H8psWgAooCIpW9LtFKs31yhSlKCJYtwaGA4oKGULu1dFAEntfcjx28hkdct0hCJlyx FojFVYl8SrjPIdFYTv6NqSTtk0Ffxm1U8+VyiXWoI7zX3cqhu77oUtuXs8vrqUZU51VP 3cgHiqSUQXV5J5BeXRZIWplkzd06yWQ7zsHn+4/PSuMyi12TBsfH4QAurxV/NjdSRJUx zCwIl1Rhe+Jwhr3koWa9dlMnrll1BHaD9Tpm74ql7blYt3nnLHda+Uy7XMoo4KY608CF V3+Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: danielhlevine@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <1342627561.37174.YahooMailClassic@web84513.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1342618387.64715.YahooMailNeo@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1342627561.37174.YahooMailClassic@web84513.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 15:39:45 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: TwLna6uzqOXNILP4AOdAN_GdPIw Message-ID: Subject: Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else? From: daniel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175924ce42745c04c51fd306 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:39:47 +0000 (UTC) --0015175924ce42745c04c51fd306 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 yeah, i totally want to do that, too (stuffed animal triggers) On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Tim Mungenast wrote: > > I say stick the piezos into stuffed animals and pound them to trigger your > sounds. Impossible to miss. > Use different animal shapes and colors to help keep track of different > pitches and sounds. > Imagine the joy of beating the sh*t out of a Barney plush toy! > > > --- On *Wed, 7/18/12, bill bigrig * wrote: > > > From: bill bigrig > > Subject: Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else? > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 9:33 AM > > > Radio shack sells a peizo device, #273-064 I believe. After prying it out > of the case and soldering a guitar cable to it, it makes and excellent > contact mic, or trigger for drum inputs. > rig > ------------------------------ > *From:* Per Boysen > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 17, 2012 2:31 PM > *Subject:* Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else? > > One way could be to pick up a Behringer FCB1010, set it to hold MIDI > notes and connect a bass synth with a MIDI cable. One bank holds ten > notes, which should work fine for a key. Then you may kick the bank > switch for playing in a different key. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 11:02 PM, daniel > > wrote: > > I'm going on tour in Sept with my group 3dCosby (our bandcamp) and we're > now > > rocking as a duo. It's sweet and we have great chemistry as a duo > > (considering we've been friends since we're toddlers and playing music > > together for 20 years) BUT we're trying to figure out how to fill out the > > sound (aside from my looping), you know, bring in the low end smiles. > Matt > > (my other half) plays drums and is using a Korg sampler, but it's a bit > > cumbersome for him to be hitting little buttons while also playing crazy > > beats. We've talked with a friend about building some aesthetically > > enjoyable midi-triggers (e.g. into old action figures or pillows). > > > > I was thinking it'd be cool to get a PedalKeyboard and do some simple > > basslines whilst guitaring around. > > > > Here's the rub: I can't afford a super nice one. > > > > Anyone have some experience with these? Recommendations? Anybody have an > old > > one they're looking to sell? I'd potentially be interested in trading for > > other gear, too... > > > > Thanks! > > Dan > > > > --0015175924ce42745c04c51fd306 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yeah, i totally want to do that, too (stuffed animal triggers)


<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Tim Mungenast <= span dir=3D"ltr"><tmungenast@verizon.net> wrote:

I say = stick the piezos into stuffed animals and pound them to trigger your sounds= . Impossible to miss.
Use different animal shapes and colors to help keep track of different pitc= hes and sounds.
Imagine the joy of beating the sh*t out of a Barney plu= sh toy!


--- On Wed, 7/18/12, bill bigrig <billbigrig@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: bill bigrig <billbigrig@yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: Rol= and PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else?
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-deligh= t.com
Date: Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 9:33 AM


= Radio shack sells a peizo device, #273-064 I believe. After prying it out o= f the case and soldering a guitar cable to it, it makes and excellent contact mic, or trigger for dru= m inputs.
rig

From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com<= /a>>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-d= elight.com
Sent: Tu= esday, July 17, 2012 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: Roland PK-5, K= etron 9PEMK8, or else?

One way could be to pick up a Behringer FCB1010, set it to hold MIDI
not= es and connect a bass synth with a MIDI cable. One bank holds ten
notes,= which should work fine for a key. Then you may kick the bank
switch for= playing in a different key.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube= .com/perboysen


On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 11:02 PM, daniel <da= niel@ithinkwethink.org> wrote:
> I'm going on tour in Sept= with my group 3dCosby (our bandcamp) and we're now
> rocking as a duo. It's sweet and we have great chemistry as a duo<= br>> (considering we've been friends since we're toddlers and pl= aying music
> together for 20 years) BUT we're trying to figure o= ut how to fill out the
> sound (aside from my looping), you know, bring in the low end smiles. Matt
> (my other half) plays drums and is usi= ng a Korg sampler, but=A0 it's a bit
> cumbersome for him to be h= itting little buttons while also playing crazy
> beats. We've tal= ked with a friend about building some aesthetically
> enjoyable midi-triggers (e.g. into old action figures or pillows).
= >
> I was thinking it'd be cool to get a PedalKeyboard and do = some simple
> basslines whilst guitaring around.
>
> Here= 's the rub: I can't afford a super nice one.
>
> Anyone have some experience with these? Recommendations? Anybo= dy have an old
> one they're looking to sell? I'd potentially= be interested in trading for
> other gear, too...
>
> Th= anks!
> Dan



=20

--0015175924ce42745c04c51fd306-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 19:52:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30254183466; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:52:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=XVh9jhmayPHsInAd4VROoVX1LDAUXjyQzXvRSiich7c=; b=wOc0JduT2NHc2K0P4OROQ2nYRwy2Epr7CH3/GtU8CNmUUP2lcvt9lJb9S7dSzh+U97 UF8XkphIJ4j3G/KeDVpqwJ/WKabvYKMoIaACOJg0QE/tKf8vmVojw1DRUkHpm1/zX1hj ROdS5G066c0KOX940Fomsugii622MN0zeYQFnWqwhzYlJsrTHZS5lnQBu277clbdy43s W0xm/u9kIwYKMQLUvq5Y5WbNYA+GPBqAWuhOZIiQKIhyCF9kG/JXWX19qluNSveToGw1 1LnVr3BA3LTrhwQxVgj16M/hFhjzBrsWcSff+Irk7luW70gwLIBD7SVbWG/LCINGvmya 2NCQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1342618387.64715.YahooMailNeo@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1342627561.37174.YahooMailClassic@web84513.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 21:52:33 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb2072e0390dd04c5200146 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:52:34 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8fb2072e0390dd04c5200146 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Tim Mungenast wrote: > >> >> I say stick the piezos into stuffed animals and pound them to trigger >> your sounds. > > Hippo for kick. Walrus for sub. Per :-) --e89a8fb2072e0390dd04c5200146 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Tim Mungenast <tmungenast= @verizon.net> wrote:

I say = stick the piezos into stuffed animals and pound them to trigger your sounds= .


Hippo for kick. Walrus for sub.=C2=A0

Per = :-)
--e89a8fb2072e0390dd04c5200146-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 19:56:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 929B5183475; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:56:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 256055.716.bm@omp1027.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1342641401; bh=kTIHZZhMn4hrGzwIOnrx79F7mBKQukepnHwknkdczik=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Z6uNWeow+/ZbvL04JRn1QfNMnhLvSgQDLnPGkk/d/AAppMAgpHUClMgbow+0dvSBpGw6vwt7iJu+UpCaG7PmPl3NF8o4bTxInrrkfOqkGvZ8LY7jUcCHZknavabVfzKJ3fT083ehkry84bUa+7m8/tRp30bgz1iKnRmNSbAujHQ= X-YMail-OSG: LzU5lFQVM1nTgUy7sLUQLN9S1YWb0nmizO5EFQ5zRBXQ1T6 ZiHL1U7uCLtAfXMXskFc_7wg8kjcRJC.d2NQH5m9OU8FPeKp1NzEAXqhd8Q7 PNfxNA.ZjMIES3eivPPTcEusfLqix.umcBuA1XvQpw92MXUu1lBhmMJ1FlT9 WO63vO.LAV30b7DrEkZD5ORc919AQWbZW2mgjvSGV67mj7T69TGg7NneZUXp bbng755MhELQJ3MwiC34qyruxhR.i_7wWVRuvTLeTCg.UGN9TMrbTol4l8RA _a3h67fwmMoCo4TVjbZ3yK9WXzbNzVEIj23VKP_s.VtmU3ZY7R7anXMLngGd j2yat0zIo.d1WpmV54JbPAOU5PT2CHTpkoP_gpFY2RZLlb3AlmoHDBERbBk7 QC7gGlKdHhMRv9mHQ9SPn39Bhs6YlYl_JjakJwZEHWLphXiAvQb.ZSNDSvzL U28ZB7e9LZKxt9G2gjldBHoV3ICJFlKaWStXhjoP9m6_Ewh4BkreMLZXny2u 8kWmpQ_GPR8.Zp3p7APR9AU1bR0ypkGNeGeZtecwEdrFUFNnHlJLkO5JakRF AkTIhVZPcibfq1jyQIVEkIWMsqihpwpqTiNMaOXWPwcVYNh1U X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1342641401.95378.YahooMailClassic@web84504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 12:56:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Mungenast Subject: Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1298053209-993353381-1342641401=:95378" Resent-Message-ID: <2V2CNC.A.H9B.7TxBQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:56:43 +0000 (UTC) ---1298053209-993353381-1342641401=:95378 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Right on, Daniel! With a stuffed animal, you can beat the "Pooh" out of it,= or create a Tigger trigger. --- On Wed, 7/18/12, daniel wrote: From: daniel Subject: Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 3:39 PM yeah, i totally want to do that, too (stuffed animal triggers) On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Tim Mungenast wr= ote: =0A I say stick the piezos into stuffed animals and pound them to trigger your = sounds. Impossible to miss.=20 =0AUse different animal shapes and colors to help keep track of different p= itches and sounds.=20 Imagine the joy of beating the sh*t out of a Barney plush toy! =0A --- On Wed, 7/18/12, bill bigrig wrote: =0A From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ADate: Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 9:33 AM Radio shack sells a peizo device, #273-064 I believe. After prying it out o= f the case and soldering a=0A guitar cable to it, it makes and excellent co= ntact mic, or trigger for drum inputs.=0A rig From: Per Boysen =0A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 2:31 PM =0A Subject: Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else? =20 =0AOne way could be to pick up a Behringer FCB1010, set it to hold MIDI notes and connect a bass synth with a MIDI cable. One bank holds ten notes, which should work fine for a key. Then you may kick the bank switch for playing in a different key. =0A Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen =0A On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 11:02 PM, daniel wrote: > I'm going on tour in Sept with my group 3dCosby (our bandcamp) and we're = now =0A> rocking as a duo. It's sweet and we have great chemistry as a duo > (considering we've been friends since we're toddlers and playing music > together for 20 years) BUT we're trying to figure out how to fill out=0A = the > sound (aside from my looping), you know, bring=0A in the low end smiles. = Matt > (my other half) plays drums and is using a Korg sampler, but=A0 it's a bi= t > cumbersome for him to be hitting little buttons while also playing crazy > beats. We've talked with a friend about building some aesthetically =0A> enjoyable midi-triggers (e.g. into old action figures or pillows). > > I was thinking it'd be cool to get a PedalKeyboard and do some simple > basslines whilst guitaring around. > > Here's the rub: I can't afford a super nice one. =0A> > Anyone have some experience with these? Recommendations? Anybody have an = old > one they're looking to sell? I'd potentially be interested in trading for > other gear, too... > > Thanks! =0A> Dan =0A =0A ---1298053209-993353381-1342641401=:95378 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Right on, Daniel! With a stuffed animal, = you can beat the "Pooh" out of it, or create a Tigger trigger.


--- On Wed, 7/18/12, daniel <daniel@ithinkwethink.org>= wrote:

From: daniel <daniel@ith= inkwethink.org>
Subject: Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else?
= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Wednesday, July 18, 2012, = 3:39 PM

yeah, i totally want to do that, to= o (stuffed animal triggers)


On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Tim Mungenast <tmungenast@verizon.net> wrote:
=0A

I say stick th= e piezos into stuffed animals and pound them to trigger your sounds. Imposs= ible to miss.
=0AUse different animal shapes and colors to help keep tr= ack of different pitches and sounds.
Imagine the joy of beating the sh*= t out of a Barney plush toy!

=0A
--- On Wed, 7/18/12= , bill bigrig <bill= bigrig@yahoo.com> wrote:
=0A
= From: bill bigrig <bil= lbigrig@yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: Rol= and PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else?
To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
=0ADate: Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 9:33 AM


Radio shack sells a peizo device, #273-= 064 I believe. After prying it out of the case and soldering a=0A guitar ca= ble to it, it makes and excellent contact mic, or trigger for drum inputs.= =0A
rig
<= hr size=3D"1"> From: Per = Boysen <perboysen@gmail.= com>
=0A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 2:31 PM
=0A Subject: Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PE= MK8, or else?

=0AOne way could be to pick up a Behri= nger FCB1010, set it to hold MIDI
notes and connect a bass synth with a = MIDI cable. One bank holds ten
notes, which should work fine for a key. = Then you may kick the bank
switch for playing in a different key.
=0A=
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
=0A

On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at= 11:02 PM, daniel <daniel@ithinkwethink.org> = wrote:
> I'm going on tour in Sept with my group 3dCosby (our bandcam= p) and we're now
=0A> rocking as a duo. It's sweet and we have great = chemistry as a duo
> (considering we've been friends since we're todd= lers and playing music
> together for 20 years) BUT we're trying to f= igure out how to fill out=0A the
> sound (aside from my looping), you= know, bring=0A in the low end smiles. Matt
> (my other half) plays d= rums and is using a Korg sampler, but  it's a bit
> cumbersome f= or him to be hitting little buttons while also playing crazy
> beats.= We've talked with a friend about building some aesthetically
=0A> en= joyable midi-triggers (e.g. into old action figures or pillows).
>> I was thinking it'd be cool to get a PedalKeyboard and do some simple=
> basslines whilst guitaring around.
>
> Here's the rub:= I can't afford a super nice one.
=0A>
> Anyone have some exper= ience with these? Recommendations? Anybody have an old
> one they're = looking to sell? I'd potentially be interested in trading for
> other= gear, too...
>
> Thanks!
=0A> Dan



=
=0A

=0A
---1298053209-993353381-1342641401=:95378-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 19:58:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8943183474; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:58:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 986864.34345.bm@omp1026.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1342641501; bh=s22hkDoKPzbs37HrUbEdU8DxnKGrg3uYSrwNZmjlIl4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TgzRezOue2/olQFKMDA8//jyoe2+pqH8WBPP9ys5+DAJ9NQFqyNwbG0rWJMOJ6vlXM/jZDVYdcbb7k4fuwG7LqVyLp22zz7lXeNDaITZh4pQKmdBMT03qvMeM+C1kmhsmTcuxc6YUjdkviPmwzaxelaL1Dc7lFBhD4cYQurAPwc= X-YMail-OSG: KcgS.qMVM1mIH4QxNVLzdkejN0ULQw91TDKpIRc_UY9JS_F wx7mSa8l_kkvHqzAQnqCaDHCPK_vStIInKMicJcceBBM6p1OwjyOtykGLq3L B._WGNNCycZCbchVrRKh__W7u.VdGD3O.I472bH4WdNNxCr8UZlFrz3a5VMN pvp9B1cMEorf8fi4.48ilEw_WqQi.Q53_4fFZGI4BTKnw8WC_6IgbJZeZCEy RkkWKPlsU10_VWa2B3vMjLzK3qWuokyfHJVwWm6W2mGeI8oTA3F62G98tCI_ VPCOMdj3Vw27CURqqW2hCXsYKCrcUbd9r60LMaT8NFpFZsbkH__tMceJqrOx 08MNoGcXhkcMoNZ2Mb9NYRiLOXmfxMtXnosaSroGJhUMWv2U4QVwSsc3Qjhs .WNVQ4JZ_BRvlJBEJ_kLpsZzwdKkM99yJkids0YmNqO4b0KCOA3Fx.XZRwcc 2.T7iixI3C5JFH9gbN26N0b9nZJi.rhU7FWxUjxwu6VA- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1342641501.77186.YahooMailClassic@web84515.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 12:58:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Mungenast Subject: Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1693806986-184611358-1342641501=:77186" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:58:23 +0000 (UTC) --1693806986-184611358-1342641501=:77186 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, Per, especially if you are doing a cover of "I Am The Walrus." --- On Wed, 7/18/12, Per Boysen wrote: From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 3:52 PM On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Tim Mungenast wr= ote: =0A=0A I say stick the piezos into stuffed animals and pound them to trigger your = sounds.=0A Hippo for kick. Walrus for sub.=A0 Per :-)=0A --1693806986-184611358-1342641501=:77186 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, Per, especially if you are doing a cover= of "I Am The Walrus."


--- On Wed, 7/18/12, Per Boy= sen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Roland = PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else?
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.comDate: Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 3:52 PM

<= div class=3D"yiv1384145250gmail_quote">
= On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Tim Mungenast <tmungenast@verizon.net> wr= ote:
=0A=0A
=0A

I say stick the piezos in= to stuffed animals and pound them to trigger your sounds.


Hi= ppo for kick. Walrus for sub. 

Per :-)
= =0A
--1693806986-184611358-1342641501=:77186-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 20:37:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09954183474; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:37:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 64006.26468.bm@omp1019.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1342643822; bh=XjsxFjFaYLdkL+nvtfG2CaTL63XCRZ3TcWxU/F9of2k=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UM4jVrmFnaAAdmTbgmoiEnv2YuSN9qk1IjcEnTFVt2CP7AHjNyAWbk5tcMOPcWEtS88uxaBrJc1t1Ggy/STmcviMHr5psdYUqlCJaNWJgfaenDQs/sP8fA3u259Mk6whtmTzu1XR0h7d9ivZQ0mIl8Ev15y2bgB+oop5SHI138U= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bXV2vHduUQqWi1seeIubL7cMU6SqZZqgLHtw6Rxnye0dKijzBuXat3vCw5M1O1kKtWanNMPCSWX28MQm6Lc7bO5N1nfqQSOHIW2kuHmrMTEC3OKZOydfIPX3ueQvQLG1NowYM8C3LsuzpcpgeCDrCezJ+xcagFQlbAQIQyXONj0=; X-YMail-OSG: lGTihZ8VM1kUW0I4s_RHeeeCPBMUTFD1aoflXcNoh49zKtk 3pLIjKEtiB1IeMLP5C59IKVMxnD_CmJcpTzf9moaN.HA0PmfgvIrg9UR0n8Q NDs0hzBDx_gK2emtghXCQ.p7hproiupPbP8.qq7wa1SLB2yw1N4UlGv__Sou hhy1hAM0qrdY7lU6nfpYY_EmYRAz.KGyuOyuOEwoR.0wtBlYQ98CxmHh4TvY bfYrUnAx3TnvtFtYNfOZ4UTSlJEQXaQ2XO4XyeU8_w8SBnz2pcGWY0M2QK8p 3R2..ug0BCYR3NCEux_tJJlw8eKXGFq.nfSe5Slnq0mtJZ6v8UqURYdEO9T8 L73m2mQrM.7nmA9thSrDC.P5fIVbzpllRMQHfSz7pnNoJ4uFQjVIBLckJfwk G3hzWVaFUz2mD3O_2oe6hJzyLo18GI8byTUGRi2lHbAKYyQ0O3VjnCMJ1QCj CKb4IjmmP0JzDvBCgoZH1oA-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: <1342641501.77186.YahooMailClassic@web84515.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1342643822.89298.YahooMailNeo@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:37:02 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1342641501.77186.YahooMailClassic@web84515.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-981468583-1342242179-1342643822=:89298" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:37:03 +0000 (UTC) ---981468583-1342242179-1342643822=:89298 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don't forget, these peizo units work wonderfully on violins,(fiddles), mand= olins, violin-ukes, all sorts of metal clanky devices, and on and on. They = do not work real well on acoustic guitars because of the difficulty of tapi= ng it on the instrument where it does not sound, "boxy". At $2.79 each, the= y are a good value. Be careful not to disturb the solder connection on the = disk itself. Cut off and discard the blue wire. You will see the obvious ce= nter connection, and the outer, "shield" connection. I've been using them f= or 30 years now, and despite some claims that a preamp is essential, (I thi= nk it comes from a prominent peizo based pickup manufacturer), if you have = an input gain control such as that on a mixing board, you will find more th= an enough output to do the job. Rig=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Tim Mungenast =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Wednesd= ay, July 18, 2012 12:58 PM=0ASubject: Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or el= se?=0A=0A=0AYes, Per, especially if you are doing a cover of "I Am The Walr= us."=0A=0A=0A--- On Wed, 7/18/12, Per Boysen wrote:= =0A=0A=0A>From: Per Boysen =0A>Subject: Re: Roland PK-= 5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else?=0A>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A>Da= te: Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 3:52 PM=0A>=0A>=0A>On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12= :06 PM, Tim Mungenast wrote:=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>>I say = stick the piezos into stuffed animals and pound them to trigger your sounds= . =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Hippo for kick. Walrus for sub.=A0=0A>=0A>=0A>Per :-) ---981468583-1342242179-1342643822=:89298 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don't forget, these peizo units work wonderfully on violins,(fiddles), = mandolins, violin-ukes, all sorts of metal clanky devices, and on and on. T= hey do not work real well on acoustic guitars because of the difficulty of = taping it on the instrument where it does not sound, "boxy". At $= 2.79 each, they are a good value. Be careful not to disturb the solder conn= ection on the disk itself. Cut off and discard the blue wire. You will see = the obvious center connection, and the outer, "shield" connection= . I've been using them for 30 years now, and despite some claims that a= preamp is essential, (I think it comes from a prominent peizo based pickup= manufacturer), if you have an input gain control such as that on a mixing = board, you will find more than enough output to do the job.=0D
Rig
=

From:= Tim Mungenast <tmungenast@verizon.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 1= 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: R= oland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else?

=0A
Yes, Per, especially if you are doing= a cover of "I Am The Walrus."


--- On Wed,= 7/18/12, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
Subject:= Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else?
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-de= light.com
Date: Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 3:52 PM

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Tim Mungenast <tmungenast@verizon.net> wrote:
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I say stick the piezos into stuffed animals an= d pound them to trigger your sounds.


Hippo for kick. Walrus = for sub. 

Per :-)
=0A
=


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To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1662753009-1106619482-1342644356=:12513" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:45:58 +0000 (UTC) --1662753009-1106619482-1342644356=:12513 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a Roland GS-6 with the FC-100 foot controller. If you can locate the= Roland RMC-1, it will enable the Roland FC-100 to play midi instruents Rig=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: daniel =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Wednesday, J= uly 18, 2012 12:39 PM=0ASubject: Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else?= =0A=0A=0Ayeah, i totally want to do that, too (stuffed animal triggers)=0A= =0A=0A=0AOn Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Tim Mungenast wrote:=0A=0A=0A>I say stick the piezos into stuffed animals and poun= d them to trigger your sounds. Impossible to miss. =0A>Use different animal= shapes and colors to help keep track of different pitches and sounds. =0A>= Imagine the joy of beating the sh*t out of a Barney plush toy!=0A>=0A>=0A>-= -- On Wed, 7/18/12, bill bigrig wrote:=0A>=0A>=0A>>F= rom: bill bigrig =0A>>=0A>>Subject: Re: Roland PK-5,= Ketron 9PEMK8, or else?=0A>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A>>Da= te: Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 9:33 AM =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Radio shack sells= a peizo device, #273-064 I believe. After prying it out of the case and so= ldering a guitar cable to it, it makes and excellent contact mic, or trigge= r for drum inputs. =0A>>rig=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>________________________________= =0A>>From: Per Boysen =0A>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers= -delight.com =0A>>Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 2:31 PM=0A>>Subject: Re: Rol= and PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else?=0A>>=0A>>One way could be to pick up a Be= hringer FCB1010, set it to hold MIDI=0A>>notes and connect a bass synth wit= h a MIDI cable. One bank holds ten=0A>>notes, which should work fine for a = key. Then you may kick the bank=0A>>switch for playing in a different key.= =0A>>=0A>>Greetings from Sweden=0A>>=0A>>Per Boysen=0A>>www.perboysen.com= =0A>>http://www.youtube.com/perboysen=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at= 11:02 PM, daniel wrote:=0A>>> I'm going on tour= in Sept with my group 3dCosby (our bandcamp) and we're now=0A>>> rocking a= s a duo. It's sweet and we have great chemistry as a duo=0A>>> (considering= we've been friends since we're toddlers and playing music=0A>>> together f= or 20 years) BUT we're trying to figure out how to fill out the=0A>>> sound= (aside from my looping), you know, bring in the low end smiles. Matt=0A>>>= (my other half) plays drums and is using a Korg sampler, but=A0 it's a bit= =0A>>> cumbersome for him to be hitting little buttons while also playing c= razy=0A>>> beats. We've talked with a friend about building some aesthetica= lly=0A>>> enjoyable midi-triggers (e.g. into old action figures or pillows)= .=0A>>>=0A>>> I was thinking it'd be cool to get a PedalKeyboard and do som= e simple=0A>>> basslines whilst guitaring around.=0A>>>=0A>>> Here's the ru= b: I can't afford a super nice one.=0A>>>=0A>>> Anyone have some experience= with these? Recommendations? Anybody have an old=0A>>> one they're looking= to sell? I'd potentially be interested in trading for=0A>>> other gear, to= o...=0A>>>=0A>>> Thanks!=0A>>> Dan=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> --1662753009-1106619482-1342644356=:12513 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a Roland GS-6 with the FC-100 foot controller. If you can locate the= Roland RMC-1, it will enable the Roland FC-100 to play midi instruents=0D<= br />Rig

From:= daniel <daniel@ithinkwethink.org>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
= Sent: Wednesday, July 18, = 2012 12:39 PM
Subject:= Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else?

=0A
yeah, i totally want to do that, too (stuffed animal trigg= ers)


On Wed, Jul 18, 201= 2 at 12:06 PM, Tim Mungenast <tmungenast@verizon.net> wrote:
=0A

I say stick the piezos into stuffed animals and pound them to trigger = your sounds. Impossible to miss.
=0AUse different animal shapes and col= ors to help keep track of different pitches and sounds.
Imagine the joy= of beating the sh*t out of a Barney plush toy!

=0A
--- = On Wed, 7/18/12, bill bigrig <billbigrig@yahoo.com> wrote:
=0AFrom: bill bigrig <billbigrig@y= ahoo.com>

Subject: Re: Roland PK-5= , Ketron 9PEMK8, or else?
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0ADate: Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 9:33 AM


Radio shack sells a peizo device, #273-064 I believe. Aft= er prying it out of the case and soldering a=0A guitar cable to it, it make= s and excellent contact mic, or trigger for drum inputs.=0A
rig

= From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
=0A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=
Sent: Tuesday, July 1= 7, 2012 2:31 PM
=0A Subject:= Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else?

=0AOne= way could be to pick up a Behringer FCB1010, set it to hold MIDI
notes = and connect a bass synth with a MIDI cable. One bank holds ten
notes, wh= ich should work fine for a key. Then you may kick the bank
switch for pl= aying in a different key.
=0A
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen=
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
=0A

On= Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 11:02 PM, daniel <daniel@ithin= kwethink.org> wrote:
> I'm going on tour in Sept with my g= roup 3dCosby (our bandcamp) and we're now
=0A> rocking as a duo. = It's sweet and we have great chemistry as a duo
> (considering we= 've been friends since we're toddlers and playing music
> tog= ether for 20 years) BUT we're trying to figure out how to fill out=0A t= he
> sound (aside from my looping), you know, bring=0A in the low end= smiles. Matt
> (my other half) plays drums and is using a Korg sampl= er, but=A0 it's a bit
> cumbersome for him to be hitting little b= uttons while also playing crazy
> beats. We've talked with a frie= nd about building some aesthetically
=0A> enjoyable midi-triggers (e.= g. into old action figures or pillows).
>
> I was thinking it&#= 39;d be cool to get a PedalKeyboard and do some simple
> basslines wh= ilst guitaring around.
>
> Here's the rub: I can't affo= rd a super nice one.
=0A>
> Anyone have some experience with th= ese? Recommendations? Anybody have an old
> one they're looking t= o sell? I'd potentially be interested in trading for
> other gear= , too...
>
> Thanks!
=0A> Dan



=0A

=0A


--1662753009-1106619482-1342644356=:12513-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 20:57:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F8F7183466; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:57:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=SSUhcjvA9WAUifZi2b7LmCAHlaD+HjPoJfz+eIBIhD0=; b=oKFiFWE3ItJ2SZImA9v8kBTQX5OvLNK9aJSCD9eUsBhqznkKJzkHkeSTF318nkZyBz jjZxEVecLxteEDdvsvXySEd+W6uYusKao8o4KsTBeYjUTcT9FQVNrKtlC6yXiLlOHY5n VZab1hOogkPNNd6GUm4XRXxbJw8V/F74Xdg/wtmbCaZs76hNdP4j2PzNQY9N/csfBqB4 Sx9jo2WcXj3NakaYJNKv1ta9SsDA518uFDvr9NrwxXq9Spew3QwWdnykmZywV3YP7bsE kOtQdsanMeXcdMF2kiZ7936CglIGbR2rtMWT0DWLDK1JELwS1TyPpuSWmsHYVA3Uyj7b Rvyg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1342618387.64715.YahooMailNeo@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1342627561.37174.YahooMailClassic@web84513.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:57:44 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else? From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044401de270d6a04c520ea5e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:57:46 +0000 (UTC) --f46d044401de270d6a04c520ea5e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hippo for kick. Walrus for sub. > > Words to live by. Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos --f46d044401de270d6a04c520ea5e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hippo for kick. Walrus for sub.=A0


Words to live by.

Kevin

--
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the b= ody and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root c= ause of all trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org
Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/video= s
--f46d044401de270d6a04c520ea5e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 22:10:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF7AF183464; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:10:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_d086d029-5778-441c-932c-978b86049dbc_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: Some more looping with the Octatrack and guitar.. Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:10:32 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2012 22:10:32.0117 (UTC) FILETIME=[25D61650:01CD6532] Resent-Message-ID: <-25EMD.A.1oD.ZRzBQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:10:33 +0000 (UTC) --_d086d029-5778-441c-932c-978b86049dbc_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As you mght know the Elektron Octatrack is now a "proper" looper.. with the= addition of the "Pickup machine".. here I use two track with the Pickup ma= chine and two tracks that are set to replay stuff from one of the loop trac= ks on "flex" machine=2C that means that they are triggered with the sequenc= er and that it is possible to to more extrem playback effects.. (such as ha= ving a melody on the sequencer).A lot of effects on the two pickup machies = as well=2C phaser=2C distortion and filters.. FUN little box this Octatrack= ... http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/91point8bpm (Guitar is a brand new Soloway that has a Supro lapsteel pickup... ) = = --_d086d029-5778-441c-932c-978b86049dbc_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As you mght know the Elektron Octatrack is now a "proper" looper.. with the= addition of the "Pickup machine".. here I use two track with the Pickup ma= chine and two tracks that are set to replay stuff from one of the loop trac= ks on "flex" machine=2C that means that they are triggered with the sequenc= er and that it is possible to to more extrem playback effects.. (such as ha= ving a melody on the sequencer).
A lot of effects on the two pickup mac= hies as well=2C phaser=2C distortion and filters.. FUN little box this Octa= track...


(Guitar is a brand new Soloway that has a Supro l= apsteel pickup... )
= --_d086d029-5778-441c-932c-978b86049dbc_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 22:21:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 253BE183463; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:21:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=iRdUsal43Y2UJMtQlE2nn5xCIkLLQ53hiK2Noe5weWw=; b=HfTegwba+MimotwRLVnyKxk+UdxoumCsJ7GjT1xqZbTwUw9uhOWUUJhhW5TsUclHyP V4hEMsKg6rSSvL/g7ZyYt2ap2Sk+XWT5NOBKUEEycyDzNDSvtzZ6StnalnGuWte2EDqE YnqXwV3yw9Vn9B0CVm0oUslf7OFiJmWrXQt09MksJViDx/FvRTNixktr1kkKZocPvqCv h5dcaNvNfTaCzWPe8vrd/rzyFeZeGxSaq3mRM+RC7wu4/hKWsph3hke6l5cnq1lA0i7v oISu+2aSHukgTVioL5yvnaI4/5SBg5QAa2k4UZdDmUlpskh7EIJIkth9Xs+ZVqw9BTcv AMfA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 00:21:12 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Some more looping with the Octatrack and guitar.. From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <8UtOSC.A.t3D.YbzBQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:21:13 +0000 (UTC) Cool sounds there! Can the Octatrack send and receive digital audio through its USB port? (Contemplating the possibility to put it in a USB send/return loop to a Axe-FX2...) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:10 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: > As you mght know the Elektron Octatrack is now a "proper" looper.. with the > addition of the "Pickup machine".. here I use two track with the Pickup > machine and two tracks that are set to replay stuff from one of the loop > tracks on "flex" machine, that means that they are triggered with the > sequencer and that it is possible to to more extrem playback effects.. (such > as having a melody on the sequencer). > A lot of effects on the two pickup machies as well, phaser, distortion and > filters.. FUN little box this Octatrack... > > http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/91point8bpm > > (Guitar is a brand new Soloway that has a Supro lapsteel pickup... ) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 22:40:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65CC0183465; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:40:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=E+Y1ox0BaJ+Nsy20mft6V0Dy42+0++GRkqqM0etEb8g=; b=KD7cfZsjnRjFqoYdvWvNGUef1qaAkIo42kmM5eB1+Y9iioi+tfDNcYcBbrYk9urB/l C0CEL2DFtLmm5HHnD/SB1wrAU9Gyk8/py9tke6IEd162TBvURYmXNfp8tRd18MRDQqnh obZo9YHovEuQ7DxlcCi/hdttfyZYuPBwVGs0ZV3y7EjAMOeOxxvpe6/mI/i7d5kQUNH9 zDT8+Qn+lRJk0z/gKdiVaKOHuMBU4QqDBKYJTsA1CFwxivsp3B+o8TD0giA/wRN3M44D 8zo39N+Kk8SweM/xCXpnj45oDX/fKhjU9lIqV0/FJMtmr/VwUNnqCxUJ1Ncz9bb7jyTZ B2AQ== From: Matthias Grob Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_B49CAEAE-F584-4EC4-974D-31476D6E7136" Subject: Re: Roland PK-5, Ketron 9PEMK8, or else? (piezo impedance) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:40:46 -0300 In-Reply-To: <1342643822.89298.YahooMailNeo@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Loop List References: <1342641501.77186.YahooMailClassic@web84515.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1342643822.89298.YahooMailNeo@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:40:58 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_B49CAEAE-F584-4EC4-974D-31476D6E7136 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 the preamp is not for the volume but the linearity of the sound while the magnetic pickup are coils that have a high impedance in high = frequencies the piezo is a capacitor and such has a high impedance in low = frequencies so if you connect a magnetic pickup directly to a mic input (low = impedance) it sounds dull because the high frequencies get lost and a = piezo sound thin because the bass is lost if you connect a piezo to a high impedance (guitar) input, its ok. = depends on the size of the piezo as well, smaller ones rather need = higher impedance=20 On 18 Jul 2012, at 5:37 PM, bill bigrig wrote: > Don't forget, these peizo units work wonderfully on violins,(fiddles), = mandolins, violin-ukes, all sorts of metal clanky devices, and on and = on. They do not work real well on acoustic guitars because of the = difficulty of taping it on the instrument where it does not sound, = "boxy". At $2.79 each, they are a good value. Be careful not to disturb = the solder connection on the disk itself. Cut off and discard the blue = wire. You will see the obvious center connection, and the outer, = "shield" connection. I've been using them for 30 years now, and despite = some claims that a preamp is essential, (I think it comes from a = prominent peizo based pickup manufacturer), if you have an input gain = control such as that on a mixing board, you will find more than enough = output to do the job.=20 > Rig --Apple-Mail=_B49CAEAE-F584-4EC4-974D-31476D6E7136 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 the = preamp is not for the volume but the linearity of the sound
while = the magnetic pickup are coils that have a high impedance in high = frequencies
the piezo is a capacitor and such has a high = impedance in low frequencies
so if you connect a magnetic = pickup directly to a mic input (low impedance) it sounds dull because = the high frequencies get lost and a piezo sound thin because the = bass is lost

if you connect a piezo to a high = impedance (guitar) input, its ok. depends on the size of the piezo as = well, smaller ones rather need higher = impedance 

On 18 Jul 2012, at = 5:37 PM, bill bigrig wrote:

Don't = forget, these peizo units work wonderfully on violins,(fiddles), = mandolins, violin-ukes, all sorts of metal clanky devices, and on and = on. They do not work real well on acoustic guitars because of the = difficulty of taping it on the instrument where it does not sound, = "boxy". At $2.79 each, they are a good value. Be careful not to disturb = the solder connection on the disk itself. Cut off and discard the blue = wire. You will see the obvious center connection, and the outer, = "shield" connection. I've been using them for 30 years now, and despite = some claims that a preamp is essential, (I think it comes from a = prominent peizo based pickup manufacturer), if you have an input gain = control such as that on a mixing board, you will find more than enough = output to do the job.
Rig
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= --Apple-Mail=_B49CAEAE-F584-4EC4-974D-31476D6E7136-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 23:31:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FFEE18345B; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:31:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=VMYOWdyJiI8WBOAawKAolGR9E1On9Qa78i/iTGTPNwQ=; b=JqpxvBwvly53uGfr+1lqKoO5oCzIJaCMA3pZngpf0cEAQR8uCA2iVmcXIlwent3Qy1 vhjNjGv8XYoOTKd+lQq6NCV1VagEwrUhQHE7TyaPDTKSGF1RCGQObiRnbNaiDfdShOq7 hHMqZruUieb8z+/r/+cgdzjPj9go6YvrhJ6ttIAan9o29thU003JqRjQ1x1S7r/3z9kx U5UR0Ss/+s9aBtNf4ElqqRKtrvwYcoCiD3Ee8uVL0hGcaPxS6RAr3XZGZsp8OuuOA2PI A6mBMYVyUBiZuooonWmDwYz5OFETnEC9LOZJg1GzzUbKUmDp6f4THI3+i+s6d5IkmQMk 76rg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 16:31:02 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Some more looping with the Octatrack and guitar.. From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:31:03 +0000 (UTC) Nice! I've been keeping an eye on the Octatrack. Nice to see it's a fully fledged looper now. On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Cool sounds there! > > Can the Octatrack send and receive digital audio through its USB port? > (Contemplating the possibility to put it in a USB send/return loop to > a Axe-FX2...) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:10 AM, Anders Bergdahl > wrote: >> As you mght know the Elektron Octatrack is now a "proper" looper.. with the >> addition of the "Pickup machine".. here I use two track with the Pickup >> machine and two tracks that are set to replay stuff from one of the loop >> tracks on "flex" machine, that means that they are triggered with the >> sequencer and that it is possible to to more extrem playback effects.. (such >> as having a melody on the sequencer). >> A lot of effects on the two pickup machies as well, phaser, distortion and >> filters.. FUN little box this Octatrack... >> >> http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/91point8bpm >> >> (Guitar is a brand new Soloway that has a Supro lapsteel pickup... ) > -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 02:47:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 914D8183463; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 02:47:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Kemper Profilier Amp Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:47:21 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 02:47:29 +0000 (UTC) > so is it time now really to get rid of your amps and just clone > them with this thing? short answer, no., at least for moi' I've had an AXE FX II in my hands for the better part of 3 months. It sounds really really good, it feels really really good, its really really deep, and of course its really really expensive.I don't own it but if the person who lent it to me forgets I have it, I wouldn't mind. i agree they could have had a few more stomp box models, but with a galaxy of amazing pedals on the market how do you go about choosing which ones to clone? all of of the other effects are of excellent quality, but an early claim I heard that its DSP was equivalent of the processing power of an Eventide Eclipse seems like hyperbole. One of the things I have noticed is it sounds only as big as what you are using as monitors so a small pair of studio monitors might be a bit lacking but a nice pair of stage ore pa powered monitors might get you there, or you could get some of those atomic tube power driven cabinets like the Dweezils use. What i don't like about it and multi processors of this ilk is the sound doesn't quite move me in the way that some great pedals in front of a good tube amp does. I don't even now why that is but i suspect the digitally modeled sounds are more fatiguing to my ear. I know there's lots of people who like to get in there and program for hours on end but thats not me. I appreciate what the AXE FX can do but the degree with which you can tweak parameters and the number of options is staggering to the point of overkill form me. Give me a handful of stellar sounds and I'm set. > I was skeptical at first, but when I got my AF2, I quickly sold off > my Two Rocks and collection of tweed Fenders and late 60's > Marshalls. It's really like having a Pendulum, all the best electric > guitar amps you ever wanted plus a huge effects rack full of your > favorite TCs and Eventides etc. with great connectivity to PA, > powered speakers, DAWs. All I have in my rack right now is the AF2, > a couple EDPs and a mixer. I could not see parting with my vintage amps unless financial hardship forced me to and I don't know to what degree you play out, but those old tweed amps and marshall's will be running long after the AXE FX gets trumped by the next best thing. Two Rock's, well those are amps that will be vintage collectables in the future, but built even better than 50's-60's stuff.. I can understand the desire to go smaller, lighter more portable, less power, but not if the sound is as good or an improvement and I just don't want to pay for 50 different amps and speaker cabinets if I'm only going to uses 10. I'd like to see someone come out with a build your own library approach to this kind of hardware or software processor, along the lines of what UA does but so you could , for example buy a suite of vintage amps, or pick and choose which amp plugins to use and buy, same with effects... oh I'd like those tape delays and those overdrives please, no thanks I don't need a phaser. And the programming architecture would be simple and strait forward. I'd like to see a show of hands of AXE FX users, how many of you when dialing in an overdrive find they are dialing in which diode, tube or FET will be used in that overdrive, or change the bias on their amp model, or mis match an 8"champ speaker with Bogner Uberschall amp? That kind of parameter overkill drives me to distraction, and believe me I've spent some hours tweaking. this is where products like this fall short for me. So a profiling amp? hhhmmm is the plan to scour the country side to find cool amps that people will let you profile (hopefully in good working condition)? PSSSST hey mister you got an AC15 I could spend a few minutes with?This product seems designed for a pretty narrow demographic. I hope my sarcasm doesn't offend anyway, I'm a tube snob/brat what can I say? Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 06:57:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6D7C183463; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 06:57:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 361884.91747.bm@omp1023.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1342681019; bh=mZ8cMl5/iIgVpVO2McG5HReNo359V9uNgtCVg7u8VCc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GBxheKP5fbJ4hQ0XpJM4iG1Ur4YCpZ/88IUYSzLKdwRaClRO4R7o55MTLO94Qw7dR+Ss0l15GFdKfbjBkQsFrOx4QWZc4dCgbal2lp7KVjYI2wiDSClxbzGKR0b3TsQfjFomzoHOCYW/ye9CN3ZtwDkIEjx+esVe/Gxcm+mKmsc= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=I56qNSdlSetH9gNkwOp8fs+Kyx8Sg2iToctpiTjzqpH1VC6IykKBr9mF4UNL13VBT3nJiv7ytGFdLNfg6UJxxPm6ZHYETJSknDHTbtSh9M9ZXOSzmeS5VLePjiWcm/IGrUAyxaF3DG0yBgEvWhDVOB0jDUWhyP1AfTOg1wa8wmg=; X-YMail-OSG: Qkts1DgVM1lUlz_LEilqv.YAbPMDIueZ.ngYCAEioUmvzul 0SjqwfrLqy57UjNxfsC4ylNhFf1e.Iwp7hQSma4IrBRlJdW0RkiJpCHhYll. 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And the programming architecture would be simple and strait forwa= rd. I'd like to see a show of hands of AXE FX users, how many of you when d= ialing in an overdrive find they are dialing in which diode, tube or FET wi= ll be used in that overdrive, or change the bias on their amp model, or mis= match an 8"champ speaker with Bogner Uberschall amp? That kind of paramete= r overkill drives me to distraction, and believe me I've spent some hours t= weaking. this is where products like this fall short for me.=0ASo a profili= ng amp? hhhmmm is the plan to scour the country side to find cool amps that= people will let you profile (hopefully in good working condition)?=A0 PSSS= ST hey mister you got an AC15 I could spend a few minutes with?This product= seems designed for a pretty narrow demographic.=0AI hope my sarcasm doesn'= t offend anyway, I'm a tube snob/brat what can I say?=0ABill ---795196629-1312237961-1342681019=:19976 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 
http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
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From: Wi= lliam Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 4:47= AM
Subject: Re: Kempe= r Profilier Amp

Bill i vote for you as next president!
no more = phasers or choruses please give me a good Univibe instead!;-)
and for ch= rist sake lets go on the street for a demonstration for them to stop trying to give us ny= lon string simulations,what a waste of DSP!!
ive been really happy witho= ut rack FX proccessors,just using my M9 as Effector and the Ethos OD which = beats all those amps sims,im waiting for the Ethos 30 watt amp with FX loop= pedal,now thats a brilliant portable idea!
also with my rock n roll tri= o im back using the Koch tube amp with it small 12 cabinet and have no desi= re at the moment to be tweaking hundreds of endless parameters and as you s= ay Bill how many amp sims do you need live!
Thats the thing that demotiv= ated my about watching the profiler,certainly an insteresting idea for stud= ios but as a normal musician who are you going to go to to model their 1966= original amp???
the world has gotten so greedy that if you find somebod= y that has one hes gonna charge you more than what the kemper cost to let y= ou model his amp;-)
cheers
Luis


oh I'd like those tape delays and those overdrives please, no thanks I don't = need a phaser. And the programming architecture would be simple and strait = forward. I'd like to see a show of hands of AXE FX users, how many of you w= hen dialing in an overdrive find they are dialing in which diode, tube or F= ET will be used in that overdrive, or change the bias on their amp model, o= r mis match an 8"champ speaker with Bogner Uberschall amp? That kind of par= ameter overkill drives me to distraction, and believe me I've spent some ho= urs tweaking. this is where products like this fall short for me.
So a p= rofiling amp? hhhmmm is the plan to scour the country side to find cool amp= s that people will let you profile (hopefully in good working condition)?&n= bsp; PSSSST hey mister you got an AC15 I could spend a few minutes with?Thi= s product seems designed for a pretty narrow demographic.
I hope my sarc= asm doesn't offend anyway, I'm a tube snob/brat what can I say?
Bill



---795196629-1312237961-1342681019=:19976-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 08:27:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91416183464; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:27:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=OXJe50OpzFmuk79UFJD6pMkhg4NRrDyUv7jyFuaPBFM=; b=a7PPs3gyLw0wCXiFcBxGVWEN8MPJjSbdcHknO9KCEq1Ledo3N6aKWItlFcj+e28PFM Twv+UgJCuy6CWpAR53VlAJkvl4+yO1mifZ9dxNE7qgqCsYTTAeUVlX5iFd66N2d3D9KG t2r5lBlH2zYGj7eZJTvFHxAR/oUQhDpUHErPJ3EX+G5xS3G0BLLygpPD4eSZ7EKKlywJ ZTZXXZ7KaAtC6A889uzCDsIQBVdpMe49E3w3u2XOEzdhBvjqDSHlUYAg6Rhxz1Tk6ybW l4eroVpWd8qZgCVfw20aFZ/Gk7dJ8O0JAJ636NQdM1vnzWowGqfsXGcqLTDkx1NFCj5J 4g9g== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1342681019.19976.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1342681019.19976.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:27:24 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Kemper Profilier Amp From: Pawel Janowski To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b15ab1f9148ef04c52a8c75 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:27:25 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b15ab1f9148ef04c52a8c75 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, the Kemper lets you load third party profiles (and there is lots of them out there), so you do not need to ever do any profiling yourself. In theory you could also say 'I only need a Plexi, a Blues Deluxe, a Blackface Twin, and a Soldano SLO', find good profiles of these specific amps and play with only these. That's what appeals to me with the Kemper - I don't like having too many options and spending half of my playing time programming, so the Kemper would allow me to pick the small array of amp tones I want without being too limited to what the manufacturer decided to offer. Plus I don't want to part with my stompbox ODs, Fuzzes, and delays anyways, so not having so many of these effects built in kind of works for me as well. Whether I have =A31000 to spend on one is a different question of course ;) On 19 July 2012 07:56, Luis Angulo wrote: > > > http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > ------------------------------ > *From:* William Walker > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Sent:* Thursday, July 19, 2012 4:47 AM > *Subject:* Re: Kemper Profilier Amp > > Bill i vote for you as next president! > no more phasers or choruses please give me a good Univibe instead!;-) > and for christ sake lets go on the street for a demonstration for them to > stop trying to give us nylon string simulations,what a waste of DSP!! > ive been really happy without rack FX proccessors,just using my M9 as > Effector and the Ethos OD which beats all those amps sims,im waiting for > the Ethos 30 watt amp with FX loop pedal,now thats a brilliant portable > idea! > also with my rock n roll trio im back using the Koch tube amp with it > small 12 cabinet and have no desire at the moment to be tweaking hundreds > of endless parameters and as you say Bill how many amp sims do you need > live! > Thats the thing that demotivated my about watching the profiler,certainly > an insteresting idea for studios but as a normal musician who are you goi= ng > to go to to model their 1966 original amp??? > the world has gotten so greedy that if you find somebody that has one hes > gonna charge you more than what the kemper cost to let you model his amp;= -) > cheers > Luis > > > oh I'd like those tape delays and those overdrives please, no thanks I > don't need a phaser. And the programming architecture would be simple and > strait forward. I'd like to see a show of hands of AXE FX users, how many > of you when dialing in an overdrive find they are dialing in which diode, > tube or FET will be used in that overdrive, or change the bias on their a= mp > model, or mis match an 8"champ speaker with Bogner Uberschall amp? That > kind of parameter overkill drives me to distraction, and believe me I've > spent some hours tweaking. this is where products like this fall short fo= r > me. > So a profiling amp? hhhmmm is the plan to scour the country side to find > cool amps that people will let you profile (hopefully in good working > condition)? PSSSST hey mister you got an AC15 I could spend a few minute= s > with?This product seems designed for a pretty narrow demographic. > I hope my sarcasm doesn't offend anyway, I'm a tube snob/brat what can I > say? > Bill > > > > --047d7b15ab1f9148ef04c52a8c75 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, the Kemper lets you load third party profiles (and there is lots= of them out there), so you do not need to ever do any profiling yourself.= =A0In theory you could also=A0say 'I only need a Plexi, a Blues Deluxe,= a Blackface Twin, and a Soldano SLO', find good profiles of these spec= ific amps and play with only these.
=A0
That's what appeals to me with the Kemper - I don= 9;t like having too many options and spending half of my playing time=A0pro= gramming, so the Kemper would allow me to pick the small array of amp tones= I want without being too limited to what the manufacturer decided to offer= . Plus I don't want to part with my stompbox ODs, Fuzzes, and delays an= yways, so not having so many of these effects built in kind of works for me= as well.
=A0
Whether I have =A31000 to spend on one is a different qu= estion of course ;)

On 19 July 2012= 07:56, Luis Angulo <louie.angulo@yahoo.com> wrote:

=A0

From: William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>=
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-d= elight.com
Sent: Th= ursday, July 19, 2012 4:47 AM
Subject: Re: Kemper Profili= er Amp

Bill i vote for you as next president!
no more phasers o= r choruses please give me a good Univibe instead!;-)
and for christ sake= lets go on the street for a demonstration for them to stop trying to give us ny= lon string simulations,what a waste of DSP!!
ive been really happy witho= ut rack FX proccessors,just using my M9 as Effector and the Ethos OD which = beats all those amps sims,im waiting for the Ethos 30 watt amp with FX loop= pedal,now thats a brilliant portable idea!
also with my rock n roll trio im back using the Koch tube amp with it small= 12 cabinet and have no desire at the moment to be tweaking hundreds of end= less parameters and as you say Bill how many amp sims do you need live!
Thats the thing that demotivated my about watching the profiler,certainly a= n insteresting idea for studios but as a normal musician who are you going = to go to to model their 1966 original amp???
the world has gotten so gre= edy that if you find somebody that has one hes gonna charge you more than w= hat the kemper cost to let you model his amp;-)
cheers
Luis


oh I'd like those tape delays and those overdrives please, no thanks I do= n't need a phaser. And the programming architecture would be simple and= strait forward. I'd like to see a show of hands of AXE FX users, how m= any of you when dialing in an overdrive find they are dialing in which diod= e, tube or FET will be used in that overdrive, or change the bias on their = amp model, or mis match an 8"champ speaker with Bogner Uberschall amp?= That kind of parameter overkill drives me to distraction, and believe me I= 've spent some hours tweaking. this is where products like this fall sh= ort for me.
So a profiling amp? hhhmmm is the plan to scour the country side to find co= ol amps that people will let you profile (hopefully in good working conditi= on)?=A0 PSSSST hey mister you got an AC15 I could spend a few minutes with?= This product seems designed for a pretty narrow demographic.
I hope my sarcasm doesn't offend anyway, I'm a tube snob/brat what = can I say?
Bill



<= br> --047d7b15ab1f9148ef04c52a8c75-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 09:18:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B79018345B; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:18:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gSf3rCvBeO0KDqa+SFtBSUjkk20Ul8xVilZ1LN0gGT0=; b=l6om++Uy6zxTnPlH9QR+2GM8+27UgxAuxhL0PIxRrT0G5Xbg9aaMj0MN4f2G4LgJZ/ sGNd57db+lxSHHKGJLGU1LXAcuY9XuDiFVkhMFxZqpQijMYDAFI9mykkt2cn6R53U7sr 7aiF20vtcjZO7m27dLTXGU2ud1SYnKQSmdLEm2gTKej7e3T7pm+0uOQDXCC7VZlXBfZW qQrOoPDgzGSymyLiGO4sZCdMpCGOGMsPEArwJmkql6p/c3NcKWAwy/hepOlYkT2gsQXf aE6H/OwL/j2r/+VGYW7x0jL8jUO9PngcL477Ry4bheOgqCrKRXKKcwZCqRazOE7pErO+ QuNg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1342681019.19976.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:18:50 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Kemper Profilier Amp From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:18:52 +0000 (UTC) Just in case someone is interested I'm pasting in today's press release from Kempfer, totally On-Topic. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen Press Information =E2=80=93 for immediate release Kemper Amps release new Amp Profiles and FX Firmware 1.1 with a set of new FX and Amp Profiles for the Kemper Profiling Amplifer Kemper Amps/ Recklinghausen, Germany - July 19th, 2012 (ictw) =E2=80=93 Tod= ay, Kemper Amps have released the brand new Software Version 1.1 for the Kemper Profiling Amplifier. This mandatory update includes a set of brand new Lo-Fi FX, and a collection of 50 additional Amp Profiles carefully collected from a range of guitar players with outstanding amp set-ups. Since its release in December 2011, the Kemper Profiling Amplifier has found its way into the recording studios and live rigs of internationally renowned producers and guitarists. The possibility to take the unique sound of your own, personal amp rig into any studio, as well as on tour, has opened up a whole new world of possibilities to guitarists. Some examples: Steven Wilson toured South America with his =E2=80=9CGrace F= or Drowning=E2=80=9D project, and his fellow guitar Player, Niko Tsonev, playe= d the Kemper Profiling Amp through whatever amp was provided for him at the very diverse venues. He said he loved the sonic consistency, which can be heard on the Blu-ray/DVD available later in 2012. Legendary German Rock Act =E2=80=9CDie Toten Hosen=E2=80=9D (celebrating th= eir 30th anniversary with a #1 album this year) played to a crowd of 80,000 at Rock am Ring, with 3 Kemper Profiling Amps feeding the guitar and bass rigs. Producer Andy Sneap and guitarist Wolf Hoffmann used the =E2=80=9CProfiler=E2=80=9D on the successful new ACCEPT Album =E2=80=9CStal= ingrad=E2=80=9D. Andy Sneap also did some extensive reamping with the KPA during the recording sessions for the current Testament album. Steve Lukather has been spotted with the Kemper Profiling Amplifier while talking about his upcoming solo album, and Steve Morse has already integrated the Profiler into his studio. The current Marilyn Manson record =E2=80=9CBorn Villain=E2=80=9D features some Profiler tracks, guitar legend and acclaimed =E2=80=9Ctexturalist=E2=80=9D, David Torn, plays and loves the Kemper, coun= try music megastars Tim McGraw and Kenny Chesney are both touring stadiums this summer, with guitarist Dennis Hemmingson playing the Profiler. There are several major tours and productions in the pipeline that we cannot talk about yet - keep your eyes peeled at www.kemper-amps.com for details as soon as they become available! The new Amp Profile set: The profiles were all done by the Kemper Profiler Team which consists of Manfred Franzkowiak, Markus Wienstroer and Sound engineer Dirk Baldringer. All the profiles were taken at Dirk Baldringer=E2=80=99s Studio 25, where they worked tirelessly to create the best possible profiles with that "3D-like" feeling. The team is delighted with the results and excited that these profiles are now available to the public. Some of the highlights are: Mountain Amp / Vancouver Canada, claimed to be the worlds best 9V amp. 6 1/2 heavy duty Eminence speaker. Blackface Bassman from 1965 modded by Siggi Mehl / 2x12 Celestion Black Shadow speaker Vox AC 15 from 1975 modded by Siggi Mehl / 1x12 original CTS ( Chicago Telephone Supply ) speaker. Dead Vox AC 15 / the amp died during the session, we profiled that very moment, sounds like the Fuzz you can=E2=80=98t buy, very early Zeppeli= n style. Selmer Zodiac Twin Fifty Truevoice / Crocodile period from 1963-64 with =E2=80=9E Magic Eye =E2=80=9E and original Goodman speakers Siggi Mehl Amp 2 / 50 Watt version completely handbuilt by Amp designer Siggi Mehlwith 4x12 Marshall Cab, loaded with 1976 Celestion blackbacks. Siggi Mehl Amp 2 with Baldringer Dual Drive Pedal,handbuilt by Dirk Baldringerwith 4x12 Marshall Cab, loaded with 1976 Celestion blackbacks. VAC 25 version 1 Valvetech USA handmade amp, free point to point wiring,Celestion H30 Anniversary speaker Also some special Rigs by Bill Ruppert include: Marshall Studio 15 4x12 Roland Jazzchorus Octavia Jimi 1 Surf=E2=80=98s Up Kemper Banjo Kay Model 703 from 1962 Germanium Fuzz Danelectro Twin from 1962 The new Amp Profiles as well as the new FX set come free of charge with the Kemper Profiling Amp and can also be found in the download section on the webiste: www.kemper-amps.com The Lo-Fi FX Set The Lofi update for the Kemper Profiling Amplifier brings eight new and unusual effects that, up until now, were mostly found only in synthesizers or plugins. The effects are: Rate Reducer, Ring Modulator, Frequency Shifter, Recti Shaper, Bit Shaper, Soft Shaper, Hard Shaper and Wave Shaper. All new effects are available in the 'Stomps' as well as in the 'Effects' section. Due to their non-linear character, the results of placing them pre-amp or post-amp can be significantly different. The Rate Reducer, Ring Modulator and Frequency Shifter expand the pedal-controlled effects (orange LED), and can be modified with an expression pedal or by an envelope follower (touch mode). Recti Shaper, Bit Shaper, Soft Shaper, Hard Shaper and Wave Shaper belong to the drive effects section (red LED). Here is an overview: Rate Reducer This effect reduces the sampling rate of the audio signal passing through and results in a raspy, scratchy tone with aliasing. The 'Peak' parameter continuously controls the quality of the sample rate interpolation, which alters the harmonic content drastically. Ring Modulator The signal is modulated by a sine oscillator. Lower settings produce a tremolo-like effect, whereas higher settings bend the complete harmonic structure of the instrument into a bell-like character by shifting every frequency component either upwards (sum frequency) or downwards (difference frequency). The 'Stereo' parameter divides the sum and difference frequencies into the left and right channel. The bipolar nature of the 'Manual' parameter can now be used to reverse the stereo panorama. Frequency Shifter The frequency shifter can be thought of as a 'deluxe' ring modulator. Even today, only a handful of frequency shifters exist in the digital domain. It is as useful for creating beautiful, subtle harmonic deviations as it is in producing high-pitched, clangourous noise. Like the ring modulator, it uses a sine wave to modulate the signal, but in such a way as to produce only the 'sum' or 'difference' frequencies of the two signals. In contrast to a pitch shifter, which preserves the dependencies of the harmonics, the frequency shifter bends these dependencies, resulting in a bell-like spectrum. It's not unlike a shortwave radio that hasn't been tuned correctly. Recti Shaper The Recti Shaper behaves like a physical rectifier, by folding the negative half-cycle into the positive portion of a wave. The intensity of the effect is controlled by 'Drive'. This effect is best known from octave fuzzes, which work by combining a rectifier with distortion. The Recti Shaper provides just the rectifier part combine it with other effects and distortions as you see fit. Bit Shaper The Bit Shaper continuously reduces the bit depth of a signal, with higher 'Drive' settings resulting in fewer available bits. The effect can be described as introducing a fizzy distortion, with a choking of the signal at high settings. The signal can even break off completely at the most extreme settings. Soft Shaper, Hard Shaper and Wave Shaper These are distortion effects, with a unique character, that probably never existed in the analog realm. They are especially destructive when playing double-stops or chords. The Kemper Profiling Amplifier The Kemper Profiling Amplifier represents a radical new approach to guitar sound. For decades, the electric guitarist has effectively been shackled to the tube amplifier as the only solution for getting =E2=80=9Cth= at sound=E2=80=9D. This combination may indeed be glorious, but it is far from ideal; achieving consistent results between practice, studio, and touring situations continues to challenge the guitarist, just as it has since the early 1930's. With the advent of the Kemper Profiling Amplifier, everything has changed. For the first time in history, you are free to create the most unique and individual tones that reflect the very essence of you as a player, and then capture these exact sounds into the digital domain with Kemper's patented technology. Company Contact: www.kemper-amps.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 09:40:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 283BB183463; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:40:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=kiak7w44Ck4B0GKeAJz9xNq6lcx2zOLRlt41t5Z3sAU=; b=KuK70qrRj0jA/6bLkm5ERMykM/7+6+pvwBO4YuDzwM34dpo8xQPeouRC/aoGz1ZZsP GiHED2qj+Pi1JCtv0BZ+hjg4Fage1Irv9JCeNyfiiBzkz2w4vrjPUBxIWAexoi9K4QZT jVMrvDcS67pVv0k2SGrcnQhAY845F987+b6jQOgjj5kqMxosHihrF5pTCrcUiRumJ+aN qIgkUs5DfhAL7l2/u2avukGWwmMbgvuZiRKyVags4GTA2kJOylJ/vWlKY57DOUzDRf8f By9h35K1B/5BPMNn/vfFv7mL4AoMOSE8EE6J3u0GKIifWXa64XC/4N458AOgcinz7c0X aP2A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <1342681019.19976.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 10:40:30 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Kemper Profilier Amp From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:40:32 +0000 (UTC) i'm an axe fx user. have been for several years. first the ultra and now the II. of course it only sounds as good as the monitors/speakers you're playing it through. i now use two 10" RCF's and it sounds amazing to me. having so much flexibility all in one 2u box has been a godsend. i can create all my ambient textures in it and still use the same box for my covers band. i also love tweaking, but only go as far as i need to. there are still many parameters in the amp block which are a mystery to me. i just leave them set at default. for me, it works. it reduced my 12u rack down to 2u and a laptop and four 1x12 cabs down to two 10" speakers. for someone with early onset arthritis, that's very very good. yes, it's complicated, but that also translates into choice. once you've learned your way around, you figure out what you need to tweak and what you can leave alone. using the computer editor makes creating and editing patches a breeze. no, it's not for everybody and statements like these do make me laugh sometimes... "I just don't want to pay for 50 different amps and speaker cabinets if I'm only going to uses 10"....and...."That kind of parameter overkill drives me to distraction, and believe me I've spent some hours tweaking. this is where products like this fall short for me." there was a time when digital modelling was a bit of a joke in the guitar community. it just sounded so bad compared to the real thing. that time has passed. now you just choose the product that's right for you. there is no right or wrong...it just comes down to personal preference. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 10:02:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2588D183463; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 10:02:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=y4hZoHW5PMPl0UfAabk32Zb/Mq0F/YMfjxzAVIXivco=; b=kFZ9ph22UiijJlX33Fb489lNJr9+B7epjWPmiRO6aOtTqBY6O+YtD0cfe1FyqLTX+J kBC6qtfJk0bSrZPimYH8yy8mzpzjVih2KRLY9qExoxDF7Hk6wnt5kBSNSEp6XUr6K8wj OEuRY8bBdHXLi2aWVxqpzjsht3slL8PXnFPD5+Q3Zbroct6VcY0eKifA3KbJ91s14rk3 e+iZKPIHAwVPWyO7VNI7LlIbpSAwsCw6jTi+Q6g+Zl7o1En48pDezf7P4ylAee1obezC nBA52r2Llt3fKafzEcWtRW0dubRSPhMkxNeID+/kFuzSGxU8wxyl4ugb2D9RiYrEdbfQ wMww== MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <1342681019.19976.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:02:25 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Kemper Profilier Amp From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <5OkS6.A.0v.ys9BQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 10:02:26 +0000 (UTC) cliff posted this clip. one half is the real amp, the other is the axe fx. just in case there was still any doubt about the accuracy of digital models - http://www.fractalaudio.com/tmp/sherbert2plus.mp3 - it's channel 2 of the diezel herbert...an amp head that costs more than the axe fx. On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Simeon Harris wrote: > there was a time when digital modelling was a bit of a joke in the > guitar community. it just sounded so bad compared to the real thing. > that time has passed. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 10:35:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35744183464; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 10:35:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=BYz55/ElUgWCj3yw+faArh+3LQA77Enz44JpY/LSubw=; b=C1KNgM+CKj+uGuBkM1eTmrw7B7fUCBW17OCNOE0WnEq+uL5/P9E4MfpK97SlZr49nI vbtgrHcgIpOFt84mzotZB6tGwCClhlhe7u0JGvoG39W+xnImK4o9E0Gy1X6+9nTJWAZu R/2O9cazmXreIcAG37PBjawvirY+nQu1oW2egCGIRKKmbE5PDyNz/aCpVQHoZGopt0RN zAoAUROCkjb0VphERqpFO0edsfEAlpy51lLR5oEITv88VLn879YpLKaYJbIrIy3c0EZ9 5zPMZhHdlLi0lZg+KxRpGQq5rFPPanDH4n+cOkTdJxoZhqIKIukYL5Yn3oreDeNUYh3m xyAw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1342681019.19976.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 12:35:51 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Kemper Profilier Amp From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 10:35:52 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Simeon Harris wrote: > cliff posted this clip. one half is the real amp, the other is the axe > fx. just in case there was still any doubt about the accuracy of > digital models - http://www.fractalaudio.com/tmp/sherbert2plus.mp3 - > it's channel 2 of the diezel herbert...an amp head that costs more > than the axe fx. Interesting! Both are good IMHO. But not the same - I guess that was not the point of that example? When producing recordings a difference as big as between those two examples can be crucial. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 10:48:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 214A6183464; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 10:48:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=lyfs6uQPzMsM7I/l/hq1la6kjk6hTTl4WC7e8tRfphE=; b=Sn7p/9dICYDyy4/Eb4ubuCkwgRbzroVt0Ne0X3kG8ab1XiQbxBYgvPLRL89zBaz4R/ W8sm4IDZ286Orre5RIUn+bdcXUJzzilEsBJ40L4DwSmu9+8tKWR3ckc42KS+FiTLWe4K JtA2OmA2dVx9CvWzns7QB4G44FyIqkhu0GPzh9jhUxrkdS2ANhr2weYHIVs+KDdUt+9m RkrUiS7CifAMOOL6fZ3GWapBS0whoQBw8q2JK/h7kLoGQ/1HN71P9u/ZrGKpMsn04vvr 6DBL6XRniaakOPl/fe6J0jx2TOTl0nwxkIBneyorps+YX0CVmVngfxVqCQ/h0MzZyVYc hmFA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <1342681019.19976.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:48:45 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Kemper Profilier Amp From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <8VhGl.A.OJB.OY-BQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 10:48:47 +0000 (UTC) well the differences aren't that big, per, let's be honest. if you recorded that tone, you'd need to eq it to fit in a mix anyway...real amp or not. and can you tell which one was the real amp? On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Interesting! Both are good IMHO. But not the same - I guess that was > not the point of that example? When producing recordings a difference > as big as between those two examples can be crucial. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 11:16:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C33B183463; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:16:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_552bac4b-d5ed-4aed-8841-b3500de3d72e_" X-Originating-IP: [86.153.221.83] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: Boomerang 3 midi sync Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:16:15 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2012 11:16:16.0297 (UTC) FILETIME=[E9F51190:01CD659F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:16:17 +0000 (UTC) --_552bac4b-d5ed-4aed-8841-b3500de3d72e_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just had an email from Mike Nelson of Boomerang. Apparently MIDI sync is wo= rking but they are adding enhancements before releasing it :-)No plans for = instant stack mode though :-( Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk = --_552bac4b-d5ed-4aed-8841-b3500de3d72e_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just had an email from Mike Nelson of Boomerang. Apparently MIDI sync is wo= rking but they are adding enhancements before releasing it :-)
No plans= for instant stack mode though :-(

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: = garethwhittock.co= .uk

= --_552bac4b-d5ed-4aed-8841-b3500de3d72e_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 11:47:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14874183464; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:47:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=t9wJt0kgw521WFpZ1FcJMEVIHqpp47NWQeMdwm6tCjQ=; b=oXcRsv+ON9otB0A9C5UytkOi7yLoF2DMWHwThteU96AKONqVAwdzMkq5BTUeB8mz83 WKUoN+On1rdoIHQq92ZXrrzg0NdjSjW8uCGb/LxapsyIWDcrEhcpYOmg0bAH7ykZpDQm ahZeIc+1oZIYvqtR8m4kfB6s7uwh8vtHQSuBUS2PF4/f5oBFWenscet+J3y5RifnZG+z NNOY5oqGYgW+XzKzie3dUYoa16sTkZBR42fzHgwE+SqGXATJGQtQkvEnGllmfFEN19u2 DaYOQWElBSGO5CNSAA3M0JUGmWkaBvMZ5zh07/rFapBmw5KgWzUaYlVh9x6nDd0nk7Dp 8+wQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1342681019.19976.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 13:47:41 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Kemper Profilier Amp From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:47:41 +0000 (UTC) No. But I can't tell wich one is the un-real amp either. So what's the point? "Both are good" ;-) No matter applying EQ during mixing, I would definitely regard them as two different sounds from wich I would pick the one that best matches the needed source sound for the current music. But that's "studio talk" and I assume this whole thread is is about the live performing aspect, making my point a bit OT. Per On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Simeon Harris wrote: > well the differences aren't that big, per, let's be honest. if you > recorded that tone, you'd need to eq it to fit in a mix anyway...real > amp or not. and can you tell which one was the real amp? > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> Interesting! Both are good IMHO. But not the same - I guess that was >> not the point of that example? When producing recordings a difference >> as big as between those two examples can be crucial. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 12:13:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C025183465; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 12:13:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=JWhUbZN2LsSIMzpy385KqCrSKjz9GLPB+SbVDoysK58=; b=KLQ8DmATleghvUWPGuD/S83eG9WKPcVIHxLX2/23xEPgBh+3zMNUvgUSLWBVXWLhYt Qviqpe8KnebqEBf6rFeewK0q38SCWR3uBxeDhdc/0BIe5CotqOz7QWnYG+zQaj6dVdLU 4EoqybzYAF0l8nJ7DZz4T9ekXDVwN5jUPhwPfDFSVbjdzAkedOUA/6WgcEQ7QQAl3spz /cv5tkNZsw7jSPVjQu4uE8tCY5RNYL1qc66mLLayL9XJ+u00mbfA7Ufl3Vb5iI7NfT5b rvGf2n/kDo6EBM2o9B42EAhKVdo4+W5gXigNpnzuMxaXpwwPP9xDJz3jhJbHBv8JCDfi d5Hg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <1342681019.19976.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 13:13:22 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Kemper Profilier Amp From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 12:13:23 +0000 (UTC) well that was the point really. it was just to demonstrate how far modelling has come. On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > No. But I can't tell wich one is the un-real amp either. So what's the > point? "Both are good" ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 12:38:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EB3D18345C; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 12:38:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_6b2d81f4-4267-405e-8a08-221cefd4d0d6_" X-Originating-IP: [86.153.221.83] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Kemper Profilier Amp Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 12:38:51 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,<1342681019.19976.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>,,,,,,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2012 12:38:52.0210 (UTC) FILETIME=[73E96120:01CD65AB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 12:38:53 +0000 (UTC) --_6b2d81f4-4267-405e-8a08-221cefd4d0d6_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Simeon=2C is your laptop just for looping then? What sort of foot control a= re you using? Personally I think the more options for customising your soun= d=2C the better. The choice is there but no-one forces you to do it. peace=2C g Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > Date: Thu=2C 19 Jul 2012 13:13:22 +0100 > Subject: Re: Kemper Profilier Amp > From: simeonharris40@googlemail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > well that was the point really. it was just to demonstrate how far > modelling has come. >=20 > On Thu=2C Jul 19=2C 2012 at 12:47 PM=2C Per Boysen = wrote: > > No. But I can't tell wich one is the un-real amp either. So what's the > > point? "Both are good" =3B-) >=20 = --_6b2d81f4-4267-405e-8a08-221cefd4d0d6_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Simeon=2C is your laptop just for looping then? What sort of foot control a= re you using? Personally I think the more options for customising your soun= d=2C the better. The choice is there but no-one forces you to do it.
peace=2C

g

Gareth Whittock=2C = sound artist: gar= ethwhittock.co.uk

>= =3B Date: Thu=2C 19 Jul 2012 13:13:22 +0100
>=3B Subject: Re: Kemper P= rofilier Amp
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>=3B To: Lo= opers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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>=3B well that was the po= int really. it was just to demonstrate how far
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>=3B >=3B point? = "Both are good" =3B-)
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= --_6b2d81f4-4267-405e-8a08-221cefd4d0d6_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 12:45:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1482E183465; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 12:45:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=LUhbFgYcuCg1v5ZdEGCh1L+E/V74loyLx8VuZivT67Q=; b=GQeMTeKF2MIQi76smxpNsAv4zBRLKsMBxYRuOafmXAMA36jYmohAuhWUYPGPo60Nfi i8zWxGujJmOsIA5a6qZlL/1ChJxlo7XTQrk6rK1IUL8HI83HaZnG/0V4mY3C5+7B8unz AplnNiNPnSTUJE2oKl+QkBA3+iZ5EXxrsrA4G+bGsWjUEbdfVZZDR9ppdLHyI/4nUawc USOiDTYcMR19pU3vrkATrz7TEbm5XIpqwFmQck4ZAgiZedG54FNDgFTLL1kwF83SEFrz BZnBp0B14O1Dr6FBBmZDpJ6zrg83PLnM/AW5rglxDUPM9YOViV8kC7fi8sLupOAPdxMQ oUlA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <1342681019.19976.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 13:45:03 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Kemper Profilier Amp From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 12:45:04 +0000 (UTC) yes, the laptop is just for looping. i use mobius, augustus looper and crossfade loop synth hosted in ableton with various plugins for post-loop treatment. i use two pedalboards - a yamaha mfc10 for selecting sounds on the axe fx and a nobels mf-1 for controlling mobius. i also have a novation remote zero sl, which has lots of faders and knobs on it for switching stuff on and off within the ableton layout. On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > Simeon, is your laptop just for looping then? What sort of foot control are > you using? Personally I think the more options for customising your sound, > the better. The choice is there but no-one forces you to do it. > > peace, > > g > > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > >> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 13:13:22 +0100 > >> Subject: Re: Kemper Profilier Amp >> From: simeonharris40@googlemail.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> >> well that was the point really. it was just to demonstrate how far >> modelling has come. >> >> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> > No. But I can't tell wich one is the un-real amp either. So what's the >> > point? "Both are good" ;-) >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 13:17:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16275183464; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 13:17:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Mnr/S+D/MNSyL1R5Zkhfa+29RKn9kR1xVEBNNdTB71Q=; b=fN1m/mIEeZlUu7PkuR9iQs1/F+6k/FYuQCOj69ZoHnvnJRM7VACG/SyJFqKyWGcDnJ HM0yHmbca2OMOMm2XdMPwknEBS9p/VWO9goJwdgUzplpjCjLe2Vo2rbgyHFCf+x6UCxA Izo4QCtIiUn5cWZkdEbnOCTRkkmzYBZy+YYra8J11c1jYyESNd9Zr+ZrvrmdCHHHjxxN DCbgDISerjVZw0UZgSuTDziiORfcd14TtZ6YV/U0I0Gyow1emGuvs9dnoyFCkEcneYFE HN+N7knPwtARQAoapxvIU9JDUthc9xkNFuDi+6S1HO3d/f3o+/mcLr3wAZ/gX7leILgl kkDw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1342681019.19976.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:17:15 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Kemper Profilier Amp From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <6b62qD.A.xoC.cjACQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 13:17:16 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Simeon Harris wrote: > yes, the laptop is just for looping An Axe-Fx2 with a looper laptop in a USB send/return loop seems to be a nice rig. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 14:56:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FB26183462; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:56:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=l7LcBMgoixKAEU5QfGYlxJAbuNmfIIfHOa2713rgCeQ=; b=htmU4O5uQ79Yd5wG7+qABJvWvp1CFmfp3P1vo3QkMPqMXrFk6MmxEIZ5B29iqFuta2 t3kMa7z0u0Di700/V+GxOgGQttWmVWzGkyHVOEStM+Y3liJeCi4bGUrrHOnjQDjK+t8T 0exrAm6A/Qb/qe+UGCtfi6ozOQs5WjGkDzM8luk7DkqVYuvIqbqJdYVPKgmY83AS6gKD 3/nkbjfhYZh0O0AttxMK6ssE5avYw3vHbgTIaGSLP/ZS1EQaiNpAF2/DTWo4bvmxz43z ZxDE/Zymi8ewv9uWT3haP2rdtEytRuEIr7ZHM3zpZqWL4jiz9upAxRMNrC6A9rrWCNLw ruMw== MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mike Fugazzi Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:56:02 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: iPad for Live Looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4efe34eca14b4b04c52ffb19 Resent-Message-ID: <3lXAqD.A.jgD.XACCQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:56:24 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4efe34eca14b4b04c52ffb19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I use a Boomerang III. I love that I can set a master loop and then create loops around that. For example, I can set a one bar beatbox riff and then add three other loops of different lengths. Is there something for iPad that would work similarily? Someone pointed out Loopy as an app that I might like. I want to do stuff like this (my rig is a Line 6 M13 into the Boomerang and then into a Tech 21 Sans amp) live. I thought maybe the iPad would make a good travel looper or give me "better" options/flexibility. Thanks! ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas --e0cb4efe34eca14b4b04c52ffb19 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I use a Boomerang III.=A0 I love that I can set a master loop and then crea= te loops around that.=A0 For example, I can set a one bar beatbox riff and = then add three other loops of different lengths.=A0 Is there something for = iPad that would work similarily?=A0 Someone pointed out Loopy as an app tha= t I might like.

I want to do stuff like this (my rig is a Line 6 M13 into the Boomerang= and then into a Tech 21 Sans amp) live.=A0 I thought maybe the iPad would = make a good travel looper or give me "better" options/flexibility= .=A0 Thanks!
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Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas

--e0cb4efe34eca14b4b04c52ffb19-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 15:20:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 022CE183462; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:20:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 641 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:20:51 UTC From: Tristan Zand Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_E1E9E919-709A-4C43-8C41-C0C7BC2FA191" Subject: Re: iPad for Live Looping? Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:10:06 +0200 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-Id: <007A7549-88E1-445E-AD7D-2A37C2BE640F@zzz.ch> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: <4mWSpD.A.rvD.TXCCQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:20:51 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_E1E9E919-709A-4C43-8C41-C0C7BC2FA191 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 There is also the Loopr Live Loop Composer that should be coming out = soon, you might want to check it out then: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D69Yc_vNb1aE Cheers On 19 juil. 2012, at 16:56, Mike Fugazzi wrote: > I use a Boomerang III. I love that I can set a master loop and then = create loops around that. For example, I can set a one bar beatbox riff = and then add three other loops of different lengths. Is there something = for iPad that would work similarily? Someone pointed out Loopy as an = app that I might like. >=20 > I want to do stuff like this (my rig is a Line 6 M13 into the = Boomerang and then into a Tech 21 Sans amp) live. I thought maybe the = iPad would make a good travel looper or give me "better" = options/flexibility. Thanks! > ---------- > Mike Fugazzi > vocals/harmonica > http://www.mikefugazzi.com > Facebook > YouTube > Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_E1E9E919-709A-4C43-8C41-C0C7BC2FA191 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 There is also the Loopr Live Loop Composer that should be coming out soon, you might want to check it out then:
Cheers

On 19 juil. 2012, at 16:56, Mike Fugazzi wrote:

I use a Boomerang III.  I love that I can set a master loop and then create loops around that.  For example, I can set a one bar beatbox riff and then add three other loops of different lengths.  Is there something for iPad that would work similarily?  Someone pointed out Loopy as an app that I might like.

I want to do stuff like this (my rig is a Line 6 M13 into the Boomerang and then into a Tech 21 Sans amp) live.  I thought maybe the iPad would make a good travel looper or give me "better" options/flexibility.  Thanks!
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTube
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas


--Apple-Mail=_E1E9E919-709A-4C43-8C41-C0C7BC2FA191-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 16:06:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38604183462; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:06:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ZpSqlqbKTVJG0C/h4u6ENF3FYyhn+f+8svppqWkCsd6SA1ZejAkDrwXuTcMZ4jX+; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 12:06:26 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: iPad for Live Looping? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-869408498==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7935e3613c50eafd3c73be13022f5fea69350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: <258JvD.A.uSE.PCDCQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:06:40 +0000 (UTC) --============_-869408498==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" There is a -new- Loopy app called Loopy HD that allows 12 loops, synched or unsynched and has the lowest latency of any audio app I've measured. http://loopyapp.com/features >I use a Boomerang III. I love that I can set a master loop and then >create loops around that. For example, I can set a one bar beatbox >riff and then add three other loops of different lengths. Is there >something for iPad that would work similarily? Someone pointed out >Loopy as an app that I might like. > >I want to do stuff like this (my rig is a Line 6 M13 into the >Boomerang and then into a Tech 21 Sans amp) live. I thought maybe >the iPad would make a good travel looper or give me "better" >options/flexibility. Thanks! >---------- >Mike Fugazzi >vocals/harmonica >http://www.mikefugazzi.com >Facebook >YouTube >Quicksilver >Custom Harmonicas -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix --============_-869408498==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: iPad for Live Looping?
There is a -new-  Loopy app called Loopy HD that allows 12 loops, synched or unsynched and has the lowest latency of any audio app I've measured.

http://loopyapp.com/features

I use a Boomerang III.  I love that I can set a master loop and then create loops around that.  For example, I can set a one bar beatbox riff and then add three other loops of different lengths.  Is there something for iPad that would work similarily?  Someone pointed out Loopy as an app that I might like.

I want to do stuff like this (my rig is a Line 6 M13 into the Boomerang and then into a Tech 21 Sans amp) live.  I thought maybe the iPad would make a good travel looper or give me "better" options/flexibility.  Thanks!
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTube
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas


-- 

...
http://www.zmix.net

http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky

http://albumcredits.com/zmix
--============_-869408498==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 16:57:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8669518345D; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:57:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 793531502/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.70.114.232/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.70.114.232 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAAI8CFBPRnLo/2dsb2JhbAANOLxrAQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBswCTX49AgxwDmwqNIw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,616,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="793531502" Message-ID: <50083C5F.1010108@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:57:03 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP beatsync and brothersync References: <4FD4A7F8.9010708@tiscali.co.uk> <18529826-7CEC-463E-A20C-47C7D871B596@gmail.com> <4FD4DEC4.9000707@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:57:18 +0000 (UTC) Philip wrote: > Sorry to revive this. > > I've still been having trouble doing this (so I have a click from the machine going into both EDP1 and EDP2). > > When I click a button on the Foot Controller, only one of them responds to the command. Need to connect midi out of EDP1 to midi In of EDP2. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 17:05:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 152B6183463; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:05:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=J+HWnB//KD4pl4z6hPucQD7MeELMW/aHIWc4eYNvWDw=; b=G9YJvtj02frikan3pm8AXzNpF2WFUPq9Sfm0Y6LM5l48jE7qlD3ENCEzDkClPh//50 krwIHQSYUTsyeC7LpTdmSVOWOr6FfeTwLcBZ5FLsPfbefv0bxzkmC88vRAZAlOlBFSdp LUJotUkq0/BBfJi6owFX13djuTnWm1xHZ4JCiFoBd7ZnaWJFxlg6OT9rdCO6rSk7HeoA ThzENMd/vzDmAMsYULMOOsGK+QeEEF4mtg8liaS6Ym/hdBqznzoe8q4l1Hp+a69nW3uT jCIMsYNDahqpv1oaq3flhmN9A8IAwlTPmRF+uB1rCki2W7Si8MKpiD2FqYUfOrqkyckD z0lg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: Mike Fugazzi Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 12:05:29 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: iPad for Live Looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9d7171a8ff14404c531caa7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:05:50 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9d7171a8ff14404c531caa7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Will it work in place of the Boomerang live? Would it be easy to plug my board into? I am not sure how connecting my pedal board to an iPad even works. I just got it and am realizing I could cut back on hauling other gear...maybe. I tried searching Google, etc, but without much luck. I love the Boomerang, but also see how an iPad might even do more for me with or without midi. ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Charles Zwicky wrote: > ** > There is a -new- Loopy app called Loopy HD that allows 12 loops, synched > or unsynched and has the lowest latency of any audio app I've measured. > > http://loopyapp.com/features > > I use a Boomerang III. I love that I can set a master loop and then > create loops around that. For example, I can set a one bar beatbox riff > and then add three other loops of different lengths. Is there something > for iPad that would work similarily? Someone pointed out Loopy as an app > that I might like. > > I want to do stuff like this (my rig is a Line 6 M13 into the Boomerang > and then into a Tech 21 Sans amp) live. I thought maybe the iPad would > make a good travel looper or give me "better" options/flexibility. Thanks! > ---------- > Mike Fugazzi > vocals/harmonica > http://www.mikefugazzi.com > Facebook > YouTube > Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas > > > > ** > > -- > > ** > > ... > http://www.zmix.net > > http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky > > http://albumcredits.com/zmix > --14dae9d7171a8ff14404c531caa7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Will it work in place of the Boomerang live?=A0 Would it be easy to plug my= board into?=A0 I am not sure how connecting my pedal board to an iPad even= works.=A0 I just got it and am realizing I could cut back on hauling other= gear...maybe.

I tried searching Google, etc, but without much luck.=A0=A0 I love the = Boomerang, but also see how an iPad might even do more for me with or witho= ut midi.
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Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefug= azzi.com
Face= book
YouTube
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Charle= s Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net> wrote:
There is a -new-=A0 Loopy app called Loopy HD that allows 12 loops, synched or unsynched and has the lowest latency of any audio app I've measured.


I use a Boomerang III.=A0 I love that I can set a master loop and then create loops around that.=A0 For example, I can set a one bar beatbox riff and then add three other loops of different lengths.=A0 Is there something for iPad that would work similarily?=A0 Someone pointed out Loopy as an app that I might like.

I want to do stuff like this (my rig is a Line 6 M13 into the Boomerang and then into a Tech 21 Sans amp) live.=A0 I thought maybe the iPad would make a good travel looper or give me "better" options/flexibility.=A0 Thanks!
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefug= azzi.com
Face= book
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas


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--14dae9d7171a8ff14404c531caa7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 20:24:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E09C5183464; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 20:24:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <50086CF8.8090105@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:24:24 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 20:24:31 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Radio Massacre International. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 22:31:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E43E7183453; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 22:31:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-0B34962A-4EE2-4CC2-9F27-A52278054F46 Message-Id: <4BF97FB4-9780-4057-AD50-B3722FFD6685@zzz.ch> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Z Subject: Re: iPad for Live Looping? Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 00:31:02 +0200 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 22:31:07 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-0B34962A-4EE2-4CC2-9F27-A52278054F46 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 there's some advice on the loopr website that may help a bit http://loopr.net/configuration/ cheers ;) z Le 19 juil. 2012 =C3=A0 19:05, Mike Fugazzi a =C3=A9= crit : > Will it work in place of the Boomerang live? Would it be easy to plug my b= oard into? I am not sure how connecting my pedal board to an iPad even work= s. I just got it and am realizing I could cut back on hauling other gear...= maybe. >=20 > I tried searching Google, etc, but without much luck. I love the Boomera= ng, but also see how an iPad might even do more for me with or without midi.= > ---------- > Mike Fugazzi > vocals/harmonica > http://www.mikefugazzi.com > Facebook > YouTube > Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Charles Zwicky w= rote: > There is a -new- Loopy app called Loopy HD that allows 12 loops, synched o= r unsynched and has the lowest latency of any audio app I've measured. >=20 > http://loopyapp.com/features >=20 >> I use a Boomerang III. I love that I can set a master loop and then crea= te loops around that. For example, I can set a one bar beatbox riff and the= n add three other loops of different lengths. Is there something for iPad t= hat would work similarily? Someone pointed out Loopy as an app that I might= like. >>=20 >> I want to do stuff like this (my rig is a Line 6 M13 into the Boomerang a= nd then into a Tech 21 Sans amp) live. I thought maybe the iPad would make a= good travel looper or give me "better" options/flexibility. Thanks! >> ---------- >> Mike Fugazzi >> vocals/harmonica >> http://www.mikefugazzi.com >> Facebook >> YouTube >> Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas >=20 >=20 > --=20 >=20 > ... > http://www.zmix.net >=20 > http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky >=20 > http://albumcredits.com/zmix >=20 --Apple-Mail-0B34962A-4EE2-4CC2-9F27-A52278054F46 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
there's some advice on the= loopr website that may help a bit
cheers
= ;)
z



Le 19 juil. 2012 =C3=A0 19:05, Mike= Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com<= /a>> a =C3=A9crit :

Will it work in place of the Boomerang live?  Would it be easy t= o plug my board into?  I am not sure how connecting my pedal board to a= n iPad even works.  I just got it and am realizing I could cut back on h= auling other gear...maybe.

