From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 01:34:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA9F5183463; Tue, 1 Nov 2011 01:34:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=wi2J7rgTjtt66PGN7+JMAiX4/IqmFavmjTO+nE+rCy4= c=1 sm=0 a=BvbNeRBO2GMA:10 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=A2bGdCcTAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=MDtB52aoNX4I8Fr36QwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Zu1X71Mu6QgA:10 a=H+QV99VmfHQAMLUiyEYjHw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Almost first live looping performance References: From: chaz worm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A334) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 21:34:45 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: <0aqcjB.A.oiE.4y0rOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 01:34:48 +0000 (UTC) Here is a clip of my caveman, meat & potatoes approach to looping. I'm almos= t embarrassed of my lack of talent on this but I thing the guys recording it= did a good job.=20 I had just found this. It's from this spring.=20 Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo Earth, Worm, &, Fire and Electric Light Opry http://chazworm.com http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 02:18:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17431183464; Tue, 1 Nov 2011 02:17:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=wi2J7rgTjtt66PGN7+JMAiX4/IqmFavmjTO+nE+rCy4= c=1 sm=0 a=jCOVRUitTtwA:10 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=A2bGdCcTAAAA:8 a=rrdn4tC-AAAA:8 a=3BkOvUlN2Ntk96JqnJEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=O-gsY9kfaDEA:10 a=H+QV99VmfHQAMLUiyEYjHw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Re: Almost first live looping performance References: From: chaz worm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A334) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 22:17:57 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 02:17:59 +0000 (UTC) That was embarrassing. I'm sorry. Forgot to put the link. Too busy apologizi= ng.=20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DYf-8aUdaUi8&feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_player Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo Earth, Worm, &, Fire and Electric Light Opry http://chazworm.com http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm On Oct 31, 2011, at 9:34 PM, chaz worm wrote: > Here is a clip of my caveman, meat & potatoes approach to looping. I'm alm= ost embarrassed of my lack of talent on this but I thing the guys recording i= t did a good job.=20 > I had just found this. It's from this spring.=20 >=20 > Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo > Earth, Worm, &, Fire and > Electric Light Opry > http://chazworm.com > http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 17:46:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C11618345D; Tue, 1 Nov 2011 17:46:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EB03066.40003@soundscapes.us> Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 13:46:14 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Thought Radio Playlist for October 29, 2011. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 17:46:22 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio/playlists/2011/111029.html The Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show has alternating hosts. When I am at the helm, the show is called Thought Radio and you can expect to hear electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am EDT/GMT-4 on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. http://soundscapes.us/afterglow/index.html Show #210 October 29, 2011. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Twyndyllyngs On the Edge * Event Horizon (Fox's Den) VA [Ron Berry] The Highlander Tapes Sequnces No. 16 VA [Mark Jenkins] Supernova Sequnces No. 16 Mark Moser Midnight Reboot (none) Polaris and Subconscious Choice Collision (Ricochet Dream) Krzysztof Horn A Produce and Meadow Dusk Intangible (Hypnos) Loren Nerell Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Trinity Angels in the Music for Angels (A.D. Music) Sunlight * Christopher Lapina Before You Eclectic Eve (none) Steve Orchard Poachers Dawn Riverboat (A.D. Music) Hennie Bekker The Heart of Africa Spectrum (Abbeywood) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Glass Hammer Nothing Box Cor Cordium (Arion) Lunatic Soul Impression III Impressions (K-scope) Traces Thicker Than Water Nine Stones Close (Progrock) Jeff Green Woman With Child Jessica (none) * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDRs that come with each issue of Sequences electronic music magazine. Bill Fox ======================================================================== Host of Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EDT/GMT-4. Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music. Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Website - http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 22:11:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99F6718345B; Tue, 1 Nov 2011 22:11:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=9e5DjK5x1nEti1pdGXfBiiXe/UalHCHo4SoeNhfN5Ls=; b=fZj+hN+za0EnAiV8td2Czf8MyxQZ1njhkHikvcESjCvRH7ElYqFKz/z/bd+Z8zzpow PzNEZPMN3jaCdq9GT+rreyQI8s1E974ceZRJKMoVMC3mwnjm2TG0mSpdQESlB6SQUPZq adHsMvLM23U5bWIWNqdmBbttrRZ0TqXm74K0U= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7F17E390-1003-4BF7-8987-45C1D04CD31B@mac.com> References: <0D018079-D607-44C8-9E1E-19EE403FF891@charter.net> <7F17E390-1003-4BF7-8987-45C1D04CD31B@mac.com> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 00:11:36 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Another New Video From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93411519239d304b0b3a363 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 22:11:38 +0000 (UTC) --14dae93411519239d304b0b3a363 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lovely chaotic piece overall - loved it! -Petri- 2011/10/31 Daniel Thomas > Creative video editing, Ted! Good stuff. > > Love the music, > > D > On Oct 30, 2011, at 3:54 PM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wrote: > > > Hello again there friends and fiends alike. I've just put another littl= e > experimental little video on YouTube - music and video both by me and hot > from the proverbial oven (music just completed yesterday, and video this > afternoon). I off it up for your perusal and public ridicule: < > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dx-9oQLIaoM4&list=3DHL1320014771&feature= =3Dmh_lolz > > > > --=20 Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com --14dae93411519239d304b0b3a363 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lovely chaotic piece overall - loved it!

-Petri-

2011/10/31 Daniel Thomas <danielthomas4@mac.com>
Creative video editing, Ted! =A0Good stuff.

Love the music,

D
On Oct 30, 2011, at 3:54 PM, tEd = =AE KiLLiAn wrote:

> Hello again there friends and fiends alike. I've just put another = little experimental little video on YouTube - music and video both by me an= d hot from the proverbial oven (music just completed yesterday, and video t= his afternoon). I off it up for your perusal and public ridicule: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dx= -9oQLIaoM4&list=3DHL1320014771&feature=3Dmh_lolz>




--
Petri Lahti= nen

http:= //www.petrilahtinen.com

--14dae93411519239d304b0b3a363-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 01:31:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65CF518345E; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 01:31:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2obe8Sl2WEjOzQ5CdjOgXk44sh0kmh6YhsHupZAXosM=; b=plCkpapqLnjTdzuAgbCiTF6kQ/m+DHVuryUmlANC4TLp1LxjG+hpabEQiKFMZMTTSM gYLH3mUQNGEz2SCU52YTTWdkqciiEAxxgo2j4XTY6CvFT7sx/t3A7RVs4rx4IPrt6OaO tkz3KRps82LX4R47C2mPNe6+51KM/j7xWkHN0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <0D018079-D607-44C8-9E1E-19EE403FF891@charter.net> <7F17E390-1003-4BF7-8987-45C1D04CD31B@mac.com> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 21:31:30 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Another New Video From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 01:31:32 +0000 (UTC) Nice video, Ted. I also raided the old photo stack earlier this year to make a short film. Well, actually I raided the old photo negatives and cut them up, mangled them, spliced them together, propped them up on the old light table and filmed them with my video camera (then some editing in adobe after effects). Definitely something I'll have to explore further, perhaps throwing in some of what you did here (long fade on an overlay of the same footage at a different speed... a fine looping technique nicely ported to the video world). btw, you should get your hands on after effects, it opens up a lot of options you simply won't find in iMovie or its like. Sylvain here were my results: http://youtu.be/A9eGl1h7ZII?hd=3D1 On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > Lovely chaotic piece overall - loved it! > > -Petri- > > 2011/10/31 Daniel Thomas >> >> Creative video editing, Ted! =A0Good stuff. >> >> Love the music, >> >> D >> On Oct 30, 2011, at 3:54 PM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wrote: >> >> > Hello again there friends and fiends alike. I've just put another litt= le >> > experimental little video on YouTube - music and video both by me and = hot >> > from the proverbial oven (music just completed yesterday, and video th= is >> > afternoon). I off it up for your perusal and public ridicule: >> > >> > > > > -- > Petri Lahtinen > > http://www.petrilahtinen.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 11:57:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18CC2183454; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 11:57:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: LD CD IV, UK/euro distrib From: Billy Thompson In-Reply-To: <4EA2CA72.4000400@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 11:57:13 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <0D12F4912FB75044AD412D227F566ECF4BC09F973F@AL-ICT-EXMB.ufh-domain.local> <7DE4D4AF-BCF4-4F52-93E8-85F836C35C70@frontier.com> <4180E0FA-18AB-4C70-BB5D-E81EAD27FA9A@gmail.com> <4EA19B55.9090803@tiscali.co.uk> <3D6D3595-DB09-40EC-91B2-F40BC37287FD@thompsoundmusic.co.uk> <4EA2CA72.4000400@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Mailcore-Auth: 9862611 X-Mailcore-Domain: 27454 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 11:57:31 +0000 (UTC) The Loopers Delight CD IV is available to buy at: http://www.billythompson.co.uk/shop.html Kind regards, Billy. http://www.billythompson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 13:22:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3280418345D; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 13:22:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=hr4h1/zkXYERSJ2EStLXlJ9v/X1e5ATtVUFVM9Abuxk= c=1 sm=0 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=A2bGdCcTAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=rrdn4tC-AAAA:8 a=nux6UlWe3vBfQmwoVpcA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=O-gsY9kfaDEA:10 a=7VHfCflzyS5lv9i8f41JAA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Instrument Holders References: From: chaz worm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <2149C8D4-EFD2-4C32-9D50-F656477E13ED@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 08:43:52 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A334) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 13:22:04 +0000 (UTC) How do all those hard core pro looper guys get those cool guitar holder stan= d things. I can only swap banjo so many times in a song and im wanting to ad= d dobro and dulcimer.=20 Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo Earth, Worm, &, Fire and Electric Light Opry http://chazworm.com http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm On Oct 31, 2011, at 10:17 PM, chaz worm wrote: > That was embarrassing. I'm sorry. Forgot to put the link. Too busy apologi= zing.=20 >=20 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DYf-8aUdaUi8&feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_playe= r >=20 >=20 > Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo > Earth, Worm, &, Fire and > Electric Light Opry > http://chazworm.com > http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm >=20 >=20 > On Oct 31, 2011, at 9:34 PM, chaz worm wrote: >=20 >> Here is a clip of my caveman, meat & potatoes approach to looping. I'm al= most embarrassed of my lack of talent on this but I thing the guys recording= it did a good job.=20 >> I had just found this. It's from this spring.=20 >>=20 >> Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo >> Earth, Worm, &, Fire and >> Electric Light Opry >> http://chazworm.com >> http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm >>=20 >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 13:22:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2CC6183474; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 13:22:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=hr4h1/zkXYERSJ2EStLXlJ9v/X1e5ATtVUFVM9Abuxk= c=1 sm=0 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=A2bGdCcTAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=_HX13rGs515TKXj_dIYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Zu1X71Mu6QgA:10 a=7VHfCflzyS5lv9i8f41JAA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Instrument Holders From: chaz worm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 08:41:00 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A334) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 13:22:04 +0000 (UTC) How do all those hard core pro looper guys get those cool guitar holder stan= d things. I can only swap banjo so many times in a song and im wanting to ad= d dobro and dulcimer.=20 Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo Earth, Worm, &, Fire and Electric Light Opry http://chazworm.com http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 13:30:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAABF18345F; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 13:30:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.4.6813,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-11-02_04:2011-11-02,2011-11-02,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1111020103 Subject: Re: Instrument Holders From: Daniel Thomas In-reply-to: <2149C8D4-EFD2-4C32-9D50-F656477E13ED@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 08:30:12 -0500 Message-id: <1464BB7F-BDFE-4142-9762-D2538F445038@mac.com> References: <2149C8D4-EFD2-4C32-9D50-F656477E13ED@earthwormandfire.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 13:30:18 +0000 (UTC) Gracie builds nice instrument stands for all kinds of instruments. http://www.musicstandsalone.com/gracieguitarstands Daniel On Nov 2, 2011, at 7:43 AM, chaz worm wrote: > How do all those hard core pro looper guys get those cool guitar holder stand things. I can only swap banjo so many times in a song and im wanting to add dobro and dulcimer. > > Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo > Earth, Worm, &, Fire and > Electric Light Opry > http://chazworm.com > http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm > > > On Oct 31, 2011, at 10:17 PM, chaz worm wrote: > >> That was embarrassing. I'm sorry. Forgot to put the link. Too busy apologizing. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf-8aUdaUi8&feature=youtube_gdata_player >> >> >> Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo >> Earth, Worm, &, Fire and >> Electric Light Opry >> http://chazworm.com >> http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm >> >> >> On Oct 31, 2011, at 9:34 PM, chaz worm wrote: >> >>> Here is a clip of my caveman, meat & potatoes approach to looping. I'm almost embarrassed of my lack of talent on this but I thing the guys recording it did a good job. >>> I had just found this. It's from this spring. >>> >>> Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo >>> Earth, Worm, &, Fire and >>> Electric Light Opry >>> http://chazworm.com >>> http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm >>> >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 13:56:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFDAD18345E; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 13:56:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=wF2NzyZp/DZLdVpmZHMuKIGgbm8D6Tc014Wa8MXx9wI=; b=kGcJHGCbP9iWRO7bcL1dapOsUcr2Af08ysV9pzcWvuhFFbP65fVsBcKeyYGrZb8cI2 Wyw8NXb5z8k7RUPBfxj5tE0DaXEEvPFNXu3SVDmONdARZ3tOFiodPbs/GxDBX08KMdad bzPYEuPxgnGU6S6wCknHprj0yvGWwUKFyRn50= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <18A0AF9B8EB34E7191D06CA3FB887ECD@ccs.local> References: <4E9AD950.6090501@tiscali.co.uk> <18A0AF9B8EB34E7191D06CA3FB887ECD@ccs.local> From: Milo Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 13:56:09 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What do YOU do when creativity dries up? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0ce0f7b441ac7f04b0c0d7d8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 13:56:39 +0000 (UTC) --000e0ce0f7b441ac7f04b0c0d7d8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I go online and read a random article. Or, if this is not possible, I read a book. I like to order a couple every year and just let them sit there, waiting for situations like this. Give it a try, it really helps. On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 4:30 PM, BC wrote: > I'm sure this has been covered in the past before my time here. Perhaps > it's a good thing to take a fresh look at the phenomenon and coping > strategies from time to time. > > What do you do when the creative flow diminishes into a creative drip and > then seemingly dries up completely? You sit at your instrument to come up > with some new ideas and......nothing! > > You have a vague sense that your passion is just not there. You might even > feel "cludgy" and awkward at the instrument. Aside from letting time pass, > would anyone like to share their strategies for minimizing time spent in > the creative desert? > > Brian > --000e0ce0f7b441ac7f04b0c0d7d8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I go online and read a random article. Or, if this is not possible, I read = a book. I like to order a couple every year and just let them sit there, wa= iting for situations like this. Give it a try, it really helps.

On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 4:30 PM, BC <compguy2@comcast.net> wrote:
I'm sure this has been covered in the past before my time here. Perhaps= it's a good thing to take a fresh look at the phenomenon and coping st= rategies from time to time.

What do you do when the creative flow diminishes into a creative drip and t= hen seemingly dries up completely? You sit at your instrument to come up wi= th some new ideas and......nothing!

You have a vague sense that your passion is just not there. You might even = feel "cludgy" and awkward at the instrument. Aside from letting t= ime pass, would anyone like to share their strategies for minimizing time s= pent in the creative desert?

Brian

--000e0ce0f7b441ac7f04b0c0d7d8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 13:58:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2AF0218345B; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 13:58:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=0t6DvB6jYLi65hEHkaRYIqHMKrLxwhi0S9d/B3GVD9o=; b=Irn1MYdikDPVEsM+DMnXMVUtVxF+quOZ9KhlgQ8FzhCxtPLj/Bp+bjTqWC3SMKOg/m gJu4DS9X6J8nFZ7BrlDbIMieDAhZWIBALBVMatcKYRAXwoFQlYRIitfI6wUtnpg+4uqy nP+GV1t+Os8z9RctThzQBUWjvlcn0wzW6RLis= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: danielhlevine@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <4E9AD950.6090501@tiscali.co.uk> <18A0AF9B8EB34E7191D06CA3FB887ECD@ccs.local> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 09:58:10 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: M5VEXu62Vp4ZDcipks35_nhaU5o Message-ID: Subject: Re: What do YOU do when creativity dries up? From: daniel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f6d9eac5ced304b0c0dc43 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 13:58:12 +0000 (UTC) --001485f6d9eac5ced304b0c0dc43 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Smoke pot. Totally serious. Go deep and get ready to press record when I come out the other side. The ambient/loop pieces I get from those sessions are heavy. On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Milo wrote: > I go online and read a random article. Or, if this is not possible, I read > a book. I like to order a couple every year and just let them sit there, > waiting for situations like this. Give it a try, it really helps. > > On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 4:30 PM, BC wrote: > >> I'm sure this has been covered in the past before my time here. Perhaps >> it's a good thing to take a fresh look at the phenomenon and coping >> strategies from time to time. >> >> What do you do when the creative flow diminishes into a creative drip and >> then seemingly dries up completely? You sit at your instrument to come up >> with some new ideas and......nothing! >> >> You have a vague sense that your passion is just not there. You might >> even feel "cludgy" and awkward at the instrument. Aside from letting time >> pass, would anyone like to share their strategies for minimizing time spent >> in the creative desert? >> >> Brian >> > > --001485f6d9eac5ced304b0c0dc43 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Smoke pot. Totally serious. Go deep and get ready to press record when I co= me out the other side. The ambient/loop pieces I get from those sessions ar= e heavy.

On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:56 AM,= Milo <milo.vuc@= gmail.com> wrote:
I go online and read a random article. Or, = if this is not possible, I read a book. I like to order a couple every year= and just let them sit there, waiting for situations like this. Give it a t= ry, it really helps.

On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 4:30 PM, BC <compguy2@comcast.net> wrote:
I'm sure this has been covered in the past before my time here. Perhaps= it's a good thing to take a fresh look at the phenomenon and coping st= rategies from time to time.

What do you do when the creative flow diminishes into a creative drip and t= hen seemingly dries up completely? You sit at your instrument to come up wi= th some new ideas and......nothing!

You have a vague sense that your passion is just not there. You might even = feel "cludgy" and awkward at the instrument. Aside from letting t= ime pass, would anyone like to share their strategies for minimizing time s= pent in the creative desert?

Brian


--001485f6d9eac5ced304b0c0dc43-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 14:12:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 296BA18345B; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 14:12:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <4E9AD950.6090501@tiscali.co.uk> <18A0AF9B8EB34E7191D06CA3FB887ECD@ccs.local> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 10:11:58 -0400 Subject: Re: What do YOU do when creativity dries up? From: "p koniuto" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: peter@RedSunSoundroom.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jade.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - RedSunSoundroom.com Resent-Message-ID: <4EYwBD.A.hDG.z-UsOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 14:12:03 +0000 (UTC) I'll share an idea i gave on this list when this question came up MANY years ago--maybe 10? Anyway, take a very small amount of money ($10 US, i used to try to do it with $5 US), and go to the toy store. You can pick up strange noise makers, or even cheap little toys that are in bins at the counter that aren't even supposed to be have sound component. Walk away with a few items and start tinkering with them: shake them in can; with they work with your musical instrument? I once bought a little battery operated thing that vibrated when pressed down on something and had an interesting bumpy texture to the plastic. I started maneuvering it over the surface of a big old pasta pot in front of a microphone, looping it, trying different EQ settings, exploring various treatments of it. It really got the creativity flowing, as unexpected rhythms and timbres would appear. Idea fodder galore! Peter ______________________________ Peter Koniuto Creative Recordist - Composer Red Sun Soundroom "Birth Music I" available now: http://redsunsoundroom.com/in-the-stream peter AT RedSunSoundroom.com ______________________________ > Smoke pot. Totally serious. Go deep and get ready to press record when I > come out the other side. The ambient/loop pieces I get from those sessions > are heavy. > > On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Milo wrote: > >> I go online and read a random article. Or, if this is not possible, I >> read >> a book. I like to order a couple every year and just let them sit there, >> waiting for situations like this. Give it a try, it really helps. >> >> On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 4:30 PM, BC wrote: >> >>> I'm sure this has been covered in the past before my time here. Perhaps >>> it's a good thing to take a fresh look at the phenomenon and coping >>> strategies from time to time. >>> >>> What do you do when the creative flow diminishes into a creative drip >>> and >>> then seemingly dries up completely? You sit at your instrument to come >>> up >>> with some new ideas and......nothing! >>> >>> You have a vague sense that your passion is just not there. You might >>> even feel "cludgy" and awkward at the instrument. Aside from letting >>> time >>> pass, would anyone like to share their strategies for minimizing time >>> spent >>> in the creative desert? >>> >>> Brian >>> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 15:21:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70BEE18345A; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 15:21:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 725361.74830.bm@omp1018.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1320247305; bh=YB/f15de1yJcpJNkrq2IwLGGqE2gQUzA1aH1ZqJBpxc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Mailer; b=AcQ1lEfi2+Pz77yuFzqC7RP54fycn+v+gCG6Wu/abTAjK6XO2/tTkkDnaVzzQbcBcx1v2CfK90PW8MhbJ1Hej1ExVsu8e7z0kejXJhrtEArdWIHQrHUvR5fm7MXNJo/I4Fq2OYh15b/h0O4A13uiyXNBqJRTaYP3bWvz2RBhlxo= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: nloaY70VM1k.ZoRuieH.hceRHvJrU9zkxYcIPHfMbk1M41E AyHTY07ShTgq4n.ciH94p1O4oDLxSm4xsiJwzfq47P7BcbzITibdZwkSqHU7 P5DWHhkVPiQzID0ABtrPqaH5hBXmypTEaGZSacSbhEdXldF1.F9z76tN2CeS rx49I8QIP2H8.pWwsc0uPb8igJVNU9h.FF3MdxIOl0oRSYVs7L3CjrAdGCqV KxTs8uO9qFZEyVz.OFdObMydLLM0aOiXKTKKfyI6kpXRGqYTuzowg6.abPtx 1fgCrLtP74pg0qlf32636r_cZrZ7EsYspWOrQiWZyJmuFw2dRvp0hT0M0.60 uTEFo7Mv1_jtYUl69RzIP2eE3Z5gu6EKDd.t4ORGts0EJrwUAr1yXFgeuxHz XGTAMMo_PF4pWH95DMCYVcIZ0uG258vvJmZmerIGwfNRVv_xiISL4As107q3 vvUbNpxQM X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F Message-Id: <8194D17B-9639-4A46-99B9-D3EE7BBBCF6F@carlsonarts.com> From: Michael Carlson Music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: LD CD IV, UK/euro distrib Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 08:21:44 -0700 References: <0D12F4912FB75044AD412D227F566ECF4BC09F973F@AL-ICT-EXMB.ufh-domain.local> <7DE4D4AF-BCF4-4F52-93E8-85F836C35C70@frontier.com> <4180E0FA-18AB-4C70-BB5D-E81EAD27FA9A@gmail.com> <4EA19B55.9090803@tiscali.co.uk> <3D6D3595-DB09-40EC-91B2-F40BC37287FD@thompsoundmusic.co.uk> <4EA2CA72.4000400@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 15:21:48 +0000 (UTC) I picked one up at the Loopfest in Santa Cruz, and its awesome! Hey, but somebody stole my moniker for one of their tracks - "090909". Michael TripleOhNine (3x09) (090909) On Nov 2, 2011, at 4:57 AM, Billy Thompson wrote: > The Loopers Delight CD IV is available to buy at: > > http://www.billythompson.co.uk/shop.html > > Kind regards, > > Billy. > http://www.billythompson.co.uk > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 16:06:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4FE518345C; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 16:06:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=L1zuATngNaMM32OIvhtDvvIve7uigmDSqBi/4pW1PNA= c=1 sm=2 a=9_NOgyVLwEwA:10 a=agWTFdhlyG4A:10 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=OUXYneDTAAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=UaDdrGV8RJDLBEyiLjsA:9 a=W8NjDmUVulrcQ2jZsEUA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=053Au2P4wpAA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=lY8uQCoPFbYzpcVa_aAA:7 X-Telus-Outbound-IP: 64.180.201.44 From: richard sales Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-492860752 Subject: Re: What do YOU do when creativity dries up? Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 09:06:00 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <4E9AD950.6090501@tiscali.co.uk> <18A0AF9B8EB34E7191D06CA3FB887ECD@ccs.local> Message-Id: <7640BAC2-AE87-48F8-B004-F1EEDE8DE505@glasswing.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 16:06:03 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-492860752 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't think creativity dries up. For me, it moves around. Sometimes = it's music, sometimes it's different instruments in music, sometimes = it's writing, sometimes technologies (tractors, guitars, studio, = repairing things), sometimes gardening and farming, sometimes carpentry = and remodeling. Sometimes it's relational, sometimes it's just sitting = and enjoying or sorting through the Louvre, the hobo alley, the = detective, romance and/or war stories in my head. =20 When I was younger I tried to control it. For me, it's best if I just = follow it. When I try to control it, force it, Creativity seems to get = pissed off and shut down; move on to other doors that are more open.=20 A technical trick with creativity is the "Shitty First Draft" that works = great. Got this from Ann Lamont in her excellent book, "Bird By Bird". = With the shitty first draft you TRY to write the shittiest thing you can = write. Really put an effort into doing bad music, bad writing, bad = whatever. This takes down the guard, the sergeant at arms, the = draconian vice principle in our minds. When the sergeant looks away = because he thinks it's safe, creativity begins to flow in the midst of = the shitty writing, music etc. =20 This works for me, but what works best is following the butterfly of = Creativity where she takes me. Attachment to ideas, concepts, ideals, = goals, agendas always bog me down. When I force art, it rebels. If I = wait for the passion, it is how it's supposed to be, it's huge, = breathless fun... and the work is worth doing. It takes patience.=20 But sometimes things are quiet and I don't mind that. The danger here = is a life of puttering, because puttering is so easy and calming. But I = find that if I keep my antennae attuned to the passion it always comes, = but always when IT wants to, not when I necessarily do. Maybe this is a = particular blessing. I don't know. I don't think so. I've worked with = a lot of artists and watched this process rinse and repeat with many.=20 I think the secret is knowing yourself, which is no secret at all. =20 What are your deep motivations? For me, the passion usually comes out = of those motivations. Out of the passion comes art that's worth doing. = All humans are artists if their antennae are in good form. A lot of our = antennas are kaboshed by culture. =20 This topic is very dear and way too fascinating for me. I could go on = and on! Shut up Richard! =20 richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.goodnaturefarms.com On Nov 2, 2011, at 6:56 AM, Milo wrote: > I go online and read a random article. Or, if this is not possible, I = read a book. I like to order a couple every year and just let them sit = there, waiting for situations like this. Give it a try, it really helps. >=20 > On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 4:30 PM, BC wrote: > I'm sure this has been covered in the past before my time here. = Perhaps it's a good thing to take a fresh look at the phenomenon and = coping strategies from time to time. >=20 > What do you do when the creative flow diminishes into a creative drip = and then seemingly dries up completely? You sit at your instrument to = come up with some new ideas and......nothing! >=20 > You have a vague sense that your passion is just not there. You might = even feel "cludgy" and awkward at the instrument. Aside from letting = time pass, would anyone like to share their strategies for minimizing = time spent in the creative desert? >=20 > Brian=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-2-492860752 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I = don't think creativity dries up.  For me, it moves around. =  Sometimes it's music, sometimes it's different instruments in = music, sometimes it's writing, sometimes technologies (tractors, = guitars, studio, repairing things), sometimes gardening and farming, = sometimes carpentry and remodeling.  Sometimes it's relational, = sometimes it's just sitting and enjoying or sorting through the Louvre, = the hobo alley, the detective, romance and/or war stories in my head. =  

When I was younger I tried to control it. =  For me, it's best if I just follow it.  When I try to control = it, force it, Creativity seems to get pissed off and shut down; move on = to other doors that are more open. 

A = technical trick with creativity is the "Shitty First Draft" that works = great.  Got this from Ann Lamont in her excellent book, "Bird By = Bird".  With the shitty first draft you TRY to write the shittiest = thing you can write.  Really put an effort into doing bad music, = bad writing, bad whatever.  This takes down the guard, the sergeant = at arms, the draconian vice principle in our minds.  When the = sergeant looks away because he thinks it's safe, creativity begins to = flow in the midst of the shitty writing, music etc. =  

This works for me, but what works best = is following the butterfly of Creativity where she takes me. =  Attachment to ideas, concepts, ideals, goals, agendas always bog = me down.  When I force art, it rebels.  If I wait for the = passion, it is how it's supposed to be, it's huge, breathless fun... and = the work is worth doing.  It takes = patience. 

But sometimes things are quiet = and I don't mind that.  The danger here is a life of puttering, = because puttering is so easy and calming.  But I find that if I = keep my antennae attuned to the passion it always comes, but always when = IT wants to, not when I necessarily do.  Maybe this is a particular = blessing.  I don't know.  I don't think so.  I've worked = with a lot of artists and watched this process rinse and repeat with = many. 

I think the secret is knowing = yourself, which is no secret at all. =  

What are your deep motivations? =  For me, the passion usually comes out of those motivations. =  Out of the passion comes art that's worth doing.  All humans = are artists if their antennae are in good form.  A lot of our = antennas are kaboshed by culture.  

This = topic is very dear and way too fascinating for me.  I could go on = and on!  Shut up Richard!  

richard sales
<= font class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#908E38">www.richardsales.com
= www.goodnaturefarms.com=











On Nov 2, 2011, at 6:56 AM, Milo wrote:

I go = online and read a random article. Or, if this is not possible, I read a = book. I like to order a couple every year and just let them sit there, = waiting for situations like this. Give it a try, it really = helps.

On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 4:30 PM, BC <compguy2@comcast.net> = wrote:
I'm sure this has been covered in the past before my time here. Perhaps = it's a good thing to take a fresh look at the phenomenon and coping = strategies from time to time.

What do you do when the creative flow diminishes into a creative drip = and then seemingly dries up completely? You sit at your instrument to = come up with some new ideas and......nothing!

You have a vague sense that your passion is just not there. You might = even feel "cludgy" and awkward at the instrument. Aside from letting = time pass, would anyone like to share their strategies for minimizing = time spent in the creative desert?

Brian


= --Apple-Mail-2-492860752-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 16:31:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4D7618345C; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 16:31:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6E56196B-2364-4DE2-8E78-6B5FFB2CEA8B@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-494378485 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Halloween Scare Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 09:31:18 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 16:31:23 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-494378485 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Halloween while I was playing music in the studio, a Zombie broke in to my studio and started playing the moog lap steel. As terrified as I was I managed to capture it on film. The fact that the Zombie looks eerily like me is pure coincidence. I hope you don't find this too unsettling. Bill http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JHbzqKukyw --Apple-Mail-1-494378485 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  On Halloween while I was playing music in the  studio, a Zombie broke in to my studio and started playing the moog lap steel. As terrified as I was I managed to capture it on film. The fact that the Zombie looks eerily like me is pure coincidence.  I hope you don't find this too unsettling.
 Bill
--Apple-Mail-1-494378485-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 16:34:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A826F183460; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 16:34:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=5puTB04b0aOE2vnkhvTQ0EUFyvGVicctLtw1BhWEDf4=; b=d24/KzanB22Eg5+A20EiZlKhZQudxq4MdcIW1GqSFaibofFCUUTMO6hKj3k9xQ2PRh vdK8a+7N8IsILV08B2a4Q1pmXv3ClxHYeNTg5wgWVU26R48chQpDXT5YkHG4W9tq6RCF zvDmzIB+tOazpkbKPhCoY64tdcfabJri4TjVE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 11:34:40 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: boss loop rc30/strymon timeline/vox dynamic looper reviews in Premiere Guitar page... From: Scott Hansen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6dab3a86d56d804b0c30cc6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 16:34:41 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6dab3a86d56d804b0c30cc6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 wasn't sure if folks saw these reviews: here: http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/Issue/2011/Nov/Boss_RC_30_Loop_Station_Pedal_Review.aspx here: http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/Issue/2011/Nov/Strymon_Timeline_Pedal_Review.aspx here: http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/Issue/2011/Nov/Vox_VDL1_Dynamic_Looper_Pedal_Review.aspx enjoy... s--- --0016e6dab3a86d56d804b0c30cc6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wasn't sure if folks saw these reviews:

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--0016e6dab3a86d56d804b0c30cc6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 16:57:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0895A183452; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 16:57:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=kkmvqSqDIfC8gZjOCYYdMr+GvC6NtGxQp/ngnfCX3kQ=; b=QP0DWedOozSFEaB+89XTw+MLyxv37IsMiCsjSKpxpAJpCRgBKyMxKhmcIA0R5HpA7S 2lMwK7FvZFDxTBBdNGwBFszD/HJjD0IHEB8RPQfy18bk2ckAZINLbQav55oSkw36II8B bvhpk582F01ro/od9aqHXVGqXFM0fyYMkbGGs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6E56196B-2364-4DE2-8E78-6B5FFB2CEA8B@baymoon.com> References: <6E56196B-2364-4DE2-8E78-6B5FFB2CEA8B@baymoon.com> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 17:57:06 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Halloween Scare From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <4Oq9NB.A.G9.jZXsOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 16:57:07 +0000 (UTC) That zombie was friggin smokin. You really should get him to trade you some licks! Just don't let him bite you. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 5:31 PM, William Walker wro= te: > =C2=A0On Halloween while I was playing music in the =C2=A0studio, a Zombi= e broke in to > my studio and started playing the moog lap steel. As terrified as I was I > managed to capture it on film. The fact that the Zombie looks eerily like= me > is pure coincidence. =C2=A0I hope you don't find this too unsettling. > =C2=A0Bill > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3JHbzqKukyw From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 17:55:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC8E118345F; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 17:54:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=O0gIvPFI1cO5sJXlbitnw58RKlDJVe2bMif3GFloZIk=; b=VK78PrYiCafi3yXs4JPc975DBrMnMRomtSafZsJ67mlwUQJQR/cIBZN5TeqlLCvx1M /dJ6P2YWeKTOjfWFee46xwDf6drfGW5f51saHhLEmDyqpKnO/NUTPNczaLHE7mL3NiWF Sm/5j/eBBgYRskib8O8TagCMgYrOUCY5z5vAg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6E56196B-2364-4DE2-8E78-6B5FFB2CEA8B@baymoon.com> References: <6E56196B-2364-4DE2-8E78-6B5FFB2CEA8B@baymoon.com> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 18:54:59 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Halloween Scare From: Fabio_A To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300fad0fa4362c04b0c42b11 Resent-Message-ID: <3tAgY.A.25B.zPYsOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 17:54:59 +0000 (UTC) --20cf300fad0fa4362c04b0c42b11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Oh crazy boy ! Love your madness and musical skills as well ! A looping question: where I can buy an hat like yours ? -f www.eterogeneo.com 2011/11/2 William Walker > On Halloween while I was playing music in the studio, a Zombie broke in > to my studio and started playing the moog lap steel. As terrified as I was > I managed to capture it on film. The fact that the Zombie looks eerily like > me is pure coincidence. I hope you don't find this too unsettling. > Bill > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JHbzqKukyw > --20cf300fad0fa4362c04b0c42b11 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh crazy boy !=A0
Love your madness and musical skills as =A0well !
A looping question: where I can buy an hat like yours ?
-f



2011/11/2 William Walker <= span dir=3D"ltr"><billwalker@b= aymoon.com>
=A0On Halloween while I was playing mus= ic in the =A0studio, a Zombie broke in to my studio and started playing the= moog lap steel. As terrified as I was I managed to capture it on film. The= fact that the Zombie looks eerily like me is pure coincidence. =A0I hope y= ou don't find this too unsettling.
=A0Bill
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--20cf300fad0fa4362c04b0c42b11-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 18:19:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8585718345C; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 18:19:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A02020B.4EB189A4.0005,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=vUQgPkuIFdixsK0JqVXPakYPX3myWQVfjt2/U8ie43s= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=IDQZPWAOk3jkEbRLu4diLA==:17 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=c947KIsqFAvYT1HHvTUA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=IDQZPWAOk3jkEbRLu4diLA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: References: <6E56196B-2364-4DE2-8E78-6B5FFB2CEA8B@baymoon.com> Subject: RE: Halloween Scare Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 11:19:13 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: thread-index: AcyZiIv7bon5mFpOSJyLQFUZZtQrwQAAzCQg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 Resent-Message-ID: <8XTwpC.A.IWC.lmYsOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 18:19:17 +0000 (UTC) Is the knife a controller? Maybe by the beginning of next April? G X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DEA2F18345F; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:17:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kevinkissinger.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=+Ep6j4G16eT6NXZPmBUjvTg2AVjUSyFfj+ZeoZCL1uk=; b=OF3HRwfHIyKUQ0qwv69s0c2ncH0ok9KAWyQSs+afG9uUtTMfJ4A5+vuT81o5kJg+YaNTUr41q+lADnN1j7gnyoP7nXoEOyxsK6qkCvmdG+XXDrhkIHZWjhqZ1rUVng63; Message-ID: <20111102141721.20432hnxbspxx3y9@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 14:17:21 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Halloween Scare References: <6E56196B-2364-4DE2-8E78-6B5FFB2CEA8B@baymoon.com> In-Reply-To: <6E56196B-2364-4DE2-8E78-6B5FFB2CEA8B@baymoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.9) X-Identified-User: {3864:box516.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:smtp auth 127.0.0.1 authed with kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com} Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:17:24 +0000 (UTC) Enjoyed the music. Hope you survived the Zombie attack! -- Kevin Quoting William Walker : > On Halloween while I was playing music in the studio, a Zombie > broke in to my studio and started playing the moog lap steel. As > terrified as I was I managed to capture it on film. The fact that > the Zombie looks eerily like me is pure coincidence. I hope you > don't find this too unsettling. > Bill > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JHbzqKukyw From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 19:27:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68C3A183461; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:27:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=XzV8B0DLgwdFg5nQJHkVzOfsou0VxTRJRN+pEdKvHew=; b=lbQIcz99YlUuFRTaIPa5s30cK3HOjG3irLv1QNT8s0rIkuUcPIAj+HKgMuQbYrlrhs 183XHlYaXReultnsKD4ZIz06e7JDVrpVgjI5nOzU69nE8ijTB4M2v/98prhKdz2tJXwF xaskmWvno8ozhjRA9ah1HkIWbT8bpV3wA7db8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7640BAC2-AE87-48F8-B004-F1EEDE8DE505@glasswing.com> References: <4E9AD950.6090501@tiscali.co.uk> <18A0AF9B8EB34E7191D06CA3FB887ECD@ccs.local> <7640BAC2-AE87-48F8-B004-F1EEDE8DE505@glasswing.com> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 12:27:15 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What do YOU do when creativity dries up? From: Lindsey Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba3fcc23bf13c904b0c575df Resent-Message-ID: <0o7VsC.A.rzD.WmZsOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:27:18 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba3fcc23bf13c904b0c575df Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I love this thread. So many new perspectives and great explainations of what it is to be creative! Back to the math problem concept: Perhaps doing a simple task that you are successful at breaks the repetition of, "I can't... I can't...." or whatever is going on at that time that is dead weight. Certainly the sharper the focus, the more creativity moves, and the more work gets done. Richard reminded me of something similar to the 'shitty first draft' concept: I had a music director that got fed up with everyone being too timid about singing the wrong note or starting in on the wrong verse and basically not singing at all. He said, "Just sing loud and bad!" I thought, "well, if that's what you want, I can do that!" It was very liberating, and you end up singing better because you aren't panicked and insecure. I've been told stress is the number one damper on intuition. Perhaps creativity is sensitive to stress as well. Lindsey On Nov 2, 2011 9:06 AM, "richard sales" wrote: > I don't think creativity dries up. For me, it moves around. Sometimes > it's music, sometimes it's different instruments in music, sometimes it's > writing, sometimes technologies (tractors, guitars, studio, repairing > things), sometimes gardening and farming, sometimes carpentry and > remodeling. Sometimes it's relational, sometimes it's just sitting and > enjoying or sorting through the Louvre, the hobo alley, the detective, > romance and/or war stories in my head. > > When I was younger I tried to control it. For me, it's best if I just > follow it. When I try to control it, force it, Creativity seems to get > pissed off and shut down; move on to other doors that are more open. > > A technical trick with creativity is the "Shitty First Draft" that works > great. Got this from Ann Lamont in her excellent book, "Bird By Bird". > With the shitty first draft you TRY to write the shittiest thing you can > write. Really put an effort into doing bad music, bad writing, bad > whatever. This takes down the guard, the sergeant at arms, the draconian > vice principle in our minds. When the sergeant looks away because he > thinks it's safe, creativity begins to flow in the midst of the shitty > writing, music etc. > > This works for me, but what works best is following the butterfly of > Creativity where she takes me. Attachment to ideas, concepts, ideals, > goals, agendas always bog me down. When I force art, it rebels. If I wait > for the passion, it is how it's supposed to be, it's huge, breathless > fun... and the work is worth doing. It takes patience. > > But sometimes things are quiet and I don't mind that. The danger here is > a life of puttering, because puttering is so easy and calming. But I find > that if I keep my antennae attuned to the passion it always comes, but > always when IT wants to, not when I necessarily do. Maybe this is a > particular blessing. I don't know. I don't think so. I've worked with a > lot of artists and watched this process rinse and repeat with many. > > I think the secret is knowing yourself, which is no secret at all. > > What are your deep motivations? For me, the passion usually comes out of > those motivations. Out of the passion comes art that's worth doing. All > humans are artists if their antennae are in good form. A lot of our > antennas are kaboshed by culture. > > This topic is very dear and way too fascinating for me. I could go on and > on! Shut up Richard! > > richard sales > www.glasswing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.goodnaturefarms.com > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 2, 2011, at 6:56 AM, Milo wrote: > > I go online and read a random article. Or, if this is not possible, I read > a book. I like to order a couple every year and just let them sit there, > waiting for situations like this. Give it a try, it really helps. > > On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 4:30 PM, BC wrote: > >> I'm sure this has been covered in the past before my time here. Perhaps >> it's a good thing to take a fresh look at the phenomenon and coping >> strategies from time to time. >> >> What do you do when the creative flow diminishes into a creative drip and >> then seemingly dries up completely? You sit at your instrument to come up >> with some new ideas and......nothing! >> >> You have a vague sense that your passion is just not there. You might >> even feel "cludgy" and awkward at the instrument. Aside from letting time >> pass, would anyone like to share their strategies for minimizing time spent >> in the creative desert? >> >> Brian >> > > > --90e6ba3fcc23bf13c904b0c575df Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I love this thread.=A0 So many new perspectives and great explainations = of what it is to be creative!

Back to the math problem concept:=A0 Perhaps doing a simple task that yo= u are successful at breaks the repetition of, "I can't... I can= 9;t...." or whatever is going on at that time that is dead weight.

Certainly the sharper the focus, the more creativity moves, and the more= work gets done.

Richard reminded me of something similar to the 'shitty first draft&= #39; concept: I had a music director that got fed up with everyone being to= o timid about singing the wrong note or starting in on the wrong verse and = basically not singing at all.=A0 He said, "Just sing loud and bad!&quo= t;=A0 I thought, "well, if that's what you want, I can do that!&qu= ot;=A0 It was very liberating, and you end up singing better because you ar= en't panicked and insecure.=A0

I've been told stress is the number one damper on intuition.=A0 Perh= aps creativity is sensitive to stress as well.

Lindsey

On Nov 2, 2011 9:06 AM, "richard sales"= ; <richard@glasswing.com>= ; wrote:
I don't think creativity dries up. = =A0For me, it moves around. =A0Sometimes it's music, sometimes it's= different instruments in music, sometimes it's writing, sometimes tech= nologies (tractors, guitars, studio, repairing things), sometimes gardening= and farming, sometimes carpentry and remodeling. =A0Sometimes it's rel= ational, sometimes it's just sitting and enjoying or sorting through th= e Louvre, the hobo alley, the detective, romance and/or war stories in my h= ead. =A0

When I was younger I tried to control it. =A0For me, it'= s best if I just follow it. =A0When I try to control it, force it, Creativi= ty seems to get pissed off and shut down; move on to other doors that are m= ore open.=A0

A technical trick with creativity is the "Shitty F= irst Draft" that works great. =A0Got this from Ann Lamont in her excel= lent book, "Bird By Bird". =A0With the shitty first draft you TRY= to write the shittiest thing you can write. =A0Really put an effort into d= oing bad music, bad writing, bad whatever. =A0This takes down the guard, th= e sergeant at arms, the draconian vice principle in our minds. =A0When the = sergeant looks away because he thinks it's safe, creativity begins to f= low in the midst of the shitty writing, music etc. =A0

This works for me, but what works best is following the= butterfly of Creativity where she takes me. =A0Attachment to ideas, concep= ts, ideals, goals, agendas always bog me down. =A0When I force art, it rebe= ls. =A0If I wait for the passion, it is how it's supposed to be, it'= ;s huge, breathless fun... and the work is worth doing. =A0It takes patienc= e.=A0

But sometimes things are quiet and I don't mind tha= t. =A0The danger here is a life of puttering, because puttering is so easy = and calming. =A0But I find that if I keep my antennae attuned to the passio= n it always comes, but always when IT wants to, not when I necessarily do. = =A0Maybe this is a particular blessing. =A0I don't know. =A0I don't= think so. =A0I've worked with a lot of artists and watched this proces= s rinse and repeat with many.=A0

I think the secret is knowing yourself, which is no sec= ret at all. =A0

What are your deep motivations? = =A0For me, the passion usually comes out of those motivations. =A0Out of th= e passion comes art that's worth doing. =A0All humans are artists if th= eir antennae are in good form. =A0A lot of our antennas are kaboshed by cul= ture. =A0

This topic is very dear and way too fascinating for me.= =A0I could go on and on! =A0Shut up Richard! =A0


On Nov 2, 2011, at 6:56 AM, Milo wrote:

I go online and read a random article. Or, if this is not pos= sible, I read a book. I like to order a couple every year and just let them= sit there, waiting for situations like this. Give it a try, it really help= s.

On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 4:30 PM, BC <compguy2@comcast.net> wrote:
I'm sure this has been covered in the past before my time here. Perhaps= it's a good thing to take a fresh look at the phenomenon and coping st= rategies from time to time.

What do you do when the creative flow diminishes into a creative drip and t= hen seemingly dries up completely? You sit at your instrument to come up wi= th some new ideas and......nothing!

You have a vague sense that your passion is just not there. You might even = feel "cludgy" and awkward at the instrument. Aside from letting t= ime pass, would anyone like to share their strategies for minimizing time s= pent in the creative desert?

Brian


--90e6ba3fcc23bf13c904b0c575df-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 20:37:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3303A18345C; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 20:37:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=18uI2kEIamnQHAZTTO8kqoIrXcygFus5lrWG5MYoAek=; b=ITHcnpYaVe0Qbm7zFGhn6sUDsspuaRIl3bAG2me6inqqpo4vCPsb6oD1gw3GW1ALWc 8YxoUuu1o+4Fz2T2QJL+QJGXqvh208pJC31+6Q/DSZdF/0jwmvQDWXLGH69WCrkc8fFm /AmG2qK7rDSJkUq1fzY8CIaqewFq99QwRdvRc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20111102141721.20432hnxbspxx3y9@mail.kevinkissinger.com> References: <6E56196B-2364-4DE2-8E78-6B5FFB2CEA8B@baymoon.com> <20111102141721.20432hnxbspxx3y9@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 22:37:12 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Halloween Scare From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340785c70c8404b0c66f4f Resent-Message-ID: <98VPAB.A.K9E.5nasOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 20:37:13 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340785c70c8404b0c66f4f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Great! 2011/11/2 > Enjoyed the music. > > Hope you survived the Zombie attack! > > -- Kevin > > > Quoting William Walker : > > On Halloween while I was playing music in the studio, a Zombie broke >> in to my studio and started playing the moog lap steel. As terrified as I >> was I managed to capture it on film. The fact that the Zombie looks eerily >> like me is pure coincidence. I hope you don't find this too unsettling. >> Bill >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=3JHbzqKukyw >> > > > > -- Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com --14dae9340785c70c8404b0c66f4f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great!

2011/11/2 <<= a href=3D"mailto:kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com">kkissinger@kevinkissinger.c= om>
Enjoyed the music.

Hope you survived the Zombie attack!

-- Kevin


Quoting William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>:

=A0On Halloween while I was playing music in the =A0studio, a Zombie =A0bro= ke in to my studio and started playing the moog lap steel. As =A0terrified = as I was I managed to capture it on film. The fact that the =A0Zombie looks= eerily like me is pure coincidence. =A0I hope you don't =A0find this t= oo unsettling.
=A0Bill
= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3JHbzqKukyw






--
Petri Lahti= nen

http:= //www.petrilahtinen.com

--14dae9340785c70c8404b0c66f4f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 3 19:36:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E79A18345D; Thu, 3 Nov 2011 19:36:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EB2ED55.6040301@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2011 15:36:53 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen To Galactic travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 19:36:57 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EDT/GMT-4 on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long Special Focus on Synth.nl. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "AeroDynamics" on Groove Unlimited Records. Details are at the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#nov Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 3 20:13:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8189B18345E; Thu, 3 Nov 2011 20:13:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EB2F5F4.1040304@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2011 16:13:40 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Top 20 Report for October, 2011. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 20:13:48 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/top20-10oct.html WDIY 88.1 FM "Galactic Travels" Top 20 for October, 2011. Shows #757 to #760; 1-October-2011 to 29-October-2011 Reported in non-ranked, alphanumeric order. The Special Focus for October was Steve Roach. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#oct ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ======================================================================== A Produce and Loren Nerell - Intangible - Hypnos Alpha Wave Movement - Soniq Variants - HRR Aria Rostami - Uniform - Audiomoves Bass Communion - Cenotaph - tonefloat Conrad Schnitzler, Steve Schroyder, and Patrick Gresbek - Minced Valves - Ricochet Dream Keller and Schonwalder - Long Distances - Manikin Larry Kucharz - Unit I42 - International Audiochrome Mark Moser - I Hear Your Signals - none Mazmoneth - Music by Mirrors - DiN Polaris and Krzysztof Horn - Collision - Ricochet Dream Robert Carty - Live at the Old Church Robert Schrader - Lost Atlantis - Innova Steve Roach - Immersion Five: Circadian Rhythms - Timeroom Editions Steve Roach - Immersion Five: Shroud of Night - Timeroom Editions Steve Roach - Live at Grace Cathedral disk 1 - Timeroom Editions Steve Roach - Live at Grace Cathedral disk 2 - Timeroom Editions Steve Roach - Quiet Music - Projekt Synth.nl - Apollo - Groove The Redundant Rocker - Heart - Unsung Zero Ohms - Worlds, Afterworlds - relaxedMACHINERY Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org/listen on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 05:08:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 619AF18345E; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 05:08:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: Ed Durbrow To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6E56196B-2364-4DE2-8E78-6B5FFB2CEA8B@baymoon.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-60-626232749 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Halloween Scare Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 14:08:52 +0900 References: <6E56196B-2364-4DE2-8E78-6B5FFB2CEA8B@baymoon.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-VirusScan: Outbound; msa04b; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 14:08:52 +0900 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 05:08:57 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-60-626232749 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Following on the creativity thread, maybe the thing to do is put a knife through one's head and go 'other-worldly'. On Nov 3, 2011, at 1:31 AM, William Walker wrote: > On Halloween while I was playing music in the studio, a Zombie > broke in to my studio and started playing the moog lap steel. As > terrified as I was I managed to capture it on film. The fact that > the Zombie looks eerily like me is pure coincidence. I hope you > don't find this too unsettling. > Bill > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JHbzqKukyw Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ --Apple-Mail-60-626232749 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Following on the creativity = thread, maybe the thing to do is put a knife through one's head and go = 'other-worldly'.

On Nov 3, 2011, at 1:31 AM, William = Walker wrote:

 On Halloween while = I was playing music in the  studio, a Zombie broke in to my studio = and started playing the moog lap steel. As terrified as I was I managed = to capture it on film. The fact that the Zombie looks eerily like me is = pure coincidence.  I hope you don't find this too = unsettling.
 Bill

= --Apple-Mail-60-626232749-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 08:00:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9BD5183460; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 08:00:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XQr7lUl5NX1Tp4AG/VZglF/Uyb74Q85nBIUBCRn4BvE=; b=VO9Hvf2SIK4odGiCj5IxVAWbQQV9Lpv1Rx8SaYsqTauOpz6uJi23xAM8lPJgN7EuQx fZPfRNoZlvBg5faqhDUnbIiZCcivBovqC1YROFqBkkgoO0QzsCXl/3lEFt7MiYkRGn/C LcbW+ka+DCiyfUKlbYfYcX8SUcl8ja5MVY+u4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <6E56196B-2364-4DE2-8E78-6B5FFB2CEA8B@baymoon.com> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 09:00:23 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Halloween Scare From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <4j5VCB.A.UjB.Yu5sOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 08:00:24 +0000 (UTC) that ketchup comin out of your brain looks delicious music is great as well,had to get up and dance On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 6:08 AM, Ed Durbrow wrote= : > Following on the creativity thread, maybe the thing to do is put a knife > through one's head and go 'other-worldly'. > On Nov 3, 2011, at 1:31 AM, William Walker wrote: > > =A0On Halloween while I was playing music in the =A0studio, a Zombie brok= e in to > my studio and started playing the moog lap steel. As terrified as I was I > managed to capture it on film. The fact that the Zombie looks eerily like= me > is pure coincidence. =A0I hope you don't find this too unsettling. > =A0Bill > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3JHbzqKukyw > > Ed Durbrow > Saitama, Japan > http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ > http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ > > > --=20 www.luis-angulo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 11:05:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42AFA18345D; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 11:05:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: livelooping.bandcamp.com Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 12:05:30 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 Thread-Index: Acya4apTUQFpmsHKSWSaofSEBa2Fzg== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 11:05:37 +0000 (UTC) I talked to Rick about his idea for the "11 minute loop piece at 11:11 on 11/11/11" and proposed to put all results on a free download album on Bandcamp. I also thought it would be nice to put all LD CDs (4, so far) on Bandcamp for free download (of course the rights for each track belongs to each artist so maybe the organizers of these CDs, if they agree, should try to contact the artists to ask permission). Future LD CDs could go there as well. We could use the name "loopersdelight.bandcamp.com". Or "livelooping.bandcamp.com". Unfortunately somebody anonymous has already taken the address "livelooping.bandcamp.com" - see http://livelooping.bandcamp.com/track/take4 There is only one empty track (track3) and one track (track4) with music, both from April 2010. There is no more information and I can't see whose page this is but with all respect, it does not look like a very serious undertaking to me so far. May I ask that person not to hog that generic name "livelooping" for himself, and to move this account to a more personal name? -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 13:43:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3272D18345E; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 13:43:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=x9q11G5LN1tHxOP427AsByCxVGhXSHuMrsJhgjXOFLw=; b=oIOS6bn5W9i6rxvvch/Tq2fJUZVJjJ0O2qOBf8GvRPA0+Ji19bEV3t2EUHBeOKlMQ9 o14aG3mRwjQVQ5S5ZgDDPbFMcN145g5mgtQs7FvRmg4TcDpqKdLUarNageFXiw4rVd6G tfD9p/vSanil79M7RFS8xXDK5w29kJOzdGIas= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 09:43:52 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: livelooping.bandcamp.com From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae934078542971004b0e8e567 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 13:43:53 +0000 (UTC) --14dae934078542971004b0e8e567 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 As an observer/ my first impressions as a person judging music by the tag it goes by, which I don't actively seek to do, I recognize I inherently do: The name 'livelooping' itself is fairly noncommittal, and representative of an act that any musician who owns a 'looping device' does. It gives me the impression of being an experiment more than anything deterministic, and most likely chosen by the anonymous person because it is of a noncommittal nature. If you would consider this (the 11/11/11 'event') to be an honest attempt at reaching music in a spontaneous (or undeterministic) means; than you may want to consider a more defined title for the project. One that shows it is not just 'throwing stuff at a wall and seeing what sticks.' That is fine, and to be encouraged, but it seems the aim of this is (slightly) more serious than that. That isnt to say the title chosen can't be lighthearted, but a more defined/representative name of the group should reflect its aim in some way and reflect an intent of using looping as more than a device for filling space (which 'live looping does not'.) A suggestion: Calling it what it is; but for that, perhaps a further discussion on the aim/intent of the event would be necessary. This discussion would also most likely be beneficial to the participants as to defining a 'start point,' or a common perspective. And with that being said (or, rather- written!;) having a page that is a platform for future expansion is ideal in any situation. Suggestions off the top of my head: Loopers collective, Looping Musicians Cooperative, Research contingent of the greater musicians' body for the exploration and greater implementation of looping as a compositional device and performance aid (theres a joke there, somewhere,) Loopers Amalgamated(or 'collaborative', or 'united') Then, a specific 'album' title of the event? Cheers! --14dae934078542971004b0e8e567 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As an observer/ my first impressions=A0as a person judging music by the tag= it goes by, which I don't actively seek to do, I recognize I inherentl= y do:

=A0The name 'livelooping' itself is fairly= noncommittal, and representative of an act that any musician who owns a &#= 39;looping device' does. It gives me the impression =A0of being an expe= riment more than anything deterministic, and most likely chosen by the anon= ymous person because it is of a noncommittal nature.

