From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 1 08:47:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 874F0183474; Tue, 1 May 2012 08:47:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=Piuc5KSnKXwfNCWmrGrq3ZEZufWCPApora1foDWYVE0=; b=f7ZxDhXvA4gJfAv1qdy065lMseF3kBPMuBLyPSneZXvCVfhiOJLRTDAigeFh1Uh4vU bd7QsqKd+ItuZEK+P8XdpcpBQFA7lbOGxsts7uisyJZ+Ot+zP0mnHVX4me3GrXrkJRg5 ob944Ugvi5HXqdSlVGcyA4jlwTojk1JeZfvPoA6sIliclgvQkwYbFE6z4FPFBeB9qzL7 /oQ1QSgxcWRZFssDSpwSZakodpp+uCNzHXuIM69FnjCdqeFD9sxLUEDp8Ph3paM4jqDP PPaKn3nQTZ+amKKVANNvee0Qix5M2LCGCwgq4zOuVHYZH9vW5dr14T1EjpyEfWCvVNM5 gm7Q== From: Philip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Trippy little synth Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 17:47:13 +0900 Message-Id: To: loopers delight delight Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 08:47:18 +0000 (UTC) Has anyone tried the Teenage Engineering OP-1? It looks like a toy, but = it looks like a lot of fun. I just ran across this compilation album that only uses the OP-1 http://noorden.bandcamp.com/= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 1 10:16:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DBA0183474; Tue, 1 May 2012 10:16:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=mQivzlh7/ieX6ejy12o9wTjAy/gXNVdYrwvqi0avxM0=; b=jxdoFz1I9ebW4MTpLTs1pdwp6umbDXAgecTNo9q0iSGcJqvLDeFDryH3LkLgkp5xag XIGl3Y+qbyy76TrggTOuOTgNGTt5SL0XGI49Tu1CNue14lfidHfDBvJOZNc6Bc/z2raO e+u+uEFE3rpip0wBuD+M1uaEbB+1PFi3R99mmrXbgQZdMYeGCSwQverPA/bCeUeGCG9f /KQS9J9P/jOAs10O/bE7I4Qpr2p+arqFtP2ZRD4DkfJ1h0HVv4ZuEnojbtiMJCfjE+HK HfaTTNfvqktfv537UMfTIS0AR+yIWWGKsk/8ocR3axZjowTzKb36Mfy1ka0oPY+wrZ1V 932w== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 03:16:52 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Trippy little synth From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d99d1b9e306904bef6deb2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 10:16:54 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d99d1b9e306904bef6deb2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Wow that sounds intense!!! I didn't know this thing sounded that full. I'd love to have one but I don't have $1000 for something the size of a nanopad. However if I did i think I would buy one. I heard it doesn't have midi capability though :0 On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 1:47 AM, Philip wrote: > Has anyone tried the Teenage Engineering OP-1? It looks like a toy, but it > looks like a lot of fun. > > I just ran across this compilation album that only uses the OP-1 > > http://noorden.bandcamp.com/ > --0016e6d99d1b9e306904bef6deb2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow that sounds intense!!! I didn't know this thing sounded that full. = I'd love to have one but I don't have $1000 for something the size = of a nanopad. However if I did i think I would buy one. I heard it doesn= 9;t have midi capability though :0

On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 1:47 AM, Philip <= philip.ojc@gmail.com> wrote:
http://noorden.b= andcamp.com/

--0016e6d99d1b9e306904bef6deb2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 1 14:42:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22327183477; Tue, 1 May 2012 14:42:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=rvNqJbVGdbt4egs52VbhtoJZG7AoPDG9H2iogr/sNfs= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:17 a=ht1LlIfrAAAA:8 a=50Cz1CyOAAAA:8 a=BqiO5jCHll6CUVsVciIA:9 a=KMtTlNv7x_K1YEeIws8A:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Trippy little synth From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 07:42:20 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0365B691-AC53-47B5-9AE8-DDECC2105F1D@charter.net> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 14:42:31 +0000 (UTC) Phil, I personally have not tried it. But (don't laugh), a friend of a friend has one and is in allegedly love = with it. This fellow is a multi-instrumentalist and owns more gear than you can = imagine. This thing has entirely captured his imagination and he is using little = else lately (apparently). Supposedly, all the little quirks built into it make it a pretty deep = device, and quite capable. That's all I know - other than visiting the website = =20 It does sound intriguing. Ted On May 1, 2012, at 1:47 AM, Philip wrote: > Has anyone tried the Teenage Engineering OP-1? It looks like a toy, = but it looks like a lot of fun. >=20 > I just ran across this compilation album that only uses the OP-1 >=20 > http://noorden.bandcamp.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 1 14:54:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52771183475; Tue, 1 May 2012 14:54:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=oB6rf48osbqrAt133V+VgDBnA8rmeQipsUp0cOngH+k=; b=kN4X8oYV1/jfylrLNMeRLtTAFZW8fFl3/VkOuEt4Z2Ut/PuD+Pl7xtjkIaXaN3IwaI nyXV/cL9nK1MuW6J70tbHxka51Uiminic2FOVLJPTmxFxB761VEykAYnkUYJxUDmqyop J/o1/AV4RJAgVkbzP/PFEpb8HygpdLNes/oDqdO6SWEgmInp4xj66E/tvLsSh/IXAi7V 9gKxxN3pZR4i7mkTC+I22UIYUIWvSuFlU80X+V8HrxM9wqAc1k3RPY2WXU5H+TnPV/BF /TcHRCsPY3O++A5zSNND5Yqmp4fSMVv/QBgqZE47gYz/e2hC+EwpgdCmOKONXs8YePJc T1nw== Subject: Re: Trippy little synth References: <0365B691-AC53-47B5-9AE8-DDECC2105F1D@charter.net> From: Philip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: <0365B691-AC53-47B5-9AE8-DDECC2105F1D@charter.net> Message-Id: <7651ABED-6D5A-41DE-BEE2-8605777F0CD0@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 23:54:16 +0900 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 14:54:23 +0000 (UTC) I'm not laughing at all. That is most certainly my next gear purchase. Sent from my phone On May 1, 2012, at 11:42 PM, Ted Killian wrote: > Phil, >=20 > I personally have not tried it. >=20 > But (don't laugh), a friend of a friend has one and is in allegedly love w= ith it. >=20 > This fellow is a multi-instrumentalist and owns more gear than you can ima= gine. >=20 > This thing has entirely captured his imagination and he is using little el= se lately (apparently). >=20 > Supposedly, all the little quirks built into it make it a pretty deep devi= ce, and quite capable. >=20 > That's all I know - other than visiting the website =20 >=20 > It does sound intriguing. >=20 > Ted >=20 > On May 1, 2012, at 1:47 AM, Philip wrote: >=20 >> Has anyone tried the Teenage Engineering OP-1? It looks like a toy, but i= t looks like a lot of fun. >>=20 >> I just ran across this compilation album that only uses the OP-1 >>=20 >> http://noorden.bandcamp.com/ >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 1 15:07:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67DB9183478; Tue, 1 May 2012 15:07:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=psWcb5N98119OaOi9bjyg15qVElTHlpKZyP+LUQnThs= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:17 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=ht1LlIfrAAAA:8 a=50Cz1CyOAAAA:8 a=vP7GUsR-LGr75gGPDIoA:9 a=gxU-LMrspc096OSUKjEA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Trippy little synth From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: <7651ABED-6D5A-41DE-BEE2-8605777F0CD0@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 08:07:07 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <001BA41A-2783-448E-A2D5-70DCE6D9A195@charter.net> References: <0365B691-AC53-47B5-9AE8-DDECC2105F1D@charter.net> <7651ABED-6D5A-41DE-BEE2-8605777F0CD0@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 15:07:09 +0000 (UTC) I am going to see this same "friend of a friend" perform locally on = Saturday evening. Who knows, he may bring it along. I will definitely ask him about it and check it out. It does sound fascinating. On May 1, 2012, at 7:54 AM, Philip wrote: > I'm not laughing at all. That is most certainly my next gear purchase. >=20 > Sent from my phone >=20 > On May 1, 2012, at 11:42 PM, Ted Killian = wrote: >=20 >> Phil, >>=20 >> I personally have not tried it. >>=20 >> But (don't laugh), a friend of a friend has one and is in allegedly = love with it. >>=20 >> This fellow is a multi-instrumentalist and owns more gear than you = can imagine. >>=20 >> This thing has entirely captured his imagination and he is using = little else lately (apparently). >>=20 >> Supposedly, all the little quirks built into it make it a pretty deep = device, and quite capable. >>=20 >> That's all I know - other than visiting the website = =20 >>=20 >> It does sound intriguing. >>=20 >> Ted >>=20 >> On May 1, 2012, at 1:47 AM, Philip wrote: >>=20 >>> Has anyone tried the Teenage Engineering OP-1? It looks like a toy, = but it looks like a lot of fun. >>>=20 >>> I just ran across this compilation album that only uses the OP-1 >>>=20 >>> http://noorden.bandcamp.com/ >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 1 15:13:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFE07183477; Tue, 1 May 2012 15:13:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=mdPaY14GCkBnN8J7ybv/emCbwhyQYAP/RLq512vX18g=; b=AjQC2VnL8wrcOLC4WB1NFoTdHsBanl9fcpHnjRwRDti2bFUrECKwHguulW5AzSE9mV lsIdd1H8xaPFqwDvh8Zcm1CF3buHBWXxoqwBtAXJhBjfrTxbXaVEjrFv2m7+PapxbFMI s4Agbv8s7hApGCSbhEgpjpOwbS8fgG4BPArNOxH02H3USQNvuI2unqgRZVot6IU7so/N JSFWisFIVY90ZbGplan8NgBQtQaFnhH2daQu6jZLjLWgKs8U+bACFvWWaltj79G9kV+E o0cMyoaxZPS1Um4xCu4KHpayD+s0ToEqkDi4m84BhjfcEfi0jFJOe4fVs+7EEUsXoizZ IXoA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <001BA41A-2783-448E-A2D5-70DCE6D9A195@charter.net> References: <0365B691-AC53-47B5-9AE8-DDECC2105F1D@charter.net> <7651ABED-6D5A-41DE-BEE2-8605777F0CD0@gmail.com> <001BA41A-2783-448E-A2D5-70DCE6D9A195@charter.net> From: todd reynolds Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 11:12:54 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Trippy little synth To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04426e92aa859904befb0324 Resent-Message-ID: <-TWAgD.A.t2H.f2_nPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 15:13:35 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04426e92aa859904befb0324 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable and can you get from him where to buy it, Ted? Looks like only one or two options on line for full List... t. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Ted Killian wrote= : > I am going to see this same "friend of a friend" perform locally on > Saturday evening. > > Who knows, he may bring it along. > > I will definitely ask him about it and check it out. > > It does sound fascinating. > > On May 1, 2012, at 7:54 AM, Philip wrote: > > > I'm not laughing at all. That is most certainly my next gear purchase. > > > > Sent from my phone > > > > On May 1, 2012, at 11:42 PM, Ted Killian wrote= : > > > >> Phil, > >> > >> I personally have not tried it. > >> > >> But (don't laugh), a friend of a friend has one and is in allegedly > love with it. > >> > >> This fellow is a multi-instrumentalist and owns more gear than you can > imagine. > >> > >> This thing has entirely captured his imagination and he is using littl= e > else lately (apparently). > >> > >> Supposedly, all the little quirks built into it make it a pretty deep > device, and quite capable. > >> > >> That's all I know - other than visiting the website < > http://www.teenageengineering.com/products/op-1> > >> > >> It does sound intriguing. > >> > >> Ted > >> > >> On May 1, 2012, at 1:47 AM, Philip wrote: > >> > >>> Has anyone tried the Teenage Engineering OP-1? It looks like a toy, > but it looks like a lot of fun. > >>> > >>> I just ran across this compilation album that only uses the OP-1 > >>> > >>> http://noorden.bandcamp.com/ > >> > > > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =95 *The Best Classical Music of the Year, 2011* - Amazon.com =95 Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now available wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D http://toddreynolds.com http://twitter.com/digifiddler http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic http://blog.toddreynolds.com http://facebook.com/toddreynolds http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds need me right away? Call or text me at 917.576.6166 --f46d04426e92aa859904befb0324 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable and can you get from him where to buy it, Ted? =A0Looks like only one or tw= o options on line for full List...=A0

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On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 11:07 A= M, Ted Killian <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:
I am going to see this same "friend of = a friend" perform locally on Saturday evening.

Who knows, he may bring it along.

I will definitely ask him about it and check it out.

It does sound fascinating.

On May 1, 2012, at 7:54 AM, Philip wrote:

> I'm not laughing at all. That is most certainly my next gear purch= ase.
>
> Sent from my phone
>
> On May 1, 2012, at 11:42 PM, Ted Killian <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:
>
>> Phil,
>>
>> I personally have not tried it.
>>
>> But (don't laugh), a friend of a friend has one and is in alle= gedly love with it.
>>
>> This fellow is a multi-instrumentalist and owns more gear than you= can imagine.
>>
>> This thing has entirely captured his imagination and he is using l= ittle else lately (apparently).
>>
>> Supposedly, all the little quirks built into it make it a pretty d= eep device, and quite capable.
>>
>> That's all I know - other than visiting the website <htt= p://www.teenageengineering.com/products/op-1>
>>
>> It does sound intriguing.
>>
>> Ted
>>
>> On May 1, 2012, at 1:47 AM, Philip wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone tried the Teenage Engineering OP-1? It looks like a= toy, but it looks like a lot of fun.
>>>
>>> I just ran across this compilation album that only uses the OP= -1
>>>
>>> htt= p://noorden.bandcamp.com/
>>
>




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=95 The Best Classical Music of=A0the= Year, 2011 - Amazon.com

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--f46d04426e92aa859904befb0324-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 1 17:06:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 488AD183473; Tue, 1 May 2012 17:06:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=h8YUGG+XxlpQD1g9WgqgeFOefN9AaZAVIY+jqpoFBbY=; b=0UuS0Y9DAONR6AjGH8/w7LFlbr8zNJjmtl9L4MM1V1itXY5TjTXCkBCc3Ysu+P2JEY O/OTwgqKD6ghbuji52/LquC4h9huawvKL1LaO62O/SDe/H9+uZhZPp/spSyA22wOF9K9 HonPBcXM9soSzU184O2lBc8Dnvuva7+DRQhtnMq+52BXs6aHDnLzCcEox4LgWNgDVhTX fSMBqKJF5rPBAbWf1z9WKU0n1yKweOMn+T7NGkQ3ATD7y1kBCdATtviTeOlDvFZgBKz3 vfJN157TUfIkDuchAKERCxt+quPKOY+xtmXHyhgToEkpgD8Cb3VMbGfqWH46M04wz6yh tlDw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <0365B691-AC53-47B5-9AE8-DDECC2105F1D@charter.net> <7651ABED-6D5A-41DE-BEE2-8605777F0CD0@gmail.com> <001BA41A-2783-448E-A2D5-70DCE6D9A195@charter.net> Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 10:06:12 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Trippy little synth From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 17:06:13 +0000 (UTC) I saw Alessandro Cortini play one (as his only instrument) last year in an improvised music setting. It does seem like a really deep machine. According to the image on their website, it's also a great instrument to place on reclining women: http://www.teenageengineering.com/products/op-1 I'm still telling myself that I need to use the synths and samplers that I have before I go spending $900 on a new one. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 1 17:40:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAF9B183475; Tue, 1 May 2012 17:40:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 17:40:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Christophe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <1287804403.2436929.1335894001525.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Trippy little synth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2436928_1243582534.1335894001500" X-Originating-IP: [170.63.96.108] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 17:40:02 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_2436928_1243582534.1335894001500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It sure is pretty and sounds like it can do some cool tricks, but I don't know. No MIDI? That seems like a deal breaker for the price. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 1:06:12 PM Subject: Re: Trippy little synth I saw Alessandro Cortini play one (as his only instrument) last year in an improvised music setting. It does seem like a really deep machine. According to the image on their website, it's also a great instrument to place on reclining women: http://www.teenageengineering.com/products/op-1 I'm still telling myself that I need to use the synths and samplers that I have before I go spending $900 on a new one. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com ------=_Part_2436928_1243582534.1335894001500 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= div style=3D'font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>It sure i= s pretty and sounds like it can do some cool tricks, but I don't know. = ; No MIDI?  That seems like a deal breaker for the price.

From: "Matt Davignon" <mattdavignon@gmail.com>
= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Tuesday, May= 1, 2012 1:06:12 PM
Subject: Re: Trippy little synth

I saw= Alessandro Cortini play one (as his only instrument) last year
in an im= provised music setting. It does seem like a really deep
machine.

= According to the image on their website, it's also a great instrument
to= place on reclining women:
http://www.teenageengineering.com/products/op= -1

I'm still telling myself that I need to use the synths and sample= rs
that I have before I go spending $900 on a new one.


--
= Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusic.com
Podcast= ! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com

------=_Part_2436928_1243582534.1335894001500-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 1 17:43:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CE7F183463; Tue, 1 May 2012 17:43:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=UvszcMy6b5gwJ8mw0l/gksf4fcO5sJLoHtdh9IALEkA=; b=jrAGk9a6VBTBQpxDRGtecmtIsG0o647mkBnjoYL3b9bAIaGPQrsOh23zs0Jkj+wnW/ tDFZXoiR/P87DP/3sMaSkEmwneFCJIiI1D0RRmFLLZW3BymDCQtKPMW1U3yxXgM5GL0v mghmeF+ynex1JkXzFltj50XVfkLv5YE48ggYl3UzPouxvQZdcbv1ooJbmDsQk8BpTh3K Gxcmq6TSU+FEM5vj/rAE3P/XKd9HSd87AUoXM8N/Y9LKuQucKyCBgs5FRQ/I7bToSqJP XDEWsobVsHF4mk9GNCsjEF8PknrtXsQnGYqbmyF0ul8W6dqcM0WY0RvlR6l+DdIW6Q5A RbJQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 13:43:39 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Kishi Bashi From: daryl shawn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151761c8f4708db504befd1c2a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 17:43:41 +0000 (UTC) --00151761c8f4708db504befd1c2a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I may have earned a lurker badge here...still, the loop goes on.! I don't think this artist has been mentioned, Kishi Bashi, some quite well-done looping in the pop idiom. Kinda Jeff Buckley meets Imogen Heap, perhaps. http://www.npr.org/event/music/151684623/kishi-bashi-in-concert Daryl Shawn www.darylshawn.com --00151761c8f4708db504befd1c2a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I may have earned a lurker badge here...still, the loop goes on.!

<= /div>
I don't think this artist has been mentioned, Kishi Bashi, so= me quite well-done looping in the pop idiom. Kinda Jeff Buckley meets Imoge= n Heap, perhaps.

--00151761c8f4708db504befd1c2a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 1 18:07:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44F2618347A; Tue, 1 May 2012 18:07:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=SqnKpC9guIyqANI9b0Seg25y2dCw4aMKy6qcyIYqB0U=; b=Ze+WhNV+Kco4wFhYzUPJGNyI+aI7O49GB556Cg2pchKSHcnCwIroH/Lnx3ktCayE1B 2pLMRBxv9WWzMmCRMnCqCo7K89t+ibg0OkjzTNFGo+omptgy+FesrAqwN2071XtCVJyf oaxIWoUuDXpOzEX0HZQELd1WImQ8AVE55Kvenldo4Htgg6cM5ReQLySp8GJXb/axmzH2 x9Vv99uEa7pCXL+E3fybQRCh8s4MuJrEKVKSn74vS9nOli6qk5ZSx7XwSt8k/NgAQIVF LlmMSNogkZ4c5c5r5FsyG878z3icN+6sB+w1TATqOGR8oovYt/e/AWt69OMf6SG3TZoW 4QyQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <0365B691-AC53-47B5-9AE8-DDECC2105F1D@charter.net> <7651ABED-6D5A-41DE-BEE2-8605777F0CD0@gmail.com> <001BA41A-2783-448E-A2D5-70DCE6D9A195@charter.net> Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 11:07:31 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Trippy little synth From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 18:07:32 +0000 (UTC) They also make this thing, but I'm not quite sure what to make of it. http://www.teenageengineering.com/products/oplab -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Matt Davignon wrote: > I saw Alessandro Cortini play one (as his only instrument) last year > in an improvised music setting. It does seem like a really deep > machine. > > According to the image on their website, it's also a great instrument > to place on reclining women: > http://www.teenageengineering.com/products/op-1 > > I'm still telling myself that I need to use the synths and samplers > that I have before I go spending $900 on a new one. > > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 1 19:06:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56861183475; Tue, 1 May 2012 19:06:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 19:06:12 +0000 (UTC) From: Christophe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <705366856.2442969.1335899172148.JavaMail.root@sz0034a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Trippy little synth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2442968_1604872968.1335899172147" X-Originating-IP: [170.63.96.108] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 19:06:12 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_2442968_1604872968.1335899172147 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Interesting! I like the MIDI-USB-CV connectivity.part. I have a Sonuus GM2 guitar to MIDI converter, and I've been looking at MIDI to CV converters with the idea of using the output from the GM2 to control parameters on some Moogerfoogers. Mostly I've been looking at the Doepfer MCV4, but this might warrant some more research. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 2:07:31 PM Subject: Re: Trippy little synth They also make this thing, but I'm not quite sure what to make of it. http://www.teenageengineering.com/products/oplab > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com ------=_Part_2442968_1604872968.1335899172147 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= div style=3D'font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>Interesti= ng!  I like the MIDI-USB-CV connectivity.part.  I have a Sonuus G= M2 guitar to MIDI converter, and I've been looking at MIDI to CV converters= with the idea of using the output from the GM2  to control parameters= on some Moogerfoogers.  Mostly I've been looking at the Doepfer MCV4,= but this might warrant some more research.

From= : "Matt Davignon" <mattdavignon@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-= Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 2:07:31 PM=
Subject: Re: Trippy little synth

They also make this thin= g, but I'm not quite sure what to make of it.

http://www.teenageengi= neering.com/products/oplab

> Matt Davignon
> mattdavignon@g= mail.com
> www.ribosomemusic.com
> Podcast! http://ribosomematt= .podomatic.com

------=_Part_2442968_1604872968.1335899172147-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 2 03:17:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71B23183474; Wed, 2 May 2012 03:17:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=DCoFFY+oJTTSLHdsExv80cn0sErREmv5X3Ho74ZM+QI=; b=Dmgwianc8/nwWynsNSDERPZLjzLEZ2k4NsWBDj+7z7VsfifdJl/53lY/wS0vCm6XvX JVRr8IZ1QSZ7PFA6nnM+Lp7Se2VVoPOvKH+otrc/LPY4AEs8uF/ZsAAPBtJQAYOe3Rrs 16zQaAMepx7Fq5FbJKj4yk8/Z6d8SDvpiPY3sGEBosS1Jg5Zoq704Z4HbLCIHXj9krbP 0CW88q1JlYxty1DTIlvKb85h0zVlA8jxxNiTiMSPF5rXcgHbKJYVHyufK8mg+OxE99fc VOLaGnRElOP//Fqenkt3i4G0sgJ/FQjS37Fb+JsWurDocqKKKgy83COaqqcgyKjsSF+v jKMA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> <59C4667F-84E9-420B-A29A-7F69B493311B@gmail.com> <99F4E7D2-5967-4B29-8CD6-BCC9FCBAF9FF@gmail.com> From: Jean-Paul De Roover Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 23:17:14 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 03:17:36 +0000 (UTC) What a good read! Does everybody get along just fine when it comes to events like the live looping festival in Santa Cruz? Hope so! Otherwise I'll have to start putting out fires when I meet you all this October! On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 9:59 AM, mark francombe wrote: > On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Todd Reynolds wrote: >> >> With the drinking game I've been playing w this particular thread. I'm way >> past that. >> > > Please post the rules of your drinking game, Ive got a bet going that this > thread can't make it to 100 posts! > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > -- Jean-Paul De Roover www.jeanpaulderoover.com (807) 251-3376 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 2 06:45:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC253183477; Wed, 2 May 2012 06:45:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Trippy little synth From: tyler newman In-Reply-To: <20120502031737.387E8183486@arsenic.violacea.com> Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 23:45:38 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7949967E-8CD9-456F-9230-68E123DF1CAC@batterycage.com> References: <20120502031737.387E8183486@arsenic.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 06:45:43 +0000 (UTC) hi- > Has anyone tried the Teenage Engineering OP-1? It looks like a toy, = but it looks like a lot of fun. >=20 hey guys, just wanted to chime in here, since this thread got a lot of = responses. i actually do own this synth, so wanted to clear up a few = things. first, it absolutely does have midi. however, it doesn't use midi ports. = you have to control it over usb. but, it responds just like any normal = synth once it's connected via usb.=20 if you're thinking about buying one, i suggest ebay. as far as i know, = there's no US distributor, and they're quite pricey to import. i paid = about 800$ for mine on ebay, but it was used. the sounds are really extremely unusual. i've owned many synths over the = years, and this is definitely one of the most unique sounding. it sounds = extremely digital, even 'glitchy' would be a good word to use. there are = several different synth 'engines' that all sound very different from one = another, but none of them could be called "analog" or "virtual analog". = i recommend checking out some of the youtube videos, though to be = honest, none of them really do the instrument justice. from a livelooping perspective, i haven't approached the instrument to = try and do this, though people say it can be done. for me i'm using it = mostly as a sound module and step sequencer. but the sampling capability = is pretty intense...especially for drum sequencing.=20 the place where i run into a lot of problems is the "tape machine". i = guess i have just gotten too accustomed to working in a mouse driven DAW = environment...i have a very tough time wrapping my brain around the = primitive editing and tracking components. though, there are a lot of = people who are making really cool music solely using this device, i know = this is just a personal limitation. there is a really great forum located here: http://www.ohpeewon.com people exchange a lot of patches, ideas, techniques, etc.=20 the form factor is really awesome. it wouldn't be difficult for me to = take this and a laptop and nothing else, and create some serious music. = it's really really small. there is a hard case available for it, which i = use for travelling. the battery life outlasts my laptop, that's for sure = (i think about 16 hours). the only downside that i've run into, is that like a lot of boutique = instruments, this has some issues occasionally with the OS getting = messed up and requiring a factory reset from time to time. but, they've = updated the OS twice since i've owned the device, so i'm hoping that = they'll fix some bugs i've uncovered, very soon. i'm happy to try and answer any questions that you might have, if you're = really thinking about getting into it (though i really recommend the = forum, since you can see and hear a lot of video and audio examples = there). ps, the oplab seems pretty cool, but it strikes me as geared more = towards the nerdy arduino crowd. if you're really into building your own = controllers and such, then sure. personally i like making music more = than building tools, but to each their own. -tyler =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D www.solidgreysky.com= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 2 10:59:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15801183475; Wed, 2 May 2012 10:59:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1335956378; bh=YfRh6VtYX/EB0f74onSBDWGKI8oQ1NjWlHT2BXZ3Z8U=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer; b=sWIlLg+q2zxlRPbgFfGD9Pfm/i174HycEGj/oOLC1n4R2IRJJVQI5dM7VmIVWHcVhNlE2OhJl+Wsd8XPWDpRbrOnLShC6LIR5Bonyx8iIS3HT8ESvHkjcKqpyX/8mM2d1P9fDXVKydh5hlKZM3R4nBNgqe0GqMC+NWJ8HZ878QU= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 744858.69381.bm@smtp112.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 9dtqjrAVM1m93E82deUe7FE1Hdv2_f8DdWAeS3yoZ7_.Chz aMvXuZwQJeFGBJvwBWEsFjkfdpTe583EdyAyLNyUe6Df.P5Qbl8yZglnV0gj AXSjqLREOdQDbXPNXZKEFFf_50Z8zX48CXOOjAIZ_2OVSbnobX7e3RJQO49R osQXcNkqKbA2AfAXV220UNmIyKqnjc4dCI3vlnJWWAFzcRcDP3rHj6bWejQE gyY3W2guQoXm8eIF1vyAI.ghDbOOvCY.XcjyeC9u.5qqp2keM.q3.gxkW7P0 cW1VNmIHM49AlxB3P6WWhOu3hrQMuao7v4zDV77Kx66.9h.gFOhS.3ttycvi TapWvPHIHKFnqakyP2D9B1LCfiND2gcqRA31wId82WS7kluQTlDtU1debZD_ oLKUVWVNq70OeBaSxchbY.KGAKoJ_8IKzEkZZf_0aGlD0.IXsLLt8XlwCqqU CJ5mdHDVZoWf8H1mNfPRLkUV3puGDW49pHA.PhyEBaIQbmp76LJ_y5GiGqNq iPn4zEjfgYB7Q7viwcHzxFr_JG3Y- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 75CdczOswBChen.W3AbLhaW8TlC96TVo5w-- From: Ben To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 12:59:38 +0200 Subject: Interview: Suzy Condrad Loop Artist (sonicstate) Message-Id: <20120502125938.ECE09880.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: nPOPuk Ver 2.16 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 10:59:39 +0000 (UTC) Hello, A little interview from sonicstate. http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2012/04/30/interview-suzy-condrad-loop-artist/ I'm not too in her music but it's great to see someone explaining looping and how the pedal board is wired. Ben From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 2 15:38:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2884D183477; Wed, 2 May 2012 15:38:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=P2pUtRMH/Sy/vKwsMprSVe0E4LhQDkC189LkkG5FVGM=; b=suxroxuGfuLTFVAw0xSpojRsZdqNyYYIa0S7kfPoF43RBH4tiWWWHsEEQMQXZuV1Lo lvAQuRVLKUqTEYcMLt4QfJXcZv0K22Sm9232nr39I7IVzli1qMEJGgJ9S1ZVA2Mq71rd ZC8o/6W/pMc1NaKYW309DDR0J1S7gaGcezfu6xjYwEvvRm8XmuOc9VHd6vyXHHkUf3ss mFvRssVpc45WigkHkBT+79IwlPKNPF3wRDucVq3tMsyd5ox66rEDuSvGekT7VnLmHBlg BnLssEl/thosTjSlCw63LehbCTsHlh+qw9GYYFXSuV1vqB/wsqunUhS4fSaxMkQvyyuD Bq+w== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> <59C4667F-84E9-420B-A29A-7F69B493311B@gmail.com> <99F4E7D2-5967-4B29-8CD6-BCC9FCBAF9FF@gmail.com> From: todd reynolds Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 11:38:13 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4efe2b540ecdb204bf0f7cd0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 15:38:54 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4efe2b540ecdb204bf0f7cd0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 yeah... though I haven't ever been able to get out during October yet, it seems especially true that there's a ton of love when all these types get together. a TON. not necessarily a ton of popcorn or multiple games of beer pong, but, yeah, a lotta love. On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 11:17 PM, Jean-Paul De Roover wrote: > What a good read! Does everybody get along just fine when it comes to > events like the live looping festival in Santa Cruz? Hope so! > Otherwise I'll have to start putting out fires when I meet you all > this October! > > need me right away? Call or text me at 917.576.6166 --e0cb4efe2b540ecdb204bf0f7cd0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yeah... though I haven't ever been able to get out during October yet, = it seems especially true that there's a ton of love when all these type= s get together. =A0a TON. =A0

not necessarily a ton of p= opcorn or multiple games of beer pong, but, yeah, a lotta love.

On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 11:17 PM, Jean-Paul D= e Roover <j.de.roover@gmail.com> wrote:
What a good read! Does everybody get along just fine when it comes to
events like the live looping festival in Santa Cruz? Hope so!
Otherwise I'll have to start putting out fires when I meet you all
this October!

need me right away? =A0Call or text me at 917.5= 76.6166



--e0cb4efe2b540ecdb204bf0f7cd0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 2 16:15:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A42AF18348B; Wed, 2 May 2012 16:15:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=y8T7UOBx4RKYu9hiNK+k8Gg/9DHQV/D8DpDjow+quSE=; b=P3fx5bFThIzSVfLqj67jwkR+k8uPxjKXy5fKar3cDwN55BWZHnjB9FayGzuTAvbaEH FCvEvQHQSTe+QVvRC6kXttM3ZvqmlZIcbje8r8jze5aCWLy3iiOtrwOzPFAOwsB+Kdc5 UxJVHiSQP2+8/6CH7tLmSYQQuqaf2x2JqkDeotNaz69TjYJWdfGwtP+I4Tt5ul92UED5 kbv3mqCGu0LztX6FK+hG6iZvaV1IikYJgrfZJ69Vqgx39EFoTFDBzJrJd8DZEtZZkNq7 etlvs31yzv2AnGqO5EAXKvbQ7HQEjCMACE+axX9h/wGv6Lppw2tT0kTjkf46wDCQJh1C q3ag== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> <59C4667F-84E9-420B-A29A-7F69B493311B@gmail.com> <99F4E7D2-5967-4B29-8CD6-BCC9FCBAF9FF@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 18:15:43 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 16:15:45 +0000 (UTC) Been there a couple of times. No fist fights. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 5:38 PM, todd reynolds wrote: > yeah... though I haven't ever been able to get out during October yet, it > seems especially true that there's a ton of love when all these types get > together. =C2=A0a TON. > > not necessarily a ton of popcorn or multiple games of beer pong, but, yea= h, > a lotta love. > > On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 11:17 PM, Jean-Paul De Roover > wrote: >> >> What a good read! Does everybody get along just fine when it comes to >> events like the live looping festival in Santa Cruz? Hope so! >> Otherwise I'll have to start putting out fires when I meet you all >> this October! >> > need me right away? =C2=A0Call or text me at 917.576.6166 > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 2 16:28:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1677C18348A; Wed, 2 May 2012 16:28:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Lxexj6wFn/AnJG3Jj9y8OHRBUJATMbkkHbY2pnMNheo=; b=XLFWwMmpFiUwtp/It2myFmLa+R/9V7+Z1yPWo79VNpFJg183NLG10PrUfEC44LfUyx w8Jrd/3IDI01XV5qeSXMAd60u89pw5T2knt4kKhmHjsP49LRxbTfb2QAvi1/yyd8KLh0 oFUmn71w9MnlAxS5P9+AtNJZDdlX3yX/wOywqb7I+gHxBb9HyfJTPnp6N7l05pPcXlRv W81slcRxW1Ue1qXenM6vNSw/o4Li4TKUjAIGRlQkvhxs93a8WYYr/yV4q5FA0dhn6rhu Wos1wkkw+qSRAvVI4H9hAg8OE0C4hMi8cSIjmUWABHRNe+C6APC1MBRfMObfLY1mEtWW 9KHQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> <59C4667F-84E9-420B-A29A-7F69B493311B@gmail.com> <99F4E7D2-5967-4B29-8CD6-BCC9FCBAF9FF@gmail.com> From: Jean-Paul De Roover Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 12:28:15 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 16:28:36 +0000 (UTC) Friendly in person, hilarious on the internet? That's about what I was expecting, haha. Will you be there this year, Per? On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Been there a couple of times. No fist fights. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 5:38 PM, todd reynolds wrote: >> yeah... though I haven't ever been able to get out during October yet, i= t >> seems especially true that there's a ton of love when all these types ge= t >> together. =A0a TON. >> >> not necessarily a ton of popcorn or multiple games of beer pong, but, ye= ah, >> a lotta love. >> >> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 11:17 PM, Jean-Paul De Roover >> wrote: >>> >>> What a good read! Does everybody get along just fine when it comes to >>> events like the live looping festival in Santa Cruz? Hope so! >>> Otherwise I'll have to start putting out fires when I meet you all >>> this October! >>> >> need me right away? =A0Call or text me at 917.576.6166 >> >> >> > --=20 Jean-Paul De Roover www.jeanpaulderoover.com (807) 251-3376 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 2 16:42:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5A2318348B; Wed, 2 May 2012 16:42:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wdyjV6nRoBm8+ot7J3ayo05P9Y4yFekkkuvuvZQE/os=; b=SYbN8m3kw72NdFySfs1KsCcTbMgcvtWKX6yuDl7bXxJXb5+3s+8Vs7Y1zfXRN068v9 dtpzYfEVVUZgAxUuj+Cs273k9AmnfCeW8ey2wlsOqVnIJHSdWWluBtwL+8H96BVvoloC uc4ChLlnCE6EnH1A4CPfDRRXhHBm3mTw5Tu5ULO4adiwEVkEzJ8ijJZ02bHLBfwAsq0V CfL6WDdtDIAb0o1Cjc/AAp8XFIbi3ElI08CWtUx2g4dDsW6g9Qdrk1IBDfzPSMxLsIi8 Abg9rpHjfzpaFMEYwRNIaFqt3t3kJsg+BrJjj20PHFODBDiY3Vjk87Y8P8Ky6WpwsyI2 +iPw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com> <5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com> <1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com> <59C4667F-84E9-420B-A29A-7F69B493311B@gmail.com> <99F4E7D2-5967-4B29-8CD6-BCC9FCBAF9FF@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 18:42:02 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <_o7TJD.A.m7G.bPWoPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 16:42:04 +0000 (UTC) I'm afraid I don't think so. Would love to, but traveling is expensive. Per On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 6:28 PM, Jean-Paul De Roover wrote: > Friendly in person, hilarious on the internet? That's about what I was > expecting, haha. Will you be there this year, Per? > > On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> Been there a couple of times. No fist fights. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 5:38 PM, todd reynolds wrote= : >>> yeah... though I haven't ever been able to get out during October yet, = it >>> seems especially true that there's a ton of love when all these types g= et >>> together. =C2=A0a TON. >>> >>> not necessarily a ton of popcorn or multiple games of beer pong, but, y= eah, >>> a lotta love. >>> >>> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 11:17 PM, Jean-Paul De Roover >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> What a good read! Does everybody get along just fine when it comes to >>>> events like the live looping festival in Santa Cruz? Hope so! >>>> Otherwise I'll have to start putting out fires when I meet you all >>>> this October! >>>> >>> need me right away? =C2=A0Call or text me at 917.576.6166 >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > -- > Jean-Paul De Roover > www.jeanpaulderoover.com > (807) 251-3376 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 2 19:05:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 485D2183479; Wed, 2 May 2012 19:05:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zeYqP63bG+oIKfy1aCdBSNDfinhibhEnnGftsZ2twuA=; b=Fe2dBq4bcO4cz4Nd2RC/emJSy/bQGJEijzlrXz1fBqX2x0MHrQAoyAjN4+dUJPF43N WuSlTzJ5hjga5g6UlkpTw2uKDgLR6RITvSBBOXwPpbv9pho2Yi5sv9raAK8kk0S9s91z bi105b1wws5IFq7z52P/f7MV2PqkhkVKQvDIcecv1bEYm+OymFz1+ZZ2hSlkf0AgYesF BGnynm9lFjZ4lXsjFu5TtvRzNiL3fTZyLwQxBY78rHp7qd74xSLprCY6saewFWdVGIYI QEX2aGvpkFf6Q6XUEZr7xtdTlkfwQj60MlsWR4LBAWq7ioBkyhMJj0pGfZwqfZ64ja1X XWzQ== Message-ID: <4FA18597.8030605@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 21:05:59 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Trippy little synth References: <20120502031737.387E8183486@arsenic.violacea.com> <7949967E-8CD9-456F-9230-68E123DF1CAC@batterycage.com> In-Reply-To: <7949967E-8CD9-456F-9230-68E123DF1CAC@batterycage.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 19:05:56 +0000 (UTC) Hi Tyler, thanks for your info on the OP-1. When I first saw it announced, I thought "hey, cool toy", but upon seeing the price tag, I wasn't so sure anymore. But now that it seems that it's more than just a toy...need to consider it again. The lack of proper MIDI would imo only be relevant if you used it together with a proper MIDI keyboard (because you don't want to play that tiny keyboard) - but that might be an important application (around which you could work by e.g. using an USB keyboard and a computer - but then you need a computer). The size is also great, as you mention. I just checked, and it's about the same width as my netbook, so that OP-1-plus-laptop scenario would work well from a form factor. Your statements about the sw stability, together with the fact that they released an OS update with tons of new features, yet the documentation is still version 1.0 really seems to indicate that they take the company name seriously: new features - yeah, let's do that! testing - mhhmm, I'll play with it a little and see if something comes up. Documentation - I sure would, but I'm busy implementing new features... Now on to my questions: For me, the OP-1 seems to be a "contemporary workstation synthesizer with an attitude", meaning from the general approach (keyboard, synth engine, drum engine, effects, sequencer and multitrack recorder) it's about the same as your Fantom/Motif/Kronos, but different to those, it's not the jack-of-all-trades, rather something unique... Would it, in your experience so far, also work well as some kind of musical scetchbook, which you use to do some ideas which come to you on a train ride, programming some drums, recording some instruments and singing a guide track? Btw, how much is the polyphony/multitimbrality/number of sequencer tracks? Is that sequencer pattern or linear, or both? How does the keyboard work? I assume it's only little more than a cheap replacement, but does it play better than your laptop keyboard? Does it have velocity? Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 2 23:35:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E4E8183486; Wed, 2 May 2012 23:35:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1105454878==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120502233502.17645.17543.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 19:35:04 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: plan, schedule and instructions for the Looper's Delight / Livelooping Conference 2012 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 23:35:08 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============1105454878== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello,=20everybody!=20It=20has=20been=20decided=20as=20far=20as=20when=20th= e=20Looper's=20Delight=20/=20 Livelooping=20Conference=202012=20is=20going=20to=20be.=20The=20following= =20message=20contains=20the=20time=20and=20instructions=20on=20 how=20to=20log=20in.=20I=20will=20repost=20this=20closer=20to=20the=20end= =20of=20the=20month=20as=20a=20reminder,=20but=20try=20to=20save=20this=20i= nformation=20now. Mark=20your=20calendars=20for=20Saturday,=20June=202,=202012=20from=202:00= =20PM=20to=205:00=20PM=20US=20 Eastern=20Time.=20This=20is=20the=20Looper's=20Delight=20/=20Livelooping=20= Conference.=20People=20will=20get=20to=20talk=20in=20 real-time=20about=20audio=20loops,=20different=20ways=20to=20use=20them,=20= loop=20history=20and=20culture,=20and=20much=20more.=20If=20 you=20have=20your=20equipment=20on=20hand=20during=20the=20digital=20confer= ence,=20you=20can=20create=20loops=20live=20on=20the=20spot=20for=20all=20 to=20hear.=20Remember,=20this=20conference=20will=20be=20recorded.=20We=20w= ill=20be=20using=20the=20Conversation=20Station=20conference=20system.=20Th= e=20 instructions=20are=20found=20below;=20go=20ahead,=20it=20doesn't=20hurt=20t= o=20practice=20logging=20in=20before=20the=20chat!=20Logging=20 into=20an=20empty=20chatroom=20doesn't=20hurt=20the=20server. Log=20in=20to=20Conversation=20Station.=20Dial=20the=20following=20phone=20= number=20to=20get=20there:=201-616-883-2999.=20You=20 will=20hear=20some=20sound.=20Skip=20all=20that=20intro=20and=20advertising= =20nonsense=20at=20the=20beginning=20by=20pressing=20Pound.=20It=20will=20 tell=20you=20"Press=201=20for=20live=20rooms."=20This=20is=20a=20live=20roo= m,=20so=20press=201.=20It=20will=20then=20ask=20you=20 to=20enter=20the=20room=20code=20and=20press=20Pound.=20This=20particular= =20channel=20is=205667=20(the=20easy=20way=20to=20remember=20 5667=20is=20that,=20on=20a=20phone,=20it=20spells=20L=20O=20O=20P).=20So,= =20dial=205667,=20and=20press=20Pound.=20 You=20will=20then=20hear=20my=20voice=20on=20a=20recording,=20introducing= =20the=20Looper's=20Delight=20/=20Livelooping=20 Conference.=20After=20the=20welcome=20recording,=20it=20will=20tell=20you= =20what's=20next.=20"Please=20say=20your=20name,=20then=20 press=20Pound."=20Once=20you=20do=20that,=20voila!=20You=20are=20in=20the= =20chat=20room.=20Any=20time=20you=20need=20help=20with=20 Conversation=20Station=20commands=20(such=20as=20muting=20yourself)=20just= =20hit=20Star=20twice=20while=20you're=20in=20the=20chat=20room.=20It=20wil= l=20 temporarily=20sign=20you=20off,=20and=20an=20electronic=20voice=20will=20te= ll=20you=20your=20commands.=20Then=20it=20will=20 automatically=20sign=20you=20back=20into=20the=20chat.=20When=20the=20show= =20is=20over=20(or=20you=20are=20done=20with=20the=20chat),=20it=20will=20s= ign=20 you=20off=20when=20you=20hang=20up,=20but=20we=20recommend=20pressing=200= =20(the=20exit=20command=20in=20Conversation=20Station)=20first.=20=20So,= =20 Saturday,=20June=202,=202012,=202:00=20PM=20to=205:00=20PM,=20Eastern=20Tim= e. Tyler=20Z --===============1105454878==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 3 13:55:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 326CF183463; Thu, 3 May 2012 13:55:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_affd929f-458a-474e-a50d-30521c24e01d_" X-Originating-IP: [87.102.15.109] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: FE: Electrix Repeater with OS v2.014 ,cards, PSU, Manual in the UK Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 13:55:22 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,<962BD5FE-42FA-4A1F-B12B-7936C3D2040E@charter.net> <6799FEE7-8DCC-4999-B1B9-BB5103DA8BA0@earthwormandfire.com>,,<5834D4F8-84D7-4250-8EE1-4C52F90B29FA@earthwormandfire.com>,<1335393838.26658.YahooMailNeo@web160702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>,<99B80829-1536-4AD1-A082-44F290F94E02@grubmah.com> <1335447334.55755.YahooMailNeo@web160706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>,,<1335462770.38101.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>,,,,<5015551608720235798@unknownmsgid> <1445B9C5-BCCA-4974-AB66-302248CEACB1@gmail.com>, ,,,,,<59C4667F-84E9-420B-A29A-7F69B493311B@gmail.com> , ,<99F4E7D2-5967-4B29-8CD6-BCC9FCBAF9FF@gmail.com> ,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 May 2012 13:55:23.0758 (UTC) FILETIME=[62E140E0:01CD2934] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 13:55:24 +0000 (UTC) --_affd929f-458a-474e-a50d-30521c24e01d_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have decided to Cash out my lovely Electrix Repeater to finance a S/H Oct= atrack. PM me for details=2C UK only. I would also be interested in anyone wanting to trade Electron Gear for it. Thanks Phill Wilson From: toddreyn@gmail.com Date: Wed=2C 2 May 2012 11:38:13 -0400 Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com yeah... though I haven't ever been able to get out during October yet=2C it= seems especially true that there's a ton of love when all these types get = together. a TON. =20 not necessarily a ton of popcorn or multiple games of beer pong=2C but=2C y= eah=2C a lotta love. On Tue=2C May 1=2C 2012 at 11:17 PM=2C Jean-Paul De Roover wrote: What a good read! Does everybody get along just fine when it comes to events like the live looping festival in Santa Cruz? Hope so! Otherwise I'll have to start putting out fires when I meet you all this October! need me right away? Call or text me at 917.576.6166 = --_affd929f-458a-474e-a50d-30521c24e01d_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have decided to Cash out my lovely Electrix Repeater to finance a S/H Oct= atrack.

PM me for details=2C UK only.

I would also be interested in anyone wanting to trade Electron Gear = for it.

Thanks

Phill Wils= on

From: toddreyn@gmail.com
Date: Wed=2C 2 May 2012 11:38:13 -0400
Sub= ject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-de= light.com

yeah... though I haven't ever been able to get out during = October yet=2C it seems especially true that there's a ton of love when all= these types get together.  =3Ba TON.  =3B

not n= ecessarily a ton of popcorn or multiple games of beer pong=2C but=2C yeah= =2C a lotta love.

On Tue=2C May 1=2C 2012 at 11:17 PM=2C Je= an-Paul De Roover <=3Bj.de.roover@gmail.com>=3B wrote:
What a good read! Does everybody get along just fine when it comes to
events like the live looping festival in Santa Cruz? Hope so!
Otherwise I'll have to start putting out fires when I meet you all
this October!

need me right away?  =3BCall or text me at = 917.576.6166


= --_affd929f-458a-474e-a50d-30521c24e01d_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 3 20:09:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0122C18345E; Thu, 3 May 2012 20:09:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FA2E5FB.9060701@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 16:09:31 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #786 for April 26, 2012. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 20:09:37 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/120426.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #786 April 26, 2012. WDIY Playlist:http://wdiy.org/shows/playList.jsp?id=8697 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Wave World. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Tableaux" on VFR Records. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/focus.html#apr I played the music of Broekhuis, Keller and Schonwalder who will appear at the Soundscapes Concert Series on Friday, May 11. http://soundscapes.us PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Broekhuis, Keller, Red Two Red (Manikin) and Schonwalder The Tangent Project Shuttle Live 2010-2011 (none) Steve Roach Part 3 Groove Immersion (Projekt) Wave World Covenant Tableaux (VFR) Wave World Microscopic Tableaux (VFR) Wave World Sunrise In the New Tableaux (VFR) World 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Wave World Recently In the Tableaux (VFR) Gamma Quadrant Wave World The Web Is Spun Tableaux (VFR) Wave World The Secret Tableaux (VFR) Wave World Watcher of the Skies Tableaux (VFR) Wave World Saying Prayers Tableaux (VFR) Wave World Nanowasp Tableaux (VFR) Wave World Protection Tableaux (VFR) Wave World The Dance Tableaux (VFR) Wave World If I Could Travel Tableaux (VFR) Through Time Wave World Waters From the Tableaux (VFR) Waters 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on Broekhuis, Keller, and Schonwalder. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Orange" on Manikin Records. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/focus.html#may Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org/listen on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 3 20:35:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9643C183465; Thu, 3 May 2012 20:35:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FA2EBEB.5050404@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 16:34:51 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 20:35:05 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long Special Focus on Broekhuis, Keller, and Schonwalder. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Orange" on Manikin Records. The Focus page is at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#may Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 4 05:56:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17528183463; Fri, 4 May 2012 05:56:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 07:56:53 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20120504055653.57320@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20120428164342.11170@gmx.net> <4F9EFE00.5040809@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: RC-2 to PA needs DI box? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18g440ziEMg/z7q1oaik3gbZYkj8fAW4Y1SUQajCp 2lG+kxxSqgZ42L6UOO41z7Zg6ysyXXJKsykQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: 8grRbwB3eSEqTMh4kHUhEIV+IGRvbwBa Resent-Message-ID: <7jqNnC.A.SQE.p-2oPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 05:56:57 +0000 (UTC) Thanks again for all your responses. It's interesting that there is a gap between theory ("should work") and practice ("DI is better"). best regards Buzap -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 4 06:06:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 085EF183464; Fri, 4 May 2012 06:06:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 08:06:27 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20120504060627.57310@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Subject: Re: Trippy little synth To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18NOcBdXmENGUAT7+AycBdSym7nIT3VFJzljJozcz 2lTkI9k2mdGPfBJ5hVY7k9UampUN5BnI5qCA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: tBTRbwd3eSEqTMh4kHUht4R+IGRvbwBA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 06:06:30 +0000 (UTC) > Teenage Engineering OP-1? I have fallen in love with the user interface when I saw the first videos. Imho, I think they would sell this product like crazy if they'd positioned it ca. 50% of the price (just like the Tenori-On). For so many people who are curious but don't really "need" it, the price-tag is really a deal-breaker. Buzap -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 4 06:07:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5493183474; Fri, 4 May 2012 06:07:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 08:07:28 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20120504060728.57330@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Subject: Re: Trippy little synth To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18DN9Mhf1gDt/U+NRO55rmXGK8SZooLYn+uYWdhMK UGVE5xIqNl480X+dx+5U0shokDdrepE+mwPA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: dxfRbwF3eSEqTMh4kHUhaYt+IGRvb4A0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 06:07:30 +0000 (UTC) Track 4: Obscure Hopper sounds great! > I just ran across this compilation album that only uses the OP-1 > http://noorden.bandcamp.com/ -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 4 08:57:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42A0D183463; Fri, 4 May 2012 08:57:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 218416.40122.bm@omp1070.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1336121851; bh=kd6H5fS5BD5i7GLbP+Ar8aPHsntVdynPvDemX98xfy0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ATWoNmdrG/XXz23Sn7w7UH4m8c15VK18qcjI9HGaIs7sCdijQvWxiHxNIDgs27WyN+VQjm3hAe0OYYkpacS/gkQsiN4RnF85fskTOMyUZT2uqL7tlDfoDfsP4sdTgCyA2iD8gg9zLanLRIatW+C3xrHKR0Tgavx5boN9w++EHO8= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CQBiqfvW6SEHvPTzubAxnbOkVHRVDRIOEa3FcESXUkjVHT7AXPGuNQw8QTapugcbJBMjDsSV7KF0MZb4y45NA2y+UDJPdg2uRUa1If6QOHQI5U00WubH6lNI1Y+Q8eI4YfORRN9ydQKM3ubYloSyYv6+2hn1QaYM8gEgBC+mFlo=; X-YMail-OSG: _GebQy8VM1k7l4yvO.VyfaziqMXHtE2QE4sa1A1sccIG__g TCiIWYKadujw_pbOGq0Wb1tsKyj0S6AfOiYGgi0ddUbbZ8H.Nm6E9YYKWhm1 FO8qO6g0KquDxhhIdALxWIIrXyA0mYA3o87iUuGovLDTIwS1wZZmQbmPGBjR 7JgfzHN8GiulCcP61Lt2Nrb_iHChxalQQxPtAgVuexhnY3j6984E14.M3YoK L6lUIDKxCy9DrM51Wv8Rjeja_Vjpr9jTGfwy.1K4sGM0BHjX1biYSSHJn2Dq T4PGhqCadwQ9yDsVqgf69r.syowaxyZM5Ch7MrtNWRGT7WtGOMkQhKDgsjcl F7TcCd85WHrfqgFIF6w31GNPJ.pLVTG_jDnJSU8Uw38xX4rQWwz0J7psYmSs pemh4aFboBT0ODnIF9zUzmWin8s38dkKgAURlweXhLPQMFI6ZFrbA.vr0X6v YugVYoxR2inzucgFGd7pKNyunfISlHndBGtDtneTGAe_LOXUDbIzGByXl2wl U8e6APPTUAsARIIDSpoLrgx9bKPCnKELC.RfScCbO_LztIZliIdmNl6F8xY4 oA7sbWeLheVmDMomVADDk0yzfLGSRUQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1336121851.46466.YahooMailNeo@web163802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 01:57:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Reply-To: Luis Angulo Subject: Boss RC-300 crashes To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="288713719-993776752-1336121851=:46466" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 08:57:34 +0000 (UTC) --288713719-993776752-1336121851=:46466 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable anybody using it?=0AI treid it for a couple fo days,great device but has so= me serious problems,it crashes while changing loops with single track mode = turned on,and=A0 with tempo set to off=0Aheres an example:=0A=0Ahttp://www.= youtube.com/watch?v=3Dm_TGrEVH8_A=0A=0ATalked to Roland and the store where= i bought it and they all say they havent experienced anything of that natu= re=0Aso i wonder if i got a lemon,ive sent it back anyway=0A=0Ain case you = have it let me know if you have the same problems=0A=0Aotherewise really ni= ce upgrade!=0A=0Acheers=0ALuis=0A=0A=0A=0A=A0=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/luis= angulocom --288713719-993776752-1336121851=:46466 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
anybody us= ing it?
I treid it for a couple fo days,great device= but has some serious problems,it crashes while changing loops with single = track mode turned on,and  with tempo set to off
heres an example:

http:= //www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dm_TGrEVH8_A

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Talked to Roland and the store where i bought it and they a= ll say they havent experienced anything of that nature
so i wonder if i got a lemon,ive sent it back anyway
in case you have it let me know if you have the same problems

otherewise really nice upgrade!
cheers
Luis
=

 = ;
http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
--288713719-993776752-1336121851=:46466-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 4 11:24:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0083E183460; Fri, 4 May 2012 11:24:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 450 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Fri, 04 May 2012 11:24:30 UTC Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 13:16:59 +0200 (CEST) From: antony hequet Reply-To: antony hequet To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <1196994373.27152.1336130219274.JavaMail.www@wwinf1e25> In-Reply-To: <20120502125938.ECE09880.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> References: <20120502125938.ECE09880.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> Subject: iPad lyrics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_27151_1141213390.1336130219273" X-Originating-IP: [178.193.233.114] X-WUM-FROM: |~| X-WUM-TO: |~| X-WUM-REPLYTO: |~| Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 11:24:31 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_27151_1141213390.1336130219273 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello, I remember there was a long discussion about software to read lyrics on stage. Anyone care to point me back to the discussion. I have no idea how to research a past topic. What is the best software for this purpose? Antony Hequet poet composer ------=_Part_27151_1141213390.1336130219273 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

hello,

I remember there was a long discussion about software to read lyrics on stage. Anyone care to point me back to the discussion. I have no idea how to research a past topic.

What is the best software for this purpose?


Antony Hequet

poet composer

------=_Part_27151_1141213390.1336130219273-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 4 15:39:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A285183463; Fri, 4 May 2012 15:39:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 756906230/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.30.97/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.30.97 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAFn3o09YbR5h/2dsb2JhbAANOIVusAcBAQEDASMVLRMRCxgCAgUWCwICCQMCAQIBRRwBiASoE5MCgS+MOYINgRgEm2GNSA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,531,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="756906230" Message-ID: <4FA3F835.3010502@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 16:39:33 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-2 to PA needs DI box? References: <20120428164342.11170@gmx.net> <4F9EFE00.5040809@tiscali.co.uk> <20120504055653.57320@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20120504055653.57320@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 15:39:28 +0000 (UTC) Buzap Buzap wrote: > Thanks again for all your responses. > It's interesting that there is a gap between theory ("should work") and practice ("DI is better"). The gap is...we don't know how good the output buffer on the R2 is. ...or how good the cable. Also, if you needed to drive a long cable run to a FOH mixer then converting to balanced line with a DI might make all the difference. Another thing to bear in mind is that if you have a DI box on your gear list the pa engineer will be happier. If you don't, he may blame any poor sound you get on lack of DI, even if that isn't the case. ...but essentially I think you get it, that you try it and if it works for you it's good :-) andy > > best regards > Buzap > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 4 17:08:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA1CD183460; Fri, 4 May 2012 17:08:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:importance :x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=UxeL5+paD2gGCA0rQQKm64fgj+ZHy78KbhejRpexj7g=; b=C7mYGEPHvI7dUpLmRI9oB7OuoTf+NqdhkUyjsnaIDT+/iZ37XmehmJVa1eo4zTOT0T Jkk3zpT3RcKSqjQBjVoyjw7a5tH3O3VgDrxWsy2jV7F1rHv8oAZhzI37h4Pg5AvJZY17 eWGuIpw/2cOA95YbkJ98BjfU8T6P13SvjuOaaIV3F6ov+nJqj8Qk2MqwYmJ+cL3JDTgK wyiP1RZQa82kTTD4fZT0Jcq/YpclHSzYy1epV7dDpuw4AgwDR55Psp10FaW0K2avo28B KRe7H14nJZfQBps8iEyCkA22tPRxxD9UGfUFqiVZHLG5t7cvBcLQpbd2wHz+dJGUmu7W CfvQ== Message-ID: From: "Boise Creative & Improvised Music Festival" To: Subject: Live's Looper Volume vs. Input and Doubling Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 11:08:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 17:08:53 +0000 (UTC) Hoping someone can help me resolve this... First, I've used Live's looper in two ways. I have put it in an audio track, and then for any live instrument track I want looped, I routed the output of that track to the Looper track. Works great. I've also put the looper in one of the Return tracks, and then set the output of my live instrument tracks to Sends Only. Also works fine. However, this is the issue. I want to be able to loop my live music, and then lower or increase the volume of the loop output. The only way I can do this, since the Looper doesn't have a volume parameter, is to assign my a CC to the track volume that the looper is in. However, when I lower the volume, it also lowers the volume of my live instrument, that is being fed into the looper track. The only way I could think of resolving this is that when I run the Looper in a Return track, in the instrument track, I set the output to Master. But then, I am doubling my inputs to the Master. I am sending the output of my live instrument to both the Master and the Send track. Anyone have any ideas on how to resolve this? Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 4 17:28:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4D71183473; Fri, 4 May 2012 17:28:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=nfqW/W/Uwjru0tOCfj4U/dO+/NWu8QKecZK8ikxFTE4=; b=ocAXgtiTE7mIx6B89AyqLf+stuv1qLybztkJQuJsZQN/3XwJ14Rm0SyMdoGePEVkw8 kwxtMP4mhlrhZkRW/btvUx/M/p/W9ZAuQHf3jGBd9oVYuPJZkqhjyWdiKAfxPkrBDW/a NQaXpi+S9JH0hDYv8qCik0CYvGEcNCPtgxwKdQkWpO0L9KisvfmDtkCblEqWcGe9zMFW htPQB9Ov5Af0bZeaIBdc9aoeu8CBEIDGyPa9u+HqMDK3f9H7hMRgAL12Nh8WNA++6OM5 dktFqAEYVAWqgUQNm6v7QrJY1NlfMI4qT+J8Zzcckjifr76yV3hHyxDXMy6CnjM50VwM sBXQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 19:28:48 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Live's Looper Volume vs. Input and Doubling From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 17:28:49 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Boise Creative & Improvised Music Festival wrote: > However, this is the issue. I want to be able to loop my live music, and > then lower or increase the volume of the loop output. The only way I can do > this, since the Looper doesn't have a volume parameter, is to assign my a CC > to the track volume that the looper is in. Hi Kris, There is a better way: Slap a Utility plugin on the track after the Looper and assign your external CC# to the Utility plugin's Gain parameter. > However, when I lower the volume, > it also lowers the volume of my live instrument, that is being fed into the > looper track. Solution: do not monitor through the Looper plugin. In the Looper plugin, set "Input --> Output" to "Never". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 4 19:07:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23396183462; Fri, 4 May 2012 19:07:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=UFo3EmH4ox2Yw7MOW3IqIF3mjW4zZ4k1fRiE5IYdlNw=; b=dCNw6crfF5gEKZBhzEqzMIUgXjTipeWTraE5xR2TaDiTBJanf2V64k4imeg1wtkkM/ pMZNxvfGop4tpc6R0LqAuunk0slOFzDdt3KWUi7pu7spTaV+ZPABOZBYjJHXEd+UGfOC oKQDXO738znd8QdxGMlYvv9fZT8rih5H57dkeRdill6DjQaDbsZOxcDdbDZFXXTmWsRh JzxT4O5olw+rh6hZIMY+Zne7SB/Jln14EVaeSNEPrKeSXBfYMs8vgFDzUHwKqdXTx7RF KQvBwivr4Do9LaBpY6UkmQL3p2lTjPqUA3e/ff5wySjeZ1z6Jf9U6UEBwaC9nc/HoF14 1pVQ== Message-ID: <15CFBEF7D0514CD8AF5B16FE1E51BDC4@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Boise Creative & Improvised Music Festival" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Live's Looper Volume vs. Input and Doubling Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 13:07:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 19:07:09 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Per. So if I don't monitor the output of the loop through the loop plugin, how do I hear the output? Where else would the output go? -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 11:28 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live's Looper Volume vs. Input and Doubling On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Boise Creative & Improvised Music Festival wrote: > However, this is the issue. I want to be able to loop my live music, and > then lower or increase the volume of the loop output. The only way I can > do > this, since the Looper doesn't have a volume parameter, is to assign my a > CC > to the track volume that the looper is in. Hi Kris, There is a better way: Slap a Utility plugin on the track after the Looper and assign your external CC# to the Utility plugin's Gain parameter. > However, when I lower the volume, > it also lowers the volume of my live instrument, that is being fed into > the > looper track. Solution: do not monitor through the Looper plugin. In the Looper plugin, set "Input --> Output" to "Never". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 4 19:12:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDC4D183473; Fri, 4 May 2012 19:12:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Trippy little synth From: tyler newman In-Reply-To: <20120504055700.48256183454@arsenic.violacea.com> Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 12:12:02 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20120504055700.48256183454@arsenic.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <9wOI8D.A.QKD.GoCpPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 19:12:06 +0000 (UTC) hi- >=20 > Your statements about the sw stability, together with the fact that = they released an OS update with tons of new features, yet the = documentation is still version 1.0 really seems to indicate that they = take the company name seriously: new features - yeah, let's do that! = testing - mhhmm, I'll play with it a little and see if something comes = up. Documentation - I sure would, but I'm busy implementing new = features... >=20 yep, that pretty much sums it up. hopefully someone from TE is = monitoring the 'unofficial' forum for bug reports, because there are = certainly some serious ones. luckily, most of them are pretty hard to = reproduce, so it's not like i'm affected by them on a daily basis. > Now on to my questions: > For me, the OP-1 seems to be a "contemporary workstation synthesizer = with an attitude", meaning from the general approach (keyboard, synth = engine, drum engine, effects, sequencer and multitrack recorder) it's = about the same as your Fantom/Motif/Kronos, but different to those, it's = not the jack-of-all-trades, rather something unique... > Would it, in your experience so far, also work well as some kind of = musical scetchbook, which you use to do some ideas which come to you on = a train ride, programming some drums, recording some instruments and = singing a guide track? Btw, how much is the = polyphony/multitimbrality/number of sequencer tracks? Is that sequencer = pattern or linear, or both? >=20 it is definitely designed towards the "musical sketchpad" type of = concept, though i havent' really used it much for that. so far i find = the tape deck functions completely baffling, but there are people out = there making really great music with it, so i'm confident it's my own = limitation. i've used it on the train to design some sounds and stuff, = but not much more than that yet.=20 as far as sequencer tracks and stuff, it's a bit different than you = would think. basically, the concept revolves around a 4 track tape deck = (like the old tascam portastudio). you use a seqencer on a particular = instrument (drums, bass, etc), and lay that to tape. then you over dub = the next sequencer on top of that, on another tape track. so, you don't = really run into polyphony problems, because you're not really firing off = a ton of stuff in realtime. it all builds up on the tape. naturally you = can do things like merge tape tracks, or even more important: take the = tape deck output and resample it (!) then lay the results back to their = own tape track. it is really great for mangling sounds that way. but you = are always limited to four tape channels and one stereo output pair. = there is a very limited onboard mixer and buss compressor, it gets the = job done with no frills. personally, i just come up with the part that i = like, then record it out to digital performer for further work. there are many different onboard sequencers. there's a pattern one = (think 808 style programming), a step sequencer (like a Prophet 08), = something called 'tombola' which is interesting if you want to come up = with autechre style sounds...it uses gravity and the onboard = accelerometer to work. it's interesting, but i don't have that much = musical use for it. then there is the new 'finger' sequencer, which is = sort of more of the 'pattern / step' sequencer hybrid. one interesting = thing about the sequencers is that they will change pitch depending on = which key you're playing. so, you can pitch a drum sequence up an octave = just by playing a note an octave higher. that's a very cool feature, and = i've never seen another instrument that could do it. one thing i like, it has a built in FM radio that you can sample = directly from, or use as a modulation source for any parameter. i set up = the radio to a techno station here in SF, and used the output to = modulate the depth of the reverb (which is already a really gnarly = spring reverb emulator). it was pretty insane sounding noise. > How does the keyboard work? I assume it's only little more than a = cheap replacement, but does it play better than your laptop keyboard? = Does it have velocity? the keyboard is a lot better in practice than you might think. no = velocity, but you won't really notice. i actually like the keyboard, and = generally use only that when i'm programming the instrument. if you use = an external keyboard, the sounds will respond to velocity.=20 the instrument is extremely unique. i've been playing synths for 20 = years or so, and have never really heard anything like it. they paid a = lot of attention to making the UI very simple to use...most parameter is = color coded and intuitive. that said, the sounds are certainly not for = everyone. they are not "warm" or "analog" sounding in the slightest. = they all sound very cold and digital...and yet, not like any digital = synth i've ever heard. even their take on FM is quite unusual sounding. = it's definitely geared towards experimental electronic music, for sure. my next big hurdle is getting my mind wrapped around the tape deck. it's = hard to think in such limited terms after being spoiled by endless = possibilities and the convenience of using a mouse. however, i think = that for people who are used to working with hardware devices like the = octatrack or the MPC series or things like that, it should be a much = smaller learning curve. there are a lot of videos on youtube that demonstrate the device in = various capacities. almost all of them are terrible. they don't really = sound good, and they tend to underwhelm. however, there is a power user = ("dj thomas white") who has made some really great tutorials about a lot = of the different features. his videos tend towards house music, which = isn't necessarily my cup of tea musically, but you can really learn a = lot about how to operate the machine nonetheless. definitely take a look = at those if you're thinking about purchasing this thing. hope that helps a bit :) - tyler= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 4 19:24:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DBA5183462; Fri, 4 May 2012 19:24:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=FZQ6DKvfLcMSwnwBUVmV1paRZcyX43V3tjV8kfcFhwI=; b=gJ9sakssLRCGqmoY3feULt16jBXxhzwUadFfh2xKTREMxOUUerdoMahrstBhRoLpgr 2kGEJJSMwrhlLPGZnAw0WZAXQ/rcTPvFMCW+JuKGHhfs5BzQZDtLVCUt4nzt9M1MBZTm 2B0vsP/ev/cIZfYo8YYZuU2IzOlyGra7WnbgB6KGHEzUDJZiZnsprWYnQ+gM42WOKb8w VrpZCvZkILeAfRKUShnSl19Hmv/X1PqqBwgilLs9UeRWfeEQgoXM+L1L8YnYCXX2xehV Y3dvFIE5GI+7JZpavuMycvjES/gDgoGnK7RyIY9GC9lWs0U6n1Z0pL5pR76feSb5njXS 2MvA== Subject: Re: Live's Looper Volume vs. Input and Doubling References: <15CFBEF7D0514CD8AF5B16FE1E51BDC4@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: Todd Reynolds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B179) In-Reply-To: <15CFBEF7D0514CD8AF5B16FE1E51BDC4@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-Id: <30DA2CA3-50DE-4544-8EC7-31BFB79FC3C6@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 14:24:19 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 19:24:26 +0000 (UTC) Put the looper on a separate channel, and route audio into into it from your= input channel. =20 The looper could be on another audio channel or on a return.=20 Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2012, at 2:07 PM, "Boise Creative & Improvised Music Festival" wrote: > Thanks Per. So if I don't monitor the output of the loop through the loop p= lugin, how do I hear the output? Where else would the output go? >=20 > -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 11:28 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Live's Looper Volume vs. Input and Doubling >=20 > On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Boise Creative & Improvised Music > Festival wrote: >> However, this is the issue. I want to be able to loop my live music, and >> then lower or increase the volume of the loop output. The only way I can d= o >> this, since the Looper doesn't have a volume parameter, is to assign my a= CC >> to the track volume that the looper is in. >=20 >=20 > Hi Kris, >=20 > There is a better way: Slap a Utility plugin on the track after the > Looper and assign your external CC# to the Utility plugin's Gain > parameter. >=20 >=20 >> However, when I lower the volume, >> it also lowers the volume of my live instrument, that is being fed into t= he >> looper track. >=20 > Solution: do not monitor through the Looper plugin. In the Looper > plugin, set "Input --> Output" to "Never". >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 4 19:24:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87D9C183462; Fri, 4 May 2012 19:24:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=TMeXMehrgtGT+Raz0vl90mfEKHl+y4Dr+4EyNcgTyHA=; b=ClPOrwjBfASplo8tt1V7CsKGn1xRSAbBPha+EwuJ+sTdvsJnpZ2TRqHc2S4UDiyWs/ +ecu9aaV2kVzBx2koCTejtwpAYiIuDDA7zzJbGJW1M7G1tEWxPXEZ1/xTrFrxinI5yKj bX76mb0VL/DCZlSTMEKwTsZ3XBcQEywGzoBDzVISFB4qdT5OlcNyr6J7xEfk2McNbRrE vX8b80rMhNdAJ+T596ojHwBWw/plQ+oNNhNOlQ4NA+xmdHY87xbbqMxCOFocuYL735oB EXAq1oNGqlYd3sk7b8xnaTzQtw2R18FqgXLw/Svf+85Ue28Icyj7FfrMOu/7DWdkDa86 a7Og== Message-ID: <5F64879664BC417E9FFF993DACF2DD94@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Boise Creative & Improvised Music Festival" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Live's Looper Volume vs. Input and Doubling Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 13:24:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 19:24:44 +0000 (UTC) oh, I get it now. Thanks, Per. I actually don't need the Utility plugin. I can lower the volume of the Send track (looper) and still hear the output of my live instrument. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 11:28 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live's Looper Volume vs. Input and Doubling On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Boise Creative & Improvised Music Festival wrote: > However, this is the issue. I want to be able to loop my live music, and > then lower or increase the volume of the loop output. The only way I can > do > this, since the Looper doesn't have a volume parameter, is to assign my a > CC > to the track volume that the looper is in. Hi Kris, There is a better way: Slap a Utility plugin on the track after the Looper and assign your external CC# to the Utility plugin's Gain parameter. > However, when I lower the volume, > it also lowers the volume of my live instrument, that is being fed into > the > looper track. Solution: do not monitor through the Looper plugin. In the Looper plugin, set "Input --> Output" to "Never". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 4 19:25:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 864D9183464; Fri, 4 May 2012 19:25:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=bX179rua97Qi3ALAZ/hUsOG/IP90+DxZONsmI3G3cD4=; b=i75ArNhjY5hkkY/QLxKFE2sZlIbc7iBTZDOlRnIiigAcI/HJWQBKbGR9isjIgVICY0 Gknpl7HgD07E4+2dNlhm8xj1CRsXxLfaOj2tTsn1KSpLNoKmYjv5fzrOZaZiz4dSd0wn uRTo3Ld/L0kUv+VhqDGLCI8haccuHfNArVccYYEkgVvffe0Jtqv8raFp+KC3dwf8JbtW BZZ0ganjiI6PMAxj0pDGG4TucI+biWD+HTKUEZzpcJFExQCDPfW8jpIhVcM0sv9+Dfms VIZ5btcP0SqDfrsBRU8ogj6cKXocKT33K0DwFTJH7hg9oND2t5dW5aNJmcqPqvdpPhix fOFg== Subject: Re: Live's Looper Volume vs. Input and Doubling References: <15CFBEF7D0514CD8AF5B16FE1E51BDC4@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: Todd Reynolds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B179) In-Reply-To: <15CFBEF7D0514CD8AF5B16FE1E51BDC4@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-Id: Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 14:25:04 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 19:25:07 +0000 (UTC) Sort, I just realized I should have let you answer this Per. Regrets.=20 Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2012, at 2:07 PM, "Boise Creative & Improvised Music Festival" wrote: > Thanks Per. So if I don't monitor the output of the loop through the loop p= lugin, how do I hear the output? Where else would the output go? >=20 > -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 11:28 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Live's Looper Volume vs. Input and Doubling >=20 > On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Boise Creative & Improvised Music > Festival wrote: >> However, this is the issue. I want to be able to loop my live music, and >> then lower or increase the volume of the loop output. The only way I can d= o >> this, since the Looper doesn't have a volume parameter, is to assign my a= CC >> to the track volume that the looper is in. >=20 >=20 > Hi Kris, >=20 > There is a better way: Slap a Utility plugin on the track after the > Looper and assign your external CC# to the Utility plugin's Gain > parameter. >=20 >=20 >> However, when I lower the volume, >> it also lowers the volume of my live instrument, that is being fed into t= he >> looper track. >=20 > Solution: do not monitor through the Looper plugin. In the Looper > plugin, set "Input --> Output" to "Never". >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 5 01:44:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94BCF183465; Sat, 5 May 2012 01:44:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 450 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sat, 05 May 2012 01:44:17 UTC From: Phil Clevenger Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Echoloop Behavior Question #2 Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 18:44:15 -0700 Message-Id: <344D72E3-1B47-4607-9D8D-B7857935D6AA@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Matthias Grob , andy butler Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Authenticated-User: 59682 phil@philclevenger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 01:44:17 +0000 (UTC) Another Echoloop question: Been happily using this VST for hours each night for the last couple of = months. Recently, the "Quantize" menu began occasionally to stop working = properly, whether operated manually or via remote switch. By that I mean, "Off" works as expected, but "Subcycle" and "Loop" also = act like "Off," while "Cycle" acts like "Loop." (I may have Cycle and = Subcycle mixed up here, but you get the point) When that first started, it was only occasional, and I could fix it only = by restarting Ableton. Last night it happened twice in one evening, and = this afternoon, it has happened three or four times already and now = restarting Ableton will not fix it. Has something corrupted? Phil :) p.s. I am using Quantize to moderate Overdub and Substitute, in Sus = mode.=20= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 5 01:53:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE6C1183462; Sat, 5 May 2012 01:53:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 986 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sat, 05 May 2012 01:53:16 UTC From: Phil Clevenger Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Echoloop Behavior Question #1 Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 18:36:45 -0700 Message-Id: <3C163504-471E-4594-8CCF-F0BBF590CF10@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Matthias Grob , andy butler Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Authenticated-User: 59682 phil@philclevenger.com Resent-Message-ID: <7acOhD.A._0G.NgIpPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 01:53:17 +0000 (UTC) I have been observing this behavior using Echoloop in Ableton over the = last month or so...=20 1. Make a loop. 2. CopySnd to NextLoop 3. Develop that material - - Over a bit of time, as I add material via Overdub or QuantSusOverdub, = the original material sometimes gets faded back pretty severely... such = that when I move back to the previous Loop, the volume jump back to the = original can be pretty harsh... it's almost as if, with the second loop, = Feedback is set to, say, 110 or so (though it is most definitely not). I would perhaps expect this behavior with really dense loops, packed = full of frequencies and amplitudes... but this seems to happen even with = sparse loops. This does not happen every time, but once or twice a night on average... = over a 2-4 hour session. - - For that matter, occasionally the VST seems to get stuck in a 'feedback = at less than 127' mode, where, regardless of the actual 127 state of = Feedback in the VST, my loop fades towards nothing without my telling it = to do so :) Are these known bugs ? Anyone else experiencing this?=20 Phil :) p.s. Andy, Matthias, do you guys want bug reports, and if so, would you = prefer them to be addressed to you directly? I have found only one other = real bug, plus one funny but consistent behavioral curiosity; I must say = overall this VST is very stable and runs beautifully 99% of the time... = for me... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 5 08:00:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46ABF183465; Sat, 5 May 2012 08:00:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Ivum8GHZQmZ5ApbexawgnM1oGSgEc5Qe6VyOzZ2Bdy4=; b=cFBRbeH8h+CmSNsDBf5ImI8GrqPJoEb9Y956HFWJq4cWeHMTYD4MekIQcS0yu4MzYx tguzRWNsJ/v2fzwe8jVO4R3xFADI05m18sshGxBdaZ13Dhn1TJPRA5t3ctCjltiPsqZA ObMCN0Fo7x/oyAvbadchwpyi7nqMO2Ibyml16c50a4wdE7x7Rcgy242aH1AMwyp4U2PA R1/eKcA9qNtfIlv1K5vCc/O0lTdeF3DWbPwiFw3lDjToSNp3mg5efkfA4WWDLNPJTqLt pB2ZyVahiIhk9XzVRV+2ilMVpHG7VheVlBKpO7rbOh3HSjwg6GGR1cwIGvLTTNJ5N18T 9E1w== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <15CFBEF7D0514CD8AF5B16FE1E51BDC4@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 10:00:13 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Live's Looper Volume vs. Input and Doubling From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 08:00:14 +0000 (UTC) > On May 4, 2012, at 2:07 PM, "Boise Creative & Improvised Music Festival" wrote: > >> Thanks Per. So if I don't monitor the output of the loop through the loop plugin, how do I hear the output? Where else would the output go? You can listen to your inputs on their main channels; the channel from where you send signal to the looper hosting channel. Just use ordinary mixer signal routing common sense. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 5 09:14:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8263D183465; Sat, 5 May 2012 09:14:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 11:14:19 +0200 (CEST) From: antony hequet Reply-To: antony hequet To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <1681783461.90459.1336209259964.JavaMail.www@wwinf1h13> In-Reply-To: References: <15CFBEF7D0514CD8AF5B16FE1E51BDC4@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: best iPad Lyrics music app MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_90458_916744777.1336209259962" X-Originating-IP: [178.193.233.114] X-WUM-FROM: |~| X-WUM-TO: |~| X-WUM-REPLYTO: |~| Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 09:14:22 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_90458_916744777.1336209259962 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello, I am looking for an iPad app that would allow me to enter my own lyrics or = capture them on the web and have them scroll when I perform. Cananyon oint = me in the right diretcion: name of app or thread. Believe it or not I do no= t know how to resarch a thread on this forum... =C2=A0 Antony Hequet poet composer =C2=A0 www.mund.fr ------=_Part_90458_916744777.1336209259962 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

hello,

I am looking for an iPad app that would allow me to enter my own lyrics or capture them on the web and have them scroll when I perform. Cananyon oint me in the right diretcion: name of app or thread. Believe it or not I do not know how to resarch a thread on this forum...

 

Antony Hequet

poet composer

 

www.mund.fr

------=_Part_90458_916744777.1336209259962-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 5 10:48:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65FE2183465; Sat, 5 May 2012 10:48:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=VPHRUkbWS/UOIOijzdctWvObvDY606a3B23S00UlDq8=; b=Q4BNxMwfobcjxpu0nP0wrSTgO+GjymElx5InGKja8l85yVJpI5bbjD2Xz185WVSfKo gfLo03Zqmtiw2wmADbaeHxP9H1vL4dDrVw/buQPMK8mabH0r6DkgyY3x4kteYLzNW/9R YY4RoiumyR6iuIPu1zSHVakoZkc0KT9Wl7BYI3Mcm01H663aGzY4cPQ4QgDxHS3SGdRt TEFI/5fRUcryvppHdrTHNRkfBY2kFsqVK9sSgVbC4NKYOtWKS2vKskUIpLFUGi0E8kyX 8a7Q5HZ0COvI453ekPz0GKJryn2R08mPzP6XrvBUEFqpTXdDjtaKogiFXUV6nslIO+wU M2ew== From: Todd Matthews Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: FS: Fireface UC and Korg Kaoss Pad KP3 Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 06:48:54 -0400 Message-Id: <7DADFCF0-5AD6-4992-BC77-017DD828CBA0@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Resent-Message-ID: <10XVjB.A.TsC.aWQpPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 10:48:58 +0000 (UTC) Anybody interested in adding these to their looping setup? The fire face = UC is extremely low latency and sounds great. I upgraded my audio = interface and I don't use the kaoss pad anymore. Both units are in = pristine condition. I'll get rid of the UC for the price of a Babyface, = 750 and the Korg I could let go for 200. Send me an email off list if = you are interested. -------------------- Todd Matthews toddbass.com twitter: gtodd876 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 5 13:57:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E7FA183475; Sat, 5 May 2012 13:57:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=TkbkBsIx3mPcdj/y+9B9uFwcDJd/RmGbj982vbNR8Vw=; b=D4Nt9n3znwMCfx3sjBIBQtiqjB42XwAJtQ5W/YQPszofZZHbH9Giw5df8VX4OoKLfm +CpuOuZeGDI7/oxn3lBfOgUH4dDmtSV/7D9beWLrg8lqMuHva9U3G9RN0n7fv0oiyEDq JiaH52mTnEkq4C7H10LtOeWDRFeu4+qaoxZOuWMEjLwJwet0qA4xlJCLqxDPFcJQqgJY iTjWp0+p8v+e++9/WQNXKdeo+g9/8/IAGY2f/qUJHPwmvm/+TFkGm5XMYQ4h6d6jjRm1 lCo8iB9Y50lsZXBRR+P5nr/JVEjOnl2OdGE+0X6yrWnuGb43flHOB9CSbmtTBtue2V6r zWlg== MIME-Version: 1.0 From: todd reynolds Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 09:56:28 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: any loopers in Austin? To: "Looper's Delight" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4efe2b54b132bc04bf4a69e1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 13:57:10 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4efe2b54b132bc04bf4a69e1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Would be happy to say hi if there are! I'm down here in Austin performing this: http://fuseboxfestival.com/ohana/todd-reynolds-free-range-art and this: http://fuseboxfestival.com/ohana/todd-reynolds-w-golden-hornet-project whole lotta loopin' goin on in these performances... --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =95 *The Best Classical Music of the Year, 2011* - Amazon.com =95 Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now available wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D http://toddreynolds.com http://twitter.com/digifiddler --e0cb4efe2b54b132bc04bf4a69e1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Would be happy to say hi if there are!=A0

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--e0cb4efe2b54b132bc04bf4a69e1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 5 14:07:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B079E183464; Sat, 5 May 2012 14:07:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Sat, 05 May 2012 16:07:44 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <4FA3F835.3010502@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <20120505140744.284060@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20120428164342.11170@gmx.net> <4F9EFE00.5040809@tiscali.co.uk> <20120504055653.57320@gmx.net> <4FA3F835.3010502@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: RC-2 to PA needs DI box? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+VjOlFz02VxLdO2m8TRQbCGw4ROTCTzjU5LYqQpU U0yUZGR4l9QO5JaLMm/wPoY1crT3gveN+tmw== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: Z1HXb5IPeSEqUch4kHUhP0J+IGRvb0D0 Resent-Message-ID: <-nWf9D.A.CKE.zQTpPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 14:07:47 +0000 (UTC) > Another thing to bear in mind is that if you have a DI box on your > gear list the pa engineer will be happier. > If you don't, he may blame any poor sound you get on lack of DI, > even if that isn't the case. Very wise ;-) -- NEU: FreePhone 3-fach-Flat mit kostenlosem Smartphone! Jetzt informieren: http://mobile.1und1.de/?ac=OM.PW.PW003K20328T7073a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 5 14:40:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A8B318345D; Sat, 5 May 2012 14:40:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=M469gcPUTS/yv6Fckv97LlAymJUP6oOA5e0MFN1grqg=; b=yBRpmCQ/6QWksWwrXspR3DXGqwRynZG9K6vup39nfUb0yjAE+jeZfB5W3G3MUJn/Bh 0oFWIJMw9qTaTZqZXCBdJBz+ttfzxFNDRfqEa95Zxoe3mSdaqJMNCFZXy+Iet7Zl/X1M 9A3R4bGeLvU07tlksyCdHNXlFR8H+PVos6zy7ImhY7X1aw7O6PgSAegtS2eGwax74Kxm rEFAD5O6U6pHRcj8bGc74XqsyKMCqWSHNi3m/lZd5Y5O61jVAkebeygsT/27x7yRqjZS HMsgPhKdPCzlOh89a2XSpLFcNAzfqiU23/FxcB3GQyRtxdEy413OYIghb3gDuXTYrWB1 5/Uw== Subject: Re: Echoloop Behavior Question #1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: <3C163504-471E-4594-8CCF-F0BBF590CF10@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 07:39:58 -0700 Cc: Matthias Grob , andy butler Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8E44CBFA-CF0A-4B1E-8DBC-5E4387FC8F74@gmail.com> References: <3C163504-471E-4594-8CCF-F0BBF590CF10@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 14:40:04 +0000 (UTC) Matthias and Andy will be looking at this, gonna follow up in direct = email :) On May 4, 2012, at 6:36 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: >=20 > I have been observing this behavior using Echoloop in Ableton over the = last month or so...=20 >=20 > 1. Make a loop. >=20 > 2. CopySnd to NextLoop >=20 > 3. Develop that material >=20 > - - >=20 > Over a bit of time, as I add material via Overdub or QuantSusOverdub, = the original material sometimes gets faded back pretty severely... such = that when I move back to the previous Loop, the volume jump back to the = original can be pretty harsh... it's almost as if, with the second loop, = Feedback is set to, say, 110 or so (though it is most definitely not). >=20 > I would perhaps expect this behavior with really dense loops, packed = full of frequencies and amplitudes... but this seems to happen even with = sparse loops. >=20 > This does not happen every time, but once or twice a night on = average... over a 2-4 hour session. >=20 > - - >=20 > For that matter, occasionally the VST seems to get stuck in a = 'feedback at less than 127' mode, where, regardless of the actual 127 = state of Feedback in the VST, my loop fades towards nothing without my = telling it to do so :) >=20 > Are these known bugs ? Anyone else experiencing this?=20 >=20 > Phil :) >=20 > p.s. Andy, Matthias, do you guys want bug reports, and if so, would = you prefer them to be addressed to you directly? I have found only one = other real bug, plus one funny but consistent behavioral curiosity; I = must say overall this VST is very stable and runs beautifully 99% of the = time... for me... >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 5 14:42:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C558183464; Sat, 5 May 2012 14:42:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=dYO9uUn9uzBGqwDGN6nNK4DJJ+vjdo1UfneHaetSPgI=; b=dExNMXb1+cG/pJ0eD/0JT53v1U2kszMWSxuUr566/YcaERRGQLHk2t5JFWAWPs5D1M TrZwoocrLTaNH8Y2CKyguIg2mwTfhC8GAXGH3nfxO6aqVrGqXhYm8jf8CBGdceqtcoHe jLfV828w6DQHUIWGhsiM/a3BNkJR3y+vV7DKAqvnP9APaXLkpFeJb7Z/d/azwNYE8k+k 1ifFNxGWSb1EoxFIsaEHI+KEi501qTE809A2XrPAIFixIRo1GmHimv00KkqnEYVTpQsa YtuUagqsZD+d4UXdJuaD7NLSTMgSag6XDnI8HMbcVCNN8wpsI4bqstzNjSPZFH9F9myh FzHQ== Subject: Re: Echoloop Behavior Question #2 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: <344D72E3-1B47-4607-9D8D-B7857935D6AA@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 07:42:29 -0700 Cc: Matthias Grob , andy butler Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <344D72E3-1B47-4607-9D8D-B7857935D6AA@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 14:42:34 +0000 (UTC) I fixed this by abandoning my 'fxb' file (saved VST bank presets file) = and reverting to VST default. Still not sure what happened to corrupt = the 'fxb' file, but at least this is a workaround :) On May 4, 2012, at 6:44 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > Another Echoloop question: >=20 > Been happily using this VST for hours each night for the last couple = of months. >=20 > Recently, the "Quantize" menu began occasionally to stop working = properly, whether operated manually or via remote switch. >=20 > By that I mean, "Off" works as expected, but "Subcycle" and "Loop" = also act like "Off," while "Cycle" acts like "Loop." (I may have Cycle = and Subcycle mixed up here, but you get the point) >=20 > When that first started, it was only occasional, and I could fix it = only by restarting Ableton. Last night it happened twice in one evening, = and this afternoon, it has happened three or four times already and now = restarting Ableton will not fix it. >=20 > Has something corrupted? >=20 > Phil :) >=20 > p.s. I am using Quantize to moderate Overdub and Substitute, in Sus = mode. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 6 00:45:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05E95183460; Sun, 6 May 2012 00:45:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 02:45:05 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" Message-ID: <20120506004505.128800@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Why NOT Looping has been good for me. To: "LD LoopersDelight" X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18Pe3dCZCcPo+6Wec5xqIxIkwyOjbXmgQ5ojHxz+V y9oTSdRocznuOS1ggmJFiKwFKjbyxhVrgCWw== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: xqzXbzRTeSEqZMh4kHUho/t+IGRvb0AQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 00:45:09 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks the last ca. 1,5 years, I haven't been very active on LD - and also, I haven't been looping much. Well, all I can say is that NOT looping has actually been a very good experience for me. So, I'd like to share a few details: - 1. First of all, I have played much more often together with other people. Compared to making music happen together with real people, looping by myself was more of an autistic experience - a lot of fun, but mostly self-serving. - 2. I actually get to practice my real instruments more thoroughly. Instead of i.e. looping overdubs, it can be more challenging to actually try to play polyphonic etc. - 3. I actually spend more time with real music. Not with technical looping gear details but with simply directly playing music and immersing into music. So, to sum it up, without live looping it has been: more real people, more real instruments, more real music. Now, don't get me wrong. You don't need to explain me the benefits - or actually the sheer love - of live looping. To bring in another perspective, the "Love" of live looping may have been lost for me for one of the following reasons in the recent years: - A. Switching from hardware looper to software looping: I used to enjoy so much switching my Mackie mixer and the RC-50... With software, I've spent so much time debugging problems, configuring applications, coding scripts... - B. Moving from stereo to mono: I told myself that I don't really need stereo and could save on the CPU performance. But before, it was so much fun panning the different loops on the "stereo canvas" or spreading a loop wide with reverb and pan delay... - C. Removing foot pedals with desktop midi controllers: I convinced myself that I could get rid of footcontrollers (and I actually did). A midi controller on the table does usually have more buttons, slides etc. and offers more parameters. But there is a certain fluidity & joy to foot pedals... That being said, I've reluctantly picked up live looping again, but with a more relaxed approach. So, for now, I'm actually quite happy with some very basic live looping on an RC-2 pedal... Just wanted to share these thoughts with you. Best regards Buzap PS: Maybe the best part of the live looping experience has been this forum actually :-) -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 6 01:27:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25F4C183473; Sun, 6 May 2012 01:27:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bMWoowZ0m+O5waXnCUiKciybPvXZ8KigFZRnEgKcfL8=; b=PWaoajZ9SZqmDsevQhMjEEP29nl3+k7O3Xdw8c7p4CnrgrtEjNhp+d9DdYOe6n0a6y yAt/Zn2lcBFRAdqWPMPM+k4YgPKi4hrtTAmYCt6NlZngJgo1hba9J/NbtgOVvPIU+PPm 9bVx7Vc0QON4LeqogaPFUeBJdze4xY5FsErJ77XMXCk5ea/crw96Icnd0AdSj3T6aXWw MdX1Tziuxb7Aic2C799W0wBUkkpEniQ/mO4opD1U4lAwXMuTc7VYAA6o2w+jjLaX2EoM +dU/Y+3hcFD3m6hF8QPHLdM89s38/wsNyH55DD5oq73/8iAxcVt6I09OqSbEs3JU6r/Q dUQw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120506004505.128800@gmx.net> References: <20120506004505.128800@gmx.net> Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 18:27:12 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Why NOT Looping has been good for me. From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 01:27:13 +0000 (UTC) > > PS: Maybe the best part of the live looping experience has been this foru= m actually :-) > -- I'll second that sentiment. Kevin --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 6 07:54:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81FA9183473; Sun, 6 May 2012 07:54:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=m8NWdvSK6NN9B80Qc1faW2vSPZktSUJfANsC18ezdKo=; b=wegC2yH+mNqyREnWyWQ6BvQ1/2ZgCtnVJkKnYI8LmkKo8krZI/A9rSONEleYchjSIi 2oTqT9f3U2rOwBEVvz9mxJgAegAFYaKRb3F+x2NDjk/BFx8IGk1XKzlHQ5ARpHSEZhT+ 4O3SwKx+yHG233i+Gc6nO6xxFus6msDz/KzvbBm8u/bOfTyXNxsnm9EUkvQx8itrMTts ca0WGhl20PCs7pubQya+73tR2XoX3WgMwGxayLFon3O2tpuk5OgauYhJu5RThLGvLWHO uzLN0OopPLE5srBSoQoo4RA/xa1IfsacmeNgRzXGR42pNlS+QB0zmYT7ka/bNJt1LXIF NCBw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <20120506004505.128800@gmx.net> From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 09:54:28 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ftX0veCePBMBcu05AodHvC00Hac Message-ID: Subject: Re: Why NOT Looping has been good for me. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04088cc9bdbbdb04bf59771e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 07:54:50 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04088cc9bdbbdb04bf59771e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Although I am totally addicted to Live Looping, I also do a few other types of music, namely composed music, on a DAW, Synth music on a modular synth, and very occasionally.. an electric guitar into a loud amp with a fuzz pedal. I also have been tempted by the software side, but luckily never got rid of the hardware. And aprat from the infrenal cable/hiss/hum problems, I still find it more rewarding that software, for the reasons you mentioned. Live Looping is a bit like World of Warcraft, or Cocaine... OK in small doses, but once you are hooked... well you you might consider going out more... there is another world, just outside... and its not as frightening as it may seem, and it has pizza, and beer... mark On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 3:27 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > > > > PS: Maybe the best part of the live looping experience has been this > forum actually :-) > > -- > > I'll second that sentiment. > > Kevin > > > > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d04088cc9bdbbdb04bf59771e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Although I am totally addicted to Live Looping, I also do a few other types= of music, namely composed music, on a DAW, Synth music on a modular synth,= and very occasionally.. an electric guitar into a loud amp with a fuzz ped= al.

I also have been tempted by the software side, but luckily never got ri= d of the hardware. And aprat from the infrenal cable/hiss/hum problems, I s= till find it more rewarding that software, for the reasons you mentioned.
Live Looping is a bit like World of Warcraft, or Cocaine... OK in small= doses, but once you are hooked... well you you might consider going out mo= re... there is another world, just outside... and its not as frightening as= it may seem, and it has pizza, and beer...

mark




On Sun, May 6, 2012 = at 3:27 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com> wr= ote:
>
> PS: Maybe the best part of the live looping experience has been this f= orum actually :-)
> --

I'll second that sentiment.

Kevin




--
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.<= br>
- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org
Video = http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos




--
= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--f46d04088cc9bdbbdb04bf59771e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 6 08:21:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA18B183474; Sun, 6 May 2012 08:21:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 10:21:10 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20120506082110.39760@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20120506004505.128800@gmx.net> Subject: Re: Why NOT Looping has been good for me. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+rC0VwTeero7w4K0Kt+fm3iFs3B/8tUtn2a5M85r 5SNU3KMA4XoDrMnVekmwTmPX8ZB+WLwhShrQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: IVHUb+xueSEqbsh4kHUhqpp+IGRvb4D8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 08:21:13 +0000 (UTC) Hi Mark > Live Looping is a bit like World of Warcraft, or Cocaine... OK in small > doses, but once you are hooked... well you you might consider going out > more... there is another world, just outside... and its not as frightening > as it may seem, and it has pizza, and beer... LOL... yes there is something to it! ;-) best regards Buzap -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 6 08:27:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6516183463; Sun, 6 May 2012 08:27:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Fmlt0g8dy75a3fXE+yw0iZj0xr3zEawh/USum/0xCjc=; b=dOc+sTsOuUmKVl1WJmv2EVrRYNdzj28EOOCk3xSdcm/Ppg7mJXq9wKlWlNH3uw871C E5fNhqgdTg7iR3PlAszezr9U5gcCMQ41QIDq8x+h4ZnpWbDR2g3C70nNY9AsLwyHUgmv t8IzxTp/J3Vf9lTqpqchpbrZMWSbp9EEUFD49Ixu2Z+zpIyFBA8f+3q+l7/LjY9udAVr 32QlCehA9Uj6rJAOtnDBRQz0Q0YDn50iJ8sDX6XS60RjhatvbiiM9yDe5oSAmzB15SNt uiNy5ZY+0/71xHpe5lDPM6e+Q57tKyJmkve1SgtoO6B3Q3uTQ1UnqNWClAsSBTPkNQNv CLhQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120506004505.128800@gmx.net> References: <20120506004505.128800@gmx.net> Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 10:27:38 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Why NOT Looping has been good for me. From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 08:27:39 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > 1,5 years "Not looping" has been good for me too. Although I tend to use looping more like an instrument (rather than a recorder to overdub and clone yourself) I have been missing to be able to work dynamically with tempo when looping. So that's what I've been doing a lot during the last 1,5 years. Funny that my phase coincide with yours BTW ;-) In the past my reason for looping was to get more contrapunct powers live, the same reason I now like the Stick so much (or any other multitasking-friendly instrument). When I was using only guitar, or later on the flute, the looper made it possible to perform two part stuff by first laying down one part and then play the other part, but with the Stick I simply play both parts at once and more rapidly get to the point. Plus the extra bonus of instant ritartando/accelerando options. My focus of looping has shifted. Now the base is playing instrument and electronics while I use looping here and there to spice it up or like "a soloist in a big band". I'm finding an exciting freedom in this new concept. I agree with Buzzie that playing with other musicians is fun. Makes it much easier to come up with good music compared to solo playing. But hey - you can loop in an ensemble as well! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 6 14:15:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97DD6183462; Sun, 6 May 2012 14:15:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=UBdA26qm+5ZysaClb1aqyW2fwfrAPaPRkxVMt5q4+uM=; b=K4+3fuCg8ChTcCZqvmUMV8ly+VonWOSc8wkBvTD+9EkQClAUd5+B2T35ZvJS2bpQwf GojrdGe7MoFTv8WbsIWB5IHN3WLiMgI9ijegavyasccl10BlEz2PnXvmaHJP762ZbQ5+ pUuqZk3fhG0PEJ95qPlTwiRCKScQCav3mZ3xaK+bjzKPax2IxM5hVQ7fobdPb5sMZaQ2 mn8VS6fchYYwOeiqPgGJYJinIvNtxvDROVs3tNZUS5X0cfQAigctyuH/LtgqD/Utt60x N9OZEaGfN/fcTahSnsCys9tzhc8049Uyl6fDP8VanKmCTjcYGvwwOtbdB59T4fj9KMfF 7k3g== Subject: Re: Why NOT Looping has been good for me. References: <20120506004505.128800@gmx.net> From: Todd Matthews Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B176) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 10:15:38 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 14:15:39 +0000 (UTC) I love the timing of your post buzap! Very interesting thoughts and im glad y= ou decided to share. I just joined a band last week and it was blast because= I have only looped(mostly in room) or played classical music gigs for the p= ast four years. Then the past year ive been working on an all bass album(non= looping, multitracked) but it gets pretty lonely recording 12 hour days by y= ourself. It was a lot of fun to be creative with a few other people versus d= ealing with all the computer issues solo and it satifies my need to be a soc= ial creature. I agree wholeheartedly with you mark about the addiction:) for= me it's with software looping. There's no going back to hardware for me but= I hate/love it. Todd Matthews On May 6, 2012, at 4:27 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: >> 1,5 years >=20 >=20 > "Not looping" has been good for me too. >=20 > Although I tend to use looping more like an instrument (rather than a > recorder to overdub and clone yourself) I have been missing to be able > to work dynamically with tempo when looping. So that's what I've been > doing a lot during the last 1,5 years. Funny that my phase coincide > with yours BTW ;-) >=20 > In the past my reason for looping was to get more contrapunct powers > live, the same reason I now like the Stick so much (or any other > multitasking-friendly instrument). When I was using only guitar, or > later on the flute, the looper made it possible to perform two part > stuff by first laying down one part and then play the other part, but > with the Stick I simply play both parts at once and more rapidly get > to the point. Plus the extra bonus of instant ritartando/accelerando > options. >=20 > My focus of looping has shifted. Now the base is playing instrument > and electronics while I use looping here and there to spice it up or > like "a soloist in a big band". I'm finding an exciting freedom in > this new concept. >=20 > I agree with Buzzie that playing with other musicians is fun. Makes it > much easier to come up with good music compared to solo playing. But > hey - you can loop in an ensemble as well! >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 6 15:17:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A35C183464; Sun, 6 May 2012 15:17:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2053695584==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120506151738.19739.11019.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 11:17:38 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: looping in Michigan Resent-Message-ID: <04tLnC.A.1FH.SYppPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 15:17:38 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============2053695584== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello!=20I'm=20just=20wondering=20if=20any=20of=20you=20loopers=20are=20fro= m=20Michigan.=20Because=20I'm=20from=20Michigan,=20and=20 I'd=20LOVE=20to=20go=20to=20a=20loop=20festival. Tyler=20Z --===============2053695584==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 6 20:49:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C798183461; Sun, 6 May 2012 20:49:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 16:37:08 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Doctor T with Kevin Frenette Quartet, Outpost 186 Saturday May 12 Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, Frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 20:49:16 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, Visual Music LIVE continues at Outpost 186 in Cambridge on Saturday at 8 PM. -- I'll be doing video improvisations with the Kevin Frenette Quartet -- four outstanding musicians led by a unique guitarist. Doctor T -- Video with The Kevin Frenette Quartet Kevin Frenette - guitar James Rohr - piano Kit Demos - bass and electronics John McLellan - drums My projections are produced by mixing multiple DVD sources with a video mixer and effects processor. The sources consist of computer-manipulated original material derived from my still photography and videography. The original subject matter is usually recognizable, but sometimes processed to complete abstraction. Sometimes the projections and music respond directly to each other -- sometimes they simply co-exist. Outpost 186, 186 Hampshire St (in the back), near Inman Square, Cambridge MA Suggested donation, $10 617.876.0860 ~ all ages ~ http://www.zeitgeist-outpost.org Many of my finished video pieces (both studio and live) can be seen at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld. Those of you who attend or perform at events at Outpost 186 may find my photo essay "Improvisations from an Outpost" http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/sets/72157624670849749/ to be of interest, -- "I rang a silent bell ..." -- Robert Hunter "... cast your dancing spell my way, I promise to go under it" -- Bob Dylan My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 6 21:07:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D6C0183462; Sun, 6 May 2012 21:07:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <20120506004505.128800@gmx.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why NOT Looping has been good for me. In-Reply-To: <20120506004505.128800@gmx.net> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: michael klobuchar X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CEF9E3504E2ADF_890_4D5F4_webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36049-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CEF9E3504BC97F-890-12F26@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [151.201.28.38] Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 17:07:00 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336338421; bh=Nx1Dqk5CYMUq8SRX2hgwBobLbDEsxF5XlM5tv1tSTy4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QUloqwguE11JDluqLoNMEpXn7E0PeJJxsXqXsgUsxHm7liaU7qRCwcHOIcGHXrdFH iLqkanMmvGaAaX7m8i8ZFbPvbi6z3XaIVT8T5jdb25RKuliET8mLoS2ZXe4uJSoG97 whUi1GStWJbSE3e7iQSBAV2YMyP6LTKge7OkiPew= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:360785408:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29484fa6e7f428cf Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 21:07:11 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CEF9E3504E2ADF_890_4D5F4_webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" BUZZY SEZ: So, to sum it up, without live looping it has been: more real people, more = real=20 instruments, more real music. real people do not like me, i prefer my fantasy friends, they don't hit me = back.....i think my instruments are real.....and you are right, i have heard some unreal looping in my daze.....welcome back to the fold! =20 ----------MB_8CEF9E3504E2ADF_890_4D5F4_webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" BUZZY SEZ:
So, to sum it up, without live looping it has been: more real people= , more real=20 instruments, more real music.

real people do not like me, i p= refer my fantasy friends, they don't hit me back.....i think my instruments= are real.....and you are right,

i have heard some unreal l= ooping in my daze.....welcome back to the fold!
----------MB_8CEF9E3504E2ADF_890_4D5F4_webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 6 21:16:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A229183465; Sun, 6 May 2012 21:16:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=BQHTWSgl0VZ92QpvBT/c0BNQKYLT27NW+k6+ruB6STM=; b=a4WaZJf8/Oh1jd1iGyQ76Lzbb6dAdNj8kgZogkV6xmZjpQP6OPQAmLXflbIqu03UoF 2kagkpQfOCM2scY2e0+iRzweZyiAohB8rwSXeI8YHYYAQ/Z4Hw2BcO/5km1NUrMwP43L x6j45jZSEQjVNGkUZmXJ+yPzlM8N0MvbQd1vdom9FAt0cktIby3ZlYFe7enFUlqVyFF3 oPiJxV37V3GF5KPn1xw4qCB5CtS8o9kK5GVxH/CUFDp5ziHQC0i3m2cWl2dihyZ8b8ai HYflZIELvHz0bp3KA9A20WlpXb2LxAsI9MMVvrAu54seb7RKPZu/zEY6+LmUFmo1aih4 dMwQ== Message-ID: <4CA5213F5403445592C2F7147929B4C6@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Boise Creative & Improvised Music Festival" To: References: <20120506004505.128800@gmx.net> <8CEF9E3504BC97F-890-12F26@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CEF9E3504BC97F-890-12F26@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: Why NOT Looping has been good for me. Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 15:16:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 21:16:20 +0000 (UTC) *** BUZZY SEZ: So, to sum it up, without live looping it has been: more real people, more real instruments, more real music. *** This is a personal choice, of course, not an absolute statement about the nature of live looping. Sorry, I’m coming into this conversation late and just about ready to get outside and play in the “real†world on my non-virtual dirt bike. For me, looping is just a tool, a tool that can be used solo, in larger ensembles where everyone is synced, with or without “real†instruments, with or without real people.Regardless, the music is real. Everything is real, even hallucinations. I can't recall ever having a fake hallucination, or playing with a fake instruments or fake person for that matter. LOL K- www.krispenhartung.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 7 07:06:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5B47183463; Mon, 7 May 2012 07:06:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 09:06:06 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <4CA5213F5403445592C2F7147929B4C6@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <20120507070606.180110@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20120506004505.128800@gmx.net> <8CEF9E3504BC97F-890-12F26@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> <4CA5213F5403445592C2F7147929B4C6@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Why NOT Looping has been good for me. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/EH1xnVXbEw4hxeXi0x+9f4KyAskob4V3ZbpYxLh xtDTPMuIJhUR4maRN0VdcW9DEmbQFAGHgWVQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: CRHVbz8neSEqRsh4kHUhMWl+IGRvb4C6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 07:06:10 +0000 (UTC) I guess the looping experience isn't "unreal". But it's a bit like the whole social life in the Web 2.0 era: We don't hang out with friends anymore, we socialize on the internet with "virtual friends". Likewise, we perform "virtual music" by ourselves - even with virtual instruments! Krispen: I have actually also thought of you. If I remember right, you did turn your back on the whole looping thing and just went out playing guitar, right? Buzap -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 7 08:03:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6930183462; Mon, 7 May 2012 08:03:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=m6v2d7ZkPj8z7xLC8eb3kO6ueNTnKCCGF1sK4jkUjIo=; b=JSgzEEhrYtJK7lxv8OscU38r+ZT0Q4lfxr7zXfcX5A0RmIFTEqM/SovL45CmoykPJ2 FuHSfzlLxzGYlm4Rh5TJJqEUqpu6kDwM7CCKikF9Nz5oNvnI4+vh3Gi9tU4istOfqBX6 WMi3EUuhZejunODkBKsVdE+YmqUrvs6nvoA2I52R3cIGS+rzYt53H6yff5z+VjB1bPJT bx8onGTJHYVy9kEN3kQspv7TTgUvJ31fGjZmorld1ct7WsTfrowhlXu4V4kfgYU6b/jd ZhiRV21yadlk1Gbf63eMMcKrE7rFgvCEGPCtQIdJJy29nK+pu3ZhF4+lL7RY0F1jpUa+ OIbg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120507070606.180110@gmx.net> References: <20120506004505.128800@gmx.net> <8CEF9E3504BC97F-890-12F26@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> <4CA5213F5403445592C2F7147929B4C6@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20120507070606.180110@gmx.net> Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 10:03:41 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Why NOT Looping has been good for me. From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 08:03:42 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > "virtual music" That's a funny expression since music actually IS virtual, IMHO. When you saying, like Kris is, that "music is real" you don't mean the sound of it but the content that the music is used to communicate. "Music" isn't more "real" than "language" is real. The tool to seems virtual - as it is replaceable - while the content remains the sam because it is real. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 7 10:09:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C675C183462; Mon, 7 May 2012 10:09:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Carsten Wegener Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Distortion problem Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 12:09:52 +0200 Message-Id: <67DB61C7-5078-45D2-AE8F-D92AF82381E1@tyfoo.de> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 10:09:54 +0000 (UTC) I have a distortion problem. When I play my instrument, I set the input = level, so that the light never turns red or even orange. If I then record the loop, I can already see during the recording, that = the feedback is turning red/orange sometimes and so parts of my loop are = distorted. I can help this by turning down the feedback level after recording or by = setting the input level lower and turn up the output. But I think there must be way to find the right level just with the = input indicator light without guessing what might come out after = recording. That=B4s a very unprecise method. I read the manual again, but couldn=B4t find anything helpful. Did I = overlook something again? Do you have any suggestions?=20 Carsten= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 7 11:12:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93DB0183461; Mon, 7 May 2012 11:12:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 918 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 07 May 2012 11:12:20 UTC X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A0B0209.4FA7AA7D.0096,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-libjamoibt: 1821 Message-ID: <17989930.5835041336388221202.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 12:57:01 +0200 (CEST) From: Massimo Liverani Reply-To: Massimo Liverani To: Subject: R: Why NOT Looping has been good for me. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SenderIP: 85.47.237.138 X-libjamv: uOz1V/sG0X8= X-libjamsun: d5q37TpxeVWoB45O6lw7LrMVKB1fAP37 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 11:12:20 +0000 (UTC) HI, Id like to answer your questions and give my little tribute to the discussion: >- 1. First of all, I have played much more often together with other people. Compared to making music happen together with real people, looping by myself was more of an autistic experience - a lot of fun, but mostly self-serving. It's possibile to loop with other people, and to enjoy very much doing it! we have done it for years with 2-3-4-5-6... musicians and i'm doing it by now. I consider it a more interesting way to use live looping, more relaxed and more discreet. >- 2. I actually get to practice my real instruments more thoroughly. Instead of i.e. looping overdubs, it can be more challenging to actually try to play polyphonic etc. True, I agree with you >- 3. I actually spend more time with real music. Not with technical looping gear details but with simply directly playing music and immersing into music. I think that The important thing is not to have a too immersive tecnical approach, but more relaxed end more improv, for me i think that is also importat to use simple gears and simple apporach without t doing diffccoult sincronism etc etc. excuse me for mistakes and my poor english. Massimo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 7 11:14:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7DDB183463; Mon, 7 May 2012 11:14:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1336389285; bh=0/mMy8us+XLtH/ROCR/43en6wlr/IsXeJ2XBRPaEyDY=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Date:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer; b=SuxY/2SBpDTlMYJOe7qu4nvcGFqfON9geZGhEcRBV+VFHgJh+KEnTisovCV+e4FmwcBdzp/E/3inGWG3lBh23A1roGOs09ysLJflKku4SrHvTp39L62RY+lcKkGD5H8VEff5XVwtylsllgiCvZuqzHn5pQzqutzrGmXnvwtlMyk= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 135393.95435.bm@smtp126.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: e.i15h0VM1kLFZe48tvRzFCVE0yfFMKy2uekafubd6lpE4t .RkrEOaejvRWhuPAAGcQqc8ivksbL3AKaRA66k.Zgg1tLQAgM7BKSuwr8t4l uwjfI1iGpNhV74QfQQ5taZ5ZY0xbuh24NPd.sL0osGb9G9VS03YOf_kbP4U7 Ehg8C4hGdgQ0eKbyX1Kf.hHizHFyHmqYfeDp9Qk1Hk2g7cr4Uz8hp5my73iE OOfY1PhuMDi6ua43T387a2Yw3oSJX9UcLF7VFyPq2mQKsC6nQuuytpoC0rcs 712x0.HLjWUrTiTUhBeRRyitT6sTeq.x.dNiweDheePR6M7UAnB498RF4XdU SOoxQvtP_rO0dMV_GsErSJar3_hG5VEsc.n5ubIByIanTi5OFaxKjLpHdBVF 9zG9i X-Yahoo-SMTP: 75CdczOswBChen.W3AbLhaW8TlC96TVo5w-- From: Ben To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 13:14:44 +0200 Subject: Re: Distortion problem In-Reply-To: <67DB61C7-5078-45D2-AE8F-D92AF82381E1@tyfoo.de> References: <67DB61C7-5078-45D2-AE8F-D92AF82381E1@tyfoo.de> Message-Id: <20120507131444.6F1A88D0.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: nPOPuk Ver 2.16 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 11:14:46 +0000 (UTC) Hello Carsten, Which looper do you use=3F an EDP=3F Have you tried to put a compressor before your input=3F It may help. Ben. -------------------------------------------------- Carsten Wegener wrote: (07/05/2012 12:09) > I have a distortion problem. When I play my instrument, I set the input l= evel, so that the light never turns red or even orange. > If I then record the loop, I can already see during the recording, that t= he feedback is turning red/orange sometimes and so parts of my loop are dis= torted. > I can help this by turning down the feedback level after recording or by = setting the input level lower and turn up the output. > But I think there must be way to find the right level just with the input= indicator light without guessing what might come out after recording. That= =C2=B4s a very unprecise method. > I read the manual again, but couldn=C2=B4t find anything helpful. Did I o= verlook something again=3F > Do you have any suggestions=3F=20 >=20 > Carsten From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 7 11:23:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23491183465; Mon, 7 May 2012 11:23:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Distortion problem From: Carsten Wegener In-Reply-To: <67DB61C7-5078-45D2-AE8F-D92AF82381E1@tyfoo.de> Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 13:23:00 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <67DB61C7-5078-45D2-AE8F-D92AF82381E1@tyfoo.de> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 11:23:02 +0000 (UTC) I did some more experiments and I don=B4t understand it at all: The distortion-problem I described appeared at the following knob = positions: Input 10 o=B4clock, output 9 o=B4clock=3Dgreen Input light = but, output distorted Now I changed the positions to: Input 8,5 o=B4clock, output 2 o=B4clock. = In this combination I have no distortion, though the Input Indicator is = mostly orange.=20 I don=B4t understand how these knobs interact. Can someone explain me = that? Am 07.05.2012 um 12:09 schrieb Carsten Wegener: > I have a distortion problem. When I play my instrument, I set the = input level, so that the light never turns red or even orange. > If I then record the loop, I can already see during the recording, = that the feedback is turning red/orange sometimes and so parts of my = loop are distorted. > I can help this by turning down the feedback level after recording or = by setting the input level lower and turn up the output. > But I think there must be way to find the right level just with the = input indicator light without guessing what might come out after = recording. That=B4s a very unprecise method. > I read the manual again, but couldn=B4t find anything helpful. Did I = overlook something again? > Do you have any suggestions?=20 >=20 > Carsten From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 7 11:24:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03B69183462; Mon, 7 May 2012 11:24:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Distortion problem From: Carsten Wegener In-Reply-To: <20120507131444.6F1A88D0.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 13:24:55 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <67DB61C7-5078-45D2-AE8F-D92AF82381E1@tyfoo.de> <20120507131444.6F1A88D0.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 11:24:56 +0000 (UTC) Hello Ben, I use an EDP with loop 4. I think it=B4s not a problem of the level = before the echoplex but of the setting of the input and output level. Am 07.05.2012 um 13:14 schrieb Ben: > Hello Carsten, >=20 > Which looper do you use? an EDP? > Have you tried to put a compressor before your input? It may help. >=20 > Ben. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -------------------------------------------------- > Carsten Wegener wrote: > (07/05/2012 12:09) >=20 >> I have a distortion problem. When I play my instrument, I set the = input level, so that the light never turns red or even orange. >> If I then record the loop, I can already see during the recording, = that the feedback is turning red/orange sometimes and so parts of my = loop are distorted. >> I can help this by turning down the feedback level after recording or = by setting the input level lower and turn up the output. >> But I think there must be way to find the right level just with the = input indicator light without guessing what might come out after = recording. That=B4s a very unprecise method. >> I read the manual again, but couldn=B4t find anything helpful. Did I = overlook something again? >> Do you have any suggestions?=20 >>=20 >> Carsten From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 7 12:30:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B23CC183462; Mon, 7 May 2012 12:30:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 14:30:30 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <17989930.5835041336388221202.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Message-ID: <20120507123030.47720@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <17989930.5835041336388221202.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Subject: Re: Why NOT Looping has been good for me. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+4zwc//Re4G3/YU2VLV40hTFiyrMnVffNDYZhnW/ 7NESeOTaHemYSvpdxrLqukvcQsRZgvdxhi2A== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: MaXVb8BzeSEqW8h4kHUhKXl+IGRvb0DN Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 12:30:32 +0000 (UTC) Masssimo: > I think that The important thing is not to have a too immersive tecnical > approach, but more relaxed end more improv Fully agree with that! Personally, maybe I'm more in danger of loosing myself in technical detail... Per: Philosophically or sematically, we could discuss about "virtual" or "real" music. I don't have better word for it. What I mean is: Yes, it is all music. But somewhat, there seems to be a difference between i.e. singing in an acapella group or configuring a VST-plugin at home by myself. I wouldn't even call one "good" or the other "bad". Let's just say, what I need right now in my life is playing more with people and worrying less about the technical details... best regards Buzap -- NEU: FreePhone 3-fach-Flat mit kostenlosem Smartphone! Jetzt informieren: http://mobile.1und1.de/?ac=OM.PW.PW003K20328T7073a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 7 13:11:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C19B9183464; Mon, 7 May 2012 13:11:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:x-priority:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=h8WWGmiIoPMDOjiKALvcY6TDmR78Kq6pN3bBjgF9xYA=; b=ks2op0kRq0Uwp7tbtyk7btukEBw1ziARw6fBYS/0ALmBvhvbnjUxIMTqzM2hCrEXQE 18GnUx5e9uplPhgrv3HaVnC9ory7sAh5tk0Kbbcuq6BhFY+lcd+8dpj3airTawFv/vI4 jDN8aZiVrDGUxjwpKqC2gat66xZvp7lS6VEVdtHx1U5yN+v/u+39avaw6mWRyoIw9itW ca2yl9jHZezxq4CUNBt9Lb8M3gGJt/UIK3aozFn2RlWp2PRTRAWNnMJRiZiGTwLvsavP /CWVJ/8ArVJ8FcZgOuVyeS5eBTH+0XfFGatbOOW6wc7D0H5pwWOSOc4/oKcsWcwRZ4WQ tbJQ== Subject: Re: Why NOT Looping has been good for me. Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: philip X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <20120507123030.47720@gmx.net> Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 22:11:03 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <17989930.5835041336388221202.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <20120507123030.47720@gmx.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 13:11:41 +0000 (UTC) Looper's Twilight?!? ;-) Playing in a band, playing and singing with just a guitar and my voice, = and looping live or in the privacy of my studio all fulfill different = needs. I get something different out of each of them and I enjoy each = more or less depending on things like what other musicians I have to = play with, venues where I can perform and how I am feeling. On May 7, 2012, at 9:30 PM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > Masssimo: >> I think that The important thing is not to have a too immersive = tecnical=20 >> approach, but more relaxed end more improv > Fully agree with that! Personally, maybe I'm more in danger of loosing = myself in technical detail... >=20 > Per: > Philosophically or sematically, we could discuss about "virtual" or = "real" music. I don't have better word for it. > What I mean is: Yes, it is all music. But somewhat, there seems to be = a difference between i.e. singing in an acapella group or configuring a = VST-plugin at home by myself. > I wouldn't even call one "good" or the other "bad". Let's just say, = what I need right now in my life is playing more with people and = worrying less about the technical details... >=20 > best regards > Buzap >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > NEU: FreePhone 3-fach-Flat mit kostenlosem Smartphone! = =20 > Jetzt informieren: http://mobile.1und1.de/?ac=3DOM.PW.PW003K20328T7073a >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 7 13:38:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E482183463; Mon, 7 May 2012 13:38:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_7b660cff-e6df-4cc9-890e-c55f7ebe290e_" X-Originating-IP: [62.7.183.6] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: Why Looping has been good for me. Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 13:38:05 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <17989930.5835041336388221202.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <20120507123030.47720@gmx.net>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2012 13:38:05.0820 (UTC) FILETIME=[A1DF7BC0:01CD2C56] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 13:38:07 +0000 (UTC) --_7b660cff-e6df-4cc9-890e-c55f7ebe290e_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well=2C the things looping allows me to do can't be done by having other mu= sicians to play with. I'm interested in layering sound textures with the ea= rliest layers falling away in a sort of multi-level=2C sonic stratification= . Being able to steer the music this way and that is for me a deeply satisf= ying process full of spontaneity and creativity. Having said that=2C loopin= g=2C while it is highly empowering=2C really does come with a big responsib= ility=2C looping with another=2C sensitive musician in some ways is even mo= re enjoyable since you then have an increased element of surprise..You migh= t have guessed that I'm not the rhythm=2C bass=2C chords=2C jam type of loo= pist.=20 Peace G Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > Subject: Re: Why NOT Looping has been good for me. > From: philip.ojc@gmail.com > Date: Mon=2C 7 May 2012 22:11:03 +0900 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > Looper's Twilight?!? >=20 > =3B-) >=20 >=20 > Playing in a band=2C playing and singing with just a guitar and my voice= =2C and looping live or in the privacy of my studio all fulfill different n= eeds. I get something different out of each of them and I enjoy each more o= r less depending on things like what other musicians I have to play with=2C= venues where I can perform and how I am feeling. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On May 7=2C 2012=2C at 9:30 PM=2C Buzap Buzap wrote: >=20 > > Masssimo: > >> I think that The important thing is not to have a too immersive tecnic= al=20 > >> approach=2C but more relaxed end more improv > > Fully agree with that! Personally=2C maybe I'm more in danger of loosin= g myself in technical detail... > >=20 > > Per: > > Philosophically or sematically=2C we could discuss about "virtual" or "= real" music. I don't have better word for it. > > What I mean is: Yes=2C it is all music. But somewhat=2C there seems to = be a difference between i.e. singing in an acapella group or configuring a = VST-plugin at home by myself. > > I wouldn't even call one "good" or the other "bad". Let's just say=2C w= hat I need right now in my life is playing more with people and worrying le= ss about the technical details... > >=20 > > best regards > > Buzap > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > --=20 > > NEU: FreePhone 3-fach-Flat mit kostenlosem Smartphone! = =20 > > Jetzt informieren: http://mobile.1und1.de/?ac=3DOM.PW.PW003K20328T7073a > >=20 >=20 = --_7b660cff-e6df-4cc9-890e-c55f7ebe290e_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well=2C the things looping allows me to do can't be done by having other mu= sicians to play with. I'm interested in layering sound textures with the ea= rliest layers falling away in a sort of multi-level=2C sonic stratification= . Being able to steer the music this way and that is for me a deeply satisf= ying process full of spontaneity and creativity. Having said that=2C loopin= g=2C while it is highly empowering=2C really does come with a big responsib= ility=2C looping with another=2C sensitive musician in some ways is even mo= re enjoyable since you then have an increased element of surprise..
You= might have guessed that I'm not the rhythm=2C bass=2C chords=2C jam type o= f loopist. =3B

Peace

= G

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

>=3B Subject: Re: Why NOT Looping has been good = for me.
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= --_7b660cff-e6df-4cc9-890e-c55f7ebe290e_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 7 13:47:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D23DD183461; Mon, 7 May 2012 13:47:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:x-priority:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=8Rfby2fOYxYlvWsQwttrCeDig034rMOLm4Ca/dULz8I=; b=U1DS6mEZ5bZx/0x4KnhPRdeCRXJ9QgxjGEHJopjU1wmTGfCMQPowbNvLmIcRAsi8vb Fv9FzwApGcWJ8Ejg6pY50ukIwErVRmSjmLsDgdW4VPYyEKQYkzU4DlrUD1ePmTnELtRH 9HMAp9BxSfabJdI0W/uHH5cK1q//0uWuZ3wQtSoDpVibPEgVZQflgPj5FfsT9xzSeOtu 0/zXAOm+PvvGynmgmBBfCVBuwd1QgirN/IlPqDhZY/1oJJLWcnaoxcHbIwToJ7G9Q+IV pyM8kKhcI6qpmDifmQJ2kmvivOkW70Fwq8gVthsH7GlvBQg1+WuS3MhLSimtJlR4HRqn YUQA== Subject: Re: Why NOT Looping has been good for me. Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Matthias Grob X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <20120507070606.180110@gmx.net> Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 10:47:14 -0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20120506004505.128800@gmx.net> <8CEF9E3504BC97F-890-12F26@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> <4CA5213F5403445592C2F7147929B4C6@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20120507070606.180110@gmx.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 13:47:18 +0000 (UTC) LOOP TOGETHER! I keep repeating that the main motivation to create the LOOP delay = (Echoplex) was BrotherSync! I felt then and always felt since, that we need to play together and = once sync is working, looping together is a fantastic experience! since = the loop guides, but its our own creation, its much easier to find the = common base and play together. similar to playing alone, there is much = less "stress" to keep the sound going, we have more time to watch the = partner play and feel our answer to it=85 some of my best recordings happened on a single t.c. 2290 - two people = playing into it! now with multitrack loopers and laptop its much easier... On 07 May 2012, at 4:06 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > I guess the looping experience isn't "unreal". But it's a bit like the = whole social life in the Web 2.0 era: We don't hang out with friends = anymore, we socialize on the internet with "virtual friends". Likewise, = we perform "virtual music" by ourselves - even with virtual instruments! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 7 14:19:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC151183462; Mon, 7 May 2012 14:19:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_af116eb6-3e5a-4066-b94c-e6a234f44c4c_" X-Originating-IP: [62.7.183.6] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Why NOT Looping has been good for me. Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 14:19:01 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <20120506004505.128800@gmx.net> <8CEF9E3504BC97F-890-12F26@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> <4CA5213F5403445592C2F7147929B4C6@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20120507070606.180110@gmx.net>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2012 14:19:02.0195 (UTC) FILETIME=[59FC9030:01CD2C5C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 14:19:03 +0000 (UTC) --_af116eb6-3e5a-4066-b94c-e6a234f44c4c_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Exactly! Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk >=20 > LOOP TOGETHER! > I keep repeating that the main motivation to create the LOOP delay (Echop= lex) was BrotherSync! > I felt then and always felt since=2C that we need to play together and on= ce sync is working=2C looping together is a fantastic experience! since the= loop guides=2C but its our own creation=2C its much easier to find the com= mon base and play together. similar to playing alone=2C there is much less = "stress" to keep the sound going=2C we have more time to watch the partner = play and feel our answer to it=85 >=20 > some of my best recordings happened on a single t.c. 2290 - two people pl= aying into it! > now with multitrack loopers and laptop its much easier... >=20 > On 07 May 2012=2C at 4:06 AM=2C Buzap Buzap wrote: >=20 > > I guess the looping experience isn't "unreal". But it's a bit like the = whole social life in the Web 2.0 era: We don't hang out with friends anymor= e=2C we socialize on the internet with "virtual friends". Likewise=2C we pe= rform "virtual music" by ourselves - even with virtual instruments! >=20 = --_af116eb6-3e5a-4066-b94c-e6a234f44c4c_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

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>=3B LOOP TOGETHER!
>=3B I keep repeating that the main motivat= ion to create the LOOP delay (Echoplex) was BrotherSync!
>=3B I felt t= hen and always felt since=2C that we need to play together and once sync is= working=2C looping together is a fantastic experience! since the loop guid= es=2C but its our own creation=2C its much easier to find the common base a= nd play together. similar to playing alone=2C there is much less "stress" t= o keep the sound going=2C we have more time to watch the partner play and f= eel our answer to it=85
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>=3B some of my best recordings hap= pened on a single t.c. 2290 - two people playing into it!
>=3B now wit= h multitrack loopers and laptop its much easier...
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>=3B On = 07 May 2012=2C at 4:06 AM=2C Buzap Buzap wrote:
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>=3B >=3B= I guess the looping experience isn't "unreal". But it's a bit like the who= le social life in the Web 2.0 era: We don't hang out with friends anymore= =2C we socialize on the internet with "virtual friends". Likewise=2C we per= form "virtual music" by ourselves - even with virtual instruments!
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= --_af116eb6-3e5a-4066-b94c-e6a234f44c4c_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 7 14:40:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C8CF183463; Mon, 7 May 2012 14:40:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2868 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 07 May 2012 14:40:06 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=trufun.com; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject; bh=ArxuDtiwXSMACiRQCoOuHbAtuWnufum9cb4XWUtGSPE=; b=rsD6Dj1YxZndWyyV1n8aQ0fz5x18w7wlJJ+QKutUxaMPfjRU0Bt1sQ6B1OUglhTEhs9pPYWS7FJWPcj7Gv8+gpP+HmvtOgpcCG5n7av5LH35elLTuQx5z4HjYk0WRm2K; Subject: Re: Why NOT Looping has been good for me. Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Gans X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 06:52:09 -0700 Cc: David Gans Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <795BE8E9-DDD9-44EF-92F0-4EB000BFABEF@trufun.com> References: <17989930.5835041336388221202.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <20120507123030.47720@gmx.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 14:40:06 +0000 (UTC) Exactly my sentiments! I have been playing acoustic music in a quartet = lately. Occasionally I open the show with a bit of looping before the = rest of the band joins in. Nice to also play solo shows where I can = loop at will. On May 7, 2012, at 6:11 AM, philip wrote: > Playing in a band, playing and singing with just a guitar and my = voice, and looping live or in the privacy of my studio all fulfill = different needs. I get something different out of each of them and I = enjoy each more or less depending on things like what other musicians I = have to play with, venues where I can perform and how I am feeling. David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 7 14:50:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB8D2183464; Mon, 7 May 2012 14:50:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=rvNqJbVGdbt4egs52VbhtoJZG7AoPDG9H2iogr/sNfs= c=1 sm=1 a=CFAIhg3ts-EA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:17 a=hNWuKX8LivVOSfF9IIwA:9 a=LQLNRIgK8vU5IYjP1LkA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Why Looping has been good for me. From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 07:50:17 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1F29FEC4-47EF-484D-AB8D-8CA4394028A1@charter.net> References: <17989930.5835041336388221202.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> <20120507123030.47720@gmx.net>, To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 14:50:19 +0000 (UTC) I agree with all that an more. I've been looping for nearly 30 years (over half my life) and it has = made me a better, more well-rounded, complete, and interesting musician = (I think). I have met people, other like-minded souls, via looping that = I may never have otherwise. Looping has broadened my horizons, helped me = learn more and faster. And, as there is no better critique of yourself = than your own image in a mirror, looping is likewise a perfectly honest = and merciless reminder of any unintended lack in technique you may have = missed along the way. Looping is a tool, and as long as you don't turn = that tool into a crutch, it is (or can be) a life changing one. It may = have originally been (for me) a replacement for playing with others. But = it has turned out, over the long run, to be the very thing that gave me = confidence to go on stage, and learn to play improvise and interact = within a group. Now I can loop, or not, or I can perform solo or in any = size group, and it has the possibility of being an equally satisfying = experience.=20 My 2 cents. On May 7, 2012, at 6:38 AM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > Well, the things looping allows me to do can't be done by having other = musicians to play with. I'm interested in layering sound textures with = the earliest layers falling away in a sort of multi-level, sonic = stratification. Being able to steer the music this way and that is for = me a deeply satisfying process full of spontaneity and creativity. = Having said that, looping, while it is highly empowering, really does = come with a big responsibility, looping with another, sensitive musician = in some ways is even more enjoyable since you then have an increased = element of surprise.. > You might have guessed that I'm not the rhythm, bass, chords, jam type = of loopist.=20 >=20 > Peace >=20 > G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 7 15:01:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5970D18345E; Mon, 7 May 2012 15:01:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 17:01:44 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20120507150144.192480@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20120506004505.128800@gmx.net> <8CEF9E3504BC97F-890-12F26@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> <4CA5213F5403445592C2F7147929B4C6@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20120507070606.180110@gmx.net> Subject: Re: Why NOT Looping has been good for me. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+C4IUvl9+ChJzwFvKtEibhIth44fqQb/01mFOoom N07YZ9MUCog+VOKs8C3CFZ0okpMLnt+c9sFQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: j4bVb1QqeSEqSMh4kHUhHkx+IGRvb8AP Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 15:01:46 +0000 (UTC) > LOOP TOGETHER! > there is much less "stress" to keep the sound going In some cirumstances, it can be a relief to have a common beat going by itself, indeed. Then again, when playing with several people, I do enjoy the "organic" flow of the tempo without a fixed beat. We usually seem to be able to respond to each other in a more spontaneous way. Perhaps, I should look at the idea of "looping together" with a more open-minded approach (just thinking of i.e. collective multi-tap clusters... could be interesting! ) Buzap -- NEU: FreePhone 3-fach-Flat mit kostenlosem Smartphone! Jetzt informieren: http://mobile.1und1.de/?ac=OM.PW.PW003K20328T7073a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 7 15:45:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0D56183463; Mon, 7 May 2012 15:45:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=71xFJkHbWm8Up6hXE1DBoPIY5t7G9wdl1EVCedFGHak=; b=mXupiDvHNkxWU8sJIP3G0fckarPthh+7EgKnRqDK+kmq7VxAMjYHRWBp2mlSyBPCmp wxd4FZk1VLoCUhNSNkEnjkhtG6hlSTV0MIi6LGpbMoAS4jKbWwRDPxTU9HmqqDYFkkTc FL24QKnue9g9BAP364gmYfRgQw2qYbblE3mSJGrtQx8xt79VRbw52tbt9ENx8lAbfzuU gTjcTr8uhfA1abLtjfYm3WWCVbICElaqAX3iR1Q6RHvejmIFYozfgg1ZUfUSrneuHj3z N7YRLY0+AJS86llF7wlQBD2pE0IFEPrZhDd4dA4McrePCUZwECYlfjvyJ0m7n0NxxN0f eA2g== Subject: Re: Distortion problem References: <67DB61C7-5078-45D2-AE8F-D92AF82381E1@tyfoo.de> <20120507131444.6F1A88D0.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> From: Todd Reynolds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B179) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 10:45:51 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: <-NHcwC.A.IhC.24-pPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 15:45:58 +0000 (UTC) Hi Ben. Many years ago i had the exact same problem that i couldn't fix - I= had a physical mod done to mine on the input. It was SO long ago, however, t= hat I just don't remember! Does that ping other's memories, tho? Sent from my iPhone On May 7, 2012, at 6:24 AM, Carsten Wegener wrote: > Hello Ben, >=20 > I use an EDP with loop 4. I think it=C2=B4s not a problem of the level bef= ore the echoplex but of the setting of the input and output level. >=20 > Am 07.05.2012 um 13:14 schrieb Ben: >=20 >> Hello Carsten, >>=20 >> Which looper do you use? an EDP? >> Have you tried to put a compressor before your input? It may help. >>=20 >> Ben. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -------------------------------------------------- >> Carsten Wegener wrote: >> (07/05/2012 12:09) >>=20 >>> I have a distortion problem. When I play my instrument, I set the input l= evel, so that the light never turns red or even orange. >>> If I then record the loop, I can already see during the recording, that t= he feedback is turning red/orange sometimes and so parts of my loop are dist= orted. >>> I can help this by turning down the feedback level after recording or by= setting the input level lower and turn up the output. >>> But I think there must be way to find the right level just with the inpu= t indicator light without guessing what might come out after recording. That= =C2=B4s a very unprecise method. >>> I read the manual again, but couldn=C2=B4t find anything helpful. Did I o= verlook something again? >>> Do you have any suggestions?=20 >>>=20 >>> Carsten >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 7 16:27:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BB02183462; Mon, 7 May 2012 16:27:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=t5DHhKHrSJravLXP7kf1INdvcl7yvhy2K6HofClrd2w=; b=FjV6pMTngiaQxsyAes6fj7B8IAj+6+P+EweeZOI3FCfyxk1IRrlvwfqzrCuwoRzAzF zFCkaLXresm2Nnt4Fk0vssgtoYGrvmt/Z3sCn+T74Og9WTQMlo5ZSCJbA3QhTWlK/l1U EUtbFZj918v9pBV0xx95GwQcR4vbQOdJHHHnndCnqkF2bFvR4pdiJ3JW3T5tHCfW4NhG MaNLLo3xJNwU6c+Vq/CKANgEH9S8S2ZC270aapyF6U8hRBXOwDwLCUreBeBp7xmR07y1 9V99WKbNPo9D/iLf0GuX1oVSKIFwQQZ2qPkbvgE9QqoC8LmoKw65kxCAgCn81/w0JtSn AprQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 18:27:48 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Why NOT looping has NOT been NOT so good From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 16:27:49 +0000 (UTC) Well, I think I already answered that one in my other post. But looping has also been good for me because I learned a lot faster about music; for the reason Ted Kilian mentioned in that other "NOT" thread, that you hear well what you are not so good at and can correct it. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 7 16:34:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5E67183463; Mon, 7 May 2012 16:34:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=5d7zbncYPumLaTZV0O3ZCqYo2da68o3UsSbL2kY3/fY=; b=dJ5qWrzWhIUlGO08Cs7E5dRrWeE2nUSd3lZnOe+j1SvxUvp/pTJu0RIdfLGf9xbEBP MEH5KRaILmtNyTAJhKZgDJUGej9hxUGU4n/37FZMgB09Tx6eX4YzWp8cCCi1px9AOglU ACL6UUg4263iad4cBtS6GGUNfynDhnqIpm3ggXUi5br0b3lZBj/4k+kA6CuADwWQnTX3 Cf957vF9fKB9rt4+Devt5aQiCme/zHSZfzQSkthNHIsxzLn/sFcrYY23ucrrWrpF+SVk I8OOS44ftiiUzZD4lQYFDgaes2FN3d1i8x/NVDQrfg11pz54BB12vteIAUqpJ9eHSSzc azEw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 09:34:33 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Looping has feelings From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 16:34:34 +0000 (UTC) I love that after someone started a thread about "How NOT looping is good for me", someone else started a thread called "How looping IS good for me". There there, Looping, don't let those mean people make you feel bad. When I'm playing in my band (tinyowl.bandcamp.com), looping feels more like cheating: The drummer and bass player each get one voice, but I can get multiple. I'm trying to train myself to loop in less invasive ways - such as creating a very very subtle textural bed, or to record a loop and make live manipulation of that loop my instrument in a while. I don't think it should ever be a 100% one way or the other thing though. Even in solo sets, I try to have occasional passages where I'm not looping. It's a bit of a challenge when your instrument is something that's mildly annoying to hear when used without effects (drum machine). It's fun though - it feels a bit like trapezing without a net. Also, I think it adds strongly to the dynamic variety of a set. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 7 16:45:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04598183464; Mon, 7 May 2012 16:45:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=2o95uiEBZhEBHNRE9fW72MfZv4OFEz/gEUmu3xl4jcU=; b=ATm7XzWfFxCM5rH3R7R+94NYqLpqYbm3IKMEZQxS88N0cZvDspIUx6k7gQG4p/Bcka gNDJlN2Yd31OTDqkOn19ajN3CMpbi8hPqWaxrtRY8bkuP+594IGdhZEtQ7SLwNLspwjz QmP5LeaGW1qPLlVMSWorJUQsOz+TEGBYYaQp9T4pGtRU0US6eij8H99FqcXyBN64Dili wfZAUp3n7sIgFSJpsyrwK0QGz828UsJqrYFSuV0wQSra5mRuoSf/2tHeryZ3sYwNQFUO OFD6OQuBQWu2LP6EPYgcVJnti+QHaCqav73K5XaSxlr/ZgtBKcJfmMfLCuXeiw6N88BD idwA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 18:45:06 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looping has feelings From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <7NOPLB.A.AUD.Sw_pPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 16:45:06 +0000 (UTC) LOL - great subject line, Matt! :-) I too like the game to never letting a loop play back sounding exactly the same as last round. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:34 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > I love that after someone started a thread about "How NOT looping is > good for me", someone else started a thread called "How looping IS > good for me". There there, Looping, don't let those mean people make > you feel bad. > > When I'm playing in my band (tinyowl.bandcamp.com), looping feels more > like cheating: The drummer and bass player each get one voice, but I > can get multiple. I'm trying to train myself to loop in less invasive > ways - such as creating a very very subtle textural bed, or to record > a loop and make live manipulation of that loop my instrument in a > while. I don't think it should ever be a 100% one way or the other > thing though. > > Even in solo sets, I try to have occasional passages where I'm not > looping. It's a bit of a challenge when your instrument is something > that's mildly annoying to hear when used without effects (drum > machine). It's fun though - it feels a bit like trapezing without a > net. Also, I think it adds strongly to the dynamic variety of a set. > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 7 17:06:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C91F183462; Mon, 7 May 2012 17:06:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=hqAkyXErHLTUB10t1kVoJINTjm9JiQ9MYfUOhn00Ncs=; b=YaASYSP/g07TYsqKOJixSnSWgZah4kSbFCH/DH77yQDaZEqvLCSOdmFbOZeQikT5w2 UArZscSos2RXfVteMMf42imnFO6aFq4Vb5m1yEzgoULCcMNoQZVVSgEcGeIlbD1NJ/wg vQeds89C+b5YsyCO6NCtyhyPkVJl037iL5TqqPuPYzAc1Q8evEhHI0VuoMGTWQTcYsai cscH9AHjk4YhQ/RV2IZb0OL/e6OW6x9PCcmO1TuLqywV5ESqxp7AaRnyK1pFzgqIQH7c Vx5TLjOdBgjjvSvNe+RU8ExqAO/Ciah8Nc/uBmFFcRu32DN2dWeMeY3FDvMug4jjfHCb cfsA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 13:06:54 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looping has feelings From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307f35120ebb7904bf754c68 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 17:06:56 +0000 (UTC) --20cf307f35120ebb7904bf754c68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thought it was great too Matt as well as the whole discussion. I wanted to comment and thought no I wouldn't re Buz's train of thought. For years I knew nothing of looping, played in a solo guitar style ala my influences. As that music grew with me a lot of it had natural repetition, almost akin to a form of looping organically maybe. I came in to this community seeking some new inspiration and exploring the possibility to see if technology could expand me, my music. I would say some good things came from it. I've tried several different setups, technologies and at times I think some good comes from it but at times in my case I think I'm guilty of what most of you would call just 'riding on the back of the truck' meaning just improvising over a passage but not necessarily doing creative things with it. I began this year feeling that I needed to return to a focus on the guitar and less improvised more composed or perhaps as it's gone a combination of the two as the process clearly helped me grow. I still feel there is a sense of looping going on in some of my pieces from the repetition standpoint and at times particularly in a couple of newer pieces I'm trying to think that way, to try to have a figure going in my tapping or left hand and alter the picking or do something else if I can physically orchestrate it. I still love the technology, particularly the reverse envelopes and such and need to think about how I want to use it. I think in reality I"m just continuing to explore the idea of how much technology feels right for the music I make. I certainly have grown from the standpoint of friendship and support in all of you plus I have loved being part of the looping festivals and hope to come this fall even though I may have to be creative about how to present myself. Jim On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > LOL - great subject line, Matt! :-) > > I too like the game to never letting a loop play back sounding exactly > the same as last round. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:34 PM, Matt Davignon > wrote: > > I love that after someone started a thread about "How NOT looping is > > good for me", someone else started a thread called "How looping IS > > good for me". There there, Looping, don't let those mean people make > > you feel bad. > > > > When I'm playing in my band (tinyowl.bandcamp.com), looping feels more > > like cheating: The drummer and bass player each get one voice, but I > > can get multiple. I'm trying to train myself to loop in less invasive > > ways - such as creating a very very subtle textural bed, or to record > > a loop and make live manipulation of that loop my instrument in a > > while. I don't think it should ever be a 100% one way or the other > > thing though. > > > > Even in solo sets, I try to have occasional passages where I'm not > > looping. It's a bit of a challenge when your instrument is something > > that's mildly annoying to hear when used without effects (drum > > machine). It's fun though - it feels a bit like trapezing without a > > net. Also, I think it adds strongly to the dynamic variety of a set. > > > > -- > > Matt Davignon > > mattdavignon@gmail.com > > www.ribosomemusic.com > > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > > > > --=20 --=20 *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. *From Brooklyn To Glindran*, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. --20cf307f35120ebb7904bf754c68 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thought it was great too Matt as well as the whole discussion.=A0 I wa= nted to comment and thought no I wouldn't re Buz's train of thought= .=A0 For years I knew nothing of looping, played in a solo guitar style ala= my influences.=A0 As that music grew with me a lot of it had natural repet= ition, almost akin to a form of looping organically maybe.
=A0
I came in to this community seeking some new inspiration= and exploring the possibility to see if technology could expand me, my mus= ic.=A0 I would say some good things came from it.=A0 I've tried several= different setups, technologies and at times I think some good comes from i= t but at times in my case I think I'm guilty of what most of you would = call just 'riding on the back of the=A0truck' meaning just improvis= ing over a passage but not necessarily doing creative things with it.
=A0
I began this year feeling that I needed to return to a f= ocus on the guitar and less improvised more composed or perhaps as it's= gone a combination of the two as the process clearly helped me grow.
=A0
I still feel there is a sense of looping going on in som= e of my pieces from the repetition standpoint and at times particularly in = a couple of newer pieces I'm trying to think that way, to try to have a= figure going in my tapping or left hand and alter the picking or do someth= ing else if I can physically orchestrate it.=A0 I still love the technology= , particularly the reverse envelopes and such and need to think about how I= want to use it.=A0 I think in reality I"m just continuing to explore = the idea of how much technology feels right for the music I make.=A0 I cert= ainly have grown from the standpoint of friendship and support in all of yo= u plus I have loved being part of the looping festivals and hope to come th= is fall even though I may have to be creative about how to present myself.<= /div>
=A0
Jim

On Mon, May = 7, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrot= e:
LOL - great subject line, Matt! :-)

I too like the game to never letting a loop play back sounding exactly
the same as last round.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen


On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:34 PM, Matt Davignon <mattdavignon@gmail.com> wrote:
> I love that after someone started a thread about "How NOT looping= is
> good for me", someone else started a thread called "How loop= ing IS
> good for me". There there, Looping, don't let those mean peop= le make
> you feel bad.
>
> When I'm playing in my band (tinyowl.bandcamp.com), looping feels more
> like cheating: The drummer and bass player each get one voice, but I > can get multiple. I'm trying to train myself to loop in less invas= ive
> ways - such as creating a very very subtle textural bed, or to record<= br> > a loop and make live manipulation of that loop my instrument in a
> while. I don't think it should ever be a 100% one way or the other=
> thing though.
>
> Even in solo sets, I try to have occasional passages where I'm not=
> looping. It's a bit of a challenge when your instrument is somethi= ng
> that's mildly annoying to hear when used without effects (drum
> machine). It's fun though - it feels a bit like trapezing without = a
> net. Also, I think it adds strongly to the dynamic variety of a set. >
> --
> Matt Davignon
> mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosom= emusic.com
> Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com
>




--
--=A0<= /div>
Tips Across the Waters, a = new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.

From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording = by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds
from the sale of this CD = will benefit JDRF International.=A0=A0jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.