I tried searching Google, etc, but without much luck.   I love= the Boomerang, but also see how an iPad might even do more for me with or w= ithout midi.
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Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica=
http://www.mikefuga= zzi.com
Faceb= ook
YouTube
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Charles= Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net> wrote:
There is a -new-  Loopy app called Loopy HD that allows 12 loops, synched or unsynched and has the lowest latency of any audio app I've measured.


I use a Boomerang III.  I love that I can set a master loop and then create loops around that.  For example, I can set a one bar beatbox riff and then add three other loops of different lengths.  Is there something for iPad that would work similarily?  Someone pointed out Loopy as an app that I might like.

I want to do stuff like this (my rig is a Line 6 M13 into the Boomerang and then into a Tech 21 Sans amp) live.  I thought maybe the iPad would make a good travel looper or give me "better" options/flexibility.  Thanks!
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefuga= zzi.com
Faceb= ook
YouTub= e
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas


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= --Apple-Mail-0B34962A-4EE2-4CC2-9F27-A52278054F46-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 01:23:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0643183453; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 01:23:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <48617C24-910A-435D-8F0D-DC849D9C200D@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6--632028238 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Kemper Profilier Amp or, careful with that Axe FX, Eugene Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:23:11 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 01:23:19 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6--632028238 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > i'm an axe fx user. have been for several years. first the ultra and > now the II. of course it only sounds as good as the monitors/speakers > you're playing it through. i now use two 10" RCF's and it sounds > amazing to me. having so much flexibility all in one 2u box has been a > godsend. i can create all my ambient textures in it and still use the > same box for my covers band. i also love tweaking, but only go as far > as i need to. there are still many parameters in the amp block which > are a mystery to me. i just leave them set at default. > First of all don't take what i say as a personal attack Sim because it isn't, but the last sentence of this first statement is exactly why I'm not sold on this thing, why does sounding good have to equate with a bunch of parameters that have very subtle effect, and a huge assortment of options? I'm saying that if you only use 1/4 of what's available in a device it doesn't strike me as a particularly good value, But then I know this is tempered by the fact that as a life long musician who's part time day job is a whopping 16 hours a week and has to scramble to make the mortgage every month. I used to be of the strata that had to have the latest innovation on the market, and I still certainly have that desire. I had an epiphany a few years ago when things were looking even more bleak than they do now , I believe whilst lusting after an Eclipse. I realized I'm no longer able to be the guy who can afford the latest and great when it came out. But the real Eureka moment for me was also when I realized that I can pair back to a minimal amount of choices, and believe me my minimal seems excessive to some, and it actually has a positive effect on my music making, because I'm the kind of guy who might obsessively waste an afternoon better spent playing or recording, tweaking stuff on a a swiss-army-processor. This is a personal short coming of mine. given a box of crayons i might actually draw a nice picture, given the ultimate crayon box with every color they make, I might spend the day trying out every crayon and wondering where the time went. > for me, it works. it reduced my 12u rack down to 2u and a laptop and > four 1x12 cabs down to two 10" speakers. for someone with early onset > arthritis, that's very very good. check and double check I had to give up my monster 90's rig due to a hernia, I also have early onset of arthritis, well maybe not early I'm 55, and I've had repetitive stress issues with my playing thumb for a while now. Too many torture chords i like to reach for and a preference for big necks and three note per string scale patterns, I suppose. How I achieved a pairing down is moving to small tube combo amps with a pedal board, or a di rig with a 4 space rack and the mackie equivalent of your RCF's. I totally get the need to stop lugging heavy stuff around and why this works for you. > > yes, it's complicated, but that also translates into choice. once > you've learned your way around, you figure out what you need to tweak > and what you can leave alone. using the computer editor makes creating > and editing patches a breeze. > I have had no problem feeling my way around the Axe FX II, Its not that complicated, but it is deep in minutiae and thats when I start to question the why of the design. I haven't looked at the online manual, and I borrowed it without one, Its graphic routing display reminds be of the TC fireworx, there are a couple of things that confuse me like how you can use both amps at the same time, to create a parallel 2 amp set up, like I'm fond of doing with real amps. but I've really mostly been tweaking presets and exploring the myriad of amp choices as a point of evaluation for some beta test work I'll be doing in the coming year, on you guessed it, amp modeling software... > no, it's not for everybody and statements like these do make me laugh > sometimes... "I just don't want to pay for 50 different amps and > speaker cabinets if I'm only going to uses 10"....and...."That kind of > parameter overkill drives me to distraction, and believe me I've spent > some hours tweaking. this is where products like this fall short for > me." > I'm glad this gave you a chuckle, I honestly believe someone is capable of doing what I'm talking about, a hardware component with loadable software, different levels and price points of available DSP power and modeling amp choices. perhaps not one at a time but in suites that make sense. AXE FX has set the bar high for this kind of tool but at the end of the day I'm digging the sound and feel of my component system of analog, DSP, modeled effects and tube gear better than I like the sound and feel of the AXE FX . it all boils down to personal taste > there was a time when digital modelling was a bit of a joke in the > guitar community. it just sounded so bad compared to the real thing. > that time has passed. now you just choose the product that's right for > you. there is no right or wrong...it just comes down to personal > preference. Hey this thing sounds way better than modeling stuff 7-10 years ago. You won't get an argument from me. It is a remarkable tool, I still don't believe its completely there yet in sound or feel. I see they have dropped the price, but at $2200, its still out of my reach. If they made something a 1/4 of the price that was mounted on the floor, with switches and you could pick your amps and effects and download them off the web, I would be more inclined to buy a product like that. Bill --Apple-Mail-6--632028238 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

i'm an axe fx user. = have been for several years. first the ultra and
now the II. of course it only sounds as good = as the monitors/speakers
you're playing it through. i now use two 10" RCF's and it = sounds
amazing to me. having = so much flexibility all in one 2u box has been a
godsend. i can create all my ambient textures = in it and still use the
same box for my covers band. i also love tweaking, but only go = as far
as i need to. there are = still many parameters in the amp block which
are a mystery to me. i just leave them set at = default.
for me, it works. it reduced my 12u rack down = to 2u and a laptop and
four 1x12 cabs down to two 10" speakers. for someone with early = onset
arthritis, that's very = very good.
yes, it's complicated, but that also = translates into choice. once
you've learned your way around, you figure out what you need to = tweak
and what you can leave = alone. using the computer editor makes creating
and editing patches a breeze.

I have had no = problem  feeling my way around the Axe FX II,  Its not that = complicated, but it is deep in minutiae and thats when I start to = question the why of the design.  I haven't looked at the online = manual, and I borrowed it without one, Its graphic  routing display = reminds be of the TC fireworx, there are a couple of things that confuse = me like how you can use both amps at the same time, to create a =  parallel 2 amp set up, like I'm fond of doing with real amps. but = I've really mostly  been tweaking presets and exploring the myriad = of amp choices as a point of evaluation for some beta test work I'll be = doing in the coming year, on  you guessed it, amp modeling = software...

no, it's not for everybody and statements like these do make me = laugh
sometimes... "I just = don't want to pay for 50 different amps and
speaker cabinets if I'm only going to uses = 10"....and...."That kind of
parameter overkill drives me to distraction, and believe me I've = spent
some hours tweaking. = this is where products like this fall short for
me."

I'm glad this gave you a chuckle, I = honestly believe someone is capable of doing what I'm talking about, a = hardware component with loadable software, different levels and price = points of available DSP power and modeling amp choices. perhaps not one = at a time but in suites that make sense. AXE FX has set the bar high for = this kind of tool but at the end of the day I'm digging the sound and = feel of my component system of analog, DSP, = modeled effects and tube gear better than I like the = sound and feel of the AXE FX . it all boils down to personal = taste


there was a time when digital modelling was a bit of a joke in = the
guitar community. it = just sounded so bad compared to the real thing.
that time has passed. now you just choose the = product that's right for
you. there is no right or wrong...it just comes down to = personal
cliff posted this clip. one half is the real amp, the other is = the axe
fx. just in case there = was still any doubt about the accuracy of
digital models - http://www.frac= talaudio.com/tmp/sherbert2plus.mp3 -
it's channel 2 of the diezel herbert...an amp = head that costs more
than the axe fx.

Ok you convinced = me, I don't want to buy the amp either :-) the first example =  sounds harsher to my ear with more noise floor, the second one = sounds gated and slighter smoother, unfortunately the tones are not my = aesthetic cup of tea.  Where I find the modeling technology is most = obviously fake sounding is in the clean to mildly overdriven tones, = where the harshness in the high frequencies is more noticeable,   = the kind of amps  that have wider dynamic range, more tactile = response and are not overly gain-y and compressed like these tones are. = So I give up, which is which?  i agree the sounds have vastly = improved, but I still think its overpriced. I think most  boutique = amps are overpriced, but at least with them you know they will hold = there value and last forever. 
example:  20 years = ago I bought a vintage princeton reverb for $500 I got a good deal at = the time but that amp can now fetch between $1500-2500, whereas the Pod = pro I bought for around the same money might fetch $200 If sold used = today if I'm lucky. I still have the princeton. my main amp for club = work and sessions
Bill
= --Apple-Mail-7--621090064-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 06:51:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2AF8D18345E; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 06:51:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Message-Id: <2DE289E7-2EC0-42F0-B4D4-DCC68167C093@grubmah.com> Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: iPad for Live Looping? Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 23:51:45 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: <4N6eaD.A.n5C.GAQCQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 06:51:50 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 19, 2012, at 7:56 AM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: > I want to do stuff like this (my rig is a Line 6 M13 into the Boomerang an= d then into a Tech 21 Sans amp) live. I thought maybe the iPad would make a= good travel looper or give me "better" options/flexibility. Thanks! Not on the iPad front, but I recommend running the SansAmp in the effects lo= op of the M13 and then into the Boomerang. (My Y2KX rig =E2=80=94 oh, so lon= g ago now =E2=80=94 centered on an M13 with a pair of Tech21 character serie= s pedals in the effects loop.) Mark= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 07:17:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1AC018345E; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 07:17:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 612575.46583.bm@omp1036.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1342768667; bh=FMbyRJCOyuCf/7Y9mKw7Nd8bKCFPJHOF8vDV5rXg5lo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HmSsI5tEIE0w4eh1/kCuVtLTT1GNMBzLXrK5rRBGxDxsf5rtdXFKkoX0F2aLOLEwceHlzMOrKrUhGrQ6899Kf0dlkZoXpzNr1vMSR8D/+3CjOckfUjUmfwbsyvpvJZ6cqe/MeaoirKGpy7MDqSABlGwyBIi/dFvFADvlVQzdP68= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; 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boundary="-1480336445-563550123-1342768667=:2953" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 07:17:48 +0000 (UTC) ---1480336445-563550123-1342768667=:2953 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable while we are on the subject Bill,=0AThe quest for me now is believe it or n= ot and as naive as it might sound not so much studio but " amp placement on= stage";-)=0AIm not really concern with studio amp gear,i think with the amo= unt of plugins and boxes out there you can get very satisfying results quic= kly and more efficient that spending so much money in boutique amps and hou= rs trying to get the magical mike position=0AThis is where the Kemper and t= he Axe might be worth their money.=0A=0AHowever most such discussions about= amps evolves on what we as guitarrist hear and feel and our quest ofthe ul= timate guitar amp magic through P.A. speakers,plus the transport factor,now= days we have too haul P.A.s as well!=0A=0ASo the questions is,is there real= ly a huge difference of the sound coming out of 2 10" P.A. boxes,wether is = miking your amp,or through a 400.-dlls Modeler,or through an Axe FX or a Ke= mper amp?=0Athis is the real mystery for me since the end output is mostly = all through P.A. systems and im hardly ever in front to hear it the whole n= ight=0A=0Ai wonder why they havent come up yet with a mixer and an integrat= ed channel input with good amp modeling presets for guitarrist;-)=0Aive bee= n to concerts where ive seen players with their awesome classic tube amps a= ll miked but in the back of the audience they didnt sound that great to my = ears really=0A=0Aive also been right in front of the stage and thats when i= can say ive enjoyed the guitar sound coming through such amps the most, fe= eling that "thump"=0Aive seen concert with dudes using amp modelers that so= unded terrible and brittle while ive seen others who i thought were using r= eal vintage amps but they were using either software or a floor modeler,bet= ter that those boutique amps miked!=0A=0Ai personally enjoy my tube amp mos= tly playing small clubs where the sound comes straight from its speakers wi= thout being miked.=0A=0ABut as soon as we play outside or bigger venues it = becomes an issue,either you are blasting one of your band members while the= other can=B4t hear it,or the band is happy while the audience is getting k= illed;-)=0Athen they tell you to turn it down and you wonder why you broke = your back to carry your beauty,is almost like asking a drummer to rock out = hard with electric drums turned down to 2;-)=0A=0Aand this is still my ques= t,should i still haul my amps for my own satisfaction,or should i settle fo= r a modeler that might not give me that "Thump" but will sound awesome out = front=0Aone thing is for sure,if you dont "feel it" chances are it might no= t come out as good, and this is why i think most early guitar players had s= uch great tones,there werent so many such concerns and didnt have too many = choices and they had to feel it,but what they had distinctive voice!=0Adont= get me wrong im still waiting for that transportable magic...=0A=0Ahttp://= www.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A F= rom: William Walker =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-= delight.com =0ASent: Friday, July 20, 2012 6:25 AM=0ASubject: Re: Kemper Pr= ofilier Amp=0A =0A=0Acliff posted this clip. one half is the real amp, the = other is the axe=0A>fx. just in case there was still any doubt about the ac= curacy of=0A>digital models -=A0http://www.fractalaudio.com/tmp/sherbert2pl= us.mp3=A0-=0A>it's channel 2 of the diezel herbert...an amp head that costs= more=0A>than the axe fx.=0A=0AOk you convinced me, I don't want to buy the= amp either :-) the first example =A0sounds harsher to my ear with more noi= se floor, the second one sounds gated and slighter smoother, unfortunately = the tones are not my aesthetic cup of tea. =A0Where I find the modeling tec= hnology is most obviously fake sounding is in the clean to mildly overdrive= n tones, where the harshness in the high frequencies is more noticeable, = =A0 the kind of amps =A0that have wider dynamic range, more tactile respons= e and are not overly gain-y and compressed like these tones are. So I give = up, which is which? =A0i agree the sounds have vastly improved, but I still= think its overpriced. I think most =A0boutique amps are overpriced, but at= least with them you know they will hold there value and last forever.=A0= =0Aexample: =A020 years ago I bought a vintage princeton reverb for $500 I = got a good deal at the time but that amp can now fetch between $1500-2500, = whereas the Pod pro I bought for around the same money might fetch $200 If = sold used today if I'm lucky. I still have the princeton. my main amp for c= lub work and sessions=0ABill ---1480336445-563550123-1342768667=:2953 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
while we a= re on the subject Bill,
The quest for me now is beli= eve it or not and as naive as it might sound not so much studio but " amp p= lacement onstage";-)
Im not really concern with stud= io amp gear,i think with the amount of plugins and boxes out there you can = get very satisfying results quickly and more efficient that spending so muc= h money in boutique amps and hours trying to get the magical mike position<= /span>
This is where the Kemper and the Axe might be worth = their money.
However most such discussions about= amps evolves on what we as guitarrist hear and feel and our quest of the ultimate guitar amp magic through P.A. speakers,plus the transp= ort factor,nowdays we have too haul P.A.s as well!
So the questions is,is there really a hug= e difference of the sound coming out of 2 10" P.A. boxes,wether is miking y= our amp,or through a 400.-dlls Modeler,or through an Axe FX or a Kemper amp= ?
this is the real mystery for me since the end outp= ut is mostly all through P.A. systems and im hardly ever in front to hear i= t the whole night
i wonder why they havent come = up yet with a mixer and an integrated channel input with good amp modeling = presets for guitarrist;-)
ive been to concerts where= ive seen players with their awesome classic tube amps all miked but in the= back of the audience they didnt sound that great to my ears really
ive also been right in front of the stage and thats whe= n i can say ive enjoyed the guitar sound coming through such amps the most,= feeling that "thump"
ive seen concert with dudes using amp modelers that sounded terrible and brittle while ive seen = others who i thought were using real vintage amps but they were using eithe= r software or a floor modeler,better that those boutique amps miked!
i personally enjoy my tube amp mostly playing small cl= ubs where the sound comes straight from its speakers without being miked.
But as soon as we play outside or bigger venues i= t becomes an issue,either you are blasting one of your band members while t= he other can=B4t hear it,or the band is happy while the audience is getting= killed;-)
then they tell you to turn it down and yo= u wonder why you broke your back to carry your beauty,is almost like asking= a drummer to rock out hard with electric drums turned down to 2;-)
and this is still my quest,should i still haul my amps = for my own satisfaction,or should i settle for a modeler that might not give me that "Thump" but will sound awesome out front
one thing is for sure,if you dont "feel it" chances are it might not= come out as good, and this is why i think most early guitar players had su= ch great tones,there werent so many such concerns and didnt have too many c= hoices and they had to feel it,but what they had distinctive voice!<= /div>
dont get me wrong im still waiting for that transportable m= agic...
http://www.myspace.com/lu= isangulocom

From: William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-deli= ght.com
Sent: Friday, July 2= 0, 2012 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: Kemper Profilier Amp

cliff posted this clip. one = half is the real amp, the other is the axe
= fx. just in case there was still any doubt about the accurac= y of
digital models -=  <= a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.fractalaudio.com/tm= p/sherbert2plus.mp3">http://www.fractalaudio.com/tmp/sherbert2plus.mp3<= /span> -it's channel 2 of the diezel herbert...an amp head t= hat costs more
than the axe fx.

Ok you convinced me, I don't want to buy t= he amp either :-) the first example  sounds harsher to my ear with mor= e noise floor, the second one sounds gated and slighter smoother, unfortuna= tely the tones are not my aesthetic cup of tea.  Where I find the mode= ling technology is most obviously fake sounding is in the clean to mildly o= verdriven tones, where the harshness in the high frequencies is more notice= able,   the kind of amps  that have wider dynamic range, more tac= tile response and are not overly gain-y and compressed like these tones are= . So I give up, which is which?  i agree the sounds have vastly improv= ed, but I still think its overpriced. I think most  boutique amps are = overpriced, but at least with them you know they will hold there value and = last forever. 
example:  20 years ago I bought a vintag= e princeton reverb for $500 I got a good deal at the time but that amp can now fetch between $1500-2500, whereas the Pod pro I bought for aro= und the same money might fetch $200 If sold used today if I'm lucky. I stil= l have the princeton. my main amp for club work and sessions
Bill=


---1480336445-563550123-1342768667=:2953-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 10:24:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F204018345E; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:24:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=HuDQo2COinoCRrSRwuSvta1CR2uu4onqCGpHR252fGM=; b=njLB+9eGXd7ZBDUx8WqsrlA/zLppJv77ywFC7xY7FPQJu/4xjokwfgyZqR0gfHLhvb c2SluJdUG7LAUeIL5fYdbQ11DbQQcj3NPEyoCvv0XiLCkdCxW8HCnrFmhlPsHcHO5vJ+ F1h2pCOZ7taqwrIQUGy071itHOY57mCmUBZzbAxEB2euVvQrCQeYAYpj8mi/SbpQxLOE sikx2IaRKRoLk97aY/e3Kc+k3A5WXbkpZXZGJ0ZbjMpVEqaEEmryikTkdnkheqF6Udwe R4UP58fQOlPYbJRWmWy+lQLC2PQBQivaisg6/n0pLj8TPCT+FNs8xkGNaevMqH78578q mewg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <190FBFE8-7F17-4AEE-80F7-EDC6C9192E8C@baymoon.com> References: <190FBFE8-7F17-4AEE-80F7-EDC6C9192E8C@baymoon.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:24:16 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Kemper Profilier Amp From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:24:17 +0000 (UTC) no, this particular amp is not my taste either. the first half was the amp, second half was the axe fx. i also agree that mildly overdriven tones are the ones that are hardest to capture. i was trying to find a wonderful clip that someone did of the "buttery" sim that covered clean to breakup and sounded fantastic, but he's removed it now. i don't think the axe fx has any problems reproducing these kind of tones. the AC30 sim is especially lovely - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnvAxF1Zm1k&feature=channel&list=UL On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 5:25 AM, William Walker wrote: > Ok you convinced me, I don't want to buy the amp either :-) the first > example sounds harsher to my ear with more noise floor, the second one > sounds gated and slighter smoother, unfortunately the tones are not my > aesthetic cup of tea. Where I find the modeling technology is most > obviously fake sounding is in the clean to mildly overdriven tones, where > the harshness in the high frequencies is more noticeable, the kind of amps > that have wider dynamic range, more tactile response and are not overly > gain-y and compressed like these tones are. So I give up, which is which? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 10:54:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93E8B18345E; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:54:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=LZq6CC+1VRKbUbP6GQm4Q+wNTr/Dg9rbWUM+38v7KKk=; b=WigCJoTaJwLqCaiMxi4GQlbt1YBNDWVluUSFfGqBvzKDAG7nD2HQSZJUzd/AvCxc+U rTaSE973PD6MgDEWZnSJdLEACkr2IGeg4n1DbGrnz5ecwGMJ/FkwdeeGH8VzegmidyMq JXsH6dKbjYE+8Maad/4A5vyngwP5JzXcwfYwmo5RJpclD3fw16s/yFp9RBCM9Ho3G/xZ HsoAVmrdXCOqlXl+NmNvoGGwMKjNNE9EYfLALs2jOA9Yt7FunCT5DwNiRNqUcFzj42gI K3Xj7/QGAvOEKvxtScnRgsG+oF+ixdzLq4Bt7JoS60EnZ639gdrBIrRPTZ/o+tFIYABN BGBA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <48617C24-910A-435D-8F0D-DC849D9C200D@baymoon.com> References: <48617C24-910A-435D-8F0D-DC849D9C200D@baymoon.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:54:20 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Kemper Profilier Amp or, careful with that Axe FX, Eugene From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:54:22 +0000 (UTC) bill said - "why does sounding good have to equate with a bunch of parameters that have very subtle effect, and a huge assortment of options? I'm saying that if you only use 1/4 of what's available in a device it doesn't strike me as a particularly good value" and "This is a personal short coming of mine. given a box of crayons i might actually draw a nice picture, given the ultimate crayon box with every color they make, I might spend the day trying out every crayon and wondering where the time went. " so would you describe the ultimate box of crayons as "poor value"? would you also criticise the crayon makers for putting in too many colours? would you say - "hey i don't need all these shades of orange...just give me one orange and i'll be happy". what about those wonderful artists who have made amazing pictures with the super box of crayons...utilising every colour at their disposal to make beautiful pictures? i'm sure someone drawing a sunset would appreciate a large number of orange crayons. i don't get it. you freely admit you have a problem with choice anxiety and yet you say things with "too many" choices are poor value. i think what you mean is, they have poor value to you. that's fine. the axe fx is obviously not for you. you don't like choice and i don't have a problem with that. but to say the axe fx is at fault for having too much choice sounds like displacement. and sounding great on the axe fx has absolutely nothing to do with the number of parameters available. you don't have to tweak them to get a great sound. all cliff has done is expose the inner workings of the amp to the user. the user can then modify (just like many people have done in the past with real amps) those parameters if they wish. leave everything at default and just tweak the gain, bass, middle, treble, pres and master if you wish....after all that's what 99.9% would do with a real amp and i suspect that's what most people do with the axe fx as well. also the number of times i hear people moan about the axe fx only to discover they haven't read the manual....if i had a penny...! :O) respectfully, sim ps - one important thing to remember. as valve amp users, we get very familiar with the response of amplifiers in relation to their volume, so it's very important to set up the axe at the appropriate volume level. if you're playing through a marshall plexi sim with the master on 9, then listening to it at bedroom volume is going to give you a very "unrealistic" experience. whack up the volume to a more "appropriate" level and things will suddenly start to gel in a way that your experience tells you is natural. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 11:03:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A119718345D; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:03:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1342782190; bh=QG5ORDTSNGt9faavYmO8AEBGRdCCeYhlo4/bab2CMRo=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Date:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer; b=sRiBzC1l8xXINjMovEeal6iooBDt7KldIZ+6VhdEjmAhouAfr/Cp2xSKm5pyyY1BFpstC2SKUMNamFgHunewyLzDP81/2vkoSjYe/Z5mnMg/tUF+q3weoM6ximUCzlH71SHphdSF3I00HSCpPWJi+DMqtjQAAcSTtIa3P9Nx6uw= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 90697.20706.bm@smtp122.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: Aqs7A6wVM1m1Fj1w6HYzArTa9TBrCtJCTE2rcX.RSXEpH6z gliiJYfyM8CaZujoKpoTNSJKhaDgbKzrcwHkH6Ef2H0zwGubtMOFMoT9YSUu dGtaygi82ofBfC104kZUtHsQtc.LXPPQWfGOnjryceF8YMSgel0NFeeT1v9d 2o3B1P2JJz.oMthRhSx3gJBwgJ8swtuBn9S679ak9gxfM09mLb_gffkEVuzD uiTHzT.9eEidtpARg0kq7z27lX.H5YSVepBOOqcy9DpWSaIb8DPhos4c5BM3 s_5ebaLKkWR4sZkWNUrvoF61WrTk7Ho9ifTasY4cKB9HzIgRD_eW496J0YxT iH5mQM7Ccsz.F9dzpyRlLHPI0AQ3frh9Zk3_oYOKR6LW5RsH1ngEIQSbvqqG i65D8.bvgqkW9eMD2BabOSGQga7WbHUih6rsJHSRsFxrfNh9IVoK2KkxjBdd fYWNfUIFVr_fjSPR.oQ-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 75CdczOswBChen.W3AbLhaW8TlC96TVo5w-- From: Ben To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" < Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:03:09 +0200 Subject: Re: Kemper Profilier Amp In-Reply-To: <1342768667.2953.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <190FBFE8-7F17-4AEE-80F7-EDC6C9192E8C@baymoon.com> <1342768667.2953.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <20120720130309.A3040B20.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: nPOPuk Ver 2.16 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:03:11 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------------------------- Luis Angulo wrote: (20/07/2012 09:17) > i wonder why they havent come up yet with a mixer and an integrated channel input with good amp modeling presets for guitarrist;-) almost there: http://line6.com/stagescape-m20d/ Ben (who badly plays guitar on a fender mustang I modelled amp) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 11:13:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC454183463; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:13:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=zgQe2UvW00/z/zqPNBJz9FSZocg+YaA9rryF0g7qw5w=; b=SFalapaxtg8qgd2pCAERuRM3lMOPaSnhT7jEvjHsXPtDcYiet7/cJrIV+8FoNmxw3z 6B3ia+rB0dgJ5SR5ukPxcWL8yRpbF/X1Qfd1IH8dLw7vtk9PMaIKQUsHlzQxc0m3+JQc vDi77hTqYQVTCMvrAAlnE9p1a39GdWhxHfFrh5TjkNQ3hvlcERFNi2dv92mh60pTuowG KuT90nJLgIUX+zXaLfMxxCDozrHoEviHkNEZDBMLi4ahWH077XFZzpZ1Mec3J96d8eqz UWWqr0RISiUFjUSEJUTDlnQpDuO7H4HspvL8amTo6YaVipaFmmOvbW7EzlP/MKBFRoMj Kkpg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <48617C24-910A-435D-8F0D-DC849D9C200D@baymoon.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 12:13:29 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Kemper Profilier Amp or, careful with that Axe FX, Eugene From: Pawel Janowski To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042f9e425e603804c540fcbc Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:13:30 +0000 (UTC) --f46d042f9e425e603804c540fcbc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'll jump in, since I am also in the 'I don't like too many options' camp. What I mean is definitely 'poor value to me'. Axe-FX and similar tools are great pieces of technology and they open up tons of possibilities for talented artists who like to explore these possibilities. It's simply a matter of preferred workflow - some like to have many tools available (ultimate box of crayons) others like to limit themselves (paint with three crayons, a Telecaster into a Twin). I still see value in having the options at hand, which is why I put the Line6 M5 on my board (to have access to a reverse delay, for instance), but something reasonably simple suits me better. And I am still probably more hi-tech than most guitarists out there, with my pedalboard of AMT preamps, M5, drives, fuzzes, and the LP2. I think what it boils down to for me is not liking patches - I like to 'see' my sound-making devices and be able to tweak them with real knobs, but I definitely see the value in being able to create complex sounds and being able to recall them at will. On 20 July 2012 11:54, Simeon Harris wrote: > bill said - "why does sounding good have to equate with a bunch of > parameters that have very subtle effect, and a huge assortment of > options? I'm saying that if you only use 1/4 of what's available in a > device it doesn't strike me as a particularly good value" > > and > > "This is a personal short coming of mine. given a box of crayons i > might actually draw a nice picture, given the ultimate crayon box with > every color they make, I might spend the day trying out every crayon > and wondering where the time went. " > > > so would you describe the ultimate box of crayons as "poor value"? > would you also criticise the crayon makers for putting in too many > colours? would you say - "hey i don't need all these shades of > orange...just give me one orange and i'll be happy". what about those > wonderful artists who have made amazing pictures with the super box of > crayons...utilising every colour at their disposal to make beautiful > pictures? i'm sure someone drawing a sunset would appreciate a large > number of orange crayons. > > i don't get it. you freely admit you have a problem with choice > anxiety and yet you say things with "too many" choices are poor value. > i think what you mean is, they have poor value to you. that's fine. > the axe fx is obviously not for you. you don't like choice and i don't > have a problem with that. but to say the axe fx is at fault for having > too much choice sounds like displacement. > > and sounding great on the axe fx has absolutely nothing to do with the > number of parameters available. you don't have to tweak them to get a > great sound. all cliff has done is expose the inner workings of the > amp to the user. the user can then modify (just like many people have > done in the past with real amps) those parameters if they wish. leave > everything at default and just tweak the gain, bass, middle, treble, > pres and master if you wish....after all that's what 99.9% would do > with a real amp and i suspect that's what most people do with the axe > fx as well. > > also the number of times i hear people moan about the axe fx only to > discover they haven't read the manual....if i had a penny...! :O) > > respectfully, > > sim > > ps - one important thing to remember. as valve amp users, we get very > familiar with the response of amplifiers in relation to their volume, > so it's very important to set up the axe at the appropriate volume > level. if you're playing through a marshall plexi sim with the master > on 9, then listening to it at bedroom volume is going to give you a > very "unrealistic" experience. whack up the volume to a more > "appropriate" level and things will suddenly start to gel in a way > that your experience tells you is natural. > > --f46d042f9e425e603804c540fcbc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'll jump in, since I am also=A0in the 'I don't like too m= any options' camp. What I mean is definitely 'poor value to me'= . Axe-FX and similar tools are great pieces of technology and they open up = tons of possibilities for talented artists who like to explore these possib= ilities. It's simply a matter of preferred workflow - some like to have= many tools available (ultimate box of crayons) others like to limit themse= lves (paint with three crayons, a Telecaster into a Twin).
=A0
I still see value in having the options at hand, which i= s why I put the Line6 M5 on my board (to have access to a reverse delay, fo= r instance), but something reasonably simple suits me better. And I am stil= l probably more hi-tech than most guitarists out there, with my pedalboard = of=A0AMT preamps, M5, drives, fuzzes, and the LP2.
=A0
I think what it boils down to for me=A0is not liking pat= ches - I like to 'see' my sound-making devices and be able to tweak= them with real=A0knobs, but I definitely see the value in being able to cr= eate complex sounds and being able to recall them at will.
On 20 July 2012 11:54, Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
bill said - "why does sounding good have to equate with a bunch of
parameters that have very subtle effect, and a huge assor= tment of
options? =A0I'm saying that if you only use 1/4 of what's available= in a
device it doesn't strike me as a particularly good value"

and

"This is a personal short coming of mine. given a =A0box of crayons = =A0i
might actually draw a nice picture, given the ultimate crayon box with
every color they make, I might =A0spend the day trying out every crayon
and wondering where the time went. "


so would you describe the ultimate box of crayons as "poor value= "?
would you also criticise the crayon makers for putting in too many
colours? would you say - "hey i don't need all these shades of
orange...just give me one orange and i'll be happy". what about th= ose
wonderful artists who have made amazing pictures with the super box of
crayons...utilising every colour at their disposal to make beautiful
pictures? i'm sure someone drawing a sunset would appreciate a large number of orange crayons.

i don't get it. you freely admit you have a problem with choice
anxiety and yet you say things with "too many" choices are poor v= alue.
i think what you mean is, they have poor value to you. that's fine.
the axe fx is obviously not for you. you don't like choice and i don= 9;t
have a problem with that. but to say the axe fx is at fault for having
too much choice sounds like displacement.

and sounding great on the axe fx has absolutely nothing to do with the
number of parameters available. you don't have to tweak them to get a great sound. all cliff has done is expose the inner workings of the
amp to the user. the user can then modify (just like many people have
done in the past with real amps) those parameters if they wish. leave
everything at default and just tweak the gain, bass, middle, treble,
pres and master if you wish....after all that's what 99.9% would do
with a real amp and i suspect that's what most people do with the axe fx as well.

also the number of times i hear people moan about the axe fx only to
discover they haven't read the manual....if i had a penny...! :O)

respectfully,

sim

ps - one important thing to remember. as valve amp users, we get very
familiar with the response of amplifiers in relation to their volume,
so it's very important to set up the axe at the appropriate volume
level. if you're playing through a marshall plexi sim with the master on 9, then listening to it at bedroom volume is going to give you a
very "unrealistic" experience. whack up the volume to a more
"appropriate" level and things will suddenly start to gel in a wa= y
that your experience tells you is natural.


--f46d042f9e425e603804c540fcbc-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 11:31:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B76B9183462; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:31:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=Xa5jxTMRCEzUosylsWZVK8g3+vTQhjUKn67eshL4l+Q=; b=HZ+BOn/YdI80jgY2Sqjr+rWi7hggO1zw533lFpRXrubVpQOeKOBRvxFSMWj3jW2fBu CmAkaOD3el7I6LjE0fCo6fUudNzbsxrawOcQi45e1kmpir/1FVf0P/GvKs4qiAOkhOCt Cqh1QNCAJ4rV9sQD++gCW4FHhkD5xhXYBOoAj/r91bndZVlmkg3ku06MtFMVRp8Ni0rS /M3QiSPdO/1fRsvPmg/RnULWHdNW4BnYotKtAaSsoeyZaeeBw5AtTTaDqxZ4rjc35hxh CGT7yXekYAYzGCaezMMacA5KldAMrprjeqJA6pUoA8IKWE5Q1THz8gcNXNQtxWiw1ZGN jNDg== Subject: Re: Kemper Profilier Amp or, careful with that Axe FX, Eugene References: <48617C24-910A-435D-8F0D-DC849D9C200D@baymoon.com> From: Simeon Harris Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (8C148) In-Reply-To: <48617C24-910A-435D-8F0D-DC849D9C200D@baymoon.com> Message-Id: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 12:34:03 +0100 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPod Mail 8C148) Resent-Message-ID: <6UuU6.A.SFF.sGUCQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:31:56 +0000 (UTC) ppps bill, I'd be happy to offer any help and advice I can. I can send you s= ome patches, or talk you through dual amp layouts etc. Just send me a pm.=20= Sim= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 13:21:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B0F0183462; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:21:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=yCFtmiOOEJUi9hNz44iQRS/tlOyshIWNyX6AWZEHSwg=; b=dP8InzBStedkmsbB5ybQWsUxERlQ/xWMJKAcJKC8hXsdW0iRFtHJDnQf98VnCdkhJh 3zA70pm86RWc7UlLF8RL440pJv9F1tvIjutfnFWSTc/CAmzrw6i8rko9fIzkpVOLRn7S VskBy3VlcCsIVB5oi7Qep3jP8b/qrR2e6wohJXRRzJSdk/5eClwyoiI02vKO7S8A69YD dKdL90OUSpaMBXRwk6dqbKTKjC6K99eAs2gILay20Alu3nf/mIKANBH9nHSBcsacg6/O gtilK12+n2Ijqit/vtqYsp7Lc4R09FHIhUyuidtBkvtO/fH0GP7gM1FIs42fR/x+BtFq e88g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:21:50 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: OT: Sony's SpectraLayer From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:21:50 +0000 (UTC) I'm downloading the demo as soon as I get home. http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/spectralayerspro "VST effects can be applied to individual layers. SpectraLayers Pro can also pass whole layers, and even bandwidth-limited selections from within layers, directly to other dedicated audio editing programs like Sound Forge Pro." Sylvain From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 13:55:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 803C618345B; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:55:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_219ce22d-2310-459d-9b6d-3eb3a79ddeb7_" X-Originating-IP: [86.153.221.83] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: OT: Sony's SpectraLayer Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:55:47 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2012 13:55:47.0652 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D57B040:01CD667F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:55:49 +0000 (UTC) --_219ce22d-2310-459d-9b6d-3eb3a79ddeb7_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looks cool. Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > Date: Fri=2C 20 Jul 2012 09:21:50 -0400 > Subject: OT: Sony's SpectraLayer > From: sylvain.trombone@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > I'm downloading the demo as soon as I get home. >=20 > http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/spectralayerspro >=20 > "VST effects can be applied to individual layers. SpectraLayers Pro > can also pass whole layers=2C and even bandwidth-limited selections from > within layers=2C directly to other dedicated audio editing programs like > Sound Forge Pro." >=20 > Sylvain >=20 = --_219ce22d-2310-459d-9b6d-3eb3a79ddeb7_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Looks cool.


Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

>=3B Date: Fri=2C 20 Jul 2012 09:= 21:50 -0400
>=3B Subject: OT: Sony's SpectraLayer
>=3B From: sylv= ain.trombone@gmail.com
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>=3B
>=3B I'm downloading the demo as soon as I get home.
>= =3B
>=3B http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/spectralayerspro
>= =3B
>=3B "VST effects can be applied to individual layers. SpectraLay= ers Pro
>=3B can also pass whole layers=2C and even bandwidth-limited = selections from
>=3B within layers=2C directly to other dedicated audi= o editing programs like
>=3B Sound Forge Pro."
>=3B
>=3B Sy= lvain
>=3B
= --_219ce22d-2310-459d-9b6d-3eb3a79ddeb7_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 14:17:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A121418345E; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:17:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=NsMifq2eEUGVsV1NlvnI+1K7/jYJDu1e5WFv3gDXtdw=; b=U8NLDoU9w9RHRQY0zQpWW0W/nrLnPQpt+v2Db2qahE4vwjqI+DN/0uzya5leFhq2UU 0klxWhmIf5kIko0frch/qjj6aoxtBUNjX1Nt+ic7G4oNGAb1gSX98ofHlwLv/jl+U8mE na2AniuUCyb95O4yVz8uGDW8TR3MvHN8h0D6h8NfdNGQI0G05tWrG6mIn7TegL2B/vLp FYfpFrbACOpawKM4jqh6pnN47CRHD8lmF0Q4BxYNudAJClxQJMJPVQlTvpcRfzUlCjYY 52PHBbtM9OBnp5QtIkVBuXnjq33L3SjbDOC/SpK5YL+cRJOorvbs89OBXv3aeuHGFy+K fg/A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <48617C24-910A-435D-8F0D-DC849D9C200D@baymoon.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:17:11 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Kemper Profilier Amp or, careful with that Axe FX, Eugene From: Simeon Harris To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <1frd4B.A.8jG.ohWCQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:17:12 +0000 (UTC) pppps bill - check what firmware your axe fx is on by hitting the utility button on the front panel and paging right. it should be on 6.02. if it's on 5.04, you should definitely upgrade, because that particular firmware was a bit harsh sounding.... On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Simeon Harris wrote: > ppps bill, I'd be happy to offer any help and advice I can. I can send you some patches, or talk you through dual amp layouts etc. Just send me a pm. > > Sim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 14:19:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 141B218345E; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:19:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+xVIwAYrmpIhkF7jV1fRARwWM0bYjKFUnrzh7FqJ9bo=; b=YRM1hq6kB5rH0rX5BbX41ScLkiNqg7r+fbysnvoAdot3XvncuzYGsek+5dg9MHc+HU QXZASxqHz+AXS99YmKkYSnUcImxRuaBtGbC6GJF2gd1AD5Jqou1x+EcuwIi5HMVAl+qD h03cEaY5J8EH7DBMmST7wUN+akXyVA1W7KOUjdqhnBzqQwV1d6iTZMdPgjsqbS82WvgO LJFFgB4fo0Wnilys4kYIeeCx2M+aYo2/bIwcLxfXONImzmQMNNOM1+JvejqXaMIXPrfB k879ZgeVorbtxlaV77aCx2VS4BtYlW0w1ptBqm8xaydvzhIrJ/m+vX2XSQ6vow2VEfDl hqTw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 08:19:36 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Sony's SpectraLayer From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:19:37 +0000 (UTC) If the Installer ever gets done "initializing" I might get to give it a test run (I hate badly implemented Mac versions of Windows software =85) Best to all, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > Looks cool. > > > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > >> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:21:50 -0400 >> Subject: OT: Sony's SpectraLayer >> From: sylvain.trombone@gmail.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> >> I'm downloading the demo as soon as I get home. >> >> http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/spectralayerspro >> >> "VST effects can be applied to individual layers. SpectraLayers Pro >> can also pass whole layers, and even bandwidth-limited selections from >> within layers, directly to other dedicated audio editing programs like >> Sound Forge Pro." >> >> Sylvain >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 14:27:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9E7F18345C; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:27:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: iPad for Live Looping? In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: michael klobuchar X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CF349AFB24890D_36C_B86D7_webmail-d173.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36611-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CF349AFB24890D-36C-2BF0B@webmail-d173.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [68.162.146.234] Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:27:52 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1342794473; bh=Xp8dQU7WWyRyCYotxCbDbMhjqZ/i4MzPWZUf1bj0gLg=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=u1VI0adZIKfUuGlMopKyRx95HTblk4DN5kfScytHz5SE/xhKu6psb4vjLpIaNcEGj 3zCxDNbAeL344LSumVGmF916z+gegB1OlAEmxZ9NE11pmiDkW3RN6ENAcwHIhYxr6H SAyXBj9ozo+3CF7fV83VtiGxfG18/mNuW1rOmv7s= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:286452096:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cb50096ae82bc9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:27:57 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CF349AFB24890D_36C_B86D7_webmail-d173.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" mike.....interesting placement of the SANS AMP.....what's your reasoning? =20 ----------MB_8CF349AFB24890D_36C_B86D7_webmail-d173.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
mike.....interesting placement = of the SANS AMP.....what's your reasoning?


----------MB_8CF349AFB24890D_36C_B86D7_webmail-d173.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 14:41:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E009183460; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:41:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=sngfqy5Do077P4gNiJ/7WTe/3RepNgljkUWoeBZ7usQ=; b=TmfK3CUudXQg6iKLwjjo98udWG3DuEqLkEzFvpNhA4Ej3Nip7rWsWBIRRLwKYzemq7 qZNjudWMzrmk5W9l8GFfvRjbbvjgGw1LlvDdOIBcbPNut1x6iJCVExCSwX4SvfXPNkdH sd6r8MZhoy97etFjHYrdtVGuOYmjnn9+Q4PVNK6Er4qdsvYE/EKFdXVZbf3dQJMsFuif 2s61ygTmR3t8u+taXO56AC0tZsd6tvYmJdqL1eiNyII9vvtLvJNOcNxGawVtsIdV7HgT RRkYpA5h+ox5rJaPOOVbnlekHWCYRxtElNzzQk1y3IVj2NFcBkCjrUspfd9SUO9XbpZu aORQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:41:21 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Sony's SpectraLayer From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <0CcadD.A.NHH.S4WCQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:41:22 +0000 (UTC) > http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/spectralayerspro Looking forward to hear what you guys think about this new app :-) Especially if it supports the AU protocol on Mac, since that was unclear in the web page presentation. I did not download since I think it would be faster for me to perform certain processing in Logic than export a file to open it in SpectralLayers. Didn't see any new DSP functionality, but the graphics look good. One function I need, audio CD mastering, was lacking in this app. In the past I have done that in SoundForge on Windows and in WaveBurner on Mac, but now since SF is Win only and WB discontinued I have looked around for a Mac sample editor supporting audio CD mastering and found the Italian DSP-Quattro for a fraction of the price Sony is selling SpectralLayers for. http://www.dsp-quattro.com/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 15:09:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC9C8183460; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:09:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 300 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:09:05 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_91b3a26a-ac52-4e44-90be-1ccf2c38a506_" X-Originating-IP: [217.92.117.212] From: Sergio G Sender: To: Subject: RE: Boomerang 3 midi sync Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:04:04 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2012 15:04:04.0889 (UTC) FILETIME=[E77C7090:01CD6688] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:09:05 +0000 (UTC) --_91b3a26a-ac52-4e44-90be-1ccf2c38a506_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And for the mute function and the pause function?They would be so cool! From: buddhamachine@live.co.uk To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boomerang 3 midi sync Date: Thu=2C 19 Jul 2012 11:16:15 +0000 Just had an email from Mike Nelson of Boomerang. Apparently MIDI sync is wo= rking but they are adding enhancements before releasing it :-)No plans for = instant stack mode though :-( Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co..uk = --_91b3a26a-ac52-4e44-90be-1ccf2c38a506_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
And for the mute function and the pause function?
They would be so cool= !


From: buddhamachine@live.co.uk
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com<= br>Subject: Boomerang 3 midi sync
Date: Thu=2C 19 Jul 2012 11:16:15 +000= 0

Just had an email from Mike Nelson of Boomerang. Apparently MIDI sync is wo= rking but they are adding enhancements before releasing it :-)
No plans= for instant stack mode though :-(

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: = garethwhittock.co= ..uk

= --_91b3a26a-ac52-4e44-90be-1ccf2c38a506_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 15:21:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C55B318345B; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:21:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_08356592-ddaf-419e-a350-fc4036b60225_" X-Originating-IP: [86.153.221.83] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Boomerang 3 midi sync Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:21:30 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2012 15:21:31.0107 (UTC) FILETIME=[5714A330:01CD668B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:21:32 +0000 (UTC) --_08356592-ddaf-419e-a350-fc4036b60225_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I didn't mention these but you might want to contact him if you like.. G Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk From: simpliflying@gmail.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Boomerang 3 midi sync Date: Fri=2C 20 Jul 2012 15:04:04 +0000 And for the mute function and the pause function?They would be so cool! From: buddhamachine@live.co.uk To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boomerang 3 midi sync Date: Thu=2C 19 Jul 2012 11:16:15 +0000 Just had an email from Mike Nelson of Boomerang. Apparently MIDI sync is wo= rking but they are adding enhancements before releasing it :-)No plans for = instant stack mode though :-( Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co..uk = --_08356592-ddaf-419e-a350-fc4036b60225_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I didn't mention these but you might want to contact him if you like..
=
G

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk


From: simpl= iflying@gmail.com
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE= : Boomerang 3 midi sync
Date: Fri=2C 20 Jul 2012 15:04:04 +0000

And for the mute function and the pause function?
They would be so cool= !


From: buddhamachine@live.co.uk
To: loopers-delight@loopers-deligh= t.com
Subject: Boomerang 3 midi sync
Date: Thu=2C 19 Jul 2012 11:16:1= 5 +0000

Just had an email from Mike Nelson of Boomerang. Apparently MIDI sync is wo= rking but they are adding enhancements before releasing it :-)
No plans= for instant stack mode though :-(

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: = garethwhittock.co= ..uk

= --_08356592-ddaf-419e-a350-fc4036b60225_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 15:50:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD7F5183462; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:50:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=o0R0YX0LDoswMcmKlrOZyA9u6cF7HyRKP8ql33P3J34=; b=fQ2X+2T2kpGX5BgN/NwQSzUoZPkOZON9+gC2qgavpOaIqQjCGtZSvZaRp7rhN1K4jU +N4ABlF/cRcZM/4kAzuQ+C7lAqeJNJ2jfKQPrB5xlCSndSTmv/wazvXw1P84sTiUHqQN 7nZyU5JUcHXRF9qQ5Fq9+chAVvftwS4vBk9TPc4YszARqTSzsZ8ROqBqc7nOxvINw/Iu XhI9zPtptX3fOdcgbMz/6iu+6fsq3cMIj2xshKUmwWsZJrHpLT4GIMfFocS5WJw4A4KY HC4SwyMXljF7vzLNR8NAzNHsC0avH1xDL4QwuAGQtN9DOz7xTdVzlFslxFG4qu0tWtXG nN0A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:50:01 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Looking for a drum box programmer/partner...! From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ga=EBl_D=2E?= To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf301ee7c74f6fdd04c544d92d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:50:02 +0000 (UTC) --20cf301ee7c74f6fdd04c544d92d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone, I'm not sure if that mailing-list is not the correct place to post such a request... If it's a wrong place tell me! (or suggest me another ML/forum/whatever...) Now if it's an acceptable place, let me introduce myself: I'm a musician, music producer "apprentice" (already ran a music label in the past), and working on a new project of album recording (rock/pop/alternative style). Problem 1: I'm blocked by the drums for recording. I can play basic drums, but recording professionnal drums, especially when working most of the time alone in my studio, is a nightmare. I've tried different ways for recording them, but there is something in the instrument interactions that is "not working" in the rythm part (a small speed increase followed by a small speed decrease to recover the tempo "click" is often very audible). I guess I'm just not good enough at drums, even if I have my style and ideas, and I'm not sure I want to practise many more years to reach the good level for drums recording ;) Problem 2: I hate programming rythm boxes :) It's a nightmare for me. I own one (MC-505 with a dying display....), I used to own otherl ones, and even have virtual ones on the iPhone/iPad (BeatMaker, iDrum...), but... I mean: setting up a few loops is OK but I need more complexity in the drums parts, and that's a lot of work... Then..... I had a dream ;) If I could find a rythm partnerfor recording (you know, in the old world, you had a drummer in a band...), that would liberate me totally to focus on my songs, not the drums... If you are reading this message and know well about drum machines and love to program them, please tell me!! Or you can forward to a friend who would be interested... I have ten songs to record ;) We can think about any cooperation, even paid (yeah) and with Internet it can be very easy to exchange files and so on... Well, that's a kind of "message in a bottle", any help will be thanked until the end of times, and sorry again if I'm polluting this mailing-list! Ga=EBl. --20cf301ee7c74f6fdd04c544d92d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone,

I'm not sure if that mailing-list is not the correc= t place to post such a request... If it's a wrong place tell me! (or su= ggest me another ML/forum/whatever...)

Now if it's an acceptable= place, let me introduce myself: I'm a musician, music producer "a= pprentice" (already ran a music label in the past), and working on a n= ew project of album recording (rock/pop/alternative style).

Problem 1: I'm blocked by the drums for recording. I can play basic= drums, but recording professionnal drums, especially when working most of = the time alone in my studio, is a nightmare.
I've tried different wa= ys for recording them, but there is something in the instrument interaction= s that is "not working" in the rythm part (a small speed increase= followed by a small speed decrease to recover the tempo "click" = is often very audible). I guess I'm just not good enough at drums, even= if I have my style and ideas, and I'm not sure I want to practise many= more years to reach the good level for drums recording ;)

Problem 2: I hate programming rythm boxes :) It's a nightmare for m= e. I own one (MC-505 with a dying display....), I used to own otherl ones, = and even have virtual ones on the iPhone/iPad (BeatMaker, iDrum...), but...= =A0 I mean: setting up a few loops is OK but I need more complexity in the = drums parts, and that's a lot of work...

Then..... I had a dream ;) If I could find a rythm partnerfor recording= =A0 (you know, in the old world, you had a drummer in a band...), that woul= d liberate me totally to focus on my songs, not the drums...

If you= are reading this message and know well about drum machines and love to pro= gram them, please tell me!! Or you can forward to a friend who would be int= erested...

I have ten songs to record ;) We can think about any cooperation, even = paid (yeah) and with Internet it can be very easy to exchange files and so = on...

Well, that's a kind of "message in a bottle", an= y help will be thanked until the end of times, and sorry again if I'm p= olluting this mailing-list!

Ga=EBl.
--20cf301ee7c74f6fdd04c544d92d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 16:05:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C836183463; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:05:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Bo4IRppynJ2NC8LyZ83sY4cB4bae20+6b1RW0eC+R4w=; b=0yahBkIoiN11JhVs0YlMV3xjIYYydW2VgB6vgcHyFoSScCbMwhfayl9lNxSBpqUWup 6bWKrybgxzy6T6Lj0Lo78G/GYKqwLVs/C4fa2woBuMcoe5f8Q6FVYaPmZnLdFEt2TmQP NNSSQpdr5u/LDUiIFKV9IhT+8VnYw0V1f6QwAdtu8DENrWinHlLsRQTe0np/TLEpL8iI 2PNZfIDwSv/0/Nphq4oxF1fKleN6Y5Q2qpXX4QnsPcJrSfwFyE+1ohu7mYUn6zMgUrwN t80JagMNXzFiMpveXGfpcByMTL7ABxtOJEv6aJvmy9Nk5m7wMaXiU6SDm6vk4MGD7Smt YqLw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8CF349AFB24890D-36C-2BF0B@webmail-d173.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF349AFB24890D-36C-2BF0B@webmail-d173.sysops.aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:05:01 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: iPad for Live Looping? From: Mike Fugazzi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0437454701bcc904c5450f6c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:05:04 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0437454701bcc904c5450f6c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Because I use a mic and not guitar, it is easy to clip the Rang post Sans amp. This way, I can eq the loops if need be and boost the level befor hitting my QSC K10. I bought Loopy HD, but noticed it mutes the loops while recording a new loop. I also don't like that you have to chhose the multiplier whereas the Rang let's you do that without multiple restriction. I love the idea of sending my on input in and then being able to split it to new tracks...this makes me want to record with it. Sent from my phone, Mike On Jul 20, 2012 9:28 AM, "michael klobuchar" wrote: > > mike.....interesting placement of the SANS AMP.....what's your reasoning? > > > --f46d0437454701bcc904c5450f6c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Because I use a mic and not guitar, it is easy to clip the Rang post San= s amp.=A0 This way, I can eq the loops if need be and boost the level befor= hitting my QSC K10.

I bought Loopy HD, but noticed it mutes the loops while recording a new = loop.=A0 I also don't like that you have to chhose the multiplier where= as the Rang let's you do that without multiple restriction.

I love the idea of sending my on input in and then being able to split i= t to new tracks...this makes me want to record with it.

Sent from my phone,

Mike

On Jul 20, 2012 9:28 AM, "michael klobuchar= " <nemoguitt@aol.com> w= rote:

mike.....interesting placement of the SANS AMP.....what's your re= asoning?


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--f46d0437454701bcc904c5450f6c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 16:35:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9EFF183462; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:35:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=fE566qTiCJvOMAO9CM13Kwxwg8VKnSozc9d0FzAdMFk=; b=oEYzNu/5X0zeZ7Bch5GZwHbIJv3Q6xnzWsycGTuY3NpAkit5UBT31D8TOPbTPZyfiK D+2D4HNdNmV/kmKi9CHlHjGxtYY/7xayrAs0EE7EyWAEyqqgzLq3vslLsKdhUZkbMqHd +M2yeVuY5/qbY+/duuoz3QtSST7hkxKBLkSo/gZ4FYaY2QurYwdtF1K5YJbJwy/yLjom fSOk+opsnPBLV4OAJX2V0NZazk05ce4WfHqiaHMiu2U/SwZ+lD+pYEEWz3+GwxEJnZak a6VRmVHXRu1vjOYpIxTb8gUt9qtVLxXjCSwxMkhBJx7oYLIQ5nTCVPznSTBe4xeqcjko ziuQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:35:25 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looking for a drum box programmer/partner...! From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:35:26 +0000 (UTC) hi Ga=EBl have a listen to some of my drum programming here - http://simeonharris.bandcamp.com/track/the-space-between-breaths - and here - (kit drums start at 3 mins in) - http://simeonharris.bandcamp.com/track/here-and-now - these are two examples of purely programmed drums that are supposed to sound like a real drummer. i also use loops and samples to construct more electronic sounding stuff, like in this example - http://simeonharris.bandcamp.com/track/escape i'd be interested in creating drum parts for all ten of your tunes, but i would consider it paid work get in touch off list if you're interested at simeon AT simeonharris DOT co DOT uk sim On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Ga=EBl D. wrote: > Then..... I had a dream ;) If I could find a rythm partnerfor recording > (you know, in the old world, you had a drummer in a band...), that would > liberate me totally to focus on my songs, not the drums... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 16:52:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 397C918345B; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:52:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <868B2FCD-F934-45C5-BC77-9ECA322CE456@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--576299052 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:52:00 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:52:09 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--576299052 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Luis, live sound has always been a problem and probably all ways will =20= be. my personal solution is using lower wattage amps 12 or 22 =20 depending on which fender I bring and my vox if I have room for a =20 stereo rig. I use speaker cab DI's would good speaker simulation =20 rather than mics which always run the danger of phase cancellation =20 bleed and the like. I always put my amps on tripod speaker stands =20 facing up and at me, That way i never get an artificial sense of what =20= my treble is doing by being off axis, and it means the sound guy isn't =20= having to turn down the treble on his mixer. BTW Sound guys love me. Sim, I think you are over reacting a bit, and I don't really think =20 you understand where I'm coming from. of course when one rambles like =20= I do its easy to happen.I like choices just like everybody else but i =20= also like to be a master of those choices. The Crayon analogy was =20 about the fact that we as humans are so manipulated by marketing that =20= we believe what advertisers tell us that some how are lives will be =20 less complete without all those extra crayons. We as musicians are =20 driven by the desire to be the first one on the block to own the new =20 toys and I'm sorry to say, but that is a drive created by our own =20 insecurities and ego. We all want that edge. But i have come to a =20 personal place where I have to think long and hard before making a =20 purchase of that magnitude, and more and more I'm trying to curb my =20 GAS tendencies and tame my gear addictions. I can't say I'm cured, but =20= at this point I'd rather spend money if I have it on instruments or a =20= new lap top I desperately need. Do you know how much will power its =20 taken for me to not go in to further debt so I can buy a moog lap =20 steel? And as far as marketing goes, every name guitarist you see in =20= those ads for AXE FX probably was given one for free in exchange for =20 promotion, so of course they are all going to say its the greatest =20 thing since sliced bread. I've been guilty of that on the occasion =20 I've gotten free gear. "guitar legend and acclaimed=93texturalist=94, David Torn, plays and = loves =20 the Kemper" I'd probably be happy as a little girl if one arrived in my mail box =20 as well. I'm naturally a sceptic so those kinds of ads I take with plenty of =20 salt. My overall point about the axe fx is it has way more choices =20 than I'll every use, so yes it does not seem a very good value fto =20 me. You've seen the videos I've posted, all live and all direct, do I =20= seem like I I'm having problems with tone or sound design? To me these =20= are all secondary issues to the actual notes and compositions which is =20= where my focus lies. The bottom line is my gear is working fine and I =20= don't see a need to overhaul it and if i did I might take another look =20= at something like this. Thanks for the offer of help, Sim, I haven't =20 been avoiding the manual, I just like to see how far I can go without =20= one. And I believe its only a matter of time before someone unveils a =20= more modular approach to this type of product, where one actually can =20= pick and choose what they want in the way of amps effects and speaker =20= cabinets rather than being subjected to what the manufacturer wants to =20= sell you. You create lovely music using the AXE FX, Simeon, but that =20= was happening before you got it as well. It works for you and takes =20 care of cartage and travel issue and it sounds good. Don't let my =20 skepticism based on my own musical needs and economic realities fog =20 your party goggles. My opinion is just my opinion , nothing more. I =20 prefer using gear that is easy to tweak on the fly, and back when I =20 was using modeling I always faced the problem of having presets I =20 designed in my home studio, sounding less than stellar when playing =20 live in a completely different acoustic environment and I found paging =20= through menus to tweak eq, not very practical during the course of a =20 performance. If you recall I did say the AXE FX sounds way better than =20= earlier technologies, but that doesn't mean I need or want to spend =20 $2200.00 to affirm that statement. Bill =20= --Apple-Mail-1--576299052 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Luis, live sound has always = been a problem and probably all ways will be. my personal solution is = using lower wattage amps 12 or 22 depending on which fender I bring and = my vox if I have room for a stereo rig. I use speaker cab DI's would = good speaker simulation rather than mics which always run the danger of = phase cancellation bleed and the like. I always put my amps on tripod = speaker stands facing up and at me, That way i never get an artificial = sense of what my treble is doing by being off axis, and it means the = sound guy isn't having to turn down the treble on his mixer. BTW Sound = guys love me.
 Sim, I think you are over reacting a bit, and I = don't really think you understand where I'm coming from. of course when = one rambles like I do its easy to happen.I like choices just like = everybody else but i also like to be a master of those choices. The = Crayon analogy was about the fact that we as humans are so manipulated = by marketing that we believe what advertisers tell us that some how are = lives will be less complete without all those extra crayons. We as = musicians  are driven by the desire to be the first one on the = block to own the new toys and I'm sorry to say, but that is a drive = created by our own insecurities and ego. We all want that edge. But i = have come to a personal place where I have to think long and hard before = making a purchase of that magnitude, and more and more I'm trying to = curb my GAS tendencies and tame my gear addictions. I can't say I'm = cured, but at this point I'd rather spend money if I have it on = instruments or a new lap top I desperately need. Do you know how much = will power its taken for me to not go in to further debt so I can buy a = moog lap steel?  And as far as marketing goes, every name guitarist = you see in those ads for AXE FX probably was given one for free in = exchange for promotion, so of course they are all going to say its the = greatest thing since sliced bread.  I've been guilty of that on the = occasion I've gotten free gear. 

"guitar legend and acclaimed=93texturalist=94, David Torn, plays and loves the = Kemper"

I'd probably be happy as a little girl if = one arrived in my mail box as well.
I'm naturally a sceptic so = those kinds of ads I take with plenty of salt. My overall point about = the axe fx is it has way more choices than I'll every use, so yes =  it does not seem a very good value fto me. You've seen the videos = I've posted, all live and all direct, do I seem like I I'm having = problems with tone or sound design? To me these are all secondary issues = to the actual notes and compositions which is where my focus lies. =  The bottom line is my gear is working fine and I don't see a need = to overhaul it and if i did I might take another look at something like = this. Thanks for the offer of help, Sim, I haven't been avoiding the = manual, I just like to see how far I can go without one. And I believe = its only a matter of time before someone unveils a more modular approach = to this type of product, where one actually can pick and choose what = they want in the way of amps effects and speaker cabinets rather than = being subjected to what the manufacturer wants to sell you.  You = create lovely music using the AXE FX, Simeon, but that was happening = before you got it as well. It works for you and takes care of cartage = and travel issue and it sounds good. Don't let my skepticism based on my = own musical needs and economic realities fog your party goggles. My = opinion is just my opinion , nothing more. I prefer using gear that is = easy to tweak on the fly, and back when I was using modeling I always = faced the problem of having presets I designed in my home studio, = sounding less than stellar when playing live in a completely different = acoustic environment and I found paging through menus to tweak eq, not = very practical during the course of a performance. If you recall I did = say the AXE FX sounds way better than earlier technologies, but that = doesn't mean I need or want to spend $2200.00 to affirm that = statement.
 Bill
 
= --Apple-Mail-1--576299052-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 17:02:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BFD1B18345C; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:02:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=SsZPTDUtdcAADhLf6jLOUboePSs3elGiAtk6Srr/3w8=; b=Z4hC7NMHRXaq9rh06/nX2+JGm2G+PuzHi7ejt0sQrjsmFpdD0pexFPx8y6DnfO/C3w DlmpFfy1J1fCN4PIABPEYCPAd1B+ekOg3j2wg+gJ3zd3aGNslN9aHDEf27OPOpUJAziX GRhdXmEM6JKxkEV8BY47e9liClWFjRGHcRo3UVHAC3G4D+m1H8bsfpq/pK4wsGjh5Qay 4XhMtXLXhYQARovR2YlBgiJcaO1jLse9uruwiG7e7JUxFJRSTARGOXtcV0RY0DsJMWTk 52yebfdf3HbKbXO0k5S9vDNsVBgIwpqM5nV3+3X19sDDOHrEJ94O6RUBH2VRFoi8/7Da KOHA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <868B2FCD-F934-45C5-BC77-9ECA322CE456@baymoon.com> References: <868B2FCD-F934-45C5-BC77-9ECA322CE456@baymoon.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 18:02:58 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:02:59 +0000 (UTC) yes bill, i was probably overreacting and i apologise if you felt my responses were disrespectful in any way. that wasn't my intention and you must know i have an enormous amount of respect for you and your music. it's just that i've seen it time and time again - someone gets hold of a complicated bit of gear...spends a couple of days fooling with it and then comes to the conclusion that it's no good because they can't get what they want out of it right away. now i'm not lumping you in with those guys, but i reacted as if you were one of those guys and as an unabashed axe-lover i can get a bit defensive sometimes! the offer of help still stands...so if you feel your learning curve might be shortened a bit with some advice, then i'd be happy to try and offer some. sim On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 5:52 PM, William Walker wrote: > Sim, I think you are over reacting a bit, and I don't really think you > understand where I'm coming from. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 17:11:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA29B183464; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:11:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 360087.88336.bm@omp1004.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1342804292; bh=fqLHXnaVqVQWt7BMu5yOlNkFhBTvtDnhDrKGBsG341A=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1D8h2lE68hk7vEF+8RkCCExPjWdSsT9xLiN4foW/9/mPCEyrzRONCy/DnFbeQUoGAadWPiD6Gd5Oh8vMWi3eoS11+hojyO2a8WNWLi9Tyq8qsyav3qZwOXwgVF3c58iMON2thbXAVNFEMPzyCO7/277pz9rA46vJnXqV+NleQIc= X-YMail-OSG: G7N.CGsVM1lcQkt_Z1QV_6OE1cVz7.YObspav1VyQ47zP3n Tfyew6M7_K.20Qw0xcn_mo_rUBf5SXmWM1PbbmhHzKMLvmR1CTWbaVAVM52C dokpm.zjgjPUYF.KcjLhVWgqyJJwmul4QxweQSYxyq0e7o960gEE2LVorWFY 6aKdZALIpg5HPBtPq1zY0T8KXLMqoA98qNnFhWP80LwAU0H5WaomaK4rMAMZ BkL.WMO6OvWQYkHiKrChKzDmwMUFjJpcxCpT3OyV3uddO60_jU5bQmzW.wVB 7.z0mhyiImz.HCrlJYmprx8C5JuctXqQGqDDGRPJyW70AEVfzyXn1R55EaLy 3teTouCz7X9t7ksKs.V9Aoz69xDwS58X.UWKWanq6zAomfwxHtDBS7dgn8jS mfI3pAZ2tfJb4NfL9rCAdPj4.lYqrF6qg7DqMLQJoeQEcXqxEUikZzXKL7II lGbP_QiF4CfN4709idO3ratdVuv6b_hOCIQAZ43SnZh3gP_ZsXQOPHqjuYVD ZhvKwfQ50N1_Kbj40BItuR5AlLSeXJob5C3zV__8ADnm96I2WWyNQDh2Ul.h OJE8hWvLZptAfxlvIvFwbCeokKwlu854EbSWmxC.dMLYhCCrEZAk.IA2.paQ p7k22TYLbe.mcJjMvRjNMITvVMdx5su9nPcoWsXEOUGggz9LnaPWS.qDYxal KGaMvcfRxZIlTjBLsw7raOtNWCXu2K5UzFptjwuvjDR7OCdHz8NgK6N8lHg- - X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1342804292.95033.YahooMailClassic@web84503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:11:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Mungenast Subject: Re: Kemper Profilier Amp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <190FBFE8-7F17-4AEE-80F7-EDC6C9192E8C@baymoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-861880492-1108444816-1342804292=:95033" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:11:34 +0000 (UTC) ---861880492-1108444816-1342804292=:95033 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK, Bill, you have made me think I need to buy that Reverbojet that a frien= d of mine is waving under my nose. :-) Most of my mostly-looping CD "Steam-Powered Mars Lander" was done with my 1= 968 Vox Nova 1x8 combo. I adore that amp, which, at 15 watts, is actually t= oo loud for some venues. Probably the best-sounding solid-state amp ever, m= aybe due to its having an output transformer.=20 Tim Mungenast Editor/Writer/Proofreader: www.linkedin.com/in/timmungenast Guitarist/Composer/Vocalist: www.reverbnation.com/timmungenast --- On Fri, 7/20/12, William Walker wrote: From: William Walker Subject: Re: Kemper Profilier Amp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Friday, July 20, 2012, 12:25 AM cliff posted this clip. one half is the real amp, the other is the axe fx. just in case there was still any doubt about the accuracy of digital models -=A0http://www.fractalaudio.com/tmp/sherbert2plus.mp3=A0- it's channel 2 of the diezel herbert...an amp head that costs more than the axe fx. Ok you convinced me, I don't want to buy the amp either :-) the first examp= le =A0sounds harsher to my ear with more noise floor, the second one sounds= gated and slighter smoother, unfortunately the tones are not my aesthetic = cup of tea. =A0Where I find the modeling technology is most obviously fake = sounding is in the clean to mildly overdriven tones, where the harshness in= the high frequencies is more noticeable, =A0 the kind of amps =A0that have= wider dynamic range, more tactile response and are not overly gain-y and c= ompressed like these tones are. So I give up, which is which? =A0i agree th= e sounds have vastly improved, but I still think its overpriced. I think mo= st =A0boutique amps are overpriced, but at least with them you know they wi= ll hold there value and last forever.=A0example: =A020 years ago I bought a= vintage princeton reverb for $500 I got a good deal at the time but that a= mp can now fetch between $1500-2500, whereas the Pod pro I bought for aroun= d the same money might fetch $200 If sold used today if I'm lucky. I still h= ave the princeton. my main amp for club work and sessionsBill ---861880492-1108444816-1342804292=:95033 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OK, Bill, you have made me think I need to bu= y that Reverbojet that a friend of mine is waving under my nose. :-)
Most of my mostly-looping CD "Steam-Powered Mars Lander" was done with my = 1968 Vox Nova 1x8 combo. I adore that amp, which, at 15 watts, is actually = too loud for some venues. Probably the best-sounding solid-state amp ever, = maybe due to its having an output transformer.



Tim Mung= enast
Editor/Writer/Proofreader:= www.linkedin.com/in/timmunge= nast
Guitarist/Composer/Vocalist: www.reverbnati= on.com/timmungenast

--- On Fri, 7/20/12, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
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From: William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>
Subject: Re: Kem= per Profilier Amp
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Frida= y, July 20, 2012, 12:25 AM

cliff posted this clip. one half is the re= al amp, the other is the axe
fx. just in case there was still any doubt about the accuracy = of
digital models - = http://www.fractalaudio.com/tmp/sherbert2plus.mp3 -
it's channel 2 of the diezel herbert...an amp head that costs more
than the axe fx.
Ok you convinced me, I don't want to buy the amp either := -) the first example  sounds harsher to my ear with more noise floor, = the second one sounds gated and slighter smoother, unfortunately the tones = are not my aesthetic cup of tea.  Where I find the modeling technology= is most obviously fake sounding is in the clean to mildly overdriven tones= , where the harshness in the high frequencies is more noticeable,   th= e kind of amps  that have wider dynamic range, more tactile response a= nd are not overly gain-y and compressed like these tones are. So I give up, which= is which?  i agree the sounds have vastly improved, but I still think= its overpriced. I think most  boutique amps are overpriced, but at le= ast with them you know they will hold there value and last forever. 
example:  20 years ago I bought a vintage princeton reverb fo= r $500 I got a good deal at the time but that amp can now fetch between $15= 00-2500, whereas the Pod pro I bought for around the same money might fetch= $200 If sold used today if I'm lucky. I still have the princeton. my main = amp for club work and sessions
Bill
---861880492-1108444816-1342804292=:95033-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 17:57:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01757183463; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:57:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=gDjbsfu5eZZuD7FGfzoj7R8Vg7EQ93diUqTw80KKySQ= c=1 sm=2 a=5apUdgKh_u8A:10 a=agWTFdhlyG4A:10 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=OUXYneDTAAAA:8 a=vPS_ecYq_ov7Kw3BaMcA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=053Au2P4wpAA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 X-Telus-Outbound-IP: 172.218.130.250 From: richard sales Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--572403739 Subject: Re: Kemper Profilier Amp or, careful with that Axe FX, Eugene Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:56:56 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <48617C24-910A-435D-8F0D-DC849D9C200D@baymoon.com> Message-Id: <2CBBAFE9-0E05-422D-B46D-7D7433D89874@glasswing.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <-mWYeD.A._uB.xvZCQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:57:05 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--572403739 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A fascinating debate. I've been ogling the AXE FX for a while now. The = simplicity of transport/cartage is very compelling - esp when you fly to = gigs and are at the mercy of backline, which can be extremely hit or = miss - often disastrous & painful if you love tone.=20 I've heard (if I recall right) your stuff on the AXE FX site, Simeon, = and liked it a lot. Of course, I've also heard Bill's stuff and like it = a lot.=20 And I don't really like a whole lot these days. I enjoy a lot, but = really like very little. Old, jaded, probably millions of hours of = music have danced thru these old ears. Bill's point about the value decline of digital stuff drives me crazy. = That's why I'm more inclined to buy amps and fine guitars. I've spent = many many tens of thousands of bucks on digital stuff - big Pro Tools = rigs and the plugins etc. It's incredibly depressing to spend $25K on = something that's worth MAYBE 8K five to eight years later. It pays for = itself always, but just bugs me. The digital world is a capitalist's = wet dream.=20 Sound should always come first, so I take these losses to keep the work = and creative juices flowing. But when it comes to guitars and amps, the = old school in me tends to dominate, given ALL the considerations. If I start touring a lot more, I will most definitely get an AXE FX. = It's a no brainer. As far as colors and choices - great art can be done with pencil and = paper (Tele and Vibrolux) or the entire rainbow of colors and technique = (monster pedal boards, tweaked synth guitars). It's all in the = imagination. Imagination comes first, middle and last when it comes to = art. The rest is just the lifeless wooden board, brushes and gooey oils = we use to translate our imaginations into the ears and eyes of the = appreciative. We are artists! It's semi pointless to debate our mediums. But I do = enjoy the debates. richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.goodnaturefarms.com On Jul 20, 2012, at 4:34 AM, Simeon Harris wrote: > ppps bill, I'd be happy to offer any help and advice I can. I can send = you some patches, or talk you through dual amp layouts etc. Just send me = a pm.=20 >=20 > Sim --Apple-Mail-2--572403739 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii A = fascinating debate.  I've been ogling the AXE FX for a while now. =  The simplicity of transport/cartage is very compelling - esp when = you fly to gigs and are at the mercy of backline, which can be extremely = hit or miss - often disastrous & painful if you love = tone. 
= --Apple-Mail-2--572403739-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 18:15:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D8F2183465; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 18:15:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 362912.70799.bm@omp1012.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1342808132; bh=zV0ZaFORyKw1Qa4bLvTRpHRHBuWmRRytktgIFahFVjU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pNsjy2urzTlcqG3ljpzWsaRs5rcyU8tMf5TowQDriPWUPHM8v16UQu9F3mYEIungR3+VVZAgg+6pUGoOPTbLLknKQux/H6rIdXI/yEtFjvhO4ZpjfQhctKzwSebRuN8wNk7iLACy3FRpXwLECpsQQwckjcrkoDIw8HpbVby3nH0= X-YMail-OSG: LevQgP0VM1npuhemBAn6CqUE.2j.ePYA92c2NaT4FY65xiN W_8SpFGvka7Su0MO__uZNnmy8Sgh9Hiznau89otd7sXZBa_iduZrB1sDG07r ljZ1A2WlboDBZg8q2KZFwjfrho5UwhF6QNDFzlfEHqjFTVI_JVcuncZAaEgD 7TXfA0zctWST3Z7ucg789pVUsvs.mbiyy6RVOEEnTS9Mr31e2Qq0YSKH3NY8 TwC6qXeL8qT69XihBK3kfSmPaoRLZJbEsJ6.tpTdmNnZETs8vfDxb_F7WHQ8 E9Fx7WO_vSJwORatJ0GYq4Rj8IYhTXRE4264NZki46K8JtOq_UuyxFzsEeZO tPyaU1sKWsoX2GJFGcbVytFQYvegvX.dpqgQX_99twQwVoHNkdyHs6YDSavR RWKtFvZHA_Z_s5PPu8STmrdY4GZOQe7E0CjSl2BcWV4l6_4UmJJJ2gcX2HnG wN4pVMf5JHTbJuSDtLlNXSDivT5KDU.pcTa0Ok1MmlkF71UU2DmYfJsaDNF4 ZW.qulhlFUGZoaSm3GKFC8ek..ME9I._ENRJ1PyVctEYhNeW1C7cfbPW5mLT bVHgxs6.ThGAZqVDd_A7b8tPTdGvi9rkQ9TC00tpvivVhh24htYIU3_rb1cn o0BtxY..U5mLtJXpombHwgvkgZIsUT45AkvZRmLWHwceoihodZxYaGCUhHcD tC6bKWS6MUWlRdtzUVLoB8OW4jlot2KRNejbWk4_SUDXCjnWmufhf8XoLJuL MvKDdD7Y- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1342808132.79165.YahooMailClassic@web84508.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:15:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Mungenast Subject: Re: Kemper Profilier Amp or, careful with that Axe FX, Eugene To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2CBBAFE9-0E05-422D-B46D-7D7433D89874@glasswing.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-20871971-692628058-1342808132=:79165" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 18:15:35 +0000 (UTC) ---20871971-692628058-1342808132=:79165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The tools of creation are, themsleves, creations, and can be admired as suc= h. --- On Fri, 7/20/12, richard sales wrote: From: richard sales Subject: Re: Kemper Profilier Amp or, careful with that Axe FX, Eugene To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Friday, July 20, 2012, 1:56 PM A fascinating debate. =A0I've been ogling the AXE FX for a while now. =A0Th= e simplicity of transport/cartage is very compelling - esp when you fly to = gigs and are at the mercy of backline, which can be extremely hit or miss -= often disastrous & painful if you love tone.=A0I've heard (if I recall rig= ht) your stuff on the AXE FX site, Simeon, and liked it a lot. Of course, I= 've also heard Bill's stuff and like it a lot.=A0And I don't really like a = whole lot these days. I enjoy a lot, but really like very little. =A0Old, j= aded, probably millions of hours of music have danced thru these old ears.B= ill's point about the value decline of digital stuff drives me crazy. =A0Th= at's why I'm more inclined to buy amps and fine guitars. =A0I've spent many= many tens of thousands of bucks on digital stuff - big Pro Tools rigs and = the plugins etc. =A0It's incredibly depressing to spend $25K on something t= hat's worth MAYBE 8K five to eight years later. =A0It pays for itself alway= s, but just bugs me. =A0The digital world is a capitalist's wet dream.=A0 Sound should always come first, so I take these losses to keep the work and= creative juices flowing. =A0But when it comes to guitars and amps, the old= school in me tends to dominate, given ALL the considerations.If I start to= uring a lot more, I will most definitely get an AXE FX. =A0It's a no braine= r. As far as colors and choices - great art can be done with pencil and paper = (Tele and Vibrolux) or the entire rainbow of colors and technique (monster = pedal boards, tweaked synth guitars). =A0It's all in the imagination. =A0Im= agination comes first, middle and last when it comes to art. =A0The rest is= just the lifeless wooden board, brushes and gooey oils we use to translate= our imaginations into the ears and eyes of the appreciative. We are artists! =A0It's semi pointless to debate our mediums. =A0But I do e= njoy the debates. =0Arichard saleswww.glasswing.comwww.richardsales.comwww.hayleysales.comwww= .goodnaturefarms.com =0A=0A On Jul 20, 2012, at 4:34 AM, Simeon Harris wrote: ppps bill, I'd be happy to offer any help and advice I can. I can send you = some patches, or talk you through dual amp layouts etc. Just send me a pm.= =20 Sim ---20871971-692628058-1342808132=:79165 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= /tr>

The tools of creation are, themsleves, cr= eations, and can be admired as such.



--- On Fri, 7/20/12,= richard sales <richard@glasswing.com> wrote:

From: richard sales <richard@glasswing.com>
Su= bject: Re: Kemper Profilier Amp or, careful with that Axe FX, Eugene
To:= Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Friday, July 20, 2012, 1:56 P= M

A fascinating debate.  I've bee= n ogling the AXE FX for a while now.  The simplicity of transport/cart= age is very compelling - esp when you fly to gigs and are at the mercy of b= ackline, which can be extremely hit or miss - often disastrous & painfu= l if you love tone. 
I've heard (if I recall right) your stuff on = the AXE FX site, Simeon, and liked it a lot. Of course, I've also heard Bill's stu= ff and like it a lot. 
And I don't really like a whole lot these d= ays. I enjoy a lot, but really like very little.  Old, jaded, probably= millions of hours of music have danced thru these old ears.
Bill= 's point about the value decline of digital stuff drives me crazy.  Th= at's why I'm more inclined to buy amps and fine guitars.  I've spent m= any many tens of thousands of bucks on digital stuff - big Pro Tools rigs a= nd the plugins etc.  It's incredibly depressing to spend $25K on somet= hing that's worth MAYBE 8K five to eight years later.  It pays for its= elf always, but just bugs me.  The digital world is a capitalist's wet= dream. 

Sound should always come first, so I= take these losses to keep the work and creative juices flowing.  But = when it comes to guitars and amps, the old school in me tends to dominate, given ALL the considerations.
If I start touring a lot= more, I will most definitely get an AXE FX.  It's a no brainer.
=

As far as colors and choices - great art can be done wi= th pencil and paper (Tele and Vibrolux) or the entire rainbow of colors and= technique (monster pedal boards, tweaked synth guitars).  It's all in= the imagination.  Imagination comes first, middle and last when it co= mes to art.  The rest is just the lifeless wooden board, brushes and g= ooey oils we use to translate our imaginations into the ears and eyes of th= e appreciative.

We are artists!  It's semi po= intless to debate our mediums.  But I do enjoy the debates.
=
=0A
richard sales<= /div>
www.g= lasswing.com
=

<= /div>







=
=0A
=0A
= On Jul 20, 2012, at 4:34 AM, Simeon Harris wrote:

ppps bill, I= 'd be happy to offer any help and advice I can. I can send you some patches= , or talk you through dual amp layouts etc. Just send me a pm.

Sim<= br>

---20871971-692628058-1342808132=:79165-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 19:46:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD583183462; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 19:46:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lFOjxdfMdBQdQAHgonXwS1CvROc1VuCTBAheEcW2zTc=; b=ef1z2C1F1Gij3oNuXdEuynI9dNGi58yn8QgsHcU9l6RIprv1nwqCCST0uMcF6sgWr3 2E+jES1Z/APeDAoQVJnzw/wAhqtgWKrdwAtBrK/GJ8f4fr6d/Ur6sHeQDidru5Lascv2 j5OvyV3Dmp4hwjkub84RTuhvN6Jbehz13pE29+K7atGDZR8VAUJZduiBtRV5ZA41WTTE Os8cAZhsBb8iewzazG42yKqPYebZf57slNYkaxOI4xQws6SV6b8h8IbzWbL7N/+EHWnr ttUvVXLl0G1yhjcFHJ/lk4ANfr/xrRz9aIM+z+tM4LMm+cVAOCF/2kPgrv2WdzLM3+bP 5GEQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 21:46:24 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looking for a drum box programmer/partner...! From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ga=EBl_D=2E?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 19:46:25 +0000 (UTC) Hi Simeon, thank you very much for your answer! I'm contacting you on your private ema= il. Greets, Ga=EBl On 7/20/12, Simeon Harris wrote: > hi Ga=EBl > > have a listen to some of my drum programming here - > http://simeonharris.bandcamp.com/track/the-space-between-breaths - and > here - (kit drums start at 3 mins in) - > http://simeonharris.bandcamp.com/track/here-and-now - these are two > examples of purely programmed drums that are supposed to sound like a > real drummer. i also use loops and samples to construct more > electronic sounding stuff, like in this example - > http://simeonharris.bandcamp.com/track/escape > > i'd be interested in creating drum parts for all ten of your tunes, > but i would consider it paid work > > get in touch off list if you're interested at simeon AT simeonharris > DOT co DOT uk > > sim > > On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Ga=EBl D. wrote: > >> Then..... I had a dream ;) If I could find a rythm partnerfor recording >> (you know, in the old world, you had a drummer in a band...), that would >> liberate me totally to focus on my songs, not the drums... > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 19:57:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2216F183462; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 19:57:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 564 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 19:57:37 UTC X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvwEAGi1CVAyaD+h/2dsb2JhbABFuVCDJwEBAQMBOAJECwtGV4ggBqsPk3eLToNEgjxgA4hNklGNLg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,625,1336348800"; d="scan'208";a="274352648" X-Originating-IP: [50.104.63.161] X-Previous-IP: 50.104.63.161 Message-Id: <34AC9C3D-F22B-422A-8E5F-6CD64B43F303@frontier.com> From: Jeff Shirkey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Kemper Profilier Amp or, careful with that Axe FX, Eugene Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:47:33 -0500 References: <48617C24-910A-435D-8F0D-DC849D9C200D@baymoon.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <3LT_EC.A.4_C.xgbCQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 19:57:37 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 20, 2012, at 5:54 AM, Simeon Harris wrote: > bill said - "why does sounding good have to equate with a bunch of > parameters that have very subtle effect, and a huge assortment of > options? I'm saying that if you only use 1/4 of what's available in a > device it doesn't strike me as a particularly good value" I think the deep editing potential of the Axe II gives users the option to explore and tweak to their heart's content, if they so desire. But it's also very easy to get great sounding tones with very little editing/tweaking. If having too many options produces anxiety in some users, then it's easy to ignore all of those extra menus and parameters. I think it's pretty simple to find inspiring tones and get down to the business of creating music. If, on the other hand, you really like to explore every single parameter under the sun, the Axe II is a dream come true for those types. Seems to me both bases--and both types of end users-- are covered. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 23:08:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABD86183460; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 23:08:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_93ec45e4-c576-4d77-8d51-201bf08e345f_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Some more looping with the Octatrack and guitar.. Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 23:08:42 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2012 23:08:41.0915 (UTC) FILETIME=[9ABE80B0:01CD66CC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 23:08:46 +0000 (UTC) --_93ec45e4-c576-4d77-8d51-201bf08e345f_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nope it doesent.. yet thanks for listning=2C.. > Date: Thu=2C 19 Jul 2012 00:21:12 +0200 > Subject: Re: Some more looping with the Octatrack and guitar.. > From: perboysen@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > Cool sounds there! >=20 > Can the Octatrack send and receive digital audio through its USB port? > (Contemplating the possibility to put it in a USB send/return loop to > a Axe-FX2...) >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 > On Thu=2C Jul 19=2C 2012 at 12:10 AM=2C Anders Bergdahl > wrote: > > As you mght know the Elektron Octatrack is now a "proper" looper.. with= the > > addition of the "Pickup machine".. here I use two track with the Pickup > > machine and two tracks that are set to replay stuff from one of the loo= p > > tracks on "flex" machine=2C that means that they are triggered with the > > sequencer and that it is possible to to more extrem playback effects.. = (such > > as having a melody on the sequencer). > > A lot of effects on the two pickup machies as well=2C phaser=2C distort= ion and > > filters.. FUN little box this Octatrack... > > > > http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/91point8bpm > > > > (Guitar is a brand new Soloway that has a Supro lapsteel pickup... ) >=20 = --_93ec45e4-c576-4d77-8d51-201bf08e345f_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nope it doesent.. yet

 =3Bthanks for listning=2C..

>=3B Dat= e: Thu=2C 19 Jul 2012 00:21:12 +0200
>=3B Subject: Re: Some more loopi= ng with the Octatrack and guitar..
>=3B From: perboysen@gmail.com
&= gt=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B
>=3B Cool sou= nds there!
>=3B
>=3B Can the Octatrack send and receive digital = audio through its USB port?
>=3B (Contemplating the possibility to put= it in a USB send/return loop to
>=3B a Axe-FX2...)
>=3B
>= =3B Greetings from Sweden
>=3B
>=3B Per Boysen
>=3B www.per= boysen.com
>=3B http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>=3B
>=3B =
>=3B On Thu=2C Jul 19=2C 2012 at 12:10 AM=2C Anders Bergdahl
>= =3B <=3Banders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com>=3B wrote:
>=3B >=3B As yo= u mght know the Elektron Octatrack is now a "proper" looper.. with the
&= gt=3B >=3B addition of the "Pickup machine".. here I use two track with t= he Pickup
>=3B >=3B machine and two tracks that are set to replay st= uff from one of the loop
>=3B >=3B tracks on "flex" machine=2C that = means that they are triggered with the
>=3B >=3B sequencer and that = it is possible to to more extrem playback effects.. (such
>=3B >=3B = as having a melody on the sequencer).
>=3B >=3B A lot of effects on = the two pickup machies as well=2C phaser=2C distortion and
>=3B >=3B= filters.. FUN little box this Octatrack...
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >= =3B http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/91point8bpm
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&= gt=3B >=3B (Guitar is a brand new Soloway that has a Supro lapsteel picku= p... )
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= --_93ec45e4-c576-4d77-8d51-201bf08e345f_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 23:12:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB951183474; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 23:12:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_2c9524f2-5960-476b-82d2-b55978ae1024_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: 21CENTURY sCHIZIOD gUITAR (some 21st century looping on the Octatrack,.. Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 23:12:42 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2012 23:12:42.0029 (UTC) FILETIME=[29DCFDD0:01CD66CD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 23:12:47 +0000 (UTC) --_2c9524f2-5960-476b-82d2-b55978ae1024_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Three looping (pickup macines) some mutilated samples pre-fixed while jammi= ng.. but this is a pure "live" take.. all you hear is Octatrack and guitar.= .. http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/21century-schizoid-guitar Cheers (taking a sip of Westmalle Double) = --_2c9524f2-5960-476b-82d2-b55978ae1024_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Three looping (pickup macines) some mutilated samples pre-fixed while jammi= ng.. but this is a pure "live" take.. all you hear is Octatrack and guitar.= ..


