On Mar 2, 2012, = at 10:54 AM, Paul Richards wrote:

(do you anticipate that innovation = comes with out high risk)

Yeah, just ask = the Chinese workers that recently were blown up in the FoxConn factory, = cleaning iPads.

From: Daniel Thomas <danielthomas4@mac.com>
= To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
Cc: 'Robert Amstadt' <bob@looperlative.com> =
Sent: Friday, March = 2, 2012 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: So Long Everybody

I = have only one response to "bad tastes" and "itching for a = fight"

I had the good fortune to know and work with some amazing = leaders in Silicon Valley-- among them Steve Jobs during his last years at Apple. He once said to = me and others-- "do you anticipate that innovation comes with out = high risk?"

And now, to order my LP-2 .

Cheers
Daniel =

On Mar 1, 2012, at 9:57 PM, Clayton Gary Lehmann = wrote:

> Hi Bob--
> Nice to finally hear from = you.
> Yes, a refund is fine. I am willing to call it = quits.
> Everybody go back to looping now, this leaves a really = bad taste in my
> mouth.
>
> Gary
>
> =
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Amstadt = [mailto:bob@looperlative.com] =
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 9:27 PM
> To: Clayton Gary = Lehmann
> Cc: Loopers-Delight@loo= pers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: LP-2 Update (for Gary Lehman, especially)
>
> = Gary,
>
> I haven't read my email this week and I'm just = reading it now. Rick
> indicates that you want a = refund and I will process it right now. If
> this is = in error, then let me know.
>
> Bob
>
> On Mar = 1, 2012, at 1:05 PM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote:
>
>> Hi = Rick and list--
>> Believe it or not, this is me being = patient.
>> My preference is to get the unit, but I can't wait = any longer. Bob
>> has had 8
>> months to = contact me, and I sent the two emails to the address you =
>> provided
>> me.
>> I'm ccing him = again.
>> If I don't hear from him by tomorrow, I will take = action.
>> I'm not being a jerk, and anyone who thinks I am is = itching for a
>> fight.
>> Gary
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rick Walker = [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com]
>>= ; Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 12:41 PM
>> To: Clayton Gary = Lehmann
>> Cc: Loopers-Delight@loo= pers-delight.com; bob@looperlative.com
>&g= t; Subject: Re: RE: LP-2 Update (for Gary Lehman, = especially)
>>
>> On 3/1/12 10:25 AM, Clayton Gary = Lehmann wrote:
>>> Hello list members,
>>> I = sent Bob emails from both of my addresses, nothing.
>>> I = checked with my bank, they paid him
>>> Subtotal: = 300.00
>>> Tax: 27.75
>>> Shipping: = 17.00
>>> Total: 344.75
>>> As requested. So I paid tax and shipping on an = item I have not only
>>> not
>>> = received, but also about which I have not been communicated = with.
>>> Sorry, that's not very grammatical, I will try = again.
>>> He's got my money and I have received not so much = as a how do you do.
>>> I am mad.
>>> Sorry = again.
>>> As you can see, I have CCed him.
>>> = My next step is to get my bank to file a claim and get my stinkin' =
>>> money
>>> back.
>>> This is no = way to do business.
>>> Gary
>>>
>> = Relax, Gary, I've never read that you wanted a refund. This = is the
>> first time.
>>
>> I actually = counseled you to ask for a refund quite a while back
>> = because
>> I saw that you were very impatient
>> (you've written this list several times about it) = but you indicated
>> you
>> were still = waiting.
>>
>> I'm very sorry you are pissed = about this so I will call Bob today to
>> send you a = refund.
>>
>> You can write me from now on if you = want any updates on that, but rest
>> assured, I'll do it = today.
>>
>> btw, what email are you using for = Bob, just to make sure that's not
>> been the = disconnect.
>>
>> yours, Rick
>> =
>>
> =

= --Boundary_(ID_I96q4XLq5YSG3gEn9A5Iaw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 19:23:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96D28183462; Fri, 2 Mar 2012 19:23:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 592127.22568.bm@omp1050.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1330716185; bh=OQEr6l3X1dwUzH1jxxDfCz1UJaLm6UfD/0vSrXc6rgE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tQGfoJaDnfejbBTYXbB8oLET7Ymc7xYZOw+URJ82gZIeaTG8ZFHBr/AbXWQntoqkWb0dQHkX67mZ584qRmYTfKvmc7a2mAfG7HhN8GF+JkKZ/u1T4wwGW7CZfSkUJn1MyDQsnF6rWoeKBnZjTMRTj3RsjlEw72Zm908bdG6eweU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cnhNNZdbNc5hf0Om23WJOYWqCzMv0o+hO4u4dnaKiyd0AkXIU1j8vhFzlqstiuxUrLk7UQm+l3EwAWm/YfliZ8oTbN/R9MMErdkSKoUCPetVuNtzEZYn4CKfWX6vt5GsLHby2dbYFBOxSUr2rPqIb1+to+95NydgAlFaRWBkbfA=; X-YMail-OSG: rF1uBhsVM1kA0AAOG6k4IUuORDntcuBIFAs2fx1FUhmhMK. 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I finished Job's biography recently and saw my former hero worship = of him greatly diminish.=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom= : Daniel Thomas =0ATo: Paul Richards =0ACc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" =0ASent: Friday, March 2, 2012 2:15 PM=0ASubject: Re= : So Long Everybody=0A=0A=0AChinese workers that recently were blown up in = the FoxConn factory, cleaning iPads.=0A=0AFor the record, not a price I con= done for innovation. =A0And in fact, I would say that this has little to do= with innovation and more to do with GREED. =A0"Silly human race-- your's i= s no disgrace."=0A=0Ad=0A=0AOn Mar 2, 2012, at 10:54 AM, Paul Richards wrot= e:=0A=0A(do you anticipate that innovation comes with out high risk)=0A>=A0= =0A>Yeah, just ask the Chinese workers that recently were blown up in the F= oxConn factory, cleaning iPads.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>____________________________= ____=0A>From: Daniel Thomas =0A>To: Loopers-Delight@= loopers-delight.com =0A>Cc: 'Robert Amstadt' =0A>Sen= t: Friday, March 2, 2012 1:17 PM=0A>Subject: Re: So Long Everybody=0A>=0A>I= have only one response to "bad tastes" and=A0 "itching for a fight"=0A>=0A= >I had the good fortune to know and work with some amazing leaders in Silic= on Valley-- among them Steve Jobs during his last years at Apple.=A0 He onc= e said to me and others--=A0 "do you anticipate that innovation comes with = out high risk?"=0A>=0A>And now, to order my LP-2 .=0A>=0A>Cheers=0A>Daniel = =0A>=0A>=0A>On Mar 1, 2012, at 9:57 PM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote:=0A>=0A>= > Hi Bob--=0A>> Nice to finally hear from you.=0A>> Yes, a refund is fine. = I am willing to call it quits.=0A>> Everybody go back to looping now, this = leaves a really bad taste in my=0A>> mouth.=0A>> =0A>> Gary=0A>> =0A>> =0A>= > -----Original Message-----=0A>> From: Robert Amstadt [mailto:bob@looperla= tive.com] =0A>> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 9:27 PM=0A>> To: Clayton Gar= y Lehmann=0A>> Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A>> Subject: Re: LP= -2 Update (for Gary Lehman, especially)=0A>> =0A>> Gary,=0A>> =0A>> I haven= 't read my email this week and I'm just reading it now.=A0 Rick=A0 =0A>> in= dicates that you want a refund and I will process it right now.=A0 If=A0 = =0A>> this is in error, then let me know.=0A>> =0A>> Bob=0A>> =0A>> On Mar = 1, 2012, at 1:05 PM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote:=0A>> =0A>>> Hi Rick and li= st--=0A>>> Believe it or not, this is me being patient.=0A>>> My preference= is to get the unit, but I can't wait any longer. Bob=A0 =0A>>> has had 8= =0A>>> months to contact me, and I sent the two emails to the address you= =A0 =0A>>> provided=0A>>> me.=0A>>> I'm ccing him again.=0A>>> If I don't h= ear from him by tomorrow, I will take action.=0A>>> I'm not being a jerk, a= nd anyone who thinks I am is itching for a=A0 =0A>>> fight.=0A>>> Gary=0A>>= > =0A>>> -----Original Message-----=0A>>> From: Rick Walker [mailto:looppoo= l@cruzio.com]=0A>>> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 12:41 PM=0A>>> To: Clayt= on Gary Lehmann=0A>>> Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com; bob@looperla= tive.com=0A>>> Subject: Re: RE: LP-2 Update (for Gary Lehman, especially)= =0A>>> =0A>>> On 3/1/12 10:25 AM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote:=0A>>>> Hello = list members,=0A>>>> I sent Bob emails from both of my addresses, nothing.= =0A>>>> I checked with my bank, they paid him=0A>>>> Subtotal: 300.00=0A>>>= > Tax: 27.75=0A>>>> Shipping: 17.00=0A>>>> Total: 344.75=0A>>>> As requeste= d. So I paid tax and shipping on an item I have not only=A0 =0A>>>> not=0A>= >>> received, but also about which I have not been communicated with.=0A>>>= > Sorry, that's not very grammatical, I will try again.=0A>>>> He's got my = money and I have received not so much as a how do you do.=0A>>>> I am mad.= =0A>>>> Sorry again.=0A>>>> As you can see, I have CCed him.=0A>>>> My next= step is to get my bank to file a claim and get my stinkin'=A0 =0A>>>> mone= y=0A>>>> back.=0A>>>> This is no way to do business.=0A>>>> Gary=0A>>>> =0A= >>> Relax, Gary,=A0 I've never read that you wanted a refund.=A0 This is th= e=0A>>> first time.=0A>>> =0A>>> I actually counseled you to ask for a refu= nd quite a while back=A0 =0A>>> because=0A>>> I saw that you were very impa= tient=0A>>> (you've written this list several times about it) but you indic= ated=A0 =0A>>> you=0A>>> were still waiting.=0A>>> =0A>>> I'm very sorry yo= u are=A0 pissed about this so I will call Bob today to=0A>>> send you a ref= und.=0A>>> =0A>>> You can write me from now on if you want any updates on t= hat, but rest=0A>>> assured,=A0 I'll do it today.=0A>>> =0A>>> btw,=A0 what= email are you using for Bob,=A0 just to make sure that's not=0A>>> been th= e disconnect.=0A>>> =0A>>> yours,=A0 Rick=0A>>> =0A>>> =0A>> =0A>=0A>=0A>= =0A> ---2114655128-839092584-1330716184=:45363 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

'Sorry. I finished Job's biography recent= ly and saw my former hero worship of him greatly diminish.

From:= Daniel Thomas <danielthomas4@mac.com>
To: Paul Richards <paulrichard_rocks@y= ahoo.com>
Cc: "Loope= rs-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>=
Sent: Friday, March 2,= 2012 2:15 PM
Subject: R= e: So Long Everybody

Chinese workers that recently were blown up in the FoxConn facto= ry, cleaning iPads.

For the record, not a price I condone for innovation. And in fac= t, I would say that this has little to do with innovation and more to do wi= th GREED. "Silly human race-- your's is no disgrace."

On Mar 2, 2012, at 10:54 AM, Paul Richards wrote:

(do you anticipate that innovation comes with out high risk)

Yeah, just ask the Chinese workers that recently were blown up i= n the FoxConn factory, cleaning iPads.=

From: Daniel Thomas <<= A href=3D"mailto:danielthomas4@mac.com" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank ymai= lto=3D"mailto:danielthomas4@mac.com">danielthomas4@mac.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Cc: 'Robert Amstadt'= <bob@looperlative.com>
<= B>Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: So Long Everybody

I have only one response to "bad tastes" and "itching for a fig= ht"

I had the good fortune to know and work with some amazing leader= s in Silicon Valley-- among them Steve Jobs during his last years at Apple.= He once said to me and others-- "do you anticipate that innova= tion comes with out high risk?"

And now, to order my LP-2 .

C= heers
Daniel

On Mar 1, 2012, at 9:57 PM, Clayton Gary Lehman= n wrote:

> Hi Bob--
> Nice to finally hear from you.
>= ; Yes, a refund is fine. I am willing to call it quits.
> Everybody g= o back to looping now, this leaves a really bad taste in my
> mouth.<= BR>>
> Gary
>
>
> -----Original Message-----<= BR>> From: Robert Amstadt [mailto:bob@looperlative.com]
> Sent: = Thursday, March 01, 2012 9:27 PM
> To: Clayton Gary Lehmann
> C= c: Looper= s-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: LP-2 Update (for Gar= y Lehman, especially)
>
> Gary,
>
> I haven't rea= d my email this week and I'm just reading it now. Rick
>= indicates that you want a refund and I will process it right now. If=
> this is in error, then let me know.
>
> Bob>
> On Mar 1, 2012, at 1:05 PM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote:
&= gt;
>> Hi Rick and list--
>> Believe it or not, this is = me being patient.
>> My preference is to get the unit, but I can't= wait any longer. Bob
>> has had 8
>> months to contact me,= and I sent the two emails to the address you
>> provided>> me.
>> I'm ccing him again.
>> If I don't hear= from him by tomorrow, I will take action.
>> I'm not being a jerk= , and anyone who thinks I am is itching for a
>> fight.
= >> Gary
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>&g= t; From: Rick Walker [mailto:looppool@cru= zio.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 12:41 PM
>>= ; To: Clayton Gary Lehmann
>> Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com; = bob@looperlative.com
>&g= t; Subject: Re: RE: LP-2 Update (for Gary Lehman, especially)
>> <= BR>>> On 3/1/12 10:25 AM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote:
>>>= Hello list members,
>>> I sent Bob emails from both of my addr= esses, nothing.
>>> I checked with my bank, they paid him
&g= t;>> Subtotal: 300.00
>>> Tax: 27.75
>>> Ship= ping: 17.00
>>> Total: 344.75
>>> As requested. So = I paid tax and shipping on an item I have not only
>>> n= ot
>>> received, but also about which I have not been communica= ted with.
>>> Sorry, that's not very grammatical, I will try ag= ain.
>>> He's got my money and I have received not so much as a= how do you do.
>>> I am mad.
>>> Sorry again.
&= gt;>> As you can see, I have CCed him.
>>> My next step is to get my bank to file a claim and get my stinkin'
>&= gt;> money
>>> back.
>>> This is no way to do bu= siness.
>>> Gary
>>>
>> Relax, Gary, = ; I've never read that you wanted a refund. This is the
>> f= irst time.
>>
>> I actually counseled you to ask for a r= efund quite a while back
>> because
>> I saw that = you were very impatient
>> (you've written this list several times= about it) but you indicated
>> you
>> were still = waiting.
>>
>> I'm very sorry you are pissed about= this so I will call Bob today to
>> send you a refund.
>>= ;
>> You can write me from now on if you want any updates on that= , but rest
>> assured, I'll do it today.
>>
>= ;> btw, what email are you using for Bob, just to make sure that's not
>> been the disconnect.
>>
>= > yours, Rick
>>
>>
>

---2114655128-839092584-1330716184=:45363-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 19:25:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA24A183462; Fri, 2 Mar 2012 19:25:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_BA379mgikCVyCw8T+jTIkw)" X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7498,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-03-02_06:2012-03-02,2012-03-02,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1203020158 Subject: Re: So Long Everybody From: Daniel Thomas In-reply-to: <1330716184.45363.YahooMailNeo@web36706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:25:32 -0800 Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-id: <40E92FAD-C6F9-4297-AA60-D5FACB754FEE@mac.com> References: <4F4FDED0.1080409@cruzio.com> <92F75C0A72D14A8086FE3C8FC276C6FA@your0548c161e1> <3BEF1DBE-8088-4667-ADF6-DCEC771956E7@looperlative.com> <69F5B9074AA148B6AB691C91D938659C@your0548c161e1> <8AFCE466-B63D-404B-80BE-F5336CBBFC9B@mac.com> <1330714464.64371.YahooMailNeo@web36704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1330716184.45363.YahooMailNeo@web36706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Paul Richards X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 19:25:40 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_BA379mgikCVyCw8T+jTIkw) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I knew him. Hero might be too much title for any mortal. But, a good man he was. Don't let the publishers needs to sell a billion books diminish this. He once said-- Apple and All of Silicon Valley should become a gift to humanity. He worked relentlessly toward this objective. I am not lionizing him guys. He blew my eyebrows off more than once with his demanding demeanor. But I would take another blast from that fire thrower just sit with him once more. d On Mar 2, 2012, at 11:23 AM, Paul Richards wrote: > 'Sorry. I finished Job's biography recently and saw my former hero worship of him greatly diminish. > > From: Daniel Thomas > To: Paul Richards > Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 2:15 PM > Subject: Re: So Long Everybody > >> Chinese workers that recently were blown up in the FoxConn factory, cleaning iPads. > > For the record, not a price I condone for innovation. And in fact, I would say that this has little to do with innovation and more to do with GREED. "Silly human race-- your's is no disgrace." > > d > On Mar 2, 2012, at 10:54 AM, Paul Richards wrote: > >> (do you anticipate that innovation comes with out high risk) >> >> Yeah, just ask the Chinese workers that recently were blown up in the FoxConn factory, cleaning iPads. >> >> From: Daniel Thomas >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Cc: 'Robert Amstadt' >> Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 1:17 PM >> Subject: Re: So Long Everybody >> >> I have only one response to "bad tastes" and "itching for a fight" >> >> I had the good fortune to know and work with some amazing leaders in Silicon Valley-- among them Steve Jobs during his last years at Apple. He once said to me and others-- "do you anticipate that innovation comes with out high risk?" >> >> And now, to order my LP-2 . >> >> Cheers >> Daniel >> >> >> On Mar 1, 2012, at 9:57 PM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: >> >> > Hi Bob-- >> > Nice to finally hear from you. >> > Yes, a refund is fine. I am willing to call it quits. >> > Everybody go back to looping now, this leaves a really bad taste in my >> > mouth. >> > >> > Gary >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Robert Amstadt [mailto:bob@looperlative.com] >> > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 9:27 PM >> > To: Clayton Gary Lehmann >> > Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> > Subject: Re: LP-2 Update (for Gary Lehman, especially) >> > >> > Gary, >> > >> > I haven't read my email this week and I'm just reading it now. Rick >> > indicates that you want a refund and I will process it right now. If >> > this is in error, then let me know. >> > >> > Bob >> > >> > On Mar 1, 2012, at 1:05 PM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: >> > >> >> Hi Rick and list-- >> >> Believe it or not, this is me being patient. >> >> My preference is to get the unit, but I can't wait any longer. Bob >> >> has had 8 >> >> months to contact me, and I sent the two emails to the address you >> >> provided >> >> me. >> >> I'm ccing him again. >> >> If I don't hear from him by tomorrow, I will take action. >> >> I'm not being a jerk, and anyone who thinks I am is itching for a >> >> fight. >> >> Gary >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Rick Walker [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] >> >> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 12:41 PM >> >> To: Clayton Gary Lehmann >> >> Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com; bob@looperlative.com >> >> Subject: Re: RE: LP-2 Update (for Gary Lehman, especially) >> >> >> >> On 3/1/12 10:25 AM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: >> >>> Hello list members, >> >>> I sent Bob emails from both of my addresses, nothing. >> >>> I checked with my bank, they paid him >> >>> Subtotal: 300.00 >> >>> Tax: 27.75 >> >>> Shipping: 17.00 >> >>> Total: 344.75 >> >>> As requested. So I paid tax and shipping on an item I have not only >> >>> not >> >>> received, but also about which I have not been communicated with. >> >>> Sorry, that's not very grammatical, I will try again. >> >>> He's got my money and I have received not so much as a how do you do. >> >>> I am mad. >> >>> Sorry again. >> >>> As you can see, I have CCed him. >> >>> My next step is to get my bank to file a claim and get my stinkin' >> >>> money >> >>> back. >> >>> This is no way to do business. >> >>> Gary >> >>> >> >> Relax, Gary, I've never read that you wanted a refund. This is the >> >> first time. >> >> >> >> I actually counseled you to ask for a refund quite a while back >> >> because >> >> I saw that you were very impatient >> >> (you've written this list several times about it) but you indicated >> >> you >> >> were still waiting. >> >> >> >> I'm very sorry you are pissed about this so I will call Bob today to >> >> send you a refund. >> >> >> >> You can write me from now on if you want any updates on that, but rest >> >> assured, I'll do it today. >> >> >> >> btw, what email are you using for Bob, just to make sure that's not >> >> been the disconnect. >> >> >> >> yours, Rick >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > > --Boundary_(ID_BA379mgikCVyCw8T+jTIkw) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I = knew him. Hero might be too much title for any mortal. But, = a good man he was. Don't let the publishers needs to sell a = billion books diminish this.

He once said-- = Apple and All of Silicon Valley should become a gift to humanity. = He worked relentlessly toward this objective. =

I am not lionizing him guys. He blew my = eyebrows off more than once with his demanding demeanor. But I would = take another blast from that fire thrower just sit with him once = more.

On Mar 2, 2012, at = 11:23 AM, Paul Richards wrote:

'Sorry. I finished Job's biography recently and = saw my former hero worship of him greatly diminish.

From: Daniel Thomas <danielthomas4@mac.com>
= To: Paul Richards <paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com>
Cc: "Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com>
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: So Long = Everybody

Chinese workers that recently were blown up in the FoxConn = factory, cleaning iPads.

For the record, not a price I condone for innovation. And in = fact, I would say that this has little to do with innovation and more to = do with GREED. "Silly human race-- your's is no disgrace."

d

On Mar 2, 2012, at 10:54 AM, Paul Richards wrote:

(do you anticipate that innovation comes with out high = risk)

Yeah, just ask the Chinese workers that recently were blown = up in the FoxConn factory, cleaning iPads.

From: Daniel Thomas <danielthomas4@mac.com>
= To: Loopers-Delight@loo= pers-delight.com
Cc: 'Robert Amstadt' <bob@looperlative.com> =
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: So Long = Everybody

I have only one response to "bad tastes" = and "itching for a fight"

I had the good fortune to know = and work with some amazing leaders in Silicon Valley-- among them Steve = Jobs during his last years at Apple. He once said to me and = others-- "do you anticipate that innovation comes with out high = risk?"

And now, to order my LP-2 .

Cheers
Daniel =

On Mar 1, 2012, at 9:57 PM, Clayton Gary Lehmann = wrote:

> Hi Bob--
> Nice to finally hear from = you.
> Yes, a refund is fine. I am willing to call it = quits.
> Everybody go back to looping now, this leaves a really = bad taste in my
> mouth.
>
> Gary
>
> =
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Amstadt = [mailto:bob@looperlative.com] =
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 9:27 PM
> To: Clayton Gary = Lehmann
> Cc: Loopers-Delight@loo= pers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: LP-2 Update (for Gary Lehman, = especially)
>
> Gary,
>
> I haven't read my = email this week and I'm just reading it now. Rick
> = indicates that you want a refund and I will process it right now. = If
> this is in error, then let me know.
>
> = Bob
>
> On Mar 1, 2012, at 1:05 PM, Clayton Gary Lehmann = wrote:
>
>> Hi Rick and list--
>> Believe it or = not, this is me being patient.
>> My preference is to get the = unit, but I can't wait any longer. Bob
>> has had 8
>> months to contact = me, and I sent the two emails to the address you
>> = provided
>> me.
>> I'm ccing him again.
>> If = I don't hear from him by tomorrow, I will take action.
>> I'm = not being a jerk, and anyone who thinks I am is itching for a =
>> fight.
>> Gary
>>
>> = -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rick Walker [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com]
>>= ; Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 12:41 PM
>> To: Clayton Gary = Lehmann
>> Cc: Loopers-Delight@loo= pers-delight.com; bob@looperlative.com
>&g= t; Subject: Re: RE: LP-2 Update (for Gary Lehman, = especially)
>>
>> On 3/1/12 10:25 AM, Clayton Gary = Lehmann wrote:
>>> Hello list members,
>>> I = sent Bob emails from both of my addresses, nothing.
>>> I = checked with my bank, they paid him
>>> Subtotal: = 300.00
>>> Tax: 27.75
>>> Shipping: = 17.00
>>> Total: 344.75
>>> As requested. So I = paid tax and shipping on an item I have not only
>>> = not
>>> received, but also about which I have not been = communicated with.
>>> Sorry, that's not very grammatical, I = will try again.
>>> He's got my money and I have received = not so much as a how do you do.
>>> I am = mad.
>>> Sorry again.
>>> As you can see, I have = CCed him.
>>> My next step is to get my bank to file a claim and get my stinkin' =
>>> money
>>> back.
>>> This is no = way to do business.
>>> Gary
>>>
>> = Relax, Gary, I've never read that you wanted a refund. This = is the
>> first time.
>>
>> I actually = counseled you to ask for a refund quite a while back
>> = because
>> I saw that you were very impatient
>> = (you've written this list several times about it) but you = indicated
>> you
>> were still = waiting.
>>
>> I'm very sorry you are pissed = about this so I will call Bob today to
>> send you a = refund.
>>
>> You can write me from now on if you = want any updates on that, but rest
>> assured, I'll do it = today.
>>
>> btw, what email are you using for = Bob, just to make sure that's not
>> been the disconnect.
>> =
>> yours, Rick
>>
>>
> =

= = --Boundary_(ID_BA379mgikCVyCw8T+jTIkw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 19:29:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A057218345E; Fri, 2 Mar 2012 19:29:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rickygrahammusic@gmail.com designates 10.204.152.7 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.204.152.7; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rickygrahammusic@gmail.com designates 10.204.152.7 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rickygrahammusic@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=rickygrahammusic@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=4lG33RLd6SqsnQ/mTyWslCTvCF+LBoYM62N1DH8Wq2k=; b=Uii3jgSocn3GmSowr7PtappjJpqKr+SExO2sZgr1k1v7viql95Jo0qir/gyWmOaEvT BZOzZB8SmyrXYKZ6TFuLMzlQ0ycvH48CBrD14/u9WrtXxO3h0sTv4vnKBVIkKNZ2qMRK n72KQgTdQC1/tDTl4YzkTUHJ3N9WV3EX4aOikt4BW4kDHGfp9B9FXPT/N48myLAKGoFS 2vEHifgFEODS1B4DdgDUur+5ZNri5fwC682zHDZYn0ZiIJKl6x0b3zZc62OlMyMhlBRJ RpJcgOnfZwBcdP8zLF1DOYPMwPaedP+Z5lP5A2E6oKaaIS6Swgjil8x9uUEAqFfIeB5h C3+A== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F511AE2.3020701@tiscali.co.uk> References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <36EFCE7D-2601-4369-90C6-3ADB078B57AC@gmail.com> <4F4E6FA3.6060209@tiscali.co.uk> <4F4FDCCC.4000007@tiscali.co.uk> <4F510DF1.8010104@tiscali.co.uk> <4F511AE2.3020701@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 19:29:19 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 19:29:20 +0000 (UTC) yes, sounds like that might work! On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 7:09 PM, andy butler wrote: > Thanks Ricky, good info, > > Right, > so the thing to try is Note-On with velocity 0 > > andy > > > Ricky Graham wrote: >> >> AFAI remember the issue was with note-off only. Talked to Matthias >> about this some months ago. >> >> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 6:14 PM, andy butler >> wrote: >>> >>> So it doesn't pass any Note-On at all? >>> >>> >>> Ricky Graham wrote: >>>> >>>> The note off issue in relation to echoloop control, right? MIDI note >>>> on and off messages work fine with MIDI software instruments but MIDI >>>> note off messages don't seem to work as a method of performance >>>> control. >>> >>> >>>> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 20:00:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACB57183462; Fri, 2 Mar 2012 20:00:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com designates 10.52.22.166 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.52.22.166; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com designates 10.52.22.166 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=GK+hYu510r/D55Y/0R5SUqwz9u4y3zyes2xM9uaNorA=; b=06GKxURmsRWZFmRawgnPbouqyDmRLxj8XzqfbrIJ1Gtrja4cQak5JQv9eC+U/vnJ7z Z2gt0E76UuHqO57jGTAzWSn6h7j/Zx8fwNwudEwll14dGmWvyUqXek/QnMwfsXxmDumk bPrb0onSH8ag8OCSDDVGVCu+zeN6D9Wzgg7mpgrjtVM2IhsPLsxQiJgLa4bvpPNFbw8a HwJXADsOoZ4lCe9Qjw6VkcdlCMNLWy8cX5WELnsq+ZDzmnzR+rPibEPpF9Yuh5o7vY+V k8BTjx6vBXfXvpQHhXuhGdbbQRCSTKxEXP1z8pzl2zty8hZXFUOo2DbP8Hm/ANqBRORU 1Egw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <40E92FAD-C6F9-4297-AA60-D5FACB754FEE@mac.com> References: <4F4FDED0.1080409@cruzio.com> <92F75C0A72D14A8086FE3C8FC276C6FA@your0548c161e1> <3BEF1DBE-8088-4667-ADF6-DCEC771956E7@looperlative.com> <69F5B9074AA148B6AB691C91D938659C@your0548c161e1> <8AFCE466-B63D-404B-80BE-F5336CBBFC9B@mac.com> <1330714464.64371.YahooMailNeo@web36704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1330716184.45363.YahooMailNeo@web36706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <40E92FAD-C6F9-4297-AA60-D5FACB754FEE@mac.com> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 15:00:25 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: So Long Everybody From: Jim Goodin To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307d05ea0d416604ba480735 Resent-Message-ID: <0L7NO.A.iL.abSUPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 20:00:26 +0000 (UTC) --20cf307d05ea0d416604ba480735 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No 'Like' button on the list :) Daniel but I must say 'Like' to all expressed and Marc well you get 'automatic Likes' for just being the list rebel rouser :) I have met Bob Amstadt who was kind enough to host me in his home when I needed lodging a few years ago at Y2K. He's a sincere and kind soul as well as highly creative soul. I'm sure this will all work out in the end..= . Jim On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Daniel Thomas wrote= : > I knew him. Hero might be too much title for any mortal. But, a good ma= n > he was. Don't let the publishers needs to sell a billion books diminish > this. > > He once said-- Apple and All of Silicon Valley should become a gift to > humanity. He worked relentlessly toward this objective. > > I am not lionizing him guys. He blew my eyebrows off more than once with > his demanding demeanor. But I would take another blast from that fire > thrower just sit with him once more. > > d > On Mar 2, 2012, at 11:23 AM, Paul Richards wrote: > > 'Sorry. I finished Job's biography recently and saw my former hero worshi= p > of him greatly diminish. > > *From:* Daniel Thomas > *To:* Paul Richards > *Cc:* "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" < > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > *Sent:* Friday, March 2, 2012 2:15 PM > *Subject:* Re: So Long Everybody > > Chinese workers that recently were blown up in the FoxConn factory, > cleaning iPads. > > > For the record, not a price I condone for innovation. And in fact, I > would say that this has little to do with innovation and more to do with > GREED. "Silly human race-- your's is no disgrace." > > d > On Mar 2, 2012, at 10:54 AM, Paul Richards wrote: > > (do you anticipate that innovation comes with out high risk) > > Yeah, just ask the Chinese workers that recently were blown up in the > FoxConn factory, cleaning iPads. > > *From:* Daniel Thomas > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Cc:* 'Robert Amstadt' > *Sent:* Friday, March 2, 2012 1:17 PM > *Subject:* Re: So Long Everybody > > I have only one response to "bad tastes" and "itching for a fight" > > I had the good fortune to know and work with some amazing leaders in > Silicon Valley-- among them Steve Jobs during his last years at Apple. H= e > once said to me and others-- "do you anticipate that innovation comes wi= th > out high risk?" > > And now, to order my LP-2 . > > Cheers > Daniel > > > On Mar 1, 2012, at 9:57 PM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > > > Hi Bob-- > > Nice to finally hear from you. > > Yes, a refund is fine. I am willing to call it quits. > > Everybody go back to looping now, this leaves a really bad taste in my > > mouth. > > > > Gary > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Robert Amstadt [mailto:bob@looperlative.com] > > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 9:27 PM > > To: Clayton Gary Lehmann > > Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: LP-2 Update (for Gary Lehman, especially) > > > > Gary, > > > > I haven't read my email this week and I'm just reading it now. Rick > > indicates that you want a refund and I will process it right now. If > > this is in error, then let me know. > > > > Bob > > > > On Mar 1, 2012, at 1:05 PM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > > > >> Hi Rick and list-- > >> Believe it or not, this is me being patient. > >> My preference is to get the unit, but I can't wait any longer. Bob > >> has had 8 > >> months to contact me, and I sent the two emails to the address you > >> provided > >> me. > >> I'm ccing him again. > >> If I don't hear from him by tomorrow, I will take action. > >> I'm not being a jerk, and anyone who thinks I am is itching for a > >> fight. > >> Gary > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Rick Walker [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] > >> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 12:41 PM > >> To: Clayton Gary Lehmann > >> Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com; bob@looperlative.com > >> Subject: Re: RE: LP-2 Update (for Gary Lehman, especially) > >> > >> On 3/1/12 10:25 AM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > >>> Hello list members, > >>> I sent Bob emails from both of my addresses, nothing. > >>> I checked with my bank, they paid him > >>> Subtotal: 300.00 > >>> Tax: 27.75 > >>> Shipping: 17.00 > >>> Total: 344.75 > >>> As requested. So I paid tax and shipping on an item I have not only > >>> not > >>> received, but also about which I have not been communicated with. > >>> Sorry, that's not very grammatical, I will try again. > >>> He's got my money and I have received not so much as a how do you do. > >>> I am mad. > >>> Sorry again. > >>> As you can see, I have CCed him. > >>> My next step is to get my bank to file a claim and get my stinkin' > >>> money > >>> back. > >>> This is no way to do business. > >>> Gary > >>> > >> Relax, Gary, I've never read that you wanted a refund. This is the > >> first time. > >> > >> I actually counseled you to ask for a refund quite a while back > >> because > >> I saw that you were very impatient > >> (you've written this list several times about it) but you indicated > >> you > >> were still waiting. > >> > >> I'm very sorry you are pissed about this so I will call Bob today to > >> send you a refund. > >> > >> You can write me from now on if you want any updates on that, but rest > >> assured, I'll do it today. > >> > >> btw, what email are you using for Bob, just to make sure that's not > >> been the disconnect. > >> > >> yours, Rick > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > --=20 --=20 *Tips Across the Waters *, a new app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware. *From Brooklyn To Glindran*, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. --20cf307d05ea0d416604ba480735 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No 'Like' button on the list :) Daniel but I must say 'Like'= ; to all expressed and Marc well you get 'automatic Likes' for just= being the list rebel rouser :)

I have met Bob Amstadt w= ho was kind enough to host me in his home when I needed lodging a few years= ago at Y2K. =A0He's a sincere and kind soul as well as highly creative= soul. =A0I'm sure this will all work out in the end...

Jim

On Fri, Mar 2, 20= 12 at 2:25 PM, Daniel Thomas <danielthomas4@mac.com> wrote:

I knew him. =A0Hero might be too much t= itle for any mortal. =A0But, a good man he was. =A0Don't let the publis= hers needs to sell a billion books diminish this. =A0

He= once said-- =A0Apple and All of Silicon Valley should become a gift to hum= anity. =A0He worked relentlessly toward this objective. =A0

I am not lionizing him guys. He blew my eyebrows off mo= re than once with his demanding demeanor. But I would take another blast fr= om that fire thrower just sit with him once more.

O= n Mar 2, 2012, at 11:23 AM, Paul Richards wrote:

'Sorry. I finished Job's biography recently and saw my f= ormer hero worship of him greatly diminish.

From: Daniel Thomas &l= t;danielthomas4@= mac.com>
To: Paul = Richards <paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com>
Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loop= ers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 = 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: So L= ong Everybody

Chinese workers that recently were blown up in the FoxConn facto= ry, cleaning iPads.

For the record, not a price I condone for innovation. =A0And in fact, = I would say that this has little to do with innovation and more to do with = GREED. =A0"Silly human race-- your's is no disgrace."

d

On Mar 2, 2012, at 10:54 AM, Paul Richards wrote:

(do you anticipate that innovation comes with out high risk)

=A0

Yeah, just ask the Chinese workers that recently were blown up i= n the FoxConn factory, cleaning iPads.

From: Daniel Thomas &l= t;danielthomas4@mac.com>
To:= Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Cc: 'Robert Amstadt'= <bob@looperlative.com>
S= ent: Friday, March 2, 2012 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: So Long Everybo= dy

I have only one response to "bad tastes" a= nd=A0 "itching for a fight"

I had the good fortune to know= and work with some amazing leaders in Silicon Valley-- among them Steve Jo= bs during his last years at Apple.=A0 He once said to me and others--=A0 &q= uot;do you anticipate that innovation comes with out high risk?"

And now, to order my LP-2 .

Cheers
Daniel

On Mar = 1, 2012, at 9:57 PM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote:

> Hi Bob--
&g= t; Nice to finally hear from you.
> Yes, a refund is fine. I am willi= ng to call it quits.
> Everybody go back to looping now, this leaves a really bad taste in my=
> mouth.
>
> Gary
>
>
> -----Origin= al Message-----
> From: Robert Amstadt [mailto:bob@looperlative.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 9:27 PM
> To: Clayton Gary Lehman= n
> Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>= ; Subject: Re: LP-2 Update (for Gary Lehman, especially)
>
> Gary,
>
> I haven't read my email this week = and I'm just reading it now.=A0 Rick=A0
> indicates that you wan= t a refund and I will process it right now.=A0 If=A0
> this is in er= ror, then let me know.
>
> Bob
>
> On Mar 1, 2012, at 1:05 PM, Clayton Gary= Lehmann wrote:
>
>> Hi Rick and list--
>> Believe= it or not, this is me being patient.
>> My preference is to get t= he unit, but I can't wait any longer. Bob=A0
>> has had 8
>> months to contact me, an= d I sent the two emails to the address you=A0
>> provided
>= > me.
>> I'm ccing him again.
>> If I don't he= ar from him by tomorrow, I will take action.
>> I'm not being a jerk, and anyone who thinks I am is itching fo= r a=A0
>> fight.
>> Gary
>>
>> -----O= riginal Message-----
>> From: Rick Walker [mailto:looppool@cruzio.c= om]
>> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 12:41 PM
>> To: Clayton Ga= ry Lehmann
>> Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.c= om; bob@looperlative.com
>> Subject: Re: RE: LP-2 Update (for Gary Lehman, especially)
>= >
>> On 3/1/12 10:25 AM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote:
>&g= t;> Hello list members,
>>> I sent Bob emails from both of m= y addresses, nothing.
>>> I checked with my bank, they paid him
>>> Subtotal= : 300.00
>>> Tax: 27.75
>>> Shipping: 17.00
>= >> Total: 344.75
>>> As requested. So I paid tax and ship= ping on an item I have not only=A0
>>> not
>>> received, but also about which I have not = been communicated with.
>>> Sorry, that's not very grammati= cal, I will try again.
>>> He's got my money and I have rec= eived not so much as a how do you do.
>>> I am mad.
>>> Sorry again.
>>> As you = can see, I have CCed him.
>>> My next step is to get my bank to file a claim and get my stinkin'=A0
>= >> money
>>> back.
>>> This is no way to do b= usiness.
>>> Gary
>>>
>> Relax, Gary,=A0 = I've never read that you wanted a refund.=A0 This is the
>> first time.
>>
>> I actually counseled you to a= sk for a refund quite a while back=A0
>> because
>> I sa= w that you were very impatient
>> (you've written this list se= veral times about it) but you indicated=A0
>> you
>> were still waiting.
>>
>> I'= ;m very sorry you are=A0 pissed about this so I will call Bob today to
&= gt;> send you a refund.
>>
>> You can write me from n= ow on if you want any updates on that, but rest
>> assured,=A0 I'll do it today.
>>
>> btw,=A0= what email are you using for Bob,=A0 just to make sure that's not
>> been the disconnect.
>>
= >> yours,=A0 Rick
>>
>>
>

<= /div>

--=A0

Tips Across the Waters, a n= ew app for iOS from James Goodin/Wood and Wire Ware.

From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording = by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds
from the sale of this CD = will benefit JDRF International.=A0=A0jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.

--20cf307d05ea0d416604ba480735-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 21:39:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 782D0183463; Fri, 2 Mar 2012 21:39:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F513E1F.70906@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 13:39:43 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andy butler CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Keep your sets interesting - reprise References: <4F5110EF.40203@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4F5110EF.40203@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 21:39:53 +0000 (UTC) On 3/2/12 10:26 AM, andy butler wrote: > Petri Lahtinen wrote: > >> 40 minutes of drum solo is quite a challenge, what do you think ;-) > > to listen? Actually, this video has a few takes in it. The brushes portion of the video has an end at around 11 minutes or so. Then the camera switches and he does a stick solo. I'm a trap set drummer and I have to say that i loved the brushes solo but the stick solo is a lot less interesting to me (given that he is a wonderful drummer). For my tastes, his drum palette is somewhat limited because of the hi pitches and relative close tuning of the tom toms. I know this is idiomatic and works well in jazz, but the brush solo had a lot more variety of sound and contrast. just my take on it.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 21:40:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75F5F183473; Fri, 2 Mar 2012 21:40:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 731990.27975.bm@omp1063.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1330724437; bh=DxTQF+v+SzG7b7HMfiaeCz3GRU4h+nSqwVe9vedq8fE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jmBumC0sU1zDNTeG1XXkPcfm6n9S2wrn5bCum1WRgzpnhJGxi+loZZFue5+785SczAwCfKD230TAYBzu6QTwVon44C0tkJnJYWmxg++yH0TzuZPUWfAfRbkPwUqA3A8lrsJtBdsXjtTZvBnKj0x7MHgGnXlI7c5lRPu75qNrjgk= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=akK8p6yqtrBjFaEuPgGHPsNpnZLWz109Thv/gPL0tuli7TSnwU2eHKtWL6t13Z+Zdesz3+O70cdv2VwAE2LColOn0ORQbvZcuyX9YhYztyD92pR5OuPUbpOWRxupfpYcn0/z7905wIyazoDZ21mOPP7w2awwxS/m+ZL4KjbFgPU=; X-YMail-OSG: XF9v4_oVM1kcSS58Cx6a3gs4APIU4oPjDPOdreVXsUw4toa 29jkFXlR5HBdmvSiP_RnKgjDeETDNvBw_FNX9tZIbU3j1y4bS29GSbpy45Mt wgaEgO8jnokp0Y_g7z73d63QN88r8RsCHH4X8tOPrdFIjo4HwqdvlPgBxCdA IE6HrrbBzgogAHt3gAOCxgabLRH7BxBERY5XPqGCxQ5brSDleK4yGTHcZhsW m6Ec6Xjwzxgw2Y8XQL07jw9WQ1qWWxVJAKey3e1LxI1oozlCAIaAmHpoe.vc 3hVRyHbXSCtYw5u_9lKcnF839mUqrbbrduQ.JUUoAQrheX6HW5it2aXi0wt7 dVbUbj3OQwhXIevDuBNGqHrZwTGdZe81RWk_EyCp5l._lKvqVRQSlPnwfF70 dkf06pP2ZpRqGsuNZ20F7kELZ5ZWnJZ.QezfWTMh5Lgpr4rP.ykwgvqMQ2Zk WAO8Xk6_h3NtlOIMp5w-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.338427 Message-ID: <1330724436.4665.YahooMailNeo@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 13:40:36 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: so long To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-3126525-784403729-1330724436=:4665" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 21:40:38 +0000 (UTC) ---3126525-784403729-1330724436=:4665 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very unfortunate, that incident in China. Many there have it better, many h= ave it worse. We have practically zero control over how each factory is run= by it's owner/manager. All we can do is pressure the people that work with= these factories and hope for better. =0A=A0=0A=A0Back in the 1800s things = weren't any different in this nation. In the late 19teens, the wobblies, (I= WW union) were gunned down in public with ne'er a charge filed. Their gripe= ? Better working conditions in the logging camps, coal mines, and garment f= actories. In my state, (WA), Armisice day 1919, the American Legion had a p= arade in the town where I lived. For the 2nd year in a row, they stopped in= front of the wobbly union hall to "reform the ranks". In 1918, they storme= d the union hall and demolished it. In 1919 when they attempted to do the s= ame, the wobblies defended themselves. 4 Legion guys were killed.=A0Several= wobblies but 1=A0wobbly ran away. They chased him to a river north of town= , and he couldn't get across. A legionare came into the river after him. He= said, "don't come any closer, I'll shoot". The legionare kept approaching,= yelling what they did to agitators. Sure enough the wobbly , Wesley Everes= t, shot and killed Mr. McElfresh. They grabbed him, beat him so=A0badly, that when they got him to jail downtown,= he was unrecognizable. They were going to hang him on the spot, but it was= decided there were too many women and children around. They threw him in j= ail. That night there was an unexplainable power outage at the jail. A mob = showed up. The jailer threw them the keys and ran away. The mob took him fr= om the jail, headed for the Chehalis river bridge, emasculating him on the = way. They hung him not once, but 4 times from the bridge. He was shot full = of bullets. The next morning the police chief ordered him cut down. His bod= y was thrown into the jailhouse with the rest of the jailed wobblies and le= ft lying there for 4 days. =0A=A0=0A=A015 wobblies were charged with murder= ing 4 American legion "patriots". The trial was moved to an adjacent county= because of interest in a fair trial. When the jury went into deliberations= , several hundred National Guardsmen pitched camp on the courthouse lawn. T= hey were there to ensure the "correct" verdict was decided. 14 wobblies wen= t to prison for 15 years.=0A=A0=0A=A0Up north in Everett that year, some wo= bblies rode a ferry up from Seattle. As the ferry neared the shore, full of= wobblies singing union songs, a couple dozen deputies opened fire. 23 wobb= lies were killed, 3 deputies, 2 from fellow deputies bullets. Those wobblie= s too, did long prison terms. My landlord saw the first incident as a boy. = His house was repeatedly=A0invaded and ransacked by the legion because his = parents had German accents.=0A=A0=0A=A0Just a reminder that "this great nat= ion" has a few blemishes on it's history also. Hard-working people wanting = humane working conditions, mowed down by "patriots" working for the interes= ts of the lumber barons. Perhaps someday, the Chinese may undergo this type= of bloody, violent revolution to get better working conditions. Then again= , maybe not.=0AMy $0.02=0ARig ---3126525-784403729-1330724436=:4665 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Very unfortunate, that incident in China. Many there have it better, = many have it worse. We have practically zero control over how each factory = is run by it's owner/manager. All we can do is pressure the people that wor= k with these factories and hope for better.

Back in the 1800s things weren't any diffe= rent in this nation. In the late 19teens, the wobblies, (IWW union) were gu= nned down in public with ne'er a charge filed. Their gripe? Better working = conditions in the logging camps, coal mines, and garment factories. In my s= tate, (WA), Armisice day 1919, the American Legion had a parade in the town= where I lived. For the 2nd year in a row, they stopped in front of the wob= bly union hall to "reform the ranks". In 1918, they stormed the union hall = and demolished it. In 1919 when they attempted to do the same, the wobblies= defended themselves. 4 Legion guys were killed. Several wobblies but = 1 wobbly ran away. They chased him to a river north of town, and he co= uldn't get across. A legionare came into the river after him. He said, "don= 't come any closer, I'll shoot". The legionare kept approaching, yelling wh= at they did to agitators. Sure enough the wobbly , Wesley Everest, shot and killed Mr. McElfresh. They grabbed him, beat him so badly, t= hat when they got him to jail downtown, he was unrecognizable. They were go= ing to hang him on the spot, but it was decided there were too many women a= nd children around. They threw him in jail. That night there was an unexpla= inable power outage at the jail. A mob showed up. The jailer threw them the= keys and ran away. The mob took him from the jail, headed for the Chehalis= river bridge, emasculating him on the way. They hung him not once, but 4 t= imes from the bridge. He was shot full of bullets. The next morning the pol= ice chief ordered him cut down. His body was thrown into the jailhouse with= the rest of the jailed wobblies and left lying there for 4 days.

15 wobblies were charged with murdering 4 = American legion "patriots". The trial was moved to an adjacent county becau= se of interest in a fair trial. When the jury went into deliberations, seve= ral hundred National Guardsmen pitched camp on the courthouse lawn. They we= re there to ensure the "correct" verdict was decided. 14 wobblies went to p= rison for 15 years.

Up north in Everett that year, some wobbli= es rode a ferry up from Seattle. As the ferry neared the shore, full of wob= blies singing union songs, a couple dozen deputies opened fire. 23 wobblies= were killed, 3 deputies, 2 from fellow deputies bullets. Those wobblies to= o, did long prison terms. My landlord saw the first incident as a boy. His = house was repeatedly invaded and ransacked by the legion because his p= arents had German accents.

Just a reminder that "this great nation" h= as a few blemishes on it's history also. Hard-working people wanting humane= working conditions, mowed down by "patriots" working for the interests of = the lumber barons. Perhaps someday, the Chinese may undergo this type of bl= oody, violent revolution to get better working conditions. Then again, mayb= e not.

My $0.02

Rig

---3126525-784403729-1330724436=:4665-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 21:44:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A761018345D; Fri, 2 Mar 2012 21:44:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 21:44:45 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 15:44:22 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: XFest video on You Tube "Unspoken Words" Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, Frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <2nWxEC.A.pcB.N9TUPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 21:44:45 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I've posted another video on You Tube at http://youtu.be/cQlcNDVUraY "Unspoken Words" is an improvisation taken from XFest 2012. XFest is an annual festival of improvisation curated by Walter Wright at 119 Gallery in Lowell, MA. Walter invites musicians, video artists, dancers and from the Boston area and out-of-town, and groups them in unique ensembles. "Unspoken Words" was performed with Tom Hamilton - electronics, Andy Allen - reeds, Flandrew Fleisenberg - drums, percussion, Junko Simons - cello. The title is an indirect reference to a video sequence of a woman talking into a headset that I obtained from a stock video tape. Her words are unheard, rather than unspoken. (poetic license and all that). XFest ROCKS! BTW Some of my photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ -- "I rang a silent bell ..." -- Robert Hunter "... cast your dancing spell my way, I promise to go under it" -- Bob Dylan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 21:51:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C940A183473; Fri, 2 Mar 2012 21:51:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 783017.6343.bm@omp1012.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1330725101; bh=UTbtd5E6a3v12Ivkz202YB5sYw4NP033B//UQZ5k6I8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NLf1KECCaGaE8tdPQCLAjlAkFisN2Um/0OPfjjmDdARqGWo2VpWUbqRjrY7ZyuAOFQpDxkI6UinFHtOVbo82hYWTLxfmtRVPCdoHWxu8GLpXEBEhqbhbQkAHIWjf5VWqpqhLUjOnH3Knv2gSDgmDW6wFWJgi21tGYxe/wgqiDS4= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=folYNgghHcuKpIBL8UTPnT795jAdJMOE5peZhweWOoSbvQpEtQz6jyfFA33IBYU1aRkAHi1X5508H+rLeWf1KOeXmNwYoOTz87TeYIRiyYNMQxT4aA+KX84OJoqVNSyhzDHk5FWuFSku/MPfGbOa60t/jEbM+es3wSWjgXukRdc=; X-YMail-OSG: gI47E7oVM1lCD.8RO5aG.Y033exRXOd1GZm0oBHQ630b.gC kmOq7xxvxW6pf9XfCVXBywYH2AiKOvnsDOIzRG.J9ycXInqKn4J4rqxcUN9S EzVT7AthpWcuHw27ObQ1Pz.KSSHZAMJMh2OoYsSBkm76x_y3oRHKDoLZglLD b1DgDrlKjn2wIC3liN5hqAngNZwzn74jghnhsK7wGEPCQuGc9Nm.tL0891oP FkJjXChfrlk6myC9XsXntWq3ov52SAANqROBkzjznTn4STA68IjlgiFGqrXa HRYtIlfSATYpZXcCVlPFyf7IFw5TsHvJFIU541s3HQ38cHzEvD2IpCOEO1RR cepqFgvbLRP0iH1o3qjePDgE1wlJjyNUNahSBu2H760zefUe4OlPgIl6BGaw qk9rQHFSKcK.wDuPv1v_eG8isWTkXhLomyVIwML2UFOXNYdEOSlBoCNavpZN QgksYKvo0r1w4pnDwxKYnFrMpxRhHlcTLl9ARTb1d5ba8qS_jP5s- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.338427 References: <1330724436.4665.YahooMailNeo@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1330725101.15413.YahooMailNeo@web36706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 13:51:41 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Reply-To: Paul Richards Subject: Re: so long To: bill bigrig , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <1330724436.4665.YahooMailNeo@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-2114655128-316511743-1330725101=:15413" Resent-Message-ID: <8dtAuD.A.plB.uDUUPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 21:51:42 +0000 (UTC) ---2114655128-316511743-1330725101=:15413 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OTOH, the main problem with companies like Apple, HP and all the rest is th= ey are effectively dismantling the societal system that exists in the U.S. = so that a few can be enriched in a massive way while millions become unempl= oyed and/or underemployed. =0A=A0=0AFoxConn was reported to have around 400= ,000 people building electronic junk in China. And there are others. A lot = of those jobs were positioned in the U.S. at one time. Of course, I won't m= ention that the country itself (China) is a Communist police state. So much= for the Cold War. And of course, U.S citizens love of cheap Wal-mart, et a= l=A0products is enriching a country that is ramping up their military & spa= ce capabilities to ultimately challenge U.S. hegemony (some may think this = a good thing).=0A=A0=0AI wonder if there's some new direction/force at work= in China currently at least as pertaining to musical products. I know Fend= er stated they moved the production of the Super Champ to Mexico due to the= ir manufacturer getting out of the musical equipment manufacturing business= .=0A=A0=0AAnd, I have two items on back order that keep getting delayed: A = Peavey Vypyr Tube amp and a Fernandes guitar that have been pushed back to = June 2012. Somewhat unusual.=0A=A0=0AP=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=0A=0A__________= ______________________=0AFrom: bill bigrig =0ATo: "Lo= opers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" = =0ASent: Friday, March 2, 2012 4:40 PM=0ASubject: Re: so long=0A=0A=0AVery = unfortunate, that incident in China. Many there have it better, many have i= t worse. We have practically zero control over how each factory is run by i= t's owner/manager. All we can do is pressure the people that work with thes= e factories and hope for better. =0A=0A=A0Back in the 1800s things weren't = any different in this nation. In the late 19teens, the wobblies, (IWW union= ) were gunned down in public with ne'er a charge filed. Their gripe? Better= working conditions in the logging camps, coal mines, and garment factories= . In my state, (WA), Armisice day 1919, the American Legion had a parade in= the town where I lived. For the 2nd year in a row, they stopped in front o= f the wobbly union hall to "reform the ranks". In 1918, they stormed the un= ion hall and demolished it. In 1919 when they attempted to do the same, the= wobblies defended themselves. 4 Legion guys were killed.=A0Several wobblie= s but 1=A0wobbly ran away. They chased him to a river north of town, and he= couldn't get across. A legionare came into the river after him. He said, "= don't come any closer, I'll shoot". The legionare kept approaching, yelling= what they did to agitators. Sure enough the wobbly , Wesley Everest, shot = and killed Mr. McElfresh. They grabbed him, beat him so=A0badly, that when they got him to jail downtown,= he was unrecognizable. They were going to hang him on the spot, but it was= decided there were too many women and children around. They threw him in j= ail. That night there was an unexplainable power outage at the jail. A mob = showed up. The jailer threw them the keys and ran away. The mob took him fr= om the jail, headed for the Chehalis river bridge, emasculating him on the = way. They hung him not once, but 4 times from the bridge. He was shot full = of bullets. The next morning the police chief ordered him cut down. His bod= y was thrown into the jailhouse with the rest of the jailed wobblies and le= ft lying there for 4 days. =0A=0A=A015 wobblies were charged with murdering= 4 American legion "patriots". The trial was moved to an adjacent county be= cause of interest in a fair trial. When the jury went into deliberations, s= everal hundred National Guardsmen pitched camp on the courthouse lawn. They= were there to ensure the "correct" verdict was decided. 14 wobblies went t= o prison for 15 years.=0A=0A=A0Up north in Everett that year, some wobblies= rode a ferry up from Seattle. As the ferry neared the shore, full of wobbl= ies singing union songs, a couple dozen deputies opened fire. 23 wobblies w= ere killed, 3 deputies, 2 from fellow deputies bullets. Those wobblies too,= did long prison terms. My landlord saw the first incident as a boy. His ho= use was repeatedly=A0invaded and ransacked by the legion because his parent= s had German accents.=0A=0A=A0Just a reminder that "this great nation" has = a few blemishes on it's history also. Hard-working people wanting humane wo= rking conditions, mowed down by "patriots" working for the interests of the= lumber barons. Perhaps someday, the Chinese may undergo this type of blood= y, violent revolution to get better working conditions. Then again, maybe n= ot.=0AMy $0.02=0ARig ---2114655128-316511743-1330725101=:15413 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

OTOH, the main problem with companies lik= e Apple, HP and all the rest is they are effectively dismantling the societ= al system that exists in the U.S. so that a few can be enriched in a massiv= e way while millions become unemployed and/or underemployed.

FoxConn was reported= to have around 400,000 people building electronic junk in China. And there= are others. A lot of those jobs were positioned in the U.S. at one time. O= f course, I won't mention that the country itself (China) is a Communist po= lice state. So much for the Cold War. And of course, U.S citizens love of c= heap Wal-mart, et al products is enriching a country that is ramping u= p their military & space capabilities to ultimately challenge U.S. hege= mony (some may think this a good thing).

I wonder if there's = some new direction/force at work in China currently at least as pertaining = to musical products. I know Fender stated they moved the production of the = Super Champ to Mexico due to their manufacturer getting out of the musical = equipment manufacturing business.

And, I have two item= s on back order that keep getting delayed: A Peavey Vypyr Tube amp and a Fe= rnandes guitar that have been pushed back to June 2012. Somewhat unusual.

From:= bill bigrig <billbigrig@yahoo.com>
To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <= Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: so long

Very unfortunate, that incident in China. Many there have it better, m= any have it worse. We have practically zero control over how each factory i= s run by it's owner/manager. All we can do is pressure the people that work= with these factories and hope for better.

Back in the 1800s things weren't any different in this nation. I= n the late 19teens, the wobblies, (IWW union) were gunned down in public wi= th ne'er a charge filed. Their gripe? Better working conditions in the logg= ing camps, coal mines, and garment factories. In my state, (WA), Armisice d= ay 1919, the American Legion had a parade in the town where I lived. For th= e 2nd year in a row, they stopped in front of the wobbly union hall to "ref= orm the ranks". In 1918, they stormed the union hall and demolished it. In = 1919 when they attempted to do the same, the wobblies defended themselves. = 4 Legion guys were killed. Several wobblies but 1 wobbly ran away= . They chased him to a river north of town, and he couldn't get across. A l= egionare came into the river after him. He said, "don't come any closer, I'= ll shoot". The legionare kept approaching, yelling what they did to agitato= rs. Sure enough the wobbly , Wesley Everest, shot and killed Mr. McElfresh. They grabbed him, beat him so badly, that when they got hi= m to jail downtown, he was unrecognizable. They were going to hang him on t= he spot, but it was decided there were too many women and children around. = They threw him in jail. That night there was an unexplainable power outage = at the jail. A mob showed up. The jailer threw them the keys and ran away. = The mob took him from the jail, headed for the Chehalis river bridge, emasc= ulating him on the way. They hung him not once, but 4 times from the bridge= . He was shot full of bullets. The next morning the police chief ordered hi= m cut down. His body was thrown into the jailhouse with the rest of the jai= led wobblies and left lying there for 4 days.

15 wobblies were charged with murdering 4 American legion "patri= ots". The trial was moved to an adjacent county because of interest in a fa= ir trial. When the jury went into deliberations, several hundred National G= uardsmen pitched camp on the courthouse lawn. They were there to ensure the= "correct" verdict was decided. 14 wobblies went to prison for 15 years.

Up north in Everett that year, some wobblies rode a ferry up fro= m Seattle. As the ferry neared the shore, full of wobblies singing union so= ngs, a couple dozen deputies opened fire. 23 wobblies were killed, 3 deputi= es, 2 from fellow deputies bullets. Those wobblies too, did long prison ter= ms. My landlord saw the first incident as a boy. His house was repeatedly&n= bsp;invaded and ransacked by the legion because his parents had German acce= nts.

Just a reminder that "this great nation" has a few blemishes on = it's history also. Hard-working people wanting humane working conditions, m= owed down by "patriots" working for the interests of the lumber barons. Per= haps someday, the Chinese may undergo this type of bloody, violent revoluti= on to get better working conditions. Then again, maybe not.

My $0.02

Rig

---2114655128-316511743-1330725101=:15413-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 22:21:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBE04183461; Fri, 2 Mar 2012 22:21:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_lxyPj2dq0N8J2ngIXgyDwg)" X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7498,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-03-02_06:2012-03-02,2012-03-02,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1203020211 Subject: Re: so long -- and further off topic. From: Daniel Thomas In-reply-to: <1330725101.15413.YahooMailNeo@web36706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 14:21:12 -0800 Cc: bill bigrig , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-id: <379B44EC-52C9-4DD7-A886-8A230411CF9B@mac.com> References: <1330724436.4665.YahooMailNeo@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1330725101.15413.YahooMailNeo@web36706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Paul Richards X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <3UH8wC.A.58B.afUUPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 22:21:14 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_lxyPj2dq0N8J2ngIXgyDwg) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable > FoxConn was reported to have around 400,000 people building electronic = junk in China. And there are others. A lot of those jobs were positioned = in the U.S. at one time.=20 Here Here!! bring the jobs back home and stand up for human rights at = the same time! Ah but its really complicated, isn't it.=20 Are walmart crowding Americans prepared to pay for this? --Its not just = an American problem either. Many rich and poor Euro countries on the = same path. =20 Note that Universal Audio, venerable hand-built audio component = builder's product line is now focused on "American" products that it = builds in printed circuit board factories of China. So are FocusRite, = Lexicon and others. Were they not -- they would all go belly up in a = disappearing high end market. =20 So, Its a complicated problem where any step winds up upon some poor = family's toes. Not sure we can ever retreat to pre globalization = conditions or that we would want too. But I certainly do think that, in = the US at least, we have given our industrial base away-- all while = trumpeting the rise of a service industry in America. WTF? We all = gonna become bell hops? The call center service industry jobs are = mostly going to Bangalore-- the best hotels are their too. =20 "Son, if you want to be a bell hop like dad.. Learn Mandarin."=20 No matter what flag we fly-- We've all been sold down the river by fat = cats. Shame on us. Humanity can do better. =20 D And how about some decent solder in guitar amp while we are at it.=20 Daniel=20 On Mar 2, 2012, at 1:51 PM, Paul Richards wrote: > OTOH, the main problem with companies like Apple, HP and all the rest = is they are effectively dismantling the societal system that exists in = the U.S. so that a few can be enriched in a massive way while millions = become unemployed and/or underemployed. > =20 > FoxConn was reported to have around 400,000 people building electronic = junk in China. And there are others. A lot of those jobs were positioned = in the U.S. at one time. Of course, I won't mention that the country = itself (China) is a Communist police state. So much for the Cold War. = And of course, U.S citizens love of cheap Wal-mart, et al products is = enriching a country that is ramping up their military & space = capabilities to ultimately challenge U.S. hegemony (some may think this = a good thing). > =20 > I wonder if there's some new direction/force at work in China = currently at least as pertaining to musical products. I know Fender = stated they moved the production of the Super Champ to Mexico due to = their manufacturer getting out of the musical equipment manufacturing = business. > =20 > And, I have two items on back order that keep getting delayed: A = Peavey Vypyr Tube amp and a Fernandes guitar that have been pushed back = to June 2012. Somewhat unusual. > =20 > P > =20 > =20 > =20 >=20 > From: bill bigrig > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" = =20 > Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 4:40 PM > Subject: Re: so long >=20 > Very unfortunate, that incident in China. Many there have it better, = many have it worse. We have practically zero control over how each = factory is run by it's owner/manager. All we can do is pressure the = people that work with these factories and hope for better. > =20 > Back in the 1800s things weren't any different in this nation. In the = late 19teens, the wobblies, (IWW union) were gunned down in public with = ne'er a charge filed. Their gripe? Better working conditions in the = logging camps, coal mines, and garment factories. In my state, (WA), = Armisice day 1919, the American Legion had a parade in the town where I = lived. For the 2nd year in a row, they stopped in front of the wobbly = union hall to "reform the ranks". In 1918, they stormed the union hall = and demolished it. In 1919 when they attempted to do the same, the = wobblies defended themselves. 4 Legion guys were killed. Several = wobblies but 1 wobbly ran away. They chased him to a river north of = town, and he couldn't get across. A legionare came into the river after = him. He said, "don't come any closer, I'll shoot". The legionare kept = approaching, yelling what they did to agitators. Sure enough the wobbly = , Wesley Everest, shot and killed Mr. McElfresh. They grabbed him, beat = him so badly, that when they got him to jail downtown, he was = unrecognizable. They were going to hang him on the spot, but it was = decided there were too many women and children around. They threw him in = jail. That night there was an unexplainable power outage at the jail. A = mob showed up. The jailer threw them the keys and ran away. The mob took = him from the jail, headed for the Chehalis river bridge, emasculating = him on the way. They hung him not once, but 4 times from the bridge. He = was shot full of bullets. The next morning the police chief ordered him = cut down. His body was thrown into the jailhouse with the rest of the = jailed wobblies and left lying there for 4 days. > =20 > 15 wobblies were charged with murdering 4 American legion "patriots". = The trial was moved to an adjacent county because of interest in a fair = trial. When the jury went into deliberations, several hundred National = Guardsmen pitched camp on the courthouse lawn. They were there to ensure = the "correct" verdict was decided. 14 wobblies went to prison for 15 = years. > =20 > Up north in Everett that year, some wobblies rode a ferry up from = Seattle. As the ferry neared the shore, full of wobblies singing union = songs, a couple dozen deputies opened fire. 23 wobblies were killed, 3 = deputies, 2 from fellow deputies bullets. Those wobblies too, did long = prison terms. My landlord saw the first incident as a boy. His house was = repeatedly invaded and ransacked by the legion because his parents had = German accents. > =20 > Just a reminder that "this great nation" has a few blemishes on it's = history also. Hard-working people wanting humane working conditions, = mowed down by "patriots" working for the interests of the lumber barons. = Perhaps someday, the Chinese may undergo this type of bloody, violent = revolution to get better working conditions. Then again, maybe not. > My $0.02 > Rig >=20 >=20 --Boundary_(ID_lxyPj2dq0N8J2ngIXgyDwg) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

So, Its a complicated = problem where any step winds up upon some poor family's toes. Not = sure we can ever retreat to pre globalization conditions or that we = would want too. But I certainly do think that, in the US at least, = we have given our industrial base away-- all while trumpeting the rise = of a service industry in America. WTF? We all gonna become = bell hops? The call center service industry jobs are mostly = going to Bangalore-- the best hotels are their too. =

"Son, if you want to be a bell hop like dad.. = Learn Mandarin."

No matter what = flag we fly-- We've all been sold down the river by fat cats. Shame on = us. Humanity can do = better.

<= br>

And how about some decent solder in = guitar amp while we are at = it.

Daniel

On Mar 2, = 2012, at 1:51 PM, Paul Richards wrote:

OTOH, the main problem with companies = like Apple, HP and all the rest is they are effectively dismantling the = societal system that exists in the U.S. so that a few can be enriched in = a massive way while millions become unemployed and/or underemployed. =

FoxConn was = reported to have around 400,000 people building electronic junk in = China. And there are others. A lot of those jobs were positioned in the = U.S. at one time. Of course, I won't mention that the country itself = (China) is a Communist police state. So much for the Cold War. And of = course, U.S citizens love of cheap Wal-mart, et al products is = enriching a country that is ramping up their military & space = capabilities to ultimately challenge U.S. hegemony (some may think this = a good thing).

I wonder if = there's some new direction/force at work in China currently at least as = pertaining to musical products. I know Fender stated they moved the = production of the Super Champ to Mexico due to their manufacturer = getting out of the musical equipment manufacturing = business.

And, I have two = items on back order that keep getting delayed: A Peavey Vypyr Tube amp = and a Fernandes guitar that have been pushed back to June 2012. Somewhat = unusual.

P

From: bill bigrig <billbigrig@yahoo.com>
To: "Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com>
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: so = long

Very unfortunate, that incident in China. Many there have it = better, many have it worse. We have practically zero control over how = each factory is run by it's owner/manager. All we can do is pressure the = people that work with these factories and hope for better.

Back in the 1800s things weren't any different in this = nation. In the late 19teens, the wobblies, (IWW union) were gunned down = in public with ne'er a charge filed. Their gripe? Better working = conditions in the logging camps, coal mines, and garment factories. In = my state, (WA), Armisice day 1919, the American Legion had a parade in = the town where I lived. For the 2nd year in a row, they stopped in front = of the wobbly union hall to "reform the ranks". In 1918, they stormed = the union hall and demolished it. In 1919 when they attempted to do the = same, the wobblies defended themselves. 4 Legion guys were = killed. Several wobblies but 1 wobbly ran away. They chased = him to a river north of town, and he couldn't get across. A legionare = came into the river after him. He said, "don't come any closer, I'll = shoot". The legionare kept approaching, yelling what they did to = agitators. Sure enough the wobbly , Wesley Everest, shot and killed Mr. McElfresh. They grabbed him, beat him so badly, that when they got = him to jail downtown, he was unrecognizable. They were going to hang him = on the spot, but it was decided there were too many women and children = around. They threw him in jail. That night there was an unexplainable = power outage at the jail. A mob showed up. The jailer threw them the = keys and ran away. The mob took him from the jail, headed for the = Chehalis river bridge, emasculating him on the way. They hung him not = once, but 4 times from the bridge. He was shot full of bullets. The next = morning the police chief ordered him cut down. His body was thrown into = the jailhouse with the rest of the jailed wobblies and left lying there = for 4 days.

15 wobblies were charged with murdering 4 American legion = "patriots". The trial was moved to an adjacent county because of = interest in a fair trial. When the jury went into deliberations, several = hundred National Guardsmen pitched camp on the courthouse lawn. They = were there to ensure the "correct" verdict was decided. 14 wobblies went = to prison for 15 years.

Up north in Everett that year, some wobblies rode a ferry up = from Seattle. As the ferry neared the shore, full of wobblies singing = union songs, a couple dozen deputies opened fire. 23 wobblies were = killed, 3 deputies, 2 from fellow deputies bullets. Those wobblies too, = did long prison terms. My landlord saw the first incident as a boy. His = house was repeatedly invaded and ransacked by the legion because = his parents had German accents.

Just a reminder that "this great nation" has a few blemishes = on it's history also. Hard-working people wanting humane working = conditions, mowed down by "patriots" working for the interests of the = lumber barons. Perhaps someday, the Chinese may undergo this type of = bloody, violent revolution to get better working conditions. Then again, = maybe not.

My $0.02
=
Rig

= --Boundary_(ID_lxyPj2dq0N8J2ngIXgyDwg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 22:36:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2A69183462; Fri, 2 Mar 2012 22:36:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F514B67.5070703@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 14:36:23 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: OT: How to mix guitar/synth/drum machines? Guitar DI vs Amp? References: <8CEC6A11E9723E5-1864-11D5@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CEC6A11E9723E5-1864-11D5@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 22:36:32 +0000 (UTC) > marcus asks: > > Does anyone have suggested reading material for mixing guitar and > analog synths? > This page from Margarita Escobars' senior thesis for the University of Miami on PsychoAcoustics contains a lot of conceptual information for anyone who is learning about mixing. The whole page is a fascinating read but pay special attention to sections 2.7 and 2.8 on Timbral 'Masking' and 'Critical Bands' Because guitars and analogue synthesizers are frequently in the same frequency bands, these two concepts are absolutely crucial for mixing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 22:48:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66C73183464; Fri, 2 Mar 2012 22:48:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F514E4B.2080502@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 14:48:43 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bill bigrig CC: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Re: so long References: <1330724436.4665.YahooMailNeo@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1330724436.4665.YahooMailNeo@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 22:48:52 +0000 (UTC) On 3/2/12 1:40 PM, bill bigrig wrote: Thanks Bill for sharing the story of the wobblies and their persecution. What a horrific story.........such a blemish on the history of this country (which I wish was completely anomolous, but isn't). The huge difference between that story and ones that could potentially have happened in the US in this day an age is the proliferation of cell phone cameras and mass media sites. I don't think the Arab spring would be happening now if it wasn't for the proliferation of media on the planet. "The whole world's watching" as we used to say in the protests in the late 60's Only, now, it's possible. In the long run, I think this will be the downfall of the repressive regime in China. As the country becomes more and more prosperous, more and more people will get their hands on ubiquitous and inexpensive technology........cell phones, smart phones, cheap digital camcorders, etc. Horrific oppression, not unlike abuse on a personal level always occurs in the dark. I saw a bumper sticker here while back that said, "Secrecy Sickens" Maybe all of this inexpensive technology will ultimately be the thing that liberates a lot of the world. I'm not naive enough to think of this in a utopian mode, but at least I have some hope. thanks for posting, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 2 23:49:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F42318345A; Fri, 2 Mar 2012 23:49:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 2201.17801.bm@omp1020.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1330732160; bh=fjbSYLT1m388s+vhJhbwtQ8XKxYHuI6aleceZ2a/UUA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qr6YWcRlcNPYcvjkq37Cb8SXLuU30gKRt0uaTg4Itsq1rVTlYxVnYQoecYL7BQsu8jtPzQ2EH/lGOy1hD+AgPYvaknr8BG6dCxV+tXRG7oWHmJ43aBTos1j66R5J1B5iybJLpI31dIXZ5RgohnNwpbZoMNN1ydm4F3A1ZjtdU8Y= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Kl0kjKMYg3apKKbvK9iJtaqIXRN54TFe7UFoCAs4E9Z74Huv0+ovhxSd1M04G3/Pl5k8RcPAncSj92Z0iuIKvgOg9qXNM1k95QpOytP4hpbKaZnguIqPWi48OwFzzrZM+7mKTw6JTgl913krrMLpRq5tW9cpTi0FYIFMSr/uJyM=; X-YMail-OSG: X4hs1UQVM1k09QOt5AZPXyNy.1hJdVjc3fL05cQUoZOLHR5 _ljx1x1miVR1YQi7yZFhGZsRkAuXBscZJMDPi1SzK8_7YU0C0Wu2WH528cAT hj28ATbXULqJVnvFP.uWl1sj6DrlWwSw78Ih.4AsTFiM_slzHaD7qm1AP9Ez gZ5oPEoN3d80CP7thAQKwJJqJuZNmvPvUfS.K48hXtw_7spEkwnfAexA1eOI KE3Kw5S77Eq.L4JTz912lUpECMMhwzXPUDr8YwWWV2C9oAh3Y32YUYmdgAD1 JJ4eHF7dhz6bIB2Bckswy3oTFz0NoEFMWM0nrhTsxD6Fgn4k06okRIj3Ld52 D.uRX.vBSRqwVTbNr0HEul1Ec8NEGgnn7XJnvjANMVPcLZ1yY6ya8RQ7xN8d RNORRxzmXHcaP8AN3WQodfS55ZUtJsCzpuCX19mv1FsjEwTQItZFrg6TYZTH 6TTAMKjoAMSg.5D40PjHsxqwWHYDG58Hb0rcHcKCgoB_NAYaJ0iq5 X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.338427 References: <1330724436.4665.YahooMailNeo@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1330725101.15413.YahooMailNeo@web36706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <379B44EC-52C9-4DD7-A886-8A230411CF9B@mac.com> Message-ID: <1330732159.95613.YahooMailNeo@web36705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 15:49:19 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Reply-To: Paul Richards Subject: Re: so long -- and further off topic. To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Cc: bill bigrig In-Reply-To: <379B44EC-52C9-4DD7-A886-8A230411CF9B@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-2114655128-989344749-1330732159=:95613" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 23:49:22 +0000 (UTC) ---2114655128-989344749-1330732159=:95613 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's not a matter of standing up for human rights in China. I would like to= see improved human rights in China & elsewhere but that's not the focus of= the issue of manufacturing in China.=0A=A0=0AThe movement over there happe= ned over a period of time. I had been watching this phenomena as well as th= e other movement of IT jobs offshore by the large computer companies and so= ftware consulting companies.=0A=A0=0AThe thing is, though, that Apple is an= Amrican company. I don't see them moving their headquarters and executives= over to China. They're living in the U.S. In the good old U.S. with it's i= nfrastructure, safety, etc., etc. Not in China with it's crowds, questionab= le sanitary conditions, dubious food quality, etc., etc. =0A=A0=0AThe peopl= e of the U.S. just haven't seen what the extent of the offshoring movement = has been. It's not a central theme on the news. Politicians calm up about i= t mostly as the large corporations put them in office. And, it's not "the u= nions" either. Manufacturing in the union-free south have moved overseas as= well. =0A=A0=0ALook at JC Pennys. Their clothes are manufactured so inexpe= nsively that they can lower their prices across the board and still make mo= ney. This is not a surprise to me. Any goober can take a look at how clothe= s have degraded over the years no matter where they are purchased: i.e. che= ap Chinese, et al products.=0A=A0=0AThe point is that societies can't funct= ion without jobs for regular folk. The U.S is in for a very violent and unh= appy future going forward.=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A Fro= m: Daniel Thomas =0ATo: Paul Richards =0ACc: bill bigrig ; "Loopers-Delight= @loopers-delight.com" =0ASent: Friday= , March 2, 2012 5:21 PM=0ASubject: Re: so long -- and further off topic.=0A= =0A=0AFoxConn was reported to have around 400,000 people building electro= nic junk in China. And there are others. A lot of those jobs were positione= d in the U.S. at one time.=A0=0AHere Here!! =A0bring the jobs back home and= stand up for human rights at the same time! =A0Ah but its really complicat= ed, isn't it.=A0=0AAre walmart crowding Americans prepared to pay for this?= =A0--Its not just an American problem either. =A0 Many rich and poor Euro = countries on the same path. =A0=A0=0A=0A=0ANote that Universal Audio, =A0ve= nerable hand-built audio component builder's product line is now focused on= "American" products that it builds in printed circuit board factories of C= hina. =A0 So are FocusRite, Lexicon and others. =A0Were they not -- they wo= uld all go belly up in a disappearing high end market. =A0=A0=0A=0ASo, Its = a complicated problem where any step winds up upon some poor family's toes.= =A0Not sure we can ever retreat to pre globalization conditions or that we= would want too. =A0But I certainly do think that, in the US at least, we h= ave given our industrial base away-- all while trumpeting the rise of a ser= vice industry in America. =A0WTF? =A0We all gonna become bell hops? =A0The = call=A0center service industry jobs are mostly going to Bangalore-- the bes= t hotels are their too. =A0=0A"Son, if you want to be a bell hop like dad..= =A0Learn Mandarin."=A0=0A=0ANo matter what flag we fly-- We've all been so= ld down the river by fat cats. Shame on us. =A0Humanity can do better.=0A= =A0=A0=0AD=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AAnd how about some decent solder in guitar amp = while we are at it.=A0=0A=0ADaniel=A0=0A=0AOn Mar 2, 2012, at 1:51 PM, Paul= Richards wrote:=0A=0AOTOH, the main problem with companies like Apple, HP = and all the rest is they are effectively dismantling the societal system th= at exists in the U.S. so that a few can be enriched in a massive way while = millions become unemployed and/or underemployed. =0A>=A0 =0A>FoxConn was r= eported to have around 400,000 people building electronic junk in China. An= d there are others. A lot of those jobs were positioned in the U.S. at one = time. Of course, I won't mention that the country itself (China) is a Commu= nist police state. So much for the Cold War. And of course, U.S citizens lo= ve of cheap Wal-mart, et al=A0products is enriching a country that is rampi= ng up their military & space capabilities to ultimately challenge U.S. hege= mony (some may think this a good thing). =0A>=A0 =0A>I wonder if there's so= me new direction/force at work in China currently at least as pertaining to= musical products. I know Fender stated they moved the production of the Su= per Champ to Mexico due to their manufacturer getting out of the musical eq= uipment manufacturing business. =0A>=A0 =0A>And, I have two items on back o= rder that keep getting delayed: A Peavey Vypyr Tube amp and a Fernandes gui= tar that have been pushed back to June 2012. Somewhat unusual. =0A>=A0 =0A>= P =0A>=A0 =0A>=A0 =0A>=A0 =0A>=0A> =0A>=0A>________________________________= =0A>From: bill bigrig =0A>To: "Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com" =0A>Sent: Friday, Marc= h 2, 2012 4:40 PM=0A>Subject: Re: so long=0A>=0A>=0A>Very unfortunate, that= incident in China. Many there have it better, many have it worse. We have = practically zero control over how each factory is run by it's owner/manager= . All we can do is pressure the people that work with these factories and h= ope for better. =0A>=0A>=A0Back in the 1800s things weren't any different = in this nation. In the late 19teens, the wobblies, (IWW union) were gunned = down in public with ne'er a charge filed. Their gripe? Better working condi= tions in the logging camps, coal mines, and garment factories. In my state,= (WA), Armisice day 1919, the American Legion had a parade in the town wher= e I lived. For the 2nd year in a row, they stopped in front of the wobbly u= nion hall to "reform the ranks". In 1918, they stormed the union hall and d= emolished it. In 1919 when they attempted to do the same, the wobblies defe= nded themselves. 4 Legion guys were killed.=A0Several wobblies but 1=A0wobb= ly ran away. They chased him to a river north of town, and he couldn't get = across. A legionare came into the river after him. He said, "don't come any= closer, I'll shoot". The legionare kept approaching, yelling what they did= to agitators. Sure enough the wobbly , Wesley Everest, shot and killed Mr.= McElfresh. They grabbed him, beat him so=A0badly, that when they got him to jail downtown,= he was unrecognizable. They were going to hang him on the spot, but it was= decided there were too many women and children around. They threw him in j= ail. That night there was an unexplainable power outage at the jail. A mob = showed up. The jailer threw them the keys and ran away. The mob took him fr= om the jail, headed for the Chehalis river bridge, emasculating him on the = way. They hung him not once, but 4 times from the bridge. He was shot full = of bullets. The next morning the police chief ordered him cut down. His bod= y was thrown into the jailhouse with the rest of the jailed wobblies and le= ft lying there for 4 days. =0A>=0A>=A015 wobblies were charged with murder= ing 4 American legion "patriots". The trial was moved to an adjacent county= because of interest in a fair trial. When the jury went into deliberations= , several hundred National Guardsmen pitched camp on the courthouse lawn. T= hey were there to ensure the "correct" verdict was decided. 14 wobblies wen= t to prison for 15 years. =0A>=0A>=A0Up north in Everett that year, some wo= bblies rode a ferry up from Seattle. As the ferry neared the shore, full of= wobblies singing union songs, a couple dozen deputies opened fire. 23 wobb= lies were killed, 3 deputies, 2 from fellow deputies bullets. Those wobblie= s too, did long prison terms. My landlord saw the first incident as a boy. = His house was repeatedly=A0invaded and ransacked by the legion because his = parents had German accents. =0A>=0A>=A0Just a reminder that "this great nat= ion" has a few blemishes on it's history also. Hard-working people wanting = humane working conditions, mowed down by "patriots" working for the interes= ts of the lumber barons. Perhaps someday, the Chinese may undergo this type= of bloody, violent revolution to get better working conditions. Then again= , maybe not. =0A>My $0.02 =0A>Rig=0A>=0A> ---2114655128-989344749-1330732159=:95613 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It's not a= matter of standing up for human rights in China. I would like to see impro= ved human rights in China & elsewhere but that's not the focus of the i= ssue of manufacturing in China.

<= div>The movement over there happened over a period of time. I had bee= n watching this phenomena as well as the other movement of IT jobs offshore= by the large computer companies and software consulting companies.<= /div>

The thing is, though, that Ap= ple is an Amrican company. I don't see them moving their headquarters and e= xecutives over to China. They're living in the U.S. In the good old U.S. wi= th it's infrastructure, safety, etc., etc. Not in China with it's crowds, q= uestionable sanitary conditions, dubious food quality, etc., etc.

The people of the U.= S. just haven't seen what the extent of the offshoring movement has been. I= t's not a central theme on the news. Politicians calm up about it mostly as= the large corporations put them in office. And, it's not "the unions" eith= er. Manufacturing in the union-free south have moved overseas as well.

Look at JC Pennys. Their = clothes are manufactured so inexpensively that they can lower their prices = across the board and still make money. This is not a surprise to me. Any go= ober can take a look at how clothes have degraded over the years no matter = where they are purchased: i.e. cheap Chinese, et al products.

<= div>

The point is that societies can't f= unction without jobs for regular folk. The U.S is in for a very violent and= unhappy future going forward.

From: Daniel Thomas <danielthomas4@mac.com>
To: Paul Richards <paulrichard= _rocks@yahoo.com>
Cc: bill bigrig <billbigrig@yahoo.com>; "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delig= ht.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 5:21 PM
<= span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject: Re: so long -- and fu= rther off topic.

=0A
FoxCon= n was reported to have around 400,000 people building electronic junk in Ch= ina. And there are others. A lot of those jobs were positioned in the U.S. = at one time.

Here Here!! bring the jobs back home and stand up for human rights = at the same time! Ah but its really complicated, isn't it.
= Are walmart crowding Americans prepared to pay for this? --Its not ju= st an American problem either. Many rich and poor Euro countries on = the same path.

Note that Universal Aud= io, venerable hand-built audio component builder's product line is no= w focused on "American" products that it builds in printed circuit board fa= ctories of China. So are FocusRite, Lexicon and others. Were they not -- they w= ould all go belly up in a disappearing high end market.
So, Its a complicated problem where any step winds up upon som= e poor family's toes. Not sure we can ever retreat to pre globalizati= on conditions or that we would want too. But I certainly do think tha= t, in the US at least, we have given our industrial base away-- all while t= rumpeting the rise of a service industry in America. WTF? We al= l gonna become bell hops? The call center service industry jobs = are mostly going to Bangalore-- the best hotels are their too.
=
"Son, if you want to be a bell hop like dad.. Learn Mandarin."&n= bsp;

No matter what flag we fly-- We've all been s= old down the river by fat cats. Shame on us. Humanity can do better.

D

<= br>

And how about some decent solder in guitar= amp while we are at it.

Daniel
On Mar 2, 2012, at 1:51 PM, Paul Richards wrote:

OTOH, the main problem with= companies like Apple, HP and all the rest is they are effectively dismantl= ing the societal system that exists in the U.S. so that a few can be enrich= ed in a massive way while millions become unemployed and/or underemployed. =
=0A

=0A
FoxConn was rep= orted to have around 400,000 people building electronic junk in China. And = there are others. A lot of those jobs were positioned in the U.S. at one ti= me. Of course, I won't mention that the country itself (China) is a Communi= st police state. So much for the Cold War. And of course, U.S citizens love= of cheap Wal-mart, et al products is enriching a country that is ramp= ing up their military & space capabilities to ultimately challenge U.S.= hegemony (some may think this a good thing).
=0A

=0A
I wonder if there's some new direction/force = at work in China currently at least as pertaining to musical products. I kn= ow Fender stated they moved the production of the Super Champ to Mexico due= to their manufacturer getting out of the musical equipment manufacturing b= usiness.
=0A

=0A
And, I = have two items on back order that keep getting delayed: A Peavey Vypyr Tube= amp and a Fernandes guitar that have been pushed back to June 2012. Somewh= at unusual.
=0A

=0A
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=0A

=0A
=0A

=0A

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From: bill bigrig <billbigrig@yahoo.com>
To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<= /a>" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: so long

=0A
=0A
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=0A
Very unfortunate, that incid= ent in China. Many there have it better, many have it worse. We have practi= cally zero control over how each factory is run by it's owner/manager. All = we can do is pressure the people that work with these factories and hope fo= r better.
=0A

=0A
Back in the 1800s things = weren't any different in this nation. In the late 19teens, the wobblies, (I= WW union) were gunned down in public with ne'er a charge filed. Their gripe= ? Better working conditions in the logging camps, coal mines, and garment f= actories. In my state, (WA), Armisice day 1919, the American Legion had a p= arade in the town where I lived. For the 2nd year in a row, they stopped in= front of the wobbly union hall to "reform the ranks". In 1918, they storme= d the union hall and demolished it. In 1919 when they attempted to do the s= ame, the wobblies defended themselves. 4 Legion guys were killed. Seve= ral wobblies but 1 wobbly ran away. They chased him to a river north o= f town, and he couldn't get across. A legionare came into the river after h= im. He said, "don't come any closer, I'll shoot". The legionare kept approa= ching, yelling what they did to agitators. Sure enough the wobbly , Wesley = Everest, shot and killed Mr.=0A McElfresh. They grabbed him, beat him so&nb= sp;badly, that when they got him to jail downtown, he was unrecognizable. T= hey were going to hang him on the spot, but it was decided there were too m= any women and children around. They threw him in jail. That night there was= an unexplainable power outage at the jail. A mob showed up. The jailer thr= ew them the keys and ran away. The mob took him from the jail, headed for t= he Chehalis river bridge, emasculating him on the way. They hung him not on= ce, but 4 times from the bridge. He was shot full of bullets. The next morn= ing the police chief ordered him cut down. His body was thrown into the jai= lhouse with the rest of the jailed wobblies and left lying there for 4 days= .
=0A

=0A
15 wobblies were charged with mur= dering 4 American legion "patriots". The trial was moved to an adjacent cou= nty because of interest in a fair trial. When the jury went into deliberati= ons, several hundred National Guardsmen pitched camp on the courthouse lawn= . They were there to ensure the "correct" verdict was decided. 14 wobblies = went to prison for 15 years.
=0A

=0A
Up nort= h in Everett that year, some wobblies rode a ferry up from Seattle. As the = ferry neared the shore, full of wobblies singing union songs, a couple doze= n deputies opened fire. 23 wobblies were killed, 3 deputies, 2 from fellow = deputies bullets. Those wobblies too, did long prison terms. My landlord sa= w the first incident as a boy. His house was repeatedly invaded and ra= nsacked by the legion because his parents had German accents.
=0A
=
=0A
Just a reminder that "this great nation" has a fe= w blemishes on it's history also. Hard-working people wanting humane workin= g conditions, mowed down by "patriots" working for the interests of the lum= ber barons. Perhaps someday, the Chinese may undergo this type of bloody, v= iolent revolution to get better working conditions. Then again, maybe not.<= var id=3D"yiv822478502yui-ie-cursor">
=0A
My $0.02
=0A<= div>Rig

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you have 3 options.
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1. do it. grab camera take photos photos photos... and continue to dis= semble...=A0
2. clean what to can see... get pure alcohol from ch= emist... and Qtips ans see what yo can do by poking

3. take to expert

I'd go for 2 then re- e= valuate the situation...

Sent from my (advertisement removed)
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On 3 Mar 2012, at 04:25, kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:

l havent used my Axi= om keyboard since the day i found out. It's partially disassembled righ= t now but the circuit boards have so many screws and non detatchable cables= it feels a little too risky to move further. Not to mention that I know li= ttle to nothing about the inner anatomy of keyboards.

--bcaec554db9e0baa0804ba526b2c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 3 10:21:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFF1E18345E; Sat, 3 Mar 2012 10:21:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 729240561/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.17.42/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.17.42 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvcCADLwUU9YbREq/2dsb2JhbAAMN7M0A4QHAQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBwRiLIYISgyIEmwyNJw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,525,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="729240561" Message-ID: <4F51F090.6000007@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2012 10:21:04 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller(fcb1010 question) References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <36EFCE7D-2601-4369-90C6-3ADB078B57AC@gmail.com> <4F4E6FA3.6060209@tiscali.co.uk> <4F4FDCCC.4000007@tiscali.co.uk> <4F510DF1.8010104@tiscali.co.uk> <4F511AE2.3020701@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 10:21:21 +0000 (UTC) Ricky Graham wrote: > yes, sounds like that might work! I don't remember what the fcb1010 sends however, ...and I'm sure that will a question which will become urgent for someone in the not to distant future. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 3 10:35:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D37EC183462; Sat, 3 Mar 2012 10:35:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 738778600/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.17.42/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.17.42 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvcCALnzUU9YbREq/2dsb2JhbAAMN7M2A4QHAQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBwR6LIYISgyIEmwyNJw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,525,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="738778600" Message-ID: <4F51F3E6.2040703@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2012 10:35:18 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Keep your sets interesting - reprise References: <4F5110EF.40203@tiscali.co.uk> <4F513E1F.70906@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4F513E1F.70906@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 10:35:19 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker wrote: > On 3/2/12 10:26 AM, andy butler wrote: >> Petri Lahtinen wrote: >> >>> 40 minutes of drum solo is quite a challenge, what do you think ;-) >> >> to listen? > Actually, this video has a few takes in it. yep, and the bare hands section is kind of impressive. I have to admit I didn't stick the full 40mins, ( the bad sync didn't help) but Baron has always been a favourite for the stuff he played in "Miniature" with Tim Berne. I figure you know about this, but he had a really nice way of combining electro-sounds with his playing, and some very effective use of long reverb. ..and a great groove too andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 3 16:48:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB02918345E; Sat, 3 Mar 2012 16:48:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.180.24.7 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.180.24.7; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.180.24.7 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=k3zz21@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=k3zz21@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=hgw2FGPHqEPk/hBYnPkGQWCXVqE9hmNLwKD7FIVoMwA=; b=kNGYmj1uS8mkbrU/f+Cask/AS2D/3FdWDeNmELb1HtRAzGsTEnJhTvANvsVN5GuGLn M0Ojgzi9geMjaVHwj4YNqMZx4seUNiDPjdJRJLl8/gy9N5DW37D82WsPO0jDfEnyyB0s OMxMMb0zikm3S8xGNn7JtoxcHUjFdgjv7nYYUFTcon/Qs25qlKzNEycl58astd3rZwDe Wu/kGwn8bz+0D0pfyWhC5ug1db/jMxSxMcSxDNquARqEVsqvBkH3pjiCfX57HRdc4BA7 uoDTEH0ZLG3GF0SHo27WfgMv1sgXGCGXWiopF4ha0P7+4IFV5cOTZxHavG8Rc8kn0wRY ITyQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <-5920747852780507201@unknownmsgid> References: <-5920747852780507201@unknownmsgid> Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 08:48:39 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Follow up of "Dog Peed On My Keyboard" From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043892ab142c9904ba597790 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 16:48:40 +0000 (UTC) --f46d043892ab142c9904ba597790 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Do pitch bend wheels normally have a sort of greese/lube in them? On Mar 3, 2012 12:24 AM, "mark francombe" wrote: > you have 3 options. > 1. do it. grab camera take photos photos photos... and continue to > dissemble... > 2. clean what to can see... get pure alcohol from chemist... and Qtips ans > see what yo can do by poking > 3. take to expert > > I'd go for 2 then re- evaluate the situation... > > Sent from my (advertisement removed) > > On 3 Mar 2012, at 04:25, kay'lon rushing wrote: > > l havent used my Axiom keyboard since the day i found out. It's partially > disassembled right now but the circuit boards have so many screws and non > detatchable cables it feels a little too risky to move further. Not to > mention that I know little to nothing about the inner anatomy of keyboards. > > --f46d043892ab142c9904ba597790 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Do pitch bend wheels normally have a sort of greese/lube in them?

On Mar 3, 2012 12:24 AM, "mark francombe&qu= ot; <markfrancombe@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:

you have 3 options.
1. do it. grab = camera take photos photos photos... and continue to dissemble...=A0
2. clean what to can see... get pure alcohol from chemist... and Qtips a= ns see what yo can do by poking

3. take to expert

I'd go for 2 then re- e= valuate the situation...

Sent from my (advertisement removed)
<= div>
On 3 Mar 2012, at 04:25, kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:

l havent used my Axi= om keyboard since the day i found out. It's partially disassembled righ= t now but the circuit boards have so many screws and non detatchable cables= it feels a little too risky to move further. Not to mention that I know li= ttle to nothing about the inner anatomy of keyboards.

--f46d043892ab142c9904ba597790-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 3 21:55:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3A1718345D; Sat, 3 Mar 2012 21:55:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 21:55:58 UTC Subject: Re: so long -- and further off topic. Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-97-316837274 From: Mark Hamburg In-Reply-To: <1330732159.95613.YahooMailNeo@web36705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 13:49:15 -0800 Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , bill bigrig Message-Id: References: <1330724436.4665.YahooMailNeo@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1330725101.15413.YahooMailNeo@web36706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <379B44EC-52C9-4DD7-A886-8A230411CF9B@mac.com> <1330732159.95613.YahooMailNeo@web36705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Paul Richards X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <9df9zD.A.syE.uNpUPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 21:55:58 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-97-316837274 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Worth a read... = http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/business/apple-america-and-a-squeezed-mi= ddle-class.html On Mar 2, 2012, at 3:49 PM, Paul Richards wrote: > It's not a matter of standing up for human rights in China. I would = like to see improved human rights in China & elsewhere but that's not = the focus of the issue of manufacturing in China. > =20 > The movement over there happened over a period of time. I had been = watching this phenomena as well as the other movement of IT jobs = offshore by the large computer companies and software consulting = companies. > =20 > The thing is, though, that Apple is an Amrican company. I don't see = them moving their headquarters and executives over to China. They're = living in the U.S. In the good old U.S. with it's infrastructure, = safety, etc., etc. Not in China with it's crowds, questionable sanitary = conditions, dubious food quality, etc., etc. > =20 > The people of the U.S. just haven't seen what the extent of the = offshoring movement has been. It's not a central theme on the news. = Politicians calm up about it mostly as the large corporations put them = in office. And, it's not "the unions" either. Manufacturing in the = union-free south have moved overseas as well. > =20 > Look at JC Pennys. Their clothes are manufactured so inexpensively = that they can lower their prices across the board and still make money. = This is not a surprise to me. Any goober can take a look at how clothes = have degraded over the years no matter where they are purchased: i.e. = cheap Chinese, et al products. > =20 > The point is that societies can't function without jobs for regular = folk. The U.S is in for a very violent and unhappy future going forward. >=20 > From: Daniel Thomas > To: Paul Richards =20 > Cc: bill bigrig ; = "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" = =20 > Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 5:21 PM > Subject: Re: so long -- and further off topic. >=20 >> FoxConn was reported to have around 400,000 people building = electronic junk in China. And there are others. A lot of those jobs were = positioned in the U.S. at one time.=20 >=20 >=20 > Here Here!! bring the jobs back home and stand up for human rights at = the same time! Ah but its really complicated, isn't it.=20 > Are walmart crowding Americans prepared to pay for this? --Its not = just an American problem either. Many rich and poor Euro countries on = the same path. =20 >=20 > Note that Universal Audio, venerable hand-built audio component = builder's product line is now focused on "American" products that it = builds in printed circuit board factories of China. So are FocusRite, = Lexicon and others. Were they not -- they would all go belly up in a = disappearing high end market. =20 >=20 > So, Its a complicated problem where any step winds up upon some poor = family's toes. Not sure we can ever retreat to pre globalization = conditions or that we would want too. But I certainly do think that, in = the US at least, we have given our industrial base away-- all while = trumpeting the rise of a service industry in America. WTF? We all = gonna become bell hops? The call center service industry jobs are = mostly going to Bangalore-- the best hotels are their too. =20 > "Son, if you want to be a bell hop like dad.. Learn Mandarin."=20 >=20 > No matter what flag we fly-- We've all been sold down the river by fat = cats. Shame on us. Humanity can do better. > =20 > D >=20 >=20 >=20 > And how about some decent solder in guitar amp while we are at it.=20 >=20 > Daniel=20 > On Mar 2, 2012, at 1:51 PM, Paul Richards wrote: >=20 >> OTOH, the main problem with companies like Apple, HP and all the rest = is they are effectively dismantling the societal system that exists in = the U.S. so that a few can be enriched in a massive way while millions = become unemployed and/or underemployed. >> =20 >> FoxConn was reported to have around 400,000 people building = electronic junk in China. And there are others. A lot of those jobs were = positioned in the U.S. at one time. Of course, I won't mention that the = country itself (China) is a Communist police state. So much for the Cold = War. And of course, U.S citizens love of cheap Wal-mart, et al products = is enriching a country that is ramping up their military & space = capabilities to ultimately challenge U.S. hegemony (some may think this = a good thing). >> =20 >> I wonder if there's some new direction/force at work in China = currently at least as pertaining to musical products. I know Fender = stated they moved the production of the Super Champ to Mexico due to = their manufacturer getting out of the musical equipment manufacturing = business. >> =20 >> And, I have two items on back order that keep getting delayed: A = Peavey Vypyr Tube amp and a Fernandes guitar that have been pushed back = to June 2012. Somewhat unusual. >> =20 >> P >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >>=20 >> From: bill bigrig >> To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" = =20 >> Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 4:40 PM >> Subject: Re: so long >>=20 >> Very unfortunate, that incident in China. Many there have it better, = many have it worse. We have practically zero control over how each = factory is run by it's owner/manager. All we can do is pressure the = people that work with these factories and hope for better. >> =20 >> Back in the 1800s things weren't any different in this nation. In = the late 19teens, the wobblies, (IWW union) were gunned down in public = with ne'er a charge filed. Their gripe? Better working conditions in the = logging camps, coal mines, and garment factories. In my state, (WA), = Armisice day 1919, the American Legion had a parade in the town where I = lived. For the 2nd year in a row, they stopped in front of the wobbly = union hall to "reform the ranks". In 1918, they stormed the union hall = and demolished it. In 1919 when they attempted to do the same, the = wobblies defended themselves. 4 Legion guys were killed. Several = wobblies but 1 wobbly ran away. They chased him to a river north of = town, and he couldn't get across. A legionare came into the river after = him. He said, "don't come any closer, I'll shoot". The legionare kept = approaching, yelling what they did to agitators. Sure enough the wobbly = , Wesley Everest, shot and killed Mr. McElfresh. They grabbed him, beat = him so badly, that when they got him to jail downtown, he was = unrecognizable. They were going to hang him on the spot, but it was = decided there were too many women and children around. They threw him in = jail. That night there was an unexplainable power outage at the jail. A = mob showed up. The jailer threw them the keys and ran away. The mob took = him from the jail, headed for the Chehalis river bridge, emasculating = him on the way. They hung him not once, but 4 times from the bridge. He = was shot full of bullets. The next morning the police chief ordered him = cut down. His body was thrown into the jailhouse with the rest of the = jailed wobblies and left lying there for 4 days. >> =20 >> 15 wobblies were charged with murdering 4 American legion = "patriots". The trial was moved to an adjacent county because of = interest in a fair trial. When the jury went into deliberations, several = hundred National Guardsmen pitched camp on the courthouse lawn. They = were there to ensure the "correct" verdict was decided. 14 wobblies went = to prison for 15 years. >> =20 >> Up north in Everett that year, some wobblies rode a ferry up from = Seattle. As the ferry neared the shore, full of wobblies singing union = songs, a couple dozen deputies opened fire. 23 wobblies were killed, 3 = deputies, 2 from fellow deputies bullets. Those wobblies too, did long = prison terms. My landlord saw the first incident as a boy. His house was = repeatedly invaded and ransacked by the legion because his parents had = German accents. >> =20 >> Just a reminder that "this great nation" has a few blemishes on it's = history also. Hard-working people wanting humane working conditions, = mowed down by "patriots" working for the interests of the lumber barons. = Perhaps someday, the Chinese may undergo this type of bloody, violent = revolution to get better working conditions. Then again, maybe not. >> My $0.02 >> Rig >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-97-316837274 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Worth = a read...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/business/apple-= america-and-a-squeezed-middle-class.html

On = Mar 2, 2012, at 3:49 PM, Paul Richards wrote:

It's not a matter of = standing up for human rights in China. I would like to see improved = human rights in China & elsewhere but that's not the focus of the = issue of manufacturing in = China.