--20cf307f35120ebb7904bf754c68-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 7 18:58:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6017183465; Mon, 7 May 2012 18:58:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=BAhQGxwDyTJ+gioDmlvCNCikUSeUw0f0wzftfWkHDnk=; b=W3SWhqRdGTR+8zNdDK8HGOvJGnqn1w+dRJHI/eFm7GXA76qdH4FD1ts555EosV5Toe x+mtnvUmWlHVV7dd9q/HO/F6X5UFtMULuMuoqn4Z8MrySl/jxrZj0/KwpDVoemTjSGo6 RRpfnEfZj+UAmGjbvMZ5l+XPZlXSyYDJqyZVZpkxS8iHBlwmPnwY6NKIIkIIP3rf1S7E BZOSo41Pb5U6eNML4iS4oM/j3yNQewlvJ9MwwU8zx7Lza0DSBIN6pVfYlIHk2+NEmLOh gR5INRxMH7uxAlyH9a7fJcdsf1UBPf3uCyesqe0sgKCn7V62OccGuYINKt6NkWtDx6yp 5yqQ== Message-ID: From: "Boise Creative & Improvised Music Festival" To: References: <20120506004505.128800@gmx.net> <8CEF9E3504BC97F-890-12F26@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> <4CA5213F5403445592C2F7147929B4C6@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20120507070606.180110@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20120507070606.180110@gmx.net> Subject: Re: Why NOT Looping has been good for me. Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 12:58:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 18:58:54 +0000 (UTC) Actually, I ditched all effects and the laptop all together for about a year. I just played my archtop through a tube amp. It wasn't necessarily a rebellion against looping or technology, rather I just needed to re-acquaint myself with my instrument in its raw form. It provided a healthy perspective on things, and now that I'm back into the technology, my perspective has improved. Now I can go back to just the guitar and amp and I am comfortable with it. -----Original Message----- Krispen: I have actually also thought of you. If I remember right, you did turn your back on the whole looping thing and just went out playing guitar, right? Buzap From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 7 19:31:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5177B183463; Mon, 7 May 2012 19:31:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=3WVxvaQEbHFFiklcKM46GawkN/nkl5P3lHrtpVHinAA=; b=A4tRJFfcv1N1FrI9+t9RWSYIMM/Kp3klRHjqvsuCipXjLEvIsGUBBYSUGe4g/FKfYO fpFBRwuMjWp78HWoPZGW5lH9Gl5qsxmqtzyXe+3yA9h2R4RTYzDuLwpNQoOLagps0cPx noFE644d+0ocU9GjNI8M7fcvkx0fuCkc6YVV5zYwngecuIxbO/5GBuZ4bTU7O2MJH5gR IMoOuI4ninNj1dCJCBqh/z5lhA9vHaHZOLWbzyD2+2n4r4iGuoodEuZ4RfTVWFN+sr9h Qadvk2kxx8EM3+boeZ7d/q6FOLaUa1cbGjpcwRaL3lQT3nI+B9pG31dedh6n0u6DP3cY BZvA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 21:30:55 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 76vZ-IzDeb67ZxkKzhtVIy4gEfI Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looping has feelings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec552424255586b04bf7750e8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 19:31:18 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec552424255586b04bf7750e8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > I too like the game to never letting a loop play back sounding exactly > the same as last round. > Ha ha I'm the opposite. One of the reasons I LOVE LOVE LOVE looping, is exactly because I love the sound of a loop. I dont want to hide the fact that is a loop, or (as I remember from repeater discussions) NOT hear the loop point... I love the repetition of a loop, and especially if the loop is not perfect and you can HEAR it. In fact for my gigs, I usually am a little more like ichy-loop Boysen, and feel like I NEED to change the loop all the time, adding, taking away, changing lengths/pitching etc, but i reality and often at home, Im happy to let a loop go on and on and on and on and on and on... I once left an EDP running for 2 weeks while I went on holiday.. when I cam back it WAS still there, a tad distorted mind you, but it was there. The neighbours had moved out though! Mark -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --bcaec552424255586b04bf7750e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:
I too like the game to never letting a loop play back soun= ding exactly
the same as last round.

Ha ha I'm the opposi= te. One of the reasons I LOVE LOVE LOVE looping, is exactly because I love = the sound of a loop. I dont want to hide the fact that is a loop, or (as I = remember from repeater discussions) NOT hear the loop point... I love the r= epetition of a loop, and especially if the loop is not perfect and you can = HEAR it. In fact for my gigs, I usually am a little more like ichy-loop Boy= sen, and feel like I NEED to change the loop all the time, adding, taking a= way, changing lengths/pitching etc, but i reality and often at home, Im hap= py to let a loop go on and on and on and on and on and on...

I once left an EDP running for 2 weeks while I went on holiday.. when I= cam back it WAS still there, a tad distorted mind you, but it was there. <= br>
The neighbours had moved out though!

Mark



--
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http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
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--bcaec552424255586b04bf7750e8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 7 23:36:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDDE8183462; Mon, 7 May 2012 23:36:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=X4iDhprMGk6a8lJn/QrZjJ/awMHto6t+C8A9hyLpM38=; b=cIr0qKPYAfnIiohK1DEioYTge8IgcvR2uu4/Hwx+DNsG2fpILWG6jho+Hvh5rSWJDB d/0dcGydtKKSzZvhPzVQNjNny+M8/3Y01ellhtKoaUGfFYRKfJrqd/odngfCiG42wnbZ 8rjHflgzBi9BjO7+zl9BEGDTQKFYDa99Q++Fg6VEy8s6Ku92GTiJn3lXKbp5DgfdgsZg HF51nhXfZ+izQwx/7DWbgd91Dd5fNAyZuBQTG+snDqEVCejIpnFEf4yp8RsjnyDVPt1C R0YAYszX62245cizVm+WnkCbZFrKtjAYP2Q4q9nOak5gsGheq6el1m8GzCEzXMID23Z1 uoFA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 16:36:55 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Why NOT looping has NOT been NOT so good From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 23:36:56 +0000 (UTC) I don't understand. So because you not don't loop when you ... Per Boysen was not like: > Well, I don=92t think I didn=92t already not answer that one in my other = unpost. > > But looping hasn=92t also been not good for me, not because I didn=92t le= arn a lot unfaster > about non-music; not for the reason Ted Kilian didn=92t mention in that = other "NOT" > thread, that you don=92t hear well what you are not so not good at and ca= n=92t dis-re-un-correct > (not) it. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen --=20 Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 04:43:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C97FE183463; Tue, 8 May 2012 04:43:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:from:content-type:x-mailer:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=tj0IjlGJL4EQI/Ml2xjFz3LuVU/1van60F6av9Kq7lQ=; b=pixf295M7gZ3sjFyRVBeUB+nlL9QwsuNBUoxwePigD2TTUBL4orN4K7iHmi7w/rEPK TnVi5qzLDa0JcDcNhC3HUregjp5U2qQp6lZffAp0RBu7I3Uk449IQ44UYfcCLbs0YtQg f3smdFNg00jkZK9fWsplXTdsFAWqe/vp6ZFbKkGy+4XRELSw2ElL3ZNhFQnmIHhral0r b9TMGfeUm44hP70N5K8RSubzoERM8CvrnkSO1J524Ffbh8dlbxPVSiRgSm3hO7gX/6hw H1RqAOq7Wi+Cf42DS3XSWfB++gbsOkrVDcue7D1GGgOka7aIe/rdOrdfC4cKZu+4yL+Y g2OA== Subject: Vocabulary of the looper From: Gmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 21:43:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 04:43:18 +0000 (UTC) I'm curious to hear your looping vocabulary/lingo. I half the time dont know= what people are talking about when they say stuff like "bed of texture" or w= hatever else. Post away and educate me! Just to add, I have my own little term;=20 Reverb-Freezing or Freezeverb: When you have drums and other instrument soun= ds playing without much audible reverb and just when the snare hits you quic= kly silence every instrument and turn the reverb effect up all the way simul= taneously so that the reverb from the snare drum is isolated for a beat or t= wo then quickly turn all instruments to full volume right at the drop of the= next kick drum.=20 Kaylon= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 04:58:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0FE3183462; Tue, 8 May 2012 04:58:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=k3V5nefQdl946FkCMZooJ7GJW2vu9ipzZy5rVILmpAJzuPmxVB+E43O9sdKn7lEx; h=Received:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:X-Priority:In-Reply-To:Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Subject: Re: Why NOT Looping has been good for me. Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Cara Quinn X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <20120507070606.180110@gmx.net> Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 21:58:47 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20120506004505.128800@gmx.net> <8CEF9E3504BC97F-890-12F26@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> <4CA5213F5403445592C2F7147929B4C6@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20120507070606.180110@gmx.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-ELNK-Trace: 6b863c64b7cad57866423f13a3a05d4c239a348a220c2609bb01a9bacf2ae51677819f2656db4495a8438e0f32a48e08350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.106.47.89 Resent-Message-ID: <6lPLc.A.VNC.TgKqPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 04:58:59 +0000 (UTC) Much of my favorite looping has been done with others. This is one = reason I still use the EDP over other loopers. I find that the ability to change loop lengths on the fly or even = quickly just jump straight from one loop to something completely = different (a'la sus record) is real freedom when it comes to the looping = world. -Just my thoughts of course=85 I personally never viewed looping as being an exclusively solo gig so to = speak. :) Great topic! Thanks! Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn=20 On May 7, 2012, at 12:06 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: I guess the looping experience isn't "unreal". But it's a bit like the = whole social life in the Web 2.0 era: We don't hang out with friends = anymore, we socialize on the internet with "virtual friends". Likewise, = we perform "virtual music" by ourselves - even with virtual instruments! Krispen: I have actually also thought of you. If I remember right, you = did turn your back on the whole looping thing and just went out playing = guitar, right? Buzap --=20 Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 05:14:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DEBF183462; Tue, 8 May 2012 05:14:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=TxEeZGvujQEU5jFX/6Mvk+OuF+MVkJXtTcG1wSVsnGZtDLwb9xtPvoI2ywMp3UES; h=Received:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:X-Priority:In-Reply-To:Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Subject: Re: Why NOT Looping has been good for me. Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Cara Quinn X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <20120507150144.192480@gmx.net> Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 22:13:57 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20120506004505.128800@gmx.net> <8CEF9E3504BC97F-890-12F26@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> <4CA5213F5403445592C2F7147929B4C6@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20120507070606.180110@gmx.net> <20120507150144.192480@gmx.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-ELNK-Trace: 6b863c64b7cad57866423f13a3a05d4c239a348a220c26095edf67ff62df7e8a4095354cc6d90616666fa475841a1c7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.106.47.89 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 05:14:09 +0000 (UTC) This is exactly why I mention the sus functions on the EDP. For me = they're truly a totally relaxed way of looping with others. If you find the tempo drifting, either re-trigger the loop manually, = adjust its length (sus unrounded multiply) or simply do a sus record and = create a completely fresh loop right on the fly so you keep the music = flowing. You've preserved the tempo and haven't missed a beat. :) There are a lot of options without needing to sit and think about it = while the moment passes. ;) -Know what I mean?=85 Not trying to harp on the EDP but just noting that there are many ways = to do the live looping thing with other people. ;) Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn=20 On May 7, 2012, at 8:01 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > LOOP TOGETHER! > there is much less "stress" to keep the sound going In some cirumstances, it can be a relief to have a common beat going by = itself, indeed. Then again, when playing with several people, I do enjoy the "organic" = flow of the tempo without a fixed beat. We usually seem to be able to = respond to each other in a more spontaneous way. Perhaps, I should look at the idea of "looping together" with a more = open-minded approach (just thinking of i.e. collective multi-tap = clusters... could be interesting! ) Buzap --=20 NEU: FreePhone 3-fach-Flat mit kostenlosem Smartphone! = =20 Jetzt informieren: http://mobile.1und1.de/?ac=3DOM.PW.PW003K20328T7073a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 05:23:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC301183464; Tue, 8 May 2012 05:23:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=JHigwoiFaCVL6uKroEoEEeryyXf6JrwAghgnt7cHRdW8uhwxF0VpPBOfPeNHEIi1; h=Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; From: Cara Quinn Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_8E4B3461-48F8-40E6-ACAE-B19E2CF852DF" Subject: Re: Looping has feelings Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 22:23:44 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-Id: <830C293A-B176-4B06-840A-15B2F964579A@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-ELNK-Trace: 6b863c64b7cad57866423f13a3a05d4c239a348a220c26095edf67ff62df7e8a1a72d877494cb583a2d4e88014a4647c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.106.47.89 Resent-Message-ID: <6aKR6.A.XiC.s3KqPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 05:23:56 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_8E4B3461-48F8-40E6-ACAE-B19E2CF852DF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Lol! Seriously? the neighbors left? Really?!!! ;) I don't' think I've ever heard of a loop being left on for two weeks! = That's awesome! Thanks for sharing that!=85 I thought I'd post a little something that happened ages ago in 2003 in = Denver. I'm improvising live with two others at a little coffee house on = a Saturday night. PX 4, Space Station and a single EdP=85 YOu'll need to give this one just a couple of minutes to settle in. http://www.caraquinn.com/NakedBluesCQSPJG.mp3 Enjoy! Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn=20 On May 7, 2012, at 12:30 PM, mark francombe wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Per Boysen wrote: I too like the game to never letting a loop play back sounding exactly the same as last round. Ha ha I'm the opposite. One of the reasons I LOVE LOVE LOVE looping, is = exactly because I love the sound of a loop. I dont want to hide the fact = that is a loop, or (as I remember from repeater discussions) NOT hear = the loop point... I love the repetition of a loop, and especially if the = loop is not perfect and you can HEAR it. In fact for my gigs, I usually = am a little more like ichy-loop Boysen, and feel like I NEED to change = the loop all the time, adding, taking away, changing lengths/pitching = etc, but i reality and often at home, Im happy to let a loop go on and = on and on and on and on and on...=20 I once left an EDP running for 2 weeks while I went on holiday.. when I = cam back it WAS still there, a tad distorted mind you, but it was there.=20= The neighbours had moved out though! Mark --=20 Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --Apple-Mail=_8E4B3461-48F8-40E6-ACAE-B19E2CF852DF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Lol! = Seriously? the neighbors left? Really?!!! ;)

I don't' = think I've ever heard of a loop being left on for two weeks! That's = awesome! Thanks for sharing that!=85

I thought = I'd post a little something that happened ages ago in 2003 in Denver. = I'm improvising live with two others at a little coffee house on a = Saturday night.

PX 4, Space Station and a = single EdP=85

YOu'll need to give this one just = a couple of minutes to settle in.


Enjoy!
<= br>
Cara :)
---
View my = Online Portfolio at:

On May 7, 2012, at 12:30 PM, mark francombe = wrote:

On Mon, May 7, 2012 = at 6:45 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
I too like the game to never letting a loop play back = sounding exactly
the same as last round.

Ha ha I'm the = opposite. One of the reasons I LOVE LOVE LOVE looping, is exactly = because I love the sound of a loop. I dont want to hide the fact that is = a loop, or (as I remember from repeater discussions) NOT hear the loop = point... I love the repetition of a loop, and especially if the loop is = not perfect and you can HEAR it. In fact for my gigs, I usually am a = little more like ichy-loop Boysen, and feel like I NEED to change the = loop all the time, adding, taking away, changing lengths/pitching etc, = but i reality and often at home, Im happy to let a loop go on and on and = on and on and on and on...

I once left an EDP running for 2 weeks while I went on holiday.. = when I cam back it WAS still there, a tad distorted mind you, but it was = there.

The neighbours had moved out = though!

Mark



--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter = @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/


= --Apple-Mail=_8E4B3461-48F8-40E6-ACAE-B19E2CF852DF-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 05:30:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93A07183464; Tue, 8 May 2012 05:30:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6F06E753-DBA8-4767-8FEF-720CC38133A6@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--481923208 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Looping has feelings Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 22:30:45 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <2yj-u.A.LrC.N-KqPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 05:30:53 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--481923208 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit noun 1. a drop of the saline, watery fluid continually secreted by thelacrimal glands between the surface of the eye and theeyelid, serving to moisten and lubricate these parts andkeep them clear of foreign particles. Synonyms: teardrop. 2. this fluid appearing in or flowing from the eye as the resultof emotion, especially grief: to shed tears. 3. something resembling or suggesting a tear, as a drop of aliquid or a tearlike mass of a solid substance, especiallyhaving a spherical or globular shape at one end andtapering to a point at the other: teardrop earrings. 4. Glassmaking . a decorative air bubble enclosed in a glassvessel; air bell. 5. tears, grief; sorrow. --Apple-Mail-4--481923208 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
noun
1.
a of the saline, fluid secreted by lacrimal glands between the of the and theeyelid, to moisten and these parts keep them clear foreign particles. Synonyms: this fluid or flowing from eye as the of emotion, especially shed tears.
3.
resembling or a  as a drop aliquid or a of a substance, especiallya or globular shape one end andto a at the other: teardrop earrings.
4.
. a decorative air enclosed in glassvessel; air grief;  To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <830C293A-B176-4B06-840A-15B2F964579A@earthlink.net> Message-Id: <7F0FC27C-7BF9-4229-8D04-9BABEC6A9965@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-ELNK-Trace: 6b863c64b7cad57866423f13a3a05d4c239a348a220c260920d8322618394bf0edbdf7853f433eab350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.106.47.89 Resent-Message-ID: <38DsjC.A.E2C.eHLqPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 05:40:46 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_D3E36BD3-85D3-480D-A3EF-F58F95F17162 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Ah, in regard to my last post, -to give credit where credit is due: Bass Stanley Planet Vocals: Jimmy George Guitar and strangeness: Yours truly Just wanted to mention my cohorts=85 :) Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn=20 On May 7, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Cara Quinn wrote: Lol! Seriously? the neighbors left? Really?!!! ;) I don't' think I've ever heard of a loop being left on for two weeks! = That's awesome! Thanks for sharing that!=85 I thought I'd post a little something that happened ages ago in 2003 in = Denver. I'm improvising live with two others at a little coffee house on = a Saturday night. PX 4, Space Station and a single EdP=85 YOu'll need to give this one just a couple of minutes to settle in. http://www.caraquinn.com/NakedBluesCQSPJG.mp3 Enjoy! Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn=20 On May 7, 2012, at 12:30 PM, mark francombe wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Per Boysen wrote: I too like the game to never letting a loop play back sounding exactly the same as last round. Ha ha I'm the opposite. One of the reasons I LOVE LOVE LOVE looping, is = exactly because I love the sound of a loop. I dont want to hide the fact = that is a loop, or (as I remember from repeater discussions) NOT hear = the loop point... I love the repetition of a loop, and especially if the = loop is not perfect and you can HEAR it. In fact for my gigs, I usually = am a little more like ichy-loop Boysen, and feel like I NEED to change = the loop all the time, adding, taking away, changing lengths/pitching = etc, but i reality and often at home, Im happy to let a loop go on and = on and on and on and on and on...=20 I once left an EDP running for 2 weeks while I went on holiday.. when I = cam back it WAS still there, a tad distorted mind you, but it was there.=20= The neighbours had moved out though! Mark --=20 Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --Apple-Mail=_D3E36BD3-85D3-480D-A3EF-F58F95F17162 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Ah, = in regard to my last post, -to give credit where credit is = due:

Bass Stanley = Planet

Vocals: Jimmy = George

Guitar and strangeness: Yours = truly

Just wanted to mention my cohorts=85 = :)

Cara :)
=
http://www.onemodelplace.c= om/CaraQuinn 

On May 7, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Cara Quinn wrote:

Lol! = Seriously? the neighbors left? Really?!!! ;)

I don't' = think I've ever heard of a loop being left on for two weeks! That's = awesome! Thanks for sharing that!=85

I thought = I'd post a little something that happened ages ago in 2003 in Denver. = I'm improvising live with two others at a little coffee house on a = Saturday night.

PX 4, Space Station and a = single EdP=85

YOu'll need to give this one just = a couple of minutes to settle in.


Enjoy!
<= br>
Cara :)
---
View my = Online Portfolio at:

On May 7, 2012, at 12:30 PM, mark francombe = wrote:

On Mon, May 7, 2012 = at 6:45 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
I too like the game to never letting a loop play back = sounding exactly
the same as last round.

Ha ha I'm the = opposite. One of the reasons I LOVE LOVE LOVE looping, is exactly = because I love the sound of a loop. I dont want to hide the fact that is = a loop, or (as I remember from repeater discussions) NOT hear the loop = point... I love the repetition of a loop, and especially if the loop is = not perfect and you can HEAR it. In fact for my gigs, I usually am a = little more like ichy-loop Boysen, and feel like I NEED to change the = loop all the time, adding, taking away, changing lengths/pitching etc, = but i reality and often at home, Im happy to let a loop go on and on and = on and on and on and on...

I once left an EDP running for 2 weeks while I went on holiday.. = when I cam back it WAS still there, a tad distorted mind you, but it was = there.

The neighbours had moved out = though!

Mark



--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter = @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/



= --Apple-Mail=_D3E36BD3-85D3-480D-A3EF-F58F95F17162-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 06:02:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FB03183464; Tue, 8 May 2012 06:02:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7BFDC669-5ADB-4E5E-A52D-9AD036217159@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Looping has feelings Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 23:02:00 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 06:02:07 +0000 (UTC) I'm sorry for my last post in advance its just that Matt's hilarious post (gentle reassurance to looping and what it might be going through right now... you know emotionally...) it just made me look up the definition of the first word that came to mind when i thought of looping's possible fragile state of mind and that word was, Tear. And when unsuspecting people search the archives and find this thread they'll be tempted to wonder what kind of strange people inhabit this list . too funny. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 08:43:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A39D7183462; Tue, 8 May 2012 08:43:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 10:43:19 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <7BFDC669-5ADB-4E5E-A52D-9AD036217159@baymoon.com> Message-ID: <20120508084319.44120@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7BFDC669-5ADB-4E5E-A52D-9AD036217159@baymoon.com> Subject: Re: Looping has feelings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/9JLJk8s39OKvZCNh1Vgptru3u3tZGxrDhrHUPon 7tAtBOagRrKThj515Cp6TAg3xSac5+ya4+nA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: /7nab1hweSEqaMh4kHUhxVx+IGRvb8CH Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 08:43:22 +0000 (UTC) LOL... Yeah, Looping has feelings... They're probably like this: "I can't take that anymore... Do we have to go thru this... AGAIN?..." ;-) Buzap -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 08:45:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 602AA183462; Tue, 8 May 2012 08:45:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 10:45:14 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20120508084514.44120@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20120506004505.128800@gmx.net> <8CEF9E3504BC97F-890-12F26@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> <4CA5213F5403445592C2F7147929B4C6@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20120507070606.180110@gmx.net> <20120507150144.192480@gmx.net> Subject: Re: Why NOT Looping has been good for me. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX195UQ4mQZN58WUdHOqvIljCY9j+OFYqqQKNzyl1vV 0d8/NbfY1wfuU8QHwC06Y5lIa6JnKYq6ld+w== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: Tbjab1hweSEqaMh4kHUhRUN+IGRvb8BB Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 08:45:19 +0000 (UTC) Hi Cara when playing with others, I sometimes use one-shot loops that I trigger manually (actually by foot) in time with the group. But SUS is a good idea actually... thanks Buzap -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Mon, 7 May 2012 22:13:57 -0700 > Von: Cara Quinn > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: Why NOT Looping has been good for me. > This is exactly why I mention the sus functions on the EDP. For me they're > truly a totally relaxed way of looping with others. > > If you find the tempo drifting, either re-trigger the loop manually, > adjust its length (sus unrounded multiply) or simply do a sus record and create > a completely fresh loop right on the fly so you keep the music flowing. > > You've preserved the tempo and haven't missed a beat. :) > > There are a lot of options without needing to sit and think about it while > the moment passes. ;) -Know what I mean?… > Not trying to harp on the EDP but just noting that there are many ways to > do the live looping thing with other people. ;) > > Smiles, > > Cara :) > --- > View my Online Portfolio at: > http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn > > On May 7, 2012, at 8:01 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > > > LOOP TOGETHER! > > there is much less "stress" to keep the sound going > In some cirumstances, it can be a relief to have a common beat going by > itself, indeed. > Then again, when playing with several people, I do enjoy the "organic" > flow of the tempo without a fixed beat. We usually seem to be able to respond > to each other in a more spontaneous way. > Perhaps, I should look at the idea of "looping together" with a more > open-minded approach (just thinking of i.e. collective multi-tap clusters... > could be interesting! ) > > Buzap > -- > NEU: FreePhone 3-fach-Flat mit kostenlosem Smartphone! > > Jetzt informieren: http://mobile.1und1.de/?ac=OM.PW.PW003K20328T7073a > > -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 08:46:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A82A18345E; Tue, 8 May 2012 08:46:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 10:46:39 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20120508084639.44090@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20120506004505.128800@gmx.net> <8CEF9E3504BC97F-890-12F26@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> <4CA5213F5403445592C2F7147929B4C6@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20120507070606.180110@gmx.net> Subject: Re: Why NOT Looping has been good for me. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX185R44TWjs5m9HtvRA5QTV1xW2QQ5traw/jKT3/3A kTjAHrfFfsj6UVCetq+bvEpt1xNcUXNWYOnA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: OLjab11weSEqaMh4kHUhtUF+IGRvbwDL Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 08:46:43 +0000 (UTC) > I just needed to re-acquaint myself with my instrument in its raw form. I guess that has been my need. The basics seemed to get lost over time beneath layers of effects & technology. Buzap -- NEU: FreePhone 3-fach-Flat mit kostenlosem Smartphone! Jetzt informieren: http://mobile.1und1.de/?ac=OM.PW.PW003K20328T7073a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 08:54:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAECB183464; Tue, 8 May 2012 08:54:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 10:54:27 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20120508085427.44110@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Subject: Re: Vocabulary of the looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18WTfN7PjYWgULArgBYDGk/96rol9EwsryuAU0Pjw 7NbtjgNfRzjVhaNz4b7oh9Sua15lDpdY6Rng== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: FLrab19weSEqaMh4kHUhHkZ+IGRvb8Av Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 08:54:32 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kaylon >dont know what people are talking about when they say stuff like "bed of texture" It took me a while to figure out that >50% of the loopers here consider themselves somewhat "ambient musicians". I don't understand them either, but they seem to like it when a song needs 20 minutes building up... Anyway, they are the majority here. So I recommend: Be nice to them and go along with their vocabulary ;-)) Buzap -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 08:56:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47532183461; Tue, 8 May 2012 08:56:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=7C3IJN/fcnU23HNHRlldnwVugetxavECUpMpnurZBxI=; b=roNydHq88XViYhO8EkDgBpxjzHfLFhMBF0d6/AZqTrGlzUbRqbY+oileYqqkxtTIua QPj9EAawvFX4XqM7EQ5oG5g3e3BLEgFy7tJEjwDMXBaNfMaVE5I4eWTB0i1rJlgOXAyz MjXk9VbZqmiBPtikzGG/dJlo6ps4oGQK8Ii7PJlOHym62duWlEs5wGioVU0KU+4O3lYX UTuY8fS92BClzpjGCggNZ3Cf+Cc9tdV9YE1pKHVaJYDPdf0BUhryNtOoINTllZEjVg9H TwXVIvqiRhNQPLXLoPATLyfWer4yYfNruWSpzD0tXd0Tc4vHz7S139PB0lO174rb29RA NdoQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120508084639.44090@gmx.net> References: <20120506004505.128800@gmx.net> <8CEF9E3504BC97F-890-12F26@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> <4CA5213F5403445592C2F7147929B4C6@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20120507070606.180110@gmx.net> <20120508084639.44090@gmx.net> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 10:56:33 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Why NOT Looping has been good for me. From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 08:56:34 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > The basics seemed to get lost over time beneath layers of effects & technology. Effects & Technology is like wine; may add a nice flavor to a meal. And you do not have to consume it all just because it is on the table. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 09:13:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50473183461; Tue, 8 May 2012 09:13:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_a20d1d97-db34-491e-a831-08b0ae5adfea_" X-Originating-IP: [62.7.183.6] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Why NOT Looping has been good for me. Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 09:12:59 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <20120506004505.128800@gmx.net>,<8CEF9E3504BC97F-890-12F26@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com>,<4CA5213F5403445592C2F7147929B4C6@americas.hpqcorp.net>,<20120507070606.180110@gmx.net>,,<20120508084639.44090@gmx.net>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2012 09:13:00.0543 (UTC) FILETIME=[C40090F0:01CD2CFA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 09:13:01 +0000 (UTC) --_a20d1d97-db34-491e-a831-08b0ae5adfea_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Isn't it all technology? A piano was considered the height of technology al= beit mechanical when it was invented. 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= --_a20d1d97-db34-491e-a831-08b0ae5adfea_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 09:35:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A013183465; Tue, 8 May 2012 09:35:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=LPWSlJ8Xn4rSbJDOc01SbJ3Tlgw0042BKEGUDVu4+no=; b=n0w/Esx/qMeN+CKwclI42axExQJc4Y6Udzc9GnzPhS+ejXcALca0nQA4EntpFlDdIF UJ832LXIHyihkjkEz8CPDklW++/2azMfzbV1lWgO03+TCdSfxMhDOHvA+r+r0/lQtCQM 58l/v3AUMpBojdEeTbxm4qyVMym0E4cKYoGa7FQiRIySUkNntE9Z/EuYfVUE2mp+UEJl 79cM/iOdLgtU1EQT7AQg4H2j8kBJDSelrpUaRchmqfHd3uR/hsRCYzZxokexAj9UvBV4 bH9bU5tlF00v4xm5BdTVkOlde/qBGc8Hez1E7Oq70VOjBk/i25CVsetYEWbq5KtPvup0 GVEw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20120506004505.128800@gmx.net> <8CEF9E3504BC97F-890-12F26@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> <4CA5213F5403445592C2F7147929B4C6@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20120507070606.180110@gmx.net> <20120508084639.44090@gmx.net> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 11:35:41 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Why NOT Looping has been good for me. From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 09:35:43 +0000 (UTC) Well... yes. That's true. You may even look at yourself as technology; a masterpiece mocked up by carbon based molecules. And for the operating system side there is a very old technique to expand one's loops called Karma Yoga. Plain Sus Substitute Stuff ;-) And BTW, didn't that Guatama drop-out guy in India invent some sort of Gobal Reset All Loops button fifteen hundred years ago...? Looping is obviously very old. Per On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > Isn't it all technology? A piano was considered the height of technology > albeit mechanical when it was invented. It even had a reverb and lowpass > filter pedal ;-) > > Peace > > g > > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > >> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 10:56:33 +0200 >> Subject: Re: Why NOT Looping has been good for me. >> From: perboysen@gmail.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: >> > The basics seemed to get lost over time beneath layers of effects & >> > technology. >> >> Effects & Technology is like wine; may add a nice flavor to a meal. >> And you do not have to consume it all just because it is on the table. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 11:51:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70B37183463; Tue, 8 May 2012 11:51:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 549543.76457.bm@omp1020.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1336477911; bh=9chBTZev2OGH8G4/3TMssu4MZsCnL8ueQtnBiqtoY6g=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=le5QXQ67ypL0kDBmIAmlSsy4xa5NA0CI6uW/bCVGWWYtkp9XbiONS3gjgNJ5fF3rFg/bEjX1o53Xjz+tSqpUNmz7uUwDmE4SR5hkKNuwea3VYnz2tkfyS5QNMFOK05GQRfJ6WMMptTwEqRSfu8xU2zm91LdXM9nUOaHFfa0kWV8= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UeLTPvgdUsh7oCrGewx+2LJpAwHzb4TSZV8z8d+HijtQXqM2DYf1EYW7o6hKzNWi/dyoBi0YDKJGfqMmZ3fY2iUdqhOZBg6o6UNpp6Mm+fKyfWoQrK5FeUamj7GuU62dhXiHFhkjh/cziep3bGxYzcj+yt2hLp0LTnQpdzGyesc=; X-YMail-OSG: E3XyeU8VM1m67rX3bK0r70z6MEar3XwRcgLBJGSOxjdtpm7 TpWJjT8XaaInTnmiXUNBEjJv7KwW623fxhrPfQ8xGzcX57LpFUdPJE6lNcb4 1FpACFzZ08.6ejzC7BIWBCbJuESry.IeKsh514FwO.TfnXtdlJAVpP4g6tmF 6zG0jv3hwVTQcNgqIVXIq6USawols7CqauagSGlmMzZpYdjLOdV9LTg_sOLh QIu9dtE02BvjE30mvRlR9Od3.UisWfuA945ucMGlhLHboz5bqoLxnIPDjzPt eWXWyhjl6w6bXL0f6zrMaPHsZ.PVuAdaTpIY7CrysZpiGTFUdGn4Q8JQ4X9r mn7_lkWGVinE7eLYQUpFrbtorAK6vZxQhCkQitVi.YdGakhYtZCN4JuughJ_ 9csSbRBc_uHRmiY4Si.npanGezxP.ZHn5rQ5XUBHnJxqHQdBvb7y2yugAXB2 QFetSm7FlGi6Vr0uPGitccQGdNomkAenciBFMFQcSARIdKiDgL4bHTwYe6Tm wqQDHAPA2wcc2k8L_XS82xCMC2Rabtu8_6JfJQU4Id.cJt1MQ32qxfS3JntK IbQcMBBm7ZfQ- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <20120506004505.128800@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1336477910.2728.YahooMailNeo@web163804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 04:51:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Reply-To: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Why NOT Looping has been good for me. To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <20120506004505.128800@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1691886257-819165754-1336477910=:2728" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 11:51:53 +0000 (UTC) --1691886257-819165754-1336477910=:2728 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable same here Buzap!=0ABeen playing lots of guitar s well=0A=0Athough ive been = testing the RC300,cause im still getting the ocasional solo gigs and dont w= ant to go the software route=0Abut it sucks cause it has a real bad bug and= it crashes so thats going back im not letting anything like that get on th= e way of making music anymore,either it does what it suppose to or someone = else can deal with it=0A=0Ai also got rid of a lot of stuff even the rc-3;-= )=0A=0Abut will keep my dear echoplex and my little M9 thats enough!=0A=0A= =A0=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A________________________= ________=0A Von: Buzap Buzap =0AAn: LD LoopersDelight =0AGesendet: 2:45 Sonntag, 6.Mai 2012=0ABet= reff: Why NOT Looping has been good for me.=0A =0AHi folks=0A=0Athe last ca= . 1,5 years, I haven't been very active on LD - and also, I haven't been lo= oping much. Well, all I can say is that NOT looping has actually been a ver= y good experience for me. So, I'd like to share a few details:=0A- 1. First= of all, I have played much more often together with other people. Compared= to making music happen together with real people, looping by myself was mo= re of an autistic experience - a lot of fun, but mostly self-serving.=0A- 2= . I actually get to practice my real instruments more thoroughly. Instead o= f i.e. looping overdubs, it can be more challenging to actually try to play= polyphonic etc.=0A- 3. I actually spend more time with real music. Not wit= h technical looping gear details but with simply directly playing music and= immersing into music.=0A=0ASo, to sum it up, without live looping it has b= een: more real people, more real instruments, more real music.=0A=0ANow, do= n't get me wrong. You don't need to explain me the benefits - or actually t= he sheer love - of live looping. =0ATo bring in another perspective, the "L= ove" of live looping may have been lost for me for one of the following rea= sons in the recent years:=0A- A. Switching from hardware looper to software= looping:=0AI used to enjoy so much switching my Mackie mixer and the RC-50= ... With software, I've spent so much time debugging problems, configuring = applications, coding scripts...=0A- B. Moving from stereo to mono:=0AI told= myself that I don't really need stereo and could save on the CPU performan= ce. But before, it was so much fun panning the different loops on the "ster= eo canvas" or spreading a loop wide with reverb and pan delay...=0A- C. Rem= oving foot pedals with desktop midi controllers:=0AI convinced myself that = I could get rid of footcontrollers (and I actually did). A midi controller = on the table does usually have more buttons, slides etc. and offers more pa= rameters. But there is a certain fluidity & joy to foot pedals...=0A=0AThat= being said, I've reluctantly picked up live looping again, but with a more= relaxed approach. So, for now, I'm actually quite happy with some very bas= ic live looping on an RC-2 pedal...=0A=0AJust wanted to share these thought= s with you.=0ABest regards=0ABuzap=0A=0APS: Maybe the best part of the live= looping experience has been this forum actually :-)=0A-- =0AEmpfehlen Sie = GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir=0Abelohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,-= Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de --1691886257-819165754-1336477910=:2728 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
same here = Buzap!
Been playing lots of guitar s well
=
though ive been testing the RC300,cause im still getting t= he ocasional solo gigs and dont want to go the software route
<= div>but it sucks cause it has a real bad bug and it crashes so thats = going back im not letting anything like that get on the way of making music= anymore,either it does what it suppose to or someone else can deal with it=
i also got rid of a lot of stuff even the rc-3;= -)
but will keep my dear echoplex and my little= M9 thats enough!
 
http://www.myspace.com/= luisangulocom
Von: Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net>
An: LD LoopersDelight <Loopers-Deligh= t@loopers-delight.com>
Gesend= et: 2:45 Sonntag, 6.Mai 2012
Betreff: Why NOT Looping has been good for me.

Hi folks

the last ca. 1,5 years, I haven't been very ac= tive on LD - and also, I haven't been looping much. Well, all I can say is = that NOT looping has actually been a very good experience for me. So, I'd l= ike to share a few details:
- 1. First of all, I have played much more o= ften together with other people. Compared to making music happen together w= ith real people, looping by myself was more of an autistic experience - a l= ot of fun, but mostly self-serving.
- 2. I actually get to practice my real instru= ments more thoroughly. Instead of i.e. looping overdubs, it can be more cha= llenging to actually try to play polyphonic etc.
- 3. I actually spend m= ore time with real music. Not with technical looping gear details but with = simply directly playing music and immersing into music.

So, to sum i= t up, without live looping it has been: more real people, more real instrum= ents, more real music.

Now, don't get me wrong. You don't need to ex= plain me the benefits - or actually the sheer love - of live looping.
T= o bring in another perspective, the "Love" of live looping may have been lo= st for me for one of the following reasons in the recent years:
- A. Swi= tching from hardware looper to software looping:
I used to enjoy so much= switching my Mackie mixer and the RC-50... With software, I've spent so mu= ch time debugging problems, configuring applications, coding scripts...
- B. Moving from stereo to mono:
I told myself that I don= 't really need stereo and could save on the CPU performance. But before, it= was so much fun panning the different loops on the "stereo canvas" or spre= ading a loop wide with reverb and pan delay...
- C. Removing foot pedals= with desktop midi controllers:
I convinced myself that I could get rid = of footcontrollers (and I actually did). A midi controller on the table doe= s usually have more buttons, slides etc. and offers more parameters. But th= ere is a certain fluidity & joy to foot pedals...

That being sai= d, I've reluctantly picked up live looping again, but with a more relaxed a= pproach. So, for now, I'm actually quite happy with some very basic live lo= oping on an RC-2 pedal...

Just wanted to share these thoughts with y= ou.
Best regards
Buzap

PS: Maybe the best part of the live loo= ping experience has been this forum actually :-)
--
Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir
belohnen Sie mit bis z= u 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de



=
--1691886257-819165754-1336477910=:2728-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 12:06:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DFEB183463; Tue, 8 May 2012 12:06:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=ugs5ijMr6qWurigaOAEfTvvf2GRWJdGpGnRe1TleR+c=; b=dcrzdeNP5GVZ6cfrwt6yrmaF7W2ALAbD/4TJ9H/keYUG9Xqm0kDViyMhsoDwoFZmO1 V9Rbg0bt//4bLMVeFtBwTeh9323EiJvDI/ShvH27k3MBobg1S49l+wCy8oDBV7IN0INc TDtu/JtUJBxrQjFAICvW43Gmwt80qbytBxU36qXWUU2+9WwNgdZfgxODgiK+RaQMEdZy sli/8VHwLjApWJaATzNFEQ8cUjT/oNI1/YVr2iq6+TUUWkxkpUchznS+QdVwddv8Yman GwrD5NwmIbrLO0DUTf/CM28k/moGEiVDRdRCXblvdoCz1Gj8Dns7s1Cm76boJ/IE2I3s agzA== Subject: Re: Vocabulary of the looper References: <20120508085427.44110@gmx.net> From: Gmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: <20120508085427.44110@gmx.net> Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 05:06:40 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:06:46 +0000 (UTC) Lol i just simply want to understand some of the words they use lol I often h= ave trouble following a post because Im lost a lot of the time. Kaylon On May 8, 2012, at 1:54 AM, "Buzap Buzap" wrote: > Hi Kaylon >=20 >> dont know what people are talking about when they say stuff like "bed of t= exture" > It took me a while to figure out that >50% of the loopers here consider th= emselves somewhat "ambient musicians". I don't understand them either, but t= hey seem to like it when a song needs 20 minutes building up...=20 > Anyway, they are the majority here. So I recommend: Be nice to them and go= along with their vocabulary ;-)) >=20 > Buzap > --=20 > Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir > belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 12:08:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88CD1183462; Tue, 8 May 2012 12:08:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_50e70868-2eb2-449b-ada9-0519208ae04c_" X-Originating-IP: [62.7.183.6] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Vocabulary of the looper Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:08:57 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <20120508085427.44110@gmx.net>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2012 12:08:58.0175 (UTC) FILETIME=[58D75CF0:01CD2D13] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:08:59 +0000 (UTC) --_50e70868-2eb2-449b-ada9-0519208ae04c_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's easy - we just make them up! Peace G Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > Subject: Re: Vocabulary of the looper > From: k3zz21@gmail.com > Date: Tue=2C 8 May 2012 05:06:40 -0700 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > Lol i just simply want to understand some of the words they use lol I oft= en have trouble following a post because Im lost a lot of the time. >=20 > Kaylon >=20 > On May 8=2C 2012=2C at 1:54 AM=2C "Buzap Buzap" wrote: >=20 > > Hi Kaylon > >=20 > >> dont know what people are talking about when they say stuff like "bed = of texture" > > It took me a while to figure out that >50% of the loopers here consider= themselves somewhat "ambient musicians". I don't understand them either=2C= but they seem to like it when a song needs 20 minutes building up...=20 > > Anyway=2C they are the majority here. So I recommend: Be nice to them a= nd go along with their vocabulary =3B-)) > >=20 > > Buzap > > --=20 > > Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir > > belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50=2C- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.d= e > >=20 >=20 = --_50e70868-2eb2-449b-ada9-0519208ae04c_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It's easy - we just make them up!

Peace

G

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

>=3B Subject: Re: Vocabulary of the loo= per
>=3B From: k3zz21@gmail.com
>=3B Date: Tue=2C 8 May 2012 05:0= 6:40 -0700
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B
= >=3B Lol i just simply want to understand some of the words they use lol = I often have trouble following a post because Im lost a lot of the time.>=3B
>=3B Kaylon
>=3B
>=3B On May 8=2C 2012=2C at 1:54 = AM=2C "Buzap Buzap" <=3Bbuzap@gmx.net>=3B wrote:
>=3B
>=3B &= gt=3B Hi Kaylon
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B dont know what peo= ple are talking about when they say stuff like "bed of texture"
>=3B &= gt=3B It took me a while to figure out that >=3B50% of the loopers here c= onsider themselves somewhat "ambient musicians". I don't understand them ei= ther=2C but they seem to like it when a song needs 20 minutes building up..= .
>=3B >=3B Anyway=2C they are the majority here. So I recommend: B= e nice to them and go along with their vocabulary =3B-))
>=3B >=3B <= br>>=3B >=3B Buzap
>=3B >=3B --
>=3B >=3B Empfehlen Sie = GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir
>=3B >=3B belohnen Sie = mit bis zu 50=2C- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de
>=3B >= =3B
>=3B
= --_50e70868-2eb2-449b-ada9-0519208ae04c_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 12:12:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73B0D183462; Tue, 8 May 2012 12:12:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_0fe21924-f95a-4bb1-a98b-99f9958f72e1_" X-Originating-IP: [62.7.183.6] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: New track - The Great A'Tuin Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:12:30 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <20120508085427.44110@gmx.net>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2012 12:12:30.0787 (UTC) FILETIME=[D7916130:01CD2D13] Resent-Message-ID: <-1CRTB.A.MkG.w2QqPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:12:32 +0000 (UTC) --_0fe21924-f95a-4bb1-a98b-99f9958f72e1_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just uploaded my first looping track featuring the Boomerang 3.. WARNING - = HIGHLY AMBIENT - DO NOT LISTEN IF YOU ARE EASILY DISCOMBOBULATED!http://sou= ndcloud.com/garethwhittock/the-great-atuin Peace=2C Gareth Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > = --_0fe21924-f95a-4bb1-a98b-99f9958f72e1_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just uploaded my first looping track featuring the Boomerang 3.. =3BWARNING - HIGHLY AMBIENT - DO NOT LISTEN IF YOU ARE EASILY DISCOMBOBULATE= D!
http://soundcloud.com/garethwhittock/the-great-atuin

Peace=2C

Gareth

Gareth Whit= tock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

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= --_0fe21924-f95a-4bb1-a98b-99f9958f72e1_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 12:22:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C665B183461; Tue, 8 May 2012 12:22:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=vMoRhUMUEJFj1E74/NU8znycBhAY0MHfQVY7EG/Yaaw=; b=L4wCSR3bgLf9b7bDc5AckMaOYDBvykwMmstBRMcY5a3d17ggFUkTa2UQRqAAsQ3iL/ fpgKg6hRw1YQ1R3DcD/oONxOya53zYz75DY6VVzXia7uyZ7IaesA6woImc2aZb68Lwgy d4X1Vtxcolj3GjsFflLJtxCTB8FLRFR1s2n5LLd5viUyYLTDf5HGGU9O8zG4Ul8BWiPa mIsDzln9tk/ucMbGxUQ9Rin6DMWYpooXOJUp+tyvLOSAFrkDYkaU7v1nIGk6flMFjfyV cCXXboVLoBed9q8HHNr/QEJifycsvw9bYarbVpqwk7bFX36YgWNybc8jU5SXmrfJYgOp Z7vQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20120508085427.44110@gmx.net> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 14:22:32 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New track - The Great A'Tuin From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:22:33 +0000 (UTC) I was on my way out but just had to listen to learn what "DISCOMBOBULATED" means. But I found that I like the track, so I still haven't learned that word. Anyway, the music sounds like the Drone Zone stuff at Soma.fm; like "something else happening somewhere else". I dig that sparse and somewhat alienating feel. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > Just uploaded my first looping track featuring the Boomerang 3.. > WARNING - HIGHLY AMBIENT - DO NOT LISTEN IF YOU ARE EASILY DISCOMBOBULATED! > http://soundcloud.com/garethwhittock/the-great-atuin > > Peace, > > Gareth > > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 12:46:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83632183465; Tue, 8 May 2012 12:46:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_7f0bb493-6610-4996-977b-a79a58c705ac_" X-Originating-IP: [62.7.183.6] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: New track - The Great A'Tuin Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:46:10 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,<20120508085427.44110@gmx.net>,,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2012 12:46:10.0602 (UTC) FILETIME=[8B78B0A0:01CD2D18] Resent-Message-ID: <77E83B.A.VRH.UWRqPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:46:12 +0000 (UTC) --_7f0bb493-6610-4996-977b-a79a58c705ac_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hah! - yes - I have been trying to get deeply ambient=2C SomaFM-type textur= es from the guitar recently so your observation is spot on!Busted! :-) Peace G Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > Date: Tue=2C 8 May 2012 14:22:32 +0200 > Subject: Re: New track - The Great A'Tuin > From: perboysen@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > I was on my way out but just had to listen to learn what > "DISCOMBOBULATED" means. But I found that I like the track=2C so I still > haven't learned that word. Anyway=2C the music sounds like the Drone > Zone stuff at Soma.fm=3B like "something else happening somewhere else". > I dig that sparse and somewhat alienating feel. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 > On Tue=2C May 8=2C 2012 at 2:12 PM=2C Gareth Whittock > wrote: > > Just uploaded my first looping track featuring the Boomerang 3.. > > WARNING - HIGHLY AMBIENT - DO NOT LISTEN IF YOU ARE EASILY DISCOMBOBULA= TED! > > http://soundcloud.com/garethwhittock/the-great-atuin > > > > Peace=2C > > > > Gareth > > > > Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > > > >> >=20 = --_7f0bb493-6610-4996-977b-a79a58c705ac_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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= --_7f0bb493-6610-4996-977b-a79a58c705ac_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 13:02:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CCB5183461; Tue, 8 May 2012 13:02:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=eAq5r+zhSywlScKqaZ1YIQqKnHWSD6/I08S/UhCNkIA=; b=yQH4fBrpCPpE9O3ZFSfobCGoNk0pIQP/n/U7MYKaINafqGa1DXvM65jK3ms0PVGm6V A/0OxdCiKvJnFg56VGvuOic1SKm5Vr0LyBYe8y3lLqidaP6z6xj9zYxPZ1iP17Csv2Cs B7m14Jr0NkQqvOPqw8+v++3UGO4fAQsEpoEivPJuBpQBVudJ/0jy9WIX3U6npVLjTVaE reFj1ka02PzUElXUKJNiBBlP1LkrDYC+DnYBAAhoofETIFcmtnoTuDfeVfSpIUSeVF4I AM2G5BnVQ9nZUUcn8DYrLTdlG/lIr++5cGY42LBs3BHsbLPIT/LWIa8jKsaRZet5xt0d s2NQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 15:02:40 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding which tools From: Sergio Girardi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1e1646b226604bf8600b1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:02:41 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd1e1646b226604bf8600b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello everybody! I am Sergio from Italy, living in Germany. I am new here. So, first, a little introduction and explanation of what I want to do, then, at the bottom, the question... *About what I want to do:* since many many years I want to do music with mostly voice and loops. Finally it is the time. My project: *live performances* (so *real time is a MUST*) with *mostly voice* (sing, beatbox, human sounds, overtones, voice used to imitate instruments or to create atmospheres, body percussion), but also one or two *synths *(general purpose one, and a bassy one), maybe a *theremin*, some *percussions*, and other things which may produce an interesting sound or noise (from objects to harmonica, kazoo, etc), and of course some *effect processor* like Kaoss Pad 3, or *harmonizers/effects *like Digitech Vocalist Live 5, etc. Models? At the beginning none, it was just my idea. Now I know Ricoloop, Dub FX, Beardyman, and yes, I like all of them for what they are but none of them do all what I would like to do. Luckily :) Other model, Bauchklang, no loops but they do a very cool kind of group beatbox and I like their themes very much. Some of the slow ones, very atmosphere, are near to some of my ideas. *Questions:* 1) that is predictable and it is the only really important one now:* which looper?* I cannot decide between Boss *RC-300*, Electro Harmonix *2880*, and I now just found in a forum this Looperlative *LP1*. But I wonder if just even one or a couple of *Kaoss Pad 3* can be enough, or something else. So, please please please some quick feedback on any of them, or even better comparison, so that I can understand *what I can and cannot do with each one?* I have found somewhere once, maybe here, a comparison table but I cannot find it anymore and anyway it is a bit cryptic for someone who did not begin yet. If somebody tell me "you can bounce tracks, start them together, stop them together, mute the one you want, change the volume of each one" etc, I understand better :) 2) any idea about *which harmonizer* is better to put some effect to change my voice and to have more voices singing together? As I do not play keyboard or guitar, I do not need these complicated things which detect the chord etc. 3) Kaoss Pad 3 is apparently the best real time effect processor. But, some other ideas? Thanks a loop! Sergio --000e0cd1e1646b226604bf8600b1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello everybody!

I am Sergio from Italy, living in Germa= ny. I am new here.
So, first, a little introduction and explanati= on of what I want to do, then, at the bottom, the question...

About what I want to do:
since many = many years I want to do music with mostly voice and loops.
Finall= y it is the time.
My project:
live performances = (so real time is a MUST) with=A0mostly=A0voice (sing, beatbox= , human sounds, overtones, voice used to imitate instruments or to create= =A0atmospheres, body percussion), but also one or two synths (genera= l purpose one, and a bassy one), maybe a theremin, some percussio= ns, and other things which may produce an interesting sound or noise (f= rom objects to harmonica, kazoo, etc), and of course some effect process= or like Kaoss Pad 3, or harmonizers/effects=A0like Digitech Voca= list Live 5, etc.

Models? At the beginning none, it was just my idea. Now= I know Ricoloop, Dub FX,=A0Beardyman, and yes, I like all of them for what= they are but none of them do all what I would like to do. Luckily :)
Other model, Bauchklang, no loops but they do a very cool kind of grou= p beatbox and I like their themes very much. Some of the slow ones, very at= mosphere, are near to some of my ideas.

Ques= tions:
1) that is predictable and it is the only re= ally important one now: which looper? I cannot decide between Boss <= b>RC-300, Electro Harmonix 2880, and I now just found in a forum= this Looperlative LP1. But I wonder if just even one or a couple of= Kaoss Pad 3 can be enough, or something else.
So, please please please some quick feedback= on any of them, or even better comparison, so that I can understand =A0= what I can and cannot do with each one?
I have found somewhere once, maybe here, a comparison table but I cannot fi= nd it anymore and anyway it is a bit cryptic for someone who did not begin = yet. If somebody tell me "you can bounce tracks, start them together, = stop them together, mute the one you want, change the volume of each one&qu= ot; etc, I understand better :)
2) any idea about which harmonizer is= better to put some effect to change my voice and to have more voices singi= ng together? As I do not play keyboard or guitar, I do not need these compl= icated things which detect the chord etc.
3) Kaoss Pad 3 is apparently the best real t= ime effect processor. But, some other ideas?

Thanks a loop!

Sergio
--000e0cd1e1646b226604bf8600b1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 14:11:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 523FB183462; Tue, 8 May 2012 14:11:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=6jlhnR9xFY8HiAtJdcgs8C9GGnYVnkfMMa8bD2MwV0M=; b=dD65GO1MQJhK3pYlZ3wcEGdMPEEwjp9oCYf2yPaCT/kr87QQekMho9/9Fc29jbiSbG UiAR/8x84QEjUyrXOaTFDEd1BSVCzuX3umpfcT06QPLHDWBE4PSrYE5/NKRmx+txRXja 2FlyccZo6/D+zweNvUqwvt5GInZAMMI29CDPyjffC0T1YKQe26F/GIYSB1KSsviLnpId jXVlIaGQyHj3WXiVgBOYnnc3+QgByhFIh2VH//tSADCAY6UPvGAOGxgzY1qqv1+jPGTI 4FNKFn1DSPmWL0OYgOZlJdt9MzXaKDrshFoX90igZtKeqhV7ZzMRrPkwWJ0chOwhcSv6 FDww== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 10:11:40 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding which tools From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec55551202d5b5004bf86f742 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 14:11:41 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec55551202d5b5004bf86f742 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Sergio, is this the chart? http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php all the best! Jeff On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Sergio Girardi wrote: > Hello everybody! > > I am Sergio from Italy, living in Germany. I am new here. > So, first, a little introduction and explanation of what I want to do, > then, at the bottom, the question... > > *About what I want to do:* > since many many years I want to do music with mostly voice and loops. > Finally it is the time. > My project: > *live performances* (so *real time is a MUST*) with *mostly voice* (sing, > beatbox, human sounds, overtones, voice used to imitate instruments or to > create atmospheres, body percussion), but also one or two *synths *(general > purpose one, and a bassy one), maybe a *theremin*, some *percussions*, > and other things which may produce an interesting sound or noise (from > objects to harmonica, kazoo, etc), and of course some *effect processor*like Kaoss Pad 3, or > *harmonizers/effects *like Digitech Vocalist Live 5, etc. > > Models? At the beginning none, it was just my idea. Now I know Ricoloop, > Dub FX, Beardyman, and yes, I like all of them for what they are but none > of them do all what I would like to do. Luckily :) > Other model, Bauchklang, no loops but they do a very cool kind of group > beatbox and I like their themes very much. Some of the slow ones, very > atmosphere, are near to some of my ideas. > > *Questions:* > 1) that is predictable and it is the only really important one now:*which looper? > * I cannot decide between Boss *RC-300*, Electro Harmonix *2880*, and I > now just found in a forum this Looperlative *LP1*. But I wonder if just > even one or a couple of *Kaoss Pad 3* can be enough, or something else. > So, please please please some quick feedback on any of them, or even > better comparison, so that I can understand *what I can and cannot do > with each one?* > I have found somewhere once, maybe here, a comparison table but I cannot > find it anymore and anyway it is a bit cryptic for someone who did not > begin yet. If somebody tell me "you can bounce tracks, start them together, > stop them together, mute the one you want, change the volume of each one" > etc, I understand better :) > 2) any idea about *which harmonizer* is better to put some effect to > change my voice and to have more voices singing together? As I do not play > keyboard or guitar, I do not need these complicated things which detect the > chord etc. > 3) Kaoss Pad 3 is apparently the best real time effect processor. But, > some other ideas? > > Thanks a loop! > > Sergio > --bcaec55551202d5b5004bf86f742 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Sergio, is this the chart? http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php

all the best!
=
Jeff

On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 9:02 AM, = Sergio Girardi <simpliflying@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello everybody!

I am Ser= gio from Italy, living in Germany. I am new here.
So, first, a li= ttle introduction and explanation of what I want to do, then, at the bottom= , the question...

About what I want to do:
since many = many years I want to do music with mostly voice and loops.
Finall= y it is the time.
My project:
live performances = (so real time is a MUST) with=A0mostly=A0voice (sing, beatbox= , human sounds, overtones, voice used to imitate instruments or to create= =A0atmospheres, body percussion), but also one or two synths (genera= l purpose one, and a bassy one), maybe a theremin, some percussio= ns, and other things which may produce an interesting sound or noise (f= rom objects to harmonica, kazoo, etc), and of course some effect process= or like Kaoss Pad 3, or harmonizers/effects=A0like Digitech Voca= list Live 5, etc.

Models? At the beginning none, it was just my idea. Now= I know Ricoloop, Dub FX,=A0Beardyman, and yes, I like all of them for what= they are but none of them do all what I would like to do. Luckily :)
Other model, Bauchklang, no loops but they do a very cool kind of grou= p beatbox and I like their themes very much. Some of the slow ones, very at= mosphere, are near to some of my ideas.

Ques= tions:
1) that is predictable and it is the only re= ally important one now: which looper? I cannot decide between Boss <= b>RC-300, Electro Harmonix 2880, and I now just found in a forum= this Looperlative LP1. But I wonder if just even one or a couple of= Kaoss Pad 3 can be enough, or something else.
So, please please please some quick feedback= on any of them, or even better comparison, so that I can understand =A0= what I can and cannot do with each one?
I have found somewhere once, maybe here, a comparison table but I cannot fi= nd it anymore and anyway it is a bit cryptic for someone who did not begin = yet. If somebody tell me "you can bounce tracks, start them together, = stop them together, mute the one you want, change the volume of each one&qu= ot; etc, I understand better :)
2) any idea about which harmonizer is= better to put some effect to change my voice and to have more voices singi= ng together? As I do not play keyboard or guitar, I do not need these compl= icated things which detect the chord etc.
3) Kaoss Pad 3 is apparently the best real t= ime effect processor. But, some other ideas?

Thanks a loop!

Sergio

--bcaec55551202d5b5004bf86f742-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 15:19:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2707183463; Tue, 8 May 2012 15:19:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A0B0205.4FA93972.0201,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-libjamoibt: 1821 Message-ID: <8852708.3650521336490354766.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 17:19:14 +0200 (CEST) From: Massimo Liverani Reply-To: Massimo Liverani To: Subject: R: Re: New track - The Great A'Tuin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SenderIP: 85.47.237.138 X-libjamv: A9PkVL4+shc= X-libjamsun: bUWrLML4aocE923DPqaA+NfP7qzsXQPh Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 15:19:15 +0000 (UTC) ah yes! Per, i thought to drone soma.fm too! :-) it could be very suited for that radio, but i tihink that the fantastic thing is that Garreth has used only guitar+effetcts instead of synts and computers...or not? Max >----Messaggio originale---- >Da: perboysen@gmail.com >Data: 08/05/2012 14.22 >A: >Ogg: Re: New track - The Great A'Tuin > >I was on my way out but just had to listen to learn what >"DISCOMBOBULATED" means. But I found that I like the track, so I still >haven't learned that word. Anyway, the music sounds like the Drone >Zone stuff at Soma.fm; like "something else happening somewhere else". >I dig that sparse and somewhat alienating feel. > >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen >www.perboysen.com >http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > >On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Gareth Whittock > wrote: >> Just uploaded my first looping track featuring the Boomerang 3.. >> WARNING - HIGHLY AMBIENT - DO NOT LISTEN IF YOU ARE EASILY DISCOMBOBULATED! >> http://soundcloud.com/garethwhittock/the-great-atuin >> >> Peace, >> >> Gareth >> >> Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk >> >>> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 15:26:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98CC1183474; Tue, 8 May 2012 15:26:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 300 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 08 May 2012 15:26:35 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_94794d38-4c69-45fc-87fe-be077f381518_" X-Originating-IP: [217.92.188.169] From: Sergio G Sender: To: Subject: RE: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding which tools Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 15:21:32 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2012 15:21:34.0659 (UTC) FILETIME=[410AE130:01CD2D2E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 15:26:36 +0000 (UTC) --_94794d38-4c69-45fc-87fe-be077f381518_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Jeff! Yes :)And it is quite cryptic for me.If a musician who used loopers and kno= ws=2C sees this table=2C he can understand all. But I cannot :)Also=2C ther= e are strange things. For example=2C I thought with 2880 you had 4 tracks= =2C one more than rc-300 (which btw is not in the table)=2C but it says: "n= o multiple parallel loops. ONE loop may have four track."While in RC-50 say= s "3 parallel loops". SO I cannot understand the difference.Oh=2C damn=2C s= o the 2880 has got no undo??? Mmmmmmm. THat is bad because it means that ev= erytime instead of directing overdubbing a track I should before record on = another track and is I like it then merge. AM I right? :) Date: Tue=2C 8 May 2012 10:11:40 -0400 Subject: Re: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding which to= ols From: jeffloops@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Hi Sergio=2C is this the chart? http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php all the best! Jeff On Tue=2C May 8=2C 2012 at 9:02 AM=2C Sergio Girardi wrote: Hello everybody! I am Sergio from Italy=2C living in Germany. I am new here.So=2C first=2C a= little introduction and explanation of what I want to do=2C then=2C at the= bottom=2C the question... About what I want to do:since many many years I want to do music with mostl= y voice and loops.Finally it is the time.My project:live performances (so r= eal time is a MUST) with mostly voice (sing=2C beatbox=2C human sounds=2C o= vertones=2C voice used to imitate instruments or to create atmospheres=2C b= ody percussion)=2C but also one or two synths (general purpose one=2C and a= bassy one)=2C maybe a theremin=2C some percussions=2C and other things whi= ch may produce an interesting sound or noise (from objects to harmonica=2C = kazoo=2C etc)=2C and of course some effect processor like Kaoss Pad 3=2C or= harmonizers/effects like Digitech Vocalist Live 5=2C etc. Models? At the beginning none=2C it was just my idea. Now I know Ricoloop= =2C Dub FX=2C Beardyman=2C and yes=2C I like all of them for what they are = but none of them do all what I would like to do. Luckily :) Other model=2C Bauchklang=2C no loops but they do a very cool kind of group= beatbox and I like their themes very much. Some of the slow ones=2C very a= tmosphere=2C are near to some of my ideas. Questions: 1) that is predictable and it is the only really important one now: which l= ooper? I cannot decide between Boss RC-300=2C Electro Harmonix 2880=2C and = I now just found in a forum this Looperlative LP1. But I wonder if just eve= n one or a couple of Kaoss Pad 3 can be enough=2C or something else. So=2C please please please some quick feedback on any of them=2C or even be= tter comparison=2C so that I can understand what I can and cannot do with = each one? I have found somewhere once=2C maybe here=2C a comparison table but I canno= t find it anymore and anyway it is a bit cryptic for someone who did not be= gin yet. If somebody tell me "you can bounce tracks=2C start them together= =2C stop them together=2C mute the one you want=2C change the volume of eac= h one" etc=2C I understand better :) 2) any idea about which harmonizer is better to put some effect to change m= y voice and to have more voices singing together? As I do not play keyboard= or guitar=2C I do not need these complicated things which detect the chord= etc. 3) Kaoss Pad 3 is apparently the best real time effect processor. But=2C so= me other ideas? Thanks a loop! Sergio = --_94794d38-4c69-45fc-87fe-be077f381518_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Jeff!

Yes :)
And it is quite cryptic for= me.
If a musician who used loopers and knows=2C sees this table= =2C he can understand all. But I cannot :)
Also=2C there are stra= nge things. For example=2C I thought with 2880 you had 4 tracks=2C one more= than rc-300 (which btw is not in the table)=2C but it says: "no multiple p= arallel loops. ONE loop may have four track."
While in RC-50 says= "3 parallel loops". SO I cannot understand the difference.
Oh=2C= damn=2C so the 2880 has got no undo??? Mmmmmmm. THat is bad because it mea= ns that everytime instead of directing overdubbing a track I should before = record on another track and is I like it then merge. AM I right?
=
:)

=
Date: Tue=2C 8 May 2012 10:11:40 -0400
Subject: = Re: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding which tools
Fr= om: jeffloops@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

H= i Sergio=2C is this the chart? http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php
all the best!

Jeff

On Tue=2C = May 8=2C 2012 at 9:02 AM=2C Sergio Girardi <=3Bsimpliflying@gmail.com>=3B = wrote:
Hello everybody!

I am Sergio from Ital= y=2C living in Germany. I am new here.
So=2C first=2C a little in= troduction and explanation of what I want to do=2C then=2C at the bottom=2C= the question...

About what I want to do:
since many = many years I want to do music with mostly voice and loops.
Finall= y it is the time.
My project:
live performances = (so real time is a MUST) with =3Bmostly =3Bvoice (sin= g=2C beatbox=2C human sounds=2C overtones=2C voice used to imitate instrume= nts or to create =3Batmospheres=2C body percussion)=2C but also one or = two synths (general purpose one=2C and a bassy one)=2C maybe a th= eremin=2C some percussions=2C and other things which may produce= an interesting sound or noise (from objects to harmonica=2C kazoo=2C etc)= =2C and of course some effect processor like Kaoss Pad 3=2C or ha= rmonizers/effects =3Blike Digitech Vocalist Live 5=2C etc.

Models? At the beginning none=2C it was just my idea. N= ow I know Ricoloop=2C Dub FX=2C =3BBeardyman=2C and yes=2C I like all o= f them for what they are but none of them do all what I would like to do. L= uckily :)
Other model=2C Bauchklang=2C no loops but they do a very cool kind of = group beatbox and I like their themes very much. Some of the slow ones=2C v= ery atmosphere=2C are near to some of my ideas.

Questions:
1) that is predictable and it is the only re= ally important one now: which looper? I cannot decide between Boss <= b>RC-300=2C Electro Harmonix 2880=2C and I now just found in a f= orum this Looperlative LP1. But I wonder if just even one or a coupl= e of Kaoss Pad 3 can be enough=2C or something else.
So=2C please please please some quick feedba= ck on any of them=2C or even better comparison=2C so that I can understand =  =3Bwhat I can and cannot do with each one?
I have found somewhere once=2C maybe here=2C a comparison table but I canno= t find it anymore and anyway it is a bit cryptic for someone who did not be= gin yet. If somebody tell me "you can bounce tracks=2C start them together= =2C stop them together=2C mute the one you want=2C change the volume of eac= h one" etc=2C I understand better :)
2) any idea about which harmonizer is= better to put some effect to change my voice and to have more voices singi= ng together? As I do not play keyboard or guitar=2C I do not need these com= plicated things which detect the chord etc.
3) Kaoss Pad 3 is apparently the best real t= ime effect processor. But=2C some other ideas?

Thanks a loop!

Sergio

= --_94794d38-4c69-45fc-87fe-be077f381518_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 15:41:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20ABC183461; Tue, 8 May 2012 15:41:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=+36rmSFzL87yS2qpw/oZpFPos82gN0MdtFXZAkDq+H4=; b=HbO6EyU+4TyGrtNueqa6ts5QZxYKD/hnlvlxYaLOsTkGsVVR7LyCopSQ3y9JG6tZL5 IA+o5w8+TB4oqXuqUZKNjJJJPKvBQ6ScSaxNHpUnJuYpiFc7Yos4H5bHNJ5K36uI6VrO DCsN2zKxAk/UiyLhvjP75TlmiFUGrxTJ/LjWJQUe5V9NN5axuxdcNdVfqnzsyFlkFqoQ 2XUUXUdvXax0vQNqzBekr3eFFu/+d44eDMStSkJtPUNQQkOREBJ+QnYDH/ci1UFxBiGD 8I9JB6kRR4DeWkX2bMxCIirhKSLB/e5cTCnzLgMfJ9aQ8HtEYYZulhMqQs2eQ53ahJ58 WO6g== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8852708.3650521336490354766.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> References: <8852708.3650521336490354766.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 17:41:03 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: New track - The Great A'Tuin From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 15:41:04 +0000 (UTC) I don't see any point in what gear was used to produce certain music. What you hear is what you hear and that is the artist's channel to communicate through. If we start judging music by the instruments used to create it we would reduce visionary artists to athletes or cirkus freaks. Per On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Massimo Liverani wrote: > ah yes! Per, i thought to drone soma.fm too! :-) > > it could be very suited for that radio, but i tihink that the > fantastic thing is that Garreth has used only guitar+effetcts instead of > synts and computers...or not? > Max > >>----Messaggio originale---- >>Da: perboysen@gmail.com >>Data: 08/05/2012 14.22 >>A: >>Ogg: Re: New track - The Great A'Tuin >> >>I was on my way out but just had to listen to learn what >>"DISCOMBOBULATED" means. But I found that I like the track, so I still >>haven't learned that word. Anyway, the music sounds like the Drone >>Zone stuff at Soma.fm; like "something else happening somewhere else". >>I dig that sparse and somewhat alienating feel. >> >>Greetings from Sweden >> >>Per Boysen >>www.perboysen.com >>http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >>On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Gareth Whittock >> wrote: >>> Just uploaded my first looping track featuring the Boomerang 3.. >>> WARNING - HIGHLY AMBIENT - DO NOT LISTEN IF YOU ARE EASILY DISCOMBOBULATED! >>> http://soundcloud.com/garethwhittock/the-great-atuin >>> >>> Peace, >>> >>> Gareth >>> >>> Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk >>> >>>> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 15:49:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06420183479; Tue, 8 May 2012 15:49:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Fz0EoGtagjaJjMKHqg8ZjG3avqSIKtY5ip0qnWSg6Oo=; b=hTJTqgqSWd9EIXJLumvP4SE6sQG4WU7qyNg8sawn2VWHHwZMm3K/7S0y6uJFetTgE0 DUsR5h7IbFzj6uQmpOuY1u4MjudsbvVkPyTDDa0KOI2Dour2ZJKeKkODPAqhVf8Exkta 6dDnWlaCg9WnxNzSHp4/WM2IFjAVAktKfHDr8ck3oL7bVKcRdgQP3T7h0Cb8SlNxBc4g GepTHbbdetjc5Ry2dxqjUpK4/WyIhcfqTJmUghqn5nfmU3ciOqrZCK765131x2z6q00g 3MLQfm5RmuUlKjt+PRN9lgr3HUaUSoc+t5jOEdiWM+s+MLIgG/z6boBWhJacqcvgdzRi G7YQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 11:49:29 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding which tools From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9399c390774bb04bf8855ab Resent-Message-ID: <9Xa9wD.A.-fB.LCUqPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 15:49:31 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9399c390774bb04bf8855ab Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I use the 2880 but not the RC 300. The 2880 can record four separate parts (2 in stereo) but there is no independence. They will all be the same length/tempo and synced. It is more like a multi track recorder I guess. >From what I understand the RC 50/300 can do three independent loops of varying lengths and can be synced or not ( I think I am right on this). J On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Sergio G wrote: > Hello Jeff! > > Yes :) > And it is quite cryptic for me. > If a musician who used loopers and knows, sees this table, he can > understand all. But I cannot :) > Also, there are strange things. For example, I thought with 2880 you had 4 > tracks, one more than rc-300 (which btw is not in the table), but it says: > "no multiple parallel loops. ONE loop may have four track." > While in RC-50 says "3 parallel loops". SO I cannot understand the > difference. > Oh, damn, so the 2880 has got no undo??? Mmmmmmm. THat is bad because it > means that everytime instead of directing overdubbing a track I should > before record on another track and is I like it then merge. AM I right? > > :) > > ------------------------------ > Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 10:11:40 -0400 > Subject: Re: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding which > tools > From: jeffloops@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Hi Sergio, is this the chart? http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php > > all the best! > > Jeff > > On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Sergio Girardi wrote: > > Hello everybody! > > I am Sergio from Italy, living in Germany. I am new here. > So, first, a little introduction and explanation of what I want to do, > then, at the bottom, the question... > > *About what I want to do:* > since many many years I want to do music with mostly voice and loops. > Finally it is the time. > My project: > *live performances* (so *real time is a MUST*) with *mostly voice* (sing, > beatbox, human sounds, overtones, voice used to imitate instruments or to > create atmospheres, body percussion), but also one or two *synths *(general > purpose one, and a bassy one), maybe a *theremin*, some *percussions*, > and other things which may produce an interesting sound or noise (from > objects to harmonica, kazoo, etc), and of course some *effect processor*like Kaoss Pad 3, or > *harmonizers/effects *like Digitech Vocalist Live 5, etc. > > Models? At the beginning none, it was just my idea. Now I know Ricoloop, > Dub FX, Beardyman, and yes, I like all of them for what they are but none > of them do all what I would like to do. Luckily :) > Other model, Bauchklang, no loops but they do a very cool kind of group > beatbox and I like their themes very much. Some of the slow ones, very > atmosphere, are near to some of my ideas. > > *Questions:* > 1) that is predictable and it is the only really important one now:*which looper? > * I cannot decide between Boss *RC-300*, Electro Harmonix *2880*, and I > now just found in a forum this Looperlative *LP1*. But I wonder if just > even one or a couple of *Kaoss Pad 3* can be enough, or something else. > So, please please please some quick feedback on any of them, or even > better comparison, so that I can understand *what I can and cannot do > with each one?* > I have found somewhere once, maybe here, a comparison table but I cannot > find it anymore and anyway it is a bit cryptic for someone who did not > begin yet. If somebody tell me "you can bounce tracks, start them together, > stop them together, mute the one you want, change the volume of each one" > etc, I understand better :) > 2) any idea about *which harmonizer* is better to put some effect to > change my voice and to have more voices singing together? As I do not play > keyboard or guitar, I do not need these complicated things which detect the > chord etc. > 3) Kaoss Pad 3 is apparently the best real time effect processor. But, > some other ideas? > > Thanks a loop! > > Sergio > > > --14dae9399c390774bb04bf8855ab Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I use the 2880 but not the RC 300. The 2880 can record four separate parts = (2 in stereo) but there is no independence. They will all be the same lengt= h/tempo and synced. It is more like a multi track recorder I guess. From wh= at I understand the RC 50/300 can do three independent loops of varying len= gths and can be synced or not ( I think I am right on this).

J

On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Se= rgio G <simpliflying@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Jeff!

Yes :)
And it is quite cryptic for= me.
If a musician who used loopers and knows, sees this table, h= e can understand all. But I cannot :)
Also, there are strange thi= ngs. For example, I thought with 2880 you had 4 tracks, one more than rc-30= 0 (which btw is not in the table), but it says: "no multiple parallel = loops. ONE loop may have four track."
While in RC-50 says "3 parallel loops". SO I cannot understa= nd the difference.
Oh, damn, so the 2880 has got no undo??? Mmmmm= mm. THat is bad because it means that everytime instead of directing overdu= bbing a track I should before record on another track and is I like it then= merge. AM I right?

:)

Date: Tue, 8 May 2= 012 10:11:40 -0400
Subject: Re: "Mainly Vocal" looping perform= ances: help in deciding which tools
From: jeffloops@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Hi Sergio, is this the cha= rt? h= ttp://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php

all the best!

Jeff

On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 9:02 AM, S= ergio Girardi <simpliflying@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello eve= rybody!

I am Sergio from Italy, living in Germany. I am = new here.
So, first, a little introduction and explanation of wha= t I want to do, then, at the bottom, the question...

About what I want to do:
since many = many years I want to do music with mostly voice and loops.
Finall= y it is the time.
My project:
live performances = (so real time is a MUST) with=A0mostly=A0voice (sing, beatbox= , human sounds, overtones, voice used to imitate instruments or to create= =A0atmospheres, body percussion), but also one or two synths (genera= l purpose one, and a bassy one), maybe a theremin, some percussio= ns, and other things which may produce an interesting sound or noise (f= rom objects to harmonica, kazoo, etc), and of course some effect process= or like Kaoss Pad 3, or harmonizers/effects=A0like Digitech Voca= list Live 5, etc.

Models? At the beginning none, it was just my idea. Now= I know Ricoloop, Dub FX,=A0Beardyman, and yes, I like all of them for what= they are but none of them do all what I would like to do. Luckily :)
Other model, Bauchklang, no loops but they do a very cool kind of grou= p beatbox and I like their themes very much. Some of the slow ones, very at= mosphere, are near to some of my ideas.

Ques= tions:
1) that is predictable and it is the only re= ally important one now: which looper? I cannot decide between Boss <= b>RC-300, Electro Harmonix 2880, and I now just found in a forum= this Looperlative LP1. But I wonder if just even one or a couple of= Kaoss Pad 3 can be enough, or something else.
So, please please please some quick feedback= on any of them, or even better comparison, so that I can understand =A0= what I can and cannot do with each one?
I have found somewhere once, maybe here, a comparison table but I cannot fi= nd it anymore and anyway it is a bit cryptic for someone who did not begin = yet. If somebody tell me "you can bounce tracks, start them together, = stop them together, mute the one you want, change the volume of each one&qu= ot; etc, I understand better :)
2) any idea about which harmonizer is= better to put some effect to change my voice and to have more voices singi= ng together? As I do not play keyboard or guitar, I do not need these compl= icated things which detect the chord etc.
3) Kaoss Pad 3 is apparently the best real t= ime effect processor. But, some other ideas?

Thanks a loop!

Sergio


--14dae9399c390774bb04bf8855ab-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 15:57:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E05D9183473; Tue, 8 May 2012 15:57:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 300 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 08 May 2012 15:57:05 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_a6666fc2-ad70-4641-bd3a-2be354da4aa8_" X-Originating-IP: [217.92.188.169] From: Sergio G Sender: To: Subject: RE: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding which tools Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 15:52:03 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2012 15:52:04.0543 (UTC) FILETIME=[83BD04F0:01CD2D32] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 15:57:05 +0000 (UTC) --_a6666fc2-ad70-4641-bd3a-2be354da4aa8_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Aaaaand: I just found boomerang III. But=2C mmm=2C not sold in Europe. Look= interesting.Ok. Calm down and wait for expert loopers suggestions and feed= backs.:) From: simpliflying@gmail.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding which to= ols Date: Tue=2C 8 May 2012 15:21:32 +0000 Hello Jeff! Yes :)And it is quite cryptic for me.If a musician who used loopers and kno= ws=2C sees this table=2C he can understand all. But I cannot :)Also=2C ther= e are strange things. For example=2C I thought with 2880 you had 4 tracks= =2C one more than rc-300 (which btw is not in the table)=2C but it says: "n= o multiple parallel loops. ONE loop may have four track."While in RC-50 say= s "3 parallel loops". SO I cannot understand the difference.Oh=2C damn=2C s= o the 2880 has got no undo??? Mmmmmmm. THat is bad because it means that ev= erytime instead of directing overdubbing a track I should before record on = another track and is I like it then merge. AM I right? :) Date: Tue=2C 8 May 2012 10:11:40 -0400 Subject: Re: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding which to= ols From: jeffloops@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Hi Sergio=2C is this the chart? http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php all the best! Jeff On Tue=2C May 8=2C 2012 at 9:02 AM=2C Sergio Girardi wrote: Hello everybody! I am Sergio from Italy=2C living in Germany. I am new here.So=2C first=2C a= little introduction and explanation of what I want to do=2C then=2C at the= bottom=2C the question... About what I want to do:since many many years I want to do music with mostl= y voice and loops.Finally it is the time.My project:live performances (so r= eal time is a MUST) with mostly voice (sing=2C beatbox=2C human sounds=2C o= vertones=2C voice used to imitate instruments or to create atmospheres=2C b= ody percussion)=2C but also one or two synths (general purpose one=2C and a= bassy one)=2C maybe a theremin=2C some percussions=2C and other things whi= ch may produce an interesting sound or noise (from objects to harmonica=2C = kazoo=2C etc)=2C and of course some effect processor like Kaoss Pad 3=2C or= harmonizers/effects like Digitech Vocalist Live 5=2C etc. Models? At the beginning none=2C it was just my idea. Now I know Ricoloop= =2C Dub FX=2C Beardyman=2C and yes=2C I like all of them for what they are = but none of them do all what I would like to do. Luckily :) Other model=2C Bauchklang=2C no loops but they do a very cool kind of group= beatbox and I like their themes very much. Some of the slow ones=2C very a= tmosphere=2C are near to some of my ideas. Questions: 1) that is predictable and it is the only really important one now: which l= ooper? I cannot decide between Boss RC-300=2C Electro Harmonix 2880=2C and = I now just found in a forum this Looperlative LP1. But I wonder if just eve= n one or a couple of Kaoss Pad 3 can be enough=2C or something else. So=2C please please please some quick feedback on any of them=2C or even be= tter comparison=2C so that I can understand what I can and cannot do with = each one? I have found somewhere once=2C maybe here=2C a comparison table but I canno= t find it anymore and anyway it is a bit cryptic for someone who did not be= gin yet. If somebody tell me "you can bounce tracks=2C start them together= =2C stop them together=2C mute the one you want=2C change the volume of eac= h one" etc=2C I understand better :) 2) any idea about which harmonizer is better to put some effect to change m= y voice and to have more voices singing together? As I do not play keyboard= or guitar=2C I do not need these complicated things which detect the chord= etc. 3) Kaoss Pad 3 is apparently the best real time effect processor. But=2C so= me other ideas? Thanks a loop! Sergio = --_a6666fc2-ad70-4641-bd3a-2be354da4aa8_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Aaaaand: I just found boomerang III. But=2C mmm=2C not sold in Europe. Look= interesting.
Ok. Calm down and wait for expert loopers suggestions and= feedbacks.
:)

=
From: simpliflying@gmail.com
To: loopers-delight= @loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: h= elp in deciding which tools
Date: Tue=2C 8 May 2012 15:21:32 +0000
Hello Jeff!

Yes :)
And it is quite cryptic for= me.
If a musician who used loopers and knows=2C sees this table= =2C he can understand all. But I cannot :)
Also=2C there are stra= nge things. For example=2C I thought with 2880 you had 4 tracks=2C one more= than rc-300 (which btw is not in the table)=2C but it says: "no multiple p= arallel loops. ONE loop may have four track."
While in RC-50 says= "3 parallel loops". SO I cannot understand the difference.
Oh=2C= damn=2C so the 2880 has got no undo??? Mmmmmmm. THat is bad because it mea= ns that everytime instead of directing overdubbing a track I should before = record on another track and is I like it then merge. AM I right?
=
:)

Date: Tue=2C 8 May 2012 10:11:40 -0400
Sub= ject: Re: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding which tools=
From: jeffloops@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Hi Sergio=2C is this the chart? http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php=

all the best!

Jeff

On T= ue=2C May 8=2C 2012 at 9:02 AM=2C Sergio Girardi <=3Bsimpliflying@gmail.com>=3B wrote:
Hello everybody!

I am Sergio from Ital= y=2C living in Germany. I am new here.
So=2C first=2C a little in= troduction and explanation of what I want to do=2C then=2C at the bottom=2C= the question...

About what I want to do:
since many = many years I want to do music with mostly voice and loops.
Finall= y it is the time.
My project:
live performances = (so real time is a MUST) with =3Bmostly =3Bvoice (sin= g=2C beatbox=2C human sounds=2C overtones=2C voice used to imitate instrume= nts or to create =3Batmospheres=2C body percussion)=2C but also one or = two synths (general purpose one=2C and a bassy one)=2C maybe a th= eremin=2C some percussions=2C and other things which may produce= an interesting sound or noise (from objects to harmonica=2C kazoo=2C etc)= =2C and of course some effect processor like Kaoss Pad 3=2C or ha= rmonizers/effects =3Blike Digitech Vocalist Live 5=2C etc.

Models? At the beginning none=2C it was just my idea. N= ow I know Ricoloop=2C Dub FX=2C =3BBeardyman=2C and yes=2C I like all o= f them for what they are but none of them do all what I would like to do. L= uckily :)
Other model=2C Bauchklang=2C no loops but they do a very cool kind of = group beatbox and I like their themes very much. Some of the slow ones=2C v= ery atmosphere=2C are near to some of my ideas.

Questions:
1) that is predictable and it is the only re= ally important one now: which looper? I cannot decide between Boss <= b>RC-300=2C Electro Harmonix 2880=2C and I now just found in a f= orum this Looperlative LP1. But I wonder if just even one or a coupl= e of Kaoss Pad 3 can be enough=2C or something else.
So=2C please please please some quick feedba= ck on any of them=2C or even better comparison=2C so that I can understand =  =3Bwhat I can and cannot do with each one?
I have found somewhere once=2C maybe here=2C a comparison table but I canno= t find it anymore and anyway it is a bit cryptic for someone who did not be= gin yet. If somebody tell me "you can bounce tracks=2C start them together= =2C stop them together=2C mute the one you want=2C change the volume of eac= h one" etc=2C I understand better :)
2) any idea about which harmonizer is= better to put some effect to change my voice and to have more voices singi= ng together? As I do not play keyboard or guitar=2C I do not need these com= plicated things which detect the chord etc.
3) Kaoss Pad 3 is apparently the best real t= ime effect processor. But=2C some other ideas?

Thanks a loop!

Sergio

= --_a6666fc2-ad70-4641-bd3a-2be354da4aa8_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 15:58:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E591183486; Tue, 8 May 2012 15:58:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=CfVcGS21OBYt/gDR2zn5VTPH+qNLXsXsvkMuumph5F8=; b=XoZnA6C9VVKYU9abu/KO/JY2KPUdGTMlQaIC0ebEsJo6/W/3k8+YwIFww/yrVr41K8 RnKqNNV0VfB75/rG72CwkfMYeaUoOu78l1MOVCiVRJYDY2KR7AObt1paF+ta16mhGFwU tiMDYyVLQam9/qOKu397AAWddGMQnO+IBPZDmxMbMPAc3jyNTEKsitspFb0oSfrGnZqp VvNfgfGuk8v88FJ/EzHokajDwkVX1lxieBDCONxkDqWZnihr1BtWIYhwr1yBGWszaiLi s/ysQCJe47hOYByKTb5shZfIXLPdQ8Sb/BCm5aEY0Sac/RK7vQTxQyXthBlAY2fhg6F3 ZbYA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <8852708.3650521336490354766.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 08:58:30 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: New track - The Great A'Tuin From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <8WNp7.A.IxB.oKUqPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 15:58:32 +0000 (UTC) But I for one want to know what kind of click track a particular artist fol= lows. Way to shut down the discussion Per :-) On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > I don't see any point in what gear was used to produce certain music. > What you hear is what you hear and that is the artist's channel to > communicate through. If we start judging music by the instruments used > to create it we would reduce visionary artists to athletes or cirkus > freaks. > > Per > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 16:01:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29B99183489; Tue, 8 May 2012 16:01:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xxLeZNywCUMwXG4ac5arJ13SAxc7FVK6A4KiNazVXws=; b=L7ClX4R8HffCkTY7NFLS9vCqqxkmw1+PQNtHPw+AwGQ/FgLoP8j74u14XnZa0Y3Yw1 u2IPRhls8Q53OUvv0W/4qofQ5+nMvdu+Lm+FjhiWkEuKI+6ykWiXWDo9WxlzkLHR40xk YCi3qDF2hH40H5pHJL3Snpm92GesC9gDuIolPOEqJrUQC0kzcG0cVVfrHJZ+p080mYke CWT6JucGT2O3SGb2KW2HC6grUK0HxP2qhB9RbL7TlyU/1lh8TymBVzlryKRvFHlsBizq 8bj5KKUcB0HFiNqfPSU9/oE80YlVssRpBP+vz4Fvg07CjDko1JCGvlRcrv4/yHJvrsW+ cjUw== Message-ID: <4FA9435F.9040306@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 18:01:35 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding which tools References: , In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-w5kjB.A.S3B.aNUqPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 16:01:30 +0000 (UTC) The sport is called requirements engineering, and it's not that much fun (at least for most musicians ;). Seriously, though, I generally see two ways to go: 1. find out what exactly you need, then get the device which comes closest. This is (in theory) the cheapest version, but then again, how would you know: do you need independent parallel loops (such as the LP1 offers), or are you happy with one loop with multiple tracks (e.g. 2880, Repeater OS 1.x). Do you really need multiple tracks, or is your music built in a way that you can use undo/redo to accomplish the same? Do you ever intend to use variable feedback (this is an important one)? Maybe you don't know the answer to all those questions, but luckily, there's another way: 2. get a looper which is cheap and play with it. Find its limits. Look which functions/features you use the most, and which you don't. Then, based on that, find out which device you really need - and sell the first one (or keep it because by now, you've come to like it). There's a lot of loopers out there which come in cheaply (especially if they got replaced by more advanced models. Boss DD20 and Line6 DL4 can be had for around €150 - and a great many accomplished loopers have done things using just one of them or maybe a pair (examples for DL4: Rick Walker, Matt Davignon, Matt Stevens - for DD20: Jeff Duke, Ted Killian and I assume many more). Yours, Rainer (who believes in the power of Möbius, still sometimes uses simple loopers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY8iXR6grc4 loopers in the setup included Boss DD20, Line6 M9, EH SMM w/Hazari and Korg KP3 - don't know which one I used on this, but I think it was the Boss) Sergio G schrieb: > Hello Jeff! > > Yes :) > And it is quite cryptic for me. > If a musician who used loopers and knows, sees this table, he can > understand all. But I cannot :) > Also, there are strange things. For example, I thought with 2880 you > had 4 tracks, one more than rc-300 (which btw is not in the table), > but it says: "no multiple parallel loops. ONE loop may have four track." > While in RC-50 says "3 parallel loops". SO I cannot understand the > difference. > Oh, damn, so the 2880 has got no undo??? Mmmmmmm. THat is bad because > it means that everytime instead of directing overdubbing a track I > should before record on another track and is I like it then merge. AM > I right? > > :) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 10:11:40 -0400 > Subject: Re: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding > which tools > From: jeffloops@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Hi Sergio, is this the chart? http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php > > all the best! > > Jeff > > On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Sergio Girardi > wrote: > > Hello everybody! > > I am Sergio from Italy, living in Germany. I am new here. > So, first, a little introduction and explanation of what I want to > do, then, at the bottom, the question... > > *_About what I want to do:_* > since many many years I want to do music with mostly voice and loops. > Finally it is the time. > My project: > *live performances* (so *real time is a MUST*) with *mostly voice* > (sing, beatbox, human sounds, overtones, voice used to imitate > instruments or to create atmospheres, body percussion), but also > one or two *synths *(general purpose one, and a bassy one), maybe > a *theremin*, some *percussions*, and other things which may > produce an interesting sound or noise (from objects to harmonica, > kazoo, etc), and of course some *effect processor* like Kaoss Pad > 3, or *harmonizers/effects *like Digitech Vocalist Live 5, etc. > > Models? At the beginning none, it was just my idea. Now I know > Ricoloop, Dub FX, Beardyman, and yes, I like all of them for what > they are but none of them do all what I would like to do. Luckily :) > Other model, Bauchklang, no loops but they do a very cool kind of > group beatbox and I like their themes very much. Some of the slow > ones, very atmosphere, are near to some of my ideas. > > *_Questions:_* > 1) that is predictable and it is the only really important one > now:* which looper?* I cannot decide between Boss *RC-300*, > Electro Harmonix *2880*, and I now just found in a forum this > Looperlative *LP1*. But I wonder if just even one or a couple of > *Kaoss Pad 3* can be enough, or something else. > So, please please please some quick feedback on any of them, or > even better comparison, so that I can understand *what I can and > cannot do with each one?* > I have found somewhere once, maybe here, a comparison table but I > cannot find it anymore and anyway it is a bit cryptic for someone > who did not begin yet. If somebody tell me "you can bounce tracks, > start them together, stop them together, mute the one you want, > change the volume of each one" etc, I understand better :) > 2) any idea about *which harmonizer* is better to put some effect > to change my voice and to have more voices singing together? As I > do not play keyboard or guitar, I do not need these complicated > things which detect the chord etc. > 3) Kaoss Pad 3 is apparently the best real time effect processor. > But, some other ideas? > > Thanks a loop! > > Sergio > > -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 16:05:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBDC9183486; Tue, 8 May 2012 16:05:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_9b855d03-0e29-44a1-99be-0acf35303439_" X-Originating-IP: [217.92.188.169] From: Sergio G Sender: To: Subject: RE: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding which tools Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 16:05:40 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2012 16:05:42.0625 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B5A6D10:01CD2D34] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 16:05:43 +0000 (UTC) --_9b855d03-0e29-44a1-99be-0acf35303439_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So=2C if I understood well (with the mind=2C without practical experience w= ith loopers): with the Boss=2C I can record a long loop=2C and then a short= three notes bass line which would repeat itself more times while the long = loop will repeat just once=2C correct? WHile if in the 2880 I record a 30 s= econd pattern and then I want a three note bass playing all the time=2C I h= ave to repeat it till it fill the 30??? Damn this is quite complicated then= .If it is like that and there is no undo=2C i only have two possibilities: = rc-300 and smile=2C or looperlative and cry (so damn expensive!!!).Mumble.:= ) Date: Tue=2C 8 May 2012 11:49:29 -0400 Subject: Re: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding which to= ols From: jeffloops@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com I use the 2880 but not the RC 300. The 2880 can record four separate parts = (2 in stereo) but there is no independence. They will all be the same lengt= h/tempo and synced. It is more like a multi track recorder I guess. From wh= at I understand the RC 50/300 can do three independent loops of varying len= gths and can be synced or not ( I think I am right on this). J On Tue=2C May 8=2C 2012 at 11:21 AM=2C Sergio G wr= ote: Hello Jeff! Yes :)And it is quite cryptic for me.If a musician who used loopers and kno= ws=2C sees this table=2C he can understand all. But I cannot :)Also=2C ther= e are strange things. For example=2C I thought with 2880 you had 4 tracks= =2C one more than rc-300 (which btw is not in the table)=2C but it says: "n= o multiple parallel loops. ONE loop may have four track." While in RC-50 says "3 parallel loops". SO I cannot understand the differen= ce.Oh=2C damn=2C so the 2880 has got no undo??? Mmmmmmm. THat is bad becaus= e it means that everytime instead of directing overdubbing a track I should= before record on another track and is I like it then merge. AM I right? :) Date: Tue=2C 8 May 2012 10:11:40 -0400 Subject: Re: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding which to= ols From: jeffloops@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Hi Sergio=2C is this the chart? http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php all the best! Jeff On Tue=2C May 8=2C 2012 at 9:02 AM=2C Sergio Girardi wrote: Hello everybody! I am Sergio from Italy=2C living in Germany. I am new here.So=2C first=2C a= little introduction and explanation of what I want to do=2C then=2C at the= bottom=2C the question... About what I want to do:since many many years I want to do music with mostl= y voice and loops.Finally it is the time.My project:live performances (so r= eal time is a MUST) with mostly voice (sing=2C beatbox=2C human sounds=2C o= vertones=2C voice used to imitate instruments or to create atmospheres=2C b= ody percussion)=2C but also one or two synths (general purpose one=2C and a= bassy one)=2C maybe a theremin=2C some percussions=2C and other things whi= ch may produce an interesting sound or noise (from objects to harmonica=2C = kazoo=2C etc)=2C and of course some effect processor like Kaoss Pad 3=2C or= harmonizers/effects like Digitech Vocalist Live 5=2C etc. Models? At the beginning none=2C it was just my idea. Now I know Ricoloop= =2C Dub FX=2C Beardyman=2C and yes=2C I like all of them for what they are = but none of them do all what I would like to do. Luckily :) Other model=2C Bauchklang=2C no loops but they do a very cool kind of group= beatbox and I like their themes very much. Some of the slow ones=2C very a= tmosphere=2C are near to some of my ideas. Questions: 1) that is predictable and it is the only really important one now: which l= ooper? I cannot decide between Boss RC-300=2C Electro Harmonix 2880=2C and = I now just found in a forum this Looperlative LP1. But I wonder if just eve= n one or a couple of Kaoss Pad 3 can be enough=2C or something else. So=2C please please please some quick feedback on any of them=2C or even be= tter comparison=2C so that I can understand what I can and cannot do with = each one? I have found somewhere once=2C maybe here=2C a comparison table but I canno= t find it anymore and anyway it is a bit cryptic for someone who did not be= gin yet. If somebody tell me "you can bounce tracks=2C start them together= =2C stop them together=2C mute the one you want=2C change the volume of eac= h one" etc=2C I understand better :) 2) any idea about which harmonizer is better to put some effect to change m= y voice and to have more voices singing together? As I do not play keyboard= or guitar=2C I do not need these complicated things which detect the chord= etc. 3) Kaoss Pad 3 is apparently the best real time effect processor. But=2C so= me other ideas? Thanks a loop! Sergio =20 = --_9b855d03-0e29-44a1-99be-0acf35303439_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
So=2C if I understood well (with the mind=2C without practical experience w= ith loopers): with the Boss=2C I can record a long loop=2C and then a short= three notes bass line which would repeat itself more times while the long = loop will repeat just once=2C correct? WHile if in the 2880 I record a 30 s= econd pattern and then I want a three note bass playing all the time=2C I h= ave to repeat it till it fill the 30??? Damn this is quite complicated then= .
If it is like that and there is no undo=2C i only have two possibilit= ies: rc-300 and smile=2C or looperlative and cry (so damn expensive!!!).
Mumble.
:)

Date: Tue=2C 8 May 2012 11:49:29 -0400
Subje= ct: Re: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding which toolsFrom: jeffloops@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
<= br>I use the 2880 but not the RC 300. The 2880 can record four separate par= ts (2 in stereo) but there is no independence. They will all be the same le= ngth/tempo and synced. It is more like a multi track recorder I guess. From= what I understand the RC 50/300 can do three independent loops of varying = lengths and can be synced or not ( I think I am right on this).

J

On Tue=2C May 8=2C 2012 at 11:21= AM=2C Sergio G <=3Bsimpliflying@gmail.com>=3B wrote:
Hello Jeff!

Yes :)
And it is quite cryptic for= me.
If a musician who used loopers and knows=2C sees this table= =2C he can understand all. But I cannot :)
Also=2C there are stra= nge things. For example=2C I thought with 2880 you had 4 tracks=2C one more= than rc-300 (which btw is not in the table)=2C but it says: "no multiple p= arallel loops. ONE loop may have four track."
While in RC-50 says "3 parallel loops". SO I cannot understand the dif= ference.
Oh=2C damn=2C so the 2880 has got no undo??? Mmmmmmm. TH= at is bad because it means that everytime instead of directing overdubbing = a track I should before record on another track and is I like it then merge= . AM I right?

:)

Date: Tue=2C 8 May= 2012 10:11:40 -0400
Subject: Re: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: h= elp in deciding which tools
From: jeffloops@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@= loopers-delight.com

Hi Sergio=2C is this the chart? http://www.loopro= om.com/looperchart.php

all the best!

Jeff

On Tue=2C May 8=2C 2012 at 9:02 A= M=2C Sergio Girardi <=3Bsimpliflying@gmail.com>=3B wrote:
Hello e= verybody!

I am Sergio from Italy=2C living in Germany. I= am new here.
So=2C first=2C a little introduction and explanatio= n of what I want to do=2C then=2C at the bottom=2C the question...

About what I want to do:
since many = many years I want to do music with mostly voice and loops.
Finall= y it is the time.
My project:
live performances = (so real time is a MUST) with =3Bmostly =3Bvoice (sin= g=2C beatbox=2C human sounds=2C overtones=2C voice used to imitate instrume= nts or to create =3Batmospheres=2C body percussion)=2C but also one or = two synths (general purpose one=2C and a bassy one)=2C maybe a th= eremin=2C some percussions=2C and other things which may produce= an interesting sound or noise (from objects to harmonica=2C kazoo=2C etc)= =2C and of course some effect processor like Kaoss Pad 3=2C or ha= rmonizers/effects =3Blike Digitech Vocalist Live 5=2C etc.

Models? At the beginning none=2C it was just my idea. N= ow I know Ricoloop=2C Dub FX=2C =3BBeardyman=2C and yes=2C I like all o= f them for what they are but none of them do all what I would like to do. L= uckily :)
Other model=2C Bauchklang=2C no loops but they do a very cool kind of = group beatbox and I like their themes very much. Some of the slow ones=2C v= ery atmosphere=2C are near to some of my ideas.

Questions:
1) that is predictable and it is the only re= ally important one now: which looper? I cannot decide between Boss <= b>RC-300=2C Electro Harmonix 2880=2C and I now just found in a f= orum this Looperlative LP1. But I wonder if just even one or a coupl= e of Kaoss Pad 3 can be enough=2C or something else.
So=2C please please please some quick feedba= ck on any of them=2C or even better comparison=2C so that I can understand =  =3Bwhat I can and cannot do with each one?
I have found somewhere once=2C maybe here=2C a comparison table but I canno= t find it anymore and anyway it is a bit cryptic for someone who did not be= gin yet. If somebody tell me "you can bounce tracks=2C start them together= =2C stop them together=2C mute the one you want=2C change the volume of eac= h one" etc=2C I understand better :)
2) any idea about which harmonizer is= better to put some effect to change my voice and to have more voices singi= ng together? As I do not play keyboard or guitar=2C I do not need these com= plicated things which detect the chord etc.
3) Kaoss Pad 3 is apparently the best real t= ime effect processor. But=2C some other ideas?

Thanks a loop!
=

Sergio


= --_9b855d03-0e29-44a1-99be-0acf35303439_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 16:13:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49743183473; Tue, 8 May 2012 16:13:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_843ad17a-edf2-4c22-aadc-60ee5887824f_" X-Originating-IP: [217.92.188.169] From: Sergio G Sender: To: Subject: RE: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding which tools Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 16:13:23 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,,,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2012 16:13:23.0728 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E312900:01CD2D35] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 16:13:25 +0000 (UTC) --_843ad17a-edf2-4c22-aadc-60ee5887824f_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh=2C I forgot=2C I can still decide to import from USA a Boomerang II. Fee= dbacks? Loops of same lenght as 2880 or not?Other things? From: simpliflying@gmail.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding which to= ols Date: Tue=2C 8 May 2012 16:05:40 +0000 So=2C if I understood well (with the mind=2C without practical experience w= ith loopers): with the Boss=2C I can record a long loop=2C and then a short= three notes bass line which would repeat itself more times while the long = loop will repeat just once=2C correct? WHile if in the 2880 I record a 30 s= econd pattern and then I want a three note bass playing all the time=2C I h= ave to repeat it till it fill the 30??? Damn this is quite complicated then= .If it is like that and there is no undo=2C i only have two possibilities: = rc-300 and smile=2C or looperlative and cry (so damn expensive!!!).Mumble.:= ) Date: Tue=2C 8 May 2012 11:49:29 -0400 Subject: Re: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding which to= ols From: jeffloops@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com I use the 2880 but not the RC 300. The 2880 can record four separate parts = (2 in stereo) but there is no independence. They will all be the same lengt= h/tempo and synced. It is more like a multi track recorder I guess. From wh= at I understand the RC 50/300 can do three independent loops of varying len= gths and can be synced or not ( I think I am right on this). J On Tue=2C May 8=2C 2012 at 11:21 AM=2C Sergio G wr= ote: Hello Jeff! Yes :)And it is quite cryptic for me.If a musician who used loopers and kno= ws=2C sees this table=2C he can understand all. But I cannot :)Also=2C ther= e are strange things. For example=2C I thought with 2880 you had 4 tracks= =2C one more than rc-300 (which btw is not in the table)=2C but it says: "n= o multiple parallel loops. ONE loop may have four track." While in RC-50 says "3 parallel loops". SO I cannot understand the differen= ce.Oh=2C damn=2C so the 2880 has got no undo??? Mmmmmmm. THat is bad becaus= e it means that everytime instead of directing overdubbing a track I should= before record on another track and is I like it then merge. AM I right? :) Date: Tue=2C 8 May 2012 10:11:40 -0400 Subject: Re: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding which to= ols From: jeffloops@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Hi Sergio=2C is this the chart? http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php all the best! Jeff On Tue=2C May 8=2C 2012 at 9:02 AM=2C Sergio Girardi wrote: Hello everybody! I am Sergio from Italy=2C living in Germany. I am new here.So=2C first=2C a= little introduction and explanation of what I want to do=2C then=2C at the= bottom=2C the question... About what I want to do:since many many years I want to do music with mostl= y voice and loops.Finally it is the time.My project:live performances (so r= eal time is a MUST) with mostly voice (sing=2C beatbox=2C human sounds=2C o= vertones=2C voice used to imitate instruments or to create atmospheres=2C b= ody percussion)=2C but also one or two synths (general purpose one=2C and a= bassy one)=2C maybe a theremin=2C some percussions=2C and other things whi= ch may produce an interesting sound or noise (from objects to harmonica=2C = kazoo=2C etc)=2C and of course some effect processor like Kaoss Pad 3=2C or= harmonizers/effects like Digitech Vocalist Live 5=2C etc. Models? At the beginning none=2C it was just my idea. Now I know Ricoloop= =2C Dub FX=2C Beardyman=2C and yes=2C I like all of them for what they are = but none of them do all what I would like to do. Luckily :) Other model=2C Bauchklang=2C no loops but they do a very cool kind of group= beatbox and I like their themes very much. Some of the slow ones=2C very a= tmosphere=2C are near to some of my ideas. Questions: 1) that is predictable and it is the only really important one now: which l= ooper? I cannot decide between Boss RC-300=2C Electro Harmonix 2880=2C and = I now just found in a forum this Looperlative LP1. But I wonder if just eve= n one or a couple of Kaoss Pad 3 can be enough=2C or something else. So=2C please please please some quick feedback on any of them=2C or even be= tter comparison=2C so that I can understand what I can and cannot do with = each one? I have found somewhere once=2C maybe here=2C a comparison table but I canno= t find it anymore and anyway it is a bit cryptic for someone who did not be= gin yet. If somebody tell me "you can bounce tracks=2C start them together= =2C stop them together=2C mute the one you want=2C change the volume of eac= h one" etc=2C I understand better :) 2) any idea about which harmonizer is better to put some effect to change m= y voice and to have more voices singing together? As I do not play keyboard= or guitar=2C I do not need these complicated things which detect the chord= etc. 3) Kaoss Pad 3 is apparently the best real time effect processor. But=2C so= me other ideas? Thanks a loop! Sergio =20 = --_843ad17a-edf2-4c22-aadc-60ee5887824f_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Oh=2C I forgot=2C I can still decide to import from USA a Boomerang II. Fee= dbacks? Loops of same lenght as 2880 or not?
Other things?

=
From: simplif= lying@gmail.com
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: = "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding which tools
Date: = Tue=2C 8 May 2012 16:05:40 +0000

So=2C if I understood well (with the mind=2C without practical experience w= ith loopers): with the Boss=2C I can record a long loop=2C and then a short= three notes bass line which would repeat itself more times while the long = loop will repeat just once=2C correct? WHile if in the 2880 I record a 30 s= econd pattern and then I want a three note bass playing all the time=2C I h= ave to repeat it till it fill the 30??? Damn this is quite complicated then= .
If it is like that and there is no undo=2C i only have two possibilit= ies: rc-300 and smile=2C or looperlative and cry (so damn expensive!!!).
Mumble.
:)

Date: Tue=2C 8 May 2012 11:49:29 -0400Subject: Re: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding which t= ools
From: jeffloops@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.co= m

I use the 2880 but not the RC 300. The 2880 can record four separa= te parts (2 in stereo) but there is no independence. They will all be the s= ame length/tempo and synced. It is more like a multi track recorder I guess= . From what I understand the RC 50/300 can do three independent loops of va= rying lengths and can be synced or not ( I think I am right on this).

J

On Tue=2C May 8=2C 2012 at 11:21= AM=2C Sergio G <=3Bsimpliflying@gmail.com>=3B wrote:
Hello Jeff!

Yes :)
And it is quite cryptic for= me.
If a musician who used loopers and knows=2C sees this table= =2C he can understand all. But I cannot :)
Also=2C there are stra= nge things. For example=2C I thought with 2880 you had 4 tracks=2C one more= than rc-300 (which btw is not in the table)=2C but it says: "no multiple p= arallel loops. ONE loop may have four track."
While in RC-50 says "3 parallel loops". SO I cannot understand the dif= ference.
Oh=2C damn=2C so the 2880 has got no undo??? Mmmmmmm. TH= at is bad because it means that everytime instead of directing overdubbing = a track I should before record on another track and is I like it then merge= . AM I right?

:)

Date: Tue=2C 8 May= 2012 10:11:40 -0400
Subject: Re: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: h= elp in deciding which tools
From: jeffloops@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@= loopers-delight.com

Hi Sergio=2C is this the chart? http://www.loopro= om.com/looperchart.php

all the best!

Jeff

On Tue=2C May 8=2C 2012 at 9:02 A= M=2C Sergio Girardi <=3Bsimpliflying@gmail.com>=3B wrote:
Hello e= verybody!

I am Sergio from Italy=2C living in Germany. I= am new here.
So=2C first=2C a little introduction and explanatio= n of what I want to do=2C then=2C at the bottom=2C the question...

About what I want to do:
since many = many years I want to do music with mostly voice and loops.
Finall= y it is the time.
My project:
live performances = (so real time is a MUST) with =3Bmostly =3Bvoice (sin= g=2C beatbox=2C human sounds=2C overtones=2C voice used to imitate instrume= nts or to create =3Batmospheres=2C body percussion)=2C but also one or = two synths (general purpose one=2C and a bassy one)=2C maybe a th= eremin=2C some percussions=2C and other things which may produce= an interesting sound or noise (from objects to harmonica=2C kazoo=2C etc)= =2C and of course some effect processor like Kaoss Pad 3=2C or ha= rmonizers/effects =3Blike Digitech Vocalist Live 5=2C etc.

Models? At the beginning none=2C it was just my idea. N= ow I know Ricoloop=2C Dub FX=2C =3BBeardyman=2C and yes=2C I like all o= f them for what they are but none of them do all what I would like to do. L= uckily :)
Other model=2C Bauchklang=2C no loops but they do a very cool kind of = group beatbox and I like their themes very much. Some of the slow ones=2C v= ery atmosphere=2C are near to some of my ideas.

Questions:
1) that is predictable and it is the only re= ally important one now: which looper? I cannot decide between Boss <= b>RC-300=2C Electro Harmonix 2880=2C and I now just found in a f= orum this Looperlative LP1. But I wonder if just even one or a coupl= e of Kaoss Pad 3 can be enough=2C or something else.
So=2C please please please some quick feedba= ck on any of them=2C or even better comparison=2C so that I can understand =  =3Bwhat I can and cannot do with each one?
I have found somewhere once=2C maybe here=2C a comparison table but I canno= t find it anymore and anyway it is a bit cryptic for someone who did not be= gin yet. If somebody tell me "you can bounce tracks=2C start them together= =2C stop them together=2C mute the one you want=2C change the volume of eac= h one" etc=2C I understand better :)
2) any idea about which harmonizer is= better to put some effect to change my voice and to have more voices singi= ng together? As I do not play keyboard or guitar=2C I do not need these com= plicated things which detect the chord etc.
3) Kaoss Pad 3 is apparently the best real t= ime effect processor. But=2C some other ideas?

Thanks a loop!
=

Sergio


=
= --_843ad17a-edf2-4c22-aadc-60ee5887824f_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 16:13:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3BEC183474; Tue, 8 May 2012 16:13:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=nFvDaLem2guz49i6QNiHoIKMS5ZfNgK8qt8zswtmQOk=; b=QyDiQwiHORhXs3UlOIBxEGN0wdXHvy39zEiI4/sJk35lGI964YdaGnjRt2/iN2htKH SE6ik2Ik1l4bdETGNxKqcRK1BogoL22PQVdf6IjRw+WkJDKzBnGRAQeHxOv4NAtfyyDm riENbLAlIQKdtPCOlcSagwVOgaNdQV5OME4RQ/AuxJHGhaMfgMPpnXg4QdAUvXC/FrWs Le7zsaSX4HnqXlVwJc7rS4LZWAaKKUuTOEI/qSan4JbzuT4p5mPdIuoThOL807/3cMlr N+/IQ+D9YaJe+TlDvgT4lCYM4VgQcraoz95K3JrOLE1o1jJm3NyCk/1jCu9cnV9Dmpv8 2aZw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120508085427.44110@gmx.net> References: <20120508085427.44110@gmx.net> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 09:13:50 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Vocabulary of the looper From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <_srmjC.A.9OC.AZUqPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 16:13:52 +0000 (UTC) Don't worry - I finally found out what "multiply" is a couple weeks ago! When people talk about "beds" in music, such as ambient beds, textural beds, sound beds, etc, we're usually talking about non-rhythmic, non-melodic backgrounds, created to add flavor to the melodic and rhythmic elements. A "bed" might be a drone, or a very slow arrangement of synth chords, a recording of an outside environment, some sort of white noise, etc. I can't think of any popular music examples, but in Indian classical music, the tamboura plays a similar role. Another looping word I've been using, and that I've seen other people use is "seam". The seam would be the start/end point of a loop. In standard looping, it usually comes on the first downbeat of the measure. Depending on the nature of the sound source, sometimes there actually is an audible click. Some musicians (such as myself) attempt to hide the seam, in hopes that if people lose track of the loop's start/end point, they will stop perceiving the loop as an unaltered (canned?) element. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 1:54 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > Hi Kaylon > >>dont know what people are talking about when they say stuff like "bed of texture" > It took me a while to figure out that >50% of the loopers here consider themselves somewhat "ambient musicians". I don't understand them either, but they seem to like it when a song needs 20 minutes building up... > Anyway, they are the majority here. So I recommend: Be nice to them and go along with their vocabulary ;-)) > > Buzap > -- > Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir > belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 16:22:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55396183463; Tue, 8 May 2012 16:22:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_a0163626-844d-4490-a42f-45f52a6f1741_" X-Originating-IP: [62.7.183.6] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding which tools Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 16:22:39 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,,,,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2012 16:22:39.0898 (UTC) FILETIME=[C9B1F7A0:01CD2D36] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 16:22:41 +0000 (UTC) --_a0163626-844d-4490-a42f-45f52a6f1741_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Sergio=2CYou can buy the Boomerang III in a couple of places in Europe. = I bought mine from Austria I think. BTW the boomerang has a maximum of 4 lo= ops in a number of modes -=20 Serial=2C where one follows another and can be recorded/triggered one at a = timeSynched - where all the loops are multiples/divisors of each otherFree = - loops are totally independent and can phase freely. There are lots of permutations with looping devices. Why not make a complet= e list of your requirements ? Someone will know what you need. I spent ages= before deciding to go for the boomerang III. It's part of the process. Ste= reo loops was a must for me and I'm not particularly into multiply etc. For= some people it is fundamental to their performance style..The good news is= that there is a lot of choice :-) Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk From: simpliflying@gmail.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding which to= ols Date: Tue=2C 8 May 2012 16:13:23 +0000 Oh=2C I forgot=2C I can still decide to import from USA a Boomerang II. Fee= dbacks? Loops of same lenght as 2880 or not?Other things? From: simpliflying@gmail.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding which to= ols Date: Tue=2C 8 May 2012 16:05:40 +0000 So=2C if I understood well (with the mind=2C without practical experience w= ith loopers): with the Boss=2C I can record a long loop=2C and then a short= three notes bass line which would repeat itself more times while the long = loop will repeat just once=2C correct? WHile if in the 2880 I record a 30 s= econd pattern and then I want a three note bass playing all the time=2C I h= ave to repeat it till it fill the 30??? Damn this is quite complicated then= .If it is like that and there is no undo=2C i only have two possibilities: = rc-300 and smile=2C or looperlative and cry (so damn expensive!!!).Mumble.:= ) Date: Tue=2C 8 May 2012 11:49:29 -0400 Subject: Re: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding which to= ols From: jeffloops@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com I use the 2880 but not the RC 300. The 2880 can record four separate parts = (2 in stereo) but there is no independence. They will all be the same lengt= h/tempo and synced. It is more like a multi track recorder I guess. From wh= at I understand the RC 50/300 can do three independent loops of varying len= gths and can be synced or not ( I think I am right on this). J On Tue=2C May 8=2C 2012 at 11:21 AM=2C Sergio G wr= ote: Hello Jeff! Yes :)And it is quite cryptic for me.If a musician who used loopers and kno= ws=2C sees this table=2C he can understand all. But I cannot :)Also=2C ther= e are strange things. For example=2C I thought with 2880 you had 4 tracks= =2C one more than rc-300 (which btw is not in the table)=2C but it says: "n= o multiple parallel loops. ONE loop may have four track." While in RC-50 says "3 parallel loops". SO I cannot understand the differen= ce.Oh=2C damn=2C so the 2880 has got no undo??? Mmmmmmm. THat is bad becaus= e it means that everytime instead of directing overdubbing a track I should= before record on another track and is I like it then merge. AM I right? :) Date: Tue=2C 8 May 2012 10:11:40 -0400 Subject: Re: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding which to= ols From: jeffloops@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Hi Sergio=2C is this the chart? http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php all the best! Jeff On Tue=2C May 8=2C 2012 at 9:02 AM=2C Sergio Girardi wrote: Hello everybody! I am Sergio from Italy=2C living in Germany. I am new here.So=2C first=2C a= little introduction and explanation of what I want to do=2C then=2C at the= bottom=2C the question... About what I want to do:since many many years I want to do music with mostl= y voice and loops.Finally it is the time.My project:live performances (so r= eal time is a MUST) with mostly voice (sing=2C beatbox=2C human sounds=2C o= vertones=2C voice used to imitate instruments or to create atmospheres=2C b= ody percussion)=2C but also one or two synths (general purpose one=2C and a= bassy one)=2C maybe a theremin=2C some percussions=2C and other things whi= ch may produce an interesting sound or noise (from objects to harmonica=2C = kazoo=2C etc)=2C and of course some effect processor like Kaoss Pad 3=2C or= harmonizers/effects like Digitech Vocalist Live 5=2C etc. Models? At the beginning none=2C it was just my idea. Now I know Ricoloop= =2C Dub FX=2C Beardyman=2C and yes=2C I like all of them for what they are = but none of them do all what I would like to do. Luckily :) Other model=2C Bauchklang=2C no loops but they do a very cool kind of group= beatbox and I like their themes very much. Some of the slow ones=2C very a= tmosphere=2C are near to some of my ideas. Questions: 1) that is predictable and it is the only really important one now: which l= ooper? I cannot decide between Boss RC-300=2C Electro Harmonix 2880=2C and = I now just found in a forum this Looperlative LP1. But I wonder if just eve= n one or a couple of Kaoss Pad 3 can be enough=2C or something else. So=2C please please please some quick feedback on any of them=2C or even be= tter comparison=2C so that I can understand what I can and cannot do with = each one? I have found somewhere once=2C maybe here=2C a comparison table but I canno= t find it anymore and anyway it is a bit cryptic for someone who did not be= gin yet. If somebody tell me "you can bounce tracks=2C start them together= =2C stop them together=2C mute the one you want=2C change the volume of eac= h one" etc=2C I understand better :) 2) any idea about which harmonizer is better to put some effect to change m= y voice and to have more voices singing together? As I do not play keyboard= or guitar=2C I do not need these complicated things which detect the chord= etc. 3) Kaoss Pad 3 is apparently the best real time effect processor. But=2C so= me other ideas? Thanks a loop! Sergio =20 = --_a0163626-844d-4490-a42f-45f52a6f1741_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Sergio=2C
You can buy the Boomerang III in a couple of places in Eur= ope. I bought mine from Austria I think. BTW the boomerang has a maximum of= 4 loops in a number of modes - =3B

Serial=2C = where one follows another and can be recorded/triggered one at a time
=
Synched - where all the loops are multiples/divisors of each other
Free - loops are totally independent and can phase freely.

There are lots of permutations with looping devices. Why no= t make a complete list of your requirements ? Someone will know what you ne= ed. I spent ages before deciding to go for the boomerang III. It's part of = the process. Stereo loops was a must for me and I'm not particularly into m= ultiply etc. For some people it is fundamental to their performance style..=
The good news is that there is a lot of choice :-)
Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

From: simpliflying@gmail.com
To= : loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: "Mainly Vocal" loopin= g performances: help in deciding which tools
Date: Tue=2C 8 May 2012 16:= 13:23 +0000

Oh=2C I forgot=2C I can still decide to import from USA a Boomerang II. Fee= dbacks? Loops of same lenght as 2880 or not?
Other things?

=
From: s= impliflying@gmail.com
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject= : RE: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding which tools
= Date: Tue=2C 8 May 2012 16:05:40 +0000

So=2C if I understood well (with the mind=2C without practical experience w= ith loopers): with the Boss=2C I can record a long loop=2C and then a short= three notes bass line which would repeat itself more times while the long = loop will repeat just once=2C correct? WHile if in the 2880 I record a 30 s= econd pattern and then I want a three note bass playing all the time=2C I h= ave to repeat it till it fill the 30??? Damn this is quite complicated then= .
If it is like that and there is no undo=2C i only have two possibilit= ies: rc-300 and smile=2C or looperlative and cry (so damn expensive!!!).
Mumble.
:)

Date: Tue=2C 8 May 2012 11:49:29 -0400Subject: Re: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding which t= ools
From: jeffloops@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.co= m

I use the 2880 but not the RC 300. The 2880 can record four separa= te parts (2 in stereo) but there is no independence. They will all be the s= ame length/tempo and synced. It is more like a multi track recorder I guess= . From what I understand the RC 50/300 can do three independent loops of va= rying lengths and can be synced or not ( I think I am right on this).

J

On Tue=2C May 8=2C 2012 at 11:21= AM=2C Sergio G <=3Bsimpliflying@gmail.com>=3B wrote:
Hello Jeff!

Yes :)
And it is quite cryptic for= me.
If a musician who used loopers and knows=2C sees this table= =2C he can understand all. But I cannot :)
Also=2C there are stra= nge things. For example=2C I thought with 2880 you had 4 tracks=2C one more= than rc-300 (which btw is not in the table)=2C but it says: "no multiple p= arallel loops. ONE loop may have four track."
While in RC-50 says "3 parallel loops". SO I cannot understand the dif= ference.
Oh=2C damn=2C so the 2880 has got no undo??? Mmmmmmm. TH= at is bad because it means that everytime instead of directing overdubbing = a track I should before record on another track and is I like it then merge= . AM I right?

:)

Date: Tue=2C 8 May= 2012 10:11:40 -0400
Subject: Re: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: h= elp in deciding which tools
From: jeffloops@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@= loopers-delight.com

Hi Sergio=2C is this the chart? http://www.loopro= om.com/looperchart.php

all the best!

Jeff

On Tue=2C May 8=2C 2012 at 9:02 A= M=2C Sergio Girardi <=3Bsimpliflying@gmail.com>=3B wrote:
Hello e= verybody!

I am Sergio from Italy=2C living in Germany. I= am new here.
So=2C first=2C a little introduction and explanatio= n of what I want to do=2C then=2C at the bottom=2C the question...

About what I want to do:
since many = many years I want to do music with mostly voice and loops.
Finall= y it is the time.
My project:
live performances = (so real time is a MUST) with =3Bmostly =3Bvoice (sin= g=2C beatbox=2C human sounds=2C overtones=2C voice used to imitate instrume= nts or to create =3Batmospheres=2C body percussion)=2C but also one or = two synths (general purpose one=2C and a bassy one)=2C maybe a th= eremin=2C some percussions=2C and other things which may produce= an interesting sound or noise (from objects to harmonica=2C kazoo=2C etc)= =2C and of course some effect processor like Kaoss Pad 3=2C or ha= rmonizers/effects =3Blike Digitech Vocalist Live 5=2C etc.

Models? At the beginning none=2C it was just my idea. N= ow I know Ricoloop=2C Dub FX=2C =3BBeardyman=2C and yes=2C I like all o= f them for what they are but none of them do all what I would like to do. L= uckily :)
Other model=2C Bauchklang=2C no loops but they do a very cool kind of = group beatbox and I like their themes very much. Some of the slow ones=2C v= ery atmosphere=2C are near to some of my ideas.

Questions:
1) that is predictable and it is the only re= ally important one now: which looper? I cannot decide between Boss <= b>RC-300=2C Electro Harmonix 2880=2C and I now just found in a f= orum this Looperlative LP1. But I wonder if just even one or a coupl= e of Kaoss Pad 3 can be enough=2C or something else.
So=2C please please please some quick feedba= ck on any of them=2C or even better comparison=2C so that I can understand =  =3Bwhat I can and cannot do with each one?
I have found somewhere once=2C maybe here=2C a comparison table but I canno= t find it anymore and anyway it is a bit cryptic for someone who did not be= gin yet. If somebody tell me "you can bounce tracks=2C start them together= =2C stop them together=2C mute the one you want=2C change the volume of eac= h one" etc=2C I understand better :)
2) any idea about which harmonizer is= better to put some effect to change my voice and to have more voices singi= ng together? As I do not play keyboard or guitar=2C I do not need these com= plicated things which detect the chord etc.
3) Kaoss Pad 3 is apparently the best real t= ime effect processor. But=2C some other ideas?

Thanks a loop!
=

Sergio


=
= --_a0163626-844d-4490-a42f-45f52a6f1741_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 16:33:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C32AB183463; Tue, 8 May 2012 16:33:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=10JwpAJnZa3j8h4DZMnTLf+oToPTHSCGfa/DFIMiJdE=; b=XLOUuGFsZUSb9mCRxp8KCBp/oUkILHJTWqgxcY9/l5UFchVoiSpugOK7eh//5yMr47 4tYsGK4xeXksTXyBmM/tmknquYI5wbULzTdNuaDn1RulgNqVwFchweyo+crDZwEGdpJY hSvaZRlvcUj/q7DaajzaAztVFR/7q057ay1J173HMaULgQvF3k+uhJl4iDRa0NLRpwr+ fFr/iopTlypmGFxvTi3lZGhIsrlEB5+tODknHj+XyHD8M+mXTq4o4t73OHS5qxh4NXpw p+ygARU847IMu41vIo94vKUXNCX5MhLPfMsxInJbVeAWAvZhYt7VpWyntGA2gLOIeaAh RpnQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 18:33:12 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding which tools From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 16:33:13 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Sergio G wrote: > Boomerang II Hi Sergio, Why Boomerang 2? Wouldn't it be logical to assume that model 3 is better? Please see below. Lee is involved with the production and I guess he doesn't mind me sharing his text explaining some aspects of the 'rang 3 here, as it could be regarded promotion just as well. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Lee Hardesty wr= ote: > Per, > =C2=A0Just a couple of thoughts for the Boomerang III category for your > consideration. Let me know if more detail is needed. > > (1) The Rang III has a 'virtual' multiply capability. Create loop 3 first > and let it be the base loop you want to multiply. Then create another loo= p > of any length with loop 3 playing as the master. This secondary loop can = be > any number of multiples of the base loop you desire and there's no need t= o > preset this length since the final length will be determined by the > end-recording tap. In the parallel styles you can create up to three > 'multiplied' loops that will play in sync with the master. These loops ca= n > be of any length, can be stacked on, reversed, erased and re-recorded, et= c. > It's a slightly different approach but the results are essentially the sa= me > I think. Some of the other products on the list may be able to do somethi= ng > similar but I'm only familiar with the Boomerang unit. > > =C2=A0Actually this is also a way to do a pseudo-quantize. By creating a = short > percussive loop (say one measure) as master all subsequent loops created > will be forced to a multiple of the master length, or quantized if you wi= ll. > > (2) In the parallel styles (Sync and Free) you can have up to 4 loops rea= dy > for immediate playback. They can be started and stopped individually or t= he > Play-Stop-All function can be used to start (or stop) playback of all > existing loops simultaneously. > > (3) Pitch transposing now allows octave-up and octave-down capability. > > (4) The internal memory spec might be expanded to state actual recording > time(s) since products differ as to bit-depth, sample rate, etc. > > =C2=A0We do hope to release some info on MIDI synchronization in the very= near > future. I'll pass that news on to you as soon as it becomes available. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 17:58:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7FD6183465; Tue, 8 May 2012 17:58:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 761319554/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.182.178/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.182.178 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAJNdqU9V0ray/2dsb2JhbAANN7ZAAQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYgFu1eNb4MmBJthjUk X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,552,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="761319554" Message-ID: <4FA95EAA.2000702@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 18:58:02 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding which tools References: ,,, In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 17:58:02 +0000 (UTC) Sergio G wrote: > If it is like that and there is no undo, i only have two possibilities: > rc-300 and smile, We're starting to see bug reports about the RC-300. How it just freezes up and becomes inoperable. (also, Roland sound quality is often not as good as the price would suggest) > or looperlative and cry (so damn expensive!!!). Check out the Vox VDL-1. Has undo/redo, and two tracks which can be different lengths. ..and as cheap as the basic beginner loopers already suggested. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 18:35:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97E27183461; Tue, 8 May 2012 18:35:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FA95EAA.2000702@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4FA95EAA.2000702@tiscali.co.uk> From: James Collin Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:34:56 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding which tools To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f64715b1832b704bf8aa7ee X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:m+WoqYoWB+98+HmXuaQ7QA70XyLY0pzP444EPwxvB3Z KIU/UDl8p2gadK140Vx5Oerpqx8YcpLZYebimZPnQGdLv9Qgee LnXIgxijQyz+4mHDofhbaYp325nha8kBi37HVn8ZUkrLRlwdmY 68XWUGTCA/BcoCeW7GQ6UqL/9Q/orAsxhswPdpnOK/ZDxPJ6xZ LKWBsDU3jWZ9UpYah4KegSfyc+/aTNN0Int8JbtTWlgHUoYSpy 2rLQtY33lcsWhhxyZvLsPGbO6jTnf2u5vElng3RSnCec/qO4e1 FI7rWNSAH4KTRuR0WnieQ2vpO/0ZD+i0U6lpwsPqt4SA/HzAMo Xs1vrh9cve9NEV3jJI4x0nWv8dOzNUrgLTOsKNwj7jk3I3/Agc CiMgySGbyxPeUXTZ6RTjg0Pg3FHKiIo6BL0xNnpB5s+xO1yLO3 ZG4y6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 18:35:40 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f64715b1832b704bf8aa7ee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 You might also take a look a the TC-Helicon VoiceLive Touch: http://www.tc-helicon.com/products/voicelive-touch/ - J On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 12:58 PM, andy butler wrote: > > > Sergio G wrote: > > If it is like that and there is no undo, i only have two possibilities: >> rc-300 and smile, >> > > We're starting to see bug reports about the RC-300. > How it just freezes up and becomes inoperable. > > (also, Roland sound quality is often not as good as the price would > suggest) > > > or looperlative and cry (so damn expensive!!!). >> > > Check out the Vox VDL-1. > Has undo/redo, > and two tracks which can be different lengths. > > ..and as cheap as the basic beginner loopers already suggested. > > andy butler > > --e89a8f64715b1832b704bf8aa7ee Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You might also take a look a the TC-Helicon VoiceLive Touch:=A0http://www.tc-helicon.c= om/products/voicelive-touch/

- J

On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 12:58 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk= > wrote:


Sergio G wrote:

If it is like that and there is no undo, i only have two possibilities: rc-= 300 and smile,

We're starting to see bug reports about the RC-300.
How it just freezes up and becomes inoperable.

(also, Roland sound quality is often not as good as the price would suggest= )


or looperlative and cry (so damn expensive!!!).

Check out the Vox VDL-1.
Has undo/redo,
and two tracks which can be different lengths.

..and as cheap as the basic beginner loopers already suggested.

andy butler


--e89a8f64715b1832b704bf8aa7ee-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 18:38:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4BE8183466; Tue, 8 May 2012 18:38:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=D+t3N4wawpmgxAJvc1OeDdIMAp2Qiql9LUsTwvmKbN8=; b=RSeZ0awIigDvHsBWTaWbskUYEldpgGYqdqEBp5WiTgkM9cr0LJRCiyw77PyOvlCBG6 qXSQ2dpcomRtngye6t+Gt1BW/oy7JHfN/1vrxNrIa2TlbcZAWMcldum0w5MlZVFhfCAN KwPAsHdKZ6vyqdP3I62sjljUJGqVlW+RKPVafIWKj6TQOwaaE2KhUz59KL2MvojJLx2r gKWlNbWdU5FK0jeIaFLHhkxLGoFUFHScnEU79K3ycrASbBBe7P23jP00LDGJaCzuwath 6GbFmmznKW5AMUdFonai6cGCXROEwP+caXBkE/jEGgtkqeNu/Tq0t5+QMTeX7E6DqH8z T21w== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 20:38:30 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding which tools From: Fabio_A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf303f6d707678e604bf8ab1d2 Resent-Message-ID: <4g64rC.A.t7D.ngWqPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 18:38:31 +0000 (UTC) --20cf303f6d707678e604bf8ab1d2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ciao Sergio, se vuoi uno scambio di idee diretto e nella tua lingua madre, scrivimi separatamente e magari ne parliamo al telefono. -fabio www.eterogeneo.com 2012/5/8 Sergio Girardi > Hello everybody! > > I am Sergio from Italy, living in Germany. I am new here. > So, first, a little introduction and explanation of what I want to do, > then, at the bottom, the question... > > *About what I want to do:* > since many many years I want to do music with mostly voice and loops. > Finally it is the time. > My project: > *live performances* (so *real time is a MUST*) with *mostly voice* (sing, > beatbox, human sounds, overtones, voice used to imitate instruments or to > create atmospheres, body percussion), but also one or two *synths *(general > purpose one, and a bassy one), maybe a *theremin*, some *percussions*, > and other things which may produce an interesting sound or noise (from > objects to harmonica, kazoo, etc), and of course some *effect processor*like Kaoss Pad 3, or > *harmonizers/effects *like Digitech Vocalist Live 5, etc. > > Models? At the beginning none, it was just my idea. Now I know Ricoloop, > Dub FX, Beardyman, and yes, I like all of them for what they are but none > of them do all what I would like to do. Luckily :) > Other model, Bauchklang, no loops but they do a very cool kind of group > beatbox and I like their themes very much. Some of the slow ones, very > atmosphere, are near to some of my ideas. > > *Questions:* > 1) that is predictable and it is the only really important one now:*which looper? > * I cannot decide between Boss *RC-300*, Electro Harmonix *2880*, and I > now just found in a forum this Looperlative *LP1*. But I wonder if just > even one or a couple of *Kaoss Pad 3* can be enough, or something else. > So, please please please some quick feedback on any of them, or even > better comparison, so that I can understand *what I can and cannot do > with each one?* > I have found somewhere once, maybe here, a comparison table but I cannot > find it anymore and anyway it is a bit cryptic for someone who did not > begin yet. If somebody tell me "you can bounce tracks, start them together, > stop them together, mute the one you want, change the volume of each one" > etc, I understand better :) > 2) any idea about *which harmonizer* is better to put some effect to > change my voice and to have more voices singing together? As I do not play > keyboard or guitar, I do not need these complicated things which detect the > chord etc. > 3) Kaoss Pad 3 is apparently the best real time effect processor. But, > some other ideas? > > Thanks a loop! > > Sergio > --20cf303f6d707678e604bf8ab1d2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ciao Sergio,=A0
se vuoi uno scambio di idee diretto e nella tua lingua = madre, scrivimi separatamente e magari ne parliamo al telefono.
<= br>
-fabio


2012/5/8 Sergio Girardi <si= mpliflying@gmail.com>
Hello everybody!

I am Sergio from Italy, living in Germa= ny. I am new here.
So, first, a little introduction and explanati= on of what I want to do, then, at the bottom, the question...

About what I want to do:
since many = many years I want to do music with mostly voice and loops.
Finall= y it is the time.
My project:
live performances = (so real time is a MUST) with=A0mostly=A0voice (sing, beatbox= , human sounds, overtones, voice used to imitate instruments or to create= =A0atmospheres, body percussion), but also one or two synths (genera= l purpose one, and a bassy one), maybe a theremin, some percussio= ns, and other things which may produce an interesting sound or noise (f= rom objects to harmonica, kazoo, etc), and of course some effect process= or like Kaoss Pad 3, or harmonizers/effects=A0like Digitech Voca= list Live 5, etc.

Models? At the beginning none, it was just my idea. Now= I know Ricoloop, Dub FX,=A0Beardyman, and yes, I like all of them for what= they are but none of them do all what I would like to do. Luckily :)
Other model, Bauchklang, no loops but they do a very cool kind of grou= p beatbox and I like their themes very much. Some of the slow ones, very at= mosphere, are near to some of my ideas.

Ques= tions:
1) that is predictable and it is the only re= ally important one now: which looper? I cannot decide between Boss <= b>RC-300, Electro Harmonix 2880, and I now just found in a forum= this Looperlative LP1. But I wonder if just even one or a couple of= Kaoss Pad 3 can be enough, or something else.
So, please please please some quick feedback= on any of them, or even better comparison, so that I can understand =A0= what I can and cannot do with each one?
I have found somewhere once, maybe here, a comparison table but I cannot fi= nd it anymore and anyway it is a bit cryptic for someone who did not begin = yet. If somebody tell me "you can bounce tracks, start them together, = stop them together, mute the one you want, change the volume of each one&qu= ot; etc, I understand better :)
2) any idea about which harmonizer is= better to put some effect to change my voice and to have more voices singi= ng together? As I do not play keyboard or guitar, I do not need these compl= icated things which detect the chord etc.
3) Kaoss Pad 3 is apparently the best real t= ime effect processor. But, some other ideas?

Thanks a loop!

Sergio

--20cf303f6d707678e604bf8ab1d2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 19:33:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DE70183462; Tue, 8 May 2012 19:33:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0956497037==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120508193328.15271.54993.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 15:33:30 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: How come pop music never comes up here? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 19:33:33 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0956497037== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello!=20Whenever=20I=20listen=20to=20a=20pop=20music=20radio=20station=20f= or=20more=20than=20a=20half=20hour,=20I=20hear=20at=20least=20 one=20song=20full=20of=20loops!=20Three=20months=20ago=20you=20heard=20me= =20talk=20about=20Jason=20Derulo's=20Imogen=20 Heap=20sample=20in=20"Whatcha=20Say,"=20(the=20"what"=20is=20looped=20somet= imes).=20And=20in=20Britney=20Spears's=20 "I=20Wanna=20Go"=20the=20"I"=20and=20the=20"Go"=20(and=20the=20"way"=20in= =20"all=20the=20way")=20are=20all=20looped!=20And=20some=20songs=20 by=20artists=20from=20LMFAO=20to=20Kesha=20have=20loops!=20How=20come=20we= =20only=20talk=20about=20the=20indie=20stuff=20here?=20How=20 come=20only=20the=20indie=20ones=20(like=20myself)=20join=20this=20mailing= =20list? Tyler=20Z --===============0956497037==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 19:35:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05EE4183464; Tue, 8 May 2012 19:35:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=pZeFN9nybxL+OogeATmjcKEBSrpbtaaY14Zi0lPV8Bc=; b=iAwYujHPrLqjF3CRfEqBIDc4QfqmKYdvtIGwmss/Dvb6VWxi4lM3n7AyzczesRx6Hh lCeS+iSd6hV86bmS4rCISRj7vPtPG1ofGdU9pDeLN03yYYR7AQd38Olwff6UgHw2bh/R 559PR2elX4oPC5P6h2CGZGgLRmd3YSn3DbkHiA+99YFqsAKQZLW0pAxsTd0Su2GCwTlz Jq1K1P0yZbDLG/fYIn9S1rDJJEmQnWmj8zW5g6uc285LmJMaDen32nO2HSjHdjbeo6+0 LpP/OckAfWAHrvaeoH5RC3rGU6u5mA8gSsU1kKunVxx27beu0Uu2OO60Io+Bq4DUVlaw H3Sw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120508084319.44120@gmx.net> References: <7BFDC669-5ADB-4E5E-A52D-9AD036217159@baymoon.com> <20120508084319.44120@gmx.net> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:35:32 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looping has feelings From: Lindsey Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e8dce76445204bf8b7dd2 Resent-Message-ID: <8nU84.A.kpE.FWXqPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 19:35:33 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e8dce76445204bf8b7dd2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 "I too like the game to never letting a loop play back sounding exactly the same as last round." I play this game too but interpreted the idea to mean that as each layer is added some obvious change is made. This would mean leaving room in the mix for something new to be noticed. That's an important part of my aesthetic, for some reason. If you can't hear any new layers the song is done. "4. Glassmaking . a decorative air bubble enclosed in a glassvessel; air bell." Ok, this brings me to my next question: What sound does an air bell within a glass vessel make? (With the origin being the hurt feelings of livelooping.) I had to ask. Lindsey 2012/5/8 Buzap Buzap > LOL... Yeah, Looping has feelings... > They're probably like this: > "I can't take that anymore... Do we have to go thru this... AGAIN?..." > > ;-) > Buzap > > -- > Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir > belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de > > --90e6ba6e8dce76445204bf8b7dd2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "I too like the game to never letting a loop play back sounding = exactly
the same as last round."

=
I play this game too but interpreted the idea to mean that as each lay= er is added some obvious change is made. =A0This would mean leaving room in= the mix for something new to be noticed. =A0That's an important part o= f my aesthetic, for some reason. If you can't hear any new layers the s= ong is done.


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I had to ask.

Lindsey



2012/5/8 Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net>
LOL... Yeah, Looping has feelings...
They're probably like this:
"I can't take that anymore... Do we have to go thru this... AGAIN?= ..."