Cheers (taking a sip of Westmalle Double) =3B=
= --_2c9524f2-5960-476b-82d2-b55978ae1024_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 23:34:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5100F183464; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 23:34:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=/Obolfxo0gURIzb51SbZVsOTukt40YltImuxSb4NrWo=; b=Cey7qH/j0MtZb5BhINfhreN54UGPXssJ8d98/Y3n+KJdPTmPtYf73+WLbNL02DdXUZ qHEl8PJcY//cDDYnVhO8n7mLaypE3ljYpR/MusDsKe0NlHmS6RjO/UbXj/SilJ6eUAHv CUs1mLNs5+yulpqRgp2z35VxqQhllT4d0jAqYdCObGhiSba3Rsgyh0kVUYtsqNd2Mm06 ifCDcnorPnxSAkYTNk5ele00/wDIeakGf5fxL+HMQvzmlJhsVIQWVnSne2yXSw3EuqB6 Gnl0MTW+vQDFUEatBeC7CC+v/OzepHttxkTlPLYuF5twKaaDNe+FpQN76QqQR3oZ8peW kKGQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:34:10 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 21CENTURY sCHIZIOD gUITAR (some 21st century looping on the Octatrack,.. From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 23:34:12 +0000 (UTC) Nice, I quite enjoyed that. Kevin On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: > Three looping (pickup macines) some mutilated samples pre-fixed while > jamming.. but this is a pure "live" take.. all you hear is Octatrack and > guitar... > > http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/21century-schizoid-guitar > > Cheers (taking a sip of Westmalle Double) -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 00:27:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB72C183463; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 00:27:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <4F2CB4B6-70FF-43D2-899C-1C0F4430009C@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: its all good Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:27:10 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 00:27:18 +0000 (UTC) Hey Sim no worries dude and mucho respect right back at you, I am sometime sarcastic and that doesn't translate as well via e-mail. I also know what i like and my tools are working for me. I also am highly charged right now because I don't like how consumerist we have become, perhaps more so in America than anywhere else, we are being consumed by our consumerism, the desire for more material things more cheaply has driven our manufacturing jobs off shore,and wrecked our economy. That great addiction, Greed rules the day. I just read today that the founder of Amazon publicly stated that his goal is to drive all brick and mortar stores out of business and also announced next day shipping anywhere in the country as amazon is establishing warehouses in as many states as they can. This is the kind of greed and hubris that has been going on for far too long in our country, and most people can't even give a shit as long as they can get what they want when they want it , for the price they want to pay. So I probably won't have a day job before to long, unless we can get our e business jump started, though oddly i still seem to be the guy my local "peers" want to visit and glean information from.... before they buy it on line at their convenience, save the tax and perhaps the freight and never leave their computer. because they don't get that taxes actually pay for things we need like good roads and good schools, and a safe community. so to summarize i'm pretty anti consumption right now, which is probably why I might have come off a bit inflammatory. I'm like the guy in Network, "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore" Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 03:38:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6869C183466; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 03:38:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <4FD4A7F8.9010708@tiscali.co.uk> <18529826-7CEC-463E-A20C-47C7D871B596@gmail.com> <4FD4DEC4.9000707@tiscali.co.uk> <50083C5F.1010108@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50083C5F.1010108@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Tonight's Show Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 04:38:23 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 03:38:26 +0000 (UTC) A new Audio Tarot Bone Throw show tonight, this one called "Birthday", archived for your leisurely enjoyment. http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/24130727 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 08:18:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF487183466; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 08:18:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <500A65BE.2040303@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 04:18:06 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Thought Radio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0KZTm.A.dj.EXmCQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 08:18:12 +0000 (UTC) THOUGHT RADIO: http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio ======================================================================= My next stint on Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show, will be Saturday, July 21 at 6 am EDT/GMT-4. In Phase One, I will continue the special on Sequences Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. I host the show every other week. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 12:31:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50204183464; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 12:31:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=G5qlOBBs0p19WgtemF8LfaFEJdBRxItZnlYV37re0vk=; b=1IOVHAyIedzEVH/Yn/sGz0VeFLrlqgzov0w0ah4iAMUM46cuKd76/lj6WkystUUwJd NmWaGQ0mj8tG3nToGXZISUgBgTqhc23XGkrEe6p9Y1HwM0o/2zvb+jtdGUW4XyRtewQ2 4LUKqhuTx+Z6ehA0TSQeDM95V2+TOofN0KrDUazVJbxlRz7im6O3HIjEI2hm5RdJQDod P0EEwdk+Sf1uI+5nKHAfhFDxa8FdyzgKYHpM9h3xkG+DZxUc1/dl4yobZs4wk1YLLsp/ 63cq5Ujuw0RyULVqdw8hyp6bm9Ju5jTOtBGWLZ4LzwFZwxxnDjcjtee+WhG6mpLWy2DF ceIQ== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Subject: Re: 21CENTURY sCHIZIOD gUITAR (some 21st century looping on the Octatrack,.. From: philip In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 21:31:12 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 12:31:46 +0000 (UTC) That was nice!! What was the repeating distorted metronomic rhythm sample that faded = away at the end? Philip= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 22:37:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E644183464; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 22:37:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 921001.6436.bm@omp1007.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1342910231; bh=JbwTonft7GJUiKqRNYK7ZwTAOhB5ZiqN1eVfM3iGTE4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lKN2z8yoEMS2a72L0JDAaPX7I9Vm3QlFbBgV3NYgHOWhfMXXFoUkdZydT/H9fektjNq2YSeTx7KDOv116SWCY5IehxorjHP92T88YGve5DJmliJfe8Elb+q4lsfLOkn4V8qALhVZzYY4kRmDE0i5NK/6lAdE5DITujHpW0u1oB0= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=e1Gy8LPpac8A+sCuqW6xGfneuO4QHDX9VwHkp4eupTtBYuLX5zHxTnDt1UUvcBmxvmnDB4cfAcU3o5MvmV02sMNXc4nR2mIVazYOkjygNx/JY0hbN8S70JqC+epw/XurivNXiR1s5gPyfLkDbqWzyWpgRlxdtvLrzXOyEkSzSgg=; X-YMail-OSG: V00.824VM1l9QqJw1NcUXn7tjxnCFx8grI.uYzNMWJWNIo1 yjs_4TrTWohTo6HfVjYkn5AFF9K6qDY4KM_IExlFfGh2QJlry73w8m1jdUWQ 4gFmyekzG8omZg9Xnqz_Tj_0OlEXWkca5F3Vmg4plPCgQBGdL0ah1eR1Rigb lA27jDZxO5SGLGKvm6hrk0V1u1VOyDjnBMA8D2OQ3PUm8QoTar9HbL8CqQN5 cjx18WxBozqyl485abBda5nqY3cNDiIpUeda.0kF3mYrODo8kuY4QosMjy3U FCp2Kue9PUGGW6KtA8rByMnHA2MCnupwclrwdOt5YSkkK5r71IKR577YSezS mNiCvtJeVNleUrMmhhXdqI9IOfn_1x4Ls70Mfvz6fFhauTlzy4dQbWz84.M6 3nYv_d_wW6IoghuJttM78bnV57v_jgsoGVQMpgO321v0gJrJmJThMy3LlFZA p_RoPLQlMd35vTusUGtLurS10wzQrJsundPeRInBVouLqZwSACz_5JA9ZNNS 3xMqkR.Hq3HO8TQBr3SKABclhFYGG6Q-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: <868B2FCD-F934-45C5-BC77-9ECA322CE456@baymoon.com> Message-ID: <1342910231.35222.YahooMailNeo@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 15:37:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Reply-To: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <868B2FCD-F934-45C5-BC77-9ECA322CE456@baymoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-985778932-908287714-1342910231=:35222" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 22:37:12 +0000 (UTC) ---985778932-908287714-1342910231=:35222 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A=0A=A0=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A__________________= ______________=0A From: William Walker =0ATo: Loope= rs-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Friday, July 20, 2012 6:52 PM=0ASub= ject: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A =0ABill Wrote:=0A=0A=0A=0AThanx Bill,ca= n you give me an example of this DIs and speaker sims or a link of good one= s? i trust your expertise!=0Acheers=0ALuis ---985778932-908287714-1342910231=:35222 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 
http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
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From: William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, July 20, 2= 012 6:52 PM
Subject: L= oopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Bill Wrote:
<I use speaker cab DI's would good speaker simulation rather than mics which = always run the danger of phase cancellation bleed and the like.>

Thanx Bill,can you give me an example of this DIs and spe= aker sims or a link of good ones? i trust your expertise!
cheers<= /div>
Luis
 


---985778932-908287714-1342910231=:35222-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 21 22:49:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02902183464; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 22:49:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 781990.32500.bm@omp1016.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1342910955; bh=I7CMNfdaL8EyD1iNCvJ4sAYuWWEwy3YnNoocGZPMymw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=6KLEoLU5qShIsKwuGaN2PBDSLY4m/N5Um4/VfqJGXMw8tcYx+T+S75duPNjj3Sl36W10y5rGkXugLeSL12uojW4mkC4ZRs/Hnm0Mbzzq6z1EafRduyQBs1KZ6bPXt8KPD41R094e11ARbqU50iVlq8GFZWr7a1PWhycinhc4tcU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ZLh1pyeOQiTuIuunRaCjpLz47nVH/eX0b1H1hqRRvRlQ0gDIqDSa0PZNo7usgNjL449B/VTFYBy9SzfmgEqhFni3WNaw65MJvx/PgbHZD3IFwOgUqOSCD4JSa+kJT1mvXvdeR520ykeqL2V4ooGkQKOSUJWf/YB0A83Iz7S+zBk=; X-YMail-OSG: 87LrRKEVM1msvA2NZpk44Egb.natm7o5dTopq1cJ9nl8Sf6 SV_PSxsTMaLckZJwZK3VezRtbgzFjENy4FRUfJjs8FpFuONlKzmzxRQOxPW. lgng1l.foM9V1RMcZR8YJHD_vlXbpaJb2SZnalYSJXlSRPXyVM9W1U4skFTq sw9zomuN9TkxAp0oTc2.ycfHNEFAYycaiRSecpp0C5TVSEqu6lmm3mUgC1w_ 7NrHo_C9g0wPptd6LZ.UZAxVB_MT28ZBXxkvF1tYnXgsBnbHYopFQX8NV2xc BpuKKm.lqDFZilTAzxrJdAvorrBygQIoBuPqlWfytOkzs80sv2FqiCB2IbCA 0ClafgBzOMHxlCgdWKw74bssvX6PcMeOhPGkMSLsXqeMRkMaHcq1jzM_qYgu Pxf8uQzxU7c3soPZVRljQ96WTb0k8XY3lY7wV43R9vaYd76gjF33Ae_o5gml cM05pFgkiDmRM3tAAnvXfkLSWExl7IFen4tBF2eeGLx1AwiXW_y7EbKB6xWa tq1F4Qjb84nqYmC_xeUOfFa55FKM4m5fONE2V9DMEFW3sUL8Khzdk2jjpTbJ mIpHfmZPfefrTVgY5gY_D4kHcCn0SFpO3_A.v8JM- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: <190FBFE8-7F17-4AEE-80F7-EDC6C9192E8C@baymoon.com> <1342768667.2953.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20120720130309.A3040B20.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> Message-ID: <1342910955.66050.YahooMailNeo@web120704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 15:49:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Reply-To: Luis Angulo Subject: Re:Line 6 Stagescape To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <20120720130309.A3040B20.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1167350687-2144907826-1342910955=:66050" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 22:49:16 +0000 (UTC) --1167350687-2144907826-1342910955=:66050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OMG!!!!=0Athis sounds amazing,finally somebody did it,this is what I've alw= ays been waiting for!=0Athanx for the eye opener Ben,off course,see to beli= eve,can't wait to see how it preforms!=0A=A0=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/luisa= ngulocom=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Ben =0ATo: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" =0ASent: Friday, July 20, 2012 1:03 PM=0ASubject: Re: Ke= mper Profilier Amp=0A =0A=0A-----------------------------------------------= ---=0ALuis Angulo wrote:=0A(20/07/2012 09:17)=0A= =0A=0A> i wonder why they havent come up yet with a mixer and an integrated= channel input with good amp modeling presets for guitarrist;-)=0Aalmost th= ere: =0Ahttp://line6.com/stagescape-m20d/=0A=0A=0ABen (who badly plays guit= ar on a fender mustang I modelled amp) --1167350687-2144907826-1342910955=:66050 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OMG!!!!
this sounds amazing,finally somebody did it,this is wh= at I've always been waiting for!
thanx for the eye o= pener Ben,off course,see to believe,can't wait to see how it preform= s!
 
http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom

From: Ben <benoitruelle@yahoo.fr>
To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-= Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: Kemper Profilier Amp


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= Luis Angulo <louie.angulo@yahoo.com> wrote:
(20/07/20= 12 09:17)


> i wonder why they havent come up yet with a mixer= and an integrated channel input with good amp modeling presets for guitarr= ist;-)
almost there:
http://line6.com/stagescape-m20d/


Ben (who = badly plays guitar on a fender mustang I modelled amp)



--1167350687-2144907826-1342910955=:66050-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 22 09:11:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF95A183455; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 09:11:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=3X0Gf5cNRucuuZgX5i+qI/AxDeMehZseYA+W7G3CIe4=; b=EnsSbe+n109a0QkVWaJ5hphXo2fGiRdKdEGwBu1HC1Dx1e7P5UwiYTDbP2+4+HUk4b HIF8RNTPTacQW/Z+nxJGbiFwEh+Y4sRN0ZcoLh270uVwKiIdQ78bw+xYU0WGKnFycvIP ZhzIDGDxf7zwG5BGyOZy04MCHAtPFu85iUQ935wM4AEpnKEOPTR9BoDMmnclEJHqwRZb 0fSCyK+OkY9ifqonEz5l6DEzzWxfd78rk65lY+gTlyUbxZ5zAQ1c51dmeUtk/YCaqDtT Je+DrOffo1we8lqFfCWo/2cZVtPKLpGU+CfWkFVhoo/qDLTMSKBID1ZXFyNXJ5hkd6QD oqYg== MIME-Version: 1.0 From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 11:10:55 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Minimum spec PC for Abelton Live To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f234913e8230c04c56782de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 09:11:16 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f234913e8230c04c56782de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I realise this is a pretty sticky question. But today it is my step-sons birthday, and he makes some pretty weird stuff using Abelton Live. for example: http://soundcloud.com/unnskyldtrynetditt/dungeons-bass-v-1-ft-freddy He would like to do it ... er Live, but has no lap-top, only a great big iMac. Unfortunately I dont have enough money to buy him a Mac Book Pro, (hell I dont have enough for my OWN MBP, my company buys me all my computers...) and he says he would be just as happy with a PC. But.. what... The question is simply... IF he has has an external sound card (I think its a NI AudioControl 1)... AND he is using external disks for (therofore not needing a really HUGE hd)... What is the minimum spec PC I would need to go for for a lap-top for pretty standard Abelton Live use. (By that I mean playing loops, synths and effects... but not too much recording of live instruments I imagine) I guerss Im talking memory AND CPU? quick response would be good, as he=B4s coming to dinner later and it would be good to show him a sales receipt!! M --=20 mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --e89a8f234913e8230c04c56782de Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I realise this is a pretty sticky question.

But today it is my step-= sons birthday, and he makes some pretty weird stuff using Abelton Live. for example:
http://soundcloud.com/unnskyldtrynetditt/dungeons-ba= ss-v-1-ft-freddy
He would like to do it ... er Live, but has no lap-top, only a great big iM= ac.

Unfortunately I dont have enough money to buy him a Mac Book Pro= , (hell I dont have enough for my OWN MBP, my company buys me all my comput= ers...) and he says he would be just as happy with a PC. But.. what...

The question is simply...
IF he has has an external sound card (I t= hink its a NI AudioControl 1)...
AND he is using external disks for=A0 (= therofore not needing a really HUGE hd)...
What is the minimum spec PC I= would need to go for for a lap-top for pretty standard Abelton Live use. (= By that I mean playing loops, synths and effects... but not too much record= ing of live instruments I imagine)
I guerss Im talking memory AND CPU?

quick response would be good, as= he=B4s coming to dinner later and it would be good to show him a sales rec= eipt!!

M


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mark francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com<= /a>
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
--e89a8f234913e8230c04c56782de-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 22 09:18:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 813AD183464; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 09:18:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2PNL49lK9knMUExBB3Hekvct5j2CF+FdfXL16HasLL4=; b=ERhuI+tCu4/OZmu20W+fAwS1pZGVmvk9YInzC1thGr9zeFqf6EzS616pI9pChxGzZY ma6QUgfGjeBS0NaUdG/iVspOEEXmiDin9HlGhhsTCeMvZAMhSwz+Gz8jIJWz54H8HhAW 5rmJzz5GYVrLnkxzli4i77xoePYBPl2urujpyUy9BcxmFaCJyoHJ1UPM3uLYWVgGq1l/ wxVdcP046vnVYQaYuIlwPjm2rwgwalOWNIe9WUznXIN4c+QCw9H7mbLbIoZr1N0Bh9ad 8pn7pHS2lAU6+Nq2y2mXpP+aYFMH2ZvLNIuLanQJDxsv5wmX+2DUIn6y7/PkazKvqd+d IkQg== Message-ID: <500BC565.2040704@googlemail.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 11:18:29 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Minimum spec PC for Abelton Live References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 09:18:35 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe schrieb: > The question is simply... > IF he has has an external sound card (I think its a NI AudioControl 1)... > AND he is using external disks for (therofore not needing a really > HUGE hd)... > What is the minimum spec PC I would need to go for for a lap-top for > pretty standard Abelton Live use. (By that I mean playing loops, > synths and effects... but not too much recording of live instruments I > imagine) > I guerss Im talking memory AND CPU? The stuff here http://moinlabs.bandcamp.com/album/weird-specialist was done on an old Pentium M (2GHz) and 1GB of RAM. My current €300 netbook outperforms that machine of old...of course, it was Live 4 or 5 running back then, and plugins selected to be CPU/memory efficient... So as usual: "using ableton live" is rather wide a field. But if you know how to optimize a setup for performance, are able to play with high latencies and don't believe you need the latest gimmick for everything to make art, then really, you don't need that much power. DPC latency however, that is what you need to be looking at, as that can be a showstopper... Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 22 09:50:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16464183462; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 09:50:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=ovspJlD2zkXCe6rWdGtd7vKlymZzi7Wd35+d5HzgMWQ=; b=O61kM1wzSvbgMgf5zsrv1sHqAEDyE42XHe7HPdRb9b5pfdL2ACTvXfxtABbyTZfmnw DppLU/aEpdOjI2u48DMLu8uAqp5WIE1HpLdtwRTVDWTVTJHNlmB5PZ2T3Fp0PUgGgzDM o6HaU/5FLTzBgrrIILBYXiXfUWIGOgSFgF4PWl5CTPBtIEiHwo6ir+d6qSw3Tg5c/eNV 316ZepC4VugXwP/jm3AXj0w9332QbOl0+wQVUHgRCz9DzW+uSU2g9vr39icLSaXgByiU 8fVW3TdVJqb7Xbpuxqs1QbBA031G9Bz6CaW/5GrQzdlQk6OYqtT/WvqtJSRnIRbQ3ROc H80A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <500BC565.2040704@googlemail.com> References: <500BC565.2040704@googlemail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 11:50:13 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: v2erGKEwDfD9WUaPylypefaGVi4 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Minimum spec PC for Abelton Live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4e43d29377e4a804c5680fea Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 09:50:34 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4e43d29377e4a804c5680fea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Rainer, We have been diggin a bit and think we have found a solution, we have one question.. CPU... in my days on PC it was just to look at the Mhz number... so... When it says i3 or i5 or i7... is i3 good enough? I have read that cos i5 doesnt have "multi-threading" but i3 has, that sometimes i3 is actually better... (im writing sentances I dont know what they mean here, did I get away with it?) M On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Rainer Straschill < moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote: > So as usual: "using ableton live" is rather wide a field. But if you know > how to optimize a setup for performance, are able to play with high > latencies and don't believe you need the latest gimmick for everything to > make art, then really, you don't need that much power. > DPC latency however, that is what you need to be looking at, as that can > be a showstopper... > > Rainer > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --e0cb4e43d29377e4a804c5680fea Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Rainer,

We have been diggin a bit and think we have found a s= olution, we have one question.. CPU... in my days on PC it was just to look= at the Mhz number... so...
When it says i3 or i5 or i7... is i3 good en= ough?

I have read that cos i5 doesnt have "multi-threading" but i3 = has, that sometimes i3 is actually better... (im writing sentances I dont k= now what they mean here, did I get away with it?)

M

On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Rainer Straschill <<= a href=3D"mailto:moinsound@googlemail.com" target=3D"_blank">moinsound@goog= lemail.com> wrote:
=A0
So as usual: "using ableton live" is rather wide a field. But if = you know how to optimize a setup for performance, are able to play with hig= h latencies and don't believe you need the latest gimmick for everythin= g to make art, then really, you don't need that much power.
DPC latency however, that is what you need to be looking at, as that can be= a showstopper...

Rainer


--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--e0cb4e43d29377e4a804c5680fea-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 22 10:06:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFF24183478; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 10:06:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=o6FI+0kFUAzGAVlW+Sune68EWsabmyWsFTpLuiImtpI=; b=IOaFuAhKG3t1ccdTMx49IxoGo7YKMD2zOYRgkLNMAccqJSOr38IjA8bQHsAc69opLO YN9vTugPUD3AqohWmqnzeodPyQlwJYM379JQ7wveNpSFzu9WMDgzdqrA3AxlexOElM2o xJcrD3ONklEggY0g4mk5RQyFU4ropA5rQeEV3d5oTV8gDl6LL1wkmWp46g3PzpVOSBRT mExD8Ea6RSTFM3uXUSHeIEMQLv6H4gKpSiNWFNueRMPT1LtJo7ODrzQnKN+BWTvYvTOD x5cUoJ//CHTMPcQ18+BaU+ySap8aox7di0/6qHjZFr5pU+XXHjYB9307tTJpPYkm9otP 5aNg== Message-ID: <500BD0B5.90504@googlemail.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 12:06:45 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Minimum spec PC for Abelton Live References: <500BC565.2040704@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2sAt0B.A.EDE.8C9CQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 10:06:52 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe schrieb: > I have read that cos i5 doesnt have "multi-threading" but i3 has, that > sometimes i3 is actually better... (im writing sentances I dont know > what they mean here, did I get away with it?) Uhhh, this goes into a lot of depth. I believe you mean hyperthreading, which is (in a very basic simplification) to have a second set of peripheral registers for every core, so you can already prepare for the next processing step, thus making each core appear as two to the OS. Which, incidentially, would actually slow down performance on pre-Windows-7-non-x64 windows OSes ;). Also, the fact that i5 don't have hyperthreading is only true for the Nehalem, not for Sandy/Ivy Bridge ;) - in other words, i5 in current models do have hyperthreading. Generally, I found passmark (passmark.com) results to be a good starting point for CPU performance. Also, DPC latency is an important quantity (this is not for the processor, but for the processor/chipset/bios/whatever combo - the actual computer, if you will), as those can effectively keeping you from using the computer for live audio, no matter how fast your cpu is... Sadly, there's no simple rule here. And one must not forget the AMD cpus, which in recent years have caught up very well (the aforementioned netbook of mine has an AMD cpu, which mainly I chose because of the superior GPU compared to Intels in the low-power segment at that date). Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 22 10:09:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D56D9183477; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 10:09:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=HIOWNfzkj8kLwJK8jMdYkMjvA4nATeHudq8DVm6+WO8=; b=KjP0YkEoGBNAtJtOknzAuZgfDqdZR2ihUNHYqgiLZ3hjileBoFQLavwiMUbn0I8cHP IBTIEqZ+eIUNHjg4ExNlOA2wBY/FgkWb47AFvsHW2Ji9Sg9EZtsgiuxLAWb+9bIMtE/F 5vn/V+hgxlgiKHYe8Y8czGpiGV3EPdlJmXbI1qRqFXQr1jMwOmfII10L2Z4Ftoqp6qNN Xz8upsF3RAQEMbBjWhifkqusPFM3QGPtanxuwQZbZ4kpjnZBll2ONY3Op6AXPjZAArgb 8INmhCgHlxkauQz9K1hPsBUTE0o+ynDCgDmHwkhYWphJjVXVRq8z0J+/IxTCQ9se0Nny /0hA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 12:09:02 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Minimum spec PC for Abelton Live From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 10:09:03 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 11:10 AM, mark francombe wrote: > I guerss Im talking memory AND CPU? Why needing to know the "Minimum Spec PC"? Are you planning to by a ten year old lappy? :-)) Just make sure its graphic memory isn't shared with the system and any new dirt cheap win-lappy will work great with live. The latest Live version (upgrade last week) supports running the system at 64 bit and the good thing with that is that more than 4 GB RAM can be used. So you might as well look for a cheap corporate deal on a laptop that ships with 8 or more GB RAM. I'm receiving mails every week from Dell and everyone else that offers me a cheap deal through my company... must be the same in Norway. Look for the deals labeld "powerful media laptop", "presentation media workhorse" or similar, but try to avoid deals on laptops that come with pre installed stuff that is targeting "home media center" users. Oh, and Vista is a no-no ;-)) > When it says i3 or i5 or i7... is i3 good enough? i7 does better in tests with typical music applications. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 22 10:18:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D6F118347C; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 10:18:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=qWk5sDf3HBHlgL5pcTwrufDhDvLrjbajDUpslkCVm74=; b=fpJZqx3A4UcoFu1zyDQAgdDNS7nZ5mm8tYxPPjnfiPSoNqyKxe3xNIlCURzxxwXMwq HOv4tuc4GNZ4jS9UAOhIuKoXC2scIv3PyvU8yesstIINl8NgGKwPe7kwylcFljjqEKCJ nW1vZ86C1tRI2DF+qH58UdIgm8YhoGYXEOZXC0R4Qi8q2sy3mTzqCY5ddoR/jlzRqaTA CFWoZgjoadpO20GxpbHwWYi6H0RJn1KkEgPHrdPMEpTST3DLV/aYyfB+HwIxTDpYKoEo a0k7qZnJnbm9duQ5/DZZxIRR12VKrtBbtzn0w9uJ/qapegH4Ty0Uaxi9r0cDonPQ8VbM EaaA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 12:17:51 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: sxuB19VnrF46wDqqd5wNrFv3QyI Message-ID: Subject: Re: Minimum spec PC for Abelton Live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4e43d2934c3d6904c568726c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 10:18:12 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4e43d2934c3d6904c568726c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks for everything... Problem solved.. found a second hand MBP for 5000 kroners... 2 years old... I think keeping the boy in mac land, less viruses and games installed on his machine is gonna help ALOT!! Im off to Oslo... Mark On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 11:10 AM, mark francombe > wrote: > > I guerss Im talking memory AND CPU? > > > Why needing to know the "Minimum Spec PC"? Are you planning to by a > ten year old lappy? :-)) Just make sure its graphic memory isn't > shared with the system and any new dirt cheap win-lappy will work > great with live. The latest Live version (upgrade last week) supports > running the system at 64 bit and the good thing with that is that more > than 4 GB RAM can be used. So you might as well look for a cheap > corporate deal on a laptop that ships with 8 or more GB RAM. > > I'm receiving mails every week from Dell and everyone else that offers > me a cheap deal through my company... must be the same in Norway. Look > for the deals labeld "powerful media laptop", "presentation media > workhorse" or similar, but try to avoid deals on laptops that come > with pre installed stuff that is targeting "home media center" users. > Oh, and Vista is a no-no ;-)) > > > When it says i3 or i5 or i7... is i3 good enough? > > i7 does better in tests with typical music applications. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --e0cb4e43d2934c3d6904c568726c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for everything...

Problem solved..
found a second hand MBP= for 5000 kroners... 2 years old...

I think keeping the boy in mac = land, less viruses and games installed on his machine is gonna help ALOT!!<= br>
Im off to Oslo...


Mark

On = Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 11= :10 AM, mark francombe
<markfrancombe@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:
> I guerss Im talking memory AND CPU?


Why needing to know the "Minimum Spec PC"? Are you planning= to by a
ten year old lappy? :-)) =A0Just make sure its graphic memory isn't
shared with the system and any new dirt cheap win-lappy will work
great with live. The latest Live version (upgrade last week) supports
running the system at 64 bit and the good thing with that is that more
than 4 GB RAM can be used. So you might as well look for a cheap
corporate deal on a laptop that ships with 8 or more GB RAM.

I'm receiving mails every week from Dell and everyone else that offers<= br> me a cheap deal through my company... must be the same in Norway. Look
for the deals labeld "powerful media laptop", "presentation = media
workhorse" or similar, but try to avoid deals on laptops that come
with pre installed stuff that is targeting "home media center" us= ers.
Oh, and Vista is a no-no ;-))

> When it says i3 or i5 or i7... is i3 good enough?

i7 does better in tests with typical music applications.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen




--
= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--e0cb4e43d2934c3d6904c568726c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 22 10:18:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93D2A18347C; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 10:18:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=q3jcBqtoIoamaCkDXbRA6S2gBPHekTb4zrhc7nT1e6Q=; b=AkwDZ5sm2R0qrLy8JedL8NRZpJVx1+z2tBow874tOq9/aw4SgTOJI1Gh2MvjvvGPKB +A8iYfZfML6mmtQu3eLN0S454/mV9ROIelGN8pyzZsJfNiKXkyCATmCxU+igMyIpM7Z9 MHPR4RNezow4+LXcxlLHXHdMpfb1o624waLis3O1CWfWGBSMifSjx9/3rtYvkJSzvaRj IQr11fYwO0veTymFL2/3dBgMnQbRlw3ZZH9lg+8VeY/1Bukl/pHvnREBZa0g8nlhkA/c 0qWD5yZVvRCs13E/SIgMweuLYEMzfG4xJedRfpKelpF/z45Sn8lOqYq0Abpzaahv/62U +GxQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 12:18:51 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Minimum spec PC for Abelton Live From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 10:18:52 +0000 (UTC) Here's a good hint: At the Live forum there is the standing thread "LIVE 8 PERFORMANCE TEST - Results Here". https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=111880&start=0&hilit=best+laptop+for+live All these questions are answered there and people post the spec's of their boxes. Per On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 11:10 AM, mark francombe > wrote: >> I guerss Im talking memory AND CPU? > > > Why needing to know the "Minimum Spec PC"? Are you planning to by a > ten year old lappy? :-)) Just make sure its graphic memory isn't > shared with the system and any new dirt cheap win-lappy will work > great with live. The latest Live version (upgrade last week) supports > running the system at 64 bit and the good thing with that is that more > than 4 GB RAM can be used. So you might as well look for a cheap > corporate deal on a laptop that ships with 8 or more GB RAM. > > I'm receiving mails every week from Dell and everyone else that offers > me a cheap deal through my company... must be the same in Norway. Look > for the deals labeld "powerful media laptop", "presentation media > workhorse" or similar, but try to avoid deals on laptops that come > with pre installed stuff that is targeting "home media center" users. > Oh, and Vista is a no-no ;-)) > >> When it says i3 or i5 or i7... is i3 good enough? > > i7 does better in tests with typical music applications. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 22 10:33:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C63A18347D; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 10:33:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=xr9Qml4GOPIJeQJ6wLBKSt2KoGIYAGpckdfhTvOgE+0=; b=ghuADgtDLjiSt7HKTUh9uPRNgygxWcl99A9jmm9Aq1yVFXpfgG/1Xde4jp8hDvMfBP f+VaGxc2XU4gACKxKPTc2xooUp9xpdFAlomc8c7pcThiwB9jo7E49eMUbqNzGhEUNIcx OORZDEbuJTqgVhjTIkZNJxn0A44ydlbIDphCcDIPQa0FUrP5AxAX0lx6eIhuViqgw/P3 Co8RZ/tpVzPUxqXSZ5mihc2MwLE1JLvzCi04UYe7ehzM97TTt4x+HX1VXA++AeFhgoja SzdospBV6vly4lBzB9Syj5MZFQmToU7ZKRi+fRAePlb1iazPEBWqoinker4c1x6aHRLf pdRw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 12:32:43 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Ttj8_lJLsP9ZsZlCAVgRukEY0cc Message-ID: Subject: Re: Minimum spec PC for Abelton Live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043c7f746fd92e04c568a739 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 10:33:04 +0000 (UTC) --f46d043c7f746fd92e04c568a739 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Wow Per, Thats a great test they did... However, (just scanning the results, pretty quick) its SUPER inconclusive! Many MBPs had the same specs with different results. a Big Mac Pro suffered bad results.. a simple Asus lappy did very well.. Very Odd!!! So it seems that what other stuff you have going on on your computer may be rather relevant? On the the hand, can you notice? These results are testing audio dropout, and they all passed, just with different CPU percentages... I often have to wait for the bouncy ball, or watch a blue line grow up a box... who cares.. Im not a robot, I LIKE those moments of relaxation... I even LIKE rendering on my video stuff, or building on my game stuff, as I can go out and have a cig...! Mark On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Here's a good hint: > At the Live forum there is the standing thread "LIVE 8 PERFORMANCE > TEST - Results Here". > > https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=111880&start=0&hilit=best+laptop+for+live > > All these questions are answered there and people post the spec's of > their boxes. > > Per > > > On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 11:10 AM, mark francombe > > wrote: > >> I guerss Im talking memory AND CPU? > > > > > > Why needing to know the "Minimum Spec PC"? Are you planning to by a > > ten year old lappy? :-)) Just make sure its graphic memory isn't > > shared with the system and any new dirt cheap win-lappy will work > > great with live. The latest Live version (upgrade last week) supports > > running the system at 64 bit and the good thing with that is that more > > than 4 GB RAM can be used. So you might as well look for a cheap > > corporate deal on a laptop that ships with 8 or more GB RAM. > > > > I'm receiving mails every week from Dell and everyone else that offers > > me a cheap deal through my company... must be the same in Norway. Look > > for the deals labeld "powerful media laptop", "presentation media > > workhorse" or similar, but try to avoid deals on laptops that come > > with pre installed stuff that is targeting "home media center" users. > > Oh, and Vista is a no-no ;-)) > > > >> When it says i3 or i5 or i7... is i3 good enough? > > > > i7 does better in tests with typical music applications. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.perboysen.com > > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d043c7f746fd92e04c568a739 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow Per, Thats a great test they did...
However, (just scanning the resu= lts, pretty quick)
its SUPER inconclusive!

Many MBPs had the same= specs with different results. a Big Mac Pro suffered bad results.. a simpl= e Asus lappy did very well..

Very Odd!!!

So it seems that what other stuff you have going on = on your computer may be rather relevant?

On the the hand, can you no= tice? These results are testing audio dropout, and they all passed, just wi= th different CPU percentages... I often have to wait for the bouncy ball, o= r watch a blue line grow up a box... who cares.. Im not a robot, I LIKE tho= se moments of relaxation... I even LIKE rendering on my video stuff, or bui= lding on my game stuff, as I can go out and have a cig...!



Mark




On Sun, Jul = 22, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wro= te:
Here's a good hint:
At the Live forum there is the standing thread "LIVE 8 PERFORMANCE
TEST - Results Here".
https://foru= m.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=3D1&t=3D111880&start=3D0&hilit=3D= best+laptop+for+live

All these questions are answered there and people post the spec's of their boxes.

Per


On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at = 11:10 AM, mark francombe
> <markfrancombe@gmail.com= > wrote:
>> I guerss Im talking memory AND CPU?
>
>
> Why needing to know the "Minimum Spec PC"? Are you planning = to by a
> ten year old lappy? :-)) =A0Just make sure its graphic memory isn'= t
> shared with the system and any new dirt cheap win-lappy will work
> great with live. The latest Live version (upgrade last week) supports<= br> > running the system at 64 bit and the good thing with that is that more=
> than 4 GB RAM can be used. So you might as well look for a cheap
> corporate deal on a laptop that ships with 8 or more GB RAM.
>
> I'm receiving mails every week from Dell and everyone else that of= fers
> me a cheap deal through my company... must be the same in Norway. Look=
> for the deals labeld "powerful media laptop", "presenta= tion media
> workhorse" or similar, but try to avoid deals on laptops that com= e
> with pre installed stuff that is targeting "home media center&quo= t; users.
> Oh, and Vista is a no-no ;-))
>
>> When it says i3 or i5 or i7... is i3 good enough?
>
> i7 does better in tests with typical music applications.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.c= om
> http://= www.youtube.com/perboysen




--
= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--f46d043c7f746fd92e04c568a739-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 22 10:33:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC44F183486; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 10:33:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0576014408==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120722103307.8348.31864.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 06:33:09 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: How about a crowdsourced documentary about looping? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 10:33:23 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0576014408== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello!=20I=20just=20got=20this=20great=20idea!=20How=20about=20we=20at=20lo= opers-delight.com=20and=20the=20ones=20at=20 livelooping.org=20work=20together=20to=20make=20a=20documentary=20movie=20a= bout=20looping?=20It=20would=20be=20narrated=20by=20a=20 main=20narrator,=20and=20go=20through=20the=20history=20of=20looping,=20wit= h=20the=20highlights=20(Beatles=20tape=20looping,=20Fripp=20and=20 Eno,=20etc).=20Then=20we=20would=20discuss=20looping=20in=20the=20modern=20= day,=20including=20the=20invention=20of=20electronic-type=20 techno=20or=20pop=20music=20(the=20kind=20that=20contains=20a=20lot=20of=20= looping).=20Of=20course=20we=20would=20have=20to=20talk=20about=20 live=20looping.=20We=20would=20also=20have=20input=20from=20Loopers-delight= ers=20and=20Liveloopers=20via=20Youtube=20 videos.=20These=20Youtube=20links=20would=20be=20emailed=20to=20the=20film= =20producer,=20and=20the=20editor=20would=20put=20them=20in.=20 Maybe=20have=20examples=20of=20looping=20from=20some=20of=20our=20own=20loo= pers=20here=20on=20LD=20and=20LL.=20And=20have=20Youtube=20 videos=20of=20people=20speaking=20about=20looping,=20either=20at=20festival= s=20or=20just=20talking=20on=20a=20plain=20amateur=20video.=20 Maybe=20we=20can=20hear=20from=20people=20who=20have=20really=20changed=20l= ooping,=20like=20the=20guys=20that=20put=20together=20that=20database=20of= =20 loopable=20samples=20at=20freeloops.com,=20or=20the=20guys=20that=20created= =20the=20self-reproducing=20loop=20 system=20at=20darwintunes.org.=20Or=20people=20who=20have=20really=20change= d=20things,=20like=20Imogen=20Heap=20and=20her=20 high-tech=20Musical=20Gloves.=20And=20then=20have=20it=20distributed=20as= =20a=20DVD=20on=20amazon.com.=20A=20 full=20looper=20movie.=20They=20should=20have=20done=20that=20before=20they= =20invented=20the=20loop=20festival! Tyler=20Z --===============0576014408==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 22 10:41:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 803E518347C; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 10:41:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=kCaY6Hid52bVdYpTeCxwu9g+7mecXWBcZ7PDjr1t904=; b=TQE3CpqL9wNnoFnvippmWfsxMW3MmGXo0bjeShpJgbWXEPVHAtsL8uPqJwqnfUq1yh hUo8pZoEMZ9XyB5IsYrtbG0KE3n2lS9ugJwuhk9CrN39lYaPEqS+XcvrnRMB/iVq8Tv2 hBVrtR/JkohX3a+C6raif/bvA6bp7VxEGeR2ztHruMSTPHaVsy+sFuvaP0bN0ABKIRRl OqAAU9Nol5E0x0obxEjHSD7BM+wZVOVejEOai5Ew097ThOntm+eeSkL31Mgz3nX54RVP zAkOOy2vsjbTOC4Hn6R+vwKhCBi3SwKeHjfJg1YG/3WwKTm0+yTETWqSy+Pn0sPJQrDu M64Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 12:41:20 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Minimum spec PC for Abelton Live From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 10:41:21 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:32 PM, mark francombe wrote: > I even LIKE rendering on my video stuff, or building on my game stuff, as I > can go out and have a cig...! LOL... I'm mixing a lot of music here now and the plugins I use for EQ, limitation and reverb all work at a higher definition wich means the do just ok at real-time playback but kick in the Cosmic Overdrive in host file render mode. So rendering a mix to a stereo file on the disc can take half an hour!!!! Well, I'm human too so I don't mind a little break - I keep several layers of optional "downtime fill-up activity strategies" handy. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 22 12:13:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3354918348A; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 12:13:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <51F5B2B3A2E240768BFBFC9F2562D347@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Tonight: "What is the Death of Time?" Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 13:13:11 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD680B.BE9558C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 12:13:14 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD680B.BE9558C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I ponder that classic phrase, while performing live improv-channeling on = guitars, keyboards, drums and loops. With suitably-dark ambient = videoworks. There will be carnage! Survival kits not required. 1230am London time, 730pm Eastern, 430pm Pacific. http://www.ustream.tv/channel/audio-tarot-bone-throw ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD680B.BE9558C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I ponder that classic phrase, while performing live = improv-channeling on=20 guitars, keyboards, drums and loops. With suitably-dark ambient = videoworks.=20 There will be carnage! Survival kits not required.
 
1230am London time, 730pm Eastern, 430pm Pacific.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD680B.BE9558C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 22 12:20:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 310D418348D; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 12:20:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=grdJunnYyqiEnD+N5S9usSg4lVPEXZDdD4fbSTD+6cU=; b=LRBQMfqKZ8ilq0riSiN50+4r+45nOuB+O/HVuer99liKxOnIv2a33Musq5+r3EkjxU NmT3EfZcyq+C7bSy9wVc45ArL5FTYLPZc+6fT29lYPQ1+3HsxuH9D48TBsF70VWUBpnU bJ/ONGX0/v2AUiMliWPw4H/tz5eBvcjF2afTRFFyCK5u4qQ6XiY80bpOU6rYCERIWyyN /eYydtZ/WXaB7IwKiICl9PJYQz/FK1zauMbKHpza0Lk0H/PvN14riasARzRPc89qta2W Tf9xvyv2HQTJPb5nAOeS80dVuVaRcPdEyWncRrpAvRf/RTtCrnWx7KNmd+8/5VOQGNNs Ff9Q== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Subject: Re: EDP beatsync and brothersync From: philip In-Reply-To: <50083C5F.1010108@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 21:19:37 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1CA005D0-480D-4AFD-AA9E-84440A168DEF@gmail.com> References: <4FD4A7F8.9010708@tiscali.co.uk> <18529826-7CEC-463E-A20C-47C7D871B596@gmail.com> <4FD4DEC4.9000707@tiscali.co.uk> <50083C5F.1010108@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 12:20:16 +0000 (UTC) Brother sync and MIDI out to in. Thanks. I'll try that as soon as I get back to Osaka this weekend. P On Jul 20, 2012, at 1:57 AM, andy butler wrote: >=20 >=20 > Philip wrote: >> Sorry to revive this. I've still been having trouble doing this (so I = have a click from the machine going into both EDP1 and EDP2). >> When I click a button on the Foot Controller, only one of them = responds to the command.=20 >=20 > Need to connect midi out of EDP1 to midi In of EDP2. >=20 > andy >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 22 17:39:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D685183490; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 17:39:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <40DCE25E-85DD-40C4-9E1C-B079179BEDE4@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5--400686698 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: speaker cab di speaker simulators Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 10:38:53 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <8azHvC.A.aT.0qDDQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 17:39:01 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5--400686698 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a couple of these, http://www.emersonwilliams.com/ that I use all of the time in the studio and live, because of the lack of sound isolation in my home studio most of my tracking has been through parallel rigs. One DI stereo rig using the Ethos and my di live looping rig, one using my normal gig pedal board into my princeton and my ac 10. All of my personal recording and the stuff I've collaborated with Erdem on the last couple of years have used this method. This one is also excellent , http://www.radialeng.com/r2011/jdx.php Bill --Apple-Mail-5--400686698 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a couple of these, http://www.emersonwilliams.com/ that I use all of the time in the studio and live,  because of the lack of sound isolation in my home studio most of my tracking has been through parallel  rigs. One DI stereo rig using the Ethos and my di live looping rig, one using my normal gig pedal board into my princeton and my ac 10. All of my personal recording and the stuff I've collaborated with Erdem on the last couple of years have used  this method. This one is also excellent , http://www.radialeng.com/r2011/jdx.php
 Bill
--Apple-Mail-5--400686698-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 23 03:04:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B14AA18348D; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 03:04:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=OtDNOlDt c=1 sm=0 a=7EES5A45Cdj4PFqhs1nWwA==:17 a=VUiZGnMAkF4A:10 a=DKcI9XZsuF4A:10 a=VjQEmgnaUtsA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=P4h4dbz-AAAA:8 a=c9eTbBAgAAAA:8 a=fxAJeLv5AAAA:8 a=UnJ_9QKAAAAA:20 a=xlqMLKGMBa5oJE5XfYcA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=DIYRS-kUQAsA:10 a=7EES5A45Cdj4PFqhs1nWwA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 24.211.138.221 Message-ID: <500CBF3E.5090900@nc.rr.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 23:04:30 -0400 From: Tone User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Request for advice on upgrade from Boss RC-20 particularly related to collaboration format/method Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 03:04:46 +0000 (UTC) Hello. I'm writing to ask for advice. I purchased a Boss RC-20* new and have been quite happy for a long time, mostly because I only use it for live looping. That is, I can do everything I want in 5½ minutes and just erase it when I go on to the next song, recording being in the domain of other equipment. Additionally, any loss in fidelity in playback during a performance only highlights the purity of the same in the new layer I'm adding live, so I don't even mind that so much. However, the ability to "undo" a fail in an overdub has obvious appeal and, after reading dialogs in this group, am considering upgrading. As an "old dog", my first inclination would simply be to consider going to the RC-20XL because it adds that feature and not a lot of stuff I wouldn't use. But after joining this thread, I've been particularly impressed by the expertise (as well as talent) gathered so was hoping tap into it for guidance on perhaps adding another "new trick". If I upgrade to an additional generation, to the Boss RC-3** (or RC-30), I understand there is improved recording fidelity and with it, a USB port to export what it captures. My question, for those of you in the know.. is the output (.wav) of the newer Boss loop pedals of sufficient quality for collaborative song development with other artists? Additionally, I noted the Loopr demo video*** that someone posted demonstrate the ability to "start the drums and hold the groove via precise MIDI tempo synch"? That's pretty cool if it's really dynamically picking up on the beat and auto synchronizing. I'd love to do that with mine (Boss DR-5) and would be willing to consider another direction completely if one on you knows this ability already exists on loop-pedal I could use as a replacement to my RC-20 (without it being super overkill upgrade for what you understand I'm looking for). Incidentally, with respect to collaboration, sorry for the newbie question, but is there a (de facto) international standard format, method ? I'm reluctant to invest the time and energy to learn the ins and outs of a site like http://www.kompoz.com (much less future financial compensation) if I could just email files back and forth between myself and an artist with whom I'd like to collaborate, using some kind of software to mix essentially what would be an open standard for music tracks with some special synchronization thread. Sorry for the newbie inquiry, but I've only ever used wave files and overdubbed on my little studio (Boss BR-8). So emailing a file sufficient for collaboration and a synchronized response (that wasn't already premixed/overdubbed) would be a new realm for this old dog. As such, I would greatly appreciate some advice on getting started, even if it was just some recommended reading. Thanks in advance for any help. Regards and best wishes, Tony Kane ("Tone") Chapel Hill, NC The Tone Crucible http://www.reverbnation.com/open_graph/song/7981602 * http://www.bossus.com/gear/productdetails.php?ProductId=165 ** http://www.bossus.com/gear/productdetails.php?ProductId=1159&ParentId=251 *** http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69Yc_vNb1aE&feature=plcp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 23 05:01:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22A09183490; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 05:01:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:from:content-type:x-mailer:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=/PQkEMg8A9cjniR6Jr9bWt/eU4L2HzhhviIGtNCOzVU=; b=PQMrYa28NhQW0VIzkQaizpAhisgXScJA/RCdWrXapCgX6+vth6GF9lF2reYNjtlq7M gdawMn3n68++Rg4uWor9OoH9/cOHDkUIgSIfTOsbVQX9uFNafUsC2LHGqzSmD8u0Z6yF OKF20AqFj6sHRO1c5fcdPaVm8wdwX6WWEigmhtyt5bQbVfQ9z6F6tmhjiIwPJ92WrMWl BupK7t7r6g/8oPivh/B+m9WgviROOs6wIaU7FS4g+V3QzDV3nn0N4mcCny+RFgiFOoVS KL81dfQhXvZkF1cor8W4rl3voVeTZruDsB6BVvkcRg0QUK9sPuU4n8hNCvUsmJQAuYO8 kLRA== Subject: Raspberry pi based looping setup From: Charlie Milkey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) Message-Id: <687BED8F-535C-49BB-A642-5F52FA05E793@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 00:01:13 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 05:01:16 +0000 (UTC) Has anyone ever tried to set an audio looper up on a raspberry pi unit? For t= hose of you who don't know what this is, it's a little credit card sized Lin= ux computer. It's specs aren't as good as a full size computer, but it'd be i= nteresting to set it up with sooperlooper. It only costs 25 bucks, and it'd b= e quite portable. The 35 dollar model has 2 USB ports, as well as an hdmi ou= t. With a small USB hub, you could get it all in. So without rambling more, what do you think? Here is the wiki page-strangely seems to have more info than the actual site= lol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi Charlie= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 23 05:47:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1182183492; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 05:47:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=hH5FrJMeNTKm+lwRsDarYhI0k/CGEXS/MnfKsYpnjg8=; b=KXc2JSVEgK80E1am+4xQdt8ZjsPMt2IH/p2m14AvJujhF4YIV/PS+J63YrjBZbvd19 I5Biolx0/ts/2YLAfLr0YoSVbretUQCmxQ52uMOSI+7FbEevOxEJ44F4pFgqhWjCn2yl jARiL7/22PFe+IVBh9OeuiB5bDK+WMD0/+8PZOIZBNA/3h6sOU5mm/nAYRi2EUNpkpk/ IsOgqcDT60o849XUO2midnOKkkSe+MGToDHGhRmob0tCruDVIiJKMJtrxOJZcc0CxFJm 4ozF5tW5GzoCLbJsgj4SPd24jKmLEWtSfRnchOlo+3voOryqKOdlbmUhIYPQkwn5qD4p /+XQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 22:47:27 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Slaving the host From: "kay'lon rushing" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64c2482ec0c3204c578c7bc Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 05:47:28 +0000 (UTC) --0016e64c2482ec0c3204c578c7bc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I want to slave sync FL Studio to mobius so that the tempo of FL studio automatically changes to the tempo mobius sends out after i record the master loop. However, Fl Studio is the host. Is it possible? --0016e64c2482ec0c3204c578c7bc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

I want to slave sync FL Studio to mobius so that the tempo of FL studio automatically changes to the tempo mobius sends out after i record the master loop. However, Fl Studio is the host. Is it possible?

--0016e64c2482ec0c3204c578c7bc-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 23 05:54:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB11B183492; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 05:54:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 05:54:46 UTC X-RC-FROM: X-RC-RCPT: Message-ID: <003C9A9F46874A92AE400257D3F5B63A@newlaptop> From: "Marc Roche" To: Subject: digitech jamman looper/delay opinions wanted Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 22:48:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0468_01CD685C.0C814210" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 05:54:47 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0468_01CD685C.0C814210 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=92m considering this pedal....any opinions? thanks ------=_NextPart_000_0468_01CD685C.0C814210 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I=92m considering this pedal....any opinions?
thanks
------=_NextPart_000_0468_01CD685C.0C814210-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 23 06:35:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2271D183496; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 06:35:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=4KlP0Qk9/Nuhvjl8YZghrq0TmQ9PTntzAbDIBRHpje8=; b=wrHwUqL9h4qUi507dpKZt/Tizkqs5bsFh4TnC+9mhbs+ztIwn7gzwMk1Bs6c8sG7CC 2k6NEmPeVAhKvfte/CmE47IJSgIWBVwVUKJYT29PD+A0SCz8VQzVQFRwVMsk4esRmOlF jepQN0NKJ2+69Fbn/e2FYoQDuZ7Ziqa4Fepi5GZOlet1fbGG7/09onts/nlHlTdey9Ao 22/4AKMjILaXPAVwnjtOTUf8Cm0jRN1zC47VJAYBKEFBY6TvWEM2psVdlOLJWu8yDjft e+2dy4bJzFmjRKkAUdbv9PqqzfsQzD8vXqqtM2KTg0nceZvSsXHFtMIzkk4i9Tw3wIqz fpGw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <687BED8F-535C-49BB-A642-5F52FA05E793@gmail.com> References: <687BED8F-535C-49BB-A642-5F52FA05E793@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:35:29 +0900 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Raspberry pi based looping setup From: michael noble To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0ce03e0ab20d3c04c579731b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 06:35:30 +0000 (UTC) --000e0ce03e0ab20d3c04c579731b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Charlie Milkey wrote: > Has anyone ever tried to set an audio looper up on a raspberry pi unit? > For those of you who don't know what this is, it's a little credit card > sized Linux computer. It's specs aren't as good as a full size computer, > but it'd be interesting to set it up with sooperlooper. > The Pi doesn't have audio input. Also, the in-built device doesn't work with JACK as far as I know at this point in time. So if you want to record anything, or use SooperLooper or any other JACK based audio software, you have to use a USB audio device. But apart from that, yes, it is entirely possible. --000e0ce03e0ab20d3c04c579731b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Charlie Milkey = <pilotcp@gmail.com> wrote:
Has anyone ever tried to set an audio looper up on a raspberry pi unit? For= those of you who don't know what this is, it's a little credit car= d sized Linux computer. It's specs aren't as good as a full size co= mputer, but it'd be interesting to set it up with sooperlooper.

The Pi doesn't have audio input. Also, the in-bu= ilt device doesn't work with JACK as far as I know at this point in tim= e. So if you want to record anything, or use SooperLooper or any other JACK= based audio software, you have to use a USB audio device. But apart from t= hat, yes, it is entirely possible.
--000e0ce03e0ab20d3c04c579731b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 23 07:02:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD0BE183498; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:02:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <20120723050117.9C40D183496@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20120723050117.9C40D183496@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: RE: How about a crowdsourced documentary about looping? Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:02:24 +0200 Message-ID: <003301cd68a1$1d206ca0$576145e0$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1olO1XjGFFaofrTWCI1zbwphWuIwACUMDA Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:02:28 +0000 (UTC) > How about we at loopers-delight.com and the ones at livelooping.org = work together to make a documentary movie about looping? Tyler, the livelooping.org people are also all on the mailing list :) I agree, I would very much love to see a looping movie, and = crowdsourcing is probably the best way to finance it (I had thought of = proposing such a project to a culture-based TV station such as BBC but = then it might not be possible to sell it on Amazon). I know that = several people have made some video interviews (such as Bernhard Wagner = or Fabio's friend Xavier who interviewed all of us in Rome a few years = ago). Maybe more people could contribute similar video material. All of = this could become part of such a movie, together with concert footage. I would love to have such a movie ready by next summer, because as I = pointed out earlier, it is the 50th anniversary of livelooping (the tape = delay/feedback method was invented by Terry Riley's technician for a = Paris show of Music for the Gift in July 1963, and eventually turned = into the Time Lag Accumulator and Frippertronics). Of course, tape music = originated in the 1940s, and with it the use of closed prerecorded = loops, and of course the short tape delays existed before 1963, but the = long delays (several seconds) used in combination with live music that = we use in livelooping actually celebrate their 50ths birthday next year. I would personally love to see an interview with Terry Riley (and = ideally also Pauline Oliveros) in this video but I don't know how to = contact Terry. Also, I'm in Germany and I have no experience with making = movies anyway. Isn't there someone here on the list who lives in = Southern California and could make a video with Terry, asking him about = the origins of livelooping as he remembers them, and about his all-night = flight concerts during the 1960s with keyboard/saxophone livelooping? I'm thinking of making a little technical-documentary movie that would = explain how to do livelooping with 2 Revox machines. That could also = become part of the video. -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 23 07:03:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEB0118349A; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:03:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Tristan Zand Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_E88D2AEC-7E0E-4333-B0CB-1F02111E88F1" Subject: Re: Request for advice on upgrade from Boss RC-20 particularly related to collaboration format/method Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:03:12 +0200 In-Reply-To: <500CBF3E.5090900@nc.rr.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <500CBF3E.5090900@nc.rr.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:03:14 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_E88D2AEC-7E0E-4333-B0CB-1F02111E88F1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Well, the RC series has a pretty good sound quality (speaking mainly of = the audio input, preamp and co), definitely enough for collaborative = work. We've been doing online experiments in collaborative looping for = years now, using almost everything that came out (ranging from an old = Apple II to the Lexicon JamMan, including the Electrix Repeater or the = Boomerang), but retreated to the Boss RC series when we started our = daily online collaborative experiment ( http://www.bootymachine.net - = mainly the RC-50). Even thought many things are flawed in their = ergonomy, the sound is good, and the machinery solid as a rock. = Connectivity is definitely a flaw, but as on all those non smartphone = based solutions, even though USB let's you at least save and share your = work. Also, as part of the Loopr.net dev team, I would recommend Loopr too, = but it's still in Apple review territory right now, and the v1 isn't YET = to the overall potential of those pedalboards in my honest and humble = opinion, mainly because of the audio hardware... As for the ergonomy of = Loopr, you can check a bit more on this other video: = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D8nZdj9Ouz7E Cheers, hope that helps, ;) z On 23 juil. 2012, at 05:04, Tone wrote: > My question, for those of you in the know.. is the output (.wav) of = the newer Boss loop pedals of sufficient quality for collaborative song = development with other artists? Additionally, I noted the Loopr demo = video*** that someone posted demonstrate the ability to "start the drums = and hold the groove via precise MIDI tempo synch"? That's pretty cool if = it's really dynamically picking up on the beat and auto synchronizing. = I'd love to do that with mine (Boss DR-5) and would be willing to = consider another direction completely if one on you knows this ability = already exists on loop-pedal I could use as a replacement to my RC-20 = (without it being super overkill upgrade for what you understand I'm = looking for). --Apple-Mail=_E88D2AEC-7E0E-4333-B0CB-1F02111E88F1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Well, = the RC series has a pretty good sound quality (speaking mainly of the = audio input, preamp and co), definitely enough for collaborative work. = We've been doing online experiments in collaborative looping for years = now, using almost everything that came out (ranging from an old Apple II = to the Lexicon JamMan, including the Electrix Repeater or the = Boomerang), but retreated to the Boss RC series when we started our = daily online collaborative experiment ( http://www.bootymachine.net - = mainly the RC-50). Even thought many things are flawed in their = ergonomy, the sound is good, and the machinery solid as a rock. = Connectivity is definitely a flaw, but as on all those non smartphone = based solutions, even though USB let's you at least save and share your = work.

Also, as part of the Loopr.net dev team, I would recommend = Loopr too, but it's still in Apple review territory right now, and the = v1 isn't YET to the overall potential of those pedalboards in my honest = and humble opinion, mainly because of the audio hardware... As for the = ergonomy of Loopr, you can check a bit more on this other video: http://www.youtube.c= om/watch?v=3D8nZdj9Ouz7E

Cheers, hope that = helps, ;)
z

On 23 juil. 2012, at 05:04, = Tone wrote:

My question, = for those of you in the know..  is the output (.wav) of the newer = Boss loop pedals of sufficient quality for collaborative song = development with other artists?  Additionally, I noted the Loopr = demo video*** that someone posted demonstrate the ability to "start the = drums and hold the groove via precise MIDI tempo synch"? That's pretty = cool if it's really dynamically picking up on the beat and auto = synchronizing.  I'd love to do that with mine (Boss DR-5) and would = be willing to consider another direction completely if one on you knows = this ability already exists on loop-pedal I could use as a replacement = to my RC-20 (without it being super overkill upgrade for what you = understand I'm looking = for).

= --Apple-Mail=_E88D2AEC-7E0E-4333-B0CB-1F02111E88F1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 23 07:15:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82F2A183496; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:15:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0964021524==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120723071448.8687.73103.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 03:14:49 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: RE: How about a crowdsourced documentary about looping? Resent-Message-ID: <6uyZLC.A.LIH.-nPDQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:15:10 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0964021524== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes.=20And=20the=20whole=20thing=20would=20be=20backed=20up=20by=20looping= =20videos.=20And=20looping=20music=20by=20one=20artist=20or=20another=20 playing=20in=20the=20background=20during=20nearly=20the=20whole=20film.=20O= y=20vey!=20I=20got=20to=20go=20learn=20Windows=20 Movie=20Maker!=20I=20already=20learned=20Youtube.=20But=20Imogen=20Heap=20h= as=20a=20new=20album=20coming=20out=20either=20late=20 2012=20or=20any=20time=20in=202013.=20She=20has=20those=20Musical=20Gloves,= =20which=20can=20control=20music,=20and=20I=20 heard=20looping.=20And=20it=20was=20part=20of=20a=20live=20show!=20What=20i= f=20we=20got=20Tim=20Exile=20in=20this=20=20film?=20He's=20 all=20over=20Youtube=20and=20Twitter;=20he=20should=20be=20easy=20to=20cont= act.=20Maybe=20we=20should=20get=20some=20 non-liveloopers=20who=20use=20audio=20editing=20software=20for=20studio-loo= ping,=20just=20for=20completeness;=20this=20is=20about=20 all=20sample=20repetition.=20Maybe=20we=20should=20get=20Asianglow=20(a=20s= tudio=20looper)=20on=20here.=20Or=20 Lizzie,=20the=20Michigan-based=20blind=20looper,=20who=20is=20most=20likely= =20the=20only=20blind=20looper=20besides=20me.=20So=20 it=20only=20makes=20sense=20Lizzie=20and=20I=20work=20together.=20She=20and= =20Amy=20X=20Newberg=20are=20the=20only=20female=20 loopers=20I've=20ever=20heard=20from,=20as=20far=20as=20people=20who=20actu= ally=20call=20themselves=20loopers;=20Imogen=20just=20uses=20it,=20 Zoe=20Keating=20may=20be=20closer.=20(Want=20to=20hear=20Lizzie?=20Go=20to= =20the=20June=202012=20issue=20of=20the=20 Looper's=20Delight=20archive=20and=20flip=20to=20the=20June=2025th=20page). Tyler=20Z On=20Mon,=2023=20Jul=202012=2009:02:24=20+0200,=20Michael=20Peters=20wrote: >>How=20about=20we=20at=20loopers-delight.com=20and=20the=20ones=20at=20liv= elooping.org=20work=20 >>together=20to=20make=20a=20documentary=20movie=20about=20looping? > > >Tyler,=20the=20livelooping.org=20people=20are=20also=20all=20on=20the=20ma= iling=20list=20=20:) > >I=20agree,=20I=20would=20very=20much=20love=20to=20see=20a=20looping=20mov= ie,=20and=20crowdsourcing=20is=20 >probably=20the=20best=20way=20to=20finance=20it=20(I=20had=20thought=20of= =20proposing=20such=20a=20project=20 >to=20a=20culture-based=20TV=20station=20such=20as=20BBC=20but=20then=20it= =20might=20not=20be=20possible=20to=20 >sell=20it=20on=20Amazon).=20=20I=20know=20that=20several=20people=20have= =20made=20some=20video=20interviews=20 >(such=20as=20Bernhard=20Wagner=20or=20Fabio's=20friend=20Xavier=20who=20in= terviewed=20all=20of=20us=20in=20 >Rome=20a=20few=20years=20ago).=20Maybe=20more=20people=20could=20contribut= e=20similar=20video=20 >material.=20All=20of=20this=20could=20become=20part=20of=20such=20a=20movi= e,=20together=20with=20concert=20 >footage. > >I=20would=20love=20to=20have=20such=20a=20movie=20ready=20by=20next=20summ= er,=20because=20as=20I=20pointed=20 >out=20earlier,=20it=20is=20the=2050th=20anniversary=20of=20livelooping=20(= the=20tape=20delay/feedback=20 >method=20was=20invented=20by=20Terry=20Riley's=20technician=20for=20a=20Pa= ris=20show=20of=20Music=20for=20 >the=20Gift=20in=20July=201963,=20and=20eventually=20turned=20into=20the=20= Time=20Lag=20Accumulator=20and=20 >Frippertronics).=20Of=20course,=20tape=20music=20originated=20in=20the=201= 940s,=20and=20with=20it=20the=20 >use=20of=20closed=20prerecorded=20loops,=20and=20of=20course=20the=20short= =20tape=20delays=20existed=20 >before=201963,=20but=20the=20long=20delays=20(several=20seconds)=20used=20= in=20combination=20with=20 >live=20music=20that=20we=20use=20in=20livelooping=20actually=20celebrate= =20their=2050ths=20birthday=20 >next=20year. > >I=20would=20personally=20love=20to=20see=20an=20interview=20with=20Terry= =20Riley=20(and=20ideally=20also=20 >Pauline=20Oliveros)=20in=20this=20video=20but=20I=20don't=20know=20how=20t= o=20contact=20Terry.=20Also,=20 >I'm=20in=20Germany=20and=20I=20have=20no=20experience=20with=20making=20mo= vies=20anyway.=20Isn't=20there=20 >someone=20here=20on=20the=20list=20who=20lives=20in=20Southern=20Californi= a=20and=20could=20make=20a=20 >video=20with=20Terry,=20asking=20him=20about=20the=20origins=20of=20livelo= oping=20as=20he=20remembers=20 >them,=20and=20about=20his=20all-night=20flight=20concerts=20during=20the= =201960s=20with=20 >keyboard/saxophone=20livelooping? > >I'm=20thinking=20of=20making=20a=20little=20technical-documentary=20movie= =20that=20would=20explain=20 >how=20to=20do=20livelooping=20with=202=20Revox=20machines.=20That=20could= =20also=20become=20part=20of=20the=20 >video. > > >-Michael > --===============0964021524==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 23 07:18:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4019318349D; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:18:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 803902.48979.bm@omp1069.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1343027937; bh=YgDKsNXsdyUkpPqnEUZoACsK6nH/dAa+pedXaGt7uZk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=i1A/rHu7crmmc1Xh8B+U6gIPgklpwvvZ7g4QJUb9xsWdp9vIGNF+5tT4CrTlL5d9PoiFdgeoHNngi17DrKyN/V+t9CuIEOQOpPbm6fy4B6HIdpyR2eCZ74mB1RTnlkDzGv+fiNNtyHotpB09Lm68hDkKiEKM5adUDvnxEMunKc0= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=g3vSqy6wkgXSAufnaQhB6pDgLYfDrbFo+32u7DlULAVcbkgD8QGcD6tRqzkNX3dMQdJ6q2j5zwLhlb50qUnt/f3iegLWeeKQU+rxPALOKl76SMYt7Fy3UEIN5l4c15g1l/AtOwkHMqDXSNmW1msiBub2ryp/VV7lgjmlbh8Q1aM=; X-YMail-OSG: GG1y0iAVM1nIZrMVKvhHLE1DfSm1mgoeihSzRRJZ0RZ0RRU YbkR3fF5E6wsfIZ1pIsO9.fu0sVoxCd0BnvOXtNAc3hTH2xBQQIdbhcB3fQQ 2tnt46bzT3aqZHCuw8niuKbk_IVykIct20jFQEulJWwG76GYNrH6.J6JRYnc _wkj06OQExpqtMfBTZM3NvXxzeG2XLqSY6nnIJPZyA4NyRRkUUR9hFNljqGP O0hvQlcdukaJ8A9scG4pFVFU1ejaODqc6W8pHr0RfeMbsc3Cq8TwqJlGTPiN p5jkaIwcL7OAUJQxTi87t1_h_dwpo7ZmO0aCn1G3VwBuJnlYEaBu9dbjvlGU rXO8hmTvzFp5m52UnPzKEqEdT9LZk_2qrOfYvOiKTwEmI2BBHy_9I2mAByaY eYyvq1R4GOzEbTKFVb.yBdniyrrHIZ7eu8Y4HLCTQghiNTOBLH83hd5t5zb2 _3lxbCc4Q5H9bIsDTChS4RYeMTWgtKwftmPSLIr2hZZ2i45RJqEw0s3sdnzY xAXkneMzgEj04YsnoyrkGV7RREe.dA.f_EFTRedKk6fBFLDq0S7Kfa2pQwR6 1bU8RXXnMaaX4s2S8AuBwpYOb6aWoYl0Isacbeq4DJJ.2Xd_RIjBGWtdzKb7 cj5nt37uum6KEprxvACbvdZoOg6mcMIfM5vDnLvfx0UGeMOoGhtLZvIUuNhB . X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: <40DCE25E-85DD-40C4-9E1C-B079179BEDE4@baymoon.com> Message-ID: <1343027937.68601.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 00:18:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Reply-To: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: speaker cab di speaker simulators To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <40DCE25E-85DD-40C4-9E1C-B079179BEDE4@baymoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1480336445-1880234721-1343027937=:68601" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:18:59 +0000 (UTC) ---1480336445-1880234721-1343027937=:68601 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable checking it out grand Bill thnx!=0A=A0=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/luisanguloc= om=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: William Walker =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Sunday= , July 22, 2012 7:38 PM=0ASubject: speaker cab di speaker simulators=0A =0A= =0AI have a couple of these,=A0http://www.emersonwilliams.com/=A0that I use= all of the time in the studio and live, =A0because of the lack of sound is= olation in my home studio most of my tracking has been through parallel =A0= rigs. One DI stereo rig using the Ethos and my di live looping rig, one usi= ng my normal gig pedal board into my princeton and my ac 10. All of my pers= onal recording and the stuff I've collaborated with Erdem on the last coupl= e of years have used =A0this method. This one is also excellent ,=A0http://= www.radialeng.com/r2011/jdx.php=0A=A0Bill ---1480336445-1880234721-1343027937=:68601 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
checking i= t out grand Bill thnx!
 
http://www.myspace= .com/luisangulocom

From: William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.c= om>
To: Loopers-Del= ight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 7:38 PM
Subject: speaker cab di speaker simulators

I have a couple of these, http://www.emer= sonwilliams.com/ that I use all of the time in the studio and live= ,  because of the lack of sound isolation in my home studio most of my= tracking has been through parallel  rigs. One DI stereo rig using the= Ethos and my di live looping rig, one using my normal gig pedal board into= my princeton and my ac 10. All of my personal recording and the stuff I've= collaborated with Erdem on the last couple of years have used  this m= ethod. This one is also excellent , http://www.radialeng.co= m/r2011/jdx.php
 Bill


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---1480336445-1880234721-1343027937=:68601-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 23 09:05:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 927251834A1; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:05:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 785865359/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.177.107/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.177.107 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAJ4TDVBV0rFr/2dsb2JhbAANOLxcAQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYgDqneSaYthgyODHAObEY0lgVU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,638,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="785865359" Message-ID: <500D13DF.8070003@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 10:05:35 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How about a crowdsourced documentary about looping? References: <20120723071448.8687.73103.levelstar.mail@everest> In-Reply-To: <20120723071448.8687.73103.levelstar.mail@everest> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6fxZmD.A.k9H.yPRDQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:05:54 +0000 (UTC) Tyler wrote: > I got to go learn Windows > Movie Maker! I'd recommend you look for a good deal on one of the Sony Vegas limited editions, these can be very cheap. I've tried a number of free or low cost video editors, and that was easily my favourite. > this is about > all sample repetition. You'll just have to keep saying that....the liveloopers can't hear you :-) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 23 09:11:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A19F21834A0; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:11:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0964021524==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120723091106.11157.73103.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 05:11:06 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: How about a crowdsourced documentary about looping? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:11:21 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0964021524== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But=20it=20says=20it=20clearly!=20(Oh,=20that's=20right!=20I'm=20blind!=20I= =20don't=20know=20what=20font=20it's=20in!) Tyler=20Z On=20Mon,=2023=20Jul=202012=2010:05:35=20+0100,=20andy=20butler=20wrote: > > >Tyler=20wrote: > >>I=20got=20to=20go=20learn=20Windows=20 >>Movie=20Maker!=20 > >I'd=20recommend=20you=20look=20for=20a=20good=20deal=20on=20one=20of=20the= =20Sony=20Vegas=20limited=20 >editions, >these=20can=20be=20very=20cheap. > >I've=20tried=20a=20number=20of=20free=20or=20low=20cost=20video=20editors,= =20and=20that=20was=20easily >my=20favourite. > > >>this=20is=20about=20 >>all=20sample=20repetition.=20 > >You'll=20just=20have=20to=20keep=20saying=20that....the=20liveloopers=20ca= n't=20hear=20you=20:-) > >andy --===============0964021524==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 23 10:01:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95DB31834A4; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 10:01:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Uiy3YZ24LlcnAgj7kuHZnYaXG/ej+AyaUBdioDFlz1U=; b=WvHqWtU9ks1S0PCnSopuPsex5nfkfRrQfGNCyg9yydjlMX9phaTj107mXfjkubye5A LQFPMrMitWZzK24v2R1R8IEcwodp6ZtB7h5g8OOHGrK6+JXtilrS4YMMKJq3WBYy/8Sv 6HWTwQJ4giK/1AURj6tbmZjit3c66RaL8JEMSrN3onZ3Uds9EyiS67NMewD+M6qweRTA wUY2/VapUC8s88KVVQDp8JQf8ARBgj1NsjpboYO455S+suVr0HstXzhzckxIcPZfzHgt Fl1ysA223RutuOzG1UmGmKNGCZ+EZwpB40rD47YvOxbd2P/MI/BETU/IciYaXhB0nXKy CTSg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 12:01:34 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Slaving the host From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 10:01:35 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 7:47 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > I want to slave sync FL Studio to mobius so that the tempo of FL studio > automatically changes to the tempo mobius sends out after i record the > master loop. However, Fl Studio is the host. Is it possible? You have Fl Studio, so you can check out if it can follow MIDI Clock sync (that's what Mobius sends out for tempo) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 23 11:23:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEDF51834A7; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 11:23:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ROWcF6UCO/LavcfDelJ/GO9hKV2ZsXD1G/eyUr0Ic0s=; b=GnR+YxzkKil9hhcj5xe2VirxiuJMf1+68wEpyDnt4ZS041vgldlU7FoWYoXbCoRYMT d444q2t4kesqJ3iseVUZhkOCKNkeRxp9dLPTErnkVGDWNMgtsF08c8bB21OCXm1AGwo/ xuPEIWI2uvcCIPgnnTfgF9z0T/Ux0nXk1974MfK+XIBem/rd46pETwvZppaxql0lv2c0 GtysQk3NzOmfdA2pHAAwtdFw87EpnDpxScLYxru6GnbJedw9yw5dNyF7BpUk64vn8sts GjSLZV92tMfB4EtAQwrovlN46hMLHtax5iMVk7v9ZyaSAF1al6ogd6aoRy0PgcMcxSgl rhTg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <687BED8F-535C-49BB-A642-5F52FA05E793@gmail.com> References: <687BED8F-535C-49BB-A642-5F52FA05E793@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:23:15 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Raspberry pi based looping setup From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf302d49c8d8666304c57d7847 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 11:23:16 +0000 (UTC) --20cf302d49c8d8666304c57d7847 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well, you can run pure data on it, so anything is possible looper-wise. I'm not sure about the i/o though. Have you checked out the beagleboard? Pd will also run on that, so that could be another option for you. http://log.liminastudio.com/writing/tutorials/how-to-build-pd-extended-on-the-raspberry-pi Sylvain On Monday, July 23, 2012, Charlie Milkey wrote: > Has anyone ever tried to set an audio looper up on a raspberry pi unit? > For those of you who don't know what this is, it's a little credit card > sized Linux computer. It's specs aren't as good as a full size computer, > but it'd be interesting to set it up with sooperlooper. It only costs 25 > bucks, and it'd be quite portable. The 35 dollar model has 2 USB ports, as > well as an hdmi out. With a small USB hub, you could get it all in. > > So without rambling more, what do you think? > > Here is the wiki page-strangely seems to have more info than the actual > site lol > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi > > > Charlie > --20cf302d49c8d8666304c57d7847 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, you can run pure data on it, so anything is possible looper-wise. =A0= I'm not sure about the i/o though. =A0Have you checked out the beaglebo= ard? =A0Pd will also run on that, so that could be another option for you. = =A0
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Sylvain=A0

On Monday, July 23, 2012, Charl= ie Milkey wrote:
Has anyone ever tried to set an audio looper= up on a raspberry pi unit? For those of you who don't know what this i= s, it's a little credit card sized Linux computer. It's specs aren&= #39;t as good as a full size computer, but it'd be interesting to set i= t up with sooperlooper. It only costs 25 bucks, and it'd be quite porta= ble. The 35 dollar model has 2 USB ports, as well as an hdmi out. With a sm= all USB hub, you could get it all in.

So without rambling more, what do you think?

Here is the wiki page-strangely seems to have more info than the actual sit= e lol
htt= p://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi


Charlie
--20cf302d49c8d8666304c57d7847-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 23 12:04:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 419561834A7; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 12:04:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_fd009461-92f0-452b-9160-15b0e79ab429_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.53.10] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: OT - OTT - Audacity now with Paulstretch! Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 12:04:43 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2012 12:04:44.0014 (UTC) FILETIME=[58BE78E0:01CD68CB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 12:04:45 +0000 (UTC) --_fd009461-92f0-452b-9160-15b0e79ab429_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Woah - yeah - wow! Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk = --_fd009461-92f0-452b-9160-15b0e79ab429_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Woah - yeah - wow!

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

<= div>

= --_fd009461-92f0-452b-9160-15b0e79ab429_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 23 12:15:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2E781834AA; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 12:15:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Y4jhBf5blU8s9PDrcKTvM4rchnvmHbi7mbBn4M8XRTw=; b=MIZ+chRFXjC2/EcFr36gJxtXwNiEEyfdNhXVyn4nnQhCCs52+HrLZ98xk7QtZQdR9L zAxAJ1ky6nw+leLN3Z8UbJRtXjLDMtHbrzWPkCAHs3M73PaYhFyJH5w57Dq53s/Fo+Sk s/C7z4gTxHLGBZhq2aL+T0LmYS/JpRNFEBjZQAr9yuhrjiphGVe5EJ2RmJLDscGZr6in 0DMDgZysBJZx1n9m6tEWxpDAM6eTuK+joYKq6FdrdZITWw655QYtcfzXzcA/puPFv1A/ cyZU9i8naeEWdDP64lpujRpra3X/yakx60cFunodLgRhRznSMjeZRK3BSwQLKCC5w46X d/aw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 14:15:08 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT - OTT - Audacity now with Paulstretch! From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 12:15:09 +0000 (UTC) Who is Paul Stretch? Haven't heard of him. A looper? An Algo? Guess he must be digital in some way... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > Woah - yeah - wow! > > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 23 13:22:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAEB11834AC; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 13:22:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 206168.95783.bm@omp1036.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1343049762; bh=/K5GC87OvHnVy54VoRf6rFVRy9SzeSJgH0M9hxBgOdA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gE30nQhcoTXlXBHSrjTTZDKLgQI9wVfLVXUNnFTU4pmTF9U7Oq4ppyf7KZonHdS7ZTBSPRcpgs159C5VwgIMmwsgLF3//lrcFjaE2nSRXPa48dMzTuPJmbmATZuhaF/fdtrMHY02hSo0g9xehfcB4PPSgWs5Br2BOfSnWcI2eMM= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=3pqdMtL9x66utE+4wjd5H/CsXNJbOlrn/E/vCVk+h6wQUimdLQ2hLrXFMUJXqwCWPZrYdRzs+U17pYgYcBm9e0vOVLOCiBtcW4vM7BGiCPAYeU3CepUxzpQSNqgSHxsasaw6kIdbnQfsWH9vrIC9sBf6OfG6VrVccRPC718N9IU=; X-YMail-OSG: AYLxiycVM1mIFZNzmSWIumwHVWz0H9zWsQUuHrvIwKh7DV. GgIYxJ2XMy4ActgqwAeIE5ON2h4XVEh9liEm1yPuviz0dvNRvC2t0JG0vjd3 YyukO3qi61VYCg_xJFsArh7ZnVfDOEtev8jzwcFsK2TPLuKwicf2pRx61eMA UDHmwNqOMzno.f6xasPhhhVvw2PkHIzcbptA8qc_pOo72Sx.vBABfRR1uWG4 saBzhrRWlfTKI8hCW9df0JkWgOhljDTKGmBXWkOhl2P.H23ygqFzbjrAdWGQ fCj_xl52.CCr8XSc5QyizpTBA2lSOuulefuJPugjdstCq0MaXVAfdOOAEKqd xoVRYYc7ZeaEFJ._klw.wmJObqc6uQ4R.aBf88F7CwHUuqfgK8qXP3Hnx2pe nkAn4aNHHBQ_96Y.YK7nHrhGOPeI.h4wALrkogilfcOVjZ7coOxo8Z_dinNQ QN6o8vzcjDF6WvSmY66lp X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: <20120723071448.8687.73103.levelstar.mail@everest> <500D13DF.8070003@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <1343049762.14603.YahooMailNeo@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 06:22:42 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: How about a crowdsourced documentary about looping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <500D13DF.8070003@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-2002498609-677295461-1343049762=:14603" Resent-Message-ID: <5BDkMC.A.tLD.jAVDQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 13:22:43 +0000 (UTC) ---2002498609-677295461-1343049762=:14603 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yes, I worked with video Vegas back in 2002. It was a very good porgram. I used it for Foley, ADR, etc. Easy to learn, quick to use. rig ________________________________ From: andy butler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 2:05 AM Subject: Re: How about a crowdsourced documentary about looping? Tyler wrote: > I got to go learn Windows Movie Maker! I'd recommend you look for a good deal on one of the Sony Vegas limited editions, these can be very cheap. I've tried a number of free or low cost video editors, and that was easily my favourite. > this is about all sample repetition. You'll just have to keep saying that....the liveloopers can't hear you :-) andy ---2002498609-677295461-1343049762=:14603 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Yes, I worked with video Vegas back in 2002. It was a very good porgram. I used it for Foley, ADR, etc. Easy to learn, quick to use.
rig

From: andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 2:05 AM
Subject: Re: How about a crowdsourced documentary about looping?



Tyler wrote:

> I got to go learn Windows Movie Maker!

I'd recommend you look for a good deal on one of the Sony Vegas limited editions,
these can be very cheap.

I've tried a number of free or low cost video editors, and that was easily
my favourite.


> this is about all sample repetition.

You'll just have to keep saying that....the liveloopers can't hear you :-)

andy



---2002498609-677295461-1343049762=:14603-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 23 13:23:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B35091834A5; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 13:23:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_08dbe4d5-7b17-4553-ae43-0c1f349d9f5e_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.53.10] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: OT - OTT - Audacity now with Paulstretch! Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 13:23:08 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2012 13:23:08.0912 (UTC) FILETIME=[4D14EF00:01CD68D6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 13:23:10 +0000 (UTC) --_08dbe4d5-7b17-4553-ae43-0c1f349d9f5e_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paulstretch is not an extremely tall looper it's an extreme time-stretching= algorithm that has been PC-only for years.. Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > Date: Mon=2C 23 Jul 2012 14:15:08 +0200 > Subject: Re: OT - OTT - Audacity now with Paulstretch! > From: perboysen@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > Who is Paul Stretch? Haven't heard of him. > A looper? An Algo? > Guess he must be digital in some way... >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 > On Mon=2C Jul 23=2C 2012 at 2:04 PM=2C Gareth Whittock > wrote: > > Woah - yeah - wow! > > > > Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > > > > >=20 = --_08dbe4d5-7b17-4553-ae43-0c1f349d9f5e_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Paulstretch is not an extremely tall looper it's an extreme time-stretching= algorithm that has been PC-only for years..