If you would consider this (the 11/11/11 'event'= ;) to be an honest attempt at reaching music in a spontaneous (or undetermi= nistic) means; than you may want to consider a more defined title for the p= roject. One that shows it is not just 'throwing stuff at a wall and see= ing what sticks.' That is fine, and to be encouraged, but it seems the = aim of this is (slightly) more serious than that. That isnt to say the titl= e chosen can't be lighthearted, but a more defined/representative name = of the group should reflect its aim in some way and reflect an intent of us= ing looping as more than a device for filling space (which 'live loopin= g does not'.)

A suggestion:=A0

Calling it wh= at it is; but for that, perhaps a further discussion on the aim/intent of t= he event would be necessary. This discussion would also most likely be bene= ficial to the participants as to defining a 'start point,' or a com= mon perspective.

And with that being said (or, rather- written!;) having= a page that is a platform for future expansion is ideal in any situation.= =A0

Suggestions off the top of my head: Loopers co= llective, Looping Musicians Cooperative, Research contingent of the greater= musicians' body for the exploration and greater implementation of loop= ing as a compositional device and performance aid (theres a joke there, som= ewhere,) Loopers Amalgamated(or 'collaborative', or 'united'= ;)

Then, a specific 'album' title of the event?=A0=

Cheers!

=A0


--14dae934078542971004b0e8e567-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 14:21:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC067183461; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 14:21:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=NJTvfGiKGNDb4ulJ12ldYC51Z2KiTHP49jm7AW2kgP4=; b=ID9D2viGRMI6lvYWYLUGhURzZ1SUKX9RZyvH4mxTXDvQNEoINUQi2jFhyuznnZnIb6 XIM/JD6ml6dp9edXjBbbW505lL7xXHcSFiwl/ppmm1V9sdjY3r4iM2WuTcSjWjPcxKyX oibFaSFZ9lPpv2kxL9R8v8W9ng2dCVB970vZU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 10:21:20 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: The nature of ambient music From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93411514accb704b0e96bcc Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 14:21:21 +0000 (UTC) --14dae93411514accb704b0e96bcc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have a question for considering, because I have had it on my mind for a while and it appears to possibly be of some use for many of you as well (functional questioning!) What do you call 'ambient' music when it crosses over into the active listening domain? Some of my work has been right 'on the edge of ambient and something more-ness.' I often see the term 'ambient' haphazardly thrown ontop of anything that doesnt fit into the other 'categories,' and it seems to me that this is an abuse of the term. After all, from what I understand, there was an 'intent' behind ambient music whereas most of what we see that's called 'ambient' now, is labeled so as an afterthought or even a reflex. As I understand: Ambient music was/is a passive experience. As it becomes 'busier,' we actively listen- because we have no choice. How is ambient defined? Is it by the perceived 'weight'? The lack of activity in the foreground? I would say such music would require a spaciousness and openness for the term to be considered properly. What is the function of music in our society? Should function be the primary consideration of titles (as opposed to form?) As artists, that struggle exists in perpetuity, and it is in our best interest to choose to react before a reaction is thrust upon us. As loopers, we are often the first to implement the term, and often the first to abuse it (too many overdubs/etc.) Maybe we should be the first to consider an alternative, or a solution. Terms such as 'modern classical' often fit, but they lack any kind of description. Maybe lack of description is what is required of such a term? A ambiguity can be functional as well- especially in art. There are most likely several solutions, but what they are may require a shift in understanding or perspective. Any insight would be well regarded. --14dae93411514accb704b0e96bcc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a question for considering, because I have had it on my mind for a w= hile and it appears to possibly be of some use for many of you as well (fun= ctional questioning!)=A0

What do you call 'ambient&#= 39; music when it crosses over into the active listening domain? Some of my= work has been right =A0'on the edge of ambient and something more-ness= .' I often see the term 'ambient' haphazardly thrown ontop of a= nything that doesnt fit into the other 'categories,' and it seems t= o me that this is an abuse of the term. After all, from what I understand, = there was an 'intent' behind ambient music whereas most of what we = see that's called 'ambient' now, is labeled so as an afterthoug= ht or even a reflex.

As I understand: Ambient music was/is a passive experience. = As it becomes 'busier,' we actively listen- because we have no choi= ce. How is ambient defined? Is it by the perceived 'weight'? The la= ck of activity in the foreground? I would say such music would require a sp= aciousness and openness for the term to be considered properly. What is the= function of music in our society? Should function be the primary considera= tion of titles (as opposed to form?) As artists, that struggle exists in pe= rpetuity, and it is in our best interest to choose to react before a reacti= on is thrust upon us.=A0

As loopers, we are often the first to implement the ter= m, and often the first to abuse it (too many overdubs/etc.) Maybe we should= be the first to consider an alternative, or a solution. Terms such as '= ;modern classical' often fit, but they lack any kind of description. Ma= ybe lack of description is what is required of such a term? A ambiguity can= be functional as well- especially in art. There are most likely several so= lutions, but what they are may require a shift in understanding or perspect= ive.

Any insight would be well regarded.=A0
--14dae93411514accb704b0e96bcc-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 14:46:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 138E618345E; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 14:45:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <97BADD15-B538-4A05-8AE0-7E957186CED2@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7-660852256 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Halloween Scare Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 07:45:52 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 14:45:59 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7-660852256 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Following on the creativity thread, maybe the thing to do is put a knife through one's head and go 'other-worldly'. works for me Ed!! --Apple-Mail-7-660852256 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Following on the creativity thread, maybe the thing to do is put a knife through one's head and go 'other-worldly'. 

works for me Ed!!
--Apple-Mail-7-660852256-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 15:08:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D409F18345E; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 15:08:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 694129744/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.25.140/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.25.140 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiUCAO/+s05YbRmM/2dsb2JhbAAMOJpTkicBAQEEOEARCxgJFg8JAwIBAgFFHAG9T4krBJk6jEg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,455,1315177200"; d="scan'208";a="694129744" Message-ID: <4EB3FFEB.9060900@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 15:08:27 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: livelooping. Ambient. References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 15:08:27 +0000 (UTC) william middlemiss wrote: > my first impressions > > The name 'livelooping' itself is fairly noncommittal, and > representative of an act that any musician who owns a 'looping device' > does. Actually it's also a made up term by a group of people who have specific ideas about what it means: Music in which the sounds are the result of an interaction between a musician and an instrument, while the form is the result of the interaction of a musician with a looping device. ...you might enjoy that definition enough to adopt it. Originally "Ambient" referred to music designed to blend with the environmental sounds that would also be present. ...so being minimal helped to achieve that. Nowadays it doesn't seem to mean that any more. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 15:21:34 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A90718345D; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 15:21:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=5K88fWoEaFbns0++g/wx3CWbPaDRbFSRRxZ0EZqsZoQ=; b=K92ehFdj4hLcTXCO4mRS3WAZOnMQgEkU/j8TZSk8gZMFkzM1BKowSt5yeL7y9Lk/4a jO7PkuG9zB7w7a2ba/671qoHyoBgORLiBSRlCK7u8QhH7ZS6oBYKlYevyYoTPQgdh2E6 1yNLUAKwEwXL4FSya+DV9bYZg5/36LOr3MeWA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4EB3FFEB.9060900@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4EB3FFEB.9060900@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 11:21:33 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: livelooping. Ambient. From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340def9c290004b0ea4256 Resent-Message-ID: <-TlSvC.A.sQH.-LAtOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 15:21:34 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340def9c290004b0ea4256 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 " Actually it's also a made up term by a group of people who have specific ideas about what it means: Music in which the sounds are the result of an interaction between a musician and an instrument, while the form is the result of the interaction of a musician with a looping device." *Yes, I would say that all inherently fits within the "act that any musician who owns a 'looping device' does. " * "Originally "Ambient" referred to music designed to blend with the environmental sounds that would also be present. ...so being minimal helped to achieve that. Nowadays it doesn't seem to mean that any more." *Yes. Hence my note about ambient music incorporating a degree of 'space' not present in other music. If the space wasnt there, the environment would have no room to be present. I dislike misappropriated terms and ideas, but misappropriation (often the result of oversimplification) is the perpetual danger in sending words out of ourselves. * * * *My point to the second thread was that finding a more suitable term can pre-empt misappropriation to some degree. Surely, In an ideal word. Of course, accommodation of a term isnt guaranteed. (as in, you cant force people to understand, and use proper terminology.) * * * *Cheers,* *Billy* --14dae9340def9c290004b0ea4256 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
"=A0Actually it's= also a made up term by a group of people who
have specific ideas= about what it means:
Music in which the = sounds are the result of an interaction
between a musician = and an instrument, while the form is the
result of the inter= action of a musician with a looping device."

act that any musician who = owns a 'looping device' does.=A0"=A0

"Originally "Ambient" referred to music designed= to blend with the environmental =A0sounds that would also be present.
...so being minimal= helped to achieve that.
Nowadays it doesn&#= 39;t seem to mean that any more."

<= b>Yes. Hence my note about ambient music incorporating a degree of 'spa= ce' not present in other music. If the space wasnt there, the environme= nt would have no room to be present. I dislike misappropriated terms and id= eas, but misappropriation (often the result of oversimplification) is the p= erpetual danger in sending words out of ourselves.=A0

M= y point to the second thread was that finding a more suitable term can pre-= empt misappropriation to some degree. Surely, In an ideal word. Of course, = accommodation of a term isnt guaranteed. (as in, you cant force people to u= nderstand, and use proper terminology.)=A0

C= heers,
Billy


--14dae9340def9c290004b0ea4256-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 15:43:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9E65183460; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 15:43:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ktHr/dYvvglDA5T5YuA2J1MtAYANp9oNyJ/aWmvwLIg=; b=wPVnCdmSItAHlelmYB9OZb43mA550kvNf8AI2tl7FcfDqiPEtGFobytsFvptS+nA+2 4HSOV8SKT1WFych/xJNn/VapwbxN8hXVLCSyHksvfVhC29uGlqaxa6j9xBSg2yDeYnYd CxGiSiGyc9Nb5RrnzsKG1y8tn757acoJVNMwk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4E9AD950.6090501@tiscali.co.uk> <18A0AF9B8EB34E7191D06CA3FB887ECD@ccs.local> <7640BAC2-AE87-48F8-B004-F1EEDE8DE505@glasswing.com> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 11:43:54 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What do YOU do when creativity dries up? From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340d4b8fdf6c04b0ea9285 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 15:43:55 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340d4b8fdf6c04b0ea9285 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 'Sing loud and bad!' I love it! As a painter, I became painfully aware of the hindrance of too much technique. Can you get the idea finished before the paint dries? If not, compromise. Simplify technique to get a more complete working of the concept outside of your mind faster (before neuroses kick in and overthinking becomes one's undoing.) With practice, a player can find a balance between schooled/refined technique and completeness of a concept. Then, you can move on to something else because the IMPORTANT part happened- the art EXISTS. Even if crippled by poor technique, it EXISTS. If something else becomes evident upon reconsideration of the work- consider the first work a study, then revisit the theme. But past the third time(usually- consider action> reaction> reaction/ refinement/ etc.) there is a point of diminishing return of effort, and more importantly- TIME. --14dae9340d4b8fdf6c04b0ea9285 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 'Sing loud and bad!' I love it!

As a painter, I = became painfully aware of the hindrance of too much technique. Can you get = the idea finished before the paint dries? If not, compromise. Simplify tech= nique to get a more complete working of the concept outside of your mind fa= ster (before neuroses kick in and overthinking becomes one's undoing.)= =A0

With practice, a player can find a balance between scho= oled/refined technique and completeness of a concept. Then, you can move on= to something else because the IMPORTANT part happened- the art EXISTS.=A0<= /div>

Even if crippled by poor technique, it EXISTS. If somet= hing else becomes evident upon reconsideration of the work- consider the fi= rst work a study, then revisit the theme. But past the third time(usually- = consider action> reaction> reaction/ refinement/ etc.) there is a poi= nt of diminishing return of effort, and more importantly- TIME.=A0





<= /div>
--14dae9340d4b8fdf6c04b0ea9285-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 16:02:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2715918345D; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 16:02:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 687510902/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.25.140/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.25.140 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiUCAKILtE5YbRmM/2dsb2JhbAAMOJpTkicBAQEEOEARCxgJFg8JAwIBAgFFHAG9WokrBJk6jEg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,456,1315177200"; d="scan'208";a="687510902" Message-ID: <4EB40CA7.2090100@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 16:02:47 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: livelooping. Ambient. References: <4EB3FFEB.9060900@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 16:02:47 +0000 (UTC) william middlemiss wrote: > " Actually it's also a made up term by a group of people who > have specific ideas about what it means: > Music in which the sounds are the result of an interaction > between a musician and an instrument, while the form is the > result of the interaction of a musician with a looping device." > > *Yes, I would say that all inherently fits within the "act that any > musician who owns a 'looping device' does. " * essentially yes....need to work on the definition. With livelooping the form can take on unique features which take the music out of any regular genre classification. "any musician who owns a looping device" is likely to produce music where the effect of the looping device is secondary to other considerations of musical classification. The 12 bar blues is loopable, but you wouldn't want to call it livelooping. Let's have another go....... Music in which the sounds are the result of an interaction between a musician and an instrument, while the form is uniquely the result of the interaction of a musician with a looping device. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 16:07:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12F5018345F; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 16:07:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=3kn4snR/2TdwuYXvh+wm0CPnSGzQFWY7ukd303aPFv0= c=1 sm=1 a=KfGq-mLK1qwA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=9_NOgyVLwEwA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=qYz8RHWopigd8QnFYCx1XA==:17 a=2nhGjAOeAAAA:8 a=HSWCTTXAAAAA:8 a=npx5NHmsAAAA:8 a=-KG3j4xFAAAA:8 a=bLmzTDcsAAAA:8 a=RNJEvcRRVUo1MfHQ2e0A:9 a=lgXDP58q_TdiJO6YoeUA:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=7D-7_bLXlE8A:10 a=EPQ08gsTE2cA:10 a=98forKxYaykA:10 a=YJ7EujCM9OrpppIKt5sA:9 a=jwuD_QH9GWUAH7P_HI8A:7 a=qYz8RHWopigd8QnFYCx1XA==:117 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 12:07:10 -0400 (EDT) From: =?UTF8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <6b361c46.235087.1336f557395.Webtop.46@charter.net> Subject: Re: What do YOU do when creativity dries up? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9718716_1237158965.1320422830987" User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 X-SID: 46 X-Originating-IP: [68.118.35.162] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 16:07:11 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_9718716_1237158965.1320422830987 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Willianm, As a felllow painter, I can certainly relate to those words. If you cn simply get the idea out . . . that issometimes the greater=20 partof the battle. Thanks for sharing. tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn Man is the only animal that can remain on friendly terms with the=20 victims he intends to eat until he eats them. =E2=80=93 Samuel Butler (1835= -=20 1902) http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/Jun-07/27768 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTunes On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 8:43 AM, william middlemiss wrote: 'Sing loud and bad!' I love it! As a painter, I became painfully aware of the hindrance of too much=20 technique. Can you get the idea finished before the paint dries? If not,=20 compromise. Simplify technique to get a more complete working of the=20 concept outside of your mind faster (before neuroses kick in and=20 overthinking becomes one's undoing.)=C2=A0 With practice, a player can find a balance between schooled/refined=20 technique and completeness of a concept. Then, you can move on to=20 something else because the IMPORTANT part happened- the art EXISTS.=C2=A0 Even if crippled by poor technique, it EXISTS. If something else becomes=20 evident upon reconsideration of the work- consider the first work a=20 study, then revisit the theme. But past the third time(usually- consider=20 action> reaction> reaction/ refinement/ etc.) there is a point of=20 diminishing return of effort, and more importantly- TIME.=C2=A0 ------=_Part_9718716_1237158965.1320422830987 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Willianm,

=
As a felllow painter, I can certainly relate= to those words.

If you cn simply get the idea out . . . that issometimes the greater= partof the battle.

<= FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"2" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERN= ING=3D"0">Thanks for sharing.

tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn

<= DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT">Man is the only animal that can remain on fri= endly terms with the victims he intends to eat until he eats them. =E2=80= =93 Samuel Butler (1835 - 1902)

http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDet= ailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193
ht= tp://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/Jun-07/27768
Ted Killian's &q= uot;Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTunes


On F= ri, Nov 4, 2011 at 8:43 AM, william middlemiss wrote:

 'Sing lo= ud and bad!' I love it!

As a painter, I became painfully aware of the hindran= ce of too much technique. Can you get the idea finished before the paint dr= ies? If not, compromise. Simplify technique to get a more complete working = of the concept outside of your mind faster (before neuroses kick in and ove= rthinking becomes one's undoing.)=C2=A0

With practice, a player can find a balance between schooled/refined techn= ique and completeness of a concept. Then, you can move on to something else= because the IMPORTANT part happened- the art EXISTS.=C2=A0


Even if crippled by poor technique, it EXISTS. If som= ething else becomes evident upon reconsideration of the work- consider the = first work a study, then revisit the theme. But past the third time(usually= - consider action> reaction> reaction/ refinement/ etc.) there is a p= oint of diminishing return of effort, and more importantly- TIME.=C2=A0








------=_Part_9718716_1237158965.1320422830987-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 16:12:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C6E7183461; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 16:12:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=cr51cJh/YO7qitKQnkxM8u7NyDmWQdFb71gGmXD/cJc=; b=Pzl9LYhZKtVVMGRy2xEJXdLroQSYSEm5WrKf2ZYX8tvYO0yFRnCgXekf20kIJIOraU DYTp6VyeWPt/05LrbPRpEXtBpXXvKWyaY8+iWqL8aDqJBT0ihOmdC+wmMaUUuWYCXV+8 BOvulzoV1jUxPs8OXZq5U5NrmAtDkBj95KKls= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6b361c46.235087.1336f557395.Webtop.46@charter.net> References: <6b361c46.235087.1336f557395.Webtop.46@charter.net> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 17:12:05 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What do YOU do when creativity dries up? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 16:12:07 +0000 (UTC) ...something else. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 16:24:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CDF2183460; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 16:24:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: Subject: RE: livelooping.bandcamp.com Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 17:24:51 +0100 Message-ID: <60A87FA6074845ED832D4BD89F9D4C4B@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01CC9B16.A9592800" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcybC969RhMDwh9CQBWtlRgGv9OAmQAAgwGA In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 Resent-Message-ID: <2tLroC.A.Vq.YHBtOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 16:24:56 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01CC9B16.A9592800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > If you would consider this (the 11/11/11 'event') to be an honest attempt at reaching music in a spontaneous (or undeterministic) means; than you may want to consider a more defined title for the project. I think you misunderstood my post ... "livelooping" wasn't meant to be a potential title for Rick's project (he'd have to give it a title anyway, not me), just as a name for a potential bandcamp presence hosting collaborative livelooping projects, or samplers -Michael ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01CC9B16.A9592800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> If you would consider this = (the=20 11/11/11 'event') to be an honest attempt at reaching music in a = spontaneous (or=20 undeterministic) means; than you may want to consider a more defined = title for=20 the project.  
 
I=20 think you misunderstood my post ... "livelooping" wasn't meant to be a = potential=20 title for Rick's project (he'd have to give it a title anyway, = not=20 me), just as a name for a potential bandcamp presence hosting = collaborative=20 livelooping projects, or samplers
 
-Michael
 
------=_NextPart_000_002A_01CC9B16.A9592800-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 16:33:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9E0D18345E; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 16:33:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=9dPlIclIrno8jhVLipjuCQ1+sqUK/0zTLovoDzMqjks=; b=DWqD1FsyhSTwPBpl/cs8ZTrWxFHbq4wLnRk00KZG/pfX9n+A2uaLA8zZlCNFYA7AQG /AoYmqlhXdoBDTsY2oLjy7sPZkEWVsxjbvV1vrV2dn7iybtnDvhsk1t07d6V6YP31E5T a6jZc62In82Mp8q34UdlBUzfEDElOKqs666wo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <60A87FA6074845ED832D4BD89F9D4C4B@mpeserver> References: <60A87FA6074845ED832D4BD89F9D4C4B@mpeserver> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 12:33:29 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: livelooping.bandcamp.com From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340defdc0f2d04b0eb4344 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 16:33:30 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340defdc0f2d04b0eb4344 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 No, I got that. I just think if someone else has it, its a broad enough term that isnt worth arguing over. On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Michael Peters wrote: > ** > > If you would consider this (the 11/11/11 'event') to be an honest > attempt at reaching music in a spontaneous (or undeterministic) means; than > you may want to consider a more defined title for the project. > > I think you misunderstood my post ... "livelooping" wasn't meant to be a > potential title for Rick's project (he'd have to give it a title anyway, > not me), just as a name for a potential bandcamp presence hosting > collaborative livelooping projects, or samplers > > -Michael > > --14dae9340defdc0f2d04b0eb4344 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No, I got that. I just think if someone else has it, its a broad enough ter= m that isnt worth arguing over.=A0

On Fri= , Nov 4, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:
> = If you would consider this (the=20 11/11/11 'event') to be an honest attempt at reaching music in a sp= ontaneous (or=20 undeterministic) means; than you may want to consider a more defined title = for=20 the project.=A0=A0
=A0
I=20 think you misunderstood my post ... "livelooping" wasn't mean= t to be a potential=20 title for=A0Rick's project (he'd have to give=A0it a title anyway, = not=20 me), just as a name for a potential bandcamp presence hosting collaborative= =20 livelooping projects, or samplers
=A0
-Mich= ael
=A0

--14dae9340defdc0f2d04b0eb4344-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 16:34:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A9B218345F; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 16:34:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=98LM1jGH4fvKAhfAVd9DjKIq4L14qJIL2/IMltCWsWY=; b=iFzhykpAZI9X1pQfUbuaSzLOuY61kvB+TEn6RfSxzADIeKZ8jc6cqrnUK8R1r+nCa4 beSIOFCfAjP3FkSm4dtkeNW4k73weMbL2SK8gx05O4mWW2+lDeBKczQ2P53lFTtskYW8 qyXqL6THedAiEDyCUSJcD4qs+hVMH9ZxiSTpU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4EB40CA7.2090100@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4EB3FFEB.9060900@tiscali.co.uk> <4EB40CA7.2090100@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 12:34:26 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: livelooping. Ambient. From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f23545d48d8f404b0eb4708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 16:34:27 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f23545d48d8f404b0eb4708 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I would, if he does it live. On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 12:02 PM, andy butler wrote: > william middlemiss wrote: > >> " Actually it's also a made up term by a group of people who >> have specific ideas about what it means: >> Music in which the sounds are the result of an interaction >> between a musician and an instrument, while the form is the >> result of the interaction of a musician with a looping device." >> >> *Yes, I would say that all inherently fits within the "act that any >> musician who owns a 'looping device' does. " * >> > > essentially yes....need to work on the definition. > > > With livelooping the form can take on unique features > which take the music out of any regular genre classification. > > "any musician who owns a looping device" is likely to produce music where > the effect of the looping device is secondary to other considerations of > musical classification. > > The 12 bar blues is loopable, but you wouldn't want to call > it livelooping. > > Let's have another go....... > > > Music in which the sounds are the result of an interaction > between a musician and an instrument, while the form is uniquely the > > result of the interaction of a musician with a looping device. > > andy > > > --e89a8f23545d48d8f404b0eb4708 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would, if he does it live.=A0

On Fri, N= ov 4, 2011 at 12:02 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
william middlemiss wrote:
" Actually it's also a made up term by a group of people who
have specific ideas about what it means:
Music in which the sounds are the result of an interaction
between a musician and an instrument, while the form is the
result of the interaction of a musician with a looping device."

*Yes, I would say that all inherently fits within the "act that any mu= sician who owns a 'looping device' does. " *

essentially yes....need to work on the definition.


With livelooping the form can take on unique features
which take the music out of any regular genre classification.

"any musician who owns a looping device" is likely to produce mus= ic where the effect of the looping device is secondary to other considerati= ons of musical classification.

The 12 bar blues is loopable, but you wouldn't want to call
it livelooping.

Let's have another go.......


Music in which the sounds are the result of an interaction
between a musician and an instrument, while the form is uniquely the

result of the interaction of a musician with a looping device.

andy



--e89a8f23545d48d8f404b0eb4708-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 16:36:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96C3118345F; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 16:36:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=PSHGj70mRmCSq5U0EPFYKktSxXjxN8dnCdCVf2excmA=; b=cJGN3/NuztmE1RebVtwyRhwZ4vMDtFsBA1pXF+HFZqA/RjYMyOZjgKtRL/rr90LyQa az547zpY8XRXViCm/TU8hBpxQS775IH/GVUmlTYodMGrjK5J9KNL5oIl0RsS+OTrKmcC KYW6o7k0X9FGtWBzx/g+N5b1xg1lMJGl3m03A= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4EB3FFEB.9060900@tiscali.co.uk> <4EB40CA7.2090100@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 12:36:42 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: livelooping. Ambient. From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae934115166cc1b04b0eb4fa2 Resent-Message-ID: <3fA2V.A.cCB.bSBtOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 16:36:43 +0000 (UTC) --14dae934115166cc1b04b0eb4fa2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 And if its recordings of looping, then it wouldn't be live at all. --14dae934115166cc1b04b0eb4fa2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And if its recordings of looping, then it wouldn't be live at all.=A0

--14dae934115166cc1b04b0eb4fa2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 16:39:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 365E018345A; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 16:39:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=6DnK9SlspjQUafU6MzYmZAt1wpB1MUaNH28Mo/Kfxqk= c=1 sm=1 a=KfGq-mLK1qwA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=PHK0NHw9U4kA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=qYz8RHWopigd8QnFYCx1XA==:17 a=SHaFo6hrxy-bYY2qcHYA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=qYz8RHWopigd8QnFYCx1XA==:117 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 12:39:58 -0400 (EDT) From: =?UTF8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <3ed16f4a.2355f2.1336f737976.Webtop.46@charter.net> Subject: Re: livelooping. Ambient. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 X-SID: 46 X-Originating-IP: [68.118.35.162] Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 16:39:59 +0000 (UTC) Hmmmm, Sounds like we might be a little on our way to perhaps defining "live-looping" as a particular "style" of music a little too much for my taste. Next stop, bring on the live-looping "nazis" -- y'all better make sure your live-looping musical cred isn't tainted with any other mongrel musical form bloodlines . . . eh? Is one looper's music less (or more) legitimately "live-looping" music than another's because it might be a blues . . . or pop song cover . . . or a polka? If such a thought were (or had ever been) a part of this community I would not have stuck around for 16 years. If it ever gets to that point, I'd feel ashamed to have been a part of it for so long. Just my 2 cents. If the criteria for a particular piece of music being somehow more legitimate as "live-looping" music is a consideration of whether or not it could have existed in any other way or form or category . . . and that its existance and form was especially and neccessarily dictated and dependent on a pirece of hardware instead of a musician's mind, then we've already crossed some sort of line somewhere methinks. Think very carefully about what you are saying. These ideas could have implications you don't intend. Best, Ted On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 9:02 AM, andy butler wrote: > essentially yes....need to work on the definition. > > With livelooping the form can take on unique features > which take the music out of any regular genre classification. > > "any musician who owns a looping device" is likely to produce music > where the effect of the looping device is secondary to other > considerations of musical classification. > > The 12 bar blues is loopable, but you wouldn't want to call > it livelooping. > > Let's have another go....... > > Music in which the sounds are the result of an interaction > between a musician and an instrument, while the form is uniquely the > result of the interaction of a musician with a looping device. > > andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 16:47:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCF2F18345D; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 16:47:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 694262029/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.25.140/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.25.140 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AusDAHQWtE5YbRmM/2dsb2JhbAAMOIR6lVmOEBaEAQEBAQQjFREvEQsYAgIFFgsCAgkDAgECAUUcAatukgiBMIZlgRYEmTqFH4cp X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,456,1315177200"; d="scan'208";a="694262029" Message-ID: <4EB4173B.1060609@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 16:47:55 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What do YOU do when creativity dries up? References: <6b361c46.235087.1336f557395.Webtop.46@charter.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 16:47:55 +0000 (UTC) :-) yep, I might tidy my room andy Per Boysen wrote: > ...something else. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 17:04:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DD8318345A; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 17:04:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=47KyV1Wwu6MkPyN8YoV7WLgm3EwXJf+TL/N+RM6PKEQ=; b=mxdi5ta6hZqzNW3JFfb5pydhjNrSFgKfgDEwYWrZmLJDZA3zOnTLtWZUM4Fw3AzAV8 C0t4wtfEAQCPmAwH6euuEEEm264Vryjvc4vfr4UzMPI3QwPKnKIAgijb15dKq9kerjvO HkP7Eic4/1sVHm4Nzk+B/1y3p6z2qhrB/OiEA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4EB4173B.1060609@tiscali.co.uk> References: <6b361c46.235087.1336f557395.Webtop.46@charter.net> <4EB4173B.1060609@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 18:04:17 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What do YOU do when creativity dries up? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 17:04:18 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 5:47 PM, andy butler wrote: > I might tidy my room Oh, that. p:-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 17:11:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 931CD183460; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 17:11:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=RCTdePJ9CaNWxscbaVxb43aEdZuTEZ0CivhJXCgH1u8=; b=v6ak+dyM9pxNCqt4MR5AvZX/5JsnybrI4cgDx/3Bo95vIlPmk/QCV8Arl2LnkZ6VW6 tVw2JmC8WVqUXQwL7BYMfdl1QW0PrOkuH7ClhluasSADfYxp1RS1DfoA/GLpwfImlLD2 UHSrGAkrOI/1tgagbDgjeAoEBj4V79vzms9Pg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <6b361c46.235087.1336f557395.Webtop.46@charter.net> <4EB4173B.1060609@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 10:10:58 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What do YOU do when creativity dries up? From: Phil Clevenger To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64c1baef6bb0104b0ebc9b1 Resent-Message-ID: <2SXx8B.A.a1B.jyBtOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 17:11:00 +0000 (UTC) --0016e64c1baef6bb0104b0ebc9b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have a set of index cards I maintain and turn to when things dry up... Each card contains one entry; What would Brian Wilson do? What would Joni MItchell do? What would Glen Campbell do? What would Prince do? What would Gang of Four do? and so on. I've never had to draw a second card... and there has never been a case where the card and the current project were unable to find some point of meaningful engagement... nor has the result ever been anywhere close to detectable vis a vis the inspirational source taken from the card. And it's very often shed new light on what seems to be an intractable situation :) It's been a wonderful tool for me... highly recommended :) Phil :) --0016e64c1baef6bb0104b0ebc9b1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a set of index cards I maintain and turn to when things dry up...
Each card contains one entry;

What would Brian Wilson do?
What would Joni MItchell do?

What would Glen Campbell do?

What would Prince do?

What would Gang of Four do?

and so on.<= br>
I've never had to draw a second card... and there has never been= a case where the card and the current project were unable to find some poi= nt of meaningful engagement... nor has the result ever been anywhere close = to detectable vis a vis the inspirational source taken from the card. And i= t's very often shed new light on what seems to be an intractable situat= ion :)

It's been a wonderful tool for me... highly recommended :)

P= hil :)
--0016e64c1baef6bb0104b0ebc9b1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 17:13:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 171EA18348B; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 17:13:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=aAGXywGZTt1MtlKCvx0fIIxSvbVBnL/7ORzqp1YcPJI=; b=J74r4gi4fOjJkObErYotJPayWq+GUmzX4dNxbhU3/xK1bxSsQarkaiv+mq/kq+DR2z KkqsAL83KGynZr+nknawxB8Yt9UwfB1a4094CJC/jSxgu21fVawyCj92rT2EInIYuNWa R5CcSUxy0OmteNCVRo1ub7B3Jcy8QdLrOJPak= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <6b361c46.235087.1336f557395.Webtop.46@charter.net> <4EB4173B.1060609@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 18:13:08 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What do YOU do when creativity dries up? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 17:13:08 +0000 (UTC) Each one of them would chose to do "something else" ...which means all cards are the same. p:-) On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > I have a set of index cards I maintain and turn to when things dry up... > > Each card contains one entry; > > What would Brian Wilson do? > > What would Joni MItchell do? > > What would Glen Campbell do? > > What would Prince do? > > What would Gang of Four do? > > and so on. > > I've never had to draw a second card... and there has never been a case > where the card and the current project were unable to find some point of > meaningful engagement... nor has the result ever been anywhere close to > detectable vis a vis the inspirational source taken from the card. And it's > very often shed new light on what seems to be an intractable situation :) > > It's been a wonderful tool for me... highly recommended :) > > Phil :) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 17:38:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B58A18345F; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 17:38:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5A45E0476C1E405C95859BE1D0089E27@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <6b361c46.235087.1336f557395.Webtop.46@charter.net><4EB4173B.1060609@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: What do YOU do when creativity dries up? Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 17:38:40 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 Resent-Message-ID: <_d9zz.A.GcC.bMCtOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 17:38:35 +0000 (UTC) Heh, one thinks of the old joke card saying "How do you keep an idiot busy? (turn over card)", on both sides... :) Sorry. -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 5:13 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What do YOU do when creativity dries up? Each one of them would chose to do "something else" ...which means all cards are the same. p:-) On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > I have a set of index cards I maintain and turn to when things dry up... > > Each card contains one entry; > > What would Brian Wilson do? > > What would Joni MItchell do? > > What would Glen Campbell do? > > What would Prince do? > > What would Gang of Four do? > > and so on. > > I've never had to draw a second card... and there has never been a case > where the card and the current project were unable to find some point of > meaningful engagement... nor has the result ever been anywhere close to > detectable vis a vis the inspirational source taken from the card. And > it's > very often shed new light on what seems to be an intractable situation :) > > It's been a wonderful tool for me... highly recommended :) > > Phil :) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 18:17:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43EC918345F; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 18:17:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 694291390/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.25.140/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.25.140 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiYCAIwrtE5YbRmM/2dsb2JhbAAMOIR6lVmSJwEBAQQjDwEFQBELGAICBRYLAgIJAwIBAgFFHAEQrAKSBIEwhmWBFgSZOoxI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,456,1315177200"; d="scan'208";a="694291390" Message-ID: <4EB42C29.3090009@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 18:17:13 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: livelooping. Ambient. References: <3ed16f4a.2355f2.1336f737976.Webtop.46@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <3ed16f4a.2355f2.1336f737976.Webtop.46@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 18:17:13 +0000 (UTC) hi Ted, that's a bit harsh, and actually rather hurtful. A small minority has been using the term 'livelooping' to describe their music for several years now, and not tried to impose notions of 'legitimacy' on anyone. Why on earth would a Polka player with a loop device want to refer to their music as "livelooping"? I honestly don't believe they would, they already have a perfect and informative label to use...............'Polka'. ...but let's say they did, do you really think there's anyone going to insist they aren't 'legitimate' to do that? The monsters you imagine simply don't exist. andy tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: > Hmmmm, > > Sounds like we might be a little on our way to perhaps defining > "live-looping" as a particular "style" of music a little too much for my > taste. > > Next stop, bring on the live-looping "nazis" -- y'all better make sure > your live-looping musical cred isn't tainted with any other mongrel > musical form bloodlines . . . eh? > > Is one looper's music less (or more) legitimately "live-looping" music > than another's because it might be a blues . . . or pop song cover . . . > or a polka? > > If such a thought were (or had ever been) a part of this community I > would not have stuck around for 16 years. > > If it ever gets to that point, I'd feel ashamed to have been a part of > it for so long. > > Just my 2 cents. > > If the criteria for a particular piece of music being somehow more > legitimate as "live-looping" music is a consideration of whether or not > it could have existed in any other way or form or category . . . and > that its existance and form was especially and neccessarily dictated and > dependent on a pirece of hardware instead of a musician's mind, then > we've already crossed some sort of line somewhere methinks. > > Think very carefully about what you are saying. > > These ideas could have implications you don't intend. > > Best, > > Ted > > On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 9:02 AM, andy butler wrote: > >> essentially yes....need to work on the definition. >> >> With livelooping the form can take on unique features >> which take the music out of any regular genre classification. >> >> "any musician who owns a looping device" is likely to produce music >> where the effect of the looping device is secondary to other >> considerations of musical classification. >> >> The 12 bar blues is loopable, but you wouldn't want to call >> it livelooping. >> >> Let's have another go....... >> >> Music in which the sounds are the result of an interaction >> between a musician and an instrument, while the form is uniquely the >> result of the interaction of a musician with a looping device. >> >> andy > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 18:25:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3B7318345E; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 18:25:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=liTgtQVMWxibz+qjV/oMRJTZGXDsl3Y8uoWEShB6HE8=; b=rFiZRwPg9SHcKRmwWUS3fMHrbNiZFp7Y3xQkIkWY6N8ld11xXFLpsbk8C9nFc8CWUk eHj/E4OllW32LBjMd+7Wqt0yjXU1OUcpl8myCCrGs3EbHzJQ+rV96VFeEi35Zbyjai75 8iMcpF0cMTpgLHv0e4sm5rmQM91snRjNkHhjU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5A45E0476C1E405C95859BE1D0089E27@ELUK1> References: <6b361c46.235087.1336f557395.Webtop.46@charter.net> <4EB4173B.1060609@tiscali.co.uk> <5A45E0476C1E405C95859BE1D0089E27@ELUK1> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 11:25:09 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What do YOU do when creativity dries up? From: Phil Clevenger To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e644c7b846c7d604b0ecd3bf Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 18:25:12 +0000 (UTC) --0016e644c7b846c7d604b0ecd3bf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Per, by that logic, every answer in this thread is the same: "Do something different." The reason for the thread is in fact to gather ways to trick ourselves into doing just that, because it can be difficult. Edward deBono has written reams of material on this very subject. Anyway, the magic for me, with my own solution, is that each suggestion triggers something different depending upon context. I may be working on something in 3/4, and the Brian Wilson card may trigger sleighbells for me... but in another context, that same card may trigger something around close harmonies or a Wilson-esque guitar-and-bass figure... one never knows... and working on a quiet piece and drawing the Gang of Four card? Interesting for sure. Stephen, I am no idiot. But your comment has inspired me to add a card to the deck: What would Iggy Pop do? Phil On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Stephen Goodman wrote: > Heh, one thinks of the old joke card saying "How do you keep an idiot > busy? (turn over card)", on both sides... :) Sorry. > > -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen > Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 5:13 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-**delight.com > > Subject: Re: What do YOU do when creativity dries up? > > Each one of them would chose to do "something else" > ...which means all cards are the same. > > p:-) > > > > > On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Phil Clevenger > wrote: > >> I have a set of index cards I maintain and turn to when things dry up... >> >> Each card contains one entry; >> >> What would Brian Wilson do? >> >> What would Joni MItchell do? >> >> What would Glen Campbell do? >> >> What would Prince do? >> >> What would Gang of Four do? >> >> and so on. >> >> I've never had to draw a second card... and there has never been a case >> where the card and the current project were unable to find some point of >> meaningful engagement... nor has the result ever been anywhere close to >> detectable vis a vis the inspirational source taken from the card. And >> it's >> very often shed new light on what seems to be an intractable situation :) >> >> It's been a wonderful tool for me... highly recommended :) >> >> Phil :) >> >> > --0016e644c7b846c7d604b0ecd3bf Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Per, by that logic, every answer in this thread is the same: "Do=20 something different." The reason for the thread is in fact to gather= =20 ways to trick ourselves into doing just that, because it can be=20 difficult. Edward deBono has written reams of material on this very=20 subject.

Anyway, the magic for me, with my own solution, is that each=20 suggestion triggers something different depending upon context. I may be working on something in 3/4, and the Brian Wilson card may trigger=20 sleighbells for me... but in another context, that same card may trigger something around close harmonies or a Wilson-esque guitar-and-bass=20 figure... one never knows... and working on a quiet piece and drawing=20 the Gang of Four card? Interesting for sure.

Stephen, I am no idiot. But your comment has inspired me to add a card = to the deck: What would Iggy Pop do?

Phil

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Ste= phen Goodman <spgoodman@earthlight.net> wrote:
Heh, one thinks of the old joke card saying= "How do you keep an idiot busy? (turn over card)", on both sides= ... :) =A0Sorry.

-----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 5:13 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Subject: Re: What do YOU do when creativity dries up?

Each one of them would chose to do "something else"
...which means all cards are the same.

p:-)




On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Phil Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrot= e:
I have a set of index cards I maintain and turn to when things dry up...
Each card contains one entry;

What would Brian Wilson do?

What would Joni MItchell do?

What would Glen Campbell do?

What would Prince do?

What would Gang of Four do?

and so on.

I've never had to draw a second card... and there has never been a case=
where the card and the current project were unable to find some point of meaningful engagement... nor has the result ever been anywhere close to
detectable vis a vis the inspirational source taken from the card. And it&#= 39;s
very often shed new light on what seems to be an intractable situation :)
It's been a wonderful tool for me... highly recommended :)

Phil :)



--0016e644c7b846c7d604b0ecd3bf-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 18:33:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B81C2183462; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 18:33:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=RwL/5zAYHbTjAcINlEv2T9X8vhqnhI1DSNnZXdXPyNI=; b=tfePvNdvnKPiUn45ewvysbiDe8cREkBiCjDI8e15oT79Y+4P7LD1fps75hkjDyHqsY ve8D/Lo04vb74eyOBzR9MRq+tGbCMq/DJLQAifSTffbKSvj631QdF2e/KhoP99GOvFL+ nNTXFuYWZdYyK4uu2YBaI9RHm7fcmGaYFmDX8= References: <3ed16f4a.2355f2.1336f737976.Webtop.46@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <3ed16f4a.2355f2.1336f737976.Webtop.46@charter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8A306) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8A306) From: Fabio_A Subject: Re: livelooping. Ambient. Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 19:32:05 +0100 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 18:33:06 +0000 (UTC) > Is one looper's music less (or more) legitimately "live-looping" music tha= n another's because it might be a blues . . . or pop song cover . . . or a p= olka? Ask Michael Klob >=20 > If such a thought were (or had ever been) a part of this community I would= not have stuck around for 16 years. >=20 > If it ever gets to that point, I'd feel ashamed to have been a part of it f= or so long. >=20 > Just my 2 cents. >=20 > If the criteria for a particular piece of music being somehow more legitim= ate as "live-looping" music is a consideration of whether or not it could ha= ve existed in any other way or form or category . . . and that its existance= and form was especially and neccessarily dictated and dependent on a pirece= of hardware instead of a musician's mind, then we've already crossed some s= ort of line somewhere methinks. >=20 > Think very carefully about what you are saying. >=20 > These ideas could have implications you don't intend. >=20 > Best, >=20 > Ted Jokes apart, I deeply resonate with you, Ted. -f >=20 > On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 9:02 AM, andy butler wrote: >=20 >> essentially yes....need to work on the definition. >>=20 >> With livelooping the form can take on unique features >> which take the music out of any regular genre classification. >>=20 >> "any musician who owns a looping device" is likely to produce music where= the effect of the looping device is secondary to other considerations of mu= sical classification. >>=20 >> The 12 bar blues is loopable, but you wouldn't want to call >> it livelooping. >>=20 >> Let's have another go....... >>=20 >> Music in which the sounds are the result of an interaction >> between a musician and an instrument, while the form is uniquely the >> result of the interaction of a musician with a looping device. >>=20 >> andy >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 18:33:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C349E183474; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 18:33:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=wi2J7rgTjtt66PGN7+JMAiX4/IqmFavmjTO+nE+rCy4= c=1 sm=0 a=Xj4uL2BB1M8A:10 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=A2bGdCcTAAAA:8 a=IwxQdCL2AAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=_hiNxEjGSLg8SdGEqDUA:9 a=V3LOucGTxhmvL962-mkA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=PCIXu9QagVMsmNBKxBkQ4Q==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Re: The nature of ambient music References: From: chaz worm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A334) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4A928E6F-EC23-4ADC-B94A-CBE1A600B9A4@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 14:33:08 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 18:33:13 +0000 (UTC) This is an excellent question.=20 I don't think my cave-man looping attempts would ever be misconstrued as "am= bient" for many reasons.=20 I have a very minimalistic setup (banjo, minstrel fretless banjo, jaw harp, h= armonica and vocals and an Rc50 with a POD Octave pedal and a digital reverb= . Is that minimal? Maybe not).=20 I often want to be as concise as possible so my looping is quick and to-the-= point. Usually involving a mere drum loop to sing punk songs over. I've noti= ced that banjo by itself is almost too sparse for punk.=20 I like singing and writing goofy songs and I always felt "ambient" to be mor= e of an instrumental type realm. Solos and instrumental cut into my "mic tim= e" where I can be saying/singing goofy stuff.=20 All that being said I often do like to create bizarre ambient soundscapes wi= th my assortment of other strange acoustic instrument (a dobro, dulcimer, ca= rdboard box upright and toy keyboards) to my banjo rotation. You'd be surpri= sed at how spacey Appalachian instruments sound looped just right.=20 I love the ambient soundscape I can get but I usually get a short fixed amou= nt of time with an audience and I'm a sub par musician with a good sense of h= umor. I wanna do as many funny songs as I can until they pull the plug in me= .=20 Perhaps I'm in the wrong mailing list. True my loops often will be the openi= ng drums of one song while I sing a different song on top of it (can you say= "I'm So Lonesome When The Levee Breaks I Could Cry"?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DTPOQ1BCZwIc&feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_player That is a looping song only in the most basic definition. I just took an ope= ning drum beat to a song fed off my phone, pressed a pedal at the right time= and voila! I have a drum beat to sing Hank Williams songs and annoy a drunk= bar.=20 I'm utilizing looping and generating my own beats off my banjo head much bet= ter now.=20 Perhaps I'm on the wrong mailing list but I feel pretty at home here.=20 Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo Earth, Worm, &, Fire and Electric Light Opry http://chazworm.com http://ELOpry.com http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm On Nov 4, 2011, at 10:21 AM, william middlemiss w= rote: > I have a question for considering, because I have had it on my mind for a w= hile and it appears to possibly be of some use for many of you as well (func= tional questioning!)=20 >=20 > What do you call 'ambient' music when it crosses over into the active list= ening domain? Some of my work has been right 'on the edge of ambient and so= mething more-ness.' I often see the term 'ambient' haphazardly thrown ontop o= f anything that doesnt fit into the other 'categories,' and it seems to me t= hat this is an abuse of the term. After all, from what I understand, there w= as an 'intent' behind ambient music whereas most of what we see that's calle= d 'ambient' now, is labeled so as an afterthought or even a reflex. >=20 > As I understand: Ambient music was/is a passive experience. As it becomes '= busier,' we actively listen- because we have no choice. How is ambient defin= ed? Is it by the perceived 'weight'? The lack of activity in the foreground?= I would say such music would require a spaciousness and openness for the te= rm to be considered properly. What is the function of music in our society? S= hould function be the primary consideration of titles (as opposed to form?) A= s artists, that struggle exists in perpetuity, and it is in our best interes= t to choose to react before a reaction is thrust upon us.=20 >=20 > As loopers, we are often the first to implement the term, and often the fi= rst to abuse it (too many overdubs/etc.) Maybe we should be the first to con= sider an alternative, or a solution. Terms such as 'modern classical' often f= it, but they lack any kind of description. Maybe lack of description is what= is required of such a term? A ambiguity can be functional as well- especial= ly in art. There are most likely several solutions, but what they are may re= quire a shift in understanding or perspective. >=20 > Any insight would be well regarded.=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 18:34:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D5F3183453; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 18:34:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ZkkQ5pJLi1O/fE21mNgIn15FBlDKpTFB0s/Y+j8Yndo=; b=DQsvXKJ5+IL2bxYO56LaqU27RblF1Z0dGZyr/+kkGUGP92Qdto5FGtN7A4ReK8pCbT Nn+1I6t5iaptiksDPv3P0uRtkLZDCWwkYF0+Te8isBslY5AfmlX3RRFjZlo3RwPu5Vq5 cC9p69rLTxrWsb6StUGy/skIYCBn+HgR1m/fs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3ed16f4a.2355f2.1336f737976.Webtop.46@charter.net> References: <3ed16f4a.2355f2.1336f737976.Webtop.46@charter.net> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 13:34:46 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: livelooping. Ambient. From: marcus kirby To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151750e42aa88c1b04b0ecf537 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 18:34:48 +0000 (UTC) --00151750e42aa88c1b04b0ecf537 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I never considered looping to be a style, just a technique. Nor have I have ever felt anyone tried to force looping in a particular direction. Though there is a sort of style that comes with the quantized replace function of the edp. I think that's what it is anyway. The glitched out stuff that I hear bill walker or andre doing. On Nov 4, 2011 11:40 AM, "tEd =AE kiLLiAn" wrote: > Hmmmm, > > Sounds like we might be a little on our way to perhaps defining > "live-looping" as a particular "style" of music a little too much for my > taste. > > Next stop, bring on the live-looping "nazis" -- y'all better make sure > your live-looping musical cred isn't tainted with any other mongrel music= al > form bloodlines . . . eh? > > Is one looper's music less (or more) legitimately "live-looping" music > than another's because it might be a blues . . . or pop song cover . . . = or > a polka? > > If such a thought were (or had ever been) a part of this community I woul= d > not have stuck around for 16 years. > > If it ever gets to that point, I'd feel ashamed to have been a part of it > for so long. > > Just my 2 cents. > > If the criteria for a particular piece of music being somehow more > legitimate as "live-looping" music is a consideration of whether or not i= t > could have existed in any other way or form or category . . . and that it= s > existance and form was especially and neccessarily dictated and dependent > on a pirece of hardware instead of a musician's mind, then we've already > crossed some sort of line somewhere methinks. > > Think very carefully about what you are saying. > > These ideas could have implications you don't intend. > > Best, > > Ted > > On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 9:02 AM, andy butler wrote: > > essentially yes....need to work on the definition. >> >> With livelooping the form can take on unique features >> which take the music out of any regular genre classification. >> >> "any musician who owns a looping device" is likely to produce music wher= e >> the effect of the looping device is secondary to other considerations of >> musical classification. >> >> The 12 bar blues is loopable, but you wouldn't want to call >> it livelooping. >> >> Let's have another go....... >> >> Music in which the sounds are the result of an interaction >> between a musician and an instrument, while the form is uniquely the >> result of the interaction of a musician with a looping device. >> >> andy >> > > --00151750e42aa88c1b04b0ecf537 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I never considered looping to be a style, just a technique. Nor have I h= ave ever felt anyone tried to force looping in a particular direction.

Though there is a sort of style that comes with the quantized replace fu= nction of the edp. I think that's what it is anyway. The glitched out s= tuff that I hear bill walker or andre doing.

On Nov 4, 2011 11:40 AM, "tEd =AE kiLLiAn&q= uot; <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:
Hmmmm,

Sounds like we might be a little on our way to perhaps defining "live-= looping" as a particular "style" of music a little too much = for my taste.

Next stop, bring on the live-looping "nazis" -- y'all better = make sure your live-looping musical cred isn't tainted with any other m= ongrel musical form bloodlines . . . eh?

Is one looper's music less (or more) legitimately "live-looping&qu= ot; music than another's because it might be a blues . . . or pop song = cover . . . or a polka?

If such a thought were (or had ever been) a part of this community I would = not have stuck around for 16 years.

If it ever gets to that point, I'd feel ashamed to have been a part of = it for so long.

Just my 2 cents.

If the criteria for a particular piece of music being somehow more legitima= te as "live-looping" music is a consideration of whether or not i= t could have existed in any other way or form or category . . . and that it= s existance and form was especially and neccessarily dictated and dependent= on a pirece of hardware instead of a musician's mind, then we've a= lready crossed some sort of line somewhere methinks.

Think very carefully about what you are saying.

These ideas could have implications you don't intend.

Best,

Ted

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 9:02 AM, andy butler wrote:

essentially yes....need to work on the definition.

With livelooping the form can take on unique features
which take the music out of any regular genre classification.

"any musician who owns a looping device" is likely to produce mus= ic where the effect of the looping device is secondary to other considerati= ons of musical classification.

The 12 bar blues is loopable, but you wouldn't want to call
it livelooping.

Let's have another go.......

Music in which the sounds are the result of an interaction
between a musician and an instrument, while the form is uniquely the
result of the interaction of a musician with a looping device.

andy

--00151750e42aa88c1b04b0ecf537-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 18:37:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4825018345C; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 18:37:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=GPy6g6krQalu8ZFiGlU4Gr8mRM99YwmGXoL3gXvzX60=; b=wfspfvlJXLSLXbyfl/MeJ30IJdmXSVGfwRMXxOPjbkxK/grD1JymRsGOpn+F/eGxLZ 3IyAqpuehMdDu7OpTcw4gRqSb6h0hQiyZFYNyCOsR0GgttywQw0d5y1YpqznU69ZUM+5 FyWLt8FmL1jC1LNdDrfdGAAEcA6ykoDEH9lOw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4EB42C29.3090009@tiscali.co.uk> References: <3ed16f4a.2355f2.1336f737976.Webtop.46@charter.net> <4EB42C29.3090009@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 14:37:46 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: livelooping. Ambient. From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9341151601c4f04b0ed0086 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 18:37:47 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9341151601c4f04b0ed0086 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I dont think thats harsh at all. To me, Ted's point seems to be a fair assessment of what I understand your view of the matter is. By definition- if it was live, and looped, It was live looping. If some use the term to describe something else- they are manipulating a phrase for their own ends. I dont know if someone has used the phrase 'live-looping' to describe a particular syle or what-have-you, and honestly, I dont care. Ill call it what it is. If it was live (as opposed to 'canned samples sequenced on a grid'- that exists to, but that wouldn't be done 'live') and looped- its live looping. Can we leave the poor bastard who has the bandcamp page alone and move on already? BTW- in todays musical environment, its just as likely to find a player who plays a polka next to a 12 bar blues in a looping environment as it is to find purveyors of either style. I feel by affixing broader names to musical idioms we can encourage broader approaches and get broader results thereby moving art forward on a societal level. Not only do the monsters Ted speaks of exist- but they are the very people who discourage experimentation in the arts by minimizing 'legitamate' approaches and reducing evolution of successful practices by affixing narrow-and close minded approaches and passing these ideas around to the next generation. As in- "anything done by Schoenberg in his serialist phase wasnt music because serialism is a learned technique and thereby artificial." Synthetic scales are the only real scales, discuss... (If you cant guess, Im an advocate of looping. The man who plays 12 bar blues may someday become an expert texturalist by means of evolution with the craft. Or he may not. I am not going to say his art isn't legitimate if he doesn't want to go anywhere with it. Im not going to say he isnt a looper- his timing may be impeccable because of the nature of shuffle grooves- Im done with hearing elitists misusing artistic terms- If you would like to continue this discussion in private, feel free to do so. But narrow-mindedness is a place for anywhere but the arts.) --14dae9341151601c4f04b0ed0086 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I dont think thats harsh at all. To me, Ted's point seems to be a fair = assessment of what I understand your view of the matter is.=A0

By definition- if it was live, and looped, It was live looping.=A0

If some use the term to describe something else- they a= re manipulating a phrase for their own ends. I dont know if someone has use= d the phrase 'live-looping' to describe a particular syle or what-h= ave-you, and honestly, I dont care. Ill call it what it is. If it was live = (as opposed to 'canned samples sequenced on a grid'- that exists to= , but that wouldn't be done 'live') and looped- its live loopin= g.=A0

Can we leave the poor bastard who has the bandcamp page= alone and move on already?

BTW- in todays musical= environment, its just as likely to find a player who plays a polka next to= a 12 bar blues in a looping environment as it is to find purveyors of eith= er style. I feel by affixing broader names to musical idioms we can encoura= ge broader approaches and get broader results thereby moving art forward on= a societal level.=A0

Not only do the monsters Ted speaks of exist- but they = are the very people who discourage experimentation in the arts by minimizin= g 'legitamate' approaches and reducing evolution of successful prac= tices by affixing narrow-and close minded approaches and passing these idea= s around to the next generation. As in- "anything done by Schoenberg i= n his serialist phase wasnt music because serialism is a learned technique = and thereby artificial."

Synthetic scales are the only real scales, discuss...

(If you cant guess, Im an advocate of looping. The = man who plays 12 bar blues may someday become an expert texturalist by mean= s of evolution with the craft. Or he may not. I am not going to say his art= isn't legitimate if he doesn't want to go anywhere with it. Im not= going to say he isnt a looper- his timing may be impeccable because of the= nature of shuffle grooves- Im done with hearing elitists misusing artistic= terms- If you would like to continue this discussion in private, feel free= to do so. But narrow-mindedness is a place for anywhere but the arts.)



--14dae9341151601c4f04b0ed0086-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 18:38:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DC8718345E; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 18:38:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=bQFeLxwJ0AI2jPfyfbP+wCD8MpXGxVxEDD4PDuaSImQ=; b=bpIpw2S98rs1bKgwq1XYDz9uLm+gSuUzOdY1H36d4TvNX+vYazwKcZkdTW2ut7Yb7D nyKSnPlSFAsvGBosSa6QtsoLauMpsFSqPwxfP9H2ilu/5tV1fFUnFFoG87c958nYQd3B KI0rs7xBPLYFeflWp05uEmdsqeDc6OXZ/ru3o= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <3ed16f4a.2355f2.1336f737976.Webtop.46@charter.net> <4EB42C29.3090009@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 14:38:45 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: livelooping. Ambient. From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340defde0df704b0ed037a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 18:38:46 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340defde0df704b0ed037a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 "I never considered looping to be a style, just a technique. Nor have I have ever felt anyone tried to force looping in a particular direction." EXACTLY --14dae9340defde0df704b0ed037a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "I never consi= dered looping to be a style, just a technique. Nor have I have ever felt an= yone tried to force looping in a particular direction."