;-)
Buzap

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--90e6ba6e8dce76445204bf8b7dd2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 21:16:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BFCDD183465; Tue, 8 May 2012 21:16:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=4ZpgKgPA0MiI9npp2FOBKyTfpwvz2fMAjN+i2HzxcnE=; b=hDIcM4dyqjK7pkTky7rldQudxvRhojYLf12BErXzZ2SJHgpF2P05ovM5epGvzOM/pZ JCKr7yKPtv3oivFq4iwBFgUW9PV7mAOMYR729KyE33Snug4+HhqZTHi/VxmvAJ52o4k7 Cd1vL6AkFivehYHQ7IokN/qjpHpTgPQStcRcnps5V4HXDzAcKE1FjUmrHkKT9cTgXCmp PzIxYzOSFb4Qyndivgd2hpIAJ4FSTAJ1lUfTR4X0hhrl/z59gelJIbZkNyVR2be6mro0 m+RmepOx3s2CtsYx1900rfSp2xOmuj0rK4276agrPU2KQ9V+3/Pv9PNt+tIKlHbwD/3U etyg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20120508193328.15271.54993.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 14:16:49 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How come pop music never comes up here? From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <5uCku.A.-oF.C1YqPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 21:16:50 +0000 (UTC) oops - I sent this to Tyler directly. I meant to send it to the list: There's a difference between "looping" (the repetitive use of audio samples) and "live looping" (the act of recording those audio samples in real-time during a performance before using them). Most of the artists on loopers-delight.com, livelooping.org and this email list are concerned primarily with live looping. Looping, such as that you hear in most modern pop songs, has been the industry standard way of recording pop music since digital recording has been available. I'd guess most electronic groups have been making music primarily by looping samples since the late 80s. Cases of pop music using loops goes back to the 60s that I'm aware of (such as Perry & Kingsley), and experimental music using loops goes back to the invention of magnetic tape. In modern pop and dance music, it's not just the vocal parts you're referencing that are looped, but all the instruments! Personally, I think it can be a good thing in the right hands - musicians can spend more time fine-tuning every element of a 15 second loop, then have that 15 seconds play multiple times during a song. I would dare say that everything you hear on a pop radio station these days is built from loops, and it's been that way since 1992 or so. Even rock bands record that way more often than they'd care to admit. I'm not too familiar with the pop songs you're naming. I thought I had some Britney Spears on my ipod, but apparently it never uploaded. Do you have the song "Animal" by Miike Snow? In that one, the first 7 seconds is created from triggered samples of instruments, but then that 7 seconds is looped through most of the rest of the song. Loops of more instruments are added at the same intervals. Listening to it now, I'd guess that only the verse vocal, the drums and maybe a synth are not looped. Even the chorus is most likely only recorded once, and you're literally hearing the same recording each time it's repeated. The producers introduce just enough variation that it doesn't feel canned. (Great song by the way - did you know that these are the same guys that produced the music for "Toxic" by Britney Spears?) But yeah, there aren't many famous artists using "live looping", and many of them tend to be indie artists: Imogen Heap, Andrew Bird, Reggie Watts, etc. Many of the members of this list will point out the Robert Fripp/Brian Eno recording "No Pussyfooting" (from 1974!) in which Brian Eno uses tape machines to sample and play back Robert Fripp's live guitar sounds. The earliest live looping record that I'm aware of is Terry Riley's "A Rainbow in Curved Air", which was released in 1969. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > Tyler was all: >> Hello! Whenever I listen to a pop music radio station for more than a half hour, I hear at least >> one song full of loops! Three months ago you heard me talk about Jason Derulo's Imogen >> Heap sample in "Whatcha Say," (the "what" is looped sometimes). And in Britney Spears's >> "I Wanna Go" the "I" and the "Go" (and the "way" in "all the way") are all looped! And some songs >> by artists from LMFAO to Kesha have loops! How come we only talk about the indie stuff here? How >> come only the indie ones (like myself) join this mailing list? >> Tyler Z >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 21:27:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8994D183461; Tue, 8 May 2012 21:27:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BigFish: PS-5(zzbb2dI9371I98dKzz1202hzz8275chz2fh2a8h668h839h944he5bh) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.234.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:SN2PRD0410HT005.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail19-tx2: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.234.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.234.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=SN2PRD0410HT005.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: Tyler , "loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: How come pop music never comes up here? Thread-Topic: How come pop music never comes up here? Thread-Index: AQHNLVF31U1ZOaMF6k2AIjGC5fX77ZbAFDkA Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 21:27:18 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20120508193328.15271.54993.levelstar.mail@everest> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.255.115.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <3C3ACD0C6C3228419A34683984F4069A@namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: <8Bk7pC.A.czF.A_YqPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 21:27:28 +0000 (UTC) Part of the reason is that this list is composed mostly of people for whom the word "Colonoscopy" has taken on a profound and unwelcome relevancy. As the father of two teenagers, I am exposed to hazmat levels of pop music. Some of it is quite good, some of it makes me want to set myself on fire. None of it is what most people here would call looping, it is more sample manipulation than a live performance technique. The "live looping" vs..I don't know "dead looping" debate comes up here all the time. I don't really care, I enjoy both. But the bias here is certainly toward loops created live rather than molesting samples. Jeff On 5/8/12 2:33 PM, "Tyler" wrote: >Hello! Whenever I listen to a pop music radio station for more than a >half hour, I hear at least >one song full of loops! Three months ago you heard me talk about Jason >Derulo's Imogen=20 >Heap sample in "Whatcha Say," (the "what" is looped sometimes). And in >Britney Spears's=20 >"I Wanna Go" the "I" and the "Go" (and the "way" in "all the way") are >all looped! And some songs >by artists from LMFAO to Kesha have loops! How come we only talk about >the indie stuff here? How >come only the indie ones (like myself) join this mailing list? >Tyler Z > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 21:51:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8ED5183460; Tue, 8 May 2012 21:51:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 23:51:19 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20120508215119.67270@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Subject: Re: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding which tools To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18RO/1vYqIR75Ioajs59dZAb5TSg9j9B1DetzkCbm tGI4lG/gexQ3sd+q9Af5XY3A240PBofdi/8w== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: APDbbyN7eSEqSsh4kHUhYEB+IGRvb4B3 Resent-Message-ID: <1mHVmB.A.9EG.cVZqPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 21:51:24 +0000 (UTC) My decision process would be like this: How seriously are you interested? - Just try out: Go with simple looper like Boss RC-3, JamMan etc. - Probably seriously interested, don't know what you need: Go with well-rounded looper like the Boomerang III - You're a software guy: Get a decent audio interface (low latency) and do some computer based live looping. best regards Buzap -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 8 23:52:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E811183455; Tue, 8 May 2012 23:52:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=NjeGStTFXqvgvNny50+G6sLdd6hbzVS3uv2Oenv6VhH9EzNFdw19gzk2a9Pv5txI; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <26017715.1336521149042.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 18:52:28 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Grant Reply-To: Grant To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How come pop music never comes up here? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 4627597e215714c3ca853a8129e90869f402879cecb40bd58180a077c15a339c346df27d9f45e548a541f0d72c52a036350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.25 Resent-Message-ID: <4o2PPB.A.XFH.HHbqPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 23:52:39 +0000 (UTC) >Part of the reason is that this list is composed mostly of people >for whom the word "Colonoscopy" has taken on a profound >and unwelcome relevancy. Ouch! I'm overdue for that test myself, still trying to work up the courage! > As the father of two teenagers, I am exposed to hazmat levels of > pop music. Some of it is quite good, some of it makes me want > to set myself on fire. Haha, save a match for me! I do sometimes worry about the future of music when I hear what kids are being drenched in from sources like the Disney radio stations. I've never heard such abysmal "music" in my life (and I've ridden MANY elevators in my time!). The DJ's sound like they are 25 but trying to sound like they are 13, just sickening. There's a station on my dial (yes, dial) that's between two stations I do listen to and I hear some of it as I'm changing stations. At first I thought it was sorta funny but now I think it's really sad. Anyway..... > "dead looping" Good one! This deserves further thought. Which company will be the first with a "dead looping" pedal! :) G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 00:16:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D34618345D; Wed, 9 May 2012 00:16:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FA9B73C.3060701@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 17:15:56 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gmail CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vocabulary of the looper References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 00:16:05 +0000 (UTC) Kaylon wrote: "Just to add, I have my own little term; Reverb-Freezing or Freezeverb: When you have drums and other instrument sounds playing without much audible reverb and just when the snare hits you quickly silence every instrument and turn the reverb effect up all the way simultaneously so that the reverb from the snare drum is isolated for a beat or two then quickly turn all instruments to full volume right at the drop of the next kick drum." Hey Kaylon, viz a vis your Freezeverb term coining.... I'll bet you would love the Electro Harmonix FREEZE pedal. It grabs a minute portion of whatever you are playing it and 'freeze's it. It's designed to be momentary (your foot holds the effect as long as you want) or permanent. I just love this pedal and am using it a lot in my own music lately. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 00:39:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38AC7183461; Wed, 9 May 2012 00:39:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FA9BCB5.5090205@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 17:39:17 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Strategies for Hiding a Loop References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 00:39:24 +0000 (UTC) in another thread, Matt Davignon wrote: > Some musicians (such as myself) attempt > to hide the seam, in hopes that if people lose track of the loop's > start/end point, they will stop perceiving the loop as an unaltered > (canned?) element. > > This is a favorite subject of mine. I'm very rhythmically oriented in my music and I've never used feedback for some strange reason in my looping. Consequently, it's important to figure out ways to make one's loops not sound so static. Here are some of my strategies for hiding the recurring nature of a loop from the listeners' ears. 1) I got this first one from Steve Lawson: but a random filter on your loop that has very strong sweeps between frequencies and high 'Q' values 2) Use two different and non-syncrhonized loopers and make on long ambient loop over which you put a rhythmic secondary looping track. The loop will randomly cycle against each other. Even when they happen to coincide on each other's downbeats, it will have taken so long that the audience will not percieve it as a coherence. 3) With rhythmic loops you can use 'slip' functions (Electrix Repeater) or mute/retrigger features (like in the EDP) that retrigger wherever you were in the loop when you last mute the loop so that the rhythm plays differently, rhythmically speaking against another element (this also requires two loopers playing simultaneously. 4) Use any kind of modulation or delay functions that are in a different time scale to your loop (this is particularly effective with ambient loops that cycle over rhythmic loops but can also be used with two different ambient or textural loops in less rhythimcally bases music. 5) In software manipulation of loops, use randomization features for processing or retriggering one's looped content. 6) Using the 'scramble' functions and/or the quantized replace (Looperlative DL-1 terms) or INS=SUB features in quantized mode to Replace rhythm fractions of your loop. My brother is especially effective with this technique when using different feedback percentages as he replaces. With auto swell, volume pedal or guitar part swell or 'slow gear' guitar techniques, this also is a beautiful way of continually morphing your loops. 7) This next one I have almost no experience with, but Matthias Grob truly loves it and does it beautifully...............using different feedback percentages to subtly replace original content. I think this category could be greatly expanded by the loopers here. 8) This one only exists in the LP-2 because I put it in the software for this purpose: Random Retrigger...............allows you to randomly retrigger one's loop (the loop continues from the random start point whenever this is used. Due to the nature of the wave forms being of unequal volume when randomly retriggered this always causes a rhythmic 'gated' effect. This is particularly effective at creating ambient or avant garde a-rhythmic loops and then creating and ostinato rhythm by rhythmically playing the foot pedal like a kick drum. In a best case scenario: use a secondary looper to re-loop your results. So, this begs the question: What other strategies work well for this musical purpose? Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 02:27:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48487183462; Wed, 9 May 2012 02:27:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_8dd33762-61df-4774-a1a5-637f13b8876e_" X-Originating-IP: [92.224.175.167] From: Sergio G Sender: To: Subject: RE: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding which tools Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 02:27:08 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4FA95EAA.2000702@tiscali.co.uk> References: ,,, ,<4FA95EAA.2000702@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2012 02:27:08.0684 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B9384C0:01CD2D8B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 02:27:09 +0000 (UTC) --_8dd33762-61df-4774-a1a5-637f13b8876e_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable THANKS A LOT FOR THE ANSWERS!!!I feel really supported and I already like t= his community :) Andy: -ok=2C thanks for the info about RC-300 (I suppose that it can be sol= ved via firmware but it would be embarrassing if it happens on stage=2C for= much amateur I can be)- I saw the Vox one=2C not tried anyway. I think I n= eed more than 2 parallel loops anyway if possible and I am a bit scared abo= ut the 90 sec limitation. I will ask about it at the bottom of this email. Rainer:1. If the independent parallel loops mean that you can have more fle= xibility and=2C for example=2C be able to have loops of different lengths= =2C yes=2C I am sure I need that. Can you confirm I understood correctly wh= at parallel loops are? At the bottom of the email I'll write what I need. B= ut=2C what is a variable feedback???2. I agree with that line of not buying= at any cost the top without being sure you really will use it. I did it in= the past and was throwing money. But I am quite older now and I hope a bit= wiser. I am sure of what I want to do and I am sure I want the tool which = allow me to do that. I am just not sure which tool is that :)-(nice perform= ance. Still not what I want to do but added to the examples I gave in my fi= rst email=2C it is also part of what I want to do. Sch=F6n! You use some ki= nd of sequencer/drum Machine in this video?) Gareth:Can the Boomerang do unlimited overdubbing on each loop? I do not fi= nd any reference to that=2C just Stacking which I cannot understand if it i= s adding something over the loop (overdubbing) or at the end of it :). Also= I am not sure to understand if it can quantize. Anyway I have very good se= nse of the rhythm. And can it modify the time without the pitch or it is al= ways octave down and up?Could you say what the Rang II can do which a RC-30= 0 or other similar loopers cannot=2C and viceversa? And how easy to use is?= The RC-300 seems very immediate. Per Boysen:Thanks=2C it was useful. Ah=2C yes=2C it was a mistake=2C I want= ed to write III :) James:30 sec of loops available is absolutely not enough for me... :( But I= like the VoiceLive Touch=2C I was about to buy it used as harmonizer (fina= lly I bought a Roland VP-7=2C a bit more expensive=2C I hope I did well). Buzap:I am very seriously interested=2C it is 10 years or more that I am! I= bought a RC-2 at that time=2C horrible=2C I was not able to do anything of= what I wanted (I had in my mind already all what the modern looper can do= =2C and even more. Actually=2C the things which I want to do=2C only a real= -time on the fly sampler/sequencer/looper/effect-processor could do that. P= robably I need many different tools).But I would not imagine a computer bas= ed looping (especially with my basic Dell inspiron notebook) as a real time= for the king of things Ricoloop=2C Beardyman=2C and Dub FX do... ANd the o= nes I want to do.Please correct me if I am wrong. EVERYBODY:Ok=2C what I want from the looper....I want to be able to record = live real-time=2C mostly my voice but also some other instruments=2C and sa= mple/loop them immediately=2C no dead times.I need to be able to have diffe= rent loops going on at same times and be able to pause all=2C start all=2C = pause all=2C start one=2C start all the others=2C slow or increase the temp= o and/or pitch of the main output and/or of each single loop=2C a bit like = a dj=2C but a sort of real time auto dj which makes all by himself.Actually= =2C the best for me would be a sampler/sequencer with absolute real time ca= pabilities=2C and advanced looping functions (all what the Looperlative=2C = Bumerang=2C RC-300 can do=2C more a sequencing function which actually the = looperlative has a bit=2C if I am not wrong).Then=2C but this is another th= eme=2C I want to be able to apply effects to the sounds on the fly (Kaoss P= ad 3? Digitech Vocal 300? Both? Other things?). So... What can you suggest to me?If I stick to the looper idea I am in this= moment oriented to this lineup:1) Bumerang III (but damn=2C no overdubbing= ????????? If so=2C I have to decide if buying also a Vox looper=2C or don't= know what...)2) Roland VP-7 (already bought=2C no going back)3) kaoss pad = 3 and Vocal 300 for more strange effects4) one or two synths (I need a gene= ral purpose synth with many sounds=2C and I think I like the blofeld deskto= p. And then something more for fat basses and nice rhytms and strange sound= s on the style of the analog synths. And for this I was thinking about Shru= thi-1=2C and/or Arturia Minibrute)5) a theremin6) other instruments=2C like= harmonica=2C kazoo=2C percussions=2C and whatever can be interesting. Of c= ourse a mic for beatboxing. The only thing I have right now are point 2 and 6.All the rest=2C I am open= to suggestions=2C but of course especially about point 1 which is still ve= ry open for me. THANKS!!!!!! = --_8dd33762-61df-4774-a1a5-637f13b8876e_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
THANKS A LOT FOR THE ANSWERS!!!
I feel really support= ed and I already like this community :)

Andy: =3B
-ok=2C thanks for the info about RC-300 (I suppose tha= t it can be solved via firmware but it would be =3Bembarrassing =3B= if it happens on stage=2C for much amateur I can be)
- I saw the = Vox one=2C not tried anyway. I think I need more than 2 parallel loops anyw= ay if possible and I am a bit scared about the 90 sec limitation. I will as= k about it at the bottom of this email.

Rainer:=
1. If the independent parallel loops mean that you can have = more flexibility and=2C for example=2C be able to have loops of different l= engths=2C yes=2C I am sure I need that. Can you confirm I understood correc= tly what parallel loops are? At the bottom of the email I'll write what I n= eed. =3BBut=2C what is a variable f= eedback???
2. I agree with that line of not buying at any = cost the top without being sure you really will use it. I did it in the pas= t and was throwing money. But I am quite older now and I hope a bit wiser. = I am sure of what I want to do and I am sure I want the tool which allow me= to do that. I am just not sure which tool is that :)
-(nice perf= ormance. Still not what I want to do but added to the examples I gave in my= first email=2C it is also part of what I want to do. Sch=F6n! You use some= kind of sequencer/drum Machine in this video?)

Gareth:
Can the Boomerang do unlimited overdubbing on each l= oop? I do not find any reference to that=2C just Stacking which I cannot un= derstand if it is adding something over the loop (overdubbing) or at the en= d of it :). Also I am not sure to understand if it can quantize. Anyway I h= ave very good sense of the =3Brhythm. And can it modify the time withou= t the pitch or it is always octave down and up?
Could you say wha= t the Rang II can do which a RC-300 or other similar loopers cannot=2C and = viceversa? And how easy to use is? =3BThe =3BRC-300 seems very imme= diate.

Per Boysen:
Thanks=2C it w= as useful. Ah=2C yes=2C it was a mistake=2C I wanted to write III :)
<= div>
James:
30 sec of loops available is abs= olutely not enough for me... :( But I like the VoiceLive Touch=2C I was abo= ut to buy it used as harmonizer (finally I bought a Roland VP-7=2C a bit mo= re expensive=2C I hope I did well).

Buzap:<= /div>
I am very seriously interested=2C it is 10 years or more that I a= m! I bought a RC-2 at that time=2C horrible=2C I was not able to do anythin= g of what I wanted (I had in my mind already all what the modern looper can= do=2C and even more. Actually=2C the things which I want to do=2C only a r= eal-time on the fly sampler/sequencer/looper/effect-processor could do that= . Probably I need many different tools).
But I would not imagine = a computer based looping (especially with my basic Dell inspiron notebook) = as a real time for the king of things Ricoloop=2C Beardyman=2C and Dub FX d= o... ANd the ones I want to do.
Please correct me if I am wrong.<= /div>

EVERYBODY:
Ok=2C what I want from= the looper....
I want to be able to record live real-time=2C mos= tly my voice but also some other instruments=2C and sample/loop them = =3Bimmediately=2C no dead times.
I need to be able to have differ= ent loops going on at same times and be able to pause all=2C start all=2C p= ause all=2C start one=2C start all the others=2C =3Bslow or increase the tempo and/or pitch of the main output= and/or of each single loop=2C =3Ba bit like a dj=2C but a sort of real time auto dj which makes all by= himself.
Actually=2C the best for me would be a sampler/s= equencer =3Bwith absolute real time capabilities=2C and advanced loopin= g functions (all what the Looperlative=2C Bumerang=2C RC-300 can do=2C more= a =3Bsequencing =3Bfunction which actually the looperlative has a = bit=2C if I am not wrong).
Th= en=2C but this is another theme=2C I want to be able to apply effects to th= e sounds on the fly (Kaoss Pad 3? Digitech Vocal 300? Both? Other things?).=

So... What can you suggest to me?
If I stick to the looper i= dea I am in this moment oriented to this lineup:
1) Bumerang III (but damn=2C no overdubbing?????= ???? If so=2C I have to decide if buying also a Vox looper=2C or don't know= what...)
2) Roland VP= -7 (already bought=2C no going back)
3) kaoss pad 3 and Vocal 300 for more strange effects=
4) one or two synths (I need= a general purpose synth with many sounds=2C and I think I like the blofeld= desktop. And then something more for fat basses and nice rhytms and strang= e sounds on the style of the analog synths. And for this I was thinking abo= ut Shruthi-1=2C and/or Arturia Minibrute)
5) a theremin
6) other instruments=2C like harmonica=2C kazoo=2C percussions= =2C and whatever can be interesting. Of course a mic for beatboxing.=

The only thing I have right now are point 2 a= nd 6.
All the rest=2C = I am open to suggestions=2C but of course especially about point 1 which is= still very open for me.


THANKS!!!!!!
= --_8dd33762-61df-4774-a1a5-637f13b8876e_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 04:02:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5103183466; Wed, 9 May 2012 04:02:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=l7pwC/McxNEoRb45q3yXYkyXG6szrJPLY2wegsSl25DW0sKoyyIlvgw4/qG31/M8; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <2192394.1336536161794.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 23:02:41 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Grant Reply-To: Grant To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding which tools Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 X-ELNK-Trace: 4627597e215714c3ca853a8129e90869f402879cecb40bd58180a077c15a339c2c3680cdab685cf78ab0b6f40cdb57e6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.25 Resent-Message-ID: <_5PonD.A.8KB.uxeqPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 04:02:55 +0000 (UTC)

> 1) Bumerang III (but damn, no overdubbing????????? If so, I have to decide if buying also a Vox looper, or don't know what...)

 

  The term "stacking" means "overdub" on the Boomerang and it is unlimited. For your application you might want to consider adding a Boomerang Sidecar which makes using 4 loops practical and still allows most other functions to be easily accessed. If you make loop 3 the first loop recorded all other loops created will be forced to a multiple length of loop 3 and will therefore stay in sync in any combination. This also allows you to have all loops stopped, start loop 3 and then start any number of other loops together on the next loop 3 restart. Anyway, I think it would likely work for most of the things you have mentioned. There may be other products that would be as good (or possibly better) for your needs but my experience is limited mainly to the Rang III product. Also (and hopefully) there may soon be some MIDI syncing capability added with a new software update.

 

G

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 04:22:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BF2E183461; Wed, 9 May 2012 04:22:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=+IY+OtZmp5ZQB2ootnDkIyFq4F6f889knpa04Zsq4iM=; b=NdPU0tR+iQomjxh4H0T9SVWcd3SsEXRD7+QeMzevu4ybEGRQwbeEC+mC9orjuhNxRs eMvOIr4Sy4J+ORtTyFx5MhdDatyb774tVGHJ4kIGPcShX6T/UOxwL/6QGLTMqlcVRVMT q7GPwKG/UEE4Uy51TqaWtZAAbv5BnRpkXaJap4ePFR45gANUaw7NQHbuXy9jnTnXGIRR Ys3FWyWZ2qkzw+4TDIPlFC1qsszpoqWxfKi9MDGorPFC5HxcOid2k02lOa2utp1zT7pm RDwJqfgSkq1kbCToshF2UCC9krJV0pgMAtnBRkEvoeHdKYlLXL/DfA0GMW7szIHlOHsF C+vg== From: Phil Clevenger Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--399633104 Subject: Re: Looping has feelings Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 21:22:15 -0700 In-Reply-To: <830C293A-B176-4B06-840A-15B2F964579A@earthlink.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <830C293A-B176-4B06-840A-15B2F964579A@earthlink.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <4brAQD.A.dZB._DfqPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 04:22:23 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--399633104 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Cara -=20 Can I just say - awesome EDP looping blues ! I've often wondered how EDP = techniques could work in a more song-like setting... if you ever wind up = playing in SF I'd sure love to hear you play, or even duet a bit :) Phil :) On May 7, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Cara Quinn wrote: > Lol! Seriously? the neighbors left? Really?!!! ;) >=20 > I don't' think I've ever heard of a loop being left on for two weeks! = That's awesome! Thanks for sharing that!=85 >=20 > I thought I'd post a little something that happened ages ago in 2003 = in Denver. I'm improvising live with two others at a little coffee house = on a Saturday night. >=20 > PX 4, Space Station and a single EdP=85 >=20 > YOu'll need to give this one just a couple of minutes to settle in. >=20 > http://www.caraquinn.com/NakedBluesCQSPJG.mp3 >=20 > Enjoy! >=20 > Cara :) > --- > View my Online Portfolio at: > http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn=20 >=20 > On May 7, 2012, at 12:30 PM, mark francombe wrote: >=20 > On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Per Boysen = wrote: > I too like the game to never letting a loop play back sounding exactly > the same as last round. >=20 > Ha ha I'm the opposite. One of the reasons I LOVE LOVE LOVE looping, = is exactly because I love the sound of a loop. I dont want to hide the = fact that is a loop, or (as I remember from repeater discussions) NOT = hear the loop point... I love the repetition of a loop, and especially = if the loop is not perfect and you can HEAR it. In fact for my gigs, I = usually am a little more like ichy-loop Boysen, and feel like I NEED to = change the loop all the time, adding, taking away, changing = lengths/pitching etc, but i reality and often at home, Im happy to let a = loop go on and on and on and on and on and on...=20 >=20 > I once left an EDP running for 2 weeks while I went on holiday.. when = I cam back it WAS still there, a tad distorted mind you, but it was = there.=20 >=20 > The neighbours had moved out though! >=20 > Mark >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-4--399633104 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Cara = - 

Can I just say - awesome EDP looping blues ! = I've often wondered how EDP techniques could work in a more song-like = setting... if you ever wind up playing in SF I'd sure love to hear you = play, or even duet a bit :)

Phil = :)


On May 7, 2012, at 10:23 PM, = Cara Quinn wrote:

Lol! Seriously? the = neighbors left? Really?!!! ;)

I don't' think I've = ever heard of a loop being left on for two weeks! That's awesome! Thanks = for sharing that!=85

I thought I'd post a = little something that happened ages ago in 2003 in Denver. I'm = improvising live with two others at a little coffee house on a Saturday = night.

PX 4, Space Station and a single = EdP=85

YOu'll need to give this one just a = couple of minutes to settle in.


Enjoy!
<= br>
Cara :)
---
View my = Online Portfolio at:

On May 7, 2012, at 12:30 PM, mark francombe = wrote:

On Mon, May 7, 2012 = at 6:45 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
I too like the game to never letting a loop play back = sounding exactly
the same as last round.

Ha ha I'm the = opposite. One of the reasons I LOVE LOVE LOVE looping, is exactly = because I love the sound of a loop. I dont want to hide the fact that is = a loop, or (as I remember from repeater discussions) NOT hear the loop = point... I love the repetition of a loop, and especially if the loop is = not perfect and you can HEAR it. In fact for my gigs, I usually am a = little more like ichy-loop Boysen, and feel like I NEED to change the = loop all the time, adding, taking away, changing lengths/pitching etc, = but i reality and often at home, Im happy to let a loop go on and on and = on and on and on and on...

I once left an EDP running for 2 weeks while I went on holiday.. = when I cam back it WAS still there, a tad distorted mind you, but it was = there.

The neighbours had moved out = though!

Mark



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Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter = @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/



= --Apple-Mail-4--399633104-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 04:56:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF701183462; Wed, 9 May 2012 04:56:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=9lgiAuiLIYb02frHkw1r02BdRxXRpgtU962melJrKtE=; b=d4eOoOjRYf6xfj1owBQSRr5wQ1rHbV0WXhwiIB7haAu86F20hiGythxq2bnxLSvBtd NOlrEBlgZyYvngQ0KfHiv1oWBEPcw4Sv/2X1/+2IgBXlZvHLJziY/Bv0lMqmYsOU7xP5 2N/6pTKIzFcONG4lUA3a/ZsCh6yYGGl5DvUSlkOdPliPCVQejKKgg4YbUrx13Hpe+aKR fqaRDPmNUyT5pczYSmXr0RXj/axMcGFxQcNojI3ogDzzw9algvuK1oSZCM13sBXQdXYj +qRE17DnCoFA3rALGvLMz4srUFL0AmEnlA2Ows0cOAtX8z87xxEZCdaA55XKiPpNLmTM h9ZA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FA9BCB5.5090205@cruzio.com> References: <4FA9BCB5.5090205@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 21:56:00 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Strategies for Hiding a Loop From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 04:56:01 +0000 (UTC) You got most of mine. I know of a few more: 9) Paint over the seam: This is so simple and probably so common it's almost not worth mentioning: on the second pass of the loop, record an event that occurs over the start/end point. This works best for non-rhythmic loops. It won't change the perception of repetition, but it will help obscure the start point. 10) Loop in an unexpected multiple: This works best with rhythmic playing. In most Western music, people expect patterns to occur in multiples of 2. (Events occur in songs 1, 2, 4 or 8 times in a row, but rarely, say, 5 times.) So, instead of recording 2 or 4 measures of your rhythm in a loop, try recording 3, or 5, or 12 measures. (I do this in the track "Mold" on the cd "Living Things" - the loop represents 3 repeats of the perceived pattern, where the ear expects it to be 1, 2 or 4.) 11) Keep loops minimal & complete them with live elements: The more predictable events there are on a loop, the quicker it wears out its welcome, I think. For example, if someone has a drum loop where there's 16 layers of kicks, snares, claps, toms, hi-hats, crash cymbals, cowbell, shakers, etc, it's only going to take a couple repeats for it to sound canned. On the other hand, if your loop includes only the basic kicks and hi-hats, and you play the snares and occasional accent kicks free-hand, you can get it to sound much more lively. --=20 Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com Rick Walker went: > in another thread, Matt Davignon pre-went: >> >> Some musicians (such as myself) attempt >> to hide the seam, in hopes that if people lose track of the loop's >> start/end point, they will stop perceiving the loop as an unaltered >> (canned?) element. >> >> > This is a favorite subject of mine. I'm very rhythmically oriented in my > music and I've never used > feedback for some strange reason in my looping. =A0Consequently, it's > important to figure out > ways to make one's loops not sound so static. > > Here are some of my strategies for > hiding the recurring nature of a loop from the listeners' ears. > > 1) I got this first one from Steve Lawson: =A0 =A0but a random filter on = your > loop that > has very strong sweeps between frequencies and high 'Q' values > > 2) =A0Use two different and non-syncrhonized loopers and make on long amb= ient > loop over which you put a rhythmic secondary looping track. =A0 The loop = will > randomly > cycle against each other. =A0 Even when they happen to coincide on each > other's downbeats, > it will have taken so long that the audience will not percieve it as a > coherence. > > 3) =A0With rhythmic loops you can use 'slip' functions (Electrix Repeater= ) or > mute/retrigger features > (like in the EDP) that retrigger wherever you were in the loop when you l= ast > mute the loop so that > the rhythm plays differently, rhythmically speaking against another eleme= nt > (this also requires two > loopers playing simultaneously. > > 4) Use any kind of modulation or delay functions that are in a different > time scale to your loop > (this is particularly effective with ambient loops that cycle over rhythm= ic > loops but can also be used > with two different ambient or textural loops in less rhythimcally bases > music. > > 5) =A0In software manipulation of loops, =A0use randomization features fo= r > processing or retriggering > one's looped content. > > 6) Using the 'scramble' functions and/or the quantized replace (Looperlat= ive > DL-1 terms) or INS=3DSUB > features in quantized mode to Replace rhythm fractions of your loop. > My brother is especially effective with this technique when using differe= nt > feedback percentages as he replaces. > > With auto swell, =A0volume pedal or guitar part swell or 'slow gear' guit= ar > techniques, =A0this also is a beautiful > way of continually morphing your loops. > > 7) =A0This next one I have almost no experience with, =A0but Matthias Gro= b truly > loves it and does it > beautifully...............using different feedback percentages to subtly > replace original content. > I think this category could be greatly expanded by the loopers here. > > 8) This one only exists in the LP-2 because I put it in the software for > this purpose: > Random Retrigger...............allows you to randomly retrigger one's loo= p > (the loop continues from > the random start point whenever this is used. =A0 Due to the nature of th= e > wave forms being of unequal > volume when randomly retriggered this always causes a rhythmic 'gated' > effect. > This is particularly effective at creating ambient or avant garde a-rhyth= mic > loops and then creating > and ostinato rhythm by rhythmically playing the foot pedal like a kick dr= um. > > In a best case scenario: =A0 use a secondary looper to re-loop your resul= ts. > > So, this begs the question: =A0 =A0What other strategies work well for th= is > musical purpose? > > Rick Walker > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 04:59:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5182A183461; Wed, 9 May 2012 04:59:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:importance:x-mailer :x-mimeole; bh=yE02A/9E9ir0p0YpBo8zF3et0Yldfbc9+YLgfyYSq1k=; b=Vp4M1tZd/zmZF7XrZW7UW2bwKADXdaWi3nAdB2skrIHbeRQeg2+SZJ08HMhE8t/D95 ICjfbwrgTryeR2AM0iy3+mtF28JXPoMK0rSgPvK1W2m66jG+LSAHNdiDX40eFyXBcOeG 7R6exJ/+MJcz3vt2qLdGCGciD0QdbX3l8IcyEAGt9slLDrff0rnRVqyIB2zdXTJFUQGD B7Yl/se5UaJA3t2XQ0XfzXaOeNNECbmTSO8Z7N7vlB+hON0WBBQvSr8cKJnRuuW8Pwie q2c/Veyx1vxVvwg5Z5ofjcAqBtPF+7PY1l6b0V5MuoH8CR00LnWaRDFeGIp+EXGWMYzn g92A== Message-ID: <274FD61F786944CF9789CE8E89884A77@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Boise Creative & Improvised Music Festival" To: References: <830C293A-B176-4B06-840A-15B2F964579A@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Looping has feelings Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 22:58:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01A9_01CD2D6E.26072F70"; type="multipart/alternative" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 04:59:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01A9_01CD2D6E.26072F70 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_01AA_01CD2D6E.26072F70" ------=_NextPart_001_01AA_01CD2D6E.26072F70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The crown will plainly show=20 The [looper] who now stands before you Was caught red-handed showing feelings Showing feelings of an almost human nature;=20 This will not do. 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On 5/8/12 9:56 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > You got most of mine. I know of a few more: > > 9) Paint over the seam: This is so simple and probably so common it's > almost not worth mentioning: on the second pass of the loop, record an > event that occurs over the start/end point. This works best for > non-rhythmic loops. It won't change the perception of repetition, but > it will help obscure the start point. > ** > > 10) Loop in an unexpected multiple: This works best with rhythmic > playing. In most Western music, people expect patterns to occur in > multiples of 2. (Events occur in songs 1, 2, 4 or 8 times in a row, > but rarely, say, 5 times.) So, instead of recording 2 or 4 measures of > your rhythm in a loop, try recording 3, or 5, or 12 measures. > (I do this in the track "Mold" on the cd "Living Things" - the loop > represents 3 repeats of the perceived pattern, where the ear expects > it to be 1, 2 or 4.) > > 11) Keep loops minimal& complete them with live elements: The more > predictable events there are on a loop, the quicker it wears out its > welcome, I think. For example, if someone has a drum loop where > there's 16 layers of kicks, snares, claps, toms, hi-hats, crash > cymbals, cowbell, shakers, etc, it's only going to take a couple > repeats for it to sound canned. On the other hand, if your loop > includes only the basic kicks and hi-hats, and you play the snares and > occasional accent kicks free-hand, you can get it to sound much more > lively. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 07:27:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F083183462; Wed, 9 May 2012 07:27:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1336548424; bh=N6XgKs21zWIKJUSg2ZDsbTF/dTGd1Yw4WV8H3IyOuLY=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer; b=ouKRobC6K5RI5bzSzbJieqae9KXaamu0oxSvHAMU+q6/9Y20PLhW0yU4oxR+vjus4VmOrVOSS8WIcl9dN34q3Qx8ZhNUH6s5ep8RBxxmniZuY1rP5H7iX4ZxzuXXMBlfR8PKEateGzG0tDA/ZJ2RdC/loSRL/6myh5pv8QdG2d4= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 558585.22359.bm@smtp148.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: jc4GgVYVM1lRDTW4_adi9816jh8rBm1_dd93x4_m7nnY72w ylv4Sgs8fQXuWFJKDNivjX6voN81SpzG85ayBELdDdCY5.RfdqaeN.W_1W6h pe.wPaEM973u6cBJgB51OKvbYDyQGRQXfFsyX6jAs2llmwLlAzEXPQXQQHEb xgstf3xu70uSzGua1c_G.9.LDWult6pJuRl27j3d8kQXNRqxgbkiS0vZbjTJ cmbm7N3R6Tw1MhjBkMLOzh10q8EkZfDIwaEkGCMBXvPHT1csoYbQgY3tS.lK UieeKX5CNHaBXF366uI3cUAeYEN0xlb8_MJDCMi6ZAu2RYDlB2B.4A.hJRX_ FsKBlr5jQrNazASj5ZuOTdME3m701k4mCr8NgTjlMRyCX137MaO5r70H3wJ0 f_94Liu6ngw_7._PPKPQzM5bULmPZsC0T2b.ShqI98omWYh4.HVrScN.2VY6 FKtGSCD59ZZwvSxlweE.KQ0LpnTCWidqx6.eGs6zj1Gnapist8BZGPsGfR2o 9ZuAfhpPpqj_8futQK9UNAAVOiavI8M4YfVS8c9tZEqdu.1iR6AOL7XaOJeu 8cSA- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 75CdczOswBChen.W3AbLhaW8TlC96TVo5w-- From: Ben To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 09:27:05 +0200 Subject: midi designer (OT?) Message-Id: <20120509092705.A2FB6538.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: nPOPuk Ver 2.16 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 07:27:06 +0000 (UTC) Hello, This is something that might interest some of you (if you have an ipad that is ;=3D) This is a midi controler app for the ipad i found yesterday doing a=20 search to replace my hardware controlers. http://mididesigner.com/ I know there are tons of othe similar apps but this one is interesting for its "ultimate hybrid" function. It was made from the ground up to be used with hardware pedalboards.=20 As pages change, the same hardware controls connect to different=20 controls. MIDI Designer is the first in the new generation of=20 hardware-software hybrids=E2=80=94unleash your MIDI hardware to control any= =20 number of pages! Finally, your hardware can act as a simple MIDI=20 controller (no more hardware pages!) and MIDI Designer becomes its=20 tactile heads-up display. It's quite hard to explain (mainly for me not being a native english=20 speaker) but this video is worth a look. http://www.youtube.com/watch=3Ffeature=3Dplayer=5Fembedded&v=3DQTPwArwcHMo And there is a free version too. I just installed it this morning and=20 didn't had the time to test a lot yet, but it seems well done. It might usefull also for those having midi pedal board without 'long=20 press' or toggle functions. Ben From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 08:42:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07299183460; Wed, 9 May 2012 08:42:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 761647130/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.16.112/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.16.112 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAMosqk9YbRBw/2dsb2JhbAANN7ZeAQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYgFuzuNeIMmBJcOhFKNSIFd X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,557,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="761647130" Message-ID: <4FAA2DF4.2070206@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 09:42:28 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How come pop music never comes up here? References: <20120508193328.15271.54993.levelstar.mail@everest> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 08:42:25 +0000 (UTC) Matt Davignon wrote: > There's a difference between "looping" (the repetitive use of audio > samples) and "live looping" (the act of recording those audio samples > in real-time during a performance before using them). Most of the > artists on loopers-delight.com, Indeed, however when Kim set up loopers-delight he wanted it to be for all kinds of looping. >livelooping.org yep, those guys are hardcore :-) >and this email list .....if anyone wants to talk pop loops, bring it on. > are concerned primarily with live looping. ...but there's still a lot to learn from how "canned loops" are used, > Looping, such as that you hear in most modern pop songs, has been the > industry standard way of recording pop music since digital recording > has been available. these days there's deliberately obvious loops, ...that's interesting. ...but rock bands looping their recordings secretly in the studio...that's really dull andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 08:42:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62FB8183462; Wed, 9 May 2012 08:42:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 771223345/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.16.112/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.16.112 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAKEtqk9YbRBw/2dsb2JhbAANN7ZeAQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYgFuzuNeIMmBJtgjUg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,557,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="771223345" Message-ID: <4FAA2E07.7040802@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 09:42:47 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Strategies for Hiding a Loop References: <4FA9BCB5.5090205@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4FA9BCB5.5090205@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 08:42:47 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker wrote: > 6) quantized replace > (Looperlative DL-1 terms) or INS=SUB > features in quantized mode to Replace rhythm fractions of your loop. dude....seriously! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 08:54:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81688183461; Wed, 9 May 2012 08:54:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_c8af76f3-dca9-431f-90da-2d3d4de4eed2_" X-Originating-IP: [87.102.15.109] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: Strategies for Hiding a Loop Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 08:54:24 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4FA9FB6D.1050707@cruzio.com> References: ,<4FA9FB6D.1050707@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2012 08:54:24.0603 (UTC) FILETIME=[554362B0:01CD2DC1] Resent-Message-ID: <6HVyv.A.60D.BDjqPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 08:54:26 +0000 (UTC) --_c8af76f3-dca9-431f-90da-2d3d4de4eed2_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable amen to that=2C I use a mix of live sequencing and more traditional audio loopers=2C it ten= ds to be that my Midi sequencing is always done in a 4/4 meter so I tend to= run my echoplex to grab moments to build into beds using meters like multi= ples of 5 and 7 ...its nice because this underlying audio loop is always in= sync=2C but never in a static relationship to the main loop. =20 > Date: Tue=2C 8 May 2012 22:06:53 -0700 > From: looppool@cruzio.com > To: mattdavignon@gmail.com > CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Re: Strategies for Hiding a Loop >=20 > Most excellent post=2C Thanks Matt!!! >=20 > On 5/8/12 9:56 PM=2C Matt Davignon wrote: > > You got most of mine. I know of a few more: > > > > 9) Paint over the seam: This is so simple and probably so common it's > > almost not worth mentioning: on the second pass of the loop=2C record a= n > > event that occurs over the start/end point. This works best for > > non-rhythmic loops. It won't change the perception of repetition=2C but > > it will help obscure the start point. > > ** > > > > 10) Loop in an unexpected multiple: This works best with rhythmic > > playing. In most Western music=2C people expect patterns to occur in > > multiples of 2. (Events occur in songs 1=2C 2=2C 4 or 8 times in a row= =2C > > but rarely=2C say=2C 5 times.) So=2C instead of recording 2 or 4 measur= es of > > your rhythm in a loop=2C try recording 3=2C or 5=2C or 12 measures. > > (I do this in the track "Mold" on the cd "Living Things" - the loop > > represents 3 repeats of the perceived pattern=2C where the ear expects > > it to be 1=2C 2 or 4.) > > > > 11) Keep loops minimal& complete them with live elements: The more > > predictable events there are on a loop=2C the quicker it wears out its > > welcome=2C I think. For example=2C if someone has a drum loop where > > there's 16 layers of kicks=2C snares=2C claps=2C toms=2C hi-hats=2C cra= sh > > cymbals=2C cowbell=2C shakers=2C etc=2C it's only going to take a coup= le > > repeats for it to sound canned. On the other hand=2C if your loop > > includes only the basic kicks and hi-hats=2C and you play the snares an= d > > occasional accent kicks free-hand=2C you can get it to sound much more > > lively. > > > > > > > > >=20 = --_c8af76f3-dca9-431f-90da-2d3d4de4eed2_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
amen to that=2C

I use a mix of live sequencing and more = traditional audio loopers=2C it tends to be that my Midi sequencing is alwa= ys done in a 4/4 meter so I tend to run my echoplex to grab moments to buil= d into beds using meters like multiples of 5 and 7 ...its nice because this= underlying audio loop is always in sync=2C but never in a static relations= hip to the main loop.

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>=3B Date: Tue=2C 8 May 2012 22:06:53 -070= 0
>=3B From: looppool@cruzio.com
>=3B To: mattdavignon@gmail.com<= br>>=3B CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B Subject: Re: Re= : Strategies for Hiding a Loop
>=3B
>=3B Most excellent post=2C = Thanks Matt!!!
>=3B
>=3B On 5/8/12 9:56 PM=2C Matt Davignon wro= te:
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= --_c8af76f3-dca9-431f-90da-2d3d4de4eed2_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 09:33:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41D69183461; Wed, 9 May 2012 09:33:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <4FA9BCB5.5090205@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Strategies for Hiding a Loop In-Reply-To: <4FA9BCB5.5090205@cruzio.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Patrick Bishop X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CEFBDDDEC832A1_18C0_FD9AB_webmail-d001.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36073-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CEFBDDDEB9EA5B-18C0-4C29E@webmail-d001.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [75.11.11.216] Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 05:33:05 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336555985; bh=gmE2nt78sFn22lbXrwnM6+P6tgajjxz0+sd7m5HUMVg=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cw2/1Fh6dZEeaNRCLbKJHEJ0NagelrftJoKbHCznfOQq0lJ58ObIPle2m66vZBexl vGkDXXjPvGkGlX3UIOGR3F4ewYA0L80qQtdkCbyRo5bxkZ7wYQUSSNIw+FuRGPzuCi VvmTXuqqekGNdKeb5ToAAU6qnTmrfzFEw4YMVB+s= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:448704288:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cb4faa39d14c3f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 09:33:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CEFBDDDEC832A1_18C0_FD9AB_webmail-d001.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" One thing that I find really effective is to fade in just a bit of reverse = loop to kind of hide the starting and ending points. This a great feature o= n the Vox Dynamic Looper but is probably available on other loopers as well= . Just a dab will do you. PJ -----Original Message----- From: Rick Walker To: Loopers-Delight Cc: Loopers-Delight Sent: Tue, May 8, 2012 10:53 pm Subject: Strategies for Hiding a Loop in another thread, Matt Davignon wrote: > Some musicians (such as myself) attempt > to hide the seam, in hopes that if people lose track of the loop's > start/end point, they will stop perceiving the loop as an unaltered > (canned?) element. > > This is a favorite subject of mine. I'm very rhythmically oriented in my=20 music and I've never used feedback for some strange reason in my looping. Consequently, it's=20 important to figure out ways to make one's loops not sound so static. Here are some of my strategies for hiding the recurring nature of a loop from the listeners' ears. 1) I got this first one from Steve Lawson: but a random filter on=20 your loop that has very strong sweeps between frequencies and high 'Q' values 2) Use two different and non-syncrhonized loopers and make on long ambient loop over which you put a rhythmic secondary looping track. The loop=20 will randomly cycle against each other. Even when they happen to coincide on each=20 other's downbeats, it will have taken so long that the audience will not percieve it as a=20 coherence. 3) With rhythmic loops you can use 'slip' functions (Electrix Repeater)=20 or mute/retrigger features (like in the EDP) that retrigger wherever you were in the loop when you=20 last mute the loop so that the rhythm plays differently, rhythmically speaking against another=20 element (this also requires two loopers playing simultaneously. 4) Use any kind of modulation or delay functions that are in a different=20 time scale to your loop (this is particularly effective with ambient loops that cycle over=20 rhythmic loops but can also be used with two different ambient or textural loops in less rhythimcally bases=20 music. 5) In software manipulation of loops, use randomization features for=20 processing or retriggering one's looped content. 6) Using the 'scramble' functions and/or the quantized replace=20 (Looperlative DL-1 terms) or INS=3DSUB features in quantized mode to Replace rhythm fractions of your loop. My brother is especially effective with this technique when using=20 different feedback percentages as he replaces. With auto swell, volume pedal or guitar part swell or 'slow gear'=20 guitar techniques, this also is a beautiful way of continually morphing your loops. 7) This next one I have almost no experience with, but Matthias Grob=20 truly loves it and does it beautifully...............using different feedback percentages to subtly=20 replace original content. I think this category could be greatly expanded by the loopers here. 8) This one only exists in the LP-2 because I put it in the software for=20 this purpose: Random Retrigger...............allows you to randomly retrigger one's=20 loop (the loop continues from the random start point whenever this is used. Due to the nature of the=20 wave forms being of unequal volume when randomly retriggered this always causes a rhythmic 'gated'=20 effect. This is particularly effective at creating ambient or avant garde=20 a-rhythmic loops and then creating and ostinato rhythm by rhythmically playing the foot pedal like a kick drum= . In a best case scenario: use a secondary looper to re-loop your results. So, this begs the question: What other strategies work well for this=20 musical purpose? Rick Walker =20 ----------MB_8CEFBDDDEC832A1_18C0_FD9AB_webmail-d001.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" One thing that I find really effective is to fade in just = a bit of reverse loop to kind of hide the starting and ending points. This = a great feature on the Vox Dynamic Looper but is probably available on othe= r loopers as well. Just a dab will do you.

PJ


in another thread, Matt Davignon wrote:
> Some musicians (such as myself) attempt
> to hide the seam, in hopes that if people lose track of the loop's
> start/end point, they will stop perceiving the loop as an unaltered
> (canned?) element.
>
>
This is a favorite subject of mine. I'm very rhythmically oriented in my=20
music and I've never used
feedback for some strange reason in my looping.  Consequently, it's=20
important to figure out
ways to make one's loops not sound so static.

Here are some of my strategies for
hiding the recurring nature of a loop from the listeners' ears.

1) I got this first one from Steve Lawson:    but a random filter on=20
your loop that
has very strong sweeps between frequencies and high 'Q' values

2)  Use two different and non-syncrhonized loopers and make on long ambient
loop over which you put a rhythmic secondary looping track.   The loop=20
will randomly
cycle against each other.   Even when they happen to coincide on each=20
other's downbeats,
it will have taken so long that the audience will not percieve it as a=20
coherence.

3)  With rhythmic loops you can use 'slip' functions (Electrix Repeater)=20
or mute/retrigger features
(like in the EDP) that retrigger wherever you were in the loop when you=20
last mute the loop so that
the rhythm plays differently, rhythmically speaking against another=20
element (this also requires two
loopers playing simultaneously.

4) Use any kind of modulation or delay functions that are in a different=20
time scale to your loop
(this is particularly effective with ambient loops that cycle over=20
rhythmic loops but can also be used
with two different ambient or textural loops in less rhythimcally bases=20
music.

5)  In software manipulation of loops,  use randomization features for=20
processing or retriggering
one's looped content.

6) Using the 'scramble' functions and/or the quantized replace=20
(Looperlative DL-1 terms) or INS=3DSUB
features in quantized mode to Replace rhythm fractions of your loop.
My brother is especially effective with this technique when using=20
different feedback percentages as he replaces.

With auto swell,  volume pedal or guitar part swell or 'slow gear'=20
guitar techniques,  this also is a beautiful
way of continually morphing your loops.

7)  This next one I have almost no experience with,  but Matthias Grob=20
truly loves it and does it
beautifully...............using different feedback percentages to subtly=20
replace original content.
I think this category could be greatly expanded by the loopers here.

8) This one only exists in the LP-2 because I put it in the software for=20
this purpose:
Random Retrigger...............allows you to randomly retrigger one's=20
loop (the loop continues from
the random start point whenever this is used.   Due to the nature of the=20
wave forms being of unequal
volume when randomly retriggered this always causes a rhythmic 'gated'=20
effect.
This is particularly effective at creating ambient or avant garde=20
a-rhythmic loops and then creating
and ostinato rhythm by rhythmically playing the foot pedal like a kick drum=
.

In a best case scenario:   use a secondary looper to re-loop your results.

So, this begs the question:    What other strategies work well for this=20
musical purpose?

Rick Walker
----------MB_8CEFBDDDEC832A1_18C0_FD9AB_webmail-d001.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 09:55:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A623E183462; Wed, 9 May 2012 09:55:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 759228802/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.16.112/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.16.112 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAAo+qk9YbRBw/2dsb2JhbAANN7ZiAQEEOBEvEQshFg8JAwIBAgFFHAGIFbtDjXiDJgSbYI1I X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,557,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="759228802" Message-ID: <4FAA3EF6.6020006@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 10:55:02 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding which tools References: ,,, ,<4FA95EAA.2000702@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 09:55:00 +0000 (UTC) Sergio G wrote: > *Andy:* > - I saw the Vox one, not tried anyway. I think I need more than 2 > parallel loops anyway if possible and I am a bit scared about the 90 sec > limitation. hi Sergio, what you're imagining is a pretty complex setup. ( more like the guys who use software to loop) You'll hear some very complex arrangements by live looping artists if you listen around a bit, and the first guess would be that you need multiple loops to achieve that. However that's not the case, it more depends on how controllable the loops are. For instance, I use the EDP (no longer in production) which only plays back one loop at a time, but listening you'll hear tracks dropping in and out fairly extensively. Truth is, it's not likely your going to *buy* your ideal setup and loop with it right away. If you want to do it with separate loops for each element then it's going mean you'll have to work out how to control groups of loops. You could do it with software, you could do it with the looperlative LP1(if you can get one), but either way the "maths" of controlling them fluently isn't done for you. Expect to put in some hours doing setup on a regular basis. It's not just having the gear, it's getting a feel for using it, ...it needs practise, just like an instrument. That's why it's already been suggested you start out with a simple loop device, and work with it to get the most out of it. Then you get to know how it all works...and you'll get "good at it". You'll also quite likely find that your music can develop in new ways as you experiment with what your loop device is capable of (or by working round what it can't do). I think I'm fairly safe in saying that's how everybody here did it. All that being said, yes the Boomerang III looks like a really good choice. I can't imagine you'd be disappointed. The Vox VDL-1, apart from two separate loops, has an Undo/Redo function which lets you bring a group of layers in and out. If you think about it, you can make that sound like you have 4 loops, each with multiple overdubs (...well you *could*). If you wanted to go the "get something cheap and try it out" route then it's way more sophisticated than the other cheap devices. Something like the Boss RC-2 or Digitec JamMan are just so basic I think you'd outgrow them in about a day :-) andy butler www.andybutler.com/mp3.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 09:56:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F3B1183461; Wed, 9 May 2012 09:56:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=cs9lbLaa/6zUz8eYb0vd5+sq/9L+Ia8ASbUagzq3NXk=; b=cc76mfLY4d5biq2kuot+/tiwC4u94NEPQ8tloFJGJ5nkccN/dsDbLqFQXj9OS0RaqA 0TfVv/Gpy4oWQTfmINHX0r1GZOmWFZluGdKpY8Y9ZaIHpQY6ha1cfaqnYSw5Ymrdaeh8 hXh9i2yNr1F7jGQ2/xO7sM2sokU9AQp0bnTCKdleB910fpOCFLSwk+0PPgPvtKHp1Sm5 u2zUqZ+XqD9Kgp6iRD/pxFK2hsEZPYqyN7Vy76Zjc9t0W/wirN7KsXX01tHzh21sXFBV H228+YcertjXSlc9LZt7TTKAmIsuPeSgvbxquReX/ABpz2j3pZPnCnmk0CInsB2F4IwE caTw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4FAA2DF4.2070206@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20120508193328.15271.54993.levelstar.mail@everest> <4FAA2DF4.2070206@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 11:55:59 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ekFgNL9ZRgB7itiCDqLfvWXrp4s Message-ID: Subject: Re: How come pop music never comes up here? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec554d4ecdcb27404bf978305 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 09:56:22 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec554d4ecdcb27404bf978305 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 10:42 AM, andy butler wrote: > > ...but rock bands looping their recordings secretly in the studio...that's > really dull Of course, because its often used to hide bad-musicianship (theres the pot calling the kettle black) but theres till alot of looping in a band context that kinda works BECAUSE the loopy-ness of the track is important, Tell me that Ministry didnt loop all their rock stuff. Nowadays I think of looping on a DAW as not being looping at all, but "recording". But thats cos I primarily make music solo. I still like it when I can hear that the band were playing together, in the same room, all at once. And that sound is rare nowadays, even if the band IS playing live, it often gets so over polished in post, that they maybe could have just looped the shit. I still maintain that the reason that I love looping is because it sounds looped, I love the simple guitar 4 bars where theres a little string scrape or accidental, that comes around and and around. (but now Im veering back into the topic of another thread.) I think the simple answer as to why pop music is not represented here too often is simply that pop music is rarely live. SO live looping is kinda out of the picture. However Im sure there must be many "pop" musicians buying loopers now top acheive in live shows, what they put together in the studio. But you wont find them there because looping is not at the core of their work. -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --bcaec554d4ecdcb27404bf978305 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 10:42 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk= > wrote:

...but rock bands looping their recordings secretly in the studio...that= 9;s really dull

Of course, because its often used to h= ide bad-musicianship (theres the pot calling the kettle black) but theres t= ill alot of looping in a band context that kinda works BECAUSE the loopy-ne= ss of the track is important, Tell me that Ministry didnt loop all their ro= ck stuff.

Nowadays I think of looping on a DAW as not being looping at all, but &= quot;recording". But thats cos I primarily make music solo. I still li= ke it when I can hear that the band were playing together, in the same room= , all at once. And that sound is rare nowadays, even if the band IS playing= live, it often gets so over polished in post, that they maybe could have j= ust looped the shit.

I still maintain that the reason that I love looping is because it soun= ds looped, I love the simple guitar 4 bars where theres a little string scr= ape or accidental, that comes around and and around. (but now Im veering ba= ck into the topic of another thread.)

I think the simple answer as to why pop music is not represented here t= oo often is simply that pop music is rarely live. SO live looping is kinda = out of the picture. However Im sure there must be many "pop" musi= cians buying loopers now top acheive in live shows, what they put together = in the studio. But you wont find them there because looping is not at the c= ore of their work.



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http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
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--bcaec554d4ecdcb27404bf978305-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 10:03:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A979C18345E; Wed, 9 May 2012 10:03:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=0ZWVXWwwG4YB54ZiPJ6mfhoUeSl96CrHzXZBdEg7o4s=; b=HjrmM18X6+Tkv1tBWRspWIIOngKnwOGV9t1a1SqZD4ulmzIjip7QM7J22LiUBAFYdQ VTCHNE5CU0u1Siao5RMA4LV/kDdQprO1jDnfOkiVHe+VrGO0lc7Vn4joBqvFtGp+l5kv pQrmMBZhdQ9SMciM2V9g5Zbk7EMl2sQn0+RMxF52rKUlBWzWcx2RiXpAOmddJXuX1ZZU 9aQnUk/DuTe/hArk8N2DuD+uYx4ONwlRa3nVLWKtOS/s6e0ZNx7hqVIGCR4cewrIU/kP KPsYCeo41hvq5fg8OVbtXknYVZ7YydfQWOrcCRDrxgMpE8pjYADFzNNaNXKDPzjFec3D PDBQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8CEFBDDDEB9EA5B-18C0-4C29E@webmail-d001.sysops.aol.com> References: <4FA9BCB5.5090205@cruzio.com> <8CEFBDDDEB9EA5B-18C0-4C29E@webmail-d001.sysops.aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 12:03:38 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Strategies for Hiding a Loop From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 10:03:39 +0000 (UTC) Interesting thread! A lot of useful techniques has been listed, but I think the challenge is to pick a few and learn to play well with them. I'm constantly working on cutting down my arsenal of options to increase the performance power and musical versatility. One important way for me is to make commands instantly available at many locations. So if I happen to be at a different MIDI foot pedalboard bank page than the page that host my Overdub Button I may just reach out a hand instead and push a button on a table top mixer or a laptop key to move into Overdub Mode. Etc, etc... Another method I favor is to use one controller to control many parameters in the looping rig. This is also knows as morphing. Again, the looper is an instrument and as all instruments the lighter touch it takes the better it plays. Setting up expression pedals for morphing is similar to adjusting intonation to stringed instrument. A little change at one place affects other parts too and everything is inter related. Working with feedback you have to find the precise sweetspot where the loop stays hovering in space without dying away or exploding into overload mess. An interesting area is to place one end of the control range a bit above the safety level, meaning it will explode into overload unless you don't keep working the loop at a certain pace. Generally I like to keep loops rather static, I kind of like that. One has to listen while playing though, because there will come a point in time where some change has to be induced or the whole static loop thing will start sounding lame (as opposed to mesemizing). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 10:12:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F87D183464; Wed, 9 May 2012 10:12:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=//GEMatdFDuCDiMgm6++JpJYfJlugetiPFHWPZ74Xco=; b=egGSpYklkmKMdQTJAWzlJ59liZXvWufcAhqOXp6xA9nJUl5//1zxFltVRxfIFSxVp/ MyBbIyhwoWGIH/CUfohb98R7ud1gh2egYlzh0CQ0i8OXAomfueOvJomznRrAH30PBxcD 4k5NlmDeKvsjOoeZith2hyCprQ+qHAmXv4K2xqlzInjzdI9n1Yo4beaDaIJ7/9meO4sC 0LPJ/G5hGYrIKPEwiFTomLUDTunIJI7CMkWIeB8gwA9hdyRDF361DYayjSRCEkBBD4Df rfK2VtXfpjYGpZ9TySaZvYVCoV6LBXULyLBxiO23CwbkRYjPNGlu0IEQtg2gg3SApS4H dV1A== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20120508193328.15271.54993.levelstar.mail@everest> <4FAA2DF4.2070206@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 12:12:32 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How come pop music never comes up here? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 10:12:33 +0000 (UTC) One reason might be that singer songwriters normally do not buy a looping pedal out of interest for looping but rather for covering up for lacking backing musician and getting a show together. If you are not very interested in looping per se you don't spend time posting to this list. :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:55 AM, mark francombe wrote: > On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 10:42 AM, andy butler wrote: >> >> >> ...but rock bands looping their recordings secretly in the studio...that's >> really dull > > > Of course, because its often used to hide bad-musicianship (theres the pot > calling the kettle black) but theres till alot of looping in a band context > that kinda works BECAUSE the loopy-ness of the track is important, Tell me > that Ministry didnt loop all their rock stuff. > > Nowadays I think of looping on a DAW as not being looping at all, but > "recording". But thats cos I primarily make music solo. I still like it when > I can hear that the band were playing together, in the same room, all at > once. And that sound is rare nowadays, even if the band IS playing live, it > often gets so over polished in post, that they maybe could have just looped > the shit. > > I still maintain that the reason that I love looping is because it sounds > looped, I love the simple guitar 4 bars where theres a little string scrape > or accidental, that comes around and and around. (but now Im veering back > into the topic of another thread.) > > I think the simple answer as to why pop music is not represented here too > often is simply that pop music is rarely live. SO live looping is kinda out > of the picture. However Im sure there must be many "pop" musicians buying > loopers now top acheive in live shows, what they put together in the studio. > But you wont find them there because looping is not at the core of their > work. > > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 11:27:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AECD6183460; Wed, 9 May 2012 11:27:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_b18d0e7c-86b2-4a5f-9dc2-cb9570703b6a_" X-Originating-IP: [217.92.188.169] From: Sergio G Sender: To: Subject: RE: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding which tools Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 11:27:50 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4FAA3EF6.6020006@tiscali.co.uk> References: ,,, ,<4FA95EAA.2000702@tiscali.co.uk> ,<4FAA3EF6.6020006@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2012 11:27:49.0442 (UTC) FILETIME=[C3C65A20:01CD2DD6] Resent-Message-ID: <_QfS3C.A.pbF.2SlqPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 11:27:50 +0000 (UTC) --_b18d0e7c-86b2-4a5f-9dc2-cb9570703b6a_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hallo Andy... I understand what you mean.I just think that also the Vox one may be outgro= w extremely soon.But eventually if it will be too difficult of expensive t= o get a Rang II here=2C I will try out that one in Thomann.de and give it b= ack if I do not like it (30 days of time :) ) Sergio > Date: Wed=2C 9 May 2012 10:55:02 +0100 > From: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding which = tools >=20 >=20 > Sergio G wrote: >=20 > > *Andy:*=20 > > - I saw the Vox one=2C not tried anyway. I think I need more than 2=20 > > parallel loops anyway if possible and I am a bit scared about the 90 se= c=20 > > limitation.=20 >=20 > hi Sergio=2C > what you're imagining is a pretty complex setup. > ( more like the guys who use software to loop) >=20 > You'll hear some very complex arrangements by live looping artists > if you listen around a bit=2C and the first guess would be that you > need multiple loops to achieve that. >=20 > However that's not the case=2C it more depends on how controllable > the loops are. > For instance=2C I use the EDP (no longer in production) which only=20 > plays back one loop at a time=2C but listening you'll hear tracks > dropping in and out fairly extensively. >=20 >=20 > Truth is=2C it's not likely your going to *buy* your ideal setup > and loop with it right away. If you want to do it with separate > loops for each element then it's going mean you'll have to work > out how to control groups of loops. > You could do it with software=2C > you could do it with the looperlative LP1(if you can get one)=2C > but either way the "maths" of controlling them fluently isn't done for yo= u. > Expect to put in some hours doing setup on a regular basis. >=20 > It's not just having the gear=2C it's getting a feel for using it=2C > ....it needs practise=2C just like an instrument. >=20 >=20 > That's why it's already been suggested you start out with a simple > loop device=2C and work with it to get the most out of it. > Then you get to know how it all works...and you'll get "good at it". > You'll also quite likely find that your music can develop in new > ways as you experiment with what your loop device is capable > of (or by working round what it can't do). > I think I'm fairly safe in saying that's how everybody here did it. >=20 > All that being said=2C yes the Boomerang III looks like a really good > choice. I can't imagine you'd be disappointed. >=20 > The Vox VDL-1=2C apart from two separate loops=2C has an Undo/Redo > function which lets you bring a group of layers in and out. > If you think about it=2C you can make that sound like you have 4 loops=2C > each with multiple overdubs (...well you *could*). > If you wanted to go the "get something cheap and try it out" route > then it's way more sophisticated than the other cheap devices. >=20 > Something like the Boss RC-2 or Digitec JamMan are just so basic > I think you'd outgrow them in about a day :-) >=20 > andy butler > www.andybutler.com/mp3.htm >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 = --_b18d0e7c-86b2-4a5f-9dc2-cb9570703b6a_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hallo Andy...

I understand what you mean.
I ju= st think that also the Vox one may be outgrow  =3Bextremely soon.
=
But eventually if it will be too difficult of expensive to get a Rang = II here=2C I will try out that one in Thomann.de and give it back if I do n= ot like it (30 days of time :) )
 =3BSergio

>=3B Date: Wed=2C 9 May 2012 10:5= 5:02 +0100
>=3B From: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk
>=3B To: Loopers-Del= ight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B Subject: Re: "Mainly Vocal" looping perf= ormances: help in deciding which tools
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B Serg= io G wrote:
>=3B
>=3B >=3B *Andy:*
>=3B >=3B - I saw t= he Vox one=2C not tried anyway. I think I need more than 2
>=3B >= =3B parallel loops anyway if possible and I am a bit scared about the 90 se= c
>=3B >=3B limitation.
>=3B
>=3B hi Sergio=2C
>= =3B what you're imagining is a pretty complex setup.
>=3B ( more like = the guys who use software to loop)
>=3B
>=3B You'll hear some ve= ry complex arrangements by live looping artists
>=3B if you listen aro= und a bit=2C and the first guess would be that you
>=3B need multiple = loops to achieve that.
>=3B
>=3B However that's not the case=2C = it more depends on how controllable
>=3B the loops are.
>=3B For = instance=2C I use the EDP (no longer in production) which only
>=3B p= lays back one loop at a time=2C but listening you'll hear tracks
>=3B = dropping in and out fairly extensively.
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B Tru= th is=2C it's not likely your going to *buy* your ideal setup
>=3B and= loop with it right away. If you want to do it with separate
>=3B loop= s for each element then it's going mean you'll have to work
>=3B out h= ow to control groups of loops.
>=3B You could do it with software=2C>=3B you could do it with the looperlative LP1(if you can get one)=2C>=3B but either way the "maths" of controlling them fluently isn't done= for you.
>=3B Expect to put in some hours doing setup on a regular ba= sis.
>=3B
>=3B It's not just having the gear=2C it's getting a f= eel for using it=2C
>=3B ....it needs practise=2C just like an instrum= ent.
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B That's why it's already been suggested= you start out with a simple
>=3B loop device=2C and work with it to g= et the most out of it.
>=3B Then you get to know how it all works...an= d you'll get "good at it".
>=3B You'll also quite likely find that you= r music can develop in new
>=3B ways as you experiment with what your = loop device is capable
>=3B of (or by working round what it can't do).=
>=3B I think I'm fairly safe in saying that's how everybody here did = it.
>=3B
>=3B All that being said=2C yes the Boomerang III looks= like a really good
>=3B choice. I can't imagine you'd be disappointed= .
>=3B
>=3B The Vox VDL-1=2C apart from two separate loops=2C ha= s an Undo/Redo
>=3B function which lets you bring a group of layers in= and out.
>=3B If you think about it=2C you can make that sound like y= ou have 4 loops=2C
>=3B each with multiple overdubs (...well you *coul= d*).
>=3B If you wanted to go the "get something cheap and try it out"= route
>=3B then it's way more sophisticated than the other cheap devi= ces.
>=3B
>=3B Something like the Boss RC-2 or Digitec JamMan ar= e just so basic
>=3B I think you'd outgrow them in about a day :-)
= >=3B
>=3B andy butler
>=3B www.andybutler.com/mp3.htm
>= =3B
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B
<= /div>
= --_b18d0e7c-86b2-4a5f-9dc2-cb9570703b6a_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 11:37:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16DA0183463; Wed, 9 May 2012 11:37:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_711045a4-b4d6-489a-adaa-5645cf355b1d_" X-Originating-IP: [217.92.188.169] From: Sergio G Sender: To: Subject: looperparadise.de Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 11:37:57 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2012 11:37:58.0394 (UTC) FILETIME=[2EBD0DA0:01CD2DD8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 11:37:58 +0000 (UTC) --_711045a4-b4d6-489a-adaa-5645cf355b1d_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello community :) Does anybody have a feedback about quality of service and assistance from l= ooperparadise.de?I saw in Boomerang site that they say that the locar deale= r can surely make a "better price". So I have checked all the european shop= s in the where to buy section of boomerang site=2C and saw this in Germany= =2C one in Italy=2C one in Austria.This of Germany sell the Rang at 525 eur= o and the side car at 265. The others sell the Rang at 489 and the Side Car= at 216.I preferred to buy in Germany also in case of problems=2C shipping = back=2C etc. So I asked them a better price.The first answer was quite unki= nd and ironic=2C "no comment=2C sorry". Unbelievable.Then I "apologized" if= my asking a better price seemed offensive=2C explaining that I had found b= etter prices and anyway I would have preferred to buy with them=2C and that= in Boomerang site they are so sure that the local dealer can do a better p= rice=2C that I was sure too.Their answer was "the price you find it on my w= ebsite". I am without world.I would like to have your feedbacks on that shop=2C and = if somebody know some folk there=2C it would be nice a contact and good wor= k. Even if generally when I receive this kind of treatment I even prefer to= pay more in another place. ThanksSergio = --_711045a4-b4d6-489a-adaa-5645cf355b1d_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello community :)

Does =3Banybody have a feedback a= bout quality of service and assistance from looperparadise.de?
I = saw in Boomerang site that they say that the locar dealer can surely make a= "better price". So I have checked all the european shops in the where to b= uy section of boomerang site=2C and saw this in Germany=2C one in Italy=2C = one in Austria.
This =3Bof Germany sell the Rang at 525 euro = and the side car at 265. The others sell the Rang at 489 and the Side Car a= t 216.
I preferred to buy in Germany also in case of problems=2C = shipping back=2C etc. So I asked them a better price.
The first a= nswer was quite unkind and ironic=2C "no comment=2C sorry". Unbelievable.
Then I "apologized" if my asking a better price seemed offensive= =2C explaining that I had found better prices and anyway I would have prefe= rred to buy with them=2C and that in Boomerang site they are so sure that t= he local dealer can do a better price=2C that I was sure too.
The= ir answer was "the price you find it on my website".

I am without world.
I would like to have your feedbacks on tha= t shop=2C and if somebody know some folk there=2C it would be nice a contac= t and good work. Even if generally when I receive this kind of treatment I = even =3Bprefer =3Bto pay more in another place.

Thanks
Sergio
= --_711045a4-b4d6-489a-adaa-5645cf355b1d_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 12:55:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AEF0183462; Wed, 9 May 2012 12:55:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_8d07c99b-90d8-450e-bf2c-5f2f56363c4b_" X-Originating-IP: [62.7.183.6] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: looperparadise.de Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 12:55:13 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2012 12:55:13.0578 (UTC) FILETIME=[F98600A0:01CD2DE2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 12:55:15 +0000 (UTC) --_8d07c99b-90d8-450e-bf2c-5f2f56363c4b_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HI Sergio=2CI remember now that I couldn't get a reasonable price in Europe= so sent off to the US from a company called Mad Ape. It took a while to ge= t here in the UK but their current price is $469 as opposed to your quote w= hich comes to $681 -quite a saving! http://www.themadape.com/Boomerang_II= I_Phrase_Sampler_Pedal_p/b-3phrase.htmYou might want to download the Boomer= ang III manual=2C (or check out some youtube videos) to while away the time= till it arrives. I was certainly not disappointed! The=2C (stereo) sound q= uality in particular is very transparent my ears and the pedal is well desi= gned in terms of its layout=2C size and robustness. No continuous varispeed= though but I think it has a half speed option. The nice thing is that the = proprietor will actually respond to emails personally.Good luck! Peace G Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk From: simpliflying@gmail.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: looperparadise.de Date: Wed=2C 9 May 2012 11:37:57 +0000 Hello community :) Does anybody have a feedback about quality of service and assistance from l= ooperparadise.de?I saw in Boomerang site that they say that the locar deale= r can surely make a "better price". So I have checked all the european shop= s in the where to buy section of boomerang site=2C and saw this in Germany= =2C one in Italy=2C one in Austria.This of Germany sell the Rang at 525 eur= o and the side car at 265. The others sell the Rang at 489 and the Side Car= at 216.I preferred to buy in Germany also in case of problems=2C shipping = back=2C etc. So I asked them a better price.The first answer was quite unki= nd and ironic=2C "no comment=2C sorry". Unbelievable.Then I "apologized" if= my asking a better price seemed offensive=2C explaining that I had found b= etter prices and anyway I would have preferred to buy with them=2C and that= in Boomerang site they are so sure that the local dealer can do a better p= rice=2C that I was sure too.Their answer was "the price you find it on my w= ebsite". I am without world.I would like to have your feedbacks on that shop=2C and = if somebody know some folk there=2C it would be nice a contact and good wor= k. Even if generally when I receive this kind of treatment I even prefer to= pay more in another place. ThanksSergio = --_8d07c99b-90d8-450e-bf2c-5f2f56363c4b_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
HI Sergio=2C
I remember now that I couldn't get a reasonable price in E= urope so sent off to the US from a company called Mad Ape. It took a while = to get here in the UK but their current price is $469 as opposed to your qu= ote which comes to  =3B$681  =3B-quite a saving! =3B
= http://www.themadape.com/Boomerang_III_Phrase_Sampler_Pedal_p/b-3phrase.htm=
You might want to download the Boomerang III manual=2C (or check= out some youtube videos) to while away the time till it arrives. I was cer= tainly not disappointed! The=2C (stereo) sound quality in particular is ver= y transparent my ears and the pedal is well designed in terms of its layout= =2C size and robustness. No continuous varispeed though but I think it has = a half speed option. The nice thing is that the proprietor will actually re= spond to emails personally.
Good luck!

P= eace

G

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk=

From: simpliflying@gmail.com
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=
Subject: looperparadise.de
Date: Wed=2C 9 May 2012 11:37:57 +0000
Hello community :)

Does =3Banybody have a feedback a= bout quality of service and assistance from looperparadise.de?
I = saw in Boomerang site that they say that the locar dealer can surely make a= "better price". So I have checked all the european shops in the where to b= uy section of boomerang site=2C and saw this in Germany=2C one in Italy=2C = one in Austria.
This =3Bof Germany sell the Rang at 525 euro = and the side car at 265. The others sell the Rang at 489 and the Side Car a= t 216.
I preferred to buy in Germany also in case of problems=2C = shipping back=2C etc. So I asked them a better price.
The first a= nswer was quite unkind and ironic=2C "no comment=2C sorry". Unbelievable.
Then I "apologized" if my asking a better price seemed offensive= =2C explaining that I had found better prices and anyway I would have prefe= rred to buy with them=2C and that in Boomerang site they are so sure that t= he local dealer can do a better price=2C that I was sure too.
The= ir answer was "the price you find it on my website".

I am without world.
I would like to have your feedbacks on tha= t shop=2C and if somebody know some folk there=2C it would be nice a contac= t and good work. Even if generally when I receive this kind of treatment I = even =3Bprefer =3Bto pay more in another place.

Thanks
Sergio
=
= --_8d07c99b-90d8-450e-bf2c-5f2f56363c4b_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 15:06:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2075C183462; Wed, 9 May 2012 15:06:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Doodle Music From: Mark Hamburg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 08:06:28 -0700 To: "loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B176) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 15:06:32 +0000 (UTC) Not LIVE looping but she starts out with "loops"... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av_Us6xHkUc&feature=youtube_gdata_player From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 15:23:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12B11183462; Wed, 9 May 2012 15:22:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5E93F886-BA20-4DFB-8161-E0523ECCCF09@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9--359997124 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Strategies for Hiding a Loop Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 08:22:51 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 15:22:59 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-9--359997124 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "One thing that I find really effective is to fade in just a bit of reverse loop to kind of hide the starting and ending points. This a great feature on the Vox Dynamic Looper but is probably available on other loopers as well. Just a dab will do you." Good strategy patrick, will this strategy be henceforth known as the Brylcreem maneuver? and if so , will this mean women won't be able to resist getting there fingers in our loops? to wit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6F4GtyRfto --Apple-Mail-9--359997124 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "One thing that I find = really effective is to fade in just a bit of reverse loop to kind of = hide the starting and ending points. This a great feature on the Vox = Dynamic Looper but is probably available on other loopers as well. Just = a dab will do you."


Good strategy patrick,  will this strategy be = henceforth known as the Brylcreem maneuver? and if so , will this mean = women won't be able to resist getting there fingers in our = loops?
 to = wit:
= = --Apple-Mail-9--359997124-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 15:24:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02B51183463; Wed, 9 May 2012 15:24:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FAA8C38.8010407@brainticket.de> Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 17:24:40 +0200 From: Andreas Berg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looper for minimal music Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 15:24:46 +0000 (UTC) I would like to make some a rather experimental "kind of minimal music" thing with "phase shifting" and i am looking for a looper or a setting of different looping-devices to realise this. It's about recording a loop, copy it to another track and change it's tempo or do timestretching on it to bring it out of sync to the original loop. The whole thing would be mainly about copying one original loop and modify it a bit several times and let all the variations play simultaniously and free (unsynced and as independent tracks). (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phasing) I already read a lot about all the loopers that are on the market (and also about the legends that are "out of stock") and i think none of them is really suitable because it is always something missing (multi-tracking, timestretching, tempo control of single tracks ...). So another idea is to bring different loopers in chain but i actually have no clear vision how to do that and what the best devices for that would be as i could maybe even combine their features in this solution. I'm thankful for any advice... (maybe there is even a solution i never thought of like using ... instead of loopers. But it has to be a hardware solution - i don't want to use software) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 15:26:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6625B183455; Wed, 9 May 2012 15:26:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=pv7z+8SkkMoGlCH11xOR7Cd0HYle91TQTfttAQqarkk=; b=Ds7i8pQdf42mFu3BnMcJ/1gZ/UDYEz1HwJZvAVfOa72vJcrcx/SDxuZX0mhrUyaisa ivaHgRPUUl5iDwrkbimW2Le+yT01AQ2nKidEsgJYfUxxiNQz6S10CUcCGnkP1IZdgh2J GbZJDqx+ynl5ixCeXmxTvtO0RMRtCG6fnonhE7YC1Jz7rmbkl7WK4DfmxXEaKf7rE7DT 4e5+7PAwXMLlRobAQK4xcbUtfIvAToez98WcRXJC0IY5ilUJ9hH8AqJIGvHIEaDY1GwZ JcrLNNlq1/t85cDAeR8shvkd2LscIGKJneKu+AY18yqR/Xd+VRCR8Cd08Zh2gCkxfvl5 rp6Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5E93F886-BA20-4DFB-8161-E0523ECCCF09@baymoon.com> References: <5E93F886-BA20-4DFB-8161-E0523ECCCF09@baymoon.com> From: Mike Fugazzi Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 10:25:45 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Strategies for Hiding a Loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff2471537947304bf9c1f84 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 15:26:07 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8ff2471537947304bf9c1f84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I admit to not really following this chain of emails, but if you are talking a smooth transition from the end to the start, I find playing through the first note or two of the "one" works really well. ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 10:22 AM, William Walker wrote: > "One thing that I find really effective is to fade in just a bit of > reverse loop to kind of hide the starting and ending points. This a great > feature on the Vox Dynamic Looper but is probably available on other > loopers as well. Just a dab will do you." > > > Good strategy patrick, will this strategy be henceforth known as the > Brylcreem maneuver? and if so , will this mean women won't be able to > resist getting there fingers in our loops? > to wit: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6F4GtyRfto > --e89a8ff2471537947304bf9c1f84 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I admit to not really following this chain of emails, but if you are talkin= g a smooth transition from the end to the start, I find playing through the= first note or two of the "one" works really well.=A0
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Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
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Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 10:22 AM, William= Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
"One thing that I find really effective is to fade in just a= bit of reverse loop to kind of hide the starting and ending points. This a= great feature on the Vox Dynamic Looper but is probably available on other= loopers as well. Just a dab will do you."


Good strategy patrick, =A0will this strategy be henceforth known as the Brylc= reem maneuver? and if so , will this mean women won't be able to resist= getting there fingers in our loops?
=A0to wit:
<= /div>

--e89a8ff2471537947304bf9c1f84-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 15:39:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27721183460; Wed, 9 May 2012 15:39:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=MxK7jL4n5BcRg3/apMzVFkRZ0tMDlacegRQgR0/zOoo=; b=NB6Aew/gPKBYU3nICZrUafqPjUTKjUHTEsQjDtRNuYqH4IqqNRcJpJ0fn5kMK9h+AK CP30pmaqwGJo09XHavfkKrRI4lP1eVm97cgB/aF9SjJj6oADIypQlgnQMkVJMu+7dtXA Icju2ECXTqaJNdMGQgFZDheNRMTEhB4wx67pdhHyKu6zjtBGdWz5oq2MLSGwFqxrp7Dw giq1/AIpQmdSQji8ZSol646fKSKkmGT13/nXWDTvZPqw18hDxzZJy5/0RPVa5ZZvGNL4 KE28CGnFL+e3c4/RyUKyOIq/YOJFohCMlYEd0zYWPry4jHzdrOQPuMGLto2K/LKwHfBl tDCQ== Subject: Re: Looper for minimal music References: <4FAA8C38.8010407@brainticket.de> From: Simeon Harris Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (8C148) In-Reply-To: <4FAA8C38.8010407@brainticket.de> Message-Id: <92A71175-2D0A-4ACD-9216-0E27554C4BCE@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 16:40:06 +0100 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPod Mail 8C148) Resent-Message-ID: <1LVAcB.A.YJ.w-oqPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 15:39:29 +0000 (UTC) The only hardware solution I can think of would be the electrix repeater, wh= ich would pretty much do everything you're looking for.=20 Sent from my iPod On 9 May 2012, at 16:24, Andreas Berg wrote: > I would like to make some a rather experimental "kind of minimal music" th= ing with "phase shifting" and i am looking for a looper or a setting of diff= erent looping-devices to realise this. > It's about recording a loop, copy it to another track and change it's temp= o or do timestretching on it to bring it out of sync to the original loop. > The whole thing would be mainly about copying one original loop and modify= it a bit several times and let all the variations play simultaniously and f= ree (unsynced and as independent tracks). > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phasing) >=20 > I already read a lot about all the loopers that are on the market (and als= o about the legends that are "out of stock") and i think none of them is rea= lly suitable because it is always something missing (multi-tracking, timestr= etching, tempo control of single tracks ...). > So another idea is to bring different loopers in chain but i actually have= no clear vision how to do that and what the best devices for that would be a= s i could maybe even combine their features in this solution. >=20 > I'm thankful for any advice... (maybe there is even a solution i never tho= ught of like using ... instead of loopers. But it has to be a hardware solut= ion - i don't want to use software) >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 15:48:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74C98183462; Wed, 9 May 2012 15:48:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=hr4h1/zkXYERSJ2EStLXlJ9v/X1e5ATtVUFVM9Abuxk= c=1 sm=0 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=jRAWEo3GAAAA:8 a=L_OH8e2HAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=pFoRUcMIXsSAxJkBfUEA:9 a=azsFJAfwxoi8-E--Xr4A:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=8Xueji6_TC0A:10 a=GVuwIh2ZDa4A:10 a=AQS8kHd1Ap8A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=nC9E7eTutyyRf06E:21 a=6sCpIhpcY6yk_W-o:21 a=zWSFQDO9AAAA:8 a=_4Hs0bv29MeF0uRvfrEA:9 a=sXSH9VL68UggVnVKwcsA:7 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=dgJYCCSB_DcA:10 a=84tsCWNHjc4A:10 a=yINaiak29ygA:10 a=0ZW9Y6nEstGpEemR:21 a=7Kp26u71qHAyYEg9:21 a=IhQb4xDkluCIANerx5QWPw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Message-ID: <9A6AF2D8957E4E31A4A7C587B4CBD420@KTSCHAZ> From: "Chaz Worm" To: References: Subject: Re: looperparadise.de Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 11:48:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0051_01CD2DD9.9A0B7E10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 15:48:06 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01CD2DD9.9A0B7E10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My band's guitarist (and little brother) Jeffee Earth made the boomerang = links site. so funny. apparently he is like "Cher" or "Madonna" now = and only needs to be referenced by his first name. chaz ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gareth Whittock=20 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 8:55 AM Subject: RE: looperparadise.de HI Sergio, I remember now that I couldn't get a reasonable price in Europe so = sent off to the US from a company called Mad Ape. It took a while to get = here in the UK but their current price is $469 as opposed to your quote = which comes to $681 -quite a saving!=20 = http://www.themadape.com/Boomerang_III_Phrase_Sampler_Pedal_p/b-3phrase.h= tm You might want to download the Boomerang III manual, (or check out = some youtube videos) to while away the time till it arrives. I was = certainly not disappointed! The, (stereo) sound quality in particular is = very transparent my ears and the pedal is well designed in terms of its = layout, size and robustness. No continuous varispeed though but I think = it has a half speed option. The nice thing is that the proprietor will = actually respond to emails personally. Good luck! Peace G Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: simpliflying@gmail.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: looperparadise.de Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 11:37:57 +0000 Hello community :) Does anybody have a feedback about quality of service and assistance = from looperparadise.de? I saw in Boomerang site that they say that the locar dealer can surely = make a "better price". So I have checked all the european shops in the = where to buy section of boomerang site, and saw this in Germany, one in = Italy, one in Austria. This of Germany sell the Rang at 525 euro and the side car at 265. The = others sell the Rang at 489 and the Side Car at 216. I preferred to buy in Germany also in case of problems, shipping back, = etc. So I asked them a better price. The first answer was quite unkind and ironic, "no comment, sorry". = Unbelievable. Then I "apologized" if my asking a better price seemed offensive, = explaining that I had found better prices and anyway I would have = preferred to buy with them, and that in Boomerang site they are so sure = that the local dealer can do a better price, that I was sure too. Their answer was "the price you find it on my website". I am without world. I would like to have your feedbacks on that shop, and if somebody know = some folk there, it would be nice a contact and good work. Even if = generally when I receive this kind of treatment I even prefer to pay = more in another place. Thanks Sergio No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/4987 - Release Date: = 05/09/12 ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01CD2DD9.9A0B7E10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My band's guitarist (and little brother) Jeffee = Earth made=20 the boomerang links site.  so funny.  apparently he is like = "Cher" or=20 "Madonna" now and only needs to be referenced by his first = name.
 
chaz
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gareth Whittock
To: loopers-delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 = 8:55=20 AM
Subject: RE: = looperparadise.de

HI Sergio,
I remember now that I couldn't get a reasonable price in Europe = so sent=20 off to the US from a company called Mad Ape. It took a while to get = here in=20 the UK but their current price is $469 as opposed to your quote which = comes to=20  $681  -quite a saving! 
http://www.themadape.com/Boomerang_III_Phrase_Sampler_Pedal_p= /b-3phrase.htm
You might want to download the Boomerang III manual, (or check = out some=20 youtube videos) to while away the time till it arrives. I was = certainly not=20 disappointed! The, (stereo) sound quality in particular is very = transparent my=20 ears and the pedal is well designed in terms of its layout, size and=20 robustness. No continuous varispeed though but I think it has a half = speed=20 option. The nice thing is that the proprietor will actually respond to = emails=20 personally.
Good luck!

Peace

G

Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

From: simpliflying@gmail.com
To:=20 loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: = looperparadise.de
Date:=20 Wed, 9 May 2012 11:37:57 +0000

Hello community :)

Does anybody have a feedback about quality of service and = assistance=20 from looperparadise.de?
I saw in Boomerang site that they say that the locar dealer can = surely=20 make a "better price". So I have checked all the european shops in the = where=20 to buy section of boomerang site, and saw this in Germany, one in = Italy, one=20 in Austria.
This of Germany sell the Rang at 525 euro and the side car = at 265.=20 The others sell the Rang at 489 and the Side Car at 216.
I preferred to buy in Germany also in case of problems, shipping = back,=20 etc. So I asked them a better price.
The first answer was quite unkind and ironic, "no comment, = sorry".=20 Unbelievable.
Then I "apologized" if my asking a better price seemed offensive, = explaining that I had found better prices and anyway I would have = preferred to=20 buy with them, and that in Boomerang site they are so sure that the = local=20 dealer can do a better price, that I was sure too.
Their answer was "the price you find it on my website".

I am without world.
I would like to have your feedbacks on that shop, and if somebody = know=20 some folk there, it would be nice a contact and good work. Even if = generally=20 when I receive this kind of treatment I even prefer to pay = more in=20 another place.

Thanks
Sergio

No virus found in this=20 message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2012.0.1913 / = Virus=20 Database: 2425/4987 - Release Date: = 05/09/12

------=_NextPart_000_0051_01CD2DD9.9A0B7E10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 16:13:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6D28183463; Wed, 9 May 2012 16:13:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_a323a2f1-7afa-46b8-b659-7608b4e1c589_" X-Originating-IP: [217.92.188.169] From: Sergio G Sender: To: Subject: Little mixer and FX suggestions Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 16:13:46 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2012 16:13:47.0025 (UTC) FILETIME=[B67DC010:01CD2DFE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 16:13:51 +0000 (UTC) --_a323a2f1-7afa-46b8-b659-7608b4e1c589_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello guys! I saw from your videos that probably many of you in their performances use = little mixers.I wonder about which one would you suggest me.In this moment = I really cannot imagine how many devices could I need to connect=2C so I wa= s thinking about a 8 to 12 max channels.But also I was wandering about effe= cts. I will need effects to make the sounds of my loops (especially for the= voice but also for the other things) less raw.The Roland RP-7 vocal harmon= izer (still waiting for it to arrive) only has echo and reverb if I remembe= r well=2C and I hope of good quality enough for little live performances :)= I am also getting a used Digitech Vocal 300 to add more strange effects=2C = monster voices etc. But it also has more classical effects like delay echo = and reverb and compressor. Not sure about the quality but I guess enough fo= r what I have to do.Do you think the same or you suggest me to get somethin= g with more quality effects?In this case=2C would a mixer with effects be a= good choice?But=2C with or without effects=2C which brand/model would you = suggest?I can easily get here the Beringer Xenyx ones used for cheap. Some = of them have got compressor and 24 bit effects. Others only the 24 bit effe= cts or not 24 bit effects.Then for more I can get I can get the Allen & Hea= th ZED 10 (and 10fx).Also I see many offers for the Mackie 1402 VLZ and VLZ= Pro=2C plus some opther Mackie ones.And the Soundcraft EPM 6 and 8 or mayb= e some more model. Suggestions? = --_a323a2f1-7afa-46b8-b659-7608b4e1c589_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello guys!

I saw from your videos that probably many of= you in their performances use little mixers.
I wonder about whic= h one would you suggest me.
In this moment I really cannot imagin= e how many devices could I need to connect=2C so I was thinking about a 8 t= o 12 max channels.
But also I was wandering about effects. I will= need effects to make the sounds of my loops (especially for the voice but = also for the other things) less raw.
The Roland RP-7 vocal harmon= izer (still waiting for it to arrive) only has echo and reverb if I remembe= r well=2C and I hope of good quality enough for little live performances :)=
I am also getting a used Digitech Vocal 300 to add more strange = effects=2C monster voices etc. But it also has more classical effects like = delay echo and reverb and compressor. Not sure about the quality but I gues= s enough for what I have to do.
Do you think the same or you sugg= est me to get something with more quality effects?
In this case= =2C would a mixer with effects be a good choice?
But=2C with or w= ithout effects=2C which brand/model wou= ld you suggest?
I can =3Beasil= y =3Bget here the Beringer Xenyx ones used for cheap. = Some of them have got compressor and 24 bit effects. Others only the 24 bit= effects or not 24 bit effects.
Then for = more I can get I can get the Allen &=3B Heath ZED 10 (and 10fx).<= /div>
Also I see many offers for the =3BMackie 1402 VLZ and VLZ Pro=2C plus some opther Mackie ones.
And the =3BSoundcraft EPM 6 and 8 or maybe some more mo= del.

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Suggestions?

= --_a323a2f1-7afa-46b8-b659-7608b4e1c589_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 16:15:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD6B7183462; Wed, 9 May 2012 16:15:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_b5b30d48-a0c6-425f-b01b-3c3096969fa8_" X-Originating-IP: [217.92.188.169] From: Sergio G Sender: To: Subject: RE: looperparadise.de Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 16:15:06 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9A6AF2D8957E4E31A4A7C587B4CBD420@KTSCHAZ> References: ,<9A6AF2D8957E4E31A4A7C587B4CBD420@KTSCHAZ> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2012 16:15:07.0579 (UTC) FILETIME=[E68150B0:01CD2DFE] Resent-Message-ID: <0OzHAB.A.0w.MgpqPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 16:15:08 +0000 (UTC) --_b5b30d48-a0c6-425f-b01b-3c3096969fa8_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I didn't get that=2C Chaz...:(=20 From: chaz@earthwormandfire.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looperparadise.de Date: Wed=2C 9 May 2012 11:48:07 -0400 My band's guitarist (and little brother) Jeffee Earth made=20 the boomerang links site. so funny. apparently he is like "Cher" or=20 "Madonna" now and only needs to be referenced by his first name. =20 chaz ----- Original Message -----=20 From:=20 Gareth Whittock=20 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=20 =20 Sent: Wednesday=2C May 09=2C 2012 8:55=20 AM Subject: RE: looperparadise.de =20 HI Sergio=2C I remember now that I couldn't get a reasonable price in Europe so sent=20 off to the US from a company called Mad Ape. It took a while to get here = in=20 the UK but their current price is $469 as opposed to your quote which com= es to=20 $681 -quite a saving!=20 http://www.themadape.com/Boomerang_III_Phrase_Sampler_Pedal_p/b-3phrase.h= tm You might want to download the Boomerang III manual=2C (or check out some= =20 youtube videos) to while away the time till it arrives. I was certainly n= ot=20 disappointed! The=2C (stereo) sound quality in particular is very transpa= rent my=20 ears and the pedal is well designed in terms of its layout=2C size and=20 robustness. No continuous varispeed though but I think it has a half spee= d=20 option. The nice thing is that the proprietor will actually respond to em= ails=20 personally. Good luck! =20 Peace =20 G Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk =20 =20 =20 From: simpliflying@gmail.com To:=20 loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: looperparadise.de Date:=20 Wed=2C 9 May 2012 11:37:57 +0000 =20 Hello community :) =20 Does anybody have a feedback about quality of service and assistance=20 from looperparadise.de? I saw in Boomerang site that they say that the locar dealer can surely=20 make a "better price". So I have checked all the european shops in the wh= ere=20 to buy section of boomerang site=2C and saw this in Germany=2C one in Ita= ly=2C one=20 in Austria. This of Germany sell the Rang at 525 euro and the side car at 265.=20 The others sell the Rang at 489 and the Side Car at 216. I preferred to buy in Germany also in case of problems=2C shipping back= =2C=20 etc. So I asked them a better price. The first answer was quite unkind and ironic=2C "no comment=2C sorry".=20 Unbelievable. Then I "apologized" if my asking a better price seemed offensive=2C=20 explaining that I had found better prices and anyway I would have preferr= ed to=20 buy with them=2C and that in Boomerang site they are so sure that the loc= al=20 dealer can do a better price=2C that I was sure too. Their answer was "the price you find it on my website". =20 I am without world. I would like to have your feedbacks on that shop=2C and if somebody know= =20 some folk there=2C it would be nice a contact and good work. Even if gene= rally=20 when I receive this kind of treatment I even prefer to pay more in=20 another place. =20 Thanks Sergio No virus found in this=20 message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus=20 Database: 2425/4987 - Release Date: 05/09/12 = --_b5b30d48-a0c6-425f-b01b-3c3096969fa8_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I didn't get that=2C Chaz...
:( =3B

From: chaz@earthworm= andfire.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: loop= erparadise.de
Date: Wed=2C 9 May 2012 11:48:07 -0400

My band's guitarist (and little brother) Jeffee E= arth made=20 the boomerang links site. =3B so funny. =3B apparently he is like "= Cher" or=20 "Madonna" now and only needs to be referenced by his first name.
 =3B
chaz
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gareth Whittock
Sent: Wednesday=2C May 09=2C 2012 8= :55=20 AM
Subject: RE: looperparadise.de

HI Sergio=2C
I remember now that I couldn't get a reasonable price in Europe so s= ent=20 off to the US from a company called Mad Ape. It took a while to get here = in=20 the UK but their current price is $469 as opposed to your quote which com= es to=20  =3B$681  =3B-quite a saving! =3B
You might want to download the Boomerang III manual=2C (or check out= some=20 youtube videos) to while away the time till it arrives. I was certainly n= ot=20 disappointed! The=2C (stereo) sound quality in particular is very transpa= rent my=20 ears and the pedal is well designed in terms of its layout=2C size and=20 robustness. No continuous varispeed though but I think it has a half spee= d=20 option. The nice thing is that the proprietor will actually respond to em= ails=20 personally.
Good luck!

Peace

G

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

From: simpliflying@gmail.com
To:=20 loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: looperparadise.de
Date= :=20 Wed=2C 9 May 2012 11:37:57 +0000

Hello community :)

Does =3Banybody have a feedback about quality of service and ass= istance=20 from looperparadise.de?
I saw in Boomerang site that they say that the locar dealer can sure= ly=20 make a "better price". So I have checked all the european shops in the wh= ere=20 to buy section of boomerang site=2C and saw this in Germany=2C one in Ita= ly=2C one=20 in Austria.
This =3Bof Germany sell the Rang at 525 euro and the side car at= 265.=20 The others sell the Rang at 489 and the Side Car at 216.
I preferred to buy in Germany also in case of problems=2C shipping b= ack=2C=20 etc. So I asked them a better price.
The first answer was quite unkind and ironic=2C "no comment=2C sorry= ".=20 Unbelievable.
Then I "apologized" if my asking a better price seemed offensive=2C= =20 explaining that I had found better prices and anyway I would have preferr= ed to=20 buy with them=2C and that in Boomerang site they are so sure that the loc= al=20 dealer can do a better price=2C that I was sure too.
Their answer was "the price you find it on my website".

I am without world.
I would like to have your feedbacks on that shop=2C and if somebody = know=20 some folk there=2C it would be nice a contact and good work. Even if gene= rally=20 when I receive this kind of treatment I even =3Bprefer =3Bto pay = more in=20 another place.

Thanks
Sergio

No virus found in this=20 message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus=20 Database: 2425/4987 - Release Date: 05/09/12

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= --_b5b30d48-a0c6-425f-b01b-3c3096969fa8_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 16:17:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 091E2183464; Wed, 9 May 2012 16:17:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <20120509152300.57B1D183477@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20120509152300.57B1D183477@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: RE: looperparadise.de Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 18:16:55 +0200 Message-ID: <005001cd2dff$26e33fb0$74a9bf10$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0051_01CD2E0F.EA6C0FB0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0t9z3DiuRPjE5CTNGyUD7VXsKeAQAB3H0g Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 16:17:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01CD2E0F.EA6C0FB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi Sergio, =20 loopersparadise.de doesn't seem to be about looping devices as we = understand them - "loopers" as shown on their site are hardware signal = loop switchers, it has nothing to do with livelooping. In that way, they = are just another music hardware shop. =20 -Michael =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01CD2E0F.EA6C0FB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

hi Sergio,

 

loopersparadise.de = doesn't seem to be about looping devices as we understand them - = "loopers" as shown on their site = are hardware signal loop switchers, it has nothing to do with livelooping. In that way, they are just another = music hardware shop.

 <= /p>

-Michael

 <= /p>

 

------=_NextPart_000_0051_01CD2E0F.EA6C0FB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 16:21:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28AC6183461; Wed, 9 May 2012 16:21:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=LqfhUOCROF06n28/5hEJnWKpBh7ItW3F31i48ypbkLU=; b=TryqpmGNV3SVwkWQ7Ao3fQNFmKaNNIQt3IdKV14hN7rZ/ydthqy7xBouGkioj8XTiY UURFf+C+0byUl13m24M/iZvl8JDY4SudwMBWjcrayzK1dBrGxxGxBJpC9I0EPRtPHmEN aUtSBbEtQJjbiNTEWLtUj/dSfKKScTdcag3hIxWyoPxEVU8qK+fQCm1voFCbYDAMef1m Tdmf6eenI4jp6hlc6nAadfJkMicWkbRMwiFmN140G1XukAEiWpKMGk8yAqL0easQACY1 TaQ83gK75j37jQXvgZAYg3iCNbGSyQUmMxGfQuyS26ixiKdtIyWMfq73RTxcVm39zDrF Wb8Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <92A71175-2D0A-4ACD-9216-0E27554C4BCE@googlemail.com> References: <4FAA8C38.8010407@brainticket.de> <92A71175-2D0A-4ACD-9216-0E27554C4BCE@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 18:21:57 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looper for minimal music From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 16:21:59 +0000 (UTC) Yes, I agree. I used to have a Repeater back in the pre software era and phasing was one thing it handled well. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Simeon Harris wrote: > The only hardware solution I can think of would be the electrix repeater,= which would pretty much do everything you're looking for. > > Sent from my iPod > > On 9 May 2012, at 16:24, Andreas Berg wrote: > >> I would like to make some a rather experimental "kind of minimal music" = thing with "phase shifting" and i am looking for a looper or a setting of d= ifferent looping-devices to realise this. >> It's about recording a loop, copy it to another track and change it's te= mpo or do timestretching on it to bring it out of sync to the original loop= . >> The whole thing would be mainly about copying one original loop and modi= fy it a bit several times and let all the variations play simultaniously an= d free (unsynced and as independent tracks). >> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phasing) >> >> I already read a lot about all the loopers that are on the market (and a= lso about the legends that are "out of stock") and i think none of them is = really suitable because it is always something missing (multi-tracking, tim= estretching, tempo control of single tracks ...). >> So another idea is to bring different loopers in chain but i actually ha= ve no clear vision how to do that and what the best devices for that would = be as i could maybe even combine their features in this solution. >> >> I'm thankful for any advice... (maybe there is even a solution i never t= hought of like using ... instead of loopers. But it has to be a hardware so= lution - i don't want to use software) >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 17:20:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10864183465; Wed, 9 May 2012 17:20:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_336d4d21-67ab-43c0-9b26-ec6d2e1e1ddc_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Looper for minimal music Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 17:20:06 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4FAA8C38.8010407@brainticket.de> References: <4FAA8C38.8010407@brainticket.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2012 17:20:06.0396 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA6193C0:01CD2E07] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 17:20:07 +0000 (UTC) --_336d4d21-67ab-43c0-9b26-ec6d2e1e1ddc_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think the Elektron Oktatrack would be perfect for what you describe.. it = can loop as it is now and Elektron has pronised that it will have a dedicte= d looper machine pretty soon..=20 With the Octatrack you can almost veiw the orignal loop or sample as a "wav= eform" and the machine as a synth that can make a guitar sound like birdson= g=2C stomping elefants or whatever you can or can't imagine..=20 I LOVE the octatrack..=20 Anders > Date: Wed=2C 9 May 2012 17:24:40 +0200 > From: berg@brainticket.de > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Looper for minimal music >=20 > I would like to make some a rather experimental "kind of minimal music"=20 > thing with "phase shifting" and i am looking for a looper or a setting=20 > of different looping-devices to realise this. > It's about recording a loop=2C copy it to another track and change it's=20 > tempo or do timestretching on it to bring it out of sync to the original= =20 > loop. > The whole thing would be mainly about copying one original loop and=20 > modify it a bit several times and let all the variations play=20 > simultaniously and free (unsynced and as independent tracks). > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phasing) >=20 > I already read a lot about all the loopers that are on the market (and=20 > also about the legends that are "out of stock") and i think none of them= =20 > is really suitable because it is always something missing=20 > (multi-tracking=2C timestretching=2C tempo control of single tracks ...). > So another idea is to bring different loopers in chain but i actually=20 > have no clear vision how to do that and what the best devices for that=20 > would be as i could maybe even combine their features in this solution. >=20 > I'm thankful for any advice... (maybe there is even a solution i never=20 > thought of like using ... instead of loopers. But it has to be a=20 > hardware solution - i don't want to use software) >=20 = --_336d4d21-67ab-43c0-9b26-ec6d2e1e1ddc_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think the Elektron Oktatrack would be perfect for what you describe.. it = can loop as it is now and Elektron has pronised that it will have a dedicte= d looper machine pretty soon.. =3B

With the Octatrac= k you can almost veiw the orignal loop or sample as a "waveform" and the ma= chine as a synth that can make a guitar sound like birdsong=2C stomping ele= fants or whatever you can or can't imagine.. =3B

I LOVE the octatrack.. =3B

Anders

>=3B Date: Wed=2C 9 May 2012 17:= 24:40 +0200
>=3B From: berg@brainticket.de
>=3B To: Loopers-Delig= ht@loopers-delight.com
>=3B Subject: Looper for minimal music
>= =3B
>=3B I would like to make some a rather experimental "kind of min= imal music"
>=3B thing with "phase shifting" and i am looking for a l= ooper or a setting
>=3B of different looping-devices to realise this.=
>=3B It's about recording a loop=2C copy it to another track and chan= ge it's
>=3B tempo or do timestretching on it to bring it out of sync= to the original
>=3B loop.
>=3B The whole thing would be mainly= about copying one original loop and
>=3B modify it a bit several tim= es and let all the variations play
>=3B simultaniously and free (unsy= nced and as independent tracks).
>=3B (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ph= asing)
>=3B
>=3B I already read a lot about all the loopers that= are on the market (and
>=3B also about the legends that are "out of = stock") and i think none of them
>=3B is really suitable because it i= s always something missing
>=3B (multi-tracking=2C timestretching=2C = tempo control of single tracks ...).
>=3B So another idea is to bring = different loopers in chain but i actually
>=3B have no clear vision h= ow to do that and what the best devices for that
>=3B would be as i c= ould maybe even combine their features in this solution.
>=3B
>= =3B I'm thankful for any advice... (maybe there is even a solution i never =
>=3B thought of like using ... instead of loopers. But it has to be a=
>=3B hardware solution - i don't want to use software)
>=3B
= --_336d4d21-67ab-43c0-9b26-ec6d2e1e1ddc_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 17:37:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2B46183462; Wed, 9 May 2012 17:37:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=pwaNyBJg634qIuTvd6hjBeLtvyzMEJVguVkfDVZYuTE=; b=P/fzeSvjHdrL4SRc/F7k8f3h3GVixqaFAy9AiMriU1KZ3swSYOkMMpdk5jxKR3L16B yDNCPNiivgVsDEj5UQ+4VesBQkENjyPAM+qasH4fOsg+GLydVZtnvC2Zv95sqUItZOaq 3svJGOUdObGkGTURbZyJsNTxRl+2nMbBlRLDPb0dGyfwC92bU0PJJQeHs90D9vbZ/dEk MH2T/5KboxAsK5OBrmbQxm2BH7l+YJp91tj4yzuHZK9+9TDLoV1/uskz54R67EP+x2NT PcibgVT/y497zfqt7X6vCL6gU5EUuLxxg/43hXpCL1Hmvq693HHGcJZQM7rz89vEbkVU 3q2Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20120508193328.15271.54993.levelstar.mail@everest> <4FAA2DF4.2070206@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 10:37:50 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How come pop music never comes up here? From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 17:37:52 +0000 (UTC) I wouldn't even say it's to cover bad musicianship. I think the amount of polish that goes into modern rock and roll is so ubiquitous that listeners expect bands to play songs with inhuman precision, and no variation. Anything less than that is considered a "bad take"! Personally I enjoy hearing the occasional subtle screwups. > andy butler was like: >> >> >> >> ...but rock bands looping their recordings secretly in the studio...that's >> really dull > >and mark francombe was all: > > Of course, because its often used to hide bad-musicianship (theres the pot > calling the kettle black) but theres till alot of looping in a band context > that kinda works BECAUSE the loopy-ness of the track is important, Tell me > that Ministry didnt loop all their rock stuff. > -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 17:45:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66313183464; Wed, 9 May 2012 17:45:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=kkO7fuFUQOxzrKqv6EA9AuSgl5C79zQAW51JdA+MmTs3gGmPugDRHHDINA2kFhnN; h=Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; From: Cara Quinn Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_E9D31CA3-B17F-4C68-9509-FDFA559FA58B" Subject: Re: Looping has feelings Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 10:45:00 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <830C293A-B176-4B06-840A-15B2F964579A@earthlink.net> Message-Id: <53C89939-F293-4466-9C79-BAAB91709F89@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-ELNK-Trace: 6b863c64b7cad57866423f13a3a05d4c239a348a220c26096b9bfa42bcf0b61af22de4bc065a09c3667c3043c0873f7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.106.47.89 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 17:45:03 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_E9D31CA3-B17F-4C68-9509-FDFA559FA58B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Phil you rock! thank you muchly! :) Yes, I'd totally love to get up to the bay area soon. It's been too long = since I've been there. :) Am not too far away (in Santa Monica) but the = vibe up there is unique=85 Anyway, as far as using looping in a song, I personally prefer looping = this way, I really enjoy looping in a more accessible form because I = like to move to music and I like people. :) Not to say that anyone else = doesn't, of course. ;) I like to use very minimal feedback if anything, and always keep loops = evolving. If I'm doing ambient looping I use more feedback but still = like to always have evolving loops. Hearing the same thing again and = again gets to me unless there's some change happening. I also very much like rhythm in loops or at least layered over ambient = loops. There's obviously a time and a place for drones but for me, as a = rule of thumb, I like to move to music so I like something with a = rhythm. This is one reason I like the granular idea of looping. In Naked Blues I = created a loop from lots of little samples, using, I believe it was = insert sus, and then sus unrounded multiply to redefine the loop length = while layering a rhythmic, deadened, strumming overdub. This way I could = quickly create e a lively rhythmic loop on the fly. Forgive me if my EDP terminology is not up to snuff but it's been years = since I've not only done that piece but been looping or even playing = music in general. So this is something I need to brush back up on. :) = I'm doing just that though, so am looking forward to connecting up with = others here as well as just getting back out and doing some cool / fun = loopage! Anyway, would love to catch up when I'm next in the area! Thanks again and have a great day!!! Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn=20 On May 8, 2012, at 9:22 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: Cara -=20 Can I just say - awesome EDP looping blues ! I've often wondered how EDP = techniques could work in a more song-like setting... if you ever wind up = playing in SF I'd sure love to hear you play, or even duet a bit :) Phil :) On May 7, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Cara Quinn wrote: > Lol! Seriously? the neighbors left? Really?!!! ;) >=20 > I don't' think I've ever heard of a loop being left on for two weeks! = That's awesome! Thanks for sharing that!=85 >=20 > I thought I'd post a little something that happened ages ago in 2003 = in Denver. I'm improvising live with two others at a little coffee house = on a Saturday night. >=20 > PX 4, Space Station and a single EdP=85 >=20 > YOu'll need to give this one just a couple of minutes to settle in. >=20 > http://www.caraquinn.com/NakedBluesCQSPJG.mp3 >=20 > Enjoy! >=20 > Cara :) > --- > View my Online Portfolio at: > http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn=20 >=20 > On May 7, 2012, at 12:30 PM, mark francombe wrote: >=20 > On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Per Boysen = wrote: > I too like the game to never letting a loop play back sounding exactly > the same as last round. >=20 > Ha ha I'm the opposite. One of the reasons I LOVE LOVE LOVE looping, = is exactly because I love the sound of a loop. I dont want to hide the = fact that is a loop, or (as I remember from repeater discussions) NOT = hear the loop point... I love the repetition of a loop, and especially = if the loop is not perfect and you can HEAR it. In fact for my gigs, I = usually am a little more like ichy-loop Boysen, and feel like I NEED to = change the loop all the time, adding, taking away, changing = lengths/pitching etc, but i reality and often at home, Im happy to let a = loop go on and on and on and on and on and on...=20 >=20 > I once left an EDP running for 2 weeks while I went on holiday.. when = I cam back it WAS still there, a tad distorted mind you, but it was = there.=20 >=20 > The neighbours had moved out though! >=20 > Mark >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_E9D31CA3-B17F-4C68-9509-FDFA559FA58B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Phil = you rock! thank you muchly! :)

Yes, I'd totally love = to get up to the bay area soon. It's been too long since I've been = there. :) Am not too far away (in Santa Monica) but the vibe up there is = unique=85

Anyway, as far as using looping in a = song, I personally prefer looping this way, I really enjoy looping in a = more accessible form because I like to move to music and I like people. = :) Not to say that anyone else doesn't, of course. = ;)

I like to use very minimal feedback if = anything, and always keep loops evolving. If I'm doing ambient looping I = use more feedback but still like to always have evolving loops. Hearing = the same thing again and again gets to me unless there's some change = happening.

I also very much like rhythm in = loops or at least layered over ambient loops. There's obviously a time = and a place for drones but for me, as a rule of thumb, I like to move to = music so I like something with a rhythm.

This = is one reason I like the granular idea of looping. In Naked Blues I = created a loop from lots of little samples, using, I believe it was = insert sus, and then sus unrounded multiply to redefine the loop length = while layering a rhythmic, deadened, strumming overdub. This way I could = quickly create e a lively rhythmic loop on the = fly.

Forgive me if my EDP terminology is not up = to snuff but it's been years since I've not only done that piece but = been looping or even playing music in general. So this is something I = need to brush back up on. :) I'm doing just that though, so am looking = forward to connecting up with others here as well as just getting back = out and doing some cool / fun loopage!

Anyway, = would love to catch up when I'm next in the = area!

Thanks again and have a great = day!!!

Smiles,

Cara = :)
http://www.onemodelplace.c= om/CaraQuinn 

On May 8, 2012, at 9:22 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote:

Cara = - 

Can I just say - awesome EDP looping blues ! = I've often wondered how EDP techniques could work in a more song-like = setting... if you ever wind up playing in SF I'd sure love to hear you = play, or even duet a bit :)

Phil = :)


On May 7, 2012, at 10:23 PM, = Cara Quinn wrote:

Lol! Seriously? the = neighbors left? Really?!!! ;)

I don't' think I've = ever heard of a loop being left on for two weeks! That's awesome! Thanks = for sharing that!=85

I thought I'd post a = little something that happened ages ago in 2003 in Denver. I'm = improvising live with two others at a little coffee house on a Saturday = night.

PX 4, Space Station and a single = EdP=85

YOu'll need to give this one just a = couple of minutes to settle in.


Enjoy!
<= br>
Cara :)
---
View my = Online Portfolio at:

On May 7, 2012, at 12:30 PM, mark francombe = wrote:

On Mon, May 7, 2012 = at 6:45 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
I too like the game to never letting a loop play back = sounding exactly
the same as last round.

Ha ha I'm the = opposite. One of the reasons I LOVE LOVE LOVE looping, is exactly = because I love the sound of a loop. I dont want to hide the fact that is = a loop, or (as I remember from repeater discussions) NOT hear the loop = point... I love the repetition of a loop, and especially if the loop is = not perfect and you can HEAR it. In fact for my gigs, I usually am a = little more like ichy-loop Boysen, and feel like I NEED to change the = loop all the time, adding, taking away, changing lengths/pitching etc, = but i reality and often at home, Im happy to let a loop go on and on and = on and on and on and on...

I once left an EDP running for 2 weeks while I went on holiday.. = when I cam back it WAS still there, a tad distorted mind you, but it was = there.

The neighbours had moved out = though!

Mark



--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter = @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/

=



<= /body>= --Apple-Mail=_E9D31CA3-B17F-4C68-9509-FDFA559FA58B-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 17:54:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39DA4183462; Wed, 9 May 2012 17:54:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=SeWvStvzeygGR/mG59WogMXQL9LLY6Bp5lNt8kQl0JE=; b=W7U8vwa+354EU19i4QrT/pxYt380DXC0hHf51F9VaxmDyjKPb7giysYqJ9/HvlNebb 6h4OrEKXoGtr1XNSWFGrBQ36RoSCH7Njoxf8qz06i6vv+eHBP2cg63udzBOuPFGqEfLR g83WMc7DqQSMZ7EBbOJin0kQ6iKlv2A5m6r3RlwKvE9SqN6bdvPS1WGbc0t7yhEAFIig rUGCtD8ILXSBJ3XP25CBawILBOjqJohVE189Mu9ciGLaTb4uShWlNf1hEaOA5a/YoSoJ Z3kWfN1i74Oy2sCjxhBaQVaaTKwKNEPNxRzSm56fzB5Ar8VhKSeA2Vx8QPYhA/EPVTq2 yWAA== Message-ID: <4FAAAF67.3010909@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 19:54:47 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Mainly Vocal" looping performances: help in deciding which tools References: ,,, ,<4FA95EAA.2000702@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 17:54:40 +0000 (UTC) Sergio G schrieb: > *Rainer:* > 1. If the independent parallel loops mean that you can have more > flexibility and, for example, be able to have loops of different > lengths, yes, I am sure I need that. Can you confirm I understood > correctly what parallel loops are? At the bottom of the email I'll > write what I need. But, what is a variable feedback??? > 2. I agree with that line of not buying at any cost the top without > being sure you really will use it. I did it in the past and was > throwing money. But I am quite older now and I hope a bit wiser. I am > sure of what I want to do and I am sure I want the tool which allow me > to do that. I am just not sure which tool is that :) > -(nice performance. Still not what I want to do but added to the > examples I gave in my first email, it is also part of what I want to > do. Schön! You use some kind of sequencer/drum Machine in this video?) ad 1: yes, it's about them being independent in length and transport control. I'm not sure if you need that ;). Variable feedback: "feedback" is how the loop fades out on each pass (like the feedback or regeneration parameter on delay effects). The majority of loopers only apply that during overdubbing-related operations (the EDP being an exception here, as is any delay). However, the majority have a fixed feedback setting which is very high, only to make sure you don't run into clipping with multiple overdubs. From how you describe what you want to do, I assume you won't need that - it's for those ambient/sound sculpture people. ad 2: thanks for your "Schön" ;). The gearporn goes like this: synths - Quasimidi Sirius (which is the sequencer/drum machine), Korg Prophecy. Effects (looping and not) - Korg KP3, Line6 M9, Electro Harmonix Stereo Memory Man with Hazari, Boss DD20, Boss OD2, Jomox T-Resonator (the T-Resonator is setup with both filters in series, with the OD2 in between). As for your requirements: "Actually, the best for me would be a sampler/sequencer with absolute real time capabilities, and advanced looping functions (all what the Looperlative, Bumerang, RC-300 can do, more a sequencing function which actually the looperlative has a bit, if I am not wrong)." I don't know if you really need what people here (based on the LD website definition) consider a "looper": you might not need the possibility to overdub. An artist I like to give as an example in this context is Kid Beyond: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVusmB-iMEA He uses Ableton Live (without the Looper plugin), i.e. he uses its clips for the loops. As you can see, that works well in an approach without overdub (which Live can't do w/o the looper plugin), rather with a realtime pattern-based multitracking approach. Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 17:57:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 321DF183455; Wed, 9 May 2012 17:57:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZYnyWBM7Y4rfvg+gL+LR7yCgseySxA5wv8cJOPQjfrI=; b=CqpJzX0BayjpCQyicuPf0cmFttRMENhD62lywdCgQIBRj3+yiW6jugLBFUuni0I+5t rxbvTss66D3uy3DxunJ2kC6NxI4HxAthCW2VPi2IHgN9u67Oydcuvu0t5hs9pgMYTGH3 Wi0ZbfZGzg3jHtnYuv1gYCKJHvKZyPYQXcnjvVkThB4gxtHPvM1lMstZDCtkawAnQb4l IGEHsHQDVL4kHIyWiq6OvIxHYrW/brhs5dvbtiul4c9Knt08Vqckr2ity8aL48zavCf3 Xiu+y2bUJtNoj+E14bVTh9ezsYAJ8Of6ElBtD77b2SMotXaYd7Zi05H70hqWVK8dzEzV d+Mw== Message-ID: <4FAAB001.2080305@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 19:57:21 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper for minimal music References: <4FAA8C38.8010407@brainticket.de> In-Reply-To: <4FAA8C38.8010407@brainticket.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 17:57:13 +0000 (UTC) Andreas Berg schrieb: > It's about recording a loop, copy it to another track and change it's > tempo or do timestretching on it to bring it out of sync to the > original loop. > The whole thing would be mainly about copying one original loop and > modify it a bit several times and let all the variations play > simultaniously and free (unsynced and as independent tracks). > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phasing) > > I'm thankful for any advice... (maybe there is even a solution i never > thought of like using ... instead of loopers. But it has to be a > hardware solution - i don't want to use software) If you are willing to accept a software solution, Möbius does what you want. Timestretching, however, is done by combining varispeed and pitchshifting, and this only works in semitones (at least last time I checked), so you're limited to that granularity. The Repeater, which Simeon mentioned, can't do this as far as I know, as the individual tracks can't be stretched/varispeeded invididually. Of course, using multiple repeaters...;) Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 18:01:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3644C18345A; Wed, 9 May 2012 18:01:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 771585967/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.16.112/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.16.112 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAKOvqk9YbRBw/2dsb2JhbAANN7ZNAQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBxBiNeIMmBJtgjUg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,559,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="771585967" Message-ID: <4FAAB119.1020702@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 19:02:01 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How come pop music never comes up here? References: <20120508193328.15271.54993.levelstar.mail@everest> <4FAA2DF4.2070206@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 18:01:58 +0000 (UTC) Matt Davignon wrote: > I wouldn't even say it's to cover bad musicianship. I think the amount > of polish that goes into modern rock and roll is so ubiquitous that > listeners expect bands to play songs with inhuman precision, and no > variation. Anything less than that is considered a "bad take"! > > Personally I enjoy hearing the occasional subtle screwups. Right, so in the 1980's someone decided that metronomic was accurate and correct, and anything else, even if it added a certain charm, was essentially a mistake, or at least inaccurate. Anyone know why that caught on? andy (thinks he's playing off the beat with precision ) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 18:04:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D7DF183464; Wed, 9 May 2012 18:04:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ZxQ8Il7yl0DTKVNdQHxqUDbGBFkdjWNFww0fSqB++vyMB7p9c694YX3H2OfGceDs; h=Received:From:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To:Mime-Version:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; From: Cara Quinn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: LP-1? Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 11:04:16 -0700 Message-Id: <4310F59C-1603-4554-B268-79EAFAD41F36@earthlink.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-ELNK-Trace: 6b863c64b7cad57866423f13a3a05d4c239a348a220c2609cac04fe974cc5b543647d574e8f3372e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.106.47.89 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 18:04:28 +0000 (UTC) Hello! To all you owners of the Looperlative, I'm wondering, should I purchase = one? :) What I mean is this; as many of you know, I use the EDP and also love = the Repeater. I prefer the EDP as a dynamic live instrument for its = abilities to create granular, flexible loops on the fly which play nice = with other musicians, and the Repeater for its abilities to create tonal = lines from drones, and sync in a real-time malleable manner. Are there features of the LP-1 which would really complement the edP and = repeater? -And is it easy / friendly to use live?=85 Thanks so much and I hope my questions are not too vague=85 Have a terrific day!=85 Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 18:20:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E5A7183466; Wed, 9 May 2012 18:20:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_cf1a8b2b-aa94-44c2-b54e-5ca8250022e8_" X-Originating-IP: [62.7.183.6] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Little mixer and FX suggestions Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 18:20:41 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2012 18:20:42.0212 (UTC) FILETIME=[717F1240:01CD2E10] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 18:20:43 +0000 (UTC) --_cf1a8b2b-aa94-44c2-b54e-5ca8250022e8_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I like the little Alesis ones myself - very solid with a good sound - I'm t= hinking of upgrading to a multimix 8. Peace g Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk From: simpliflying@gmail.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Little mixer and FX suggestions Date: Wed=2C 9 May 2012 16:13:46 +0000 Hello guys! I saw from your videos that probably many of you in their performances use = little mixers.I wonder about which one would you suggest me.In this moment = I really cannot imagine how many devices could I need to connect=2C so I wa= s thinking about a 8 to 12 max channels.But also I was wandering about effe= cts. I will need effects to make the sounds of my loops (especially for the= voice but also for the other things) less raw.The Roland RP-7 vocal harmon= izer (still waiting for it to arrive) only has echo and reverb if I remembe= r well=2C and I hope of good quality enough for little live performances :)= I am also getting a used Digitech Vocal 300 to add more strange effects=2C = monster voices etc. But it also has more classical effects like delay echo = and reverb and compressor. Not sure about the quality but I guess enough fo= r what I have to do.Do you think the same or you suggest me to get somethin= g with more quality effects?In this case=2C would a mixer with effects be a= good choice?But=2C with or without effects=2C which brand/model would you = suggest?I can easily get here the Beringer Xenyx ones used for cheap. Some = of them have got compressor and 24 bit effects. Others only the 24 bit effe= cts or not 24 bit effects.Then for more I can get I can get the Allen & Hea= th ZED 10 (and 10fx).Also I see many offers for the Mackie 1402 VLZ and VLZ= Pro=2C plus some opther Mackie ones.And the Soundcraft EPM 6 and 8 or mayb= e some more model. Suggestions? = --_cf1a8b2b-aa94-44c2-b54e-5ca8250022e8_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I like the little Alesis ones myself - very solid with a good sound - I'm t= hinking of upgrading to a multimix 8.

Peace

g

Gareth W= hittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

From: simpliflying@gmail.com
To: loopers= -delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Little mixer and FX suggestionsDate: Wed=2C 9 May 2012 16:13:46 +0000

Hello guys!

I saw from your videos that probably many of= you in their performances use little mixers.
I wonder about whic= h one would you suggest me.
In this moment I really cannot imagin= e how many devices could I need to connect=2C so I was thinking about a 8 t= o 12 max channels.
But also I was wandering about effects. I will= need effects to make the sounds of my loops (especially for the voice but = also for the other things) less raw.
The Roland RP-7 vocal harmon= izer (still waiting for it to arrive) only has echo and reverb if I remembe= r well=2C and I hope of good quality enough for little live performances :)=
I am also getting a used Digitech Vocal 300 to add more strange = effects=2C monster voices etc. But it also has more classical effects like = delay echo and reverb and compressor. Not sure about the quality but I gues= s enough for what I have to do.
Do you think the same or you sugg= est me to get something with more quality effects?
In this case= =2C would a mixer with effects be a good choice?
But=2C with or w= ithout effects=2C which brand/model would yo= u suggest?
I can =3Beasily =3Bget here the Beringer Xenyx ones used for cheap. Some = of them have got compressor and 24 bit effects. Others only the 24 bit effe= cts or not 24 bit effects.
Then for more = I can get I can get the Allen &=3B Heath ZED 10 (and 10fx).
=
Also I see many offers for the =3BM= ackie 1402 VLZ and VLZ Pro=2C plus some opther Mackie ones.
And the =3BSoundcraft EPM 6 and 8 or maybe some more model.

Suggestions?
= --_cf1a8b2b-aa94-44c2-b54e-5ca8250022e8_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 18:28:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00E10183466; Wed, 9 May 2012 18:28:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=amtn2TCS3wIJbKllUa35LBNNxIsn4HI1KItFV/dTAoU=; b=c1NgG40LNfxllmPLxIuqu/Md9RbeJIbIIZXrYUL7DyqMdFuzpRCliLRbff6YpF010W tJwxgVr71UenkBAIV1oUFoioqxuPefVlJ/Me7S/lccErcedcR7wfm4xKKn768fsXGIp3 U2kGwpfEc7Bp+3bG74Zcu8601HZChHy/D9fyM4VJNq0TiJobmhDL1SQ/0/FYsQIuuyLz v3vQYhv/Y927qZNhoiOdJa5MVp8Bzurt++pmWH1QH52HHq+RuXCtkQOTBrIJAg/0u7Ih VQdz+UhN1e+xJWeDn0mEOx/tOmrdRR9qq3IQBqyLD4bb/FUboPZn6wUP6GOx3AYV1G68 Yxsg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FAA8C38.8010407@brainticket.de> References: <4FAA8C38.8010407@brainticket.de> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 11:28:12 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looper for minimal music From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 18:28:12 +0000 (UTC) Is this for live performance, or a composition? If you're looking to make a composition, what you're talking about would be very easy to do with basic audio editing / multitracking software. I did something vaguely similar a few weeks ago. (I didn't have all the variations play simultaneously.) I took the original recording of "Four Organs" by Steve Reich, and remade it using time-stretch. I took the first 2 notes and time stretched them repeatedly, to show how that's different to how the organs are played in the original. I then layered the notes back on the original shaker loop. The results can be heard here: http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com/entry/2012-04-25T07_40_28-07_00 You have to either hear the full radio show, or fast forward to 1:43:10, where the final "Four Organs" mix begins. Andreas Berg was like: > I would like to make some a rather experimental "kind of minimal music" > thing with "phase shifting" and i am looking for a looper or a setting of > different looping-devices to realise this. > It's about recording a loop, copy it to another track and change it's tempo > or do timestretching on it to bring it out of sync to the original loop. > The whole thing would be mainly about copying one original loop and modify > it a bit several times and let all the variations play simultaniously and > free (unsynced and as independent tracks). > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phasing) > > I already read a lot about all the loopers that are on the market (and also > about the legends that are "out of stock") and i think none of them is > really suitable because it is always something missing (multi-tracking, > timestretching, tempo control of single tracks ...). > So another idea is to bring different loopers in chain but i actually have > no clear vision how to do that and what the best devices for that would be > as i could maybe even combine their features in this solution. > > I'm thankful for any advice... (maybe there is even a solution i never > thought of like using ... instead of loopers. But it has to be a hardware > solution - i don't want to use software) > -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 18:32:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE3E118348C; Wed, 9 May 2012 18:32:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 735760.95326.bm@omp1044.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1336588358; bh=3yHEaF2KvWyB9TsFCvAIZcADgYZ1sMgcOD51rUOb1go=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PIe34TBNjKQZsc2XdwAgN5w3CID3siJu0/qvvP3XKNpfgiTZdCXdAc9r33HSXaYR+H3YF1HGohBd672IaPHgPxl/prlswUmcyCLAfQTohv3Hj7tJepVnWTPaw4aMEOajVx6dJKZsDnplQ0fyUZA5DC+WlXgqH0LwhqaRQmZtvcM= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=eaaqClk7JSmqmJ1lEahJ2XR2DKmCcKt/F/1YRhwIh4CULnz/0sKBkwB53pW3ZgsyhnrYxVqC9dBM17f8Qd10x/ofDoLzX7ri6HOeSrbbK8LOF/FyxXQOkiQbGWlHJ2+KJjiYXI47u0Ln+GdHRIj/6NWYvuppUP8Zy1RNFq+Jx3M=; X-YMail-OSG: PS8UnAkVM1n.ARKw1kU97B74YS652Ojf3vwpI4NFpr_yLc6 xTgXoKlKyirJtq3s9fHsP2JOQoSfB6nY5y6aw6XnRv6OHz_X6WrFFqf8mo8D xyy8qB5k_tWWuINH8Mj6AvqcYZdtWFGNfGZtfnkFuhUww.UUBX3II.WCqxGT uSABjhq3wSBWr1nSf3AV0NRZYe3EVEAnJjrGdCte0slwvjh6hlEbxwWyw.cW Yz6Cqpvtms9JzUvvBNtQnLqnu9M57mwEZij9cy9QUL_pmK_sIPwZDe4pu4JU vIXxFAFK3wIGWWt9oxP9BC_2yhxaAXYLTrOm4.j4AEB_iKkniziXpW08R4RI pNq8_Rm7UFJnEw1AYN.i04qKDBVbl_WMTmvLltUSooFyygudvS1QBb_IZHGr KHpA9v82YLPHIDJYKpd6vxNGBbriSwtHajJOjRiHgd3QFjcr5PfdTnA_90ap J0uJ5Y3pAD8BjjdJY_TVXOaILCwftw2_cLeS4Gn0. X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <20120508193328.15271.54993.levelstar.mail@everest> <4FAA2DF4.2070206@tiscali.co.uk> <4FAAB119.1020702@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <1336588357.7116.YahooMailNeo@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 11:32:37 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: How come pop music never comes up here? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4FAAB119.1020702@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-709188601-69432411-1336588357=:7116" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 18:32:39 +0000 (UTC) ---709188601-69432411-1336588357=:7116 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Drum machines and sequencers, with arpeggiation thrown in. Kraftwerk started it in the 70s. They were universally scorned by the press, although I enjoyed it very much. During the "post punk, new wave, 2nd british invasion, it became the norm. Unless you were a metal band, or western country, which, when southern rock went out of style, all them fellas backed off their distortion, cut their hair, turned the vocals up a bit, and left us with the formulaic, "new country". Rig ________________________________ From: andy butler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 11:02 AM Subject: Re: How come pop music never comes up here? Matt Davignon wrote: > I wouldn't even say it's to cover bad musicianship. I think the amount > of polish that goes into modern rock and roll is so ubiquitous that > listeners expect bands to play songs with inhuman precision, and no > variation. Anything less than that is considered a "bad take"! > > Personally I enjoy hearing the occasional subtle screwups. Right, so in the 1980's someone decided that metronomic was accurate and correct, and anything else, even if it added a certain charm, was essentially a mistake, or at least inaccurate. Anyone know why that caught on? andy (thinks he's playing off the beat with precision ) ---709188601-69432411-1336588357=:7116 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Drum machines and sequencers, with arpeggiation thrown in. Kraftwerk started it in the 70s. They were universally scorned by the press, although I enjoyed it very much. During the "post punk, new wave, 2nd british invasion, it became the norm. Unless you were a metal band, or western country, which, when southern rock went out of style, all them fellas backed off their distortion, cut their hair, turned the vocals up a bit, and left us with the formulaic, "new country".
Rig
From: andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: How come pop music never comes up here?



Matt Davignon wrote:
> I wouldn't even say it's to cover bad musicianship. I think the amount
> of polish that goes into modern rock and roll is so ubiquitous that
> listeners expect bands to play songs with inhuman precision, and no
> variation. Anything less than that is considered a "bad take"!
>
> Personally I enjoy hearing the occasional subtle screwups.

Right, so in the 1980's someone decided that metronomic was
accurate and correct, and anything else, even if it added
a certain charm, was essentially a mistake, or at least inaccurate.

Anyone know why that caught on?
andy
(thinks he's playing off the beat with precision )



---709188601-69432411-1336588357=:7116-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 18:43:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90B34183474; Wed, 9 May 2012 18:43:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0952684154==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120509183827.2622.84437.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 14:38:28 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: more details about the Looper's Delight / Livelooping Conference 2012 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 18:43:32 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0952684154== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello,=20loopers!=20We=20have=20more=20details=20about=20the=20Looper's=20D= elight=20/=20Livelooping=20Conference=20 2012,=20on=20June=202,=202012,=20from=202:00=20to=205:00=20PM=20US=20Easter= n=20Time.=20I=20will=20repost=20the=20 log-in=20(dial-in)=20directions=20later=20this=20month=20as=20a=20reminder.= =20Yes,=20this=20conference=20will=20be=20recorded=20and=20 made=20available=20as=20a=20digital=20file=20or=20album=20of=20some=20sort.= =20And,=20over=20the=20phone=20lines,=20you=20will=20be=20able=20 to=20share=20your=20loops=20that=20you=20do=20live=20(or=20tracks=20that=20= you=20already=20recorded).=20And=20we=20can=20chat=20like=20we=20can=20on= =20the=20 mailing=20list,=20but=20in=20realtime;=20it's=20as=20live=20as=20live=20loo= ping!=20Of=20course,=20we=20recommend=20that=20you=20keep=20 bad=20language=20to=20a=20minimum;=20I've=20heard=20people=20go=20crazy=20i= n=20this=20forum!=20If=20there=20is=20just=20one=20strong=20word,=20it=20 will=20be=20a=20few=20months=20before=20upload;=20we=20need=20to=20pull=20o= ut=20some=20editing=20software=20and=20bleep=20stuff.=20But=20it=20will=20 probably=20still=20be=20available=20uncensored=20(in=20telephone=20quality)= =20where=20you=20can=20listen=20over=20the=20phone-lines=20 on=20the=20Conversation=20Station=20Recordings=20Index.=20So,=20do=20you=20= think=20that=20the=20conference=20should=20be=20available=20for=20free=20af= ter=20 the=20show=20is=20over,=20or=20do=20you=20think=20it=20should=20be=20releas= ed=20as=20a=20Looper's=20Delight=20CD? 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To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <4FAAB119.1020702@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1929490892-1301659744-1336592498=:2751" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 19:41:39 +0000 (UTC) --1929490892-1301659744-1336592498=:2751 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i would argue that it was the ubiquity of remixing that pushed this to the = forefront, at least in anything the least bit dancey.=A0 you can watch it s= olidify in the 90s, as, for an example,=A0jamiroquai changed from loose n' = limber stevie wonderesque acid jazz grooves that any motown session would h= ave been proud to produce, to the wretched fourth album, called "synkronize= d" because it was linked to a 4/4 template for ease of remixing.=A0 i would= also say that the reliance of touring acts on pre-recorded backing tracks = in place of touring musicians has increased reliance on metronomic means of= recording the original album material. oh, and neil peart set a new level = of precision for all drummers after him.=A0 after my third rush concert, i = stopped going, because i actually wanted to hear something different than t= he album, and rush reproduced their songs so faithfully in the late 80s tha= t it was a waste for me to go to shows.=A0 but i am sure that quite a few "feel" drummers from the 80s on have been frustrated in studios as one pro= ducer after another attempted to smooth their groove by the metronome.=A0 i= 'm sure the disco years were tough on charlie watts.=0A=A0=0Atime (tsunamid= aily)=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: andy butler =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Wedne= sday, May 9, 2012 12:02 PM=0ASubject: Re: How come pop music never comes up= here?=0A =0A=0A=0AMatt Davignon wrote:=0A> I wouldn't even say it's to co= ver bad musicianship. I think the amount=0A> of polish that goes into moder= n rock and roll is so ubiquitous that=0A> listeners expect bands to play so= ngs with inhuman precision, and no=0A> variation. Anything less than that i= s considered a "bad take"!=0A> =0A> Personally I enjoy hearing the occasion= al subtle screwups.=0A=0ARight, so in the 1980's someone decided that metro= nomic was=0Aaccurate and correct, and anything else, even if it added=0Aa c= ertain charm, was essentially a mistake, or at least inaccurate.=0A=0AAnyon= e know why that caught on? =0Aandy=0A(thinks he's playing off the beat with= precision ) --1929490892-1301659744-1336592498=:2751 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i would ar= gue that it was the ubiquity of remixing that pushed this to the forefront,= at least in anything the least bit dancey.  you can watch it solidify= in the 90s, as, for an example, jamiroquai changed from loose n' limb= er stevie wonderesque acid jazz grooves that any motown session would have = been proud to produce, to the wretched fourth album, called "synkronized" b= ecause it was linked to a 4/4 template for ease of remixing.  i would = also say that the reliance of touring acts on pre-recorded backing tracks i= n place of touring musicians has increased reliance on metronomic means of = recording the original album material. oh, and neil peart set a new level o= f precision for all drummers after him.  after my third rush concert, = i stopped going, because i actually wanted to hear something different than the album, and rush reproduced their songs so faithfully in the late = 80s that it was a waste for me to go to shows.  but i am sure that qui= te a few "feel" drummers from the 80s on have been frustrated in studios as= one producer after another attempted to smooth their groove by the metrono= me.  i'm sure the disco years were tough on charlie watts.
 
time (tsunamidaily)
<= div>
From: andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.c= o.uk>
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Sent: = Wednesday, May 9, 2012 12:02 PM
S= ubject: Re: How come pop music never comes up here?
 =

=0A

Matt Davignon wrote:
> I wouldn't even say it's= to cover bad musicianship. I think the amount
> of polish that goes = into modern rock and roll is so ubiquitous that
> listeners expect ba= nds to play songs with inhuman precision, and no
> variation. Anythin= g less than that is considered a "bad take"!
>
> Personally I = enjoy hearing the occasional subtle screwups.

Right, so in the 1980'= s someone decided that metronomic was
accurate and correct, and anything= else, even if it added
a certain charm, was essentially a mistake, or a= t least inaccurate.

Anyone know why that caught on?
andy
(thi= nks he's playing off the beat with precision )



--1929490892-1301659744-1336592498=:2751-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 19:48:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABA8B183464; Wed, 9 May 2012 19:48:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=m5sL9vTHlse6kL9BZzW1WuY7RWCwanrMwGJFvLyVLY4=; b=S7OM/FrZy+8R5keYQB6Ham1kWry+UIt5G3O+x5EUDXSSpuznbNiw09aSGVZieWBF97 7w3lS8sACpb0PMV0WSnNW57sb7QQijF+GW28EVvi8gpGKk+uxKGSwVSAAolymlYjVDVP R+t7CSGXGeNsbp6bEHxoFzozkiP6pdUhbyff4058B/AwsIS3C27QAemBDjaOGBkzN54d LkjhRykrpuU//9PV/1kYeWsW7Ihh8dFQwk6wsqHxDvJMMLuat+RsJY1wTaS2oBB+0Z/J 8CqdJA9Gvx8c25OW0NmRtgWbgsQ89XrOKYYY82rnKhKs8ZjJcYo864jfTMjU+8BunU5z JI9g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4FAAB001.2080305@googlemail.com> References: <4FAA8C38.8010407@brainticket.de> <4FAAB001.2080305@googlemail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 21:47:38 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: zxlGQ8GcjD_lX8JZiC7M_CtuWeM Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looper for minimal music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec554d4ecc565f904bf9fc76d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 19:48:00 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec554d4ecc565f904bf9fc76d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > The Repeater, which Simeon mentioned, can't do this as far as I know, as > the individual tracks can't be stretched/varispeeded invididually. Of > course, using multiple repeaters...;) > > Rainer > Yeah Rainer I was wondering what Simeon meant actually, because I read a kind of Steve Reich effect was what Andreas had in mind. for such an effect one would have to lengthen ONE track so that it went out of synch, with the others, and then on further repetions went further out. The Repeater wont do that. However, he said phase shifting. and then Per goes, Yeah Repeater.. so I thought, maybe he means, just moving one track slightly out of synch with another. this it does VERY WELL, using track slip. this can on track can be moved out of synch by samples (or cents probably, some tiny value) and beats, so you can immedaitly bout a track out of synch by a beat, 2 beats, 2 bars.. what ever. (and when I say immediatly I mean that lovelly lolloping wobble that Repeater lovers love, and that Repeater haters have forgotten because they sold it a long time ago...) So I nice phasing is when you record a stereo track, come out of record, pres hold on of the tracks and top the other, so that you break the stereo, go into one track and ever so slightly changed the track slip (right encoder)... on headphones this can make you fall off your bike, because remember the tracks are still panned, so subtly you get a left right phasing, and then a left right slap and finally a fjord style echo (one that come back half a minute later!) -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --bcaec554d4ecc565f904bf9fc76d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The Repeater, which Simeon mentioned, can't do this as far as I know, a= s the individual tracks can't be stretched/varispeeded invididually. Of= course, using multiple repeaters...;)

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Rainer

Yeah Rainer= I was wondering what Simeon meant actually, because I read a kind of Steve= Reich effect was what Andreas had in mind. for such an effect one would ha= ve to lengthen ONE track so that it went out of synch, with the others, and= then on further repetions went further out.
The Repeater wont do that. However, he said phase shifting. and then Per go= es, Yeah Repeater.. so I thought, maybe he means, just moving one track sli= ghtly out of synch with another. this it does VERY WELL, using track slip. = this can on track can be moved out of synch by samples (or cents probably, = some tiny value) and beats, so you can immedaitly bout a track out of synch= by a beat, 2 beats, 2 bars.. what ever. (and when I say immediatly I mean = that lovelly lolloping wobble that Repeater lovers love, and that Repeater = haters have forgotten because they sold it a long time ago...)

So I nice phasing is when you record a stereo track, come out of record= , pres hold on of the tracks and top the other, so that you break the stere= o, go into one track and ever so slightly changed the track slip (right enc= oder)... on headphones this can make you fall off your bike, because rememb= er the tracks are still panned, so subtly you get a left right phasing, and= then a left right slap and finally a fjord style echo (one that come back = half a minute later!)

--



Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.c= om/photos/24478662@N00/

--bcaec554d4ecc565f904bf9fc76d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 19:58:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 199B5183463; Wed, 9 May 2012 19:58:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=rJvTMbKL822tp2+868rqH0JBjUX0UP83BtYmJQ39uI4=; b=AmXlR/TZrV/OatlrmHRUUWQxAolaBQT5wULGaddBL/dE0yMUI6LgGokomio7zZO7kc GcDoL0Pij7hm+7ZWDySIIlenOm6yjXaYqWM3PQisiymuIAAV9/FpJtYqFOWCbwTf9O2T jzq72NkVV4sl4ffmur/BNXawOjtAS1yxs1Af3uPVVeZucmL6zq+5oMpclWfel5+FjeCR MLiqWzJtyyvz4dMbEX5sQSilR+7S/c7gUxT8NrkyL8juIaHtzPvTVnivrYP9vTpqlvTe hFOa4EGLJ3k810AxFay7AQFbVVt/j0IJspox7QOiUt0b4G8jwSNH7cw0SHMBmi5Oj+8j xxsA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 21:57:48 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6M9uNN4kL_Lk0PiwU93vE4FjSi4 Message-ID: Subject: OFF TOPIC, Have a holiday at Marks house! To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9d67ebc17294a04bf9fecfc Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 19:58:09 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9d67ebc17294a04bf9fecfc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Funny one this... Very OT and frankly its just SPAM... In a need to get the kid into a better school, and for me to chill more (stress been killing me for 6 months) IM MOVING! Ive rented a house out of town a bit (the town being Oslo Norway, in case some of you didnt know) Heres the house Im renting http://www.finn.no/finn/realestate/lettings/object?finnkode=3D34603706 BUT IM KEEPING MY OWN HOUSE!! So.. Anyone wanna rent it for a holiday! Its an old Wooden house from 1794, 15 minutes bus from Oslo Sentrum, and 5 minutes from the groovy hip area. We=B4re doing it though AirBnB... HERES MY HOUSE!! (And wife, she comes extra) http://www.airbnb.com/rooms/430022 Very OT and frankly its just SPAM...SOrry about that.... except... Not mentioned in the website ad, there is a room full of hissy old loopers, in a room that will be kept locked for our regular guests, LD members may be given the key. --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --14dae9d67ebc17294a04bf9fecfc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Funny one this... Very OT and frankly its just SPAM...
In a need to get= the kid into a better school, and for me to chill more (stress been killin= g me for 6 months)

IM MOVING!
Ive rented a house out of town a b= it (the town being Oslo Norway, in case some of you didnt know)

Heres the house Im renting http://www.finn.no/finn/realestate/l= ettings/object?finnkode=3D34603706

BUT IM KEEPING MY OWN HOUSE!!=

So.. Anyone wanna rent it for a holiday!
Its an old Wooden house fro= m 1794, 15 minutes bus from Oslo Sentrum, and 5 minutes from the groovy hip= area.

We=B4re doing it though AirBnB...

HERES MY HOUSE!! (An= d wife, she comes extra)

http://www.airbnb.com/ro= oms/430022

Very OT and frankly its just SPAM...SOrry about that.= ...
=A0except...

Not mentioned in the website ad, there is a room= full of hissy old loopers, in a room that will be kept locked for our regu= lar guests, LD members may be given the key.

--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
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--14dae9d67ebc17294a04bf9fecfc-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 20:04:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38A75183464; Wed, 9 May 2012 20:04:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=F99Uup/pcsBoElrs8RIDhUmZCSVwVRziLpsyqfP2Q8Q=; b=VlHHHJoUrPtU5ZtDPWCeP8meHhdXNhwVV+RAmaqs0Ilg1/WCfnCXPDWoO0qlfYf/4Z AFcFIQxIKTDPTYxiExVKSzD9iQYEj/Xc9oev/EKZCB3qwncZln1ydoR5BRx0Ssmpy1wT P35K9q0u9nguWhzf4Si45bsEZ/Jn4W+3ZAO4JbxjbpGpCrppm8eYRikpdm/0OrtKWF8s 3BpX5RlLQjge0QSNYRVsdraj2oWNQwuKglSuW3xo965ZFKi5ifUc5oaip1x8H23NDuhh VjcbjIeDMJfg1F+baLGV7J46DPRzdlhTMWUomshi0hIamFa5BY2HfY5/dY+1xqCRngwh Lvfw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4FAA8C38.8010407@brainticket.de> <4FAAB001.2080305@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 22:04:09 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looper for minimal music From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 20:04:10 +0000 (UTC) >> The Repeater, which Simeon mentioned, can't do this as far as I know, as >> the individual tracks can't be stretched/varispeeded invididually. Of >> course, using multiple repeaters...;) >> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Rainer > > On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 9:47 PM, mark francombe wro= te: > Yeah Rainer I was wondering what Simeon meant actually, because I read a > kind of Steve Reich effect was what Andreas had in mind. for such an effe= ct > one would have to lengthen ONE track so that it went out of synch, with t= he > others, and then on further repetions went further out. > The Repeater wont do that. However, he said phase shifting. and then Per > goes, Yeah Repeater.. What I was thinking about is to stereo split the tracks of a Repeater loop. That I did a lot when I was using a Repater. But when scrutinizing my memory I'm not sure I did long "Steve Reich phasings". The way to achieve that would be to make one stereo track slightly shorter or longer and to do that on a Repetar you need to tune it up/down a cent or two. I know software solutions is OT in this thread but in Mobius you can do a very accurate phasing by applying a script Simeon made. It splits the loop into two parallel loops, pans them a bit left/right and makes one slightly shorter. I have changed that script a bit and for me the phasing reaches its first sync point after about sixty bars, which I think works well. Actually, I migrated most of my EDP, Repeater and Ableton Live tricks into Mobius when picking it up seven years ago. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 20:11:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 967C618345A; Wed, 9 May 2012 20:11:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_03e6e80f-5bc8-444d-bc05-a6ffcaac9041_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Looper for minimal music Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 20:11:14 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <4FAA8C38.8010407@brainticket.de>,<4FAAB001.2080305@googlemail.com>,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2012 20:11:14.0741 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2CAAE50:01CD2E1F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 20:11:16 +0000 (UTC) --_03e6e80f-5bc8-444d-bc05-a6ffcaac9041_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Again on the octatrack you can have one track that is=2C say=2C 17 (or 63) = steps and another that is 16 (or 62)=2C which means that they will go out o= f phase.. and you can stretch each track separatly.. and very soon (i hope)= loop in the more standard way.... and pitchshift=2C slowdown=2C distort= =2C resmaple=2C retriger=2C use LFO's=2C filters=2C reverb=2C echo=2C phase= r=2C flanger=2C bit reduse.. ..=20 > Date: Wed=2C 9 May 2012 22:04:09 +0200 > Subject: Re: Looper for minimal music > From: perboysen@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > >> The Repeater=2C which Simeon mentioned=2C can't do this as far as I kn= ow=2C as > >> the individual tracks can't be stretched/varispeeded invididually. Of > >> course=2C using multiple repeaters...=3B) > >> > >> Rainer > > > > >=20 > On Wed=2C May 9=2C 2012 at 9:47 PM=2C mark francombe wrote: > > Yeah Rainer I was wondering what Simeon meant actually=2C because I rea= d a > > kind of Steve Reich effect was what Andreas had in mind. for such an ef= fect > > one would have to lengthen ONE track so that it went out of synch=2C wi= th the > > others=2C and then on further repetions went further out. > > The Repeater wont do that. However=2C he said phase shifting. and then = Per > > goes=2C Yeah Repeater.. >=20 >=20 > What I was thinking about is to stereo split the tracks of a Repeater > loop. That I did a lot when I was using a Repater. But when > scrutinizing my memory I'm not sure I did long "Steve Reich phasings". > The way to achieve that would be to make one stereo track slightly > shorter or longer and to do that on a Repetar you need to tune it > up/down a cent or two. >=20 > I know software solutions is OT in this thread but in Mobius you can > do a very accurate phasing by applying a script Simeon made. It splits > the loop into two parallel loops=2C pans them a bit left/right and makes > one slightly shorter. I have changed that script a bit and for me the > phasing reaches its first sync point after about sixty bars=2C which I > think works well. Actually=2C I migrated most of my EDP=2C Repeater and > Ableton Live tricks into Mobius when picking it up seven years ago. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 = --_03e6e80f-5bc8-444d-bc05-a6ffcaac9041_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Again on the octatrack you can have one track that is=2C say=2C 17 (or 63) = steps and another that is 16 (or 62)=2C which means that they will go out o= f phase.. and you can stretch each track separatly.. and very soon (i hope)= loop in the more standard way.... and  =3Bpitchshift=2C slowdown=2C di= stort=2C resmaple=2C retriger=2C use LFO's=2C filters=2C reverb=2C echo=2C = phaser=2C flanger=2C bit reduse.. .. =3B

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= = --_03e6e80f-5bc8-444d-bc05-a6ffcaac9041_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 22:39:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA494183455; Wed, 9 May 2012 22:39:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=mPRYHs6g05eYoRPe8GUp46kJt7C6S7/ZCo9QjYxmiAg=; b=IkAZMEhb4JVG3kt6FxChmSeMZ5jQOuLq/kJ3CjPm0Ixf6iRI+OJ6cEH3APaG9aIyTN echKxRv6Q5wI4SDQlztXXc+iRh+6nP5mAF/LuIVy1PRdcWJAqxK+0bVRh47teFHo9cup UzgDDw8ojZ30f5p8As3LsbSWjsqo+4Zvs9NE2W2Ue7v6Nnp+W9luwRJGRH0vzCvhk2KX IZRIVqxz6PdkYKU0DW0chZv+elXj1ExwLAkltEdUS4AFEMwK8PkJZ6Isj6JQ03mh4L9N lhpGhG9KmMhBu+IquvY4iBKq4/Aslr33C55K8HjA3DbFRVkJaKwYN6yoCByMQ1L7W7Oe W9iA== Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC, Have a holiday at Marks house! References: From: F_Anile Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-200A640E-C3DB-4564-B38A-E1F255974233 X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B176) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 00:39:15 +0200 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 22:39:18 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-200A640E-C3DB-4564-B38A-E1F255974233 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >=20 >=20 > Heres the house Im renting http://www.finn.no/finn/realestate/lettings/obj= ect?finnkode=3D34603706 very nice ! Are you planning to have guests there ?=20 I'm interested, even without the loopers room ! :-) --Apple-Mail-200A640E-C3DB-4564-B38A-E1F255974233 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

very nice !
Are you planning to have guests there ? 
I'm interested, even without the loopers room !

:-)

--Apple-Mail-200A640E-C3DB-4564-B38A-E1F255974233-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 9 23:17:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D758B183461; Wed, 9 May 2012 23:17:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 493 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Wed, 09 May 2012 23:17:01 UTC Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 23:08:46 +0000 (UTC) From: Ancient Eyeball Recipe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <1813887642.79360.1336604926507.JavaMail.root@sz0017a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: 2 loopers for sale/rc-300, eh 2880 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_79359_994694270.1336604926506" X-Originating-IP: [71.6.54.82] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.13_GA_2944 (ZimbraWebClient - IE8 (Win)/6.0.13_GA_2944) Resent-Message-ID: <65prd.A.IvH.urvqPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 23:17:02 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_79359_994694270.1336604926506 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Both bought new in the last couple of months, and they have not left my apt. The 2880 has the foot switch (which is still sealed in the box). I'd like $400 for either one, shipped to the continental US. I picked up a couple of repeaters recently, and I think that those will serve my purposes just fine. ------=_Part_79359_994694270.1336604926506 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Both bought new in the last couple of months, and they have not left my apt.

 

The 2880 has the foot switch (which is still sealed in the box).

 

I'd like $400 for either one, shipped to the continental US.

 

I picked up a couple of repeaters recently, and I think that those will serve my purposes just fine.