Gareth Whittock=2C soun= d artist: garethw= hittock.co.uk

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>=3B On Mon=2C Jul= 23=2C 2012 at 2:04 PM=2C Gareth Whittock
>=3B <=3Bbuddhamachine@liv= e.co.uk>=3B wrote:
>=3B >=3B Woah - yeah - wow!
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= --_08dbe4d5-7b17-4553-ae43-0c1f349d9f5e_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 23 13:26:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4C2D1834B2; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 13:26:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_a7f43f9f-8f3d-40cf-bb1b-cd188298c23f_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.53.10] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: OT - OTT - Audacity now with Paulstretch! Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 13:26:28 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2012 13:26:29.0187 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4747930:01CD68D6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 13:26:30 +0000 (UTC) --_a7f43f9f-8f3d-40cf-bb1b-cd188298c23f_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paulstretch is not an extremely tall looper it's an extreme time-stretching= algorithm that has been PC-only for years.. You van now get it on MAc as p= art of the Audacity editing software Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > Date: Mon=2C 23 Jul 2012 14:15:08 +0200 > Subject: Re: OT - OTT - Audacity now with Paulstretch! > From: perboysen@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > Who is Paul Stretch? Haven't heard of him. > A looper? An Algo? > Guess he must be digital in some way... >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 > On Mon=2C Jul 23=2C 2012 at 2:04 PM=2C Gareth Whittock > wrote: > > Woah - yeah - wow! > > > > Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > > > > >=20 = --_a7f43f9f-8f3d-40cf-bb1b-cd188298c23f_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Paulstretch is not an extremely tall looper it's an extrem= e time-stretching algorithm that has been PC-only for years.. You van now g= et it on MAc as part of the Audacity editing software

Gareth Whittoc= k=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

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= --_a7f43f9f-8f3d-40cf-bb1b-cd188298c23f_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 23 14:42:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FFED1834B5; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 14:42:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=juf5h+weZEPXAgGR5mRAz8WMMsJhUfG61sTo/VplCXw=; b=xy/va5iUlhuga8vNTjPAiO2+q5/zPg6ROuESRcUwq8YprBKCJlshJhhL5TluOnaUwx VxjqHIyY5LwCVWme2VeMWPVmcIUAAOqKzxdOJhwOPgwkrT/w3Vv16Iw3LkFocfNnFpbQ HN44JhPNWaKIDGXew5qmsYT6yOpR4titADv8es2TwDUwOsNlPnae/OjSW4BUrgC8jAPn 0hQeGvcElh5WEKSXJ88Ph1LXtMbX+doEizVm6EVxbs0AJnaeNKZCjz8y1p7c2vrQlg8D A6/XtooYYbDw9BF/FP9Vji525zQvNlSQAGIIXQLxsVMLTa3i5oJgZwZsdexAaeVeuFcH cbIw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 08:42:13 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT - OTT - Audacity now with Paulstretch! From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 14:42:14 +0000 (UTC) Paulstretch has been available for both the Mac and Linux for at least two years now =85 I've been using it on my old Mac G5 tower for two years. Funny things is that it hasn't been so easy to use on the Intel-based Macs =85 Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > Paulstretch is not an extremely tall looper it's an extreme time-stretchi= ng > algorithm that has been PC-only for years.. You van now get it on MAc as > part of the Audacity editing software > > > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > >> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 14:15:08 +0200 >> Subject: Re: OT - OTT - Audacity now with Paulstretch! >> From: perboysen@gmail.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> Who is Paul Stretch? Haven't heard of him. >> A looper? An Algo? >> Guess he must be digital in some way... >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Gareth Whittock >> wrote: >> > Woah - yeah - wow! >> > >> > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk >> > >> > >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 23 15:11:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D69391834B8; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:11:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_91708f56-66b5-4793-9abe-ac44db968358_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.53.10] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: OT - OTT - Audacity now with Paulstretch! Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:11:21 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,,,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2012 15:11:21.0036 (UTC) FILETIME=[6AB070C0:01CD68E5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:11:22 +0000 (UTC) --_91708f56-66b5-4793-9abe-ac44db968358_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah=2C I didn't realise that. Anyway=2C it's cool that it's built into the n= ew Audacity. Peace g Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > Date: Mon=2C 23 Jul 2012 08:42:13 -0600 > Subject: Re: OT - OTT - Audacity now with Paulstretch! > From: sinsofmachaut@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > Paulstretch has been available for both the Mac and Linux for at least > two years now =85 I've been using it on my old Mac G5 tower for two > years. Funny things is that it hasn't been so easy to use on the > Intel-based Macs =85 >=20 > Best=2C >=20 > Dennis >=20 > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >=20 >=20 > On Mon=2C Jul 23=2C 2012 at 7:26 AM=2C Gareth Whittock > wrote: > > Paulstretch is not an extremely tall looper it's an extreme time-stretc= hing > > algorithm that has been PC-only for years.. You van now get it on MAc a= s > > part of the Audacity editing software > > > > > > Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > > > >> Date: Mon=2C 23 Jul 2012 14:15:08 +0200 > >> Subject: Re: OT - OTT - Audacity now with Paulstretch! > >> From: perboysen@gmail.com > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> > >> Who is Paul Stretch? Haven't heard of him. > >> A looper? An Algo? > >> Guess he must be digital in some way... > >> > >> Greetings from Sweden > >> > >> Per Boysen > >> www.perboysen.com > >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > >> > >> > >> On Mon=2C Jul 23=2C 2012 at 2:04 PM=2C Gareth Whittock > >> wrote: > >> > Woah - yeah - wow! > >> > > >> > Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > >> > > >> > > >> >=20 = --_91708f56-66b5-4793-9abe-ac44db968358_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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>=3B Date: Mon=2C 23 Jul 2012 08:42:13 -0600
>=3B Subje= ct: Re: OT - OTT - Audacity now with Paulstretch!
>=3B From: sinsofmac= haut@gmail.com
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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>=3B Paulstretch has been available for both the Mac and Linux for at= least
>=3B two years now =85 I've been using it on my old Mac G5 towe= r for two
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>=3B >=3B>=3B Subject: Re: O= T - OTT - Audacity now with Paulstretch!
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>=3B >=3B>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.c= om
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B Who is Paul Stretch? Haven= 't heard of him.
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>=3B >=3B>=3B On Mon=2C Jul 23=2C 2012 at 2:04 PM= =2C Gareth Whittock
>=3B >=3B>=3B <=3Bbuddhamachine@live.co.uk&g= t=3B wrote:
>=3B >=3B>=3B >=3B Woah - yeah - wow!
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>=3B >=3B>=3B >=3B Gareth Whittock=2C sound art= ist: garethwhittock.co.uk
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= --_91708f56-66b5-4793-9abe-ac44db968358_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 23 15:21:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4A2C1834B7; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:21:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=17w5cf+iR/rWcIL9+W3dhNcJesYUeGGb6GYszk/kRZ4=; b=bopgeWw0js48viptM1vnubgHEjbgqR1eALt1XPXf5QQ0oHUnu9ScI7crHO94+MMVil YwBmdjvc4+WLXK6EnbDOsGhZFzEKEcgUw37pcAmz/tuKR8aHJWkM0s+RpQAkuu0NXDn/ VbkTQ0pz7oabRIYj0xxPp7p/dZE6Xx0rYQ38NcrMZcj111LttuoGQUvG+u6wlgQ/GI0J qUIylh3LoXaIUQvUxJALjyAjPzPAyjMMgwHJ6tl1/Ld8zp1K9d10EMelmFmrsvG/ZBkT bht7wlHGf0DIP9zYQv1meC2A7EsRKhZGL/Z8++7Wf7AzCFRDSDXWKMGTQmFl+1k3UadY SZ9g== Message-ID: <500D6BE9.6030401@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:21:13 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Request for advice on upgrade from Boss RC-20 particularly related to collaboration format/method References: <500CBF3E.5090900@nc.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <500CBF3E.5090900@nc.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <28aJa.A.6kE.uvWDQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:21:18 +0000 (UTC) Tone schrieb: > However, the ability to "undo" a fail in an overdub has obvious appeal > and, after reading dialogs in this group, am considering upgrading. > As an "old dog", my first inclination Although not part of your question: the ability to "undo" as a creative tool has even more appeal than the ability to "undo" a fail (although this is not as obvious). Many of the artists exploiting the deep feature set of the EDP to the max make use of undo/redo, not only on normal overdubs, but on any kind of processing. > Incidentally, with respect to collaboration, sorry for the newbie > question, but is there a (de facto) international standard format, > method ? I'm reluctant to invest the time and energy to learn the ins > and outs of a site like http://www.kompoz.com (much less future > financial compensation) if I could just email files back and forth > between myself and an artist with Thanks for mentioning that site - hadn't heard of it before, but it looks interesting for incorporating version management. That being said: no, I don't know of a standard (or the other possible reply would be "ProTools" ;). That syncing issue with compressed audio they mention on Kompoz is new to me (the fact that we're talking audible length changes here). Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 23 15:35:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E16EB1834BD; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:35:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 798457725/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.177.107/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.177.107 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAOFtDVBV0rFr/2dsb2JhbAANOLxfAQEBAwE4QBELIRYECwkDAgECAUUcAYgDqVaFGI4ajwSDHAObEY0lgV4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,639,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="798457725" Message-ID: <500D6F43.8050802@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:35:31 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Request for advice on upgrade from Boss RC-20 particularly related to collaboration format/method References: <500CBF3E.5090900@nc.rr.com> <500D6BE9.6030401@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <500D6BE9.6030401@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:35:23 +0000 (UTC) >> Incidentally, with respect to collaboration, sorry for the newbie >> question, but is there a (de facto) international standard format, >> method ? apart from proprietary formats like protools the thing to do is use wav files. Make sure that any files for a multi-track session have the silence at the beginning of the track included, so that they are easy to line up in any editor. :-) make sure you agree on sample rate. Don't try sending .wav by email...to large. If you haven't got webspace to use, then I think a lot of folks here would recommend "Dropbox". andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 23 15:46:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6D871834BD; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:46:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1Tvee8sT2oLSPQJFFpBvTsZcnrKjBBo+qSBp/BfOo6c=; b=R5eyYNUBLa0alQxjZdWzbcsE2dfuedENxriH76b5zTP20C1IjF9y+/JhQ6EDCzglCM AKpBuB+gGMNlJ/VU7L1rbcyU72zn7OH6KeS1+Bun50tmnELVdZbB6uFeyrwa0irJrk5a SMlmMVJGsX2V9KJ7lHdLeTlBgX7K98PLEIHpoxONj/jDGzcm/tDr14kzexgMXJVeplm3 7j5SDs/7jIyOvyvQ9RN1TimxeikFtipmNwbAvPFZYOXlhzWMB4TMd3Orn2vibT/bsgg4 bor8LtQTzfIggqiDLYWUrUSpnGLp/QW0E5q/D4+s4DptUpNck8475OZiN1AIeT83PqLq CjIQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:46:37 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT - OTT - Audacity now with Paulstretch! From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:46:38 +0000 (UTC) It's great news, Gareth =97=A0guess I'll be updating my copy of Audactiy today! I really like using Paulstretch=85 Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > Ah, I didn't realise that. Anyway, it's cool that it's built into the new > Audacity. > > Peace > > g > > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > >> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 08:42:13 -0600 > >> Subject: Re: OT - OTT - Audacity now with Paulstretch! >> From: sinsofmachaut@gmail.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> >> Paulstretch has been available for both the Mac and Linux for at least >> two years now =85 I've been using it on my old Mac G5 tower for two >> years. Funny things is that it hasn't been so easy to use on the >> Intel-based Macs =85 >> >> Best, >> >> Dennis >> >> http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin >> http://audiozoloft.com >> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Gareth Whittock >> wrote: >> > Paulstretch is not an extremely tall looper it's an extreme >> > time-stretching >> > algorithm that has been PC-only for years.. You van now get it on MAc = as >> > part of the Audacity editing software >> > >> > >> > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk >> > >> >> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 14:15:08 +0200 >> >> Subject: Re: OT - OTT - Audacity now with Paulstretch! >> >> From: perboysen@gmail.com >> >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> >> >> Who is Paul Stretch? Haven't heard of him. >> >> A looper? An Algo? >> >> Guess he must be digital in some way... >> >> >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> >> >> Per Boysen >> >> www.perboysen.com >> >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Gareth Whittock >> >> wrote: >> >> > Woah - yeah - wow! >> >> > >> >> > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 23 15:53:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 305511834B8; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:53:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bnOMU2LXu0hVEAy2AUnJZd14Ri9+Y1EyG2phRS/XxrE=; b=rre+4Da6RNec+5c44Ca4ehRMPwC7nqDQIOffvvDc5JeQa6BwWT0c+mfpH2mBZW5p5n FACCMxn91sbw24IYkblMoBVrgoTYm4R3TWfpYsCDg9xwuu+hu8zc/5MPo/sn9FFvaJBA DlKT8hQVlkfiehqdxO2MuYE1nkAcd0EEz0rjTXspuP7oqIbil4nBqlZc4YmYg1PjkP0G Vrl7fZm6Vmx3lGydc18OTaideZkrarvBG2YgVoQTRXGShk9r0otf1xSKs7w7nnL1rO/A XhT4jiBKJZ8Fp8AvIkP8OhSmQj0Y+rALhW55v/lymz4Br/9DoPKYLQtocYEC/M36817q 6u3Q== Message-ID: <500D738B.5070202@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:53:47 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - OTT - Audacity now with Paulstretch! References: ,, In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:53:59 +0000 (UTC) Gareth Whittock schrieb: > Paulstretch is not an extremely tall looper it's an extreme > time-stretching algorithm that has been PC-only for years.. You van > now get it on MAc as part of the Audacity editing software Ah, pity, the name isn't as funny as I hoped...the author is called Paul, and I thought it was a hit at the DIRAC timestretch algorithm ;) -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 23 16:04:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 032EB1834C1; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:04:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=e5EzrBLSYgzWeOHKllzXS+elSHwAbxE4TSf/bjmzt0U=; b=f1JbReJjLNfpjX2CTehqheteBXmUTAOCHOwXJQLqfwzJtCizjAahGYRl4CAuqKb5ih vmXMuGHZLHXfi6ZzSxEKU4d0HsmDX7Ndy2WwWy+DDTS/94z165SQ/rIbQoEho9o+60Dv +a9a7ZeIrpT87obMQijitZH51wfWc5m7QS0AXK2fUU+xPepYSCXfkN276ksbkrKRK9Nf QmxoBxeTQ/PeKBMooLqaqrk2TU12is+hKxST8Vq0RJD00KTmKgl7yPd5QXLFFo29A2CH Lzl15kHvMfjkhqoFcmwMo5EVKkGewpR4aGKSs99xS/ffOwllTnmG6lsCeu6zMWg50ZFe qMhg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <500D738B.5070202@googlemail.com> References: <500D738B.5070202@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 12:04:22 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT - OTT - Audacity now with Paulstretch! From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9cdbf69267e4304c581663d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:04:22 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9cdbf69267e4304c581663d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don't think anyone has ref'd this yet but an interview with the creator of 'PaulStretch', http://www.microscopics.co.uk/blog/2010/paulstretch-an-interview-with-paul-= nasca/ Jim On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Rainer Straschill < moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote: > Gareth Whittock schrieb: > > Paulstretch is not an extremely tall looper it's an extreme >> time-stretching algorithm that has been PC-only for years.. You van now = get >> it on MAc as part of the Audacity editing software >> > Ah, pity, the name isn't as funny as I hoped...the author is called Paul, > and I thought it was a hit at the DIRAC timestretch algorithm ;) > > -- > http://moinlabs.de > Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs > > --=20 --=20 *jimgoodin.com* - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minimalism' *The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music* - 'Organically inspired New Music' *From Brooklyn To Glindran *, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from this CD will benefit *JDRF International * *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. --14dae9cdbf69267e4304c581663d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--14dae9cdbf69267e4304c581663d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 23 16:16:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24CBC1834C2; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:16:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ceHteHaQ/GrdRRB+FqnzVF663ayoUWaGP/AkItrHvvY=; b=L5nJ5Fz6EDAkPWeKh2ny6rmEnYItT8hHKtJB5+7mde5ysWSMKgUfMHpzrZRUyCkzn1 YOsrLPf+omuD0ULZZbARFXtc+7NgYEUKfOrlH2/DOSHkj+aaRKD2VIM3YJixvGxwMvSz MNylX8dx0ySSJbUukLl4z6YETeTm+JqZS4iGdfz0DnJ60LPeDletKxc/A48+pPWk6oNS k2NoEdItxJymWWYVQfi5+4NONRfAdnVLzHPK2t2AbC8wIjRcvJ3J7wUGNWg3mTiUqpVx gAN7SIh69nE47YBBNqqnJkqiUJKsmQunnjJKTbAzuOMga8AH4hPfg/PMXoQYTDJhfP5c Ug7w== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 12:16:03 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT - OTT - Audacity now with Paulstretch! From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04088fadf7e49904c5818f56 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:16:05 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04088fadf7e49904c5818f56 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Gareth! I have this version of Audacity and hadn't noticed Paulstretch added :) It is a very simplified version compared to the standalone but should be a nice addition. The ability to stretch just a portion of a track is intriguing! J On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:04 AM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > Woah - yeah - wow! > > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > > > --f46d04088fadf7e49904c5818f56 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Gareth! I have this version of Audacity and hadn't noticed Pauls= tretch added :) It is a very simplified version compared to the standalone = but should be a nice addition. The ability to stretch just a portion of a t= rack is intriguing!

J

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:04 AM, G= areth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk> wrote:
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Woah - yeah - wow!

Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk



--f46d04088fadf7e49904c5818f56-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 23 16:23:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E50931834C8; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:23:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <20120723161605.721141834C8@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20120723161605.721141834C8@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: OT - OTT - Audacity now with Paulstretch! Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:23:31 +0200 Message-ID: <003b01cd68ef$8046abc0$80d40340$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01CD6900.43CF7BC0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac1o7np7By6TfMCtQAqWxxIE0T//5wAAM0Hw Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:23:34 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CD6900.43CF7BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Don't think anyone has ref'd this yet but an interview with the = creator of 'PaulStretch', = = http://www.microscopics.co.uk/blog/2010/paulstretch-an-interview-with-pau= l-nasca/ =20 thanks Jim! interesting. I was surprised that 9-beet stretch wasn't = done with Paulstretch but that it rather was an inspiration for = Paulstretch. What was 9-beet stretch done with then? Hmm .. -Michael =20 ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CD6900.43CF7BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> Don't think anyone has ref'd this yet but an interview with the creator = of 'PaulStretch', http://www.microscopics.co.uk/blog/2010= /paulstretch-an-interview-with-paul-nasca/

 

thanks Jim!=C2=A0 interesting. I was surprised = that 9-beet stretch wasn't done with Paulstretch but that it rather was an inspiration = for Paulstretch. What was 9-beet stretch = done with then? Hmm ..

-Michael

 

------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CD6900.43CF7BC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 23 16:30:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B7F51834C1; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:30:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=m1hb+xNMaZqtc0SlYuQWvqXtJUD1qhJRc/hRVAmx3q8=; b=0MIE1sDRHi6MGZNFr1JaQLWKkNdzo2TNrL4Wnxu8j1zqaMwwiL2cOTIBtU+MAQiYlg lTN8HGdZM8dZxR36GPxCUoBo1e83tXmN/QArx9eKjJJ4AF/uaqRwxQfazQha0obxmo3g 5pg9AY6B0qKxhB7QSKDNLsN98ueJu7kVhD7WOl6F6vBsrPqFoPTI04TOYm9/+CwNaQbn Tv2mRrVnngiOrb5sen01A/A//QZJ4JAqAnaRujIxPkygNyDUGO9/nZepL/U5Aph639pE JOIPE4b/LjllVO5zbRw1/X27g1FAh305A95NGGHHNUEFSPzcQm/QAkskd8uWJkMBK6Yd xsSA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:30:12 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT - OTT - Audacity now with Paulstretch! From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:30:12 +0000 (UTC) It's a timestretch effect (you can increase the duration of a sound without changing the pitch). This is kind of a difficult to hear sample, but on this episode of my radio show: http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com/player/web/2012-07-11T00_27_26-07_00 ...I use PaulStretch at 0:34:23 on the chorus of "Buffalo Stance" by Neneh Cherry, stretching out the chorus to about 2.5 minutes. Of the timestretches I've heard, it's not my favorite. It sounds like it adds reverb to the sounds, and they get a lot more dirty. It makes things sound like a Tim Hecker record. (I like Tim Hecker quite a bit, but I don't want to sound like him.) Also, it doesn't have an interface for choosing the final duration. Instead, you choose how many times the original length you want the final length to be. (Selecting "2" will turn a 1 minute sample into a 2 minute sample.) So, if you're using it for something other than idle playing around, you'll need to whip out a calculator. I do like that it lets you choose the "windowing" setting (or something like that). That loosely lets you choose how grainy you want the timestretch to sound. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 5:15 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Who is Paul Stretch? Haven't heard of him. > A looper? An Algo? > Guess he must be digital in some way... > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Gareth Whittock > wrote: >> Woah - yeah - wow! >> >> Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 23 18:44:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 359ED183466; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:44:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=6ryo2y94Ihjuh6nuBLz/f6ZBW2OwPFNVQz7/lgVlRAs=; b=mcoEn3axyQL4P3q+U4/sq4DMJLE1QDSykEXFF3jARdmv0ro1huXmGuoBwtdw7a0Se5 7Xh5avp4VcSSNmocrigO6+0OQFz6IdXjudQs9VLAES8UM63yARuaoTjbGGlH8EjwOoQU qvinXHIoZf9p/GoLdKUoKXBk+SBwJkBa8ObdJUFrK4EQ5gQ+zaBOnH5JG2CSw/VmeG57 3+tDNvd//eX6M9/R8isIjicjEakPqlU+6m7G6K6tXDxmHy3l+IfcqUPohG2QufUDvSHq 1XLtyJ1UJd55Ng82oj+dXYbfquMAYogSW4LdAkvh1Fz2b28CSXYpeqXC3IBEw3hOmawX F/nQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 19:44:29 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT - OTT - Audacity now with Paulstretch! From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <0lsWDD.A.LZ.OuZDQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:44:30 +0000 (UTC) PaulStretch is great! On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > It's a timestretch effect (you can increase the duration of a sound > without changing the pitch). > > This is kind of a difficult to hear sample, but on this episode of my > radio show: > http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com/player/web/2012-07-11T00_27_26-07_00 > ...I use PaulStretch at 0:34:23 on the chorus of "Buffalo Stance" by > Neneh Cherry, stretching out the chorus to about 2.5 minutes. > > Of the timestretches I've heard, it's not my favorite. It sounds like > it adds reverb to the sounds, and they get a lot more dirty. It makes > things sound like a Tim Hecker record. (I like Tim Hecker quite a bit, > but I don't want to sound like him.) > > Also, it doesn't have an interface for choosing the final duration. > Instead, you choose how many times the original length you want the > final length to be. (Selecting "2" will turn a 1 minute sample into a > 2 minute sample.) So, if you're using it for something other than idle > playing around, you'll need to whip out a calculator. I do like that > it lets you choose the "windowing" setting (or something like that). > That loosely lets you choose how grainy you want the timestretch to > sound. > > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > > On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 5:15 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> Who is Paul Stretch? Haven't heard of him. >> A looper? An Algo? >> Guess he must be digital in some way... >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Gareth Whittock >> wrote: >>> Woah - yeah - wow! >>> >>> Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk >>> >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 23 20:28:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31DFF183466; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 20:28:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Nqw7HfRhqVvTnhzyIzx5vj0JK6uxUGbNI/GtDZ2rT3Y=; b=vCywhaIvT4JECCI3yXkb1G8689/Qee/L5vOHOLkRTlYGsQr3yJLtaYUcVrQbVdF3gM yHuizbxPpn/EcC7mRvBpMT0p3WVye/8h5A6e5IE2AJclR95cSwCqpLTcY9375W+6eac8 jVUmg3GP6oUWmA+9IhhubsrxOOcPSItroncjdsrVublAmrcGgvu9jRUYeDZYQm8aIQcK H1rZ+Mpy6eILqbYN8gUJWdI54uOX89pyFvSmO/YfUvVKOXsYlFyHHnV2KFYvvJkCvz8k +i+zfL0h73RNMoC8DPsET9Md327ykm7rTnL+8ya6987g/B5rCeFdfongAq2mLBgSxAnN Qcng== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:28:42 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: digitech jamman looper/delay opinions wanted From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4e43ab818273da04c5851783 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 20:28:43 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4e43ab818273da04c5851783 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i don't own one, but i ALMOST got one a few months back.... supposedly you can dump the delay stuff you do into a jamman sampler (i think) i'd check out youtube vids to see if it's something you'd like. when i was going to get it, there was one on ebay for around $200.... i think i decided against it b/c the delay is just like the DL8 delay...so no varispeed options... i had a boss rc20 yrs ago....to me the jammans seemed similar in operation...more memory of course, can save more loops (99 vs the rc's did like 11 or something) of course if you saw my post about my begging digitech to remake the pds8000, the support person said that the chips are no longer available and he recommeded me to try out the DIGITECH JAMMAN DELAY....so he seems to think it's similar. i, from what i've read and seen in vids do not think it does what the pds8000 can do.... i'm sure it's a fine looping option....good luck s---- --e0cb4e43ab818273da04c5851783 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i don't own one, but i ALMOST got one a few months back....
<= div>supposedly you can dump the delay stuff you do into a jamman sampler (i= think)
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i think i decided against it b/c the delay is just = like the DL8 delay...so no varispeed options...
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i h= ad a boss rc20 yrs ago....to me the jammans seemed similar in operation...m= ore memory of course, can save more loops (99 vs the rc's did like 11 o= r something)
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of course if you saw my post about my begging digitech t= o remake the pds8000, the support person said that the chips are no longer = available
and he recommeded me to try out the DIGITECH JAMMAN DEL= AY....so he seems to think it's similar. i, from what i've read and= seen in vids
do not think it does what the pds8000 can do....
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i'm sure it's a fine looping option....good luck
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--e0cb4e43ab818273da04c5851783-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 23 20:41:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19DD3183473; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 20:41:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <500DB70A.5090504@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 13:41:46 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Peters CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: How about a crowdsourced documentary about looping? References: <003301cd68a1$1d206ca0$576145e0$@de> In-Reply-To: <003301cd68a1$1d206ca0$576145e0$@de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 20:41:44 +0000 (UTC) For what it's worth, the L.A. based film maker/live video artist, Arkmay (aka Mark Thorton) has shot an entire feature length documentary of the Y2KX 10th Anniversary Live Looping Festival with very extensive interviews with many of the people involved. He's been swamped with work (how great for him) since he moved to L.A. and so it's been very slow going for his documentary, unfortunately. I don't know if he still intends to finish this film or not but that footage exists at least. I'll write him again and ask him what is up. yours, Rick On 7/23/12 12:02 AM, Michael Peters wrote: "..........I know that several people have made some video interviews (such as Bernhard Wagner or Fabio's friend Xavier who interviewed all of us in Rome a few years ago). Maybe more people could contribute similar video material......." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 23 20:56:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2D15183465; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 20:56:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=4MUrL5fqLmcT8rD2VOh8poHzeWWy4MKNsJGF9CqRJzM=; b=mr2lG7Ch2/lCry7dedJsP32AtgUs0HezU6Ozup0McrvIaOmwysVwXrXcSO3mm9VJ8G nd7aQAlJcaaqvnCUROlL10C8XwikSK9ct1nQ0YrQ2yejdQOzupFx16d4RYreqIkVGl7k gy9V7Kg97Fm7Dt3GZSLWxFSo4QYuzHWTx9rnIZos1W6qHuMW2aGqKLaz4FksU52fDt3G +zuKD5diGH7F/0ZHE5S9QD+F9ovZTWw8SvzNOfKS5odISGXofrR3GY4FN6Yw1z1GqF+e Itr7NXvWPW7av+HccpThByswMsT2qVxDuO1a+EZ3WKIhXTqEcuKj88aZJRW6GTgANGWJ 5GIg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <500DB70A.5090504@cruzio.com> References: <003301cd68a1$1d206ca0$576145e0$@de> <500DB70A.5090504@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 13:56:40 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: RE: How about a crowdsourced documentary about looping? From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 20:56:41 +0000 (UTC) I think that a documentary of the live looping festivals would be more manageable and perhaps meaningful to this crowd. Making a full fledged documentary about looping seems a really immense project whereas the festival angle makes it only a huge task but has the benefit of access to most everyone involved. Personally I think it would be a fantastic project that would appeal to a lot of folks and open up the concept to a larger audience. Speaking of documentaries, anyone else watched Between the Folds? I don't say this often or lightly, but this movie blew my mind. Its ostensibly about paper folding and origami but....really, everyone who enjoys thinking should give up an hour and absorb it. And really, its no so very different than looping if you think about it. Kevin On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > For what it's worth, the L.A. based film maker/live video artist, Arkmay > (aka Mark Thorton) has shot an entire feature > length documentary of the Y2KX 10th Anniversary Live Looping Festival with > very extensive interviews > with many of the people involved. > > He's been swamped with work (how great for him) since he moved to L.A. and > so it's been very slow going > for his documentary, unfortunately. > > I don't know if he still intends to finish this film or not but that footage > exists at least. > > I'll write him again and ask him what is up. > > yours, Rick > > > > On 7/23/12 12:02 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > > "..........I know that several people have made some video interviews (such > as Bernhard Wagner or Fabio's friend Xavier who interviewed all of us in > Rome a few years ago). Maybe more people could contribute similar video > material......." > -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 23 21:00:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE73D183466; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 21:00:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0964021524==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120723205942.26146.73103.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:59:47 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: RE: How about a crowdsourced documentary about looping? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 21:00:00 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0964021524== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kind=20of=20like=20this=20audio=20documentary=20of=20the=20y2kx=206=20(2006= )=20festival.=20It's=20highly=20recommended=20 you=20click=20the=20first=20HTML=20file. http://www.loopers-delight.com/anniversary Tyler=20Z On=20Mon,=2023=20Jul=202012=2013:56:40=20-0700,=20Kevin=20Cheli-Colando=20w= rote: >I=20think=20that=20a=20documentary=20of=20the=20live=20looping=20festivals= =20would=20be=20more >manageable=20and=20perhaps=20meaningful=20to=20this=20crowd.=20=20Making= =20a=20full >fledged=20documentary=20about=20looping=20seems=20a=20really=20immense=20p= roject >whereas=20the=20festival=20angle=20makes=20it=20only=20a=20huge=20task=20b= ut=20has=20the >benefit=20of=20access=20to=20most=20everyone=20involved. > >Personally=20I=20think=20it=20would=20be=20a=20fantastic=20project=20that= =20would=20appeal >to=20a=20lot=20of=20folks=20and=20open=20up=20the=20concept=20to=20a=20lar= ger=20audience. > >Speaking=20of=20documentaries,=20anyone=20else=20watched=20Between=20the= =20Folds?=20=20I >don't=20say=20this=20often=20or=20lightly,=20but=20this=20movie=20blew=20m= y=20mind.=20=20Its >ostensibly=20about=20paper=20folding=20and=20origami=20but....really,=20ev= eryone=20who >enjoys=20thinking=20should=20give=20up=20an=20hour=20and=20absorb=20it.=20= =20And=20really,=20its >no=20so=20very=20different=20than=20looping=20if=20you=20think=20about=20i= t. > >Kevin > >On=20Mon,=20Jul=2023,=202012=20at=201:41=20PM,=20Rick=20Walker=20=20wrote: >>For=20what=20it's=20worth,=20=20the=20L.A.=20based=20film=20maker/live=20= video=20artist,=20=20Arkmay >>(aka=20Mark=20Thorton)=20has=20shot=20an=20entire=20feature >>length=20documentary=20of=20the=20Y2KX=2010th=20Anniversary=20Live=20Loop= ing=20Festival=20with >>very=20extensive=20interviews >>with=20many=20of=20the=20people=20involved. >> >>He's=20been=20swamped=20with=20work=20(how=20great=20for=20him)=20since= =20he=20moved=20to=20L.A.=20and >>so=20it's=20been=20very=20slow=20going >>for=20his=20documentary,=20unfortunately. >> >>I=20don't=20know=20if=20he=20still=20intends=20to=20finish=20this=20film= =20or=20not=20but=20that=20footage >>exists=20at=20least. >> >>I'll=20write=20him=20again=20and=20ask=20him=20what=20is=20up. >> >>yours,=20=20=20=20=20Rick >> >> >> >>On=207/23/12=2012:02=20AM,=20Michael=20Peters=20wrote: >> >>"..........I=20know=20that=20several=20people=20have=20made=20some=20vide= o=20interviews=20(such >>as=20Bernhard=20Wagner=20or=20Fabio's=20friend=20Xavier=20who=20interview= ed=20all=20of=20us=20in >>Rome=20a=20few=20years=20ago).=20Maybe=20more=20people=20could=20contribu= te=20similar=20video >>material......." >> > > > >--=20 >Till=20now=20you=20seriously=20considered=20yourself=20to=20be=20the=20bod= y=20and=20to=20have=20a >form.=20That=20is=20the=20primal=20ignorance=20which=20is=20the=20root=20c= ause=20of=20all=20trouble. > >-=20Ramana=20Maharshi=20(1879-1950) > >Sound=20and=20Vision:=20=20http://www.minds-eye.org >Video=20http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos --===============0964021524==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 23 22:31:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F14F183473; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 22:31:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3606 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 22:31:32 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:20:46 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: "Visions from a Festival" Photo Essay on Flickr Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, Experimental Film Discussion List Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 22:31:32 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I had the good fortune to attend three days of the Vision Festival in New York this past June, and took a lot of photos, mostly abstracts inspired by the wonderful improvised music. I use a camera motion technique to create these abstracts (which I call 'Swirlies'), and think of them as a photographic form of action painting. I hope some of the feeling, energy, and expansiveness of the music can be seen in these images, which can be seen at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/sets/72157630705869328/ A smaller set can be seen at http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151057135872720&set=a.10151057135792720.453741.816422719&type=1&relevant_count=25&ref=nf BTW Some of my videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 24 00:38:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99D32183463; Tue, 24 Jul 2012 00:38:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 685740.34984.bm@omp1036.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1343090311; bh=KMT0wgJ84o0RPUW+BKhpZzE8qA3KfhhWsJ97Y2UvPP8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Be190z1Wj0goNEYJ1wwqtv5XQzsts8z75ODPN+A/qKN7RQV9u5kd+6oakFIMlcNzFDS/WUqJtm+i4i6iQhvY4P5KpnVN0jYLSdoPqh+9q79ayUtbLVYaBJFK8SpyUWNuRQJkhH6phEPOU1mIe6JmK67Ck+TRhrUSUeP5SysSbiI= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hwuJYNXiGF3EhRrheKvtwwg6Lnak+XT/7JYnmMGMJ741+EWW88L4RBccaPREpr3v5+X5/awJje7Qrcz+z8lfgASI9jbMajbIy1ws6gnr3LVpoSxFWMkhY5MYB89YFQuK/jGz5PhsD9ylKtxRIisj77lAujhr82WzVbH5IJ/QIhU=; X-YMail-OSG: V3WEw8kVM1mhN1QM2EHKJxQsfVgqPp1OCdQ8gbAdFguUqNq 9bFkQwQJGmjbLrvG2lSnJuWtrInkgpnHq9alnOpsS3N5sgwnxZWZMp.pEef5 L40Lh1.EMo2uDuKRcaNh6S0_OgZAExMCvVXi5B0R0lDRI2IR1hVVXDIw8qJq peVP6Nqr5eMBbSfYolxz16dG7M563v0H0tJEC_oBqnNJQOdp9K0tZPuLBzEn AIm8TtUaXYDsDXxjxNjRBkskIGvW4OrpQHH5WBgOBHONQp0wej5FCdobnbuk b_oRYAhqndhReA6gIMJFCqlwu57Z0zz3.oe30cLmijGffiR7GTRR1wSDzKbh zmX0VeV.4ikdv5xBNV.JzHn16O5A_4UDHHhRKKeYkqYJzDdl.qRU8Oj4dtj2 scrPnsfAPH57j1lW22RCCS3XjNMGbi6E7JVvt48bucBx5O8IOgDK3y5LdJPE MiwN8klsnELK55_HZywx9qz.9wuU8oPClWQs- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: Message-ID: <1343090311.78588.YahooMailNeo@web122406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:38:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Reply-To: Paul Richards Subject: Vox Lil Looper Received To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-2000846661-446601984-1343090311=:78588" Resent-Message-ID: <7XKZ7B.A.ZDE.I6eDQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 00:38:32 +0000 (UTC) ---2000846661-446601984-1343090311=:78588 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello:=0A=A0=0AI received my Lil Looper on Friday and had two opportunities= to try it out. It's a solid unit - looks 'xactly like it's big brother but= no expression pedal. Fairly heavy, too even without batteries in it - seem= s like it's solidly made. It came with a set of AA's and no power supply wh= ich appears to be becoming the norm for a lot of devices-particularly lower= end stuff.=0A=A0=0AAnyway, I was impressed by how little care I had to tak= e to get a good signal into the unit. I routed a Record Out from my Peavey = Tube Vypyr into the Lil Looper. The looper recorded flawlessly and getting = correct start-stop loop points is easy. The second day I routed the Record = Out to my Mackie mixer and used the send-return to the Lil Looper. The sign= al needless-to-say was a lot more robust but the looper handled it w/o any = issues and it sounded flawless coming from my home PA speakers. I like the = fact that I didn't have to mess around with experimentation getting looping= levels set properly. =0A=A0=0AI then routed my electronic drum kit into an= d, again, had no issues.=A0 Use of the second loop is a little confusing an= d I need to read the manual again to understand the workflow.=0A=A0=0AIn fa= ct, reading the manual is essential as there are a lot of "combo" button pr= esses, etc. to access certain features. =0A=A0=0AAnyway, for $159 USD, the = Vox Lil Looper is a good value, IMHO.=0A=A0=0ARegards, Paul ---2000846661-446601984-1343090311=:78588 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello:
 
I received my Lil Looper = on Friday and had two opportunities to try it out. It's a solid unit - look= s 'xactly like it's big brother but no expression pedal. Fairly heavy, too = even without batteries in it - seems like it's solidly made. It came with a= set of AA's and no power supply which appears to be becoming the norm for = a lot of devices-particularly lower end stuff.
 
Anyway, I was impressed by how little care I had t= o take to get a good signal into the unit. I routed a Record Out from my Pe= avey Tube Vypyr into the Lil Looper. The looper recorded flawlessly and get= ting correct start-stop loop points is easy. The second day I routed the Re= cord Out to my Mackie mixer and used the send-return to the Lil Looper. The signal needless-to-say was a lot more robust but the looper ha= ndled it w/o any issues and it sounded flawless coming from my home PA spea= kers. I like the fact that I didn't have to mess around with experimentatio= n getting looping levels set properly.
 = ;
I then routed my electronic drum kit into and, again, had= no issues.  Use of the second loop is a little confusing and I need t= o read the manual again to understand the workflow.
=  
In fact, reading the manual is essential as t= here are a lot of "combo" button presses, etc. to access certain features. =
 
Anyway, for $159 USD,= the Vox Lil Looper is a good value, IMHO.
&n= bsp;
Regards, Paul

 
<= /body> ---2000846661-446601984-1343090311=:78588-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 24 21:04:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63E9C183473; Tue, 24 Jul 2012 21:04:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 491 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 24 Jul 2012 21:04:25 UTC Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0964021524==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120724205604.19165.73103.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 16:56:04 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: The old Looper's Delight File Library is back, and in the place where it used to be! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 21:04:26 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0964021524== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello,=20everybody!=20Remember=20many=20years=20ago,=20that=20"File=20Libra= ry"=20link=20on=20the=20Looper's=20 Delight=20home=20page?=20It=20would=20bring=20you=20to=20a=20file=20index= =20that,=20if=20you=20were=20signed=20up=20for=20the=20mailing=20list,=20yo= u=20 could=20get=20a=20username=20and=20password=20for=20the=20index=20and=20con= tribute?=20And=20one=20day,=20equipment=20started=20acting=20funky,=20 and=20the=20File=20Library=20link=20issued=20a=20server=20error=20when=20cl= icked,=20and=20it=20was=20like=20that=20for=20a=20long=20time.=20Well,=20in= =20 May,=20Violet=20did=20some=20quick=20maintenance=20and=20brief=20modernizat= ion=20(not=20much)=20to=20 loopers-delight.com's=20home=20page=20and=20links.=20And,=20look;=20the=20F= ile=20Library=20works!=20Share=20 your=20files,=20please! http://www.loopers-delight.com/files Tyler=20Z --===============0964021524==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 24 21:08:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FE04183475; Tue, 24 Jul 2012 21:08:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=GkO8hfPz5bpc0K/u/SH+AiY65tJ2az/Tufwx372PZC8=; b=piOuefAEgR3WE/MlZakU8WDhno3Th0YSf7PYidrHknRkcN6pUGkrzRSzKVI5eGT8oD Yny4wkMjAIRX02WE4orZQw4Ei12fQohj/EnBOuvEW5ELyXUgDzqGzagxECO29WVeqfex XUaVbZESoiEuhY9uynewo+bdAKCzf8/6cMJ8iCeadjjS/6QuoUTTOl6+JoS4HCtCsT4P P4SWfKgOjgsWEheRFjRQt4Jyxmr5pNWfw7HS/VYudQsc6uNPDhmgwievRKQbxhkaxxZA FUGtvyNnZj7fqFaIdwxkmjGDdaYTSoYYjsFbCdjeHfxMQjy/NFPR7AatA8h1g9TiaxZr mnTA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 14:08:29 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: "Live" drum machine set tonight on the World of Wonder From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 21:08:30 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, Tonight's episode of my radio show, the World of Wonder, will have a 30 minute live drum machine/looping improvisation. The show is pre-recorded, which means the improvisation is too. Also there's about 90 minutes of other fine unusual music, including Tony Allen (Fela Kuti's drummer), Oval, Rapoon, digitally chopped up jazz, traditional Thai fiddle music, and Tigrigna music from Eritrea. It's on tonight at midnight Pacific Time, on: http://savekusf.org/listen-to-kusf-in-exile -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 24 21:57:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BACC183460; Tue, 24 Jul 2012 21:57:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=0yyD7nK1A80nt3ROWepHJ30XV5j8j6UsW/K+sUYxhto=; b=B5c1Ob3gT8Pc25tuKAxhLmcByvOHa+VPhGI7UTOEuU+R/QPWP/Dx7Wcza+iFuQdMDg 9XSAxYEWKiwita4K0YPwb2xlh9yNukg4BhTfEQ2ulOuxnpEz5Porb/8VX7I7aDKOFF25 0f3PVPwB0wrngO/hp423gxnIHUxAKSRH4QW2kLTSJWdXXXN+g7dIu8VjC9tQgK9eWQot QH7zNNP634aUOrdlB9HcjLoO+rpjkW6KZoc6alPnBQzvt7mY+IPsDIKT99nuSPw1wDO5 HxNWMFSQOqPvmRuOGSX0qJdMAjqBfs0uApNkZXRav2S9Efyd4+GXjC5nbtt6/IY6RYN/ PxAA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 23:57:52 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: "Live" drum machine set tonight on the World of Wonder From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <3jACvC.A.A6F.hpxDQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 21:57:53 +0000 (UTC) Cool, looking forward... Should be in my iPhone now I guess, since I subscribe to the podcast. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 11:08 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > Hi all, > > Tonight's episode of my radio show, the World of Wonder, will have a > 30 minute live drum machine/looping improvisation. The show is > pre-recorded, which means the improvisation is too. Also there's about > 90 minutes of other fine unusual music, including Tony Allen (Fela > Kuti's drummer), Oval, Rapoon, digitally chopped up jazz, traditional > Thai fiddle music, and Tigrigna music from Eritrea. > > It's on tonight at midnight Pacific Time, on: > http://savekusf.org/listen-to-kusf-in-exile > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 24 23:29:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75D22183474; Tue, 24 Jul 2012 23:29:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=nWn4VFMtEgpOoDdrOxrUu6t0Z5B6MdCD7gJT2Q0ePN4=; b=vE0ZyZYdDJ4kbbxJMK5nKuBZqg97ZZzgmyTOgkqxCpogSl6HQ6gwQ1N885olE7UgB3 CCRTgjk7ICo8iNZ1360fbOvuskbhfuM7ZM595y2tMOLsWy7GBkGXnnhAhehDa/fctD+a /K8PBa7tBYqSDO+h2AsF2HfBNF0wKG9Q+tYw7BHIBpXkmngcoykAITtC+Tr2+XxZKttg KvksWHaSY5a0b5pqsxmVhXTs6qxK1mlXz31SG+uVCmX2SPXGakdiYNgqZtJ5qUG/ZYwf 3W2RfBr9NPsc8KwNaTPJagHt5G9u+ncPsgVQ9xlHpMZXuTl7lDyLjAYqviPIcNSO5TS8 u2lg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 16:29:14 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: "Live" drum machine set tonight on the World of Wonder From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <4VnegB.A.WqG.K_yDQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 23:29:15 +0000 (UTC) In that case, it'd be in your iPhone tomorrow early afternoon, Swedish time. :) Matt On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Cool, looking forward... Should be in my iPhone now I guess, since I > subscribe to the podcast. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 11:08 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Tonight's episode of my radio show, the World of Wonder, will have a >> 30 minute live drum machine/looping improvisation. The show is >> pre-recorded, which means the improvisation is too. Also there's about >> 90 minutes of other fine unusual music, including Tony Allen (Fela >> Kuti's drummer), Oval, Rapoon, digitally chopped up jazz, traditional >> Thai fiddle music, and Tigrigna music from Eritrea. >> >> It's on tonight at midnight Pacific Time, on: >> http://savekusf.org/listen-to-kusf-in-exile >> >> -- >> Matt Davignon >> mattdavignon@gmail.com >> www.ribosomemusic.com >> Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com >> > -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 24 23:33:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47B02183473; Tue, 24 Jul 2012 23:33:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=SEXL/Hf3a9yKJ6D28jWYqKwU5slNliopS0anYMe/FNg=; b=O6cMa1lUftayVkhTUGHMju1tKSASqnOF3Pdt7p97jb4JcXwiv8BsZ0e0jP7jRf3J5i YS7ZcLCAeq5SIoGf06vVAop+IvevF5CQEsaob69p4QTD/4bbHBej+BCmjm4WR/1i7bg+ XCDvDzeXqGVvRXSXGYVGbaaL/BglSOAa67TseYsvUVT6usI60Ae7allewqD07nKa5cYR ZEUJY0vEONs7phncvbqOxwx7zuSI821nNctfituzoESEuq5f/q7Ol4bomjGMaZTSkIf4 VnXVLWDFprgFkdpDsKXiw3H5mXW45Tbj+AGnB0jJD8+umSneqFLKSVympy37cFYLuxqR KpKg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 16:33:50 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: "Live" drum machine set tonight on the World of Wonder From: Monzelle Dozier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043bdfbe694dca04c59bcbb3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 23:33:51 +0000 (UTC) --f46d043bdfbe694dca04c59bcbb3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Wunderful :D On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > In that case, it'd be in your iPhone tomorrow early afternoon, Swedish > time. :) > > Matt > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > Cool, looking forward... Should be in my iPhone now I guess, since I > > subscribe to the podcast. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.perboysen.com > > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 11:08 PM, Matt Davignon > wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> Tonight's episode of my radio show, the World of Wonder, will have a > >> 30 minute live drum machine/looping improvisation. The show is > >> pre-recorded, which means the improvisation is too. Also there's about > >> 90 minutes of other fine unusual music, including Tony Allen (Fela > >> Kuti's drummer), Oval, Rapoon, digitally chopped up jazz, traditional > >> Thai fiddle music, and Tigrigna music from Eritrea. > >> > >> It's on tonight at midnight Pacific Time, on: > >> http://savekusf.org/listen-to-kusf-in-exile > >> > >> -- > >> Matt Davignon > >> mattdavignon@gmail.com > >> www.ribosomemusic.com > >> Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > >> > > > > > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > > --f46d043bdfbe694dca04c59bcbb3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wunderful :D

On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 4:29= PM, Matt Davignon <mattdavignon@gmail.com> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> In that case, it'd be in your iPhone tomorrow early afternoon, Swedish = time. :)

Matt

On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Cool, looking forward... Should be in my iPhone now I guess, since I > subscribe to the podcast.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.c= om
> http://= www.youtube.com/perboysen
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 11:08 PM, Matt Davignon <mattdavignon@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Tonight's episode of my radio show, the World of Wonder, will = have a
>> 30 minute live drum machine/looping improvisation. The show is
>> pre-recorded, which means the improvisation is too. Also there'= ;s about
>> 90 minutes of other fine unusual music, including Tony Allen (Fela=
>> Kuti's drummer), Oval, Rapoon, digitally chopped up jazz, trad= itional
>> Thai fiddle music, and Tigrigna music from Eritrea.
>>
>> It's on tonight at midnight Pacific Time, on:
>> http://savekusf.org/listen-to-kusf-in-exile
>>
>> --
>> Matt Davignon
>> mattdavignon@gmail.com
>>
www.rib= osomemusic.com
>> Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
>>
>



--
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusi= c.com
Podcast! ht= tp://ribosomematt.podomatic.com


--f46d043bdfbe694dca04c59bcbb3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 25 04:13:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E25A183465; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 04:13:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=1GEISvambRGRzlYfKI2D2LlMsoTLTOupIoQKoDZwesk=; b=MgMyUVK5eAOk7jqaDwmV8v6SEFh/f29ODRWvx4kgUR3zWk5siVTh1HrxkLwxDK9UmW 3pvkbSCtus42YYsVFXJWDejJwXf1koke+4jfTe3bEKxSFeJMEkc3RIbuGi1C54Fwi39j ++Kd0gU5oFoymcLW+V+RghVLZJdOfA7Zso0Y+BYtuWKz2OyJxJIJAk64Dof2y5bjsW0B MIpyaOv5mF3chRkYKrdnn/x1kOkDKqzyUwxUTM+c41Smdaltv3bikSBqL9VPrsL4p9cX zlEtGgGumYcSe+QiZKKu6vlFI4CVinMdD9luMpM2/SG1PsgWp6CJLqN8R/SMF//f3Vp4 HJog== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 23:13:43 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: short delays w/ vari-speed options? From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4e43ab8164ca1104c59fb41b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 04:13:46 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4e43ab8164ca1104c59fb41b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 a few yrs ago. someone was searching for long delays that had a vari-speed option in them (like what a lexicon pcm42 or eh 16ddl or digitech pds8000) can do...and we had a thread exploring that.... in my search over the yrs, i decided to switch gears...can anyone recommend a short delay pedal that has a good vari-speed option? i know in the past i've used: ibanez de7 (2.6 sec) guyatone md3 (2.6 sec) and maybe i will have to get another one of them... just curious if anyone else knew of a delay that had this option....i know there are a number of analog delays out there that seem to go to 600ms... i was hoping to get to 1 sec of delay....i remember the old yamaha delay i had from the late 80s had 1.2 sec, and i used that to good effect for a long time.... just wondering if anyone had any recommendations... thanks.... s--- ps-i may have to get out my digitech dl8, i don't really remember it doing varispeed real well, but maybe i need to try one of the shorter modes.... --e0cb4e43ab8164ca1104c59fb41b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
a few yrs ago. someone was searching for long delays that had a vari-s= peed option in them (like what a lexicon pcm42 or eh 16ddl or digitech pds8= 000)
can do...and we had a thread exploring that....
=A0
in my search over the yrs, i decided to switch gears...can an= yone recommend a short delay pedal that has a good vari-speed option?
=
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i know in the past i've used:
ibanez de7 (= 2.6 sec)
guyatone md3 (2.6 sec)
=A0
and maybe i will have t= o get another one of them...
just curious if anyone else knew of = a delay that had this option....i know there are a number of analog delays = out there that seem to go to 600ms...
i was hoping to get to 1 sec of delay....i remember the old yamaha del= ay i had from the late 80s had 1.2 sec, and i used that to good effect for = a long time....
just wondering if anyone had any recommendations.= ..
thanks....
s---
ps-i may have to get out my digite= ch dl8, i don't really remember it doing varispeed real well, but maybe= i need to try one of the shorter modes....
--e0cb4e43ab8164ca1104c59fb41b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 25 04:23:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D39E4183464; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 04:23:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=2vwOd2s0EyNqHd4ZvQDhcAf0hEsslKuoe1Rp6n8vhkI=; b=yyCcAYVOBTgKBstHY/p6igMl46vKswyHPQWpOZpSGoEsAaYaemJZlEqhmaXkwkGz6G c+HOUCDhOxOT1kIVE5xF1tBcThLyUlahct9BtkrzVyHkIwRrrfVkLOwFzr+HYa85KMjT DXM76+5+CthXWzwvDAn0lwXWjGyHeNwrey255FIZo5rI8q/xFrIyQnCDhf2r1o+dNbWQ 3z/7OKrZcvWA/P+QySokPBN965vcbcvLeyfOMRGqZqXAQ90juqXrj60T077v4c3mqxms JI6BszQNT9m4Q/LHrlb6mXry+W64Jct+gVTbKBr96qTlUBF1rwRf+1389IwVgVpP148a HkDw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 21:23:15 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Downtempo Music From: "kay'lon rushing" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4efa78aa814bb704c59fd6f3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 04:23:17 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4efa78aa814bb704c59fd6f3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Does anybody know of any arists that do Downtempo style live looping? Im interested in this genre and wonder if its livelooping-worthy. --e0cb4efa78aa814bb704c59fd6f3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

Does anybody know of any arists that do Downtempo style live looping? Im interested in this genre and wonder if its livelooping-worthy.

--e0cb4efa78aa814bb704c59fd6f3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 25 04:25:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C42DF183479; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 04:25:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=rEQPS+T8No4ZQzMMbJAFrN4XWbs3LydWFmczHStFX9k=; b=Ef6wTxv5yAflCISsP+50eulL4c+k/BgVLmeyk0CT6tTGehY0drXN8MbAUTyFJ8KNuK VDwBVAOBz0eUlfL8t2ApxGLQXY1yVymz3I1gWRp+F+OVlWz7DCihFrT+lw1yYt3oRYDA gRe2Q8MvUvD94UWyoJ8vjAEgQzDS4ZdTwfRt4mV/Eez4Ay3hGJ6wORs0G1ZgZEF/rN8N Ozu3SL8xxfw59clZ3jpPvdLzQqRkwaL7dVI/E28mFkI7vG3srFrgTCIgH+MY9Is2KfpX n/6N49/HyXlr/L0lUj2Pg45OawBCvGyjFvTRd5iB5L13GkPIQpOUz06WTjPG7/RPfl7i 6EFg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 21:25:10 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Between the Folds From: Tim Thompson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30223dcf554dd304c59fddc1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmhJ1uPcaFrjUaZULbCZXYpFQCjs+CeErozpA5NmaXybgOmjDZ5Tzem5g3obj5DzukaReGO Resent-Message-ID: <1OdDmB.A.8hB.nU3DQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 04:25:11 +0000 (UTC) --20cf30223dcf554dd304c59fddc1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Speaking of documentaries, anyone else watched Between the Folds? I > don't say this often or lightly, but this movie blew my mind. Its > ostensibly about paper folding and origami but.... A fabulous documentary - I heartily echo the recommendation. ...Tim... --20cf30223dcf554dd304c59fddc1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Speaking of docum= entaries, anyone else watched Between the Folds? =A0I
don't say this often or lightly, but this movie blew my mind. =A0Its ostensibly about paper folding and origami but....
=A0
A fabulous documentary - I heartily echo the recommendation.

=A0 =A0 =A0...Tim...=A0
--20cf30223dcf554dd304c59fddc1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 25 04:25:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 749CA18347F; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 04:25:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0964021524==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120725042511.32273.73103.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 00:25:11 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: Downtempo Music Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 04:25:14 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0964021524== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What=20does=20that=20mean?=20Does=20that=20mean=20any=20artist=20that=20slo= ws=20things=20down=20at=20a=20livelooping=20show? Tyler=20Z On=20Tue,=2024=20Jul=202012=2021:23:15=20-0700,=20kay'lon=20rushing=20wrote: >Does=20anybody=20know=20of=20any=20arists=20that=20do=20Downtempo=20style= =20live=20looping?=20Im=20 >interested=20in=20this=20genre=20and=20wonder=20if=20its=20livelooping-wor= thy. --===============0964021524==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 25 05:19:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5D6018347A; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 05:19:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=vJUyXGC5YZ2R23lOgoPT6OQQX5DsR/fQRjvPYz90+dk=; b=Ed2ezsiZt/6565ZQ0X8YNm+unRXsVhsJIFLrC2nHio7YrIeBuuqim27rMp4l2xSm9x P2NhDrKO6iKmp4x4g2ndhdyphB9h94rKpIeN4ffc9ABMyHR8++DALMKTRogKKHESEyiu tuQekBQKyFXC3A02IwsmA4zb+p/9c+RpiY+dmM/rWb9lMRHVOksJijIrEyQ24+lAK19Z DDUxP/yC4BIP4Le5dV8LfaSbyR9Q26W110iEQ57eZoJmiFxTPiEbD3l9I9ynlqT93/UA 7QYEURBexKscMacP0/7MSwnPq+J+CGWNcC8zzq5x65h5qYCh0FxR4a9ydffSOg9dhCYp BQIg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 01:19:42 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: short delays w/ vari-speed options? From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0401698359b9b004c5a0a040 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 05:19:43 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0401698359b9b004c5a0a040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey Scott, check out these videos for the Digitech Timebender. In particular the first video at about 3:40. http://timebenderdelay.com/?p=565#more-565 I love this thing and still haven't run out of fun things to do with it. Jeff On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 12:13 AM, Scott Hansen wrote: > a few yrs ago. someone was searching for long delays that had a vari-speed > option in them (like what a lexicon pcm42 or eh 16ddl or digitech pds8000) > can do...and we had a thread exploring that.... > > > --f46d0401698359b9b004c5a0a040 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Scott, check out these videos for the Digitech Timebender. In particula= r the first video at about 3:40. http://timebenderdelay.com/?p=3D565#more-565

I= love this thing and still haven't run out of fun things to do with it.=

Jeff

On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 12:13 AM= , Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com> wrote:
a few yrs ago. someone was searching fo= r long delays that had a vari-speed option in them (like what a lexicon pcm= 42 or eh 16ddl or digitech pds8000)
can do...and we had a thread exploring that....
=A0

--f46d0401698359b9b004c5a0a040-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 25 06:43:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39341183473; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 06:43:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=mBJsZQ42xH4hyZDNQsjAp7pFIB7SWGhTk3gWuy2TNeQ=; b=v4yMKAbNp8KG0g3eqiZYhbaQbLloRQbU8FH4I1k1ehbEcymV2d42KVW0n/7eVbxjhB TpKcyneBXnSr2/7KtSykaGfoviFV72LmeN0OIKx9x759isYDkYuK1x/AUk3SE96yXO+2 GE5IY7w/CwPW+l/lQSwhX+BOKOP+APeflkKVjuQEVewuiMzW+yhzZcYLM9cO3F+tSfi2 Y2sVR6lIqcOobIk/l/Bwl4sCszPYHiVEruRpVhf/bta1JhJ78UYmsiHRV0LGI/SQyM55 KhVYAGKyft44br5QhZbQwxqd4dewaaXqu0eW66cFcdKYh1CGGdafyMjxrSCCKSrXBWMe oipQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <003b01cd68ef$8046abc0$80d40340$@de> References: <20120723161605.721141834C8@arsenic.violacea.com> <003b01cd68ef$8046abc0$80d40340$@de> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:43:27 +0900 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT - OTT - Audacity now with Paulstretch! From: michael noble To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015173fe4acdc74af04c5a1cb6f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 06:43:28 +0000 (UTC) --0015173fe4acdc74af04c5a1cb6f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > *> **Don't think anyone has ref'd this yet but an interview with the > creator of 'PaulStretch', > http://www.microscopics.co.uk/blog/2010/paulstretch-an-interview-with-paul-nasca/ > *** > > **** > > thanks Jim! interesting. I was surprised that 9-beet stretch wasn't done > with Paulstretch but that it rather was an inspiration for Paulstretch. > What was 9-beet stretch done with then? Hmm ..**** > > -Michael > SND and later CLM apparently: http://www.xn--lyf-yla.com/tech.htm --0015173fe4acdc74af04c5a1cb6f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Michael Peters = <mp= @mpeters.de> wrote:

> = Don't think anyone has ref'd this yet but an interview with the creator of 'PaulStretch', = http://www.microscopics.co.uk/blog/2010/paulstretch-an-interview-with-paul-= nasca/

=A0

thanks Jim!=A0 interesting. I was surprised that 9-beet str= etch wasn't done with Paulstretch but that it rather was a= n inspiration for Paulstretch. What was 9-beet stretch done wi= th then? Hmm ..

-Michael


SND and later CLM apparently:= =A0http://www.xn--lyf-yla.c= om/tech.htm


--0015173fe4acdc74af04c5a1cb6f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 25 08:54:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E16C7183466; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:54:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_e0bbb975-31bf-4178-87d0-a705524d8a83_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.53.10] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: short delays w/ vari-speed options? Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:54:46 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2012 08:54:45.0801 (UTC) FILETIME=[23B4B190:01CD6A43] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:54:47 +0000 (UTC) --_e0bbb975-31bf-4178-87d0-a705524d8a83_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What bout the boss DD7 or DD3? Peace g Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk Date: Tue=2C 24 Jul 2012 23:13:43 -0500 Subject: short delays w/ vari-speed options? From: evanpeewee@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com a few yrs ago. someone was searching for long delays that had a vari-speed = option in them (like what a lexicon pcm42 or eh 16ddl or digitech pds8000)c= an do...and we had a thread exploring that.... in my search over the yrs=2C i decided to switch gears...can anyone recomm= end a short delay pedal that has a good vari-speed option? i know in the pa= st i've used:ibanez de7 (2.6 sec) guyatone md3 (2.6 sec) and maybe i will have to get another one of them...j= ust curious if anyone else knew of a delay that had this option....i know t= here are a number of analog delays out there that seem to go to 600ms... i was hoping to get to 1 sec of delay....i remember the old yamaha delay i = had from the late 80s had 1.2 sec=2C and i used that to good effect for a l= ong time....just wondering if anyone had any recommendations... thanks....s---ps-i may have to get out my digitech dl8=2C i don't really re= member it doing varispeed real well=2C but maybe i need to try one of the s= horter modes.... = --_e0bbb975-31bf-4178-87d0-a705524d8a83_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What bout the boss DD7 or DD3?

Peace

g

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk


Date: Tue=2C 24 Jul = 2012 23:13:43 -0500
Subject: short delays w/ vari-speed options?
From= : evanpeewee@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

a few yrs ago. someone was searching for long delays that had a vari-spe= ed option in them (like what a lexicon pcm42 or eh 16ddl or digitech pds800= 0)
can do...and we had a thread exploring that....
 =3B
in my search over the yrs=2C i decided to switch gears..= .can anyone recommend a short delay pedal that has a good vari-speed option= ?
 =3B
i know in the past i've used:
iban= ez de7 (2.6 sec)
guyatone md3 (2.6 sec)
 =3B
and maybe i will h= ave to get another one of them...
just curious if anyone else kne= w of a delay that had this option....i know there are a number of analog de= lays out there that seem to go to 600ms...
i was hoping to get to 1 sec of delay....i remember the old yamaha del= ay i had from the late 80s had 1.2 sec=2C and i used that to good effect fo= r a long time....
just wondering if anyone had any recommendation= s...
thanks....
s---
ps-i may have to get out my digite= ch dl8=2C i don't really remember it doing varispeed real well=2C but maybe= i need to try one of the shorter modes....
= --_e0bbb975-31bf-4178-87d0-a705524d8a83_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 25 09:37:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1CC0183474; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 09:37:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=7Qrx5C1o71M+HgqALdHcl3JKUs1Ilb5n9viYpTAoiK0=; b=e3TihL8Iy+q6LY3OmIUDcWgFnNPJpz++8Pp/2TJGsU2jx8ppsj3IlZNtUq2E+lKg+x /sUB25JvcJkYBUF1qD/2h17oU6jxczwiQk4gQGf5VZFZfqhV4HNUpxb+2tEngLRCYx5n l1uP/fKPaIHWZOcJOliqBD+i3PwBucVATdX+aE/ffgZYsjXCBpuNKnfBbCTHIFkpGWUU nVj/XPVWhJecZkdK3MFpypTWqSQlvr2BFRsNY+d9QopD/LfsynQUzPeFGW5XtkKdJ+1S 0wtHg/DamRf3kQSGJRreVncvF37KQcEpfEewxDGUrcv+DvMvKueJ0tUICR3gh3y1PKhM ycOw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:37:03 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Downtempo Music From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <2jegDC.A.d6D.A57DQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 09:37:04 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 6:23 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > Does anybody know of any arists that do Downtempo style live looping? Im > interested in this genre and wonder if its livelooping-worthy. I never loop live outside the technical tempo range 60 to 120 BPM. Does that count as "Downtempo Music"? I wrote "technical tempo" because the musical tempo can be faster if utilizing double/half tempo, like for example in dub step. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 25 09:42:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B1A4183473; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 09:42:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=R+PtN68Cd/JyOtp2VRA1WkE2PTAjaPHO9saOpMPbZMM=; b=hm5OdaTIT5/5JK0J8INyfiayZGGdYqh+a0TkOgYtayq44hG0thkaJDIghmzltGN0Ri 15QwOH5teixr1x07W/ECLnIO8R1CdbXQcOOMzxIZ1y9eCt3Riuii5hzWycfp3Yj5IsFX xj/sWpry3TopTEkiZvQvk5C3V7J6ga4sTqb5ngw7sAGuyDtT3f6rFCuriFQe0TsRcsib pINVs9sE1gwnkK7qtTSPbfPmrQlzMH36zL7FcqT4+wtZbRvaUmsHJD6ncvbatc6Z+k7L 459gkFYmY0XXJcLOtxeZyAHCJP6eI+88pSZSdGJ5nhh+b1kNeuKm01/8R3CmfH3SuZc3 s1Jw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:42:18 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: "Live" drum machine set tonight on the World of Wonder From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 09:42:19 +0000 (UTC) > On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Matt Davignon > wrote: >> >> In that case, it'd be in your iPhone tomorrow early afternoon, Swedish >> time. :) Ha, ha... see you there then! :-)) A wonderful summer day here in Stockholm (forecast predicting rain n horror in a few days...) and early afternoon local time will be perfect for seeking out a nice downtown coffee bar to enjoy the show. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 25 10:41:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 364A2183474; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 10:41:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_cb7c375f-71a2-4b5e-b905-dee162403b71_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.53.10] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Downtempo Music Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 10:41:19 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2012 10:41:19.0327 (UTC) FILETIME=[068B56F0:01CD6A52] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 10:41:21 +0000 (UTC) --_cb7c375f-71a2-4b5e-b905-dee162403b71_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm a 90bpm kind of guy=2C (unless I'm doing jigs and reels=2C which I've b= een getting back into lately). I consider myself distinctly downtempo somet= imes no-tempo. If you type it in to internet radio you'll get a feel for it= .. Peace g Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > Date: Wed=2C 25 Jul 2012 11:37:03 +0200 > Subject: Re: Downtempo Music > From: perboysen@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > On Wed=2C Jul 25=2C 2012 at 6:23 AM=2C kay'lon rushing = wrote: > > Does anybody know of any arists that do Downtempo style live looping? I= m > > interested in this genre and wonder if its livelooping-worthy. >=20 >=20 > I never loop live outside the technical tempo range 60 to 120 BPM. > Does that count as "Downtempo Music"? >=20 > I wrote "technical tempo" because the musical tempo can be faster if > utilizing double/half tempo=2C like for example in dub step. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 = --_cb7c375f-71a2-4b5e-b905-dee162403b71_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm a 90bpm kind of guy=2C (unless I'm doing jigs and reels=2C which I've b= een getting back into lately). =3B
I consider myself distinctly dow= ntempo sometimes no-tempo. If you type it in to internet radio you'll get a= feel for it..

Peace

g

G= areth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

>=3B Date: Wed=2C 25 Jul 2012 11:37:03 +0200
>=3B Sub= ject: Re: Downtempo Music
>=3B From: perboysen@gmail.com
>=3B To:= Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B
>=3B On Wed=2C Jul 25= =2C 2012 at 6:23 AM=2C kay'lon rushing <=3Bk3zz21@gmail.com>=3B wrote:<= br>>=3B >=3B Does anybody know of any arists that do Downtempo style li= ve looping? Im
>=3B >=3B interested in this genre and wonder if its = livelooping-worthy.
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B I never loop live outsi= de the technical tempo range 60 to 120 BPM.
>=3B Does that count as "D= owntempo Music"?
>=3B
>=3B I wrote "technical tempo" because the= musical tempo can be faster if
>=3B utilizing double/half tempo=2C li= ke for example in dub step.
>=3B
>=3B Greetings from Sweden
&= gt=3B
>=3B Per Boysen
>=3B www.perboysen.com
>=3B http://ww= w.youtube.com/perboysen
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<= /body> = --_cb7c375f-71a2-4b5e-b905-dee162403b71_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 25 11:43:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF8EF183466; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:43:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=QmYKzwVL95ZKEr+21P44wOqNEy3r9fpd5eewuiazYyo=; b=a17xADK9yeKgVkum8gnZ6vaF3OqxHHEw3OMrORwBLJU3bJtqk+c7LwJSlcLtyctGtt myM7NPKxS3ugyWHN7srJYpCT8Fi258snIAMEskKGgP6Ys9Wj61XTHZhqcJ1RHHqHpSHW 0iFqYvtyYXoSVBVZOkFD+/zxTtU56L9zrCh7MMnzxuwtOlEKE1R3qbN9wIDz4Rf+CoID cSoI98wa/CDJxZbCRy/w+rXf+1zy0zfRDM+IjaasyyhDxeIr1McmJZjf1qTvSbp2gYE9 TmJfzUV14emc6dDF3s54rgXgz4pFQ2Q7pDNjC4LizErQy38l8TmY0RbYV94flmjj3s8S 8X/g== Subject: Re: Boomerang 3 midi sync References: From: Torben Scharling Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-470F2C40-4861-4251-956B-62008B193166 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <971B2B71-DAF3-47B5-BAC8-01172C9AAD6A@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:46:27 +0200 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:43:45 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-470F2C40-4861-4251-956B-62008B193166 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm pretty disappointed, that there is no news/status updates on the "expect= ed" midi sync if the rang lll. I have not yet emptied my empty bank account f= or the side car, and unless there is hope for this feature in the fall, I'm a= fraid I've chosen the wrong pedal(s).=20 So, I'm gonna look into what other, better alternatives are out there, and p= robably go the laptop (mac) route with a midi controller pedal, or s multi e= ffect board with built in looping.=20 Thing is, everything will be so much simpler for me, if the loops are automa= tically quantisized or atleast synced to a specific bpm, as I work a lot wit= h delays as well as looping at the same time, and those need to ne synced up= ...., A tiny bit frustrated. I still think its a great pedal though. Best Regards torbenscharling.com On 20/07/2012, at 17.21, Gareth Whittock wrote: > I didn't mention these but you might want to contact him if you like.. >=20 > G >=20 > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk >=20 > From: simpliflying@gmail.com > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Boomerang 3 midi sync > Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:04:04 +0000 >=20 > And for the mute function and the pause function? > They would be so cool! >=20 > From: buddhamachine@live.co.uk > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Boomerang 3 midi sync > Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:16:15 +0000 >=20 > Just had an email from Mike Nelson of Boomerang. Apparently MIDI sync is w= orking but they are adding enhancements before releasing it :-) > No plans for instant stack mode though :-( >=20 > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co..uk >=20 --Apple-Mail-470F2C40-4861-4251-956B-62008B193166 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
I'm pretty disappointed, t= hat there is no news/status updates on the "expected" midi sync if the rang l= ll. I have not yet emptied my empty bank account for the side car, and unles= s there is hope for this feature in the fall, I'm afraid I've chosen the wro= ng pedal(s). 

So, I'm gonna look into what oth= er, better alternatives are out there, and probably go the laptop (mac) rout= e with a midi controller pedal, or s multi effect board with built in loopin= g. 

Thing is, everything will be so much simpl= er for me, if the loops are automatically quantisized or atleast synced to a= specific bpm, as I work a lot with delays as well as looping at the same ti= me, and those need to ne synced up....,

A tiny bit f= rustrated. I still think its a great pedal though.

Best Regard= s
torbenscharling.com

On 20/07/2012, at 17.21, Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk> wrote:

I didn't mention these but you might want to contact him if you like..
<= br>
G

Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk


From: simpliflying@gmail.com
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.= com
Subject: RE: Boomerang 3 midi sync
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:0= 4:04 +0000

And for the mute function and the pause function?
They would be so cool!=


From: buddhamachine@live.co= .uk
To: looper= s-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Boomerang 3 midi sync
Date:= Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:16:15 +0000

Just had an email from Mike Nelson of Boomerang. Apparently MIDI sync is wor= king but they are adding enhancements before releasing it :-)
No plans f= or instant stack mode though :-(

Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co..uk

=
= --Apple-Mail-470F2C40-4861-4251-956B-62008B193166-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 25 14:39:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5525C183474; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:39:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_ffaf97c0-c712-49bb-9d30-68989612f7e7_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.53.10] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: Hardware frustration - was Boomerang 3 midi sync Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:39:03 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <971B2B71-DAF3-47B5-BAC8-01172C9AAD6A@gmail.com> References: ,<971B2B71-DAF3-47B5-BAC8-01172C9AAD6A@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2012 14:39:03.0642 (UTC) FILETIME=[3CBD13A0:01CD6A73] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:39:05 +0000 (UTC) --_ffaf97c0-c712-49bb-9d30-68989612f7e7_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been looking around for an "instant stack" looping pedal but=2C like y= ou=2C I'm getting a bit frustrated by the lack of flexibility with hardware= . I went back to Audiomulch running Augustusloop this morning using a small= Zoom=2C pedal (the snazzily titled "G2.1u") as a pre-amp and audio interfa= ce and a Korg Nanokontrol to capture loops=2C (with my bare feet) - Bliss!!= ! It also has the added bonus of being completely independent of mains powe= r which=2C in combination with my Roland street cube amp=2C allows me to go= anywhere and play/make live recordings.. Peace=2C G Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk Subject: Re: Boomerang 3 midi sync From: torbenscharling@gmail.com Date: Wed=2C 25 Jul 2012 13:46:27 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com I'm pretty disappointed=2C that there is no news/status updates on the "exp= ected" midi sync if the rang lll. I have not yet emptied my empty bank acco= unt for the side car=2C and unless there is hope for this feature in the fa= ll=2C I'm afraid I've chosen the wrong pedal(s).=20 So=2C I'm gonna look into what other=2C better alternatives are out there= =2C and probably go the laptop (mac) route with a midi controller pedal=2C = or s multi effect board with built in looping.=20 Thing is=2C everything will be so much simpler for me=2C if the loops are a= utomatically quantisized or atleast synced to a specific bpm=2C as I work a= lot with delays as well as looping at the same time=2C and those need to n= e synced up....=2C A tiny bit frustrated. I still think its a great pedal though. Best Regardstorbenscharling.com On 20/07/2012=2C at 17.21=2C Gareth Whittock wro= te: I didn't mention these but you might want to contact him if you like.. G Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk From: simpliflying@gmail.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Boomerang 3 midi sync Date: Fri=2C 20 Jul 2012 15:04:04 +0000 And for the mute function and the pause function?They would be so cool! From: buddhamachine@live.co.uk To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boomerang 3 midi sync Date: Thu=2C 19 Jul 2012 11:16:15 +0000 Just had an email from Mike Nelson of Boomerang. Apparently MIDI sync is wo= rking but they are adding enhancements before releasing it :-)No plans for = instant stack mode though :-( Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co..uk =20 = --_ffaf97c0-c712-49bb-9d30-68989612f7e7_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've been looking around for an "instant stack" looping pedal but=2C like y= ou=2C I'm getting a bit frustrated by the lack of flexibility with hardware= . I went back to Audiomulch running Augustusloop this morning using a small= Zoom=2C pedal =3B(the snazzily titled "G2.1u") =3Bas a pre-amp and= audio interface and a Korg Nanokontrol to capture loops=2C (with my bare f= eet) - Bliss!!! =3B
It also has the added bonus of being completely= independent of mains power which=2C in combination with my Roland street c= ube amp=2C allows me to go anywhere and play/make live recordings..

Peace=2C

G

Gareth Wh= ittock=2C sound artist:
garethwhittock.co.uk


Subject: Re: Boomerang 3 midi sync
From: = torbenscharling@gmail.com
Date: Wed=2C 25 Jul 2012 13:46:27 +0200
To:= Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

I'm pretty disappointed=2C= that there is no news/status updates on the "expected" midi sync if the ra= ng lll. I have not yet emptied my empty bank account for the side car=2C an= d unless there is hope for this feature in the fall=2C I'm afraid I've chos= en the wrong pedal(s). =3B

So=2C I'm gonna loo= k into what other=2C better alternatives are out there=2C and probably go t= he laptop (mac) route with a midi controller pedal=2C or s multi effect boa= rd with built in looping. =3B

Thing is=2C ever= ything will be so much simpler for me=2C if the loops are automatically qua= ntisized or atleast synced to a specific bpm=2C as I work a lot with delays= as well as looping at the same time=2C and those need to ne synced up....= =2C

A tiny bit frustrated. I still think its a gre= at pedal though.

Best Regards

O= n 20/07/2012=2C at 17.21=2C Gareth Whittock <=3Bbuddhamachine@live.co.uk>=3B wrote:

<= div>
I didn't mention these but you might want to contact him if you like..
=
G

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk


From:= simpliflying@gmail.com
To= : loopers-delight@lo= opers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Boomerang 3 midi sync
Date: Fri=2C= 20 Jul 2012 15:04:04 +0000

And for the mute function and the pause function?
They would be so cool= !


From: buddhamachine@live= .co.uk
To: lo= opers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Boomerang 3 midi sync
= Date: Thu=2C 19 Jul 2012 11:16:15 +0000

Just had an email from Mike Nelson of Boomerang. Apparently MIDI sync is wo= rking but they are adding enhancements before releasing it :-)
No plans= for instant stack mode though :-(

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: = garethwhittock.co= ..uk

= --_ffaf97c0-c712-49bb-9d30-68989612f7e7_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 25 15:20:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EAD1A183463; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:20:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=L99LHM/jI4OvfWpbxcm5bZdw5XGbaF00zHMj/LS7lgc=; b=vSzKPzpf1UPLVjkNR0bTyx009uPmp/ZnVlxzBm1wAMUaVFjL35bOg0hDYBmj1i6pNq KoHbH3scICPRX7nLD9Fd/bNjx1eb3JdsCswNAbvfZyOON31TyO47HaC8Tayw+/WvAL9w w2wVEW1VpIdHA6Qbc7KeWCR3sG4KUWxEtqg7xN57hdjmUAHrMhc0U7lqOb6z2f4TSxkq jxxC/2FxZXQm92dbuvfZiqgnm6wvscs0TFzeQJ7Ha5mrpY1YQUZDKo8K8O1ZEtumBu+O ssnHDpX9Oq1EIYhI0uqUYiOXEGH63OGoVO/n2GLQCJyBd0iImtxHh1efrYuCHzhaeRXK oeDQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: leesloanpianist@gmail.com Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 16:20:31 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: _x6A4VVpHATWJhqexbkUqVn_0ec Message-ID: Subject: Looperlative LP1 for sale? From: MasterMuso To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e89ea08e4bc04c5a9056b Resent-Message-ID: <-RMpiB.A.RNH.A7AEQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:20:32 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e89ea08e4bc04c5a9056b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Greetings All, Anyone know of a Looperlative LP1 for sale? I haven't used the LP1 yet, but from what I can gather, it seems to be very full-featured and well thought out. Are there many out there with experience of the LP1? Thanks. MM --90e6ba6e89ea08e4bc04c5a9056b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Greetings All,

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--90e6ba6e89ea08e4bc04c5a9056b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 25 19:01:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28A89183462; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 19:01:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=YYnPsJgCVcZtb8m+SSszqbRu9XbRKVbkPVAYK5EO+2Y=; b=mKS5RkKWBMQOKP3ddemf+vDCcaBmug+uoR+WA6P6SEGxXnTydxFMt0153tsdfYQxhG 1Bt4dM6zM7jY9RMSGch/KaJeE7yfaSwAJWnVURLmvSWf9r/3OIyavji7HY7Zgvuaf1Y/ FDWmoLXgGw9NhmFq3RpXTMlHuweQunEIy1qEnoXdpfaTY53QQbS07ubpOGdREl30E3Rj ShCQSaLQiZgJjTPvx/PYt1FManqCrOGOTX+m6wK66DMS/O61fz7YkIa07Uo7IeyReUEX +TaiCrElrloJBSkMF9sGtL1mBeDCNJG7OCkQ4fsAVISnMkXd+33UHKLXCmt6tJzoOVKk cQIw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <971B2B71-DAF3-47B5-BAC8-01172C9AAD6A@gmail.com> References: <971B2B71-DAF3-47B5-BAC8-01172C9AAD6A@gmail.com> From: Torben Scharling Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 21:00:30 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Boomerang 3 midi sync To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <26J2KB.A.aLB.3JEEQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 19:01:11 +0000 (UTC) Sorry I didn't even see Gareth's first message, which, if recent news (they do sound similar to the ones we got back in spring), is a nice update to the status. Though I'm still not sure how long those enhancements are gonna take, before they release it, and how long I'll be able to wait for it. Would be super cool to get a beta, but I don't wanna unnecessarily bug them with emails about midi sync, as it seems some of you guys keep up nicely on this topic for us :) On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Torben Scharling wrote: > > I'm pretty disappointed, that there is no news/status updates on the > "expected" midi sync if the rang lll. I have not yet emptied my empty bank > account for the side car, and unless there is hope for this feature in the > fall, I'm afraid I've chosen the wrong pedal(s). > > So, I'm gonna look into what other, better alternatives are out there, and > probably go the laptop (mac) route with a midi controller pedal, or s multi > effect board with built in looping. > > Thing is, everything will be so much simpler for me, if the loops are > automatically quantisized or atleast synced to a specific bpm, as I work a > lot with delays as well as looping at the same time, and those need to ne > synced up...., > > A tiny bit frustrated. I still think its a great pedal though. > > Best Regards > torbenscharling.com > > On 20/07/2012, at 17.21, Gareth Whittock wrote: > > I didn't mention these but you might want to contact him if you like.. > > G > > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > > ________________________________ > From: simpliflying@gmail.com > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Boomerang 3 midi sync > Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:04:04 +0000 > > And for the mute function and the pause function? > They would be so cool! > > ________________________________ > From: buddhamachine@live.co.uk > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Boomerang 3 midi sync > Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:16:15 +0000 > > Just had an email from Mike Nelson of Boomerang. Apparently MIDI sync is > working but they are adding enhancements before releasing it :-) > No plans for instant stack mode though :-( > > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co..uk > -- De Bedste Hilsner / Best Regards Torben Scharling - Mobile: +45 61 66 60 09 - e-mail: ts@torbenscharling.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 25 19:15:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27FFC183465; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 19:15:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=BYpRRFV0wyCJIjUSPsX3EshO4jWzSuaOGnaESsdXk9Q=; b=SqhKwZrg9uwjDUwAdHUeSTnoZjmSY2NIaw3IANrB0pPclpJNcT0bsL2gKObncy/Qj7 g0Y/28VMh6WyprBeW31LkQVeDGfvIC3xikaSdRcr7NsqKs+IJ0BbNCMYEv/ary051Jhy aMZoCo57IBbl9C81aGpPd6Q7501PXAQcxRc/zy+zdoAwp+51uOYM5CDeHXN+ZaQdlJqv KcmDfESUwSk/EuSMx4viVF75aKy7V3KOHc76+3HOUZBrJtO2+T7Srr4EEDeQrsxsU2fW g36fnAgjVwrN2eofWnLqH+X8S9vmAqGM3xkbg1ZzcOaMu95K43uFQCw1voc1DXO4F7Ls k6/A== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <971B2B71-DAF3-47B5-BAC8-01172C9AAD6A@gmail.com> From: Torben Scharling Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 21:14:24 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Hardware frustration - was Boomerang 3 midi sync To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <8yMBk.A.WXB.5WEEQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 19:15:05 +0000 (UTC) Cool, that Nanokontrol looks super portable :) See that's my next issue, how to cheaply make a battery DIY pack or something, that will power the rang and side car. So far I haven't found out which solution to go with, as I would love to get a fully battery powered rig thrown together. But I don't wanna stress my macbook pro and it's battery, so luckily my keyboard takes batteries, and I think I'll be going with the Traynor TVM50 battery powered amp: http://www.musiciansbuy.com/mb/itemm.asp?IC=TVM50 And then for battery powering the pedals there's things like the Eneloop Pedal Juice, but I think I'll run out of ohm or juice with those two + a Boss LS-2 line selector, they're also a bit expensive. So I'm gonna look into cheaper alternatives, perhaps some 9v battery DIY'ing, or even bigger than that. If anyone is using the Rang or similar power hungry pedals, with a portable battery setup, please chime in :) On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > I've been looking around for an "instant stack" looping pedal but, like you, > I'm getting a bit frustrated by the lack of flexibility with hardware. I > went back to Audiomulch running Augustusloop this morning using a small > Zoom, pedal (the snazzily titled "G2.1u") as a pre-amp and audio interface > and a Korg Nanokontrol to capture loops, (with my bare feet) - Bliss!!! > It also has the added bonus of being completely independent of mains power > which, in combination with my Roland street cube amp, allows me to go > anywhere and play/make live recordings.. > > Peace, > > G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 25 23:52:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13F4018345B; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 23:52:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=k7PMo+T5YY89QiHiVbRx2AJUadQoXgTUp1RSTDIZIVg=; b=X4qGnr1G/OdNJ0YWztwSwpnlisB3MZuTMgvg+l95RjbXzUuMunQt2DdDQSUfjK363a y5Fk8TCk7cdjKka/x7cW0kDiZ7LdcM7DyeW6y4BkPrWLZoNSiogX3Cr9zYyH4EksQrzG fzj9JuSbCyHkUm53G3eTS4aYTIaFWbJ8WZh4v8YMDlQpSb/yPEUlDJzj/MUtboM4AMcI SfJxMpUbfBPPtwItcJl7y8nt/OP+kY+w3HW4VrGy9tjrwccRe8xLNIK7qDw05mBFKWzw I3O6DhAXWp22L4KGy1o8Qr9Yu55WonO+ZqEjheSw877HX0ui1pUdfNFCqjgwMpmRZW5r wpmA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 16:52:44 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: New live looping video finally! From: "kay'lon rushing" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04428466dec19a04c5b02ca0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 23:52:45 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04428466dec19a04c5b02ca0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It's been quite a few weeks since I've touched my keyboard. But finally got around to it. This isnt 100% improvised because od me wanting to maintain the same musical idea throughout the 10-15 tries it took to record one i liked. Let me know what you guys think! Thanks :) Link below https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__aRoZ_6JkE&feature=youtube_gdata_player --f46d04428466dec19a04c5b02ca0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It's been quite a few weeks since I've touched my keyboard. But = finally got around to it. This isnt 100% improvised because od me wanting t= o maintain the same musical idea throughout the 10-15 tries it took to reco= rd one i liked. Let me know what you guys think! Thanks :) Link below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D__aRoZ_6JkE&feat= ure=3Dyoutube_gdata_player

--f46d04428466dec19a04c5b02ca0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 26 07:41:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7722183462; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 07:41:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=AKy4P/NSD1ZP4kgxqttVY+bbKNvhltfqo5BFuxtTCNujWYe82U6B8Z1mq6Ilb0nw; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <27062331.1343288480663.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 02:41:20 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Grant Reply-To: Grant To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hardware frustration - was Boomerang 3 midi sync Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 4627597e215714c3ca853a8129e90869f402879cecb40bd5ca1e3986070cb94778794f0dd885ad601e3821db987f1b31350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.45 Resent-Message-ID: <8B3U0C.A.bNG.rSPEQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 07:41:31 +0000 (UTC) I took a look at the internal supply voltage of the Rang III and found it was about 12VDC (RMS, didn't check the ripple) when using the supplied adapter. So I think you would be safe with a 12VDC battery like those found in UPS units. These are available in many capacities and form factors and the prices are reasonable. They can be recharged but you'll need to find a proper charger for the Ah rating you use. Also you need to be sure the battery is not connected to audio ground or any other pedals since an isolated supply is important. Anyway, I'm pretty sure this would work and be reasonably cost effective. G -----Original Message----- >So I'm gonna look into cheaper alternatives, perhaps some 9v battery >DIY'ing, or even bigger than that. If anyone is using the Rang or >similar power hungry pedals, with a portable battery setup, please >chime in :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 26 08:16:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE9E8183463; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 08:16:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1262 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 08:16:36 UTC From: Phil Clevenger Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Switching Echoloop VST Params Using Ableton Dummy Clips Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 00:55:29 -0700 Message-Id: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Authenticated-User: 59682 phil@philclevenger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 08:16:36 +0000 (UTC) ...anyone doing this? I am using Echoloop VST, and I want my dummy clips to change the = quantize 8ths setting: one clip to set it to 2, one for 4, one for 8, = one for 16, etc. I can set it up to a point where it's working, but due to the "relative" = nature of the envelope controls, it gets out of kilter again fairly = quick.=20 Similar probs with menu-bound params: i.e., InsertModemenu is a list of = absolute things in absolute positions, but the clip envelope will only = make relative changes... and there is no 'null' position on the menu for = when I want no change... gah ! Any experts? Phil :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 26 09:25:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A66E3183465; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 09:25:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=/rAfCsXWRWw/j1DcpgJd/ljPUAqyA6YZ50XCq4v+Ghg=; b=wqN6RIaw5E7xwMUeM8z00lt7kh+4OXqqqr2r1dhRpXdvoPiM1UPEmZHR0p277L+eOw cPt/BUReRU+xno2ykvmifdtOFgfxE4qSJOpXBBFDZ+YxUa5YkRXAi0PPDRjl7Htq+tl6 KIzGfUQ/ftGv/4+2l94Vuh1KwpIxT3TGEvq8WYFP7U6D6vIHboKq6rENSftxfMYbzd85 A7FRxSOzWYxA5ufnwUFOyagxND7V0jK15/McH2Hztv3MXMGWlfILyrNK1y79dV5M28eg GzY0kUHs/kgQbP99aIEbvGQKh71rGkLfT6k3I8bng2fCLVyB03fBU+Noa7C5OG77Sz/i hrcA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 11:25:31 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Switching Echoloop VST Params Using Ableton Dummy Clips From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 09:25:32 +0000 (UTC) Hi Phil, There's an alternative way of using controller clips in Live that I've had more success with than using the Clip Envelop function. That is to simply load a MIDI clip with the MIDI event needed for the looper plugin to perform a certain task. Then set up a MIDI signal route to pipe that clip's content into the plugin; I've found the Mac system's IAC Bus good for that (system built-in MIDI path - for Widows there's a hack called MIDI-OX that sets up a similar thing). Finally, if the looper function you are targeting works with the Looper's quantization you must make sure that the MIDI Control Clips in Live are not quantized in Live; if they are the MIDI event might arrive late to the Looper plugin. Looping musicians typically develop the habit of kicking a pedal a few milliseconds early for such quantized commands. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > ...anyone doing this? > > I am using Echoloop VST, and I want my dummy clips to change the quantize 8ths setting: one clip to set it to 2, one for 4, one for 8, one for 16, etc. > > I can set it up to a point where it's working, but due to the "relative" nature of the envelope controls, it gets out of kilter again fairly quick. > > Similar probs with menu-bound params: i.e., InsertModemenu is a list of absolute things in absolute positions, but the clip envelope will only make relative changes... and there is no 'null' position on the menu for when I want no change... gah ! > > Any experts? > > Phil :) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 26 09:41:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52EE118345D; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 09:41:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_f20ac658-4236-4dfd-8d86-0a1d61bd0dd3_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.53.10] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: Echoloop VST Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 09:41:10 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2012 09:41:10.0632 (UTC) FILETIME=[CA01EE80:01CD6B12] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 09:41:12 +0000 (UTC) --_f20ac658-4236-4dfd-8d86-0a1d61bd0dd3_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I managed to track a copy of this down this morning but it crashes Audiomul= ch - anyone? Peace=2C G Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > Date: Thu=2C 26 Jul 2012 11:25:31 +0200 > Subject: Re: Switching Echoloop VST Params Using Ableton Dummy Clips > From: perboysen@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > Hi Phil=2C >=20 > There's an alternative way of using controller clips in Live that I've > had more success with than using the Clip Envelop function. That is to > simply load a MIDI clip with the MIDI event needed for the looper > plugin to perform a certain task. Then set up a MIDI signal route to > pipe that clip's content into the plugin=3B I've found the Mac system's > IAC Bus good for that (system built-in MIDI path - for Widows there's > a hack called MIDI-OX that sets up a similar thing). Finally=2C if the > looper function you are targeting works with the Looper's quantization > you must make sure that the MIDI Control Clips in Live are not > quantized in Live=3B if they are the MIDI event might arrive late to the > Looper plugin. Looping musicians typically develop the habit of > kicking a pedal a few milliseconds early for such quantized commands. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 > On Thu=2C Jul 26=2C 2012 at 9:55 AM=2C Phil Clevenger > wrote: > > ...anyone doing this? > > > > I am using Echoloop VST=2C and I want my dummy clips to change the quan= tize 8ths setting: one clip to set it to 2=2C one for 4=2C one for 8=2C one= for 16=2C etc. > > > > I can set it up to a point where it's working=2C but due to the "relati= ve" nature of the envelope controls=2C it gets out of kilter again fairly q= uick. > > > > Similar probs with menu-bound params: i.e.=2C InsertModemenu is a list = of absolute things in absolute positions=2C but the clip envelope will only= make relative changes... and there is no 'null' position on the menu for w= hen I want no change... gah ! > > > > Any experts? > > > > Phil :) > > > > > > > > >=20 = --_f20ac658-4236-4dfd-8d86-0a1d61bd0dd3_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I managed to track a copy of this down this morning but it crashes Audiomul= ch - anyone?

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= Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

>=3B Date: Thu=2C 26 Jul 2012 11:25:31 +0200
>=3B Su= bject: Re: Switching Echoloop VST Params Using Ableton Dummy Clips
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>=3B Hi Phil=2C
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= --_f20ac658-4236-4dfd-8d86-0a1d61bd0dd3_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 26 12:06:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 317B718345D; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 12:06:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=amy/On2FsKHd84s+3eY5iTQTu13bqeHUq/zpvsZYem4=; b=U3XoyCNIEGhqeEyhnJ3/zq8Tc1lbhV4WAqOrYgQ/SNqne0dvN2EWlzP5zq6Xz+tMHz apUQExAsQZQnEtl4ftkQjrH4rV9q4uieyvPD9+AvuOxGL/yM0+QU8042465PpSUruCcf nGpvAIms6r9S6XAr35e5+wo7UpmuUEWl7tILE/mMN3ZObVT8dePTJvIWqvDovXdpTLpV iVBoydSF/3ltiYSIPdVhZTtKHQp+JdOnrFJDPko/Rty/1jKwAIs7Ea4rcLuLQ8RDYeDB sBl/217GEurQa70zvEIZa0kTyleJGRjLvid42UeI951e1jXJWnZeUxR2guMlsDU/MzTr LjqQ== From: philip Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5A1E8848-C799-4D81-88E8-96496FD1A727" Subject: Re: New live looping video finally! Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 21:06:04 +0900 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 12:06:49 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_5A1E8848-C799-4D81-88E8-96496FD1A727 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Very nice! On Jul 26, 2012, at 8:52 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > It's been quite a few weeks since I've touched my keyboard. But = finally got around to it. This isnt 100% improvised because od me = wanting to maintain the same musical idea throughout the 10-15 tries it = took to record one i liked. Let me know what you guys think! Thanks :) = Link below >=20 > = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D__aRoZ_6JkE&feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_play= er --Apple-Mail=_5A1E8848-C799-4D81-88E8-96496FD1A727 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Very nice!



On Jul 26, 2012, at 8:52 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote:

It's been quite a few weeks since I've touched my keyboard. But finally got around to it. This isnt 100% improvised because od me wanting to maintain the same musical idea throughout the 10-15 tries it took to record one i liked. Let me know what you guys think! Thanks :) Link below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__aRoZ_6JkE&feature=youtube_gdata_player


--Apple-Mail=_5A1E8848-C799-4D81-88E8-96496FD1A727-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 26 14:34:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B30C183460; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 14:34:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 338 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 14:34:44 UTC From: "BC" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: New live looping video finally! Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 10:29:05 -0400 Message-ID: <003001cd6b3b$03073960$0915ac20$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01CD6B19.7BF80A60" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIA8XT5MNpWa14op3M1uNaRMQjNlpbUkZbg Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120723-2, 07/23/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 14:34:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CD6B19.7BF80A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Very nice. Held my interest, which is a great achievement! Which M-Audio keyboard controller is that? I have an Oxygen which I hate because the key springs feel so spongy. Do you like the feel of the keys? Keep up the great work! Brian From: kay'lon rushing [mailto:k3zz21@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 7:53 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New live looping video finally! It's been quite a few weeks since I've touched my keyboard. But finally got around to it. This isnt 100% improvised because od me wanting to maintain the same musical idea throughout the 10-15 tries it took to record one i liked. Let me know what you guys think! Thanks :) Link below https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__aRoZ_6JkE &feature=youtube_gdata_player ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CD6B19.7BF80A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Very nice. Held my interest, which is a great = achievement!

 

Which M-Audio keyboard controller is that? I have an Oxygen which I = hate because the key springs feel so spongy. Do you like the feel of the = keys?

 

Keep up the great work!

 

Brian

 

 

From:= = kay'lon rushing [mailto:k3zz21@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, = July 25, 2012 7:53 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: New live looping = video finally!