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--14dae9340defde0df704b0ed037a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 18:41:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A74718345E; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 18:41:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 687563016/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.25.140/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.25.140 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArwDACMxtE5YbRmM/2dsb2JhbAAMN5pTjiaEAQEBAQQ4QBELIRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBvgOJKwSZOoxI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,456,1315177200"; d="scan'208";a="687563016" Message-ID: <4EB431BD.6080008@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 18:41:01 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What do YOU do when creativity dries up? References: <6b361c46.235087.1336f557395.Webtop.46@charter.net> <4EB4173B.1060609@tiscali.co.uk> <5A45E0476C1E405C95859BE1D0089E27@ELUK1> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 18:41:00 +0000 (UTC) Phil Clevenger wrote: > .. and working on a quiet piece and drawing the Gang of Four > card? "eradicate neo-Confucianist thinking from China" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 18:44:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 666C9183460; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 18:44:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=OvvOJmYnjjXcF/9vOGye9pcd4YpHa2G4YAbdCc+tXxI=; b=CYp327VkohcfZrb+RhJo1+bFsYDnIqK8XqFGZ+ykKXuwmpECHYuQR6e1iVx3jDSDlD T8XJd5HjTggXL9tbqf4btmzoAp9pIj8EG0/ywyc1jr347OY/ZaNzmRXRZlZoktHL+1t2 SEHz8Ze4adxvpLqpUPQr7Kd0r7zDhXePTLMr4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4A928E6F-EC23-4ADC-B94A-CBE1A600B9A4@earthwormandfire.com> References: <4A928E6F-EC23-4ADC-B94A-CBE1A600B9A4@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 14:44:04 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The nature of ambient music From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340defe25bf604b0ed1694 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 18:44:05 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340defe25bf604b0ed1694 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 You know, maybe youve hit a bit thing there- as far as 'duration' as it relates to form. Looping by nature involves repetition as a compositional tool- and Ambient could be the approach of making music to fit a longer form, perhaps (or maybe thats where it has ended up.) Incorporating environment into a piece requires not just space- but consistency in form, tone, tonal (or nontonal) devices. So whats the stuff that would fit a categorization of 'busy ambient'? or 'dense ambient'? --14dae9340defe25bf604b0ed1694 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

You know, maybe youve hit a bit thing th= ere- as far as 'duration' as it relates to form. Looping by nature = involves repetition as a compositional tool- and Ambient could be the appro= ach of making music to fit a longer form, perhaps (or maybe thats where it = has ended up.) Incorporating environment into a piece requires not just spa= ce- but consistency in form, tone, tonal (or nontonal) devices.

So whats th= e stuff that would fit a categorization of 'busy ambient'? or '= dense ambient'?
--14dae9340defe25bf604b0ed1694-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 18:45:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC2FC18345B; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 18:45:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=at2ZoqBvPMfaYhtLGlfPs8cZT47g4IjDjMw1Wp3xPNI=; b=DKghuPv5ndVQU46Srh4fwPe/MG4QTNrS7n2QJQaGByldL4hWeVBrtNFopCT3ttOCL0 2kJOiJFVAXNq6zuN+j5wls4vWzGVsqKEzbFJNZCj8r39NVVP+D+G7f2TTWVffaGA2l4A uPt/li9o7T7EHP3YDa211SHbB7TC5jYUNSKEc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4EB431BD.6080008@tiscali.co.uk> References: <6b361c46.235087.1336f557395.Webtop.46@charter.net> <4EB4173B.1060609@tiscali.co.uk> <5A45E0476C1E405C95859BE1D0089E27@ELUK1> <4EB431BD.6080008@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 14:45:02 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What do YOU do when creativity dries up? From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340def57839b04b0ed1af7 Resent-Message-ID: <2m9mY.A.AQE.vKDtOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 18:45:03 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340def57839b04b0ed1af7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 haha On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 2:41 PM, andy butler wrote: > Phil Clevenger wrote: > > .. and working on a quiet piece and drawing the Gang of Four card? >> > > "eradicate neo-Confucianist thinking from China" > > --14dae9340def57839b04b0ed1af7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable haha

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 2:41 PM, andy= butler <akb= utler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
Phil Clevenger wrote:

.. and working on a quiet piece and drawing the Gang of Four card?

"eradicate neo-Confucianist thinking from China"


--14dae9340def57839b04b0ed1af7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 19:52:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 083D4183475; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 19:52:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=k9z+nBUs1kiQ1ftZTq77RyXNhCFIVzRcB+Z9iM2InL8=; b=C127O6jA2Xox/hbHCk8jSITW6w3Fl3pkBl/TL4sBvVdcNAXKJSJgIGHw2ObIs/AMEo RQRnTM5TmmzWsCk0XFFwN1WXYEmvLsX+4x/5NfA9asSb3Qli77CxHQ/5yO2fJQPqDG1i M9Ghe8LAcnzeQspd6O7mJP19tnz+bIU8JSEsQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <6b361c46.235087.1336f557395.Webtop.46@charter.net> <4EB4173B.1060609@tiscali.co.uk> <5A45E0476C1E405C95859BE1D0089E27@ELUK1> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 20:47:11 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What do YOU do when creativity dries up? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <1TPKMD.A.QEF.GKEtOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 19:52:38 +0000 (UTC) Yes, Phil - sorry for pointing at the moon - but I did put a smiley there! Wasn't fully serious I guess, couldn't resist slapping this thread with The One Clapping Hand... per ;-) On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 7:25 PM, Phil Clevenger w= rote: > Per, by that logic, every answer in this thread is the same: "Do somethin= g > different." The reason for the thread is in fact to gather ways to trick > ourselves into doing just that, because it can be difficult. Edward deBon= o > has written reams of material on this very subject. > > Anyway, the magic for me, with my own solution, is that each suggestion > triggers something different depending upon context. I may be working on > something in 3/4, and the Brian Wilson card may trigger sleighbells for > me... but in another context, that same card may trigger something around > close harmonies or a Wilson-esque guitar-and-bass figure... one never > knows... and working on a quiet piece and drawing the Gang of Four card? > Interesting for sure. > > Stephen, I am no idiot. But your comment has inspired me to add a card to > the deck: What would Iggy Pop do? > > Phil > > On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Stephen Goodman > wrote: >> >> Heh, one thinks of the old joke card saying "How do you keep an idiot >> busy? (turn over card)", on both sides... :) =C2=A0Sorry. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen >> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 5:13 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: What do YOU do when creativity dries up? >> >> Each one of them would chose to do "something else" >> ...which means all cards are the same. >> >> p:-) >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Phil Clevenger >> wrote: >>> >>> I have a set of index cards I maintain and turn to when things dry up..= . >>> >>> Each card contains one entry; >>> >>> What would Brian Wilson do? >>> >>> What would Joni MItchell do? >>> >>> What would Glen Campbell do? >>> >>> What would Prince do? >>> >>> What would Gang of Four do? >>> >>> and so on. >>> >>> I've never had to draw a second card... and there has never been a case >>> where the card and the current project were unable to find some point o= f >>> meaningful engagement... nor has the result ever been anywhere close to >>> detectable vis a vis the inspirational source taken from the card. And >>> it's >>> very often shed new light on what seems to be an intractable situation = :) >>> >>> It's been a wonderful tool for me... highly recommended :) >>> >>> Phil :) >>> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 20:47:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEE31183451; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 20:47:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=CKBBFOpPYfBSFfEY1Rl9efxuAv/fdt7oFsWUUq3BrLQ= c=1 sm=1 a=KfGq-mLK1qwA:10 a=cWQ9uGxeeyIA:10 a=PHK0NHw9U4kA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=qYz8RHWopigd8QnFYCx1XA==:17 a=ceSnoMjP92VgGcmvAxAA:9 a=D8juNxXz2eqiUbaaf2MA:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=qYz8RHWopigd8QnFYCx1XA==:117 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 16:47:00 -0400 (EDT) From: =?UTF8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <1b7c756b.237ded.1337055a4b3.Webtop.46@charter.net> Subject: Re: livelooping. Ambient. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=no Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 X-SID: 46 X-Originating-IP: [68.118.35.162] Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 20:47:01 +0000 (UTC) Sorry Andy, I didn't mean to injure feelings. I only meant to point out something I seem to see happening with the=20 conversation. I am not asserting that an identifyable "polka" musician (per se) wold=20 want this sort of categorization. But one can easily imagine an eclectic multi-stylist who uses=20 live-loping to perform a set of music that could easily contain a=20 variety of things...a blues, a country tune, a pop ballad, a rock=20 anthem, and a Reggae cover, and a short piece of classical music...all=20 using the same simple pedal. I have seen such (or something very close). What would be wrong for **that** sort of performer to call him or=20 herself a "live-looper?" His or her "styles" are too ecclectic and too many, but the common=20 thread is solo live-looping. Sure, there are a lot of us who do amorphous, ambienty, jimmy-jammy,=20 wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey, odd-ball music because looping divices=20 **can** exert a sort of heavy influence in that particular direction=20 (when we let them). I tend to be more like that than not myself, truth to tell. But I admire those who impose enough "will" on these devices to make=20 them do other things -- if that's what they have a mind to do. It sort of irks me a little to see the possibility of potentially=20 setting up exclusionary parameters on who is a live-looping musician or=20 what is live-looping music. All this attempt to be "correct" about our terms actually (to me at=20 least) seems somehow wrong. I will submerge back into my shell now. I seem to have spoken out of turn and have perhaps caused more harm than=20 good. Onward and downward. Cheers, Ted On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:17 AM, andy butler wrote: > hi Ted, > > that's a bit harsh, and actually rather hurtful. > > > A small minority has been using the term 'livelooping' > to describe their music for several years now, > and not tried to impose notions of 'legitimacy' > on anyone. > > > Why on earth would a Polka player with a > loop device want to refer to their music as "livelooping"? > I honestly don't believe they would, they already have a perfect and=20 > informative label > to use...............'Polka'. > > ...but let's say they did, do you really > think there's anyone going to insist they > aren't 'legitimate' to do that? > > > > The monsters you imagine simply don't exist. > > > > andy > > > > > tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn wrote: >> Hmmmm, >> >> Sounds like we might be a little on our way to perhaps defining=20 >> "live-looping" as a particular "style" of music a little too much for=20 >> my taste. >> >> Next stop, bring on the live-looping "nazis" -- y'all better make=20 >> sure your live-looping musical cred isn't tainted with any other=20 >> mongrel musical form bloodlines . . . eh? >> >> Is one looper's music less (or more) legitimately "live-looping"=20 >> music than another's because it might be a blues . . . or pop song=20 >> cover . . . or a polka? >> >> If such a thought were (or had ever been) a part of this community I=20 >> would not have stuck around for 16 years. >> >> If it ever gets to that point, I'd feel ashamed to have been a part=20 >> of it for so long. >> >> Just my 2 cents. >> >> If the criteria for a particular piece of music being somehow more=20 >> legitimate as "live-looping" music is a consideration of whether or=20 >> not it could have existed in any other way or form or category . . .=20 >> and that its existance and form was especially and neccessarily=20 >> dictated and dependent on a pirece of hardware instead of a=20 >> musician's mind, then we've already crossed some sort of line=20 >> somewhere methinks. >> >> Think very carefully about what you are saying. >> >> These ideas could have implications you don't intend. >> >> Best, >> >> Ted >> >> On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 9:02 AM, andy butler wrote: >> >>> essentially yes....need to work on the definition. >>> >>> With livelooping the form can take on unique features >>> which take the music out of any regular genre classification. >>> >>> "any musician who owns a looping device" is likely to produce music=20 >>> where the effect of the looping device is secondary to other=20 >>> considerations of musical classification. >>> >>> The 12 bar blues is loopable, but you wouldn't want to call >>> it livelooping. >>> >>> Let's have another go....... >>> >>> Music in which the sounds are the result of an interaction >>> between a musician and an instrument, while the form is uniquely the >>> result of the interaction of a musician with a looping device. >>> >>> andy >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 21:20:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D42C4183453; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 21:20:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=hr4h1/zkXYERSJ2EStLXlJ9v/X1e5ATtVUFVM9Abuxk= c=1 sm=0 a=Xj4uL2BB1M8A:10 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=A2bGdCcTAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=Yh_j3Tf7LlmUjtH92GUA:9 a=pCBFByAej1wlk3FXikAA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=PCIXu9QagVMsmNBKxBkQ4Q==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Re: The nature of ambient music References: <4A928E6F-EC23-4ADC-B94A-CBE1A600B9A4@earthwormandfire.com> From: chaz worm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A334) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <425692EB-EE4F-411A-9FFC-9587FF5F2249@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 17:20:14 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 21:20:17 +0000 (UTC) Ok here is a clip of my little (and far more talented) brother playing a Bea= tles song in the bar in which Im always looping Hank Williams songs. There i= s no looping except for the orchestra build up. He mimicked the orchestra by= playing diminished scales up and down the neck. Should that not be consider= ed "live looping".=20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DEUKSX9ZNJdk&feature=3Dyoutube_gdata_player I have other clips of him playing/looping a Men At Work or Dire Straights so= ngs. True none of this could be misconstrued as ambient. He was trying to so= und more like the original version of the song.=20 Of course this is not ambient music but I think it's live looping. =20 But to be fair genres and categories suck. I'm never played even on public r= adio around here (eastern KY) because I'm "not format friendly" Formats suck. Just play. Like I like to yell at other musicians that dwell t= oo much on their virtuosity. "Dance mf Dance!!" Just try to entertain. (or offend) Move me! Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo Earth, Worm, &, Fire and Electric Light Opry http://chazworm.com http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm On Nov 4, 2011, at 2:44 PM, william middlemiss w= rote: >=20 >=20 > You know, maybe youve hit a bit thing there- as far as 'duration' as it re= lates to form. Looping by nature involves repetition as a compositional tool= - and Ambient could be the approach of making music to fit a longer form, pe= rhaps (or maybe thats where it has ended up.) Incorporating environment into= a piece requires not just space- but consistency in form, tone, tonal (or n= ontonal) devices. >=20 > So whats the stuff that would fit a categorization of 'busy ambient'? or '= dense ambient'? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 21:32:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0679418345C; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 21:32:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Boss RC-300 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 14:32:18 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 21:32:25 +0000 (UTC) Looking at the preliminary spec sheet for the Roland RC-300. this thing looks like it has a lot to offer, including midi synchronization both as a master and a slave with midi in thru and out, usb out and wav file transfers, built in expression pedal and 2 expression pedal ports, 3 independent tracks, 16 onboard effects, dedicated track faders an XLR mic in w/ phantom power, true stereo operation, sub outputs and 3 hours of memory, hell you could use it to record your jam band's 1st three numbers:-) lets hope the midi synch is rock solid and not an afterthought like it was on the RC-50. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 21:41:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A790183453; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 21:41:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=DVnFoh1ZUIYZuWZA+Ne8VNYLpD8eiVwObAsC3T6zVUE= c=1 sm=2 a=9_NOgyVLwEwA:10 a=agWTFdhlyG4A:10 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=OUXYneDTAAAA:8 a=dMZfGW12AAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=g3e2HU3pkfZhVbijApgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=053Au2P4wpAA:10 a=90wtVDmMUhhvF4EqSJYA:9 a=2cLMMrUrz4slPMlqlnkA:7 X-Telus-Outbound-IP: 64.180.201.44 From: richard sales Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-685769208 Subject: Re: What do YOU do when creativity dries up? 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The Haiku Master has struck with a vengeance! richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.goodnaturefarms.com On Nov 4, 2011, at 9:12 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > ...something else. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > --Apple-Mail-2-685769208 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
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On Nov 4, 2011, at 9:12 AM, Per Boysen wrote:

...something else.

Greetings from = Sweden

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<= /html>= --Apple-Mail-2-685769208-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 21:43:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50C5D18345E; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 21:43:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: livelooping.bandcamp.com In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: michael klobuchar X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CE6951F4266B5B_20D0_39808F_webmail-m136.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34290-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CE6951F4182315-20D0-16E67C@webmail-m136.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [68.162.161.133] Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 17:43:41 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1320443021; bh=M1hsREae8HbZTVpAQVrkO0UwqCSxQF1MLydTw4j0yuQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=oBbWLy0nOo2hzYJJF2YruKfrapnnJJrXW1lISo5GyNWZ/NDKNLjL8rSk6n76v6iNZ rhdmVM/3NQEKL1ZO4k/NLd88HvxRL2oIIqiK5rfdSCw59QGGxxe4cbMKj7zAzmEMoL Ww32PIabD5L3FogWrTRgva2zGwm3MeZ2JJzxB4/w= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:316907904:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29084eb45c8d1717 Resent-Message-ID: <2oC_tC.A.GDH.WyFtOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 21:43:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CE6951F4266B5B_20D0_39808F_webmail-m136.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" not to beat a dead horse....."LIVELOOPING" is pretty limiting.....granted, 99% of what i do is LIVE (LOOPING) but i have done a bit of NON LIVE (LOOPI= NG)..... i am not being flippant, i think about this a lot.....i like the LOOPERSDEL= IGHT name..... just a thought! =20 ----------MB_8CE6951F4266B5B_20D0_39808F_webmail-m136.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" not to beat a dead horse....."LIVEL= OOPING" is pretty limiting.....granted,

99% of what i do is LIVE (= LOOPING) but i have done a bit of NON LIVE (LOOPING).....

i am not being flippant, i= think about this a lot.....i like the LOOPERSDELIGHT name.....

just a thought!
----------MB_8CE6951F4266B5B_20D0_39808F_webmail-m136.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 21:59:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D422183454; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 21:59:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <4A928E6F-EC23-4ADC-B94A-CBE1A600B9A4@earthwormandfire.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The nature of ambient music In-Reply-To: <4A928E6F-EC23-4ADC-B94A-CBE1A600B9A4@earthwormandfire.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: michael klobuchar X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CE6954185ADB88_20D0_398B43_webmail-m136.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34290-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CE6954184C9342-20D0-16EB18@webmail-m136.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [68.162.161.133] Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 17:59:01 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1320443941; bh=g8TstrQEvJVD03+B5/EumSlbw/xjd6FhVuEssQp9yAU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wASzlynHANMZSkoFIGY5mr1QyspGgn2SRBbGdB/qpgCkK932fWgGWk+lF6LpD18BA 448k1bGITbbU25pkyhiepHy62EKsjOCUX/79E+aTLziC9Y4mfFAAteIZvMenwriT0t A+cqKXJOC7JMqol7RlpChFfnZ+/LUrA+j3fNVsnY= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:346563360:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c74eb460253167 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 21:59:08 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CE6954185ADB88_20D0_398B43_webmail-m136.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MR WORM SEZ: Perhaps I'm on the wrong mailing list but I feel pretty at home here.=20 chazz.....i feel that i have spent my whole life on the wrong mailing list = but you are indeed right, it is comfy here! =20 ----------MB_8CE6954185ADB88_20D0_398B43_webmail-m136.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" MR WORM SEZ:
Perhaps I'm on the wrong mailing list but I feel pretty at home here= .

chazz.....i feel that i have sp= ent my whole life on the wrong mailing list but you are indeed right,

it is comfy here!
----------MB_8CE6954185ADB88_20D0_398B43_webmail-m136.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 22:04:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EA3818345F; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 22:04:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 694340938/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.25.140/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.25.140 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlkHADxgtE5YbRmM/2dsb2JhbAAMN5pXjiUBhAABAQEEOEARCxgJFg8JAwIBAgFFHAG9fYkrBJk6jEg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,457,1315177200"; d="scan'208";a="694340938" Message-ID: <4EB46184.7050804@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 22:04:52 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: livelooping.bandcamp.com References: <8CE6951F4182315-20D0-16E67C@webmail-m136.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CE6951F4182315-20D0-16E67C@webmail-m136.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_FCMyB.A.dhH.DGGtOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 22:04:51 +0000 (UTC) michael klobuchar wrote: >"LIVELOOPING" now with capitals From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 22:06:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E732F18345D; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 22:06:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 687606516/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.25.140/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.25.140 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkMCAC5htE5YbRmM/2dsb2JhbAAMN4R6lV2SJgEBAQMBIw8BBUAGCwsaAgUWCwICCQMCAQIBRRwBh36kCJF5gTCGZYEWBJk6jEg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,457,1315177200"; d="scan'208";a="687606516" Message-ID: <4EB46200.3050609@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 22:06:56 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: livelooping. Ambient. References: <1b7c756b.237ded.1337055a4b3.Webtop.46@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <1b7c756b.237ded.1337055a4b3.Webtop.46@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 22:06:54 +0000 (UTC) tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: > I only meant to point out something I seem to see happening with the > conversation. :-) respect, no worries andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 22:07:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10A72183462; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 22:07:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <3ed16f4a.2355f2.1336f737976.Webtop.46@charter.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: livelooping. Ambient. In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: michael klobuchar X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CE69554CC121B7_20D0_399094_webmail-m136.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34290-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CE69554CB07810-20D0-16ED86@webmail-m136.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [68.162.161.133] Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 18:07:38 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1320444458; bh=aPGxIrPwJD3LjTm5S923d5ZVHxNZtO6pCHmzL58toLo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=yc78FmJzeXE1ciEIpz66o5EWuND6iIHOSPVq4iq3hMYlU+ITYudGt926EsN6Msr4p kf1qi3/negy+RpieVXNtsMOUvQsa+/2ImGWz2IEDN0XfgsnswZGmDxWUjDzjLcuyDK gqn58zVEdT17u3imAoaqImcFazS/3TFpJ98w7BvU= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:251188560:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29094eb4622a0b70 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 22:07:41 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CE69554CC121B7_20D0_399094_webmail-m136.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ANDY SEZ: <<.....or a polka? >> FFFFFAAAAABBBBBIIIIIOOOOO SEZ: <> i don't think POLKAS are a joke, little mister!.....they are a state of min= d!..... oh you young people! =20 ----------MB_8CE69554CC121B7_20D0_399094_webmail-m136.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" 
ANDY SEZ:
<<.....or a polka? >=
>

FFFFFAAAAABBBBBIIIIIOOOOO SEZ:
<<<=
/font>Ask Michael Klob.........=
.Jokes apart>>

i don't think POLKAS are a joke, little mister!.....they are a state= of mind!.....

oh you young people!
----------MB_8CE69554CC121B7_20D0_399094_webmail-m136.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 22:17:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B36F4183466; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 22:17:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <1b7c756b.237ded.1337055a4b3.Webtop.46@charter.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: livelooping. Ambient. In-Reply-To: <1b7c756b.237ded.1337055a4b3.Webtop.46@charter.net> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: michael klobuchar X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CE695698F2D085_20D0_399619_webmail-m136.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34290-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CE695698DFC57D-20D0-16EFB6@webmail-m136.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [68.162.161.133] Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 18:16:55 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1320445016; bh=l/C9hLOI/svO4F+J9gdrPkMSNs4SdCDUQkNv8Y5vVQw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OGhVo5Oyeipil3ZX0Vq9p1zaZINBxesgu4mv1iFrxpQmFqnefkgridtgpA6TERAan d05pLiHwp7Emkoht9k/7DfYAIqmCqDPGxqd9UzQDXrKQjJLt0l3oHaSWmcQCnzV4tx PVEMlvVP4n1mWFmyRnOoy+EU+gEpqxfIPAj8ecug= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:318976480:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294b4eb464584c72 Resent-Message-ID: <3KcvzB.A.l-H.eRGtOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 22:17:02 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CE695698F2D085_20D0_399619_webmail-m136.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" TED SEZ: <> i like it all mixed up.....punk ambient, polka ambient but don't give me 2 = ambient ambient in a row =20 ----------MB_8CE695698F2D085_20D0_399619_webmail-m136.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" TED SEZ:
<<His or her "styles" are too ec= clectic and too many, but the common=20 thread is solo live-looping.>>

i like it all mixed up.....punk ambient, polka ambient but don't giv= e me 2 ambient ambient in a row
----------MB_8CE695698F2D085_20D0_399619_webmail-m136.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 22:18:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E66A9183474; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 22:18:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=or1MpszcRwwj4AAM+yzogZYUAIxOl10Qsv62uCKxjF4=; b=iH7axebIzajXjW52maDiqwPprHnv6U5Y+71vCfHncJjlC6BfDKnYTsCnZpk+y6LJ5w LFpg/TiI+IDYzYdyvsdh4WBfAQsO/23BKrEAGF2iy1I3cvyXjeBCh3zkcRD0y0dDmZUy uCOGPdpFvh+u44tIKAnBtUhZKN4iNA8/B99dY= Message-ID: <4EB464B8.4030904@googlemail.com> Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 23:18:32 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What do YOU do when creativity dries up? References: <6b361c46.235087.1336f557395.Webtop.46@charter.net> <4EB4173B.1060609@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 22:18:26 +0000 (UTC) Phil Clevenger schrieb: > I have a set of index cards I maintain and turn to when things dry up... > > Each card contains one entry; > > What would Brian Wilson do? next step in your development as an artist would be: a set of index cards with one element. That card contains one entry: "What would Phil Clevenger do?" -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 22:36:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F082718348F; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 22:36:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ItSgKUvEgpuArvFeGcEX9ho8h0+4pTt73K5WgrMP114= c=1 sm=0 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=A2bGdCcTAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=wod9hcA5AAAA:8 a=UdLFnh13aQU-zkiay0AA:9 a=PKCTvCYF0o_O3mXMO0QA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=zaMPjcxdHi0A:10 a=PCIXu9QagVMsmNBKxBkQ4Q==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Re: Boss RC-300 References: From: chaz worm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A334) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3DD99945-51ED-4E61-8333-79B773C11E80@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 18:36:38 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 22:36:42 +0000 (UTC) Sorry I keep screwing up and sending these with the return addresses: As an RC50 user. I really feel stupid for saying this because I LOVE mine. I= =3D t does what I need it to do.=3D20 I've also stated that what I do I think is vastly different and more simple t= =3D han what y'all do.=3D20 I do have two complaints about the unit.=3D20 I have freakishly tiny, monkey feet. Still yet the pedals can be hard to man= =3D ipulate if I have shoes on. Fortunate for me I hate shoes and=3D20 like to wear just toe socks on stage. This is not a complaint on my end but= =3D I would see where most would disapprove.=3D20 Another odd thing about this unit that I haven't seen addressed anywhere. It= =3D 's volume increases as its loops do. That threw my sound engineer for a loop= =3D (pun intended) I'm not down with midi. Until I see clips of Uncle Dave Macon or Grandpa Jon= =3D es or the Ramones utilizing MIDI I don't think I'll be requiring it. I under= =3D stand the RC50 midi sux. Perhaps. I knoweth not but it makes kick ass loops o= =3D f my jaw harp.=3D20 Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo Earth, Worm, &, Fire and Electric Light Opry http://chazworm.com http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm On Nov 4, 2011, at 5:32 PM, William Walker wrote: > Looking at the preliminary spec sheet for the Roland RC-300. this thing l= ooks like it has a lot to offer, including midi synchronization both as a m= aster and a slave with midi in thru and out, usb out and wav file transfers= , built in expression pedal and 2 expression pedal ports, 3 independent tra= cks, 16 onboard effects, dedicated track faders an XLR mic in w/ phantom po= wer, true stereo operation, sub outputs and 3 hours of memory, hell you coul= d use it to record your jam band's 1st three numbers:-) lets hope the midi s= ynch is rock solid and not an afterthought like it was on the RC-50. > Bill >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 22:37:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6576C183490; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 22:37:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=hr4h1/zkXYERSJ2EStLXlJ9v/X1e5ATtVUFVM9Abuxk= c=1 sm=0 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=A2bGdCcTAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=wod9hcA5AAAA:8 a=RU7Or6uftUUtmKhzAV0A:9 a=ngdAF35oYN4CoZDo-3MA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=zaMPjcxdHi0A:10 a=PCIXu9QagVMsmNBKxBkQ4Q==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Re: Boss RC-300 References: From: chaz worm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A334) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <1B8FE38A-5A3F-44BD-B58E-F098DC511033@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 18:37:50 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 22:37:53 +0000 (UTC) Looking at the specs, there is so much room for improvement on the RC50 but a= =3D t what cost?=3D20 Any word on price? I bet the rc50s will finally be getting as cheap as they= =3D should be.=3D20 Any word in the new Boomerangs? My brother upgraded to that model a couple o= =3D f years ago and I haven't asked him how much he favored it over his rc50.=3D= 20=3D Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo Earth, Worm, &, Fire and Electric Light Opry http://chazworm.com http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm On Nov 4, 2011, at 5:32 PM, William Walker wrote: > Looking at the preliminary spec sheet for the Roland RC-300. this thing l= ooks like it has a lot to offer, including midi synchronization both as a m= aster and a slave with midi in thru and out, usb out and wav file transfers= , built in expression pedal and 2 expression pedal ports, 3 independent tra= cks, 16 onboard effects, dedicated track faders an XLR mic in w/ phantom po= wer, true stereo operation, sub outputs and 3 hours of memory, hell you coul= d use it to record your jam band's 1st three numbers:-) lets hope the midi s= ynch is rock solid and not an afterthought like it was on the RC-50. > Bill >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 22:38:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D28A918349B; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 22:38:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 311538.40863.bm@omp1033.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1320446306; bh=CWQ/SYetIMq1KIaELVTRXk4UX3vMFpHDJ1q+HDAMd/E=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=3qRmNp/3V0nNII16sB5+87We25OcUf7k1GbcU2hg4zOnbzPRpu0QlgnkZtzzfMCXrFC+crUrOSNGe2TTuDAO7teLfDrrT3mOTtbY4Ic1IcZ94MHvMOlyQ7wutHHBu6DdS5KyiI7IxnjTSSGSM3BizDNm/IuIa0Pd7LTBZQgC3fw= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ub/RBlvIIdECevUp0VofTb3Uo/HKh7Il4V0Ozkg5VwsTSwkcJK3hF+ThIIS3BEnD2lDDDFESzSBloFwV5HfHL0L+KcrW+aFIOZDDObs0nag3gks7ab/pR4ibd2xirbqpHwJK3YRX51iI0Ji/Rn51UUf2OBv0jiLe96DeGlIkECc=; X-YMail-OSG: J3POyX0VM1kDiqXrnjobPBIFGCeHgwkPZ8El4_LXmk0D0Lw GNyJmbBV80CTIjmdJ.ZNjZ4lJsMQFEPkmmFPDXDJSX7iEmIsOhCGcpte1J0O vZaM2lGt6yICUMhun.GSynZptAWiNtNxq7A.mnY52URk7dwViVSbw3SeUIPj zjfMQwDnItNwftklHvfvWZM3rlUFei6DCLvfUqidUNMKxrag9JbUyuF5Hv5D JyKFlw05WzEjAs2i7jGNObjZ_OW.51th.QCdwOWItIMwpUp1nZnPYtAudRfv yG_SMd_PGqqtFZ_zw1bP6DllH_113oTajolwJgovvl3PTGRe8FrSMEo5SLsX BahM.Vrm5yVIDeCirgod56wu4rL_x2BIzh4FOehRjRnJE7wUsjoVWzcmlQPI 5CzSKkhKi2pVQ5QkCtFf9g8I6ti3lVk48M8kudDeA.KSfNg-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.325013 Message-ID: <1320446306.6145.YahooMailNeo@web161301.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 15:38:26 -0700 (PDT) From: david kirkdorffer Reply-To: david kirkdorffer Subject: chiming in.... To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-201759553-835461042-1320446306=:6145" Resent-Message-ID: <_AR52.A.nq.ilGtOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 22:38:26 +0000 (UTC) ---201759553-835461042-1320446306=:6145 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To me, "looping" is the "how", and "music" is the "what."=0A"Looping" is th= e "process", "sound" is the "result".=0A=A0=0AClassifying music by the "how= " and the "process" does nothing to describe the "what" or the "result"=0AF= or example, classifying music as "live" or "recorded" tells you nothing abo= ut the style music. ---201759553-835461042-1320446306=:6145 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
To me= , "looping" is the "how", and "music" is the "what."
"Looping" is the "process", "sound" is the "resu= lt".
 
Classifying music by the "how" and the "process"= does nothing to describe the "what" or the "result"
For example, classifying music as "live" or "rec= orded" tells you nothing about the style music.
 
 
= ---201759553-835461042-1320446306=:6145-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 01:27:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D24BD183453; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 01:27:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02965874BB614630BE1F2A59BBAE65DB@ELUK1> Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <6b361c46.235087.1336f557395.Webtop.46@charter.net><4EB4173B.1060609@tiscali.co.uk><5A45E0476C1E405C95859BE1D0089E27@ELUK1> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: What do YOU do when creativity dries up? Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 01:27:12 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01CC9B5A.0B166240" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 01:27:10 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01CC9B5A.0B166240 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_003C_01CC9B5A.0B166240" ------=_NextPart_001_003C_01CC9B5A.0B166240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I didn=E2=80=99t mean you wuz an idiot, Phil. Iggy Pop would inspire = many cards! Amongst them =E2=80=9CWhat can I do about my = dreams?=E2=80=9D... From: Phil Clevenger=20 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 6:25 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Re: What do YOU do when creativity dries up? Per, by that logic, every answer in this thread is the same: "Do = something different." The reason for the thread is in fact to gather = ways to trick ourselves into doing just that, because it can be = difficult. Edward deBono has written reams of material on this very = subject. Anyway, the magic for me, with my own solution, is that each suggestion = triggers something different depending upon context. I may be working on = something in 3/4, and the Brian Wilson card may trigger sleighbells for = me... but in another context, that same card may trigger something = around close harmonies or a Wilson-esque guitar-and-bass figure... one = never knows... and working on a quiet piece and drawing the Gang of Four = card? Interesting for sure. Stephen, I am no idiot. But your comment has inspired me to add a card = to the deck: What would Iggy Pop do? Phil On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Stephen Goodman = wrote: Heh, one thinks of the old joke card saying "How do you keep an idiot = busy? (turn over card)", on both sides... :) Sorry. -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 5:13 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Re: What do YOU do when creativity dries up? Each one of them would chose to do "something else" ...which means all cards are the same. p:-) On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Phil Clevenger = wrote: I have a set of index cards I maintain and turn to when things dry = up... Each card contains one entry; What would Brian Wilson do? What would Joni MItchell do? What would Glen Campbell do? What would Prince do? What would Gang of Four do? and so on. I've never had to draw a second card... and there has never been a = case where the card and the current project were unable to find some = point of meaningful engagement... nor has the result ever been anywhere close = to detectable vis a vis the inspirational source taken from the card. = And it's very often shed new light on what seems to be an intractable = situation :) It's been a wonderful tool for me... highly recommended :) Phil :) ------=_NextPart_001_003C_01CC9B5A.0B166240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I didn=E2=80=99t mean you wuz an idiot, Phil.   Iggy Pop would = inspire=20 many cards!  Amongst them =E2=80=9CWhat can I do about my = dreams?=E2=80=9D...
 
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: What do YOU do when creativity dries=20 up?
 
Per,=20 by that logic, every answer in this thread is the same: "Do something=20 different." The reason for the thread is in fact to gather ways to trick = ourselves into doing just that, because it can be difficult. Edward = deBono has=20 written reams of material on this very subject.

Anyway, the magic = for me,=20 with my own solution, is that each suggestion triggers something = different=20 depending upon context. I may be working on something in 3/4, and the = Brian=20 Wilson card may trigger sleighbells for me... but in another context, = that same=20 card may trigger something around close harmonies or a Wilson-esque=20 guitar-and-bass figure... one never knows... and working on a quiet = piece and=20 drawing the Gang of Four card? Interesting for sure.

Stephen, I = am no=20 idiot. But your comment has inspired me to add a card to the deck: What = would=20 Iggy Pop do?

Phil

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Stephen = Goodman <spgoodman@earthlight.net>= =20 wrote:
Heh, one thinks of the old joke card saying "How do = you keep=20 an idiot busy? (turn over card)", on both sides... :) =20 Sorry.

-----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen
Sent: = Friday,=20 November 04, 2011 5:13 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20

Subject: Re: What do YOU do when creativity dries=20 up?

Each one of them would chose to do "something = else"
...which=20 means all cards are the same.

p:-)




On Fri, = Nov 4,=20 2011 at 6:10 PM, Phil Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a set of index cards I maintain and turn to = when=20 things dry up...

Each card contains one entry;

What = would=20 Brian Wilson do?

What would Joni MItchell do?

What = would Glen=20 Campbell do?

What would Prince do?

What would Gang of = Four=20 do?

and so on.

I've never had to draw a second card... = and=20 there has never been a case
where the card and the current = project were=20 unable to find some point of
meaningful engagement... nor has the = result=20 ever been anywhere close to
detectable vis a vis the = inspirational source=20 taken from the card. And it's
very often shed new light on what = seems to=20 be an intractable situation :)

It's been a wonderful tool for = me...=20 highly recommended :)

Phil=20 :)


 
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Still no mention of feedback con= trol or the overdub/replace mode as found on the rc-50.
The RC-50 work a= round for feedback if not found will be missed on the rc-300.
I sure hop= e with the expession pedals they thought this out.

thing looks like it has a lot to offer=2C =3B =3Bincluding= midi =3B =3B
synchronization both as a master and a slave with = midi in thru and =3B =3B
out=2C usb =3B =3Bout and wav f= ile transfers=2C built in expression pedal and =3B =3B2 =3B&nbs= p=3B
expression pedal ports=2C 3 independent tracks=2C 16 onboard effect= s=2C =3B =3B
dedicated track faders =3B =3Ban XLR mic in= w/ phantom power=2C true stereo =3B =3B
operation=2C sub output= s and 3 hours of memory=2C hell you could use it to =3B =3B
reco= rd your jam band's 1st three numbers:-) lets hope the midi synch =3B&nb= sp=3B
is rock solid and not an afterthought like it was on the RC-50.>
= --_0a12cf52-7d2d-4f0a-abf7-88efdb80a098_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 02:03:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B57318345F; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 02:03:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=HH/5hbeiP6idPANnWFiqrEPP9AOh6BCAf0DxIpC1yQY=; b=ZetEsZpNnTK2a6l8+HYpJzX0aoce+AlK+ZLtP5c2BryZDF/yOh8n+Bhb/EROJVDvGu hZ2lZ7E+pmR7o8rJbPk0C8enJSbJ9pgyIdIZki4nE4W35DUDgScsNMT1nDY4uJkFX7HW yskJ+YzMJqVDjF2s/5HBManNwBMtB3Nfa2TVE= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: livelooping. Ambient. From: Matthias Grob In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 00:02:57 -0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5FEDA143-FC51-4DF1-AAD9-1A956AC9A3DC@gmail.com> References: <4EB3FFEB.9060900@tiscali.co.uk> <4EB40CA7.2090100@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 02:03:32 +0000 (UTC) maybe there is a livelooping technique which serves for all kinds of = styles and a livelooping music (style?) which came out of the consequent use of = the livelooping technique On 4 Nov 2011, at 14:34, william middlemiss wrote: > I would, if he does it live.=20 >=20 > On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 12:02 PM, andy butler = wrote: >=20 > The 12 bar blues is loopable, but you wouldn't want to call > it livelooping. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 03:38:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D90C183453; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 03:38:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=zg8wcpNQJZCshQhJRVk8auf/5O3QZsALJhKaPT5UyLc=; b=SiN8+Mplun3tH/KHktaiuYnOuyTQOe/7dWb9NQYBllmi6gaYgHTCtdOZ6WzOMxa9u0 Z38oS2TQ4leG8+i7DSkIk7v0d72UCryiUUYzPhIVziqcJOKG2X3Oya3dN9Dta/2XFyui nuIlu0TipNbMn1Wtoshwv2O1v/OjB/TE/cIIM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <18A0AF9B8EB34E7191D06CA3FB887ECD@ccs.local> References: <4E9AD950.6090501@tiscali.co.uk> <18A0AF9B8EB34E7191D06CA3FB887ECD@ccs.local> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 20:38:04 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What do YOU do when creativity dries up? From: Lindsey Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e8dbca6a53804b0f48c8c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 03:38:06 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e8dbca6a53804b0f48c8c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 May I add, "Now that I'm awake, what can I do about my dreams?" Lindsey On Oct 16, 2011 9:38 AM, "BC" wrote: > I'm sure this has been covered in the past before my time here. Perhaps > it's a good thing to take a fresh look at the phenomenon and coping > strategies from time to time. > > What do you do when the creative flow diminishes into a creative drip and > then seemingly dries up completely? You sit at your instrument to come up > with some new ideas and......nothing! > > You have a vague sense that your passion is just not there. You might even > feel "cludgy" and awkward at the instrument. Aside from letting time pass, > would anyone like to share their strategies for minimizing time spent in > the creative desert? > > Brian > --90e6ba6e8dbca6a53804b0f48c8c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

May I add, "Now that I'm awake, what can I do about my dreams?&= quot;

Lindsey

On Oct 16, 2011 9:38 AM, "BC" <compguy2@comcast.net> wrote:
I'm sure this has been covered in the past before my time here. Perhaps= it's a good thing to take a fresh look at the phenomenon and coping st= rategies from time to time.

What do you do when the creative flow diminishes into a creative drip and t= hen seemingly dries up completely? You sit at your instrument to come up wi= th some new ideas and......nothing!

You have a vague sense that your passion is just not there. You might even = feel "cludgy" and awkward at the instrument. Aside from letting t= ime pass, would anyone like to share their strategies for minimizing time s= pent in the creative desert?

Brian
--90e6ba6e8dbca6a53804b0f48c8c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 04:07:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D47518345D; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 04:07:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=nLrk0pn423IOiI8JV6iLwWGa8DWN4Nbx7wRzBiJ/c3pw9H8cYFCDKSLu6fuiWyAC; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <7679284.1320466037749.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 21:07:17 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What do YOU do when creativity dries up? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd4824005f633690aedb03087be62735e30d937de48b32926e61350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.48 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 04:07:18 +0000 (UTC) sorry to say i havent read every post about this seemed mystery-has anyone brought up 'the muse'? as a former painter i have rasseled w/ this forever and a day. Albert Brooks did a weird movie about this and my feeling is simply sometimes she visits for a long time-sometimes she is nowhere to be found. i never looked into 'writer's block' but i think that delves into the subject too. i just keep pluggin' away. can't find the painter/provocateur Francis Bacon's inspiring quote, but to paraphrase: "if life is so meaningless, why not be extraordinary" http://stanosaur.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Lindsey Walker Sent: Nov 4, 2011 8:38 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What do YOU do when creativity dries up? May I add, "Now that I'm awake, what can I do about my dreams?" Lindsey On Oct 16, 2011 9:38 AM, "BC" wrote: I'm sure this has been covered in the past before my time here. Perhaps it's a good thing to take a fresh look at the phenomenon and coping strategies from time to time. What do you do when the creative flow diminishes into a creative drip and then seemingly dries up completely? You sit at your instrument to come up with some new ideas and......nothing! You have a vague sense that your passion is just not there. You might even feel "cludgy" and awkward at the instrument. Aside from letting time pass, would anyone like to share their strategies for minimizing time spent in the creative desert? Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 04:40:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B767183460; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 04:40:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=KuorZJnGZQ8KHI3XAZr4e1gSN8nwXcwAj8Xt5wjd7AY=; b=T8sJzlFBPfSTquwSS29jiqsn1pV9nJO3bkQdIgiS3KMtv7fKJtfkkCTvV0oNuyG1ZJ /Q1RMF13aeOxr/auAFpe0LCSNWY00oXlOG51PL/rDf4DpXTNFrSQTJ7E4F8+uGMvwKc6 XvK6Pkk3pg3XYpcviN7k0qs9ls1k9yIvtfMZI= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: livelooping. Ambient. From: Matthias Grob In-Reply-To: <1b7c756b.237ded.1337055a4b3.Webtop.46@charter.net> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 02:39:56 -0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <1b7c756b.237ded.1337055a4b3.Webtop.46@charter.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 04:40:32 +0000 (UTC) does this discussion end here? I did not understand the conclusion are we allowed to say that our style is livelooping? I often hear: its not a style, just a technique I have no problem if you call your technique livelooping It may not be fair if someone builds a career on livelooping and never = mentions it but who gets hurt if someone calls his style livelooping? a word that means everything does not mean anything as soon as it does not mean everything, its exclusive, so all words are = exclusive.=20 a definition may bring this to surface, but its not the cause dont worry, enjoy Matthias= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 07:00:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E5AB18345E; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 07:00:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_c9615d6d-bf74-4938-b8ad-3c7458d34b83_" X-Originating-IP: [81.155.122.187] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Boss RC-300 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 07:00:11 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Nov 2011 07:00:11.0658 (UTC) FILETIME=[8FC176A0:01CC9B88] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 07:00:12 +0000 (UTC) --_c9615d6d-bf74-4938-b8ad-3c7458d34b83_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah=2C It looks fantastic - if only they'd thought to put feedback in.ther= e :-(I like my loops to slowly fade sometimes. Peace Gareth > From: billwalker@baymoon.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Boss RC-300 > Date: Fri=2C 4 Nov 2011 14:32:18 -0700 >=20 > Looking at the preliminary spec sheet for the Roland RC-300. this =20 > thing looks like it has a lot to offer=2C including midi =20 > synchronization both as a master and a slave with midi in thru and =20 > out=2C usb out and wav file transfers=2C built in expression pedal and = 2 =20 > expression pedal ports=2C 3 independent tracks=2C 16 onboard effects=2C = =20 > dedicated track faders an XLR mic in w/ phantom power=2C true stereo =20 > operation=2C sub outputs and 3 hours of memory=2C hell you could use it t= o =20 > record your jam band's 1st three numbers:-) lets hope the midi synch =20 > is rock solid and not an afterthought like it was on the RC-50. > Bill >=20 = --_c9615d6d-bf74-4938-b8ad-3c7458d34b83_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yeah=2C It looks fantastic - if only they'd thought to put feedback in.ther= e :-(
I like my loops to slowly fade sometimes.

Peace

Gareth

>=3B From: billwalker= @baymoon.com
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B Su= bject: Boss RC-300
>=3B Date: Fri=2C 4 Nov 2011 14:32:18 -0700
>= =3B
>=3B Looking at the preliminary spec sheet for the Roland RC-300= . this
>=3B thing looks like it has a lot to offer=2C including mid= i
>=3B synchronization both as a master and a slave with midi in thr= u and
>=3B out=2C usb out and wav file transfers=2C built in expres= sion pedal and 2
>=3B expression pedal ports=2C 3 independent track= s=2C 16 onboard effects=2C
>=3B dedicated track faders an XLR mic i= n w/ phantom power=2C true stereo
>=3B operation=2C sub outputs and = 3 hours of memory=2C hell you could use it to
>=3B record your jam b= and's 1st three numbers:-) lets hope the midi synch
>=3B is rock sol= id and not an afterthought like it was on the RC-50.
>=3B Bill
&g= t=3B
= --_c9615d6d-bf74-4938-b8ad-3c7458d34b83_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 08:19:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 854BE18345F; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 08:19:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EB4F170.50305@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 04:18:56 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Thought Radio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 08:19:01 +0000 (UTC) THOUGHT RADIO: http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio ======================================================================= My next stint on Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show, will be Saturday, November 5 at 6 am EDT/GMT-4. I will continue the special on Sequences Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs in Phase One. I host the show every other week. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 10:58:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F50918345C; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 10:58:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=YFTtmn1n+MwyRyTexN29L4Gi//HqqweE9KLfNF+e2SQ=; b=YrI5suGhPU0quTOK6vt8G44+mNJnRpZhgV/uP9eD9Uz5rVmWfnRmbudrQUJb/n6TpH v6N1RHd7JuEF9unHavTqi8UaywFsMDCDYaWT8KgfYdvdO4acDQZlQOyn4LAXHtOo8b72 +31DBmhfmLaZfMIwh5j6NdvAzse1u49zRvLH4= From: Matthias Grob Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-15-733551994 Subject: Re: Boss RC-300 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 08:57:31 -0200 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <5RJ36B.A.2TB.AbRtOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 10:58:08 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-15-733551994 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii its not as easy as you seem to think On 5 Nov 2011, at 05:00, Gareth Whittock wrote: > Yeah, It looks fantastic - if only they'd thought to put feedback = in.there :-( > I like my loops to slowly fade sometimes. >=20 > Peace >=20 > Gareth >=20 > > From: billwalker@baymoon.com > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Boss RC-300 > > Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 14:32:18 -0700 > >=20 > > Looking at the preliminary spec sheet for the Roland RC-300. this=20 > > thing looks like it has a lot to offer, including midi=20 > > synchronization both as a master and a slave with midi in thru and=20= > > out, usb out and wav file transfers, built in expression pedal and 2=20= > > expression pedal ports, 3 independent tracks, 16 onboard effects,=20 > > dedicated track faders an XLR mic in w/ phantom power, true stereo=20= > > operation, sub outputs and 3 hours of memory, hell you could use it = to=20 > > record your jam band's 1st three numbers:-) lets hope the midi synch=20= > > is rock solid and not an afterthought like it was on the RC-50. > > Bill > >=20 --Apple-Mail-15-733551994 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii its not as easy as you seem to = think

On 5 Nov 2011, at 05:00, Gareth Whittock = wrote:

Yeah, It looks fantastic - if only they'd thought to = put feedback in.there :-(
I like my loops to slowly fade = sometimes.

Peace

Gareth<= br>
> From: billwalker@baymoon.com
> = To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
> Subject: Boss RC-300
> Date: Fri, 4 Nov = 2011 14:32:18 -0700
> 
> Looking at the = preliminary spec sheet for the Roland RC-300. this 
> thing looks like = it has a lot to offer, including midi 
> synchronization = both as a master and a slave with midi in thru and 
> out, usb out and = wav file transfers, built in expression pedal and 2 
> expression pedal = ports, 3 independent tracks, 16 onboard effects, 
> dedicated track = faders an XLR mic in w/ phantom power, true stereo 
> operation, sub = outputs and 3 hours of memory, hell you could use it to 
> record your jam = band's 1st three numbers:-) lets hope the midi synch 
> is rock solid and = not an afterthought like it was on the RC-50.
> Bill
> 
<= /span>

= --Apple-Mail-15-733551994-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 12:03:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25F1218345E; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 12:03:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_cd9008bf-57cf-4ea7-b82a-9df025cd4d4d_" X-Originating-IP: [81.155.122.187] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Boss RC-300 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 12:03:52 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Nov 2011 12:03:52.0939 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC7C4BB0:01CC9BB2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 12:03:53 +0000 (UTC) --_cd9008bf-57cf-4ea7-b82a-9df025cd4d4d_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I didn't say it was easy=2C just that it's a shame they didn't put it in th= ere. G From: matilists@gmail.com Subject: Re: Boss RC-300 Date: Sat=2C 5 Nov 2011 08:57:31 -0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com its not as easy as you seem to think On 5 Nov 2011=2C at 05:00=2C Gareth Whittock wrote:Yeah=2C It looks fantast= ic - if only they'd thought to put feedback in.there :-(I like my loops to = slowly fade sometimes. Peace Gareth > From: billwalker@baymoon.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Boss RC-300 > Date: Fri=2C 4 Nov 2011 14:32:18 -0700 >=20 > Looking at the preliminary spec sheet for the Roland RC-300. this=20 > thing looks like it has a lot to offer=2C including midi=20 > synchronization both as a master and a slave with midi in thru and=20 > out=2C usb out and wav file transfers=2C built in expression pedal and 2= =20 > expression pedal ports=2C 3 independent tracks=2C 16 onboard effects=2C=20 > dedicated track faders an XLR mic in w/ phantom power=2C true stereo=20 > operation=2C sub outputs and 3 hours of memory=2C hell you could use it t= o=20 > record your jam band's 1st three numbers:-) lets hope the midi synch=20 > is rock solid and not an afterthought like it was on the RC-50. > Bill >=20 = --_cd9008bf-57cf-4ea7-b82a-9df025cd4d4d_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I didn't say it was easy=2C just that it's a shame they didn't put it in th= ere.

G

From: matilis= ts@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Boss RC-300
Date: Sat=2C 5 Nov 2011 08:57:3= 1 -0200
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

its not as easy as you seem to think

On 5 Nov 2011=2C at = 05:00=2C Gareth Whittock wrote:

Yeah=2C It looks fantastic - if only they'd thought to put feedbac= k in.there :-(
I like my loops to slowly fade sometimes.

=
Peace

Gareth

>=3B From: =3Bbillwalker@baymoon.com
>=3B To: =3BLoopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B Sub= ject: Boss RC-300
>=3B Date: Fri=2C 4 Nov 2011 14:32:18 -0700
>= =3B =3B
>=3B Looki= ng at the preliminary spec sheet for the Roland RC-300. this =3B
>=3B thing looks like it has= a lot to offer=2C including midi&= nbsp=3B
>=3B synchronization both as a master and a slave with = midi in thru and =3B>=3B out=2C usb out and wav file transfers=2C built in expression pedal = and 2 =3B
>=3B exp= ression pedal ports=2C 3 independent tracks=2C 16 onboard effects=2C =3B
>=3B dedicated track= faders an XLR mic in w/ phantom power=2C true stereo =3B
>=3B operation=2C sub outputs and 3= hours of memory=2C hell you could use it to =3B
>=3B record your jam band's 1st three number= s:-) lets hope the midi synch = =3B
>=3B is rock solid and not an afterthought like it was on t= he RC-50.
>=3B Bill
>=3B=  =3B

= --_cd9008bf-57cf-4ea7-b82a-9df025cd4d4d_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 12:11:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C667A183460; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 12:11:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=y1JhHWzWgBMtq3XjBDJfEVH53w3AAVvH6jYb88d5BwI=; b=c3T7D9M1qq4pNlSUmb82nq5z0D3T0x9pZp8pACnHd5K08Cq4j62z7+PHRq3oB9SuZ4 v74r3AM9j+gCxhvvtHePapVaQMmqCjzZG5gi3E9WnEdcdS0uyqBGgRmh/S/Mn0jfI2qh sXseUh8yYUunFU82yeZKNlQl8jz0z8QCFwhwY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 13:11:17 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Boss RC-300 From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 12:11:18 +0000 (UTC) Maybe one can set up a feedback workaround, just like some folks do with the RC-50? If my memory serves me correct you take out the aux signal, put a volume pedal into the signal path and plug it back merging to the input. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > I didn't say it was easy, just that it's a shame they didn't put it in > there. > G > > ________________________________ > From: matilists@gmail.com > Subject: Re: Boss RC-300 > Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 08:57:31 -0200 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > its not as easy as you seem to think > On 5 Nov 2011, at 05:00, Gareth Whittock wrote: > > Yeah, It looks fantastic - if only they'd thought to put feedback in.ther= e > :-( > I like my loops to slowly fade sometimes. > Peace > Gareth > >> From:=C2=A0billwalker@baymoon.com >> To:=C2=A0Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Boss RC-300 >> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 14:32:18 -0700 >> >> Looking at the preliminary spec sheet for the Roland RC-300. this >> thing looks like it has a lot to offer, including midi >> synchronization both as a master and a slave with midi in thru and >> out, usb out and wav file transfers, built in expression pedal and 2 >> expression pedal ports, 3 independent tracks, 16 onboard effects, >> dedicated track faders an XLR mic in w/ phantom power, true stereo >> operation, sub outputs and 3 hours of memory, hell you could use it to >> record your jam band's 1st three numbers:-) lets hope the midi synch >> is rock solid and not an afterthought like it was on the RC-50. >> Bill >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 12:19:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB56F18345E; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 12:19:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=saW5UlyAxCOdUaYyxB2LjxbnRyLpEy+jZ7anvekq63o=; b=pVFG/CZobPofWNLm58aXlCRSbzDbdRzDthSrQjPk2qvuwV63u4ZayOAa4gtcHE30Az IXcYatgSJ1iXrbPCX/sYBUNITI5Ixf6sr3LvE0p521QEW/Jqna0dubAWxJ1dIpQ5aXV8 Q+rXKHbJwwSAY94FbdWCZIKvZFLn6l/B4Rqhc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1b7c756b.237ded.1337055a4b3.Webtop.46@charter.net> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 13:19:49 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: livelooping. Ambient. From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 12:19:50 +0000 (UTC) I'm doing a lot of livefreezing these days. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 5:39 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: > does this discussion end here? > I did not understand the conclusion > > are we allowed to say that our style is livelooping? > > I often hear: its not a style, just a technique > I have no problem if you call your technique livelooping > It may not be fair if someone builds a career on livelooping and never mentions it > but who gets hurt if someone calls his style livelooping? > > a word that means everything does not mean anything > as soon as it does not mean everything, its exclusive, so all words are exclusive. > a definition may bring this to surface, but its not the cause > > dont worry, enjoy > Matthias > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 12:45:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B812C18345C; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 12:45:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 300 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sat, 05 Nov 2011 12:45:31 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_89f65b97-dcb6-4ddb-b8f9-b7a5618dcb4a_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: livelooping. Ambient. Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 12:40:25 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <3ed16f4a.2355f2.1336f737976.Webtop.46@charter.net>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Nov 2011 12:40:26.0134 (UTC) FILETIME=[17BB4B60:01CC9BB8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 12:45:32 +0000 (UTC) --_89f65b97-dcb6-4ddb-b8f9-b7a5618dcb4a_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Haven't had much time for music or discussions here fore quite a while and = I'm sure I have missed a lot of interesting discussion.. as Mattias points = out in a recent post a word needs to exlude some "stuff" or phenomena do ac= tually mean something. .. so LIVE LOOPING.. could mean all music producup l= ive with OR without prerecorded loops..To me a sensible limitation is that = looping can be a TECHNIQUE used to perform various types of music OR it cou= ld be a musical STYLE in this case the looper is more of both an instrument= (you play the looper as ypu would a keyboard or a guitar=2C or even play t= he looper WITH a keyboard) and usually (and for many more imprtant) a compo= sitional tool. IE the music would not be possible to perform without a loop= er and usually the looper is used in composing/improvising the piece of mus= ic. SO live looping in it's "purest" form is where a looper is used in a li= ve setting as an instrument and it is an integral part of the music perform= ed that could not be replaced with an other instrument.. If a looper is use= d in such a way that i COULD be replaced by=2C for example=2C other musicia= ns live looping is used as a technique. So live looping as a musical style = is where the piece of music is dependent on some sort of looping to exists.= . from Reily and Reich to Walker=2C Boysen and Lafosse (as examples) we hav= e music that i would call LOOPING music and in the case of Walker=2C LaFoss= e and Boysen it is often LIVE looping as well. Perhaps=2C as i think out lo= ad=2C it is smarter to talk about a difference also between live improvised= and composed music (music composed to be performed with some sort of loope= r then performed live) .. on the other hand it this is like all music a com= position might be performed with varying degrees of improvisation... This not saying that using a looper as a techique to perform an existing ge= nre of music is "better" or "worse" than playing Looping music. BUT to me t= here is a HUGE diffrence in hearing a blues band using loops for rhythm and= comp or a singer songwriter using looper instead of a second guitar player= or hearing music where the looping instrument is an integral part of the m= usic itself. There is also a difference between how for example Nels Cline = use loops as a instrument in Wilco songs and how Walker and Boysen built th= e music 100% around loops.. In one way it is the degree of importance the looper as instrument and comp= osition device that could be the interesting demarcation.. if the music cou= ld not exist with out looper it is looping music on all other cases it is m= usic where a looper is used either as an instrumet not intrinsic to the mus= ic being played or looping as a technique to perform as a one man band or r= eplace an instrument with a loop that could be can or added live.Sorry this= became rather long.....Maybe I'm repeating what andy already said.. Let's have another go....... Music in which the sounds are the result of an interaction between a musician and an instrument=2C while the form is uniquely the result of the interaction of a musician with a looping device. andy = --_89f65b97-dcb6-4ddb-b8f9-b7a5618dcb4a_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Haven't had muc= h time for music or discussions here fore quite a while and I'm sure I have= missed a lot of interesting discussion.. as Mattias points out in a recent= post a word needs to exlude some "stuff" or phenomena do actually mean som= ething. .. so =3B
LIVE LOOPING.. could mean all music producup live with OR withou= t prerecorded loops..
To me a sensible limitation is that looping can be a TECHNIQUE us= ed to perform various types of music OR it could be a musical STYLE in this= case the looper is more of both an instrument (you play the looper as ypu = would a keyboard or a guitar=2C or even play the looper WITH a keyboard) an= d usually (and for many more imprtant) a compositional tool. IE the music w= ould not be possible to perform without a looper and usually the looper is = used in composing/improvising the piece of music. SO live looping in it's "= purest" form is where a looper is used in a live setting as an instrument a= nd it is an integral part of the music performed that could not be replaced= with an other instrument.. =3B
If a looper is used in such a way that i COULD be = replaced by=2C for example=2C other musicians live looping is used as a tec= hnique. =3B
So live looping as a musical style is where the piece of music i= s dependent on some sort of looping to exists.. from Reily and Reich to Wal= ker=2C Boysen and Lafosse (as examples) we have music that i would call LOO= PING music and in the case of Walker=2C LaFosse and Boysen it is often LIVE= looping as well. Perhaps=2C as i think out load=2C it is smarter to talk a= bout a difference also between live =3Bimprovised =3Band composed m= usic (music composed to be performed with some sort of looper then =3Bp= erformed =3Blive) .. on the other hand it this is like all music a comp= osition might be =3Bperformed =3Bwith =3Bvarying =3Bdegrees= of =3Bimprovisation...