------=_Part_79359_994694270.1336604926506-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 10 01:23:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75BF0183465; Thu, 10 May 2012 01:23:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JYQIUidRAECiNa+jsiaNMIhYElg3H2WoMKCJIGO75f4= c=1 sm=1 a=FPiDGGj6hHsA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:17 a=U1UURw5OAAAA:8 a=e5bQj-YhkBwAsEdSu0UA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=XWZbBXWcKUoA:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC, Have a holiday at Marks house! From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 18:23:32 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <46765CCA-20A6-4247-89CF-01BE6D8D4F68@charter.net> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 01:23:34 +0000 (UTC) Can you say "Looper Retreat"? On May 9, 2012, at 3:39 PM, F_Anile wrote: >> Heres the house Im renting = http://www.finn.no/finn/realestate/lettings/object?finnkode=3D34603706 >=20 > very nice ! > Are you planning to have guests there ?=20 > I'm interested, even without the loopers room ! >=20 > :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 10 01:31:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 858C0183473; Thu, 10 May 2012 01:31:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JYQIUidRAECiNa+jsiaNMIhYElg3H2WoMKCJIGO75f4= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:17 a=KWFFy_cQAAAA:20 a=9VZWUugxC3hvn-3XfIwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Doodle Music From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 18:31:21 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 01:31:23 +0000 (UTC) Mark, Nice visualization of a lot of musical concepts and "gestures" in there = . . . in addion to looping/repetition. Could be a really useful teaching tool. Thanks for sharing. Ted On May 9, 2012, at 8:06 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > Not LIVE looping but she starts out with "loops"... >=20 > = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DAv_Us6xHkUc&feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_playe= r From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 10 04:00:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87AAE183462; Thu, 10 May 2012 04:00:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 05:59:58 +0200 (CEST) From: antony hequet Reply-To: antony hequet To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <686567144.110561.1336622398451.JavaMail.www@wwinf1m27> Subject: Lyrics on iPad MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_110560_1434166896.1336622398448" X-Originating-IP: [178.193.233.114] X-WUM-FROM: |~| X-WUM-TO: |~| X-WUM-REPLYTO: |~| Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 04:00:00 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_110560_1434166896.1336622398448 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello loopies, hs anyone sampled the apps for lyrics on iPad? =C2=A0 Antony Hequet looping poet ------=_Part_110560_1434166896.1336622398448 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

hello loopies,

hs anyone sampled the apps for lyrics on iPad?

 

Antony Hequet

looping poet

------=_Part_110560_1434166896.1336622398448-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 10 04:55:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 800B618345D; Thu, 10 May 2012 04:55:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FAB4A22.5000203@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 21:54:58 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: LOOP PEDAL FEATURE Spread Sheet proposed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 04:55:05 +0000 (UTC) In a thread at the Loopers Delight Facebook page, I suggested that we start to amass a data base of feature sets of all available current and past looping devices that are now available either new or in used condition, and to post this list at www.livelooping.org with links sent to all relevant looping websites (loopers delight.com, loopers delight at facebook group, and any relevant guitar or gear sites. I think we could probably pitch the printing of such a feature set at many of the gear and instrumental magazines in print and online ultimately and it would be a great service for newbies getting into this world in the future. Simeon suggested that it would be most efficacious to use a spread sheet styled approach which I think is a grand idea. Towards that end, I wanted to kick start this idea by suggesting all the feature sets I can remember of the Electrix Repeater, Gibson EDP, Line 6 DL-4, Line 6 M-9/13, Looperlative LP1/LP2 which are loopers I've owned personally. I suggest that people make suggestions for this spread sheet by specifically writing HARDWARE LOOPER FEATURES or SOFTWARE LOOPER FEATURES in the subject line so that we can very easily collate the information. If people are amenable, I will start the next thread with the HARDWARE LOOPER FEATURES set of features. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 10 04:56:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35B31183464; Thu, 10 May 2012 04:56:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FAB4A60.1010200@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 21:56:00 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: HARDWARE LOOPER FEATURE SET (for proposed spreadsheet) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 04:56:07 +0000 (UTC) HARDWARE FEATURES (for spread sheet comparison): some suggestions, please add more: RECORD PLAY OVERDUB (immediate or with 2nd button press) REVERSE 1/2 SPEED/Double SPEED 1/4 SPEED/Quadruple SPEED PITCH CONTROL (static or variable) PITCH CONTROL (with time stretching) RETRIGGER (one shot/continuous/random) MUTE (unmuted restarts loop) MUTE (unmuted starts where loop stopped) REPLACE QUANTIZED REPLACE SCRAMBLE MULTIPLY (quantized- multiples of 2 or more) MULTIPLY (unquantized - ability to make shorter loops or longer fractions) FEEDBACK LOOP WINDOWING UNDO (number of layers listed in answer) SYNCHRONIZED LOOPS UNSYNCHRONIZED LOOPS MONO/STEREO/MULTIPLE OUTS MIDI (I/O) STORAGE OF LOOPS (real time or non-real time) STORAGE MEDIA BATTERY POWERED AC POWERED (included with purchase or not?) EXTRA DSP (delays/other effects) SIZE (SP = Boss single pedal size, 2SP = DL-4 sized 1U or 2U (rack sized) STREET PRICE USED PRICE MANUAL (M = marginal EX = excellent) VIDEO MANUAL (" ") Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 10 05:14:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71B4E183462; Thu, 10 May 2012 05:14:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=VqfaWm1DdvJ3JRDgZGpTuWJacJmTmNP8RxUhQ8sgIe0=; b=pAk2E4NTnjN6lt6QFdoddB2u3umfcrqnWUNUgcde9oM9IlT+6aeOHE1EwqFokNCJCX ffPrmeq/8sXB5pDSTTyRSGDCKFm7CIPoXL6bRUzT58XIx5VhpxGs66/auL+eGnOsdMUx gRi1jVD5v5U65iTtsnJlZMw48obQTn22NeMZtxXd3T3DPUW0Zy63/URMMEHd8VU5h9Ov sQXLKICVYRoNEeKXQTk/JH9JjkfAE+yxN4EE3hPa1bOWTUdcSGbCAzaDoh7KxMAhoQx+ ZMS11kNcl2pT9XNZG5UVa4J5iey2YwlK+/t0xJMDX9X6QcaV3Y02FqdIS7YKvSz14ZGO ZX5Q== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: LP-1? From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: <4310F59C-1603-4554-B268-79EAFAD41F36@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 22:14:29 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9CFFDB95-B99E-4F9A-9D8E-A8691239C82B@gmail.com> References: <4310F59C-1603-4554-B268-79EAFAD41F36@earthlink.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 05:14:33 +0000 (UTC) Cara, I have been using both the LP1 and the EDP extensively. =20 Started with EDP, moved to the LP1 attracted by the Scramble feature as = well as the notion that it might be like having eight stereo EDPs in a = box. It was not like that ;)=20 While folks like Bill Walker have mastered development of material over = time on the LP1, I found myself trapped in it, creating static stacks of = material, unable to break out of those stacks and really get the = material to move. I returned primarily to the EDP and really love = getting back to that linear workflow, developing looped material over = time with the SUS commands, copyLoop, multiply, unroundedMultiply, = stutter, prevLoop, windowing, and so on. Such a pleasure ;) That said, I keep the LP1 in my rig. The audio is gorgeous for sure. I = use it for the Scramble feature still, and for ambient loops that I = don't have to think too much about. I am happy to have it in my rig, but = EDP is home base. At some point I will get back to working the deeper = bits of LP1 workflow. As for Repeater, I keep one of those on hand too but have not had *any* = time to explore it. I'm looking forward to learning about it sometime = this year :) Best, Phil :) On May 9, 2012, at 11:04 AM, Cara Quinn wrote: > Hello! >=20 > To all you owners of the Looperlative, I'm wondering, should I = purchase one? :) >=20 > What I mean is this; as many of you know, I use the EDP and also love = the Repeater. I prefer the EDP as a dynamic live instrument for its = abilities to create granular, flexible loops on the fly which play nice = with other musicians, and the Repeater for its abilities to create tonal = lines from drones, and sync in a real-time malleable manner. >=20 > Are there features of the LP-1 which would really complement the edP = and repeater? -And is it easy / friendly to use live?=85 >=20 > Thanks so much and I hope my questions are not too vague=85 >=20 > Have a terrific day!=85 >=20 > Smiles, >=20 > Cara :) > --- > View my Online Portfolio at: > http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 10 07:54:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87A17183463; Thu, 10 May 2012 07:54:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <20120509200411.DA550183478@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20120509200411.DA550183478@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Looper for minimal music Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 09:54:20 +0200 Message-ID: <002801cd2e82$1b93a720$52baf560$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0uH89Gs32UeMGGQ+KbuaoJPpQIpQAYhziw Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: <7BAgyB.A.1lE.0Q3qPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 07:54:28 +0000 (UTC) Matt Davignon > took the original recording of "Four Organs" by Steve = Reich, and remade it using time-stretch way cool Matt! -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 10 09:34:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1631183461; Thu, 10 May 2012 09:34:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <5E93F886-BA20-4DFB-8161-E0523ECCCF09@baymoon.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Strategies for Hiding a Loop In-Reply-To: <5E93F886-BA20-4DFB-8161-E0523ECCCF09@baymoon.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Patrick Bishop X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CEFCA749438E58_B70_133978_webmail-m023.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36073-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CEFCA7493545FA-B70-5C7E5@webmail-m023.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [75.11.11.216] Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 05:34:52 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336642492; bh=UriK638zcgzs85VhRGHuzAK/3hMvjRsSUAKgc3XByv8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dk3kaeOXpe9+7ubFWbsAOtzNsCsxyB43+/Gzrepu4ZRSBGJHGlb/elTVfBkK6TKne wwU2xldYywMdBiuvw0s1b4tgvjLgZiPbUkL3lqQOVVf0SatFviBlvCl2hwNWI8J1Zn iPXaEazSlTO4TfKpfSMmnhyDiG3V919f03AonL8k= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:403436128:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290c4fab8bbc3253 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 09:34:57 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CEFCA749438E58_B70_133978_webmail-m023.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" After all these years of Hat Head...if only I'd known!! PJ -----Original Message----- From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 11:23 am Subject: Re: Strategies for Hiding a Loop "One thing that I find really effective is to fade in just a bit of reverse= loop to kind of hide the starting and ending points. This a great feature = on the Vox Dynamic Looper but is probably available on other loopers as wel= l. Just a dab will do you." Good strategy patrick, will this strategy be henceforth known as the Brylc= reem maneuver? and if so , will this mean women won't be able to resist get= ting there fingers in our loops? to wit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Do6F4GtyRfto =20 ----------MB_8CEFCA749438E58_B70_133978_webmail-m023.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Aft= er all these years of Hat Head...if only I'd known!!

=3D";-)" PJ


"One thing that I find really effective is to fade in just a bit of r= everse loop to kind of hide the starting and ending points. This a great fe= ature on the Vox Dynamic Looper but is probably available on other loopers = as well. Just a dab will do you."


Good strategy patrick= ,  will this st= rategy be henceforth known as the Brylcreem maneuver? and if so , will this= mean women won't be able to resist getting there fingers in our loops?
 to wit:
----------MB_8CEFCA749438E58_B70_133978_webmail-m023.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 10 10:49:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65C5B183466; Thu, 10 May 2012 10:49:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 358 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 10 May 2012 10:49:29 UTC Message-ID: <75A75A382B3A49648752E3803C624A1B@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Little mixer and FX suggestions Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 11:43:33 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0064_01CD2EA2.20EAC990" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 10:49:30 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01CD2EA2.20EAC990 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99ve been using a Mackie 1202VLZ for around 12 years. My only = complaint is that the two effects sends are mono... thus my Quadraverb = takes up the whole compliment if hooked up that way. It integrates with = a PC setup though not through optical/usb etc. Solid as a rock, though. From: Sergio G=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 5:13 PM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Little mixer and FX suggestions Hello guys!=20 I saw from your videos that probably many of you in their performances = use little mixers. I wonder about which one would you suggest me. In this moment I really cannot imagine how many devices could I need to = connect, so I was thinking about a 8 to 12 max channels. But also I was wandering about effects. I will need effects to make the = sounds of my loops (especially for the voice but also for the other = things) less raw. The Roland RP-7 vocal harmonizer (still waiting for it to arrive) only = has echo and reverb if I remember well, and I hope of good quality = enough for little live performances :) I am also getting a used Digitech Vocal 300 to add more strange effects, = monster voices etc. But it also has more classical effects like delay = echo and reverb and compressor. Not sure about the quality but I guess = enough for what I have to do. Do you think the same or you suggest me to get something with more = quality effects? In this case, would a mixer with effects be a good choice? But, with or without effects, which brand/model would you suggest? I can easily get here the Beringer Xenyx ones used for cheap. Some of = them have got compressor and 24 bit effects. Others only the 24 bit = effects or not 24 bit effects. Then for more I can get I can get the Allen & Heath ZED 10 (and 10fx). Also I see many offers for the Mackie 1402 VLZ and VLZ Pro, plus some = opther Mackie ones. And the Soundcraft EPM 6 and 8 or maybe some more model. Suggestions? ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01CD2EA2.20EAC990 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I=E2=80=99ve been using a Mackie 1202VLZ for around 12 years.  = My only=20 complaint is that the two effects sends are mono... thus my Quadraverb = takes up=20 the whole compliment if hooked up that way.  It integrates with a = PC setup=20 though not through optical/usb etc.  Solid as a rock, though.
 
From: Sergio G
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 5:13 PM
Subject: Little mixer and FX suggestions
 
Hello guys!=20
 
I saw from your videos that probably many of you in their = performances use=20 little mixers.
I wonder about which one would you suggest me.
In this moment I really cannot imagine how many devices could I = need to=20 connect, so I was thinking about a 8 to 12 max channels.
But also I was wandering about effects. I will need effects to make = the=20 sounds of my loops (especially for the voice but also for the other = things) less=20 raw.
The Roland RP-7 vocal harmonizer (still waiting for it to arrive) = only has=20 echo and reverb if I remember well, and I hope of good quality enough = for little=20 live performances :)
I am also getting a used Digitech Vocal 300 to add more strange = effects,=20 monster voices etc. But it also has more classical effects like delay = echo and=20 reverb and compressor. Not sure about the quality but I guess enough for = what I=20 have to do.
Do you think the same or you suggest me to get something with more = quality=20 effects?
In this case, would a mixer with effects be a good choice?
But, with or without effects, which = brand/model would you suggest?
I can easily get here the = Beringer Xenyx=20 ones used for cheap. Some of them have got compressor and 24 bit = effects. Others=20 only the 24 bit effects or not 24 bit effects.
Then for more I can get I can get the Allen = & Heath=20 ZED 10 (and 10fx).
Also I see many offers for the = Mackie 1402=20 VLZ and VLZ Pro, plus some opther Mackie ones.
And the Soundcraft EPM 6 and 8 or maybe some more=20 model.

Suggestions?

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Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4228F183466; Thu, 10 May 2012 11:52:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_4ef7ea7e-109a-4de7-88a0-94beac9ad30b_" X-Originating-IP: [87.102.15.109] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: LOOP PEDAL FEATURE Spread Sheet proposed Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 11:52:12 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4FAB4A22.5000203@cruzio.com> References: <4FAB4A22.5000203@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 May 2012 11:52:12.0370 (UTC) FILETIME=[56293320:01CD2EA3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 11:52:14 +0000 (UTC) --_4ef7ea7e-109a-4de7-88a0-94beac9ad30b_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable funny enough =2C I already have a sreadsheet I used when advising someone e= lse. RepeaterEDPLine 6 M9Line 6 DL4Boss RC20 (non xl) I can pass it over > Date: Wed=2C 9 May 2012 21:54:58 -0700 > From: looppool@cruzio.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: LOOP PEDAL FEATURE Spread Sheet proposed >=20 > In a thread at the Loopers Delight Facebook page=2C I suggested > that we start to amass a data base of feature sets of all available > current and past looping devices that are now available either new > or in used condition=2C and to post this list at > www.livelooping.org with links sent to all relevant looping websites > (loopers delight.com=2C loopers delight at facebook group=2C and any re= levant > guitar or gear sites. >=20 > I think we could probably pitch the printing of such a feature set > at many of the gear and instrumental magazines in print and online > ultimately and it would be a great service for newbies getting into this= =20 > world > in the future. >=20 > Simeon suggested that it would be most efficacious to use a > spread sheet styled approach which I think is a grand idea. >=20 > Towards that end=2C I wanted to kick start this idea by suggesting > all the feature sets I can remember of the Electrix Repeater=2C Gibson ED= P=2C > Line 6 DL-4=2C Line 6 M-9/13=2C Looperlative LP1/LP2 which are loopers > I've owned personally. >=20 > I suggest that people make suggestions for this spread sheet > by specifically writing HARDWARE LOOPER FEATURES or SOFTWARE LOOPER=20 > FEATURES > in the subject line so that we can very easily collate the information. >=20 > If people are amenable=2C I will start the next thread with the HARDWARE= =20 > LOOPER FEATURES > set of features. >=20 > Rick Walker >=20 = --_4ef7ea7e-109a-4de7-88a0-94beac9ad30b_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
funny enough =2C I already have a sreadsheet I used when advising someone e= lse.

Repeater
EDP
Line 6 M9
Line 6 DL4
Boss RC20 (non xl)

I can pa= ss it over


>= =3B Date: Wed=2C 9 May 2012 21:54:58 -0700
>=3B From: looppool@cruzio.= com
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B Subject: LO= OP PEDAL FEATURE Spread Sheet proposed
>=3B
>=3B In a thread at= the Loopers Delight Facebook page=2C I suggested
>=3B that we start = to amass a data base of feature sets of all available
>=3B current and= past looping devices that are now available either new
>=3B or in use= d condition=2C and to post this list at
>=3B www.livelooping.org with = links sent to all relevant looping websites
>=3B (loopers delight.com= =2C loopers delight at facebook group=2C and any relevant
>=3B guita= r or gear sites.
>=3B
>=3B I think we could probably pitch the p= rinting of such a feature set
>=3B at many of the gear and instrumenta= l magazines in print and online
>=3B ultimately and it would be a grea= t service for newbies getting into this
>=3B world
>=3B in the f= uture.
>=3B
>=3B Simeon suggested that it would be most efficaci= ous to use a
>=3B spread sheet styled approach which I think is a gran= d idea.
>=3B
>=3B Towards that end=2C I wanted to kick start t= his idea by suggesting
>=3B all the feature sets I can remember of the= Electrix Repeater=2C Gibson EDP=2C
>=3B Line 6 DL-4=2C Line 6 M-9/13= =2C Looperlative LP1/LP2 which are loopers
>=3B I've owned personally= .
>=3B
>=3B I suggest that people make suggestions for this spre= ad sheet
>=3B by specifically writing HARDWARE LOOPER FEATURES or SOF= TWARE LOOPER
>=3B FEATURES
>=3B in the subject line so that we c= an very easily collate the information.
>=3B
>=3B If people are = amenable=2C I will start the next thread with the HARDWARE
>=3B LOOP= ER FEATURES
>=3B set of features.
>=3B
>=3B Rick Walker
= >=3B
= --_4ef7ea7e-109a-4de7-88a0-94beac9ad30b_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 10 12:15:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0D01183460; Thu, 10 May 2012 12:15:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=R0aP6QzZYC+e/8Yfs4gUM5S6yvHL4ZULVColOov4YGU=; b=BonhaMTeg2YeNoAhR+AK6j2DItPur9bTOEeLAb5yTmpUV7F2+2yaexVGFrLP/L6q1Q 8i37wwIoGLVUE0R8vVSXK0se2V55sLVoEfHuEgVUsWUtDlc1vugAHN6D4JSHgNI8Dpft Y6BYB9gt0R2PxpYj6Hys+04oYZ+RInNPsK/Qzrg2LJX+8jShjyA9LXrNSitqYHUe8hJv AVh32bCeGoiKxdwddN6ndIIDApGy88gQgTefmSeWIkyM4V+Hn6IdzahhnSRw7oNCdYxy zkzufIv7YsNIdjyKMjnSt2DpnDJ5PIJkZLvOOwpo3fy49XJFMxOeNU7s3bZAaY5qSjlj EDXQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <4FAB4A22.5000203@cruzio.com> From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 14:15:21 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: k7JKO1t6f1ms4dKCOOVqSYceo3c Message-ID: Subject: Re: LOOP PEDAL FEATURE Spread Sheet proposed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04016ae115683a04bfad9439 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 12:15:42 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04016ae115683a04bfad9439 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Surely Pers Shreadsheet at Looproom is pretty comprehensive? On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 1:52 PM, phillip wilson wrote: > funny enough , I already have a sreadsheet I used when advising someone > else. > > Repeater > EDP > Line 6 M9 > Line 6 DL4 > Boss RC20 (non xl) > > I can pass it over > > > > Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 21:54:58 -0700 > > From: looppool@cruzio.com > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: LOOP PEDAL FEATURE Spread Sheet proposed > > > > > In a thread at the Loopers Delight Facebook page, I suggested > > that we start to amass a data base of feature sets of all available > > current and past looping devices that are now available either new > > or in used condition, and to post this list at > > www.livelooping.org with links sent to all relevant looping websites > > (loopers delight.com, loopers delight at facebook group, and any > relevant > > guitar or gear sites. > > > > I think we could probably pitch the printing of such a feature set > > at many of the gear and instrumental magazines in print and online > > ultimately and it would be a great service for newbies getting into this > > world > > in the future. > > > > Simeon suggested that it would be most efficacious to use a > > spread sheet styled approach which I think is a grand idea. > > > > Towards that end, I wanted to kick start this idea by suggesting > > all the feature sets I can remember of the Electrix Repeater, Gibson EDP, > > Line 6 DL-4, Line 6 M-9/13, Looperlative LP1/LP2 which are loopers > > I've owned personally. > > > > I suggest that people make suggestions for this spread sheet > > by specifically writing HARDWARE LOOPER FEATURES or SOFTWARE LOOPER > > FEATURES > > in the subject line so that we can very easily collate the information. > > > > If people are amenable, I will start the next thread with the HARDWARE > > LOOPER FEATURES > > set of features. > > > > Rick Walker > > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d04016ae115683a04bfad9439 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Surely Pers Shreadsheet at Looproom is pretty comprehensive?

On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 1:52 PM, phillip wilson <phillwilson@hotmail.com> wrote:
funny enough , I already have a sreadsheet I used when advising someone els= e.

Repeater
EDP
Line 6 M9
= Line 6 DL4
Boss RC20 (non xl)

I can pass= it over


> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 21:54:58 -0700
&= gt; From: looppool= @cruzio.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: LOOP PEDAL FEATURE Spread Sheet proposed

>
> In a thread at the Loopers Delight Facebook page, I s= uggested
> that we start to amass a data base of feature sets of all = available
> current and past looping devices that are now available either new
= > or in used condition, and to post this list at
> www.livelooping.org with link= s sent to all relevant looping websites
> (loopers delight.com<= /a>, loopers delight at facebook group, and any relevant
> guitar o= r gear sites.
>
> I think we could probably pitch the printing= of such a feature set
> at many of the gear and instrumental magazines in print and online
= > ultimately and it would be a great service for newbies getting into th= is
> world
> in the future.
>
> Simeon suggested = that it would be most efficacious to use a
> spread sheet styled approach which I think is a grand idea.
> > Towards that end, I wanted to kick start this idea by suggesting> all the feature sets I can remember of the Electrix Repeater, Gibson= EDP,
> Line 6 DL-4, Line 6 M-9/13, Looperlative LP1/LP2 which are loopers> I've owned personally.
>
> I suggest that people mak= e suggestions for this spread sheet
> by specifically writing HARDWAR= E LOOPER FEATURES or SOFTWARE LOOPER
> FEATURES
> in the subject line so that we can very easily collat= e the information.
>
> If people are amenable, I will start t= he next thread with the HARDWARE
> LOOPER FEATURES
> set of fe= atures.
>
> Rick Walker
>
<= /div>



--
Mark Francom= be
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--f46d04016ae115683a04bfad9439-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 10 15:01:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A438183474; Thu, 10 May 2012 15:01:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC, Have a holiday at Marks house! In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: michael klobuchar X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CEFCD4ECEAE2E0_101C_2A42E_webmail-stg-m01.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36081-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CEFCD4ECDA3908-101C-9F08@webmail-stg-m01.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [68.162.154.165] Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 11:01:34 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336662094; bh=kYeTCJnv34Izv2JpU4LkF5dhedvNa38NBzs8JTQgftA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gKW4EtVeVpHOWi+1zjzE7Nu8fOX+2r9qJYYW3ZFZwBVbjJw8hqUDhRdfoCmKW2Jn0 2orC6zivsTkVh5lBpo8iTREI22vESIDcdPumafpIU/fMopb02RguWwfW/ZzRylXJ91 cmxd9R/+ZYfBD6ZJgv91SQJ1Tij5/tBVzOU1LN0c= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:277926656:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29084fabd84e19e9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 15:01:36 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CEFCD4ECEAE2E0_101C_2A42E_webmail-stg-m01.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" nothing i like more than watching a washer/dryer spin around (visual loopin= g).....but sitting on a toilet and doing it, outstanding.....sweet looking pad mark.....good luck! =20 ----------MB_8CEFCD4ECEAE2E0_101C_2A42E_webmail-stg-m01.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
nothing i like more than watchi= ng a washer/dryer spin around (visual looping).....but sitting on a toilet = and doing it,

outstanding.....sweet look= ing pad mark.....good luck!


----------MB_8CEFCD4ECEAE2E0_101C_2A42E_webmail-stg-m01.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 10 15:14:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFB99183466; Thu, 10 May 2012 15:14:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5--274133796 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: LP-1? Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 08:13:55 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 15:14:02 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5--274133796 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "While folks like Bill Walker have mastered development of material over time on the LP1, I found myself trapped in it, creating static stacks of material, unable to break out of those stacks and really get the material to move. I returned primarily to the EDP and really love getting back to that linear workflow, developing looped material over time with the SUS commands, copyLoop, multiply, unroundedMultiply, stutter, prevLoop, windowing, and so on. Such a pleasure ;)" There are so many strategies yet to employ Phil, I'm constantly using variable feedback to fade loops, multiply to increase loop lengths, and most importantly, replace to simply remove loop content while adding more. Then there are the group command controls that let you turn off loop groups as others turn on. I think one key thing that is hard for people to do with an LP-1 is avoid the temptation to fill up as many tracks as you can with content, and sure enough that becomes static very quickly, I fight that in my own loop based music. One thing you might try is confining yourself to working with just two loops, one providing a rhythmic base and the other being your harmony melody base. Try evolving the melody/ harmony track with multiply and replace functions, fading stuff out while playing new content on top. track speed etc. In other words, the more tracks you create the more balls are in the air and the more brain power is needed just to manage them all. I'm running the 1.39 software which is still buggy though fixes are in the works to correct the issue that the machine will freeze after 6 tracks of content. But the truth is I rarely want to build anything past four or five tracks anyway because it gets hard to manage all of the parts once I have it all going. I think one key feature missing from the LP-1 that seems to make EDP users happy is the insert capability, which so far I haven't found a way to mimic. But there are several multiple commands that can be set up from a single footswitch press that I have yet to explore. for example having a single foot switch press simultaneously activate overdub and multiply, which theoretically would double the loop length every time you overdub. please use safety precautions when trying this as I've yet to do so and don't know what the results would be. The LP-1 is a different beast than the EDP for sure and I can't say I have explored every possible permutation of its feature set. I can tell you this much ...some commands do not work with others, for example doubling up record and reverse on a single command does Not work unless you like super short reversed loops that sound like a hornet just took up residence in your boxer shorts. bill --Apple-Mail-5--274133796 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "While folks like Bill Walker have mastered = development of material over time on the LP1, I found myself trapped in = it, creating static stacks of material, unable to break out of those = stacks and really get  the material to move. I returned primarily = to the EDP and really love getting back to that linear workflow, = developing looped material over time with the SUS commands, copyLoop, = multiply, unroundedMultiply, stutter, prevLoop, windowing, and so on. = Such a pleasure ;)"
 bill =  
= --Apple-Mail-5--274133796-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 10 15:52:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9478D183478; Thu, 10 May 2012 15:52:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FABE437.9080601@brainticket.de> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 17:52:23 +0200 From: Andreas Berg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper for minimal music References: <4FAA8C38.8010407@brainticket.de> <92A71175-2D0A-4ACD-9216-0E27554C4BCE@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <92A71175-2D0A-4ACD-9216-0E27554C4BCE@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 15:52:31 +0000 (UTC) Thank you for all replies to my question! Yes, it's for a live setting - the software solution would be in some ways easier but for this project i'd like to have a hardware solution. But thanks for the software tips - maybe i can use it someday. I actually already had the repeater in mind but as it is rather difficult to even get one my focus went more on the "in stock" machinery. I also had the feeling when reading the manual of the repeater that - what rainer mentioned - it could be a problem to timestretch individual tracks. For the Octatrack: This device sounds very interesting. But for using it only as a looper it might be a bit oversized and the whole thing seems to be quite "menue based" for me. But i might give it a try in a musicstore. I actually like the idea of manipulating the tracks in different ways (also with effects)- does this work in realtime when the tracks are played? But i tried to clear my vision even more and i think there might be the most flexibility by using some "small" loopers or delays(?) in chain. It would be perfect if i could copy my original loop to different machines and control the speed and the pitch and the length of the tracks in realtime with knobs. But is there a unit i could do that while the track is playing? Controlling speed and pitch might not be a problem - but timestretch? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 10 16:03:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 058C0183475; Thu, 10 May 2012 16:03:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 10 May 2012 16:03:00 UTC Message-ID: <4FABD8A3.7050007@creepingfog.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 08:02:59 -0700 From: Sean Echevarria User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LOOP PEDAL FEATURE Spread Sheet proposed References: <4FAB4A22.5000203@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 16:03:00 +0000 (UTC) http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php On 2012.05.10 5:15 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Surely Pers Shreadsheet at Looproom is pretty comprehensive? > > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 1:52 PM, phillip wilson > wrote: > > funny enough , I already have a sreadsheet I used when advising > someone else. > > Repeater > EDP > Line 6 M9 > Line 6 DL4 > Boss RC20 (non xl) > > I can pass it over > > > > Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 21:54:58 -0700 > > From: looppool@cruzio.com > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Subject: LOOP PEDAL FEATURE Spread Sheet proposed > > > > > In a thread at the Loopers Delight Facebook page, I suggested > > that we start to amass a data base of feature sets of all available > > current and past looping devices that are now available either new > > or in used condition, and to post this list at > > www.livelooping.org with links sent > to all relevant looping websites > > (loopers delight.com , loopers delight at > facebook group, and any relevant > > guitar or gear sites. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 10 17:20:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1BD8183475; Thu, 10 May 2012 17:20:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 401 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 10 May 2012 17:20:21 UTC Message-ID: <20120510101114.h4e6wjkjeowwg40o@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 10:11:14 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Rick Walker Cc: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Re: LOOP PEDAL FEATURE Spread Sheet proposed References: <4FAB4A22.5000203@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4FAB4A22.5000203@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.4) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 17:20:21 +0000 (UTC) I'd suggest that this type of work be done in an online collaborative =20 environment, thru a Wiki or other CMS (wordpress, joomla, etc). This =20 is valuable information to our community, but only in it's =20 completeness and availability. -cpr Quoting Rick Walker : > In a thread at the Loopers Delight Facebook page, I suggested > that we start to amass a data base of feature sets of all available > current and past looping devices that are now available either new > or in used condition, and to post this list at > www.livelooping.org with links sent to all relevant looping websites > (loopers delight.com, loopers delight at facebook group, and any relevan= t > guitar or gear sites. > > I think we could probably pitch the printing of such a feature set > at many of the gear and instrumental magazines in print and online > ultimately and it would be a great service for newbies getting into =20 > this world > in the future. > > Simeon suggested that it would be most efficacious to use a > spread sheet styled approach which I think is a grand idea. > > Towards that end, I wanted to kick start this idea by suggesting > all the feature sets I can remember of the Electrix Repeater, Gibson EDP, > Line 6 DL-4, Line 6 M-9/13, Looperlative LP1/LP2 which are loopers > I've owned personally. > > I suggest that people make suggestions for this spread sheet > by specifically writing HARDWARE LOOPER FEATURES or SOFTWARE LOOPER FEATU= RES > in the subject line so that we can very easily collate the information. > > If people are amenable, I will start the next thread with the HARDWARE > LOOPER FEATURES > set of features. > > Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 10 20:26:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7CC1183477; Thu, 10 May 2012 20:26:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 762601720/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.18.210/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.18.210 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAMAjrE9YbRLS/2dsb2JhbAANN7c7AQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYgFu2uOCYMmBJtfjUg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,566,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="762601720" Message-ID: <4FAC246C.8090103@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 21:26:20 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LP-1? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6xmTaC.A.s6D.lRCrPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 20:26:13 +0000 (UTC) William Walker wrote: > I think one key feature missing from the LP-1 that > seems to make EDP users happy is the insert capability, which so far I > haven't found a way to mimic. You'd probably be able to knock up something similar(ish) using bounce and switching the source track on/off. I don't think Insert is very popular though, although as SUSInsert it did have it's day. The thing I miss straight-away going EDP>LP-1 is the the dedicated Record button. After that it would be loopCopy. the LP-1 Bounce is close, but it doesn't allow you to choose the destination loop. Dunnow what I miss most going back the other way. Certainly being able to reverse and HSP one track against another. > LP-1 is a different beast ..some commands do not work with others, for example doubling > up record and reverse on a single command does Not work unless you like > super short reversed loops that sound like a hornet just took up > residence in your boxer shorts.* ahem ;-) As the Reverse function ends a recording (like on EDP) that's bound to happen. (lest anyone should think this hornet to be a bug) What you need is to start Recording with plain old Rec/Dub and end it with just by hitting a dedicated Reverse switch. or change the order of those commands to Rev>Rec (I have Rev>HSP>Rec working no prob) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 10 20:48:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AF0C183463; Thu, 10 May 2012 20:48:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FAC297C.8070104@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 16:47:56 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 20:48:00 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Broekhuis, Keller, and Schonwalder. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Live @ Dorfkirche Repelen" on Manikin Records. The Focus page is at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#may In the first part of the show, BK&S will play a live set from the studios of WDIY. Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 10 21:48:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86BA9183466; Thu, 10 May 2012 21:48:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 10 May 2012 21:48:18 UTC Subject: Re: LP-1? References: From: Mark Hamburg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 14:31:03 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B176) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 21:48:19 +0000 (UTC) On May 10, 2012, at 8:13 AM, William Walker wrote: > I think one key thing that is hard for people to do with an LP-1 is avoid t= he temptation to fill up as many tracks as you can with content, and sure en= ough that becomes static very quickly, I fight that in my own loop based mus= ic. But I paid for eight tracks ergo I have to use them! ;-) This goes with the n= eed to turn on all of the pedals on the pedal board at once. I wonder whether setting up the controls to encourage more of a phrase sampl= er style would let people feel that they are using their whole investment wh= ile avoiding the static congestion of having eight loops running at once. (T= hat said, Phil has my LP-1.) > One thing you might try is confining yourself to working with just two loo= ps, one providing a rhythmic base and the other being your harmony melody ba= se. Try evolving the melody/ harmony track with multiply and replace functio= ns, fading stuff out while playing new content on top. track speed etc. This is actually how I used my pair of EDPs for quite a while. I would actua= lly keep the evolving loop one set to 0% feedback much of the time so that i= t was basically just a long delay. In my experience, I really just need thre= e feedback levels =E2=80=94 0% (long delay for self duets/canons), 100% (bas= ic loop build up), and something in between for loop evolution. Continuous p= edals are arguably overkill and less simple to control though I could see wa= nting a knob somewhere to adjust the middle value. Mark P.S. The signature sound for the LP-1 (besides the eight stereo loops at onc= e wall of sound) is almost certainly scramble. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 10 21:48:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E880318348A; Thu, 10 May 2012 21:48:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <75A75A382B3A49648752E3803C624A1B@ELUK1> In-Reply-To: <75A75A382B3A49648752E3803C624A1B@ELUK1> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Message-Id: Cc: "" X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B176) From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Little mixer and FX suggestions Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 14:38:41 -0700 To: Stephen Goodman Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 21:48:21 +0000 (UTC) On May 10, 2012, at 3:43 AM, "Stephen Goodman" wr= ote: > I=E2=80=99ve been using a Mackie 1202VLZ for around 12 years. My only com= plaint is that the two effects sends are mono... thus my Quadraverb takes up= the whole compliment if hooked up that way. It integrates with a PC setup t= hough not through optical/usb etc. Solid as a rock, though. That's been my observation on most mixers (though I think the Rane line mixe= r has a stereo send). My Mackie 1642 has extra stereo busses that can then b= e used for stereo effects but it's overkill and my "portable" rack has a 120= 2. (The 1642 is, however, one of the first pieces of equipment that I got wh= ere I found myself saying "I am so happy I got this." Guitars and effects an= d loopers and so forth all have clear and immediate returns on investment. W= ith a mixer, the benefit is generally more subtle and hence when you realize= it more significant.) What I do miss on my 1202 relative to the 1642 is the= insert on the main buss. I like using my TC Electronic M300 for both reverb= and A/D conversion and on the 1642 I can do that and still have a level con= trol before feeding my monitors. I can't do that on the 1202. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 00:56:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53E86183473; Fri, 11 May 2012 00:56:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1763950394==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120511005632.19621.73163.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 20:56:34 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: newbie wanting to know about loop peddals Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 00:56:36 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============1763950394== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello!=20Since=20I=20just=20joined=20Looper's=20Delight=20a=20few=20months= =20ago=20(and=20the=20publications's=20been=20 going=20for=20over=2015=20years),=20I=20call=20myself=20a=20newbie.=20Now,= =20I=20basically=20understand=20loop=20peddals;=20when=20 your=20foot=20is=20on=20the=20peddal,=20it=20will=20loop=20a=20sound=20that= =20was=20put=20into=20it.=20Some=20people,=20for=20multilayer=20purposes,= =20 use=20multiple=20loop-peddals.=20The=20newbie=20part=20of=20it=20is,=20how= =20much=20does=20a=20loop-peddal=20cost?=20Where=20 can=20you=20get=20a=20loop-peddal?=20How=20do=20you=20set=20one=20up?=20Any= =20special=20settings? Tyler=20Z --===============1763950394==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 04:45:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9FA1183462; Fri, 11 May 2012 04:45:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FAC996F.6050603@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 21:45:35 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mark francombe CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: LOOP PEDAL FEATURE Spread Sheet proposed References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 04:45:43 +0000 (UTC) I haven't looked at it recently, Mark, but will go there now. I imagine, since there have been several units that have been released this year already that there's always going to be new data to upload. And thanks, Phillip, send it on over: yours, Rick mark francombe wrote: > Surely Pers Shreadsheet at Looproom is pretty comprehensive? > > And Phillip Wilson wrote: > > funny enough , I already have a sreadsheet I used when advising > someone else. > > Repeater > EDP > Line 6 M9 > Line 6 DL4 > Boss RC20 (non xl) > > I can pass it over > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 04:53:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76484183473; Fri, 11 May 2012 04:53:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FAC9B35.9090905@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 21:53:09 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: LOOP PEDAL FEATURE Spread Sheet proposed References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 04:53:16 +0000 (UTC) Gosh, I don't know how I missed this great resource. Thanks Per, for doing such an wonderful job of spreadsheeting both hardware and software live loopers. Here is the URL. It took me a little while to find it on the page (at the bottom) http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php Right off the bat, I can see that it can be updated with Boss RC300, the new Pigronix looper (soon to be released) and the LP-2 mini looper. Are there other devices not mentioned here? r.w. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 05:06:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FFAA183465; Fri, 11 May 2012 05:06:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=wK2H7z/TMyaJ+3W61qifUr/X4lAnCrJiX6w+D8fpGnY=; b=dWhLkgu4KDoxmzekwc251+vVwbIDge+M5Axn9C5JBcRPFiyZojxgZaUoNHd5vMSG0v ZsB7lAq8Q1PT50N7EkBexzBgGWXtW0IrzH78rigZLomFppwU7pXnzAX5o29VFpnb7Gta DxGuIY7yandEFPXNRaAigU0eHeumFmLZW1kV/N7/CbnBLFAbQfe/9fHFPhCKIJvCfpBu 3VRoQyHwRGHGwfFD/y7B1h50QJk9NZ2mmekuXCf7WfEkki98OFjia6dqWzrDrqtzHLnh YhoQVjDTdq5lDlVVI6yGBtljJcLCA4n+vOeLN1ZoexoiRo5OviJ2/aoCSGbDSzL8ONd8 IG/g== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: LP-1? From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 22:06:03 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 05:06:08 +0000 (UTC) Mark, Bill... My LP1 work gravitated to 2-3 loops at most. With 1.39, I learned early = on that things get pretty darned brittle as you get too many tracks = spinning up... but if you keep the loop count down (and reset all every = now and then) things stay pretty stable. Even at 2 or 3 loops, I found myself, through no fault of the LP1, stuck = in whatever territory I began in. The multi-trackness of it just lent = itself to that. Bill has mastered moving through tonal centers, but I = have not yet succeeded there :) With EDP linear workflow, I find it much easier to build loops and = develop them, even through different tonal territories. And since I'm = using the Echoloop VST, I could in fact use many instances of the thing = to accomplish the "eight stereo EDP" idea... but I really feel no need, = even to have two instances.... at this point in my ongoing evolution, = one instance is plenty fun :) I will absolutely go back and do real work on the LP1 at some point. = It's a great machine, idiosyncrasies and all :) Phil :) ps Mark I agree w/r/t feedback level control in general, the CC pedal = frustrates more than helps, I do plan on making those three levels = (none, 100%, and my evolution sweetspot) available as TouchOSC buttons = at some point... On May 10, 2012, at 2:31 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > On May 10, 2012, at 8:13 AM, William Walker = wrote: >=20 >> I think one key thing that is hard for people to do with an LP-1 is = avoid the temptation to fill up as many tracks as you can with content, = and sure enough that becomes static very quickly, I fight that in my own = loop based music. >=20 > But I paid for eight tracks ergo I have to use them! ;-) This goes = with the need to turn on all of the pedals on the pedal board at once. >=20 > I wonder whether setting up the controls to encourage more of a phrase = sampler style would let people feel that they are using their whole = investment while avoiding the static congestion of having eight loops = running at once. (That said, Phil has my LP-1.) >=20 >> One thing you might try is confining yourself to working with just = two loops, one providing a rhythmic base and the other being your = harmony melody base. Try evolving the melody/ harmony track with = multiply and replace functions, fading stuff out while playing new = content on top. track speed etc. >=20 > This is actually how I used my pair of EDPs for quite a while. I would = actually keep the evolving loop one set to 0% feedback much of the time = so that it was basically just a long delay. In my experience, I really = just need three feedback levels =97 0% (long delay for self = duets/canons), 100% (basic loop build up), and something in between for = loop evolution. Continuous pedals are arguably overkill and less simple = to control though I could see wanting a knob somewhere to adjust the = middle value. >=20 > Mark >=20 > P.S. The signature sound for the LP-1 (besides the eight stereo loops = at once wall of sound) is almost certainly scramble. >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 06:13:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00CE2183473; Fri, 11 May 2012 06:13:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=NwiKvCACzJXrpml6CNjP2cSOySa2zxeW4+mIPlBM7H8=; b=vMRO5S4dKdhlZLcH8NgmDCScUbQzF0D1AgG5JpYNM56WVaRhwy6mwf/zq/lxzuY9sZ pu0sR5SUxMB8lu1H7Wz8/RmAPgjIuPgPMidQd8CQDoBxX/tH/NONhma1N+yH0CFyLLmn 1IkIqhdzIUIvZ0uKXWdHD/N/56xdZcDe6hhjW8Ty4s5qlXaJJWvnqNQFL1Mmx3xZVgi1 c696SmfgGH4yA4SYO38NzjLEbKQxHWbXnuDdMKGnY5K/fOPEyIxaiR7IYQFvKsosiWlq Lm55e7+ez7r3cb3cUJOhHzFl8ktIMfHthwBAvepJvXCa/KOdrrQ1TXy1GeNU0ES8BkkZ 3UtQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 09:13:30 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: visualizer From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopergroup Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 06:13:31 +0000 (UTC) http://www.image-line.com/documents/zgameeditorvisualizer.html Some of you might be interested? -- Petri From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 12:44:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2B7F183464; Fri, 11 May 2012 12:44:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FACFA27.8090407@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 07:38:15 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: BK&S ***TODAY*** at the Soundscapes Concert Series Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 12:44:56 +0000 (UTC) Today, Friday, May 11, the Soundscapes Concert Series returns to the Nazareth Center for the Arts with Broekhuis, Keller, and Schönwälder from Germany at 8 pm. Doors open at 7:30 pm. The NCA is located at 30 Belvidere Street, Nazareth, PA 18064 just off of Route 191 on the southwest corner of Belvidere Street and South Spruce Street. Admission is FREE. A donation is requested to pay the musicians and support the art center so that these concerts may continue. Broekhuis, Keller, and Schönwälder consists of Dutch drummer / percussionist and sound technician Bas Broekhuis, German keyboard player and sequencing specialist Detlef Keller, and German sound designer Mario Schönwälder. Since September 1994, these three can be found on stage on a regular basis having performed in France, the UK, Poland, the Netherlands, Italy, and Germany. They have a discography that includes ten albums. These three friends always have a lot of fun with their musical adventures. Broekhuis and Keller have a technical background, developing, altering, and repairing instruments and other electronic devices. They do the bulk of the programming in the band. Schönwälder is the organizational mind, taking care of album releases, concert planning, and the oh so beloved bookkeeping. The Soundscapes Concert Series is the concert companion to the Galactic Travels radio program on WDIY-FM and to Thought Radio on WMUH-FM and presents electronic music to the Lehigh Valley. This is the concert series that presented Wave World (Netherlands), Dean DeBenedictis & Vic Hennegan (California), Bernhard Wosteinrich (Germany), Robert Rich (California), vidnaObmana (Belgium), The Ministry of Inside Things (Philadelphia), Richard Lainhart (New York), Orbital Decay (Quakertown), Mark Jenkins (UK), Mikronesia (Philadelphia), The Tangent Project (Philadelphia), Technicolor Travel Agency (Poconos), and Twyndyllyngs (Lehigh Valley) to local audiences. THE SOUNDSCAPES CONCERT SERIES: http://soundscapes.us NAZARETH CENTER FOR THE ARTS: http://nazaretharts.com GALACTIC TRAVELS: http://galactictravels.info THOUGHT RADIO: http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 13:47:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53AC1183464; Fri, 11 May 2012 13:47:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_cd159250-294d-4fd0-b984-6d0a3f63bfe4_" X-Originating-IP: [87.102.15.109] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: LOOP PEDAL FEATURE Spread Sheet proposed Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 13:47:07 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4FABD8A3.7050007@creepingfog.com> References: <4FAB4A22.5000203@cruzio.com> ,<4FABD8A3.7050007@creepingfog.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 May 2012 13:47:08.0442 (UTC) FILETIME=[8EF407A0:01CD2F7C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 13:47:10 +0000 (UTC) --_cd159250-294d-4fd0-b984-6d0a3f63bfe4_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there=2C I have just looked at this document and it covers everything mine did and m= ore=2C apart from "record straight to overdub" and ebay price. nice one...which i had seen it before! Phill > Date: Thu=2C 10 May 2012 08:02:59 -0700 > From: fuckthespam@creepingfog.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: LOOP PEDAL FEATURE Spread Sheet proposed >=20 > http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php >=20 >=20 > On 2012.05.10 5:15 AM=2C mark francombe wrote: > > Surely Pers Shreadsheet at Looproom is pretty comprehensive? > > > > On Thu=2C May 10=2C 2012 at 1:52 PM=2C phillip wilson > > wrote: > > > > funny enough =2C I already have a sreadsheet I used when advising > > someone else. > > > > Repeater > > EDP > > Line 6 M9 > > Line 6 DL4 > > Boss RC20 (non xl) > > > > I can pass it over > > > > > > > Date: Wed=2C 9 May 2012 21:54:58 -0700 > > > From: looppool@cruzio.com > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > > Subject: LOOP PEDAL FEATURE Spread Sheet proposed > > > > > > > > In a thread at the Loopers Delight Facebook page=2C I suggested > > > that we start to amass a data base of feature sets of all availa= ble > > > current and past looping devices that are now available either n= ew > > > or in used condition=2C and to post this list at > > > www.livelooping.org with links sent > > to all relevant looping websites > > > (loopers delight.com =2C loopers delight at > > facebook group=2C and any relevant > > > guitar or gear sites. > > > >=20 = --_cd159250-294d-4fd0-b984-6d0a3f63bfe4_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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= --_cd159250-294d-4fd0-b984-6d0a3f63bfe4_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 14:25:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6D10183460; Fri, 11 May 2012 14:25:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_2964c0c9-d1e5-4846-8514-7f125f6ebb79_" X-Originating-IP: [217.92.188.169] From: Sergio G Sender: To: Subject: Bought it! Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 14:25:10 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 May 2012 14:25:09.0413 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE849550:01CD2F81] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 14:25:10 +0000 (UTC) --_2964c0c9-d1e5-4846-8514-7f125f6ebb79_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok=2C I did it. I bought a Boomerang III plus Side Car from USA. Total price including ship= ping and import taxes should be as buying only the Rang here.:) Now the mixer.I am following some auctions in internet.Soundcraft=2C Mackie= =2C and Yamaha.We'll see. I hope I will be able to produce something interesting soon. I'll let you know!!! Bye! = --_2964c0c9-d1e5-4846-8514-7f125f6ebb79_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok=2C I did it.

I bought a Boomerang III plus Side Car f= rom USA. Total price including shipping and import taxes should be as buyin= g only the Rang here.
:)

Now the mixer.<= /div>
I am following some auctions in internet.
Soundcraft=2C= Mackie=2C and Yamaha.
We'll see.

I hope= I will be able to produce something interesting soon.

=
I'll let you know!!!

Bye!
= --_2964c0c9-d1e5-4846-8514-7f125f6ebb79_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 14:40:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA38C183462; Fri, 11 May 2012 14:40:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vzgIP/zlyneSl94vvHEN7LCNEFA/qXppF/4gmNMF/To=; b=IDuSpGjO96ycuQHti3Oxnk18s4fF0zInb/kk4NaJDVU/WEoOtJbrdc2Xt52ma4bGsd P8U5QbX0VSnyHQ0iUgkLlevdR7dDJT82qpSmNAuQ/IZf5ntsijhHKb1Kjfb4iI5QSXcH YfJzBipX60FxB0zxLa/xA+vRowp9VXzEP9AQnkgvbDW1nq2TBWs3CtduaEtdlWphVPjv O48QVHOJRQis38KtU9Iu1GPB2xPYLSOC4r/cTT+M7SfShUCEVOa+1KzYn3hXxDtEABB6 AQvNOGr5a7Z/P4ASz3uIPxBq97RgDAduMubjvSqTmbyLXV4CBXzZWutlQN+CrsV1m2NC YkhQ== Message-ID: <4FAD24DB.2080205@googlemail.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 16:40:27 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LP-1? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 14:40:32 +0000 (UTC) Phil Clevenger schrieb: > Mark, Bill... > > My LP1 work gravitated to 2-3 loops at most. With 1.39, I learned early on that things get pretty darned brittle as you get too many tracks spinning up... but if you keep the loop count down (and reset all every now and then) things stay pretty stable. > > Even at 2 or 3 loops, I found myself, through no fault of the LP1, stuck in whatever territory I began in. The multi-trackness of it just lent itself to that. Bill has mastered moving through tonal centers, but I have not yet succeeded there :) > Hi Phil, generally, having more than the 2-3 loops you mention is a challenge, if they are loops in the typical sense (i.e. with a full-blown part). There's a reason Bach didn't write that many eight-voice fugues ;). For me, a lot of tracks really work well either if not all of them sound at once (thus doing something that you also could do with multiple loops on fewer tracks, but for me is simpler to grasp), or by using extremely sparse tracks. If you have another long, out-of-sync track which only contains a few notes - that can add an interesting spice to the overall picture. As for leaving the territory you're started in - use of variable feedback (both of the "normal looper type" and of what is primary feedback in EDP terms) works well for me here. Especially with primary feedback, things simply start to vanish, and you're forced to do something else... Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 14:44:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79C74183473; Fri, 11 May 2012 14:44:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_4103ef58-ae36-469a-9a26-550e13e9611f_" X-Originating-IP: [62.7.183.6] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Bought it! Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 14:44:09 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 May 2012 14:44:10.0144 (UTC) FILETIME=[86725200:01CD2F84] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 14:44:11 +0000 (UTC) --_4103ef58-ae36-469a-9a26-550e13e9611f_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yey! Good luck! Peace g Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk From: simpliflying@gmail.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Bought it! Date: Fri=2C 11 May 2012 14:25:10 +0000 Ok=2C I did it. I bought a Boomerang III plus Side Car from USA. Total price including ship= ping and import taxes should be as buying only the Rang here.:) Now the mixer.I am following some auctions in internet.Soundcraft=2C Mackie= =2C and Yamaha.We'll see. I hope I will be able to produce something interesting soon. I'll let you know!!! Bye! = --_4103ef58-ae36-469a-9a26-550e13e9611f_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yey! =3B
Good luck!

Peace

g

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

From: simpliflying@gmai= l.com
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Bought it!
= Date: Fri=2C 11 May 2012 14:25:10 +0000

Ok=2C I did it.

I bought a Boomerang III plus Side Car f= rom USA. Total price including shipping and import taxes should be as buyin= g only the Rang here.
:)

Now the mixer.<= /div>
I am following some auctions in internet.
Soundcraft=2C= Mackie=2C and Yamaha.
We'll see.

I hope= I will be able to produce something interesting soon.

=
I'll let you know!!!

Bye!
= --_4103ef58-ae36-469a-9a26-550e13e9611f_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 14:50:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FDAC18345D; Fri, 11 May 2012 14:50:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bought it! In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: michael klobuchar X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CEFD9C95004F9A_1550_5ABC5_webmail-stg-m03.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36081-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CEFD9C94ED4482-1550-15B5F@webmail-stg-m03.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [151.201.15.15] Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 10:50:46 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336747846; bh=hw77F74A8HLK2DRunmipf5KInGe/+EpksEC5IRGnR2s=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=S80YMaH0vZtozxLCbmuZjY76IxgQu/mUzDFH2P76AKoDe8CzU6xmtS5iHl4KcYuWl IUidV68SiJ6aGwnhubh3ZqnMUbpnbZxX0ehBM55Tt5DvTpJv77fBWreCZMBaTFih1/ Ei0jBoKeKO8/7/5H2jZbdc+b2gwpXphS4I8yIMMM= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:419592864:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290c4fad274624e7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 14:50:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CEFD9C95004F9A_1550_5ABC5_webmail-stg-m03.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" you go big nut!!!!.....i predict mucho fun in your future.....congrats! RANG III, xcellent choice for a FIRST LOOPER, you will want II:more and more and more and more:II..... -----Original Message----- From: Sergio G To: loopers-delight Sent: Fri, May 11, 2012 10:25 am Subject: Bought it! Ok, I did it. I bought a Boomerang III plus Side Car from USA. Total price including ship= ping and import taxes should be as buying only the Rang here. :) Now the mixer. I am following some auctions in internet. Soundcraft, Mackie, and Yamaha. We'll see. I hope I will be able to produce something interesting soon. I'll let you know!!! Bye! =09=09 =09 =09=09 =20 =20 ----------MB_8CEFD9C95004F9A_1550_5ABC5_webmail-stg-m03.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" you go big nut!!!!.....i predict mu= cho fun in your future.....congrats!

RANG III, xcellent choice = for a FIRST LOOPER, you will want II:more and

more and more and more:II.= ....


Ok, I did it.

I bought a Boomerang III plus Side Car from USA. Total price including= shipping and import taxes should be as buying only the Rang here.
:)

Now the mixer.
I am following some auctions in internet.
Soundcraft, Mackie, and Yamaha.
We'll see.

I hope I will be able to produce something interesting soon.

I'll let you know!!!

Bye!
=09=09 =09 =09=09
----------MB_8CEFD9C95004F9A_1550_5ABC5_webmail-stg-m03.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 15:03:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D46B183464; Fri, 11 May 2012 15:03:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <08FFD0E7-5CFE-470F-BAE7-088513BDAF97@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-23--188343852 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: LP-1? Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 08:03:45 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <5ah6IB.A.3gG.YpSrPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 15:03:52 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-23--188343852 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ahem ;-) As the Reverse function ends a recording (like on EDP) that's bound to happen. (lest anyone should think this hornet to be a bug) Well yes I figured that out:-) but when I was first experimenting with multiple single press commands I was trying all kinds of kooky things, and I have used bounce in the way you described, to create loops that either elongate or condense. and i told Bob that when the fixes get implemented I would like not only to be able to have my bounce information switch to the next highest track rather than starting on 8 and working backwards. I would like to have individual track quantize step information be storable as presets so that I could easily switch from a preset where all 8 tracks are set to the same quantize step beat division and I could go to another preset where all a tracks are set to another quantize step beat division. I would love that capability. >> " Continuous pedals are arguably overkill and less simple to >> control though I could see wanting a knob somewhere to adjust the >> middle value." Whaa???? even an archaic piece fo gear like the EDP (just kidding) can benefit greatly from a variable expression pedal. I am completely tied to using these for many applications , but its much more easy to control loop fades manually in this way, erase sections of a loop,and also edit mistakes with more pinpoint accuracy simply by quickly rocking the pedal back to 0% over the offending note and then bring it quickly back to 100%. Another interesting effect that can be achieved is massive deep tremolo effects. I'll create a track of over dubbed drone notes and the jerk my expression pedal back and forth in tempo to create radical trem sounds or choppy glitchy deconstruction's of the loop. I know I've spewed about this before, but if you have a device with cc control you are missing out on a lot of versatility by not using it. expression pedals ad to your , er, a ,well... Expression! Bill --Apple-Mail-23--188343852 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ahem ;-)
As the Reverse function ends a recording = (like on EDP) that's bound to happen.
(lest anyone should think this = hornet to be a bug)

 Well yes I figured = that out:-) but when I was first experimenting with multiple single = press commands I was trying all kinds of kooky things, and I have used = bounce in the way you described, to create loops that either elongate or = condense.  and i told Bob that  when the fixes get implemented = I would like not only to be able to have my bounce information switch to = the next highest track rather than starting on 8 and working backwards. = I would like to have individual track quantize step information be = storable as  presets so that I could easily switch from a preset = where all 8 tracks are set to the same quantize step beat division and I = could go to another preset where all a tracks are set to another = quantize step beat division. I would love that = capability.

" Continuous pedals are arguably overkill and less = simple to control though I could see wanting a knob somewhere to adjust = the middle value."

Whaa???? = even an archaic piece fo gear like the EDP (just kidding)  can = benefit greatly from a variable expression pedal. I am completely tied = to using these for many applications , but its much more easy to control = loop fades manually in this way, erase sections of a loop,and also edit = mistakes with more pinpoint accuracy simply by quickly rocking the pedal = back to 0% over the offending note and then bring it quickly back to = 100%. Another interesting effect that can be achieved is massive deep = tremolo effects. I'll create a track of over dubbed drone notes and the = jerk my expression pedal back and forth in tempo to create radical trem = sounds or choppy glitchy  deconstruction's of the loop. I know I've = spewed about this before, but if you have a device with cc control you = are missing out on a lot of versatility by not using it. expression = pedals ad to your , er, a ,well... = Expression!

Bill


= --Apple-Mail-23--188343852-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 15:18:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A585183464; Fri, 11 May 2012 15:18:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_5e614af5-03ea-48f1-a698-bfd73b1a46f3_" X-Originating-IP: [217.92.188.169] From: Sergio G Sender: To: Subject: RE: Bought it! Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 15:18:40 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8CEFD9C94ED4482-1550-15B5F@webmail-stg-m03.sysops.aol.com> References: ,<8CEFD9C94ED4482-1550-15B5F@webmail-stg-m03.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 May 2012 15:18:41.0135 (UTC) FILETIME=[58DA77F0:01CD2F89] Resent-Message-ID: <2vTzmB.A.3vG.R3SrPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 15:18:42 +0000 (UTC) --_5e614af5-03ea-48f1-a698-bfd73b1a46f3_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well=2C I actually suggested to Mike that it would be nice to have special = features available for chained Rang III.Many wonderful things could be done= .But for now I will just having fun with it and with the other tools I am b= uying.I'm getting serious on this of making music.Finally=2C after so many = years of doing things I do not love=2C I will do the only one I always felt= love for and never did! Silly me. But it is never too late. :) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bought it! From: nemoguitt@aol.com Date: Fri=2C 11 May 2012 10:50:46 -0400 you go big nut!!!!.....i predict mucho fun in your future.....congrats! RANG III=2C xcellent choice for a FIRST LOOPER=2C you will want II:more and more and more and more:II...... -----Original Message----- From: Sergio G To: loopers-delight Sent: Fri=2C May 11=2C 2012 10:25 am Subject: Bought it! Ok=2C I did it. I bought a Boomerang III plus Side Car from USA. Total price including ship= ping and import taxes should be as buying only the Rang here. :) Now the mixer. I am following some auctions in internet. Soundcraft=2C Mackie=2C and Yamaha. We'll see. I hope I will be able to produce something interesting soon. I'll let you know!!! Bye! =20 =20 = --_5e614af5-03ea-48f1-a698-bfd73b1a46f3_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well=2C I actually suggested to Mike that it would be nice to have special = features available for chained Rang III.
Many wonderful things could be= done.
But for now I will just having fun with it and with the ot= her tools I am buying.
I'm getting serious on this of making musi= c.
Finally=2C after so many years of doing things I do not love= =2C I will do the only one I always felt love for and never did! Silly me. = But it is never too late. :)

To: Loopers-Delight@loop= ers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Bought it!
From: nemoguitt@aol.com
Da= te: Fri=2C 11 May 2012 10:50:46 -0400

you go big nut!!!!.....i predict mucho fun in your future.= ....congrats!

RANG III=2C xcellent ch= oice for a FIRST LOOPER=2C you will want II:more and

more and more and more:= II......


-----Original Message-----
From: Sergio G <=3Bsimpliflying@gmail.com>=3B
To: loopers-delight <=3Bloopers-delight@loopers-delight.com>=3B
Sent: Fri=2C May 11=2C 2012 10:25 am
Subject: Bought it!

Ok=2C I did it.

I bought a Boomerang III plus Side Car from USA. Total price including= shipping and import taxes should be as buying only the Rang here.
:)

Now the mixer.
I am following some auctions in internet.
Soundcraft=2C Mackie=2C and Yamaha.
We'll see.

I hope I will be able to produce something interesting soon.

I'll let you know!!!

Bye!
=20
= --_5e614af5-03ea-48f1-a698-bfd73b1a46f3_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 15:21:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47C78183465; Fri, 11 May 2012 15:21:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 16:21:41 +0100 From: Philip Conway To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping and Mixing/Mixing Loops Message-ID: <6AFDFA3EB679F71D204B6C92@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> Originator-Info: login-token=Mulberry:01CaemmnkK3swH2uwDSn4LCwhI1RX9N3nUGQxK1g4CP3zVB/0CHRc=; token_authority=mailto:postmaster@bristol.ac.uk X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 15:21:44 +0000 (UTC) Hello all, Some recent discussion on the list (when not heatedly debating Youtube sensations, of course) has focused not just on looping but also on recording and mixing generally. That there is a high level of expertise on these subjects in the LD community is perhaps not surprising but it raises some questions in my mind about the relationship between looping and recording/mixing. Since we're generally talking about LIVE looping then many of the practices of recording musicians just don't apply - for example, we don't do take after take trying to make things perfect, we work with the imperfections inherent in performance, etc. And yet, on the other hand, ultimately what we're doing is recording and combining multiple layers of audio and so many principles of 'non-real time' recording and mixing are very important. For example, I use a laptop, an Apogee Duet and Mobius hosted in Ableton Live to loop my guitar. One problem I've struggled with is how to set up an appropriate gain structure to keep the noise floor low (very important if you're using single coils!) while not clipping the inputs or eating up headroom in the software too quickly, using up space for further loops. With an instrument like an electric guitar that has a large dynamic range and can fill up the audio spectrum quite quickly I've found that compression, limiting and EQ are as essential to my setup as anything else. But enough about me! What's your experience with this relationship? Do you 'mix' your loops as you go or simply adjust your technique to achieve a range of sounds? Do you anticipate the needs of the audio you're about to record or tweak things as you go? Do you find that lessons learned in mixing recorded music inform your looping (or vice versa)? Am I just over-thinking the grand old art of the loop? Regards, Philip. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 16:30:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E10FC18345B; Fri, 11 May 2012 16:30:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qAFzLguPIJvnIAm6j0K8iXTyuuYt/VaxzoJbYk3/iNY=; b=r7wdEip7crjNh2Y6Au9rGR1MIVY5BnB7TdNWH+nibBaLKtfeu0bTQTV56coqOGgsPn CkpJKs+Ar5YrSuP8D52DZTrQJ2HS1WSj9ciJEu8Dpa+s4ZXQbIEmMn5D0AjZ8r/1yJxM bq+fX4DB5PYtHbbV0faCjCA9TLIZRCe6ugiQLo7yzWQJdUXnBGgu0NwMZ6+PgvnI8TLq /3dJf7XThrq/fTF5UO+96B3v0778y4ujL/oZJleYMLeJ3/F1UJO+R97DBWX1wg5s3w0x 89tGJIhEwPgmbPH46QPrgjMH3ZStU/HYfYC4hV4V9+gQWnP17wO+6KDvGgu6ruMDwt9j OXZA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6AFDFA3EB679F71D204B6C92@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> References: <6AFDFA3EB679F71D204B6C92@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 18:30:33 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looping and Mixing/Mixing Loops From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 16:30:33 +0000 (UTC) Highly relevant thoughts, Philip! Mixing and live looping is closely related, but still very different in praxis. My concept for live looping is what I use to call "the musician concept". For sound design I use what I call "the reverse engineered mixing technique". What I mean with this is that I apply everything to my live instrument input sound that you in a mixing situation would apply to each of the tracks to be mixed. EQ, effects, compression, even effect loops with the return channel side-chained by the live input (my instrument). Many effects are quite subtle and dynamic processing often synced to the looping tempo. The theory is to make your instrument sound in a way that works well for layering. I typically do all this to my instrument signal PRE loop, so every layer I overdub into a loop may have different effects in order to blend well as a multi layered loop. There is also different concept for live looping that I use to call "the re-remix concept". Many Ableton Live users fancy this concept because Live allows you to treat separate parallel loops individually; running each looper channel through its own mixer channel. This is exactly how you do when mixing and you can achieve sonic perfection. One records loops at different channels and then apply effects and processing POST loop. My problem with this method is that it takes quite a lot of time to get it to sound good any by the birth of your masterpiece the audience might have gone home. An important aspect of my "musician concept" is that when looping the already perfected sound into just one or a few loops you are keeping all options at hand for drastic rearranging on-the-fly as you perform. For example, it is much easier to keep the show going when putting one multi part loop into half-speed compared to putting five separate parts loops into half-speed. Of course, with my musician's concept reverse-engineered mixing technique your strategy is crucial. It is possible to paint yourself stuck into a corner. When that happens the only way out is to kick Global Reset and start over from square one - if done as one move while the music is going the audience will just hear it as a break-down section or similar. Most important for my performance strategy is to instantly tag musical parts to decide what kind of loop I'll layer them into. These are the types of loops I have chosen to work with: 1. Tonal loops that can be speed shifted, in order to create chord changes, without too much rhythmic hassle. Often pad type sounding. If using a polyphonic instrument I can create such a loop by just playing a chord and record it, but if using a monophonic instrument I use to overdub many notes to form a chord. 2. Atonal loops with percussive content. These loops are not being speed shifted when I improvise chord changes by speed shifting a type #1 loop. 3. Loops created for the purpose of poly rhythmic interaction with another loop. Such a loop plays by a different length than the one it plays against. The above is the corner stones of my instant composing technique. As for the noise issue you brought up I'm all for shutting up when not playing and muting the input between played notes. On my Stratocaster I play with the volume knob. You can mute between fourth notes using the pinky on that knob. When using wind instruments and a mic I have a volume pedal directly after the mic to mute the leaking PA sound from getting into the loops. I even use this volume pedal for note attack sometimes, when playing heavily distorted flute it is a must and part of the instrument. When playing an instrument with several audio signals I always keep all inputs going plus all effect returns going to the looper, following the what-you-hear-is-what-you-loop routine. Everything in my live looping rig is set up for instant performance access. Everything is PRE looper. The stereo looper output is totally dry, just with a little compression added to make it groove better. The reverb and delay effects heard are all recorded into loops. This makes it possible for me to apply drastic on-the-fly cutting to the full mix, I can play the mix instantly like you play an instrument, that's why I call it "a musician based concept". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Philip Conway wrote: > Hello all, > > > Some recent discussion on the list (when not heatedly debating Youtube > sensations, of course) has focused not just on looping but also on record= ing > and mixing generally. =C2=A0That there is a high level of expertise on th= ese > subjects in the LD community is perhaps not surprising but it raises some > questions in my mind about the relationship between looping and > recording/mixing. > > Since we're generally talking about LIVE looping then many of the practic= es > of recording musicians just don't apply - for example, we don't do take > after take trying to make things perfect, we work with the imperfections > inherent in performance, etc. =C2=A0And yet, on the other hand, ultimatel= y what > we're doing is recording and combining multiple layers of audio and so ma= ny > principles of 'non-real time' recording and mixing are very important. > > For example, I use a laptop, an Apogee Duet and Mobius hosted in Ableton > Live to loop my guitar. =C2=A0One problem I've struggled with is how to s= et up an > appropriate gain structure to keep the noise floor low (very important if > you're using single coils!) while not clipping the inputs or eating up > headroom in the software too quickly, using up space for further loops. > > With an instrument like an electric guitar that has a large dynamic range > and can fill up the audio spectrum quite quickly I've found that > compression, limiting and EQ are as essential to my setup as anything els= e. > > But enough about me! > > What's your experience with this relationship? > > Do you 'mix' your loops as you go or simply adjust your technique to achi= eve > a range of sounds? > > Do you anticipate the needs of the audio you're about to record or tweak > things as you go? > > Do you find that lessons learned in mixing recorded music inform your > looping (or vice versa)? > > Am I just over-thinking the grand old art of the loop? > > > > Regards, > > > Philip. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 16:48:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3DD6183473; Fri, 11 May 2012 16:48:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=R4p/uZmLbyk/iOt4HPZzg7a3cjVDfaA9SuvIH9K7lKM=; b=yc879uULtEhhkz54O6m8g+5bRKUKguPZogvkAvtcJKt/fFBwwOB1rBaIvMAOrPhmPH AanXhw6vcRsuJijfYa1S00Hnt1VEfpuBAmOVrNEjYdOyTqOLWWHY9CQ8rjMJqMjx3YJS 4RaVu7b102LPNa1zcqgWbK4LXvYpSlhBCDyV+Rmce0Y7I6wzTOa5xWbzfVynV8skwdwt Cb39X6U2L1OjlXIz/a1hw+tZ4fJ0MLJfcd1HJXh7b995OFkWj9UrZ8PGziiOE3VsFlMW KhjOzDzAiOIeCszdkXidbKvseb/Zn2MJ0EuV9rPMrzcdKSPftjbCpPTpYRJkgKI30F0M 4oYg== From: Phil Clevenger Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-28--182051654 Subject: Re: LP-1? Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 09:48:37 -0700 In-Reply-To: <08FFD0E7-5CFE-470F-BAE7-088513BDAF97@baymoon.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <08FFD0E7-5CFE-470F-BAE7-088513BDAF97@baymoon.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 16:48:42 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-28--182051654 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On May 11, 2012, at 8:03 AM, William Walker wrote: > I would like not only to be able to have my bounce information switch = to the next highest track rather than starting on 8 and working = backwards. I would like to have individual track quantize step = information be storable as presets so that I could easily switch from a = preset where all 8 tracks are set to the same quantize step beat = division and I could go to another preset where all a tracks are set to = another quantize step beat division. Hear hear != --Apple-Mail-28--182051654 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I would like = not only to be able to have my bounce information switch to the next = highest track rather than starting on 8 and working backwards. I would = like to have individual track quantize step information be storable as =  presets so that I could easily switch from a preset where all 8 = tracks are set to the same quantize step beat division and I could go to = another preset where all a tracks are set to another quantize step beat = division.


Hear hear = !
= --Apple-Mail-28--182051654-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 18:41:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4907183463; Fri, 11 May 2012 18:41:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=jbXKHIkV87RrYARmL2unGDdK1+eXNy3z4xKAlkLTQiY=; b=DHf1aViIML2x6VJ8sEx5EFg3bltMqrb8SNtpki8I+szJxZl5LzAmDZjD3rsHALkaPz SqaM/LuAGxyIsMfsjZBjMzUokdWLpLq0m0pUaufQdkEg3RWdjT8pgy/W0JEEAPT//7nH IE30Il8yP9yLgdUMM54BvMERN/qo48gPKLoFcnM55LvFp+xviRZdk20t3/TF/acyWBOw Oak0c4A7JmKV1GvGhK0+kbYLsnALvHAC/tCHl/R+scING1GMfLIab5bTa26XjhO5UR98 Sm5Dc+Hn5g6Ai8BcBgeHxodiQmUrdzLd6hQ/mpF9DGn740IBFPYv6MEiLnr5uXr7fUlY ExnQ== Message-ID: <4FAD5D51.5070807@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 20:41:21 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBXaWVybm93b2xza2k=?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120430 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LOOP PEDAL FEATURE Spread Sheet proposed References: <4FAC9B35.9090905@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4FAC9B35.9090905@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <1v4lyD.A.4TB.X1VrPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 18:41:27 +0000 (UTC) Per's chart is really excellent. It contains a very good feature selection and valuable comments for particular cases (all those 'yes, but'). Quite obviously it gets outdated as new hardware/software emerges. I have the impression there is almost too much to cover to keep the chart convenient, as beyond dedicated loopers (Vox VDL-1, Line 6 JM4 Looper, Akai E1/E2 Head rush) there are many devices with thrown in looper (TC Helicon VoiceLive Touch, Boss GT-10, Casio XW-G1, Vox DelayLab, Pigtronix Echolution, Digitech TimeBender, Strymon TimeLine, Roland MC-09, Korg Kaossilator Pro, and many more). Moreover any delay unit with enough delay time (4 seconds?) can be practically used as a looper. Despite this I encourage you Per to update this, let me repeat it (!), excellent chart. As for the chart page I miss a bit glossary which could be useful not only for newbies, with categories like: "Basic functions" - Overdub, Undo/Redo, Feedback,... "Playback control" - Reverse, Half-speed, Retrigger,... "Advanced loop-fx" - Multiply,Time stretch, Replace, Scramble,... (loop manipulation that is _practically_ possible only within the looper) "Sync", etc. Regards, Michał > Gosh, I don't know how I missed this great resource. > > Thanks Per, for doing such an wonderful job > of spreadsheeting both hardware and software > live loopers. > > Here is the URL. It took me a little while to find it on the page > (at the bottom) > > http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php > > Right off the bat, I can see that it can be updated with > > Boss RC300, the new Pigronix looper (soon to be released) and the LP-2 > mini looper. > > Are there other devices not mentioned here? > > r.w. > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 19:14:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 501CF183464; Fri, 11 May 2012 19:14:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: LP-1? References: <08FFD0E7-5CFE-470F-BAE7-088513BDAF97@baymoon.com> From: Mark Hamburg Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <08FFD0E7-5CFE-470F-BAE7-088513BDAF97@baymoon.com> Message-Id: Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 12:00:45 -0700 Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B176) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 19:14:52 +0000 (UTC) On May 11, 2012, at 8:03 AM, William Walker wrote: >>> " Continuous pedals are arguably overkill and less simple to control tho= ugh I could see wanting a knob somewhere to adjust the middle value." >=20 > Whaa???? even an archaic piece fo gear like the EDP (just kidding) can be= nefit greatly from a variable expression pedal. I am completely tied to usin= g these for many applications , but its much more easy to control loop fades= manually in this way, erase sections of a loop,and also edit mistakes with m= ore pinpoint accuracy simply by quickly rocking the pedal back to 0% over th= e offending note and then bring it quickly back to 100%. Another interesting= effect that can be achieved is massive deep tremolo effects. I'll create a t= rack of over dubbed drone notes and the jerk my expression pedal back and fo= rth in tempo to create radical trem sounds or choppy glitchy deconstruction= 's of the loop. I know I've spewed about this before, but if you have a devi= ce with cc control you are missing out on a lot of versatility by not using i= t. expression pedals ad to your , er, a ,well... Expression! I think this is more about the difficulty depending on the expression pedal o= f hitting useful intermediate values. For moving between 0% and 100% they ar= e great. And this could certainly vary with the pedal. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 19:28:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C697183460; Fri, 11 May 2012 19:28:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 760623921/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.25.139/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.25.139 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAM1nrU9YbRmL/2dsb2JhbAANN4V5sQUBAQEDASMVQAYLCxoCBRYLAgIJAwIBAgFFHAGIBahbkmSBL4xfgg6BGASbX41I X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,572,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="760623921" Message-ID: <4FAD684B.8000508@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 20:28:11 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LP-1? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 19:28:06 +0000 (UTC) Mark Hamburg wrote: > I wonder whether setting up the controls to encourage more of a phrase sampler style would let people feel Certainly some example setups would help for getting into the LP-1. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 11 19:37:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 323E2183464; Fri, 11 May 2012 19:37:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 772743374/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.25.139/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.25.139 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBACtqrU9YbRmL/2dsb2JhbAANN7Z+AQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYgFuz+ODoMmBJtfjUg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,572,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="772743374" Message-ID: <4FAD6A8F.9070003@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 20:37:51 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LP-1? References: <08FFD0E7-5CFE-470F-BAE7-088513BDAF97@baymoon.com> In-Reply-To: <08FFD0E7-5CFE-470F-BAE7-088513BDAF97@baymoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <11c_.A.RCC.SqWrPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 19:37:55 +0000 (UTC) William Walker wrote: > and i told Bob that when the fixes get > implemented I would like not only to be able to have my bounce > information switch to the next highest track rather than starting on 8 > and working backwards. Odd, I was just thinking about that. Doesn't need a software chance at all, just a technique change. Simply start by using loop 8,7,6 rather than loop 1,2,3. More important is that the loop resulting from the bounce needs to become the selected loop. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 06:03:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FD4D183464; Sat, 12 May 2012 06:03:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=vgVThcgzA+9rbOAXK3w9IQwojZGLqHQgQcfadxbBdcw=; b=rT+OCC+5yrimkFjr5xVebBEKIg2FTCxAxI0saHwCP0ar02DcE+9BEygwEPn/pUas8V JLBItBR0n+m3xxF2+LD/ncQqASSS838vqN08sHqGAeh7VBzSNNHX3AYF4JEuZwcus5gk T6OMmxLeso5Qcy+stEXwJ460OHSeG+X+fYOCZ83Kda8no7GC/fkOsWtrgfEwi+s89d7l iWbOxj+96jk/XTWl2y51aE3hzcrcH9satLRcATASlv86ryIW3GFPUL3hZ8XweFEXA+Vm XgXBgYbwTU8De0SZ/0LcOa/Kqm6kg4i3xuYanCnuKfBV+2CXUn82Ojp3uQlxTdKGv6UM 3GHw== Subject: Re: Looping and Mixing/Mixing Loops References: <6AFDFA3EB679F71D204B6C92@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> From: Gmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <53377C04-FA61-4A3E-9E49-5098B977D0B9@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 23:03:14 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 06:03:23 +0000 (UTC) I'm loving this topic! This was one of my biggest issues when i first starte= d looping about a year ago. I loop with FL studio hosting mobius. I have a c= ontinuous project/setup that I work on. Basically all of my software instrum= ents are what I call prEQ'd. Each track first sends from the plugin to track= in FL Studio. The EQ effects and other pre-effects are applied in these tra= cks. I call them the input tracks. The audio output of these channels is lin= ked to the audio input of mobius which is then recorded and looped. Mobius p= lays what I call "dry loops" because even though the instruments were record= ed with pre-mobius effects, the effects are there to make the instrument sou= nd the way its supposed to as if there were no effects to it. Then the audio= output of the mobius tracks are linked directly back into a separate set of= FL studio tracks that I call the ouput. Each output track one has an instru= ment-specific effect that is post-mobius. Therefore I can modulate the playi= ng loops with things like high cut filters, low cut filters and etc. Then al= l of out put tracks are linked into one, main FX track. With this track i ca= n modulate effects onto the entire output of the audio. For example I have e= very instrument sound looping at once; I can turn up reverb on the Main FX c= hannel and this reverb will apply to every instrument. Kaylon On May 11, 2012, at 9:30 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Highly relevant thoughts, Philip! Mixing and live looping is closely > related, but still very different in praxis. >=20 > My concept for live looping is what I use to call "the musician > concept". For sound design I use what I call "the reverse engineered > mixing technique". What I mean with this is that I apply everything to > my live instrument input sound that you in a mixing situation would > apply to each of the tracks to be mixed. EQ, effects, compression, > even effect loops with the return channel side-chained by the live > input (my instrument). Many effects are quite subtle and dynamic > processing often synced to the looping tempo. The theory is to make > your instrument sound in a way that works well for layering. I > typically do all this to my instrument signal PRE loop, so every layer > I overdub into a loop may have different effects in order to blend > well as a multi layered loop. >=20 > There is also different concept for live looping that I use to call > "the re-remix concept". Many Ableton Live users fancy this concept > because Live allows you to treat separate parallel loops individually; > running each looper channel through its own mixer channel. This is > exactly how you do when mixing and you can achieve sonic perfection. > One records loops at different channels and then apply effects and > processing POST loop. My problem with this method is that it takes > quite a lot of time to get it to sound good any by the birth of your > masterpiece the audience might have gone home. >=20 > An important aspect of my "musician concept" is that when looping the > already perfected sound into just one or a few loops you are keeping > all options at hand for drastic rearranging on-the-fly as you perform. > For example, it is much easier to keep the show going when putting one > multi part loop into half-speed compared to putting five separate > parts loops into half-speed. >=20 > Of course, with my musician's concept reverse-engineered mixing > technique your strategy is crucial. It is possible to paint yourself > stuck into a corner. When that happens the only way out is to kick > Global Reset and start over from square one - if done as one move > while the music is going the audience will just hear it as a > break-down section or similar. Most important for my performance > strategy is to instantly tag musical parts to decide what kind of loop > I'll layer them into. These are the types of loops I have chosen to > work with: >=20 > 1. Tonal loops that can be speed shifted, in order to create chord > changes, without too much rhythmic hassle. Often pad type sounding. If > using a polyphonic instrument I can create such a loop by just playing > a chord and record it, but if using a monophonic instrument I use to > overdub many notes to form a chord. >=20 > 2. Atonal loops with percussive content. These loops are not being > speed shifted when I improvise chord changes by speed shifting a type > #1 loop. >=20 > 3. Loops created for the purpose of poly rhythmic interaction with > another loop. Such a loop plays by a different length than the one it > plays against. >=20 > The above is the corner stones of my instant composing technique. >=20 > As for the noise issue you brought up I'm all for shutting up when not > playing and muting the input between played notes. On my Stratocaster > I play with the volume knob. You can mute between fourth notes using > the pinky on that knob. When using wind instruments and a mic I have a > volume pedal directly after the mic to mute the leaking PA sound from > getting into the loops. I even use this volume pedal for note attack > sometimes, when playing heavily distorted flute it is a must and part > of the instrument. >=20 > When playing an instrument with several audio signals I always keep > all inputs going plus all effect returns going to the looper, > following the what-you-hear-is-what-you-loop routine. Everything in my > live looping rig is set up for instant performance access. Everything > is PRE looper. The stereo looper output is totally dry, just with a > little compression added to make it groove better. The reverb and > delay effects heard are all recorded into loops. This makes it > possible for me to apply drastic on-the-fly cutting to the full mix, I > can play the mix instantly like you play an instrument, that's why I > call it "a musician based concept". >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 > On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Philip Conway > wrote: >> Hello all, >>=20 >>=20 >> Some recent discussion on the list (when not heatedly debating Youtube >> sensations, of course) has focused not just on looping but also on record= ing >> and mixing generally. That there is a high level of expertise on these >> subjects in the LD community is perhaps not surprising but it raises some= >> questions in my mind about the relationship between looping and >> recording/mixing. >>=20 >> Since we're generally talking about LIVE looping then many of the practic= es >> of recording musicians just don't apply - for example, we don't do take >> after take trying to make things perfect, we work with the imperfections >> inherent in performance, etc. And yet, on the other hand, ultimately wha= t >> we're doing is recording and combining multiple layers of audio and so ma= ny >> principles of 'non-real time' recording and mixing are very important. >>=20 >> For example, I use a laptop, an Apogee Duet and Mobius hosted in Ableton >> Live to loop my guitar. One problem I've struggled with is how to set up= an >> appropriate gain structure to keep the noise floor low (very important if= >> you're using single coils!) while not clipping the inputs or eating up >> headroom in the software too quickly, using up space for further loops. >>=20 >> With an instrument like an electric guitar that has a large dynamic range= >> and can fill up the audio spectrum quite quickly I've found that >> compression, limiting and EQ are as essential to my setup as anything els= e. >>=20 >> But enough about me! >>=20 >> What's your experience with this relationship? >>=20 >> Do you 'mix' your loops as you go or simply adjust your technique to achi= eve >> a range of sounds? >>=20 >> Do you anticipate the needs of the audio you're about to record or tweak >> things as you go? >>=20 >> Do you find that lessons learned in mixing recorded music inform your >> looping (or vice versa)? >>=20 >> Am I just over-thinking the grand old art of the loop? >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Regards, >>=20 >>=20 >> Philip. >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 06:13:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 548A1183464; Sat, 12 May 2012 06:13:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=Mk3ltQuChu3b4e7UgGGMdQlBmT8RGe5lgFYDNZMQbKk=; b=eMvl83iXeCAHwGz+euPXiY80dERabPZCJbueb8vFk2KR+4hxgmkySwz9/1pFhyt0t+ z8/iJctslTHyzURu0hrRManA9ltSju8xEgeLLeRxm1WRTbS+vMekWEbeIx8F2xdN0+TN 4IRbRES27Q57JLo4kgxemTzjo8O+JJcga9HjKml8tadI1UO3SFl2WZSApWr+i1NKtK+R bFunsyGKvVxJnUsI7z0Jqjwt9o8LyPRMdTZnJJsnSadAKVA4Uo4LYD4dBiZdaMA8O/ln H71Dvp+etxLi8lzwO2V55vEJaorOAREy6syk0QIZV9ik1KETwXZdNf1yLU/sQDaVvVlZ Pq5A== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Looping and Mixing/Mixing Loops From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: <53377C04-FA61-4A3E-9E49-5098B977D0B9@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 23:13:47 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <49FD1304-3323-4AD4-AF0F-EB2979C5A194@gmail.com> References: <6AFDFA3EB679F71D204B6C92@epi-pc372.epi.bris.ac.uk> <53377C04-FA61-4A3E-9E49-5098B977D0B9@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 06:13:52 +0000 (UTC) Very much like my Ableton setup :) On May 11, 2012, at 11:03 PM, Gmail wrote: > I'm loving this topic! This was one of my biggest issues when i first = started looping about a year ago. I loop with FL studio hosting mobius. = I have a continuous project/setup that I work on. Basically all of my = software instruments are what I call prEQ'd. Each track first sends from = the plugin to track in FL Studio. The EQ effects and other pre-effects = are applied in these tracks. I call them the input tracks. The audio = output of these channels is linked to the audio input of mobius which is = then recorded and looped. Mobius plays what I call "dry loops" because = even though the instruments were recorded with pre-mobius effects, the = effects are there to make the instrument sound the way its supposed to = as if there were no effects to it. Then the audio output of the mobius = tracks are linked directly back into a separate set of FL studio tracks = that I call the ouput. Each output track one has an instrument-specific = effect that is post-mobius. Therefore I can modulate the playing loops = with things like high cut filters, low cut filters and etc. Then all of = out put tracks are linked into one, main FX track. With this track i can = modulate effects onto the entire output of the audio. For example I have = every instrument sound looping at once; I can turn up reverb on the Main = FX channel and this reverb will apply to every instrument. >=20 > Kaylon >=20 > On May 11, 2012, at 9:30 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >=20 >> Highly relevant thoughts, Philip! Mixing and live looping is closely >> related, but still very different in praxis. >>=20 >> My concept for live looping is what I use to call "the musician >> concept". For sound design I use what I call "the reverse engineered >> mixing technique". What I mean with this is that I apply everything = to >> my live instrument input sound that you in a mixing situation would >> apply to each of the tracks to be mixed. EQ, effects, compression, >> even effect loops with the return channel side-chained by the live >> input (my instrument). Many effects are quite subtle and dynamic >> processing often synced to the looping tempo. The theory is to make >> your instrument sound in a way that works well for layering. I >> typically do all this to my instrument signal PRE loop, so every = layer >> I overdub into a loop may have different effects in order to blend >> well as a multi layered loop. >>=20 >> There is also different concept for live looping that I use to call >> "the re-remix concept". Many Ableton Live users fancy this concept >> because Live allows you to treat separate parallel loops = individually; >> running each looper channel through its own mixer channel. This is >> exactly how you do when mixing and you can achieve sonic perfection. >> One records loops at different channels and then apply effects and >> processing POST loop. My problem with this method is that it takes >> quite a lot of time to get it to sound good any by the birth of your >> masterpiece the audience might have gone home. >>=20 >> An important aspect of my "musician concept" is that when looping the >> already perfected sound into just one or a few loops you are keeping >> all options at hand for drastic rearranging on-the-fly as you = perform. >> For example, it is much easier to keep the show going when putting = one >> multi part loop into half-speed compared to putting five separate >> parts loops into half-speed. >>=20 >> Of course, with my musician's concept reverse-engineered mixing >> technique your strategy is crucial. It is possible to paint yourself >> stuck into a corner. When that happens the only way out is to kick >> Global Reset and start over from square one - if done as one move >> while the music is going the audience will just hear it as a >> break-down section or similar. Most important for my performance >> strategy is to instantly tag musical parts to decide what kind of = loop >> I'll layer them into. These are the types of loops I have chosen to >> work with: >>=20 >> 1. Tonal loops that can be speed shifted, in order to create chord >> changes, without too much rhythmic hassle. Often pad type sounding. = If >> using a polyphonic instrument I can create such a loop by just = playing >> a chord and record it, but if using a monophonic instrument I use to >> overdub many notes to form a chord. >>=20 >> 2. Atonal loops with percussive content. These loops are not being >> speed shifted when I improvise chord changes by speed shifting a type >> #1 loop. >>=20 >> 3. Loops created for the purpose of poly rhythmic interaction with >> another loop. Such a loop plays by a different length than the one it >> plays against. >>=20 >> The above is the corner stones of my instant composing technique. >>=20 >> As for the noise issue you brought up I'm all for shutting up when = not >> playing and muting the input between played notes. On my Stratocaster >> I play with the volume knob. You can mute between fourth notes using >> the pinky on that knob. When using wind instruments and a mic I have = a >> volume pedal directly after the mic to mute the leaking PA sound from >> getting into the loops. I even use this volume pedal for note attack >> sometimes, when playing heavily distorted flute it is a must and part >> of the instrument. >>=20 >> When playing an instrument with several audio signals I always keep >> all inputs going plus all effect returns going to the looper, >> following the what-you-hear-is-what-you-loop routine. Everything in = my >> live looping rig is set up for instant performance access. Everything >> is PRE looper. The stereo looper output is totally dry, just with a >> little compression added to make it groove better. The reverb and >> delay effects heard are all recorded into loops. This makes it >> possible for me to apply drastic on-the-fly cutting to the full mix, = I >> can play the mix instantly like you play an instrument, that's why I >> call it "a musician based concept". >>=20 >> Greetings from Sweden >>=20 >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>=20 >>=20 >> On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Philip Conway >> wrote: >>> Hello all, >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Some recent discussion on the list (when not heatedly debating = Youtube >>> sensations, of course) has focused not just on looping but also on = recording >>> and mixing generally. That there is a high level of expertise on = these >>> subjects in the LD community is perhaps not surprising but it raises = some >>> questions in my mind about the relationship between looping and >>> recording/mixing. >>>=20 >>> Since we're generally talking about LIVE looping then many of the = practices >>> of recording musicians just don't apply - for example, we don't do = take >>> after take trying to make things perfect, we work with the = imperfections >>> inherent in performance, etc. And yet, on the other hand, = ultimately what >>> we're doing is recording and combining multiple layers of audio and = so many >>> principles of 'non-real time' recording and mixing are very = important. >>>=20 >>> For example, I use a laptop, an Apogee Duet and Mobius hosted in = Ableton >>> Live to loop my guitar. One problem I've struggled with is how to = set up an >>> appropriate gain structure to keep the noise floor low (very = important if >>> you're using single coils!) while not clipping the inputs or eating = up >>> headroom in the software too quickly, using up space for further = loops. >>>=20 >>> With an instrument like an electric guitar that has a large dynamic = range >>> and can fill up the audio spectrum quite quickly I've found that >>> compression, limiting and EQ are as essential to my setup as = anything else. >>>=20 >>> But enough about me! >>>=20 >>> What's your experience with this relationship? >>>=20 >>> Do you 'mix' your loops as you go or simply adjust your technique to = achieve >>> a range of sounds? >>>=20 >>> Do you anticipate the needs of the audio you're about to record or = tweak >>> things as you go? >>>=20 >>> Do you find that lessons learned in mixing recorded music inform = your >>> looping (or vice versa)? >>>=20 >>> Am I just over-thinking the grand old art of the loop? >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Regards, >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Philip. >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 06:57:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6834183464; Sat, 12 May 2012 06:57:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FAE09C1.2060808@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 23:57:05 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBXaWVybm93b2xza2k=?= CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: AUGMENTING Per Boysen's LOOP PEDAL FEATURE Spread Sheet References: <4FAD5D51.5070807@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4FAD5D51.5070807@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070005030106070008030207" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 06:57:14 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070005030106070008030207 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 5/11/12 11:41 AM, Michał Wiernowolski wrote: Per's chart is really excellent. It contains a very good feature selection and valuable comments for particular cases (all those 'yes, but'). Quite obviously it gets outdated as new hardware/software emerges.........I have the impression there is almost too much to cover to keep the chart convenient,.........Despite this I encourage you Per to update this, let me repeat it (!), excellent chart. Dear Michael and loopers everywhere: Per has told me that he doesn't want to add to his chart, but that we are free to use his accumulated information to augment any larger chart for the future. I think it important to credit him with how much work he put into it so far, and would suggest that it's up to our community to continue on. You've laid out a nice list of the devices not covered so far, Michael. I'd suggest that anyone who has experience with these devices take a look at his chart and send in an equivalent entry for the devices they own. I'll repost your suggestions, Michael with a couple additions of my own. Any takers? Here is a list of pedals not included on the charts so far and below that, the format Per has used on is excellent webpage, looproom.com: *_http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php_* DEDICATED HARDWARE LOOPING PEDALS (not covered in Per's chart) Vox VDL-1 Line 6 JM4 Looper Akai E1/E2 Head Rush Pigtronix Infinity Looper (due for release imminently) Looperlative LP-2 Mini Looper Boss RC300 DEVICE WITH AUXILIARY LOOPER INCLUDED (also not covered) TC Helicon VoiceLive Touch Boss GT-10 Casio XW-G1 Vox DelayLab Pigtronix Echolution Digitech TimeBender Strymon TimeLine Roland MC-09 Korg Kaoss Pad 2/3 Korg Kaossilator Pro Have we missed anything, perchance? Rick Walker Overdub Feedback Undo Multiply Quantize Reverse loop MIDI Presets Sync Cut n Paste slices Pitch/speed transposing Time stretching Tap tempo Max numbers of cued linear loops instantly accessible multiple loops in parallel Audio channels, Tracks Stereo recording Built-in storage option can run on battery Memory RAM Rang(TM)III yes yes yes, last part added can be removed or restored *Virtual multiply capability *no yes yes, only for downloading new software no *no no half speed no yes, two taps define initial loop length 4 parallel loops 2 stereo yes no yes, but the battery is external. There are no internal battery holders 64 MB --------------070005030106070008030207 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 5/11/12 11:41 AM, Michał Wiernowolski wrote:
Per's chart is really excellent. It contains a very good feature selection and valuable comments for particular cases (all those 'yes, but'). Quite obviously it gets outdated as new hardware/software emerges.........I have the impression there is almost too much to cover to keep the chart convenient,.........Despite this I encourage you Per to update this, let me repeat it (!), excellent chart.

Dear Michael and loopers everywhere:

Per has told me that he doesn't want to add to his chart, but that we are free to use his accumulated
information to augment any larger chart for the future.    I think it important to credit him with how
much work he put into it so far, and would suggest that it's up to our community to continue on.

You've laid out a nice list of the devices not covered so far, Michael.

I'd suggest that anyone who has experience with these devices take a look at his chart
and send in an equivalent entry for the devices they own.

I'll repost your suggestions, Michael with a couple additions of my own.
Any takers?

Here is a list of pedals not included on the charts so far
and below that,  the format Per has used on is excellent webpage, looproom.com:

http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php

DEDICATED HARDWARE LOOPING PEDALS (not covered in Per's chart)

Vox VDL-1
Line 6 JM4 Looper
Akai E1/E2 Head Rush
Pigtronix Infinity Looper (due for release imminently)
Looperlative LP-2 Mini Looper
Boss RC300

DEVICE WITH AUXILIARY LOOPER INCLUDED (also not covered)

TC Helicon
VoiceLive Touch
Boss GT-10
Casio XW-G1
Vox DelayLab
Pigtronix Echolution
Digitech TimeBender
Strymon TimeLine
Roland MC-09
Korg Kaoss Pad 2/3
Korg Kaossilator Pro

Have we missed anything, perchance?
Rick Walker

  Overdub Feedback Undo Multiply Quantize Reverse loop MIDI Presets Sync Cut n Paste slices Pitch/speed transposing Time stretching Tap tempo Max numbers of cued linear loops instantly accessible multiple loops in parallel Audio channels, Tracks Stereo recording Built-in storage option can run on battery Memory RAM
Rang(TM)III yes yes yes, last part added can be removed or restored *Virtual multiply capability *no yes yes, only for downloading new software no *no no half speed no yes, two taps define initial loop length   4 parallel loops 2 stereo yes no yes, but the battery is external. There are no internal battery holders 64 MB







--------------070005030106070008030207-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 08:22:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 078A2183464; Sat, 12 May 2012 08:22:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FAE1DC0.5030409@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 04:22:24 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Thought Radio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 08:22:38 +0000 (UTC) THOUGHT RADIO: http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio ======================================================================= My next stint on Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show, will be Saturday, May 12 at 6 am EDT/GMT-4. In Phase One, I will continue the special on Sequences Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. I will also play music of artists who will be playing at the Soundscapes Concert Series in May; Broekhuis, Keller& Schonwalder. I host the show every other week. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 08:48:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95A96183463; Sat, 12 May 2012 08:48:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=yZoPudiVAX9fKrMGn6CerhSdKToxsuy3E7WNB4qaxI8=; b=LSN+jimryucdB7c5z2UiHTd9ckyW9qbmFWzQamO9quzKJrDHjxtqfRb4LQdipej1We uccQ9uoQgUQQqJuilomp0NYK0vindy0Q7F6ca/oMH/zX99wpU7DO4jsHJD5TdsAxgJz7 VBnAihrLaoHrvIo9zVamFPdsca+WIuH3+IVHpQLz9XPr7Hh8mcgT8fYZ2IKQ1wySmgLG ZK/EiPp8PaNvIKYQF2H/zkljJRVfiha6bT9ZW6RAfMMBb3htfd9AVBrMWHBOs5Q5EnmQ L9GDZAaNhq8V2H8ynHWPsPwGc6gD9c02Kom4BQ3UXQkzFQ6dZ/9VBsHRYiBW1zzZLqKY LjEQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4FAE09C1.2060808@cruzio.com> References: <4FAD5D51.5070807@gmail.com> <4FAE09C1.2060808@cruzio.com> From: mark francombe Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 10:47:52 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: nDiufDAGUhRmpKBzo1AVA3vBjo0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: AUGMENTING Per Boysen's LOOP PEDAL FEATURE Spread Sheet To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c1844e3bc3204bfd2e92b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 08:48:16 +0000 (UTC) --0015174c1844e3bc3204bfd2e92b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > Per has told me that he doesn't want to add to his chart, but that we are > free to use his accumulated > information to augment any larger chart for the future. I think it > important to credit him with how > much work he put into it so far, and would suggest that it's up to our > community to continue on. > Im not sure WHY Per doesnt want to add to this chart, probably because its a bugger of alot of work to maintain, with loads of people requesting new field and ways of showing the info. I dont blame him. But it IS an amazing resource and I have used it many times. One suggestion I have, but it would need some major setting up. Is to implement a Google Docs Spreadsheet. If we as a community made ourselves a default email address, and signed up a google account. You can generate a Spreadsheet just like this. New information can be added by simply going through a form. The only drawbacks I can see is: 1. Setting it up, (might be a bugger to initially add all Pers info... but might be cut n paste, have to test this!) 2. When making changes once an entry has been made (will need a admin person to go into that actual Spreadsheet and make the change.) 3. Pers is cleverly divided into Software and Hardware. Although this could be added as a field, it would not be displayed as such in the final spreadsheet. Personaly I thing Per should do this as for me its become traditional that he hosts this, but Im sure he is too busy. As an example I show MY looper friendly Venue list, which comes in 2 halves: The form where you add venues: http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/about/looping-venues/ And the Spreadsheet where you can view the complete shit: https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pPPy_Yv756yiEBjU8KvZXUQ -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --0015174c1844e3bc3204bfd2e92b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com&g= t; wrote:
Per has told me that he doesn'= ;t want to add to his chart, but that we are free to use his accumulated
information to augment any larger chart for the future.=A0=A0=A0 I thin= k it important to credit him with how
much work he put into it so far, and would suggest that it's up to our community to continue on.

Im not sure W= HY Per doesnt want to add to this chart, probably because its a bugger of a= lot of work to maintain, with loads of people requesting new field and ways= of showing the info. I dont blame him.

But it IS an amazing resource and I have used it many times.

One= suggestion I have, but it would need some major setting up. Is to implemen= t a Google Docs Spreadsheet. If we as a community made ourselves a default = email address, and signed up a google account. You can generate a Spreadshe= et just like this. New information can be added by simply going through a f= orm. The only drawbacks I can see is:

  1. Setting it up, (might be a bugger to initially add all Pers inf= o... but might be cut n paste, have to test this!)
  2. When making chan= ges once an entry has been made (will need a admin person to go into that a= ctual Spreadsheet and make the change.)
  3. Pers is cleverly divided into Software and Hardware. Although this coul= d be added as a field, it would not be displayed as such in the final sprea= dsheet.

Personaly I thing Per should do this as for me its be= come traditional that he hosts this, but Im sure he is too busy.

As an example I show MY looper friendly Venue list, which comes in 2 ha= lves:

The form where you add venues:

http://www.markfrancombe.c= om/wordpress/about/looping-venues/

And the Spreadsheet where you can view the complete shit:

htt= ps://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=3DpPPy_Yv756yiEBjU8KvZXUQ

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--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
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--0015174c1844e3bc3204bfd2e92b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 09:50:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25D7D183464; Sat, 12 May 2012 09:50:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=JNlZaycQqsa+UykEEMaR5/BDsHvzX+CPG0qk6Rb/AVY=; b=Qvi/NZzJX9mX6LEk6hS3GiFxtdCn2FX9D7LTjItAK3j3jaE6G2i6VRtZhTXLI18ofg +BbmCjmMwTA7Xpob0IzRYkuvBylAwnAVfYz02VUQr983ws7tS0jRzn9UFOp7Kt4+GYEF Sy7nI2BNMDvFJa3v3DCMDaWomliXMhCwryH8HIWRC5+z1u9clLsElaATB4K61NpObaSC bX4Wm89i6skYxuxP3dt/BDaQO5rpdwR/r5H7TrlqO9F0353iMezhDlKDFkGhgWD4Yk8S TyEGJjh3CpwiGp88cP0aE97M2owhiN9bto6vE/C3yHR/SVPDQ9/dN9K7HhQ/JlxIcoCf Cv9w== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4FAD5D51.5070807@gmail.com> <4FAE09C1.2060808@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 11:50:18 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: AUGMENTING Per Boysen's LOOP PEDAL FEATURE Spread Sheet From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 09:50:19 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 10:47 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Im not sure WHY Per doesnt want to add to this chart Please let me fill in: Simply because presenting a curated list of loopers may be more helpful than a complete market swoop-out research report. A full listing, that has been discussed in Rick's thread, would mean an almost astronomical amount of data and a curated html chart like mine really isn't a good platform for that. I agree with Mark that a Google spreadsheet seems viable. But even better would be an online searchable database. There are good php templates for that and anyone who likes is free to copy the information I have gathered and use it to jumpstart a bigger round-up. There has also been discussion about adding information for readers not knowing what certain terms mean, like for example asking "what is Overdub?" In my short listing I have solved that by linking every product name to the manufacturer's web site where anyone can go and read up on every device's manual to fill in for lacking background knowledge. Maybe a more educational "Looping School" can be published at www.livelooping.org ? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 10:44:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC6B8183462; Sat, 12 May 2012 10:44:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 769173314/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.28.2/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.28.2 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAKM+rk9YbRwC/2dsb2JhbAANN4V5sRQBAQQjFUARCxoCBRYLAgIJAwIBAgFFHAGwKJJIgS+JbxyCQYIOgRgEm1+NSIFW X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,576,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="769173314" Message-ID: <4FAE3F2D.5030604@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 11:45:01 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AUGMENTING - Vox VDL-1 data References: <4FAD5D51.5070807@gmail.com> <4FAE09C1.2060808@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4FAE09C1.2060808@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 10:44:50 +0000 (UTC) ok, gonna test this out by experiment. Vox VDL-1 Dynamic Looper Overdub Y Feedback N (except on 2s delay which can have loop synced to it) Undo Y (one layer with Redo independent for 2 tracks) Multiply Y (by resample) Quantize Y (one loop can be exact multiple of the other) Reverse Y ( 2 types ) Midi N Presets Y Sync N Cut'n'Paste slices N Pitch Transposing oct up/down continuous or semitone steps Time stretching Y Tap Tempo Y Max loops instantly accessible 1 Parallel loops 2 Tracks 2 Storage N Battery N Memory 90s definitely missed out from chart Stop/Start Y everyone forgets that one ;-) Then there's stuff that might go on a chart, or in a comments section. Mic input XLR no phantom. Good quality guitar input Y Loop Volume (only by resample) Input Volume (on mic, not needed on instrument) Replace/Substitute N Metronome Y (can be silent) Polyrhythmic loops Y (by sync to metronome) Mix Down Y (via Re-sample) Comments Many pre and post fx, but only one of each at a time. Foot pedal for fx control, or swell. Loop and FX both sync-able to tap-time metronome. FX not synced to loop. Perhaps there should be a sound quality rating?? ***** No noticeable change in sound **** Good enough in studio, with care. *** Gig-able ** Try it out * Lo-fi glory in which case the VDL-1 is definitely a ****, maybe a ***** andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 10:49:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11084183462; Sat, 12 May 2012 10:49:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 760902980/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.28.2/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.28.2 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAFU/rk9YbRwC/2dsb2JhbAANN4V5sRMBAQEDASMVQAYLCxoCBRYLAgIJAwIBAgFFBgEVAYgFqCWSSIEvjlqBGASbX41I X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,576,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="760902980" Message-ID: <4FAE403F.7080603@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 11:49:35 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Matthias Grob Subject: Re: AUGMENTING Per's Spread Sheet WORDPRESS? References: <4FAD5D51.5070807@gmail.com> <4FAE09C1.2060808@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4FAE09C1.2060808@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 10:49:23 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker wrote: > I'd suggest that anyone who has experience with these devices take a > look at his chart > and send in an equivalent entry for the devices they own. ok, done that for Vox VDL-1 as a test case. I'm wondering if there's a Wordpress plugin which would do this? (I've no idea personally, but thought it worth a shot) In that case it would fit on livelooping .org andy c'mon WordPress guys...you told us WP would do everything ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 12:04:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0FAD183464; Sat, 12 May 2012 12:04:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 769201900/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.28.2/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.28.2 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAG5Rrk9YbRwC/2dsb2JhbAANN4V5sRMBAQEDASMVQAYLCxoCBRYLAgIJAwIBAgFFHAGIBagqkkWBL4lvDg6CQYIOgRgEm1+NSIFVAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,576,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="769201900" Message-ID: <4FAE51E5.4000606@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 13:04:53 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AUGMENTING - Looperlative LP-1 References: <4FAD5D51.5070807@gmail.com> <4FAE09C1.2060808@cruzio.com> <4FAE3F2D.5030604@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4FAE3F2D.5030604@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:04:44 +0000 (UTC) > Looperlative LP-1 > > Overdub Y > Feedback Y > Undo Y (only one undo buffer for 8 tracks) > Multiply Y (use Bounce for real time mult) > Quantize Y (limited) > Reverse Y > Midi Y (requires controller) > Presets Y (only for mix/feedback) > Cut'n'Paste slices Y (only Quant Replace) > Pitch Transposing Y Lo-fi 2oct up/down continuous or semitone steps > Time stretching N > Tap Tempo Set loop length with 2 taps > Max loops instantly accessible ? depends on user config, up to 8 > Tracks 8 > Stereo Recording Y > Storage N (but can copy loop to pc via ethernet) > Battery N > Memory ? 3 minutes > > Stop/Start Y > > > > Then there's stuff that might go on a chart, or in a comments section. > > Mic input N > Good quality guitar input N (line level) > Loop Volume Y > Input Volume N > Replace/Substitute Y (4 types) > Metronome N (but midi-clock out) > Polyrhythmic loops Y (by tapping short master loop) > Mix Down Y Non Destructive Fade In/Out Y Rack mount Y Aux Outputs Y (route loops to secondary stereo o/p) Loops groupable to follow commands Y > > > Comments > Highly configurable user interface using simple midi pedal(not included). > Continuing development of firmware with free update for users. > No default setup. > > > > ***** No noticeable change in sound > **** Good enough in studio, with care. > *** Gig-able > ** Try it out > * Lo-fi glory in which case the LP-1 is a **** reason's it's not a ***** 1) some loss of treble compared to input (A/B tested studio conditions) 2) low headroom on output andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 14:23:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42D22183465; Sat, 12 May 2012 14:23:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=aod0jDwyhS0TodWwZXlAcFCsGz/HLsizBB9mvAdn/fc=; b=hsL1Kf60F5QrZWkodKbyn+4tCfguewP5iW5lhd003rplgjlvf/NaqnujAJrQHuyKaE yIKovBr5xrmb8MVl5zh6hnBDUbkqstBlavZivIhxp9h00v8rgfdoSfgZK2FBOoCvIZUb cFqvg/QUMI7QGrRp8e+Mlgkwqk4exmqXzHW+SdWp+ffRYsLo78oavu62Vfgf4T1z7xDB slr9+wzJrIHTiJfPE0ptZx2SLZkiJjS2nQxQIKWDu3fRfEKEkDe0qxF05X5cmoKuMmiN c5HJYSDYgRUaZre643Q6mgBBpphFPTVtcmbTWE8Cfwt0aMscPLa1MLTC46RK4N9Xiufm +phA== Subject: Re: visualizer References: From: Gmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 07:21:32 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 14:23:51 +0000 (UTC) This made me wanna go try it Kaylon On May 10, 2012, at 11:13 PM, Petri Lahtinen w= rote: > http://www.image-line.com/documents/zgameeditorvisualizer.html >=20 > Some of you might be interested? >=20 > --=20 > Petri >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 15:45:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B6AA183473; Sat, 12 May 2012 15:45:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: AUGMENTING Per Boysen's LOOP PEDAL FEATURE Spread Sheet Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 08:44:55 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 15:45:02 +0000 (UTC) 5 that were not on the list: Dedicated looper Vox lil looper (to be released) Zvex lofi loop junky delays with built in loopers: TC electronic Flashback delay looper (40 seconds mono 20 seconds stereo looper) Digitech hardwire DL-8 (8 second looper) Boss DD7 (40 second looper) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 17:03:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE3FC183464; Sat, 12 May 2012 17:03:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 763554624/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.28.2/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.28.2 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAK6Wrk9YbRwC/2dsb2JhbAANN7cMAQEBAwE4QBELGAkWDwkDAgECAUUcAYgFujWNfIMmBJtfjUg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,577,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="763554624" Message-ID: <4FAE97D2.4070503@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 18:03:14 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AUGMENTING Per Boysen's LOOP PEDAL FEATURE Spread Sheet References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 17:03:02 +0000 (UTC) William Walker wrote: > 5 that were not on the list: > > > Dedicated looper > > Vox lil looper (to be released) interesting, did Vox take on board criticisms of the VDL-1 ....or not? > > Zvex lofi loop junky ...and I think the Vox Delaylab is going to end up in the dedicated looper category, as it's a very close take-off of the DL-4. It's unclear in the manual as to whether it has a feedback control, just says it has one setting where the loop decays on overdub. > > > delays with built in loopers: > > > TC electronic Flashback delay looper (40 seconds mono 20 seconds stereo > looper) That's actually a really good choice to try out looping. Well thought out way of implementing a looper with one button. Rec/Dub with double click to stop and erase. Also a 6s delay (which is probably stereo) Dry kill, which makes it good for additional loopage in a larger setup. Nice sounding delays. andy > > Digitech hardwire DL-8 (8 second looper) > > Boss DD7 (40 second looper) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 17:07:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3E79183463; Sat, 12 May 2012 17:07:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 761025664/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.28.2/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.28.2 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAHyYrk9YbRwC/2dsb2JhbAANN7cNAQEEOEARLBYPCQMCAQIBRRwBwjyNfIMmBJtfjUg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,577,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="761025664" Message-ID: <4FAE98D3.7040606@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 18:07:31 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Recommendation for multi-fx with long delay References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 17:07:40 +0000 (UTC) Can anyone recommend a multi-fx with a long delay? Stomp box type. Small if possible. Swell pedal an advantage. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 17:24:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74805183463; Sat, 12 May 2012 17:24:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=EV4XaRhlk3klS21dr8W5g2cLjNB6s27TNA65wqXMgNM=; b=V3TC7RSOHsehimnHfVGQHVqkmozthei9uNVEWbLwHQeySH++4tzHOT4PUHmvSWPRAe 7s0zSlDDVXJYysR0VmjktB4bwpBvyh5i1/g1gB8GsY/Z9aNtLfUS00P7YnTV1oOptf6w y7q+CLtwYpvVGX/+IaI7sIfHkJMmHcM1qIQHOLbdv8SI6tkviv7oDqdvkxF1f7v35bhs 8Wa0jqnrDzJCGdW+PmwesTw2sGTmP1iYT8ntax+OdKEpYZwj1XM9zJl5GRjlW3vjyzzF uBi+PaSNRnhupEUqyF5h5pvrwe8rBL2gZOmIvAWkfsi+4sTCDymPnMd7Jhni8DdjdvGE z3WQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FAE98D3.7040606@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4FAE98D3.7040606@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 13:24:34 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Recommendation for multi-fx with long delay From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044784b96c1e2e04bfda200a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 17:24:35 +0000 (UTC) --f46d044784b96c1e2e04bfda200a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The Zoom G2 has a five sec delay w/a hold feature, you can plug in an ex ped also. It also has a slow attack type effect. http://www.zoom.co.jp/products/g2/features/ nice sounding unit. I have the G2.1Nu myself which has an ex ped built in and usb. Jeff On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 1:07 PM, andy butler wrote: > > Can anyone recommend a multi-fx with a long delay? > Stomp box type. > Small if possible. > > Swell pedal an advantage. > > > andy > > > --f46d044784b96c1e2e04bfda200a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Zoom G2 has a five sec delay w/a hold feature, you can plug in an ex pe= d also. It also has a slow attack type effect. http://www.zoom.co.jp/products/g2/features/= nice sounding unit. I have the G2.1Nu myself which has an ex ped built in = and usb.

Jeff


On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 1:07= PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

Can anyone recommend a multi-fx with a long delay?
Stomp box type.
Small if possible.

Swell pedal an advantage.

andy



--f46d044784b96c1e2e04bfda200a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 17:48:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C76FE183465; Sat, 12 May 2012 17:48:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20120512104545.6xdq1sy128k888w4@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 10:45:45 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AUGMENTING Per's Spread Sheet WORDPRESS? References: <4FAD5D51.5070807@gmail.com> <4FAE09C1.2060808@cruzio.com> <4FAE403F.7080603@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4FAE403F.7080603@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.4) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 17:48:31 +0000 (UTC) I'm experimenting with WP a little, and I am also interested in some sort of db interface. So, I'd be interested in this answer, and for aditional participation in exploring the solutions for this problem. Storing this info in a database will allow people to search, sort, and filter the data, and thus increasing it's value tremendously. -cpr Quoting andy butler : > Rick Walker wrote: > >> I'd suggest that anyone who has experience with these devices take >> a look at his chart >> and send in an equivalent entry for the devices they own. > > ok, done that for Vox VDL-1 as a test case. > > I'm wondering if there's a Wordpress plugin which would do this? > (I've no idea personally, but thought it worth a shot) > > In that case it would fit on livelooping .org > > andy > c'mon WordPress guys...you told us WP would do everything ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 18:12:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C923B183463; Sat, 12 May 2012 18:12:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 763576138/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.28.2/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.28.2 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBADCnrk9YbRwC/2dsb2JhbAANN7cMAQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBiBW6Ko18gyYEm1+NSA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,577,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="763576138" Message-ID: <4FAEA81C.1050102@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 19:12:44 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Recommendation for multi-fx with long delay References: <4FAE98D3.7040606@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 18:12:32 +0000 (UTC) ta Jeff, thanks for that, looks good, but 10s or more would be optimal. I've actually tried the old Zoom 2100, and would use that but while it has 10s the fade rate is too fast. andy Jeff Duke wrote: > The Zoom G2 has a five sec delay w/a hold feature, you can plug in an ex > ped also. It also has a slow attack type effect. > http://www.zoom.co.jp/products/g2/features/ nice sounding unit. I have > the G2.1Nu myself which has an ex ped built in and usb. > > Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 18:27:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A44F1183463; Sat, 12 May 2012 18:27:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAJ+qrk8yaDaz/2dsb2JhbABEs3CDHAEBAQMBOAJPC0ZXiCIFuiOLGoJigkNjBIhkkw6NUg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,576,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="242060831" X-Originating-IP: [50.104.54.179] X-Previous-IP: 50.104.54.179 Message-Id: From: Jeff Shirkey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4FAE98D3.7040606@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Recommendation for multi-fx with long delay Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 13:26:26 -0500 References: <4FAE98D3.7040606@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 18:27:38 +0000 (UTC) Line 6 M9. On May 12, 2012, at 12:07 PM, andy butler wrote: > > Can anyone recommend a multi-fx with a long delay? > Stomp box type. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 18:32:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57DFF183464; Sat, 12 May 2012 18:32:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=bJkqiY2RmXTsMFFyfodoWxtYvTFxtPjTRqP4C0EAUfo=; b=SZV1YKS+a4lN279GQdVzWbBsPyb8IqkVGFyirEbc9mVp2Kq2kv/ibpf0/w0ITBJJNP r7leDZNy8ox6i/SCGDKQyBaINeYrxSWmaPMwziu76bfRdVEr6Igdd2QNyEBmQjQIHg7B yCyRHqa25QnQd6b02cAAHfkHPVMqQqkA8miUYj4u0jtAcUBJc5ZNOA36rtdsjAsWrpQy MAIvaatpbrsq8940IXuyITRZI/sIBMIAQMGJqqiMgHrP8XlS4ZNll1wXI9FmfFFcW2NB pMs+khVo8WVJbQR/gt8tSoZAAoExhau228fw08ZvK2whqBtMMIp23ufN7WjRS/Qv5gmc eNfw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FAEA81C.1050102@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4FAE98D3.7040606@tiscali.co.uk> <4FAEA81C.1050102@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 14:32:07 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Recommendation for multi-fx with long delay From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0447f154fd2c1f04bfdb111b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 18:32:08 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0447f154fd2c1f04bfdb111b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Always something eh? :) If you find something with more than 5 sec please let me know! Long delays are where it's at for me. j On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 2:12 PM, andy butler wrote: > ta Jeff, > thanks for that, > looks good, > but 10s or more would be optimal. > > I've actually tried the old Zoom 2100, and would use that > but while it has 10s the fade rate is too fast. > > andy > > Jeff Duke wrote: > >> The Zoom G2 has a five sec delay w/a hold feature, you can plug in an ex >> ped also. It also has a slow attack type effect. http://www.zoom.co.jp/** >> products/g2/features/ nice >> sounding unit. I have the G2.1Nu myself which has an ex ped built in and >> usb. >> >> Jeff >> > > --f46d0447f154fd2c1f04bfdb111b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Always something eh? :) If you find something with more than 5 sec please l= et me know! Long delays are where it's at for me.

j

On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 2:12 PM, andy butler <= akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
ta Jeff,
thanks for that,
looks good,
but 10s or more would be optimal.

I've actually tried the old Zoom 2100, and would use that
but while it has 10s the fade rate is too fast.

andy

Jeff Duke wrote:
The Zoom G2 has a five sec delay w/a hold feature, you can plug in an ex pe= d also. It also has a slow attack type effect. http://www.zoom.co.jp/= products/g2/features/ nice sounding unit. I have the G2.1Nu myself whic= h has an ex ped built in and usb.

Jeff


--f46d0447f154fd2c1f04bfdb111b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 18:37:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0711C183462; Sat, 12 May 2012 18:37:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=7RFxPO6XhYLdB+8dnIMkf/3acPTHRB7CerbwRGZyqn4=; b=YeSGmTIVRFGmMC1nmqKO7J1B6gzC+YE+FnkLwcsc5JWU4I/mnnPM87lMR6x5ASkCCM dQu1DsEmY2KC9u7evmN852B8KDn47UITyx8ATA1OYSfDqwvdomOiAfpACYs+j+gDlTd/ s4L/8OPgXCdizShoVOOYQ0UdH4jAUJoAUGthsbCfcxNQjkn163oUIp8Vt2Jcia/Lkpd7 N/WkF6Cj31UEMyF0Bg1haKxVbMra7cgmmYPRK30FBezCcrZs5GKBXWrjjWXeKwOZRirb CF12O6NArw09kDLDSeuhnwHdMJ5L7sAt0uyosuU8+b2AmpKEKOu2mO0cC8SvUXUC/8RU 9HEg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4FAE98D3.7040606@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 14:37:18 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Recommendation for multi-fx with long delay From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f646a218db82804bfdb248c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 18:37:19 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f646a218db82804bfdb248c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The M 5/9/13 only has a 2 sec max delay. Pretty nice looper though. j On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > Line 6 M9. > > On May 12, 2012, at 12:07 PM, andy butler wrote: > > >> Can anyone recommend a multi-fx with a long delay? >> Stomp box type. >> > > --e89a8f646a218db82804bfdb248c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The M 5/9/13 only has a 2 sec max delay. Pretty nice looper though.

= j

On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Jeff S= hirkey <jcshirke@frontier.com> wrote:
Line 6 M9.

On May 12, 2012, at 12:07 PM, andy butler wrote:


Can anyone recommend a multi-fx with a long delay?
Stomp box type.


--e89a8f646a218db82804bfdb248c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 19:25:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41A2F183466; Sat, 12 May 2012 19:25:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <3B9992BF-9CD2-45AB-802C-8529141B3BFB@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-27--86265427 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: TC Flashback delay/Line 6 M series audio mods Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:25:03 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <--DG1B.A.DXH.XkrrPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 19:25:12 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-27--86265427 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Recently I took advantage of a generous employee purchase plan through TC electronic ( one of the few perks these days of working in a music store) and bought a TC Flashback delay. I have been wanting to downsize my pedal board and replace my M-9 with a Smaller M-5, and as this is the pedal board I use for conventional non looping gigs, the need for a looper was not as crucial. I'm also keeping the faith that the LP-2 will find a place on this board as well, and i needed to find space for it. To be honest my love affair with Line 6 stuff is all but over. I just can't see why some of the brightest minds in the biz can conceive of some genuinely inspired technology, that is easy to use and sounds good, would choose to cut corners on the most vital operational component on a foot actuated multi effect, uh that would be the footswitch?The M series switches are worse than those found on the original Line 6 modelers with more moving parts that where out quickly. I just replaced the ones on my M-9, with factory switches, and thats an hour of my time I wish I had back. The fact that this achilles heal has spawned a growing cottage industry of Line 6 up graders and modifiers is not lost on me, this has been going on since Jeorge Tripps started tweaking the DL-4, and then passed the info along to Fred Keeley, so that he could offer it to the general public. Up till now I have not found someone who has taken the time to figure out an audio upgrade for the M series products, though plenty of vendors like http://r3fx.com/store/index.php?route=common/ home will change out the crappy switches for quality smooth operating hardwired switches, not to mention paint you machine a custom color if you so desire. I had yet to find someone who had tackled the other main issue with these units albeit one that many might not notice. That being the issue of purity of signal path. Though the issue, is perhaps unnoticeable to a lot of people, particularly those who have long signal chains, leave many things on and are used to a certain amount of noise.. if i could describe what i hear, its another layer of noise floor, a certain digital grungy-ness and a harshness in the high frequencies when I do things like crank up the feedback on tape and analog delay models. Well I finally found a guy in Georgia who has come up with a mod to purify the signal path, an add a variable output volume control. he also does the footswitch mods, and a few other cool things as well. http://jhv3.squarespace.com/. I plan to send him an M-5 in a few weeks for both mods. Regarding the Flashback, this is a potent little delay with a decent simple looper on board. I can't say the footswitch is world class as it has a a positive action click not particularly suited when precise timing is needed ( I'll let you know how my skill progresses) and you have to double click the loop to turn it off, and once you do the loop is lost. Its only 20 second in stereo and 40 seconds in mono but its excellent for loop ambient drones with infinite overdub capability. I assume the overall delay length is also halved when running stereo but one thing that attracted me to it was its 7 seconds of delay time in all but the slap back modes. This is ideal for ambient long delay and sound on sound applications and killer for long reverse passages. The audio quality is typical of TC, pristine, and the delay types are all excellent. Tap tempo is handle by holding the pedal down and playing even tempo strokes to set the delay time. I'm not crazy about the fact that the signal is muted while you are doing this , though i can see the logic for sure, just wish i had the option. then there is the tone print feature that allows you to download custom presets from todays "Leading Guitarists". So iI downloaded a few and ended up using a Pete Thorn created delay with modulation that is capable of self oscillating feedback. perhaps at some point TC might release an actual editor librarian so some of the world "Not Leading Guitarists" can take a crack at sound design. otherwise this is a stellar affordable delay in a small mxr sized chassis that seems ruggedly built and has a very clean signal path. Bill --Apple-Mail-27--86265427 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Recently I took advantage of a = generous employee purchase plan through TC electronic ( one of the few = perks these days of working in a music store) and bought a TC Flashback = delay. I have been wanting to downsize my pedal board and replace my M-9 = with a Smaller M-5, and as this is the pedal board I use for = conventional non looping gigs,  the need for a looper was not as = crucial. I'm also keeping the faith that the LP-2 will find a place on = this board as well, and i needed to find space for it. To be honest my = love affair with Line 6 stuff is all but over. I just can't see why some = of the brightest minds in the biz can conceive of some genuinely = inspired technology, that is easy to use and sounds good, would choose = to cut corners on the most vital operational component on a foot = actuated multi effect, uh that would be the footswitch?The M series = switches are worse than those found on the original Line 6 modelers with = more moving parts that where out quickly. I just replaced the ones on my = M-9, with factory switches, and thats an hour of my time I wish I had = back. The fact that this achilles heal has spawned a growing cottage = industry of Line 6 up graders and modifiers is not lost on me, this has = been going on since Jeorge Tripps started tweaking the DL-4, and then = passed the info along to Fred Keeley, so that he could offer it to the = general public.  Up till now I have not found someone who has taken = the time to figure out an audio upgrade for the M series products, = though plenty of vendors like http://r3fx.c= om/store/index.php?route=3Dcommon/home  will change out the = crappy switches for quality smooth operating hardwired switches, not to = mention paint you machine a custom color if you so desire. I had yet to = find someone who had tackled the other main issue with these units = albeit one that many might not notice. That being the issue of purity of = signal path. Though the issue, is perhaps unnoticeable to a lot of = people, particularly those who have long signal chains, leave many = things on and are used to a certain amount of noise.. if i could = describe what i hear,  its another layer of noise floor, a certain = digital grungy-ness and a harshness in the high frequencies when I do = things like crank up the feedback on tape and analog delay models. Well = I finally found a guy in Georgia who has  come up with a mod to = purify the signal path, an add a variable output  volume control. = he also does the footswitch mods, and a few other cool things as = well. http://jhv3.squarespace.com/. = I plan to send him an M-5 in a few weeks for both = mods.
 Regarding the Flashback, this is a potent little delay = with a decent simple looper on board. I can't say the footswitch is = world class as it has a a positive action click not particularly suited = when precise timing is needed ( I'll let you know how my skill = progresses) and you have to double click the loop to turn it off, and = once you do the loop is lost. Its only 20 second in stereo and 40 = seconds in mono but its excellent for loop ambient drones with infinite = overdub capability. I assume the overall delay length is also halved = when running stereo but one thing that attracted me to it was its 7 = seconds of delay time in all but the slap back modes.  This is = ideal for ambient long delay and sound on sound applications and killer = for long reverse passages. The audio quality is typical of TC, pristine, = and the delay types are all excellent. Tap tempo is handle by holding = the pedal down and playing even tempo strokes to set the delay time. I'm = not crazy about the fact that the signal is muted while you are doing = this , though i can see the logic for sure, just wish i had the option. =  then there is the tone print feature that allows you to download = custom presets from todays "Leading Guitarists".  So iI downloaded = a few and ended up using a Pete Thorn created delay with modulation that = is capable  of self oscillating feedback. perhaps at some point TC = might release an actual editor librarian so some of the world "Not = Leading Guitarists" can take a crack at sound design. otherwise this is = a stellar affordable delay in a small mxr sized chassis that seems = ruggedly built and has a very clean signal = path. 
 Bill
= --Apple-Mail-27--86265427-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 19:36:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1B31183464; Sat, 12 May 2012 19:36:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5E9F360A-51AA-4BF3-8216-1AD23CA2E79C@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Recommendation for multi-fx with long delay Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:36:29 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 19:36:35 +0000 (UTC) The M-9 with a switch upgrade would do the trick, only 2000 mls on the regular delays but remember the looper does have variable feedback so it could in essence be used as a very long sound on sound delay. I'm selling mine used for $200 with some extra switches thrown in, but as i said, it would make sense to install better quality switches on these. It has two expression pedal ports, and i'm still very attached to a couple of delay type like the volume swell delay and the sweep and stereo delays, which is why I'm holding on to my M-5 and possibly getting a second one. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 20:52:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC56B183463; Sat, 12 May 2012 20:52:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <3B9992BF-9CD2-45AB-802C-8529141B3BFB@baymoon.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: TC Flashback delay/Line 6 M series audio mods In-Reply-To: <3B9992BF-9CD2-45AB-802C-8529141B3BFB@baymoon.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: michael klobuchar X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CEFE98335D73AC_E54_6A707_webmail-stg-d15.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36081-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CEFE9833518CC7-E54-1990D@webmail-stg-d15.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [68.162.171.245] Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 16:51:55 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336855916; bh=Nxqs3/bOWu5nxmJTIEaG/VNn0bEey2fvLf85cbuyCH8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=IKwwVIyDXnraiGUw5p7v/H7u86xSQmsGnUn7rwSzh5nX/pqW9l9JjHsVc4c9nmsAF 4Z82yGwOSBCw8AB1ooPBkLvC+3caXM33Rzsvq4TUYndNhmuOk2jXOKTJCjxDN8IueW JJart0lIEJBusPDXS/cLagepSBht5/jkgg1tRL9Y= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:413566656:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338d4faecd6b5291 Resent-Message-ID: <6wCwFC.A.iS.x1srPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 20:52:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CEFE98335D73AC_E54_6A707_webmail-stg-d15.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" tanks for all the info and the review, bill.....i had all of the switches o= n my M13 changed out by R3fx.com=20 (jim rodgers).....he did a quick/wonderful job.....it's weird, with these n= ew switches and the switches on the RANG products, there is no "clank" and i always wonder if i stepped on the switch or not, = that aside, i can zoom around on the M13 really quickly and quietly, i have wanted the TC FLASHBACK since it came out.....at regular price it s= eemed to be a good deal (yes/no)? =20 ----------MB_8CEFE98335D73AC_E54_6A707_webmail-stg-d15.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" tanks for all the info and the revi= ew, bill.....i had all of the switches on my M13 changed out by R3fx.com&nb= sp;

(jim rodgers).....he did a= quick/wonderful job.....it's weird, with these new switches and the switch= es on the RANG products,

there is no "clank" and i = always wonder if i stepped on the switch or not, that aside, i can zoom aro= und on the M13 really quickly and quietly,

i have wanted the TC FLASH= BACK  since it came out.....at regular price it seemed to be a good de= al (yes/no)?


----------MB_8CEFE98335D73AC_E54_6A707_webmail-stg-d15.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 22:03:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEE08183463; Sat, 12 May 2012 22:03:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAMzcrk8yaDaz/2dsb2JhbABDgkaxK4MTCQEBAQMBLVwLAwFCV4giBbl9jXyCQ2MEiGSTDo1S X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,577,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="280707548" X-Originating-IP: [50.104.54.179] X-Previous-IP: 50.104.54.179 Message-Id: <91D40AFA-2943-4223-8E1B-D3D3C3124A13@frontier.com> From: Jeff Shirkey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8CEFE9833518CC7-E54-1990D@webmail-stg-d15.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--76855158 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: TC Flashback delay/Line 6 M series audio mods Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 17:01:53 -0500 References: <3B9992BF-9CD2-45AB-802C-8529141B3BFB@baymoon.com> <8CEFE9833518CC7-E54-1990D@webmail-stg-d15.sysops.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 22:03:04 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--76855158 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > i have wanted the TC FLASHBACK since it came out.....at regular > price it seemed to be a good deal (yes/no)? > > > It's a great sounding, versatile, little delay. The TonePrints are very cool, too. Jeff --Apple-Mail-2--76855158 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

i have wanted the TC FLASHBACK  since it came out.....at regular price it seemed to be a good deal (yes/no)?



It's a great sounding, versatile, little delay. The TonePrints are very cool, too. 

Jeff
--Apple-Mail-2--76855158-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 23:05:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA4C6183463; Sat, 12 May 2012 23:05:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=pzDtbrqUyM2QTz2MKCIkFcjX56uiE444Ub7sxdl4ruI=; b=WpTTI5bej9po8/1eufVqW40o8hqfnrLnyeG1mAOoiIQKdtAlbdGo+AOmjeC2V9FwsY LD7p1d3afUkmzIVyk+vgHzj2eQMwFskzGe9FhdF7ZGd3wocYCQRfQjkP5geDqJZ4bw1d PXbRZtodewCGi9EQV+pWEgrD9gx2IiwMrgqDbRVLeBM3nZ1oetI/fnnWNe+f+TITWJCR TRIrBrb5f1yuVyogLjAEyO/yZkvouitDhCLA9L7dRMaIBMZ8+q/pKYlUvfbT6xqIKesV 8M7Cw4BcPQkAX359SKdH0Rc+T3hnddJSCbgBOdGs1MwciMZxsX/Z620ZFttZ2qC5Qj1V 9V4g== Subject: Re: AUGMENTING Per's Spread Sheet WORDPRESS? References: <4FAD5D51.5070807@gmail.com> <4FAE09C1.2060808@cruzio.com> <4FAE403F.7080603@tiscali.co.uk> <20120512104545.6xdq1sy128k888w4@webmail.musetrap.com> From: Philip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: <20120512104545.6xdq1sy128k888w4@webmail.musetrap.com> Message-Id: <54912FFB-71E6-4C7B-BC25-2F686FA87A52@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 08:05:34 +0900 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 23:05:41 +0000 (UTC) Axe Fx 2 has built-in looping capabilities. Sent from my phone On May 13, 2012, at 12:45 AM, cpr@musetrap.com wrote: > I'm experimenting with WP a little, and I am also interested in some sort o= f db interface. So, I'd be interested in this answer, and for aditional part= icipation in exploring the solutions for this problem. >=20 > Storing this info in a database will allow people to search, sort, and fil= ter the data, and thus increasing it's value tremendously. >=20 > -cpr >=20 > Quoting andy butler : >=20 >> Rick Walker wrote: >>=20 >>> I'd suggest that anyone who has experience with these devices take a lo= ok at his chart >>> and send in an equivalent entry for the devices they own. >>=20 >> ok, done that for Vox VDL-1 as a test case. >>=20 >> I'm wondering if there's a Wordpress plugin which would do this? >> (I've no idea personally, but thought it worth a shot) >>=20 >> In that case it would fit on livelooping .org >>=20 >> andy >> c'mon WordPress guys...you told us WP would do everything ;-) >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 23:15:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA9AD183464; Sat, 12 May 2012 23:15:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FAEEF1E.7050000@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 16:15:42 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Per Boysen CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: AUGMENTING Per Boysen's LOOP PEDAL FEATURE Spread Sheet References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 23:15:50 +0000 (UTC) On 5/12/12 2:50 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Maybe a more educational "Looping School" can be published > atwww.livelooping.org ? What a wonderful idea, Per. Let's look into that. rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 23:32:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BADB1183464; Sat, 12 May 2012 23:32:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FAEF311.2060209@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 16:32:33 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: AUGMENTING Per's Spread Sheet WORDPRESS? References: <20120512104545.6xdq1sy128k888w4@webmail.musetrap.com> In-Reply-To: <20120512104545.6xdq1sy128k888w4@webmail.musetrap.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 23:32:40 +0000 (UTC) All of Chris', Mark's and Andy's suggestions about creating user augmentable databases are excellent but they presume that someone will do all of this work, which, in my experience has frequently proven problematic. I, myself, am more than willing to research, collate the data and reach out to other communities for new data, but I don't have the skill set to augment any of these strategies ("I'm just a caveman lawyer"). I also don't only mean to come off as merely skeptical. _ Any takers to create a WordPress document for such a purpose?_ I suppose if someone started it with merely one product included and then let the community know how to augment it, then we can begin systematically to make it as complete as possible. Your thoughts, gang? ******************************************************************* and a query: Once the material is put into this data base, will it be pretty simple to copy it and post it as a graphic to 1) other websites (notably Loopers Delight, the L.D. Facebook Page 2) Gear, Instrument, Music and Computer Recording magazines? This would be a good thing to do for maximum dissemination and promotion of our community. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 12 23:38:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9869B183463; Sat, 12 May 2012 23:38:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FAEF477.3080306@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 16:38:31 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: iPhone/iPad Loop Manipulator App: Free this weekend only Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 23:38:38 +0000 (UTC) I just downloaded this free iTouch/Phone/Pad app that is a real time loop mangler. It's free this weekend only at the iTunes Store LOOP TWISTER http://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/loop-twister/id505408920?mt=8 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 13 00:38:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E9D8183462; Sun, 13 May 2012 00:38:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Subject: Re: TC Flashback delay/Line 6 M series audio mods From: Mark Hamburg In-Reply-To: <3B9992BF-9CD2-45AB-802C-8529141B3BFB@baymoon.com> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 17:38:11 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <3B9992BF-9CD2-45AB-802C-8529141B3BFB@baymoon.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 00:38:15 +0000 (UTC) On May 12, 2012, at 12:25 PM, William Walker wrote: > To be honest my love affair with Line 6 stuff is all but over. So, what's your replacement for the Line 6 auto swell echo? (I also think I ilke Line 6's dynamic delay better than the dynamic = delay on my TC Nova Delay.)=20 Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 13 00:47:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16DB6183465; Sun, 13 May 2012 00:47:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 672 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sun, 13 May 2012 00:47:51 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=EMajBKSVCYEQD95V8QzAIaMzEPiEEoY1w+iF6ViBBHaueocQGLI7yTcZZoHwHMDZ; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4FAEF311.2060209@cruzio.com> References: <20120512104545.6xdq1sy128k888w4@webmail.musetrap.com> <4FAEF311.2060209@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 20:24:45 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Re: AUGMENTING Per's Spread Sheet WORDPRESS? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec798be91689708f8109b5dbdec373b4238d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 00:47:52 +0000 (UTC) Has anyone suggested Google Docs? https://docs.google.com/ CZ >All of Chris', Mark's and Andy's suggestions about creating user >augmentable databases are excellent >but they presume that someone will do all of this work, which, in my >experience >has frequently proven problematic. > >I, myself, am more than willing to research, collate the data and >reach out to other communities >for new data, but I don't have the skill set to augment any of >these strategies ("I'm just a caveman lawyer"). > >I also don't only mean to come off as merely skeptical. >_ >Any takers to create a WordPress document for such a purpose?_ > >I suppose if someone started it with merely one product included >and then let the community know how to augment it, then we can begin >systematically to make it as complete as possible. > >Your thoughts, gang? > >******************************************************************* > >and a query: Once the material is put into this data base, will it be >pretty simple to copy it and post it as a graphic to >1) other websites (notably Loopers Delight, the L.D. Facebook Page >2) Gear, Instrument, Music and Computer Recording magazines? > >This would be a good thing to do for maximum dissemination and >promotion of our community. > >Rick Walker -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 13 06:01:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDED8183466; Sun, 13 May 2012 06:01:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20120512225905.ykf4b3aids8s44sw@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 22:59:05 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: AUGMENTING Per's Spread Sheet WORDPRESS? References: <20120512104545.6xdq1sy128k888w4@webmail.musetrap.com> <4FAEF311.2060209@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.4) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 06:01:57 +0000 (UTC) I considered it as an option, but I think this material would benefit =20 from being presented in a robust manner, with both formatting and =20 hyperlinking. Google Docs would be good if e just wanted a =20 collaborative editing environment, but out lacks the presentation side =20 of the equation. I'm going to spend some time on sunday night looking into what's =20 available to integrate wordpress and mysql in a way that would help =20 solve this problem. Although, since the database itself will be pretty =20 flat, out wouldn't be too difficult to their together some php/mysql =20 stuff to tackle this. -cpr Quoting Charles Zwicky : > Has anyone suggested Google Docs? > > https://docs.google.com/ > > > CZ > >> All of Chris', Mark's and Andy's suggestions about creating user =20 >> augmentable databases are excellent >> but they presume that someone will do all of this work, which, in =20 >> my experience >> has frequently proven problematic. >> >> I, myself, am more than willing to research, collate the data and =20 >> reach out to other communities >> for new data, but I don't have the skill set to augment any of =20 >> these strategies ("I'm just a caveman lawyer"). >> >> I also don't only mean to come off as merely skeptical. >> _ >> Any takers to create a WordPress document for such a purpose?_ >> >> I suppose if someone started it with merely one product included >> and then let the community know how to augment it, then we can begin >> systematically to make it as complete as possible. >> >> Your thoughts, gang? >> >> ******************************************************************* >> >> and a query: Once the material is put into this data base, will it be >> pretty simple to copy it and post it as a graphic to >> 1) other websites (notably Loopers Delight, the L.D. Facebook Page >> 2) Gear, Instrument, Music and Computer Recording magazines? >> >> This would be a good thing to do for maximum dissemination and >> promotion of our community. >> >> Rick Walker > > > --=20 > > ... > http://www.zmix.net > > http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky > > http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 13 10:12:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B950183455; Sun, 13 May 2012 10:12:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <4FAD5D51.5070807@gmail.com> <4FAE09C1.2060808@cruzio.com> <4FAE3F2D.5030604@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AUGMENTING - Vox VDL-1 data In-Reply-To: <4FAE3F2D.5030604@tiscali.co.uk> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Patrick Bishop X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CEFF081825B284_F68_1C259C_webmail-m008.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 36073-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CEFF08180B8317-F68-8525B@webmail-m008.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [75.11.11.216] Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 06:12:53 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1336903973; bh=fmlwsC+GOCQKW+18ibJz/ziP6u+YOJYJf4IIk+nkKBU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=r1kCm/mxRaT69uS52FSYx9Pcns83dzNYFCtO2BgznmvqiB4QR1YV85EDvD50jcxOY GMN11onzwT66aYctKLcc/7XQu5A2QgQg35QkKIa/baIfCE+IE6pj6e7TR5QG3v9DOt zrqakR3xL7/5XKR1QYf4sDF7zpxSCTquJxGSy0Vg= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:410459328:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338a4faf89252ece Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 10:12:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CEFF081825B284_F68_1C259C_webmail-m008.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I still absolutely love my Vox Looper. One of the best Father's Day Gifts I= have ever bought myself! Kaoss Pad and VDL =3D fun for hours and hours. PJ -----Original Message----- From: andy butler To: Loopers-Delight Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 6:44 am Subject: Re: AUGMENTING - Vox VDL-1 data ok, gonna test this out by experiment. Vox VDL-1 Dynamic Looper Overdub Y Feedback N (except on 2s delay which can have loop synced to it) Undo Y (one layer with Redo independent for 2 tracks) Multiply Y (by resample) Quantize Y (one loop can be exact multiple of the other) Reverse Y ( 2 types ) Midi N Presets Y=20 Sync N Cut'n'Paste slices N Pitch Transposing oct up/down continuous or semitone steps Time stretching Y Tap Tempo Y Max loops instantly accessible 1=20 Parallel loops 2 Tracks 2 Storage N Battery N Memory 90s definitely missed out from chart Stop/Start Y everyone forgets that one ;-) Then there's stuff that might go on a chart, or in a=20 comments section. Mic input XLR no phantom. Good quality guitar input Y Loop Volume (only by resample) Input Volume (on mic, not needed on instrument) Replace/Substitute N Metronome Y (can be silent) Polyrhythmic loops Y (by sync to metronome) Mix Down Y (via Re-sample) Comments Many pre and post fx, but only one of each at a time. Foot pedal for fx control, or swell. Loop and FX both sync-able to tap-time metronome. FX not synced to loop. Perhaps there should be a sound quality rating?? ***** No noticeable change in sound **** Good enough in studio, with care. *** Gig-able ** Try it out * Lo-fi glory in which case the VDL-1 is definitely a ****, maybe a ***** andy =20 ----------MB_8CEFF081825B284_F68_1C259C_webmail-m008.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I still absolutely love my Vox Looper. One of the best Fat= her's Day Gifts I have ever bought myself! Kaoss Pad and VDL =3D fun for ho= urs and hours.

3D":-)"PJ


ok, gonna test this out by experiment.

Vox VDL-1 Dynamic Looper

Overdub Y
Feedback N (except on 2s delay which can have loop synced to it)
Undo Y     (one layer with Redo independent for 2 tracks)
Multiply Y (by resample)
Quantize Y (one loop can be exact multiple of the other)
Reverse Y ( 2 types )
Midi     N
Presets  Y=20
Sync      N
Cut'n'Paste slices N
Pitch Transposing  oct up/down continuous or semitone steps
Time stretching   Y
Tap Tempo    Y
Max loops instantly accessible 1=20
Parallel loops  2
Tracks  2
Storage N
Battery N
Memory 90s

definitely missed out from chart

Stop/Start  Y

everyone forgets that one ;-)


Then there's stuff that might go on a chart, or in a=20
comments section.

Mic input                  XLR no phantom.
Good quality guitar input   Y
Loop Volume (only by resample)
Input Volume (on mic, not needed on instrument)
Replace/Substitute N
Metronome Y (can be silent)
Polyrhythmic loops  Y (by sync to metronome)
Mix Down Y (via Re-sample)


Comments
Many pre and post fx, but only one of each at a time.
Foot pedal for fx control, or swell.
Loop and FX both sync-able to tap-time metronome.
FX not synced to loop.

Perhaps there should be a sound quality rating??