 

It's been quite a few weeks = since I've touched my keyboard. But finally got around to it. This isnt = 100% improvised because od me wanting to maintain the same musical idea = throughout the 10-15 tries it took to record one i liked. Let me know = what you guys think! Thanks :) Link below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D__aRoZ_6JkE&featur= e=3Dyoutube_gdata_player

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--==Multipart_Boundary_xc75j85x-- ------=_Part_17027_22239245.1343318371286-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 26 19:54:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07E90183463; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 19:54:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=++XnKG9cgY4vBQJO6f+jvrgA3thGXitjvnOe3sj7O4c=; b=YQ/2YG9Y9Sp1ObyH74lafE72TiMYR9sdYxoawot27OpvMH5BPScTu2LzrGIS2TLbo8 OO28eBLatMYvPWH7AZRL5gpU+9N4F4p16HnrP5tG+XL73VtEGjojz8pgLSE09FCdOKgF TcsX22mKyzbE3pA1zq4eJmuw3t7txTGXfOnHThcB4POrN3wby51auV1VNqwcxbFAhuBJ 4tt+ifJ2/MSck9N2I1234AOtHZk+fYBlckUd8FzEnKvf/9/ndschf70p/9H1oVK0Z5Eu TySwXy5qyEjIA5ATxhYw+WJH8h5RKzCkrX+UB//do68IK+MAsJ9ASUF0T6pFJH2NPOiw UoUQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 12:54:42 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Switching Echoloop VST Params Using Ableton Dummy Clips From: Phil Clevenger To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043c09627352ae04c5c0f796 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 19:54:43 +0000 (UTC) --f46d043c09627352ae04c5c0f796 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Per. Looking at that right now. One question: what is the role of the IAC bus? Ableton should let me direct MIDI directly to the plugin, yes? Phil :) On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 2:25 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi Phil, > > There's an alternative way of using controller clips in Live that I've > had more success with than using the Clip Envelop function. That is to > simply load a MIDI clip with the MIDI event needed for the looper > plugin to perform a certain task. Then set up a MIDI signal route to > pipe that clip's content into the plugin; I've found the Mac system's > IAC Bus good for that (system built-in MIDI path - for Widows there's > a hack called MIDI-OX that sets up a similar thing). Finally, if the > looper function you are targeting works with the Looper's quantization > you must make sure that the MIDI Control Clips in Live are not > quantized in Live; if they are the MIDI event might arrive late to the > Looper plugin. Looping musicians typically develop the habit of > kicking a pedal a few milliseconds early for such quantized commands. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Phil Clevenger > wrote: > > ...anyone doing this? > > > > I am using Echoloop VST, and I want my dummy clips to change the > quantize 8ths setting: one clip to set it to 2, one for 4, one for 8, one > for 16, etc. > > > > I can set it up to a point where it's working, but due to the "relative" > nature of the envelope controls, it gets out of kilter again fairly quick. > > > > Similar probs with menu-bound params: i.e., InsertModemenu is a list of > absolute things in absolute positions, but the clip envelope will only make > relative changes... and there is no 'null' position on the menu for when I > want no change... gah ! > > > > Any experts? > > > > Phil :) > > > > > > > > > > --f46d043c09627352ae04c5c0f796 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Per. Looking at that right now.=A0

One question: = what is the role of the IAC bus? Ableton should let me direct MIDI directly= to the plugin, yes?

Phil :)

On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 2:25 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
Hi Phil,

There's an alternative way of using controller clips in Live that I'= ;ve
had more success with than using the Clip Envelop function. That is to
simply load a MIDI clip with the MIDI event needed for the looper
plugin to perform a certain task. Then set up a MIDI signal route to
pipe that clip's content into the plugin; I've found the Mac system= 's
IAC Bus good for that (system built-in MIDI path - for Widows there's a hack called MIDI-OX that sets up a similar thing). Finally, if the
looper function you are targeting works with the Looper's quantization<= br> you must make sure that the MIDI Control Clips in Live are not
quantized in Live; if they are the MIDI event might arrive late to the
Looper plugin. Looping musicians typically develop the habit of
kicking a pedal a few milliseconds early for such quantized commands.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen

--f46d043c09627352ae04c5c0f796-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 26 20:08:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35BA818345D; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 20:08:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=U3Lp3/QdanzkTiiMrKyX6TzvVuUK/VLeNUEig+uVnhE=; b=vPuW1oloHxSvCZ8DXKJCrHeWakFGhnUDOkSsVItJpDk4jh4iZZgNPhoRkg0n0mcqOr NJqH7yChNt8uikvV4xB5e42nFLt4CPn6zyM1/YLJ3J3jKK6dpgXqtH9Gy5J+jxCfZhwl s0MC8s4ccdKO7Spo6b5dMQZMRZ5Wusl7h9WiXKMIoxQnL0oxiajPZe9eklx5MpWKmI+2 o4pXvhZtqI2PpOhAvt3v+Xb/TVd8gBYedyg9OwgDfCjwteBEZjd4K0pu9CKPH3dFRAZB R2KUgE2o8zWxOZ6lV1dcYkhzPlkmXHX4P1zGMc6zv/BF/uzGJobVU8aOzvZfYRYmLbfl nwTg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 15:08:35 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: short delays w/ vari-speed options? From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043bd75810e29b04c5c12997 Resent-Message-ID: <_2uT7C.A.8ZE.EPaEQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 20:08:36 +0000 (UTC) --f46d043bd75810e29b04c5c12997 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 you know what--i had put away my digitech DL8....so i got it back out and put it in my setup.... i never really used the analog or the tape options much.... usuallyi used the DL8 for the 1 sec or 2 sec digital delay, record my little noises to it, warp/mangle it, if i need to add stuff, i just put the feedback to less than 100%, add and continue.... but the analog and the tape are kind of fun to mangle stuff up w/ granted they are not long...i think they may be a sec or less...but they sort of allow you to do the "Tommy Bolin Tape Echoplex noises" and i then just record them to my behringer tweakalizer...which i got back out.... in messing w/ the tape and analog delays in the DL8...i do sort of wish someone would put out a decent or better "delay-based looper"... although i would say the pigtonix echolution is probably the best out there currently....granted it's a bit pricey, but it does decent 12 sec of loops... i sort of wish EH would take the 30 sec of looping the SMMH has and just make it a delay based looper, sort of like a hybrid 16ddl-updated.... guess i'm just wishing again.... i will say my new setup of zoom g3-trombetta minibone-digitech dl8-eh smmh-behringer tweakalizer-lexicon mx200....has been working fine...gives me lots of options for making my noise fun.... s--- --f46d043bd75810e29b04c5c12997 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
you know what--i had put away my digitech DL8....so i got it back out = and put it in my setup....
i never really used the analog or the = tape options=A0much.... usuallyi used the DL8 for=A0 the 1 sec or 2 sec dig= ital delay, record my little noises to it, warp/mangle it, if i need to
add stuff, i just put the feedback to less than 100%, add and continue= ....
=A0
but the analog and the tape are kind of fun to= mangle stuff up w/
granted they are not long...i think they may= be a sec or less...but they sort of allow you to do the "Tommy Bolin = Tape Echoplex noises"
and i then just record them to my behringer tweakalizer...which i got = back out....
=A0
in messing w/ the tape and analog dela= ys in the DL8...i do sort of wish someone would put out a decent or better= =A0"delay-based looper"...
although i would say the pigtonix echolution is probably the best out = there currently....granted it's a bit pricey, but it does decent 12 sec= =A0of loops...
=A0
i sort of wish EH would take the 30= sec of looping the SMMH has and just make it a delay based looper, sort of= like a hybrid 16ddl-updated....
guess i'm just wishing again....
=A0
i will sa= y my new setup of zoom g3-trombetta minibone-digitech dl8-eh smmh-behringer= tweakalizer-lexicon mx200....has been working fine...gives me lots of opti= ons for making my
noise fun....
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--f46d043bd75810e29b04c5c12997-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 26 20:45:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41D12183465; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 20:45:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=BoRzZzsrs1K4roygAEG3mKIJy+K2fu4E0dlpm79zNeE=; b=cC+CMe2RGV8sNayRZ81p0aW9X5UlZsbV/VauZa7j8gipSCU18o31WiLZKGQtNRG35a 9SLiqblIX2LYmTUndi/4XiEEe/NC9oXinFpw/C/nWLTBwVDcdIkyFr/ZazOXIVIty1EC 9ViSWuPYOROevBamI6Mecisa80K2/SiqNVJtD5bZEx1Jx2/ugUYMQNTs6E1nLTEEiwJC zelWqAD5uqPFDIzXyc6Y7bV707HIDUMeq4ay0WhjWzR182gXitj68q8fbux9oSdxKxQH E7uiz88rfi2K57sZ0+Q1Nn+uhJCzPxH2H8q9qaWbxy+W+ARe2RBdeIFnP+oNf3YTXV5e v3mw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <003001cd6b3b$03073960$0915ac20$@comcast.net> References: <003001cd6b3b$03073960$0915ac20$@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 13:45:16 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: RE: New live looping video finally! From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043bdf5e4fd5b804c5c1acd0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 20:45:18 +0000 (UTC) --f46d043bdf5e4fd5b804c5c1acd0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks guys! This is the Axiom 61. Basically the Oxygen's big brother because it has almost the exact same layout. I actually upgraded to this from the oxygen for that reason. Since Im primarily a keyboardist I needed some better feeling keys. The axiom claims to be semi-weighted keys. They do feel better than the oxygen but Im not sure i'd classify it as semi wighted because they still feel quite springy. And to me the velocity sensitivity sucks but I manage to deal with it since I got this thing with the stand for only $250 when it was in the market for like $400. Again thanks for the feedback On Jul 26, 2012 7:35 AM, "BC" wrote: > Very nice. Held my interest, which is a great achievement!**** > > ** ** > > Which M-Audio keyboard controller is that? I have an Oxygen which I hate > because the key springs feel so spongy. Do you like the feel of the keys?* > *** > > ** ** > > Keep up the great work!**** > > ** ** > > Brian**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* kay'lon rushing [mailto:k3zz21@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 25, 2012 7:53 PM > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject:* New live looping video finally!**** > > ** ** > > It's been quite a few weeks since I've touched my keyboard. But finally > got around to it. This isnt 100% improvised because od me wanting to > maintain the same musical idea throughout the 10-15 tries it took to record > one i liked. Let me know what you guys think! Thanks :) Link below**** > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__aRoZ_6JkE&feature=youtube_gdata_player** > ** > --f46d043bdf5e4fd5b804c5c1acd0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks guys! This is the Axiom 61. Basically the Oxygen's big brothe= r because it has almost the exact same layout. I actually upgraded to this = from the oxygen for that reason.=A0 Since Im primarily a keyboardist I need= ed some better feeling keys. The axiom claims to be semi-weighted keys. The= y do feel better than the oxygen but Im not sure i'd classify it as sem= i wighted because they still feel quite springy. And to me the velocity sen= sitivity sucks but I manage to deal with it since I got this thing with the= stand for only $250 when it was in the market for like $400. Again thanks = for the feedback

On Jul 26, 2012 7:35 AM, "BC" <compguy2@comcast.net> wrote:

Very nice. Held my interest, which is a grea= t achievement!

=A0<= /p>

Which M-Audio keyboard= controller is that? I have an Oxygen which I hate because the key springs = feel so spongy. Do you like the feel of the keys?

=A0<= /p>

Keep up the great work= !

=A0<= /p>

Brian

=A0<= /p>

=A0

From: kay'= lon rushing [mailto:k= 3zz21@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 7:53 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@l= oopers-delight.com
Subject: New live looping video finally!

=A0

It's been quite a few we= eks since I've touched my keyboard. But finally got around to it. This = isnt 100% improvised because od me wanting to maintain the same musical ide= a throughout the 10-15 tries it took to record one i liked. Let me know wha= t you guys think! Thanks :) Link below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D__= aRoZ_6JkE&feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_player

--f46d043bdf5e4fd5b804c5c1acd0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 26 20:50:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91952183463; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 20:50:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=QudmC6hdB+RXdkIz5399TJN0PmBFVeGMlSP0teLEJAK14DbE8XcXspWg3/rEUCQm; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <18501047.1343335846962.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 13:50:46 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: short delays w/ vari-speed options? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48304069f0b245f273700118a85ab44b94547562a158a8cca8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.35 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 20:50:47 +0000 (UTC) kudos Scott for the mention of late great guitar guy Tommy Bolin who has an anthology of music coming out soon. he had A sound!
also-sad-when i bought the EH 16 sec delay reissue-thinking it really would do what the original did! what a disappointment-all that time >240< sec. of warpability-wow! too bad it was only a commercial ploy calling it a >16 second ddl<.
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Hansen
Sent: Jul 26, 2012 1:08 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: short delays w/ vari-speed options?

you know what--i had put away my digitech DL8....so i got it back out and put it in my setup....
i never really used the analog or the tape options much.... usuallyi used the DL8 for  the 1 sec or 2 sec digital delay, record my little noises to it, warp/mangle it, if i need to
add stuff, i just put the feedback to less than 100%, add and continue....
 
but the analog and the tape are kind of fun to mangle stuff up w/
granted they are not long...i think they may be a sec or less...but they sort of allow you to do the "Tommy Bolin Tape Echoplex noises"
and i then just record them to my behringer tweakalizer...which i got back out....
 
in messing w/ the tape and analog delays in the DL8...i do sort of wish someone would put out a decent or better "delay-based looper"...
although i would say the pigtonix echolution is probably the best out there currently....granted it's a bit pricey, but it does decent 12 sec  of loops...
 
i sort of wish EH would take the 30 sec of looping the SMMH has and just make it a delay based looper, sort of like a hybrid 16ddl-updated....
guess i'm just wishing again....
 
i will say my new setup of zoom g3-trombetta minibone-digitech dl8-eh smmh-behringer tweakalizer-lexicon mx200....has been working fine...gives me lots of options for making my
noise fun....
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 26 21:16:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7487F183463; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 21:16:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 337818.61523.bm@omp1018.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1343337372; bh=Z3DPZUS4XSqFcoX8nfr0ebIJBGcR76stdwUiYdTJLQg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gQVMjM8sqr0eulTSjX6U1zWwsyk+Bvdmzil3Fw3Jm0Bv96Zbz6xxu9r6zEiIlMqe9Qtvz8jSnH88z+M033pKkHTB8/CFgJmnZlHMJjD83Vvht8fLUH4CAjaj1Pp7NLLOnPvwIDGl4xRsonFoxmsWyctT+wgjYKmeDAj9o+KMX0E= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TS/tqmR1yy28y6kmpEJZ4MJStxe0CPGVp3OKijwkYFFRTbtaHcVZm18O0IjcLhVj72k9CaMtYtSZx/e1TQ2uH2CQXtKcFYydMSfzhmqPUW0sRjjlVE0ZUCreal7Nsq0OAcztTMvMfGiyYoTCF93NB95zu2XMtT7VGU9gGLgevVE=; X-YMail-OSG: 8itLCm8VM1lWdDyF5sNIbBpLaRu7FfvygDhGiY70qok4Kh_ GEC2T0pBX.aVhO9kUMAjpoyLXKXGv1nMSA87axY4feg7ck2KgfGpcdDfMO1L jbi.Xyl4.mKlWxiwuSDg1UBxCXZmb_acnHT_fVnp9jRP28B.EuKpMoGPrHnR amQMhK_i0IzC18Uaf_GQ4xYw0uoGwaga2JS0r37rYl215h4711zgMIE7TTLg 0f9hPG_x4z8watfyWIrY7F1hrQNCSNsGawBKn9DXI.ZRsll.OSX7SWYEe1uc 0vLYkn3vhKfHChL2YMRNX_atvqgCkQxiCdESY599IndAhuQ65CCVJ1Lmm8nZ c3K5QWvt7OQh8cRhxV4toOTLzgMX0WjoKqGRyKe9kX_eJPjAuzDEQWjkAKKe hkpLEz3_ZsLRStM.x.QroCA5.Y6AAP0yJeNt6OhHuTXActWl2iwqXMC.WO33 AsWUxzROMz.5.rn0ll.vDtW_KQGeV5PE6O3nSS9tNUyIw9Mtf X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1343337372.16860.YahooMailNeo@web120806.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 14:16:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Dennis Montgomery Reply-To: Dennis Montgomery Subject: Gibson Echoplex loopers for sale To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1338226463-484908256-1343337372=:16860" Resent-Message-ID: <9lHpIB.A.YJF.dObEQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 21:16:13 +0000 (UTC) ---1338226463-484908256-1343337372=:16860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, =0A=0Aback in 2007 I was running a stereo looping system with 2 Gib= son Echoplex rackmounts.=A0 Since then, I went with a Looperlative LP1.=A0 = I kept the Echoplex's, but now it's time to move on...so...I have two Gibso= n Echoplex's on consignment sale at Guitar Showcase in San Jose, CA.=A0 The= price is $449 each and you'll be purchasing them from a store so they will= add sales tax.=A0 They are not being sold as a set, but both are currently= available if you want to run a stereo setup like I did.=A0 Each has a big = manual, one of which has an addendum explaining how to run them in stereo.= =A0 Neither has the Gibson footswitch, so you'll want to have some kind of = midi keyboard controller or pedalboard to get at the full set of functions = (I used an inexpensive Behringer FCB1010 with them and it worked great.)=A0= They're both in perfect working condition.=0A=0A=0AIf you're in the area, = you can check them out at the Guitar Showcase consignment shop at 3090 S Ba= scom Ave, San Jose.=A0 If you're not in the area but want to purchase one (= or both if available), contact the Guitar Showcase Store Mgr Dan Aronie at = 408-377-5864.=A0 Guitar Showcase does do long distance sales and shipping, = call Dan and get the firsthand info. =0A=0A=0AThanks,=0ADennis=0A=0A*******= *******************=0ADennis Montgomery=0Adennis.3owl.com=0Amij.3owl.com=0A ---1338226463-484908256-1343337372=:16860 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,
back in 2007 I was running a stereo looping syste= m with 2 Gibson Echoplex rackmounts.  Since then, I went with a Looper= lative LP1.  I kept the Echoplex's, but now it's time to move on...so.= ..I have two Gibson Echoplex's on consignment sale at Guitar Showcase in Sa= n Jose, CA.  The price is $449 each and you'll be purchasing them from= a store so they will add sales tax.  They are not being sold as a set= , but both are currently available if you want to run a stereo setup like I= did.  Each has a big manual, one of which has an addendum explaining = how to run them in stereo.  Neither has the Gibson footswitch, so you'= ll want to have some kind of midi keyboard controller or pedalboard to get = at the full set of functions (I used an inexpensive Behringer FCB1010 with them and it worked great.)  They're both in perfect working cond= ition.

If you're in = the area, you can check them out at the Guitar Showcase consignment shop at= 3090 S Bascom Ave, San Jose.  If you're not in the area but want to p= urchase one (or both if available), contact the Guitar Showcase Store Mgr D= an Aronie at 408-377-5864.  Guitar Showcase does do long distance sale= s and shipping, call Dan and get the firsthand info.
=
Thanks,
Dennis
*******************= *******
Dennis Montgomery
dennis.3owl.com
mij.3owl.com
---1338226463-484908256-1343337372=:16860-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 26 21:27:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE8DD183462; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 21:27:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Kkt715ENOsuTgtcMuYZatwxD/uiqYkP7Nsv6gtqJu8o=; b=fTAJQODJCO53uq7t8+sj/882unVBrgJ2dd3dtmWLO4mSz5WcfDVSFICSH1Mav20FYZ XJCg/f/U3K37ozRM9JH32rkW5tpguQq5Kx8WTsBRqteRdzaLN1C/YpIoGto41i3n/y6h nd4RKnVgd7wfnl6DC8ErRdkeZCRAGq8D70RBS8wN4yPSYX7QecpxaJbU03WhO9GMoHL5 y8bdxYOb5YkglCY7VnkgdfvCMyqkTCOKbLeCo5eJk5W0XRtn4xEAI8/JWf9XrV445frV rEXRUQS7oNj24zmx8jJaM5KBusacmW6YMcxIO3XUeFCJFNJ/Ve5jfaeAAsm3XmxrV9vi es0Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 23:27:39 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Switching Echoloop VST Params Using Ableton Dummy Clips From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 21:27:41 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 9:54 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > One question: what is the role of the IAC bus? Ableton should let me direct > MIDI directly to the plugin, yes? On a Mac computer the IAC Bus is part of Core MIDI, ie the built-in MIDI support. A "virtual MIDI patchbay", if you so like, inside the Mac OS X. If enabled in OS X the IAC Busses show up among all other available MIDI ports inside Live's preferences. Note that you have to activate it also in Live for the functionality you want to use it for. To enable the IAC Bus on the computer you need to launch "Applications / Utilities / Audio MIDI Setup" and look for the right box to tic. Good luck Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 26 21:43:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 754B9183463; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 21:43:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=naTPsIZE9Cl/nhZwZg0zQh7izObkysBtaiisZpUHGUU=; b=Z7aQNcwB5MJyOTQE2lBbCAMLgqyFDIWSRRer4BicQK92AaZu28xpvkJDPeaAYZ66Xk 6obFCmYRU807pjJcqtNwJ2wmEGmr61dZq9PYoCeAlYxmRm6OiBBj/cfcMglQifqFOrci Ni492AeSEM0asI+yAsisY36ALMP6RWH2i9ZMhv1Vo5RYcbD6iF9su1NyVsavVZB9aisc F2TosaFBtbieYPLZiMowV+YOjDDrLmS2TgDHINvNvCwcur3GZ2kbxM1aGLHFOfVhfYsZ 26bbC/HocR1iMsPkCDKmtvKZlxfXuwLRodxS9KuM1eHIQHdHIuh5sWrHHm67WScXZ/68 4/6w== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 14:43:39 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Switching Echoloop VST Params Using Ableton Dummy Clips From: Phil Clevenger To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54b49d61429eb04c5c27df1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 21:43:41 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec54b49d61429eb04c5c27df1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Many thanks Per. Between your comments here, your legacy stuff on LD, and this fine article: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb09/articles/livetech_0209.htm#Top , I've made a lot of progress. Have my IAC 'patch bay' up and working. Mapped Korg nanoPad2 pad to a MIDI clip in the MIDI track, the pad is triggering the clip. MIDI track is monitoring IN in Auto mode. The clip is sending a number of known echoloop/edp DirectMidi notes designated in the piano roll. MIDI track out is set to IAC bus 1, ch 1. Loop VST is in adjoining Audio track. What I seem to be missing somehow are these two things: 1) How is the Midi note conveyed to the plugin in teh adjacent Audio track? Because the plugin is not hearing it :) 2) Is there something I need to do withe the "Midi Ctrl' Envelopes menu for the MIDI clip in question? So much silliness :) I am thinking of trying that Kapture plug in, but it will only capture snapshots, not discrete changes, so I'd really prefer to get this working :D Phil :) On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 9:54 PM, Phil Clevenger > wrote: > > One question: what is the role of the IAC bus? Ableton should let me > direct > > MIDI directly to the plugin, yes? > > > On a Mac computer the IAC Bus is part of Core MIDI, ie the built-in > MIDI support. A "virtual MIDI patchbay", if you so like, inside the > Mac OS X. If enabled in OS X the IAC Busses show up among all other > available MIDI ports inside Live's preferences. Note that you have to > activate it also in Live for the functionality you want to use it for. > To enable the IAC Bus on the computer you need to launch "Applications > / Utilities / Audio MIDI Setup" and look for the right box to tic. > > Good luck > > Per > > --bcaec54b49d61429eb04c5c27df1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Many thanks Per. Between your comments here, your legacy stuff on LD, and t= his fine article:=A0http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb09/articles/li= vetech_0209.htm#Top , I've made a lot of progress.

Have my IAC 'patch bay' up and working.
Mapped Korg nanoPad2 pad to a MIDI clip in the MIDI track, the= pad is triggering the clip. MIDI track is monitoring IN in Auto mode.

The clip is sending a number of known echoloop/edp Dire= ctMidi notes designated in the piano roll.

MIDI tr= ack out is set to IAC bus 1, ch 1.

Loop VST is in = adjoining Audio track.

What I seem to be missing somehow are these two things:=

1) How is the Midi note conveyed to the plugin in= teh adjacent Audio track? Because the plugin is not hearing it :)

2) Is there something I need to do withe the "Midi= Ctrl' Envelopes menu for the MIDI clip in question?

So much silliness :) =A0I am thinking of trying that Kapture plug in= , but it will only capture snapshots, not discrete changes, so I'd real= ly prefer to get this working :D

Phil :)

--bcaec54b49d61429eb04c5c27df1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 26 21:55:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 585F9183464; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 21:55:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=BQGZ99C0WIf+ul7+iTifsd2sM7t5oTCzFq+8R9h5x3A=; b=SCCSYgvwssAP5CEgsEOashTij2Fnyod592JYSkrqgMu0/kow9w+F6vvOvAVUANS4nS Me6Qlv6wl+wGPbCT6TLJRg9VFsIRDHZOycBNCnTQh5tpdMdTUQtfGZrRJDpJsfAZTN5N Hw1WR2bC6U9TXv7qZF+u7fTyUJSCmw4bEYhZHN02o+HeoaLaaSauG5LHLserYtN6MDyZ i79nV5jN55HbIQO4rom179jKgukCpmF5cbN1nQdRmm0ceGiFAwRgugWL07UHS5GitSQa hBTY5BueWpX9DLjRH1rNvZ8lOWmqNI4cKyuKzwXfV6+wOQWk7WXpCgZVDxLplyRA7bR5 756A== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 23:55:47 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Switching Echoloop VST Params Using Ableton Dummy Clips From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 21:55:48 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > 1) How is the Midi note conveyed to the plugin in teh adjacent Audio track? > Because the plugin is not hearing it :) > It might be that a plugin on an Audio Track can't react on MIDI in Live. If that is the case you can try to put the Echoloop VST on a MIDI/Instrument Track instead. > 2) Is there something I need to do withe the "Midi Ctrl' Envelopes menu for > the MIDI clip in question? Please note that the Echoloop doesn't work as normal plugins, since it is designed to act like an EDP; reacting to pre defined note numbers (or CC's). I might be wrong here, but I don't think the Echoloop reports all its parameters to the host and this is why Live's Clip Envelope stuff doesn't affect Echoloop. This is why I recommended using the IAC instead. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 26 22:19:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 448B9183464; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 22:19:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=1slwjfYuULXSB92zijnH1kceTohtdkrCwSakfSqK2PI=; b=tgjGmoJofvoPxINarnQJ/8umhbnbd0zuTxHubLEAdHlBwG94Crpof8KBITUr5srN2S AUnN0at4a9DuyDJR7u+fcVmohkUOdPCeo8CalGinOheiUOLx6c0JZogVY0uKHsOtPgAJ H5GUyTwZqfeulCo0Wbz0pW5jXSSuf9ShHI+36uZtFQqzLvSQTOAM+c3weFu1+5IvP3IA EBq2ZExHwJPUpabd+fwcAG9BkEU+J/fAx4k1EhUZD7iPyN3qdMvNmM70cNMHUbCAKK+R 9rC/p/l4/cnwvGe6BruPts5vosqkXfgIvEZQ7PSeyKtmOALvMPyv+BDaA0a/l+ucBauk NPKQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 00:19:09 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: EZwRgU8p5gm7yCWE5hzKLtbl824 Message-ID: Subject: Echoloop Presets? To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b3440c43f10ce04c5c2fdb2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 22:19:31 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b3440c43f10ce04c5c2fdb2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi while we=B4re on the subject of Echoloop, can someone tell me how one goes about creating and changing "presets", (to use an EDP term). I can see how to select different Insert Modes for example, but how do I change them "on the fly" from a foot pedal? I also need to get into SuS Record and Stutter mode too... (I can see how to do that too, but not how to make a "snapshot" of settings that I can bring up with one foot press. On my EDPs I have one bank that has all the Presets I need, 1 thru 5 (then they are repeated on pedal numbers 6 thru 10, except the have Midi set OUT (for receiving clock from the drum machine instead of sending clock) On my software setup (Mobius and Echoloop in Audio Mulch) I dont know how to do this and have to bend over and select stuff with the mouse, which is less than OK. Mark --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --047d7b3440c43f10ce04c5c2fdb2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi
while we=B4re on the subject of Echoloop, can someone tell me how one= goes about creating and changing "presets", (to use an EDP term)= . I can see how to select different Insert Modes for example, but how do I = change them "on the fly" from a foot pedal? I also need to get in= to SuS Record and Stutter mode too... (I can see how to do that too, but no= t how to make a "snapshot" of settings that I can bring up with o= ne foot press.
On my EDPs I have one bank that has all the Presets I need, 1 thru 5 (then = they are repeated on pedal numbers 6 thru 10, except the have Midi set OUT = (for receiving clock from the drum machine instead of sending clock)

On my software setup (Mobius and Echoloop in Audio Mulch) I dont know h= ow to do this and have to bend over and select stuff with the mouse, which = is less than OK.

Mark

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Mark Fr= ancombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--047d7b3440c43f10ce04c5c2fdb2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 26 22:43:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0791183462; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 22:43:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=VPXM0A8GhLto5FkvmAJhhoJLC47B11hhvd0rBtFUyHc=; b=NORfKuBNy6keMWhMOADf702xqC63ZEgg29KETTUa+hcLQ2F4+bkCJrNi49XvJgZRjj Go8Jbwzc11f6RTKhkS1WNIQ7nuJrT/FT/fOPkuvdUnqZyYED5ntcwBtZf6xeQ1BcXalK JePL5rg6M4ETQXoVeOSIsHhVpVMMsxNzGMhEueboXeqNFr+lh0xBD65+bADozjoRwDi4 Fhx5fM/55L1LR6pGL+Cng3NUppGjUk/UDHK2/+1qVyoX6MukzaEest77YjMu7fZgUfmK zkIO+I+qI6KSoNhPivu4CRUDQzhxx8FbcDEiYa3D7LL2kr/a66HZ1iqcZ/6c+RC1QKA5 1C8g== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 15:43:41 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Switching Echoloop VST Params Using Ableton Dummy Clips From: Phil Clevenger To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f23455dc82aa504c5c353b7 Resent-Message-ID: <7LJVt.A.bKG.fgcEQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 22:43:43 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f23455dc82aa504c5c353b7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Per you are correct - looks like the VST wants to be in a MIDI track. Once there, it can hear the IAC MIDI notes, and best of all, now I can make absolute assignments from a controller pad ! Thanks Per. I'm sure I'll yet find some kinks to work out, but this is huge progress for me. Best - Phil :) On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Phil Clevenger > wrote: > > 1) How is the Midi note conveyed to the plugin in teh adjacent Audio > track? > > Because the plugin is not hearing it :) > > > > It might be that a plugin on an Audio Track can't react on MIDI in > Live. If that is the case you can try to put the Echoloop VST on a > MIDI/Instrument Track instead. > > > 2) Is there something I need to do withe the "Midi Ctrl' Envelopes menu > for > > the MIDI clip in question? > > Please note that the Echoloop doesn't work as normal plugins, since it > is designed to act like an EDP; reacting to pre defined note numbers > (or CC's). I might be wrong here, but I don't think the Echoloop > reports all its parameters to the host and this is why Live's Clip > Envelope stuff doesn't affect Echoloop. This is why I recommended > using the IAC instead. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > --e89a8f23455dc82aa504c5c353b7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Per you are correct - looks like the VST wants to be in a MIDI track. Once = there, it can hear the IAC MIDI notes, and best of all, now I can make abso= lute assignments from a controller pad !

Thanks Per. I'm sure I&= #39;ll yet find some kinks to work out, but this is huge progress for me.
Best -=A0

Phil :)


--e89a8f23455dc82aa504c5c353b7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 26 23:42:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F55518345D; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 23:42:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=iTXp/6u8rxL70Hc0aQBKGf1kFMk7R5ae8muvexQEPQ0=; b=dZhpJXb0u/k+XT9On3C9Czj4OlKF3ZwGl/S7sPiiy9b4CYJTRezkzuB0ZH69FXAUDm TAPHB0SYRD0RHzxQya8cQAhMWdhwy0dyxqnciJWrWenrN7eOxCU+ttCXudZRhaLKm8u1 cI1l911myQ0iBMsr+bt3894EWbwPprBngqMXSMl01kfzRsWrMAszZWojSksEop7wHPtV WQZveTZYQaQhKnlDBrYyEGR64D9IBRA70k2DWUIjmYGWkhiGyBgNfhlch5ho3GzgKz05 T1rv8E/sKHQagVhBa/ipqopXfvMNSNyslF7MM9ovys09gFN5Jg8+svL877RdSxbm/T3u R/GQ== From: Phil Clevenger Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7--33246635 Subject: Re: Echoloop Presets? Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 16:42:53 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-Id: <3FD38B63-2B63-45D5-9806-4CDCA854A0B4@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 23:42:59 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7--33246635 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hey Mark -=20 I struggle with this a lot, although the only reason I would want = preset access specifically would be to invoke certain otherwise = inaccessible param changes. I need at minimum a pushbutton solution for changing subcycle setting = (2, 4, 8. etc), but would like access to a number of other things that = live in menus (Insert mode, SwitchQuant, etc). This week I am doubling down on getting control away from the computer = and back onto physical knobs and faders where they belong ! I've looked at using preset banks, EDP style... but Echoloop wants a = program change to access preset banks and I think Ableton is challenged = there. Tried using Clip Envelopes but they are relative rather than absolute, = and things get goofy fast because of that. Now per Per's advice I am trying a MIDI clip envelope solution which = looks promising - but it requires placing the Echoloop VST into a MIDI = track - and now I can't seem to route audio to the plugin since it's in = a MIDI track !! GAH - still working it here. Good luck and let us know what you find. = I'll do the same :) Phil :) On Jul 26, 2012, at 3:19 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Hi > while we=B4re on the subject of Echoloop, can someone tell me how one = goes about creating and changing "presets", (to use an EDP term). I can = see how to select different Insert Modes for example, but how do I = change them "on the fly" from a foot pedal? I also need to get into SuS = Record and Stutter mode too... (I can see how to do that too, but not = how to make a "snapshot" of settings that I can bring up with one foot = press. > On my EDPs I have one bank that has all the Presets I need, 1 thru 5 = (then they are repeated on pedal numbers 6 thru 10, except the have Midi = set OUT (for receiving clock from the drum machine instead of sending = clock) >=20 > On my software setup (Mobius and Echoloop in Audio Mulch) I dont know = how to do this and have to bend over and select stuff with the mouse, = which is less than OK. >=20 > Mark >=20 > --=20 > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >=20 --Apple-Mail-7--33246635 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Hey = Mark - 

I struggle with this  a lot, = although the only reason I would want preset access specifically would = be to invoke certain otherwise inaccessible param = changes.

I need at minimum a pushbutton = solution for changing subcycle setting (2, 4, 8. etc), but would like = access to a number of other things that live in menus (Insert mode, = SwitchQuant, etc).

This week I am doubling down = on getting control away from the computer and back onto physical knobs = and faders where they belong !

I've looked at = using preset banks, EDP style... but Echoloop wants a program change to = access preset banks and I think Ableton is challenged = there.

Tried using Clip Envelopes but they are =  relative rather than absolute, and things get goofy fast because = of that.

Now per Per's advice I am trying a = MIDI clip envelope solution which looks promising - but it requires = placing the Echoloop VST into a MIDI track - and now I can't seem to = route audio to the plugin since it's in a MIDI track = !!

GAH - still working it here. Good luck and = let us know what you find. I'll do the same = :)

Phil = :)



On Jul 26, = 2012, at 3:19 PM, mark francombe wrote:

Hi
while = we=B4re on the subject of Echoloop, can someone tell me how one goes = about creating and changing "presets", (to use an EDP term). I can see = how to select different Insert Modes for example, but how do I change = them "on the fly" from a foot pedal? I also need to get into SuS Record = and Stutter mode too... (I can see how to do that too, but not how to = make a "snapshot" of settings that I can bring up with one foot = press.
On my EDPs I have one bank that has all the Presets I need, 1 thru 5 = (then they are repeated on pedal numbers 6 thru 10, except the have Midi = set OUT (for receiving clock from the drum machine instead of sending = clock)

On my software setup (Mobius and Echoloop in Audio Mulch) I dont = know how to do this and have to bend over and select stuff with the = mouse, which is less than OK.

Mark

--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/


= --Apple-Mail-7--33246635-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 26 23:51:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC278183464; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 23:51:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=ooVAQvdf2OhPJXK9vKdozfY6a7968XOrt+m8w+t7sHc=; b=hsOVIopsaj5/HfCHcxNxSMqxIiV0WWOhAp2PJYn9i/x0c0KJb2RQ7Gw7QljmL4g7vA g/Pyw/TczbMMnVVxdxuJvGJhHvNw2go4Sgqww8RETTIJprTlKAJdCwZh6HDDQ6Xr2JjZ iuFR6ccqu4ZqRbfGjx1nDeKp4W60R4HoJqBztuU1NgsKrUCPDRdx7dQQfmKSu0Lj2DHz 86e5Nm+4bTE1jsvtdhF7XzvZ32cDzA53bfP0y9frCpE46u5kRAAipyot+VoQk6jH7Mag Zosho67OvY5szP+Xxgk4+FrPnedP63pUMgHbPRUziKixXHrsqXbxvnj7hsqMvMcwjKie ggIQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <3FD38B63-2B63-45D5-9806-4CDCA854A0B4@gmail.com> References: <3FD38B63-2B63-45D5-9806-4CDCA854A0B4@gmail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 01:51:18 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: xZzHdcCS1lwqnkV4miewP_1ETG0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Echoloop Presets? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b33d9dac159af04c5c446dd Resent-Message-ID: <9CVwRB.A.xyG.LgdEQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 23:51:39 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b33d9dac159af04c5c446dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thx Phil... Hmm so Echoloop IS using Program Change for the presets?.. OK that suits me fine, I just have to figure out how to SAVE the presets... everytime I start up Echoloop its just using default settings... Any clues there? M On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 1:42 AM, Phil Clevenger w= rote: > Hey Mark - > > I struggle with this a lot, although the only reason I would want preset > access specifically would be to invoke certain otherwise inaccessible par= am > changes. > > I need at minimum a pushbutton solution for changing subcycle setting (2, > 4, 8. etc), but would like access to a number of other things that live i= n > menus (Insert mode, SwitchQuant, etc). > > This week I am doubling down on getting control away from the computer an= d > back onto physical knobs and faders where they belong ! > > I've looked at using preset banks, EDP style... but Echoloop wants a > program change to access preset banks and I think Ableton is challenged > there. > > Tried using Clip Envelopes but they are relative rather than absolute, > and things get goofy fast because of that. > > Now per Per's advice I am trying a MIDI clip envelope solution which look= s > promising - but it requires placing the Echoloop VST into a MIDI track - > and now I can't seem to route audio to the plugin since it's in a MIDI > track !! > > GAH - still working it here. Good luck and let us know what you find. I'l= l > do the same :) > > Phil :) > > > > On Jul 26, 2012, at 3:19 PM, mark francombe wrote: > > Hi > while we=B4re on the subject of Echoloop, can someone tell me how one goe= s > about creating and changing "presets", (to use an EDP term). I can see ho= w > to select different Insert Modes for example, but how do I change them "o= n > the fly" from a foot pedal? I also need to get into SuS Record and Stutte= r > mode too... (I can see how to do that too, but not how to make a "snapsho= t" > of settings that I can bring up with one foot press. > On my EDPs I have one bank that has all the Presets I need, 1 thru 5 (the= n > they are repeated on pedal numbers 6 thru 10, except the have Midi set OU= T > (for receiving clock from the drum machine instead of sending clock) > > On my software setup (Mobius and Echoloop in Audio Mulch) I dont know how > to do this and have to bend over and select stuff with the mouse, which i= s > less than OK. > > Mark > > -- > *Mark Francombe* > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > > --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --047d7b33d9dac159af04c5c446dd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thx Phil... Hmm so Echoloop IS using Program Change for the presets?.. OK t= hat suits me fine, I just have to figure out how to SAVE the presets... eve= rytime I start up Echoloop its just using default settings... Any clues the= re?

M


On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 1:42 AM= , Phil Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Mark -=A0

I stru= ggle with this =A0a lot, although the only reason I would want preset acces= s specifically would be to invoke certain otherwise inaccessible param chan= ges.

I need at minimum a pushbutton solution for changing su= bcycle setting (2, 4, 8. etc), but would like access to a number of other t= hings that live in menus (Insert mode, SwitchQuant, etc).

This week I am doubling down on getting control away from the co= mputer and back onto physical knobs and faders where they belong !

I've looked at using preset banks, EDP style... but Ec= holoop wants a program change to access preset banks and I think Ableton is= challenged there.

Tried using Clip Envelopes but they are =A0relative rat= her than absolute, and things get goofy fast because of that.
Now per Per's advice I am trying a MIDI clip envelope solut= ion which looks promising - but it requires placing the Echoloop VST into a= MIDI track - and now I can't seem to route audio to the plugin since i= t's in a MIDI track !!

GAH - still working it here. Good luck and let us know = what you find. I'll do the same :)

Phil :)



On Jul 26, 2012, at 3:19 P= M, mark francombe wrote:

Hi
while we= =B4re on the subject of Echoloop, can someone tell me how one goes about cr= eating and changing "presets", (to use an EDP term). I can see ho= w to select different Insert Modes for example, but how do I change them &q= uot;on the fly" from a foot pedal? I also need to get into SuS Record = and Stutter mode too... (I can see how to do that too, but not how to make = a "snapshot" of settings that I can bring up with one foot press.=
On my EDPs I have one bank that has all the Presets I need, 1 thru 5 (then = they are repeated on pedal numbers 6 thru 10, except the have Midi set OUT = (for receiving clock from the drum machine instead of sending clock)

On my software setup (Mobius and Echoloop in Audio Mulch) I dont know h= ow to do this and have to bend over and select stuff with the mouse, which = is less than OK.

Mark

--
Mark Fr= ancombe

www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--047d7b33d9dac159af04c5c446dd-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 27 00:16:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5529183466; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 00:16:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=GLSkdQDDVdM2aBOFMzmPzCNLIzBuBO6+v+ZL9GMn4XA=; b=nSMpb3E+eiR/cGT2cAhrMj4279hCIvImDp6nv7BUl73UMbp7ffelRMEYrlRTcULUnK QtQP5Q1hfitZI6Pdjir7Fb787OjsuqypGdbSvKDDMzOlwsoyBw878aEtoENHoZkELYSq p8LaK1o7FZ3YspXib6o4AGkuTuecnefl4YW90wxM9tlfcuBqszNWY3F8EqKb2AJE0X6N AKgYgIu1/RjkhJJHzT1AK1INPjp7s7MLyKUqam1WNxzGdZ8C8uZLzfraH5Xrfg5HSwRS 3+6kveK2cxjvcEuVxvCU5z2ldTqQltj81AEKJYjDz7ewVPUQialGALhW6ukqhnkB1Iez NgRA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <3FD38B63-2B63-45D5-9806-4CDCA854A0B4@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 17:16:24 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Echoloop Presets? From: Phil Clevenger To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4efe326c59d8ca04c5c49f00 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 00:16:26 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4efe326c59d8ca04c5c49f00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ahh sure Mark that's relatively easy :) For the default set of presets in the Echoloop VST, there is no need to save them. Just set each one up the way you like and they will be recalled by that instance of the plugin anytime you choose one. You can rename each of them by clicking on the plug-in's title bar, then pressing Cmd-R. Now - how to recall them in Ableton - let us know :) On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 4:51 PM, mark francombe wro= te: > Thx Phil... Hmm so Echoloop IS using Program Change for the presets?.. OK > that suits me fine, I just have to figure out how to SAVE the presets... > everytime I start up Echoloop its just using default settings... Any clue= s > there? > > M > > > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 1:42 AM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > >> Hey Mark - >> >> I struggle with this a lot, although the only reason I would want prese= t >> access specifically would be to invoke certain otherwise inaccessible pa= ram >> changes. >> >> I need at minimum a pushbutton solution for changing subcycle setting (2= , >> 4, 8. etc), but would like access to a number of other things that live = in >> menus (Insert mode, SwitchQuant, etc). >> >> This week I am doubling down on getting control away from the computer >> and back onto physical knobs and faders where they belong ! >> >> I've looked at using preset banks, EDP style... but Echoloop wants a >> program change to access preset banks and I think Ableton is challenged >> there. >> >> Tried using Clip Envelopes but they are relative rather than absolute, >> and things get goofy fast because of that. >> >> Now per Per's advice I am trying a MIDI clip envelope solution which >> looks promising - but it requires placing the Echoloop VST into a MIDI >> track - and now I can't seem to route audio to the plugin since it's in = a >> MIDI track !! >> >> GAH - still working it here. Good luck and let us know what you find. >> I'll do the same :) >> >> Phil :) >> >> >> >> On Jul 26, 2012, at 3:19 PM, mark francombe wrote: >> >> Hi >> while we=B4re on the subject of Echoloop, can someone tell me how one go= es >> about creating and changing "presets", (to use an EDP term). I can see h= ow >> to select different Insert Modes for example, but how do I change them "= on >> the fly" from a foot pedal? I also need to get into SuS Record and Stutt= er >> mode too... (I can see how to do that too, but not how to make a "snapsh= ot" >> of settings that I can bring up with one foot press. >> On my EDPs I have one bank that has all the Presets I need, 1 thru 5 >> (then they are repeated on pedal numbers 6 thru 10, except the have Midi >> set OUT (for receiving clock from the drum machine instead of sending cl= ock) >> >> On my software setup (Mobius and Echoloop in Audio Mulch) I dont know ho= w >> to do this and have to bend over and select stuff with the mouse, which = is >> less than OK. >> >> Mark >> >> -- >> *Mark Francombe* >> www.markfrancombe.com >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://www.looop.no >> twitter @markfrancombe >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >> >> >> > > > -- > *Mark Francombe* > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > --e0cb4efe326c59d8ca04c5c49f00 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ahh sure Mark that's relatively easy :)

For the = default set of presets in the Echoloop VST, there is no need to save them. = Just set each one up the way you like and they will be recalled by that ins= tance of the plugin anytime you choose one. You can rename each of them by = clicking on the plug-in's title bar, then pressing Cmd-R.

Now - how to recall them in Ableton - let us know :)


On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 = at 4:51 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wro= te:
Thx Phil... Hmm so Echoloop IS using Program= Change for the presets?.. OK that suits me fine, I just have to figure out= how to SAVE the presets... everytime I start up Echoloop its just using de= fault settings... Any clues there?

M



On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 1:42 AM, Phil Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Mark -=A0

I stru= ggle with this =A0a lot, although the only reason I would want preset acces= s specifically would be to invoke certain otherwise inaccessible param chan= ges.

I need at minimum a pushbutton solution for changing su= bcycle setting (2, 4, 8. etc), but would like access to a number of other t= hings that live in menus (Insert mode, SwitchQuant, etc).

This week I am doubling down on getting control away from the co= mputer and back onto physical knobs and faders where they belong !

I've looked at using preset banks, EDP style... but Ec= holoop wants a program change to access preset banks and I think Ableton is= challenged there.

Tried using Clip Envelopes but they are =A0relative rat= her than absolute, and things get goofy fast because of that.
Now per Per's advice I am trying a MIDI clip envelope solut= ion which looks promising - but it requires placing the Echoloop VST into a= MIDI track - and now I can't seem to route audio to the plugin since i= t's in a MIDI track !!

GAH - still working it here. Good luck and let us know = what you find. I'll do the same :)
<= div>
Phil :)



On Jul 26, 2012, at 3:19 P= M, mark francombe wrote:

Hi
while we= =B4re on the subject of Echoloop, can someone tell me how one goes about cr= eating and changing "presets", (to use an EDP term). I can see ho= w to select different Insert Modes for example, but how do I change them &q= uot;on the fly" from a foot pedal? I also need to get into SuS Record = and Stutter mode too... (I can see how to do that too, but not how to make = a "snapshot" of settings that I can bring up with one foot press.=
On my EDPs I have one bank that has all the Presets I need, 1 thru 5 (then = they are repeated on pedal numbers 6 thru 10, except the have Midi set OUT = (for receiving clock from the drum machine instead of sending clock)

On my software setup (Mobius and Echoloop in Audio Mulch) I dont know h= ow to do this and have to bend over and select stuff with the mouse, which = is less than OK.

Mark

--
Mark Fr= ancombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>




--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--e0cb4efe326c59d8ca04c5c49f00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 27 00:31:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C47E7183462; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 00:31:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=tiy3Imuy8RVcCr+eCy2mBuiankX0i+DHdHq+nOfHq60=; b=jmYNNGSo+JEy/NydbFaHa5Z+sLUqyKaumDGXqzT6flg9H5hecPsvi22P9ecNFHL47f E2GGl9U1o0FgVOeHZGxR3sj3XYE0b9kM96fA1KmRe3TojTqe4lkulqV/fisxam+pPxQb 8uGAnn5I0zZzeR/O+2Ro6FZix6FZw1OVbD3tDTsEy3+UyiF+Mtwx19DWyNCsdTvI1BWb quapYyF7m4kEq05nXVAzO3aUnw0apXFbU/X89SEVQpvY3ORksxbF7/UWmqImb1wAbZvI 0b4lsbaC2HvL7LaDTvK+6Q6XcY1opwURWKRXaenIhL+uVY9D0PqMj99+60QaBO6sf1fb tAQA== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Switching Echoloop VST Params Using Ableton Dummy Clips From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 17:31:42 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <16BF5171-FE7D-4BC1-A199-5398CD597BA9@gmail.com> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 00:31:47 +0000 (UTC) So Per, Placing Echoloop in VST solves for the MIDI clip control - great ! But how can the plugin receive audio while it sits in a MIDI track? Stymied again :) Phil :) On Jul 26, 2012, at 2:55 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Phil Clevenger > wrote: >> 1) How is the Midi note conveyed to the plugin in teh adjacent Audio = track? >> Because the plugin is not hearing it :) >>=20 >=20 > It might be that a plugin on an Audio Track can't react on MIDI in > Live. If that is the case you can try to put the Echoloop VST on a > MIDI/Instrument Track instead. >=20 >> 2) Is there something I need to do withe the "Midi Ctrl' Envelopes = menu for >> the MIDI clip in question? >=20 > Please note that the Echoloop doesn't work as normal plugins, since it > is designed to act like an EDP; reacting to pre defined note numbers > (or CC's). I might be wrong here, but I don't think the Echoloop > reports all its parameters to the host and this is why Live's Clip > Envelope stuff doesn't affect Echoloop. This is why I recommended > using the IAC instead. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 27 00:46:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EF00183460; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 00:46:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=UwiZduyIa0sWobBcBh8XJSsGjhxgD1B1/iFX4Ta7too=; b=uf866cMbD/kCaEcTnqf2EtD64AiygTkUCNJZ/9ipQpo2XOYUCCuuOEBM9nf7zNXg53 Y+3BdV/Iptr4bw5pSCuT0wgyny3a/xqjev+7kmWhsVqmINoee5E5B9KEWOKiIWfHq6u3 zWBbP94qCazEDFyzvOxhMOp3cbfjWcP9EP5sepPlKGT1nmSQELpHG4lg+xA93iq3f/zv Rv2ZxHLOAmsaCi5BiszjEKr/4u9LcPvfzVjwBJ3LrVe+fad9ei1AQpW1mxRSfz2BdF2z AY5V17dEo2YoVqrQFea7bRoThnZ3FrF3URIFCXR6MVORJad6ApcR3MLuYpemxEpWKXTu FWmA== From: Phil Clevenger Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8--29440363 Subject: Re: Echoloop Presets? Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 17:46:19 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <3FD38B63-2B63-45D5-9806-4CDCA854A0B4@gmail.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 00:46:25 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-8--29440363 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mark, This article would seem to suggest a solution for transmitting Program = Changes inside Ableton: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb07/articles/livetech_0207.htm But I have not been able to make it work with Echoloop. Phil On Jul 26, 2012, at 4:51 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Thx Phil... Hmm so Echoloop IS using Program Change for the presets?.. = OK that suits me fine, I just have to figure out how to SAVE the = presets... everytime I start up Echoloop its just using default = settings... Any clues there? >=20 > M >=20 >=20 > On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 1:42 AM, Phil Clevenger = wrote: > Hey Mark -=20 >=20 > I struggle with this a lot, although the only reason I would want = preset access specifically would be to invoke certain otherwise = inaccessible param changes. >=20 > I need at minimum a pushbutton solution for changing subcycle setting = (2, 4, 8. etc), but would like access to a number of other things that = live in menus (Insert mode, SwitchQuant, etc). >=20 > This week I am doubling down on getting control away from the computer = and back onto physical knobs and faders where they belong ! >=20 > I've looked at using preset banks, EDP style... but Echoloop wants a = program change to access preset banks and I think Ableton is challenged = there. >=20 > Tried using Clip Envelopes but they are relative rather than = absolute, and things get goofy fast because of that. >=20 > Now per Per's advice I am trying a MIDI clip envelope solution which = looks promising - but it requires placing the Echoloop VST into a MIDI = track - and now I can't seem to route audio to the plugin since it's in = a MIDI track !! >=20 > GAH - still working it here. Good luck and let us know what you find. = I'll do the same :) >=20 > Phil :) >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Jul 26, 2012, at 3:19 PM, mark francombe wrote: >=20 >> Hi >> while we=B4re on the subject of Echoloop, can someone tell me how one = goes about creating and changing "presets", (to use an EDP term). I can = see how to select different Insert Modes for example, but how do I = change them "on the fly" from a foot pedal? I also need to get into SuS = Record and Stutter mode too... (I can see how to do that too, but not = how to make a "snapshot" of settings that I can bring up with one foot = press. >> On my EDPs I have one bank that has all the Presets I need, 1 thru 5 = (then they are repeated on pedal numbers 6 thru 10, except the have Midi = set OUT (for receiving clock from the drum machine instead of sending = clock) >>=20 >> On my software setup (Mobius and Echoloop in Audio Mulch) I dont know = how to do this and have to bend over and select stuff with the mouse, = which is less than OK. >>=20 >> Mark >>=20 >> --=20 >> Mark Francombe >> www.markfrancombe.com >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://www.looop.no >> twitter @markfrancombe >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >=20 --Apple-Mail-8--29440363 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 = http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb07/articles/livetech_0207.htm
=

But I have not been able to make it work with = Echoloop.

Phil


=
On Jul 26, 2012, at 4:51 PM, mark francombe wrote:

Thx = Phil... Hmm so Echoloop IS using Program Change for the presets?.. OK = that suits me fine, I just have to figure out how to SAVE the presets... = everytime I start up Echoloop its just using default settings... Any = clues there?

M


On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 1:42 = AM, Phil Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> = wrote:
Hey Mark = - 

I struggle with this  a lot, although = the only reason I would want preset access specifically would be to = invoke certain otherwise inaccessible param changes.

I need at minimum a pushbutton solution for changing = subcycle setting (2, 4, 8. etc), but would like access to a number of = other things that live in menus (Insert mode, SwitchQuant, = etc).

This week I am doubling down on getting control away from the = computer and back onto physical knobs and faders where they belong = !

I've looked at using preset banks, EDP = style... but Echoloop wants a program change to access preset banks and = I think Ableton is challenged there.

Tried using Clip Envelopes but they are =  relative rather than absolute, and things get goofy fast because = of that.

Now per Per's advice I am trying a = MIDI clip envelope solution which looks promising - but it requires = placing the Echoloop VST into a MIDI track - and now I can't seem to = route audio to the plugin since it's in a MIDI track !!

GAH - still working it here. Good luck and let us = know what you find. I'll do the same :)

Phil = :)



On Jul 26, 2012, at = 3:19 PM, mark francombe wrote:

Hi
while we=B4re on the subject of Echoloop, can = someone tell me how one goes about creating and changing "presets", (to = use an EDP term). I can see how to select different Insert Modes for = example, but how do I change them "on the fly" from a foot pedal? I also = need to get into SuS Record and Stutter mode too... (I can see how to do = that too, but not how to make a "snapshot" of settings that I can bring = up with one foot press.
On my EDPs I have one bank that has all the Presets I need, 1 thru 5 = (then they are repeated on pedal numbers 6 thru 10, except the have Midi = set OUT (for receiving clock from the drum machine instead of sending = clock)

On my software setup (Mobius and Echoloop in Audio Mulch) I dont = know how to do this and have to bend over and select stuff with the = mouse, which is less than OK.

Mark

--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/

=




--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/


= --Apple-Mail-8--29440363-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 27 09:19:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41C08183464; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 09:19:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=6Jw7G4MERWzF9dU9Au9vNH6qne3Po4DBsvuDWpmGCLY=; b=re+JeVWDPU2SfuTTMt7CGeNlSFZGeC3Jq+hlGrTGIK01hXUsRxee9vq7AnJ8Kagq2V SQ5rLS9P45sNa2H+Ihygkkw0YEL8mIs8fKMrV1FS0XbZ1Dj/ano0KUv8xL6PXdEz+JEG ikXaaNQPrXiMiYfT6eUjHfFng6lIr9lqRZzHkoQ1EDwBkFyY/gDISG8NSEbA8pNZU28r oicoDapL9zvBuOYYl8LnR8AAMYThCZTBNyMNQharnABBfsv0+2+lW4B9spHpYVlbM6gD mtDGmO0w2DUpJRYf0RonjsrGTRwMem7T2NO0WtuQ3GHnIIkGgafuRDen2GHUCdhe/9iM IbZQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3FD38B63-2B63-45D5-9806-4CDCA854A0B4@gmail.com> References: <3FD38B63-2B63-45D5-9806-4CDCA854A0B4@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:19:12 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Echoloop Presets? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 09:19:13 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 1:42 AM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > Now per Per's advice I am trying a MIDI clip envelope solution which looks > promising - but it requires placing the Echoloop VST into a MIDI track - and > now I can't seem to route audio to the plugin since it's in a MIDI track !! Do the Return Track round-trip! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 27 09:20:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 614D418345B; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 09:20:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=AnGYBv0YIuPz6hqLoi15h24JwxrxOgVoho4K2CP4cyA=; b=tATP+YGufmbUw+QkuB8x9AZ0Eyrqsy2J1Snt94sHRFqL9meqr/OcK8jkmJXxvQ3HWl OPdrkzSR1/xGWM8RQHImNMPRi0yFRYNgWRzV+/gBQaAGGJBr+g2InRHlgMqaPt55buen KOWKbvFAtsXP8vyutTlkR3jzSbNl6KLbnBJeSC/aW1ZAwkST37x1o6LPfFo6ZQc4w+4M JBbtOxWrXfe6/5/hbvaQfbSsNdXf1sPc1Y60r4U/APy0CqdPc4909V46ieXW0+QtYb5+ Gtn/t2FXWFDWJpkXavVwip1VbWVUJi/L9W60DnmqKcKXYIKjCi6H1XgtZepK5KhcDsuR 9Q1A== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <16BF5171-FE7D-4BC1-A199-5398CD597BA9@gmail.com> References: <16BF5171-FE7D-4BC1-A199-5398CD597BA9@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:20:33 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Switching Echoloop VST Params Using Ableton Dummy Clips From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 09:20:34 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 2:31 AM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > But how can the plugin receive audio while it sits in a MIDI track? By the blessing of the Return Track Round Trip!!! :-) Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 27 13:11:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5DBA183460; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:11:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=ThM1WzDt7rGzBR3FeiyxxxVjD4n5iq25f/4ul4ISmo0=; b=iI1w5vxzQI5pgm6/mEUAvFEnqZKFYcs9Cm+JwyPu14X8Ze5fLR8U5DyP9JKeA/aSMF YZN3Yl1A7ZAfT9I7hwH3fa7KJG1QN8bscWrL3RL91+W8GBD82/gRwY7dwSKcfdZ+XQeI DSQp81MCeTnRJIX6KV2NdCw8ZpqjODn8PpG77s24bNhA8mjDOKJXuIPyBSxF5vfdtSwB kZd+VK4DcXX8CN5HBagRR9qRtHVTm+6cNlIraMYDTGt04qHQMrY3w+8AvNU48y3+pdA9 cpDTDqorISs2dfjRqFa6k288x+9oyY/LtRKMTD9M9+59cuyN4ODByEAfFFuRpUpU55zF MBeQ== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Switching Echoloop VST Params Using Ableton Dummy Clips From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 06:11:52 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <16BF5171-FE7D-4BC1-A199-5398CD597BA9@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:11:57 +0000 (UTC) Well HA Per you sound maddeningly certain - so I do have hope yet :) But for that to work, any Return track's "Audio To" menu would have to = see either the MIDI track or the plug-in that sits in the MIDI track. = Yes? And none of my 'Audio To' menus, in tracks or returns, sees those = destinations. :( I generally don't use the LD lifeline unless I've got a couple of days' = futility behind me.... certainly the case now. Day 3 begins when the sun = comes up here :) I sure hope you are right... what am I missing here? Very best, Phil :) On Jul 27, 2012, at 2:20 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 2:31 AM, Phil Clevenger > wrote: >> But how can the plugin receive audio while it sits in a MIDI track? >=20 > By the blessing of the Return Track Round Trip!!! :-) >=20 > Per >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 27 13:17:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C66F718345E; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:17:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=8UxXOXwq7MpmAOHU2z5dbDs0/nLZzW5iZqTGrHWMtGE=; b=NOM3bUFcukPCdGqOZqHKLKZbe09PVA3/yG0iDMYStPhJGKdlKJ3ij76wIEPz5sN2US rHlDEY3Eb4WuEcaDb3QCRcs1B0XAoYNe7tTYLRIzAr1DwlwoMPfj6lvbWOR3ZPUlnA3p k1rNGKn9l8wJA9OX3WaAKC9OG9kn6Rv0lnZX4uVSMQWDx+5iFE/AJT4G6WVczl7unmzf vBu0rDvHn4ap5sOZH/43BB2jyOnFliPdbGfZ/3pclWNRXeY11esl+knGhyeTT/VR+u6I X92ggQNUkCBvNb/ZkDNXBdWR/GGZu/C7mvHmVecD60q8CqnQaPbAA963wooVOSAcK8Sr L32A== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <16BF5171-FE7D-4BC1-A199-5398CD597BA9@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 15:17:26 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Switching Echoloop VST Params Using Ableton Dummy Clips From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:17:27 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > Well HA Per you sound maddeningly certain - so I do have hope yet :) > > But for that to work, any Return track's "Audio To" menu would have to see either the MIDI track or the plug-in that sits in the MIDI track. Yes? And none of my 'Audio To' menus, in tracks or returns, sees those destinations. :( > The "Audio To" slot on a Return Track can target a MIDI Track if a plug-in that supports audio input is inserted on that MIDI Track (I tested this to be sure before posting here; I slapped Mobius over the MIDI Track and would assume Live works the same with Echoloop in this regard). Before an audio-input-supporting-plugin is inserted on a MIDI Track there won't be any sight of it from the Return Track's "Audio To" slots. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 27 13:24:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F29F6183461; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:24:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=abX0H5NwRPSTRmkKV90BQMSwcCq2TXytcp1qdeHKmUA=; b=At0jmJareqUwhmaT0q/a5xt1g8Q2sJ9GWNEmtp0WLoC6ZQzO5qCiotjhj8mXF/A5Uv FyyTU4MTPiTDExnHqi+c0lPjqzcXz04XwJoTFeXA+MEsKBCa2zadGqnZClVOn8Enht8W QOTejaT9UPjjwHBB+fdSdw6KS/e796779IIxjIbQmNR7eMJb8zskQtL06fmswoqPGpkW OBi/QFaF2KUOoeahaCpAjcaOOQbohnHYfu7P33NwJZoevpu7YNTJjO2PhmvVySbucNo1 xrUxnFa3qfjXVIkrPuNJxejterQAIiGNyJr6z9gR7vL3ZZZtZUoYi0Obeve5ce2XZhyK 2LNA== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Switching Echoloop VST Params Using Ableton Dummy Clips From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 06:24:28 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <50138855-5C29-49F5-8574-AC67F89C88CC@gmail.com> References: <16BF5171-FE7D-4BC1-A199-5398CD597BA9@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:24:32 +0000 (UTC) AH there is the rule. Just tried the same test as you describe, and you are correct: Mobius = works! But, Echoloop does not :) I guess my next step is to see if I can feed audio THROUGH Mobius, or = similar, to Echoloop in that channel ! Will post results. Thanks Per :) Phil :) On Jul 27, 2012, at 6:17 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Phil Clevenger > wrote: >> Well HA Per you sound maddeningly certain - so I do have hope yet :) >>=20 >> But for that to work, any Return track's "Audio To" menu would have = to see either the MIDI track or the plug-in that sits in the MIDI track. = Yes? And none of my 'Audio To' menus, in tracks or returns, sees those = destinations. :( >>=20 >=20 > The "Audio To" slot on a Return Track can target a MIDI Track if a > plug-in that supports audio input is inserted on that MIDI Track (I > tested this to be sure before posting here; I slapped Mobius over the > MIDI Track and would assume Live works the same with Echoloop in this > regard). Before an audio-input-supporting-plugin is inserted on a MIDI > Track there won't be any sight of it from the Return Track's "Audio > To" slots. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 27 13:31:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12A4618345C; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:31:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=rPtXg3Fe/68lVNInoY49oOEyWwyTo6a5YFbOA1Twfxk=; b=HxEpORk+/rWi/RiN7bd4WGtwVKoKh2uCAI5OsrzfxoYfsGb3APb83/o8BRKdnPH10T 9+dULg0aTWM+2GcaQT1+puF3sAvRetLQoYEkOVt76TXv+3wxx1QQZG49EUzFyPzed4kN vaAuJea2At3/HHaWMniXXT/405uxzqGRxLDKluf4ycitqK0Hqcl6j4Ge+TyWqlgxs05U qA6Mmil4CtdFe0HPYz6Lo1sSiLJTbm2Aek8hSqqOj+n2gfV5XFVZzd/d0eA+AfH1K3l/ 6mWX1RrDm3TCoAuKM0DPfkjgqSSRWMaddQaYw8ygIIDe/wfemuNPasY2CvIF/VeTBK78 rAhw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <50138855-5C29-49F5-8574-AC67F89C88CC@gmail.com> References: <16BF5171-FE7D-4BC1-A199-5398CD597BA9@gmail.com> <50138855-5C29-49F5-8574-AC67F89C88CC@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 15:31:56 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Switching Echoloop VST Params Using Ableton Dummy Clips From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:31:56 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > I guess my next step is to see if I can feed audio THROUGH Mobius, or similar, to Echoloop in that channel ! Will post results. Fun, getting dirty now. Make sure to activate Monitor Audio Input in Mobius "Configuration/Global Parameters" and you should be able to play right through it. And hey - maybe you can take away Mobius once you've used it to trick Live? (and still keep the virtual audio path) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 27 14:40:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6561618345C; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 14:40:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=de4lG9b5LBLbdPP1mBfs3/eRZB7j2kpYfCvmEe8raAk= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=UncmS/Am0Fgh8c8TZh5eWA==:17 a=5jeMJ-ij1Rrcrd8tbqUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=UncmS/Am0Fgh8c8TZh5eWA==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Echoloop VST From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 07:40:38 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <21F5A174-BE6B-4679-B51C-906A1E7EEAA4@charter.net> References: , To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 14:40:40 +0000 (UTC) I always wondered if Echoloop VST would work with Audiomulch...now I = know. I have been using Echoloop VST within MaxMSP quite successfully. Audiomulch was one of the other programs I considered getting into. Good luck. Let me know if you figure out a way to make it work. On Jul 26, 2012, at 2:41 AM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > I managed to track a copy of this down this morning but it crashes = Audiomulch - anyone? >=20 > Peace, >=20 > G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 27 14:44:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A77818345D; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 14:44:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_0b91b2f5-b78b-4e5e-afc2-aedceab58851_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.53.10] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Echoloop VST Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 14:43:59 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <21F5A174-BE6B-4679-B51C-906A1E7EEAA4@charter.net> References: , ,<21F5A174-BE6B-4679-B51C-906A1E7EEAA4@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2012 14:43:59.0680 (UTC) FILETIME=[42046400:01CD6C06] Resent-Message-ID: <5_oomC.A.ZeF.wkqEQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 14:44:00 +0000 (UTC) --_0b91b2f5-b78b-4e5e-afc2-aedceab58851_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It might be my fault Ted. I just downloaded it. Maybe it needs some sort of= activation code. I was just curious about it but I'll probably tick with A= ugustus loop. The new Audiomulch allow for super low latencies BTW - mine = is down to .9 ms! Peace g Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > Subject: Re: Echoloop VST > From: tedkillian@charter.net > Date: Fri=2C 27 Jul 2012 07:40:38 -0700 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > I always wondered if Echoloop VST would work with Audiomulch...now I know= . >=20 > I have been using Echoloop VST within MaxMSP quite successfully. >=20 > Audiomulch was one of the other programs I considered getting into. >=20 > Good luck. >=20 > Let me know if you figure out a way to make it work. >=20 > On Jul 26=2C 2012=2C at 2:41 AM=2C Gareth Whittock wrote: >=20 > > I managed to track a copy of this down this morning but it crashes Audi= omulch - anyone? > >=20 > > Peace=2C > >=20 > > G >=20 = --_0b91b2f5-b78b-4e5e-afc2-aedceab58851_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It might be my fault Ted. I just downloaded it. Maybe it needs some sort of= activation code. I was just curious about it but I'll probably tick with A= ugustus loop. The new Audiomulch allow for super low latencies BTW -  = =3Bmine is down to .9 ms!

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= --_0b91b2f5-b78b-4e5e-afc2-aedceab58851_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 27 19:05:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4427E183460; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 19:05:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 790342542/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.183.72/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.183.72 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsMEAOvlElBV0rdI/2dsb2JhbAANOI1lqlgEA4QzAQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBrn2UNo8ogxwDmxCNJQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,668,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="790342542" Message-ID: <5012E657.4080102@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:04:55 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoloop Presets? References: <3FD38B63-2B63-45D5-9806-4CDCA854A0B4@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 19:05:01 +0000 (UTC) Phil Clevenger wrote: > > Ahh sure Mark that's relatively easy :) > In this respect at least it's just like any other VST plugin, using standard VST presets. (just with the addition of recall via ProgCh). andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 27 19:43:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29FAA183461; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 19:43:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=P3/fLTSlZl1/8SsfLnrXMP5Xt+PBSsWeiVvHWwXk7A0=; b=TULbMQocDIf0jnlfxfmqx/tPTuRS2gZLildvRSohZ+brGgk5999MQVRAdqlMSusOBu kI4UfIr1JmuuRQCFFv3ahhB0aCJNkLreS6hjmVi2kMOC1LBKyrUKq2j9tQQsjG7IdXgz JO4MS6NjkQfGmqCUY/LK89dJ5n54xcmAJG4eMmFcRzSPSG37RHga2ELqTFQyC49CXc6W kk6hGZezPYb6SAI/1YjpJZlvZDIOrodmM/9KQb4wmJ0q6Kyjzy+ZEA4qfwIo36NVxyXH AUhv0027S3LJd6XsSYQqhatVypNiFOc5OoFVg+azsz3MAvDjida533q9ElrMxLXUHkBy QXRw== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Echoloop Presets? From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: <5012E657.4080102@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 12:43:02 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <3FD38B63-2B63-45D5-9806-4CDCA854A0B4@gmail.com> <5012E657.4080102@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 19:43:06 +0000 (UTC) True enough, but that said, I've not been able to succeed in Ableton to = recall Echoloop presets via Program Change, even though I have succeeded = to save named presets for such recall. My understanding is that these presets are attached to Program Changes 1 = thru 15. The only method I've found in Ableton to approach that is by the Bank, = SubBank, and Program params in the Notes panel for any MIDI clip, but = Echoloop does not respond to these as far as I can tell. Phil :) On Jul 27, 2012, at 12:04 PM, andy butler wrote: >=20 >=20 > Phil Clevenger wrote: >> Ahh sure Mark that's relatively easy :) >=20 > In this respect at least > it's just like any other VST plugin, using standard VST presets. >=20 > (just with the addition of recall via ProgCh). >=20 > andy >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 27 19:48:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B208183461; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 19:48:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=AYRFa6XsBP6do/jmzklh83IGD44HiUZd/T4MFsEN7OY=; b=f0XDiyUN3D4R/9N5zwNAe6nFLgfDITYQRKLtZQtWNxa5Oxsuoy65iuvf4R7ntUYsX2 vLa+nXNhBzna2Erdg1dEvZIzPbvuRd6t+t6akc6yfs9Uy9KXys5OOhdTFb7U/5jHAgKJ qN5BVv5hEKRAhLddsXFt0wLwES5n4KrBQqSe4CP+zPWVOstxlxUZiWhWhxeQieHzvjNh 1DnSNl44CzwLMmkZoC4610dMPjefRSKSEfD2TImICmfnhjmdQhFXxbVulL2luUyUqx/x RZkrrhh719HdFyhETDSZ27C2LL65O/JJvO2sYdzyy/g96khtZJ5N2crue6+83E1Fl25i 48jw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <3FD38B63-2B63-45D5-9806-4CDCA854A0B4@gmail.com> <5012E657.4080102@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 21:48:34 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Echoloop Presets? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 19:48:35 +0000 (UTC) Hey, Phil - did you say PROGRAMME CHANGE! Oh my... A tiny purple creature at the back of my brain whispers something about Live not supporting MIDI Program Change events. Maybe you should check that with a search on the Live forum, I never use Program Change in Live so I have no hands-on experience of my own on this. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > True enough, but that said, I've not been able to succeed in Ableton to recall Echoloop presets via Program Change, even though I have succeeded to save named presets for such recall. > > My understanding is that these presets are attached to Program Changes 1 thru 15. > > The only method I've found in Ableton to approach that is by the Bank, SubBank, and Program params in the Notes panel for any MIDI clip, but Echoloop does not respond to these as far as I can tell. > > Phil :) > > > > > On Jul 27, 2012, at 12:04 PM, andy butler wrote: > >> >> >> Phil Clevenger wrote: >>> Ahh sure Mark that's relatively easy :) >> >> In this respect at least >> it's just like any other VST plugin, using standard VST presets. >> >> (just with the addition of recall via ProgCh). >> >> andy >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 27 20:01:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E07F18345D; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:01:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=i8RsMq6fbVIPdzTiVhuuhjmRidgj0+yItoJEwUMrte8=; b=Q1ME+Fh4lItpq+2nzodw3Qu2dnv5DAKFGbQVWRT1i7ut1UBqxhKrr3pzleynb6kCN6 OoYmw3GfjOYJT+qimMjQ1pQ8JpzkHxc3i+53wteQeRoY20wj7iV2RNikFyofpwGs7mG8 SxI7+6eY5NaW949K8vS7K+PhI8yxSYfbVGibNyjxM0V6Gu9JGPeOffxSSMEawSjFrhcN CyLU1ZNKKcYldYhG2fqk2Pej7IzyppMHJThOBL0YMFs2HnC04Ccc7hon03LDmdDJMHZU IGKBRzK77mG+jGtJQ66++nutnEVV5Y1zH56GqKiaKb5Spka54IzXW9HIAXtBdSviRa7Y hbcA== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Echoloop Presets? From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:01:40 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <3FD38B63-2B63-45D5-9806-4CDCA854A0B4@gmail.com> <5012E657.4080102@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <_lAPF.A.ah.qOvEQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:01:46 +0000 (UTC) You are correct, Ableton likes notes and CCs only.=20 I had thought the Ableton feature I described (Program, Bank, Sub-Bank = params) could be a workaround. Else, not sure one can recall Echoloop = presets in Ableton :) Phil :) On Jul 27, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Hey, Phil - did you say PROGRAMME CHANGE! Oh my... A tiny purple > creature at the back of my brain whispers something about Live not > supporting MIDI Program Change events. Maybe you should check that > with a search on the Live forum, I never use Program Change in Live so > I have no hands-on experience of my own on this. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 > On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Phil Clevenger > wrote: >> True enough, but that said, I've not been able to succeed in Ableton = to recall Echoloop presets via Program Change, even though I have = succeeded to save named presets for such recall. >>=20 >> My understanding is that these presets are attached to Program = Changes 1 thru 15. >>=20 >> The only method I've found in Ableton to approach that is by the = Bank, SubBank, and Program params in the Notes panel for any MIDI clip, = but Echoloop does not respond to these as far as I can tell. >>=20 >> Phil :) >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Jul 27, 2012, at 12:04 PM, andy butler wrote: >>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Phil Clevenger wrote: >>>> Ahh sure Mark that's relatively easy :) >>>=20 >>> In this respect at least >>> it's just like any other VST plugin, using standard VST presets. >>>=20 >>> (just with the addition of recall via ProgCh). >>>=20 >>> andy >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 27 20:27:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA634183460; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:27:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=9w0UPrxmtq8NeLZXcjb4yZwLDhDs/kpMUAxjZeDO118=; b=grjs0/RgyZKdnldKX31eIqwOWnVwnauTy0DszqRwZarh6ouvrTmkkW/gC2NmWi2dy3 haA7H6o2Jdbd7+WFenuSP8rq1OWDWzFtfFpYbl6cllKuVz+27L9t9G8KKPWv5RAu9CXu svzL6IegoDsnN2P5mNujoxTmqsxZvQ2UvJlD24ytgh3z412OtY9HScuAhurruez2fLy4 SCEvwMBPfjvGZSvDcrSYWkTgK9wE2LrnVFgDRIDN5fA1ISgbTUHN+e5Cgpwoy5ldvIqa 7fH/GFUTX3pDbBu6Lu07K6X8FrYbrnG/Ran8volaetvicONPiuBGABujjjVKWHc9J7nF THWw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <3FD38B63-2B63-45D5-9806-4CDCA854A0B4@gmail.com> <5012E657.4080102@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 22:27:10 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Echoloop Presets? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:27:11 +0000 (UTC) But don't you have some MIDI foot pedalboard that can sent MIDI Program Change? If so, just set up a MIDI signal path piping it into the Echoloop (Live's MIDI pref's, track routing) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > You are correct, Ableton likes notes and CCs only. > > I had thought the Ableton feature I described (Program, Bank, Sub-Bank params) could be a workaround. Else, not sure one can recall Echoloop presets in Ableton :) > > Phil :) > > > On Jul 27, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> Hey, Phil - did you say PROGRAMME CHANGE! Oh my... A tiny purple >> creature at the back of my brain whispers something about Live not >> supporting MIDI Program Change events. Maybe you should check that >> with a search on the Live forum, I never use Program Change in Live so >> I have no hands-on experience of my own on this. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Phil Clevenger >> wrote: >>> True enough, but that said, I've not been able to succeed in Ableton to recall Echoloop presets via Program Change, even though I have succeeded to save named presets for such recall. >>> >>> My understanding is that these presets are attached to Program Changes 1 thru 15. >>> >>> The only method I've found in Ableton to approach that is by the Bank, SubBank, and Program params in the Notes panel for any MIDI clip, but Echoloop does not respond to these as far as I can tell. >>> >>> Phil :) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jul 27, 2012, at 12:04 PM, andy butler wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Phil Clevenger wrote: >>>>> Ahh sure Mark that's relatively easy :) >>>> >>>> In this respect at least >>>> it's just like any other VST plugin, using standard VST presets. >>>> >>>> (just with the addition of recall via ProgCh). >>>> >>>> andy >>>> >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 27 20:39:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 064DC183463; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:39:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=K69lJxjA8PJaYNZn4uci175vV7DRWOKIE2Uw90lcvtE=; b=oNH6BF64huPE5irHwNsqY+4FKbz9qBQwyWoqTYQ1f/Mq1IgegOkWp7hFpHc2zt25Uw /9jrGFezKWvbFHIo/jwzJGawbB9EisSHpg+nBYvWAlGzrbJqm1cG8VblGQzw37AWN6At YJEP4PXEgYoP5ALHNoRIMGZi4C0/CosNnsxEkHXzlvF/AbEuKH+pDlUy2XkjrsF20rVU P10b3m7cQ5yTZdUlQBbXovtkV/NyM7UuSF1U4uK+uMXYMT6v6dDqv6t4SQP7suyEt8HF JaniYLZRSoR24WytHvNW5o1BSX9YE7GWHHoY6sgjdyetuat4giyR3egmCqJtKXD3LzND xFAQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <16BF5171-FE7D-4BC1-A199-5398CD597BA9@gmail.com> <50138855-5C29-49F5-8574-AC67F89C88CC@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:39:42 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Switching Echoloop VST Params Using Ableton Dummy Clips From: Phil Clevenger To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364d246337195e04c5d5b6d7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:39:43 +0000 (UTC) --0016364d246337195e04c5d5b6d7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Still more dirt than fun - ! True: Return tracks (indeed any "Audio To" menu) can see the MIDI track when Mobius is in it. The "Audio To" menu now contains 3 options: Left In 2 - Mobius 2; Left In 3 - Mobius 2; and Left In 4 - Mobius 2. Regardless of which is selected in the Return track's "Audio To" menu, the Mobius instance in my MIDI track does not receive audio. I tested the same config in an Audio track, and Mobius receieves audio from the Return track perfectly. SO: to recap: in order to escape the computer and move all interaction to physical controllers, I want to create a pushbutton solution to govern certain parameters normally governed by CControls. That is not possible with standard MIDI learn in the host; it is partially possible with Clip Envelopes, but they are relative in nature and will fall apart quickly during use; and it is completely doable with Echoloop in a MIDI track, and using MIDI Clip Envelopes, which are absolute in nature and allow exactly the kind of control I seek. The challenge now is getting Echoloop to hear audio while sitting in such a MIDI track. This is impossible on its face, as Echoloop is invisible to "Audio To" menus when sitting in a MIDI track. But, Mobius IS visible to "Audio To" menus when sitting in a MIDI track, and could pass audio along to Echoloop if it were next in the chain. However, Mobius does not seem to hear any audio directed to it from other "Audio To" menus. *So... how to get audio to Mobius in a MIDI track ?* No mention of this case in Mobius manual or online. Genuine esoterica here :D On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 6:31 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Phil Clevenger > wrote: > > I guess my next step is to see if I can feed audio THROUGH Mobius, or > similar, to Echoloop in that channel ! Will post results. > > > Fun, getting dirty now. Make sure to activate Monitor Audio Input in > Mobius "Configuration/Global Parameters" and you should be able to > play right through it. And hey - maybe you can take away Mobius once > you've used it to trick Live? (and still keep the virtual audio path) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > --0016364d246337195e04c5d5b6d7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Still more dirt than fun - !

True: Return tracks (indeed= any "Audio To" menu) can see the MIDI track when Mobius is in it= . The "Audio To" menu now contains 3 options: Left In 2 - Mobius = 2; Left In 3 - Mobius 2; and Left In 4 - Mobius 2.

Regardless of which is selected in the Return track'= ;s "Audio To" menu, the Mobius instance in my MIDI track does not= receive audio.

I tested the same config in an Aud= io track, and Mobius receieves audio from the Return track perfectly.

SO: to recap: in order to escape the computer and move = all interaction to physical controllers, I want to create a pushbutton solu= tion to govern certain parameters normally governed by CControls. That is n= ot possible with standard MIDI learn in the host; it is partially possible = with Clip Envelopes, but they are relative in nature and will fall apart qu= ickly during use; and it is completely doable with Echoloop in a MIDI track= , and using MIDI Clip Envelopes, which are absolute in nature and allow exa= ctly the kind of control I seek. The challenge now is getting Echoloop to h= ear audio while sitting in such a MIDI track. This is impossible on its fac= e, as Echoloop is invisible to "Audio To" menus when sitting in a= MIDI track. But, Mobius IS visible to "Audio To" menus when sitt= ing in a MIDI track, and could pass audio along to Echoloop if it were next= in the chain. However, Mobius does not seem to hear any audio directed to = it from other "Audio To" menus.

So... how to get audio to Mobius in a MIDI track ?

No mention of this case in Mobius manual or onl= ine. Genuine esoterica here :D
--0016364d246337195e04c5d5b6d7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 27 20:41:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AED118345E; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:41:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=e2vFL9KkOUyQ2bnczdVUKs5BslcNyFGX81yV3PafOQI=; b=efTFZEJTQ3BFglypVvDEnj9WRBzN2UnIDn6aMdcng/34hZctXCWKH5vPCIQjNKLh4d WWOqR3MzfuVWIlCHzjinBrf9D7se3z2IB+3tHth5AE1eiKssrJf6fJLp+5KKAkr5Odhd +hnEM+BXK9DMyupCqwH8CHkvgOaaHapg586hK9C/Dg/G9N/AYeWOW7zHBYVS0AeO5k07 ct4qt+PIuR3VUbcgFJs4aTi0jEsHDDrFmXABJPOIF4IQCJp4B0nkYw4mG2XkjLGUYk2b 93hMDzj8ll0PQM4WozaOy9vmsmYxC2iefqiaVS/0Gertogk/3hSat5A22BOMRMbYfm/Z pr9A== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <3FD38B63-2B63-45D5-9806-4CDCA854A0B4@gmail.com> <5012E657.4080102@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:41:30 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Echoloop Presets? From: Phil Clevenger To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf301eeb2ba0d61304c5d5bcab Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:41:31 +0000 (UTC) --20cf301eeb2ba0d61304c5d5bcab Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ah yes that should work - I've been using lesser methods for testing, but the LG and DirectMidi should work fine. May not get to that today but I will report back :) Phil :) On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > But don't you have some MIDI foot pedalboard that can sent MIDI > Program Change? If so, just set up a MIDI signal path piping it into > the Echoloop (Live's MIDI pref's, track routing) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Phil Clevenger > wrote: > > You are correct, Ableton likes notes and CCs only. > > > > I had thought the Ableton feature I described (Program, Bank, Sub-Bank > params) could be a workaround. Else, not sure one can recall Echoloop > presets in Ableton :) > > > > Phil :) > > > > > > On Jul 27, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > > >> Hey, Phil - did you say PROGRAMME CHANGE! Oh my... A tiny purple > >> creature at the back of my brain whispers something about Live not > >> supporting MIDI Program Change events. Maybe you should check that > >> with a search on the Live forum, I never use Program Change in Live so > >> I have no hands-on experience of my own on this. > >> > >> Greetings from Sweden > >> > >> Per Boysen > >> www.perboysen.com > >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Phil Clevenger > >> wrote: > >>> True enough, but that said, I've not been able to succeed in Ableton > to recall Echoloop presets via Program Change, even though I have succeeded > to save named presets for such recall. > >>> > >>> My understanding is that these presets are attached to Program Changes > 1 thru 15. > >>> > >>> The only method I've found in Ableton to approach that is by the Bank, > SubBank, and Program params in the Notes panel for any MIDI clip, but > Echoloop does not respond to these as far as I can tell. > >>> > >>> Phil :) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Jul 27, 2012, at 12:04 PM, andy butler wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Phil Clevenger wrote: > >>>>> Ahh sure Mark that's relatively easy :) > >>>> > >>>> In this respect at least > >>>> it's just like any other VST plugin, using standard VST presets. > >>>> > >>>> (just with the addition of recall via ProgCh). > >>>> > >>>> andy > >>>> > >>> > >> > > > > --20cf301eeb2ba0d61304c5d5bcab Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah yes that should work - I've been using lesser methods for testing, b= ut the LG and DirectMidi should work fine. May not get to that today but I = will report back :)

Phil :)

On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
But don't you have some MIDI foot pedalboard that can sent MIDI
Program Change? If so, just set up a MIDI signal path piping it into
the Echoloop (Live's MIDI pref's, track routing)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen


On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Phil Clevenger
<phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
> You are correct, Ableton likes notes and CCs only.
>
> I had thought the Ableton feature I described (Program, Bank, Sub-Bank= params) could be a workaround. Else, not sure one can recall Echoloop pres= ets in Ableton :)
>
> Phil :)
>
>
> On Jul 27, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Per Boysen wrote:
>
>> Hey, Phil - did you say PROGRAMME CHANGE! Oh my... A tiny purple >> creature at the back of my brain whispers something about Live not=
>> supporting MIDI Program Change events. Maybe you should check that=
>> with a search on the Live forum, I never use Program Change in Liv= e so
>> I have no hands-on experience of my own on this.
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.perboys= en.com
>> htt= p://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Phil Clevenger
>> <phil.clevenger@gma= il.com> wrote:
>>> True enough, but that said, I've not been able to succeed = in Ableton to recall Echoloop presets via Program Change, even though I hav= e succeeded to save named presets for such recall.
>>>
>>> My understanding is that these presets are attached to Program= Changes 1 thru 15.
>>>
>>> The only method I've found in Ableton to approach that is = by the Bank, SubBank, and Program params in the Notes panel for any MIDI cl= ip, but Echoloop does not respond to these as far as I can tell.
>>>
>>> Phil :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 27, 2012, at 12:04 PM, andy butler wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Phil Clevenger wrote:
>>>>> Ahh sure Mark that's relatively easy :)
>>>>
>>>> In this respect at least
>>>> it's just like any other VST plugin, using standard VS= T presets.
>>>>
>>>> (just with the addition of recall via ProgCh).
>>>>
>>>> andy
>>>>
>>>
>>
>


--20cf301eeb2ba0d61304c5d5bcab-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 27 21:13:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2308718345E; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 21:13:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=H3zebEVk+8N+g8vQ9GT6D7V7MILN7cFoVSq90Y2rKvk=; b=R+zGuwIFonMl1216L0FwbRU7RYhz1N1qoRx3ACUxHczP7CY25yeOdYGMQzXeKrh0Rd IOqHCuyzFLC6s0pxfZqVgygSX0mvQmyc8wKfWqOcJM90OOLuVC9cLw7ba1VuBuLLB4tL +Ub4h/2bWCR8hE3heJlAjC8NH0s/JJzgIzdwVlxa47SxkL7bX1IF0Gx8eM3ON2VpxFyw zh1IDDJnZhn3toqSVlZeN2NNOwVyAQsTsjO6EgNIPksodVgsEVwxU8a6MU1Hcc0Ymj75 hVUbFrFNO88A7Bq/vEcY7ySU8SGPaCTQmB2KKWw2qziKEbFoqF/fEPAc1HMcO/EKioXa IdSg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <16BF5171-FE7D-4BC1-A199-5398CD597BA9@gmail.com> <50138855-5C29-49F5-8574-AC67F89C88CC@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 14:13:05 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Switching Echoloop VST Params Using Ableton Dummy Clips From: Phil Clevenger To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042a0d6798e6d004c5d62d88 Resent-Message-ID: <03gtr.A.ApB.iRwEQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 21:13:06 +0000 (UTC) --f46d042a0d6798e6d004c5d62d88 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Monitor Audio Input is of course on :) On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > Still more dirt than fun - ! > > True: Return tracks (indeed any "Audio To" menu) can see the MIDI track > when Mobius is in it. The "Audio To" menu now contains 3 options: Left In 2 > - Mobius 2; Left In 3 - Mobius 2; and Left In 4 - Mobius 2. > > Regardless of which is selected in the Return track's "Audio To" menu, the > Mobius instance in my MIDI track does not receive audio. > > I tested the same config in an Audio track, and Mobius receieves audio > from the Return track perfectly. > > SO: to recap: in order to escape the computer and move all interaction to > physical controllers, I want to create a pushbutton solution to govern > certain parameters normally governed by CControls. That is not possible > with standard MIDI learn in the host; it is partially possible with Clip > Envelopes, but they are relative in nature and will fall apart quickly > during use; and it is completely doable with Echoloop in a MIDI track, and > using MIDI Clip Envelopes, which are absolute in nature and allow exactly > the kind of control I seek. The challenge now is getting Echoloop to hear > audio while sitting in such a MIDI track. This is impossible on its face, > as Echoloop is invisible to "Audio To" menus when sitting in a MIDI track. > But, Mobius IS visible to "Audio To" menus when sitting in a MIDI track, > and could pass audio along to Echoloop if it were next in the chain. > However, Mobius does not seem to hear any audio directed to it from other > "Audio To" menus. > > *So... how to get audio to Mobius in a MIDI track ?* > > No mention of this case in Mobius manual or online. Genuine esoterica here > :D > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 6:31 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Phil Clevenger >> wrote: >> > I guess my next step is to see if I can feed audio THROUGH Mobius, or >> similar, to Echoloop in that channel ! Will post results. >> >> >> Fun, getting dirty now. Make sure to activate Monitor Audio Input in >> Mobius "Configuration/Global Parameters" and you should be able to >> play right through it. And hey - maybe you can take away Mobius once >> you've used it to trick Live? (and still keep the virtual audio path) >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> > --f46d042a0d6798e6d004c5d62d88 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Monitor Audio Input is of course on :)

On= Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Phil Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail= .com> wrote:
Still more dirt than fun - !