The movement = over there happened over a period of time. I had been watching this = phenomena as well as the other movement of IT jobs offshore by the large = computer companies and software consulting = companies.

The = thing is, though, that Apple is an Amrican company. I don't see them = moving their headquarters and executives over to China. They're living = in the U.S. In the good old U.S. with it's infrastructure, safety, etc., = etc. Not in China with it's crowds, questionable sanitary conditions, = dubious food quality, etc., etc.

The people of the = U.S. just haven't seen what the extent of the offshoring movement has = been. It's not a central theme on the news. Politicians calm up about it = mostly as the large corporations put them in office. And, it's not "the = unions" either. Manufacturing in the union-free south have moved = overseas as well. =

Look at JC Pennys. = Their clothes are manufactured so inexpensively that they can lower = their prices across the board and still make money. This is not a = surprise to me. Any goober can take a look at how clothes have degraded = over the years no matter where they are purchased: i.e. cheap Chinese, = et al products.

The = point is that societies can't function without jobs for regular folk. = The U.S is in for a very violent and unhappy future going = forward.

=
From: Daniel Thomas <danielthomas4@mac.com>
= To: Paul Richards = <paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com>
Cc: bill = bigrig <billbigrig@yahoo.com>; "Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com>
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: so long -- and = further off topic.

FoxConn was = reported to have around 400,000 people building electronic junk in = China. And there are others. A lot of those jobs were positioned in the = U.S. at one = time.

Here= Here!! bring the jobs back home and stand up for human rights at = the same time! Ah but its really complicated, isn't = it.
Are walmart crowding Americans prepared to pay for this? = --Its not just an American problem either. Many rich and = poor Euro countries on the same path. =

Note that Universal Audio, = venerable hand-built audio component builder's product line is now = focused on "American" products that it builds in printed circuit board = factories of China. So are FocusRite, Lexicon and others. Were they not -- = they would all go belly up in a disappearing high end market. =

So, Its a complicated problem where any = step winds up upon some poor family's toes. Not sure we can ever = retreat to pre globalization conditions or that we would want too. = But I certainly do think that, in the US at least, we have given = our industrial base away-- all while trumpeting the rise of a service = industry in America. WTF? We all gonna become bell hops? = The call center service industry jobs are mostly going to = Bangalore-- the best hotels are their too.
"Son, if you = want to be a bell hop like dad.. Learn = Mandarin."

No matter what flag we fly-- = We've all been sold down the river by fat cats. Shame on us. = Humanity can do = better.

D

<= br>

And how about some decent solder in = guitar amp while we are at = it.

Daniel
On Mar 2, = 2012, at 1:51 PM, Paul Richards wrote:

OTOH, the main problem with companies like Apple, HP = and all the rest is they are effectively dismantling the societal system = that exists in the U.S. so that a few can be enriched in a massive way = while millions become unemployed and/or underemployed.

FoxConn was reported to have around 400,000 people building = electronic junk in China. And there are others. A lot of those jobs were = positioned in the U.S. at one time. Of course, I won't mention that the = country itself (China) is a Communist police state. So much for the Cold = War. And of course, U.S citizens love of cheap Wal-mart, et = al products is enriching a country that is ramping up their = military & space capabilities to ultimately challenge U.S. hegemony = (some may think this a good thing).

I wonder if there's some new direction/force at work in China = currently at least as pertaining to musical products. I know Fender = stated they moved the production of the Super Champ to Mexico due to = their manufacturer getting out of the musical equipment manufacturing = business.

And, I have two items on back order that keep getting = delayed: A Peavey Vypyr Tube amp and a Fernandes guitar that have been = pushed back to June 2012. Somewhat unusual.

P

From: bill bigrig <billbigrig@yahoo.com>
To: "Loopers-Delight@loo= pers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loo= pers-delight.com>
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: so = long

Very unfortunate, that incident in China. Many there have it = better, many have it worse. We have practically zero control over how = each factory is run by it's owner/manager. All we can do is pressure the = people that work with these factories and hope for better.

Back in the 1800s things weren't any different in this = nation. In the late 19teens, the wobblies, (IWW union) were gunned down = in public with ne'er a charge filed. Their gripe? Better working = conditions in the logging camps, coal mines, and garment factories. In = my state, (WA), Armisice day 1919, the American Legion had a parade in = the town where I lived. For the 2nd year in a row, they stopped in front = of the wobbly union hall to "reform the ranks". In 1918, they stormed = the union hall and demolished it. In 1919 when they attempted to do the = same, the wobblies defended themselves. 4 Legion guys were = killed. Several wobblies but 1 wobbly ran away. They chased = him to a river north of town, and he couldn't get across. A legionare = came into the river after him. He said, "don't come any closer, I'll = shoot". The legionare kept approaching, yelling what they did to = agitators. Sure enough the wobbly , Wesley Everest, shot and killed Mr. McElfresh. They grabbed him, beat him so badly, that when they got = him to jail downtown, he was unrecognizable. They were going to hang him = on the spot, but it was decided there were too many women and children = around. They threw him in jail. That night there was an unexplainable = power outage at the jail. A mob showed up. The jailer threw them the = keys and ran away. The mob took him from the jail, headed for the = Chehalis river bridge, emasculating him on the way. They hung him not = once, but 4 times from the bridge. He was shot full of bullets. The next = morning the police chief ordered him cut down. His body was thrown into = the jailhouse with the rest of the jailed wobblies and left lying there = for 4 days.

15 wobblies were charged with murdering 4 American legion = "patriots". The trial was moved to an adjacent county because of = interest in a fair trial. When the jury went into deliberations, several = hundred National Guardsmen pitched camp on the courthouse lawn. They = were there to ensure the "correct" verdict was decided. 14 wobblies went = to prison for 15 years.

Up north in Everett that year, some wobblies rode a ferry up = from Seattle. As the ferry neared the shore, full of wobblies singing = union songs, a couple dozen deputies opened fire. 23 wobblies were = killed, 3 deputies, 2 from fellow deputies bullets. Those wobblies too, = did long prison terms. My landlord saw the first incident as a boy. His = house was repeatedly invaded and ransacked by the legion because = his parents had German accents.

Just a reminder that "this great nation" has a few blemishes = on it's history also. Hard-working people wanting humane working = conditions, mowed down by "patriots" working for the interests of the = lumber barons. Perhaps someday, the Chinese may undergo this type of = bloody, violent revolution to get better working conditions. Then again, = maybe not.

My $0.02
=
Rig

<= br>

=

= --Apple-Mail-97-316837274-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 3 22:16:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FD0C18345A; Sat, 3 Mar 2012 22:16:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_5T0wGlSOkE03VxFgYqrshQ)" X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7498,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-03-03_07:2012-03-02,2012-03-03,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=4 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1203030249 Subject: Re: so long -- and further off topic. From: Daniel Thomas In-reply-to: Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2012 14:16:15 -0800 Cc: Paul Richards , bill bigrig Message-id: References: <1330724436.4665.YahooMailNeo@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1330725101.15413.YahooMailNeo@web36706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <379B44EC-52C9-4DD7-A886-8A230411CF9B@mac.com> <1330732159.95613.YahooMailNeo@web36705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <3BMMJB.A.qEF.0gpUPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 22:16:20 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_5T0wGlSOkE03VxFgYqrshQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable A good read-- thank you: Excerpted from article-- "Apple had redesigned the iPhone=92s screen at the last minute, forcing = an assembly line overhaul. New screens began arriving at the plant near = midnight. A foreman immediately roused 8,000 workers inside the company=92s = dormitories, according to the executive. Each employee was given a = biscuit and a cup of tea, guided to a workstation and within half an = hour started a 12-hour shift fitting glass screens into beveled frames. = Within 96 hours, the plant was producing over 10,000 iPhones a day." = =20 Sounds like Slavery to me. =20 daniel=20 On Mar 3, 2012, at 1:49 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > Worth a read... >=20 > = http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/business/apple-america-and-a-squeezed-mi= ddle-class.html >=20 > On Mar 2, 2012, at 3:49 PM, Paul Richards wrote: >=20 >> It's not a matter of standing up for human rights in China. I would = like to see improved human rights in China & elsewhere but that's not = the focus of the issue of manufacturing in China. >> =20 >> The movement over there happened over a period of time. I had been = watching this phenomena as well as the other movement of IT jobs = offshore by the large computer companies and software consulting = companies. >> =20 >> The thing is, though, that Apple is an Amrican company. I don't see = them moving their headquarters and executives over to China. They're = living in the U.S. In the good old U.S. with it's infrastructure, = safety, etc., etc. Not in China with it's crowds, questionable sanitary = conditions, dubious food quality, etc., etc. >> =20 >> The people of the U.S. just haven't seen what the extent of the = offshoring movement has been. It's not a central theme on the news. = Politicians calm up about it mostly as the large corporations put them = in office. And, it's not "the unions" either. Manufacturing in the = union-free south have moved overseas as well. >> =20 >> Look at JC Pennys. Their clothes are manufactured so inexpensively = that they can lower their prices across the board and still make money. = This is not a surprise to me. Any goober can take a look at how clothes = have degraded over the years no matter where they are purchased: i.e. = cheap Chinese, et al products. >> =20 >> The point is that societies can't function without jobs for regular = folk. The U.S is in for a very violent and unhappy future going forward. >>=20 >> From: Daniel Thomas >> To: Paul Richards =20 >> Cc: bill bigrig ; = "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" = =20 >> Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 5:21 PM >> Subject: Re: so long -- and further off topic. >>=20 >>> FoxConn was reported to have around 400,000 people building = electronic junk in China. And there are others. A lot of those jobs were = positioned in the U.S. at one time.=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Here Here!! bring the jobs back home and stand up for human rights = at the same time! Ah but its really complicated, isn't it.=20 >> Are walmart crowding Americans prepared to pay for this? --Its not = just an American problem either. Many rich and poor Euro countries on = the same path. =20 >>=20 >> Note that Universal Audio, venerable hand-built audio component = builder's product line is now focused on "American" products that it = builds in printed circuit board factories of China. So are FocusRite, = Lexicon and others. Were they not -- they would all go belly up in a = disappearing high end market. =20 >>=20 >> So, Its a complicated problem where any step winds up upon some poor = family's toes. Not sure we can ever retreat to pre globalization = conditions or that we would want too. But I certainly do think that, in = the US at least, we have given our industrial base away-- all while = trumpeting the rise of a service industry in America. WTF? We all = gonna become bell hops? The call center service industry jobs are = mostly going to Bangalore-- the best hotels are their too. =20 >> "Son, if you want to be a bell hop like dad.. Learn Mandarin."=20 >>=20 >> No matter what flag we fly-- We've all been sold down the river by = fat cats. Shame on us. Humanity can do better. >> =20 >> D >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> And how about some decent solder in guitar amp while we are at it.=20 >>=20 >> Daniel=20 >> On Mar 2, 2012, at 1:51 PM, Paul Richards wrote: >>=20 >>> OTOH, the main problem with companies like Apple, HP and all the = rest is they are effectively dismantling the societal system that exists = in the U.S. so that a few can be enriched in a massive way while = millions become unemployed and/or underemployed. >>> =20 >>> FoxConn was reported to have around 400,000 people building = electronic junk in China. And there are others. A lot of those jobs were = positioned in the U.S. at one time. Of course, I won't mention that the = country itself (China) is a Communist police state. So much for the Cold = War. And of course, U.S citizens love of cheap Wal-mart, et al products = is enriching a country that is ramping up their military & space = capabilities to ultimately challenge U.S. hegemony (some may think this = a good thing). >>> =20 >>> I wonder if there's some new direction/force at work in China = currently at least as pertaining to musical products. I know Fender = stated they moved the production of the Super Champ to Mexico due to = their manufacturer getting out of the musical equipment manufacturing = business. >>> =20 >>> And, I have two items on back order that keep getting delayed: A = Peavey Vypyr Tube amp and a Fernandes guitar that have been pushed back = to June 2012. Somewhat unusual. >>> =20 >>> P >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> From: bill bigrig >>> To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" = =20 >>> Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 4:40 PM >>> Subject: Re: so long >>>=20 >>> Very unfortunate, that incident in China. Many there have it better, = many have it worse. We have practically zero control over how each = factory is run by it's owner/manager. All we can do is pressure the = people that work with these factories and hope for better. >>> =20 >>> Back in the 1800s things weren't any different in this nation. In = the late 19teens, the wobblies, (IWW union) were gunned down in public = with ne'er a charge filed. Their gripe? Better working conditions in the = logging camps, coal mines, and garment factories. In my state, (WA), = Armisice day 1919, the American Legion had a parade in the town where I = lived. For the 2nd year in a row, they stopped in front of the wobbly = union hall to "reform the ranks". In 1918, they stormed the union hall = and demolished it. In 1919 when they attempted to do the same, the = wobblies defended themselves. 4 Legion guys were killed. Several = wobblies but 1 wobbly ran away. They chased him to a river north of = town, and he couldn't get across. A legionare came into the river after = him. He said, "don't come any closer, I'll shoot". The legionare kept = approaching, yelling what they did to agitators. Sure enough the wobbly = , Wesley Everest, shot and killed Mr. McElfresh. They grabbed him, beat = him so badly, that when they got him to jail downtown, he was = unrecognizable. They were going to hang him on the spot, but it was = decided there were too many women and children around. They threw him in = jail. That night there was an unexplainable power outage at the jail. A = mob showed up. The jailer threw them the keys and ran away. The mob took = him from the jail, headed for the Chehalis river bridge, emasculating = him on the way. They hung him not once, but 4 times from the bridge. He = was shot full of bullets. The next morning the police chief ordered him = cut down. His body was thrown into the jailhouse with the rest of the = jailed wobblies and left lying there for 4 days. >>> =20 >>> 15 wobblies were charged with murdering 4 American legion = "patriots". The trial was moved to an adjacent county because of = interest in a fair trial. When the jury went into deliberations, several = hundred National Guardsmen pitched camp on the courthouse lawn. They = were there to ensure the "correct" verdict was decided. 14 wobblies went = to prison for 15 years. >>> =20 >>> Up north in Everett that year, some wobblies rode a ferry up from = Seattle. As the ferry neared the shore, full of wobblies singing union = songs, a couple dozen deputies opened fire. 23 wobblies were killed, 3 = deputies, 2 from fellow deputies bullets. Those wobblies too, did long = prison terms. My landlord saw the first incident as a boy. His house was = repeatedly invaded and ransacked by the legion because his parents had = German accents. >>> =20 >>> Just a reminder that "this great nation" has a few blemishes on = it's history also. Hard-working people wanting humane working = conditions, mowed down by "patriots" working for the interests of the = lumber barons. Perhaps someday, the Chinese may undergo this type of = bloody, violent revolution to get better working conditions. Then again, = maybe not. >>> My $0.02 >>> Rig >>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 --Boundary_(ID_5T0wGlSOkE03VxFgYqrshQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
A foreman immediately roused 8,000 workers inside the company=92s=20 dormitories, according to the executive. Each employee was given a=20 biscuit and a cup of tea, guided to a workstation and within half an=20 hour started a 12-hour shift fitting glass screens into beveled frames.=20= Within 96 hours, the plant was producing over 10,000 iPhones a day." =

Sounds like Slavery to = me.

Worth a = read...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/business/apple-= america-and-a-squeezed-middle-class.html

On = Mar 2, 2012, at 3:49 PM, Paul Richards wrote:

It's not a matter of = standing up for human rights in China. I would like to see improved = human rights in China & elsewhere but that's not the focus of the = issue of manufacturing in = China.

The movement = over there happened over a period of time. I had been watching this = phenomena as well as the other movement of IT jobs offshore by the large = computer companies and software consulting = companies.

The = thing is, though, that Apple is an Amrican company. I don't see them = moving their headquarters and executives over to China. They're living = in the U.S. In the good old U.S. with it's infrastructure, safety, etc., = etc. Not in China with it's crowds, questionable sanitary conditions, = dubious food quality, etc., etc.

The people of the = U.S. just haven't seen what the extent of the offshoring movement has = been. It's not a central theme on the news. Politicians calm up about it = mostly as the large corporations put them in office. And, it's not "the = unions" either. Manufacturing in the union-free south have moved = overseas as well. =

Look at JC Pennys. = Their clothes are manufactured so inexpensively that they can lower = their prices across the board and still make money. This is not a = surprise to me. Any goober can take a look at how clothes have degraded = over the years no matter where they are purchased: i.e. cheap Chinese, = et al products.

The = point is that societies can't function without jobs for regular folk. = The U.S is in for a very violent and unhappy future going = forward.

=
From: Daniel Thomas <danielthomas4@mac.com>
= To: Paul Richards = <paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com>
Cc: bill = bigrig <billbigrig@yahoo.com>; "Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com>
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: so long -- and = further off topic.

FoxConn was = reported to have around 400,000 people building electronic junk in = China. And there are others. A lot of those jobs were positioned in the = U.S. at one = time.

Here= Here!! bring the jobs back home and stand up for human rights at = the same time! Ah but its really complicated, isn't = it.
Are walmart crowding Americans prepared to pay for this? = --Its not just an American problem either. Many rich and = poor Euro countries on the same path. =

Note that Universal Audio, = venerable hand-built audio component builder's product line is now = focused on "American" products that it builds in printed circuit board = factories of China. So are FocusRite, Lexicon and others. Were they not -- = they would all go belly up in a disappearing high end market. =

So, Its a complicated problem where any = step winds up upon some poor family's toes. Not sure we can ever = retreat to pre globalization conditions or that we would want too. = But I certainly do think that, in the US at least, we have given = our industrial base away-- all while trumpeting the rise of a service = industry in America. WTF? We all gonna become bell hops? = The call center service industry jobs are mostly going to = Bangalore-- the best hotels are their too.
"Son, if you = want to be a bell hop like dad.. Learn = Mandarin."

No matter what flag we fly-- = We've all been sold down the river by fat cats. Shame on us. = Humanity can do = better.

D

<= br>

And how about some decent solder in = guitar amp while we are at = it.

Daniel
On Mar 2, = 2012, at 1:51 PM, Paul Richards wrote:

OTOH, the main problem with companies like Apple, HP = and all the rest is they are effectively dismantling the societal system = that exists in the U.S. so that a few can be enriched in a massive way = while millions become unemployed and/or underemployed.

FoxConn was reported to have around 400,000 people building = electronic junk in China. And there are others. A lot of those jobs were = positioned in the U.S. at one time. Of course, I won't mention that the = country itself (China) is a Communist police state. So much for the Cold = War. And of course, U.S citizens love of cheap Wal-mart, et = al products is enriching a country that is ramping up their = military & space capabilities to ultimately challenge U.S. hegemony = (some may think this a good thing).

I wonder if there's some new direction/force at work in China = currently at least as pertaining to musical products. I know Fender = stated they moved the production of the Super Champ to Mexico due to = their manufacturer getting out of the musical equipment manufacturing = business.

And, I have two items on back order that keep getting = delayed: A Peavey Vypyr Tube amp and a Fernandes guitar that have been = pushed back to June 2012. Somewhat unusual.

P

From: bill bigrig <billbigrig@yahoo.com>
To: "Loopers-Delight@loo= pers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loo= pers-delight.com>
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: so = long

Very unfortunate, that incident in China. Many there have it = better, many have it worse. We have practically zero control over how = each factory is run by it's owner/manager. All we can do is pressure the = people that work with these factories and hope for better.

Back in the 1800s things weren't any different in this = nation. In the late 19teens, the wobblies, (IWW union) were gunned down = in public with ne'er a charge filed. Their gripe? Better working = conditions in the logging camps, coal mines, and garment factories. In = my state, (WA), Armisice day 1919, the American Legion had a parade in = the town where I lived. For the 2nd year in a row, they stopped in front = of the wobbly union hall to "reform the ranks". In 1918, they stormed = the union hall and demolished it. In 1919 when they attempted to do the = same, the wobblies defended themselves. 4 Legion guys were = killed. Several wobblies but 1 wobbly ran away. They chased = him to a river north of town, and he couldn't get across. A legionare = came into the river after him. He said, "don't come any closer, I'll = shoot". The legionare kept approaching, yelling what they did to = agitators. Sure enough the wobbly , Wesley Everest, shot and killed Mr. McElfresh. They grabbed him, beat him so badly, that when they got = him to jail downtown, he was unrecognizable. They were going to hang him = on the spot, but it was decided there were too many women and children = around. They threw him in jail. That night there was an unexplainable = power outage at the jail. A mob showed up. The jailer threw them the = keys and ran away. The mob took him from the jail, headed for the = Chehalis river bridge, emasculating him on the way. They hung him not = once, but 4 times from the bridge. He was shot full of bullets. The next = morning the police chief ordered him cut down. His body was thrown into = the jailhouse with the rest of the jailed wobblies and left lying there = for 4 days.

15 wobblies were charged with murdering 4 American legion = "patriots". The trial was moved to an adjacent county because of = interest in a fair trial. When the jury went into deliberations, several = hundred National Guardsmen pitched camp on the courthouse lawn. They = were there to ensure the "correct" verdict was decided. 14 wobblies went = to prison for 15 years.

Up north in Everett that year, some wobblies rode a ferry up = from Seattle. As the ferry neared the shore, full of wobblies singing = union songs, a couple dozen deputies opened fire. 23 wobblies were = killed, 3 deputies, 2 from fellow deputies bullets. Those wobblies too, = did long prison terms. My landlord saw the first incident as a boy. His = house was repeatedly invaded and ransacked by the legion because = his parents had German accents.

Just a reminder that "this great nation" has a few blemishes = on it's history also. Hard-working people wanting humane working = conditions, mowed down by "patriots" working for the interests of the = lumber barons. Perhaps someday, the Chinese may undergo this type of = bloody, violent revolution to get better working conditions. Then again, = maybe not.

My $0.02
=
Rig

<= br>

=

= --Boundary_(ID_5T0wGlSOkE03VxFgYqrshQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 3 23:38:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E96FF183463; Sat, 3 Mar 2012 23:38:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of phil.clevenger@gmail.com designates 10.42.162.194 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.42.162.194; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of phil.clevenger@gmail.com designates 10.42.162.194 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=phil.clevenger@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=phil.clevenger@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=ktlpwLHoa3vkeckyph2fbOASLPZBu8D7edCs3kfpnLE=; b=WqLcyGRXmlO729tW5zUwb/pC6uR2XitOgHmY8QryK3a9oTOj31R6MsjdgieNcsYgNw dr8Dj/S6Twmux6Y0Xgpg/H0uW97Yo680wov3zpWcaqG6eZk5N9XLM5+p88TxBsNv+Cc2 LD8HA/T/DBgGrXBmSbduGe1m+Mwg55d0sEhKuEMZ0Q1kzhQwn1BDJV6B9AampaXG152V tcx6Bpo5AU9JAz767KafWr8qIdhwPQJaUkhZIHWZFDOjdNcF6OFoiw5hwTQu44gl94Rl 6VSTuj/k76o0Yo0QGRJjA4aTz0nQzb8V1vtdK1+rVf5n+U4E+fsrxPrW9eS++y7nc4st oZqA== From: Phil Clevenger Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: LP1 in MIDI Sync Mode Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 15:37:57 -0800 Message-Id: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 23:38:09 +0000 (UTC) For Looperlative gurus: When synching LP-1 to external clock, I have been frustrated what I = thought were synch issues. But paying closer attention, I think it may be As Designed: - - - - - In MIDI Sync/Rec mode, the start point of the new loop is precisely when = the Rec button is pressed. It is not quantized to the next sync pulse or = next bar. But it does capture time measured precisely in bars. What this = means is that the start of the loop and the downbeat of beat one are = *not* necessarily the same. And Q-Replace operations will likely not be = in good alignment with the clock pulse or other material slaved to that = clock pulse.=20 But, if one creates an empty loop, and then begins to overdub material = into it, that material will be perfectly synched to the clock pulse, and = to any other material playing to that clock pulse. This also means that = starting and stopping loop in this context is a bad idea; rather, one = must drop that loop in and out using volume change commands instead of = start and stop commands. - - - - Is this picture consistent with your own LP-1 MIDI Synch experiences? Best, Phil :)= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 3 23:40:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0074183453; Sat, 3 Mar 2012 23:40:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 893906.9085.bm@omp1052.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1330818027; bh=TswfZdTkZ7dhKyZiaVnXQ8GDP9iZSG2ToaYT6SGySZA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lMKuzKhxEHNnCLS/nPBYIq3vAvCVTXQ+oMm7AaSiswY7DRHcGh9xdMW56yEOz7I1uePl6PAl1Bd/WqKRbNqK6dcPPRnHaQNwGDakZInC1I6DOgam3K2OGjMWIg0Mq5nUqgl3POtdS+oxNcGvoJsp5hDD4tCQ3AgPta/qnrUozqY= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Q7r9TDgVHu8OeVIedLYuJaKCOBReOG9cPXHS0TdWGCD8oc5Wy+33x4u42P0WvXMEqFNVJ5Jg0fjo0pfgVW0AFk08WERwWu/G5UDQyi0dmurRi5zzd1vquXvYUapBbgAHEjkAldFax1mLDOPc/lfObWKqZuoou7PkQoiJWHyTXTg=; X-YMail-OSG: HvIXpPMVM1licTXZnmrs6dFx5IHc000wrn28pCCUgcdEGjh aMz74HNCvSxBddf9tJrfxhd5EHBKWXoiLKbrhUi5YGKdecI5GKf.hU2caWy0 DcnDLg1ulfptZcOIAiPWno7ofYC.o5pKD2XtMBwctjBxXOgCPjBzk7RZHSO7 iQZKbMsuEWrji6fgvVUT4D4u_3MfUVFKjjxahWHh22Akpq9am41hzYWJkZnv MmsTd7MWjWtvl7cnfMsOXyTeTjrXGZ2ArApijhRcz2NxGgLSzHpYPJPGyOgP 9JDCiWi0pyEHEdeHocrC6n2KkwUrpMx4xTHEzt8dS18kjbLIHimxx7eRrzPD 4NxkYlhIY.Ev4fBhEeGib2yf3lavsjRFGo1VDhh8JqulcjXO8FMg5Iob_g1l jzWBOm6gPdQisin3pv.HP2cjdqe_XEfqafaKAQPEwMyneaJb8YZXnB69cH1Y OnD2fB2oWSJz_Dr_VIWhzsYXaBRVCAPeU9po7Jvda1U945EuXg5iiCu_9k0N AMfjfC7CHMNCNaLOTvNaf7UBdET53GWVZ2LBb2y3V6Q53ozLgSy3qs3rb6dJ mrqYi5UM9LCbz6UxKWpNM7rw19brUtbB6NgH0UKZhgg-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.338427 Message-ID: <1330818027.69954.YahooMailMobile@web36702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 15:40:27 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: so long -- and further off topic. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-2114655128-1708524193-1330818027=:69954" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 23:40:28 +0000 (UTC) ---2114655128-1708524193-1330818027=:69954 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There's actually one or two more similar articles on the New York Times= /International Herald Tribune websites. Check out their sites.=0A=0AWages a= re pretty low there-like $11 USD /day i.e. Foxconn manufacturing. Also, ano= ther article was written by a person who surreptitiously interviewed people= leaving the factories. 14 year olds were not uncommon. =0A=0ASo here we ha= ve the ideal manufacturing environment for US concerns: low wages, poor ben= efits, poor environmental regs, etc., etc. =0A=0AHow about the pollution fr= om all those container ships?=0A=0ASad, very sad. ---2114655128-1708524193-1330818027=:69954 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There's actually one or two more simi= lar articles on the New York Times/International Herald Tribune websites. C= heck out their sites.

Wages are pretty low there-like $11 USD /d= ay i.e. Foxconn manufacturing. Also, another article was written by a perso= n who surreptitiously interviewed people leaving the factories. 14 year old= s were not uncommon.

So here we have the ideal manufacturing en= vironment for US concerns: low wages, poor benefits, poor environmental reg= s, etc., etc.

How about the pollution from all those container = ships?

Sad, very sad.

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A good read-- thank you:

Excerpted from article--
"Apple had redesign= ed the iPhone=E2=80=99s screen at =0Athe last minute, forcing an assembly l= ine overhaul. New screens began =0Aarriving at the plant near midnight.
=0AA foreman immediately roused 8,000 workers inside the company=E2=80= =99s =0Adormitories, according to the executive. Each employee was given a = =0Abiscuit and a cup of tea, guided to a workstation and within half an =0A= hour started a 12-hour shift fitting glass screens into beveled frames. =0A= Within 96 hours, the plant was producing over 10,000 iPhones a day." &= nbsp;
Sounds like Slavery to me. &= nbsp;
daniel

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http://www.nytimes.com/20= 12/01/22/business/apple-america-and-a-squeezed-middle-class.html
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On Mar 2, 2012, at 3:49 PM, Paul Richards wrote:
It's not a matter of st= anding up for human rights in China. I would like to see improved human rig= hts in China & elsewhere but that's not the focus of the issue of m= anufacturing in China.

The movement over there happened over a period of time. I had been watchin= g this phenomena as well as the other movement of IT jobs offshore by the l= arge computer companies and software consulting companies.

The thing is, though, that Apple is an= Amrican company. I don't see them moving their headquarters and execut= ives over to China. They're living in the U.S. In the good old U.S. wit= h it's infrastructure, safety, etc., etc. Not in China with it's cr= owds, questionable sanitary conditions, dubious food quality, etc., etc.=0A

The people o= f the U.S. just haven't seen what the extent of the offshoring movement= has been. It's not a central theme on the news. Politicians calm up ab= out it mostly as the large corporations put them in office. And, it's n= ot "the unions" either. Manufacturing in the union-free south hav= e moved overseas as well.

<= span>Look at JC Pennys. Their clothes are manufactured so inexpensively tha= t they can lower their prices across the board and still make money. This i= s not a surprise to me. Any goober can take a look at how clothes have degr= aded over the years no matter where they are purchased: i.e. cheap Chinese,= et al products.

The p= oint is that societies can't function without jobs for regular folk. Th= e U.S is in for a very violent and unhappy future going forward.

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Cc: bill bigrig <<= a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:billbigrig@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank= " href=3D"javascript:return">billbigrig@yahoo.com>; "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com&q= uot; <Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com>
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Subject: Re: so long -- and further off topic.
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FoxConn was reported t= o have around 400,000 people building electronic junk in China. And there a= re others. A lot of those jobs were positioned in the U.S. at one time.&nbs= p;

Here Here!! &n= bsp;bring the jobs back home and stand up for human rights at the same time= ! Ah but its really complicated, isn't it.
Are walmart = crowding Americans prepared to pay for this? --Its not just an Americ= an problem either. Many rich and poor Euro countries on the same pat= h.

Note that Universal Audio, ve= nerable hand-built audio component builder's product line is now focuse= d on "American" products that it builds in printed circuit board = factories of China.=0A So are FocusRite, Lexicon and others. Were they not= -- they would all go belly up in a disappearing high end market. &nb= sp;

So, Its a complicated problem where any step winds u= p upon some poor family's toes. Not sure we can ever retreat to p= re globalization conditions or that we would want too. But I certainl= y do think that, in the US at least, we have given our industrial base away= -- all while trumpeting the rise of a service industry in America. WT= F? We all gonna become bell hops? The call center service = industry jobs are mostly going to Bangalore-- the best hotels are their too= .
"Son, if you want to be a bell hop like dad.. = ;Learn Mandarin."

No matter what flag w= e fly-- We've all been sold down the river by fat cats. Shame on us. &n= bsp;Humanity can do=0A better.

D

And how about some d= ecent solder in guitar amp while we are at it.

Daniel
On Mar 2, 2012, at 1:51 PM, Paul Richards wrot= e:

OTOH, the ma= in problem with companies like Apple, HP and all the rest is they are effec= tively dismantling the societal system that exists in the U.S. so that a fe= w can be enriched in a massive way while millions become unemployed and/or = underemployed.
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= FoxConn was reported to have around 400,000 people building electronic junk= in China. And there are others. A lot of those jobs were positioned in the= U.S. at one time. Of course, I won't mention that the country itself (= China) is a Communist police state. So much for the Cold War. And of course= , U.S citizens love of cheap Wal-mart, et al products is enriching a c= ountry that is ramping up their military & space capabilities to ultima= tely challenge U.S. hegemony (some may think this a good thing).=0A

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I wonder if there's so= me new direction/force at work in China currently at least as pertaining to= musical products. I know Fender stated they moved the production of the Su= per Champ to Mexico due to their manufacturer getting out of the musical eq= uipment manufacturing business.
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Very un= fortunate, that incident in China. Many there have it better, many have it = worse. We have practically zero control over how each factory is run by it&= #39;s owner/manager. All we can do is pressure the people that work with th= ese factories and hope for better.
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= Back in the 1800s things weren't any different in this nation. In the l= ate 19teens, the wobblies, (IWW union) were gunned down in public with ne&#= 39;er a charge filed. Their gripe? Better working conditions in the logging= camps, coal mines, and garment factories. In my state, (WA), Armisice day = 1919, the American Legion had a parade in the town where I lived. For the 2= nd year in a row, they stopped in front of the wobbly union hall to "r= eform the ranks". In 1918, they stormed the union hall and demolished = it. In 1919 when they attempted to do the same, the wobblies defended thems= elves. 4 Legion guys were killed. Several wobblies but 1 wobbly r= an away. They chased him to a river north of town, and he couldn't get = across. A legionare came into the river after him. He said, "don't= come any closer, I'll shoot". The legionare kept approaching, yel= ling what they did to agitators. Sure enough the wobbly , Wesley Everest, shot and killed Mr.=0A McElfresh. They grabbed him, beat h= im so badly, that when they got him to jail downtown, he was unrecogni= zable. They were going to hang him on the spot, but it was decided there we= re too many women and children around. They threw him in jail. That night t= here was an unexplainable power outage at the jail. A mob showed up. The ja= iler threw them the keys and ran away. The mob took him from the jail, head= ed for the Chehalis river bridge, emasculating him on the way. They hung hi= m not once, but 4 times from the bridge. He was shot full of bullets. The n= ext morning the police chief ordered him cut down. His body was thrown into= the jailhouse with the rest of the jailed wobblies and left lying there fo= r 4 days.
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15 wobblies were charged = with murdering 4 American legion "patriots". The trial was moved = to an adjacent county because of interest in a fair trial. When the jury we= nt into deliberations, several hundred National Guardsmen pitched camp on t= he courthouse lawn. They were there to ensure the "correct" verdi= ct was decided. 14 wobblies went to prison for 15 years.
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Up north in Everett that year, some wobblies rode a fe= rry up from Seattle. As the ferry neared the shore, full of wobblies singin= g union songs, a couple dozen deputies opened fire. 23 wobblies were killed= , 3 deputies, 2 from fellow deputies bullets. Those wobblies too, did long = prison terms. My landlord saw the first incident as a boy. His house was re= peatedly invaded and ransacked by the legion because his parents had G= erman accents.
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Just a reminder that = "this great nation" has a few blemishes on it's history also.= Hard-working people wanting humane working conditions, mowed down by "= ;patriots" working for the interests of the lumber barons. Perhaps som= eday, the Chinese may undergo this type of bloody, violent revolution to ge= t better working conditions. Then again, maybe not.
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=0A ---2114655128-1708524193-1330818027=:69954-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 00:20:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C113A18345E; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 00:20:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of phil.clevenger@gmail.com designates 10.68.239.195 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.68.239.195; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of phil.clevenger@gmail.com designates 10.68.239.195 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=phil.clevenger@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=phil.clevenger@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=NJPt3vcBwPfOEGs8BK3oY4XlhwdtOaAzowRVj3KOQ90=; b=ZjHN+G6LZzb3gFr8pP+8W7+FTyMLV5nz1HxcXyHycrrbpiMb1Vsl4qHoKrc1bv8Xhj QQexJcQeRTuzWQuwkKsdM0EhbmFdyYia1/uVdVEXwkscUFC7jyJgwcGSX1v0bQrZ3/Lk 3emyVwFxp165j6wGlsEqt+ITq7AqSvh+Ho/csn48lXxvkMY5/pk+JU6BDlnlKJs0r1Ss FsAQH0DypbhRd4ylvKgN57q3X5ghpB7ASOpWU997XiSA+1PTHQBl1KNMiQsvYk/Qp+4a EaYnrRmoqtkf96DZHD25mkphIxkqtWgVEX3iKbgpvBvhq4J06+MaVw2ChS8sLBw8ZSJ1 EeVQ== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 16:20:05 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <23528580-7B79-412B-B360-04CDC711A130@gmail.com> References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <36EFCE7D-2601-4369-90C6-3ADB078B57AC@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 00:20:12 +0000 (UTC) Christopher, It was both, plus another hour or two of fiddling about with the LG to = get the commands from there to the plugin. Ricky's template is a self-running demo. Click the 'Play" button in the = clip in the first track. Then look at the piano roll for that clip - = it's an ascending scale, one note per beat. In that track's "MIDI To" = section, it shoudl be routing to "2-Audio" and from there to Echoloop = (which is placed in the 2-Audio track). If it is not that way already, = make it so. So with the clip in Track 1 playing, scoot over to track 2 and open = Echoloop's interface. WIth or without audio, you should see that = Echoloop is going nuts, doing one thing after another, as the first = track sends the notes. Per's advice helped when I got home and wanted to send MIDI commands = from my LG rather than that MIDI clip. I reflexively assumed I needed to = set up the LG as the "MIDI From" source, but Per specified that this = needs to be the audio interface... so when I changed that prefs setup = and the track settings to be listening to my MOTU audio interface, then = stuff started happening :) Finally, I needed to mess around with the commands, and found that Note = On and Note Off for each command seemed to mostly do the job. I am still wrestling with getting loops in Echoloop to synch well with = the Ableton host DAW, for some reason that is still evading me. Plugin = is set for 'HOST" sync but loops still seem to be all over the place. = WIll get it figured out eventually :) Hope that helps Christopher. Phil :) On Mar 2, 2012, at 6:38 AM, Christopher Darrow wrote: >=20 > Was it Ricky's template or Per's explanation or both? In other words, = what'd you do that has it working perfectly now? >=20 > Ricky, might I also get a copy of that template? I'm hoping to make = more time for music next week and would like to check it out.=20 >=20 > Thank you all! (Ricky, Per, Phil, Andy) >=20 >=20 > On Feb 29, 2012, at 2:15 AM, Phil Clevenger wrote: >=20 >> Ricky, Per -=20 >>=20 >> All is well - Echoloop is working as it should, all commands from LG = are heard and everything behaves wonderfully. >>=20 >> Very best, >>=20 >> Phil :) >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Feb 28, 2012, at 12:52 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: >>=20 >>> Ended up grilling it with some vegetables. A good choice. >>>=20 >>> Glad the set works. >>>=20 >>> R >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Phil Clevenger >>> wrote: >>>> Wow - thanks so much Per and Ricky. >>>>=20 >>>> Ricky, your file tests well and perfectly illustrates the solution. = And I >>>> bet your steak was delicious :) Can't wait to get home later and do = the real >>>> work with incoming MIDI from the LG. >>>>=20 >>>> Per... THANK YOU ! Yes there is a reasonable explanation in the = abstract >>>> about MIDI routing in the manual. And in the help, rollover and = panel-bound. >>>> But this kind of application of MIDI command assignment is one I = have not >>>> come across before, so it did not occur to me that this was a = *routing* >>>> issue. I spent easily 8 hours poring over the old EDP assignment = texts, the >>>> updated Echoloop assignment texts, Ableton's assignment texts in = the manual >>>> and helps, searching LD and other internet forums, checking my work = in the >>>> Gordius, engaging in some trial and error in case the manuals were = in any >>>> way erroneous, trying out different MIDI pref settings, and so on. = Was not >>>> at all sure this was an Ableton problem anyway... (meanwhile my = wife keeps >>>> popping in and poking me for 'geeking out,' asking why I don;t just = 'pick up >>>> the guitar and play some freaking songs...lol ) >>>>=20 >>>> SO you see I thought this to be an assignment or compatibility = issue, rather >>>> than a routing issue. I could have spent another eight hours and = still not >>>> found the explanation, because I was looking for the wrong solution = ! >>>>=20 >>>> And in the end, Per, your explanation is so much better than those = in >>>> Ableton... For instance, read the text for the Track/Sync/Remote = prefs in >>>> the rollover help, unless you are a MIDI pro they make little = sense. Your >>>> explanation has helped me to grok that for the first time :D Maybe = you >>>> should write their manuals :) >>>>=20 >>>> So huge thanks to you folks. I am sure there are others who will = also >>>> benefit from this exchange here besides just me. What on earth did = we ever >>>> do before the interweb? >>>>=20 >>>> Phil :D >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Ricky Graham = >>>> wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Sent >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:55 PM, Ricky Graham >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> yep. just frying a steak. i will eat that steak. and then i will = send >>>>>> on the ableton set to both of you. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> r >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Per Boysen = wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Phil Clevenger >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> And Per, regarding this: >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> "Instead you could set up a direct MIDI path into the Echoloop = and >>>>>>>> feed it >>>>>>>> directly from your external MIDI control gear. " >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Not sure what that means but it sounds damned sexy ! Can you = clarify? >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Sorry, I took that for understood, as it is explained quite well = in >>>>>>> the manual that comes with Live and also is included within the >>>>>>> application's GUI (the "Info View" box that can be kept open in = the >>>>>>> lower left corner. Any object you hover the mouse pointer over = will be >>>>>>> explained in that box) >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> There are two ways to pipe external MIDI directly into a plugin = hosted >>>>>>> in Ableton Live. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> 1) Set up the plugin to listen to a MIDI In port. >>>>>>> I'm not sure Echoloop will let you do that, so let's skip that = for this >>>>>>> time. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> 2) Route incoming MIDI by Live's preferences settings and Live's = mixer >>>>>>> into the Plugin. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> MIDI comes in through the MIDI In port. Your MIDI interface's = MIDI >>>>>>> ports will be visible in Live's preferences setting's "MIDI = Sync" tab. >>>>>>> For piping a MIDI In port's data directly to a plugin (but = through a >>>>>>> Track) you need to set this MIDI In port as active for "Track" = (there >>>>>>> are also "Sync" and "Remote"). Then close the preferences window = and >>>>>>> chose a MIDI Track in Live's mixer. In this track's input slot = you >>>>>>> chose the appropriate MIDI In port (if you want you can filter = to pass >>>>>>> only one MIDI channel here). Set the track's Monitor to "In" = (there >>>>>>> are also "Auto" and "Off"). In the "MIDI To" slot select the = MIDI >>>>>>> Track where you have opened the plugin. Now, you may regard it = tricky >>>>>>> with an audio looping plugin hosted on a MIDI Track, how to get = your >>>>>>> audio input into the looper? Well, in Live the usual routing for = that >>>>>>> is to first use an Audio Track to fetch the signal from the = physical >>>>>>> audio input then send that track (by its "Audio To" slot = addressing) >>>>>>> to a Return Track. The good news here is that a Return Track's = output >>>>>>> can send to both Audio and MIDI Track's inputs. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Happy looping! >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Per >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 00:33:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DADE018345B; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 00:33:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rickygrahammusic@gmail.com designates 10.204.148.89 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.204.148.89; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rickygrahammusic@gmail.com designates 10.204.148.89 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rickygrahammusic@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=rickygrahammusic@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6AnHqdmbLT+ZZiRpDg3c+1AGZzGoFS8cCSdpcn8mUXY=; b=Q/pdkrvGAyCG514WxwhoBpjQvJKIKCD2YwaEP4vJ3xP740GMpbAALEmhiJEvsoFiu0 KPq+lnd+pkBrONczF6PveSg7W7hObWXvIlmNZM/vn/iBDoFvkeyjfWUD8ZdhTj7yfNEt HI3mIrXF0FVjE11N+G+LfwfMYRRzOcOVYHKqA0JRmgRVwFX4cr/pzEkKEuMugYFGVyCZ SKzb9aGVO/bQEqupnjNFXpCoUv4n3HPpxK1cKE/1bKd908atQq/23d9KsGBhschsnXVf 6EQFeZE8F+2FSvxKaGUMwxcToLSVkRou7eB/NfjVVteotFM+x8cwo5SxhciYFknk3Zru KdSg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <23528580-7B79-412B-B360-04CDC711A130@gmail.com> References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <36EFCE7D-2601-4369-90C6-3ADB078B57AC@gmail.com> <23528580-7B79-412B-B360-04CDC711A130@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 00:33:07 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 00:33:08 +0000 (UTC) Sync works fine. Select "In Host" and quantize where appropriate. I use cyc= le :) On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > Christopher, > > It was both, plus another hour or two of fiddling about with the LG to ge= t the commands from there to the plugin. > > Ricky's template is a self-running demo. Click the 'Play" button in the c= lip in the first track. Then look at the piano roll for that clip - it's an= ascending scale, one note per beat. In that track's "MIDI To" section, it = shoudl be routing to "2-Audio" and from there to Echoloop (which is placed = in the 2-Audio track). If it is not that way already, make it so. > > So with the clip in Track 1 playing, scoot over to track 2 and open Echol= oop's interface. WIth or without audio, you should see that Echoloop is goi= ng nuts, doing one thing after another, as the first track sends the notes. > > Per's advice helped when I got home and wanted to send MIDI commands from= my LG rather than that MIDI clip. I reflexively assumed I needed to set up= the LG as the "MIDI From" source, but Per specified that this needs to be = the audio interface... so when I changed that prefs setup and the track set= tings to be listening to my MOTU audio interface, then stuff started happen= ing :) > > Finally, I needed to mess around with the commands, and found that Note O= n and Note Off for each command seemed to mostly do the job. > > I am still wrestling with getting loops in Echoloop to synch well with th= e Ableton host DAW, for some reason that is still evading me. Plugin is set= for 'HOST" sync but =A0loops still seem to be all over the place. WIll get= it figured out eventually :) > > Hope that helps Christopher. > > Phil :) > > > On Mar 2, 2012, at 6:38 AM, Christopher Darrow wrote: > >> >> Was it Ricky's template or Per's explanation or both? In other words, wh= at'd you do that has it working perfectly now? >> >> Ricky, might I also get a copy of that template? I'm hoping to make more= time for music next week and would like to check it out. >> >> Thank you all! (Ricky, Per, Phil, Andy) >> >> >> On Feb 29, 2012, at 2:15 AM, Phil Clevenger wrote: >> >>> Ricky, Per - >>> >>> All is well - Echoloop is working as it should, all commands from LG ar= e heard and everything behaves wonderfully. >>> >>> Very best, >>> >>> Phil :) >>> >>> >>> >>> On Feb 28, 2012, at 12:52 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: >>> >>>> Ended up grilling it with some vegetables. A good choice. >>>> >>>> Glad the set works. >>>> >>>> R >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Phil Clevenger >>>> wrote: >>>>> Wow - thanks so much Per and Ricky. >>>>> >>>>> Ricky, your file tests well and perfectly illustrates the solution. A= nd I >>>>> bet your steak was delicious :) Can't wait to get home later and do t= he real >>>>> work with incoming MIDI from the LG. >>>>> >>>>> Per... THANK YOU ! Yes there is a reasonable explanation in the abstr= act >>>>> about MIDI routing in the manual. And in the help, rollover and panel= -bound. >>>>> But this kind of application of MIDI command assignment is one I have= not >>>>> come across before, so it did not occur to me that this was a *routin= g* >>>>> issue. I spent easily 8 hours poring over the old EDP assignment text= s, the >>>>> updated Echoloop assignment texts, Ableton's assignment texts in the = manual >>>>> and helps, searching LD and other internet forums, checking my work i= n the >>>>> Gordius, engaging in some trial and error in case the manuals were in= any >>>>> way erroneous, trying out different MIDI pref settings, and so on. Wa= s not >>>>> at all sure this was an Ableton problem anyway... (meanwhile my wife = keeps >>>>> popping in and poking me for 'geeking out,' asking why I don;t just '= pick up >>>>> the guitar and play some freaking songs...lol ) >>>>> >>>>> SO you see I thought this to be an assignment or compatibility issue,= rather >>>>> than a routing issue. I could have spent another eight hours and stil= l not >>>>> found the explanation, because I was looking for the wrong solution ! >>>>> >>>>> And in the end, Per, your explanation is so much better than those in >>>>> Ableton... For instance, read the text for the Track/Sync/Remote pref= s in >>>>> the rollover help, unless you are a MIDI pro they make little sense. = Your >>>>> explanation has helped me to grok that for the first time :D =A0Maybe= you >>>>> should write their manuals :) >>>>> >>>>> So huge thanks to you folks. I am sure there are others who will also >>>>> benefit from this exchange here besides just me. What on earth did we= ever >>>>> do before the interweb? >>>>> >>>>> Phil :D >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Ricky Graham >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:55 PM, Ricky Graham >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> yep. just frying a steak. i will eat that steak. and then i will se= nd >>>>>>> on the ableton set to both of you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> r >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Per Boysen w= rote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Phil Clevenger >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> And Per, regarding this: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Instead you could set up a direct MIDI path into the Echoloop an= d >>>>>>>>> feed it >>>>>>>>> directly from your external MIDI control gear. " >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Not sure what that means but it sounds damned sexy ! Can you clar= ify? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sorry, I took that for understood, as it is explained quite well i= n >>>>>>>> the manual that comes with Live and also is included within the >>>>>>>> application's GUI (the "Info View" box that can be kept open in th= e >>>>>>>> lower left corner. Any object you hover the mouse pointer over wil= l be >>>>>>>> explained in that box) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There are two ways to pipe external MIDI directly into a plugin ho= sted >>>>>>>> in Ableton Live. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1) Set up the plugin to listen to a MIDI In port. >>>>>>>> I'm not sure Echoloop will let you do that, so let's skip that for= this >>>>>>>> time. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2) Route incoming MIDI by Live's preferences settings and Live's m= ixer >>>>>>>> into the Plugin. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> MIDI comes in through the MIDI In port. Your MIDI interface's MIDI >>>>>>>> ports will be visible in Live's preferences setting's "MIDI Sync" = tab. >>>>>>>> For piping a MIDI In port's data directly to a plugin (but through= a >>>>>>>> Track) you need to set this MIDI In port as active for "Track" (th= ere >>>>>>>> are also "Sync" and "Remote"). Then close the preferences window a= nd >>>>>>>> chose a MIDI Track in Live's mixer. In this track's input slot you >>>>>>>> chose the appropriate MIDI In port (if you want you can filter to = pass >>>>>>>> only one MIDI channel here). Set the track's Monitor to "In" (ther= e >>>>>>>> are also "Auto" and "Off"). In the "MIDI To" slot select the MIDI >>>>>>>> Track where you have opened the plugin. Now, you may regard it tri= cky >>>>>>>> with an audio looping plugin hosted on a MIDI Track, how to get yo= ur >>>>>>>> audio input into the looper? Well, in Live the usual routing for t= hat >>>>>>>> is to first use an Audio Track to fetch the signal from the physic= al >>>>>>>> audio input then send that track (by its "Audio To" slot addressin= g) >>>>>>>> to a Return Track. The good news here is that a Return Track's out= put >>>>>>>> can send to both Audio and MIDI Track's inputs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Happy looping! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Per >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 00:38:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21A55183460; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 00:37:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of phil.clevenger@gmail.com designates 10.50.191.233 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.50.191.233; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of phil.clevenger@gmail.com designates 10.50.191.233 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=phil.clevenger@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=phil.clevenger@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=6vT0UOpxN4rpMR1QleaIDyK+6nmMhmbu1H2Wjpq9FC8=; b=sEjAxwz9PJ7fgPPn4voAFPGEHB8ClnZXgH5JGDYJt+A7Ep5lDXAR4tWUdhwRJzgvdf FfDQLYmupHm1v3sZToPiPjlmImITBHEtpUYnor+5d8e/kUhKee8ekczriGooYop3JVKo RRznc0Fy8taqrbOWEcCC4lBtW5SwdDbLQSwBMy/ndr6q29dnl4B68pNKRlmzD8xaWCni Owb2bf522VBlA7dRGYnK2njC7jmtXtCbXqzoBOTfNx4mrzNWc04LiXtSRCZfmtTPjeok UIEIGL1c6nJGeQwGrSpWMmw3QoppvcbAoF012vabEj0PkVMTWQp8zPdEgq0ZhH+FUB/9 +x1Q== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 16:37:54 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <36EFCE7D-2601-4369-90C6-3ADB078B57AC@gmail.com> <23528580-7B79-412B-B360-04CDC711A130@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 00:37:59 +0000 (UTC) Ricky, it's probably user error ;) That is in fact what my settings are, but who knows what I am doing = wrong... one thing at a time, I'm just happy the plug-in is running :D Phil :) On Mar 3, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Sync works fine. Select "In Host" and quantize where appropriate. I = use cycle :) >=20 > On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Phil Clevenger > wrote: >> Christopher, >>=20 >> It was both, plus another hour or two of fiddling about with the LG = to get the commands from there to the plugin. >>=20 >> Ricky's template is a self-running demo. Click the 'Play" button in = the clip in the first track. Then look at the piano roll for that clip - = it's an ascending scale, one note per beat. In that track's "MIDI To" = section, it shoudl be routing to "2-Audio" and from there to Echoloop = (which is placed in the 2-Audio track). If it is not that way already, = make it so. >>=20 >> So with the clip in Track 1 playing, scoot over to track 2 and open = Echoloop's interface. WIth or without audio, you should see that = Echoloop is going nuts, doing one thing after another, as the first = track sends the notes. >>=20 >> Per's advice helped when I got home and wanted to send MIDI commands = from my LG rather than that MIDI clip. I reflexively assumed I needed to = set up the LG as the "MIDI From" source, but Per specified that this = needs to be the audio interface... so when I changed that prefs setup = and the track settings to be listening to my MOTU audio interface, then = stuff started happening :) >>=20 >> Finally, I needed to mess around with the commands, and found that = Note On and Note Off for each command seemed to mostly do the job. >>=20 >> I am still wrestling with getting loops in Echoloop to synch well = with the Ableton host DAW, for some reason that is still evading me. = Plugin is set for 'HOST" sync but loops still seem to be all over the = place. WIll get it figured out eventually :) >>=20 >> Hope that helps Christopher. >>=20 >> Phil :) >>=20 >>=20 >> On Mar 2, 2012, at 6:38 AM, Christopher Darrow wrote: >>=20 >>>=20 >>> Was it Ricky's template or Per's explanation or both? In other = words, what'd you do that has it working perfectly now? >>>=20 >>> Ricky, might I also get a copy of that template? I'm hoping to make = more time for music next week and would like to check it out. >>>=20 >>> Thank you all! (Ricky, Per, Phil, Andy) >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Feb 29, 2012, at 2:15 AM, Phil Clevenger wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Ricky, Per - >>>>=20 >>>> All is well - Echoloop is working as it should, all commands from = LG are heard and everything behaves wonderfully. >>>>=20 >>>> Very best, >>>>=20 >>>> Phil :) >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Feb 28, 2012, at 12:52 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> Ended up grilling it with some vegetables. A good choice. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Glad the set works. >>>>>=20 >>>>> R >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Phil Clevenger >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Wow - thanks so much Per and Ricky. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Ricky, your file tests well and perfectly illustrates the = solution. And I >>>>>> bet your steak was delicious :) Can't wait to get home later and = do the real >>>>>> work with incoming MIDI from the LG. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Per... THANK YOU ! Yes there is a reasonable explanation in the = abstract >>>>>> about MIDI routing in the manual. And in the help, rollover and = panel-bound. >>>>>> But this kind of application of MIDI command assignment is one I = have not >>>>>> come across before, so it did not occur to me that this was a = *routing* >>>>>> issue. I spent easily 8 hours poring over the old EDP assignment = texts, the >>>>>> updated Echoloop assignment texts, Ableton's assignment texts in = the manual >>>>>> and helps, searching LD and other internet forums, checking my = work in the >>>>>> Gordius, engaging in some trial and error in case the manuals = were in any >>>>>> way erroneous, trying out different MIDI pref settings, and so = on. Was not >>>>>> at all sure this was an Ableton problem anyway... (meanwhile my = wife keeps >>>>>> popping in and poking me for 'geeking out,' asking why I don;t = just 'pick up >>>>>> the guitar and play some freaking songs...lol ) >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> SO you see I thought this to be an assignment or compatibility = issue, rather >>>>>> than a routing issue. I could have spent another eight hours and = still not >>>>>> found the explanation, because I was looking for the wrong = solution ! >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> And in the end, Per, your explanation is so much better than = those in >>>>>> Ableton... For instance, read the text for the Track/Sync/Remote = prefs in >>>>>> the rollover help, unless you are a MIDI pro they make little = sense. Your >>>>>> explanation has helped me to grok that for the first time :D = Maybe you >>>>>> should write their manuals :) >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> So huge thanks to you folks. I am sure there are others who will = also >>>>>> benefit from this exchange here besides just me. What on earth = did we ever >>>>>> do before the interweb? >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Phil :D >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Ricky Graham = >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Sent >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:55 PM, Ricky Graham >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> yep. just frying a steak. i will eat that steak. and then i = will send >>>>>>>> on the ableton set to both of you. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> r >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Per Boysen = wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Phil Clevenger >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> And Per, regarding this: >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> "Instead you could set up a direct MIDI path into the = Echoloop and >>>>>>>>>> feed it >>>>>>>>>> directly from your external MIDI control gear. " >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> Not sure what that means but it sounds damned sexy ! Can you = clarify? >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Sorry, I took that for understood, as it is explained quite = well in >>>>>>>>> the manual that comes with Live and also is included within = the >>>>>>>>> application's GUI (the "Info View" box that can be kept open = in the >>>>>>>>> lower left corner. Any object you hover the mouse pointer over = will be >>>>>>>>> explained in that box) >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> There are two ways to pipe external MIDI directly into a = plugin hosted >>>>>>>>> in Ableton Live. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> 1) Set up the plugin to listen to a MIDI In port. >>>>>>>>> I'm not sure Echoloop will let you do that, so let's skip that = for this >>>>>>>>> time. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> 2) Route incoming MIDI by Live's preferences settings and = Live's mixer >>>>>>>>> into the Plugin. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> MIDI comes in through the MIDI In port. Your MIDI interface's = MIDI >>>>>>>>> ports will be visible in Live's preferences setting's "MIDI = Sync" tab. >>>>>>>>> For piping a MIDI In port's data directly to a plugin (but = through a >>>>>>>>> Track) you need to set this MIDI In port as active for "Track" = (there >>>>>>>>> are also "Sync" and "Remote"). Then close the preferences = window and >>>>>>>>> chose a MIDI Track in Live's mixer. In this track's input slot = you >>>>>>>>> chose the appropriate MIDI In port (if you want you can filter = to pass >>>>>>>>> only one MIDI channel here). Set the track's Monitor to "In" = (there >>>>>>>>> are also "Auto" and "Off"). In the "MIDI To" slot select the = MIDI >>>>>>>>> Track where you have opened the plugin. Now, you may regard it = tricky >>>>>>>>> with an audio looping plugin hosted on a MIDI Track, how to = get your >>>>>>>>> audio input into the looper? Well, in Live the usual routing = for that >>>>>>>>> is to first use an Audio Track to fetch the signal from the = physical >>>>>>>>> audio input then send that track (by its "Audio To" slot = addressing) >>>>>>>>> to a Return Track. The good news here is that a Return Track's = output >>>>>>>>> can send to both Audio and MIDI Track's inputs. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Happy looping! >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Per >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 01:11:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24D50183460; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 01:11:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <1330818027.69954.YahooMailMobile@web36702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1330818027.69954.YahooMailMobile@web36702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-328964792 Message-Id: From: Revfever Subject: Re: so long -- and further off topic. Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 17:11:22 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 01:11:29 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4-328964792 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Mar 3, 2012, at 3:40 PM, Paul Richards wrote: > There's actually one or two more similar articles on the New York > Times/International Herald Tribune websites. Check out their sites. > > Wages are pretty low there-like $11 USD /day i.e. Foxconn > manufacturing. Also, another article was written by a person who > surreptitiously interviewed people leaving the factories. 14 year > olds were not uncommon. > > So here we have the ideal manufacturing environment for US > concerns: low wages, poor benefits, poor environmental regs, etc., > etc. > > How about the pollution from all those container ships? > > Sad, very sad. > Isn't it funny and interesting how the "free" market and "free" enterprise "works" and for "everyone"? Uh-huh. Riiiiight. More "free" markets fairy tales that the rest of us are all expected to simply "believe in" and to "trust", etc, blah blah blah. Millions of previous good paying American jobs (and other countries' jobs) have been "outsourced" to China, and to India, Mexico, Malaysia, etc where there are also millions of dirt poor, desperate people, and the companies that moved to there are making RECORD PROFITS. And yet, when the products are sent back here (and elsewhere) the PRICES are either the SAME or sometimes even MORE than what was previously being paid for by consumers. And of course, the usual "excuse" for this due to "market forces" blah blah blah. And also, more often than not, the "quality" ain't the same. Doesn't anyone see something wrong with this picture? I certainly do and I ain't no rocket scientist. It is also another reason why long ago I decided to cut WAY BACK on my purchasing and spending habits (and NOW I have NO choice due to my own economic situation! Yow!) and also decided to purchase only as much used stuff as was reasonable to do so, which has hovered around the 95% or more range of purchases. So far, this has mostly worked out in a positive way for me and I also don't have a lot of low value, useless crap laying around my place, which is just fine by me. These companies are making out like bandits and yet most consumers either just gladly go along with it, with maybe a gripe or 2 every so often, and / or have no real "choices" anymore, once those companies corner certain markets that millions of consumers either have to rely on and / or or are addicted to, and as those companies squash or even kill off the competition completely. And, tough shite for any workers that get trampled or left in the dust in the process as those companies "grow" and "expand" and "innovate" and "merge" and prosper. Welcome to "free" market "free" Kapitalism! Got any "better" ideas? Cheers- Rev.Fever Portlandia http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult --Apple-Mail-4-328964792 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
On Mar 3, 2012, at 3:40 PM, Paul = Richards wrote:

There's actually one or two = more similar articles on the New York Times/International Herald Tribune = websites. Check out their sites.

Wages are pretty low there-like = $11 USD /day i.e. Foxconn manufacturing. Also, another article was = written by a person who surreptitiously interviewed people leaving the = factories. 14 year olds were not uncommon.

So here we have the = ideal manufacturing environment for US concerns: low wages, poor = benefits, poor environmental regs, etc., etc.

How about the = pollution from all those container ships?

Sad, very = sad.

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=
Isn't it funny and = interesting how the "free" market and "free" enterprise "works" and for = "everyone"? Uh-huh. Riiiiight.
More "free" markets fairy tales = that the rest of us are all expected to simply "believe in" and to = "trust", etc, blah blah blah.

Millions of previous = good paying American jobs (and other countries' jobs) have been = "outsourced" to China, and to India, Mexico, Malaysia, etc where there = are also millions of dirt poor, desperate people, and the companies that = moved to there are making RECORD PROFITS. And yet, when the products are = sent back here (and elsewhere) the PRICES are either the SAME or = sometimes even MORE than what was previously being paid for by = consumers. And of course, the usual "excuse" for this due to "market = forces" blah blah blah. And also, more often than not, the "quality" = ain't the same. Doesn't anyone see something wrong with this = picture? I certainly do and I ain't no rocket scientist. It is also = another reason why long ago I decided to cut WAY BACK on my purchasing = and spending habits (and NOW I have NO choice due to my own economic = situation! Yow!) and also decided to purchase only as much used stuff as = was reasonable to do so, which has hovered around the 95% or more range = of purchases. So far, this has mostly worked out in a positive way for = me and I also don't have a lot of low value, useless crap laying around = my place, which is just fine by me.

These = companies are making out like bandits and yet most consumers either just = gladly go along with it, with maybe a gripe or 2 every so often, and / = or have no real "choices" anymore, once those companies corner certain = markets that millions of consumers either have to rely on and / or or = are addicted to, and as those companies squash or even kill off the = competition completely. And, tough shite for any workers that get = trampled or left in the dust in the process as those companies "grow" = and "expand" and "innovate" and "merge" and prosper. Welcome to = "free" market "free" Kapitalism!   Got any "better" = ideas?

Rev.Fever
Portlandia
http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfev= er
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elem= ental1
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elem= ental2
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult=

= --Apple-Mail-4-328964792-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 03:58:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39C7B183460; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 03:58:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2012 21:29:11 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Neil Leonard, Jim Hobbs, Tom Plsek, Forbes Graham, Doctor T, March 10 Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, Frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 03:58:36 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, Visual Music LIVE continues at Outpost 186 on Saturday at 8 PM. -- I'll be doing video improvisations with four of the best horn players in (or out) of the Boston area. Doctor T -- Video Mixing with Four Winds Blow Neil Leonard -- reeds Jim Hobbs -- alto sax Forbes Graham - trumpet Tom Plsek -- trombone I feel privileged to share the stage with these wonderful musicians. My projections are produced by mixing multiple DVD sources with a video mixer and effects processor. The sources consist of computer-manipulated original material derived from my still photography and videography. The original subject matter is usually recognizable, but sometimes processed to complete abstraction. Sometimes the projections and music respond directly to each other -- sometimes they simply co-exist. 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It's partially >> disassembled right now but the circuit boards have so many screws and non >> detatchable cables it feels a little too risky to move further. Not to >> mention that I know little to nothing about the inner anatomy of keyboards. >> >> --f46d0444eab7d9dcec04ba63cdd5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
bumpety bump

On Mar 3, 2012 8:48 AM, "kay'lon r= ushing" <k3zz21@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:

Do pitch bend wheels normally have a sort of greese/lube in them?

On Mar 3, 2012 12:24 AM, "mark francombe&qu= ot; <markfr= ancombe@gmail.com> wrote:

you have 3 options.
1. do it. grab = camera take photos photos photos... and continue to dissemble...=A0
2. clean what to can see... get pure alcohol from chemist... and Qtips a= ns see what yo can do by poking

3. take to expert

I'd go for 2 then re- e= valuate the situation...

Sent from my (advertisement removed)
<= div>
On 3 Mar 2012, at 04:25, kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:

l havent used my Axi= om keyboard since the day i found out. It's partially disassembled righ= t now but the circuit boards have so many screws and non detatchable cables= it feels a little too risky to move further. Not to mention that I know li= ttle to nothing about the inner anatomy of keyboards.

--f46d0444eab7d9dcec04ba63cdd5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 06:08:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 147C9183460; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 06:08:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_9cddc8ad-4ad7-46f8-9bf1-08ad9f819ebd_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.215.126] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: so long -- and further off topic. Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 06:08:22 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <1330818027.69954.YahooMailMobile@web36702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Mar 2012 06:08:23.0080 (UTC) FILETIME=[34781A80:01CCF9CD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 06:08:24 +0000 (UTC) --_9cddc8ad-4ad7-46f8-9bf1-08ad9f819ebd_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's abetter idea. Co-operatives. Capitalism where the people who work fo= r the business share the profits. Goodbye massive inflated wages for the fe= w at the top and hello fairness.I reckon it's a better system - and it work= s. You are more likely to do a better job with more enthusiasm and commitme= nt when you know you're going to benefit. Just my tuppence worth peace Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk From: revfever@ubergadget.com Subject: Re: so long -- and further off topic. Date: Sat=2C 3 Mar 2012 17:11:22 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com = =20 Welcome to "free" market "free" Kapitalism! Got any "better" ideas? Cheers-Rev.FeverPortlandiahttp://www.spiritone.com/~rvfeverhttp://www.cdbab= y.com/cd/elemental1http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2http://www.cdbaby.com= /cd/skult = --_9cddc8ad-4ad7-46f8-9bf1-08ad9f819ebd_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here's abetter idea. Co-operatives. Capitalism where the people who work fo= r the business share the profits. Goodbye massive inflated wages for the fe= w at the top and hello fairness.
I reckon it's a better system - and it= works. You are more likely to do a better job with more enthusiasm and com= mitment when you know you're going to benefit.

Jus= t my tuppence worth

peace

Gareth Whittock= =2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

From: revfever@ubergadget.com
Subject: Re: so l= ong -- and further off topic.
Date: Sat=2C 3 Mar 2012 17:11:22 -0800
= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

<= div id=3D"ecx_origMsg_">

= =

= =3B =3BWelcome to "free" market "free" Kapitalism! =3B =3BGot = any "better" ideas?

Cheers-
Rev.Fever
Portlandia=
http://www= .spiritone.com/~rvfever
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd= /elemental2
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult

= --_9cddc8ad-4ad7-46f8-9bf1-08ad9f819ebd_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 06:45:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CABB9183462; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 06:45:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <1330818027.69954.YahooMailMobile@web36702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7-349016234 Message-Id: <9523A78B-1D6B-4929-83A9-3844C4D2F765@ubergadget.com> From: Revfever Subject: Re: so long -- and further off topic. Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 22:45:34 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 06:45:41 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7-349016234 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Indeed. Good idea. And, also worker-owned businesses and companies and keeping as much money as possible in the local economy and local credit unions and local smaller banks, etc We have a sizable number of these types of things here in Portlandia. There will likely be more to come. Along with a resurgence in more union organizing. T he quicker that the fat cats get put on a "strict diet", the better everyone else will be. BTW, my previously saying "got any 'better' ideas" was meant to be sarcasm towards the current Kapitalist "system" we are all under the thumb of. But, perhaps you previously understood what I was really meaning by saying it that way? :-) (and yes, I just like to spell Capitalism with a "K" just for silly fun. :-) ) Cheers- Rev.Fever Portlandia http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult On Mar 3, 2012, at 10:08 PM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > Here's abetter idea. Co-operatives. Capitalism where the people who > work for the business share the profits. Goodbye massive inflated > wages for the few at the top and hello fairness. > I reckon it's a better system - and it works. You are more likely > to do a better job with more enthusiasm and commitment when you > know you're going to benefit. > > Just my tuppence worth > > peace > > Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > > From: revfever@ubergadget.com > Subject: Re: so long -- and further off topic. > Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 17:11:22 -0800 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > > > Welcome to "free" market "free" Kapitalism! Got any "better" > ideas? > > Cheers- > Rev.Fever > Portlandia > http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1 > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2 > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult > > --Apple-Mail-7-349016234 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Indeed. Good idea. And, also worker-owned businesses and companies and = keeping as much money as possible in the local economy and local = credit unions and local smaller banks, etc We have a sizable number = of these types of things here in Portlandia. There will likely be more = to come. Along with a resurgence in more union = organizing.
T
he quicker that the fat cats get put on = a "strict diet", the better everyone else will = be.

BTW, my previously saying "got any = 'better' ideas" was meant to be sarcasm towards the current Kapitalist = "system" we are all under the thumb of.
But, perhaps you = previously understood what I was really meaning by saying it that way? = :-) (and yes, I just like to spell Capitalism with a "K" just for silly = fun. :-) )

Rev.Fever
Portlandia
http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfev= er
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elem= ental1
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elem= ental2
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult=

On Mar 3, = 2012, at 10:08 PM, Gareth Whittock wrote:

Here's abetter idea. Co-operatives. Capitalism = where the people who work for the business share the profits. Goodbye = massive inflated wages for the few at the top and hello fairness.
I = reckon it's a better system - and it works. You are more likely to do a = better job with more enthusiasm and commitment when you know you're = going to benefit.

Just my tuppence = worth

peace

Gareth Whittock, sound = artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

From: revfever@ubergadget.com
Sub= ject: Re: so long -- and further off topic.
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 = 17:11:22 -0800
To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com

  Welcome to "free" market "free" = Kapitalism!   Got any "better" = ideas?

Cheers-
Portlandia
http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult

=

= --Apple-Mail-7-349016234-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 07:25:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40068183461; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 07:24:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_824fc25f-2abe-48c9-8f83-31d392f60c1e_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.215.126] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: so long -- and further off topic. Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 07:24:57 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9523A78B-1D6B-4929-83A9-3844C4D2F765@ubergadget.com> References: <1330818027.69954.YahooMailMobile@web36702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, ,<9523A78B-1D6B-4929-83A9-3844C4D2F765@ubergadget.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Mar 2012 07:24:57.0458 (UTC) FILETIME=[E6EE8D20:01CCF9D7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 07:24:59 +0000 (UTC) --_824fc25f-2abe-48c9-8f83-31d392f60c1e_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes=2C I'm with you rev.. I think a change is in the air but I'm going to s= hut up about it on this list now. Good to have a little "aside" now and the= n.. g Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk From: revfever@ubergadget.com Subject: Re: so long -- and further off topic. Date: Sat=2C 3 Mar 2012 22:45:34 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Indeed. Good idea. And=2C also worker-owned businesses and companies and ke= eping as much money as possible in the local economy and local credit union= s and local smaller banks=2C etc We have a sizable number of these types of= things here in Portlandia. There will likely be more to come. Along with a= resurgence in more union organizing.The quicker that the fat cats get put = on a "strict diet"=2C the better everyone else will be. BTW=2C my previousl= y saying "got any 'better' ideas" was meant to be sarcasm towards the curre= nt Kapitalist "system" we are all under the thumb of. But=2C perhaps you pr= eviously understood what I was really meaning by saying it that way? :-) (a= nd yes=2C I just like to spell Capitalism with a "K" just for silly fun. :-= ) ) Cheers-Rev.FeverPortlandiahttp://www.spiritone.com/~rvfeverhttp://www.cdbab= y.com/cd/elemental1http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2http://www.cdbaby.com= /cd/skult On Mar 3=2C 2012=2C at 10:08 PM=2C Gareth Whittock wrote:Here's abetter ide= a. Co-operatives. Capitalism where the people who work for the business sha= re the profits. Goodbye massive inflated wages for the few at the top and h= ello fairness.I reckon it's a better system - and it works. You are more li= kely to do a better job with more enthusiasm and commitment when you know y= ou're going to benefit. Just my tuppence worth peace Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk From: revfever@ubergadget.com Subject: Re: so long -- and further off topic. Date: Sat=2C 3 Mar 2012 17:11:22 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Welcome to "free" market "free" Kapitalism! Got any "better" ideas? Cheers-Rev.FeverPortlandiahttp://www.spiritone.com/~rvfeverhttp://www.cdbab= y.com/cd/elemental1http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2http://www.cdbaby.com= /cd/skult = --_824fc25f-2abe-48c9-8f83-31d392f60c1e_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes=2C I'm with you rev.. I think a change is in the air but I'm going to s= hut up about it on this list now. Good to have a little "aside" now and the= n..

g

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk
Fro= m: revfever@ubergadget.com
Subject: Re: so long -- and further off topic= .
Date: Sat=2C 3 Mar 2012 22:45:34 -0800
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-= delight.com

Indeed. Good idea. And=2C also worker-owned businesses and companies and ke= eping as much money as possible in the local economy =3Band local credi= t unions and local smaller banks=2C etc =3BWe have a sizable number of = these types of things here in Portlandia. There will likely be more to come= . Along with a resurgence in more union organizing.
T
he= quicker that the fat cats get put on a "strict diet"=2C the better everyon= e else will be.
=3B
BTW=2C my previously saying "g= ot any 'better' ideas" was meant to be sarcasm towards the current Kapitali= st "system" we are all under the thumb of. =3B
But=2C perhaps= you previously understood what I was really meaning by saying it that way?= :-) (and yes=2C I just like to spell Capitalism with a "K" just for silly = fun. :-) )

Cheers-
Rev.Fever
Portlandia
http://www.spiritone.com/= ~rvfever
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2<= /div>
= http://www.cdb= aby.com/cd/skult

On Mar 3=2C 2012= =2C at 10:08 PM=2C Gareth Whittock wrote:

Here's abetter idea. Co-= operatives. Capitalism where the people who work for the business share the= profits. Goodbye massive inflated wages for the few at the top and hello f= airness.
I reckon it's a better system - and it works. You are more lik= ely to do a better job with more enthusiasm and commitment when you know yo= u're going to benefit.

Just my tuppence worth

peace

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: =3Bgarethwhittock.co.uk

From: revfever@ubergadget.com
Subject: Re: s= o long -- and further off topic.
Date: Sat=2C 3 Mar 2012 17:11:22 -0800<= br>To: Loopers-Delig= ht@loopers-delight.com

=3B =3BWelcome to "free" mar= ket "free" Kapitalism! =3B =3BGot any "better" ideas?
=

Cheers-
Rev.Fever
Portlandia
http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever
http://www.cd= baby.com/cd/elemental1
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2
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= --_824fc25f-2abe-48c9-8f83-31d392f60c1e_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 09:45:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F344318345A; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 09:45:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of moinsound@googlemail.com designates 10.14.127.5 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.14.127.5; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of moinsound@googlemail.com designates 10.14.127.5 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=moinsound@googlemail.com; dkim=pass header.i=moinsound@googlemail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; bh=gxlcZcT/WHXeK4uc/iHQurem3hI0JV/WCQxOmKSXjXQ=; b=P2D8at/AU9lEEptoDV4RUBnx/RBbEAUUc6TYm1F4YIqUkwCubZj6mcEKrCTCuIS2yk Z5CpxHwu5KKT/xblwodGouJ11R1bZ9AOH/yIGQocyRhujA1WJZfKUFvz25+ngGisMnPY 0a9aSkMV219cPljlxLn8wj2SGM7LXaEhASrQmCDByXeudEH9rRDJWVD/PQjRfEWl7fjS l5gd+Oktb1MsrcGoi/ECNFH37JaRYpI+5FyHpAahaPzNvCYfT9LZu6RbKNYJyRUmxhyw g8BS42G8VZaZyiYjQuFmODwtcD0RCMrdW4MTizeAFFffanaRI+45ZPWntV6W0O/ZHN/A fVpg== Message-ID: <4F5339E3.1030209@googlemail.com> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 10:46:11 +0100 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: so long -- and further off topic. References: <1330818027.69954.YahooMailMobile@web36702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070408030209010202030307" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 09:45:53 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070408030209010202030307 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Am 04.03.2012 02:11, schrieb Revfever: >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Isn't it funny and interesting how the "free" market and "free" >> enterprise "works" and for "everyone"? Uh-huh. Riiiiight. The reason why it doesn't work is because the market isn't free. Due to some hideously ugly examples by many governments (and the German one is clearly in the lead here), people (and these are both the man in the street and the big industry leaders) have grown accustomed to the concept of privatizing wins and socializing losses. "Subsidy" being one of the main evil words. The problem is not the system - it's the failure to operate according to it. --------------070408030209010202030307 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Am 04.03.2012 02:11, schrieb Revfever:

Isn't it funny and interesting how the "free" market and "free" enterprise "works" and for "everyone"? Uh-huh. Riiiiight.

The reason why it doesn't work is because the market isn't free. Due to some hideously ugly examples by many governments (and the German one is clearly in the lead here), people (and these are both the man in the street and the big industry leaders) have grown accustomed to the concept of privatizing wins and socializing losses. "Subsidy" being one of the main evil words.

The problem is not the system - it's the failure to operate according to it.
--------------070408030209010202030307-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 09:45:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C224183475; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 09:45:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 738965221/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.19.184/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.19.184 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvcCAIQ5U09YbRO4/2dsb2JhbAAMN7M6A4QIAQEBAwE4Mw0GCwshFg8JAwIBAgFFHAGHfrhBiymCEoMiBJsMikSCYw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,529,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="738965221" Message-ID: <4F5339E3.4010708@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 09:46:11 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <36EFCE7D-2601-4369-90C6-3ADB078B57AC@gmail.com> <23528580-7B79-412B-B360-04CDC711A130@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <23528580-7B79-412B-B360-04CDC711A130@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 09:45:59 +0000 (UTC) Phil Clevenger wrote: > Plugin is set for 'HOST" sync but loops still seem to be all over the place. While that kind of sync was once part of the vst spec it was never well adopted by VST hosts. In Bidule this allows you to sync anything to anything else in multiple combinations. I don't think Ableton have it though, and as it's actually now deprecated from the vst spec by good ol' Steinberg (presumably because of lack of implememntation by vst hosts) it's a shame, that's an incredibly useful feature thatjust takes a couple of mouse clicks to set up (in Bidule)...we're not going to remove it so I guess we should document better. I'm afraid I'm really not an Ableton expert at all...I can understand people's problems, it really seems bizarrely overcomplicated and restrictive for the sort of stuff us guys do. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 10:49:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D855183460; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 10:49:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 729439017/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.19.184/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.19.184 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvcCAKBHU09YbRO4/2dsb2JhbAAMN7M6A4QIAQEBAwE4QBELGAkWDwkDAgECAUUcAYd+uDeLKYISgyIEmwyKRIJj X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,529,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="729439017" Message-ID: <4F5348D7.4060904@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 10:49:59 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LP1 in MIDI Sync Mode References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 10:49:47 +0000 (UTC) Phil Clevenger wrote: > For Looperlative gurus: I'm not experienced in midi syncing it yet, but this sounds like reasonable behaviour, > > When synching LP-1 to external clock, I have been frustrated what I thought were synch issues. > > But paying closer attention, I think it may be As Designed: > In MIDI Sync/Rec mode, the start point of the new loop is precisely when the Rec button is pressed. That's the default "most desireable option" for a looper... at least many live loopers think it is. I'd have to check, but I think that's how all hardware loopers work. Musically, I guess it depends whether you think in terms of rigid barlines that structure the music...common in sample based looping. Another reason this happens is that midi clock is just a stream of ticks without any info about bar lines. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 12:44:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F5D4183462; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 12:44:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 07:44:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller In-Reply-To: <4F5339E3.4010708@tiscali.co.uk> References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <36EFCE7D-2601-4369-90C6-3ADB078B57AC@gmail.com> <23528580-7B79-412B-B360-04CDC711A130@gmail.com> <4F5339E3.4010708@tiscali.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20120304124451.40FEDD3FB9@server01.clifford.wightman.ca> Resent-Message-ID: <9DN0aD.A.6XF.KP2UPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 12:44:58 +0000 (UTC) Hey, could you explain how to sync echoloop in Bidule? I want to set up three loops synced to each other, but haven't been successful at it yet, but I also haven't had much time to invest in it lately. Paul Haslem www.duclify.ca Ontario, Canada At 04:46 AM 3/4/2012, you wrote: >Phil Clevenger wrote: > >>Plugin is set for 'HOST" sync but loops still seem to be all over >>the place. > >While that kind of sync was once part of the vst spec it was never well >adopted by VST hosts. > >In Bidule this allows you to sync anything to anything else in multiple >combinations. > >I don't think Ableton have it though, and as it's actually now deprecated >from the vst spec by good ol' Steinberg >(presumably because of lack of implememntation by vst hosts) > > >it's a shame, that's an incredibly useful feature thatjust takes a couple >of mouse clicks to set up (in Bidule)...we're not going to remove it >so I guess we should document better. > >I'm afraid I'm really not an Ableton expert at all...I can >understand people's problems, it really seems bizarrely >overcomplicated and restrictive for the sort of stuff us guys do. > > >andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 13:20:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99BF4183460; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:20:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.101.3.22 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.101.3.22; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.101.3.22 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=perboysen@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=perboysen@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=nvVha2TlyKRDnCucczMiffu+2xdKwVWWWlBoeuXD3XI=; b=PtmwFxVEBBrt3KdonKx/yrDRDjtpPCHs1Dm/DuIpaMaLQpwWJoLeiPC/EScSzWc0Gc 3qHPUHslfkxWXg3bzq7yUiyu+CQOV43L3ofZCvOIYAkCyCkDop2v76lOBiKq6x++otpm /W7VuftdKYDQaKnkkyOp7fyTCl5C0SlPLLr3jbG+Y8qvxhpjOWcmeDuERa67CtJ2ljCy D8T31jjKa74DGpZaXvu3+NWFcTOGuviiylacfEI15+VmHR+LxW/L+ABPwwbhDiET9L8L SVMJQMmOvQJaWlHyzaKE9DSQOnuggtRGknWd5dAqD90p8w8uzkZ0oTGKgnPMQu2fLuco k4JA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120304124451.40FEDD3FB9@server01.clifford.wightman.ca> References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <36EFCE7D-2601-4369-90C6-3ADB078B57AC@gmail.com> <23528580-7B79-412B-B360-04CDC711A130@gmail.com> <4F5339E3.4010708@tiscali.co.uk> <20120304124451.40FEDD3FB9@server01.clifford.wightman.ca> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 14:20:36 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <9kYghD.A.guF.lw2UPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:20:37 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 1:44 PM, paul wrote: > Hey, could you explain how to sync echoloop in Bidule? I want to set up > three loops synced to each other, but haven't been successful at it yet, but > I also haven't had much time to invest in it lately. Check this step-for-step tutorial. I made this for the looper Mobius but the settings are the same for Echoloop. Here the looper is synced in the master position. http://www.perboysen.com/how-to-sync-plugins-to-mobius-looper-in-bidule/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 13:40:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8637E18345E; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:40:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 729471607/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.19.184/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.19.184 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvcCAJxvU09YbRO4/2dsb2JhbAAMN7M6A4QIAQEBBDgRHQUNEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBwAWLKYISgyIEmwyKRIJj X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,529,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="729471607" Message-ID: <4F5370D8.6060405@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 13:40:40 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <36EFCE7D-2601-4369-90C6-3ADB078B57AC@gmail.com> <23528580-7B79-412B-B360-04CDC711A130@gmail.com> <4F5339E3.4010708@tiscali.co.uk> <20120304124451.40FEDD3FB9@server01.clifford.wightman.ca> In-Reply-To: <20120304124451.40FEDD3FB9@server01.clifford.wightman.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:40:28 +0000 (UTC) Right click the little representation of the slave Echoloop in Bidule, click Sync To, selct what you want to sync it to (that'll be your master EL). OPen up each slave Echoloop and select Sync= In Host, for master Echoloop select Sync=Out. andy paul wrote: > Hey, could you explain how to sync echoloop in Bidule? I want to set up > three loops synced to each other, but haven't been successful at it yet, > but I also haven't had much time to invest in it lately. > > Paul Haslem > www.duclify.ca > Ontario, Canada > > > > > > > At 04:46 AM 3/4/2012, you wrote: >> Phil Clevenger wrote: >> >>> Plugin is set for 'HOST" sync but loops still seem to be all over >>> the place. >> >> While that kind of sync was once part of the vst spec it was never well >> adopted by VST hosts. >> >> In Bidule this allows you to sync anything to anything else in multiple >> combinations. >> >> I don't think Ableton have it though, and as it's actually now deprecated >> from the vst spec by good ol' Steinberg >> (presumably because of lack of implememntation by vst hosts) >> >> >> it's a shame, that's an incredibly useful feature thatjust takes a couple >> of mouse clicks to set up (in Bidule)...we're not going to remove it >> so I guess we should document better. >> >> I'm afraid I'm really not an Ableton expert at all...I can >> understand people's problems, it really seems bizarrely >> overcomplicated and restrictive for the sort of stuff us guys do. >> >> >> andy > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 14:17:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4E4F183461; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 14:17:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 739020382/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.19.184/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.19.184 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvcCANt4U09YbRO4/2dsb2JhbAAMN7M6A4QIAQEBAwE4ER0FDRELGAkWDwkDAgECAUUcAYd+uAqLKYISgyIEmwyKRIJj X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,529,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="739020382" Message-ID: <4F53797E.4060809@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 14:17:34 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <36EFCE7D-2601-4369-90C6-3ADB078B57AC@gmail.com> <23528580-7B79-412B-B360-04CDC711A130@gmail.com> <4F5339E3.4010708@tiscali.co.uk> <20120304124451.40FEDD3FB9@server01.clifford.wightman.ca> <4F5370D8.6060405@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4F5370D8.6060405@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 14:17:21 +0000 (UTC) andy butler wrote: > Right click the little representation of the slave Echoloop in Bidule, > click Sync To, > selct what you want to sync it to (that'll be your master EL). > OPen up each slave Echoloop and select Sync= In Host, > for master Echoloop select Sync=Out. oh, or just look at Per's link ;-) > > andy > > > > paul wrote: >> Hey, could you explain how to sync echoloop in Bidule? I want to set >> up three loops synced to each other, but haven't been successful at it >> yet, but I also haven't had much time to invest in it lately. >> >> Paul Haslem >> www.duclify.ca >> Ontario, Canada >> >> >> >> >> >> >> At 04:46 AM 3/4/2012, you wrote: >>> Phil Clevenger wrote: >>> >>>> Plugin is set for 'HOST" sync but loops still seem to be all over >>>> the place. >>> >>> While that kind of sync was once part of the vst spec it was never well >>> adopted by VST hosts. >>> >>> In Bidule this allows you to sync anything to anything else in multiple >>> combinations. >>> >>> I don't think Ableton have it though, and as it's actually now >>> deprecated >>> from the vst spec by good ol' Steinberg >>> (presumably because of lack of implememntation by vst hosts) >>> >>> >>> it's a shame, that's an incredibly useful feature thatjust takes a >>> couple >>> of mouse clicks to set up (in Bidule)...we're not going to remove it >>> so I guess we should document better. >>> >>> I'm afraid I'm really not an Ableton expert at all...I can >>> understand people's problems, it really seems bizarrely >>> overcomplicated and restrictive for the sort of stuff us guys do. >>> >>> >>> andy >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 15:32:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDD27183454; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 15:32:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.112.28.74 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.112.28.74; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.112.28.74 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=markfrancombe@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=markfrancombe@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=cA46MjHIUW9ZWUSuUi0ruSwp8VHQA3uu2TMhPzktbmA=; b=f/VphyhegtaEyJVvy6pfExyT4W/O9IPYYr7S8TQJqd0L7hI8wOSHOJbWB3q3oEfuRA 7ufVt8DwaJ0Zsp3oDh6V4xZTpNACeU00yCn8thpmUdOON06+nGPxa0XuPJEtszdJydun ndR8aMinIDjpNOSDZ1I+iqRTL2HsMQ559sng0cddGeIRVZuuZxptDNNSlIXYQSCF7L+c Ud0lPCaz+/bDq73U/qFRIgsfGlRnmX+U+8tChS3Xond1Mv5aS2Lv2i/3Bc1RMWqgoOul l3iol6jXDW0m+tCpKajika+BwjYAjBwsO+IhpSU1wiiFrKnD7O6uFtmwcnEAMiMwgKYp cPPw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <20120304124451.40FEDD3FB9@server01.clifford.wightman.ca> References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <36EFCE7D-2601-4369-90C6-3ADB078B57AC@gmail.com> <23528580-7B79-412B-B360-04CDC711A130@gmail.com> <4F5339E3.4010708@tiscali.co.uk> <20120304124451.40FEDD3FB9@server01.clifford.wightman.ca> From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 16:31:58 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0Ev873KscGn51bLj0_fwBIXakjg Message-ID: Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec554db9eec5ad104ba6c8308 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 15:32:20 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec554db9eec5ad104ba6c8308 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 1:44 PM, paul wrote: > Hey, could you explain how to sync echoloop in Bidule? Yes I have second that request, Im not personally using Bidule, but trying to make a simple looping patch in Mulch that is probably pretty simerlar. Int the txt doc that comes with Echoloop it says. "Multitracking" and BrotherSync We think it brings a lot of flexibility if "Tracks" are separate instances of the Loop plugin. Soon we will offer a new system to sync and operate them together. In Bidule, BrotherSync is possible. Its just clumsy, because after starting it up, one has to set each plugins' sync to off and then to the other plugin again. In other hosts its necessary to set a tempo in the host and then sync to that. I hope this can evolve... My questions are so when using 2 instances of the plugin, how is it intended that they sync together? Is it that the midi in goes to the midi in on one plug in then the midi out to the midi in on the second plug.. one set to in, two set to out? or that the midi on goes to both plugs both set to out... or in? Thats just to have dual operation, but what of this "synch to Host option" does this work? in which case, is it just to set both to Host? I am also trying a Abelton version, but havent got there yet (reading closely the recent Per and Phil thread (or is that this thread actually)) I too would like that Abelton Live template Ricky??? Pretty Please? But I have another question.. does anyone notice the pre-configured settings in Live? I spotted a Boysen setting a Las Fosse setting a Butler setting and a Gros setting... Was I imagining that? As I cant find them in Mulch anywhere? Mark -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --bcaec554db9eec5ad104ba6c8308 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 1:44 PM, paul <phaslem@wightman.ca>= wrote:

Hey, could you ex= plain how to sync echoloop in Bidule?

Yes I have s= econd that request, Im not personally using Bidule, but=20 trying to make a simple looping patch in Mulch that is probably pretty=20 simerlar.
Int the txt doc that comes with Echoloop it says.

=A0"Multitracking" and BrotherSync
We think it brings a lot of flexibility if "Tracks" are separate= =20 instances of the Loop plugin. Soon we will offer a new system to sync=20 and operate them together.
In Bidule, BrotherSync is possible. Its just clumsy, because after=20 starting it up, one has to set each plugins' sync to off and then to th= e other plugin again. In other hosts its necessary to set a tempo in the=20 host and then sync to that. I hope this can evolve...

My questions are so when using 2 instances of the plugin, how is it intende= d that they sync together?
Is it that the midi in goes to the midi in on one plug in then the midi=20 out to the midi in on the second plug.. one set to in, two set to out?
or
that the midi on goes to both plugs both set to out... or in?

Thats just to have dual operation, but what of this "synch to Host=20 option" does this work? in which case, is it just to set both to Host?=

I am also trying a Abelton version, but havent got there yet (reading=20 closely the recent Per and Phil thread (or is that this thread=20 actually))
I too would like that Abelton Live template Ricky??? Pretty Please?
But I have another question.. does anyone notice the pre-configured setting= s in Live?
I spotted a Boysen setting a Las Fosse setting a Butler setting and a=20 Gros setting... Was I imagining that? As I cant find them in Mulch=20 anywhere?

Mark
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Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--bcaec554db9eec5ad104ba6c8308-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 16:06:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0F0C18345E; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 16:06:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.101.176.14 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.101.176.14; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.101.176.14 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=perboysen@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=perboysen@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=nah3j/QxC/zXVVNWKwiywrKr4MNCAAp6OQcBA8/CzI0=; b=ehzWEeikwJ/sOp1J/vkMPeaWlK0GfFauyImBMQiu3ZMafnJx4SQIh+wjpxugSyPvPU 3t0Y8/YDKL3mBbJ03fHDolvfsiSK7QBhRk4GiyPbOpfVOuZvvt1VKxu57Knojg2rpI+o zS5AaRf1n2WYE4KTHfs5GhbflC/VTSUOdIy361IADesRJnmB4WOt8kybb/ILxlbNhbCS 7p7iYOAwAIzOeFnP5muNy3pkwUlBEKZwQmTgAULXVLczjBHt7CGiD4g8NfkSUdoHkmJK MRyu6rEMp9eAqvZYZmGlTWMTOQWhE2A4Q+T7sT6CA1yNJExI1xWMes755E6ltd4FeBsd rNmA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <36EFCE7D-2601-4369-90C6-3ADB078B57AC@gmail.com> <23528580-7B79-412B-B360-04CDC711A130@gmail.com> <4F5339E3.4010708@tiscali.co.uk> <20120304124451.40FEDD3FB9@server01.clifford.wightman.ca> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 17:06:50 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 16:06:51 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 4:31 PM, mark francombe wrote: > My questions are so when using 2 instances of the plugin, how is it intended > that they sync together? > Is it that the midi in goes to the midi in on one plug in then the midi out > to the midi in on the second plug.. one set to in, two set to out? > or > that the midi on goes to both plugs both set to out... or in? Just want to through in an attempt to clear up the thinking here: A) Either you sync all plugins (including the looper instances) to the same tempo source, which i.e. is the host here. B) Or you sync the looper plugins to each other (first decide on which on to be the master). A or B is it. One would not do both. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 17:16:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B736218345A; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 17:16:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 12:16:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller In-Reply-To: References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <36EFCE7D-2601-4369-90C6-3ADB078B57AC@gmail.com> <23528580-7B79-412B-B360-04CDC711A130@gmail.com> <4F5339E3.4010708@tiscali.co.uk> <20120304124451.40FEDD3FB9@server01.clifford.wightman.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20120304171629.03603D3ED0@server01.clifford.wightman.ca> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 17:16:31 +0000 (UTC) I hope to have time later today to sit and try and go this again. my goal was to have three instances of the plugin, set A to be the master and and B and C to sync to it. I did set A as the master and then ran a midi link direct to B and C and set them as slaves but the loops didn't sync with A so I'm obviously not doing something quite right. I'll read up on these answers and see if I can get it to work today, but you think I need to have midi yoke in there somewhere? Thanks Paul Haslem At 11:06 AM 3/4/2012, you wrote: >On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 4:31 PM, mark francombe wrote: > > My questions are so when using 2 instances of the plugin, how is > it intended > > that they sync together? > > Is it that the midi in goes to the midi in on one plug in then the midi out > > to the midi in on the second plug.. one set to in, two set to out? > > or > > that the midi on goes to both plugs both set to out... or in? > > >Just want to through in an attempt to clear up the thinking here: > >A) Either you sync all plugins (including the looper instances) to the >same tempo source, which i.e. is the host here. > >B) Or you sync the looper plugins to each other (first decide on which >on to be the master). > >A or B is it. One would not do both. > >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen >www.perboysen.com >http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 18:03:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA474183462; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 18:03:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 739068441/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.19.184/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.19.184 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsUDAHmtU09YbRO4/2dsb2JhbAAMN7NGA4QJAQEBBDgRLxELGAkWDwkDAgECAUUZAwG+aospghKDIgSbDIVShHKCYw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,530,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="739068441" Message-ID: <4F53AE7B.3040209@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 18:03:39 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <36EFCE7D-2601-4369-90C6-3ADB078B57AC@gmail.com> <23528580-7B79-412B-B360-04CDC711A130@gmail.com> <4F5339E3.4010708@tiscali.co.uk> <20120304124451.40FEDD3FB9@server01.clifford.wightman.ca> <20120304171629.03603D3ED0@server01.clifford.wightman.ca> In-Reply-To: <20120304171629.03603D3ED0@server01.clifford.wightman.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 18:03:26 +0000 (UTC) Paul, you have to decide which method you want to use for sync. but either way, the master is Sync=Out. If you use the Bidule host sync you don't need midi cables. andy paul wrote: > I hope to have time later today to sit and try and go this again. my > goal was to have three instances of the plugin, set A to be the master > and and B and C to sync to it. I did set A as the master and then ran a > midi link direct to B and C and set them as slaves but the loops didn't > sync with A so I'm obviously not doing something quite right. > > I'll read up on these answers and see if I can get it to work today, but > you think I need to have midi yoke in there somewhere? > > Thanks > > Paul Haslem > > > > > > At 11:06 AM 3/4/2012, you wrote: >> On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 4:31 PM, mark francombe >> wrote: >> > My questions are so when using 2 instances of the plugin, how is it >> intended >> > that they sync together? >> > Is it that the midi in goes to the midi in on one plug in then the >> midi out >> > to the midi in on the second plug.. one set to in, two set to out? >> > or >> > that the midi on goes to both plugs both set to out... or in? >> >> >> Just want to through in an attempt to clear up the thinking here: >> >> A) Either you sync all plugins (including the looper instances) to the >> same tempo source, which i.e. is the host here. >> >> B) Or you sync the looper plugins to each other (first decide on which >> on to be the master). >> >> A or B is it. One would not do both. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 18:03:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E34E183466; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 18:03:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 736140093/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.19.184/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.19.184 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsUDAHmtU09YbRO4/2dsb2JhbAAMN7NGA4QJAQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYd+tmyLKYISgyIEmwyKRIJj X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,530,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="736140093" Message-ID: <4F53AE8C.2010708@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 18:03:56 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <36EFCE7D-2601-4369-90C6-3ADB078B57AC@gmail.com> <23528580-7B79-412B-B360-04CDC711A130@gmail.com> <4F5339E3.4010708@tiscali.co.uk> <20120304124451.40FEDD3FB9@server01.clifford.wightman.ca> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 18:03:42 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe wrote: > My questions are so when using 2 instances of the plugin, how is it > intended that they sync together? > Is it that the midi in goes to the midi in on one plug in then the midi > out to the midi in on the second plug.. one set to in, two set to out? > or > that the midi on goes to both plugs both set to out... or in? Well, you *could* do it that way. It's an alternative route to syncing. If Mulch doesn't do that host-sync business, this is an equally good method. > > > Thats just to have dual operation, but what of this "synch to Host > option" does this work? in which case, is it just to set both to Host? Set Master to Sync=Out Slave to Sync= Host-In > > I am also trying a Abelton version, but havent got there yet (reading > closely the recent Per and Phil thread (or is that this thread actually)) > I too would like that Abelton Live template Ricky??? Pretty Please? > But I have another question.. does anyone notice the pre-configured > settings in Live? > I spotted a Boysen setting a Las Fosse setting a Butler setting and a > Gros setting... Was I imagining that? those are vst preset names. As yet, I don't think they actually do anything, but it's a nice idea that Matt had. maybe a Francombe preset? >As I cant find them in Mulch anywhere? hmm, if Mulch supports vst presets then they should be visible somewhere. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 18:26:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8714B183461; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 18:26:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mattdavignon@gmail.com designates 10.182.121.101 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.182.121.101; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mattdavignon@gmail.com designates 10.182.121.101 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mattdavignon@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=mattdavignon@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ttUNYDFytvEfW0ncuNNv+DAtXOwlqS4w9KJlnVm/li0=; b=0MN3gPwpf+jBfvt530NQNBUCKPhEpegfMIT3IB3QfFTKUVTXxSiY/EfmK5e92M7c5y 8ksJz+Wn3FRffgZUF4xe5cmjR9uBNrVnEiVk8YhODDlvN9yCivWRzvXD+trIsK6DP61I 3tzp/Xmjlq7GivD8O278dFxaqHKmB5F8E5uz3zpdXJzj5/+oBCgXl8czo7i4zoB2cMS4 bNY87NFoFTIZG4hiay9uhDW+GAROlxqcPGHQ+Sa5HMGP+gePGi70VVcdwUJxygmO9pER D55MiMEmL9XbzVwNm/o5+7beFMivUoF3ZNL8AjQWT1bdkl5c+9701NvQCLVkfPEY0hS2 eFeg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <-5920747852780507201@unknownmsgid> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 10:26:20 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Follow up of "Dog Peed On My Keyboard" From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 18:26:21 +0000 (UTC) Yes - to my experience they frequently do. On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 8:48 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > Do pitch bend wheels normally have a sort of greese/lube in them? > > On Mar 3, 2012 12:24 AM, "mark francombe" wrote: >> >> you have 3 options. >> 1. do it. grab camera take photos photos photos... and continue to >> dissemble... >> 2. clean what to can see... get pure alcohol from chemist... and Qtips ans >> see what yo can do by poking >> 3. take to expert >> >> I'd go for 2 then re- evaluate the situation... >> >> Sent from my (advertisement removed) >> >> On 3 Mar 2012, at 04:25, kay'lon rushing wrote: >> >> l havent used my Axiom keyboard since the day i found out. It's partially >> disassembled right now but the circuit boards have so many screws and non >> detatchable cables it feels a little too risky to move further. Not to >> mention that I know little to nothing about the inner anatomy of keyboards. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 19:10:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 071F7183461; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 19:10:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of phil.clevenger@gmail.com designates 10.50.186.230 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.50.186.230; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of phil.clevenger@gmail.com designates 10.50.186.230 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=phil.clevenger@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=phil.clevenger@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=QtVz3iZi2U1yl0k1VK1bk8Ij6bQSktTghof1cxO7DrM=; b=gwmGOzI+uhrWYjX1mC28FtXz0XWm2frVFmaQOjgQQip7cqJ8H/AJqHT26gf6JxJSP1 XS0P0rnr/kQNEVPtx2t2Qb77wBVFkQWDHBxFNVPB4ymO8nQtqi90vjN7wOroBCVtnI6V 16nZmBulra2DYvs57mKbkynvl1ipsb2/HFzBcZOaL6myYgTfNQPGnoLKFuSjwEPkDDgO i+9edSwW+f1lCxQovHUU3GWTAMNh0ido6lGOgItOsDX4jkIFJbPPHdBHV3iIYXa7kZc7 2kqDdUp4KuaCrJF27lKJmCz6yObpDgx+0T/5QeUBx9/mdZkYzMQV53U04qoQMX4fUoa+ 3UTA== From: Phil Clevenger Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-393674214 Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 11:09:52 -0800 In-Reply-To: <4F53AE8C.2010708@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <36EFCE7D-2601-4369-90C6-3ADB078B57AC@gmail.com> <23528580-7B79-412B-B360-04CDC711A130@gmail.com> <4F5339E3.4010708@tiscali.co.uk> <20120304124451.40FEDD3FB9@server01.clifford.wightman.ca> <4F53AE8C.2010708@tiscali.co.uk> Message-Id: <9A8780D7-E179-4D2A-86AD-C9A4CEA7C3C0@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 19:10:04 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-393674214 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mar 4, 2012, at 10:03 AM, andy butler wrote: > As yet, I don't think they actually do anything, but Yes that is a bank of presets in the VST, certainly visible in Ableton. = And they are in fact empty, all equally so :) Some observations to share: You can rename any preset in that bank by clicking the name and pressing = Cmd-R. Once presets have actual content and new names etc that one wants to = save, I found only two ways to do that: 1) clicking the floppy disc icon = (do all those Ableton kids even know what that is?) to save the entire = bank of presets out as a reloadable data file; and 2) to save the Live = Set file with an instance of the plugin that has your personalized = banks, in a track. Thereafter, when you open that set, the plugin = instance in that track will have your personalized settings. BUT, if you = drag the plugin from the panel it will again revert to the empty LaFosse = etc bank. I know some plugins (Beat Repeat, AutoFilter etc) allow saving a fresh = instance of the plugin into the panel, with all settings and a fresh = name, for later recall, but Echoloop does not appear to. Finally, I have found no way to access those presets via MIDI to change = them on the fly. I do this easily with the EDP, for instance, to change = quantize settings (saved presets with different Quant settings), but = does not seem available in the VST plugin. Phil :)= --Apple-Mail-1-393674214 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
As yet, I = don't think they actually do anything, = but

Yes that is a = bank of presets in the VST, certainly visible in Ableton. And they are = in fact empty, all equally so :)

Some = observations to share:

You can rename any = preset in that bank by clicking the name and pressing = Cmd-R.