This not saying that using a looper as= a techique to perform an existing genre of music is "better" or "worse" th= an playing Looping music. BUT to me there is a HUGE diffrence in hearing a = blues band using loops for rhythm and comp or a singer songwriter using loo= per =3Binstead =3Bof a second guitar player or hearing music where = the looping instrument is an =3Bintegral =3Bpart of the music itsel= f. There is also a difference between how for example Nels Cline use loops = as a instrument in Wilco songs and how Walker and Boysen built the music 10= 0% around loops..

In one way it is the degree of importance the lo= oper as instrument and composition device that could be the interesting dem= arcation.. if the music could not exist with out looper it is looping music= on all other cases it is music where a looper is used either as an instrum= et not intrinsic to the music being played or looping as a technique to per= form as a one man band or replace an instrument with a loop that could be c= an or added live.
Sorry this became rather long.....
Maybe I'm repeatin= g what andy already said..


Let's have another go.......

Music in which the sounds are the result of an interaction
between a musician and an instrument=2C while the form is uniquely the
result of the interaction of a musician with a looping device.

andy

= --_89f65b97-dcb6-4ddb-b8f9-b7a5618dcb4a_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 13:02:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DED8D18345A; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 13:02:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Pdt9d1dd c=1 sm=0 a=41H9hbGm5/Mm6JsACR4voQ==:17 a=5UBfXvP3Od8A:10 a=814wW7zlgNfGN9GaeAYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=QxLVpH8Vw5b25KlhCDwA:9 a=cGvyvfnA_wEFTT_AosEA:7 a=41H9hbGm5/Mm6JsACR4voQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.68.147.198 From: Victor Eijkhout Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6-741056718 Subject: Re: rc-300 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 08:02:36 -0500 Message-Id: <5ADD2392-708F-49B5-9DB5-46F9B094106C@eijkhout.net> To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 13:02:37 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6-741056718 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > The RC-50 work around for feedback How does that go? Victor. --Apple-Mail-6-741056718 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
The RC-50 work around for feedback 

How does that go?

Victor.
--Apple-Mail-6-741056718-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 13:09:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C414318345F; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 13:09:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=tx6kEXtPyDdwYqW6YDc5eWVCD41jTmJsHaWOP3TTfg8=; b=rDqtShHrZ1HBIDTxMggP1iNeHXS3ZFR5zcWbGp4K8mqaOTPsKRm3igJ6lKfUsTDE6l AVkw9XLt0+dnuptVw0bOV3nH1/3e2Tu30fwWW2bErNkY1Mq9bkWmRLXCx1W7kB1j5AYN 3VTw21PAQFw11CJB/nOvNKvVksS+iYS3WdH5c= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5ADD2392-708F-49B5-9DB5-46F9B094106C@eijkhout.net> References: <5ADD2392-708F-49B5-9DB5-46F9B094106C@eijkhout.net> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 14:09:32 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: rc-300 From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 13:09:33 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Victor Eijkhout wrote: > The RC-50 work around for feedback You take out a signal (I think the aux channel), run it through a volume pedal and then merge it with the input. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 13:10:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7B0918345E; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 13:10:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=gBrvZ0v6qpaESV8jrXmS2M3p7HRnoF6SYVSKqPWqsvo=; b=tcW/tvDjBz4Bt5fhulSQxtjTxmYkcA95Ahx7/JvIC2BHkSRhXQXu9mzu4InYPBD3sC zlnCzds6ULoy8x7R6RRwJoSUmRQRwB1fyrzj+XXRyqDmaUBscYZJ8cHFsyU4rkVEEKKn wZxJpQwq2eUEOFW9cW58Uql5QLTTpMUSCCEbY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1b7c756b.237ded.1337055a4b3.Webtop.46@charter.net> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 09:10:47 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: livelooping. Ambient. From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340b0fd4a97004b0fc8c08 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 13:10:48 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340b0fd4a97004b0fc8c08 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Nobody gets physically injured for misusing a phrase. There can be confusion, and the result of that confusion can be reaching or missing an audience. I called a recent project I started 'art effete' because it was a tongue in cheek observation of the nature of art. I know that some have shied away because the name gives the impression that I feel art is useless and therefore my art is haphazardly strewn together when the opposite is the case. Many people, however, simply don't care. In artistic endeavours, it's wise to choose appropriate titles/ descriptions. Who gets hurt? The artist- even if he/she isn't aware. --14dae9340b0fd4a97004b0fc8c08 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Nobody gets physically injured for misusing a phrase.=A0 There can be co= nfusion, and the result of that confusion can be reaching or missing an aud= ience.=A0

I called a recent project I started 'art effete' because it was = a tongue in cheek observation of the nature of art. I know that some have s= hied away because the name gives the impression that I feel art is useless = and therefore my art is haphazardly strewn together when the opposite is th= e case. Many people, however,=A0 simply don't care.

In artistic endeavours, it's wise to choose appropriate titles/ desc= riptions. Who gets hurt? The artist- even if he/she isn't aware.

--14dae9340b0fd4a97004b0fc8c08-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 13:50:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F9DF18345F; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 13:50:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=wBS1bazeZdn5dSB2pE5m0xLGM62qm2/Cu98iiAClDu0=; b=MZuHTjIcx0EqkpQUsQ3SJ9wzELMM9rbZNtwaaz+cn/kn9n1eerliIgqfPbmXGhstBV w8H2UVTv92grZWthsubanx0UO5C2qEPsHhgW1BeeOqF3oumwtFpfu3CNgoZn0HJgykZP SZ/V9/qRsGQWgcv90VUSlhsCP6lJzp+sUyw6M= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1b7c756b.237ded.1337055a4b3.Webtop.46@charter.net> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 09:50:04 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: livelooping. Ambient. From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340b0f4bbaa804b0fd19f7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 13:50:05 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340b0f4bbaa804b0fd19f7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 "Nobody gets physically injured for misusing a phrase. There can be confusion, and the result of that confusion can be reaching..." Should read as: "Nobody gets physically injured for misusing a phrase. There can be confusion, and the result of that confusion can be reaching the wrong audience..." Sorry, I type quickly. On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 9:10 AM, william middlemiss < billymiddlemiss@gmail.com> wrote: > Nobody gets physically injured for misusing a phrase. There can be > confusion, and the result of that confusion can be reaching or missing an > audience. > > I called a recent project I started 'art effete' because it was a tongue > in cheek observation of the nature of art. I know that some have shied away > because the name gives the impression that I feel art is useless and > therefore my art is haphazardly strewn together when the opposite is the > case. Many people, however, simply don't care. > > In artistic endeavours, it's wise to choose appropriate titles/ > descriptions. Who gets hurt? The artist- even if he/she isn't aware. > --14dae9340b0f4bbaa804b0fd19f7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Nobody gets physically injured for misusing a phrase.=A0 There can be= confusion, and the result of that confusion can be reaching..." =A0Sh= ould read as: "Nobody gets physically injured for misusing a phrase.= =A0 There can be confusion, and the result of that confusion can be reachin= g the wrong audience..."

Sorry, I type quickly.=A0

= On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 9:10 AM, william middlemiss <billymiddlemiss@gmail.com>= ; wrote:

Nobody gets physically injured for misus= ing a phrase.=A0 There can be confusion, and the result of that confusion c= an be reaching or missing an audience.=A0

I called a recent project I started 'art effete' because it was = a tongue in cheek observation of the nature of art. I know that some have s= hied away because the name gives the impression that I feel art is useless = and therefore my art is haphazardly strewn together when the opposite is th= e case. Many people, however,=A0 simply don't care.

In artistic endeavours, it's wise to choose appropriate titles/ desc= riptions. Who gets hurt? The artist- even if he/she isn't aware.


--14dae9340b0f4bbaa804b0fd19f7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 14:36:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E57518345E; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 14:36:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_ec2f2fe3-c1ff-44a2-a5f9-6ec00ff4cf95_" X-Originating-IP: [75.106.117.247] From: joy_top top To: Subject: Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 07:36:41 -0700 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Nov 2011 14:36:42.0301 (UTC) FILETIME=[55D9E6D0:01CC9BC8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 14:36:43 +0000 (UTC) --_ec2f2fe3-c1ff-44a2-a5f9-6ec00ff4cf95_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A few settings are need in the unit=2C which if the RC-300 doesn't have it = isn't going to work. I love the feedback workaround on the rc-50 and does just what I want. =20 Settings for feedback: Go to USB/SYSTEM and set INPUT OUTS to MUTE=2C (this will prevent the bad t= ype of feedback)=2C I set them to MAINS only=2C since the feedback loop is = using the SUB OUTS. =20 Set to MULTI MODE Turn off LOOP SYNC (unless you want all loops the same length) I turn off GUIDE VOLUME myself=2C it really needs to only come out the MAIN= S Patch settings: FADE OUT/FADE OUT where you want them Phrase settings: TEMPO SYNC ON=2C I choose to turn on FADE IN and FADE OUT.= (first time might be better on IMMEDIATE) Unit needs to be in REPLACE mode rather than than OVERDUB=2C (I dont think = the RC-300 has this?) Connect the SUBOUTS to the AUX in with a stereo Y cord=2C and turn AUX volu= me NO higher than 9 to 10 Oclock. Going beyond this amount will make the l= oop louder which is nice for bringing it back=2C but with noise also. Somet= imes good sometimes bad. =20 Make a loop=2C play and press record again and instead of overdubing it wil= l replace at a lower volume so the sound will echo away. =20 You can also bounce these tracks from one loop to another=2C depending on i= f the PHRASEs are set to MAIN/SUBOUTS or MAIN. Also another resistor in the form of a stereo mixer fader or stereo volume = pedal can go in the feedback connections to make setting feedback amount ea= sier. =20 That is it in a nutshell=2C member BUZAP posted this with a title of "RC-50= LOOP DECAY: IT WORKS!!! (DELAY FEEDBACK) Thank you Buzap =20 =20 Capt =20 =20 =20 --Forwarded Message Attachment-- Date: Sat=2C 5 Nov 2011 13:11:17 +0100 From: perboysen@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC-300 Maybe one can set up a feedback workaround=2C just like some folks do with the RC-50? If my memory serves me correct you take out the aux signal=2C put a volume pedal into the signal path and plug it back merging to the input. =20 Greetings from Sweden =20 Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen =20 = --_ec2f2fe3-c1ff-44a2-a5f9-6ec00ff4cf95_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A few settings are need in the unit=2C which if the RC-300 doesn't have it = isn't going to work.
I love the feedback workaround on the rc-50 and does just what I want.
 =3B
Settings for feedback:
Go to USB/SYSTEM and set INPUT OUTS to MUTE=2C (this will prevent the bad t= ype of feedback)=2C I set them to MAINS only=2C since the feedback loop is = using the SUB OUTS.
 =3B
Set to MULTI MODE
Turn off LOOP SYNC (unless you want all loops the same length)
I turn off GUIDE VOLUME myself=2C it really needs to only come out the MAIN= S
Patch settings: FADE OUT/FADE OUT where you want them
Phrase settings: TEMPO SYNC ON=2C I choose to turn on FADE IN and FADE OUT.= (first time might be better on IMMEDIATE)
Unit needs to be in REPLACE mode rather than than OVERDUB=2C (I dont think = the RC-300 has this?)
Connect the SUBOUTS to the AUX in with a stereo Y cord=2C and turn AUX volu= me NO higher than 9 to 10 Oclock. =3B Going beyond this amount will mak= e the loop louder which is nice for bringing it back=2C but with noise also= . Sometimes good sometimes bad.
 =3B
Make a loop=2C play and press record again and instead of overdubing it wil= l replace at a lower volume so the sound will echo away.
 =3B
You can also bounce these tracks from one loop to another=2C depending on i= f the PHRASEs are set to MAIN/SUBOUTS or MAIN.
Also another resistor in the form of a stereo mixer fader or stereo volume = pedal can go in the feedback connections to make setting feedback amount ea= sier.
 =3B
That is it in a nutshell=2C member BUZAP posted this with a title of "RC-50= LOOP DECAY: IT WORKS!!! (DELAY FEEDBACK)
Thank you Buzap
 =3B
 =3B
Capt
 =3B
 =3B
 =3B
--Forwarded Message Attachment--
Date: Sat=2C 5 Nov 2011 13:11:17 +0100<= BR>From: perboysen@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
= Subject: Re: Boss RC-300


Maybe one can set up a feedback wo=
rkaround=2C just like some folks do
with the RC-50? If my memory serves =
me correct you take out the aux
signal=2C put a volume pedal into the si=
gnal path and plug it back
merging to the input.
 
Greetings from =
Sweden
 
Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtub=
e.com/perboysen
= --_ec2f2fe3-c1ff-44a2-a5f9-6ec00ff4cf95_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 15:01:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1B03183460; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 15:01:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ItSgKUvEgpuArvFeGcEX9ho8h0+4pTt73K5WgrMP114= c=1 sm=0 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=A2bGdCcTAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=69EAbJreAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=dMZfGW12AAAA:8 a=5jTOU05gi0afnWQ60MIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=EfJqPEOeqlMA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=Mzg0SWNdFNSU3OkYtPQA:9 a=nQdfTPiShBCZqdIP7FQA:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=PCIXu9QagVMsmNBKxBkQ4Q==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Re: References: From: chaz worm Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-333273E0-220E-4843-B855-8C6C5068CB9B X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A334) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 11:01:09 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 15:01:11 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-333273E0-220E-4843-B855-8C6C5068CB9B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm glad I don't need the feedback work around. Wow. I knew I was just scrat= ching the surface with my Rc50 but I had no idea. Lol Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo Earth, Worm, &, Fire and Electric Light Opry http://chazworm.com http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm On Nov 5, 2011, at 10:36 AM, joy_top top wrote: > A few settings are need in the unit, which if the RC-300 doesn't have it i= sn't going to work. > I love the feedback workaround on the rc-50 and does just what I want. > =20 > Settings for feedback: > Go to USB/SYSTEM and set INPUT OUTS to MUTE, (this will prevent the bad ty= pe of feedback), I set them to MAINS only, since the feedback loop is using t= he SUB OUTS. > =20 > Set to MULTI MODE > Turn off LOOP SYNC (unless you want all loops the same length) > I turn off GUIDE VOLUME myself, it really needs to only come out the MAINS= > Patch settings: FADE OUT/FADE OUT where you want them > Phrase settings: TEMPO SYNC ON, I choose to turn on FADE IN and FADE OUT.(= first time might be better on IMMEDIATE) > Unit needs to be in REPLACE mode rather than than OVERDUB, (I dont think t= he RC-300 has this?) > Connect the SUBOUTS to the AUX in with a stereo Y cord, and turn AUX volum= e NO higher than 9 to 10 Oclock. Going beyond this amount will make the loo= p louder which is nice for bringing it back, but with noise also. Sometimes g= ood sometimes bad. > =20 > Make a loop, play and press record again and instead of overdubing it will= replace at a lower volume so the sound will echo away. > =20 > You can also bounce these tracks from one loop to another, depending on if= the PHRASEs are set to MAIN/SUBOUTS or MAIN. > Also another resistor in the form of a stereo mixer fader or stereo volume= pedal can go in the feedback connections to make setting feedback amount ea= sier. > =20 > That is it in a nutshell, member BUZAP posted this with a title of "RC-50 L= OOP DECAY: IT WORKS!!! (DELAY FEEDBACK) > Thank you Buzap > =20 > =20 > Capt > =20 > =20 > =20 > --Forwarded Message Attachment-- > Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 13:11:17 +0100 > From: perboysen@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Boss RC-300 >=20 >=20 > Maybe one can set up a feedback workaround, just like some folks do > with the RC-50? If my memory serves me correct you take out the aux > signal, put a volume pedal into the signal path and plug it back > merging to the input. > =20 > Greetings from Sweden > =20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > =20 --Apple-Mail-333273E0-220E-4843-B855-8C6C5068CB9B Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
I'm glad I don't need the feedback work around. Wow. I knew I was just scratching the surface with my Rc50 but I had no idea. Lol

Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo
Earth, Worm, &, Fire and
Electric Light Opry

On Nov 5, 2011, at 10:36 AM, joy_top top <joy_top@hotmail.com> wrote:

A few settings are need in the unit, which if the RC-300 doesn't have it isn't going to work.
I love the feedback workaround on the rc-50 and does just what I want.
 
Settings for feedback:
Go to USB/SYSTEM and set INPUT OUTS to MUTE, (this will prevent the bad type of feedback), I set them to MAINS only, since the feedback loop is using the SUB OUTS.
 
Set to MULTI MODE
Turn off LOOP SYNC (unless you want all loops the same length)
I turn off GUIDE VOLUME myself, it really needs to only come out the MAINS
Patch settings: FADE OUT/FADE OUT where you want them
Phrase settings: TEMPO SYNC ON, I choose to turn on FADE IN and FADE OUT.(first time might be better on IMMEDIATE)
Unit needs to be in REPLACE mode rather than than OVERDUB, (I dont think the RC-300 has this?)
Connect the SUBOUTS to the AUX in with a stereo Y cord, and turn AUX volume NO higher than 9 to 10 Oclock.  Going beyond this amount will make the loop louder which is nice for bringing it back, but with noise also. Sometimes good sometimes bad.
 
Make a loop, play and press record again and instead of overdubing it will replace at a lower volume so the sound will echo away.
 
You can also bounce these tracks from one loop to another, depending on if the PHRASEs are set to MAIN/SUBOUTS or MAIN.
Also another resistor in the form of a stereo mixer fader or stereo volume pedal can go in the feedback connections to make setting feedback amount easier.
 
That is it in a nutshell, member BUZAP posted this with a title of "RC-50 LOOP DECAY: IT WORKS!!! (DELAY FEEDBACK)
Thank you Buzap
 
 
Capt
 
 
 
--Forwarded Message Attachment--
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 13:11:17 +0100
From: perboysen@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Boss RC-300


Maybe one can set up a feedback workaround, just like some folks do
with the RC-50? If my memory serves me correct you take out the aux
signal, put a volume pedal into the signal path and plug it back
merging to the input.
 
Greetings from Sweden
 
Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
--Apple-Mail-333273E0-220E-4843-B855-8C6C5068CB9B-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 15:01:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 298A0183461; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 15:01:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_8a12bfb8-f009-4592-ad1c-7a930f9bba5d_" X-Originating-IP: [75.106.117.247] From: joy_top top To: Subject: RC-50 feedback workaround Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 08:01:33 -0700 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Nov 2011 15:01:34.0620 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF57B5C0:01CC9BCB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 15:01:35 +0000 (UTC) --_8a12bfb8-f009-4592-ad1c-7a930f9bba5d_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From the Archives the Feedback workaround for the RC-50=2C thanks Buzap I use a stereo volume pedal or you can just use the aux volume for control. =20 Capt =20 =20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 From: "Buzap Buzap" =20 Subject: RC-50 LOOP DECAY: IT WORKS!!! (DELAY FEEDBACK)=20 Date: Tue=2C 18 Jul 2006 12:09:11 +0200=20 Hi folks ok=2C I think this news should make it to the cover page of "Looper's=20 Delight Weekly Magazine" =3B-) I was just about to write a mail on all the things I hate about the=20 RC-50... then I decided to focus on what works instead... and look what I=20 have discovered :-) Last night=2C I was jamming with the RC-50 for 2=2C5 hours. Then=2C just be= fore=20 I went to bed=2C I had an idea... so I checked again and found out: THE RC-50 IS CAPABLE OF PERFORMING LOOP DECAY (DELAY FEEDBACK)!!! So=2C it is really a dream come true. Just when you gave up on a lot of=20 features (tempo shift...) - there you have it: an affordable looper around= =20 500 bucks with three independent=2C great-sounding stereo loops - and=20 capable of loop decay! You don't believe me? Listen to it yourself=2C I put a=20 DEMO EXAMPLE ON LD (Audio Looping Examples) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/index.php?direction=3D&order=3D&direct= ory=3DAudio_-_Looping_Examples&=3B I've tried to make it "ambient-friendly" for you guys! =3B-) So=2C let's walk through the demo first... EXAMPLE WALK-THROUGH (RC-50 Loop Decay Example) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D - What you hear first is a "static" loop (RC-50 terminology: "phrase") in=20 PLAYBACK mode=2C without any loop decay. - Soon you hear a second loop that is featuring loop decay. - After a while=2C the first loop fades out and fades in again. - The second loop now is playing back without loop decay. - Finally=2C a third loop comes in with loop decay. This is all done with only a keyboard=2C a mixer and the RC-50 - and nothin= g=20 else!! :-) So=2C now you wonder how it is done? Ok... THE "MAGIC" BEHIND LOOP DECAY ON RC-50 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D So=2C what's the "magic" behind the loop decay? Before the RC-50 came out=2C people were speculating that FADE OUT might be= =20 useable for this. Then it turned out that FADE OUT just worked on LOOP=20 STOP=2C so it was useless for a cyclic feedback. Thus=2C many people turned= =20 away from the RC-50... A wonderful feature on the RC-50 is the OVERDUB MODE called REPLACE.=20 Usually=2C the OVERDUB MODE is set to OVERDUB. Using the OVERDUB MODE=20 button=2C you can toggle between OVERDUB/REPLACE/PUNCH-IN.=20 REPLACE basically is an "overwrite" mode=2C so it really replaces the old=20 loop. However=2C while overwriting=2C it also plays back the old loop at th= e=20 same time! (I know something like that is possible also with the EDP.=20 Since I'm not so familiar with the terminology=2C I'd rather not quote=20 anything). So=2C in order to achieve loop decay=2C we put the RC-50 in REPLACE mode.=20 Then=2C we not only record the new loop but also mix some of the old loop t= o=20 it. The amount of the old loop you re-record along with the new loop=20 determines the feedback level. Here=2C it also comes handy that there are additional SUB OUTs besides the= =20 MAIN OUTs on the RC-50. To avoid feedback (not "delay" feedback but the=20 one that makes your speakers explode =3B-) you also need to make sure that= =20 the INPUTs sound is not routed back to the feedback chain. So=2C let's see how this works exactly... SETTING UP THE RC-50 FOR LOOP DECAY =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D So=2C I'm assuming that you bring basic familiarity with gear=2C common sen= se=20 and full responsibility for what you are doing... =3B-) First of all=2C what do you need? You need: the RC-50=2C your instrument=2C= a=20 mixer and a bunch of cables. You ROUTE CABLES like this: - your instrument > mixer - RC-50 SUB OUTs > mixer - mixer out (or mixer sub-group-send/aux-sends) > RC-50 INPUT=20 - (monitor your sound output according to your setup) Before you mess up anything=2C let's MUTE the INPUT OUTS (yes=2C that's how= =20 they are called in the manual: "input output"=2C nice =3B-) On the RC-50=2C use the USB/SYSTEM button to set the INPUT OUTs. Since I wa= s=20 paranoid=2C I've set it all to MUTE. The idea is simply to avoid a feedback= =20 chain that is getting louder and LOUDER and LOOUUUDEER and=20 LOOOUUUDDDEEERR... If you use the SUB OUTs for the feedback chain=2C I guess setting INPUT OUT= s=20 to MAIN (instead of MAIN+SUB) should be ok. Try all this at your own risk!! Ok=2C let's now PREPARE RC-50 PATCH SETTIINGS for a nice example: - Go to an empty PATCH (patch=3Da set of three phrases / phrases=3Dloops) - Set it to MULTI MODE - Turn off LOOP SYNC (unless you want all three phrases the same length...) - Turn the GUIDE VOLUME up and down again until it's really OFF - Perform the following PATCH SETTINGS: - set FADE IN time (as desired=2C i.e. 30) - set FADE OUT time (as desired=2C i.e. 100) - Perform the following PHRASE SETTINGS for each PHRASE1/2/3: - Set TEMPO SYNC ON (don't worry=2C just don't touch "tap tempo"!) - Set PHRASE START to FADE IN (on first try=2C leave on IMMEDIATE or LOO= P) - Set PHRASE END to FADE OUT (on first try=2C leave on IMMEDIATE or LOOP= ) Now=2C press the OVERDUB MODE button until the red light for REPLACE appear= s. OK=2C RECORD your first PHRASE and go to OVERDUB. You should now be in=20 REPLACE mode. Stay in REPLACE mode... you should experience your first loop decay with=20 the RC-50 :-)) To ADJUST FEEDBACK LEVEL of the loop decay=2C play around & trim the gain=20 level on the mixer for the RC-50 SUB OUTs. When the fader is set to=20 "100%"=2C the delay feedback should be 100% (no decay). Now the fader should control the feedback level properly. You can also go to PLAYBACK with your PHRASE when your satisfied (or bored= =20 =3B-) with your loop decay. Then you might move to the next PHRASE. Also note that=2C depending on how you route your PHRASES to MAIN/SUB OUTs= =2C=20 the REPLACE (+feedback mix) will also record the other phrases. This might affect the overall volume mix. A nice side effect: you can use this feature also to do BOUNCE ALL TRACKS=20 (Phrase1-3+Input) to a PHRASE. In fact=2C the possibilities are endless: you could RESAMPLE your loop=2C=20 routing it through some additional effects... OVERALL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Yes=2C overall=2C there are still some really HORRIBLE bugs/features/lack=20 thereof (barbling tempo shift=2C switching patches seems to have "hiccups"= =2C=20 midi features could be better...). Nevertheless=2C I think this example demonstrates that the RC-50 has quite = a=20 bit of depth that still remains to be explored. OK=2C folks=2C now go out and get yourself an RC-50 - with loop decay :-)) Best regards Buzap PS: @Kim Flint/others: If it is useful to others=2C I would like to put thi= s=20 tutorial + my first review to LD web page. How should I proceed - can=20 Kim/someone help? = --_8a12bfb8-f009-4592-ad1c-7a930f9bba5d_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
From the Archives the Feedback workaround for the RC-50=2C thanks B= uzap
I use a stereo volume pedal or you can just use the aux volume for = control.
 =3B
Capt
 =3B
 =3B
Hi folks

ok=2C I think this news should make it to the cover page of "Looper's=20
Delight Weekly Magazine" =3B-)

I was just about to write a mail on all the things I hate about the=20
RC-50... then I decided to focus on what works instead... and look what I=20
have discovered :-)
Last night=2C I was jamming with the RC-50 for 2=2C5 hours. Then=2C just be=
fore=20
I went to bed=2C I had an idea... so I checked again and found out:

THE RC-50 IS CAPABLE OF PERFORMING LOOP DECAY (DELAY FEEDBACK)!!!

So=2C it is really a dream come true. Just when you gave up on a lot of=20
features (tempo shift...) - there you have it: an affordable looper around=
=20
500 bucks with three independent=2C great-sounding stereo loops - and=20
capable of loop decay!

You don't believe me? Listen to it yourself=2C I put a=20

DEMO EXAMPLE ON LD (Audio Looping Examples)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
http://www.l=
oopers-delight.com/files/index.php?direction=3D&=3Border=3D&=3Bdirect=
ory=3DAudio_-_Looping_Examples&=3B=3B
I've tried to make it "ambient-friendly" for you guys! =3B-)

So=2C let's walk through the demo first...

EXAMPLE WALK-THROUGH (RC-50 Loop Decay Example)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
- What you hear first is a "static" loop (RC-50 terminology: "phrase") in=20
PLAYBACK mode=2C without any loop decay.
- Soon you hear a second loop that is featuring loop decay.
- After a while=2C the first loop fades out and fades in again.
- The second loop now is playing back without loop decay.
- Finally=2C a third loop comes in with loop decay.

This is all done with only a keyboard=2C a mixer and the RC-50 - and nothin=
g=20
else!! :-)

So=2C now you wonder how it is done? Ok...

THE "MAGIC" BEHIND LOOP DECAY ON RC-50
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
So=2C what's the "magic" behind the loop decay?
Before the RC-50 came out=2C people were speculating that FADE OUT might be=
=20
useable for this. Then it turned out that FADE OUT just worked on LOOP=20
STOP=2C so it was useless for a cyclic feedback. Thus=2C many people turned=
=20
away from the RC-50...

A wonderful feature on the RC-50 is the OVERDUB MODE called REPLACE.=20
Usually=2C the OVERDUB MODE is set to OVERDUB. Using the OVERDUB MODE=20
button=2C you can toggle between OVERDUB/REPLACE/PUNCH-IN.=20
REPLACE basically is an "overwrite" mode=2C so it really replaces the old=20
loop. However=2C while overwriting=2C it also plays back the old loop at th=
e=20
same time! (I know something like that is possible also with the EDP.=20
Since I'm not so familiar with the terminology=2C I'd rather not quote=20
anything).

So=2C in order to achieve loop decay=2C we put the RC-50 in REPLACE mode.=20
Then=2C we not only record the new loop but also mix some of the old loop t=
o=20
it. The amount of the old loop you re-record along with the new loop=20
determines the feedback level.
Here=2C it also comes handy that there are additional SUB OUTs besides the=
=20
MAIN OUTs on the RC-50. To avoid feedback (not "delay" feedback but the=20
one that makes your speakers explode =3B-) you also need to make sure that=
=20
the INPUTs sound is not routed back to the feedback chain.

So=2C let's see how this works exactly...

SETTING UP THE RC-50 FOR LOOP DECAY
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
So=2C I'm assuming that you bring basic familiarity with gear=2C common sen=
se=20
and  full responsibility for what you are doing... =3B-)

First of all=2C what do you need? You need: the RC-50=2C your instrument=2C=
 a=20
mixer and a bunch of cables.

You ROUTE CABLES like this:
- your instrument >=3B mixer
- RC-50 SUB OUTs >=3B mixer
- mixer out (or mixer sub-group-send/aux-sends) >=3B RC-50 INPUT=20
- (monitor your sound output according to your setup)

Before you mess up anything=2C let's MUTE the INPUT OUTS (yes=2C that's how=
=20
they are called in the manual: "input output"=2C nice =3B-)
On the RC-50=2C use the USB/SYSTEM button to set the INPUT OUTs. Since I wa=
s=20
paranoid=2C I've set it all to MUTE. The idea is simply to avoid a feedback=
=20
chain that is getting louder and LOUDER and LOOUUUDEER and=20
LOOOUUUDDDEEERR...
If you use the SUB OUTs for the feedback chain=2C I guess setting INPUT OUT=
s=20
to MAIN (instead of MAIN+SUB) should be ok. Try all this at your own risk!!

Ok=2C let's now PREPARE RC-50 PATCH SETTIINGS for a nice example:
- Go to an empty PATCH (patch=3Da set of three phrases / phrases=3Dloops)
- Set it to MULTI MODE
- Turn off LOOP SYNC (unless you want all three phrases the same length...)
- Turn the GUIDE VOLUME up and down again until it's really OFF
- Perform the following PATCH SETTINGS:
   - set FADE IN time (as desired=2C i.e. 30)
   - set FADE OUT time (as desired=2C i.e. 100)
- Perform the following PHRASE SETTINGS for each PHRASE1/2/3:
   - Set TEMPO SYNC ON (don't worry=2C just don't touch "tap tempo"!)
   - Set PHRASE START to FADE IN (on first try=2C leave on IMMEDIATE or LOO=
P)
   - Set PHRASE END to FADE OUT (on first try=2C leave on IMMEDIATE or LOOP=
)

Now=2C press the OVERDUB MODE button until the red light for REPLACE appear=
s.

OK=2C RECORD your first PHRASE and go to OVERDUB. You should now be in=20
REPLACE mode.
Stay in REPLACE mode... you should experience your first loop decay with=20
the RC-50 :-))

To ADJUST FEEDBACK LEVEL of the loop decay=2C play around &=3B trim the =
gain=20
level on the mixer for the RC-50 SUB OUTs. When the fader is set to=20
"100%"=2C the delay feedback should be 100% (no decay).
Now the fader should control the feedback level properly.

You can also go to PLAYBACK with your PHRASE when your satisfied (or bored=
=20
=3B-) with your loop decay. Then you might move to the next PHRASE.

Also note that=2C depending on how you route your PHRASES to MAIN/SUB OUTs=
=2C=20
the REPLACE (+feedback mix) will also record the other phrases.
This might affect the overall volume mix.

A nice side effect: you can use this feature also to do BOUNCE ALL TRACKS=20
(Phrase1-3+Input) to a PHRASE.
In fact=2C the possibilities are endless: you could RESAMPLE your loop=2C=20
routing it through some additional effects...

OVERALL
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Yes=2C overall=2C there are still some really HORRIBLE bugs/features/lack=20
thereof (barbling tempo shift=2C switching patches seems to have "hiccups"=
=2C=20
midi features could be better...).
Nevertheless=2C I think this example demonstrates that the RC-50 has quite =
a=20
bit of depth that still remains to be explored.

OK=2C folks=2C now go out and get yourself an RC-50 - with loop decay :-))

Best regards

Buzap

PS: @Kim Flint/others: If it is useful to others=2C I would like to put thi=
s=20
tutorial + my first review to LD web page. How should I proceed - can=20
Kim/someone help?
= --_8a12bfb8-f009-4592-ad1c-7a930f9bba5d_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 15:25:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD8D7183462; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 15:25:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Boss RC-300 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 08:25:30 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 15:25:35 +0000 (UTC) Yes its a shame a manufacturer such as boss doesn't understand the importance of a feature like variable feedback, but there are work arounds, Mando man is a master of the slow manual volume fade out, even though it does divert his attention from other things as he is working his volume pedal. I think though that if the synch works well it will be a step in the right direction for those who want to group loop. its funny, everytime I see the roland rep he encourages me to participate in the ongoing Boss loop contests, as he has seen me play and do clinics. I can't seem to get it through his head that all I really want to do is be on the beta test team and be in a position to give them feedback about what they need to add to make their product more versatile and more sophisticated. As I've said before I believe Roland has a very insular design team and yet they were listening enough to try and iron out the midi synch issues, or at least, lets hope they have :-) Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 18:02:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9514418345D; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 18:02:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_5b1c2212-02e1-4718-89a2-a72926e004c4_" X-Originating-IP: [81.155.122.187] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Boss RC-300 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 18:02:33 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Nov 2011 18:02:34.0536 (UTC) FILETIME=[185B6280:01CC9BE5] Resent-Message-ID: <4WrVsC.A.yO.7oXtOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 18:02:35 +0000 (UTC) --_5b1c2212-02e1-4718-89a2-a72926e004c4_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah I agree Bill=2C Roland are doing some amazing things yet not quite get= ting "it" in some ways. I'll vote for you on the beta team next time they a= sk! Line6 have some midi sync issues too - how hard can it be FFS?? (don't = tell me Matthias =3B-) G ps mando man rocks! > From: billwalker@baymoon.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Boss RC-300 > Date: Sat=2C 5 Nov 2011 08:25:30 -0700 >=20 > Yes its a shame a manufacturer such as boss doesn't understand the =20 > importance of a feature like variable feedback=2C but there are work =20 > arounds=2C Mando man is a master of the slow manual volume fade out=2C =20 > even though it does divert his attention from other things as he is =20 > working his volume pedal. I think though that if the synch works well =20 > it will be a step in the right direction for those who want to group =20 > loop. its funny=2C everytime I see the roland rep he encourages me to =20 > participate in the ongoing Boss loop contests=2C as he has seen me play = =20 > and do clinics. I can't seem to get it through his head that all I =20 > really want to do is be on the beta test team and be in a position to =20 > give them feedback about what they need to add to make their product =20 > more versatile and more sophisticated. As I've said before I believe =20 > Roland has a very insular design team and yet they were listening =20 > enough to try and iron out the midi synch issues=2C or at least=2C lets = =20 > hope they have :-) > Bill >=20 = --_5b1c2212-02e1-4718-89a2-a72926e004c4_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yeah I agree Bill=2C =3B
Roland are doing some amazing things yet n= ot quite getting "it" in some ways. =3B
I'll vote for you on the be= ta team next time they ask! =3B
Line6 have some midi sync iss= ues too - how hard can it be FFS?? (don't tell me Matthias =3B-)
=

G

ps mando man rocks!
<= br>
>=3B From: billwalker@baymoon.com
>=3B To: Loopers-Delig= ht@loopers-delight.com
>=3B Subject: Re: Boss RC-300
>=3B Date: S= at=2C 5 Nov 2011 08:25:30 -0700
>=3B
>=3B Yes its a shame a manu= facturer such as boss doesn't understand the
>=3B importance of a fe= ature like variable feedback=2C but there are work
>=3B arounds=2C = Mando man is a master of the slow manual volume fade out=2C
>=3B eve= n though it does divert his attention from other things as he is
>= =3B working his volume pedal. I think though that if the synch works well =
>=3B it will be a step in the right direction for those who want to g= roup
>=3B loop. its funny=2C everytime I see the roland rep he encou= rages me to
>=3B participate in the ongoing Boss loop contests=2C as= he has seen me play
>=3B and do clinics. I can't seem to get it thr= ough his head that all I
>=3B really want to do is be on the beta te= st team and be in a position to
>=3B give them feedback about what t= hey need to add to make their product
>=3B more versatile and more s= ophisticated. As I've said before I believe
>=3B Roland has a very i= nsular design team and yet they were listening
>=3B enough to try an= d iron out the midi synch issues=2C or at least=2C lets
>=3B hope = they have :-)
>=3B Bill
>=3B
=
= --_5b1c2212-02e1-4718-89a2-a72926e004c4_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 18:11:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C6DF183460; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 18:11:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: livelooping. Ambient. From: Mark Hamburg In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 11:11:38 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <1b7c756b.237ded.1337055a4b3.Webtop.46@charter.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 18:11:41 +0000 (UTC) I stepped into this mess several years ago and wisdom would probably = teach me not to do so again, but here goes... I see the term "livelooping" as potentially being about branding and = existing for the benefit of the audience and in term for the performer. = =46rom a standpoint like this, "livelooping" sets some level of = expectations and allows potential audience members to decide whether or = not they like "livelooping" in the same way they might decide whether = they like death metal, country, or polka bands. That's not to say that = livelooping exclusive of those styles anymore than to say one couldn't = have a death metal polka band, but to say that there is a commonality in = the music that one can react to either favorably or unfavorably. This = then works to the benefit of lesser known performers because they can = say "you don't know me, but you like livelooping and I'm a livelooper." This use of the term, however, raises some interesting issues and = questions: * It by nature excludes some people who use looping devices but who make = music that an audience would not identify with what the term = "livelooping" has come to mean to them. * It opens a question about how to deal with performers who play music = that sounds like it fits with the livelooping aesthetic, but who don't = actually use loopers. The other choice is to define the category as consisting of anyone who = uses a looper in a live context. That works, but it's then perhaps no = more meaningful from a broader audience standpoint than it would be to = have an event billed as being "musicians using compression pedals". So, the intended meaning of the term depends on the goals in using the = term. Mark P.S. We noticed at Y2KX (I think) that the posters said nothing about = "music". Did that have an effect on being able to pull in a broader = audience? I don't know.= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 18:14:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E748E18345F; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 18:14:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: livelooping. Ambient. From: Mark Hamburg In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 11:14:30 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7B167843-C574-4D13-8125-CC01A67C2776@grubmah.com> References: <1b7c756b.237ded.1337055a4b3.Webtop.46@charter.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 18:14:32 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 5, 2011, at 11:11 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > * It opens a question about how to deal with performers who play music = that sounds like it fits with the livelooping aesthetic, but who don't = actually use loopers. If someone plays a synthesizer into a loop pedal it qualifies as looped = music but what if instead they manipulate knobs on an old style = sequencer to change the note sequence? Is the audience experience = fundamentally different? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 18:21:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E25EA18345D; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 18:21:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=orScLpGMsysmuxB6dF5+L7ZQwtcBx0hBuAwmD6MlLpo=; b=CdiKmmmb9F9F6PEC1o7R4y42chfecwAaNQ4hpOlPMo2iwQ2lv/HPqFnYDOq6D71PtX bYAJ/lKJPwc8/nwXiO8HROZEA0Z8+kYrKq1iOCK+W2pGq2UbcSyDrgPcSZLuYpPWnjIO +y8AB6ydQ0WLrfYrE3P5+ccwTKobBmvXYfLtU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7B167843-C574-4D13-8125-CC01A67C2776@grubmah.com> References: <1b7c756b.237ded.1337055a4b3.Webtop.46@charter.net> <7B167843-C574-4D13-8125-CC01A67C2776@grubmah.com> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 14:21:56 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: livelooping. Ambient. From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340def8f641c04b100e54a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 18:21:57 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340def8f641c04b100e54a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 from the Harper Collins dictionary of music: *"Live Electronic Music- Music played and/or created on electronic equipment during a performance....an important element in live electronic music is improvisation... "* --14dae9340def8f641c04b100e54a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 from the Harper Collins dictionary of music:

"Live Electronic Music- Music played and/or created on electronic equipment during a performance....an important element in live electronic music is improvisation... "


--14dae9340def8f641c04b100e54a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 18:23:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04A9318345E; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 18:23:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Kiy7xxuLHjZWpnRiEUGk1/JBMwfVlupxWzlgND2fXqA=; b=qDVZb2upDgtADv4KM4OHWufM6OrdtDfESWZ6UJsI8fCKV89tRfLK4xammFGGaJKHfG j99hkixnJirikjzn36brsrkwJVExkANguYlc8Bm78JSyjVNwOo7TvhlCURCTO6+AF1YV RzqG4NJ0cOFTehE8mAmuOGuhag/IfFXsqQtDw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1b7c756b.237ded.1337055a4b3.Webtop.46@charter.net> <7B167843-C574-4D13-8125-CC01A67C2776@grubmah.com> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 14:23:31 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: livelooping. Ambient. From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f23545d35c93a04b100ebd3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 18:23:31 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f23545d35c93a04b100ebd3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I suppose most audience members who dont play an instrument are unfamiliar with the term 'looping.' That could be a large hindrance as well. --e89a8f23545d35c93a04b100ebd3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I suppose most audience members who dont= play an instrument are unfamiliar with the term 'looping.' That co= uld be a large hindrance as well.=A0
--e89a8f23545d35c93a04b100ebd3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 21:27:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04F7718345C; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 21:27:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=byZqd2FDmT4GB3/XXynBT5j5LsSWnDLq7v5ziV3ARIc=; b=M7kPiuKWi42Q4JHe+Hx2Q6U91ucT0DecbRxGd7/aW7SbgtlrQFpvRLkaBIWNduTkRp TRXqtiveIGdWbvO//tnx3y7efPHYRCvVpUd5DSkYir0LUIc7EfWx0Puhl6Ekw3BCqHZ3 ewFBa7Xpn4SMKzbGxNR7Uw6ajQOifTVvmXtRg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7B167843-C574-4D13-8125-CC01A67C2776@grubmah.com> References: <1b7c756b.237ded.1337055a4b3.Webtop.46@charter.net> <7B167843-C574-4D13-8125-CC01A67C2776@grubmah.com> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 22:27:23 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: livelooping. Ambient. From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 21:27:24 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > If someone plays a synthesizer into a loop pedal it qualifies as looped music but what if instead they manipulate knobs on an old style sequencer to change the note sequence? I'd say a loop is a loop. Whether it is audio or data it is a loop if it comes back. In my usual live rig I use many other techniques besides looping; like "freezing", "sequencing" and "arpeggiating". Freezing is special because the sound doesn't come back in a loop, you just catch the timbre as a sound cloud from whatever audio is going on. Arpeggiating is close to both audio live looping and sequencing. Pure data sequencing is something I don't do much though - but step sequencing can indeed be done in loops, like the classic way of working those Roland boxes or the Akai MPC. And the way we use to cut in quantized chunks of live audio into a spinning audio loop is very close to step sequencing. I think all these electronic real-time processing techniques - including live looping - serves the same purpose in music performing: to broaden the musicians palette for multitasking, i.e. you create several musical parts simultaneously. And then there is this other concept: you record something as a loop and play something else over it. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 21:35:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DA8C183460; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 21:35:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=4u+PDfpK4tvznoCcZTStIrzyNrZ9xwaGfiV8GaYpW/M=; b=MafvnokZgzLGIEvR5duM6Pjmxbpqs11k1WZXCLciCCelFwcsc8e+SU6adyME11VPjZ qXm/8/i2CWf/4yj8EizuxSgLW6vHdulsL6OOoEm5ZLu3DECecsXeY7hLsDFcstnuUTb0 wx7pxmWFjJWjNEgdBBHQuDHazYGR4SjGTbBfc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1b7c756b.237ded.1337055a4b3.Webtop.46@charter.net> <7B167843-C574-4D13-8125-CC01A67C2776@grubmah.com> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 17:35:27 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: livelooping. Ambient. From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340d4ba9454a04b10399de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 21:35:28 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340d4ba9454a04b10399de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 A loop most definitely is a loop. What you and I do is play Electronic Music, and we (sometimes) do it live. I wouldnt call myself only a 'looper' or a 'live looper' because looping is only a part of what I do. Per, those are all very appropriate points. --14dae9340d4ba9454a04b10399de Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A loop most definitely is a loop.=A0

What you and I do i= s play Electronic Music, and we (sometimes) do it live. I wouldnt call myse= lf only a 'looper' or a 'live looper' because looping is on= ly a part of what I do. Per, those are all very appropriate points.=A0


--14dae9340d4ba9454a04b10399de-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 23:13:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA48318345E; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 23:13:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=wi2J7rgTjtt66PGN7+JMAiX4/IqmFavmjTO+nE+rCy4= c=1 sm=0 a=PHK0NHw9U4kA:10 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=A2bGdCcTAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=Rw2jVzmAQOuppxgfcNUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Zu1X71Mu6QgA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=PCIXu9QagVMsmNBKxBkQ4Q==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Re: livelooping. Ambient. References: <1b7c756b.237ded.1337055a4b3.Webtop.46@charter.net> <7B167843-C574-4D13-8125-CC01A67C2776@grubmah.com> From: chaz worm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <51A3D626-C0F3-4209-81B1-2E1D599E1244@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 17:17:30 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A334) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 23:13:38 +0000 (UTC) That's why I stick to the " genre. It's apt and very hard to classify exactl= y. Not really much to compare to around here.=20 Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo Earth, Worm, &, Fire and Electric Light Opry http://chazworm.com http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm On Nov 5, 2011, at 2:23 PM, william middlemiss w= rote: >=20 >=20 > I suppose most audience members who dont play an instrument are unfamiliar= with the term 'looping.' That could be a large hindrance as well.=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 00:16:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E834C18345E; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 00:16:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=gkNKZzZESfjqUK2v9b3NViIyq3yjCA+wygsX9pJfYeM=; b=wb47cq4Fj/hJkfG3YBqI59Edbj4y6qKzp2ev4SZQNCCvFvjqqZR2CWRcnZKP33Sfq0 UPbyP8PBx4sxZjuXplzLQ9HYPA+rWMmhIrlW0VSBsQYiEE4eHyjKmLKThkUPEA2tzf+2 LQi9TrxMSo+sxUGvYFDzDHxCAx4NBM52Uk41Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4EA551AD.6070101@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 02:16:31 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: OT: 5/4 challenge From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001517740ae0b01ae104b105d9e0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 00:16:32 +0000 (UTC) --001517740ae0b01ae104b105d9e0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 http://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/track/five-times-stronger And the song in its final form - five times stronger! 2011/10/25 Petri Lahtinen > Good to see that a thread that I started has 32 posts in it! :-) > > > 2011/10/25 Louie Angulo > >> wonderful! i love the polyrhytm guitars! >> >> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Rick Walker wrote: >> > >> >>> On Oct 10, 2011, at 11:08 PM, chrisrover wrote: >> >>> >> >>> For your kind consideration, live looping with drums >> >>> in 5/4 and more than five good reasons to do so: >> >>> >> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBDZAJ3n0 >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> > Really enjoyed this: I want to go out and solo in 5/4 now but my >> beloved >> > is asleep >> > and the neighbors probably wouldn't take to kindly to it. >> > >> > Only one hour more to 5:55................I saw it on my clock 12 hours >> ago >> > as I frequently do. >> > >> > Thanks, christian! >> > >> > ps great video too! >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> www.luis-angulo.com >> >> > > > -- > Petri Lahtinen > > http://www.petrilahtinen.com > > -- Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com --001517740ae0b01ae104b105d9e0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable htt= p://petrilahtinen.bandcamp.com/track/five-times-stronger

And the= song in its final form - five times stronger!

2011/10/25 Petri Lahtinen <kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com>
Good to see that a thread that I started has 32 posts in it! :-)


2011/10/25= Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@googlemail.com>
wonderful! i love the polyrhytm guitars!