***** No noticeable change in sound
****  Good enough in studio, with care.
***   Gig-able
**    Try it out
*     Lo-fi glory

in which case the VDL-1 is definitely a ****, maybe a *****

andy
----------MB_8CEFF081825B284_F68_1C259C_webmail-m008.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 13 10:13:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60029183466; Sun, 13 May 2012 10:13:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 763821158/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.28.2/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.28.2 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBACyIr09YbRwC/2dsb2JhbAANN7Z7AQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBwUqNfIMmBJcOhFGNSA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,580,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="763821158" Message-ID: <4FAF8954.8020309@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 11:13:40 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AUGMENTING Per's Spread Sheet WORDPRESS? References: <20120512104545.6xdq1sy128k888w4@webmail.musetrap.com> <4FAEF311.2060209@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4FAEF311.2060209@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1QOCdC.A.KX.Hl4rPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 10:13:27 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker wrote: > All of Chris', Mark's and Andy's suggestions about creating user > augmentable databases are excellent > Your thoughts, gang? :-) Well I asked if there's a WordPress plugin that would do the task. If there is, then it's a simple matter to install it. livelooping.org is already a wordpress site. If the data is in database format it's future proof for any way we want to present it. > > ******************************************************************* > > and a query: Once the material is put into this data base, will it be > pretty simple to copy it and post it as a graphic You mean create a graphic banner for a link? andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 13 10:17:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45FF6183460; Sun, 13 May 2012 10:17:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 769567460/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.28.2/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.28.2 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAEeJr09YbRwC/2dsb2JhbAANN7Z7AQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBwU2NfIMmBJtfjUg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,580,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="769567460" Message-ID: <4FAF8A3A.4010608@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 11:17:30 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AUGMENTING Per's Spread Sheet WORDPRESS? References: <4FAD5D51.5070807@gmail.com> <4FAE09C1.2060808@cruzio.com> <4FAE403F.7080603@tiscali.co.uk> <20120512104545.6xdq1sy128k888w4@webmail.musetrap.com> <54912FFB-71E6-4C7B-BC25-2F686FA87A52@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <54912FFB-71E6-4C7B-BC25-2F686FA87A52@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 10:17:16 +0000 (UTC) Philip wrote: > Axe Fx 2 has built-in looping capabilities. can't afford one, even it it does create online databases. ;-) andy ps, you wanna share the feature set of the looper on it? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 13 10:28:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09E32183464; Sun, 13 May 2012 10:28:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 769571190/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.28.2/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.28.2 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvgCAGSLr09YbRwC/2dsb2JhbAANN7I6BASENQQBAQEEOEARCxgJFg8JAwIBAgFFHAGFRQiCJ7lZBI18gyYEm1+NSA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,580,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="769571190" Message-ID: <4FAF8CDE.6090107@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 11:28:46 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AUGMENTING Per's Spread Sheet WORDPRESS? References: <20120512104545.6xdq1sy128k888w4@webmail.musetrap.com> <4FAEF311.2060209@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 10:28:32 +0000 (UTC) Charles Zwicky wrote: > Has anyone suggested Google Docs? > > https://docs.google.com/ yes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 13 13:10:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF97018345C; Sun, 13 May 2012 13:10:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=dfhPa2vh85MyDcU8AeKAn7dzqOUmrTaXmLXIxdP610o=; b=TYWvUqsSDM1K5sTWKYRrVSswURE7qAuIvGs6fedZqIXrMq6ro+NzbNBh4bHFTMbiqH kskyVFeTU59Ev/9Kp6X3yTfUJBe+nvwth4j7uS3eSCaSHEhAfqFEOA6cy0QXf7G0O/sb 1Q8EIhHUFlljShkBWwfSRVS/RHItV+WMP92EpWhv4G9ZVKN8/bgghQY8RugNXYgLNzkw wlmSzVweD19SEiPKaKlvGNjIV9VHXRs1h8HUz+aelEoiabQeBPjX8/qOmFYYmfPjl1Fw KYeZcK9nf0aVMHalQSNP1TEg3NCxMq06w7KVaH14eKoZGG4KzekrPP/BdI/ZIuAYll3j OMJw== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Subject: Re: AUGMENTING Per's Spread Sheet WORDPRESS? From: philip In-Reply-To: <4FAF8A3A.4010608@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 22:10:09 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4FAD5D51.5070807@gmail.com> <4FAE09C1.2060808@cruzio.com> <4FAE403F.7080603@tiscali.co.uk> <20120512104545.6xdq1sy128k888w4@webmail.musetrap.com> <54912FFB-71E6-4C7B-BC25-2F686FA87A52@gmail.com> <4FAF8A3A.4010608@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 13:10:43 +0000 (UTC) I know this sounds really backwards, but I haven't updated to v6 yet. = I'm content with v5.xx The new FW is supposed to have some improved = looping capabilities over the earlier version, but I haven't really = looked into it. I think it is designed for the = loop-a-rhythm-track-and-solo-over-it school of loopage.=E3=80=80=E3=80=80 Guitar is just one of the sound sources that I want to loop and I'm = still working on getting to know my dedicated loopers. I like mangling = lots of minimal loops through different outboard filters and I'm not = particularly interested in "soloing" over anything. But as far as getting great sounds to work with, the AxeFx II is a truly = amazing piece of gear. Thanks to Fractal Audio, I was able to let go of = a lot of expensive tube amps--it more than paid for itself. On May 13, 2012, at 7:17 PM, andy butler wrote: > Philip wrote: >> Axe Fx 2 has built-in looping capabilities. >=20 > can't afford one, even it it does create online databases. >=20 > ;-) >=20 > andy >=20 > ps, you wanna share the feature set of the looper on it? >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 13 13:18:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70778183460; Sun, 13 May 2012 13:18:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=ItxIGlVfMbMw9zRUO2M+HM+1iVza3pOPJf/EEDmGN8k=; b=xdD8sDTBE7kKCzBdj7nL+j1s1WSsNBjz6HSVpShFqEjbO5Gk9DFi5N5WiG4mUt/IGx waNd7vlbh2B5zcSsD18BIZDMbFWNYNCqtf97BWhW0lgckRTz4Dnzey3dY14Pgf4OAtGY ZwlaPZcXleGqJXu4ofmpU6wsLnfwH7FHTEFpXoyRYSC9Niu2PkEzP6ygojBh5/JKqW4H U245bQNGBUB5un1IcZ0ToD9Ymir9yf5x2thkKY5Zg951dilLklBBrHh7pBKkrCCYh2jZ yZuO/G9S+IU97Dn06N5XuRugTKNlcxIxB1D4/Mns+x7b+XfQvQYXWM4CqBfEJq+PWRXe dlrg== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Subject: Re: iPhone/iPad Loop Manipulator App: Free this weekend only From: philip In-Reply-To: <4FAEF477.3080306@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 22:17:49 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9CEC61E7-9FFC-4A29-8035-C12E020CC9D7@gmail.com> References: <4FAEF477.3080306@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 13:18:21 +0000 (UTC) I downloaded too. Can't beat the price. And it is FUN! On May 13, 2012, at 8:38 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > I just downloaded this free iTouch/Phone/Pad app > that is a real time loop mangler. > > It's free this weekend only at the iTunes Store > > > LOOP TWISTER > > http://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/loop-twister/id505408920?mt=8 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 13 14:56:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DB5F18345E; Sun, 13 May 2012 14:56:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 769653189/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.28.2/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.28.2 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBALfKr09YbRwC/2dsb2JhbAANOLZ7AQEBAwE4QAYLCxgJFg8JAwIBAgFFHAGIBbk7jXyDJgSbX41IgVUE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,581,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="769653189" Message-ID: <4FAFCBB8.7070304@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 15:56:56 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Recommendation for multi-fx with long delay References: <5E9F360A-51AA-4BF3-8216-1AD23CA2E79C@baymoon.com> In-Reply-To: <5E9F360A-51AA-4BF3-8216-1AD23CA2E79C@baymoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 14:56:42 +0000 (UTC) William Walker wrote: > The M-9 with a switch upgrade would do the trick, only 2000 mls on the > regular delays but remember ...but I forgot ;-( thanks for reminding, ...downloaded the manual for a look > the looper does have variable feedback so it > could in essence be used as a very long sound on sound delay. right, so it's a contender, but a couple of questions: as I understand it, to change the looper feedback I'd have to 1) hold down tap tempo for 2s to get out of looper mode 2) press 2 buttons together to enter setup 3) leave setup mode by some unspecified action which would no doubt be easy enough to figure 4) hold down tap tempo for 2s to go back to the looper. Is that so? That being said, I might find it ok with fixed FB and slipping out of OD periodically. In the manual, Line6 hint that it's possible to control feedback by expression pedal, but they hint that it would have to be assigned every session. (pedal settings that aren't "saved" are cancelled, and there's no explicit "save" for looper setup) Did you get feedback control action? > I'm > selling mine used for $200 with some extra switches thrown in, tempting, I probably wouldn't go for a new one. Plan A is still to be confident enough on the Vox VDL-1 that I don't need the security net of "doing some ambient". I really like the idea of just turning up with one stompbox, ...but two might be almost as cool. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 13 15:14:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8C99183455; Sun, 13 May 2012 15:14:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6EB9DAA4-A201-4A53-94C2-C92C3660E10E@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-28--14931741 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: TC Flashback delay/Line 6 M series audio mods Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 08:13:57 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <3vnlRC.A.zrC.9-8rPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 15:14:05 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-28--14931741 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "So, what's your replacement for the Line 6 auto swell echo?" Mark, I'm keeping my M-5 and maybe getting another for my looping board, it depends on how good the audio mod sounds, I also have been sounding out a few pedal makers about building a true ADSR in to a pedal. Currently anything that is available and there isn't much, is a knock off of the old boss slow gear which was not particularly flexible at what it did and wasn't a true ADSR like you will find on a high end rack effect. Currently Rodney Davis at Old World Audio, the guy who makes the fabulous 1960 compressor, seems very interested in making one. lately I have put my ernie ball volume pedal back in to the mix and have been using that as well. I think the auto swell volume effect is amazing and really helps me when i'm doing too much multi-tasking with my feet and hands to do volume swells in a conventional way. "(I also think I ilke Line 6's dynamic delay better than the dynamic delay on my TC Nova Delay.) no argument here however , any dynamic (ducking) delay that has some programmability is preferable to me over one that is fixed, I was worried about this with the flash back but I was pleasantly surprised how well it works. The Eventide Time Factor has an amazing dynamic delay that allows for much more extreme ducking settings. some are downright Daffy!!!! I'm hoping they created a tone print with a more radical ducked delay and perhaps some self oscillation capability as well. tanks for all the info and the review, bill.....i had all of the switches on my M13 changed out by R3fx.com (jim rodgers).....he did a quick/wonderful job.....it's weird, with these new switches and the switches on the RANG products, there is no "clank" and i always wonder if i stepped on the switch or not, that aside, i can zoom around on the M13 really quickly and quietly, i have wanted the TC FLASHBACK since it came out.....at regular price it seemed to be a good deal (yes/no)? You got it Scoots, Im glad Jim at R3FX did such a good job i'm really digging the double preset switch I got from him, an excellent alternative to an expression pedal for the Line 6 stuff. I think the TC Flashback is an excellent value, great sound and cool features. Hope they make an aditor available to the masses at some point. Bill --Apple-Mail-28--14931741 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "So, what's your replacement = for the Line 6 auto swell echo?"

 Mark,  I'm keeping my M-5 and maybe getting = another for my looping board, it depends on how good the audio mod = sounds, I also have been sounding out a few pedal makers about building = a true ADSR in to a pedal. Currently anything that is available and = there isn't much, is a knock off of the old boss slow gear which was not = particularly flexible at what it did and wasn't a true ADSR like you = will find on a high end rack effect. Currently Rodney Davis at Old World = Audio, the guy who makes the fabulous 1960 compressor, seems very = interested in making one. lately I have put my ernie ball volume pedal = back in to the mix and have been using that as well. I think the auto = swell volume effect is amazing and really helps me when i'm doing too = much multi-tasking with my feet and hands to do volume swells in a = conventional way. 

"(I also think I ilke Line 6's dynamic delay better = than the dynamic delay on my TC Nova = Delay.) 

no argument here however , = any dynamic (ducking) delay that has some programmability is preferable = to me over one that is fixed, I was worried about this with the flash = back but I was pleasantly surprised how well it works. The Eventide Time = Factor has an amazing dynamic delay that allows for much more extreme = ducking settings. some are downright Daffy!!!! I'm hoping they created a = tone print with a more radical ducked delay and perhaps some self = oscillation capability as well.

tanks for all the info and = the review, bill.....i had all of the switches on my M13 changed out by = R3fx.com 

(jim rodgers).....he did a quick/wonderful = job.....it's weird, with these new switches and the switches on the RANG = products,

there is no "clank" and i always wonder if i stepped = on the switch or not, that aside, i can zoom around on the M13 really = quickly and quietly,

i have wanted the TC FLASHBACK  since = it came out.....at regular price it seemed to be a good deal = (yes/no)?

You got it Scoots, Im glad Jim at R3FX did = such a good job i'm really digging the double preset switch I got from = him, an excellent alternative to an expression pedal for the Line 6 = stuff.  I think the TC Flashback is an excellent value, great sound = and cool features. Hope they make an aditor available to the masses at = some point.
 Bill
= --Apple-Mail-28--14931741-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 13 15:32:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B609183460; Sun, 13 May 2012 15:32:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=jxzWKe9nQ0ndQIXrtRsMacbWmpo0DXqF0pzKYvCt3ws=; b=zf2/kJoWS3c4nFtWLchG3WrlxSxN4yk3SRjJEIm4+QqBVALlk8rczoOsr/AZfytBxv ev5EWGLQJAnhMRqN/KXGTkivOovr2hyKmlsQDLVWXEFaXiCA2zDAPvzxp1BRWGufYnvq CtLEQVmzRYeR/FcEKyBKJ7m8T8P/bO7szUb03tSq7QiBKmw86Mw9ob2VOCTieXxrSQCy ZsGBUqSbiEHa381Ol0O5LqpHhVmJIZHLrpVqIAh/1OdB7buWUFdPBbRz5WV0unAeru5h 3Ryg3YTnerbIaEAyMjKcy5D5DLjih9Y3b+8VcmWvp3XA3IpZ1r49FmCeamQF17NRUtxM G0yw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FAFCBB8.7070304@tiscali.co.uk> References: <5E9F360A-51AA-4BF3-8216-1AD23CA2E79C@baymoon.com> <4FAFCBB8.7070304@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 11:32:21 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Recommendation for multi-fx with long delay From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0444ed59eef49104bfecac0a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 15:32:22 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0444ed59eef49104bfecac0a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I use one of the two ex peds for a dedicated looper feedback/looper volume controller. There is a place where you set and forget that in the menus. The other ex ped for fx parameters. j On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 10:56 AM, andy butler wrote: > William Walker wrote: > >> The M-9 with a switch upgrade would do the trick, only 2000 mls on the >> regular delays but remember >> > > ...but I forgot ;-( > > thanks for reminding, > ...downloaded the manual for a look > > the looper does have variable feedback so it could in essence be used as >> a very long sound on sound delay. >> > > right, so it's a contender, > > but a couple of questions: > > as I understand it, to change the looper feedback I'd have to 1) hold down > tap tempo for 2s to get out of looper mode > 2) press 2 buttons together to enter setup > 3) leave setup mode by some unspecified action which would no doubt be > easy enough to figure > 4) hold down tap tempo for 2s to go back to the looper. > > Is that so? > > That being said, I might find it ok with fixed FB and slipping out of OD > periodically. > > In the manual, Line6 hint that it's possible to control feedback by > expression pedal, > but they hint that it would have to be assigned every session. > (pedal settings that aren't "saved" are cancelled, and there's no explicit > "save" for looper setup) > > Did you get feedback control action? > > > > > I'm selling mine used for $200 with some extra switches thrown in, >> > > tempting, I probably wouldn't go for a new one. > > Plan A is still to be confident enough on the Vox VDL-1 that I don't > need the security net of "doing some ambient". > > I really like the idea of just turning up with one stompbox, ...but two > might be almost as cool. > > > andy > > > > --f46d0444ed59eef49104bfecac0a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I use one of the two ex peds for a dedicated looper feedback/looper volume = controller. There is a place where you set and forget that in the menus. Th= e other ex ped for fx parameters.

j

On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 10:56 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk= > wrote:
William Walker wrote:
The M-9 with a switch upgrade would do the trick, only 2000 mls on the regu= lar delays but remember

...but I forgot ;-(

thanks for reminding,
...downloaded the manual for a look

the looper does have variable feedback so it could in essence be used as a = =A0very long sound on sound delay.

right, so it's a contender,

but a couple of questions:

as I understand it, to change the looper feedback I'd have to 1) hold d= own tap tempo for 2s to get out of looper mode
2) press 2 buttons together to enter setup
3) leave setup mode by some unspecified action which would no doubt be easy= enough to figure
4) hold down tap tempo for 2s to go back to the looper.

Is that so?

That being said, I might find it ok with fixed FB and slipping out of OD periodically.

In the manual, Line6 hint that it's possible to control feedback by exp= ression pedal,
but they hint that it would have to be assigned every session.
(pedal settings that aren't "saved" are cancelled, and there&= #39;s no explicit "save" for looper setup)

Did you get feedback control action?




I'm selling mine used for $200 with some extra switches thrown in,

tempting, I probably wouldn't go for a new one.

Plan A is still to be confident enough on the Vox VDL-1 that I don't need the security net of "doing some ambient".

I really like the idea of just turning up with one stompbox, ...but two mig= ht be almost as cool.


andy




--f46d0444ed59eef49104bfecac0a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 13 15:58:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DAAA18345D; Sun, 13 May 2012 15:58:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=7hhEuIoX0GpLkjNme2cUn+8Nx39Cid0Ynqaqf1mz7/s=; b=p1NyEdkWlaw8U0k2d3KczspoZ8S8G5QqdUUlDIUu8CdO8DXbuOk4MpaKI8S7hpY1qL Ksbncv50BSw7SK/s0mD2a0zeGdSaz1eNS8AMWRV/kmTluE/gk69phcYedg+HoJdfYaQ6 sV01KHIHhpsZZFff3zyBnA2lcQ4JJ16Ro6cD7eco/W5tCHFdqnvhtqUykgDTDIHpgLVL TjrFeenMyyn6c3yBHlIRk5CK/CpAAD5378jns2a5+DEKvrcvfaaOJXB/lNFGcqZHY9dK YYMWtzzUPSnQCtfSkfacyR9phPyiSkUtC1FtZp+ywT+NadfyRUxh8Zk7qvjPyY2eVSCu kRsQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4FAD5D51.5070807@gmail.com> <4FAE09C1.2060808@cruzio.com> <4FAE403F.7080603@tiscali.co.uk> <20120512104545.6xdq1sy128k888w4@webmail.musetrap.com> <54912FFB-71E6-4C7B-BC25-2F686FA87A52@gmail.com> <4FAF8A3A.4010608@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 17:58:20 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: AUGMENTING Per's Spread Sheet WORDPRESS? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 15:58:30 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 3:10 PM, philip wrote: > But as far as getting great sounds to work with, the AxeFx II is a truly amazing piece of gear. Thanks to Fractal Audio, I was able to let go of a lot of expensive tube amps--it more than paid for itself. For a gigging musician I guess it saves a lot of money on flight ticked overweight fees! IMHO a more interesting AxeFx looping option IMHO is to run the looper on a laptop and connect a digital pipe AxeFx <--> laptop. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 13 16:32:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98CCB18345E; Sun, 13 May 2012 16:32:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FAFE205.4020804@theambientping.com> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 12:32:05 -0400 From: PiNG Reply-To: ping@theambientping.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091204 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , Dark Seeds , Drone Deep Chill , Loopers Delight , The Ambient Way Subject: 05.15.12 > The PiNG presents dreamSTATE + Byron Kent Wong + Hector Centeno & Tetsuo Kogawa + General Chaos Visuals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020208.4FAFE20A.0051,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 16:32:11 +0000 (UTC) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 05.15.12 . THE AMBiENT PiNG presents THE RETURN OF THE dreamSTATE DRONE CYCLE 2012 . Part Five . (G#) featuring dreamSTATE with BYRON KENT WONG + an opening set by HECTOR CENTENO and TETSUO KOGAWA featuring transmission art from DEEP WIRELESS + a solo set by BYRON WONG + GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS @ Supermarket . 268 Augusta Ave . Kensington Market just south of College . Map, info and directions at: http://www.supermarkettoronto.com/site/section/contact Tues. May 15th . Doors open at 8:00 . 1st set at 8:30 . $6 Voodoo TV will be broadcasting the PiNG LiVE this Tuesday night! Supermarket audio/video technician Johnny Trelawny has set up a live internet broadcast system VooDoo TV which will be streaming this Tuesday's AMBiENT PiNG event beginning with Hector Centeno's set at 8:30pm sharp EST. Enjoy the ambient flow of audio and pixels. Here's the URL: http://www.livestream.com/voodootv1 8:30 . Hector Centeno + Tetsuo Kogawa . A performance for New Adventures In Sound Art's Deep Wireless Transmission Art Festival featuring Tetsuo Kogawa (Japan) on DVD and Hector Centeno (Mexico/Canada) performing live using no-input micro-radio transmitters creating a theremin like sound. Tetsuo is one of the originators of mini-FM and an international radio art guru. Hector is a sound experimenter who has performed at many NAISA events. 9:15 . dreamSTATE with BYRON KENT WONG . May is our usual Radio in Ambience month which always remind us of our friend, sound explorer and radio pioneer David Pritchard who dreamSTATE and their guest, Byron Kent Wong will be remembering and celebrating during their set as they drone in G#. Byron's previous performances at the PiNG were for the Radio In Ambience shows in 2003 and 2004 when he, David Pritchard and Scott M2 took us on sonic journeys that have long been etched into PiNG lore. 10:15 . Byron Kent Wong . Born in Vancouver, Byron is a Toronto and Los Angeles based producer, musician, director and entrepreneur (Random Media Core Inc., Blue Spark and zero11zero) who also hosted and co-produced CityTV's The NewMusic. As a music and tv/media producer, he has worked with The Crystal Method, The Eurythmics, Delerium, David Usher, David Bowie, Beck, Ben Harper, and many others. Byron, a Genie nominee, started out as an intern at a boutique Toronto recording studio (Sonic Workshop) owned by renowned radio-producer David Pritchard. . GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS . Evolving light paintings, projections, shadows and fog courtesy of the Chaotic duo Stephen Lindsey and Eric Siegerman. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . BETWEEN SETS . We'll be playing music which reminds us of David. Liz Janik (one of the last daytime DJs to program their own music at CFNY - a station where David was the original program director) will be in the house to introduce the dreamSTATE set and during the first intermission will be projecting some of her "interdimensional photos" scored with music by David Pritchard. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . COMiNG SOON: . TUESDAY JUNE 12th 2012 . The Return of the dreamSTATE DRONE CYCLE 2012 . Part Six . (G) featuring dreamSTATE with ODRADEK plus a set by ODRADEK + projections by GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS @ Supermarket . 268 Augusta Ave . Kensington Market just south of College . Map, info and directions at: http://www.supermarkettoronto.com/site/section/contact PiNG doors open at 8 . 1st set at 9:00 . $6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . FREE DOWNLOAD Various Artists - "Quiet Drones 4 - Ambient Mega-Mix" from the Paper+Sound Soundcloud page: http://soundcloud.com/paper-sound/various-artists_quiet-drones-4 A 30 minute super-ambient mix of all four tracks by Heiki from the fourth compilation in the Quiet Drones series. The tracks have been mega mixed into one long continuous mix by paper+sound label head Heiki Sillaste. Individual tracks are available from: http://www.paperplusound.com/ 1 Atonement "Winter Isolation" 2 Chromosphere "Thunder & Snow" 3 dreamSTATE vs. Heiki "Lost Expedition" 4 Kalte "Offworld" "Quiet Drones 4" is the latest installment in the continuing compilation series of experimental ambient drone music. This edition focuses on the theme of winter cold. The four pieces on "Quiet Drones 4", all attempt to create a detached and frigid environment for the listener. The four extended pieces stretch the boundaries of deep listening music, with the average length of each track hovering over the eight minute mark. This is icy music that over time, reveals multiple hidden layers of textures and tones. Quiet Drones 4 presents otherworldly and frozen sounds coaxed from unidentified sources. Compiled by Heiki Sillaste who has collected exclusive beatless tracks from ATONEMENT, CHROMOSPHERE, dreamSTATE vs. HEIKI and KALTE. Find out more at the Paper+Sound blog: http://www.paperplusound.com/wordpress/?p=1802 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a Toronto based creative community of audio artists, performers, musicians and visual artists. The PiNG presents live multimedia performances featuring ambient, electronic, soundscape, space, drone, psychedelic, chillout, downtempo, darkwave and experimental artists from around the world. http://www.theambientping.com The PiNG also has a Twitter account to send you advance updates and reminders of the when & where of future PiNG events. Just search for ambientping to find us. http://twitter.com We're also on facebook too, again just search THE AMBiENT PiNG. http://www.facebook.com ViSiT the ping things store for ambient, electronic and chill things: http://www.pingthings.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any interested friends or appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 13 16:59:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74F4C18345D; Sun, 13 May 2012 16:59:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 769693323/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.28.2/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.28.2 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAC/or09YbRwC/2dsb2JhbAANOLZ7AQEBBDhRCxgJJQ8CRhwBwTWNfIMmBJtfjUg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,581,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="769693323" Message-ID: <4FAFE863.40106@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 17:59:15 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Recommendation for multi-fx with long delay References: <5E9F360A-51AA-4BF3-8216-1AD23CA2E79C@baymoon.com> <4FAFCBB8.7070304@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 16:59:19 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Duke wrote: > I use one of the two ex peds for a dedicated looper feedback/looper > volume controller. There is a place where you set and forget that in the > menus. The other ex ped for fx parameters. thanx Jeff. The M9 looks like a good option. Would mean adding 2 expression pedals tho' (one FB, one swell) ...which is getting away from the very small rig concept. (don't know if I can survive with auto-swell) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 13 18:21:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 086D018345D; Sun, 13 May 2012 18:21:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=wDjbj+nbYUOOiMNiLJnIyaaEDiVb8UO0wmK8VD/jUQ4=; b=wkEyNKGXVLJzfRB4afLN59tIzlo5JjDDZNaxKB7/l3m7hgorewcD/b2H69uXWYNH0J 6R93I0NHBDxsCgw06+W45YZ0It++Yzs9fyqJISkEuBeNSFLci8Mdi9/n288r5Xmq4GNN SjI4bB683lb1caSBDE02Q7pFpIqyXNk2Y9e1YaworwJiMhJ1ACmSZL5aSoU3rLfzIV5+ IU2URoMXQtlv5mM05NE+c1ugGHMaZgRtSwqhPdiQ4sCaK8f6KtFmAooxkYLxm0yJjRzf SHc/NHWnhYSqBV8fZjW/RPOA8ejS/zkIsYjhP+RfDSe/80i6A1zP9lEK3n3pY8S1GHZ6 45mw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 13:21:40 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Recommendation for multi-fx with long delay From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043bdf2075755004bfef0ae1 Resent-Message-ID: <0Qnyy.A.ndE.1u_rPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 18:21:41 +0000 (UTC) --f46d043bdf2075755004bfef0ae1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 yes, the zoom g3-has 5 sec of delay. not sure if it's great. you can' t modulate the time or anything. it just stops and resets to new time. i've used the looper once in it. it's easy to use. basic. the old digitech rp100 (small) had 2 sec of delay which i loved for glitchy goodness. some people had lots of +/- about it's amp models sound, this is from 2000 though, i thought it was good. the upgraded rp155 series (there was the 150 also)-these are all the smaller of the multi-effects-it upgraded to 5 sec of delay. i didn't think it was as good as the rp100. it could glitch and all,but just didn't seem to do well w/ the full 5 sec i thought. (although better than the zoom g2 series) didn't someone once say that the vox multieffect unit thing from a few yrs ago had 10 sec of delay on it? can't remember the model #s, i almost bought one once when someone raved about it on here. i dont' have much experience w/ other multi-effects units-never had a boss unit-never had any korg units. i do think that when you get multi-effect unit-the delay in it, is sort of a bonus if it has any features that can be exploited. they are usually pretty basic. if you're needing a long delay i would think just going w/ the boss dd20 (23 sec) would be worth it. i've debated getting one again. i stil like my digitech dl8, i use if for the 8 sec of delay and do love it--when you manipulate the time it does more of the glitchy/warp vs holding notes and varispeed/pitch shift up or down... i sort of dream that maybe someday digitech will rerelease and updated pds8000 maybe w/ some expanded time to do those fun bill frisell varispeed things....i can dream. good luck! s--- --f46d043bdf2075755004bfef0ae1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
yes, the zoom g3-has 5 sec of delay. not sure if it's great. you c= an' t modulate the time or anything. it just stops and resets to new ti= me. i've used the looper once in it. it's easy to use. basic.
the old digitech rp100 (small) had 2 sec of delay which i loved for gl= itchy goodness. some people had lots of +/- about it's amp models sound= , this is from 2000 though, i thought it was good.
the upgraded r= p155 series (there was the 150 also)-these are all the smaller of the multi= -effects-it upgraded to 5 sec of delay. i didn't think it was as good a= s the rp100.
it could glitch and all,but just didn't seem to do well w/ the ful= l 5 sec i thought. (although better than the zoom g2 series)
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didn't someone once say that the vox multieffect unit thing f= rom a few yrs ago had 10 sec of delay on it? can't remember the model #= s, i almost bought one once when someone raved about it on here.
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i dont' have much experience w/ other multi-effects = units-never had a boss unit-never had any korg units.
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i do think that when you get multi-effect unit-the delay in it, is sort = of a bonus if it has any features that can be exploited. they are usually p= retty basic.
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if you're needing a long delay i would think just go= ing w/ the boss dd20 (23 sec) would be worth it. i've debated getting o= ne again.
i stil like my digitech dl8, i use if for the 8 sec of = delay and do love it--when you manipulate the time it does more of the glit= chy/warp vs holding notes and varispeed/pitch shift up or down...
i sort of dream that maybe someday digitech will rerelease and updated= pds8000 maybe w/ some expanded time to do those fun bill frisell varispeed= things....i can dream.
good luck!
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--f46d043bdf2075755004bfef0ae1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 13 18:46:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04977183462; Sun, 13 May 2012 18:46:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 763986162/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.28.2/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.28.2 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAMsAsE9YbRwC/2dsb2JhbAANOLZ7AQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYgFuTSNfIMmBJtfjUg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,581,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="763986162" Message-ID: <4FB0017D.3010205@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 19:46:21 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Recommendation for multi-fx with long delay References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 18:46:06 +0000 (UTC) thanx Scott, lots of info here Scott Hansen wrote: > i do think that when you get multi-effect unit-the delay in it, is sort > of a bonus if it has any features that can be exploited. they are > usually pretty basic. basic would do it, but loooong, and at least to do something v.close to FB=100% > > if you're needing a long delay i would think just going w/ the boss dd20 > (23 sec) would be worth it. hoping to find something that has a swell pedal attached. > good luck! ta andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 14 02:24:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1902183464; Mon, 14 May 2012 02:24:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FB06CE4.7030307@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 19:24:36 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andy butler CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: AUGMENTING Per's Spread Sheet WORDPRESS? References: <4FAF8954.8020309@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4FAF8954.8020309@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000808010408030507080205" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 02:24:44 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000808010408030507080205 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 5/13/12 3:13 AM, andy butler wrote: >> and a query: Once the material is put into this data base, will it be >> pretty simple to copy it and post it as a graphic > > You mean create a graphic banner for a link? > > andy No, to be able to send it to magazines as a graphic (tif, gif, .jpeg, et. al.) for print publication ultimately. R. --------------000808010408030507080205 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 5/13/12 3:13 AM, andy butler wrote:
and a query:    Once the material is put into this data base, will it be
pretty simple to copy it and post it as a graphic

You mean create a graphic banner for a link?

andy
 

No,  to be able to send it to magazines as a graphic (tif, gif, .jpeg, et. al.)
for print publication ultimately.

R.
 --------------000808010408030507080205-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 14 09:49:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83C10183454; Mon, 14 May 2012 09:49:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 761736699/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.29.109/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.29.109 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAEPUsE9YbR1t/2dsb2JhbAANN7cCAQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBwkeNfIMmBJtfjUiBXg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,585,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="761736699" Message-ID: <4FB0D554.6090609@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 10:50:12 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AUGMENTING Per's Spread Sheet WORDPRESS? References: <4FAF8954.8020309@tiscali.co.uk> <4FB06CE4.7030307@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4FB06CE4.7030307@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3dNyKB.A.wHD.EVNsPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 09:49:56 +0000 (UTC) hi Rick, I'm willing to bow to your superior knowledge of publicity matters, but I can't see how sending a large table as a graphic is going to work any more than you'd send a press release like that. Should you want to it's possible, but the results depend on method, and I kind of think any magazine would want to format any tables themselves to fit their layout and aesthetic. Unless you mean a screenshot? just to give a feel how it looks. Hit (or Mac equvalent) open your graphic editor paste as new image trim out bit you want save as tif or gif (*not* jpeg, it'll look bad) attach to email, rather than pasting it in (to stop the email software re-sizing and compressing it) If email software insists on re-sizing the pic, (and they can do this) you need to put the graphic in .zip archive before attaching. andy Rick Walker wrote: > On 5/13/12 3:13 AM, andy butler wrote: >>> and a query: Once the material is put into this data base, will it be >>> pretty simple to copy it and post it as a graphic >> >> You mean create a graphic banner for a link? >> >> andy > > > No, to be able to send it to magazines as a graphic (tif, gif, .jpeg, > et. al.) > for print publication ultimately. > > R. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 14 15:18:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DAFB18345E; Mon, 14 May 2012 15:18:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=5b4dZtfUcTctGynQfbPstEysZqdxOxyo9KVr2O9swfU=; b=QugTXkGORjEcvGhXYUE1TPXCbVsMINP28ucl6MIkG6EyeaoNc+ByO8I5RGxI7NPxoy 9aG/AX58v3sZP0cs/NBzyM8NwoFUKA1chTiMVe3IO+eNEiJfPrtHbh3yQaN/KWjJYcUq Zl4FtkkywiACXc3Rvh4QlW/15Rn9JE/623TnycRbo5YPMVRct9T/1g/IqPATfvxwntjT 23mdJ3ni62zlGPIZ3/TWBQOznkUTGGqiMAFHTkiWg/FbPU9r03HhGOsGl3WZe3d2oOEX 8JBiyuu16BAG0iLsEPYsoStX0iraSMF/0sVE66JKTP1FdsfV7YO0SqhIebqJqfVeh3L3 SYHw== Message-ID: <4FB12223.70803@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 17:17:55 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 3 million hits with livelooping References: <4F985CEE.2030202@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4F985CEE.2030202@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 15:18:00 +0000 (UTC) Am 25.04.12 22:22, schrieb andy butler: > It takes skill and effort to make them of course. Those who didn't like it, didn't see that fact it seems... If you browse through his other videos including some "how to's" its evident, that his skills are the result of hard work. And he has fun to share it... Its not the music, its something else which attracts me. Its this attitude of a child playing a game just for fun. He believes he is cool, and it seems at least 10% of those who came across it agree to it (or it would not create so many hits), which in turn keeps him going... That these sunglasses are mega uncool, which I would agree to as well, does not diminish my respect for his work as such. If he is an important artist is questionable, but for sure he is a damn good entertainer and entertainment is an art form of its own. Don't mix it up with music... Stefan -- Les Ondes Memorielles--------x-- -_____-----------|-----------|-- -(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- - _|_)----|-----()-------------- ---------()----------TJ Shredder http://tjshredder.wordpress.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 14 23:01:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11B7018345E; Mon, 14 May 2012 23:01:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 492 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 14 May 2012 23:01:37 UTC Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0169044571==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120514225319.7488.42872.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 18:53:20 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: OT: Kim Flint Shirts Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 23:01:37 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0169044571== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello!=20Can=20I=20still=20get=20a=20Kim=20Flint=20t-shirt?=20Even=20though= =20I=20just=20discovered=20Looper's=20Delight=20 three=20months=20ago,=20I,=20in=20a=20sort=20of=20indirect=20way,=20miss=20= Kim=20Flint.=20So,=20I=20am=20wondering=20 if=20I=20can=20still=20get=20a=20shirt. Tyler=20Z --===============0169044571==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 15 00:50:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99D9A18345C; Tue, 15 May 2012 00:50:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20120514225319.7488.42872.levelstar.mail@everest> References: <20120514225319.7488.42872.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 17:50:00 -0700 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Violet Xoxox Subject: Re: OT: Kim Flint Shirts Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 00:50:05 +0000 (UTC) At 6:53 PM -0400 5/14/12, Tyler wrote: >Hello! Can I still get a Kim Flint t-shirt? Yes. They're really good quality, too. Violet xoxox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 15 00:50:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D6D8183462; Tue, 15 May 2012 00:50:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=zn4GSVYxvRtvGCS1l4Hf5QNKUC94yxhPG36WuudY9tU=; b=XDre1yEpilW0QwUSRVF0IJayCxXgsE3/jhNVGMfhdK9RiHdJs6BaNbdbKokOVy9n7y jnwfCr10MQuNmGOJmeEmW4BbZOHbbU6GQnzuq9D6KQp/2W/94PuP1bv2x4QwYdMwN8Wz JGTMy88NJc0HozvVqPUrhQDFxTOL/vvk+veCnmuUmnK3YkRQRiinFSdhLbH/DA0qqi+0 DZtbcURuu3JYjVm3TVNE2hiyJUsxs4emywNaxAJfj3YLnSgDOH0pisPSf05sZcSlfh0Y FBOv3dwDc7vZDb0UwCwYmLklyTWqSvGDjL9NvrfPP2rjV7+BI5a9ayCPs4MDoVCMPI5w 8xWg== Subject: Re: OT: Kim Flint Shirts References: <20120514225319.7488.42872.levelstar.mail@everest> From: Todd Reynolds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 20:50:48 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 00:50:55 +0000 (UTC) I can attest to that. And now I wanna order two more as well. Sent from my iPhone On May 14, 2012, at 8:50 PM, Violet Xoxox wrote: > At 6:53 PM -0400 5/14/12, Tyler wrote: >> Hello! Can I still get a Kim Flint t-shirt? > > Yes. They're really good quality, too. > > Violet > xoxox > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 15 00:53:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16CEF183464; Tue, 15 May 2012 00:53:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20120514225319.7488.42872.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 17:53:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Violet Xoxox Subject: Re: OT: Kim Flint Shirts Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <05gYoD.A.w5C.FkasPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 00:53:25 +0000 (UTC) Yay! I forgot to mention that they have a lot more fine detail IRL, too. V. xoxox At 8:50 PM -0400 5/14/12, Todd Reynolds wrote: >I can attest to that. And now I wanna order two more as well. > >Sent from my iPhone > >On May 14, 2012, at 8:50 PM, Violet Xoxox wrote: > >> At 6:53 PM -0400 5/14/12, Tyler wrote: >>> Hello! Can I still get a Kim Flint t-shirt? >> >> Yes. They're really good quality, too. >> >> Violet >> xoxox >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 15 02:52:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DFC418345C; Tue, 15 May 2012 02:52:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ewfE0AFKRaCyMZO0R8sX9yytQv9VDjmXaukKyG6PUeY=; b=pfMOI2rulsjMLiIeQDTZsun1K7rqG8dmHBRp1k9EqCzyVP9bsvr5vKi12LB83yRoJE utvIUHlJn0QmHABJxHkbAWg6Ut9q8wDs1stl14jDSJoTOk8T4zxXDRPG1BsluuFJ2rMC VPiGoYUBgToXKAdhaK0qXWB0MiAa6u/76M/ZU7PlTNqZlVhD2aQa8Qf+4mTPHxGKHm0B EtN6kxPEvI85VswMj1PajqTFTqjco3KsH+ENJafXSogSUeG8gMrJGEIsRrd7u3B46aTj pwZHBBsi0VaEnRCL2/OUpEZj1ebS5er7YKTxIbNbLLAPHlukwz5P+WPLaOuFrW+WyX88 x3sw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 21:52:10 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: AUGMENTING - Vox VDL-1 data From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d59ebeffe5d604c00a49b8 Resent-Message-ID: <8Pq1XD.A.TuD.bTcsPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 02:52:12 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d59ebeffe5d604c00a49b8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i couldn't spec all the details of the vox dynamic looper (VDL-1), but i had one for about a month of so, and i've been listening to the recordings of it, and honest to god i think it is one of the best "phrase sample based" loopers i've played. some may be put off that it only had 90 total sec of looping (i think they divide it up as 45 sec for loop A and 45 sec of loop B-which on those you can over dub infinitely, but have to stay w/in the 45 sec length of 1st loop), but i think it's mainly that you can process the loops after you create them---slow down, speed up, pitch up or down were my faves...and of course the stutter option was kind of cool as was the scrum (which i'm still not sure exactly what it did, but it sounded so cool). i think when i was messing w/ it in my short time, it didn't really wow me (ok, i'm a moron!), but honestly it could do some fun things. i know people seem to get hung up on the "loop time", and for me coming from delay based looping where i use maybe 8 sec at the most on my digitech dl8 (usually using 1 or 2 sec lately). i just thought it was a great idea creator---of course this is after the fact of the recordings i did w/ it, and have been listening to those for the last month or so...couple that w/ the fact that i was using the boss dd7 -the 2nd time i've had one of those---man that thing is a great noise maker, love the way it could make whacky 3 sec noise loops and warp/mangle in an odd way (perfect holding notes-no, but that was the fun). so like an idiot i got rid of that.... i'll never learn....although i've been back w/ my digitech DL8 and it's been serving me well....i'm a simpleton... oh, the vox looper is made to be on the floor-but i used it at table height, worked fine for me, it did take up some space, but....oh well.... i'm sure this isn't the last time i've made dumb decisions....onward to my next dumb decision.... s---- ------------------------------ I still absolutely love my Vox Looper. One of the best Father's Day Gifts I have ever bought myself! Kaoss Pad and VDL = fun for hours and hours. [image: :-)]PJ -----Original Message----- From: andy butler To: Loopers-Delight Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 6:44 am Subject: Re: AUGMENTING - Vox VDL-1 data ok, gonna test this out by experiment. Vox VDL-1 Dynamic Looper Overdub Y Feedback N (except on 2s delay which can have loop synced to it) Undo Y (one layer with Redo independent for 2 tracks) Multiply Y (by resample) Quantize Y (one loop can be exact multiple of the other) Reverse Y ( 2 types ) Midi N Presets Y Sync N Cut'n'Paste slices N Pitch Transposing oct up/down continuous or semitone steps Time stretching Y Tap Tempo Y Max loops instantly accessible 1 Parallel loops 2 Tracks 2 Storage N Battery N Memory 90s definitely missed out from chart Stop/Start Y everyone forgets that one ;-) Then there's stuff that might go on a chart, or in a comments section. Mic input XLR no phantom. Good quality guitar input Y Loop Volume (only by resample) Input Volume (on mic, not needed on instrument) Replace/Substitute N Metronome Y (can be silent) Polyrhythmic loops Y (by sync to metronome) Mix Down Y (via Re-sample) Comments Many pre and post fx, but only one of each at a time. Foot pedal for fx control, or swell. Loop and FX both sync-able to tap-time metronome. FX not synced to loop. Perhaps there should be a sound quality rating?? ***** No noticeable change in sound **** Good enough in studio, with care. *** Gig-able ** Try it out * Lo-fi glory in which case the VDL-1 is definitely a ****, maybe a ***** andy --0016e6d59ebeffe5d604c00a49b8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i couldn't spec all the details of the vox dynamic looper (VDL-1),= but i had one for about a month of so, and i've been listening to the = recordings of it, and honest to god i think it is one of the best "phr= ase sample based" loopers i've played. some may be put off that it= only had 90 total sec of looping (i think they divide it up as 45 sec for = loop A and 45 sec of loop B-which on those you can over dub infinitely, but= have to stay w/in the 45 sec length of 1st loop), but i think it's mai= nly that you can process the loops after you create them---slow down, speed= up, pitch up or down were my faves...and of course the stutter option was = kind of cool as was the scrum (which i'm still not sure exactly what it= did, but it sounded so cool). i think when i was messing w/ it in my short= time, it didn't really wow me (ok, i'm a moron!), but honestly it = could do some fun things. i know people seem to get hung up on the "lo= op time", and for me coming from delay based looping where i use maybe= 8 sec at the most on my digitech dl8 (usually using 1 or 2 sec lately). i = just thought it was a great idea creator---of course this is after the fact= of the recordings i did w/ it, and have been listening to those for the la= st month or so...couple that w/ the fact that i was using the boss dd7 -the= 2nd time i've had one of those---man that thing is a great noise maker= , love the way it could make whacky 3 sec noise loops and warp/mangle in an= odd way (perfect holding notes-no, but that was the fun).
so like an idiot i got rid of that....
i'll never learn.= ...although i've been back w/ my digitech=A0DL8 and it's been servi= ng me well....i'm a simpleton...
oh, the vox looper is made t= o be on the floor-but i used it at table height, worked fine for me, it did= take up some space, but....oh well....
i'm sure this isn't the last time i've made dumb decisions= ....onward to my next dumb decision....
s----
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I sti= ll absolutely love my Vox=20 Looper. One of the best Father's Day Gifts I have ever bought myself! K= aoss Pad=20 and VDL =3D fun for hours and hours.=20

3D":-)"PJ


-----= Original=20 Message-----
From: andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>
To:=20 Loopers-Delight <= Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Sat, May=20 12, 2012 6:44 am
Subject: Re: AUGMENTING - Vox VDL-1 data

ok, gonna test this out by experiment.

Vox VDL-1 Dynamic Looper

Overdub Y
Feedback N (except on 2s delay which can have loop synced to it)
Undo Y     (one layer with Redo independent for 2 tracks)
Multiply Y (by resample)
Quantize Y (one loop can be exact multiple of the other)
Reverse Y ( 2 types )
Midi     N
Presets  Y=20
Sync      N
Cut'n'Paste slices N
Pitch Transposing  oct up/down continuous or semitone steps
Time stretching   Y
Tap Tempo    Y
Max loops instantly accessible 1=20
Parallel loops  2
Tracks  2
Storage N
Battery N
Memory 90s

definitely missed out from chart

Stop/Start  Y

everyone forgets that one ;-)


Then there's stuff that might go on a chart, or in a=20
comments section.

Mic input                  XLR no phantom.
Good quality guitar input   Y
Loop Volume (only by resample)
Input Volume (on mic, not needed on instrument)
Replace/Substitute N
Metronome Y (can be silent)
Polyrhythmic loops  Y (by sync to metronome)
Mix Down Y (via Re-sample)


Comments
Many pre and post fx, but only one of each at a time.
Foot pedal for fx control, or swell.
Loop and FX both sync-able to tap-time metronome.
FX not synced to loop.

Perhaps there should be a sound quality rating??

***** No noticeable change in sound
****  Good enough in studio, with care.
***   Gig-able
**    Try it out
*     Lo-fi glory

in which case the VDL-1 is definitely a ****, maybe a *****

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--0016e6d59ebeffe5d604c00a49b8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 15 03:44:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3841C183463; Tue, 15 May 2012 03:44:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0914271796==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120515034407.9312.8137.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 23:44:09 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: freeloops.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 03:44:13 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0914271796== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello,=20loopers!=20Before=20I=20even=20became=20a=20looper,=20I=20happened= =20upon=20freeloops.com,=20but=20I=20 didn't=20look=20at=20it,=20because=20I=20thought=20it=20was=20going=20to=20= have=20a=20whole=20bunch=20of=20Adobe=20Flash=20stuff=20(I=20 don't=20know=20where=20I=20got=20that=20idea).=20But=20today,=20I=20remembe= red=20the=20site=20I=20found=20in=20late=202009=20that=20I=20 never=20visited,=20just=20read=20about.=20This=20site=20freeloops.com=20has= =20a=20forum=20(which=20I=20didn't=20join;=20 Looper's=20Delight=20is=20the=20forum=20for=20all=20looping=20needs),=20but= =20that=20is=20a=20teeny-tiny,=20very=20forgetable=20part=20of=20 it.=20On=20the=20home=20page,=20Freeloops=20has=20a=20bunch=20of=20loop=20g= enres,=20some=20are=20styles=20(like=20"pop=20 rock"=20"Latin"=20and=20much=20more),=20some=20are=20instruments=20(like=20= "drum",=20"guitar",=20and=20"keyboard").=20On=20the=20 site,=20there=20are=20sound=20samples,=20available=20in=20mp3=20and=20wav= =20format.=20Some=20of=20them=20are=20beats=20that=20you=20can=20 put=20in=20the=20background=20of=20a=20song,=20for=20example.=20They=20are= =20categorized=20by=20genre,=20instrument,=20and=20even=20 tempo=20of=20the=20beat,=20sometimes!=20They=20are=20free=20for=20anyone=20= to=20use=20and=20to=20sample,=20and=20it=20truly=20is=20another=20 looper's=20delight.=20Three=20different=20sites=20now!=20Looper's=20Delight= =20for=20chatting=20with=20other=20loopers,=20 Livelooping=20for=20reading=20the=20latest=20loop=20news=20and=20advice,=20= and=20Freeloops=20for=20downloading=20 prerecorded=20samples=20for=20your=20looper=20system. Tyler=20Z --===============0914271796==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 15 08:02:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC43918345D; Tue, 15 May 2012 08:02:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 762162751/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.17.183/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.17.183 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAPMLsk9YbRG3/2dsb2JhbAANN7cWAQEBAwE4QAYLCxgJFg8JAwIBAgFFHAGIBbsRjWyDJgSbX41I X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,592,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="762162751" Message-ID: <4FB20D9C.2020600@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 09:02:36 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AUGMENTING - Vox VDL-1 data References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 08:02:38 +0000 (UTC) Scott Hansen wrote: > i couldn't spec all the details of the vox dynamic looper (VDL-1), no, worries, we have that covered (LDers know more about it than Vox) let's hear about your VDL-1 specific tricks > only had 90 total sec of looping (i think they divide it up as 45 sec > for loop A and 45 sec of loop B- total loop time 90s max loop length (if available mem remains) is 80s there's also another full 90s of memory to handle Undo/Redo >which on those you can over dub > infinitely, ...it's in the Vox publicity in big letters but no, you can't do that. 1) feedback when overdubbing is 100% 2) sound quality degrades seriously by 20 overdubs > course the stutter option was kind of cool syncs if you use metronome >as was the scrum (which i'm > still not sure exactly what it did, but it sounded so cool). Scram it plays repeated small chunks of the loop over and over, gradually moving the start point forward. When you move the pedal you move the startpoint for the chunks to a corresponding point in the loop. Chunksize varied by the edit knob (try it :-) Also, don't forget to try out the onboard delay and vary the time while it's repeating. (hold down "PRE FX" button and turn the edit knob, or if there's no loop running use the tap time) Those squeakly warble sounds work well if looped and treated with Scram. Currently I'm using the delay synced to the metronome(sound turned down) and messing with it till I get a nice loop, then making a (synced) recording of it. (pullback the pedal to clear out the delay as playback of the loop starts). andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 15 16:47:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25AC0183455; Tue, 15 May 2012 16:47:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=9XQEz88h2qGBmoBFXyw/BoFs3ez+j/dpeQcecbHSb90=; b=g9yPgvXikyRb9bbgLr2xD46IAjvh3UPHencw8Eo2A/dgAL3XivcCaoNW+7LO8kIrNB c+dTyrwQqn3nuf5tiocS8511zM6aawUvFEgxnL3u/oXUyYijQvjqjQVVFqpz6RXOThLY qqXvTxBCQght6qtUA684v9pGeEJ8S3k4KjwcEAuZ1KAoSu3Nd8Eh+C/XqQlSza0a62/H 0a36vqESElNMx47lugKlSkY3dM7iSfvel/i7o69oUmouCwNXgZnRE6Gt8m41H03T3t6B E1C7Ok0OKEpt8xWfo0ImmCqmLTjskzdteMTLARwXmmhSLUhwL8bccsWh4hmi6axwZEjQ vd4w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 09:47:48 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: OT: Space music on my radio program From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 16:47:50 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, I don't often post about my radio program/podcast "The World of Wonder", since it's now a weekly thing. This week I have a theme that may be dear to your many hearts (or many of your hearts) - we're doing space music. Not any particular genre of space music, just lots of stuff that makes you feel like you're in space or has a space theme, ranging from the 1950s to today. It all starts with "The Adventures of Captain Ron and His Spacecat Fluffy", a mock serial radio drama that my dad with his neighbor in about 1980. It's tonight at midnight PDT (UTC-7) at http://savekusf.org/listen-to-kusf-in-exile ...and it will appear later this week on my podcast page (http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com). That page has an archive of 4 trailing episodes. The show focuses on a wide variety of unusual music, including experimental, indie rock, international, etc -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 15 17:45:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78AE2183453; Tue, 15 May 2012 17:45:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=2ATxcvUQNsZ5ZkILNKDACpzqxjOWB94RSvf6F5zum5w=; b=M+YmodI7wYh5CBX/0lNoDy5DxL3Q3bAGxWtw6A82nXXTzf9nlMRUgtls7Ea3lnGSeq 7gHDzfbjPrRX5s5yPSH9kbZMVrryqy1ZgQXz3oySn2kBTHUb6F7ycZI5PFp4yOkAv6KW N3KpxPvPnwasnfM4ymsImI4ZiuzUnJXWbKRpfDE5pNxTI/u41hdwPd4+LmntE/J33+PC B4K9N3aSgMM/6wnuyi1X6mviUT2BSRum2EXjYzzVXM16Zqg8iqWkKtM1uYZlN74nF8JZ WwIRnASuu47Y4pBnS/igAic53lSRqsguomNVwwDHTNN62Z8BUf8JrwKXElBO09wXNedS PBdw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 19:45:07 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Space music on my radio program From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 17:45:08 +0000 (UTC) SUBSCRIBED! :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:47 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > Hi all, > > I don't often post about my radio program/podcast "The World of > Wonder", since it's now a weekly thing. This week I have a theme that > may be dear to your many hearts (or many of your hearts) - we're doing > space music. Not any particular genre of space music, just lots of > stuff that makes you feel like you're in space or has a space theme, > ranging from the 1950s to today. It all starts with "The Adventures of > Captain Ron and His Spacecat Fluffy", a mock serial radio drama that > my dad with his neighbor in about 1980. > > It's tonight at midnight PDT (UTC-7) at > http://savekusf.org/listen-to-kusf-in-exile > > ...and it will appear later this week on my podcast page > (http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com). That page has an archive of 4 > trailing episodes. The show focuses on a wide variety of unusual > music, including experimental, indie rock, international, etc > > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 15 22:56:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EB3818345B; Tue, 15 May 2012 22:56:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0914271796==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120515225606.25318.8137.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 18:56:28 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Looper's Delight donation Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 22:56:36 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0914271796== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello.=20If=20I=20go=20to=20the=20Looper's=20Delight=20website=20and=20dona= te=20money,=20will=20it=20go=20to=20good=20use?=20Or=20 is=20that=20an=20old=20outdated=20button=20from=202006? Tyler=20Z --===============0914271796==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 02:31:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A34B318345B; Wed, 16 May 2012 02:31:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:subject:from:to:cc:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer; bh=winwnMHZF2HLdFBgiI/ahQx1pcgwFkrT3iU21qH1Gs0=; b=bHLlowmpsvTq3Juyz/VphiQxExwghy/dOdPFmTyu1sGuhZOlle1cndZ/CX0/CEeSBh R6b/8SYTRtk7c9n9un1kYU3TgHtNwH+uhez6fv3IhhsRlmTxw4z36/WP7c/A21nB0s4X pYZYoj2QVyCblQmOM6FTI2522sWEMW8vvNloXMBjjh9p3GJ9jhTUz3Zpzc6ru0jYfZuA JUxvdMF45u1TjvDETDhY0+0mdbSGCP0MiXfzYHFUHNQnTgl1Yyhwb9DcIdq3IVQ3iux7 SfvtwJwUnSqjSCSpHNeG/R0vcgV092PzaB8zXK/pcvYI/c+zq9iGJt4q5tAAVfc2l3DN yo0A== Message-ID: <4fb31184.a384440a.2403.ffffe2a1@mx.google.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 19:31:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Insecurities of Looping From: "k3zz21@gmail.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Seven Enterprise Gateway (v 2.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 02:31:35 +0000 (UTC) I feel like even though I like my music, other people dont. Its a weird feeling. I've had practically nothing but compliments which somewhat scares me because im starting to thing people just do it to make me feel good about myself. Does anybody get these feelings? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 03:28:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FFF9183455; Wed, 16 May 2012 03:28:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=arjLU/1N9M1LhAe5mXVm6uQVQ5cSt1ZMBtIZKRKIJUc=; b=sBJir49XbWF+EyiZN/PbZbHovIkqCVba0lNZ06TD69jIT62la1J3ehwVoGOY29qApv npqmmySzljdfZNcAN7+74/nsWLme4k+bgL5m9GwkVTEVeN5S2NI+g7lT7Ac7J+sbbXPx Yu1bBYcR/JhcvUzoHGYHYYyXXeBJkt7HdowQAR6le06HdEFCEn3uGNASSZVMJZexKdht OZQCLw4yipuDyBrCtRJGqnanOZGAxF34pDvTjkLIYuxKTRuUR11agnlCctXPxnIzBfhL a8mfrl+IRYm7vWZb0XUZEc8ub/ptRnPVEi7XwNhj78NxbW6anB4t9wPc0wGmTjWtv8A9 0pYQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4fb31184.a384440a.2403.ffffe2a1@mx.google.com> References: <4fb31184.a384440a.2403.ffffe2a1@mx.google.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 23:28:45 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Insecurities of Looping From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb2009aa760f604c01eea5d Resent-Message-ID: <_fFkvB.A.GaH.u7xsPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 03:28:46 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8fb2009aa760f604c01eea5d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 All the time :) I just play what I feel and try to let it go :) Jeff On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:31 PM, k3zz21@gmail.com wrote: > I feel like even though I like my music, other people dont. Its a weird > feeling. I've had practically nothing but compliments which somewhat scares > me because im starting to thing people just do it to make me feel good > about myself. Does anybody get these feelings? > > --e89a8fb2009aa760f604c01eea5d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All the time :) I just play what I feel and try to let it go :)

Jeff=

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:31 PM, k3zz21@gmail.com <k3zz21@gmail.com>= ; wrote:
I feel like even though I like my music, oth= er people dont. Its a weird feeling. I've had practically nothing but c= ompliments which somewhat scares me because im starting to thing people jus= t do it to make me feel good about myself. Does anybody get these feelings?=


--e89a8fb2009aa760f604c01eea5d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 05:36:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E21718345A; Wed, 16 May 2012 05:36:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_87af83d7-e9a7-4032-9329-28b3b0e86a04_" X-Originating-IP: [86.153.219.144] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Insecurities of Looping Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 05:36:02 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <4fb31184.a384440a.2403.ffffe2a1@mx.google.com>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 May 2012 05:36:02.0670 (UTC) FILETIME=[C80CC8E0:01CD3325] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 05:36:04 +0000 (UTC) --_87af83d7-e9a7-4032-9329-28b3b0e86a04_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree with Jeff. I feel that the more you try to please imagined expectat= ions of your audience=2C the more compromised and untrue your music becomes= . Unselfconscious creation though is a very slippery eel..Peace=2C g Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk Date: Tue=2C 15 May 2012 23:28:45 -0400 Subject: Re: Insecurities of Looping From: jeffloops@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com All the time :) I just play what I feel and try to let it go :) Jeff On Tue=2C May 15=2C 2012 at 10:31 PM=2C k3zz21@gmail.com = wrote: I feel like even though I like my music=2C other people dont. Its a weird f= eeling. I've had practically nothing but compliments which somewhat scares = me because im starting to thing people just do it to make me feel good abou= t myself. Does anybody get these feelings? = --_87af83d7-e9a7-4032-9329-28b3b0e86a04_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I agree with Jeff. I feel that the more you try to please imagined expectat= ions of your audience=2C the more compromised and untrue your music becomes= . =3B
Unselfconscious creation though is a very slippery eel..
Peace=2C

g

Gareth Whittock=2C sound a= rtist: garethwhit= tock.co.uk

Date: Tue=2C 15 May 2012 23:28:45 -0400
Subject: Re: Insec= urities of Looping
From: jeffloops@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loop= ers-delight.com

All the time :) I just play what I feel and try to l= et it go :)

Jeff

On Tue=2C May = 15=2C 2012 at 10:31 PM=2C k3zz21@gmail.= com <=3Bk3zz21@= gmail.com>=3B wrote:
I feel like even though I like my music=2C other people d= ont. Its a weird feeling. I've had practically nothing but compliments whic= h somewhat scares me because im starting to thing people just do it to make= me feel good about myself. Does anybody get these feelings?


= --_87af83d7-e9a7-4032-9329-28b3b0e86a04_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 06:08:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B4BA183461; Wed, 16 May 2012 06:08:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Fcm/Ok5g5AolvtqjOtCvkQmnbCoSbPVMO5gh8ZkbsHU=; b=a4es7S6G6wEBQQDYpLR2HG2mSFojFHJ6WMt8iqq1HRm61sFtvsE0wbnqM+XdgbiLXq r2THcluwzSm/7NjMGBJe/OCY91ILfNqUQFBG4oJK74WWgEZ6VPB8aFg/LsGidI9AYBJh o3JalyXfaABx4qGPNiFrYEOMGvxcyKeuiNCSnX+gEe/XbJ/l8YGyVTZo0ji//LIBVaca vpX3w0Fvi3pJE67jg7VP/P18tkIYJ8Jf6ar3KCmFg/IZOcqH3DQ2zbkkIhVkNbATbLQt 8tOXDzxFf5s9zdVI107GfQsVvGzjvN4lEgnGveffEglPUjHzwmiQeWkj0G1+/V98oa50 SSxQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4fb31184.a384440a.2403.ffffe2a1@mx.google.com> References: <4fb31184.a384440a.2403.ffffe2a1@mx.google.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 23:08:46 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Insecurities of Looping From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <9r-cnC.A.Lm.vR0sPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 06:08:47 +0000 (UTC) Haha, last night I was having dinner with a friend (who really knows his stuff). I told him that my dependence on loops for solo music often makes me self-conscious that my sets sound like repetitive elements circling around a drain. He told me that one of the things he likes the most about my music is that it *doesn't* give him that repetitive feeling. I think the best musicians are always a bit self-critical of their own work. It not only keeps you humble, but it will drive you to continue to develop and refine your craft. Just try to keep it in your head though - and keep in mind that many of the compliments you receive are honest, heartfelt expressions of appreciation! It's hard making that transition from being a high school hobbyist to a "local" musician with some success under your belt. The killer is comparing your current work to that of your heroes. I remember being upset that my early sound experiments in my mom's garage sounded nowhere near as cool as Coil, Aphex Twin or Tortoise. The best thing you can do is develop that critical ear - listen to your own music. (Even if people will sometimes tease you about it.) Pay attention to the moments that you think really work. Also pay attention to the moments where it seems to get lost, or you're waiting for the song to end, or when you wish the next thing would happen sooner. Lastly, pay attention to the moments where you sound too much like somebody else. As you continue to make music, you'll improve these areas, if you're aware of them. --=20 Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 7:31 PM, k3zz21@gmail.com wrote: > I feel like even though I like my music, other people dont. Its a weird f= eeling. I've had practically nothing but compliments which somewhat scares = me because im starting to thing people just do it to make me feel good abou= t myself. Does anybody get these feelings? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 09:32:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB55918345A; Wed, 16 May 2012 09:32:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20120515225606.25318.8137.levelstar.mail@everest> References: <20120515225606.25318.8137.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 02:32:38 -0700 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Violet Xoxox Subject: Re: Looper's Delight donation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 09:32:41 +0000 (UTC) At 6:56 PM -0400 5/15/12, Tyler wrote: >Hello. If I go to the Looper's Delight website and donate money, will it >go to good use? Or is that an old outdated button from 2006? The donate button is current and 100% of every donation goes directly toward server costs. Any amount is appreciated! I'm sorry I haven't been able to write to personally thank everyone who's donated. I've kind of been a wreck the past couple of years. This seems a good opportunity to mention that now that estate issues have finally been resolved, I'll be able to move foward on updating the site. It's probably going to be a slow process (made more difficult for reasons I can't go into without upsetting myself, and I'm still struggling so hard to pull myself up out of the darkness, I rather not do that), but my hope is that even if the process of updating does end up being slow, it will at least be steady. I just have to keep trying to do the best I can to make it through one day at a time, not just with LD, but everything. This is such a challenging time, filled with overwhelming and scary stuff I've never had to deal with before, and getting through it with no family or partner to even just give me a hug or tell me they love me on a shitty day has been brutal. Surviving has been, and continues to be, a painful journey, one I nearly didn't go on, not by choice, but because everything in me simply shut down and broke down and stopped. The fact that I'm still here to move into the future at all is a miracle. So, y'know, whatever I manage to get done, whether it's taking a shower or eating actual food or just waking up one more day, I'm proud of myself for getting that far, and that's important to me, being proud that I'm still fighting the fight. Small victories don't seem so small any more. Realising that small victories are still victories is kind of nice, but being satisfied with baby steps is hard when you're someone who's always wanted to have everything in the world done by yesterday and only knows how to do things by pushing yourself to the breaking point instead of pacing. I'm trying to learn how to go easy on myself. It's hard. I spend a lot of time reminding myself about the tortoise and the hare, trying to stay positive. So, yeah, anywho, now that I've given myself yet another pep talk.... By the way, Tyler, I've really been enjoying your posts. Your questions and observations are always interesting. I wish you could have known Kim. I think you would have liked him. I really liked the "Why NOT Looping..." thread, too. You guys are always good for a laugh. Well, mostly. LOL Violet xoxox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 11:06:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 288B218345B; Wed, 16 May 2012 11:06:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_d3e505f6-338c-4ba8-bfc0-053f3ebb2992_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Looper's Delight donation Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 11:06:57 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <20120515225606.25318.8137.levelstar.mail@everest>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 May 2012 11:06:57.0651 (UTC) FILETIME=[028A7430:01CD3354] Resent-Message-ID: <47Mm9.A.4vC.Sp4sPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 11:06:59 +0000 (UTC) --_d3e505f6-338c-4ba8-bfc0-053f3ebb2992_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Voilet.. and a big hug from Sweden > Date: Wed=2C 16 May 2012 02:32:38 -0700 > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > From: violet@missviolet.com > Subject: Re: Looper's Delight donation >=20 > At 6:56 PM -0400 5/15/12=2C Tyler wrote: > >Hello. If I go to the Looper's Delight website and donate money=2C will = it > >go to good use? Or is that an old outdated button from 2006? >=20 > The donate button is current and 100% of every donation goes directly > toward server costs. Any amount is appreciated! I'm sorry I haven't bee= n > able to write to personally thank everyone who's donated. I've kind of > been a wreck the past couple of years. >=20 > This seems a good opportunity to mention that now that estate issues have > finally been resolved=2C I'll be able to move foward on updating the site= . > It's probably going to be a slow process (made more difficult for reasons= I > can't go into without upsetting myself=2C and I'm still struggling so har= d to > pull myself up out of the darkness=2C I rather not do that)=2C but my hop= e is > that even if the process of updating does end up being slow=2C it will at > least be steady. I just have to keep trying to do the best I can to make > it through one day at a time=2C not just with LD=2C but everything. This= is > such a challenging time=2C filled with overwhelming and scary stuff I've > never had to deal with before=2C and getting through it with no family or > partner to even just give me a hug or tell me they love me on a shitty da= y > has been brutal. Surviving has been=2C and continues to be=2C a painful > journey=2C one I nearly didn't go on=2C not by choice=2C but because ever= ything > in me simply shut down and broke down and stopped. The fact that I'm sti= ll > here to move into the future at all is a miracle. So=2C y'know=2C whatev= er I > manage to get done=2C whether it's taking a shower or eating actual food = or > just waking up one more day=2C I'm proud of myself for getting that far= =2C and > that's important to me=2C being proud that I'm still fighting the fight. > Small victories don't seem so small any more. Realising that small > victories are still victories is kind of nice=2C but being satisfied with > baby steps is hard when you're someone who's always wanted to have > everything in the world done by yesterday and only knows how to do things > by pushing yourself to the breaking point instead of pacing. I'm trying = to > learn how to go easy on myself. It's hard. I spend a lot of time > reminding myself about the tortoise and the hare=2C trying to stay positi= ve. >=20 > So=2C yeah=2C anywho=2C now that I've given myself yet another pep talk..= .. >=20 > By the way=2C Tyler=2C I've really been enjoying your posts. Your questi= ons > and observations are always interesting. I wish you could have known Kim= . > I think you would have liked him. >=20 > I really liked the "Why NOT Looping..." thread=2C too. You guys are alwa= ys > good for a laugh. Well=2C mostly. LOL >=20 > Violet > xoxox >=20 = --_d3e505f6-338c-4ba8-bfc0-053f3ebb2992_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Voilet.. and a big hug from Sweden

>=3B Date: Wed=2C 16 May 2012 02:32:38 -0700
>=3B T= o: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B From: violet@missviolet.co= m
>=3B Subject: Re: Looper's Delight donation
>=3B
>=3B At = 6:56 PM -0400 5/15/12=2C Tyler wrote:
>=3B >=3BHello. If I go to the= Looper's Delight website and donate money=2C will it
>=3B >=3Bgo to= good use? Or is that an old outdated button from 2006?
>=3B
>= =3B The donate button is current and 100% of every donation goes directly>=3B toward server costs. Any amount is appreciated! I'm sorry I have= n't been
>=3B able to write to personally thank everyone who's donated= . I've kind of
>=3B been a wreck the past couple of years.
>=3B =
>=3B This seems a good opportunity to mention that now that estate is= sues have
>=3B finally been resolved=2C I'll be able to move foward on= updating the site.
>=3B It's probably going to be a slow process (mad= e more difficult for reasons I
>=3B can't go into without upsetting my= self=2C and I'm still struggling so hard to
>=3B pull myself up out of= the darkness=2C I rather not do that)=2C but my hope is
>=3B that eve= n if the process of updating does end up being slow=2C it will at
>=3B= least be steady. I just have to keep trying to do the best I can to make<= br>>=3B it through one day at a time=2C not just with LD=2C but everythin= g. This is
>=3B such a challenging time=2C filled with overwhelming a= nd scary stuff I've
>=3B never had to deal with before=2C and getting = through it with no family or
>=3B partner to even just give me a hug o= r tell me they love me on a shitty day
>=3B has been brutal. Survivin= g has been=2C and continues to be=2C a painful
>=3B journey=2C one I n= early didn't go on=2C not by choice=2C but because everything
>=3B in = me simply shut down and broke down and stopped. The fact that I'm still>=3B here to move into the future at all is a miracle. So=2C y'know=2C = whatever I
>=3B manage to get done=2C whether it's taking a shower or = eating actual food or
>=3B just waking up one more day=2C I'm proud of= myself for getting that far=2C and
>=3B that's important to me=2C bei= ng proud that I'm still fighting the fight.
>=3B Small victories don't= seem so small any more. Realising that small
>=3B victories are stil= l victories is kind of nice=2C but being satisfied with
>=3B baby step= s is hard when you're someone who's always wanted to have
>=3B everyth= ing in the world done by yesterday and only knows how to do things
>= =3B by pushing yourself to the breaking point instead of pacing. I'm tryin= g to
>=3B learn how to go easy on myself. It's hard. I spend a lot o= f time
>=3B reminding myself about the tortoise and the hare=2C trying= to stay positive.
>=3B
>=3B So=2C yeah=2C anywho=2C now that I'= ve given myself yet another pep talk....
>=3B
>=3B By the way=2C= Tyler=2C I've really been enjoying your posts. Your questions
>=3B a= nd observations are always interesting. I wish you could have known Kim.>=3B I think you would have liked him.
>=3B
>=3B I really li= ked the "Why NOT Looping..." thread=2C too. You guys are always
>=3B = good for a laugh. Well=2C mostly. LOL
>=3B
>=3B Violet
>= =3B xoxox
>=3B
= --_d3e505f6-338c-4ba8-bfc0-053f3ebb2992_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 11:40:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4C5718345B; Wed, 16 May 2012 11:40:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FB3922E.4010506@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 04:40:30 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Violet Xoxox CC: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Looper's Delight donation References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 11:40:39 +0000 (UTC) Dear Violet, It's good to hear from you and so candidly. We all can only imagine what you've been through in the past two years, Violet and have a lot of empathy for you. Please know that this is a community and we all loved and appreciated Kim and his contribution. All you need to do is ask and there will be people here to help you with the site. I think people really want the site itself to become more current and to reflect what is really going on with this community. I know people want it to be a resource for looping gigs, festivals and new gear reviews. It really needs to stay current and it's way too much for one person to do. We're evolving as a community and we all desire Loopers Delight to evolve commensurately. Please reach out to us for help. The help is there, I am almost sure. Be well and thanks for writing. Rick Walker On 5/16/12 2:32 AM, Violet Xoxox wrote: > At 6:56 PM -0400 5/15/12, Tyler wrote: >> Hello. If I go to the Looper's Delight website and donate money, will it >> go to good use? Or is that an old outdated button from 2006? > The donate button is current and 100% of every donation goes directly > toward server costs. Any amount is appreciated! I'm sorry I haven't been > able to write to personally thank everyone who's donated. I've kind of > been a wreck the past couple of years. > > This seems a good opportunity to mention that now that estate issues have > finally been resolved, I'll be able to move foward on updating the site. > It's probably going to be a slow process (made more difficult for reasons I > can't go into without upsetting myself, and I'm still struggling so hard to > pull myself up out of the darkness, I rather not do that), but my hope is > that even if the process of updating does end up being slow, it will at > least be steady. I just have to keep trying to do the best I can to make > it through one day at a time, not just with LD, but everything. This is > such a challenging time, filled with overwhelming and scary stuff I've > never had to deal with before, and getting through it with no family or > partner to even just give me a hug or tell me they love me on a shitty day > has been brutal. Surviving has been, and continues to be, a painful > journey, one I nearly didn't go on, not by choice, but because everything > in me simply shut down and broke down and stopped. The fact that I'm still > here to move into the future at all is a miracle. So, y'know, whatever I > manage to get done, whether it's taking a shower or eating actual food or > just waking up one more day, I'm proud of myself for getting that far, and > that's important to me, being proud that I'm still fighting the fight. > Small victories don't seem so small any more. Realising that small > victories are still victories is kind of nice, but being satisfied with > baby steps is hard when you're someone who's always wanted to have > everything in the world done by yesterday and only knows how to do things > by pushing yourself to the breaking point instead of pacing. I'm trying to > learn how to go easy on myself. It's hard. I spend a lot of time > reminding myself about the tortoise and the hare, trying to stay positive. > > So, yeah, anywho, now that I've given myself yet another pep talk.... > > By the way, Tyler, I've really been enjoying your posts. Your questions > and observations are always interesting. I wish you could have known Kim. > I think you would have liked him. > > I really liked the "Why NOT Looping..." thread, too. You guys are always > good for a laugh. Well, mostly. LOL > > Violet > xoxox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 11:58:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFE7B18345A; Wed, 16 May 2012 11:58:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <20120516110659.88019183460@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20120516110659.88019183460@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Looper's Delight donation Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 13:58:27 +0200 Message-ID: <003f01cd335b$34792ed0$9d6b8c70$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01CD336B.F801FED0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0zVpOX7MmQyCZhT2u+hm6R/D3ySQABIf3Q Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 11:58:38 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01CD336B.F801FED0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit best wishes Violet, we all feel with you. -Michael ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01CD336B.F801FED0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

best wishes Violet, we = all feel with you. -Michael

 

------=_NextPart_000_0040_01CD336B.F801FED0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 12:05:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1AA4818345B; Wed, 16 May 2012 12:05:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <4fb31184.a384440a.2403.ffffe2a1@mx.google.com>, In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Insecurities of Looping Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 13:05:14 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004F_01CD3364.88565D80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 12:05:11 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01CD3364.88565D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Further seconded! Just play, it=E2=80=99ll come. People who like it = will like it. People who don=E2=80=99t, don=E2=80=99t... but I = wouldn=E2=80=99t say that=E2=80=99s forever. Some music has to grow on = people =E2=80=93 and folks who tell you they didn=E2=80=99t care for = something may come up to you and say much better things later. But = don=E2=80=99t let it affect what you want to do. From: Gareth Whittock=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 6:36 AM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: RE: Insecurities of Looping I agree with Jeff. I feel that the more you try to please imagined = expectations of your audience, the more compromised and untrue your = music becomes. =20 Unselfconscious creation though is a very slippery eel.. Peace, g Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 23:28:45 -0400 Subject: Re: Insecurities of Looping From: jeffloops@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com All the time :) I just play what I feel and try to let it go :) Jeff On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:31 PM, k3zz21@gmail.com = wrote: I feel like even though I like my music, other people dont. Its a = weird feeling. I've had practically nothing but compliments which = somewhat scares me because im starting to thing people just do it to = make me feel good about myself. Does anybody get these feelings? ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01CD3364.88565D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Further seconded!  Just play, it=E2=80=99ll come.  People = who like it=20 will like it.  People who don=E2=80=99t, don=E2=80=99t... but I = wouldn=E2=80=99t say that=E2=80=99s=20 forever.  Some music has to grow on people =E2=80=93 and folks who = tell you they=20 didn=E2=80=99t care for something may come up to you and say much better = things=20 later.  But don=E2=80=99t let it affect what you want to do.
 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 6:36 AM
Subject: RE: Insecurities of Looping
 
I agree with Jeff. I feel that the more you try to please = imagined=20 expectations of your audience, the more compromised and untrue your = music=20 becomes. =20
Unselfconscious creation though is a very slippery eel..
Peace,
 
g

Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 23:28:45 -0400
Subject: Re: Insecurities of=20 Looping
From: jeffloops@gmail.com
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

All the time :) I just play = what I=20 feel and try to let it go :)

Jeff

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:31 PM, k3zz21@gmail.com <k3zz21@gmail.com> = wrote:
I feel like even though I like my music, other = people=20 dont. Its a weird feeling. I've had practically nothing but = compliments which=20 somewhat scares me because im starting to thing people just do it to = make me=20 feel good about myself. Does anybody get these=20 feelings?

 
------=_NextPart_000_004F_01CD3364.88565D80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 13:24:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1224718345E; Wed, 16 May 2012 13:24:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Wed, 16 May 2012 13:24:47 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kevinkissinger.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=dqjLjIwBQY8G6VrYL1eEdUVP/tiGWpkrgJ8NAgVJ75M=; b=i9GetwStA57nbKzLUOOghIbW5EGgu8ycL/h2WevubJENkSLbrLREKNOQ6xo/DTBmSZjBzmn1T2pPyWukGFdb6dMCOZwx9mYpbGQ42wUkA8spofp+R9YhzwffZi2MKeR/; Message-ID: <20120516081806.1727793yq65pcsni@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 08:18:06 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Insecurities of Looping References: <4fb31184.a384440a.2403.ffffe2a1@mx.google.com> In-Reply-To: <4fb31184.a384440a.2403.ffffe2a1@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.9) X-Identified-User: {3864:box516.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:smtp auth 127.0.0.1 authed with kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com} Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 13:24:47 +0000 (UTC) Quoting "k3zz21@gmail.com" : > > I feel like even though I like my music, other people dont. Its a > weird feeling. I've had practically nothing but compliments which > somewhat scares me because im starting to thing people just do it to > make me feel good about myself. Does anybody get these feelings? > > Sometimes, as performers, we allow negative criticism to penetrate deeply into the psyche however are not as open to praise. We must be as open to praise as we are to criticism. When you recieve applause and compliments, allow it sink in. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 14:09:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97EC018345B; Wed, 16 May 2012 14:09:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:subject:from:to:cc:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer; bh=lIeIdkpnJ87syCP3+GDeWoRSldU8pZlfNsSToVBoMOc=; b=SLZf6Xj/C23G60VYKyTynfnVuPAHJDepR5hJrl8J/f9vzyYsiXpuJEaW3UtvgBqQfb h/cpcQKa1OznKfHeC0P3SodYWfCYmFYmy0dngfHVzhxO9yAXqcQ+Afcn9ZHT41CdOXfr 4DwwEYHZ1wXef2UJwu8hLmNGlBBRPfelNSlUKOsjjCAYcWUzUIJYH/Ua/8Rnb1Ffpzif RdRu51115KM93IPLLdFLz3hhoWVk2piaCgAmIg1VG3E5uxIQYPBx4aXOoDib8ZebkTqe jHRLbD80uIdrNRZC0A6VC/57GzQrigDSn8purLbIZqhCFElb4NeVUV652Fm4nfm13Gls CdzQ== Message-ID: <4fb3b51f.2784440a.2646.ffffa546@mx.google.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 07:09:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Insecurities of Looping From: "k3zz21@gmail.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Seven Enterprise Gateway (v 2.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 14:09:37 +0000 (UTC) i like the way you look at it. It just seems like much more of a challenge lol to let good things grab a hold of you more than bad things -----Original Message----- Date: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 6:24:50 am To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com Subject: Re: Insecurities of Looping Quoting "k3zz21@gmail.com" : > > I feel like even though I like my music, other people dont. Its a > weird feeling. I've had practically nothing but compliments which > somewhat scares me because im starting to thing people just do it to > make me feel good about myself. Does anybody get these feelings? > > Sometimes, as performers, we allow negative criticism to penetrate deeply into the psyche however are not as open to praise. We must be as open to praise as we are to criticism. When you recieve applause and compliments, allow it sink in. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 16:08:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C43618345D; Wed, 16 May 2012 16:08:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 854022.56583.bm@omp1021.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1337184520; bh=5SR3ojReYqZ7NPnhB9FgRm8HWslKBNmJtu4TH3UnxXY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HVWZ6LHD8QBo9es5Jzqlz7X2ckDbh7KvNqLyjwEKN/YGexhIV016WPU+7EF7YFZyQd9lrzdEYNHICYmk9se+WGcv3YCOMyQ1DyWe0XEIybomQEWdCBL2V8DtYlSfxauEpJ6Ur0pmHMK8r/483wblcUgft9OzGOB6YAWTUnljl0s= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cgTLXg476hZStZBWDfHY9V3IK6kQQS7Wk6diShvOPmUU4p9FrEa+jLg6XY4SzDcvckNcUTL8K8uAh+JDwebvh/N2RwGr0zQKpX01uKDntAntBpEW0hSgRg2OhAP8MDyn8s3iEjvSuXSXJc/32ZCksF/LBkybRO4sjpDhZJLxDS8=; X-YMail-OSG: GFygXhMVM1kaMXGCaTGRVky6AMyaFapEdGNnBsOEbTKqk3o u5Lw03531YZxxZeG.Hy2aYvj8TNZnpNZnwyrwLOEAy77ee_4K8v6ur4iwbSZ knCxbekGquC28JOzB9AVrV0m03014SAqlrJu0B4ojGAtWF6PRxhV8T5o8ABV H9tsmLNTzbImts57FEImRdhfuhFlkHvTz0Ff5VMOzwHGtp3C8CkBc19dwPFB gb2ZvwmJoPiRmGFghC1XL.SUQjVvarvIyKPlG4mwxniE3jlp3ONb36EytneE aAOudM0ygy.1rzuNFwFdXKk0due7TKCc4tLGFc.GA7e4NZ3Nq4VsMiq6WVOh 1oFycPir3WbkQLHXSMc5dLW3FgoYh9Wc.5Q5Uuq31FGhWr1AgUoQ8B6o94oR TfXt8frAys7M.Mt.KsUTxxuq6mhkgIZaW8OWMemNRkQ7cNFER2UWro8v3m2J Rjg98c.Ky5I5Z0_Jq05rTtzU2_ZG6Cs9W1HZgFjg- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4fb3b51f.2784440a.2646.ffffa546@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1337184520.12626.YahooMailNeo@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 09:08:40 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Insecurities of Looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4fb3b51f.2784440a.2646.ffffa546@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-709188601-1784458920-1337184520=:12626" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 16:08:41 +0000 (UTC) ---709188601-1784458920-1337184520=:12626 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have often seen this. When people see my room full of synths and recordin= g gear, or my front-of-house mixing set-up, I am often told it is "impressi= ve". I always respond that it is not meant to be impressive, but to allow m= e the ability to "express myself". Rig=0A=0A=0A___________________________= _____=0AFrom: "k3zz21@gmail.com" =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@l= oopers-delight.com =0ASent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 7:09 AM=0ASubject: Re: = Insecurities of Looping=0A=0Ai like the way you look at it. It just seems l= ike much more of a challenge lol to let good things grab a hold of you more= than bad things=0A-----Original Message-----=0ADate: Wednesday, May 16, 20= 12 6:24:50 am=0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0AFrom: kkissinger@= kevinkissinger.com=0ASubject: Re: Insecurities of Looping=0A=0AQuoting "k3z= z21@gmail.com" :=0A>=0A> I feel like even though I like m= y music, other people dont. Its a=A0 =0A> weird feeling. I've had practical= ly nothing but compliments which=A0 =0A> somewhat scares me because im star= ting to thing people just do it to=A0 =0A> make me feel good about myself. = Does anybody get these feelings?=0A>=0A>=0ASometimes, as performers, we all= ow negative criticism to penetrate=A0 =0Adeeply into the psyche however are= not as open to praise.=0A=0AWe must be as open to praise as we are to crit= icism.=A0 When you recieve=A0 =0Aapplause and compliments, allow it sink in= .=0A=0A-- Kevin ---709188601-1784458920-1337184520=:12626 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have often seen this. When people see my room full of synths and recordin= g gear, or my front-of-house mixing set-up, I am often told it is "imp= ressive". I always respond that it is not meant to be impressive, but = to allow me the ability to "express myself".  Rig
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From: &q= uot;k3zz21@gmail.com" <k3zz21@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
= Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2= 012 7:09 AM
Subject: R= e: Insecurities of Looping

=0Ai like the way you loo= k at it. It just seems like much more of a challenge lol to let good things= grab a hold of you more than bad things
-----Original Message-----
D= ate: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 6:24:50 am
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com
Subject: Re: Insecurities of Loopi= ng

Quoting "k3zz21@gmail.com" <k3zz21@gmail.com>:
>> I feel like even though I like my music, other people dont. Its a&nbs= p;
> weird feeling. I've had practically nothing but compliments whi= ch 
> somewhat scares me because im starting to thing people just do it to 
> make me feel good about myself. = Does anybody get these feelings?
>
>
Sometimes, as performer= s, we allow negative criticism to penetrate 
deeply into the psych= e however are not as open to praise.

We must be as open to praise as= we are to criticism.  When you recieve 
applause and complim= ents, allow it sink in.

-- Kevin





---709188601-1784458920-1337184520=:12626-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 17:38:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88497183463; Wed, 16 May 2012 17:38:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FB3E5F7.7090400@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 10:37:59 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Insecurities of Looping References: <20120516081806.1727793yq65pcsni@mail.kevinkissinger.com> In-Reply-To: <20120516081806.1727793yq65pcsni@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 17:38:08 +0000 (UTC) On 5/16/12 6:18 AM, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > > We must be as open to praise as we are to criticism. When you recieve > applause and compliments, allow it sink in. I'd also like to add that people with 'less than' behavior frequently fear that they will be perceived as being 'grandiose' if they allow themselves to soak in applause and compliments. I fall into this category a lot myself. If someone gushes about me in public, it makes me feel so weird and uncomfortable. If people persist, I even feel angry about it because I"m so uncomfortable. But I've seen many a performer hurt the obvious affectionate response of an audience because they are uncomfortable and deflect the praise the crowd gives them. But I heard once that low self esteem manifests in two types of behavior: 'grandiosity' and 'less than' behavior. The older I get, the more I see the wisdom in this. Because of this, I completely concur with Kevin's advice, even if applause or compliments make you nervous. And, if you think of it, low self esteem was created when we were children over a long period of time and through a lot of, usually small, unhealthy interactions with people who were important to you. Self esteem actually can be built over a long period of time, but we have to work hard to let the good in and we have to work at it over time because it never feels comfortable. rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 18:43:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C762183461; Wed, 16 May 2012 18:43:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3601 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Wed, 16 May 2012 18:43:18 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-16_08:2012-05-16,2012-05-16,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1205160190 Subject: Re: Insecurities of Looping From: Daniel Thomas In-reply-to: <4FB3E5F7.7090400@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 10:43:11 -0700 Cc: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com Message-id: <464EBC74-D29A-4733-B48F-D6C43D49E2E3@mac.com> References: <20120516081806.1727793yq65pcsni@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <4FB3E5F7.7090400@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 18:43:18 +0000 (UTC) My momma always said.. receive feedback with grace... especially the positive feedback. Its not easy... but Mom was right. The giver of positive feedback deserves our grace even if we feel "less than" about a performance. Love you Mom- rest well. D On May 16, 2012, at 10:37 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 5/16/12 6:18 AM, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: >> >> We must be as open to praise as we are to criticism. When you recieve applause and compliments, allow it sink in. > I'd also like to add that people with 'less than' behavior frequently fear that they will be perceived as being > 'grandiose' if they allow themselves to soak in applause and compliments. I fall into this category a lot myself. > If someone gushes about me in public, it makes me feel so weird and uncomfortable. If people persist, I even > feel angry about it because I"m so uncomfortable. > > But I've seen many a performer hurt the obvious affectionate response of an audience because they are uncomfortable > and deflect the praise the crowd gives them. > > But I heard once that low self esteem manifests in two types of behavior: > 'grandiosity' and 'less than' behavior. > > The older I get, the more I see the wisdom in this. > Because of this, I completely concur with Kevin's advice, even if applause or compliments make you nervous. > > And, if you think of it, low self esteem was created when we were children over a long period of time > and through a lot of, usually small, unhealthy interactions with people who were important to you. Self esteem actually > can be built over a long period of time, but we have to work hard to let the good in and we have > to work at it over time because it never feels comfortable. > > rick walker > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 16 21:09:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A43C7183473; Wed, 16 May 2012 21:09:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=kwuG6gDZIEhMy6vGgBpgGAPbJqwVNtIjsKCbnmVX4FI=; b=NAQxrjVXHdbNeDby/Lmzgb8ZgzjmSSla0NsLpfz2+hwwN+JiRqfZ2tyQgyNto8NCYG TEGTlyhUHzdgcmfeBQVoYpIInU5FjnslSODkufMWdbnUoWr0YTfB+zLvQ/kMFolm1oHx 750ZuJwHAcC88rZKw3+F7JXP56x3LSf2Jq32/3IJLaff+n59myua4hh0eNcTnIK7j6l6 J+1mS09INyJLMI/2A1orpQ5awHVAtaWId0vy7KEMN+gTKezbgoXL07phHWlN7IxgIIZH hZfioFZMqXxHlWFlVSiVSPHDbNP1J3uAvCToTmjbcuFEzZPXQFAbuQ1gMDC8utSEizT9 ahfQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <464EBC74-D29A-4733-B48F-D6C43D49E2E3@mac.com> References: <20120516081806.1727793yq65pcsni@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <4FB3E5F7.7090400@cruzio.com> <464EBC74-D29A-4733-B48F-D6C43D49E2E3@mac.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 14:09:48 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Insecurities of Looping From: Rusty Perez To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 21:09:49 +0000 (UTC) I began to learn about receiving people's honest kindness when my father died. I stood in the family line and had hundreds of friends and family come by and say they were sorry for my loss. I started out letting it roll off my back, but then I decided to receive it in the loving spirit in which it was intended. It makes people feel good to say kind things. I have done the same with my performances. I don't feel like I always perform well, but, I must accept that someone else may have thought I did, so I meet them right there. "thanks!" Sometimes particularly at church, I say "praise God because it wasn't all me." But here's a heavier load. I happen to be blind, so, not only do I wonder if it's honest praise for my music, but also if they just feel bad for me so they say nice things because I'm blind! :-) I've really been working on letting this one go, because it'll kill me. I figure, I don't care why they drop the $1, $5 $10 or > as long as they tipped! :-) Rusty On 5/16/12, Daniel Thomas wrote: > My momma always said.. receive feedback with grace... especially the > positive feedback. > Its not easy... but Mom was right. The giver of positive feedback deserves > our grace even if we feel "less than" about a performance. > > Love you Mom- rest well. > > D > > On May 16, 2012, at 10:37 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > >> On 5/16/12 6:18 AM, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: >>> >>> We must be as open to praise as we are to criticism. When you recieve >>> applause and compliments, allow it sink in. >> I'd also like to add that people with 'less than' behavior frequently fear >> that they will be perceived as being >> 'grandiose' if they allow themselves to soak in applause and compliments. >> I fall into this category a lot myself. >> If someone gushes about me in public, it makes me feel so weird and >> uncomfortable. If people persist, I even >> feel angry about it because I"m so uncomfortable. >> >> But I've seen many a performer hurt the obvious affectionate response of >> an audience because they are uncomfortable >> and deflect the praise the crowd gives them. >> >> But I heard once that low self esteem manifests in two types of behavior: >> 'grandiosity' and 'less than' behavior. >> >> The older I get, the more I see the wisdom in this. >> Because of this, I completely concur with Kevin's advice, even if >> applause or compliments make you nervous. >> >> And, if you think of it, low self esteem was created when we were >> children over a long period of time >> and through a lot of, usually small, unhealthy interactions with people >> who were important to you. Self esteem actually >> can be built over a long period of time, but we have to work hard to let >> the good in and we have >> to work at it over time because it never feels comfortable. >> >> rick walker >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 02:55:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87E07183474; Thu, 17 May 2012 02:55:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3601 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 17 May 2012 02:55:17 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-05-17_01:2012-05-17,2012-05-16,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1205160341 Subject: Re: Insecurities of Looping From: Teddy Kumpel In-reply-to: <4FB3E5F7.7090400@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 21:55:11 -0400 Message-id: <829EBD3F-173B-4900-8367-D2A44204035F@mac.com> References: <20120516081806.1727793yq65pcsni@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <4FB3E5F7.7090400@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <5HOfd.A.7-C.ViGtPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 02:55:17 +0000 (UTC) truer words never written, thanks Rick... On May 16, 2012, at 1:37 PM, Rick Walker wrote: >> > We must be as open to praise as we are to criticism. When you recieve applause and compliments, allow it sink in. > I'd also like to add that people with 'less than' behavior frequently fear that they will be perceived as being > 'grandiose' if they allow themselves to soak in applause and compliments. I fall into this category a lot myself. > If someone gushes about me in public, it makes me feel so weird and uncomfortable. If people persist, I even > feel angry about it because I"m so uncomfortable. > > But I've seen many a performer hurt the obvious affectionate response of an audience because they are uncomfortable > and deflect the praise the crowd gives them. > > But I heard once that low self esteem manifests in two types of behavior: > 'grandiosity' and 'less than' behavior. > > The older I get, the more I see the wisdom in this. > Because of this, I completely concur with Kevin's advice, even if applause or compliments make you nervous. > > And, if you think of it, low self esteem was created when we were children over a long period of time > and through a lot of, usually small, unhealthy interactions with people who were important to you. Self esteem actually > can be built over a long period of time, but we have to work hard to let the good in and we have > to work at it over time because it never feels comfortable. > > rick walker > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 13:37:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA58218345B; Thu, 17 May 2012 13:37:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=eNjkXbR8VP740+2fykH2OL5d1Odw3ymbKVcgmRaqq1M=; b=Q7rZA/Yj8lmU58UoUKu2NTor+6eaGQVT1PW5n3TxgLOq6lWy14dc/o9FhK0vgMgxYk 3OcvoQXpZeRvmk5Tlk1xi66YPCOOjSSFHzeLdAomwvFpLZ2d5Ib3WyTr/aCql0tf8WEc wxTV4BugjRDDNO8VEk87mVQoSOem6jhwQvJme39tUgJ25PnspOFpL27lfCM9cSif0jao MNpydPhSPk/h5I+htYByjRfdvPNUk/yfFW6PQEKdA+FXbdv/vfR2JNr+Vz/J1tP6mA42 hDg0uXdlDFYZz4VvmeWZ63jUURBaB2RbM/KlhK6p1RH4p9KZOgMA0gVvWNdwgTcqWU/+ cDUQ== References: <20120516081806.1727793yq65pcsni@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <4FB3E5F7.7090400@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4FB3E5F7.7090400@cruzio.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <4E16B7F6-AE42-4290-8591-B5CB31AA2D08@gmail.com> Cc: "kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com" , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) From: Jim Goodin Subject: Re: Insecurities of Looping Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 09:37:13 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 13:37:15 +0000 (UTC) Good words Rick and good thread here. Jim Get Tips Across the Waters for your iDevice, http://iTunes.apple.com/us/app/= tips-across-the-waters/id474128076?=3Dmt8 On May 16, 2012, at 1:37 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 5/16/12 6:18 AM, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: >>=20 >> We must be as open to praise as we are to criticism. When you recieve ap= plause and compliments, allow it sink in.=20 > I'd also like to add that people with 'less than' behavior frequently fear= that they will be perceived as being > 'grandiose' if they allow themselves to soak in applause and compliments. = I fall into this category a lot myself. > If someone gushes about me in public, it makes me feel so weird and uncomf= ortable. If people persist, I even > feel angry about it because I"m so uncomfortable. >=20 > But I've seen many a performer hurt the obvious affectionate response of a= n audience because they are uncomfortable > and deflect the praise the crowd gives them. >=20 > But I heard once that low self esteem manifests in two types of behavior: > 'grandiosity' and 'less than' behavior. >=20 > The older I get, the more I see the wisdom in this. > Because of this, I completely concur with Kevin's advice, even if applau= se or compliments make you nervous. >=20 > And, if you think of it, low self esteem was created when we were childre= n over a long period of time > and through a lot of, usually small, unhealthy interactions with people wh= o were important to you. Self esteem actually > can be built over a long period of time, but we have to work hard to let t= he good in and we have > to work at it over time because it never feels comfortable. >=20 > rick walker >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 14:24:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0588618345D; Thu, 17 May 2012 14:24:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JYQIUidRAECiNa+jsiaNMIhYElg3H2WoMKCJIGO75f4= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:17 a=Palf1BkFz6hd_xagWnkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Insecurities of Looping From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: <829EBD3F-173B-4900-8367-D2A44204035F@mac.com> Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 07:24:28 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20120516081806.1727793yq65pcsni@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <4FB3E5F7.7090400@cruzio.com> <829EBD3F-173B-4900-8367-D2A44204035F@mac.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 14:24:30 +0000 (UTC) Good advice Rick...perhaps some day I will be able to take it. It is certain that I have, problem with this (anyone who knows me well = might concur). > On May 16, 2012, at 1:37 PM, Rick Walker wrote: >>>=20 >> We must be as open to praise as we are to criticism. When you = recieve applause and compliments, allow it sink in.=20 >> I'd also like to add that people with 'less than' behavior frequently = fear that they will be perceived as being >> 'grandiose' if they allow themselves to soak in applause and = compliments. I fall into this category a lot myself. >> If someone gushes about me in public, it makes me feel so weird and = uncomfortable. If people persist, I even >> feel angry about it because I"m so uncomfortable. >>=20 >> But I've seen many a performer hurt the obvious affectionate response = of an audience because they are uncomfortable >> and deflect the praise the crowd gives them. >>=20 >> But I heard once that low self esteem manifests in two types of = behavior: >> 'grandiosity' and 'less than' behavior. >>=20 >> The older I get, the more I see the wisdom in this. >> Because of this, I completely concur with Kevin's advice, even if = applause or compliments make you nervous. >>=20 >> And, if you think of it, low self esteem was created when we were = children over a long period of time >> and through a lot of, usually small, unhealthy interactions with = people who were important to you. Self esteem actually >> can be built over a long period of time, but we have to work hard to = let the good in and we have >> to work at it over time because it never feels comfortable. >>=20 >> rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 17:23:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 366A318345A; Thu, 17 May 2012 17:23:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1332475872==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120517172259.4195.73706.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 13:23:02 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Reminder: Looper's Delight / Live Looping Conference 2012, June 2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 17:23:16 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============1332475872== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello,=20everyone!=20I=20just=20wanted=20to=20remind=20you,=20being=20the= =20middle=20of=20the=20month,=20about=20the=20Looper's=20Delight=20 /=20Live=20Looping=20Conference=202012.=20This=20digital=20chat=20will=20be= =20held=20on=20Saturday,=20June=202,=20 2012,=20from=202:00=20PM=20to=205:00=20PM=20US=20Eastern=20Time.=20I=20alre= ady=20posted=20the=20directions=20early=20 this=20month;=20I=20promise=20you=20I=20will=20re-post=20the=20log-in=20dir= ections=20close=20to=20the=20end=20of=20this=20month.=20I'm=20 glad=20that=20I=20am=20able=20to=20put=20together=20a=20digital=20event;=20= I=20don't=20think=20Looper's=20Delight=20has=20ever=20 had=20one=20of=20those!=20That=20is=20again,=20the=20Looper's=20Delight=20/= =20Live=20Looping=20Conference,=20Saturday,=20 June=202,=202012,=202:00=20PM=20to=205:00=20PM,=20US=20Eastern=20Time. Tyler=20Z --===============1332475872==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 18:10:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12C1018345C; Thu, 17 May 2012 18:10:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FB53F14.8080700@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 14:10:28 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 18:10:32 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Broekhuis, Keller, and Schonwalder. The Featured CD at Midnight will be disk one from "Live @ Dorfkirche Repelen 2" on Manikin Records. The Focus page is at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#may Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 21:11:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C64118345B; Thu, 17 May 2012 21:11:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=lkN2jPnkTKqjiYSv78fe5uhK4LLhY2i9mA+QXgSem7I=; b=a0vSO4L3S7yULglgQ/bPmFUG5IfQZ31SikxblBtaR+/XNC/SA1oH8eRgZUrecmiDrl vVI0SGZ52oPZ9e66DbpJJHWliIve0GXTjJ+zLF4JlTUhQiFJOzl/RKvlSzWsEbUdMH+u hyK+dNHjWZSwjzC4xA3Yw0MiRTdG45AmgTSSTBhQEfNrDg9m5CYoNO7gEFguVp3XQX8C Qb1StrEw6ivVKi9j39/Vn0gMUni6+HdrYqk1tgWMYLf5VLPittzLL9acOo0e/QQLLY/D LM6Z8hbQfY6/FhhuKlqZb/agTEx9CfiIhRgImLB4CUKpScpcrwSa8IUscPwpm0FsbrLP TVqA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 17:11:28 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Tonight in NYC - Todd Reynolds & meself From: daryl shawn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b33cb9018574c04c041e115 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 21:11:29 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b33cb9018574c04c041e115 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I can't believe I neglected to announce this here, but for those loopers in NYC, Todd Reynolds and I will be doing our thing, with plenty of digital and analog looping both, tonight at Firehouse Space in Williamsburg. Will try to shoot some video for later dissertation. http://www.thefirehousespace.org 8 pm, $10 This is our first time playing live together. SUPER excited. Daryl Shawn www.darylshawn.com --047d7b33cb9018574c04c041e115 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can't believe I neglected to announce this here, but for those looper= s in NYC, Todd Reynolds and I will be doing our thing, with plenty of digit= al and analog looping both, tonight at Firehouse Space in Williamsburg. Wil= l try to shoot some video for later dissertation.

8 pm, $10

This= is our first time playing live together. SUPER excited.
--047d7b33cb9018574c04c041e115-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 17 21:51:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3608F183460; Thu, 17 May 2012 21:51:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=0ToG9Yw9p4iTK6kXrVLiJQBZhSj3O7INGdJjuOqG+QM=; b=RiNZlBheBJyJexHwBkKU6Fot2c9pt+v5b6hWDBW/MYTmhI+EwVPxqw3Pehki2nxi0O TgYG26WLIpzmBPicXPU0BKgN9iHWLTOmMG2jtkLsSYlL08yMgAVEyRfDr25CO3kabqyK oB3IMQOB4LKVQTCbDWc54cHFy8d6URQ1c/cW+K7ELjnUhc2SSNV8IU4NhKsszeTKb7zo ufjl3gxztwUlfaAZU7foF4e8dH6BB9QHEDfpbwOuiQT8+D8wFlyydXmoET3LTak66Mag 2XrT01FqW1jUnc01Jg9Aq/uJ+8P8/+UeIc7Rul3vT9W06lYFxFQaLDEWn5274Kz9wl4E G63Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 14:51:44 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Tonight in SF: Matt's band Tiny Owl From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 21:51:45 +0000 (UTC) While we're mentioning shows that are happening in a few hours - tonight my improvised experimental/space rock band Tiny Owl (http://tinyowl.bandcamp.com) is playing at the Luggage Store gallery. Also on the bill are Kadet Kuhne (a computer musician) and Dapplegray (a drums & synth duo). The show is at 8:00 pm, at Luggage Store Gallery 1007 Market St San Francisco, CA $6-10 sliding scale We're on at around 8:45. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 00:26:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 710E718345B; Fri, 18 May 2012 00:26:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:importance :x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=/2Vxr5TYrbELQ+eG0ogWqoIjpZqATsjDdFieJo31tlQ=; b=eytXeflFBjWUfz0gY6WfYpEWkz7WbLtpfU/oBtAtec4hyYXBL4sqnvNoJhHQrQ44ap rr/DlaSFzIMcx95/u8LPwn3ndsqBnC90ubO+uqVoYXdOtYEMs6eyrzDDKxG7APNdkWJH CsckBDXSsBCylGsY1h11ZYjjlQkHEhK1aeSrY2qrbF4GC9eJFLDfzciW9BrPaQ5nmJ4h eDM1fnm86dVaWlNnTurIS7bNHsSChhXc8VpH44SKtIQMVlxqXvsS6yZlSysdxUJ7EgFp Q90v0tcQZvrYhOzB+5pHFPNtCVU1Lqwd8CfB7Wvv9avfqyJhp2sDMroSPegLl25fDZRW nbjA== Message-ID: <1D8CD372B1314CCEB4219D914D8FE53C@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Boise Creative & Improvised Music Festival" To: Subject: Fw: EchoLoop in Live -- any lick MIDI mapping with the FCB1010? Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 18:26:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 00:26:27 +0000 (UTC) I am going to post this here to see if anyone has figured out a solution. Basically, I am sending notes from the FCB1010 to Live. The cool thing is that in the looper's interface, and in Live, I can actually go into the MIDI map mode, click my mouse on the actual Record button in the looper interface, and Live will map one of my FCB1010 pedals to it. And I can see it trying to work when I press my FCB1010 food pedal. The problem is that when I do the mapping, in the parameters section of Live, for the looper (bottom of screen), it shows the parameter as a scale between 0 and 1, like a slider. When I press the button, it basically acts like a button press and hold, rather than a button press and release. I am thinking there must be something I can do in Live to re-interpret the FCB1010 notes data as a toggle and not a press and hold. On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Boise Creative & Improvised Music Festival wrote: > Per, have you used Matthias' EchoLoop in Live yet? > It seems to load up fine, but I am noticing some strange things when MIDI > mapping my FCB pedals to the buttons. For example, when I map to the > Record > button, and press it, it seems to hold the button down and not release. I > am assuming there is a toggle parameter in the looper somewhere? I do not > see it. > > Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 03:06:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44F7118345A; Fri, 18 May 2012 03:06:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=/K/BjvRElTb+Rc/XrlTs1NwwgvZxkwIceQ714kti55o=; b=xh8zK3K4qyV2LoYVoX4w4HMft68KvKxTB+pHQlb396r0GitJTpb28D95q86EZdQ7qC 2iIQ6TUM7zCGh8a2Oc723bFBZWmFMVhUL50AW67dm/QH3uKUOAMIXYNc33Ov7maOnKf4 48+/IJt+7rg9tCc/MF3Hn8Vjs50e/qukDoqDwIZ1G1qQbJiZ7Ml+A6WREBtHwt7Q5tqI CdHVBX53j3xfH4pFNTh7y+a/iBj3pAcogfpEXRWsjA+zBcbhEo8hPHxec3NQ+8wtQrli NqFhmJrtCSBibro6Ohw8XJQbzkxjSIj/FjqNUfl7srLbU6BkLf+ktyHBugE8XFINqTUp kjOg== References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-91B8D60D-0300-4022-A625-8B05D9FB4349 Message-Id: <9DEE35CB-1ECF-4C31-9521-54FBA0065C7F@gmail.com> Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) From: Jim Goodin Subject: Re: Tonight in NYC - Todd Reynolds & meself Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 23:06:18 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 03:06:21 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-91B8D60D-0300-4022-A625-8B05D9FB4349 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This was a stellar night, a wonderful blend of acoustic meets tape meets bow= ed pyro meets sampling and loops a plenty. Both gentlemen were top flight c= reativity doing range from 'song' to scape in solo and duo in a lovely intim= ate Williamsburg listening space. Pictures/video later. Kudos and congrats to Daryl and Todd on a moving collaborate show. It was g= reat to finally meet and hear Todd live after knowing him through this list.= Jim On May 17, 2012, at 5:11 PM, daryl shawn wrote: > I can't believe I neglected to announce this here, but for those loopers i= n NYC, Todd Reynolds and I will be doing our thing, with plenty of digital a= nd analog looping both, tonight at Firehouse Space in Williamsburg. Will try= to shoot some video for later dissertation. >=20 > http://www.thefirehousespace.org=20 > 8 pm, $10 >=20 > This is our first time playing live together. SUPER excited. >=20 > Daryl Shawn > www.darylshawn.com >=20 --Apple-Mail-91B8D60D-0300-4022-A625-8B05D9FB4349 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
This was a stellar night, a= wonderful blend of acoustic meets tape meets bowed pyro meets sampling and l= oops a plenty.  Both gentlemen were top flight creativity doing range f= rom 'song' to scape in solo and duo in a lovely intimate Williamsburg listen= ing space.   Pictures/video later.

Kudos and c= ongrats to Daryl and Todd on a moving collaborate show.  It was great t= o finally meet and hear Todd live after knowing him through this list.
=

Jim

On May 17, 2012, at 5:11 PM= , daryl shawn <darylshawn@gmail.c= om> wrote:

I c= an't believe I neglected to announce this here, but for those loopers in NYC= , Todd Reynolds and I will be doing our thing, with plenty of digital and an= alog looping both, tonight at Firehouse Space in Williamsburg. Will try to s= hoot some video for later dissertation.

8 pm, $10

Thi= s is our first time playing live together. SUPER excited.
= --Apple-Mail-91B8D60D-0300-4022-A625-8B05D9FB4349-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 06:19:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3110918345B; Fri, 18 May 2012 06:19:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: CT-One-Minute Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 08:19:26 +0200 Message-ID: <004801cd34be$2d1d7bf0$875873d0$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01CD34CE.F0A64BF0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac00vizLKSpb1gmgQIONkoKD8yKVGw== Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 06:19:40 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01CD34CE.F0A64BF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.ct-collective.com/index.cfm?page=3Dmusic = = &albumid=3D48 =20 check out the latest Chain Tape Collective release, a delightful = collection of one-minute pieces, many of them loop based =20 -Michael ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01CD34CE.F0A64BF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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-Michael

------=_NextPart_000_0049_01CD34CE.F0A64BF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 09:32:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2F4E18345A; Fri, 18 May 2012 09:32:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vgFu2Fl08vxDquh/9fM04RQFLeWQrkfhx+M3sT0z6FM=; b=xa4AC/p1AofMfR5zEEu6dENdkGnwypTnhTd+MGTAaVQAPmCTGhufpSoJ4ZAQPcDAhx 0+ivPduwGIKl7+kj8UmNEFlJMBM4yXa7a28PI23VZAp3jx4GL5QI5t7S2z59bLRQZynC vmG5jJy/kZiVS8FKVia/d0qSsVas6w4gGg5peItJTIY8b8yodPZ+6JTtKT0h6G+ArDBj 1E255R8ZlXASYzgaiWxewa3LTLIMUNL15stP04SMOoDqGKEFt3+a6lQJXYwW2/ZSssgH JsxqygjjrmTLut0ueYNXG1yW3LGSaedsQLDGiCJl7M4kk3zQhHkaaGeeR/m+uTMdkiG4 k8Tg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1D8CD372B1314CCEB4219D914D8FE53C@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <1D8CD372B1314CCEB4219D914D8FE53C@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 11:32:13 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fw: EchoLoop in Live -- any lick MIDI mapping with the FCB1010? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 09:32:14 +0000 (UTC) Can't you change in Live how it should interpret the MIDI event, momentary or not? If clicking down at the bottom of the MIDI learn screen - I've done that a lot here. But generally I think you will save a lot of unnecessary if you use the EchoLoop as Mathias intended it - like a software EDP clone bound to react with its actions to pre specified MIDI note events. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 2:26 AM, Boise Creative & Improvised Music Festival wrote: > I am going to post this here to see if anyone has figured out a solution. > Basically, I am sending notes from the FCB1010 to Live. =C2=A0The cool th= ing is > that in the looper's interface, and in Live, I can actually go into the M= IDI > map mode, click my mouse on the actual Record button in the looper > interface, and Live will map one of my FCB1010 pedals to it. And I can se= e > it trying to work when I press my FCB1010 food pedal. > > The problem is that when I do the mapping, in the parameters section of > Live, for the looper (bottom of screen), it shows the parameter as a scal= e > between 0 and 1, like a slider. When I press the button, it basically act= s > like a button press and hold, rather than a button press and release. =C2= =A0 I am > thinking there must be something I can do in Live to re-interpret the > FCB1010 notes data as a toggle and not a press and hold. > > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Boise Creative & Improvised Music > Festival wrote: > >> Per, have you used Matthias' EchoLoop in Live yet? >> It seems to load up fine, but I am noticing some strange things when MID= I >> mapping my FCB pedals to the buttons. =C2=A0For example, when I map to t= he >> Record >> button, and press it, it seems to hold the button down and not release. = =C2=A0I >> am assuming there is a toggle parameter in the looper somewhere? I do no= t >> see it. >> >> Kris >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 12:08:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7195A18345D; Fri, 18 May 2012 12:08:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=krEB2jpg1l1ueAJoaaelUT3waSb0pnEIPUjpbF6Taoo=; b=ovFUXPSTYdS+7V/QaZiUY+3smWPopXzsa5hO/sRKrHgRShbysfisgLCsupeAuDux3V Fmnt05QQ0wifjpuioRIRcSfxNjVYmQMeACh6sOld1DmgklidCeyGFZI7GLswU93ir5QW T44r0shwttySfK1C06lpmzK5D3Th9/ooayOJPuGlP16n7Tvf7wxYm0dW34eqwTZ3WlFF qHZoNciGAkEMk8/CSBEoTn32UYiGel+BJfCiRAfPtJRn53gbglbIE2c5f5D+yD2Kf98I OtAGsv7UqQbPtb7UwVYRiS0boQtEpFL4nF6OIL9RG9X1S3vXESldkbAhYLVIEZU6lK5O /riQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Torben Scharling Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 14:07:18 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Best/most suitable expression pedal (for Boomerang III/Novation ReMote 61) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 12:08:00 +0000 (UTC) Hello Y'all, I own a Roland EV-5 expression pedal, that works fine with both with my Boomerang III Phrase Sampler, and my Novation ReMote 61 SL midi keyboard. Now I wanna get one more (or two), so that I have one for both. Actually, I'd like to have 3 or 4 in total, one for the rang, 2 or 3 for the laptop. So that I can control different parameters with the expression pedals hooked up the laptop. So I guess this is actually a two part question. 1: Which additional expression pedal would you guys recommend ? (mind you I'm on a budget) I think the EV-5 is okay, so I wouldn't mind getting another one of those since they're cheap. But obviously there are better out there... 2: What would be the best solution in order to get some more expression pedals hooked up to my system? (So far I'm using a 15" MacBook Pro with the M-Audio FireWire 1814 soundcard, and obviously some sequencers with midi - the Novation keyboard is hooked up via USB, and the soundcard has got break out MIDI in/out if necessary) Btw. I'm trying to get as mobile and powerless system as possible I might as well ask a third question now that I'm at it: I wanna have my pedals etc. working using battery, and as few, but obviously some of the power, being drained from the laptop. So the Novation can use batteries, and bypass the laptop's usb power. My soundcard (and mic's) will get power through the firewire port. I'll be using a battery powered amplifier/speaker cabinet when necessary. My Boss LS-2 pedal can use a battery. However the Boomerang III only has power input. 3: So what would be the ideal "battery pack" for powering the Boomerang? Thanks guys :) http://torbenscharling.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 14:26:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF6BB18345C; Fri, 18 May 2012 14:26:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=psWcb5N98119OaOi9bjyg15qVElTHlpKZyP+LUQnThs= c=1 sm=1 a=YzQ6ajKwjJUA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:17 a=UoM31qY_AAAA:8 a=yM34gYePAAAA:8 a=tuu3GUKwG6kUC4UcaXIA:9 a=MaHgBZS1t7x4-teSnUEA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=abG5HrO0fNEA:10 a=n7kxrw8RKVPj5Z9p:21 a=Hl3LgYl1XoIZkwB-:21 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Best/most suitable expression pedal (for Boomerang III/Novation ReMote 61) From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 07:26:06 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 14:26:07 +0000 (UTC) Torben, I do not know if this would be helpful to you or not I use a lot of EV-5 pedals in my hybrid software/hardware set up (a = dozen to be exact). I am aware of alternatives out there to the EV-5 but not aware of = anything that is particularly **demonstrably** better for the price. If you want to plug multiple EV-5s (or some other sort of CV pedal) into = your MacBook via USB to control software may I suggest one of these: = I've been using one for over a couple of years now and it really works = quite well. The 4 individual ports on it can each be programed to work with a CV = pedal (like the EV-5) or a momentary switch (like a Yamaha FC5 = footswitch or anything similar). The brand of pedal is not that important. So you can imagine that with this you could have 2 CV pedals to control = parameters of software FX and 2 momentary switches to turn the FX on and = off or to step through a menu of FX presets, etc. (depending on how = flexible and programable your software is). It's a pretty light weight little plastic box, simple to plug in and = operate. It's not cheap...but it is a really good, dependable solution. EoWave is a French company, and getting stuff shipped to the US adds to = the price. I'm sure others here will pipe up with other ideas, but that's mine. It works for me, and I bought one as a gift for my pal, Jeff Kaiser, who = now uses one as well. And, Oh yes, USB powered, no batteries. Best, Ted Killian On May 18, 2012, at 5:07 AM, Torben Scharling wrote: > Hello Y'all, >=20 > I own a Roland EV-5 expression pedal, that works fine with both with > my Boomerang III Phrase Sampler, and my Novation ReMote 61 SL midi > keyboard. Now I wanna get one more (or two), so that I have one for > both. Actually, I'd like to have 3 or 4 in total, one for the rang, 2 > or 3 for the laptop. So that I can control different parameters with > the expression pedals hooked up the laptop. So I guess this is > actually a two part question. >=20 > 1: Which additional expression pedal would you guys recommend ? (mind > you I'm on a budget) I think the EV-5 is okay, so I wouldn't mind > getting another one of those since they're cheap. But obviously there > are better out there... >=20 > 2: What would be the best solution in order to get some more > expression pedals hooked up to my system? (So far I'm using a 15" > MacBook Pro with the M-Audio FireWire 1814 soundcard, and obviously > some sequencers with midi - the Novation keyboard is hooked up via > USB, and the soundcard has got break out MIDI in/out if necessary) > Btw. I'm trying to get as mobile and powerless system as possible >=20 > I might as well ask a third question now that I'm at it: I wanna have > my pedals etc. working using battery, and as few, but obviously some > of the power, being drained from the laptop. So the Novation can use > batteries, and bypass the laptop's usb power. My soundcard (and mic's) > will get power through the firewire port. I'll be using a battery > powered amplifier/speaker cabinet when necessary. My Boss LS-2 pedal > can use a battery. However the Boomerang III only has power input. >=20 > 3: So what would be the ideal "battery pack" for powering the = Boomerang? >=20 > Thanks guys :) >=20 > http://torbenscharling.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 14:57:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B486F18345B; Fri, 18 May 2012 14:57:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=st56ZQATAjvAv7vJF12YxB+sJ2XOuervHDsZnqSTISM=; b=M0OvOYaHlnQxhSfeA/IlOgPWTOVfGjTITjrzndflLk+yPV017kvLJtdI6lPEshm7xq wnoE1cbBjCAY0X7URC0wFO6wJkiY+s+McUonqNJL9DaDVI42ZatK3JOofWX+uTOX4eox 2q2DsP6/Hqg0xWhIeViAEUYYpIcVen7eziG1t7vp1sMyAaOCren1oneA9uqevOoV4QoN 3lev9Dh/ecZOtdCc+b5SlLllk7f1i8xaS9nulthgMINfvS2ZogqhX1PKUho9mfArd6nL 8KZCAdYIWUoSLAMP4Z4Rzhh8iWPemGq/JemAc/pMohiBpXWSeSetr4Lti0H270169LCh ARWw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: Torben Scharling Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 16:56:43 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Best/most suitable expression pedal (for Boomerang III/Novation ReMote 61) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <2p26t.A.VNE.VNmtPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 14:57:25 +0000 (UTC) Hey Ted, I'm in Copenhagen - Denmark, so it should be okay, that one looks perfect for my needs. I'd actually only need a couple and not 4 inputs, but I'll probably just go with that one if I can find one at a good price. Or maybe get an additional controller that has two exp inputs (if such exist) and then I could also use that, for playing where traveling is concerned, and I could leave the keyboard at home. I assumed the EV-5 would be okay, so yah unless I get other advice I'll probably just stick with that model. Now I'm thinking if a pedal board with two built in expression pedals might be the best thing ? However, I think something like the Behringer FCB1010 is way too big, and I don't like the buttons. I'd want something more minimal, which is why I was thinking of going for a couple of EV-5's, but suggestions are welcome. It'd be nice to hear what you different multi-instrumentalistic folks are using. Thanks again man, great info :) /Torben Scharling On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Ted Killian wrote= : > Torben, > > I do not know if this would be helpful to you or not > > I use a lot of EV-5 pedals in my hybrid software/hardware set up (a dozen= to be exact). > > I am aware of alternatives out there to the EV-5 but not aware of anythin= g that is particularly **demonstrably** better for the price. > > If you want to plug multiple EV-5s (or some other sort of CV pedal) into = your MacBook via USB to control software may I suggest one of these: > > I've been using one for over a couple of years now and it really works qu= ite well. > > The 4 individual ports on it can each be programed to work with a CV peda= l (like the EV-5) or a momentary switch (like a Yamaha FC5 footswitch or an= ything similar). > > The brand of pedal is not that important. > > So you can imagine that with this you could have 2 CV pedals to control p= arameters of software FX and 2 momentary switches to turn the FX on and off= or to step through a menu of FX presets, etc. (depending on how flexible a= nd programable your software is). > > It's a pretty light weight little plastic box, simple to plug in and oper= ate. > > It's not cheap...but it is a really good, dependable solution. > > EoWave is a French company, and getting stuff shipped to the US adds to t= he price. > > I'm sure others here will pipe up with other ideas, but that's mine. > > It works for me, and I bought one as a gift for my pal, Jeff Kaiser, who = now uses one as well. > > And, Oh yes, USB powered, no batteries. > > Best, > > Ted Killian > > On May 18, 2012, at 5:07 AM, Torben Scharling wrote: > >> Hello Y'all, >> >> I own a Roland EV-5 expression pedal, that works fine with both with >> my Boomerang III Phrase Sampler, and my Novation ReMote 61 SL midi >> keyboard. Now I wanna get one more (or two), so that I have one for >> both. Actually, I'd like to have 3 or 4 in total, one for the rang, 2 >> or 3 for the laptop. So that I can control different parameters with >> the expression pedals hooked up the laptop. So I guess this is >> actually a two part question. >> >> 1: Which additional expression pedal would you guys recommend ? (mind >> you I'm on a budget) I think the EV-5 is okay, so I wouldn't mind >> getting another one of those since they're cheap. But obviously there >> are better out there... >> >> 2: What would be the best solution in order to get some more >> expression pedals hooked up to my system? (So far I'm using a 15" >> MacBook Pro with the M-Audio FireWire 1814 soundcard, and obviously >> some sequencers with midi - the Novation keyboard is hooked up via >> USB, and the soundcard has got break out MIDI in/out if necessary) >> Btw. I'm trying to get as mobile and powerless system as possible >> >> I might as well ask a third question now that I'm at it: I wanna have >> my pedals etc. working using battery, and as few, but obviously some >> of the power, being drained from the laptop. So the Novation can use >> batteries, and bypass the laptop's usb power. My soundcard (and mic's) >> will get power through the firewire port. I'll be using a battery >> powered amplifier/speaker cabinet when necessary. My Boss LS-2 pedal >> can use a battery. However the Boomerang III only has power input. >> >> 3: So what would be the ideal "battery pack" for powering the Boomerang? >> >> Thanks guys :) >> >> http://torbenscharling.com > --=20 De Bedste Hilsner / Best Regards Torben Scharling - Mobile:=A0+45 61 66 60 09 - e-mail:=A0ts@torbenscharling= .com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 15:16:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A048018345D; Fri, 18 May 2012 15:16:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 771860687/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.28.231/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.28.231 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBADRntk9YbRzn/2dsb2JhbAANOIU0sVUBAQEEIxURJQoRCxgCAgUWCwICCQMCAQIBDzYZAwEXh2UDqXOJEA2JUoEmiGxtgiiCCoEUA5pfhT0Dh2A X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,617,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="771860687" Message-ID: <4FB667BE.8070701@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 16:16:14 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fw: EchoLoop in Live -- any lick MIDI mapping with the FCB1010? References: <1D8CD372B1314CCEB4219D914D8FE53C@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 15:16:06 +0000 (UTC) hi Kris, Per's right. Ableton is a tech support nightmare because people really want to use midi-learn/midi-map. They don't help at all, you need to pass the midi straight through to the plugin. ...and the fcb1010 has to be programmed as if for a Hardware EDP. If you *have* got midi-learn stuff set-up then it can only interfere with how it all should work. Essentially, you just need to plug your virtual midi cable into the plugin. (except that the UI in Ableton isn't all that user friendly). I'll send you a copy of my HOWTO off-list (it has screenshots that don't travel by mailing list). andy Per Boysen wrote: > Can't you change in Live how it should interpret the MIDI event, > momentary or not? If clicking down at the bottom of the MIDI learn > screen - I've done that a lot here. > > But generally I think you will save a lot of unnecessary if you use > the EchoLoop as Mathias intended it - like a software EDP clone bound > to react with its actions to pre specified MIDI note events. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 2:26 AM, Boise Creative & Improvised Music > Festival wrote: >> I am going to post this here to see if anyone has figured out a solution. >> Basically, I am sending notes from the FCB1010 to Live. The cool thing is >> that in the looper's interface, and in Live, I can actually go into the MIDI >> map mode, click my mouse on the actual Record button in the looper >> interface, and Live will map one of my FCB1010 pedals to it. And I can see >> it trying to work when I press my FCB1010 food pedal. >> >> The problem is that when I do the mapping, in the parameters section of >> Live, for the looper (bottom of screen), it shows the parameter as a scale >> between 0 and 1, like a slider. When I press the button, it basically acts >> like a button press and hold, rather than a button press and release. I am >> thinking there must be something I can do in Live to re-interpret the >> FCB1010 notes data as a toggle and not a press and hold. >> >> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Boise Creative & Improvised Music >> Festival wrote: >> >>> Per, have you used Matthias' EchoLoop in Live yet? >>> It seems to load up fine, but I am noticing some strange things when MIDI >>> mapping my FCB pedals to the buttons. For example, when I map to the >>> Record >>> button, and press it, it seems to hold the button down and not release. I >>> am assuming there is a toggle parameter in the looper somewhere? I do not >>> see it. >>> >>> Kris >>> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 15:39:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86F8218345C; Fri, 18 May 2012 15:39:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 775707949/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.28.231/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.28.231 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAMZstk9YbRzn/2dsb2JhbAANOLcJAQEBAwE4RgsLISUPAkYcAYgFvF6NJ4MeA5pfjSA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,617,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="775707949" Message-ID: <4FB66D2F.50602@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 16:39:27 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Best/most suitable expression pedal (for Boomerang III/Novation ReMote 61) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 15:39:27 +0000 (UTC) Torben Scharling wrote: > EV-5's, but suggestions > are welcome. I've used the Bespeco equivalents pretty extensively. Not had any problems. Just the occasional tightening/adjustment with heavy use. Big price difference...afaik that's about it. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 15:43:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57A7418345D; Fri, 18 May 2012 15:43:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=Hdy4pzD/k2Nj3tOxWmzgyjfGVqebQSswftqc6phE0Og=; b=I1ciNNhPU5Xi6Z/nLLpjnNG3GtT+Q8dH2NPAAuNlHVu/Q8TXSbSFB045cifbK3Gnq9 HpO4Wk8rb+UHLGtKeF8XWpcMwB389hcLv/GiU80hPgHUsU3SiaTrkFc3dR8fuvl/s73y 3fK+klIH2X2TxEOwSclUGXwov96CRSjgVvOfmr/vQRYarGqs0Q0t4TYP61mfbOA/DTlU OEeucdwAZI8umSkR6bXtOudBP47qAFm/0S7hXD2PxftJujfxnuV8t4OW0eAigL4wxpC8 8u3YJD3lxS+XJY66wgLzvro9DMxLizrgiK4xkc1oqPMygIt5V35gSSI6o626k57EBjJe 3slw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FB66D2F.50602@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4FB66D2F.50602@tiscali.co.uk> From: Torben Scharling Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 17:43:06 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Best/most suitable expression pedal (for Boomerang III/Novation ReMote 61) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 15:43:48 +0000 (UTC) Nice, I'm a fan of the price already! :) > I've used the Bespeco equivalents pretty extensively. > Not had any problems. Just the occasional tightening/adjustment with heavy > use. > Big price difference...afaik that's about it. > > andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 15:58:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D61C18345E; Fri, 18 May 2012 15:58:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:subject:from:to:cc:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer; bh=1R642kFyJt5u47QsPCS8DY/uB77ZcK0m/uAntn12zxk=; b=HfXPxEJVJc6/7VakKqnWFZZPDhr4OOFzd3MS3YnuoOpB2txSsRh52tHESBAN1DqyN3 pLvcrpKjgCode7x9NXeUeoFXkQjrgVv595B2dN//homPPvdIw1LKmTnHhbUMsk/TEU+/ eO82jvGQsKMApJ5ldTeBWQ3N8LosLQx228PoDmVCD3QPyup59O9yp3zBd8gXMy6kz9KQ +AO+b3xW6oZjPIewBmncgBdlE1WrvElHIKpTU9/MGNynPzouGb3DbWmsPnxgXmYl/oTq HdD4Bv3Cat1V0/X8p1IWTVndjt1JwAutBvMBQucQ9OTrx5yIUYgjJzBMiMJGWGPzXghh gl4A== Message-ID: <4fb6719d.c505440a.67a5.1786@mx.google.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 08:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Cheap sampler From: "k3zz21@gmail.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Seven Enterprise Gateway (v 2.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 15:58:24 +0000 (UTC) Whats a good sampler that is cheap. Im looking for one that is simply the machine itself that i could just connect my midi controllers to for triggering the samples. And i want it to be able to hold a memory card or something. Any suggestions? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 16:06:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71AE2183462; Fri, 18 May 2012 16:06:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=i1mpVLyzJmwiRSisFo6VImkVutetv+bQpP+kNpAe6mJCJgrRKG+ANF4iLBYtBI0n; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4fb6719d.c505440a.67a5.1786@mx.google.com> References: <4fb6719d.c505440a.67a5.1786@mx.google.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 12:05:52 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Cheap sampler Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79aa8efb541ab7ddf4f236d30ac25176df350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 16:06:00 +0000 (UTC) iPad + Faithlight Pro App + Alesis IO dock At 08:58 -0700 18/5/12, k3zz21@gmail.com wrote: >Whats a good sampler that is cheap. Im looking for one that is >simply the machine itself that i could just connect my midi >controllers to for triggering the samples. And i want it to be able >to hold a memory card or something. Any suggestions? -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 16:19:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5CA318345C; Fri, 18 May 2012 16:19:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=g879SqEYymUztvqxTd6a5Gsu70EZ8uSsjRiUu4L9jJU=; b=km6x2VXY3XxDHwX4IwzqcrJiFwnGDPlGIKcSt1oBDQa561+vBseU+my9LYyZ1kVdzH n8SuSrRNgXCHnapktpx9iMRXLe2vEeIKNcEumlSAZV3H9BqlMebZR432FcS5Eh3aPMcR JsKeTDXDWkTr7RYmWDfZNDMpak5vV7j2S1ZcHD7Boz8G4rMnegH9HbCB8uDETMmoB4pe m1mkYhqfYy/ec9rbznrsoz+zRsJzUZ/L2VNhJX024J9CeXAF3ERczr6vigkeqIOjPH+s tTRbo57AKnlggmsz5hCj2ZvHn+uwEkRpoEQdtujmNnCSzQssOWopLfbBHVg9K2Z56vGK xsYw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 18:19:25 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Best/most suitable expression pedal (for Boomerang III/Novation ReMote 61) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 16:19:26 +0000 (UTC) I can't answer the specific question regarding what is best for the Rang 3, but like Ted I use EV-5 pedals. Four of them, CV to MIDI conversion handled by a Gordius Little Giant for a vast laptop based rig. EV-5s are easy to pick up anywhere if one should go sudden belly-up, but that hasn't happened to me yet. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Ted Killian wrote= : > Torben, > > I do not know if this would be helpful to you or not > > I use a lot of EV-5 pedals in my hybrid software/hardware set up (a dozen= to be exact). > > I am aware of alternatives out there to the EV-5 but not aware of anythin= g that is particularly **demonstrably** better for the price. > > If you want to plug multiple EV-5s (or some other sort of CV pedal) into = your MacBook via USB to control software may I suggest one of these: > > I've been using one for over a couple of years now and it really works qu= ite well. > > The 4 individual ports on it can each be programed to work with a CV peda= l (like the EV-5) or a momentary switch (like a Yamaha FC5 footswitch or an= ything similar). > > The brand of pedal is not that important. > > So you can imagine that with this you could have 2 CV pedals to control p= arameters of software FX and 2 momentary switches to turn the FX on and off= or to step through a menu of FX presets, etc. (depending on how flexible a= nd programable your software is). > > It's a pretty light weight little plastic box, simple to plug in and oper= ate. > > It's not cheap...but it is a really good, dependable solution. > > EoWave is a French company, and getting stuff shipped to the US adds to t= he price. > > I'm sure others here will pipe up with other ideas, but that's mine. > > It works for me, and I bought one as a gift for my pal, Jeff Kaiser, who = now uses one as well. > > And, Oh yes, USB powered, no batteries. > > Best, > > Ted Killian > > On May 18, 2012, at 5:07 AM, Torben Scharling wrote: > >> Hello Y'all, >> >> I own a Roland EV-5 expression pedal, that works fine with both with >> my Boomerang III Phrase Sampler, and my Novation ReMote 61 SL midi >> keyboard. Now I wanna get one more (or two), so that I have one for >> both. Actually, I'd like to have 3 or 4 in total, one for the rang, 2 >> or 3 for the laptop. So that I can control different parameters with >> the expression pedals hooked up the laptop. So I guess this is >> actually a two part question. >> >> 1: Which additional expression pedal would you guys recommend ? (mind >> you I'm on a budget) I think the EV-5 is okay, so I wouldn't mind >> getting another one of those since they're cheap. But obviously there >> are better out there... >> >> 2: What would be the best solution in order to get some more >> expression pedals hooked up to my system? (So far I'm using a 15" >> MacBook Pro with the M-Audio FireWire 1814 soundcard, and obviously >> some sequencers with midi - the Novation keyboard is hooked up via >> USB, and the soundcard has got break out MIDI in/out if necessary) >> Btw. I'm trying to get as mobile and powerless system as possible >> >> I might as well ask a third question now that I'm at it: I wanna have >> my pedals etc. working using battery, and as few, but obviously some >> of the power, being drained from the laptop. So the Novation can use >> batteries, and bypass the laptop's usb power. My soundcard (and mic's) >> will get power through the firewire port. I'll be using a battery >> powered amplifier/speaker cabinet when necessary. My Boss LS-2 pedal >> can use a battery. However the Boomerang III only has power input. >> >> 3: So what would be the ideal "battery pack" for powering the Boomerang? >> >> Thanks guys :) >> >> http://torbenscharling.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 16:26:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36CA218345C; Fri, 18 May 2012 16:26:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=IXP4UNq4miHBNc3NvjyQ413dapal2XCEfuDYXV+yKe0=; b=p550njzFCZqyJQbCzInJrzk8NTzKuAR767LLtn74jD7OYC1Eh0EQiFqceolDY9CQbj /WmMdsCDUfiOZE1RvivQz8n7mVkutbCyv8Su1v7mUrOhEMkyoPUKVnLCFZxXXLxjtnf4 bBT587MTSse1aLLc8ZxQL9y74VopjqMUX9clTGv9N6IX1CVNwxuI/+Rc1yHVK5DGqlhp e2GCnky3TSQo+5maNAWv9/2iQbVrDS+Hh20Dh/JjhUpc81tUgwJx14hKnGlnqq8+jkfF L6EDw6oZL6sLDM4l/Cov79oAOrAtHaxO962BhyNBEGY5TJHTklnaxY9ekYUp5BuCv/4H 8Scg== Message-ID: <9B9C99DD7910489C91A8B32FC70D76C9@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <1D8CD372B1314CCEB4219D914D8FE53C@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4FB667BE.8070701@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4FB667BE.8070701@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: EchoLoop in Live -- any lick MIDI mapping with the FCB1010? Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 10:26:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 16:26:34 +0000 (UTC) Well, I'm trying. I cleared all MIDI mapping to the looper in Live. I created a MIDI track which gets its data from my FCB via my RME Fireface 400 MIDI In. Then I sent the output of that MIDI track to the Aux B track that is hosting the looper. I also set my Record button on the FCB to Note #38. The looper still isn't responding. Actually using the MIDI Mapping on Live could potentially work fine. I can actually map any button on the looper to a MIDI note coming in from my FCB. The problem is that when I press a button on my FCB, let's say to trigger Record, Live sends it to the looper as a momentary button press, not toggle. So, in detail: 1. I go into the Live MIDI map mode. 2. I mouse click the Record button on the EchoLoop 3. I hit a button on the FCB controller 4. It creates a MIDI map line item in the MIDI map screen: Note D1; Record; min value is 0; max value is 1 5. I exit MIDI map mode 6. I hit my Record button on the FCB controller 7. The value for the Record parameter (shown as a horizontal slider) in Live moves from 0 to 1, but stays at 1. 8. The Record button on the looper lights up for a moment and nothing happens - basically a reset (Record button hold) Now, if I quickly hit my FCB record button twice, very quickly, then the looper starts to record! So I need the button to act like a toggle. Why Live does not allow me to change that behavior is baffling. That would be such a simple solution. Kris -----Original Message----- From: andy butler Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 9:16 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fw: EchoLoop in Live -- any lick MIDI mapping with the FCB1010? hi Kris, Per's right. Ableton is a tech support nightmare because people really want to use midi-learn/midi-map. They don't help at all, you need to pass the midi straight through to the plugin. ...and the fcb1010 has to be programmed as if for a Hardware EDP. If you *have* got midi-learn stuff set-up then it can only interfere with how it all should work. Essentially, you just need to plug your virtual midi cable into the plugin. (except that the UI in Ableton isn't all that user friendly). I'll send you a copy of my HOWTO off-list (it has screenshots that don't travel by mailing list). andy Per Boysen wrote: > Can't you change in Live how it should interpret the MIDI event, > momentary or not? If clicking down at the bottom of the MIDI learn > screen - I've done that a lot here. > > But generally I think you will save a lot of unnecessary if you use > the EchoLoop as Mathias intended it - like a software EDP clone bound > to react with its actions to pre specified MIDI note events. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 2:26 AM, Boise Creative & Improvised Music > Festival wrote: >> I am going to post this here to see if anyone has figured out a solution. >> Basically, I am sending notes from the FCB1010 to Live. The cool thing >> is >> that in the looper's interface, and in Live, I can actually go into the >> MIDI >> map mode, click my mouse on the actual Record button in the looper >> interface, and Live will map one of my FCB1010 pedals to it. And I can >> see >> it trying to work when I press my FCB1010 food pedal. >> >> The problem is that when I do the mapping, in the parameters section of >> Live, for the looper (bottom of screen), it shows the parameter as a >> scale >> between 0 and 1, like a slider. When I press the button, it basically >> acts >> like a button press and hold, rather than a button press and release. I >> am >> thinking there must be something I can do in Live to re-interpret the >> FCB1010 notes data as a toggle and not a press and hold. >> >> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Boise Creative & Improvised Music >> Festival wrote: >> >>> Per, have you used Matthias' EchoLoop in Live yet? >>> It seems to load up fine, but I am noticing some strange things when >>> MIDI >>> mapping my FCB pedals to the buttons. For example, when I map to the >>> Record >>> button, and press it, it seems to hold the button down and not release. >>> I >>> am assuming there is a toggle parameter in the looper somewhere? I do >>> not >>> see it. >>> >>> Kris >>> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 16:28:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D860D18345C; Fri, 18 May 2012 16:28:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JYQIUidRAECiNa+jsiaNMIhYElg3H2WoMKCJIGO75f4= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=1mPEbzcIwNq/5QazqZV7BA==:17 a=5Up8faWwAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=d3s395feAAAA:8 a=cWZZncLVAAAA:8 a=Cd49tnEHAAAA:8 a=HgKaamp7yrQg0bfa5YwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=v6MMM96S_sUA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=Z78xJ6UTvojwwVrK:21 a=6w0HFBYHdtxOiCjh:21 a=1mPEbzcIwNq/5QazqZV7BA==:117 X-Auth-id: dGhldG95cm9vbUBjaGFydGVyLm5ldA== Subject: Re: Cheap sampler References: <4fb6719d.c505440a.67a5.1786@mx.google.com> From: Richard Atkinson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8A306) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <311F1A71-A2F8-47A8-852A-BBDC4F3D9B89@charter.net> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 09:28:04 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8A306) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 16:28:39 +0000 (UTC) Somehow that doesn't seem to fall in the cheap range! How many samples do you need immediate access to? If you just need a small batch, a used Korg Electribe might do the trick...j= ust use it as a sampler, rather than a drum machine. Uses smart media and h= as a warm, grungy sound. It would also depend on how you are loading samples. The ES-1 is very fun an= d fast sampling through the analog inputs. Loading the card via computer is m= uch more cryptic. Sent from my iPhone On May 18, 2012, at 9:05 AM, Charles Zwicky wrote: > iPad + Faithlight Pro App + Alesis IO dock >=20 > At 08:58 -0700 18/5/12, k3zz21@gmail.com wrote: >> Whats a good sampler that is cheap. Im looking for one that is simply the= machine itself that i could just connect my midi controllers to for trigger= ing the samples. And i want it to be able to hold a memory card or something= . Any suggestions? >=20 >=20 > --=20 >=20 > ... > http://www.zmix.net >=20 > http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky >=20 > http://albumcredits.com/zmix >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 16:30:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5F4718345C; Fri, 18 May 2012 16:30:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:importance :x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=Y1jXJvCqfU8HU5yiNKFzl1D4gcYBOOmT4LPdLB0uXBY=; b=fNhnBtaebcM3JwSFHT02actqR0FmIrRVbGxEBcTe15xTp5a1vTTUOUqslnpmKqyDsK t4fSZ1m23hzDFlNLv0EABSREyV25pGgrRYknGws4POPxK5iBRGq7yTHEE2uXCv47c+EH 6lgLzUs7Q5l1ZPm8gRlzww39wqq+lEbtw2E4vtkNser3N51u2WbynxPeB934l8TNCPMy 3QVTwWpDHrrLnk/5JNXXRC/8RttjtWQ/gW9JTkwyclxCvMjnaqnCAxHiOfCSKoZ6lc+N iCRulMLuC+Z1PvGg7YwN3OroF/1pc3bP9TrBDeFyZMIJkl+JHtDr1oNgPtgcGfOcaLaQ TYQA== Message-ID: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Re: EchoLoop in Live -- any lick MIDI mapping with the FCB1010? Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 10:30:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 16:30:55 +0000 (UTC) Isn't there a way to program the FCB so that a button push is a toggle, on then off? It it could send two quick button pushes to the looper, then that would work. -----Original Message----- Well, I'm trying. I cleared all MIDI mapping to the looper in Live. I created a MIDI track which gets its data from my FCB via my RME Fireface 400 MIDI In. Then I sent the output of that MIDI track to the Aux B track that is hosting the looper. I also set my Record button on the FCB to Note #38. The looper still isn't responding. Actually using the MIDI Mapping on Live could potentially work fine. I can actually map any button on the looper to a MIDI note coming in from my FCB. The problem is that when I press a button on my FCB, let's say to trigger Record, Live sends it to the looper as a momentary button press, not toggle. So, in detail: 1. I go into the Live MIDI map mode. 2. I mouse click the Record button on the EchoLoop 3. I hit a button on the FCB controller 4. It creates a MIDI map line item in the MIDI map screen: Note D1; Record; min value is 0; max value is 1 5. I exit MIDI map mode 6. I hit my Record button on the FCB controller 7. The value for the Record parameter (shown as a horizontal slider) in Live moves from 0 to 1, but stays at 1. 8. The Record button on the looper lights up for a moment and nothing happens - basically a reset (Record button hold) Now, if I quickly hit my FCB record button twice, very quickly, then the looper starts to record! So I need the button to act like a toggle. Why Live does not allow me to change that behavior is baffling. That would be such a simple solution. Kris -----Original Message----- hi Kris, Per's right. Ableton is a tech support nightmare because people really want to use midi-learn/midi-map. They don't help at all, you need to pass the midi straight through to the plugin. ...and the fcb1010 has to be programmed as if for a Hardware EDP. If you *have* got midi-learn stuff set-up then it can only interfere with how it all should work. Essentially, you just need to plug your virtual midi cable into the plugin. (except that the UI in Ableton isn't all that user friendly). I'll send you a copy of my HOWTO off-list (it has screenshots that don't travel by mailing list). andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 16:45:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17B55183460; Fri, 18 May 2012 16:45:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=34xqewsBvF1xbP4EiSzgvaw7ZH8hoHbfBplHPB+b77U=; b=fm6wQNBM9zXLVnoxBWv3j93/ObPPg+rQeyXyrSWCPN5/QLVPsvDMSY4/aOTq9cEJxW rYYPMjfStmGncgdgk34FXDtR+aBefFJkAvFOH0pBqnrfPLFkr1YJje0igSek4Rc26rYS yw+EkT664V0jiFPhcNRUcJkZ+7yNuEs4uJ0s+wz81U9p55RZbKciKHxqdic0wS4BgsKQ K1/2fB+68cW0Cb8M3rP4ttHRZxHnVkZjzLB7hhPx588wQ5/ktmIqFVOB+Se+hhF7+580 cL94smRtU2jBP6mBmelptyMfWLMUb9PNbDA1JFUbwKUm6PsZWl6MWz31h0BUo+Kwm3mx Z0vw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9B9C99DD7910489C91A8B32FC70D76C9@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <1D8CD372B1314CCEB4219D914D8FE53C@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4FB667BE.8070701@tiscali.co.uk> <9B9C99DD7910489C91A8B32FC70D76C9@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 18:45:48 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: EchoLoop in Live -- any lick MIDI mapping with the FCB1010? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 16:45:48 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Kris Hartung w= rote: > Well, I'm trying. I cleared all MIDI mapping to the looper in Live. I > created a MIDI track which gets its data from my FCB via my RME Fireface = 400 > MIDI In. Then I sent the output of that MIDI track to the Aux B track tha= t > is hosting the looper. =C2=A0I also set my Record button on the FCB to No= te #38. > The looper still isn't responding. WRONG-G-G!!!! (sharp *bell hit* alarm sound) Live can't pipe MIDI into stuff placed on effect return tracks. Here's how to do it: 1) Insert EchoLoop on a MIDI Track. 2) Set that MIDI track to listen to your FCB. 3) Set that MIDI track to "Monitor =3D In". 4) Bring in your audio instrument live signal input through an Audio Track. 5) Set that Audio Track to "Monitor =3D In". 6) Set that Audio Track to "Audio To =3D Sends Only". 7) Send from that Audio Track to "A Return". 8) For "A Return" set "Audio To =3D the MIDI track hosting EchoLoop". 9) Loop ahead! :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 16:53:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9029818345C; Fri, 18 May 2012 16:53:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject :date:references:x-mailer; bh=iC5cfqEnRRd7+Dcx0zUpEc6X/KR6ufw1WK0ErgpNW2o=; b=xR6ELzdA1Gr9LKpdK+mHajbCow7zj8nHZ0qBQ8OzPvdkbqEsJuW0o/eYEtHQrPoZbW bgb7oX1uIXClQq8jk0K5w1W6VG4J3+yf8y3Zj3im8ppMOnn4cvAK/adITPNmqpE6Eabx YIOdhXLkDi3UHSC6O208JE1kcJos32oA3sJwBLT8RowYH7pZQaEwmhdhT5Nw8+asAJjq dH5P+4y19Z+JGnwWonsxNLCzyoBXghBE1yUMFYyqoBo6dwaEQJSMZulftCGM0zIeDEIr 4OWbn/iIXkV6d0AVnr+LJylsGL/v2f8DPY+R77wr1OQRqHcuaCzdr7yVLequzn0dYudx Dxag== Message-Id: <84E7030A-E966-4A8A-A22B-646ACEB7F40C@gmail.com> From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4fb6719d.c505440a.67a5.1786@mx.google.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-423007689 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Cheap sampler Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 09:52:56 -0700 References: <4fb6719d.c505440a.67a5.1786@mx.google.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 16:53:02 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-423007689 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On May 18, 2012, at 8:58 AM, k3zz21@gmail.com wrote: > Whats a good sampler that is cheap. Im looking for one that is > simply the machine itself that i could just connect my midi > controllers to for triggering the samples. I have a mint condition Zoom Sampletrak, basically a Zoom drum machine that you can load your own samples into, that I will sell for $150 plus shipping (preferably in USA). Power supply, manual, plus an extra memory card never used. BobC --Apple-Mail-1-423007689 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On May 18, 2012, = at 8:58 AM, k3zz21@gmail.com = wrote:

Whats a good = sampler that is cheap. Im looking for one that is simply the machine = itself that i could just connect my midi controllers to for triggering = the samples.


I have a mint = condition Zoom Sampletrak, basically a Zoom drum machine that you = can load your own samples into,
that I will sell for $150 plus = shipping (preferably in USA).
Power supply, manual, plus an = extra memory card never = used.