Once presets have actual content and new = names etc that one wants to save, I found only two ways to do that: 1) = clicking the floppy disc icon (do all those Ableton kids even know what = that is?) to save the entire bank of presets out as a reloadable data = file; and 2) to save the Live Set file with an instance of the plugin = that has your personalized banks, in a track. Thereafter, when you open = that set, the plugin instance in that track will have your personalized = settings. BUT, if you drag the plugin from the panel it will again = revert to the empty LaFosse etc bank.

I know = some plugins (Beat Repeat, AutoFilter etc) allow saving a fresh instance = of the plugin into the panel, with all settings and a fresh name, for = later recall, but Echoloop does not appear = to.

Finally, I have found no way to access = those presets via MIDI to change them on the fly. I do this easily with = the EDP, for instance, to change quantize settings (saved presets with = different Quant settings), but does not seem available in the VST = plugin.

Phil :)
= --Apple-Mail-1-393674214-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 20:32:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C56DC183460; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 20:32:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.152.130.234 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.152.130.234; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.152.130.234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=markfrancombe@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=markfrancombe@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=MH0m4BAcGmQTkjHz22sIjfuImiVLJig0/WXDuCpZgHY=; b=gHqHPOtfr3ivsp1Sguqms+GhOw4ZhqlaQ06W0SkwTdNkrE3gt4Ljmk8lZb3Q7IypCA aJF4WGQ6TDZhDmzeDr7lEqQQkhFR/9rl9y5TnmqrMT68yGIAy6JM8EMvsAzWDyx0Tzm1 iWWwwJ/7YvTX5Ow567H3wyWF9BmQBKTxVYWuMuQjNg9IIz2ngLOFARTcMtrvg65hKijK KPw1lJ/EML9b3I8DfW6sJLUR+27jpTdAvixcKBcZTGp3xnVsZ7VpCVCXgm41/QElJuxU m2JP1Zr6G+AgISFOt+Ejlmwae9m54GHbBWXfst7R8ZAfVm7evrvkmuKqynxPXAc7o8Y3 43tw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <9A8780D7-E179-4D2A-86AD-C9A4CEA7C3C0@gmail.com> References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <36EFCE7D-2601-4369-90C6-3ADB078B57AC@gmail.com> <23528580-7B79-412B-B360-04CDC711A130@gmail.com> <4F5339E3.4010708@tiscali.co.uk> <20120304124451.40FEDD3FB9@server01.clifford.wightman.ca> <4F53AE8C.2010708@tiscali.co.uk> <9A8780D7-E179-4D2A-86AD-C9A4CEA7C3C0@gmail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 21:32:36 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: TUzxyv3H7oQg3pnt2uRob5-YHxA Message-ID: Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042c5ec70180d004ba70b7b7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 20:32:57 +0000 (UTC) --f46d042c5ec70180d004ba70b7b7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 OK, Mulch: Well I managed to get 2 Echoloop instances to work in Mulch and I THINK its synching to the host. I cant quite tell, because the least amount of latency I can get it down to is 256 samples, it says thats 5.4ms, but feels more like 50. So now I remember the other reason I dont loop on a lappy.. crap soundcard.. no money to buy new one... Abelton Live: thx for the template Ricky: It worked out of the box, and is why I would prefer THAT host, so I can "program" EDP messages on the sequencer, like I do in hardware. AND the latency could be brought down to 14 samples, which weirdly also said 5.4 ms, but this time didnt feel too bad... However, just one tweak... this was assuming a midi channel of 1, I use 16 for my EDPs .. and I cant see where you change that... if I change the midi ch on the plugin, it doesnt work from the midi clip anymore. And this is because I hope to get midi in from my pedal to affect the plugin too. It works in Mulch If I set the MidiCh and BtnNo correctly... but even if I do it in Abelton too (and lose the clip function due to previous issue, I get no midi from my pedal..) m -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d042c5ec70180d004ba70b7b7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK,
Mulch:
Well I managed to get 2 Echoloop instances to work in Mulc= h and I THINK its synching to the host. I cant quite tell, because the leas= t amount of latency I can get it down to is 256 samples, it says thats 5.4m= s, but feels more like 50. So now I remember the other reason I dont loop o= n a lappy.. crap soundcard.. no money to buy new one...
Abelton Live: thx for the template Ricky: It worked out of the box, and is = why I would prefer THAT host, so I can "program" EDP messages on = the sequencer, like I do in hardware.=A0 AND the latency could be brought d= own to 14 samples, which weirdly also said 5.4 ms, but this time didnt feel= too bad...
However, just one tweak... this was assuming a midi channel of 1, I use 16 = for my EDPs .. and I cant see where you change that... if I change the midi= ch on the plugin, it doesnt work from the midi clip anymore.

And this is because I hope to get midi in from my pedal to affect the plugi= n too. It works in Mulch If I set the MidiCh and BtnNo correctly... but eve= n if I do it in Abelton too (and lose the clip function due to previous iss= ue, I get no midi from my pedal..)

m

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www.markfrancombe.com
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http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--f46d042c5ec70180d004ba70b7b7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 20:53:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 653AB18345E; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 20:53:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of phil.clevenger@gmail.com designates 10.68.196.201 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.68.196.201; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of phil.clevenger@gmail.com designates 10.68.196.201 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=phil.clevenger@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=phil.clevenger@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=u7pzv+Y72E/AQo16NdbRr3fTAYthugGnsVxcNVNqvko=; b=BXIaro37sGnKir34V0pFX5XGdg64KgGmKQZ8HJKMjl0o28QeOiYx/N0zsvsoLMKxE9 h/Hkyfd01U242L+EsoB/pJNhPzio647R2OsQfWY8yDyoOzbqDgXbr2fziQWCFVfKsF2e +rbJxdfoLSPaVv+i1wYh6X+33HZeeTVhqytbq3Q+eyRvsnn7TEskCCj4mnm9wiy9knUG +fWZYJRgTU13aCtnQD8bCJYWtSMGGbZTnviMSgJcIib7a+ssFWekQAo3iDYAJh1u/VLK 1oUKoAHpjUwvCfbFKykp8nukYBdJJfrA4RfQNq3Vv+bVaNom3sn2Z+34kUpbDO4y0sHh IIOA== From: Phil Clevenger Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-399898504 Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 12:53:36 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <36EFCE7D-2601-4369-90C6-3ADB078B57AC@gmail.com> <23528580-7B79-412B-B360-04CDC711A130@gmail.com> <4F5339E3.4010708@tiscali.co.uk> <20120304124451.40FEDD3FB9@server01.clifford.wightman.ca> <4F53AE8C.2010708@tiscali.co.uk> <9A8780D7-E179-4D2A-86AD-C9A4CEA7C3C0@gmail.com> Message-Id: <07A408D7-F742-4190-85BA-E0C397D03066@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 20:53:44 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-399898504 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mar 4, 2012, at 12:32 PM, mark francombe wrote: > And this is because I hope to get midi in from my pedal to affect the = plugin too. It works in Mulch If I set the MidiCh and BtnNo correctly... = but even if I do it in Abelton too (and lose the clip function due to = previous issue, I get no midi from my pedal..) I am successfully getting commands to the VST in Ableton from my LG, = using Note On/Note Off pairs, commands routed through my MOTU Traveler. = Sending on Channel 2, but the plugin BtnCh parameter seems to have no = affect. As long as the MIDI is routed to the plugin in the way we have = been discussing, the plugin seems to take the commands regardless of the = BtnCh value. This made me curious as to how to manage multiple instances = of the plugin, but not curious enough to try it ;) Phil :) --Apple-Mail-2-399898504 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
And this is = because I hope to get midi in from my pedal to affect the plugin too. It = works in Mulch If I set the MidiCh and BtnNo correctly... but even if I = do it in Abelton too (and lose the clip function due to previous issue, = I get no midi from my = pedal..)

I am = successfully getting commands to the VST in Ableton from my LG, using = Note On/Note Off pairs, commands routed through my MOTU Traveler. = Sending on Channel 2, but the plugin BtnCh parameter seems to have no = affect. As long as the MIDI is routed to the plugin in the way we have = been discussing, the plugin seems to take the commands regardless of the = BtnCh value. This made me curious as to how to manage multiple instances = of the plugin, but not curious enough to try it = ;)

Phil :)

= --Apple-Mail-2-399898504-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 20:56:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95069183461; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 20:56:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 739101763/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.19.184/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.19.184 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvcCAJvWU09YbRO4/2dsb2JhbAAMN7M6A4QJAQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYd+t3yLKYISgyIEmwyKRIJj X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,530,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="739101763" Message-ID: <4F53D6F1.8000408@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 20:56:17 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <36EFCE7D-2601-4369-90C6-3ADB078B57AC@gmail.com> <23528580-7B79-412B-B360-04CDC711A130@gmail.com> <4F5339E3.4010708@tiscali.co.uk> <20120304124451.40FEDD3FB9@server01.clifford.wightman.ca> <4F53AE8C.2010708@tiscali.co.uk> <9A8780D7-E179-4D2A-86AD-C9A4CEA7C3C0@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9A8780D7-E179-4D2A-86AD-C9A4CEA7C3C0@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 20:56:05 +0000 (UTC) Phil Clevenger wrote: > Finally, I have found no way to access those presets via MIDI to change > them on the fly. That's something the host would do. I don't know if Echoloop will respond directly if the midi commands are sent straight to it. It might. >I do this easily with the EDP, for instance, to change > quantize settings (saved presets with different Quant settings), but > does not seem available in the VST plugin. Those settings are made available to the host as parameters. andy > > Phil :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 21:16:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FE3C183460; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 21:16:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.152.147.202 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.152.147.202; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.152.147.202 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=markfrancombe@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=markfrancombe@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=GqdR1p4C5a3tJHvXoOxMHo7bBoiH7iluNIq1CKYt/YU=; b=yxbxDybKjk+7pKJotYlJOZEtLR/R4mkB2W0sRatAV/7pk39NYw0jGQWH2ozEwLGZuq G34PI7IZexhYKmI+NYPffNbRYVzxB9S5YnRNRYyLYJYUm0Oj6g0eGSA/4lfEbsdDoAqR j7fch7xYJ+oNZHejf26Q1b+l+FY+lGcND5VEUSALDYvlRvdUUU5yQ+XCQhGPWIiLdZ/V jo9RuzyNFajmEIdWHroSyLw3E+wcV3xSBTHDkAYIshFosKaDFL4LsvoNB6Jm8MACuRPz BrPjQfM67NCv9jCfSMwOkUvk0JbUYLJAHw/BDmN+u6w3TXW+UYWjwSnmz99HFpFvQ1bq sH4g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <07A408D7-F742-4190-85BA-E0C397D03066@gmail.com> References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <36EFCE7D-2601-4369-90C6-3ADB078B57AC@gmail.com> <23528580-7B79-412B-B360-04CDC711A130@gmail.com> <4F5339E3.4010708@tiscali.co.uk> <20120304124451.40FEDD3FB9@server01.clifford.wightman.ca> <4F53AE8C.2010708@tiscali.co.uk> <9A8780D7-E179-4D2A-86AD-C9A4CEA7C3C0@gmail.com> <07A408D7-F742-4190-85BA-E0C397D03066@gmail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 22:15:41 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: kNECtCM9bMkr0_44d4gJO7LR1RM Message-ID: Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f2353111655ca04ba7151c2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 21:16:02 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f2353111655ca04ba7151c2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > As long as the MIDI is routed to the plugin in the way we have been > discussing, the plugin seems to take the commands regardless of the BtnCh > value. This made me curious as to how to manage multiple instances of the > plugin, but not curious enough to try it ;) Well quite, I hadnt quite got that far, but Rickys template only works for me (as in the notes on his midi track) if the plugin is set to 1. But I am NOT getting any joy from my midi pedal (FCB1010) whatever the midi settings. Ihave "track" selected in the midi prefs (as per Pers suggestion-- heh heh been wanting to find a sentence where I could say as per Per..) So how CAN you use multiple instances? I use offset number 12 and 52, and this works flawlessly in Mulch.. so what DO we do in Live? -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --e89a8f2353111655ca04ba7151c2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Phil Cle= venger <ph= il.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
As long as the MIDI is routed to the plugin in the way we have been discuss= ing, the plugin seems to take the commands regardless of the BtnCh value. T= his made me curious as to how to manage multiple instances of the plugin, b= ut not curious enough to try it ;)

Well quite, I hadnt quite got that far, but Rickys template only w= orks for me (as in the notes on his midi track) if the plugin is set to 1. = But I am NOT getting any joy from my midi pedal (FCB1010) whatever the midi= settings. Ihave "track" selected in the midi prefs (as per Pers = suggestion-- heh heh been wanting to find a sentence where I could say as p= er Per..)

So how CAN you use multiple instances? I use offset number 12 and 52, a= nd this works flawlessly in Mulch.. so what DO we do in Live?

--
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www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
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http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
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--e89a8f2353111655ca04ba7151c2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 21:21:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B773183461; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 21:21:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of phil.clevenger@gmail.com designates 10.50.89.137 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.50.89.137; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of phil.clevenger@gmail.com designates 10.50.89.137 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=phil.clevenger@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=phil.clevenger@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=Xl5TNXzXIMyAo3DY7oHCyWO7MOHM1MEUJ+SMa0gqzdA=; b=HmMotUT0D6sTK81SfwxtqMtMqSnCpV2XVGUjpj3QpGE7C/4n35Fw07zLaESVr6iCrJ kSA8w8v21wRQPrNh0tyNITMzITsPLZa7TuTwVT33d6DSJGkjoxGcqt97IscHkFbOozdY HpsfpYO4vI0oSvIOliVfdGtiPciRZq+hj+bSGWKvn7g5U57K3AS4y4CTEJBQ6gexiESK 7sqahRc77JJa3oCza1gACD5+egUDComqAeL5G1iDK/PrBPbarEe7wdPW0sra3aBJx0Xv yfO1DKU0ZDpnjfIPK9xhszQAvsVvxMqafbH9v5vALWExfb/Wkddcp/CbOTaNiYpX/dRP 1/qg== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: <4F53D6F1.8000408@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:21:12 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3068A4C9-8E38-4EBF-91D3-AA6512FB0AF6@gmail.com> References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <36EFCE7D-2601-4369-90C6-3ADB078B57AC@gmail.com> <23528580-7B79-412B-B360-04CDC711A130@gmail.com> <4F5339E3.4010708@tiscali.co.uk> <20120304124451.40FEDD3FB9@server01.clifford.wightman.ca> <4F53AE8C.2010708@tiscali.co.uk> <9A8780D7-E179-4D2A-86AD-C9A4CEA7C3C0@gmail.com> <4F53D6F1.8000408@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 21:21:16 +0000 (UTC) Andy, Yes, of course in the latest version of the plug-in both the Quant state = and the Subcycles params are available to the host as plug-in params and = accessible in the Ableton "MIDI learn" state. And that's great if you want to access Quant state as a continuous = control (attractive IMO, only 5 settings), and the Subcycles values as a = continuous control (not so attractive, 127 possible settings, only a = handful of which may be interesting at any given time). I can set the CC range to a single value, say 16 for both min and max, = and can thereby call ONE value with the push of a button. But to go from = there to say 32 or 8 or 4 or 127 directly does not appear to be = possible. Only a single instance of the Sybcycle param is available, so = assigning different values to multiple instances is not possible. And as = we've already mentioned, direct access to a preset (for this example, a = preset bank containing various saved Subcycle settings) within a bank = does not seem to be possible either, whether via the host or direct = MIDI. Am I missing something here? Best, Phil :) On Mar 4, 2012, at 12:56 PM, andy butler wrote: > Phil Clevenger wrote: >=20 >> Finally, I have found no way to access those presets via MIDI to = change them on the fly.=20 >=20 > That's something the host would do. >=20 > I don't know if Echoloop will respond directly if the midi commands = are sent straight to it. It might. >=20 >> I do this easily with the EDP, for instance, to change quantize = settings (saved presets with different Quant settings), but does not = seem available in the VST plugin. >=20 > Those settings are made available to the host as parameters. >=20 > andy >=20 >=20 >> Phil :) >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 21:21:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0632183462; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 21:21:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 729558396/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.19.184/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.19.184 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvcCAHbcU09YbRO4/2dsb2JhbAAMN7M6A4QJAQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRQYBFQG/fosphTQEmwyKRIJj X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,530,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="729558396" Message-ID: <4F53DD00.9070806@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:22:08 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <23528580-7B79-412B-B360-04CDC711A130@gmail.com> <4F5339E3.4010708@tiscali.co.uk> <20120304124451.40FEDD3FB9@server01.clifford.wightman.ca> <4F53AE8C.2010708@tiscali.co.uk> <9A8780D7-E179-4D2A-86AD-C9A4CEA7C3C0@gmail.com> <07A408D7-F742-4190-85BA-E0C397D03066@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <07A408D7-F742-4190-85BA-E0C397D03066@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 21:21:54 +0000 (UTC) oh, this is one for Matt. Phil Clevenger wrote: > > On Mar 4, 2012, at 12:32 PM, mark francombe wrote: > >> And this is because I hope to get midi in from my pedal to affect the >> plugin too. It works in Mulch If I set the MidiCh and BtnNo >> correctly... but even if I do it in Abelton too (and lose the clip >> function due to previous issue, I get no midi from my pedal..) > > > I am successfully getting commands to the VST in Ableton from my LG, > using Note On/Note Off pairs, commands routed through my MOTU Traveler. > Sending on Channel 2, but the plugin BtnCh parameter seems to have no > affect. As long as the MIDI is routed to the plugin in the way we have > been discussing, the plugin seems to take the commands regardless of the > BtnCh value. This made me curious as to how to manage multiple instances > of the plugin, but not curious enough to try it ;) > > Phil :) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 21:55:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 044DA183460; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 21:55:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 734759268/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.19.184/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.19.184 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvcCAH/jU09YbRO4/2dsb2JhbAAMN7M6A4QJAQEBAwE4QQULCxgJJQ8CRhQIAYd+uASLKYISgyIEmwyKRIJj X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,530,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="734759268" Message-ID: <4F53E4A7.30700@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:54:47 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <36EFCE7D-2601-4369-90C6-3ADB078B57AC@gmail.com> <23528580-7B79-412B-B360-04CDC711A130@gmail.com> <4F5339E3.4010708@tiscali.co.uk> <20120304124451.40FEDD3FB9@server01.clifford.wightman.ca> <4F53AE8C.2010708@tiscali.co.uk> <9A8780D7-E179-4D2A-86AD-C9A4CEA7C3C0@gmail.com> <4F53D6F1.8000408@tiscali.co.uk> <3068A4C9-8E38-4EBF-91D3-AA6512FB0AF6@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3068A4C9-8E38-4EBF-91D3-AA6512FB0AF6@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0B9-FC.A.YxD.6S-UPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 21:55:06 +0000 (UTC) Phil Clevenger wrote: > Andy, > > Yes, of course in the latest version of the plug-in both the Quant state and the Subcycles params are available to the host as plug-in params and accessible in the Ableton "MIDI learn" state. well if we're talking Ableton and the dreaded "midi learn" I dunnow ;-) Really, all a vst host has to do is pass midi directly to a plugin, then the user can do anything they want by configuring their midi controller. There's a number of host developers out there who are set against this however. If I get time I'll have a good look at Ableton and how to run Echoloop it...but I'm sure it worked easily in an earlier version of Ableton...without touching "midi learn" at all. > Only a single instance of the Sybcycle param is available, strange indeed...Ableton weirdness ?? It's possible there's simply a bug in the Echoloop. I don't have time to check, but it should be possible to use different midi Channels. If it isn't, then Matt will sort it. Would it all start working for you if this is the case? andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 21:58:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1EAD18345A; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 21:58:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 478 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:58:23 UTC X-Originating-IP: [174.253.218.100] X-Originating-Email: [deafrose58@hotmail.com] Message-ID: To: , Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IHNvIGxvbmcgLS0gYW5kIGZ1cnRoZXIgb2ZmIHRvcGljLg==?= Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2_1330897817555" From: Jeremy devros X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Mar 2012 21:50:24.0099 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD9F2B30:01CCFA50] Date: 4 Mar 2012 13:50:24 -0800 Resent-Message-ID: <9mhZUB.A.p5D._V-UPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 21:58:23 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_2_1330897817555 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Revfever" To: Subject: so long -- and further off topic. Date: Sat=2C Mar 3=2C 2012 10:45 pm Indeed. Good idea. And=2C also worker-owned businesses and companies and keeping as much money as possible in the local economy and local credit unions and local smaller banks=2C etc We have a sizable number of these types of things here in Portlandia. There will likely be more to come. Along with a resurgence in more union organizing. T he quicker that the fat cats get put on a "strict diet"=2C the better everyone else will be. BTW=2C my previously saying "got any 'better' ideas" was meant to be sarcasm towards the current Kapitalist "system" we are all under the thumb of. But=2C perhaps you previously understood what I was really meaning by saying it that way? :-) (and yes=2C I just like to spell Capitalism with a "K" just for silly fun. :-) ) Cheers- Rev.Fever Portlandia http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult On Mar 3=2C 2012=2C at 10:08 PM=2C Gareth Whittock wrote: > Here's abetter idea. Co-operatives. Capitalism where the people who > work for the business share the profits. Goodbye massive inflated > wages for the few at the top and hello fairness. > I reckon it's a better system - and it works. You are more likely > to do a better job with more enthusiasm and commitment when you > know you're going to benefit. > > Just my tuppence worth > > peace > > Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > > From: revfever@ubergadget.com > Subject: Re: so long -- and further off topic. > Date: Sat=2C 3 Mar 2012 17:11:22 -0800 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > > > Welcome to "free" market "free" Kapitalism! Got any "better" > ideas? > > Cheers- > Rev.Fever > Portlandia > http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1 > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2 > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult > > ------=_Part_2_1330897817555 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"

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From: "=3BRevfever"=3B <=3Brevfever@ubergadget.com>=3B
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Subject: so long -- and further off topic.
Date: Sat=2C Mar 3=2C 2012 10:45 pm

Indeed. Good idea. And=2C also worker-o= wned businesses and companies and keeping as much money as possible in the = local economy =3Band local credit unions and local smaller banks=2C etc= =3BWe have a sizable number of these types of things here in Portlandia. There will likely be more to come. Along with a resurg= ence in more union organizing.

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he quicker that the fat cats get put on a "=3Bstrict diet"=3B= =2C the better everyone else will be.

=3B

BTW=2C my previously saying "=3Bgot any 'better' ideas"=3B was= meant to be sarcasm towards the current Kapitalist "=3Bsystem"=3B = we are all under the thumb of. =3B

But=2C perhaps you previously understood what I was really meaning by = saying it that way? :-) (and yes=2C I just like to spell Capitalism with a = "=3BK"=3B just for silly fun. :-) )

Cheers-

Rev.Fever

Portlandia

http://www.spiritone.com/~rvf= ever

http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/el= emental1

http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/el= emental2

http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult

On Mar 3=2C 2012=2C at 10:08 PM=2C Gareth Whittock wrote:

Here's abetter idea. Co-operatives. Capitalism where the p= eople who work for the business share the profits. Goodbye massive inflated= wages for the few at the top and hello fairness.
I reckon it's a better system - and it works. You are more likely to d= o a better job with more enthusiasm and commitment when you know you're goi= ng to benefit.

Just my tuppence worth

peace

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist:&nb= sp=3B garet= hwhittock.co.uk

From: revfever@ubergadget.com
Subject: Re: so long -- and further off topic.
Date: Sat=2C 3 Mar 2012 17:11:22 -0800
To: Loopers-Delight@= loopers-delight.com

=3B&n= bsp=3BWelcome to "=3Bfree"=3B market "=3Bfree"=3B Kapitalis= m! =3B =3BGot any "=3Bbetter"=3B ideas?

Che= ers-

Rev= .Fever

Por= tlandia

http://www.spi= ritone.com/~rvfever

http://www.c= dbaby.com/cd/elemental1

http://www.c= dbaby.com/cd/elemental2

http://www.cdbaby= .com/cd/skult

------=_Part_2_1330897817555-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 22:04:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C090818345E; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 22:04:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=l5KLtetxT85hzP3c8gBkJg5j2/GjxfUMIvuNt7RJDkI=; b=taxEOCkkxIQQw6OPUVeukxT8/LIu+wZ3/YDX3csUuRe2PXvmXY59avnqU6GYvKfZLG ZiCpds7DaFfcc1bsmcRTn47nSXhDUHy7UbnG0uU4PthDiF0zt+SB+7ofRtDQRVH5cuI3 OWklyKDTXAPqokvMCtxA8s2s4KaZdOrD2IyDJF+tAmWIuO7x7cTzuE6FbY2uqbqb7GAi StvyGSueY8k8ewg49v7KnV9h57eR3Ky8sXpJj1RTYYhCRqjdU5RVy9kU6jf/UHBdC7Dy wXwKvcyKFd3ttPrzU20K7a5xhK3Aie8/ts9mrdW7VEUX6dTESoTllg75sr2GxzHvjJRe X0/A== Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 14:04:13 -0800 Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <219FF032-5792-42A8-B9CD-57D21675D82D@gmail.com> References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <36EFCE7D-2601-4369-90C6-3ADB078B57AC@gmail.com> <23528580-7B79-412B-B360-04CDC711A130@gmail.com> To: Phil Clevenger X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 22:04:24 +0000 (UTC) And synch is now working well. There seems to be a small hiccup between = when I say "jump" and Echoloop says "how high," and that was creating = perception of lack of synch. Adjusting the track delay in Ableton to = some 15-30 ms seems to make it all work out. Phil :) On Mar 3, 2012, at 4:37 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > Ricky, it's probably user error ;) >=20 > That is in fact what my settings are, but who knows what I am doing = wrong... one thing at a time, I'm just happy the plug-in is running :D >=20 > Phil :) >=20 >=20 > On Mar 3, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: >=20 >> Sync works fine. Select "In Host" and quantize where appropriate. I = use cycle :) >>=20 >> On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Phil Clevenger >> wrote: >>> Christopher, >>>=20 >>> It was both, plus another hour or two of fiddling about with the LG = to get the commands from there to the plugin. >>>=20 >>> Ricky's template is a self-running demo. Click the 'Play" button in = the clip in the first track. Then look at the piano roll for that clip - = it's an ascending scale, one note per beat. In that track's "MIDI To" = section, it shoudl be routing to "2-Audio" and from there to Echoloop = (which is placed in the 2-Audio track). If it is not that way already, = make it so. >>>=20 >>> So with the clip in Track 1 playing, scoot over to track 2 and open = Echoloop's interface. WIth or without audio, you should see that = Echoloop is going nuts, doing one thing after another, as the first = track sends the notes. >>>=20 >>> Per's advice helped when I got home and wanted to send MIDI commands = from my LG rather than that MIDI clip. I reflexively assumed I needed to = set up the LG as the "MIDI From" source, but Per specified that this = needs to be the audio interface... so when I changed that prefs setup = and the track settings to be listening to my MOTU audio interface, then = stuff started happening :) >>>=20 >>> Finally, I needed to mess around with the commands, and found that = Note On and Note Off for each command seemed to mostly do the job. >>>=20 >>> I am still wrestling with getting loops in Echoloop to synch well = with the Ableton host DAW, for some reason that is still evading me. = Plugin is set for 'HOST" sync but loops still seem to be all over the = place. WIll get it figured out eventually :) >>>=20 >>> Hope that helps Christopher. >>>=20 >>> Phil :) >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Mar 2, 2012, at 6:38 AM, Christopher Darrow wrote: >>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Was it Ricky's template or Per's explanation or both? In other = words, what'd you do that has it working perfectly now? >>>>=20 >>>> Ricky, might I also get a copy of that template? I'm hoping to make = more time for music next week and would like to check it out. >>>>=20 >>>> Thank you all! (Ricky, Per, Phil, Andy) >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Feb 29, 2012, at 2:15 AM, Phil Clevenger wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> Ricky, Per - >>>>>=20 >>>>> All is well - Echoloop is working as it should, all commands from = LG are heard and everything behaves wonderfully. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Very best, >>>>>=20 >>>>> Phil :) >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Feb 28, 2012, at 12:52 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> Ended up grilling it with some vegetables. A good choice. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Glad the set works. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> R >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Phil Clevenger >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Wow - thanks so much Per and Ricky. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Ricky, your file tests well and perfectly illustrates the = solution. And I >>>>>>> bet your steak was delicious :) Can't wait to get home later and = do the real >>>>>>> work with incoming MIDI from the LG. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Per... THANK YOU ! Yes there is a reasonable explanation in the = abstract >>>>>>> about MIDI routing in the manual. And in the help, rollover and = panel-bound. >>>>>>> But this kind of application of MIDI command assignment is one I = have not >>>>>>> come across before, so it did not occur to me that this was a = *routing* >>>>>>> issue. I spent easily 8 hours poring over the old EDP assignment = texts, the >>>>>>> updated Echoloop assignment texts, Ableton's assignment texts in = the manual >>>>>>> and helps, searching LD and other internet forums, checking my = work in the >>>>>>> Gordius, engaging in some trial and error in case the manuals = were in any >>>>>>> way erroneous, trying out different MIDI pref settings, and so = on. Was not >>>>>>> at all sure this was an Ableton problem anyway... (meanwhile my = wife keeps >>>>>>> popping in and poking me for 'geeking out,' asking why I don;t = just 'pick up >>>>>>> the guitar and play some freaking songs...lol ) >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> SO you see I thought this to be an assignment or compatibility = issue, rather >>>>>>> than a routing issue. I could have spent another eight hours and = still not >>>>>>> found the explanation, because I was looking for the wrong = solution ! >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> And in the end, Per, your explanation is so much better than = those in >>>>>>> Ableton... For instance, read the text for the Track/Sync/Remote = prefs in >>>>>>> the rollover help, unless you are a MIDI pro they make little = sense. Your >>>>>>> explanation has helped me to grok that for the first time :D = Maybe you >>>>>>> should write their manuals :) >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> So huge thanks to you folks. I am sure there are others who will = also >>>>>>> benefit from this exchange here besides just me. What on earth = did we ever >>>>>>> do before the interweb? >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Phil :D >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Ricky Graham = >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Sent >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:55 PM, Ricky Graham >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> yep. just frying a steak. i will eat that steak. and then i = will send >>>>>>>>> on the ableton set to both of you. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> r >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Per Boysen = wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Phil Clevenger >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> And Per, regarding this: >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> "Instead you could set up a direct MIDI path into the = Echoloop and >>>>>>>>>>> feed it >>>>>>>>>>> directly from your external MIDI control gear. " >>>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>> Not sure what that means but it sounds damned sexy ! Can you = clarify? >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I took that for understood, as it is explained quite = well in >>>>>>>>>> the manual that comes with Live and also is included within = the >>>>>>>>>> application's GUI (the "Info View" box that can be kept open = in the >>>>>>>>>> lower left corner. Any object you hover the mouse pointer = over will be >>>>>>>>>> explained in that box) >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> There are two ways to pipe external MIDI directly into a = plugin hosted >>>>>>>>>> in Ableton Live. >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> 1) Set up the plugin to listen to a MIDI In port. >>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure Echoloop will let you do that, so let's skip = that for this >>>>>>>>>> time. >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> 2) Route incoming MIDI by Live's preferences settings and = Live's mixer >>>>>>>>>> into the Plugin. >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> MIDI comes in through the MIDI In port. Your MIDI interface's = MIDI >>>>>>>>>> ports will be visible in Live's preferences setting's "MIDI = Sync" tab. >>>>>>>>>> For piping a MIDI In port's data directly to a plugin (but = through a >>>>>>>>>> Track) you need to set this MIDI In port as active for = "Track" (there >>>>>>>>>> are also "Sync" and "Remote"). Then close the preferences = window and >>>>>>>>>> chose a MIDI Track in Live's mixer. In this track's input = slot you >>>>>>>>>> chose the appropriate MIDI In port (if you want you can = filter to pass >>>>>>>>>> only one MIDI channel here). Set the track's Monitor to "In" = (there >>>>>>>>>> are also "Auto" and "Off"). In the "MIDI To" slot select the = MIDI >>>>>>>>>> Track where you have opened the plugin. Now, you may regard = it tricky >>>>>>>>>> with an audio looping plugin hosted on a MIDI Track, how to = get your >>>>>>>>>> audio input into the looper? Well, in Live the usual routing = for that >>>>>>>>>> is to first use an Audio Track to fetch the signal from the = physical >>>>>>>>>> audio input then send that track (by its "Audio To" slot = addressing) >>>>>>>>>> to a Return Track. The good news here is that a Return = Track's output >>>>>>>>>> can send to both Audio and MIDI Track's inputs. >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> Happy looping! >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>> Per >>>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 22:12:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB0D7183460; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 22:12:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of phil.clevenger@gmail.com designates 10.68.129.228 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.68.129.228; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of phil.clevenger@gmail.com designates 10.68.129.228 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=phil.clevenger@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=phil.clevenger@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=23kx9LRMkHtWVVR1Wt7H8tXUlLbrJsSmbFRuxejI0AY=; b=KxqpBeCxbP7y2AHhEPJqAy5ZmXzQCiSHnIHP9XYXnuU2xDg/FX45715Fo5J2z3N0/J eTjfxaYNEmhwth6HfUOz49aXDksyF7S/gSNqRnFraDiQsZzeSULm10sTnqztxxIhoWIF fPGEqtRnCSKHN3jlzRhOi6GRSUIBs0BKaccdopDQzaaFRGS+IX+ryp1ICN7h1yEQ4Ass 5hYysrqeGN2RIUq28I1F7twkK2rr/UfW5emMFqOn3vxWf6RQ2fPZ8wxJKyt2qJpxOExX 5o6lqGBqGAp46G4NICt7U9tLJbiQjlJgKtcxW3qV8pT8UfRfIkbyVWdZCx3c8LqsrTIV KNdg== Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: <4F53E4A7.30700@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 14:12:48 -0800 Cc: Matthias Grob Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5FD8BE26-C68A-4DDB-9B6C-BA3C5591E515@gmail.com> References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <36EFCE7D-2601-4369-90C6-3ADB078B57AC@gmail.com> <23528580-7B79-412B-B360-04CDC711A130@gmail.com> <4F5339E3.4010708@tiscali.co.uk> <20120304124451.40FEDD3FB9@server01.clifford.wightman.ca> <4F53AE8C.2010708@tiscali.co.uk> <9A8780D7-E179-4D2A-86AD-C9A4CEA7C3C0@gmail.com> <4F53D6F1.8000408@tiscali.co.uk> <3068A4C9-8E38-4EBF-91D3-AA6512FB0AF6@gmail. com> <4F53E4A7.30700@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 22:12:53 +0000 (UTC) On Mar 4, 2012, at 1:54 PM, andy butler wrote: >=20 >=20 > Phil Clevenger wrote: >> Andy, >> Yes, of course in the latest version of the plug-in both the Quant = state and the Subcycles params are available to the host as plug-in = params and accessible in the Ableton "MIDI learn" state. >=20 > well if we're talking Ableton and the dreaded "midi learn" I dunnow = ;-) Nothing dreadful about MIDI learn in Ableton except that one is limited = to params that are visible in the UI (made available to the host). >=20 >=20 > Really, all a vst host has to do is pass midi directly to a plugin, > then the user can do anything they want by configuring their midi > controller. > There's a number of host developers out there who are set against this > however. >=20 > If I get time I'll have a good look at Ableton and how to run > Echoloop it...but I'm sure it worked easily in an earlier > version of Ableton...without touching "midi learn" at all. >=20 My impression was that the direct MIDI commands I was looking for were = just not available (used to get them through various combos of virtual = buttons on the EDP), so the missing params were made available in this = latest version of Echoloop. And they work great, as far as they go :) >=20 >> Only a single instance of the Sybcycle param is available,=20 >=20 > strange indeed...Ableton weirdness ?? Maybe, or maybe not. Nothing illogical or buggy about the way it works, = it just can't do what I am seeking to do :) >=20 >=20 > It's possible there's simply a bug in the Echoloop. > I don't have time to check, but it should be possible to use different = midi Channels. > If it isn't, then Matt will sort it. >=20 > Would it all start working for you if this is the case? >=20 >=20 I'm just trying to approximate the old EDP workflow of saving quantize = settings into presets, then recalling those presets on the fly. So = direct MIDI access to presets in the preset bank would work. Even = better, direct MIDI commands for the more common sybcycle values such as = 4, 8, 16, 32, etc, would be absolutely perfect :) Phil :) ps thanks for a fun geek-out Sunday :D= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 4 23:16:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E390F183454; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 23:16:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F53F7B6.2060206@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 15:16:07 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Thomas CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Paul Richards , bill bigrig Subject: Re: Re: so long -- and further off topic. References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 23:16:15 +0000 (UTC) On 3/3/12 2:16 PM, Daniel Thomas wrote: > *Sounds like Slavery to me. * Yeah, but who wants to pay tax on an iPhone and who has the cheapest price? rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 5 02:34:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C4EA183461; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 02:34:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:34:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller In-Reply-To: <4F53AE7B.3040209@tiscali.co.uk> References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <36EFCE7D-2601-4369-90C6-3ADB078B57AC@gmail.com> <23528580-7B79-412B-B360-04CDC711A130@gmail.com> <4F5339E3.4010708@tiscali.co.uk> <20120304124451.40FEDD3FB9@server01.clifford.wightman.ca> <20120304171629.03603D3ED0@server01.clifford.wightman.ca> <4F53AE7B.3040209@tiscali.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20120305023426.A3FBAD3EB5@server01.clifford.wightman.ca> Resent-Message-ID: <8BsJg.A.vXG.2YCVPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 02:34:30 +0000 (UTC) It's been a few months since the last time that I was able to sit down and experiment with echoloop, and it seems that my beta license has expired. Do you know if or when a paid for version will be offered? Thanks, Paul At 01:03 PM 3/4/2012, you wrote: >Paul, >you have to decide which method you want to use for sync. > >but either way, the master is Sync=Out. > >If you use the Bidule host sync you don't need midi cables. > >andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 5 05:05:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64CB2183461; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 05:05:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 05:05:37 UTC Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 22:05:34 -0600 (CST) From: rdwfour@verizon.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <23687265.2457939.1330920334829.JavaMail.root@vznit170136> Subject: Re: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Verizon Webmail X-Originating-IP: [71.252.130.101] Resent-Message-ID: <_Zez1D.A.zmH.imEVPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 05:05:38 +0000 (UTC)

I'd like to know as well, Rick

On 03/04/12, paul<phaslem@wightman.ca> wrote:

It's been a few months since the last time that I was able to sit
down and experiment with echoloop, and it seems that my beta license
has expired. Do you know if or when a paid for version will be offered?

Thanks,

Paul

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 5 05:23:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CB0F18345D; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 05:23:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=XwpJucNiSPnFpJRbk90xKKPfJ4GlhovAfPvnRsuYFas=; b=nEBWbW3fGeFZNZwkwUEKymY+XamOvV5oH64KvlgflXNDghekPg0qIWsj4flo5/+G7O btiIpjqiNaJNCPrukWS727f86wjpRGCibFTafC9NnmnjK5YnIm1+GexEZ8bW6KdxOu9g 68CMXvLipjyUwoLo4gX+dzpGr1KOVpb5UbRDFHXCeoqq7h4jaUQTUxu5jNqDVKJTXVzm 5KHoBDZCYNTIqi+z0OkiARaP+6vDICx/SqbzbPQLzmmCpMsss74vjYN0hbpAftl9OBdw 7IXxLnNsDzejPnNGt8yoUzDlqdPr6qNx1LXyeJXx1uH9dVMzGuCRjgVl1F2kB/7x4BKV Tzpw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3E05467E-C048-4CFC-AAFC-6623A0ED7707@mac.com> References: <59231747-9931-4319-B195-E6B1291D5120@gmail.com> <3E05467E-C048-4CFC-AAFC-6623A0ED7707@mac.com> From: Jean-Paul De Roover Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 00:23:07 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: RC-300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f3babbf47681204ba782036 Resent-Message-ID: <7jsV0C.A.p0H.Q3EVPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 05:23:28 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f3babbf47681204ba782036 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I've been fooling around with mine for a bit, and there are some features that ticked me off too. I mean, it's great that they've separated the record and stop/play functions - I can actually use that - but they got rid of undo/redo? I used to use that function as a 4th loop phrase. They also removed some of the basic guide tracks - like just hi hat sounds. Something like this was well used on my RC-50, and now that it's gone, I have to come up with some other ways of doing things. I haven't messed with the midi capabilities too heavily, but when I try to connect it via usb to my laptop to drag/drop files it takes forever! That, and you physically have to remove the cable in order for it to disconnect. Lots of great ideas, but some seriously basic flaws. I'll mess with it some more when I get back from tour, but I'm sticking to the RC-50 on the road. On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 1:52 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > I saw it at NAMM. Rico Loop demo-ed it for me... but he really knew very > little about the specifics and he didn't seem to want to discuss anything > with me. > > it's interesting. I like the 3 separate stop/record/play thing... no more > selecting... > the effects seem interesting, although, no reverb... but you can choose > pre loop or post loop efx, which can make for some interesting things, > especially with the pitch function. > > there's still no real click track sound and the guide track is still not > pannable so you still lose 2 outputs if you're using the click to send to a > drummer. I guess I didn't complain loud enough about those things > previously. > > no more tap tempo button.... weird. So you have to have an external tap > tempo if you want to do that. > > the exp pedal seems pretty useless. on the rc50 I am able to use an > external midi pedal to control the 'selected' loop's volume, which is VERY > handy... but now, there's no more selection, so that's gone... > > no one knows if it syncs better to other devices or if the midi clock > output is actually stable now. I tried to send midi clock to a boss > metronome from my rc50 and the metronome couldn't follow it, too > unstable... wow... geniuses > > I don't think I'm going to run out and buy one any time soon, but I would > like to mess with it more. > > the new pigtronix looper seems really cool and different. > > I know a lot of people who bought an RC300 hoping it would be a lot better > than the rc-50 and then sold it cause it wasn't enough of an improvement > over the RC-50. > by a lot I mean 3... > > Teddy > > > > On 9 Feb 2012, at 05:03, Joaquim Carvalho wrote: > > > >> Hi. > >> Has anyone that is familiar with the RC-50 tested the RC-300? > >> Joaquim > > > > -- Jean-Paul De Roover www.jeanpaulderoover.com (807) 251-3376 --e89a8f3babbf47681204ba782036 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been fooling around with mine for a bit, and there are some featur= es that ticked me off too.

I mean, it's great that t= hey've separated the record and stop/play functions - I can actually us= e that - but they got rid of undo/redo? I used to use that function as a 4t= h loop phrase.=A0

They also removed some of the basic guide tracks - like= just hi hat sounds. Something like this was well used on my RC-50, and now= that it's gone, I have to come up with some other ways of doing things= .=A0

I haven't messed with the midi capabilities too hea= vily, but when I try to connect it via usb to my laptop to drag/drop files = it takes forever! That, and you physically have to remove the cable in orde= r for it to disconnect.=A0

Lots of great ideas, but some seriously basic flaws. I&= #39;ll mess with it some more when I get back from tour, but I'm sticki= ng to the RC-50 on the road.=A0

On Sat, F= eb 11, 2012 at 1:52 AM, Teddy Kumpel <teddykumpel@mac.com> wrote:

I saw it at NAMM. Rico Loop demo-ed it for m= e... but he really knew very little about the specifics and he didn't s= eem to want to discuss anything with me.

it's interesting. I like the 3 separate stop/record/play thing... no mo= re selecting...
the effects seem interesting, although, no reverb... but you can choose pre= loop or post loop efx, which can make for some interesting things, especia= lly with the pitch function.

there's still no real click track sound and the guide track is still no= t pannable so you still lose 2 outputs if you're using the click to sen= d to a drummer. I guess I didn't complain loud enough about those thing= s previously.

no more tap tempo button.... weird. So you have to have an external tap tem= po if you want to do that.

the exp pedal seems pretty useless. on the rc50 I am able to use an externa= l midi pedal to control the 'selected' loop's volume, which is = VERY handy... but now, there's no more selection, so that's gone...=

no one knows if it syncs better to other devices or if the midi clock outpu= t is actually stable now. I tried to send midi clock to a boss metronome fr= om my rc50 and the metronome couldn't follow it, too unstable... wow...= geniuses

I don't think I'm going to run out and buy one any time soon, but I= would like to mess with it more.

the new pigtronix looper seems really cool and different.

I know a lot of people who bought an RC300 hoping it would be a lot better = than the rc-50 and then sold it cause it wasn't enough of an improvemen= t over the RC-50.
by a lot I mean 3...

Teddy

>
> On 9 Feb 2012, at 05:03, Joaquim Carvalho wrote:
>
>> Hi.
>> Has anyone that is familiar with the RC-50 tested the RC-300?
>> Joaquim
>

--
= Jean-Paul De Roover
www.jeanpaulderoover.com
(807) 251-3376

--e89a8f3babbf47681204ba782036-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 5 07:40:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93FC9183460; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 07:40:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of j.de.roover@gmail.com designates 10.216.137.97 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.216.137.97; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of j.de.roover@gmail.com designates 10.216.137.97 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=j.de.roover@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=j.de.roover@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=fnwJRUrQHfkdC42Oma3zZEtGt3bibWtRYZE683Z9vqQ=; b=VqtRZNBQqfAJGbYD3Osn6pngZq2koj9NFKxz/joQNybDU0zrC1r7FxQtdWZ70IxTVw szB9kcB+eGfzeJpyXjWnfJ+jODIXP5iMv0ZjfTzojvX8A+eo44N3qfz+KKlv0Ejj8U2K pt/sMPeTns9ChYpNYbV2663G2+4wD4Fh5uPnDlU2l87qGDP/kzvqC9fcprTRBulpDWyT 7HIrbNbUMTiB49sivQ7Uk6d9CCGg2xv9LR8+/JCLS6sH1aBUs04ZndAd+ztlLUp49DI9 wvrZC+YdJ01D5024kvyhK6UHQx0u+qdov7+jydpig6cr6Lh5im7hb1T3+lQY0uBeCWGU ThEA== MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jean-Paul De Roover Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 02:39:44 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Looper on tour in Canada To: loopers-delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 07:40:05 +0000 (UTC) Hey everyone, Just wanted to share some info for anyone that's in Canada. I'm touring through Eastern Canada starting on Tuesday, March 6th. For full details, check out the upcoming shows on my newly revamped website www.jeanpaulderoover.com. Facebook tour event can be found here: http://www.facebook.com/events/169500553161120/ Here are the dates of the "YEAR OF THE LOOP Eastern Canada Tour". 06/03 - Sault Ste Marie, ON @ Loplop's 07/03 - Parry Sound, ON @ Kudos Kuisine 08/03 - Guelph, ON @ House concert - w/The Upside Trio, Sam Klass 09/03 - Hamilton, ON @ The Pearl Company - w/Wax Mannequin 10/03 - Windsor, ON @ The Dugout - w/Naked Thursdays? 12/03 - Oshawa, ON (12:00 pm) @ EP Taylor's 14/03 - Toronto, ON @ The Supermarket - Craig Stickland, The Franklin Electric, Marlboro 15/03 - Port Perry, ON @ Salvatore's 16/03 - London, ON @ The Dude Ranch 17/03 - Ottawa, ON @ Avant Garde Bar - w/Josef Mieto, RedBird, Portage and Main 19/03 - Charlottetown, PE @ Baba's Lounge - w/Jordan Cameron 20/03 - Sackville, NB @ Bridge Street Cafe 21/03 - Moncton, NB @ Plan B Lounge 23/03 - St Andrews, NB @ The Red Herring - w/The Fourth Well 24/03 - Windsor, NS @ Spitfire Arms 26/03 - Windsor, NS @ TAN Coffee 28/03 - Wolfville, NS @ TAN Coffee 29/03 - Halifax, NS @ RockBottom Brew Pub 30/03 - Fredericton, NB @ The Capital 01/04 - Montreal, QC @ L'Absynthe - w/Andy Stevens 02/04 - Ottawa, ON @ The Rainbow - w/Jesse Nelson 03/04 - Sudbury, ON @ Fromagerie Elgin Hopefully I'll be seeing some of you US folks in the Fall in Santa Cruz! -- Jean-Paul De Roover www.jeanpaulderoover.com (807) 251-3376 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 5 08:16:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56F29183462; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 08:16:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mattdavignon@gmail.com designates 10.68.196.201 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.68.196.201; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mattdavignon@gmail.com designates 10.68.196.201 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mattdavignon@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=mattdavignon@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ulv8aV3kinxbFchehpFfadTfKedPGar3gs6WyUS/TQE=; b=rQgfSYE6cs2XhRlkTaJKJJ486zsyZiQk+7OGriLUkwSuWP2bicY/+azVIxRLOX66kT Lx0hcjgsTPsUJy0w5P36XjukNWY9EPehtSU/vkWFKrblJLUZrrJxJBbDCGXHI5yeUY8i IYLcUT68lN+3pgF4MTEXEgaIR7vd7aOsIu6f7n1ORcpyCRe9MlD+kUeiq2bbSsIgO8jH p03hbPWhUvi3iqP7dAvBCVeWZ7sIVsnsGvbd9aipeGVgHdfrF0zRg8FbjpjQzJLxdpn+ 4H93wdvi1RHA3sr8QQ2JzWKBy+qp+o9KMOj+fgfPkzdD9VIZB3vJwz/RlU1cWg1GIzRN EGEw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 00:15:58 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Just ordered new instrument From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 08:16:00 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, Just a follow-up on this: If anyone else is looking into CD DJ units, I posted a review of the one I got here, from the perspective of a live performer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJFr10wYIwY -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > My tax return gift-to-self this year is something I've been salivating > about for years. I'm waiting with baited breath for it to arrive. > > http://www.amazon.com/DJTECH-ISCRATCH101V2-Multi-Disc-DJ-Player/dp/B004W38L9S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1330035629&sr=8-1 > > I've been researching CD DJ units for several years now, often > frustrated because: > --Most are way more expensive than the should be ($1000 for a cd player)? > --Many lack what I think should be basic features for a CD turntable, > such 100% pitch/speed control. > --Most are way too large for a CD turntable - they are made to fit > into a standard turntable dj coffin. > > This one looks smaller, and I got it for $200. I found a youtube video > where demonstrator actually showed off the useful features. (Most > demos of CD DJ units assume the users only want to mix house music > tracks together.) > > I'm pretty excited about it. It brings me one step closer to desire to > try making instrumental hip-hop music. It will also be great for > improv sessions. If I'm playing with a sax player or vocalist, I can > manipulate recordings of them. > > And yes, my breath smells like earthworms while I'm waiting. > > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 5 11:51:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7C59183462; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 11:51:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com designates 10.50.153.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.50.153.169; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com designates 10.50.153.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=XVscZpH3seH3KfcxT2BcA6cqUNwM0PLHzq+NwO6csAM=; b=pfJn73+3zcUERnmKcNsxAKweCOFpetAhfYVIF327JcqfvNCykfQ5u+Qr/JLYcu2sPq ELzMmFPf1bZIMwnLmcNN0CrvefoMqIVAGuDEfNDXbJFNTL2e0F41ZXWdGvmt5Y5PO0oF c358rC5gzEJYbHPFMXE36nDpysfG2ysjOr4sAfsKZPXfNSQlaIDacSWmHNGkgj6Lwq1m aDbEdOjbZ4w5A0QjWimK3u6s5PVFhYgkaZUwA0qsWWvLO3n4flkmNmAS0It2CTMQBXWa KqeApp0TvurwNNLeXFzp3+9PPBuPMzs98nzlbjwgDzFz7Zo0upbr37llr8LR+8pk0Mwd gpKg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F4FE127.2040400@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 13:51:13 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Secret Identities From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f2351df12630504ba7d8ba3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 11:51:14 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f2351df12630504ba7d8ba3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnwfTHpnGLY this is my favourite from the huge mouse head --e89a8f2351df12630504ba7d8ba3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnwfTHpnGLY

this is my favourite from the huge mouse head
--e89a8f2351df12630504ba7d8ba3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 5 11:58:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6123B183461; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 11:58:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com designates 10.50.153.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.50.153.169; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com designates 10.50.153.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=grIzFIxBKRwBKlAxmzHF8GMMeM21b69cNHPm38+8i0w=; b=lk/wZNSwInZna2t98HQNNgIFjCWVjnWbSU6JXmtzkdA2SCH+k2KbxWQgIdHf7diXz/ v4my3eR4/uelNzJcqMrrTWZDsLKPKta6ZymTureh0s6fL8R9NOYt7ApbD+nlsQrDjNFz 6KfdIp/kBEcRdYhJ/yECRFBndSpqAVSJK8nUT90jJlfsDIfj9i2HfLsFtV+u+UiFvjkr UdWP5fUedzyqNQzaL5ppNLbcaunlGNgig2MPg+wvJU2cgDsX6lJNCv9ESwm6XU7oEgjx AX2y8jVsf3yU4DUXUeBmP9V8no06GvbnMNTxR1Dv29vtzBZ2bFeA4wW2nLyetawusj+f Xeeg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F53F7B6.2060206@cruzio.com> References: <4F53F7B6.2060206@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 13:58:02 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: so long -- and further off topic. From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f2351df6f8c7704ba7da3cc Resent-Message-ID: <-iBngD.A.5ED.LpKVPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 11:58:03 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f2351df6f8c7704ba7da3cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Btw, Rick this is in the heart of the "Homeland" ;-) Really, really interesting discussion, thanks everyone, loved reading this? 2012/3/5 Rick Walker > On 3/3/12 2:16 PM, Daniel Thomas wrote: > >> *Sounds like Slavery to me. * >> > Yeah, but who wants to pay tax on an iPhone and who has the cheapest price? > > > > rick walker > > -- Petri --e89a8f2351df6f8c7704ba7da3cc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Btw, Rick this is in the heart of the "Homeland" ;-)

Reall= y, really interesting discussion, thanks everyone, loved reading this?
<= br>
2012/3/5 Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com>

On 3/3/12 2:16 PM, Daniel Thomas wrote:

*Sounds like Slavery to me. *

Yeah, but who wants to pay tax on an iPhone and who has the cheapest price?=

<official sarcasm>

rick walker

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Petri

--e89a8f2351df6f8c7704ba7da3cc-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 5 12:04:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2890D183464; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 12:04:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com designates 10.43.44.69 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.43.44.69; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com designates 10.43.44.69 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ZrMhq34ehsR/s0Dw3Qwhez6LqUXB3mJXltpmzbz8P2o=; b=It/FHTNj3AtIrI3VEzWderQ0Gi/hnWGZrow1jjaziU5ULuoN6WgLTPXAi8HQt03cXe JmMystnZ3b6haFZmNosnXDfg4DBHnNPBe2lci4cinn1Qi2tqDsHbgI/yK8DOz14IaVBn CQ/iNYRAVgR7j/SUbXGA8B520iVoYLc9xXvICGMKpGbNt54ic4HN6Ywo4Dhq1LTtauHD V5V6TgHFifrw2K1HaOZF9Xf/RyWlNDFD0L7W8ZAzYclQTHMTBfqjg+aD1+w3zMCn5yR5 AWClsCNl80eD/zcIRV2RlRTW815+qS6Vi4qjd2sFb8LLr8PP5xqCeWMFIBrSUmzhmbsc NYJA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F53F7B6.2060206@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 14:04:07 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: so long -- and further off topic. From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec52e5f89312c0204ba7db984 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 12:04:08 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec52e5f89312c0204ba7db984 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 and that question mark was meant to be exclamation mark :-D Or was it just sarcasm from my side too.... :-D --bcaec52e5f89312c0204ba7db984 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 and that question mark was meant to be exclamation mark :-D
Or was it just sarcasm from my side too.... :-D
--bcaec52e5f89312c0204ba7db984-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 5 12:07:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14164183462; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 12:07:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com designates 10.50.153.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.50.153.169; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com designates 10.50.153.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Zdxi7Pklh3cOku5qBgZbIrKYQiDquo0Ti6slSXeULbI=; b=VmuUAhCZU+XIQz7BysOs2j28c0hEH6YfLRiovDmQejgICSs6oOcHtR5U7Zagz19i85 Gnianfo3bBMMXnCDpCsp6FEAy2uRKS0/fXgctn5oQPYzxf3s2+usHld/QXQuRBauJJpW K3XttATlJje1gdgNL9tHnlUCeTxtiff1Sjam1aADBnxo4gvUSqoQFGGzCby0gsuFEauy H+Tz8ArRqKt/NDhBEvmPMqRrWyFmbA/Cc6BeLKL6jrL6CARijvIT7FBP9GAPkj5Bt0ME UsJP/HkpilyoH8xtqbkMyRTGDz6b7oX8ynr9tX3S4wwnwXDHftvXILBdQDJxGiGDe+Qf s9Fw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F51F3E6.2040703@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4F5110EF.40203@tiscali.co.uk> <4F513E1F.70906@cruzio.com> <4F51F3E6.2040703@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 14:07:55 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Keep your sets interesting - reprise From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f2351dfc5360904ba7dc6ae Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 12:07:55 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f2351dfc5360904ba7dc6ae Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Andy, yes challenge to listener and performer, was my question. But in case of Joey Baron, I could watch 3 hours of him playing, and if I had some drinks and food near me, 8 hours if challenged :-D He's just fabulous drummer and so inspiring to watch. --e89a8f2351dfc5360904ba7dc6ae Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andy, yes challenge to listener and performer, was my question.
But in c= ase of Joey Baron, I could watch 3 hours of him playing,
and if I had so= me drinks and food near me, 8 hours if challenged :-D
He's just fabu= lous drummer and so inspiring to watch.
--e89a8f2351dfc5360904ba7dc6ae-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 5 12:11:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F74A183461; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 12:11:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=EZNoudr2dze2ZxM2R8VsLgzBdgTSG1phkfYyGtALVXY=; b=j4D5/p0QCs3IvUdmnHMXXR6yTHtQdfC0rdCMKAquahWnkJjAfS1X1Mq+kQlSZ4rtII cGSxbUub+btU6b2A4rBpZcQcfmAVSZNx14n1RlpqIbIGW9vc4hH+SmccuG4GrhNrdoJp PNB4FDuZ9oVEqNOGHAI6xvkcn1tNiMCRjys4NqjGq2HnJo/fWDHvdNpeoqtbIrd+hLkN 2xuu+31OG9I1+1kOF6HPuqF4i0v6QXxhRUuRdRLEav6uweuKa2BVV64yzDiDugEXfBRG +njlTKrMeqbavKD+oqj7ANLFqjkuDX3+2GetEws/Wvr8S6Rg1msjyo2NugY5Ik8UqRg3 5nMA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F5110EF.40203@tiscali.co.uk> <4F513E1F.70906@cruzio.com> <4F51F3E6.2040703@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 14:11:30 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Keep your sets interesting - reprise From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f3ba4e798832404ba7dd3de Resent-Message-ID: <1eNaE.A.CgD.y1KVPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 12:11:31 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f3ba4e798832404ba7dd3de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 oh and thanks Andy for that info, that collaboration was not familiar. Sounds really good http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12rokSX5AF4 --e89a8f3ba4e798832404ba7dd3de Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 oh and thanks Andy for that info, that collaboration was not familiar.
Sounds really good http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12rokSX5AF4
--e89a8f3ba4e798832404ba7dd3de-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 5 12:18:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DD10183462; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 12:18:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com designates 10.50.57.129 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.50.57.129; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com designates 10.50.57.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Ay2l34R2rnA6v3SpcEIDQdW1DDG7P/T1vt7Nje6ibfs=; b=gHX9XajUkuAX7AsUamqxAR83CCWiAGmgjAZg5I9oKvdvoF1amfybm7syHvh8x3WaLM mb8iUVfsPBLmvcCiz7GqK3EhJstV97/Kju/H2UU0x/R6mo80X3cCNi8O+GK4zM3b8rv8 2mTwRGivFjNr+9p7wZjOBQjuoDmSiGDsRk3M9kKGbx05QinoASsiOM6SahBwLXO6O+rm EFn+kVzh91L5Git7voKR7RrCS9gWbv8gdVNznLAj5JHvpb/LN4akN8NC3zGrIzwSWZx5 T5Yjsk1I163w/4vnRuJ9uY4+cPhu8OVTPPV20mSq5Ng6gVz/W9t/QzbSCCpuILAJma5S 0mRg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F514E4B.2080502@cruzio.com> References: <1330724436.4665.YahooMailNeo@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4F514E4B.2080502@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 14:18:55 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: so long From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340ef71f342304ba7deea6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 12:18:56 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340ef71f342304ba7deea6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Once again, thanks for your words and insight, Rick. Waiting for that e-mail ;-) 2012/3/3 Rick Walker > On 3/2/12 1:40 PM, bill bigrig wrote: > > Thanks Bill for sharing the story of the wobblies and their persecution. > What a horrific story.........such a blemish on the history of this country > (which I wish was completely anomolous, but isn't). > > The huge difference between that story and ones that could potentially > have happened in the US in this day an age is the proliferation of > cell phone cameras and mass media sites. > > I don't think the Arab spring would be happening now if it wasn't for the > proliferation > of media on the planet. > > "The whole world's watching" as we used to say in the protests in the > late 60's > > Only, now, it's possible. > > In the long run, I think this will be the downfall of the repressive > regime in China. > As the country becomes more and more prosperous, more and more people will > get their hands on ubiquitous and inexpensive technology........cell > phones, smart > phones, cheap digital camcorders, etc. > > Horrific oppression, not unlike abuse on a personal level always occurs in > the dark. > > I saw a bumper sticker here while back that said, > > "Secrecy Sickens" > > Maybe all of this inexpensive technology will ultimately be the thing that > liberates > a lot of the world. I'm not naive enough to think of this in a utopian > mode, but > at least I have some hope. > > thanks for posting, > Rick Walker > > -- Petri --14dae9340ef71f342304ba7deea6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Once again, thanks for your words and insight, Rick.
Waiting for that e-= mail ;-)

2012/3/3 Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com= >

On 3/2/12 1:40 PM, bill bigrig wrote:

Thanks Bill for sharing the story of the wobblies and their persecution. What a horrific story.........such a blemish on the history of this country=
(which I wish was completely anomolous, but isn't).

The huge difference between that story and ones that could potentially
have happened in the US in this day an age is the proliferation of
cell phone cameras and mass media sites.

I don't think the Arab spring would be happening now if it wasn't f= or the proliferation
of media on the planet.

"The whole world's watching" =A0 as we used to say in the pro= tests in the late 60's

Only, now, =A0it's possible.

In the long run, =A0I think this will be the downfall of the repressive reg= ime in China.
As the country becomes more and more prosperous, more and more people will<= br> get their hands on ubiquitous and inexpensive technology........cell phones= , =A0smart
phones, cheap digital camcorders, etc.

Horrific oppression, not unlike abuse on a personal level always occurs in = the dark.

I saw a bumper sticker here while back that said,

"Secrecy Sickens"

Maybe all of this inexpensive technology will ultimately be the thing that = liberates
a lot of the world. =A0 =A0 I'm not naive enough to think of this in a = utopian mode, but
at least I have some hope.

thanks for posting,
Rick Walker

--
Petri

--14dae9340ef71f342304ba7deea6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 5 12:23:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DF35183460; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 12:23:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=NaFOUu7oIxYjw7u0ngS4XSDWsFiHQizrZ6X9+I4+CM8=; b=HvLPsC0ZWdrIRp5TVSEo2O6f3oCAn3Iv4jD3HDP+aioi0tUHgsqAs+5sUtGWDP1qWT aRzfUuXuP/DgV90gYu42KEV27SsRvGKeaAlkt499gJWh/Dn42HhTepN96qbfbrXoh1eJ 54fq52myoxDAXzWkt9PGXkgGt+wCXvOtloqTAInCH95HzFQDrWNDqmaeMWEZrq3eyiId 6ybVfZuR71vDW0E8vi0XAQ5jlS4/kgfk3rkC4cHqiwXbM/ikQrzAfRbsaBYf+MP0i+Mq oShypevl5s6Jsu1QgnFPyv+nWw905M+f6W4XeGHXn2xfEKm0czV/KnhjoOl75q6ZJ/Hv Onsg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F514B67.5070703@cruzio.com> References: <8CEC6A11E9723E5-1864-11D5@webmail-stg-d11.sysops.aol.com> <4F514B67.5070703@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 14:23:42 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: OT: How to mix guitar/synth/drum machines? Guitar DI vs Amp? From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f3ba4e73df74704ba7dfff3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 12:23:43 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f3ba4e73df74704ba7dfff3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 "This page from Margarita Escobars' senior thesis" Was there a link somewhere Rick or did you just point to that direction, for looking up that specific thesis ? 2012/3/3 Rick Walker > > marcus asks: >> >> Does anyone have suggested reading material for mixing guitar and >> analog synths? >> >> > This page from Margarita Escobars' senior thesis for the University of > Miami on PsychoAcoustics > contains a lot of conceptual information for anyone who is learning about > mixing. > > The whole page is a fascinating read but pay special attention to sections > 2.7 and 2.8 on Timbral 'Masking' and 'Critical Bands' > > Because guitars and analogue synthesizers are frequently in the same > frequency bands, > these two concepts are absolutely crucial for mixing. > > > > -- Petri --e89a8f3ba4e73df74704ba7dfff3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "This page from Margarita Escobars' senior thesis"

Was= there a link somewhere Rick or did you just point to that direction,
fo= r looking up that specific thesis ?

2012/= 3/3 Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com>

marcus asks:

=A0 =A0Does anyone have suggested reading material for mixing guitar and =A0 =A0analog synths?

This page from Margarita Escobars' senior thesis for =A0the University = of Miami on PsychoAcoustics
contains a lot of conceptual information for anyone who is learning about m= ixing.

The whole page is a fascinating read but pay special attention to sections<= br> 2.7 and 2.8 on Timbral 'Masking' =A0 and 'Critical Bands'
Because guitars and analogue synthesizers are frequently in the same freque= ncy bands,
these two concepts are absolutely crucial for mixing.

--
Petri

--e89a8f3ba4e73df74704ba7dfff3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 5 12:53:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF0B5183460; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 12:53:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of matilists@gmail.com designates 10.236.155.225 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.236.155.225; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of matilists@gmail.com designates 10.236.155.225 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=matilists@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=matilists@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=gODR1oo8r/P93Mu0F7TIJ6FMAy/cTMs4SPJvhkYNskI=; b=hOzo6ptzm9tqI9WRbSwxgxYjKCjEuq6H1lkKOz9q/RZC057rcOJogN8TLuM3OXJ8HK kp2luCIcfndR6nMCdmsk6JwNcSdbHW0uHpDN/u/b6s7eYsiLpqSw/f49aq/Td5UflkjM XVhHu2NH2uDOZDgm7DBKGlAVCjCHPcPNtHtxbY3IsCUubN3RyCr2OfCr9monXNOBAIiT Q1T+7MWCqF79nsS2w+1VsVeGQ9BuTKfGYdUwaRjAv6872tPFM9/t0FjHTt7kEVNQV17S b5VyZokksmXB0SDnu0pjuntDpM61fgzSk6oO7ksApBw/jXKf5xCyhdnDxFychXJgt1Ba ah4g== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller From: Matthias Grob In-Reply-To: <5FD8BE26-C68A-4DDB-9B6C-BA3C5591E515@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 09:53:21 -0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <557F6C71-B185-476B-8545-D435B524B283@gmail.com> References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <36EFCE7D-2601-4369-90C6-3ADB078B57AC@gmail.com> <23528580-7B79-412B-B360-04CDC711A130@gmail.com> <4F5339E3.4010708@tiscali.co.uk> <20120304124451.40FEDD3FB9@server01.clifford.wightman.ca> <4F53AE8C.2010708@tiscali.co.uk> <9A8780D7-E179-4D2A-86AD-C9A4CEA7C3C0@gmail.com> <4F53D6F1.8000408@tiscali.co.uk> <3068A4C9-8E38-4EBF-91D3-AA6512FB0AF6@gmail. com> <4F53E4A7.30700@tiscali.co.uk> <5FD8BE26-C68A-4DDB-9B6C-BA3C5591E515@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 12:53:56 +0000 (UTC) Helooo! I am shocked that I missed all those messages the past days and that I = explained things so badly and that there may remain issues to the = Echoloop. I read most of the posts but some are confusing to me=20 also, under the same subject, we discuss about 5 distinct problems. so = we should rename=20 (and ideally more to some more specific place like a forum...) but since the subject is hot and I have to leave soon, I just try to = explain quickly what came to me: =95 Control the standard is that the VST effect offers Parameters to the host and = the host receives MIDI and somehow links the MIDI commands to the = parameters. And: the VSTi instruments have a MIDI input for playing the synth = (instead of audio in) now we can blend the two and thats what I did for the Echoloop and = confuses you: you can=20 -- interpret MIDI in the host and assing any parameter to any MIDI = command=20 (except that Live does only accept CC and needs the GUI for MIDI = learn...) -- route MIDI to the plugin (a wire in Bidule and a strange channel = process in Live) and you get the same result as in the HW EDP - thats why I added = this option So: if you choose the first option, the plugs MIDI parameters like BtnCh = have no effect =95 Sync similar to control, there is the good old MIDI way and the VST standard = and you can use either. -- MIDI is slower and less acurate because it does not transmit BPM, = just clocks so its only useful if you are connecting to a HW MIDI unit in a = simple way -- Host sync is standard only from Host to Plug, but Bidule allows from = Plug to Host! so usually the host is the master and the plugs slave, but in = Bidule, the host does not have a timing and you can assign any bidule to = be host or slave and the most amazing is that if you set several to = slave it even can simulate the BrotherSync situation where the first = that sends a timing turns into the master and if it stops sending, it = can become slave. =95 Set Presets by MIDI yes, that should work in case you route MIDI directly to the plugin. I = just tested quickly in Bidule and it happens, with the problem though, = that the preset name does not change, only the settings. if you use the standard Parameter control, I agree with Andy that the = Host should also be able to do this, but I do not know where this = assignment would happen... =95 Default Presets the preset names are a joke so far. I asked the masters to send me some = realy typical preset and only Per did it and i did not even build his = in, but please, if you have a preset that you consider helpful for = others, send it to me and I put it in as a default (with your name or = any other you like)= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 5 14:24:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12987183462; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 14:24:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 870425.13835.bm@omp1067.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1330957456; bh=Ce68EEy0XbDxViCbac0xdIx7QwUwa07DqhzyL71cedQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Alo7t1nqadodvJYDjpx837rA5ZcISPSn2ONusucNsLdH3s+tNgiJ7CQjI10gImYGZsiyyHB8f3y8TP3w5ri9oS9Q17oXCKCyWITuDDxrGZmfolVDJ9/57t7IsvI0QP5MkjAPjpv6rBh2lzvrJOpWz4Ea8GHk4uzn/aKw9m4mH8Q= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SbBL+604UqMEgFRay9cwamXL4qYIxIVoP3eRFNmGWyTh1JPvxoODpQAn+Zlqlst1/NHL1MTVBikKaJZ6GoNpdZbSYspPgL3moPh1BbH2noslw2pYyDtQf7KE4XZrM/mINidpyJjDWg9pkhUCZmcNtYrY2d9P3T3BXM/G0gwaieY=; X-YMail-OSG: UQ0nERIVM1kpP6kPsab7.5m1EfNw60OKMTxuRItW8h7vRxo FcDxZ5cXBB2btTjeRhOqXOG199bzEiAOWWgLCSFBUQI4g.TuqSx2veC1rW_0 wA6rJB4LqpVcuPxYhCUUXZRUJHLJ_y7kuRrpQBBCnSWC4EijVkIcKSw1mVTN 3C_WOnbCgTI5AKrnTwpfWebyk8lgWJDacyIaonIU.nN7Fa9uiAIU7siF5GWJ eBzn4aBJmy7t45avHdFWs9BBRpaSSXC1Q_Alz.rJm9yahm5ngcfqrTDhq1rR XkmsbCZJqaSwrAThtOj.D2THKUjQxgJuY_vVFChJDg_kVKxSdxnSVrFVUttO DVjBxYnk7x8SuwmALpBmEp6iZvG4RoQxE2dLJKVCh7xU9ncIx7cyN_nBZIbl U4jMb4gJmdS3FFg8pNZndVamOzT.vagU4oRjJlh8P4kkzLVDXeVdRKcEMHzf dqu0pWLrkCRb9gb7dJiOwzmCY_ODhk.GF.5AckE8uPDHhEWaIIr3DUNO0oi. oyGEA1jckYs4Dhpyr8wpRwWCZZYq771RMuVoCn4E91kI4sjrZGyBDRjrXbM2 D8Wy9rx3NqEBOBKLcnH_GsRljhA9wfifz6h9Ei7EKuUw_Z_QI6pAAtH.HOV2 FZzIZ6RkURsnhOsooC91WxGm.tKb43CEcbvPh0z2GZDuMJsEEvCQzXd6yFO0 e0g6eB6wkuJfjxYuMZErBRTFpEFqkTPLo1K8dbbjpg2x82paNeCGTELQLEDs Fmify X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.338427 References: <1330818027.69954.YahooMailMobile@web36702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, ,<9523A78B-1D6B-4929-83A9-3844C4D2F765@ubergadget.com> Message-ID: <1330957456.99318.YahooMailNeo@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 06:24:16 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: so long -- and further off topic. To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-495408613-634817553-1330957456=:99318" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 14:24:17 +0000 (UTC) ---495408613-634817553-1330957456=:99318 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy,=0A=A0=0A=A0Co-ops are great. Our dairy farm was involved in them bak= in the 60s/70s. Unfortunately, now-a-days many people of a certain stripe = will call it "socialism", or worse, "communism". How the times have changed= =0ARig=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Gareth Whittock =0ATo: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: = Saturday, March 3, 2012 11:24 PM=0ASubject: RE: so long -- and further off = topic.=0A=0AYes, I'm with you rev.. I think a change is in the air but I'm = going to shut up about it on this list now. Good to have a little "aside" n= ow and then.. =0A=0AgGareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk = =0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: revfever@ubergadget.comSubje= ct: Re: so long -- and further off topic.Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 22:45:34 -08= 00To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.comIndeed. Good idea. And, also worke= r-owned businesses and companies and keeping as much money as possible in t= he local economy=A0and local credit unions and local smaller banks, etc=A0W= e have a sizable number of these types of things here in Portlandia. There = will likely be more to come. Along with a resurgence in more union organizi= ng. =0AT=0Ahe quicker that the fat cats get put on a "strict diet", the bet= ter everyone else will be.=0A=0ABTW, my previously saying "got any 'better'= ideas" was meant to be sarcasm towards the current Kapitalist "system" we = are all under the thumb of.=A0=0ABut, perhaps you previously understood wha= t I was really meaning by saying it that way? :-) (and yes, I just like to = spell Capitalism with a "K" just for silly fun. :-) )=0A=0ACheers-=0ARev.Fe= ver=0APortlandia=0Ahttp://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever=0Ahttp://www.cdbaby.co= m/cd/elemental1=0Ahttp://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2=0Ahttp://www.cdbaby.c= om/cd/skult=0A=0AOn Mar 3, 2012, at 10:08 PM, Gareth Whittock wrote:=0AHere= 's abetter idea. Co-operatives. Capitalism where the people who work for th= e business share the profits. Goodbye massive inflated wages for the few at= the top and hello fairness. =0A>I reckon it's a better system - and it wor= ks. You are more likely to do a better job with more enthusiasm and commitm= ent when you know you're going to benefit.=0A>=0A>=0A>Just my tuppence wort= h=0A>=0A>=0A>peaceGareth Whittock, sound artist:=A0garethwhittock.co.uk=0A= =0A>=0A>=0A>________________________________=0A>From: revfever@ubergadget.c= omSubject: Re: so long -- and further off topic.Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 17:11= :22 -0800To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0A>=0A>>_________________= _______________=0A>>=0A>=A0=A0Welcome to "free" market "free" Kapitalism! = =A0=A0Got any "better" ideas?=0A>Cheers-=0A>Rev.Fever=0A>Portlandia=0A>http= ://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever=0A>http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1=0A>htt= p://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2=0A>http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult =0A> ---495408613-634817553-1330957456=:99318 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Howdy,

Co-ops are gre= at. Our dairy farm was involved in them bak in the 60s/70s. Unfortunately, = now-a-days many people of a certain stripe will call it "socialism", or wor= se, "communism". How the times have changed

Rig

From:= Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk>
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.co= m
Sent: Saturday, March= 3, 2012 11:24 PM
Subject: RE: so long -- and further off topic.

Yes, I'm with you rev.. I think a change is in the air but I= 'm going to shut up about it on this list now. Good to have a little "aside= " now and then..

gGareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

From: revfever@ubergadget.comSubject:= Re: so long -- and further off topic.Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 22:45:34 -= 0800To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.comIndeed. Good idea= . And, also worker-owned businesses and companies and keeping as much money= as possible in the local economy and local credit unions and local sm= aller banks, etc We have a sizable number of these types of things her= e in Portlandia. There will likely be more to come. Along with a resurgence= in more union organizing.

T

he quicker that the fat cats get put on a "strict diet", the better ev= eryone else will be.

BTW, my previously saying "got any 'better' ideas" was meant to be sar= casm towards the current Kapitalist "system" we are all under the thumb of.=

But, perhaps you previously understood what I was really meaning by sa= ying it that way? :-) (and yes, I just like to spell Capitalism with a "K" = just for silly fun. :-) )

Chee= rs-

Rev.= Fever

Port= landia

http= ://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever

http= ://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1

http= ://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2

http= ://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult

On Mar 3, 2012, at 10:08 PM, Gareth Whittock wrote:

Here's abetter idea. Co-operatives. Capitalism where the peo= ple who work for the business share the profits. Goodbye massive inflated w= ages for the few at the top and hello fairness.
I reckon it's a better system - and it works. You are more likely to d= o a better job with more enthusiasm and commitment when you know you're goi= ng to benefit.

Just my tuppence worth

peaceGareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

From: revfever@ubergadget.comSubject: Re: so long -- and further o= ff topic.Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 17:11:22 -0800To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-d= elight.com

= ---495408613-634817553-1330957456=:99318-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 5 14:26:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1541A183461; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 14:26:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 287963.95457.bm@omp1004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1330957604; bh=DErCNiV823cWBxj9H1xWkq60o4B8IU9AiXRfZYhMvFU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Oum2w3DXFODUcbpNtlEHGYUkDCsjZTO3DV0Zi7+/TOnNXWlEcgDpALu0xeytdEnp0pSaEJlEH7KFPgqdyVAbHX1v+wJ0mlI4f3MI85Ep7XZus011UBsiSnuyD+DQNdnbW3wjapFuWEPwgjcWEUgquFU3vlznOIGNGUnMDwAqd2g= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mhlX9phiKGrBN+EcBimIMUmx4p7kBMNwn5UBKpXrUs7UyVaiRVbVFJ/eEM4VbpdUsa5YhP2F1U1JWmUWCntS9RRd2MD5A2z3BFoqpcqBFcoi4UdKgAWFvQAn1rtDEmchPv9LZqPpWviYpQwd6kNLs+5pBR1HgqmHh36BL4gE2vo=; X-YMail-OSG: sfGeJ2oVM1mGdPWWHwvR5IdE8k7ZdalDjJCtJxH3C4Zs73_ H0F6bGI14K0QZJASx5sWjW9VZG8iJeWR.VuSZNbAHBZLC9clVt1lkZFjZKNB s3vXdVQCyGBRf4.3GXHNEMb34UAdGmAqKyvilyTDQds8pzi.wWWer9Rf7WrM lsiifkeUBG90nM9kuYH9y3Fwon_hFFn2YXHWuLAAlO4y8tMhxAnS.jPRi75i VLt9BR0pjmWYc2cfe1gGtpgVVAbnBQ0VHCh98uEJd.s35dyOtMbytvwIUHrf .RwBrun6bMn3NaSqM7hf5sIXQTKqvNRmDPX6R4nhQv2_HemqMovBAJC.9S.p Oe1bZVHlZe43o1KHgMc9QJMsmOE3d0tRPStOyYwZIIvV_Gx4mvm3yrRWD70h mO6.TKlQ5TXk9W2YdIK2QA.U_ZHWL10Q8YWqI_ygU7w6uHw.xIJYZT8B7DuO p0K38cp3KDwrjB34pUHbULRvDhhiI6GK7LMAjwKLHDYKrw0EA6FqIgP_iwyF uh.f8xD5AcUw5lRQO3x5kZN_g64mbrIuysGlRPK7JFO0rtnhoynIi.fKTkuK PIA3gg_KHKdAoAS0bQq2IyLb3g5sQOg_phaQiYN5fTwFD5lMyamQaUQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.338427 References: <1330818027.69954.YahooMailMobile@web36702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1330957604.86494.YahooMailNeo@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 06:26:44 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: so long -- and further off topic. To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-709188601-1868419471-1330957604=:86494" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 14:26:45 +0000 (UTC) ---709188601-1868419471-1330957604=:86494 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, try to buy a motor start capacitor these days. you will be disappointe= d.=0ARig=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Revfever =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Saturd= ay, March 3, 2012 5:11 PM=0ASubject: Re: so long -- and further off topic.= =0A=0AOn Mar 3, 2012, at 3:40 PM, Paul Richards wrote:=0AThere's actually o= ne or two more similar articles on the New York Times/International Herald = Tribune websites. Check out their sites.Wages are pretty low there-like $11= USD /day i.e. Foxconn manufacturing. Also, another article was written by = a person who surreptitiously interviewed people leaving the factories. 14 y= ear olds were not uncommon. So here we have the ideal manufacturing environ= ment for US concerns: low wages, poor benefits, poor environmental regs, et= c., etc. How about the pollution from all those container ships?Sad, very s= ad. =0A>=0A>________________________________=0A>=0AIsn't it funny and inter= esting how the "free" market and "free" enterprise "works" and for "everyon= e"? Uh-huh. Riiiiight.=A0 =0AMore "free" markets fairy tales that the rest = of us are all expected to simply "believe in" and to "trust", etc, blah bla= h blah. =0AMillions of previous good paying American jobs (and other countr= ies' jobs) have been "outsourced" to China, and to India, Mexico, Malaysia,= etc where there are also millions of dirt poor, desperate people, and the = companies that moved to there are making RECORD PROFITS. And yet, when the = products are sent back here (and elsewhere) the PRICES are either the SAME = or sometimes even MORE than what was previously being paid for by consumers= . And of course, the usual "excuse" for this due to "market forces" blah bl= ah blah. And also, more often than not, the "quality" ain't the same. =A0Do= esn't anyone see something wrong with this picture? I certainly do and I ai= n't no rocket scientist. It is also another reason why long ago I decided t= o cut WAY BACK on my purchasing and spending habits (and NOW I have NO choi= ce due to my own economic situation! Yow!) and also decided to purchase onl= y as much used stuff as was reasonable to do so, which has hovered around t= he 95% or more range of purchases. So far, this has mostly worked out in a po= sitive way for me and I also don't have a lot of low value, useless crap la= ying around my place, which is just fine by me.=0AThese companies are makin= g out like bandits and yet most consumers either just gladly go along with = it, with maybe a gripe or 2 every so often, and / or have no real "choices"= anymore, once those companies corner certain markets that millions of cons= umers either have to rely on and / or or are addicted to, and as those comp= anies squash or even kill off the competition completely. And, tough shite = for any workers that get trampled or left in the dust in the process as tho= se companies "grow" and "expand" and "innovate" and "merge" and prosper. = =A0Welcome to "free" market "free" Kapitalism! =A0=A0Got any "better" ideas= ?=0ACheers-=0ARev.Fever=0APortlandia=0Ahttp://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever=0A= http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1=0Ahttp://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2= =0Ahttp://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult ---709188601-1868419471-1330957604=:86494 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, try to buy a motor start capacitor t= hese days. you will be disappointed.

Rig

From:= Revfever <revfever@ubergadget.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012= 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: so= long -- and further off topic.

On Mar 3, 2012, at 3:40 PM, Pa= ul Richards wrote:

Welcome to "free" market "free" Kapitalism! Got = any "better" ideas?

Chee= rs-

Rev.= Fever

Port= landia

ht= tp://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever

= http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1

= http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2

http:= //www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult

There's actually one or two more similar articles on the New York Time= s/International Herald Tribune websites. Check out their sites.Wa= ges are pretty low there-like $11 USD /day i.e. Foxconn manufacturing. Also= , another article was written by a person who surreptitiously interviewed p= eople leaving the factories. 14 year olds were not uncommon. So h= ere we have the ideal manufacturing environment for US concerns: low wages,= poor benefits, poor environmental regs, etc., etc. How about the= pollution from all those container ships?Sad, very sad.

Isn't it funny and interesting how the "free" market and "free" enterp= rise "works" and for "everyone"? Uh-huh. Riiiiight.
More "free" markets fairy tales that the rest of us are all expected t= o simply "believe in" and to "trust", etc, blah blah blah.

Millions of previous good paying American jobs (and other countries' j= obs) have been "outsourced" to China, and to India, Mexico, Malaysia, etc w= here there are also millions of dirt poor, desperate people, and the compan= ies that moved to there are making RECORD PROFITS. And yet, when the produc= ts are sent back here (and elsewhere) the PRICES are either the SAME or som= etimes even MORE than what was previously being paid for by consumers. And = of course, the usual "excuse" for this due to "market forces" blah blah bla= h. And also, more often than not, the "quality" ain't the same. Doesn= 't anyone see something wrong with this picture? I certainly do and I ain't= no rocket scientist. It is also another reason why long ago I decided to c= ut WAY BACK on my purchasing and spending habits (and NOW I have NO choice = due to my own economic situation! Yow!) and also decided to purchase only a= s much used stuff as was reasonable to do so, which has hovered around the 95% or more range of purchases. So far, this has mostly worked = out in a positive way for me and I also don't have a lot of low value, usel= ess crap laying around my place, which is just fine by me.

These companies are making out like bandits and yet most consumers eit= her just gladly go along with it, with maybe a gripe or 2 every so often, a= nd / or have no real "choices" anymore, once those companies corner certain= markets that millions of consumers either have to rely on and / or or are = addicted to, and as those companies squash or even kill off the competition= completely. And, tough shite for any workers that get trampled or left in = the dust in the process as those companies "grow" and "expand" and "innovat= e" and "merge" and prosper. Welcome to "free" market "free" Kapitalis= m! Got any "better" ideas?

Cheers-

Rev.Fever

Portlandia

http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever

http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1

http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2

http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult
=
---709188601-1868419471-1330957604=:86494-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 5 15:15:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3522518345E; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 15:15:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_2tQ8SyaLCzFQK/ulKJ20eA)" X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7498,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-03-05_04:2012-03-03,2012-03-05,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1203050119 From: Teddy Kumpel Subject: Re: RC-300 Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 10:15:04 -0500 In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <59231747-9931-4319-B195-E6B1291D5120@gmail.com> <3E05467E-C048-4CFC-AAFC-6623A0ED7707@mac.com> Message-id: <744AB48E-C148-4C4F-9F16-9BCEE0267DA1@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <33ocHD.A.sxF.8hNVPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 15:15:09 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_2tQ8SyaLCzFQK/ulKJ20eA) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT hey, thanks so much for replying... the message they are sending is that this looper is made for one man/woman bands and NOT for serious professionals to use in a band context. Then again, show me another looper that has stereo inputs, some kind of built in beat keeping sound and routing options to keep that separate from the looped material... there is nothing else. Hopefully the industry will catch up to what I need one day down the road. are there any guide track sounds that are just quarter notes?? they removed the hi hats??? jeeeeez for a test: can you send midi clock to it and see if it follows? surprisingly, that doesn't work on the rc-50 can you also try sending midi clock from it to a drum machine or metronome? surprisingly, that doesn't work on the rc-50 thanks teddy On Mar 5, 2012, at 12:23 AM, Jean-Paul De Roover wrote: > I've been fooling around with mine for a bit, and there are some features that ticked me off too. > > I mean, it's great that they've separated the record and stop/play functions - I can actually use that - but they got rid of undo/redo? I used to use that function as a 4th loop phrase. > > They also removed some of the basic guide tracks - like just hi hat sounds. Something like this was well used on my RC-50, and now that it's gone, I have to come up with some other ways of doing things. > > I haven't messed with the midi capabilities too heavily, but when I try to connect it via usb to my laptop to drag/drop files it takes forever! That, and you physically have to remove the cable in order for it to disconnect. > > Lots of great ideas, but some seriously basic flaws. I'll mess with it some more when I get back from tour, but I'm sticking to the RC-50 on the road. > > On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 1:52 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > I saw it at NAMM. Rico Loop demo-ed it for me... but he really knew very little about the specifics and he didn't seem to want to discuss anything with me. > > it's interesting. I like the 3 separate stop/record/play thing... no more selecting... > the effects seem interesting, although, no reverb... but you can choose pre loop or post loop efx, which can make for some interesting things, especially with the pitch function. > > there's still no real click track sound and the guide track is still not pannable so you still lose 2 outputs if you're using the click to send to a drummer. I guess I didn't complain loud enough about those things previously. > > no more tap tempo button.... weird. So you have to have an external tap tempo if you want to do that. > > the exp pedal seems pretty useless. on the rc50 I am able to use an external midi pedal to control the 'selected' loop's volume, which is VERY handy... but now, there's no more selection, so that's gone... > > no one knows if it syncs better to other devices or if the midi clock output is actually stable now. I tried to send midi clock to a boss metronome from my rc50 and the metronome couldn't follow it, too unstable... wow... geniuses > > I don't think I'm going to run out and buy one any time soon, but I would like to mess with it more. > > the new pigtronix looper seems really cool and different. > > I know a lot of people who bought an RC300 hoping it would be a lot better than the rc-50 and then sold it cause it wasn't enough of an improvement over the RC-50. > by a lot I mean 3... > > Teddy --Boundary_(ID_2tQ8SyaLCzFQK/ulKJ20eA) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable hey, = thanks so much for replying...

the message they are = sending is that this looper is made for one man/woman bands and NOT for = serious professionals to use in a band context. Then again, show me = another looper that has stereo inputs, some kind of built in beat = keeping sound and routing options to keep that separate from the looped = material... there is nothing else. Hopefully the industry will catch up = to what I need one day down the road.

are there = any guide track sounds that are just quarter notes?? they removed the hi = hats??? jeeeeez

for a test: can you send midi = clock to it and see if it follows? surprisingly, that doesn't work = on the rc-50

can you also try sending midi = clock from it to a drum machine or metronome? surprisingly, that doesn't = work on the = rc-50

thanks
teddy

=

On Mar 5, 2012, at 12:23 AM, Jean-Paul De = Roover wrote:

I've been fooling around with mine for a bit, and there = are some features that ticked me off too.

I mean, = it's great that they've separated the record and stop/play functions - I = can actually use that - but they got rid of undo/redo? I used to use = that function as a 4th loop phrase.

They also removed some of the basic guide tracks - = like just hi hat sounds. Something like this was well used on my RC-50, = and now that it's gone, I have to come up with some other ways of doing = things.

I haven't messed with the midi capabilities too = heavily, but when I try to connect it via usb to my laptop to drag/drop = files it takes forever! That, and you physically have to remove the = cable in order for it to disconnect.

Lots of great ideas, but some seriously basic flaws. = I'll mess with it some more when I get back from tour, but I'm sticking = to the RC-50 on the road.

On = Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 1:52 AM, Teddy Kumpel <teddykumpel@mac.com> = wrote:

I saw it at NAMM. Rico Loop demo-ed it for me... but he really = knew very little about the specifics and he didn't seem to want to = discuss anything with me.

it's interesting. I like the 3 separate stop/record/play thing... no = more selecting...
the effects seem interesting, although, no reverb... but you can choose = pre loop or post loop efx, which can make for some interesting things, = especially with the pitch function.

there's still no real click track sound and the guide track is still not = pannable so you still lose 2 outputs if you're using the click to send = to a drummer. I guess I didn't complain loud enough about those things = previously.

no more tap tempo button.... weird. So you have to have an external tap = tempo if you want to do that.

the exp pedal seems pretty useless. on the rc50 I am able to use an = external midi pedal to control the 'selected' loop's volume, which is = VERY handy... but now, there's no more selection, so that's gone...

no one knows if it syncs better to other devices or if the midi clock = output is actually stable now. I tried to send midi clock to a boss = metronome from my rc50 and the metronome couldn't follow it, too = unstable... wow... geniuses

I don't think I'm going to run out and buy one any time soon, but I = would like to mess with it more.

the new pigtronix looper seems really cool and different.

I know a lot of people who bought an RC300 hoping it would be a lot = better than the rc-50 and then sold it cause it wasn't enough of an = improvement over the RC-50.
by a lot I mean 3...

Teddy
=

= = --Boundary_(ID_2tQ8SyaLCzFQK/ulKJ20eA)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 5 15:32:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A228A18345D; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 15:32:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.216.135.26 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.216.135.26; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of k3zz21@gmail.com designates 10.216.135.26 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=k3zz21@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=k3zz21@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=MGn2PZ3Xu7YpFL8Nc7sh7n5kALRDkyjgJ33hkYt/L/8=; b=HUrA12Qd9ArZyvhQNNPIn1XUXa+q/skZJu1hLaJseiYIwmN0bvHFWZ5UVDWmYv1WLI EmuDib7i3c0cRlHBj+abeLcYydzrEQFcWJQodKgmBSEd+DL+an9lwQJVWIn9pT7Dn6Xr 8koeuEaWzl9Cz+6mx9CdvDZIqgE+Nr1ROWnVdBBYibitb8tciR+hUnNRpoV6wo8rwuVX P+simxPmqZLhgOC8F6O08diyy0dgPttHKze0Imwcil8/eJlFOCWRWEg0FIzhbx5xuZX2 7YXiDsJSgEzdLFmm9NFsrCSM17mUD2uIiagBfQhihlnhRFMEsorPfEdYCGNL9wtH39Rs xzwQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F4FE127.2040400@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 07:32:09 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Secret Identities From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6dd89f12eea2b04ba80a170 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 15:32:10 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6dd89f12eea2b04ba80a170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ha ha i remember when everybody was sayinghe shud do dubstep On Mar 5, 2012 3:51 AM, "Petri Lahtinen" wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnwfTHpnGLY > > this is my favourite from the huge mouse head > --0016e6dd89f12eea2b04ba80a170 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ha ha i remember when everybody was sayinghe shud do dubstep

On Mar 5, 2012 3:51 AM, "Petri Lahtinen&quo= t; <kollegavalmentaja@gma= il.com> wrote:
= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DYnwfTHpnGLY

this is my favourit= e from the huge mouse head

--0016e6dd89f12eea2b04ba80a170-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 5 20:07:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BD93183453; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 20:07:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 736510707/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.182.120/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.182.120 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvcCAFUcVU9V0rZ4/2dsb2JhbAAMN7NbA4QLAQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBwE+LKYISgyIEmwyKRIJj X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,535,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="736510707" Message-ID: <4F551CFE.9040609@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 20:07:26 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Keep your sets interesting - reprise References: <4F5110EF.40203@tiscali.co.uk> <4F513E1F.70906@cruzio.com> <4F51F3E6.2040703@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 20:07:30 +0000 (UTC) Petri, I presume this is a 40 min drum solo post. Back in the early seventies, length of drum solo was a gauge of brilliance. Imagine the suffering. I enjoyed the Baron clip, which was actually a selection of shorter pieces. ...but I play drums sometimes, that adds to the interest a lot. I got the impression that the clip was intentionally "drumming for drummers", and wouldn't want to criticise it for that. andy Petri Lahtinen wrote: > Andy, yes challenge to listener and performer, was my question. > But in case of Joey Baron, I could watch 3 hours of him playing, > and if I had some drinks and food near me, 8 hours if challenged :-D > He's just fabulous drummer and so inspiring to watch. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 5 21:27:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D5D9183460; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 21:27:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com designates 10.50.47.198 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.50.47.198; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com designates 10.50.47.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=+WFIXxRRl3QUtk9pMIGtJ/LJkhL0CWH50bgyVpY5WBY=; b=oiIGw+wEyrXFauB07OgozZDH4Pq3ghkRJCaodUXVbIwtXR4CJhhFjJk4Ofgim0wZUJ hoDY4dVaEKvV4kpX8p86g9re5CZ3XfSOvBVSchxv9NuFd6ArezYFFrYFfvX0eJEpsAxQ q0+FyH9JHsXJnfer218C0gWEFQPYdbBFqNx5tOkeKglHY4wenuH6mOo271Eb+2EIz4BQ iMqKRHSvg46TUR/yKAkwk0q2t1bqu/TDPAvQRtHgeejoDeBaQDn+djDqlDHebLHf9F8u 5NcQMn81Rn6iu5gXiMKZQNB7slTk1uNXBmQoEfccH6guOKXbMcg4nWl6uGqLJRZ67U88 gWLg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F551CFE.9040609@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4F5110EF.40203@tiscali.co.uk> <4F513E1F.70906@cruzio.com> <4F51F3E6.2040703@tiscali.co.uk> <4F551CFE.9040609@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 23:27:38 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Keep your sets interesting - reprise From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93408518149e004ba8598fc Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 21:27:40 +0000 (UTC) --14dae93408518149e004ba8598fc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Look in it any context you want - my point was to compare this one to a "set" - it is brilliant and it was built, like you said, from shorter pieces, like a set. Drumming for drummers, I am not a drummer and I enjoyed it enormously. :-) It really is necessary sometimes to challenge oneself and try to hear the tonal qualities in instruments that are more unfamiliar. I dont play drums myself, but I have been interested and listened to drummers, watch videos like this, for 20 odd years. Thanks again for widening my knowledge on all things Joey Baron! 2012/3/5 andy butler > Petri, > I presume this is a 40 min drum solo post. > > Back in the early seventies, length of drum solo > was a gauge of brilliance. > Imagine the suffering. > > I enjoyed the Baron clip, which was actually a selection of shorter > pieces. ...but I play drums sometimes, that adds to the interest a lot. > > > I got the impression that the clip was intentionally > "drumming for drummers", and wouldn't want to criticise it > for that. > > andy > > > > Petri Lahtinen wrote: > >> Andy, yes challenge to listener and performer, was my question. >> But in case of Joey Baron, I could watch 3 hours of him playing, >> and if I had some drinks and food near me, 8 hours if challenged :-D >> He's just fabulous drummer and so inspiring to watch. >> > > -- Petri --14dae93408518149e004ba8598fc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Look in it any context you want - my point was
to compare this one to a = "set" - it is brilliant and it was built,
like you said, from = shorter pieces, like a set.
Drumming for drummers, I am not a drummer an= d I enjoyed it enormously. :-)

It really is necessary sometimes to challenge oneself
and try to hea= r the tonal qualities in instruments that are
more unfamiliar. I dont pl= ay drums myself, but I have
been interested and listened to drummers, wa= tch videos like this,
for 20 odd years.