<= div>True: Return tracks (indeed any "Audio To" menu) can see the = MIDI track when Mobius is in it. The "Audio To" menu now contains= 3 options: Left In 2 - Mobius 2; Left In 3 - Mobius 2; and Left In 4 - Mob= ius 2.

Regardless of which is selected in the Return track'= ;s "Audio To" menu, the Mobius instance in my MIDI track does not= receive audio.

I tested the same config in an Aud= io track, and Mobius receieves audio from the Return track perfectly.

SO: to recap: in order to escape the computer and move = all interaction to physical controllers, I want to create a pushbutton solu= tion to govern certain parameters normally governed by CControls. That is n= ot possible with standard MIDI learn in the host; it is partially possible = with Clip Envelopes, but they are relative in nature and will fall apart qu= ickly during use; and it is completely doable with Echoloop in a MIDI track= , and using MIDI Clip Envelopes, which are absolute in nature and allow exa= ctly the kind of control I seek. The challenge now is getting Echoloop to h= ear audio while sitting in such a MIDI track. This is impossible on its fac= e, as Echoloop is invisible to "Audio To" menus when sitting in a= MIDI track. But, Mobius IS visible to "Audio To" menus when sitt= ing in a MIDI track, and could pass audio along to Echoloop if it were next= in the chain. However, Mobius does not seem to hear any audio directed to = it from other "Audio To" menus.

So... how to get audio to Mobius in a MIDI track ?

No mention of this case in Mobius manual or onl= ine. Genuine esoterica here :D

On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 6:31 AM, Per Bo= ysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Phil C= levenger
<phil.clev= enger@gmail.com> wrote:
> I guess my next step is to see if I can feed audio THROUGH Mobius, or = similar, to Echoloop in that channel ! Will post results.


Fun, getting dirty now. Make sure to activate Monitor Audio Input in<= br> Mobius "Configuration/Global Parameters" and you should be able t= o
play right through it. And hey - maybe you can take away Mobius once
you've used it to trick Live? (and still keep the virtual audio path)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen



--f46d042a0d6798e6d004c5d62d88-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 27 21:22:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C8AD183460; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 21:22:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=sSq+Q6Luaz/GL1SU5ghq8RsTjzKjBX5aKd15KANVDxQ=; b=LWD89KX8+oT23JGfWHFpBfnQpOdglVEQKmLCvuDhGLNp4KfX/Sep4WXzdLwbJbnlbL 4C8WevhbspkVz/Fk6fwFmvmI8ap3Tih/MIt54lmfFZMv+zgIkDwi4nwWblCXEom6Zunj cuSD/WCo1JqqzcKzvBx8HZrpa82lAVG/CuPPg45HqszBM2xP3jbO8Eb6oC5Dhv1jGXSL x/ERIGzduy15GoOBFlsYjiWljxRS0VFnimZqpYX99Mk6dhgIAtvtvYVbW3tI3zi3HyGN 4ggzGmUOnhEDs2iseV44s840MOcKVtvTqGgX072UaJNvSvpv8JSYxS/ysjTsG04yvGih e48w== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <16BF5171-FE7D-4BC1-A199-5398CD597BA9@gmail.com> <50138855-5C29-49F5-8574-AC67F89C88CC@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 23:22:21 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Switching Echoloop VST Params Using Ableton Dummy Clips From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 21:22:22 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 10:39 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > True: Return tracks (indeed any "Audio To" menu) can see the MIDI track when > Mobius is in it. The "Audio To" menu now contains 3 options: Left In 2 - > Mobius 2; Left In 3 - Mobius 2; and Left In 4 - Mobius 2. > > Regardless of which is selected in the Return track's "Audio To" menu, the > Mobius instance in my MIDI track does not receive audio. Ouch. I didn't check that it is actually working, I only checked that the path was displayed from the Return Track's "Audio To" slot. Oh well... sorry about the incorrect information - at least we all got a little more knowledgeable now. > I tested the same config in an Audio track, and Mobius receieves audio from > the Return track perfectly. Hurray - you have proved that an Audio Track is better for audio than a MIDI Track!!! :-) Another good-to-know thing in Live. > SO: to recap: in order to escape the computer and move all interaction to > physical controllers, I want to create a pushbutton solution to govern > certain parameters normally governed by CControls. That is not possible with > standard MIDI learn in the host; Hey - I used lots of pushbuttons back in January when doing a gig with Live! You just click the MIDI Map Mode Switch (in Live), push your external pushbutton, click the target function in Live (or a hosted plugin) and watch the incoming MIDI event getting listed with the binding in the Mapping Browser. Now, I guess that you have not discovered that you can set an off value as well as an on value for pushbuttons. At the bottom row you are also able to change the type of CC# functionality (incremental etc) but that's another story. > > So... how to get audio to Mobius in a MIDI track ? Why not take the completely opposite approach: slap the looper on an Audio Track and try finding out how to get MIDI to it? I'm interested in your research because myself I gave up on Echoloop and went with Mobius instead for Ableton Live (because I had a deadline). The nice thing with Mobius is that it allows you to set, IN THE PLUGIN, what MIDI port it shall listen to and you won't ever have to bother with Live at all. Just set up the MIDI bindings in the looper and stay away from any of these confusing signal routing workarounds of Ableton's. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 27 21:42:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DB0518345E; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 21:42:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=DKR7xcAc7heV3p1H1omwRa9JlBaIZtGr+Br25y8+bn4=; b=jiiacLCdG7Ef8uVpb8BfG26XyG7EWj1rF3NvKBi3taFru6T7slteVZGlcdhbD+n2mp RNm3GgDgcM2jTwCj3aTgjSefjzAne3dQIW/z/Djv50k8o6kCCv6m8S9chrIIFaIJ9Uvm Y5956ueg5UcgcFqFXb536/5y+KXYjy3kRci4DrsAfOL8rsDI3yhlDpZd4zeYyrHWA3kf P418ia5n5xcaOH3YJFYxR/6rRhaxEqOZrAaOHWl7sfQB3iu+jauLeOK3/Rvo5+4U6MNU igg4duI25BimRPzhEpT6E/mUyHZCITJQohl0XNE1vs0AuoieFIFiapuulxPSbE2plEe8 M6cw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <16BF5171-FE7D-4BC1-A199-5398CD597BA9@gmail.com> <50138855-5C29-49F5-8574-AC67F89C88CC@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 14:42:44 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Switching Echoloop VST Params Using Ableton Dummy Clips From: Phil Clevenger To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54b49d6a6009204c5d6979f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 21:42:46 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec54b49d6a6009204c5d6979f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I am thinking I may spend the day exploring Mobius :) Thanks for your help I think we've gone as far as we can go here ! For clarity though, re: <<>> Yes that is easy and obvious in Ableton. My problem is that I want many buttons governing a single CC control: For instance - the Quantize menu in Echoloop has four options: Off, Loop, Cycle, and Subcycle. I want one button to always activate Loop; and one to always activate Cycle. I can do the first, by mapping my button to the Quantize CC, and setting Min and Max to same, correct, value. The challenge is now wanting another button to hit that same CC with a different min/max value. Ableton will not allow this. For a four-slot CC like this, it is not so much of a problem, as one can easily map to a knob or fader. But, apply this same scenario to the Subcycles control in Echoloop: a continuous range of 0-127; within that range there are only a few useful settings to me right now: 2, 4, 8, 16, 32. Try hitting those on a fader or knob, in a dark room on a tiny computer screen ! Five buttons... it's all I need... ;) Never satisfied but mostly happy, Phil :) On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 10:39 PM, Phil Clevenger > wrote: > > True: Return tracks (indeed any "Audio To" menu) can see the MIDI track > when > > Mobius is in it. The "Audio To" menu now contains 3 options: Left In 2 - > > Mobius 2; Left In 3 - Mobius 2; and Left In 4 - Mobius 2. > > > > Regardless of which is selected in the Return track's "Audio To" menu, > the > > Mobius instance in my MIDI track does not receive audio. > > > Ouch. I didn't check that it is actually working, I only checked that > the path was displayed from the Return Track's "Audio To" slot. Oh > well... sorry about the incorrect information - at least we all got a > little more knowledgeable now. > > > > I tested the same config in an Audio track, and Mobius receieves audio > from > > the Return track perfectly. > > > Hurray - you have proved that an Audio Track is better for audio than > a MIDI Track!!! :-) Another good-to-know thing in Live. > > > > SO: to recap: in order to escape the computer and move all interaction to > > physical controllers, I want to create a pushbutton solution to govern > > certain parameters normally governed by CControls. That is not possible > with > > standard MIDI learn in the host; > > > Hey - I used lots of pushbuttons back in January when doing a gig with > Live! You just click the MIDI Map Mode Switch (in Live), push your > external pushbutton, click the target function in Live (or a hosted > plugin) and watch the incoming MIDI event getting listed with the > binding in the Mapping Browser. Now, I guess that you have not > discovered that you can set an off value as well as an on value for > pushbuttons. At the bottom row you are also able to change the type of > CC# functionality (incremental etc) but that's another story. > > > > > > So... how to get audio to Mobius in a MIDI track ? > > Why not take the completely opposite approach: slap the looper on an > Audio Track and try finding out how to get MIDI to it? > > I'm interested in your research because myself I gave up on Echoloop > and went with Mobius instead for Ableton Live (because I had a > deadline). The nice thing with Mobius is that it allows you to set, IN > THE PLUGIN, what MIDI port it shall listen to and you won't ever have > to bother with Live at all. Just set up the MIDI bindings in the > looper and stay away from any of these confusing signal routing > workarounds of Ableton's. > > Per > > --bcaec54b49d6a6009204c5d6979f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am thinking I may spend the day exploring Mobius :)

Th= anks for your help I think we've gone as far as we can go here !
<= div>
For clarity though, re:=A0

<<<Hey - I used lots of pushbut= tons back in January when doing a gig with
Live! You just click the MIDI Map Mo= de Switch (in Live), push your
external pushbutton, click the targe= t function in Live (or a hosted
plugin) and watch the incoming MIDI = event getting listed with the
binding in the Mapping Browser. Now,= I guess that you have not
discovered that you can set an off v= alue as well as an on value for
pushbuttons. At the bottom row you a= re also able to change the type of
CC# functionality (incremental etc) = but that's another story.>>>

Yes th= at is easy and obvious in Ableton. My problem is that I want many buttons g= overning a single CC control:

For in= stance - the =A0Quantize menu in Echoloop has four options: Off, Loop, Cycl= e, and Subcycle. I want one button to always activate Loop; and one to alwa= ys activate Cycle. I can do the first, by mapping my button to the Quantize= CC, and setting Min and Max to same, correct, value. The challenge is now = wanting another button to hit that same CC with a different min/max value. = Ableton will not allow this.

For a four-slot CC li= ke this, it is not so much of a problem, as one can easily map to a knob or= fader. But, apply this same scenario to the Subcycles control in Echoloop:= a continuous range of 0-127; within that range there are only a few useful= settings to me right now: 2, 4, 8, 16, 32. Try hitting those on a fader or= knob, in a dark room on a tiny computer screen ! =A0Five buttons... it'= ;s all I need... ;)

Never satisfied but m= ostly happy,

Phil := )

<= /font>


On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Per Boysen <= perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
Ouch. I didn't check that it is actually working, I only checked = that
the path was displayed from the Return Track's "Audio To" slo= t. Oh
well... sorry about the incorrect information - at least we all got a
little more =A0knowledgeable now.


> I tested the same config in an Audio track, and Mobius receieves audio= from
> the Return track perfectly.


Hurray - you have proved that an Audio Track is better for audio than=
a MIDI Track!!! =A0:-) =A0Another good-to-know thing in Live.


> SO: to recap: in order to escape the computer and move all interaction= to
> physical controllers, I want to create a pushbutton solution to govern=
> certain parameters normally governed by CControls. That is not possibl= e with
> standard MIDI learn in the host;


Hey - I used lots of pushbuttons back in January when doing a gig wit= h
Live! You just click the MIDI Map Mode Switch (in Live), push your
external pushbutton, click the target function in Live (or a hosted
plugin) and watch the incoming MIDI event getting listed with the
binding in the Mapping Browser. Now, I guess that you have not
discovered that you can set an off value as well as an on value for
pushbuttons. At the bottom row you are also able to change the type of
CC# functionality (incremental etc) but that's another story.


>
> So... how to get audio to Mobius in a MIDI track ?

Why not take the completely opposite approach: slap the looper on an<= br> Audio Track and try finding out how to get MIDI to it?

I'm interested in your research because myself I gave up on Echoloop and went with Mobius instead for Ableton Live (because I had a
deadline). The nice thing with Mobius is that it allows you to set, IN
THE PLUGIN, what MIDI port it shall listen to =A0and you won't ever hav= e
to bother with Live at all. Just set up the MIDI bindings in the
looper and stay away from any of these confusing signal routing
workarounds of Ableton's.

Per


--bcaec54b49d6a6009204c5d6979f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 27 21:46:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 374F318345D; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 21:46:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=/oyMWTFKOvrudBOblwduD0cUeTnMNTzSnooyONk8nSc=; b=Vn/cipmnQYyoMzYH6MkApe/vzUAspkYIzK6Vcxf6j0Ip/uqOjlEs64fW71n1pVrVG3 irF3UjoHUYOHWQvQ2Pj4Pzd2iwkHnpbBswjxKIfu9RahTfWTIX7EC+nXDSnVkAMp+/jB krOGFUKEY9t4zZsTwSFsaj3XbdTn1wcWfCL4nzMbbofNcTggXvwB4hAUYGR/4qdhfSpa Iiolmlbj0Em6+QVrIZawRQx8uDEO+79oCkMlIcxQKBKTnL6IhuBQsTEDy/LwtAymiYC8 a/GSesbQG8phytwOMGr+cnMRxAfCEqBK5hdVLdSa43KIq9FrzvQD1hT95zBQ8lhIePji oN/A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <5012E657.4080102@tiscali.co.uk> References: <3FD38B63-2B63-45D5-9806-4CDCA854A0B4@gmail.com> <5012E657.4080102@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 23:45:40 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: lQTMwYxwe18C6mJGA9XXk-HiGWA Message-ID: Subject: Re: Echoloop Presets? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b343ee65545ba04c5d6a396 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 21:46:02 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b343ee65545ba04c5d6a396 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 9:04 PM, andy butler wrote: it's just like any other VST plugin, using standard VST presets. (just with the addition of recall via ProgCh). > > Whaddyamean the addition of recall via ProgCh? As for using VST presets .. you mean that to select "Presets" within Echoloop I should save them as VST presets (think I know how to do that in Mulch) and then recall THEM.. Damn... Im not using my foot controller to do ANY things to Mulch... I guess I could... Id rather skip that and ProgCh the plugin... is that what you mean??? So how? (sitting in new house with no foot pedal or guitar handy... so... this is a theoretical issue right now... ) -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --047d7b343ee65545ba04c5d6a396 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 9:04 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk= > wrote:
it's just like any other VST plugin, using st= andard VST presets.

(just with the addition of recall via ProgCh).


Whaddyamean the addition of recall via ProgC= h?

As for using VST presets .. you mean that to select "Presets= " within Echoloop I should save them as VST presets (think I know how = to do that in Mulch) and then recall THEM.. Damn... Im not using my foot co= ntroller to do ANY things to Mulch... I guess I could... Id rather skip tha= t and ProgCh the plugin... is that what you mean???
So how?

(sitting in new house with no foot pedal or guitar handy...= so... this is a theoretical issue right now... )


= --
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--047d7b343ee65545ba04c5d6a396-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 27 21:57:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88E8D18345D; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 21:57:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=46l+aounXqwb2HvVea2p/Oh4mWWjFmvr2u2zXS/jxkQ=; b=RGgOi9Lv0cXAPksDeDL9r1L+G173zTHwaebn4OczrZq1VkJbxQY8xkql6sgRZwyYjz 3Ecku6QtU/XLXpPMtOBcdiIHhA5QDlayA/PZGVdSFCY+ktoq5rTJG6ASZj8cesoNUOcs BECJEz1Xyi8gFSawDL+luB2itE7TVf6QQuC08f+5VHWa1FWsG18SXsrzeOAz6AJKJI0j 5WYKDB2TurtXjo2U8+cFHUtCzyFg0EjlKCnVvprOr0223t/6mmlwhRVs0FPztgPp59np iW5157ZJ/WqYdWrJzix0R1RZ8g4fq0ZNqOf1ks8QVQ/HIarxAQmodSPJ90JCngveABK8 sFGA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <16BF5171-FE7D-4BC1-A199-5398CD597BA9@gmail.com> <50138855-5C29-49F5-8574-AC67F89C88CC@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 23:57:54 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Switching Echoloop VST Params Using Ableton Dummy Clips From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 21:57:55 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 11:42 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > Yes that is easy and obvious in Ableton. My problem is that I want many > buttons governing a single CC control: Ah, I see. That was one of the reasons I wanted to move over from Live to Mainstage: I too like to use many pushbuttons targeting the same plugin parameter. The typical example is a Tape Delay simulation plugin; I use two buttons to reach four alternative loop lengths. But Echoloop isn't available as an AU plugin, so I won't discuss Mainstage more in this thread. > For a four-slot CC like this, it is not so much of a problem, as one can > easily map to a knob or fader. But, apply this same scenario to the > Subcycles control in Echoloop: a continuous range of 0-127; within that > range there are only a few useful settings to me right now: 2, 4, 8, 16, 32. > Try hitting those on a fader or knob, in a dark room on a tiny computer > screen ! Five buttons... it's all I need... ;) The scripting option in Mobius makes all that super easy. I don't use programs at all (yet, but it is possible) but change all general setup parameters directly from buttons on my FaderFox MIDI mixer/buttonpad (or foot pedalboard). Anything you want to happen you can just type it into a text file, save it into the scripts folder, import that script into Mobius and them assign your MIDI event of choice to activate it. Just for an example, to change Subcycles for waltz looping I mocked up this script: !8ths Per Cycle 12 set 8thsPerCycle 12 set 8thsPerCycle $save8thsPerCycle Not very complicated. This only changes one thing, but one might as well have a script that changes hundreds of parameter values in one go. So, no need for programs really, as I see it. Good night for now Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 27 22:16:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF73B183462; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 22:16:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=mgwRswcP4c7wcETa1Gqc0AvMeNNgdZ2OMVwLKUq0VJQ=; b=K58Fxi+nCgQX6NkJz7lKq8nEDzTfNf1fXtADQypMvXaiuuWVVpSoP1xNn2/D5480RG 0/9TXi26mu/hNrFGcy+rZDQWQL5/8XUPAdVdlOQil3SOuF++1mWSYoU+pXy9DLNzRobx 5lR/hV8iAHneOwIGXkmddi72w5iBNR3YgvaoAu9IEx7YolbcAVI7adEM57qVPTMtQKcM OplM+yBypZteCQouw6qaHQGwsGIYY3x0nXrO82H3Vn/NHakO9PXtCpuVv9gE1XO/oyNg XXhsuI2falgZIvHprvzYZJQkxw8mGdROPQ3QIQe9ShgXxNJr0hSfT6Im7wj2p447Qoho fhLg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <16BF5171-FE7D-4BC1-A199-5398CD597BA9@gmail.com> <50138855-5C29-49F5-8574-AC67F89C88CC@gmail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 00:16:31 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: n5bZHnvs-geTdQ8AIhKsbm5xWFY Message-ID: Subject: Re: Switching Echoloop VST Params Using Ableton Dummy Clips To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b343ee6a3c16704c5d711b1 Resent-Message-ID: <7vEhXB.A.sfC.UNxEQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 22:16:52 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b343ee6a3c16704c5d711b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Can I just say that I wish there was a Per Boysen for Unity3D and javascript? Thank-you... and night night Mark --047d7b343ee6a3c16704c5d711b1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Can I just say that I wish there was a Per Boysen for Unity3D and javascript?

Thank-you... and night night

Mark
--047d7b343ee6a3c16704c5d711b1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 28 06:22:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51257183461; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 06:22:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_91b0e4bc-8a80-46f4-afae-54011367e034_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.53.10] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Echoloop Presets? Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 06:22:57 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <3FD38B63-2B63-45D5-9806-4CDCA854A0B4@gmail.com> <5012E657.4080102@tiscali.co.uk>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2012 06:22:57.0771 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E22DBB0:01CD6C89] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 06:22:59 +0000 (UTC) --_91b0e4bc-8a80-46f4-afae-54011367e034_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Phil=2CIf you need to have more than one CC message control one function= =2C maybe the midi CC router here could be of use?http://thepiz.org/plugins= /?p=3DpizmidiThese are very handy little plugins for general use anyway.. Peace G Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > Subject: Re: Echoloop Presets? > From: phil.clevenger@gmail.com > Date: Fri=2C 27 Jul 2012 12:43:02 -0700 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > True enough=2C but that said=2C I've not been able to succeed in Ableton = to recall Echoloop presets via Program Change=2C even though I have succeed= ed to save named presets for such recall. >=20 > My understanding is that these presets are attached to Program Changes 1 = thru 15. >=20 > The only method I've found in Ableton to approach that is by the Bank=2C = SubBank=2C and Program params in the Notes panel for any MIDI clip=2C but E= choloop does not respond to these as far as I can tell. >=20 > Phil :) >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Jul 27=2C 2012=2C at 12:04 PM=2C andy butler wrote: >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Phil Clevenger wrote: > >> Ahh sure Mark that's relatively easy :) > >=20 > > In this respect at least > > it's just like any other VST plugin=2C using standard VST presets. > >=20 > > (just with the addition of recall via ProgCh). > >=20 > > andy > >=20 >=20 = --_91b0e4bc-8a80-46f4-afae-54011367e034_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Phil=2C
If you need to have more than one CC message control o= ne function=2C maybe the midi CC router here could be of use?
http://th= epiz.org/plugins/?p=3Dpizmidi
These are very handy little plugins= for general use anyway..

Peace

G


Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

=
>=3B Subject: Re: Echoloop Pre= sets?
>=3B From: phil.clevenger@gmail.com
>=3B Date: Fri=2C 27 Ju= l 2012 12:43:02 -0700
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
= >=3B
>=3B True enough=2C but that said=2C I've not been able to suc= ceed in Ableton to recall Echoloop presets via Program Change=2C even thoug= h I have succeeded to save named presets for such recall.
>=3B
>= =3B My understanding is that these presets are attached to Program Changes = 1 thru 15.
>=3B
>=3B The only method I've found in Ableton to ap= proach that is by the Bank=2C SubBank=2C and Program params in the Notes pa= nel for any MIDI clip=2C but Echoloop does not respond to these as far as I= can tell.
>=3B
>=3B Phil :)
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B >=3B
>=3B On Jul 27=2C 2012=2C at 12:04 PM=2C andy butler wrote:>=3B
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B Phil Cleveng= er wrote:
>=3B >=3B>=3B Ahh sure Mark that's relatively easy :)>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B In this respect at least
>=3B >=3B = it's just like any other VST plugin=2C using standard VST presets.
>= =3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B (just with the addition of recall via ProgCh).=
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B andy
>=3B >=3B
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= --_91b0e4bc-8a80-46f4-afae-54011367e034_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 28 08:16:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8052B18345E; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 08:16:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1598502272==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120728081626.27373.36442.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 04:16:28 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: What can blind and visually impaired loopers do? Resent-Message-ID: <88KX4.A.JVG.i_5EQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 08:16:34 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============1598502272== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello!=20Correct=20me=20if=20I'm=20wrong,=20but=20I=20believe=20that=20my= =20friend=20Lizzie=20and=20I=20are=20the=20only=20blind=20 loopers.=20I=20like=20the=20sound=20of=20live=20looping,=20but=20I=20don't= =20really=20do=20it.=20I'm=20on=20this=20list=20because=20I=20loop=20 in=20the=20studio=20all=20the=20time,=20and=20you=20know=20what=20Kim=20sai= d,=20and=20what=20Violet=20says,=20about=20the=20list.=20But=20I=20like=20 live=20looping,=20and=20would=20like=20to=20try=20it.=20I=20have=20this=20f= eeling=20that=20a=20loop=20pedal=20is=20very=20visual,=20and=20there=20are= =20a=20 lot=20of=20visual=20cues.=20A=20JAWS=20screen=20reader=20may=20be=20able=20= to=20understand=20Ableton=20and=20Mobius.=20So,=20 what=20do=20you=20think=20of=20blind=20live=20looping?=20Anything=20that=20= may=20not=20be=20visual?=20While=20you=20come=20up=20with=20an=20answer,=20 we=20blind=20loopers,=20or=20"bloopers,"=20will=20keep=20studio=20looping. Tyler=20Z --===============1598502272==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 28 09:52:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D8AA18345C; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 09:52:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Ow34WHSbzXH1DLC8gXMolrTtsR+XnFdMdJnSjos8ycc=; b=ZZ9Riuz1guzM0Kj78Pdiec2YN5iarX8dDZ68C3n5oYBLzZzmFEYvbArkRWob+asnKI 0hI9v4fqN9vwnqJuKsaTtvfBK6afVMjIcJeKSdE4MOMqQXAy9jw8yJMvrbfv++uSRLfE Bg73ZPvv4jUbWnGSpRCHk6eWKTfAG1QSStStk2VI9dMIxaD030I6L0d/Hya0kuFQs3/U y3/DJCh5RjtC1K9eeV9fwjQKhPISKRYSHNOViuzDT0tqnyxn0GUMkdCEgYGUfNJ4MUjH dZD/5RfnXFTvlkKao1XX2/wLW7NB5kJ2kdcllAXQLUqY8ysN0xitcTPkKvs7ET3+6ewW C0aw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120728081626.27373.36442.levelstar.mail@everest> References: <20120728081626.27373.36442.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 11:52:36 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What can blind and visually impaired loopers do? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 09:52:38 +0000 (UTC) I use Mobius and practically never need to watch the screen. I totally loop with my feet, using a MIDI foot pedalboard. If you perform without shoes you can easily feel the kick pads with your feet and be in total control. A pedalboard with ten buttons will give you acces to the traditional EDP style looping (and more!) if you set it up for the ten actions: 1. Record, 2. Overdub, 3. Multiply, 4. Substitute, 5. Speed, 6. Reverse, 7. Previous Loop, 8. Next Loop, 9. Previous Track, 10. Next Track, > Hello! Correct me if I'm wrong, I think you are wrong and will now correct you. Long ago a blind keyboard player came out on this list. I don't remember his name (hey - maybe he is reading this? Feel free to chime in if so) but he is French and played for a while with Jon Hassell. I remember that because I like Hassell's music very much and it turned out I actually remembered this piano player from a concert Hassell did here in Stockholm around 1986 (he was using a very cool "freeze reverb" effect with his piano keyboard and I totally loved that sound). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Tyler wrote: > Hello! Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that my friend Lizzie and I are the only blind > loopers. I like the sound of live looping, but I don't really do it. I'm on this list because I loop > in the studio all the time, and you know what Kim said, and what Violet says, about the list. But I like > live looping, and would like to try it. I have this feeling that a loop pedal is very visual, and there are a > lot of visual cues. A JAWS screen reader may be able to understand Ableton and Mobius. So, > what do you think of blind live looping? Anything that may not be visual? While you come up with an answer, > we blind loopers, or "bloopers," will keep studio looping. > Tyler Z > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 28 09:54:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E58C18345D; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 09:54:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Z Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_17C1EE43-75CF-4775-B94E-0B63D2C6C2E0" Subject: Re: What can blind and visually impaired loopers do? Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 11:54:01 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20120728081626.27373.36442.levelstar.mail@everest> To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20120728081626.27373.36442.levelstar.mail@everest> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 09:54:04 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_17C1EE43-75CF-4775-B94E-0B63D2C6C2E0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hello, actually, I would like to believe that a good looper setup with a = well thought pedalboard ergonomy should do the trick. I am not blind, but I don't like loopers that rely on visual cues, they, = in my humble opinion don't work well when you improvise. I like to be = able to close my eyes and think about what I play, and travel deep into = it without cluttering my mind with visual diversions. Or just wander my = eyes elsewhere. We actually submitted an iOS app that mainly relies on pedalboard = ergonomy ( the loopr.net website gives a bit more info about our work ), = and the way I like to use it. It's still in review at Apple (has been 15 = days now=85) so it should come out soon. If you can have an iPod a MIDI = interface and a pedalboard lent to you, I can send you a copy as soon as = it's out for you to try. Otherwise you might want to find an old Lexicon = JamMan, thought it's probably technologically outdated, musically it's = great, after a bit of practice using a MIDI pedalboard you actually = don't need the screen or any visuals. Cheers, hope you can get to it soon, ;) z On 28 juil. 2012, at 10:16, Tyler wrote: > Hello! Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that my friend Lizzie = and I are the only blind=20 > loopers. I like the sound of live looping, but I don't really do it. = I'm on this list because I loop=20 > in the studio all the time, and you know what Kim said, and what = Violet says, about the list. But I like=20 > live looping, and would like to try it. I have this feeling that a = loop pedal is very visual, and there are a=20 > lot of visual cues. A JAWS screen reader may be able to understand = Ableton and Mobius. So,=20 > what do you think of blind live looping? Anything that may not be = visual? While you come up with an answer,=20 > we blind loopers, or "bloopers," will keep studio looping. > Tyler Z >=20 --Apple-Mail=_17C1EE43-75CF-4775-B94E-0B63D2C6C2E0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 loopr.net website gives a bit more = info about our work ), and the way I like to use it. It's still in = review at Apple (has been 15 days now=85) so it should come out soon. If = you can have an iPod a MIDI interface and a pedalboard lent to you, I = can send you a copy as soon as it's out for you to try. Otherwise you = might want to find an old Lexicon JamMan, thought it's probably = technologically outdated, musically it's great, after a bit of practice = using a MIDI pedalboard you actually don't need the screen or any = visuals.
Cheers, hope you can get to it = soon,
;)
z

On 28 juil. 2012, at 10:16, Tyler = wrote:

Hello! Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that my = friend Lizzie and I are the only blind
loopers. I like the sound of = live looping, but I don't really do it. I'm on this list because I loop =
in the studio all the time, and you know what Kim said, and what = Violet says, about the list. But I like
live looping, and would like = to try it. I have this feeling that a loop pedal is very visual, and = there are a
lot of visual cues. A JAWS screen reader may be able to = understand Ableton and Mobius. So,
what do you think of blind live = looping? Anything that may not be visual? While you come up with an = answer,
we blind loopers, or "bloopers," will keep studio = looping.
Tyler = Z


= --Apple-Mail=_17C1EE43-75CF-4775-B94E-0B63D2C6C2E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 28 11:43:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E123418345E; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 11:43:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 787652407/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.183.72/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.183.72 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAGjPE1BV0rdI/2dsb2JhbAANOIVxtxMBAQEDASMVQAYLCxoCBRYLAgIJAwIBAgFFHAGIA6VubpMUgSGNdYIKgRIDmxGNJQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,671,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="787652407" Message-ID: <5013D061.7030704@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 12:43:29 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Switching Echoloop VST Params Using Ableton Dummy Clips References: <16BF5171-FE7D-4BC1-A199-5398CD597BA9@gmail.com> <50138855-5C29-49F5-8574-AC67F89C88CC@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 11:43:06 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > Why not take the completely opposite approach: slap the looper on an > Audio Track and try finding out how to get MIDI to it? yep, that way always worked for me. The problem with Ableton is perhaps it has features that raise a certain expectation in the user. The *only* feature that's required is "just route my midi controller to the audio plugin". That's what Echoloop is designed for. > The nice thing with Mobius is that it allows you to set, IN > THE PLUGIN, what MIDI port it shall listen to A similar workaround for would be to run Plogue Bidule as a VST plugin(requires registration) and use that as a 'wrapper' for Echoloop. Basically this whole midi routing thing is a real issue with many VST hosts. Many host developers believe that it isn't necessary to feed midi direct to a plugin because......... andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 28 11:50:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F287183461; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 11:50:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=h5nggRgymr3SRKeoBYzME8fybpuxgmFBfgaEblshZgc=; b=0oVwlQovPw4RVuDuCAAFn4iKXsfh+Eb12TdOizI9SSv9YxlPzWprJJ2DR3crwZmylL vS6YNrK2QYpTZK+C8ZTZUM8twLRXAwOjPOuWn7Pi6upS09WZYKklC77qJ6AbYNtP6cZF E6lk3hthODOSIGsUJEaQiBlxdgyMURgYXoLRjC6zj2fPM7WdwrAWPbJTjxwMjdhlMoTH fMVvc0/NBo8xgrBzwYKTb+LB9bscOAbdEoBsl8qzBQ0S2DAA8aUsGCrwTY9mzpI3iYRX bi+MjTnawTBYUYxw8KJMP6XwviOMrlro7w2aqveibhfpT2qnv3YqUGT+dSHpvpJzp7Zd 4FyQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 13:50:49 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Full album stream of Sub City 2064 From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 11:50:50 +0000 (UTC) Hi loopers, Erdem and I decided to make a full album stream available at SoundCloud. All 10 tracks in an hour long sweet stream. http://soundcloud.com/pboy/sub-city-2064-album-stream All album tracks here mashed into one long sound file, just for the reason of easier maintenance. Hope some folks still will enjoy the noise we made two years ago :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 28 11:59:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51A24183462; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 11:59:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XZpRG/vZgVChNDn3LuGgzS8Sa31+gKzjUIBIyIMA8nI=; b=K780eT//L0GZ+wAskpyOOAy+Y9SIC9005E1KbARWIOERBA2M72CM/6OAb/RcIIVNVs vX0UMUnODfBr6RijmXztNx0Ll3zFScXhhs7VE2MFw8h36yXLS1SKszxHCXSoXbG/x1ul LXAgM0CWe+/3xnAy40sjD/kwLXcOCVWmlgYG/uSZPcrEKgvW4V5mXpXAX3bGNM9BzOat Z9aaDuCCmhLUDsJMEzD9T2RmcskLFiKw91sBqQdZp+ONXrLv/hLxZz7KQpQOH2UQYO3x IJB1l8D2YRJh43+LQCxzyfTSEH7J/cRNGpOcihlTgo/yBdsBYf+CojBsARlV9oGR3iTG nnEA== Message-ID: <5013D428.7050809@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 13:59:36 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New live looping video finally! References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 11:59:40 +0000 (UTC) > > > It's been quite a few weeks since I've touched my keyboard. But > finally got around to it. This isnt 100% improvised because od me > wanting to maintain the same musical idea throughout the 10-15 tries > it took to record one i liked. Let me know what you guys think! Thanks > :) Link below > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__aRoZ_6JkE&feature=youtube_gdata_player > > The following comments are not meant as a critizism of what you do in the video, rather than as thoughts about a possible different approach technically for this form of looping: 1. If you're using loops of MIDI-enabled instruments (which, to me, seems to be the case in all of your sound sources here), there's always the two possibilities of audio vs. MIDI lopping . The former is the only thing which allows you to get the reverse effect, and to properly "cut audio in pieces" (both of which you don't seem to do that much in your music. The latter has the advantage that even with a rather simple system setup, you can have full multitracking and change sounds of an already recorded loop in a radical fashion. And also get a "proper" speed change (i.e. without the need of using complex timestretch algorithms). I would suggest you have a look at the possibility of working with MIDI loops (Ableton Live is rather strong in that department) and see how this works for you. (self-marketing nota bene: when I had started to work with a computer in my loop stuff and was still using a lot of synth/computer drum voices, I would usually record acoustic instruments in Möbius hosted in Live, and loop MIDI stuff with MIDI clips directly in live. Examples on the Weird Specialist album http://moinlabs.de/index.php?id=273) 2. Synthesizers often sound less lively in comparison to "proper" instruments. One way to work around that when working with loops is to add time-variant processing to the loop output which is not in sync with the loop length. E.g. use a kind of filter thing modulated by an LFO, the period of which is 5/4 of the loop length - voila. This works both with audio and MIDI loops. You can also do that by affecting parameters of the synth (if using MIDI loops), and if working with e.g. Live use a MIDI clip of different length to control them. Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 28 13:05:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9903F18345E; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 13:05:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=9iroITTQ1KAr67wSV7cpI2f3kVc3gA6nv0ScVXWqWeU=; b=y3gxqSiqpw8EtI/zwtY3KEiELL2Tm4MJv+CNRXUCUPvcCG89VsnKJR84bdmXkxOWX+ Xw4W1Rsg02eh/kSlFjNvZzijU+kM+gTVetDSXxw66RKf0PL+288cXCba76wrhNOC4vcP UXXoq2DiM5Q7jkccX5h7KGigsvkZYtms8A1bDuP8KUn5GptIzQFg4I0I7SMMteFcOk5a s+SE9HUZvesrVLlY2EH9F3wa/jAw+IPsPAmHRqrr2q0mo/6iHAj8LB0lR1IEhCJ192h1 oT6Buk3XAube2RtwcVZiVyMzAakizl2A4XKPWeXoLWaDP6AEuVp0OCXNvTthXFeeFh9y SpPQ== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Switching Echoloop VST Params Using Ableton Dummy Clips From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: <5013D061.7030704@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 06:05:20 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9FCA7A96-3BA4-47D6-92CA-8746D19171D1@gmail.com> References: <16BF5171-FE7D-4BC1-A199-5398CD597BA9@gmail.com> <50138855-5C29-49F5-8574-AC67F89C88CC@gmail.com> <5013D061.7030704@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 13:05:25 +0000 (UTC) > The *only* feature that's required is "just route my midi > controller to the audio plugin". >=20 Andy, if only this were true ! I do indeed have Midi being routed direct to the VST, that's easy peasy = and Bob is indeed my auntie's husband :D=20 But, there is no direct midi command to set Subcycles to 16, or to set = Insert to Stutter, for instance.=20 If I am missing something do let me know as I have torn out *almost* all = my hair over this one ;) Best, Phil :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 28 14:48:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6E0F18345E; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 14:48:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 796381932/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.183.72/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.183.72 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAFf7E1BV0rdI/2dsb2JhbAANOL0DAQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRQYBFQEarVKTWpIyA5sRjSU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,672,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="796381932" Message-ID: <5013FBCB.1020207@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 15:48:43 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Switching Echoloop VST Params Using Ableton Dummy Clips References: <16BF5171-FE7D-4BC1-A199-5398CD597BA9@gmail.com> <50138855-5C29-49F5-8574-AC67F89C88CC@gmail.com> <5013D061.7030704@tiscali.co.uk> <9FCA7A96-3BA4-47D6-92CA-8746D19171D1@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9FCA7A96-3BA4-47D6-92CA-8746D19171D1@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 14:48:21 +0000 (UTC) Phil Clevenger wrote: >> The *only* feature that's required is "just route my midi >> controller to the audio plugin". >> > > Andy, if only this were true ! > It *does* change vst preset when it gets ProgCh. I have the Subcycle numbers flipping about as I type. and Yes, it does that in Ableton, the only strangeness being that Ableton insists on changing the Midi Channel to 1 when it forwards to the plugin. Apart from this glitch with the note-On, I get the behaviour I always had:- Link up my usual EDP midi controller to computer. Follow my Ableton Howto. Echoloop responds just like an EDP. Currently I'm having a problem with the windows version which needs fixing though ;-( Anyone who got the latest win version may find it not responding to Note-On at all. (trying to be too quick editing out mac specific code) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 28 14:54:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13957183455; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 14:54:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 787685599/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.183.72/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.183.72 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmcEAPr7E1BV0rdI/2dsb2JhbAANOI1oqmYEBIQtAQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBrWyTWo8WgxwDmxGNJQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,672,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="787685599" Message-ID: <5013FD20.3020002@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 15:54:24 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New live looping video finally! References: <5013D428.7050809@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <5013D428.7050809@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0HQakC.A.KUB.S0_EQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 14:54:11 +0000 (UTC) Rainer Straschill wrote: >>MIDI lopping . Is there a midi looper that doesn't quantise at all? That doesn't need a click to get the first loop right? andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 28 15:19:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D224718345B; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 15:19:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 800181580/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.183.72/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.183.72 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: At8BABwCFFBV0rdI/2dsb2JhbAANOLdfhSYBAQQ4QBEsFg8JAwIBAgFFBgEVAYgUpV+TVZIyA5sRhTyHaQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,672,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="800181580" Message-ID: <50140310.9080109@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 16:19:44 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Matthias Grob Subject: Latest Echoloop for PC was Re: Switching Echoloop VST Params References: <16BF5171-FE7D-4BC1-A199-5398CD597BA9@gmail.com> <50138855-5C29-49F5-8574-AC67F89C88CC@gmail.com> <5013D061.7030704@tiscali.co.uk> <9FCA7A96-3BA4-47D6-92CA-8746D19171D1@gmail.com> <5013FBCB.1020207@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5013FBCB.1020207@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4DACE.A.JiB.5LAFQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 15:19:22 +0000 (UTC) Anyone using Echoloop on pc please download this (even if you already got a file of this name) http://www.andybutler.com/mathons/EcholoopPCv430.zip The latest Echoloop vers. ...and instructions howto run it in Live, which works in all respects( for mac also) previous upload had an error in th midi responnse. andy Mathons From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 28 15:26:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74E7218345D; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 15:26:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gpYSBQ2PUy/a6iHqzFB0k5dw12bSPKoVIAwgPeZdq+o=; b=RC+wFDG0+8qPywsZQrPlzziFfnlGV/0Zg5oNPiTSYMRssmMFqnIiGBh17bej4pdfVQ LaKMPi3pTzQB3/B8zzUnY2gJVAHFom9zbrOpECq7XxN0DMVilYA4Jfgv+LWTD8cOZaOi pWKZ1VyAk3Yg3jLheib3rxie2hBA5sSe9Y7biGeGoPiwg9CmQbD4WFGbeuEGqwVbzHli M6s919otgBDA02VLPdLED8bxkQkUtWYNJlpIeRLy6ImcHOEO/oCzt9pz1T0YghAeTVZo UNK3qiK8pX17lwFX+oRd7FBlLTJEhnzROmn94SBN/rXKGWXGOExvmbLvez8ddUzafxHU 9ZrA== Message-ID: <50140485.2000909@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 17:25:57 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New live looping video finally! References: <5013D428.7050809@googlemail.com> <5013FD20.3020002@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5013FD20.3020002@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 15:26:03 +0000 (UTC) andy butler schrieb: > Rainer Straschill wrote: >>> MIDI lopping . > Is there a midi looper that doesn't quantise at all? > That doesn't need a click to get the first loop right? First question: "not at all" is not true for any kind of sequencer, but most allow to have the quantization as fine as their MIDI timebase (which is usually something like 480 or 960 divisions per quarter?). That being said, Ableton Live (which I gave as an example) allows you to turn quantize off. Second question: well...there was a thing called Musicbox (80s ANSI-graphics "kinda-free" PC program) which had a sequencer module which (if I remember correctly) allowed you to do just this (nota bene: this software was some kind of a modular environment for generating and processing MIDI): the sequencer recorded events in a timebase relative to the sequencer start and with that, it should be possible. Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 28 16:12:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18858183461; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 16:12:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <50140F4E.3070605@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 12:11:58 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #799 for July 26, 2012. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 16:12:01 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels?playlist_date=07-26-2012 Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #799 July 26, 2012. WDIY Playlist: http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels?playlist_date=07-26-2012 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Radio Massacre International. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Lost in Transit 3 - Damo" on Northern Echo. PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Shane Morris and Triassic Extinction Epoch (Lotuspike) Mystified R. O. Berger Reveille The Euston Sampler (none) R. O. Berger In a Rush The Euston Sampler (none) Steve Dinsdale Part 3 The Vast Key (Northern Echo) Pragate Cork on the Waves The WorldAbove Us (none) Seren Ffordd + Entangled The Matian Chronicles (Hypnos) Oophoi Symmetries Radio Massacre Part 1 Lost in Transit 4 - Damo International (Northern Echo) Radio Massacre Part 2 Lost in Transit 4 - Damo International (Northern Echo) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Radio Massacre Part 3 Lost in Transit 4 - Damo International (Northern Echo) Radio Massacre Part 4 Lost in Transit 4 - Damo International (Northern Echo) Radio Massacre Part 5 Lost in Transit 4 - Damo International (Northern Echo) Radio Massacre Part 6 Lost in Transit 4 - Damo International (Northern Echo) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on The Tangent Project. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Return." Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 28 16:25:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFF2D18345E; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 16:25:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <23AD50A9-AE0C-4E08-B669-74E4B8A80690@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-23-113330929 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: What can blind and visually impaired loopers do? Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 09:25:50 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 16:25:58 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-23-113330929 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The guy Per is mentioning is Jean Philippe Rykiel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Philippe_Rykiel the great french pianist and composer. he was trying to find a new Repeater or a new solution for his Repeater which was great unit for him because it was so big and had large tactile buttons and sliders. Someone was trying to convince him that some kind of large pad surface controller with a software looper, might be a solution. Not sure how that turned out for him, he didn't stick around that long. , I followed up with Jean for a while, I even arranged for Bernard Wagner to go meet with him and help him get his new tech together but I'm not sure that ever transpired. A great guy and wonderful musician. He has played with and produced many of the top west african musicians in the world. Any of the current hardware pedal loopers I believe would offer you enough tactile feel that you could get around, it all depends on how advanced you want to go. per's solution is very good as long as you have someone to help you get your templates and commands together. Bill --Apple-Mail-23-113330929 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The &n= bsp;guy Per is mentioning is Jean Philippe Rykiel http://en.wikip= edia.org/wiki/Jean-Philippe_Rykiel the great french pianist and = composer. he was trying to find a new Repeater or a new solution for his = Repeater which was great unit for him because it was so big and had = large tactile buttons and sliders.  Someone was trying to convince = him that some kind of large pad surface controller with a software = looper, might be a solution. Not sure how that turned out for him, he = didn't stick around that long. , I followed up with Jean for a while, I = even arranged for Bernard Wagner to go meet with him and help him get = his new tech together but I'm not sure that ever transpired. A great guy = and wonderful musician. He has played with and produced many of the top = west african musicians in the world. Any of the = current hardware pedal loopers I believe would offer you = enough tactile feel that you could get around, it all depends on how = advanced you want to go. per's solution is very good as long as you have = someone to help you get your templates and commands =  together.
 Bill
= --Apple-Mail-23-113330929-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 28 18:51:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49983183461; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 18:51:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=yaoe1ojpF8ztr2JHlYNi2Dabioa3aY6hM/8do/Haxjo=; b=Y027H6CLqKJ1fQrS6qOSU+DP9QNST3fIW4c5PX9XlgGg+SgDTuVwakKvbNGaj+Lv/s ncy19/fSbhOWqMd+xc2aF07P562GepYK5LURaXjbgkHeHaPlgqPPB4v4BcQvlR5LJOKf wWJK2LVfwmAQm8wXaxl2woTKoP7t8cozh1GQMi7E4Q8Rii+Ug3qye5OUzqqdGYxToeH3 SrwBqxCV9BeKV0Gt51tZs2jqZ4Md4HL6IjHlhkjnxC3JYx1bQQTKBtH9ZoOIWkD+468B fSQx6bIIp4TbOFCdH3t0hc+o/tPr7wJy4BVe1FuxAN1/MVcqocgZwGTLPOBN17PAirEC lw8A== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <23AD50A9-AE0C-4E08-B669-74E4B8A80690@baymoon.com> References: <23AD50A9-AE0C-4E08-B669-74E4B8A80690@baymoon.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 13:51:34 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What can blind and visually impaired loopers do? From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 18:51:36 +0000 (UTC) Perhaps you could use a WiiRemote as a method of controlling any looping audio interface or VST/AU. This could be achieved in Pure Data or Max/MSP. The WiiRemote could provide tactile feedback through the vibration function, perhaps providing tactile cues for loop points. I could perhaps build one for you to try in Max for Live/Ableton. Ricky On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 11:25 AM, William Walker wrote: > The guy Per is mentioning is Jean Philippe Rykiel > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Philippe_Rykiel the great french pianist > and composer. he was trying to find a new Repeater or a new solution for his > Repeater which was great unit for him because it was so big and had large > tactile buttons and sliders. Someone was trying to convince him that some > kind of large pad surface controller with a software looper, might be a > solution. Not sure how that turned out for him, he didn't stick around that > long. , I followed up with Jean for a while, I even arranged for Bernard > Wagner to go meet with him and help him get his new tech together but I'm > not sure that ever transpired. A great guy and wonderful musician. He has > played with and produced many of the top west african musicians in the > world. Any of the current hardware pedal loopers I believe would offer you > enough tactile feel that you could get around, it all depends on how > advanced you want to go. per's solution is very good as long as you have > someone to help you get your templates and commands together. > Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 28 19:00:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE21D18345E; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 19:00:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=vO5px/6eDNWHcmIIS13rTX7dJFf/VSVWv/KSyzCQNAI=; b=Bx+oe7qLTcAvMCqckBU33BqwZ6AVARPwJ0QP7e6RKWLZyGcWy8hgMn/IsNrFM+MjAu sQaryoDMwE1vmTixuQfjtwBvpmGJTgbTu6WW/ApgBmxm4jBBe2vsH4IPlXSA/Oreg0y6 JM+nx1tj+P2uEH1R7j2d/K5pH36BOhvFF8Qbl2wsgiwored+u2Dbozy36nQmo+CrqhW+ wqLuLzOnjjXC1gq1gOpJ10tBwuE7NkjEjDp+GjGnwtj7rE04Z4v8gIygO6uFfbIwbZqr JjLNd/3M+btSHUpx4uEmyIOgJH2fA7uzCdrqMGaxLfkGfsXryYC+F6Tg6tKtn+PFYe7i xYBA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5013D428.7050809@googlemail.com> References: <5013D428.7050809@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 12:00:48 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New live looping video finally! From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043c7f7459b48904c5e87209 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 19:00:49 +0000 (UTC) --f46d043c7f7459b48904c5e87209 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm not sure I know what you mean. I'm a bit confused to be honest. On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 4:59 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > >> >> It's been quite a few weeks since I've touched my keyboard. But finally >> got around to it. This isnt 100% improvised because od me wanting to >> maintain the same musical idea throughout the 10-15 tries it took to rec= ord >> one i liked. Let me know what you guys think! Thanks :) Link below >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=3D__aRoZ_6JkE&feature=3Dyoutube_** >> gdata_player< >> https://www.youtube.com/**watch?v=3D__aRoZ_6JkE&feature=3D** >> youtube_gdata_player >> > >> >> The following comments are not meant as a critizism of what you do in > the video, rather than as thoughts about a possible different approach > technically for this form of looping: > > 1. If you're using loops of MIDI-enabled instruments (which, to me, seems > to be the case in all of your sound sources here), there's always the two > possibilities of audio vs. MIDI lopping . The former is the only thing > which allows you to get the reverse effect, and to properly "cut audio in > pieces" (both of which you don't seem to do that much in your music. The > latter has the advantage that even with a rather simple system setup, you > can have full multitracking and change sounds of an already recorded loop > in a radical fashion. And also get a "proper" speed change (i.e. without > the need of using complex timestretch algorithms). > > I would suggest you have a look at the possibility of working with MIDI > loops (Ableton Live is rather strong in that department) and see how this > works for you. > (self-marketing nota bene: when I had started to work with a computer in > my loop stuff and was still using a lot of synth/computer drum voices, I > would usually record acoustic instruments in M=F6bius hosted in Live, and > loop MIDI stuff with MIDI clips directly in live. Examples on the Weird > Specialist album http://moinlabs.de/index.php?**id=3D273 > ) > > 2. Synthesizers often sound less lively in comparison to "proper" > instruments. One way to work around that when working with loops is to ad= d > time-variant processing to the loop output which is not in sync with the > loop length. E.g. use a kind of filter thing modulated by an LFO, the > period of which is 5/4 of the loop length - voila. This works both with > audio and MIDI loops. You can also do that by affecting parameters of the > synth (if using MIDI loops), and if working with e.g. Live use a MIDI cli= p > of different length to control them. > > Rainer > > -- > http://moinlabs.de > Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs > > --f46d043c7f7459b48904c5e87209 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm not sure I know what you mean. I'm a bit confused to be honest.=

On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 4:59 AM, Rainer = Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote:


It's been quite a few weeks since I've touched my keyboard. But fin= ally got around to it. This isnt 100% improvised because od me wanting to m= aintain the same musical idea throughout the 10-15 tries it took to record = one i liked. Let me know what you guys think! Thanks :) Link below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D__aRoZ_6JkE&feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_player <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D__= aRoZ_6JkE&feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_player>

The following comments are not meant as a critizism of what you do in the v= ideo, rather than as thoughts about a possible different approach technical= ly for this form of looping:

1. If you're using loops of MIDI-enabled instruments (which, to me, see= ms to be the case in all of your sound sources here), there's always th= e two possibilities of audio vs. MIDI lopping . The former is the only thin= g which allows you to get the reverse effect, and to properly "cut aud= io in pieces" (both of which you don't seem to do that much in you= r music. The latter has the advantage that even with a rather simple system= setup, you can have full multitracking and change sounds of an already rec= orded loop in a radical fashion. And also get a "proper" speed ch= ange (i.e. without the need of using complex timestretch algorithms).

I would suggest you have a look at the possibility of working with MIDI loo= ps (Ableton Live is rather strong in that department) and see how this work= s for you.
(self-marketing nota bene: when I had started to work with a computer in my= loop stuff and was still using a lot of synth/computer drum voices, I woul= d usually record acoustic instruments in M=F6bius hosted in Live, and loop = MIDI stuff with MIDI clips directly in live. Examples on the Weird Speciali= st album http://moinlabs.de/index.php?id=3D273)

2. Synthesizers often sound less lively in comparison to "proper"= instruments. One way to work around that when working with loops is to add= time-variant processing to the loop output which is not in sync with the l= oop length. E.g. use a kind of filter thing modulated by an LFO, the period= of which is 5/4 of the loop length - voila. This works both with audio and= MIDI loops. You can also do that by affecting parameters of the synth (if = using MIDI loops), and if working with e.g. Live use a MIDI clip of differe= nt length to control them.
=A0 =A0 =A0 Rainer

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--f46d043c7f7459b48904c5e87209-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 28 19:16:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BB2718345C; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 19:16:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=HITK5NPfLl9wsjDCZ9sliGddbSMsuC6BCShcO2xhaWw=; b=ni0Wax+c1pl+r66PgZ6CbVgs1ullEYGNWX/CmfTz2XiFj+/5EUEj+Sif+H0WF1yB2m AvnWPLJ3+hK/eL99C0hkXj5PMFMH8zZERvhtk+10JPQwcurNNiy8LwQjkEZ1JjXeA4nV U9mJlk/rNP7RmyHJIRZCfUvXF1SN/7q6piadU+MQMUH1l+u3bEbDEkrGNkoLQsqyLlFP elUX1wG5pv3MJb7DVDxl/wtZ1MpVNhL6H31o8H+g7HyPFnhwgVV7fOKGtqkNM78f1vUL FknwTsv7RuGvUq8IK89UBQpCfH82pDVLHbT4aAJxk4c3QOoTNEsiTgkyJZTBU4MOjkgn ZG7Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 12:16:12 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: How often do you listen to your own music? From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64c248273937b04c5e8a949 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 19:16:14 +0000 (UTC) --0016e64c248273937b04c5e8a949 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I guess this is a rather odd question but I'm curious. Do you only listen to it for improvement? Or do you enjoy listening to yourself just as you would listen to an artist you like? -- http://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238 http://www.youtube.com/user/gumdrops27 https://twitter.com/K3Z_Art www.soundcloud.com/k3z --0016e64c248273937b04c5e8a949 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I guess this is a rather odd question but I'm curious. Do you only list= en to it for improvement? Or do you enjoy listening to yourself just as you= would listen to an artist you like?

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From: Matthias Grob In-Reply-To: <20120728081626.27373.36442.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 17:34:48 -0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20120728081626.27373.36442.levelstar.mail@everest> To: Loop List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 20:34:57 +0000 (UTC) this subject touches me I am fascinated by the man-machine interfaces for a long time and we have been discussing the shoe gazing appearence of most loopers So I have been thinking about a pedal which can be operated without = looking (be it that the musician looks at the public or at the = instrument or at the equipment he operates or he closes his eyes or he = is blind=85) for a start its probably enough to extend an existing pedal with = outstanding bits that can be felt with the foot for orientation sure, its helpful to see the loop time and multiple counting and such, = but I do not think its essential the Echoloop plugin sends its state by MIDI so you could verify it with = a braille display? or the feedback could happen with little electro magnets around the = pedal that hit the feet or so? On 28 Jul 2012, at 5:16 AM, Tyler wrote: > Hello! Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that my friend Lizzie = and I are the only blind=20 > loopers. I like the sound of live looping, but I don't really do it. = I'm on this list because I loop=20 > in the studio all the time, and you know what Kim said, and what = Violet says, about the list. But I like=20 > live looping, and would like to try it. I have this feeling that a = loop pedal is very visual, and there are a=20 > lot of visual cues. A JAWS screen reader may be able to understand = Ableton and Mobius. So,=20 > what do you think of blind live looping? Anything that may not be = visual? 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To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1237875512-819258265-1343507881=:53466" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 20:38:03 +0000 (UTC) --1237875512-819258265-1343507881=:53466 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I listen to my own music as I would listen to an artist I like AND for improvement. I like the stuff I've been doing lately (as well as a lot of my old stuff) but my newer stuff has really improved. After decades of experimenting with amps, effects, loopers, guitars, drum machines, percussion instruments, microphone placement, et al, I've come to a place where I like what I'm doing. ________________________________ From: kay'lon rushing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 3:16 PM Subject: How often do you listen to your own music? I guess this is a rather odd question but I'm curious. Do you only listen to it for improvement? Or do you enjoy listening to yourself just as you would listen to an artist you like? -- http://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238 http://www.youtube.com/user/gumdrops27 https://twitter.com/K3Z_Art www.soundcloud.com/k3z --1237875512-819258265-1343507881=:53466 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I listen to my own music as I would listen to an artist I like AND for improvement. I like the stuff I've been doing lately (as well as a lot of my old stuff) but my newer stuff has really improved. After decades of experimenting with amps, effects, loopers, guitars, drum machines, percussion instruments, microphone placement, et al, I've come to a place where I like what I'm doing.

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To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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Subject: How often do you listen to your own music?

I guess this is a rather odd question but I'm curious. Do you only listen to it for improvement? Or do you enjoy listening to yourself just as you would listen to an artist you like?

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--1237875512-819258265-1343507881=:53466-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 28 20:44:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C998118345E; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 20:44:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=nsiovgiVm+Q2F5sDM1/ga4KTaDK7jr07r/O+/us/2Rc=; b=auOAgm+SGa/ujpw1KF2/eX6W1ZtQKylSpR3fRaKfcxshutouZ/M9PORMWAbx7KETcl S72KNqtUthAgu53QTOsnzdirt3IPLqlG76Hskl1tsiHZe4w4ATOfoJt7eSCbffKYU6dT V2kKjT401R71n9Lb28cg/NUk3Mes07FusBDO1gfbmftYD10HQTdcodUPt+FwKsF1o9Fj vzCcJnAi5lnbST36gWiROKpJL1yNoiplLcy3TuLgC23b+xZg7ge+ltH74wwxIG8G4/wz JygocqHB3JIwZfqNDMfJuV7EhNaYV1qK4Ao2q/A0h/5GfZxQe7PknPqc8oYELCsEl70Q llRQ== Subject: Re: Switching Echoloop VST Params Using Ableton Dummy Clips Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: <5013FBCB.1020207@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 13:44:37 -0700 Cc: Matthias Grob Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <16BF5171-FE7D-4BC1-A199-5398CD597BA9@gmail.com> <50138855-5C29-49F5-8574-AC67F89C88CC@gmail.com> <5013D061.7030704@tiscali.co.uk> <9FCA7A96-3BA4-47D6-92CA-8746D19171D1@gmail.com> <5013FBCB.1020207@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 20:44:42 +0000 (UTC) Andy -=20 Please cue "You Can't Always Get What You Want." :) Because I just got what I need ! You are of course correct that the Echoloop is responding to Pgm = Changes, but I could not see that - because the Preset Banks popup menu = does not update to show the current preset when it's being switched = remotely ! (prolly worth a bugfix?) Digging deeper for testing, i set up 16 distinct presets with Subcycle = values of 1,2,3,4,5 etc... and sending Pgm Changes 0-15 via direct MIDI = was in fact correctly updating params as stored in the presets for the = VST. So - halle-freaking-lujah, there is a way. What I *wanted* was a = discrete control for each param I want to change or hit, but upon = inventory it's clear the net of all those is under a dozen basic states = for the VST. So, the preset change works and accomplishes that - and I = get what I need. Thanks Andy, Per, Matthias, and everyone else who has suffered through = this thread with me :) Phil=20 On Jul 28, 2012, at 7:48 AM, andy butler wrote: >=20 >=20 > Phil Clevenger wrote: >>> The *only* feature that's required is "just route my midi >>> controller to the audio plugin". >>>=20 >> Andy, if only this were true ! >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > It *does* change vst preset when it gets ProgCh. > I have the Subcycle numbers flipping about as I type. >=20 > and Yes, it does that in Ableton, the only strangeness being that > Ableton insists on changing the Midi Channel to 1 when > it forwards to the plugin. >=20 > Apart from this glitch with the note-On, I get the behaviour I always = had:- > Link up my usual EDP midi controller to computer. > Follow my Ableton Howto. > Echoloop responds just like an EDP. >=20 > Currently I'm having a problem with the windows version which needs = fixing though ;-( > Anyone who got the latest win version may find it not responding to = Note-On at all. > (trying to be too quick editing out mac specific code) >=20 > andy >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 28 20:52:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 896D918345D; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 20:52:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=DtoLtZefxnHza6Gn0LN851hgur1Z7nqN4ANnhZVcDaQ=; b=pHL6k7jIC1RVbM5P8V3RU0R6UZjCCxC30luE28ZHawtICiEJR4sEzkcBlBc45Mhysx fkDK/yFT3yX6ZCW3ZTmUZCaZMZ/Un0r5gbsDF8Dsso/z1oUcsh+eYkob+WFP+2tr0R1L JJNEUxIzifcOo4OWnhduGPJmbY7zklS57yRlDsbKwwsHjqvaePnFNK/O8DnZsuQM4ew8 gj/djjuMxvytRDHPtuSX6obNGRk6T9/hvWnN4FSo6FOVREKRbIPTf0r9VVKGABT2rXsg 7X3oV9SLZhiH+a2z/iVPIFHzUFsVeiLHwYjlbL7PxWrc4b34JhuYxqrMiUZFkgr6bhp+ m5Fw== From: Phil Clevenger Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-129306603 Subject: Re: Echoloop Presets? Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 13:52:06 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <3FD38B63-2B63-45D5-9806-4CDCA854A0B4@gmail.com> <5012E657.4080102@tiscali.co.uk> Message-Id: <9622A40B-7064-4E4D-A1DE-5009DD0B7807@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 20:52:11 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-129306603 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mark -=20 We have an answer :) Saving settings presets for the VST (as opposed to saving preset = instances of teh VST) is super easy: just set up each preset bank as you = want it to be. You can switch between them via the Presets menu to = confirm that all changes are persisting as you configured them. If you want you can rename each preset by clicking the VST title bar = and pressing Cmd-R (Rename). (Be sure and save your Live Set, and once the VST has all the presets = configured as you like, probably it would be best to save an instance of = the VST in case you lose the Set file.) Now, to recall via MIDI controller, you have to make sure you are = controlling the VST via direct MIDI, using standard EDP commands. See = Andy's "Using Echoloop In Ableton" doc for details about MIDI routing. = This way all MIDI commands, even unsupported-by-Ableton Program Changes = go straight to Echoloop, bypassing any need for Midi Learn. Set up your controller to send Pgm Changes 0 thru 15; now test the = mechanism: watch the Echoloop params for confirmation that the right = stuff is happening, because the VST Presets menu will not respond as = would be expected (this is a bug). Working like a charm here. Phil :) On Jul 27, 2012, at 2:45 PM, mark francombe wrote: > On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 9:04 PM, andy butler = wrote: > it's just like any other VST plugin, using standard VST presets. >=20 > (just with the addition of recall via ProgCh). >=20 >=20 > Whaddyamean the addition of recall via ProgCh? >=20 > As for using VST presets .. you mean that to select "Presets" within = Echoloop I should save them as VST presets (think I know how to do that = in Mulch) and then recall THEM.. Damn... Im not using my foot controller = to do ANY things to Mulch... I guess I could... Id rather skip that and = ProgCh the plugin... is that what you mean??? > So how?=20 >=20 > (sitting in new house with no foot pedal or guitar handy... so... this = is a theoretical issue right now... ) >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >=20 --Apple-Mail-2-129306603 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Mark = - 

We have an answer = :)

Saving settings presets for the VST (as = opposed to saving preset instances of teh VST) is super easy: just set = up each preset bank as you want it to be. You can switch between them = via the Presets menu to confirm that all changes are persisting as you = configured them.

If you want you can rename = each preset by clicking  the VST title bar and pressing Cmd-R = (Rename).

(Be sure and save your Live Set, and = once the VST has all the presets configured as you like, probably it = would be best to save an instance of the VST in case you lose the Set = file.)

Now, to recall via MIDI controller, you = have to make sure you are controlling the VST via direct MIDI, using = standard EDP commands. See Andy's "Using Echoloop In Ableton" doc for = details about MIDI routing. This way all MIDI commands, even = unsupported-by-Ableton Program Changes go straight to Echoloop, = bypassing any need for Midi Learn.

Set up your = controller to send Pgm Changes 0 thru 15; now test the mechanism: watch = the Echoloop params for confirmation that the right stuff is happening, = because the VST Presets menu will not respond as would be expected (this = is a bug).

Working like a charm = here.

Phil = :)


On Jul 27, 2012, at 2:45 PM, = mark francombe wrote:

On Fri, = Jul 27, 2012 at 9:04 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
it's = just like any other VST plugin, using standard VST presets.

(just with the addition of recall via ProgCh).


Whaddyamean the addition of recall via = ProgCh?

As for using VST presets .. you mean that to select = "Presets" within Echoloop I should save them as VST presets (think I = know how to do that in Mulch) and then recall THEM.. Damn... Im not = using my foot controller to do ANY things to Mulch... I guess I could... = Id rather skip that and ProgCh the plugin... is that what you = mean???
So how?

(sitting in new house with no foot pedal or guitar = handy... so... this is a theoretical issue right now... )


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Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/


= --Apple-Mail-2-129306603-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 28 20:54:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E160B18345C; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 20:54:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=yphYxT7msDJ1eF5b4XBIKsRB2d6ZnkNdhAyDv4pth1I=; b=dR3PJw1Bfsw10nPOqbMxTcXXJWqMdYuy1MMCdquZaDY6IxCublQnxq/2pxXasD61nW Elg60jceRA+UGIJHU2X/XLXPhxgzxVZ2+CgQvCMOmWPpSMIo0EU+pXNx9pLAJiohs+zu v9s6HthA5yycAcuizwBAVU54Nzl6awiZCIUrSEtuLUrpww7HdvhM+J20kVIcJYT/QSE2 aWwouh7eJtOEHaML7KU8zijyRomx+UtgFYAjj/t03SVmMyKqO50XGlf9cW4g4SukGqxQ 7d7JEJzNM48QTY/Z9las1U/KTsms00oPcFWaTnMUqHRJvfaf5VHauk6sGVrwFoXVeObf UnLQ== Subject: Re: How often do you listen to your own music? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-129416801 From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: <1343507881.53466.YahooMailNeo@web122401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 13:53:56 -0700 Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-Id: <3B4ABBC9-B3CE-4134-B567-D5DB6A601797@gmail.com> References: <1343507881.53466.YahooMailNeo@web122401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To: Paul Richards X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 20:54:01 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-129416801 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I spend at least as much time listening as I do playing. Same with = visual design: I spend as much time, or more, looking, as I do = designing. Crucial, for me. YMMV :) On Jul 28, 2012, at 1:38 PM, Paul Richards wrote: > I listen to my own music as I would listen to an artist I like AND for = improvement. I like the stuff I've been doing lately (as well as a lot = of my old stuff) but my newer stuff has really improved. After decades = of experimenting with amps, effects, loopers, guitars, drum machines, = percussion instruments, microphone placement, et al, I've come to a = place where I like what I'm doing. >=20 > From: kay'lon rushing > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 > Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 3:16 PM > Subject: How often do you listen to your own music? >=20 > I guess this is a rather odd question but I'm curious. Do you only = listen to it for improvement? Or do you enjoy listening to yourself just = as you would listen to an artist you like? >=20 > --=20 > http://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238 >=20 > http://www.youtube.com/user/gumdrops27 >=20 > https://twitter.com/K3Z_Art >=20 > www.soundcloud.com/k3z >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-3-129416801 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I = spend at least as much time listening as I do playing. Same with visual = design: I spend as much time, or more, looking, as I do designing. = Crucial, for me. YMMV :)


On Jul 28, = 2012, at 1:38 PM, Paul Richards wrote:

I listen to my own = music as I would listen to an artist I like AND for improvement. I like = the stuff I've been doing lately (as well as a lot of my old stuff) but = my newer stuff has really improved. After decades of experimenting with = amps, effects, loopers, guitars, drum machines, percussion instruments, = microphone placement, et al, I've come to a place where I like what I'm = doing.

=
From: kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 3:16 PM
Subject: How often do you listen = to your own music?

I guess this is a rather odd question but I'm = curious. Do you only listen to it for improvement? Or do you enjoy = listening to yourself just as you would listen to an artist you like?

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http://www.face= book.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238

http://www.youtube.com/user/gumdrops27

https://twitter.com/K3Z_Art

www.soundcloud.com/k3z



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= --Apple-Mail-3-129416801-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 28 20:58:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBAFD18345D; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 20:58:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=5LpSTmRVRMIQk1VCkS7YT2/pzwbyrLjpuK9/Po5Y440=; b=SiHE+iOCzT4YdgYfNXu8hH9r2k13778C3k4Cn750lkgjv+K1T0IZ5tlWSxVZGOxb+f 4vVa6NBw0ZRnKWYeUPTCW740/lhE3XNeSgHDhMvkmPHowX7q0yxr1knRgGsGO3XgaJ0r OpzU4wNlBKC1dVYht44WJxxhaIXzUA8jNuqnqMbO3uybGKCC5CjE6Bsi7fwMBi3GswU7 EQcHhn3IE2333Y5DqFGKYIqpDhjzPykHxuSv83B5BeRUMqhjXElsJvaqLlYF63r5k1N2 8of66i4VDv56Uc+RRWE9wKTXsws/lpoW7ih+tbtMWuM7I8RCSjfnkMXDPmjAenD3QgNP wpbw== From: Matthias Grob Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_BDCD1A92-7332-461F-A154-942ABB8F58DF" Subject: Re: Echoloop VST Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 17:58:47 -0300 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: , Message-Id: <2AC97A93-BD85-4416-8DE2-FFA8B25E9F84@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 20:58:55 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_BDCD1A92-7332-461F-A154-942ABB8F58DF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I had tested Echoloop with Audiomulch on OSX and just did again, and it did not crash can you give us your situation, Gareth? On 26 Jul 2012, at 6:41 AM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > I managed to track a copy of this down this morning but it crashes = Audiomulch - anyone? >=20 > Peace, >=20 > G --Apple-Mail=_BDCD1A92-7332-461F-A154-942ABB8F58DF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 I had tested Echoloop with Audiomulch on = OSX
and just did again, and it did not crash
can you give = us your situation, Gareth?

On 26 Jul 2012, at = 6:41 AM, Gareth Whittock wrote:

I managed to track a copy of this down this morning = but it crashes Audiomulch - = anyone?

Peace,

G

= --Apple-Mail=_BDCD1A92-7332-461F-A154-942ABB8F58DF-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 28 21:18:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4101E18345D; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 21:18:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=QZKSsvMuXcqfRYqFSzRiNOw2aeEBI+/kG8GvCVpPiv0=; b=rC+MNtfNfSgxQdIW7WqQCHLRgLsYdiA+HkUHXcpGsyyphYY84S5PzaDLvjQYqhOIBZ 6DXonjcR9hL06MeRfMmdxcv8IzshktKO8gX+P1fq/+yf6Xy1yk9+GNUNfFHmjvsFbQmq tAf7DfyHSfoeK5XAPUupDgG7iWIfGLb9i8y8ioNBwd+3teofkW2Vv2vfUs0ZAbrO6lFG mWJzbuTAdJj5Fhi43AcsXxxgKcyOqLf9nNWQ4GhUkJywEcoOTU6lSjDsfflNtZo5/i6F TTuyOLvvHv+0mjkdZw6EJIHQ+BZgbckCZMDjzvRFUXjWyraDzOAFbmwnqDw5Vo104Mys yJAA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 17:18:04 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: newb-cycler looper From: r williford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f3ba85b45498604c5ea5db4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 21:18:06 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f3ba85b45498604c5ea5db4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 any body play with cycler looper http://www.cycler-looper.com/ in beta. free for now My first post. hope this is going to the right place. Ive been playing with this for the last month. I was using ableton looper before but this has taken its space --e89a8f3ba85b45498604c5ea5db4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0any body play with cycler looper
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--e89a8f3ba85b45498604c5ea5db4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 28 21:33:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E3DF18345E; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 21:33:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=pcvinac7dwMqsQ3OA1gbE4NkN5thRnN/OsZjutQREuI=; b=pfLIbWwS5kyFiLOGqoqny6wZs1Yx4LfvzTyEhacpsmILk+Ex85wRbOreVwN62sk2fl sVJ+pLO6lhvijzxbQ0OoNIrfY/v07MpnrY1lsDF1nVhEA05D5alet2Y+9+CHBIaMtrpU gwYfzgHVzjqyvAyXSm/+rmaIv6LYXLuy9Dho+MDPxXiknlwjo9YXRlnAxIrjGJV0yJgn B9ge4Gt76OHoSxI2Nlbl7RQgoHgf5s+Ne9i81C90hxxO6bl/Qb84eMS22KTD2sFH8hre gK4werf3LTvvuaySdAjyUYSYeCRdfH8LbYUqDQKuiOLTR1Dx3LJBeaUD32sz0x/EY1JQ UuLA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 23:33:13 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How often do you listen to your own music? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <9IhuMC.A.URF.ZqFFQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 21:33:13 +0000 (UTC) I never listen to my own recorded music. But when producing a recording, where I am participating as a musician, I can't avoid listening to it a lot. I prefer silence or recorded music that I have not heard before. On my computers and iPhone live a big number of podcast subscriptions to all kind of music programs. I also use the Soma.fm iPhone app and the SoundCloud iPhone app. Typical such listing occasions are right after getting out of bed while I shave, take a shower and make breakfast. When the breakfast is ready for eating I normally turn off the music because I start working during the eating phase (modern time optimization). I can plug the iPhone into the practice Roland Street Cube if in need for more juice. I do have top class studio monitors plus a PA handy I also do enjoy listening on crap fidelity like the iPhone or Street Cube. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 28 21:41:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FD0118345D; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 21:41:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=zINrtVb5wQuZx0z85OTfPNPtIOxEQvgW47QOdzvK9j0=; b=pplpSRd0Cl/9P9HpkVToSgO7+jARvCNlaOIk++BxxJcOA3ft52mCPQlLzg4ZI9ibKN I5iQJO5SmolvTegrU9fd1fCPTE5y+clQEQElyXHCipnrIEauMsfMQVcA4PQV3aOBbBnx t7x31mVXi7+arMrF0xM69b6dJDcrcwuPeh/OCQQw7M+2KCdTsJHSMhvPftdd0YiX+IjY xYuVwTTZ9ULdHHYt4ZKTHPkSF6ARCh+wdZsg+bh161MybyOuII+R5NTOz8kZFs67nwCj /mOX1pja9dRHiNOsyJ84KJRDUMevufmCstTu38rNjjTOGLioy59GHPUur1DbuyV2Z8z9 /edg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20120728081626.27373.36442.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 23:41:42 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What can blind and visually impaired loopers do? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 21:41:43 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: > or the feedback could happen with little electro magnets around the pedal that hit the feet or so? He, he.... that's is pretty funny. I've been around playing out with many bands and I can assure you that sooner or later some humorous band mate will manipulate those magnets to temporarily tenfold the electric shock. ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 28 22:57:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AED9618345B; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 22:57:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=mUA9Ng7Atznvr8CadJnyzm7o6o41Z1sLXud3xSFTRbw=; b=h0SiK4f9XFrg1hpqxFtwIgprd0fShEEfJC6MrtHvE+jrZvCSwhWfrAco/OWEFxykDE 1v++GEvRkedlXIN+8bzwQwjTMtPCo+NX0PS1KWu1P+7fAqJAfdUXIRsowadUV+U6so1P B6RV1wTdb9XQYN2HAwSRi3lYutYYHXixfUANyVvHJPo8HG+k507IMFlhhCgRoBN5VRVj jGDz+BAjhiogwmodA17ZSBLFt0PJwYNrkYUu1PHJckc/RaH81y9PxTJv9eN7C5ckx67T 4Fvlmcd8nQX7VinvIADNrY7sBVIiz0aen+spiGhtzjHgYAAdaTcjMiAM6tct1shgcEdo 3Mqg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 15:57:05 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How often do you listen to your own music? From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04447e61626ce504c5ebbf2a Resent-Message-ID: <3bwpbB.A.d7F.D5GFQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 22:57:07 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04447e61626ce504c5ebbf2a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I like the varied views on this. I've been listening to myself a lot lately, i always have enjoyed listening to my owm stuff. However it seems like im too easy on myself when I listen alone. If I let others listen to my music while I am present, its like i automatically become them as if im listening from their perspective or the perspective of fresh ears. That us when I learn the most about myself and I tend to be much more aware and I pick apart all the things I feel I should to change or improve. Its somewhat of a self-concious thing but its helpful at times. On Jul 28, 2012 2:33 PM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > I never listen to my own recorded music. But when producing a > recording, where I am participating as a musician, I can't avoid > listening to it a lot. > > I prefer silence or recorded music that I have not heard before. On my > computers and iPhone live a big number of podcast subscriptions to all > kind of music programs. I also use the Soma.fm iPhone app and the > SoundCloud iPhone app. Typical such listing occasions are right after > getting out of bed while I shave, take a shower and make breakfast. > When the breakfast is ready for eating I normally turn off the music > because I start working during the eating phase (modern time > optimization). I can plug the iPhone into the practice Roland Street > Cube if in need for more juice. I do have top class studio monitors > plus a PA handy I also do enjoy listening on crap fidelity like the > iPhone or Street Cube. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > --f46d04447e61626ce504c5ebbf2a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I like the varied views on this. I've been listening to myself a lot= lately, i always have enjoyed listening to my owm stuff. However it seems = like im too easy on myself when I listen alone. If I let others listen to m= y music while I am present, its like i automatically become them as if im l= istening from their perspective or the perspective of fresh ears. That us w= hen I learn the most about myself and I tend to be much more aware and I pi= ck apart all the things I feel I should to change or improve. Its somewhat = of a self-concious thing but its helpful at times.

On Jul 28, 2012 2:33 PM, "Per Boysen" = <perboysen@gmail.com> wrot= e:
I never listen to my own recorded music. But when producing a
recording, where I am participating as a musician, I can't avoid
listening to it a lot.

I prefer silence or recorded music that I have not heard before. On my
computers and iPhone live a big number of podcast subscriptions to all
kind of music programs. I also use the Soma.fm iPhone app and the
SoundCloud iPhone app. Typical such listing occasions are right after
getting out of bed while I shave, take a shower and make breakfast.
When the breakfast is ready for eating I normally turn off the music
because I start working during the eating phase (modern time
optimization). I can plug the iPhone into the practice Roland Street
Cube if in need for more juice. I do have top class studio monitors
plus a PA handy I also do enjoy listening on crap fidelity like the
iPhone or Street Cube.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen

--f46d04447e61626ce504c5ebbf2a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 28 23:03:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3486318345B; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 23:03:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=/OgLJ8y5V5n5ursJBforiEz0qeGclnHX23IrqCSEQWM=; b=sfh2ge9GHkmAMPv4yn5rCFowXBlR9FyVxGFZX+2UvmMceIzVsZhXxuMhAEoZt0h4aU K7zIWyp/kLqf4UJq26E54ONPNw9TuISr6+3UGR1YnO340ISlJSDb1ekkT5TyJjNO6lFt yytFY+kh7MEvVRBaCEMdEgcw/sgoafpeqpp287lAz/8eGn7rTreSgaqltSMBBW8rNbFQ W3TK4eslTT+rlEPpLrmWZxqZLsbRBZhhyv4nf747N00/OgNoYWK/svaiaO40i/c1nQ8l ii9Mkq46/1oXfdtevhzdZMOHXF3XmhAl1FtTWtlbwQeKrAwoVSRCcLhcwucWNYu3yB/Y 82mA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 16:03:21 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: newb-cycler looper From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04138a9dc30fc404c5ebd570 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 23:03:22 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04138a9dc30fc404c5ebd570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Can it work as a vst? On Jul 28, 2012 2:18 PM, "r williford" wrote: > any body play with cycler looper > http://www.cycler-looper.com/ in beta. free for now > My first post. hope this is going to the right place. > Ive been playing with this for the last month. > I was using ableton looper before but this has taken its space > > > > > --f46d04138a9dc30fc404c5ebd570 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Can it work as a vst?