BobC
= --Apple-Mail-1-423007689-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 16:57:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDC70183454; Fri, 18 May 2012 16:57:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject :date:references:x-mailer; bh=i5c980ZZUPMckW1ACjJJQx1uAKbaTAtqctyzWsA3Tyw=; b=NtpD+5ekZcJYFg3dWzDUmC2U+zEq7GecD8mXJUu9lH8t+iCOqKPgNXYRMYazA+YgXl NhBXKPwXzIiNvmWA2GJHds42/yqJOUwGcYkFejNKHHohGyX1Z0hpQ9mQG0uozRHwI/Gn dgpa89OZv7Lxs80tZd8nhoKTlVHFjKoj6rpsP4fQwfEgCj/1XU3keBUeGJPcFIOAA2ef F0ilzXCOVFIoxwow1xZgjCcFONo36FJA2LYK/n1eQAVV3R3ikcCyyfSIRbIq2lpnmOtK z8ACfP9Mx4htDw2X678wUDF6KcwXtLdLhr4QB83XbM40JI9B4VZ1De5MiZqzLq7bNIcI HPZg== Message-Id: <2B2FD98C-EF30-43AD-AABC-4E5758BC6CB2@gmail.com> From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-423303729 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Cheap sampler Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 09:57:52 -0700 References: <4fb6719d.c505440a.67a5.1786@mx.google.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 16:57:56 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-423303729 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On May 18, 2012, at 9:05 AM, Charles Zwicky wrote: > Faithlight Pro App Hi I am not spotting that app in the itunes store or anywhere. What is it? BobC --Apple-Mail-2-423303729 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Faithlight = Pro App

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I = am not spotting that app in the itunes store or =  anywhere.
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BobC
= --Apple-Mail-2-423303729-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 17:04:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A5B318345C; Fri, 18 May 2012 17:04:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=FvmyUOnWgwGjyMutGDjGuEykV+IaqobL9uBxBDsBHxg=; b=K0W0GmLXsmaiD99HA3egVUYKFXSLLOZEMn6MF+0O5V+s3cGhhr/WO5k8qmSukPS4yt jLWB2pFd4L8IaixvC6DDHrecvsuPJ04kzMHhhIEteV3AHOh9QIZtZKNsQUR7mhCj1yK3 SF1358dyb3WSji853mq1b4/pPJa1e9tlHH5jUauYoGzx43MTFKBBouRxv8AS7rEgPa5s vSaw93QZc8rp45XM6slTPlnEasIrSYeHYnnOyVfC/mQofgz03Rz1CWLVnqCZtlcZ7B49 /PiM5mbR/7f/v5FLoyRYUuMrtnng4WgbpPeaoJnN/b0CFBeKFbweiIjwrlQBDb/E/cCU iLUw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2B2FD98C-EF30-43AD-AABC-4E5758BC6CB2@gmail.com> References: <4fb6719d.c505440a.67a5.1786@mx.google.com> <2B2FD98C-EF30-43AD-AABC-4E5758BC6CB2@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 10:04:54 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cheap sampler From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 17:04:56 +0000 (UTC) Fairlight. Very complicated app as far as I've been able to tell. It emulates the old Fairlight a little too closely (I mean you can even make it smoke if you choose the wrong voltage (virtual) when you start it). But if you like the sounds of the 80s it may be perfect for you. Kevin On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 9:57 AM, RP Collier wrote: > > On May 18, 2012, at 9:05 AM, Charles Zwicky wrote: > > Faithlight Pro App > > > Hi > > I am not spotting that app in the itunes store or =A0anywhere. > What is it? > > BobC --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 17:05:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8576B18345E; Fri, 18 May 2012 17:05:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=V1x/OwMXdK3QAdebsn123/X/DPQe1oemEQAcKVrrWlaB+QiK31gFUwZYcIDY36+2; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2B2FD98C-EF30-43AD-AABC-4E5758BC6CB2@gmail.com> References: <4fb6719d.c505440a.67a5.1786@mx.google.com> <2B2FD98C-EF30-43AD-AABC-4E5758BC6CB2@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 13:05:36 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Cheap sampler Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec795b4aaccc9c9598f2100f562d9d6d8442350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 17:05:41 +0000 (UTC) Hi BobC, Here you go: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fairlight-pro/id427747876?mt=8 http://fairlightinstruments.com.au/ios It's the entire Fairlight instrument and it's original sample library. It's fantastic. At 09:57 -0700 18/5/12, RP Collier wrote: >On May 18, 2012, at 9:05 AM, Charles Zwicky wrote: > >>Faithlight Pro App >> > >Hi > >I am not spotting that app in the itunes store or anywhere. >What is it? > >BobC -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 17:35:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1F3A183455; Fri, 18 May 2012 17:35:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 775743826/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.28.231/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.28.231 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAMGHtk9YbRzn/2dsb2JhbAANOIU0sW0BAQEDASMVQAYLCxoCBRYLAgIJAwIBAgFFHAGIBalrknOBJowBggqBFAOaX40g X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,618,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="775743826" Message-ID: <4FB68879.1060705@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 18:35:53 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EchoLoop in Live -- any lick MIDI mapping with the FCB1010? References: <1D8CD372B1314CCEB4219D914D8FE53C@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4FB667BE.8070701@tiscali.co.uk> <9B9C99DD7910489C91A8B32FC70D76C9@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <9B9C99DD7910489C91A8B32FC70D76C9@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 17:35:44 +0000 (UTC) Kris Hartung wrote: > Actually using the MIDI Mapping on Live could potentially work fine. I don't think it passes midi Note-Off to the plugin. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 17:36:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06CA118345E; Fri, 18 May 2012 17:36:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=IHpJFatA4fZneMx60rQt4Zunp20KCnIrSwZIq4DOR28=; b=XxVX4k4cUz1SqcZeNZ4YLrLQyBpxVw0F85r1rsYTjgGs0qNSypteCPxKxyjk+2Hjik tcOY+E0W7zbxpkiUhjZUA8JDpejfwTXOuFcBJSaUlwKiw5FoUQWz0aeaVOWmFxtsCXoz oNzRWeJ+IK75MrgcPJDlKTYVQBZozZDGtfn/Y5XJ98YjzEqrkTsTwCvR5bPnrn8sBSL3 A9zvV/kSrGuy+qD0x//a4g1bDjzCiiPOE1VEDZ5iHm8bvg0y6I/+IlxxPdvHDhk0eW6f 2sIOq2YRAo+GeKS6kzHCgHZfQ2FEEfM4yXaP92iZICxiRig9UKpbXXN6/s2yIhs2B2Lt m9Rw== Message-ID: <4B17458602CA44C9BAAEE1180047B1F1@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <1D8CD372B1314CCEB4219D914D8FE53C@americas.hpqcorp.net><4FB667BE.8070701@tiscali.co.uk><9B9C99DD7910489C91A8B32FC70D76C9@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: EchoLoop in Live -- any lick MIDI mapping with the FCB1010? Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 11:36:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 17:36:39 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Per. See below -----Original Message----- Live can't pipe MIDI into stuff placed on effect return tracks. Here's how to do it: 1) Insert EchoLoop on a MIDI Track. DONE 2) Set that MIDI track to listen to your FCB. DONE 3) Set that MIDI track to "Monitor = In". DONE 4) Bring in your audio instrument live signal input through an Audio Track. DONE 5) Set that Audio Track to "Monitor = In". DONE 6) Set that Audio Track to "Audio To = Sends Only". DONE 7) Send from that Audio Track to "A Return". DONE 8) For "A Return" set "Audio To = the MIDI track hosting EchoLoop". Won't work. The MIDI track with the looper in it does not show in the drop down list of tracks I can send to from the Aux. I don't understand why I would put the looper in a MIDI track. I also tried putting the looper in its own Audio track. Then I created a MIDI track that listens to the FCB and sends its output to that Looper track. The EchoLoop still won't listen. 9) Loop ahead! :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 17:42:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 779B018345E; Fri, 18 May 2012 17:42:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 766132382/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.28.231/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.28.231 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgECAE6Jtk9YbRzn/2dsb2JhbAANFyGFNLFtAQEBAwEjFUAGCwsaAgUWCwICCQMCAQIBRRwBiAWpapJzgSaMAYIKgRQDml+NIA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,618,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="766132382" Message-ID: <4FB68A24.8090709@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 18:43:00 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EchoLoop in Live -- any lick MIDI mapping with the FCB1010? References: <1D8CD372B1314CCEB4219D914D8FE53C@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4FB667BE.8070701@tiscali.co.uk> <9B9C99DD7910489C91A8B32FC70D76C9@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 17:42:51 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > WRONG-G-G!!!! (sharp *bell hit* alarm sound) ...a bit harsh ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 17:55:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C38018345D; Fri, 18 May 2012 17:55:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=dpKSt9iZIsynbwhep7pexc2oGzkiJ5SCR5ysq5/fNt8=; b=Dt1YAilqvdErL8FSq+g1mwZiXGqA25XbhfM9bysF2ry9xRCzoZuPzhV8gM7B0T+odm JRkE/Xc+KnUuOrK9/cC2SWs1sBWqdrZQmwHl2JO0tbkkPL1Wh/6/3OuxkC/1h4RBQiO/ eZuCdGZKYBDEF3zFCuSWaQMpY8JbO2UVNCEBixE26wnLLObBz8gbLDzTvPdauM40xiBK b8/UA5NkEBoF2P5GDL++UwPoT/L/wXjxB32YajuWUMMpiHqWUPZgoNTCDzesTmbjszKz +OEqysq1q5/oglYBdyGEjJI5q/2+Vb6T9uejP/VVdfj1a4Blu68M9gS8mvqx4/N8Dsf5 QdEQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FB68A24.8090709@tiscali.co.uk> References: <1D8CD372B1314CCEB4219D914D8FE53C@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4FB667BE.8070701@tiscali.co.uk> <9B9C99DD7910489C91A8B32FC70D76C9@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4FB68A24.8090709@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 19:55:24 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: EchoLoop in Live -- any lick MIDI mapping with the FCB1010? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 17:55:25 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 7:43 PM, andy butler wrote: > Per Boysen wrote: > >> WRONG-G-G!!!! (sharp *bell hit* alarm sound) > > > ...a bit harsh ;-) > Ok, sorry. I forgot the smiley there. I love those funny harsh "you failed" sounds. Part of the fun is that they are so harsh that you almost experience them as coming at you before you make the mistake. Like the machine being rude and offensive. Now, please let me mention the soothing "Windows 95 start-up sound" to make up for any unpleasant feelings I might have evoked. :-) Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 17:57:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7539183460; Fri, 18 May 2012 17:57:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qsa8i9KI98uEWFmrYYfhjy20OclHeaof2mgZq3CariA=; b=mS6sQ2Ihh+04B78yWAE8tlMiUVD53wT2PNP1S6jptackUpxe7TbSr2pXvd9By52h6n oy+j5ZTOQr2PccAkqg1wPWhS6rgsrfFY2VWJEYqReszz1AqJXmcob70i/ERjO+p2uL2z keVABmBZ4M4EFUkowANrBlMxWJL14cqT2nqQj19GNeT/xJSbRmKsy2Ce+WaMW9bSdsQw fwL39nRdcJ5iTezK5imd0sOrYhxNFqGazSVcuOYGzXEMpGEph7YRA3Z4lJb8parElFrG XtciQtVNqi3yK4dQ25QvAplAdUwqZ0+/xeFxWa7v406HTfn7Q7mJug7fs8TIKsv6Re3Z s9IA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4B17458602CA44C9BAAEE1180047B1F1@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <1D8CD372B1314CCEB4219D914D8FE53C@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4FB667BE.8070701@tiscali.co.uk> <9B9C99DD7910489C91A8B32FC70D76C9@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4B17458602CA44C9BAAEE1180047B1F1@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 19:57:59 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: EchoLoop in Live -- any lick MIDI mapping with the FCB1010? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 17:57:59 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Kris Hartung w= rote: > I don't understand why I would put the looper in =C2=A0a MIDI track. =C2= =A0I also > tried putting the looper in its own Audio track. Then I created a MIDI tr= ack > that listens to the FCB and sends its output to that Looper track. =C2=A0= The > EchoLoop still won't listen. You put the looper on a MIDI track because it is going to be fed external MIDI. I'm not sure a plugin on an Audio Track can receive MIDI directly. But you can try out if it works. Maybe both ways are just as good. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 18:04:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11E8818345D; Fri, 18 May 2012 18:04:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=cm49Sd2OvgJPJguAr+/7JbB6tkHV86euCTQ76Em3DS0=; b=j14jl2Vr8Y9R/kM4jO0LTPQABDHY/3pcKzdd8YkO1CyL/1ANKBIj/pN5+eqYytCAiI GmqsjpWQhC4gVm8TqHy7uEGE7x8If1JjaAtkJKpSK60CrCY02DE6CZfgFZGKuw78XVrZ 3vo11ga5xT0SFBUuGJmDtEg3NP5+t3S+JgKw41J1Zg+wgjE/Mkmvx3p/8CQyyZdqjlsB qW8HGmbc8L3VvtnPuNLfnSQXLcjWh0PhJsF8XoufflNNoCXdsTLRInIYMaU8/iaQLXeA BZk/3g9Vp6ANdTgLlo0EL2KnIB614nFK0EjcmblG1dOeNVBemv6Cju7b7IpVD6J9HpqY GKiA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FB667BE.8070701@tiscali.co.uk> References: <1D8CD372B1314CCEB4219D914D8FE53C@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4FB667BE.8070701@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 12:04:43 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fw: EchoLoop in Live -- any lick MIDI mapping with the FCB1010? From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 18:04:45 +0000 (UTC) Andy, Could you post those as "docs" on the Facbook page, too? Thanks! Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 9:16 AM, andy butler wrote= : > hi Kris, > Per's right. > Ableton is a tech support nightmare because people really > want to use midi-learn/midi-map. > They don't help at all, you need to pass the midi straight through > to the plugin. > ...and the fcb1010 has to be programmed as if for a Hardware EDP. > > If you *have* got midi-learn stuff set-up then it can only interfere > with how it all should work. > > Essentially, you just need to plug your virtual midi cable into the plugi= n. > (except that the UI in Ableton isn't all that user friendly). > > I'll send you a copy of my HOWTO off-list (it has screenshots that don't > travel by mailing list). > > andy > > > > > > Per Boysen wrote: >> >> Can't you change in Live how it should interpret the MIDI event, >> momentary or not? If clicking down at the bottom of the MIDI learn >> screen - I've done that a lot here. >> >> But generally I think you will save a lot of unnecessary if you use >> the EchoLoop as Mathias intended it - like a software EDP clone bound >> to react with its actions to pre specified MIDI note events. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 2:26 AM, Boise Creative & Improvised Music >> Festival wrote: >>> >>> I am going to post this here to see if anyone has figured out a solutio= n. >>> Basically, I am sending notes from the FCB1010 to Live. =A0The cool thi= ng >>> is >>> that in the looper's interface, and in Live, I can actually go into the >>> MIDI >>> map mode, click my mouse on the actual Record button in the looper >>> interface, and Live will map one of my FCB1010 pedals to it. And I can >>> see >>> it trying to work when I press my FCB1010 food pedal. >>> >>> The problem is that when I do the mapping, in the parameters section of >>> Live, for the looper (bottom of screen), it shows the parameter as a >>> scale >>> between 0 and 1, like a slider. When I press the button, it basically >>> acts >>> like a button press and hold, rather than a button press and release. = =A0 I >>> am >>> thinking there must be something I can do in Live to re-interpret the >>> FCB1010 notes data as a toggle and not a press and hold. >>> >>> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Boise Creative & Improvised Music >>> Festival wrote: >>> >>>> Per, have you used Matthias' EchoLoop in Live yet? >>>> It seems to load up fine, but I am noticing some strange things when >>>> MIDI >>>> mapping my FCB pedals to the buttons. =A0For example, when I map to th= e >>>> Record >>>> button, and press it, it seems to hold the button down and not release= . >>>> =A0I >>>> am assuming there is a toggle parameter in the looper somewhere? I do >>>> not >>>> see it. >>>> >>>> Kris >>>> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 18:07:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DC88183465; Fri, 18 May 2012 18:07:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BigFish: PS-11(zzbb2dI9371I1432N98dKzz1202hzz8275bhz2fh2a8h668h839h944he5bhf0ah) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.234.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:SN2PRD0410HT005.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail44-tx2: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.234.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.234.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=SN2PRD0410HT005.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: EchoLoop in Live -- any lick MIDI mapping with the FCB1010? Thread-Topic: EchoLoop in Live -- any lick MIDI mapping with the FCB1010? Thread-Index: AQHNNRMBk4vg5RZi40m1gGo5VZlRiZbPwTQAgAAOMICAAAX7gP//rsCA Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 18:07:13 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.255.115.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 18:07:20 +0000 (UTC) Are you sure about the MIDI track? I always put Mobius in an Audio track because it needs to receive/send audio like an effect. Then I configure a MIDI track to receive from the desired device and send to the audio track containing Mobius. I don't have Live in front of me right now but I think you have to click a little "Monitor" button on the MIDI track before MIDI will be passed. Jeff On 5/18/12 12:57 PM, "Per Boysen" wrote: >On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Kris Hartung >wrote: >> I don't understand why I would put the looper in a MIDI track. I also >> tried putting the looper in its own Audio track. Then I created a MIDI >>track >> that listens to the FCB and sends its output to that Looper track. The >> EchoLoop still won't listen. > >You put the looper on a MIDI track because it is going to be fed >external MIDI. I'm not sure a plugin on an Audio Track can receive >MIDI directly. But you can try out if it works. Maybe both ways are >just as good. > >Per > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 18:15:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AE1F18345C; Fri, 18 May 2012 18:15:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BigFish: PS-11(zzbb2dI9371I1432N98dKzz1202hzzz2fh2a8h668h839h944he5bhf0ah) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.234.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:SN2PRD0410HT005.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail123-tx2: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.234.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.234.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=SN2PRD0410HT005.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: EchoLoop in Live -- any lick MIDI mapping with the FCB1010? Thread-Topic: EchoLoop in Live -- any lick MIDI mapping with the FCB1010? Thread-Index: AQHNNRMBk4vg5RZi40m1gGo5VZlRiZbPzzKA//+3WYA= Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 18:15:53 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4FB68879.1060705@tiscali.co.uk> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.255.115.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <8966F05CB384D240AB8F0CBC9A0AD459@namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 18:15:59 +0000 (UTC) Right. When you use MIDI mapping in Live the plugin doesn't receive MIDI at all, it just sees changes to the parameter values. If EchoLoop is exposing a VST parameter for each function and you associate this parameter with a MIDI note, Live treats this as a toggle switch. The first note on/off will set the parameter to it's highest value and the second note on/off will set it to it's lowest value. I would imagine EchoLoop is expecting to see parameter >0 mean "down" and parameter 0 mean "up". If so then unless you press the MIDI switch twice quickly you will get long-press behavior. Jeff On 5/18/12 12:35 PM, "andy butler" wrote: >Kris Hartung wrote: > >> Actually using the MIDI Mapping on Live could potentially work fine. > > >I don't think it passes midi Note-Off to the plugin. > > >andy > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 18:20:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A742183460; Fri, 18 May 2012 18:20:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=dUxYw2xqIocghTd6C8Y2PMSzNEpuLFOW4TWt9Qim5jQ=; b=cgEPG3tP475BjJTZVj3E4pM6s6eWcZykoFhdEzxCWdYzpLF4mWJfEbwV4MwrAfztok 6Ml3aTge+82hQfXkC7G8Sdav4/boL7wtp8x0dqydaM1bvEm63pNKxwqVLPo2Zo/mRPZS vbPomkAyVZrUUMlVFkNbFF0btw8kQFpTJnNOEIakYHRvFyd8A7Lf7a6jckkJ8ujcRaEC biSkMva+1JNF5FvQVjd61V3AiZRo6DJsu0yvM+E40TwV66cwNoFeea/awnWSGoZ7iQjo 5/OR6mIpaPO/3FEE3eZJgkUW3dYg5Asx4CC/7Ib4gYyS3lS1CTxvUAxUuEZcFRVhvCTu gqPw== Message-ID: From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: EchoLoop in Live -- any lick MIDI mapping with the FCB1010? Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 12:20:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 18:20:26 +0000 (UTC) Exactly. I just with Live had a workaround for that. Per - no offense taken on the bell sound. :) Though a gong would have been better -----Original Message----- Right. When you use MIDI mapping in Live the plugin doesn't receive MIDI at all, it just sees changes to the parameter values. If EchoLoop is exposing a VST parameter for each function and you associate this parameter with a MIDI note, Live treats this as a toggle switch. The first note on/off will set the parameter to it's highest value and the second note on/off will set it to it's lowest value. I would imagine EchoLoop is expecting to see parameter >0 mean "down" and parameter 0 mean "up". If so then unless you press the MIDI switch twice quickly you will get long-press behavior. Jeff On 5/18/12 12:35 PM, "andy butler" wrote: >Kris Hartung wrote: > >> Actually using the MIDI Mapping on Live could potentially work fine. > > >I don't think it passes midi Note-Off to the plugin. > > >andy > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 18:21:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 807A418345D; Fri, 18 May 2012 18:21:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=rC3ZJ0FAc+yL7D1elsmNzsHh2hvO4OGrWFb6VzzQnD0=; b=eZU8p740LKJjkgVLfxqa0E+bGAPgieKtkKJxf+vn/J8EOQjNpFiZG8ZLA7IFQGzig2 UdwZ66mvl70b0GRHURcSN7gi+l2IkhIzWVl16QTzG0/JH+8425x50FoYnVgb2pyg60/t WFEn8ZzL5/yi5hIgKurynvIoHSFyXYtDrHCioAI3mQ0omRLxgKkKvsZAp5iZ0QTsV7Fm E5sXCzeNu0DZmCRjmYs6Wxmmyj9WUNwZeAX1txGyRNsK9BO2NgD6JdgVDunWbkXDnB3Q LYKNVVSUpI+jNGx0uOTHYJRDqdNRG5iIwkIdZl4Wtg7xwik/F4KkPL7X1SxAj8aFQw44 AwOQ== Message-ID: <3BDA292E4A0D4D1795461155385BC633@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: EchoLoop in Live -- any lick MIDI mapping with the FCB1010? Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 12:21:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 18:21:31 +0000 (UTC) And now that I think about it, when I was using Mobius in Live before, I didn't even have to do this. I just had Mobius getting MIDI data from my FCB directly, independent of Live. -----Original Message----- Are you sure about the MIDI track? I always put Mobius in an Audio track because it needs to receive/send audio like an effect. Then I configure a MIDI track to receive from the desired device and send to the audio track containing Mobius. I don't have Live in front of me right now but I think you have to click a little "Monitor" button on the MIDI track before MIDI will be passed. Jeff On 5/18/12 12:57 PM, "Per Boysen" wrote: >On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Kris Hartung >wrote: >> I don't understand why I would put the looper in a MIDI track. I also >> tried putting the looper in its own Audio track. Then I created a MIDI >>track >> that listens to the FCB and sends its output to that Looper track. The >> EchoLoop still won't listen. > >You put the looper on a MIDI track because it is going to be fed >external MIDI. I'm not sure a plugin on an Audio Track can receive >MIDI directly. But you can try out if it works. Maybe both ways are >just as good. > >Per > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 18:23:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EBFE183461; Fri, 18 May 2012 18:23:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ZZjWx3EgXh6l5CUObfPpfo7vwplho6/L5+QOcYa+/u8=; b=HcnfEByHDezzk8SF+7jA5B66kGvMUJEx6PFnX4oUBHJfGgnBJ0TggwXnZq/0iPgTu7 FkkCvFeNM75k/Jznhm6pg9R/fKTZ8ZyVfE01vFDUD4NGELfLdu8vIZGsT39xjsk7FZii GlfTTc3NXT8lPOTk7rY74D70MDciZu8pEDtABZ8lf5OFpH8TsFWf4jF7raCCcB9ZbEk/ 4YHLnhvH0gVyvPL2OXcsyjM9HVTjroZQLyqPnxK7jbiZm1xXVLSVIteVYCePNG5JfEJK sMuqoW/j2xIx71rsND3TGFK6rxDMSS5URE4nF7FR1n6VSvVGWPpj5irF8P/qLjzlg6PS Hj9A== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3BDA292E4A0D4D1795461155385BC633@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <3BDA292E4A0D4D1795461155385BC633@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 20:23:23 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: EchoLoop in Live -- any lick MIDI mapping with the FCB1010? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <-xN5OC.A.I9H.cOptPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 18:23:24 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > And now that I think about it, when I was using Mobius in Live before, I > didn't even have to do this. > I just had Mobius getting MIDI data from my FCB directly, independent of > Live. Here we are now, a step in the right direction... :-) But EchoLoop can't snatch MIDI directly from the MIDI port so you have to pipe it through Live. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 18:40:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FA0E18345B; Fri, 18 May 2012 18:40:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 901 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Fri, 18 May 2012 18:40:40 UTC X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.234.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:SN2PRD0410HT004.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI X-BigFish: PS-5(zzbb2dI9371I98dKzz1202hzz8275bhz2fh2a8h668h839h944he5bhf0ah) Received-SPF: pass (mail14-va3: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.234.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.234.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=SN2PRD0410HT004.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: EchoLoop in Live -- any lick MIDI mapping with the FCB1010? Thread-Topic: EchoLoop in Live -- any lick MIDI mapping with the FCB1010? Thread-Index: AQHNNRMBk4vg5RZi40m1gGo5VZlRiZbPwTQAgAAOMICAAAX7gP//rsCAgABXzoD//61SgA== Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 18:25:33 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3BDA292E4A0D4D1795461155385BC633@americas.hpqcorp.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.255.115.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <81D0730C3CA4F4408DB45E42316C47AA@namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: <7eRWWD.A.9O.oeptPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 18:40:40 +0000 (UTC) Yes, that's possible too but most plugins don't support direct communication with MIDI devices. I don't know about EchoLoop. On 5/18/12 1:21 PM, "Kris Hartung" wrote: >And now that I think about it, when I was using Mobius in Live before, I >didn't even have to do this. >I just had Mobius getting MIDI data from my FCB directly, independent of >Live. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 19:06:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B2C318345D; Fri, 18 May 2012 19:06:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=980GAwGkaAS/jfBH/Hg8BNS0w1ErLfPY2GDcHLtub54=; b=ViVpdPF35f52de9/H/USVtn6Inp7vVR09Em4a6BgxQTpwK095H9e4ROU2iXsRTAFci tSBLx8hBTgRYMIZMcomt8ENPWrDSkVdlxqT268CZphRulFWwrKWXLCya1C+2Qe14MDKv CvFSeh8ZsZoAaBGfVNgjqtic1Mc6hVY11odLrElSZMGy9b/bW4pZ0iy4bfgTYiNRFKot V0XsrDsjZmKsIDUK3JKHxOeHMPwfSa69fwdE5hIWRPt2k8cFgk2SrsqQuNrEYp/XYHFP fIkbMOc2S3L1jPMXdysx3/W2NJly/7tqdJ5hgsyf+H21NAZlx8Eoj2jsEHpDADI++bjt TecA== Message-ID: From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: EchoLoop in Live -- any lick MIDI mapping with the FCB1010? Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 13:06:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 19:06:31 +0000 (UTC) This is turning into an interesting trip. Ok, so I put Mobius into an Audio track, created a MIDI track that listens to my FCB, sent that MIDI signal to the Mobius track, and everything works perfectly. Loop on! (As Per suggests). Then I took that same Live project, as is, and replaced the Mobius VST with the EchoLoop VST. Then I re-figured my FCB so that my Record button is sending Note #38. That should work, right? So I press the record button. The Record button on the EchoLoop lights up red for a second then goes green....nothing. After that, it won't even respond to the FCB button press. This is using the EchoLoop and not changing anything on its parameters. I think I am using the Ambient preset, which comes up default. I suspect I need to re-configure the EchoLoop somehow, or there is a more serious problem going on. Seems like it should not be this difficult. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 19:08:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4DCD18345E; Fri, 18 May 2012 19:08:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 775765813/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.28.231/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.28.231 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAMectk9YbRzn/2dsb2JhbAANOLciAQEBBDgRJQoRCxgJFg8JAwIBAgEPNhkDAReHZQOyfw2JUooSbYVGA5YvhDCFPQOHYA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,618,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="775765813" Message-ID: <4FB69E2F.1050504@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 20:08:31 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fw: EchoLoop in Live -- any lick MIDI mapping with the FCB1010? References: <1D8CD372B1314CCEB4219D914D8FE53C@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4FB667BE.8070701@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 19:08:22 +0000 (UTC) Dennis, the doc is posted, already, but doesn't have the screenshots. I'll see if I can fix that. andy Dennis Moser wrote: > Andy, > > Could you post those as "docs" on the Facbook page, too? > > Thanks! > > Dennis > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 9:16 AM, andy butler wrote: >> hi Kris, >> Per's right. >> Ableton is a tech support nightmare because people really >> want to use midi-learn/midi-map. >> They don't help at all, you need to pass the midi straight through >> to the plugin. >> ...and the fcb1010 has to be programmed as if for a Hardware EDP. >> >> If you *have* got midi-learn stuff set-up then it can only interfere >> with how it all should work. >> >> Essentially, you just need to plug your virtual midi cable into the plugin. >> (except that the UI in Ableton isn't all that user friendly). >> >> I'll send you a copy of my HOWTO off-list (it has screenshots that don't >> travel by mailing list). >> >> andy >> >> >> >> >> >> Per Boysen wrote: >>> Can't you change in Live how it should interpret the MIDI event, >>> momentary or not? If clicking down at the bottom of the MIDI learn >>> screen - I've done that a lot here. >>> >>> But generally I think you will save a lot of unnecessary if you use >>> the EchoLoop as Mathias intended it - like a software EDP clone bound >>> to react with its actions to pre specified MIDI note events. >>> >>> Greetings from Sweden >>> >>> Per Boysen >>> www.perboysen.com >>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>> >>> >>> On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 2:26 AM, Boise Creative & Improvised Music >>> Festival wrote: >>>> I am going to post this here to see if anyone has figured out a solution. >>>> Basically, I am sending notes from the FCB1010 to Live. The cool thing >>>> is >>>> that in the looper's interface, and in Live, I can actually go into the >>>> MIDI >>>> map mode, click my mouse on the actual Record button in the looper >>>> interface, and Live will map one of my FCB1010 pedals to it. And I can >>>> see >>>> it trying to work when I press my FCB1010 food pedal. >>>> >>>> The problem is that when I do the mapping, in the parameters section of >>>> Live, for the looper (bottom of screen), it shows the parameter as a >>>> scale >>>> between 0 and 1, like a slider. When I press the button, it basically >>>> acts >>>> like a button press and hold, rather than a button press and release. I >>>> am >>>> thinking there must be something I can do in Live to re-interpret the >>>> FCB1010 notes data as a toggle and not a press and hold. >>>> >>>> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Boise Creative & Improvised Music >>>> Festival wrote: >>>> >>>>> Per, have you used Matthias' EchoLoop in Live yet? >>>>> It seems to load up fine, but I am noticing some strange things when >>>>> MIDI >>>>> mapping my FCB pedals to the buttons. For example, when I map to the >>>>> Record >>>>> button, and press it, it seems to hold the button down and not release. >>>>> I >>>>> am assuming there is a toggle parameter in the looper somewhere? I do >>>>> not >>>>> see it. >>>>> >>>>> Kris >>>>> >>> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 19:16:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E301518345E; Fri, 18 May 2012 19:16:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 766155177/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.28.231/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.28.231 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAKSftk9YbRzn/2dsb2JhbAANOIU0sW8BAQEDASMVQAYLCxoCBRYLAgIJAwIBAgFFHAGIBalykmmBJowBggqBFAOaX40g X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,618,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="766155177" Message-ID: <4FB6A00D.9080406@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 20:16:29 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EchoLoop in Live -- any lick MIDI mapping with the FCB1010? References: <1D8CD372B1314CCEB4219D914D8FE53C@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4FB667BE.8070701@tiscali.co.uk> <9B9C99DD7910489C91A8B32FC70D76C9@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4B17458602CA44C9BAAEE1180047B1F1@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 19:16:19 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > You put the looper on a MIDI track because it is going to be fed > external MIDI. I'm not sure a plugin on an Audio Track can receive > MIDI directly. Yep, put the plugin in a audio track. Now, I'm confused, thought Per had told me to do exactly that. (and it worked) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 19:18:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E817183461; Fri, 18 May 2012 19:18:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 775768811/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.28.231/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.28.231 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAFOgtk9YbRzn/2dsb2JhbAANOLcjAQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBxGCNJ4MeA5pfjSA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,618,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="775768811" Message-ID: <4FB6A098.4070802@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 20:18:48 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EchoLoop in Live -- any lick MIDI mapping with the FCB1010? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 19:18:54 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Larson wrote: > Yes, that's possible too but most plugins don't support direct > communication with MIDI devices. I don't know about EchoLoop. no, because we used Bidule to test it. (which is just dragging a virtual midi cable) If we'd known all this trouble with Ableton.... andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 19:21:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C7F118345E; Fri, 18 May 2012 19:21:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=9Er+Yf6V2pZCSnaDXwSmvjUdbfDKEo/iTvYvnZfD9OQ=; b=x3gtG1h23nrKYZsfetGJ72w+Jk/GTrFH5sOOcr3L73IGLnGXGhBrAvxsA+wKm803QO +Z64jvaNuophXp4piITAOVXsJxK7znJ+5ZzeunzdXHPB+7kytR1tQOqmEBxsvVHUvLdX c3wMRq7nl3JwFd4uFaFxuCYCPSSzNq1zDkQ7HLTw3v1H6OmYiCZswSgxgvTBDOe0rBpF 1kxM1pMV+cmIC8FjIO8LEzKx+h4frYF5uACOo3M3R8SK+UgXGQ3vcN5DFWNpAkBJOm91 pvja34D30Gd04X74RAeMGLotvWWyI6kaCa92V327/Y4ThxeHjbTek8wX3l85hi69qUwI //nA== Message-ID: From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <1D8CD372B1314CCEB4219D914D8FE53C@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4FB667BE.8070701@tiscali.co.uk> <4FB69E2F.1050504@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4FB69E2F.1050504@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: EchoLoop in Live -- any lick MIDI mapping with the FCB1010? Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 13:21:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: <9B32EC.A.CGB.HFqtPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 19:21:44 +0000 (UTC) Andy, what is the URL? -----Original Message----- From: andy butler Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 1:08 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fw: EchoLoop in Live -- any lick MIDI mapping with the FCB1010? Dennis, the doc is posted, already, but doesn't have the screenshots. I'll see if I can fix that. andy Dennis Moser wrote: > Andy, > > Could you post those as "docs" on the Facbook page, too? > > Thanks! > > Dennis > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 9:16 AM, andy butler > wrote: >> hi Kris, >> Per's right. >> Ableton is a tech support nightmare because people really >> want to use midi-learn/midi-map. >> They don't help at all, you need to pass the midi straight through >> to the plugin. >> ...and the fcb1010 has to be programmed as if for a Hardware EDP. >> >> If you *have* got midi-learn stuff set-up then it can only interfere >> with how it all should work. >> >> Essentially, you just need to plug your virtual midi cable into the >> plugin. >> (except that the UI in Ableton isn't all that user friendly). >> >> I'll send you a copy of my HOWTO off-list (it has screenshots that don't >> travel by mailing list). >> >> andy >> >> >> >> >> >> Per Boysen wrote: >>> Can't you change in Live how it should interpret the MIDI event, >>> momentary or not? If clicking down at the bottom of the MIDI learn >>> screen - I've done that a lot here. >>> >>> But generally I think you will save a lot of unnecessary if you use >>> the EchoLoop as Mathias intended it - like a software EDP clone bound >>> to react with its actions to pre specified MIDI note events. >>> >>> Greetings from Sweden >>> >>> Per Boysen >>> www.perboysen.com >>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>> >>> >>> On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 2:26 AM, Boise Creative & Improvised Music >>> Festival wrote: >>>> I am going to post this here to see if anyone has figured out a >>>> solution. >>>> Basically, I am sending notes from the FCB1010 to Live. The cool thing >>>> is >>>> that in the looper's interface, and in Live, I can actually go into the >>>> MIDI >>>> map mode, click my mouse on the actual Record button in the looper >>>> interface, and Live will map one of my FCB1010 pedals to it. And I can >>>> see >>>> it trying to work when I press my FCB1010 food pedal. >>>> >>>> The problem is that when I do the mapping, in the parameters section of >>>> Live, for the looper (bottom of screen), it shows the parameter as a >>>> scale >>>> between 0 and 1, like a slider. When I press the button, it basically >>>> acts >>>> like a button press and hold, rather than a button press and release. >>>> I >>>> am >>>> thinking there must be something I can do in Live to re-interpret the >>>> FCB1010 notes data as a toggle and not a press and hold. >>>> >>>> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Boise Creative & Improvised Music >>>> Festival wrote: >>>> >>>>> Per, have you used Matthias' EchoLoop in Live yet? >>>>> It seems to load up fine, but I am noticing some strange things when >>>>> MIDI >>>>> mapping my FCB pedals to the buttons. For example, when I map to the >>>>> Record >>>>> button, and press it, it seems to hold the button down and not >>>>> release. >>>>> I >>>>> am assuming there is a toggle parameter in the looper somewhere? I do >>>>> not >>>>> see it. >>>>> >>>>> Kris >>>>> >>> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 19:23:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7954818345D; Fri, 18 May 2012 19:23:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BigFish: PS-11(zzbb2dI9371I1432N98dKzz1202hzzz2fh2a8h668h839h944he5bhf0ah) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.234.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:SN2PRD0410HT001.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail26-tx2: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.234.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.234.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=SN2PRD0410HT001.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: EchoLoop in Live -- any lick MIDI mapping with the FCB1010? Thread-Topic: EchoLoop in Live -- any lick MIDI mapping with the FCB1010? Thread-Index: AQHNNRMBk4vg5RZi40m1gGo5VZlRiZbPwTQAgAAOMICAAAX7gP//rsCAgABXzoD//61SgIAAYrQA//+tkYA= Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 19:23:47 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4FB6A098.4070802@tiscali.co.uk> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.255.115.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 19:23:52 +0000 (UTC) I don't understand the trouble though. Configuring a Live MIDI track to send to an audio track is effectively the same as dragging a virtual MIDI cable in Bidule. Both note ons and offs will get through. On 5/18/12 2:18 PM, "andy butler" wrote: > > >Jeff Larson wrote: >> Yes, that's possible too but most plugins don't support direct >> communication with MIDI devices. I don't know about EchoLoop. > >no, because we used Bidule to test it. >(which is just dragging a virtual midi cable) > >If we'd known all this trouble with Ableton.... > >andy > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 20:14:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31763183461; Fri, 18 May 2012 20:14:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=uZ9QU9jSWq1TseNIUVypP/xoHqNMbvQovzxiAbj4I5U=; b=q3IaTuvy9BZ7xM2LivqMGp2u1opJdFCwoyFg2ROmrx+ug/+C6HZIwtr3BolwsrqmJr a9mOXJCJMW5anKCYhGfnRtYeA7N1Paa6I484Ee9bjZ16UtKR1IpozfnRtK71n4qHCbwE supjY9iLWTcFgnmDcbZCeKs/v53m1KqiPZOC3XaixvZxB88E3B/B2iCXD+W/jrpl1w1y MMZ2qv/DQkgOa2w0fZFMv3e5E35opBoPhzVX0O3ee3CkIlCK+2g/hpBiNjDWXtBFE4J2 xvHD3TwCCBIuMZyc4mQ22x+ri/zg57N3ZFTVffqH65JM3947F7ln+5RtP8Xhv3UtiFWn D0Og== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 22:14:08 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: EchoLoop in Live -- any lick MIDI mapping with the FCB1010? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <7HpuGC.A.QxB.Q2qtPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 20:14:08 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 9:06 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > Seems like it should not be this difficult. Excellent! Per ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 20:19:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0F9918345D; Fri, 18 May 2012 20:19:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 775782065/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.28.231/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.28.231 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAH2utk9YbRzn/2dsb2JhbAANOIU0sXIBAQQjFUARCxoCBRYLAgIJAwIBAgFFBgEVAbF7kmaBJo4LgRQDml+NIA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,618,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="775782065" Message-ID: <4FB6AED5.5050502@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 21:19:33 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EchoLoop in Live -- or in anything References: <1D8CD372B1314CCEB4219D914D8FE53C@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4FB667BE.8070701@tiscali.co.uk> <9B9C99DD7910489C91A8B32FC70D76C9@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4FB68879.1060705@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4FB68879.1060705@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 20:19:24 +0000 (UTC) Well, it turns out that the current version of Echoloop on PC doesn't respond to midi Note-On at all. quite likely it's the same for mac. Don't know what to say really, guess you guys should give up for a while while we sort it out. I've no idea how this could have happened. Apologies for wasting your time. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 20:35:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AC3918345D; Fri, 18 May 2012 20:35:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 766172881/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.28.231/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.28.231 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBADCxtk9YbRzn/2dsb2JhbAANOLcsAQEBBDgRJQoNBAsRBAEBAQkWDwkDAgECAQ8uCAYBEgMBF4dlA7MBDYlSihJtGYUtA5YvhDCFPQOHYIFe X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,618,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="766172881" Message-ID: <4FB6B2A5.9070106@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 21:35:49 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, matthias Grob Subject: Re: EchoLoop in Live -- any lick MIDI mapping with the FCB1010? References: <1D8CD372B1314CCEB4219D914D8FE53C@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4FB667BE.8070701@tiscali.co.uk> <4FB69E2F.1050504@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 20:35:41 +0000 (UTC) I'll send by mail, maybe be your old address isn't valid?? but it doesn't work anymore No idea what's happened really. Here Echoloop won't respond to Note-On in Bidule, or anything at all in Live. andy Kris Hartung wrote: > Andy, what is the URL? > > -----Original Message----- From: andy butler > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 1:08 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Fw: EchoLoop in Live -- any lick MIDI mapping with the > FCB1010? > > Dennis, > the doc is posted, already, > but doesn't have the screenshots. > > I'll see if I can fix that. > > andy > > Dennis Moser wrote: >> Andy, >> >> Could you post those as "docs" on the Facbook page, too? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Dennis >> >> http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin >> http://audiozoloft.com >> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >> >> >> On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 9:16 AM, andy butler >> wrote: >>> hi Kris, >>> Per's right. >>> Ableton is a tech support nightmare because people really >>> want to use midi-learn/midi-map. >>> They don't help at all, you need to pass the midi straight through >>> to the plugin. >>> ...and the fcb1010 has to be programmed as if for a Hardware EDP. >>> >>> If you *have* got midi-learn stuff set-up then it can only interfere >>> with how it all should work. >>> >>> Essentially, you just need to plug your virtual midi cable into the >>> plugin. >>> (except that the UI in Ableton isn't all that user friendly). >>> >>> I'll send you a copy of my HOWTO off-list (it has screenshots that don't >>> travel by mailing list). >>> >>> andy >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Per Boysen wrote: >>>> Can't you change in Live how it should interpret the MIDI event, >>>> momentary or not? If clicking down at the bottom of the MIDI learn >>>> screen - I've done that a lot here. >>>> >>>> But generally I think you will save a lot of unnecessary if you use >>>> the EchoLoop as Mathias intended it - like a software EDP clone bound >>>> to react with its actions to pre specified MIDI note events. >>>> >>>> Greetings from Sweden >>>> >>>> Per Boysen >>>> www.perboysen.com >>>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 2:26 AM, Boise Creative & Improvised Music >>>> Festival wrote: >>>>> I am going to post this here to see if anyone has figured out a >>>>> solution. >>>>> Basically, I am sending notes from the FCB1010 to Live. The cool >>>>> thing >>>>> is >>>>> that in the looper's interface, and in Live, I can actually go into >>>>> the >>>>> MIDI >>>>> map mode, click my mouse on the actual Record button in the looper >>>>> interface, and Live will map one of my FCB1010 pedals to it. And I can >>>>> see >>>>> it trying to work when I press my FCB1010 food pedal. >>>>> >>>>> The problem is that when I do the mapping, in the parameters >>>>> section of >>>>> Live, for the looper (bottom of screen), it shows the parameter as a >>>>> scale >>>>> between 0 and 1, like a slider. When I press the button, it basically >>>>> acts >>>>> like a button press and hold, rather than a button press and >>>>> release. I >>>>> am >>>>> thinking there must be something I can do in Live to re-interpret the >>>>> FCB1010 notes data as a toggle and not a press and hold. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Boise Creative & Improvised Music >>>>> Festival wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Per, have you used Matthias' EchoLoop in Live yet? >>>>>> It seems to load up fine, but I am noticing some strange things when >>>>>> MIDI >>>>>> mapping my FCB pedals to the buttons. For example, when I map to the >>>>>> Record >>>>>> button, and press it, it seems to hold the button down and not >>>>>> release. >>>>>> I >>>>>> am assuming there is a toggle parameter in the looper somewhere? I do >>>>>> not >>>>>> see it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kris >>>>>> >>>> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 21:51:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7561183454; Fri, 18 May 2012 21:51:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=5n6l/NU2CSJdzcmS9fKOqCBxSqhLaWFjjq3PpHVnhbQ=; b=EYiL/tfVrfCz1KqSatqCy310VKQo9v0L3/Xx4pjq98gT+bRH6ojNGslYOK/yy0qHcD FoK4f4SjYc9oUmETFLPCLHKrWqsvcQIamBadf5MSpQxdOhXXNHsyL6N3evo/YAi9vBEa 4u8rbj6aZi6obas6BLjHfsugkGmATrD+jZTtxJrdxPjwwzxh/LNaCTtNJrxFt7PO5i/T h6zb5jrRcq34F52JnGDwvSzOlY7EMEiNg2bK1v321tdkPfTTHEQGWNslkqJLvM7BKxyX sy01Jj3iH5PPSb4bS8Z+nyuZI8pPeKXzvTFfHTI44fy0I3e656VPBtg6vStwibF734UY Rfqg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9DEE35CB-1ECF-4C31-9521-54FBA0065C7F@gmail.com> References: <9DEE35CB-1ECF-4C31-9521-54FBA0065C7F@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 17:51:04 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Tonight in NYC - Todd Reynolds & meself From: daryl shawn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b15b2f18b458104c0568c8a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 21:51:05 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b15b2f18b458104c0568c8a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Great to have you there, Jim, thanks for the report (and the shots), and nice words. It was so much fun, the loopiest show I've done in a while. We may have some video to post. One tune we did inspired a poem from one in attendance, who also took come cool photos: http://jasoncrane.org/2012/05/17/poem-we-were-mountains/. "Bowed pyro" indeed - that's Todd.! He was rocking his Eventide, too (an Orville, I think?), which sounded unbelievable in stereo. Daryl Shawn www.darylshawn.com On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 11:06 PM, Jim Goodin wrote: > This was a stellar night, a wonderful blend of acoustic meets tape meets > bowed pyro meets sampling and loops a plenty. Both gentlemen were top > flight creativity doing range from 'song' to scape in solo and duo in a > lovely intimate Williamsburg listening space. Pictures/video later. > > Kudos and congrats to Daryl and Todd on a moving collaborate show. It was > great to finally meet and hear Todd live after knowing him through this > list. > > Jim > > On May 17, 2012, at 5:11 PM, daryl shawn wrote: > > I can't believe I neglected to announce this here, but for those loopers > in NYC, Todd Reynolds and I will be doing our thing, with plenty of digital > and analog looping both, tonight at Firehouse Space in Williamsburg. Will > try to shoot some video for later dissertation. > > http://www.thefirehousespace.org > 8 pm, $10 > > This is our first time playing live together. SUPER excited. > > Daryl Shawn > www.darylshawn.com > > --047d7b15b2f18b458104c0568c8a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great to have you there, Jim, thanks for the report (and the shots), and ni= ce words. It was so much fun, the loopiest show I've done in a while.= =A0

We may have some video to post. One tune we did insp= ired a poem from one in attendance, who also took come cool photos:=A0 http:/= /jasoncrane.org/2012/05/17/poem-we-were-mountains/.

<= div>"Bowed pyro" indeed - that's Todd.!=A0 He was rocking his Eventide, too (an Orville, I think?), which sounded unbe= lievable in stereo.=A0

Daryl Shawn


On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 11:06 PM, Jim Go= odin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
This was a stellar night, a wonderful blend o= f acoustic meets tape meets bowed pyro meets sampling and loops a plenty. = =A0Both gentlemen were top flight creativity doing range from 'song'= ; to scape in solo and duo in a lovely intimate Williamsburg listening spac= e. =A0 Pictures/video later.

Kudos and congrats to Daryl and Todd on a moving collab= orate show. =A0It was great to finally meet and hear Todd live after knowin= g him through this list.

Jim

On May = 17, 2012, at 5:11 PM, daryl shawn <darylshawn@gmail.com> wrote:

I can't believe I negle= cted to announce this here, but for those loopers in NYC, Todd Reynolds and= I will be doing our thing, with plenty of digital and analog looping both,= tonight at Firehouse Space in Williamsburg. Will try to shoot some video f= or later dissertation.

8 pm, $10
<= br>
This is our first time playing live together. SUPER excited.<= br>

--047d7b15b2f18b458104c0568c8a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 22:29:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 468C118345C; Fri, 18 May 2012 22:29:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=f19+fO0c8bSC0jL5ZQdhG/MmopbUHUHB7N9JJOxF19U=; b=G+PqdOaZ+t8xInH7G0uuB2t8q8OQYqLDS9jxHRnyMEFje7VWgLEbvuC96bF1qTFeav EKi4Wx6gTaSXi3go8iURHDxsCf5qDBgmdV/ooXkLzczpOQ/rrhqBhZrjcnoDgQKHboi0 qukfUf0cfT7xQ+jSipETpY2oC0bmSSF9KGKBAqaWj5v8Keq9h8VCQBooeyOHLDTlZB7x XgTDwNSTPk8dM7fQJ2k2Tz/4KCazZs77B2QsUoptVeldziVjvMFsovOLyt9P5n+W7jz1 y2LGGIuFsfz50FuOWa3tbPudNhEmeMG9HWNR8VF9oG6qZYL6xm76Qvs3iHJdSEZsnLFh Nb2w== Message-ID: <90712EAA8CDB490DAE6041B254015181@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <1D8CD372B1314CCEB4219D914D8FE53C@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4FB667BE.8070701@tiscali.co.uk> <9B9C99DD7910489C91A8B32FC70D76C9@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4FB68879.1060705@tiscali.co.uk> <4FB6AED5.5050502@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4FB6AED5.5050502@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: EchoLoop in Live -- or in anything Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 16:29:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 22:29:35 +0000 (UTC) Thank you!!! I am not insane, afterall. :) -----Original Message----- From: andy butler Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 2:19 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com ; Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EchoLoop in Live -- or in anything Well, it turns out that the current version of Echoloop on PC doesn't respond to midi Note-On at all. quite likely it's the same for mac. Don't know what to say really, guess you guys should give up for a while while we sort it out. I've no idea how this could have happened. Apologies for wasting your time. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 22:34:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2DBD18345C; Fri, 18 May 2012 22:34:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IhS9NklSh87LxignVJ7NqZVqF2su/7mGuQ7FM8Ayo24=; b=rhN5yhltIAhxHsStG/5uLD36Gg3NU7c1hvZShJ201fPGhmS1LKRQUBXXsps/BnCXfN br31mxSzd3Bk3bbxmh9FZfA8YrZaaPRbejJ5cjmkGtU+O5SFfKi6LwrD1TtI7NWtm+Wn WaQmPupED+wh9ZK3y4M9YojIAQ8SUQCNpPjO+voE8cBHixIJHygOL+On6ulFpgy2kgy/ gN9asN1foXTfvgzF85LxYwnqv29h3RPDii4BdJqw9RjinpG5DCYh/yDPLq3RUawbkKWY 63SsOtqHq7FPEU3h3HD4AC5fzeKF4sHxERllrluWc0RrCLVGwE45DreUwUT63WY+0sGa cKZg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <90712EAA8CDB490DAE6041B254015181@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <1D8CD372B1314CCEB4219D914D8FE53C@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4FB667BE.8070701@tiscali.co.uk> <9B9C99DD7910489C91A8B32FC70D76C9@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4FB68879.1060705@tiscali.co.uk> <4FB6AED5.5050502@tiscali.co.uk> <90712EAA8CDB490DAE6041B254015181@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 16:34:25 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: EchoLoop in Live -- or in anything From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 22:34:25 +0000 (UTC) Sorry, Kris, that doesn't show causation. :-) Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Kris Hartung w= rote: > Thank you!!! I am not insane, afterall. =A0 :) > > > > -----Original Message----- From: andy butler Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 2= :19 > PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com ; Matthias Grob Subject: Re: > EchoLoop in Live -- or in anything > > > Well, it turns out that the current version of Echoloop on PC doesn't > > respond to midi Note-On at all. > > quite likely it's the same for mac. > > Don't know what to say really, guess you guys should give up for a while > while we sort it out. > > I've no idea how this could have happened. > > Apologies for wasting your time. > > andy > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 22:54:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4015F18345A; Fri, 18 May 2012 22:54:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=XZghZbEljG0BZhaVhjik6sL9+zH01YkQzv48MGy5m2w=; b=zvNxoRbTrFomjrMq6hX0y0FoqrCQaJuUH6l2gkiH7JTtQkSwASmdDCX2vfCR8iumgp mPR/aEuogW89UEJPPXtVVvi1GAGQy6ZDFL8RX9QMhiTrOzsYx2f9/IjMlppri3YJP+E/ 5/vetUZU+Yw8slE8KtUfG+zRIVVQwzSsd9qUCtqSwbVZro8waWkdBcQPhekg7Bmnyto1 L9vY2Ty31MRybe5iFJzl/yFJio0kDRrVBGz23R863Wi8A1pWmdZq3gcSiF6VTik9x6og Ea6mL2rQY9XEIjRdWBD3q911M5Fmsa6uXZv98fdv/naonsQGug57nfGjoArmqJhI677c 6Q7A== Message-ID: <22CB6CD674094E698FD198F2D6A7ED9F@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <1D8CD372B1314CCEB4219D914D8FE53C@americas.hpqcorp.net><4FB667BE.8070701@tiscali.co.uk><9B9C99DD7910489C91A8B32FC70D76C9@americas.hpqcorp.net><4FB68879.1060705@tiscali.co.uk><4FB6AED5.5050502@tiscali.co.uk><90712EAA8CDB490DAE6041B254015181@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: EchoLoop in Live -- or in anything Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 16:54:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 22:54:22 +0000 (UTC) Ah, you speak the truth! :) -----Original Message----- Sorry, Kris, that doesn't show causation. :-) Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > Thank you!!! I am not insane, afterall. :) > > > > -----Original Message----- From: andy butler Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 > 2:19 > PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com ; Matthias Grob Subject: Re: > EchoLoop in Live -- or in anything > > > Well, it turns out that the current version of Echoloop on PC doesn't > > respond to midi Note-On at all. > > quite likely it's the same for mac. > > Don't know what to say really, guess you guys should give up for a while > while we sort it out. > > I've no idea how this could have happened. > > Apologies for wasting your time. > > andy > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 18 22:56:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F02AE18345E; Fri, 18 May 2012 22:56:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=x7etFg6ztHo6FrhBL0aSwuPNH9isxHrTkZF1+lkumF8=; b=NfZnKx/mlWNh0o9fiXWqNhYjEfx4Y43CrtzGcFlAibBrHvR383yQL9UmesdeSte10/ Y/hHVAVghgmKMC0+n9JtBeyskVisuO4IM3ugrtw+AeRhWI+z1fg1AiEcTrHEgROlkzbq yMXhWvjG97Nk3BPcEx2fUbiEMq1vqqMqAvTmZrfTuUdFyt4YXp78ptEKf2UmboTJH3kz K56E/r2L+ikU0/KLTofyVPiicMcfDf8Z1c1IScxIGLwYojQJcrUsLiOxWsatE5W6UGwS F8ejf0yk3Z0sl1yQsJwUbfpgliEMtpbEAcl1ExuihPJEod5wW4iaDN3VBQvQlqnSQEUW 7R0g== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <22CB6CD674094E698FD198F2D6A7ED9F@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <1D8CD372B1314CCEB4219D914D8FE53C@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4FB667BE.8070701@tiscali.co.uk> <9B9C99DD7910489C91A8B32FC70D76C9@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4FB68879.1060705@tiscali.co.uk> <4FB6AED5.5050502@tiscali.co.uk> <90712EAA8CDB490DAE6041B254015181@americas.hpqcorp.net> <22CB6CD674094E698FD198F2D6A7ED9F@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 16:56:49 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: EchoLoop in Live -- or in anything From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 22:56:49 +0000 (UTC) Just remember: "crazy" is an art term; "insane" is a legal one. (Paraphrasing Hunter Thompson) Ta! Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Kris Hartung w= rote: > Ah, you speak the truth! =A0:) > > > -----Original Message----- > Sorry, Kris, that doesn't show causation. :-) > > Best, > > Dennis > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Kris Hartung > wrote: >> >> Thank you!!! I am not insane, afterall. =A0 :) >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: andy butler Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 >> 2:19 >> PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com ; Matthias Grob Subject: Re: >> EchoLoop in Live -- or in anything >> >> >> Well, it turns out that the current version of Echoloop on PC doesn't >> >> respond to midi Note-On at all. >> >> quite likely it's the same for mac. >> >> Don't know what to say really, guess you guys should give up for a while >> while we sort it out. >> >> I've no idea how this could have happened. >> >> Apologies for wasting your time. >> >> andy >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 05:31:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2E1918345C; Sat, 19 May 2012 05:31:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FB73047.9000101@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 22:31:51 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "kay'lon rushing" CC: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Re: Cheap sampler References: <311F1A71-A2F8-47A8-852A-BBDC4F3D9B89@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <311F1A71-A2F8-47A8-852A-BBDC4F3D9B89@charter.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090108070406090500030609" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 05:31:59 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090108070406090500030609 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Man, Kay'lon, there is an EMU E5000 Ultra Sampler on ebay currently with a top bid of $250. That was a screaming 16 bit sampler in it's day. Additionally, you can find all kinds of one rack vintage samplers on e-bay and craigslist for under $200. They aren't going to have USB connectivity, but you can always go analogue into your computer, or just use a midi keyboard and record yourself direct through your board. Rick Walker (proud owner of a vintage AKAI S950 - 12 bit machine that delightfully crunches percussion sounds for hip hop) and an EMU ES 32 that friends of mine who worked for EMU upgraded to an EMU ES4000. Vintage baby! --------------090108070406090500030609 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Man, Kay'lon,
there is an EMU E5000 Ultra Sampler on ebay currently with a top bid of $250.

That was a screaming 16 bit sampler in it's day.

Additionally, you can find all kinds of one rack vintage samplers on e-bay and craigslist
for under $200.

They aren't going to have USB connectivity, but you can always go analogue into your computer,
or just use a midi keyboard and record yourself direct through your board.

Rick Walker
(proud owner of a vintage AKAI S950 - 12 bit machine that delightfully crunches percussion sounds for hip hop)
and an EMU ES 32 that friends of mine who worked for EMU upgraded to an EMU ES4000.   Vintage baby!

--------------090108070406090500030609-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 05:34:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE27918345D; Sat, 19 May 2012 05:34:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FB730E7.4060104@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 22:34:31 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Charles Zwicky CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Cheap sampler References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 05:34:39 +0000 (UTC) I went to youtube to check out the demo and it appears to be a sample player and not a sampler. or am I getting something wrong? On 5/18/12 10:05 AM, Charles Zwicky wrote: > http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fairlight-pro/id427747876?mt=8 > > http://fairlightinstruments.com.au/ios > > It's the entire Fairlight instrument and it's original sample > library. It's fantastic. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 05:48:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15CFC18345D; Sat, 19 May 2012 05:48:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: Subject: OT: Make your own Touchscreen Interface Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 00:48:09 -0500 Message-ID: <023b01cd3582$f8e12e20$eaa38a60$@michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac01gZZ6TeSSCM2qT/q2ZJ9OkEXW1A== Content-Language: en-us x-vipre-scanned: A20406A7002E9FA20407F4 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: <2ARccD.A.UaG.cQztPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 05:48:12 +0000 (UTC) Cool technology that I thought I'd share: http://www.fastcodesign.com/1669815/this-gizmo-lets-you-draw-a-ui-on-paper-t hen-turns-it-into-a-touchscreen Mike www.michaelplishka.com www.scribbledmusings.com www.zenstorming.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 07:20:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCDF118345D; Sat, 19 May 2012 07:20:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=wEfuK0gN7IbvNImMyXKfAILJ95KEa4hNEl4ljADcUZM=; b=h/hu5JQOxKM9s7V3zm2gg/OdPJU4Pl0QM2puyxAF4qBYe4pOQOirXcQEtDFT6t5SzF mo1bw+6cp+wtMWWclPR3IUleVMpGKozSX/gu2z9DSYdElS4oUw9JLLpc537+HZWCxd5u sIerp6EOSAjxxCSwHePKKbkVGYyPbSLdRHCxcP57RhwQZGhw+Bk7M1jJEHIZyEEvT3Bz Vopt8OXYsSFVjsWo5JN7/1pvVSKCENumJLiXcftsRmyuAa5iVuSN6lnSDkQexiw4JPbZ n0vRdW9EqEQPEyJdnozICk5R5tN0wuBF7go6d+ChFoMEr6LLbSU0eZPKjTujZuHlfMAz AZNw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <023b01cd3582$f8e12e20$eaa38a60$@michaelplishka.com> References: <023b01cd3582$f8e12e20$eaa38a60$@michaelplishka.com> From: mark francombe Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 09:20:23 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Saq97bxPSHdJzldLYAj-QvzRqwI Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Make your own Touchscreen Interface To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6153f4dfb8db04c05e81e8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 07:20:46 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6153f4dfb8db04c05e81e8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Seems like the same method as with the Reactable, but without the synth or the icon recognition. I would use a iPad... gotta be better than lugginh a PC a projector and a webcam around... Very interestion for installations type stuff though... On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 7:48 AM, wrote: > Cool technology that I thought I'd share: > > http://www.fastcodesign.com/1669815/this-gizmo-lets-you-draw-a-ui-on-paper-t > hen-turns-it-into-a-touchscreen > > > > Mike > > > > > www.michaelplishka.com > www.scribbledmusings.com > www.zenstorming.com > > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --90e6ba6153f4dfb8db04c05e81e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Seems like the same method as with the Reactable, but without the synth or = the icon recognition. I would use a iPad... gotta be better than lugginh a = PC a projector and a webcam around... Very interestion for installations ty= pe stuff though...

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--90e6ba6153f4dfb8db04c05e81e8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 08:10:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0028618345C; Sat, 19 May 2012 08:10:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=7HCybAMmwtX08OZS6w58vVvMlKALCswNi3YnaszAQXc=; b=eN5+BvSuTwKZ8wOhMkqCGS/QUWN7L2DknamdS7Qy593f909kj+QZmBeMT1IRwwSUoE /LR3g8oWfqyJz896crZkB79pLEoApz31wtewc6vezN54a3QeKuwT38FxCq3+oXlJAQEG haP4+LGeDvWv/H+6NxiGsdOjoIMUUt80kb/lyZBAdiUcJmZIPxfFIRVykSAy1DtvtrKg BOgHzN0ouB/0QTYdNAaXWkaVrloa42OTjmAjYNHHwO24cY1pWiMblXSStPvEe/D7Gzol t75HgYIe2zHMohaRljC+PplS4I5dZW6g78ICbCryvt+IqUHkH+s6XyyT80IvazXSS+Ri FaUA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <9DEE35CB-1ECF-4C31-9521-54FBA0065C7F@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 09:10:29 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Tonight in NYC - Todd Reynolds & meself From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 08:10:31 +0000 (UTC) I am looking forward to attending these gigs on a regular basis! R :) On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 10:51 PM, daryl shawn wrote: > Great to have you there, Jim, thanks for the report (and the shots), and > nice words. It was so much fun, the loopiest show I've done in a while. > > We may have some video to post. One tune we did inspired a poem from one = in > attendance, who also took come cool photos: > http://jasoncrane.org/2012/05/17/poem-we-were-mountains/. > > "Bowed pyro" indeed - that's Todd.!=A0 He was rocking his Eventide, too (= an > Orville, I think?), which sounded unbelievable in stereo. > > Daryl Shawn > www.darylshawn.com > > > > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 11:06 PM, Jim Goodin > wrote: >> >> This was a stellar night, a wonderful blend of acoustic meets tape meets >> bowed pyro meets sampling and loops a plenty. =A0Both gentlemen were top >> flight creativity doing range from 'song' to scape in solo and duo in a >> lovely intimate Williamsburg listening space. =A0 Pictures/video later. >> >> Kudos and congrats to Daryl and Todd on a moving collaborate show. =A0It= was >> great to finally meet and hear Todd live after knowing him through this >> list. >> >> Jim >> >> On May 17, 2012, at 5:11 PM, daryl shawn wrote: >> >> I can't believe I neglected to announce this here, but for those loopers >> in NYC, Todd Reynolds and I will be doing our thing, with plenty of digi= tal >> and analog looping both, tonight at Firehouse Space in Williamsburg. Wil= l >> try to shoot some video for later dissertation. >> >> http://www.thefirehousespace.org >> 8 pm, $10 >> >> This is our first time playing live together. SUPER excited. >> >> Daryl Shawn >> www.darylshawn.com >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 09:51:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A26FB183460; Sat, 19 May 2012 09:51:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=XR7C2c5kZwCXa4qTwQXKdnRZeT13+DH6EK0edid/1C4BNiR5JfIN53WJ8ObwSaiw; h=Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; References: <4FB730E7.4060104@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4FB730E7.4060104@cruzio.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9B206) From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Cheap sampler Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 05:50:51 -0400 To: Rick Walker X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7927d530feffe0ce118dbbb3c8d504789b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.201.152 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 09:51:04 +0000 (UTC) The Fairlight Pro app has built in sampling. Also, any sounds can be importe= d into the library. I think that the flexibility of the iPad / Alesis IO s= etup makes it a bargain. Once you have these two items, there are some great= loopers and signal processors available.=20 Sent from my iPad Nano On May 19, 2012, at 1:34 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > I went to youtube to check out the demo and it appears to be a > sample player and not a sampler. or am I getting something wrong? >=20 > On 5/18/12 10:05 AM, Charles Zwicky wrote: >> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fairlight-pro/id427747876?mt=3D8 >>=20 >> http://fairlightinstruments.com.au/ios >>=20 >> It's the entire Fairlight instrument and it's original sample library. I= t's fantastic. >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 10:00:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBAEA183453; Sat, 19 May 2012 10:00:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:subject:from:to:cc:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer; bh=a2AcM5Wr57LRytryafmPssZXwFl3Mx0ya9FX3zEEIu0=; b=xM5PtqxZo4mQuh1K9EmAE/zRK231OtpY8vd3umMcYRCKCHlLeI9osdu5JrgyvY+x8k vV0UCoJ1QiSzJBUCydVeTXzVl92SkS3yIiMA0317QQR67LtEsax4A2YAqDxtR4EgxHz4 fo22QUjP860zu7U92X2uzxWnlXfoELlvYbrDDeUUhp74xIUQqldzx/1AGaCofrDBaL+R mNfqVrNGkdOgqPple5w3w/3k0Z7foxZgl2fNzqZk4KwAeE5+UYbyuA5FudDVK3vtDJYk VgmfT7VKpolpcG+9ZvReWYORwqp+33aZa/SNlLrCsIAZyXWwTyWHH54BwpbK9Ylo6/2C oHeg== Message-ID: <4fb76f54.e5c5440a.7980.ffff9627@mx.google.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 03:00:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Re: Cheap sampler From: "k3zz21@gmail.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Seven Enterprise Gateway (v 2.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 10:00:54 +0000 (UTC) im looking for a rack sampler more along the lines of what the roland sp404 can do. just without the pads or other on board controls. -----Original Message----- Date: Friday, May 18, 2012 10:34:40 pm To: "Charles Zwicky" Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Rick Walker" Subject: Re: Re: Cheap sampler I went to youtube to check out the demo and it appears to be a sample player and not a sampler. or am I getting something wrong? On 5/18/12 10:05 AM, Charles Zwicky wrote: > http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fairlight-pro/id427747876?mt=8 > > http://fairlightinstruments.com.au/ios > > It's the entire Fairlight instrument and it's original sample > library. It's fantastic. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 10:10:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C227418345E; Sat, 19 May 2012 10:10:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=pc6iURtJFpKvbMbSz1I1BeG2VFrhrVaqCahwnKdbuXI=; b=OLRFTLTN4kaDEDr3WW5K2Skx9ODIaBoSa35t7FdL42p1JYNufZk8M91y53WxIsCeMq drm5kdsSoh4qWWj2DXL0F/MyQAwZQk8XjGfy4veXDG2ghqvIA8nNiXf40v6fumRDVCZI q9+U+f8JDQWY121pPT65tmoSlCMDcs1bfHmqu40qCpOrmCNXPBC4oX/YuHg7U/8jNR1f Bi1UHsSLe5vXXnLL2/VscGwb94NYkeRb6E7WsHtdTlaL/tDSVTOICHBSSq9Z+MGEleBo R8u5+k5iJEGII8WsiXNvU9ILlblIe+TC6ODM/wdA8cCCNB2qAjzaSBTRMCBjOE+LkFOV D+ig== Message-ID: <4FB7718C.7090205@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 12:10:20 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cheap sampler References: <4fb76f54.e5c5440a.7980.ffff9627@mx.google.com> In-Reply-To: <4fb76f54.e5c5440a.7980.ffff9627@mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 10:10:26 +0000 (UTC) k3zz21@gmail.com schrieb: > im looking for a rack sampler more along the lines of what the roland sp404 can do. just without the pads or other on board controls Hi Kay'lon, I guess the problem you'll be facing is that rack samplers have been a thing of the past for quite some time. Today, the only sampling thingies are either DJ-oriented workstations (e.g. MPC, Korg Microsampler) or computer-based solutions (although most of them aren't even able to record samples anymore). Of course, as Rick mentioned, old hardware samplers (such as the Emu E5K, Emu E6400, Akai S6000 etc.) can be had today quite cheap, but: all of those are pre-USB, pre-flash-storage, which means the only way to store data is via (legacy) SCSI. This shouldn't mean it can't be done, rather that it will require additional expenses for the entire workflow to work properly. E.g. getting a SCSI interface for the computer. Soooo, most probably the easiest solution would be something like a software sampler running on a kinda-computer thingie (e.g. phone, pad, netbook), or you get an oldskool rack sampler - but know what you're getting yourself into. Rainer (who still has an old Emu ESi-32 from days gone by (this thing is so outdated that I didn't even try to sell it...), and a Kurzweil K2600XS, because no other thing I know offers something like its live sampling capability). -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 10:47:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2347D18345E; Sat, 19 May 2012 10:47:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=F35xxrtx7MdyO+VCNo1tsaipfZdAmbpyu10ma9JbcsA=; b=dPshkQHDO5DgCQcCZOKhHG+7ESTu67AiP+8T0sUwiPr9jXBOyADPCwrjW6CPcu/v6N 5QgFIE19aJw7Cg7Oe81V2+rJM32Jx/xXbdEgVaSHtjLFBrV6v8+clt+dJJvJF/sd5bY4 pvMk4r44l59ESFkhlIXKedIkBcXaBxF3Qe33rRfUcRq1vnva+P6F4lavlQbXyK67uL65 OIPzYqjlx66EjECw2zeIrkBIxJuWsASarIqGKUdyyk/dtLQ3wK48hKRVhL+Oroy2PuXi aLhZ6QNrNysJEbCF1FOGTBb39hNT9FEt9WGOY29YXkQuE8a5gk+r6dWRhARTYM2xF3Xc MCLw== References: <4fb76f54.e5c5440a.7980.ffff9627@mx.google.com> <4FB7718C.7090205@googlemail.com> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: <4FB7718C.7090205@googlemail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 12:47:33 +0200 Message-ID: <-1995851516663494923@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: Cheap sampler To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 10:47:37 +0000 (UTC) i think the fairlight sampler kokos v cool Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 19 May 2012, at 12:10, Rainer Straschill wrote: > o still has an old Emu ESi-32 from days gone by (this thing is so outdated that I didn't even try to sell it...), a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 10:57:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76DBD183462; Sat, 19 May 2012 10:57:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=WZ0HU39c4EfSda2/HWEXHmTowoMgPT/c/iVKXGqDS40=; b=iAseg8jsghpzFWEqs3gUzrgteGa8xtF/np/p5FSZ/ZlK2xt1w9aWQJGQNxn/Tj2CAw I46HWjhS+UvPqg+OOgPidK7AuAYKDGJAG+het53chHyHbDW28MVDXSJ5cqGwEb/27qGo i06DX7FfZD12WxQhtfnX395HQf7ytVBp1ANqhDcP3hcpPvOX8LtcqHiPqeRs/Gn5v8ik 1rsWp1cFOFpOAGEBoA3Dp/cOx44w23XECfrBTI79cwHOzc9fV3EM1vdyK+ZIPhv6vMqR Xw35XbI8vpmieB5ho6u2Ml8p1g+Mxg0NutpvqiqAiUlPeBa6npmP+zbbaXTlsb+m6be7 kBNQ== References: <4fb76f54.e5c5440a.7980.ffff9627@mx.google.com> <4FB7718C.7090205@googlemail.com> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: <4FB7718C.7090205@googlemail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 12:57:40 +0200 Message-ID: <3948590834566012580@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: Cheap sampler To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 10:57:44 +0000 (UTC) scuse last mail... iPhone fingers trouble... fairlight looks v cool!!! Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 19 May 2012, at 12:10, Rainer Straschill wrote: > who still has an old Emu ESi-32 from days gone by (this thing is so outdated that I didn't even try to sell it...) lovely Rainer... is that the one with the fab variable startpoint? Me... i still love the sound of My Akai S1000... cost 1200 UK pounds In its day... couldnt Get 100 dollars for it now... mine has sentimental value cos Robert Smith bought it for me... he doesnt know it... but i bought it In 93 with tour 'bonus'! i did this sampler checkin a while back... went for an electribe drum machine... not happy... but thats another post... think Ricks suggestion is best.. go to Ebay... spend no more than 200$ and try out stuff... most have internal drives that are often fucked... and thats often the only problem... but a biggie... mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 11:07:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28F0A18345E; Sat, 19 May 2012 11:07:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=QrKgLrzyoukwJABn3sjj7MdQl0Mcq9nmG9jCXw5W4kw=; b=KiaFVuti+LVSh3RK6/3RAaVyLwbdaiebxsDCqUwOrnBsmWPV1wtrtuQZ8b8zP0d0hG ysS6pvU40teh9slHPaVO2OO2cq+phsJKSqzz7sC5Pb4ounED5GrUOIL1rZllWbsZp9eL gELxJUNm7OhYwPMZ/hZVjgBG6vDji4yGL5XNohLDdxjFYnkdPW1nCFUpw1NEnnlNHcoh xjobtKP31/CQMNSMnkXHTXJ/sV64H8u4SIm+Mx1ioEMNorbDnKo5EIw1I6zd2rCCyeoC GQ98maqhiyTqxlzEkj3iQLGIABOAzSN9rdNZ8XHPbx8N6wbC8Or3N3Oz5mbjEpXW9/k3 P+Vw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3948590834566012580@unknownmsgid> References: <4fb76f54.e5c5440a.7980.ffff9627@mx.google.com> <4FB7718C.7090205@googlemail.com> <3948590834566012580@unknownmsgid> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 13:07:18 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cheap sampler From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 11:07:19 +0000 (UTC) "that the one with the fab variable startpoint" must be the Emax. You could record a vocal sample and then slide the playback loop, sliding both start point and loop point but with keeping the set loop range between them. If sliding the loop forward through the sample you hear the voice with a robotic sound to it but you could also slide it backwards or just freeze one part of the sample. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 12:57 PM, mark francombe wrote: > scuse last mail... iPhone fingers trouble... > > fairlight looks v cool!!! > > Sent from my (advertisement removed) > > On 19 May 2012, at 12:10, Rainer Straschill wrote: > >> who still has an old Emu ESi-32 from days gone by (this thing is so outdated that I didn't even try to sell it...) > > lovely Rainer... is that the one with the fab variable startpoint? > > Me... i still love the sound of My Akai S1000... cost 1200 UK pounds > In its day... couldnt Get 100 dollars for it now... mine has > sentimental value cos Robert Smith bought it for me... he doesnt know > it... but i bought it In 93 with tour 'bonus'! > > i did this sampler checkin a while back... went for an electribe drum > machine... not happy... but thats another post... > > think Ricks suggestion is best.. go to Ebay... spend no more than 200$ > and try out stuff... most have internal drives that are often > fucked... and thats often the only problem... but a biggie... > > mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 12:06:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C17F718345D; Sat, 19 May 2012 12:06:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0F8SqEbXawpohGdg064f7SJvPHskyJXuwxFgPv+gx1s=; b=uJU+jpsJTdlYZ4EBP2CUr4CnmPOHRnBOc+Icl1vTWIpgsV6ETehDrCTPSJxqtuEjdo YPDYLz8tQYBH1JJKvwdPpPpw0tqwgfIZFvxu1facyFZ3tERdy++gXxneqPTyxdlCtmqR QDgaurETMzEOExNE6A0P9pTrM2oxgBz+EElKNzIrZACbiIB33/YAwrYihTMUSXaExJ5i t+U6KZsspOvD906gLdqozv4x8H3wY99gNg7nLlsJ4SeyumEjv2f0LAwuYXwB66GYff0S bN/JZDr1EAgSm0OA/2O8hgLCSS99OAvVgplFcx8rSxp6x1NncSaC8v1sFCUw50ckdkoF wIhA== Message-ID: <4FB78CD8.4050703@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 14:06:48 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cheap sampler References: <4fb76f54.e5c5440a.7980.ffff9627@mx.google.com> <4FB7718C.7090205@googlemail.com> <3948590834566012580@unknownmsgid> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 12:06:56 +0000 (UTC) This was true for if I remember correctly the 2nd generation of Emu sampler (EII, and either Emax or EmaxII, and everything from the EIII onward, including the ESi-32). The Emax (and EII) had another fab feature, and that's analogue filters. However, Emu also did a good job in recreating proper filter sounds, especially in everything post-Morpheus (and that's true for all samplers and sample players post-EIII/ESi-32/Morpheus). Rainer Per Boysen schrieb: > "that the one with the fab variable startpoint" must be the Emax. You > could record a vocal sample and then slide the playback loop, sliding > both start point and loop point but with keeping the set loop range > between them. If sliding the loop forward through the sample you hear > the voice with a robotic sound to it but you could also slide it > backwards or just freeze one part of the sample. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 12:57 PM, mark francombe > wrote: > >> scuse last mail... iPhone fingers trouble... >> >> fairlight looks v cool!!! >> >> Sent from my (advertisement removed) >> >> On 19 May 2012, at 12:10, Rainer Straschill wrote: >> >> >>> who still has an old Emu ESi-32 from days gone by (this thing is so outdated that I didn't even try to sell it...) >>> >> lovely Rainer... is that the one with the fab variable startpoint? >> >> Me... i still love the sound of My Akai S1000... cost 1200 UK pounds >> In its day... couldnt Get 100 dollars for it now... mine has >> sentimental value cos Robert Smith bought it for me... he doesnt know >> it... but i bought it In 93 with tour 'bonus'! >> >> i did this sampler checkin a while back... went for an electribe drum >> machine... not happy... but thats another post... >> >> think Ricks suggestion is best.. go to Ebay... spend no more than 200$ >> and try out stuff... most have internal drives that are often >> fucked... and thats often the only problem... but a biggie... >> >> mark >> >> > > > -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 13:44:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B8BF18345C; Sat, 19 May 2012 13:44:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 763769665/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.24.118/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.24.118 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtcBAFajt09YbRh2/2dsb2JhbAANOIUthgKreQEBBCMVQAEQJQIFFgsCAgkDAgECAUUUCAGGDoIHqW6SO4EmjA6CCoEUA5pXhTWHaYFe X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,622,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="763769665" Message-ID: <4FB7A3D1.2020709@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 14:44:49 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: Matthias Grob Subject: Echoloop now working for PC (mac?) References: <1D8CD372B1314CCEB4219D914D8FE53C@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4FB667BE.8070701@tiscali.co.uk> <9B9C99DD7910489C91A8B32FC70D76C9@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4FB68879.1060705@tiscali.co.uk> <4FB6AED5.5050502@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4FB6AED5.5050502@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 13:44:38 +0000 (UTC) Apologies to anyone who suffered with an Echoloop version that was never going to work. Here's the fix on PC http://www.andybutler.com/mathons/EcholoopPCv425.zip This is latest version that I have access to, and is checked and working in Plogue Bidule and....yes......wait for it Ableton Live. One issue I found in Ableton was that the plugin had to have it's midi channel set to CH 1, even though I was sending it stuff on CH2. (confirmed with Ableton's midi filter). So, I dunnow, does Ableton mess with midi channel of data it passes? Anyway, the detailed but simple to follow instructions for running the plugin in Ableton do indeed work. There's *no* problem with Note-Off. Matthias says he has a working mac version, but hasn't yet been able to confirm that the bug I found was fixed for mac. Once again, apologies from Mathons for allowing this to occur. andy butler Mathons From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 14:14:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A68818345D; Sat, 19 May 2012 14:14:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 766350743/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.24.118/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.24.118 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqQBAKKpt09YbRh2/2dsb2JhbAANOIUthgKreQEBBCMVQBElAgUWCwICCQMCAQIBRRwBsX6SO4EmjA6CCoEUA5pXjR4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,622,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="766350743" Message-ID: <4FB7AABF.9010803@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 15:14:23 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Ableton Issue References: <1D8CD372B1314CCEB4219D914D8FE53C@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4FB667BE.8070701@tiscali.co.uk> <9B9C99DD7910489C91A8B32FC70D76C9@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4FB68879.1060705@tiscali.co.uk> <4FB6AED5.5050502@tiscali.co.uk> <4FB7A3D1.2020709@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4FB7A3D1.2020709@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 14:14:12 +0000 (UTC) In Ableton Live. Passing midi from a midi channel to an audio channel (to control a plugin) anyone noticed that the midi channel is changed to CH1? andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 16:44:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9FE918345C; Sat, 19 May 2012 16:44:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=FSH0WhDy3Zk8YsorPpQ4a7jEcyIgWRtlJjkjWzn8XDs=; b=wXLAGRm+8YJB4QpuqbKJ6RzoakYkNJLbmwLJXqlPDIkSl0hlcb6mL84EUEP20VEADl BwHLNwGo/kAs7Yrb+TQPvn0Q38NDyGYmT8GoFqsv1iWfOEjmvsv6aooZsW+G1C1Nr8hx 9ZQ2BnhtkSg5p4UkPsdz/NLCWiRRSbwV7/obh9r159xcrQS55dWTNZ1T07lSpua32Ki7 JEHE+ouKwwngYy9B2LKomPJTYzD4Buo/NyriVH+gBazRyfZGwKdp71O8+UYEgBtZurqA mMSio3NaMDycaNZdfiKeLzGVB43p/ZCAhjUg1rbwcI0E3ZWG50EFdVDkYqgok4GlYZRf BjYQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4fb6719d.c505440a.67a5.1786@mx.google.com> References: <4fb6719d.c505440a.67a5.1786@mx.google.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 10:44:37 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cheap sampler From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 16:44:38 +0000 (UTC) If you do go the iPad route, you should also consider looking at one of Jordan Rudess's apps called "Sample Wiz" =85 video in action here (alone with several others): http://youtu.be/ePzZyc_gk4c Discussion here: http://forum.melodeon.net/index.php?topic=3D7787.0 App store link here: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/samplewiz/id431031166?mt=3D8 It's $9.99 US. Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 9:58 AM, k3zz21@gmail.com wrote: > Whats a good sampler that is cheap. Im looking for one that is simply the= machine itself that i could just connect my midi controllers to for trigge= ring the samples. And i want it to be able to hold a memory card or somethi= ng. Any suggestions? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 17:04:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D99DE18345E; Sat, 19 May 2012 17:04:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=VGoFC3l23zBDRZaELSgfGZYySoFCtsbVczvl+/Ktseg=; b=VFg0XZ0h5b+UQUHPTnaC9Cl+idOlU/BqCUYAsERxo9WjwQQR+8xqGrqwcJ5tkNRqvq 21l3ykKqyTaFo0k4YFueIgi74ShZ8pL+yqmnbr9rIXaR25DcS2jeRr2841rr1znv9ayy fV26SQpOMVO87jsLdz1ZqSxHTaitqS/EJfHLD7yHpVbsFbARxd3jdfGn25ersYr5YzHu NSl/1QCl4lVnFjOoVmdsnp6rMSG7vrhjxcopYwY+iRqiUiPLTma1hgdl1lSVSA88RVyE SlEyoFP6D/lO1fliuUl3Nk6D8hr418ge2ltHsjFiAxcp/NLD5hB1CAFjh99tzK6VSLe3 coEA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4fb6719d.c505440a.67a5.1786@mx.google.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 11:04:06 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cheap sampler From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 17:04:07 +0000 (UTC) Even more detail from Jordan himself: http://youtu.be/irpj9HdkiH0 http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Dennis Moser wr= ote: > If you do go the iPad route, you should also consider looking at one > of Jordan Rudess's apps called "Sample Wiz" =85 video in action here > (alone with several others): > http://youtu.be/ePzZyc_gk4c > > Discussion here: > http://forum.melodeon.net/index.php?topic=3D7787.0 > > App store link here: > http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/samplewiz/id431031166?mt=3D8 > > It's $9.99 US. > > Best, > > Dennis > > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 9:58 AM, k3zz21@gmail.com wrot= e: >> Whats a good sampler that is cheap. Im looking for one that is simply th= e machine itself that i could just connect my midi controllers to for trigg= ering the samples. And i want it to be able to hold a memory card or someth= ing. Any suggestions? >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 17:18:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4261518345C; Sat, 19 May 2012 17:18:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=NyVAHROqlnVj6dhonI3mD6yjsnM3vwInzzZAWovXkqVNpGeaIza4FKnftmyAZDI5; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <4fb6719d.c505440a.67a5.1786@mx.google.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 13:18:32 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Cheap sampler Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79412f14ce2571fd56052677015b1c68c7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 17:18:36 +0000 (UTC) Pretty cool! Oddly in the "resampling" demo (around 4:30) he=20 plays an octave of alternating "C" and the=20 resampled version is at the correct pitch when he=20 plays "E".. oops.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dirpj9HdkiH0&feature=3Drelated At 10:44 -0600 19/5/12, Dennis Moser wrote: >If you do go the iPad route, you should also consider looking at one >of Jordan Rudess's apps called "Sample Wiz" =8A video in action here >(alone with several others): >http://youtu.be/ePzZyc_gk4c > >Discussion here: >http://forum.melodeon.net/index.php?topic=3D7787.0 > >App store link here: >http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/samplewiz/id431031166?mt=3D8 > >It's $9.99 US. > >Best, > >Dennis > > >http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin >http://audiozoloft.com >http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > >On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 9:58 AM, k3zz21@gmail.com wrote: >> Whats a good sampler that is cheap. Im looking=20 >>for one that is simply the machine itself that=20 >>i could just connect my midi controllers to for=20 >>triggering the samples. And i want it to be=20 >>able to hold a memory card or something. Any=20 >>suggestions? >> -- =2E.. http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 17:24:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2B2F183453; Sat, 19 May 2012 17:24:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=9aiHflHxN9tcECYfpEQLOTPE2CItf4Z1WIablrZnni8=; b=Z663+tu0OxhaAqCNO6GQZJa3iWUtlTPBIP4CSKdAOTQ23b1C0M/wmaudpH7+42NKOw wYt6snjIEVHrwy9Icdn7BOUScEQNvpm3W4HyjFHT73NEyei3oG6By+F6Q5d6Z4KkeoAy 61t6cqmuHjXE3nchHEXRtaLsKSipB9bgfXf3PfUEesMgNus37IHGIZ7qqdWr3SbO1+pT r5m0sElNkAmUIKGA1RriNPMWEc4OUJr1i9j4Fs+Kwva6PaoB1WbzqG1xhk9SGe3BJFir WMWtGmNwUKt9sH+wh37EzIbggnwW15YrK89JXzzWgRofQaPZC/xe43ojGR0csqqIcOQ3 RwXw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4fb6719d.c505440a.67a5.1786@mx.google.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 11:24:08 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cheap sampler From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 17:24:08 +0000 (UTC) Be sure and watch the second video I posted; he goes in to much more detail there about the setup, including custom scales and keyboard layouts=E2=80=A6I'm slowly getting in to using this sampler, but some of it= is still a bit beyond me. Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Charles Zwicky w= rote: > Pretty cool! > Oddly in the "resampling" demo (around 4:30) he plays an octave of > alternating "C" and the resampled version is at the correct pitch when he > plays "E".. oops.. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dirpj9HdkiH0&feature=3Drelated > > > > > At 10:44 -0600 19/5/12, Dennis Moser wrote: >> >> If you do go the iPad route, you should also consider looking at one >> of Jordan Rudess's apps called "Sample Wiz" =C5=A0 video in action here >> (alone with several others): >> http://youtu.be/ePzZyc_gk4c >> >> Discussion here: >> http://forum.melodeon.net/index.php?topic=3D7787.0 >> >> App store link here: >> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/samplewiz/id431031166?mt=3D8 >> >> It's $9.99 US. >> >> Best, >> >> Dennis >> >> >> http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin >> http://audiozoloft.com >> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >> >> >> On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 9:58 AM, k3zz21@gmail.com >> wrote: >>> >>> =C2=A0Whats a good sampler that is cheap. Im looking for one that is si= mply >>> the machine itself that i could just connect my midi controllers to for >>> triggering the samples. And i want it to be able to hold a memory card = or >>> something. Any suggestions? >>> > > > -- > > ... > http://www.zmix.net > > http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky > > http://albumcredits.com/zmix > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 17:52:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFB3118345D; Sat, 19 May 2012 17:51:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:x-priority:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=rKpYTqHzgS3+8IKHRlh7wESnVSxRkkkvOn/BDHv63vM=; b=kM39m6/xXJGpxRuKeF5c/g/4cu4mgXqTWEem7ntpJzJzZdV7Duh9bQqKcNusk8uCvH 2SgLleweFTogaWsUD+N2CHLECqvv1KduVn920EOK3idZvya9sdvkycjpHev5fnmkuT4Y 9vN5selYOqMPSvXlolv0V+ct5BH450CznzPQreT449IEKlObww28kSyANii5ZeL3yWFI eDhp73/vBFtlDaKnTYaSw6ZX698y5Q+CAFtEZhsXplMuPUyU7CRi90rSDzmXPPoQ3VMw WJ5DRBy7PIwSPsJGORTP+vl5lm63S4cu2mUUvuFTTJnxApw5qkB1fbT69dgP5fgWCjMM R0nw== Subject: Re: EchoLoop in Live -- any lick MIDI mapping with the FCB1010? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Matthias Grob X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <3BDA292E4A0D4D1795461155385BC633@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 14:51:55 -0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <40777B66-ADAA-437B-A011-68D4ECEABB26@gmail.com> References: <3BDA292E4A0D4D1795461155385BC633@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 17:51:59 +0000 (UTC) as usual, I am arriving late to the discussion=85 On 18 May 2012, at 3:21 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > And now that I think about it, when I was using Mobius in Live before, = I didn't even have to do this. > I just had Mobius getting MIDI data from my FCB directly, independent = of Live. this is because Mobius has a smart MIDI routing thing, right? maybe I should install that too... >=20 > -----Original Message----- Are you sure about the MIDI track? I = always put Mobius in an Audio > track because it needs to receive/send audio like an effect. Then > I configure a MIDI track to receive from the desired device and send > to the audio track containing Mobius. I don't have Live in front of > me right now but I think you have to click a little "Monitor" button > on the MIDI track before MIDI will be passed. thats how I use to do it for tests (I do not use Live in praxis) On 18 May 2012, at 4:23 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > I don't understand the trouble though. Configuring a Live MIDI track = to > send to an audio track is effectively the same as dragging a virtual = MIDI > cable in Bidule. Both note ons and offs will get through. its a lot less obvious to a musician, it took me a while (and probably a = manual) to find this Live trick but since its a rare case=85 I think they should fix the Note-Off thing! = or do you see any reason...? On 18 May 2012, at 5:19 PM, andy butler wrote: > Well, it turns out that the current version of Echoloop on PC doesn't > respond to midi Note-On at all. >=20 > quite likely it's the same for mac. >=20 no, the OSX version did not have that bug (I am using it, controlled by = the iPad=85 :-) >=20 > On 5/18/12 12:57 PM, "Per Boysen" wrote: >=20 >> On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Kris Hartung = >> wrote: >>> I don't understand why I would put the looper in a MIDI track. I = also >>> tried putting the looper in its own Audio track. Then I created a = MIDI >>> track >>> that listens to the FCB and sends its output to that Looper track. = The >>> EchoLoop still won't listen. >>=20 >> You put the looper on a MIDI track because it is going to be fed >> external MIDI. I'm not sure a plugin on an Audio Track can receive >> MIDI directly. But you can try out if it works. Maybe both ways are >> just as good. >>=20 >> Per >>=20 >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 18:10:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 662DA18345B; Sat, 19 May 2012 18:10:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yPy6gEsn0cJuiWHf/t6x1K+VzbSNIhcuHQslPJvQGTI=; b=tkrjkdr77cOn3mSVv4d/zUqmH0Hn/AgSQlpq6DDVOnqEvps+ItG9bNygYZNfPpSnGz suwv5NmxRAWHX5eHBMYHKXNtb/wlEJxOfqJWRUllPM8cUuzAojfxm6fkN19eAUTD3Zmh GpYPTUeybsQLxOeP4/TOsVSv3LVmwH6EDM61eA2h0C4Z/sD9u+Vdf5cgXGxzc2b0fqGG 4G/9oOoLtAf3pucBQSsyTzpjZ56wTa/4hI/npJBvWYf8xDm9DwjsCosdP3t0QujVdamh 8TTnYTf0I7l79HNOzizjUPZMh2nggWrm4BtzAXfEBPSVs+GiYiKb4xgpCEt30rMZcvOh R45w== Message-ID: <4FB7E219.70702@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 20:10:33 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ableton Issue References: <1D8CD372B1314CCEB4219D914D8FE53C@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4FB667BE.8070701@tiscali.co.uk> <9B9C99DD7910489C91A8B32FC70D76C9@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4FB68879.1060705@tiscali.co.uk> <4FB6AED5.5050502@tiscali.co.uk> <4FB7A3D1.2020709@tiscali.co.uk> <4FB7AABF.9010803@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4FB7AABF.9010803@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 18:10:39 +0000 (UTC) andy butler schrieb: > > Passing midi from a midi channel to an audio channel (to control a > plugin) > anyone noticed that the midi channel is changed to CH1? The short answer is "yes". The slightly longer one: I remember I made a workaround using track input filters and separate input channels for each MIDI channel and then map them to the destinations corresponding to the input filter...rather ugly, but then I found I never really needed that functionality. Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 18:18:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF9BF18345E; Sat, 19 May 2012 18:18:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:subject:from:to:cc:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer; bh=egTKvkyhnnlEG5TrBlPqRYTBEBwmurJU8v6DyGO8Vc4=; b=xU+SdLUOy9WuKslJwWPACWPU1q/CotT1vpXSzDqTapjO1qzZz2H9bSkeL7glzxON// bP+m0a0a7+6TqMewnAJMR2WNhY6d7zlAPAoy/uEsx5u+47do1dcrJ8AwOee2Ul+Gc9Nl /U2elrJzZtfLA63ZFOmb50tlLRaroa8KPxstYuZZSAteOBlMR39o2jH7j/htabHRoRMH b7tSl3d6Ty5aMf50B5fJjLPjmV8fXEMQwe7kWUuu0qjwEIE5vhIvUd5jAQ94HuXAt54e KhKXEWMBbNT9LRAJlH48av6T8lAEkjl+fXJSKaRN06vuuB3hU6+ltrBFAW4KgGabTHnw Doqw== Message-ID: <4fb7e3e4.6aea440a.1b35.ffffd081@mx.google.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 11:18:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Cheap sampler From: "k3zz21@gmail.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Seven Enterprise Gateway (v 2.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 18:18:15 +0000 (UTC) :p if only i had an ipad -----Original Message----- Date: Saturday, May 19, 2012 10:24:09 am To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Dennis Moser" Subject: Re: Cheap sampler Be sure and watch the second video I posted; he goes in to much more detail there about the setup, including custom scales and keyboard layouts?I'm slowly getting in to using this sampler, but some of it is still a bit beyond me. Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Charles Zwicky wrote: > Pretty cool! > Oddly in the "resampling" demo (around 4:30) he plays an octave of > alternating "C" and the resampled version is at the correct pitch when he > plays "E".. oops.. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irpj9HdkiH0&feature=related > > > > > At 10:44 -0600 19/5/12, Dennis Moser wrote: >> >> If you do go the iPad route, you should also consider looking at one >> of Jordan Rudess's apps called "Sample Wiz" ? video in action here >> (alone with several others): >> http://youtu.be/ePzZyc_gk4c >> >> Discussion here: >> http://forum.melodeon.net/index.php?topic=778 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 18:31:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81FCF18345E; Sat, 19 May 2012 18:31:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Do1MWF4Nkvh4frxgRGF4pJlQoDkNzLOge8xH70MwK3Y=; b=tuLwGiHScsCCYAxGxQ3yro+0NCF7CTCYmAh0Xq1WDvwFhtZd5NobneM5RwtPNNur1p W5M3uR16lVO3LnwjVQqL5ejylSDibL3cTfVVQp20fh+tCes41dDud+fV8FFt/nLSRyuE DyB+6BFYO1deKar7QVbDJRCZOu17RpcNRFxb8CRa37q6Z2embLppkixIt+tkru16hOrL 6EDJWLu7AKJMXDm7Q+yBY0cRJI/utuplmu+APrAAoWbztsQo5XlDvAVYEBoT5r9gM8Zs M6OoZp3pAg5G2ZJvCvNwo0bgX2BCiUXnz8TkjOn+WOhFuDglI4QtFajoJ1NWk00uTAcZ NzBw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4fb7e3e4.6aea440a.1b35.ffffd081@mx.google.com> References: <4fb7e3e4.6aea440a.1b35.ffffd081@mx.google.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 12:31:56 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cheap sampler From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 18:31:57 +0000 (UTC) For what you'd spend on a hardware sampler, even a refurb'd iPad2 (http://store.apple.com/us/product/FC980LL/A) would be affordable =85 especially since it would still be covered by an Apple warranty (and on these things, there are no moving parts, no hard drives to fail). Something to consider. Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 12:18 PM, k3zz21@gmail.com wrote= : > :p if only i had an ipad > -----Original Message----- > Date: Saturday, May 19, 2012 10:24:09 am > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > From: "Dennis Moser" > Subject: Re: Cheap sampler > > Be sure and watch the second video I posted; he goes in to much more > detail there about the setup, including custom scales and keyboard > layouts?I'm slowly getting in to using this sampler, but some of it is > still a bit beyond me. > > Best, > > Dennis > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Charles Zwicky = wrote: >> Pretty cool! >> Oddly in the "resampling" demo (around 4:30) he plays an octave of >> alternating "C" and the resampled version is at the correct pitch when h= e >> plays "E".. oops.. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dirpj9HdkiH0&feature=3Drelated >> >> >> >> >> At 10:44 -0600 19/5/12, Dennis Moser wrote: >>> >>> If you do go the iPad route, you should also consider looking at one >>> of Jordan Rudess's apps called "Sample Wiz" ? video in action here >>> (alone with several others): >>> http://youtu.be/ePzZyc_gk4c >>> >>> Discussion here: >>> http://forum.melodeon.net/index.php?topic=3D778 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 19:00:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39F97183462; Sat, 19 May 2012 19:00:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 776018415/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.24.118/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.24.118 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqQBAEDtt09YbRh2/2dsb2JhbAANOIUthgKreQEBBCMVQBELGgIFFgsCAgkDAgECAUUcAbFykgqBJowOggqBFAOaV40e X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,622,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="776018415" Message-ID: <4FB7EDE6.3030402@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 20:00:54 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoloop now working for MAC References: <1D8CD372B1314CCEB4219D914D8FE53C@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4FB667BE.8070701@tiscali.co.uk> <9B9C99DD7910489C91A8B32FC70D76C9@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4FB68879.1060705@tiscali.co.uk> <4FB6AED5.5050502@tiscali.co.uk> <4FB7A3D1.2020709@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4FB7A3D1.2020709@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 19:00:43 +0000 (UTC) Problem on pc version was caused when I edited out some mac specific debug code. Mac version has not had the problem ever. andy Mathons From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 19:01:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DCBA183455; Sat, 19 May 2012 19:01:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 766405402/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.24.118/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.24.118 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqUBAJDtt09YbRh2/2dsb2JhbAANOIUthgKreAEBAQQjFUARCxgCAgUWCwICCQMCAQIBRRwBsXKSCoEmjA6CCoEUA5pXjR4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,622,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="766405402" Message-ID: <4FB7EE1E.7070407@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 20:01:50 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ableton Issue References: <1D8CD372B1314CCEB4219D914D8FE53C@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4FB667BE.8070701@tiscali.co.uk> <9B9C99DD7910489C91A8B32FC70D76C9@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4FB68879.1060705@tiscali.co.uk> <4FB6AED5.5050502@tiscali.co.uk> <4FB7A3D1.2020709@tiscali.co.uk> <4FB7AABF.9010803@tiscali.co.uk> <4FB7E219.70702@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <4FB7E219.70702@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 19:01:38 +0000 (UTC) thanx Rainer, much appreciated Rainer Straschill wrote: > andy butler schrieb: >> >> Passing midi from a midi channel to an audio channel (to control a >> plugin) >> anyone noticed that the midi channel is changed to CH1? > The short answer is "yes". From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 22:23:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62F69183460; Sat, 19 May 2012 22:23:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=0fEspEzD6YM/ogE0mkgW6YMIOSDdmiy/GqG2nw4x8Zw=; b=RaOS0W2009dv2XLV50FpxdMv4nOMU69cx0n7sA17wJkq4m9ZjXKNxtK3g3tbXyOghU jWY85Hm4Odqj8HW9gvDK3ZsDSOX1qVWWyxnk3S2SGzH8OUlEWeNz3zFxGEcrIY5UJF2O ONModtbMHu56QYqyIZuy4FqgwoXA9cnroK1ShHDvRcLBEcyFgLVzKkj1sSP3uvR4u9BY kMoS9gwwr75erscxKKLps60xPOwkfWXtncQWu7F/qYV6eX6pNL615fGb89rMJtZmlrfL DI23FGp2TeXo79I29y8Ag29giNF/5LNAgLjyrIiHqVz8BHmhi15XlLitEinQMJbBYRM6 7IsA== Message-ID: From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <1D8CD372B1314CCEB4219D914D8FE53C@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4FB667BE.8070701@tiscali.co.uk> <9B9C99DD7910489C91A8B32FC70D76C9@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4FB68879.1060705@tiscali.co.uk> <4FB6AED5.5050502@tiscali.co.uk> <4FB7A3D1.2020709@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4FB7A3D1.2020709@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Echoloop now working for PC (mac?) Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 16:23:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 22:23:54 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Andy. -----Original Message----- From: andy butler Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 7:44 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Matthias Grob Subject: Echoloop now working for PC (mac?) Apologies to anyone who suffered with an Echoloop version that was never going to work. Here's the fix on PC http://www.andybutler.com/mathons/EcholoopPCv425.zip This is latest version that I have access to, and is checked and working in Plogue Bidule and....yes......wait for it Ableton Live. One issue I found in Ableton was that the plugin had to have it's midi channel set to CH 1, even though I was sending it stuff on CH2. (confirmed with Ableton's midi filter). So, I dunnow, does Ableton mess with midi channel of data it passes? Anyway, the detailed but simple to follow instructions for running the plugin in Ableton do indeed work. There's *no* problem with Note-Off. Matthias says he has a working mac version, but hasn't yet been able to confirm that the bug I found was fixed for mac. Once again, apologies from Mathons for allowing this to occur. andy butler Mathons From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 19 23:50:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BC1F18345B; Sat, 19 May 2012 23:50:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1332475872==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120519235017.2753.73706.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 19:50:19 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: more from Looper's Delight / Live Looping Conference Resent-Message-ID: <-f8FMB.A.QxH.uGDuPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 23:50:06 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============1332475872== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello!=20Are=20all=20you=20loopers=20excited=20about=20the=20upcoming=20tel= econference?=20The=20Looper's=20Delight=20 /=20Live=20Looping=20Conference?=20I'll=20repost=20the=20directions=20on=20= May=2029-30.=20Hope=20to=20hear=20you=20 there=20on=20June=202.=20What=20do=20you=20guys=20think=20of=20this?=20As= =20I=20said=20before,=20you=20loopers=20will=20be=20allowed=20to=20share=20= your=20 loops=20over=20the=20Conversation=20Station=20lines,=20but=20this=20year's= =20show=20(it's=20the=20first=20annual=20one)=20will=20have=20a=20heavy=20 focus=20on=20loop=20history,=20starting=20from=20the=20tape=20days.=20So=20= anyone=20with=20enough=20knowledge=20in=20loop=20history=20is=20advised=20 to=20share=20it.=20I'm=20good=20with=20loop=20history=20too,=20so=20I'll=20= share=20mine.=20Remember,=20June=202,=202012,=20 2:00=20to=205:00=20PM=20US=20Eastern=20Time.=20Direction=20repost=20later= =20this=20month. Tyler=20Z --===============1332475872==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 20 03:22:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C74B183460; Sun, 20 May 2012 03:22:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=+MXeQa3eM6fUiE1J12UNl+liuWdu8zutfSK0KOcYRYE=; b=KALVOI4/nVVR/JvovQJt8qUJs9MyiYvGvhtJyBRtO6r+iXEmbO2G88EbyOTEDj44xI ywD1u6DnH6uX/iBGd6X/nxxtd/zWklWx+b9k3/vIOnxwSppYHRe3bBiO+NPHQmEzhCWZ zQVai4sGyco9tr9VmoCxfzyVGLNeuVwJOKRuqc0vurARegMusBtJBUzLRu+/D1/EL87c pxgDF55JjMyvpQ/lJK5PQkUktKj5z/wfkfduZqxm1MgDfXjcrTsJLdSW4Si0AIq+kFXa zBtvrn220xgHmCuQaKX9Htfks6aPK/YlUq70wwokZsFzs0vu1jYUlU7H/LSKiplvybXd Yvag== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4fb7e3e4.6aea440a.1b35.ffffd081@mx.google.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 23:22:12 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cheap sampler From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec554098ca4889304c06f4abd Resent-Message-ID: <6c-ImD.A.uBB.mNGuPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 03:22:14 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec554098ca4889304c06f4abd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll echo that vote for samplewiz. Nothing else quite like it. Resampling and changing the sound on the fly makes it unique (check out those videos). Best $10 you can spend in the app store. Sylvain On Saturday, May 19, 2012, Dennis Moser wrote: > For what you'd spend on a hardware sampler, even a refurb'd iPad2 > (http://store.apple.com/us/product/FC980LL/A) would be affordable =85 > especially since it would still be covered by an Apple warranty (and > on these things, there are no moving parts, no hard drives to fail). > > Something to consider. > > Best, > > Dennis > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 12:18 PM, k3zz21@gmail.com < > k3zz21@gmail.com > wrote: > > :p if only i had an ipad > > -----Original Message----- > > Date: Saturday, May 19, 2012 10:24:09 am > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > From: "Dennis Moser" > > > Subject: Re: Cheap sampler > > > > Be sure and watch the second video I posted; he goes in to much more > > detail there about the setup, including custom scales and keyboard > > layouts?I'm slowly getting in to using this sampler, but some of it is > > still a bit beyond me. > > > > Best, > > > > Dennis > > > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > > http://audiozoloft.com > > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > > > > On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Charles Zwicky > > wrote: > >> Pretty cool! > >> Oddly in the "resampling" demo (around 4:30) he plays an octave of > >> alternating "C" and the resampled version is at the correct pitch when > he > >> plays "E".. oops.. > >> > >> Introducing SampleWiz > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> At 10:44 -0600 19/5/12, Dennis Moser wrote: > >>> > >>> If you do go the iPad route, you should also consider looking at one > >>> of Jordan Rudess's apps called "Sample Wiz" ? video in action here > >>> (alone with several others): > >>> http://youtu.be/ePzZyc_gk4c > >>> > >>> Discussion here: > >>> http://forum.melodeon.net/index.php?topic=3D778 > > > > --bcaec554098ca4889304c06f4abd Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll echo that vote for samplewiz. =A0Nothing else quite like it. =A0Re= sampling and changing the sound on the fly makes it unique (check out those= videos). =A0Best $10 you can spend in the app store.
Sylvain

On Saturday, May 19, 2012, Dennis Moser wrote:
For what you'd spend on a hardware sampler, even a refurb= 9;d iPad2
(= http://store.apple.com/us/product/FC980LL/A) would be affordable =85 especially since it would still be covered by an Apple warranty (and
on these things, there are no moving parts, no hard drives to fail).

Something to consider.

Best,

Dennis

http://soundclo= ud.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com=
http://usrsla= shsbin.angrek.com/


On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 12:18 PM, k3zz21@gmail.com <= k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:
> :p if only i had an ipad
> -----Original Message-----
> Date: Saturday, May 19, 2012 10:24:09 am
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight= .com
> From: "Dennis Moser" <sinsofmachau= t@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Cheap sampler
>
> Be sure and watch the second video I posted; he goes in to much more > detail there about the setup, including custom scales and keyboard
> layouts?I'm slowly getting in to using this sampler, but some of i= t is
> still a bit beyond me.
>
> Best,
>
> Dennis
>
> http://sou= ndcloud.com/usrsbin
> http://audiozolof= t.com
> http://u= srslashsbin.angrek.com/
>
>
> On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Pretty cool!
>> Oddly in the "resampling" demo (around 4:30) he plays an= octave of
>> alternating "C" and the resampled version is at the corr= ect pitch when he
>> plays "E".. oops..
>>
>> Introducing SampleWiz
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 10:44 -0600 19/5/12, Dennis Moser wrote:
>>>
>>> If you do go the iPad route, you should also consider looking = at one
>>> of Jordan Rudess's apps called "Sample Wiz" ? vi= deo in action here
>>> (alone with several others):
>>> http= ://youtu.be/ePzZyc_gk4c
>>>
>>> Discussion here:
>>> http://forum.melodeon.net/index.php?topic=3D778
>

--bcaec554098ca4889304c06f4abd-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 20 05:16:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3276118345C; Sun, 20 May 2012 05:16:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FB87E2A.1070207@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 22:16:26 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dennis Moser CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Cheap sampler References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010502070307010009020502" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 05:16:35 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010502070307010009020502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 5/19/12 10:24 AM, Dennis Moser wrote: > Be sure and watch the second video I posted; he goes in to much more > detail there about the setup, including custom scales and keyboard > layouts... I'm in love with Sample Wiz and with it's companion Morph Wiz. Jordan is a really innovative keyboardist. I love how the thinks. I wish I was more into Dream Theater, but it's just not my cup of tea. rick walker --------------010502070307010009020502 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 5/19/12 10:24 AM, Dennis Moser wrote: 
Be sure and watch the second video I posted; he goes in to much more
detail there about the setup, including custom scales and keyboard
layouts…
I'm in love with Sample Wiz and with it's companion Morph Wiz.

Jordan is a really innovative keyboardist.  I love how the thinks.
I wish I was more into Dream Theater, but it's just not my cup of tea.

rick walker
 --------------010502070307010009020502-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 20 05:22:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F37218345A; Sun, 20 May 2012 05:22:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=hr4h1/zkXYERSJ2EStLXlJ9v/X1e5ATtVUFVM9Abuxk= c=1 sm=0 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=mK_AVkanAAAA:8 a=jpLi23TLPJqEWXqKMPsA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=9xyTavCNlvEA:10 a=4vZTFpmTagEF3Qf_:21 a=vc2CPqYKZ_C-m6nG:21 a=I3yrX4CRy4QB6ylvCdk7hw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Re: Cheap sampler References: <4fb76f54.e5c5440a.7980.ffff9627@mx.google.com> <4FB7718C.7090205@googlemail.com> <3948590834566012580@unknownmsgid> From: chaz worm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: <3948590834566012580@unknownmsgid> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 01:22:12 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: <2yzh_B.A.2wB.t-HuPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 05:22:53 +0000 (UTC) Sent from my iPhone On May 19, 2012, at 6:57 AM, mark francombe wrote:= > scuse last mail... iPhone fingers trouble... >=20 > fairlight looks v cool!!! >=20 > Sent from my (advertisement removed) >=20 > On 19 May 2012, at 12:10, Rainer Straschill wro= te: >=20 >> who still has an old Emu ESi-32 from days gone by (this thing is so outda= ted that I didn't even try to sell it...) >=20 > lovely Rainer... is that the one with the fab variable startpoint? >=20 > Me... i still love the sound of My Akai S1000... cost 1200 UK pounds > In its day... couldnt Get 100 dollars for it now... mine has > sentimental value cos Robert Smith bought it for me... he doesnt know > it... but i bought it In 93 with tour 'bonus'! >=20 I saw Robert Smith with my Cure fanatic gf in Dayton OH back around '93. Did= n't care much for him but since I've seen that show I've been a fan. I think= I'll try to loop some bluegrass Cure songs =20 Chaz Worm > i did this sampler checkin a while back... went for an electribe drum > machine... not happy... but thats another post... >=20 > think Ricks suggestion is best.. go to Ebay... spend no more than 200$ > and try out stuff... most have internal drives that are often > fucked... and thats often the only problem... but a biggie... >=20 > mark >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 20 05:44:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A77C0183460; Sun, 20 May 2012 05:44:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:subject:from:to:cc:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer; bh=bqfdl8eUUKwFkXLIByqgnLdW5zYOY2t37Z0NqQjNI3k=; b=ISAsE+tdDgbBc6nE9yg0H/xqMSoKE+gAnOb6bY0sfuwiTDiySjvR7HeOHTC586cTGG V6zRkwHvVsxMYYVtXxnZgzPCUqJZ7eeGfA113P0wVCMCc2y7E0tA4NbYH0cMgbudYaEu bMawDuzt5Mro6Wf2Nb7czUC4RIYQ/Fwtgw0tLx4vgD3ZJ7ko0+YITPZiSX/WhBEI2rnl N8Jb+BCYlMBv7yVAccplr4zLt/9CtJ2EfmIHwDwGmUlXld0h07qg/LAd6ezgyX99zSAZ g/ZCP3Zf57vuBhopRPWfwh1b5zXo1J5N6uaNHu6QSBJEdVAsC9YFQpGEggIlmDLgSk8J Rr5w== Message-ID: <4fb884a6.28ea440a.2201.075e@mx.google.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 22:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Cheap sampler From: "k3zz21@gmail.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Seven Enterprise Gateway (v 2.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 05:44:08 +0000 (UTC) i have a 64gb 3rd gen itouch but unfortunately of all things the headphone jack isnt working right :( -----Original Message----- Date: Saturday, May 19, 2012 10:22:56 pm To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" From: "chaz worm" Subject: Re: Cheap sampler Sent from my iPhone On May 19, 2012, at 6:57 AM, mark francombe wrote: > scuse last mail... iPhone fingers trouble... > > fairlight looks v cool!!! > > Sent from my (advertisement removed) > > On 19 May 2012, at 12:10, Rainer Straschill wrote: > >> who still has an old Emu ESi-32 from days gone by (this thing is so outdated that I didn't even try to sell it...) > > lovely Rainer... is that the one with the fab variable startpoint? > > Me... i still love the sound of My Akai S1000... cost 1200 UK pounds > In its day... couldnt Get 100 dollars for it now... mine has > sentimental value cos Robert Smith bought it for me... he doesnt know > it... but i bought it In 93 with tour 'bonus'! > I saw Robert Smith with my Cure fanatic gf in Dayton OH back around '93. Didn't care much for him but since I've seen that show I've been a fan. I think I'll try to loop some bluegrass Cure songs Chaz Worm > i did this samp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 20 16:05:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84B12183455; Sun, 20 May 2012 16:05:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lWVSostx7uZdPzmRpumYjuLLFBG9PbpySKg08FK9Zi8=; b=hC0oLgpNQY5tc+Pa2v56hH8ONncw9QFK/D5Vt7UK+BjeWilMVKCAjvc/haEqpea5N8 lGueOuzGPGxujssrMGZ8dS6iyHTZog6n6PJFGyheZrvzrBgrDVRwt4lOOHNVNR/8jjvF RM0L/1DsMngJdV8bCLLN0/cQS7LeUZCG7CAWp8geUgLamfF3erSX/DWqtY/RBqaan2OI M07e0dKgd2+c/qMvwKF3/zdSv2W5QWYFaZmVMGoT3ypEzG41pMcXkG69cGWdCl56WvKh 1HyKBFVaCvnxe0bS9cMWuGmhYlsbwBJnknL8YmzocT0EjQm4ZKvK8i54jM5SJsITwn4E wNXw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4fb884a6.28ea440a.2201.075e@mx.google.com> References: <4fb884a6.28ea440a.2201.075e@mx.google.com> Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 10:05:45 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cheap sampler From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 16:05:46 +0000 (UTC) Might be worth getting it repaired, just so you can start using the iOS apps =97 I started off using a 32 GB 3rdGen iTouch. Once you've bought the apps, you can transfer them to the iPad should you want the larger surface. It CAN be done on the iPhone/iPod form factor, but it's nice to have the room of the iPad. Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 11:44 PM, k3zz21@gmail.com wrote= : > i have a 64gb 3rd gen itouch but unfortunately of all things the headphon= e jack isnt working right :( > -----Original Message----- > Date: Saturday, May 19, 2012 10:22:56 pm > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > From: "chaz worm" > Subject: Re: Cheap sampler > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 19, 2012, at 6:57 AM, mark francombe wro= te: > >> scuse last mail... iPhone fingers trouble... >> >> fairlight looks v cool!!! >> >> Sent from my (advertisement removed) >> >> On 19 May 2012, at 12:10, Rainer Straschill w= rote: >> >>> who still has an old Emu ESi-32 from days gone by (this thing is so out= dated that I didn't even try to sell it...) >> >> lovely Rainer... is that the one with the fab variable startpoint? >> >> Me... i still love the sound of My Akai S1000... cost 1200 UK pounds >> In its day... couldnt Get 100 dollars for it now... mine has >> sentimental value cos Robert Smith bought it for me... he doesnt know >> it... but i bought it In 93 with tour 'bonus'! >> > > I saw Robert Smith with my Cure fanatic gf in Dayton OH back around '93. = Didn't care much for him but since I've seen that show I've been a fan. I t= hink I'll try to loop some bluegrass Cure songs > > Chaz Worm > > > > > > >> i did this samp > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 20 21:33:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFDE118345A; Sun, 20 May 2012 21:33:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=eYqDNDxpWbFpZDs04tSRRaL2pqAaCqZlB7PbV5+U8O8=; b=Ug7+1aEl0V7ST8wZNIOI4LiIyvF5abVE94RUsQiPfk+G8S2G8EL/q/XcEM2sejclr0 Et/BF29bdBA3X8CcORNZz2O4PrpJDnt1n+oB8G5Lo/HLUuGNGVR6hcGOC6mNfaUhWJem W8IdHKQTEmA9qtdEnyuJaS2kX7BEP0K29z/uXkXUhJ6zWtMQLTdXuDPY1hr45191dpSJ MDs6zEmls7am4U4okPIw8VuQR+FTfmCMNqtVsY+X9BlCZRavi3EQZj0X4RP8AuIXaAQC vQI8Vq1UEpCYGigufM3BzTzaNYahbLOPGcCK65MMBvdARZOQGe/e64Ixx1vlZi5dbKwu Cgjw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4fb884a6.28ea440a.2201.075e@mx.google.com> Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 14:33:38 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cheap sampler From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043c8074ea3dd704c07e893c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 21:33:40 +0000 (UTC) --f46d043c8074ea3dd704c07e893c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh i'm not foreign to iOS music apps. In fact that's where I started music production. BEATMAKER!!!! Lol that was my first ever "DAW" and then iSequencer, then Nanostudio (Which I still love to this day). But now the majority of my composition time goes to FL Studio. On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Dennis Moser wrot= e: > Might be worth getting it repaired, just so you can start using the > iOS apps =97 I started off using a 32 GB 3rdGen iTouch. Once you've > bought the apps, you can transfer them to the iPad should you want the > larger surface. It CAN be done on the iPhone/iPod form factor, but > it's nice to have the room of the iPad. > > Best, > > Dennis > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 11:44 PM, k3zz21@gmail.com > wrote: > > i have a 64gb 3rd gen itouch but unfortunately of all things the > headphone jack isnt working right :( > > -----Original Message----- > > Date: Saturday, May 19, 2012 10:22:56 pm > > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" < > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > > From: "chaz worm" > > Subject: Re: Cheap sampler > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On May 19, 2012, at 6:57 AM, mark francombe > wrote: > > > >> scuse last mail... iPhone fingers trouble... > >> > >> fairlight looks v cool!!! > >> > >> Sent from my (advertisement removed) > >> > >> On 19 May 2012, at 12:10, Rainer Straschill > wrote: > >> > >>> who still has an old Emu ESi-32 from days gone by (this thing is so > outdated that I didn't even try to sell it...) > >> > >> lovely Rainer... is that the one with the fab variable startpoint? > >> > >> Me... i still love the sound of My Akai S1000... cost 1200 UK pounds > >> In its day... couldnt Get 100 dollars for it now... mine has > >> sentimental value cos Robert Smith bought it for me... he doesnt know > >> it... but i bought it In 93 with tour 'bonus'! > >> > > > > I saw Robert Smith with my Cure fanatic gf in Dayton OH back around '93= . > Didn't care much for him but since I've seen that show I've been a fan. I > think I'll try to loop some bluegrass Cure songs > > > > Chaz Worm > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> i did this samp > > > > --f46d043c8074ea3dd704c07e893c Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh i'm not foreign to iOS music apps. In fact that's where I starte= d music production. BEATMAKER!!!! Lol that was my first ever "DAW"= ; and then iSequencer, then Nanostudio (Which I still love to this day). Bu= t now the majority of my composition time goes to FL Studio.

On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Dennis Mose= r <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> wrote:
Might be worth getting it repaired, just so you can start using the
iOS apps =97 I started off using a 32 GB 3rdGen iTouch. Once you've
bought the apps, you can transfer them to the iPad should you want the
larger surface. It CAN be done on the iPhone/iPod form factor, but
it's nice to have the room of the iPad.

Best,

Dennis

http://soundclo= ud.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com=
http://usrsla= shsbin.angrek.com/


On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 11:44= PM, k3zz21@gmail.com <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:
> i have a 64gb 3rd gen itouch but unfortunately of all things the headp= hone jack isnt working right :(
> -----Original Message-----
> Date: Saturday, May 19, 2012 10:22:56 pm
> To: "Loope= rs-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> From: "chaz worm" <chaz@earthwormandfire.com>
> Subject: Re: Cheap sampler
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 19, 2012, at 6:57 AM, mark francombe <markfrancombe@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> scuse last mail... iPhone fingers trouble...
>>
>> fairlight looks v cool!!!
>>
>> Sent from my (advertisement removed)
>>
>> On 19 May 2012, at 12:10, Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> who still has an old Emu ESi-32 from days gone by (this thing = is so outdated that I didn't even try to sell it...)
>>
>> lovely Rainer... is that the one with the fab variable startpoint?=
>>
>> Me... i still love the sound of My Akai S1000... cost 1200 UK poun= ds
>> In its day... couldnt Get 100 dollars for it now... mine has
>> sentimental value cos Robert Smith bought it for me... he doesnt k= now
>> it... but i bought it In 93 with tour 'bonus'!
>>
>
> I saw Robert Smith with my Cure fanatic gf in Dayton OH back around &#= 39;93. Didn't care much for him but since I've seen that show I'= ;ve been a fan. I think I'll try to loop some bluegrass Cure songs
>
> Chaz Worm
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> i did this samp
>


--f46d043c8074ea3dd704c07e893c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 20 21:34:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECFAA183460; Sun, 20 May 2012 21:34:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=0b5cP8Sujs3UDkWiNsEdlXUemBvSuEyE7dEhlYnQbyE=; b=e1ROee/+Po92j4xefp3w3DvGmzOQm18s86BVEGpZP0hXkKRbyzbSEpIgtWAThDooMb FLhnEexijHr/x/QaDUolSDk8kTxTFg+7nLLyWNBwouFH1AArrmY1CtOXROS3KSS9yMio 6ZBPcP7PICj38PS3zCKLY4Ph+wkV45z2jFPjAG8WCI6Dejq9Ns/h8N/sx1fsn24aVvwC 2utLAOsEmAjXuDRyy1VDlL70TffqL/s3Y10lQ57Gs96KnYwhIECVfGXGW/v8yyMJ9qoT JfMtskeTbmHXSy2NHWfx7pExcOEQK2cMPfEsjTIQrBrtVjz9wm3Bu8X/aZXuj0R2OmEs uPbg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4fb884a6.28ea440a.2201.075e@mx.google.com> Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 14:34:36 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cheap sampler From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04428b3055c9cc04c07e8db9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 21:34:37 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04428b3055c9cc04c07e8db9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm also kinda bumbed about my ipod messing up because I had about 4 Nanostudio projects I was working on. On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 2:33 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > Oh i'm not foreign to iOS music apps. In fact that's where I started musi= c > production. BEATMAKER!!!! Lol that was my first ever "DAW" and then > iSequencer, then Nanostudio (Which I still love to this day). But now the > majority of my composition time goes to FL Studio. > > > On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Dennis Moser wr= ote: > >> Might be worth getting it repaired, just so you can start using the >> iOS apps =97 I started off using a 32 GB 3rdGen iTouch. Once you've >> bought the apps, you can transfer them to the iPad should you want the >> larger surface. It CAN be done on the iPhone/iPod form factor, but >> it's nice to have the room of the iPad. >> >> Best, >> >> Dennis >> >> http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin >> http://audiozoloft.com >> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >> >> >> On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 11:44 PM, k3zz21@gmail.com >> wrote: >> > i have a 64gb 3rd gen itouch but unfortunately of all things the >> headphone jack isnt working right :( >> > -----Original Message----- >> > Date: Saturday, May 19, 2012 10:22:56 pm >> > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" < >> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> >> > From: "chaz worm" >> > Subject: Re: Cheap sampler >> > >> > >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> > On May 19, 2012, at 6:57 AM, mark francombe >> wrote: >> > >> >> scuse last mail... iPhone fingers trouble... >> >> >> >> fairlight looks v cool!!! >> >> >> >> Sent from my (advertisement removed) >> >> >> >> On 19 May 2012, at 12:10, Rainer Straschill >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> who still has an old Emu ESi-32 from days gone by (this thing is so >> outdated that I didn't even try to sell it...) >> >> >> >> lovely Rainer... is that the one with the fab variable startpoint? >> >> >> >> Me... i still love the sound of My Akai S1000... cost 1200 UK pounds >> >> In its day... couldnt Get 100 dollars for it now... mine has >> >> sentimental value cos Robert Smith bought it for me... he doesnt know >> >> it... but i bought it In 93 with tour 'bonus'! >> >> >> > >> > I saw Robert Smith with my Cure fanatic gf in Dayton OH back around >> '93. Didn't care much for him but since I've seen that show I've been a >> fan. I think I'll try to loop some bluegrass Cure songs >> > >> > Chaz Worm >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> i did this samp >> > >> >> > --f46d04428b3055c9cc04c07e8db9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm also kinda bumbed about my ipod messing up because I had about 4 Na= nostudio projects I was working on.

On Su= n, May 20, 2012 at 2:33 PM, kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh i'm not foreign to iOS music apps. In= fact that's where I started music production. BEATMAKER!!!! Lol that w= as my first ever "DAW" and then iSequencer, then Nanostudio (Whic= h I still love to this day). But now the majority of my composition time go= es to FL Studio.


On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Dennis Mose= r <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> wrote:
Might be worth getting it repaired, just so you can start using the
iOS apps =97 I started off using a 32 GB 3rdGen iTouch. Once you've
bought the apps, you can transfer them to the iPad should you want the
larger surface. It CAN be done on the iPhone/iPod form factor, but
it's nice to have the room of the iPad.
On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 11:44 PM, k3zz21@gmail.com <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:
> i have a 64gb 3rd gen itouch but unfortunately of all things the headp= hone jack isnt working right :(
> -----Original Message-----
> Date: Saturday, May 19, 2012 10:22:56 pm
> To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Deligh= t@loopers-delight.com>
> From: "chaz worm" <chaz@earthwormandfire.com>
> Subject: Re: Cheap sampler
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 19, 2012, at 6:57 AM, mark francombe <markfrancombe@gmail.com> wrot= e:
>
>> scuse last mail... iPhone fingers trouble...
>>
>> fairlight looks v cool!!!
>>
>> Sent from my (advertisement removed)
>>
>> On 19 May 2012, at 12:10, Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com>= ; wrote:
>>
>>> who still has an old Emu ESi-32 from days gone by (this thing = is so outdated that I didn't even try to sell it...)
>>
>> lovely Rainer... is that the one with the fab variable startpoint?=
>>
>> Me... i still love the sound of My Akai S1000... cost 1200 UK poun= ds
>> In its day... couldnt Get 100 dollars for it now... mine has
>> sentimental value cos Robert Smith bought it for me... he doesnt k= now
>> it... but i bought it In 93 with tour 'bonus'!
>>
>
> I saw Robert Smith with my Cure fanatic gf in Dayton OH back around &#= 39;93. Didn't care much for him but since I've seen that show I'= ;ve been a fan. I think I'll try to loop some bluegrass Cure songs
>
> Chaz Worm
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> i did this samp
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--f46d04428b3055c9cc04c07e8db9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 21 18:14:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 713E018345D; Mon, 21 May 2012 18:14:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 902 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 21 May 2012 18:14:37 UTC X-BigFish: PS-3(zzc85fh179dNzz1202hzz8275bhz2fh2a8h668h839he5bhf0ahbe3k) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.234.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:SN2PRD0410HT001.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail21-ch1: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.234.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.234.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=SN2PRD0410HT001.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Interesting controller Thread-Topic: Interesting controller Thread-Index: AQHNN3t26spCXV/N1EmExL41v843KQ== Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 17:59:26 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.255.115.4] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CBDFECAD42930jefflarsonsailpointcom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: <39uexD.A.29B.NYouPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 18:14:38 +0000 (UTC) --_000_CBDFECAD42930jefflarsonsailpointcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WANT! http://www.leapmotion.com/ Only $70 but of course it's all about the software support. Hmm... --_000_CBDFECAD42930jefflarsonsailpointcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <8B7320A80EF52947A10B39C8379F5B27@namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
WANT!

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Only $70 but of course it's all about the software support.   Hmm= ...
--_000_CBDFECAD42930jefflarsonsailpointcom_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 21 18:23:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 605CA183460; Mon, 21 May 2012 18:23:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=kieUAyl1nb9FuNhV9CEtiN43YVLMB0RJv0jRnEMSeig=; b=vHknPtJ+PagMsKEl28QgL+pZjZa//vDSu35OWoajLBB+XLotbyXn+1jS713Bejhmgw XX/91hKTudaBWuhBw/IamH1cDXY4SQgpgibgE/Y4Giq5zQpE0ALcp7N7icPlQjpruhNr Z48twsRfdNsi2b/t009DxlrlES63kjUjlata3L1zUEmFc8Uae+tzPNPK57Rge/7uovQ/ cC6fMyWYGzxcpZMyaatMLyG2HBdeIUf/Ucu/cA7yvybGoUssIaEjHRSvrOBl8STVACKo 3GxxT1uE4IBpLbIrjqbgV9qSJfKcTlhbyI+APuzaXGMMDrs+LmKuKx266+jrwnlcYEIF 380w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 19:22:59 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Interesting controller From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <9DMI4D.A.jHC.FgouPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 18:23:01 +0000 (UTC) hell no. can you imagine how tired your arms would get? and where's the tactile feedback? all these new interfaces - wavy hand things and touch screens - offer no feedback whatsoever! the human hand is an incredible device, able to manipulate objects with an amazing variety of weights, densities and sizes and it's covered in sensors....temperature, texture, mass, stickyness etc etc...and yet none of these interfaces take advantage of that. imagine controlling something with an object like a spongy ball, that was able to change it's surface texture and temperature to give you feedback about the virtual objects or software that you were literally "manipulating" with your hand. that's where the future is. On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Jeff Larson wr= ote: > WANT! > > http://www.leapmotion.com/ > > > > Only $70 but of course it's all about the software support. =A0 Hmm... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 21 18:24:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 877FA18345B; Mon, 21 May 2012 18:24:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=0bm9jQu0DAnACTnGLIypPcho+GXuwBXqFankFHnFe2w=; b=CxdsadYqsgsqD3/xVRnGcm06RkrIDcM/0+p1Qng2BiCUNbMmYGL5L8hGLGmvP/6azf zTv5DUCoOteXHdwWjfMJ97C9dM1UxpKXdjAec3HtvRnVyokRTmGBNTAwF/StASqaNqxm WsBgcL+TufNkws72zIR+itHksXebEO3/zi56OBrbPzGBIRjec91qW9CerTioREJ99Zt6 NpvZXW7HhVjckk9q7C7fKUTjNxSZYIR2DDEc7ZEdygI5b8l3sLR226nPjM7hidCfckQe /JG/agy7Mic58Ot5AgniG58k4ZCBMVYfYvWq/u6rnbpY16QH0mla8xw8OVZM0zDWoA+D xkUQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 20:24:35 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Interesting controller From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 18:24:36 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > http://www.leapmotion.com/ I used to be sceptic to touch sensitive screens because of the minimal tactile response, but this is even worse... none at all! ;-) Maybe suitable for playing virtual air guitar? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 21 18:35:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36F1E183466; Mon, 21 May 2012 18:35:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BigFish: PS-17(zzbb2dI9371I179dN1432N98dKzz1202hzz8275bhz2fh2a8h668h839h946he5bhf0ah) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.234.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:SN2PRD0410HT005.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail36-tx2: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.234.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.234.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=SN2PRD0410HT005.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Interesting controller Thread-Topic: Interesting controller Thread-Index: AQHNN3t26spCXV/N1EmExL41v843KZbUjomA//+vnAA= Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 18:35:19 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.255.115.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <99F0F868A68EEB44BB394DF176513CC3@namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 18:35:23 +0000 (UTC) Oh sure, I would never use it for the things depicted in the video, though after a few months my deltoids would be ripped! Bolt one of these on a guitar however=8A You're right, tactile feedback would limit what you would do. I'm imagining it like a D-beam on steroids, useful for continuous control of effects, virtual faders, maybe loop triggers. They would have to be simple and "large" objects since you can't spend a lot of time thinking about where your hands go. Plus it's a new way we can look ridiculous. On 5/21/12 1:22 PM, "Simeon Harris" wrote: >hell no. can you imagine how tired your arms would get? > >and where's the tactile feedback? > >all these new interfaces - wavy hand things and touch screens - offer >no feedback whatsoever! > > the human hand is an incredible device, able to manipulate objects >with an amazing variety of weights, densities and sizes and it's >covered in sensors....temperature, texture, mass, stickyness etc >etc...and yet none of these interfaces take advantage of that. imagine >controlling something with an object like a spongy ball, that was able >to change it's surface texture and temperature to give you feedback >about the virtual objects or software that you were literally >"manipulating" with your hand. > >that's where the future is. > >On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Jeff Larson >wrote: >> WANT! >> >> http://www.leapmotion.com/ >> >> >> >> Only $70 but of course it's all about the software support. Hmm... > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 21 19:21:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2ECC1183474; Mon, 21 May 2012 19:21:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Zd+xRvBqu4nAsemz1PCr2Itc733pHQ8utusVI+XHVzY=; b=V9wahzSNbVbfwGBbNH4IjWUBH88exxUheQ3srNN6h4zy9rpnND6X/zScNxExZhfXHe 76f7uxcjTz6KMyvl0kZP2JFxItra4k2BJm4CYoYthR0cATB3wGY0abII9Lo4LzEIdsUj k4YQoFw/JTGM0UJgr3ARwzBurQhvWLF4REbe67ksimb25gTe6BAUt/IIilhBLvYJEM+0 TAEsDSZ0m8jIzVhMPULLMzoUtSQ1j7nDz5u+3DKV+qsLcvi9UUDpkS4DcHoHgxdKFHHl MkhbXQs5GSw8w7Qxqmz9tw1ijAAhB490kzhxFs3Zjs0pNLYckckwXfsaVOYvOkStH4Wz IC3g== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 12:21:41 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Interesting controller From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 19:21:43 +0000 (UTC) I think that focusing on what it does NOT have is limiting the potential for creating new ways of behaving with technology. Tactile sense is very important to some things, but I think this is getting exciting in that it encourages us to think of ways to use gestures to do things we may not have thought of yet. I'm thinking in terms of interactive spaces myself and the ways to use physical movement to create alternate forms of interaction with our space and each other. Imagine if you could connect something like this to a mobile device. Free developer kits too so I expect very cool things from this kind of technology soon. Kevin On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Jeff Larson w= rote: > Oh sure, I would never use it for the things depicted in the video, thoug= h > after a few months my deltoids would be ripped! =C2=A0Bolt one of these o= n a > guitar however=C5=A0 > > You're right, tactile feedback would limit what you would do. =C2=A0I'm > imagining it like a D-beam on steroids, useful for continuous control of > effects, virtual faders, maybe loop triggers. =C2=A0They would have to be > simple and "large" objects since you can't spend a lot of time thinking > about where your hands go. > > Plus it's a new way we can look ridiculous. > > On 5/21/12 1:22 PM, "Simeon Harris" wrote= : > >>hell no. can you imagine how tired your arms would get? >> >>and where's the tactile feedback? >> >>all these new interfaces - wavy hand things and touch screens - offer >>no feedback whatsoever! >> >> the human hand is an incredible device, able to manipulate objects >>with an amazing variety of weights, densities and sizes and it's >>covered in sensors....temperature, texture, mass, stickyness etc >>etc...and yet none of these interfaces take advantage of that. imagine >>controlling something with an object like a spongy ball, that was able >>to change it's surface texture and temperature to give you feedback >>about the virtual objects or software that you were literally >>"manipulating" with your hand. >> >>that's where the future is. >> >>On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Jeff Larson >>wrote: >>> WANT! >>> >>> http://www.leapmotion.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> Only $70 but of course it's all about the software support. =C2=A0 Hmm.= .. >> >> > > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=C2=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 21 19:34:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BE49183462; Mon, 21 May 2012 19:34:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=QOOhS03+E+6anbEAYZY0LHDWcPXqXYFrDeo3fKvxlo0=; b=WnmPpG7Rnh+A13BRTJssUIb3FYtPUCO8oJGUoen/fRRgXjOFin2Cx+77saNbgvu6Qh U7q8WbqQoHdwOpysTSF3HnOukl2eL+soKG4cH74auwbV/lUCVUcbkX8F61XvHzw8i8N8 egwFQ8OiRKt+1hkYOOrKtbZSfWR5lNfI5/orj+TdlA/kDROG3ScM6hfEa3qY4NkbEr4K 4zQ6jbnHl7QWGyEzFxjwXSxNkXKtqhD0OZQgD6gmhx2Kd8KpnVwZ7VbbiDrvSwBgs4+l ZeY7JpxX/PYXUNKCaySPtwypTHDkoYOZkkQW2s21g3iyUGq/RqzqHVvOo844MhucVbAI fqPA== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Interesting controller From: Christopher Darrow In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 12:33:58 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7547021B-02DB-4A59-B1DA-0F94B4524608@gmail.com> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 19:34:05 +0000 (UTC) > it encourages us to think of ways to use gestures=20 > to do things we may not have thought of yet. I agree, and I think also that we haven't seen a device that really = nails it yet. (Who knows, this could be it.) Once it's natural enough = and you can calibrate it to be as precise or forgiving as you need I'm = positive we'll find applications where the advantages of making gestures = in mid air outweigh the tactile feedback limitations and, at the same = time, we'll find better ways of providing other sensory feedback that = make up for it (mostly visual, I bet.)=20 I love the idea of having these things on the guitar, or even below the = head stock such that moving the head stock around controls something.=20 On May 21, 2012, at 12:21 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > I think that focusing on what it does NOT have is limiting the > potential for creating new ways of behaving with technology. Tactile > sense is very important to some things, but I think this is getting > exciting in that it encourages us to think of ways to use gestures to > do things we may not have thought of yet. >=20 > I'm thinking in terms of interactive spaces myself and the ways to use > physical movement to create alternate forms of interaction with our > space and each other. Imagine if you could connect something like > this to a mobile device. >=20 > Free developer kits too so I expect very cool things from this kind of > technology soon. >=20 > Kevin >=20 > On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Jeff Larson = wrote: >> Oh sure, I would never use it for the things depicted in the video, = though >> after a few months my deltoids would be ripped! Bolt one of these on = a >> guitar however=8A >>=20 >> You're right, tactile feedback would limit what you would do. I'm >> imagining it like a D-beam on steroids, useful for continuous control = of >> effects, virtual faders, maybe loop triggers. They would have to be >> simple and "large" objects since you can't spend a lot of time = thinking >> about where your hands go. >>=20 >> Plus it's a new way we can look ridiculous. >>=20 >> On 5/21/12 1:22 PM, "Simeon Harris" = wrote: >>=20 >>> hell no. can you imagine how tired your arms would get? >>>=20 >>> and where's the tactile feedback? >>>=20 >>> all these new interfaces - wavy hand things and touch screens - = offer >>> no feedback whatsoever! >>>=20 >>> the human hand is an incredible device, able to manipulate objects >>> with an amazing variety of weights, densities and sizes and it's >>> covered in sensors....temperature, texture, mass, stickyness etc >>> etc...and yet none of these interfaces take advantage of that. = imagine >>> controlling something with an object like a spongy ball, that was = able >>> to change it's surface texture and temperature to give you feedback >>> about the virtual objects or software that you were literally >>> "manipulating" with your hand. >>>=20 >>> that's where the future is. >>>=20 >>> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Jeff Larson = >>> wrote: >>>> WANT! >>>>=20 >>>> http://www.leapmotion.com/ >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Only $70 but of course it's all about the software support. = Hmm... >>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have = a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all = trouble. >=20 > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >=20 > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 21 20:17:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 569C4183476; Mon, 21 May 2012 20:17:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 487 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 21 May 2012 20:17:01 UTC Reply-To: From: "Andrew Koenig" To: Subject: Octatrack 1.2 -- a new looper Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 16:08:50 -0400 Message-ID: <008b01cd378d$8a14d570$9e3e8050$@acm.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac03jQRa405rDR3dSD+Hv0uoVkM+bg== Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 20:17:01 +0000 (UTC) Elektron today announced version 1.2 of their Octatrack operating system. Among its many new features is the ability to use it as a looper: Any one of its eight tracks can be assigned a "Pickup machine," which allows real-time recording, playback, and overdubbing. When you've recorded a loop for the first time on a pickup machine, you can make that loop the tempo master, which means that all of the other tracks will be time-stretched to play in sync with it. That lets you, for example, record a loop with a live instrument, then later bring in a drum track in perfect sync with what you just recorded. Details here: http://www.elektron.se/products/octatrack From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 21 20:33:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A754B183477; Mon, 21 May 2012 20:33:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20120521132940.tv24jlc8goc08cgw@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 13:29:40 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Octatrack 1.2 -- a new looper References: <008b01cd378d$8a14d570$9e3e8050$@acm.org> In-Reply-To: <008b01cd378d$8a14d570$9e3e8050$@acm.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.4) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 20:33:58 +0000 (UTC) Here's a video demoing that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtXyfHP7LW8 Quoting Andrew Koenig : > Elektron today announced version 1.2 of their Octatrack operating system. > Among its many new features is the ability to use it as a looper: Any one > of its eight tracks can be assigned a "Pickup machine," which allows > real-time recording, playback, and overdubbing. > > When you've recorded a loop for the first time on a pickup machine, you can > make that loop the tempo master, which means that all of the other tracks > will be time-stretched to play in sync with it. That lets you, for example, > record a loop with a live instrument, then later bring in a drum track in > perfect sync with what you just recorded. > > Details here: http://www.elektron.se/products/octatrack > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 21 20:58:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19F35183460; Mon, 21 May 2012 20:58:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mhpgn/XBaQ0dvUR0PfUB+FQq6aGfw5dN3+6Yefvh6S8=; b=L0I9i2UerNSKQPfNchRU4OpTel8df0bAgpqwFAyfoJQK4N7ROFw2VuCHTy+/UXL+sf 3MVDFpvfdYHoGBNl+495pRceO2WbDtFzozkfY9WBF7ptwsencmPf5fqAzJt+PToJzUnc zKBTadn/I3yDHizxaYcqVyzuiM22Sw2YrpqvQuzYR2Kr8hEFDsZGcjbQ6XDm8NJ34H5+ p4vHAQ69GPbowBxgzg+imM0+2Lr2lN9/zyMel1xbEEEXApTCabnLEy6PFAZxrm4zO4qD JMlydvXlix0pP+J+lQs4+xUOPJFbCJ0PgPoS0XXa8MO+3+hEeTAGUKJJKOXbbtXZKLWr drTQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120521132940.tv24jlc8goc08cgw@webmail.musetrap.com> References: <008b01cd378d$8a14d570$9e3e8050$@acm.org> <20120521132940.tv24jlc8goc08cgw@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 15:58:40 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Octatrack 1.2 -- a new looper From: Marcus Kirby To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 20:58:41 +0000 (UTC) Can you sync a pickup machine to a drum track? Or can you only go vice vers= a? There's no multiply function, right? The length is set for all tracks, and can't be adjusted per track? On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 1:29 PM, wrote: > Here's a video demoing that. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DBtXyfHP7LW8 > > > Quoting Andrew Koenig : > >> Elektron today announced version 1.2 of their Octatrack operating system= . >> Among its many new features is the ability to use it as a looper: =A0Any= one >> of its eight tracks can be assigned a "Pickup machine," which allows >> real-time recording, playback, and overdubbing. >> >> When you've recorded a loop for the first time on a pickup machine, you >> can >> make that loop the tempo master, which means that all of the other track= s >> will be time-stretched to play in sync with it. =A0That lets you, for >> example, >> record a loop with a live instrument, then later bring in a drum track i= n >> perfect sync with what you just recorded. >> >> Details here: http://www.elektron.se/products/octatrack >> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 21 21:00:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B658183463; Mon, 21 May 2012 21:00:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=OgtGg7n5oJcvBMJa6B3y2k+cD1ICiNlrvbbJ7dJW1Yk=; b=Ps/8jWFbWkHE9WcwHr3yhJOhhaaW6kYia+f6RJmSCRLHFY7JGmq6cSFCplsuDNlkd0 GmJ/EYghWmtkEwNQQMTL3AqAiRGtz5vZAY9i5M/V5yBwysK8rz+Om6fJDmJNDOB/TIbm ik9AmxqjBSF8bJ121Jn/picZLW6NZiwEMrGnFFJLCpLXfLMd+riCE/Y1C/4M5ol0q5dN YmSW/TCW6bP1hyWlsjEfj+aHnQPNuUTnR/8wo0tfACt0gMRkM5s1V9DPWFgNDfdnoFX0 tmFhXmH4NCGz+ReKARZuCW4yfIJmdTeGddi4/Kdqcp20nsnx9ODIB+jz9hCBX9D/Pkha LxFQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: danielhlevine@gmail.com Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 17:00:07 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: QkDvAH5mTe_Rc2L-H-Y0Sk8H69A Message-ID: Subject: PedalTrain for sale From: daniel To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151759286ed8446b04c0922fc9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 21:00:08 +0000 (UTC) --00151759286ed8446b04c0922fc9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey kin, I'm selling my PT-Pro with flight and soft cases: http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/msg/3029536221.html I down-sized to the PT-2 (and still was able to keep my RC-50 on it!!). Hope all's well Daniel 3dCosby.bandcamp.com --00151759286ed8446b04c0922fc9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey kin,

I'm selling my PT-Pro with flight and soft cases: http://boston.= craigslist.org/gbs/msg/3029536221.html=A0

I down-sized to the P= T-2 (and still was able to keep my RC-50 on it!!).

Hope all's well
Daniel


3dCosby.bandcamp.com
--00151759286ed8446b04c0922fc9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 21 21:12:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2EDE4183460; Mon, 21 May 2012 21:12:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_1e9d685d-8f35-427c-8948-0d4b586848a4_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Octatrack 1.2 -- a new looper Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 21:12:22 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <008b01cd378d$8a14d570$9e3e8050$@acm.org>,<20120521132940.tv24jlc8goc08cgw@webmail.musetrap.com>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 May 2012 21:12:22.0448 (UTC) FILETIME=[69DF5B00:01CD3796] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 21:12:23 +0000 (UTC) --_1e9d685d-8f35-427c-8948-0d4b586848a4_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is a multiply so that you can first record one bar or so on a track t= hen double or qaduble that. You can also set the slave tracks to be a multi= ply of the master track. You can sync to external source not sure how.. don= 't know if you can sync to sequencer.. As far as I undetstand you can creat= e an empty loop if desired lenght and have all other loops + sequencer look= ed to that.. OR you could use a ordinary "flex" machine for synchronized lo= oping.. I have been looping woth the octatrack with great sucess without th= e pickup machine..=20 > Date: Mon=2C 21 May 2012 15:58:40 -0500 > Subject: Re: Octatrack 1.2 -- a new looper > From: marcusloops@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > Can you sync a pickup machine to a drum track? Or can you only go vice ve= rsa? >=20 > There's no multiply function=2C right? The length is set for all tracks= =2C > and can't be adjusted per track? >=20 > On Mon=2C May 21=2C 2012 at 1:29 PM=2C wrote: > > Here's a video demoing that. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DBtXyfHP7LW8 > > > > > > Quoting Andrew Koenig : > > > >> Elektron today announced version 1.2 of their Octatrack operating syst= em. > >> Among its many new features is the ability to use it as a looper: Any= one > >> of its eight tracks can be assigned a "Pickup machine=2C" which allows > >> real-time recording=2C playback=2C and overdubbing. > >> > >> When you've recorded a loop for the first time on a pickup machine=2C = you > >> can > >> make that loop the tempo master=2C which means that all of the other t= racks > >> will be time-stretched to play in sync with it. That lets you=2C for > >> example=2C > >> record a loop with a live instrument=2C then later bring in a drum tra= ck in > >> perfect sync with what you just recorded. > >> > >> Details here: http://www.elektron.se/products/octatrack > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >=20 = --_1e9d685d-8f35-427c-8948-0d4b586848a4_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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= --_1e9d685d-8f35-427c-8948-0d4b586848a4_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 21 21:40:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E78ED183463; Mon, 21 May 2012 21:40:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <59548030-2641-4B71-9159-CFF23D54D10B@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-31-699470973 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Interesting controller Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 14:40:40 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 21:40:47 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-31-699470973 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Oh sure, I would never use it for the things depicted in the video, though after a few months my deltoids would be ripped! Bolt one of these on a guitar however." Bingo, I'm very interested in seeing where gestural control is heading, and it seems like a no brainer for things like CC control of effects, the ability to wave ones hand and have the sound change subtly or dramatically, could definitely have possibilities. I've already integrated a wifi to midi controller via my I phone and even though it means I have to free a hand to use it, its great for setting up my looper in advance or triggering functions that I can free up a hand for. Plus its kind of cool to be able to end a set by leaving the stage and be messing with the dubbing of your tracks while fading the tracks away, Now that i've been using it for a while I'm really attached to having it available. "You're right, tactile feedback would limit what you would do. I'm imagining it like a D-beam on steroids, useful for continuous control of effects, virtual faders, maybe loop triggers. They would have to be simple and "large" objects since you can't spend a lot of time thinking about where your hands go." of course, not exactly the best choice for first loop creation but it could provide some use for controlling effects parameters , controlling panning, Plus it's a new way we can look ridiculous. Exactly!!! imagine the scenario..... There I am on stage dodging flying panties and roses and the occasional bottle when I thrust my devil horns gesturing fist forward unleashing a fusillade of self oscillating delay feedback and searing distortion, the crowd screams, then I wave my hand from one side of the cavernous hall to the other panning the howling din as the crowd waves there hands in synchronistic unison, as the song comes to and orgiastic climax I spin my hand in a circle above my head sending the music spiraling around the room as the flash pots explode and Lady Gaga descends from the rafters on a a giant inflatable banana for our power ballad duet.!!!!! Bill --Apple-Mail-31-699470973 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Oh sure, I would = never use it for the things depicted in the video, though
after a few = months my deltoids would be ripped!  Bolt one of these on = a
guitar = however."
  