On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
>
>>> On Oct 10, 2011, at 11:08 PM, chrisrover wrote:
>>>
>>> For your kind consideration, live looping with drums
>>> in 5/4 and more than five good reasons to do so:
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DRBDZAJ3n0
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
> Really enjoyed this: =A0 =A0 I want to go out and solo in 5/4 now but = my beloved
> is asleep
> and the neighbors probably wouldn't take to kindly to it.
>
> Only one hour more to 5:55................I saw it on my clock 12 hour= s ago
> as I frequently do.
>
> Thanks, =A0christian!
>
> ps great video too!
>
>



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--001517740ae0b01ae104b105d9e0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 02:45:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF73E18345C; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 02:45:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ItSgKUvEgpuArvFeGcEX9ho8h0+4pTt73K5WgrMP114= c=1 sm=0 a=PHK0NHw9U4kA:10 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=A2bGdCcTAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=rrdn4tC-AAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=LycFTJWsyO6SAJs8f0UA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=O-gsY9kfaDEA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=PCIXu9QagVMsmNBKxBkQ4Q==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Re: livelooping. Ambient. References: <1b7c756b.237ded.1337055a4b3.Webtop.46@charter.net> <7B167843-C574-4D13-8125-CC01A67C2776@grubmah.com> <51A3D626-C0F3-4209-81B1-2E1D599E1244@earthwormandfire.com> From: chaz worm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A334) In-Reply-To: <51A3D626-C0F3-4209-81B1-2E1D599E1244@earthwormandfire.com> Message-Id: Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 22:45:18 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 02:45:20 +0000 (UTC) For some reason it didn't list my genre in my last email. =20 Punkgrass.=20 Nobody really has it defined too well. I'll just keep annoying my mostly cla= ssic rock crowd by playing punk and new wave on banjo.=20 I can't wait until my accordion skills improve because I think death metal p= olka sounds great.=20 Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo Earth, Worm, &, Fire and Electric Light Opry http://chazworm.com http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm On Nov 5, 2011, at 5:17 PM, chaz worm wrote: > That's why I stick to the " genre. It's apt and very hard to classify exac= tly. Not really much to compare to around here.=20 >=20 > Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo > Earth, Worm, &, Fire and > Electric Light Opry > http://chazworm.com > http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm >=20 >=20 > On Nov 5, 2011, at 2:23 PM, william middlemiss = wrote: >=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> I suppose most audience members who dont play an instrument are unfamilia= r with the term 'looping.' That could be a large hindrance as well.=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 02:52:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 682EB18345D; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 02:52:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=9H4FE8G6DBd5fAsr65QI5dNjIoX0Gpund81qbpggrCM=; b=d4RnB0WsPDOiJpHfWJ7/d4SP6W1rXkh4ewt9Br+IV00j2nVLhMWjZBiHVLR/2d4mjx A2JGaYMAOLXIlP4AJ48qLF+aO7NbQ8J/cKn6e1pvWbSzLO5VQSmGi6M5omZAR30e8MGf gzbY+OYSHYsmdGFj3yYg9Ng56JhETiWz64w3w= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1b7c756b.237ded.1337055a4b3.Webtop.46@charter.net> <7B167843-C574-4D13-8125-CC01A67C2776@grubmah.com> <51A3D626-C0F3-4209-81B1-2E1D599E1244@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 22:52:52 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: livelooping. Ambient. From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340785cf231c04b10808e7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 02:52:53 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340785cf231c04b10808e7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 "death metal polka sounds great" Ive heard Grind accordion. actually, I bet an accordion and percussion could fill an entire spectrum so that nobody else would have any room to play (even if they wanted to, ha) --14dae9340785cf231c04b10808e7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "death metal p= olka sounds great"

Ive heard = Grind accordion. actually, I bet an accordion and percussion could fill an = entire spectrum so that nobody else would have any room to play (even if th= ey wanted to, ha)
--14dae9340785cf231c04b10808e7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 03:06:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2E5818345F; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 03:06:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=wi2J7rgTjtt66PGN7+JMAiX4/IqmFavmjTO+nE+rCy4= c=1 sm=0 a=PHK0NHw9U4kA:10 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=A2bGdCcTAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=Vvh4v57xMekMw5AKKDgA:9 a=WnWmf3lc8voQB83QewEA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=i7VuVDwRvixJ-aga85QA:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=PCIXu9QagVMsmNBKxBkQ4Q==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Re: livelooping. Ambient. References: <1b7c756b.237ded.1337055a4b3.Webtop.46@charter.net> <7B167843-C574-4D13-8125-CC01A67C2776@grubmah.com> <51A3D626-C0F3-4209-81B1-2E1D599E1244@earthwormandfire.com> From: chaz worm Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-B42998FA-4F0B-455E-9F8E-59B2F89E7724 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A334) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <55F39914-7751-4E91-9397-11D8F3058C57@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 23:06:09 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 03:06:11 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-B42998FA-4F0B-455E-9F8E-59B2F89E7724 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What is sad is I hear a mechanical accordion grind too. I think it would sou= nd so bizarre looped properly. The problem is Weird Al has the accordion mar= ket so cornered. I'm already doing a borderline comedy act anyway. If I were= to bring out my looped accordion I would appear to be an even bigger poser t= han what I already am.=20 As bad as I am at banjo, I'm extremely sub-par on accordion. I can do a pret= ty good approximation of that accordion grind that I hear with the use of lo= oping and bass harmonicas.=20 I'll keep playing non mainstream instruments so people will not discover wha= t a fraud I am =20 Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo Earth, Worm, &, Fire and Electric Light Opry http://chazworm.com http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm On Nov 5, 2011, at 10:52 PM, william middlemiss w= rote: > "death metal polka sounds great" >=20 > Ive heard Grind accordion. actually, I bet an accordion and percussion cou= ld fill an entire spectrum so that nobody else would have any room to play (= even if they wanted to, ha) --Apple-Mail-B42998FA-4F0B-455E-9F8E-59B2F89E7724 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
What is sad is I hear a me= chanical accordion grind too. I think it would sound so bizarre looped prope= rly. The problem is Weird Al has the accordion market so cornered. I'm alrea= dy doing a borderline comedy act anyway. If I were to bring out my looped ac= cordion I would appear to be an even bigger poser than what I already am.&nb= sp;
As bad as I am at banjo, I'm extremely sub-par on accordion. I= can do a pretty good approximation of that accordion grind that I hear with= the use of looping and bass harmonicas. 
I'll keep playing n= on mainstream instruments so people will not discover what a fraud I am &nbs= p; 

Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo
Earth, Worm, &, Fire= and
Electric Light Opry

On Nov= 5, 2011, at 10:52 PM, william middlemiss <billymiddlemiss@gmail.com> wrote:

"death metal polka sounds great"

Ive heard Grind accordion. actually, I bet an accordion and percu= ssion could fill an entire spectrum so that nobody else would have any room t= o play (even if they wanted to, ha)
= --Apple-Mail-B42998FA-4F0B-455E-9F8E-59B2F89E7724-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 03:18:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DEF2018345E; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 03:18:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EB5FC67.3020800@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 20:17:59 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: livelooping. Ambient. References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 03:18:06 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > P.S. We noticed at Y2KX (I think) that the posters said nothing about "music". Did that have an effect on being able to pull in a broader audience? I don't know. This is , of course, contextual, Mark. I've so overpromoted the notion of what 'live looping' is in this county that the local music newspapers now refer to live looping artists without any explanation whatsoever. We've been on the front page of every single major newspaper multiple times in the past ten years, had the Mayor of Santa Cruz come out and declare International Live Looping Day in the city and even learn to loop for the first time in front of the audience. It's gotten so that it's pretty rare for me to talk about what I do with the festivals with anyone who hasn't heard of it yet. This, of course, is completely anomalous outside of this area but it's pretty de rigeur here. Also, and especially in the last two years, we are seeing an increase in live looping visual artists who don't necessarily play music. I feel confidant that this is going to increase and we are even working pretty hard right now to create some software that allows for the simulataneous creation of synchronized audio and visual elements. We could of course, be really accurate and call it the Y2K12 INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING (but not pre-canned loops) MUSIC and VIDEO FESTIVAL but that's pretty tough to put on a poster, I think. Seriously, I've been involved with the start of a few musical movements in my own area and I've noticed that there is always confusion at the beginning of those movements with name recognition and appeal to larger crowds. There always is a tipping point, however, if something really has resonance. Another thing is that not all important musical and art movements are popular ones. You don't see Picasso's cubist paintings in multiple households, but still, that movement had a huge impact on everything from painting to design. This Live Looping thing we've all been involved in, whether we call it that or not, has already had a really big impact on the culture. Increasingly, I'm hearing live looping techniques in Soundtracks, Commercials.........Increasingly, I"m seeing pop music artists with live loopers in their pedal boards (and I'm not talking about people in our own community). In the so called 'World Beat' movement that came out of Northern California originally, there was a tipping point where suddenly, a large percentage of pop groups were liberally incorporating various world music ethnic traditions into their own stew; where movie soundtracks and car commercials had a liberal dose of that influence. And yet, that musical scene never became very large outside of the West Coast.........it was huge in Santa Cruz but after about 6 or 7 years, all the world music clubs closed; the big 'world beat' bands quit selling out the big venues and even, in recent years, it's been tough to book some of the largest acts in the world in a big venue in our area. Still that scene had a huge impact on the culture of this particular area that extended outwards to our whole country. Because of all of this stuff, I just don't worry about being super popular with what we are doing. Doing it, alone, is it's greatest reward in my heart. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 03:19:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 933EC18345E; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 03:19:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=0jMsmX4bvsfi8f+WwyffqPeozZdmhuK38+QDKBuYBSk=; b=AK0FfnWjT3FW1Fo0XwSoy//wKXE2LLuHdx9pHVcuVKgOYhiH7gCDNMwoxIW/mmWLxW sktS/+LF83nsBki66tcgYFzHuhlD3FtAqZ/xXl850Nf0Os/TXADhJ+D51gE7Miz0xQhR ADv/C3fRQN6wLBT/TvjRLJIQsAAJEv+lvnxZY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <55F39914-7751-4E91-9397-11D8F3058C57@earthwormandfire.com> References: <1b7c756b.237ded.1337055a4b3.Webtop.46@charter.net> <7B167843-C574-4D13-8125-CC01A67C2776@grubmah.com> <51A3D626-C0F3-4209-81B1-2E1D599E1244@earthwormandfire.com> <55F39914-7751-4E91-9397-11D8F3058C57@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 23:19:50 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: livelooping. Ambient. From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340b0f45575704b108693f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 03:19:51 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340b0f45575704b108693f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 "I'll keep playing non mainstream instruments so people will not discover what a fraud I am " Well, if we're people than you've given yourself away! There's all kinda of differing wisdom about when to perform, whether an art necessarily be honed before its presented. I say you're ready when you have a picture. Others need the frame to know what theyre looking at is a painting. Technique can be limiting (as in a cage) or it can be the mechanism for liberation. Usually its both, and thats where the art is. The technique is in choosing which cave to stay in, and the art is staying in the cage until its time to leave. The good(bad?) thing is you're learning subconsciously, so even if you aim to get worse- after long enough you'll most likely improve. --14dae9340b0f45575704b108693f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "I'll keep= playing non mainstream instruments so people will not discover what a frau= d I am =A0"

Well, if we're people than you've gi= ven yourself away!

There's all kinda of differing wisdom about when to perfor= m, whether an art necessarily be honed before its presented. I say you'= re ready when you have a picture. Others need the frame to know what theyre= looking at is a painting. Technique can be limiting (as in a cage) or it c= an be the mechanism for liberation. Usually its both, and thats where the a= rt is. The technique is in choosing which cave to stay in, and the art is s= taying in the cage until its time to leave.=A0

The good(ba= d?) thing is you're learning subconsciously, so even if you aim to get = worse- after long enough you'll most likely improve.=A0
--14dae9340b0f45575704b108693f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 03:27:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72397183460; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 03:27:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EB5FE9F.9070306@theambientping.com> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 23:27:27 -0400 From: PiNG Reply-To: ping@theambientping.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091204 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , Dark Seeds , Drone Deep Chill , Loopers Delight , The Ambient Way Subject: 11.8.11 > The PiNG presents SPACENOIZ + SylURMTRiBE + Muh-he-con + GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 03:27:32 +0000 (UTC) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .11.08.11 . THE AMBiENT PiNG presents ASTEROiD 2005 YU55 featuring SPACENOIZ + SylURMTRiBE + Muh-he-con + GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS @ Supermarket . 268 Augusta Ave . Kensington Market just south of College . Map, info and directions at: http://www.supermarkettoronto.com/site/section/contact Tues. Nov. 8th . Doors open at 8:00 . 1st set at 8:30 . $6 . SPACENOIZ . Jim Field, formerly of Rhea's Obsession brings his Spacenoiz project and his many string things and efx back to the PiNG for a solo set of beautiful spacey atmospherics and moving sequences. http://www.myspace.com/jimfieldfromrheas . SylURMTRiBE . Eric Hopper (Sylken) and Jamie Todd (URM + dreamSTATE) have a long history of making electronic music together. Twenty-five years of blending their unique synthetic sounds with others, first in the late 80's and early 90's with Scott M2 as Radio Silence and later after the turn of the century with Terry O'Brien as SADU. They now join forces with Beau Lukes (Arqa Dea Tribe) who will be bringing a touch of world sounds to the mix via acoustic and electronic percussion. Sylken - http://www.sylken.ca URM - http://www.urm.ca Arqa Dea Tribe - http://www.arqadeatribe.com . Muh-he-con . Sound artist Alex Myers from London and now living in Toronto brings his unique blend of glitch, ambience and noise via analog electronics to his first PiNG performance. http://muh-he-con.bandcamp.com . GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS . Of course for the last PiNG of 2011, Stephen Lindsey and Eric Siegerman are back to warm up and paint the room with their evolving light paintings. http://www.generalchaosvisuals.ca . Between Sets we'll be featuring music from "Riceboy Sleeps" by Jonsi (Sigur Ros) & Alex and "Phantoms" by Forrest Fang. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . COMiNG SOON . JANUARY through DECEMBER 2012 THE RETURN OF THE dreamSTATE DRONE CYCLE Long-time PiNGers will remember dreamSTATE's epic year-long journey through the chromatic scale in THE DRONE CYCLE 2000. In 2012, the chromatic anniversary, they return to bring the drone home. Beginning in C on JANUARY 10th 2012 and continuing down the scale on a monthly basis (B in FEBRUARY...) with a host of special guests, they'll reach C# by DECEMBER. Stay tuned for more details. @ Supermarket . 268 Augusta Ave . Kensington Market just south of College . Map, info and directions at: http://www.supermarkettoronto.com/site/section/contact PiNG doors open at 8 . 1st set at 8:30 . $6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a new free download from the ping things net label: "The Warm Portrait" by Lorne David Thomson Following fast on the heels of this spring's "Tenkan" album, ping things is thrilled to announce Lorne David Thomson's fourth release with ping things. "The Warm Portrait" continues the study of organic textures and melodic ambience that runs through Lorne's earlier releases for ping things, beautiful and delicate electronica that appeals both mentally and emotionally. "The Warm Portrait" is available for free download as a 115Mb Zip file containing the full release in mp3 format along with artwork suitable for printing by the very talented Mariya Gainsford. The music on this release is copyright Lorne David Thomson 2011 and may not be used or reproduced without the artist's express permission. http://pingthings.blogspot.com/2011/10/download-warm-portrait-by-lorne-david.html Check out the ping things blog for more free download releases from the ping things net label. http://pingthings.blogspot.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a Toronto based creative community of audio artists, performers, musicians and visual artists. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 03:34:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB4A718345E; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 03:34:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EB60041.2000207@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 20:34:25 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5ycbuD.A.aPH.IBgtOB@arsenic> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 03:34:32 +0000 (UTC) Much is said about audiences not knowing the difference between someone hitting play on a computer that has complete tracks stored, someone playing over pre-recorded loops or someone who is looping everything in front of an audience. I go to see a very wide variety of musical performances that use technical augmentation, from ones that are completely canned (Fisher Spooner) to ones partially canned (a tremendous amount of the big electronic shows) to artists who do all of their looping live in front of the audience. My experience is that people really do get, viscerally, when someone is playing something in real time that they loop and then play other things against (including other loops). A couple of artists in recent years, who shall remain nameless, have only played in real time over loops or samples that were pre-recorded. The energy of their sets was really markedly different from the ones that didn't take this approach. Of course, our loop festival audiences are not typical but many people complained about these performances after the fact. They bothered me, to be honest. The fact of the matter is it's infinitely easier to do all of your looping ahead of your performance and then just fly them in as is musically suitable. To me, it's much more dangerous to have to pull all of one's tech off in front of an audience; to play live in real time in front of an audience even if you are looping yourself for augmentation's sake. That's why , despite the fact that no one could tell from merely a recording of a performance whether someone looped live or just flew in pre-recorded loops or samples, I think there is a huge difference between the two and this is why I am proud to be a live looping artist. This is why I specifically make the distinction that the Y2K Festivals are Live Looping Festivals and why I send out a performance agreement before booking people a spot on the festival. Out of 11 years of performance only two artists have disregarded the rules about creating live looping content in front of the audience. We'll have to have a heart to heart talk if those artists ever want to play the festival again. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 03:45:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5D2218345D; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 03:45:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=hr4h1/zkXYERSJ2EStLXlJ9v/X1e5ATtVUFVM9Abuxk= c=1 sm=0 a=PHK0NHw9U4kA:10 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=A2bGdCcTAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=9TzEu7I0TqwJ9rcdCHEA:9 a=HcqNTC9Bljj8OlnJx38A:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=cCKySFT5sfcRbxeItjEA:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=PCIXu9QagVMsmNBKxBkQ4Q==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Re: livelooping. Ambient. References: <1b7c756b.237ded.1337055a4b3.Webtop.46@charter.net> <7B167843-C574-4D13-8125-CC01A67C2776@grubmah.com> <51A3D626-C0F3-4209-81B1-2E1D599E1244@earthwormandfire.com> <55F39914-7751-4E91-9397-11D8F3058C57@earthwormandfire.com> From: chaz worm Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1272A3F7-BCFD-4EB3-9E0A-9F87D7DC17F0 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A334) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3AB31910-A6D8-4B55-8DD6-967452FC212D@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 23:45:14 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 03:45:16 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1272A3F7-BCFD-4EB3-9E0A-9F87D7DC17F0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It's actually pretty simple really. Me and my little brother wanted to be KY= 's Ramones when we were kids.=20 We both wrote songs and sang. He practiced 8 hours a day. So eventually we b= ecame KYs Ramones with Chet Atkins on guitar.=20 It sounds odd but I liked his song writing much better before he became a gu= itar god.=20 We've since pretty much went our own paths and replaced each other with loop= machines. Lol.=20 I always make light of my lack of talent because I've always felt inadequate= talent wise. I'm ok. I just don't really wanna think so.=20 I will be uploading more looping-type performances soon. I feel very ham-fis= ted around you guys too but it's really hard to compare what I'm trying to d= o to most loopers setups.=20 Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo Earth, Worm, &, Fire and Electric Light Opry http://chazworm.com http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm On Nov 5, 2011, at 11:19 PM, william middlemiss w= rote: > "I'll keep playing non mainstream instruments so people will not discover w= hat a fraud I am " >=20 > Well, if we're people than you've given yourself away! >=20 > There's all kinda of differing wisdom about when to perform, whether an ar= t necessarily be honed before its presented. I say you're ready when you hav= e a picture. Others need the frame to know what theyre looking at is a paint= ing. Technique can be limiting (as in a cage) or it can be the mechanism for= liberation. Usually its both, and thats where the art is. The technique is i= n choosing which cave to stay in, and the art is staying in the cage until i= ts time to leave.=20 >=20 > The good(bad?) thing is you're learning subconsciously, so even if you aim= to get worse- after long enough you'll most likely improve.=20 --Apple-Mail-1272A3F7-BCFD-4EB3-9E0A-9F87D7DC17F0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
It's actually pretty simpl= e really. Me and my little brother wanted to be KY's Ramones when we were ki= ds. 
We both wrote songs and sang. He practiced 8 hours a day= . So eventually we became KYs Ramones with Chet Atkins on guitar. 
It sounds odd but I liked his song writing much better before he becam= e a guitar god. 
We've since pretty much went our own paths a= nd replaced each other with loop machines. Lol. 
I always mak= e light of my lack of talent because I've always felt inadequate talent wise= . I'm ok. I just don't really wanna think so. 
I will be uplo= ading more looping-type performances soon. I feel very ham-fisted around you= guys too but it's really hard to compare what I'm trying to do to most loop= ers setups. 

Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo
Earth, Worm, &a= mp;, Fire and
Electric Light Opry
<= br>On Nov 5, 2011, at 11:19 PM, william middlemiss <billymiddlemiss@gmail.com> wrote:

"I'll keep playing non mainstream instruments so peop= le will not discover what a fraud I am  "

Well, if we're people than you've given yours= elf away!

There's all kinda of differing wisdom about when to perform, whether an a= rt necessarily be honed before its presented. I say you're ready when you ha= ve a picture. Others need the frame to know what theyre looking at is a pain= ting. Technique can be limiting (as in a cage) or it can be the mechanism fo= r liberation. Usually its both, and thats where the art is. The technique is= in choosing which cave to stay in, and the art is staying in the cage until= its time to leave. 

The good(bad= ?) thing is you're learning subconsciously, so even if you aim to get worse-= after long enough you'll most likely improve. 
= --Apple-Mail-1272A3F7-BCFD-4EB3-9E0A-9F87D7DC17F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 04:22:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E2F618345A; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 04:22:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=wi2J7rgTjtt66PGN7+JMAiX4/IqmFavmjTO+nE+rCy4= c=1 sm=0 a=jAkZaWEQ9eMA:10 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=A2bGdCcTAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=oTtuw1C_AAAA:8 a=mYZ51BVH6i1G0W7dTkMA:9 a=RrJgNPfPbSdaQHm1HyYA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=pQ2a0EFxmsAA:10 a=PCIXu9QagVMsmNBKxBkQ4Q==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Re: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops References: <4EB60041.2000207@cruzio.com> From: chaz worm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A334) In-Reply-To: <4EB60041.2000207@cruzio.com> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 00:22:40 -0400 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: <9IhpT.A.31H.SugtOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 04:22:42 +0000 (UTC) I must concur wholeheartedly.=20 PRE-recorded looping is karaoke style looping.=20 That is why I keep things so minimal. I'm aware of the pending trainwreck I w= ill have if things get too fancy.=20 I shy away from too much instrument looping too because the way a banjo is s= etup you are a bit hamstrung melodically from the get-go. (it's that short d= emon string).=20 That is the first thing I have to do when I play is mute out all those PRE r= ecorded rock drums that Roland felt in their infinite wisdom I could not liv= e with out. It's happened many a time. I'm getting my punkgrass hyper 2/4 = jam on and I hit loop and some cheesy out of (my) time 4/4 rock beat comes o= n.=20 I look like a clown! I'm still new at this and probably should hold my tongue on this matter.=20 Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo Earth, Worm, &, Fire and Electric Light Opry http://chazworm.com http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm On Nov 5, 2011, at 11:34 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > Much is said about audiences not knowing the difference between someone > hitting play on a computer that has complete tracks stored, someone playi= ng over > pre-recorded loops or someone who is looping everything in front of an aud= ience. >=20 > I go to see a very wide variety of musical performances that use technical= augmentation, from ones that are completely > canned (Fisher Spooner) to ones partially canned (a tremendous amount of t= he > big electronic shows) to artists who do all of their looping live in front= of the audience. >=20 > My experience is that people really do get, viscerally, when someone is pl= aying something in real time > that they loop and then play other things against (including other loops).= >=20 > A couple of artists in recent years, who shall remain nameless, have only= played in real time over > loops or samples that were pre-recorded. The energy of their sets was re= ally markedly different > from the ones that didn't take this approach. Of course, our loop festi= val audiences are not typical > but many people complained about these performances after the fact. They= bothered me, to be honest. >=20 > The fact of the matter is it's infinitely easier to do all of your looping= ahead of your performance > and then just fly them in as is musically suitable. >=20 > To me, it's much more dangerous to have to pull all of one's tech off in f= ront of an audience; to > play live in real time in front of an audience even if you are looping you= rself for augmentation's sake. >=20 > That's why , despite the fact that no one could tell from merely a recordi= ng of a performance whether someone > looped live or just flew in pre-recorded loops or samples, I think there i= s a huge difference between the two > and this is why I am proud to be a live looping artist. >=20 > This is why I specifically make the distinction that the Y2K Festivals are= Live Looping Festivals > and why I send out a performance agreement before booking people a spot on= the festival. > Out of 11 years of performance only two artists have disregarded the rules= about creating live looping > content in front of the audience. We'll have to have a heart to heart t= alk if those artists ever want to > play the festival again. >=20 > Rick Walker >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 04:27:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDC7818345E; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 04:27:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 526170.93004.bm@omp1029.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1320553653; bh=f9jBtUtSzgnymif9pKcoauSPO7jj6E4PLfr6JVyFduc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Mailer; b=QA/8BhT1fPCni4rXkglq2mvKE63NDD/CwmeFCEU7azGJ1+Bz4DAjsHK9wZd8sAJFlrjqEqiKw+92685/zxCVrgKkkV7/REr37hC6ef85nScTkPZjURjmL+GJr1BqsI0bVYghZbA6mKeGlhH7zJr1AYMf4n2QN1y9YSdGcpyLaP8= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: f7XDazoVM1lGJuJCT2nGwx3_43h0hSb_5bMxSgBq_0jy7a1 DejhYFPM2sYPfIUzn9HsWrF7lbeZlXSqM9xmEpRv8vrhcSi.UbHeEjCgqUjy 6yfEbevTGFxUyijFLJwMVP_yYpn7QHfPWamshHJcmbe5IRWl5SsFqsMG5S6a _lLkOdURZ8ulJErQtZQezbfXqCofhmHEhDRBt7lz1dUF1yaxLVMQTzp2jtqm Y5BXRSCXR2KPs9RoNHZId.eSRoHu2lzkNejJlAjwni3yR_lYL3qcwVF0zILk fWWunH7I5rowa5B3RFlvO8NKbEWMqazWlxvor8ya8Y.GRWQUS7FUkvwI1eOU jPZi9UrGtBpcUSN5KJpzz3FjXFpoRY6ypVyXQL4MLRhWuyu.45FlBQiU_4_b _QRjC13djUaK_fDzZ1oz4oiVdhcvpGXOdj4Nv X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F Message-Id: From: Michael Carlson Music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4EB60041.2000207@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 21:27:31 -0700 References: <4EB60041.2000207@cruzio.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 04:27:34 +0000 (UTC) Rick and everyone, Man, I am so glad I met many of you in Santa Cruz the other week. I really feel like I've found creative kindred. About the live looping vs pre-recorded loops. . . For me, I love the challenge of creating an arrangement that I can perform live by recording all the loops on stage with nothing pre- recorded. When I perform, however, most people ASSUME that I am using pre-recorded loops. Only the good musicians in the crowd realize what is happening, and they are appreciative of what I am doing.If I was using pre-recorded loops, I think the "energy" would be a lot different, like Rick was saying about the shows he has seen. And it would be less interesting for me. When I'm going to loop on stage, why would I want to create loops beforehand? I take no recorded loops on the stage with me, I do my thing, and then I delete ALL the loops at the end. Sometimes I capture the performance as a whole, but hardly ever. Someone told me its kind of like a live sand-painting performance. I think thats about right. With sand-painting, you can video tape it but you can't preserve the sand itself. With live looping, you can record the audio and video, but you can't capture the "grit" and emotional texture of the live feeling. And my performance is a little different every time, no matter how much I might rehearse my arrangements. That's that adventure of it. Michael Carlson (TripleOhNine) On Nov 5, 2011, at 8:34 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > Much is said about audiences not knowing the difference between > someone > hitting play on a computer that has complete tracks stored, someone > playing over > pre-recorded loops or someone who is looping everything in front of > an audience. > > I go to see a very wide variety of musical performances that use > technical augmentation, from ones that are completely > canned (Fisher Spooner) to ones partially canned (a tremendous > amount of the > big electronic shows) to artists who do all of their looping live in > front of the audience. > > My experience is that people really do get, viscerally, when someone > is playing something in real time > that they loop and then play other things against (including other > loops). > > A couple of artists in recent years, who shall remain nameless, > have only played in real time over > loops or samples that were pre-recorded. The energy of their sets > was really markedly different > from the ones that didn't take this approach. Of course, our loop > festival audiences are not typical > but many people complained about these performances after the > fact. They bothered me, to be honest. > > The fact of the matter is it's infinitely easier to do all of your > looping ahead of your performance > and then just fly them in as is musically suitable. > > To me, it's much more dangerous to have to pull all of one's tech > off in front of an audience; to > play live in real time in front of an audience even if you are > looping yourself for augmentation's sake. > > That's why , despite the fact that no one could tell from merely a > recording of a performance whether someone > looped live or just flew in pre-recorded loops or samples, I think > there is a huge difference between the two > and this is why I am proud to be a live looping artist. > > This is why I specifically make the distinction that the Y2K > Festivals are Live Looping Festivals > and why I send out a performance agreement before booking people a > spot on the festival. > Out of 11 years of performance only two artists have disregarded the > rules about creating live looping > content in front of the audience. We'll have to have a heart to > heart talk if those artists ever want to > play the festival again. > > Rick Walker > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 10:47:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDAAD18345F; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 10:47:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=bU59VR9/YQtQUE0A+QbuIle4+aHeuRFYLt1meD/0I+g=; b=BHZQTIiSQmZV8H+ZIodLcocfsXZ8DkD6gD1Gwkwdv9GK863WbvBKxnbFABfxKHvod8 rwN4GlKWW5oeHsRI2qfOL1PxXG12viTVGnCaD/vENr2ShCoQjfix8QmHG2CHebEivY+8 64LIukrZ9DedU5xxpQ8e+JfonBjITASNADC5U= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4EB60041.2000207@cruzio.com> References: <4EB60041.2000207@cruzio.com> From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:47:19 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Fzyv9Mt1ml6rKU9pAHV3yBS0fpI Message-ID: Subject: Re: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf305e1f5dbeef8b04b10eaa30 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 10:47:41 +0000 (UTC) --20cf305e1f5dbeef8b04b10eaa30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have a few comments my friend--- On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 4:34 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > Much is said about audiences not knowing the difference between someone > hitting play on a computer that has complete tracks stored > Yes Waaaay too much! My experience is that people really do get, viscerally, when someone is > playing something in real time > that they loop and then play other things against (including other loops). > I think this is partially true. ANYONE who has any musical or technical interest will probably spot the difference, but I think there are many many audience members that have NO IDEA what is going on, on stage, and are just lost in the music, enjoying what they hear. We dont go to concerts to merit the performers technical ability, we go there to have a good time. But after years in the buisines, I think one becomes tainted and a wonderful artist, who cheats a bit, will seem less interesting to us, than the oblivious fan, because WE know what they are doing. But who is really losing out here? But I think I can agree that I, like you Rick, am disappointment when I see a cheat on stage. A couple of artists in recent years, who shall remain nameless, have only > played in real time over > loops or samples that were pre-recorded. Indeed, The my old band Cranes had a backing tape for things that we had created on tapeloops, or spliced together in the studio, or employed an orchestra for. (Or we couldnt play cos the orginal was sequnced Piano, that none of us could managed) Which of the above was a cheat? The last example of course, but then we all better stop using things like argegiators and sequencers... (Unless we use these boxes live??? Is that it? Is that the distinction here? A recorded drum beat, is a cheat, but looped infront of the audience is not? Do all loops songs have to start with a drum-beat build up section, while we wait for the song to start? Are we RESTRICTED by the LIVE part of Live Looping, now, so we cannot use tools that the rest of the music industry has no problem with? I'm iffy here... The energy of their sets was really markedly different > from the ones that didn't take this approach. > Of course, our loop festival audiences are not typical > but many people complained about these performances after the fact. They > bothered me, to be honest. > But this is context Rick, They are performers at YK LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL!!! They damn well better Loop Live! I myself am prone to using ... er... well just beats actually, but at your request, refrained from using PRE MADE beats during my performance last year. I used Arpegiated stuff, I used heavily treated audio from my rather noisy guitar, but chopped into little fragments and triggered like beats.. but no actual beats...no actual pre-recorded loops. For the audience was there a difference? But that is the WHOLE POINT of your festival Rick, so there its OK, its an experiment! > The fact of the matter is it's infinitely easier to do all of your looping > ahead of your performance > and then just fly them in as is musically suitable. > Sure... > > To me, it's much more dangerous to have to pull all of one's tech off in > front of an audience; Certainly, but does a musical performance HAVE to be dangerous? Does that make it better? That's why , despite the fact that no one could tell from merely a > recording of a performance whether someone > looped live or just flew in pre-recorded loops or samples, I think there > is a huge difference between the two > and this is why I am proud to be a live looping artist. > There is a huge difference yes, and I love Live looping!. It has defined my music for that last 15 years, but we are loopers Rick, I don't think we need to impose our rules for "keepin it real" on all other musical genres! You, yourself are big fan of NIN, and although they do these showy tricks infront of a crowd to show how "live" they are, the fact is, there is shit-loads on tape, any of Pretty Hate Machine NEEDS masses of pre-made stuff, it just wouldn't sound the same! This is why I specifically make the distinction that the Y2K Festivals are > Live Looping Festivals > and why I send out a performance agreement before booking people a spot on > the festival. > Out of 11 years of performance only two artists have disregarded the rules > about creating live looping > content in front of the audience. We'll have to have a heart to heart > talk if those artists ever want to > play the festival again. > I dont know who these preformers were or what they sounded like, but shure, if they were sounding like looping, but had it all premade, at a looping festival, I would agree, but... I dunno.. using premade stuff, cleverly spun in using technology , at the right moments, in synch with the song.. Sounds pretty accomplished to me.. in another way... If your answer to this is that, these "other artists" (Like NIN for example) are not SAYING that they are Live Loopers, so then its ok.. then.. OK then.. I AM NOT A LIVE LOOPER! I cant be.. I am a musican playing in a repetitive style, and I create it as I play. I am a Repetitive Improvisor! Lets not get too anal here? Mark -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf305e1f5dbeef8b04b10eaa30 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a few comments my friend---

On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 4:34 AM, R= ick Walker <loo= ppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
Much is said about audiences not knowing the difference between someone
hitting play on a computer that has complete tracks stored
=

Yes Waaaay too much!

My experience is that people really do get, viscerally, when someone is pla= ying something in real time
that they loop and then play other things against (including other loops).<= br>

I think this is partially true. ANYONE who has any= musical or technical interest will probably spot the difference, but I thi= nk there are many many audience members that have NO IDEA what is going on,= on stage, and are just lost in the music, enjoying what they hear. We dont= go to concerts to merit the performers technical ability, we go there to h= ave a good time.
But after years in the buisines, I think one becomes tainted and a wonderfu= l artist, who cheats a bit, will seem less interesting to us, than the obli= vious fan, because WE know what they are doing.

But who is really lo= sing out here?
But I think I can agree that I, like you Rick, am disappointment when I see= a cheat on stage.

A couple of artists in recent years, who shall remain nameless, =A0have onl= y played in real time over
loops or samples that were pre-recorded. =A0

Indeed, = The my old band Cranes had a backing tape for things that we had created on= tapeloops, or spliced together in the studio, or employed an orchestra for= . (Or we couldnt play cos the orginal was sequnced Piano, that none of us c= ould managed) Which of the above was a cheat? The last example of course, b= ut then we all better stop using things like argegiators and sequencers... = (Unless we use these boxes live??? Is that it? Is that the distinction here= ?
A recorded drum beat, is a cheat, but looped infront of the audience is not= ? Do all loops songs have to start with a drum-beat build up section, while= we wait for the song to start? Are we RESTRICTED by the LIVE part of Live = Looping, now, so we cannot use tools that the rest of the music industry ha= s no problem with?
I'm iffy here...

The energy of their sets was really markedly different from the ones that didn't take this approach.
Of course, our loop festi= val audiences are not typical
but many people complained about these performances after the fact. =A0 The= y bothered me, to be honest.

But this is context R= ick, They are performers at YK LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL!!! They damn well bett= er Loop Live! I myself am prone to using ... er... well just beats actually= , but at your request, refrained from using PRE MADE beats during my perfor= mance last year. I used Arpegiated stuff, I used heavily treated audio from= my rather noisy guitar, but chopped into little fragments and triggered li= ke beats.. but no actual beats...no actual pre-recorded loops.=A0 For the a= udience was there a difference?

But that is the WHOLE POINT of your festival Rick, so there its OK, its= an experiment!

=A0
The fact of the matter is it's infinitely easier to do all of your loop= ing ahead of your performance
and then just fly them in as is musically suitable.
Sure...
=A0

To me, it's much more dangerous to have to pull all of one's tech o= ff in front of an audience; =A0

Certainly, but does a = musical performance HAVE to be dangerous? Does that make it better?

That's why , despite the fact that no one could tell from merely a reco= rding of a performance whether someone
looped live or just flew in pre-recorded loops or samples, =A0I think there= is a huge difference between the two
and this is why I am proud to be a live looping artist.

There is a huge difference yes, and I love Live looping!. It has defi= ned my music for that last 15 years, but we are loopers Rick, I don't t= hink we need to impose our rules for "keepin it real" on all othe= r musical genres! You, yourself are big fan of NIN, and although they do th= ese showy tricks infront of a crowd to show how "live" they are, = the fact is, there is shit-loads on tape, any of Pretty Hate Machine NEEDS = masses of pre-made stuff, it just wouldn't sound the same!


This is why I specifically make the distinction that the Y2K Festivals are = Live Looping Festivals
and why I send out a performance agreement before booking people a spot on = the festival.
Out of 11 years of performance only two artists have disregarded the rules = about creating live looping
content in front of the audience. =A0 =A0We'll have to have a heart to = heart talk if those artists ever want to
play the festival again.

I dont know who these pre= formers=A0 were or what they sounded like, but shure, if they were sounding= like looping, but had it all premade, at a looping festival, I would agree= , but... I dunno.. using premade stuff, cleverly spun in using technology ,= at the right moments, in synch with the song.. Sounds pretty accomplished = to me.. in another way...


If your answer to this is that, these "other artists" (Li= ke NIN for example) are not SAYING that they are Live Loopers, so then its = ok.. then.. OK then.. I AM NOT A LIVE LOOPER! I cant be.. I am a musican pl= aying in a repetitive style, and I create it as I play.

I am a Repetitive Improvisor!

Lets not get too anal here?
Mark

--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--20cf305e1f5dbeef8b04b10eaa30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 12:14:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85F7D18345E; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 12:14:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <30DBF1B2-729D-4877-B27C-8454241A07E1@sea.plala.or.jp> From: Ed Durbrow To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7679284.1320466037749.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6-824239355 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: What do YOU do when creativity dries up? Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 21:08:59 +0900 References: <7679284.1320466037749.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-VirusScan: Outbound; msa03b; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 21:08:59 +0900 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 12:14:03 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6-824239355 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a book called theWARofART. The entire book could be summed up in the preface which is a few pages. Maybe you could go to Amazon and read the preface if you are interested. Basically, it says the task is overcoming resistance, show up and work. It is full of aphorisms such as: A pro views her work as craft, not art; The Amateur believes he must first overcome his fear; Resistance feeds on fear - etcetera. What do I do when creativity dries up? I have so much I could do when creativity dries up. There is finishing stuff. I have so many ideas that were inspired, if I may use that term loosely, that need completing, polishing sequencing and recording. Much of composing is working things out after the initial inspiration. That is more like craft. Was it Einstein that said it is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration? I make it a point to write every day no matter what. If I end up just staring at a page of lyrics for 3 minutes and writing one or two words that are pure garbage, I count that. I figure just putting attention to it will keep it in the rotation of my subconscious. On Nov 5, 2011, at 1:07 PM, stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > Albert Brooks did a weird movie about this and my feeling is simply > sometimes she visits for a long time-sometimes she is nowhere to be > found. Is that the one with Sharon Stone? Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ --Apple-Mail-6-824239355 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a book called = theWARofART. The entire book could be summed up in the preface which is = a few pages. Maybe you could go to Amazon and read the preface if you = are interested. Basically, it says the task is overcoming resistance, = show up and work. It is full of aphorisms such as: A pro views her work = as craft, not art; The Amateur believes he must first overcome his fear; = Resistance feeds on fear - etcetera.

What do I do = when creativity dries up?
I have so much I could do when = creativity dries up. There is finishing stuff. I have so many ideas that = were inspired, if I may use that term loosely, that need completing, = polishing sequencing and recording. Much of composing is working things = out after the initial inspiration. That is more like craft. Was it = Einstein that said it is 1% inspiration and 99% = perspiration? 

I make it a point to write = every day no matter what. If I end up just staring at a page of lyrics = for 3 minutes and writing one or two words that are pure garbage, I = count that. I figure just putting attention to it will keep it in the = rotation of my subconscious.

On Nov 5, = 2011, at 1:07 PM, stanitarium@earthlink.net = wrote:

Albert Brooks did a weird movie about this and my feeling = is simply sometimes she visits for a long time-sometimes she is nowhere = to be found.

Is that the one with = Sharon Stone?
= --Apple-Mail-6-824239355-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 13:29:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D70A518345C; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 13:29:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EB68BB6.8000305@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 05:29:26 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mark francombe CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 13:29:33 +0000 (UTC) I'm with you on almost everything you wrote here, Mark (which is why I'll do the rare thing of quoting everything you said) and the more I think about it, I think there is a danger of being to anal about this subject. I apologize if I came off stridently! I guess I'm only referring to the live looping festival if I really think about it. And I still think it's okay to impose musical restrictions in a festival setting. After all, I don't want to go see sequencers if I go to a Banjo Festival, right? and, of course, I love many artists who use backing tracks.......hell, for economic reasons most bands in the Goth/Industrial world that I love so much use backing tracks. I even like sequenced synth music that is very, very artificlal sounding, so I"m don't want to come off like a fascist about this subject. I actually listen to a fairly elclectic set of musics on a daily basis: from electronica to acoustic world ethnic music to indie pop to goth/industrial to experimental to classical to jazz to fusion to funk/r&B/hip hop to hard rock and even a fair amount of different genres of metal lately (thanks to a plethora of young students who are into it).....................lol, I'm even busted........I spent an hour watching Joe Satriania videos tonight on youtube after watching his particularly interesting take on the modes So.........I'm still going to lean on people doing things live at the live looping festival but no disrespect to anyone who has a different approach. John Whooley even hipped me to the fact that you can store up to 99 syncrhonized loops on his new Digitech Looper...........he says he goes out and does entire one-person jazz gigs utilizing some prerecorded loops that he's put onto various SD cards. so thanks for the articulate dialectic there. I appreciate it, Mark. yours, Rick On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, mark francombe wrote: > I have a few comments my friend--- > > On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 4:34 AM, Rick Walker > wrote: > > Much is said about audiences not knowing the difference between > someone > hitting play on a computer that has complete tracks stored > > > Yes Waaaay too much! > > My experience is that people really do get, viscerally, when > someone is playing something in real time > that they loop and then play other things against (including other > loops). > > > I think this is partially true. ANYONE who has any musical or > technical interest will probably spot the difference, but I think > there are many many audience members that have NO IDEA what is going > on, on stage, and are just lost in the music, enjoying what they hear. > We dont go to concerts to merit the performers technical ability, we > go there to have a good time. > But after years in the buisines, I think one becomes tainted and a > wonderful artist, who cheats a bit, will seem less interesting to us, > than the oblivious fan, because WE know what they are doing. > > But who is really losing out here? > But I think I can agree that I, like you Rick, am disappointment when > I see a cheat on stage. > > A couple of artists in recent years, who shall remain nameless, > have only played in real time over > loops or samples that were pre-recorded. > > > Indeed, The my old band Cranes had a backing tape for things that we > had created on tapeloops, or spliced together in the studio, or > employed an orchestra for. (Or we couldnt play cos the orginal was > sequnced Piano, that none of us could managed) Which of the above was > a cheat? The last example of course, but then we all better stop using > things like argegiators and sequencers... (Unless we use these boxes > live??? Is that it? Is that the distinction here? > A recorded drum beat, is a cheat, but looped infront of the audience > is not? Do all loops songs have to start with a drum-beat build up > section, while we wait for the song to start? Are we RESTRICTED by the > LIVE part of Live Looping, now, so we cannot use tools that the rest > of the music industry has no problem with? > I'm iffy here... > > The energy of their sets was really markedly different > from the ones that didn't take this approach. > > Of course, our loop festival audiences are not typical > but many people complained about these performances after the > fact. They bothered me, to be honest. > > > But this is context Rick, They are performers at YK LIVE LOOPING > FESTIVAL!!! They damn well better Loop Live! I myself am prone to > using ... er... well just beats actually, but at your request, > refrained from using PRE MADE beats during my performance last year. I > used Arpegiated stuff, I used heavily treated audio from my rather > noisy guitar, but chopped into little fragments and triggered like > beats.. but no actual beats...no actual pre-recorded loops. For the > audience was there a difference? > > But that is the WHOLE POINT of your festival Rick, so there its OK, > its an experiment! > > The fact of the matter is it's infinitely easier to do all of your > looping ahead of your performance > and then just fly them in as is musically suitable. > > > Sure... > > > To me, it's much more dangerous to have to pull all of one's tech > off in front of an audience; > > > Certainly, but does a musical performance HAVE to be dangerous? Does > that make it better? > > That's why , despite the fact that no one could tell from merely a > recording of a performance whether someone > looped live or just flew in pre-recorded loops or samples, I > think there is a huge difference between the two > and this is why I am proud to be a live looping artist. > > > There is a huge difference yes, and I love Live looping!. It has > defined my music for that last 15 years, but we are loopers Rick, I > don't think we need to impose our rules for "keepin it real" on all > other musical genres! You, yourself are big fan of NIN, and although > they do these showy tricks infront of a crowd to show how "live" they > are, the fact is, there is shit-loads on tape, any of Pretty Hate > Machine NEEDS masses of pre-made stuff, it just wouldn't sound the same! > > > This is why I specifically make the distinction that the Y2K > Festivals are Live Looping Festivals > and why I send out a performance agreement before booking people a > spot on the festival. > Out of 11 years of performance only two artists have disregarded > the rules about creating live looping > content in front of the audience. We'll have to have a heart to > heart talk if those artists ever want to > play the festival again. > > > I dont know who these preformers were or what they sounded like, but > shure, if they were sounding like looping, but had it all premade, at > a looping festival, I would agree, but... I dunno.. using premade > stuff, cleverly spun in using technology , at the right moments, in > synch with the song.. Sounds pretty accomplished to me.. in another way... > > > If your answer to this is that, these "other artists" (Like NIN for > example) are not SAYING that they are Live Loopers, so then its ok.. > then.. OK then.. I AM NOT A LIVE LOOPER! I cant be.. I am a musican > playing in a repetitive style, and I create it as I play. > > I am a Repetitive Improvisor! > > Lets not get too anal here? > > Mark > > -- > /_Mark Francombe_/ > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 13:33:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CDAA18345D; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 13:33:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EB68C8D.1070203@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 08:33:01 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Thought Radio Playlist for November 5, 2011. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 13:33:16 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio/playlists/2011/111105.html The Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show has alternating hosts. When I am at the helm, the show is called Thought Radio and you can expect to hear electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am EDT/GMT-4 on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. http://soundscapes.us/afterglow/index.html Show #211 November 5, 2011. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Jonn Serrie Sunday Morning Sunday Morning Peace (Valley Peace Entertainment) VA [Jim Kirkwood] Odin Sequences No. 16 VA [Steve Jolliffe] Zanzi Live Sequences No. 16 Robert Rich Pollen Medicine Box (Soundscape Productions) Remy Belief The Great Church Trilogy (Desert Island Music) Mazmoneth End Game Music by Mirrors (DiN) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Secret Garden Make a Wish Winter Poem (Hearts of Space) Lisbeth Scott Gift Om Sweet Om (Hearts of Space) Lisbeth Scott Release Om Sweet Om (Hearts of Space) Ancient Future Gopi Song World Without Walls (Sona Gaia) Bill Wren and Apocalypse Island Journey Around the Sun (none) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Glass Hammer She, a Lonely Tower Cor Cordium (Arion) The Winter Tree Now That You're The Winter Tree (Progrock) Flown Frequency Drift Dreams Ghosts (Progrock) Riverside Forgotten Land Memories In My Mind (Laser's Edge) Ozric Tentacles Air City Paper Monkeys (Madfish) * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDRs that come with each issue of Sequences electronic music magazine. Bill Fox ======================================================================== Host of Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EDT/GMT-4. Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music. Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Website - http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 13:38:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96DD918345E; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 13:38:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EB68DD0.7070207@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 05:38:24 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chaz worm CC: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Re: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 13:38:29 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, chaz worm wrote: "I will be uploading more looping-type performances soon. I feel very ham-fisted around you guys too but it's really hard to compare what I'm trying to do to most loopers setups." Hey Chaz, This is a really wonderful and generally very accepting and supportive community. Hell, we have newbie sets at the loopfestival in October all the time, purposefully to encourage people to get their act together and put it out in front of a supportive environment. I say post away and don't be shy.........for one thing, it's the surest way to get your act together and to move into more sophistication with your live looping approach. When we did the first live looping monthly gig 16 years ago at Mobo Sushi in Santa Cruz we actually got paid to work out this shit in public. I was so grateful that one person really took an interest and let us work things out at their restaurant. > "I shy away from too much instrument looping too because the way a banjo is setup you are a bit hamstrung melodically from the get-go. (it's that short demon string)." I'm not a banjo player but I've spent dozens of hours in the past year playing one. Frustrated by that demon top string (I was trying to violin bow and dulcimer hammer the bass strings and couldn't get to all the notes I wanted to fret) I took it off the fretboard (and even took out the 5th peg so that I could create a Tenor Banjo out of typical 5 string. I then experimented with about 15 different altered tunings just for fun and to learn more about harmony, finger picking, et. al. It's so cool to turn the instrument back into the instrument it came from in Africa originally, including some of those wonderful Moroccan and Malian scales. So I thought I'd put that out there. And coming full circle, I just traded a guitar synth for a tiny travel banjo with that dreaded 'demon' string and am trying to learn more about playing it traditionally. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 13:42:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EC9B18345E; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 13:42:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=zRivN8kP0NCv8oF31E3prPt7uEeY4rFft/fKSfUXoSQ=; b=uj80iQ/TGfaXQRszl4280qDc4OVYJKIBmP00d4v7pkIbjG8rp3cgmknrfLrNSTRD3B ha0fAtXyyTAN5aCuvILmTpbJGG9zTiFittowi0p8ny2kWIclSDC5Ddf89oWpdxzh81/z M82UFctMjHFDco1STFk5ox24Tkzs0d9pL4/2A= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4EB68BB6.8000305@cruzio.com> References: <4EB68BB6.8000305@cruzio.com> From: todd reynolds Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 08:42:05 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174be34e02907604b1111da4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 13:42:47 +0000 (UTC) --0015174be34e02907604b1111da4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Isn't it just all about the music here? Does the music itself have impact, is it rewarding to play and listen to, whether with recorded loops or live loops? Yes, Rick, I've heard some 'track' musicians who are less lively, but I'm not sure it's because of that, but more because the overall effect is so, not simply because they're going pre-recorded. I do both in varying combinations without subjecting myself to the conversations I think others might have about what's live and what's memorex. Many have cited that the audience often assumes it's ALL track, and that sometimes happens to me too. If I concentrate too much on the question, then the music doesn't get made. I welcome feedback from all sides as to what's effective or not about my music, and if I received some from my brethren and sistren here, or from my girlfriend, I go back to the drawing board to examine it again. I actually find it super rewarding to play the game of integrating live looping with loops I've captured earlier and then trigger at appropriate times. My dos pesos, cheers, all. T. On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > I'm with you on almost everything you wrote here, Mark (which is why I'll > do the rare thing of > quoting everything you said) > and the more I think about it, I think there is a danger of being to anal > about this subject. > I apologize if I came off stridently! > > --0015174be34e02907604b1111da4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Isn't it just all about the music here? Does the music itself have impa= ct, is it rewarding to play and listen to, whether with recorded loops or l= ive loops? =A0Yes, Rick, I've heard some 'track' musicians who = are less lively, but I'm not sure it's because of that, but more be= cause the overall effect is so, not simply because they're going pre-re= corded. =A0=A0

I do both in varying combinations without subjecting myself = to the conversations I think others might have about what's live and wh= at's memorex. Many have cited that the audience often assumes it's = ALL track, and that sometimes happens to me too. =A0If I concentrate too mu= ch on the question, then the music doesn't get made. =A0I welcome feedb= ack from all sides as to what's effective or not about my music, and if= I received some from my brethren and sistren here, or from my girlfriend, = I go back to the drawing board to examine it again. =A0

I actually find it super rewarding to play the game of = integrating live looping with loops I've captured earlier and then trig= ger at appropriate times.

My dos pesos, cheers, al= l. =A0T.

On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Rick Walker = <looppool@cruzi= o.com> wrote:
I'm with you on almost everything you wrote here, Mark (which is why I&= #39;ll do the rare thing of
quoting everything you said)
and the more I think about it, I think there is a danger of =A0being to ana= l about this subject.
I apologize if I came off stridently!


--0015174be34e02907604b1111da4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 13:49:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2523218345A; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 13:48:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=34yMe2ij7ohmD63ZY8cyvJURQ19omx1KrWJ2pnVo9lI=; b=DOyreUwR7pMhmZ3Et2rww7JjLBVlQ6WmHHcmcO6zieKWla+E03Y63t2g/br1Io9dNp HipVMPpFIaUBDFclJH76BaapWH2Js7AI57wnAen7N7ckZkRpKmQfcNd1oticpsheJ7Ji 60JAHy8wYu8xARbyn8Ll8iP/phtXiZT6vhVTU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4EB68DD0.7070207@cruzio.com> References: <4EB68DD0.7070207@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:48:57 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 13:48:58 +0000 (UTC) Guys, your discussion in this thread makes it impossible to hold back this final question: Is it cheating to compose the music before you perform it? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 14:01:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F62E183460; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:01:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EB6931D.4000600@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 09:01:01 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #761 for November 3, 2011. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:01:15 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/111103.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #761 November 3, 2011. WDIY Playlist: http://wdiy.org/shows/playList.jsp?id=7834 On this show, I began a month-long focus on Synth.nl. The Featured CD at Midnight was "AeroDynamics" on Groove Unlimited. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#nov PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Ron Boots and Contemple du Ciel Refuge en Verre (Groove) Synth.nl Jonn Serrie Maiden Voyage Sunday Morning Peace (Valley Entertainment) Robert Rich Helios Medicine Box (Soundscape Prod) Krusseldorf Deep Fulgin From Soil to Space (Aleph Zero) Modulator ESP Dark Places * Dark Places (none) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Synth.nl Scuderia AeroDynamics (Groove) Synth.nl DownForce AeroDynamics (Groove) Synth.nl Maranello AeroDynamics (Groove) Synth.nl SuperSonic AeroDynamics (Groove) Synth.nl Drag AeroDynamics (Groove) Synth.nl Turbulence AeroDynamics (Groove) Synth.nl Stall AeroDynamics (Groove) Synth.nl Modena AeroDynamics (Groove) Synth.nl AeroDynamics AeroDynamics (Groove) Synth.nl Falcon AeroDynamics (Groove) Synth.nl AirFlow AeroDynamics (Groove) Synth.nl Lift AeroDynamics (Groove) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Synth.nl. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "AtmoSphere" on Groove Unlimited. Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org/listen on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 14:03:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D561918345E; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:03:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=QfQRD6zr5S+afEsz3AsTo6ir4iG1pOF11UgWi0fGJI8=; b=p6IUNOmDfejzggFNA7CsI/KW+toDNit5eDsBkDgFzrnF+9Moz57qfULTuSPadiRLKu aMitOZ+MTDwMde910AEpejnaFZMAN1rzmM4XIsPyJojo1CmSnOVLe4kG6AhONjK+6nzA W4VFxFCM9EMC+DGdIBkYT9n8KYCQO+kcCROPU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <4EB68DD0.7070207@cruzio.com> From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 15:03:36 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: yI3-BeIvORQ2RM9wd2l8EStf3SE Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300fb2ffd3304c04b1116864 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:03:58 +0000 (UTC) --20cf300fb2ffd3304c04b1116864 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 My point entirely Per, surely nothing is cheating! Personally I tend to improvise lots, but with pre-prepared ideas and sounds. On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Guys, your discussion in this thread makes it impossible to hold back > this final question: > > Is it cheating to compose the music before you perform it? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf300fb2ffd3304c04b1116864 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My point entirely Per, surely nothing is cheating!
Personally I tend to = improvise lots, but with pre-prepared ideas and sounds.



On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com= > wrote:
Guys, your discussion in this thread makes = it impossible to hold back
this final question:

Is it cheating to compose the music before you perform it?

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen




--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--20cf300fb2ffd3304c04b1116864-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 14:35:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBD97183461; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:35:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=9FBwNbZAWij86MH/HNCG9rqBpz6d0oexKmX6op5yfvg=; b=SOKrTjesN/tRPwTNdDjF13OTpzwS/qPcjIvReGOJunRNf1p4Bb5VhIum5OV8wzWhBN yvC1MLGSyn0YcMlwOMTu+h/WUMHwS6plDFxhc6WJDR3/2bmEnxwLm0exRBQamOU6cUo6 NMJuzh+RV8wRwBuHJJyAU8v2FJ91948aURX4g= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4EB68DD0.7070207@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 09:35:19 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec52999ebfe0eec04b111d8bd Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:35:20 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec52999ebfe0eec04b111d8bd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey now we can define improv! Sorry back to lurk mode :) j On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 9:03 AM, mark francombe wrote: > My point entirely Per, surely nothing is cheating! > Personally I tend to improvise lots, but with pre-prepared ideas and > sounds. > > > > On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> Guys, your discussion in this thread makes it impossible to hold back >> this final question: >> >> Is it cheating to compose the music before you perform it? >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> > > > -- > *Mark Francombe* > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > --bcaec52999ebfe0eec04b111d8bd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey now we can define improv! Sorry back to lurk mode :)

j

On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 9:03 AM, mark francombe <mark@markfranc= ombe.com> wrote:
My point entirely= Per, surely nothing is cheating!
Personally I tend to improvise lots, b= ut with pre-prepared ideas and sounds.



On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Per = Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
Guys, your discus= sion in this thread makes it impossible to hold back
this final question:

Is it cheating to compose the music before you perform it?

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen




--
= Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>

--bcaec52999ebfe0eec04b111d8bd-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 15:59:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFF2F18345F; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 15:59:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=a4lTgRfVqJcyM2YEY+GeoNVJtohRJkR3+kXKRRg0zJc=; b=uyiCEdm0qVvHjyMFAIpXYe4jxhydG3E0UjNoi478aCOH324r6tz5qAMt+rsf3/AYnv p+LZ66gUipbPizNx2V1ZYcOsWLb4V2XtoYmvU0an0jk3Yd5scflo/zAwnmNLrG0R8QUD +k/REb3TbkoFV6m+nq8u8gPbBwf8aOX7rMBC4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 16:59:20 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: OT: hands-off VJ sw From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ra=FCl_Bonell?= To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 15:59:21 +0000 (UTC) hi friends, i've been reading some VJ related posts here & there and would be interested in knowing your experiences about this. what VJ sw, with hands-off capabilities like; playing short clips from a pool at random with, also, random transitions/fx, with or without, live sound affecting clip, are available out there actually? thanks in advance! ra=FCl. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 16:15:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3F3918345E; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 16:15:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2NTG3roZq9IJ2eJja/GIny3RE+YESmqYuy245Ebr4/c=; b=BqiYyEjpCVgXBLm66qgCwC2QGRS8s4nBFMlLmdeIDWp+kBb4z+dEs+al8nGwh7nHGa 9PzWlOWs2yzLqiMZUeIs6EMJFdTIaZfISUYcsxd2h16u1D5G34lFAnuooHyLeD3pEvZe DiHw7nRIUcmZHherdA1R87bNLiOfgTf2rmbqw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 17:15:37 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: hands-off VJ sw From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 16:15:38 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Ra=C3=BCl Bonell wr= ote: > what VJ sw, with hands-off capabilities like; playing short clips from > a pool at random with, also, random transitions/fx, with or without, > live sound affecting clip, are available out there actually? http://www.perboysen.com/cutting-video-in-ableton-live/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 16:27:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0A9218345E; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 16:27:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=hW22CgnvkvrW9q3yv7+TktHBu910g4HT8ilAQoui2bs=; b=Wq3CvBYuU7yxjPM53+Qt67pz8ekukAM+cSSZuEh+nty6mI/lSWJCZLjN5VI183T4/N w2pD9Pg61beY7Jqq7qO6SQOeZV2OxukEBCCvkW/FY+3hrrt1IznzZeav4NtMNEGWP9bG gwF5QEu0sbq07Cz+6brMLSBPQHYdzRuML07EM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 17:27:12 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: SvsfikanxCPDfjEclUiHvUjfah8 Message-ID: Subject: Guitar wiring.. Is this dangerous??? To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300fb0b3521cca04b1136a8f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 16:27:34 +0000 (UTC) --20cf300fb0b3521cca04b1136a8f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 OK, Getting my new GR55 has revealed an issue in the wiring of my guitar that I should rectify. Bit of background: 1) The Gr55 has a straight output direct from the normal pickup, ON the GR30 it was simple, but with the 55, you can choose what comes out of that socket, either normal pickup, modeled tone, or both. I have pretty much decided that I would prefer the modeled tone to come out the synth Outputs, and the normal guitar signal, from this direct out. So, with my regular guitar volume I can at all times get a totally straight sound, in the case of emergencies. But, this socket hums, quite a bit, definately more than with using the GR30, BUT... in recent months, Ive been trying to clean up my signal a bit (Ive always been prone to hiss, hum and distortion) and was blaming the GR30 for this. And my attempts at fixing it a few times (changed some switches that went basically, wondering if I removed some shielding by accident). 2) I also have a Fernandez pickup installed: this requires 9v juice, that I was sick of replacing batteries and (money environment etc) so I have a cable running up from my pedalboard that carries 9v, and goes into a extra jack socket. And finally.. TO THE POINT: When I touch BOTH my strings (should be grounded for hum threw the guitar cable (Are they threw the hex cable, cos I DONT have another regular cable plugged in) AND the metal on the plug from this power supply, two things happen. 1) Hum and hiss disappear, and suddenly my guitar sounds sweet 2) I am electrocuted!!!!! (not alot, just that horrible tingly feeling) The electricity feeling is on te finger touching the power supply not the strings... So my question: Can I connect GROUND inside the guitar (strings etc) to the power supply neg? Remember this IS going into the mains, via a wall wart of course... Is this a safety issue? Or is it a safety issue as it is? The GR55 has a grounding point on it, should I connect that.. to er.. what? The earth on a mains plug? These things tend to introduce hum, in my experience... MArk -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf300fb0b3521cca04b1136a8f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK, Getting my new GR55 has revealed an issue in the wiring of my guitar th= at I should rectify.