On Jul 28, 2012 2:18 PM, "r williford"= <robinkicksass@gmail.com= > wrote:
=A0any body play with cycler looper
http://www.cycler-looper.com/ in beta. free for= now
My first post. hope this is going to the right place.
Ive been = playing with this for the last month.
I was using ableton looper before but this has taken its space


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--f46d04138a9dc30fc404c5ebd570-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 28 23:07:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA47618345D; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 23:07:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=8i7TGjyxGMkqIYNw5SynxsBtjj+1nQSsfM1K1tFWaTI=; b=CDWg+8TvL9uK3LVGJydbsgqLM80YxnPaMX0gE/hdW4tbogc3vaBDYXxNrt0kN7WSgB n1iCEIDox5WNmL02eIqUFYPbxTjMkRSycGRaNaKI983oCVIbWPRe3b8Q32/Ak8QDMDJa gYi89MuskOS5DLcCdLkI07aEH1lluVr/ai9xBaB2B2Q8vuH216e+Ur+ZPgJnIrbaNTbU O1cb9nk8B8c0OI0i69eA5aXQqnqFec4kEvPzhKNU4k7GPBwvzfijsH8cHFWBJzaH/uAC XKwveAyLG/UF0J/Qxw/qttVSF2T0vMPshPTBgb2ZM3mOO5O0w61wa/aHbEX9DGf5T8S4 7QJA== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Subject: Re: How often do you listen to your own music? From: Matthias Grob In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 20:06:54 -0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <84118A91-946D-4033-BAF8-491EE753C299@gmail.com> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 23:07:02 +0000 (UTC) On 28 Jul 2012, at 4:16 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > I guess this is a rather odd question but I'm curious. Do you only = listen to it for improvement? Or do you enjoy listening to yourself just = as you would listen to an artist you like? I listen to my music often and usually like it better than anything else in some circumstances like the presence of special people, I hear more = inperfection in it when I started looping in 1986, I EXCLUSIVELY listened to my own music = for nearly a year! that was an intense trip even when I visited someone I brought my latest tapes and had everybody = listen. hahaha http://matthiasgrob.bandcamp.com (the lower row are duos, maybe Flechas de Fogo is the most interesting = for you) I am not sure whether it improved, depends on criteria. when I started, = I was very enthusiastic and found more surprising stuff, later it became = cleaner and smarter, but more routine=85 (the oldes on bandcamp is Cristais)= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 28 23:13:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6AC86183460; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 23:13:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=vcV9sJW92kMsEB05RIugwjxuK6P/ti+U/KHyG7+iZQY=; b=Ft9Ra6FIqvqo4cuEYM7JrmkTmHTjo3cgQZrmJ3xBt179cOGvZ6VWxMmGfp9J2azb8N L7nvQbfObBqQITuewy/Kha5eygOL3J9r/t1zKT1J30DIiJQyyIbxZBQRzSan7i6N6faD UeylG7V5H10E7aTN70fkJ4SJfRZMgVoTQfcZimKRVdJ1BAJIq+CYac7Xzsh4Ttm7ZT97 35poFwf3ccn+2reRAZ4HngOMsqDs/bC5MDpxO5zMwB5NaK6RGR50ULIr7akz9Hx94yPW 5b8lQG19V9/zKE8gIPhlmTXbSeoq3RJycFBiWfgxdYs+n6cRo0Czt7avct9B7Fo9TbnC LGnA== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Subject: Re: What can blind and visually impaired loopers do? From: Matthias Grob In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 20:13:39 -0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5D9CE4DC-220A-4F74-923C-0ED2F5EFFBB8@gmail.com> References: <20120728081626.27373.36442.levelstar.mail@everest> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: <2faeIB.A.uSG.qIHFQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 23:13:46 +0000 (UTC) you got me wrong, Per, its not eletric shocks its like a relay: the magnet activates a lever that hits the foot = mechanically but electroshock is also a good idea! hahaha On 28 Jul 2012, at 6:41 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Matthias Grob = wrote: >> or the feedback could happen with little electro magnets around the = pedal that hit the feet or so? >=20 > He, he.... that's is pretty funny. I've been around playing out with > many bands and I can assure you that sooner or later some humorous > band mate will manipulate those magnets to temporarily tenfold the > electric shock. ;-) >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 28 23:33:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1591F18345D; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 23:33:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=de4lG9b5LBLbdPP1mBfs3/eRZB7j2kpYfCvmEe8raAk= c=1 sm=1 a=h3FqeRNuiCQA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=UncmS/Am0Fgh8c8TZh5eWA==:17 a=3j4BkbkPAAAA:8 a=oxsrFXlPAAAA:20 a=JqEG_dyiAAAA:8 a=myP459r3AAAA:8 a=nj4-oAe4wYvvjB0dPB4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=UncmS/Am0Fgh8c8TZh5eWA==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: How often do you listen to your own music? From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 16:33:12 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 23:33:13 +0000 (UTC) It depends. I have a lot of other peoples' music on my computer in iTunes - 43.9 = straight days worth, if you must know. About 10 hours of that is my own music - which on random play is bound = to come up every now and again. So, listening to it is not a completely deliberate choice most of the = time. And...most of that is very old stuff, recorded 10 or even 20 years ago = or more...and is stuff I decided to keep (for one reason or another). Listening to it just happens on it's own every now and again. It's also sort of a "reality check" to have something I've done segued = between a couple of real "masterpieces" by real musicians in random play = (LOL). It can be a real slap in the face...but in a totally good way. I have a different M.O. though when I've actually, been currently = working on a particular piece (or pieces) of music. Immediately after having recorded something new, I listen back to it = quite a lot...so much so that I do so until I get sick of it (which = usually doesn't take long). After that I have to take a break of about a month, or two, or maybe = three before I even stand to hear it again. It usually takes about that long (for me) to gain some sort of realistic = perspective and good judgement on my own work. Immediately after recording I may either love or hate a piece (usually = the latter), and I listen to it a lot to figure out what I did either = wrong or right when creating it. But I almost always find that with time, my perspective changes, and = (after a significant break of several weeks) I can get a more balanced = view of whatever it is...and make my peace with it (one way or the = other, to keep or discard). Only at that point do I allow myself to form a permanent opinion about = whatever it is. Prior to that, it's all just transient emotions, neurotically obsessive = insecurities, and thwarted expectations. It takes time to let go of all those. After that it either goes in the iTunes list or the trashcan. That's what has worked for me...mostly. Cheers! On Jul 28, 2012, at 12:16 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > I guess this is a rather odd question but I'm curious. Do you only = listen to it for improvement? Or do you enjoy listening to yourself just = as you would listen to an artist you like? >=20 > --=20 > http://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238 >=20 > http://www.youtube.com/user/gumdrops27 >=20 > https://twitter.com/K3Z_Art >=20 > www.soundcloud.com/k3z From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 29 00:17:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57D1C18345D; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 00:17:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=EpYboAlpyuOFOvgKXCdeQIY11LUnN3o8H5CIm4SZNE0=; b=ccl/KMUwBbl//ck7rCQwiUXD8u1ziThiuVbbJ7oUSbFWPK3H5jS8gP0Rf+gXEfwTbl /Ksq/l0KI3s4NLDwxxM+KTbAfGicqJkJ7jBthpMKKbAqqjDM8R1wEvoktsOVudlbqOi1 PunEkxFxap5g1atghqFtEj0CVPNsaapQ+aquy2M81ZdJoX2TtsBkbS/feJW8HGxEKpTm O8HNrORCRHzgbTHh6qdOtZBFGkkKy3IZ5lVVz6GU5ROPN2I0C+RyMMr9lAXVZO+5MXx9 cYAlSrSUlxqkfiDIYrl+PPxEw4TulhMUYoInN0eDKZqO0mT93GiB26IyoUtkfSbBraSA KcjA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <84118A91-946D-4033-BAF8-491EE753C299@gmail.com> References: <84118A91-946D-4033-BAF8-491EE753C299@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 02:17:42 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How often do you listen to your own music? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <0JC2lD.A.SwG.nEIFQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 00:17:43 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: > when I started looping in 1986, I EXCLUSIVELY listened to my own music for nearly a year! > that was an intense trip > even when I visited someone I brought my latest tapes and had everybody listen. hahaha Ha, ha.... I did that too! In -84 I bought an eight track tape recorder and typically recorded ambitious pieces named like "Ants Building Houses" containing eight multi tracked myself scratching super tiny object in an extremely busy manner. I mixed down to cassette tapes an brought everywhere to make everyone listen. Some found it interesting, others pretended to while some felt personally offended and demanded I should stop the tape playback immediately. Learned a lot from that, not just concerning music. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 29 00:39:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6383183460; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 00:39:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1021 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 00:39:44 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Ezw4Llw/aHTXKHjdLxualhfkzCm+DtjFik2WJbhk5N8c+E2QFCFYGWtOiR7ymRp2; h=Received:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-Id: <96FCF579-D69D-4CA5-A506-8B8BD90FDD84@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <84118A91-946D-4033-BAF8-491EE753C299@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: How often do you listen to your own music? Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 17:22:31 -0700 References: <84118A91-946D-4033-BAF8-491EE753C299@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-ELNK-Trace: 0cf8a1273a73c9ff1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7906ab3c75cfc594cf0ec2fe5b611d2e18350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 75.142.16.104 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 00:39:44 +0000 (UTC) I occasionally listen, even now years after I've stopped playing regularly, and still find some of it very satisfying, even incomparable. My explanation here goes to the implied "why do you listen" part of the question: Back when I was doing music with all my available time and energy, I listened regularly and in preference to "artists I liked", because my approach was to simply play as often as possible and to hit record whenever the constant stream of pure improv seemed to have taken off to somewhere interesting or surprising. So I listened later (usually when commuting) as a natural part of the editing/evaluating process, and then listened to the edited bits quite a lot depending on just how much I'd actually surprised or pleased myself, always with an ear to whether I could somehow improve it, and as a presumed check on how I was developing. This whole play/grab/ listen/edit cycle was far more interesting and engaging than listening to even the most wonderful "real" recorded music; my hands were all over it, and much more could be done with any of it. So even though my stuff was typically quite obviously not as accomplished or even as objectively moving or delightful as other people's music, the whole thing was a richer experience. Plain old "grooving" couldn't compete with critical "creating". But then I had an experience which changed my relationship with my playing and process, and still defines how I relate to it now when I sometimes drag out old tracks for a listen. This was at least 15 years ago. I'd been to a reunion weekend with childhood friends as we gathered to memorialize the mother of one of our gang. It had not gone well; I'd hoped it would be the occasion for some healing of old wounds, but instead it seemed to aggravate them. On the long drive home I took out the disk I'd brought along to show my old buds what I was up to, but had not had an opportunity to play, and found myself playing it over and over as I recognized just how perfectly it was acting to cauterize the painful recent encounters I was obsessively picking over. I could suddenly get what my music-making had been driven by and what it was for: my own emotional health. My development as a musician wasn't at all the real motivation, nor was my output really intended for anybody else. The whole craft/skill issue that I'd imagined was behind my obsessive and extensive home-studio time was nothing compared to the raw "self-expression" that I was engaged in. I saw and heard how other people's music could never be quite as precisely designed for my personal emotional universe as my own creations, no matter how exquisite. Also I could see that playing my tracks for others was the musical equivalent of discribing my dreams; in other words, they were almost always going to be really interesting only to me. Simply being perfectly expressive of myself was no ticket to universal interest, nor was this the royal road to "Art". THAT was bracing--good to know! The dimly recalled quote, from Freud I think, to the effect that if someone could truly succeed in bringing his dreams to life, he would be the perfect artist, seemed to be thoroughly disproved. Or maybe it was simply that journalling isn't art-making; hadn't realized that was all I was really doing. Still sorting that one out, all these years later. And mostly listening to other folks' "real" if necessarily "generalized" or "approximate" music; it bears much more repetition:) Still, there's still no real equivalent to the custom-made audible "medicine" I used to make. I wonder if anybody reading here can relate...? dpc On 28 Jul 2012, at 4:16 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > >> I guess this is a rather odd question but I'm curious. Do you only >> listen to it for improvement? Or do you enjoy listening to yourself >> just as you would listen to an artist you like? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 29 01:06:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0227F183460; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 01:06:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=I5HXMyQQdg/kqSQ2MdECb2wGWGGqOmsbcBiOZJkVCC4=; b=KyqSFG4Nh7XrMUcNCUIkefMUOQ/DgLh1jmUSsxJeh/IHP75yLpF+tC7VEoMwCOz+TL XoSNOuTC72GyqwzUIYo7Fcls6TudEOTkDv2ma0K5o0REemkuXuI5kaPpsLXbj3Jafv/Q wxjPhOx067fjbwv4EJlwujPJwJ3uyQX9O5Nf9y1tiHnNOgcQed4B/RAS8FiSganmqqe4 jUDv4OITW9cJnnnHUHsvhr4NhL72fe/gZ8IJuhGzP4MWWCPJdIbdcHoQKSylNCQIfdos hql+G5QjbnXhBexp8FdzmqN3bJbFJSSix2ck8LJpqDE7ciiETVOZLAI97nsXzcN9FJre YYqw== From: Matthias Grob Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_EB4EF4F4-6825-451D-83D2-2A28B8A2D78D" Subject: Re: Switching Echoloop VST Params Using Ableton Dummy Clips Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 22:06:23 -0300 In-Reply-To: To: Loop List References: <16BF5171-FE7D-4BC1-A199-5398CD597BA9@gmail.com> <50138855-5C29-49F5-8574-AC67F89C88CC@gmail.com> <5013D061.7030704@tiscali.co.uk> <9FCA7A96-3BA4-47D6-92CA-8746D19171D1@gmail.com> <5013FBCB.1020207@tiscali.co.uk> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 01:06:31 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_EB4EF4F4-6825-451D-83D2-2A28B8A2D78D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On 28 Jul 2012, at 5:44 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: >=20 > You are of course correct that the Echoloop is responding to Pgm = Changes, but I could not see that - because the Preset Banks popup menu = does not update to show the current preset when it's being switched = remotely ! (prolly worth a bugfix?) I wonder what menu you talk about=85 the one in the Live Echoloop GUI = works here! in Bidule, the one in the VSTGUI window works too. could it be that you looked at Echoloops Setup menu? that serves for = MIDI and such settings and is not related to Presets >=20 > Digging deeper for testing, i set up 16 distinct presets with Subcycle = values of 1,2,3,4,5 etc... and sending Pgm Changes 0-15 via direct MIDI = was in fact correctly updating params as stored in the presets for the = VST. >=20 > So - halle-freaking-lujah, there is a way. What I *wanted* was a = discrete control for each param I want to change or hit, but upon = inventory it's clear the net of all those is under a dozen basic states = for the VST. So, the preset change works and accomplishes that - and I = get what I need. >=20 > Thanks Andy, Per, Matthias, and everyone else who has suffered through = this thread with me :) great that you are happy with your solution Phil! but let me show the method I suggested and just tested: - in Live's Echoloop thing (their, not our GUI) activate Configure - in our Echoloop GUI, go to MIDI (on the left) and there to Learn = (almost on the right) and select the parameter you want (Quantize, for = example). this makes the parameter Quantize appear in the Live Echoloop = thing - top right you go to MIDI (which is like MIDI learn) - select the Quantize or whatever parameter in Lives Echoloop thing - send the MIDI command to Live - switch off Live's top right MIDI and go to Local in the Echoloop GUI = and verify that it works!=20 --Apple-Mail=_EB4EF4F4-6825-451D-83D2-2A28B8A2D78D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252

You are of = course correct that the Echoloop is responding to Pgm Changes, but I = could not see that - because the Preset Banks popup menu does not update = to show the current preset when it's being switched remotely ! =  (prolly worth a bugfix?)

I = wonder what menu you talk about=85 the one in the Live Echoloop GUI = works here!
in Bidule, the one in the VSTGUI window works = too.
could it be that you looked at Echoloops Setup menu? that = serves for MIDI and such settings and is not related to = Presets

Digging deeper for = testing, i set up 16 distinct presets with Subcycle values of 1,2,3,4,5 = etc... and sending Pgm Changes 0-15 via direct MIDI was in fact = correctly updating params as stored in the presets for the = VST.

So - halle-freaking-lujah, there is a way. What I *wanted* = was a discrete control for each param I want to change or hit, but upon = inventory it's clear the net of all those is under a dozen basic states = for the VST. So, the preset change works and accomplishes that - and I = get what I need.

Thanks Andy, Per, Matthias, and everyone else = who has suffered through this thread with me = :)

great that you are happy with = your solution Phil!
but let me show the method I = suggested and just tested:
- in Live's Echoloop thing = (their, not our GUI) activate Configure
- in our Echoloop GUI, = go to MIDI (on the left) and there to Learn (almost on the right) and = select the parameter you want (Quantize, for example). this makes the = parameter Quantize appear in the Live Echoloop thing
- top = right you go to MIDI (which is like MIDI learn)
- select the = Quantize or whatever parameter in Lives Echoloop thing
- send = the MIDI command to Live
- switch off Live's top right MIDI = and go to Local in the Echoloop GUI and verify that it = works! 

= --Apple-Mail=_EB4EF4F4-6825-451D-83D2-2A28B8A2D78D-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 29 01:32:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF00118345D; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 01:32:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=513nrE68oyoKBppjHcDqNvYn33nb1GiKG7Ox7doGiDc=; b=d83rXS9mZWZIGlctpkSSdXSt9B2USjYtBDlGOzEaVrJkZUHbFYTCxp8xJ7CZC+QgK7 TZ+X9cDL3kNrM77oqM3TpQotNrc6+qDE9of/QJeCqjBBDvRrNdPnxs+Fi7HsV/Zxiwju nDIo7g+UsXPM9RgQ2mxXPvY+3nHOwJoo/aqI1e6rPWQkmsX/XrVvPFOk5hxEOnkIMwAv aCag6loyxl6nyNR9Z9Gp5U5JKnINoxuKKSVhOG2ScKM9dTGU9jz5azU9heqG9SQyL1T+ CWpZz0yXNh5xaha0JdIBaK2F74yhtWazXAMJCTESaj7jNeNOctZ0MyWIkloZ359ZcfVY l3CA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <96FCF579-D69D-4CA5-A506-8B8BD90FDD84@earthlink.net> References: <84118A91-946D-4033-BAF8-491EE753C299@gmail.com> <96FCF579-D69D-4CA5-A506-8B8BD90FDD84@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 18:32:33 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How often do you listen to your own music? From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64c248259ea0b04c5edeb75 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 01:32:34 +0000 (UTC) --0016e64c248259ea0b04c5edeb75 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 David if I understand you correctly I think I know what you feel. For me sometimes I feel like my music is a timeline of my life that only I understand. I look read the titles of songs I created sometimes and think to myself (Wow thats a really cheesy, childish title). Then I realize I was in the very beginning stages if creating my own stuff and at the time those titles are what my naiive undeveloped mind found appropriate. I still consider myself sort of a beginner since Im only 17 but its interesting to listen to your old music and suddenly bring back the emotional memory that you stored in that piece. On Jul 28, 2012 5:39 PM, "David Coffin" wrote: > I occasionally listen, even now years after I've stopped playing > regularly, and still find some of it very satisfying, even incomparable. My > explanation here goes to the implied "why do you listen" part of the > question: > > Back when I was doing music with all my available time and energy, I > listened regularly and in preference to "artists I liked", because my > approach was to simply play as often as possible and to hit record whenever > the constant stream of pure improv seemed to have taken off to somewhere > interesting or surprising. > > So I listened later (usually when commuting) as a natural part of the > editing/evaluating process, and then listened to the edited bits quite a > lot depending on just how much I'd actually surprised or pleased myself, > always with an ear to whether I could somehow improve it, and as a presumed > check on how I was developing. This whole play/grab/listen/edit cycle was > far more interesting and engaging than listening to even the most wonderful > "real" recorded music; my hands were all over it, and much more could be > done with any of it. So even though my stuff was typically quite obviously > not as accomplished or even as objectively moving or delightful as other > people's music, the whole thing was a richer experience. Plain old > "grooving" couldn't compete with critical "creating". > > But then I had an experience which changed my relationship with my playing > and process, and still defines how I relate to it now when I sometimes drag > out old tracks for a listen. > > This was at least 15 years ago. I'd been to a reunion weekend with > childhood friends as we gathered to memorialize the mother of one of our > gang. It had not gone well; I'd hoped it would be the occasion for some > healing of old wounds, but instead it seemed to aggravate them. On the long > drive home I took out the disk I'd brought along to show my old buds what I > was up to, but had not had an opportunity to play, and found myself playing > it over and over as I recognized just how perfectly it was acting to > cauterize the painful recent encounters I was obsessively picking over. > > I could suddenly get what my music-making had been driven by and what it > was for: my own emotional health. My development as a musician wasn't at > all the real motivation, nor was my output really intended for anybody > else. The whole craft/skill issue that I'd imagined was behind my obsessive > and extensive home-studio time was nothing compared to the raw > "self-expression" that I was engaged in. I saw and heard how other people's > music could never be quite as precisely designed for my personal emotional > universe as my own creations, no matter how exquisite. > > Also I could see that playing my tracks for others was the musical > equivalent of discribing my dreams; in other words, they were almost always > going to be really interesting only to me. Simply being perfectly > expressive of myself was no ticket to universal interest, nor was this the > royal road to "Art". THAT was bracing--good to know! The dimly recalled > quote, from Freud I think, to the effect that if someone could truly > succeed in bringing his dreams to life, he would be the perfect artist, > seemed to be thoroughly disproved. Or maybe it was simply that journalling > isn't art-making; hadn't realized that was all I was really doing. Still > sorting that one out, all these years later. And mostly listening to other > folks' "real" if necessarily "generalized" or "approximate" music; it bears > much more repetition:) Still, there's still no real equivalent to the > custom-made audible "medicine" I used to make. > > I wonder if anybody reading here can relate...? > > dpc > > > > On 28 Jul 2012, at 4:16 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > >> >> I guess this is a rather odd question but I'm curious. Do you only >>> listen to it for improvement? Or do you enjoy listening to yourself just as >>> you would listen to an artist you like? >>> >> >> > --0016e64c248259ea0b04c5edeb75 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

David if I understand you correctly I think I know what you feel. For me= sometimes I feel like my music is a timeline of my life that only I unders= tand. I look read the titles of songs I created sometimes and think to myse= lf (Wow thats a really cheesy, childish title). Then I realize I was in the= very beginning stages if creating my own stuff and at the time those title= s are what my naiive undeveloped mind found appropriate. I still consider m= yself sort of a beginner since Im only 17 but its interesting to listen to = your old music and suddenly bring back the emotional memory that you stored= in that piece.

On Jul 28, 2012 5:39 PM, "David Coffin"= ; <dpcoffin@earthlink.net&= gt; wrote:
I occasionally listen, even now years after I've stopped playing regula= rly, and still find some of it very satisfying, even incomparable. My expla= nation here goes to the implied "why do you listen" part of the q= uestion:

Back when I was doing music with all my available time and energy, I listen= ed regularly and in preference to "artists I liked", because my a= pproach was to simply play as often as possible and to hit record whenever = the constant stream of pure improv seemed to have taken off to somewhere in= teresting or surprising.

So I listened later (usually when commuting) as a natural part of the editi= ng/evaluating process, and then listened to the edited bits quite a lot dep= ending on just how much I'd actually surprised or pleased myself, alway= s with an ear to whether I could somehow improve it, and as a presumed chec= k on how I was developing. This whole play/grab/listen/edit cycle was far m= ore interesting and engaging than listening to even the most wonderful &quo= t;real" recorded music; my hands were all over it, and much more could= be done with any of it. So even though my stuff was typically quite obviou= sly not as accomplished or even as objectively moving or delightful as othe= r people's music, the whole thing was a richer experience. Plain old &q= uot;grooving" couldn't compete with critical "creating".=

But then I had an experience which changed my relationship with my playing = and process, and still defines how I relate to it now when I sometimes drag= out old tracks for a listen.

This was at least 15 years ago. I'd been to a reunion weekend with chil= dhood friends as we gathered to memorialize the mother of one of our gang. = It had not gone well; I'd hoped it would be the occasion for some heali= ng of old wounds, but instead it seemed to aggravate them. On the long driv= e home I took out the disk I'd brought along to show my old buds what I= was up to, but had not had an opportunity to play, and found myself playin= g it over and over as I recognized just how perfectly it was acting to caut= erize the painful recent encounters I was obsessively picking over.

I could suddenly get what my music-making had been driven by and what it wa= s for: my own emotional health. My development as a musician wasn't at = all the real motivation, nor was my output really intended for anybody else= . The whole craft/skill issue that I'd imagined was behind my obsessive= and extensive home-studio time was nothing compared to the raw "self-= expression" that I was engaged in. I saw and heard how other people= 9;s music could never be quite as precisely designed for my personal emotio= nal universe as my own creations, no matter how exquisite.

Also I could see that playing my tracks for others was the musical equivale= nt of discribing my dreams; in other words, they were almost always going t= o be really interesting only to me. Simply being perfectly expressive of my= self was no ticket to universal interest, nor was this the royal road to &q= uot;Art". THAT was bracing--good to know! The dimly recalled quote, fr= om Freud I think, to the effect that if someone could truly succeed in brin= ging his dreams to life, he would be the perfect artist, seemed to be thoro= ughly disproved. Or maybe it was simply that journalling isn't art-maki= ng; hadn't realized that was all I was really doing. Still sorting that= one out, all these years later. And mostly listening to other folks' &= quot;real" if necessarily "generalized" or "approximate= " music; it bears much more repetition:) Still, there's still no r= eal equivalent to the custom-made audible "medicine" I used to ma= ke.

I wonder if anybody reading here can relate...?

dpc



On 28 Jul 2012, at 4:16 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote:

I guess this is a rather odd question but I'm curious. Do you only list= en to it for improvement? Or do you enjoy listening to yourself just as you= would listen to an artist you like?


--0016e64c248259ea0b04c5edeb75-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 29 01:40:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50243183461; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 01:40:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3045 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 01:40:22 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=trufun.com; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject; bh=rmUeIPAFhOPH1Y4jdQxpYq7W0p3N+xkQQE5fZg5se1w=; b=sqUERoQrV/MhLX8fG/r0Dx5wbwkFePuyboppge+38SbjxTJ0NfnMcW78vo2x2xjDjAWtz9D8WDm3823tXpqCtaFB8Q8Akom9hGA/ELmmxatoOvte72JFfN06d7UA1uPj; Subject: Re: How often do you listen to your own music? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-143554951 From: David Gans In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 17:49:34 -0700 Cc: David Gans Message-Id: <79682443-43DF-4A69-854D-C61D6E2DDC31@trufun.com> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 01:40:22 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-143554951 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I listen to my own performances to glean useful ideas from the = improvisations and to hear where I can improve. On Jul 28, 2012, at 12:16 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > I guess this is a rather odd question but I'm curious. Do you only = listen to it for improvement? Or do you enjoy listening to yourself just = as you would listen to an artist you like? David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans --Apple-Mail-3-143554951 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I guess this = is a rather odd question but I'm curious. Do you only listen to it for = improvement? Or do you enjoy listening to yourself just as you would = listen to an artist you like?

david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
Truth = and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA = 94610-2730
Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans



= --Apple-Mail-3-143554951-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 29 01:48:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69CD218345B; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 01:48:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=SPTmGZtK7siDvbLULgcKoJAnx7+pFkddWzeFVS71V5n5kld8dcewD0wLwoB1Xtqo; h=Received:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-Id: <5BBD73A6-5917-44AB-B5CA-1E8F89AC8030@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: How often do you listen to your own music? Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 18:48:41 -0700 References: <84118A91-946D-4033-BAF8-491EE753C299@gmail.com> <96FCF579-D69D-4CA5-A506-8B8BD90FDD84@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-ELNK-Trace: 0cf8a1273a73c9ff1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec798630c2456fa378bcec640036a39acc38350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 75.142.16.104 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 01:48:43 +0000 (UTC) "...its interesting to listen to your old music and suddenly bring back the emotional memory that you stored in that piece." Well put! Of course, we all presumably store memories in other folk's well-absorbed music as well; maybe when it's our own music doing the storage, the connection's automatically more complex. dpc On Jul 28, 2012, at 6:32 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > David if I understand you correctly I think I know what you feel. > For me sometimes I feel like my music is a timeline of my life that > only I understand. I look read the titles of songs I created > sometimes and think to myself (Wow thats a really cheesy, childish > title). Then I realize I was in the very beginning stages if > creating my own stuff and at the time those titles are what my > naiive undeveloped mind found appropriate. I still consider myself > sort of a beginner since Im only 17 but its interesting to listen to > your old music and suddenly bring back the emotional memory that you > stored in that piece. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 29 06:35:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CD1D18345C; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 06:35:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=63Az0NAHIU4RrUeP5EKrBX7mOt6Nd8BZxq7EoPG2YMk=; b=m2qfRSx0KB57aUGRPbTbGNUyLgmyzw9z3v/WbOOIJelnZKfp+MKSe1GC6276e5b3rD wXsHFt1tR/gHbieQnMje13X7yqVRG9QWzevEJFmCQ7StUEAgn1TxEf6XGo7EYH4hqq2Z 1HHPPSqbLCUHWliQm93c0M6jq48O2Bj4zks9ptdyjdFtMO+lUS9HkmnMFipg8aRa5RJr Cf9DOqsrzyVJGY/9MnerhRtXp1Hc6lO4t8lgB3F+iqCWcWgjTnZkQrP9ZjUrKGRSAF9e 5ly+Cn3ekmRuHtxIvr4ikPjnUSpBRBj+4wW9XVny6DksfjlH2E83P9kcGepcKszaQRgV GjIw== From: Matthias Grob Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_344E8101-F006-4283-9CC4-5F20760DB059" Subject: Re: How often do you listen to your own music? Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 03:35:31 -0300 In-Reply-To: <96FCF579-D69D-4CA5-A506-8B8BD90FDD84@earthlink.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <84118A91-946D-4033-BAF8-491EE753C299@gmail.com> <96FCF579-D69D-4CA5-A506-8B8BD90FDD84@earthlink.net> Message-Id: <255B9D7A-251D-4373-883C-874B7DBB912F@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 06:35:38 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_344E8101-F006-4283-9CC4-5F20760DB059 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 great David! I started looping to create a background for my exercises to cure my = back pain and even a year later I kept saying that it was not music, just a sound = carpet but when I came to Rio and played with Marcio Miranda, I felt it turned = into music and I started feeling the mission to cure people with it.=20 I played for therapy and even in hospital (which did not work out = because too many different people needed too different music) and = claimed that I was able to channel music for listeners but when my wife did not want me any more, I stayed for 3 days in my = room looping and came out ready for new life. =20 and when I wrote the manual for the LOOP delay, I added a chapter "self = therapy" http://www.livelooping.org/methods/playing-hints/#hint16 (which Gibson then did not adopt for the Echoplex, calling it "loop = religion") later when the fanatism passed, I had big doubts again whether I really = felt the public or simply had an impression about them... but certainly, its a big difference to play alone and to play for = listeners! and I suspect that many artists that entered history had the impression = they were doing "journaling" as you call it! a very personal story can = become relevant for humanity, independent of the intention=85 On 28 Jul 2012, at 9:22 PM, David Coffin wrote: >=20 > I could suddenly get what my music-making had been driven by and what = it was for: my own emotional health. My development as a musician wasn't = at all the real motivation, nor was my output really intended for = anybody else. The whole craft/skill issue that I'd imagined was behind = my obsessive and extensive home-studio time was nothing compared to the = raw "self-expression" that I was engaged in. I saw and heard how other = people's music could never be quite as precisely designed for my = personal emotional universe as my own creations, no matter how = exquisite. >=20 > Also I could see that playing my tracks for others was the musical = equivalent of discribing my dreams; in other words, they were almost = always going to be really interesting only to me. Simply being perfectly = expressive of myself was no ticket to universal interest, nor was this = the royal road to "Art". THAT was bracing--good to know! The dimly = recalled quote, from Freud I think, to the effect that if someone could = truly succeed in bringing his dreams to life, he would be the perfect = artist, seemed to be thoroughly disproved. Or maybe it was simply that = journalling isn't art-making; hadn't realized that was all I was really = doing. Still sorting that one out, all these years later. And mostly = listening to other folks' "real" if necessarily "generalized" or = "approximate" music; it bears much more repetition:) Still, there's = still no real equivalent to the custom-made audible "medicine" I used to = make. >=20 > I wonder if anybody reading here can relate...? >=20 > dpc >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 28 Jul 2012, at 4:16 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: >>=20 >>> I guess this is a rather odd question but I'm curious. Do you only = listen to it for improvement? Or do you enjoy listening to yourself just = as you would listen to an artist you like? >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_344E8101-F006-4283-9CC4-5F20760DB059 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 great = David!

I started looping to create a background for = my exercises to cure my back pain
and even a year later I kept = saying that it was not music, just a sound carpet
but when I = came to Rio and played with Marcio Miranda, I felt it turned into = music
and I started feeling the mission to cure people with = it. 
I played for therapy and even in hospital (which did = not work out because too many different people needed too different = music) and claimed that I was able to channel music for = listeners
but when my wife did not want me any more, I stayed = for 3 days in my room looping and came out ready for new life. =  
and when I wrote the manual for the LOOP delay, I added = a chapter "self therapy"
(which = Gibson then did not adopt for the Echoplex, calling it "loop = religion")

later when the fanatism passed, I = had big doubts again whether I really felt the public or simply had an = impression about them...

but certainly, its a = big difference to play alone and to play for = listeners!

and I suspect that many artists that = entered history had the impression they were doing "journaling" as you = call it! a very personal story can become relevant for humanity, = independent of the intention=85


On = 28 Jul 2012, at 9:22 PM, David Coffin wrote:

I could suddenly get what my music-making = had been driven by and what it was for: my own emotional health. My = development as a musician wasn't at all the real motivation, nor was my = output really intended for anybody else. The whole craft/skill issue = that I'd imagined was behind my obsessive and extensive home-studio time = was nothing compared to the raw "self-expression" that I was engaged in. = I saw and heard how other people's music could never be quite as = precisely designed for my personal emotional universe as my own = creations, no matter how exquisite.

Also I could see that playing = my tracks for others was the musical equivalent of discribing my dreams; = in other words, they were almost always going to be really interesting = only to me. Simply being perfectly expressive of myself was no ticket to = universal interest, nor was this the royal road to "Art". THAT was = bracing--good to know! The dimly recalled quote, from Freud I think, to = the effect that if someone could truly succeed in bringing his dreams to = life, he would be the perfect artist, seemed to be thoroughly disproved. = Or maybe it was simply that journalling isn't art-making; hadn't = realized that was all I was really doing. Still sorting that one out, = all these years later. And mostly listening to other folks' "real" if = necessarily "generalized" or "approximate" music; it bears much more = repetition:) Still, there's still no real equivalent to the custom-made = audible "medicine" I used to make.

I wonder if anybody reading = here can relate...?

dpc



On 28 Jul 2012, at 4:16 = PM, kay'lon rushing wrote:

I guess this is a rather odd question but I'm curious. Do = you only listen to it for improvement? Or do you enjoy listening to = yourself just as you would listen to an artist you = like?



= --Apple-Mail=_344E8101-F006-4283-9CC4-5F20760DB059-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 29 09:59:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DD3F18345E; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 09:59:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5015098B.6010903@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 02:59:39 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Re: How often do you listen to your own music? References: <1343507881.53466.YahooMailNeo@web122401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1343507881.53466.YahooMailNeo@web122401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 09:59:35 +0000 (UTC) Once I've really finished a piece, I tend not to listen to it at all for a long, long time. This has changed in a couple of circumstances in the last few years, however, as I'm self consciously trying to make a video for almost everything I compose, musically (except for singer/songwriter or pop material). Also, I'm contemplating a project called Self Plagiarism where I'm going back to music I recorded a long time ago (and before my forays into electronic music and live looping) and trying to find interesting loops out of that material to compose new material. I figure I don't have to worry about sample rights if I own the material. Because of that, I'm going back and systematically listening to tracks I've recorded over the last 30 years to find things that are interesting to me, still. Just yesterday, I took a track that my brother Bill and I played with the original incarnation of Worlds Collide.... a track called Silent Spring and slowed the entire track down about 25%. The whole track is really beautiful played like this.................a simple remix but a nice one. I'll post that soon (it was co-written by Gary Regina, Kevin Moore and Ernie Provencher, Bill and Myself) and is on the CD, "Everything's Changing in the Global Village", a 1990 release as memory serves. I think it is particularly efficacious to finish a mix and then come back a week later and listen to it 'cold' so that you have some objective distance from the actual making, mixing and mastering process which can get quite obsessive and , consequently, musically 'myopic'. rick walker > *Subject:* How often do you listen to your own music? > > I guess this is a rather odd question but I'm curious. Do you only > listen to it for improvement? Or do you enjoy listening to yourself > just as you would listen to an artist you like? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 29 10:51:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CDFF18345E; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 10:51:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <50151591.70104@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 06:50:57 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Galactic Travels Playlist #796 for July 12, 2012. References: <500175BC.5070107@soundscapes.us> <8949356.286.1342308823870.JavaMail.root@m08> In-Reply-To: <8949356.286.1342308823870.JavaMail.root@m08> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 10:51:10 +0000 (UTC) On 7/14/12 7:27 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > > i seem to miss this every week. How can i tune into this from Calfornia? > I include listening information with every playlist and pre-show promo message. Now that WDIY has a totally revamped website, there is a button on EVERY page for listening. The button is located in the top left corner. Cheers, Bill > On Jul 14, 2012 6:36 AM, "Bill Fox" > wrote: > > Show #797 July 12, 2012. > WDIY Playlist: > http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels?playlist_date=07-12-2012 > ... > ======================================================================== > Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music > show, > Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and > Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in > Trexlertown and Fogelsville. 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Somethin' real. Somethin= ' *you* felt. Cause I'm telling you right now, that's the kind of song peop= le want to hear. That's the kind of song that truly saves people. It ain't = got nothin to do with believin' in God, Mr. Cash. It has to do with believi= n' in yourself. Sam Phillips, "Walk the Line" ---1846104760-1943954073-1343561795=:96210 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm doing = some recording and getting grief with the noise coming from the my DL4 swit= ches & thinking about replacing them with something silent.

I've found this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DaEDB= rT63khQ

For those that have replaced their switche= s, do this look right?


ted h

 
Or would = you sing somethin' different. Somethin' real. Somethin' *you* felt. Cause I= 'm telling you right now, that's the kind of song people want to hear. That= 's the kind of song that truly saves people. It ain't got nothin to do with= believin' in God, Mr. Cash. It has to do with believin' in yourself. Sam= Phillips, "Walk the Line"
---1846104760-1943954073-1343561795=:96210-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 29 11:52:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05560183452; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 11:52:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ht3JtHK4VBBUbU9gGih6V2kGkM3RDsO/On0hx2+A5GtJz8qsqiE2Gdl0sga/GgLo; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1343561795.96210.YahooMailNeo@web162901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1343561795.96210.YahooMailNeo@web162901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 07:52:12 -0400 To: ditch wrestler , Loopers Delight From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: replacing dl4 switches Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79ad9908ce8b88c1452edd7fb03b870ff7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 11:52:58 +0000 (UTC) That video is idiotic. The "switches" in the DL-4 *are* silent. It's the metal plungers / actuators that make the noise. A small o-ring around each should eliminate the metal on metal "click"... At 04:36 -0700 29/7/12, ditch wrestler wrote: >I'm doing some recording and getting grief with the noise coming >from the my DL4 switches & thinking about replacing them with >something silent. > >I've found this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEDBrT63khQ > >For those that have replaced their switches, do this look right? > > >ted h > > > >Or would you sing somethin' different. Somethin' real. Somethin' >*you* felt. Cause I'm telling you right now, that's the kind of song >people want to hear. That's the kind of song that truly saves >people. It ain't got nothin to do with believin' in God, Mr. Cash. >It has to do with believin' in yourself. Sam Phillips, "Walk the >Line" -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 29 12:01:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F17A218345E; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 12:01:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <50152615.90709@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 05:01:25 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthias Grob CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: How often do you listen to your own music? References: <255B9D7A-251D-4373-883C-874B7DBB912F@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <255B9D7A-251D-4373-883C-874B7DBB912F@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 12:01:22 +0000 (UTC) On 7/28/12 11:35 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: > I started looping to create a background for my exercises to cure my > back pain > and even a year later I kept saying that it was not music, just a > sound carpet > but when I came to Rio and played with Marcio Miranda, I felt it > turned into music > and I started feeling the mission to cure people with it. > I played for therapy and even in hospital (which did not work out > because too many different people needed too different music) and > claimed that I was able to channel music for listeners > but when my wife did not want me any more, I stayed for 3 days in my > room looping and came out ready for new life. > and when I wrote the manual for the LOOP delay, I added a chapter > "self therapy" > http://www.livelooping.org/methods/playing-hints/#hint16 > (which Gibson then did not adopt for the Echoplex, calling it "loop > religion") *I love hearing you tell this story, Matthias. These are the spiritual origins of live looping and I'm so thankful that you made that journey (whether Gibson put that chapter in the manual or not). So much of that journey has impacted my life and music and I know the lives of countless other artists in this movement. love, respect and deep appreciation, Rick Walker * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 29 13:38:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 708CD18345E; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 13:38:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 729544.1298.bm@omp1058.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1343569124; bh=Kpnuvvt6UaRbEgNoRKnvey2MBbQzfst6oHJwJ0BhzEM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MZn6kcgU13HKOcHkLWrfSK1L2jYIWUY4T7B++mtsIgECuHyuPH//SBM2O9YLIuptfFE4p2OMgtWQITsOxobWE+VAGIer3uN+w4PJPO/b51P/5sRvbvV9/W8zBQ024a1ldxhYfqBDkRECJZS85UHKFAIEFdBzw6xBCClBfxYWxZQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=zlDRZoFcDk4v7syxltS/ZML73OqMAWrsFFtBI974pLeDbSDI+/3tpNVYn+VISc4iJOix//FMR/+8FcjUpirLea3K/FpPQZgMkDZDlMfCOQL5zyWgnX/gOBw2cWouYsK2GEssxQTpyiH1leyhbe8kVpemGBCRNE8l0nJqQCVpDB8=; X-YMail-OSG: 8gGM.yoVM1kXFeEno19yxeyHMZaK4Jl7VXVAMEJIE6Blec_ zEFItu3K62GhefYGBvNRh4icdl_rJtfSoObTvM3.t54yL86tM5cAltX0GHbE vyuXu7PaH_HxVCwvmvopRRwD_UZ_ZSUA7_fKb0MWZ2loBN82EezRwYMI7myY zXNDchyhsdesXFQT0pLYh3IUBHGY2DP8Y.Li8.turIwIQXUSlmax9lpyE2i8 79yoAYnpch9uhLkboQVV19TS9.O2_vkSmhz8QTUkHCUH4XhrDbbnAZv6HOs1 pgxPDpiUawRFPhO_HOABwtIfNeNNOJ5xZ9O0eK8upc8A7Y22YBAO8XCympa1 nKCu5TIqx8VXJW4KYlOmWIMNlkO_VtLC372No87Ds5hMp6T.8mnwqHBPIOuV mP18AxEwLCc7_CQz7DsYrxa_esj5hBxCejfe2Pmg5Hj6_54QQ9MRo6zXK7lH Um9rm4h_6STRfYXmWDx8vYf2U9o.cw3cvUlL4BDBmUcQf0JuNpgBuecn5NTW Tdi1VnE_pgY2X1b3_DjZYw9oODMAvjdDCK7DUE0CX6_GS49K86ORDkdZC5s_ ieBoiWua9UN73aOqfeYzaJf.bvzTc.grXsz1dG8ghWkykYsG_.x3AH3ruvph 2RmUTkrmCnxjN3W_31PCauo3m0721pw.K3a2bN.eMLVd.HOfmVFZ0eQu3UwQ FsuDd7KfUIq7I24Za1NnXIwzMnuT3CY.sI9matgyH4fP_V0TC4wW3X3ozXRK RQ5hugKElZhqiZw-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: Message-ID: <1343569124.92317.YahooMailNeo@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 06:38:44 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: How often do you listen to your own music? To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-820900331-803171799-1343569124=:92317" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 13:38:46 +0000 (UTC) ---820900331-803171799-1343569124=:92317 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I tend to listen to newly made music for 2 to 3 weeks. It allows me to pick= out all the garbage that was recorded. My music partner thinks it's all go= od, bad notes, etc. Then I put it away. After =A06 months or so, I pull it = out again, and most of it don't sound so bad. Our method has always been pl= aying in real time to stereo tape. My partner cannot tolerate music that re= quires effort. My early stuff, before we met, is sill listenable, and I lis= ten to it every other month or so. I have moved 200 miles from my collabora= tor, and am determined to make music that is intended, rather than jamming = along looking for happy accidents. Not that I would not welcome them of cou= rse, I'm sure happy accidents serve a =A0larger role in original music comp= osition than most people realize.=0ARig=0A=0A=0A___________________________= _____=0A From: kay'lon rushing =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loo= pers-delight.com =0ASent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 12:16 PM=0ASubject: How o= ften do you listen to your own music?=0A =0A=0AI guess this is a rather odd= question but I'm curious. Do you only listen to it for improvement? 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I tend to = listen to newly made music for 2 to 3 weeks. It allows me to pick out all t= he garbage that was recorded. My music partner thinks it's all good, bad no= tes, etc. Then I put it away. After  6 months or so, I pull it out aga= in, and most of it don't sound so bad. Our method has always been playing i= n real time to stereo tape. My partner cannot tolerate music that requires = effort. My early stuff, before we met, is sill listenable, and I listen to = it every other month or so. I have moved 200 miles from my collaborator, an= d am determined to make music that is intended, rather than jamming along l= ooking for happy accidents. Not that I would not welcome them of course, I'= m sure happy accidents serve a  larger role in original music composit= ion than most people realize.
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---820900331-803171799-1343569124=:92317-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 29 14:11:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A68F18345C; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 14:11:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Q7PZMVfFtTQTtWWnDs4EV6PrfTNy2ooeO636iGmAqyg=; b=pwgv6tDhFMrOa/5loie+i7HSfSCznXih0uXUhhtlJtjwXiykGXXihO/kpqDirfsKpG R9DxXcciWqt9EQPFmTY5Y131nx+10XYqeqSEVDBG0h1IH+CeVgciA4xP7Pl/n3XHqe3k aZ/VvjzJR47bTFWV5eLzG8fe5CNMzEOZxXiBGI8KyWd3Avl3TONOKQgS69mlwGesMeEM JtxocyjbPS1s6qDaTV7AqaCHe/hYoNNhJ8jgUcpu+cDPFSe0Q6M3FQXEUylku3OXBPgq cAm9KiMcLEP4wAZA4oh1m65FSCwzJwWRCpYSfR472Vw9n8SFLkzo1daQ9YiOa2l5WQ2D Ol3g== Message-ID: <50154477.8080807@googlemail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 16:11:03 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How often do you listen to your own music? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 14:11:08 +0000 (UTC) These are the threads its worthwhile to read this list from time to time...;-) Am 28.07.12 21:16, schrieb kay'lon rushing: > I guess this is a rather odd question but I'm curious. Do you only > listen to it for improvement? Or do you enjoy listening to yourself just > as you would listen to an artist you like? I often record my performances, which are always totally free improvs. But then I do not find the time to listen to them, though, if I do I am mostly surprised and like it. Sometimes I had thrown a file into itunes, didn't listen to it, and later by accident, after I listened to something else, I hear music I really enjoy and wonder who made it... This makes me think its good what I do. Something, I am not always sure about while improvising in front of an audience. At least I am able to surprise myself... Conclusion: I should listen more often to my own music, though it might be even better to just play again, instead of celebrating the past...;-) Stefan -- Les Ondes Memorielles--------x-- -_____-----------|-----------|-- -(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- - _|_)----|-----()-------------- ---------()----------TJ Shredder http://tjshredder.wordpress.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 29 14:24:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D09D918345C; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 14:24:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=kxXjtdGWp3hmvFKNFOfsnQzfpwme6rfxuhAvZ+kDMAY=; b=IS4iSzQTiwrP9bHP0RVKZCrMhufXIWjY3fqeYEWV+leIoBE5gcuE7dTWVTTFZIBIcl ee1HI3RdRQNIgY/F61DNW5e+b0hb3LflereW+aYWWNGT9ggoZT6hogzgsWJnn4YoQxNC pU9GHpIbcbFqFxrQlusg3IxRwuFqj+y+3jdXvK8XTWURq++hRBTVcuDiKZnfC21z3kLc BnoWMTzLXEqR7ycTrIwQAy6idAC2xYQjzdM5f2TSes1EgUNkkFibjurCgc0pv//Rmo0P 9xHEWaSx7tSMvYBooN4UcRUf9X02rJPtyW52NPs0o3xMUoMouXX0v798CwL79esvoYzx on3Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <50152615.90709@cruzio.com> References: <255B9D7A-251D-4373-883C-874B7DBB912F@gmail.com> <50152615.90709@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 16:24:12 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: How often do you listen to your own music? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 14:24:13 +0000 (UTC) > On 7/28/12 11:35 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: >> >> and when I wrote the manual for the LOOP delay, I added a chapter "self >> therapy" >> http://www.livelooping.org/methods/playing-hints/#hint16 That's an attitude any art would benefit from! Do you remember when we toured here in Sweden in 2003 and you played a "therapy drone mantra improvisation" at that country roadhouse and those physiotherapists got so excited that one guy said he was now going to start looping and maybe use it with patients as well. You were in the zone right there. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 29 15:26:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E72618345B; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 15:26:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=afXG1ZgicwWLXHNE59PDzK2ix2WuKWZeZodsXY1vGAs=; b=vuJ7ngfU6VKobDz9rY0Z5FTuWGZw05ad/dh3oqY/WEzyrXfkDFfZHOCnryLKNwOJKn 7OC9r3sc1QpMcsqRD87Xtozm2qrcbQnsCGioasYxpZP1QQTdAgaGwwiG2YX6/gmHav3p qnSX+j7EhkpmvnyXRQatgh9soBtjjHsQ8u6euBRKP6CF6d/ycmNp8reKXzphAe7OOI+H iLHfiGmi0C8uLa0a9HKyKimkDRZyJtUxWhAh9kfBPsUWbD2M1/bvmA2w+GnZxvpy46zk L5tgIEsvutYV54n/X4ulzmW7zmgImo+UOWVs+ARajcqvKtz8hoU+WkOl5CQST1fzeSW2 8lHg== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Subject: Re: How often do you listen to your own music? From: Matthias Grob In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 12:26:14 -0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <88A13013-653B-4BC7-BCC2-B663989D669E@gmail.com> References: <255B9D7A-251D-4373-883C-874B7DBB912F@gmail.com> <50152615.90709@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 15:26:25 +0000 (UTC) On 29 Jul 2012, at 11:24 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> On 7/28/12 11:35 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: >>>=20 >>> and when I wrote the manual for the LOOP delay, I added a chapter = "self >>> therapy" >>> http://www.livelooping.org/methods/playing-hints/#hint16 >=20 >=20 > That's an attitude any art would benefit from! Do you remember I do not! > when we > toured here in Sweden in 2003 and you played a "therapy drone mantra > improvisation" at that country roadhouse and those physiotherapists > got so excited that one guy said he was now going to start looping and > maybe use it with patients as well. You were in the zone right there. youhou, thank you for telling this story! sad is: 10 years went by and I did not do it again (or at least, I do = not remember hahaha) >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 29 16:07:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 148AC18345A; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 16:07:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20120728081626.27373.36442.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 09:07:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Violet Xoxox Subject: Re: What can blind and visually impaired loopers do? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 16:07:28 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: >> Hello! Correct me if I'm wrong, > >I think you are wrong and will now correct you. Long ago a blind >keyboard player came out on this list. I don't remember his name (hey >- maybe he is reading this? Feel free to chime in if so) but he is >French and played for a while with Jon Hassell. Let's not forget longtime list member and looper, Cara Quinn. She's still here (she pops in and out, but posted several times in April and May). Cara stands out for me not because she's visually-impaired, but because she's one of the few chicas on the list. Plus she actually met Kim at one of the first looping festivals! :) Like a lot of looping artists, she uses a variety of equipment, but she's mentioned that she uses the EDP more than anything else when looping with other people. Violet xoxox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 29 16:58:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7588E18345B; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 16:58:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 351561.32483.bm@omp1031.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1343581131; bh=W/TMmV32P7m6ZbkUhVNw6Nzfui/qRfIBoSCWwsvDPyw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=6qFSAbe4DX4Z9nYmz8HssVyLNerHLaVlxHqy/FcAHAfPhwZ3ORGdq+PUVjGFbqsYGp9X9t+x0TotIKmyoeypQBvAoqsfo6anH2jqY+obnP97DVhMra6jjWHLdngtW91J4loE0d0sc0ymH+qsKNRyAYUfUOKtbxG43y0o3H6m82E= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=c+65tkDVhvJQ37AfHEkVNk3qDOjKc7Yh2RPKuCL68gqv/K4aTWHrdh2tAM1OfSWHu/799X3kUnGhHjLLmI4CYAApRXtySNE4mumFysivuYrJc9vGBMb5SCPFIdb/mfdH8Y0tYB5O/3C1W1g4WiLgX8XbzeFcESCv5+oCJz4PYZE=; X-YMail-OSG: SCkQ8eoVM1klH0VN6SCn8ARPs9wMqrVXH7bdMHhYizMN6ld g60E07_KpUEyC1RQ.AOVdZAduIID2tRnIlYzvvTSBVTpewXEJBpgeVlVpOzX W4eHM8HJwOiGuu3PQ2Nd8tmrAEb.EjXvbCojLQ3nREIXqJAQCU5UlwQn9CNB _Pwe7cgNc.gL.aA7zOiax1WP.0aHTdkigowM3X0.ulBRzxJq6wOb4g8BNEyF lXvpnPrCorT24dgskgKCfgTsBE9GXF77My1ontML4JPlJG8IFbC5OawcV0Lp AV6OYpc0gesoTJgJrLyvg70aECa2lIu1dn3S5oE5nfNvdnO5xzCsyCXpO6H9 GXvXdhkFBcGZWnlk6_IskrP_8zmBi0bZIRwd4VS26EwaBece7ofPDQquUXJR gy558WWRcJAt5OH5klDO8xodII0sbiFyRVzmPISyCcXGXjggbDGeg8bIwmEW EZVYVw.xaoJrq6rVhiEzmKh4pyGNWxYl2VdkBDWnrkxcdnKMuweg- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: <255B9D7A-251D-4373-883C-874B7DBB912F@gmail.com> <50152615.90709@cruzio.com> <88A13013-653B-4BC7-BCC2-B663989D669E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1343581131.22238.YahooMailNeo@web122402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 09:58:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Reply-To: Paul Richards Subject: Re: How often do you listen to your own music? To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <88A13013-653B-4BC7-BCC2-B663989D669E@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1494295045-525592396-1343581131=:22238" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 16:58:52 +0000 (UTC) --1494295045-525592396-1343581131=:22238 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Getting back to=A0aspects of the original question....I usually place my=A0= improvisations on CD as well as convert the waves to mps and place in my li= brary. This leads to having a lot of CD's (some without proper labeling). I= often distribute CD's to close friends for comments. I've gotten in the ha= bit of enabling my Zoom R24 (which is, IMHO, an amazingly powerful device) = and/or a portable digital recorder for posterity's sake prior to looping/pe= rforming. =0A=A0=0AI know the artists whose music I admire the most and, wh= ile I don't feel I can do their music justice as far as performing or reint= erpreting the music, I like my recent music as much or at least 'almost' as= much. It's rather more difficult playing all the instruments in a one man = band than having a bassist, drummer, percussionist, etc. and I don't have t= he 'studio time' to tweak & tweak the music to get everything perfect (due = to my day job). =0A=A0=0AI've=A0recently become addicted to the Palladia ch= annel on cable/satellite TV and, while I=A0've heard many bands I had not a= ctually heard before and can appreciate, I've also noted the number of band= s that, at least to=A0my ears, leave a lot to be desired. I keep thinking "= I should be playing out if these goobers are". :) --1494295045-525592396-1343581131=:22238 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Getting back to&= nbsp;aspects of the original question....I usually place my improvisat= ions on CD as well as convert the waves to mps and place in my library. Thi= s leads to having a lot of CD's (some without proper labeling). I often dis= tribute CD's to close friends for comments. I've gotten in the habit of ena= bling my Zoom R24 (which is, IMHO, an amazingly powerful device) and/or a p= ortable digital recorder for posterity's sake prior to looping/performing. =
 
I know the artists whose music I admire the mos= t and, while I don't feel I can do their music justice as far as performing= or reinterpreting the music, I like my recent music as much or at least 'a= lmost' as much. It's rather more difficult playing all the instruments in a= one man band than having a bassist, drummer, percussionist, etc. and I don't have the 'studio time' to tweak & tweak the music to get every= thing perfect (due to my day job).
 
I've re= cently become addicted to the Palladia channel on cable/satellite TV and, w= hile I 've heard many bands I had not actually heard before and can ap= preciate, I've also noted the number of bands that, at least to my ear= s, leave a lot to be desired. I keep thinking "I should be playing out if t= hese goobers are". :)



 
  
= --1494295045-525592396-1343581131=:22238-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 29 17:09:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F37B918345B; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:09:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=XRC8r8sgTATLKSax+BwfN9OxN0xoqlRNidC4jrFWKuo+FLdmRHBxVpt4/XfTQKH0; h=Received:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-Id: From: David Coffin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <255B9D7A-251D-4373-883C-874B7DBB912F@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-520-202352492 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: How often do you listen to your own music? Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 10:09:32 -0700 References: <84118A91-946D-4033-BAF8-491EE753C299@gmail.com> <96FCF579-D69D-4CA5-A506-8B8BD90FDD84@earthlink.net> <255B9D7A-251D-4373-883C-874B7DBB912F@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-ELNK-Trace: 0cf8a1273a73c9ff1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79d76d85f7b83f817e685259d6659cb377350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 75.142.16.104 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:09:34 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-520-202352492 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Jul 28, 2012, at 11:35 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: > and I suspect that many artists that entered history had the =20 > impression they were doing "journaling" as you call it! a very =20 > personal story can become relevant for humanity, independent of the =20= > intention=85 Absolutely agree, Matthias; well said! Ted K. replied off-list to my over-long story and it seems relevant =20 (given some of these later posts) to share a bit of our exchange. He =20 said, in part: > I was saddened to read what (I think) you seemed to be saying...that =20= > you'd stopped doing the music (more-or-less) because you came to the =20= > conclusion that you were only doing it only for yourself - for your =20= > own mental health - and to you (maybe) this was somehow unworthy. ... > I know full well that I do all the weird "creative" things that I =20 > do, writing, image-making, music/noise-making, entirely out of an =20 > internal need of some sort. ... > But I really think the world needs every single one of its artists, =20= > musicians, writers, poets, prophets and visionaries...yes, crazy =20 > people most of them. ... To which I replied: Hey, Ted Thanks for your thoughtful reply! But not to worry; I agree with you =20 completely, ... and I didn't stop my guitar journalling until many =20 years later, due to the combination of renewed interest in painting =20 (main reason) and increasing hand pain from playing (minor, but =20 aggravated by playing less frequently). The journalling, not art-=20 making judgment is self-imposed, of course, and I realize artists are =20= rarely the best critics of their own work; it comes from acknowledging =20= my persistent disinterest in confronting technical, craft deficiencies =20= with my music in favor of more or less pure emotional indulgence. Not =20= at all nec. a bad thing; I'm not sneering at journalling, and I =20 definitely got some gold from it; the medicine worked while the magic =20= lasted! But as I achieved increasing levels of manual fluency, my lack =20= of discipline did become an increasing problem, leading to ever more =20 hours of formulaic noodling and much rarer strikes of gold... I loved Matthias' remark: "...later it became cleaner and smarter, but =20= more routine=85" I never really got smarter, but certainly found the =20 routine harder and harder to avoid, until painting revived itself. And =20= now I find similar issues coming up with that, but also a greater =20 willingness to deal with them. I just read a nice line in a =20 watercolorist's how-I-paint book: "This isn't a how-to book; that =20 would imply that I KNOW how-to!" He goes on to develop the idea that =20 thinking you know how to paint is almost certain to be the end of good =20= painting. The unknown is always where we should be trying go, and =20 turning unknowns into knowns seems to just mean we have to keep on =20 moving, since staying with knowns is like dying... And each new level =20= of mystery seems to be more obscure, and more demanding, than the last. dpc --Apple-Mail-520-202352492 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Jul 28, = 2012, at 11:35 PM, Matthias Grob wrote:

and I suspect = that many artists that entered history had the impression they were = doing "journaling" as you call it! a very personal story can become = relevant for humanity, independent of the = intention=85


Absolutely = agree, Matthias; well said!

Ted K. replied off-list = to my over-long story and it seems relevant (given some of these later = posts) to share a bit of our exchange. He said, in = part:

I was saddened = to read what (I think) you seemed to be saying...that you'd stopped = doing the music (more-or-less) because you came to the conclusion that = you were only doing it only for yourself - for your own mental health - = and to you (maybe) this was somehow unworthy. = ... 

I know full well = that I do all the weird "creative" things that I do, writing, = image-making, music/noise-making, entirely out of an internal need of = some sort. ... 

But I = really think the world needs every single one of its artists, musicians, = writers, poets, prophets and visionaries...yes, crazy people most of = them. ...

To which I = replied:

Hey, Ted

Thanks for your = thoughtful reply! But not to worry; I agree with you completely, ... and = I didn't stop my guitar journalling until many years later, due to the = combination of renewed interest in painting (main reason) and increasing = hand pain from playing (minor, but aggravated by playing less = frequently). The journalling, not art-making judgment is self-imposed, = of course, and I realize artists are rarely the best critics of their = own work; it comes from acknowledging my persistent disinterest in = confronting technical, craft deficiencies with my music in favor of more = or less pure emotional indulgence. Not at all nec. a bad thing; I'm not = sneering at journalling, and I definitely got some gold from it; the = medicine worked while the magic lasted! But as I achieved increasing = levels of manual fluency, my lack of discipline did become an increasing = problem, leading to ever more hours of formulaic noodling and much rarer = strikes of gold...

I loved Matthias' remark: "...later it became = cleaner and smarter, but more routine=85" I never really got smarter, = but certainly found the routine harder and harder to avoid, until = painting revived itself. And now I find similar issues coming up with = that, but also a greater willingness to deal with them. I just read a = nice line in a watercolorist's how-I-paint book: "This isn't a how-to = book; that would imply that I KNOW how-to!" He goes on to develop the = idea that thinking you know how to paint is almost certain to be the end = of good painting. The unknown is always where we should be trying go, = and turning unknowns into knowns seems to just mean we have to keep on = moving, since staying with knowns is like dying... And each new level of = mystery seems to be more obscure, and more demanding, than the = last.

dpc


= --Apple-Mail-520-202352492-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 29 17:14:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A06818345D; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:14:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xGc9hgAFl/AmakHzEDVPpChBOUFaBvjJk6SWGdxSdlc=; b=g9E/SAin/yW9EXDRAQzY8l7CoJzCX3awZG6AliyFWMon2Z+42ecw3PuQGfEPUFDR6z u8P56ii9Tq0/k032FZrwEwwaJueNG0r64aXbt9WJeSzbvmq7xczIGihKBXF7AtR/txRx 2l8m4xo/I3GdVUreQoXAns1fa5vczcOuaPflCfzrAKSff4ZZc0NXgvfYYSCyMzGfRrp7 YMRop8lMy9tyui/qRE4Ld+krS2K9tInASw2OHMhMNDtQyDiiea3zWmkvcOrL1icma3rM lJ8RBJSyxcmN7NJXzhgWxOjXWau81R58wqzz6r9ovwbAiZb2LMHyrO5ZYdge4bOVGoeT 7j2w== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20120728081626.27373.36442.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 13:14:40 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What can blind and visually impaired loopers do? From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <09ucC.A.ATG.A-WFQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:14:40 +0000 (UTC) Violet I'm glad you brought to mind. Cara, I thought of her yesterday and started to post but didn't. Kudos to you... Jim On 7/29/12, Violet Xoxox wrote: > Per Boysen wrote: >>> Hello! Correct me if I'm wrong, >> >>I think you are wrong and will now correct you. Long ago a blind >>keyboard player came out on this list. I don't remember his name (hey >>- maybe he is reading this? Feel free to chime in if so) but he is >>French and played for a while with Jon Hassell. > > Let's not forget longtime list member and looper, Cara Quinn. She's stil= l > here (she pops in and out, but posted several times in April and May). > > Cara stands out for me not because she's visually-impaired, but because > she's one of the few chicas on the list. Plus she actually met Kim at on= e > of the first looping festivals! :) > > Like a lot of looping artists, she uses a variety of equipment, but she's > mentioned that she uses the EDP more than anything else when looping with > other people. > > Violet > xoxox > > --=20 Sent from my mobile device --=20 *jimgoodin.com* - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minimalism' *The Recordings of Wood and Wire Music* - 'Organically inspired New Music' *From Brooklyn To Glindran *, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 29 17:44:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCBE418345E; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:44:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=uqM6GhIZdDWLEumxwka9MDrCju+/UiSxLZAPK7X86Xw=; b=PBhwiPTPGXXlcEbXWcXpkJT1f10XDECvwXoQkvJBclh7rqK4U7B3I0DLi9wqyEyifk lDhVv7jfDyoyCTajDF+pAv9WOd26n9SgEzisWoNEDA442ZpgB3TvwjZzJ5+NMbRe7CqQ N4QjZbJp9lA1STyDT853SDWbEJhA0m1Y4/5VUMTl3Ol+8/k/djgS3/6WRAq9hkAwRZ3Q NP/ngt+C2YX3s8kOn7Dh0icpzrBigRJmjo1aR9erW4iSNPfbSt+KbdrBV0cTI9klsD9f b3QlP72os1tB+4jNQN7RgXMhpQDi8o4tvHaav2D6X5F9LidF/bMP48yc85AFkK9kIMuo vEqQ== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Subject: Re: replacing dl4 switches From: Matthias Grob In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 14:44:24 -0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <67D8D209-0B34-414E-A3E6-77EA8E2842EC@gmail.com> References: <1343561795.96210.YahooMailNeo@web162901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: <1nKpfC.A._oG.BaXFQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:44:33 +0000 (UTC) an amazing observation! did you verify this? there are millions of those switches in hundreds of different music = machines out there and a reasonable part ends up being audible somewhere=85 so: that o-ring would be a sucess product! On 29 Jul 2012, at 8:52 AM, Charles Zwicky wrote: > That video is idiotic. The "switches" in the DL-4 *are* silent. It's=20= > the metal plungers / actuators that make the noise. A small o-ring=20 > around each should eliminate the metal on metal "click"... >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 29 19:50:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5B38183460; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 19:50:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0298767569==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120729195031.2596.37669.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 15:50:31 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: How often do you listen to your own music? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 19:50:27 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0298767569== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=20listen=20to=20my=20own=20CD=20until=20I=20get=20sick=20of=20it=20:)=20b= ut=20after=20a=20while,=20the=20feeling=20goes=20 away,=20and=20I=20enjoy=20listening=20to=20my=20own=20music.=20I=20like=20a= ll=20electronic=20music,=20and=20compared=20to=20many=20 electronic=20music=20artists,=20I'm=20just=20an=20amateur=20with=20a=20keyb= oard,=20a=20computer=20and=20a=20microphone. Tyler=20Z On=20Sat,=2028=20Jul=202012=2012:16:12=20-0700,=20kay'lon=20rushing=20wrote: >I=20guess=20this=20is=20a=20rather=20odd=20question=20but=20I'm=20curious.= =20Do=20you=20only=20listen=20to=20it=20 >for=20improvement?=20Or=20do=20you=20enjoy=20listening=20to=20yourself=20j= ust=20as=20you=20would=20listen=20 >to=20an=20artist=20you=20like? >--=20 >http://www.facebook.com/pages/K3Z/311236368904238 >http://www.youtube.com/user/gumdrops27 >https://twitter.com/K3Z_Art >www.soundcloud.com/k3z --===============0298767569==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 29 19:52:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96499183453; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 19:52:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1598502272==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120729195203.2596.36442.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 15:52:03 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: What can blind and visually impaired loopers do? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 19:52:00 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============1598502272== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not=20ready=20for=20that=20yet.=20Never=20associated=20Wii=20devices=20with= =20looping. Tyler=20Z On=20Sat,=2028=20Jul=202012=2013:51:34=20-0500,=20Ricky=20Graham=20wrote: >Perhaps=20you=20could=20use=20a=20WiiRemote=20as=20a=20method=20of=20contr= olling=20any >looping=20audio=20interface=20or=20VST/AU.=20This=20could=20be=20achieved= =20in=20Pure=20Data >or=20Max/MSP.=20The=20WiiRemote=20could=20provide=20tactile=20feedback=20t= hrough=20the >vibration=20function,=20perhaps=20providing=20tactile=20cues=20for=20loop= =20points.=20I >could=20perhaps=20build=20one=20for=20you=20to=20try=20in=20Max=20for=20Li= ve/Ableton. > >Ricky > >On=20Sat,=20Jul=2028,=202012=20at=2011:25=20AM,=20William=20Walker=20=20wrote: >>The=20=20guy=20Per=20is=20mentioning=20is=20Jean=20Philippe=20Rykiel >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Philippe_Rykiel=20the=20great=20french= =20pianist >>and=20composer.=20he=20was=20trying=20to=20find=20a=20new=20Repeater=20or= =20a=20new=20solution=20for=20his >>Repeater=20which=20was=20great=20unit=20for=20him=20because=20it=20was=20= so=20big=20and=20had=20large >>tactile=20buttons=20and=20sliders.=20=20Someone=20was=20trying=20to=20con= vince=20him=20that=20some >>kind=20of=20large=20pad=20surface=20controller=20with=20a=20software=20lo= oper,=20might=20be=20a >>solution.=20Not=20sure=20how=20that=20turned=20out=20for=20him,=20he=20di= dn't=20stick=20around=20that >>long.=20,=20I=20followed=20up=20with=20Jean=20for=20a=20while,=20I=20even= =20arranged=20for=20Bernard >>Wagner=20to=20go=20meet=20with=20him=20and=20help=20him=20get=20his=20new= =20tech=20together=20but=20I'm >>not=20sure=20that=20ever=20transpired.=20A=20great=20guy=20and=20wonderfu= l=20musician.=20He=20has >>played=20with=20and=20produced=20many=20of=20the=20top=20west=20african= =20musicians=20in=20the >>world.=20Any=20of=20the=20current=20hardware=20pedal=20loopers=20I=20beli= eve=20would=20offer=20you >>enough=20tactile=20feel=20that=20you=20could=20get=20around,=20it=20all= =20depends=20on=20how >>advanced=20you=20want=20to=20go.=20per's=20solution=20is=20very=20good=20= as=20long=20as=20you=20have >>someone=20to=20help=20you=20get=20your=20templates=20and=20commands=20=20= together. >>Bill --===============1598502272==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 29 20:05:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47D9518345C; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 20:05:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5015977D.4080908@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 16:05:17 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Top 20 Report for July, 2012. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 20:05:46 +0000 (UTC) http://billfox.blogspot.com/2012/07/galactic-travels-top-20-report-for-july.html WDIY 88.1 FM "Galactic Travels" Top 20 for July, 2012. Shows #796 to #799; 5-July-2012 to 26-July-2012 Reported in non-ranked, alphanumeric order. Compiled by Bill Fox The Special Focus for July was Radio Massacre International. ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ======================================================================== Broekhuis, Keller, and Schonwalder - Red - Manikin Bruno Sanfilippo - Urbs - Hypnos Craig Padilla - The Heart of the Soul - Spotted Peccary Daren Keck - Quiet Hillside - Wayfarer Dave Luxton - Singularity In Sound - Wayfarer Forrest Fang - Animism - Projekt Loren Nerell - Slow Dream - Projekt Monty Adkins - Four Shibusa - Audiobulb mystified with Robin Storey - Music for Transit - Roil Noise Pragate - The WorldAbove Us - none RMI - Lost in Transit 4; Damo - Northern Echo RMI - Lost in Transit 2; The National Space Centre 2005 - Northern Echo RMI - Lost in Transit 3; The National Space Centre 2006 - Northern Echo RMI - Lost in Transit 4; Damo - Northern Echo Seren Ffordd + Oophoi - The Martian Chronicles - Hypnos Shane Morris and Mystified - Epoch - Lotuspike Steve Dinsdale - The Vast Key - Northern Echo Steve Roach and Dirk Serries - Low Volume Music - Projeekt The Tangent Project - Live 2010-2011 - none Various Artists - Second Decade 2002-2012 - Manikin Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info (temporarily down) Temporary site: http://wdiy.org/programs/galactic-travels Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 29 20:32:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CC0118345D; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 20:32:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 796627024/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED_DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.23.207/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.23.207 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmgmAEicFVBYbRfP/2dsb2JhbAANOBaNVKMpAYc6BAEBAQGEMAEBBDhAEQshFg8JAwIBAgFFHAGIFKYJknSMRoERW2SDHAOWXYQ0jSU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,675,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="796627024" Message-ID: <50159D29.9090504@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 21:29:29 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What can blind and visually impaired loopers do? References: <20120728081626.27373.36442.levelstar.mail@everest> In-Reply-To: <20120728081626.27373.36442.levelstar.mail@everest> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 20:32:05 +0000 (UTC) Cara Quinn http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn/bios.html andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 29 21:24:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CA8218345D; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 21:24:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=Uc5F7YuF/YiVpzzSj2FWAldbcT7F/7zLiHQ579WMiTo=; b=GY7zgGah97Dx5BV+mp54FG/S464Qdcyyx4r2y1tITFe5LY5pzYwZzDj8d1U6jpa6XU I/kuLmnJ3VH5PjA1gMrfRZIRYFiPmbN+e4PSUaCTXRXvnYVhPOyskTblMg1lXyXMcp1p pI+SQ5Iboh6+iZEdZYSyyG4pFhup1lwRDA3UyKeHRsjUojfh7IuhWk1Oom6eQ2mBcj/1 Jrnl978koGGlRgmuNTubujzvK18pBilDrGzmXuciExh/dbIH51hNHN9evuiBTDTavVQr vsZVn2MiNVMTm+YHRwC9WhyvpHTr6AZmzovXrw26ZXciPvmR+i4dVQCOab3d+YRE/fXP lHvA== Subject: Re: Switching Echoloop VST Params Using Ableton Dummy Clips Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-217650402 From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 14:24:30 -0700 Cc: andy butler , Matthias Grob Message-Id: <03A0ED0D-787F-4E22-BEA7-4796263DA9F6@gmail.com> References: <16BF5171-FE7D-4BC1-A199-5398CD597BA9@gmail.com> <50138855-5C29-49F5-8574-AC67F89C88CC@gmail.com> <5013D061.7030704@tiscali.co.uk> <9FCA7A96-3BA4-47D6-92CA-8746D19171D1@gmail.com> <5013FBCB. 1020207@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 21:24:36 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-217650402 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 MORE SOLUTIONS !!!! :) Since his note below, Matthias and I spoke offline about these things, = so I'm gonna summarize here for the benefit of any following this thread = now or in the future :) - - - - - The Presets via Program Change method covered earlier in the thread = works great. We have not established why my VST menu does not update to = reflect changes, but Matthias' menu does. That said, it is really a Plan B solution - what i was initially seeking = was more acute.=20 - - - - - THE PROBLEM Imagine a continuous control with a range of 0-127.=20 Normally one would map a knob to that and be done with it. But in this = case, it is the Subcycles param for my Echoloop VST, and I simply want a = quick, precise, way to assign a specific value: 2, 4, 8, 16, 9, etc... = It's maddening to do this with a knob or fader or text entry. A button = is really called for. SO on the EDP, the way we get around this is by saving and recalling = Presets. But this is rather heavy handed, especially in a software = environ where we want more acute control. I had thought of using dummy clip envelopes, but that only partially = worked; then I thought of using MIDI clip control envelopes, and that = was super complicated and only partially worked; using MIDI learn in = Ableton was not possible I thought because Ableton does not allow = many-to-one mappings. At an impasse :) - - - - - THE SOLUTION !! Here is the final, and correct, solution: 1. Expose the desired control using Echoloop's 'learn' process (in this = case, Subcycles). This surfaces in the VST UI as a 0-127 slider. 2. Map that slider to a button on whatever control surface you will be = using. You will want to send a CC message with a value attached. In my case I was using a Korg NanoPad2, but found that it did not allow = transmission of a specific value; so I moved to buttons available on a = Korg NanoKontrol2 and found that they do indeed allow transmission of = values for CC message. 3. Now, create as many more buttons as you need, but use the exact same = CC# for each... and for each, send a different value: 4, 8, 16, etc. This seems very clever to me, works like a charm, and seems obvious in = hindsight - but despite quite literally 4 days of banging my head = against this problem (home sick with nothing else to do !), the solution = has eluded me. I bow down to the Masters on this list, and especially Matthias - really = loving Echoloop :)=20 Best, Phil :) On Jul 28, 2012, at 6:06 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: >=20 > On 28 Jul 2012, at 5:44 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: >>=20 >> You are of course correct that the Echoloop is responding to Pgm = Changes, but I could not see that - because the Preset Banks popup menu = does not update to show the current preset when it's being switched = remotely ! (prolly worth a bugfix?) >=20 > I wonder what menu you talk about=85 the one in the Live Echoloop GUI = works here! > in Bidule, the one in the VSTGUI window works too. > could it be that you looked at Echoloops Setup menu? that serves for = MIDI and such settings and is not related to Presets >>=20 >> Digging deeper for testing, i set up 16 distinct presets with = Subcycle values of 1,2,3,4,5 etc... and sending Pgm Changes 0-15 via = direct MIDI was in fact correctly updating params as stored in the = presets for the VST. >>=20 >> So - halle-freaking-lujah, there is a way. What I *wanted* was a = discrete control for each param I want to change or hit, but upon = inventory it's clear the net of all those is under a dozen basic states = for the VST. So, the preset change works and accomplishes that - and I = get what I need. >>=20 >> Thanks Andy, Per, Matthias, and everyone else who has suffered = through this thread with me :) >=20 > great that you are happy with your solution Phil! > but let me show the method I suggested and just tested: > - in Live's Echoloop thing (their, not our GUI) activate Configure > - in our Echoloop GUI, go to MIDI (on the left) and there to Learn = (almost on the right) and select the parameter you want (Quantize, for = example). this makes the parameter Quantize appear in the Live Echoloop = thing > - top right you go to MIDI (which is like MIDI learn) > - select the Quantize or whatever parameter in Lives Echoloop thing > - send the MIDI command to Live > - switch off Live's top right MIDI and go to Local in the Echoloop GUI = and verify that it works!=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-1-217650402 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252
In my case I was using a Korg NanoPad2, but = found that it did not allow transmission of a specific value; so I moved = to buttons available on a Korg NanoKontrol2 and found that they do = indeed allow transmission of values for CC = message.

3. Now, create as = many more buttons as you need, but use the exact same CC# for = each... and for each, send a different value: 4, 8, 16, = etc.

This seems very clever to me, works like a = charm, and seems obvious in hindsight - but despite quite literally 4 = days of banging my head against this problem (home sick with nothing = else to do !), the solution has eluded me.

I = bow down to the Masters on this list, and especially Matthias - really = loving Echoloop = :) 

Best,

Phil = :)




On= Jul 28, 2012, at 6:06 PM, Matthias Grob wrote:


On 28 Jul 2012, = at 5:44 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote:

You are = of course correct that the Echoloop is responding to Pgm Changes, but I = could not see that - because the Preset Banks popup menu does not update = to show the current preset when it's being switched remotely ! =  (prolly worth a bugfix?)

I = wonder what menu you talk about=85 the one in the Live Echoloop GUI = works here!
in Bidule, the one in the VSTGUI window works = too.
could it be that you looked at Echoloops Setup menu? that = serves for MIDI and such settings and is not related to = Presets

Digging deeper for = testing, i set up 16 distinct presets with Subcycle values of 1,2,3,4,5 = etc... and sending Pgm Changes 0-15 via direct MIDI was in fact = correctly updating params as stored in the presets for the = VST.

So - halle-freaking-lujah, there is a way. What I *wanted* = was a discrete control for each param I want to change or hit, but upon = inventory it's clear the net of all those is under a dozen basic states = for the VST. So, the preset change works and accomplishes that - and I = get what I need.

Thanks Andy, Per, Matthias, and everyone else = who has suffered through this thread with me = :)

great that you are happy with = your solution Phil!
but let me show the method I = suggested and just tested:
- in Live's Echoloop thing = (their, not our GUI) activate Configure
- in our Echoloop GUI, = go to MIDI (on the left) and there to Learn (almost on the right) and = select the parameter you want (Quantize, for example). this makes the = parameter Quantize appear in the Live Echoloop thing
- top = right you go to MIDI (which is like MIDI learn)
- select the = Quantize or whatever parameter in Lives Echoloop thing
- send = the MIDI command to Live
- switch off Live's top right MIDI = and go to Local in the Echoloop GUI and verify that it = works! 


= --Apple-Mail-1-217650402-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 30 02:19:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26B0F183452; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 02:19:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1229988285==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120730021917.8180.92442.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 22:19:18 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Any young loopers? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 02:19:28 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============1229988285== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello!=20Since=20looping=20is=20being=20used=20in=20a=20lot=20of=20the=20el= ectronically-produced=20music=20of=20today,=20I'm=20 just=20wondering:=20there=20are=20a=20lot=20of=20child=20stars=20out=20ther= e.=20Justin=20Bieber=20and=20Miley=20Cyrus=20are=20still=20quite=20young,= =20 Britney=20Spears=20was=2017=20when=20she=20started;=20are=20there=20any=20p= eople=20on=20this=20mailing=20list=20who=20are=20under=20the=20age=20of=20 25?=20I=20am! Tyler=20Z --===============1229988285==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 30 02:59:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83A7D183452; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 02:59:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1229988285==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120730025936.9893.92442.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 22:59:45 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: Any young loopers? 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From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 05:34:26 +0000 (UTC) I self-listen a lot when I'm either working on the CD, or just when the CD is released. When I'm working on a CD, I try to listen to the music both as a person who "gets" what I'm doing, and one who doesn't. It often takes several listens to determine whether I think a track is CD worthy or not. When I'm finished with a CD, I often find myself listening again each time I'm aware of someone new getting their hands on it or read a review - I find it fascinating to try to listen from the perspective of that person. Other than that, they only come up on shuffle play on my ipod. Lately, I've hit "skip" on the iPod, because I signed up for a site called last.fm, which tracks your plays, and I don't like being displayed as my own biggest fan. I try to be the harshest critic, among people who actually understand my music. I think that's a good position to be in. 7 years after I released "Bwoo", I hear a lot of things in it that I'm not happy with. I'm not sure if any musician has the patience to 7-year test a CD before releasing it though. "Living Things" - my most recent, at 2 years old - is my first release that I'm still 100% proud of this far after the release date. Lately, I try to find myself listening with "20 year ears", probably since I discovered one of my biggest influences - Klaus Schulze - about 20 years after he recorded the albums I picked up. I think of someone stumbling on my dusty old cds somewhere, and try to imagine whether my music would mean something to them or not. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 30 06:41:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 159CA18345B; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:41:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=IARlc6SuLxkylZXQVDHDXLUcN184rsYFnd7Ek0xScjU=; b=w4klYBTYc0ippJzqM0+ce1MtWqWXxym9yQ4Z5yRn+SjQ0FNdnX4gtqTewnonsb9Ire TXE/p5wbT4VidsvYIba2+NDg/pUaeAtDRoW6sQNy3lVgohyw8snOYlZkLvwLZUALwkA7 I1qmwTdAtCkJyLokgoajEmevLQAe7VqbGdnofVwxHENfkredlrkwI54p3mR/p5h1g0Nw H+kaylQcesZND4kkPBMURYPN8X5DGdN+9yvdlmS03xL4m0l8xmUHBKueeIXI5FMUiEE2 PVz0f5VxDPQ/wjBb8eE+MW3/NRf2YxhvykAhJghceVuClWtyWvkA2nMi/df+QZ4aqvH2 Bc0w== From: Phil Clevenger Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Delay VST PlugIn Survey Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 23:41:41 -0700 Message-Id: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:41:45 +0000 (UTC) Hey everyone -=20 Quick survey for you computer-bound loopists: What VST delay plug ins are you using and loving? I am working in Ableton on a Mac - and I've been attempting to wean off = hardware as much as possible. Moving from my Timeline to Ableton's = SimpleDelay was easy enough, but SimpleDelay is kind of cold and = transient-forward compared to the warmth of the Timeline (myriad other = features notwithstanding).=20 There re tons of delay plugins out there - where to begin...? Phil :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 30 06:49:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65F8B18345E; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:49:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=FqE+I3lnQfdpUggkfPgemGSJbf2e/XLuZ17sU7Bd2fU=; b=QEsxyoDlFjDbpEckJCHMNDOa07nKTetp8dDwI+sQp3irKjhVsUPghKmDG4B9KkpFHI bUw1jViYHK7lWcd28DmqYjjtSCvlBjrCh9leG0Ny425jpEcGE1rAWT+V+ckLqEUc3uNe bjvCDp6l9J2Cdj49N6dXDVAJU+vcDrfGmxihrANzW2WiGSOUgXWETgKlihSm2mkmhVY8 CtEDRtNWA5fDu6pohdHNEU1M7W/biEBSZOBbB1xEz7mZwX5qQAkRRPBrIgDxrVtgST/z WYc6GJp3CzxHDPbtm9AhZ9Z01s7PGbnknIVF59wxW1IdorI3nSy6rKKpxb2MgQPJcjdD cQwA== Subject: Re: Delay VST PlugIn Survey References: From: Charlie Milkey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <22AAA6FA-2687-466A-9724-C7DBC6FDFEB5@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 01:49:38 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:49:40 +0000 (UTC) I really like bionic delay by the interrupter=20 http://www.interruptor.ch/vst_overview.shtml On Jul 30, 2012, at 1:41 AM, Phil Clevenger wrote= : > Hey everyone -=20 >=20 > Quick survey for you computer-bound loopists: >=20 > What VST delay plug ins are you using and loving? >=20 > I am working in Ableton on a Mac - and I've been attempting to wean off ha= rdware as much as possible. Moving from my Timeline to Ableton's SimpleDelay= was easy enough, but SimpleDelay is kind of cold and transient-forward comp= ared to the warmth of the Timeline (myriad other features notwithstanding).=20= >=20 > There re tons of delay plugins out there - where to begin...? >=20 > Phil :) >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 30 07:28:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC327183455; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 07:28:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=0A3aZxVpf8BjXEeoFVwKTl4e62nHVqtr42VJ3Ac/dsk=; b=x3WIafr1zaQgxpPHupx5t8P/h6hkvJvs9y8yBvxzKnhGuNr5Ot7omVDgpO0J0jLL5/ 8oC2YFzvz8R4u7RAAFjHjdvj81CXgWLMnkzdjYfSKFCimmwT8xbfVsfOVMulAr2G1YLW aX4VffvxP8rmjRnf3ZxXAI4cAwYnkvSWIJJtSNeT0nvxaiWkmIb6jlpzxGfs6/9l9h3z fStjH5VDvSCcWPWJGGEsLLVbG8G0fPudeeozM/Dm9F+zF9w6x0CRmKDs9mUQ5ME1QjQM aOqPK/4h6cYYu9AEk/Z3p18cv6fu3TL723J8g+BYVa0RcULu2AhDYe5a8Fb61ltprOs5 LyGQ== Subject: Re: Delay VST PlugIn Survey References: From: Simeon Harris Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (8C148) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:30:30 +0100 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPod Mail 8C148) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 07:28:18 +0000 (UTC) The best one I ever heard is the soundtoys echoboy. If you love analog with d= igital features, it can't be beat, imo Sent from my iPod On 30 Jul 2012, at 07:41, Phil Clevenger wrote: > Hey everyone -=20 >=20 > Quick survey for you computer-bound loopists: >=20 > What VST delay plug ins are you using and loving? >=20 > I am working in Ableton on a Mac - and I've been attempting to wean off ha= rdware as much as possible. Moving from my Timeline to Ableton's SimpleDelay= was easy enough, but SimpleDelay is kind of cold and transient-forward comp= ared to the warmth of the Timeline (myriad other features notwithstanding).=20= >=20 > There re tons of delay plugins out there - where to begin...? >=20 > Phil :) >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 30 09:03:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AB9318345D; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:03:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 903 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:03:32 UTC Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:48:27 +0100 From: Philip Conway To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Delay VST PlugIn Survey Message-ID: <6D7821504780710CF132F91C@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: Originator-Info: login-token=Mulberry:01UFZmq8C5nt1OiawUkcW6yxmPhNUOfsCD2R2Rhc4ThsOExw5JzNc=; token_authority=mailto:postmaster@bristol.ac.uk X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:03:33 +0000 (UTC) Fabfilter's Timeless 2 is easily my favourite. Its interface is both=20 beautiful and easy to use and it sounds wonderful. Definitely my 'desert=20 island delay.' Valhalla DSP's =C3=9CberMod deserves honourable mention as a great chorus=20 plugin that can do all sorts of weird and wonderful delay and reverb=20 effects too at longer delay times. That said, I do like Live's stock delays for some things. Filter and Ping=20 Pong are both very nice. The buffer freeze function on Ping Pong is a lot=20 of fun (Timeless 2 has this feature also, as it happens). --On 29 July 2012 23:41 -0700 Phil Clevenger =20 wrote: > Hey everyone - > > Quick survey for you computer-bound loopists: > > What VST delay plug ins are you using and loving? > > I am working in Ableton on a Mac - and I've been attempting to wean off > hardware as much as possible. Moving from my Timeline to Ableton's > SimpleDelay was easy enough, but SimpleDelay is kind of cold and > transient-forward compared to the warmth of the Timeline (myriad other > features notwithstanding). > > There re tons of delay plugins out there - where to begin...? > > Phil :) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 30 09:17:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5608F18345D; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:17:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=13O+ndrXlZsbwID4BLLGbgSshhj1qkYK+ISsI+naEMM=; b=OnkbEbCjIPnszY4q6cC34U9ixGZ9gMclNGoqCYLOOcHIK9rNKjhGcabMhJqtrafa1N L2P1MoydrS9GhLqWaQZRtf8ed4B3vS3o7Mj8tvInjLqbiAK79gN+p8BrFMsIC4rKk014 9yvgMs1Moe7sV8zIqW9iYUqhGuvzWDG4rtEQRYzJWFSMhDgod2yksLLVR/Ty/ojsmCKw 2rTFLBe7S27cRdymuTJdw6AlfHYl5aI+Y4kGsPIrJDRkI5euRAeI4C/8bX+nwyZZpvEE Z/flirweW9Q5cYk0gbY0s//6IE3N6l9LBL5Lzs3Z9YZsn708x6dHKruTKRhP//CbhTeB G1Fw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 11:17:26 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: vmJNlvLE0bL08ZTfMHSA1PQv_cY Message-ID: Subject: Re: How often do you listen to your own music? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b343ee6f8658b04c6088834 Resent-Message-ID: <8OQvQC.A.5rF.7ElFQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:17:47 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b343ee6f8658b04c6088834 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For most of my musical life I have been making and playing music that I like to listen to, therfore I almost ONLY play my own music. I dip into "whats going on now" once in a while, mostly because I love to see bands new live, but rarely have the time to track down or listen too new recordings... theres almost too much available for free now, so I really dont end up REALLY listening to music at all now, almost everything I do listen to is the first time I have heard it, and probably the last. If I have any free time at all, I make music, not listen to it... Unfortunately, I can=B4t work to music, so when I=B4m editing films, or mak= ing games, I have to have silence. Also i have never been able to use headphones... To be honest I haveing had any REALLY ground breaking discoveries for many many years, OK maybe Merzbow about 6 years ago... (not cos I like it, just cos.. well I was rather surprised) However, I try to keep up, dubstep lasted about 2 days, is there anything since that really? So.. Yes.. I keep coming back to MY music, its WHY I write it... for myself... its exactly what I like listening too, I just dont understand whey no one else does!! ;-) Mark --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --047d7b343ee6f8658b04c6088834 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For most of my musical life I have been making and playing music that I lik= e to listen to, therfore I almost ONLY play my own music.
I dip into &qu= ot;whats going on now" once in a while, mostly because I love to see b= ands new live, but rarely have the time to track down or listen too new rec= ordings... theres almost too much available for free now, so I really dont = end up REALLY listening to music at all now, almost everything I do listen = to is the first time I have heard it, and probably the last.
If I have any free time at all, I make music, not listen to it...
Unfort= unately, I can=B4t work to music, so when I=B4m editing films, or making ga= mes, I have to have silence. Also i have never been able to use headphones.= ..
To be honest I haveing had any REALLY ground breaking discoveries for many = many years, OK maybe Merzbow about 6 years ago... (not cos I like it, just = cos.. well I was rather surprised)
However, I try to keep up, dubstep la= sted about 2 days, is there anything since that really?

So.. Yes.. I keep coming back to MY music, its WHY I write it... for my= self... its exactly what I like listening too, I just dont understand whey = no one else does!!

;-)

Mark

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www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--047d7b343ee6f8658b04c6088834-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 30 09:21:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE97B18345E; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:21:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_f7dc85ee-c02e-42c8-8abc-4711f2eb4951_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.53.10] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Delay VST PlugIn Survey Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:21:10 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2012 09:21:10.0824 (UTC) FILETIME=[A884C280:01CD6E34] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:21:12 +0000 (UTC) --_f7dc85ee-c02e-42c8-8abc-4711f2eb4951_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Augustus loop gets my vote. Really ugly standard interface but very well th= ought out - can be used as a looper too.. Peace=2C g Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > >=20 > > Quick survey for you computer-bound loopists: > >=20 > > What VST delay plug ins are you using and loving? > >=20 > > I am working in Ableton on a Mac - and I've been attempting to wean off= hardware as much as possible. Moving from my Timeline to Ableton's SimpleD= elay was easy enough=2C but SimpleDelay is kind of cold and transient-forwa= rd compared to the warmth of the Timeline (myriad other features notwithsta= nding).=20 > >=20 > > There re tons of delay plugins out there - where to begin...? > >=20 > > Phil :) > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 >=20 = --_f7dc85ee-c02e-42c8-8abc-4711f2eb4951_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Augustus loop gets my vote. Really ugly standard interface but very well th= ought out - can be used as a looper too..

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= --_f7dc85ee-c02e-42c8-8abc-4711f2eb4951_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 30 09:22:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E2F9183461; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:22:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_8402d7af-9762-49db-aaed-ba281f610133_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.53.10] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: Reverb plugin for mac Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:22:38 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2012 09:22:39.0345 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD47FE10:01CD6E34] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:22:40 +0000 (UTC) --_8402d7af-9762-49db-aaed-ba281f610133_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Any nominations here? Free preferably but I will pay for something outstand= ing.. Peace Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk From: buddhamachine@live.co.uk To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Delay VST PlugIn Survey Date: Mon=2C 30 Jul 2012 09:21:10 +0000 Augustus loop gets my vote. Really ugly standard interface but very well th= ought out - can be used as a looper too.. Peace=2C g Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > >=20 > > Quick survey for you computer-bound loopists: > >=20 > > What VST delay plug ins are you using and loving? > >=20 > > I am working in Ableton on a Mac - and I've been attempting to wean off= hardware as much as possible. Moving from my Timeline to Ableton's SimpleD= elay was easy enough=2C but SimpleDelay is kind of cold and transient-forwa= rd compared to the warmth of the Timeline (myriad other features notwithsta= nding).=20 > >=20 > > There re tons of delay plugins out there - where to begin...? > >=20 > > Phil :) > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 >=20 = --_8402d7af-9762-49db-aaed-ba281f610133_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Any nominations here? Free preferably but I will pay for something outstand= ing..

Peace


Gareth Whittock= =2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk


From: buddhamachine@live.co.uk
To: loopers-deli= ght@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Delay VST PlugIn Survey
Date: Mo= n=2C 30 Jul 2012 09:21:10 +0000

Augustus loop gets my vote. Really ugly standard interface but very well th= ought out - can be used as a looper too..

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= --_8402d7af-9762-49db-aaed-ba281f610133_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 30 09:28:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E682183464; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:28:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:28:57 +0100 From: Philip Conway To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reverb plugin for mac Message-ID: <7A55305150BF9E6EAE16F920@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: Originator-Info: login-token=Mulberry:01xlrCgza9+rXEjQjsBzu+J/EFiDHm9DaHNfUHiSrr/DmII+a/0DM=; token_authority=mailto:postmaster@bristol.ac.uk X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:28:59 +0000 (UTC) ValhallaRoom is great for $50. A bunch of different algorithms, tweakable but not complicated and it's regularly updated too. --On 30 July 2012 09:22 +0000 Gareth Whittock wrote: > > Any nominations here? Free preferably but I will pay for something > outstanding.. > > > Peace > > > > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > > > > > __________________________________________________ > From: buddhamachine@live.co.uk > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Delay VST PlugIn Survey > Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:21:10 +0000 > > > Augustus loop gets my vote. Really ugly standard interface but very well > thought out - can be used as a looper too.. > > > Peace, > > > g > > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > > > > >> > >> > Quick survey for you computer-bound loopists: >> > >> > What VST delay plug ins are you using and loving? >> > >> > I am working in Ableton on a Mac - and I've been attempting to wean >> > off hardware as much as possible. Moving from my Timeline to Ableton's >> > SimpleDelay was easy enough, but SimpleDelay is kind of cold and >> > transient-forward compared to the warmth of the Timeline (myriad other >> > features notwithstanding). >> > >> > There re tons of delay plugins out there - where to begin...? >> > >> > Phil :) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 30 09:31:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E721A183462; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:31:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: , In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Delay VST PlugIn Survey Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:31:30 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01CD6E3E.7B845430" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: <5xnVnD.A.3JG.0RlFQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:31:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CD6E3E.7B845430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99ve been using Angstrolooper for a couple of years. The only = problem it has is if I=E2=80=99m running a loop and use FL Studio to = load a new flp file in the process. Some stuttering but no other = affectation on the loop itself. Don=E2=80=99t care about reverse, = it=E2=80=99s a nice looper that gives me a space up to 32 bars, and = syncs to Reaper=E2=80=99s bpm setting. PC here. > > Quick survey for you computer-bound loopists: > >=20 > > What VST delay plug ins are you using and loving? > >=20 > > I am working in Ableton on a Mac - and I've been attempting to wean = off hardware as much as possible. Moving from my Timeline to Ableton's = SimpleDelay was easy enough, but SimpleDelay is kind of cold and = transient-forward compared to the warmth of the Timeline (myriad other = features notwithstanding).=20 > >=20 > > There re tons of delay plugins out there - where to begin...? > >=20 > > Phil :) > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CD6E3E.7B845430 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I=E2=80=99ve been using Angstrolooper for a couple of years.  = The only problem=20 it has is if I=E2=80=99m running a loop and use FL Studio to load a new = flp file in the=20 process.  Some stuttering but no other affectation on the loop=20 itself.  Don=E2=80=99t care about reverse, it=E2=80=99s a nice = looper that gives me a space=20 up to 32 bars, and syncs to Reaper=E2=80=99s bpm setting.  PC = here.
 