Thanks again for widening my knowledge on all thi= ngs Joey Baron!

2012/3/5 andy butler <akbutler@tiscal= i.co.uk>

Petri,
I presume this is a 40 min drum solo post.

Back in the early seventies, length of drum solo
was a gauge of brilliance.
Imagine the suffering.

I enjoyed the Baron clip, which was actually a selection of shorter pieces.= ...but I play drums sometimes, that adds to the interest a lot.

I got the impression that the clip was intentionally
"drumming for drummers", and wouldn't want to criticise it for that.

andy

Petri Lahtinen wrote:

Andy, yes challenge to listener and performer, was my question.
But in case of Joey Baron, I could watch 3 hours of him playing,
and if I had some drinks and food near me, 8 hours if challenged :-D
He's just fabulous drummer and so inspiring to watch.

--
Petri
<= br>
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2012/3/5 kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com>= ;

ha ha i remember when everybody was sayin= ghe shud do dubstep

On Mar 5, 2012 3:51 AM, "Petri Lahtinen&quo= t; <kol= legavalmentaja@gmail.com> wrote:
= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DYnwfTHpnGLY

this is my favourit= e from the huge mouse head

--
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--14dae9340ef767e11a04ba859c65-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 6 02:54:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68402183475; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 02:54:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of phil.clevenger@gmail.com designates 10.43.52.10 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.43.52.10; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of phil.clevenger@gmail.com designates 10.43.52.10 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=phil.clevenger@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=phil.clevenger@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=ii+++WMo7Qglppg/HpfLxEzjD4ecHpu/DoF3Ev6DUR4=; b=AtYGiyGGfcyJoO8TnxUV+Y0lcnjzR5+Jyi37EzBg37euKHxCuf1AS//X7uF3/mXVxy JyKjftyDdevL3S5mtgU4PftLqanh0FfQQkgEZvfbQoqRSSXNPlnYtb69LfgmjcWc/pR1 JDnWrDvWOoaWpB6CHx3rVvSlhdgXbB9Wg9b4Y+PRe34Gsi+1vho0T0cyUSk7gK+JKlDw faBiTBJ1S5eiLg/0ZzIW1GqcM7qv2ycofL53se3swn0gc/G0JBXgYWzZ42hs2IvAK0cj T+SU+HC7AG16w1hqaaqmFloaiij2RAGlqEB3xsu3VXaXsPihOMXre9GMWYIJ9mIxESCU AVeA== From: Phil Clevenger Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-507957196 Subject: Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 18:54:35 -0800 In-Reply-To: <557F6C71-B185-476B-8545-D435B524B283@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <8DB62918-C95D-4520-A322-A64E1415AB4F@gmail.com> <36EFCE7D-2601-4369-90C6-3ADB078B57AC@gmail.com> <23528580-7B79-412B-B360-04CDC711A130@gmail.com> <4F5339E3.4010708@tiscali.co.uk> <20120304124451.40FEDD3FB9@server01.clifford.wightman.ca> <4F53AE8C.2010708@tiscali.co.uk> <9A8780D7-E179-4D2A-86AD-C9A4CEA7C3C0@gmail.com> <4F53D6F1.8000408@tiscali.co.uk> <3068A4C9-8E38-4EBF-91D3-AA6512FB0AF6@gmail. com> <4F53E4A7.30700@tiscali.co.uk> <5FD8BE26-C68A-4DDB-9B6C-BA3C5591E515@gmail.com> <557F6C71-B185-476B-8545-D435B524B283@gmail.com> Message-Id: <32BF28AF-7271-48EA-AD19-A805BF05FC2A@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 02:54:44 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-507957196 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii (sorry we are stirring up trouble Matthias!) On Mar 5, 2012, at 4:53 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: > the problem though, that the preset name does not change, only the = settings. Okay now that's pretty funny :) I will check that out as soon as I am = able. > that should work in case you route MIDI directly to the plugin I assume then, a few presses of the right Direct MIDI commands, as with = the EDP, should do the trick? Will try that as well. Phil :) --Apple-Mail-3-507957196 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
the problem though, that = the preset name does not change, only the = settings.

Okay now that's pretty funny = :) I will check that out as soon as I am = able.

that = should work in case you route MIDI directly to the = plugin

I assume then, a few presses of the = right Direct MIDI commands, as with the EDP, should do the trick? Will = try that as well.

Phil = :)

= --Apple-Mail-3-507957196-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 6 03:53:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADA0D183465; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 03:53:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=FuLLv0SJ38p9UWX70NBqDT8I5ePkEOYn8HeuNX1iWGE=; b=ogXiFDCZefq+o9crepwFm6fD2qHwIJAF8Mklj/4lo4mdye6yT2iGjReHJH0Gjexe+W b0eyFHMjF4N/TpuVvhdM6+AGM37z92LuGSurJmZHm6akr7vDOKgN370Oh0aov3p7817G g0nLJSDKxGTqsenuqRlGGUE+WZmHhPquVO7EB5y7hrira4HWogovl0zky0YKo6bHMabd igpr+K7JbmnErAwm/PzIexgO/1gvinii6QXnAH64NfqH4VoqGZsJSlVNaFjgkAqVnXvM 4GZB0wSvAxBMZQ3GYmHyq7ogwt5UAxjfTMqZpAp5944mum/x76xeJEt4IVFHdIUkxA2x yzSQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 21:53:29 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Tape Loops (Paul McCartney from RS....) From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0444ee1b629d3304ba8afc81 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 03:53:30 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0444ee1b629d3304ba8afc81 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 read this in a recent issue of RS...issue w/ paul mccartney.... "Up in Studio Two's control room, the most melodic songwriter of his generation is making some serious noise. McCartney is twisting knobs on an ancient tape machine, messing with a loop of a guitar lick he just played. He speeds it up until it becomes a beyond-Yoko shriek, slows it down until it sounds like droning sludge. He punches "stop" and smiles. "We do have fun, don't we?" He's working with producer Ethan Johns-the tall, bearded son of producer-engineering Glyn Johns, who worked on 'Let it Be'-on potential tape-loop overdubs for 'Hosannah.' " thought it was interesting to read about tape loops and speeding up & slowing them down....being used on his recent project.... s--- --f46d0444ee1b629d3304ba8afc81 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
read this in a recent issue of=A0RS...issue w/ paul mccartney....
"Up in Studio Two's control room, the most melodic songwrite= r of his generation
is making some serious noise. McCartney is tw= isting knobs on an ancient tape machine, messing with a loop of a guitar li= ck

he just played. He speeds it up until it becomes a beyond-Yoko shriek,= slows it down until it sounds like droning sludge. He punches
&q= uot;stop" and smiles. "We do have fun, don't we?"

=A0 He's working with producer Ethan Johns-the tall, bearded son o= f producer-engineering Glyn Johns, who worked on 'Let it Be'-on
potential tape-loop overdubs for 'Hosannah.' "

=A0
thought it was interesting to read about tape loops and = speeding up & slowing them down....being used on his recent project....=
s---
--f46d0444ee1b629d3304ba8afc81-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 6 07:04:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63FD7183465; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 07:04:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of ploboris@gmail.com designates 10.42.157.195 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.42.157.195; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of ploboris@gmail.com designates 10.42.157.195 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=ploboris@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=ploboris@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=NWTE6BTe6uGn3rKlDNg6bBb046RrzqHJqOfxr4I9OB0=; b=sG17JknJfGniWqoujIs4SE9VDWLAO3WJsi03MkWaPKBeBlsGSKpIPyEN5iphXIHfB8 C3cLHBpkUki372L3RMdbWZGWjTeRcStVK6bmm5TmLH0mouZjWX74/oZOP2ZUuYdNYAaw uxctdRIdTcJ7PdVS7jAPIEBjzegf1si3rel8jHeos0tg/tM6hgPNUkHEg4d3/izhoYwU mu3Ov1YT/ntRlBQofL+/rKZuuhDk3yvB4OE6Sq8vSGujA6rH6m4s9qJVSgLLxtYo0PPU pfXzuEME6fJiTvhS9NSlV9IklVgJy+bjtlibpUpgmkW9xDW89xk7Bj7MbUbWH0UNjpb+ z6eg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 12:04:48 +0500 Message-ID: Subject: livelooping harmonca Take Five From: Boris Plotnikov To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 07:04:49 +0000 (UTC) Hi! My first video using Boss RC-30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=I61zqsVcrto -- Thanks, Boris Plotnikov http://borisplotnikov.ru From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 6 12:20:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63109183463; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 12:20:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com designates 10.43.44.69 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.43.44.69; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com designates 10.43.44.69 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=HRiihrrq5RlL7YQkSSeMQX21WkpqKWPUOPnAn30VdOU=; b=sZdWbSedlVmG/M5CRTDT9lEJNR2PJs6PsWygJVZyvrk6pEjMJ6Ptj617/ku/F4Km6y l9JZzkCyfl2WLYjQGZu9boAbp0Y4MvS1crjJffn1AoKXKDJqH7AquU8a0/BCHjWDctjY r8a7iq10abk1gN4A1hw/kScPa29TTFJ0I65FQX7BbmfnQBU7lwB8Tbk73S2HL5jQkcqb wfmplVcnbS16JJbvSZazMwqkd+w/TGnek1/jxzNSx1+WrW4QbOAGqJ08LzUU7/gNQTu4 OU2e+qQLRKW0xqOfJ9jYwZypIYZ4RVftMkSaXPbtK/2wertI4Icv6W3l8RlXFK23XTsv p8Xw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 14:20:18 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: livelooping harmonca Take Five From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec52e5f89ee9f4404ba9210ce Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 12:20:20 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec52e5f89ee9f4404ba9210ce Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Virtuoso! 2012/3/6 Boris Plotnikov > Hi! > My first video using Boss RC-30 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=I61zqsVcrto > > -- > Thanks, Boris Plotnikov > http://borisplotnikov.ru > > -- Petri --bcaec52e5f89ee9f4404ba9210ce Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Virtuoso!

2012/3/6 Boris Plotnikov <ploboris@gmail.com>
Hi!
My first video using Boss RC-30

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=3Dplayer= _embedded&v=3DI61zqsVcrto

--
Thanks, Boris Plotnikov
http://borisplotniko= v.ru

--
Petri

--bcaec52e5f89ee9f4404ba9210ce-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 6 12:21:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4063E183473; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 12:21:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com designates 10.43.49.195 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.43.49.195; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com designates 10.43.49.195 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=WcpOQvsheyVD6PHmEi5fU5TgbIMMzkQvX6SKoIHYc/A=; b=dQwWcQ1gA/hw9tXZv5WkVSUstk0m17NiPCSmxJOQRKt9c8gkJDvl77xABwBl0HuQTG dNiAB+eQxbsFPOqoAK16OrTCQn6nd3Vv06F0ICyzWgZfoeAcpOIRLdcPBLDRIiPp4rrr ht52izDTFF941WXj9b+imE3Z4oPCKvXpMLxSNzeCyvl4xSlVGv4OPmFbj1/6MMskgWZu GGoy/KRO1fIdKoWNDyYLXDb1dMeeqIFExACq5xq9spnMuCcGNn7Cjpt+YjhQ9pSaPzTH 53eKrtZsobyYYOG6FI3DxwIdDO6GxVTGONcocLgHoSvI6hZPiKSfoVfGOAAMI4qDlRJh QeiA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 14:21:22 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Tape Loops (Paul McCartney from RS....) From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec52999a7b7aa7c04ba9214fc Resent-Message-ID: <_WBfnB.A.ueB.CFgVPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 12:21:22 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec52999a7b7aa7c04ba9214fc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 care to share that link? RS? 2012/3/6 Scott Hansen > read this in a recent issue of RS...issue w/ paul mccartney.... > "Up in Studio Two's control room, the most melodic songwriter of his > generation > is making some serious noise. McCartney is twisting knobs on an ancient > tape machine, messing with a loop of a guitar lick > he just played. He speeds it up until it becomes a beyond-Yoko shriek, > slows it down until it sounds like droning sludge. He punches > "stop" and smiles. "We do have fun, don't we?" > He's working with producer Ethan Johns-the tall, bearded son of > producer-engineering Glyn Johns, who worked on 'Let it Be'-on > potential tape-loop overdubs for 'Hosannah.' " > > thought it was interesting to read about tape loops and speeding up & > slowing them down....being used on his recent project.... > s--- > -- Petri --bcaec52999a7b7aa7c04ba9214fc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable care to share that link? RS?

2012/3/6 Sc= ott Hansen <ev= anpeewee@gmail.com>

read this in a recent issue of=A0RS...issue w/ paul mccartney....
"Up in Studio Two's control room, the most melodic songwrite= r of his generation
is making some serious noise. McCartney is tw= isting knobs on an ancient tape machine, messing with a loop of a guitar li= ck

he just played. He speeds it up until it becomes a beyond-Yoko shriek,= slows it down until it sounds like droning sludge. He punches
&q= uot;stop" and smiles. "We do have fun, don't we?"

=A0 He's working with producer Ethan Johns-the tall, bearded son o= f producer-engineering Glyn Johns, who worked on 'Let it Be'-on
potential tape-loop overdubs for 'Hosannah.' "

=A0
thought it was interesting to read about tape loops and = speeding up & slowing them down....being used on his recent project....=
s---

--
Petri

--bcaec52999a7b7aa7c04ba9214fc-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 6 17:50:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 935D8183465; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 17:50:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of moinsound@googlemail.com designates 10.204.130.76 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.204.130.76; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of moinsound@googlemail.com designates 10.204.130.76 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=moinsound@googlemail.com; dkim=pass header.i=moinsound@googlemail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=efuCw64IMZwM7cnQUhoqmKpnJc+yTa1u5tpYGT0l3ks=; b=QbYa33HiGcumZnvuvF0mYUrvwykj4295d60lL+FqWevlwXkbj9dyL4nE2BWSyh4DGR 13hBZUCNkAseAX4hJzb5iP90DKCZHy0h7veMyo74cI7Cm1yd+Oml91llLE3ZBYWC13GW ZglJtZrbbwMT36FCORNIkUbrDbpm/DaZCK3TufG781hIT5YS/9d8c4uYJJBb0lkS5OWP IU7Bxm4Vgu3pKxQMcsA4GH2DOWP8gJ5Wfwo2hm4WbyD3KmaWlsU6FxxAGy4R6JBwfu20 Pbf0qdeC0WMBhMhy/bQCaiKfTTogHYDoURrP7jQ79F2hX++dB3pEqeobzt3v3/X29qP2 20mA== Message-ID: <4F564E62.5040601@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 18:50:26 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Looper's Delight Mailing List Subject: OT: Setting xover for 2.1 setup Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 17:50:22 +0000 (UTC) Ok, wildly offtopic for the studio sound geeks here: I am using a monitoring setup consisting of two Dynaudio BM5A nearfields, which are specified with 50-21k Hz (and crossover at 1.5kHz, in case that's relevant). Right now, when using a calibrated K-setup, they are running at -10dB for K-20 calibrated monitoring, so there's enough level remaining "to the top". I decided to extend that to a 2.1 setup using a single Dynaudio BM14S. Now the nearfields have a HP, offering flat, 60Hz and 80Hz frequencies, while the sub can be set to LP at 50-150Hz. Now, I'm deciding between the 60 or 80 Hz crossover. My line of argument goes like this: 60 Hz: * generally, easier to get to sound good w/ regard to phase thingies * larger range in binaural reproduction. 80Hz: * could get more SPL (but not relevant here) * would relieve the nearfields' LF speakers to concentrate more on the low mids. Ok: your recommendations? Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 6 18:02:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9643183465; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 18:02:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.236.145.2 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.236.145.2; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.236.145.2 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=perboysen@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=perboysen@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=VoqBFC9EG9iKoXxxHENrb3Qdrcb0SA1OPIgxASCy/jM=; b=oDlNilYW1eAUuoYQD6SUn5WnQaK8/VEqmQ12XSzjIzK8TlEu7A2dY8RH6Rk0YhUiaW 2u/mw22I7RS4EMTmE5SJqlpJ8429DiDP0kBQAABtvcN1Wke3rWzci6JnXexNINOM0PuV kQXzymnVvkuw5mUcigSGrxaoEivn+udBAhOLuOdP7PKTPJ/W1TgSl6JnUuv+jV1yivtp sE/pew/etEKAv7bchtURfOWl8DoX8injdbHX29sJ56fCuvf/N1zeVSXLfg4oV48kusX2 SWO9jz0Banw/f6kdGqX5QW19tyq3fdUt20T4X6wjcIQH4qS8a5UwDJo2+k4tslcQ/Nxx wTNQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F564E62.5040601@googlemail.com> References: <4F564E62.5040601@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 19:02:57 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Setting xover for 2.1 setup From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 18:02:58 +0000 (UTC) Chose the x-over point that sounds best in your particular control room. After all, the material you are working with is your own experience of the sound as you are seated right there. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > Ok, wildly offtopic for the studio sound geeks here: > > I am using a monitoring setup consisting of two Dynaudio BM5A nearfields, > which are specified with 50-21k Hz (and crossover at 1.5kHz, in case that= 's > relevant). > Right now, when using a calibrated K-setup, they are running at -10dB for > K-20 calibrated monitoring, so there's enough level remaining "to the top= ". > > I decided to extend that to a 2.1 setup using a single Dynaudio BM14S. No= w > the nearfields have a HP, offering flat, 60Hz and 80Hz frequencies, while > the sub can be set to LP at 50-150Hz. > > Now, I'm deciding between the 60 or 80 Hz crossover. My line of argument > goes like this: > 60 Hz: > > =C2=A0 * generally, easier to get to sound good w/ regard to phase thingi= es > =C2=A0 * larger range in binaural reproduction. > > 80Hz: > > =C2=A0 * could get more SPL (but not relevant here) > =C2=A0 * would relieve the nearfields' LF speakers to concentrate more on > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 the low mids. > > Ok: your recommendations? > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Rainer > > -- > http://moinlabs.de > Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 6 18:21:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46EC3183461; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 18:21:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.152.128.163 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.152.128.163; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.152.128.163 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=markfrancombe@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=markfrancombe@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=ebJkiTQC5mAmJF3d2cpC6hs1CVs+Z4h2gWgywhdgubM=; b=zssMgAyHDNcr5zPCK1D4wgboX+BEbP6U+N4WoOAUIa6FlhUBakgiKkUCXgjezOmS6x QO0nqjJKKqzvW5q4ojsWr691qoKeHQWg40tLsL4H9yEXOGys3JyVGIA7k2mISjMF1WG4 U/pZCPNqTMoH/wiIXdVlrQ8wp3MluDAcA/RG9zWSo+OHWEbhDOvTInQeWMX6BSaWnTTx IwinWWeO3k0Uk0KaozSmKO0qZch2gbMA9UwxlXCC7Fv6KP6zZilFVxewpFNiYOAeX9F0 2ZO3Hf3/CcXxYcGuMLoBDvjVlstfHH7bA0Nq8lXzDQT1FPrrwEuuWMgE9TKV1y8c3K6C 2rfQ== From: mark francombe Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 19:21:19 +0100 Message-ID: <7348933114842460053@unknownmsgid> Subject: 16 bit 48 all we need? To: loopers-delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 18:21:24 +0000 (UTC) I snagged this URL from Geir Jennsens (biosphere) Fb page... if its true its pretty interesting, any audiophiles wanna confirm or deny? Maybe it's common knowledge? http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html I'm pretty lo fi, have bad equipment. and never really been able to hear "good quality" I have always put high fidelity down to " good mixing" rather than high specs... so I enjoyed what I read here... mark Sent from my (advertisement removed) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 6 18:27:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50781183464; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 18:27:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 739878451/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.70.120.61/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.70.120.61 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvcCAIFWVk9PRng9/2dsb2JhbAAMN7NiA4QPAQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYd+uWqLOYIDgyIEmw+KRoJj X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,540,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="739878451" Message-ID: <4F56571C.8090603@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 18:27:40 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Setting xover for 2.1 setup References: <4F564E62.5040601@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <4F564E62.5040601@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 18:27:41 +0000 (UTC) Rainer Straschill wrote: > Ok: your recommendations? probably "what per said" ;-) but.. I expect you want to line up the -6dB points on the frequency responses. Don't know if those frequencies you quoted were -6dB points, but if not then a further look at the response curves is in order. So, it's conceivable the freq set on the sub would be lower than that on the mains for the most even response. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 6 19:16:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BAA78183464; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 19:16:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.236.145.2 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.236.145.2; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.236.145.2 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=perboysen@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=perboysen@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=4qjNMwqsQUAULAuK7oHpbA8dPrcPwYLp8YWBI+ZzhgM=; b=VPMXcTZ6NS+OJbhGQ+ytEJb0s5xIBg6sqZrlXi3lXDDDijOzlNc9BhBZtsFRBYtyaU fDHWc4wuVzqIXasxgzjEPxZsfRGtKM3r/rxiTf5ct7uizJWbxvmDxDz9Jzj3VRhHLXaT F5AKC4nx5wMX0b6zK9GKe6jGNeAl6rMjITnF4mM3nDZWCuzCfrMRn4tZgtMe+YVPP6H9 oZLaVohP6M5+tBPHuKhPoXQjCrmXd9AcOYOIwTsUsL7yum7xP0+7v2BdJyZVroDOn50t UTGTI3HhE0WZzlKVGJ6FFc0MhbEXElR/D3F/feKfOQ228RvVvFu0a7XXKZsrfocVwUBK GyMg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7348933114842460053@unknownmsgid> References: <7348933114842460053@unknownmsgid> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 20:16:11 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 16 bit 48 all we need? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 19:16:12 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 7:21 PM, mark francombe wrote: > I snagged this URL from Geir Jennsens (biosphere) Fb page... if its > true its pretty interesting, any audiophiles wanna confirm or deny? > Maybe it's common knowledge? > > http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html > > I'm pretty lo fi, have bad equipment. and never really been able to > hear "good quality" I have always put high fidelity down to " good > mixing" rather than high specs... so I enjoyed what I read here... I'm not an audiophile. My decisions are rather based on pragmatism; what sounds best and what is needed by my clients. That article pretty much confirms my own methods. Some years ago I made a test to see of 196k really is "better". I found that when played back from Logic a 196 k file did not sound better than a 44,1 k file. However, I found a huge difference if the files were indulged in digital processing! The explanation is of course that the higher sampling frequency better matches the higher internal digital processing in Logic. A DAW, Digital Audio Workstation, is all about mathematics and when doing lot of approximations you will of course get the best results by summing at a higher resolution. Interesting was that for digital processing I found a sort of "sweet-spot" at 96 k and 196 k didn't sound better to me than 96 k. But when going down to 44.1 k EQ and virtual instruments sounded less rich. I always work at the bit depth 24. That is not because it sounds better, it is because of the higher headroom that makes it more convenient, faster and safer to handle digital audio, not risking to clip the signal so easily. My usual working format is 24/48, for the simple reason that my biggest client wants that so the music can fit directly into a film mix. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 6 19:19:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56B02183474; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 19:19:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of simart@gmail.com designates 10.50.153.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.50.153.169; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of simart@gmail.com designates 10.50.153.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=simart@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=simart@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=n0mzOCkKCYe1RTqEbfDoijVZ1B+RGRXvFJyMAWkECRk=; b=XovVJOO9n9asLJI6z/hiLBOBOEuQezQCvFU4rY1PVlpzm6NTakx5Y07HpN1YbqJtRW zHvkaiSV79r46hed2BBeibUSMalDqG4E9e7bfoFOumcFfUVgNLsbcJ5nIa4J2vzzJERJ ybAwRSeTbPDQIVpr/cZBXIhSNTQea/x6r0p4aU2HCszkwPHaTBpNIMcgK/qoxihlqB5l ObgXL6SjfV2L65D5EG1RzEsiWuG8b0G2vtOrfyvIkoK8qNyJEpdyAzqIYuyq43C+bBPh YwKWpE54B7QFuwnGHFTiZZ+C2vImWdb1sgDWZco+jSq977+0KVHlFxf8BB9+jUOXgtih KyiQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7348933114842460053@unknownmsgid> References: <7348933114842460053@unknownmsgid> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 11:19:14 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 16 bit 48 all we need? From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f2351df28c62504ba97eb62 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 19:19:16 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f2351df28c62504ba97eb62 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Wow, great article Mark! I've always been happy with 16 bit 48khz, audio, but then I'm cheap and I certainly don't have "golden ears." The one thing that struck me is that with 192khz recordings there are ultrasonics that cause distortion. It's entirely conceivable to me that people find that distortion pleasing and prefer 192khz recordings for that reason, just like some people prefer analog gear that introduces distortion, The listening tests, though seem to imply that the ultrasonic distortion is theoretical and inaudible. This article is well timed, as I just bought a 16 bit 48 khz Akai EIE audio interface and was debating whether I should spring the extra money for the "pro" 24/192 version. At least according to this article I made the right choice. Thanks! On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:21 AM, mark francombe wrote: > I snagged this URL from Geir Jennsens (biosphere) Fb page... if its > true its pretty interesting, any audiophiles wanna confirm or deny? > Maybe it's common knowledge? > > http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html > > I'm pretty lo fi, have bad equipment. and never really been able to > hear "good quality" I have always put high fidelity down to " good > mixing" rather than high specs... so I enjoyed what I read here... > > mark > > Sent from my (advertisement removed) > > -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com --e89a8f2351df28c62504ba97eb62 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow, great article Mark! I've always been happy with 16 bit 48khz, audi= o, but then I'm cheap and I certainly don't have "golden ears.= "

The one thing that struck me is that with 192khz = recordings there are ultrasonics that cause distortion. It's entirely c= onceivable to me that people find that distortion pleasing and prefer 192kh= z recordings for that reason, just like some people prefer analog gear that= introduces distortion, The listening tests, though seem to imply that the = ultrasonic distortion is=A0theoretical=A0and inaudible.

This article is well timed, as I just bought a 16 bit 4= 8 khz Akai EIE audio interface and was =A0debating whether I should spring = the extra money for the "pro" 24/192 version. At least according = to this article I made the right choice. Thanks!

On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:21 AM, mark franco= mbe <markfr= ancombe@gmail.com> wrote:
I snagged this URL from Geir Jennsens (biosphere) Fb page... if its
true its pretty interesting, any audiophiles wanna confirm or deny?
Maybe it's common knowledge?

http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html

I'm pretty lo fi, have bad equipment. and never really been able to
hear "good quality" I have always put high fidelity down to "= ; good
mixing" rather than high specs... so I enjoyed what I read here...

mark

Sent from my (advertisement removed)

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--e89a8f2351df28c62504ba97eb62-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 6 19:23:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B9A0183473; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 19:23:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of evanpeewee@gmail.com designates 10.216.135.66 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.216.135.66; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of evanpeewee@gmail.com designates 10.216.135.66 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=evanpeewee@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=evanpeewee@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=B67HG7MsOdoXQZNqu60G3+nv8wUX7Lam8Vn/TE2Kz/s=; b=hFUp26N+ygEU59Ud80m9mv8CCK56yINjRGPJVWgGCFFO3jzuZ4cxH8i0hZntLnfA+M zfT9c5YSvsUPZWOE39YRSeOUmRGuAEbxE49/LjK9OVf2Ici90e44TdAQ1iNOS1htFxCc HOPE1/WvJq9Dr8FGCyyG/EWqRMKNSv0UKYYTZbRrst7JrmsBSpcpRQ6I2bBtq/R66kCw 7rDLgF661L0EdjmJ+OvfAhT9obSQWol1rl6NvJHizUA9oIbbqfHstRiOM27km1IpQkLw 4bznuBJBGXoJzFd7xaMlFkwIlgzDZS5C+gXsbiClPu8gxrW0Bi/j7fpE7PAQYZY4ELMz /fDQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 13:23:20 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: floratone II released From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6de0024cede2004ba97f90d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 19:23:21 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6de0024cede2004ba97f90d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 just saw this: http://www.billfrisell.com/discography/floratone-ii thought people would enjoy... s--- --0016e6de0024cede2004ba97f90d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 just saw this:

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--0016e6de0024cede2004ba97f90d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 6 20:23:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55B12183466; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 20:23:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.152.123.76 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.152.123.76; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.152.123.76 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=markfrancombe@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=markfrancombe@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=grd2nZoISPlw1UY3q0QmpH4NAJJN2xDvwE+1pczVmyQ=; b=NtAiwTKcWNbHcX1xYFBqQ+gOxRCzyCTTF4qNSGRmkwJSLxd0xcEZhjU+oLm98R4ta7 CaboqlZUAIIpHCl8f3XJHb22pzsKlXcqx1Vkq5Ey4ZIK8j2GH/kBijODpK+HKpOtVOb3 u9k9G4fWpGZmBgE6690qGwz486JMkPXtQDJGodpRcswhQC/oLXUmoG1lP0WkZ989tAmk fRvSysM4eIG6iAaA/itIYnZ30WVTDc3JfoEs3h8RgmXu6KDm88jy9HWdq+Y9MPsrGq/X PizbpnAsr15fqLilt4T3BCj4lATflo8Q5waBNn1x7kfqszKwokAlzZtmZjuUqhVBPcli +8wQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <7348933114842460053@unknownmsgid> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 21:23:14 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5qppqQQbPGiWcaXOPhyGHaiP6AE Message-ID: Subject: Re: 16 bit 48 all we need? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04374f19393aa504ba98d1ae Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 20:23:36 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04374f19393aa504ba98d1ae Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 8:16 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > indulged in digital processing! Please explain what you meant by this? -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d04374f19393aa504ba98d1ae Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 8:16 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
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--f46d04374f19393aa504ba98d1ae-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 6 20:34:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA3B2183465; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 20:34:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.101.3.22 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.101.3.22; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.101.3.22 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=perboysen@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=perboysen@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=z7C/ryPfYbAgLFWKkfOEPfSpUg2Jznit41Xyg+20/kk=; b=CRnZ6PAk+eLz1H9nP1tMhIJQFKuSDf3zffNE/NQZ7fG9iHV+e+s52WmQFi2u4eKTnl JmS7RnJOlny4rp6sSHvuCS5wiUAkEi4oTRAEeDHCAiIWRy8Wfo0H/0LmnG5AKHYMZaX1 3XskqYCM2xl+qAYuo9aRCSkfZQoDgETzOJwEoJy8tYE2ADoAmEJ8SmEQngItwYSWiOHy iqClc9N5uJ8gx48t91Wtmyr5BeACFbffh7mNRsF2C7dhMT3rvUTdbN7xPobGF+/yiGRm 7chy98zuzK1jIMZR0eSojUiVLnRkydeRF7o+r8nAVxuWh3XX2s1pgYvFlRyYvVK/3hjr pNMg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <7348933114842460053@unknownmsgid> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 21:34:47 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 16 bit 48 all we need? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <7R3aZ.A.oXG.oTnVPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 20:34:48 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 9:23 PM, mark francombe wrote: > On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 8:16 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> indulged in digital processing! > > > Please explain what you meant by this? For example doing things like: - mixing down several channels to fewer channels, - shaping timbre by EQ, - compressing a signal, - playing a software synthesizer, - using digital reverb... or any effect. Any process that includes a digital code being applied to an audio stream/file is DSP. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 6 20:38:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 642AA183463; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 20:38:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 736888305/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.70.120.61/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.70.120.61 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlADAPp0Vk9PRng9/2dsb2JhbAAMNxaycgFkBIQQAQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYd+ELlKinGCXYMiBJsPikaCYw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,542,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="736888305" Message-ID: <4F5675AA.4030701@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 20:38:02 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 16 bit 48 all we need? References: <7348933114842460053@unknownmsgid> In-Reply-To: <7348933114842460053@unknownmsgid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 20:38:17 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe wrote: > Maybe it's common knowledge? > > http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html There's a little bit of handwaving in this where it mentions oversampling as being benificial to anti-alias filtering, so ultimately it's not rigorous. I think it's reasonable to assume that 192kHz sampling has no advantage over 96kHz sampling...and I've heard it said that it's harder to make a stable clock for 192kHz, so that 96kHz (or lower?) can sound better. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 6 21:46:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9071183466; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 21:46:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4tym16/7XwDSuy7iNmNo8vSIRJ2iP4EssIYlroF0wgw=; b=AlJ4TEjFLRoIlKQF41N/kUzVG2gpAQd2SjPkwI3FTVnpXz0EeMwS08C8kNAHly4kBw /fQlSqBvWgZfko+djXAqo/kah7bkrMSY/o+g2i2e6K+qr0+JKN/a/+khMnBXu7k1uvWu vZaGueyWW4ERa1GQan2iPBDptz3/Q3CJzuY/FkpkKo4h8g2CCKsMjpZOGbTQ2aYA1JE+ Z6ASCriEkiC/2sQzq4k9hv3e6eRqSZkZpl0WAZJkQz+dKyWIYbnViWPI8VnzYeH+dQgY yyQPCu5dIEEIi2RbwVkztL05Q+W++M21oUlYutKzXLxi6Ou2usnkWx6BUjdO+JTfWGx7 aqWg== Message-ID: <4F56859E.80804@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 22:46:06 +0100 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 16 bit 48 all we need? References: <7348933114842460053@unknownmsgid> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 21:46:08 +0000 (UTC) Am 06.03.2012 20:16, schrieb Per Boysen: > matches the higher internal digital processing in Logic. A DAW, > Digital Audio Workstation, is all about mathematics and when doing lot > of approximations you will of course get the best results by summing > at a higher resolution. What is the connection between sample rate and summing? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 6 21:58:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C04EB183465; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 21:58:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.236.155.101 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.236.155.101; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.236.155.101 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=perboysen@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=perboysen@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=rVo4tSMxGANL3Ry1heo3rCsJu3s+vesL4YI1h5pKOYU=; b=VCw7Wc8h9IAyOL7C3CFP/V5ZgiCZweOoPDa0RWA2G6UMEnWBF6IwVeGC2N2b6WfM3h kex2gqd5rodEZxCIajqtgU/gEb+edNLRqtg22pVmi1EpvpzEoJ5FDXBMV1Erq/XvJFsy Hy/kg0lZmZwsEcDu0DVDvCSIbAjvsuhUMQcbwPFiQCvo0zixOi6ihIFn/viZ0VE7nPCy pQ0InwhJnE4QKzcVegeGYR8ckHY6+qJJG1+i7uM2s0u4D92A69x6mqNDfjc+VG2IRNjO 3W9i8G5VTGljT1EF+J/MRQdhWFELRqFTD/OwQNUFBBeWhryU3YPtfjfkIQWx17fC6H+w S2vw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F56859E.80804@googlemail.com> References: <7348933114842460053@unknownmsgid> <4F56859E.80804@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 22:58:56 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 16 bit 48 all we need? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 21:58:57 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Am 06.03.2012 20:16, schrieb Per Boysen: >> >> matches the higher internal digital processing in Logic. A DAW, Digital >> Audio Workstation, is all about mathematics and when doing lot of >> approximations you will of course get the best results by summing at a >> higher resolution. > > What is the connection between sample rate and summing? I don't know if there is any such connection. But summing in a piece of software gives a better sounding result when the software can work at a higher resolution. Well, maybe you could call that "a connection", although it's a "third-party connection" ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 6 22:32:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32562183464; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 22:32:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1223 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 06 Mar 2012 22:32:44 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=DR7v4dGBNywT1nvCOozV94FU8UMahr9KM6jKA17L3Rvl3JGKfDoMW2y440zTuJtf; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <30113768.1331071940803.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 16:12:20 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: Grant Reply-To: Grant To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: so long -- and further off topic. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 X-ELNK-Trace: 4627597e215714c3ca853a8129e90869f402879cecb40bd55405c4cfd774e748fe00d0b5ea91723b8637dbe13d91201f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.42 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 22:32:45 +0000 (UTC)
Some may find this article interesting:

http://spectrum.ieee.org/geek-life/tools-toys/made-by-apple-in-name-only

Seems some of these fancy toys may even have some blood on them.

G

-----Original Message-----
From: Petri Lahtinen
Sent: Mar 5, 2012 5:58 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Re: so long -- and further off topic.

Btw, Rick this is in the heart of the "Homeland" ;-)

Really, really interesting discussion, thanks everyone, loved reading this?

2012/3/5 Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com>

On 3/3/12 2:16 PM, Daniel Thomas wrote:

*Sounds like Slavery to me. *
Yeah, but who wants to pay tax on an iPhone and who has the cheapest price?

<official sarcasm>

rick walker

--
Petri

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 6 22:51:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0A3D183460; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 22:51:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=foa8FlVNuWm5gsvRPJnDf56bJCXEk1YfIKQwnYEqwPmzLufDbFdGiuMipErgNLoZ; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <7348933114842460053@unknownmsgid> <4F56859E.80804@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 17:51:22 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: 16 bit 48 all we need? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79e5ae3e9543473084a0201cc9141061c9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: <2T8jXD.A.MZ.wTpVPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 22:51:28 +0000 (UTC) Actually, summing is a process by which individual (analog) outputs are taken from the DAW and combined externally using a fixed gain combiner (mixer) known as a "summing box". I't benefits were born out of the audible limitations of Pro Tools fixed point summing math, which would clip internally in a very harsh and unpleasant way. By running the signal out of individual converters, the user would typically pay more attention to the levels (by using the meters on the converters) and produce a "better" mix. Other than that it's meaningless and running any -problem free- summed output through analog converters and outboard gear will result in an audible improvement (generally speaking). A program like Logic has over 1536dB of internal headroom and so internal digital clipping can not happen. -Chuck Zwicky PS: I mix records professionally for a living, and have done so for nearly 30 years. 99.9999999% of the album projects I see are sent to me at 44.1/24... At 22:58 +0100 6/3/12, Per Boysen wrote: >On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > wrote: >> Am 06.03.2012 20:16, schrieb Per Boysen: >>> >>> matches the higher internal digital processing in Logic. A DAW, Digital >>> Audio Workstation, is all about mathematics and when doing lot of >>> approximations you will of course get the best results by summing at a >>> higher resolution. >> >> What is the connection between sample rate and summing? > >I don't know if there is any such connection. But summing in a piece >of software gives a better sounding result when the software can work >at a higher resolution. Well, maybe you could call that "a >connection", although it's a "third-party connection" ;-) > >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen >www.perboysen.com >http://www.youtube.com/perboysen -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 6 23:37:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E901183463; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 23:37:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.101.187.13 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.101.187.13; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of perboysen@gmail.com designates 10.101.187.13 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=perboysen@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=perboysen@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=fexlHgsoYM1wr/lgAeJ3kIGvHFw2m9ERaC7uYARovt8=; b=XxVHKL9AutJdeZRkSEH5/NkWqvkKegKLnys4J64bwfliFk3OaLLbXwR6wHeglJU40b rtEVZbd1RFDdEr6Y4w+yAK780ytDIAuYp9v3Gg01eOGqPGg0gkoZiOc2JMThgvq8fYbx OgcHWhpYsgu000hnahEriZKbH69y/QtzGeevd2at8NBPHDF2CdNOVdRx7QBc90XCm99a b1zZmGKrfInL0E3v/kJoMbgFuRFAeb+ZrlY8zTuPVTMGQrcpyRP93AddD2ecJC2iI+6h UTTiqjNzXvR4w8iYzz4a/RpKEit/Bs6+sVxd8iu3KMaFH1ZD5Ttf6bwCntara6Ln92OS X9+w== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <7348933114842460053@unknownmsgid> <4F56859E.80804@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 00:37:08 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 16 bit 48 all we need? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 23:37:09 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 11:51 PM, Charles Zwicky wrote: > Actually, summing is a process by which individual (analog) outputs are > taken from the DAW and combined externally using a fixed gain combiner > (mixer) known as a "summing box". Please let me note that I did not mention such analog summing in my answer to Mark's question. I totally ment digital summing when mentioning summing as one example of digital signal processing that may give a better sonic result when running the software at a higher resolution. Not meaning to be picky here, just want to keep the discussion easy to follow ;-) I'm all for 24/44.1 although I deliver 24/48 for film/video as requested. I don't think the slightly better sounding DSP at 96 k (for a few processes in Logic) weighs up for the extra work that comes with 96k. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 6 23:58:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94649183465; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 23:58:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gNuBIr3pv8QDDGKgLaK+ate9Oh1o3h1/Z5UcC2r/1z0=; b=rQc01B8zpb7SY++9rIyH4du8P6TG0QW79XeVBmBOei/X2lWdpO4yRbo0ZmziCNNzYj az2JUM/kPJEZxrE0ZdUKFnnqiXgHAY7njWnngTo9rVQAqK1pO+7R5/YqdA8B7taDpYO6 oiNkZ9ObMOdRr2Gf7M1JEdVvtRJWBCWJ5EVQK5IL4nKZs4S4EJvK+CJweZX+6gYqppG2 crKeRN+HiF+wUTmawM03LtDn94SqaoFmoaHQfcqXdpMNShDG5jp7sHZeeeJn8StmnGwI GQZxbonhl/slfXMwYDSLHrvxsSVwjgDC7KcwwkpO7zpH4RaeF8QsH3+vZfa18e3teD97 QFMQ== Message-ID: <4F56A49C.3020801@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 00:58:20 +0100 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 16 bit 48 all we need? References: <7348933114842460053@unknownmsgid> <4F56859E.80804@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 23:58:16 +0000 (UTC) Am 07.03.2012 00:37, schrieb Per Boysen: > Please let me note that I did not mention such analog summing in my > answer to Mark's question. I totally ment digital summing when > mentioning summing as one example of digital signal processing that > may give a better sonic result My point in my question was that it seemed to me that you mixed up sample rate (i.e. kHz) and sample depth in your line of argument, which, to paraphrase, went "it makes sense to use 96kHz for the editing process because when mixing down multiple tracks, that's better because of summing". My point: it makes sense to use e.g. 32IEEE instead of 16 bit, even if your target format is 16bit, but this has nothing to do whatsoever with the sample rate, because summing is done for each sample individually. Other than that: I'm all for 24/48 in the recording process - 24 because of the obivous reasons mentioned in the article and 48 because I still remember ABX experiments (albeit with now outdated 80s hardware) which found an improvement of 48 vs 44.1, at least for trained ears (and the DAW calculates with 32IEEE anyway, and yes, I still believe that 64bit is rubbish). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 00:00:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6C5A183463; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 00:00:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.112.25.226 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.112.25.226; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of markfrancombe@gmail.com designates 10.112.25.226 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=markfrancombe@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=markfrancombe@gmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=GkzFYPKazucpXg7yllRjd3TGVtF/JrJy8WvxVf7Cd60=; b=U1lE1y5PQv3XLGwlH8lC8EC19OtpJKSJWFVbWP3a03vQFLHC3HOshxzpZfNJ7agKcU RdVm04/H012dL0OaePVaeGoB15Dq6icfkcmqUM4AnnIdnykd38xdxM0DOp77QqXY/7Kx Gkzoor4bCM2dZGniGM1vnr9Itd/HN3toYqpelMINQNPPy0ULOZDxnihE0idUOxb5itJE /JjNAftYw1mcDVS7AAQytSafcMsj3j3Bgt+xqRHPyj8mG+NhijCs/IvbQzvuLF/e2pS5 xjVuDw5p98igZpvnkzIjIgi//70Z3UVyd4pL0QAhZrPkh7W4KkORTUJC/yOPCruu35Bg nA/Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <7348933114842460053@unknownmsgid> <4F56859E.80804@googlemail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 01:00:18 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: IO6ll6gJisKku6y6Xx6yc5Oc4zs Message-ID: Subject: Re: 16 bit 48 all we need? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec554d5887b8f1f04ba9bd955 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 00:00:39 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec554d5887b8f1f04ba9bd955 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Im going to amaze you all by saying.. I dont know what I record at!! never bothered checking! Im just happy to save disk space, knowing Im not missing much... Oh and Charles.. Ive been recording, mixing and releasing albums for 31 years (First album came out in 1981) And 99.9999% of the albums I have released... were on cassette !! ha ha! Off to find another geeky hole to lure you techno-pedants down.. Muuuhah ha ha ha!! M On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 12:37 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 11:51 PM, Charles Zwicky > wrote: > > Actually, summing is a process by which individual (analog) outputs are > > taken from the DAW and combined externally using a fixed gain combiner > > (mixer) known as a "summing box". > > > Please let me note that I did not mention such analog summing in my > answer to Mark's question. I totally ment digital summing when > mentioning summing as one example of digital signal processing that > may give a better sonic result when running the software at a higher > resolution. Not meaning to be picky here, just want to keep the > discussion easy to follow ;-) > > I'm all for 24/44.1 although I deliver 24/48 for film/video as > requested. I don't think the slightly better sounding DSP at 96 k (for > a few processes in Logic) weighs up for the extra work that comes with > 96k. > > Per > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --bcaec554d5887b8f1f04ba9bd955 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Im going to amaze you all by saying.. I dont know what I record at!! never = bothered checking! Im just happy to save disk space, knowing Im not missing= much...

Oh and Charles.. Ive been recording, mixing and releasing a= lbums for 31 years (First album came out in 1981) And 99.9999% of the album= s I have released... were on cassette !! ha ha!

Off to find another geeky hole to lure you techno-pedants down.. Muuuha= h ha ha ha!!=A0

M

On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 12:37 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 11:= 51 PM, Charles Zwicky <cazwick= y@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Actually, summing is a process by which individual (analog) outputs ar= e
> taken from the DAW and combined externally using a fixed gain combiner=
> (mixer) known as a "summing box".

Please let me note that I did not mention such analog summing in my answer to Mark's question. I totally ment digital summing when
mentioning summing as one example of digital signal processing that
may give a better sonic result when running the software at a higher
resolution. Not meaning to be picky here, just want to keep the
discussion easy to follow ;-)

I'm all for 24/44.1 although I deliver 24/48 for film/video as
requested. I don't think the slightly better sounding DSP at 96 k (for<= br> a few processes in Logic) weighs up for the extra work that comes with
96k.

Per

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= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
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http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--bcaec554d5887b8f1f04ba9bd955-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 00:02:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 049C018345C; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 00:02:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F56A597.1080100@pacifier.com> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 16:02:31 -0800 From: David Messenger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: mark francombe Subject: Re: 16 bit 48 all we need? References: <7348933114842460053@unknownmsgid> In-Reply-To: <7348933114842460053@unknownmsgid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 00:02:39 +0000 (UTC) I use Adobe Audition as my Wave editor, and have used it for recording up to now, when hence forth I will record in Live 8. I always record in 48 kHZ / 32 bit for the same reason mentioned earlier. I always do a lot of track processing and find in more comforting to have the extra bit headroom. Uses a little more drive space, but better safe than sorry. I prefer to listen to music at 48 kHZ, and record all my LP transfers in the same resolution. Often I'm listening to 32 bit audio LP transfers on the HD. Whether I "prefer" the distortion of the higher res or not, 48kHZ files always sound better to me than 44.1, just as I always preferred the DAT to listen to for LP Transfers over the CD back when DAT's first came out. D. On 3/6/2012 10:21 AM, mark francombe wrote: > I snagged this URL from Geir Jennsens (biosphere) Fb page... if its > true its pretty interesting, any audiophiles wanna confirm or deny? > Maybe it's common knowledge? > > http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html > > I'm pretty lo fi, have bad equipment. and never really been able to > hear "good quality" I have always put high fidelity down to " good > mixing" rather than high specs... so I enjoyed what I read here... > > mark > > Sent from my (advertisement removed) > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 7 08:23:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3F84183460; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 08:23:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=2I0UnPZxug4nmSCTMet+GFXkiZZsOu+NFpSsTpsbXxc=; b=JQHUuEyiVgfNJyuJJBfJE0+aPZ3xRH2U/KZs8GCzV0xW/On+DGI+JuQYyohOwqbM78 XQq0BhvUsNUTWWMBNdPZ1BNwnPfJZgz74io+7RGqs8P6AgnSCZfXZvN6B0u9DwtkLuDY PHaJeFA+cQXlxu3KISirKxhpBVHI9XApxQ8EvVMyNzptS3sHqgsuleC4s6+28GdV34q+ wJcVB5EzkssGtO00Jv3tGj6u7CefMiRDMz8dWb6uADfV9Kq4Mk8wo79WmOh3xup5mqtW fiyZCY+rkfqHOs9iKbW893mc6V59OJRIpbF1EC26O/IKxDmZFAmo/W5nKS2RvcBkvG6A RQvg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <7348933114842460053@unknownmsgid> <4F56859E.80804@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 09:23:51 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 16 bit 48 all we need? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <44d-t.A.1MF.YsxVPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 08:23:52 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 1:00 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Oh and Charles.. Ive been recording, mixing and releasing albums for 31 > years (First album came out in 1981) And 99.9999% of the albums I have > released... were on cassette !! ha ha! Got to pick up that ball... released my first in 1975. A vinyl album. And we didn't care about bit depth or sampling rate ;-)) However, most of the time I've been active on the artist side which means a lot less records making than if being on the engineering side. 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--f46d0444ee2d091d0d04bb246f64-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 13 19:50:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CC4818345D; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 19:50:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 773890.96018.bm@omp1046.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1331668199; bh=Pbs8DivZEyvtK76uIRk2IU3/bL0d3hvkXJKND+R/PYA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=no65yv4cMcsLho0lF5lgtqsiE3JsfRj5fSwWAjnBJpk2EEiNKBChoyKsIrH/NYalpE8wHMB+bjrqBEf76tJJMuy+UCd/aBWg5MtKRLMpB+bgd8Br4Kx2DMrijoMNCl3cw1/dQqLqePdRKrZCSrut4w9+my10Rogxpv/gDrA1ob8= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=6RoCt8qtdpjhLsrMN6FEqoH7zwDXGbQbZuCspgcZwrywUASLeioGptkWMesAnCmcTTxTyzfm5X6CJqruACoEHW1rRRzMWy8iV/rVRUu0FFED7M/G1a8ymN7m+dEIZDH4VrGDLdXDirU1h652G8Jb7QltVojjW8RMFIx1eLYT6Vw=; X-YMail-OSG: LhxpghUVM1lYPvKKPcyalLI_YiJk.QnYe4lYMLJgXWJoX6b j3JWOmSUMDUK5bJQjRAq.NQCs4JrJc1ixRAeeLgTcKBUNuG42CDDZ7nz0zV9 ZxXCme4NlM5jYBy0377qDXu5eXa.ayc.jZsr3MQfMeELsVKivJtZkBmNrFt6 n2E35uSBgK.n45tPgnMMZzyGjTjsBj_d7AyKM.XPeenpkjMlm42rDWJOZZ9b kBbgwncYQN6N5jVpw7JHka23rSn9CHdyHtcvd0o.WpB0W57iLx17vuVsiCk8 .79dfCErp3XJ6eAvy7rvp4sZDSkpT2gHpMzrV71MnOcW7AXzCjXEfcSvrkhx DXVRiMho5Js8ctToTZ4bY1OmE4H8.gPtxLcJJZ30l.OTKg59RiAC6UIWiuvi Nw5u9vk72bbLs8byun1iszRLI0TeDfzeeVA.G9BXXbGMDqgb_rRvlEfNDjbz uExyj9Z.UfaFTcBbz7KxbRQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.338427 References: Message-ID: <1331668198.69206.YahooMailNeo@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 12:49:58 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: OT: How to mix guitar/synth/drum machines? Guitar DI vs Amp? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-3126525-255752980-1331668198=:69206" Resent-Message-ID: <5qFxpB.A.IHD.oT6XPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 19:50:00 +0000 (UTC) ---3126525-255752980-1331668198=:69206 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This may be inane, but I love my Paia "Stack-in-a-box". Tube overdrive, cab= sim, etc. They also offer a "Quadrafuzz". I'm still building it so can't v= ouch for it yet. In front of the "SITB" it might add even more sound. You h= ave to build them though. If you can solder, you're set. Rig =0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Marcus Kirby =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Thursday, Ma= rch 1, 2012 8:15 PM=0ASubject: OT: How to mix guitar/synth/drum machines? G= uitar DI vs Amp?=0A=0A=0AI'm using a mono synth, guitar with a bunch of ped= als, and some drum samples in ableton. =0A=0AI have a bit to haul around, s= o I'm trying to minimize the amount of equipment that I have. Which leads m= e to....=0A=0AIssue One: Guitar DI vs Amp=0AI have a fender bandmaster reve= rb that sounds amazing. It isn't feasible to carry around the amp+cab, peda= ls, keyboards, etc. This has led me to going DI, but alas, it sounds bad. I= 've considered a small 1x12 mic'ed, but then the fullness of the guitar sta= rts to take everything over. Is there any way to get a decent sound running= DI? Can I somehow run a dummy load from my amp head, then send the line ou= t signal to my interface? What about running the output of ableton to my tu= be amp?=0A=0AIssue Two: Analog Synth and Guitars=0AI use my mono synth main= ly for bass sounds. I would like to get a juno at some point, but for now, = I'm sampling the synth and doing poly that way. I have a hard time figuring= out how extreme the eq'ing should be though. Does anyone have suggested re= ading material for mixing guitar and analog synths?=A0=0A=0AIssue Three: Mi= xing electronic sounds and acoustic sounds=0AIs anyone else mixing acoustic= sounds and electronic sounds? I'm having issues with the electronics sound= ing a bit sterile. I've even tried synthesizing my own sounds to match the = guitar, but it seems to be a constant problem. ---3126525-255752980-1331668198=:69206 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This may be inane, but I love my Paia "Stack-in-a-box". Tube over= drive, cab sim, etc. They also offer a "Quadrafuzz". I'm stil= l building it so can't vouch for it yet. In front of the "SITB&quo= t; it might add even more sound. You have to build them though. If you can = solder, you're set.=0D
Rig=0D

<= div dir=3D"ltr" >
From: Marcus Kirby <marcusloop= s@gmail.com>
To: Lo= opers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: OT: How to mix guitar/synth/drum mach= ines? Guitar DI vs Amp?

=0A
I'm using a = mono synth, guitar with a bunch of pedals, and some drum samples in ableton= .

I have a bit to haul around, so I'm trying to mini= mize the amount of equipment that I have. Which leads me to....
=0A
Issue One: Guitar DI vs Amp
I have a fender band= master reverb that sounds amazing. It isn't feasible to carry around th= e amp+cab, pedals, keyboards, etc. This has led me to going DI, but alas, i= t sounds bad. I've considered a small 1x12 mic'ed, but then the ful= lness of the guitar starts to take everything over. Is there any way to get= a decent sound running DI? Can I somehow run a dummy load from my amp head= , then send the line out signal to my interface? What about running the out= put of ableton to my tube amp?
=0A

Issue Two: Analo= g Synth and Guitars
I use my mono synth mainly for bass sounds. I= would like to get a juno at some point, but for now, I'm sampling the = synth and doing poly that way. I have a hard time figuring out how extreme = the eq'ing should be though. Does anyone have suggested reading materia= l for mixing guitar and analog synths?=A0
=0A

Issue= Three: Mixing electronic sounds and acoustic sounds
Is anyone el= se mixing acoustic sounds and electronic sounds? I'm having issues with= the electronics sounding a bit sterile. I've even tried synthesizing m= y own sounds to match the guitar, but it seems to be a constant problem.=0A

---3126525-255752980-1331668198=:69206-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 13 19:55:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FD97183460; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 19:55:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 810139.80342.bm@omp1020.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1331668530; bh=BcFPFQxGS5Rh6wpNX7QQ++3F2ji95ZPjkFSGN9f5McI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kARSIYwJN7qMJVZzkmM0VEiUoMvqCbyca5MJFNIf6HJVGmGqhSlfmkEnSeCd6fEM4nSXBrRAP7hlxrm0sGFN7WPbjyOWYtSCYpsZRFOMeRDTgyt478mkBcDImpax3fNz/CkbFsjyBAIylpM4fUGIewAU7OD74scqkNXDdlPVnUE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OTfY2bFHTMhWYt525hi+Zzukr3/x4dZVp5Qq1xmcR7iUeKKIr1ZlU4EM2cR4toA/bHVzJ5V6ybRZFgF+39cCmyLvXDCTlAdQSnOKOe5sbxdoAiG/agyB935YtSTXR91/Ql8aOuOSVUPuFMUfLnPmld/KvtaGrczX0+cCOCBSGec=; X-YMail-OSG: ALZzwQsVM1m5YVqXiPUw1cTyff35Vabd22V09dV9Sg9bU9u dgZvyZmjoulhrxYmRTogafCp8BnHIsaOpkRqXjVNaJxdUq3YCR9l5O3yVpvg BOYOxPbSq7A.vwDxwrO9f_kCXvC617xOMYsBo1G4i1afJxlxmi6mIrqQwEk5 7l0cFIq80gcTv1QWCpPZiPzfVjnA_1DztyqBHonHpQANvDXt1VGh47nA.6_. 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To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1118611504-1184648500-1331668530=:17735" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 19:55:32 +0000 (UTC) ---1118611504-1184648500-1331668530=:17735 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I mix synths and guitars for 28 years now. They usually sit real well toget= her unless one of them has an extremely non-typical sound. Reverb helps by = putting them in the same "space". A tube pre-amp for the synth sometimes he= lps also. Even trickier is getting the old 70s synths to sit in a mix with = the newer synths. A Crumar Orchestrator string machine sticks out way far, = as does a Moog Sattelite. Once again, reverb, plus a little high end EQ sha= ve on the old ones as they seem to have way more treble, from the discreet = construction.=0ARig=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Marcus= Kirby =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com = =0ASent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 8:15 PM=0ASubject: OT: How to mix guitar/s= ynth/drum machines? Guitar DI vs Amp?=0A=0A=0AI'm using a mono synth, guita= r with a bunch of pedals, and some drum samples in ableton. =0A=0AI have a = bit to haul around, so I'm trying to minimize the amount of equipment that = I have. Which leads me to....=0A=0AIssue One: Guitar DI vs Amp=0AI have a f= ender bandmaster reverb that sounds amazing. It isn't feasible to carry aro= und the amp+cab, pedals, keyboards, etc. This has led me to going DI, but a= las, it sounds bad. I've considered a small 1x12 mic'ed, but then the fulln= ess of the guitar starts to take everything over. Is there any way to get a= decent sound running DI? Can I somehow run a dummy load from my amp head, = then send the line out signal to my interface? What about running the outpu= t of ableton to my tube amp?=0A=0AIssue Two: Analog Synth and Guitars=0AI u= se my mono synth mainly for bass sounds. I would like to get a juno at some= point, but for now, I'm sampling the synth and doing poly that way. I have= a hard time figuring out how extreme the eq'ing should be though. Does any= one have suggested reading material for mixing guitar and analog synths?=A0= =0A=0AIssue Three: Mixing electronic sounds and acoustic sounds=0AIs anyone= else mixing acoustic sounds and electronic sounds? I'm having issues with = the electronics sounding a bit sterile. I've even tried synthesizing my own= sounds to match the guitar, but it seems to be a constant problem. ---1118611504-1184648500-1331668530=:17735 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I mix synths and guitars for 28 years now= . They usually sit real well together unless one of them has an extremely n= on-typical sound. Reverb helps by putting them in the same "space". A tube = pre-amp for the synth sometimes helps also. Even trickier is getting the ol= d 70s synths to sit in a mix with the newer synths. A Crumar Orchestrator s= tring machine sticks out way far, as does a Moog Sattelite. Once again, rev= erb, plus a little high end EQ shave on the old ones as they seem to have w= ay more treble, from the discreet construction.

Rig

From:= Marcus Kirby <marcusloops@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
= Sent: Thursday, March 1, 20= 12 8:15 PM
Subject: OT: = How to mix guitar/synth/drum machines? Guitar DI vs Amp?

I'm using a mono synth, guitar with a bunch of peda= ls, and some drum samples in ableton.

I have a bit to haul around, so I'm trying to minimize the amount of e= quipment that I have. Which leads me to....

Issue One: Guitar DI vs Amp

I have a fender bandmaster reverb that sounds amazing. It isn't feasib= le to carry around the amp+cab, pedals, keyboards, etc. This has led me to = going DI, but alas, it sounds bad. I've considered a small 1x12 mic'ed, but= then the fullness of the guitar starts to take everything over. Is there a= ny way to get a decent sound running DI? Can I somehow run a dummy load fro= m my amp head, then send the line out signal to my interface? What about ru= nning the output of ableton to my tube amp?

Issue Two: Analog Synth and Guitars

I use my mono synth mainly for bass sounds. I would like to get a juno= at some point, but for now, I'm sampling the synth and doing poly that way= . I have a hard time figuring out how extreme the eq'ing should be though. = Does anyone have suggested reading material for mixing guitar and analog sy= nths?

Issue Three: Mixing electronic sounds and acoustic sounds

Is anyone else mixing acoustic sounds and electronic sounds? I'm havin= g issues with the electronics sounding a bit sterile. I've even tried synth= esizing my own sounds to match the guitar, but it seems to be a constant pr= oblem.

---1118611504-1184648500-1331668530=:17735-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 13 20:00:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E70AF183462; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:00:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=RAXibrb6xGMyI2tJJKH31PttC2BF1gaRZDqkiQjCIH0=; b=ZYu9Dh+afIFfy6khXjBe3lMAkj9E4wAS0ISw0wXYt/mFds4poUsFXOTs2KRqJ0aGTE 3ZLM0f4W6PvlBRH3nHQAvicMj8PHhKk8V+B6qB0ruCwoWFEEG+H7c4t23J0dshMRMEx/ 18j8vNAxvoRrtNTkW9yronQEiYQNYmnZirZta9sn50f2S2Le7ehPHaQ8Sis5ohCUTvIe Cfbj3w0NmTDpUXxsRxQuZMymAoYF/eOI9Olv8TDQO8FCPz0obTAyA+1mcH9HctL3mFk6 kbVQoT10X3I4Wq6tb8/5e55ZEHVk1cmcbDHw/8ms7g4B8bwxN4w8e9hZ5vScuk0Pxzqy 2JbA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <084BA187-A6C2-4FFF-92D0-372BDA7F0E98@gmail.com> References: <2C58ABCB-2361-4FDC-A1FC-0D8A6158A37D@sea.plala.or.jp> <084BA187-A6C2-4FFF-92D0-372BDA7F0E98@gmail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:59:49 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: W2eIP5EtJ19LdjGoEVSlkbekmzU Message-ID: Subject: Re: Gigs/jams in the northern US? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4efe2d7655f34e04bb254e01 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:00:11 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4efe2d7655f34e04bb254e01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey Everyone! Once a year I post this, hoping to get a few more on the list.. I cant say how many are still working, but I hope this list might help you Risto http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/about/looping-venues/ Anyone else who has or knows of good venues (anywhere in the world) please add to this... Im still planning on a whole year world tour when Im 50.. have to start planning soon...!! he he!! Regards Mark On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Risto Paalanen wrote: > Hey folks! > > I realize this is all delightfully last minute, but let's see what can > still be done... > > Turns out I'm coming over to NYC on the 17th, and I'll be staying there > for at least two weeks. After that my plan is to start heading west and > playing wherever I can along the way. At the moment my main problem is an > utter lack of contacts in cities along the way (NYC, Boston, Montreal, > Toronto, Detroit, Chicago, Minneapolis ... and finally Vancouver, Seattle, > Bay Area?) and so I'd be immensely grateful for any help or contacts. > > As far as venues are concerned, I'm really very flexible. I can play > pretty much anywhere with even a half-decent soundsystem, so anything from > living rooms on up will do, as long as the audience has the right mindset. > Jams and collaborations would be wonderful, too, obvs. > > I've been called ambient on occasion, but the output kinda varies with the > audience and venue. Improv is pretty much the only constant factor, I > guess. And looping, obviously. > > > Yours, > R. / Taphead > http://taphead.bandcamp.com/ > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --e0cb4efe2d7655f34e04bb254e01 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Everyone!

Once a year I post this, hoping to get a few more on t= he list.. I cant say how many are still working, but I hope this list might= help you Risto

http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/about/looping-v= enues/

Anyone else who has or knows of good venues (anywhere in the world) ple= ase add to this... Im still planning on a whole year world tour when Im 50.= . have to start planning soon...!! he he!!

Regards

Mark

On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Ris= to Paalanen <risto.paalanen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey folks!

I realize this is all delightfully last minute, but let's see what can = still be done...

Turns out I'm coming over to NYC on the 17th, and I'll be staying t= here for at least two weeks. After that my plan is to start heading west an= d playing wherever I can along the way. At the moment my main problem is an= utter lack of contacts in cities along the way (NYC, Boston, Montreal, Tor= onto, Detroit, Chicago, Minneapolis ... and finally Vancouver, Seattle, Bay= Area?) and so I'd be immensely grateful for any help or contacts.

As far as venues are concerned, I'm really very flexible. I can play pr= etty much anywhere with even a half-decent soundsystem, so anything from li= ving rooms on up will do, as long as the audience has the right mindset. Ja= ms and collaborations would be wonderful, too, obvs.

I've been called ambient on occasion, but the output kinda varies with = the audience and venue. Improv is pretty much the only constant factor, I g= uess. And looping, obviously.

Yours,
R. / Taphead
http://taphead.b= andcamp.com/

--
Mark Francom= be
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--e0cb4efe2d7655f34e04bb254e01-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 13 20:15:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D561A18345E; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:15:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=AqmhMWiKlR2N+oLyIMuJ/N4TEpu9ztHp02Fdj0HVGTU=; b=Pma8N5UQsLCZR70XTaN0pVTRORE7IgaKNGjCmc8EzQ+4WUxoAabCWESp+VN1G8KXiJ fl0ahoWpfkr20rDgBk4yumeJdvDic6ytqEzi3YWh6v8ySd5mmSpynTltoLRJRYoXtbti WjzJLMxS9NES0VllV+THJ6v2pWvMNsDarrH7WqnsPbq2K4j8gFWo/xjcfbHqkqd2/HtJ q1Z4N8pHbWrKjHhrCMxJ+6rf8fSVFPdoJ29uBGele+gauqIQxlm2mnZcil58xdYSQtVK ZK2TrGRLcaapt4y+TytX79Ygiv1QrRiOKEUCXojyOoMKjXysIHiTtl/zk2rEwkmD6jyK mA4Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1331668198.69206.YahooMailNeo@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1331668198.69206.YahooMailNeo@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 21:15:39 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: How to mix guitar/synth/drum machines? Guitar DI vs Amp? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:15:40 +0000 (UTC) The hardest challenge is in the mid range frequency band. When blending guitar and fat synths you usually get a better result if cutting away then if adding EQ. The "awesome guitar sound" that you create when being on your own and plugging into an amp rarely works in an ensemble situation since it tends to be too fat (just doesn't leave enough space for the other stuff and doesn't cut through well either). Finally, playing ridiculously tight and articulated can be good; it might sound stiff if listening only to the guitar (or synth) but in the mix it usually works better also "sound-wise". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:49 PM, bill bigrig wrote: > This may be inane, but I love my Paia "Stack-in-a-box". Tube overdrive, cab > sim, etc. They also offer a "Quadrafuzz". I'm still building it so can't > vouch for it yet. In front of the "SITB" it might add even more sound. You > have to build them though. If you can solder, you're set. > Rig > > ________________________________ > From: Marcus Kirby > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 8:15 PM > Subject: OT: How to mix guitar/synth/drum machines? Guitar DI vs Amp? > > I'm using a mono synth, guitar with a bunch of pedals, and some drum samples > in ableton. > > I have a bit to haul around, so I'm trying to minimize the amount of > equipment that I have. Which leads me to.... > > Issue One: Guitar DI vs Amp > I have a fender bandmaster reverb that sounds amazing. It isn't feasible to > carry around the amp+cab, pedals, keyboards, etc. This has led me to going > DI, but alas, it sounds bad. I've considered a small 1x12 mic'ed, but then > the fullness of the guitar starts to take everything over. Is there any way > to get a decent sound running DI? Can I somehow run a dummy load from my amp > head, then send the line out signal to my interface? What about running the > output of ableton to my tube amp? > > Issue Two: Analog Synth and Guitars > I use my mono synth mainly for bass sounds. I would like to get a juno at > some point, but for now, I'm sampling the synth and doing poly that way. I > have a hard time figuring out how extreme the eq'ing should be though. Does > anyone have suggested reading material for mixing guitar and analog synths? > > Issue Three: Mixing electronic sounds and acoustic sounds > Is anyone else mixing acoustic sounds and electronic sounds? I'm having > issues with the electronics sounding a bit sterile. I've even tried > synthesizing my own sounds to match the guitar, but it seems to be a > constant problem. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 13 20:36:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37A1318345C; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:36:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 799877.25930.bm@omp1043.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1331670959; bh=oJZ8u9d06vPP8T10YrvpFX/6ZVtsWH+RW+OhdxU5OZA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NF8HQZWzIeCg7S8MtpnLXboT16KP+96cBB1yAu3omKKVpoeWrg1UxrPt9Lctk/elUKXOkoeG5fUAFTgLtsArLQ8YXRyjADpiSHVI41T2kEqD6GuIyrEv0fMtcTVJBh7joJdxwsv6wTC2d7UYmbK0eDW739hxW9wVHqbEMyRf3sk= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Qgx8nmKP9oHhWpA6D+U42UgC1NcKHdtwAEXX8lnDf46kt4tZ51Wyq0duOqMuJhhxjoUaOwlv8u1LbWDh7pX4OICq0q7nwby3QBrKq1aPaMV6obOAbQYH3hzdzdzOluj0PetTAjuHpn2CRs2/78WOovJIAB40uBu7IZ5n7zbQKlY=; X-YMail-OSG: .eviyoIVM1kddSQ_iIoOoLdIJe4_EbuRTRwmejdhoqjK3ZH LEml32ydeNo._HUNucL2bNFQEFd2aSa.8cbyicblRUb_l2avM4e9tJGSjB30 XNB0KbDCerZYXaDxs2.uRhue2FD7KqJtpSvjfwXEk9WieZ8AlkSRXrxgVjsS kBGuR85El6eKjEvxGDj_LDHciPSr6qWufsy2m69FdaNazfWnOVza24XQy1jA zd7tvl0CO5z_Z.7DUVnd6S0TFxOP5cOUl_d6BmZovpbwBkhFgToiwbX9_XED NWXqe5DVzkU4djw70aac5_c0g_BK4d8uk6agvBwUXTY4MPIDlI4Wshlb7gcs P64T3EAbPn6_Ka63nnHh5QwwjMONhEgR4WhkTyth3y.6T7QwJHJBOtuBkft8 t9Nkjq8NMIPVmuFFw_kkidUzkPRMAOj1AIB_yYtjd1MIxL2HmndYpTAYhGQc ln.gXOWeXQLUU3zSU9gmWTMsjJhAFqxadz0obO64e7JZm7Q69sOgztyqfPFC XA7NNOX73qs2luwtFR50XVXTc3WBeoH5vdr_qDJHyRjFo4CogKM9phEKZ_Nq bbVigISqfuhy14UCJaG8ewzznJ7YE8RpE4mJDUWHzPO9g X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.338427 References: <1331668198.69206.YahooMailNeo@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1331670959.95081.YahooMailNeo@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 13:35:59 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: OT: How to mix guitar/synth/drum machines? Guitar DI vs Amp? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-3126525-47202752-1331670959=:95081" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:36:01 +0000 (UTC) ---3126525-47202752-1331670959=:95081 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Per is right on there. give a listen to "Todd Rundgren's Utopia. Guitar and 3 keyboard players. All very busy. Yet somehow it all meshes together very nicely. Pretty heavy stuff for the mid 70s. It's always better to start with EQ "cuts" rather than boosts. Atta boy Per! Rig ________________________________ From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:15 PM Subject: Re: OT: How to mix guitar/synth/drum machines? Guitar DI vs Amp? The hardest challenge is in the mid range frequency band. When blending guitar and fat synths you usually get a better result if cutting away then if adding EQ. The "awesome guitar sound" that you create when being on your own and plugging into an amp rarely works in an ensemble situation since it tends to be too fat (just doesn't leave enough space for the other stuff and doesn't cut through well either). Finally, playing ridiculously tight and articulated can be good; it might sound stiff if listening only to the guitar (or synth) but in the mix it usually works better also "sound-wise". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:49 PM, bill bigrig wrote: > This may be inane, but I love my Paia "Stack-in-a-box". Tube overdrive, cab > sim, etc. They also offer a "Quadrafuzz". I'm still building it so can't > vouch for it yet. In front of the "SITB" it might add even more sound. You > have to build them though. If you can solder, you're set. > Rig > > ________________________________ > From: Marcus Kirby > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 8:15 PM > Subject: OT: How to mix guitar/synth/drum machines? Guitar DI vs Amp? > > I'm using a mono synth, guitar with a bunch of pedals, and some drum samples > in ableton. > > I have a bit to haul around, so I'm trying to minimize the amount of > equipment that I have. Which leads me to.... > > Issue One: Guitar DI vs Amp > I have a fender bandmaster reverb that sounds amazing. It isn't feasible to > carry around the amp+cab, pedals, keyboards, etc. This has led me to going > DI, but alas, it sounds bad. I've considered a small 1x12 mic'ed, but then > the fullness of the guitar starts to take everything over. Is there any way > to get a decent sound running DI? Can I somehow run a dummy load from my amp > head, then send the line out signal to my interface? What about running the > output of ableton to my tube amp? > > Issue Two: Analog Synth and Guitars > I use my mono synth mainly for bass sounds. I would like to get a juno at > some point, but for now, I'm sampling the synth and doing poly that way. I > have a hard time figuring out how extreme the eq'ing should be though. Does > anyone have suggested reading material for mixing guitar and analog synths? > > Issue Three: Mixing electronic sounds and acoustic sounds > Is anyone else mixing acoustic sounds and electronic sounds? I'm having > issues with the electronics sounding a bit sterile. I've even tried > synthesizing my own sounds to match the guitar, but it seems to be a > constant problem. > > ---3126525-47202752-1331670959=:95081 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Per is right on there.  give a listen to "Todd Rundgren's Utopia. Guitar and 3 keyboard players. All very busy. Yet somehow it all meshes together very nicely. Pretty heavy stuff for the mid 70s. It's always better to start with EQ "cuts" rather than boosts. Atta boy Per!
Rig

From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: OT: How to mix guitar/synth/drum machines? Guitar DI vs Amp?

The hardest challenge is in the mid range frequency band. When
blending guitar and fat synths you usually get a better result if
cutting away then if adding EQ. The "awesome guitar sound" that you
create when being on your own and plugging into an amp rarely works in
an ensemble situation since it tends to be too fat (just doesn't leave
enough space for the other stuff and doesn't cut through well either).
Finally, playing ridiculously tight and articulated can be good; it
might sound stiff if listening only to the guitar (or synth) but in
the mix it usually works better also "sound-wise".

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen

On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:49 PM, bill bigrig <billbigrig@yahoo.com> wrote:
> This may be inane, but I love my Paia "Stack-in-a-box". Tube overdrive, cab
> sim, etc. They also offer a "Quadrafuzz". I'm still building it so can't
> vouch for it yet. In front of the "SITB" it might add even more sound. You
> have to build them though. If you can solder, you're set.
> Rig
>
> ________________________________
> From: Marcus Kirby <marcusloops@gmail.com>
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 8:15 PM
> Subject: OT: How to mix guitar/synth/drum machines? Guitar DI vs Amp?
>
> I'm using a mono synth, guitar with a bunch of pedals, and some drum samples
> in ableton.
>
> I have a bit to haul around, so I'm trying to minimize the amount of
> equipment that I have. Which leads me to....
>
> Issue One: Guitar DI vs Amp
> I have a fender bandmaster reverb that sounds amazing. It isn't feasible to
> carry around the amp+cab, pedals, keyboards, etc. This has led me to going
> DI, but alas, it sounds bad. I've considered a small 1x12 mic'ed, but then
> the fullness of the guitar starts to take everything over. Is there any way
> to get a decent sound running DI? Can I somehow run a dummy load from my amp
> head, then send the line out signal to my interface? What about running the
> output of ableton to my tube amp?
>
> Issue Two: Analog Synth and Guitars
> I use my mono synth mainly for bass sounds. I would like to get a juno at
> some point, but for now, I'm sampling the synth and doing poly that way. I
> have a hard time figuring out how extreme the eq'ing should be though. Does
> anyone have suggested reading material for mixing guitar and analog synths?
>
> Issue Three: Mixing electronic sounds and acoustic sounds
> Is anyone else mixing acoustic sounds and electronic sounds? I'm having
> issues with the electronics sounding a bit sterile. I've even tried
> synthesizing my own sounds to match the guitar, but it seems to be a
> constant problem.
>
>

---3126525-47202752-1331670959=:95081-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 13 21:11:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80BDE18345D; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 21:11:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_IVnmre3wrlaDENPjI5nlNw)" X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7498,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-03-13_08:2012-03-13,2012-03-13,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1203130231 Subject: Re: OT: How to mix guitar/synth/drum machines? Guitar DI vs Amp? From: Daniel Thomas In-reply-to: <1331668198.69206.YahooMailNeo@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 14:11:38 -0700 Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <7B45F71F-9B53-4611-A2EF-6F2446110D28@mac.com> References: <1331668198.69206.YahooMailNeo@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: bill bigrig X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <6bZHQD.A.UaE.Ng7XPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 21:11:41 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_IVnmre3wrlaDENPjI5nlNw) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I like to consider the harmonic content of the music when trying to blend sources via EQ, PAN and DYNAMICs processing. Reduce voice masking before boosting an EQ and chances are good you won't need to boost at all. And you won't need much compression to make the mix pop either. To this end--Cutting freqs that cloud the fundamental and its fifth can really help to reveal all parts of the mix while retaining the essential punchiness in the low end. Further, this approach puts you in the mindset of "what can I cut out, so that I can hear such and such voice more clearly" rather than the circular and self defeating "turn me up and then turn up all the stuff that I just covered up" approach. You know u have been there. Here is a useful link (for western music anyway): http://peabody.sapp.org/class/st2/lab/notehz/ daniel On Mar 13, 2012, at 12:49 PM, bill bigrig wrote: > This may be inane, but I love my Paia "Stack-in-a-box". Tube overdrive, cab sim, etc. They also offer a "Quadrafuzz". I'm still building it so can't vouch for it yet. In front of the "SITB" it might add even more sound. You have to build them though. If you can solder, you're set. > Rig > > From: Marcus Kirby > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 8:15 PM > Subject: OT: How to mix guitar/synth/drum machines? Guitar DI vs Amp? > > I'm using a mono synth, guitar with a bunch of pedals, and some drum samples in ableton. > > I have a bit to haul around, so I'm trying to minimize the amount of equipment that I have. Which leads me to.... > > Issue One: Guitar DI vs Amp > I have a fender bandmaster reverb that sounds amazing. It isn't feasible to carry around the amp+cab, pedals, keyboards, etc. This has led me to going DI, but alas, it sounds bad. I've considered a small 1x12 mic'ed, but then the fullness of the guitar starts to take everything over. Is there any way to get a decent sound running DI? Can I somehow run a dummy load from my amp head, then send the line out signal to my interface? What about running the output of ableton to my tube amp? > > Issue Two: Analog Synth and Guitars > I use my mono synth mainly for bass sounds. I would like to get a juno at some point, but for now, I'm sampling the synth and doing poly that way. I have a hard time figuring out how extreme the eq'ing should be though. Does anyone have suggested reading material for mixing guitar and analog synths? > > Issue Three: Mixing electronic sounds and acoustic sounds > Is anyone else mixing acoustic sounds and electronic sounds? I'm having issues with the electronics sounding a bit sterile. I've even tried synthesizing my own sounds to match the guitar, but it seems to be a constant problem. > > --Boundary_(ID_IVnmre3wrlaDENPjI5nlNw) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I = like to consider the harmonic content of the music when trying to blend = sources via EQ, PAN and DYNAMICs processing. Reduce voice masking = before boosting an EQ and chances are good you won't need to boost at = all. And you won't need much compression to make the mix pop = either.

To this end--Cutting freqs that = cloud the fundamental and its fifth can really help to reveal all = parts of the mix while retaining the essential punchiness in the low = end. Further, this approach puts you in the mindset of "what can I = cut out, so that I can hear such and such voice more clearly" rather = than the circular and self defeating "turn me up and then turn up all = the stuff that I just covered up" approach. You know u have been = there.

Here is a useful link (for western = music anyway):
http://peabody.sapp= .org/class/st2/lab/notehz/

daniel
<= div>

On Mar 13, 2012, at 12:49 PM, bill = bigrig wrote:

This may be inane, but I love my Paia "Stack-in-a-box". = Tube overdrive, cab sim, etc. They also offer a "Quadrafuzz". I'm still = building it so can't vouch for it yet. In front of the "SITB" it might = add even more sound. You have to build them though. If you can solder, = you're set.
Rig

From: Marcus Kirby <marcusloops@gmail.com>
= To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 8:15 PM
Subject: OT: How to mix = guitar/synth/drum machines? Guitar DI vs Amp?

I'm using a mono synth, guitar with a bunch of = pedals, and some drum samples in ableton.

I have a = bit to haul around, so I'm trying to minimize the amount of equipment = that I have. Which leads me to....

Issue One: Guitar DI vs Amp
I have a = fender bandmaster reverb that sounds amazing. It isn't feasible to carry = around the amp+cab, pedals, keyboards, etc. This has led me to going DI, = but alas, it sounds bad. I've considered a small 1x12 mic'ed, but then = the fullness of the guitar starts to take everything over. Is there any = way to get a decent sound running DI? Can I somehow run a dummy load = from my amp head, then send the line out signal to my interface? What = about running the output of ableton to my tube amp?

Issue Two: Analog Synth and Guitars
I use = my mono synth mainly for bass sounds. I would like to get a juno at some = point, but for now, I'm sampling the synth and doing poly that way. I = have a hard time figuring out how extreme the eq'ing should be though. = Does anyone have suggested reading material for mixing guitar and analog = synths?

Issue Three: Mixing electronic sounds and acoustic = sounds
Is anyone else mixing acoustic sounds and electronic = sounds? I'm having issues with the electronics sounding a bit sterile. = I've even tried synthesizing my own sounds to match the guitar, but it = seems to be a constant problem.

=

= --Boundary_(ID_IVnmre3wrlaDENPjI5nlNw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 13 23:23:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EB8B183453; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 23:23:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:from:content-type:x-mailer:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=HZI2S03CWVK8Vw3eu832DDUuvetqlcE6l1eTrtSQtnU=; b=LPrT3mCxYs5AkVhVSMnyHrOvDBptQovO7cAlrMXObvksQJhxDcFbtdjO+NtpEh6ie4 uPfmAJzQIXQSSrRYwStrKK/2L4SsGFDzHyZphUMv56e8E0dCMFbMSlwakJhIP+9pqo4l PmwsirfyfaAIqxJZqMrz6/cMRgnFhY99lXFPTW07k65CV5BFPaQg5ptpIizs7RlwpyD8 D7WqhflscvOGXFzplUlZZCAivZAQ8tJBKFF5MBBZxQjo6WGsv1HGr3pJYnt3/OASfvOf 99kiW2oCw7rNfSX9k6yRwkBo5RSz1L9cCTpVkbWMUqjoDolegWQfKmhkOSLwU5/HhOU+ LPnQ== Subject: Unsubscribe From: Robyn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPad Mail (8C148) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 19:25:38 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPad Mail 8C148) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 23:23:39 +0000 (UTC) Sent from Robyn's ipad From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 13 23:34:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 300A3183462; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 23:34:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=DvD2aX+xNbufko8gl7Cq/EjEVoPLx8syz7IdjcxyV/E=; b=RQG0LWrO40ykFfpj7kgfeUEQE7HJhOZp6RaoBUrUO3M95cCAxsUBZ9hhiazk2jlCRR qH+ZQBxoJLV2ZOBu78RYWOHew3/BBdNiin2TWjse0ca/hBmV8XgDYGBNIPJI0/XQ4AW/ r63ljg1LNhZ4u+6GuCsOgLLUb7NnTbFT/TTYzDky3mXjlZIIbtxGBPO4kpi50R7Xpbgq 3b8OcEys8ZSZ4sZEJc+qCO+B2C5Sf2Q/3gCo7oKMi1iDFn7gWCisPA2kLhfyZobnA97d lbYZ7L4j9wwZGnWQz1rD+DytTAi0XA5sOGiJua1qDd6KBe0I3O75kZg663w7QYoQVwfT c+EQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 19:34:21 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Unsubscribe From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f642daa68369304bb284c5d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 23:34:22 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f642daa68369304bb284c5d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your unsubscribe request to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com Don't send your unsubscribe message to the list, or people will make fun of you and you will feel like a dork. peace out! On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Robyn wrote: > > > Sent from Robyn's ipad > > --e89a8f642daa68369304bb284c5d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--f46d044287a6512f6504bb28bd98-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 00:07:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0D5418345D; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 00:07:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:from:content-type:x-mailer:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=Tk+zX7ROF16Ly6sW0uoOTVYUog33B46+OB6GRCOcces=; b=KYF7eh6bFU9IITtbPe0rSrcUZvAjw9yvbEkYB82vTizIF6T3YIRNNMwd7cuBHrzvfi WZYrpCIp6Mr63aaeBSp9JrFTdhZjhxzqC9XPxpZ/dVfbLNhEOGCu16sUDQ1p0MT3JCMk u3m8Ds+n1PgdqCpvSmM+aP5QUocqAVQMMaAkvYBbPxGbMDwEDpYuQk0ZpNQdFx25LRCM 1tOHCEqa/9jHPBvdxDoB8VPr07osVRlgVRq/Pr3HjHDxDesM9UzElq3taYPcLwtODrma diZP3kHl+RPwZQiJNCcmgXa3ks6+yIkiRYatc9xLAt6Y0HY3cu5Ygf+NgfDxHxHCBW4K sHzw== Subject: Selling Orange Thunderverb 50 amp head From: Timothy Miller Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) Message-Id: <6E7B67A2-38C4-4D19-A8F0-04EEE6AA6072@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 19:07:44 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 00:07:50 +0000 (UTC) I'm selling my Orange Thunderverb 50 amp head. Times are tough and I am $500= overdraft in my account, so I need to let go of this. I really don't want t= o, but I also don't want to file for bankruptcy. I can get an Orange down th= e road. I can't get my life back after filing for bankruptcy. With the 2-channel Orange Thunderverb 50 Head, you get the boutique sound th= at has made the Thunderverb 200 a success, but with the performance of a sma= ller amp. The result is that you can push the Thunderverb 50 Head hard enoug= h to overdrive its power tubes without either dialing up the attenuator or t= raumatizing your house pets. The variable attenuator allows you to record wi= th the same tone that you play with live, without running the risk of blowin= g out your mics. That makes the Thunderverb 50 Head an invaluable tool both o= n stage and in the studio. When you play live with the Thunderverb 50 Head, you have several great tone= -shaping options. Three footswitch inputs make it easy to instantly switch b= etween playing styles. One footswitch lets you jump between attenuated and t= he full sound of the Thunderverb 50 Head's output. If you're familiar with u= sing the gain knob on your guitar to hit your tubes with varying intensity, t= his is a great way to make sure you get the right amount of breakup at the o= utput volume you want.=20 Another footswitch lets you kick in or out the spring style reverb that puts= the "verb" in the Thunderverb 50 Head's name. And what would a 2-channel am= p be without an instant way to jump between the clean A channel and the dirt= y B channel? The A channel gives you a wide tonal range that revives some of= the qualities of the earliest clean-style Orange amps. The B channel delive= rs bone-crushing punch and screaming drive! By using the Thunderverb 50 Head= 's new shape control, you can scoop some of the mids and pile up the bass an= d treble, or you can tap into the 3-band EQ (the same on the Rockerverb seri= es) and dial in your signature tone. Orange Thunderverb 50 Head 2-channel All-tube Class A/B Amplifier Features: Attenuator: variable Output: 50 Watts RMS, 16 ohms Valves: 2 X EL34, 4 x ECC83/12AX7 2 x ECC81/12AT7 Speaker output: 1 x 16ohm, 2 x 8ohm Dimensions: (W x H x D) 55cm (21.7") x 25.5cm (10") x 28cm (11") Weight: 25kgs (55 lbs.) Channel A controls: Gain, Shape, Volume. Channel B controls: Gain, Bass, Middle, Treble, Volume Attenuator control: footswitchable for both channels Reverb control: foot switcahble for both channels It is in great shape. Almost as if you bought it from the store. Selling it f= or $1600 or best offer ( please, give a reasonable best offer ). No trades! Please do not low-ball, I'd not sell this at all if I didn't need to.= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 00:27:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DA1A183460; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 00:27:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type; bh=fwnzgmJnZg0Ajk1uNX0k0O21Ifi+8tIc+arSxJOLK2k=; b=QwyGKICerGY9+RkMsKMKvloh8A9eKyAUyHAJRBHfUpnvdrJE3c0kyy3Lm2jMSbbmjy 1x0ok5VOnyPQz4KRt9qPxKzITJGpCboZAEnLml57nBUO9dH3sIVbMtojy6zqZm2QIjyn sVtTK0ND5oxeOrkOofESoOdHuQdia/8QcUpUgjP/8hBM6x4O9e+sBzMOv2QAqJTuhFUg HV63ZywOveMPu22o/QB0b+o74EBhLXoXm3A5BjvF0heFIllLaAOjKS22u3f48uxuGhed pnJNfexNMIFqKLBG7i+skruoxHzITLl8pvl7NL60wBJpGKfbM7b4yDFsR/o9OK7EvOzF +7Tg== Sender: David Lamkins Message-ID: <4F5FE5E3.20400@lamkins.net> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:27:15 -0700 From: "David B. Lamkins" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V12 #215 References: <20120313203602.0F9A9183462@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20120313203602.0F9A9183462@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010900050907070004060609" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 00:27:16 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010900050907070004060609 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Marcus, I can offer some thoughts regarding guitar DI. IME, it's difficult to get a decent sound from a tube guitar amp plugged into a load box. The speaker(s) and cabinet contribute a lot to the character of the sound; that character disappears when you use a load box. Yes, there are speaker cab simulators available. IME, the inexpensive ones are not a reasonable substitute for a real speaker and cabinet. If you search, you can find a much more expensive cab sim that uses impulse responses and convolution. It's probably better than the units in the $100 to $200 range that offer nothing beyond a simple filter, but... By the time you collect your amp head, your load box, your cab sim, cables, spare tubes, etc... you're still carrying a lot of stuff. Have you considered trying a digital amp modeler? Decent units cost (new) from $200 (Digitech RP355) to $900+ (Avid Eleven Rack) and are designed to sound like a mic'd amp. Bonus: they also have FX. Great for recording; great for DI in any venue that provides a decent sound system... I ditched my tube amps five years ago. The only things I've given up are amp volumes that can't be dialed down low enough for the room, unexpected (and costly) maintenance, flaky sound and behavior, and roughly sixty pounds of stuff to carry. David http://lamkins-guitar.com/ On 03/13/2012 01:36 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > *From:* Marcus Kirby > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Sent:* Thursday, March 1, 2012 8:15 PM > *Subject:* OT: How to mix guitar/synth/drum machines? Guitar DI vs Amp? > > I'm using a mono synth, guitar with a bunch of pedals, and some drum > samples in ableton. > > I have a bit to haul around, so I'm trying to minimize the amount of > equipment that I have. Which leads me to.... > > Issue One: Guitar DI vs Amp > I have a fender bandmaster reverb that sounds amazing. It isn't > feasible to carry around the amp+cab, pedals, keyboards, etc. This has > led me to going DI, but alas, it sounds bad. I've considered a small > 1x12 mic'ed, but then the fullness of the guitar starts to take > everything over. Is there any way to get a decent sound running DI? > Can I somehow run a dummy load from my amp head, then send the line > out signal to my interface? What about running the output of ableton > to my tube amp? > --------------010900050907070004060609 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Marcus,

I can offer some thoughts regarding guitar DI.

IME, it's difficult to get a decent sound from a tube guitar amp plugged into a load box. The speaker(s) and cabinet contribute a lot to the character of the sound; that character disappears when you use a load box. Yes, there are speaker cab simulators available. IME, the inexpensive ones are not a reasonable substitute for a real speaker and cabinet. If you search, you can find a much more expensive cab sim that uses impulse responses and convolution. It's probably better than the units in the $100 to $200 range that offer nothing beyond a simple filter, but...

By the time you collect your amp head, your load box, your cab sim, cables, spare tubes, etc... you're still carrying a lot of stuff.

Have you considered trying a digital amp modeler? Decent units cost (new) from $200 (Digitech RP355) to $900+ (Avid Eleven Rack) and are designed to sound like a mic'd amp. Bonus: they also have FX. Great for recording; great for DI in any venue that provides a decent sound system...

I ditched my tube amps five years ago. The only things I've given up are amp volumes that can't be dialed down low enough for the room, unexpected (and costly) maintenance, flaky sound and behavior, and roughly sixty pounds of stuff to carry.

David
http://lamkins-guitar.com/

On 03/13/2012 01:36 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote:

From: Marcus Kirby <marcusloops@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 8:15 PM
Subject: OT: How to mix guitar/synth/drum machines? Guitar DI vs Amp?

I'm using a mono synth, guitar with a bunch of pedals, and some drum samples in ableton.

I have a bit to haul around, so I'm trying to minimize the amount of equipment that I have. Which leads me to....

Issue One: Guitar DI vs Amp

I have a fender bandmaster reverb that sounds amazing. It isn't feasible to carry around the amp+cab, pedals, keyboards, etc. This has led me to going DI, but alas, it sounds bad. I've considered a small 1x12 mic'ed, but then the fullness of the guitar starts to take everything over. Is there any way to get a decent sound running DI? Can I somehow run a dummy load from my amp head, then send the line out signal to my interface? What about running the output of ableton to my tube amp?

--------------010900050907070004060609-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 00:29:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49B5018345C; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 00:29:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 255392.91011.bm@omp1028.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1331684986; bh=TJPMEBNaqAYaWCK91JluOpmon9kg9xwet4cyftwuOyI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=t4Vv/FFIo2NzjmqpOtJwJVLuMYC7p3xEcXtkSZz+adVvbmq3IeMYEw6LyToZbqOgPScOWaPpPSN6CUCM+lRC67CakkPZFk4bGeIgEM2HI8CC5ktMLWMyxwVVHIcyq1dSJCaXZ85y6S3QTQrkzUbtyi7iGtUkBhsQE6EcpE0kr3A= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mBCR5Np4WvxIiyCcxJG0DIBvUVjlglCnsdDz+Gm8+r+rmwqIfduRc5cVt2ecr9XkIkXakvQS99p91tp8UMzpP+foFiI0cpPO9ufaKJ/Xc4FjZ9mdFjzCX32Km0F7P3KQAfbPCIa1pG3fkv9TVDFqOZGezcQnWs36Aj86SKEiPJQ=; X-YMail-OSG: BTem6UkVM1mRYyDuxY5Kbb3bfNSNIr1kzYyb.uwnFPVKM7X 2aymDJWK68BoUS9SnKDdwH1H3IJ0FF6wFdPlRhfCTbCX.2MpjHbO2kSk8s4_ 81mOl4Dmlc._a.msJiexmcWrndYQnTrERt7556ZG0p.n4NfmoIDY7L4JnAAB z2muPZca7FPGwBLI7U295F8vxY.z5O0o3JcDSB8l9y8edl.hsEIo.1Y45xGH BHICt_sNTRgUbcSR7z.6Zt8iXxdxdSebxlYuBMZ.F9QkvGAH8vb2K.AqKHMm tqxZ8NEUcgQrq.XPeq7YuUn5l2XbdjcE2yau7VROMhtmMUN7EytbLlB5p8b1 a4zLSIH2JTI3WG8gVEjhtZ2wysb0fpOIT.pvyRRIveZ4ZLcRbvLNvFelnU7U 23U402YE_r3N6f2qWc1g6MO3.8PTmT.0Etu6jx6eM_ZWWs4Gd9bLd8c0Qqf2 DQCnWBtdQC4fVOH0RrLxBJsBhO8WZFsE16RTYQvTBgyqPm9K3OObXf4BxQAK yt8vCvXoYSGO_nwM- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.338427 References: <2C58ABCB-2361-4FDC-A1FC-0D8A6158A37D@sea.plala.or.jp> <084BA187-A6C2-4FFF-92D0-372BDA7F0E98@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1331684986.64096.YahooMailNeo@web180101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:29:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek Doss Reply-To: Derek Doss Subject: Re: Gigs/jams in the northern US? To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <084BA187-A6C2-4FFF-92D0-372BDA7F0E98@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-802094031-692124243-1331684986=:64096" Resent-Message-ID: <7h-ZIB.A.3HH.8Z-XPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 00:29:48 +0000 (UTC) ---802094031-692124243-1331684986=:64096 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Are you gonna make it all the way to the West Coast, Risto? I can at the very least guarantee a jam in the North Bay, since putting on a show is always gonna be more problematic for obvious reasons. Cheers, Derek ________________________________ From: Risto Paalanen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:28 AM Subject: Gigs/jams in the northern US? Hey folks! I realize this is all delightfully last minute, but let's see what can still be done... Turns out I'm coming over to NYC on the 17th, and I'll be staying there for at least two weeks. After that my plan is to start heading west and playing wherever I can along the way. At the moment my main problem is an utter lack of contacts in cities along the way (NYC, Boston, Montreal, Toronto, Detroit, Chicago, Minneapolis ... and finally Vancouver, Seattle, Bay Area?) and so I'd be immensely grateful for any help or contacts. As far as venues are concerned, I'm really very flexible. I can play pretty much anywhere with even a half-decent soundsystem, so anything from living rooms on up will do, as long as the audience has the right mindset. Jams and collaborations would be wonderful, too, obvs. I've been called ambient on occasion, but the output kinda varies with the audience and venue. Improv is pretty much the only constant factor, I guess. And looping, obviously. Yours, R. / Taphead http://taphead.bandcamp.com/ ---802094031-692124243-1331684986=:64096 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Are you gonna make it all the way to the West Coast, Risto?
I can at the very least guarantee a jam in the North Bay, since putting on a show is always gonna be more problematic for obvious reasons.

Cheers,
Derek

From: Risto Paalanen <risto.paalanen@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:28 AM
Subject: Gigs/jams in the northern US?

Hey folks!

I realize this is all delightfully last minute, but let's see what can still be done...

Turns out I'm coming over to NYC on the 17th, and I'll be staying there for at least two weeks. After that my plan is to start heading west and playing wherever I can along the way. At the moment my main problem is an utter lack of contacts in cities along the way (NYC, Boston, Montreal, Toronto, Detroit, Chicago, Minneapolis ... and finally Vancouver, Seattle, Bay Area?) and so I'd be immensely grateful for any help or contacts.

As far as venues are concerned, I'm really very flexible. I can play pretty much anywhere with even a half-decent soundsystem, so anything from living rooms on up will do, as long as the audience has the right mindset. Jams and collaborations would be wonderful, too, obvs.

I've been called ambient on occasion, but the output kinda varies with the audience and venue. Improv is pretty much the only constant factor, I guess. And looping, obviously.

Yours,
R. / Taphead
http://taphead.bandcamp.com/

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--e89a8fb20418311cbc04bb29e9ea-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 14:36:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 903A118345D; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:36:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=pY8590y+7NZ5ggHF/1i4vY8Ia2NnStUrX3XP/bvwXNU=; b=v4oxhffN7orCVBqqLxqQm/A9riH/CyEEg/wUigwEEkmz8MSjKLWiCJZJXhBHfJ9bBP 2gsmdaKnfNwYFYd/CW9wiixjBI6WLsmoccV2u9k5AeYtSxbXID0wQcBOOibkcivJ4EHq +ya0VIjGoB6IB0kZ5aVkRM4TbcIpVJ/mpnU69VqVcxnHifZ83BvZlzqDZ8ra2eVHf05W 3qXgDZMQpFt295T1LAWxhQPxuC75W55LLS0uIwiiB68l3KiuTqH1NPEXsmzC2CfYBCvo lYMnH5542uSDjb+2XBrI1mH8M1BT9UuyTOxyQMBIjw0yt+ysiMR9i3OmC2NRfLxoXs1v YvLg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 16:36:35 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Finally made that $100 From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174bde1e00caaa04bb34e7f0 Resent-Message-ID: <1ioTSB.A.OvF.0zKYPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:36:36 +0000 (UTC) --0015174bde1e00caaa04bb34e7f0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It's a good buy, I can tell http://www.image-line.com/documents/features.html >From that chart you can see what plug-ins are included with the producer edition! -Petri- 2012/3/14 kay'lon rushing > Mainly to Rick Walker: I finally can upgrade FL Studio to Producer! I > havent 100% decided if thats what I'm going to do but I have the money for > it now. What plugins & synths come with it? > -- Petri --0015174bde1e00caaa04bb34e7f0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's a good buy, I can tell

http://www.image-line.com/documents/features.html=

From that chart you can see what plug-ins are included with the= producer edition!

-Petri-

2012/3/14 kay'lon rushing= <k3zz21@gmail.com= >

Mainly to Rick Walker: I finally can upgrade FL Studio to Producer! I ha= vent 100% decided if thats what I'm going to do but I have the money fo= r it now. What plugins & synths come with it?