Bit of background:
1)
The Gr55 has a stra= ight output direct from the normal pickup, ON the GR30 it was simple, but w= ith the 55, you can choose what comes out of that socket, either normal pic= kup, modeled tone, or both.
I have pretty much decided that I would prefer the modeled tone to come out= the synth Outputs, and the normal guitar signal, from this direct out. So, with my regular guitar volume I can at all times get a totally straigh= t sound, in the case of emergencies.
But, this socket hums, quite a bit, definately more than with using the GR3= 0, BUT... in recent months, Ive been trying to clean up my signal a bit (Iv= e always been prone to hiss, hum and distortion) and was blaming the GR30 f= or this. And my attempts at fixing it a few times (changed some switches th= at went basically, wondering if I removed some shielding by accident).
2)
I also have a Fernandez pickup installed: this requires 9v juice, tha= t I was sick of replacing batteries and (money environment etc) so I have a= cable running up from my pedalboard that carries 9v, and goes into a extra= jack socket.

And finally.. TO THE POINT:

When I touch BOTH my strings (should= be grounded for hum threw the guitar cable (Are they threw the hex cable, = cos I DONT have another regular cable plugged in) AND the metal on the plug= from this power supply, two things happen.

1) Hum and hiss disappear, and suddenly my guitar sounds sweet
2) I = am electrocuted!!!!! (not alot, just that horrible tingly feeling) The elec= tricity feeling is on te finger touching the power supply not the strings..= .

So my question:

Can I connect GROUND inside the guitar (strings = etc) to the power supply neg? Remember this IS going into the mains, via a = wall wart of course...=A0 Is this a safety issue? Or is it a safety issue a= s it is?

The GR55 has a grounding point on it, should I connect that.. to er.. w= hat? The earth on a mains plug?
These things tend to introduce hum, in = my experience...

MArk


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Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--20cf300fb0b3521cca04b1136a8f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 16:34:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C6D418345F; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 16:34:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=qq4YSttQGBvd8QUxu7k6pm/UO9SjbF8H91VCkvi5eSQ=; b=twZTXpNCnpVT5JFFmUC7g2S68X4gLuJSxl2+uzNERNY6TrboF9C+eubGY9x91TSsi+ 5A5jPK2Y3lnmAmuVxO8QWq9H46uiE/o77LKODAkz9JGOexNbqB+JcCRcs6jMjr0E0p7U 8r0s/6QePMtqZLQ9wSM+p2KNmKxivg7O1Ul+g= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:34:45 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Guitar wiring.. Is this dangerous??? From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f23545d136e1f04b1138497 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 16:34:45 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f23545d136e1f04b1138497 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 With sustainer pickups, all of the grounds need to be together. Still, you shouldnt be feeling any shocks, so double check all of the solder points. To me, it sounds like you have a hot thats leaking to ground somewhere. Its most likely with the sustainer, but I dont know. I cant see from where I sit. --e89a8f23545d136e1f04b1138497 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable With sustainer pickups, all of the grounds need to be together. Still, you = shouldnt be feeling any shocks, so double check all of the solder points. T= o me, it sounds like you have a hot thats leaking to ground somewhere. Its = most likely with the sustainer, but I dont know. I cant see from where I si= t.=A0


--e89a8f23545d136e1f04b1138497-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 16:43:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 135E3183460; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 16:43:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=Zv/0Ow/0qxwn3saoyhrtHTT7V82JdGQUDd9aqHUTS6Y=; b=bX3DjubxZFeHcdvniPG4UQjqFcQ0XD9XsYFEIiSNXfDV6dNxFKf3Mwyic6kHtR5hJA sWPWdqa141SidrrOFu7J17sqNgdqKyOJPq6w8ygtokuHbcpsiOXhSZYAh4c9ULAc2vKZ GGxSPIkKH6LQJtnsOVP3BBrWxM/r+tfDMFCZ8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 17:43:07 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: mOqIGyuQTw-dMBm4avoG30cyGGM Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: hands-off VJ sw To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300fb0b33e4f3a04b113a3c7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 16:43:28 +0000 (UTC) --20cf300fb0b33e4f3a04b113a3c7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?cat=56 ...Is a collection of blog posts about this kinda thing.. Me Ive gone for Resolume, and the next version (December) looks very exiting for hands-off. Most VJ software has the opposite in mind however... But if you are using Live, you should definitely consider using Live!! > what VJ sw, with hands-off capabilities like; playing short clips from > > a pool at random with, also, random transitions/fx, with or without, > > live sound affecting clip, are available out there actually? > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf300fb0b33e4f3a04b113a3c7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.mar= kfrancombe.com/wordpress/?cat=3D56

...Is a collection of blog po= sts about this kinda thing.. Me Ive gone for Resolume, and the next version= (December) looks very exiting for hands-off.
Most VJ software has the opposite in mind however...

But if you are = using Live, you should definitely consider using Live!!

> what VJ sw, with hands-off capabilities like; playing short clips from=
> a pool at random with, also, random transitions/fx, with or without, > live sound affecting clip, are available out there actually?


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www.markfrancombe.com
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http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--20cf300fb0b33e4f3a04b113a3c7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 16:48:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11F0C18345E; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 16:48:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=CKBBFOpPYfBSFfEY1Rl9efxuAv/fdt7oFsWUUq3BrLQ= c=1 sm=1 a=jAkZaWEQ9eMA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Jp2CK1l8H9mZxhYZGqsswA==:17 a=pNBHgXbjN4TIW99LFhYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Jp2CK1l8H9mZxhYZGqsswA==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 08:48:55 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3C1BE502-E5FF-4BF1-9C43-247638A8F7D5@charter.net> References: <4EB68BB6.8000305@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 16:48:56 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 6, 2011, at 5:42 AM, todd reynolds wrote: > I actually find it super rewarding to play the game of integrating = live looping with loops I've captured earlier and then trigger at = appropriate times. This sort of represents where my head is at too (and has been for = years). Whatever it takes to take the music that's in your head out into the air = of the real world. Ted= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 16:57:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3978418345E; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 16:57:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=OkcdfPK2ull1Te2qh7bCb6mAsOgh+muXar/Q0ZeLWPA=; b=q5oe2xbRMUbI89zt9l2mPnPkJvnVSaaTL4RGAoMw8IwByEUuAQq3sgNLavwCvwKQWj iBNuJ6vQFsU4vAImRTdvzm8xxjKwHkesqlbbpC8vItv6/tGtk0+ZRq6nofVeda96jlJf EGkxJgspyLO8/LMYdhvbQVOJiwRy+u/s9bJfs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3C1BE502-E5FF-4BF1-9C43-247638A8F7D5@charter.net> References: <4EB68BB6.8000305@cruzio.com> <3C1BE502-E5FF-4BF1-9C43-247638A8F7D5@charter.net> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:57:18 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340785be79ac04b113d47c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 16:57:19 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340785be79ac04b113d47c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Its a question of bandwidth and resource allocation. An inordinate amount of time is needed to record the parts for a complex piece such as Steve Reich's Electric Counterpoint at the beginning of a performance. Add to that the preparation time for learning and practicing the parts all the way through- all but the most attentive listeners with long perceptual ability would retain interest. Hence the need for a prerecorded 'tape.' Same kind of thing with Stockhausen's Kontakte, and many other complex works. Necessity dictates preparation of materials in certain circumstances. I certainly would not call that cheating- in fact I would say it's the opposite. Preparation/practice is not cheating. --14dae9340785be79ac04b113d47c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Its a question of bandwidth and resource allocation. An inordinate amou= nt of time is needed to record the parts for a complex piece such as Steve = Reich's Electric Counterpoint at the beginning of a performance. Add to= that the preparation time for learning and practicing the parts all the wa= y through- all but the most attentive listeners with long perceptual abilit= y would retain interest. Hence the need for a prerecorded 'tape.'= =A0

Same kind of thing with Stockhausen's Kontakte, and many= other complex works. Necessity dictates preparation of materials in certai= n circumstances. I certainly would not call that cheating- in fact I would = say it's the opposite. Preparation/practice is not cheating.

--14dae9340785be79ac04b113d47c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 17:00:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F2EA183453; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 17:00:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=E/CLKoQN9pg9KKWl21eRPYOr6aKc/CV80Cz8wqKIBs4=; b=CV5BKcrvHafGn2yv9HayB+GgcqaVTz8SDYXmIA5mKeLYbH08rCxmx6rB0QOxxua9PV CD16ZQqBS5aNRpAy35HlPqamaI0EnbJZv2I6Gvshl+013vTFGt/plNe0AnwYy7TBHqJz T76+JoejHMiXglyN+wW8rEMlXLgYrGMeW5Mhs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4EB5FC67.3020800@cruzio.com> References: <4EB5FC67.3020800@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 12:00:28 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: livelooping. Ambient. From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340d4b0dd4dc04b113e01e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 17:00:29 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340d4b0dd4dc04b113e01e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Looping is super *popular* if the techniques are in *popular* music. Cubism is implementation(through painting) of a perception of form. Through implementing and designing process that involve looping, I have applied cubist techniques in my looping. Those processes lead to specific outcomes, and since the outcome is specific, I can't call it 'live looping' to identify it, so I call it something else. (btw, cubism was a very popular movement- you can tell because we are still talking about it- and the word is known in every household.) There is no other movement that had the same effect over those years (dada was immediately following and came later.) Even Matisse couldnt produce work that coined a term heard in every household. Another misconception: "not all important musical and art movements are popular ones" If they weren't popular, they wouldnt be call a movement. It would be an 'event' or a 'scene' Art is its own reward! (if not- then call it something else) The comment of "it's really hard to compare what I'm trying to do to most loopers setups" is exactly WHY I look at the term 'live looping' like how I did. I taught guitar for years. The was no point where I said '12 bar blues is behind me.' In fact, I find the form quite liberating. With that being said (written,) since this discussion seems to be orientated around a festival and its definition, then it makes sense in that context. Taken out of that context, it seems to spiral out into areas where other terms are more appropriate. --14dae9340d4b0dd4dc04b113e01e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looping is super popular if the techniques are in popular mus= ic.=A0

Cubism is implementation(through painting) o= f a perception of form. Through implementing and designing process that inv= olve looping, I have applied cubist techniques in my looping. Those process= es lead to specific outcomes, and since the outcome is specific, I can'= t call it 'live looping' to identify it, so I call it something els= e.=A0

(btw, cubism was a very popular movement- you can tell = because we are still talking about it- and the word is known in every house= hold.) There is no other movement that had the same effect over those years= (dada was immediately following and came later.) Even Matisse couldnt prod= uce work that coined a term heard in every household.=A0

Another misconception:
= "not all important musical and art movements are popular ones"=A0=
If they weren't popular, they wouldnt be cal= l a movement. It would be an 'event' or a 'scene'=A0=

Art is its own reward! (if= not- then call it something else)

The comment of = "it's really hard to compare what I'm tr= ying to do to most loopers setups" is exactly WHY I look at the term &= #39;live looping' like how I did. I taught guitar for years. The was no= point where I said '12 bar blues is behind me.' In fact, I find th= e form quite liberating.

With that being said (written= ,) since this discussion seems to be orientated around a festival and its d= efinition, then it makes sense in that context. Taken out of that context, = it seems to spiral out into areas where other terms are more appropriate.= =A0


--14dae9340d4b0dd4dc04b113e01e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 17:16:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4364E18345A; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 17:16:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <224D5300-2863-4918-AB7F-1BB03DA2C048@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Guitar wiring.. Is this dangerous??? Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 09:16:07 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 17:16:14 +0000 (UTC) Only when doing it in the bathtub... but seriously, sounds like your sustainer pickup has a ground issue as inconvenient as it is, I would use the best audio cable you can afford with your regular guitar output jack, and not use the GK cable to pass strait audio, yep, use two cables from your guitar. you can duct tape them together if this idea sounds to cluttered. Why, a simple A/B comparison will reveal a more robust full range sound with the regular guitar lead, and a decidedly thinner sound with the GK cable which uses one tiny strand of its cable to pass guitar audio. You might also get rid of the ground hum in the process. 2 cent from a recovering guitar synthesist (5 years of sobriety) Bill PS any more enthusiastic reviews of the GR55 and I may fall off the wagon. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 17:17:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5798118345A; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 17:17:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=qfURzloJldIYOCX0WMrbIsA4QCrxFXs59oRMPE8oCwg=; b=EKnluudQQVJ8cn8o1o6q4qJ98qmv+iI7s5f2Ady+IKt5g2r1XViYSscD8da9fpxyqq 6bswQNoDxDNKBWV68Jb4p7gIVtOLmuxjaLmNMZbmrwNwxCtWZ5n64f60KY7EJ3WVTkSQ 2CtyaeqgyOzWcw72l2zbWKch91u0r+GxQy2VY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 12:17:05 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Guitar wiring.. Is this dangerous??? From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93407858009a204b1141b7e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 17:17:06 +0000 (UTC) --14dae93407858009a204b1141b7e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 After drinking coffee, this popped back into my head for some reason. I asked myself where'd I look, and I answered "check the leads on the input jack and the battery(power) jack." Also- double check grounding points on the bridge (when the strings affect the ground, this is usually the culprit) --14dae93407858009a204b1141b7e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable After drinking coffee, this popped back into my head for some reason. I ask= ed myself where'd I look, and I answered "check the leads on the i= nput jack and the battery(power) jack." Also- double check grounding p= oints on the bridge (when the strings affect the ground, this is usually th= e culprit)


--14dae93407858009a204b1141b7e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 17:18:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B18418345F; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 17:18:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=KpjyOGOagybQEXfCWo7nSANLht4qwFEPG/3toehpTXI=; b=AktRmu1HlwRVT8XZ6KC3oCIjchfToY3mk84t4zfgO/8D7uT81fXmDEoT4kq9AZTJWJ dRTvZSEOHxDWqmYtrRbxaMhbd+14D7/efIR4NeFSPOEb0/7JiecfcX5Oel9Qbn25qu/o fCh+frBd3mDjEMajI6/eQms1FJRaTRiEepIZY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <224D5300-2863-4918-AB7F-1BB03DA2C048@baymoon.com> References: <224D5300-2863-4918-AB7F-1BB03DA2C048@baymoon.com> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 12:18:09 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Guitar wiring.. Is this dangerous??? From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340d4b523cf404b1141fb9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 17:18:10 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340d4b523cf404b1141fb9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 if its passing DC; then there's an internal issue --14dae9340d4b523cf404b1141fb9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

if its passing DC; then there's an internal issue
--14dae9340d4b523cf404b1141fb9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 18:05:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 226A018345F; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:05:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ECQaJHULuMANgbqGQptDc0DR8j+iuwjJqd4SeSCt0jQ=; b=ok+lg2QosHPEcQH7LshaRK755Vk0xxr5frQU0AeyhZi9fO/08iUQ9Vf5i+XwGUA7hY p7+LZ1Fg5sU/I/uomBG0o9INseXN7MlNkv3ttHqf+iCHVycTROhIl5W8cqr5F66R3nbS TMgmoxoWsxiZCyT8QJXGpDxQVWhUCmE/VvJ6o= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 19:05:02 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Guitar wiring.. Is this dangerous??? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:05:03 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 5:27 PM, mark francombe wrote: > GR55 >From a hands-on laboratory testing perspective I can scientifically approve what Bill says. I too thought it was very convenient to simply use a 20 cm cable and plug the guitar (or in my case "Stick") pickup output right into the GK to blend into the same signal send. But when playing I found that this degenerates the fidelity of the magnetic PU. So I had to rethink my plan and go directly to the amp from the magnetic PUs, in parallel with the Roland GK cable. That sounds so much better, the through-put was just unacceptable. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 18:06:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2EF818345E; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:06:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZB1G5ZZia05jmShVcu8KEHnKQI8Hy0jVRwftTSoGNp0=; b=Vlli6+/hKtFIA+Laquv15gVDE0i4rtmk/zwX4zNA0qZS+K2FA4nwdXCmVSrP5LDGKe ULDNu8FqnbFE0NFnSkN0pZPnQMdfGmgAOjSRJhu0xORr0sa/HEvgDFp2yMYylBetdBM/ Dy3xJIGyuMbnAlr+Cghhz++GtYdGy9eP5k8VQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 19:06:39 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: hands-off VJ sw From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ra=FCl_Bonell?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:06:40 +0000 (UTC) Per, interesting Live procedures. Maybe this is enough for what i need. I could prepare one or two arrange tracks for this matters while using the session view in a live-improv context. Will work on this later. It would be cool if follow actions were available to launch videos on the session view, though... Where's Live driving video output? Computer's default only? I had to click twice on the video to show it fullscreen. Would it be possible to send it to a secondary output? OSX here. Mark, I was testing Resolume last night. Could i use a midi event to launch clips, even in the same 'layer'? This will do the trick.. I could send some midi streams from Numerology or Live.. Have to check out those new 'hands-off' features.. Thanks. By the way, I've downloaded some vj sets of short clips from http://www.archive.org/details/vj_loops to start testing. Thanks guys! Ra=FCl. 2011/11/6, mark francombe : > http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?cat=3D56 > > ...Is a collection of blog posts about this kinda thing.. Me Ive gone for > Resolume, and the next version (December) looks very exiting for hands-of= f. > Most VJ software has the opposite in mind however... > > But if you are using Live, you should definitely consider using Live!! > > > what VJ sw, with hands-off capabilities like; playing short clips from >> > a pool at random with, also, random transitions/fx, with or without, >> > live sound affecting clip, are available out there actually? >> >> > -- > *Mark Francombe* > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > --=20 .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-= .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your imagination, they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. Kim Flint .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 18:17:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 885E318345E; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:17:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=1jicEqp+oeWbNK90aCn7iKuCHK7lfI/Xeh0YsQsFmCw=; b=w4FCCgX37V67Se0KkSgCgPeYk6dGyD27eBn4LUK+15IymZTqXt/xw4MDsA30yzOt6I qdjKvuJp8cllM+ruAAdDUapEULQvISha3nQLak/CKOS1LBPoGVjND+5VI6Zj8B+bwx63 a2C8DQTObxotatsAqG0OuvRI/d1fKWkEy1w/I= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 19:17:51 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: hands-off VJ sw From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ra=FCl_Bonell?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:17:52 +0000 (UTC) Wow! lots of info here.. thanks Mark! 2011/11/6, mark francombe : > http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?cat=56 > > ...Is a collection of blog posts about this kinda thing.. -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 18:18:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CBC518345F; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:18:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1qA3SV3mZgT638YDFd+4DM1HIrAqsnKMdulk/uctbpg=; b=B8cbbR1onjlK0kMYbMSb9YwJtS/ibdmb4lPKr6K6KmeyKx9NoxaAJKL5O3XkMgQ1/a oXGHCt1ZCacxumyzfGJVXBWkjB54fiT4AKFSQYKFHWQrPdnfFsLWatm2CpTqkyksz8j/ LBqhGBvKCnBDp20lAMW0ereFRf+z5D6jSSYdo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 19:18:40 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: hands-off VJ sw From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:18:40 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Ra=C3=BCl Bonell wr= ote: > It would be cool if follow actions were available to launch > videos on the session view, though... Go ahead and try! Back when I made that post video clips did not work in session view, only in arrange view. But since then Live has matured a lot with every new upgrade. The rest of your question I can't tell as fast as the manual on your drive would tell ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 18:24:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1FDA18345D; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:24:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=xgrCt7pYcCHU+p81/LkAKLss/h6Ju1/dZY0RVmbbY8c=; b=CFxhoSp8TVrX0V3P+PILwrkuV+P69oYzjtqYRCszfiNR6xdTb5dgk6VzQbcT/plYPc C+3AvpPnDkw5UCcniw+8LGzOzyrfpm6Fte9rscZcofzzYYi1XcV2uTGJwLvgbpWzVUpx UnMpVbxziSfHcItDOcYCA3WAXU3xk+4VuxO9Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 13:24:27 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Guitar wiring.. Is this dangerous??? From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340def6dd12a04b1150c73 Resent-Message-ID: <5YRZ6B.A.9YC.cDttOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:24:28 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340def6dd12a04b1150c73 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yeah. It swings the impedance to some funky value running through that device. Always best to bypass as many components as possible whenever possible. Cheers /goodluck *Billy* On Nov 6, 2011 1:05 PM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 5:27 PM, mark francombe > wrote: > > GR55 > > From a hands-on laboratory testing perspective I can scientifically > approve what Bill says. I too thought it was very convenient to simply > use a 20 cm cable and plug the guitar (or in my case "Stick") pickup > output right into the GK to blend into the same signal send. But when > playing I found that this degenerates the fidelity of the magnetic PU. > So I had to rethink my plan and go directly to the amp from the > magnetic PUs, in parallel with the Roland GK cable. That sounds so > much better, the through-put was just unacceptable. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > --14dae9340def6dd12a04b1150c73 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yeah.=A0 It swings the impedance to some funky value running through tha= t device. Always best to bypass as many components as possible whenever pos= sible.

Cheers /goodluck
Billy

On Nov 6, 2011 1:05 PM, "Per Boysen" &= lt;perboysen@gmail.com> wrote= :
On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 5:27 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
> GR55

>From a hands-on laboratory testing perspective I can scientifically
approve what Bill says. I too thought it was very convenient to simply
use a 20 cm cable and plug the guitar (or in my case "Stick") pic= kup
output right into the GK to blend into the same signal send. But when
playing I found that this degenerates the fidelity of the magnetic PU.
So I had to rethink my plan and go directly to the amp from the
magnetic PUs, in parallel with the Roland GK cable. That sounds so
much better, the through-put was just unacceptable.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen

--14dae9340def6dd12a04b1150c73-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 18:25:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA39A18345C; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:25:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=vbMRCfhnfl/1pRB05IwxrteeLUc2afrzSwug46aqRr4=; b=emmXfd4pSFDYqvdCfgW8omAmmUjPX1S7KNYKp3CybpGS5siEEiOxo38YoE94d2vmXd BfMuOXwMawIy0po2Hu35pusFmD1tEsckVx3pW+IUsr3sN98aIfWcD+9211BNqkdyy+tQ 4j3LnK90ZZFRnX5nz2kyQbkEIZXtchI3NfIWM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 19:24:39 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: J6W_jUFUwQGBMpw_L3irS7pongE Message-ID: Subject: Re: Guitar wiring.. Is this dangerous??? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300e4fbf5c29ea04b1150e1d Resent-Message-ID: <4-kHD.A.WfC.8DttOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:25:00 +0000 (UTC) --20cf300e4fbf5c29ea04b1150e1d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well, thats another issue. Im sure you are right Bill (and Per) Im afraid that my guitar tech disconected the regular output years ago and Ive been using the HEX cable ever since. I remember not exactly why, and now I feel like I better have that looked at as well, I think William gave me the advice I needed, and Im just gonna have to open her up and enter that vipers nest... I think that Ill leave it for a week though, I better devote some time to this... But my main concern was safety: I will paraphrase. Would you connect the ground (or rather NEG) on a 9v Wall Wart power cable with the ground on a guitar? This WILL fix my hum problem, but Im dont know if its legal. M So I had to rethink my plan and go directly to the amp from the > magnetic PUs, in parallel with the Roland GK cable. That sounds so > much better, the through-put was just unacceptable. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > Incidentely Per, On that issue: SO that means that you are simply muting the Normal guitar pickup IN the GR55 and only having the 2 synth tones and the Modeled sound coming from the 55 ikke sant? And having regular pickups coming down the guitar cable, effected from external effects? -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf300e4fbf5c29ea04b1150e1d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, thats another issue. Im sure you are right Bill (and Per) Im afraid t= hat my guitar tech disconected the regular output years ago and Ive been us= ing the HEX cable ever since. I remember not exactly why, and now I feel li= ke I better have that looked at as well,

I think William gave me the advice I needed, and Im just gonna have to = open her up and enter that vipers nest... I think that Ill leave it for a w= eek though, I better devote some time to this...

But my main concer= n was safety: I will paraphrase.

Would you connect the ground (or rather NEG) on a 9v Wall Wart power ca= ble with the ground on a guitar? This WILL fix my hum problem, but Im dont = know if its legal.

M


So I had to rethink my plan and go directly to the amp from the
magnetic PUs, in parallel with the Roland GK cable. That sounds so
much better, the through-put was just unacceptable.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen

Incidentely Per,=A0 On th= at issue: SO that means that you are simply muting the Normal guitar pickup= IN the GR55 and only having the 2 synth tones and the Modeled sound coming= from the 55 ikke sant? And having regular pickups coming down the guitar c= able, effected from external effects?


--
Mark Francombe
= www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr= .com/photos/24478662@N00/

--20cf300e4fbf5c29ea04b1150e1d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 18:27:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CC1B18345F; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:27:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Re: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Gans In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 10:27:52 -0800 Cc: David Gans Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1236C5E3-E868-4871-BCE3-66062C4D06E8@trufun.com> References: <4EB68BB6.8000305@cruzio.com> <3C1BE502-E5FF-4BF1-9C43-247638A8F7D5@charter.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:27:56 +0000 (UTC) I never ever pre-record anything. I have several loop-based = compositions, each built on a simple rhythm guitar figure and each with = a collection of musical gestures that are introduced in varying order. I = build the piece differently each time, with new ideas, space for = improvisation, etc. And I also use looping as an accompaniment for more straightforward = songs, Here, I am recording the changes so I can play a solo. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 18:28:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07D8E183463; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:28:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=gdB6O0NoHZm9+BHYItRqDeuqkg/mElgzBI46z1P6m1U=; b=ACzAKY8YZjNP3uThh1iGxVdXbgzJlq1ZOrskegI90LhN5yrcAofOfGyF7NHMdP0/sY nxxHijN+eyoxFO7zFplLTxVRph5BSfCTPgm8JF9xuPcc/oNF9mfv4wSJpWucKBtGb2uG KDeyYjs/cnbrwD/3c1uj5KeMwy4Es/M7BY4nc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 19:28:02 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: R7KG7i0Ak8UTYQBLQuC0sUsQ8ts Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: hands-off VJ sw To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300fb2ff77b0d104b1151a07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:28:24 +0000 (UTC) --20cf300fb2ff77b0d104b1151a07 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Ra=FCl Bonell wrote= : > Mark, I was testing Resolume last night. Could i use a midi event to > launch clips, even in the same 'layer'? This will do the trick.. I > could send some midi streams from Numerology or Live.. Have to check > out those new 'hands-off' features.. Thanks. > Yes, I believe you can, but you would have to explicitly map a note to a clip, but if you had 25 clips (8columns on 3 layers) you would get 3 octaves covered in one key.. that should be crazy! Just guessing tho... M --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf300fb2ff77b0d104b1151a07 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Ra=FCl Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrot= e:
Mark, I was testing Resolume last night. Could i use a mid= i event to
launch clips, even in the same 'layer'? This will do the trick.. I<= br> could send some midi streams from Numerology or Live.. Have to check
out those new 'hands-off' features.. Thanks.

Yes, I believe you can, but you would have to = explicitly map a note to a clip, but if you had 25 clips (8columns on 3 lay= ers) you would get 3 octaves covered in one key.. that should be crazy!

Just guessing tho...


M

--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--20cf300fb2ff77b0d104b1151a07-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 18:39:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99CE9183479; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:39:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=t87UxJDid/ls88wbMWIpjpScicj5FymDq8DctGiD+R8=; b=nk2FL034zstd9IxEYWrAeIIRmFnV9Q2p7ox90FWFbf78OS3vSreDKNHn57KSG7vp45 4QOTNe/hLt7M7ofijYtbNkwAOHf0Xe8N/ZM/jGs8fNUGsOdWiDQk6CzjO8ymNdn76Vs3 VGoGJCySULRPAXsMblb5ZEmd/e80JYbhhci9M= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 19:39:20 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: hands-off VJ sw From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ra=FCl_Bonell?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:39:21 +0000 (UTC) 2011/11/6, Per Boysen : > Go ahead and try! Back when I made that post video clips did not work > in session view, only in arrange view. But since then Live has matured > a lot with every new upgrade. Test done! Live 8.2, videos only in the arrange view yet. > The rest of your question I can't tell as fast as the manual on your > drive would tell ;-) Manual read! They state it's possible to drive video output to a secondary monitor, after maximizing the small video screen. But don't explain how. I guess as you would do with other apps.. i.e. windows of your DAW, etc. OS regular stuff ... > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > -- .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your imagination, they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. Kim Flint .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 18:47:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 280D0183494; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:47:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=K5PefBpfpsSjVnDsd8P9MpE0hwLGooLJVeZXGGaLoEM=; b=ooflemrxZzqsX1mFLj2IL5E1ytfOPedNN5LoARMgYjvrT5/JejYlimUw8Lw1LTD32/ F3q14UADHrRNZF4duhl6MdRDTkSR+I+Mh6BrMnbn72DaDK0FW0MkTCaNXfnPvJKuZ5se I/kMLyaKzrv6ipcye2sULEMeyN2nq8ymMZtaM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 19:47:51 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Guitar wiring.. Is this dangerous??? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <2T34pB.A.RID.XZttOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:47:52 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 7:24 PM, mark francombe wro= te: > Incidentely Per,=C2=A0 On that issue: SO that means that you are simply m= uting > the Normal guitar pickup IN the GR55 and only having the 2 synth tones an= d > the Modeled sound coming from the 55 ikke sant? And having regular pickup= s > coming down the guitar cable, effected from external effects? Yes, exactly so! I also found that the general fidelity of the GR55 output (all of them) is a bit dodgy. But wet blankets are fine for complement as long as you don't wrap up just about everything in them :-)) There is also a hell of a lot hiss coming out of the GR55's outputs. But again, that's only a problem if you just leave it like that. I slapped noise gates on the amp input to silence the GR55 when not in use. Hiss can sound cool though if layered together with synth sounds. If you listen for GR55 hiss on this recording it actually is a lot: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4963264/Forest.mp3 ...but sounds ok anyway as it is layered with warm sound pads. The GK cable is also vulnerable and might induce crackling noise when moved in certain ways. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 18:51:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94B5A18349E; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:51:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=E09ocZw9dpHijZx1I5Vut4+fFIjTz/EP+dfCrUox0Rk=; b=rLbYxyE4JAURSMsfTVWNe3EwRxScqJwDM+U0STZ9egDJYbZcWPEH8VA75gr+XwN7Sf c7TnSQrnGGoJPU3A7nCp82Fpl7r52ilFUSrob8W4DfhA/7GU0oIo4SD43njNI8buKBjB rGLbRrOSNnHR7f+hbUBTDHCsoEQURTcRCAMNI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 19:51:51 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: hands-off VJ sw From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ra=FCl_Bonell?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:51:52 +0000 (UTC) 2011/11/6, mark francombe : > Yes, I believe you can, but you would have to explicitly map a note to a > clip, but if you had 25 clips (8columns on 3 layers) you would get 3 > octaves covered in one key.. that should be crazy! > > Just guessing tho... I have to test this. But, wouldn't be 8x3=3D24, thus 2 octaves? Anyhow, I'm thinking about the Random Note Generator, MIDI plugin in Live, which I think can fill those ranges easily without much CPU consumption. What about projectors? Some favorites here already? Thanks! Ra=FCl. --=20 .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-= .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your imagination, they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. Kim Flint .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 18:51:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E22E1834B1; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:51:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=p6eQg1heTz0PQElW7RsPnRhZ0o+shTMzKl3VzDAOBzk=; b=Qr5tvRu0fM0jnGZ+b60Akhqce7rkkKPjPnplSaS2Z7n5oZ8r54AVeqaBzjKhYWpKLZ ipZFEuIAvf0ep5W7E+ckydFLEx8nIJpXN9VM+9te+1W3mPUKGTkGAobe+Tu6aEoQmHjz f/H7+tlxsQVgpebN1rzENWgCvAL56AfUh8rZk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 13:51:57 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Guitar wiring.. Is this dangerous??? From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9341151c033a704b1156e02 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:51:58 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9341151c033a704b1156e02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 "Would you connect the ground (or rather NEG) on a 9v Wall Wart power cable with the ground on a guitar? This WILL fix my hum problem, but Im dont know if its legal." Would I? No, I use a battery (power supplies fail without warning, wires get frayed, etc. actually, little of the decision would be safety oriented as long as the supply was 300mA or less.) But that ground on the power source NEEDS to go to the central ground to function properly (usually all grounds are wired to the back of the vol. pot.) Do that, and you should be fine. --14dae9341151c033a704b1156e02 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Would you con= nect the ground (or rather NEG) on a 9v Wall Wart power cable with the grou= nd on a guitar? This WILL fix my hum problem, but Im dont know if its legal= ."

Would I?= No, I use a battery (power supplies fail without warning, wires get frayed= , etc. actually, little of the decision would be safety oriented as long as= the supply was 300mA or less.)

But= that ground on the power source NEEDS to go to the central ground to funct= ion properly (usually all grounds are wired to the back of the vol. pot.) D= o that, and you should be fine.

--14dae9341151c033a704b1156e02-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 19:58:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6863D18345E; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 19:58:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=YdmI3SkgDdMDqOp4mYU99dLmtxXcRvtlhgcwU+f25/A=; b=Pbe1pdP25WelXtqAQPLaBZiGBfVn/QrrptpL/jLO9ob+OxkRQIru8++4L26eNSyGxK sT0X+8TJC9UpPomjkSboDLkZMA6eHMaiCSPgyaqqwDmwjGYk6Kgefars3St2CZavRN30 9empHP7PoDjvZovFI5NutgzgOp2KEulfrdnL4= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:58:44 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <93A78674-0D72-4555-8A64-BF8E0372C4BB@gmail.com> References: <4EB68BB6.8000305@cruzio.com> <3C1BE502-E5FF-4BF1-9C43-247638A8F7D5@charter.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 19:58:54 +0000 (UTC) It's funny to read so much talk about definitions... when for me, after = coming back to music after a 15+ year absence, I am invigorated by = seeing previous definitions falling away. That said, when I think of anything LIVE, I think there must be the = possibility of the train derailing. That's what makes watching a = performance so compelling. SO within that, I think it's perfectly fine = to include pre-made loops, pre-made roadmaps, anything at all, in a = performance... as long as spontaneity is a fundamental. Milli-Vanilli style lip-synching, and the loopy equivalents of that, are = exactly the opposite: it is about ensuring that the train cannot derail, = that there is no possibility of spontaneity whatsoever. I admire folks who can only improvise, walk onstage with NO plan... but = the other side of that is a feeling that perhaps one is lazy, and may = have fear around committing to the process of building solid ideas. Just = saying, there are two sides to each side... and composing is hard, and = requires courage as well. Reality is that most of us live somewhere = between the two absolutes. One interesting area omitted so far is the notion of loop-based = heightened reality, as in some of Andre LaFosse's recordings: based on = EDP improvs (live and uncut though without an audience) which were = subsequently nipped and tucked, for better symmetries, tighter motion = and so on... even some overdubbing to enhance certain passages... = Certainly Andre has earned his stripes as a live looper by any = definition... but these recordings are certainly not live... yet I = really love that notion of taking something raw and making a polished = artifact from it... Phil :) On Nov 6, 2011, at 8:57 AM, william middlemiss wrote: >=20 > Its a question of bandwidth and resource allocation. An inordinate = amount of time is needed to record the parts for a complex piece such as = Steve Reich's Electric Counterpoint at the beginning of a performance. = Add to that the preparation time for learning and practicing the parts = all the way through- all but the most attentive listeners with long = perceptual ability would retain interest. Hence the need for a = prerecorded 'tape.'=20 >=20 > Same kind of thing with Stockhausen's Kontakte, and many other complex = works. Necessity dictates preparation of materials in certain = circumstances. I certainly would not call that cheating- in fact I would = say it's the opposite. Preparation/practice is not cheating. >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 20:08:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A7067183453; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 20:08:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=X/gNs4UVylE7+Vx6qGAThGP3nyIFTMv4OpHLIQ+Ovr8= c=1 sm=2 a=hPOMQuTX-tQA:10 a=agWTFdhlyG4A:10 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=OUXYneDTAAAA:8 a=CEXbF9FuxxmSW2f2sDcA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=053Au2P4wpAA:10 a=JdBoxiSUGRdrk2E4g_4A:9 a=KkFxKwKBTH7aEP04muQA:7 X-Telus-Outbound-IP: 64.180.201.44 From: richard sales Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-853036432 Subject: Re: Guitar wiring.. Is this dangerous??? Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 12:08:56 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 20:08:59 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-853036432 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii you can try reversing any ungrounded (not 3 prong) plugs. I have an old = amp that does that (a 1972 Marshall 50 watt head). If I turn the two = prong plug (where ground=3Dneutral) one way I get shocked, the other I = don't. This doesn't, and shouldn't happen on grounded plugs, and I = don't use ground lifters any more. =20 When it's wrong, current runs through me (via guitar strings) and into = the mixer (Digidesign C24) which is NOT good at all - for me or the = mixer.=20 I suspect with the Marshall somehow the hot and neutral (or neutral and = ground) are getting futzed inside the Marshall but don't know enough = about amps or AC power to know why. I need to have the Marshall rewired = with a true ground lug. But in the meantime, reversing the old school = two prong plug works like a charm - less noise, less (actually, no) = electroshock therapy. =20 I have marked the Marshall plug so I know which side is supposed to be = hot and which neutral/ground. Just a thought for a quick, cheap solution. richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.goodnaturefarms.com On Nov 6, 2011, at 8:34 AM, william middlemiss wrote: > With sustainer pickups, all of the grounds need to be together. Still, = you shouldnt be feeling any shocks, so double check all of the solder = points. To me, it sounds like you have a hot thats leaking to ground = somewhere. Its most likely with the sustainer, but I dont know. I cant = see from where I sit.=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-1-853036432 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii you = can try reversing any ungrounded (not 3 prong) plugs.  I have an = old amp that does that (a 1972 Marshall 50 watt head).  If I turn = the two prong plug (where ground=3Dneutral) one way I get shocked, the = other I don't.  This doesn't, and shouldn't happen on grounded = plugs, and I don't use ground lifters any more. =  

When it's wrong, current runs through me (via = guitar strings) and into the mixer (Digidesign C24) which is NOT good at = all - for me or the mixer. 

I suspect with = the Marshall somehow the hot and neutral (or neutral and ground) are = getting futzed inside the Marshall but don't know enough about amps or = AC power to know why.  I need to have the Marshall rewired with a = true ground lug.  But in the meantime, reversing the old school two = prong plug works like a charm - less noise, less (actually, no) = electroshock therapy.   

I have = marked the Marshall plug so I know which side is supposed to be hot and = which neutral/ground.

Just a thought for a = quick, cheap solution.

richard sales
<= font class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#908E38">www.richardsales.com
= www.goodnaturefarms.com=











On Nov 6, 2011, at 8:34 AM, william middlemiss = wrote:

With sustainer pickups, all of the grounds need to be = together. Still, you shouldnt be feeling any shocks, so double check all = of the solder points. To me, it sounds like you have a hot thats leaking = to ground somewhere. Its most likely with the sustainer, but I dont = know. I cant see from where I sit. 



= --Apple-Mail-1-853036432-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 20:13:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 703A118345F; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 20:13:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=1CgngbHwFJ6xWZFSGxYus68cnKIJZSTffWogc2G5FTk=; b=uyQR0nHzIqifcGHA6FeSL3AHHax9kkYmrxmReoDyXjS/C1/s2gnlHACKtOl5AzuYrj wN6XhrYyU20TvXH1Nuzsf8gsJmNvh6S9DdY8V/HWUlHHiMG8Xn4GuQmhaFHdQKiXomzp ml59/3zohgb4S+cPyI2kH9H5ybcZDXYqy0ow8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <93A78674-0D72-4555-8A64-BF8E0372C4BB@gmail.com> References: <4EB68BB6.8000305@cruzio.com> <3C1BE502-E5FF-4BF1-9C43-247638A8F7D5@charter.net> <93A78674-0D72-4555-8A64-BF8E0372C4BB@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 15:13:18 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151773e0feb32ed404b11691b0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 20:13:19 +0000 (UTC) --00151773e0feb32ed404b11691b0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sounds like me in my waning years now :) but I have fun making noise and sometimes a nice little tune will pop out! j On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > perhaps one is lazy, and may have fear around committing to the process of > building solid ideas > > Phil :) > > > > On Nov 6, 2011, at 8:57 AM, william middlemiss wrote: > > Preparation/practice is not cheating. > > > > --00151773e0feb32ed404b11691b0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds like me in my waning years now :) but I have fun making noise and so= metimes a nice little tune will pop out!

j


On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Phil Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail.co= m> wrote:
=A0
per= haps one is lazy, and may have fear around committing to the process of bui= lding solid ideas

Phil :)



On Nov 6, 2011, at 8:57 AM, william middlemiss wrote:

Preparation/practice is not cheating.
>


--00151773e0feb32ed404b11691b0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 20:14:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF25218345E; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 20:14:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Stephen Goodman" From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <4EB68DD0.7070207@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 20:14:54 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 20:14:56 +0000 (UTC) Per, You might as well ask if composition of a piece that includes looping as part of a non-improvised process is possible. Well, yeah! -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 1:48 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops Guys, your discussion in this thread makes it impossible to hold back this final question: Is it cheating to compose the music before you perform it? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 20:37:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3EA118345E; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 20:37:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=FBQI7bpPCpzsgMcKyD9levc8RA25zp079THgwxZtWtM=; b=IHunORImf4sCxBgFAXfwpOcD5Am1/0tkmjViIRaJZG03vUoCq3ynMbDGBgJ9IXUOIs cF4icDKcro0hD2QrirTjLggNN+ejv0WYlY9e5A3wC/erG/oxOvZLz4p/jcKbPzxUC4MF BjE+mrgQKcAXV1SLaq3VRBHarrCcx81h5yoqg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 15:37:36 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Guitar wiring.. Is this dangerous??? From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340def9b248704b116e806 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 20:37:37 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340def9b248704b116e806 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Please dont go cheap and quick with ac current! replace 2 prong plugs asap! especially with tube amps. Cheap and quick is never safe with electricity. The last time I used a 2 prong plug on an amp, I nearly killed myself. I unplugged the cable at the end of a session with a friend, and dropped the cable to the floor like I had so many times before... The cable hit a mic stand base, and created an arc that put a hole right through the plug on the end of the cable! Clean through! A hole 1/4" in diameter! This means that I had the hot end of the plate potential (voltage) going through the tip of the plug. I was barefoot, drinking an iced coffee dripping with condensation, and touching metal equipment that was all turned on. I honestly have no idea how I did not electrocute myself. Even if you try it, and feel a slight tingle right after plugging in something; with time that unreleased energy can build up to stupidly high levels. It just sits there waiting to find a way to ground to be discharged. That amp I wrote of above was a 5-8w Silvertone. A 50 watt Marshall has voltages 4-5 times higher on the plates. With Mark's power supply question, we were writing of 9v dc with 200-300mA. With that amp, were talking 400-500 VOLTS AC internal voltage and in the power section theres a matter of 10AMPS of current. Be careful. There are many reasons why guitar players are the only people stupid enough to keep using thermionic technology (I say lovingly.) Efficiency and safety are the big two reasons why everybody else was in a rush to move on. --14dae9340def9b248704b116e806 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please dont go cheap and quick with ac current! replace 2 prong plugs asap!= especially with tube amps. Cheap and quick is never safe with electricity.=

The last time I used a 2 prong plug on an amp, I nearly= killed myself. I unplugged the cable at the end of a session with a friend= , and dropped the cable to the floor like I had so many times before...

The cable hit a mic stand base, and created an arc that= put a hole right through the plug on the end of the cable! Clean through! = A hole 1/4" in diameter!

This means that I ha= d the hot end of the plate potential (voltage) going through the tip of the= plug. I was barefoot, drinking an iced coffee dripping with condensation, = and touching metal equipment that was all turned on. I honestly have no ide= a how I did not electrocute myself.=A0

Even if you try it, and feel a slight tingle right afte= r plugging in something; with time that unreleased energy can build up to s= tupidly high levels. It just sits there waiting to find a way to ground to = be discharged.=A0

That amp I wrote of above was a 5-8w Si= lvertone. A 50 watt Marshall has voltages 4-5 times higher on the plates.

With Ma= rk's power supply question, we were writing of 9v dc with 200-300mA. Wi= th that amp, were talking 400-500 VOLTS AC internal voltage and in the powe= r section theres a matter of 10AMPS of current. Be careful.=A0

There are m= any reasons why guitar players are the only people stupid enough to keep us= ing thermionic technology (I say lovingly.) Efficiency and safety are the b= ig two reasons why everybody else was in a rush to move on.=A0
--14dae9340def9b248704b116e806-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 21:30:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C77A18345D; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 21:30:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=BXuxjnkiwfkawZ58zetrS8WlbpmSaUiEaIQp4i5awuA=; b=HZEXb9AV0TZA/16xM1iFaF824NaONnXGLJzYDTGg0BYa63Mfo1Uv8R3/BoZdJCmmyU Hi8suiBd6dhqTuZVd2wU5Hu18i8lsFXaiBXiGKjXSp1gY5ztvjOGzyw+wtUojSccmyCD Dhqh9gcVKHhqgsxGkAm782joyxJffq0D3m9E4= From: Phil Clevenger Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-857925113 Subject: Re: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 13:30:24 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <4EB68BB6.8000305@cruzio.com> <3C1BE502-E5FF-4BF1-9C43-247638A8F7D5@charter.net> <93A78674-0D72-4555-8A64-BF8E0372C4BB@gmail.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 21:30:31 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-857925113 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii HA Jeff me too... :) On Nov 6, 2011, at 12:13 PM, Jeff Duke wrote: > Sounds like me in my waning years now :) but I have fun making noise = and sometimes a nice little tune will pop out!=20 >=20 > j >=20 >=20 > On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Phil Clevenger = wrote: > =20 > perhaps one is lazy, and may have fear around committing to the = process of building solid ideas >=20 > Phil :) >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Nov 6, 2011, at 8:57 AM, william middlemiss wrote: >=20 > Preparation/practice is not cheating. > > >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-1-857925113 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii HA Jeff me too... :)

On Nov 6, 2011, at 12:13 PM, Jeff Duke wrote:

Sounds like me in my waning years now :) but I have fun making noise and sometimes a nice little tune will pop out!

j


On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Phil Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
 
perhaps one is lazy, and may have fear around committing to the process of building solid ideas

Phil :)



On Nov 6, 2011, at 8:57 AM, william middlemiss wrote:

Preparation/practice is not cheating.
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--Apple-Mail-1-857925113-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 21:37:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22A9C18345D; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 21:37:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EB6FE00.7020504@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 13:37:04 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Per Boysen , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Re: Re: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8ovpmB.A.fJG.G4vtOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 21:37:11 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Guys, your discussion in this thread makes it impossible to hold back > this final question: > > Is it cheating to compose the music before you perform it? LOL, that's a good and funny question. Of course not. But I also think that one's intentions in art have some impact on the art. In other words, if you are setting out to break the world speed record for flatpicking (as I saw on a particularly funny and odious video on youtube last night) and you play a Beatles song on an old beater acoustic guitar you have sort of failed, haven't you? If you come to headline a live looping festival and you don't make a single loop in real time in front of the audience and merely play over triggered samples and loops, then that's a 'fail' in my book. As I said in my last thread, I was really only talking about the live looping festival and not at all about all music. I'm passionate and opinionated at times, but I'm not that black and white about the subject of music. I absolutely love composed music and, if the truth be told, I've been working for the last year on a project that is entirely composed.............there may not even be looping in it at all......whooooaaaaaaah!!!! rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 22:09:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C924518345E; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 22:09:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=RuNnY9Eguw6Z1jyAQWVw5cuL2VK6ZYYroOAwhHklsWg=; b=MjVANrSefo5tNWc0cTLO1V+LSTIR9e102YYXcWHUhZQKjYG5C4hvj5cV5RoOMZWuaF LvcegkOz2+i19hJtZVwEspWAjnnMjm3MByD5lnAxit+47mhcLonSi6c4mkaR1ydsRwZ+ +4K2jAlcEA5o7AwAlNx0g3tCeUnGJ/chTfzi0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4EB6FE00.7020504@cruzio.com> References: <4EB6FE00.7020504@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 17:08:59 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Re: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93407856c3af704b1182f12 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 22:09:00 +0000 (UTC) --14dae93407856c3af704b1182f12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Intentions are mechanisms that act as catalysts for artistic constructions. Intentions are the art. When an artist intends to say something, and says another, it is evident. Its more evident when the artist succeeds and meets the intention with creation through implementation of artistic techniques and processes. It is even more evident when an artist fails to meet intention with creation through implementation of artistic techniques and processes.. --14dae93407856c3af704b1182f12 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Intentions are mechanisms that act as catalysts for artistic constructions.= Intentions are the art. When an artist intends to say something, and says = another, it is evident.

=A0Its more evident when the art= ist succeeds and meets the intention with creation through implementation o= f artistic techniques and processes.

=A0It is even more evident when an artist fails to meet= intention with creation through implementation of artistic techniques and = processes..=A0
--14dae93407856c3af704b1182f12-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 22:53:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C807E18345E; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 22:53:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_6d297501-ed42-4c06-ba44-e95daf14056f_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 22:53:03 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4EB6FE00.7020504@cruzio.com> References: ,<4EB6FE00.7020504@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Nov 2011 22:53:04.0444 (UTC) FILETIME=[D7CE07C0:01CC9CD6] Resent-Message-ID: <8CVDgC.A.qgH.R_wtOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 22:53:05 +0000 (UTC) --_6d297501-ed42-4c06-ba44-e95daf14056f_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BUT if i start with 6 "canned" loops in=2C for example=2C my octatrack and = i then start out to mangle and resample them in an Improvised live manner= =2C then it would be live looping again.. sort of..With the right peice of = gear pre-recorded loops are more like waweforms... you can create totally n= ew improvesed music where the loops are just the starting points.. I will r= ecord a peice like this as soon as a have time and you can judge if it qual= ifies as live looping :-)=20 > Date: Sun=2C 6 Nov 2011 13:37:04 -0800 > From: looppool@cruzio.com > To: perboysen@gmail.com=3B Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Re: Re: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops >=20 > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM=2C Per Boysen wrote: > > Guys=2C your discussion in this thread makes it impossible to hold back > > this final question: > > > > Is it cheating to compose the music before you perform it? >=20 > LOL=2C that's a good and funny question. Of course not. >=20 > But I also think that one's intentions in art have some impact on the art= . >=20 > In other words=2C if you are setting out to break the world speed record= =20 > for flatpicking > (as I saw on a particularly funny and odious video on youtube last=20 > night) and > you play a Beatles song on an old beater acoustic guitar you have sort=20 > of failed=2C haven't you? >=20 > If you come to headline a live looping festival and you don't make a=20 > single loop in real time > in front of the audience and merely play over triggered samples and=20 > loops=2C then that's a > 'fail' in my book. >=20 > As I said in my last thread=2C I was really only talking about the live= =20 > looping festival > and not at all about all music. >=20 > I'm passionate and opinionated at times=2C but I'm not that black and=20 > white about the subject of > music. >=20 > I absolutely love composed music and=2C if the truth be told=2C I've bee= n=20 > working for the last year on > a project that is entirely composed.............there may not even be=20 > looping in it at all......whooooaaaaaaah!!!! >=20 > rick >=20 = --_6d297501-ed42-4c06-ba44-e95daf14056f_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
BUT if i start with 6 "canned" loops in=2C for example=2C my octatrack and = i then start out to mangle and resample them in an Improvised live manner= =2C then it would be live looping again.. sort of..
With the right peic= e of gear pre-recorded loops are more like waweforms... you can create tota= lly new improvesed music where the loops are just the starting points.. I w= ill record a peice like this as soon as a have time and you can judge if it= qualifies as live looping :-) =3B

>=3B Date: Sun=2C 6 No= v 2011 13:37:04 -0800
>=3B From: looppool@cruzio.com
>=3B To: per= boysen@gmail.com=3B Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B Subject: = Re: Re: Re: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops
>=3B
>= =3B On 7/22/64 11:59 AM=2C Per Boysen wrote:
>=3B >=3B Guys=2C your = discussion in this thread makes it impossible to hold back
>=3B >=3B= this final question:
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B Is it cheating to c= ompose the music before you perform it?
>=3B
>=3B LOL=2C that's= a good and funny question. Of course not.
>=3B
>=3B But I als= o think that one's intentions in art have some impact on the art.
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>=3B In other words=2C if you are setting out to break the world sp= eed record
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>=3B (as I saw on a particularly= funny and odious video on youtube last
>=3B night) and
>=3B you= play a Beatles song on an old beater acoustic guitar you have sort
>= =3B of failed=2C haven't you?
>=3B
>=3B If you come to headline = a live looping festival and you don't make a
>=3B single loop in real= time
>=3B in front of the audience and merely play over triggered sam= ples and
>=3B loops=2C then that's a
>=3B 'fail' in my book.>=3B
>=3B As I said in my last thread=2C I was really only talkin= g about the live
>=3B looping festival
>=3B and not at all about= all music.
>=3B
>=3B I'm passionate and opinionated at times=2C= but I'm not that black and
>=3B white about the subject of
>=3B= music.
>=3B
>=3B I absolutely love composed music and=2C if the= truth be told=2C I've been
>=3B working for the last year on
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>=3B= rick
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= --_6d297501-ed42-4c06-ba44-e95daf14056f_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 23:15:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF3F418345E; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 23:15:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 540751.37322.bm@omp1009.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1320621312; bh=xQjNi+eXWs6Mz7ZOQAHnSYNHJlKCuSdgI7TL/hpq+Gg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=W47vYZmKD+iCk51ZiJWbP8cFmlsvMFbETX1QtUDGgtbNdJU0UnyOmp3B7RE/rjEIFLwM6hkxwdbUJLbg9R2fDeq/IG5T+MuT8gXFIy3Odgv6Xx7hHx+zjl8DyKZCJvIM4XYIAM1Pu73G0nl74W58wGlPG0v2V/tsQr48pZ2SYFM= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=IP0b4cvkK0kBudeGDBmKYYBRpyx+6xHYVNrQ7JVu+4ZnJmQCWYcZvHUADuFWpGWghSkc0VRxbbUipDFHhoIncGoJLA7QcyFQxAvdSmvJ1B+cQaOZyYX56xUmTlXDSqGyqn0g5nlrNj+zXgyIUMNgZMF1jx4o4bcKCDz1BFkbYsk=; X-YMail-OSG: lNFFsYEVM1kKmxX0vJwf4oMIkublw99SJLDEcO8b9je8eCM Gtl3_KQw0_MNGw_glq2XWY0slEfXuahO8y1xOqW4ocOYrCTxKxciKcqTdZM. Z1cthkEcBu19LmAOtyVhs9UmNiFMouVM.YGB4DzeHLIR6Q2vXtW33GqNd3nb Z_.yQKVor714sUS34Q3AFki6DsOkyNgP7KivUbHjMbZk8p372_nHZswNxNak lkpYaWGwbnTkdMxnL9X9wtpLSWnKK8emppIUPLO7LQX1TRB1laheo4vsb8Wr tpC.nQ.grGBdPWCx5nItheVJ.Tkho32KYrP5d7SzaP.wMyHoZLhwR_Zg1_4A 3eZGaZsdBbWYZS2xdXLwnbPQSmyySZcfqDJOjtiw.nnmFTJJKJSP5FSG1qGx NE2D96kR2HEyZaQeIcqH8UrtzZxI3uORmnCnGLFRM9g-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.114.317681 Message-ID: <1320621312.60592.YahooMailNeo@web122510.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 15:15:12 -0800 (PST) From: Reinaldo Perez Reply-To: Reinaldo Perez Subject: What is the going price on a used Lexicon Jamman? Would you recommend one? To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-2143956367-268447478-1320621312=:60592" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 23:15:13 +0000 (UTC) ---2143956367-268447478-1320621312=:60592 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is my first posting on Loopers Delight in years as I used to subscribe= under a different email address maybe 10 years ago. =A0Since then, we've s= een a huge increase in acceptance of looping in mainstream products by Rola= nd, Digitech, Line 6 and others. =A0I used to have a Lexicon Jamman with 32= seconds delay and used to love playing out with it but sold it years ago. = =A0Being as it was made in the 90s, I know the Lexicon's specs are probably= below standard but I also remember having an Electro Harmonix 16-second de= lay (it was coined the "Fripp-in-a-box") and I loved what the low-fi warpin= g used to do to my sound over repetitions. =A0I did develop an affection fo= r the sound the Lexicon would give and I got pretty facile on it. =A0I see = them on Craigslist for $225 with 32 seconds, pedal and manual and was wonde= ring if anyone on the group here could advise me as to whether that's a fai= r price for an outdated unit that's been discontinued for over 10 years. =A0Can you recommend a newer unit that might give me the same things I lik= ed about the Jamman particularly in regards to midi control.=0A=0AReinaldo ---2143956367-268447478-1320621312=:60592 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This is my first posting on= Loopers Delight in years as I used to subscribe under a different email ad= dress maybe 10 years ago.  Since then, we've seen a huge increase in a= cceptance of looping in mainstream products by Roland, Digitech, Line 6 and= others.  I used to have a Lexicon Jamman with 32 seconds delay and us= ed to love playing out with it but sold it years ago.  Being as it was= made in the 90s, I know the Lexicon's specs are probably below standard bu= t I also remember having an Electro Harmonix 16-second delay (it was coined= the "Fripp-in-a-box") and I loved what the low-fi warping used to do to my= sound over repetitions.  I did develop an affection for the sound the= Lexicon would give and I got pretty facile on it.  I see them on Crai= gslist for $225 with 32 seconds, pedal and manual and was wondering if anyone on the group here could advise me as to whether that's a fair price= for an outdated unit that's been discontinued for over 10 years.  Can= you recommend a newer unit that might give me the same things I liked abou= t the Jamman particularly in regards to midi control.