Bingo, I'm very = interested in seeing where gestural control is heading, and it seems = like a no brainer for things like CC control of effects, the ability to = wave ones hand and have the sound change subtly or dramatically, could = definitely have possibilities. I've already integrated a wifi to midi = controller via my I phone and even though it means I have to free a hand = to use it, its great for setting up my looper in advance or triggering = functions that I can free up a hand for. Plus its  kind of cool to = be able to end a set by leaving the stage and be messing with the = dubbing of your tracks while fading the tracks away, Now that i've been = using it for a while I'm really attached to having it = available.

"You're right, tactile feedback would limit what you = would do.  I'm
imagining it like a D-beam on steroids, useful = for continuous control of
effects, virtual faders, maybe loop = triggers.  They would have to be
simple and "large" objects = since you can't spend a lot of time = thinking
about where your = hands go."

of course, = not exactly the best choice for first loop creation but it could provide = some use for controlling  effects parameters , controlling = panning, 

Plus it's a new way we can look = ridiculous.
Exactly!!! imagine the scenario..... There I = am on stage dodging flying panties and roses and the occasional bottle = when I thrust my devil horns gesturing fist forward unleashing a = fusillade of self oscillating delay feedback and searing distortion, the = crowd screams, then I wave my hand from one side of the cavernous hall = to the other panning the howling din  as the crowd waves there = hands in synchronistic unison, as the  song comes to and orgiastic = climax I spin my hand in a circle above my head sending the music = spiraling around the room as the flash pots explode and Lady Gaga = descends  from the rafters on a a giant inflatable banana  for = our power ballad duet.!!!!!

= --Apple-Mail-31-699470973-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 21 21:44:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C5EB183461; Mon, 21 May 2012 21:44:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=sIvtWgfxGu26Md/Cwnd4eQk56LpLzIyPuJ4L5WPL/mA=; b=X0mGWd3P3eS3f1r4tyyxnwKbTe6oQws1z5crDI4Smz30G9JMhE/OyxGMvUbPIi9zyn s0wns1CsJPjakjmSYOWuj+IDfbDqiz28F3KCX7djxWkCTjYbIo+2InLgM1AsVV//Oxbe MQK/I3tqzWWWPKz6W0UtPPFVyhSqlZ6Y0HvruEbW+r2NsAmkV4l67fafwy9He9lrRzVz dGvdEU6++eJcvam8RO3iSRcIJ9p82mVaWM+jZYgmlU8xbTcN2gacps0LpMMZ+tZ5Hk/b 5p32ScIc3PQXW7/+FZL6MgbTtekI6U7Kr7wI9qDfc+xouWq+qyDRHH7esyRMLQe1t55S vJhg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <59548030-2641-4B71-9159-CFF23D54D10B@baymoon.com> References: <59548030-2641-4B71-9159-CFF23D54D10B@baymoon.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 14:44:47 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Interesting controller From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 21:44:48 +0000 (UTC) > Exactly!!! imagine the scenario..... There I am on stage dodging flying > panties and roses and the occasional bottle when I thrust my devil horns > gesturing fist forward unleashing a fusillade of self oscillating delay > feedback and searing distortion, the crowd screams, then I wave my hand f= rom > one side of the cavernous hall to the other panning the howling din =A0as= the > crowd waves there hands in synchronistic unison, as the =A0song comes to = and > orgiastic climax I spin my hand in a circle above my head sending the mus= ic > spiraling around the room as the flash pots explode and Lady Gaga descend= s > =A0from the rafters on a a giant inflatable banana =A0for our power balla= d > duet.!!!!! When does this scenario get ridiculous? Kevin --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 21 22:01:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35749183460; Mon, 21 May 2012 22:01:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 879 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 21 May 2012 22:01:30 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=XWvzCvtsbHDbcKEU2ey7Qpw0cD/lNgpVz/NGcrSb41MOA7IEDpF580r1hBlcmk6K; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <4560076.1337636811005.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 14:46:50 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Interesting controller Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48de6076fb3854694867175508dbd1c40e8498dd5c8d2f0fb0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.38 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 22:01:31 +0000 (UTC)
=
Exactly!!! imagine t= he scenario..... There I am on stage dodging flying panties and roses and t= he occasional bottle when I thrust my devil horns gesturing fist forward un= leashing a fusillade of self oscillating delay feedback and searing distort= ion, the crowd screams, then I wave my hand from one side of the cavernous = hall to the other panning the howling din  as the crowd waves there ha= nds in synchronistic unison, as the  song comes to and orgiastic clima= x I spin my hand in a circle above my head sending the music spiraling arou= nd the room as the flash pots explode and Lady Gaga descends  from the= rafters on a a giant inflatable banana  for our power ballad duet.!!!= !!
 Bill



<= /div>
DAMN! = Bill the sixties were good for  you! :-)

=
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 21 23:12:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A8B3183454; Mon, 21 May 2012 23:12:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3681 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 21 May 2012 23:12:29 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-701289258 Message-Id: From: Revfever Subject: Re: Interesting controller Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 15:10:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 23:12:30 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-701289258 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Note: We are estimating that these units will ship in December (2012) or January (2013). https://live.leapmotion.com/pre-order-the-leap/ Looks like even if ye pre-order now, ye might not receive it until the end of 2012 or very early 2013. Err...are we all supposed to be dead by then? "2012" !!! Eeeeeee!!! (haha) :-) Cheers- Rev.Fever Portlandia The Angry Red Planet http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult --Apple-Mail-2-701289258 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
Note:

We are estimating that = these units will ship in December (2012) or January = (2013). 


Looks like = even if ye pre-order now, ye might not receive it until the end of 2012 = or very early 2013.

Err...are we all supposed = to be dead by then? "2012" !!!    Eeeeeee!!!   =  (haha) :-)

Cheers-
Rev.Fever
The Angry Red Planet


=A0(haha) :-) Nah, they found another Mayan calendar that goes beyond 2012. Seriously http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/mayan-prophecy-the-wo= rld-wont-end-as-a-newfound-calendar-goes-on-and-on-and-on/2012/05/10/gIQA03= s3FU_story.html Kevin-- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 03:23:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9388718345E; Tue, 22 May 2012 03:23:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=tfSKtLuZw6cRyD+U1TydmzlNbEr9pYM5OtNLwz382FE=; b=rHh3876Q+1ccwaUJq3bRTJ0IGl/QBPgwX51uUa2Ejihk/dWjbrnqlWROwEZcMH0+ei mnhExPz7bFayjzsuSiePUzTS6+Ciigh45Fgf6/TKACcx5XfNdQWRguaaZWNjtC7GIHZt QVOREuytBCi4UGQP9q9Ro+RXlYCN3NKkIm9KuOMqxI6qJbWMAtLSbLo5md6nCz37dEVE e7Rtk0+9pDcR6bTlyEzm+jZgfgDeO+q+xumppipUVLjaUQsHs4mUzkNIcGAY818S2kZm 1BjVdpQNXTkBUPR6Ars8Kk4DqB4sAWQ2Cm57072zvA7cui1++3551mVZUeJb3pU1RXEp 9YTQ== From: Philip Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_04709E44-33AB-410D-AA84-80F802833F7A" Subject: Re: Octatrack 1.2 -- a new looper Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 12:23:52 +0900 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <008b01cd378d$8a14d570$9e3e8050$@acm.org>,<20120521132940.tv24jlc8goc08cgw@webmail.musetrap.com>, Message-Id: <8C1FEE50-F7AF-4179-A43A-478407E157B8@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 03:23:58 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_04709E44-33AB-410D-AA84-80F802833F7A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Love the features, but the setup seems pretty complicated and = time-consuming. What is the max memory? On May 22, 2012, at 6:12 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: > There is a multiply so that you can first record one bar or so on a = track then double or qaduble that. You can also set the slave tracks to = be a multiply of the master track. You can sync to external source not = sure how.. don't know if you can sync to sequencer.. As far as I = undetstand you can create an empty loop if desired lenght and have all = other loops + sequencer looked to that.. OR you could use a ordinary = "flex" machine for synchronized looping.. I have been looping woth the = octatrack with great sucess without the pickup machine..=20 >=20 > > Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 15:58:40 -0500 > > Subject: Re: Octatrack 1.2 -- a new looper > > From: marcusloops@gmail.com > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >=20 > > Can you sync a pickup machine to a drum track? Or can you only go = vice versa? > >=20 > > There's no multiply function, right? The length is set for all = tracks, > > and can't be adjusted per track? > >=20 > > On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 1:29 PM, wrote: > > > Here's a video demoing that. > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DBtXyfHP7LW8 > > > > > > > > > Quoting Andrew Koenig : > > > > > >> Elektron today announced version 1.2 of their Octatrack operating = system. > > >> Among its many new features is the ability to use it as a looper: = Any one > > >> of its eight tracks can be assigned a "Pickup machine," which = allows > > >> real-time recording, playback, and overdubbing. > > >> > > >> When you've recorded a loop for the first time on a pickup = machine, you > > >> can > > >> make that loop the tempo master, which means that all of the = other tracks > > >> will be time-stretched to play in sync with it. That lets you, = for > > >> example, > > >> record a loop with a live instrument, then later bring in a drum = track in > > >> perfect sync with what you just recorded. > > >> > > >> Details here: http://www.elektron.se/products/octatrack > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > --Apple-Mail=_04709E44-33AB-410D-AA84-80F802833F7A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Love the features, but the setup seems pretty = complicated and time-consuming.

What is the max = memory?




On May 22, 2012, at 6:12 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote:

There is a multiply so that you can first record one = bar or so on a track then double or qaduble that. You can also set the = slave tracks to be a multiply of the master track. You can sync to = external source not sure how.. don't know if you can sync to sequencer.. = As far as I undetstand you can create an empty loop if desired lenght = and have all other loops + sequencer looked to that.. OR you could use a = ordinary "flex" machine for synchronized looping.. I have been looping = woth the octatrack with great sucess without the pickup = machine.. 

> = Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 15:58:40 -0500
> Subject: Re: Octatrack 1.2 = -- a new looper
> From: marcusloops@gmail.com
> = To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
> 
> Can you sync a = pickup machine to a drum track? Or can you only go vice = versa?
> 
> = There's no multiply function, right? The length is set for all = tracks,
> and can't be adjusted per track?
> 
> On Mon, May 21, = 2012 at 1:29 PM, <cpr@musetrap.com> wrote:
> = > Here's a video demoing that.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.c= om/watch?v=3DBtXyfHP7LW8
> >
> >
> > = Quoting Andrew Koenig <ark@acm.org>:
> >
> = >> Elektron today announced version 1.2 of their Octatrack = operating system.
> >> Among its many new features is the = ability to use it as a looper:  Any one
> >> of its = eight tracks can be assigned a "Pickup machine," which allows
> = >> real-time recording, playback, and overdubbing.
> = >>
> >> When you've recorded a loop for the first time = on a pickup machine, you
> >> can
> >> make that = loop the tempo master, which means that all of the other tracks
> = >> will be time-stretched to play in sync with it.  That lets = you, for
> >> example,
> >> record a loop with a = live instrument, then later bring in a drum track in
> >> = perfect sync with what you just recorded.
> >>
> = >> Details here: http://www.elektron.se/= products/octatrack
> >>
> >>
> = >>
> >>
> = >
>

<= /html>= --Apple-Mail=_04709E44-33AB-410D-AA84-80F802833F7A-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 04:03:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DD3B18345E; Tue, 22 May 2012 04:03:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=OvWDjfPVwhnwX9LWalGSm8jdhfJ1HwtXuYxWLSPMxao=; b=C9s2DmepKi9/altS6owKld0wESxEFWkhPUm645X5ZCrHn/URY2aYstlT81FqTN+nWN BjBEHlX/eB3CGfElnCqC+UVUC1ARP+4mNkHpDgykgf78vw/4Q8SLotFTtLiF9cS22MB9 JULA1OahI/ENoa1PB0jUu3kYv68si/mEgIruup7Tpdd2M8VsSAF2kgvqtSMj0vNJlyXd RCjnqNsjRPPWBmMP4AKTOgxfTaoxGJi1g6MOC7qLZFBxD+k41OilZnGHmz2DdTxzFgB0 BEPdmznjd6y3srJ7mVd5KHCB8gNikfTfwep4oCQeiUrrgh/ck3ZSWlJJvpRIB4ReVD48 hhqg== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Subject: Re: Interesting controller From: Matthias Grob In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 01:03:22 -0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Resent-Message-ID: <1F2Ek.A.n-H.PAxuPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 04:03:27 +0000 (UTC) Yes, I want one, too! you are not the Kevin that plays thermin, right? it sounds like :-) who would complain that the theremin has no tactile response, we got = used to it (in nearly 100 years) and I love to watch its elegance=85 = when Kevin plays it, at least! there also have been softares to turn cameras into controllers and other = such tools like Lightning=85 one could even state that those made little success and such prove that = this technology goes the wrong direction. but I think those things just = need time to find their use and with it, their kind of feedback On 21 May 2012, at 4:21 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > I think that focusing on what it does NOT have is limiting the > potential for creating new ways of behaving with technology. Tactile > sense is very important to some things, but I think this is getting > exciting in that it encourages us to think of ways to use gestures to > do things we may not have thought of yet. >=20 > I'm thinking in terms of interactive spaces myself and the ways to use > physical movement to create alternate forms of interaction with our > space and each other. Imagine if you could connect something like > this to a mobile device. >=20 > Free developer kits too so I expect very cool things from this kind of > technology soon. >=20 > Kevin >=20 > On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Jeff Larson = wrote: >> Oh sure, I would never use it for the things depicted in the video, = though >> after a few months my deltoids would be ripped! Bolt one of these on = a >> guitar however=8A >>=20 >> You're right, tactile feedback would limit what you would do. I'm >> imagining it like a D-beam on steroids, useful for continuous control = of >> effects, virtual faders, maybe loop triggers. They would have to be >> simple and "large" objects since you can't spend a lot of time = thinking >> about where your hands go. >>=20 >> Plus it's a new way we can look ridiculous. >>=20 >> On 5/21/12 1:22 PM, "Simeon Harris" = wrote: >>=20 >>> hell no. can you imagine how tired your arms would get? >>>=20 >>> and where's the tactile feedback? >>>=20 >>> all these new interfaces - wavy hand things and touch screens - = offer >>> no feedback whatsoever! >>>=20 >>> the human hand is an incredible device, able to manipulate objects >>> with an amazing variety of weights, densities and sizes and it's >>> covered in sensors....temperature, texture, mass, stickyness etc >>> etc...and yet none of these interfaces take advantage of that. = imagine >>> controlling something with an object like a spongy ball, that was = able >>> to change it's surface texture and temperature to give you feedback >>> about the virtual objects or software that you were literally >>> "manipulating" with your hand. >>>=20 >>> that's where the future is. >>>=20 >>> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Jeff Larson = >>> wrote: >>>> WANT! >>>>=20 >>>> http://www.leapmotion.com/ >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Only $70 but of course it's all about the software support. = Hmm... >>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have = a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all = trouble. >=20 > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) >=20 > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 04:11:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA71B18345C; Tue, 22 May 2012 04:11:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Interesting controller Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 23:11:34 -0500 Message-ID: <00e201cd37d0$f9dc44e0$ed94cea0$@michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQDh7opNEqinPRF/So8L6fx/hui5BAH1NJ4BAiVMHQSYiu+/0A== Content-Language: en-us x-vipre-scanned: B126AAD2002EACB126AC1F X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: <6EkTWC.A.5M.5HxuPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 04:11:37 +0000 (UTC) I just preordered one. I'm not worried about the tactile side of = things. Every tool has its pros and cons. This thing has serious 'fun' = potential; and if something is fun, coolness and utility follows. Mike www.michaelplishka.com www.scribbledmusings.com www.zenstorming.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 05:38:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6803118345D; Tue, 22 May 2012 05:38:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.234.85;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:SN2PRD0410HT004.namprd04.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI X-BigFish: PS-1(zz9371Izz1202hzz8275bhz2fh2a8h668h839h944hd25hf0ah) Received-SPF: pass (mail88-va3: domain of sailpoint.com designates 157.56.234.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.234.85; envelope-from=jeff.larson@sailpoint.com; helo=SN2PRD0410HT004.namprd04.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: Interesting controller Thread-Topic: Interesting controller Thread-Index: AQHNN3t26spCXV/N1EmExL41v843KZbUjomA//+vnACAAGDKgIAAlAwAgAANbLA= Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 05:38:39 +0000 Message-ID: <3083677841D53B448CB0AD1AE93B19A719357451@SN2PRD0410MB360.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: ,<00e201cd37d0$f9dc44e0$ed94cea0$@michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: <00e201cd37d0$f9dc44e0$ed94cea0$@michaelplishka.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [70.113.124.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sailpoint.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 05:38:43 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, I'm on the developer kit list. The more I think about this, the more= I want one. Tactile feedback is necessary for some things, but you also h= ave audio and visual feedback. Imagine a 4x4 set of "pads" floating above = the surface of your guitar. Move your finger into one a small amount and i= t triggers a sample with low MIDI velocity. Thrust into it farther or with= more acceleration and it triggers with high velocity. The feedback is ho= w it sounds, like a theremin. If you don't play guitar, put one or more on= mic stands near you.=0A= =0A= Then you can add visual feedback, like a large visible color on a computer = monitor that changes as you move into certain zones, then you thrust your h= and, headstock, bow, trombone, or tentacle deeper to activate it. =0A= =0A= Realistically, I've been around technology long enough to know that what yo= u see in marketing videos rarely matches reality. There is a megaton of of= software required to convert the raw data you will get from this device in= to the 3-d hands you see in the video. Not all of this is necessarily reus= able for audio applications. Hopefully, they've designed a high level "AP= I" that makes these things easier, but given the lack of non-video examples= on their web site, I suspect they're hoping outside developers will do it = for them. Either way, I'm interested, but I won't be expecting miracles f= or several years.=0A= =0A= Jeff=0A= =0A= _______________________________________=0A= From: mike@michaelplishka.com [mike@michaelplishka.com]=0A= Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 11:11 PM=0A= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A= Subject: RE: Interesting controller=0A= =0A= I just preordered one. I'm not worried about the tactile side of things. = Every tool has its pros and cons. This thing has serious 'fun' potential; = and if something is fun, coolness and utility follows= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 06:59:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21805183460; Tue, 22 May 2012 06:59:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=AEn/CboXEx7cqx+QGsZJpQRMUSDENKcoIv7ykPTgq+o=; b=LAcPnyismXYyC6KVNkdKWGLza6eoV4jr8v3kvhLCVzc8C7N1yuZMOObPqvSUsrQ3XQ Z9oMkusLDDeUcM0LtoshsykoCubUEo/8bKTRi74CxrRi2TFw9CPoJzE9FTexqpJQ5wiC gsxsx3ptRLDcLOFggQc0pwtHmyVpVPb4axlFQJBXHdetpeaxjTK/uwfD5lmPvqMFJQY4 XuZn6r2W3bQI3wZCkocN+WeO62xupHlEfcKSoR2gO+pLLgB3HpeM++7jnE9peRTL7sKP 0e3/thrBnQhsksIopyomXvgqTLMBuAGssLJ1FjgK9Xcnh5kx+/5MtKpOtWUWXryuCeQW nbGQ== Subject: Re: Octatrack 1.2 -- a new looper References: <008b01cd378d$8a14d570$9e3e8050$@acm.org> <20120521132940.tv24jlc8goc08cgw@webmail.musetrap.com> <8C1FEE50-F7AF-4179-A43A-478407E157B8@gmail.com> From: Travis Hart Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-B057A7AE-AC94-4139-9FC1-3405257F9658 X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B176) In-Reply-To: <8C1FEE50-F7AF-4179-A43A-478407E157B8@gmail.com> Message-Id: <0755A564-7A68-412A-B4F5-78D1E11E68EC@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 02:59:19 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 06:59:24 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-B057A7AE-AC94-4139-9FC1-3405257F9658 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii There is no maximum memory for the Elektron Octatrack. It works off the capa= city of whatever compact-flash card you are using. Personally, I found the Octatrack to be an excellent addition to my sound sy= nthesis arsenal; albeit the only digital part of my workflow. This was, of c= ourse, prior to the OS update which introduces what I've long yearned for: p= ickup machines. I can't wait to get back to my house up north to update my Octatrack and giv= e the new OS a go-around. I can only see it making the Octatrack a part of n= ot only my after-thought workflow, but my recording workflow as well.=20 This may potentially be the very thing that makes the Octatrack irreplacable= by anything available on the market (as a single unit). I can't wait to fin= d out. Sent from my iPad On May 21, 2012, at 11:23 PM, Philip wrote: > Love the features, but the setup seems pretty complicated and time-consumi= ng. >=20 > What is the max memory? >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On May 22, 2012, at 6:12 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: >=20 >> There is a multiply so that you can first record one bar or so on a track= then double or qaduble that. You can also set the slave tracks to be a mult= iply of the master track. You can sync to external source not sure how.. don= 't know if you can sync to sequencer.. As far as I undetstand you can create= an empty loop if desired lenght and have all other loops + sequencer looked= to that.. OR you could use a ordinary "flex" machine for synchronized loopi= ng.. I have been looping woth the octatrack with great sucess without the pi= ckup machine..=20 >>=20 >> > Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 15:58:40 -0500 >> > Subject: Re: Octatrack 1.2 -- a new looper >> > From: marcusloops@gmail.com >> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >=20 >> > Can you sync a pickup machine to a drum track? Or can you only go vice v= ersa? >> >=20 >> > There's no multiply function, right? The length is set for all tracks, >> > and can't be adjusted per track? >> >=20 >> > On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 1:29 PM, wrote: >> > > Here's a video demoing that. >> > > >> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DBtXyfHP7LW8 >> > > >> > > >> > > Quoting Andrew Koenig : >> > > >> > >> Elektron today announced version 1.2 of their Octatrack operating sy= stem. >> > >> Among its many new features is the ability to use it as a looper: A= ny one >> > >> of its eight tracks can be assigned a "Pickup machine," which allows= >> > >> real-time recording, playback, and overdubbing. >> > >> >> > >> When you've recorded a loop for the first time on a pickup machine, y= ou >> > >> can >> > >> make that loop the tempo master, which means that all of the other t= racks >> > >> will be time-stretched to play in sync with it. That lets you, for >> > >> example, >> > >> record a loop with a live instrument, then later bring in a drum tra= ck in >> > >> perfect sync with what you just recorded. >> > >> >> > >> Details here: http://www.elektron.se/products/octatrack >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> > >=20 --Apple-Mail-B057A7AE-AC94-4139-9FC1-3405257F9658 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
There is no maximum memory= for the Elektron Octatrack. It works off the capacity of whatever compact-f= lash card you are using.

Personally, I found the Oc= tatrack to be an excellent addition to my sound synthesis arsenal; albeit th= e only digital part of my workflow. This was, of course, prior to the OS upd= ate which introduces what I've long yearned for: pickup machines.
=
I can't wait to get back to my house up north to update my Oc= tatrack and give the new OS a go-around. I can only see it making the Octatr= ack a part of not only my after-thought workflow, but my recording workflow a= s well. 

This may potentially be the very thin= g that makes the Octatrack irreplacable by anything available on the market (= as a single unit). I can't wait to find out.

Sent from my iPad=

On May 21, 2012, at 11:23 PM, Philip <philip.ojc@gmail.com> wrote:

Love the featu= res, but the setup seems pretty complicated and time-consuming.

What is the max memory?



<= /div>

On May 22, 2012, at 6:12 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote:<= /div>
There is a multiply so that you can first record one bar or so o= n a track then double or qaduble that. You can also set the slave tracks to b= e a multiply of the master track. You can sync to external source not sure h= ow.. don't know if you can sync to sequencer.. As far as I undetstand you ca= n create an empty loop if desired lenght and have all other loops + sequence= r looked to that.. OR you could use a ordinary "flex" machine for synchroniz= ed looping.. I have been looping woth the octatrack with great sucess withou= t the pickup machine.. 

> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 15:58:40 -0500
> Subject: Re: Octatrack= 1.2 -- a new looper
> From:&nbs= p;marcusloops@gmail.com<= br>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=
> 
> Can y= ou sync a pickup machine to a drum track? Or can you only go vice versa?
= > 
> There's no m= ultiply function, right? The length is set for all tracks,
> and can't= be adjusted per track?
> <= /span>
> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 1:29 PM, <cpr@musetrap.com> wrote:
> > Here's a video demo= ing that.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DBtXyfHP7LW8
> &g= t;
> >
> > Quoting Andrew Koenig <ark@acm.org>:
> >
> >> Elektron today a= nnounced version 1.2 of their Octatrack operating system.
> >> A= mong its many new features is the ability to use it as a looper:  Any o= ne
> >> of its eight tracks can be assigned a "Pickup machine," w= hich allows
> >> real-time recording, playback, and overdubbing.=
> >>
> >> When you've recorded a loop for the first= time on a pickup machine, you
> >> can
> >> make th= at loop the tempo master, which means that all of the other tracks
> &= gt;> will be time-stretched to play in sync with it.  That lets you,= for
> >> example,
> >> record a loop with a live in= strument, then later bring in a drum track in
> >> perfect sync w= ith what you just recorded.
> >>
> >> Details here: <= a href=3D"http://www.elektron.se/products/octatrack">http://www.elektron.se/= products/octatrack
> >>
> >>
> >>> >>
> >
>

= --Apple-Mail-B057A7AE-AC94-4139-9FC1-3405257F9658-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 07:18:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75B9F183462; Tue, 22 May 2012 07:18:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 772880675/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.17.100/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.17.100 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBANU8u09YbRFk/2dsb2JhbAANN7c2AQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBiBWvc45CjSODHgOaV40e X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,637,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="772880675" Message-ID: <4FBB3DDD.5030806@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 08:18:53 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Octatrack 1.2 -- a new looper References: <008b01cd378d$8a14d570$9e3e8050$@acm.org> <20120521132940.tv24jlc8goc08cgw@webmail.musetrap.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_ZU4IB.A.E6B.f3zuPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 07:18:55 +0000 (UTC) Marcus Kirby wrote: > Can you sync a pickup machine to a drum track? Or can you only go vice versa? from the demo, even syncing drum track to pickup machine is *not* working http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtXyfHP7LW8 Same loop length, unrelated start point. ....but they'll fix that. The question I'd want to ask is "Can you take the audio from a pickup track and use it in the other engines?" andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 07:51:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF42718345E; Tue, 22 May 2012 07:51:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: Subject: OT A Virtual interface for Retail Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 02:51:03 -0500 Message-ID: <011c01cd37ef$a3ab8210$eb028630$@michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac0376IPOfWlEms2TxK8Qo9+xgeEpw== Content-Language: en-us x-vipre-scanned: B1F09F42002EACB1F0A08F X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 07:51:07 +0000 (UTC) Just became aware of this today. A virtual mirror to try on clothes via a webcam. Cool but not ready for prime time in my opinion. http://www.vitail.com.au/ Would love to hear your experiences if you try it!! Mike www.michaelplishka.com www.scribbledmusings.com www.zenstorming.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 08:32:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1645D183460; Tue, 22 May 2012 08:32:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 427 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 22 May 2012 08:32:23 UTC Subject: fast video guy? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Ed Durbrow X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <40777B66-ADAA-437B-A011-68D4ECEABB26@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 17:25:13 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <164EA835-BB86-4938-8803-04378C331915@sea.plala.or.jp> References: <3BDA292E4A0D4D1795461155385BC633@americas.hpqcorp.net> <40777B66-ADAA-437B-A011-68D4ECEABB26@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-VirusScan: Outbound; msa02b; Tue, 22 May 2012 17:25:14 +0900 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 08:32:24 +0000 (UTC) Somebody here made a video with lots of images flashing by very quickly. = Does anyone remember who and can possibly put me in touch with the = person? TIA= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 08:41:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 092B9183466; Tue, 22 May 2012 08:41:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_a18750ec-c3e2-423f-a611-c5de3f4bfecd_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Octatrack 1.2 -- a new looper Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 08:41:39 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4FBB3DDD.5030806@tiscali.co.uk> References: <008b01cd378d$8a14d570$9e3e8050$@acm.org> <20120521132940.tv24jlc8goc08cgw@webmail.musetrap.com> ,<4FBB3DDD.5030806@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 May 2012 08:41:39.0763 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4C0D030:01CD37F6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 08:41:40 +0000 (UTC) --_a18750ec-c3e2-423f-a611-c5de3f4bfecd_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=20 > Marcus Kirby wrote: > > Can you sync a pickup machine to a drum track? Or can you only go vice = versa? >=20 > from the demo=2C even syncing drum track to pickup machine is *not* worki= ng >=20 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DBtXyfHP7LW8=20 >=20 > Same loop length=2C unrelated start point. >=20 > ....but they'll fix that. I think that was a BETA bug that is fixed (or it can be down to how he play= es the guitar loop...) >=20 > The question I'd want to ask is=20 > "Can you take the audio from a pickup track and use it in the other engin= es?" I don't think you can save directly from a pickup machine (have to check th= at) but you can can re-sample to a flex for sure..=20 Anders = --_a18750ec-c3e2-423f-a611-c5de3f4bfecd_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

>=3B
>=3B Marcus Kirby wrote:
>=3B >=3B Can you syn= c a pickup machine to a drum track? Or can you only go vice versa?
>= =3B
>=3B from the demo=2C even syncing drum track to pickup machine i= s *not* working
>=3B
>=3B http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DBtXyf= HP7LW8
>=3B
>=3B Same loop length=2C unrelated start point.
= >=3B
>=3B ....but they'll fix that.

I thin= k that was a BETA bug that is fixed (or it can be down to how he playes the= guitar loop...)
>=3B
>=3B The question I'd want to ask is
&= gt=3B "Can you take the audio from a pickup track and use it in the other e= ngines?"

I don't think you can save directly from = a pickup machine (have to check that) but you can can re-sample to a flex f= or sure.. =3B

Anders
= --_a18750ec-c3e2-423f-a611-c5de3f4bfecd_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 09:46:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7811D183462; Tue, 22 May 2012 09:46:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=7OKzWKhPdj65vUHrWYDFX/sVukXHVG3pPtfUw13bPAA=; b=vKZjyekuxWKEgwFHjcMxzVHCx88fV5CVwcC/+WX8T394jeB3LmSy6q55oyKoZZoHOx pR4kk1AZfxckqAf18p2pY6CiA9AB46OSqM7iupLBDVzuflBbfDPcGWauMhuFcBwmNaZi IIQ5d9ClxEB9jVAToL7PLPKZf7/4dfZBvwhoFr+BHlQ923mQVUYwT2tP/Wk3+RV3Vsml 8k0lwrlyamxsB0mZPPb1GiaYurYuMS3PUpRORKP4cn5HygcWckY8xlnzaWboNyUpbL6Z UR+f5fuDA9LKyE3HnRRAXw4Q5jsLcj/yb76ANErHfoQuEu+YY0ziZCJYp9+SJ9mF/0a/ TsBA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <164EA835-BB86-4938-8803-04378C331915@sea.plala.or.jp> References: <3BDA292E4A0D4D1795461155385BC633@americas.hpqcorp.net> <40777B66-ADAA-437B-A011-68D4ECEABB26@gmail.com> <164EA835-BB86-4938-8803-04378C331915@sea.plala.or.jp> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 05:46:22 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: fast video guy? From: Sylvain Poitras To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f6471b12e8d9904c09ce449 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:46:23 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f6471b12e8d9904c09ce449 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Is this the one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-9oQLIaoM4&feature=youtube_gdata_player On Tuesday, May 22, 2012, Ed Durbrow wrote: > Somebody here made a video with lots of images flashing by very quickly. > Does anyone remember who and can possibly put me in touch with the person? > TIA > --e89a8f6471b12e8d9904c09ce449 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is this the one?

= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dx-9oQLIaoM4&feature= =3Dyoutube_gdata_player

On Tuesday, May 22, 2012, Ed Durbrow wrote:
Somebody here made a video with lots of images flashing by very qui= ckly. Does anyone remember who and can possibly put me in touch with the pe= rson?
TIA
--e89a8f6471b12e8d9904c09ce449-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 09:55:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C409183464; Tue, 22 May 2012 09:55:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=rZIZfB3IBarW5H0X633qsOayC9ZnwcnH2jD2tOEZg+w=; b=uadqHei9js5BI1MsLZ2watHfMrlfUAl8sa8tiq8uxZS9IDlQBSdXKcdfqkp4GeLYaZ 3oEaFzjarJHsPMJS+y3hMe171fscaxmFqialMH75Jh3QKI6RLEunpJ20i+45kQ+Jbz9R nw7569mnn5F/n4Fw1BUDRqnmdqz6B2QtxCmq/Bi111whc7+aTXv+OhQYfEqOoBzi5/CF zUIgqY9RF0LdJrdifxA+qqNm41PY24laMVuGeTrThflA1ZwOlkk9xHdD/j2Ax3Wun3sY WCg1uNvbNKjSQ3vZk6XNTS741QvK+cLvPYLqX6rjlYeyZNCmff8VP935cRbNI6RTaPS7 ry9g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 11:55:23 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Two new looping videos uploaded - Stick vs Fretless Harp Guitar From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:55:24 +0000 (UTC) In case someone's interested, I lately uploaded two videos where I loop live. One with the Stick and another with the Tim Donahue signature Fretless Electric Harp Guitar. http://www.youtube.com/perboysen Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 14:05:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23308183465; Tue, 22 May 2012 14:05:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=psWcb5N98119OaOi9bjyg15qVElTHlpKZyP+LUQnThs= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:17 a=NQcjDSjudSDE1WXTOCIA:9 a=dZ9cCUQJ4aRMPgf9VK4A:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:117 Subject: Re: fast video guy? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ted Killian X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <164EA835-BB86-4938-8803-04378C331915@sea.plala.or.jp> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 07:05:54 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0E731275-C4EB-4F24-9736-C41BB940C11B@charter.net> References: <3BDA292E4A0D4D1795461155385BC633@americas.hpqcorp.net> <40777B66-ADAA-437B-A011-68D4ECEABB26@gmail.com> <164EA835-BB86-4938-8803-04378C331915@sea.plala.or.jp> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 14:05:55 +0000 (UTC) That was me. On May 22, 2012, at 1:25 AM, Ed Durbrow wrote: > Somebody here made a video with lots of images flashing by very = quickly. Does anyone remember who and can possibly put me in touch with = the person? > TIA From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 14:20:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0ED7183461; Tue, 22 May 2012 14:20:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Andrew Koenig" To: References: <008b01cd378d$8a14d570$9e3e8050$@acm.org> <20120521132940.tv24jlc8goc08cgw@webmail.musetrap.com> <8C1FEE50-F7AF-4179-A43A-478407E157B8@gmail.com> <0755A564-7A68-412A-B4F5-78D1E11E68EC@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <0755A564-7A68-412A-B4F5-78D1E11E68EC@gmail.com> Subject: RE: Octatrack 1.2 -- a new looper Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 10:20:47 -0400 Message-ID: <005801cd3826$1560a3a0$4021eae0$@acm.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0059_01CD3804.8E5174A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHwfk6Nl4wapezZ51m5rPUeVpqiUgIF7c59AP19LBYBuFRCGQD/gf5QAxJ7+ZqWSOACEA== Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: <-lzs2C.A.FgF.ED6uPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 14:20:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01CD3804.8E5174A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It is true that the Octatrack uses a CF card (up to 64GB) to store = samples. However, the Octatrack cannot record directly into its CF = card: All recording is done into the on-board memory. There is about 80 = megabytes of on-board memory, which translates to about 4.5 minutes at = 24-bit 48KHz or about 7.5 minutes at 16-bit 44KHz. You can arrange how = that memory is divided between the tracks. =20 Once you have recorded a loop, you can save it on the CF card. You can = also play it back (or any other sample) from the CF card without having = to bring it back into on-board memory. =20 From: Travis Hart [mailto:hartfx@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 2:59 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Octatrack 1.2 -- a new looper =20 There is no maximum memory for the Elektron Octatrack. It works off the = capacity of whatever compact-flash card you are using. =20 Personally, I found the Octatrack to be an excellent addition to my = sound synthesis arsenal; albeit the only digital part of my workflow. = This was, of course, prior to the OS update which introduces what I've = long yearned for: pickup machines. =20 I can't wait to get back to my house up north to update my Octatrack and = give the new OS a go-around. I can only see it making the Octatrack a = part of not only my after-thought workflow, but my recording workflow as = well.=20 =20 This may potentially be the very thing that makes the Octatrack = irreplacable by anything available on the market (as a single unit). I = can't wait to find out. Sent from my iPad On May 21, 2012, at 11:23 PM, Philip wrote: Love the features, but the setup seems pretty complicated and = time-consuming. =20 What is the max memory? =20 =20 =20 =20 On May 22, 2012, at 6:12 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: There is a multiply so that you can first record one bar or so on a = track then double or qaduble that. You can also set the slave tracks to = be a multiply of the master track. You can sync to external source not = sure how.. don't know if you can sync to sequencer.. As far as I = undetstand you can create an empty loop if desired lenght and have all = other loops + sequencer looked to that.. OR you could use a ordinary = "flex" machine for synchronized looping.. I have been looping woth the = octatrack with great sucess without the pickup machine..=20 > Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 15:58:40 -0500 > Subject: Re: Octatrack 1.2 -- a new looper > From: marcusloops@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > Can you sync a pickup machine to a drum track? Or can you only go vice = versa? >=20 > There's no multiply function, right? The length is set for all tracks, > and can't be adjusted per track? >=20 > On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 1:29 PM, wrote: > > Here's a video demoing that. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DBtXyfHP7LW8 > > > > > > Quoting Andrew Koenig : > > > >> Elektron today announced version 1.2 of their Octatrack operating = system. > >> Among its many new features is the ability to use it as a looper: = Any one > >> of its eight tracks can be assigned a "Pickup machine," which = allows > >> real-time recording, playback, and overdubbing. > >> > >> When you've recorded a loop for the first time on a pickup machine, = you > >> can > >> make that loop the tempo master, which means that all of the other = tracks > >> will be time-stretched to play in sync with it. That lets you, for > >> example, > >> record a loop with a live instrument, then later bring in a drum = track in > >> perfect sync with what you just recorded. > >> > >> Details here: http://www.elektron.se/products/octatrack > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01CD3804.8E5174A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It is true that the Octatrack uses a CF card (up to 64GB) to store = samples.=C2=A0 However, the Octatrack cannot record directly into its CF = card: All recording is done into the on-board memory.=C2=A0 There is = about 80 megabytes of on-board memory, which translates to about 4.5 = minutes at 24-bit 48KHz or about 7.5 minutes at 16-bit 44KHz.=C2=A0 You = can arrange how that memory is divided between the = tracks.

 

Once you have recorded a loop, you can save it on the CF card.=C2=A0 = You can also play it back (or any other sample) from the CF card without = having to bring it back into on-board memory.

 

From:= = Travis Hart [mailto:hartfx@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, = 2012 2:59 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Octatrack 1.2 = -- a new looper

 

There = is no maximum memory for the Elektron Octatrack. It works off the = capacity of whatever compact-flash card you are = using.

 

Personally, I found the Octatrack to be an excellent = addition to my sound synthesis arsenal; albeit the only digital part of = my workflow. This was, of course, prior to the OS update which = introduces what I've long yearned for: pickup = machines.

 

I = can't wait to get back to my house up north to update my Octatrack and = give the new OS a go-around. I can only see it making the Octatrack a = part of not only my after-thought workflow, but my recording workflow as = well. 

 

This may potentially be the very thing that makes the = Octatrack irreplacable by anything available on the market (as a single = unit). I can't wait to find out.


Sent from my iPad


On May 21, 2012, at = 11:23 PM, Philip <philip.ojc@gmail.com> = wrote:

Love the features, but the setup seems pretty = complicated and time-consuming.

 

What is the max memory?

 

 

 

 

On = May 22, 2012, at 6:12 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote:



There is a = multiply so that you can first record one bar or so on a track then = double or qaduble that. You can also set the slave tracks to be a = multiply of the master track. You can sync to external source not sure = how.. don't know if you can sync to sequencer.. As far as I undetstand = you can create an empty loop if desired lenght and have all other loops = + sequencer looked to that.. OR you could use a ordinary = "flex" machine for synchronized looping.. I have been looping = woth the octatrack with great sucess without the pickup = machine.. 

> Date: = Mon, 21 May 2012 15:58:40 -0500
> Subject: Re: Octatrack 1.2 -- a = new looper
> From: marcusloops@gmail.com
> = To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
> 
> Can you sync a = pickup machine to a drum track? Or can you only go vice = versa?
> 
> = There's no multiply function, right? The length is set for all = tracks,
> and can't be adjusted per track?
> 
> On Mon, May 21, 2012 = at 1:29 PM, <cpr@musetrap.com> wrote:
> = > Here's a video demoing that.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.= com/watch?v=3DBtXyfHP7LW8
> >
> >
> > = Quoting Andrew Koenig <ark@acm.org>:
> >
> = >> Elektron today announced version 1.2 of their Octatrack = operating system.
> >> Among its many new features is the = ability to use it as a looper:  Any one
> >> of its = eight tracks can be assigned a "Pickup machine," which = allows
> >> real-time recording, playback, and = overdubbing.
> >>
> >> When you've recorded a = loop for the first time on a pickup machine, you
> >> = can
> >> make that loop the tempo master, which means that = all of the other tracks
> >> will be time-stretched to play = in sync with it.  That lets you, for
> >> = example,
> >> record a loop with a live instrument, then = later bring in a drum track in
> >> perfect sync with what = you just recorded.
> >>
> >> Details here: http://www.elektron.se= /products/octatrack
> >>
> >>
> = >>
> >>
> = >
>

 

------=_NextPart_000_0059_01CD3804.8E5174A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 14:22:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4549C183464; Tue, 22 May 2012 14:22:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Andrew Koenig" To: References: <008b01cd378d$8a14d570$9e3e8050$@acm.org>,<20120521132940.tv24jlc8goc08cgw@webmail.musetrap.com>, <8C1FEE50-F7AF-4179-A43A-478407E157B8@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8C1FEE50-F7AF-4179-A43A-478407E157B8@gmail.com> Subject: RE: Octatrack 1.2 -- a new looper Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 10:22:28 -0400 Message-ID: <005d01cd3826$53f8cf20$fbea6d60$@acm.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005E_01CD3804.CCE72F20" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHwfk6Nl4wapezZ51m5rPUeVpqiUgIF7c59AP19LBYBuFRCGQD/gf5QlmF1irA= Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 14:22:36 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01CD3804.CCE72F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are a lot of choices during setup, so you have to decide how you want to use it. However, once you've set it up, you can save your configuration in a project, after which you just load the project and you're good to go. It is true that you can loop without the pickup machine, but the pickup machine gives you the ability to overdub, as well as the ability to sync the rest of the Octatrack to the length of the loop you just recorded. From: Philip [mailto:philip.ojc@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 11:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Octatrack 1.2 -- a new looper Love the features, but the setup seems pretty complicated and time-consuming. What is the max memory? On May 22, 2012, at 6:12 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: There is a multiply so that you can first record one bar or so on a track then double or qaduble that. You can also set the slave tracks to be a multiply of the master track. You can sync to external source not sure how.. don't know if you can sync to sequencer.. As far as I undetstand you can create an empty loop if desired lenght and have all other loops + sequencer looked to that.. OR you could use a ordinary "flex" machine for synchronized looping.. I have been looping woth the octatrack with great sucess without the pickup machine.. > Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 15:58:40 -0500 > Subject: Re: Octatrack 1.2 -- a new looper > From: marcusloops@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Can you sync a pickup machine to a drum track? Or can you only go vice versa? > > There's no multiply function, right? The length is set for all tracks, > and can't be adjusted per track? > > On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 1:29 PM, wrote: > > Here's a video demoing that. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtXyfHP7LW8 > > > > > > Quoting Andrew Koenig : > > > >> Elektron today announced version 1.2 of their Octatrack operating system. > >> Among its many new features is the ability to use it as a looper: Any one > >> of its eight tracks can be assigned a "Pickup machine," which allows > >> real-time recording, playback, and overdubbing. > >> > >> When you've recorded a loop for the first time on a pickup machine, you > >> can > >> make that loop the tempo master, which means that all of the other tracks > >> will be time-stretched to play in sync with it. That lets you, for > >> example, > >> record a loop with a live instrument, then later bring in a drum track in > >> perfect sync with what you just recorded. > >> > >> Details here: http://www.elektron.se/products/octatrack > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01CD3804.CCE72F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

There are a lot of choices during setup, so you have to decide how = you want to use it.  However, once you’ve set it up, you can = save your configuration in a project, after which you just load the = project and you’re good to go.

 

It is true that you can loop without the pickup machine, but the = pickup machine gives you the ability to overdub, as well as the ability = to sync the rest of the Octatrack to the length of the loop you just = recorded.

 

From:= = Philip [mailto:philip.ojc@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, May 21, = 2012 11:24 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Octatrack 1.2 = -- a new looper

 

Love the = features, but the setup seems pretty complicated and = time-consuming.

 

What is the max memory?

 

 

 

 

On = May 22, 2012, at 6:12 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote:



There is a = multiply so that you can first record one bar or so on a track then = double or qaduble that. You can also set the slave tracks to be a = multiply of the master track. You can sync to external source not sure = how.. don't know if you can sync to sequencer.. As far as I undetstand = you can create an empty loop if desired lenght and have all other loops = + sequencer looked to that.. OR you could use a ordinary = "flex" machine for synchronized looping.. I have been looping = woth the octatrack with great sucess without the pickup = machine.. 

> Date: = Mon, 21 May 2012 15:58:40 -0500
> Subject: Re: Octatrack 1.2 -- a = new looper
> From: marcusloops@gmail.com
> = To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
> 
> Can you sync a = pickup machine to a drum track? Or can you only go vice = versa?
> 
> = There's no multiply function, right? The length is set for all = tracks,
> and can't be adjusted per track?
> 
> On Mon, May 21, 2012 = at 1:29 PM, <cpr@musetrap.com> wrote:
> = > Here's a video demoing that.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.= com/watch?v=3DBtXyfHP7LW8
> >
> >
> > = Quoting Andrew Koenig <ark@acm.org>:
> >
> = >> Elektron today announced version 1.2 of their Octatrack = operating system.
> >> Among its many new features is the = ability to use it as a looper:  Any one
> >> of its = eight tracks can be assigned a "Pickup machine," which = allows
> >> real-time recording, playback, and = overdubbing.
> >>
> >> When you've recorded a = loop for the first time on a pickup machine, you
> >> = can
> >> make that loop the tempo master, which means that = all of the other tracks
> >> will be time-stretched to play = in sync with it.  That lets you, for
> >> = example,
> >> record a loop with a live instrument, then = later bring in a drum track in
> >> perfect sync with what = you just recorded.
> >>
> >> Details here: http://www.elektron.se= /products/octatrack
> >>
> >>
> = >>
> >>
> = >
>

 

------=_NextPart_000_005E_01CD3804.CCE72F20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 14:24:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A679183465; Tue, 22 May 2012 14:24:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Andrew Koenig" To: References: <008b01cd378d$8a14d570$9e3e8050$@acm.org> <20120521132940.tv24jlc8goc08cgw@webmail.musetrap.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Octatrack 1.2 -- a new looper Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 10:24:48 -0400 Message-ID: <006201cd3826$a4ee8460$eecb8d20$@acm.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHwfk6Nl4wapezZ51m5rPUeVpqiUgIF7c59AP19LBaWdzTUkA== Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 14:24:52 +0000 (UTC) > Can you sync a pickup machine to a drum track? Or can you only go vice > versa? You can set the length of a pickup machine's loop to be a particular number of beats. If you do that, it automatically loops based on the length you've set. So that would let you sync the pickup machine to a drum track. > There's no multiply function, right? The length is set for all tracks, and can't > be adjusted per track? There most definitely is a multiply function. Moreover, every track has its own length. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 14:50:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B64D3183455; Tue, 22 May 2012 14:50:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=awdCjRF6MLcfQpCyCI83jYJlv5t4owyB9vBYUNOsuBk=; b=BwXLBTKfhuUi7FPg7Vkd0j04cBRvNmvL7c3WKTkZiOmwqvaiwda1BlnSMxgtaGHG8q 04CwNxn2rOZ6zgyZU5RHaFKlfuMjvNPosC0QQq8oXlYrRisdMUGw/uLU8SWtWZDx92jz JKBoyu4tkhSrXNpikjjUiqXhj0+hRA4Yx8iQquDcWuyC9yPB2dv2GHa+xpgr5g+JqNBW UwEh4jBK9ehJARWYOBCJty8QfAvN3kw78F4Y2QIqTEygy4qDt0OTZEljf0QFvv8CZFx7 DblWHWEg1amE9lmVS0LNEx0djIWT1EXPndvitHxyYau4Tr9nehpvs+d6ol30J4psinco vKNg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0E731275-C4EB-4F24-9736-C41BB940C11B@charter.net> References: <3BDA292E4A0D4D1795461155385BC633@americas.hpqcorp.net> <40777B66-ADAA-437B-A011-68D4ECEABB26@gmail.com> <164EA835-BB86-4938-8803-04378C331915@sea.plala.or.jp> <0E731275-C4EB-4F24-9736-C41BB940C11B@charter.net> From: todd reynolds Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 10:49:30 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: fast video guy? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0421824da270d304c0a1220e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 14:50:11 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0421824da270d304c0a1220e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wow. i'm glad that came through past my eyes again! That's beautiful both on the video AND the audio Ted. Rockin'. really amazing. Can you tell me a little about it? from both angles? Is it final cut? Is that your rig over some great IDM drums? how did you write it and compile it? All the best, todd On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Ted Killian wrote= : > That was me. > > On May 22, 2012, at 1:25 AM, Ed Durbrow wrote: > > > Somebody here made a video with lots of images flashing by very quickly= . > Does anyone remember who and can possibly put me in touch with the person= ? > > TIA > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =95 *The Best Classical Music of the Year, 2011* - Amazon.com =95 Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now available wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D http://toddreynolds.com http://twitter.com/digifiddler http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic http://blog.toddreynolds.com http://facebook.com/toddreynolds http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds need me right away? Call or text me at 917.576.6166 --f46d0421824da270d304c0a1220e Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wow. =A0i'm glad that came through past my eyes again! =A0That's be= autiful both on the video AND the audio Ted. =A0Rockin'. =A0really amaz= ing. =A0

Can you tell me a little about it? =A0from both= angles? =A0 Is it final cut? =A0Is that your rig over some great IDM drums= ? =A0how did you write it and compile it?

All the best,=A0

todd



On Tue, May 22, 2012 at= 10:05 AM, Ted Killian <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:<= br>
That was me.

On May 22, 2012, at 1:25 AM, Ed Durbrow wrote:

> Somebody here made a video with lots of images flashing by very quickl= y. Does anyone remember who and can possibly put me in touch with the perso= n?
> TIA




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=95 The Best Classical Music of=A0the= Year, 2011 - Amazon.com

=95=A0Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now avail= able wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however!=A0=

need me right away? =A0Call or text me at 917.576.6166



--f46d0421824da270d304c0a1220e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 15:12:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1CBB18345D; Tue, 22 May 2012 15:12:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=OtqyxndnD3j6BokJNx38SSJoGkLxiNovfWMAQsxGXnw=; b=VAuLak6ahNS6njDq622n7KT2Zsa5CGa6orL0c6gUYjRq9aySYnkKAsaSeAnJcFuwB3 6lSNv5fN4dcaVDKD19hK1zPy3n7lsm7LYAPOCbgiCIbsS5UdyjlsDZZHQt/cDQD1NUi1 AwI7+8Qf3LvOyapKVldfoCFCsdMrS3M39ENFPe36A3pzSHvnrikDwFt3+cXlYE9VSa5G 0hTMhsjzl2FQC50LtC0+DuMCAjOKbw+XubfbZW3kOzRCsjbArcMuvCAXnJsm6+jDJMHI A2K/Yx+Jngn/eSPrOkR8CWfF1jFsDbjaw8q6vlEVm8K2xhJSDNsuMzRNinx4A+mzo+V9 AuWw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 11:12:47 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Two new looping videos uploaded - Stick vs Fretless Harp Guitar From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00221572766e8a51f004c0a17331 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 15:12:49 +0000 (UTC) --00221572766e8a51f004c0a17331 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Btw Tim Donahue I have heard is going to be a feature at the upcoming NYC Fretless Guitar Festival. A fellow from south carolina named Michael Vick has organized this event held here a couple of times between 2006-2009. It's supposed to be this October at a venue in Brooklyn. Will pass along more details as I have. I've not really heard Tim in years, he is based in Japan I think. Per you should come over though that's right around Loopfest time, maybe both would work out. Jim On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 5:55 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > In case someone's interested, I lately uploaded two videos where I > loop live. One with the Stick and another with the Tim Donahue > signature Fretless Electric Harp Guitar. > > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > > --=20 --=20 *jimgoodin.com* - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minimalism' *From Brooklyn To Glindran *, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from this CD will benefit *JDRF International * *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. --00221572766e8a51f004c0a17331 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Btw Tim Donahue I have heard is going to be a feature at the upcoming = NYC Fretless Guitar Festival.=A0 A fellow from south carolina named Michael= Vick has organized this event held here a couple of times between 2006-200= 9.=A0 It's supposed to be this October at a venue in Brooklyn.=A0 Will = pass along more details as I have.=A0 I've not really heard Tim in year= s, he is based in Japan I think.=A0 Per you should come over though that= 9;s right around Loopfest time, maybe both would work out.
=A0
Jim

On Tue, May = 22, 2012 at 5:55 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrot= e:
In case someone's interested, I lately uploaded two vi= deos where I
loop live. One with the Stick and another with the Tim Donahue
signature Fretless Electric Harp Guitar.

http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen




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jimgoodin.= com - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive min= imalism'
=A0
From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz= recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from this CD will= benefit JDRF Internation= al

Tips Across the Waters, a= new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.

--00221572766e8a51f004c0a17331-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 15:31:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9470C18345D; Tue, 22 May 2012 15:31:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=rvNqJbVGdbt4egs52VbhtoJZG7AoPDG9H2iogr/sNfs= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:17 a=zQiYORMAAAAA:8 a=6jsdOxxeyKwpWDUbYpwA:9 a=8-vez7Bm12XcksWb0fgA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: fast video guy? From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 08:31:47 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <28AEBCEF-9A3C-4A60-99F0-9BE62149FACE@charter.net> References: <3BDA292E4A0D4D1795461155385BC633@americas.hpqcorp.net> <40777B66-ADAA-437B-A011-68D4ECEABB26@gmail.com> <164EA835-BB86-4938-8803-04378C331915@sea.plala.or.jp> <0E731275-C4EB-4F24-9736-C41BB940C11B@charter.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 15:31:49 +0000 (UTC) Todd, On May 22, 2012, at 7:49 AM, todd reynolds wrote: > wow. i'm glad that came through past my eyes again! That's beautiful = both on the video AND the audio Ted. Rockin'. really amazing. =20 >=20 > Can you tell me a little about it? from both angles? Is it final = cut? Is that your rig over some great IDM drums? how did you write it = and compile it? >=20 > All the best,=20 >=20 > todd Thanks for the kind words todd. I really appreciate it. When I first created and posted that thing last October (if I recall), = only Rainer Straschill seemed to be particularly interested in the = process I was using. He offered a few critiques and compliments, and asked how I had done it = all. Rather than bore the pants off the list as a whole, I posted these two = replies directly to him: Response #1 = ----------------------------------------------------------------- Rainer, I don't even know what IDM means (though I think I can guess). The basic underlying "beat" tracks were an out-take of the collaboration = I did with Krispen Hartung last year "Dance Music for Inanimate Objects" = Not wanting it to go to waste, I just decided to regurgitate [my part = of] it back up and do my "let's throw everything but the kitchen sink at = it and see what happens" thing. The looped guitar parts (and several other things) all were played and = added yesterday. It's a bit of a chaotic mess admittedly - but I sometimes like musical = chaotic messes. I was invited to do it for for a compilation CD a friend of mine is = putting together - for which it had to fit a 4-minute time slot = limitation. It started out as a segment about 2-3 times as long snipped from a three = and a half hour recording session. Does that make sense? It's not a genre I think of as "my own" natively (I don't dance or go to = clubs). So, yes, it is just something I thought I could do . . . or try = beginning a few years back. Thanks for the critique. Sincerely, Ted Response #2 = ----------------------------------------------------------------- Rainer, On Oct 31, 2011, at 3:55 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote: Frankly, I was more interested in how you did the video here* ;). Did I = miss the explanation in your mail, or did you decide not to "dance about = architecture" in that case? I did not It is fairly simple actually. In iMovie, I placed a few hundred (500-600) still images from my = collection of things gathered and created over decades - personal = images, things I created, things I [found and] like, or that mean = something to me. I essentially made a slide show with no transitions between images (no = crossfades or wipes, just instant change) and set the duration of each = image to a mere fraction of a second (0.0625 sec.). Yet, this was still not fast enough, so I brought the resulting video = clip into another program, HyperEngine Montage, where I could speed it = up even more. I made two versions - one clip had about 12.5 frames per second, and the = other one 25 (about as fast as video will allow). Still in HyperEngine Montage, I superimposed these two video streams = [loops actually] on top of one another and did an extremely slow (4 = minute long) crossfade between them. What you see at the beginning of the video (after the count-in and title = etc.) is the slide show at 12.5 frames per second.. Ever so slowly, this transitions (via the long crossfade) to one that is = twice as fast - which is what you see at the end. This is why there is all the mish mash of oddly flickering images in the = middle section (where, by design, the music gets a bit odd and mixed up = too). I am just learning this stuff. The other couple of videos that I posted a month or two ago were created = from royalty-free stock VJ loops that I bought a few libraries of and = cobbled together. This video was all original from me (as far as content goes). In many ways I feel the video is more successful than the music. But neither is especially great. I can do better . . . and hope to. Like I said, I am still learning. Best, Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 16:32:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DEE46183462; Tue, 22 May 2012 16:32:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=ZPK3r5H9zichSOcCSaakdCKyTFDpz8uPezht8Sm6xL0=; b=rI2gNQuAsfGJPdzOU+EXpPJYNov/gDgp0+XT81fWPjPGClC2hp/gzucKGb35zTgHAx LojV4FvdnQcjQaQSfY/l3OAqNAvHTXjb/yRDmYALLI86KxIQMJjagPR1engGmxuxeBGr t5sbXaQjDaVHlYKk0lfNAgrV6+6PyWoXBzOVp0pQJXitJi4KYcp5leKEP0FaU1YC4i/y Z6tMhJXqOkDov/ux2UYWHPTUpOIJMsbHm69h+62NYRxcL92GYfZ/cjYaG+01ERx7cWzF g6XtnE6H1/jN05DFYOBsVHeSIbvBeUruhmrHq0qaDz9eCMNdd5Nh7xLyn1j0btPSFHG9 oKTg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <28AEBCEF-9A3C-4A60-99F0-9BE62149FACE@charter.net> References: <3BDA292E4A0D4D1795461155385BC633@americas.hpqcorp.net> <40777B66-ADAA-437B-A011-68D4ECEABB26@gmail.com> <164EA835-BB86-4938-8803-04378C331915@sea.plala.or.jp> <0E731275-C4EB-4F24-9736-C41BB940C11B@charter.net> <28AEBCEF-9A3C-4A60-99F0-9BE62149FACE@charter.net> From: todd reynolds Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 12:32:02 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: fast video guy? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042c6c4d6238df04c0a291e0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 16:32:44 +0000 (UTC) --f46d042c6c4d6238df04c0a291e0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 great descriptions, Ted, thanks! On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Ted Killian wrote: > Todd, > > On May 22, 2012, at 7:49 AM, todd reynolds wrote: > > > wow. i'm glad that came through past my eyes again! That's beautiful > both on the video AND the audio Ted. Rockin'. really amazing. > > > > Can you tell me a little about it? from both angles? Is it final cut? > Is that your rig over some great IDM drums? how did you write it and > compile it? > > > --f46d042c6c4d6238df04c0a291e0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable great descriptions, Ted, thanks!=A0

On Tu= e, May 22, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Ted Killian <tedkillian@charter.net&= gt; wrote:
Todd,

On May 22, 2012, at 7:49 AM, todd reynolds wrote:

> wow. =A0i'm glad that came through past my eyes again! =A0That'= ;s beautiful both on the video AND the audio Ted. =A0Rockin'. =A0really= amazing.
>
> Can you tell me a little about it? =A0from both angles? =A0 Is it fina= l cut? =A0Is that your rig over some great IDM drums? =A0how did you write = it and compile it?
>
--f46d042c6c4d6238df04c0a291e0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 17:27:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 473C818345E; Tue, 22 May 2012 17:27:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MwxjxQDCqS0+1v8Ts2OcpxPHXU+05b141/ARh94A5p0=; b=IgCvdvw7KWsOSe66OQfsbwqzm75hH7VtmRp2+Yh1t9tSdHZHACJvWcj3KuCih64MJ8 HwppIaxrGUYBE9VRyJY+bmo5qFONOBZSwnBVkm6SBx5m6r4EOLvpj+lbh5/oLW7fqcjj /e3x/2uaPHV8WylDJONTDmIwRIchrOor/lghdgXu4cFBVr+GVSrFOEaF3ZyVSAmiPsDz mp4I8u7RO51960T7NXXSfqwXtIkPbZZyzGhetDmwzej+W2HlSn4XUC+dZlk5Z+Vl/IcD krb94nWXc6rlru1Fr2vPumvSuoAYWb0mrHtsKUNLdf4MVTX0uB2+0cDPmvclbS8VeqoB lixA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 19:27:23 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Two new looping videos uploaded - Stick vs Fretless Harp Guitar From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 17:27:24 +0000 (UTC) Jim, I'd love to come over for both 2012 International Fretless Guitar Summit and the Santa Cruz gathering but at the moment I can't afford doing fun things I lose money on. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Jim Goodin wrot= e: > Btw Tim Donahue I have heard is going to be a feature at the upcoming NYC > Fretless Guitar Festival.=C2=A0 A fellow from south carolina named Michae= l Vick > has organized this event held here a couple of times between 2006-2009. > It's supposed to be this October at a venue in Brooklyn.=C2=A0 Will pass = along > more details as I have.=C2=A0 I've not really heard Tim in years, he is b= ased in > Japan I think.=C2=A0 Per you should come over though that's right around = Loopfest > time, maybe both would work out. > > Jim > > On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 5:55 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> In case someone's interested, I lately uploaded two videos where I >> loop live. One with the Stick and another with the Tim Donahue >> signature Fretless Electric Harp Guitar. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> > > > > -- > -- > jimgoodin.com - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive > minimalism' > > From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin = & > Peter Th=C3=B6rn.=C2=A0 Proceeds from this CD will benefit JDRF Internati= onal > > Tips Across the Waters, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire > Ware. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 18:18:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C419183462; Tue, 22 May 2012 18:18:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=emln0rtibrAxvHzs8vXF+VmhP415wiwjxQN8JQBVVWU=; b=KToF3mmiG89T087+nUHb5BfHKFqwm7Ab3UglY9+RX47b8iPxRTs2IXZzUAwZjlm5Zr zYosXYZodQnQGpUPfouG4cgMSOsHGMOOsCr4pQRvObHAMzN9MifwIvWr9cum+JibpTcI f5dZdO+x81R2ofBMEXW/pQlmL4b3MatySOO4tkC55IkFSrq0IgrNpzYU2RSDiSwCa3dy Vcd6YIeTLZnP9qBDVfAv8ksjlEALq2CBzJQft+tEGjPZXk3JmEjxfx8RwK2hw74IpZ/4 S2v1i1q277OuqqFMZZzgnOsR2Vhao999lAys07zivMMWstRdNvTy41fBuK7tSBDm6A/c qPkg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 11:18:55 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Interesting controller From: Tim Thompson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff2432b30aba504c0a40d14 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnlV3DR0+dOnfOYfe7VZm5bqYg21oHftBufYCVkFGZntQWs98VEg+JJvJfGandgbchfRuMc Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 18:18:56 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8ff2432b30aba504c0a40d14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 See http://spacepalette.com for what you can do with a 3D spatial input device. A recent performance (much better than the one I did at the Y2K Loopfest last year) can be found at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgnYGkIAGbw . The Leap Motion device will be a very welcome alternative to the Kinect, to say the least! On the plus side - increased resolution and decreased size. On the minus side - decreased stage presence and smaller arm motion (larger tai-chi-like arm motion is more enjoyable for expressive things). The biggest question I have is whether it works in sunlight (where the Kinect doesn't work). ...Tim... --e89a8ff2432b30aba504c0a40d14 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable See http://spacepalette.com for wha= t you can do with a 3D spatial input device. =A0A recent performance (much = better than the one I did at the Y2K Loopfest last year) can be found at=A0 http://www.youtube= .com/watch?v=3DpgnYGkIAGbw=A0 .

The Leap Motion devi= ce will be a very welcome alternative to the Kinect, to say the least! =A0 = On the plus side - increased resolution and decreased size. =A0On the minus= side - decreased stage presence and smaller arm motion (larger tai-chi-lik= e arm motion is more enjoyable for expressive things). =A0The biggest quest= ion I have is whether it works in sunlight (where the Kinect doesn't wo= rk).

=A0 =A0 =A0...Tim...
--e89a8ff2432b30aba504c0a40d14-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 18:32:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 765B4183465; Tue, 22 May 2012 18:32:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20120522112829.d8iwf4fiqss08g0g@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 11:28:29 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Interesting controller References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.4) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 18:32:56 +0000 (UTC) Tim/etc, At such a low cost, I wonder if it wouldn't be possible to combine multiple LM's to increase coverage area. Or, if not increase a single area, create multiple areas of input. -cpr Quoting Tim Thompson : > See http://spacepalette.com for what you can do with a 3D spatial input > device. A recent performance (much better than the one I did at the Y2K > Loopfest last year) can be found at > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgnYGkIAGbw . > > The Leap Motion device will be a very welcome alternative to the Kinect, to > say the least! On the plus side - increased resolution and decreased > size. On the minus side - decreased stage presence and smaller arm motion > (larger tai-chi-like arm motion is more enjoyable for expressive things). > The biggest question I have is whether it works in sunlight (where the > Kinect doesn't work). > > ...Tim... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 22 23:02:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E903183460; Tue, 22 May 2012 23:02:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 491 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 22 May 2012 23:02:36 UTC Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2019593646==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120522225410.15337.78701.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 18:54:12 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Recommended Listening: Who Can You Trust? by Morcheeba, 1996 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 23:02:37 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============2019593646== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For=20all=20who=20like=20sound=20loops,=20I=20recommend=20"Who=20Can=20You= =20Trust?"=20Morcheeba's=20first=20album,=20 released=20in=201996.=20They=20use=20a=20lot=20of=20old-style=20tape=20loop= s,=20as=20well=20as=20digital=20loops.=20 One=20of=20the=20songs=20on=20the=20album=20(and=20my=20personal=20favorite= )=20is=20called=20"Tape=20Loop,"=20and=20begins=20 with=20a=20bell-like=20sound=20that=20sounds=20like=20it's=20been=20put=20t= hrough=20a=20tape=20sampler.=20A=20must-have=20for=20a=20looper.=20 Morcheeba's=20first=20release,=20"Who=20Can=20You=20Trust?"=20They=20are=20= British,=20and=20the=20lead=20vocalist,=20Sky=20 Edwards,=20may=20remind=20you=20of=20Imogen=20Heap. Tyler=20Z --===============2019593646==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 23 00:02:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03FDB18345D; Wed, 23 May 2012 00:02:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Xs2TOacdWHgHdvkuLw4whBGu2D8u+EgwWIFasoeB7t0=; b=yQxHtFb276rmyZZiY2wGqxmQmyiaG3gshEBYFUTUV85wg7ZvlZkLqhDxzFsRe2OUBj ZspRlGh2QiTOqjCfVCR9BF3ae/ACR84QViFAcYudpWi+Xb+9VrzfuqVfP5f6FktnE/0V xJeCufkIaMRh9Oi1YwGqvICuzMTDcWHgG/i4Grex4HBoMU7ugFCrnLVkkIX5BlfPgvQe QQvIZ2GO4sjMe29b9mVo9ZaS6S9JXWO0g02Y/XhFaBQzUdQP39/ZCjDK81baWYQi48ux XdXZymhy2jM4ZWVqdijZgFJb5xd9DKxFdOM1XX/EeldsPc1lq3akTsV+bzDtYJRmpYgr /4LA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 17:02:58 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Recommended Listening: From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 00:02:58 +0000 (UTC) Another recommended listening thread! I'm pretty polar in that I really like live looping in live performances, where I hate the use of pre-recorded loops. Most of the CDs I listen to don't use much live looping. I really like: Alog "Duck Rabbit" This electronic duo from Norway released this fantastic CD in 2002 or so. The great thing about it is that it's a clicks'n'cuts/IDM release in which many of the loops do not match up with each other, but they fit into a cohesive whole. There's lots of stuff in odd time signatures, or where the loops restart in seemingly random places, but it doesn't lose its flow. Portishead "Third" Very different from their 2 earlier albums - this one gets more into a loose psychedelic band sound. Pre-recorded loops are blended with live instrumentation in a way that that sounds like a barely-together but very talented garage band. It's one of those releases that's compositionally and melodically pretty strange, but is still very listenable. Lastly, if you like Morcheeba, you'll probably really like Erykah Badu's "New Amerykah Part I" or something like that. I think it's a more successful take, and there's lots of great tracks. I wasn't as into Part II. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com Tyler was like: > For all who like sound loops, I recommend "Who Can You Trust?" Morcheeba's first album, > released in 1996. They use a lot of old-style tape loops, as well as digital loops. > One of the songs on the album (and my personal favorite) is called "Tape Loop," and begins > with a bell-like sound that sounds like it's been put through a tape sampler. A must-have for a looper. > Morcheeba's first release, "Who Can You Trust?" They are British, and the lead vocalist, Sky > Edwards, may remind you of Imogen Heap. > Tyler Z > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 23 00:10:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09A84183462; Wed, 23 May 2012 00:10:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Subject: google From: Ed Durbrow In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 09:09:58 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <023b01cd3582$f8e12e20$eaa38a60$@michaelplishka.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-VirusScan: Outbound; msa02b; Wed, 23 May 2012 09:09:58 +0900 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 00:10:03 +0000 (UTC) Google has a nice retro/analog startup page today. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 23 00:23:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D24BE18345E; Wed, 23 May 2012 00:23:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: References: <20120522112829.d8iwf4fiqss08g0g@webmail.musetrap.com> In-Reply-To: <20120522112829.d8iwf4fiqss08g0g@webmail.musetrap.com> Subject: RE: Interesting controller Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 19:23:39 -0500 Message-ID: <011b01cd387a$4dbb0480$e9310d80$@michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQDhfFf4bdpp+3VvJjjjmK5Gq9+6BgFav8FzmKMlzyA= Content-Language: en-us x-vipre-scanned: B57D5E4F002EAFB57D5F9C X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 00:23:42 +0000 (UTC) According to the webpage, you CAN daisy chain them together. -----Original Message----- From: cpr@musetrap.com [mailto:cpr@musetrap.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:28 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Interesting controller Tim/etc, At such a low cost, I wonder if it wouldn't be possible to combine multiple LM's to increase coverage area. Or, if not increase a single area, create multiple areas of input. -cpr Quoting Tim Thompson : > See http://spacepalette.com for what you can do with a 3D spatial input > device. A recent performance (much better than the one I did at the Y2K > Loopfest last year) can be found at > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgnYGkIAGbw . > > The Leap Motion device will be a very welcome alternative to the Kinect, to > say the least! On the plus side - increased resolution and decreased > size. On the minus side - decreased stage presence and smaller arm motion > (larger tai-chi-like arm motion is more enjoyable for expressive things). > The biggest question I have is whether it works in sunlight (where the > Kinect doesn't work). > > ...Tim... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 23 00:49:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8CF5183460; Wed, 23 May 2012 00:49:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_5b6365cb-c7f0-4fe3-bbee-4d8447ed2370_" X-Originating-IP: [92.228.252.221] From: Sergio G Sender: To: Subject: RE: google Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 00:49:02 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <023b01cd3582$f8e12e20$eaa38a60$@michaelplishka.com> , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 May 2012 00:49:02.0359 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8D61A70:01CD387D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 00:49:03 +0000 (UTC) --_5b6365cb-c7f0-4fe3-bbee-4d8447ed2370_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah=2C I thought I was the only one to see it and that it was a new spy func= tion of Google which detects which pages you visited most and change the St= artup page logo according to your detected interests...:) > Subject: google > From: edurbrow@sea.plala.or.jp > Date: Wed=2C 23 May 2012 09:09:58 +0900 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > Google has a nice retro/analog startup page today. >=20 = --_5b6365cb-c7f0-4fe3-bbee-4d8447ed2370_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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= --_5b6365cb-c7f0-4fe3-bbee-4d8447ed2370_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 23 03:31:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42E2818345A; Wed, 23 May 2012 03:31:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Ed Durbrow Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_EEC3BA29-AEBB-4DAB-8823-30348908ACF7" Subject: Re: google Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 12:31:41 +0900 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <023b01cd3582$f8e12e20$eaa38a60$@michaelplishka.com> , Message-Id: <3209B595-59EF-4088-B41F-D28A126E1328@sea.plala.or.jp> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-VirusScan: Outbound; msa01b; Wed, 23 May 2012 12:31:41 +0900 Resent-Message-ID: <0yFdQB.A.eoF.hoFvPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 03:31:45 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_EEC3BA29-AEBB-4DAB-8823-30348908ACF7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On May 23, 2012, at 9:49 AM, Sergio G wrote: > Ah, I thought I was the only one to see it and that it was a new spy = function of Google which detects which pages you visited most and change = the Startup page logo according to your detected interests... > :) Well, that still could be true. --Apple-Mail=_EEC3BA29-AEBB-4DAB-8823-30348908ACF7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
>=20 > Not wanting it to go to waste, I just decided to regurgitate [my part = of] it back up and do my "let's throw everything but the kitchen sink at = it and see what happens" thing. >=20 > The looped guitar parts (and several other things) all were played and = added yesterday. >=20 > It's a bit of a chaotic mess admittedly - but I sometimes like musical = chaotic messes. >=20 > I was invited to do it for for a compilation CD a friend of mine is = putting together - for which it had to fit a 4-minute time slot = limitation. >=20 > It started out as a segment about 2-3 times as long snipped from a = three and a half hour recording session. >=20 > Does that make sense? >=20 > It's not a genre I think of as "my own" natively (I don't dance or go = to clubs). >=20 > So, yes, it is just something I thought I could do . . . or try = beginning a few years back. >=20 > Thanks for the critique. >=20 > Sincerely, >=20 > Ted >=20 > Response #2 = ----------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Rainer, >=20 > On Oct 31, 2011, at 3:55 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote: >=20 > Frankly, I was more interested in how you did the video here* ;). Did = I miss the explanation in your mail, or did you decide not to "dance = about architecture" in that case? >=20 > I did not >=20 > It is fairly simple actually. >=20 > In iMovie, I placed a few hundred (500-600) still images from my = collection of things gathered and created over decades - personal = images, things I created, things I [found and] like, or that mean = something to me. >=20 > I essentially made a slide show with no transitions between images (no = crossfades or wipes, just instant change) and set the duration of each = image to a mere fraction of a second (0.0625 sec.). >=20 > Yet, this was still not fast enough, so I brought the resulting video = clip into another program, HyperEngine Montage, where I could speed it = up even more. >=20 > I made two versions - one clip had about 12.5 frames per second, and = the other one 25 (about as fast as video will allow). >=20 > Still in HyperEngine Montage, I superimposed these two video streams = [loops actually] on top of one another and did an extremely slow (4 = minute long) crossfade between them. >=20 > What you see at the beginning of the video (after the count-in and = title etc.) is the slide show at 12.5 frames per second.. >=20 > Ever so slowly, this transitions (via the long crossfade) to one that = is twice as fast - which is what you see at the end. >=20 > This is why there is all the mish mash of oddly flickering images in = the middle section (where, by design, the music gets a bit odd and mixed = up too). >=20 > I am just learning this stuff. >=20 > The other couple of videos that I posted a month or two ago were = created from royalty-free stock VJ loops that I bought a few libraries = of and cobbled together. >=20 > This video was all original from me (as far as content goes). >=20 > In many ways I feel the video is more successful than the music. >=20 > But neither is especially great. >=20 > I can do better . . . and hope to. >=20 > Like I said, I am still learning. >=20 > Best, >=20 > Ted >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 23 09:28:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2D5418345C; Wed, 23 May 2012 09:28:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_d7166e6f-c488-448a-af16-2bb34937307c_" X-Originating-IP: [217.92.188.169] From: Sergio G Sender: To: Subject: RE: google Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 09:28:38 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3209B595-59EF-4088-B41F-D28A126E1328@sea.plala.or.jp> References: <023b01cd3582$f8e12e20$eaa38a60$@michaelplishka.com> , ,<3209B595-59EF-4088-B41F-D28A126E1328@sea.plala.or.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 May 2012 09:28:38.0441 (UTC) FILETIME=[6F3AB190:01CD38C6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 09:28:39 +0000 (UTC) --_d7166e6f-c488-448a-af16-2bb34937307c_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So if next time I will see a Google logo with a naked woman I will know tha= t it is just for me...Damn spyware! :) From: edurbrow@sea.plala.or.jp Subject: Re: google Date: Wed=2C 23 May 2012 12:31:41 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com On May 23=2C 2012=2C at 9:49 AM=2C Sergio G wrote:Ah=2C I thought I was the= only one to see it and that it was a new spy function of Google which dete= cts which pages you visited most and change the Startup page logo according= to your detected interests...:) Well=2C that still could be true. = --_d7166e6f-c488-448a-af16-2bb34937307c_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
So if next time I will see a Google logo with a naked woman I will know tha= t it is just for me...
Damn spyware! :)

From: edurbrow@sea.plala.or.jpSubject: Re: google
Date: Wed=2C 23 May 2012 12:31:41 +0900
To: Loo= pers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

On May 23=2C 2012=2C= at 9:49 AM=2C Sergio G wrote:

Ah= =2C I thought I was the only one to see it and that it was a new spy functi= on of Google which detects which pages you visited most and change the Star= tup page logo according to your detected interests...
= :)

Well=2C that still could be true.=

= --_d7166e6f-c488-448a-af16-2bb34937307c_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 23 13:03:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2439418345E; Wed, 23 May 2012 13:03:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=KLQ0zmvY3AjNCKdmrBqCk2YNT1JvfwyK95YEX9cLK0A=; b=uNmMyauj2z9TInN2cHZaTb4hAWQAdfrhlCIglv8kzDX+p6M1LM7V/qkAZ/ZSlK8orU bKkI2CPkDEuT1EbIfmfLxTVxGzroKJpVbKLreyFIPjs1sQH+uUnzbFGVqXY1rXJEQxAF i+BVVBFjsQt2jwgCkQrwr8L+9cj4DPdAOzCmO1LnxdqW56YiW8Xih+m9rzh3wxl7pJ4O zpDB/F4J0H0vK/VBKv5MAPrjIqSMUX79Wqt3oQb9CzMtzMFSkJjPMxiFqLIM5Ommw17z hzkbINUif2fDaerlPxchCvgQOuG4q3Ha1lbT+l8hhRBZQ8M4U0hgeNkasljMdQ5UxcKo 3BVg== Subject: Re: fast video guy? References: <3BDA292E4A0D4D1795461155385BC633@americas.hpqcorp.net> <40777B66-ADAA-437B-A011-68D4ECEABB26@gmail.com> <164EA835-BB86-4938-8803-04378C331915@sea.plala.or.jp> From: Jim Goodin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: <164EA835-BB86-4938-8803-04378C331915@sea.plala.or.jp> Message-Id: Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 09:02:54 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 13:03:01 +0000 (UTC) I made a video of highlights from the 2009 Looping Festival and it had gradu= ally accelerating edits which the mid to latter was almost flash frame in ot= her words kind of what you are describing. Is that one you were recalling? Get Tips Across the Waters for your iDevice, http://iTunes.apple.com/us/app/= tips-across-the-waters/id474128076?=3Dmt8 On May 22, 2012, at 4:25 AM, Ed Durbrow wrote: > Somebody here made a video with lots of images flashing by very quickly. D= oes anyone remember who and can possibly put me in touch with the person? > TIA From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 23 15:55:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87831183453; Wed, 23 May 2012 15:55:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ITKUXL4/pkWhpSzPWSAkRilsTKqizzJGmh0j2NgDti0=; b=xoXtAU/QilfQe5dC838OMtRv0C5clYsQnEhmKJ8GEdgEtx9bQYjOb/5Zn3wOd1Em61 4ixz73ndO7n6u9N1di5mSm897vlUCd7PMysxWAOYu4nD8nepfCwHFTGA60/Tekji63RF 1iGiU2MbMifCvpcKWhDX/dLdDblIOMijiatGHyZGdHE1YB1KWwPDQ5tK6wStRePDa06v 6b8CaMETJFQqX0S+OOV/jym4baxeJrVA6m/7wmz5uwHhHfv6e/Htxyt+WXat85uAfm4X TLPSgee5U0YrUbvq+hfQwx25UfzCYg1pk4fIukIrzhKZ0JNt7ot1ic2RbKYJYYvgs6xX Scag== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 08:55:19 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: More flexible electronic music setup From: "kay'lon rushing" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight." Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043c80747dee2b04c0b629f9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 15:55:20 +0000 (UTC) --f46d043c80747dee2b04c0b629f9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 How can I make my electronic music setup more sonicly flexible? I want more sounds to play with but i feel like my midi limits me. I basically use the same set of sounds all the time. As you can see in this video compared to the rest of them http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSkOjgYuMOA&feature=youtube_gdata_player any tips? I will be performing at my school lunch soon :p --f46d043c80747dee2b04c0b629f9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

How can I make my electronic music setup more sonicly flexible? I want m= ore sounds to play with but i feel like my midi limits me. I basically use = the same set of sounds all the time. As you can see in this video compared = to the rest of them http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DTSkOj= gYuMOA&feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_player

any tips? I will be performing at my school lunch soon :p

--f46d043c80747dee2b04c0b629f9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 23 16:37:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8729618345C; Wed, 23 May 2012 16:37:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=91p+7XsllrfEVdt5r44himlQlZrDQ66ZAODq1OoHE/c=; b=PVwpDtISb0VZPb66fR2C1/enuk9wRXZfRXgbAmdIP67Ca0SLSQjpmLegi4scYYK6mk GGrk1lr8tCXB7Ub58i7KLAJmbwAYss73P6tQ2XFGvQKSEY6MpayTsUj/1DWGUj4lYn8z cWpwKiBFTRsne6MBsI29X38gL+QFgci76VSjoierkTgh4HsmGfdHlbuXcUjsxvDn5tvN mV0Lkx8PMNZVGVcXI6j8QI/jfFWe7Q+hrl3PQytRoOzaDO7A83AZqXfSWbN06gSjpMly JiwA3pF8RmBezkGN7sptwPTYYrxMtK/d11nR+lzVY1zYycfxo9tFbxhj1lc/xrI8adjP pe4Q== Message-ID: <4FBD1241.7090309@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 18:37:21 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: More flexible electronic music setup References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 16:37:19 +0000 (UTC) kay'lon rushing schrieb: > > How can I make my electronic music setup more sonicly flexible? I want > more sounds to play with but i feel like my midi limits me. I > basically use the same set of sounds all the time. As you can see in > this video compared to the rest of them > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSkOjgYuMOA&feature=youtube_gdata_player > > > any tips? I will be performing at my school lunch soon :p > work with a synth that has NO PATCH MEMORY and is rather simple. Like a Doepfer Dark Energy (of the contemporary stuff, or a Minimoog if you like). Then replace your current synth with it and play a song with it. -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 23 16:53:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8ACB18345D; Wed, 23 May 2012 16:53:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=trufun.com; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject; bh=9CGjo3PhOZIgFfx0IfPbEj7zIU/EaBxmzVDFPW8FUZk=; b=iQAjyInZq767tMciMI6ZeUBNcCRfGdqSH+YtSE5xwIBp2THXB5PYVOqUqZFuiZNa7leTNlSqMUlXfVVZUYyDzLCFhuKRzfthXpsHDuBsfh6w01NRJdQykCsyxbu7Cwo1; Subject: Re: google Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Gans In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 09:53:26 -0700 Cc: David Gans Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <07909447-FDCA-48DE-9F9F-F8911161985E@trufun.com> References: <023b01cd3582$f8e12e20$eaa38a60$@michaelplishka.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 16:53:27 +0000 (UTC) The Moog Synthesizer works!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 23 17:22:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E55DF18345C; Wed, 23 May 2012 17:22:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 777375590/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.22.125/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.22.125 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlYCAN4bvU9YbRZ9/2dsb2JhbAANNoxwqlQEAQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBhUWCLrsRjQeDFgOaVI0f X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,645,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="777375590" Message-ID: <4FBD1C93.3000001@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 18:21:23 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: google References: <023b01cd3582$f8e12e20$eaa38a60$@michaelplishka.com> <07909447-FDCA-48DE-9F9F-F8911161985E@trufun.com> In-Reply-To: <07909447-FDCA-48DE-9F9F-F8911161985E@trufun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 17:22:21 +0000 (UTC) not on I.E. Firefox ok David Gans wrote: > > The Moog Synthesizer works!! > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 23 17:35:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A882018345C; Wed, 23 May 2012 17:35:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8eVED5x5XttbSXTF2JiOIl9J1228j7TK0c9+eTut588=; b=TsFcTAU49uz++3vqN9FZ21NzS2ia/K/h7A3YeaYXtsWzcA3Mzlap9FEuchfSSEg0hm hSsgl46RExev8qm3Jdo29lX+DpJMKoHh36YrBeFZyXrRT2sRzZGDSrkJjZL4Mu3vSYBN LZh8iLMFfpm1JJShvZjfhH8tTLKqKlwWX597NLA8sOlmfpkKkuo15ZXr9FrzOq/dOtPm wwXTzBJJOrEOaWnGe7GEhFPcDNocycBF8UezGHZTmeLgKVqSHmQGY2S4D3Nc6auk1NAN sd5wGUe+UM3WBdvILtO0Iq1MQhuWZcv+wBLQ5q15tOj+O/r56DSbqPz8ODFQO4E6MyFQ Nkcw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FBD1C93.3000001@tiscali.co.uk> References: <023b01cd3582$f8e12e20$eaa38a60$@michaelplishka.com> <07909447-FDCA-48DE-9F9F-F8911161985E@trufun.com> <4FBD1C93.3000001@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 10:35:10 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: google From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 17:35:11 +0000 (UTC) Poor IE users. Kevin On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 10:21 AM, andy butler wrot= e: > not on I.E. > > Firefox ok > David Gans wrote: >> >> >> The Moog Synthesizer works!! >> >> >> > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 23 17:54:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D7FD183460; Wed, 23 May 2012 17:54:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 777384281/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.22.125/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.22.125 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAO0ivU9YbRZ9/2dsb2JhbAANNrdIAQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRkDAcMEin2CCoMWA5pUjR8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,645,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="777384281" Message-ID: <4FBD243C.5020200@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 18:54:04 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: google OT References: <023b01cd3582$f8e12e20$eaa38a60$@michaelplishka.com> <07909447-FDCA-48DE-9F9F-F8911161985E@trufun.com> <4FBD1C93.3000001@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 17:54:02 +0000 (UTC) It's just another attempt to plug the much plugged Chrome. (the Les Paul google was fine on IE) Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > Poor IE users. > > Kevin > > On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 10:21 AM, andy butler wrote: >> not on I.E. >> >> Firefox ok >> David Gans wrote: >>> >>> The Moog Synthesizer works!! >>> >>> >>> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 23 18:18:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DC1018345D; Wed, 23 May 2012 18:18:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <023b01cd3582$f8e12e20$eaa38a60$@michaelplishka.com> <07909447-FDCA-48DE-9F9F-F8911161985E@trufun.com> <4FBD1C93.3000001@tiscali.co.uk> <4FBD243C.5020200@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4FBD243C.5020200@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: google OT Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 19:18:50 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 18:18:52 +0000 (UTC) Agreed, much. Which IE are people having trouble with? 8? -----Original Message----- From: andy butler Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 6:54 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: google OT It's just another attempt to plug the much plugged Chrome. (the Les Paul google was fine on IE) Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > Poor IE users. > > Kevin > > On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 10:21 AM, andy butler > wrote: >> not on I.E. >> >> Firefox ok >> David Gans wrote: >>> >>> The Moog Synthesizer works!! >>> >>> >>> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 23 19:20:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BA0218345C; Wed, 23 May 2012 19:20:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=q/1Uyzafw5mta+vQwMHJJ3rMSKNDC7iaGiC8MfIUK4Q=; b=szI7PWMfMnq0ttjR2qZNQw118bH11Ysx4jI/c0eq/VJCd0iW8boXAwkdp/D9qADYYi v7rZYE0968v/ZziXOJI5v1Y4wSVQcJUKXjq9bwwn6dqq7SzYEN40sJ/m8nILebB+dRZe uEawNCYd125sz494l9H/5Cs45DnuZRkxu/eGUfTTm3OjiOEMGg1Wmq8aUgSyIehwpefh eesd91/mFAR5B63DZ2fN9SGDy7DL/yKYviBVLa0OLuCYP1ocIlM6noGhNN/t3IyPmyaO DeKZh6aI6cYyOVcUUkayAaO1VEXeC7r6bf+wL2XnHN81DtVRHszvFgnessW32zhsmNyw pXzQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4FBD1241.7090309@googlemail.com> References: <4FBD1241.7090309@googlemail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 21:19:55 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: eUPcLRO9vcP1-8iOmh9kdries78 Message-ID: Subject: Re: More flexible electronic music setup To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015173ff92e6546f704c0b906b8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 19:20:16 +0000 (UTC) --0015173ff92e6546f704c0b906b8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well honestly thats just down to spending more time playing with your synth plugins... not sure what you are using, but I really suggest the cheap stuff from Native Instruments, like things for their Kore Player, or Reactor player.. if you trawl theri site and d/l all ther free stuff, you can get quite a few good things... The thing with Kore is that every patch has 8 knobs already assigne and working (I use an Axiom 61 too) so out of the box a sound is pretty tweakable. Personaly I prefer hardware synths for this very reason, I like to grab hold of something and turn.. NOT spending days deciding which 16 knobs out of a million to map to my keyboard buttons. I have a few analog sequencers and thats a bit like working with loopers, as in, when you change something, youve lost the thing before... I like that, there nothing like sitting in front of a modular synth with a pile of cables round your neck... But to fit into YOUR way of working, I think you simply need to have some "patch days".. just sitting with sounds and noises and SAVE EVERYTHING... over-write those factory patches NOW! Mark On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > kay'lon rushing schrieb: > >> >> How can I make my electronic music setup more sonicly flexible? I want >> more sounds to play with but i feel like my midi limits me. I basically use >> the same set of sounds all the time. As you can see in this video compared >> to the rest of them http://www.youtube.com/watch?** >> v=TSkOjgYuMOA&feature=youtube_**gdata_player< >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=TSkOjgYuMOA&feature=youtube_** >> gdata_player >> > >> >> >> any tips? I will be performing at my school lunch soon :p >> >> work with a synth that has NO PATCH MEMORY and is rather simple. Like a > Doepfer Dark Energy (of the contemporary stuff, or a Minimoog if you like). > Then replace your current synth with it and play a song with it. > > -- > http://moinlabs.de > Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --0015173ff92e6546f704c0b906b8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well honestly thats just down to spending more time playing with your synth= plugins... not sure what you are using, but I really suggest the cheap stu= ff from Native Instruments, like things for their Kore Player, or Reactor p= layer.. if you trawl theri site and d/l all ther free stuff, you can get qu= ite a few good things... The thing with Kore is that every patch has 8 knob= s already assigne and working (I use an Axiom 61 too) so out of the box a s= ound is pretty tweakable.

Personaly I prefer hardware synths for this very reason, I like to grab= hold of something and turn.. NOT spending days deciding which 16 knobs out= of a million to map to my keyboard buttons.

I have a few analog seq= uencers and thats a bit like working with loopers, as in, when you change s= omething, youve lost the thing before... I like that, there nothing like si= tting in front of a modular synth with a pile of cables round your neck...<= br>
But to fit into YOUR way of working, I think you simply need to have so= me "patch days".. just sitting with sounds and noises and SAVE EV= ERYTHING... over-write those factory patches NOW!

Mark

On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googl= email.com> wrote:
kay'lon rushing schrieb:

How can I make my electronic music setup more sonicly flexible? I want more= sounds to play with but i feel like my midi limits me. I basically use the= same set of sounds all the time. As you can see in this video compared to = the rest of them http://www.youtube.com/= watch?v=3DTSkOjgYuMOA&feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_player = <http://www.youtube.com/watch?= v=3DTSkOjgYuMOA&feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_player>


any tips? I will be performing at my school lunch soon :p

work with a synth that has NO PATCH MEMORY and is rather simple. Like a Doe= pfer Dark Energy (of the contemporary stuff, or a Minimoog if you like). Th= en replace your current synth with it and play a song with it.

--
http://moinlabs.de
Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs




--
= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--0015173ff92e6546f704c0b906b8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 23 20:13:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA02D18345D; Wed, 23 May 2012 20:13:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Z40M9o+RCoPHgn3YLnstLKNoHsHhljXxfa0KhbWS99M=; b=dGtUQOZHu23qnxo3IVNAiiNA2vnmUJaMns+hubbTbH3rWuFMA7IbhKN+sihLEZb3zR OPBnHlONMlGV/CIurJjvi7ym8fMQYqOVfvIk7AHgHZMgYdUWqSUbT+cF5vjbAVH6FQrD fAPzbrXSajf6hz8Hm1afGMd8zezLTq9XTuMhLJCZXVibYumDSZhYB6xJP8anewKxNzeP 6w85i/rxRvI0BGEW/N7X8+optkhFjgG7KwL6O8wHYmQsou1WzAHKVfXt7F0l07SzCOdv 6vOAvrVJBBtniJtqXt9zMKRh0hBhWkO7+7+SBW770jgKdY588C/FuTwve2MHX9Bvti6A 23IQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4FBD1241.7090309@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 16:13:42 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: More flexible electronic music setup From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 20:13:43 +0000 (UTC) Are you using live? Can't remember if that's part of your setup... if you are and you want new sounds, check out AfroDJMac`s instrument racks for Live : http://afrodjmac.com/category/free-ableton-instruments/ 57 free instruments (and counting). Sylvain On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 3:19 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Well honestly thats just down to spending more time playing with your synth > plugins... not sure what you are using, but I really suggest the cheap stuff > from Native Instruments, like things for their Kore Player, or Reactor > player.. if you trawl theri site and d/l all ther free stuff, you can get > quite a few good things... The thing with Kore is that every patch has 8 > knobs already assigne and working (I use an Axiom 61 too) so out of the box > a sound is pretty tweakable. > > Personaly I prefer hardware synths for this very reason, I like to grab hold > of something and turn.. NOT spending days deciding which 16 knobs out of a > million to map to my keyboard buttons. > > I have a few analog sequencers and thats a bit like working with loopers, as > in, when you change something, youve lost the thing before... I like that, > there nothing like sitting in front of a modular synth with a pile of cables > round your neck... > > But to fit into YOUR way of working, I think you simply need to have some > "patch days".. just sitting with sounds and noises and SAVE EVERYTHING... > over-write those factory patches NOW! > > Mark > > > On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Rainer Straschill > wrote: >> >> kay'lon rushing schrieb: >>> >>> >>> How can I make my electronic music setup more sonicly flexible? I want >>> more sounds to play with but i feel like my midi limits me. I basically use >>> the same set of sounds all the time. As you can see in this video compared >>> to the rest of them >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSkOjgYuMOA&feature=youtube_gdata_player >>> >>> >>> >>> any tips? I will be performing at my school lunch soon :p >>> >> work with a synth that has NO PATCH MEMORY and is rather simple. Like a >> Doepfer Dark Energy (of the contemporary stuff, or a Minimoog if you like). >> Then replace your current synth with it and play a song with it. >> >> -- >> http://moinlabs.de >> Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs >> > > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 23 21:09:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D961218345D; Wed, 23 May 2012 21:09:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=hr4h1/zkXYERSJ2EStLXlJ9v/X1e5ATtVUFVM9Abuxk= c=1 sm=0 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=86YVo7J7NvNiGHybR9YA:9 a=gt3U2kW5ecY7BVixjbEA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=4bIun+6SPSEMul+TBpytnA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: iPad midi From: chaz worm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 17:09:33 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 21:09:36 +0000 (UTC) I'm the first to point out I'm a complete midi retard. I try to get old acou= stic instruments sound electronic via looping. That being said I have a chea= p cheesy midi controller (akai 25 key, I really don't know how good or bad i= t is. The price was right) I have a myriad of things to hook it up to. I have small netbook hacintosh, w= indows 7 and linux netbooks at my disposal. I have iPhones and iPads.=20 Which route should I take to make strange sounds? =20 There are so many good apps for IPad (the fairlight mentioned on this list r= eally intrigued me) but how will I control with my controller? Chaz Sent from my iPhone= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 23 21:21:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BEA1183460; Wed, 23 May 2012 21:20:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject :date:references:x-mailer; bh=NGD8MwskzP8tOkzevFF/xydt1M5feWGC1xzRWathHTw=; b=AXWqqg41DsEOQEjcH6I1zDBJh8/VCoqWdjSU3ZSkrq76p235fAdL2/1a5c7/E9Mig3 i3IiZW0dZ3xGk8iUw8GZDftUANB9ZDyrDxyuAq2nCajTF1s/djZOnkyuc+HoRb02vbXO KEAW8hlKdgHSgUdIUFQ46e47lerC9SsjlApLz2SpIHPQDYQE/QctcJBckmBlKyY5NXT2 XUU+O4RSwH03zM77Bfup4BLOG+fmaxMWAQB4GghQ91zbTobhsEmy4cU3ZOvkIwW+IzRA nUQYhUvWkjNHNDDqFeTgl1mAgga1C4RDCJxoIvI11nrdJIgq+rtLzAc8lqRpS/V9a49f CyMg== Message-Id: From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-871085005 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: iPad midi Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 14:20:54 -0700 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 21:20:59 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-871085005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On May 23, 2012, at 2:09 PM, chaz worm wrote: > so many good apps for IPad (the fairlight mentioned on this list > really intrigued me) but how will I control with my controller? You will likely need a powered USB hub to get the signal into an ipad. But if you have more than one ipad you can also use one as a midi controller. BobC http://rpcollier.bandcamp.com/album/platz http://soundcloud.com/rpcollier/tracks --Apple-Mail-1-871085005 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On May 23, 2012, = at 2:09 PM, chaz worm wrote:

so many good = apps for IPad (the fairlight mentioned on this list really intrigued me) = but how will I control with my = controller?


You will likely need a = powered USB hub to get the signal into an ipad. 
But if = you have more than one ipad you can also use one as a midi = controller.

BobC

= --Apple-Mail-1-871085005-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 23 21:26:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB096183460; Wed, 23 May 2012 21:26:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vWqpc6zQL5XE7B63S4iHfHXVl6rjgD7Yrpw8CGhr7OQ=; b=cwEebYHtAjxIG1KtUCC1ynGH5lX/PPVUgJCWbvKpkjrT05QtYnJur+NrivH9hw0m6I Eemp2bjrSV0XYxsvun8KMJr4HDXKljFJeyrx/oCDetmmS9zFTLCSMzNWucOwhuGM6hwt kNpp9+h7rH0UePt8miDmIAdd/MDMWfkFrLkCimcsI6dwRO/BVz1wggU+fSme9i4xusto I8zEBHedGB8l7CAqK/tZkOmWGIMWqghEoe7eWFhjQ6X1Yk1TbfkW7ceXsiLjzmVMO2Gj rjYSPgnDIrOjOYtlSdA9k4q34xLFiCMzBBcBgBc2IWTupb7SdXUfRje6ZharlSQV3UqD cvlg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 15:26:30 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: iPad midi From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 21:26:31 +0000 (UTC) Honestly? If you're a complete newb, I'd recommend starting by perusing this website: http://www.iosrecording.com/ =85 there are several approaches, including MIDI over WiFI network, but you're probably better off starting with an audio interface for iOS that has MIDI with it. The Alesis iO Dock: http://youtu.be/DBfojDxpZLY IK Multimedia's iRIg MIDI: http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/irigmidi/ and The iConnectMIDI: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/iConnectMIDI Those are some good ones to consider. Ping me offline if you want more info=85 Best Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 3:09 PM, chaz worm wrot= e: > I'm the first to point out I'm a complete midi retard. I try to get old a= coustic instruments sound electronic via looping. That being said I have a = cheap cheesy midi controller (akai 25 key, I really don't know how good or = bad it is. The price was right) > I have a myriad of things to hook it up to. I have small netbook hacintos= h, windows 7 and linux netbooks at my disposal. I have iPhones and iPads. > Which route should I take to make strange sounds? > There are so many good apps for IPad (the fairlight mentioned on this lis= t really intrigued me) but how will I control with my controller? > > Chaz > > Sent from my iPhone From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 23 22:00:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31EA1183460; Wed, 23 May 2012 22:00:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Sc/ZYiLj1Y5LgK27pgEMQVTSQ7dCR0Es9BsBSBdvD+6W+dmZeU50iQUmBMPThlBP; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 17:59:52 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: iPad midi Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7978a0055fc2d70032297e12492aea2950350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 22:00:24 +0000 (UTC) There are several ways to use MIDI with an iPad, the cheapest is to get the Apple "Camera Connection Kit" and a compatible USB midi controller. There are also direct MIDI interfaces by Line 6 and Yamaha, and of course the Alesis IO has built-in MIDI, audio and docking facilities. >I'm the first to point out I'm a complete midi retard. I try to get >old acoustic instruments sound electronic via looping. That being >said I have a cheap cheesy midi controller (akai 25 key, I really >don't know how good or bad it is. The price was right) >I have a myriad of things to hook it up to. I have small netbook >hacintosh, windows 7 and linux netbooks at my disposal. I have >iPhones and iPads. >Which route should I take to make strange sounds? >There are so many good apps for IPad (the fairlight mentioned on >this list really intrigued me) but how will I control with my >controller? > >Chaz > >Sent from my iPhone -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 23 22:42:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DDC018345E; Wed, 23 May 2012 22:42:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FBD67C3.3070102@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 15:42:11 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "kay'lon rushing" CC: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight." Subject: Re: More flexible electronic music setup References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1119ED.A.lj.LfWvPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 22:42:19 +0000 (UTC) Contrast is the key in getting more creative with your sounds. Mixing up sampled acoustic instruments with synthesizers. Mixing up sounds that had lot of processing and/or reverb with sounds that have no processing or reverb. Using sounds that have very, very short envelopes juxtaposed with sounds that are more ambient or long envelope Change up your harmony. Play tunes modally or scalarly and stay with the scale.......use more complex harmony........... .use modulation. Try mixing up quadratic, triadic and diadic harmony or juxtapose single melodic lines to create harmony. By a really cheap sampler........NOT a good one and see what some of your own keyboard sounds sound like when you resample at low band widths. Bring in simple actual acoustic sounds........there are tons of minimalistic keyboards: melodicas, cheesy toy plastic organs, harmonicas, really cheap toy keyboards, etc., etc. that can bring really interest and subtlety to your midi sounds. Use found sounds......objects from your kitchen and things that you can strike or blow from your local hardware store or "everything for a dollar" store. No matter how simple it is, it will give a cool vibe to an otherwise fairly sterile midi keyboard environment. it's the contrast that is key......neither group of sounds is better than the other. Pick up an instrument that has a different paradigm than a keyboard (plucked string, bowed string, flute, reed, brass, percussion) and learn how to play a very, very simple melody and record it on your track despite your ability to play the instrument well. Try to get sounds out of every instrument you own that were NOT intended as being musical and use them like percussion parts. Sit down and make a mental note of the sounds you like and the sounds you dislike. Purposefully try out some sounds you don't like in a minimal way and see what results. Shake it up, Kay'lon! You are creative and ambitious. Your system as it stands can make wonderful music, I assure you. good luck, Rick Walker On 5/23/12 8:55 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > > How can I make my electronic music setup more sonicly flexible? I want > more sounds to play with but i feel like my midi limits me. I > basically use the same set of sounds all the time. As you can see in > this video compared to the rest of them > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSkOjgYuMOA&feature=youtube_gdata_player > > > any tips? I will be performing at my school lunch soon :p > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 23 22:43:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3950418345E; Wed, 23 May 2012 22:43:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: google References: <023b01cd3582$f8e12e20$eaa38a60$@michaelplishka.com> <3209B595-59EF-4088-B41F-D28A126E1328@sea.plala.or.jp> From: Antony Hequet Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7-874708379 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <0BB60BD6-6D97-4689-9994-D7CBBEE53096@orange.fr> Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 00:21:16 +0200 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8J2) X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8J2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 22:43:00 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7-874708379 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii They sent me a moog synth Antony Hequet Poet composer On 23 mai 2012, at 11:28, Sergio G wrote: > So if next time I will see a Google logo with a naked woman I will know th= at it is just for me... > Damn spyware! :) >=20 > From: edurbrow@sea.plala.or.jp > Subject: Re: google > Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 12:31:41 +0900 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > On May 23, 2012, at 9:49 AM, Sergio G wrote: >=20 > Ah, I thought I was the only one to see it and that it was a new spy funct= ion of Google which detects which pages you visited most and change the Star= tup page logo according to your detected interests... > :) >=20 > Well, that still could be true. >=20 --Apple-Mail-7-874708379 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
They sent me a moog synth
=
Antony Hequet
Poet composer

On 23 mai 2012, at 1= 1:28, Sergio G <sim= pliflying@gmail.com> wrote:

So if next time I will see a Google logo with a naked woman I will know that= it is just for me...
Damn spyware! :)

From: edurbrow@sea.plala.or.jp
Subject: Re: google
Date: Wed, 23 M= ay 2012 12:31:41 +0900
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
On May 23, 2012, at 9:49 AM, Sergio G wrote:

Ah, I though= t I was the only one to see it and that it was a new spy function of Google w= hich detects which pages you visited most and change the Startup page logo a= ccording to your detected interests...
:)

Well, that s= till could be true.

=
= --Apple-Mail-7-874708379-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 01:32:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADBB0183461; Thu, 24 May 2012 01:32:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: google References: <023b01cd3582$f8e12e20$eaa38a60$@michaelplishka.com> <07909447-FDCA-48DE-9F9F-F8911161985E@trufun.com> From: Antony Hequet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <07909447-FDCA-48DE-9F9F-F8911161985E@trufun.com> Message-Id: <571C16A8-D925-4532-A6E0-C2EBC7A234A4@orange.fr> Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 00:21:09 +0200 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8J2) X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8J2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 01:32:25 +0000 (UTC) Really? Antony Hequet Poet composer On 23 mai 2012, at 18:53, David Gans wrote: > > > The Moog Synthesizer works!! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 04:24:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3412A183455; Thu, 24 May 2012 04:24:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=RmTrRK+ZJ/ECFloXvGWzMzE5T9L1wBH7RdmZm+6mABo=; b=0YdB0z6Sxr54UpPFAGPcvAg8GRX0X/lcmW3TYgTKB1mwGEvFKepjx0vvjqnUc5EHY6 PUd1Dus1X3tehSQSErBdRxbahyQBQ50DAzh+jCzz0E/dtFTsDEONOT4pbckJ/1KVeo82 DyfCnEStmamfXvzSlpfDO10s37YdiZbDtAkt2txS3T1ORuDMKio/Ve9CLUqtjB4oVrDF y4BU+rS0sDkogEL+2aBv3xFcgNalZhIrHUlpBtV2xEAT+vqSdnN8X38WGbs2p6VkzhOz vhFZaYKnx07rg8bSHLY3eeM/e16fe0oNW3QrfDP4OkjdImnt3N8pd9WYE+SmdINiDLyN fFGA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 21:24:11 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: More flexible electronic music setup From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 04:24:13 +0000 (UTC) Hey Kay'lon, I guess the first question to ask is - how do you want it to be more sonically flexible? Listening to the movie, it sounds like you're into live manipulation of your sounds. A few external effects boxes will work wonders - especially if you're able to choose which loops can go through external effects. (And if you're not able, I'd still suggest checking them out.) To start with, I'd suggest a distortion pedal with a lot of settings and knobs. (I use a Digitech Distortion Factory. I've seen others recommend the Proco Rat.) External distortion pedals work wonders on synths, because they react differently to different volume levels and filter settings. After your distortion, you may like a filter, to add additional color. I'm very fond of the Alesis Philtre, which is unfortunately discontinued and hard to find. And after that, maybe some sort of box that lets you easily handle reverb/echoes, etc. I really like the Alesis Ineko (also discontinued and hard to find), since it has reverb, some simple echoes, and some nice ear candy things like ring modulator, reverse echo and formants. Lastly, do you have a volume pedal? To me, that's an understated secret weapon, since you can add a lot of live expression with one, while keeping both hands free. ...And with all this stuff, I'd keep an eye out for gear that is friendly to live manipulation, over gear that encourages you to save patches and presets. I have a youtube video describing my rig here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ELCrrMdphk&feature=relmfu This rig is all about taking a midi-based instrument (a drum machine) and creating a wide variety of sounds from it, especially in an improvised music context. kay'lon rushing was all: > How can I make my electronic music setup more sonicly flexible? I want more > sounds to play with but i feel like my midi limits me. I basically use the > same set of sounds all the time. As you can see in this video compared to > the rest of them > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSkOjgYuMOA&feature=youtube_gdata_player > > any tips? I will be performing at my school lunch soon :p -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 06:11:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 674F718345D; Thu, 24 May 2012 06:11:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=GY0+T/1PjdLZqgVYAEZkDXFwokefegrfWtUBaUAM1zU=; b=qrjbJc1Uwb2gFEu847UazRU917xqr7/6GZCGAGf9RAfGIBlI7neliaL4Bn1Hzt/7C/ 2Xog3zQUD9PkOmwme6odnCg9GVh/qKioUi+0Mu9vWzgrl9raOwP6zTZxB/x3tmbG6nu/ Uvq96WRe/Ib37d1LGPLj1IGk4uZoOOVrNrY/CSbKIhdYLct/+qeDhs3I6nEz/Js/Rkyy YDO2dIhCrC0VvPGiQ44e/XnKCJ7T/MnzA/M2NSSOlkPNAtpK4GALjaXH6n8R1h4Nm02O xvGHwKd/dPjkT+PTRS3luVvt49kS1eywQCfiIsxSClmFrTWn1JX2H0E2MXWOHia0W0ac FBtA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 08:11:46 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: More flexible electronic music setup From: Johannes Korn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042c6c4d62d84104c0c220e0 Resent-Message-ID: <0oTXOD.A.lhD.jEdvPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 06:11:47 +0000 (UTC) --f46d042c6c4d62d84104c0c220e0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 2012/5/24 Matt Davignon > > To start with, I'd suggest a distortion pedal with a lot of settings > and knobs. (I use a Digitech Distortion Factory. I've seen others > recommend the Proco Rat.) External distortion pedals work wonders on > synths, because they react differently to different volume levels and > filter settings. > > Hi Kay'lon, I second that recommendation, although from my experience, a Rat doesn't work too well for use with a synthesizer (your mileage may vary). I love to use a Big Muff for that. Have fun with effect boxes. If you can't decide on which sort to use, get a line6 M5. It has all sorts of different stuff in it. Cheers, Johannes -- jenko.nashorn@googlemail.com http://soundcloud.com/jenko-nashorn --f46d042c6c4d62d84104c0c220e0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

2012/5/24 Matt Davignon <mattdavig= non@gmail.com>

To start with, I'd suggest a distortion pedal with a lot of settings and knobs. (I use a Digitech Distortion Factory. I've seen others
recommend the Proco Rat.) External distortion pedals work wonders on
synths, because they react differently to different volume levels and
filter settings.


=A0
Hi= =A0 Kay'lon,

I second that recommendation, although from my experience, a Rat = doesn't work too well for use with a synthesizer (your mileage may vary= ). I love to use a Big Muff for that.

Have fun with effect = boxes. If you can't decide on which sort to use, get a line6 M5. It has= all sorts of different stuff in it.

Cheers,
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--f46d042c6c4d62d84104c0c220e0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 07:18:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE92B183452; Thu, 24 May 2012 07:18:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1337843934; bh=ilcO4DHSfLwUF1HzD+81NAXuiiK9uELUIhmPDc7KtGg=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Date:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer; b=2a3nc6FXsIQlQ8k4SJiDIe8VEY+Ez2n9GxZ9mMHPV/8qbRnKCP601bzcEG98oxmuRw/RTyd5QNwOMnbV77xGk+2GGAT44+oU7wHWkIYimbA8cZQP8OTyDIDx1ni9amWrXJ0m38qqqWqgULb92JOnwlIPu2yz+2bFnIoLRUcnD3c= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 47926.22210.bm@smtp103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 94pCGT8VM1n4yfVudaaXkv8Y6VqS5eN3Rxs8hTbwk5DyAiW h1TejGXhL.Tr5iScZyqrnkpO1W2.lJTCDiCzT5ZfuoEbq9DA0Psc2jcm7v5v Cd4CRLO1cGh1.zoQMp7p1SUvhh7syycnoReSCPeopnKj0TCG4KAbrmtkoFxg jqVcGOeAZdPzFjFoFOOYrFaxELQIfnQc4mFy0UHWC6a7f5.uPMxT1.22jb4c ebE3qajDgQI4SmRt4CqcKD5NEHS8yT0nOOV7pVcLMcZZyNMc6TAeT3Td2tSP _uPP2tJxfUbSz62pk8fkOhJtQT8.zqwEsXwuGa9Q3516H.s8qpC9vWGufCFX so.ItSZbjJ42PbWafzlX1KoPKN73YNgyw2Z0UBLEz2IyC9vSKUVLG5tE7NPS kgxobjxGvkcGgaYNYN4VDV4jteh4_AGfqBZEAMhF9h9NhmHMkl0EEzb_wX0x j5v8Prc0tCVFWVdDqDd4b9EsuC7e0KyzgIbN_IQZRBR0UTPsdqOne1_GQynP cseUK4pXcLKQtYN9KgRMLMBfnSsevdUCzIs_VARB90zaaM.aJd2zDSA6KX8r sUb8BNUWMucRWfL081lHSsVRrzEC0wj76rNeLukWv.XCbJyxIrbr.OPwwF5n IPYnAlDCEo8mcf2W.iDLSa6hdMMiT26Ghbrl.EJIiMbfc7YvMk3Cm7bIf_yI r_fLanA-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 75CdczOswBChen.W3AbLhaW8TlC96TVo5w-- From: Ben To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 09:18:53 +0200 Subject: Re: iPad midi In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <20120524091853.6C4C3EE8.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: nPOPuk Ver 2.16 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 07:18:55 +0000 (UTC) Hello, You can also check this series of episodes from sonicstate to get you started: Go here: http://www.sonicstate.com/video/index.cfm?vid=1 and do a search on "sonic touch". There are 11 episodes Ben -------------------------------------------------- Charles Zwicky wrote: (23/05/2012 23:59) > > There are several ways to use MIDI with an iPad, the cheapest is to > get the Apple "Camera Connection Kit" and a compatible USB midi > controller. There are also direct MIDI interfaces by Line 6 and > Yamaha, and of course the Alesis IO has built-in MIDI, audio and > docking facilities. > > > > >I'm the first to point out I'm a complete midi retard. I try to get > >old acoustic instruments sound electronic via looping. That being > >said I have a cheap cheesy midi controller (akai 25 key, I really > >don't know how good or bad it is. The price was right) > >I have a myriad of things to hook it up to. I have small netbook > >hacintosh, windows 7 and linux netbooks at my disposal. I have > >iPhones and iPads. > >Which route should I take to make strange sounds? > >There are so many good apps for IPad (the fairlight mentioned on > >this list really intrigued me) but how will I control with my > >controller? > > > >Chaz > > > >Sent from my iPhone > > > -- > > ... > http://www.zmix.net > > http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky > > http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 09:02:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 789CC18345E; Thu, 24 May 2012 09:02:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <709E521F-961C-40CE-A02F-DCF58FB4B18E@grubmah.com> Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: iPad midi Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 02:02:00 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 09:02:06 +0000 (UTC) I was tempted by the Alesis I/O Dock until I started reading reviews suggest= ing that it can't use its USB port with USB-only controllers. Can anyone con= firm or dispute that? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 10:02:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE827183463; Thu, 24 May 2012 10:02:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1337853720; bh=gi1EjTh0rLC6k8wUcnLcfm1LrhGhKV2AR/ygzAZBFgw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Date:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer; b=fv9bRqqKqaH99Si+wdvO2T8/4yBHOsKXmeuV/CIJcxVXoZru+fCpgdnRiDxuD/RkyJzsmnykg+l0Qf7iWBBkPL5BJ39Ufn8tTS89ZXSv5jxq0n7dIKS5Tvn3VCh9FD0ux7i5siiWEfESW8GJql8Fj6e+wXoTEvJMQD/UJkQvl30= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 225583.59872.bm@smtp138.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: VOboh1wVM1krl9vOcb.AlHjMtTGL2MJQYPhrRP0oEplFsAC XDkUYpHA_gvjQDYjVBCwacsIlilZrUagwfDor_9SZFaJkmx2RAdHl2IxFkE0 oLgpUDkGo2Uens55RrusL_F6Dm_BtE7jL1yYDFLEjtmtqaEdzv7rZ0gRPfTM qGD4fnkDDhCftA6aqxgI9CPZ864vI4gLHFDv3.3VMTUmhkCztajAiSw9t_yD Q2vVnfU2IfRDE3skjFf5_1HLkRTXF1hobpDMTfJjEbbI08q3uSV_I7sNmm0S IbTazGa3BPL_2eaH5jQyeYMNWbQ4fRKkWTfk1XqO37hg1JrcURrNEPL1fO8W iZtIpqyt.1dOZn7JXw1lTcBEsFkr0rZfADQb5cYcGxrrTwh0q3P1._._ZfC5 q.ArRD.42rVhNBAJtn_DkBxEVd4XvvjH6yxtY1fGXXh9ef4Kdh8LG1pb9lLX UiVsvJUmj4AQ3UXkav5_UARyr0BWD_dVnKpvuH9QT2OcvjZqH0g5Kn.lPUqO hITWgyJz7iiOVXD_2hrm6AgxVJZu5PBTfxmfuZF.MPJAcyHM7eZNXm0lokta SFbVTQPqYKAFVrL4FUPOxTJ2p9HDhYo.F4ToS7D6OIikARd8myMMvL5DQJ7e q2kWENmuUUtNKzm70gMiYE0jNrqpUdILLNHQpJwuyVJuUSdsNUdxOauk0wg6 wePI1yMS9MH9znGbDKN3m.1tCI4uoFxUMFO.Ms3ysoiPEjDH.01cAQ1iG824 bszdTvfzBguiCCc0iSNiUduMsUzaE1DQ2VYGj8w0AzM1XXavE6viZ_rRJd7v zvfhg264wzwnWKn5648xJ4WEguB.5RsVM1ncZ8Xf3ftEnPEYh6meQFOh2c.D _Itc- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 75CdczOswBChen.W3AbLhaW8TlC96TVo5w-- From: Ben To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 12:02:00 +0200 Subject: Re: Cheap sampler In-Reply-To: References: <4fb7e3e4.6aea440a.1b35.ffffd081@mx.google.com> Message-Id: <20120524120200.0A201D60.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: nPOPuk Ver 2.16 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 10:02:02 +0000 (UTC) Thumb jam is a good IOS app too for sampling stuff. And there is this voice to midi converter too. Ben. -------------------------------------------------- Dennis Moser wrote: (19/05/2012 20:31) > For what you'd spend on a hardware sampler, even a refurb'd iPad2 > (http://store.apple.com/us/product/FC980LL/A) would be affordable =E2=80= =A6 > especially since it would still be covered by an Apple warranty (and > on these things, there are no moving parts, no hard drives to fail). >=20 > Something to consider. >=20 > Best, >=20 > Dennis >=20 > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >=20 >=20 > On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 12:18 PM, k3zz21@gmail.com wro= te: > > :p if only i had an ipad > > -----Original Message----- > > Date: Saturday, May 19, 2012 10:24:09 am > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > From: "Dennis Moser" > > Subject: Re: Cheap sampler > > > > Be sure and watch the second video I posted; he goes in to much more > > detail there about the setup, including custom scales and keyboard > > layouts=3FI'm slowly getting in to using this sampler, but some of it i= s > > still a bit beyond me. > > > > Best, > > > > Dennis > > > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > > http://audiozoloft.com > > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > > > > On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Charles Zwicky wrote: > >> Pretty cool! > >> Oddly in the "resampling" demo (around 4:30) he plays an octave of > >> alternating "C" and the resampled version is at the correct pitch when= he > >> plays "E".. oops.. > >> > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch=3Fv=3Dirpj9HdkiH0&feature=3Drelated > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> At 10:44 -0600 19/5/12, Dennis Moser wrote: > >>> > >>> If you do go the iPad route, you should also consider looking at one > >>> of Jordan Rudess's apps called "Sample Wiz" =3F video in action here > >>> (alone with several others): > >>> http://youtu.be/ePzZyc=5Fgk4c > >>> > >>> Discussion here: > >>> http://forum.melodeon.net/index.php=3Ftopic=3D778 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 11:40:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 189DA18345B; Thu, 24 May 2012 11:40:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: Lutherkirche Improv Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 13:40:25 +0200 Message-ID: <000901cd39a2$037d4940$0a77dbc0$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01CD39B2.C7061940" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-Language: de Thread-Index: Ac05ogJrLmWp4M2JTEGxZSZy1jVr9g== Resent-Message-ID: <8OA_sC.A.pDG.04hvPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 11:40:36 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CD39B2.C7061940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DaDYoDbvLsG0 =20 Loop-festival.de=20 May 19, 2012: Lutherkirche, Cologne a collective improvisation with Eela Soley (voc, synth, midi sax), = Alexander Meyen (violin), Michael Peters (guitar) =20 -mpe ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CD39B2.C7061940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CD39B2.C7061940-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 13:20:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C42B18345C; Thu, 24 May 2012 13:20:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 459 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 24 May 2012 13:20:25 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=helpwantedproductions.com; h= message-id:in-reply-to:references:date:subject:from:cc :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s= helpwantedproductions.com; b=lhrNz+/GdLq3yPzrakRqRR80GQ5w5GJB3tT 9M7zmyYTItOXXBfxiDwtb43M2PHPbcJmU/yeklBXjiUTAtFfYlKklo8kjH0NHxqK DDezW7Luojlpgr3jpj7aOwusvojxMUnzxu/eDRZS98A//0TjNKW0zaV2lwY+BGxa 5JmQg/Ig= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=helpwantedproductions.com; h=message-id:in-reply-to:references:date:subject:from:cc :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s= helpwantedproductions.com; bh=ruimZlywoIwfdKh5yc8wclyPH6Q=; b=Eh e9+90sjKXuGpnVdwukXLbXL4VU3qVz+EXlhWCHdEke975Hzr+gifVZRj1UL99LZh I6zgdgx0ravb4dULZT2zJFR40aQIfWX4JLMB9lRAprDPa1/9m2GUakOIZgquoivA FPFstxI2cLFUA9L3dwQEoXGL+U/Oqoyf+l/i0dWU8= Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20120524114038.36EE3183461@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20120524114038.36EE3183461@arsenic.violacea.com> Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 06:12:44 -0700 Subject: Re: iPad midi From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 13:20:25 +0000 (UTC) Does anyone know of a cheap midi I terrace that will work the this system= ? I have a generic camera connection/USB kit for my ipad1 and it works fine with my novation remote LE controller. I read that you can use a "cheap Chinese midi interface from eBay" to do midi in/out this way as well but I haven't found a midi interface that works yet. I have tried an eridol (Roland) um2 and it does work. Any specific suggestions appreciated! > There are several ways to use MIDI with an iPad, the cheapest is to > get the Apple "Camera Connection Kit" and a compatible USB midi > controller. --=20 --------------------------------------- NEW DAED SITE!! - Http://DaedSound.com DAED: Circuit Bent and Unusual Sound Devices "Making Something Extraordinary from the Ordinary" Music and Downloads at the New Online Site: http://davidtalento.bandcamp.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 13:41:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D294518345D; Thu, 24 May 2012 13:41:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=RfDzN0jJ8ZDIWgfiuN1MZhnLdUbhwEfT+01sbWzX4sk=; b=aQsSirZVDZWIGNdRDyP5lPiIWpVVbjBLAad6uHFA9R8XBcjDVZAGGhs6nzmrGTfKxl sz5SxXUJvUpKhytjF0Amh05Y9MoQatmgKHVOqUgoM3eL+MRnzk5eobqrEH/fo7wXff4Z iz3rfUt/gmcuCxJ561BwrYer4lCpsOcMCBerqeNt7Nocnz2cMGTMdaIFVHk7fNNdwisj GO7klYfpW/D/tfNj4JZgXsxZanj84TVdKXacwgWyc+DX9ui0cx3oHMNIvuOj7/hcsBu8 y+LzuTHf4mTi4aJSRl0xxZHn77RyzbHEORRnNeVjKUDye062hV9WLh5xKqS77q9qZgr/ Tkew== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <709E521F-961C-40CE-A02F-DCF58FB4B18E@grubmah.com> References: <709E521F-961C-40CE-A02F-DCF58FB4B18E@grubmah.com> Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 07:41:07 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: iPad midi From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 13:41:08 +0000 (UTC) Sorry I can't confirm that =97 my only hardware MIDI controllers are all 5-pin and 13-pin ones =97 I CAN CONFIRM that it works beautifully with the 5-pin ones and that the MIDI/WiFI/Network has been stellar. Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:02 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > I was tempted by the Alesis I/O Dock until I started reading reviews sugg= esting that it can't use its USB port with USB-only controllers. Can anyone= confirm or dispute that? > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 13:49:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63C8418345C; Thu, 24 May 2012 13:49:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=oF8z1Upt7JpOL3ug5NxmX2v6a0868XxFS5oBPtAPjJY=; b=PeFNML+VxLaXtBcuJuUrHvfAYNfzgIbt1+UCnTSxNxbTZ0LM/XefDmhEgvx5fgvE0M Pi0b8aCdcekQTwDM4FXW9K23In4yNNazclaW+YC0i57xfuy1rQvypzJZqvf9RbHGWLkr ZQvkYw5lyLxT9+nvQR7+b9Et2f3YWlMuGCYFR2ubOI7zE99tKBLDlp0hKbIPTsnQ47ix /1INRYySeeCR8MhICZTYxMYIAXWm1PL9i3x0M27pCGnuUwe4uW8IKqIEnaaLrqF9CHQp ufTwQsttp5EDxrptQXIzLrJbygX4YNUpd0uEZtN5ahYfQAIXOh/6+0riL9jrlpFSR/nb dBkg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20120524114038.36EE3183461@arsenic.violacea.com> Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 07:49:08 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: iPad midi From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 13:49:09 +0000 (UTC) "Cheap" and "MIDI Interface" are two words I'm learning really shouldn't get too close to each other =85 and, of course, "cheap" is a relative term. Better to do what you can with what you have now and save/plan for a reputable, well-built interface later. I was amazed at the difference of going from a no-name "cheap" that costs $15 less than the M-Audio MIDISPORT 2x2 I bought later. And I got the M-Audio unit on Ebay, so you can start there to get an idea of what you can get for not much more than the cheap stuff. And the same goes for MIDI cables =85 Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 7:12 AM, wrote: > Does anyone know of a cheap midi I terrace that will work the this system= ? > I have a generic camera connection/USB kit for my ipad1 and it works fine > with my novation remote LE controller. > > I read that you can use a "cheap Chinese midi interface from eBay" to do > midi in/out this way as well but I haven't found a midi interface that > works yet. I have tried an eridol (Roland) um2 and it does work. > > Any specific suggestions appreciated! > > >> There are several ways to use MIDI with an iPad, =A0the cheapest is to >> get the Apple "Camera Connection Kit" and a compatible USB midi >> controller. > > > > -- > =A0 =A0 --------------------------------------- > =A0 =A0 NEW DAED SITE!! =A0- =A0Http://DaedSound.com > =A0DAED: Circuit Bent and Unusual Sound Devices > "Making Something Extraordinary from the Ordinary" > > Music and Downloads at the New Online Site: > =A0 =A0http://davidtalento.bandcamp.com/ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 14:41:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8835C183453; Thu, 24 May 2012 14:41:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 808244.24584.bm@omp1053.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1337870475; bh=CS1fqM032sIRUK+lES3kxQ5YDlpSeeEV/ZNY/kx3ucA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LCyQS1FJxcwRQlM7d0gOy8y5DnEo7jQ25kk+qtYBEL49TzZLWhUtuRe07mD1v87pgsEbxmaUcw9EM4P9h0/eeOB/ofBIBcpjX1LVCX5IbwGxS2mC9rz1L9wPkCywlgQjYxfj62jVoBr6rlQUYL+02Gy9zeAY+rolOspZ0TTo9o0= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=x5BxJIPJ/q/bd0RThVGWNIQyfB8zAApZ9BgtAW8YmYxM6JJISw6q1SjwMR08BZiV+R6DghSaQJegNRhSHaHBN2PJV4f4jVb7fW/jvB3EltLgfDiAnBpk4PA87ssB5C6uRnjxO5/QT9Fx4gsaOzBkcmlvh89XDW4rVFQ4pgK7o70=; X-YMail-OSG: xm2t9KYVM1mRg56o6KypdSqzntrOVPVa9rc.9cCjEPrpFrD kUtnOxlWbZiSfWziuNUM36kIorm_gBMou4JBsIiAWoBnSe8QFAf9MrCniA3K zk0Ch5x0s.DI1SkMh8jiI4Ayv_5zvnAROwpcdGxUKh9yS1M.c_LnDkJbpOzy Tx4jT9JlF_HHxwHjP9AjzhZCuyKGTfIE27s.rv27C4rphvag.BhnKKAjcror 3jbDHQEQPxjHkQTuc8a9tBc8Etef9Z6q7gZmyu9Z40FvjyU2IHl2JneeEVM8 _HsKdyX_Ipt93fJcHTE_zfcQgEA1KrP3g9uP5YNarHM7o8kevfqd3_93L0Eh pmDK.h7R8D3sxs6_4L.2NmXReY0gxdF.qYPpnS6OqCQEQ.X6VDbkxD8G2h8f ztCD8X4rW1Y8x_jqJOsQzPRrVdAhy7LkpiWv5C7VFu1tiJuHQzJ.7rbrhW1g vB0W1x5_qSIvlzourHtep.bb5aNsH1ZKDt.qRyJ6ljrqOUo.5Or4XiulXmN4 gjP7sptm6qVOuw4DLtnFYWAd7g3FuxcZeizrh4I3ozfkXxlid2ZaQGOkyLWu t0M7zrXSmg0RI5euEKAe0sIQG6fJEottajyr4WVszLWen X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <4FBD67C3.3070102@cruzio.com> Message-ID: <1337870475.57970.YahooMailNeo@web32506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 07:41:15 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: More flexible electronic music setup To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4FBD67C3.3070102@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1118611504-1702972635-1337870475=:57970" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 14:41:16 +0000 (UTC) ---1118611504-1702972635-1337870475=:57970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, listen to "Automobilr Noise" on The Blue Nile album, "A Walk Across th= e Rooftops". You'll here a ton of kitchen implements. Also, for it's time (= 1983), it was an album that sounded radically different than anything that = had been recorded before. Truly an experience in the day. rig=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Rick Walker =0ATo: kay'lon rushing =0ACc: "Loopers-Deligh= t@loopers-delight." =0ASent: Wednesda= y, May 23, 2012 3:42 PM=0ASubject: Re: More flexible electronic music setup= =0A=0AContrast is the key in getting more creative with your sounds.=0A=0AM= ixing up sampled acoustic instruments with synthesizers.=0AMixing up sounds= that had lot of processing and/or reverb with sounds that have no processi= ng or reverb.=0AUsing=A0 sounds that have very, very short envelopes juxtap= osed with sounds that are more ambient or long envelope=0AChange up your ha= rmony.=A0 =A0 Play tunes modally or scalarly and stay with the scale.......= use more complex harmony...........=0A.use modulation.=A0 =A0 =A0 Try mixin= g up quadratic, triadic and diadic harmony or juxtapose single melodic line= s to create harmony.=0A=0ABy a really cheap sampler........NOT a good one a= nd see what some of your own keyboard sounds sound like when you resample= =0Aat low band widths.=0A=0ABring in simple actual acoustic sounds........t= here are tons of minimalistic keyboards: melodicas, cheesy toy plastic orga= ns, harmonicas,=0Areally cheap toy keyboards, etc., etc.=A0 that can bring = really interest and subtlety to your midi sounds.=0AUse found sounds......o= bjects from your kitchen and things that you can strike or blow from your l= ocal=0Ahardware store or=A0 "everything for a dollar" store.=A0 No matter h= ow simple it is,=A0 it will give a cool vibe to an otherwise=0Afairly steri= le midi keyboard environment.=A0 =A0 it's the contrast that is key......nei= ther group of sounds is better than the other.=0A=0APick up an instrument t= hat has a different paradigm than a keyboard (plucked string, bowed string,= flute, reed, brass, percussion)=0Aand learn how to play a very, very simpl= e melody and record it on your track despite your ability to play the instr= ument well.=0ATry to get sounds out of every instrument you own that were N= OT intended as being musical and use them=0Alike percussion parts.=0A=0ASit= down and make a mental note of the sounds you like and the sounds you disl= ike.=0APurposefully try out some sounds you don't like in a minimal way and= see what results.=0A=0AShake it up,=A0 Kay'lon!=A0 =A0 You are creative an= d ambitious.=A0 =A0 Your system as it stands can make wonderful=0Amusic,=A0= I assure you.=0A=0Agood luck,=0ARick Walker=0A=0A=0AOn 5/23/12 8:55 AM, ka= y'lon rushing wrote:=0A> =0A> How can I make my electronic music setup more= sonicly flexible? I want more sounds to play with but i feel like my midi = limits me. I basically use the same set of sounds all the time. As you can = see in this video compared to the rest of them http://www.youtube.com/watch= ?v=3DTSkOjgYuMOA&feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_player =0A> =0A> any tips? I wi= ll be performing at my school lunch soon :p=0A> ---1118611504-1702972635-1337870475=:57970 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, listen to "Automobilr Noise" on The Blue Nile album, "A= Walk Across the Rooftops". You'll here a ton of kitchen implement= s. Also, for it's time (1983), it was an album that sounded radically d= ifferent than anything that had been recorded before. Truly an experience i= n the day.=0D
rig
From: Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com>
To: kay'lon rushing <k3z= z21@gmail.com>
Cc: = "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight." <Loopers-Delight@loopers-de= light.com>
Sent: W= ednesday, May 23, 2012 3:42 PM
Subject:= Re: More flexible electronic music setup

=0ACon= trast is the key in getting more creative with your sounds.

Mixing u= p sampled acoustic instruments with synthesizers.
Mixing up sounds that = had lot of processing and/or reverb with sounds that have no processing or = reverb.
Using  sounds that have very, very short envelopes juxtapos= ed with sounds that are more ambient or long envelope
Change up your har= mony.    Play tunes modally or scalarly and stay with the scale..= .....use more complex harmony...........
.use modulation.    &= nbsp; Try mixing up quadratic, triadic and diadic harmony or juxtapose sing= le melodic lines to create harmony.

By a really cheap sampler.......= .NOT a good one and see what some of your own keyboard sounds sound like wh= en you resample
at low band widths.

Bring in simple actual acoust= ic sounds........there are tons of minimalistic keyboards: melodicas, chees= y toy plastic organs, harmonicas,
really cheap toy keyboards, etc., etc.  that can bring really interest and subtlety to your midi = sounds.
Use found sounds......objects from your kitchen and things that = you can strike or blow from your local
hardware store or  "everythi= ng for a dollar" store.  No matter how simple it is,  it will gi= ve a cool vibe to an otherwise
fairly sterile midi keyboard environment.=     it's the contrast that is key......neither group of sounds is= better than the other.

Pick up an instrument that has a different p= aradigm than a keyboard (plucked string, bowed string, flute, reed, brass, = percussion)
and learn how to play a very, very simple melody and record = it on your track despite your ability to play the instrument well.
Try t= o get sounds out of every instrument you own that were NOT intended as bein= g musical and use them
like percussion parts.

Sit down and make a= mental note of the sounds you like and the sounds you dislike.
Purposefully try out some sounds you don't like in a minimal w= ay and see what results.

Shake it up,  Kay'lon!    Yo= u are creative and ambitious.    Your system as it stands can mak= e wonderful
music,  I assure you.

good luck,
Rick Walker<= BR>

On 5/23/12 8:55 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote:
>
> How = can I make my electronic music setup more sonicly flexible? I want more sou= nds to play with but i feel like my midi limits me. I basically use the sam= e set of sounds all the time. As you can see in this video compared to the = rest of them http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DTSkOjgYuMOA&feature=3Dyoutube= _gdata_player <http://www.youtube.com/watc= h?v=3DTSkOjgYuMOA&feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_player>
>
> = any tips? I will be performing at my school lunch soon :p
>

<= br>
---1118611504-1702972635-1337870475=:57970-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 15:32:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EB3E183455; Thu, 24 May 2012 15:32:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=9CynU9K6ryPcW04JhGT3ZRv3RYWeaVP+BjOvxNMY0uo=; b=lzup/lhjOGLCL/0C+dk1kwrS3X5p92DeSaGUWbthO4S4rHMb94X6ORZVNAmZQOmhzz 3MqvX8+MJUkTgRH4ecMrQJSLgsi0suslPdyB7fbR2apjT4aXZvRSyKnyoRlqbqdA+s3L vM9VS/fWw2PTt7HefFo6zgkGhlyUd0vjY9xiYbQXPwRkkChCRc7F3RnsHwSQbp28z+Vl v75thSvt9qRSYHfOvJ/9Xwl5O4Yntr04RIZZ15lIsGrRLf7UtclZPzzz9ZFiFBU3EPJO bDDS1GKO92Zm+gpnsxZtNP9V1kOySe4P1cPvB3tLC8Kh3cW7kDBuRSCTyq9vsMdKS2+Y TjHA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <000901cd39a2$037d4940$0a77dbc0$@de> References: <000901cd39a2$037d4940$0a77dbc0$@de> Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 08:32:27 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Lutherkirche Improv From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 15:32:28 +0000 (UTC) Listening now, very nice. I strive for this kind of musicality in my improv while generally producing crazy skronk instead. Well done. Kevin On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 4:40 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DaDYoDbvLsG0 > > > > Loop-festival.de > May 19, 2012: Lutherkirche, Cologne > a collective improvisation with Eela Soley (voc, synth, midi sax), Alexan= der > Meyen (violin), Michael Peters (guitar) > > > > -mpe > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 17:34:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE92718345C; Thu, 24 May 2012 17:34:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=z8fpH4Njwp09xxHsjAxWZFlxBkXzE3xUZprJa5qNiVQ=; b=yIYf50RIbUF0RwMU+UBjrGS2u1yckoet1L62UCPCy04Q06Ka+gTZl9hGhblI6WVQi5 lwlodAzf5hzpoRZTCFpIlaMcrhQPyWir++Mm/IkB9REIe+d9ZwlNzAhDkCje5Ua7MqQ/ 0tXyRJMDsaNPSyNcPwREZFJDImwew78STWbh2JXO2Ocg4Nt3XNcem4Sx65Sdx2McQhws GON+Md4gAI/vNoitzvb/RBi7ZHIMLTcq7N92Pptmi/hQJdulQFKU7uO457q5MOkuAEo+ R5Bc046+pupfmRcCmB55k3Xg1G0EFEFZjWSCBUN9hlN85qz7eclhqA4GTeeW7xag7ySH U7KA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <000901cd39a2$037d4940$0a77dbc0$@de> Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 13:34:55 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Lutherkirche Improv From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54d4d388bb2a704c0cbab5a Resent-Message-ID: <6QQoaD.A.khB.AFnvPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 17:34:56 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec54d4d388bb2a704c0cbab5a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michard this is great. Going to listen again later as other distractions at the time but loved the setup and instrumentation of this gathering. Do you work together regularly or are you going to again? On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > Listening now, very nice. I strive for this kind of musicality in my > improv while generally producing crazy skronk instead. > > Well done. > > Kevin > > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 4:40 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DaDYoDbvLsG0 > > > > > > > > Loop-festival.de > > May 19, 2012: Lutherkirche, Cologne > > a collective improvisation with Eela Soley (voc, synth, midi sax), > Alexander > > Meyen (violin), Michael Peters (guitar) > > > > > > > > -mpe > > > > > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble= . > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos > > --=20 --=20 *jimgoodin.com* - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minimalism' *From Brooklyn To Glindran *, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from this CD will benefit *JDRF International * *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. --bcaec54d4d388bb2a704c0cbab5a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michard this is great.=A0 Going to listen again later as other distractions= at the time but loved the setup and instrumentation of this gathering.=A0 = Do you work together regularly or are=A0 you going to again?

On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando <= ;billowhead@gmail= .com> wrote:
Listening now, very nice. =A0I strive for this kind of musicality in my
improv while generally producing crazy skronk instead.

Well done.

Kevin

On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 4:40 AM, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DaDYoDbvLsG0
>
>
>
> Loop-festival.de
> May 19, 2012: Lutherkirche, Cologne
> a collective improvisation with Eela Soley (voc, synth, midi sax), Ale= xander
> Meyen (violin), Michael Peters (guitar)
>
>
>
> -mpe
>



--
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.<= br>
- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org
Video = http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos




--
-- <= /div>
jimgoodin.= com - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive min= imalism'
=A0
From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz= recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from this CD will= benefit JDRF Internation= al

Tips Across the Waters, a= new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.

--bcaec54d4d388bb2a704c0cbab5a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 18:44:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2377183453; Thu, 24 May 2012 18:44:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=G+Qv1Y64AzZuoFT3iwDCDpBoRjhPe7joCU5ktjALMT0=; b=ZzlVHPfRJbq/zaw8+OS4MZZcaRZRZ7zYciitOXVbZ5qIHBQReW6LffOvMmeUBp5z7G jDs2gUKFiT++s1gInd39LQ4raijIpAEjqaPPwtazAJhgxzQenApK3nUckqpOg/SYNFs8 tZPKF+viDswS/0uPW36cxfVAtWNqDmdebaH+0QTg23itIGdE+n/czxLJep5OjNqFKdvH u/ZGBYyvnkEZhvTX1i4EuK2k31gxOGdUfZ9PrZthNSwn+WoZ4nGmZv7dOVGL+3agwpWA 3plOZKzC3zlFVcKRNharUqFcZmrmXFsVTfqgrsoy2ybe5r4gW19Vdg97gwCgDbKTft6h 9pNQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 13:44:14 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: cheap sampler (w/ vari-speed control?) From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0418264c71bf3b04c0cca347 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 18:44:15 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0418264c71bf3b04c0cca347 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ok all this talk of "cheap samplers" does anyone know of any "cheap samplers" that have vari-speed option (ability to slow down or speed up samples?) my sampler experience is very limited: dod d12 (had four 6-sec samples, didn't do vari-speed but you could add LFO option to it) gemini 1224 (or something like that-dj sampler-had like a 1 sec, 2, sec, 4 sec and 12 sec sample. did have a pitch control which sort of did the same thing i guess) didn't have good output (rca ins/outs) had both korg kaoss pad 1,2, mini.... my memory is that 1,2 you couldn't play over the samples (i guess us guitarists like to play over things) i currently have a behringer thing, that also has a pitch control option. (also uses rca ins/outs) i know a while back i was looking at one of the korg electribe units (i think it's the es-1 unit)...i think i was sort of afraid of it, b/c it looked like a spaceship controls (i'm a dumb guitar player) just curious if anyone had any suggestions.... i realize this may be hard b/c it appears the DJ/sampler world has gone all software/laptop computers.... s--- --f46d0418264c71bf3b04c0cca347 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ok all this talk of "cheap samplers"

does anyone know of a= ny "cheap samplers" that have vari-speed option (ability to slow = down or speed up samples?)

my sampler experience is very limited: dod d12 (had four 6-sec samples, didn't do vari-speed but you could add= LFO option to it)
gemini 1224 (or something like that-dj sampler-had li= ke a 1 sec, 2, sec, 4 sec and 12 sec sample. did have a pitch control which= sort of did the same thing i guess) didn't have good output (rca ins/o= uts)
had both korg kaoss pad 1,2, mini.... my memory is that 1,2 you couldn'= t play over the samples (i guess us guitarists like to play over things)
i currently have a behringer thing, that also has a pitch control opti= on. (also uses rca ins/outs)

i know a while back i was looking at one of the korg electribe units (i= think it's the es-1 unit)...i think i was sort of afraid=A0 of it, b/c= it looked like a spaceship controls (i'm a dumb guitar player)

just curious if anyone had any suggestions....

i realize this may be= hard b/c it appears the DJ/sampler world has gone all software/laptop comp= uters....