--
Petri

--0015174bde1e00caaa04bb34e7f0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 15:09:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54434183460; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 15:09:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=yOandSq0cjPCqngV/5oa2ZMNsaaqtqc76K58q1RfY8U=; b=jIYrt5UvojSqKAJ8ReP4JfA+4a3ICKfFgzKhX8FFQCSTE5ZweT48MfW504huEYl9Z3 txuVSqPFU7pRhe9nUUc2MNKbOh1WEt7R96gGuZB0aNR1GbfAK8YMHJYTFjFFXmN1mVna Iz4VHYwceoyUO4+9GRrFi4O8wQn4JSxkAOS++GPzz6kthDzrHubpZGVFRsQoUaBCwvku 6bNoAIM5aoSN+kxp1mz1q7dvyjKNIdbRorAAFw9OfI7aTCoPLVCRgxq82KsBQqQaOfc/ 17yVNdMU7mowuHD4wbpeSAYgEuSTs4v7029jR8iwLdbd9cZ3AZguWSRlPsh0dBc8rWvb 8/PA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:09:18 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Finally made that $100 From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0442879e00fce104bb355c59 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 15:09:19 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0442879e00fce104bb355c59 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Aww I was hoping I would get some new synth plugins :/ On Mar 14, 2012 7:36 AM, "Petri Lahtinen" wrote: > It's a good buy, I can tell > > http://www.image-line.com/documents/features.html > > From that chart you can see what plug-ins are included with the producer > edition! > > -Petri- > > 2012/3/14 kay'lon rushing > >> Mainly to Rick Walker: I finally can upgrade FL Studio to Producer! I >> havent 100% decided if thats what I'm going to do but I have the money for >> it now. What plugins & synths come with it? >> > > > > -- > Petri > > > --f46d0442879e00fce104bb355c59 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Aww I was hoping I would get some new synth plugins :/

On Mar 14, 2012 7:36 AM, "Petri Lahtinen&qu= ot; <kollegavalmentaja@gm= ail.com> wrote:
It's a good buy, I can tell

http://www.image-line.com/docum= ents/features.html

From that chart you can see what plug-ins are= included with the producer edition!

-Petri-

2012/3/14 kay'lon rushing= <k3zz21@gmail.com>

Mainly to Rick Walker: I finally can upgrade FL Studio to Producer! I ha= vent 100% decided if thats what I'm going to do but I have the money fo= r it now. What plugins & synths come with it?

--
Petri

--f46d0442879e00fce104bb355c59-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 15:50:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 741CC18345C; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 15:50:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=pAtOXGEikEXgkgYegk3cAdTTry1yN081YKrI8OE45E4=; b=il+hCI7I/zxgT9WY0QEkDayFQ3i/lUZLcJQIm5mZ7xmA0eqtu57utIzwOC53SGtHAJ TmJsRR4spmYaLyOoQUE53Tb9PGIiWQOY4CipMgGIdy4CcrfPLVL1MCALIsDBV500pJ11 bqQ3r13hmiQySbf928n76MNy7NeeOZENeW8NkztA+JaU60SRcwRFzm9/6fKxiafhP7Kk LRSzhhUvJvNTwDtq7dsLATzW+2YwETFKYInAtC11VgdAgrRRSHRrpqM9EdSg/iZntiGa JaAb3e1i3Wz85UwRKKYUGrtyO82qSmi/ScSdVYv/Xi9wCBm90QLQdoqN2X95HMLN/zQz m5Vw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 11:50:21 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Finally made that $100 From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f6428ecd8447f04bb35eea6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 15:50:22 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f6428ecd8447f04bb35eea6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Are you on mac? $30 gets you mainstage and all the effects and instruments that ship with logic. You won't be able to host them anywhere else than mainstage, but some crafty wiring (virtual or otherwise) will allow you to use them elsewhere. Sylvain On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:09 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > Aww I was hoping I would get some new synth plugins :/ > On Mar 14, 2012 7:36 AM, "Petri Lahtinen" > wrote: > >> It's a good buy, I can tell >> >> http://www.image-line.com/documents/features.html >> >> From that chart you can see what plug-ins are included with the producer >> edition! >> >> -Petri- >> >> 2012/3/14 kay'lon rushing >> >>> Mainly to Rick Walker: I finally can upgrade FL Studio to Producer! I >>> havent 100% decided if thats what I'm going to do but I have the money for >>> it now. What plugins & synths come with it? >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Petri >> >> >> --e89a8f6428ecd8447f04bb35eea6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Are you on mac? =A0$30 gets you mainstage and all the effects and instrumen= ts that ship with logic. =A0You won't be able to host them anywhere els= e than mainstage, but some crafty wiring (virtual or otherwise) will allow = you to use them elsewhere.
Sylvain

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:09 AM,= kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mar 14, 2012 7:36 AM, "Petri Lahtinen&qu= ot; <ko= llegavalmentaja@gmail.com> wrote:
It's a good buy, I can tell

http://www.image-line.com/docum= ents/features.html

From that chart you can see what plug-ins are= included with the producer edition!

-Petri-

2012/3/14 kay'lon rushing= <k3zz21@gmail.com>

Mainly to Rick Walker: I finally can upgrade FL Studio to Producer! I ha= vent 100% decided if thats what I'm going to do but I have the money fo= r it now. What plugins & synths come with it?

--
Petri

--e89a8f6428ecd8447f04bb35eea6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 17:42:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7046618345C; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 17:42:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=WSF/Ini5H8HYP6oD1l94MGEYdAe5Yjfvgy7ZdKv57Gw=; b=mM1Qm6xmh/N/r7SihSbC02iv7U8CRdwVaXCjvRyA6pqSIOBWuEA3A1sGRuNG8Gyh9R fCwXTitfnyGogsQesYzZFXa3p43aUqPF7qI3HNcxWkamVmoqdjZcb3neqRxl+9Yd+J0A iB1TPt9FdOMErE4x9TG5UvKreiORWB+kLcZthHupxLw89M7udTFM8gHC41OkznNePOLu 9NDyNc+oLe/AX9HMPcdN9zUBDraVOUollS7oNyiXLe/Lo6g4EzwH9UlG7lLJxU3XZoVI ODq7/lGAvGOpE58Bubh4GKt3EYUSG6EDCHY6bm3760Y05tAflZpHV9INyaPJiJDl4wVb AAGg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 19:42:30 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Finally made that $100 From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4e6ffc8defd2ce04bb377fb8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 17:42:32 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4e6ffc8defd2ce04bb377fb8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The world of free VST's seems to work fine for me... :-) A good piano is something that cant be found in free VST domain. KVR Audio FTW :-) 2012/3/14 Sylvain Poitras > Are you on mac? $30 gets you mainstage and all the effects and > instruments that ship with logic. You won't be able to host them anywhere > else than mainstage, but some crafty wiring (virtual or otherwise) will > allow you to use them elsewhere. > Sylvain > > > On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:09 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > >> Aww I was hoping I would get some new synth plugins :/ >> On Mar 14, 2012 7:36 AM, "Petri Lahtinen" >> wrote: >> >>> It's a good buy, I can tell >>> >>> http://www.image-line.com/documents/features.html >>> >>> From that chart you can see what plug-ins are included with the producer >>> edition! >>> >>> -Petri- >>> >>> 2012/3/14 kay'lon rushing >>> >>>> Mainly to Rick Walker: I finally can upgrade FL Studio to Producer! I >>>> havent 100% decided if thats what I'm going to do but I have the money for >>>> it now. What plugins & synths come with it? >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Petri >>> >>> >>> > -- Petri --e0cb4e6ffc8defd2ce04bb377fb8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The world of free VST's seems to work fine for me... :-)

A good = piano is something that cant be found in free VST domain.
KVR Audio FTW = :-)

2012/3/14 Sylvain Poitras <sylvain.trombone= @gmail.com>

Are you on mac? =A0$30 gets you mainstage an= d all the effects and instruments that ship with logic. =A0You won't be= able to host them anywhere else than mainstage, but some crafty wiring (vi= rtual or otherwise) will allow you to use them elsewhere.
Sylvain

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:09 AM, kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com= > wrote:

Aww I was hoping I would get some new synth plugins :/

On Mar 14, 2012 7:36 AM, "Petri Lahtinen&qu= ot; <ko= llegavalmentaja@gmail.com> wrote:
It's a good buy, I can tell

http://www.image-line.com/docum= ents/features.html

From that chart you can see what plug-ins are= included with the producer edition!

-Petri-

2012/3/14 kay'lon rushing= <k3zz21@gmail.com>

Mainly to Rick Walker: I finally can upgrade FL Studio to Producer! I ha= vent 100% decided if thats what I'm going to do but I have the money fo= r it now. What plugins & synths come with it?

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Petri

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Petri

--e0cb4e6ffc8defd2ce04bb377fb8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 18:32:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E69418345E; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 18:32:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=xXQSi6yDh5Gw8WMb3TdYi8kjjD2B0WnOq45nmBXlLqI=; b=GTv0P0PWc2u2Fbv5gWPbd3RfrnD5S1sseyB0yubod4Dfdvb0km6b69gaiTZiei5NPR RWkj6t8aMPTX2k3tDAWIlx2lfRlfaP1cF6aK/AvQMFjM+VuMAYZ6/mnqy4f6oMqdlZWT uyNaOywm/LkU6TCdavNYmx3oJThKVE36WoM2gKbfIMd9ZupTDFKBRLANAvH6dIdFNVfd sP3qLeqQaTiP/klQMmclslTI6QtkdgJFeCtFjq+iPMIPiJ6SD8DDGfuJed7B1cOfyC7k CgZbsl32te6/3pZ9BFvDqMR1GpKr22B5Ridf8sRZqltoMhKwljX2pLpiF7nKHGWVn7W7 sd9w== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 11:32:00 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Finally made that $100 From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04138cbbee3c1804bb38301c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 18:32:01 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04138cbbee3c1804bb38301c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Any recommendations? Im looking for possibly an fm synth that sounds like the yamaha porta sound series. On Mar 14, 2012 10:42 AM, "Petri Lahtinen" wrote: > The world of free VST's seems to work fine for me... :-) > > A good piano is something that cant be found in free VST domain. > KVR Audio FTW :-) > > 2012/3/14 Sylvain Poitras > >> Are you on mac? $30 gets you mainstage and all the effects and >> instruments that ship with logic. You won't be able to host them anywhere >> else than mainstage, but some crafty wiring (virtual or otherwise) will >> allow you to use them elsewhere. >> Sylvain >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:09 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: >> >>> Aww I was hoping I would get some new synth plugins :/ >>> On Mar 14, 2012 7:36 AM, "Petri Lahtinen" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> It's a good buy, I can tell >>>> >>>> http://www.image-line.com/documents/features.html >>>> >>>> From that chart you can see what plug-ins are included with the >>>> producer edition! >>>> >>>> -Petri- >>>> >>>> 2012/3/14 kay'lon rushing >>>> >>>>> Mainly to Rick Walker: I finally can upgrade FL Studio to Producer! I >>>>> havent 100% decided if thats what I'm going to do but I have the money for >>>>> it now. What plugins & synths come with it? >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Petri >>>> >>>> >>>> >> > > > -- > Petri > > > --f46d04138cbbee3c1804bb38301c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Any recommendations? Im looking for possibly an fm synth that sounds lik= e the yamaha porta sound series.

On Mar 14, 2012 10:42 AM, "Petri Lahtinen&q= uot; <kollegavalmentaja@g= mail.com> wrote:
The world of free VST's seems to work fine for me... :-)

A good = piano is something that cant be found in free VST domain.
KVR Audio FTW = :-)

2012/3/14 Sylvain Poitras <sylvain.trombone@gmail.com>

Are you on mac? =A0$30 gets you mainstage an= d all the effects and instruments that ship with logic. =A0You won't be= able to host them anywhere else than mainstage, but some crafty wiring (vi= rtual or otherwise) will allow you to use them elsewhere.
Sylvain

On Wed, M= ar 14, 2012 at 11:09 AM, kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:

Aww I was hoping I would get some new synth plugins :/

On Mar 14, 2012 7:36 AM, "Petri Lahtinen&qu= ot; <ko= llegavalmentaja@gmail.com> wrote:
It's a good buy, I can tell

http://www.image-line.com/docum= ents/features.html

From that chart you can see what plug-ins are= included with the producer edition!

-Petri-

2012/3/14 kay'lon rushing= <k3zz21@gmail.com>

Mainly to Rick Walker: I finally can upgrade FL Studio to Producer! I ha= vent 100% decided if thats what I'm going to do but I have the money fo= r it now. What plugins & synths come with it?

--
Petri

--
Petri

--f46d04138cbbee3c1804bb38301c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 19:46:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18640183460; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 19:46:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=nLFhkLQNFeRcGSbxj1w8oRxAaubaxTT4j2NtovWCwB8=; b=S+Kb8RkqYQ4AbkbiaqDjgixwWdDCxZtNGfhtuM6XnhomXIYsff5w7HC0ZJBcX0xiQ3 tXBDf8jHWIIbQmHi7eWKFH/HismLqbqDTBR1U9roHn/GgHCnHYqS6vuRi0zFFBq9DDwZ wlmg1QVRnPMXJ7Xqi5645OjKCAYu/f7M1T/sPiEJwN/chqgiWdMgq5MEXd1Q9TaBkN9U T4/2swZYKv11zcV2DVCLxya4auJ0Ur0vAsGUOfeYFImJoJWXG60BWNqEBb1NaVF75eb0 rzid5RCswoHsIkhRTYBaa4Dr2mMbgAmACF46XMy1OCDEFUWjpiaGqsQfqwShHxjbktDo CCgg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 15:46:40 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Finally made that $100 From: Tony K To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1c794fd1f4004bb393b64 Resent-Message-ID: <3SEDRD.A.7HB.hWPYPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 19:46:41 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8ff1c794fd1f4004bb393b64 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 http://www.greenoak.com/crystal/about.html Crystal has subtractive and FM synthesis. Not sure if it sounds like a Porta, but it's exceptionally cool. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:32 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > Any recommendations? Im looking for possibly an fm synth that sounds like > the yamaha porta sound series. > On Mar 14, 2012 10:42 AM, "Petri Lahtinen" > wrote: > >> The world of free VST's seems to work fine for me... :-) >> >> A good piano is something that cant be found in free VST domain. >> KVR Audio FTW :-) >> >> 2012/3/14 Sylvain Poitras >> >>> Are you on mac? $30 gets you mainstage and all the effects and >>> instruments that ship with logic. You won't be able to host them anywhere >>> else than mainstage, but some crafty wiring (virtual or otherwise) will >>> allow you to use them elsewhere. >>> Sylvain >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:09 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: >>> >>>> Aww I was hoping I would get some new synth plugins :/ >>>> On Mar 14, 2012 7:36 AM, "Petri Lahtinen" >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> It's a good buy, I can tell >>>>> >>>>> http://www.image-line.com/documents/features.html >>>>> >>>>> From that chart you can see what plug-ins are included with the >>>>> producer edition! >>>>> >>>>> -Petri- >>>>> >>>>> 2012/3/14 kay'lon rushing >>>>> >>>>>> Mainly to Rick Walker: I finally can upgrade FL Studio to Producer! I >>>>>> havent 100% decided if thats what I'm going to do but I have the money for >>>>>> it now. What plugins & synths come with it? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Petri >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Petri >> >> >> -- -==-=-=- Tony --e89a8ff1c794fd1f4004bb393b64 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.greenoak.= com/crystal/about.html

Crystal has subtractive and FM synthesis.= =A0 Not sure if it sounds like a Porta, but it's exceptionally cool.

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:32 PM, kay'= ;lon rushing <k3zz= 21@gmail.com> wrote:

Any recommendations? Im looking for possibly an fm synth that sounds lik= e the yamaha porta sound series.

On Mar 14, 2012 10:42 AM, "Petri Lahtinen&q= uot; <k= ollegavalmentaja@gmail.com> wrote:
The world of free VST's seems to work fine for me... :-)

A good = piano is something that cant be found in free VST domain.
KVR Audio FTW = :-)

2012/3/14 Sylvain Poitras <sylvain.trombone@gmail.com>

Are you on mac? =A0$30 gets you mainstage an= d all the effects and instruments that ship with logic. =A0You won't be= able to host them anywhere else than mainstage, but some crafty wiring (vi= rtual or otherwise) will allow you to use them elsewhere.
Sylvain

On Wed, M= ar 14, 2012 at 11:09 AM, kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com> wrote:

Aww I was hoping I would get some new synth plugins :/

On Mar 14, 2012 7:36 AM, "Petri Lahtinen&qu= ot; <ko= llegavalmentaja@gmail.com> wrote:
It's a good buy, I can tell

http://www.image-line.com/docum= ents/features.html

From that chart you can see what plug-ins are= included with the producer edition!

-Petri-

2012/3/14 kay'lon rushing= <k3zz21@gmail.com>

Mainly to Rick Walker: I finally can upgrade FL Studio to Producer! I ha= vent 100% decided if thats what I'm going to do but I have the money fo= r it now. What plugins & synths come with it?

--
Petri

--
Petri

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Tony
--e89a8ff1c794fd1f4004bb393b64-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 20:21:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 937CB183460; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 20:21:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=kPUuU2NophqXIRAcjuRdUeDTBU6sqk4jTMKdc273qGk=; b=tLwE4jRmmG4SjT6CmmvX6uu085KnCjnGLtd0O+kjYbqAl4aQz73NlnLySCkGm0mxGM bN0fwFXwVboQjmpPNgOZuGzL9OiYHKh92hOftPfiEB7iv9C5KuESmJsqYNoWLeBx6IN/ Gs07kMfwbZYzVzAwtHug+VN+EDANuFcKEP06J8nRn8vktmaLw0Glzp/NM1X3NXi7ksw+ rEn3hw++jo1FCD7b61yFVvUt9fYFdep6f+Gc9xpgZJ4sz7lnb/gENXmLCcE9Qau2YziP e8xMgMJhE9CKJafebjv+YLGkTOk4CWs1gjIYYshLab+R7M5UkAjhOoZj1DSQ7P3Jm/kh wNsQ== Message-ID: <4F60FDBA.10102@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:21:14 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: How to mix guitar/synth/drum machines? Guitar DI vs Amp? References: <20120313203602.0F9A9183462@arsenic.violacea.com> <4F5FE5E3.20400@lamkins.net> In-Reply-To: <4F5FE5E3.20400@lamkins.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 20:21:08 +0000 (UTC) You might very well be the first tube amp guitarist guy how openly recommends a digital modelling thingie because it's better in every way ;). (me, I don't have a proper opinion on that myself - other that modelling things work for me. Then, I never played guitar through a real amp, and bass only occasionally through the TC Elliot in our rehearsal space back then. On the other hand, I do have a few analogue synths (which I won't replace with VSTis, but then again I also have far more digital synths which I won't replace with VSTis, so...) > I can offer some thoughts regarding guitar DI. > > Have you considered trying a digital amp modeler? Decent units cost > (new) from $200 (Digitech RP355) to $900+ (Avid Eleven Rack) and are > designed to sound like a mic'd amp. Bonus: they also have FX. Great > for recording; great for DI in any venue that provides a decent sound > system... > > I ditched my tube amps five years ago. The only things I've given up > are amp volumes that can't be dialed down low enough for the room, > unexpected (and costly) maintenance, -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 20:25:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D75218345D; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 20:25:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bzgG309fsfU03EdxQ+TNyim1eaXXWegweQXexUDzPuA=; b=g4iZc37VDxPtazFdhYsVXu9G5sJpMkwIn7KTbGW8XLrSuUcpwu8nqQpal7p346Exyb vYYdnWFMc6YgsXHjqvrAJAkRgGgsl711kUFWD+8lxAsiEkJqG26Z8joxIi4z0j//WEDb IDYmyaC0GBLxqkikUREVmKDoAvUht6fqM7cFrRiVUgxyJTPIqjyBTahTfiLGv+qUBHFf NPHQrqeTf2ugqSaDUjD8/svqrpLodPd1bs2egutZRoLIv0e9CHq2bIu2V3gnxj3dRXMD KQmdEqRFO6Txv8GOWJlehF51tfammOwBCz+r9nmrbNaPrFC5aEG3z+b69GkzOgiRNsaC 9JeA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:24:59 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Finally made that $100 From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <-6TVoC.A.ItB.c6PYPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 20:25:00 +0000 (UTC) Well, since Mainstage/Logic was mentioned I can answer that question for this package: There is one FM synth included. You can get good Detroit Techno sounds (the classic DX11 I think) and most typical fm synthesis sounds. In total Logic/Mainstage has 12 virtual instruments: one modeling, one FM, one sampler, one hybrid, one vocoder and the rest subtractive synthesis based. I have many non-Logic synths but I usually prefer to use the Logic/Mainstage instruments because both Logic and Mainstge offer a global micro tonal tuning (with a huge library). If for example setting a Chines Lu tuning based on C# this will affect any synth you upen up. To me such speeding up of the work-flow means a lot, as I'm often trying out many ideas and kind of lose interest if I have to open up a synths's GUI and tune it for every new sound patch I'm trying out. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 7:32 PM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > Any recommendations? Im looking for possibly an fm synth that sounds like > the yamaha porta sound series. > > On Mar 14, 2012 10:42 AM, "Petri Lahtinen" > wrote: >> >> The world of free VST's seems to work fine for me... :-) >> >> A good piano is something that cant be found in free VST domain. >> KVR Audio FTW :-) >> >> 2012/3/14 Sylvain Poitras >>> >>> Are you on mac? =C2=A0$30 gets you mainstage and all the effects and >>> instruments that ship with logic. =C2=A0You won't be able to host them = anywhere >>> else than mainstage, but some crafty wiring (virtual or otherwise) will >>> allow you to use them elsewhere. >>> Sylvain >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:09 AM, kay'lon rushing >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Aww I was hoping I would get some new synth plugins :/ >>>> >>>> On Mar 14, 2012 7:36 AM, "Petri Lahtinen" >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It's a good buy, I can tell >>>>> >>>>> http://www.image-line.com/documents/features.html >>>>> >>>>> From that chart you can see what plug-ins are included with the >>>>> producer edition! >>>>> >>>>> -Petri- >>>>> >>>>> 2012/3/14 kay'lon rushing >>>>>> >>>>>> Mainly to Rick Walker: I finally can upgrade FL Studio to Producer! = I >>>>>> havent 100% decided if thats what I'm going to do but I have the mon= ey for >>>>>> it now. What plugins & synths come with it? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Petri >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Petri >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 21:06:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5376F18345B; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:06:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=LHUcG9Jn+KdLzqTAiNyfpwXHffJuqOD5iqH6wLMIZfM=; b=gCZYFOL1j3BD3Yl70nKtqv/YQUEkaHisXR4eD5qxqmJFGt1qL/0KYox8lk41i34Kez 79AALLHh9rX73nAG1VbVDu6OLBVBvoVAdapCi0lRNI3GwPQCX2CLrnsDdhMtdRAHju7X b7sudXKrmhYZ6+0myjeYVjRxSxN+GxSOsbx9Q/epoJYYRPDC1YkNu/NxF6OXuEIWVrpy LAl3iksICFhAdqBlyjWRMsf1mLtK3uDkXCz7wpBeMn2sdkJ18L9Bh65zeWoRPX81pL1S 6pLGenWL2aoOQyKfCQzCidvuyyUPUiilPQBTZoPG96bdwAxhuoLikhEISvOXI15vyvJT YnEw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8530EC1E-A72F-4A94-A983-4F6341785923@sea.plala.or.jp> References: <8530EC1E-A72F-4A94-A983-4F6341785923@sea.plala.or.jp> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 22:06:40 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Finally made that $100 From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Cc: Ed Durbrow Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <0VmZhC.A.GMC.hhQYPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:06:41 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Ed Durbrow wrote: > Seriously?! Wow! I won't be able to try this out in Logic until I get back > to Japan (since I only have access to a lowly G3 iBook here in America), but > can you tell me more? Where do you set the tuning temperament? Hi Ed, It is at: "Settings / Tuning" > And, most > importantly, is it possible to change the reference pitch somewhere in the > sequence? No. I wish that was possible too! For now the only way to combine different fixed tunings in separate parts of the same piece is to mix down the parts (of unique tunings) to audio and glue those audio files together before mastering the piece. > What I would like to do is use some kind of mean tone temperament > for certain parts of a composition, but either go back to equal temperament > or change the reference pitch of the mean tone on the fly it the piece > modulates. I sometimes use Hermode Tuning (HMT) and once got very good results with a piano piece. Hermode Tuning is kind of semi intelligent in Logic, meaning you first have to chose it for your song project and then play through the full piece to let Logic perform an analyze. After doing that some notes in the scale are subtly re-tuned depending on what other instruments play at that particular point. In the real world this tuning is common in choir music and string quartets (e.g. where tunings are not physically locked as with piano and guitar). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 22:35:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82C2D183454; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 22:35:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=4aKGZYkS6JylOjxdqiCVn41ot1G+AHcPHTSbq1Z8wQI=; b=YMZQ+BmwA6hra8MiZfQXpEJFwzb16Aop7eGGUqSVDjkUtwo8OxgHJW+rz5T9NtuhFp gADOZcDKmSYW6A+JnArQc4EaUxmnnIRqkdvqEH3kc+a8a1FII+/wcFpkWJb+I+OKWfb7 dzk07+BePYnj8YsUlE2MJ63NN4Kog2Bqrcgzi1vYfdlvIdAUsZCA/lJm+V0lGKGpNQW7 DIlQNZ/1zBAJNjvkemCTYi2xvcQJofml5w3xc9GXsRnwYLyZq7ZvniMPfedR8kaBkAlP fVjO+sk/YLGJVhwIf4x76kPjTOVXoTaiYVIIracmLpWeLPWWRipMTyuDFIFhdOoSObKI cs8Q== Subject: Re: OT: How to mix guitar/synth/drum machines? Guitar DI vs Amp? References: <20120313203602.0F9A9183462@arsenic.violacea.com> <4F5FE5E3.20400@lamkins.net> <4F60FDBA.10102@googlemail.com> From: Philip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: <4F60FDBA.10102@googlemail.com> Message-Id: Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 07:35:29 +0900 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 22:35:39 +0000 (UTC) Here's another ex-tube amp guy.=20 I sold my tube amps and now use the AxeFx II exclusively. For the first time= in thirty years, I don't own a single amp--and I couldn't be happier. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 15, 2012, at 5:21 AM, Rainer Straschill wr= ote: > You might very well be the first tube amp guitarist guy how openly recomme= nds a digital modelling thingie because it's better in every way ;). >=20 > (me, I don't have a proper opinion on that myself - other that modelling t= hings work for me. Then, I never played guitar through a real amp, and bass o= nly occasionally through the TC Elliot in our rehearsal space back then. On t= he other hand, I do have a few analogue synths (which I won't replace with V= STis, but then again I also have far more digital synths which I won't repla= ce with VSTis, so...) >> I can offer some thoughts regarding guitar DI. >>=20 >> Have you considered trying a digital amp modeler? Decent units cost (new)= from $200 (Digitech RP355) to $900+ (Avid Eleven Rack) and are designed to s= ound like a mic'd amp. Bonus: they also have FX. Great for recording; great f= or DI in any venue that provides a decent sound system... >>=20 >> I ditched my tube amps five years ago. The only things I've given up are a= mp volumes that can't be dialed down low enough for the room, unexpected (an= d costly) maintenance,=20 > --=20 > http://moinlabs.de > Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 14 22:47:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43636183454; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 22:47:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=4sYP5veyDMTeyPxPX+JpJucuWud7yxUtwQg/ZgHTnfM=; b=wVr+YO3RLuv2eh7eptnwKwqmZcAi1SNiU1/E0QWufeTId6qFgQkYxepGYBTI4AJzsG uEPNsmGP5ZLV+9OvfrUgCF2ESDIvQblYKDt2xONsasMuUMib0SI9ZxoZi/F/C+J94stD Di7gH3xgQk1qukrfYZXUZe04dAr6GCDlz6GDiKcLLDYXdDcmCmTSxhnPrH5xhl7Ke0x0 4QBri9sex7R14k7HmwpU4TL5i5FcGDKu3XCpxZA9Lwo7SFER+QtY7morGw04kMzMtQK/ Pulo1RdIjtnwccq6yr01iEWP8rZN5XYziutHD7XZgoasVIh0/RP9SCOd5RpneqQDJgeJ WQqA== Subject: Gibson Echoplexes References: <8530EC1E-A72F-4A94-A983-4F6341785923@sea.plala.or.jp> From: Philip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <829E6660-5D44-48EC-8CB0-A0912FB2CD92@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 07:47:10 +0900 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 22:47:18 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I've been an off and on member of the list for about six years. I'd like to get a pair of Gibson EDPs with Loop IV 198secs. There is a pair on eBay now, but the seller won't ship to Japan--where I liv= e. I have an older Oberheim, but I'd love to replace it with a pair of The newe= r ones. Is the seller 'bostonjazzgtr' a member here or a friend of a member? Or does= someone here have one or two EDPs for sale? P Sent from my iPhone On Mar 15, 2012, at 6:06 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Ed Durbrow wro= te: >> Seriously?! Wow! I won't be able to try this out in Logic until I get bac= k >> to Japan (since I only have access to a lowly G3 iBook here in America), b= ut >> can you tell me more? Where do you set the tuning temperament? >=20 >=20 > Hi Ed, >=20 > It is at: > "Settings / Tuning" >=20 >> And, most >> importantly, is it possible to change the reference pitch somewhere in th= e >> sequence? >=20 > No. I wish that was possible too! For now the only way to combine > different fixed tunings in separate parts of the same piece is to mix > down the parts (of unique tunings) to audio and glue those audio files > together before mastering the piece. >=20 >> What I would like to do is use some kind of mean tone temperament >> for certain parts of a composition, but either go back to equal temperame= nt >> or change the reference pitch of the mean tone on the fly it the piece >> modulates. >=20 > I sometimes use Hermode Tuning (HMT) and once got very good results > with a piano piece. Hermode Tuning is kind of semi intelligent in > Logic, meaning you first have to chose it for your song project and > then play through the full piece to let Logic perform an analyze. > After doing that some notes in the scale are subtly re-tuned depending > on what other instruments play at that particular point. In the real > world this tuning is common in choir music and string quartets (e.g. > where tunings are not physically locked as with piano and guitar). >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 03:18:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACB5C18345E; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 03:18:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=helpwantedproductions.com; h= message-id:date:subject:from:to:mime-version:content-type: content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=helpwantedproductions.com; b=Rx0r4yBGPZsemrGMWL3oivLKcsOlVIpm6z4D14IZAjViZ1li0kxLDgODG+u/M LKLp9+yYCoNsSTqihNkN4Ccz+mc5KGRDoc0kpr4jxxc+1S91KLg5DKZW+gqvnsP1 OhdQpRqtHV8DBr73daLpZEimarfIRemnfp2l0IXRqGQ2rU= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=helpwantedproductions.com; h=message-id:date:subject:from:to:mime-version:content-type: content-transfer-encoding; s=helpwantedproductions.com; bh=JXQ0v Gx2pFicGXnZm3VnckbV0B0=; b=EL/YiXIGWivUxUFjFpnBUY7h790KWbfeYvM4U ZmEkTl8sWGaBwCUgfe2msQTib2zmpYQQh7K2/h12rOcR4AVX3mRntxjIticZi9vv Pfa9jN+EVsNfMQSh2/m9ZxdQV2k3lBXk/jeM4+OLai0Dqs2o2dV44IftYo/q6436 N6k6oM= Message-ID: <002232c46be6d741ecf34e76c8eaeab5.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 20:18:41 -0700 Subject: raymond Scott movie and presentation this Friday phila PA From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com To: "Synth DIY" , "Loopers Delight" , "AH" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 03:18:44 +0000 (UTC) I have nothing to do with this show but it looks great. The Rotunda has a long history of great shows and movies (electronic and otherwise) in phil a. And it's free! http://www.therotunda.org/events/inventing-the-machine-man-a-multimedia-e= xploration-of-raymond-scott-pres-by-bowerbird --=20 --------------------------------------- NEW DAED SITE!! - Http://DaedSound.com DAED: Circuit Bent and Unusual Sound Devices "Making Something Extraordinary from the Ordinary" Music and Downloads at the New Online Site: http://davidtalento.bandcamp.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 04:00:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 717CF18345D; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 04:00:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <002232c46be6d741ecf34e76c8eaeab5.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> References: <002232c46be6d741ecf34e76c8eaeab5.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Revfever Subject: Re: raymond Scott movie and presentation this Friday phila PA Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 20:59:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 04:00:03 +0000 (UTC) Luckily, I got to see a presentation (the premier?) of this Raymond Scott doc here in Portlandia almost 2 years ago and with Scott's son there to host the presentation and to relate some personal stories and info about his incredible father. It was very enjoyable. This gig at The Rotunda and with JE Winner looks to be a very promising experience. And FREE! Whoa.... If only I lived in Philly, or had the $ to take a quick roundtrip there! (sigh) Oh well.... :-) Cheers- Rev. Stevie Fever Portlandia http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental1 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/elemental2 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/skult On Mar 14, 2012, at 8:18 PM, legion@helpwantedproductions.com wrote: > I have nothing to do with this show but it looks great. The Rotunda > has a long history of great shows and movies (electronic and > otherwise) in phil a. And it's free! > > http://www.therotunda.org/events/inventing-the-machine-man-a- > multimedia-exploration-of-raymond-scott-pres-by-bowerbird > > > > -- > --------------------------------------- > NEW DAED SITE!! - Http://DaedSound.com > DAED: Circuit Bent and Unusual Sound Devices > "Making Something Extraordinary from the Ordinary" > > Music and Downloads at the New Online Site: > http://davidtalento.bandcamp.com/ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 07:20:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00B5A183454; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 07:20:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 943 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 07:20:52 UTC X-WhiteListed: mail was accepted with no delay X-WhiteListed: mail was accepted with no delay X-Originating-IP: 217.70.178.131 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mfilter11-d.gandi.net X-Originating-IP: 146.251.125.100 Message-ID: <4F619467.8020100@m3ch.net> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 10:04:07 +0300 From: Dust Bunnies User-Agent: Postbox 2.5.2 (Macintosh/20110802) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Finally made that $100 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 07:20:52 +0000 (UTC) On 3/14/12 8:42 PM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > > A good piano is something that cant be found in free VST domain. I'd agree: not in the free domain. But Modartt's Pianoteq is worth every dime; easily the best piano VST I've seen. -m- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 09:13:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42948183460; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:13:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 320 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:13:14 UTC X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A0B0204.4F61B168.0186,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-libjamoibt: 1821 Message-ID: <17109650.4205971331802472608.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 10:07:52 +0100 (CET) From: Massimo Liverani Reply-To: Massimo Liverani To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: NEXT Florence Live Looping Y2KX+2 pre-call MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_338770_13992179.1331802472608" X-SenderIP: 85.47.237.138 X-libjamv: O+wK+46eN5Y= X-libjamsun: EOMNEMC1UsqcJcjUC7jBqq9jmLW5eUTg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:13:15 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_338770_13992179.1331802472608 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Florence Live Looping Festival 2012 (Y2KX+2) pre-call: I'd like to inform all the loopers that the FLLF 2012 will probably be held in July in Florence. 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Florence Live Looping Festival 2012 (Y2KX+2) pre-call:
I'd like to inform all the loopers that the FLLF 2012 will probably be held in July in Florence. (and maybe in Spoleto?) We still don't know exactly the dates but will probably be a weekend and the location for Florence will be the same in the park. I'll give more details soon...stay tuned!

------=_Part_338770_13992179.1331802472608-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 11:40:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C145183454; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 11:40:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:subject:date:message-id:to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=8WguCN0tZXRXNXVW94JXYHY6gRZSq0+p/J0il6fYGzA=; b=vmZsMaOVSwGPjjFjhF7JwYPUaR9+fiSCoGQC/Y/PUra5olV1UCUQ92C5LAO0NFi587 uIlMsWoGQIgafBsGrTIiHJghRfSWtDCXGVl0FMEPzRERYqppNhuXG/bxFfpwUlTDqsO+ Yd+jAAx84T98A5kWovqxFaVmn06Qm5XldJGeW0898tb42de/W3WGE9jEti2xWGujNM8e +UVBIE4b3r/bWg3/MC7PWmQ3/MajXXh2gEMQ8sk9hQIYT+VgGWcAAozZHYabiu0WUhDI IU+CJ0HHd23onGS6RO8FERUM/8T5Pej8Vu4pRE6l1ztGYaiwQYgPizYmgM7N5JB9jb+E z1Qw== From: philip Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_F83F1300-9FCE-4B5E-ADE1-615F2A117751" Subject: WTB one or two echoplexes? Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 20:39:58 +0900 Message-Id: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 11:40:35 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_F83F1300-9FCE-4B5E-ADE1-615F2A117751 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, I accidentally posted this in another thread. I hope this starts a new = thread.=20 I've been an off and on member of the list for about six years. I have = an older Oberheim Echoplex, but it is getting tired and needs replacing. = I'm trying to find a pair of Gibson EDPs with Loop IV 198secs. There is actually a pair of Gibson EDP+s on eBay now--perfect for my = needs, but the seller won't ship to Japan--where I live.=20 Is the seller 'bostonjazzgtr' a member here or a friend of a member? Or = does someone here have one or two EDPs for sale?=20 BTW, I'm j_pressure on ebay--I have a perfect record of mostly large = overseas transactions. P --Apple-Mail=_F83F1300-9FCE-4B5E-ADE1-615F2A117751 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hi, I accidentally posted this in another thread. I hope this starts a new thread.
I've been an off and on member of the list for about six years. I have an older Oberheim Echoplex, but it is getting tired and needs replacing. I'm trying to find a pair of Gibson EDPs with Loop IV 198secs.
There is actually a pair of Gibson EDP+s on eBay now--perfect for my needs, but the seller won't ship to Japan--where I live. Is the seller 'bostonjazzgtr' a member here or a friend of a member? Or does someone here have one or two EDPs for sale?
BTW, I'm j_pressure on ebay--I have a perfect record of mostly large overseas transactions.
P

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Cool Massimo=21 = Hope it turns out a success=21

Sent from my iPhone

On = Mar 15, 2012, at 2:07 AM, Massimo Liverani <mas.liv=40libero.it> = wrote:

Florence Live Looping = Festival 2012 (Y2KX+2) pre-call:
I'd like to inform all the loopers that the FLLF 2012 will = probably be held in July in Florence. (and maybe in Spoleto?) We still = don't know exactly the dates but will probably be a weekend and the = location for Florence will be the same in the park. I'll give more details = soon...stay tuned=21

= --Apple-Mail-253C1260-57B7-4F94-AB1B-974734659D03-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 17:28:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A5A2183460; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 17:28:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: WTB one or two echoplexes? Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 12:27:56 -0500 Message-ID: <013501cd02d0$f7725210$e656f630$@michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0136_01CD02A7.0E9DD0B0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQJBvQ5eABN8ZqJk3ZTHY7v3zYtZbJWCJ0/Q x-vipre-scanned: 0220855F002D95022086AC X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 17:28:04 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0136_01CD02A7.0E9DD0B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HI Philip, I have one EDP that I'm thinking of selling. It does need a pot cleaned or replaced. I'll ship to Japan and sell you the hardcase as well. Thanks, Mike www.michaelplishka.com www.scribbledmusings.com From: philip [mailto:philip.ojc@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 6:40 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: WTB one or two echoplexes? Hi, I accidentally posted this in another thread. I hope this starts a new thread. I've been an off and on member of the list for about six years. I have an older Oberheim Echoplex, but it is getting tired and needs replacing. I'm trying to find a pair of Gibson EDPs with Loop IV 198secs. There is actually a pair of Gibson EDP+s on eBay now--perfect for my needs, but the seller won't ship to Japan--where I live. Is the seller 'bostonjazzgtr' a member here or a friend of a member? Or does someone here have one or two EDPs for sale? BTW, I'm j_pressure on ebay--I have a perfect record of mostly large overseas transactions. P ------=_NextPart_000_0136_01CD02A7.0E9DD0B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
HI Philip,
I have one EDP that I'm thinking of selling. It does need a pot = cleaned or replaced. I'll ship to Japan and sell you the hardcase = as well.
Thanks,

Mike

www.michaelplishka.com
www.scribbledmusings.com =

From:= = philip [mailto:philip.ojc@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, March = 15, 2012 6:40 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: WTB one or two = echoplexes?

Hi,

I accidentally posted this in another thread. I = hope this starts a new thread.
I've been an off and on member of = the list for about six years. I have an older Oberheim Echoplex, but it = is getting tired and needs replacing. I'm trying to find a pair of = Gibson EDPs with Loop IV 198secs.
<= pre>
There is actually a pair of Gibson EDP+s = on eBay now--perfect for my needs, but the seller won't ship to = Japan--where I live. =

Is the seller = 'bostonjazzgtr' a member here or a friend of a member? Or does someone = here have one or two EDPs for sale?
BTW, I'm j_pressure on ebay--I have = a perfect record of mostly large overseas = transactions.
<= pre>
P

------=_NextPart_000_0136_01CD02A7.0E9DD0B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 21:30:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D525183460; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 21:30:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F625F78.6060505@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 17:30:32 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5ZHSLB.A.suB.79lYPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 21:30:36 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Mark Jenkins. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "This Island Earth" on theRicochet Dream label. The Focus page is at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#mar I will also play music of artists who will be playing at the Soundscapes Concert Series in March, April, and May; Mark Jenkins, Wave World, and Broekhuis, Keller& Schonwalder. Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 15 22:51:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63A8C18345E; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 22:51:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1364 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 22:51:43 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=flyloops.com; h=Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-BWhitelist:X-Source:X-Source-Args:X-Source-Dir:X-Source-Sender:X-Source-Auth:X-Email-Count:X-Source-Cap; b=vvpnZChu8bd3+4WwpAfdLWnYGrJLmKyqzAM4m7oSVB8JkfSVdMI2R/rDGWQprGnfnr8r4oKdnx2jAjnKLbWnUWShVR6ak3IF539VQ6Ay+5n2X5We8Bnm5EwZOEpuK/SW; From: Aaron Leese Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_0A257228-6211-4F85-BF76-6A9C7B25F300" Subject: beta testers needed Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 15:27:33 -0700 In-Reply-To: <656AAC42-CF09-4D70-A22D-D89554D38691@flyloops.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <4F5933D5.8000100@soundscapes.us> <656AAC42-CF09-4D70-A22D-D89554D38691@flyloops.com> Message-Id: <5183BFC1-9A97-4665-BE50-45E170089349@flyloops.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator748.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - flyloops.com X-BWhitelist: no X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: c-71-202-126-133.hsd1.ca.comcast.net ([192.168.1.2]) [71.202.126.133]:49989 X-Source-Auth: aaronleese+flyloops.com X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: YWFyb247YWFyb247Z2F0b3I3NDguaG9zdGdhdG9yLmNvbQ== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 22:51:44 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_0A257228-6211-4F85-BF76-6A9C7B25F300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Video live looping demo using some new software http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpwLztVDm64 Looking for some beta testers for PC or Mac - http://www.livetronicastudio.com/download/ Thanks! A --Apple-Mail=_0A257228-6211-4F85-BF76-6A9C7B25F300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1

Video live looping demo using some new software
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpwLztVDm64

Looking for some beta testers for PC or Mac -
http://www.livetronicastudio.com/download/

Thanks!
A
--Apple-Mail=_0A257228-6211-4F85-BF76-6A9C7B25F300-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 17 04:13:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CE6918345D; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 04:13:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F640F4C.5010000@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 00:13:00 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen To Thought Radio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 04:13:14 +0000 (UTC) THOUGHT RADIO: http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio ======================================================================= My next stint on Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show, will be Saturday, March 17 at 6 am EDT/GMT-4. In Phase One, I will continue the special on Sequences Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. I will also play music of artists who will be playing at the Soundscapes Concert Series. In Phase Three, I'll play new music from Nick D'Virgilio's solo EP. I host the show every other week. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 17 21:13:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E5AA183452; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 21:13:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F64FE64.4030308@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 17:13:08 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #780 for March 15, 2012. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 21:13:27 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/120315.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #780 March 15, 2012. WDIY Playlist: http://wdiy.org/shows/playList.jsp?id=8507 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Mark Jenkins. The Featured CD at Midnight was "This Island Earth" on Ricochet Dream. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/focus.html#mar I also played music by artists appearing soon at the Soundscapes Concert Series; Mark Jenkins, Wave World, and Broekhuis, Keller & Schonwalder. http://soundscapes.us PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Broekhuis, Keller Blue & Red Blue (Manikin) and Schonwalder Wave World Star's End Part I Cloudseeder (VFR) Cyber Zen Sound Tomorrow and Cooperation (none) Engine Tomorrow and Tomorrow Mark Jenkins Red Bank This Island Earth (Ricochet Dream) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Mark Jenkins Metuchen T.I.E. (Ricochet Dream) Mark Jenkins Sandy Hook T.I.E. (Ricochet Dream) Mark Jenkins Flight Through the This Island Earth (Ricochet Green Ray Dream) Mark Jenkins Exeter's Challenge This Island Earth (Ricochet & Building the Dream) Interocitor Mark Jenkins At War With Zagon & This Island Earth (Ricochet Metaluna Dream) Devastated Mark Jenkins Crash Landing Earth T.I.E. (Ricochet Dream) Mark Jenkins The Graveyard of This Island Earth (Ricochet Dreams Dream) Mark Jenkins The Swords of Truth T.I.E. (Ricochet Dream) Mark Jenkins The Howling Heart This Island Earth (Ricochet of Evil Dream) Mark Jenkins The Watchmen of This Island Earth (Ricochet Heaven Dream) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Mark Jenkins. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Ghosts of Mars" on Ricochet Dream. Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST/GMT-5 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org/listen on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 17 23:21:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5861618345C; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 23:21:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F651C64.8020004@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 19:21:08 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Thought Radio Playlist for March 17, 2012. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <50r4iB.A.ySC.yxRZPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 23:21:22 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio/playlists/2012/120317.html The Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show has alternating hosts. When I am at the helm, the show is called Thought Radio and you can expect to hear electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am EDT/GMT-4 on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. http://soundscapes.us/afterglow/index.html Show #220 March 17, 2012. On this program, I played the music of Mark Jenkins, Wave World, and Broekhuis, Keller & Schonwalder. All three acts will be coming to play in the Lehigh Valley at the Soundscapes Concert Series. http://soundscapes.us Phase 0/An Early start at 5:40 am: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Klaus Schulze Stardancer II Body Love Vol. II (Revisited) Wave World Cloudseeder Cloudseeder (VFR) Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Wave World Psycho Eggs Cloudseeder (VFR) VA [Tom Habes] Untitled Sequences No. 18 VA [RPM] Hybernation Sequences No. 18 Broekhuis, Keller Red Two Red (Manikin) and Schonwalder Mark Jenkins The Graveyard of This Island Earth (Ricochet Dreams Dream) Mark Jenkins The Swords of Truth This Island Earth (Ricochet Dream) Mark Jenkins The Howling Heart This Island Earth (Ricochet of Evil Dream) Mark Jenkins The Watchmen of This Island Earth (Ricochet Heaven Dream) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Tim White and Inhale Slowly Inhale Slowly (White Gate) Joe Paulino Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Nick D'Virgilio Mary Jane Says Pieces (none) Nick D'Virgilio It Don't Come Easy Pieces (none) American Hollow Illumineye Whisper Campaign (none) In Realm Open the Flood Gates Open the Flood Gates (none) Pinnacle Phoenix Blueprint for Chaos (Everything To Excess/Fox's Den) Alan Morse Cold Fusion * Four O'clock and Hysteria (InsideOut) * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDRs that come with each issue of Sequences electronic music magazine. Bill Fox ======================================================================== Host of Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EDT/GMT-4. Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music. Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Website - http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 18 13:38:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EB2918345A; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 13:38:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: Graphic equalizer Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 14:37:58 +0100 Message-ID: <004a01cd050c$54fb3c70$fef1b550$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004B_01CD0514.B6BFA470" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-Language: de Thread-Index: Ac0FDFSzEQhKvD7NSP2pvTf+pzi1sg== Resent-Message-ID: <18eV3D.A.4kH.5UeZPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 13:38:02 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01CD0514.B6BFA470 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm probably overseeing something obvious here. I put the simple = Kjaerhus graphic equalizer in my signal path, but when I pull all = frequencies down to zero, I still hear a signal. My hardware graphic = equalizer in my home stereo does the same. This never occurred to me = before for some reason. I would have expected the signal to be quiet, = with all faders down to zero, but it isn't, so what exactly do I hear = then? =20 Anyway, I'm looking for a free simple VST equalizer that I can use e.g. = to dramatically cut all trebles - the Kjaerhus eq doesn't have the = effect that I was looking for because the original signal is still in = there. Or maybe there is some secret in here that I didn't find. =20 -Michael =20 ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01CD0514.B6BFA470 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm probably overseeing something = obvious here. I put the simple Kjaerhus = graphic equalizer in my signal path, but when I pull all frequencies = down to zero, I still hear a signal. My hardware graphic equalizer in my = home stereo does the same. This never occurred to me before for some = reason. I would have expected the signal to be quiet, with all faders = down to zero, but it isn't, so what exactly do I hear = then?

Anyway, I'm looking for a free simple = VST equalizer that I can use e.g. to dramatically cut all trebles - the = Kjaerhus eq = doesn't have the effect that I was looking for because the original = signal is still in there. Or maybe there is some secret in here that I = didn't find.=

-Michael

------=_NextPart_000_004B_01CD0514.B6BFA470-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 18 14:12:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7877918345A; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 14:12:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=LPWpEBqtbYvFH6TGFV4n7GZ/3S6rcT1BHxUzDrmwxkQ=; b=DQOMNCn75rGoes1mQsj10NAOtAp6WcitCeY8rXpReHRTBFhufyim0GOKuhW4BLVoTZ v8qDqrTMSV7eBbbay5hAE2IBzaZelv6YATc59aMsryKf+NBIJ76SQMcC665FqIDWZZYt cU4ydkNSmEnT95uyJmjKWUKMNZAXe8wBfSA8Cov3NMHXnYQDvw2oVHtnEjwIafuUR34c TjmxybJSyWnXsPfRbfBoV6l8wMZP5nGcgzHrNgpXuM6AbIvQOf+emF+wHt5vlK61Vick CNYVw29niHPbt3+uHslDpEBSxyUFhsccEQ9Cwo9tzSeo2uQV0vWGzNNz46Uv6Vt4xh+h 4pkg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <004a01cd050c$54fb3c70$fef1b550$@de> References: <004a01cd050c$54fb3c70$fef1b550$@de> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:12:48 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Graphic equalizer From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 14:12:49 +0000 (UTC) An important aspect of any EQ curve is how steep it is, how many dBs it affects. Right from the top of my head now I'm pulling common figures of 48 dB, 24 dB, 12 dB and 6 dB. Then there are also different types of curves, like for example the shelf filter that affects all frequencies above, if a high shelf or below if a low shelf, the actual set frequency. Another example is the bell type EQ that affects frequencies around the actual set level, and then you use a "q" value how wide this affected band should be. The type of EQ curve that I have found being able to fully strip off all sound are the low/high cut and low/high pass type of filters. Normally they are used at the upper and lower part of the total frequency band but if breaking the rule and use a low cut filter at the upper range it would of course cut out everything and make silence at a maximum gain/slope cut. I don't see the point in investing time in looking for a free plugin because EQ is something fundamental that you always use, an investment for life just like any instrument you want to play. So IMO investing in a commercial product will pay back to you and other serious users in the future. One very good plugin is Pro-Q that FabFilter makes: http://www.fabfilter.com/products/pro-q.php I posted a video that shows some of the benefits of Pro-Q. http://youtu.be/DoauENSblfU Not that many other plugins will let you automate dynamical equalization through out a recorded track but any studio engineer would agree to the sonic benefits of the Pro-Q's. The developer has made a bunch of great instruction videos that also are very interesting and educational: http://youtu.be/kSNYBbPAvKE Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Michael Peters wrote: > I'm probably overseeing something obvious here. I put the simple Kjaerhus > graphic equalizer in my signal path, but when I pull all frequencies down to > zero, I still hear a signal. My hardware graphic equalizer in my home stereo > does the same. This never occurred to me before for some reason. I would > have expected the signal to be quiet, with all faders down to zero, but it > isn't, so what exactly do I hear then? > > > > Anyway, I'm looking for a free simple VST equalizer that I can use e.g. to > dramatically cut all trebles - the Kjaerhus eq doesn't have the effect that > I was looking for because the original signal is still in there. Or maybe > there is some secret in here that I didn't find. > > > > -Michael > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 18 14:57:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67082183454; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 14:57:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; bh=7kv/2XAXokU/tNC3r6r5JR60gTHt52wia02jV8a4wvU=; b=XtS3dz1zZxALJkJjKMcyxqTZQsVJb86QjpeBC+Y/1BSXMi5E2KmSLzHdk7JonSVNTs xaJXmQMbKd+tIx322zwDy38Wm5pcWQBh0xamgrwDcHuZxv17vadB0pVUK+nMrP7c1Or3 1VF3lyz5CzI7FTvvymjhuiizwMlpGC8URdrxzE+jMA7nlhK2+a/WJLy/HpYqEQelY/3p z3k9PIhWARiQYaFpOtRCuuMSKb+4yArzGmuNunpahKT0cYadt6+NCFGLgeFMMyjnmG/+ 0tTCNcCu97NEpXAv4NFNWKAs+D2rWwDOmWzgBpjFvgDHBKJqf8/jJv7Hz2bcyYmRf8xh PkGQ== Message-ID: <4F65F7EA.3000801@googlemail.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:57:46 +0100 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Graphic equalizer References: <004a01cd050c$54fb3c70$fef1b550$@de> In-Reply-To: <004a01cd050c$54fb3c70$fef1b550$@de> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010402060602080108030200" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 14:57:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010402060602080108030200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An EQ pulls the frequencies it affects up or down by a finite amount - "down to zero" here being an infinite amount, which, speaking strictly theory, is not possible. Are you sure you want a graphic EQ? If your goal is to suddenly cut out (and bring back) specific parts of the spectrum (e.g. all hi frequencies), then a freqency kill switch as found on DJ mixers might be the right choice. No recommendations from me here; if I wanted one, I always used the 3-band EQ in Ableton Live (example: this track's drums at around 5:00 - http://moinlabs.bandcamp.com/track/aspirin-age). And for cutting all trebles, the other option might be a lowpass (which has no gain as a graphic EQ, rather cutoff as its parameter, which you'd turn to 22kHz or something for "no effect" and down for your intended effect). Rainer Am 18.03.2012 14:37, schrieb Michael Peters: > > I'm probably overseeing something obvious here. I put the simple > Kjaerhus graphic equalizer in my signal path, but when I pull all > frequencies down to zero, I still hear a signal. My hardware graphic > equalizer in my home stereo does the same. This never occurred to me > before for some reason. I would have expected the signal to be quiet, > with all faders down to zero, but it isn't, so what exactly do I hear > then? > > Anyway, I'm looking for a free simple VST equalizer that I can use > e.g. to dramatically cut all trebles - the Kjaerhus eq doesn't have > the effect that I was looking for because the original signal is still > in there. Or maybe there is some secret in here that I didn't find. > > -Michael > --------------010402060602080108030200 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit An EQ pulls the frequencies it affects up or down by a finite amount - "down to zero" here being an infinite amount, which, speaking strictly theory, is not possible.

Are you sure you want a graphic EQ? If your goal is to suddenly cut out (and bring back) specific parts of the spectrum (e.g. all hi frequencies), then a freqency kill switch as found on DJ mixers might be the right choice. No recommendations from me here; if I wanted one, I always used the 3-band EQ in Ableton Live (example: this track's drums at around 5:00 - http://moinlabs.bandcamp.com/track/aspirin-age).

And for cutting all trebles, the other option might be a lowpass (which has no gain as a graphic EQ, rather cutoff as its parameter, which you'd turn to 22kHz or something for "no effect" and down for your intended effect).

        Rainer

Am 18.03.2012 14:37, schrieb Michael Peters:

I'm probably overseeing something obvious here. I put the simple Kjaerhus graphic equalizer in my signal path, but when I pull all frequencies down to zero, I still hear a signal. My hardware graphic equalizer in my home stereo does the same. This never occurred to me before for some reason. I would have expected the signal to be quiet, with all faders down to zero, but it isn't, so what exactly do I hear then?

Anyway, I'm looking for a free simple VST equalizer that I can use e.g. to dramatically cut all trebles - the Kjaerhus eq doesn't have the effect that I was looking for because the original signal is still in there. Or maybe there is some secret in here that I didn't find.

-Michael

--------------010402060602080108030200-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 18 15:24:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E89218345B; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:24:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 734469265/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.177.201/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.177.201 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAHH9ZU9V0rHJ/2dsb2JhbAAMN4VHtBMBAQEDASMVQBELGAICBRYLAgIJAwIBAgFFHAGIAawsiTeBL4wrggyBFgSbQ4pNgmY X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,608,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="734469265" Message-ID: <4F65FE25.9020907@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:24:21 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Graphic equalizer References: <004a01cd050c$54fb3c70$fef1b550$@de> In-Reply-To: <004a01cd050c$54fb3c70$fef1b550$@de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:24:09 +0000 (UTC) Michael Peters wrote: > I'm probably overseeing something obvious here. I put the simple > Kjaerhus graphic equalizer in my signal path, but when I pull all > frequencies down to zero, I still hear a signal. A graphic equalizer has peaking type filters which can boost cut to a certain amount. e.g. + - 12 dB. So all faders down is something like dropping the overall volume by 12dB (or whatever) > > Anyway, I'm looking for a free simple VST equalizer that I can use e.g. > to dramatically cut all trebles - To cut all trebles you need a low pass filter rather than an EQ A free one will sound just as good as an expensive one, (unless you up resonance a lot). If the filter curve isn't sharp enough, run two instances in series. Almost every plugin uses the code from the "filter cookbook", so mostly they sound the same. What a free plugin probably won't do is mimic the slight/heavy distortion of an analog circuit and that's where you might want to invest more... but then I can't say I ever heard an emulator plugin that really sounded like analog...not saying they don't sound *good* though. Also, for dealing with high frequencies (rather than squashing them with lo-pass) a commercial plugin could have the edge you need. If you're still using Bidule, the "Biquad Filter" in "Building Blocks" will do it. or Maybe the "crossover" filter, used in a suitable config if you want to kill bands of frequency. There's also a bidule "Moog VCF" lo-pass in "Effects"... another web-common algorithm... might be good. (but no, won't sound like a Moogerfooger). Andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 18 15:32:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0C5318345B; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:32:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=oLFQt5hE0LGWnJNXxqDoAEcsGAxfP6aYWH9T7ebUQ64=; b=Jx1XnS1iDV9Vwkp5jXxpkBheJp1zBXhjlQKRZOUEwkJdskHWWbfW6dLFA8KPs46CoM WqQUZXSJv4bnO5zR/wMXWVXjScCn5gPSy4XKTvmwlnRv1fGqBXP5Towwd7RsYFtSDyzd WVjajBcd5jQ1bOzRfCsik77Tz3QA4DKyvFjZYKgQxsy5sR2AeFwa1VA6qox/VfOi/WPL i6HQ5bSzfdWuIXKyRj+wnrJ4v2sBDp8m8321VQGzeOxC1VltxCznMCW4vBEJAPqjnYFJ IrtnQ/yzgp0K9NjIjaSq7685v0pRYpuTudPJBfYlhyH8efBqFuzla4wSsSEboZnBstQp MM9Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F65FE25.9020907@tiscali.co.uk> References: <004a01cd050c$54fb3c70$fef1b550$@de> <4F65FE25.9020907@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:32:08 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Graphic equalizer From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:32:09 +0000 (UTC) I second Andy's approach. If you're using an environment which permits you to build your own EQ (like Bidule or Pure Data), it's worth the effort of designing an open system rather than relying on a VST. On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 3:24 PM, andy butler wrote= : > Michael Peters wrote: >> >> I'm probably overseeing something obvious here. I put the simple Kjaerhu= s >> graphic equalizer in my signal path, but when I pull all frequencies dow= n to >> zero, I still hear a signal. > > > A graphic equalizer has peaking type filters which can boost cut to a > certain amount. e.g. + - 12 dB. > > So all faders down is something like dropping the overall volume by 12dB > (or whatever) > > >> >> Anyway, I'm looking for a free simple VST equalizer that I can use e.g. = to >> dramatically cut all trebles - > > > To cut all trebles you need a low pass filter rather than an EQ > A free one will sound just as good as an expensive one, > (unless you up resonance a lot). > If the filter curve isn't sharp enough, run two instances in series. > > Almost every plugin uses the code from the "filter cookbook", > so mostly they sound the same. > > What a free plugin probably won't do is mimic the slight/heavy distortion > of an analog circuit and that's where you might want to invest more... > but then I can't say I ever heard an emulator plugin that really sounded > like analog...not saying they don't sound *good* though. > > Also, for dealing with high frequencies (rather than squashing them with > lo-pass) a commercial plugin could have the edge you need. > > If you're still using Bidule, the "Biquad Filter" in "Building Blocks" > will do it. =A0or Maybe the "crossover" filter, used in a suitable config= if > you want to > kill bands of frequency. > There's also a bidule "Moog VCF" lo-pass in "Effects"... another web-comm= on > algorithm... > might be good. (but no, won't sound like a Moogerfooger). > > > > Andy > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 18 15:50:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2367418345B; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:49:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <4F65F7EA.3000801@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <4F65F7EA.3000801@googlemail.com> Subject: RE: Graphic equalizer Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 16:49:56 +0100 Message-ID: <001601cd051e$c4f4aea0$4ede0be0$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01CD0527.26B916A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-Language: de Thread-Index: Ac0FF3ptaKs3lw+zRJCwI9HnYz09DgABxlnA Resent-Message-ID: <4K4ZIC.A.YBB.nQgZPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:49:59 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01CD0527.26B916A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thx Rainer and Per (I was almost expecting getting expert replies from = you both :) will look into your suggestions, great! -Michael =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01CD0527.26B916A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
thx Rainer and Per (I was = almost expecting getting expert replies from you both :)=C2=A0 will look into your = suggestions, great! =C2=A0=C2=A0-Michael<= /p>

= ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01CD0527.26B916A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 18 18:08:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EBDD183460; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 18:08:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:content-type:mime-version:subject:date:x-mailer; bh=yDWjFOGwEVNYe2i/1RaISddBypNrchjwIYX5/k++Cp4=; b=oEemDQoTx1REd+A7lxTVm8cJ7LuRCXdPzRySKWcIq+Ng30Dr51zONxJHCCqRDzbrlK S7LbEqdAeDukOoxpneXpmpIGFAQGdng/7/Hg6GapbuUTyDLezcNA71F0AgbO8U8rkuoP 2EG6Lz9/lsMm9PibnZwVVZT2jRrJ2w0uKAII87qvKRUsDi6toEEngEDh8Xb6V0n2bIxA J+OPvEAmHPg28VZ5T7VKLiptOjmjMvCmrK/Y9ygg+hRZaqzGjzmOpYvKMnMKj6CN/uYL oMARtWJLs6wDJwOrkPdNgdRsBt+5HAeVq6vnudAlB38O/9GyVtItlDDmz/SdOnIcWUsD zyDg== Message-Id: From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--547898582 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: live looper Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 11:08:23 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <6EjOY.A.ZWC.cSiZPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 18:08:28 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--547898582 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dustin Wong is coming thru town. Had not heard of him before but local paper mentioned he uses loop pedals: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL221WNit7g http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWj-we0CM4o Pretty nice. I think I spotted the RC-2 and Boss Digital Delay but not sure. regards BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j http://rpcollier.bandcamp.com/album/platz --Apple-Mail-1--547898582 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dustin Wong is coming thru = town. Had not heard of him before but local paper mentioned he uses loop = pedals:

http://www.youtube.c= om/watch?v=3DIL221WNit7g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DSWj-we0C= M4o

Pretty nice. I think I spotted the RC-2 and = Boss Digital Delay but not = sure.

regards

BobC
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To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight." Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6ddfefbf959b004bb887060 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 18:16:33 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6ddfefbf959b004bb887060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I was just doing a looping session trying to go to 30 minutes but mobius seemed to have a audio crash of some sort after 18 minutes. Out of nowhere it went from being music to sounding like arny of flanging robots and machinces. --0016e6ddfefbf959b004bb887060 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
I was just doing a looping session trying to go to 30 minutes but mobius seemed to have a audio crash of some sort after 18 minutes. Out of nowhere it went from being music to sounding like arny of flanging robots and machinces.
--0016e6ddfefbf959b004bb887060-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 18 18:36:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AEFB18345C; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 18:36:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=t4T2njH7u42sg4g+UUJwv5wEj6ORROSDCCIx15yZiTI=; b=RCUDdPe94AwTDgFBF9iQ7cQIdcLgX2OJ0nn7N+xFSVTl/4Snp14xK0oDVIEv0cC5yA mZY+8KJLFuXUSr+JdtB9MdjEXAVEorkdOQUzKK3Fx8ZKcvh71+tEV2BcFY7zcn8/uNfE LfKZXZdY3Ry4BQbvAQEGRj1kNOHNj834YIQozlbncX1nk/9czuAt54w8M6k3jXgBvffe Envnje4JEmWJjrp8Ln11/tO7oknolOlDAu7IPGg5w1gvzW1velvOF2zZnGGSGPaCOBhA lEd7We3B9ugjqy2grINRyUVs2uqNx0rdfAz/0E9WTGs+ecs+y4pyCk2fTjV/GNVCtd7s vRWA== References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9AF5E731-AD41-4E1F-8ACB-0447CB9BA26E Message-Id: Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight." X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) From: Todd Reynolds Subject: Re: Mobius Audio Crash Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 13:36:06 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 18:36:16 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-9AF5E731-AD41-4E1F-8ACB-0447CB9BA26E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Definitely post that to the m=C3=B6bius forums! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 18, 2012, at 1:16 PM, "kay'lon rushing" wrote: > I was just doing a looping session trying to go to 30 minutes but mobius s= eemed to have a audio crash of some sort after 18 minutes. Out of nowhere it= went from being music to sounding like arny of flanging robots and machince= s. --Apple-Mail-9AF5E731-AD41-4E1F-8ACB-0447CB9BA26E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Definitely post that to th= e m=C3=B6bius forums!

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 18, 20= 12, at 1:16 PM, "kay'lon rushing" <k3= zz21@gmail.com> wrote:

I was just doing a looping session trying to go to 30 minutes bu= t mobius seemed to have a audio crash of some sort after 18 minutes. Out of n= owhere it went from being music to sounding like arny of flanging robots and= machinces.

= --Apple-Mail-9AF5E731-AD41-4E1F-8ACB-0447CB9BA26E-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 16:31:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58974183464; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 16:31:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=f381phBANyzTV97vJa4+3RQJq80uTu6Hm2pTH4zIKPM=; b=hMcX6/XtZauxPIh04FkUaQm/DuxnWYnOuTQ9YBeYF53a9TEnU17DTyThytkV/n7J9D kgSjZ6oh0jtISkbtBql6Rpc5QseUxxCWPnQJmbzfo2RCmrR8ybUDAiCNWOfktw211Wn9 KySm6HA5GsXdGMyKAAZzx+TQhr6tMsIIyK5hizOBBkS+jdRFmIt+B8JO68FncgdYkYXG RmkAqdfOT2ZLZdFlW2SJ5l7HUoIP6XRAYLA1oB0+64jA0ACrnO6LWf+O2Yx48A6o6TWR E60s6iZd2qSUCcKMoOfs5RPxwWN3P4hNROnCqINUYoeW5ZkZ/Xy5Obh8o2QhUn+RIJJL sKpg== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Gigs/jams in the northern US? From: Risto Paalanen In-Reply-To: <1331684986.64096.YahooMailNeo@web180101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 12:31:48 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <2C58ABCB-2361-4FDC-A1FC-0D8A6158A37D@sea.plala.or.jp> <084BA187-A6C2-4FFF-92D0-372BDA7F0E98@gmail.com> <1331684986.64096.YahooMailNeo@web180101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 16:31:54 +0000 (UTC) Thanks gang! Mark: That list is a terrific resource, let's see if one of the places = has room on the schedule... I've also added my local haunt in Helsinki = to the list. I'm one of the people responsible for booking shows there, = so you guys have a foot in the door already, as it were. Derek: Should've known you're hanging around this list, too. :) I = ceratinly hope I can make my way to the left coast, too. After all the = excitement I had getting into the country (NOTE: Do NOT try to get in on = a one-way ticket. That's a recipe for disaster.) I'm kinda nervous about = the possible repeated hops across the border along my western route... Kyle: Iowa may be a bit off my path, but there is the possibility of a = Chicago-Minneapolis leg, and Des Moines might be a reasonable stop along = the way. Thanks for the invite! Jim: Cool! I'm currently staying at a place in Williamsburg, so Brooklyn = would be awesome. Damn but it's good to be back here. R. / Taphead On Mar 13, 2012, at 8:29 PM, Derek Doss wrote: > Are you gonna make it all the way to the West Coast, Risto? > I can at the very least guarantee a jam in the North Bay, since = putting on a show is always gonna be more problematic for obvious = reasons. >=20 > Cheers, > Derek >=20 > From: Risto Paalanen > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:28 AM > Subject: Gigs/jams in the northern US? >=20 > Hey folks! >=20 > I realize this is all delightfully last minute, but let's see what can = still be done... >=20 > Turns out I'm coming over to NYC on the 17th, and I'll be staying = there for at least two weeks. After that my plan is to start heading = west and playing wherever I can along the way. At the moment my main = problem is an utter lack of contacts in cities along the way (NYC, = Boston, Montreal, Toronto, Detroit, Chicago, Minneapolis ... and finally = Vancouver, Seattle, Bay Area?) and so I'd be immensely grateful for any = help or contacts. >=20 > As far as venues are concerned, I'm really very flexible. I can play = pretty much anywhere with even a half-decent soundsystem, so anything = from living rooms on up will do, as long as the audience has the right = mindset. Jams and collaborations would be wonderful, too, obvs. >=20 > I've been called ambient on occasion, but the output kinda varies with = the audience and venue. Improv is pretty much the only constant factor, = I guess. And looping, obviously. >=20 >=20 > Yours, > R. / Taphead > http://taphead.bandcamp.com/ >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 17:22:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62DA5183460; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 17:22:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=IPrgvRhv+gvjQPqfGzXkgksHLh+tNMSGnJjNhoZBIBs=; b=YZd5itFEIBrtNANF/YxrOa8n4DAyxk7dVxvR8oNwzCDXTymv0EHdJrqkG9TQTsHwBN BMOwjxKuCpuQlh6nkLovUf+2Qt6vHwOpQcw+yx2VyJwWEKvhJ+ENi+7avJTpNzDprHyz pSjo7E23jI5U0E7QNcL33eewU2xLwH7qS00NoLhEGPH2z3Rm7vgdvXNjUV57RJ+1c14W 69UpriOrfkZwuuTLLUvKc+gOSHs4CZyGMI29FC/oXGTRoVR2Z8K1WHSPYWxtxHrNDz51 3xGmIs2QjE31sml+k5gcVR80JYj3B7iol5T/pLDOtFjzOUn6CzYOhGZMqgEWJ3pyESvE O0Lg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <2C58ABCB-2361-4FDC-A1FC-0D8A6158A37D@sea.plala.or.jp> <084BA187-A6C2-4FFF-92D0-372BDA7F0E98@gmail.com> <1331684986.64096.YahooMailNeo@web180101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 13:22:19 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: S6aQ9wYmAda7DtrCO64YVNVpQME Message-ID: Subject: Re: Gigs/jams in the northern US? From: Tom Swirly To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b10cbcbea998c04bb9bcc03 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 17:22:20 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b10cbcbea998c04bb9bcc03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Very cool! A shame I didn't see this till today, there's an excellent jam on Sunday nights here (http://share.dj). I also live in Williamsburg... There's a cool free show tomorrow night which might well be loopy but will at least be avant... drop me a line off-list if you're going... Todd Reynolds at the Apple Store, with special guests Sxip Shirey and Adam Matta . Not since last August at Lincoln Center Out of Doors have we three been together, and such an auspicious occasion! You all know me as someone who uses Apple products exclusively when it comes to playing and writing music. It's an honor to make my first appearance at an Apple Store with two of my favorite colleagues. You can count on at least one righteous drum duel between Adam and myself, and a unique, one of a kind symphony from all three of us... The text reads: *"Bang on a Can violinist Todd Reynolds calls himself a classical violinist gone horribly wrong. Todd creates and composes music onstage using his violin and a MacBook Pro, recording and producing intricate, passionate and symphonic music with Rock n Roll soul. Join Todd as he performs music from his latest release, Outerborough, and mixes it up with beatboxer Adam Matta and instrument inventor and exploiter, Sxip Shirey." * *Tuesday, March 20th, **7:00 pm* The Apple Store at 69th street and Broadway, Manhattan no tickets or reservations required, *and it's FREE* On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Risto Paalanen wrote: > Thanks gang! > > Mark: That list is a terrific resource, let's see if one of the places has > room on the schedule... I've also added my local haunt in Helsinki to the > list. I'm one of the people responsible for booking shows there, so you > guys have a foot in the door already, as it were. > > Derek: Should've known you're hanging around this list, too. :) I > ceratinly hope I can make my way to the left coast, too. After all the > excitement I had getting into the country (NOTE: Do NOT try to get in on a > one-way ticket. That's a recipe for disaster.) I'm kinda nervous about the > possible repeated hops across the border along my western route... > > Kyle: Iowa may be a bit off my path, but there is the possibility of a > Chicago-Minneapolis leg, and Des Moines might be a reasonable stop along > the way. Thanks for the invite! > > Jim: Cool! I'm currently staying at a place in Williamsburg, so Brooklyn > would be awesome. > > > Damn but it's good to be back here. > > > R. / Taphead > > > > On Mar 13, 2012, at 8:29 PM, Derek Doss wrote: > > > Are you gonna make it all the way to the West Coast, Risto? > > I can at the very least guarantee a jam in the North Bay, since putting > on a show is always gonna be more problematic for obvious reasons. > > > > Cheers, > > Derek > > > > From: Risto Paalanen > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:28 AM > > Subject: Gigs/jams in the northern US? > > > > Hey folks! > > > > I realize this is all delightfully last minute, but let's see what can > still be done... > > > > Turns out I'm coming over to NYC on the 17th, and I'll be staying there > for at least two weeks. After that my plan is to start heading west and > playing wherever I can along the way. At the moment my main problem is an > utter lack of contacts in cities along the way (NYC, Boston, Montreal, > Toronto, Detroit, Chicago, Minneapolis ... and finally Vancouver, Seattle, > Bay Area?) and so I'd be immensely grateful for any help or contacts. > > > > As far as venues are concerned, I'm really very flexible. I can play > pretty much anywhere with even a half-decent soundsystem, so anything from > living rooms on up will do, as long as the audience has the right mindset. > Jams and collaborations would be wonderful, too, obvs. > > > > I've been called ambient on occasion, but the output kinda varies with > the audience and venue. Improv is pretty much the only constant factor, I > guess. And looping, obviously. > > > > > > Yours, > > R. / Taphead > > http://taphead.bandcamp.com/ > > > > > > -- /t http://radio.swirly.com - art music radio 24/7 366/1000 --047d7b10cbcbea998c04bb9bcc03 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very cool!

A shame I didn't see this till today, the= re's an excellent jam on Sunday nights here (http://share.dj).

I also live in Williamsbur= g...

There's a cool free show tomorrow night which might= well be loopy but will at least be avant... drop me a line off-list if you= 're going...

Todd Reynolds at the Apple Store, with special guests=C2=A0Sxip Shirey=C2= =A0and=C2=A0Adam Mat= ta.

Not since last August at Lincoln Center = Out of Doors have we three been together, and such an auspicious occasion! = You all know me as someone who uses Apple products exclusively when it come= s to playing and writing music. =C2=A0It's an honor to make my first ap= pearance at an Apple Store with two of my favorite colleagues. You can coun= t on at least one righteous drum duel between Adam and myself, and a unique= , one of a kind symphony from all three of us...=C2=A0

The text reads:
"Bang on a Can violinist Todd Reyno= lds calls himself a classical violinist gone horribly wrong. Todd creates a= nd composes music onstage using his violin and a MacBook Pro, recording and= producing intricate, passionate and symphonic music with Rock n Roll soul.= Join Todd as he performs music from his latest release, Outerborough, and = mixes it up with beatboxer Adam Matta and instrument inventor and exploiter= , Sxip Shirey." =C2=A0

Tuesday, March 20th,=C2=A07:00 pm
The Apple Store at 69th street and Broadway, Manhattan
no tickets or res= ervations required,=C2=A0and it's FREE

On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at= 12:31 PM, Risto Paalanen <risto.paalanen@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks gang!

Mark: That list is a terrific resource, let's see if one of the places = has room on the schedule... I've also added my local haunt in Helsinki = to the list. I'm one of the people responsible for booking shows there,= so you guys have a foot in the door already, as it were.

Derek: Should've known you're hanging around this list, too. :) I c= eratinly hope I can make my way to the left coast, too. After all the excit= ement I had getting into the country (NOTE: Do NOT try to get in on a one-w= ay ticket. That's a recipe for disaster.) I'm kinda nervous about t= he possible repeated hops across the border along my western route...

Kyle: Iowa may be a bit off my path, but there is the possibility of a Chic= ago-Minneapolis leg, and Des Moines might be a reasonable stop along the wa= y. Thanks for the invite!

Jim: Cool! I'm currently staying at a place in Williamsburg, so Brookly= n would be awesome.

Damn but it's good to be back here.

R. / Taphead

On Mar 13, 2012, at 8:29 PM, Derek Doss wrote:

> Are you gonna make it all the way to the West Coast, Risto?
> I can at the very least guarantee a jam in the North Bay, since puttin= g on a show is always gonna be more problematic for obvious reasons.
>
> Cheers,
> Derek
>

> From: Risto Paalanen <= ;risto.paalanen@gmail.com&g= t;
> To: Loopers-Del= ight@loopers-delight.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:28 AM
> Subject: Gigs/jams in the northern US?
>
> Hey folks!
>
> I realize this is all delightfully last minute, but let's see what= can still be done...
>
> Turns out I'm coming over to NYC on the 17th, and I'll be stay= ing there for at least two weeks. After that my plan is to start heading we= st and playing wherever I can along the way. At the moment my main problem = is an utter lack of contacts in cities along the way (NYC, Boston, Montreal= , Toronto, Detroit, Chicago, Minneapolis ... and finally Vancouver, Seattle= , Bay Area?) and so I'd be immensely grateful for any help or contacts.=
>
> As far as venues are concerned, I'm really very flexible. I can pl= ay pretty much anywhere with even a half-decent soundsystem, so anything fr= om living rooms on up will do, as long as the audience has the right mindse= t. Jams and collaborations would be wonderful, too, obvs.
>
> I've been called ambient on occasion, but the output kinda varies = with the audience and venue. Improv is pretty much the only constant factor= , I guess. And looping, obviously.
>
>
> Yours,
> R. / Taphead
> http://taph= ead.bandcamp.com/
>
>

--
= =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 /t

http://ra= dio.swirly.com - art music radio 24/7 366/1000

--047d7b10cbcbea998c04bb9bcc03-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 17:43:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3962B18345D; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 17:43:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Y4hCq986uCW9clCWMDkNQvDGd1fv6UjE8/sjQ3YmkJs=; b=dLK5bblnnK6ewdeLBE/aGU5jUZWbKtFkIvb5cdWRThA/IXuAbJzO6fosnSAJhkTarX xTM/FxNCCTPbtiBr1Iz6kXMFh2LD5kyrGFimLX8e+69ogwuyFQfGsZMlcZpfQbBLRYMr YlsnQ12Wqjd0ZGzg7de6kpIj0y2xC4rm1EiEwKaV56TqUFOweWY5uTQjvt5qWe5kQz8s ZuEk9DqQQvSy5fGXqZqUqOtoqxObW4Kde8QqHWT+GiDo2ZZ6drhXLDaWfNHFB+BcsBPY UEQ1/SlazD+Ym4ewf7Zn5nkwZxYwF2+mtVsDHbi2gE6TJSTF8NfsslJ11N5I8MTt1H3M +fKQ== References: <2C58ABCB-2361-4FDC-A1FC-0D8A6158A37D@sea.plala.or.jp> <084BA187-A6C2-4FFF-92D0-372BDA7F0E98@gmail.com> <1331684986.64096.YahooMailNeo@web180101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:43:30 +0100 Message-ID: <-474172069153324744@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: Gigs/jams in the northern US? To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 17:43:34 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Risto! Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 19 Mar 2012, at 17:31, Risto Paalanen wrote: > Mark: That list is a terrific resource, let's see if one of the places ha= s room on the schedule... I've also added my local haunt in Helsinki to the= list. I'm one of the people responsible for booking shows there, so you gu= ys have a foot in the door already, as it were. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 17:58:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1D81183462; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 17:58:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3x09@carlsonarts.com> X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 128455.19983.bm@omp1025.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1332179931; bh=e6JKQuLA6NSrX+5sSMHSOmb/jJIAstaAmLdeJWcxUCs=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer; b=is4ORaYhMvqqR4BNOG/35hGeAf6JccUYJnOqDKNy1GEEg0U1ZduHUgpzuAmFHwtE57PUr5lCBEjdDdI0LrSTCMeWwA/GeBxtxZiqp9bJtBqJHTO5J/oOfatfoyPMkiviesnH4snOaQjJXMVicafWslg8uFghS6VR/nbOVNLim40= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 2PhvFs0VM1nTAQWxXy2CmriinshJVd1XIVv9BvJAIcTEdzq OH335Wj3hzCjmDxZk3.338Wa76ZAw.TTHIg.u60AMgcgPW0QPPik09Ont4u0 JylHe8JuO3twRoVnOljMqadqbU7zmmzrp81jxxKxaWYDZ9hn370aFEOM1b8O qSRi_p9DSJ0V2R0rSPOObCkQwjs5m627_nSy1ZJEf.wc0AeoW12H0_swZK7U A7FI9DZKMh4u8SLVbgB7NTtDRk16YB2Ug_43hz4Pv3X_v9iLJobefQqe70cS NWocUEIoV7unb0Rh_bGYPCxCic1t2RBtnV6GyNxSWooouN1ZQWW_pdsJEotN _ZUWh0YjiyVlC1qWT86YWQD18D1UM5pHYZpUz.d9ikxayySfV4gU46vPALcI iyjNbXWUmcmPC7_LmZIKeJ3RuluVZe0b4n3o.CqWkL4OBkEZ0nAE- X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F From: TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-15--462071227 Subject: Re: Mobius Audio Crash Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 10:58:50 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 17:58:53 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-15--462071227 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Awesome! How do I get that crazy robot army sound? Michael (3x09) On Mar 18, 2012, at 11:16 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > I was just doing a looping session trying to go to 30 minutes but = mobius seemed to have a audio crash of some sort after 18 minutes. Out = of nowhere it went from being music to sounding like arny of flanging = robots and machinces. >=20 --Apple-Mail-15--462071227 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Awesome! How do I get that crazy robot army sound?

Michael (3x09)
On Mar 18, 2012, at 11:16 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote:

I was just doing a looping session trying to go to 30 minutes but mobius seemed to have a audio crash of some sort after 18 minutes. Out of nowhere it went from being music to sounding like arny of flanging robots and machinces.

--Apple-Mail-15--462071227-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 18:18:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D809183463; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:18:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=R+i/Dz7KfdkzFZm2eFvTnLSo2waCXStAxjIzkFDMbxU=; b=i5W3SXjyb0BHoAYefYRHBwkRRDVi0icMVcuBgD9o0XDICNG3BVlsTUx3FBxAHmSBke s47wIVoxwVoZwB2jgN0yhG/hxy0w31X24NwfDoZFPBdZsVBmqWIsSY4tdx56p+U+gDKd 7AmCv4xX5G34vzYf4/45K2RZ4hoOU8Uwaomqa5ZpdxPuPaH28u6TlrVFW741ozueySGw 6Ra6bB1QTNJ/Ihjl9VLojQ4Z8tcOfBeXDan9v8WsLHsICn5yguPwqz3cI/OOkPymUVJf 34fiWCXiA8ifffWKd29UwZCAJfy4dpSqRr5fv++G/uOsErOFq3fl0VPnypFRuU/85ACT THUg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 11:18:02 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius Audio Crash From: "kay'lon rushing" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6ddfefb33816404bb9c94b2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:18:04 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6ddfefb33816404bb9c94b2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Lol i have it recorded if you'd like On Mar 19, 2012 10:58 AM, "TripleOhNine" <3x09@carlsonarts.com> wrote: > Awesome! How do I get that crazy robot army sound? > > Michael (3x09) > On Mar 18, 2012, at 11:16 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: > > I was just doing a looping session trying to go to 30 minutes but mobius > seemed to have a audio crash of some sort after 18 minutes. Out of nowhere > it went from being music to sounding like arny of flanging robots and > machinces. > > > --0016e6ddfefb33816404bb9c94b2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lol i have it recorded if you'd like

On Mar 19, 2012 10:58 AM, "TripleOhNine&quo= t; <3x09@carlsonarts.com>= wrote:

Awesome! =A0How do I get that crazy rob= ot army sound?

Michael (3x09)
On Mar 18, 20= 12, at 11:16 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote:

I was just doing a looping session trying to go to 30 minutes but mobius= seemed to have a audio crash of some sort after 18 minutes. Out of nowhere= it went from being music to sounding like arny of flanging robots and mach= inces.

--0016e6ddfefb33816404bb9c94b2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 20:45:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92BB5183452; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 20:45:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=r/CWSQM5pctM9pb2EBcdt+FgPPN5lp6Bz3JtRTpN9Nw=; b=OeKKMJVCt9HMRTMSpYywzSsKQPwT56csQZeS5ASfwoUqgrHIrRXdfIX5uae14Zpfj8 4b+SSxor40CI+aaPRmXqrb1FFuD8dmxm3aoCw9+Q/fsPa7LUNOzbCO4HCy45VJNkRdel WtvytDlL8axXuo7ImLiAE7yTx6dKT+FS8GPlJ3R4ZtDPQWxKn+QguZLs5pfTog+KPMEU EghT31zoJQ08ZO2/LvYCaKzeJvEibPMhB2cGuiDTZY3h5pJ+5QFdO+MZApz6mBjGUUEB US5hgZciH9EO4ZyTKYO2vdZXzQkrOpT5evZ1INvf/WP8gt1fgJl7umVx3XBx2ao2BL/v y3/w== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <-474172069153324744@unknownmsgid> References: <2C58ABCB-2361-4FDC-A1FC-0D8A6158A37D@sea.plala.or.jp> <084BA187-A6C2-4FFF-92D0-372BDA7F0E98@gmail.com> <1331684986.64096.YahooMailNeo@web180101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <-474172069153324744@unknownmsgid> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 22:45:00 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Gigs/jams in the northern US? From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c17c0ca87ee04bb9ea1d5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 20:45:02 +0000 (UTC) --0015174c17c0ca87ee04bb9ea1d5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Glad to see another Finn on the list! Have a nice trip Risto! -Petri- 2012/3/19 mark francombe > Thanks Risto! > > Sent from my (advertisement removed) > > On 19 Mar 2012, at 17:31, Risto Paalanen wrote: > > > Mark: That list is a terrific resource, let's see if one of the places > has room on the schedule... I've also added my local haunt in Helsinki to > the list. I'm one of the people responsible for booking shows there, so you > guys have a foot in the door already, as it were. > > -- Petri --0015174c17c0ca87ee04bb9ea1d5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Glad to see another Finn on the list! Have a nice trip Risto!

-Petri= -

2012/3/19 mark francombe <markfrancombe@gmail.com<= /a>>

Thanks Risto!

Sent from my (advertisement removed)

On 19 Mar 2012, at 17:31, Risto Paalanen <risto.paalanen@gmail.com> wrote:

> Mark: That list is a terrific resource, let's see if one of the pl= aces has room on the schedule... I've also added my local haunt in Hels= inki to the list. I'm one of the people responsible for booking shows t= here, so you guys have a foot in the door already, as it were.

--
Petri
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--0015174c17c0ca87ee04bb9ea1d5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 20:45:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0747183463; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 20:45:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ydJP3/DKhJb5THIlWXoleFYx2/rOdZjTy6KB/R49MuE=; b=eYS6bDaGnCew4ztOwuEUQoMAx72I+eC9WokKD4kmE+D5fFWXIJ2c+qUOY7BPI4PMsb 5UXjQQPLAqYUoH+lMpmdCKYxozmm7euszk0F1mtFdjViHkM5JwJSa7UV3vtA3/hyDFh7 P9hxoBj/L9jYOZYlZsAipEcDBgKpuXB4xPozI8dZgDl1rYo/Mcr1nr53plajs3RoR/xt Oeep9LNEiBiVKJcFaxA8EKasiuPRKAGtExzxmnG+L9H+SEWF10PA9+qWxLBpxTGoshsS WNJh6RlScvivtZ+kTw3ZlOPQ5H3vo0p1UBl+7NdJpFgW97hZWbMh3J8T2HXIHVjdjbsE z1Sw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 22:45:39 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius Audio Crash From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec521580b1ee71b04bb9ea4d1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 20:45:40 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec521580b1ee71b04bb9ea4d1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 as they say, mp3 or it didnt happen ! :-) 2012/3/19 kay'lon rushing > Lol i have it recorded if you'd like > On Mar 19, 2012 10:58 AM, "TripleOhNine" <3x09@carlsonarts.com> wrote: > >> Awesome! How do I get that crazy robot army sound? >> >> Michael (3x09) >> On Mar 18, 2012, at 11:16 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote: >> >> I was just doing a looping session trying to go to 30 minutes but mobius >> seemed to have a audio crash of some sort after 18 minutes. Out of nowhere >> it went from being music to sounding like arny of flanging robots and >> machinces. >> >> >> -- Petri --bcaec521580b1ee71b04bb9ea4d1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable as they say, mp3 or it didnt happen !=A0 :-)

2012/3/19 kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com>

Lol i have it recorded if you'd like

On Mar 19, 2012 10:58 AM, "TripleOhNine&quo= t; <3x09@carls= onarts.com> wrote:

Awesome! =A0How do I get that crazy rob= ot army sound?

Michael (3x09)
On Mar 18, 20= 12, at 11:16 AM, kay'lon rushing wrote:

I was just doing a looping session trying to go to 30 minutes but mobius= seemed to have a audio crash of some sort after 18 minutes. Out of nowhere= it went from being music to sounding like arny of flanging robots and mach= inces.

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--bcaec521580b1ee71b04bb9ea4d1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 20:50:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABAC418345D; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 20:50:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=SNSSvhGA6Hc+IU2KnQB6n57kFC/CRBnMiiHDJYfOiGE=; b=m4Ux3O+V2UEAg+5iHInmg1CvkIbAC0h+P/+ogz01eBWEnVQyG00LdqIIV8jqB1IxdT CBMvJjZi5EUJznV7cHxA1G3A/MCkiYOF+hIYdCbKwAp2Y5cHFfFeAUhhB89O05eLWS/d 8hbyDJCaxJsHD/q2F4BZrYUqDuARbuWP2qM1r1VtzLXaVahbgAmtHWqn7VhlUzmHrCF9 3X0OzkjAR9MAiPVZi9yLOSsvLHbol0sE9nBx7fCNCHDN0N5AqnEZvCD/yGJMxQyrNOHW jH9hfC4+mNlt01YcgRxC4RMbY9hakxHCbVnqN6hvI3mvEG3tLisJ+B4OKC4kq1ASEAbk 5LLg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <2C58ABCB-2361-4FDC-A1FC-0D8A6158A37D@sea.plala.or.jp> <084BA187-A6C2-4FFF-92D0-372BDA7F0E98@gmail.com> <1331684986.64096.YahooMailNeo@web180101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <-474172069153324744@unknownmsgid> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 13:50:18 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Gigs/jams in the northern US? From: Lindsey Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b33dbdcc5f3d104bb9eb401 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 20:50:20 +0000 (UTC) --047d7b33dbdcc5f3d104bb9eb401 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This may sound odd to ya'll seasoned folks but I sort of don't know how to plan a gig but if you find yourself in the Bay Area I would be interested in performing or exchanging ideas! Lindsey On Mar 19, 2012 1:45 PM, "Petri Lahtinen" wrote: > Glad to see another Finn on the list! Have a nice trip Risto! > > -Petri- > > 2012/3/19 mark francombe > >> Thanks Risto! >> >> Sent from my (advertisement removed) >> >> On 19 Mar 2012, at 17:31, Risto Paalanen >> wrote: >> >> > Mark: That list is a terrific resource, let's see if one of the places >> has room on the schedule... I've also added my local haunt in Helsinki to >> the list. I'm one of the people responsible for booking shows there, so you >> guys have a foot in the door already, as it were. >> >> > > > -- > Petri > > > --047d7b33dbdcc5f3d104bb9eb401 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This may sound odd to ya'll seasoned folks but I sort of don't k= now how to plan a gig but if you find yourself in the Bay Area I would be i= nterested in performing or exchanging ideas!

Lindsey

On Mar 19, 2012 1:45 PM, "Petri Lahtinen&qu= ot; <kollegavalmentaja@gm= ail.com> wrote:
Glad to see another Finn on the list! Have a nice trip Risto!

-Petri= -

2012/3/19 mark francombe <markfr= ancombe@gmail.com>

Thanks Risto!

Sent from my (advertisement removed)

On 19 Mar 2012, at 17:31, Risto Paalanen <risto.paalanen@gmail.com> wrote:

> Mark: That list is a terrific resource, let's see if one of the pl= aces has room on the schedule... I've also added my local haunt in Hels= inki to the list. I'm one of the people responsible for booking shows t= here, so you guys have a foot in the door already, as it were.

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--047d7b33dbdcc5f3d104bb9eb401-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 21:16:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE89F18345C; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 21:16:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 21:16:05 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kevinkissinger.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=auc8u74Y/LT1wN9D3UvhBPzbpBWbjkhlcWZLow7cgSo=; b=TvK/uCct2qLWFYUm0/+6VaoLEkjgGVkk90YT5PGvtMjKcK7dx28krL3c9qcgN6zHMBljgko6n+TjaK7DTd6mmsdHNZdzgq6RMRmR7CDDw8QsFe3qIFnc+sQsX5/IlhkW; Message-ID: <20120319160924.72356oyy08xq3ypw@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 16:09:24 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: LoopersDelight Subject: Looping with the LP1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.9) X-Identified-User: {3864:box516.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:smtp auth 127.0.0.1 authed with kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com} Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 21:16:05 +0000 (UTC) Hello to all! Last Saturday I participated in a Spring Equinox live streaming event on electro-music.com. You can download the MP3 here: http://electro-music.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52293&start=47 My set utilizes the LP1 throughout -- both as a looper and as a super-stable clock source. I played on my DIY modular synthesizer and I use the synthesizer's hardware to convert MIDI clock to analog triggers. This set expresses some of my current musical interests. The first is to build relatively long loops (loops > 15 seconds) that begin minimally -- with bloops and bleeps at at first appear to be random. However, the events are attached to specific beats that divde the long loop. As more events are added, a rhythmic "groove" emerges. Another interest of mine is the use of non-traditional temperament. The second half of the track utilizes 14-tet tuning. My direction with the synthesizer is to create an instrument that is a real-time compositional device with strong human interaction. As such, I really try to blur the line between the machine's functionality and my own "human interaction" with it. For any fellow synth-geeks here, I utilized a couple of classic filter clones, too. The noise is filtered through a Steiner (Synthacon) Filter Clone and, during the second half, I utilize a EMS diode-ladder filter clone. Also in the second half, I utilize the Klee Sequencer. Until I discovered the Loopers-delight community, my music was by-in-large composed and accomplished with multi-track recording. I started to experiment with live-looping around 2007 and it began as a kind of adjunct to my music work. Since then, I've discovered that live-looping has taken me on an entirely different path different than what envisioned prior to 2007. The LP1 has proven a nice instrument for me in no small part due to its excellent audio quality and its iron precision. I've really only scratched the surface of the LP1, though I've owned it for many years. All the best to one and all! -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 21:48:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2B7118345D; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 21:48:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F67A98E.8090608@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:47:58 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Petri Lahtinen CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Gigs/jams in the northern US? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-3XFUD.A.b-.Xm6ZPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 21:48:07 +0000 (UTC) He's not currently active, but Miro Mantere (aka MIRO) from Poorvo (sp?) just outside of Helsinki. was the first looper to represent Finland at the Y2K International Live Looping Festival. Also, Miro booked the first international live looping gigs in Finland with Per Boysen (Sweden), myself and a few Finns on the bill back in 2008. He's a wonderful multi-instrumentalist who makes many of his own instruments. check him out if you don't know him. He was the standout at the first Looping Festival he came to.........had a fantastic set! Rick Walker ps hint, hint, we'd love it if you and/or Risto would represent Finland in this years 12th anniversary festival in October (16th-23rd, Santa Cruz, San Jose, San Francisco) On 3/19/12 1:45 PM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > Glad to see another Finn on the list! Have a nice trip Risto! > > -Petri- > > 2012/3/19 mark francombe > > > Thanks Risto! > > Sent from my (advertisement removed) > > On 19 Mar 2012, at 17:31, Risto Paalanen > wrote: > > > Mark: That list is a terrific resource, let's see if one of the > places has room on the schedule... I've also added my local haunt > in Helsinki to the list. I'm one of the people responsible for > booking shows there, so you guys have a foot in the door already, > as it were. > > > > > -- > Petri > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 22:00:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D1CD18345C; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 22:00:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_d19b30f8-dc03-40dc-a2aa-8c9e5412f1d6_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Looping with the LP1 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 22:00:43 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20120319160924.72356oyy08xq3ypw@mail.kevinkissinger.com> References: <20120319160924.72356oyy08xq3ypw@mail.kevinkissinger.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2012 22:00:43.0664 (UTC) FILETIME=[BB1B8900:01CD061B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 22:00:45 +0000 (UTC) --_d19b30f8-dc03-40dc-a2aa-8c9e5412f1d6_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cool and great sounding stuff.. very interesting melodies.=20 Btw - how do you achieve a 14tet synth? I would love to break out of the 12= tet limitations..Any more info on you modular? A great listen.. thanks=2C Anders > Date: Mon=2C 19 Mar 2012 16:09:24 -0500 > From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Looping with the LP1 >=20 > Hello to all! >=20 > Last Saturday I participated in a Spring Equinox live streaming event =20 > on electro-music.com. You can download the MP3 here: >=20 > http://electro-music.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3D52293&start=3D47 >=20 >=20 > My set utilizes the LP1 throughout -- both as a looper and as a =20 > super-stable clock source. >=20 >=20 > I played on my DIY modular synthesizer and I use the synthesizer's =20 > hardware to convert MIDI clock to analog triggers. >=20 > This set expresses some of my current musical interests. >=20 > The first is to build relatively long loops (loops > 15 seconds) that =20 > begin minimally -- with bloops and bleeps at at first appear to be =20 > random. However=2C the events are attached to specific beats that divde = =20 > the long loop. As more events are added=2C a rhythmic "groove" emerges. >=20 > Another interest of mine is the use of non-traditional temperament. =20 > The second half of the track utilizes 14-tet tuning. >=20 > My direction with the synthesizer is to create an instrument that is a =20 > real-time compositional device with strong human interaction. As =20 > such=2C I really try to blur the line between the machine's =20 > functionality and my own "human interaction" with it. >=20 > For any fellow synth-geeks here=2C I utilized a couple of classic filter = =20 > clones=2C too. The noise is filtered through a Steiner (Synthacon) =20 > Filter Clone and=2C during the second half=2C I utilize a EMS diode-ladde= r =20 > filter clone. Also in the second half=2C I utilize the Klee Sequencer. >=20 > Until I discovered the Loopers-delight community=2C my music was =20 > by-in-large composed and accomplished with multi-track recording. >=20 > I started to experiment with live-looping around 2007 and it began as =20 > a kind of adjunct to my music work. Since then=2C I've discovered that = =20 > live-looping has taken me on an entirely different path different than =20 > what envisioned prior to 2007. >=20 > The LP1 has proven a nice instrument for me in no small part due to =20 > its excellent audio quality and its iron precision. I've really only =20 > scratched the surface of the LP1=2C though I've owned it for many years. >=20 > All the best to one and all! >=20 > -- Kevin >=20 = --_d19b30f8-dc03-40dc-a2aa-8c9e5412f1d6_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Cool and great sounding stuff.. very =3Binteresting =3Bmelodies.&nb= sp=3B

Btw - how do you =3Bachieve =3Ba 14tet syn= th? I would love to break out of the 12tet limitations..
Any =3Bmo= re info on you modular?