<= div>Reinaldo
---2143956367-268447478-1320621312=:60592-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 23:36:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 400A5183453; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 23:36:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=1gSeSCOCvER0mhbSpsAc+10AdHFF0E+XWS7s330cKIo=; b=MQXuQMEcSVCOPGsv4FXaDFwMCdDhFQozbFQmnFf/5fPHJLXghJY6yxdflsXAmKu+BZ br0pibjH7dqa1tl9lQzpNElypSHwZWVzud9kYg4S6g4dsk/O6Jw7StEBtYpzR5YNIrYP n8FfzFGOXm+O0fgl9Vp4Othtiv/IBiEgPV5Vo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 00:35:51 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4VTJuqsxp6VA9P8ilQTyyvg-DQs Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: hands-off VJ sw To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300e4fbf4b27a704b1196789 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 23:36:14 +0000 (UTC) --20cf300e4fbf4b27a704b1196789 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Ra=FCl Bonell wrote= : > 8x3=3D24, thus 2 octaves? > ha ha I was thinking scales.. roughly 8 notes to an octave in most... but if you wanna go serial on me.. ? > > What about projectors? Some favorites here already? > OOhhh.. if only I had the money Casio Green Slim.. everyday!! no bigger than a block of A4.. lovely 2000+ lumens!!! --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf300e4fbf4b27a704b1196789 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Ra=FCl B= onell <raul.b= onell@gmail.com> wrote:
8x3=3D24, thus 2 octaves?

= ha ha I was thinking scales.. roughly 8 notes to an octave in most... but i= f you wanna go serial on me.. ?

What about projectors? Some favorites here already?
=
OOhhh.. if only I had the money

Casio Green Slim.. everyday!! no= bigger than a block of A4.. lovely 2000+ lumens!!!=A0



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http://www.looop.no
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--20cf300e4fbf4b27a704b1196789-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 23:56:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A400183451; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 23:56:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EB71E94.7010506@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 15:56:04 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Thinking in 11: for the 11/11/11 11:11 project participants Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1OaroD.A.is.a6xtOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 23:56:10 +0000 (UTC) My friend, Lindsey Walker asked me for suggestions about playing in 11/8 and I posted this back to her at Facebook. For all the 11/11/11 11:11 participants I throw this out as food for rhythmic thought ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((())))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) "Well there are some cool approaches one can use." One is that you can subdivide 4-4-3 Ta is pronounced 'Tah' with an accent ka and ki are both pronounced 'kih' ta is pronounced 'tuh' di is pronounced 'dee' mi is pronounced 'mee' remember that all sounds should have as short an envelope when you are singing them as possible so that you can eventually sing them at high speed. So this 4-4-3 subdivision of 11/8 is sung: Takadimi Takadimi Takita or another cool approach is to treat the rhythm like a 12/8 Blues or African styled rhythm just minus one note. The phrasing would be: 3 -3 -3 - 2 Takita Takita Takita Taki I've written these subdivision with a space in between them so you can see the audible phrase but there is no space between them rhythmically....they should represent 11 even notes. Here's a beautiful game for learning a rhythm thoroughly. I do this in the shower every day with a different time signature. you each sing each exercise several times (in the first example) a (parenthesized syllable) is not said out loud (just sing it silently in your mind) ps Takadimi Takadimi Takita Takadimi Takadimi Taki(ta) Takadimi Takadimi Ta(kita) Takadimi Takadimi (Takita) Takadimi Takadi(mi Takita Takadimi Taka(dimi Takita) Takadimi Ta(kadimi Takita) Takadimi (Takadimi Takita) Takadi(mi Takadimi Takita) Taka(dimi Takadimi Takita) Ta(kadimi Takadimi Takita) Now try the same exercise backwards Takadimi Takadimi Takita (Ta)kadimi Takadimi Takita (Taka)dimi Takadimi Takita (Takadi)mi Takadimi Takita (Takadimi) Takadimi Takita (Takadimi Ta)kadimi Takita (Takadimi Taka)dimi Takita (Takadimi Takadi)mi Takita (Takadimi Takadimi) Takita (Takadimi Takadimi Ta)kita (Takadimi Takadimi Taki)ta You will now have sung this time signature starting on every possible note and ending on every possible note. Now start improvising and play syncopated rhythms that leave out some of the notes and you will begin to move towards a cool melodic/rhythmic approach to playing in 11/8. Remember, you probably alread know how to play a zillion rock, r&B, soul and funk rhythms in 4/4 well, that's just this game applied to Takadimi Takadimi Tack on that last phrase of 3 to anything you know and , voila, You have a very cool new rhythm in 11/8 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 01:35:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CC0B18345D; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 01:35:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 300 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 01:35:53 UTC X-Originating-IP: [10.8.208.135] X-Originating-Email: [sylvester_malik_evidence_studios@hotmail.com] Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "sylvester malik " To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com " Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 01:30:52 +0000 Subject: Unsubscribe X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2011 01:30:52.0846 (UTC) FILETIME=[E36984E0:01CC9CEC] Resent-Message-ID: <-un__.A.Z5B.6XztOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 01:35:54 +0000 (UTC) Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 01:37:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2409183461; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 01:37:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:reply-to:x-priority:sensitivity :importance:subject:to:from:date:content-type:mime-version; bh=kS1Z+bkFaYbXqsEU+Dnh1U0cH3MWFs7+5vsSooU0ddk=; b=piE8I9WKFuTmahCE0CMx2DlinajU5y2+xGzyUdL14IZ4dyW1LAsEBHngMdQ1x6vPaJ wd2UcXz5rlSnRVLqbcKdQt/FGRZrIv1qtCrvyk1DIWVp4tl4bpQwPnEAtaPGI7JBfE+c Dxnoyienj20SVUriMOxqXHccQ8yEagq/fejx4= X-rim-org-msg-ref-id:1689292058 Message-ID:<1689292058-1320629849-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2028258369-@b25.c11.bise6.blackberry> Reply-To: hartfx@gmail.com X-Priority: Normal Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal Subject: Re: Unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: hartfx@gmail.com Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 01:37:28 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 01:37:33 +0000 (UTC) Close, but no cigar. ------Original Message------ From: sylvester malik To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com ReplyTo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Unsubscribe Sent: Nov 6, 2011 8:30 PM Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 03:26:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42AED183462; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 03:26:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 492 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 03:26:30 UTC From: "Brian Carabee" To: References: <7679284.1320466037749.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <30DBF1B2-729D-4877-B27C-8454241A07E1@sea.plala.or.jp> In-Reply-To: <30DBF1B2-729D-4877-B27C-8454241A07E1@sea.plala.or.jp> Subject: RE: What do YOU do when creativity dries up? Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 22:18:16 -0500 Message-ID: <000601cc9cfb$e4e59fc0$aeb0df40$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIM771XYVQhe88iwrn00CEOxvu/2gJwVGS0lQyUzAA= Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 111106-1, 11/06/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 03:26:31 +0000 (UTC) "Show up and work"... I love it! That really resonates with me. I waste too much time waiting for that inspiration or that "perfect" idea. The ideas for stimulating creativity have been so good that I'm in the process of culling all the suggestions down into one mega-document that = I can refer to from time-to-time. I'll make it available to you all if you want it. Brian From: Ed Durbrow [mailto:edurbrow@sea.plala.or.jp]=20 Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 7:09 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What do YOU do when creativity dries up? I have a book called theWARofART. The entire book could be summed up in = the preface which is a few pages. Maybe you could go to Amazon and read the preface if you are interested. Basically, it says the task is overcoming resistance, show up and work. It is full of aphorisms such as: A pro = views her work as craft, not art; The Amateur believes he must first overcome = his fear; Resistance feeds on fear - etcetera. What do I do when creativity dries up? I have so much I could do when creativity dries up. There is finishing stuff. I have so many ideas that were inspired, if I may use that term loosely, that need completing, polishing sequencing and recording. Much = of composing is working things out after the initial inspiration. That is = more like craft. Was it Einstein that said it is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration?=A0 I make it a point to write every day no matter what. If I end up just staring at a page of lyrics for 3 minutes and writing one or two words = that are pure garbage, I count that. I figure just putting attention to it = will keep it in the rotation of my subconscious. On Nov 5, 2011, at 1:07 PM, stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: Albert Brooks did a weird movie about this and my feeling is simply sometimes she visits for a long time-sometimes she is nowhere to be = found. Is that the one with Sharon Stone? Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 04:38:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9460D183460; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 04:38:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 224710.89662.bm@omp1007.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1320640733; bh=RK824B66M4AptdTlj+etPEcRc9xq+KG6g9cJBt/xu58=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Mailer; b=Kwk7Q3tP/Decz/fkDkzQL/nZbujybKoVaLTy3MfmfixtY2m4kVTwv168DWWqZInZ40Mpx+jT4LuzwG89zLK1UprQqVgBAtsmIJWPn7RgvRYdH3Hr/zq5w3uXUw6tXurFZHOGQZkxRtcWHri9Sg2RAIxHfoHhDXW1j3zEHlzZopk= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: JT.r2IsVM1nJ5UGDg7.CJMCW2ztmQo.wGvuXsaf0lctsJuE svBvRAtqZudz70vJNS1sR0UXwY5D2MJXnE0CRY65cdf4UJz0PCo10APdfGRG oED2xwlbJmBYnKMr0IPS0PGaejTxkzY5PN0Em515u4CyiDWEg4w.X6u8K53l CYweu.cJZmFHYTCBBnn4hqU.3vSEH6XP2AErewvbSEQu9IkVLwHbttMTgfvy FHRVh29YhtHlVTRM26D1P8CviKKiS.ylc7dlTkDomxPb27mVytUUc29hsjfY UiJSH9_AZQ918tGWU3ure4Mdh8c3AVXtUBo5f7dh_zX.Lr2PdM4mizCdDtz3 NBdTeOEIugS0f6NF1kpWl3sPIrhPR8Lizq0Ov4tOTIZdzB3wTI1j4H6WM0Aj jvoAdevP414zirJWNogxhTgKq1yNq0UMpiVK.kA-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F Message-Id: From: Michael Carlson Music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000601cc9cfb$e4e59fc0$aeb0df40$@comcast.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-883632057 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: What do YOU do when creativity dries up? Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 20:38:51 -0800 References: <7679284.1320466037749.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <30DBF1B2-729D-4877-B27C-8454241A07E1@sea.plala.or.jp> <000601cc9cfb$e4e59fc0$aeb0df40$@comcast.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <2zPi9C.A.V9D.eD2tOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 04:38:54 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-883632057 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You've all heard the phrase: "Creativity is one percent inspiration and 99 percent perspiration", right? My problem isn't ever that creativity runs dry, its that the rest of my life leaves so little time to be creative musically! I aspire to inspire before I expire. "You load sixteen tons, whaddaya get. . ." My most creative moments are early in the morning when I am half- awake. That seems to be when any musical and technical kinks get ironed out, and I just have to wait until the next time I can sit down at the piano and/or Macbook to implement my creative fix. Peace and adventure, Michael Carlson (TripleOhNine) On Nov 6, 2011, at 7:18 PM, Brian Carabee wrote: > "Show up and work"... I love it! --Apple-Mail-1-883632057 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You've all heard the phrase: =  "Creativity is one percent inspiration and 99 percent = perspiration", right?

My problem isn't ever that = creativity runs dry, its that the rest of my life leaves so little time = to be creative musically!  I aspire to inspire before I expire. =  "You load sixteen tons, whaddaya get. . = ."

My most creative moments are early in the = morning when I am half-awake.  That seems to be when any musical = and technical kinks get ironed out, and I just have to wait until the = next time I can sit down at the piano and/or Macbook to implement my = creative fix.

Peace and = adventure,
Michael Carlson = (TripleOhNine)


On Nov 6, 2011, at = 7:18 PM, Brian Carabee wrote:

"Show up and = work"... I love it!

= --Apple-Mail-1-883632057-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 06:30:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A6A618345F; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 06:30:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=WT6julbaYHrtaix0r9Pc5dPadXBzbToyzFydYpmUsX4=; b=KPP6gZTEP9WiyHT3uOaYjtOgMNSkw+V9Eap5lLygMgQqzLhfzhYH2/zkP7JwXW6vCD F8JW1EL5BCkRHnlXngOmOwH58AMdkz/lnDNILxGSOa2gZeQ/lHXSlO5NsJ8bLBDlZjDC KyyERvC/HPFLr2uwf79XaZ54vmcw9G9QNRKgY= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops From: Matthias Grob In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 04:29:49 -0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6BB1BEC4-3C1E-41C7-84FE-2B72A6C1A954@gmail.com> References: <4EB68DD0.7070207@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <-DH4.A.yKF.Ds3tOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 06:30:27 +0000 (UTC) well, cheating is saying something and doing a different thing, right? so if a festival invitation says something about the music, it should be = more or less maintained if we define live looping somewhere on the net, its less heavy, its up = to the musicians feeling whether he uses the brand or not on the youtube.com/livelooping playlist collection I solved the problem = by creating a category for videos with considerable amount of = prerecorded parts if the prerecorded part is just a drum sample or so, I think there is no = need to worry about, its obvious to the listener and common... of course a stupid definition should not hold back an artist to create = what he feels should be created.=20 on the other hand, its a famous fact that limitations enhance creativity = :-) On 6 Nov 2011, at 12:03, mark francombe wrote: > My point entirely Per, surely nothing is cheating! > Personally I tend to improvise lots, but with pre-prepared ideas and = sounds. >=20 > On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Per Boysen = wrote: > Guys, your discussion in this thread makes it impossible to hold back > this final question: >=20 > Is it cheating to compose the music before you perform it? >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 06:31:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D93B183460; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 06:31:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=rMYMxuWzox3Et9FS/BrPtc6qp7AcbFTdbNto+2CqoBg=; b=LavogEaFSGlbKATZby3y5ytNFsXYEbEa9P2UjQy9sAj5GP1ZCFErKDEhrHKwqFJ1c/ LwllrdmarSmkbQ2ZpTAt6ufKW9EQHTyuKTAge0Yuo3MNoWSpxHhMSqcCWWKZXNFpOtyX z0CJlmc4icgzj6un1brDv6iduDR7YVg9lEJEE= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: livelooping. organic From: Matthias Grob In-Reply-To: <7B167843-C574-4D13-8125-CC01A67C2776@grubmah.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 04:31:17 -0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <426EA827-CEB8-4D74-BF07-22411410AEC2@gmail.com> References: <1b7c756b.237ded.1337055a4b3.Webtop.46@charter.net> <7B167843-C574-4D13-8125-CC01A67C2776@grubmah.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <1Oc5Y.A.PRF.4s3tOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 06:31:20 +0000 (UTC) On 5 Nov 2011, at 16:14, Mark Hamburg wrote: > On Nov 5, 2011, at 11:11 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: >=20 >> * It opens a question about how to deal with performers who play = music that sounds like it fits with the livelooping aesthetic, but who = don't actually use loopers. >=20 > If someone plays a synthesizer into a loop pedal it qualifies as = looped music but what if instead they manipulate knobs on an old style = sequencer to change the note sequence? Is the audience experience = fundamentally different? I like you post a lot, Mark! once we give up defining hard boarders (at least because we cannot force = anyway to use or not use the term anyway) we can also include organic = instruments as typical for livelooping. synth player rather tend to use = sequencers and not program them in real time, its a different approach = to music all together - but thats just a tendency, not a rule or = definition!= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 07:17:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D13418345E; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 07:17:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=fNedvXCqs0EYyN4I0gXZQt/xQeyPC+Ayu5xqrOkSS3A=; b=T9nSihrnpXPSkaIPTC8iEHPAsPkxWw6u3eztN3Urs9bomqUfH3ImW2kAN4mXxpG0O2 AmVKl+iIlfSfZ9/vX4ipioamdSM+u91MOws2tVdzy0Q7xOaumoTU222FkkivmpofZ0bd UARIxItSqIg55UwdDJZVx9p6cNtnClEaABMKA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 01:17:06 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Apogee Duet vs. Fireface vs. ? From: marcus kirby To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 07:17:08 +0000 (UTC) I found an apogee duet for $200 locally, and I might jump on that, as I just bought a new macbook and I'm moving towards a laptop setup. I'm well aware that the duet is only two channels, and the fireface is much more expensive and has far more channels than I need. Are there any RME products that work well with mac and have under twelve channels? Basically, what's a good sounding interface that is under $500-700 with less than 12 channels? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 07:20:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E1C218345D; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 07:20:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:reply-to:x-priority:sensitivity :importance:subject:to:from:date:content-type:mime-version; bh=Z0EAwb+t4dnW7JW2qLQ/D9tblVqLM+8OnUhodguJJWk=; b=BHfIhYv87IQ0+BLhuKLpislfzjgL0KzNylO61ppNAXebHsI/m5Ubihlz7x85GylQ5U xIY5qjiXkN//KdNj+k5aBydazYOjOC2ZV9vYAFgSq3UFVNp4E+WRVW/SRMTyOtmHJM2w dFrFbKIVeT1+NCcf6dm1GSzvBqHL2VLr+hY1s= X-rim-org-msg-ref-id:1525502185 Message-ID:<1525502185-1320650396-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2140318377-@b25.c11.bise6.blackberry> Reply-To: hartfx@gmail.com X-Priority: Normal Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal Subject: Re: Apogee Duet vs. Fireface vs. ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: hartfx@gmail.com Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 07:19:56 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 07:20:01 +0000 (UTC) The Apogee Duet (1st Gen.) has the same preamps as higher-end models (minus the awesome soft-limit feature). It is a stellar unit. I cannot vouch for the 2nd Gen. USB revision though. ------Original Message------ From: marcus kirby To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com ReplyTo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Apogee Duet vs. Fireface vs. ? Sent: Nov 7, 2011 2:17 AM I found an apogee duet for $200 locally, and I might jump on that, as I just bought a new macbook and I'm moving towards a laptop setup. I'm well aware that the duet is only two channels, and the fireface is much more expensive and has far more channels than I need. Are there any RME products that work well with mac and have under twelve channels? Basically, what's a good sounding interface that is under $500-700 with less than 12 channels? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 08:13:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6854E18345E; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 08:13:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_36bc02b5-a123-4c42-9d81-4745f84bd86c_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: livelooping. organic Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 08:13:25 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <426EA827-CEB8-4D74-BF07-22411410AEC2@gmail.com> References: <1b7c756b.237ded.1337055a4b3.Webtop.46@charter.net> <7B167843-C574-4D13-8125-CC01A67C2776@grubmah.com>,<426EA827-CEB8-4D74-BF07-22411410AEC2@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2011 08:13:25.0952 (UTC) FILETIME=[1FC90400:01CC9D25] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 08:13:27 +0000 (UTC) --_36bc02b5-a123-4c42-9d81-4745f84bd86c_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable " synth player rather tend to use sequencers and not program them in real t= ime=2C its a different approach to music all together - but thats just a te= ndency=2C not a rule or definition!" YEs and no.. there quite a few musicians using synth and drummachines in a = live manner=2C creating drum loops and synth sound/sequences/loops as they = improvise live.. Quite usual in a lot of techno/IDM today.. = --_36bc02b5-a123-4c42-9d81-4745f84bd86c_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


" synth player rather tend to use sequencers and not program t= hem in real time=2C its a different approach to music all together - but th= ats just a tendency=2C not a rule or definition!"

<= div>YEs and no.. there quite a few musicians using synth and drummachines i= n a live manner=2C creating drum loops and synth sound/sequences/loops as t= hey improvise live.. Quite usual in a lot of techno/IDM today.. =3B
= --_36bc02b5-a123-4c42-9d81-4745f84bd86c_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 09:59:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81F3718345F; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 09:59:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 688400389/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.18.196/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.18.196 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkkCAI2qt05YbRLE/2dsb2JhbAAMN5pAkioBAQQ4QBEsFg8JAwIBAgFFHAEQvSuJKwSZP4xO X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,469,1315177200"; d="scan'208";a="688400389" Message-ID: <4EB7ABF1.7030100@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 09:59:13 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: The livelooping demon References: <1b7c756b.237ded.1337055a4b3.Webtop.46@charter.net> <7B167843-C574-4D13-8125-CC01A67C2776@grubmah.com>,<426EA827-CEB8-4D74-BF07-22411410AEC2@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 09:59:08 +0000 (UTC) Way back long ago Looper's Delight folk were happy to talk about "looping". LD was set up as as place to share *all kinds of loop music*. As far as I know it still is that, there's a lot of live loop people here but in a decade or so I only read one or two posts that said canned loops were not music ( and not for many years now). So when the community started organising "Festivals of Looping" and didn't invite anyone that used pre-recorded loop it was firmly pointed out that this was a misrepresentation of the term "looping". After that the term "live looping" started to be used for events, open to anyone as long as live looping technology played a significant part in their performance. So the whole point of the term was to distinguish between different looping approaches, and it was adopted because there were objections to the use of the term "looping" in that context. A few years down the line it became apparent that the new technology was giving rise to some interesting new musics, stuff that just wouldn't happen without the technology. Some of us call that "livelooping music", or simply use the term "livelooping" in the context of describing the music. There isn't any intention to define what the technique of live looping is hidden in that, why on earth would there there be? (and some may notice a typographic clue to confirm that). There plainly isn't any authoritative body that's going to tell you what to call your music, or to say whether you "do live looping". There's no division between insiders who "do live looping" and outsiders who don't. There's just free individuals who can call their music whatever they like, play it with whatever technology they like, and have any opinion they fancy about the music they hear. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 12:13:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E460D183451; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 12:13:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EB7CB54.3010401@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 04:13:08 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anders Bergdahl CC: Loopers Delight Subject: Re: RE: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 12:13:15 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: > BUT if i start with 6 "canned" loops in, for example, my octatrack and > i then start out to mangle and resample them in an Improvised live > manner, then it would be live looping again.. sort of.. > With the right peice of gear pre-recorded loops are more like > waweforms... you can create totally new improvesed music where the > loops are just the starting points.. I will record a peice like this > as soon as a have time and you can judge if it qualifies as live > looping :-) Yeah, Anders..........excellent point! But as William says, your intention becomes part of the creation. This is different from someone who comes in with 6 tracks of dubstep music that has already been created and who remixes it slightly, calling it live looping. r. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 12:16:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B98618345F; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 12:16:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=d4m9GWMTwHvLjD1CMX5ueFM7MK7OAzK9WGVWTq0eCW0=; b=RGKLZ32Q5rHqB6aVZyO18u9exmHiwE1U9dEdyO9JBeQ8TfaoeUnMyeO7FY/fQ6yFil qH4HlZ1giHh8iGSG9BX7qSlbmQ9JSAr7TqIhoXBvUp+DuP+5X4WyZgfvgH2Xl2YTts4H pUfu3PuOpawOJa3uZVaVoamOoBtI/nb/pTXRw= From: Matthias Grob Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-911051535 Subject: Re: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:15:51 -0200 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: ,<4EB6FE00.7020504@cruzio.com> Message-Id: <18EC1C15-E2E1-432E-A8B6-2B4C28119C39@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 12:16:30 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5-911051535 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii right, this makes it more complicated: Ableton called their app Live = because they think of live mixing of samples as opposed to classic DJ there is a Live PA genre (even more complicated because PA does not mean = public address system as the speakers on a stage are called) http://www.ravelinks.com/forums/f137/hardcore-live-pa-sampler-001-a-923/ On 6 Nov 2011, at 20:53, Anders Bergdahl wrote: > BUT if i start with 6 "canned" loops in, for example, my octatrack and = i then start out to mangle and resample them in an Improvised live = manner, then it would be live looping again.. sort of.. > With the right peice of gear pre-recorded loops are more like = waweforms... you can create totally new improvesed music where the loops = are just the starting points.. I will record a peice like this as soon = as a have time and you can judge if it qualifies as live looping :-)=20 --Apple-Mail-5-911051535 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii right, this makes it more complicated: Ableton = called their app Live because they think of live mixing of samples as = opposed to classic DJ
there is a Live PA genre (even more = complicated because PA does not mean public address system as the = speakers on a stage are called)

On 6 Nov 2011, at 20:53, Anders = Bergdahl wrote:

BUT if i start with 6 "canned" = loops in, for example, my octatrack and i then start out to mangle and = resample them in an Improvised live manner, then it would be live = looping again.. sort of..
With the right peice of gear pre-recorded = loops are more like waweforms... you can create totally new improvesed = music where the loops are just the starting points.. I will record a = peice like this as soon as a have time and you can judge if it qualifies = as live looping = :-) 

= --Apple-Mail-5-911051535-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 12:20:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8983A183461; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 12:20:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=KOwGVJqEh6QQ4gaCQqAZ6ij1lbz7kLAxFKDrPFc7/0M=; b=d+1+UgD9PBgoLEZ9x7N3X29F99pas1J66J5CegXQBoX4JOsfVvSrYra53ZMTwKRnDa 5lgaEjgz1OxVTEFrDXiron9YoxnRIoJ9KUfzu1e0aw/dhFnMunhkvWj23LepYXXEg9xe /IjLpXhIn7NCOhl59GI7895PbJ2imT3nwnQrw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4EB7CB54.3010401@cruzio.com> References: <4EB7CB54.3010401@cruzio.com> From: todd reynolds Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 07:20:11 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: RE: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151747bdb8f3c75e04b12415b6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 12:20:53 +0000 (UTC) --00151747bdb8f3c75e04b12415b6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable With this, Rick, I'm in total agreement. I call that DJing. There is this implication in the technical term which does imply sampling of live material. If there's none present, we call it false advertising... no need to get into genres or larger artistic definitions, lol. > that has already been created and who remixes it slightly, calling it liv= e > looping. > > r. > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =95 The most recent newsletter is here. =95 Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now available wherever music is sold. Check it out on the INNOVA Artists Page . =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D http://toddreynolds.com http://twitter.com/digifiddler http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic http://blog.toddreynolds.com http://facebook.com/toddreynolds http://reverbnation.com/toddreynolds --00151747bdb8f3c75e04b12415b6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable With this, Rick, I'm in total agreement. =A0I call that DJing. =A0There= is this implication in the technical term which does imply sampling of liv= e material. =A0If there's none present, we call it false advertising...= no need to get into genres or larger artistic definitions, lol.=A0


that has already been created and who remixes it slightly, calling it live = looping.

r.




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=95 The most recent newsletter is here.

=95=A0Outerborough, Todd Reynolds' solo double CD is now avail= able wherever music is sold. Check it out on the INNOVA Artists Page.



--00151747bdb8f3c75e04b12415b6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 13:39:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 745A318345D; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:39:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=TRMEPI5GtDRP/HN4fe18K7nZvltbg0rk2GsJwbZSCZg=; b=w7mrNg6w6GG1Vp1SzCE7I9jvCAXTzFeZzHB3y0hLYyNUYArZmbJgoiP9MfGRQhtXve +svf7uNqpJyuttbtLVDpIgyems4DxDkaFKiUPlOOM/jb1SXVipVrxF3reTyvI0BoAG6q PzHNdc1XohG7UZa0qkJIp1hl/xNPcsaEb+iJ8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4EB7CB54.3010401@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:39:35 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: RE: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:39:36 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 1:20 PM, todd reynolds wrote: > There is this implication in the technical term which does imply sampling of > live material. I think that is a good definition. I like that it doesn't state that the "live material" must be an audio input and I also like that it doesn't state that the "sampled live material" must be in the form of loops. In my opinion it would be fully appropriate for a live looping festival to present an artist that works with electronic "in-the-box" sound synthesis/creation. And who says every snagged sample has to be a loop? Even the EDP can be run in "on shot mode". Now, if talking in musical terms; the fractal like circular structure often found in "livelooping music" is just as present with an artist that does live sequencing, meaning that instead of manipulating loop playback this artist manipulates patterns and how patterns drive playback of sound samples. I fully support not going into musical definitions but rather stay with the technical. By the way, where does this term "live looping" come from, when the art form actually is "live sampling"? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 13:43:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86A1E18345E; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:43:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:43:01 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20111107134301.195830@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Subject: Re: RC-50 feedback workaround To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18gtXBcSPsgafHtqpmvck4K0qivnAUZoabY2R9WPA q06vR24es6l12oPKhO1qtbl/j82QpB87GLrA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: XteCegoLTiE+Wtp6nGVwaQt9ZUVSRNfc Resent-Message-ID: <8UFuF.A.nwC.oB-tOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:43:04 +0000 (UTC) > workaround for the RC-50, thanks Buzap You're welcome :-) I'm glad the RC-50 is still being used (I switched to computer). With the RC-300 still missing some RC-50 features, it might be still around a while... best regards Buzap -- NEU: FreePhone - 0ct/min Handyspartarif mit Geld-zurück-Garantie! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 13:45:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1102918345E; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:45:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=fQN7KNJJLgXFW4flEGJeWcnQdXQcC/u/G5a0mcY4bOE=; b=RXS3Bh29CS5r0qpkg9A+qpnPgtIi0Y/S6Z+MJnOUDp9T6nZGSVo5fmjVZ1BzZErp9S dR8eSzZbaIb6MtrF5Ko9Vqpw9SbIPxwlKBymeJn8JUuBdl3q2b9qnqN7RBZuPOVBq9Qm ATy/94YQG5bNW1Vvdgn8oiuStfaJdeevVoybc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4EB7ABF1.7030100@tiscali.co.uk> References: <1b7c756b.237ded.1337055a4b3.Webtop.46@charter.net> <7B167843-C574-4D13-8125-CC01A67C2776@grubmah.com> <426EA827-CEB8-4D74-BF07-22411410AEC2@gmail.com> <4EB7ABF1.7030100@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:45:36 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The livelooping demon From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <0PwWUD.A.93C.AE-tOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:45:36 +0000 (UTC) Excellent write-up! :-) Per On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 10:59 AM, andy butler wrote: > Way back long ago Looper's Delight folk were happy > to talk about "looping". > > LD was set up as as place to share *all kinds of loop music*. > As far as I know it still is that, there's a lot of live loop > people here but in a decade or so I only read one or two posts > that said canned loops were not music ( and not for many years now). > > So when the community started organising "Festivals of Looping" > and didn't invite anyone that used pre-recorded loop it was firmly pointed > out that this was a misrepresentation > of the term "looping". > > After that the term "live looping" started to be used for events, > open to anyone as long as live looping technology played a significant > part in their performance. > > So the whole point of the term was to distinguish between different looping > approaches, and it was adopted because > there were objections to the use of the term "looping" in that context. > > > A few years down the line it became apparent that the new technology > was giving rise to some interesting new musics, stuff that just wouldn't > happen without the technology. > Some of us call that "livelooping music", or simply use the term > "livelooping" > in the context of describing the music. > There isn't any intention to define what the technique of live looping is > hidden in that, why on earth would there there be? > (and some may notice a typographic clue to confirm that). > > > > There plainly isn't any authoritative body that's going to tell you what to > call your music, or to say whether you "do live looping". > > There's no division between insiders who "do live looping" and outsiders > who don't. > > There's just free individuals who can call their music whatever they > like, play it with whatever technology they like, and have any opinion they > fancy about the music they hear. > > andy butler > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 13:50:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FDC3183460; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:50:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=jWwOEVBZ5HwCzVaabSQY02C/CA7TRlrjewMnvDdH9SE=; b=Bvs35Ewy/FwZxmuYdIXJbSnmIp293aTjtTZv6gA5WzbklRDUHLHUIDTdk71YLb7OsA Ag+jHhzqZED9wnMXY/0qUfdMepJqnK34WdO8vVgW0AH17418PDlWfzl5WqxJjrFsQLGh yT3hXvt8RVUumWGvI5iRaeFXEtSYZ39oiNqhE= Subject: Re: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops References: <4EB7CB54.3010401@cruzio.com> From: Todd Reynolds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A334) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4346786C-8622-4203-91E0-8DD5117FF446@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 08:50:49 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:50:53 +0000 (UTC) I had always assumed that when Samplers came into heavy usage that some folk= s felt the need to distinguish the difference between the sampling of sound t= o be used as instrument replacement and that specific technique, and the the= sampling of longer phrases. I remember my first 'looping performance' where= I saw Jean-Luc Ponty call it sampling, and even I was confused as the Sampl= er proper had just come into vogue. But you're right, Per, live sampling is t= echnically what it is! =20 Sent from my iPhone On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:39 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > By the way, where does this term "live looping" come from, when the > art form actually is "live sampling"? >=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 14:26:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9263E18345D; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:26:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=EFyo9neqcsAKaq56SA9FyQaGLpMmnnUEwglQieGybtA=; b=aYLtuVNispOBL6oMC/ZRfZ0qJRMts7BD4WmRuf+9YLGdmwd87UN3CoiBOIehljKhZX vB674n6qE/or/s21jDYDjkzFYqidT+OVn3MW8BmmFUbyPgrKiG2Oy9UAGkFTHrpDVSIQ hNSvTHSN8L+L757+QGa2TmWqrYjI/mNOFwIQ4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4346786C-8622-4203-91E0-8DD5117FF446@gmail.com> References: <4EB7CB54.3010401@cruzio.com> <4346786C-8622-4203-91E0-8DD5117FF446@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:26:00 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:26:01 +0000 (UTC) I remembered when reading about the first sampler and thinking "wow, finally... that's my instrument!" But all samplers had this stupid limitation that a sound could not be played back instantly after being sampled. Then I read about this guy calling himself Mixmaster Morris saying that he was doing "live sampling" and I thought he had found a cure for that limitation - but a quick check on his music proved me wrong about that. In the absence of real live sampling devices we had to live with delay units customized with a feedback loop, which a bit of a drag (and still is). My vision of a real live sampler is a device that integrates sampling and patten sequencing with all editing accessible during playback as well as during recording. The Octatrack by Elektron seems close but it amazes me that not more developers make software like this! The Mobius software is a beast in its own right here, thanks to its built-in scripting, but the funny thing is that it was not designed for doing what it actually is best at doing ;-) It seems random plays a big part in how new groundbreaking instruments come into this world. The EDP, born out of performing musician's vision, is an exception though... well actually not, since one of its coolest features, "loop windowing", first was regarded a bug to be terminated from the code ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Todd Reynolds wrote: > I had always assumed that when Samplers came into heavy usage that some f= olks felt the need to distinguish the difference between the sampling of so= und to be used as instrument replacement and that specific technique, and t= he the sampling of longer phrases. I remember my first 'looping performance= ' where I saw Jean-Luc Ponty call it sampling, and even I was confused as t= he Sampler proper had just come into vogue. But you're right, Per, live sam= pling is technically what it is! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:39 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> >> >> By the way, where does this term "live looping" come from, when the >> art form actually is "live sampling"? >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 14:54:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC73218345C; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:54:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=rGu8OA7aDg4MqLrUQgUbeuY9itNmTp1rtFDK8svGVLQ=; b=d9X1bWGHZWUeWqa8c6Rf/A5o7opfR4XZUmt0WfQZfV3mjkIyPSkS8O5L8MHaZ4X8bp Iagb8J92kI1UtqlhAbt1YscqsXPKgVnzTggmLizLjL3xD1vV2oqzXQBT+qw/4DpsXDFE rNW2uKE3wuXpvLkVj/GWNHisOUjWr7AoAK7ck= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1b7c756b.237ded.1337055a4b3.Webtop.46@charter.net> <7B167843-C574-4D13-8125-CC01A67C2776@grubmah.com> <426EA827-CEB8-4D74-BF07-22411410AEC2@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 09:54:48 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: livelooping. organic From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae934098177dda504b1263c4c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:54:49 +0000 (UTC) --14dae934098177dda504b1263c4c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Once you give up 'hard borders' and look for the result (music) and not dwell on the method, music becomes possible. When I was 'arguing' (I cant even call it that because my position lacked force, and that was intentional) I found it difficult even to define a process as 'live looping' or not. I mean, I could listen to a 'looper' all day, but I'd rather hear a musician. --14dae934098177dda504b1263c4c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Once you give up 'hard borders' and look for the result (music) and= not dwell on the method, music becomes possible.=A0

Whe= n I was 'arguing' (I cant even call it that because my position lac= ked force, and that was intentional) I found it difficult even to define a = process as 'live looping' or not. I mean, I could listen to a '= looper' all day, but I'd rather hear a musician.
--14dae934098177dda504b1263c4c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 15:07:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1356818345E; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:07:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=i8by06HuCRerekUrEYxXXDDnyeof7qq3NkSrS4DmmvM=; b=hsZhZggjS7koJ7AHJBK0k+/eum1iIVZS2WU6She5EJtNs890wHOXekvWb70p5mXI/P OrjNOJ7dUhtSfyQHQfNHs7eonrjFW5Dqksfw3BVAbWupEKB5mAdcwz5CFssd2u8nkq6I 9mJSJ6/d0vKBxUcVZJzGI7uT44ZneZ6vPjq0U= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <93A78674-0D72-4555-8A64-BF8E0372C4BB@gmail.com> References: <4EB68BB6.8000305@cruzio.com> <3C1BE502-E5FF-4BF1-9C43-247638A8F7D5@charter.net> <93A78674-0D72-4555-8A64-BF8E0372C4BB@gmail.com> From: Mike Fugazzi Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 09:07:24 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae934121bc793ee04b1266a11 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:07:46 +0000 (UTC) --14dae934121bc793ee04b1266a11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I like the idea of creating everything myself. I use a very liberal amount of technology in doing so, but I try to keep it "organic" in the sense that the music is created live and in real-time. While I don't judge the artistic value of a piece by live/pre-recorded, I personally view it like playing in a band. I don't care what the "instrument" is by definition, but a live band would create everything in real-time. Per my previous group, I wouldn't want the keyboard player playing pre-recorded parts, and the drummer wouldn't use a drum machine of pre-programmed rhythms, etc. So, I guess, if I were to use a drum machine, which I don't, I'd want to avoid having a full backing track to a song. I know it maybe doesn't make sense, but I'd rather a drum sample or bass sample be looped than hear a full three and a half minutes of a backing track with live jamming over top. There has to be some live manipulation of the instrument...and I think a drum machine or backing track CAN be used as an instrument. This weekend I watched "I am Still Here"...that mockumentary made by Juaqin Phoenix. He performed his raps to full backing tracks. I thought that was lame (well, the whole thing was sorta lame on purpose). However, I think John Popper playing with DJ Logic (who blatantly uses samples live) is way cool. There is still live manipulation of the sounds and the ability to improvise. ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > It's funny to read so much talk about definitions... when for me, after > coming back to music after a 15+ year absence, I am invigorated by seeing > previous definitions falling away. > > That said, when I think of anything LIVE, I think there must be the > possibility of the train derailing. That's what makes watching a > performance so compelling. SO within that, I think it's perfectly fine to > include pre-made loops, pre-made roadmaps, anything at all, in a > performance... as long as spontaneity is a fundamental. > > Milli-Vanilli style lip-synching, and the loopy equivalents of that, are > exactly the opposite: it is about ensuring that the train cannot derail, > that there is no possibility of spontaneity whatsoever. > > I admire folks who can only improvise, walk onstage with NO plan... but > the other side of that is a feeling that perhaps one is lazy, and may have > fear around committing to the process of building solid ideas. Just saying, > there are two sides to each side... and composing is hard, and requires > courage as well. Reality is that most of us live somewhere between the two > absolutes. > > One interesting area omitted so far is the notion of loop-based heightened > reality, as in some of Andre LaFosse's recordings: based on EDP improvs > (live and uncut though without an audience) which were subsequently nipped > and tucked, for better symmetries, tighter motion and so on... even some > overdubbing to enhance certain passages... Certainly Andre has earned his > stripes as a live looper by any definition... but these recordings are > certainly not live... yet I really love that notion of taking something raw > and making a polished artifact from it... > > Phil :) > > > > On Nov 6, 2011, at 8:57 AM, william middlemiss wrote: > > > > > Its a question of bandwidth and resource allocation. An inordinate > amount of time is needed to record the parts for a complex piece such as > Steve Reich's Electric Counterpoint at the beginning of a performance. Add > to that the preparation time for learning and practicing the parts all the > way through- all but the most attentive listeners with long perceptual > ability would retain interest. Hence the need for a prerecorded 'tape.' > > > > Same kind of thing with Stockhausen's Kontakte, and many other complex > works. Necessity dictates preparation of materials in certain > circumstances. I certainly would not call that cheating- in fact I would > say it's the opposite. Preparation/practice is not cheating. > > > > --14dae934121bc793ee04b1266a11 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I like the idea of creating everything myself.=A0 I use a very liberal amou= nt of technology in doing so, but I try to keep it "organic" in t= he sense that the music is created live and in real-time.=A0 While I don= 9;t judge the artistic value of a piece by live/pre-recorded, I personally = view it like playing in a band.=A0

I don't care what the "instrument" is by definition, but = a live band would create everything in real-time.=A0 Per my previous group,= I wouldn't want the keyboard player playing pre-recorded parts, and th= e drummer wouldn't use a drum machine of pre-programmed rhythms, etc.
So, I guess, if I were to use a drum machine, which I don't, I'= d want to avoid having a full backing track to a song.=A0 I know it maybe d= oesn't make sense, but I'd rather a drum sample or bass sample be l= ooped than hear a full three and a half minutes of a backing track with liv= e jamming over top.

There has to be some live manipulation of the instrument...and I think = a drum machine or backing track CAN be used as an instrument.=A0

Th= is weekend I watched "I am Still Here"...that mockumentary made b= y Juaqin Phoenix.=A0 He performed his raps to full backing tracks.=A0 I tho= ught that was lame (well, the whole thing was sorta lame on purpose).=A0 Ho= wever, I think John Popper playing with DJ Logic (who blatantly uses sample= s live) is way cool.=A0 There is still live manipulation of the sounds and = the ability to improvise.
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On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Phil Cle= venger <ph= il.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
It's funny to read so much talk about definitions... when for me, after= coming back to music after a 15+ year absence, I am invigorated by seeing = previous definitions falling away.

That said, when I think of anything LIVE, I think there must be the possibi= lity of the train derailing. That's what makes watching a performance s= o compelling. SO within that, I think it's perfectly fine to include pr= e-made loops, pre-made roadmaps, anything at all, in a performance... as lo= ng as spontaneity is a fundamental.

Milli-Vanilli style lip-synching, and the loopy equivalents of that, are ex= actly the opposite: it is about ensuring that the train cannot derail, that= there is no possibility of spontaneity whatsoever.

I admire folks who can only improvise, walk onstage with NO plan... but the= other side of that is a feeling that perhaps one is lazy, and may have fea= r around committing to the process of building solid ideas. Just saying, th= ere are two sides to each side... and composing is hard, and requires coura= ge as well. Reality is that most of us live somewhere between the two absol= utes.

One interesting area omitted so far is the notion of loop-based heightened = reality, as in some of Andre LaFosse's recordings: based on EDP improvs= (live and uncut though without an audience) which were subsequently nipped= and tucked, for better symmetries, tighter motion and so on... even some o= verdubbing to enhance certain passages... Certainly Andre has earned his st= ripes as a live looper by any definition... but these recordings are certai= nly not live... yet I really love that notion of taking something raw and m= aking a polished artifact from it...

Phil :)



On Nov 6, 2011, at 8:57 AM, william middlemiss wrote:

>
> Its a question of bandwidth and resource allocation. An inordinate amo= unt of time is needed to record the parts for a complex piece such as Steve= Reich's Electric Counterpoint at the beginning of a performance. Add t= o that the preparation time for learning and practicing the parts all the w= ay through- all but the most attentive listeners with long perceptual abili= ty would retain interest. Hence the need for a prerecorded 'tape.'<= br> >
> Same kind of thing with Stockhausen's Kontakte, and many other com= plex works. Necessity dictates preparation of materials in certain circumst= ances. I certainly would not call that cheating- in fact I would say it'= ;s the opposite. Preparation/practice is not cheating.
>


--14dae934121bc793ee04b1266a11-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 15:14:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D768183460; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:14:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=NrTBS/UnEw4Hnrkr2ouy5adjzLU9BMMH1m7Zi4Ad1QQ=; b=s+9e2nLeHNZXgVkyo4S3jY+5t+HnxvX/GQbCYZF+P08UfneoFT2zlW/hmeu994UwbH wwV5Gz8oeRXLmQAVhKXXW4hp4c0tOLtRC8jXAlyEFE/H13SF1VBG9WYXPPUnD2VBAERi lm/bvi8Zz6xTj1Q/dvFrAyN4GaSz5RCz/L/oY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1b7c756b.237ded.1337055a4b3.Webtop.46@charter.net> <7B167843-C574-4D13-8125-CC01A67C2776@grubmah.com> <426EA827-CEB8-4D74-BF07-22411410AEC2@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:14:42 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: livelooping. organic From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340d4bac230b04b126839c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:14:43 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340d4bac230b04b126839c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Let me qualify that response to prevent any misconception that I am intentionally being obtuse: That isn't to say finding names to identify one's work is easy, or that when faced with the question 'So, what do you do?' to answer in an oblique fashion; rather it is to say focusing on the result (the intent) and the ability to engage oneself in that focus and remain focused is what separates an artist from those who dabble in art. For an artist, it is the ability to shift techniques rapidly and maintain consistency in an approach when faced with the 'end wall' or 'limit' of an initial technique that is the determining factor between success and failure. Tangentially speaking[writing]: sometimes its best to leave the titles to academia; othertimes it's not (as in pre-empt the academic elite with a description to work for- or even against.) Either way, if it materializes art, than the process is a success, no matter what its called! (For the record, I hear a difference between almost every music played before an audience and played in a studio. The exceptions are often the players that end up on my short list of 'favorites.') --14dae9340d4bac230b04b126839c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Let me qualify that response to prevent any misconception that I am in= tentionally being obtuse:

That isn't to say finding= names to identify one's work is easy, or that when faced with the ques= tion 'So, what do you do?' to answer in an oblique fashion; rather = it is to say focusing on the result (the intent) and the ability to engage = oneself in that focus and remain focused is what separates an artist from t= hose who dabble in art. For an artist, it is the ability to shift technique= s rapidly and maintain consistency in an approach when faced with the '= end wall' or 'limit' of an initial technique that is the determ= ining factor between success and failure.=A0

Tangentially speaking[writing]: sometimes its best to leave = the titles to academia; othertimes it's not (as in pre-empt the academi= c elite with a description to work for- or even against.)

Either way, if it materializes art, than the process is a succes= s, no matter what its called!

(For the record, I h= ear a difference between almost every music played before an audience and p= layed in a studio. The exceptions are often the players that end up on my s= hort list of 'favorites.')
--14dae9340d4bac230b04b126839c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 15:31:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E560218345F; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:31:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EB7F9BE.3090203@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 07:31:10 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anders Bergdahl CC: Loopers Delight Subject: Re: RE: livelooping. organic References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:31:16 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: > YEs and no.. there quite a few musicians using synth and drummachines > in a live manner, creating drum loops and synth sound/sequences/loops > as they improvise live.. Quite usual in a lot of techno/IDM today.. From my experience, though, most are augmenting pre-existing sequences by adding/subtracting notes and by switching, in real time, between different tracks that have been pre-written. I could be wrong (and please correct me if I am, Anders, because I want to be knowledgeable) but I would venture to say that very, very few are composing sequences in real time. I say this as an experienced drum machine programmer. It's one thing to customize by adding and subtracting to tracks you've already written but it takes too much time to program an entire sophisticated drum machine pattern in real time. I know there are a lot of programs that have algorithmic changes that are possible (Stylus RMX, for example), but quite frankly, I think they can produce interesting patterns but they do NOT, imho, sound like real drummers drumming. I'm probably a lot more sophisticated than most listeners but I can spot those kinds of programs a mile away when people are using them live. Okay, edu-ma-cate me.......... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 15:35:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38E48183464; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:35:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EB7FAB6.8050009@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 07:35:18 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Per Boysen CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: The livelooping demon References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:35:24 +0000 (UTC) agreed, Andy, well said! rick On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Excellent write-up! :-) > > Per > > > > On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 10:59 AM, andy butler wrote: >> Way back long ago Looper's Delight folk were happy >> to talk about "looping". >> >> LD was set up as as place to share *all kinds of loop music*. >> As far as I know it still is that, there's a lot of live loop >> people here but in a decade or so I only read one or two posts >> that said canned loops were not music ( and not for many years now). >> >> So when the community started organising "Festivals of Looping" >> and didn't invite anyone that used pre-recorded loop it was firmly pointed >> out that this was a misrepresentation >> of the term "looping". >> >> After that the term "live looping" started to be used for events, >> open to anyone as long as live looping technology played a significant >> part in their performance. >> >> So the whole point of the term was to distinguish between different looping >> approaches, and it was adopted because >> there were objections to the use of the term "looping" in that context. >> >> >> A few years down the line it became apparent that the new technology >> was giving rise to some interesting new musics, stuff that just wouldn't >> happen without the technology. >> Some of us call that "livelooping music", or simply use the term >> "livelooping" >> in the context of describing the music. >> There isn't any intention to define what the technique of live looping is >> hidden in that, why on earth would there there be? >> (and some may notice a typographic clue to confirm that). >> >> >> >> There plainly isn't any authoritative body that's going to tell you what to >> call your music, or to say whether you "do live looping". >> >> There's no division between insiders who "do live looping" and outsiders >> who don't. >> >> There's just free individuals who can call their music whatever they >> like, play it with whatever technology they like, and have any opinion they >> fancy about the music they hear. >> >> andy butler >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 15:51:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECCE518345D; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:51:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 166114.27054.bm@omp1049.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1320681107; bh=Yef/zUgEvgEcYqpemN7ojhdkih4EbmrEqh4YLNXuJ7A=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ENIGwe4P52Daoez/h6NdgB4xDefkX4OLsuyacG58l9t4Cyxbz4y5TacTbnfOPxxMF/CZSL26HCW95WfK75/sVQDeF1jzSNzfwg6YYtRu9rlAJ+gx3MK74qBrV2rNgUnMr7AFifJFsv2CHoesxsW1LEiuD1+BVBS2UmzcC1x3rHY= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EAyjNiCxgXfgXhjKkmGm9uPvRm5se9AzcTeDcnHEoZr+sAhc1F8cKq11/bHrOOjW0LycH4jUvq4J+FtS7eTtJt+iVHvQ7TgazMcKvwrV0Ew7Kv1bKiAuPzQkC+KlyvWHcNlR1R2wxtjJXdEBE6rsigdnXtQTKYsm7bGgcJwICrk=; X-YMail-OSG: 82rBahsVM1lueSY48tsAQB3vsKXX9.YcHw3cdEJLZgiT1L5 54GufYUaidjgGqPR6NFx_QilY6UDR7.03nEKZGtC0E7cF9G5PEO67J8YJe4Z IXPYDOxAaKjToSSSo.S6GCpwt5Pre3lugl1Mu28psBAIlPdsyBOaOKRnRTIk Ze4xwSKMjXhhTIOkkfmTS06KC5xps6k_L5nPEen3OfBcgjtGWwzxbHZ3qZ3l PzLbAREo5vQz7HZVjKUHN5fyNZKpUVJ_DzNC2ns2_l9Zc6uq1.US.mrxkU7B SnZLGxYA7I6TEQ.bUCMooR8N.5COdB7f5rofuQEK.2sYnOcvjDRvZ1ZCeQP2 .tLs175c6jm89KzJKAiG0Ssf5jujZOvob.dZwj98PqyqV_3Lo1N7onrog47m xo9ntZyWwx6dYYtP9f9x_2BfX1pDD2GzVhIxpOFEvws6KvkDVF50xzV3sUn7 UHUotYLRTqOh561d.IU.GGowOImTlnflJJCyt7obn6i8S4CKpNC4DmVfOMJb H7fLGDI6OM9_4rMhZCw-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.325013 Message-ID: <1320681107.99699.YahooMailNeo@web161305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 07:51:47 -0800 (PST) From: david kirkdorffer Reply-To: david kirkdorffer Subject: 1.1.11 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1854988078-127995812-1320681107=:99699" Resent-Message-ID: <8YX2VB.A.TVF.T6_tOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:51:47 +0000 (UTC) --1854988078-127995812-1320681107=:99699 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi.=0A=A0=0AAs various "fun" dates roll around, I use them as excuses to re= cord.=A0 I'm not into numerology; rather, I use the dates as a one-time opp= ortunity to "do" something.=A0 I've been doing this since 9.9.99.=A0 How ve= ry UNDO of me, eh?=0A=A0=0AWith 11.11.11 this Friday, I'll be recording som= ething (I never know what!).=A0 =0A=A0=0AHere's a link to what I recorded o= n 1.1.11 -- http://soundcloud.com/undomusic/undo-1-1-11=0A=A0=0ABest,=0A=A0= =0ADavid --1854988078-127995812-1320681107=:99699 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi.
 
As various "fun" dates roll around, I use them a= s excuses to record.  I'm not into numerology; rather, I use the dates= as a one-time opportunity to "do" something.  I've been doing this si= nce 9.9.99.  How very UNDO of me, eh?
 
With 11.11.11 this Friday, I'll be recording som= ething (I never know what!). 
 
Here's a link to what I recorded on 1.1.11 -- http://soundcloud.com= /undomusic/undo-1-1-11
 
Best,
 
David
<= /body> --1854988078-127995812-1320681107=:99699-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 15:57:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5F3818345E; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:57:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 160580.276.bm@omp1051.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1320681457; bh=u6Pc4HOxe+/kONw5nzgsaevf8oUvAdDkHMXgJgQZSGM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=RIW9YVxWM05cA7wFm2TmvnbWZW9Sv63NmDa5wTo9uHGgCufMUGLA8y1kMeoSphgqVYm9rYa0NJAtNarzhr1d4LjO+Vzi4owZ2a9+UxuqaqtfibMMLMj/BabmB7of4e4Au03hLBvb/L3n/bXk4l2f8wv8ZRiMmlV4N+ylI8qlD+A= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=S+SpjImmkhiCS8Dnwj7M+okwRJ23EuOGFJdoWIc8Nf4KlqP8+bdkLlFk3XwMvzHxnBjLQc9LVr4MzC2b/WIiS0FEkLwQItxUfOfOe2q46wtsO2xGuXZvkyy66MNBTuQhFZcmJBPcU9ZXabzZvNOGTAnY/NwgkqumC+0nldwkxOk=; X-YMail-OSG: BYeUViUVM1nS9ni6DjpfLAn5chPMAHbIN1FIbt4xw6zZEPg 7mIRJ2pAD0nWXhAOSMDjSmjbGzuKc1.Was_RFs2UM7qDz7Kmks4LzJJm28GO hnFR9_Ilr9KtxbU6_iDGWyqIuXYjKTDGRepd91lrCyykcEMFLcOWtj.izv1C wliUvho26n8b1da3aytv81hFW9K5wjbS6gtP_MldXOewUfrfU7qn43X3GM98 6MScBURteXLN1nbN1_9XBLqMXlSLzpn3QVBvDtDuHC.J4S6p5O9O526jf3xH Vzb24gLRQRMrzsNvonaAkIryOjJhQF.RW1wzxQMAJTo9zQO6TRDxbMR6.oFl ZyCWYlJKd0rtDeXTU8QqHFsQFMK7tD0iWYTCQS9kT0WVhWlxs6lJjf9ufGDT 9N4RqdiqHAP4OwfKGQwGXoLN5IhegTN2IWkXcKwOwBP1hebV8jHIiUrd8V_4 ZYM9JaDmzbFQbt2m.UNqOmFUmLN_3M5v4dKR4RS3MhLxP7ikaz3lg13.f7WA 3ggK0e3q4_nChCC7V07fzzh0jV872otEtqu0BYpk- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.325013 References: <1320681107.99699.YahooMailNeo@web161305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1320681457.14776.YahooMailNeo@web161301.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 07:57:37 -0800 (PST) From: david kirkdorffer Reply-To: david kirkdorffer Subject: 10.10.10 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <1320681107.99699.YahooMailNeo@web161305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-201759553-1547497939-1320681457=:14776" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:57:37 +0000 (UTC) ---201759553-1547497939-1320681457=:14776 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry for the double-posting.... here's a link to what a recording from 10.= 10.10. http://soundcloud.com/undomusic/02-track-2=0A=A0=0AI think it may be= one of my best UNDO recordings of recent years.=0AAll guitar and bass, no = synths.=0A=A0=0ABest, =0A=A0=0ADavid=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=0A>____________________= ____________=0A>From: david kirkdorffer =0A>To: "Loo= pers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" =0A>= Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 10:51 AM=0A>Subject: 1.1.11=0A>=0A>=0A>Hi.= =0A>=0A>As various "fun" dates roll around, I use them as excuses to record= .=A0 I'm not into numerology; rather, I use the dates as a one-time opportu= nity to "do" something.=A0 I've been doing this since 9.9.99.=A0 How very U= NDO of me, eh?=0A>=0A>With 11.11.11 this Friday, I'll be recording somethin= g (I never know what!).=A0 =0A>=0A>Here's a link to what I recorded on 1.1.= 11 -- http://soundcloud.com/undomusic/undo-1-1-11=0A>=0A>Best,=0A>=0A>David= =0A>=0A> ---201759553-1547497939-1320681457=:14776 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry for the double-posting.... here's a link to wh= at a recording from 10.10.10. http://soundcloud.com/undomusic/02-track-2
 
I think it may be on= e of my best UNDO recordings of recent years.
All guitar and bass,= no synths.
 