>=20 > Quick survey for you computer-bound loopists:
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> = >=20 What VST delay plug ins are you using and loving?
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> = > I=20 am working in Ableton on a Mac - and I've been attempting to wean off = hardware=20 as much as possible. Moving from my Timeline to Ableton's SimpleDelay = was easy=20 enough, but SimpleDelay is kind of cold and transient-forward compared = to the=20 warmth of the Timeline (myriad other features notwithstanding).
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> > Phil :)
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------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CD6E3E.7B845430-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 30 09:37:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3024118345E; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:37:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: How often do you listen to your own music? Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:37:16 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01CD6E3F.4A1CAA40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: <7Y0UXD.A.qRG.NXlFQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:37:18 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01CD6E3F.4A1CAA40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99m glad this subject didn=E2=80=99t say =E2=80=9Chave to listen = to your own music=E2=80=9D because I don=E2=80=99t consider it a task. = I *have* to listen to it in order to clean things up sometimes, and make = sure I=E2=80=99m happy with the piece. If I=E2=80=99m going to perform = a piece I=E2=80=99ll listen to it to refresh my memory and be able to = replicate it live. In a lot of ways being in the UK has enforced a real isolation from lots = of music =E2=80=93 though from the broadcast radio I=E2=80=99ve heard = here, I=E2=80=99m not missing much! I have for some years now kept from = listening to other peoples=E2=80=99 material except for LD = members=E2=80=99 =E2=80=93 and when in composition mode, nothing of = anyone else at all. Before anything else I treat it as Art, and try to = turn it into something palatable in the form of show segments, which = constitute =E2=80=98singles=E2=80=99 of a sort. Stephen Goodman http://www.ustream.tv/channel/audio-tarot-bone-throw ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01CD6E3F.4A1CAA40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I=E2=80=99m=20 glad this subject didn=E2=80=99t say =E2=80=9Chave to listen to your own = music=E2=80=9D because I don=E2=80=99t=20 consider it a task.  I *have* to listen to it in order to clean = things up=20 sometimes, and make sure I=E2=80=99m happy with the piece.  If = I=E2=80=99m going to perform=20 a piece I=E2=80=99ll listen to it to refresh my memory and be able to = replicate it=20 live.
 
In=20 a lot of ways being in the UK has enforced a real isolation from lots of = music =E2=80=93=20 though from the broadcast radio I=E2=80=99ve heard here, I=E2=80=99m not = missing much!  I=20 have for some years now kept from listening to other peoples=E2=80=99 = material except=20 for LD members=E2=80=99 =E2=80=93 and when in composition mode, nothing = of anyone else at=20 all.  Before anything else I treat it as Art, and try to turn it = into=20 something palatable in the form of show segments, which constitute = =E2=80=98singles=E2=80=99 of=20 a sort.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0024_01CD6E3F.4A1CAA40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 30 10:26:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2AF1D18345D; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:26:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=4RGUp8SWZTqdW5a6lIUpryES7oIU4UYDvqhxJ3kUCEA=; b=jX9OA9cUAFfdwvzwNYxZoQN2JGGHG8aSYG0weL2owxVjLxz+Yj7GkX9onpkjYYZxVS zzXQT/gd0pxIcEW2+qiLHTn1e7CemJUryh97o2dxjARkMc+Nbtqxu2t9wEohOpi51ex0 q8VbLHr0/2YpJTjpWLuaSwDW/2w/8M3VU+n+0PCBx2ZXLpNSUYfGer0Kyzm85A3I/atu j2PE25pGiEah3lOvy87U4kmFM5RCkyWo6aDSIlBdzK2VGs2cHwfM5klhC1NA4hvykx7m chEXgDCbnrQrxleCePRMkjskTOLZzrQ8JjVvtQIJXXg25SvvrTVPaop155VJ5KgxZSzi NacA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 12:26:15 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Delay VST PlugIn Survey From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:26:17 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > What VST delay plug ins are you using and loving? Two of my fav's are already mentioned: FabFilter Timeless 2 and SoundToys Echoboy (also great for "vintage reverb"). My third favorite delay is the Tape Delay found in Logic and Mainstage. The cool thing is its nice emulation of tape speed switch noise. Timeless 2 also has that BTW, but not so simple and sexy as the Tape Delay plugin. Too bad it is not a separate plugin and only found as part of Logic and Mainstage. I think though, that you should be able to set up a similar tape speed noise dub thing with Augustus Loop. I don't use Augustus in general, as I do with the one mentioned above, but for specific tasks where I know that "this thing I want here is a typical case for Augustus". I kind of use Augustus more as a looper than for delay effect processing. For my kind of live looping I like a delay with such speed shift noise emulations because when I change the tempo, while playing, all such delays scream and whine in a lovely way. Since you are using Ableton Live I must say that I like its Ping Pong Delay as well! Especially since it has a filter that you can set to sweep a bit by some LFO control routing. For dub feel tweaking one can set Live's Return Track (that hosts the Ping Pong Delay) to Send into itself. But be careful not to go into feedback hell. Better slap a limiter or compressor into the loop. No fancy rubberband feel of tape speed noise here, but thanks to the filter in the signal path you can create "climbing shimmer" delays that add a new dimension to your music (I often do the filter-climb trick with Tape Delay and Echoboy too). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 30 10:37:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6ED31183460; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:37:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=wpn1eAcmdOApwEKgIziPSP5gWtZM4b1eXDZL5Sxcw14=; b=iIaNtiKDOUp1tYTOdxNqSEsGE2Q0o0+gMInKGLu3heBJ8owdHDVy09Y2SlMb4TvuYb riajbROxe6ulIjCBjtvKi0RpU6zLsmjYLGAoEbZUqdqWQ1Ad5kcJg89odTSNDGQMLLKl FamkirvsQcLGf185Jgnhy3qxOFBc2X/aN6OwKJ0R8MjbjLXJXziP4boep3noDxT2H9fd jpsiJe+IKYmRGstglRl8uwbHiA/boH+qaQ84KFESl6opD3ww+iG3s4GIZNr5G6kwxVfI ztAKoc7hcFy8Y5smxh9hOStxSgiZmGAKbkHKpUGSYDMKa+85GG2mWnCpoXZFRcZbDdt+ /tVQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7A55305150BF9E6EAE16F920@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> References: <7A55305150BF9E6EAE16F920@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 12:37:22 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Reverb plugin for mac From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:37:23 +0000 (UTC) The free reverb you already have on the Mac is great! It's called AUMatricReverb and the search path in any host application is "Audio Units / Apple / AUMatricReverb". If you want "something outstanding" I must recommend Aether by 2C-Audio. I used it to great value in this recording: http://soundcloud.com/pboy/hope as for an example. No impulse response reverb sounds a good as Aether to me. I'm not sure why but I think it has to do with the fact that Aether changes its sound parameters slightly all the time; just like a real room's acoustics do (as people move there heads now and then when seated in an auditorium), the same trick used in the hardware Lexicon reverb boxes. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Philip Conway wrote: > ValhallaRoom is great for $50. A bunch of different algorithms, tweakable > but not complicated and it's regularly updated too. > > > --On 30 July 2012 09:22 +0000 Gareth Whittock > wrote: > >> >> Any nominations here? Free preferably but I will pay for something >> outstanding.. >> >> >> Peace >> >> >> >> Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> >> From: buddhamachine@live.co.uk >> To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: RE: Delay VST PlugIn Survey >> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:21:10 +0000 >> >> >> Augustus loop gets my vote. Really ugly standard interface but very well >> thought out - can be used as a looper too.. >> >> >> Peace, >> >> >> g >> >> Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk >> >> >> >> >>> > >>> > Quick survey for you computer-bound loopists: >>> > >>> > What VST delay plug ins are you using and loving? >>> > >>> > I am working in Ableton on a Mac - and I've been attempting to wean >>> > off hardware as much as possible. Moving from my Timeline to Ableton's >>> > SimpleDelay was easy enough, but SimpleDelay is kind of cold and >>> > transient-forward compared to the warmth of the Timeline (myriad other >>> > features notwithstanding). >>> > >>> > There re tons of delay plugins out there - where to begin...? >>> > >>> > Phil :) >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 30 10:51:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C77B183461; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:51:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=xfw3TyFUGtPvQrH1nbmdX+wNkI2k6OxquxRcF2nCE8Q=; b=QehZc+LoK2n3lHPZd1BmxLnrzau809qm/FYjzMLANNkpb0v3FYYor+ciCNUQm28JIB TfJQ99flW80hzxVPEnRA9m4XrJQPFGAyZ/fwiWeyiE4ddv9UW60N0NpyijBf6lgIlBNF hsd/jpH5q1s6VvdFTqiNba/SCEzgCN/GMubI9Lg5rOUdjimThxF1TBiH2q9H2c32yjmG nD5B7vrREEqcK8SVapg1A0jLdgskWYp0ga9cjPYyMHs1E1E5/M0ipq3XqL8PWzRkeX0G Aam5S9tUvraB4fOk3nlbAz/muaX+/SK2MCgvDsrE4V7k+7ht4VEWJNmRt+qhIqnUVvMX 05eQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120730021917.8180.92442.levelstar.mail@everest> References: <20120730021917.8180.92442.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 12:51:08 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Any young loopers? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:51:09 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 4:19 AM, Tyler wrote: > Since looping is being used in a lot of the electronically-produced music of today Aren't you confusing "looping" with "loops played back" here? ;-)) Back on topic - interesting thread! When I joined this list ten years ago I was amazed when finally finding out the quite impressive age of some people writing the most exciting posts! That felt very refreshing to me back then, because up to then I had lived with the impression that only quite young people shared my esthetics in music. I think it's very cool with the Loopers-Delight that people are of all ages but still (sometimes) talk about stuff we all relate to in a similar way. Oh... almost forgot. No, I'm not under 25. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 30 14:21:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9592183462; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:21:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=de4lG9b5LBLbdPP1mBfs3/eRZB7j2kpYfCvmEe8raAk= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=UncmS/Am0Fgh8c8TZh5eWA==:17 a=r9kNYETKAAAA:8 a=L_OH8e2HAAAA:8 a=zWSFQDO9AAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=n1b1Vub2_NTs6nwvrn0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=hfMOuKFDpboA:10 a=XXj62jwV0mIA:10 a=AQS8kHd1Ap8A:10 a=84tsCWNHjc4A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=xd_drDOT58MjL5ur:21 a=7aOoUdy-MdG5mgVv:21 a=UncmS/Am0Fgh8c8TZh5eWA==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Reverb plugin for mac From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 07:21:29 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2CC4098C-0E65-4AF8-AE6E-86B99C7F9B4F@charter.net> References: ,, To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:21:30 +0000 (UTC) Gareth, For a while there TC Electronic were giving away their M30 reverb = plug-in for FREE. They sell their M40 for $199 USD. But the M30 (I would guess it's an earlier version or something) might = possibly still be available (I think) for only $39 USD here: It sounds pretty good to my ears and is not a CPU hog like a lot of = reverbs are. Best, Ted On Jul 30, 2012, at 2:22 AM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > Any nominations here? Free preferably but I will pay for something = outstanding.. >=20 > Peace >=20 >=20 > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk >=20 > From: buddhamachine@live.co.uk > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Delay VST PlugIn Survey > Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:21:10 +0000 >=20 > Augustus loop gets my vote. Really ugly standard interface but very = well thought out - can be used as a looper too.. >=20 > Peace, >=20 > g >=20 > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk >=20 >=20 > > >=20 > > > Quick survey for you computer-bound loopists: > > >=20 > > > What VST delay plug ins are you using and loving? > > >=20 > > > I am working in Ableton on a Mac - and I've been attempting to = wean off hardware as much as possible. Moving from my Timeline to = Ableton's SimpleDelay was easy enough, but SimpleDelay is kind of cold = and transient-forward compared to the warmth of the Timeline (myriad = other features notwithstanding).=20 > > >=20 > > > There re tons of delay plugins out there - where to begin...? > > >=20 > > > Phil :) > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 30 16:33:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AAA48183461; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:33:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=PiW5EF3LJ/hUucrCNIStwrwK4Vf7bb8nd0ON9pO/rSg=; b=Hfkui96lWi8HS8b4g6M2ktFxgvtEefqGklH35IoUQq9LCgQRGscg9ehtp5uWoP7IUt KIBj8j+GJYrR6HaVra6X8QW3fC+WPp6kyAhg2HPmaqlLR3j+QnJ6dvcDcMWGSOmO6o58 SyCX+o1QJHOO2or5unZP1K4AiAvMeZZ2svHexSRWa7pmDtPgXau9zY9T+L/fHDChK3Fp 4rHEIjHJR3ggLZEPcrsfKRPQPAx6DLfRB7XQwES3xf7rvZvtDZlij13dS6yxZUlkBJPn luiU6lMb9AHNyG7gCw2WkVQiyub/gtlQRndYxPcRxwZZwwppmjPMHRYSXGMPdxgAiQQp M3nw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:33:57 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: The looper in AxeFx II From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <17SJyB.A.XlB.2drFQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:33:58 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I just was surprised reading about what a nice looper comes as part of the guitar amp Fractal Audio Systems Axe Fx II. See for yourself in the manual quote below: The Axe-Fx has a full-featured Looper which allows you to create multi-layered performances in real time. The maximum loop time varies from 15 to 60 seconds, depending on your choices for mono/stereo/undo. Looper functions can be operated from the Axe-Fx front panel, or remotely via MIDI. Looper CC# assignments appear on the CONTROL page of the I/O menu Looper Basic Controls RECORD =E2=80=93 When you press RECORD, the Looper starts recording (if you hadn=E2=80=99t guessed as much we have to wonder...) Here=E2=80=99s somethi= ng that=E2=80=99s not as obvious: press record again to stop recording and instantly start playback. This prevents you needing to hunt around for more than one footswitch to start a loop. If the record length reaches the maximum allowed for the current mode, recording will end and playback will stop automatically. PLAY =E2=80=93 This switch has two functions: use it to stop recording and begin playback, or use it to instantly stop playback that is already rolling. A momentary switch can be assigned to PLAY for stutter effects. ONCE =E2=80=93 Toggles =E2=80=9Cauto-stop at loop-end,=E2=80=9D so that if = playback is running, the looper will stop automatically when it reaches the end of the loop. If playback is already stopped, ONCE will start playback, play through the loop and then stop. You cannot go directly from RECORD to ONCE. STACK =E2=80=93 Overdubs audio on an existing loop. Pressing it again stops the addition but playback continues. Existing audio is faded every time through the loop based on the setting of the DUB MIX parameter on the Looper=E2=80=99s MIX page. UNDO =E2=80=93 This removes the most recently recorded overdub. Undo remove= s a given =E2=80=9Ctake,=E2=80=9D defined as everything between when you presse= d STACK to start overdub recording and when you turned it off. REV =E2=80=93 Pressing this reverses the direction of the Looper. Playback = and STACK recording are supported. HALF =E2=80=93 Slows the Looper=E2=80=99s speed to half. Playback and norma= l or overdub recording are supported at half speed. For double speed playback, record in half speed and then switch back to normal. Note: Halving the speed slightly reduces high-end frequency response. Each Axe-Fx II preset can use one Looper block. Looper Advanced Controls MODE =E2=80=93 Selects the Looper mode, determining mono/stereo, looper length, and undo. Whenever you change the mode, the looper memory will be entirely cleared. MONO =E2=80=93 Recording and playback are in mono. Maximum loop length is 6= 0 seconds. Undo is not possible. STEREO =E2=80=93 Recording and playback are in stereo. Maximum loop length = is 30 seconds. Undo is not possible. MONO UNDO =E2=80=93 Recording and playbac= k are in mono. Maximum loop length is 30 seconds. Undo works. STEREO UNDO =E2=80=93 Recording and playback are in mono. Maximum loop leng= th is 60 seconds. Undo works. QUANT =E2=80=93 With quantize enabled, loop length is perfectly set to some whole number of beats) with reference to the pulses of the Axe-Fx GLOBAL TEMPO (see p. 146)). THRSH =E2=80=93 The Axe-Fx Looper can start recording automatically when th= e input exceeds a set level. Turn this feature ON or OFF using this parameter. THRSH LEVEL =E2=80=93 This sets the level which must be exceeded at the inp= ut of the Looper for recording to start automatically. DUB MIX =E2=80=93 Actually located on the Looper=E2=80=99s MIX page, this d= etermines how much layers are reduced when you STACK new layers. If you never want old layers to decay, set this to 100%, but be aware that adding additional layers in this way can result in excessive signal and clipping. Looper Mix Parameters The Looper has a MIX page with LEVEL, BALANCE, and BYPASS MODE parameters. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 30 17:50:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E03B183462; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:50:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Xo5IVh8JtBcZZLq1WClfGhUGp+HaX7/3WrhmyskUYyE=; b=ABXTlSqByWb6SgJ5vDvBdLh0sYEaeOiHIQJi/kRvlK81X3n8amuyuIyfXzs7tdKM05 +GV3n5BBoZp/Tbs0XY1/oVAGovNdqk124vsYm0GwC7ovokhDE4ojKpPFe0z+5cVrJDaB kbJxKWlgN1DSEXWwqvSno6JvWRy9MvfjjcPEzp3Lx1xebkK53weCWWg7eJKH5kR13NM7 KIqWvzFI0uZUu8Cpw9qkpzoFzenPz3hwANXgjODLkKIbbrPedQy2P8pi1ub8qMrIesW6 HEo03TMJxSdUaTdjxajaMDlX/He9S2HaR8WzxQuwMt1uQozjrRDZxvSi8i+oK7Y6Ku+V bKUg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 12:50:41 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The looper in AxeFx II From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:50:43 +0000 (UTC) Dub mix and threshold are a nice touch! Ricky On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi, > > I just was surprised reading about what a nice looper comes as part of > the guitar amp Fractal Audio Systems Axe Fx II. See for yourself in > the manual quote below: > > > The Axe-Fx has a full-featured Looper which allows you to create > multi-layered performances in real time. The > maximum loop time varies from 15 to 60 seconds, depending on your > choices for mono/stereo/undo. > > Looper functions can be operated from the Axe-Fx front panel, or > remotely via MIDI. Looper CC# assignments appear on the CONTROL page > of the I/O menu > > Looper Basic Controls > RECORD =96 When you press RECORD, the Looper starts recording (if you > hadn=92t guessed as much we have to wonder...) Here=92s something that=92= s > not as obvious: press record again to stop recording and instantly > start > playback. This prevents you needing to hunt around for more than one > footswitch to start a loop. If the record length reaches the maximum > allowed for the current mode, recording will end and playback will > stop automatically. > > PLAY =96 This switch has two functions: use it to stop recording and > begin playback, or use it to instantly stop playback that is already > rolling. A momentary switch can be assigned to PLAY for stutter > effects. > > ONCE =96 Toggles =93auto-stop at loop-end,=94 so that if playback is > running, the looper will stop automatically when it reaches the end of > the loop. If playback is already stopped, ONCE will start playback, > play through the loop and then stop. You cannot go directly from > RECORD to ONCE. > > STACK =96 Overdubs audio on an existing loop. Pressing it again stops > the addition but playback continues. Existing audio is faded every > time through the loop based on the setting of the DUB MIX parameter on > the Looper=92s MIX page. > > UNDO =96 This removes the most recently recorded overdub. Undo removes a > given =93take,=94 defined as everything between when you pressed STACK to > start overdub recording and when you turned it off. > > REV =96 Pressing this reverses the direction of the Looper. Playback and > STACK recording are supported. > > HALF =96 Slows the Looper=92s speed to half. Playback and normal or > overdub recording are supported at half speed. For double speed > playback, record in half speed and then switch back to normal. Note: > Halving the speed slightly reduces high-end frequency response. > Each Axe-Fx II preset can use one Looper block. Looper Advanced Controls > > MODE =96 Selects the Looper mode, determining mono/stereo, looper > length, and undo. Whenever you change the mode, the looper memory will > be entirely cleared. > > MONO =96 Recording and playback are in mono. Maximum loop length is 60 > seconds. Undo is not possible. > > STEREO =96 Recording and playback are in stereo. Maximum loop length is > 30 seconds. Undo is not possible. MONO UNDO =96 Recording and playback > are in mono. Maximum loop length is 30 seconds. Undo works. > > STEREO UNDO =96 Recording and playback are in mono. Maximum loop length > is 60 seconds. Undo works. > > QUANT =96 With quantize enabled, loop length is perfectly set to some > whole number of beats) with reference to the pulses of the Axe-Fx > GLOBAL TEMPO (see p. 146)). > > THRSH =96 The Axe-Fx Looper can start recording automatically when the > input exceeds a set level. Turn this feature ON or OFF using this > parameter. > > THRSH LEVEL =96 This sets the level which must be exceeded at the input > of the Looper for recording to start automatically. > > DUB MIX =96 Actually located on the Looper=92s MIX page, this determines > how much layers are reduced when you STACK new layers. If you never > want old layers to decay, set this to 100%, but be aware that adding > additional layers in this way can result in excessive signal and > clipping. > > Looper Mix Parameters > The Looper has a MIX page with LEVEL, BALANCE, and BYPASS MODE parameters= . > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 30 18:16:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1E15183464; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:16:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-27-292741735 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Delay VST PlugIn Survey Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 11:16:01 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:16:09 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-27-292741735 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I am working in Ableton on a Mac - and I've been attempting to wean > off hardware as much as possible. My recommendation is to wean your timeline into a shipping box and down to me:-) Bill --Apple-Mail-27-292741735 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I am working in Ableton on a Mac - and I've been attempting to wean off hardware as much as possible. 

 My recommendation is to wean your timeline into a shipping box and down to me:-)  
Bill
--Apple-Mail-27-292741735-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 30 18:24:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9562118345E; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:24:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=nbK2ZnucSdpMh+BIwCD9C/9xhlfoO3ycsbHOEwjHcf0=; b=guq+k+m3DT0r8fzVmiU+LCmZBRjqLE5glalATt19VnmRj27revRWd4XoHGlKjRt9yc OKs9kccum5TAM534t0fuARwQPgqdBi1dIv0l4eanNGt8w54Jlw/8Sp3fiKH+tP9kU2XQ aAvB1uu8oduXncYYUScItHIDtynHdErFY5WUt+L6RbKJj+wrtUq33D19wZc4T14sKTvg Mp1/GyRrddUp1SrCpE99+J0PGWx4Rq3l8I/avl8y0cqhLIcwqRf7Y9c8kNNtTCwsvKJK 30vLYpzduDUC52eKwxh46xyhrRJUWmqffjv0Nj+2BAfF1tG7LgPvQUHWAc/usK1ylgQO k2+g== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:24:30 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The looper in AxeFx II From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:24:34 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Dub mix and threshold are a nice touch! Yep. "Dub mix" is just what we usually call "feedback" and here you may assign an expression pedal to it. Threshold recording is something I must confess never having used although all my loopers support it. I prefer a direct kick pad for the Record function. One disappointment is the implementation of the Record function. I would much rather have it "EDP style", i.e. instantly deleting the loop and starting over recording a new loop. It's cool with me if the "Boss style", going "overdub" on the second press, only is active IF IN RECORD MODE because then a third press of Record could be used to instantly delete the loop and start recording a new loop. I could not make out if this is the case from the way the manual is written. Probably not. But one can suggest that. I've heard that the developer accepts good suggestions to implement in system upgrades. Would be cool if the looper block could optionally be used to set a new tempo (also "EDP style"). For now you need to dedicate one pedalboard pad for a tap tempo function and in order to use the looper effectively you have to already be playing with a loud and clear tempo function audible from some other effect block. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 30 18:30:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 353BA183466; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:30:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 188191.82865.bm@omp1021.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1343673054; bh=DXuqP0zKUm0JXgWvlSMgAlob8pZyVwi2SHvOqP980xQ=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer; b=j+UbGJ6NnX5UCnhRYY9E+wyuI7nfWufzsf9hSKF09HTM/DrJIC6QvS38fwJl6M8yaYNWIvOBYTrUUU5vHbjE3mNd5axbrbVXXq185cf4YuwITMNVlNSPTiUMfUj2dWG6DQjZUNODlPKhyJUUVDnY0mn0ykuCxOKuiibYHNIesu0= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: clIbK4gVM1m4fPiKfAn1CwFC572Djqdw2T8hnkN2KSgwl5F H.IQbBbxPxVbjtjF167Sn2YmgpHafFyGWuPjvx58MBXVQyjIu_mzbILUkaC1 PEHMftFM9mCLOlT1u3Wf.DGIIvwfgmqjH.BvVm72l6VPCyGyJewWGMuAa9us U9rCMG3uHGTfOZ7jGSAmVAYOJPvIKTBbcZY08zOOX4IO1SjRSlpqRnxieHuN 07HjIrWEQpfWRxxB4chIzT61dujdfoFnllC1UnhTBzBowvO5VTjp_mdPQ3L9 o_IFuKN4.ckKL1.cNlgPGVXfpz7GemYN0Zwm0JF1RXiEVK38DAm6h8mYcfx1 DrGpkPONBjJgHvp4ysobJ1fAmmfo.0VV3RXrIr98esMUVViJetOB4qp5BTEu TRgpcwlOalEjSMyBiP3uxzvrkZnI_Zd1rlbczMvBh4ZMySit5EY.CPwHcarO Kx.be4C3k5gfnjGMbGQo3vV1c3HU19rnWJ8crkknfPpoXeHGz39GzE335WE4 G8SOqqt9wM5N54me6VUYV_ZxtmtHMSotWB1lReq9YADPY.fxxw7ZW1f_F.Lw - X-Yahoo-SMTP: ILs26NSswBDuK82.iJb8TCN7cubm0SmUbZYidhSBIQ-- Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Subject: Re: The looper in AxeFx II From: Laurie Amat In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 11:30:56 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:30:55 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per,=20 Since you know so much about this all, can you tell me the difference = between the Axe FX II and the Axe FX Ultra? On Jul 30, 2012, at 9:33 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I just was surprised reading about what a nice looper comes as part of > the guitar amp Fractal Audio Systems Axe Fx II. See for yourself in > the manual quote below: >=20 >=20 > The Axe-Fx has a full-featured Looper which allows you to create > multi-layered performances in real time. The > maximum loop time varies from 15 to 60 seconds, depending on your > choices for mono/stereo/undo. >=20 > Looper functions can be operated from the Axe-Fx front panel, or > remotely via MIDI. Looper CC# assignments appear on the CONTROL page > of the I/O menu >=20 > Looper Basic Controls > RECORD =96 When you press RECORD, the Looper starts recording (if you > hadn=92t guessed as much we have to wonder...) Here=92s something = that=92s > not as obvious: press record again to stop recording and instantly > start > playback. This prevents you needing to hunt around for more than one > footswitch to start a loop. If the record length reaches the maximum > allowed for the current mode, recording will end and playback will > stop automatically. >=20 > PLAY =96 This switch has two functions: use it to stop recording and > begin playback, or use it to instantly stop playback that is already > rolling. A momentary switch can be assigned to PLAY for stutter > effects. >=20 > ONCE =96 Toggles =93auto-stop at loop-end,=94 so that if playback is > running, the looper will stop automatically when it reaches the end of > the loop. If playback is already stopped, ONCE will start playback, > play through the loop and then stop. You cannot go directly from > RECORD to ONCE. >=20 > STACK =96 Overdubs audio on an existing loop. Pressing it again stops > the addition but playback continues. Existing audio is faded every > time through the loop based on the setting of the DUB MIX parameter on > the Looper=92s MIX page. >=20 > UNDO =96 This removes the most recently recorded overdub. Undo removes = a > given =93take,=94 defined as everything between when you pressed STACK = to > start overdub recording and when you turned it off. >=20 > REV =96 Pressing this reverses the direction of the Looper. Playback = and > STACK recording are supported. >=20 > HALF =96 Slows the Looper=92s speed to half. Playback and normal or > overdub recording are supported at half speed. For double speed > playback, record in half speed and then switch back to normal. Note: > Halving the speed slightly reduces high-end frequency response. > Each Axe-Fx II preset can use one Looper block. Looper Advanced = Controls >=20 > MODE =96 Selects the Looper mode, determining mono/stereo, looper > length, and undo. Whenever you change the mode, the looper memory will > be entirely cleared. >=20 > MONO =96 Recording and playback are in mono. Maximum loop length is 60 > seconds. Undo is not possible. >=20 > STEREO =96 Recording and playback are in stereo. Maximum loop length = is > 30 seconds. Undo is not possible. MONO UNDO =96 Recording and playback > are in mono. Maximum loop length is 30 seconds. Undo works. >=20 > STEREO UNDO =96 Recording and playback are in mono. Maximum loop = length > is 60 seconds. Undo works. >=20 > QUANT =96 With quantize enabled, loop length is perfectly set to some > whole number of beats) with reference to the pulses of the Axe-Fx > GLOBAL TEMPO (see p. 146)). >=20 > THRSH =96 The Axe-Fx Looper can start recording automatically when the > input exceeds a set level. Turn this feature ON or OFF using this > parameter. >=20 > THRSH LEVEL =96 This sets the level which must be exceeded at the = input > of the Looper for recording to start automatically. >=20 > DUB MIX =96 Actually located on the Looper=92s MIX page, this = determines > how much layers are reduced when you STACK new layers. If you never > want old layers to decay, set this to 100%, but be aware that adding > additional layers in this way can result in excessive signal and > clipping. >=20 > Looper Mix Parameters > The Looper has a MIX page with LEVEL, BALANCE, and BYPASS MODE = parameters. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 30 18:43:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04E49183478; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:43:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mnsCO78ufqMzz+v2+hpacyrhBR9fTZ3vOq/Bb2nx4C4=; b=IDPQnDZ9SyAmoHf26xQ7MviPLQDtk86im5u1kzzfk7gfykXm+bUlOkgLLwCNebzbLw ZVr3nfp96yeqLEQbgjhnVom6j/tdHBeJyFhEmI2hVxKBYy08NJ/hbhHg8iAF6s9oKtXT 5L7XNsa6R6d3MkQWu2nTzLWZgjg3NNC/VDpzpkbP4ApoIThb6qtX9zh64xA5zJXvkwvK +Op0RcChmZiwtHjc8S0qrupFHlU0Hfvbu0LZsIasA6SUGzBPD+CB8zFOZb3I3JNH6gew qbNm18jp8mc1fjSf3EiiFPx85EsNpO2u29NmBZrQrGfnq+1LwMoYKWOGlZoeozVOGuns vrfQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:43:50 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The looper in AxeFx II From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <3M7a4D.A._jD.nXtFQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:43:51 +0000 (UTC) The II is newer and better than the Ultra. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Laurie Amat wrote: > Hi Per, > > Since you know so much about this all, can you tell me the difference bet= ween the Axe FX II and the Axe FX Ultra? > > On Jul 30, 2012, at 9:33 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I just was surprised reading about what a nice looper comes as part of >> the guitar amp Fractal Audio Systems Axe Fx II. See for yourself in >> the manual quote below: >> >> >> The Axe-Fx has a full-featured Looper which allows you to create >> multi-layered performances in real time. The >> maximum loop time varies from 15 to 60 seconds, depending on your >> choices for mono/stereo/undo. >> >> Looper functions can be operated from the Axe-Fx front panel, or >> remotely via MIDI. Looper CC# assignments appear on the CONTROL page >> of the I/O menu >> >> Looper Basic Controls >> RECORD =E2=80=93 When you press RECORD, the Looper starts recording (if = you >> hadn=E2=80=99t guessed as much we have to wonder...) Here=E2=80=99s some= thing that=E2=80=99s >> not as obvious: press record again to stop recording and instantly >> start >> playback. This prevents you needing to hunt around for more than one >> footswitch to start a loop. If the record length reaches the maximum >> allowed for the current mode, recording will end and playback will >> stop automatically. >> >> PLAY =E2=80=93 This switch has two functions: use it to stop recording a= nd >> begin playback, or use it to instantly stop playback that is already >> rolling. A momentary switch can be assigned to PLAY for stutter >> effects. >> >> ONCE =E2=80=93 Toggles =E2=80=9Cauto-stop at loop-end,=E2=80=9D so that = if playback is >> running, the looper will stop automatically when it reaches the end of >> the loop. If playback is already stopped, ONCE will start playback, >> play through the loop and then stop. You cannot go directly from >> RECORD to ONCE. >> >> STACK =E2=80=93 Overdubs audio on an existing loop. Pressing it again st= ops >> the addition but playback continues. Existing audio is faded every >> time through the loop based on the setting of the DUB MIX parameter on >> the Looper=E2=80=99s MIX page. >> >> UNDO =E2=80=93 This removes the most recently recorded overdub. Undo rem= oves a >> given =E2=80=9Ctake,=E2=80=9D defined as everything between when you pre= ssed STACK to >> start overdub recording and when you turned it off. >> >> REV =E2=80=93 Pressing this reverses the direction of the Looper. Playba= ck and >> STACK recording are supported. >> >> HALF =E2=80=93 Slows the Looper=E2=80=99s speed to half. Playback and no= rmal or >> overdub recording are supported at half speed. For double speed >> playback, record in half speed and then switch back to normal. Note: >> Halving the speed slightly reduces high-end frequency response. >> Each Axe-Fx II preset can use one Looper block. Looper Advanced Controls >> >> MODE =E2=80=93 Selects the Looper mode, determining mono/stereo, looper >> length, and undo. Whenever you change the mode, the looper memory will >> be entirely cleared. >> >> MONO =E2=80=93 Recording and playback are in mono. Maximum loop length i= s 60 >> seconds. Undo is not possible. >> >> STEREO =E2=80=93 Recording and playback are in stereo. Maximum loop leng= th is >> 30 seconds. Undo is not possible. MONO UNDO =E2=80=93 Recording and play= back >> are in mono. Maximum loop length is 30 seconds. Undo works. >> >> STEREO UNDO =E2=80=93 Recording and playback are in mono. Maximum loop l= ength >> is 60 seconds. Undo works. >> >> QUANT =E2=80=93 With quantize enabled, loop length is perfectly set to s= ome >> whole number of beats) with reference to the pulses of the Axe-Fx >> GLOBAL TEMPO (see p. 146)). >> >> THRSH =E2=80=93 The Axe-Fx Looper can start recording automatically when= the >> input exceeds a set level. Turn this feature ON or OFF using this >> parameter. >> >> THRSH LEVEL =E2=80=93 This sets the level which must be exceeded at the = input >> of the Looper for recording to start automatically. >> >> DUB MIX =E2=80=93 Actually located on the Looper=E2=80=99s MIX page, thi= s determines >> how much layers are reduced when you STACK new layers. If you never >> want old layers to decay, set this to 100%, but be aware that adding >> additional layers in this way can result in excessive signal and >> clipping. >> >> Looper Mix Parameters >> The Looper has a MIX page with LEVEL, BALANCE, and BYPASS MODE parameter= s. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 30 18:43:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E81F218347E; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:43:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=DZbAFTqKZjMxWH8NIAplcm5XtdQxmjJ9zHQT9xpSMXw=; b=RhpEXkdd2zjJhCocSbbq4NRs4ohHWXUwcknSJwabYPaBWf0i6BSP5P/lpN6Oi4xWzm 5Y0JMTe5VCYyNWfbRJn5yASQ501jM3qFibvp7InUa7szlMOde36lGXtB2Y7UUQRg4uOK a/0HyqlkMSrNWexrs8uJmB1o246Uj8H1euakI/0TUXJZ6P/pvhJ16LGM6cz5d3cQfTHj q3Ibub5lo9iSRQy5Bp+O8M3PWW3MAKDpxrFYdBlP/P73QgzKLs+1OeWMmgB4pI4+jQfL 7J8uqRdsR2Vh64aIO8lkQM2awEZNU/wJ8g7mbX/HN8FRwmnE84f2Ie6QQIOVagJp0mSw 2ZJQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 19:43:56 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The looper in AxeFx II From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:43:56 +0000 (UTC) i'll answer that if you like. the axe fx II is a completely different design - it uses two tigersharc chips instead of one and one of them is dedicated solely to the amp modelling. the fx are almost the same, with a few notable exceptions - the rotary block in the II is much better than in the ultra....the II has a tape delay (with the ability to alter tape speed)....and more drive types and more amp types. the amp modelling has been totally re-written for the II, uses much more processing power and is therefore more realistic. you can take an impulse response of any guitar cabinet and also tone match any guitar tone and match any amp (like the kemper) we're just about to get firmware 7 for the II, which will include updates to the preamp modelling, more effects and more drive types. the reverb block has also been totally rewritten (and sounds amazing) if you're looking for an effects processor and don't need the amp modelling, then i would have said the ultra would probably be the way to go, but the gap is widening with every firmware update sim On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 7:30 PM, Laurie Amat wrote: > Hi Per, > > Since you know so much about this all, can you tell me the difference between the Axe FX II and the Axe FX Ultra? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 30 23:25:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F619183455; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 23:25:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=9hU0CuVXO+Aa3qp6SHvSZGG6msbw7Dz4fy4kR9zgLoc=; b=CI0f1zwc5LOP4fLYCCLUrUpCtHpV6XrBpQfijkQM1QP6K1ukkSInhUcBt5CaF3+HiW +B63/T1/cesfVb0GCVLYppOpq2xPrKxzBA46ys6mrVZByYGt3TQmkPIn+NxuX4DrXPoF WH32X4VNnTNdsyfsxa/PSIHt7mw7umT47FocetFdDYTSMsu7OdDenmswkxJre38wpAhF kFp7Sbr6f1gAAZ4eJrbSvMOZtIA67hHVLppEfkOC2qVOOopQ2FeniFPDe2UhUrChdWQ9 HK8+2gCh0+p4p3DemeqvlV8JIu3X8D2keFlou5j7dLZAKB9MPil6XLVGBayttM9+OH4B VzKA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:25:24 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Odd side question: anyone had braces while vocal beatboxing / looping? From: Rob Jellinghaus To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b621c344e9acd04c61460fa Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 23:25:25 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b621c344e9acd04c61460fa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I hope this isn't tooooo off-topic for this list, but this is one of the relatively few lists that can understand my specific concern! First, my looper cred: I've been working on a Kinect-based live-looping project named Holofunk (http://robjsoftware.org/2011/09/21/holofunk-lives/). After demoing it a fair bit this summer I've concluded that I have a few key features to finish if I'm going to make it really performance-worthy. I corresponded with Rick about this year's looper festival in Santa Cruz, but concluded I'm not ready to do a half-hour show yet, and won't be by October; so I decided to pass on it this year. Which is all fine -- I'm definitely making progress on those features -- but: I also have been diagnosed as needing braces. I'll have to have them for about two years. Teenager at age 43, that's me. I would *like* to come play at *next* year's looper festival, because I'll definitely be ready by then :-) But now I'm nervous that braces will make beatboxing -- something I want to learn to do much better -- either uncomfortable, or bad-sounding (due to weird tooth-to-lip interference), or both. Am I just making this concern up? Or do braces actually genuinely affect the ability to beatbox and do other lip-intensive kinds of singing? I am pretty sure I will get them this year either way (got to get it over with...), but I just want to know what to mentally prepare myself for. Anyone been in this situation? What was your experience? Net surfing anecdotes vary, which is why I'm looking for more first-hand input. Thanks for your patience with my left-field issue :-) Cheers, Rob -- Check my blog --> http://robjsoftware.org --047d7b621c344e9acd04c61460fa Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I hope this isn't tooooo off-topic for this list, but this is one = of the relatively few lists that can understand my specific concern!
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First, my looper cred:=A0 I've been working on a Kine= ct-based live-looping project named Holofunk (http://robjsoftware.org/2011/09/21/holofu= nk-lives/).=A0 After demoing it a fair bit this summer I've conclud= ed that I have a few key features to finish if I'm going to make it rea= lly performance-worthy.=A0 I corresponded with Rick about this year's l= ooper festival in Santa Cruz, but concluded I'm not ready to do a half-= hour show yet, and won't be by October; so I decided to pass on it this= year.
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Which is all fine -- I'm definitely making progress = on those features -- but: I also have been diagnosed as needing braces.=A0 = I'll have to have them for about two years.=A0 Teenager at age 43, that= 's me.
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I would like to come play at next year= 's looper festival, because I'll definitely be ready by then=A0:-)= =A0 But now I'm nervous that braces will make beatboxing -- something I= want to learn to do much better --=A0either uncomfortable, or bad-sounding= (due to weird tooth-to-lip interference), or both.
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Am I just making this concern up?=A0 Or do braces actual= ly genuinely affect the ability to beatbox and do other lip-intensive kinds= of singing?=A0 I am pretty sure I will get them this year either way (got = to get it over with...), but I just want to know what to mentally prepare m= yself for.
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Anyone been in this situation?=A0 What was your experien= ce?=A0
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Net surfing anecdotes vary, which is why I&= #39;m looking for more first-hand input.
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Thanks for= your patience with my left-field issue :-)
Cheers,
Rob

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--047d7b621c344e9acd04c61460fa-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 31 01:27:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D03B183455; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 01:27:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=HLOD5XxSrrOfS4SgnX7gHTMD3HdKGAYJdLaJy6fp34I=; b=tE4lm89TT3eogzZGgIcCCkw/ZkMpXK2bnTuE/Bh0rH3RoXZrdqSuu6SmshZnayt9an iqavNvSpYBzfUD6hpIgWnA+Bjw1AxPJkNXiPaPqui+3oZkTzRiFGz3qR4uEZiN4eA09E KU39tyT80zjhvWnOC/nB+NqQTIqBefXOJmcs/VUCVzhLCxdnFxo9Yl6nKYGvaXhNi+Hr InsOfpxUewF5KqJMJkRfECM9V9wOlfja26HWV5L+L9CvBYUI7kT0GlBGI3TP2AUPnEDo cgepFS8GlBXBPlDcAA2v83lWIYQtObZ9FHVhnZnEqa177IbYbzLE+f3pH3RUFVu9dc6f PIvQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120730021917.8180.92442.levelstar.mail@everest> References: <20120730021917.8180.92442.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:27:12 +0900 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Any young loopers? From: michael noble To: Tyler Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151747b49aefa2c004c61613f7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 01:27:14 +0000 (UTC) --00151747b49aefa2c004c61613f7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 How about a "once was young" looper? I was going over the archives and realized I was 25 when I joined the list in 2001. --00151747b49aefa2c004c61613f7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How about a "once was young" looper? I was going over the archive= s and realized I was 25 when I joined the list in 2001.=A0 --00151747b49aefa2c004c61613f7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 31 03:02:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 017F0183460; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 03:02:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=f/1m1L6r0EtF6jY5/rC8Z33FaDEz871iIAEj1z6BB90=; b=G0RzFrEtpHhx9k582C4LCJriw1L7RtXRx3TWxYqIkh2DmIue5mHR/VG9eWFUkDLw+8 gyH/ZoMcVHiXwJQyVMD73lY1INghT2hNwHnv1M9/5lt79qM1XwA1KPaIOoBCdb0FUVK/ X2b7ZiJDSn1fIazyktjOyn4VSRm2m5u3iAB7mrP6glkOqqm0LK00Yem0ssTrrvgU3R+1 FEfBoghL9jRGxg0wZ0PwU2WWhxfRle+F6WpL1ln3+s/Pvl18oQHlL9OKbtyg0N17VGk3 bn1zU9y+9Jn9W2f5CqfacVVkcvFJ8uAF/3/R6zkDD+criwGGSC0ejPWn8cSrAPzO6gQ5 94qw== References: From: Akraf Emaho In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 04:02:07 +0100 Message-ID: <2483822907602553858@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: Odd side question: anyone had braces while vocal beatboxing / looping? To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae934051d69e4d304c61767dd Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 03:02:09 +0000 (UTC) --14dae934051d69e4d304c61767dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Rob, I've not done beat boxing with braces, but plenty of singing, so I have some insight. Mainly it will depend on what kind of braces you have: fixed (train track), one or more removable braces, or a combination of the two. Depending on the work you're having done, and the skill of your orthodontist, the number of braces needed and types used may change several times in the course of treatment. Removable braces interfere with all types of singing to some extent, but the advantage is you can take them out. Removables with an open palate so the tongue can touch the top of the mouth interfere less and at least make singing possible while wearing them. Fixed braces interfere much less than Removables because the tongue can reach all of the normal positions and there's not a bunch of plastic changing the shape of your mouth. I'm not too sure about beat boxing as I didn't do any lip-intensive work when I had fixed installed. They certainly change the shapes that your lips are able to take up because they take up space in front of the teeth, so some adaptation would be required. They'll also change the air flow somewhat so again this will change things. Whether it will be a deal-breaker I don't know, but I expect you'd be able to work around it with practice. It also depends on the holders being used for the train tracks and how neatly it's done at the back. I've had braces that didn't allow me to rapidly and repeatedly go from "smile" to "ooo" and back without lacerating the insides of my cheeks, which would mess with your bass and snare recording I think! What work are you having done exactly? Expanding the palate while straightening the teeth? That's generally pretty safe but takes time. I'm on my second round of orthodontics after work I had done in my teens destroyed my health for the next 20 years. What I've learned is: don't trust any dentist who regards removing teeth as anything other than an absolute last resort. The extraction school of dentistry is responsible for our health epidemics in the forms of ME, CFS, MS, IBS, IBD, chronic headaches etc because they make more money from surgeries than looking after teeth. Akraf On 31 Jul 2012, at 00:25, Rob Jellinghaus wrote: I hope this isn't tooooo off-topic for this list, but this is one of the relatively few lists that can understand my specific concern! First, my looper cred: I've been working on a Kinect-based live-looping project named Holofunk (http://robjsoftware.org/2011/09/21/holofunk-lives/). After demoing it a fair bit this summer I've concluded that I have a few key features to finish if I'm going to make it really performance-worthy. I corresponded with Rick about this year's looper festival in Santa Cruz, but concluded I'm not ready to do a half-hour show yet, and won't be by October; so I decided to pass on it this year. Which is all fine -- I'm definitely making progress on those features -- but: I also have been diagnosed as needing braces. I'll have to have them for about two years. Teenager at age 43, that's me. I would *like* to come play at *next* year's looper festival, because I'll definitely be ready by then :-) But now I'm nervous that braces will make beatboxing -- something I want to learn to do much better -- either uncomfortable, or bad-sounding (due to weird tooth-to-lip interference), or both. Am I just making this concern up? Or do braces actually genuinely affect the ability to beatbox and do other lip-intensive kinds of singing? I am pretty sure I will get them this year either way (got to get it over with...), but I just want to know what to mentally prepare myself for. Anyone been in this situation? What was your experience? Net surfing anecdotes vary, which is why I'm looking for more first-hand input. Thanks for your patience with my left-field issue :-) Cheers, Rob -- Check my blog --> http://robjsoftware.org --14dae934051d69e4d304c61767dd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rob,=A0

I've not done beat boxing with braces, but plenty of singing, s= o I have some insight.

Mainly it will depend on wh= at kind of braces you have: fixed (train track), one or more removable brac= es, or a combination of the two. =A0Depending on the work you're having= done, and the skill of your orthodontist, the number of braces needed and = types used may change several times in the course of treatment.

Removable braces interfere with all types of singing to= some extent, but the advantage is you can take them out. =A0Removables wit= h an open palate so the tongue can touch the top of the mouth interfere les= s and at least make singing possible while wearing them.

Fixed braces interfere much less than Removables becaus= e the tongue can reach all of the normal positions and there's not a bu= nch of plastic changing the shape of your mouth. =A0I'm not too sure ab= out beat boxing as I didn't do any lip-intensive work when I had fixed = installed. =A0They certainly change the shapes that your lips are able to t= ake up because they take up space in front of the teeth, so some adaptation= would be required. =A0They'll also change the air flow somewhat so aga= in this will change things. =A0Whether it will be a deal-breaker I don'= t know, but I expect you'd be able to work around it with practice. =A0= It also depends on the holders being used for the train tracks and how neat= ly it's done at the back. =A0I've had braces that didn't allow = me to rapidly and repeatedly go from "smile" to "ooo" a= nd back without lacerating the insides of my cheeks, which would mess with = your bass and snare recording I think!

What work are you having done exactly? =A0Expanding the= palate while straightening the teeth? =A0That's generally pretty safe = but takes time.

I'm on my second round of orth= odontics after work I had done in my teens destroyed my health for the next= 20 years. =A0What I've learned is: don't trust any dentist who reg= ards removing teeth as anything other than an absolute last resort. =A0The = extraction school of dentistry is responsible for our health epidemics in t= he forms of ME, CFS, MS, IBS, IBD, chronic headaches etc because they make = more money from surgeries than looking after teeth.

Akraf



On 31 Jul 20= 12, at 00:25, Rob Jellinghaus <rjellinghaus@gmail.com> wrote:

I hope this isn't tooooo off-topic for this list, but this is= one of the relatively few lists that can understand my specific concern!
=A0
First, my looper cred:=A0 I've been working on a= Kinect-based live-looping project named Holofunk (http://robjsoftware.org/2011/09/21/h= olofunk-lives/).=A0 After demoing it a fair bit this summer I've co= ncluded that I have a few key features to finish if I'm going to make i= t really performance-worthy.=A0 I corresponded with Rick about this year= 9;s looper festival in Santa Cruz, but concluded I'm not ready to do a = half-hour show yet, and won't be by October; so I decided to pass on it= this year.
=A0
Which is all fine -- I'm definitely making progress = on those features -- but: I also have been diagnosed as needing braces.=A0 = I'll have to have them for about two years.=A0 Teenager at age 43, that= 's me.
=A0
I would like to come play at next year= 's looper festival, because I'll definitely be ready by then=A0:-)= =A0 But now I'm nervous that braces will make beatboxing -- something I= want to learn to do much better --=A0either uncomfortable, or bad-sounding= (due to weird tooth-to-lip interference), or both.
=A0
Am I just making this concern up?=A0 Or do braces actual= ly genuinely affect the ability to beatbox and do other lip-intensive kinds= of singing?=A0 I am pretty sure I will get them this year either way (got = to get it over with...), but I just want to know what to mentally prepare m= yself for.
=A0
Anyone been in this situation?=A0 What was your experien= ce?=A0
=A0
Net surfing anecdotes vary, which is why I&= #39;m looking for more first-hand input.
=A0
Thanks for= your patience with my left-field issue :-)
Cheers,
Rob

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--14dae934051d69e4d304c61767dd-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 31 03:58:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A7C73183465; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 03:58:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=utXE0ybWznj+Exn/UtwCtZ8sGa3ZrulLU0ju2tZkBQU=; b=epxorQjYVfvf6QkWaPNrgyj+49DY0iqR/oy54hIpMZn7M3CHWCwgkm3SJ74napWQ/8 OHK9+BvGRMnjgReK6fNtUBIakSu5dWjr0M7hl3yPMCFBU8vO8S9TwmfOHjIa4UG1TNPX PumgiUHPfqcNFVzP1dmuK5psAOoEGAgnkbJOh8siTEQqcOFkZR9bsKhSY9y6gl0sJRTP FGKQgBq0T/P5vbrykPcZ88NGV4ZR5BBi+QFciyJtHdxI1zoqWgO8jsEUv0HUFFvYO41N 6qzEMMBlir2YriUwgeeDIsBGc4jKKUJO1Jc/EaDMv+J+jZ1bsBC1Dxr/xKg9wqdo2BoI 7w4w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 22:58:13 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How often do you listen to your own music?, From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04430446f9347904c6182f9c Resent-Message-ID: <-S-N0.A.Ie.Wf1FQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 03:58:14 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04430446f9347904c6182f9c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 this summer i haven't listened to much of my music. early summer i did get out some of myold stuff from like 10 yrs ago and listened... whew i thought the stuff was CRAP (mostly)... and i haven't recorded anything in awhile...been trying to decide on my setup and debating a purchase... but in the last week w/ the adding of my old DL8 to my setup again, i may start... during the school yr when i was working, i did a lot of recording stuff to my little handheld tascam recorder and listen to the stuff nonstop before work....it's all the stuff up on my soundclick page...mostly short loop improvs.... although i do think listening tothe old stuff is good...for me it shows that i think i've grown and changed... i should add that also at the beginning of the summer i rewatched one of my old vids that i made for our local Public Access tv (stuff from 04-05), it was my 4 space rack years-my budget david torn setup i called it...i will say that there were sounds i was getting that i can't duplicate anymore just based on the gear....that was a surprise...and at time i do miss that setup....but onwards and upwards hopefully...oh well... s--- --f46d04430446f9347904c6182f9c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
this summer i haven't listened to much of my music.
earl= y summer i did get out some of myold stuff from like 10 yrs ago and listene= d...
whew i thought the stuff was CRAP (mostly)...
and = i haven't recorded anything in awhile...been trying to decide on my set= up and debating a purchase...
but in the last week w/ the adding of my old DL8 to my setup again, i = may start...
during the school yr when i was working, i did a lot= of recording stuff to my little handheld tascam recorder
and lis= ten to the stuff nonstop before work....it's all the stuff up on my sou= ndclick page...mostly short loop
improvs....
although i do think listening tothe old stuff is= good...for me it shows that i think i've grown and changed...
=A0
i should add that also at the beginning of the summer i rew= atched one of my old vids that i made for
our local Public Access tv (stuff from 04-05), it was my 4 space rack = years-my budget david torn setup i called it...i will
say that th= ere were sounds i was getting that i can't duplicate anymore just based= on the gear....that was
a surprise...and at time i do miss that setup....but onwards and upwar= ds hopefully...oh well...
s---
--f46d04430446f9347904c6182f9c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 31 04:22:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80B10183466; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 04:22:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=tcP04REnYEb7YhhjrOcdI0czFxF8UA5t+US96XkRYspTN0atyVEhvRGaEsnS8mag; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <5751743.1343708520892.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 21:22:00 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How often do you listen to your own music?, Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd481fbb27c4e9f14565bf19728076b3df1ea2d4e88014a4647c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.47 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 04:22:11 +0000 (UTC) good for you people who can listen to their own music. I have never been able to. my music does not like digital or ipods,itunes, recordings or ear buds or anything to do w/ modern technology-but I don't mind-because its the 'live' thing thats gives me and my music life! ymmv http://stanosaur.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Scott Hansen Sent: Jul 30, 2012 8:58 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How often do you listen to your own music?, this summer i haven't listened to much of my music.early summer i did get out some of myold stuff from like 10 yrs ago and listened...whew i thought the stuff was CRAP (mostly)...and i haven't recorded anything in awhile...been trying to decide on my setup and debating a purchase... but in the last week w/ the adding of my old DL8 to my setup again, i may start...during the school yr when i was working, i did a lot of recording stuff to my little handheld tascam recorderand listen to the stuff nonstop before work....it's all the stuff up on my soundclick page...mostly short loop improvs....although i do think listening tothe old stuff is good...for me it shows that i think i've grown and changed... i should add that also at the beginning of the summer i rewatched one of my old vids that i made for our local Public Access tv (stuff from 04-05), it was my 4 space rack years-my budget david torn setup i called it...i willsay that there were sounds i was getting that i can't duplicate anymore just based on the gear....that was a surprise...and at time i do miss that setup....but onwards and upwards hopefully...oh well...s--- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 31 05:23:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BFE9183475; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 05:23:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=bAboYogy7ZYk0p9ETt5qTYMsofckJO8fqgGobGxYqew=; b=HzFExLOt/+Yvv1Kcx02XSen/ZOntxZ7AvCxszKu4MjH8ML7yFwlOM4ITALf5o/mDVT JXQnbeOb+lDjT5jeyMO+OcBkdNWowVxpGVFR/u9W5VzondjeyQNo8x7sYz57pAf/zboT 8LvfCqA/9Y8zrZ9zXIBLoBm2PfZFX6ZQInXwdHdHopH6OIZCupcNijGzafExZpl2Kq05 DpuVk41sYUSsNRJb8kptZYv9XMB6r1ifvrM0AOfgSkWk/DA2mauKBVLGgrgh4sJ0ZmwH AMevjVo7wCe6P7kpZgY9IpJFsom77X3rjCBn9lgR9Bn4WLm+BHql8zM4IYJX7YpG60kt Bh1A== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Delay VST PlugIn Survey From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 22:23:53 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 05:23:59 +0000 (UTC) Thanks all, I will start checking these out :) On Jul 30, 2012, at 3:26 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Phil Clevenger > wrote: >> What VST delay plug ins are you using and loving? > > > Two of my fav's are already mentioned: FabFilter Timeless 2 and > SoundToys Echoboy (also great for "vintage reverb"). > > My third favorite delay is the Tape Delay found in Logic and > Mainstage. The cool thing is its nice emulation of tape speed switch > noise. Timeless 2 also has that BTW, but not so simple and sexy as the > Tape Delay plugin. Too bad it is not a separate plugin and only found > as part of Logic and Mainstage. I think though, that you should be > able to set up a similar tape speed noise dub thing with Augustus > Loop. I don't use Augustus in general, as I do with the one mentioned > above, but for specific tasks where I know that "this thing I want > here is a typical case for Augustus". I kind of use Augustus more as a > looper than for delay effect processing. > > For my kind of live looping I like a delay with such speed shift noise > emulations because when I change the tempo, while playing, all such > delays scream and whine in a lovely way. > > Since you are using Ableton Live I must say that I like its Ping Pong > Delay as well! Especially since it has a filter that you can set to > sweep a bit by some LFO control routing. For dub feel tweaking one can > set Live's Return Track (that hosts the Ping Pong Delay) to Send into > itself. But be careful not to go into feedback hell. Better slap a > limiter or compressor into the loop. No fancy rubberband feel of tape > speed noise here, but thanks to the filter in the signal path you can > create "climbing shimmer" delays that add a new dimension to your > music (I often do the filter-climb trick with Tape Delay and Echoboy > too). > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 31 09:56:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F0D3183477; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 09:56:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=uB6W0UPDz86QfgkN1WPZZ+tV/2UoFqCcwT8QFLR1BNI=; b=LF1Wy2q28dELLaewQjiTGrhejibqPUeb5ZSPOvo80RPAnqgxoBCAMfiDZRlwMzON+7 bUkkRXKbN23sMSOZ25kO3rxu0Nl2XV+zFpSGY0xOhElRtPwz5RNYWQByW5S7CObj4up7 rVIMhpvnP8US1R9fzFFdbhU8t/sWuvMHnJpsIKWLoAl+kwQadIF/sGwBEr2LO1FPzKrI wM/0tWuIIODR0xbiJla7Viwq/DQbZGGOvk3TquOUOvIwSpzoVeCprsQd90IjkwKIlulL X8MGIEtp8O6AjW/hrzX0Qzk94Im51zN1lSfWWWlhQheDXOU++LvJND73hvCGb44mQmai 9Q6A== Subject: Re: Any young loopers? References: <20120730021917.8180.92442.levelstar.mail@everest> From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 11:56:17 +0200 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 09:56:28 +0000 (UTC) hehe...in my case, the first time I dropped in here, I also was below 25 (ba= ck in '97). Boy, that was a long time ago... Am 31.07.2012 um 03:27 schrieb michael noble : > How about a "once was young" looper? I was going over the archives and rea= lized I was 25 when I joined the list in 2001.=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 31 10:01:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBEA6183478; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:01:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=wHX06MDd556RclT3DiONFv0ad+wWktYTnvqN9Iw24O8=; b=gQvZNGSF48sIYAboCOG27IYedi2poRfLWXnJDRY6h1YGKtc78CYKxqzJwjV87dlPHE mEle8MaGwIjneGDe/v6WwPz8FG90RxILjYW1J9nVI7uqHHGI9N5MSJ8hr7JBXqaLHHSq aFhQko/tbBYEYT/7Uk8hDejNC/ud9LlYnoXeFuhuokahcOoD4MP0Og8ik8nnOpYtzrly Ijrfw7a509fMl8a6duZOxHuMjZgSQ94Ow1IOYosVjzN6kkXzl+O6SULhoM9f7HfoKl4R ci8/ydl2lUeQ+v+aLvDesshO6z7AS5w7y3TqStk/CM8vsv4MlM6WqNPtOF9CqZ4NO3Th fQDA== Subject: Re: Delay VST PlugIn Survey References: From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:01:28 +0200 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:01:37 +0000 (UTC) > What VST delay plug ins are you using and loving? > As nobody else has mentioned this: OhmBoyz Delay. Huge fun as delays go. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 31 10:57:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1824B18347A; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:57:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 11:57:12 +0100 From: Philip Conway To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Any young loopers? Message-ID: <16334B68A48D3F29A92DB296@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <20120730021917.8180.92442.levelstar.mail@everest> Originator-Info: login-token=Mulberry:01j3rXaP/dD5qNrR3R0ATePNbOqEbLvf+nStrQqT/QxQKoOMuI8Eg=; token_authority=mailto:postmaster@bristol.ac.uk X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:57:13 +0000 (UTC) I'm 27, I suppose that makes me young! I first browsed the archives 6 or 7 years ago and joined the list maybe 18 months ago. I've been loopy, so to speak, since I was about 20. --On 31 July 2012 11:56 +0200 Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > hehe...in my case, the first time I dropped in here, I also was below 25 > (back in '97). > > Boy, that was a long time ago... > > Am 31.07.2012 um 03:27 schrieb michael noble : > >> How about a "once was young" looper? I was going over the archives and >> realized I was 25 when I joined the list in 2001. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 31 11:33:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0402318347C; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 11:33:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=RuxYGxixly7bVD1Vwq8Z67r+sFBBlwmO7ND67Vorh5w=; b=KT356dU07gELQFZT0qMAe6jnydp1On3HSjn4O25MxbyqD+6P3RZZya5N/KRYc88cw+ Zd/IwuJmD7RVh/QPvLRZ4YZPxnhP8OgwEJ2rrEYvYmKSlIFkLWRq9YnrdWkyR3Nhx6Dv vaJOKxPEwXrigCk3JOc+qKw7MPSTlCRCXR1ZHjB5odaqquNHSX4rEn3BWZM8Tzh7j5bs +XARzXxfKc5hv8ecZug4oxHTntDvzYNAoc4KcjAaIpSHCh0bvXDQ25Q7XTRh3R9C0aD9 3VybvBgxrDoWPc/VE/P4lJwuSp75a9BuxzhTFWYTGGghxPk0C7T6fQrwkEMg9Shsf1be 50nw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: Torben Scharling Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 13:32:32 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Delay VST PlugIn Survey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 11:33:13 +0000 (UTC) Nice suggestions guys, I'm gonna check them out :) I've always liked the simple, but lovely sounding Mdsp @ Smartelectronix Analog Delay that I will use in combination with reverb effects and my looper: http://mdsp.smartelectronix.com/analog-delay/ Summer Greetings from torbenscharling.com On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > >> What VST delay plug ins are you using and loving? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 31 11:33:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DBE5183486; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 11:33:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=AyVGvR39uwuBH5ZQjXa31bEotW5zL8vrch47jwe/VEM=; b=nIwDCew0v74D6dYUkd4D6xaVe4VKUDAI+b9GiCDGh7Oxq/NG8PCsRCbx0lr0HuVbOd YfJuWzKy5k4unFxKJY2UkElUT2IJ/K2VK5CCmCaPW32Hd3bVPP3TC21wrg35fJ9jkFd0 Jn9UWCM9vudQUPxKWIZDT3PyOjFc9Xcyx8UjficsX62JNlA9DZiM+Zp3n/mnA784Seqr HZ6cKffYEHbNANFz+5dCvlm1OVC/IEQ9qEsZdMjS4tLQ6HsqRpwcFNGk28FVnuS6cafC YOeDCLZxqlmA8FbKWONOTvH4aFEn5oEzbmq/FiRWI2ReIQffhMFBDvP4bxjB6IsQAB1Y mBmw== Message-ID: <5017C28C.2000500@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 13:33:32 +0200 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Odd side question: anyone had braces while vocal beatboxing / looping? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4C5V3B.A.UkE.DK8FQB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 11:33:23 +0000 (UTC) Am 31.07.2012 01:25, schrieb Rob Jellinghaus: > First, my looper cred: I've been working on a Kinect-based > live-looping project named Holofunk > (http://robjsoftware.org/2011/09/21/holofunk-lives/). After demoing it > a fair bit this summer I've concluded that I Is there a single beatboxer who when doing a demo video does NOT start to do homophonic harmonies? 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Hi Simeon,=
Does the AXE fxII it have effects such the univibe = and auto volume as well?
also any of you M9 expert u= sers out there could the M9 be used as a midi foot controller for the AXe F= X?
 
http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom

From: Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=
Sent: Monday, July 3= 0, 2012 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: The l= ooper in AxeFx II

i'll answer that if you like. the = axe fx II is a completely different
design - it uses two tigersharc chip= s instead of one and one of them
is dedicated solely to the amp modellin= g. the fx are almost the same,
with a few notable exceptions - the rotar= y block in the II is much
better than in the ultra....the II has a tape = delay (with the ability
to alter tape speed)....and more drive types and= more amp types. the
amp modelling has been totally re-written for the I= I, uses much more
processing power and is therefore more realistic. you = can take an
impulse response of any guitar cabinet and also tone match a= ny guitar
tone and match any amp (like the kemper)
we're just about t= o get firmware 7 for the II, which will include
updates to the preamp mo= delling, more effects and more drive types.
the reverb block has also been totally rewritten (and sounds amazing)
if you're looking for = an effects processor and don't need the amp
modelling, then i would have= said the ultra would probably be the way
to go, but the gap is widening= with every firmware update

sim

On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 7:30 = PM, Laurie Amat <voicesound@att.net> wrote:
> Hi Per,
&= gt;
> Since you know so much about this all, can you tell me the diff= erence between the Axe FX II and the Axe FX Ultra?



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---1480336445-1305166375-1343738687=:68364-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 31 12:51:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB32118347F; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:51:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 719484.17920.bm@omp1066.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1343739073; bh=xgc42gQbjSM6gmzPMjvA5wSwVezoMSWXZD4JVTJoGKQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=yPD4yFMolMiwU6Get65yrX7H0nfECGJlelp1doUEmaFoNc4El8pD3yDzgnzYEVUe/XwIQo+6dsjmyOe7Q8D65mbh8q1B1SLuWHbqhWuUVSO0VdWr2JTiblxFK5X0cEaTU6VfwqkCKRIWhfXWbcnKozVc96qTMKqezkavOHbzkRc= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UH3XkQGm72+qoPvby5dpP8GSxKSn3WHThDyDg4HBc0aTGIf6uw3kV0QMkzMo/VVZ8h3q64S/EYl178ehpekwvUjOnxD5PoaeJO2I6FsRddFmcZ9/qfXHeeBzWDe2CAwwjT2oZRhmfr2Q4lYbcvMc6SHTqDdTB8QKO38iT8qn++c=; X-YMail-OSG: HLQf7r8VM1lIA5jn9GGu6cw0Fk.27PBsCOiIYKIy2PdW2km MjzROQFeBMKI6so4Prh1xj5Cwvts4hQMoeBbVuirbUrbMsstNBPqVBQnl4po EOXflnkMNxLedOLKucJ4fFul3oHCKQeZQk.rM6lDbTGGyrvg2vWOXkCtgi5u RLhR31Ljho6E3elUaUuM7.DkrYWwi7waRXDO1cRtQRtVRXM9NYwkcKcxAYYI two0ZZMNpr0JoowcRq6QXZY1NZuQG2sCmy.JW4HDuogPtXFugi1xnGsBIa5W q69Nh99c082vfz5MAb2Mom.vhoweojgzEKcvFCL9X_B8.hBygNzlTDNnmNb9 y2LOCttdImGvqcCRPmXjIrPw54AO48yGqoqMC.yuJuktjzkysUyv_2N7wEeA dAJsh87p9QWI9C2HRvcQVsycMkzUGjtLGhtQ4YQj7lHd1CE4UBD8XpQ4BXXN eansKnKOhpwbEFb.giq1XU3UfvtJPx8tAjpR_.VcB1QLOf9EtUcX7B.6Sg4t 4Gb.atK0L9mKCSyFS8G6oAgRIa8CMrIqUlBUeskahLEET8eZdUzvHJjW_mAL 4bf76MIueLFi33_v8Y5LJdo2XLdxzNu5BWMzLtOtT7O7Mq8QS5yC4sY0HI6y Oi2IXVMnXn1o7FO0VplVoXzO69VDOTQjrk_59GUGwqvtqXh.M X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: Message-ID: <1343739073.55173.YahooMailNeo@web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 05:51:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Reply-To: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: The looper in AxeFx II To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-795196629-97340254-1343739073=:55173" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:51:15 +0000 (UTC) ---795196629-97340254-1343739073=:55173 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wow yes impressive for a multieffector,you could actually get rid of your M= 9;-)=0A=0A=C2=A0=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A___________= _____________________=0A From: Ricky Graham =0A= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Monday, July 30, 2012 7:50= PM=0ASubject: Re: The looper in AxeFx II=0A =0ADub mix and threshold are a= nice touch!=0A=0ARicky=0A=0AOn Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Per Boysen <= perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:=0A> Hi,=0A>=0A> I just was surprised reading ab= out what a nice looper comes as part of=0A> the guitar amp Fractal Audio Sy= stems Axe Fx II. See for yourself in=0A> the manual quote below:=0A>=0A>=0A= > The Axe-Fx has a full-featured Looper which allows you to create=0A> mult= i-layered performances in real time. The=0A> maximum loop time varies from = 15 to 60 seconds, depending on your=0A> choices for mono/stereo/undo.=0A>= =0A> Looper functions can be operated from the Axe-Fx front panel, or=0A> r= emotely via MIDI. Looper CC# assignments appear on the CONTROL page=0A> of = the I/O menu=0A>=0A> Looper Basic Controls=0A> RECORD =E2=80=93 When you pr= ess RECORD, the Looper starts recording (if you=0A> hadn=E2=80=99t guessed = as much we have to wonder...) Here=E2=80=99s something that=E2=80=99s=0A> n= ot as obvious: press record again to stop recording and instantly=0A> start= =0A> playback. This prevents you needing to hunt around for more than one= =0A> footswitch to start a loop. If the record length reaches the maximum= =0A> allowed for the current mode, recording will end and playback will=0A>= stop automatically.=0A>=0A> PLAY =E2=80=93 This switch has two functions: = use it to stop recording and=0A> begin playback, or use it to instantly sto= p playback that is already=0A> rolling. A momentary switch can be assigned = to PLAY for stutter=0A> effects.=0A>=0A> ONCE =E2=80=93 Toggles =E2=80=9Cau= to-stop at loop-end,=E2=80=9D so that if playback is=0A> running, the loope= r will stop automatically when it reaches the end of=0A> the loop. If playb= ack is already stopped, ONCE will start playback,=0A> play through the loop= and then stop. You cannot go directly from=0A> RECORD to ONCE.=0A>=0A> STA= CK =E2=80=93 Overdubs audio on an existing loop. Pressing it again stops=0A= > the addition but playback continues. Existing audio is faded every=0A> ti= me through the loop based on the setting of the DUB MIX parameter on=0A> th= e Looper=E2=80=99s MIX page.=0A>=0A> UNDO =E2=80=93 This removes the most r= ecently recorded overdub. Undo removes a=0A> given =E2=80=9Ctake,=E2=80=9D = defined as everything between when you pressed STACK to=0A> start overdub r= ecording and when you turned it off.=0A>=0A> REV =E2=80=93 Pressing this re= verses the direction of the Looper. Playback and=0A> STACK recording are su= pported.=0A>=0A> HALF =E2=80=93 Slows the Looper=E2=80=99s speed to half. P= layback and normal or=0A> overdub recording are supported at half speed. Fo= r double speed=0A> playback, record in half speed and then switch back to n= ormal. Note:=0A> Halving the speed slightly reduces high-end frequency resp= onse.=0A> Each Axe-Fx II preset can use one Looper block. Looper Advanced C= ontrols=0A>=0A> MODE =E2=80=93 Selects the Looper mode, determining mono/st= ereo, looper=0A> length, and undo. Whenever you change the mode, the looper= memory will=0A> be entirely cleared.=0A>=0A> MONO =E2=80=93 Recording and = playback are in mono. Maximum loop length is 60=0A> seconds. Undo is not po= ssible.=0A>=0A> STEREO =E2=80=93 Recording and playback are in stereo. Maxi= mum loop length is=0A> 30 seconds. Undo is not possible. MONO UNDO =E2=80= =93 Recording and playback=0A> are in mono. Maximum loop length is 30 secon= ds. Undo works.=0A>=0A> STEREO UNDO =E2=80=93 Recording and playback are in= mono. Maximum loop length=0A> is 60 seconds. Undo works.=0A>=0A> QUANT =E2= =80=93 With quantize enabled, loop length is perfectly set to some=0A> whol= e number of beats) with reference to the pulses of the Axe-Fx=0A> GLOBAL TE= MPO (see p. 146)).=0A>=0A> THRSH =E2=80=93 The Axe-Fx Looper can start reco= rding automatically when the=0A> input exceeds a set level. Turn this featu= re ON or OFF using this=0A> parameter.=0A>=0A> THRSH LEVEL =E2=80=93 This s= ets the level which must be exceeded at the input=0A> of the Looper for rec= ording to start automatically.=0A>=0A> DUB MIX =E2=80=93 Actually located o= n the Looper=E2=80=99s MIX page, this determines=0A> how much layers are re= duced when you STACK new layers. If you never=0A> want old layers to decay,= set this to 100%, but be aware that adding=0A> additional layers in this w= ay can result in excessive signal and=0A> clipping.=0A>=0A> Looper Mix Para= meters=0A> The Looper has a MIX page with LEVEL, BALANCE, and BYPASS MODE p= arameters.=0A>=0A> Greetings from Sweden=0A>=0A> Per Boysen=0A> www.perboys= en.com=0A> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen=0A> ---795196629-97340254-1343739073=:55173 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
wow yes im= pressive for a multieffector,you could actually get rid of your M9;-)
 
http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom

From:<= /b> Ricky Graham <rickygrahammusic@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
= Sent: Monday, July 30, 201= 2 7:50 PM
Subject: Re:= The looper in AxeFx II

Dub mix and threshold are a = nice touch!

Ricky

On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Per Boysen &l= t;perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just = was surprised reading about what a nice looper comes as part of
> the= guitar amp Fractal Audio Systems Axe Fx II. See for yourself in
> th= e manual quote below:
>
>
> The Axe-Fx has a full-feature= d Looper which allows you to create
> multi-layered performances in r= eal time. The
> maximum loop time varies from 15 to 60 seconds, depen= ding on your
> choices for mono/stereo/undo.
>
> Looper f= unctions can be operated from the Axe-Fx front panel, or
> remotely v= ia MIDI. Looper CC# assignments appear on the CONTROL page
> of the I= /O menu
>
> Looper Basic Controls
> RECORD =E2=80=93 When= you press RECORD, the Looper starts recording (if you
> hadn=E2=80= =99t guessed as much we have to wonder...) Here=E2=80=99s something that=E2=80= =99s
> not as obvious: press record again to stop recording and insta= ntly
> start
> playback. This prevents you needing to hunt arou= nd for more than one
> footswitch to start a loop. If the record leng= th reaches the maximum
> allowed for the current mode, recording will= end and playback will
> stop automatically.
>
> PLAY =E2= =80=93 This switch has two functions: use it to stop recording and
> = begin playback, or use it to instantly stop playback that is already
>= ; rolling. A momentary switch can be assigned to PLAY for stutter
> e= ffects.
>
> ONCE =E2=80=93 Toggles =E2=80=9Cauto-stop at loop-e= nd,=E2=80=9D so that if playback is
> running, the looper will stop a= utomatically when it reaches the end of
> the loop. If playback is al= ready stopped, ONCE will start playback,
> play through the loop and = then stop. You cannot go directly from
> RECORD to ONCE.
>
> STACK =E2=80=93 Over= dubs audio on an existing loop. Pressing it again stops
> the additio= n but playback continues. Existing audio is faded every
> time throug= h the loop based on the setting of the DUB MIX parameter on
> the Loo= per=E2=80=99s MIX page.
>
> UNDO =E2=80=93 This removes the mos= t recently recorded overdub. Undo removes a
> given =E2=80=9Ctake,=E2= =80=9D defined as everything between when you pressed STACK to
> star= t overdub recording and when you turned it off.
>
> REV =E2=80= =93 Pressing this reverses the direction of the Looper. Playback and
>= ; STACK recording are supported.
>
> HALF =E2=80=93 Slows the L= ooper=E2=80=99s speed to half. Playback and normal or
> overdub recor= ding are supported at half speed. For double speed
> playback, record= in half speed and then switch back to normal. Note:
> Halving the sp= eed slightly reduces high-end frequency response.
> Each Axe-Fx II preset can use one Looper block. Looper A= dvanced Controls
>
> MODE =E2=80=93 Selects the Looper mode, de= termining mono/stereo, looper
> length, and undo. Whenever you change= the mode, the looper memory will
> be entirely cleared.
>
&= gt; MONO =E2=80=93 Recording and playback are in mono. Maximum loop length = is 60
> seconds. Undo is not possible.
>
> STEREO =E2=80= =93 Recording and playback are in stereo. Maximum loop length is
> 30= seconds. Undo is not possible. MONO UNDO =E2=80=93 Recording and playback<= br>> are in mono. Maximum loop length is 30 seconds. Undo works.
>=
> STEREO UNDO =E2=80=93 Recording and playback are in mono. Maximum = loop length
> is 60 seconds. Undo works.
>
> QUANT =E2=80= =93 With quantize enabled, loop length is perfectly set to some
> who= le number of beats) with reference to the pulses of the Axe-Fx
> GLOB= AL TEMPO (see p. 146)).
>
> THRSH =E2=80=93 The Axe-Fx Looper can start recordi= ng automatically when the
> input exceeds a set level. Turn this feat= ure ON or OFF using this
> parameter.
>
> THRSH LEVEL =E2= =80=93 This sets the level which must be exceeded at the input
> of t= he Looper for recording to start automatically.
>
> DUB MIX =E2= =80=93 Actually located on the Looper=E2=80=99s MIX page, this determines> how much layers are reduced when you STACK new layers. If you never<= br>> want old layers to decay, set this to 100%, but be aware that addin= g
> additional layers in this way can result in excessive signal and<= br>> clipping.
>
> Looper Mix Parameters
> The Looper = has a MIX page with LEVEL, BALANCE, and BYPASS MODE parameters.
>
= > Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen= .com
> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>


=
---795196629-97340254-1343739073=:55173-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 31 12:55:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4EE9C183489; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:55:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <8634F1E8B2B94169880D63E66BDE1A11@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Speaking of VSTs... Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 13:55:10 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:55:12 +0000 (UTC) I've got a few noisy tracks I'd like to clean up, and have not had much fun trying it through Reaper. I used Cool Edit's NR/detection for years until it wouldn't run any longer. Its NR was wonderful! Is there a VST out there that comes close? Thanks. Stephen Goodman http://www.ustream.tv/channel/audio-tarot-bone-throw From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 31 18:48:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0565418349B; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:48:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=+wIJUQiEXW42tW+kSnLUTWo4+pHgZy/iqgXuuavGMNg=; b=g+QeHJ1U6/OOcqePoVdEMkGHoGLO5SuJvj5E9naoPtO3s4CWRl93iVlkK5Od8J/b+5 znJvwVc6qsT6hHrBcrcur6Ev15vSC9C2Xwm2amhccuZvNlOTb68Z8lBMz2okzZmyprPF 1N8myq0w3uyD2dced8mh5QK4XbkS8TmVPj3pax5YL3bJa+Ey+iTQ0q7y3IbRgwZrOLhH Sgs6Wkb3+iHOHdeDVxSbVHqyJn78VG1sDfoRbCfDnEkxmGflFnB5YB79x9UvI3NtAI9M YtXjmxQnQVi7yOxlSBO/hbRValobaAO/b/72R4wat5J3ekFPHCgdZe2O/1+bEnsrC0Pu hUkQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 11:48:44 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Death to homophonic harmonies! From: Rob Jellinghaus To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b60525cbc7a8e04c624a064 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:48:45 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b60525cbc7a8e04c624a064 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:33 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill < moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote: > Is there a single beatboxer who when doing a demo video does NOT start to >> do homophonic harmonies? > > Yes. A friend of mine played with my looper and did all this awesome ambient stuff that would never have occurred to me. I know I have a lot of Bobby McFerrin in my skull and it keeps wanting to get out. But this is actually a very interesting question. How do you get out of a musical "rut"? I keep finding myself making relatively similar improvisations. On the one hand, I feel I should just do what comes naturally, since it's an expression of my musical instinct -- and I need practice at *everything* I do with looping-wise. But on the other hand, harmonies are very easily overdone and there is an infinity of other possibilities. What do you all do to crack yourselves out of making your old familiar type of music? Cheers, Rob (p.s. I don't really mean the subject line -- I will always love homophonic harmony madly -- but it should add some energy to the thread ;-) -- Check my blog --> http://robjsoftware.org --047d7b60525cbc7a8e04c624a064 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:33 AM, Rainer Theloniu= s Balthasar Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com> wro= te:
Is there a single beatboxer who when doing a demo video does NOT start to d= o homophonic harmonies?

Yes.=A0 A friend of mine pla= yed with my looper and did all this awesome ambient stuff that would never = have occurred to me.=A0 I know I have a lot of Bobby McFerrin in my skull a= nd it keeps wanting to get out.

But this is actually a very interesting question.=A0 How do you ge= t out of a musical "rut"?=A0 I keep finding myself making relativ= ely similar improvisations.=A0 On the one hand, I feel I should just do wha= t comes naturally, since it's an expression of my musical instinct -- a= nd I need practice at everything I do with looping-wise.=A0 But on= the other hand, harmonies are very easily overdone and there is an infinit= y of other possibilities.
=A0
What do you all do to crack yourselves out of making you= r old familiar type of music?
=A0
Cheers,
Rob=
=A0
(p.s. I don't really mean the subject line -- = I will always love homophonic harmony madly --=A0but it should add some ene= rgy to the thread ;-)

--
Check my blog --> http://= robjsoftware.org
--047d7b60525cbc7a8e04c624a064-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 31 18:52:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5422A1834A0; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:52:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1442839347==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120731185210.11253.82073.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 14:52:11 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: Death to homophonic harmonies! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:52:21 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============1442839347== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=20listen=20to=20Imogen=20Heap=20for=20inspiration. Tyler=20Z On=20Tue,=2031=20Jul=202012=2011:48:44=20-0700,=20Rob=20Jellinghaus=20wrote: >On=20Tue,=20Jul=2031,=202012=20at=204:33=20AM,=20Rainer=20Thelonius=20Balt= hasar=20Straschill=20 >=20wrote: >Is=20there=20a=20single=20beatboxer=20who=20when=20doing=20a=20demo=20vide= o=20does=20NOT=20start=20to=20do=20 >homophonic=20harmonies?=20=20 >Yes.=20A=20friend=20of=20mine=20played=20with=20my=20looper=20and=20did=20= all=20this=20awesome=20ambient=20 >stuff=20that=20would=20never=20have=20occurred=20to=20me.=20I=20know=20I= =20have=20a=20lot=20of=20Bobby=20 >McFerrin=20in=20my=20skull=20and=20it=20keeps=20wanting=20to=20get=20out. >But=20this=20is=20actually=20a=20very=20interesting=20question.=20How=20do= =20you=20get=20out=20of=20a=20 >musical=20"rut"?=20I=20keep=20finding=20myself=20making=20relatively=20sim= ilar=20improvisations.=20 >On=20the=20one=20hand,=20I=20feel=20I=20should=20just=20do=20what=20comes= =20naturally,=20since=20it's=20an=20 >expression=20of=20my=20musical=20instinct=20--=20and=20I=20need=20practice= =20at=20everything=20I=20do=20 >with=20looping-wise.=20But=20on=20the=20other=20hand,=20harmonies=20are=20= very=20easily=20overdone=20 >and=20there=20is=20an=20infinity=20of=20other=20possibilities. >What=20do=20you=20all=20do=20to=20crack=20yourselves=20out=20of=20making= =20your=20old=20familiar=20type=20of=20 >music? >Cheers, >Rob >(p.s.=20I=20don't=20really=20mean=20the=20subject=20line=20--=20I=20will= =20always=20love=20homophonic=20 >harmony=20madly=20--but=20it=20should=20add=20some=20energy=20to=20the=20t= hread=20;-) >--=20 >Check=20my=20blog=20-->=20http://robjsoftware.org --===============1442839347==--
I've heard (if I recall right) your stuff on the AXE FX = site, Simeon, and liked it a lot. Of course, I've also heard Bill's = stuff and like it a lot. 
And I don't really like a whole lot = these days. I enjoy a lot, but really like very little.  Old, = jaded, probably millions of hours of music have danced thru these old = ears.
Bill's point about the value decline of digital stuff = drives me crazy.  That's why I'm more inclined to buy amps and fine = guitars.  I've spent many many tens of thousands of bucks on = digital stuff - big Pro Tools rigs and the plugins etc.  It's = incredibly depressing to spend $25K on something that's worth MAYBE 8K = five to eight years later.  It pays for itself always, but just = bugs me.  The digital world is a capitalist's wet = dream. 

Sound should always come first, so = I take these losses to keep the work and creative juices flowing. =  But when it comes to guitars and amps, the old school in me tends = to dominate, given ALL the considerations.
If I start touring = a lot more, I will most definitely get an AXE FX.  It's a no = brainer.

As far as colors and choices - great = art can be done with pencil and paper (Tele and Vibrolux) or the entire = rainbow of colors and technique (monster pedal boards, tweaked synth = guitars).  It's all in the imagination.  Imagination comes = first, middle and last when it comes to art.  The rest is just the = lifeless wooden board, brushes and gooey oils we use to translate our = imaginations into the ears and eyes of the = appreciative.

We are artists!  It's semi = pointless to debate our mediums.  But I do enjoy the = debates.

richard sales
<= font class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#908E38">www.richardsales.com
= www.goodnaturefarms.com=











On Jul 20, 2012, at 4:34 AM, Simeon Harris wrote:

ppps = bill, I'd be happy to offer any help and advice I can. I can send you = some patches, or talk you through dual amp layouts etc. Just send me a = pm. =

Sim


I saw Morton Subotnik in a = tiny lecture hall at the University of Maryland in 1968 I think it was. =  Fabulous!  Maybe forty folks there.
Then saw = Tangerine Dream in (I'm guessing) around 1975.  Was encouraged to = go by the folks in Happy The Man - still one of my most fave progressive = bands.  
If I remember correctly, TG had these HUGE racks = of computers.  Like towers maybe 8 or 9 feet tall.  They could = have been props. 
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It's encouraging to = hear, Matt, that Morton Subotnick is still being creative.  Very = cool. I'll have to check it out.  

richard sales
<= font class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#908E38">www.richardsales.com
= www.goodnaturefarms.com=











On Jul 10, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Matt Davignon = wrote:

I was just thinking this morning about how Morton = Subotnick (of
"Silver Apples of the Moon" fame, an early synthesizer = record) still
manages to compose music that is fascinating without = remaining stuck
in an era. Yet some other composers (Aphex Twin, = Klaus Schulze, etc)
became less interesting after a certain number of = years. With the
latter, the pattern I notice is that in later years = they tried to
adjust their music to match what's popular at the = moment, which of
course puts them in a field with a lot of = competition.

I'm not too knowledgeable about Tangerine Dream's = later music, but my
impression from hearing a few samples is that = they tailored some of
their music to a general audience (seeking = soundtrack & commercial
work) instead of a specialized audience = (with the space music). At the
same time, they updated their = technology from large bulky synths with
a lot of personality to more = modern midi instrumentation (which in the
80s and 90s sounded rather = sterile).

On a related note, my radio show/podcast last week was = a Space theme
again: http://ribosomematt.podomatic.= com/

--
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.r= ibosomemusic.com
Podcast! = http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com


On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at = 6:53 AM, Christophe <cburke55@comcast.net> wrote:
Hi Matt,

I'm a huge fan = of the band throughout their career, but of course with = a
career 40+ years long there = are periods I love (the 70's
Froese-Franke-Baumann era)  and some not so much (the = Melrose period).
Unfortunately, = the 70's era with those wonderful Moog sequences was = not
represented very much. =  The sound and material was in line with what = they've
been doing in recent = years, and if you listen to any of the live = recordings
they've done over = the past few (Zeitgeist, London Eye, etc.) you've = pretty
much got the picture. =  Two 90 minute sets, mostly medleys, with = parts
representative of = different phases of the bands material = scattered
throughout. =  One unexpected treat was a version of the Doors, "The = Crystal
Ship", with a vocal by = Thorsten Queschning.  Bernard Biebl on guitar = was
good but  maybe a bit = too restrained.  Iris Camaa on percussion = was
definitely the most = animated of the group and she added a lot of energy = to
the = performance.

But alas, no = long space odysseys. :-(

TD is a mature = band (extremely!) so you really don't see a lot of = evolution
in the sound in = recent years, but that said they put on a totally = satisfying
show. =  Definitely gave you your moneys worth for $46 for a front row = seat!

Chris

________________________________
From: "Matt Davignon" = <mattdavignon@gmail.com>
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 6:22:40 = PM

Subject: Re: OT: Tangerine = Dream

So, what did = you think? I'd love to hear Tangerine Dream do stuff = like
they did in the 70s and = early 80s. Not so excited about the idea of
them playing their late 80s, 90s and 00s stuff. They are = playing in
Napa, California = this friday. Tickets are $40. If it was in town, = I'd
certainly go to see them. = However, wine country gigs are often for
bands that are way past their = heyday.

You'd think = with all the hip bands that sound like Tangerine Dream = now
(such as Oneohtrix Point = Never), that they could do well in a San
Francisco or Oakland venue....

Matt