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--f46d0418264c71bf3b04c0cca347-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 18:55:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2489183460; Thu, 24 May 2012 18:55:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=psWcb5N98119OaOi9bjyg15qVElTHlpKZyP+LUQnThs= c=1 sm=1 a=5sGzfhBocksA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=1mPEbzcIwNq/5QazqZV7BA==:17 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=Q2cl03vyEyYA15eiFGQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=bjlrTh-1INpPE2vv:21 a=wPpdXDwn31iGdIO3:21 a=1mPEbzcIwNq/5QazqZV7BA==:117 X-Auth-id: dGhldG95cm9vbUBjaGFydGVyLm5ldA== Subject: Re: cheap sampler (w/ vari-speed control?) References: From: Richard Atkinson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8A306) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <7699D083-E5D2-4F6E-B41D-4D05514F9B81@charter.net> Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 11:51:43 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8A306) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 18:55:22 +0000 (UTC) Yes, the korg es-1 is a good candidate for what u want. It's a fun machine. Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2012, at 11:44 AM, Scott Hansen wrote: > ok all this talk of "cheap samplers" >=20 > does anyone know of any "cheap samplers" that have vari-speed option (abil= ity to slow down or speed up samples?) >=20 > my sampler experience is very limited: > dod d12 (had four 6-sec samples, didn't do vari-speed but you could add LFO= option to it) > gemini 1224 (or something like that-dj sampler-had like a 1 sec, 2, sec, 4= sec and 12 sec sample. did have a pitch control which sort of did the same t= hing i guess) didn't have good output (rca ins/outs) > had both korg kaoss pad 1,2, mini.... my memory is that 1,2 you couldn't p= lay over the samples (i guess us guitarists like to play over things) >=20 > i currently have a behringer thing, that also has a pitch control option. (= also uses rca ins/outs) >=20 > i know a while back i was looking at one of the korg electribe units (i th= ink it's the es-1 unit)...i think i was sort of afraid of it, b/c it looked= like a spaceship controls (i'm a dumb guitar player) >=20 > just curious if anyone had any suggestions.... >=20 > i realize this may be hard b/c it appears the DJ/sampler world has gone al= l software/laptop computers.... >=20 > s--- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 20:09:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0C5818345A; Thu, 24 May 2012 20:09:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FBE955F.10508@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 13:09:03 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Johannes Korn CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: More flexible electronic music setup References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 20:09:12 +0000 (UTC) On 5/23/12 11:11 PM, Johannes Korn wrote: > Rat doesn't work too well for use with a synthesizer (your mileage may > vary). I love to use a Big Muff for that. I second this recommendation and also concur with Matt about his Digitech DF-7 Distortion Factory. In the distortion world for guitarists, there are many fantastic solutions for fuzz, distortion, overdrives and feedback pedals and I think most serious guitarists would probably look down their respective noses at the few muti-distortion pedals that feature digital models of famous distortion boxes (Ibanez Tube Screamer, EH Big Muff, Pro Co Rat, Dunlop Fuzz Face, etc.) but Digitech and Boss's two distortion modellers are particularly effective for use on keyboard sounds, precisely because they have a huge variety of sounds. I have all the famous historical distortions and fuzzes in my collection and can say that the digital models are not perfect, but I far prefer them when I am effecting human voice, any kind of mic-ed acoustic sounds or keyboard sounds for their sheer versatility. The Digitech DF-7 even has all of it's models arranged from the most low midrangey sounding to the most trebly sounding so you can use the model switcher to do very hip sweeps of distortion from mid to highs with a very cool little discreet square wave of silence thrown in between each sound for glitch-tastic fun. And, as Johannes points out, some of these distortion stomp box pedals actually don't sound good on keyboards (notably the Pro Co Rat which is a wonderful distortion pedal for guitar). Finally, the best distortion sounds I've ever heard was at a recent Wire concert. His sound design was just amazing and extremely varied throughout the night. I went up to check out his rack of pricey botique pedals and was astonished to see a Line 6 XL multi effects pedal board as his ONLY effects. He just go in there with his digital distortions and customized the crap out of them. It sounded amazing. So, use your ears with whatever you end up using and you'll find some good stuff in most pedals. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 20:32:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67D4B18345B; Thu, 24 May 2012 20:32:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=W1gB+DyTq23C2y3GVzNlyzh5yZrFeAlwvrGKmOmqVtA=; b=SriFKjZwo49jGiIgz47Wt/lHczqoGbL6rjQXRwjAb9YpTfezmLwbXnfEEcfwdSP7yn cDSON0lcz64VCZxFr4QGjOBrXZFP3wu1U6K3ntKcAGZHC32RHLNrDOg4adKhduSghjMH os7xq9Sy7xdPokRpjjaSoeOv3fZ8n7HtZxveThIcrMtTRbt+bhy5o4SS20t0lA0VkNfU mMwIJGCLwjgmSN12xf7OZ8CIGkzI4DcR6UACZIwFy+cp62PhGdyAH+DUPGtstk6dNpdS cuGCceRxgyB/vbRLHprnBP3kbtAE6C1eYCgG+4Kd8uMkMvue0TnORAbN0pg02sRp7AoH OREg== Message-ID: <4FBE9AFB.7030907@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 22:32:59 +0200 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cheap sampler (w/ vari-speed control?) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 20:32:58 +0000 (UTC) Am 24.05.2012 20:44, schrieb Scott Hansen: > ok all this talk of "cheap samplers" > > does anyone know of any "cheap samplers" that have vari-speed option > (ability to slow down or speed up samples?) Actually, the vast majority of samplers have a varispeed option, the only exception being simple phrase samplers. Rule of thumb: anything which has a keyboard or usually gets connected to a keyboard via MIDI has the vari-speed option (that's how they work). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 24 23:35:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EAF8A18345D; Thu, 24 May 2012 23:35:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FBEBFBE.9080502@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 19:09:50 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 23:35:13 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Broekhuis, Keller, and Schonwalder. The Featured CD at Midnight will be disk two from "Live @ Dorfkirche Repelen 2" on Manikin Records. The Focus page is at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#may Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 25 17:02:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57F9118345E; Fri, 25 May 2012 17:02:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=M19flvOai6myid3weg58swCNZDisdykYxYTIdXOHpwg=; b=vbxS56j8F9pPbEQ2a02Ud0VBwgyjMhwnt+9x5jR8KgKyHpbLtgVm/rli/oxyE3hejO nKIN3Oabth38OBW6fniJvnXpRwOi8ljP862mhl+MwVGP50G+POvKoxPUt20NxON94h73 aMh3R/IaNW9Z/XX/cB+i75WdI48DKAKKuAs6ZtCSzuo/sDQZTHr2YhanSxK0bQHXjfm4 tyNCBoQWG19H7gZwAQ1AJzwC3Rf0Kkgj6hDPVhsh4Ye3/SLoRVC9wWYLmIHSslFNu0r2 l5zNiiB7g594iFbdf72c51fovLdk3mVs1QjRK6iWCqHDW/7YI09D8/h73VOSMY+tQ3r1 uy8A== Message-ID: <4FBFBB0F.3030404@googlemail.com> Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 19:02:07 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: More flexible electronic music setup References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 17:02:19 +0000 (UTC) Matt Davignon schrieb: > I have a youtube video describing my rig here: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ELCrrMdphk&feature=relmfu > Hey Matt, I thoroughly enjoyed this "gear spotting video", mainly because, unlike other presentations in that domain, it only focusses on the gear to the extent necessary, but not more. If I followed it right, the only thing mentioned by name is the "Dr. Sample", the others are just "filter, distortion" etc. And it sounds fun. Nice! Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 25 17:19:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB1E3183453; Fri, 25 May 2012 17:19:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=C8FCwwgZdQma8A9oFXnry6dLSpQ2HII43rDjxjX89hM=; b=GZL4dPnVJqnqNM3yoHvQKvJsiS+Vzo5t5nQkAWDUsEedY1p8YwptgCufFv47YfMXYM rWndwFB3IhV+CJ2ueaKCZwBHiFIpYsoDecQh2q/kYs6xpIyVo1cYChY8/YLiuXzw4r+0 fFOn8ACm5rB4DuOgHJrG2CDoK5KVeV1k2roTqsDoQ+/1Z81DF6kcJ+5Rl9rXQ99L0oA1 hroTu9HobASj2e3JqC7fGJ2rIbyDB5HpxoWGmMGSQfemrIBm4rnRO52uhFHr4HJxS8se htwu3Pxk2DD0Ba7BvfCjbarTsLIMfjprrJ+UkbyOaZr36nW/LZfxQRzL6XVt3USOUYIt c1IQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: todd reynolds Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 13:18:56 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: More flexible electronic music setup To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04016b2d952efa04c0df9219 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 17:19:37 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04016b2d952efa04c0df9219 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey Matt, that is phenomenal! what a great rig you've got and what great sounds you get with it! Really, love love love it. Listen, I have an HR-16 sitting around here that I NEVER use. Do you need a backup? is there a more general market for these old beauties? All best, T. ===================== I have a youtube video describing my rig here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ELCrrMdphk&feature=relmfu This rig is all about taking a midi-based instrument (a drum machine) and creating a wide variety of sounds from it, especially in an improvised music context. --f46d04016b2d952efa04c0df9219 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Matt, =A0that is phenomenal! =A0what a great rig you've got and wha= t great sounds you get with it! =A0Really, love love love it. =A0

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--f46d04016b2d952efa04c0df9219-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 25 17:54:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A994183461; Fri, 25 May 2012 17:54:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=5YmzZal9Y6p3h9bPSa3UqnKzvuiUZraXw7TJ5JhV40g=; b=m8IlP3O8jYZv4ZSkxULBC6MldmYxe+P+CObY3ILbfSnrXdj/18WjLC9klY615vzoeb MLX5xxXRiTkX/gsSOqWv+ICSizbTB9se3G77ZuCE0qBIzHz9yscjeVm6lDGjLYT4MSqP AyzPpjKLmwLb3J6UMebhei6dQPgoHA8LQyJP8ChWusCGKZX+bs44STe1pXCmDEIQsZ0/ VGG2Wno4oLAuT8thNvv17egkqBNfR03XOuBe1nQAKLDxXmAfrddrsPWnZ8X+O9z+IcWe LLI2Rajmk6OGdKVzltWIQv69tL6eg9FIdsDxuEp/rrRYAxvDGcUEr0DQHyd7a6udpnku A81Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FBFBB0F.3030404@googlemail.com> References: <4FBFBB0F.3030404@googlemail.com> Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 10:54:20 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: More flexible electronic music setup From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 17:54:21 +0000 (UTC) Rainer Straschill was all: > I thoroughly enjoyed this "gear spotting video", mainly because, unlike > other presentations in that domain, it only focusses on the gear to the > extent necessary, but not more. If I followed it right, the only thing > mentioned by name is the "Dr. Sample", the others are just "filter, > distortion" etc. > > And it sounds fun. > > Nice! Thanks Rainer! I finally caught on, and listed the gear in the information text for the video. I often have some hesitation about naming my gear - for a couple reasons: 1) Pure selfishness: A lot of the gear has been discontinued. (The best gear often is!) If I contribute to the gear being more popular, I decrease the chances of finding a replacement on ebay when something breaks. 2) I think the most important part of building a rig is finding stuff that fills YOUR musical needs. I tend to think of the devices as elements of a modular synthesizer. Rather than saying "buy THIS tremolo", I'd rather say, "Try a few tremolos, and buy the one that does what you want." Of course, when it comes to things like tremolos, I've come across some real turds. Todd Reynolds was like: >Hey Matt, that is phenomenal! what a great rig you've got and what great sounds you >get with it! Really, love love love it. > >Listen, I have an HR-16 sitting around here that I NEVER use. Do you need a >backup? is there a more general market for these old beauties? Thanks - that means a lot coming from the Todd Reynolds :) I'm kinda stuck on the BOSS DR-660 and DR-770. They have a drumroll button. I'm used to how they treat building and tuning drum kits. They also have the pads and dials arranged in a more ergonomically correct way, which allows me to play a drumroll and change a setting at the same time, with the same hand. If anyone wants to send me one of those, I'd be good to have a spare. I don't know what kind of market there is for drum machines these days. Most of the electronic & hip-hop folks have since moved on to either MPC samplers or software from what I can tell. The only other experimental drum machinist I know of - Ikue Mori - switched to laptop computer at about the time I was getting started. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 25 18:08:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 413FA183462; Fri, 25 May 2012 18:07:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=4sFjOQpK3NKn1V6IbktBXfYprrqIJCfV5J53VyqslOo=; b=AZqb5lZaOAl9aQNUk9uOT+LvqKxs3xFbP3qjYs029KxGnwkJkW5ugiDmPWjOBWeHFK uSR1ulyvT4Fy1/J51TKHXK6lPXGhLt6CHytoZgcESY/Zc9GWd9RUFlGOU6IOa21mu0k4 qQUD/EWgRJ1jluO8VlzeCHCuTZRuVkujMw7FY5FxDKOXNP7xShKo1o3JuPaV07UOHSiL ysSvMI2msvH/jIRn2iOQv8nIqUptB0Pnc6bVOMT3oKkAm58nazpFn3r28bFQK9E5mY43 GVcAid514J6nzYH/BIyftfe6kY4MfLkZtKxFYYHDR2Pu/qeqOkVlOlU/sR4Ow8/gGjGK 3CeA== Subject: Re: More flexible electronic music setup References: <4FBFBB0F.3030404@googlemail.com> From: Todd Reynolds Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8EEC014B-CA6B-4C67-A0EA-57FD5EC4B861 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 14:07:55 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 18:07:59 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-8EEC014B-CA6B-4C67-A0EA-57FD5EC4B861 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have my numbers mixed up. What I have is what u have. Sent from my iPhone > > --Apple-Mail-8EEC014B-CA6B-4C67-A0EA-57FD5EC4B861 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
I have my numbers mixed up. What I have is what u have. 

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--Apple-Mail-8EEC014B-CA6B-4C67-A0EA-57FD5EC4B861-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 25 22:27:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAF5C183460; Fri, 25 May 2012 22:27:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FC0073A.3030701@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 15:27:06 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: a Parenthetical Story about the HR-16 was More flexible electronic music setup References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 22:27:13 +0000 (UTC) On 5/25/12 10:18 AM, todd reynolds wrote: > > Listen, I have an HR-16 sitting around here that I NEVER use. Do you > need a backup? is there a more general market for these old beauties? What I loved about the HR-16 was that it had real time tuning onboard with a slider that allowed you to do very cool things. It's successor the SR-16 (at the time) had much better midi implementation and better sounds but wasn't nearly as fun as a real time instrument. I remember doing a recording session with Grammy Award winning producer, Malcom Cecil (for the first four solo Stevie Wonder records) where we tracked for two days with a 'state of the art' $5,000, 12-bit D-Drum sampled electronic drum set and tossed all the tracks out and started over because this inexpensive 16-bit had just arrived at the studio. There was considerable latency in the video and I was using real cymbals so we had a computer operator who sat by me and hand corrected the latency so that the tracks sounded good. It was a bizarre situation because I was playing the cymbals in real time, but attempting to play the kicks, snares and toms pretty far ahead of the beat to compensate for the latency. I thought "I'm in a new world" at that session. We tracked in Malcom's domed studio that housed his famous 'TONTO' modular synthesizer (which took up half the wall space in the studio). Malcom was a real gem to work with......a really nice and extremely knowldegeable man. Sadly, Stevie Wonder has tried to erase all mention of him from his recordings. Malcolm produced those records (I've seen the gold records on his wall with production credit) and was the person who turned Stevie onto the synthesizers. Stevie now makes it sound like he was the innovator there and the last time I checked I could find no mention of Malcolm's name on those first four brilliant albums. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 25 22:28:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8527D183477; Fri, 25 May 2012 22:28:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FC00775.7010209@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 15:28:05 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bill bigrig CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: More flexible electronic music setup References: <1337870475.57970.YahooMailNeo@web32506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1337870475.57970.YahooMailNeo@web32506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000504060302020706060607" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 22:28:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000504060302020706060607 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 5/24/12 7:41 AM, bill bigrig wrote: > Yes, listen to "Automobilr Noise" on The Blue Nile album, "A Walk > Across the Rooftops". You'll here a ton of kitchen implements. Also, > for it's time (1983), it was an album that sounded radically different > than anything that had been recorded before. Truly an experience in > the day. > rig I love and still own that record! rick walker --------------000504060302020706060607 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 5/24/12 7:41 AM, bill bigrig wrote:
Yes, listen to "Automobilr Noise" on The Blue Nile album, "A Walk Across the Rooftops". You'll here a ton of kitchen implements. Also, for it's time (1983), it was an album that sounded radically different than anything that had been recorded before. Truly an experience in the day.
rig
I love and still own that record!

rick walker
 --------------000504060302020706060607-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 25 22:39:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C610E183481; Fri, 25 May 2012 22:39:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=J4CzYHksQe7uybCgpZLtV5iC5t3OgxxFUnlV9Pftp3k=; b=GQwA8ynCekAGWHXCTyA2a0t+RGp8sgdmba3HTQwxgwhdVnZtZllel+O3inWcwE4Dcr 3R1EdwkS5JIZBkgitrXbDFiByvOJFz3/2gTg2OdDcQnAeQwyPiB7d/DcS1V84Eg2iXYQ LOZBvr7VpNGdXx+3to3Z8PMCQZ4nEKU/M3sBFID1QFjrC1nd4TVp6RuzkVh6xzqMKRIj 0AHSpxMolZaD6sXzz9QW/3WK5Eg/10QTk5T/qkQ/TkCQH4XYg0Ke9KbIumXWM56FxnqD FnHO47i3jXDq19Fe4b8ArXScRCIlNWLIXnPkd7OZs3+7plFTR4Y2aukfh/lfajkEfzhB WGkg== Subject: Re: More flexible electronic music setup Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-22-1048606074 From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: <4FC00775.7010209@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 15:39:35 -0700 Cc: bill bigrig Message-Id: References: <1337870475.57970.YahooMailNeo@web32506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4FC00775.7010209@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 22:39:39 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-22-1048606074 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ditto. Love that stuff :) On May 25, 2012, at 3:28 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 5/24/12 7:41 AM, bill bigrig wrote: >>=20 >> Yes, listen to "Automobilr Noise" on The Blue Nile album, "A Walk = Across the Rooftops". You'll here a ton of kitchen implements. Also, for = it's time (1983), it was an album that sounded radically different than = anything that had been recorded before. Truly an experience in the day.=20= >> rig > I love and still own that record! >=20 > rick walker --Apple-Mail-22-1048606074 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Ditto. Love that stuff :)

On May 25, 2012, at 3:28 PM, Rick Walker wrote:

On 5/24/12 7:41 AM, bill bigrig wrote:
Yes, listen to "Automobilr Noise" on The Blue Nile album, "A Walk Across the Rooftops". You'll here a ton of kitchen implements. Also, for it's time (1983), it was an album that sounded radically different than anything that had been recorded before. Truly an experience in the day.
rig
I love and still own that record!

rick walker

--Apple-Mail-22-1048606074-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 26 02:48:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80C5D18345C; Sat, 26 May 2012 02:48:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FC04462.7050509@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 22:48:02 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Thought Radio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 02:48:06 +0000 (UTC) THOUGHT RADIO: http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio ======================================================================= My next stint on Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show, will be Saturday, May 26 at 6 am EDT/GMT-4. In Phase One, I will continue the special on Sequences Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. I host the show every other week. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 26 13:05:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59833183452; Sat, 26 May 2012 13:05:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qM9BUq0rXZ9eoaw8FFcDzjpwVqcWY0v1f7cDcqrFbmQ=; b=b/vpQTjsUEw8hct97JFyBvr8FgFGllaJSdQbnNCLco96rSxrEkRmzfOvObvjuMhA9m h7Id1Vj2z+fjzuzd9hvHNsXluaL160uv7fToRY7MsxBp2+m10xzxYmdBwZS4Ku+O8jQP IjoBIZiT5W06hqnJGw+ET1BgGZc0kbgF4HmFwi/AWN2QgpjccDuJErNPFj3/d63lWljO SvAxrewxsCMkhX6n9kQYvSxTpCS1iej+VomlzvYPJiww4fkS8ZfkYTSuCIacQcjGn3Oy jOIMai9Ya51Ri19ZmCK2SjqCAHBGLBuEsqKTVpgcClWPc6CEpEJ/E82NVzpI2t0vZ0Lo aVqg== Message-ID: <4FC0D515.3020808@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 15:05:25 +0200 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: in search for Raul Bonell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 13:05:17 +0000 (UTC) Hi everyone, sorry for the OT, but this is a community which might now: I have been in close email contact with (former?) list member Raul Bonell (Warr guitar/sax/piano looper from Spain) about a collaboration, then lost contact about March this year. Is anyone of you in contact with Raul and knows of his whereabouts? Raul, are you perhaps reading this yourself? Any info is highly appreciated! Yours, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 26 13:11:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B87718345D; Sat, 26 May 2012 13:11:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :x-priority:sensitivity:importance:subject:to:from:date:content-type :mime-version; bh=2jeiZsDxuWUCcKVfIKkdmF7WNRetLT9ySPmeOfE5ItY=; b=ZUPVsoYt1sMyH6f0ZGXQ9w/MptrQIhGvMHasIt5VyeCAb2mheJpg5LFsja+hmOEVFT iZNycj/9A1dOzm4xl3d98QnxSuZpZFa5ULhQaiuyUpJ0xOkpufviP/GLYDzWzFuGOLJ/ TJwu4bSWuYQQ9IHQAna3RVP2uZ+9cyjADeGfuhrfiH89cuPb7lbkXtKpVulacDQ5rgaF qO8fP6Bt89NT4xS4peqH9rMswGiivRVDc3B6XFOStchXrSSamgptbVgvgRUtRq5/fSnX 2YuQteEfmY+XORvRGYwsMh9LjA9KF/b7TXSAh0U7J9S3Mw6W8mG3ZiNKUMjSz3myyfPX hmgQ== X-rim-org-msg-ref-id:286264091 Message-ID:<286264091-1338037904-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-554007980-@b12.c28.bise6.blackberry> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Reply-To: jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com X-Priority: Normal Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal Subject: Re: OT: in search for Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 13:11:41 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 13:11:47 +0000 (UTC) UmFpbmVyIEkgdGhpbmsgSSBoYXZlIGhpcyBlbWFpbCwgd2lsbCBnZXQgYmFjayB0byB5b3UsICBq aW0NCi0tLS0tLU9yaWdpbmFsIE1lc3NhZ2UtLS0tLS0NCkZyb206IFJhaW5lciBUaGVsb25pdXMg QmFsdGhhc2FyIFN0cmFzY2hpbGwNClRvOiBMb29wZXJzLURlbGlnaHRAbG9vcGVycy1kZWxpZ2h0 LmNvbQ0KUmVwbHlUbzogTG9vcGVycy1EZWxpZ2h0QGxvb3BlcnMtZGVsaWdodC5jb20NClN1Ympl Y3Q6IE9UOiBpbiBzZWFyY2ggZm9yIFJhdWwgQm9uZWxsDQpTZW50OiBNYXkgMjYsIDIwMTIgOTow NSBBTQ0KDQpIaSBldmVyeW9uZSwNCg0Kc29ycnkgZm9yIHRoZSBPVCwgYnV0IHRoaXMgaXMgYSBj b21tdW5pdHkgd2hpY2ggbWlnaHQgbm93Og0KDQpJIGhhdmUgYmVlbiBpbiBjbG9zZSBlbWFpbCBj b250YWN0IHdpdGggKGZvcm1lcj8pIGxpc3QgbWVtYmVyIFJhdWwgDQpCb25lbGwgKFdhcnIgZ3Vp dGFyL3NheC9waWFubyBsb29wZXIgZnJvbSBTcGFpbikgYWJvdXQgYSBjb2xsYWJvcmF0aW9uLCAN CnRoZW4gbG9zdCBjb250YWN0IGFib3V0IE1hcmNoIHRoaXMgeWVhci4NCg0KSXMgYW55b25lIG9m IHlvdSBpbiBjb250YWN0IHdpdGggUmF1bCBhbmQga25vd3Mgb2YgaGlzIHdoZXJlYWJvdXRzPyAN ClJhdWwsIGFyZSB5b3UgcGVyaGFwcyByZWFkaW5nIHRoaXMgeW91cnNlbGY/DQoNCkFueSBpbmZv IGlzIGhpZ2hseSBhcHByZWNpYXRlZCENCg0KWW91cnMsDQoNCiAgICAgICAgICAgICBSYWluZXIN Cg0KDQpTZW50IG9uIHRoZSBTcHJpbnSuIE5vdyBOZXR3b3JrIGZyb20gbXkgQmxhY2tCZXJyea4= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 27 20:44:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A48818345C; Sun, 27 May 2012 20:44:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=fqZO9Qoo6OpogrgvPkJalUOWcfDSfcq+HWVozZFWbzA=; b=UI9AKyBOyGshviyJtybwifTWbgwqRcvux01mmj9Fk5BZjiibdUrblBktUi5dG62rkk wMvAUS3cZi0oj302qB0MzQlX+TLkDzw46kk3VBgNgNFVri9vBO/Ma3bFbwdcquRJ8Wl6 b0Ez8H6LTKVZRvIgP2xVprQLfS8nnOodm/l8D2Fi4msJyFZggWE4+b8LuPAhNKu0pxNH 1s7dUbS1FBUL0F0x0qGcDqrOvB0428SoQUSv5xt/HcomsK9lntnZrI5G4VGR+yEvYcxn dfLnAUaJw1Lh0tCqvVLqoSblOwPRjEvHn+RkPd7PNHKYE8ynxXAZTXy/I4v38xVLhiF8 Dv/Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 16:44:35 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: MZ9KSUt1Y5cjWNNibEs3d_kbL6U Message-ID: Subject: Tom Swirly goes to Berlin From: Tom Swirly To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf303bfad055a84504c10aab48 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 20:44:36 +0000 (UTC) --20cf303bfad055a84504c10aab48 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hello, Loopers of the Universe! I'm off to Berlin, and I'm bringing my rig with me (and some fancy lights too). I'll be there for three months (Jun 1 - September 1) and will also be travelling around Europe somewhat during the time. I'm looking for musicians to jam with, and I'll also be looking to book gigs starting from July 1 - also looking for venues to see loopy, electronic, experimental or underground music, in Berlin, in Germany, or neighboring countries. loop on! -- /t http://tom.swirly.com http://radio.swirly.com - art music radio 24/7 366/1000 --20cf303bfad055a84504c10aab48 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Loopers of the Universe!

I'm off to Berlin, a= nd I'm bringing my rig with me (and some fancy lights too). =C2=A0I'= ;ll be there for three months (Jun 1 - September 1) and will also be travel= ling around Europe somewhat during the time.

I'm looking for musicians to jam with, and I'll= also be looking to book gigs starting from July 1 - also looking for venue= s to see loopy, electronic, experimental or underground music, in Berlin, i= n Germany, or neighboring countries.


loop on!

-- =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 /t

http://tom= .swirly.com

http://rad= io.swirly.com - art music radio 24/7 366/1000
--20cf303bfad055a84504c10aab48-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 28 01:18:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADA3A18345C; Mon, 28 May 2012 01:18:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_9c53df3a-1a37-47c9-941d-dfb3b9ae2022_" X-Originating-IP: [92.231.13.229] From: Sergio G Sender: To: Subject: RE: Tom Swirly goes to Berlin Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 01:18:23 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 May 2012 01:18:24.0247 (UTC) FILETIME=[C711A070:01CD3C6F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 01:18:25 +0000 (UTC) --_9c53df3a-1a37-47c9-941d-dfb3b9ae2022_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cool!I live in Muenster (M=FCnster). It is not too far from Berlin. It is M= UCH smaller without being a village. Actually it is an universitary city wi= th lot of young people=2C clubs=2C bars.There is a group of musicians in Fa= cebook=2C who lives here. Look for Vinghee.I will be happy to jam with you = if you pass for here. I could also eventually host you for a time (I live i= n a shared flat with cool people. We have a chaotic guest room).Unfortunate= ly I still did not receive the Boomerang III (damn=2C I bought it in THe Ma= d Ape. Very good price=2C and good mood=2C but so much time! It is really t= oo much=2C I paid on 11th may!).But I am experimenting with the other "toys= " :)Let me know...Sergio Date: Sun=2C 27 May 2012 16:44:35 -0400 Subject: Tom Swirly goes to Berlin From: tom@swirly.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Hello=2C Loopers of the Universe! I'm off to Berlin=2C and I'm bringing my rig with me (and some fancy lights= too). I'll be there for three months (Jun 1 - September 1) and will also = be travelling around Europe somewhat during the time. I'm looking for musicians to jam with=2C and I'll also be looking to book g= igs starting from July 1 - also looking for venues to see loopy=2C electron= ic=2C experimental or underground music=2C in Berlin=2C in Germany=2C or ne= ighboring countries. loop on! --=20 /t http://tom..swirly.com http://radio.swirly.com - art music radio 24/7 366/1000 = --_9c53df3a-1a37-47c9-941d-dfb3b9ae2022_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Cool!
I live in Muenster (M=FCnster). It is not too far from Berlin. It= is MUCH smaller without being a village. Actually it is an universitary ci= ty with lot of young people=2C clubs=2C bars.
There is a group of= musicians in Facebook=2C who lives here. Look for Vinghee.
I wil= l be happy to jam with you if you pass for here. I could also eventually ho= st you for a time (I live in a shared flat with cool people. We have a = =3Bchaotic guest room).
Unfortunately I still did not receive the= Boomerang III (damn=2C I bought it in THe Mad Ape. Very good price=2C and = good mood=2C but so much time! It is really too much=2C I paid on 11th may!= ).
But I am experimenting with the other "toys" :)
Let = me know...
Sergio

Date: Sun=2C 27 May 2012 16:44:35 -0400
Subje= ct: Tom Swirly goes to Berlin
From: tom@swirly.com
To: loopers-deligh= t@loopers-delight.com

Hello=2C Loopers of the Universe!

I'm off to Berlin=2C and I'm bringing my rig with me (and some fancy= lights too).  =3BI'll be there for three months (Jun 1 - September 1) = and will also be travelling around Europe somewhat during the time.

I'm looking for musicians to jam with=2C and I'll also = be looking to book gigs starting from July 1 - also looking for venues to s= ee loopy=2C electronic=2C experimental or underground music=2C in Berlin=2C= in Germany=2C or neighboring countries.


loop on!

--  =3B  =3B =3B /t

http://tom..swirly.com

http://radio.swirly.com - art music ra= dio 24/7 366/1000
= --_9c53df3a-1a37-47c9-941d-dfb3b9ae2022_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 28 03:47:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21A57183461; Mon, 28 May 2012 03:47:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Tom Swirly goes to Berlin References: From: Antony Hequet Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-28--909731222 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <9B9C5108-0558-4A67-9490-6C5B8C281A56@orange.fr> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 05:00:02 +0200 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8J2) X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8J2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 03:47:05 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-28--909731222 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am on my way to Berlin right now. Will be there for ten days. Havevmy voic= e and some blues harps! Antony Hequet Poet composer On 27 mai 2012, at 22:44, Tom Swirly wrote: > Hello, Loopers of the Universe! >=20 > I'm off to Berlin, and I'm bringing my rig with me (and some fancy lights t= oo). I'll be there for three months (Jun 1 - September 1) and will also be t= ravelling around Europe somewhat during the time. >=20 > I'm looking for musicians to jam with, and I'll also be looking to book gi= gs starting from July 1 - also looking for venues to see loopy, electronic, e= xperimental or underground music, in Berlin, in Germany, or neighboring coun= tries. >=20 >=20 > loop on! >=20 > --=20 > /t >=20 > http://tom.swirly.com >=20 > http://radio.swirly.com - art music radio 24/7 366/1000 --Apple-Mail-28--909731222 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
I am on my way to Berlin right now. Will be there for ten days. Havevmy voice and some blues harps!

Antony Hequet
Poet composer

On 27 mai 2012, at 22:44, Tom Swirly <tom@swirly.com> wrote:

Hello, Loopers of the Universe!

I'm off to Berlin, and I'm bringing my rig with me (and some fancy lights too).  I'll be there for three months (Jun 1 - September 1) and will also be travelling around Europe somewhat during the time.

I'm looking for musicians to jam with, and I'll also be looking to book gigs starting from July 1 - also looking for venues to see loopy, electronic, experimental or underground music, in Berlin, in Germany, or neighboring countries.


loop on!

--
     /t

http://tom.swirly.com

http://radio.swirly.com - art music radio 24/7 366/1000
--Apple-Mail-28--909731222-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 28 08:48:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8C0B183460; Mon, 28 May 2012 08:48:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 10:48:53 +0200 (CEST) From: antony hequet Reply-To: antony hequet To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <1436050501.10547.1338194933677.JavaMail.www@wwinf1f25> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: re: Tom Swirly goes to Berlin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10546_14779358.1338194933675" X-Originating-IP: [93.220.116.110] X-WUM-FROM: |~| X-WUM-TO: |~| X-WUM-REPLYTO: |~| Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 08:48:55 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_10546_14779358.1338194933675 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello Tom, =C2=A0 I landed in Berlin this morning. contact me off list antony.hequet@yahoo.fr= or tel +33 676 24 62 64 =C2=A0 Antony > Message du 27/05/12 22:44 > De : "Tom Swirly"=20 > A : "Loopers-Delight"=20 > Copie =C3=A0 :=20 > Objet : Tom Swirly goes to Berlin >=20 > Hello, Loopers of the Universe! > I'm off to Berlin, and I'm bringing my rig with me (and some fancy lights t= oo). =C2=A0I'll be there for three months (Jun 1 - September 1) and will al= so be travelling around Europe somewhat during the time. > I'm looking for musicians to jam with, and I'll also be looking to book gig= s starting from July 1 - also looking for venues to see loopy, electronic, = experimental or underground music, in Berlin, in Germany, or neighboring co= untries. > > loop on! > --=20 > =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 /t >=20 > http://tom.swirly.com > http://radio.swirly.com - art music radio 24/7 366/1000 > ------=_Part_10546_14779358.1338194933675 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

hello Tom,

 

I landed in Berlin this morning. contact me off list antony.hequet@yahoo.fr or tel +33 676 24 62 64

 

Antony




> Message du 27/05/12 22:44
> De : "Tom Swirly"
> A : "Loopers-Delight"
> Copie à :
> Objet : Tom Swirly goes to Berlin
>
> Hello, Loopers of the Universe!

>
I'm off to Berlin, and I'm bringing my rig with me (and some fancy lights too).  I'll be there for three months (Jun 1 - September 1) and will also be travelling around Europe somewhat during the time.

>
I'm looking for musicians to jam with, and I'll also be looking to book gigs starting from July 1 - also looking for venues to see loopy, electronic, experimental or underground music, in Berlin, in Germany, or neighboring countries.

>

>
loop on!

>
--
>      /t
>
> http://tom.swirly.com

>
http://radio.swirly.com - art music radio 24/7 366/1000
>
------=_Part_10546_14779358.1338194933675-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 28 19:20:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AAD1218345E; Mon, 28 May 2012 19:20:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FC3CFF2.9010604@soundscapes.us> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 15:20:18 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #790 for May 24, 2012. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 19:20:23 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/120524.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #790 May 24, 2012. WDIY Playlist: http://wdiy.org/shows/playList.jsp?id=8850 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Broekhuis, Keller, and Schonwalder. The Featured CD at Midnight was disk two from "Live @ Dorfkirche Repelen 2" on Manikin Records. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/focus.html#may PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Dave Luxton Upon the Deep Singularity in Sound (Wayfarer) Divine Matrix 1000 Light Years Atmospheric Variations (A.D. Music) AeTopus Coaster Between Empires (12 TON) AeTopus The Gate Between Empires (12 TON) Shane Morris & Jurassic Dawn Epoch (Lotuspike) Mystified Broekhuis, Keller, Return To the Live @ Dorfkirche Repelen 2 and Schonwalder Beginning disk two (Manikin) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Broekhuis, Keller, Deeper Silence Live @ Dorfkirche Repelen 2 and Schonwalder disk two (Manikin) Broekhuis, Keller, Klaus, Where Are Live @ Dorfkirche Repelen 2 and Schonwalder You? disk two (Manikin) Broekhuis, Keller, Another Magic Moment Live @ Dorfkirche Repelen 2 and Schonwalder disk two (Manikin) Broekhuis, Keller, Cut & Paste Live @ Dorfkirche Repelen 2 and Schonwalder disk two (Manikin) Broekhuis, Keller, Raughi's Song Live @ Dorfkirche Repelen 2 and Schonwalder disk two (Manikin) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Broekhuis, Keller, and Schonwalder. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Red" on Manikin Records. Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org/listen on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 28 23:45:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09B7B183461; Mon, 28 May 2012 23:45:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0018210142==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120528234513.27556.53032.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 19:45:14 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: computer programming and audio loops Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 23:45:02 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0018210142== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello!=20Have=20any=20of=20you=20ever=20used=20a=20computer=20programming= =20language=20to=20loop=20an=20audio=20file,=20or=20 to=20make=20your=20own=20little=20loop=20app? Tyler=20Z --===============0018210142==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 29 04:25:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9ADA518345D; Tue, 29 May 2012 04:25:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2624 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 29 May 2012 04:25:48 UTC References: <20120528234513.27556.53032.levelstar.mail@everest> In-Reply-To: <20120528234513.27556.53032.levelstar.mail@everest> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: computer programming and audio loops Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 22:41:47 -0500 To: Tyler X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - slmp-550-64.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <8yCaxD.A.0TE.N_ExPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 04:25:50 +0000 (UTC) Yes, it's fun! Are you interested in looper programming? On May 28, 2012, at 6:45 PM, Tyler wrote: > Hello! Have any of you ever used a computer programming language to = loop an audio file, or=20 > to make your own little loop app? > Tyler Z >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 29 04:38:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E4EC183453; Tue, 29 May 2012 04:38:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0018210142==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120529043844.4919.53032.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 00:38:51 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: computer programming and audio loops Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 04:38:30 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0018210142== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On=20Mon,=2028=20May=202012=2022:41:47=20-0500,=20Jeff=20Larson=20wrote: >Yes,=20it's=20fun!=20=20Are=20you=20interested=20in=20looper=20programming? > >On=20May=2028,=202012,=20at=206:45=20PM,=20Tyler=20wrote: > >>Hello!=20Have=20any=20of=20you=20ever=20used=20a=20computer=20programming= =20language=20to=20loop=20an=20 >>audio=20file,=20or=20 >>to=20make=20your=20own=20little=20loop=20app? >>Tyler=20Z >> --===============0018210142==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 29 04:40:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2049F18345B; Tue, 29 May 2012 04:40:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0018210142==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120529044035.5029.53032.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 00:40:37 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: Re: computer programming and audio loops Resent-Message-ID: <3c8RRB.A.aqE.NNFxPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 04:40:45 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0018210142== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oops!=20That=20last=20one=20was=20a=20mistake.=20I=20use=20Javascript=20for= =20looping.=20I=20made=20an=20app=20that=20will=20 run=20in=20every=20modern=20(JS=20supporting)=20browser.=20It's=20called=20= Soundlap,=20and=20it's=20up=20for=20beta-testing. Tyler=20Z On=20Mon,=2028=20May=202012=2022:41:47=20-0500,=20Jeff=20Larson=20wrote: >Yes,=20it's=20fun!=20=20Are=20you=20interested=20in=20looper=20programming? > >On=20May=2028,=202012,=20at=206:45=20PM,=20Tyler=20wrote: > >>Hello!=20Have=20any=20of=20you=20ever=20used=20a=20computer=20programming= =20language=20to=20loop=20an=20 >>audio=20file,=20or=20 >>to=20make=20your=20own=20little=20loop=20app? >>Tyler=20Z >> --===============0018210142==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 29 04:57:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14341183460; Tue, 29 May 2012 04:57:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0018210142==" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120529045739.5064.53032.levelstar.mail@everest> Sender: Tyler Reply-to: Tyler From: Tyler Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 00:57:42 -0400 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Subject: reminder and instructions for the Looper's Delight / Live Looping Conference 2012 Resent-Message-ID: <0v7BG.A.75E.ycFxPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 04:57:22 +0000 (UTC) Unable to read this email, please upgrage your mail client --===============0018210142== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello,=20everybody!=20As=20you=20hopefully=20recall,=20we=20announced=20The= =20Looper's=20Delight=20/=20 Live=20Looping=20Conference,=20with=20instructions=20on=20how=20to=20call= =20and=20sign=20in,=20earlier=20this=20month.=20Well,=20this=20 is=20a=20reminder,=20for=20those=20of=20you=20who=20forgot.=20Below=20are= =20the=20instructions=20and=20time. The=20Looper's=20Delight=20/=20Live=20Looping=20Conference=202012=20will=20= be=20held=20on=20Saturday,=20June=20 2,=202012,=20from=202:00=20PM=20to=205:00=20PM,=20US=20Eastern=20Time.=20It= =20is=20put=20together=20using=20 Conversation=20Station.=20This=20is=20how=20you=20log=20in: Dial=20the=20Conversation=20Station=20system=20at=20this=20phone=20number:= =20616-883-2999.=20You=20will=20hear=20a=20train-like=20 sound.=20If=20you=20don't=20want=20to=20hear=20advertising=20and=20other=20= nonsense,=20which=20is=20most=20likely,=20press=20Pound.=20 The=20machine=20will=20tell=20you,=20"Press=201=20for=20live=20rooms."=20Th= is=20is=20a=20live=20chat=20room,=20so=20press=201.=20 It=20will=20tell=20you=20to=20enter=20the=20room=20code,=20then=20press=20P= ound.=20The=20Looper's=20Delight=20/=20Live=20 Looping=20Conference=20room=20code=20is=205667=20(which,=20on=20a=20phone,= =20spells=20"loop").=20So,=20dial=205667,=20 then=20press=20Pound.=20You=20should=20then=20hear=20a=20short=20recording= =20of=20my=20voice=20talking=20about=20Looper's=20Delight=20 and=20Live=20Looping.=20A=20machine=20will=20then=20tell=20you,=20"Please= =20say=20your=20name,=20then=20press=20Pound."=20Do=20so.=20 A=20machine=20will=20then=20tell=20you=20how=20many=20people=20are=20logged= =20in,=20then=20it=20will=20immediately=20log=20you=20in. You=20have=20successfully=20logged=20into=20the=20chat.=20You=20don't=20hav= e=20to=20log=20in=20at=202:00=20PM=20solid.=20Being=20a=20chat=20 room,=20we'll=20let=20you=20log=20in=20early,=20or=20log=20in=20late.=20If= =20you=20decide=20to=20log=20in=202=20hours=20into=20the=20 show=20(at=204:00=20PM),=20you=20can=20do=20that.=20Just=20remember,=20when= =20you=20want=20to=20leave,=20don't=20just=20hang=20up.=20Enter=20 the=20Conversation=20Station=20Leave=20command=20first,=20which=20is=20simp= ly=20pressing=200=20during=20the=20show.=20Hope=20to=20hear=20lots=20of=20 loop=20history,=20as=20well=20as=20lots=20of=20loops,=20at=20the=20conferen= ce! Tyler=20Z Tyler=20Zahnke=20of=20Prosomawi=20Media: http://prosomawi.editthis.info --===============0018210142==-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 29 13:51:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47E99183461; Tue, 29 May 2012 13:51:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=874t9NwaJrkkSIQQ5UhIxb9IBxaGa13+8ESPCAAuaCQ=; b=q9hJg+PaC6KxgtCi99saBgvlvhrpd4OpRHjD2OfDSBS6jmica7+KaCjGum2t4mjhLN VWIOuGzZmzbkneRkfyb6dwQDZoE4omj7aXvpAQGZI9nHP0eBjwr4FyGsnZIbS5tahgag xrS23lcTZkAT8e7sr6CIa2wXTD6ojS/JPKS4AJYJtpjdaP5XgkZupsT4f1eHgjiP5P6S f1VEe7sniH4SoQeZjsTAipMFv8BZL5fBZGP1iz02pggDnQeV6JHabVPTYzKB1AWmLw9e 0xnUQqUw3806Bt6axywjqM2vDJQIPFHyDjhMRlJ4OokMw9rU7qoaeDuRVcd7j/WdH73l Z05g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 14:51:55 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Multi-channel Granular Loops From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <9K_u3C.A.4EB.8RNxPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 13:51:57 +0000 (UTC) Hi Guys, Some granular looping etc. in this excerpt from the most recent multi-channel gig: http://youtu.be/PL-DNUQazRw Please enjoy! Ricky From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 29 15:05:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9EE0183460; Tue, 29 May 2012 15:05:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120529044035.5029.53032.levelstar.mail@everest> References: <20120529044035.5029.53032.levelstar.mail@everest> From: James Collin Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 10:05:13 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: computer programming and audio loops To: Tyler Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04451819cbf1ff04c12e2b27 X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:7GKkwsGsPTJ1+2UGk0Q1LSYZ/s+PrZn0IgkBGXD6zIY Vy8+JTbXx0vbQCeY0vsUj0pLuaZaaEjDO6PsnXmuUrwVnobRa2 0TvFVZ8KnCji0aVsvf09VygaWrOQQFQQGcREwuTw/U+n0B+VdD Z+63Vh7NxsoEBXc+TJGCff2Hp/KVMuRO58iJ0EMGuiAs1nQKkD hEym24VRAJT7gSZMjbGm62ZAFhkRGEyxUBtd72g4Ulec3O9vbV +MuA22KuiNCt4fOdvbOrItHgJqGZX26Ia++xycNfvJRSdCikmQ CR4jHfQF2iNh2Kj48hBvljv4TfxAN89nqC2VvliXFFBwcPSu5B M6jFoJFg59TYawORlMJDTmIQY58QITzoE/uhos9r4QEBKeYBqc v1VqbWr+qGJ4Xr8nEJH7ur6ufdeJKOaILbN7SSziofuYXy9W75 kJo7O Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 15:05:57 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04451819cbf1ff04c12e2b27 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I would be interested in being a beta tester, if you're looking for them. - J On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 11:40 PM, Tyler wrote: > Oops! That last one was a mistake. I use Javascript for looping. I made an > app that will > run in every modern (JS supporting) browser. It's called Soundlap, and > it's up for beta-testing. > Tyler Z > On Mon, 28 May 2012 22:41:47 -0500, Jeff Larson wrote: > > > >Yes, it's fun! Are you interested in looper programming? > > > >On May 28, 2012, at 6:45 PM, Tyler wrote: > > > >>Hello! Have any of you ever used a computer programming language to loop > an > >>audio file, or > >>to make your own little loop app? > >>Tyler Z > >> > > --f46d04451819cbf1ff04c12e2b27 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would be interested in being a beta tester, if you're looking for the= m.

- J

On Mon, May 28,= 2012 at 11:40 PM, Tyler <programmer651@comcast.net>= wrote:
Oops! That last one was a mistake. I use Jav= ascript for looping. I made an app that will
run in every modern (JS supporting) browser. It's called Soundlap, and = it's up for beta-testing.
Tyler Z
On Mon, 28 May 2012 22:41:47 -0500,= Jeff Larson wrote:


>Yes, it's fun! =A0Are you interested in looper programming?
>
>On May 28, 2012, at 6:45 PM, Tyler wrote:
>
>>Hello! Have any of you ever used a computer programming language to= loop an
>>audio file, or
>>to make your own little loop app?
>>Tyler Z
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--f46d04451819cbf1ff04c12e2b27-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 29 15:10:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EC37183461; Tue, 29 May 2012 15:10:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lGvmNosOHajqQKvjVV5v+NfZumjurSSxSWU55ZabyIs=; b=Xexp5/zNoWKnUZ+q22RXsDl0RnK7Bzfv8Q+aWLfXATry7NeCCaKlayzxBIJ8MA4LcA PWJ01xO7Kr0e2rMLtrlnq0OJxQISnZTLA3LBGjSOrnt9MtSYSTv6yw2zgr8K9qBkEMHh qeKl0Eg10eIV9FUMuMJcxX/0Jh5srfezZJ0fSRcEwJtjmYXnUn32Tqo9aUfUQ6ZFv7O8 UlRmQBOA9aooKfiuWQhdD4POvXNrLCl2bzyIxZcE0bRlWd123fWJA2NwC57OS3FYfMpJ /umg1wMiexq67OLtQ8kNmRitWtlTx6JQfKPfjfBZlAhkH4/mobTfoGDBa7SQTbdwtczQ UOFg== Message-ID: <4FC4E701.8040303@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 17:10:57 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Multi-channel Granular Loops References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 15:10:58 +0000 (UTC) Considering this is "granular" and "multi-channel", it sounds surprisingly beautiful ;). Fine work, maybe just because it doesn't sound granular... > Some granular looping etc. in this excerpt from the most recent > multi-channel gig: http://youtu.be/PL-DNUQazR -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 29 15:21:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BC7C183460; Tue, 29 May 2012 15:21:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=gOOvfFSJTa+naTooIIOY8mbixObXfxlxILwZORWmdCs=; b=FquPEM2CPPBQB5SAoFFra6ZiuesgavU9DkWWCvmgMXGOZoUVTLxX+p6zXuDxs0bxFH J1RF1LoUUMEv8COMLumhdTbw3h6988FToVMBHId4x1j1mo/gBh9rXO6tTncBjzV7O+WC gVsao3RW/0mnRvnuxFt9gam1akcZWogZg0JGdYJHPhO5mQ5qMtyqWJwHZN2HFAFBvhpi N44DT1NgFxON6HeLIKImwMKvCvmk995oTsdwsYuviOqK/ZPG/Bz4Dkh7UBYoImfDPq4+ KWYcEWaX/fg+jAu/LlIDzZDIgPaQVaAzuWQ5tNTop3GrUOs3crFz+/2qc8GpznE7s6ja HtvQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FC4E701.8040303@googlemail.com> References: <4FC4E701.8040303@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 16:21:03 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Multi-channel Granular Loops From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 15:21:05 +0000 (UTC) Yo! I am completely confused by your statement, Rainer :) The opening musical statement is quite granular?! A binaural rendering of the 8 channel array environment will sound stereo - maybe that is what you're alluding to? Thank you for listening! :) R On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > Considering this is "granular" and "multi-channel", it sounds surprisingly > beautiful ;). > > Fine work, maybe just because it doesn't sound granular... > >> Some granular looping etc. in this excerpt from the most recent >> multi-channel gig: http://youtu.be/PL-DNUQazR > > > > -- > http://moinlabs.de > Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 29 15:32:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CE60183460; Tue, 29 May 2012 15:32:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=S+KV2Pg3yKU+2HwPLY7P6hDZ0FXErcVrz9fRArLwy3c=; b=thbEsMahWPrV/bfOz02SI/AjkkKxbiTp7Z92WlsPBWanPuXyFVzXK7mHcxa641HerQ VYQRAodVEjA//VeKgO7A1/hzKaDmFN+28oBPgNG93Zf14rKQPC5DyZBDr27pT3CvqrOg JkPciiiikZn0hcb0pB1IjKgS0WBrQct6sKz+LoN1iUeMmoI/RDcI4fU4cPr90+adY5Vr j6h4BAjaMmc2iLARS6N688SRtYdseBtyGCi0xuDPeJ3d0Q9igufToOSeb2tQl8MXroFJ kXqagySF9HbEgaKmqA24O2jdv0df9jQwGQf/0UPs/DczJIUdn4tgol3Yf11JQYoniiS8 tJ4g== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20120529044035.5029.53032.levelstar.mail@everest> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 11:32:27 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: computer programming and audio loops From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 15:32:27 +0000 (UTC) Send me a link, I'll test it out for you. I've been programming to make music for a couple years. At first it was only to augment available software, but I've started writing my own as well. I've played around with bidule, pd, max, java (with jmusic), c and objective-c (for iOS). Right now, I'm really excited about the possibilities of running pure data patches on iOS with libpd. Great fun. Sylvain On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:05 AM, James Collin wrot= e: > I would be interested in being a beta tester, if you're looking for them. > > - J > > > On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 11:40 PM, Tyler wrote= : >> >> Oops! That last one was a mistake. I use Javascript for looping. I made = an >> app that will >> run in every modern (JS supporting) browser. It's called Soundlap, and >> it's up for beta-testing. >> Tyler Z >> On Mon, 28 May 2012 22:41:47 -0500, Jeff Larson wrote: >> >> >> >Yes, it's fun! =A0Are you interested in looper programming? >> > >> >On May 28, 2012, at 6:45 PM, Tyler wrote: >> > >> >>Hello! Have any of you ever used a computer programming language to lo= op >> >> an >> >>audio file, or >> >>to make your own little loop app? >> >>Tyler Z >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 29 16:32:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7EB618345E; Tue, 29 May 2012 16:32:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_57a8d287-dd18-4aed-820b-e6cfa117f4ad_" X-Originating-IP: [86.153.219.144] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: Boomerang III instant stack mode Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 16:32:07 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 May 2012 16:32:07.0594 (UTC) FILETIME=[96BE40A0:01CD3DB8] Resent-Message-ID: <9YzIr.A.ObD.IoPxPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 16:32:08 +0000 (UTC) --_57a8d287-dd18-4aed-820b-e6cfa117f4ad_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey guys=2C Can I suggest if you're one of a number of people who have decl= ared an interest in this not-yet-function=2C you email Mike Nelson soon. I'= ve just asked for it and I reckon if a number of others do=2C we stand more= chance of getting it implemented. He was good enough to get back to me but= was rather noncommittal.. Just a suggestion - Power to the people! Gareth = --_57a8d287-dd18-4aed-820b-e6cfa117f4ad_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey guys=2C =3B
Can I suggest if you're one of a number = of people who have declared an interest in this not-yet-function=2C you ema= il Mike Nelson soon. I've just asked for it and I reckon if a number of oth= ers do=2C we stand more chance of getting it implemented. He was good enoug= h to get back to me but was rather noncommittal..

= Just a suggestion -  =3BPower to the people!

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= --_57a8d287-dd18-4aed-820b-e6cfa117f4ad_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 29 16:55:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DDAE183453; Tue, 29 May 2012 16:55:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yLMd+YcKi3QZDgRFR+uQ8quwfgHWHUqMrTGgKFua89Q=; b=Zz1zHcjK9HNO79dXxLtxGFtjfTeqJzjXh6Aul/npXAzpeXE7PFXHM4/CCT9fyOVTod wU5itKIBO1WvPn6Qo2+2iB9dXIGHRYabRKfC+BHMDM0B8DA2SKoLgLF5+DgIV4IX1XNi pLBRFE41Qc+DCnZINgvwMm1WOedGRmz8rmNiC26AqGXluriTc05n65l6Zbqaj7cGM2CN hiEwjOJiNJSiR3ICeSg6aR4ol3x8dVaS3LxcM5mGBJEYSRelU6bhf9KCAYabpqa8922A ppuwsHDPrVzMq1jcQkmP0NwHkurjYfLEopnbEhwyVuNtY+BEVXYJfajJbBaYcvbNkHZN AtNw== Message-ID: <4FC4FF7D.2050002@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 18:55:25 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Multi-channel Granular Loops References: <4FC4E701.8040303@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-sxEID.A.Z5D.-9PxPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 16:55:26 +0000 (UTC) > I am completely confused by your statement, Rainer :) The opening > musical statement is quite granular?! A binaural rendering of the 8 > channel array environment will sound stereo - maybe that is what > you're alluding to? > No, I'm getting at my observation that things that are marketed as "granular" are typically either boring pads or odd noises, and things that are marketed as "multi-channel" rather confusing - if it means multi-channel (i.e. multi-track) loops, not a multi-channel reproduction system (which it was in your case). (shutting up already - the main statement was I liked it) -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 29 17:33:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2798E18345E; Tue, 29 May 2012 17:33:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=GZdim/PVo3gfEAo1l7nPzAHllGWgoV5vVl6qeyPGuZM=; b=ezupolZhfslQLEQoWdxrBeSMwjxegrJyr/563k0/uFzaGKDrgo+tTEoP/i5mKoDZSV 9ZKp3NwDwdiEgnguWjBxnhu61BzXzP+Tm0JfQUb4kbTeg5FagrSPUqYtT4nLRjLVFj5+ O8q2N2NlOjVARj9XtGLWJS2L19Ps1YkFo7IEtToNMasLW9OnlCb0gfwlk6e+TLnabsQE Mf4bQmVExtE+X5JdcNYj8ec9IWeZZ5M8/1vGjIt2kAbgAFrct+MzJ5GWP8UuqvIxzm0Z 161Bsq9Iaf49vnVQNi4CTgGmVenJUqUCSVHoo6/AZ3NeS2NE213ewMz824sYyzIrfAwM T2oA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 13:33:25 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Boomerang III instant stack mode From: Jason Fistner To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f2353bf58a10404c1303b08 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 17:33:26 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f2353bf58a10404c1303b08 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Glad to hear from someone else interested in automatic overdub. Mike Nelson has heard from me about this "auto-stack" function as well. I find it really difficult to both remember and to physically hit stack between the loop end presses. There's so much to juggle on the first loop-- the most critical loop. Without automatic overdub, the "seam" is more obvious and the pacing is slowed. I find I lose those audience members that need constant new stimuli. (i.e. most people!) Honestly I do find it strange that auto overdub is absent on the Rang. There's even auto overdub on my Strymon Timeline and looping on that is mostly an afterthought. I've gone through a lot of loopers over the last 10 years. (dl4, jm4, rc-20xl, rc-50, dd-7, timeline, lp-1) but now use Rang III + SideCar as my main looper. (Timeline and DD7 as secondary loopers) For me, auto-stack is the last piece of the puzzle. Jason soundcloud.com/jasonfistner On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > Hey guys, > Can I suggest if you're one of a number of people who have declared an > interest in this not-yet-function, you email Mike Nelson soon. I've just > asked for it and I reckon if a number of others do, we stand more chance of > getting it implemented. He was good enough to get back to me but was rather > noncommittal.. > > Just a suggestion - Power to the people! > > Gareth > --e89a8f2353bf58a10404c1303b08 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Glad to hear from someone else interested in automatic overdub.
M= ike Nelson has heard from me about this "auto-stack" function as = well.
I find it really difficult to both remember and to physicall= y hit stack between the loop end presses.
There's so much to juggle on the first loop-- the most critical lo= op.

Without automatic overdub, the "seam"= ; is more obvious and the pacing is slowed.=A0
I find I lose thos= e audience members that need constant new stimuli. (i.e. most people!)

Honestly I do find it strange that auto overdub is abse= nt on the Rang.
There's even auto overdub on my Strymon Timel= ine and looping on that is mostly an afterthought.
I've gone = through a lot of loopers over the last 10 years. (dl4, jm4, rc-20xl, rc-50,= dd-7, timeline, lp-1) but now use=A0Rang III + SideCar as my main looper. = (Timeline and DD7 as secondary loopers)
For me, auto-stack is the last piece of the puzzle.
Jason


On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@li= ve.co.uk> wrote:
Hey guys,=A0
Can I suggest if you're one of a number of = people who have declared an interest in this not-yet-function, you email Mi= ke Nelson soon. I've just asked for it and I reckon if a number of othe= rs do, we stand more chance of getting it implemented. He was good enough t= o get back to me but was rather noncommittal..

Just a suggestion - =A0Power to the people!
=

Gareth
=

--e89a8f2353bf58a10404c1303b08-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 29 17:45:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7700183454; Tue, 29 May 2012 17:45:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=mslIydcnQhO8y+TLKWonnNDJJ6hEpln1laV0kb+0EAI=; b=QWTTdM9jbZMtUDrURwkmpiqjInDPBKLcTWCsX7AVuw1UlnDdDrId0RTxZZdXd53RxP v+dWd0R6l+NPq629knGIt0++JptH8JBu1AEv5+vTJpTfNai2gwPh20qB09m5JiuFUWId 82vDfMP2sKDSNqIimBXGSPGlHlbozpoXRi1hcwbpZEYa80vIsSj/g2/H69t5H/XRVQst l8cN5hqPuD5xMDAGDKJQcA5XnIWUDOFBY+PG3DJ7N3PWgaQqLlUKWLf7StIg+B7e2d06 VOagvOdu1o7gTXmEdSVJEgUAhmpdYrRFGl+V5NIK89+52Zyq9D+6Xw2+EsYn/jTtHlk5 rDhw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FC4FF7D.2050002@googlemail.com> References: <4FC4E701.8040303@googlemail.com> <4FC4FF7D.2050002@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 18:45:20 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Multi-channel Granular Loops From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 17:45:21 +0000 (UTC) Cool. Glad you liked it. On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > >> I am completely confused by your statement, Rainer :) The opening >> musical statement is quite granular?! A binaural rendering of the 8 >> channel array environment will sound stereo - maybe that is what >> you're alluding to? >> > > No, I'm getting at my observation that things that are marketed as > "granular" are typically either boring pads or odd noises, and things that > are marketed as "multi-channel" rather confusing - if it means multi-channel > (i.e. multi-track) loops, not a multi-channel reproduction system (which it > was in your case). > > (shutting up already - the main statement was I liked it) > > > -- > http://moinlabs.de > Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 29 17:59:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 004B018345C; Tue, 29 May 2012 17:59:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=eIsEDz6s9SxlSvdgZvPr5Lj2vF90fpeEnR2m7QZz0s4=; b=fgAVE3tvmfSdpvXthyLMUL9lLIRnX8wkuqV1c58TtcgF2kwkuP733xxo1GHHwZbGTw P2F90E22Qkjlm6Ls3sj2HsZ/yf9Pf89E4AS5PLzuJ36q3YMchvk1vbEyIOcLpWGc97df KxYRc1/X58LyX1JtY2LCkOHfpBJBfwDAPPWQBn3FtUqjDO7hOPAxY7C6UTcU7+TDBJa+ JEn0bH8J5uGnbJFYPQoESwLaHNjBC3+KVNcocLNWZDWSK+hT7v05Rpm8iCymGB0lC1oA Am2pMHu9E9ItejxK6HJNHIqfUzFJ2pc+D7JZQk7THpmRwvwkdUC65iFKVPJBsCogciRt GPEQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4FC4E701.8040303@googlemail.com> <4FC4FF7D.2050002@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 18:59:07 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Multi-channel Granular Loops From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 17:59:08 +0000 (UTC) And now an excerpt from a track of latest production: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkH4q-dSOgQ On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Cool. Glad you liked it. > > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Rainer Straschill > wrote: >> >>> I am completely confused by your statement, Rainer :) The opening >>> musical statement is quite granular?! A binaural rendering of the 8 >>> channel array environment will sound stereo - maybe that is what >>> you're alluding to? >>> >> >> No, I'm getting at my observation that things that are marketed as >> "granular" are typically either boring pads or odd noises, and things that >> are marketed as "multi-channel" rather confusing - if it means multi-channel >> (i.e. multi-track) loops, not a multi-channel reproduction system (which it >> was in your case). >> >> (shutting up already - the main statement was I liked it) >> >> >> -- >> http://moinlabs.de >> Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 29 18:47:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DC2E183460; Tue, 29 May 2012 18:47:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=wTIEy/rc02KUb7qLzInPVbR/uJ3ZOjr0QH5s+ILai0o=; b=fFgoB0zsmHmchUbWflKi90YBcS5u1h4QSUqOf2qqmG0DZOxDF/DIgv7T5jx8r4Fe0s XF8LqVNjLR6Ez+8YVqcayDj+V50xyerpN+3tEMs/aAuA5zAjf+TclHwX8Uxhrj7TeJLw p+gYbalwRTSZWD+QZq3pbId7x/IrqZorQnwb93hV8FOjnYTsKXyg5MsjaLXzTTJfcolT /CYfMyqFHZ5E29FhxN/d1A5LviUPbQccn3TvrUNOZ9ZrA0gY4LrTot2iCc3zaQoUzoLX Huk29egL68OausmwWr/Qa1blbkuJm4mvcVjTNSzlQ4HpBTrF1IEPiOlrTHJ8WBO9j6e4 umjw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <4FC4E701.8040303@googlemail.com> <4FC4FF7D.2050002@googlemail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 20:47:33 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: kM9PwwOQ8jwJGacbaiBH5fv_BGU Message-ID: Subject: Re: Multi-channel Granular Loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec52be58bb5c25204c1314542 Resent-Message-ID: <6vKGQ.A.g4F.bnRxPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 18:47:55 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec52be58bb5c25204c1314542 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This was fantastic Ricky! I LOVE the granular sounds... I wish there was a hardware synth that did shit like that... (that didnt cost an arm and a leg!) Tis the only reason I like to still pull up Audio Mulch once in a while, the excellent granular contraptions... ...but really cool visuals, so simple and yet so complete!!! I wish the camera had been center.. I want the full frontal experience! Mark On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > And now an excerpt from a track of latest production: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkH4q-dSOgQ > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --bcaec52be58bb5c25204c1314542 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This was fantastic Ricky!

I LOVE the granular sounds... I wish there= was a hardware synth that did shit like that... (that didnt cost an arm an= d a leg!) Tis the only reason I like to still pull up Audio Mulch once in a= while, the excellent granular contraptions...

...but really cool visuals, so simple and yet so complete!!! I wish the= camera had been center.. I want the full frontal experience!

Mark
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Ricky Gra= ham <rickygrahammusic@gmail.com> wrote:
And now an excerpt from a track of latest pr= oduction:
= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DOkH4q-dSOgQ

=

--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--bcaec52be58bb5c25204c1314542-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 29 19:01:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A5A2183464; Tue, 29 May 2012 19:01:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=RLSnQXIzXSDGc52S/qCt44u361m3zSlI28J2nd07jS4=; b=zniMoq37vdTCV5IdZ2E1goeGVYj67l2+h0OIgD71Ls+49D5Pe7G7oZguVLLqZ/J4n9 BtVetGh9OCf8FFFJR6IbBH+0gMPJ9rBrq1zZbx130CiodfZTB1qjp6o0NIVTPdNX+51D Xd9gArKJMho7Prz/pO8Gtbq5fzA7hWwsEBQk4lulPKtaZGHtTC6FHdGvcdWEwywCaxeL Ay0GEzksJcEnPI5Qjh2Eb540kf3fiSCISEiQG4rWH2eaEj5zGfKYGLZv+bKDmgxjACVy wxiiMFW0zQj91JMkmTks5aAH5ywnW6ZmQ1WLtdHILNoYvBZ24J9tBBe4BNCWJS3Snqde F+fw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4FC4E701.8040303@googlemail.com> <4FC4FF7D.2050002@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 20:01:35 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Multi-channel Granular Loops From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 19:01:37 +0000 (UTC) Cool, Mark - thanks. Yeah, the multi-channel speaker array, binaural mic and audience were in the way of potentially placing the camera at centre. It was quite a small room, but the acoustics were really great. Thanks for watching! On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 7:47 PM, mark francombe wrote: > This was fantastic Ricky! > > I LOVE the granular sounds... I wish there was a hardware synth that did > shit like that... (that didnt cost an arm and a leg!) Tis the only reason I > like to still pull up Audio Mulch once in a while, the excellent granular > contraptions... > > ...but really cool visuals, so simple and yet so complete!!! I wish the > camera had been center.. I want the full frontal experience! > > Mark > > > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Ricky Graham > wrote: >> >> And now an excerpt from a track of latest production: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkH4q-dSOgQ >> > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 29 19:07:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 286A918345C; Tue, 29 May 2012 19:07:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=J8A0mQtXX2ro6hs790OgBTuEAif1tgrOHDxgHkIYu2I=; b=SradRf1KDhQQOleq9bnfUbmv5OXHJpPCpbd4TTaY2MpfhpV0riNMCQsaDj0LzmEzYI IgktwvDDzp5FZvQaabdcKkWtyW01KnLCmlIgcWOkdyewloFmR3Q7WAIfi8JGX6hbkfMy h7wt/o5hb/J/Fsk40PzsnuApLALdfL8Ld2ROmJg3qqIbeMfdxT8y+325UQU+iJRvqtOV RSHNW6X5yKJZr0WZn39rt6mJzwD51yz+VohIFBUhMSGkAwVEWPHpVpTUk4GwPgBa+yY8 ykUnGIZYiz2ojhxLbSR/EgqwvuMmJoIeUyE3jGsehxUFphjZ8TLKDPvWUtWF2cltcIEw IaaA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4FC4E701.8040303@googlemail.com> <4FC4FF7D.2050002@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 20:07:57 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Multi-channel Granular Loops From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 19:07:58 +0000 (UTC) On an aside, the camera angle caught the visual with a nice bit of light, I think ;) On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Cool, Mark - thanks. Yeah, the multi-channel speaker array, binaural > mic and audience were in the way of potentially placing the camera at > centre. It was quite a small room, but the acoustics were really > great. > > Thanks for watching! > > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 7:47 PM, mark francombe wrote: >> This was fantastic Ricky! >> >> I LOVE the granular sounds... I wish there was a hardware synth that did >> shit like that... (that didnt cost an arm and a leg!) Tis the only reason I >> like to still pull up Audio Mulch once in a while, the excellent granular >> contraptions... >> >> ...but really cool visuals, so simple and yet so complete!!! I wish the >> camera had been center.. I want the full frontal experience! >> >> Mark >> >> >> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Ricky Graham >> wrote: >>> >>> And now an excerpt from a track of latest production: >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkH4q-dSOgQ >>> >> >> >> -- >> Mark Francombe >> www.markfrancombe.com >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://www.looop.no >> twitter @markfrancombe >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 29 19:12:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A573B183461; Tue, 29 May 2012 19:12:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=JQoEvI2+J61etuR1aDiWVM3AFqu0WOfkbkKN4EHX4YM=; b=y1+cVDurRiE9m6z15k+PoJ6xtuGnzv7gAtBSORQAJX7oj5t7Q+3aBcG+LnJgvVIdQ7 U4mwrwcFsexr9z6RtC+qWjGFfQnuTfsZt5if2PM21uj35IFHPVtrpXEwHrapCVZUE195 BkOxryzU/HXeZP+2CogI75ah9huGpW2aCXDwgBQKRYhELhsybDm5WuBc7a4DUZfModT9 uoaLSg/kWGqQdleO2pTjn3xlCi0W53Ummnq/237MHn6j4P5Aaiz5yi/pQCoyF/aWNdOw UMLzANTvQS7nm7EhXEFeNQrlFndeZ1sRcYvuSTyHKUc+inC9Q/iD5WJ/t5rBx3PaOH7R 74og== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <4FC4E701.8040303@googlemail.com> <4FC4FF7D.2050002@googlemail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 21:12:30 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: DnBv1uG8OUf_BiWMfr65IHNcvqc Message-ID: Subject: Re: Multi-channel Granular Loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec520e909f7b46d04c1319e84 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 19:12:52 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec520e909f7b46d04c1319e84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I know you say it is PD right, but can you elucidate on exactly what is going on? Im intrigued by the geometric nature of your stuff, Im always trying for floaty amorphous and indistinct, but yours its so... er.. WITH the music, I wonder how it works, is it midi notes translated to blocks, that move on a timeline? Spill the beans man! Mark On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > On an aside, the camera angle caught the visual with a nice bit of > light, I think ;) > > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Ricky Graham > wrote: > > Cool, Mark - thanks. Yeah, the multi-channel speaker array, binaural > > mic and audience were in the way of potentially placing the camera at > > centre. It was quite a small room, but the acoustics were really > > great. > > > > Thanks for watching! > > > > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 7:47 PM, mark francombe > wrote: > >> This was fantastic Ricky! > >> > >> I LOVE the granular sounds... I wish there was a hardware synth that did > >> shit like that... (that didnt cost an arm and a leg!) Tis the only > reason I > >> like to still pull up Audio Mulch once in a while, the excellent > granular > >> contraptions... > >> > >> ...but really cool visuals, so simple and yet so complete!!! I wish the > >> camera had been center.. I want the full frontal experience! > >> > >> Mark > >> > >> > >> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Ricky Graham < > rickygrahammusic@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> And now an excerpt from a track of latest production: > >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkH4q-dSOgQ > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Mark Francombe > >> www.markfrancombe.com > >> www.ordoabkhao.com > >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 > >> http://www.looop.no > >> twitter @markfrancombe > >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > >> > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --bcaec520e909f7b46d04c1319e84 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know you say it is PD right, but can you elucidate on exactly what is goi= ng on? Im intrigued by the geometric nature of your stuff, Im always trying= for floaty amorphous and indistinct, but yours its so... er.. WITH the mus= ic, I wonder how it works, is it midi notes translated to blocks, that move= on a timeline?

Spill the beans man!

Mark

On T= ue, May 29, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Ricky Graham <rickygrahammusic@gmail= .com> wrote:
On an aside, the camera angle caught the vis= ual with a nice bit of
light, I think ;)

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Ricky Graham
<rickygrahammusic@gmail.com> wrote:
> Cool, Mark - thanks. Yeah, the multi-channel speaker array, binaural > mic and audience were in the way of potentially placing the camera at<= br> > centre. It was quite a small room, but the acoustics were really
> great.
>
> Thanks for watching!
>
> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 7:47 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
>> This was fantastic Ricky!
>>
>> I LOVE the granular sounds... I wish there was a hardware synth th= at did
>> shit like that... (that didnt cost an arm and a leg!) Tis the only= reason I
>> like to still pull up Audio Mulch once in a while, the excellent g= ranular
>> contraptions...
>>
>> ...but really cool visuals, so simple and yet so complete!!! I wis= h the
>> camera had been center.. I want the full frontal experience!
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Ricky Graham <rickygrahammusic@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> And now an excerpt from a track of latest production:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DOkH4q-dSOgQ
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mark Francombe
>> www.mar= kfrancombe.com
>> www.ordoab= khao.com
>> http://v= imeo.com/user825094
>> http://www.looop= .no
>> twitter @markfrancombe
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
>>




--
= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--bcaec520e909f7b46d04c1319e84-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 29 19:23:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0076218345D; Tue, 29 May 2012 19:23:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_38d254fd-306c-4221-ba4c-39cc574b5659_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Multi-channel Granular Loops Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 19:23:13 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,<4FC4E701.8040303@googlemail.com>,,<4FC4FF7D.2050002@googlemail.com>,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 May 2012 19:23:13.0223 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D88ED70:01CD3DD0] Resent-Message-ID: <_2QNAB.A.erG.iISxPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 19:23:14 +0000 (UTC) --_38d254fd-306c-4221-ba4c-39cc574b5659_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds great=2C it would be interesting to hear more about how you made it.= .. Thanks=2C Anders > Date: Tue=2C 29 May 2012 18:59:07 +0100 > Subject: Re: Multi-channel Granular Loops > From: rickygrahammusic@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > And now an excerpt from a track of latest production: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DOkH4q-dSOgQ >=20 > On Tue=2C May 29=2C 2012 at 6:45 PM=2C Ricky Graham > wrote: > > Cool. Glad you liked it. > > > > On Tue=2C May 29=2C 2012 at 5:55 PM=2C Rainer Straschill > > wrote: > >> > >>> I am completely confused by your statement=2C Rainer :) The opening > >>> musical statement is quite granular?! A binaural rendering of the 8 > >>> channel array environment will sound stereo - maybe that is what > >>> you're alluding to? > >>> > >> > >> No=2C I'm getting at my observation that things that are marketed as > >> "granular" are typically either boring pads or odd noises=2C and thing= s that > >> are marketed as "multi-channel" rather confusing - if it means multi-c= hannel > >> (i.e. multi-track) loops=2C not a multi-channel reproduction system (w= hich it > >> was in your case). > >> > >> (shutting up already - the main statement was I liked it) > >> > >> > >> -- > >> http://moinlabs.de > >> Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs > >> >=20 = --_38d254fd-306c-4221-ba4c-39cc574b5659_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sounds great=2C it would be interesting to hear more about how you made= it...

Thanks=2C

Anders
>=3B Date: Tue=2C 29 May 2012 18:5= 9:07 +0100
>=3B Subject: Re: Multi-channel Granular Loops
>=3B Fr= om: rickygrahammusic@gmail.com
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-deligh= t.com
>=3B
>=3B And now an excerpt from a track of latest produc= tion:
>=3B http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DOkH4q-dSOgQ
>=3B
= >=3B On Tue=2C May 29=2C 2012 at 6:45 PM=2C Ricky Graham
>=3B <=3B= rickygrahammusic@gmail.com>=3B wrote:
>=3B >=3B Cool. Glad you lik= ed it.
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B On Tue=2C May 29=2C 2012 at 5:55 P= M=2C Rainer Straschill
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= --_38d254fd-306c-4221-ba4c-39cc574b5659_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 29 19:23:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 298BE18345D; Tue, 29 May 2012 19:23:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=FQ2xgFhsZAoSGt3lzEGobAL8v0hpmnWwXPVk00nKUE4=; b=H6wdl5tj50+P4ooZGjsUgF0sXe22s7gVzrl9ZVhjcOKIWMPkg4Xq9/rGcKoyNlOYch bVE+xjy+iLg52LWQUvtV2CkifGu7mFlGfxzwBm3+15Kz04fW4nOAq6jBrSvFaG7pV8aR mSQV/F7SywxtJ+PUXIgDXRJjw8P2vgfEXgnfNi1slOvdJf0OEszWgauqyQK5xaHSm3gH dwNKcV1x7Y8pRlH2vvBlMqvsotxbwpc7X+oaSiL2HzxY933dqdQcrU+lmLCIGIRFjOhn DtfFsb58fz8V9F40El8sLCSPC8N25WcJWp/NwWMNYD8sd5lvcxztfmUAf4JaKDM5ZfgR /ajg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4FC4E701.8040303@googlemail.com> <4FC4FF7D.2050002@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 20:23:52 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Multi-channel Granular Loops From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 19:23:54 +0000 (UTC) Sure, it would be my pleasure. The performance system (including the visual) was built in Pd to function along with the multi-channel output of my guitar (i.e. audio for each string using a MIDI guitar pick-up and a self-made pre-amp/break-out box). Each colored block in the visual is a string being spatialised in surround sound (ambisonics) within the performance space. The speakers are positioned in such a way that they are surrounding the audience. The spatial gestures per string are provided by an algorithm called "boids" (available in Pd and Max) which was used to simulate flocking behaviors in nature. I have created a figurative relationship between the pitch of my guitar and the flocking behaviors so that when I play a specified tonic pitch the audio for the strings flock to the centre point. If I play a pitch outside of a diatonic set, it causes spatial inertia. I have also built more complex abstractions based on voice-leading principles etc. The blocks in the middle of the screen represent amplitude of the two monitors onstage, both left and right. If you have any more questions, let me know. I have a CD completed of all of this material over at http://signalsundertests.rickygraham.com Cheers, Ricky On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:12 PM, mark francombe wrote: > I know you say it is PD right, but can you elucidate on exactly what is > going on? Im intrigued by the geometric nature of your stuff, Im always > trying for floaty amorphous and indistinct, but yours its so... er.. WITH > the music, I wonder how it works, is it midi notes translated to blocks, > that move on a timeline? > > Spill the beans man! > > Mark > > > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Ricky Graham > wrote: >> >> On an aside, the camera angle caught the visual with a nice bit of >> light, I think ;) >> >> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Ricky Graham >> wrote: >> > Cool, Mark - thanks. Yeah, the multi-channel speaker array, binaural >> > mic and audience were in the way of potentially placing the camera at >> > centre. It was quite a small room, but the acoustics were really >> > great. >> > >> > Thanks for watching! >> > >> > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 7:47 PM, mark francombe >> > wrote: >> >> This was fantastic Ricky! >> >> >> >> I LOVE the granular sounds... I wish there was a hardware synth that >> >> did >> >> shit like that... (that didnt cost an arm and a leg!) Tis the only >> >> reason I >> >> like to still pull up Audio Mulch once in a while, the excellent >> >> granular >> >> contraptions... >> >> >> >> ...but really cool visuals, so simple and yet so complete!!! I wish the >> >> camera had been center.. I want the full frontal experience! >> >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Ricky Graham >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> And now an excerpt from a track of latest production: >> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkH4q-dSOgQ >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Mark Francombe >> >> www.markfrancombe.com >> >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> >> http://www.looop.no >> >> twitter @markfrancombe >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >> >> >> > > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 29 19:24:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A9FC183462; Tue, 29 May 2012 19:24:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=WHIjUa9gfh8hJN1NprxwDXDiq+LSA5Nib3J7NM5Z8mo=; b=NQBP3g+v+TmojBmTiG6fNBDPIxq4Oq8xtsI1WqjWXTVWGFNtuevIxDAxawMRs5IXfu uGVw07lgobnMtu/ZR9149STnyE6T6DsJyNyoSl5sueZidrt/6a82ha19hPzDr+MaCHRi iHsVfSHEejSDkeDESttXizxd++YHLju9DusdStTl6AdD1836FcNt+CxuPssL/2eBoKtG PmP7hZRHQQV31KnhDV/cwlDtGOOxY6NHcxEGyn2fOsh5kWHOGpdAGgeSMzdG9YyK5UWi 84Pivju/8dB6qSGGQLAAtj365I3PbJ+e0U7SBWqcN69wt59xDC7ToFKCHqWjmjvkzaM/ gfrQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4FC4E701.8040303@googlemail.com> <4FC4FF7D.2050002@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 20:24:14 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Multi-channel Granular Loops From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 19:24:14 +0000 (UTC) Hi Anders, I just posted some info. Cheers, Ricky On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: > > Sounds great, it would be interesting to hear more about how you made it... > > Thanks, > > Anders >> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 18:59:07 +0100 >> Subject: Re: Multi-channel Granular Loops >> From: rickygrahammusic@gmail.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> >> And now an excerpt from a track of latest production: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkH4q-dSOgQ >> >> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Ricky Graham >> wrote: >> > Cool. Glad you liked it. >> > >> > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Rainer Straschill >> > wrote: >> >> >> >>> I am completely confused by your statement, Rainer :) The opening >> >>> musical statement is quite granular?! A binaural rendering of the 8 >> >>> channel array environment will sound stereo - maybe that is what >> >>> you're alluding to? >> >>> >> >> >> >> No, I'm getting at my observation that things that are marketed as >> >> "granular" are typically either boring pads or odd noises, and things >> >> that >> >> are marketed as "multi-channel" rather confusing - if it means >> >> multi-channel >> >> (i.e. multi-track) loops, not a multi-channel reproduction system >> >> (which it >> >> was in your case). >> >> >> >> (shutting up already - the main statement was I liked it) >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> http://moinlabs.de >> >> Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs >> >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 29 19:26:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A9AB183463; Tue, 29 May 2012 19:26:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ti4By8EUl/zYVGJNzRUjjW6+MGC8kYt/YAUmKlzHZso=; b=MMAMHYHCGMejfBl4BdCOHMe5F7D2/P9EVe7knrhOYdWzM/hlmJS6PBZaKa9CpHNeaD MxmxgFIRtDh6uXVJQEXZO4HKqF6Lnbj7I1OQQeGKnfO4x0FlZJ+3Kmg7Ic92Vr3ljJdP zZ9BHPhASwFocDjhFlBdnH5AyG3hmrOp4c/iMmaI8ze7OCRXYwTdU17Nr5eXANaGr4KI Osuda5+9xi3RRuMkRgMuTd7GUsGP/FVPKFvcndBARAqcKcf9nVhvAONQUC+jzRT6xNEJ GMNnJiuh47dPtZm7lTdV0oYK+qsczC7WkB17OUcPFcfYIuO5Dte+DpnWJQOWWk1lgGTv nKrA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4FC4E701.8040303@googlemail.com> <4FC4FF7D.2050002@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 21:26:08 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Multi-channel Granular Loops From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 19:26:09 +0000 (UTC) Exciting sounding music! I don't have headphones here but well a live PA set up in my living room studio, a little more club based sound. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > And now an excerpt from a track of latest production: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkH4q-dSOgQ > > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Ricky Graham > wrote: >> Cool. Glad you liked it. >> >> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Rainer Straschill >> wrote: >>> >>>> I am completely confused by your statement, Rainer :) The opening >>>> musical statement is quite granular?! A binaural rendering of the 8 >>>> channel array environment will sound stereo - maybe that is what >>>> you're alluding to? >>>> >>> >>> No, I'm getting at my observation that things that are marketed as >>> "granular" are typically either boring pads or odd noises, and things that >>> are marketed as "multi-channel" rather confusing - if it means multi-channel >>> (i.e. multi-track) loops, not a multi-channel reproduction system (which it >>> was in your case). >>> >>> (shutting up already - the main statement was I liked it) >>> >>> >>> -- >>> http://moinlabs.de >>> Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs >>> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 29 19:27:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17E6A183454; Tue, 29 May 2012 19:27:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=6l42LEsziqfnEI+7gYLNCftF++SuCy29/JX/vjLd9NE=; b=ADXEPbNqAeIsIjonXI8/yLrteGzURnAO1/sG6YCWWJ41BFOzmOzFTQeO/lGIQpoStV LXq9VMa6Bdw41QWmVMKB4KAdx3vMSriKBincAPyd3F7XQIi1/tTNeKG3e0oytcAh4QLe Jd25q1wPyQbOuE0hn+GZ5CfbRtUYX0SqDdEdLCQ5RdMiYgOJtTlVsONEopOcr+riGNon hSbJPo16L9f11D8hWdi3ZyL/DLQxqziRG6U2pj03Oc6mwE4r94Ug6rZntDT7eOZvN2BX ZIXaYgkKaM7ARtJPu+8LjE14wBQ0N6VWMEDAkU/JAqEuMJUzqLwaFoF+c1/ESGu/r0HZ G6dQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4FC4E701.8040303@googlemail.com> <4FC4FF7D.2050002@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 20:27:14 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Multi-channel Granular Loops From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 19:27:15 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Per! On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Exciting sounding music! I don't have headphones here but well a live > PA set up in my living room studio, a little more club based sound. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Ricky Graham > wrote: >> And now an excerpt from a track of latest production: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkH4q-dSOgQ >> >> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Ricky Graham >> wrote: >>> Cool. Glad you liked it. >>> >>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Rainer Straschill >>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am completely confused by your statement, Rainer :) The opening >>>>> musical statement is quite granular?! A binaural rendering of the 8 >>>>> channel array environment will sound stereo - maybe that is what >>>>> you're alluding to? >>>>> >>>> >>>> No, I'm getting at my observation that things that are marketed as >>>> "granular" are typically either boring pads or odd noises, and things that >>>> are marketed as "multi-channel" rather confusing - if it means multi-channel >>>> (i.e. multi-track) loops, not a multi-channel reproduction system (which it >>>> was in your case). >>>> >>>> (shutting up already - the main statement was I liked it) >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> http://moinlabs.de >>>> Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs >>>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 29 19:35:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C937C18348C; Tue, 29 May 2012 19:35:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FC524EC.1010809@soundscapes.us> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 15:35:08 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Thought Radio Playlist for May 26, 2012. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 19:35:23 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio/playlists/2012/120526.html The Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show has alternating hosts. When I am at the helm, the show is called Thought Radio and you can expect to hear electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am EST/GMT-5 on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. http://soundscapes.us/afterglow/index.html Show #225 May 26, 2012. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== VA [Mark Jenkins] Analogica Sequences No. 19 VA [Syndromeda] Recycles Sequences No. 19 VA [Alquimia / Reflection Sequences No. 19 First Light] Shane Morris and Cambrian Explosion Epoch (Lotuspike) Mystified AeTopus Star Navigator Between Empires (12 Ton) Broekhuis, Keller Liquid Storm Level Four (Manikin) and Schonwalder Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Monks of the Desert Rorate caeli Blessings, Peace and Harmony (Sony) Tim White and Inhale Slowly Inhale Slowly (none) Joe Paulino Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Karl Eisenhart and All On A Sunday NJP 10-24-03 (Fox's Den) Neal Morse Skeletonbreath Do the Lazy Rabbit NJP 4-34-05 (Fox's Den) Genesis Entangled A Trick of the Tail (Atco) Genesis The Lamb Lies Down The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway On Broadway (Atco) Genesis Fly On a Windshield The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway (Atco) Genesis Broadway Melody of The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway 1974 (Atco) Genesis Cuckoo Cocoon The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway (Atco) Genesis In the Cage The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway (Atco) Alan Morse Cold Fusion * Four O'clock and Hysteria (InsideOut) * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDRs that come with each issue of Sequences electronic music magazine. Bill Fox ======================================================================== Host of Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EDT/GMT-4. Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music. Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Website - http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 29 20:46:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5885183461; Tue, 29 May 2012 20:46:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 72676.24984.bm@omp1010.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1338324403; bh=I1Tp0QYEBxBYqXs0mGFd86IKNNgE45VXALeN5eQ6wyA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xj7Y0JKGw+2j06d7Z+05khsW5nZZ8eeojgn3TgBrxKIeroEV2LMPiHqUim3Gf3KwnrFUxYjD5kT9MRaO+UhaE7Ah1/f1qTyDoBMljVwL2quuuejEraeAT/JMK4WwssUNZ05Vye8d6RI4vjHRbIwYW8pB8Ykz5jgmh99R/9SrcmA= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; 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Don't forget the other option: make your first loop in L3 and end the recording by pressing L1 or L2 which will then become the first "overdub" pass. It should be easier to enable automatic stacking on these secondary loops AND it allows for more levels of UNDO if you get my gist.

 

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 29 21:16:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B170718345B; Tue, 29 May 2012 21:16:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=3z0gz++cBWfIuM/Z3B3Ob1IgpsOG/OsteBA+jF16lqs=; b=akfWIJm31qOw5PjIBC6aovbz9bwp+FeU250ZDoerCo58aq/ZbhTBxCODPqO7xDRlNy J3tcgEEYRxaCQO8IdYhroIzv2d5uMy4PA0v1J4M3TUwxj2lt0mZqK7VeaEdDNyrZKv52 wEasZVWNFbecEdwQU4DWdwFxikTcJhWSdwFAZ3kCyAjw1pl+XKUbvBPlYFGCTZePiBrY /TZlAoLZ/u8ar0xGvBnLoDxymWkQmvWMhVhNsySPQYMXyMVUUN6iMxdrOACa5yL9miiL hyQe98armKQqLq7fgWzGlZ+PZx0WLF1/+mz1yJsSJIXxJmeqSrik5jy3WYZ0Icz4mq6g lDLg== Subject: Re: Multi-channel Granular Loops References: <4FC4E701.8040303@googlemail.com> <4FC4FF7D.2050002@googlemail.com> From: F_Anile Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B176) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 23:16:52 +0200 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 21:16:58 +0000 (UTC) Very nice and interesting ! > I have created a figurative relationship between the pitch of my > guitar and the flocking behaviors so that when I play a specified > tonic pitch the audio for the strings flock to the centre point. If I > play a pitch outside of a diatonic set, it causes spatial inertia. I > have also built more complex abstractions based on voice-leading > principles etc. Can you say more about the "rules" you've programmed ? This kind of "audio painting" is so fascinating to me and I'm sure that the s= ourround environment adds the 3rd "dimension" to the overrall experience. -f= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 29 22:31:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8010A183464; Tue, 29 May 2012 22:31:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=vRRPL+oEVPNPZwpjTDGh62n5WbAaxfAktjhaUn7W4nM=; b=Uj8m+r9rsdkTPjHDXLjbTHocXY5vkWCER2pXtrn7sPUmgvMrSSsk5KvbzOZGFH4n4X RRj0erBPH1Uhz8fIxSHW/fUGFNO74YHZViHiC5esQ0WVA+5JYXhOvWEhX1J3vTREtcSr FL0v8aWMnzydpyN9t9HpJXknVX5KQHSTPhiPgpfdv1j8eA/g3feb/TH8dRkIebz9WRd8 6RoSsDNn/ic1lFYg/5ygIYVxCgBzL1VSlGTlc2flh1/5vZ8YakAAxm37ic4z/me77djo J4SxILnyXtwOa4KSGZK7fnQJBwpZ5e8yNC1HzAPs+a8s250r4peoGUabTlNf1X4dQyW3 YU8g== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4FC4E701.8040303@googlemail.com> <4FC4FF7D.2050002@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 23:31:45 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Multi-channel Granular Loops From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <60gwhB.A.YmB.T5UxPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 22:31:47 +0000 (UTC) Hi Fabio, The rules are quite simple really. The boids environment has a series of simple flocking parameters, such as speed, inertia, central pull, attraction etc. I have simple made associations between environmental behaviors and musical behaviors. I created this system as part of my recent doctoral thesis. I made a pretty comprehensive (boring) tutorial video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3W2G_QTsiw Watch from around 11m03s to see the mapping strategies in action. Then from around 13m to see how the pitch information changes the flocking behavior. Ricky On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 10:16 PM, F_Anile wrote: > > Very nice and interesting ! > >> I have created a figurative relationship between the pitch of my >> guitar and the flocking behaviors so that when I play a specified >> tonic pitch the audio for the strings flock to the centre point. If I >> play a pitch outside of a diatonic set, it causes spatial inertia. I >> have also built more complex abstractions based on voice-leading >> principles etc. > > Can you say more about the "rules" you've programmed ? > This kind of "audio painting" is so fascinating to me and I'm sure that the sourround environment adds the 3rd "dimension" to the overrall experience. > > -f From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 00:03:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D747B183464; Wed, 30 May 2012 00:03:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 734051.57501.bm@omp1048.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1338336232; bh=WqTZj56LiYZsMKJwT5odtQTprtcPSwGnv0ZBfcHWrNY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=h/6wgh54tr9a7pZ0KFP/0BG6ajyrh4Fydji3TOzYSihqxs+ODB8Yg6uXeZ9Uwjv8wBYqygjBSm09Mazxt/9Moiq79AcU79di2MuXxMdsSj1pjN+8Lxei2IeX2hOgaFB1g0p3dSUXejWhmbHth29HPAAoC22SjZErt4U1KkRkv6k= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QtISgcXSdKDOHyuvITwGbVlvCEh2o0RSxesmNp4vEayzIcEvJSQNGXnupkdXktAg8DXa1ub/J59JHPsjRTX0X0mQJ/AjxRFDp2Nr1YbGU+EaqjcXLYsOmAiX53rxDbfIyIbMbgLDtE8foPJfpANbG8E3eDh1u4D8di5K3q/VkR8=; X-YMail-OSG: DDijjP8VM1nE3bV2HttKmD6V_5CwS4DG9Asds.wjfOwbcDi aE6VPVjEULsyFwLOhyqBLSVQm8QSw8Mi7XOZ7uFJrbw9U5fRk5FV13357btX wxMVxLOFD_JWt65Ct_pOU.B1e9qHg4n10sbTsLGgS2CTTES_dfdWPcwp30hH 4tpylI5xkwpJij2gTJkWUJEg.xwAxlCZbn_fipqsbRX_o0nz8RFEm_6P1Bft 6j1xVmFCITh1V9JINit1KFh5y0ElytWFG3gJS3JHd9lHYBoTuU6kWjkWzM1t 54crTZzXurkXp83JzxvMRz3jT5eaMojEjGI6HYeETMehxD.LIwZ5Ys_KY83b OHSbOLKDJgRcTlZhl1B0qdJQvkGxl6b_E_quEgpVbdMAsBNMIWm.BSXPR9hc .muYkwQQZ.d3DX6mziNqBrLGG7G0heynlfAUFPQaApDAccb1X9RupS7XNmR0 lRFPq2p3Dl7caOCBYTTEyk3Z2SqjSA7FYDuF.PldAOUdSHtXT0dvrpNIYEoV BYs4FTiRtr9bikZOs4xaZDfd1ZpjSp3.zB5swcVavZbc_jLXiRc_aybKbCOR UBp8RH1GdKzNC1iNi3koBHhkEw2vpH67_TSqzqGxjvTg- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <1338324405.88009.BPMail_high_noncarrier@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1338336232.13304.YahooMailNeo@web160704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 17:03:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Reply-To: Paul Richards Subject: Re: hi To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <1338324405.88009.BPMail_high_noncarrier@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-672873354-2119807726-1338336232=:13304" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 00:03:53 +0000 (UTC) ---672873354-2119807726-1338336232=:13304 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks! I am now making MONEY! A lot more than I ever earned looping! :) ________________________________ From: bill bigrig To: yim40shaw@yahoo.ca Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 4:46 PM Subject: hi you should check this thing out http://www.dorenews.net/biz/?news=7314327 ---672873354-2119807726-1338336232=:13304 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Thanks! I am now making MONEY! A lot more than I ever earned looping! :)

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---672873354-2119807726-1338336232=:13304-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 02:29:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76DEF183464; Wed, 30 May 2012 02:29:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FC58613.5020409@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 19:29:39 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anders Bergdahl CC: Loopers Delight Subject: Re: RE: Multi-channel Granular Loops References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090902080309050505090102" Resent-Message-ID: <82OGqB.A.0rD.bYYxPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 02:29:47 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090902080309050505090102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 5/29/12 12:23 PM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: > > Sounds great, it would be interesting to hear more about how you made > it... Ditto, Ricky. I loved listening and would love to hear how you are processing the audio. great work, man! I wish we could get you to come to the Y2K12 International Live Looping Festival in October in Santa Cruz! You'd have an amazing reception! yours, Rick --------------090902080309050505090102 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 5/29/12 12:23 PM, Anders Bergdahl wrote:

Sounds great, it would be interesting to hear more about how you made it...
Ditto, Ricky.

I loved listening and would love to hear how you are processing the audio.

great work, man!    I wish we could get you to come to the Y2K12 International Live Looping Festival
in October in Santa Cruz!      You'd have an amazing reception!

yours,   Rick
 --------------090902080309050505090102-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 09:54:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3524E18345B; Wed, 30 May 2012 09:54:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Al8uUTTSI0QaWrOmfsvsWbXmFkPru6c8IMGnLE70bsw=; b=NHP9swnY6OY37Go6cndobRxgWOoXo15gf4n7MH/QmmJWHMnbDW+PfGJij1wAx3YY8j dT1RsiSrwwA1gwSmjaE98WxpZ/mBJsAOGRLe+cBkU+9kkLxgHC51RFeYwijeJwXhkvqz tPKwa9aLo0RO4u7Us78G1X1AdPMqqno090lmQyOOCUl81iRwY2RnPZ6IsjGl231uBv7Y oKfl8FV7V8XGZrfAmnp7P5WRFPXkW8MaH95X9Ujk4sP+58JevNKmw0jjJSf7eKF4/ll1 X8U361cUAtC54dy1/4xPUGwaEzYuQQw7CBb061ISxdBUB4jGgeZTxm1yUz+jq56PbVl6 8ePg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FC58613.5020409@cruzio.com> References: <4FC58613.5020409@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 10:54:50 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: RE: Multi-channel Granular Loops From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 09:54:52 +0000 (UTC) Hey Rick, Cheers, friend. Each string has a unique effects chain built in Pure Data. I am using some of my own distortion, granular and spatialisation patches (videos of which are all on my youtube account - http://youtu.be/yDTrhOaJcM4 - skip to the end of this video for the "granular looper." The patches can be downloaded from my website - http://rickygraham.com/pages/pd2live). I also use Tom Erbe's "+soundhack externals," which are pretty awesome. All open-source, only costs time to build it all. Re: Show in Santa Cruz, I will drop you an email once I get settled stateside this August ;) Ricky Last excerpt from this show, probably my favourite (+ some bottle neck slide): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Do1FftfPGezs On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 3:29 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 5/29/12 12:23 PM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: > > > Sounds great, it would be interesting to hear more about how you made it.= .. > > Ditto, Ricky. > > I loved listening and would love to hear how you are processing the audio= . > > great work, man!=A0=A0=A0 I wish we could get you to come to the Y2K12 > International Live Looping Festival > in October in Santa Cruz!=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 You'd have an amazing reception! > > yours,=A0=A0 Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 16:23:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D948B18345C; Wed, 30 May 2012 16:23:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=psWcb5N98119OaOi9bjyg15qVElTHlpKZyP+LUQnThs= c=1 sm=1 a=v4Zf6__9FKIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:17 a=jJrOw3FHAAAA:8 a=iVk-uKYNQzZt0nwlPqYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Multi-channel Granular Loops From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 09:23:35 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <76768D9C-13D0-4D54-910F-0301AC6FC3FC@charter.net> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 16:23:37 +0000 (UTC) Intriguing. Very much enjoyed the music and the visuals. I understand you are using PureData (which is sort of like MaxMSP, which = I use). Very creative use of technology that still manages to sound warm and = human (I think). On May 29, 2012, at 6:51 AM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Hi Guys, >=20 > Some granular looping etc. in this excerpt from the most recent > multi-channel gig: http://youtu.be/PL-DNUQazRw >=20 > Please enjoy! >=20 > Ricky From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 16:32:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D2DE18345D; Wed, 30 May 2012 16:32:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=30RONrkFJMNyTXnA4+pp4sbuNSwUWDrVMjWAVMIT14A=; b=iODnnb8bTrw9vj47UehmCcR3GqmOcM4R2TGMc3sSrxBmQfiRNWG/r8fuQfG+zuCQmi J/feyVKZ23aH86GST3auAaybKbNdKNHrSQxTI9UIIVMdCjiC4we3cgsPWQyfW2IgDnRV VOIRSeYHzFDqPAT0O+SZEOJ4UD7a7SsL7DdK26aTE9KeqScH1Vdz/DVzMnzlCRX5+Ki0 YUiOFCroPtuIbF0NRY548Ivb4LgzpXPzsXFzffW07ksNmgHi+ocKe5RK7rkeKFrAo5ze WW3rezmvaTvt8sYuCWkXwLwKgPIHsXzZMCfJeYZI7eVgFOyzqdpKmqZtCwOgSj9gJAK7 IKNQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <76768D9C-13D0-4D54-910F-0301AC6FC3FC@charter.net> References: <76768D9C-13D0-4D54-910F-0301AC6FC3FC@charter.net> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 12:32:49 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Multi-channel Granular Loops From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3071c71081dae204c1438062 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 16:32:50 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3071c71081dae204c1438062 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ricky that's beautiful sound, emotions and visuals. Like the visual element of the imagery and the 'live' of your performance below. Jim On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Ted Killian wrote= : > Intriguing. > > Very much enjoyed the music and the visuals. > > I understand you are using PureData (which is sort of like MaxMSP, which = I > use). > > Very creative use of technology that still manages to sound warm and huma= n > (I think). > > On May 29, 2012, at 6:51 AM, Ricky Graham wrote: > > > Hi Guys, > > > > Some granular looping etc. in this excerpt from the most recent > > multi-channel gig: http://youtu.be/PL-DNUQazRw > > > > Please enjoy! > > > > Ricky > > --=20 --=20 *jimgoodin.com* - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minimalism' *From Brooklyn To Glindran *, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from this CD will benefit *JDRF International * *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. --20cf3071c71081dae204c1438062 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ricky that's beautiful sound, emotions and visuals.=A0 Like the vi= sual element of the imagery and=A0the 'live' of your performance be= low.
=A0
Jim

On= Wed, May 30, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Ted Killian <tedkillian@charter.net= > wrote:
Intriguing.

Very much enjoyed the music and the visuals.

I understand you are using PureData (which is sort of like MaxMSP, which I = use).

Very creative use of technology that still manages to sound warm and human = (I think).

On May 29, 2012, at 6:51 AM, Ricky Graham wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>
> Some granular looping etc. in this excerpt from the most recent
> multi-channel gig: http://youtu.be/PL-DNUQazRw
>
> Please enjoy!
>
> Ricky




--
--
jimgoodin.co= m - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive minim= alism'
=A0
From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz= recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from this CD will= benefit JDRF Internation= al

Tips Across the Waters, a= new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.

--20cf3071c71081dae204c1438062-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 17:18:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92F99183461; Wed, 30 May 2012 17:18:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Lv4pYZ16+aYM7Gl3q2ubZPELLfpOMDktJZmvtCI0NGY=; b=QGR2tlgf5dYwlgsQFGA97KrkNTYl2AdiLRKay04dHR7Ob6cWOc0G4rK22G4/ezMUld 4AQ2+Zej9JbOPXoQ1NxhpjRNqmohrzMvYSyCKOR3d9+g9m8LmNUSw7LON3mgS69mdibK GuCzQI3zylG+ePzktlBUcgOuu+INAS0NRjVsrLW4NuJx6jmFggPzg2q6SwUWllwFZss1 pgRQemOv5eiqEzwY3dJwJ4vSXb7CElFTLrrz6wf5k2t+kr44zioVxa85Zj0LuGm0fgMN 7seWxlSkKe1jVP+OWvKMsndxARGhySt5KpFCByRFm3s0gAVNrpgVlvMDTtLy8l+mssyY CShA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <76768D9C-13D0-4D54-910F-0301AC6FC3FC@charter.net> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 18:18:48 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Multi-channel Granular Loops From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 17:18:50 +0000 (UTC) Thanks guys. Glad it comes across as "human," Ted. It is the most important aspect. On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Jim Goodin wrot= e: > Ricky that's beautiful sound, emotions and visuals.=A0 Like the visual el= ement > of the imagery and=A0the 'live' of your performance below. > > Jim > > On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Ted Killian > wrote: >> >> Intriguing. >> >> Very much enjoyed the music and the visuals. >> >> I understand you are using PureData (which is sort of like MaxMSP, which= I >> use). >> >> Very creative use of technology that still manages to sound warm and hum= an >> (I think). >> >> On May 29, 2012, at 6:51 AM, Ricky Graham wrote: >> >> > Hi Guys, >> > >> > Some granular looping etc. in this excerpt from the most recent >> > multi-channel gig: http://youtu.be/PL-DNUQazRw >> > >> > Please enjoy! >> > >> > Ricky >> > > > > -- > -- > jimgoodin.com - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive > minimalism' > > From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin = & > Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from this CD will benefit JDRF International > > Tips Across the Waters, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire > Ware. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 30 17:19:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66BBA18345E; Wed, 30 May 2012 17:19:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8WeP9dYyu7+bN9ftZBpoBjeWd5pSqEOPEzMhtKhCT+c=; b=K2wfL12k6/j4cUkmZqyPN1cOMUqMG2s130sVYvzd+Hj3Xq2sNWO5tMJt6cIUSLa2W4 MW0APNF8FZclk3U3w8JhSI9xauHzQRY9nQDaIWAlewECEYFtCc2dIHTDZjuejZEOoSzy FvCrQZmy4ZPFdWMKbWv3w+s4l5lnUxFkMXNsG9oc6MSe9iPY6p8vfxwvGnsbv0lbIGuV 0UlXh1qG1LwXMeWsKDwSwCKhx1xQw2qN5x7PzhMKkM+3ZUVGdJylireQNrqNhXv20kcG hbseug47g8s17QA0pI8+z+U2go5NBdrXwFAsu0RyZBnBdhbDVguiquxjtGe0NKBll5HV k6iw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <76768D9C-13D0-4D54-910F-0301AC6FC3FC@charter.net> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 18:19:26 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Multi-channel Granular Loops From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 17:19:27 +0000 (UTC) Pd is very much the same as Max/MSP (except it isn't as pretty and doesn't cost any $$$) On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Thanks guys. Glad it comes across as "human," Ted. It is the most > important aspect. > > On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Jim Goodin wr= ote: >> Ricky that's beautiful sound, emotions and visuals.=A0 Like the visual e= lement >> of the imagery and=A0the 'live' of your performance below. >> >> Jim >> >> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Ted Killian >> wrote: >>> >>> Intriguing. >>> >>> Very much enjoyed the music and the visuals. >>> >>> I understand you are using PureData (which is sort of like MaxMSP, whic= h I >>> use). >>> >>> Very creative use of technology that still manages to sound warm and hu= man >>> (I think). >>> >>> On May 29, 2012, at 6:51 AM, Ricky Graham wrote: >>> >>> > Hi Guys, >>> > >>> > Some granular looping etc. in this excerpt from the most recent >>> > multi-channel gig: http://youtu.be/PL-DNUQazRw >>> > >>> > Please enjoy! >>> > >>> > Ricky >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> jimgoodin.com - 'Acoustic guitar renaissance, color blue, repetitive >> minimalism' >> >> From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin= & >> Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds from this CD will benefit JDRF International >> >> Tips Across the Waters, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wir= e >> Ware. >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 03:47:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F23C18345C; Thu, 31 May 2012 03:47:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Z/06Xxtr0+8pkba5I0KfVkxIorFaSWYWwy1WGYkEphg=; b=S5S73u/iS1GdQyOY1/3j/dkXtJA3sewiViV2UJRhlbPaDEB8qFM+RJoNSQNka4WMm/ QbNEV7IE3u+ctzVxjlNhWx+voIDNpfdoPopJCAU3HIUZO0/pmIiEzlMfW/4Hj/dCShOq HxF1GMFFvZHhjEo114R7xrISKHzxVw1uub9PjMfGrhrFVQnqVxQBsC224G3Pb8ipRtDe bmh+e8HCJ0SJLpdmljdNIcHAzWsnm2Zp/cpeXrFcz85NfhsBRVbtrZWEUrOKrmlWecLL BPlc3JLcy9IQa4HRz+fLqmTzfXKhGHdOxPW9G6V3kYZuHdZ6Ge9jxlzcFASNgR98hTF4 Lqaw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 20:47:28 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: I really need some advice for Senior Project From: "kay'lon rushing" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504502da1e3b315e04c14ced74 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 03:47:30 +0000 (UTC) --00504502da1e3b315e04c14ced74 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have to turn in my highschool senior project proposal tomorrow if I want to be approved to work on it over summer which I do. It is a given that I want it to be about electronic music. But I dont know how to expand on that idea. It has to take at least 15 hours of working on it. I was thinking about doing reasearch on different styles of electronic music and composing an album consisting of 3-4 different styles that I researched. That would definitely take 15 hours. But I also was considering researching electronic music performance. As it is quite a mysterious subject that I really struggle understanding to this day. And for the final product I would put on a performance myself. Your feedback is far more appreciated than you can imagine as this is really last minute. --00504502da1e3b315e04c14ced74 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have to turn in my highschool senior project proposal tomorrow if I wa= nt to be approved to work on it over summer which I do. It is a given that = I want it to be about electronic music. But I dont know how to expand on th= at idea. It has to take at least 15 hours of working on it. I was thinking = about doing reasearch on different styles of electronic music and composing= an album consisting of 3-4 different styles that I researched. That would = definitely take 15 hours. But I also was considering researching electronic= music performance. As it is quite a mysterious subject that I really strug= gle understanding to this day. And for the final product I would put on a p= erformance myself. Your feedback is far more appreciated than you can imagi= ne as this is really last minute.

--00504502da1e3b315e04c14ced74-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 05:28:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D3F118345C; Thu, 31 May 2012 05:28:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=oXbCoXy3cMokmvpElKEKMpHEh9JGD5jcGyyQY+naeMkAPgmGCazo4DDitES6FKmi; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <32276138.1338442081436.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 00:28:01 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Grant Reply-To: Grant To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I really need some advice for Senior Project Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 X-ELNK-Trace: 4627597e215714c3ca853a8129e90869f402879cecb40bd5603cf96025781574baf6af390b60a889e5e8729744d99637350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.25 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 05:28:12 +0000 (UTC)

A few thoughts:

1- Break the 'last minute' habit! It will help you later in life!

 

2- Get your grammar teacher to grade this inquiry! What you learn from him/her will help you later in life!

 

3- This is not necessarily a forum for electronic music although some here do use similar equipment and techniques. What prior experience do you have with 'electronic music' (or music in general) and what instruments do you play? What equipment do you have available to create, record and arrange a musical piece and do you already have some experience using these instruments/tools? There are quite a few well-versed and imaginative musicians here who would probably be glad to throw out a few ideas but your request is too vague for anyone to offer much help without more details. And, of course, time is very short.

 

G

 
-----Original Message-----
From: kay'lon rushing
Sent: May 30, 2012 10:47 PM
To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"
Subject: I really need some advice for Senior Project

I have to turn in my highschool senior project proposal tomorrow if I want to be approved to work on it over summer which I do. It is a given that I want it to be about electronic music. But I dont know how to expand on that idea. It has to take at least 15 hours of working on it. I was thinking about doing reasearch on different styles of electronic music and composing an album consisting of 3-4 different styles that I researched. That would definitely take 15 hours. But I also was considering researching electronic music performance. As it is quite a mysterious subject that I really struggle understanding to this day. And for the final product I would put on a performance myself. Your feedback is far more appreciated than you can imagine as this is really last minute.

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 07:01:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41B4F18345D; Thu, 31 May 2012 07:01:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=P41GtyCuMlmJsw0LbL4zZMt5OLfClPO8QnzKG7IlTPSF9xJfboiOgQ8IVoA6wA4h; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <17005059.1338447664148.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 02:01:03 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Grant Reply-To: Grant To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I really need some advice for Senior Project Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 X-ELNK-Trace: 4627597e215714c3ca853a8129e90869f402879cecb40bd5603cf960257815742f32913b79b03077c078aea63b72d6fc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.25 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 07:01:15 +0000 (UTC)

I was= about to suggest you investigate something like Reason but it would seem y= ou already have a decent set of instruments and tools. 10 years of piano wo= uld also seem sufficient for a workable set of 'chops'. The question now be= comes "what are you missing?" 'Electronic music' is a fairly broad term the= se days but it has its roots in computer generated sounds, melodies (such a= s they were!) and arrangements. If you had started sooner I could have conn= ected you with one of Merrell Ellis' grad students who worked with him at U= NT(NTSU) back in the heyday of EM. I saw a number of their 'concerts' and i= t was quite fascinating at the time. The equipment was impressive, walls of= synthesizers, tape decks, sequencers, etc. but you really had to have a wi= de open mindset to consider it much more than just noise. Is something alon= g these more historic lines appealing to you? If so you may need to develop= some programming skills and learn how to control the instruments you have = by means of an original 'composer/player' program. More currently I think t= he trend is more towards interaction between a human performer and a machin= e(s). This approach allows the human to create some basic rules and guideli= nes (rhythmic, melodic, chordal, etc.) and then allow the machine to 'play = along' in some (hopefully) meaningful way. I am currently experimenting wit= h a program called Jamstix which is an interactive 'drummer'. In theory it = can accept MIDI and audio input as a reference and compose an appropriate d= rum part. There are also programs like Jammer Pro that can compos= e complete songs with little more than a sketchy outline. But creating some= thing along these lines may be beyond the scope of your project and would p= robably require far more time than you're planning to invest. And I guess t= hey're not really what you would call EM either so there are probably bette= r choices.

 

Since= folks on this forum generally use loopers as a tool you might consider bec= oming familiar with some looping techniques. One concept is to create = long dreamy phrases and let them play against themselves in an (often) unsy= nchronized way which results in an everchanging musical landscape. Along th= e way the phrase(s) can be manipulated/mangled, other parts added and subtr= acted, etc. You can search the archives here to find examples of this and m= any other looping techniques. This also lends itself to eventual 'live' per= formances too once you have a handle on the processes involved.

 

Anywa= y, I'm hoping a few other folks will chime in with an idea or two. Can you = give us any more clues about what you have in mind based on your current kn= owledge and experience with EM? Maybe I'm way off the track here!

 

G

 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 08:06:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF40D18345E; Thu, 31 May 2012 08:06:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=UY3CR2I8u1NotuaeSN8N0k5RseJb54ys2i9WLZeGaYv32U6AiEB/tx33E4iFfXum; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <19177127.1338451585873.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 03:06:25 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Grant Reply-To: Grant To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I really need some advice for Senior Project Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 X-ELNK-Trace: 4627597e215714c3ca853a8129e90869f402879cecb40bd5603cf9602578157433d7f6940e53a2ad32c396c89176d672350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.25 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 08:06:26 +0000 (UTC)

Well, the storms are rolling in and it's quite late here so I'll have to bid you adieu for tonight. Good luck on the project! Do check the list archives for audio and video clips posted by many of this list's participants. Maybe something you find will generate the spark you're looking for.

 

G

 

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 08:21:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F20F18345D; Thu, 31 May 2012 08:21:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=IdQ/Ci86g+Cchi4O56dE2u4qZPWkzbjgMJmB/DudYwLLkMNSeL6/CZvH+IEcclU1; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <13447924.1338452463449.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 04:21:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Grant Reply-To: Grant To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I really need some advice for Senior Project Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 X-ELNK-Trace: 4627597e215714c3ca853a8129e90869f402879cecb40bd5603cf9602578157420fe97d5df3a45df9736b6aa37a67dd9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.25 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 08:21:04 +0000 (UTC)

"Do you happen to have any knowledge on these genres?"

 

(Just happened to catch this before shutting down)

 

Ahh. I should have been thinking in much more modern (Electronica) terms! I can't say I know much about them, certainly not enough to finely differentiate them from one another. I'm definitely 'old school' in most of my musical skills and interests (many here are much more hip than I!). Glad you've found a plan though (and just in time!). You might actually want to investigate Reason after all, very complete application for these new musical forms. You probably qualify for an educational discount too.

 

G

 

 

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 08:30:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0434D18345D; Thu, 31 May 2012 08:30:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_bea21c04-b39c-47bc-a0bb-29e4de8d5e56_" X-Originating-IP: [86.153.219.144] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: I really need some advice for Senior Project Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 08:30:17 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 May 2012 08:30:17.0390 (UTC) FILETIME=[9BBEB4E0:01CD3F07] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 08:30:18 +0000 (UTC) --_bea21c04-b39c-47bc-a0bb-29e4de8d5e56_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk Date: Wed=2C 30 May 2012 20:47:28 -0700 Subject: I really need some advice for Senior Project From: k3zz21@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com I have to turn in my highschool senior project proposal tomorrow if I want = to be approved to work on it over summer which I do. It is a given that I w= ant it to be about electronic music. But I dont know how to expand on that = idea. It has to take at least 15 hours of working on it. I was thinking abo= ut doing reasearch on different styles of electronic music and composing an= album consisting of 3-4 different styles that I researched. That would def= initely take 15 hours. But I also was considering researching electronic mu= sic performance. As it is quite a mysterious subject that I really struggle= understanding to this day. And for the final product I would put on a perf= ormance myself. Your feedback is far more appreciated than you can imagine = as this is really last minute. = --_bea21c04-b39c-47bc-a0bb-29e4de8d5e56_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

Date: Wed=2C 30 May 2012 20= :47:28 -0700
Subject: I really need some advice for Senior Project
Fr= om: k3zz21@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

I ha= ve to turn in my highschool senior project proposal tomorrow if I want to b= e approved to work on it over summer which I do. It is a given that I want = it to be about electronic music. But I dont know how to expand on that idea= . It has to take at least 15 hours of working on it. I was thinking about d= oing reasearch on different styles of electronic music and composing an alb= um consisting of 3-4 different styles that I researched. That would definit= ely take 15 hours. But I also was considering researching electronic music = performance. As it is quite a mysterious subject that I really struggle und= erstanding to this day. And for the final product I would put on a performa= nce myself. Your feedback is far more appreciated than you can imagine as t= his is really last minute.
= --_bea21c04-b39c-47bc-a0bb-29e4de8d5e56_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 08:33:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E2A718345C; Thu, 31 May 2012 08:33:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_723b6bfc-1b47-48da-bdf2-6d788dba6bff_" X-Originating-IP: [86.153.219.144] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: I really need some advice for Senior Project Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 08:33:07 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 May 2012 08:33:07.0572 (UTC) FILETIME=[012E6B40:01CD3F08] Resent-Message-ID: <61OEHC.A.xnD.EzyxPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 08:33:08 +0000 (UTC) --_723b6bfc-1b47-48da-bdf2-6d788dba6bff_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My advice would be not to do your project on something you're really in the= dark about - Your proposal may not make sense. Better to stick to somethin= g you know something about initially that you can then expand. The album id= ea gives you scope to do excellent work that is well researched.Good luck G Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk Date: Wed=2C 30 May 2012 20:47:28 -0700 Subject: I really need some advice for Senior Project From: k3zz21@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com I have to turn in my highschool senior project proposal tomorrow if I want = to be approved to work on it over summer which I do. It is a given that I w= ant it to be about electronic music. But I dont know how to expand on that = idea. It has to take at least 15 hours of working on it. I was thinking abo= ut doing reasearch on different styles of electronic music and composing an= album consisting of 3-4 different styles that I researched. That would def= initely take 15 hours. But I also was considering researching electronic mu= sic performance. As it is quite a mysterious subject that I really struggle= understanding to this day. And for the final product I would put on a perf= ormance myself. Your feedback is far more appreciated than you can imagine = as this is really last minute. = --_723b6bfc-1b47-48da-bdf2-6d788dba6bff_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My advice would be not to do your project on something you're really in the= dark about - Your proposal may not make sense. Better to stick to somethin= g you know something about initially that you can then expand. The album id= ea gives you scope to do excellent work that is well researched.
Good l= uck

G

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk<= /a>

Date: Wed=2C 30 May 2012 20:47:28 -0700
Subject: I really need some a= dvice for Senior Project
From: k3zz21@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@l= oopers-delight.com

I have to turn in my highschool senior project pr= oposal tomorrow if I want to be approved to work on it over summer which I = do. It is a given that I want it to be about electronic music. But I dont k= now how to expand on that idea. It has to take at least 15 hours of working= on it. I was thinking about doing reasearch on different styles of electro= nic music and composing an album consisting of 3-4 different styles that I = researched. That would definitely take 15 hours. But I also was considering= researching electronic music performance. As it is quite a mysterious subj= ect that I really struggle understanding to this day. And for the final pro= duct I would put on a performance myself. Your feedback is far more appreci= ated than you can imagine as this is really last minute.
=
= --_723b6bfc-1b47-48da-bdf2-6d788dba6bff_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 10:01:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B998F18345D; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:01:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Lplf4wuGSLJf0dkOGgs10YJ2Fy8/d+CH8ulFIfk3r0s=; b=tRwrelmJbXnoEnX7hQnjxOb2GGVkx2/GfLBGtEsTqbX2v6SlEAZQtI2PwjfoSucwQf 0mZrt+rJR2ro5kZq0NrdpcdlamsxjN21tAsMyCxBpOnFXyGfcwJyX3AZvKV136DmNX3U m53ld7tJMR16JI+0qS6IRM8O5UwsttND6Pf65NdWvAAcJ1MMbCVta4GmGNt9kiEnCEdQ Aperj2qpbiifULjCfjBrS/iDx1GGsRNyU82wREp/JnpAl/F3Qogg4XAw5LZ2xKRGtEAk pNd/mssIhwXILiUv7XzkdHL2tfC7ufckBlvEYxmg6QNvMvi5FHQ5vT+qLkxnxqamg/pg x7tg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <31B62BB6-571F-4438-9D3E-D9D0D768C399@baymoon.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 11:01:08 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looperlative LP2 From: Pawel Janowski To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b10ca2d8f28f404c15225ca Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 10:01:10 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b10ca2d8f28f404c15225ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 To quickly follow up on the LP2 experience. I had a few sessions with it at home and I am very happy with the workflow and the sounds I can get from it. The only issue to date is that I haven't had great luck using my Boss EV-5 expression pedal to control feedback. Not sure if I am doing something wrong (the manual is not very detailed on this) or if I need to try a different pedal. Anyone got the feedback control working? What pedal did you use? On 26 April 2012 00:59, Pawel Janowski wrote: > I am not sure if it's good or not that I am not the only one who had that > "cutting out and resetting" issue. I am not 100% sure and I haven't done > this very scientifically, but in my case everything suggests that it was > the power supply that solved it. I tried it twice with the following signal > chains: > > 1. Stock Fender strat into the LP2 powered by a standard Vooodo Labe PP2+ > into a Fender Champ 600 > 2. Stock Fender strat into the LP2 powered by a generic 9v 200ma power > supply into a Behringer headphone amp. > > In each case I tried multiple mix and input gain settings. In the first > case I had the cutoff problem occur every time I hit the strings hard, > especially higher up the neck (that's single oil pickups, so nothing too > hot) and the only solution was to turn the guitar volume down. In the > second case I was unable to reproduce the problem at all. > > Maybe LP2 does not like the PP2? > > > On 25 April 2012 17:12, William Walker wrote: > >> - It can be a bit fussy with power supplies. I tried it first with a >>> spare output from my PP2+ pedalboard and it worked fine unless I hit >>> strings too hard, at which point it would make a 'pop' sound and reset. >>> >> >> I too encountered this popping and reseting phenomena if I really >> slammed the strings hard, when demoing Rick's and I was using the high >> current ports on my voodoo lab PP-2 so I'm not sure the power supply is the >> issue. I also had to select the lowest gain setting because I'm running a >> pretty hot signal in to it with a wah, a couple of drive pedal and an ep-1 >> clean boost that I leave on and it converts the signal to low impedance. At >> the highest gain setting it was really pushing the front in of my princeton >> reverb and likely overdriving the chorus pedal and M-9 downstream. I was >> was able to tame the issue by leaving the mix pot at about half way which >> gave good blend, but that ceiling and cutoff issue was troubling to me. >> Regarding the feedback port. I believe its continuously variable so if you >> just back the expression pedal off a bit you will get a more gradual fade >> slope. Also the length of the loop will determine how fast it fades, so >> shorter loops fade faster. >> Bill >> >> > --047d7b10ca2d8f28f404c15225ca Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
To quickly follow up on the LP2 experience.
=A0
I = had a few sessions with it at home and I am very=A0happy with the workflow = and the sounds I can get from it. The only issue to date is that I haven= 9;t had great luck using my Boss EV-5 expression pedal to control feedback.= Not sure if I am doing something wrong (the manual is not very detailed on= this) or if I need to try a different pedal. Anyone got the feedback contr= ol=A0working? What pedal did you use?
=A0
I am not sure if it's good or not that I am = not the only one who had that "cutting out and resetting" issue. = I am not 100% sure and I haven't done this very scientifically, but in = my case everything suggests that it was the power supply that solved it. I = tried it twice with the following signal chains:

1. Stock= Fender strat into the LP2 powered by a standard Vooodo Labe PP2+ into a Fe= nder Champ 600
2. Stock Fender strat into the LP2 powered by a = generic 9v 200ma power supply into a Behringer headphone amp.

In each case I tried=A0multiple= =A0mix and input gain settings. In the first case I had the cutoff problem = occur every time I hit the strings hard, especially higher up the neck (tha= t's single oil pickups, so nothing too hot) and the only solution was t= o turn the guitar volume down. In the second case I was unable to reproduce= the problem at all.

Maybe LP2 does not like the PP2?

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On 25 April 2012 1= 7:12, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
- It can be a bit fussy with power supplies. I tried it first with a spare = output from my PP2+ pedalboard and it worked fine unless I hit strings too = hard, at which point it would make a 'pop' sound and reset.

=A0I too encountered =A0this popping and reseting phenomena if I really sla= mmed the strings hard, when demoing Rick's and I was using the high cur= rent ports on my voodoo lab PP-2 so I'm not sure the power supply is th= e issue. I also had to select the lowest gain setting because I'm runni= ng a pretty hot signal in to it with a wah, a couple of drive pedal and an = ep-1 clean boost that I leave on and it converts the signal to low impedanc= e. At the highest gain setting it was really pushing the front in of my pri= nceton reverb and likely overdriving the chorus pedal and M-9 downstream. I= was =A0was able to tame the issue by leaving the mix pot at about half way= which gave good blend, but that ceiling and cutoff issue was troubling to = me. =A0Regarding the feedback port. I believe its continuously variable so = if you just back the expression pedal off a bit you will get a more gradual= fade slope. Also the length of the loop will determine how fast it fades, = so shorter loops fade faster.
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Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 12:57:22 +0000 (UTC) ---820900331-163063740-1338469040=:9461 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Start out simple. Get the book, "handmade Electronic Music", by Nick Collis. You will find dozens of easy projects that are well explained. You will be able to have several "electronic music" devicesto display. Rig ________________________________ From: Gareth Whittock To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 1:33 AM Subject: RE: I really need some advice for Senior Project My advice would be not to do your project on something you're really in the dark about - Your proposal may not make sense. Better to stick to something you know something about initially that you can then expand. The album idea gives you scope to do excellent work that is well researched. Good luck G Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk ________________________________ Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 20:47:28 -0700 Subject: I really need some advice for Senior Project From: k3zz21@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com I have to turn in my highschool senior project proposal tomorrow if I want to be approved to work on it over summer which I do. It is a given that I want it to be about electronic music. But I dont know how to expand on that idea. It has to take at least 15 hours of working on it. I was thinking about doing reasearch on different styles of electronic music and composing an album consisting of 3-4 different styles that I researched. That would definitely take 15 hours. But I also was considering researching electronic music performance. As it is quite a mysterious subject that I really struggle understanding to this day. And for the final product I would put on a performance myself. Your feedback is far more appreciated than you can imagine as this is really last minute. ---820900331-163063740-1338469040=:9461 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Start out simple. Get the book, "handmade Electronic Music", by Nick Collis. You will find dozens of easy projects that are well explained. You will be able to have several "electronic music" devicesto display.
Rig
From: Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk>
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 1:33 AM
Subject: RE: I really need some advice for Senior Project

My advice would be not to do your project on something you're really in the dark about - Your proposal may not make sense. Better to stick to something you know something about initially that you can then expand. The album idea gives you scope to do excellent work that is well researched.
Good luck

G

Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 20:47:28 -0700
Subject: I really need some advice for Senior Project
From: k3zz21@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

I have to turn in my highschool senior project proposal tomorrow if I want to be approved to work on it over summer which I do. It is a given that I want it to be about electronic music. But I dont know how to expand on that idea. It has to take at least 15 hours of working on it. I was thinking about doing reasearch on different styles of electronic music and composing an album consisting of 3-4 different styles that I researched. That would definitely take 15 hours. But I also was considering researching electronic music performance. As it is quite a mysterious subject that I really struggle understanding to this day. And for the final product I would put on a performance myself. Your feedback is far more appreciated than you can imagine as this is really last minute.


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Sorry, the author is Nick Collins
Rig

From: Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk>
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 1:33 AM
Subject: RE: I really need some advice for Senior Project

My advice would be not to do your project on something you're really in the dark about - Your proposal may not make sense. Better to stick to something you know something about initially that you can then expand. The album idea gives you scope to do excellent work that is well researched.
Good luck

G

Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 20:47:28 -0700
Subject: I really need some advice for Senior Project
From: k3zz21@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

I have to turn in my highschool senior project proposal tomorrow if I want to be approved to work on it over summer which I do. It is a given that I want it to be about electronic music. But I dont know how to expand on that idea. It has to take at least 15 hours of working on it. I was thinking about doing reasearch on different styles of electronic music and composing an album consisting of 3-4 different styles that I researched. That would definitely take 15 hours. But I also was considering researching electronic music performance. As it is quite a mysterious subject that I really struggle understanding to this day. And for the final product I would put on a performance myself. Your feedback is far more appreciated than you can imagine as this is really last minute.


---495408613-866219304-1338469096=:5711-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 13:08:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7975718345D; Thu, 31 May 2012 13:08:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 414741.56669.bm@omp1066.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1338469698; bh=YEV5P9M+iPBZgHWzM5HyYp4uIPswPAPlzAv7seHtdMs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Dm8mn9/oLP1MaJ6t+EM3FlGUx61oDIF0sSiP3woTu5mduLl3Pv3YAg6TRA/AujWdFB+HgGiZp1cP9W+kxlkYxCYLqKWwpr6wHO6GP5xAECQK4Aq76yCM1D7RJBKqtEWdT44LXZuubhTXleipyf0E6mOcNlyqmEV03NBdnzbikYk= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sp3gMDVSdOuSpGcVoq1+D4mTpHRHDu9rTtr63xQCGvD8atxTAvLXi3n0MxKTRBfMfSSu5zTrfrDrAwaUUl/PrqWups5dsLYy/0MP7oPr+YQTwdC9Obk7DBnVztc0mm3vuhwnRMLABaDVr4N/GZDys6mdZAGGc4dme+3kE3OPfgU=; X-YMail-OSG: JdaOW0kVM1luOGT4WFLnz6Pq59EoeCIQ7XTtlXioprPbkHS _O01n2v9.6xmYRC8tH_ySyHWaB2aLzZlQX7af0PJea0x4Klm5Ng2Y9MdjCql pA1zchwkOInfk.kMWa1Qx.9Bpc4UwnkHJqilHmToCBXoSvcyXDBUXPdS5884 wufLqvtScEsmpEFvz20o3ezKV6HInRNvzhEDJkRnpAjfIc5FZw9_iPd4slwG gZwweO5.36bGav7fUw6dV45EomwblNul0z4e4MUCC5kt9aRPrsLuxIXO3ThT 8utF0_Vybs7X3zk7yEQ59QCdA8ErPEvqbjcc82VFS.UKlkpEhs2Vij0pPlZi oSc2.2CvULbrrR.9BPrb1o40cCTq9oKKxHVRu_wB707Mw7.qRkpJftxaWaLx klE.M6vAJUH.9FhjhXFok.EJwN8VM.bgTIEF91F5nDLts3.n9KgVDGU5xmwi R.m0Y5n0n_t4Gm8QYbw1meP6TBC.cs4hl4_DcOm4Q3WHn5PUpOGt75WsUCrA yjW9p9GZuDkqxLTZhgnvvAMcn7Y8zBKKXQ1EOCTr9YZ9mbx1A0SXH X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: Message-ID: <1338469697.82456.YahooMailNeo@web32506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 06:08:17 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: I really need some advice for Senior Project To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1118611504-1985161902-1338469697=:82456" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:08:19 +0000 (UTC) ---1118611504-1985161902-1338469697=:82456 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Tell them you are going to make your own electronic music instruments that you will perform with. you are going to use common computer chips to make controllable music devices. Then go out, get the book, and start building. You won't be sorry.This is the bok where everyone that wants to build quick, unique, and playable electronic music should start. The first device is a speaker two soda can tabs, some wire, and a battery. It is called a victorian synthesizer. It gets WAY better from there. Rig ________________________________ From: Gareth Whittock To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 1:33 AM Subject: RE: I really need some advice for Senior Project My advice would be not to do your project on something you're really in the dark about - Your proposal may not make sense. Better to stick to something you know something about initially that you can then expand. The album idea gives you scope to do excellent work that is well researched. Good luck G Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk ________________________________ Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 20:47:28 -0700 Subject: I really need some advice for Senior Project From: k3zz21@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com I have to turn in my highschool senior project proposal tomorrow if I want to be approved to work on it over summer which I do. It is a given that I want it to be about electronic music. But I dont know how to expand on that idea. It has to take at least 15 hours of working on it. I was thinking about doing reasearch on different styles of electronic music and composing an album consisting of 3-4 different styles that I researched. That would definitely take 15 hours. But I also was considering researching electronic music performance. As it is quite a mysterious subject that I really struggle understanding to this day. And for the final product I would put on a performance myself. Your feedback is far more appreciated than you can imagine as this is really last minute. ---1118611504-1985161902-1338469697=:82456 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Tell them you are going to make your own electronic music instruments that you will perform with. you are going to use common computer chips to make controllable music devices. Then go out, get the book, and start building. You won't be sorry.This is the bok where everyone that wants to build quick, unique, and playable electronic music should start. The first device is a speaker two soda can tabs, some wire, and a battery. It is called a victorian synthesizer. It gets WAY better from there.
Rig
From: Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk>
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 1:33 AM
Subject: RE: I really need some advice for Senior Project

My advice would be not to do your project on something you're really in the dark about - Your proposal may not make sense. Better to stick to something you know something about initially that you can then expand. The album idea gives you scope to do excellent work that is well researched.
Good luck

G

Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 20:47:28 -0700
Subject: I really need some advice for Senior Project
From: k3zz21@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

I have to turn in my highschool senior project proposal tomorrow if I want to be approved to work on it over summer which I do. It is a given that I want it to be about electronic music. But I dont know how to expand on that idea. It has to take at least 15 hours of working on it. I was thinking about doing reasearch on different styles of electronic music and composing an album consisting of 3-4 different styles that I researched. That would definitely take 15 hours. But I also was considering researching electronic music performance. As it is quite a mysterious subject that I really struggle understanding to this day. And for the final product I would put on a performance myself. Your feedback is far more appreciated than you can imagine as this is really last minute.


---1118611504-1985161902-1338469697=:82456-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 13:21:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A318A18345C; Thu, 31 May 2012 13:21:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <1338469040.9461.YahooMailNeo@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1338469040.9461.YahooMailNeo@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--613972161 Message-Id: <503E23F3-77CE-43BA-A315-84D2AE004CA7@ubergadget.com> From: Revfever Subject: Re: I really need some advice for Senior Project (Nicolas Collins) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 06:21:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:21:30 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--613972161 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > "Handmade Electronic Music", by Nick Collins. More good advice from the Rigster. There's a second edition "expanded" version of the book that came out in 2009 and even includes a DVD. Next on my list to get as soon as I'm able to... http://www.nicolascollins.com/handmade.htm Also, Collins has some great electronic music that he has released thru the years. Seek them out.... http://www.nicolascollins.com/recordscds.htm Cheers- Rev.Fever Portlandia http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult > You will find dozens of easy projects that are well explained. You > will be able to have several "electronic music" devices to display. > Rig > From: Gareth Whittock > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 1:33 AM > Subject: RE: I really need some advice for Senior Project > > My advice would be not to do your project on something you're > really in the dark about - Your proposal may not make sense. Better > to stick to something you know something about initially that you > can then expand. The album idea gives you scope to do excellent > work that is well researched. > Good luck > > G > > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > > Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 20:47:28 -0700 > Subject: I really need some advice for Senior Project > From: k3zz21@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > I have to turn in my highschool senior project proposal tomorrow if > I want to be approved to work on it over summer which I do. It is a > given that I want it to be about electronic music. But I dont know > how to expand on that idea. It has to take at least 15 hours of > working on it. I was thinking about doing reasearch on different > styles of electronic music and composing an album consisting of 3-4 > different styles that I researched. That would definitely take 15 > hours. But I also was considering researching electronic music > performance. As it is quite a mysterious subject that I really > struggle understanding to this day. And for the final product I > would put on a performance myself. Your feedback is far more > appreciated than you can imagine as this is really last minute. > > --Apple-Mail-3--613972161 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
 "Handmade Electronic Music", by Nick Collins. =

More good advice from the = Rigster.

There's a second edition "expanded" = version of the book that came out in 2009 and even includes a DVD. Next = on my list to get as soon as I'm able to...

Also, Collins has some = great electronic music that he has released thru the years.  Seek = them out....

Cheers-
Rev.Fever


You will find dozens of easy projects that are well = explained. You will be able to have several "electronic music" devices = to display.
Rig

From: Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk><= br> To: loopers-delight@looper= s-delight.com
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 1:33 AM
Subject: RE: I really need some = advice for Senior Project

= My advice would be not to do your project on something you're really in = the dark about - Your proposal may not make sense. Better to stick to = something you know something about initially that you can then expand. = The album idea gives you scope to do excellent work that is well = researched.
Good luck

G

Gareth = Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

=
Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 20:47:28 = -0700
Subject: I really need some advice for Senior Project
From: = k3zz21@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com

I have to turn in my highschool senior project = proposal tomorrow if I want to be approved to work on it over summer = which I do. It is a given that I want it to be about electronic music. = But I dont know how to expand on that idea. It has to take at least 15 = hours of working on it. I was thinking about doing reasearch on = different styles of electronic music and composing an album consisting = of 3-4 different styles that I researched. That would definitely take 15 = hours. But I also was considering researching electronic music = performance. As it is quite a mysterious subject that I really struggle = understanding to this day. And for the final product I would put on a = performance myself. Your feedback is far more appreciated than you can = imagine as this is really last minute.
=


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= --Apple-Mail-3--613972161-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 13:59:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACDE518345B; Thu, 31 May 2012 13:59:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vH5vwyqM0uCJxFTAaINpSA2kISBNtN57WWIdYQ31Nsk=; b=tu+oNlI/f2m5zn10znlpwXlwEKnbFO/8t8/MYermx+AHUOCJFPO9v+pxf0CW71wKY6 QuXppNipPOk3jRQvfdL2EGQ9IdjmsQ0HLIynu8Y8kbG2HsFMMNsbsl/pSDsQJxW3F+J+ eddWLOQSykJypG0JIxo8Q0/gZZuzO0+y/TqMxtznyVbN51l3gvmuR9TPPea70CdC/4IG ldugIgPLtDrmxpqgD61FoVGe06a9naOjRR9ec6ifzjZ671I9laKowmt3wMLY2PL0DCiP PaY4S+uRJ1bH+D6woljAJYFNLebNe/eE6Oe2rI7pl0qYKFKS9jFXioDvtz67IbWi9wf8 Y1MQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <31B62BB6-571F-4438-9D3E-D9D0D768C399@baymoon.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 06:59:50 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Looperlative LP2 From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:59:51 +0000 (UTC) I'm very unhappy with mine. Any time I record a loop, the playback begins with a full second of silence. I've already sent the pedal back, but apparently this issue wasn't fixed. At first I thought it was because I was using the wrong power supply, but now I have the same one that Rick uses. I also have the "cutting out and resetting" issue. It's definitely related to the power supply. There's a delicate connection in there somewhere. If the pedal gets nudged at all while I'm pressing a switch, it will briefly lose power. This second issue doesn't happen if I use the 9v battery. I've given up, and ordered an Electro-Harmonix Memory Man with Hazarai to take the place in my chain that was going to be the LP-2. Still waiting for that one to arrive. Matt On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 3:01 AM, Pawel Janowski wrote= : > To quickly follow up on the LP2 experience. > > I had a few sessions with it at home and I am very=A0happy with the workf= low > and the sounds I can get from it. The only issue to date is that I haven'= t > had great luck using my Boss EV-5 expression pedal to control feedback. N= ot > sure if I am doing something wrong (the manual is not very detailed on th= is) > or if I need to try a different pedal. Anyone got the feedback > control=A0working? What pedal did you use? > > On 26 April 2012 00:59, Pawel Janowski wrote: >> >> I am not sure if it's good or not that I am not the only one who had tha= t >> "cutting out and resetting" issue. I am not 100% sure and I haven't done >> this very scientifically, but in my case everything suggests that it was= the >> power supply that solved it. I tried it twice with the following signal >> chains: >> >> 1. Stock Fender strat into the LP2 powered by a standard Vooodo Labe PP2= + >> into a Fender Champ 600 >> 2. Stock Fender strat into the LP2 powered by a generic 9v 200ma power >> supply into a Behringer headphone amp. >> >> In each case I tried=A0multiple=A0mix and input gain settings. In the fi= rst >> case I had the cutoff problem occur every time I hit the strings hard, >> especially higher up the neck (that's single oil pickups, so nothing too >> hot) and the only solution was to turn the guitar volume down. In the se= cond >> case I was unable to reproduce the problem at all. >> >> Maybe LP2 does not like the PP2? >> >> >> On 25 April 2012 17:12, William Walker wrote: >>>> >>>> - It can be a bit fussy with power supplies. I tried it first with a >>>> spare output from my PP2+ pedalboard and it worked fine unless I hit s= trings >>>> too hard, at which point it would make a 'pop' sound and reset. >>> >>> >>> =A0I too encountered =A0this popping and reseting phenomena if I really >>> slammed the strings hard, when demoing Rick's and I was using the high >>> current ports on my voodoo lab PP-2 so I'm not sure the power supply is= the >>> issue. I also had to select the lowest gain setting because I'm running= a >>> pretty hot signal in to it with a wah, a couple of drive pedal and an e= p-1 >>> clean boost that I leave on and it converts the signal to low impedance= . At >>> the highest gain setting it was really pushing the front in of my princ= eton >>> reverb and likely overdriving the chorus pedal and M-9 downstream. I wa= s >>> =A0was able to tame the issue by leaving the mix pot at about half way = which >>> gave good blend, but that ceiling and cutoff issue was troubling to me. >>> =A0Regarding the feedback port. I believe its continuously variable so = if you >>> just back the expression pedal off a bit you will get a more gradual fa= de >>> slope. Also the length of the loop will determine how fast it fades, so >>> shorter loops fade faster. >>> Bill >>> >> > --=20 Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 14:28:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BD7818345C; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:28:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 284665.86580.bm@omp1041.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1338474534; bh=WmVQZb4nZIxIYDQHrmRKCDEbAU91FtQj53+rXxlTU4k=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dwhAwMfsnWn34PdXNEJAPPCTc0wnaZPMlCX8ug8JIlEwR29bvfCqXcb8hbdy7pVG7S5QLUMUoGiStM0yz8pddGtiDnAtiVVoxMhBfnx3ZSEpVsessrnN5XLxoZLV8cBoUv1KWXwL2YmMMC6WvwmadgVF2VeOj4pOIMmmKPHLY7s= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qIBZUSgOBUlnDphqE/y+nweDIQRJaYbU0BZHjvaNVj+nei8ToVQu9n54tdhT4h9f6O1hMf853MDaC2QuU5BLxiOKwjaS6Rp0f8UgzqyUjFWtAupunjDJ4oiYiZE212p+Qk8Vzmx+N4B/nreuy3JtO//Jd/EFRudF3EuYbLbuU/A=; X-YMail-OSG: 3NCr7a0VM1kbo_oIMWlsbfHWGhrYbFwDo5A7tWIQq0cQ348 sUxctGWA0YoFJpVdDXEF8MlgZ8wn2MxEiOGx0sniSKnEtp.xIb1Elas4Uu9Q DcpXUEp79ohiWQHyLx49PJdJsPgBJ08QqsYHEp_1Hv_MwUju2m5wvB9MsRiS tBXMs5T4TRGZ9E4_hpgANtbyYyLt_w.HG97ZX2F9pEpPt1wDoG3lez8r1WSp G_cbbbtOumJsbOyMobIU4oM4Q2Z5PsiXXvpHrYs2cmrU4ATmELCDZyIEWezE LDz71jm9agYsnpL4DczBYHJchFrYquRfKtsHEsUZCuwq2D5NV06Y8daVj5kg 6GXOob7Z6nOCpJJLyfCk1dmegBnnpe6HkYCaZ1BXJp9q3PXrhVbHThCqPTng nBZRXOM38Kv5pYM0j1yNDWd5HJ81pUvu5w9shiErmV0Lel3H7GRyFl5WNwCQ ahl5PN8RvZcNh.SkEIlxnEjFQJg8hWCh0kDXClRHT5deBbBbqInmipG2uMPF McPr2xMg1CTGZjJ9CM_ny7.Gy7F1R9CfqdcZVMNY96WAdq0_Ifw35F9ur7gG LBmtKr1iG3zwYZc8DtnxWfzFj7f_a9J6R2LMW2r4Ctd9rb6Mj6MzaziKjAX7 RGM96SrDjZ6o66NOtFwEcjR1UKtLM4sOX7Fcpy1MnNc6YOsbu93ZbxeZ_HnO u.R24sNilARKmQRTIKJvXj_KzfELOkaDJGqIBW4ifxIN5WRD4w7EJVbdxDjx GOo6GEElpcW0OPg0- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 References: <1338469040.9461.YahooMailNeo@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <503E23F3-77CE-43BA-A315-84D2AE004CA7@ubergadget.com> Message-ID: <1338474534.1958.YahooMailNeo@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 07:28:54 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: I really need some advice for Senior Project (Nicolas Collins) To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <503E23F3-77CE-43BA-A315-84D2AE004CA7@ubergadget.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-709188601-2095898373-1338474534=:1958" Resent-Message-ID: <9pDWqC.A.y4H.oA4xPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 14:28:56 +0000 (UTC) ---709188601-2095898373-1338474534=:1958 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Speaking of Rigster, I made my first uploads to reverb nation as "Rigster".= 3 pieces. Or have I already mentioned that. In any event, it's mostly repe= titious drivel. Some may like it, most may not.=0ARig=0A=0A=0A_____________= ___________________=0AFrom: Revfever =0ATo: Looper= s-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:21 AM=0ASub= ject: Re: I really need some advice for Senior Project (Nicolas Collins)=0A= =0A=0A=A0"Handmade Electronic Music", by Nick Collins. =0AMore good advice = from the Rigster.=0A=0AThere's a second edition "expanded" version of the b= ook that came out in 2009 and even includes a DVD. Next on my list to get a= s soon as I'm able to...=0Ahttp://www.nicolascollins.com/handmade.htm=0A=0A= Also, Collins has some great electronic music that he has released thru the= years. =A0Seek them out....=0Ahttp://www.nicolascollins.com/recordscds.htm= =0A=0ACheers-=0ARev.Fever=0APortlandia=0Ahttp://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever= =0Ahttp://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1=0Ahttp://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental= 2=0Ahttp://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult=0A=0A=0AYou will find dozens of easy pro= jects that are well explained. You will be able to have several "electronic= music" devices to display.=0A>Rig=0A>=0A=0A=0A>___________________________= _____=0A>From: Gareth Whittock =0A>To: loopers-de= light@loopers-delight.com =0A>Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 1:33 AM=0A>Subje= ct: RE: I really need some advice for Senior Project=0A>=0A>=0A>My advice w= ould be not to do your project on something you're really in the dark about= - Your proposal may not make sense. Better to stick to something you know = something about initially that you can then expand. The album idea gives yo= u scope to do excellent work that is well researched. =0A>Good luck=0A>=0A>= =0A>G=0A>=0A>Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk=0A>=0A>=0A= >=0A>________________________________=0A>Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 20:47:28 -0= 700=0A>Subject: I really need some advice for Senior Project=0A>From: k3zz2= 1@gmail.com=0A>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A>=0A>I have to tur= n in my highschool senior project proposal tomorrow if I want to be approve= d to work on it over summer which I do. It is a given that I want it to be = about electronic music. But I dont know how to expand on that idea. It has = to take at least 15 hours of working on it. I was thinking about doing reas= earch on different styles of electronic music and composing an album consis= ting of 3-4 different styles that I researched. That would definitely take = 15 hours. But I also was considering researching electronic music performan= ce. As it is quite a mysterious subject that I really struggle understandin= g to this day. And for the final product I would put on a performance mysel= f. Your feedback is far more appreciated than you can imagine as this is re= ally last minute.=0A>=0A>=0A> ---709188601-2095898373-1338474534=:1958 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Speaking of Rigster, I made my first uplo= ads to reverb nation as "Rigster". 3 pieces. = Or have I already mentioned that. In any event, it's mostly repetitious dri= vel. Some may like it, most may not.
Rig

From:= Revfever <revfever@ubergadget.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 = 6:21 AM
Subject: Re: I r= eally need some advice for Senior Project (Nicolas Collins)

 "Handmade Electronic Music", by Nick Collin= s.

More good advice from the Rigster.

There's a second edition "expanded" version of the book that came out = in 2009 and even includes a DVD. Next on my list to get as soon as I'm able= to...
http://www.nicolascollins.com/handmade.htm

Also, Collins has some great electronic music that he has released thr= u the years.  Seek them out....
http://www.nicolascollins.com/recordscds.htm

Cheers-
Rev.Fever
Portlandia
http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult


You will find dozens of easy projects that are we= ll explained. You will be able to have several "electronic music" devices t= o display.
Rig

From:= Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk>
T= o: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 1:33 AM
Subject: RE: I really need some advice f= or Senior Project

My advice would be not to do your project on something you'r= e really in the dark about - Your proposal may not make sense. Better to st= ick to something you know something about initially that you can then expan= d. The album idea gives you scope to do excellent work that is well researc= hed.
Good luck

G

Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 20:47:28 -0700
S= ubject: I really need some advice for Senior Project
From: k3zz21@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
I have to turn in my highschool senior project proposal tomorrow if I= want to be approved to work on it over summer which I do. It is a given th= at I want it to be about electronic music. But I dont know how to expand on= that idea. It has to take at least 15 hours of working on it. I was thinking about doing rea= search on different styles of electronic music and composing an album consi= sting of 3-4 different styles that I researched. That would definitely take= 15 hours. But I also was considering researching electronic music performa= nce. As it is quite a mysterious subject that I really struggle understandi= ng to this day. And for the final product I would put on a performance myse= lf. Your feedback is far more appreciated than you can imagine as this is r= eally last minute.





---709188601-2095898373-1338474534=:1958-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 16:58:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B773318345C; Thu, 31 May 2012 16:58:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FC7A328.3020005@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 09:58:16 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: willgough@gmail.com CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Looperlative LP2 References: <1867609654-1338458938-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1830461958-@b3.c25.bise6.blackberry> In-Reply-To: <1867609654-1338458938-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1830461958-@b3.c25.bise6.blackberry> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 16:58:24 +0000 (UTC) This is good to know (about the Boss FV-50H and the LP-2 Mini Loopers' need for a 250k Ohm expression pedal) Would you be into publishing this at the Looperlative forum? Thanks, Rick Walker On 5/31/12 3:08 AM, willgough@gmail.com wrote: > Wonder what impedance the LP2 is expecting? I tried an EV-5 on a first > generation Ground Control foot controller and it gave me very limited > range because it expected a 250k Ohm pedal and the EV-5 was something > like 50k Ohm...I then went to a Boss FV-50H pedal and all was right > with the world. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 16:59:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA41B18345D; Thu, 31 May 2012 16:59:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FC7A388.5040400@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 09:59:52 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: willgough@gmail.com CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Looperlative LP2 References: <1867609654-1338458938-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1830461958-@b3.c25.bise6.blackberry> In-Reply-To: <1867609654-1338458938-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1830461958-@b3.c25.bise6.blackberry> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 16:59:58 +0000 (UTC) Oooops, I misread this. I thought you had found the solution. I'll call Bob and ask him for the proper impedance for the LP-2. yours, Rick On 5/31/12 3:08 AM, willgough@gmail.com wrote: > Wonder what impedance the LP2 is expecting? I tried an EV-5 on a first > generation Ground Control foot controller and it gave me very limited > range because it expected a 250k Ohm pedal and the EV-5 was something > like 50k Ohm...I then went to a Boss FV-50H pedal and all was right > with the world. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 31 17:30:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84F5418345C; Thu, 31 May 2012 17:30:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4FC7AA93.7090902@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:29:55 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3OcB2B.A.fSC.bq6xPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 17:30:04 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long Special Focus on Broekhuis, Keller, and Schonwalder. 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