A great listen.. thanks=2C=

Anders

>= =3B Date: Mon=2C 19 Mar 2012 16:09:24 -0500
>=3B From: kkissinger@kevi= nkissinger.com
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B = Subject: Looping with the LP1
>=3B
>=3B Hello to all!
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>=3B Last Saturday I participated in a Spring Equinox live streaming = event
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>=3B Until I dis= covered the Loopers-delight community=2C my music was
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= --_d19b30f8-dc03-40dc-a2aa-8c9e5412f1d6_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 19 22:26:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF25318345B; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 22:26:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 22:26:33 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kevinkissinger.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=NKUWSXPu+ky+pdMQRkBF/C7DnQaX/3x7UwN27k5bW5Y=; b=yBaxTuhutxxkYBontQI+R2rPU+ZKel9mMLptkUQZi7svdSG0vFBipyQCGVaX/FzEv8lAhCl6A4BWGWgNqm6GxEFy4skz0FnOctolG4ZjGBR02NjHX+Ple+raLqTi5Yez; Message-ID: <20120319171952.21416f8n0grl153c@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 17:19:52 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looping with the LP1 References: <20120319160924.72356oyy08xq3ypw@mail.kevinkissinger.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.9) X-Identified-User: {3864:box516.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:smtp auth 127.0.0.1 authed with kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com} Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 22:26:33 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Anders Bergdahl : > > Cool and great sounding stuff.. very interesting melodies. > Btw - how do you achieve a 14tet synth? I would love to break out of > the 12tet limitations..Any more info on you modular? > A great listen.. thanks, > Anders > Thank you, Anders. This link has a picture of my synth: http://kevinkissinger.com/ariesinfo.shtml To do 14-TET, I set up the following control voltage path: (Keyboard CV + Sequencer CV) --> Voltage Quantizer --> Attenuator --> VCO(s) I set the attenuator such that to play a 9th on the keyboard (i.e., Middle C to the D in the next octave) produces an octave shift from the VCO. Another way to put is that I change the 1/12 volt steps to 1/14 volt. This is easy to do on an analog synthesizer. On some digital synthesizers, one can control the "Cents per step" to change the "Cents per step" to 85 (1200/14) to enable 14-tet. Of course, you have to remember that an interval of a 9th on produces an octave change in pitch. Thanks again for listening! Glad you enjoyed it. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 20 00:01:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A55918345C; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 00:01:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=1uNhtg8Q94LI/8n/47MesixZwGm1KoTVYfpB+9DuEE4=; b=Q2xMF0aDVk2iMyeNe1/ZKNhxqWQ/K7Nb4AsJgAw1JbvhDxaUzVPIvyw7t/9P1isiSh eBWp8ErI2vONBK3DnPpyuodCS/spVNGWFoumwP86obxFIVTgTXgTwlRQu/xB0X3X6Eos 5XLDcOS0pc9EhQf2hJzu6qg3IDSrebE0WHGcpx1UZIf8NYcq8hZocGo8MHMPzxO/K/Ua zKaxz+D+C6xaB4J3FW47eFafy2HAkfzSGV0dyqbEDlLQnr66DjRzAHSy7d9ypAiZtLMK zT1xBs/uaBvPmWd1mdkT7nacEFKLZQb+v7Ab5GwbwFihXSx3qw1CaqqYwB2PI6VSsbxJ rXqA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 17:01:53 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Tiny Owl Dinner Radio From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 00:01:54 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, In 2 hours, my band Tiny Owl will be performing a live streaming show tonight, starting at 7:00pm PDT (gmt minus 7 hours). 7pm - 8pm: Live music 8pm - 9pm: Recordings of previous live sets 9pm - 10pm: Move live music You can hear us at www.zoka.com/tinyowl This is in preparation for our May 17th performance at the Luggage Store Gallery in San Francisco, with Kadet Kuhne and Dapplegrey Tiny Owl is a San Francisco Bay Area quartet that improvises unique combinations of krautrock, space music, industrial, and experimental music. http://tinyowl.bandcamp.com/ Suki O'Kane - drums Sebastian Krawczuk - double bass Matt Davignon - drum machine & synth Lance Grabmiller - computer & synth -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 21 18:48:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49B05183465; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 18:48:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 741844339/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.31.133/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.31.133 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnoDAEgiak9YbR+F/2dsb2JhbAANN7VxAQMBA4QhAQEEOEARLBYPCQMCAQIBLxYcAYgRt3SLF4JIgyIEmzqKTIJn X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,625,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="741844339" Message-ID: <4F6A227A.8000308@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 18:48:26 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New Looper References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 18:48:24 +0000 (UTC) Vox are bringing out what looks like a cut down version of their VDL-1 http://www.voxamps.com/uk/pedals/lillooper/ Two parallel loops each with a single dedicated footswitch and Undo/Redo. 1/4in jack for instrument or mic. No midi No feedback control Socket for external footswitch. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 21 19:23:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A7855183464; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:23:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1332357788; bh=qiZ7//mJhBXfr9swnVnZ9tZd+UKBRqKABck9CehYWz4=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Date:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer; b=jgaAR/j2mrHnYDKWy7LjVZ/Pr/RghohjAoaeEeh4M9ZZPE8y1Giv4VMw80LA6l2T4CMxqlihnPp2MprJdRCmtnuFq38W5r2szZGpiDC84frp5kHF6CbvzpQswiHfLRPKrcN3bHrd4HVIF5HD7u6lBhzrzx68ErpHeDldNcCLf0Q= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 5866.166.bm@smtp148.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: fWTXIRAVM1lFhhatWpXo9H8.Jtuc1rg6XNbK5OARyfp8Pno 03qVNbJsiuTDwvSaBsV2tglCt9WRfdn1mNXX4DuzVO2PlkOVwLwGWBX4s6p4 UjKy2vYWV68vqYJPC0A_DDa.AwX1fanY32nRtYX7kqqr3v7fVsctGYl_SdHG PuYYBCS94sBoDxGwmMWMbc0lWz8sk1iVbQS2hawDHgTh4mM5tGHpxZAFcK5E JLkpQ6ZE5.ljLPf3YH1Kt4oD.YKmwTIbuNo9H8ikdltOtKTT1N7QOvu4AWtv nBtf918TxyYFDsvNqxpty_t1O6yiA5uVzOzU6fLoBuDZ8uEzhFZEHGtwTzY8 oecjq4NrGHP8skWN2ylhA4nMZHXVEVqRPFIesC1lw2StzCSWBaUsAdBkmlSx 1t5ed6q4I3lQfheNLEcKDPt_A1oMrNDqiBWrd9DLLQlLUZvL.v_TsG8V4GrU KLM8.FLh6Tshl20LaVAFT9z.mZAkT2mFBpuK6FTBjkGRW8St0PjxfVJJWz1c vEQfqhp5.ULhklsZrEjR6fAEyZJeKylF4wB6tCm6zOamFyvTrCqWs8fbuESt tnmgVjcR57oA- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 75CdczOswBChen.W3AbLhaW8TlC96TVo5w-- From: Ben To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 20:23:07 +0100 Subject: Re: New Looper In-Reply-To: <4F6A227A.8000308@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4F6A227A.8000308@tiscali.co.uk> Message-Id: <20120321202307.476370D8.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: nPOPuk Ver 2.16 Resent-Message-ID: <8C8md.A.Ue.dqiaPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:23:09 +0000 (UTC) There's something from Roland too. The VE-5 Vocal Performer is a compact and mobile personal effects processor and looper for vocalists: http://www.rolandconnect.com/product.php?p=ve-5 regards, Ben -------------------------------------------------- andy butler wrote: (21/03/2012 19:48) > Vox are bringing out what looks like a cut down > version of their VDL-1 > > http://www.voxamps.com/uk/pedals/lillooper/ > > Two parallel loops each with a single dedicated footswitch > and Undo/Redo. > > 1/4in jack for instrument or mic. > > No midi > > No feedback control > > Socket for external footswitch. > > andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 21 20:26:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC6BC183466; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 20:26:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: James Collin Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 15:26:05 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: VIDEO: Kimbra, and her live vocal looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff2564230dd7604bbc69c52 X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:NgE2jgTLVjxi5q62qCo6hGcdSuGJqxuVUtDGwM28biD poHImaLBqcRiJ3hFtmJjCDhNfv6b4ONyJN29mPFIha3XgspqrH aF1+8f7BNRYXK6IktfQvMLWlUcb/nuNjxPgOL53k0YGw3DsPlt gIIBKlQkaaX7oRRfvj8NzuL+IWO4oH34iwaiFcCtivUru/NWzL uPljR4VmZxyDiLg83pRxNunYigEemKUUseK+5zuWwHBFZAl4p/ cOdR7rj0S07jFCgi+pKo/ZwNsARO3DXzF9r53FufAu3+ur08Qy FoW64bZm8BiWLhhGqWt4aPJfbsYPL9C5LodDJzm7TXhxv3mbg2 ZQLEMn0NMcSixWDglfbwDqRfVg+A9EwlUnsw5suB8ZaShUE6nX JzP1SvIi1xiohFaLXewacM5dzsJulR06HsSRJdGncjNvmeolhB IWsgO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 20:26:48 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8ff2564230dd7604bbc69c52 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 A friend just sent me this video. It's pretty awesome - Kimbra performing live at SXSW last Friday. She's a singer songwriter from New Zealand. I can't tell what setup she's using, but it's entirely vocal loops. Any ideas? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd7GLvMYSHI More at http://www.kimbramusic.com/ - J --e89a8ff2564230dd7604bbc69c52 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A friend just sent me this video. It's pretty awesome - Kimbra performi= ng live at SXSW last Friday. She's a singer songwriter from New Zealand= .=A0

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--e89a8ff2564230dd7604bbc69c52-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 21 21:03:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0824183465; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 21:03:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <4F6A227A.8000308@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Looper In-Reply-To: <4F6A227A.8000308@tiscali.co.uk> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: michael klobuchar X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CED5BD3BC8BCAE_1004_44CA_webmail-stg-d13.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 35810-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CED5BD3BBCD5C4-1004-112C@webmail-stg-d13.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [68.162.140.31] Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 17:03:43 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1332363823; bh=qelTtKzlejSFHKLCEXVFrGlwMvfFV4NKZ3SkB2fqiYg=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AgGlclv/3D4etBfAKuHYrOtedNQeUzp+F78xETvBaYzHhOaMY86aws9X07EtYOC37 mRYpZKCCvIKaJofVExrMHpgexLqZZ80gLgJ+7SjIFswIbX24LHnlcoJNlkCR4BKHKk 4HtAd2+lFsZnDSxkWQmnwtL9eMsxrDR10OET3sn4= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:262401872:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294d4f6a422f05ef Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 21:03:56 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CED5BD3BC8BCAE_1004_44CA_webmail-stg-d13.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" No feedback control kiss of death! Vox are bringing out what looks like a cut down=20 version of their VDL-1 http://www.voxamps.com/uk/pedals/lillooper/ =20 ----------MB_8CED5BD3BC8BCAE_1004_44CA_webmail-stg-d13.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"

No feedback control
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----------MB_8CED5BD3BC8BCAE_1004_44CA_webmail-stg-d13.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 21 22:17:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7084F183462; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 22:17:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XS1hCXAY+bJhaNjUG3sAvkrHfXnZZGJIwB5t95eFsJw=; b=sxOrimjs9XhaNUEdK+pcS0MVs/wSCmrJSbLRySa+NEbrYDA902SNT2WrQ4Xj83zedn ZilGcbsZ8jHunnzKjMn5nmekXwuxGc3DOxBvpMQka74GQUkijvRHSxzV5V5uw2j384gs g/BQyX0Hs/JiGaorJK+P09BU9OH+biBJBB2+neNdv3l1dK7iJPamrADb4O7IwyDPPhWE Qpe2K18oQQSm7/WQPMFeMmfC7lEi8z+SPo8QD+QRXN6aLuFdImqYP08RSo2m1HEJmlN3 gv3/6RLtCJcjA7VaZG7f7voA6SjamWoLevqcM3INA2xw4w4GHxkrmMnQDqTlBSL06Xd6 /TJw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 23:17:00 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: VIDEO: Kimbra, and her live vocal looping From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 22:17:01 +0000 (UTC) Yes, indeed very good! :-) She even makes the dangerous PA leakage sound good in the loops she's catching. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 9:26 PM, James Collin wrote= : > A friend just sent me this video. It's pretty awesome - Kimbra performing > live at SXSW last Friday. She's a singer songwriter from New Zealand. > > I can't tell what setup she's using, but it's entirely vocal loops. Any > ideas? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dsd7GLvMYSHI > > More at=C2=A0http://www.kimbramusic.com/ > > - J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 21 23:45:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD379183464; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 23:45:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=EvTS3oaYXIQ36FLH8cjDlkwYx8lfAiDWfhetpbN+RD4=; b=fp1PIthxScd62P8uUhY5oboxRdF2lvFFFcCvIfUw9YS/KmWcAISRvzrphuwbIZySN/ PjRNpfeL83bD22hqpi09TzgVmuNBT21he9araTi3HAx0qzytQSBd3sTUTdtgepJv9a74 Wt7oIKfJBTlDWLNJtMWL8LM/XOHpFOTiWh1cbrWKBCB1g0VddmOiGrHJ6y2dXPelFL2O hFlylBT2fWpL/Nt1s5bst5z9JDMNs28uPzi7brHq+G93PcY0f2dGcjkSOjoL70axxD0f BjTAUIG4zTZ+lZRZOXKJPVDRY0PWlQrYpNRdKYE05VmEZk6dZc7QB7IIaQAm9DSthyk3 04gQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 16:45:05 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: VIDEO: Kimbra, and her live vocal looping From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 23:45:06 +0000 (UTC) Nice, and I like the dangerous PA leakage as well. Seems like an iPad to me (gee, aren't I observant) but no clue on the looper. None of the iPad loopers I know would let you record those organ sounds while looping vocals. On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Yes, indeed very good! :-) =A0She even makes the dangerous PA leakage > sound good in the loops she's catching. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 9:26 PM, James Collin wro= te: >> A friend just sent me this video. It's pretty awesome - Kimbra performin= g >> live at SXSW last Friday. She's a singer songwriter from New Zealand. >> >> I can't tell what setup she's using, but it's entirely vocal loops. Any >> ideas? >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dsd7GLvMYSHI >> >> More at=A0http://www.kimbramusic.com/ >> >> - J > --=20 Art Simon simart@gmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 00:43:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5115D183464; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 00:43:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bC9YC7FVAL3nNwV50e889xTvPD1vxHU2wYoAIwsnogk=; b=d+sCqR5XGo91atWnqc3Vfl5hjjXSEdbVwkXFj8IC+733REgdLfAB4ZcYBSC7MzCtUl B8KgySAzaCmuko/UguByGgnM8CgOXlNOUD6ltoTHVAvOyiGe+tLEz6ITw4KIzq8mCz6e eGVyShULavAtuaUrQqNa1Z3SXxX8uKpuVjDqm0jx7LBX+5Cmr42/Raq8J1VxLqS/PtEQ DkI3lcPwAgcyHC6www8V5nl62hWOiBGvShcTElWENVf+jlWHD/8PsE4dW5IEtXF+x8U7 i+EMANh30ypiyCj9fhTbsXBSmDh+KJ+HOFr7RWQtXcRQzlmHAt+fo7vA2DslrJO8PBVl oidg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 18:43:03 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: VIDEO: Kimbra, and her live vocal looping From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 00:43:04 +0000 (UTC) She's using TWO iPads =97 the iPad on her right is being used to produce the "organ sounds" (you can see her "playing" it) while the one on the left appears to be using some kind of controller type of software (I don't use any of that, so I'm not sure which ones they would be=85but you can see her "triggering" things with it)=97maybe some kind of Monome type of app? Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Art Simon wrote: > Nice, and I like the dangerous PA leakage as well. > > Seems like an iPad to me (gee, aren't I observant) but no clue on the > looper. None of the iPad loopers I know would let you record those > organ sounds while looping vocals. > > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> Yes, indeed very good! :-) =A0She even makes the dangerous PA leakage >> sound good in the loops she's catching. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 9:26 PM, James Collin wr= ote: >>> A friend just sent me this video. It's pretty awesome - Kimbra performi= ng >>> live at SXSW last Friday. She's a singer songwriter from New Zealand. >>> >>> I can't tell what setup she's using, but it's entirely vocal loops. Any >>> ideas? >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dsd7GLvMYSHI >>> >>> More at=A0http://www.kimbramusic.com/ >>> >>> - J >> > > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@gmail.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 00:53:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E44218345C; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 00:53:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: James Collin Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:53:14 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: VIDEO: Kimbra, and her live vocal looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0444737d9e7ac504bbca57b0 X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:BpEjbcRrCD3JYdRhza9mgKJ9aqdQb0uFkVKfPqA4Dvx YCSmXlYfLkdBerRBKMnpy381LRNs3zrVZORXxsVazfif1zR8KS d5y0uOC1+P5o8APyuPl2f0QSYw73VP3ad/tiK+Q8ryYmVV5ah1 uSorcNZDN84YitZixCgDCH1DRBEeZM0xWdkqycV/XwT/HA0r7Y VGfZZ/Tz1opEnPCuEVM3aZqUxciKUk6TtatESmeIimlB/s1qfg PgIUvlhtvOqH9pR7h7LkQztMwlYYQKOT4kwdTmXiSAyiIb4zvh hJk2tjT8kGGsnaqTgfBdmraCJS9NdVgZnEMtSgIp+IB2rq8IG3 OGoxGeTVK/ibIJvJYdLYvx6oxUADsCe8rYhPouNpbmMFE8Xj/M s36AauEfO0UIySNnLHNt/PTAk+5dySQrty3Ak1EGSgZmtlA+Vh 0efPH Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 00:53:57 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0444737d9e7ac504bbca57b0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Looks like she's using a VoiceLive Touch to do looping, at least on the left side of her setup. http://www.tc-helicon.com/products/voicelive-touch/ Probably and iPad on the right, perhaps running GarageBand, or something else with a virtual keyboard. - J On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Art Simon wrote: > Nice, and I like the dangerous PA leakage as well. > > Seems like an iPad to me (gee, aren't I observant) but no clue on the > looper. None of the iPad loopers I know would let you record those > organ sounds while looping vocals. > > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > Yes, indeed very good! :-) She even makes the dangerous PA leakage > > sound good in the loops she's catching. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.perboysen.com > > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 9:26 PM, James Collin > wrote: > >> A friend just sent me this video. It's pretty awesome - Kimbra > performing > >> live at SXSW last Friday. She's a singer songwriter from New Zealand. > >> > >> I can't tell what setup she's using, but it's entirely vocal loops. Any > >> ideas? > >> > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd7GLvMYSHI > >> > >> More at http://www.kimbramusic.com/ > >> > >> - J > > > > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@gmail.com > > --f46d0444737d9e7ac504bbca57b0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looks like she's using a VoiceLive Touch to do looping, at least on the= left side of her setup.=A0http://www.tc-helicon.com/products/voicelive-touch/
Probably and iPad on the right, perhaps running GarageBand, = or something else with a virtual keyboard.=A0

- J<= br>
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Art Simo= n <simart@gmail.co= m> wrote:

Nice, and I like the dangerous PA leakage as= well.

Seems like an iPad to me (gee, aren't I observant) but no clue on the looper. None of the iPad loopers I know would let you record those
organ sounds while looping vocals.

On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, indeed very good! :-) =A0She even makes the dangerous PA leakage<= br> > sound good in the loops she's catching.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.c= om
> http://= www.youtube.com/perboysen
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 9:26 PM, James Collin <music@jamescollin.com> wrote:
>> A friend just sent me this video. It's pretty awesome - Kimbra= performing
>> live at SXSW last Friday. She's a singer songwriter from New Z= ealand.
>>
>> I can't tell what setup she's using, but it's entirely= vocal loops. Any
>> ideas?
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dsd7GLvMYSHI
>>
>> More at=A0http://www.kimbramusic.com/
>>
>> - J
>

--
Art Simon
simart@gmail.com

--f46d0444737d9e7ac504bbca57b0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 02:28:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F346183464; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 02:28:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=HcAxL18MYJRIA/5/79jN64iHizlkMn0wLnmDKe/xDlo=; b=CBC8T2+sTArPIqisxelhImcb4JxmJHBlBCRPIHp/m/x4/qSTmuzd5T1f6bOeuM7ekW gexy7Wje+FU4Xs6K448Kf9LVekQM6pyrSCrLjz6FFQoN81MR0bmOv5XsK/eYm919NxNC S5Qbh0RE7RTnBUByvLFuzu6khoumLAZdnUKOlS6w6CJcEJuLUDSVitJe1Z+sQhZJmvwX /ieZ2ahWJyrsRDZg6bfOlai7x2ogCl8lnPxaGJH1oWaqXEqr2nskr5XWNDD6oIdnNbVf ezm2ZiK6kgNyKfJlK2FQerAaMmnECs8uNZHRjjiUUXXRrfseOeqKj2qi+NaUZawb/F2x rLKw== Subject: Re: VIDEO: Kimbra, and her live vocal looping References: From: Philip Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-BCC43C4A-D365-468B-8116-BA48802DD5CB X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 11:28:31 +0900 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 02:28:39 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-BCC43C4A-D365-468B-8116-BA48802DD5CB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii She's looping?!? She had me with the stripes (@_@) Sent from my iPhone On Mar 22, 2012, at 9:53 AM, James Collin wrote: > Looks like she's using a VoiceLive Touch to do looping, at least on the le= ft side of her setup. http://www.tc-helicon.com/products/voicelive-touch/ >=20 > Probably and iPad on the right, perhaps running GarageBand, or something e= lse with a virtual keyboard.=20 >=20 > - J >=20 > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Art Simon wrote: > Nice, and I like the dangerous PA leakage as well. >=20 > Seems like an iPad to me (gee, aren't I observant) but no clue on the > looper. None of the iPad loopers I know would let you record those > organ sounds while looping vocals. >=20 > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > Yes, indeed very good! :-) She even makes the dangerous PA leakage > > sound good in the loops she's catching. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.perboysen.com > > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 9:26 PM, James Collin wr= ote: > >> A friend just sent me this video. It's pretty awesome - Kimbra performi= ng > >> live at SXSW last Friday. She's a singer songwriter from New Zealand. > >> > >> I can't tell what setup she's using, but it's entirely vocal loops. Any= > >> ideas? > >> > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dsd7GLvMYSHI > >> > >> More at http://www.kimbramusic.com/ > >> > >> - J > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > Art Simon > simart@gmail.com >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-BCC43C4A-D365-468B-8116-BA48802DD5CB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
She's looping?!?

She had me with the stripes (@_@)

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 22, 2012, at 9:53 AM, James Collin <music@jamescollin.com> wrote:

Looks like she's using a VoiceLive Touch to do looping, at least on the left side of her setup. http://www.tc-helicon.com/products/voicelive-touch/

Probably and iPad on the right, perhaps running GarageBand, or something else with a virtual keyboard.

- J

On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Art Simon <simart@gmail.com> wrote:

Nice, and I like the dangerous PA leakage as well.

Seems like an iPad to me (gee, aren't I observant) but no clue on the
looper. None of the iPad loopers I know would let you record those
organ sounds while looping vocals.

On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, indeed very good! :-) She even makes the dangerous PA leakage
> sound good in the loops she's catching.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.com
> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 9:26 PM, James Collin <music@jamescollin.com> wrote:
>> A friend just sent me this video. It's pretty awesome - Kimbra performing
>> live at SXSW last Friday. She's a singer songwriter from New Zealand.
>>
>> I can't tell what setup she's using, but it's entirely vocal loops. Any
>> ideas?
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd7GLvMYSHI
>>
>> More at http://www.kimbramusic.com/
>>
>> - J
>

--
Art Simon
simart@gmail.com

--Apple-Mail-BCC43C4A-D365-468B-8116-BA48802DD5CB-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 02:39:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F667183466; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 02:39:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Lx6pMT4IKWQKoo/60gYQDrbMRXCy7FEEL+ohEAej/0g=; b=ltmoZDrKoiQQrcjN8pVX6NzkxrKm6aEXzt17B5bGmHs29emOShboeYUcR8MIDCNQy7 0Uus49fcwcH5CJFC037eUUMEVUEwqK5Pd/c5WUAbF3w0/CitZCwHuwIW6+maBd/M9gKo Xyq0UZQG+7UC3QrZmn3gE6PWNjOTLMwrIhGebdR6qwYOQ515Ag3aCgt5484OyhAhi0AL VXvRXevM8kxbpC62KMn8kqIulSLbvUmooh5KpN0YDQXmHhcEutnVSQn0fAr8j3QlPLk9 NKN1iEh+Uye2rIMeqB/DCym8AOQPsA0OxRRXB96dC+Ck5U+lPEmONOH598hpAt1ORq9+ sq3A== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:39:37 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: VIDEO: Kimbra, and her live vocal looping From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <6Y3GQD.A.f3E.qDpaPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 02:39:38 +0000 (UTC) My excuse is that I was so focused on the the stripes I missed the TWO iPads. That explains it! : ) On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Philip wrote: > She's looping?!? > > She had me with the stripes (@_@) > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 22, 2012, at 9:53 AM, James Collin wrote: > > Looks like she's using a VoiceLive Touch to do looping, at least on the l= eft > side of her setup.=A0http://www.tc-helicon.com/products/voicelive-touch/ > > Probably and iPad on the right, perhaps running GarageBand, or something > else with a virtual keyboard. > > - J > > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Art Simon wrote: >> >> Nice, and I like the dangerous PA leakage as well. >> >> Seems like an iPad to me (gee, aren't I observant) but no clue on the >> looper. None of the iPad loopers I know would let you record those >> organ sounds while looping vocals. >> >> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> > Yes, indeed very good! :-) =A0She even makes the dangerous PA leakage >> > sound good in the loops she's catching. >> > >> > Greetings from Sweden >> > >> > Per Boysen >> > www.perboysen.com >> > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 9:26 PM, James Collin >> > wrote: >> >> A friend just sent me this video. It's pretty awesome - Kimbra >> >> performing >> >> live at SXSW last Friday. She's a singer songwriter from New Zealand. >> >> >> >> I can't tell what setup she's using, but it's entirely vocal loops. A= ny >> >> ideas? >> >> >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dsd7GLvMYSHI >> >> >> >> More at=A0http://www.kimbramusic.com/ >> >> >> >> - J >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Art Simon >> simart@gmail.com >> > --=20 Art Simon simart@gmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 04:16:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7221D183463; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 04:16:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=iZ07LBb+mBkEjuSf3TYYC33Ex79KT09pWaotx1l0NqI=; b=02x/9zKwsFPJpacntxkTz4H+9helK43qZpxKUS4jPe1N1VMXO3F6A+m69xJbzvoM78 EX0jN+I45pgTcZxx6DR0GYv/V6k1LcFLvcfDwGaGIfAEmZ4uh46VUAp2omxDHVHRTCgQ V02GvOpbuKc6Gxnz4AkiWXGQP8/m0BgdJhDg6ZFjgP0NSfkIX6M2ludwL/ma1rbuRwSs PaC48Hu19iSLZm52qDQ5+EdYCJuc2y7OGvmiVrKP59HBY7UJKIDEJi6XJ4zvlErBSAKJ Q6ccHTpFWB4YI/DmfShXMl8zUVGA3aygvKEegY2Xq+DxfdQ70cnMISkGO1/WXZARraE0 J7nA== From: Philip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Echoplex RAM Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 13:16:32 +0900 Message-Id: To: loopers delight delight Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 04:16:37 +0000 (UTC) I'm trying to upgrade the memory in my Oberheim Echoplex to 198seconds. I found an eBay seller with some RAM that looks like it will work: = http://www.ebay.com/itm/NeXT-Cube-NeXT-Station-68040-68030-25Mhz-Ram-4-mb-= 30-pin-simms-4-16-Mb-/270900207016?pt=3DLH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=3Ditem3f12= e91da8#ht_500wt_1091 Are 30pin SIMM cards pretty much the same? Thanks= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 04:17:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B733C183473; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 04:17:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=SkbLYrDGG04KqirZQc2sxp5xaiVQGRSJdS7uUkNlBZo=; b=GhH0Ft6OpUJwee7G8sNtKMvy91bDT++koAUYqeCN2fe6C88Psrvp35kzsUo7simLeD adfaFVUQIX81wU+naTFenPw/iJ/WokkRheCfV+SitFCh8Wfe9h9o3+lfNty1R61vYEld VWFHeNsSdFBTrZbM6pzzvcAdUFSarM9DEIOQjKiyzQfNZbbdrgxnG8TgkXP49ssezjRG RdyktsqGCxGYtAZqfrvDh5wusqKuXC4eHcEy+sr5lPqy29wq7nzEfTDNGuulduqtxe1n oosz3/ulZoLa/2afxUzw1qn+8yOvY9fLcwGo21Xzx3voKwbJmcTmRnlRS7J/105TbnUi r3ug== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 22:17:11 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: VIDEO: Kimbra, and her live vocal looping From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 04:17:12 +0000 (UTC) James Collins is right =85 she's using an iPad and the TC VoiceLIve Touch .= .. Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Art Simon wrote: > My excuse is that I was so focused on the the stripes I missed the TWO > iPads. That explains it! : ) > > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Philip wrote: >> She's looping?!? >> >> She had me with the stripes (@_@) >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Mar 22, 2012, at 9:53 AM, James Collin wrote: >> >> Looks like she's using a VoiceLive Touch to do looping, at least on the = left >> side of her setup.=A0http://www.tc-helicon.com/products/voicelive-touch/ >> >> Probably and iPad on the right, perhaps running GarageBand, or something >> else with a virtual keyboard. >> >> - J >> >> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Art Simon wrote: >>> >>> Nice, and I like the dangerous PA leakage as well. >>> >>> Seems like an iPad to me (gee, aren't I observant) but no clue on the >>> looper. None of the iPad loopers I know would let you record those >>> organ sounds while looping vocals. >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Per Boysen wrote= : >>> > Yes, indeed very good! :-) =A0She even makes the dangerous PA leakage >>> > sound good in the loops she's catching. >>> > >>> > Greetings from Sweden >>> > >>> > Per Boysen >>> > www.perboysen.com >>> > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 9:26 PM, James Collin >>> > wrote: >>> >> A friend just sent me this video. It's pretty awesome - Kimbra >>> >> performing >>> >> live at SXSW last Friday. She's a singer songwriter from New Zealand= . >>> >> >>> >> I can't tell what setup she's using, but it's entirely vocal loops. = Any >>> >> ideas? >>> >> >>> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dsd7GLvMYSHI >>> >> >>> >> More at=A0http://www.kimbramusic.com/ >>> >> >>> >> - J >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Art Simon >>> simart@gmail.com >>> >> > > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@gmail.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 04:26:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DD3D183463; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 04:26:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "BC" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: VIDEO: Kimbra, and her live vocal looping Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 00:26:50 -0400 Message-ID: <03d801cd07e4$00d68890$028399b0$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIsiOpj6aQCCLech1FhSwtLXuWHcAF87F3oAekN/SgCvxazEAJs2zY8ApGG/8oBL/w/95VUGV9w Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120314-1, 03/11/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 04:26:51 +0000 (UTC) Yup, it's a VL Touch. I've been using one for the past year. It's a good thing to have in the arsenal, though like anything it has a few drawbacks for looping. For example, you can't currently control playback levels of individual loops. Supposedly they're looking into fixing that, among a few other minor issues things. It's a worthy purchase if you're looking for decent harmonies and pretty much any kind of vocal mangling you can dream up. Brian -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Moser [mailto:sinsofmachaut@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 12:17 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: VIDEO: Kimbra, and her live vocal looping James Collins is right . she's using an iPad and the TC VoiceLIve Touch ... Best, Dennis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 04:43:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CADEE183464; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 04:43:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 491 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 04:43:51 UTC From: "BC" To: References: <03d801cd07e4$00d68890$028399b0$@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <03d801cd07e4$00d68890$028399b0$@comcast.net> Subject: RE: VIDEO: Kimbra, and her live vocal looping Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 00:35:38 -0400 Message-ID: <03df01cd07e5$3c0ecac0$b42c6040$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIsiOpj6aQCCLech1FhSwtLXuWHcAF87F3oAekN/SgCvxazEAJs2zY8ApGG/8oBL/w/9wIUDoZ3lUN7QpA= Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120314-1, 03/11/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 04:43:51 +0000 (UTC) As an aside, she's fun to watch. She makes funny faces and she dances just like Elaine Benis from Seinfeld. Add to that her sex appeal and we have a stellar entertainer. Oh, and she sings ok, too! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 05:26:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3B2A183465; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 05:26:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAO+3ak8yaCYH/2dsb2JhbABEtxqDEj0CJ4IEh2+4NopcgmSCP2MEiFaSdoo6gwWBNg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,628,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="237592750" X-Originating-IP: [50.104.38.7] X-Previous-IP: 50.104.38.7 Message-Id: <92BDC6AE-7736-4AAB-B6A0-A4F33CB2F567@frontier.com> From: Jeff Shirkey To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: (Basic) Help Setting Up EDP Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 00:25:17 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 05:26:41 +0000 (UTC) I just scored a really great deal on a used, but like-new EDP+. It'll arrive in a couple days, and I'm sitting here pondering how I'd like to incorporate it into my little studio rig that I'm building. I could use a little help/advice. I'm planning on getting an Axe Fx II, and I'd put the EDP in its fx loop. The Axe would be connected to my MOTU interface, along with other devices--like a Boss DR-880 rhythm/bass machine. My studio monitors are connected to the MOTU's main outputs. Here's the gist of my question, I guess. If I want to be able to loop more than just my guitar--in other words, let's say I want to add other instrumentation (like from the Boss DR-880, or maybe even some VI tracks/loops on my Macbook (I have Live and Logic on my Mac)--how would I go about getting those sounds into the EDP? Is my solution to get a mixer? I'm trying to envision how my signal would be routed, and that's where I'm getting stuck. A more expensive option could be to get a SoundSculpture Switchblade 8B, in order to route all of my signals, I suppose, but funds are rather limited at the moment, and if I don't have to go that route, I won't. I suppose I could also incorporate my RC-50 into the mix to add even more looping options, but maybe that's adding more complexity than needed. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 07:22:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A43B4183464; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 07:22:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=Kb0lnJHqJzbq7G/9HNBdBjuCoNVPOJztbB3AFCtnjFM=; b=bh2jhvW4TgmOrGTgqjJfpDEqfezy/VsUG4VQ7jtgmdg6GDKyB+jlLTqD16yXbG62Eh uSaoN0RGABGj8s7FySXyZRE6SIuH8DTmnP0uJ4g+06v6IQzE0KnJxYT8+bYa8vv25R6O tZQI7TTR2FCJpFIZSpFku/wqZUvtDsrpJbfE53e/lvrr4Yp2PT/ENioY8yQjwzb30F2G oMkprpooKcsQSbNPlw//HRQ4/Zf4mottoF8EYV3/Z57cr5m3kM2veMQpwzme3kXOSRja BAr+bXInnra/ld4Fdl6wpaQ3P/ZRUt4uHW+i1SByq+puSVvG8MXmBrVINYHj87MGEcIs qQKQ== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Subject: Re: (Basic) Help Setting Up EDP From: Philip In-Reply-To: <92BDC6AE-7736-4AAB-B6A0-A4F33CB2F567@frontier.com> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 16:22:05 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8176CA35-B6DD-4E81-B0E2-351EF8C7C97C@gmail.com> References: <92BDC6AE-7736-4AAB-B6A0-A4F33CB2F567@frontier.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 07:22:09 +0000 (UTC) Sorry I don't really have anything to contribute, but I will follow this = thread with interest. I'm trying to set up a similar system with = electric and acoustic guitars through an AxeFx2. I'm trying to set up a = system where the loops are synced to the MIDI clock from the DSI = Tempest--which is still in the beta stage, so MIDI sync still has a few = bugs to work out.=20 David Torn is a member on The Gear Page--and probably here as well, he = recommended the Rane SM82 mixer, to which he has had a couple simple = mods. I found one for around 100 dollars here in Osaka, so I picked it = up and am trying to work it into my system which is currently a single = Oberheim Echoplex--but hopefully will be a pair of EDP+s very soon.=20 I've got a really simple system for just my guitar and the edp now, but = in addition to guitar, I want to loop various other sounds (audio = samples etc) and need to be able to mangle those sounds through outboard = processors like MoogerFoogers and a T-Resonator. So, I'm trying to = figure out how to put everything together. The Switchblade looks amazing, but I like having knobs and sliders like = on the Rane. It would be nice to figure out a way to have options of = sending guitar loops through a Moog Clusterflux for one song and send = vocal loops through it on another--while processing guitar loops with = something else. Just out of curiousity, do you do songs or more ambient type stuff.=20 I've become tired of songs and am more into beat based ambient, old trip = hop etc. On Mar 22, 2012, at 2:25 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > I just scored a really great deal on a used, but like-new EDP+. It'll = arrive in a couple days, and I'm sitting here pondering how I'd like to = incorporate it into my little studio rig that I'm building. I could use = a little help/advice. >=20 > I'm planning on getting an Axe Fx II, and I'd put the EDP in its fx = loop. The Axe would be connected to my MOTU interface, along with other = devices--like a Boss DR-880 rhythm/bass machine. My studio monitors are = connected to the MOTU's main outputs. >=20 > Here's the gist of my question, I guess. If I want to be able to loop = more than just my guitar--in other words, let's say I want to add other = instrumentation (like from the Boss DR-880, or maybe even some VI = tracks/loops on my Macbook (I have Live and Logic on my Mac)--how would = I go about getting those sounds into the EDP? Is my solution to get a = mixer? I'm trying to envision how my signal would be routed, and that's = where I'm getting stuck. >=20 > A more expensive option could be to get a SoundSculpture Switchblade = 8B, in order to route all of my signals, I suppose, but funds are rather = limited at the moment, and if I don't have to go that route, I won't. >=20 > I suppose I could also incorporate my RC-50 into the mix to add even = more looping options, but maybe that's adding more complexity than = needed. >=20 > Any suggestions would be appreciated. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Jeff >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 22 23:11:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D10E183464; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 23:11:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F6BB194.60901@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 19:11:16 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4qxc2B.A.cZ.YG7aPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 23:11:20 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Mark Jenkins. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Ghosts of Mars" on the Ricochet Dream label. The Focus page is at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#mar Mark Jenkins will play a live set during the show. Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 23 01:53:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23ECD183473; Fri, 23 Mar 2012 01:53:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Fri, 23 Mar 2012 01:53:24 UTC From: Todd Matthews Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C0187BB0-1116-4902-9B1B-E98C9720BAEB" Subject: Happy Healthy Looping Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 21:46:42 -0400 Message-Id: <895D0E6B-5497-4C23-AA51-D7C710089BDE@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Identified-User: {2359:box565.bluehost.com:joshuas4:joshuasteelemusic.com} {sentby:smtp auth 184.6.29.93 authed with info@joshuasteelemusic.com} Resent-Message-ID: <0Rv_7D.A.ioB.Ue9aPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 01:53:25 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_C0187BB0-1116-4902-9B1B-E98C9720BAEB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I finally shook a nasty bug I caught last week. I was sleeping 12+ hours = and waking up feeling like I go hit by a truck.=20 This is a short 1 min long celebratory loop now that I feel grrrrrreat! http://vimeo.com/39025575 -------------------- Todd Matthews toddbass.com twitter: gtodd876 --Apple-Mail=_C0187BB0-1116-4902-9B1B-E98C9720BAEB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I finally shook a nasty bug I caught last week. I was sleeping 12+ hours and waking up feeling like I go hit by a truck.

This is a short 1 min long celebratory loop now that I feel grrrrrreat!

http://vimeo.com/39025575

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Todd Matthews
toddbass.com
twitter: gtodd876

--Apple-Mail=_C0187BB0-1116-4902-9B1B-E98C9720BAEB-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 23 02:29:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C20B2183473; Fri, 23 Mar 2012 02:29:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 22:16:25 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Seen and Not Seen New video on You Tube Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, Frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 02:29:54 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I've posted another video on You Tube -- at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyE77gRL87g "Seen and Not Seen" is an improvisation performed at 119 Gallery in Lowell, MA on Jan. 20, 2012, with Joe Burgio, Betty Wang - movement, Glynis Lomon - cello, voice, Junko Simons - cello and Kit Demos - double bass You can't see the dancing in the video, but it does contain a lot of prerecorded movement by Joe Burgio BTW Some of my photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 23 09:15:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E219183473; Fri, 23 Mar 2012 09:15:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <895D0E6B-5497-4C23-AA51-D7C710089BDE@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <895D0E6B-5497-4C23-AA51-D7C710089BDE@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-D08C18D2-3856-45C2-8283-C8C58D297F76 Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) From: Billy Thompson Subject: Re: Happy Healthy Looping Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 09:15:20 +0000 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailcore-Auth: 9862611 X-Mailcore-Domain: 27454 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 09:15:25 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-D08C18D2-3856-45C2-8283-C8C58D297F76 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ha! Good one Todd, Think I've got what you had though... Excessive exposure to looping perhaps.= .. Regards, Billy http://www.billythompson.co.uk http://www.thompsoundmusic.co.uk On 23 Mar 2012, at 01:46, Todd Matthews wrote: > I finally shook a nasty bug I caught last week. I was sleeping 12+ hours a= nd waking up feeling like I go hit by a truck.=20 >=20 > This is a short 1 min long celebratory loop now that I feel grrrrrreat! >=20 > http://vimeo.com/39025575 >=20 >=20 > -------------------- > Todd Matthews > toddbass.com > twitter: gtodd876 >=20 --Apple-Mail-D08C18D2-3856-45C2-8283-C8C58D297F76 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Ha!

Good one Todd,

Think I've got what you had though... Excessive exposure to looping perhaps...

Regards,

Billy
http://www.billythompson.co.uk
http://www.thompsoundmusic.co.uk

On 23 Mar 2012, at 01:46, Todd Matthews <gtmatthews@gmail.com> wrote:

I finally shook a nasty bug I caught last week. I was sleeping 12+ hours and waking up feeling like I go hit by a truck.

This is a short 1 min long celebratory loop now that I feel grrrrrreat!

http://vimeo.com/39025575

--------------------
Todd Matthews
toddbass.com
twitter: gtodd876

--Apple-Mail-D08C18D2-3856-45C2-8283-C8C58D297F76-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 23 09:43:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3120518345D; Fri, 23 Mar 2012 09:43:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=x0or5SbmKB21qUaZYqur9SfaOt7xUH/N3X+psr9B9gw=; b=cZ8ZqPhWAY8KVT5jaW1D80bYYF8q2k8GpbeiwSpg0PFrjUlj9U5OrWM1j+jxWem7B5 PBt9kl4bFLN8lEiH0UTIIKJR3JLQWiJg2ovd3kWLrO1sPwgs1YwPPPFenRdWB4ZGDkR6 LvhEmlWutyBhCniQ3S2whvnLaklHdLOOUpZuYR4jEFdtLHxTUnIuRUz7oPsgirJQP48U 4+muf8s5Ov48/UAF9eoPmj4wJKvL4TbK9QNK35oSLjznOtiaTqUnb+oBHR8gy7MDMVhR eE49ziY78HObTpj72G/xsksJOI5VNI52uT/oO0eqkf308ySyBBTcYqBKdpt8y8XO08W+ Pfaw== Subject: Re: Happy Healthy Looping References: <895D0E6B-5497-4C23-AA51-D7C710089BDE@gmail.com> From: Philip Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-B17D953A-B2B6-422F-858E-660CDB0812F6 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <6C876330-D986-4A08-AC66-29D23BFEE6B2@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 18:43:14 +0900 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 09:43:22 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-B17D953A-B2B6-422F-858E-660CDB0812F6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Loopus? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 23, 2012, at 6:15 PM, Billy Thompson wr= ote: > Ha! >=20 > Good one Todd, >=20 > Think I've got what you had though... Excessive exposure to looping perhap= s... >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Billy > http://www.billythompson.co.uk > http://www.thompsoundmusic.co.uk >=20 >=20 > On 23 Mar 2012, at 01:46, Todd Matthews wrote: >=20 >> I finally shook a nasty bug I caught last week. I was sleeping 12+ hours a= nd waking up feeling like I go hit by a truck.=20 >>=20 >> This is a short 1 min long celebratory loop now that I feel grrrrrreat! >>=20 >> http://vimeo.com/39025575 >>=20 >>=20 >> -------------------- >> Todd Matthews >> toddbass.com >> twitter: gtodd876 >>=20 --Apple-Mail-B17D953A-B2B6-422F-858E-660CDB0812F6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Loopus?

Sent from m= y iPhone

On Mar 23, 2012, at 6:15 PM, Billy Thompson <billy@thompsoundmusic.co.uk>= ; wrote:

Ha!

Good one Todd,

Think I've got= what you had though... Excessive exposure to looping perhaps...

Rega= rds,

Billy
http://www.billythompson.co.uk
http://www.thompsoundmusic.co.uk

On 23 Mar 2012, at 01:46, Todd Matthews <gtmatthews@gmail.com> wrote:

I finally shook a nasty bug I caught last w= eek. I was sleeping 12+ hours and waking up feeling like I go hit by a truck= .

This is a short 1 min long celebratory loop now t= hat I feel grrrrrreat!

http://vimeo.com/39025575

--------------------
Todd Matthew= s
toddbass.com
= twitter: gtodd876

= --Apple-Mail-B17D953A-B2B6-422F-858E-660CDB0812F6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 23 10:20:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03622183465; Fri, 23 Mar 2012 10:20:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Fri, 23 Mar 2012 10:20:41 UTC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Subject: Re: Happy Healthy Looping From: Todd Matthews In-Reply-To: <6C876330-D986-4A08-AC66-29D23BFEE6B2@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 06:13:59 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <895D0E6B-5497-4C23-AA51-D7C710089BDE@gmail.com> <6C876330-D986-4A08-AC66-29D23BFEE6B2@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Identified-User: {2359:box565.bluehost.com:joshuas4:joshuasteelemusic.com} {sentby:smtp auth 184.6.29.93 authed with info@joshuasteelemusic.com} Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 10:20:41 +0000 (UTC) On Mar 23, 2012, at 5:43 AM, Philip wrote: > Loopus? > > Sent from my iPhone Hahahahaha! That good long laugh just helped the healing process even more:) -------------------- Todd Matthews toddbass.com twitter: gtodd876 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 23 13:02:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE977183466; Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:02:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=NY/IdS207fMCwltkwmGdx1IKmElPFITY4xxM4wzn1Ok=; b=hsCc/RLSj3WUC5GZZtJUHF/pUG6f4elqnELmPw8vqPBRsj96zO/PollB25H2xyNTH1 87HBxWvEoCOGzpBTpWHBQ64lmjtR6xevk42qsDnZb3jUVP40NwN74/UNCZAUDb9xDb1s H+DRivOGJClvDZXZxlKlVBm4/TAQHtC0U3IUsWQRHEkP0eOjKWomVcaCaG1VZU/CcaL1 QrOh3ICDgsahInvpVp9sgY2vaJ3C+Cg6UWhBBTYwPyY+EARqBqqEBJjqOctraXoRExAD qdiMrYgcdx6ce55uJ4xHWHhtrupHeiQ1RQjLMF/2EhHkRMQuCTHSe3+YIfHy0h/cewFj eWGQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <895D0E6B-5497-4C23-AA51-D7C710089BDE@gmail.com> <6C876330-D986-4A08-AC66-29D23BFEE6B2@gmail.com> From: todd reynolds Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 09:01:36 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Happy Healthy Looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cd04e55a2c704bbe8a2c5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:02:18 +0000 (UTC) --0015175cd04e55a2c704bbe8a2c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable that was fun, Todd... thanks for that... love that progression... On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 6:13 AM, Todd Matthews wrote= : > On Mar 23, 2012, at 5:43 AM, Philip wrote: > > > Loopus? > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > Hahahahaha! That good long laugh just helped the healing process even > more:) > > -------------------- > Todd Matthews > toddbass.com > twitter: gtodd876 > > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =95 *The Best Classical Music of the Year, 2011* - Amazon.com =95 Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now available wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D http://toddreynolds.com http://twitter.com/digifiddler http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic http://blog.toddreynolds.com http://facebook.com/toddreynolds http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds need me right away? Call or text me at 917.576.6166 --0015175cd04e55a2c704bbe8a2c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable that was fun, Todd... thanks for that... love that progression...=A0

On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 6:1= 3 AM, Todd Matthews <gtmatthews@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mar 23, 2012, at 5:43 A= M, Philip wrote:

> Loopus?
>
> Sent from my iPhone

Hahahahaha! That good long laugh just helped the healing process even= more:)

--------------------
Todd Matthews
toddbass.com
twitter: gtodd876

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=95 The Best Classical Music of=A0the= Year, 2011 - Amazon.com

=95=A0Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now avail= able wherever music is sold. Here's a direct link to Amazon, however!=A0=

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need me right away? =A0Call or text me at 917.576.6166

--0015175cd04e55a2c704bbe8a2c5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 23 14:44:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4239183462; Fri, 23 Mar 2012 14:44:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=hr4h1/zkXYERSJ2EStLXlJ9v/X1e5ATtVUFVM9Abuxk= c=1 sm=0 a=ag-fW5BYDy0A:10 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=jJrOw3FHAAAA:8 a=4LCZUxTTbHkoPsqvtIsA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=xYcO2lAh0cbk-WHSrjMA:9 a=O0eOXI7vgvI8cJQvbWcA:7 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=LQjQekE+XiU11NtodPeVoQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Message-ID: <94BC8BC9C5C54FA7A893D250B64A03AC@KTSCHAZ> From: "Chaz Worm" To: References: <895D0E6B-5497-4C23-AA51-D7C710089BDE@gmail.com> <6C876330-D986-4A08-AC66-29D23BFEE6B2@gmail.com> Subject: Jeffee Earth covers Jonny Wright Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 10:44:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01E8_01CD08E1.ECD1F920" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Resent-Message-ID: <00G2tC.A.ydH.RxIbPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 14:44:33 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01E8_01CD08E1.ECD1F920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just found this clip of my old guitarist (and little brother) doing = the looping thing in Cincinnati. http://youtu.be/ruNHZ4IBlrc It would be cooler if he did it on punk banjo chaz worm ------=_NextPart_000_01E8_01CD08E1.ECD1F920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just found this clip of my old = guitarist (and=20 little brother) doing the looping thing in Cincinnati.

http://youtu.be/ruNHZ4IBlrc

It would be cooler if he did it on punk = banjo

chaz worm
------=_NextPart_000_01E8_01CD08E1.ECD1F920-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 23 19:32:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1970E18345E; Fri, 23 Mar 2012 19:32:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F6CCFB6.4090809@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 15:32:06 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120313 Thunderbird/11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: TONIGHT - The Soundscapes Concert Series Featuring Mark Jenkins (UK) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 19:32:22 +0000 (UTC) Friday, March 23, the Soundscapes Concert Series returns to the Nazareth Center for the Arts with Mark Jenkins of the UK. A leading figure in the UK's electronic music scene for over 20 years, Mark Jenkins has performed as a member of WHITE NOISE and with singer ARTHUR BROWN and members of Can, Gong, Van Der Graaf Generator, and Tangerine Dream. He is the author of the acclaimed book and CD "ANALOG SYNTHESIZERS" and is the first musician in the world to release a CD created entirely on the Apple iPad. Mark has created music for concert performances, advertising, TV and CD releases and has performed at the London Planetarium, London Royal Greenwich Observatory Planetarium, London South Bank, Carnegie Science Center Pittsburgh, National Theatre Brazil, and in France, Holland and China. Doors open at 7:30 pm and the concert is at 8:00 pm. The concert is free. Donations are requested to support the musician and to enable the Nazareth Center for the Arts to pay operating expenses. The NCA is located at 30 Belvidere Street, Nazareth, PA 18064 just off of Route 191 on the southwest corner of Belvidere Street and South Spruce Street. Check the NCA site for parking information. The Soundscapes Concert Series is the concert companion to the Galactic Travels radio program on WDIY-FM and to Thought Radio on WMUH-FM and presents electronic music to the Lehigh Valley. This is the concert series that presented Dean DeBenedictis & Vic Hennegan (California), Bernhard Wosteinrich (Germany), Robert Rich (California), vidnaObmana (Belgium), The Ministry of Inside Things (Philadelphia), Richard Lainhart (New York), Orbital Decay (Quakertown), Mark Jenkins (UK), Mikronesia (Philadelphia), The Tangent Project (Philadelphia), Technicolor Travel Agency (Poconos), and Twyndyllyngs (Lehigh Valley) to local audiences. Here is a collection of links that may be used in promoting this concert. MARK JENKINS: http://markjenkins.co SOUNDSCAPES CONCERT SERIES: http://soundscapes.us FUTURE: Sunday, April 22: Wave World (Netherlands) Friday, May 11: Broekhuis, Keller, and Schonwalder (Germany) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 24 15:29:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D86B183463; Sat, 24 Mar 2012 15:29:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=PYxfGpg3uy/wz4s7fqxAVL1F/AwCZwVSKUWXlky0Yqg=; b=WrBIh7kQSi5tJho2+uj9YnXQ4Zn/8w+Y2K+XeOrr3ESB3VgIZFT5VxNsZncvSSZLN7 YsTLu4HebJzPPpdNawbZuujV4fPbWd6V8aiCYcyRpDGtakl6ufCHgqcCzWHmLL4QK9sA DKzLs9xNKf3lKYqqTZnffAEfCLchHWspFDoXNmRZA28zX39ZOBdnW4ur4aZq2gkfByCP QvfecK5GXuEPOWONyuED2OfBBHARLN2+dwOnLKCCJpfWy3gxbWzIC8nu2ZSRAvppv8r6 HLTd4U48+NuhjCnMMOR0jDfo5iagJ281BiYYb51MibYYTzupf6pNkdCBKdz1ckbHzpeP efLw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 17:29:04 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: OT: lost artist From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopergroup Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174bdf021bfa7004bbfecdf1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 15:29:05 +0000 (UTC) --0015174bdf021bfa7004bbfecdf1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Probably this is too vague description, but: I picked up an artist and listened to him a while ago... from the list, I think, but: I have forgotten his name and even the fact if it was from the LD-list that I spotted him from. He was (probably) a son of some famous Nashville producer or something... Kinda a young, in his twenties. Acoustic guitar, instrumental stuff, fingerpicking. Thats about all I can remember, and the fact that his stuff was really splendid. There was a promotional video of him walking near some river or something, really nice looking stuff, like a documentary. Can anyone help me on this matter? My google searches turn out unsuccesful. :-D -- Petri --0015174bdf021bfa7004bbfecdf1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi

Probably this is too vague description, but:

I picked up an artist and listened to him a while ago... from the list, I think, but:
I have forgotten his name and even the fact if it was from the LD-list that I spotted him from.

He was (probably) a son of some famous Nashville producer or something...
Kinda a young, in his twenties. Acoustic guitar, instrumental stuff, fingerpicking.

Thats about all I can remember, and the fact that his stuff was really splendid.
There was a promotional video of him walking near some river or something, really nice looking stuff, like a documentary.

Can anyone help me on this matter? My google searches turn out unsuccesful. :-D

--
Petri

--0015174bdf021bfa7004bbfecdf1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 24 16:05:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2128F18345B; Sat, 24 Mar 2012 16:05:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Udc/YtoEHPFllcO1A/TU1AmWNRDYRmSisroqnz84edo=; b=bP53Ryb6hvjdk/9ShoTMhe7PYxRatrQ7d3ilmjqQMzNSTKuXG8eIX8WmRsP5khX9Ch B18fZKg7c/4i0lq7nrCazegeIo9l8O4EjrUCj3Zm88sXnx+j/+FapQU1wVGyqaY4+4z0 7oJRLsB59p7R2OwZTUkCYi+cx/gDW3tl3hgcTKqRhVIsFwUj5sbvoSKi/wTjcxZT++JH LJPTQF+dJp9X2VGAu3RW4hX/nl3x43a1z4fL+Ta6Yxjbu5GGXQn1hDbab0Mj5/4UH9UB BKiT+gqpjqQUUmGBNVNqOuAKobt1C3MXPr51VRQnLvCHqCvb6MDL9bRxIVwtKxzDtzG4 60eQ== Message-ID: <4F6DF0CB.90006@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 17:05:31 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping with the LP1 References: <20120319160924.72356oyy08xq3ypw@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <20120319171952.21416f8n0grl153c@mail.kevinkissinger.com> In-Reply-To: <20120319171952.21416f8n0grl153c@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 16:05:34 +0000 (UTC) kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com schrieb: > Quoting Anders Bergdahl : >> >> Cool and great sounding stuff.. very interesting melodies. >> Btw - how do you achieve a 14tet synth? I would love to break out of >> the 12tet limitations..Any more info on you modular? >> A great listen.. thanks, >> Anders >> > > This is easy to do on an analog synthesizer. On some digital > synthesizers, one can control the "Cents per step" to change the > "Cents per step" to 85 (1200/14) to enable 14-tet. Very belated comment on that, but: A synth family that does that in a very flexible fashion is everything E-mu based on the EIII architecture (afaik, EIII, Proteus and every synth or sampler after that). Here, you can assign a pitch to every MIDI note over the entire range of the synthesizer in several user-defined tunings. It also comes with several presets, some of which are not 12/octave (e.g. 19 per octave). Apart from that, I have to admit that I don't know which other synthesizers offer this - I would assume the K2600 can do it (can it, Kevin?), but didn't check. The Nord Modular of course can (being a kinda-modular), the Q as far as I remember can't but for others: Wavestation? Virus? FS1R? Matrix? Prophecy? But this only goes to show that I don't know enough about my synthesizers... Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 25 05:02:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12B82183453; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 05:02:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=D8ZXDOh7w8vBf7340B3G/Gq/oS6DSMZz3QOX8Q0H0y0=; b=uop7C1YeKLzwkYDDm5qFFrGQ9xsN/l7GuD4mjmX2rqSYZmtJPxVskMY5FmBIW1TSdW o2R+dM0TH9SwvGiFYQmR+W82T7z7u/1qxEiqbALo7UBefe1pcyFni0uWu/LCjcJhCLHA jrXVCQDFmhOeRgeXf9//WHqSyXTgkQWF5pxH76lNZVg8s/RTfzw8+UMPONFHRKkv8jxD 5OJWvfohSaM7IsSrlcfiwzo3PwRClzfMML4fr/KbOMp5zVImKQl0VGrEl4xsXH2nh9ap KkOgcHv9KxfqEwE7sgoHJV+SBKfC9SvG5g4uwHc/zz/A6QC0OJA6z6UZlHSZ5oF6Vk2H dzwg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 07:02:48 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Boomerang midi sync and how to check software version From: Torben Scharling To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04016c1b49451104bc0a2b85 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 05:02:50 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04016c1b49451104bc0a2b85 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey guys, I bought a used Rang lll a few weeks ago, from august 2011 - how do I check if the original owner or the guy I bought it from has installed version 2.1 or it's still on 2.0 ? More importantly, any news on midi sync from an external source? On thegearpage they discuss a late 2011 e-mail survey sent out from the guy running the company, to mailing list ppl, asking for input on what midi features the owners want.. I would love to be able to sync it up to my external soundcard and macbook, especially since I do a lot of online jamming via Ninjam, where metronome sync is pretty key.. So i plan on going live with a one-man show starting in April, and was hoping someone had info on this matter? (need to decide what to do in terms of setup and approach) Thanks :) --=20 De Bedste Hilsner / Best Regards Torben Scharling - Mobile: +45 61 66 60 09 - e-mail: ts@torbenscharling.com --f46d04016c1b49451104bc0a2b85 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey guys, I bought a used Rang lll a few weeks ago, from august 2011 - how = do I check if the original owner or the guy I bought it from has installed = version 2.1 or it's still on 2.0 ?

More importantly, any news on= midi sync from an external source? On thegearpage they discuss a late 2011= e-mail survey sent out from the guy running the company, to mailing list p= pl, asking for input on what midi features the owners want.. I would love t= o be able to sync it up to my external soundcard and macbook, especially si= nce I do a lot of online jamming via Ninjam, where metronome sync is pretty= key..

So i plan on going live with a one-man show starting in April, and was = hoping someone had info on this matter? (need to decide what to do in terms= of setup and approach)

Thanks :)

--
De Bedste Hilsn= er / Best Regards

Torben Scharling - Mobile:=A0+45 61 66 60 09 - e-mail:=A0ts@torbens= charling.com

<= /a>

--f46d04016c1b49451104bc0a2b85-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 25 08:17:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A0BE18345E; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 08:17:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_ed76ccf4-71a2-4149-b8c7-e4b34040a181_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.215.87] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Boomerang midi sync and how to check software version Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 08:17:02 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Mar 2012 08:17:02.0574 (UTC) FILETIME=[A85228E0:01CD0A5F] Resent-Message-ID: <2qVXFB.A.dU.AStbPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 08:17:05 +0000 (UTC) --_ed76ccf4-71a2-4149-b8c7-e4b34040a181_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good choice! Version 2.1 of the software allows you to control the decay ra= te with an expression pedal. So if you have such a pedal=2C try plugging it= in and give it a go. If you haven't=2C maybe you don't need the software u= pgrade anyway..I've emailed the company about MIDI sync but I guess the mor= e emails they get=2C the more likely it is to be implemented.Now you've rem= inded me=2C I think I'll ping off an email asking for a "straight into stac= k" option. A couple of people on this list are interested in this function. Good luck with the one man show.. G Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk Date: Sun=2C 25 Mar 2012 07:02:48 +0200 Subject: Boomerang midi sync and how to check software version From: torbenscharling@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Hey guys=2C I bought a used Rang lll a few weeks ago=2C from august 2011 - = how do I check if the original owner or the guy I bought it from has instal= led version 2.1 or it's still on 2.0 ? More importantly=2C any news on midi sync from an external source? On thege= arpage they discuss a late 2011 e-mail survey sent out from the guy running= the company=2C to mailing list ppl=2C asking for input on what midi featur= es the owners want.. I would love to be able to sync it up to my external s= oundcard and macbook=2C especially since I do a lot of online jamming via N= injam=2C where metronome sync is pretty key.. So i plan on going live with a one-man show starting in April=2C and was ho= ping someone had info on this matter? (need to decide what to do in terms o= f setup and approach)=20 Thanks :) --=20 De Bedste Hilsner / Best Regards Torben Scharling - Mobile: +45 61 66 60 09 - e-mail: ts@torbenscharling.com = --_ed76ccf4-71a2-4149-b8c7-e4b34040a181_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good choice! Version 2.1 of the software allows you to control the decay ra= te with an expression pedal. So if you have such a pedal=2C try plugging it= in and give it a go. If you haven't=2C maybe you don't need the software u= pgrade anyway..
I've emailed the company about MIDI sync but I guess th= e more emails they get=2C the more likely it is to be implemented.
Now you've reminded me=2C I think I'll ping off an email asking for a "st= raight into stack" option. A couple of people on this list are interested i= n this function.

Good luck with the one man show..=

G

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk=

= Date: Sun=2C 25 Mar 2012 07:02:48 +0200
Subject: Boomerang midi sync and= how to check software version
From: torbenscharling@gmail.com
To: Lo= opers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Hey guys=2C I bought a used Rang l= ll a few weeks ago=2C from august 2011 - how do I check if the original own= er or the guy I bought it from has installed version 2.1 or it's still on 2= .0 ?

More importantly=2C any news on midi sync from an external sour= ce? On thegearpage they discuss a late 2011 e-mail survey sent out from the= guy running the company=2C to mailing list ppl=2C asking for input on what= midi features the owners want.. I would love to be able to sync it up to m= y external soundcard and macbook=2C especially since I do a lot of online j= amming via Ninjam=2C where metronome sync is pretty key..

So i plan on going live with a one-man show starting in April=2C and wa= s hoping someone had info on this matter? (need to decide what to do in ter= ms of setup and approach)

Thanks :)

--
De Bedste Hil= sner / Best Regards

Torben Scharling - Mobile: =3B+45 61 66 60 09 - e-mail:&n= bsp=3Bts@torbenscharling= .com

= --_ed76ccf4-71a2-4149-b8c7-e4b34040a181_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 25 10:57:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 61978183460; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 10:57:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 743085230/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.26.70/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.26.70 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAPD4bk9YbRpG/2dsb2JhbAANN7syAQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAReHargUjgSDJASbPYpQgmiBWw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,315,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="743085230" Message-ID: <4F6EFA40.9060509@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 11:58:08 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boomerang midi sync and how to check software version References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 10:57:55 +0000 (UTC) Gareth Whittock wrote: > I've emailed the company about MIDI sync but I guess the more emails > they get, the more likely it is to be implemented. Syncing audio to external midi is undoubtedly one of the things that "takes longer to implement than you plan". This is doubly the case where you have a feedback control. :-( > Now you've reminded me, I think I'll ping off an email asking for a > "straight into stack" option. A couple of people on this list are > interested in this function. Why don't you ask for the simplest option: "hitting the Stack button during record ends the Record right away and puts you into Overdub(aka Stack)" Interesting how the different manufacturers work out different ways to control a looper...but strange that they often don't adopt the successful strategies that are within common usage. Rather than manufacturers and designers being protective of their own innovations it seems we often have the case that they end up ignoring the existing solutions. Perhaps that's just a sign that we're in a time of innovation regarding loop tech. Going straight into overdub( or not) by the user choosing which button to end the recording should surely be a "standard", it's been immediately successful with the DL4, EDP, Looperlative and (i think?) some of the Boss products. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 25 13:53:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8636183460; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 13:53:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_8fa4af00-b3d4-4926-a67b-c64c73896a56_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.215.87] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Boomerang midi sync and how to check software version Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 13:53:39 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4F6EFA40.9060509@tiscali.co.uk> References: ,<4F6EFA40.9060509@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Mar 2012 13:53:40.0635 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF4DAEB0:01CD0A8E] Resent-Message-ID: <-zzss.A.WSC.lNybPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 13:53:41 +0000 (UTC) --_8fa4af00-b3d4-4926-a67b-c64c73896a56_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good point. Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > Date: Sun=2C 25 Mar 2012 11:58:08 +0100 > From: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Boomerang midi sync and how to check software version >=20 > Gareth Whittock wrote: >=20 > > I've emailed the company about MIDI sync but I guess the more emails=20 > > they get=2C the more likely it is to be implemented. >=20 > Syncing audio to external midi is undoubtedly one of the=20 > things that "takes longer to implement than you plan". > This is doubly the case where you have a feedback control. >=20 > :-( >=20 > > Now you've reminded me=2C I think I'll ping off an email asking for a=20 > > "straight into stack" option. A couple of people on this list are=20 > > interested in this function. >=20 > Why don't you ask for the simplest option: > "hitting the Stack button during record ends the Record right away > and puts you into Overdub(aka Stack)" >=20 > Interesting how the different manufacturers work out different > ways to control a looper...but strange that they often don't > adopt the successful strategies that are within common usage. > Rather than manufacturers and designers being protective of their > own innovations it seems we often have the case that they end > up ignoring the existing solutions. > Perhaps that's just a sign that we're in a time of innovation > regarding loop tech. >=20 > Going straight into overdub( or not) by the user choosing which button > to end the recording should surely be a "standard"=2C it's been > immediately successful with the DL4=2C EDP=2C Looperlative and (i think?)= some > of the Boss products. >=20 >=20 >=20 > andy >=20 = --_8fa4af00-b3d4-4926-a67b-c64c73896a56_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good point.

Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk

>=3B Date: Sun=2C 25 Mar 2012 11:58:08= +0100
>=3B From: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight= @loopers-delight.com
>=3B Subject: Re: Boomerang midi sync and how to = check software version
>=3B
>=3B Gareth Whittock wrote:
>= =3B
>=3B >=3B I've emailed the company about MIDI sync but I guess = the more emails
>=3B >=3B they get=2C the more likely it is to be i= mplemented.
>=3B
>=3B Syncing audio to external midi is undoubte= dly one of the
>=3B things that "takes longer to implement than you p= lan".
>=3B This is doubly the case where you have a feedback control.<= br>>=3B
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>=3B >=3B Now you've reminded me= =2C I think I'll ping off an email asking for a
>=3B >=3B "straight= into stack" option. A couple of people on this list are
>=3B >=3B = interested in this function.
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>=3B Why don't you ask for the= simplest option:
>=3B "hitting the Stack button during record ends th= e Record right away
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&g= t=3B up ignoring the existing solutions.
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>=3B regarding loop tech.
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>=3B Going straight into overdub( or not) by the user choosing wh= ich button
>=3B to end the recording should surely be a "standard"=2C = it's been
>=3B immediately successful with the DL4=2C EDP=2C Looperlat= ive and (i think?) some
>=3B of the Boss products.
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>= =3B
>=3B
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= --_8fa4af00-b3d4-4926-a67b-c64c73896a56_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 25 14:35:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E73AC183460; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 14:35:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2928 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 14:35:01 UTC Message-ID: <4F6F219B.6000702@virgin.net> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 14:46:03 +0100 From: Dave Draper Reply-To: dh.draper@virgin.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Softstep woes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 2012.0.1913 [2114/4893] X-Originating-Smarthost03-IP: [82.69.58.35] Resent-Message-ID: <5OxdGC.A.anC.W0ybPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 14:35:02 +0000 (UTC) Hi all Don't know if anyone out there's thinking of buying a KMI 'Softstep' midi foot controller, but I'd advise strongly against it! I just managed to pull the flimsy USB socket off it's main board today whilst moving it!! Such a fragile design for something designed to be used on stage, together with those interference-inducing backlights (lights on: interference, lights off: no interference, and they keep claiming it's down to guitarists' poor earthing setups!), and their software which I gave up with & cobbled something together with Bidule instead.......I'm just mad at KMI's product & their cavalier attitude. And after 18 months it was due to go out on its second gig this wednesday (Brighton, Safehouse if anyone's down that way....). Guess I'll have to dig out the old JamMan, TimeMachine, etc etc. Dave :( ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4893 - Release Date: 03/25/12 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 25 16:14:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79091183464; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 16:14:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "BC" To: References: <4F6EFA40.9060509@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4F6EFA40.9060509@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: RE: Boomerang midi sync and how to check software version Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 12:14:41 -0400 Message-ID: <004201cd0aa2$633dd9f0$29b98dd0$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQDmeGYEJg8SevGDMc/+bpVDCfMDSwKmwrP2AdP1pQeYJHzC8A== Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120323-1, 03/23/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 16:14:44 +0000 (UTC) I've often wondered about this myself. We seem to be stuck in the "Bronze Age" because features and implementations that work beautifully are then completely left out of another manufacturer's next new device. Every time I look at a new looping device, I scratch my head wondering why they left out features that exist in other devices; hence we're stuck in a period of unnecessarily slow growth. -----Original Message----- From: andy butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] Interesting how the different manufacturers work out different ways to control a looper...but strange that they often don't adopt the successful strategies that are within common usage. Rather than manufacturers and designers being protective of their own innovations it seems we often have the case that they end up ignoring the existing solutions. Perhaps that's just a sign that we're in a time of innovation regarding loop tech. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 25 17:50:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72B1B183461; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 17:50:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 743155516/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.179.233/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.179.233 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAC9ab09V0rPp/2dsb2JhbAANN7s1AQEEOEARLBYPCQMCAQIBRRwBwASOBIMkBJs9ilCCaA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,316,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="743155516" Message-ID: <4F6F5AEF.7010601@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 18:50:39 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? References: <4F6EFA40.9060509@tiscali.co.uk> <004201cd0aa2$633dd9f0$29b98dd0$@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <004201cd0aa2$633dd9f0$29b98dd0$@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 17:50:26 +0000 (UTC) following the conversation that developed on the Boomerang thread. ...just a rough sketch for comment, and keeping in mind that no one feature set is right for everybody. (and forgetting for the moment that almost any delay unit can be pressed into looping usage) The features that every looper has 1) Record 2) Overdub 3) Erase The features that are very commonly desirable, but could be left out and still leave a satisfying piece of kit. Depends a lot on the amount of floor space unit will take up. 1) Reverse 2) Speed change 3) Stereo 4) Midi sync 5) Volume on loop(s) 6) Undo/Redo The features that get left out, but really shouldn't 1) Option of going straight into Overdub 2) Feedback control (at least during Overdub) 3) Seamlessly re-record a loop ...(so unsupported that it's importance is underestimated) 4) Multiply ( or 2 or more loops to allow you to achieve it) 5) Stop/Start The features that add usefulness, but not at the expense of essentials. 1) Substitute/Replace 2) Insert 3) Configurable Quantise 4) Alternate Outputs ...well that's enough from me...what do you all think? andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 25 20:10:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2CB6183464; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 20:10:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=mGki8oezq5JdkId5LZfgpwQRhnjFcr2g3Nm9rOsCo9I=; b=ZlefZFgOHogEBy78SOSkFcpAowylEBz0UbYYDXL8cufyS0cvYAoHF56g3MKWentQM3 wXzIFBaNm9/K1pfJrdTRivwcQnG2GWqCuPdYiDjeg4eiDe/2/wHUUe1SD26Wy+miRqh1 /lhLGnMQ893H75RF3KywG3DN3yF8nIg/YSdg2VMvALpeh51g251vTEOVJ2ghqCv8+Wo5 lSICAib3UhV3ibaPm0UD9L3tQ/STuCbmWKuTiM+2fbBQSY2K+kU+zQxvRh7MZWPufJ7t 0MngShIVseUFT0JM4+xt68kk7w8e3vJYAD8Lxld/SwsfX3a+ribw6ocY9NXCcfIcP8fA Mxfw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F6F5AEF.7010601@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4F6EFA40.9060509@tiscali.co.uk> <004201cd0aa2$633dd9f0$29b98dd0$@comcast.net> <4F6F5AEF.7010601@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 22:10:31 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 20:10:32 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 7:50 PM, andy butler wrote: > ...well that's enough from me...what do you all think? - I would like to also see speed shift at any half-tone intervals. - Even happier I would be to also have continuous speed shifting at hand. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 25 20:28:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C5E118345E; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 20:28:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 736973908/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.179.233/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.179.233 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsUDAI1+b09V0rPp/2dsb2JhbAANNYU/sVECAgIChB0BAQEEIxVAEQsYAgIFFgsCAgkDAgECAUUZAwGufZEGgS+MVYIMgRgEmz2KUIJo X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,316,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="736973908" Message-ID: <4F6F8004.3080505@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 21:28:52 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? References: <4F6EFA40.9060509@tiscali.co.uk> <004201cd0aa2$633dd9f0$29b98dd0$@comcast.net> <4F6F5AEF.7010601@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 20:28:38 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 7:50 PM, andy butler wrote: >> ...well that's enough from me...what do you all think? > > - I would like to also see speed shift at any half-tone intervals. > - Even happier I would be to also have continuous speed shifting at hand. Well sure, I like those too. ...would you imagine a manufacturer dumb for not offering them? andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 25 20:31:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FA8518345E; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 20:31:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_9965cb46-7a26-4a27-b977-ca8383f1e44d_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.215.87] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 20:31:47 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4F6F8004.3080505@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4F6EFA40.9060509@tiscali.co.uk> <004201cd0aa2$633dd9f0$29b98dd0$@comcast.net> <4F6F5AEF.7010601@tiscali.co.uk> ,<4F6F8004.3080505@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Mar 2012 20:31:47.0584 (UTC) FILETIME=[4D08D800:01CD0AC6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 20:31:48 +0000 (UTC) --_9965cb46-7a26-4a27-b977-ca8383f1e44d_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My big bugbear is the lack of a feedback control on what seem to be otherwi= se excellent loopers - I like the option of layers falling away under what = I'm currently up to.=20 g Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > Date: Sun=2C 25 Mar 2012 21:28:52 +0100 > From: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid t= o leave out? >=20 >=20 >=20 > Per Boysen wrote: > > On Sun=2C Mar 25=2C 2012 at 7:50 PM=2C andy butler wrote: > >> ...well that's enough from me...what do you all think? > >=20 > > - I would like to also see speed shift at any half-tone intervals. > > - Even happier I would be to also have continuous speed shifting at han= d. >=20 > Well sure=2C I like those too. >=20 > ...would you imagine a manufacturer dumb > for not offering them? >=20 >=20 >=20 > andy >=20 >=20 = --_9965cb46-7a26-4a27-b977-ca8383f1e44d_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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= --_9965cb46-7a26-4a27-b977-ca8383f1e44d_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 25 20:59:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3093518345E; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 20:59:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=+kHDbh8oyiIbaaxM/G3+1Pm2aP/Ar/Oo5wk6Pou+/n4=; b=N8fN89rlBJx5+cl1qgr9WxX1spFrra8Wq4HbLHmchEupowb35pI2aMJ96AW3zlomlW boXtlPg2xNzYqAxlBavwFvQ/d6JKskjiy4McMSdCjyY+p3akXMyycAwo9RpV4Q02Xl/P xx0GJCNbRI8ycSrXrXR8JrBO9SdvuNA1i04qiA4N0NoSOz2fick9rLcHcje68rfy60QY iPk1kKoc52Nbcrm+qvcbE/LZMO1rwiOODDT0sQ9kOBJpC0hDfysAcB5OhxfY9fiLUlHq ZI2XdHcngTIzAZ+T2qQsIhCkON/FzjncKCEX0FWF1WEyZlfwbA9+XK2VoSlgQzplhkx8 nArg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F6F8004.3080505@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4F6EFA40.9060509@tiscali.co.uk> <004201cd0aa2$633dd9f0$29b98dd0$@comcast.net> <4F6F5AEF.7010601@tiscali.co.uk> <4F6F8004.3080505@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 22:59:33 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 20:59:33 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 10:28 PM, andy butler wrote: > ...would you imagine a manufacturer dumb > for not offering them? Well, "dumb" could be an accurate description for some but maybe not in all cases. I would most definitely say that it shows a flagrant lack of market research! On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 10:31 PM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > I like the option of layers falling away under what I'm currently up to. That's a cool thing I haven't thought of! I guess you mean a setting by the preferences where you tell the looper to start deleting old layers after a defined number. Very, very useful! Let me subscribe to this idea! Imagine playing knowing that you will always be keeping exactly four layers - that's powerful! A kind of extended version of running an EDP at setting "Feedback = 0" (Where you are playing against what you played in the previous round). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 25 21:25:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3625183464; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 21:25:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=ibQeNDyyVBiveJQAc6/Ae8EzANFgYBqpubFIm3zD5+o=; b=VtmVSFE0alyvViEdnXhp3IKMOalkuIxuEBBq5O3XI/hEjfI6S4QUhr/DC0kZx+at8t 5IDmcZzsIz/+psUp7tJkHQp5nKXO0IauW4bXG9DrV8a18i1F5xJQb0c/SAoiIWvg/DHJ 1v1+SuO+4xiRlMbhqcglSl7n1kNZYtGCGUM+rftQMnmJKR6MZT1hANerytf+qJ0ICXU/ 4xkT87H/hI+e27cCkAfkRNONYjuxM3Y9y3+3x4iw1ttkM36OpEe4nz6SdPasbXTqZQnk WVmYbjSn4CjNbbWbCpsYRqHIHfgZejd4S45JZqY+dXV5PnQDk1emmjP7HEZXngUkB67e SYMw== References: <4F6EFA40.9060509@tiscali.co.uk> <004201cd0aa2$633dd9f0$29b98dd0$@comcast.net> <4F6F5AEF.7010601@tiscali.co.uk> <4F6F8004.3080505@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 23:25:51 +0200 Message-ID: <6104393593187669431@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 21:25:54 +0000 (UTC) I would like Divide. If we can have Multiply, why not? I dont mean UN-multipying by the way (like EDP) I mean halving of the original loop. AFAIK mobius is the only software to offer it. and Repeater is the only hardware, (repeater calls it Trim however, so divide isnt coveret term, but the effect can be achieved. m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 25 22:05:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C245C183453; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 22:05:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=M0x4wEI94qghNTIPchzugJY3+i4kMhirOSuN0Fa0rkQ=; b=uEeX9ln+cZTOouEB0ZkMBvCA8D99I9FZq6GHg3MQF2hjvKYhLsHBhN19Kf0dTi/Xbj WHd1X63oftZQdFuztgVHU7nlk3EJvAqp9WnaVu1TaATXkvdi30lVD8Ys0MtPTww91JU7 guaMVBbX7tgNsanhOJgLlzs+vs9tqAJzm5OCLz4e7aETcvCxIGR2VgDWM+KPwqVbn4xq 5Zx0MrZeejtOiODyFHi/3/12Yip3DhCquXF9c8mH77hYmw+4FUHf97Kf6HoAP95s7lSB vtUsFsiaSQrMeVxy1nhpk3QwH+WLf+C/f1sV5E7/NvTZQRksOHMbcfPR1ECQVEWfk58R Frmg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6104393593187669431@unknownmsgid> References: <4F6EFA40.9060509@tiscali.co.uk> <004201cd0aa2$633dd9f0$29b98dd0$@comcast.net> <4F6F5AEF.7010601@tiscali.co.uk> <4F6F8004.3080505@tiscali.co.uk> <6104393593187669431@unknownmsgid> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:05:20 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 22:05:20 +0000 (UTC) For loopists that uses the looper to set the tempo - at a sync master position - some kind of tempo rounding is a must. Mobius has a good way to do this; it lets the user set minimal and maximal allowed tempo. If the first loop created implies a tempo that falls outside the set limits this calculated tempo is divided or multiplied until it falls inside the allowed tempo range. This way the musician can start out a session either with a super short loop or a very long loop and still get a decent tempo for slaved effects, slicing algorithms etc. As far as I imagine one can simply look at the Mobius feature spec's and add continuous speed/rate shifting for good looper standard. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 11:25 PM, mark francombe wrote: > I would like Divide. > If we can have Multiply, why not? > I dont mean UN-multipying by the way (like EDP) I mean halving of the > original loop. > AFAIK mobius is the only software to offer it. =C2=A0and Repeater is the > only hardware, (repeater calls it Trim however, so divide isnt coveret > term, but the effect can be achieved. > > m > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 25 22:19:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1FB018345E; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 22:19:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Phil Clevenger Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Footswitch Enquiry Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 15:19:35 -0700 Message-Id: <85CFAA74-82CF-403B-A76A-658D5F4CF629@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Authenticated-User: 59682 phil@philclevenger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 22:19:37 +0000 (UTC) Hey delightful loopers -=20 Anyone have a recommendation for a replacement for my Boss FS-6 dual = footswitch? It's the only battery-sucking piece in my whole setup and it's starting = to piss me off... there is no PSU option for it at all. I know Mr. Bill Walker has a nice, and small, piece from the = Loop-Masters people, but I am loathe to get on a 6 month waitlist for = them to build it... been there done that ;) Other thoughts? Phil :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 25 22:40:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BC55183460; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 22:40:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=d70qi7Yp4sOSVkHVDtWoP/S1qDnzbmb866yCmTvxU+s=; b=XZ+PikfoyTp+iDMaEaFnq+6frm8cfOjJvsRldZIQteoQNyarhHXZBn12/S365yf2v0 nOWwz2c8Ht6vdjiosLcyApmsCCZ6PPbmZMddWvjI2v9aZKTfaxRIyZP6VerchjQaj4xS zaXdbf8xnD0O6g/lk28k5XAFqM6rd+bfNKlm1FcttMcyLCAfBSatwxg7sQFzaMFq8CKZ PzdxLNIU/jdQgW4+sqJavhrv4Q4uk7e+ACPOVS7SQUwRnWHD5VTbZEKMn1wNq0yzVt/n aMmCDlsQC2GLciWFCeIVzeWwhkHchLceqZervAMvGianBjxcTtLxZRDqqt0c0JBtj4H4 f5DA== Message-ID: <4F6F9EE3.20502@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:40:35 +0200 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120312 Thunderbird/11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? References: <4F6EFA40.9060509@tiscali.co.uk> <004201cd0aa2$633dd9f0$29b98dd0$@comcast.net> <4F6F5AEF.7010601@tiscali.co.uk> <4F6F8004.3080505@tiscali.co.uk> <6104393593187669431@unknownmsgid> In-Reply-To: <6104393593187669431@unknownmsgid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 22:40:39 +0000 (UTC) Am 25.03.2012 23:25, schrieb mark francombe: > I would like Divide. > If we can have Multiply, why not? > I dont mean UN-multipying by the way (like EDP) I mean halving of the > original loop. > AFAIK mobius is the only software to offer it. and Repeater is the > only hardware, (repeater calls it Trim however, so divide isnt coveret > term, but the effect can be achieved. Now I feel kinda stupid, because I seem to remember that you're a long-time EDP user and I'm not, but: the Mobius Divide (Repeater Trim) is the inversion (so to speak) of the Mobius Instant Multiply (Repeater: Multiply), which afaik is not available on the EDP (?). However, on the EDP, ending a multiply with record gives you the possibility to cut the loop in half (or other fractions)? I know I did this a lot with SusMultiply, albeit with Mobius, but some of the works of e.g. LaFosse and Willers sound like they do just this using an EDP. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 25 22:54:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF9F1183460; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 22:54:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=hV9V1FRlImLUilQwMrujaovrxJnZpgED6TDMI2rQG88=; b=UauFwQzBJOfYhL7a+iUx2sFPtt102rtMHUQ4MNftbO7te5vc0qzfjscexYZAZVHuoX O7iJ9cfkkuRcFJmfWjezFmPsY3SBH/suow9luj+7B5v0vxkNQV/wfwFL4BROc8Gi55dr KHMqRmjfX8GtR+cvEqMvaXdkbSxz6C1fxEoBCbqalJth1EdSbmQ2Ndy8mIuHW5jwU7FY eGqEwToskMk0W2Ij7V2ung+rVifg5mTjQ5S43vZgxhPIUSZyS5UEQv7TzzHllsYhupnj lssDGhBEhs/wDhq/xM+grTDQsCcDnamb8DyQGGvCob524Fv1V/iaoBNUjKT0IFcfExPh fp2g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4F6F9EE3.20502@googlemail.com> References: <4F6EFA40.9060509@tiscali.co.uk> <004201cd0aa2$633dd9f0$29b98dd0$@comcast.net> <4F6F5AEF.7010601@tiscali.co.uk> <4F6F8004.3080505@tiscali.co.uk> <6104393593187669431@unknownmsgid> <4F6F9EE3.20502@googlemail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:53:45 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: dOZZgTI-JXe-UpqlDmF2zrKfwKs Message-ID: Subject: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4efe28e887346204bc19226a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 22:54:07 +0000 (UTC) --e0cb4efe28e887346204bc19226a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 OK that mult record ending on edp IS a kind of divide, true! But you are def risking going off synch then huh? Cos its down to a foot timing... the divides IM TALKING BOUT.. Repeater Trim and Mobius Divide, is a exact division of your original loop... You can of course get simerla SOUNDING effects with the EDP.. How about ending record with multiply... then you have 2 cycles that sounds like 1 loop, but you can divide it. Or my fave, ending record with next loop 6 times. But these are just more reasons why EDP is best looper in the world ever for me (wink).. Hasnt got proper divide though! Mobius you can keep dividing tll all you have is a buzz... Repeater is not SO friendly, but you can get a tiny bleep.... but to be in synch its probably 1 beat, to get smaller, you will not be staying in synch... nice thing with repeater is that then you can "window" (to steal a EDP term) through the loop with that divide size... (or rather trim size) M On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 12:40 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill < moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote: > Am 25.03.2012 23:25, schrieb mark francombe: > > I would like Divide. >> If we can have Multiply, why not? >> I dont mean UN-multipying by the way (like EDP) I mean halving of the >> original loop. >> AFAIK mobius is the only software to offer it. and Repeater is the >> only hardware, (repeater calls it Trim however, so divide isnt coveret >> term, but the effect can be achieved. >> > Now I feel kinda stupid, because I seem to remember that you're a > long-time EDP user and I'm not, but: > the Mobius Divide (Repeater Trim) is the inversion (so to speak) of the > Mobius Instant Multiply (Repeater: Multiply), which afaik is not available > on the EDP (?). > However, on the EDP, ending a multiply with record gives you the > possibility to cut the loop in half (or other fractions)? I know I did this > a lot with SusMultiply, albeit with Mobius, but some of the works of e.g. > LaFosse and Willers sound like they do just this using an EDP. > > Rainer > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --e0cb4efe28e887346204bc19226a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK that mult record ending on edp IS a kind of divide, true!

But you= are def risking going off synch then huh? Cos its down to a foot timing...= the divides IM TALKING BOUT.. Repeater Trim and Mobius Divide, is a exact = division of your original loop... You can of course get simerla SOUNDING ef= fects with the EDP.. How about ending record with multiply... then you have= 2 cycles that sounds like 1 loop, but you can divide it.
Or my fave, ending record with next loop 6 times. But these are just more r= easons why EDP is best looper in the world ever for me (wink)..

Hasn= t got proper divide though!

Mobius you can keep dividing tll all you= have is a buzz... Repeater is not SO friendly, but you can get a tiny blee= p.... but to be in synch its probably 1 beat, to get smaller, you will not = be staying in synch... nice thing with repeater is that then you can "= window" (to steal a EDP term) through the loop with that divide size..= . (or rather trim size)

M

On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 12:40 A= M, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com> wro= te:

Am 25.03.2012 23:25, schrieb mark francomb= e:

I would like Divide.
If we can have Multiply, why not?
I dont mean UN-multipying by the way (like EDP) I mean halving of the
original loop.
AFAIK mobius is the only software to offer it. =A0and Repeater is the
only hardware, (repeater calls it Trim however, so divide isnt coveret
term, but the effect can be achieved.

Now I feel kinda stupid, because I seem to remember that you're a long-= time EDP user and I'm not, but:
the Mobius Divide (Repeater Trim) is the inversion (so to speak) of the Mob= ius Instant Multiply (Repeater: Multiply), which afaik is not available on = the EDP (?).
However, on the EDP, ending a multiply with record gives you the possibilit= y to cut the loop in half (or other fractions)? I know I did this a lot wit= h SusMultiply, albeit with Mobius, but some of the works of e.g. LaFosse an= d Willers sound like they do just this using an EDP.=

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Rainer

--
= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--e0cb4efe28e887346204bc19226a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 25 23:00:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDD27183460; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 23:00:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=YN+vYatiAGIQBYfZlohauxwJaBU3QBhSeVp3tfPevGA=; b=EABbUiRv3BOb0PT90UB6arHCoPyz5LwZpsHC+XRdNJ9txMmEwv2p3V0nxGMaWuEa62 WiXV6nd2ROfrKQ5It4ZtJpp/dsujBPjZqF7g2Xz8c06PI9dasnYachh2hMg8FnDzXQBI YXB3ofnRSU8754k3elPjSS0gG3Z9+fl/4MuA7xKvg9a19xi3G3u9zI6XaB5mrVJqAUJh HB1EWAevx+kWghQFUYCLKAsdLn4tQk3iCG+gMYzwJUveYSHgip8YA54eLSDw5U5TjKwj SW29/fWe6YNp3maVAB0nVE/3Q/q+QZdpyxMqBhl1XBqC5TXiKbKe/8Srpi38i7bfaHAF QIjA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <85CFAA74-82CF-403B-A76A-658D5F4CF629@gmail.com> References: <85CFAA74-82CF-403B-A76A-658D5F4CF629@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 19:00:43 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Footswitch Enquiry From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f503c5836ce0104bc193afd Resent-Message-ID: <5-owAB.A.4SH.cO6bPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 23:00:44 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f503c5836ce0104bc193afd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey Phil, I replaced my FS-5 that went bad and built switches for all kinds of gear using parts from Radio Shack. Just a small plastic box, a 1/4 in jack and a momentary button. I believe the FS-6 just uses batteries for the lights although it won't work if the batt goes dead. Depending on the app any normally on or off momentary (depending) should work to do what you want. So a 1/4 stereo jack, two momentary buttons and a box = cheap! Jeff On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > Hey delightful loopers - > > Anyone have a recommendation for a replacement for my Boss FS-6 dual > footswitch? > > It's the only battery-sucking piece in my whole setup and it's starting to > piss me off... there is no PSU option for it at all. > > I know Mr. Bill Walker has a nice, and small, piece from the Loop-Masters > people, but I am loathe to get on a 6 month waitlist for them to build > it... been there done that ;) > > Other thoughts? > > Phil :) > > > --e89a8f503c5836ce0104bc193afd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Phil, I replaced my FS-5 that went bad and built switches for all kinds= of gear using parts from Radio Shack. Just a small plastic box, a 1/4 in j= ack and a momentary button. I believe the FS-6 just uses batteries for the = lights although it won't work if the batt goes dead. Depending on the a= pp any normally on or off momentary (depending) should work to do what you = want. So a 1/4 stereo jack, two momentary buttons and a box =3D cheap!

Jeff

On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 6:19 PM,= Phil Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey delightful loopers -

Anyone have a recommendation for a replacement for my Boss FS-6 dual footsw= itch?

It's the only battery-sucking piece in my whole setup and it's star= ting to piss me off... there is no PSU option for it at all.

I know Mr. Bill Walker has a nice, and small, piece from the Loop-Masters p= eople, but I am loathe to get on a 6 month waitlist for them to build it...= been there done that ;)

Other thoughts?

Phil :)

--e89a8f503c5836ce0104bc193afd-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 25 23:34:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24ECA183460; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 23:34:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Boomerang midi sync and how to check software version From: Mark Hamburg In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 16:34:10 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: ,<4F6EFA40.9060509@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <5tDnPB.A.1pH.0t6bPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 23:34:13 +0000 (UTC) I've been in lots of exchanges with Mike Nelson about how to implement = Record into Stack. The problem on the Boomerang is that the function = buttons distinguish between a tap and a hold and hence one can't just = talk about "hitting stack" if you want to do so with any degree of = precision. On the other hand, there are a range of other options that could = potentially be used. For example, invoking stack and then picking an = empty loop button could start recording into that loop and would go into = stack when hitting the button again to end recording. (Actually, what I = really want here is: End Tap (down) -> Close the loop, stack at 0% decay (feedback =3D = 100% for everyone else) End Tap (up - short press) -> Stack at current decay rate End Tap (up - long press) -> Play That way you can get the equivalent of EDP safe mode for capturing = things like delay trails or go into a steady layering. As I recall, the behavior this ends up breaking is tied to some special = logic when Stack and Erase are on the same button. I personally think = that tradeoff is probably worth it. For loopers in general, the other behavior I have been thinking would be = nice while trying to limit the number of extra buttons is to say that a = long press while going into stack/overdub would mean multiply and the = next tap would take one into stack/overdub and thence to play. (This = doesn't really work on the Boomerang in serial style because of the dual = function buttons.) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Mar 25 23:56:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92EE0183461; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 23:56:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <27035371-F491-425F-94AD-6EEEEF93F99E@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6-77790859 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Footswitch Enquiry Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 16:56:32 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <2WRgtD.A.42H.4C7bPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 23:56:40 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6-77790859 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know Mr. Bill Walker has a nice, and small, piece from the Loop- Masters people, but I am loathe to get on a 6 month waitlist for them to build it... been there done that ;) Actually Phil my nice loopmaster footswitch did not work properly with my Little Giant after its recent software upgrade until I had my local tech isolate the grounds on both switches which cost me extra money, the other thing annoying about them is though momentary in operation, they have an audible and physical click when being depressed. at this point I'd suggest two boss FS-u switches that can be attached to each other via the slick rail couplers on the sides. I have a bunch of those FSU's who's switches finally wore out but I'm tempted to order some tack switches and revive them, as they worked flawlessly for many years and are sturdy of build and relatively quit mechanically. As you can tell I'm a little over Loop master, I have a splitter box that suffers from the same problem and its lack of ground isolation caused me to think my stomp box overdrives were self oscillating until I realized it it was the loopmaster splitter box that was causing the issue. I also bought a stutter bomb from him that has that same shitty click-ity click switch in it that my 2 button foot switch has, at some point I will replace it with a smoother feeling switch so that it doesn't sound like a cricket is in the room when i use it. grumble grumble Bill --Apple-Mail-6-77790859 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know Mr. Bill Walker has = a nice, and small, piece from the Loop-Masters people, but I am loathe = to get on a 6 month waitlist for them to build it... been there done = that ;)
Actually Phil my = nice loopmaster footswitch did not work properly with my Little Giant = after its recent software upgrade until I had my local tech isolate the = grounds on both switches which cost me extra money, the other thing = annoying about them is though momentary in operation, they have an = audible and physical click when being depressed. at this point I'd = suggest two boss FS-u switches that can be attached to each other via = the slick rail couplers on the sides. I have a bunch of those FSU's = who's switches finally wore out but I'm tempted to order some tack = switches and revive them, as they worked flawlessly for many years = and are sturdy of build and relatively quit mechanically. As you can = tell I'm a little over Loop master, I have a splitter box that suffers = from the same problem and its lack of ground isolation caused me to = think my stomp box overdrives were self oscillating until I realized it = it was the loopmaster splitter box that was causing the issue. I also = bought a stutter bomb from him that has that same shitty click-ity click = switch in it that my 2 button foot switch has, at some point I = will replace it with a smoother feeling switch so that it doesn't sound = like a cricket is in the room when i use it.
grumble grumble
Bill
= --Apple-Mail-6-77790859-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 00:04:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE8B018345D; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:04:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F6FB281.4050003@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 17:04:17 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andy butler CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? References: <4F6F5AEF.7010601@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4F6F5AEF.7010601@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:04:25 +0000 (UTC) There are several things I wish they would add (and we're trying to remedy some of this stuff with the LP-1 and the eventual LP-3 (on the drawing boards, as we speak) These are suggestions for multi-track loopers which, I realize are more high end units: This would be the LP-1, the RC300, the coming Evo Looping, et. al. 1) immediate switching of tracks as one overdubs so that all overdubs can automatically go to a separate track to then be muted/multiplied/sliced and diced, et. al. 2) The ability to simultaneously record an intial track to ALL tracks of a multi track looper so that, say, an initial percussion track, could be copied to all tracks so that verse, chorus and bridge iterations would automatically have that track underneath them. This would radically speed up the ability to do more complex song forms. Most artists eschew anything but A/B song forms because it takes so long to build a track in front of an audience. 3) This next suggestion is not one that people are dumb for not including as it is probably wouldn't be used by that many people, but to be able to incorporate the AKAI MPC paradigm for manipulating syncrhonized samples in real time would be awesome on a looper. To be able to retrigger tracks so that, whereever you were in a song, the thing you retriggered could be done with musical values (1/8, 1/12, 1/16, 1/24, 1/32, 1/48, 1/64 so that when you lifted your foot on a momentary switch that loop would still be in the same place in the loop musically, speaking. The wonderful VST program StutterEdit has this capability. There are many more in my head but the coffee hasn't kicked into gear yet. Oh, and I so agree with Andy about Divide. I used to love the function in the EDP that let you divide the loop further and further down to glitchy goodness with a SUS command (brain fart: what was that called?) Rick Walker On 3/25/12 10:50 AM, andy butler wrote: > following the conversation that developed on the Boomerang thread. > > ...just a rough sketch for comment, and keeping in mind that no one > feature set is right for everybody. > > (and forgetting for the moment that almost any delay unit > can be pressed into looping usage) > > The features that every looper has > 1) Record > 2) Overdub > 3) Erase > > The features that are very commonly desirable, but could be left out > and still > leave a satisfying piece of kit. Depends a lot on the amount of floor > space > unit will take up. > 1) Reverse > 2) Speed change > 3) Stereo > 4) Midi sync > 5) Volume on loop(s) > 6) Undo/Redo > > > The features that get left out, but really shouldn't > 1) Option of going straight into Overdub > 2) Feedback control (at least during Overdub) > 3) Seamlessly re-record a loop ...(so unsupported that it's importance > is underestimated) > 4) Multiply ( or 2 or more loops to allow you to achieve it) > 5) Stop/Start > The features that add usefulness, but not at the expense of essentials. > 1) Substitute/Replace 2) Insert > 3) Configurable Quantise > 4) Alternate Outputs > > > ...well that's enough from me...what do you all think? > > andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 00:15:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3BC018345D; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:15:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <873C2958-77CF-407C-A069-F70327D7E71E@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 17:14:55 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:15:01 +0000 (UTC) Andy, Your list is pretty much in alignment with what I would want. For a single channel looper, variable feedback is a must, and for me multiply would be a second must feature. so i can create an initial short first loop and extend its length if i want too. I use track speed manipulation a lot and the ability to start from half speed before recording the first loop is something of a must for me as well, though I probably could find a work around. i've gotten addicted to using quantize replace but thats a pretty rarefied feature that I don't expect though am happy to use and abuse. I've come to rely on midi sync so that my looper and my delays can line up. i use reverse a lot so thats pretty essential as well. Hopefully someday someone will consult with me to create the greatest looper man has ever known. until that day i'll just use other peoples stuff and complain about it 8^) Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 00:40:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74931183461; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:40:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Phil Clevenger Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-80446169 Subject: Re: Footswitch Enquiry Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 17:40:47 -0700 In-Reply-To: <27035371-F491-425F-94AD-6EEEEF93F99E@baymoon.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <27035371-F491-425F-94AD-6EEEEF93F99E@baymoon.com> Message-Id: <53C3DB37-085F-4B60-A740-8E9D431B0F36@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Authenticated-User: 59682 phil@philclevenger.com Resent-Message-ID: <_7oi.A.0c.Ts7bPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:40:51 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4-80446169 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bill, those switches still require batteries it seems :( Still looking :) On Mar 25, 2012, at 4:56 PM, William Walker wrote: > I know Mr. Bill Walker has a nice, and small, piece from the = Loop-Masters people, but I am loathe to get on a 6 month waitlist for = them to build it... been there done that ;) >=20 > Actually Phil my nice loopmaster footswitch did not work properly = with my Little Giant after its recent software upgrade until I had my = local tech isolate the grounds on both switches which cost me extra = money, the other thing annoying about them is though momentary in = operation, they have an audible and physical click when being depressed. = at this point I'd suggest two boss FS-u switches that can be attached to = each other via the slick rail couplers on the sides. I have a bunch of = those FSU's who's switches finally wore out but I'm tempted to order = some tack switches and revive them, as they worked flawlessly for many = years and are sturdy of build and relatively quit mechanically. As you = can tell I'm a little over Loop master, I have a splitter box that = suffers from the same problem and its lack of ground isolation caused me = to think my stomp box overdrives were self oscillating until I realized = it it was the loopmaster splitter box that was causing the issue. I also = bought a stutter bomb from him that has that same shitty click-ity click = switch in it that my 2 button foot switch has, at some point I will = replace it with a smoother feeling switch so that it doesn't sound like = a cricket is in the room when i use it. > grumble grumble > Bill --Apple-Mail-4-80446169 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Bill, = those switches still require batteries it seems = :(

Still looking = :)

On Mar 25, 2012, at 4:56 PM, = William Walker wrote:

I know Mr. Bill Walker has = a nice, and small, piece from the Loop-Masters people, but I am loathe = to get on a 6 month waitlist for them to build it... been there done = that ;)
Actually Phil my = nice loopmaster footswitch did not work properly with my Little Giant = after its recent software upgrade until I had my local tech isolate the = grounds on both switches which cost me extra money, the other thing = annoying about them is though momentary in operation, they have an = audible and physical click when being depressed. at this point I'd = suggest two boss FS-u switches that can be attached to each other via = the slick rail couplers on the sides. I have a bunch of those FSU's = who's switches finally wore out but I'm tempted to order some tack = switches and revive them, as they worked flawlessly for many years = and are sturdy of build and relatively quit mechanically. As you can = tell I'm a little over Loop master, I have a splitter box that suffers = from the same problem and its lack of ground isolation caused me to = think my stomp box overdrives were self oscillating until I realized it = it was the loopmaster splitter box that was causing the issue. I also = bought a stutter bomb from him that has that same shitty click-ity click = switch in it that my 2 button foot switch has, at some point I = will replace it with a smoother feeling switch so that it doesn't sound = like a cricket is in the room when i use it.
grumble grumble
Bill

= --Apple-Mail-4-80446169-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 00:51:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C329183460; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:51:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? From: Mark Hamburg In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 17:51:29 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <977B1B1C-4F25-4935-B220-61E86B502A78@grubmah.com> References: <4F6EFA40.9060509@tiscali.co.uk> <004201cd0aa2$633dd9f0$29b98dd0$@comcast.net> <4F6F5AEF.7010601@tiscali.co.uk> <4F6F8004.3080505@tiscali.co.uk> <6104393593187669431@unknownmsgid> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:51:35 +0000 (UTC) Absolutely. Mark On Mar 25, 2012, at 3:05 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > For loopists that uses the looper to set the tempo - at a sync master > position - some kind of tempo rounding is a must. Mobius has a good > way to do this; it lets the user set minimal and maximal allowed > tempo. If the first loop created implies a tempo that falls outside > the set limits this calculated tempo is divided or multiplied until it > falls inside the allowed tempo range. This way the musician can start > out a session either with a super short loop or a very long loop and > still get a decent tempo for slaved effects, slicing algorithms etc. > > As far as I imagine one can simply look at the Mobius feature spec's > and add continuous speed/rate shifting for good looper standard. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 11:25 PM, mark francombe > wrote: >> I would like Divide. >> If we can have Multiply, why not? >> I dont mean UN-multipying by the way (like EDP) I mean halving of the >> original loop. >> AFAIK mobius is the only software to offer it. and Repeater is the >> only hardware, (repeater calls it Trim however, so divide isnt coveret >> term, but the effect can be achieved. >> >> m >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 01:02:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8D1518345E; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 01:02:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Phil Clevenger Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-81752062 Subject: Re: Footswitch Enquiry Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 18:02:33 -0700 In-Reply-To: <27035371-F491-425F-94AD-6EEEEF93F99E@baymoon.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <27035371-F491-425F-94AD-6EEEEF93F99E@baymoon.com> Message-Id: <074FFD5C-DC80-4BDD-8910-30072612EEFE@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Authenticated-User: 59682 phil@philclevenger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 01:02:35 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5-81752062 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii So, for me the requirements for a footswitch are: 1) Cannot require batteries. 2) Must not have attached cable. On the low rent side, I see this one from Hosa: = http://www.hosatech.com/product/0/FSC-385/_/Footswitch%2C_Guitar-style%2C_= Dual-latching Their stuff is usually crap but how good does a switch housing need to = be? And there seems to be a British 'loopmasters' kind of joint called = Bright Onion Pedals: http://www.brightonion.co.uk/dual-latching-footswitch-pedal/ They have the dual latching and a mini dual latching. Not costly but by = the time shipping is added, could be some ducats... Phil On Mar 25, 2012, at 4:56 PM, William Walker wrote: > I know Mr. Bill Walker has a nice, and small, piece from the = Loop-Masters people, but I am loathe to get on a 6 month waitlist for = them to build it... been there done that ;) >=20 > Actually Phil my nice loopmaster footswitch did not work properly = with my Little Giant after its recent software upgrade until I had my = local tech isolate the grounds on both switches which cost me extra = money, the other thing annoying about them is though momentary in = operation, they have an audible and physical click when being depressed. = at this point I'd suggest two boss FS-u switches that can be attached to = each other via the slick rail couplers on the sides. I have a bunch of = those FSU's who's switches finally wore out but I'm tempted to order = some tack switches and revive them, as they worked flawlessly for many = years and are sturdy of build and relatively quit mechanically. As you = can tell I'm a little over Loop master, I have a splitter box that = suffers from the same problem and its lack of ground isolation caused me = to think my stomp box overdrives were self oscillating until I realized = it it was the loopmaster splitter box that was causing the issue. I also = bought a stutter bomb from him that has that same shitty click-ity click = switch in it that my 2 button foot switch has, at some point I will = replace it with a smoother feeling switch so that it doesn't sound like = a cricket is in the room when i use it. > grumble grumble > Bill --Apple-Mail-5-81752062 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii So, = for me the requirements for a footswitch are:

1) = Cannot require batteries.
2) Must not have attached = cable.

On the low rent side, I see this one = from Hosa:
http://www.hosatech.com/product/0/FSC-385/_/Footswitch%= 2C_Guitar-style%2C_Dual-latching

Their = stuff is usually crap but how good does a switch housing need to = be?

And there seems to be a British = 'loopmasters' kind of joint called Bright Onion Pedals:
http= ://www.brightonion.co.uk/dual-latching-footswitch-pedal/
They have the dual latching and a mini dual latching. Not = costly but by the time shipping is added, could be some = ducats...

Phil

On Mar = 25, 2012, at 4:56 PM, William Walker wrote:

I know Mr. Bill Walker has = a nice, and small, piece from the Loop-Masters people, but I am loathe = to get on a 6 month waitlist for them to build it... been there done = that ;)

Actually Phil my = nice loopmaster footswitch did not work properly with my Little Giant = after its recent software upgrade until I had my local tech isolate the = grounds on both switches which cost me extra money, the other thing = annoying about them is though momentary in operation, they have an = audible and physical click when being depressed. at this point I'd = suggest two boss FS-u switches that can be attached to each other via = the slick rail couplers on the sides. I have a bunch of those FSU's = who's switches finally wore out but I'm tempted to order some tack = switches and revive them, as they worked flawlessly for many years = and are sturdy of build and relatively quit mechanically. As you can = tell I'm a little over Loop master, I have a splitter box that suffers = from the same problem and its lack of ground isolation caused me to = think my stomp box overdrives were self oscillating until I realized it = it was the loopmaster splitter box that was causing the issue. I also = bought a stutter bomb from him that has that same shitty click-ity click = switch in it that my 2 button foot switch has, at some point I = will replace it with a smoother feeling switch so that it doesn't sound = like a cricket is in the room when i use it.
grumble grumble
Bill

= --Apple-Mail-5-81752062-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 01:08:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78CD5183460; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 01:08:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Phil Clevenger Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6-82090515 Subject: Re: Footswitch Enquiry Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 18:08:12 -0700 In-Reply-To: <27035371-F491-425F-94AD-6EEEEF93F99E@baymoon.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <27035371-F491-425F-94AD-6EEEEF93F99E@baymoon.com> Message-Id: <83EEF35E-6E26-46C9-8247-E8F3A1427936@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Authenticated-User: 59682 phil@philclevenger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 01:08:14 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6-82090515 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Would be great to figger out where that Lovepedal guy gets his = soft-touch switches... On Mar 25, 2012, at 4:56 PM, William Walker wrote: > I know Mr. Bill Walker has a nice, and small, piece from the = Loop-Masters people, but I am loathe to get on a 6 month waitlist for = them to build it... been there done that ;) >=20 > Actually Phil my nice loopmaster footswitch did not work properly = with my Little Giant after its recent software upgrade until I had my = local tech isolate the grounds on both switches which cost me extra = money, the other thing annoying about them is though momentary in = operation, they have an audible and physical click when being depressed. = at this point I'd suggest two boss FS-u switches that can be attached to = each other via the slick rail couplers on the sides. I have a bunch of = those FSU's who's switches finally wore out but I'm tempted to order = some tack switches and revive them, as they worked flawlessly for many = years and are sturdy of build and relatively quit mechanically. As you = can tell I'm a little over Loop master, I have a splitter box that = suffers from the same problem and its lack of ground isolation caused me = to think my stomp box overdrives were self oscillating until I realized = it it was the loopmaster splitter box that was causing the issue. I also = bought a stutter bomb from him that has that same shitty click-ity click = switch in it that my 2 button foot switch has, at some point I will = replace it with a smoother feeling switch so that it doesn't sound like = a cricket is in the room when i use it. > grumble grumble > Bill --Apple-Mail-6-82090515 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Would = be great to figger out where that Lovepedal guy gets his soft-touch = switches...

On Mar 25, 2012, at 4:56 PM, William = Walker wrote:

I know Mr. = Bill Walker has a nice, and small, piece from the Loop-Masters people, = but I am loathe to get on a 6 month waitlist for them to build it... = been there done that ;)

Actually Phil my = nice loopmaster footswitch did not work properly with my Little Giant = after its recent software upgrade until I had my local tech isolate the = grounds on both switches which cost me extra money, the other thing = annoying about them is though momentary in operation, they have an = audible and physical click when being depressed. at this point I'd = suggest two boss FS-u switches that can be attached to each other via = the slick rail couplers on the sides. I have a bunch of those FSU's = who's switches finally wore out but I'm tempted to order some tack = switches and revive them, as they worked flawlessly for many years = and are sturdy of build and relatively quit mechanically. As you can = tell I'm a little over Loop master, I have a splitter box that suffers = from the same problem and its lack of ground isolation caused me to = think my stomp box overdrives were self oscillating until I realized it = it was the loopmaster splitter box that was causing the issue. I also = bought a stutter bomb from him that has that same shitty click-ity click = switch in it that my 2 button foot switch has, at some point I = will replace it with a smoother feeling switch so that it doesn't sound = like a cricket is in the room when i use it.
grumble grumble
Bill

= --Apple-Mail-6-82090515-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 01:14:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79B5A183460; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 01:14:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=4+goNSJ5VpScNP2rwkoQenIROck1yUZBVvnLlhy+18Q=; b=0zUW3I1PhvGFOC6pb2y4qdEpmq85uWHZissGDA1ZX4PMzPQeK7rOKi9Zhz65lMKul+ Xr2Pabmj9+c/PKII6eC36daSU3yHZlI4/AGBELIO2dobaC1TNk9t2CjUHQQjRIdWk2pl YNmD5+asGQGb7kefa6fCRRboT+zMtMWJ39LZPUJHvTDMhRECmEe3p25Zb2sGEXYEh/7k kuipvO4I112U2Xt6YSSzwchqyNJy7J3GxoGxHDWwyud5xJDCvnhs2kO91jz5X2enPjnp J5uj4ph6+BccqLs65Acnw1WL3S/K57gWnLyoVTSn+JvDFqHZ2wnpi5fuov0V5ivimkJd Dejg== Subject: Re: Footswitch Enquiry References: <27035371-F491-425F-94AD-6EEEEF93F99E@baymoon.com> <83EEF35E-6E26-46C9-8247-E8F3A1427936@gmail.com> From: Philip Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-082D465B-3C1D-4CFA-819E-08F320CD7AAB X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: <83EEF35E-6E26-46C9-8247-E8F3A1427936@gmail.com> Message-Id: Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 10:14:18 +0900 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 01:14:27 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-082D465B-3C1D-4CFA-819E-08F320CD7AAB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The switches on the Eventide Timefactor are great. Sturdy metal, but quiet. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 26, 2012, at 10:08 AM, Phil Clevenger wrot= e: > Would be great to figger out where that Lovepedal guy gets his soft-touch s= witches... >=20 > On Mar 25, 2012, at 4:56 PM, William Walker wrote: >=20 >> I know Mr. Bill Walker has a nice, and small, piece from the Loop-Masters= people, but I am loathe to get on a 6 month waitlist for them to build it..= . been there done that ;) >>=20 >> Actually Phil my nice loopmaster footswitch did not work properly with m= y Little Giant after its recent software upgrade until I had my local tech i= solate the grounds on both switches which cost me extra money, the other thi= ng annoying about them is though momentary in operation, they have an audibl= e and physical click when being depressed. at this point I'd suggest two bos= s FS-u switches that can be attached to each other via the slick rail couple= rs on the sides. I have a bunch of those FSU's who's switches finally wore o= ut but I'm tempted to order some tack switches and revive them, as they wor= ked flawlessly for many years and are sturdy of build and relatively quit me= chanically. As you can tell I'm a little over Loop master, I have a splitter= box that suffers from the same problem and its lack of ground isolation cau= sed me to think my stomp box overdrives were self oscillating until I realiz= ed it it was the loopmaster splitter box that was causing the issue. I also b= ought a stutter bomb from him that has that same shitty click-ity click swit= ch in it that my 2 button foot switch has, at some point I will replace it w= ith a smoother feeling switch so that it doesn't sound like a cricket is in t= he room when i use it. >> grumble grumble >> Bill >=20 --Apple-Mail-082D465B-3C1D-4CFA-819E-08F320CD7AAB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
The switches on the Eventi= de Timefactor are great. Sturdy metal, but quiet.

Sent from my iPhone=

On Mar 26, 2012, at 10:08 AM, Phil Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
<= br>
Would be great to figger o= ut where that Lovepedal guy gets his soft-touch switches...

On Mar 25, 2012, at 4:56 PM, William Walker wrote:

= I know Mr. Bill Wal= ker has a nice, and small, piece from the Loop-Masters people, but I am loat= he to get on a 6 month waitlist for them to build it... been there done that= ;)

Actually P= hil my nice loopmaster footswitch did not work properly with my Little Giant= after its recent software upgrade until I had my local tech isolate the gro= unds on both switches which cost me extra money, the other thing annoying ab= out them is though momentary in operation, they have an audible and physical= click when being depressed. at this point I'd suggest two boss FS-u switche= s that can be attached to each other via the slick rail couplers on the side= s. I have a bunch of those FSU's who's switches finally wore out but I= 'm tempted to order some tack switches and revive them, as they worked= flawlessly for many years and are sturdy of build and relatively quit mecha= nically. As you can tell I'm a little over Loop master, I have a splitter bo= x that suffers from the same problem and its lack of ground isolation caused= me to think my stomp box overdrives were self oscillating until I realized i= t it was the loopmaster splitter box that was causing the issue. I also boug= ht a stutter bomb from him that has that same shitty click-ity click switch i= n it that my 2 button foot switch has, at some point I will replace it= with a smoother feeling switch so that it doesn't sound like a cricket is i= n the room when i use it.
grumble grumble=
Bill

<= /div>
= --Apple-Mail-082D465B-3C1D-4CFA-819E-08F320CD7AAB-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 03:56:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F119D183454; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 03:56:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <06DB7FBF-39A2-48E9-8943-92045FBA237A@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7-92159826 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Footswitch Enquiry Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 20:56:01 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 03:56:09 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7-92159826 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill, those switches still require batteries it seems :( Still looking : The FS U's are momentary switches ( unlatched) and don't have leds, and so don't require batteries, the FS L's are latching switches for on off functions and do require them. I have used the FS U's to good results bill --Apple-Mail-7-92159826 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Bill, those switches still require batteries it seems :(

Still looking :

The FS U's are momentary switches ( unlatched) and don't have leds, and so don't require batteries, the FS L's are latching switches for on off functions and do require them. I have used the FS U's to good results
bill
--Apple-Mail-7-92159826-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 05:37:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DCDC18345D; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 05:37:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=uFSVbcKOg4LtUrntO1rdBEEqi+dRegc4KriQguXGSPE=; b=mvc+ImiCYuy0pAh1BqXtImnSOhXzLzloI7Sswn2OtZAa4Re1Xqwj5PYhanpngBpZfK TucNxwCiW6TvojpPwANQOaQjyTnX0FMtlA58sVEBhaWODjETdNPDIJFJOtFj98Z5KRlH IsLF77poA7K9gYrJVevx/U+qHihQXhXRazaJb3X2jAFap7hsdHM4bitppl1G/BWrhR2L 7JVsxbloQ56MbDPx5fmvHU5KUCWJbq48/fdu6twK7ZnKTK1zzl2GYkXcvbp+k5Mt2Uvf HEhCuXl0XvrDIxo65/rC0nu/ya38rbABTfMPRTP11dt8WjWFF9t/TYzDgMJ3W6eAaiRk frLQ== References: <85CFAA74-82CF-403B-A76A-658D5F4CF629@gmail.com> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 07:37:05 +0200 Message-ID: <316801145221764548@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: Footswitch Enquiry To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042f9288d7520704bc1ec3f3 Resent-Message-ID: <5_qPr.A.85C.ECAcPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 05:37:09 +0000 (UTC) --f46d042f9288d7520704bc1ec3f3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 or re-wire the FS.5.. you REALLY need those lights? M Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 26 Mar 2012, at 01:00, Jeff Duke wrote: Hey Phil, I replaced my FS-5 that went bad and built switches for all kinds of gear using parts from Radio Shack. Just a small plastic box, a 1/4 in jack and a momentary button. I believe the FS-6 just uses batteries for the lights although it won't work if the batt goes dead. Depending on the app any normally on or off momentary (depending) should work to do what you want. So a 1/4 stereo jack, two momentary buttons and a box = cheap! Jeff On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > Hey delightful loopers - > > Anyone have a recommendation for a replacement for my Boss FS-6 dual > footswitch? > > It's the only battery-sucking piece in my whole setup and it's starting to > piss me off... there is no PSU option for it at all. > > I know Mr. Bill Walker has a nice, and small, piece from the Loop-Masters > people, but I am loathe to get on a 6 month waitlist for them to build > it... been there done that ;) > > Other thoughts? > > Phil :) > > > --f46d042f9288d7520704bc1ec3f3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
or re-wire the FS.5.. you= REALLY need those lights?

M

Sent from my (= advertisement removed)

On 26 Mar 2012, at 01:00, Jeff Duke &l= t;jeffloops@gmail.com> wrote:=

Hey Phil, I replaced my= FS-5 that went bad and built switches for all kinds of gear using parts fr= om Radio Shack. Just a small plastic box, a 1/4 in jack and a momentary but= ton. I believe the FS-6 just uses batteries for the lights although it won&= #39;t work if the batt goes dead. Depending on the app any normally on or o= ff momentary (depending) should work to do what you want. So a 1/4 stereo j= ack, two momentary buttons and a box =3D cheap!

Jeff

On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 6:19 PM,= Phil Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey delightful loopers -

Anyone have a recommendation for a replacement for my Boss FS-6 dual footsw= itch?

It's the only battery-sucking piece in my whole setup and it's star= ting to piss me off... there is no PSU option for it at all.

I know Mr. Bill Walker has a nice, and small, piece from the Loop-Masters p= eople, but I am loathe to get on a 6 month waitlist for them to build it...= been there done that ;)

Other thoughts?

Phil :)

--f46d042f9288d7520704bc1ec3f3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 05:48:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D948918345E; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 05:48:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F700337.80202@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 22:48:39 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rick Walker CC: andy butler , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? References: <4F6FB281.4050003@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4F6FB281.4050003@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 05:48:47 +0000 (UTC) On 3/25/12 5:04 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > These are suggestions for multi-track loopers which, I realize are > more high end units: > This would be the LP-1, the RC300, the coming Evo Looping, et. al. Please forgive my omission of the Boomerang and any other hardware or software loopers that are multi-track. I just don't have any experience with those paradigms. Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 06:08:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E397418345D; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 06:08:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Phil Clevenger Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-100099471 Subject: Re: Footswitch Enquiry Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 23:08:21 -0700 In-Reply-To: <06DB7FBF-39A2-48E9-8943-92045FBA237A@baymoon.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <06DB7FBF-39A2-48E9-8943-92045FBA237A@baymoon.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Authenticated-User: 59682 phil@philclevenger.com Resent-Message-ID: <_OtyaB.A.NXD.XfAcPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 06:08:23 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-100099471 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii AH i see Bill... you may have made (yet another) sale... ;) Phil :) On Mar 25, 2012, at 8:56 PM, William Walker wrote: >=20 >=20 > Bill, those switches still require batteries it seems :( >=20 > Still looking : >=20 > The FS U's are momentary switches ( unlatched) and don't have leds, = and so don't require batteries, the FS L's are latching switches for on = off functions and do require them. I have used the FS U's to good = results > bill --Apple-Mail-1-100099471 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii AH i = see Bill... you may have made (yet another) sale... = ;)

Phil :)

On = Mar 25, 2012, at 8:56 PM, William Walker wrote:

Bill, those switches still = require batteries it seems :(

Still looking :

The FS U's are momentary = switches ( unlatched) and don't have leds, and so don't require = batteries, the FS L's are latching switches for on off functions = and do require them. I have used the FS U's to good = results
bill

= --Apple-Mail-1-100099471-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 06:28:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97FA7183461; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 06:28:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 743254118/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.179.233/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.179.233 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAC8LcE9V0rPp/2dsb2JhbAANN7s6AQEBBDhAESMJFg8JAwIBAgFFHAHAMI4EgyQEmz2KUIJo X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,319,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="743254118" Message-ID: <4F700C8A.3000707@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 07:28:26 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP loop divide Was Re: What are the looper features ................. References: <4F6EFA40.9060509@tiscali.co.uk> <004201cd0aa2$633dd9f0$29b98dd0$@comcast.net> <4F6F5AEF.7010601@tiscali.co.uk> <4F6F8004.3080505@tiscali.co.uk> <6104393593187669431@unknownmsgid> <4F6F9EE3.20502@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 06:28:12 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe wrote: > OK that mult record ending on edp IS a kind of divide, true! > > But you are def risking going off synch then huh? Cos its down to a foot > timing... the divides IM TALKING BOUT.. Repeater Trim and Mobius Divide, > is a exact division of your original loop... Single cycle loop running..... Quantise = 8th 8th/cycle = 2 InsertMode = SUS SHORTPRESS MULTIPLY and lo, the loop divideth with precision to a length of half it's original length. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 06:42:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4CC2183454; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 06:42:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=DwIKdQAVH1wPFjSB/jst50cz77L1LyPXbgAmbjKJROo=; b=zBcdVeVFrFDQIzDpfn/+rr/MiLWF27X0qGDWFuGxirdHTeOxLvDvVEqNO1UzD293WO 3rKoj7lUw9HlWzVTSC06sgL9HshCswltpSnHSi3GsqafyFYMKR3gn4MAwklomFQCZVnJ S+1dHmjgH/PAtKpQkdjF80J4oVj5dFIqnxYuxA5iNmp6/ZnwO+X3sE9n0y6iI4qEtwc+ +80hYqkBq1oQ6ddmPtBuORpBRph2eS1UY1F2PfxJnQHDq6cC/WW88GUQSk0XoRo2TcD5 LfkOkV0pRzXf3HPnc3TPnFtSSedet8m9kEyanQ/Az5rCtBhzagLL7/XbN02RDqN+siQw Aj6A== References: <4F6EFA40.9060509@tiscali.co.uk> <004201cd0aa2$633dd9f0$29b98dd0$@comcast.net> <4F6F5AEF.7010601@tiscali.co.uk> <4F6F8004.3080505@tiscali.co.uk> <6104393593187669431@unknownmsgid> <4F6F9EE3.20502@googlemail.com> <4F700C8A.3000707@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: <4F700C8A.3000707@tiscali.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 08:42:51 +0200 Message-ID: <-7236670390745991481@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: EDP loop divide Was Re: What are the looper features ................. To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 06:42:56 +0000 (UTC) Ahh.. true... but can u do it again? And divide the loop once more... and then again? and again again again... Bbbzzzzzzzzzzzzz? Divide+Mobius=Joy M Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 26 Mar 2012, at 08:28, andy butler wrote: > mark francombe wrote: >> OK that mult record ending on edp IS a kind of divide, true! >> But you are def risking going off synch then huh? Cos its down to a foot timing... the divides IM TALKING BOUT.. Repeater Trim and Mobius Divide, is a exact division of your original loop... > > Single cycle loop running..... > > Quantise = 8th > 8th/cycle = 2 > InsertMode = SUS > SHORTPRESS MULTIPLY > > > and lo, the loop divideth with precision to a length > of half it's original length. > > > > > andy > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 06:45:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4CA218345C; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 06:45:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 737041680/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.179.233/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.179.233 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBANwPcE9V0rPp/2dsb2JhbAANN7s6AQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBwDCOBIMkBJs9ilCCaA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,319,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="737041680" Message-ID: <4F7010A0.1050405@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 07:45:52 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boomerang midi sync and how to check software version References: ,<4F6EFA40.9060509@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 06:45:36 +0000 (UTC) Mark Hamburg wrote: > I've been in lots of exchanges with Mike Nelson about how to implement Record into Stack. >The problem on the Boomerang is that the function buttons distinguish between a tap and a hold > and hence one can't just talk about "hitting stack" if you want to do so with any degree of precision. Right, because the shortpress function isn't started till release of the switch. Of course, it's trivial to solve that problem. Just make the stack switch behave differently during Record. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 07:17:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDF1B18345D; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 07:17:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 737048430/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.179.233/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.179.233 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBABYXcE9V0rPp/2dsb2JhbAANN7s9AQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBwDaOBIMkBJs9ilCCaA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,319,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="737048430" Message-ID: <4F70182F.9070804@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 08:18:07 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP loop divide Was Re: What are the looper features ................. References: <4F6EFA40.9060509@tiscali.co.uk> <004201cd0aa2$633dd9f0$29b98dd0$@comcast.net> <4F6F5AEF.7010601@tiscali.co.uk> <4F6F8004.3080505@tiscali.co.uk> <6104393593187669431@unknownmsgid> <4F6F9EE3.20502@googlemail.com> <4F700C8A.3000707@tiscali.co.uk> <-7236670390745991481@unknownmsgid> In-Reply-To: <-7236670390745991481@unknownmsgid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 07:17:56 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe wrote: > Ahh.. true... but can u do it again? And divide the loop once more... > and then again? and again again again... Bbbzzzzzzzzzzzzz? Yes, but it will stop Quantising when the loop gets too small. Using it in conjunction with SwitchQuant = CnF and a press of Next let's you go cut back to the original loop after the mayhem. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 07:29:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86D88183461; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 07:29:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=bmXJ4glG+CW5z0BuhaGl1dTtGdUaTu14Z1M9z9Dm9t0=; b=dXYHjIW4tF3107ZkVDAR6n2OHErSaDqe0KtCzkW4TeK6AIW/pQ4sc9dUrEDF/wlE2f Xxro2i/Vlcz3xmF513AS1Ctibm22eef5XxxrskRYic6B8Y+Zr7JoyX2IUURHU/ton7Uk yvz1q00r04xRJQu2gg67TBX235HRdYVvMRQCnPOLW+otqYSs/ev9dgpQ6xpSqTduK2uk lCJJONcyr34uVJdG5MMWbzQqLweLHEdrM7j6tee+9DuHSu/CLZt3nkQlgU6c1FHQFCgY KNgi43IBIT6qLVi/Ng71gew8n6paq5HT3y0gCzo4k6se6nKmm/TDQVp8L+pMq/J5VtHG up+g== References: <4F6EFA40.9060509@tiscali.co.uk> <004201cd0aa2$633dd9f0$29b98dd0$@comcast.net> <4F6F5AEF.7010601@tiscali.co.uk> <4F6F8004.3080505@tiscali.co.uk> <6104393593187669431@unknownmsgid> <4F6F9EE3.20502@googlemail.com> <4F700C8A.3000707@tiscali.co.uk> <-7236670390745991481@unknownmsgid> <4F70182F.9070804@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: <4F70182F.9070804@tiscali.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 09:29:44 +0200 Message-ID: <4306531524230836149@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: EDP loop divide Was Re: What are the looper features ................. To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 07:29:47 +0000 (UTC) Hmmm im sure Ive tried this... but i know what Ill be checking when I Get Home from work... learn some EDP thing everyday... Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 26 Mar 2012, at 09:17, andy butler wrote: > > > mark francombe wrote: >> Ahh.. true... but can u do it again? And divide the loop once more... >> and then again? and again again again... Bbbzzzzzzzzzzzzz? > > Yes, but it will stop Quantising when the loop gets too small. > > Using it in conjunction with SwitchQuant = CnF > and a press of Next > let's you go cut back to the original loop after the mayhem. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 07:33:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E0DF18345E; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 07:33:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 747014962/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.179.233/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.179.233 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAFwbcE9V0rPp/2dsb2JhbAANN7s/AQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBwEKOBIMkBJs9ilCCaA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,319,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="747014962" Message-ID: <4F701BD2.2060906@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 08:33:38 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Footswitch Enquiry References: <27035371-F491-425F-94AD-6EEEEF93F99E@baymoon.com> <074FFD5C-DC80-4BDD-8910-30072612EEFE@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <074FFD5C-DC80-4BDD-8910-30072612EEFE@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8dOBED.A.RwE.CvBcPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 07:33:22 +0000 (UTC) Phil Clevenger wrote: > So, for me the requirements for a footswitch are: > > 1) Cannot require batteries. It's likely the batteries are only needed if you want the LED to work. Without you *should* just have a switch. I reckon you might as well check out the low cost options such as Behringer and Bespeco. (or just anything on ebay) Certainly I've not had reliability problems with any Bespeco stuff, and I have quite a few items. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 15:20:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12EFC183460; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:20:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=uul9Iol/ccNR4VZvKuMYVm2K1+qviLvs4Lg8e9XvXrE=; b=dPgWILdnmmnQc+6KKWeIRAEIFSs+sy9b8TnHekH0tMRLuYaVUYPmtgWesWvHIbNcqU UKbYRYJ2EEB6zOIAc3ZkT03HMcmXpUOt1EP+gxCxr4UplAm8ibEMC0zIZ/PY9W/FGmO9 qTS2Vqqq3sNuwYFCGpYpsIhTXgHCQgRKG0JEpa6rppvjo67zsr/SD6RVYo4XcnPmdQOy BWciH78WJRMYJxEsVPmKAlUvpAoddGgi2emou7RRbE1uz4OsEssCsm8lYNTW3qA2Y3Ls c39o0rcDkNizQNXUJTnkEe86tqsPzMoPEkK2qdpmt/yJO6uQQ5Bkmbs+c5j9k8iBXMtM l0KQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F700337.80202@cruzio.com> References: <4F6FB281.4050003@cruzio.com> <4F700337.80202@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 20:20:18 +0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? From: Boris Plotnikov To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:20:18 +0000 (UTC) I wish RC-30 having fast Undo/Redo (not a long hold) and multiplying. -- Thanks, Boris Plotnikov http://borisplotnikov.ru From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 15:35:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F1D4183460; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:35:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7498,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-03-26_01:2012-03-26,2012-03-25,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1203260155 Subject: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? From: Teddy Kumpel In-reply-to: <4F6F5AEF.7010601@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:35:03 -0400 Message-id: <7622ABF2-171E-47FF-93A2-03F465E832E5@mac.com> References: <4F6EFA40.9060509@tiscali.co.uk> <004201cd0aa2$633dd9f0$29b98dd0$@comcast.net> <4F6F5AEF.7010601@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:35:26 +0000 (UTC) these are all great suggestions and it's an interesting thread. aside from everything that's been said: a basic click track sound coming out of it's own dedicated output so you can use it in time in a band context is of utmost importance to me because I don't do solo looping. OR a midi clock output that will drive a simple midi metronome. I use an Boss RC-50 and it's midi clock output is not even stable enough to drive a Boss DB-90 metronome. After 2 bars the metronome just stops. The RC-50 does have a built in rhythm guide so the whole band can groove together, but it is a stupid drum beat. They didn't fix that in the RC-300 either... boring Boss... they must think all loopers are solo artists. Or they imagine that people will actually use those rhythm guides in a performance... idiots!!!! Teddy On Mar 25, 2012, at 1:50 PM, andy butler wrote: > > following the conversation that developed on the Boomerang thread. > > ...just a rough sketch for comment, and keeping in mind that no one feature set is right for everybody. > > (and forgetting for the moment that almost any delay unit > can be pressed into looping usage) > > The features that every looper has > 1) Record > 2) Overdub > 3) Erase > > The features that are very commonly desirable, but could be left out and still > leave a satisfying piece of kit. Depends a lot on the amount of floor space > unit will take up. > 1) Reverse > 2) Speed change > 3) Stereo > 4) Midi sync > 5) Volume on loop(s) > 6) Undo/Redo > > > The features that get left out, but really shouldn't > 1) Option of going straight into Overdub > 2) Feedback control (at least during Overdub) > 3) Seamlessly re-record a loop ...(so unsupported that it's importance is underestimated) > 4) Multiply ( or 2 or more loops to allow you to achieve it) > 5) Stop/Start > The features that add usefulness, but not at the expense of essentials. > 1) Substitute/Replace 2) Insert > 3) Configurable Quantise > 4) Alternate Outputs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 15:51:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38A0E18345D; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:51:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Eh6hrLlcFnbhQtpt858+36X7h+0tC7l5/0abWOa6ptk=; b=XT7sOBhtE1aD9rK0vHePNfwGFjK7GKYHbZJNpNAmT299nL0ObxVuvSog/2DC80yh/5 U0C0eu4R796FmNFKiH01ihU4ImkqcG+kBysn4wtAZukmOfennH0Sawi4I5PfxkPF1c0+ BIk20r/iDFsNbg3KUPVV0Rx//PLaXsw3rkC4Mn3/P52jADYzBwv86NL9YuIrf+kHtOlU uCQuDlvaGa19kLWMfbFhNA6XCgkBb52fQDH3maqNYw79iPj0oZnohdSyxgtlzf4P3WE9 5s9pT+ONjDqTUebLKaeIuro9rb3Px7tcR9QGq8CsxmUEdG9chruowBvdvU/g4bcSu3wm v+PQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F6FB281.4050003@cruzio.com> References: <4F6F5AEF.7010601@tiscali.co.uk> <4F6FB281.4050003@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:51:29 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0444ee1fff0de204bc275808 Resent-Message-ID: <_9a7-D.A.ai.CCJcPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:51:31 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0444ee1fff0de204bc275808 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Being able to trigger the loop from any given subcycle is the killer feature for me in mobius. Haven't found another software looper that lets me do that yet (haven't been looking too hard). Sylvain On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 8:04 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > There are several things I wish they would add (and we're trying to remedy > some of this > stuff with the LP-1 and the eventual LP-3 (on the drawing boards, as we > speak) > > These are suggestions for multi-track loopers which, I realize are more > high end units: > This would be the LP-1, the RC300, the coming Evo Looping, et. al. > > 1) immediate switching of tracks as one overdubs so that all > overdubs can automatically go to a separate track to then be > muted/multiplied/sliced and diced, et. al. > > 2) The ability to simultaneously record an intial track to ALL tracks of a > multi track looper > so that, say, an initial percussion track, could be copied to all tracks > so that > verse, chorus and bridge iterations would automatically have that track > underneath them. > > This would radically speed up the ability to do more complex song forms. > Most artists eschew anything but A/B song forms because it takes so long > to build a track > in front of an audience. > > 3) This next suggestion is not one that people are dumb for not including > as it is probably > wouldn't be used by that many people, but to be able to incorporate the > AKAI MPC paradigm > for manipulating syncrhonized samples in real time would be awesome on a > looper. > > To be able to retrigger tracks so that, whereever you were in a song, the > thing you retriggered could > be done with musical values (1/8, 1/12, 1/16, 1/24, 1/32, 1/48, 1/64 so > that when > you lifted your foot on a momentary switch that loop would still be in the > same place in the loop > musically, speaking. > > The wonderful VST program StutterEdit has this capability. > > There are many more in my head but the coffee hasn't kicked into gear yet. > > Oh, and I so agree with Andy about Divide. > I used to love the function in the EDP that let you divide the loop > further and further down > to glitchy goodness with a SUS command (brain fart: what was that called?) > > Rick Walker > > > > > On 3/25/12 10:50 AM, andy butler wrote: > >> following the conversation that developed on the Boomerang thread. >> >> ...just a rough sketch for comment, and keeping in mind that no one >> feature set is right for everybody. >> >> (and forgetting for the moment that almost any delay unit >> can be pressed into looping usage) >> >> The features that every looper has >> 1) Record >> 2) Overdub >> 3) Erase >> >> The features that are very commonly desirable, but could be left out and >> still >> leave a satisfying piece of kit. Depends a lot on the amount of floor >> space >> unit will take up. >> 1) Reverse >> 2) Speed change >> 3) Stereo >> 4) Midi sync >> 5) Volume on loop(s) >> 6) Undo/Redo >> >> >> The features that get left out, but really shouldn't >> 1) Option of going straight into Overdub >> 2) Feedback control (at least during Overdub) >> 3) Seamlessly re-record a loop ...(so unsupported that it's importance is >> underestimated) >> 4) Multiply ( or 2 or more loops to allow you to achieve it) >> 5) Stop/Start >> The features that add usefulness, but not at the expense of essentials. >> 1) Substitute/Replace 2) Insert >> 3) Configurable Quantise >> 4) Alternate Outputs >> >> >> ...well that's enough from me...what do you all think? >> >> andy >> > > --f46d0444ee1fff0de204bc275808 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Being able to trigger the loop from any given subcycle is the killer featur= e for me in mobius. =A0Haven't found another software looper that lets = me do that yet (haven't been looking too hard).
Sylvain

On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 8:04 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
There are several things I wish they would add (and we're trying to rem= edy some of this
stuff with the LP-1 and the eventual LP-3 (on the drawing boards, as we spe= ak)

These are suggestions for multi-track loopers which, I realize are more hig= h end units:
This would be the LP-1, the RC300, the coming Evo Looping, et. al.

1) =A0immediate switching of tracks as one overdubs so that all
overdubs can automatically go to a separate track to then be muted/multipli= ed/sliced and diced, et. al.

2) The ability to simultaneously record an intial track to ALL tracks of a = multi track looper
so that, say, =A0an initial percussion track, could be copied to all tracks= so that
verse, chorus and bridge iterations would automatically have that track und= erneath them.

This would radically speed up the ability to do more complex song forms. Most artists eschew anything but A/B song forms because it takes so long to= build a track
in front of an audience.

3) =A0This next suggestion is not one that people are dumb for not includin= g as it is probably
wouldn't be used by that many people, =A0but to be able to incorporate = the AKAI MPC paradigm
for manipulating syncrhonized samples in real time would be awesome on a lo= oper.

To be able to retrigger tracks so that, whereever you were in a song, the t= hing you retriggered could
be done with musical values (1/8, 1/12, 1/16, 1/24, 1/32, 1/48, 1/64 so tha= t when
you lifted your foot on a momentary switch that loop would still be in the = same place in the loop
musically, speaking.

The wonderful VST program StutterEdit has this capability.

There are many more in my head but the coffee hasn't kicked into gear y= et.

Oh, and I so agree with Andy about Divide.
I used to love the function in the EDP that let you divide the loop further= and further down
to glitchy goodness with a SUS command (brain fart: =A0what was that called= ?)

Rick Walker

On 3/25/12 10:50 AM, andy butler wrote:

following the conversation that developed on the Boomerang thread.

...just a rough sketch for comment, and keeping in mind that no one feature= set is right for everybody.

(and forgetting for the moment that almost any delay unit
=A0can be pressed into looping usage)

The features that every looper has
1) Record
2) Overdub
3) Erase

The features that are very commonly desirable, but could be left out and st= ill
leave a satisfying piece of kit. Depends a lot on the amount of floor space=
unit will take up.
1) Reverse
2) Speed change
3) Stereo
4) Midi sync
5) Volume on loop(s)
6) Undo/Redo

The features that get left out, but really shouldn't
1) Option of going straight into Overdub
2) Feedback control (at least during Overdub)
3) Seamlessly re-record a loop ...(so unsupported that it's importance = is underestimated)
4) Multiply ( or 2 or more loops to allow you to achieve it)
5) Stop/Start
The features that add usefulness, but not at the expense of essentials.
1) Substitute/Replace 2) Insert
3) Configurable Quantise
4) Alternate Outputs

...well that's enough from me...what do you all think?

andy

--f46d0444ee1fff0de204bc275808-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 16:43:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44781183463; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 16:43:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=jrlcqEipaMISoDb8LsU5gzr4qaolE9uNjcLNfwHh7bw=; b=znBmi6YloJzAdPEXMmAVCXwIW6RLNoTHbYDPleTROr3DvoWVqYa4CsZdO345NTNgvA WFWNwFL/gmC0j/t3CNtijyAjTqx/xEMRLYnISgxawAsjE3JUtsj7B1+QVMjpFef56LR2 GNAIl+v/fze73KKMULts+p1iGFThSvD6NlxDFHi84+cMJXRvKBFeeYtU7reEFJHj5dLJ vCmbuIxZNsC6yQEfvCWdBEPA2I1zvadGr1lRVgu2OWw9uSSkoCIJb06zAZE5pkEHAzM4 xGIZRhXGfuU3PXvpIQjLHWIjR3UtWAFsYdyCroQunszmTU5laVEVuvIwWkInUtp5GxLA wjvw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:43:28 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04426f14e7495904bc281261 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 16:43:30 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04426f14e7495904bc281261 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i think the biggest mistake that is made, is really answering: WHAT IS A LOOPER? i don't fault manufacturers b/c the 2nd they release stuff, we internet folks rip it up and tear it apart! and they have to sell it to make $$$.... getting back to my original premise-i think most makers are using the static phrase sampler model-which must not cost much since my: digitech dl8, boss dd7, and zoom g3 all have one. i mean we're talking $200 (or less) pieces of gear that do certain things then they stick the ability to do a "sound on sound" mode w/ infinite repeat if you want. i suppose for most folks that's fine. but for me, when i started down this rabbit hole 12 yrs ago-i was coming from the delay based model, and even before that for 10 yrs, i was using my old yamaha 1.2 sec delay and having fun making noises (i just saw it on ebay) but i guess part of the problem for me w/ the "PHRASE SAMPLE" model-is that they forget this comes from the idea of TAPE LOOPS. and all the pain and hassle those can be (which i did experiment w/)...but the great thing is that it had the ability to manipulate it and mess w/ the sound, ie: you could slow it down you could speed it up you could flip the tape over and play it backwards THEN, you move into the age of DIGITAL DELAYS, which could mimic some of these things easier..... I look at the list below, and i think, wow, people want THE MOON!!! i will grant that as i explore & experiment w/ far too many (currently using vox dynamic looper, dd7, dl8) i am getting closer to what i think would be the perfect looper for me. i doubt it would be the perfect looper for 98% of the folks out there... i guess i can keep dreaming..... s--- ps-if you'd like to go here, you can listen to me experimenting w/ my "not-perfect loop gear": http://soundclick.com/hsacnostetn re: (and forgetting for the moment that almost any delay unit can be pressed into looping usage) The features that every looper has 1) Record 2) Overdub 3) Erase The features that are very commonly desirable, but could be left out and still leave a satisfying piece of kit. Depends a lot on the amount of floor space unit will take up. 1) Reverse 2) Speed change 3) Stereo 4) Midi sync 5) Volume on loop(s) 6) Undo/Redo The features that get left out, but really shouldn't 1) Option of going straight into Overdub 2) Feedback control (at least during Overdub) 3) Seamlessly re-record a loop ...(so unsupported that it's importance is underestimated) 4) Multiply ( or 2 or more loops to allow you to achieve it) 5) Stop/Start The features that add usefulness, but not at the expense of essentials. 1) Substitute/Replace 2) Insert 3) Configurable Quantise 4) Alternate Outputs --f46d04426f14e7495904bc281261 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i think the biggest mistake that is made, is really answering: WHAT IS A LO= OPER? i don't fault manufacturers b/c the 2nd they release stuff, we in= ternet folks rip it up and tear it apart! and they have to sell it to make = $$$....
getting back to my original premise-i think most makers are using the stati= c phrase sampler model-which must not cost much since my: digitech dl8, bos= s dd7, and zoom g3 all have one. i mean we're talking $200 (or less) pi= eces of gear that do certain things
then they stick the ability to do a "sound on sound" mode w/ infi= nite repeat if you want. i suppose for most folks that's fine.
but f= or me, when i started down this rabbit hole 12 yrs ago-i was coming from th= e delay based model, and even before that for 10 yrs, i was using my old ya= maha 1.2 sec delay and having fun making noises (i just saw it on ebay)
but i guess part of the problem for me w/ the "PHRASE SAMPLE" mod= el-is that they forget this comes from the idea of TAPE LOOPS. and all the = pain and hassle those can be (which i did experiment w/)...but the great th= ing is that it had the ability to manipulate it and mess w/ the sound, ie:<= br> you could slow it down
you could speed it up
you could flip the tape = over and play it backwards
THEN, you move into the age of DIGITAL DELAYS= , which could mimic some of these things easier.....

I look at the l= ist below, and i think, wow, people want THE MOON!!!
i will grant that as i explore & experiment w/ far too many (currently = using vox dynamic looper, dd7, dl8) i am getting closer to what i think wou= ld be the perfect looper for me. i doubt it would be the perfect looper for= 98% of the folks out there...
i guess i can keep dreaming.....
s---
ps-if you'd like to go here= , you can listen to me experimenting w/ my "not-perfect loop gear"= ;:
http:= //soundclick.com/hsacnostetn

re:
(and forgetting for the moment= that almost any delay unit can be pressed into looping usage) The features that every looper has 1) Record 2) Overdub 3) Erase
The features that are very commonly desirable, but could be left = out=20and stillleave a satisfying piece of kit. Depends a lot on the amount of fl= oor=20space
unit will take up. 1) Reverse 2) Speed change 3) Stereo 4) Midi sync 5) Volume on loop(s) 6) Undo/Redo The features that get left out, but really shouldn't 1) Option of going straight into Overdub 2) Feedback control (at least during Overdub)
3) Seamlessly re-record a loop ...(so unsupported that it's i= mportance=20is underestimated)
4) Multiply ( or 2 or more loops to allow yo= u to achieve it) 5) Stop/Start The features that add usefulness, but not at the expense of essentials. 1) Substitute/Replace 2) Insert 3) Configurable Quantise 4) Alternate Outputs

--f46d04426f14e7495904bc281261-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 17:10:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3560D183461; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 17:10:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 12:10:54 -0500 Message-ID: <00fd01cd0b73$68b43ec0$3a1cbc40$@michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FE_01CD0B49.7FEBF260" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIKuY7N3g87vuQFa2d2M7pXlDuIaZYBcmUw Content-Language: en-us x-vipre-scanned: 0238EC0E002DC20238ED5B X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 17:10:59 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00FE_01CD0B49.7FEBF260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd be soooo happy if a hardware pedal could have A/B, multiply and have feedback control. It's what I do most of the time with the EDP (for which it's overkill) but other pedals don't even touch multiply but give, "85 Years of looping time stored on a mini-SD card, and you can run that through the 14 built in effects!" Oh well, I can dream.. Mike www.michaelplishka.com www.scribbledmusings.com From: Scott Hansen [mailto:evanpeewee@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 11:43 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? i think the biggest mistake that is made, is really answering: WHAT IS A LOOPER? i don't fault manufacturers b/c the 2nd they release stuff, we internet folks rip it up and tear it apart! and they have to sell it to make $$$.... getting back to my original premise-i think most makers are using the static phrase sampler model-which must not cost much since my: digitech dl8, boss dd7, and zoom g3 all have one. i mean we're talking $200 (or less) pieces of gear that do certain things then they stick the ability to do a "sound on sound" mode w/ infinite repeat if you want. i suppose for most folks that's fine. but for me, when i started down this rabbit hole 12 yrs ago-i was coming from the delay based model, and even before that for 10 yrs, i was using my old yamaha 1.2 sec delay and having fun making noises (i just saw it on ebay) but i guess part of the problem for me w/ the "PHRASE SAMPLE" model-is that they forget this comes from the idea of TAPE LOOPS. and all the pain and hassle those can be (which i did experiment w/)...but the great thing is that it had the ability to manipulate it and mess w/ the sound, ie: you could slow it down you could speed it up you could flip the tape over and play it backwards THEN, you move into the age of DIGITAL DELAYS, which could mimic some of these things easier..... I look at the list below, and i think, wow, people want THE MOON!!! i will grant that as i explore & experiment w/ far too many (currently using vox dynamic looper, dd7, dl8) i am getting closer to what i think would be the perfect looper for me. i doubt it would be the perfect looper for 98% of the folks out there... i guess i can keep dreaming..... s--- ps-if you'd like to go here, you can listen to me experimenting w/ my "not-perfect loop gear": http://soundclick.com/hsacnostetn ------=_NextPart_000_00FE_01CD0B49.7FEBF260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'd be soooo happy if a hardware pedal could have A/B, multiply and = have feedback control. It's what I do most of the time with the = EDP (for which it's overkill) but other pedals don't even touch multiply = but give, "85 Years of looping time stored on a mini-SD card, and = you can run that through the 14 built in = effects!"

Oh well, I can dream….

Mike

www.michaelplishka.com
www.scribbledmusings.com

From:= = Scott Hansen [mailto:evanpeewee@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, = March 26, 2012 11:43 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: What are the = looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave = out?

i think the biggest mistake that is made, is really = answering: WHAT IS A LOOPER? i don't fault manufacturers b/c the 2nd = they release stuff, we internet folks rip it up and tear it apart! and = they have to sell it to make $$$....
getting back to my original = premise-i think most makers are using the static phrase sampler = model-which must not cost much since my: digitech dl8, boss dd7, and = zoom g3 all have one. i mean we're talking $200 (or less) pieces of gear = that do certain things
then they stick the ability to do a = "sound on sound" mode w/ infinite repeat if you want. i = suppose for most folks that's fine.
but for me, when i started down = this rabbit hole 12 yrs ago-i was coming from the delay based model, and = even before that for 10 yrs, i was using my old yamaha 1.2 sec delay and = having fun making noises (i just saw it on ebay)
but i guess part of = the problem for me w/ the "PHRASE SAMPLE" model-is that they = forget this comes from the idea of TAPE LOOPS. and all the pain and = hassle those can be (which i did experiment w/)...but the great thing is = that it had the ability to manipulate it and mess w/ the sound, = ie:
you could slow it down
you could speed it up
you could flip = the tape over and play it backwards
THEN, you move into the age of = DIGITAL DELAYS, which could mimic some of these things = easier.....

I look at the list below, and i think, wow, people = want THE MOON!!!
i will grant that as i explore & experiment w/ = far too many (currently using vox dynamic looper, dd7, dl8) i am getting = closer to what i think would be the perfect looper for me. i doubt it = would be the perfect looper for 98% of the folks out there...
i guess = i can keep dreaming.....
s---
ps-if you'd like to go here, you can = listen to me experimenting w/ my "not-perfect loop = gear":
http://soundclick.com/hsacnostetn

------=_NextPart_000_00FE_01CD0B49.7FEBF260-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 18:07:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8366618345E; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 18:07:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 747251052/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.179.233/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.179.233 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBANOucE9V0rPp/2dsb2JhbAANN7s+AQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYgBuTSOBIMkBJs9ilCCaA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,321,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="747251052" Message-ID: <4F70B05D.8060601@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 19:07:25 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 18:07:08 +0000 (UTC) Scott Hansen wrote: > I look at the list below, and i think, wow, people want THE MOON!!! yeah...but you wish like mad your Vox Dynamic had a feedback control don't you. ;-) The main idea of the thread is that it's not inconceivable there would be some kind of *minimum* feature set that manufacturers wouldn't ignore. ...well maybe you're right and that is lunar. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 20:14:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32784183462; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 20:14:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_58b898f8-c03f-42c7-a6df-32c025720d72_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: aGNOSTIC pRELUDE (..sort of Frisell-ish long improv) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 20:13:59 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Mar 2012 20:14:00.0277 (UTC) FILETIME=[FB487850:01CD0B8C] Resent-Message-ID: <0kbHHC.A.ZTD.M4McPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 20:14:05 +0000 (UTC) --_58b898f8-c03f-42c7-a6df-32c025720d72_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/agnostic-prelude Octratrack.. the "looper" that is perfect for ME!!! (and it does not have a= Looper machine.. yet) Thanks=2C Anders = --_58b898f8-c03f-42c7-a6df-32c025720d72_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
http://s= oundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/agnostic-prelude

Octra= track.. the "looper" that is perfect for ME!!! (and it does not have a Loop= er machine.. yet)

Thanks=2C

Anders
= --_58b898f8-c03f-42c7-a6df-32c025720d72_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 21:22:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A316183460; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:22:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F70DE0E.6090404@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 14:22:22 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Jonathan Rosner: Live Looper in Trouble Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:22:29 +0000 (UTC) Hey fellow loopers, This just came into my e-mail 'box' today. /Hope you get this on time, I made a trip to Swansea, Wales and had my bag stolen from me with my passport and credit cards in it. The embassy is willing to help by letting me fly without my passport, I just have to pay for a ticket and settle Hotel bills. Unfortunately for me, I can't have access to funds without my credit card, I've made contact with my bank but they need more time to come up with a new one. I was thinking of asking you to lend me some quick funds that I can give back as soon as I get in. I really need to be on the next available flight. Western Union transfer is the best option to send money to me. Let me know if you need my details(Full names/location) to make the transfer. You can reach me via email or the hotel's desk phone the numbers are, +447031804805 or +447031804806. I await your response... / /Jonathan Rosner/ / / /Guitarist/Musician/Looper/ / / /Guitar Teacher/ ******** Being the good guy that I am, I just sent him my entire life savings ($212.24 in Japanese Yen). Do you think this was foolish? ps I think we should open our hearts and send all of our magnanimous replies back to the list to him at his current email address: jonathanrrosner@yahoo.com In fact, I'm thinking because he's so down and out, that I'm also going to send him the next few days spam messages as well. He might as well have a bigger penis, a lifetime supply of cialis or viagra (his choice) and a couple of mail order brides from Eastern Europe, , right? Be quick, this looping brother is in dire need. yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 21:26:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB9B218345B; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:26:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F70DEEC.5040708@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 14:26:04 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andy butler , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: EDP loop divide Was Re: What are the looper features ................. References: <4F700C8A.3000707@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4F700C8A.3000707@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010705080904060309010600" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:26:11 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010705080904060309010600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 3/25/12 11:28 PM, andy butler wrote: > > and lo, the loop divideth with precision to a length > of half it's original length. another beautiful sermon-miniature from Loop Pastor, Andy Butler. Seriously, your knowledge set is always impressive, Andy. r. --------------010705080904060309010600 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 3/25/12 11:28 PM, andy butler wrote:

and lo, the loop divideth with precision to a length
of half it's original length.
another beautiful sermon-miniature from Loop Pastor, Andy Butler.
Seriously, your knowledge set is always impressive, Andy.

r.
--------------010705080904060309010600-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 21:34:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3462183461; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:34:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=D6WTp2uvtYw7Hr7DBPmy9XI5oy+zsna9ECcwTanZpgw=; b=LvgmgM6C+7L0NDnrdFrVdwkewxLk1I3Ov0qPjHjU6i81GwJilFqjwVjw/3AzEql5lA cDdDf3OBAN6Zu+AfL3MKyQAdsHNi61lqi2MRg2p/ubzzfVn1C2/wiqacIPMiqUQ6Me3q G8D7R7C5gRyL2qRBh8cneHh9Dm0zV/G+xwulK3BN9+MGNmk7Xmplpx3t9mrn76dse9Eh Z5bp5Ip1dX9i94aSz9paoNi0nKHQGlLpFB3WJO1iu8Xue2c0JX4idR/I1/l+j810BKZX Deni/qYdeXlZL9PnuNQ+4dCzOVOJmrLTJ4+wSzGXopdu5Ecq47CzX8gZKi2G01oWYW+G 7H+g== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F70DE0E.6090404@cruzio.com> References: <4F70DE0E.6090404@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 22:34:26 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Jonathan Rosner: Live Looper in Trouble From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:34:27 +0000 (UTC) LOL On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:22 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > Hey fellow loopers, > This just came into my e-mail 'box' today. > > /Hope you get this on time, I made a trip to Swansea, Wales and had my ba= g > stolen from me with my passport and credit cards in it. The embassy is > willing to help by letting me fly without my passport, I just have to pay > for a ticket and settle Hotel bills. Unfortunately for me, I can't have > access to funds without my credit card, I've made contact with my bank bu= t > they need more time to come up with a new one. I was thinking of asking y= ou > to lend me some quick funds that I can give back as soon as I get in. I > really need to be on the next available flight. > > Western Union transfer is the best option to send money to me. Let me kno= w > if you need my details(Full names/location) to make the transfer. You can > reach me via email or the hotel's desk phone the numbers are, +4470318048= 05 > or +447031804806. > > I await your response... > > / > /Jonathan Rosner/ > / > / > /Guitarist/Musician/Looper/ > / > / > /Guitar Teacher/ > > ******** > > Being the good guy that I am, =A0 I just sent him my entire life savings > ($212.24 in Japanese Yen). > Do you think this was foolish? > > ps =A0 =A0I think we should open our hearts and send all of our magnanimo= us > replies back to the list to him at his current email address: > =A0jonathanrrosner@yahoo.com > > In fact, I'm thinking because he's so down and out, =A0that I'm also goin= g to > send him the next few days > spam messages as well. =A0 =A0 He might as well have a bigger penis, a li= fetime > supply > of cialis or viagra (his choice) and a couple of mail order brides from > Eastern Europe, , =A0right? > > Be quick, =A0this looping brother is in dire need. > > yours, =A0Rick Walker > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 22:24:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A23F7183460; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 22:24:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1332800665; bh=XBDK5To1XAu5GTBIAhnhYjb92KGMSs/b7Xb37v82g90=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer; b=dXMNBzbNeQs3TNSxrJTZfNje5jXsGeGmf64hXqIIvKxP4FNBeqUulgysA4ec22PBwpt444yh1zgb/0qhV30UBIyNjgNS13ecu3rK49Nm3rBfHqJuit3ARI4bhW4naNaH4FWyHx/lJhkqrRWRvDWGWTdN8cjMT8hfAJ8taGUWTQU= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 6098.83723.bm@smtp108.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: LopkkJIVM1n755yMiEDBiKxALbnxvRIK3m7OnGfkBzT5BPm JphYXijx0m30C6v99j8g6qTflPAbECQz6mMyVRmQmZfXO94QuKLIgjZpUnd9 U98IhG8C6R1r8Vb41VuJQY3wasbb5_gParb5iPBgQTx2boUB8T_pGQEz38WW m2UqPwMxEqm_Qp071cc9kj2agj9Aem89HUWVfNLhF37HHvqJwTlKHUYhpSnJ JqKoa.J86Ay4NlqGTnNHtbIp__KJmWOvhPVpnf96hNzP4ipqolayvhX6wO.s L_KiY2_I7NgF0SfsIlu3tVsLif0PXOim4hIRMey5NUtrSHCVtu3dauIkyBE9 blAOJSXzsIxmGn.ig7kr7vj_I8t87uIv2w1QA3IpswIBftBK8DwV7yoUv9oD tE5gmMcfZRDENz6yK7FveGTFpR52vLWvyIEOMQleOLQCGrW1iUYsUj7g342G tEnqBilM- X-Yahoo-SMTP: ILs26NSswBDuK82.iJb8TCN7cubm0SmUbZYidhSBIQ-- Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Subject: Re: Jonathan Rosner: Live Looper in Trouble From: Laurie Amat In-Reply-To: <4F70DE0E.6090404@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 18:24:18 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <04C9CD9B-E1CF-4FDA-92B8-8C36CABE215E@att.net> References: <4F70DE0E.6090404@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, jonathanrrosner@yahoo.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 22:24:26 +0000 (UTC) WOW, A Bigger penis? Wait. Bigger than what?=20 Jonathan, You crazy kid, going to a place like Swansea! I can send some = Wine Gums, if that helps... On Mar 26, 2012, at 5:22 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > Hey fellow loopers, > This just came into my e-mail 'box' today. >=20 > /Hope you get this on time, I made a trip to Swansea, Wales and had my = bag stolen from me with my passport and credit cards in it. The embassy = is willing to help by letting me fly without my passport, I just have to = pay for a ticket and settle Hotel bills. Unfortunately for me, I can't = have access to funds without my credit card, I've made contact with my = bank but they need more time to come up with a new one. I was thinking = of asking you to lend me some quick funds that I can give back as soon = as I get in. I really need to be on the next available flight. >=20 > Western Union transfer is the best option to send money to me. Let me = know if you need my details(Full names/location) to make the transfer. = You can reach me via email or the hotel's desk phone the numbers are, = +447031804805 or +447031804806. >=20 > I await your response... >=20 > / > /Jonathan Rosner/ > / > / > /Guitarist/Musician/Looper/ > / > / > /Guitar Teacher/ >=20 > ******** >=20 > Being the good guy that I am, I just sent him my entire life savings = ($212.24 in Japanese Yen). > Do you think this was foolish? >=20 > ps I think we should open our hearts and send all of our = magnanimous replies back to the list to him at his current email = address: jonathanrrosner@yahoo.com >=20 > In fact, I'm thinking because he's so down and out, that I'm also = going to send him the next few days > spam messages as well. He might as well have a bigger penis, a = lifetime supply > of cialis or viagra (his choice) and a couple of mail order brides = from Eastern Europe, , right? >=20 > Be quick, this looping brother is in dire need. >=20 > yours, Rick Walker >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 23:15:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C99E183460; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 23:15:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=lr3jhip3t5sLEymU5DNbbwhi+yok7Xe5ApBNLTdF6Xc=; b=eDGL8vlN9xSH2zu5VstzB4w9O5SzJsZKt7xqMV1cK/nEH0quEI351wbN8HyXE86h+1 gMwwPxouHpRc8NFi7GMesAZriFA92bcg6z1wvdKjaBgGLzhU/BvrwUtuXXYBgJOqbEdV JZ/J194VeXLTmTftbffkBagf1xs0WO+JUbIn3JqCC1ObPJUNKUk7/kL9Jb4C36pBsPPE KtZ+L5dBji6eBqOQGTIQ9JEGWohLOzCV6yePhRvF4dyc5fSjOUQIqzxFmd+jfCjXVOLd fbgbcn6F1T/T+i5FZystcCOFWDR+e6TabFMWVsu4c8i8tDaalktlhZbUPb3Y8GHzLa1l q+jQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4F70DEEC.5040708@cruzio.com> References: <4F700C8A.3000707@tiscali.co.uk> <4F70DEEC.5040708@cruzio.com> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 01:15:12 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 926YJCd2yfOiQDlftJ1xeB8sWmY Message-ID: Subject: Re: EDP loop divide Was Re: What are the looper features ................. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04083f4b0c623e04bc2d8df7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 23:15:34 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04083f4b0c623e04bc2d8df7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well in theory at least... the alternate endings on EDP are quite normal practice actually Rick, the fact that every parameter, all seven of them has seven different ways to close the function (of course not all do much) is very powerful. Its STILL not quite the same as the divide on Mobius though is it Andy? the 2 step shuffle is always going to be a hang-up here, the one foot press for this function is kind of necessary... Put it this way... the thing I want in a looper is not on EDP ...OK? but its always nice to try out a new Butler suggestion! On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 11:26 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 3/25/12 11:28 PM, andy butler wrote: > > > and lo, the loop divideth with precision to a length > of half it's original length. > > another beautiful sermon-miniature from Loop Pastor, Andy Butler. > Seriously, your knowledge set is always impressive, Andy. > > r. > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d04083f4b0c623e04bc2d8df7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well in theory at least... the alternate endings on EDP are quite normal pr= actice actually Rick, the fact that every parameter, all seven of them has = seven different ways to close the function (of course not all do much) is v= ery powerful.

Its STILL not quite the same as the divide on Mobius though is it Andy?= the 2 step shuffle is always going to be a hang-up here, the one foot pres= s for this function is kind of necessary...
Put it this way... the thing= I want in a looper is not on EDP ...OK?

but its always nice to try out a new Butler suggestion!

On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 11:26 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com= > wrote:

=20 =20 =20
On 3/25/12 11:28 PM, andy butler wrote:

and lo, the loop divideth with precision to a length
of half it's original length.

another beautiful sermon-miniature from Loop Pastor,=A0 Andy Butler.
Seriously,=A0 your knowledge set is always impressive, Andy.

r.

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twitter @markfrancombe
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--f46d04083f4b0c623e04bc2d8df7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Mar 26 23:40:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9DE418345D; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 23:40:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Rga7mD+drxUwkYAbVzSW3wRuNSgeE/cV6tJOu2QSXcc=; b=Q0QSdWLlNFRyL2lA9ACVA3zrRLFsJaKtAp3uedy/gwcU1ClQm356B+1cBqbQrv/8MQ 6J1I66lVJx66mZuPiv8CGOEqplW72Wr+MxH9PJZVYvzk0xhcEqhoDLMcos4mDxAR+yu6 T3957Er6lkyoVZe+d4HiyprO00j/FFA9lXsz2OdLAkNDuvlNBnmHkqLBOrrV7owPY3qd Z0/sPTjFrIAZF9l1hRI6g+WoRfonmuc2I/pcTCtYlzU93atCw2tmptgMc9t0OuP0j1lL nJF2UfM4ZKqDaE73l59jdwuWYcZ7NkIDrFUateiLaX3CAOtxo8Bx30bGjwVdtQrNjUBy hVbA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4F700C8A.3000707@tiscali.co.uk> <4F70DEEC.5040708@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 01:40:06 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: EDP loop divide Was Re: What are the looper features ................. From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <19RLTD.A.GZF.X5PcPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 23:40:07 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:15 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Its STILL not quite the same as the divide on Mobius though is it Andy? One thing I like with Mobius is that it offers three ways to instantly divide down a loop's length; you can dived by 2, by 3 or by 4. Same for the Instant Multiply command. 3 is the magic number here, because it makes for a super quick way of setting up interesting poly rhythm relation between two parallel loops. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 03:11:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CDAA183460; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 03:11:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=SE7Uudb2RGVFKOom/HzUQ974oFYZ/4sNbycBVkCMkb4=; b=flBCS+aEm36kmmLR5U6S4T+xHS6siGqLMV8FCEJz1f+9ubompki8bkfs9S0t2VmMjN NBOhVijHtnK7x46iEg/0QbsOU4LkQ+4MZwCp3BR5ngcd3UKi5dk4ddyI3P/ZeBRpoaEG XJdku4822DUEwyVe/Xy9OF5wfGDDLHcDYra8gwKLveBEwSZoPKKMeZNakgpMaAkcL19m 8SmgUmmbnz4zEw9EbGM6D2URhJIkWS8RTLSNLTYyG66BMBZPnvvi57h3Mn5ITrP9zQzi bEHNPWWp0R03WqA6wKzjKfYfuia8UhnVdGKd7Xt+g4r7+YfyZgR0T34MsY/dZ20iodK7 anIg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <00fd01cd0b73$68b43ec0$3a1cbc40$@michaelplishka.com> References: <00fd01cd0b73$68b43ec0$3a1cbc40$@michaelplishka.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 23:11:37 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? From: Zak Kramer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c39d65a6d5b04bc30d927 Resent-Message-ID: <-rEd4B.A.UvG.r_ScPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 03:11:39 +0000 (UTC) --0015174c39d65a6d5b04bc30d927 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You can do those with a Boomerang III, although it skins the cat a bit differently, as it were. A/B is pretty straightforward; Rang has 3 (or 4) loops. Serial mode is pure A/B(/C/D.) Multiply can be done a bit differently. In Master mode, you record a Master loop (loop #3.) Then you can record loops 1 & 2 as 1 or more multiples of #3. Loops 1 & 2 are still running A/B, with 3 running with them. You can also stop #3 and keep using 1 &/or 2. Feedback control can be done with a knob. I think you can set the expression pedal to vary feedback (default is loop vol) but I may be wrong; it's not a function I've checked out in ages. I have adjusted the feedback knob with the side of my foot while playing. Not precise, but can be done. All of that is why I stopped using my EDP (which was overkill for me, as well) and went to the Rang. Which, honestly, is overkill for me at times, as well. But, by the same token, I've still got thing to explore with it, after two years or so of heavy use. I still shake my head every time a looper comes out without any feedback control, or at least some amount of built in feedback (a la Line 6 DL4) to keep the mud at bay. Zak Kramer On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 1:10 PM, wrote: > I'd be soooo happy if a hardware pedal could have A/B, multiply and have > feedback control. It's what I do most of the time with the EDP (for whic= h > it's overkill) but other pedals don't even touch multiply but give, "85 > Years of looping time stored on a mini-SD card, and you can run that > through the 14 built in effects!"**** > > ** ** > > Oh well, I can dream=85.**** > > ** ** > > Mike**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > www.michaelplishka.com**** > > www.scribbledmusings.com**** > > > --0015174c39d65a6d5b04bc30d927 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You can do those with a Boomerang III, although it skins the cat a bit diff= erently, as it were.

A/B is pretty straightforward; Rang has 3 (or 4= ) loops. Serial mode is pure A/B(/C/D.)

Multiply can be done a bit d= ifferently. In Master mode, you record a Master loop (loop #3.) Then you ca= n record loops 1 & 2 as 1 or more multiples of #3. Loops 1 & 2 are = still running A/B, with 3 running with them. You can also stop #3 and keep = using 1 &/or 2.

Feedback control can be done with a knob. I think you can set the expre= ssion pedal to vary feedback (default is loop vol) but I may be wrong; it&#= 39;s not a function I've checked out in ages. I have adjusted the feedb= ack knob with the side of my foot while playing. Not precise, but can be do= ne.

All of that is why I stopped using my EDP (which was overkill for me, a= s well) and went to the Rang. Which, honestly, is overkill for me at times,= as well. But, by the same token, I've still got thing to explore with = it, after two years or so of heavy use.

I still shake my head every time a looper comes out without any feedbac= k control, or at least some amount of built in feedback (a la Line 6 DL4) t= o keep the mud at bay.

Zak Kramer

On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 1:10 PM, <mike@michaelplis= hka.com> wrote:

I'd be soooo happy if a hardware pedal c= ould have A/B, multiply and have feedback control.=A0 It's what I do mo= st of the time with the EDP (for which it's overkill) but other pedals = don't even touch multiply but give, "85 Years of looping time stor= ed on a mini-SD card, and you can run that through the 14 built in effects!= "

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--0015174c39d65a6d5b04bc30d927-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 04:55:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 885A8183460; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 04:55:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: References: <00fd01cd0b73$68b43ec0$3a1cbc40$@michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 23:55:25 -0500 Message-ID: <011301cd0bd5$d4249800$7c6dc800$@michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0114_01CD0BAB.EB50D9F0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQIKuY7N3g87vuQFa2d2M7pXlDuIaQIIhIntAqCcwpCV3OsScA== x-vipre-scanned: 00E8062C002DC400E80779 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 04:55:31 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0114_01CD0BAB.EB50D9F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Zak for the primer. I have an older Rang and used it as my backup to my EDP. The thing I love about the Echoplex is how easy it is to do the multiply. Do a quick riff and multiply for the next phrases. I need to look into the feedback on the Rang 3. Thanks again! Mike From: Zak Kramer [mailto:crazyquilt@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 10:12 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? You can do those with a Boomerang III, although it skins the cat a bit differently, as it were. A/B is pretty straightforward; Rang has 3 (or 4) loops. Serial mode is pure A/B(/C/D.) Multiply can be done a bit differently. In Master mode, you record a Master loop (loop #3.) Then you can record loops 1 & 2 as 1 or more multiples of #3. Loops 1 & 2 are still running A/B, with 3 running with them. You can also stop #3 and keep using 1 &/or 2. Feedback control can be done with a knob. I think you can set the expression pedal to vary feedback (default is loop vol) but I may be wrong; it's not a function I've checked out in ages. I have adjusted the feedback knob with the side of my foot while playing. Not precise, but can be done. All of that is why I stopped using my EDP (which was overkill for me, as well) and went to the Rang. Which, honestly, is overkill for me at times, as well. But, by the same token, I've still got thing to explore with it, after two years or so of heavy use. I still shake my head every time a looper comes out without any feedback control, or at least some amount of built in feedback (a la Line 6 DL4) to keep the mud at bay. Zak Kramer On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 1:10 PM, wrote: I'd be soooo happy if a hardware pedal could have A/B, multiply and have feedback control. It's what I do most of the time with the EDP (for which it's overkill) but other pedals don't even touch multiply but give, "85 Years of looping time stored on a mini-SD card, and you can run that through the 14 built in effects!" Oh well, I can dream.. Mike www.michaelplishka.com www.scribbledmusings.com ------=_NextPart_000_0114_01CD0BAB.EB50D9F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Zak for the primer. I have an older Rang and used it as = my backup to my EDP. The thing I love about the Echoplex is how = easy it is to do the multiply. Do a quick riff and multiply for = the next phrases. I need to look into the feedback on the Rang = 3.
Thanks again!

Mike

From:= = Zak Kramer [mailto:crazyquilt@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March = 26, 2012 10:12 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: What are the = looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave = out?

You can do those with a = Boomerang III, although it skins the cat a bit differently, as it = were.

A/B is pretty straightforward; Rang has 3 (or 4) loops. = Serial mode is pure A/B(/C/D.)

Multiply can be done a bit = differently. In Master mode, you record a Master loop (loop #3.) Then = you can record loops 1 & 2 as 1 or more multiples of #3. Loops 1 = & 2 are still running A/B, with 3 running with them. You can also = stop #3 and keep using 1 &/or 2.

Feedback control can be done = with a knob. I think you can set the expression pedal to vary feedback = (default is loop vol) but I may be wrong; it's not a function I've = checked out in ages. I have adjusted the feedback knob with the side of = my foot while playing. Not precise, but can be done.

All of that = is why I stopped using my EDP (which was overkill for me, as well) and = went to the Rang. Which, honestly, is overkill for me at times, as well. = But, by the same token, I've still got thing to explore with it, after = two years or so of heavy use.

I still shake my head every time a = looper comes out without any feedback control, or at least some amount = of built in feedback (a la Line 6 DL4) to keep the mud at bay.

Zak Kramer

On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 1:10 PM, <mike@michaelplishka.com> = wrote:
I'd be soooo happy if a hardware pedal could have A/B, multiply and = have feedback control. It's what I do most of the time with the = EDP (for which it's overkill) but other pedals don't even touch multiply = but give, "85 Years of looping time stored on a mini-SD card, and = you can run that through the 14 built in = effects!"

Oh well, I can dream….

Mike

www.michaelplishka.com
www.scribbledmusings.com

------=_NextPart_000_0114_01CD0BAB.EB50D9F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 06:04:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD0A718345D; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 06:04:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <20120326180708.F0B94183463@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20120326180708.F0B94183463@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: live at Blue Shell, Cologne Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 08:04:11 +0200 Message-ID: <007301cd0bdf$6e6b22e0$4b4168a0$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0074_01CD0BF0.31F3F2E0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-Language: de Thread-Index: Ac0Lgjsr9/l7jiT0Qu+5V7mL0YCqVQAXQlnw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 06:04:17 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01CD0BF0.31F3F2E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DzWhtYxKGn2E =20 a 27 minute guitar livelooping improvisation using Johannes Noisebud's = "Catchdad", several instances of Matthias Grob's "Echoloop", and various = other plugins, all running in Plogue Bidule. Thanks to Markus Apitius = for inviting me to his Lied United concert series =20 Michael Peters =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01CD0BF0.31F3F2E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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a 27 minute guitar livelooping improvisation using Johannes Noisebud's "Catchdad", several instances of Matthias = Grob's "Echoloop", and various other plugins, all running in Plogue Bidule. Thanks = to Markus Apitius for inviting me to his Lied United concert = series=

Michael = Peters

------=_NextPart_000_0074_01CD0BF0.31F3F2E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 07:33:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4363E183461; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:33:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1332833603; bh=CaW01zDIwQaAbWuEW/LLvxz5hCVfdZfLB4KRtsn2/WQ=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Date:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer; b=kmkQ6+//QAjhBCWKuvWlDrSbju6zGYMgmhoZPwUx2zxgy/HpJ/ChC79ZFcp8NXgG+ij2uMutA9/zvRKIa7cnsLGuaABvl1HYZ0iuxcBNQ3k9tPBZI3bfSpUnGf4L6mDrpyCYIG9YSg6CjeAq+Glfej8AWQLXJVlZ/wpuZNGkuak= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 603058.14288.bm@smtp124.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: JP2WwtQVM1lS9b4GooUmspsA_tT9rvbxPQ8noeHKci1Km31 sOtE4nSwdNwGatZNeaa8xYsQVqnVDV3RNuGzC_MqMkQy2Tg..tGiCMo.6T_K 8o4_nmz84tvZqaelv1ubQIFlE8TnrGXCwvWXTyvHF5PFTQwPVzebD8VhxqN5 upw1MeiAZ3Tkkb3TjUEX0vUuSIXKzvmaUMjJ1s0HTpE2q9g6aGy4BYSTAXk4 UVZK.TnuVYpa63mrcCv6_mGXnxmX6kK7KfKenIirjQT0vL8Rg_rAonG556CF HlokV0o4TxRjO7kRZlylAXKqvw3JKTnMeEb7mvpZYAaAnZhc1JTELJ5COiAp S9VzGoWNUmZKmmmluPAvr1zcyftT0Qm5EcNKKRLl5IXQoRwKSxv17aQZgher mD8hnGcA- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 75CdczOswBChen.W3AbLhaW8TlC96TVo5w-- From: Ben To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:33:23 +0200 Subject: Re: Jonathan Rosner: Live Looper in Trouble In-Reply-To: <04C9CD9B-E1CF-4FDA-92B8-8C36CABE215E@att.net> References: <4F70DE0E.6090404@cruzio.com> <04C9CD9B-E1CF-4FDA-92B8-8C36CABE215E@att.net> Message-Id: <20120327093323.6651F310.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: nPOPuk Ver 2.16 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:33:25 +0000 (UTC) Is this still the "Instant Multiply" thread, or have I lost my way? ;-) Ben -------------------------------------------------- Laurie Amat wrote: (27/03/2012 00:24) > WOW, A Bigger penis? Wait. Bigger than what? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 10:39:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1997D183461; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 10:39:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A0B020D.4F7198E5.0074,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-libjamoibt: 1821 Message-ID: <22155766.9395971332844773115.JavaMail.root@wmail34> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 12:39:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Massimo Liverani Reply-To: Massimo Liverani To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: NEXT Florence Live Looping Festival Y2KX+2 - FIRST DATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_755281_10179249.1332844773115" X-SenderIP: 85.47.237.138 X-libjamv: jnn5tIngAm4= X-libjamsun: 4xH0XibxjQgr6Spu7b7kAo4LbqfJOB/V Resent-Message-ID: <1IlluC.A.1nC.mjZcPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 10:39:34 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_755281_10179249.1332844773115 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NEXT Florence Live Looping Y2KX+2 - FIRST DATE:will be SAT 14 July 2012 in Florence at the same location: Blue Theatre, Anconella PARK. Villamagna road. I'm trying to organize more gigs for that period. Let me know if you are interested and you can be of us.I'let you know asap. Massimo Liverani - cell phone: 0039 333 9366864 skype: massliv ------=_Part_755281_10179249.1332844773115 Content-Type: text/html;charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
NEXT Florence Live Looping Y2KX+2 - FIRST DATE:
wi= ll be SAT 14 July 2012 in Florence at the same location: Blue Theatre, Anco= nella PARK. Villamagna road. I'm trying to organize more gigs for that peri= od. Let me know if you are interested and you can be of us.
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------=_Part_755281_10179249.1332844773115-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 11:40:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 087B6183461; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:40:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=r8ihgzdk42p1IIh84dn0BlMIH9OgtZMJIcCPlrMMPPc=; b=tRUm9lLoTNR3bZ8eDOjBORLzwY7dfZ7aQIYZ1cLWSlcos31DkFQNIjpNoKJyVmUdLf Vp030nH+CyZG4D2y98dXlvdZEI2sSe9K52XQuC68iIwM1L/DFnOFciUEdgjUy68Cq+Ye xaIiYs1JcbPeZqY0rR6ni3Be5ejkO0lx2hjTb/RslqOSnbPLEWumeozMVjsUEo8lcvGN HFleISC300HdH4Eeln4kUI9B1pM3Na4jmbAL5IXORQW2G6rVw6tOi9L5FuZp3djBKQMa J0mw4j6b1jKkrH+s5vyv8vCRHxTz7JCql6D6tKLa/FDxbHFPve+f3Ne/7aXmd7C8p8nW 2HMw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <007301cd0bdf$6e6b22e0$4b4168a0$@de> References: <20120326180708.F0B94183463@arsenic.violacea.com> <007301cd0bdf$6e6b22e0$4b4168a0$@de> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 14:40:24 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: live at Blue Shell, Cologne From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174beccae41b6704bc37f444 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:40:25 +0000 (UTC) --0015174beccae41b6704bc37f444 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This was outstanding! 2012/3/27 Michael Peters > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWhtYxKGn2E**** > > ** ** > > a 27 minute guitar livelooping improvisation using Johannes Noisebud's " > Catchdad", several instances of Matthias Grob's "Echoloop", and various > other plugins, all running in Plogue Bidule. Thanks to Markus Apitius for > inviting me to his Lied United concert series**** > > ** ** > > Michael Peters**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > -- Petri --0015174beccae41b6704bc37f444 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This was outstanding!

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--0015174beccae41b6704bc37f444-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 13:02:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E4B118345E; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:02:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=HuMHgnLYcjEKddraS2aFA2x7LtT5+ttGRnF0HLQ/NXY=; b=CF0cWV8GyJqmwTBtseRuJx6Jfe0ntI2lx4W9tuoXQ89QscEny6IW8GwikypBYW4oQu QLGka2Go5psyOl+mr43sJJ0aKX/EDiHwdMw/oxBg5KGJwvPOiNgDh7Q3K6BNpShT58eA q+tkI3w8sGS639uX5qa0D6F40KCh5yCQxIuLZdJfLDnrSGZ4xQmCiYmyXstbCm0fVnGb BoJ0fBVhV8iTDvobJthZyt12Evtf5Z817ukvHpnoj3wkQ/faz05TnQFBpQVISJxItJlA AEXs0oP4L2IGLrzHF3u1kRsFf4iKwZwAxJAQARVgpnLli7XpoZU9NsHk9PIxgUIGtSn+ WqkA== From: philip Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_021A5DCA-36C3-417A-921B-A52770408134" Subject: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 22:01:45 +0900 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <4F6F5AEF.7010601@tiscali.co.uk> <4F6FB281.4050003@cruzio.com> Message-Id: <8FD5EA9A-1725-47B9-941E-1A3E1CD22A81@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:02:27 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_021A5DCA-36C3-417A-921B-A52770408134 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Easy sync to MIDI clock Easy firmware upgrades Oops. Am I sounding like a disgruntled soon-to-be former LP1 user? I just heard from the guys at Boomerang that we are only a few weeks = away from syncing on the B3. On Mar 27, 2012, at 12:51 AM, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > Being able to trigger the loop from any given subcycle is the killer = feature for me in mobius. Haven't found another software looper that = lets me do that yet (haven't been looking too hard). > Sylvain >=20 > On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 8:04 PM, Rick Walker = wrote: > There are several things I wish they would add (and we're trying to = remedy some of this > stuff with the LP-1 and the eventual LP-3 (on the drawing boards, as = we speak) >=20 > These are suggestions for multi-track loopers which, I realize are = more high end units: > This would be the LP-1, the RC300, the coming Evo Looping, et. al. >=20 > 1) immediate switching of tracks as one overdubs so that all > overdubs can automatically go to a separate track to then be = muted/multiplied/sliced and diced, et. al. >=20 > 2) The ability to simultaneously record an intial track to ALL tracks = of a multi track looper > so that, say, an initial percussion track, could be copied to all = tracks so that > verse, chorus and bridge iterations would automatically have that = track underneath them. >=20 > This would radically speed up the ability to do more complex song = forms. > Most artists eschew anything but A/B song forms because it takes so = long to build a track > in front of an audience. >=20 > 3) This next suggestion is not one that people are dumb for not = including as it is probably > wouldn't be used by that many people, but to be able to incorporate = the AKAI MPC paradigm > for manipulating syncrhonized samples in real time would be awesome on = a looper. >=20 > To be able to retrigger tracks so that, whereever you were in a song, = the thing you retriggered could > be done with musical values (1/8, 1/12, 1/16, 1/24, 1/32, 1/48, 1/64 = so that when > you lifted your foot on a momentary switch that loop would still be in = the same place in the loop > musically, speaking. >=20 > The wonderful VST program StutterEdit has this capability. >=20 > There are many more in my head but the coffee hasn't kicked into gear = yet. >=20 > Oh, and I so agree with Andy about Divide. > I used to love the function in the EDP that let you divide the loop = further and further down > to glitchy goodness with a SUS command (brain fart: what was that = called?) >=20 > Rick Walker >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 3/25/12 10:50 AM, andy butler wrote: > following the conversation that developed on the Boomerang thread. >=20 > ...just a rough sketch for comment, and keeping in mind that no one = feature set is right for everybody. >=20 > (and forgetting for the moment that almost any delay unit > can be pressed into looping usage) >=20 > The features that every looper has > 1) Record > 2) Overdub > 3) Erase >=20 > The features that are very commonly desirable, but could be left out = and still > leave a satisfying piece of kit. Depends a lot on the amount of floor = space > unit will take up. > 1) Reverse > 2) Speed change > 3) Stereo > 4) Midi sync > 5) Volume on loop(s) > 6) Undo/Redo >=20 >=20 > The features that get left out, but really shouldn't > 1) Option of going straight into Overdub > 2) Feedback control (at least during Overdub) > 3) Seamlessly re-record a loop ...(so unsupported that it's importance = is underestimated) > 4) Multiply ( or 2 or more loops to allow you to achieve it) > 5) Stop/Start > The features that add usefulness, but not at the expense of = essentials. > 1) Substitute/Replace 2) Insert > 3) Configurable Quantise > 4) Alternate Outputs >=20 >=20 > ...well that's enough from me...what do you all think? >=20 > andy >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_021A5DCA-36C3-417A-921B-A52770408134 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Easy sync to MIDI clock
Easy firmware upgrades

Oops. Am I sounding like a disgruntled soon-to-be former LP1 user?

I just heard from the guys at Boomerang that we are only a few weeks away from syncing on the B3.

On Mar 27, 2012, at 12:51 AM, Sylvain Poitras wrote:

Being able to trigger the loop from any given subcycle is the killer feature for me in mobius. Haven't found another software looper that lets me do that yet (haven't been looking too hard).
Sylvain

On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 8:04 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
There are several things I wish they would add (and we're trying to remedy some of this
stuff with the LP-1 and the eventual LP-3 (on the drawing boards, as we speak)

These are suggestions for multi-track loopers which, I realize are more high end units:
This would be the LP-1, the RC300, the coming Evo Looping, et. al.

1) immediate switching of tracks as one overdubs so that all
overdubs can automatically go to a separate track to then be muted/multiplied/sliced and diced, et. al.

2) The ability to simultaneously record an intial track to ALL tracks of a multi track looper
so that, say, an initial percussion track, could be copied to all tracks so that
verse, chorus and bridge iterations would automatically have that track underneath them.

This would radically speed up the ability to do more complex song forms.
Most artists eschew anything but A/B song forms because it takes so long to build a track
in front of an audience.

3) This next suggestion is not one that people are dumb for not including as it is probably
wouldn't be used by that many people, but to be able to incorporate the AKAI MPC paradigm
for manipulating syncrhonized samples in real time would be awesome on a looper.

To be able to retrigger tracks so that, whereever you were in a song, the thing you retriggered could
be done with musical values (1/8, 1/12, 1/16, 1/24, 1/32, 1/48, 1/64 so that when
you lifted your foot on a momentary switch that loop would still be in the same place in the loop
musically, speaking.

The wonderful VST program StutterEdit has this capability.

There are many more in my head but the coffee hasn't kicked into gear yet.

Oh, and I so agree with Andy about Divide.
I used to love the function in the EDP that let you divide the loop further and further down
to glitchy goodness with a SUS command (brain fart: what was that called?)

Rick Walker

On 3/25/12 10:50 AM, andy butler wrote:

following the conversation that developed on the Boomerang thread.

...just a rough sketch for comment, and keeping in mind that no one feature set is right for everybody.

(and forgetting for the moment that almost any delay unit
can be pressed into looping usage)

The features that every looper has
1) Record
2) Overdub
3) Erase

The features that are very commonly desirable, but could be left out and still
leave a satisfying piece of kit. Depends a lot on the amount of floor space
unit will take up.
1) Reverse
2) Speed change
3) Stereo
4) Midi sync
5) Volume on loop(s)
6) Undo/Redo

The features that get left out, but really shouldn't
1) Option of going straight into Overdub
2) Feedback control (at least during Overdub)
3) Seamlessly re-record a loop ...(so unsupported that it's importance is underestimated)
4) Multiply ( or 2 or more loops to allow you to achieve it)
5) Stop/Start
The features that add usefulness, but not at the expense of essentials.
1) Substitute/Replace 2) Insert
3) Configurable Quantise
4) Alternate Outputs

...well that's enough from me...what do you all think?

andy

--Apple-Mail=_021A5DCA-36C3-417A-921B-A52770408134-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 14:32:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A688118345E; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 14:32:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=psWcb5N98119OaOi9bjyg15qVElTHlpKZyP+LUQnThs= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:17 a=1MVvzjdVAAAA:20 a=xZ8NYclzo06mzz5mFtwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=IxEsSeb2qXl4vVysFfAgQQ==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: live at Blue Shell, Cologne From: Ted Killian In-Reply-To: <007301cd0bdf$6e6b22e0$4b4168a0$@de> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:32:25 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3F9D21F7-06D8-463D-B509-2630FF2EF78A@charter.net> References: <20120326180708.F0B94183463@arsenic.violacea.com> <007301cd0bdf$6e6b22e0$4b4168a0$@de> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 14:32:31 +0000 (UTC) Michael, This is very, very good. Lovely musicality and invention. Love the reverb on the guitar too BTW. I've been playing largely without it lately and this reminded me how = much I miss it. Best, Ted On Mar 26, 2012, at 11:04 PM, Michael Peters wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DzWhtYxKGn2E > =20 > a 27 minute guitar livelooping improvisation using Johannes Noisebud's = "Catchdad", several instances of Matthias Grob's "Echoloop", and various = otherplugins, all running in Plogue Bidule. Thanks to Markus Apitius for = inviting me to his Lied United concert series > =20 > Michael Peters > =20 > =20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 17:31:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E998E183460; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:31:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 737722932/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.16.243/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.16.243 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAIX4cU9YbRDz/2dsb2JhbAANOLtWAQEBBDgRLxELBxEJFggHCQMCAQIBNBEZAwGIEbowjWuDJASWcoRMhVeHYQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,327,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="737722932" Message-ID: <4F71F942.9020706@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:30:42 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP loop divide Was Re: What are the looper features ................. References: <4F700C8A.3000707@tiscali.co.uk> <4F70DEEC.5040708@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:31:42 +0000 (UTC) Yep, it's just one button press. It's a shortpress 8th Quantised SUSMult. It's more footwork if you want to save the loop rather than destroy it permanently. It's not the same as the Mobius version because that will half a loop, and on EDP always produces a half cycle. andy mark francombe wrote: > Well in theory at least... the alternate endings on EDP are quite normal > practice actually Rick, the fact that every parameter, all seven of them > has seven different ways to close the function (of course not all do > much) is very powerful. > > Its STILL not quite the same as the divide on Mobius though is it Andy? > the 2 step shuffle is always going to be a hang-up here, the one foot > press for this function is kind of necessary... > Put it this way... the thing I want in a looper is not on EDP ...OK? > > but its always nice to try out a new Butler suggestion! > > On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 11:26 PM, Rick Walker > wrote: > > On 3/25/12 11:28 PM, andy butler wrote: >> >> and lo, the loop divideth with precision to a length >> of half it's original length. > another beautiful sermon-miniature from Loop Pastor, Andy Butler. > Seriously, your knowledge set is always impressive, Andy. > > r. > > > > > -- > /_Mark Francombe_/ > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 17:54:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33DA8183460; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:54:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=k7ATSrYQMUpvvvSLwMSGkKlC3PcsFy4r+VBoweF2jAk=; b=Uf0M2woo/4eQQ5WlPrBjY/8jxJzw3WFrox+ppAL0AbDSc6op2NSpQQT95Kf02AnixG bMixj5BeLXdTRymsYSpjMRhngho4K2eEr+Mk6n0xfiAZ/mP8sjHNtE33mL8dOMXGIZ// FNKZ/YxfIdHgt1XsmOxUSIbceL8ZTIALhlJxz4869iJ7+gvcsN9xc15lgzVH5fAOiA8+ O5kG9CdkMkKeErmE2dzZ7kVMZuBSEKFQAIul6nyE968E0DZqU0DwBg4fIygfuohYC4u5 Z8gLCpLnIdKKC2/00cZEwZfUUsSJHcikiDzfJQ5USVFzgq96YgB+FO+ODyZbY1ciST2j 2BqQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 12:54:26 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04426f148f25e604bc3d2eb4 Resent-Message-ID: <2kSHtD.A.BrG.T7fcPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:54:28 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04426f148f25e604bc3d2eb4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 part of this goes back to my premise: WHAT IS A LOOPER? we talk about FEEDBACK CONTROL but isn't feedback control really a function of: DIGITAL/ANALOG DELAYS??? so this would (for me) fall under DELAY LOOPING!!! well i think. i haven't had many of the phrase samplers loopers-do any of them have feedback control? the funny thing (to me again) is they newish BOSS looper (rc3 and rc30) they eliminate the REVERSE on their looper but the 2nd gen of the digitech jamman has reverse. and i think: what are these co's doing?? it just seems odd.... i still wish they'd put a TIME KNOB on phrase samplers so you could do the varispeed/pitchshifting thing like i could do on my old: DOD d12/echolution/eh 16ddl (i know the lexicon pcm 42 did it, as well as the electrix repeater), etc.... to me if they are supposedly modelling what old tape loops could do, you'd put that feature IN!!!! as to rick's comment on the Vox dynamic looper- i thought it was great at first....i'm now moving into the love/hate w/ it, not b/c of the feedback control, i think in general my love for phrase samplers is not great... although i will say that the post loop effects are interesting-the ability to manipulate the speed (fast or slow) or pitch (up or down) is fun (granted the eh16ddl did this), and the reverse is nice, i will say the stutter is kind of interesting...it reminds me of what my boss slicer could do (so in a way it's combining 2 boxes in there!)...and the scrum is interesting...not sure if i still understand it, but it sounds cool.... s--- Scott Hansen wrote: I look at the list below, and i think, wow, people want THE MOON!!! yeah...but you wish like mad your Vox Dynamic had a feedback control don't you. ;-) The main idea of the thread is that it's not inconceivable there would be some kind of *minimum* feature set that manufacturers wouldn't ignore. ...well maybe you're right and that is lunar. andy --f46d04426f148f25e604bc3d2eb4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
part of this goes back to my premise: WHAT IS A L= OOPER?
we talk about FEEDBACK CONTROL but isn't feedback control rea= lly a function of: DIGITAL/ANALOG DELAYS???
so this would (for me) fall = under DELAY LOOPING!!! well i think.
i haven't had many of the phrase samplers loopers-do any of them have f= eedback control?

the funny thing (to me again) is they newish BOSS l= ooper (rc3 and rc30) they eliminate the REVERSE on their looper
but the = 2nd gen of the digitech jamman has reverse.

and i think: what are these co's doing?? it just seems odd....
<= br>i still wish they'd put a TIME KNOB on phrase samplers so you could = do the varispeed/pitchshifting thing like i could do on my old:
DOD d12/= echolution/eh 16ddl (i know the lexicon pcm 42 did it, as well as the elect= rix repeater), etc....
to me if they are supposedly modelling what old tape loops could do, you= 9;d put that feature IN!!!!

as to rick's comment on the Vox dyna= mic looper-
i thought it was great at first....i'm now moving into t= he love/hate w/ it, not b/c of the feedback control, i think in general my<= br> love for phrase samplers is not great...
although i will say that the po= st loop effects are interesting-the ability to manipulate the speed (fast o= r slow) or pitch (up or down)
is fun (granted the eh16ddl did this), and= the reverse is nice, i will say the stutter is kind of interesting...it re= minds me of what my
boss slicer could do (so in a way it's combining 2 boxes in there!)...a= nd the scrum is interesting...not sure if i still understand it, but
it = sounds cool....

s---

Scott Hansen wrote:
I look at the list below, and i t= hink, wow, people want THE MOON!!!
yeah...but you wish like mad y= our Vox Dynamic had a feedback control
don't you.=20
;-) The main idea of the thread is that it's not inconceivable there would be some kind of *minimum* feature set that manufacturers wouldn't ignore. ...well maybe you're right and that is lunar. andy
--f46d04426f148f25e604bc3d2eb4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 18:45:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EC03183460; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:45:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_1d1214d2-2037-4e85-9b92-8b5bd17939a2_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: live at Blue Shell, Cologne Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:44:59 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <007301cd0bdf$6e6b22e0$4b4168a0$@de> References: <20120326180708.F0B94183463@arsenic.violacea.com>,<007301cd0bdf$6e6b22e0$4b4168a0$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Mar 2012 18:44:59.0883 (UTC) FILETIME=[B692C3B0:01CD0C49] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:45:01 +0000 (UTC) --_1d1214d2-2037-4e85-9b92-8b5bd17939a2_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable JUst great THANKS! From: mp@mpeters.de To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: live at Blue Shell=2C Cologne Date: Tue=2C 27 Mar 2012 08:04:11 +0200 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DzWhtYxKGn2E a 27 minute guitar livelooping= improvisation using Johannes Noisebud's "Catchdad"=2C several instances of= Matthias Grob's "Echoloop"=2C and various other plugins=2C all running in = Plogue Bidule. Thanks to Markus Apitius for inviting me to his Lied United = concert series Michael Peters = --_1d1214d2-2037-4e85-9b92-8b5bd17939a2_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
JUst great THANKS!

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Subject: live at Blue Shell=2C Cologne
Date: Tue=2C 27 Mar 2012= 08:04:11 +0200

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= --_1d1214d2-2037-4e85-9b92-8b5bd17939a2_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 19:26:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91B49183463; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 19:26:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Ry8bk/EOt4n3wazBPlv2zuJqHx43dqdYRC7gdsLXPuw=; b=HEoEStbdMFB14ieiMttHlr9O3z027W5QW0sfQwOesyzAqRiyGwBoVvqzVRjdUBb0Tj LX1ZNR2t6pVLfi+EegjnmKB1NkioP+3m1wWBPqXy9A6KI5x1936iOr11A9ZfkWw8wvMU ZZS6NpIimX7Ig7p+FuHzlViSRxzCIoIXN/nt1QdNihUFfhzyR1JkCqM/wosBmgjt/nKg LrK1nRAMfFfPQTOqYi0QlEpdSrx5WCT7Zlz1MWOv3Hnu4cZ/ylLOjHMF3/7EDmO5H1Q6 9AKJsEl6lhv8+vdbbJDx6Z5hjHYHiSnv8dN6rYGNaACF7BRm2wfvUMo2Lkk+Nb/mdbbZ qokQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 15:26:10 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f642daa9a336704bc3e7614 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 19:26:11 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f642daa9a336704bc3e7614 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Scott Hansen wrote: > part of this goes back to my premise: WHAT IS A LOOPER? > we talk about FEEDBACK CONTROL but isn't feedback control really a function of: DIGITAL/ANALOG DELAYS??? > so this would (for me) fall under DELAY LOOPING!!! well i think. > > i haven't had many of the phrase samplers loopers-do any of them have feedback control? > > The EH 2880 and the Line 6 M9/M13 have feedback control but it is different than long delay type looping which is my fav also :) I would like to have a "super" Boss DD 20 with speed control and reverse and although I have never tried it, some type of multiply because I like what some of you guys are doing with those rhythmic things you do with your loopers! I am guessing that that is impossible for a long delay pedal because I have never seen it. best, Jeff --e89a8f642daa9a336704bc3e7614 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Scott H= ansen <evanpee= wee@gmail.com> wrote:

part of this goes back to my premise: WHAT IS A L= OOPER?
we talk about FEEDBACK CONTROL but isn't feedback control rea= lly a function of: DIGITAL/ANALOG DELAYS???
so this would (for me) fall = under DELAY LOOPING!!! well i think.
i haven't had many of the phrase samplers loopers-do any of them have f= eedback control?

The EH 2880 and the Lin= e 6 M9/M13 have feedback control but it is different than long delay type l= ooping which is my fav also :)

I would like to have a "super" Boss DD 20 with speed control = and reverse and although I have never tried it, some type of multiply becau= se I like what some of you guys are doing with those rhythmic things you do= with your loopers! I am guessing that that is impossible for a long delay = pedal because I have never seen it.

best,

Jeff

--e89a8f642daa9a336704bc3e7614-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 19:26:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B652183455; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 19:26:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=bRJrt9B9R63pCZWoA4sYMdd/R7LuQI6c//Egz+ekH5ZGKbq50o54eHYXPqGda8qn; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <22040595.1332876415104.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 12:26:54 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: live at Blue Shell, Cologne Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd4845f73422d47a08454fd20182e49201c3d16aef77543258d0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.38 Resent-Message-ID: <__tc5C.A.q5H.AShcPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 19:26:56 +0000 (UTC) I listened to the whole thing also and to echo/paraphrase Rick W.-too much reverberation is never a good thing.in the old days i would hear Dave Torn or Bill Frisell throw a long ass studio reverb tail on a guitar portion of a tune-tastefully done-but this 'cistern' setting on these new fangled plug-ins drive me bonkers. this is a nicely done piece but unfortunately i hear that unrealistic reverb as a separate signal devoid of the song/work. sorry-thats just me and i do love reverb in general-being an old surfguitar guy.this i wish was a longer piece:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvNDJk8fnMQ -----Original Message----- From: Anders Bergdahl Sent: Mar 27, 2012 11:44 AM To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: live at Blue Shell, Cologne JUst great THANKS! From: mp@mpeters.de To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: live at Blue Shell, Cologne Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 08:04:11 +0200 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWhtYxKGn2E a 27 minute guitar livelooping improvisation using Johannes Noisebud's "Catchdad", several instances of Matthias Grob's "Echoloop", and various other plugins, all running in Plogue Bidule. Thanks to Markus Apitius for inviting me to his Lied United concert series Michael Peters From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 20:15:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25494183464; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 20:15:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zsiI3us3F5xQkRcOM8RTZXLkHjZaq81UJOGctyu2NfI=; b=Snr2pQ3+qmdEQMmexe317gpnk7DYm/qGH/rSxGes9vK4Kzi6jMHII6B2qwMKZOJCu5 yFmCKw8zIxXTRhYOQJ8HRkbtMuJ+Sc+k5DSk9XhvPgfWjLZVGzsF7xK4PR31ZxMa4z0x VkshKEvmgmCL1yWtyJJmOEkdcG/ysIFv4FcYyaz2e86sGfsHn6R+mv1YXpF4uobfjNMP 9oZuQtoQlHJw3RkC6t5LF3126ReOnnhSFEsrAkTct204F7iDY4+1+N85CnHWsib22Vks f4Fo80HngZ54/Cs+R3KfqdK8FMAysV39ClcT63ulllNRMnBCw8qtbZXynpUsumhTwnVy ftog== Message-ID: <4F721FF7.6080602@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 22:15:51 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 20:15:54 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Duke schrieb: > I would like to have a "super" Boss DD 20 with speed control and > reverse and although I have never tried it, some type of multiply > because I like what some of you guys are doing with those rhythmic > things you do with your loopers! I am guessing that that is impossible > for a long delay pedal because I have never seen it. The non-super DD20 version already has some type of multiply (if you use it in delay mode, not in SOS mode, but I believe that's what all of us do ;). With an already existing delay (loop), just tap a new (shorter or longer) length. Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 20:23:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 307A718345B; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 20:23:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <20120327201554.A09A8183463@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20120327201554.A09A8183463@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: RE: live at Blue Shell, Cologne Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 22:23:26 +0200 Message-ID: <006301cd0c57$778ab700$66a02500$@de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0064_01CD0C68.3B138700" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0MVm9wzE60uYiaRgy+ZE1gDHAKIgAAHwfw Content-Language: de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 20:23:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01CD0C68.3B138700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > too much reverberation is never a good thing =20 have to agree with you in this case, Stan. Somehow it sounded different = when I did it live, but now I don't particularly like the reverb sound = on the recording, myself. I've always been a reverb junkie and I love = Budd/Guthrie music that is totally soaked in reverb but it has to sound = good - this one somehow doesn't sound as good as I thought. Although Ted = likes it, and after the gig, nobody complained about the reverb. = Strange. Will have to put particular attention on the reverb next time = but then, my next gig (May 19 I think) will take place in a church = anyway :) =20 -Michael =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01CD0C68.3B138700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> too much reverberation is never a = good thing

have to agree with you = in this case, Stan. Somehow it sounded different when I did it live, but = now I don't particularly like the reverb sound on the recording, myself. = I've always been a reverb junkie and I love Budd/Guthrie music that is = totally soaked in reverb but it has to sound good - this one somehow = doesn't sound as good as I thought. Although Ted likes it, and after the = gig, nobody complained about the reverb. Strange. Will have to put = particular attention on the reverb next time but then, my next gig (May = 19 I think) will take place in a church anyway = :)
<= /p>
-Michael
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------=_NextPart_000_0064_01CD0C68.3B138700-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 20:28:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 925BC18345E; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 20:28:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ddZJfWNmX21RlET1gWiEoYYwoZH41Mfdk90gJrSGb7w=; b=lsoofAKWuAhzbPxVXTJWhTo15cUJsikzXzdkNJ9ZFFUrk39JAlUKXx3O0wSjBVIBsI UzG2Roy+vDnlPWPr4C4i5+yL+vMu4S0gnpULX9FN91VcN/FhmJaCDtwodQ6xfyC7RoCC XsceIHhKzpav6GD4vDB1UkAXWOpbtTDDtAupRIzK5qUzEqSnb2gr4ftlVgZMFe2G4pD1 Y9UglemC4Yk/jtTImree7kVpbtGrLGmbajoEivJ7WMG+GzSDNkvDlcE+VEMnJ4G1cPq4 EwcXbiK616RmQUWu8OppyGKlcB87jJaJQXc2qVZeOZZX7yVLYSz/XUjjm07pHYcI99Ef D3RQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F721FF7.6080602@googlemail.com> References: <4F721FF7.6080602@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:28:48 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0444693f97d92f04bc3f56ea Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 20:28:49 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0444693f97d92f04bc3f56ea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 you are correct on that Rainer, I will work on that feature more. I would just have to be pretty accurate with the taps instead of having a preset for it. any of you tech types able to tell me why a delay pedal such as the DD 20 could not have a forward/reverse capability? It has a reverse delay but no way to reverse an existing loop. Why are all loopers that have a reverse/half speed capability "phrase samplers"? Why can't a delay pedal have these features? Jeff On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > Jeff Duke schrieb: > >> I would like to have a "super" Boss DD 20 with speed control and reverse >> and although I have never tried it, some type of multiply because I like >> what some of you guys are doing with those rhythmic things you do with your >> loopers! I am guessing that that is impossible for a long delay pedal >> because I have never seen it. >> > The non-super DD20 version already has some type of multiply (if you use > it in delay mode, not in SOS mode, but I believe that's what all of us do > ;). With an already existing delay (loop), just tap a new (shorter or > longer) length. > > Rainer > > -- > http://moinlabs.de > Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs > > --f46d0444693f97d92f04bc3f56ea Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable you are correct on that Rainer, I will work on that feature more. I would j= ust have to be pretty accurate with the taps instead of having a preset for= it.

any of you tech types able to tell me why a delay pedal such as= the DD 20 could not have a forward/reverse capability? It has a reverse de= lay but no way to reverse an existing loop.

Why are all loopers that have a reverse/half speed capability "phr= ase samplers"? Why can't a delay pedal have these features?
Jeff

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 4:15 PM= , Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote:=

Jeff Duke schrieb:

I would like to have a "super" Boss DD 20 with speed control and = reverse and although I have never tried it, some type of multiply because I= like what some of you guys are doing with those rhythmic things you do wit= h your loopers! I am guessing that that is impossible for a long delay peda= l because I have never seen it.

The non-super DD20 version already has some type of multiply (if you use it= in delay mode, not in SOS mode, but I believe that's what all of us do= ;). With an already existing delay (loop), just tap a new (shorter or long= er) length.

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Rainer

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--f46d0444693f97d92f04bc3f56ea-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 20:28:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B11C2183474; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 20:28:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=aVNbG1ucAhYejWbHmS/9D0X1kUWLu/V4fMUb/3farKPmXgE3LjKJcyIG8KPche+w; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <28829757.1332880123664.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:28:43 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: live at Blue Shell, Cologne Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd4841eca0c8bcdd11d6a792bbd9e3389301f2c98678957fd5f6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.38 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 20:28:54 +0000 (UTC) thanks for replyi= ng Michael-i was so afraid my words soundded so negatory-which was not my i= ntent. now church reverb is the coolest reverb-good luck w/ that!
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Peters
Sent: Mar 27, 2012 1:23 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: live at Blue Shell, Cologne

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have to agree with you in this case, Stan. Somehow it= sounded different when I did it live, but now I don't particularly like th= e reverb sound on the recording, myself. I've always been a reverb junkie a= nd I love Budd/Guthrie music that is totally soaked in reverb but it has to= sound good - this one somehow doesn't sound as good as I thought. Although= Ted likes it, and after the gig, nobody complained about the reverb. Stran= ge. Will have to put particular attention on the reverb next time but then,= my next gig (May 19 I think) will take place in a church anyway :)

-Michael

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 20:29:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1EF93183462; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 20:29:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=j/Ql2ZYMsyb6kjuU2GGgNQdGGl768DlHIuwKmxccRxk=; b=pJPuwTILL7+ywwlsGz75cBASf2VgjgpkkAXpBW/amoTsOLUm8N/a0bZbC/mHsbYw2I OzrlDZNMdmziFFav15Ftgz9uevs0WNEQRvZmH7uAmBnWKBhtoGreyb3rE4C8KqBNSoMN xtuY/6o4H7g0PsurnAxNnJPXOj3b55PlzHN63E8ofQxNg53OCzESx3yjdbURgJACI2EH 1qbmWFmiuR/JSfCyJNPPp3QmY83aRVg9eDyc6pXFniDXyy8g+/shH+T3aGrC+AvjnyWA HvjourMJYTR0ybqd7qHTdPNkGGt+y78vGRqGPSuxCVhS3qGtn+ARxTkeZnVGTDcBrVer 5VvA== References: <4F700C8A.3000707@tiscali.co.uk> <4F70DEEC.5040708@cruzio.com> <4F71F942.9020706@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: <4F71F942.9020706@tiscali.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 22:29:14 +0200 Message-ID: <-323779457659098132@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: EDP loop divide Was Re: What are the looper features ................. To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <8ZH-5C.A.-7.eMicPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 20:29:18 +0000 (UTC) God damn you Butler... you said 8th=2quant INSERT mult... thats 2 button presses!!! Now i have to go and switch the studio back on and try this infernal shortpress 8th Quantised SUSMult of which you speak... And we're trying to pack for a Flight to UK tomorrow... the wife will complain... theyll be hell to pay... so if you suggest some facsinating cock-eyed clever clogs settings tomorrow Butler, I'll be coming round... ok.. Cambridge is only a stones throw from Norwich... so quit with the smart-ass ok? m Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 27 Mar 2012, at 19:31, andy butler wrote: > Yep, > it's just one button press. > > It's a shortpress 8th Quantised SUSMult. > > It's more footwork if you want to save the loop > rather than destroy it permanently. > > It's not the same as the Mobius version because that > will half a loop, and on EDP always produces a half cycle. > > andy > > > mark francombe wrote: >> Well in theory at least... the alternate endings on EDP are quite normal practice actually Rick, the fact that every parameter, all seven of them has seven different ways to close the function (of course not all do much) is very powerful. >> Its STILL not quite the same as the divide on Mobius though is it Andy? the 2 step shuffle is always going to be a hang-up here, the one foot press for this function is kind of necessary... >> Put it this way... the thing I want in a looper is not on EDP ...OK? >> but its always nice to try out a new Butler suggestion! >> On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 11:26 PM, Rick Walker > wrote: >> On 3/25/12 11:28 PM, andy butler wrote: >>> >>> and lo, the loop divideth with precision to a length >>> of half it's original length. >> another beautiful sermon-miniature from Loop Pastor, Andy Butler. >> Seriously, your knowledge set is always impressive, Andy. >> r. >> -- >> /_Mark Francombe_/ >> www.markfrancombe.com >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://www.looop.no >> twitter @markfrancombe >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 20:44:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C2CD183464; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 20:44:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=hAmbjz9RejYhyrKvD4j0k2uzh8xqe2XqZeUiTG56OBs=; b=KSkJlS5jlqe0Ft+Vh5zCLKrOXOK45PyHFpYKR9VnlIJigyn2Rn9WO3sw3PY8AHnRfe /+1YVptzD5gRWubZIy+dAMn11B6af30i77FbEGftW4O7CYEixu7MErATF+h8qLUgGl64 SfuLfMLbn2sas9Q69EOt/hvgZlD7WDmxj0QB+7UOVRlPW7kaoA6jMDaGnS5xuYHNpUTq pRetiDA3QXa3w8q/aErE/WJc1ua9RIjhu1lmVLbgYi03oJyWqurdRg0ef/vhBEIy71hu fMbpmmL5QPj34h6XLql6sAN8+UcV95AAOqW8evvq69hKMgTGYUVb61mf00//lkaDfYTq W2bw== Message-ID: <4F7226A7.8080205@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 22:44:23 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? References: <4F721FF7.6080602@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <06BUPB.A.4LB.oaicPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 20:44:24 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Duke schrieb: > Why are all loopers that have a reverse/half speed capability "phrase > samplers"? Why can't a delay pedal have these features? This really depends on your definition of "phrase samplers". The EDP which, due to its concept of "primary feedback", is (to me) the closest to a delay of all proper loopers, has reverse (although if I remember correctly only got it in a later SW version?). Depending on the way a delay is built technically, doing reverse is more or less tricky. Furthermore, most delay effects are not used as loopers, so reverse algorithms typically taylor to the "realtime reverse guitar solo" application, such as in e.g. the TC D2, Line6 DL4, SMM w/Hazari, Sony GR-MP5 or whatever. They always have some kind of "intelligence" which tells them when to kick into reverse, which can produce rather unpredictable results, which, depending on what you're after, can be fun - try it running two different reverse delays in parallel and see what happens. Btw, there's a fun thing in the SMM w/Hazari, which is the 1sec+Rev Multitap mode, where in addition to a 1sec multitap delay, you get the possibility to play back the last 6 seconds in reverse by pressing a button. Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 20:53:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8601D183462; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 20:53:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=UPUku8twwLWzZGyQicyp90h+7y4EFRT0f6Ts8N5UomQ=; b=EdeDiKcSU7l/l/UMXz0La06/oVRZoHU+pLgj2jSIMop1Sxejz3JYF3jpKEKSRjomx7 1UaklrPKacHqP7c2Y1NpaZK3GHYJKhpHF9/LzCLTCP37OE729rEZAy8AXJJtEOfJXTrG ZY4G41oEuXQXRYqOu9BSsx6b6jZG7Dm42R85qgHDRebWOhEI0cYqFZHptu+CdjiFpU0M 5LgIcCcf4ucUiISjAOqcTAcMV1ybOTsWv4CzjbqUKp8T9CV4vGiS7GUJ6h5YmzSttKtN S1nYOo32K/Naid44z6I9U4W90YyW3EHkIXJ6gDIn/a6EZ6Ynpbs/0hm09iObmcYJVGhV FG4w== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <28829757.1332880123664.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <28829757.1332880123664.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:53:25 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: live at Blue Shell, Cologne From: Art Simon To: stanitarium@earthlink.net Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93404bf9d9a6e04bc3faec9 Resent-Message-ID: <5oXOd.A.AgB.GjicPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 20:53:26 +0000 (UTC) --14dae93404bf9d9a6e04bc3faec9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I got the day off, and I'm just soaking this in. It's on it's third rotation. Great music! Makes me think of Frisell at times (and mean that as a compliment) love the glitchyness. Didn't notice or think about the reverb. Well Done! On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:28 PM, wrote: > thanks for replying Michael-i was so afraid my words soundded so > negatory-which was not my intent. now church reverb is the coolest > reverb-good luck w/ that! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Peters ** > Sent: Mar 27, 2012 1:23 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: live at Blue Shell, Cologne > > ** **************** ** ** ** > 1024x768** **** ******** ** **Clean** ** ** **21** ** ** ** **false** ** > false** **false** ** **DE** **X-NONE** **X-NONE** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** > ** ** ** ** ************************ **MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 > ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** *********************************** > *** ******** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** * > * ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** > ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** > ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** > ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** > ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ******************** > ************************************************************************** > ************************************************************************** > ************************************************************************** > ********************************** ************ ** ********** ** ** ****** > ************************************** > > > too much reverberation is never a good thing**** > > ** ** > > have to agree with you in this case, Stan. Somehow it sounded different > when I did it live, but now I don't particularly like the reverb sound on > the recording, myself. I've always been a reverb junkie and I love > Budd/Guthrie music that is totally soaked in reverb but it has to sound > good - this one somehow doesn't sound as good as I thought. Although Ted > likes it, and after the gig, nobody complained about the reverb. Strange. > Will have to put particular attention on the reverb next time but then, my > next gig (May 19 I think) will take place in a church anyway :)**** > > ** ** > > -Michael**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > ******** > > -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com --14dae93404bf9d9a6e04bc3faec9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I got the day off, and I'm just soaking this in. It's on it's t= hird rotation. Great music! Makes me think of Frisell at times (and mean th= at as a compliment) love the glitchyness. Didn't notice or think about = the reverb. Well Done!

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:28 PM, <stanitarium@earth= link.net> wrote:

thanks f= or replying Michael-i was so afraid my words soundded so negatory-which was= not my intent. now church reverb is the coolest reverb-good luck w/ that!<= br>
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--14dae93404bf9d9a6e04bc3faec9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Mar 27 22:07:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63DE3183460; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 22:07:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=v/vR4lkq/RiACn561SHXz5ofUg7z7IWbqcU3KQizkIk=; b=EuS6oZLBBLbGm85Z+8/dy92k9UXrfCDvIDXlm6cpgPhQCCxkoOCIyL9m39nVNHu7cs QpZqqhqxiIW2ygXZE1qybxF56CBH+ns8UweXSEHiipQrOZs60UUQnoAg6JeAueEaNGR0 KTJczhrg8hDnP9VmcQA2S2+oqwzm75ADq7rdftsxuV06FL0/JkjgH7wgNYVhulo+Y7mz JmbSE1GIl0C8A6BdVtF5EcWIMWElMgC6Ci1Y3VsMJPNkrpyV9uNewdAV3FrPruSbPPYQ lmafEZud08l7I8gfuRl7mkqHYEh3N7cAZDxDeWYl+4X8V/kKyjau0Lmo3HJGNy4aFWL4 6XgA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F7226A7.8080205@googlemail.com> References: <4F721FF7.6080602@googlemail.com> <4F7226A7.8080205@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:07:41 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb1ffa444025404bc40b839 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 22:07:43 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8fb1ffa444025404bc40b839 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Some good stuff there Rainer! Yeah ok if the DL4 and other short delays can do the forward/reverse it should be easy enough to add that to a long delay. Of course this is done by a knob or ex ped to go from dry to 100% wet. Should be able to make a button to do this easy enough. I really liked the way that the old Digitech Space Station handled the transition from forward to reverse on good old preset 10 (I think). There was a kind of warped thing going on in there like a morph rather than just a mix control.. but I digress :) Basically they could do a lot more and would if there was a market for it. Sigh, being an old school delay type looping guy is tough :) So Stereo, at least two delay lines (sync or non sync), each about 30 sec minimum, reverse via ex ped/button with differing transitions, plenty of speed modifying options ala Scott Hanson plus regular harmonic transitions ala the first Boomerang, separate feedback control for each delay line operable even when it is not being overdubbed on (DD20 does this in a way), being able to feed one line into the other (or not), and some rhythmic stuff like slicing/multiply and all that other EDP style stuff that is possible, make it harmony capable like the Time Bender and hell let's make it upgradable via usb for further tweaking! You hear this gear industry? I know you would have at least one sale here, lol peace out, Jeff http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/ http://vimeo.com/jeffduke On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > Jeff Duke schrieb: > >> Why are all loopers that have a reverse/half speed capability "phrase >> samplers"? Why can't a delay pedal have these features? >> > This really depends on your definition of "phrase samplers". The EDP > which, due to its concept of "primary feedback", is (to me) the closest to > a delay of all proper loopers, has reverse (although if I remember > correctly only got it in a later SW version?). > > Depending on the way a delay is built technically, doing reverse is more > or less tricky. > Furthermore, most delay effects are not used as loopers, so reverse > algorithms typically taylor to the "realtime reverse guitar solo" > application, such as in e.g. the TC D2, Line6 DL4, SMM w/Hazari, Sony > GR-MP5 or whatever. They always have some kind of "intelligence" which > tells them when to kick into reverse, which can produce rather > unpredictable results, which, depending on what you're after, can be fun - > try it running two different reverse delays in parallel and see what > happens. > > Btw, there's a fun thing in the SMM w/Hazari, which is the 1sec+Rev > Multitap mode, where in addition to a 1sec multitap delay, you get the > possibility to play back the last 6 seconds in reverse by pressing a button. > > Rainer > > -- > http://moinlabs.de > Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs > > --e89a8fb1ffa444025404bc40b839 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some good stuff there Rainer! Yeah ok if the DL4 and other short delays can= do the forward/reverse it should be easy enough to add that to a long dela= y. Of course this is done by a knob or ex ped to go from dry to 100% wet. S= hould be able to make a button to do this easy enough.
I really liked the way that the old Digitech Space Station handled the tran= sition from forward to reverse on good old preset 10 (I think). There was a= kind of warped thing going on in there like a morph rather than just a mix= control.. but I digress :)

Basically they could do a lot more and would if there was a market for = it. Sigh, being an old school delay type looping guy is tough :)=A0
So Stereo, at least two delay lines (sync or non sync), each about 30 sec = minimum, reverse via ex ped/button with differing transitions, plenty of sp= eed modifying options ala Scott Hanson plus regular harmonic transitions al= a the first Boomerang, separate feedback control for each delay line operab= le even when it is not being overdubbed on (DD20 does this in a way), being= able to feed one line into the other (or not), and some rhythmic stuff lik= e slicing/multiply and all that other EDP style stuff that is possible, mak= e it harmony capable like the Time Bender and hell let's make it upgrad= able via usb for further tweaking!

You hear this gear industry? I know you would have at least one sale he= re, lol

peace out,

Jeff

http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/
http://vimeo.com/jeffduke

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Rai= ner Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote:
Jeff Duke schrieb:

Why are all loopers that have a reverse/half speed capability "phrase = samplers"? Why can't a delay pedal have these features?

This really depends on your definition of "phrase samplers". The = EDP which, due to its concept of "primary feedback", is (to me) t= he closest to a delay of all proper loopers, has reverse (although if I rem= ember correctly only got it in a later SW version?).

Depending on the way a delay is built technically, doing reverse is more or= less tricky.
Furthermore, most delay effects are not used as loopers, so reverse algorit= hms typically taylor to the "realtime reverse guitar solo" applic= ation, such as in e.g. the TC D2, Line6 DL4, SMM w/Hazari, Sony GR-MP5 or w= hatever. They always have some kind of "intelligence" which tells= them when to kick into reverse, which can produce rather unpredictable res= ults, which, depending on what you're after, can be fun - try it runnin= g two different reverse delays in parallel and see what happens.

Btw, there's a fun thing in the SMM w/Hazari, which is the 1sec+Rev Mul= titap mode, where in addition to a 1sec multitap delay, you get the possibi= lity to play back the last 6 seconds in reverse by pressing a button.

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Rainer

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--e89a8fb1ffa444025404bc40b839-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 01:03:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D338018345E; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 01:03:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=J5NnHbwb5v1JvOM2DNwIRilZ5vtBcc1iFmsD+q7TjWE=; b=0JOmRDPLCt7k+M2VsP0gpan5sIGqmcXseSBjDnToDroglHI27Vtff7BV+mKvqzEthd h1kakFXJdvb141NTQ27TFFjMgcJm0IsRMRZo7wjFA0vqqPyNA6yf96qdbaRwyYx26CU2 tflbJEesxtbrZOP94PuLzBbeIFs+CRcbz0b+QoE0ah/QkkikgObIRSTKOysuIUkD/MqX 0L/lscMjjZ7pTlrvfd/2OHbjhZCH0+QW4E8T3waQIv47xiFrBz391L+5QOJCc3RRWagt 42ouxhDwI3oyphpkITS3cG+hcNqTkGQ4/G3yhKjzISzKVWX94sdGjx0pC2p2Av4A4BMg xy8Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 20:03:29 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: ....features manufacturers leave out (SUPER BOSS DD20) From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f3bb0cff0fb1c04bc432c07 Resent-Message-ID: <9BMWID.A.SbD.iNmcPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 01:03:30 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f3bb0cff0fb1c04bc432c07 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ok, if the DD20 had reverse and ability to control the speed (slow-fast) THAT WOULD BE AWESOME!!!! essentially to me, you're talking about the electro-harmonix 16 DDL...which does the fwd/reverse/speed/pitch control... i think what sort of hurts that unit, well besides being DISCONTINUED...., is the interface of the sliders...i'm not sure if the main population embraced it....except for frisell and nels cline..... i know most people w/ the dd20 bitched and moaned that the 23 sec weren't enough, but i just wished the notes would be held in the delay when you manipulate the time....is there some new inferior chip that is used in all the newish delays (digitech dl8, boss dd7, boss dd20, etc) that doesn't allow this? it's just the one thing i F***ING HATE about the new delays...i mean, i've found fun things to do w/ the glitching, but i just wish the new delays could do what the eh 16ddl or the digitech pds8000 could do....i can dream.... yes, boss put out a SUPER DD20!!! or digitech put out a SUPER PDS 8000!!!! s--- you are correct on that Rainer, I will work on that feature more. I would just have to be pretty accurate with the taps instead of having a preset for it. any of you tech types able to tell me why a delay pedal such as the DD 20 could not have a forward/reverse capability? It has a reverse delay but no way to reverse an existing loop. Why are all loopers that have a reverse/half speed capability "phrase samplers"? Why can't a delay pedal have these features? Jeff On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > Jeff Duke schrieb: > >> I would like to have a "super" Boss DD 20 with speed control and reverse >> and although I have never tried it, some type of multiply because I like >> what some of you guys are doing with those rhythmic things you do with your >> loopers! I am guessing that that is impossible for a long delay pedal >> because I have never seen it. --e89a8f3bb0cff0fb1c04bc432c07 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ok, if the DD20 had reverse and ability to control the speed (slow-fas= t) THAT WOULD BE AWESOME!!!!
essentially to me, you're talkin= g about the electro-harmonix 16 DDL...which does the fwd/reverse/speed/pitc= h control...

i think what sort of hurts that unit, well besides being DISCONTINUED.= ..., is the interface of the sliders...i'm not sure
if the m= ain population embraced it....except for frisell and nels cline.....

=A0
i know most people w/ the dd20 bitched and moaned that t= he 23 sec weren't enough, but i just wished the notes
would = be held in the delay when you manipulate the time....is there some new infe= rior chip that is used in all the newish

delays (digitech dl8, boss dd7, boss dd20, etc) that doesn't allow= this? it's just the one thing i F***ING HATE about the new
d= elays...i mean, i've found fun things to do w/ the glitching, but i jus= t wish the new delays could do what the eh 16ddl or the

digitech pds8000 could do....i can dream....
yes, boss put o= ut a SUPER DD20!!! or digitech put out a SUPER PDS 8000!!!!
s---<= /div>
=A0
=A0
you are correct on that Rainer, I wil= l work on that feature more. I would
just have to be pretty accurate with the taps instead of having a presetfor it.
any of you tech types able to tell me why a delay pedal su= ch as the DD 20
could not have a forward/reverse capability? It has a re= verse delay but no
way to reverse an existing loop.
Why are all loopers that have a reve= rse/half speed capability "phrase
samplers"? Why can't a d= elay pedal have these features?
Jeff

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 a= t 4:15 PM, Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com
> wrote:
> Jeff Duke schrieb:
>
>> I would like = to have a "super" Boss DD 20 with speed control and reverse
&g= t;> and although I have never tried it, some type of multiply because I = like
>> what some of you guys are doing with those rhythmic things you do = with your
>> loopers! I am guessing that that is impossible for a = long delay pedal
>> because I have never seen it.
--e89a8f3bb0cff0fb1c04bc432c07-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 01:27:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9A2918345E; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 01:27:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=m1vWCXlSo08aHDC/4DDQ2pZqqp/XAkHnfEIdJq4SMwE=; b=NBltQb/q+i/ONgb2L7xruhVm4SH6md9Qn3mddUcajbOSYLoLFXcilY5eCkesIBUUT+ g2uG01HUk5ZQaTX1HltJan4HJ3oglAlqZgTaFdAiFQ5jwfkK0MV1Mwhhjvnsx42MPciX 0LtMEZ0JMPHX+8cP2PoHLfG49I1AlkIbXMR8hDRAz0yJEf8uhcaC1ma7CPkgIrEoO6Ii qgoBgfgfqr1eL+H204ySR79zQJJFdRusSwA9WbgWMzTEhwW/d940Fn4WEb7YOLcS3IoR VmTFoRT9/I8rIzzge1nIejZQ/NB0+EoVUlL6DZnrMlCdCXvGdGAL55PkhcRo+1/3mSz5 39zw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:27:43 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: ....features manufacturers leave out (SUPER BOSS DD20) From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f642daa9d4bea04bc438349 Resent-Message-ID: <3KHpZD.A.0pD.QkmcPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 01:27:44 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f642daa9d4bea04bc438349 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well the 16 second delay didn't have tap tempo (tap delay length) though which for me is essential to use it the way I do. Great for what it did, wish I still had one! I don't know but I'll bet they made the mostly noiseless action of turning the delay time knob on the DD20 like that on purpose so real musicians wouldn't have to deal with all the weirdness while tweaking :) If a super DD20 and a super PDS 8000 had a baby....:) I am getting another DD20 soon..Rainer got me thinking...:) Jeff On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Scott Hansen wrote: > ok, if the DD20 had reverse and ability to control the speed (slow-fast) > THAT WOULD BE AWESOME!!!! > essentially to me, you're talking about the electro-harmonix 16 > DDL...which does the fwd/reverse/speed/pitch control... > i think what sort of hurts that unit, well besides being DISCONTINUED...., > is the interface of the sliders...i'm not sure > if the main population embraced it....except for frisell and nels > cline..... > > i know most people w/ the dd20 bitched and moaned that the 23 sec weren't > enough, but i just wished the notes > would be held in the delay when you manipulate the time....is there some > new inferior chip that is used in all the newish > delays (digitech dl8, boss dd7, boss dd20, etc) that doesn't allow this? > it's just the one thing i F***ING HATE about the new > delays...i mean, i've found fun things to do w/ the glitching, but i just > wish the new delays could do what the eh 16ddl or the > digitech pds8000 could do....i can dream.... > yes, boss put out a SUPER DD20!!! or digitech put out a SUPER PDS 8000!!!! > s--- > > > you are correct on that Rainer, I will work on that feature more. I would > just have to be pretty accurate with the taps instead of having a preset > for it. > > any of you tech types able to tell me why a delay pedal such as the DD 20 > could not have a forward/reverse capability? It has a reverse delay but no > way to reverse an existing loop. > > Why are all loopers that have a reverse/half speed capability "phrase > samplers"? Why can't a delay pedal have these features? > > Jeff > > > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Rainer Straschill < > moinsound@googlemail.com > > wrote: > > > Jeff Duke schrieb: > > > >> I would like to have a "super" Boss DD 20 with speed control and reverse > >> and although I have never tried it, some type of multiply because I like > >> what some of you guys are doing with those rhythmic things you do with > your > >> loopers! I am guessing that that is impossible for a long delay pedal > >> because I have never seen it. > --e89a8f642daa9d4bea04bc438349 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well the 16 second delay didn't have tap tempo (tap delay length) thoug= h which for me is essential to use it the way I do. Great for what it did, = wish I still had one!

I don't know but I'll bet they made th= e mostly noiseless action of turning the delay time knob on the DD20 like t= hat on purpose so real musicians wouldn't have to deal with all the wei= rdness while tweaking :)

If a super DD20 and a super PDS 8000 had a baby....:)

I am getti= ng another DD20 soon..Rainer got me thinking...:)

Jeff

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:

ok, if the DD20 had reverse and ability= to control the speed (slow-fast) THAT WOULD BE AWESOME!!!!
essen= tially to me, you're talking about the electro-harmonix 16 DDL...which = does the fwd/reverse/speed/pitch control...

i think what sort of hurts that unit, well besides being DISCONTINUED.= ..., is the interface of the sliders...i'm not sure
if the m= ain population embraced it....except for frisell and nels cline.....

=A0
i know most people w/ the dd20 bitched and moaned that t= he 23 sec weren't enough, but i just wished the notes
would = be held in the delay when you manipulate the time....is there some new infe= rior chip that is used in all the newish

delays (digitech dl8, boss dd7, boss dd20, etc) that doesn't allow= this? it's just the one thing i F***ING HATE about the new
d= elays...i mean, i've found fun things to do w/ the glitching, but i jus= t wish the new delays could do what the eh 16ddl or the

digitech pds8000 could do....i can dream....
yes, boss put o= ut a SUPER DD20!!! or digitech put out a SUPER PDS 8000!!!!
s---<= /div>
=A0
=A0
you are correct on that Rainer, I wil= l work on that feature more. I would
just have to be pretty accurate with the taps instead of having a presetfor it.
any of you tech types able to tell me why a delay pedal su= ch as the DD 20
could not have a forward/reverse capability? It has a re= verse delay but no
way to reverse an existing loop.
Why are all loopers that have a reve= rse/half speed capability "phrase
samplers"? Why can't a d= elay pedal have these features?
Jeff

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 a= t 4:15 PM, Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com
> wrote:
> Jeff Duke schrieb:
>
>> I would like = to have a "super" Boss DD 20 with speed control and reverse
&g= t;> and although I have never tried it, some type of multiply because I = like
>> what some of you guys are doing with those rhythmic things you do = with your
>> loopers! I am guessing that that is impossible for a = long delay pedal
>> because I have never seen it.

--e89a8f642daa9d4bea04bc438349-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 02:35:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AFA9183460; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 02:35:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=KARFDFIkf1lDcCBLsiQrJafYRF4/rf/hTg+RVrjUNj5PYk4KYBNRJRnh83tf/0Vn; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <10627951.1332902131183.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 19:35:30 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ....features manufacturers leave out (SUPER BOSS DD20) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48bd0a296fa8739d43a8b5d22241d8786c7ef9f80aaf77e5a4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.38 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 02:35:32 +0000 (UTC) no tap tempo but it does have a click track which you can put into phones while playing live. i still love my EH 16secDDL and my PDS 8000! along w/ Frisell and Cline-Gary Lucas(Captain Beefheart) still uses his 16sec. for his solo shows and really makes great use of it!
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Duke
Sent: Mar 27, 2012 6:27 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: ....features manufacturers leave out (SUPER BOSS DD20)

Well the 16 second delay didn't have tap tempo (tap delay length) though which for me is essential to use it the way I do. Great for what it did, wish I still had one!

I don't know but I'll bet they made the mostly noiseless action of turning the delay time knob on the DD20 like that on purpose so real musicians wouldn't have to deal with all the weirdness while tweaking :)

If a super DD20 and a super PDS 8000 had a baby....:)

I am getting another DD20 soon..Rainer got me thinking...:)

Jeff

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com> wrote:

ok, if the DD20 had reverse and ability to control the speed (slow-fast) THAT WOULD BE AWESOME!!!!
essentially to me, you're talking about the electro-harmonix 16 DDL...which does the fwd/reverse/speed/pitch control...

i think what sort of hurts that unit, well besides being DISCONTINUED...., is the interface of the sliders...i'm not sure
if the main population embraced it....except for frisell and nels cline.....

i know most people w/ the dd20 bitched and moaned that the 23 sec weren't enough, but i just wished the notes
would be held in the delay when you manipulate the time....is there some new inferior chip that is used in all the newish

delays (digitech dl8, boss dd7, boss dd20, etc) that doesn't allow this? it's just the one thing i F***ING HATE about the new
delays...i mean, i've found fun things to do w/ the glitching, but i just wish the new delays could do what the eh 16ddl or the

digitech pds8000 could do....i can dream....
yes, boss put out a SUPER DD20!!! or digitech put out a SUPER PDS 8000!!!!
s---

you are correct on that Rainer, I will work on that feature more. I would
just have to be pretty accurate with the taps instead of having a preset
for it.
any of you tech types able to tell me why a delay pedal such as the DD 20
could not have a forward/reverse capability? It has a reverse delay but no
way to reverse an existing loop.
Why are all loopers that have a reverse/half speed capability "phrase
samplers"? Why can't a delay pedal have these features?
Jeff

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com
> wrote:
> Jeff Duke schrieb:
>
>> I would like to have a "super" Boss DD 20 with speed control and reverse
>> and although I have never tried it, some type of multiply because I like
>> what some of you guys are doing with those rhythmic things you do with your
>> loopers! I am guessing that that is impossible for a long delay pedal
>> because I have never seen it.

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 05:57:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E487618345E; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 05:57:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight. com'" Subject: Pseudo OT: A Jello based looper? Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 00:57:11 -0500 Message-ID: <002a01cd0ca7$9fb54060$df1fc120$@michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01CD0C7D.B6E022C0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac0Mp5zf8B+zFrKhRiOXPKmCA8teFQ== Content-Language: en-us x-vipre-scanned: 0651BFE5002DC80651C132 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: <9BVlU.A.9mF.8gqcPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 05:57:16 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01CD0C7D.B6E022C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Came across this: http://dvice.com/archives/2012/03/noisy-jelly-tur.php Mike www.michaelplishka.com www.scribbledmusings.com www.zenstorming.com ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01CD0C7D.B6E022C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_002B_01CD0C7D.B6E022C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 08:48:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6306418345D; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 08:48:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 741359890/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.16.243/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.16.243 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAK/Pck9YbRDz/2dsb2JhbAANOLt9AQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBwkyNboMkBJs+jTg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,330,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="741359890" Message-ID: <4F72D064.5020709@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 09:48:36 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? References: <4F721FF7.6080602@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 08:48:57 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Duke wrote: > you are correct on that Rainer, I will work on that feature more. I > would just have to be pretty accurate with the taps instead of having a > preset for it. That's how I first used to do multiply, on the old Lex JamMan in delay mode. Getting the taps accurate wasn't so much of a problem as the high probability of clicks in the loop. (?not a problem in the DD20?) It also worked in a different way all of it's own. After the first tap the sound would continue in a single "cycle" with working feedback, creating a real 'loops within loops' vibe. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 10:44:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 865C0183461; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:44:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F72EBA1.5020803@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 03:44:49 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120313 Thunderbird/11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: philip CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? References: <8FD5EA9A-1725-47B9-941E-1A3E1CD22A81@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8FD5EA9A-1725-47B9-941E-1A3E1CD22A81@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090304070102000104050307" Resent-Message-ID: <2kWtVD.A.VXH.quucPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:44:58 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090304070102000104050307 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 3/27/12 6:01 AM, philip wrote: > Easy sync to MIDI clock > Easy firmware upgrades > > > Oops. Am I sounding like a disgruntled soon-to-be former LP1 user? Your LP-1 is not syncing well? Mine does. My brother's does. and the LP-1 has upgrades a lot and they are free on into the future. What other hardware looper boasts that? be specific about your beefs instead of just being publically disgruntled and lets get those frustrations to Bob Amstadt at Looperlative. Change is possible. It was designed into the machine though it may be imperfect at times. yours, Rick Walker --------------090304070102000104050307 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 3/27/12 6:01 AM, philip wrote:
Easy sync to MIDI clock
Easy firmware upgrades

Oops. Am I sounding like a disgruntled soon-to-be former LP1 user?

Your LP-1 is not syncing well?   Mine does.   My brother's does.

and the LP-1 has upgrades a lot and they are free on into the future.
What other hardware looper boasts that?

be specific about your beefs instead of just being publically disgruntled
and lets get those frustrations to Bob Amstadt
at Looperlative.    Change is possible.   It was designed into the machine
though it may be imperfect at times.

yours,   Rick Walker

--------------090304070102000104050307-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 13:48:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A52618345D; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 13:48:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=dgg70nTnAfhBHJnTC9h8xxnl7exN1K9kwmFKa/9wCGQ=; b=yssaaeDTymFsxqyHW5cQ0FA8ui+DZCIWKYRCY7n+DoIDIBVz8dD8qZZ8V79ASXtEyB CWVV7JlbiHk2COjue4Nm0EX30hOhwjpLUY1oQAJRZLheksGyfhcsozU47hap+ZIMEFOE oVz8Kx3gDqVh00MGHpMJMsHBwsJRBB8Vw4Zkw49u6K0PmleKhRsQ02XWbUxY9CXSvgxb qkFtfAt8Al2byTSgvT9wuLAXC4FrEkmzSNDbS7AWbSYA3Q1Bino4C0/SFNgiTyT8fEC5 KbKIwxPPoNWThQ52FReyr3PjBS1EDSiTX+0P2L2i6ve4tEzuVWQNy1ZduoGIB6uRmJd3 +jtQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F72EBA1.5020803@cruzio.com> References: <8FD5EA9A-1725-47B9-941E-1A3E1CD22A81@gmail.com> <4F72EBA1.5020803@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 09:48:24 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? From: Thomas Wegmann To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 13:48:25 +0000 (UTC) I love my LP1 but have trouble updating and am stuck on v1.08. I plan to attempt to update it again in the future but when I tried it always failed so I gave up. I have the LP2 coming and look forward to using that. I only devoted a few attempts last winter and really need to look over the instructions again, seemed my router may have been the issue so I tried downloading to the 2005 macbook but also failed that route.... argh.... Funny thing is I work on a PACS system at a hospital and when home I really only want to play my guitar and cuatro. I will not let it defeat me though and will get it done, I may have been trying to jump ahead and may need to do incremental updates, I need to spend more time with it..... Bob seems like a great guy and I hope he has much success with his ventures! Weg On 3/28/12, Rick Walker wrote: > On 3/27/12 6:01 AM, philip wrote: >> Easy sync to MIDI clock >> Easy firmware upgrades >> >> >> Oops. Am I sounding like a disgruntled soon-to-be former LP1 user? > Your LP-1 is not syncing well? Mine does. My brother's does. > > and the LP-1 has upgrades a lot and they are free on into the future. > What other hardware looper boasts that? > > be specific about your beefs instead of just being publically disgruntled > and lets get those frustrations to Bob Amstadt > at Looperlative. Change is possible. It was designed into the machine > though it may be imperfect at times. > > > yours, Rick Walker > > > -- Greg Wegmann TheWeg@Frontier.com TheWeg@GMail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 14:16:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FC7E183462; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 14:16:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_c2948b79-925d-4079-9a39-5e859f4824fa_" X-Originating-IP: [75.106.117.247] From: joy_top top To: Subject: Subject: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 07:16:33 -0700 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Mar 2012 14:16:34.0308 (UTC) FILETIME=[6150CC40:01CD0CED] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 14:16:35 +0000 (UTC) --_c2948b79-925d-4079-9a39-5e859f4824fa_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm going to have to try the RC-50 in reverse with the feedback connected n= ow. I honestly never used reverse but the feedback patch works well. = --_c2948b79-925d-4079-9a39-5e859f4824fa_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'=3Bm going to have to try t= he RC-50 in reverse with the feedback connected now. I honestly never used = reverse but the feedback patch works well.

= --_c2948b79-925d-4079-9a39-5e859f4824fa_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 16:11:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E657183460; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:11:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yxTfQLse7dSYG7MqkSFzliJdMeSiqXdziMHyBmVL66Y=; b=aCtHditWOgkSYw1zOOC/SuL3nkOX6ZkmhcWkzML9mAOgrF7FxEOGpyAu5nl8UhKTTD Db6FkZI4qaIaCHt0GW1kZap16lWjktyPOyqMKT4rCBrdIa7NPy6Hm4j6+wE3aIrhy/Em 3tAHNpS6cGpSJSQxPoDAae78uE2VKT6xJ0mvm/Xrvy4VwIU0UJnadgUMqXDvPp6WXRxz NBMDba1OXpDYhSF9o6nPrNnbgK+SPDB1pHi4ez/EoqlB+eVps+Fkp6j5BCPXlsNmc2pz X7/aehKzgx9igBUcipJ5JPcmCrLMorB3GmD1unt1D8Z8GctslewVnJ3UI6oKOV/ZGTN0 UedA== Message-ID: <4F73384D.2090406@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 18:11:57 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ....features manufacturers leave out (SUPER BOSS DD20) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:11:56 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Duke schrieb: > I don't know but I'll bet they made the mostly noiseless action of > turning the delay time knob on the DD20 like that on purpose so real > musicians wouldn't have to deal with all the weirdness while tweaking :) The important word here is "mostly". If you know how, you can get weird noises that you don't get from any other delay ;). And also, with some signal in it and very short delay times, you can get it to oscillate. > If a super DD20 and a super PDS 8000 had a baby....:) There's two drawbacks I see in the DD20, and that's: a) no varispeed (but this might not be easily obtainable given the DD20's architecture) b) if you have one delay going, then start a new one, you can't go back to the first one. And that's something that a code hacker might easily do...anyone? Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 16:46:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0F69183460; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:46:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=DPrSC635D8PTFbXJ47BUVM2Ph6Eyj+GimNpaCPek/9E=; b=wKWA9bpcGUh4o1Zm3FtFRpGozix6dylrDGIDHYZ1VIkS9tTg4J323zwMbdeMAEzHdQ i6d/g4KhT8zqQH8t+bHrev2kgJpBY3zAR2rgZ6bWpVzZ0mgZUFm7fLIuhWQ3SG/XFP7O BhJDWD+gBx+0eOB8Gw1t5LGEUY9/imB7FJRh1Dk0ZMZqopS2A9JXoEPvi2Zvk+V0pKKD +4THzphy1/M0s3dYOqTLtPPcWkAqYXZAKkA+xAL+pm5fHDAduF+FrbU++CEgb7AZzUcE aMGzguCN+lFQMb/bTV59HCBI4OgDX/HjVnUKIFz4VfdurA/yCUrXmlXqKD/Wr25eVxn4 aM8Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F72D064.5020709@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4F721FF7.6080602@googlemail.com> <4F72D064.5020709@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 12:46:41 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f642daa16782104bc505a29 Resent-Message-ID: <-9HGJB.A.shC.yB0cPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:46:42 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f642daa16782104bc505a29 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Clicks are not as big of a problem with the DD20, pretty forgiving really. I made a footswitch with a very light momentary for tapping loop length and can get it down to almost a buzz :) This is one of my favorite things about the DD20, the ability to retap the length of a running loop. Also you can change the actual note value of the taps. J On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 4:48 AM, andy butler wrote: > > > Jeff Duke wrote: > >> you are correct on that Rainer, I will work on that feature more. I would >> just have to be pretty accurate with the taps instead of having a preset >> for it. >> > > That's how I first used to do multiply, on the old Lex JamMan in delay > mode. > > Getting the taps accurate wasn't so much of a problem as the high > probability > of clicks in the loop. (?not a problem in the DD20?) > > It also worked in a different way all of it's own. After the first tap > the sound would continue in a single "cycle" with working feedback, > creating a real 'loops within loops' vibe. > > > > andy > > > --e89a8f642daa16782104bc505a29 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Clicks are not as big of a problem with the DD20, pretty forgiving really. = I made a footswitch with a very light momentary for tapping loop length and= can get it down to almost a buzz :) This is one of my favorite things abou= t the DD20, the ability to retap the length of a running loop. Also you can= change the actual note value of the taps.

J

On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 4:48 AM, an= dy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

Jeff Duke wrote:

you are correct on that Rainer, I will work on that feature more. I would j= ust have to be pretty accurate with the taps instead of having a preset for= it.

That's how I first used to do multiply, on the old Lex JamMan in delay = mode.

Getting the taps accurate wasn't so much of a problem as the high proba= bility
of clicks in the loop. (?not a problem in the DD20?)

It also worked in a different way all of it's own. After the first tap<= br> the sound would continue in a single "cycle" with working feedbac= k,
creating a real 'loops within loops' vibe.

andy

--e89a8f642daa16782104bc505a29-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 16:52:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9AFC183462; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:52:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=+c7mfs2aG8/NU+DJSaxwJT6ld+5kqqW2Jw6YcP7Z68M=; b=jJbI7Pa1AyzR0gjNb7JKyqYjcDIzh90/j5DOd1o9dSYEWAHRrOO8bZR94SYpyWChzE 6Gg0COP5yBl+mp7P9UA/SBfh13wDJUESuRo99htOTcmAKYYPo1cUxCHFXQY8qXdLH9Xh CQ/Zb4nM0rZ1aG6OatK8H+feSzX8Jyg1LyY1il6klWkKRLIVPtzQxTTOtkFdNFckE446 2xmLOds8416elKnCICMzXGrT36VjfZbohQXXwr7cAEhz1qzNFDvmGzUeN4t77sYp30vj h6M29RqJHfVK4MIpQ6j5g2gVOoQjjyQkEZ9RQPSiGmQqA+935WFjVDZE+QBLW1toNQql U43w== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F73384D.2090406@googlemail.com> References: <4F73384D.2090406@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 12:52:31 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: ....features manufacturers leave out (SUPER BOSS DD20) From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0444693ff4112804bc506e94 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:52:32 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0444693ff4112804bc506e94 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Being able to go back to the first loop would be a big deal! How about a twin delay based on the 16 sec delay and dd20 with tap tempo, presets that you can switch back and forth, instant reverse and all the other 16 sec delay mangling tricks only with more memory? :) Of course ex ped or even midi control.. j On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Rainer Straschill < moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote: > Jeff Duke schrieb: > >> I don't know but I'll bet they made the mostly noiseless action of >> turning the delay time knob on the DD20 like that on purpose so real >> musicians wouldn't have to deal with all the weirdness while tweaking :) >> > The important word here is "mostly". If you know how, you can get weird > noises that you don't get from any other delay ;). And also, with some > signal in it and very short delay times, you can get it to oscillate. > >> If a super DD20 and a super PDS 8000 had a baby....:) >> > There's two drawbacks I see in the DD20, and that's: > a) no varispeed (but this might not be easily obtainable given the DD20's > architecture) > b) if you have one delay going, then start a new one, you can't go back to > the first one. And that's something that a code hacker might easily > do...anyone? > > Rainer > > -- > http://moinlabs.de > Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs > > --f46d0444693ff4112804bc506e94 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Being able to go back to the first loop would be a big deal!

How abo= ut a twin delay based on the 16 sec delay and dd20 with tap tempo, presets = that you can switch back and forth, instant reverse and all the other 16 se= c delay mangling tricks only with more memory? :) Of course ex ped or even = midi control..

j

On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 12:11 PM, R= ainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote:
Jeff Duke schrieb:

I don't know but I'll bet they made the mostly noiseless action of = turning the delay time knob on the DD20 like that on purpose so real musici= ans wouldn't have to deal with all the weirdness while tweaking :)

The important word here is "mostly". If you know how, you can get= weird noises that you don't get from any other delay ;). And also, wit= h some signal in it and very short delay times, you can get it to oscillate= .

If a super DD20 and a super PDS 8000 had a baby....:)

There's two drawbacks I see in the DD20, and that's:
a) no varispeed (but this might not be easily obtainable given the DD20'= ;s architecture)
b) if you have one delay going, then start a new one, you can't go back= to the first one. And that's something that a code hacker might easily= do...anyone?

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Rainer

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--f46d0444693ff4112804bc506e94-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 17:18:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12179183460; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:18:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 354580.98121.bm@omp1037.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1332955081; bh=IfP1uo3iX+Cr8Zw75zw77JkLaDAxe8v2llRCCPxkNhs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nUV/5bSzfMbCcHhdNgOXy0c84J7aOumc3UQ2qxvoNOfe4x9Yu2Z0lfh7r2OgeMwEqIxhPpawxOnRObi0xq1af5ra0c9SnMxiTZeR2lKAYN1VYoIvpDvcyxeOKRUh/s80EPrvrhsOQufTKXAoyT3sr+oXHqSuG3c9KmGKlVgXvWw= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LtHwaO60xdncHI4cX1fdzot4JGE//ARFp3a5NP5N8N41UmDj00yNGtwziowUJG94kOWKiyZDPhj0mIHxm8CtnyMqfHKclgNo2dNIxB3imJgUz0jQi3SQ+s1D9gFrhTZ18AivQkjhS5vT3EM5saRzk5wvjc62E0y4g5FbYzviZgk=; X-YMail-OSG: hp182nEVM1nX4eeJ5S4vTIEWR2B62DaeG2dD.HCuqDJK0cx _SEpF3YBNVILyG4B3Yram7e1uVTZwyXdT2rRo17MpFtcoq1bZKcUnjBQZQqs XjBECbtI2JpLuNpq7BtbwZS_uDMhtwi9wT7Ouag_xY0gC1C0037pHEWBUVX. TRmAQOXQwWzC9QFtSFBzAGsunB1jSDaoOWi5tVUV09XJfbgeiEncdSVHtK6Y 3LKR32Z.ZfKuWrwO5F_oycSMrtH0Dr9TmQg3VLESibdO3RCWFQU8V0EOiBxD sfYCh7kXe5QVIFcuP7JGo64.gW2BhJavZCqvuIJfgUE2ELnsNRjdeDCf5NId wWw7FHgNtHDRtuqqsYgKxvljKDf0tEVoZfDEa3m2eYvKU.In.FCSAy1IW3fM 1edjQWqaEcamFNBgYMZdSSm9JsjdoIjcbyCENqeMc0BhYfw0VfimGrdtHcaY 0K9ZvbHqtOixLLLtyAAZiYXyF62QNTfaWA6Ms0mdmBKEiY_5OTMv6cDru_WK eEwTjL59I6Bg9k8bS.D0WXrOzJBb4sTIqbYO7KK7DFDU6fAZpIsWjXZXC2qk 9grPwZAkCmRcs7nZ8 X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: <4F73384D.2090406@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <1332955081.80233.YahooMailNeo@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:18:01 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: ....features manufacturers leave out (SUPER BOSS DD20) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4F73384D.2090406@googlemail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-981468583-1185480778-1332955081=:80233" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:18:04 +0000 (UTC) ---981468583-1185480778-1332955081=:80233 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now that is a crying shame. I use 3 Ibanez DM-1100s for "looping", and the= varying tones while changing the speed are part of the charm. Rig=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Rainer Straschill =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: W= ednesday, March 28, 2012 9:11 AM=0ASubject: Re: ....features manufacturers = leave out (SUPER BOSS DD20)=0A=0AJeff Duke schrieb:=0A> I don't know but I'= ll bet they made the mostly noiseless action of turning the delay time knob= on the DD20 like that on purpose so real musicians wouldn't have to deal w= ith all the weirdness while tweaking :)=0AThe important word here is "mostl= y". If you know how, you can get weird noises that you don't get from any o= ther delay ;). And also, with some signal in it and very short delay times,= you can get it to oscillate.=0A> If a super DD20 and a super PDS 8000 had = a baby....:)=0AThere's two drawbacks I see in the DD20, and that's:=0Aa) no= varispeed (but this might not be easily obtainable given the DD20's archit= ecture)=0Ab) if you have one delay going, then start a new one, you can't g= o back to the first one. And that's something that a code hacker might easi= ly do...anyone?=0A=0A=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Rainer=0A=0A-- http://moinlabs.de=0AFo= llow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs ---981468583-1185480778-1332955081=:80233 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now that is a crying shame. I use 3 Ibanez  DM-1100s for "lo= oping", and the varying tones while changing the speed are part of the= charm.=0D
Rig

From: Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loo= pers-delight.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: ....features manufacturers leave out (SUPER BOSS= DD20)

=0AJeff Duke schrieb:
> I don't know bu= t I'll bet they made the mostly noiseless action of turning the delay time = knob on the DD20 like that on purpose so real musicians wouldn't have to de= al with all the weirdness while tweaking :)
The important word here is "= mostly". If you know how, you can get weird noises that you don't get from = any other delay ;). And also, with some signal in it and very short delay t= imes, you can get it to oscillate.
> If a super DD20 and a super PDS = 8000 had a baby....:)
There's two drawbacks I see in the DD20, and that'= s:
a) no varispeed (but this might not be easily obtainable given the DD= 20's architecture)
b) if you have one delay going, then start a new one,= you can't go back to the first one. And that's something that a code hacke= r might easily do...anyone?

Rainer
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Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinla= bs

---981468583-1185480778-1332955081=:80233-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 21:12:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 507A818345E; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 21:12:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F737ECE.9000006@soundscapes.us> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:12:46 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120313 Thunderbird/11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #781 for March 22, 2012. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 21:12:51 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/120322.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #781 March 22, 2012. WDIY Playlist: http://wdiy.org/shows/playList.jsp?id=8543 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Mark Jenkins. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Ghosts of Mars" on the Ricochet Dream label. Mark also played a live, in-studio concert. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/focus.html#mar I also played music by artists appearing soon at the Soundscapes Concert Series; Mark Jenkins, Wave World, and Broekhuis, Keller & Schonwalder. http://soundscapes.us PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Mark Jenkins Gravity Waves -- Space Dreams 2 (AMP) Mark Jenkins Live In-Studio Concert Wave World Odyssey Part III * Dimensions (Quantum/VFR) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Mark Jenkins Moonbeams Ghosts of Mars(Ricochet Dream) Mark Jenkins Something Dancing Ghosts of Mars(Ricochet Dream) In the Darkness Mark Jenkins Alien Nation Ghosts of Mars(Ricochet Dream) Mark Jenkins Phobos & Deimos Ghosts of Mars(Ricochet Dream) Dancing Mark Jenkins Mykonos Ghosts of Mars(Ricochet Dream) Mark Jenkins Ghosts of Mars Ghosts of Mars(Ricochet Dream) Mark Jenkins Reunited Ghosts of Mars(Ricochet Dream) Mark Jenkins Glitterball Ghosts of Mars(Ricochet Dream) Mark Jenkins Cyborg Shuffle Ghosts of Mars(Ricochet Dream) Mark Jenkins Swirley Song Ghosts of Mars(Ricochet Dream) Mark Jenkins I'm Haunted Ghosts of Mars(Ricochet Dream) Mark Jenkins Trance Dance Ghosts of Mars(Ricochet Dream) Broekhuis, Keller Orang & Blue * Orange (Manikin) and Schonwalder 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Mark Jenkins. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "The iPad Album" on AMP Records. Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org/listen on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 21:24:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 623DB183454; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 21:24:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F738186.2020806@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 14:24:23 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120313 Thunderbird/11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Wegmann CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 21:24:32 +0000 (UTC) On 3/28/12 6:48 AM, Thomas Wegmann wrote: > I love my LP1 but have trouble updating and am stuck on v1.08. I plan > to attempt to update it again in the future but when I tried it always > failed so I gave up. Bob can help you with this. You have to have your machine configured properly to do the upgrade. He's helped me with it in the past. The new versions of software have fixed so many bugs so you really should upgrade. Midi, specifically, has been worked on extensively if I'm not mistaken. I don't use it much so I'm not that knowledgeable about it, but my brother does constantly with a computer and hardware interface that is very sophisticated and needs constant sync abilities. good luck, let me know if you have success. rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Mar 28 22:45:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B39E183462; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 22:45:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KJKizKmXLnIQNSe47/DVdmf5fuqShdCcvExi/tR0vgE=; b=Wl9AAPY6BEB0WeGc8UV8TOuRzfEGeKkGC3smBLwREMmAh08BBs7HtLR9m4IlgCgQTN YU9qEbqcanpQhYfipLjAmMmgn11ptlYIKCCA9LvMs/Ex6ZgMJGiK+feKW23Amw55svmU dR0JYt5riorAsIiQBPb/RAw9jkPPQc83F8MyKxm7eCPuadWNYaKK2WmqitsZ5DGnVUOS 3LT6EY+S9QGts0pCMmzD92PJEjq4N18cr2VunFgUaZ9HHhhXAhgBAial5lrwobkeGi1/ jB2CbnrlpUpSYqsoodB7+T4qsW8cJVejT6rhRqS48vi1IVW4Pg9a03VvZgmFs87UYjXq O+fg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F7010A0.1050405@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4F6EFA40.9060509@tiscali.co.uk> <4F7010A0.1050405@tiscali.co.uk> From: Torben Scharling Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:45:14 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Boomerang midi sync and how to check software version To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <-mJYIC.A.SKH.aS5cPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 22:45:46 +0000 (UTC) Good news from Boomerang, seems like they're getting further a release of some limited midi sync functionality. Please comment in this thread, as I think they're checking it for feedback and interest: http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?p=3D12761396&posted=3D1#pos= t12761396 Here's the quote: "Hi folks, It's Mike from Boomerang with a short update on MIDI development for the III. The III can now sync to a playing drum machine, but we're not finished with the software yet. Improved ease of syncing and response to MIDI control commands (Start & Stop) are now being worked on, and hopefully will be ready for testing in a week or two. So the III will function as a slave, not a master. This also opens up the possibility of syncing multiple IIIs. Of course the software will be free to all." Best Regards, /Torben Scharling www.torbenscharling.com On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 8:45 AM, andy butler wrote= : > > > > Mark Hamburg wrote: >> >> I've been in lots of exchanges with Mike Nelson about how to implement R= ecord into Stack. The problem on the Boomerang is that the function buttons= distinguish between a tap and a hold >> and hence one can't just talk about "hitting stack" if you want to do so= with any degree of precision. > > > Right, because the shortpress function isn't started till release of the = switch. > > Of course, it's trivial to solve that problem. > > Just make the stack switch behave differently during Record. > > > > andy > -- De Bedste Hilsner / Best Regards Torben Scharling - Mobile:=A0+45 61 66 60 09 - e-mail:=A0ts@torbenscharling= .com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 03:11:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24179183460; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 03:11:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F73D2C3.4060600@soundscapes.us> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:10:59 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120313 Thunderbird/11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Concert Announcements Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 03:11:14 +0000 (UTC) CONCERT ANNOUNCEMENT: Sunday, April 22, the Soundscapes Concert Series returns to the Nazareth Center for the Arts with Wave World from the Netherlands. Wave World is a Dutch multimedia project attracting attention for its fascinating music and enchanting shows. During live performances, their impressive music is blended with computer-generated graphics of a virtual world, projected on a huge screen. Wave World's extraordinary music style can best be described as modern space music with dance influences. The enthralling shows carry the audience away to an alien world, that might exist in another time and another dimension. Doors open at 7:30 pm and the concert is at 8:00 pm. The concert is free. Donations are requested to support the musician and to enable the Nazareth Center for the Arts to pay operating expenses. The NCA is located at 30 Belvidere Street, Nazareth, PA 18064 just off of Route 191 on the southwest corner of Belvidere Street and South Spruce Street. Check the NCA site for parking information. The Soundscapes Concert Series is the concert companion to the Galactic Travels radio program on WDIY-FM and to Thought Radio on WMUH-FM and presents electronic music to the Lehigh Valley. This is the concert series that presented Dean DeBenedictis & Vic Hennegan (California), Bernhard Wosteinrich (Germany), Robert Rich (California), vidnaObmana (Belgium), The Ministry of Inside Things (Philadelphia), Richard Lainhart (New York), Orbital Decay (Quakertown), Mark Jenkins (UK), Mikronesia (Philadelphia), The Tangent Project (Philadelphia), Technicolor Travel Agency (Poconos), and Twyndyllyngs (Lehigh Valley) to local audiences. Here is a collection of links that may be used in promoting this concert. WAVE WORLD: http://waveworld.tv SOUNDSCAPES: http://soundscapes.us FLIER: http://soundscapes.us/flier.pdf BANNER: http://soundscapes.us/banner.jpg FUTURE: Friday, May 11: Broekhuis, Keller, and Schonwalder (Germany) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 03:55:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DA4518345B; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 03:55:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_dcc57797-d07c-44f2-a410-900a8d27b533_" X-Originating-IP: [86.165.215.87] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Boomerang midi sync and how to check software version Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 03:55:43 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , <4F6EFA40.9060509@tiscali.co.uk>, ,<4F7010A0.1050405@tiscali.co.uk>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2012 03:55:43.0930 (UTC) FILETIME=[D0C5F1A0:01CD0D5F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 03:55:46 +0000 (UTC) --_dcc57797-d07c-44f2-a410-900a8d27b533_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cool! I got this from Mike the other day regarding instant stack mode:This = has been a fairly popular request so we may take action on it soon=2C but I= can't promise anything yet. A fairly noncommittal answer but at least he a= nswers his emails..Peace=2C Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > From: torbenscharling@gmail.com > Date: Thu=2C 29 Mar 2012 00:45:14 +0200 > Subject: Re: Boomerang midi sync and how to check software version > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > Good news from Boomerang=2C seems like they're getting further a release > of some limited midi sync functionality. Please comment in this > thread=2C as I think they're checking it for feedback and interest: >=20 > http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?p=3D12761396&posted=3D1#p= ost12761396 >=20 > Here's the quote: >=20 > "Hi folks=2C > It's Mike from Boomerang with a short update on MIDI development for > the III. The III can now sync to a playing drum machine=2C but we're not > finished with the software yet. Improved ease of syncing and response > to MIDI control commands (Start & Stop) are now being worked on=2C and > hopefully will be ready for testing in a week or two. > So the III will function as a slave=2C not a master. This also opens up > the possibility of syncing multiple IIIs. Of course the software will > be free to all." >=20 > Best Regards=2C >=20 > /Torben Scharling >=20 > www.torbenscharling.com >=20 > On Mon=2C Mar 26=2C 2012 at 8:45 AM=2C andy butler wrote: > > > > > > > > Mark Hamburg wrote: > >> > >> I've been in lots of exchanges with Mike Nelson about how to implement= Record into Stack. The problem on the Boomerang is that the function butto= ns distinguish between a tap and a hold > >> and hence one can't just talk about "hitting stack" if you want to do = so with any degree of precision. > > > > > > Right=2C because the shortpress function isn't started till release of = the switch. > > > > Of course=2C it's trivial to solve that problem. > > > > Just make the stack switch behave differently during Record. > > > > > > > > andy > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > De Bedste Hilsner / Best Regards >=20 > Torben Scharling - Mobile: +45 61 66 60 09 - e-mail: ts@torbenscharling.c= om >=20 = --_dcc57797-d07c-44f2-a410-900a8d27b533_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Cool! I got this from Mike the other day regarding instant stack mode:
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>=3B From: torbenscharling@gm= ail.com
>=3B Date: Thu=2C 29 Mar 2012 00:45:14 +0200
>=3B Subject= : Re: Boomerang midi sync and how to check software version
>=3B To: L= oopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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>=3B Good news from Boom= erang=2C seems like they're getting further a release
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= --_dcc57797-d07c-44f2-a410-900a8d27b533_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 04:19:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE8FA183453; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 04:19:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=T/YNCrTZhsM+SMZzIwJycvnOL+eaEId+hq2XQ6AgFM2KbZVwZkQEzfnJZmF6xZJu; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <27196447.1332994758509.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:19:18 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Grant Reply-To: Grant To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Boomerang midi sync and how to check software version Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 X-ELNK-Trace: 4627597e215714c3ca853a8129e90869f402879cecb40bd5ddb139fa07720e670e167235be2dea2f2ceb2e4e89ae3807350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.29 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 04:19:19 +0000 (UTC)
For those who might want this capability I have found a pretty suitable workaround: use the master mode and terminate the first loop by starting another new loop to act as the first 'stacking' layer. This takes only a single tap and if you want to continue adding material after that it's usually easier to activate stacking on this second loop since things are kinda rolling along at that point. Might be worth a try vs waiting.

G

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From: Gareth Whittock
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Subject: RE: Boomerang midi sync and how to check software version

Cool! I got this from Mike the other day regarding instant stack mode:
This has been a fairly popular request so we may take action on it soon, but I can't promise anything yet.

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 10:41:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AC90183460; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:41:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=o91utZhUgNDSDQDgLguX264dZkv1LTLZYzsaelhoB3Q=; b=1AJ87GK8tEDqy5XfE4lBgqpxLiwIsRY8xJnqB+7gMSRLZMomks/LIMR14Osp/J/N6W k9SjccTS+ZKKudUevmJMY8J7hmOmcphbXPR/JsJWqNLUonqk2v9QhORcdoSC3fPTO9HU 9MLUyvb/3E31rbC5DHgwFjV4P3PqMNJej5xXR0/1hCgChBUEUZwuCfkcSCuHeRK+ed7T B+jU8SmKjse9JLl2ntMUR0+OXsklS4ijsc2h64s3rRwgU8vbFMyfjIhyOmJmIO9OI+iB A74Z6l/5FZUcitjTK/I5yR/m9R2Ajs6eekGphN1vtIgDxgsxJsLJTg0Ox6PYNsrZlT6W STBA== MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Todd Matthews Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 06:41:00 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Redid my live looping cover of Unravel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015173fe75c58a64304bc5f5da7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:41:22 +0000 (UTC) --0015173fe75c58a64304bc5f5da7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 My first looping vid I ever posted online was Bjork's Unravel back in 2008. Since then I've crammed my brain full of info about looping from this list. I redid Unravel last night with some more attention to the video side of things. It's about 3 mins long. https://vimeo.com/39400395 -- Todd Matthews toddbass.com Twitter: gtodd876 --0015173fe75c58a64304bc5f5da7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My first looping vid I ever posted online was Bjork's Unravel back in 2= 008. Since then I've crammed my brain full of info about looping from t= his list. I redid Unravel last night with some more attention to the video = side of things. It's about 3 mins long.

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--0015173fe75c58a64304bc5f5da7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 17:46:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F3A8183460; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 17:46:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=hf9gGVEUhKlQJ+rmYNkIK3sUfj/Hnv4HWe5nF3/42kY=; b=xeBpYJcDa+jNi0pCPcpnnyrK2CoxtB76UzuPelrYKgalCmsYHPm592ymqz4LUIjdmP nahVWmm6sWzrIEa4AktCe+Wf3gpRO9gWWrA+LoAJMAj4y9Bq8tFR0l5hs1ZdW+G8vAkC xjC97eNDB003SzxjTQUmOlJpP8LFbGF3yURot2EpsuSg3TEpmFtb9MNPUMwOcg5/PV55 qnbvN+tLespoY4cMAwvgaXYkoyRG27Th3MpaRKbRamn5QxOC944vmHU4A8cVpZdabR3F fsB6N/nOr9GnI9zlWtLqFW4Ef1REMtCskEu9YM9yxRys5R+qfjOoSgqtMl2nahXLrR5x FPlQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 12:46:36 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? (SUPER DD20) From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0418257037904304bc654efb Resent-Message-ID: <0Xe9r.A.52H.9_JdPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 17:46:37 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0418257037904304bc654efb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 THIS: Sigh, being an old school delay type looping guy is tough :) YES, IT IS HARD! AND THIS: plenty of speed modifying options ala Scott Hansen GOSH, DO I GET MY OLD SIGNATURE DELAY LOOPER? THAT WOULD BE FUN. honestly as i watched the bill frisell solos dvd over the last 2 days, i wonder why bill doesn't just call up EH or digitech and tell them to make a super version of either the eh16ddl (better interface, knobs instead of sliders!) or the pds8000 (make it 16 sec, put reverse on it, i think it would be good!)....you'd think they'd listen to him!!! or maybe someone on this list can call these co's and pretend to be bill and get it done!!!! again, i can dream.... s--- --f46d0418257037904304bc654efb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable THIS:
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YES, IT IS HARD!

AND THIS:
=A0plenty of speed modifying options ala Scott Hansen

GOSH, DO I GET MY OLD SIGN= ATURE DELAY LOOPER? THAT WOULD BE FUN.

honestly as i watched the bil= l frisell solos dvd over the last 2 days, i wonder why bill doesn't jus= t call up EH or digitech and tell them to make a super version of either th= e
eh16ddl (better interface, knobs instead of sliders!) or the pds8000 (make = it 16 sec, put reverse on it, i think it would be good!)....you'd think= they'd listen to him!!!
or maybe someone on this list can call thes= e co's and pretend to be bill and get it done!!!!

again, i can dream....
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--f46d0418257037904304bc654efb-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 18:07:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A36D18345E; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 18:07:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=dMdiR2g0KMGSZROiBy50lXDEOKAfH0/Rt/f5Oz2zK3w=; b=gzRyCzj6O6LVAkKBT9PUsCR9LpBVJw+HW506DB7jLIFpCzniVbB2jZhDUtV/6+pM+d QOSrBrExEA80SS78FqsyAvS1gQgFC3MHNSMHYfr2FmhdYk0ECsilLJ41w7HGBFCpD1nS T2SJ6c1iuT2o4wRY+tIF5jtuzW06pFx86bTaNabVe/E5ZVWfAYsZ4k9mO2dwbS50E3um daNhOGx8eEreGYSBFwKN/rDCdPfxvj7vQ6dAFXht10cewdUgmj0UDt2bBXs+YspINCqz 0iGErBMnX0UAxPhxM0s7nZmied3zW7VkTzUjokEWHICs1vB2Ic0nJ8qg5g+8nQaVKa25 IZ/g== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F738186.2020806@cruzio.com> References: <4F738186.2020806@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:07:00 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 18:07:01 +0000 (UTC) A source of amusement for me is that every few months, a discussion comes up on this list along the lines of "what are the features you think no looper should be without". Within a few emails, we have specs for a looper that has so many necessary "basic features" that it would cost more than $1,000, and would be very complex to operate. In the end, I think I like the idea of creating one line of devices for simpletons like myself, who mostly want a long looping time, feedback control, reverse/half speed and a simple, intuitive interface. If you gave me the ability to pitch bend the loop like a tape machine, and I'll be as happy as a pig in shit. (Perhaps even happier.) Then one could create a second line of devices for the feature hounds. That could have the multiplies, divides, midi syncs, multiple loops, undo, fraction replaces, etc for the folks who want all the bells and whistles. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 18:43:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 369CD18345E; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 18:43:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 748718691/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.182.198/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.182.198 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAPCsdE9V0rbG/2dsb2JhbAANNbwwAQEBAwE4LxERCxgJFg8JAwIBAgFFHAEch2W3G417gyQEmz6NOQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,338,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="748718691" Message-ID: <4F74AD4F.2090401@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 19:43:27 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? References: <4F738186.2020806@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 18:43:28 +0000 (UTC) Matt Davignon wrote: > A source of amusement for me is that every few months, a discussion > comes up on this list along the lines of "what are the features you > think no looper should be without". Within a few emails, we have specs > for a looper that has so many necessary "basic features" that it would > cost more than $1,000, and would be very complex to operate. :-) yes, too easy to get carried away...but not everyone missed the point. > > In the end, I think I like the idea of creating one line of devices > for simpletons like myself, who mostly want a long looping time, > feedback control, reverse/half speed and a simple, intuitive > interface. that's more like it. ...but there's also those unglamorous features like stop/start and not having to go through some complex sequence to re-record a loop. >If you gave me the ability to pitch bend the loop like a > tape machine, and I'll be as happy as a pig in shit. (Perhaps even > happier.) ;-) see, it's just too tempting to ask for the feature you know is a specialist requirement. > > Then one could create a second line of devices for the feature hounds. > That could have the multiplies, divides, midi syncs, multiple loops, > undo, fraction replaces, etc for the folks who want all the bells and > whistles. I'd put Multiply into the "essential" category(unless multiple loops are available). ...and I'm kind of thinking you would too if you'd played around with it. andy > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 19:08:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B221518345E; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 19:08:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=rAx0/lIRPx18ffvy2pkOk3f8hfbVgZnhbHZmOAxV+LA=; b=P2Bo1Bye85og9yhRpwPfJVPFYSQv24u7dsx2cL7amzlP7cxrgPyMw8rS35LqsYJ41i SyhuoOaUKKKvyGUgIEgg/gpNf8hE336sqI3N9aEZmqa2ZBhwg6mpZT1OKjH03kjpWpBC jz7Y5nqI9IFxbO45J7hpd6PyvH0hS++2OjOwVRgtvBXUeJyrHh2syO9/c2T8HxYgl5yT pN8723sGKhZl1w3HUbW3naETW7x9zc4bGBf1SKGKbpXk/6ueVHgcZ0gsIkvn5BzaiKxU QIIl9gzcGRWQ06tgRjpXvtPfCqBneovmQ9HN/0Qn5UY7bUuYJDg5uSkSHdl+9TCImeTy Dkdg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 15:08:32 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? (SUPER DD20) From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1c89a3c3f0804bc667343 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 19:08:33 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8ff1c89a3c3f0804bc667343 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I now I was going overboard but really if I could get a stereo EH 16 second delay with tap tempo I would buy it right now Probably two! If it had tap loop length I figure you could re tap while it plays etc.. And yes, make it the Scott Hanson signature model EH 16 second delay! Back to lurk mode and back to you laptop/phrase sampler guys! (ducking and covering) peace out, Jeff On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Scott Hansen wrote: > THIS: > Sigh, being an old school delay type looping guy is tough :) > > YES, IT IS HARD! > > AND THIS: > plenty of speed modifying options ala Scott Hansen > > GOSH, DO I GET MY OLD SIGNATURE DELAY LOOPER? THAT WOULD BE FUN. > > > s--- > --e89a8ff1c89a3c3f0804bc667343 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I now I was going overboard but really if I could get a stereo EH 16 second= delay with tap tempo I would buy it right now Probably two! If it had tap = loop length I figure you could re tap while it plays etc..
And yes, make= it the Scott Hanson signature model EH 16 second delay!

Back to lurk mode and back to you laptop/phrase sampler guys! (ducking = and covering)

peace out,

Jeff

On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 1:46 PM,= Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com> wrote:
THIS:
=A0Sigh, being an old school delay type looping guy is tough :)=A0=

YES, IT IS HARD!

AND THIS:
=A0plenty of speed modifying options ala Scott Hansen

GOSH, DO I GET MY OLD SIGN= ATURE DELAY LOOPER? THAT WOULD BE FUN.

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--e89a8ff1c89a3c3f0804bc667343-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 19:23:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC50118345C; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 19:23:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 775348.9886.bm@omp1017.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1333048986; bh=EdXXZOtGT/PU44XLrNdhGLE+FcOTQMkGzprgkow7n84=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=V8VctxQytIO9kwyoUjLLAhdKh0fjVpXTISNT94d58lBq7zjSS2iwjgdmTq8qHRepZbZNQngYpCfCtYntVuhdy+7Z85IiXXFg17af39UfLFYoRyiJDScDkcKYQz4yglWZX51SNMs94E/TCYbJZBEMmA154ZXwge1t5mQw/N6aM5E= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lnHVoqXn1YW+Xqai9PGeCqtx/E5rLAGhIO0XuntEOmaAQ4AJMnaeHDg2IdK9K8UCFV00FYLwtvNnGJ7vSwWYgkm7xTPbVlsoMzCOVWZGDgfhjGSqh3xINrxS+zq+87ZHUPvDN7oFjqVgcsLQ4qm7WUtg+Wn5am7dEJr7U+e029A=; X-YMail-OSG: h_7IT.MVM1l9H2pq3PU0OMiH.mPaDP62lzwap34sMq3frq. 9JblEeUz205hkPWQJCuPj8CuAud7QEOfiMsMM6w1rDdkbK0ytCsTvJMdBEhL Ga2bVgBredp29.ttRSiynk5kc8XiQYere7edB2mVr0Sd93WJt8KVigmmRZq_ 9MHohOilD_eZY0HnRCS4yK6iPINaiXV8LWawe58kxyeOjMQsDLLdj77JC9Ot UzfMOCzw4OLaw0LBnQNORbLAyK7Nn6kiWC1nsAfscwjDpp4Spe4FEbSYHs9Z jQqW4PAV8UGtYmnqNyuXPfSiKSJG9kGr8yM53cat1wg3FBdgMxAbUfby7HI. _72pqGBVnoo51_zDVpRTA6hbxNKkXCjVqKhaMTBWx5rHS3TMD9RvytddI7Mr XkRE.xYInDqBRTTLKf1aJX9fa9n9K4Silsr_YZObZCfJnnsRZenAZLAbEBPV 4kbvL6HffScfXKZ7obfQOOdfEz519OLWbBzukQAg- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: Message-ID: <1333048985.64215.YahooMailNeo@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 12:23:05 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? (SUPER DD20) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-495408613-307817334-1333048985=:64215" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 19:23:07 +0000 (UTC) ---495408613-307817334-1333048985=:64215 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Most fun in the olden days? Roland RE-201. Record a loop on 1/2 track 1/4" = tape. feed it into Roland and make splice. A LOOP!!! Turn the tape upside d= own,,, REVERSE LLOP!!! record 1 track forward, other track in reverse. Put = in Roland, splice. MAYHEM!!!! .Plus vari-speed, self generating feedback, e= tc. All it needed was a switch to disable the erase/record heads. When done= with loop,,, hang on peg in wall for later use. Weird how with much time a= nd little money, the things we came up with when we were boys. Rig=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Jeff Duke =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Thursday, Marc= h 29, 2012 12:08 PM=0ASubject: Re: What are the looper features that manufa= cturers are stupid to leave out? (SUPER DD20)=0A=0A=0AI now I was going ove= rboard but really if I could get a stereo EH 16 second delay with tap tempo= I would buy it right now Probably two! If it had tap loop length I figure = you could re tap while it plays etc..=0AAnd yes, make it the Scott Hanson s= ignature model EH 16 second delay!=0A=0ABack to lurk mode and back to you l= aptop/phrase sampler guys! (ducking and covering)=0A=0Apeace out,=0A=0AJeff= =0A=0A=0A=0AOn Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Scott Hansen wrote:=0A=0ATHIS:=0A>=A0Sigh, being an old school delay type looping = guy is tough :)=A0 =0A>=0A>YES, IT IS HARD!=0A>=0A>AND THIS:=0A>=A0plenty o= f speed modifying options ala Scott Hansen=0A>=0A>GOSH, DO I GET MY OLD SIG= NATURE DELAY LOOPER? THAT WOULD BE FUN.=0A>=0A>=0A>s---=0A> ---495408613-307817334-1333048985=:64215 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Most fun in the olden days? Roland RE-201. Record a loop on 1/2 track 1/4&q= uot; tape. feed it into Roland and make splice. A LOOP!!! Turn the tape ups= ide down,,, REVERSE LLOP!!! record 1 track forward, other track in reverse.= Put in Roland, splice. MAYHEM!!!! .Plus vari-speed, self generating feedba= ck, etc. All it needed was a switch to disable the erase/record heads. When= done with loop,,, hang on peg in wall for later use. Weird how with much t= ime and little money, the things we came up with when we were boys.=0D
Rig

From: Jeff Duke <jeffloops@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 12:= 08 PM
Subject: Re: Wha= t are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? (SUPE= R DD20)

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I now I was going= overboard but really if I could get a stereo EH 16 second delay with tap t= empo I would buy it right now Probably two! If it had tap loop length I fig= ure you could re tap while it plays etc..
And yes, make it the Scott Han= son signature model EH 16 second delay!
=0A
Back to lurk mode and bac= k to you laptop/phrase sampler guys! (ducking and covering)
=0A
=0Ape= ace out,
=0A
=0AJeff

On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Scott Hansen <evanpeewee@gmail.com> wro= te:
=0ATHIS:
=A0Sigh, be= ing an old school delay type looping guy is tough :)=A0

YES, IT IS = HARD!

AND THIS:
=A0plenty of=0A speed modifying options ala Scott= Hansen

GOSH, DO I GET MY OLD SIGNATURE DELAY LOOPER? THAT WOULD BE = FUN.

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<= /div> ---495408613-307817334-1333048985=:64215-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 20:41:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F45818345D; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 20:41:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F74C8E5.80801@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 16:41:09 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 20:41:13 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long Special Focus on Mark Jenkins. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "The iPad Album" on the Ricochet Dream label. The Focus page is at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#mar I will also play music of artists who will be playing at the Soundscapes Concert Series in April and May; Wave World, and Broekhuis, Keller& Schonwalder. Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Mar 29 23:00:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 124B7183463; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 23:00:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=saGsoogIplIALcD9da4oTrZs4zPpaS/5paWAoBFJ0tA4lDiM1FPCOnld/upFEAE8; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <24103381.1333062026917.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 18:00:26 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Grant Reply-To: Grant To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Boomerang midi sync and how to check software version Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 4627597e215714c3ca853a8129e90869f402879cecb40bd59094588abeb0f2d2bf2d6c148c4bcaeb1025ffbf370d31ae350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.24 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 23:00:27 +0000 (UTC) Yes, of course. I was just trying to suggest an 'equivalent' to a single-press stacking solution. What really bugs me these days is how much great music was produced before any of this technology, imperfect as it is, was available. I get a little depressed when I find I can't be all that creative with all the technology I have laying around here. In light of that I'm trying to simplify my studio and get to the point where I can get some good drum beats (sparse 'world beats' these days) going and just doodle while recording everything. I find my best usually occurs when I do no planning and just play with as few distractions as possible. Anyway, I've grown tired of setting up complex technology only to find in the end I have nothing that interesting to do with it. But oh (that magic feeling) when some simple spontaneous things come together in an unexpected way and a new song is born! G -----Original Message----- From: Gareth Whittock Sent: Mar 29, 2012 12:42 PM To: grantmepeace@mindspring.com Subject: RE: Boomerang midi sync and how to check software version Well you can get round it by pressing stack before closing the loop. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 04:30:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D83B4183464; Fri, 30 Mar 2012 04:30:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: Subject: The 80/20 rule: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 23:30:22 -0500 Message-ID: <00e201cd0e2d$d5588d80$8009a880$@michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: Ac0OKvFjM5ockP5hSruxW2ObMpeFtQ== x-vipre-scanned: 103C288B002DCD103C29D8 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 04:30:32 +0000 (UTC) To Matt's observation: Probably 20 percent of features on feature-laden devices get used 80 percent of the time. What are those 20 percent? For me it's multiply, and feedback, and multiple loop possibilities. Peace, Mike www.michaelplishka.com www.scribbledmusings.com www.zenstorming.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 08:30:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37A2118345E; Fri, 30 Mar 2012 08:30:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Y6e3kkEtguY4URISQm34mY3hPIof8xFGpmvpkyfhsAQ=; b=q/+n86/vEHeTKIBh+y5crhCSQGVz4Cui4dDFKCyRsX5qsacNqS6WtRVfiojimZklwp nHbJ4wF+U/j6Ef62LTqHuWMMPdiDnGSX3y6crBda3NoKnRYcYhZFJ7KqrIHAxVP37inm /YusrjaUSg4pbyiEPCgoAjxdqTODPJCN9D8b8Im2wzvOx01YJkG6vEGxxj58tlgpAYJz pZUYGxdxYKSC0IvBEonVAxeDQOSwd1goEe8k99zeQBRDLYR9TVCTj7+QxFVgZ1GmaSLp 6FFcTVgWkBvdUe0jMn5YEV2VgV/SxsKghtBynohfehoRSyQJvZinTqLX7DTMV5eEFwzD anqA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <00e201cd0e2d$d5588d80$8009a880$@michaelplishka.com> References: <00e201cd0e2d$d5588d80$8009a880$@michaelplishka.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 10:30:41 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The 80/20 rule: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <-Lb5jC.A.rTH.x8WdPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 08:30:42 +0000 (UTC) For me feedback makes up something like 93 of those 80 percent features that gets used less than 20 percent of the time. And I am 97 percent sure that I use Sustained Substitute for at least 90 percent of the 20 percent that gets used 80 percent of the time. However, I always have "Secondary Feedback" under total control during that extensive substituting, meaning feedback only gets applied in the substitution process rather than as a general volume decrease on each loop round. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen 20/80 loop dude On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 6:30 AM, wrote: > To Matt's observation: > Probably 20 percent of features on feature-laden devices get used 80 perc= ent > of the time. =C2=A0What are those 20 percent? > For me it's multiply, and feedback, and multiple loop possibilities. > > Peace, > > > Mike > > > > > www.michaelplishka.com > www.scribbledmusings.com > www.zenstorming.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 11:23:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8EBC183461; Fri, 30 Mar 2012 11:23:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=qslOJ1dxVexLNvO5TTMiXgfhZzO2t36yLuPIo92N+Vg=; b=UPdYFR+JGe1an1U6QT7JaKnFVmWD/MO04yFMnugog5kJVZM3LhQzq2CoD4UeoB4RCx YmEO4Cg/9xUP2VM2rh/jkhWmUnbxCbU0B8DPWyN9PFq/jqqnfLlBSMcUM/TKzRHkbkPc XnymtXUZ+g9zrNWr8h7leSQWe/UqOlFXMXihZgh1ldnQN0b7wguE2HDdfJl5rWcBxkFj QhMZoa28LWJYFT1qHDHWRHcAFewXIjKxVMxjqF4qRj7mRIomCJMr69mEApWrY3FmqYtS UdxtXNoe18nfGy8+U6efDLoq2k8N1WtGmDfQZl85xVqYCv4MbZiykfCSW6upUboTuoUj ZXgg== Subject: Re: The 80/20 rule: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? References: <00e201cd0e2d$d5588d80$8009a880$@michaelplishka.com> From: Philip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <340A1758-A0A0-49D9-AA45-987396505C1B@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 20:22:36 +0900 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: <9NqrWC.A.wr.LfZdPB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 11:23:55 +0000 (UTC) I wonder if there is maybe a more scientific way to do this and people chime= in with a list with a fixed number of features they consider indispensable.= And then tally the results If I were to list my top seven features: Sync to MIDI clock 2+ loops Stereo Multiply Divide Undo Some way to save stuff--I think this is important for remembering what you d= id for future use. Philip Sent from my phone On Mar 30, 2012, at 5:30 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > For me feedback makes up something like 93 of those 80 percent > features that gets used less than 20 percent of the time. And I am 97 > percent sure that I use Sustained Substitute for at least 90 percent > of the 20 percent that gets used 80 percent of the time. However, I > always have "Secondary Feedback" under total control during that > extensive substituting, meaning feedback only gets applied in the > substitution process rather than as a general volume decrease on each > loop round. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > 20/80 loop dude >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 6:30 AM, wrote: >> To Matt's observation: >> Probably 20 percent of features on feature-laden devices get used 80 perc= ent >> of the time. What are those 20 percent? >> For me it's multiply, and feedback, and multiple loop possibilities. >>=20 >> Peace, >>=20 >>=20 >> Mike >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> www.michaelplishka.com >> www.scribbledmusings.com >> www.zenstorming.com >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 11:26:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77625183462; Fri, 30 Mar 2012 11:26:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=3jmtOVI/OXrVlvEIFH5i4WmFsxY8Akk2HndGjJ3q04w=; b=ugYpahugdFBRTT7AHoA8J8iajyGJijO6wYKBJHXRnQwDwfyFPK8h4evKNrKaETELx3 Ji19AuzbeX3oLcp3XMx900F7zbu3rJpuG+huKQnBgdESy1PpEilTRnuMMyQfuzR410lU C9qn12RfpCDsacPOYEjZjxstFdgCOiUIzn14xZg2WN9O3Ri3UPPNw2QUvvOYEFel6RAu 61wPo+abUQwvctQFKB++4kCgHrkaP2TTaRi97Y4nUKmwJzlcOuY7gOw38jYUV7kdycS9 Q7DbbgvCwRROeqmXpn8i/6fh7RUWO4Uu7C4Vl0pETAej73psHW9JGTT8ERXiZtQcGcnR ML0g== Subject: Re: The 80/20 rule: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? References: <00e201cd0e2d$d5588d80$8009a880$@michaelplishka.com> From: Philip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 20:26:17 +0900 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 11:26:25 +0000 (UTC) Oops. I'd want feedback control more than the ability to divide loops. Sent from my phone On Mar 30, 2012, at 5:30 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > For me feedback makes up something like 93 of those 80 percent > features that gets used less than 20 percent of the time. And I am 97 > percent sure that I use Sustained Substitute for at least 90 percent > of the 20 percent that gets used 80 percent of the time. However, I > always have "Secondary Feedback" under total control during that > extensive substituting, meaning feedback only gets applied in the > substitution process rather than as a general volume decrease on each > loop round. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > 20/80 loop dude >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 6:30 AM, wrote: >> To Matt's observation: >> Probably 20 percent of features on feature-laden devices get used 80 perc= ent >> of the time. What are those 20 percent? >> For me it's multiply, and feedback, and multiple loop possibilities. >>=20 >> Peace, >>=20 >>=20 >> Mike >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> www.michaelplishka.com >> www.scribbledmusings.com >> www.zenstorming.com >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 17:28:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACC00183462; Fri, 30 Mar 2012 17:28:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=3KISugQbQH8ELRvlVTeBAFEqmItzQonc2H5iavw38fk=; b=wRNU84CosPXT9SW6nkkunN4Anlprj4tTRY6Uvtt+Zt+88+MeoY00dlT4ODu0UONG19 aL3SHG/ubJOPTg0D+MWUW4PgF/IgpgU0qkg7eZRzWJK5Xvr6Igv8agoB4/pJ6CsshflZ NRyzGa6NRSIb4FLrA7enXKKiClLTf/ITJaHzeFz5gzok5nEwb9RDjTl0dTruSWfYK33H dTJD9AiYboGBhBO1q6vzgYKKMiPVlg9PEksoubXiYWx1Ikr3a5lTRlo6DGwK4IC9LtkK jw+YAk94Ssv9TIQF/NiVGPkeRkoEKAAZQuSwyyuUUpFZUj7vA71jJO+Ln0Juv/SriUXe StCw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4F74AD4F.2090401@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4F738186.2020806@cruzio.com> <4F74AD4F.2090401@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 10:28:02 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 17:28:03 +0000 (UTC) Andy Butler was all: (in sarcastic Matt voice) >> If you gave me the ability to pitch bend the loop like a >> tape machine, and I'll be as happy as a pig in shit. (Perhaps even >> happier.) > > (then in regular voice) > ;-) > see, it's just too tempting to ask for the feature you know is > a specialist requirement. Yeah, I watched myself doing it. I wouldn't put that on a list of "bare bones features" that every looper should have, but it would be nice. Good point about the stop/start though. > I'd put Multiply into the "essential" category(unless multiple loops > are available). ...and I'm kind of thinking you would too if you'd played > around with it. To me, that's like my pitch bend request. I probably would use Multiply if I had it. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 17:42:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28E5118345E; Fri, 30 Mar 2012 17:42:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_529a2efb-50f8-4f5f-989b-1961fb294ee6_" X-Originating-IP: [86.142.114.176] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 17:42:35 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,<4F738186.2020806@cruzio.com>,,<4F74AD4F.2090401@tiscali.co.uk>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2012 17:42:37.0650 (UTC) FILETIME=[7F449320:01CD0E9C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 17:42:39 +0000 (UTC) --_529a2efb-50f8-4f5f-989b-1961fb294ee6_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Feedback! Gareth Whittock=2C sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk > Date: Fri=2C 30 Mar 2012 10:28:02 -0700 > Subject: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid t= o leave out? > From: mattdavignon@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > Andy Butler was all: >=20 > (in sarcastic Matt voice) > >> If you gave me the ability to pitch bend the loop like a > >> tape machine=2C and I'll be as happy as a pig in shit. (Perhaps even > >> happier.) > > > > >=20 > (then in regular voice) > > =3B-) > > see=2C it's just too tempting to ask for the feature you know is > > a specialist requirement. >=20 > Yeah=2C I watched myself doing it. I wouldn't put that on a list of > "bare bones features" that every looper should have=2C but it would be > nice. 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Thanks for looking. --------------------------------------- NEW DAED SITE!! - Http://DaedSound.com DAED: Circuit Bent and Unusual Sound Devices "Making Something Extraordinary from the Ordinary" Music and Downloads at the New Online Site: http://davidtalento.bandcamp.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 18:24:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 250F6183460; Fri, 30 Mar 2012 18:24:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 749333868/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.18.49/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.18.49 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAKj5dU9YbRIx/2dsb2JhbAANNrwOAQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBvzKNaIMkBJs+jTk X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,345,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="749333868" Message-ID: <4F75FA64.8020100@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 19:24:36 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? References: <4F738186.2020806@cruzio.com> <4F74AD4F.2090401@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 18:24:29 +0000 (UTC) Matt Davignon wrote: > Andy Butler was all: >> I'd put Multiply into the "essential" category(unless multiple loops >> are available). ...and I'm kind of thinking you would too if you'd played >> around with it. > > To me, that's like my pitch bend request. I probably would use > Multiply if I had it. ...and then there are some contexts where I'd rather have pitch bend than Mult. e.g. If I'm playing in a band, so the loopage becomes more of a decoration than a foundation. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 18:35:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B13D7183460; Fri, 30 Mar 2012 18:35:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: References: <00e201cd0e2d$d5588d80$8009a880$@michaelplishka.com> <340A1758-A0A0-49D9-AA45-987396505C1B@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <340A1758-A0A0-49D9-AA45-987396505C1B@gmail.com> Subject: RE: The 80/20 rule: Re: What are the looper features that manufacturers are stupid to leave out? Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 13:35:20 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01cd0ea3$de60b3f0$9b221bd0$@michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHce97G1GZXDXvKDiAC2T2f7TK3WgHeWXyGAhmA2YqWRI9isA== Content-Language: en-us x-vipre-scanned: 1354916B002DCF135492B8 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 18:35:27 +0000 (UTC) Actually, a scientific way to do it would be to assign a realistic development price to every feature out there. Each of us has $500 to spend. Then we pick up until we've spent our allotment and voila! We pick the essentials. This happens all the time in product development. People list 'essentials' but don't have any skin in the game so they go wild with it and pick 15 'essential' things. Peace, Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Mar 30 21:15:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A542E183461; Fri, 30 Mar 2012 21:15:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F76226B.8030609@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 17:15:23 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #782 for March 29, 2012. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 21:15:46 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/120329.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #782 March 29, 2012. WDIY Playlist: http://wdiy.org/shows/playList.jsp?id=8574 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Mark Jenkins. The Featured CD at Midnight was "The iPad Album" on AMP Records. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/focus.html#mar I also played music by artists appearing soon at the Soundscapes Concert Series; Wave World and Broekhuis, Keller & Schonwalder. http://soundscapes.us PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Broekhuis, Keller The Beginning Live @ Dorfkirche Repelen and Schonwalder (Manikin) Wave World Dimensions - Live Structures (VFR) Steve Roach Where Rasa Lives Back to Life (Projekt) Alio Die Layers of Faith * Deconsecrated and Pure (Projekt) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Mark Jenkins Tumbling The iPad Album (AMP) Mark Jenkins Pulsator The iPad Album (AMP) Mark Jenkins Wavedrum The iPad Album (AMP) Mark Jenkins Foreboding The iPad Album (AMP) Mark Jenkins Roadrunner The iPad Album (AMP) Mark Jenkins Moonchild The iPad Album (AMP) Mark Jenkins Filtering The iPad Album (AMP) Mark Jenkins Cyclical The iPad Album (AMP) Steve Roach Part 1 * Groove Immersion (Timeroom) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on Wave World. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Shpere" on VFR Records. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2012/focus.html#apr Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org/listen on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 31 01:12:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4561183453; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 01:12:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=rsryHZLGUvXeOqUgK8WesECcG72HTY2gHcMumfHbAiU=; b=KxCj2H0uosfZMFWqfj18QLBpGCr4TvRMhUQ9El27ofdNTkI6GI282R0W40b2uego2M dHaP1nThYvSUN4b7hh+3xLhPovLA1nglomsylhHql6ch/dXbQObiXRVqBPo8cPaPOvF+ 9CMlt50OZPoN2sOkYeTpBiYbhUvRNGORMFHZTYDobUWu827gZNXBuaJQreIOidGE5p0j 0sHTLO+NoFTylUEACkMKXBaJYidqogHnZ3eFBLYWDe06lCHWzCkpY5BjDEsIgDde0EJi 4c59VVYC+SpzWfTqedYmOaYKRTDnnuR7EwJYmvOIRmzTkMF/RoNaheBwdIO7wskLsyrM 1Nbg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 20:12:22 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: dream loopers and makers (make our DREAM SUPER DD20!!!) From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d041825703ace1b04bc7fa6ad Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 01:12:23 +0000 (UTC) --f46d041825703ace1b04bc7fa6ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 yes, matt is right below. the funny thing w/ all the loopers i've been through in the last 11 yrs, there have been a few that were "almost there" w/ the right features: -the boss rc20-it was simple to turn on/off, you could fwd/reverse it-which was a great feature...ALL IT NEEDED was a time modulation knob (for pitchshifting). -EH 16ddl-you reissue this pedal for short time, but then pull it and go w/ a more complicated and expensive pedal (2880), which is of course now discontinued. but teh 16 ddl was a good pedal-just take it, make the interface more user friendly-knobs instead of sliders...make sure it will accept a distorted signal (that was a bummer for this thing!) -i know we talk about the SUPER DD20 (which i would love), but honestly, the boss dd7-is a pedal that is almost there-instead of a million delay types in it-just make it a bit longer 8 sec?) put a reverse in it, and pitch option, ok, for the tap folks, have it be between size of single dd7 style pedal and double dd20 pedal-you can have the on/off delay switch (which for me would be great for engaging the loop option) then have the 2nd pedal be the tap to keep the tap folks happy. it seems doable to me-doesn't have to cost a fortune. -digitech-reissue the pds8000-it's impossible to me that w/ all the software things now, we can't reissue this thing w/ a bit more time (16 sec?), put reverse in, make sure it has the pitch options.....ok, maybe i'm dreaming.... yes, for me, the midi functions i could care less about. the multiply or divide functions i could care less about (heck-i still don't think i know what midi means!!!) it just seems silly that we can't create a long delay pedal w/ a few extras on it (yes, i like feedback option-it's a delay option, i like it!!!!) maybe i need to start just sending an email a week to manufacturers, begging them to do something....enough w/ the crappy phrase samplers that are just static!!! s--- matt said: A source of amusement for me is that every few months, a discussion comes up on this list along the lines of "what are the features you think no looper should be without". Within a few emails, we have specs for a looper that has so many necessary "basic features" that it would cost more than $1,000, and would be very complex to operate. In the end, I think I like the idea of creating one line of devices for simpletons like myself, who mostly want a long looping time, feedback control, reverse/half speed and a simple, intuitive interface. If you gave me the ability to pitch bend the loop like a tape machine, and I'll be as happy as a pig in shit. (Perhaps even happier.) Then one could create a second line of devices for the feature hounds. That could have the multiplies, divides, midi syncs, multiple loops, undo, fraction replaces, etc for the folks who want all the bells and whistles. -- Matt Davignon --f46d041825703ace1b04bc7fa6ad Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
yes, matt is right below. the funny thing w/ all the loopers i've = been through in the last 11 yrs, there have been a few that were
= "almost there" w/ the right features:
-the boss rc20-it= was simple to turn on/off, you could fwd/reverse it-which was a great feat= ure...ALL IT NEEDED was a time modulation knob (for pitchshifting).

-EH 16ddl-you reissue this pedal for short time, but then pull it and = go w/ a more complicated and expensive pedal (2880), which is of course now= discontinued.
but teh 16 ddl was a good pedal-just take it, make= the interface more user friendly-knobs instead of sliders...make sure it w= ill accept a distorted signal (that was a bummer for this thing!)

-i know we talk about the SUPER DD20 (which i would love), but honestl= y, the boss dd7-is a pedal that is almost there-instead of a million delay = types in it-just make it a bit longer 8 sec?) put a reverse in it, and pitc= h option, ok, for the tap folks, have it be between size of single dd7 styl= e pedal and double dd20 pedal-you can have the on/off delay switch (which f= or me would be great for engaging the loop option) then have the 2nd pedal = be the tap to keep the tap folks happy. it seems doable to me-doesn't h= ave to cost a fortune.

-digitech-reissue the pds8000-it's impossible to me that w/ all th= e software things now, we can't reissue this thing w/ a bit more time (= 16 sec?), put reverse in, make sure it has the pitch options.....ok, maybe = i'm dreaming....

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yes, for me, the midi functions i could care less about.= the multiply or divide functions i could care less about (heck-i still don= 't think i know what midi means!!!)
it just seems silly that = we can't create a long delay pedal w/ a few extras on it (yes, i like f= eedback option-it's a delay option, i like it!!!!)

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maybe i need to start just sending an email a week to ma= nufacturers, begging them to do something....enough w/ the crappy phrase sa= mplers that are just static!!!
s---

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matt said:
A source of = amusement for me is that every few months, a discussion
comes up on this= list along the lines of "what are the features you
think no looper= should be without". Within a few emails, we have specs
for a looper that has so many necessary "basic features" that it = would
cost more than $1,000, and would be very complex to operate.
In the end, I think I like the idea of creating one line of devices
for simpletons like myself, who mostly want a long looping time,
feedbac= k control, reverse/half speed and a simple, intuitive
interface. If you = gave me the ability to pitch bend the loop like a
tape machine, and I= 9;ll be as happy as a pig in shit. (Perhaps even
happier.)

Then one could create a second line of devices for the fea= ture hounds.
That could have the multiplies, divides, midi syncs, multip= le loops,
undo, fraction replaces, etc for the folks who want all the be= lls and
whistles.

--
Matt Davignon
--f46d041825703ace1b04bc7fa6ad-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Mar 31 03:26:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 554D718345E; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 03:26:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4F767972.50103@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 23:26:42 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Thought Radio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 03:26:46 +0000 (UTC) THOUGHT RADIO: http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio ======================================================================= My next stint on Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show, will be Saturday, March 31 at 6 am EDT/GMT-4. In Phase One, I will continue the special on Sequences Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. I will also play music of artists who will be playing at the Soundscapes Concert Series. I host the show every other week. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html
Your always welcome at my jams 2n= d and 4th Wednesdays a month in Des Moines IA ..if your coming through that= way ;-)

Kyle Dean Patten
P.O. Box 22 Johnston, IA=A0 50131
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--- On T= ue, 3/13/12, Risto Paalanen <risto.paalanen@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Risto = Paalanen <= risto.paalanen@gmail.com>
Subject: Gigs/jams in the northern US?
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight= .com
Date: Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 8:28 AM

Hey folks!

I realize this is all delightfully last minute, = but let's see what can still be done...

Turns out I'm coming= over to NYC on the 17th, and I'll be staying there for at least two we= eks. After that my plan is to start heading west and playing wherever I can= along the way. At the moment my main problem is an utter lack of contacts in cities along the way (NYC, Boston,= Montreal, Toronto, Detroit, Chicago, Minneapolis ... and finally Vancouver= , Seattle, Bay Area?) and so I'd be immensely grateful for any help or = contacts.

As far as venues are concerned, I'm really very flexible. I can pla= y pretty much anywhere with even a half-decent soundsystem, so anything fro= m living rooms on up will do, as long as the audience has the right mindset= . Jams and collaborations would be wonderful, too, obvs.

I've been called ambient on occasion, but the output kinda varies w= ith the audience and venue. Improv is pretty much the only constant factor,= I guess. And looping, obviously.

Yours,
R. / Taphead
http://taphead.b= andcamp.com/