Best,
 
David
 
 
From:= david kirkdorffer <unstrungone@yahoo.com>
To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.co= m" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 10:51 AM
Subject: 1.1.11

Hi.
 
As various "fun" dates roll around, I use them as excuses to record.&n= bsp; I'm not into numerology; rather, I use the dates as a one-time opportu= nity to "do" something.  I've been doing this since 9.9.99.  How = very UNDO of me, eh?
 
With 11.11.11 this Friday, I'll be recording something (I never know w= hat!). 
 
Here's a link to what I recorded on 1.1.11 -- http://soundcloud.com/un= domusic/undo-1-1-11
 
Best,
 
David


---201759553-1547497939-1320681457=:14776-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 16:03:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55E15183460; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 16:03:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ItSgKUvEgpuArvFeGcEX9ho8h0+4pTt73K5WgrMP114= c=1 sm=0 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=A2bGdCcTAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=oTtuw1C_AAAA:8 a=FcAFIstCAAAA:8 a=7IQqTvLwBOaIqzKAx8cA:9 a=XK5dWoCcZ6E4P0oJr-IA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=pQ2a0EFxmsAA:10 a=NV0LgFqsyRYA:10 a=RbAeZRDpHyo8VWDx:21 a=JSUDE2UaiZhLiuRY:21 a=PCIXu9QagVMsmNBKxBkQ4Q==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Re: The livelooping demon References: <4EB7FAB6.8050009@cruzio.com> From: chaz worm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A334) In-Reply-To: <4EB7FAB6.8050009@cruzio.com> Message-Id: Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 11:03:47 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 16:03:49 +0000 (UTC) I understand what I do is barely looping and I really like to use this list t= o keep my thumb on the pulse of what real loopers do. My first example is a song I've done called Goody Titanic Shoes. Occasionall= y I'll hear a song that starts with one instrument. I will quickly loop that= opening phrase. This example it's the ubiquitous opening drum beat to Adam A= nt's Goody Two Shoes. I do this on the fly and if my timing isnt spot on pe= rfect a train wreck ensues.=20 I got me a great drum line to base a song around.=20 This case the song is that Celine Dion song from Titanic. It's surprising ho= w adding a better drum beat and banjo will do to a love song.=20 That's not looping but it's hard to do and funny as hell.=20 The other song that would not fall into the category of live.looping is my c= over of Bad Religions Stranger Than Fiction. I was always very reluctant to d= o it live because the beat was such a hyper 2/4 beat it was just easier to p= ull a "Taj Mahal" and sing, or "beat box"(is that the correct term), the dru= m part. I would love to do this song due to its 4-part harmony loop I would s= ing on the fly , but I was reluctant to play it due to the cheesy mouth drum= s. I have recently did a decent approximation of my mouth drums by beating a= bd slapping my banjo head. I may YouTube me doing it either way. I can do t= he mouth drums faster and the song sounds better really fast.=20 Both examples are interesting but I would hardly call the Former live loopin= g; funny yes.=20 The latter I just don't know which way to approach the drums. Turn it into a= C&W song with my banjo drums or leave it more "punky" and do it with mouth d= rums.=20 Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo Earth, Worm, &, Fire and Electric Light Opry http://chazworm.com http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm On Nov 7, 2011, at 10:35 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > agreed, Andy, well said! >=20 > rick >=20 >=20 > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> Excellent write-up! :-) >>=20 >> Per >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 10:59 AM, andy butler wro= te: >>> Way back long ago Looper's Delight folk were happy >>> to talk about "looping". >>>=20 >>> LD was set up as as place to share *all kinds of loop music*. >>> As far as I know it still is that, there's a lot of live loop >>> people here but in a decade or so I only read one or two posts >>> that said canned loops were not music ( and not for many years now). >>>=20 >>> So when the community started organising "Festivals of Looping" >>> and didn't invite anyone that used pre-recorded loop it was firmly point= ed >>> out that this was a misrepresentation >>> of the term "looping". >>>=20 >>> After that the term "live looping" started to be used for events, >>> open to anyone as long as live looping technology played a significant >>> part in their performance. >>>=20 >>> So the whole point of the term was to distinguish between different loop= ing >>> approaches, and it was adopted because >>> there were objections to the use of the term "looping" in that context. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> A few years down the line it became apparent that the new technology >>> was giving rise to some interesting new musics, stuff that just wouldn't= >>> happen without the technology. >>> Some of us call that "livelooping music", or simply use the term >>> "livelooping" >>> in the context of describing the music. >>> There isn't any intention to define what the technique of live looping i= s >>> hidden in that, why on earth would there there be? >>> (and some may notice a typographic clue to confirm that). >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> There plainly isn't any authoritative body that's going to tell you what= to >>> call your music, or to say whether you "do live looping". >>>=20 >>> There's no division between insiders who "do live looping" and outsiders= >>> who don't. >>>=20 >>> There's just free individuals who can call their music whatever they >>> like, play it with whatever technology they like, and have any opinion t= hey >>> fancy about the music they hear. >>>=20 >>> andy butler >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 16:05:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3615218345F; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 16:05:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=uqFKTtVPEp/ISkIey2CZgy/wD1447sWBCmnARmnDOt4=; b=YG7RCLm3wu6FOWqTsJHSMMpNJ7f204COFgNp7GKSsRzDlIWXHP/TI+1Pa4Qc62Y5/V mCk82c1meSMVeIAOtk/qVozc6eIi7Xpc8JJJl845f5lme02YfWNhNBA4oIBL9D5IC8fb w5CT+zkjuSOzSxqYNCriyBVxYLPn8qqjqzdck= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4EB7F9BE.3090203@cruzio.com> References: <4EB7F9BE.3090203@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 17:05:34 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: RE: livelooping. organic From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 16:05:36 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > I know there are a lot of programs that have algorithmic changes that are > possible (Stylus RMX, for example), but quite frankly, =C2=A0I think they= can > produce interesting patterns but they do NOT, imho, =C2=A0sound like real > drummers drumming. He, he... :-) I think the point using such gear is to not sound like real drummers drumming. Reminds me of how disappointed I felt when checking out he first "digital drum machines". In 1980 I expected these new "drum machines" to be like what the Korg Electribe, the KaossPad etc are today. But what did I find? Crappy recordings of real drum sounds! In my vision this new invention should expand rhythmic ensemble work options for musicians - not just parroting what-we-already-have with a bad accent. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 18:00:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A67B18345B; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:00:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_0c5a1218-b7ac-4319-ba72-b7ad07a769dc_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: livelooping. organic Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 17:59:59 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4EB7F9BE.3090203@cruzio.com> References: ,<4EB7F9BE.3090203@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2011 17:59:59.0801 (UTC) FILETIME=[10F43290:01CC9D77] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:00:01 +0000 (UTC) --_0c5a1218-b7ac-4319-ba72-b7ad07a769dc_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes most are re-using pre-programmed sequences but quite a few Elektron use= rs are experimenting and improvising on both drum machines (Machine drum) a= nd the Synth sequencer from Elektron (Monomachine).. and a few are re-sampl= ing the drum and synths and improvising with slicing and and warping the lo= ops... this is not the "usual" style but there are a few of the guys in the= Elektirn forum that started with techno stuff but are drifting into more i= mprovisation. What think is interesting with this as well as some other ele= ctronica and noise music is that traditional instruments are not needed.. o= ne can by using sequences that are tweaked and re sampled live create music= al pieces that are completely new.. I also found Ipad apps such as "samplew= iz" where you can play the sample as very interesting.. I think that this i= s a "new" style of the future.. perhaps... I do think that it enables music= that focus on texture=2C atmosphere and sound and very little on playing m= elodies.. in a way an extension of "ambient!".. but I really like the idea = of playing samples a waveform as well as traditional "notes"... (sorry for = all the Elektron references=2C I have been lurking a while on the elektron = forum in order to understand how the Octatack works..) For example look at = this and try to imagine what you can do=2C both with can and live sampled l= oops=2C LIVE...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DaW_m04bLOk8 And some live sampling combined with "canned" loops.. (not great bu somewha= t fun)..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DI2pcMZGDPKY&feature=3Drelated And then completly live guitar processing.. (live looping.. :-)http://sound= cloud.com/anders-bergdahl/the-lost-apprentice-of-the > Date: Mon=2C 7 Nov 2011 07:31:10 -0800 > From: looppool@cruzio.com > To: anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com > CC: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: RE: livelooping. organic >=20 > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM=2C Anders Bergdahl wrote: > > YEs and no.. there quite a few musicians using synth and drummachines=20 > > in a live manner=2C creating drum loops and synth sound/sequences/loops= =20 > > as they improvise live.. Quite usual in a lot of techno/IDM today..=20 > From my experience=2C though=2C most are augmenting pre-existing sequen= ces=20 > by adding/subtracting notes > and by switching=2C in real time=2C between different tracks that have be= en=20 > pre-written. >=20 > I could be wrong (and please correct me if I am=2C Anders=2C because I wa= nt=20 > to be knowledgeable) > but I would venture to say that very=2C very few are composing sequences= =20 > in real time. >=20 > I say this as an experienced drum machine programmer. It's one thing=20 > to customize by adding and subtracting > to tracks you've already written but it takes too much time to program=20 > an entire sophisticated drum machine > pattern in real time. >=20 > I know there are a lot of programs that have algorithmic changes that=20 > are possible (Stylus RMX=2C for example)=2C but quite frankly=2C I think= they=20 > can produce interesting patterns but they do NOT=2C imho=2C sound like r= eal=20 > drummers drumming. > I'm probably a lot more sophisticated than most listeners but I can spot= =20 > those kinds of programs a mile > away when people are using them live. >=20 > Okay=2C edu-ma-cate me.......... >=20 = --_0c5a1218-b7ac-4319-ba72-b7ad07a769dc_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes most are re-using pre-programmed =3Bsequences but quite a few Ele= ktron users are =3Bexperimenting =3Band improvising on both drum&nb= sp=3Bmachines =3B(Machine drum) and the Synth sequencer from Elektron (= Monomachine).. and a few are re-sampling the drum and synths and improvisin= g with slicing and and warping the loops... this is not the "usual" style b= ut there are a few of the guys in the Elektirn forum that started with tech= no stuff but are drifting into more improvisation. What think is =3Bint= eresting =3Bwith this as well as some other electronica and noise music= is that traditional instruments are not needed.. one can by using sequence= s that are tweaked and =3Bre sampled =3Blive create musical =3B= pieces =3Bthat are =3Bcompletely =3Bnew.. I also found Ipad app= s such as "samplewiz" where you can play the sample as very =3Binterest= ing.. I think that this is a "new" style of the future.. perhaps... I do th= ink that it enables music that focus on texture=2C atmosphere and sound and= very little on playing melodies.. in a way an =3Bextension =3Bof "= ambient!".. but I really like the idea of playing samples a =3Bwaveform=  =3Bas well as traditional "notes"... =3B
(sorry for all the Elektron&n= bsp=3Breferences=2C I have been lurking a while on the elektron forum in or= der to understand how the Octatack works..) =3B
For example look at t= his and try to imagine what you can do=2C both with can and live sampled lo= ops=2C LIVE...
=
And some live sampling combined with "canned" loops.. (not g= reat bu somewhat fun)..

And then com= pletly live guitar processing.. (live looping.. :-)
http://soun= dcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/the-lost-apprentice-of-the

>=3B Date: Mon=2C 7 Nov 2= 011 07:31:10 -0800
>=3B From: looppool@cruzio.com
>=3B To: anders= _e_bergdahl@hotmail.com
>=3B CC: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com>=3B Subject: Re: RE: livelooping. organic
>=3B
>=3B On 7/22= /64 11:59 AM=2C Anders Bergdahl wrote:
>=3B >=3B YEs and no.. there = quite a few musicians using synth and drummachines
>=3B >=3B in a l= ive manner=2C creating drum loops and synth sound/sequences/loops
>= =3B >=3B as they improvise live.. Quite usual in a lot of techno/IDM toda= y..
>=3B From my experience=2C though=2C most are augmenting pre-ex= isting sequences
>=3B by adding/subtracting notes
>=3B and by sw= itching=2C in real time=2C between different tracks that have been
>= =3B pre-written.
>=3B
>=3B I could be wrong (and please correct = me if I am=2C Anders=2C because I want
>=3B to be knowledgeable)
&= gt=3B but I would venture to say that very=2C very few are composing sequen= ces
>=3B in real time.
>=3B
>=3B I say this as an experien= ced drum machine programmer. It's one thing
>=3B to customize by ad= ding and subtracting
>=3B to tracks you've already written but it take= s too much time to program
>=3B an entire sophisticated drum machine<= br>>=3B pattern in real time.
>=3B
>=3B I know there are a lot= of programs that have algorithmic changes that
>=3B are possible (St= ylus RMX=2C for example)=2C but quite frankly=2C I think they
>=3B c= an produce interesting patterns but they do NOT=2C imho=2C sound like real=
>=3B drummers drumming.
>=3B I'm probably a lot more sophistica= ted than most listeners but I can spot
>=3B those kinds of programs a= mile
>=3B away when people are using them live.
>=3B
>=3B = Okay=2C edu-ma-cate me..........
>=3B
= --_0c5a1218-b7ac-4319-ba72-b7ad07a769dc_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 19:23:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B04B183460; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 19:23:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_7c4d78fd-72f5-4a8d-a5da-565dae3029a0_" X-Originating-IP: [83.100.202.84] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: livelooping. organic Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 19:23:43 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,<4EB7F9BE.3090203@cruzio.com>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2011 19:23:44.0217 (UTC) FILETIME=[C3BD3C90:01CC9D82] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 19:23:45 +0000 (UTC) --_7c4d78fd-72f5-4a8d-a5da-565dae3029a0_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 http://youtu.be/hofzD8y2tT4 =20 =20 This is a strange co-incidence=2C I have been letting my LD posts stack up = month on month with only the occational dip in=2C but today I really felt t= he urge...to find this!!! WONDERFUL. =20 It perfectly encapsulates my internal own thought process. =20 When I began live looping I was using prely the manipuation of a guitar to = achieve me results=2C then I bought a guitar synth (and adjusted my "all or= ganic " ethos to become "all created with a guitar"...then i found that sim= ply tapping on my guitar was proving a little weak for a drum pattern compa= red with the synth...so I bought a handsonic and again moved ethos to "all = played in live by hand"... =20 this methodology fit really well and has formed the backbone of my ethos ev= er since...public performances where what the view hears is entirely dictat= ed by the notes/knobs/frets that i choose ot use or not use. =20 However=2C as my music has progressed I have allowed myself to shift fluidl= y between inputting my notes live into an audio looper (echoplexes) and inp= utting the same notes and chords into MIDI loopers ( electribes and commend= stations etc ) . =20 Now once again to affirm=2C EVERYTHING I DO IS LIVE. I allow myself a singl= e hi hat click track to establish tempo...but even this I am slowly dismiss= ing as a write new patches because I have found ways around that. Basically= all I have is the patches...the core sound elements that I play=2C no diff= erant to a guitarist choosing what tone to set his amp on or which effects = pedal to turn on......... =20 But somehow I don't know if I am a "looper" any more=2C or if this is the = right forum for me? Now I know I am maybe an over analytical=2C over sensit= ive person....indeed in my many active years here=2C I remember many loops = frmo such iluminaries as mr La Fosse with Drum machine beats alongside loop= s=2C but I still wasnt sure if I was qualified to be here any more. =20 so anyway=2C here included is a recent performance. every week at least onc= e a week I do a complete improvisation with whatever tools I can be bothere= d to thrw in my car=2C thats it =2C no big plan..i do it =2C i record it=2C= i put it on my channel=2C I wait for the next time to play. =20 So I have chosen one where there s SOME audio looping (the hang style patch= I created on my hand sonic and play through the Echoplex. =20 so yer=2C thanks for listening / reading =2C let me know if I am still a l= ive looper or not. =20 thanks Phill MyOneManBand =20 = --_7c4d78fd-72f5-4a8d-a5da-565dae3029a0_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 =3B
http://youtu.be/hofzD8y2tT4
 =3B
 =3B
This is a strange co-incidence=2C I have been letting my LD posts stack up = month on month with only the occational dip in=2C but today I really felt t= he urge...to find this!!! WONDERFUL.
 =3B
It perfectly encapsulates my internal own thought process.
 =3B
When I began live =3Blooping I was using prely the manipuation of a gui= tar to achieve me results=2C then I bought a guitar synth (and adjusted my = "all organic " ethos to become "all created with a guitar"...then i found t= hat simply tapping on my guitar was proving a little weak for a drum patter= n compared with the synth...so I bought a handsonic and again moved ethos t= o "all played in live by hand"...
 =3B
this =3Bmethodology fit really well and has formed the backbone of my e= thos ever since...public performances where what the view =3Bhears is e= ntirely dictated by the notes/knobs/frets that i choose ot use or not use.<= BR>  =3B
However=2C as my music has progressed I have allowed myself to shift fluidl= y between inputting my notes live into an audio looper (echoplexes) and inp= utting the same notes and chords into MIDI loopers ( electribes and commend= stations etc ) .
 =3B
Now once again to affirm=2C EVERYTHING I DO IS LIVE. I allow myself a singl= e hi hat click track to establish tempo...but even this I am slowly dismiss= ing as a write new patches because I have found ways around that. Basically= all I have is the patches...the core sound elements that I play=2C no diff= erant to a guitarist choosing what tone to set his amp on or which effects = pedal to turn on.........
 =3B
But somehow I don't know if I am a "looper" =3B any more=2C or if this = is the right forum for me? Now I know I am maybe an over analytical=2C over= sensitive =3Bperson....indeed in my many active years here=2C I rememb= er many loops frmo such iluminaries as mr La Fosse with Drum machine beats = alongside loops=2C but =3B I still =3Bwasnt sure if I was qualified=  =3Bto be here any more.
 =3B
so anyway=2C here included is a recent performance. every week at least onc= e a week I do a complete improvisation with whatever tools I can be bothere= d to thrw in my car=2C thats it =2C no big plan..i do it =2C i record it=2C= i put it on my channel=2C I wait for the next time to play.
 =3B
So I have chosen one where there s SOME audio looping (the hang style patch= I created on =3Bmy hand sonic and play through the Echoplex.
 =3B
so yer=2C thanks for listening =3B / reading =2C let me know if I am st= ill a live looper or not.
 =3B
thanks

Phill MyOneManBand
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= --_7c4d78fd-72f5-4a8d-a5da-565dae3029a0_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 19:43:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7883018345E; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 19:43:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 813911.10486.bm@omp1013.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1320695022; bh=jW1w8rKpayF6Mk2/W9lPPexqyZ0d3pIXavqr76AUcMM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Cc:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Mailer; b=wbBvlhluNpl1ljuJDB/LePMJtHgmdS41IqdwnN+zA2LFVP/BiLfDKCl8RXeIHB6WlsK/kkaSVBqCWEkTgsaafDMbA2c+KDOzMJJ8lceI54MqIQ8WDXpx3FguTL5srtmOgBmF6mdl2gJ1+vhgVkrKvFlI1NKN7gxc4KSPKjm0bg0= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: C1dWJvsVM1k0soD9exOPbsHl72vx9wq0PHRX7j3Xx8aT4uj NxDFCArn5oXQxYjY.IA_Sjx.XFlBUwA2Gx1qSIHWn_KK8xoX6yxewCVqGdQu C6ECtdjWkIju_GQeZ9kYRul6p5cqrcegRhOXYXYQQjkvvvhXCT32R4FCwfgD dOoe37ZQNDSMwb7xWvHogpvm5Xjpan4Z.yA7jhLREQz0gkpkexm5ee2A_S_. 5gFcMYa9XOJeopqRYQIvwe2yUpurp5C05K6MGq2zdnXoFf.dLL0ad47.CfyO 92UWitnJbP_ssFHjN4zfwocfvgw542zQfLVxVc66qmsZEjanKi6oE61lXKJj ._JBC2_7t1DoK8PYxnedpOKMmKm9.OC8RexpfQfpLKmdLCdTBRN3_Uv9VaMo 1CmsfSI_wjxVbFfZtEwBbg82IoiqhemzHdB0E92Evr4VTKdfhLWbljCgPNH3 s.s4FbzLN7KCk82dTTH_70yvBsErvpmTa4sw.t3C6olcl3w-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <956536F3-FCC2-44E4-A300-DD788A72215D@carlsonarts.com> From: Michael Carlson Music To: david kirkdorffer In-Reply-To: <1320681107.99699.YahooMailNeo@web161305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-937920792 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: 1.1.11 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 11:43:40 -0800 References: <1320681107.99699.YahooMailNeo@web161305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 19:43:44 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5-937920792 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David, I turned 30 on 09-09-99. Then, ten years later, I chose my looping moniker - TripleOhNine - because my fortieth birthday was 09-09-09! Now that damn Herman Cain is trying to steal my name with his %$#$ nine nine nine campaign. Peace, Michael Carlson (TripleOhNine) On Nov 7, 2011, at 7:51 AM, david kirkdorffer wrote: > Hi. > > As various "fun" dates roll around, I use them as excuses to > record. I'm not into numerology; rather, I use the dates as a one- > time opportunity to "do" something. I've been doing this since > 9.9.99. How very UNDO of me, eh? > > With 11.11.11 this Friday, I'll be recording something (I never know > what!). > > Here's a link to what I recorded on 1.1.11 -- http://soundcloud.com/undomusic/undo-1-1-11 > > Best, > > David --Apple-Mail-5-937920792 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable David,

I = turned 30 on 09-09-99.  Then, ten years later, I chose my looping = moniker - TripleOhNine - because my fortieth birthday was 09-09-09! =  Now that damn Herman Cain is trying to steal my name with his %$#$ = nine nine nine campaign. =  

Peace,
Michael = Carlson
(TripleOhNine)

On Nov 7, 2011, = at 7:51 AM, david kirkdorffer wrote:

Hi.
 
As various "fun" dates roll around, I use them as = excuses to record.  I'm not into numerology; rather, I use the = dates as a one-time opportunity to "do" something.  I've been doing = this since 9.9.99.  How very UNDO of me, eh?
 
With = 11.11.11 this Friday, I'll be recording something (I never know = what!). 
 
Here's a link to what I recorded on 1.1.11 -- http://soundcloud.com= /undomusic/undo-1-1-11
 
=
Best,
 
David

= = --Apple-Mail-5-937920792-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 20:38:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E22118345F; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 20:38:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_0f8bef1a-bdee-4b5d-8404-aef994227edc_" X-Originating-IP: [213.249.240.2] From: phillip wilson To: , , Subject: RE: livelooping. organic Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 20:38:56 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4EB7F9BE.3090203@cruzio.com> References: ,<4EB7F9BE.3090203@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2011 20:38:57.0434 (UTC) FILETIME=[45D37FA0:01CC9D8D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 20:38:58 +0000 (UTC) --_0f8bef1a-bdee-4b5d-8404-aef994227edc_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > but I would venture to say that very=2C very few are composing sequences= =20 > in real time. >=20 =20 Im sorry if this ends up being a double post...it seems that more often the= n not I don't seem to recieve my own posts to group... =20 anyway=2C live creation of music using midi recording devices played live i= s the hub of my current setup. and this thread has really re-ignited my int= erest within a group who didn't feel i was still part of. =20 My work is contructed on a custom midi controller =2C Korg ESX=2C ER=2C an= d EMU MP7 along with a host of other tweak gear...its all unplanned and liv= e in realtime=2C and i dont use a laptop / mac setup=2C its all hardware. =20 my channel is here=2C=20 =20 http://www.youtube.com/phillwilson=20 =20 if you are at a loose end and fancy a look. =20 I totally know what you mean about the difficultys in working within this p= aradigm=2C but i am always learning and always evolving in terms of finding= new ways to keep extending the possibilities of this style of looping . =20 One of the main reasons I moved to this style of looping was that i was loo= king for a third way between the "static or < shaped building loop method" = as favoured by most beginner loopers including myself =2C and the "fade out= old stuff whilst fading in new stuff" morphic looping as favoured my many = ambient artists... =20 I wanted =2C as was always my end game even over 12 years ago when i starte= d on this journey=2C was to be a self sufficiant band...not a novelty or a = solo artist but someone who could access the same pallette as a live electr= onic band. =20 i'm not saying i am even that close to that yet=2C but i know every day I a= m growing in terms of what I CAN do =2C and i feel that midi lets me break = free of the "once its in=2C its in " dynamic...i can keep each plate spinni= ng in its own midi track and then at any given point=2C come back to that s= ingle plate and give it a new momentum=2C change its notes or beat=2C mute = it or drop it back in...its a very powerful way of working...the nice part = about the road i have taken to get hear is i am used to working within limi= tations ( i started with just a RC-20) so there is very little i wont try (= except pre-recorded..that just breaks my own rules) so if i need a longer= piece i play it on the guitar or guitar synth=2C if its an 8 par phrase is= might be looped on the kaossilator one time or looped in the command stati= on next...its avery free way of working. =20 anyways=2C i have ran out of steam and rather lost my thread...again sorry = for the re-post if you guys got my earlier one re affirming my purpose with= in the group....but yer=2C thanks for listening. =20 phill myonemanband = --_0f8bef1a-bdee-4b5d-8404-aef994227edc_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>=3B but I would venture to say that very=2C very few are composing seque= nces
>=3B in real time.
>=3B

 =3B
Im sorry if this ends up being a double post...it seems that more often the= n not I don't seem to recieve my own posts to group...
 =3B
anyway=2C live creation of music using midi =3Brecording devices played= live is the hub of my current setup. and this thread has really re-ignited= my interest within a group who didn't feel i was still part of.
 =3B
My work =3B is contructed on a custom midi controller =2C Korg ESX=2C E= R=2C and EMU =3BMP7 along with a host of other tweak gear...its all unp= lanned and live in realtime=2C and i dont use a laptop / mac setup=2C its a= ll hardware.
 =3B
my channel is here=2C
 =3B
http://www.youtube.com/phill= wilson
 =3B
if you are at a loose end and fancy a look.
 =3B
I totally know what you mean about the difficultys in working within this p= aradigm=2C but i am always learning and always evolving in terms of finding= new ways to keep extending the possibilities of this style of looping .  =3B
One of the main reasons I moved to this style of looping was that i was loo= king for a third way between the "static or <=3B shaped building loop met= hod" as favoured by most beginner loopers including myself =2C and the "fad= e out old stuff whilst fading in new stuff" morphic looping as favoured my = many ambient artists...
 =3B
I wanted =2C as was always my end game even over 12 years ago when i starte= d on this journey=2C was to be a self sufficiant band...not a novelty or&nb= sp=3Ba solo artist but someone who could access the same pallette as a live= electronic band.
 =3B
i'm not saying i am even that close to that yet=2C but i know every day I a= m growing in terms of what I CAN do =2C and i feel that midi lets me break = free of the "once its in=2C its in " dynamic...i can keep each plate spinni= ng in its own midi track and then at any given point=2C come back to that s= ingle plate and give it a new momentum=2C change its notes or beat=2C mute = it or drop it back in...its a very powerful way of working...the nice part = about the road i have taken to get hear is i am used to working within limi= tations ( i started with just a RC-20) so there is very little i wont try (= except pre-recorded..that just breaks my own rules) =3B so if i need a= longer piece i play it on the guitar or guitar synth=2C if its an 8 par ph= rase is might be looped on the kaossilator one time or looped in the comman= d station next...its =3B avery free way of working.
 =3B
anyways=2C i have ran out of steam and rather lost my thread...again sorry = for the re-post if you guys got my earlier one re affirming my purpose with= in the group....but yer=2C thanks for listening.
 =3B
phill myonemanband
= --_0f8bef1a-bdee-4b5d-8404-aef994227edc_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 22:55:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF8B518345E; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 22:55:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EB861DA.10601@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:55:22 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: phillip wilson CC: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: livelooping. organic References: ,<4EB7F9BE.3090203@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 22:55:28 +0000 (UTC) Your project is really interesting Phillip! Thanks for sharing it. I'm with Andy Butler when he says that this group was created originally to talk about looping music in general ........not live looping specifically. Naturally, out of this came a group of people who were more interested in live looping than in looping music per se. A lot of them, including me, are pretty active on this mailing list. but this particular thread has been with those people and started out because I specifically talked about what had happened at recent live looping festivals. However, I want to go on record that I support the discussion of ALL musics that involve looping or inform looping. This is just a thread and we are NOT trying to define a mission statement for this community. That's very important to stress, I think. Your approach is fascinating and I'm sure we can all learn from what you've learned on your journey. If truth be known, it was the repetitive, parts oriented quality of West African and Indonesian musics that led me here in the first place. That's a whole lot of looping and not a single piece of technology, save the acoustic instruments that they play. I want to be able to talk about that here, too. I hope you stay and keep contributing. respectfully, Rick Walker On 11/7/11 12:38 PM, phillip wilson wrote: > Im sorry if this ends up being a double post...it seems that more > often then not I don't seem to recieve my own posts to group... > > anyway, live creation of music using midi recording devices played > live is the hub of my current setup. and this thread has really > re-ignited my interest within a group who didn't feel i was still part of. > > My work is contructed on a custom midi controller , Korg ESX, ER, and > EMU MP7 along with a host of other tweak gear...its all unplanned and > live in realtime, and i dont use a laptop / mac setup, its all hardware. > > my channel is here, > > http://www.youtube.com/phillwilson > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 23:19:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCBD018345D; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 23:19:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3FY3KoYFFuK2+9bsbM8Ay8U1q2usK+H1MMmvgJHmuis=; b=MKzRB5Cs8nxGTVA2EXKGiavfaACImAdn2x1gxHPBqdQeUMNJ4Sl84S6C1skr+H3Zy1 vYuMDUImFe9KZA0UU3EBmV0KnmYHalV3MGA3D4kS4FJMIhcqfyWD0b8x8pZZiEtf9TpK gJnkJBcRKqmT1owyM64txAPfdlqWKRkiQs/uE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4EB71E94.7010506@cruzio.com> References: <4EB71E94.7010506@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 00:19:29 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Thinking in 11: for the 11/11/11 11:11 project participants From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 23:19:30 +0000 (UTC) excellent lesson tip buddy! thanx! Luis On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 12:56 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > My friend, Lindsey Walker asked me for suggestions about playing > in 11/8 and I posted this back to her at Facebook. > > For all the 11/11/11 =A0 =A011:11 =A0 participants I throw this out as fo= od for > rhythmic thought > > ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((())))))))))))))))))))))))= ))))))))))))))))))))))))) > > "Well there are some cool approaches one can use." > > One is that you can subdivide 4-4-3 > > Ta is pronounced 'Tah' with an accent > ka and ki are both pronounced =A0 'kih' > ta is pronounced =A0 'tuh' > di is pronounced =A0 'dee' > mi is pronounced =A0'mee' > > remember that all sounds should have as short an envelope when you are > singing them as > possible so that you can eventually sing them at high speed. > > So this 4-4-3 =A0subdivision of 11/8 is sung: > > Takadimi Takadimi Takita > > or another cool approach is to treat the rhythm like a 12/8 Blues or Afri= can > styled rhythm just minus one note. > > The phrasing would be: > > 3 -3 -3 - 2 > > Takita Takita Takita Taki > > I've written these subdivision with a space in between them so you can se= e > the audible phrase > but there is no space between them rhythmically....they should represent = 11 > even notes. > > > > Here's a beautiful game for learning a rhythm thoroughly. > I do this in the shower every day with a different time signature. > > you each sing each exercise several times (in the first example) > > a (parenthesized syllable) is not said out loud > (just sing it silently in your mind) > > ps > > Takadimi Takadimi Takita > Takadimi Takadimi Taki(ta) > Takadimi Takadimi Ta(kita) > Takadimi Takadimi (Takita) > Takadimi Takadi(mi Takita > Takadimi Taka(dimi Takita) > Takadimi Ta(kadimi Takita) > Takadimi (Takadimi Takita) > Takadi(mi Takadimi Takita) > Taka(dimi Takadimi Takita) > Ta(kadimi Takadimi Takita) > > Now try the same exercise backwards > > Takadimi Takadimi Takita > (Ta)kadimi Takadimi Takita > (Taka)dimi Takadimi Takita > (Takadi)mi Takadimi Takita > (Takadimi) Takadimi Takita > (Takadimi Ta)kadimi Takita > (Takadimi Taka)dimi Takita > (Takadimi Takadi)mi Takita > (Takadimi Takadimi) Takita > (Takadimi Takadimi Ta)kita > (Takadimi Takadimi Taki)ta > > > You will now have sung this time signature starting on every possible not= e > and ending on every possible note. > Now start improvising and play syncopated rhythms that leave out some of = the > notes and you will begin > to move towards a cool melodic/rhythmic approach to playing in 11/8. > > Remember, =A0 you probably alread know how to play a zillion rock, r&B, s= oul > and funk rhythms in > 4/4 =A0 =A0 =A0well, that's just this game applied to Takadimi Takadimi > > Tack on that last phrase of 3 to anything you know and , voila, > You have a very cool new rhythm in 11/8 > > --=20 www.luis-angulo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 23:26:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DB0B18345F; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 23:26:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020204.4EB86912.0042,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=8REYuqoajsmvOCQrDW+1/TDKVSLpI8De9SQQk3E9NNY= c=1 sm=1 a=MLkov_rwsTwA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IDQZPWAOk3jkEbRLu4diLA==:17 a=ZxyVnoythlt8Ze8KLyQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=IDQZPWAOk3jkEbRLu4diLA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: References: ,<4EB7F9BE.3090203@cruzio.com> <4EB861DA.10601@cruzio.com> Subject: Is it Live or is it Memorex? Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:26:07 -0800 Message-ID: <6B91CF244BCB4E33A71BE865C4A88F7F@your0548c161e1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4EB861DA.10601@cruzio.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 Thread-Index: AcydoFtcUbPqbd3dTomstUylEIbKngABBwUg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 23:26:11 +0000 (UTC) My impression is that Matthias is more about live looping and Kim was more about loops in general, is that largely true? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 23:27:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F200183454; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 23:27:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EB86960.2010501@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 15:27:28 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: david kirkdorffer CC: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: 1.1.11 References: <1320681107.99699.YahooMailNeo@web161305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1320681107.99699.YahooMailNeo@web161305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 23:27:33 +0000 (UTC) Hi David, I think you probably missed my post to L.D. a couple of weeks back, so I'll mention it again: I encouraged everyone on this list on 11/11/11 at either 11 a.m. or 11 p.m. in whatever their time zone is, to begin recording an improvisation that is constrained to 11 minutes and 11 seconds. We'll put everything up on a BandCamp page (which I haven't put up yet, but Michael Peters might have already). It's the *11/11/11 at 11:11 for 11:11 Project* In the last couple of days, I also posted a posting for some interesting ways to think about playing in 11/8 a couple of days ago for anyone who wants to take that on. I hope you'll participate. Yours, Rick On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, david kirkdorffer wrote: > With 11.11.11 this Friday, I'll be recording something (I never know > what!). > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 23:36:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E18218345D; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 23:36:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=uG+yzU4gMxz2pY334J/H9Trf2Pb7yR7cRpdkRoAJEnE=; b=xqHOo1CIixjMVK7e1z9GP9nmwDSnPufUmNuIHZxhtyv/Itawjh0cGnAc+WRbrv1rjE HWM1QDJvlVukn+cBTCAKoi5DgzuT7elKQpNBg1ABBRqTj7haoJnKrF3McF08UDNja/Dv OPspTWi+ROl/kw9nDSCUAKaqclf9Ax/IsF1+8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 00:36:12 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Guitar wiring.. Is this dangerous??? From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 23:36:13 +0000 (UTC) guys compared to the previous GR-33 are these outs form the GR-55 noisier???? On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 9:37 PM, william middlemiss wrote: > Please dont go cheap and quick with ac current! replace 2 prong plugs asap! > especially with tube amps. Cheap and quick is never safe with electricity. > The last time I used a 2 prong plug on an amp, I nearly killed myself. I > unplugged the cable at the end of a session with a friend, and dropped the > cable to the floor like I had so many times before... > The cable hit a mic stand base, and created an arc that put a hole right > through the plug on the end of the cable! Clean through! A hole 1/4" in > diameter! > This means that I had the hot end of the plate potential (voltage) going > through the tip of the plug. I was barefoot, drinking an iced coffee > dripping with condensation, and touching metal equipment that was all turned > on. I honestly have no idea how I did not electrocute myself. > > Even if you try it, and feel a slight tingle right after plugging in > something; with time that unreleased energy can build up to stupidly high > levels. It just sits there waiting to find a way to ground to be > discharged. > That amp I wrote of above was a 5-8w Silvertone. A 50 watt Marshall has > voltages 4-5 times higher on the plates. > With Mark's power supply question, we were writing of 9v dc with 200-300mA. > With that amp, were talking 400-500 VOLTS AC internal voltage and in the > power section theres a matter of 10AMPS of current. Be careful. > There are many reasons why guitar players are the only people stupid enough > to keep using thermionic technology (I say lovingly.) Efficiency and safety > are the big two reasons why everybody else was in a rush to move on. -- www.luis-angulo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 23:37:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8F09183460; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 23:37:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EB86BA4.5030807@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 15:37:08 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: PALINDROMIC RHYTHMS: 11/11/11 at 11:11 for 11:11 Project Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 23:37:13 +0000 (UTC) Let's hear it for palindromes!!!!! Here's one in 11/8 for shits and giggles. *11/8 ||: X * X * X * X * X * X :||** 1 2 3 4 5 a * This one can be played as if it is 5 even pulses with a skipping last note. I call this a 'Broken 5 Pulse'...............you count, "1,2,3,4,5a" Another cool one: *11/8 ||: X * X X X * X X X * X :|| *ble te-ri-ple te-ri-ple dou- These you can sing using the syllables one dou-ble te-ri-ple, etc. When a dou-ble phrase occurs where the downbeat of the measure is on the 'ble' syllable I just say " uh-one " instead of 'dou-ble' Here's another *11/8 ||: X * X X * X * X X * X :||* one dou-ble one dou-ble uh Have fun!!! rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 23:39:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73D92183462; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 23:39:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 758194.55702.bm@omp1032.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1320709165; bh=u+9mlFF0kuii4yqsk5h6Y4KwFv9+idAjmBe6l8PqU50=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=O5D3dEwOU2vyYieTfMbN+pEFq7mGo03LobNqqkh0BeCDQ+zGEOn0VZ+xll4zfGWuEsAMpgIJBczL7rq/Pg6qfcuVAw0U3mGNviLY7Q2Exl/FW0EyAxgkTocE2NsRO75Ueu1Sj/g+QHTX5Jg5/wY20C6mAd0HJOPIfAJg1yYjxYM= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dBL7maPJRr93mDdXiXZbF2UGraRwl+HU+2yfNADWXt6OnSpBdZx0I5kT2+uWmoEDkC1WQKL0S3UQZ39iEhp2CclTMgW6G0wdJl0fRkgwiEzw+yp1G4YNCKnCJUpgjydCyoOdt22NaS7itQvapl0/qwL9+1eSpiPvf5+OL1/tQks=; X-YMail-OSG: kr5xmgcVM1n5vKoP_wNEFW8bl_HUAJkgLJQAkq5klCxQf.3 atB1jk7uGV58NdYNJEzjoQpLaPP4DpV22Mey.2cQERN0u6PDSw4uA.Kzx7Kc nqUUhIoeLe7VF7rBkwrvJ4EI8Ile5aleM.e69T9WQPXODa79MzcMGuxGn8qv 5PoDE5yjJz95Dj87eOfSzZesHRCceWvP4p7yNohNhAmFuSogO1tLxxaOi48y nravvj7zm6uq8lYy71JglscZLWzfAfrCVtVtlWj86Y6CQHy.dczn.Mepffed roEU7sscs5p2GLn4NCBtDzhszW90mjxoBjhWyoO6Z24Y_H4BHEvOz13DU_3C mRmFPalLC_v9JJR_ZQ_b2WwtSkRAnp5A9pS7QeX55wZ6f2XKJyuTJV2MnWGc NR5rarhpItBj_R1w4p_XQHzuRXnPrYkEBiriXwW29Vh5NuQeAf7e9YngyW5p n9wgj0oOD X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.325013 References: <1320681107.99699.YahooMailNeo@web161305.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4EB86960.2010501@cruzio.com> Message-ID: <1320709165.13185.YahooMailNeo@web161304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:39:25 -0800 (PST) From: david kirkdorffer Reply-To: david kirkdorffer Subject: Re: 1.1.11 To: Rick Walker Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <4EB86960.2010501@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1488538659-1676902660-1320709165=:13185" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 23:39:27 +0000 (UTC) ---1488538659-1676902660-1320709165=:13185 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick - =0A=A0=0ASure - I'll try to remember to send something along after t= he 11.11.11 session.=A0 We'll see how it turns out.=A0 =0AThe weight of exp= ectation can undermine a good creative process.=A0 =0A=A0=0AMost of my stuf= f is in a snappy 4/4 tempo, as I'm sure you recognize... ;-)=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A= =A0=0A=0A=0A>________________________________=0A>From: Rick Walker =0A>To: david kirkdorffer =0A>Cc: "Loop= ers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" =0A>S= ent: Monday, November 7, 2011 6:27 PM=0A>Subject: Re: 1.1.11=0A>=0A>Hi Davi= d,=0A>=0A>I think you probably missed my post to L.D. a couple of weeks bac= k, so I'll mention it again:=0A>=0A>I encouraged everyone on this list on 1= 1/11/11=A0 at either 11 a.m. or 11 p.m. in whatever their=0A>time zone is,= =A0 to begin recording an improvisation that is constrained to 11 minutes a= nd 11 seconds.=0A>We'll put everything up on a BandCamp page (which I haven= 't put up yet, but Michael Peters might have already).=0A>=0A>It's the *11/= 11/11 at 11:11 for 11:11 Project*=0A>=0A>In the last couple of days, I also= posted a posting for some interesting ways to think about playing in=0A>11= /8 a couple of days ago for anyone who wants to take that on.=0A>=0A>=0A>I = hope you'll participate.=0A>=0A>Yours,=A0 Rick=0A>=0A>=0A>On 7/22/64 11:59 = AM, david kirkdorffer wrote:=0A>> With 11.11.11 this Friday, I'll be record= ing something (I never know what!).=0A>> =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> ---1488538659-1676902660-1320709165=:13185 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rick -
 
Sure - I'll try to r= emember to send something along after the 11.11.11 session.  We'll see= how it turns out. 
The weight of expect= ation can undermine a good creative process. 
 
Most of my stuff is = in a snappy 4/4 tempo, as I'm sure you recognize... ;-)
 
 
 

From:= Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com>
To: david kirkdorffer <unstrungone@yahoo.com= >
Cc: "Loopers-Deligh= t@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 6= :27 PM
Subject: Re: 1.1.= 11

Hi David,

I think you probably missed my post to L.= D. a couple of weeks back, so I'll mention it again:

I encouraged ev= eryone on this list on 11/11/11  at either 11 a.m. or 11 p.m. in whatever their=
time zone is,  to begin recording an improvisation that is constra= ined to 11 minutes and 11 seconds.
We'll put everything up on a BandCamp= page (which I haven't put up yet, but Michael Peters might have already).<= BR>
It's the *11/11/11 at 11:11 for 11:11 Project*

In the last co= uple of days, I also posted a posting for some interesting ways to think ab= out playing in
11/8 a couple of days ago for anyone who wants to take th= at on.


I hope you'll participate.

Yours,  Rick

On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, david kirkdorffer wrote:
> With 11.11.11 t= his Friday, I'll be recording something (I never know what!).
>
<= BR>

---1488538659-1676902660-1320709165=:13185-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 23:47:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B996F183462; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 23:47:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 82223.90473.bm@omp1023.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1320709676; bh=OOFRDn7DVcmCRmtDmB/8uRumyBHnYOfFE5k2yD0AL1Y=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jQ/SOPSLsTNu733M3plu7Gp8/yPJDqO6odwIVDp69kYFBQi3SLeWfbpH6ME9eb7oIRXCh3AvDmtdsAyZkzsvNYuxgezHC3/XAh0Y3DI1wHvKsmS8gVpwU8quItfbyFSGb5LksZctidV97io9ALzE3qOl2VmGDAfRbZBIVq1eAaw= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DIZeYxoQZiz9Hl+2fWqbcnpEvoNMRPiAZM+YbD2xauRZlRxK99ctyryUAbqKXvNYoah3vWph2SE8910avBb7wLcs4ky/pmSCN6sfqlXG5Em0Zy+manBS01iiZ6WFjubLIZ8wrywGWDqzTe4eH6wTBfic9iHPm4j4a8SwiIg+jOg=; X-YMail-OSG: AhbiYmEVM1lsAWDJ_CbFOXtYWk6T0ZIpCOtVxEDag0yLb5C IyUHOWj8xhxowVmhRbPKhtwH7p7XL2.PSovTm1V91oPW4ny3iT3k0aHiB_jJ tLoRuk.frgb4Fvi8KyKxYw0Fc5roDDLQ2r5SeRYXuXJh6gf.C04pAxKCuS6b 6hNFgSUUvxXLI_6f5cN1Blq9kFicaPrG4g.oFRVahWSLcoX7eDb6MTAirs28 9KnmaIYVTOJ08ZRyw665lZWkDodW5SYt7QAkAsrqdTXx.bMDY3lbo0pPKccM SYMdSJ9EE0ryiTqG2ba8IWMOQBLI6UVCfQMDEJEnLVqcT2VbrwFqrHHMHvdf 5DtErsn4Wzg.Uzd33n208nKU3i_a.uyWWaLMJgTfqjtDB1oRxiM4oanG3rxC IZ7xwatUgPKkfLCL5Sy.nhBA0dK_kz92AohVm_EMnhWq8T30jsWmRVT5WFY7 G9rvxFoysqLA- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.325013 Message-ID: <1320709675.30701.YahooMailNeo@web161304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:47:55 -0800 (PST) From: david kirkdorffer Reply-To: david kirkdorffer Subject: live-looping.... To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1488538659-622872551-1320709675=:30701" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 23:47:56 +0000 (UTC) ---1488538659-622872551-1320709675=:30701 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My 2 cents....=0A=A0=0AI couldn't care less if a person is using pre-progra= mmed "tracks" as part=A0 of their live performance -- even if 90% of the so= nic material is a backing track, as long as the remaining 10% is compelling= .=0A=A0=0ALive performance is about being in the moment, but there is more = than one way to be in the moment sonically, than playing "sounds" live.=0A= =A0=0AI'd rather hear someone interesting with backing tracks than someone = uninteresting playing everything live.=0A=A0=0AOn a list like this, it's na= tural to discuss our various processes to create music.=A0 We can each lear= n and gain perspecting on what we are doing, and how we might infuse our pr= ocess with some new twists.=A0 But as a listener, the process is less impor= tant to me than the result - the music.=A0 =0A=A0=0AYeah baby! ---1488538659-622872551-1320709675=:30701 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My 2 = cents....
 
I couldn't care less if a person is using pre-pr= ogrammed "tracks" as part  of their live performance -- even if 90% of= the sonic material is a backing track, as long as the remaining 10% is com= pelling.
 
Live performance is about being in the moment, b= ut there is more than one way to be in the moment sonically, than playing "= sounds" live.
 
I'd rather hear someone interesting with backing= tracks than someone uninteresting playing everything live.
 
On a list like this, it's natural to discuss our= various processes to create music.  We can each learn and gain perspe= cting on what we are doing, and how we might infuse our process with some n= ew twists.  But as a listener, = the process is less important to me than the result - the music. 
 
Yeah baby!
 
 
= ---1488538659-622872551-1320709675=:30701-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 23:53:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BD55183478; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 23:53:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=shClR/2ZOI50Ud6gMHuP6DmUgiKJ6bkPv3ugTD3Y180=; b=Yjz7Kf7dOQG3/bvMB9T5Y4KQl/TfmGvu56TqS9q2D+/efnSCMd3G9/tG5Kx0Q/2n5C U3yGtqbDErc864gXIaFd/YfrDUMjMXVfyTwnLlOSzCuSHafB/kzZXx936RorCClCuska 6+vGCpE4BolpF9UqciDh+IVULxgSoFhHvzWos= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:53:15 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Messaien From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93409811e44f504b12dc223 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 23:53:16 +0000 (UTC) --14dae93409811e44f504b12dc223 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Not looping related at all, but I'm sure there's alot of you guys who have never heard Oliver Messaien or his "Quartet for the end of Time." I'm just sharing a well written piece of music. Part 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WICLxcveoIg Part 6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwOOzxEelqk Cheers, Billy --14dae93409811e44f504b12dc223 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Not looping related at all, but I'm sure there'= s alot of you guys who have never heard Oliver Messaien or his "Quarte= t for the end of Time." I'm just sharing a well written piece of m= usic.=A0


Part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DWICLxcveoIg

Part 6



Cheers,
Billy --14dae93409811e44f504b12dc223-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 23:54:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 279D718348E; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 23:54:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 719306.96624.bm@omp1049.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1320710096; bh=hVdeW4nqNEJQN33oX6KhQ7/hR8+Ng2NJvrWar82/lq4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jyq8hEgSUzrkRowI9Bh3ZxYUmZU73Y35aVKLZOuBzWWG2/lxcjF9D2Dp+Gkg0181kEYDq/rQOgt+qxsTwLxerHHMFS7AOdD0KxfvnfyZjzrGvDc452GeCB0FxcMyaNHMhrEkp9f74YCqnD2N+KTIOiJ96sITu53mDv8R9HVEj/U= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fx+Z5jZh1CIj2y/EzMlLkpAR5wc/BXCQe90iexbuVtax8JDWBFASn+IDdeT/2DCHR0js+1ISHGW9Sx1SnKESlv0nJ3qjxqQP7skuk9Mu2aeaf5OSWI5Pz5rAEMXHVz9OAgZ17ERzEA/Yo1m01Rz2Uot9I5B0jPNX6z4pdujqXgI=; X-YMail-OSG: eEzvTHQVM1kAp3.7fgplGE7h1fDS.94ibN9QMvTHFL2O9Qp plvQQ2WxMnSAvBomMr24ejeuvewAFBZs9iaFzxivlZ58_V8aOEiu8eVKq.X8 CQfL8apHqrJucuD52ICjIZvR0v05WYyY6Q4ipCEIcQHze5TOb2.ZnJWBHze5 kXwrbPcm1d1W4HwgyVjLdWkINQsPEcmxF1NOTluPZLv7pBVgZRyh4oEJ5yQl ekm3ru51Zg1_Q_lBh9xOL7saJX_DeM0Vb8LTd1Ie0hjgqynjHna4t_rNDNZh fcvSz4Y1hLK_SudJRNx5uvCHKatwTv_1V9N.TdUJZKfVCxDQZyaVolIGwYwN bDeZMd.AzgajEhj4CbC0odzm1.PASQcwxhLUjtg9fNclwhYJIXXVQXQbeA8A jbI4RF9TM0eRof42LszuaahAHGlUvBrGVu0bG.q1mPFXu9PkGrcDiPN470kQ w4ZFe6XxrWRcGSfNdd0I3qljF.q6PEVKz9sqNKBpbP2VQhfZ.GAGGOiBY4w_ aCUYkp_KL0gtyohSkovCIYIrenM0wiqrSXM9gJcCiOfYJF9tu8gVATlR8JY2 JS8RX8INu6P9nSIV.ZO8aizkV6QXQnUZTLHU91Vw6rY4Yo2fC45Rwyzh2uHj 9fe.Ht53ALxpoKEBDg8.4thNgqFO5pPqM9gq92zEU7CcahH91DhbDhlalqxF mvbnqB4Rj_VgPdDv_Ztm4t5JC1Ae_jXF1ACLimKdumQHojBd0SCWX.EtGzN. 5i4I5o0zUu1CKoxD43Gb1XzlgXm9gfGmhv.rPIDXTcr9gdwSmNklnFLPh82x MwdO3UwXe7TIVxEUWRhjfDC4ODKfsWvHhfNTRXybRqMhxVQO52_I4AxeoB5b qgz7YW0LIwT0hfhDk7VQkQPvax0mBu0ZMMpe69Bk9hkFE9UPAog9klm7.yXV MfI35TGvj X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.325013 References: <20111107231931.782F6183461@arsenic.violacea.com> Message-ID: <1320710096.10005.YahooMailNeo@web161302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:54:56 -0800 (PST) From: david kirkdorffer Reply-To: david kirkdorffer Subject: Zoe Keating To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <20111107231931.782F6183461@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="2145414650-727971080-1320710096=:10005" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 23:54:57 +0000 (UTC) --2145414650-727971080-1320710096=:10005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FYI - I saw this and though others here might also be interested.=0A=C2=A0= =0AZoe Keating used to pop in and participate on the LD list and is feature= d on LD CD III - http://www.cavestudio.com/electr-ohm/en/LDCD3/=C2=A0=0A=C2= =A0=0AUniversal Music Keeps Trying To Claim Zoe Keating=E2=80=99s Royalty C= hecks, Despite Having Nothing To Do With Her=0A=0Ahttp://www.techdirt.com/a= rticles/20111019/03214016410/universal-music-keeps-trying-to-claim-zoe-keat= ings-royalty-checks-despite-having-nothing-to-do-with-her.shtml?utm_source= =3Dfeedburner&utm_medium=3Dfeed&utm_campaign=3DFeed%3A+mediaredef+%28jason+= hirschhorn%27s+Media+ReDEFined%29 --2145414650-727971080-1320710096=:10005 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--2145414650-727971080-1320710096=:10005-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 23:55:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75961183499; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 23:54:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=IbiRg6UZCiNZHHqWsxpoDA70xfZbi447y27cb6I+c3w=; b=rCHk225I4xumFSM/cQqy9x7JAs6DyqEJKi8uwzVoypRpqf2qZuvawcT3U3MH/ZzkQe iVKwFnW1sXF0LdGeYDaf+VINxIt84pFwzCYr73OvIoGjrMnx3QkF1b4/QayiLEEkFESv zg6qw9UjceihbjtrY8D3h9Bfs5zRwet+ylsbE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:54:58 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Messaien From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93407854b7e0304b12dc835 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 23:54:59 +0000 (UTC) --14dae93407854b7e0304b12dc835 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 And yes, I believe its sequenced. (sounds it to me, at least) --14dae93407854b7e0304b12dc835 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 And yes, I believe its sequenced. (sounds it to me, at least)

--14dae93407854b7e0304b12dc835-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 23:55:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5314118348E; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 23:55:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=A0LVPgw3iENzPjhTML2jp68frOgtCccuR5TG4ngVMFE=; b=O/tUyIUdE52Iy+k5MYP2GPWGWbeMrCnjOyM0tJW6Vc/MUYgoPwocfpRzqVJ85t7+at z0vkXS8WMbA7A3tbgSCvhZ8jTyTC0PjFiNCo0gTEbQZRDeOpVv3JQjmRzLNkfmQElk8h RgOb18bd7dzEW8axbZNoA7BK+spTQ6NhSx8Os= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 16:55:47 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Messaien From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 23:55:48 +0000 (UTC) You forgot his organ work, "Angels on the Trumpet" that my teacher like to refer to as "Angels on the Strumpet." And then there's the issue of his scales ... but we can leave that for another day. Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:53 PM, william middlemiss wrote: > > Not looping related at all, but I'm sure there's alot of you guys who have > never heard Oliver Messaien or his "Quartet for the end of Time." I'm just > sharing a well written piece of music. > > Part 5 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WICLxcveoIg > Part 6 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwOOzxEelqk > > > Cheers, > Billy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 23:58:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A34D1834AC; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 23:58:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Ml5DA/o4Em8ZgjNOQ/6S5Kv/i8YrFASTvSez4UTShOU=; b=SUV30aI7xE+yV4VEP/EdbNjPTQeb7w7Yl9wDTM994xgthQ3El6pzHFtx5fTYZSzqP2 lho1Iz+CHq0h7OuKHkz+L0GxzLQblfjYRH/8NDrKsrk8P3Ik0DCF0wyllE6lvNz/TT2s Uthe4cRaa3maHh/t1LEfZhpd7cJhcXCmes/oE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 23:58:16 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Messaien From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 23:58:17 +0000 (UTC) Let's hear it, Dennis! :P On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 11:55 PM, Dennis Moser wrote: > You forgot his organ work, "Angels on the Trumpet" that my teacher > like to refer to as "Angels on the Strumpet." And then there's the > issue of his scales ... but we can leave that for another day. > > Best, > > Dennis > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > > On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:53 PM, william middlemiss > wrote: >> >> Not looping related at all, but I'm sure there's alot of you guys who have >> never heard Oliver Messaien or his "Quartet for the end of Time." I'm just >> sharing a well written piece of music. >> >> Part 5 >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WICLxcveoIg >> Part 6 >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwOOzxEelqk >> >> >> Cheers, >> Billy > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 23:58:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5C661834B5; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 23:58:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=qsGZ1nOoRUvOwnoJFdRkiSK2savjC6A6J9Ttqu/f7SQ=; b=m2k4pRrLT5Ox95Fig/RW45yRWfNPSvnuSHIEkstKnGR4jcjxJPywzDEDCWIo6M63mt vbBMxXBWXvOW+cPogZlTvsWhCS3b8AVLI57gXvHWGElAFFvSKkYM1Oe7HcuvPiA2ytpY Q4jO8zGryVTbJHQ27veO0LDuKsnij9VqNKOsg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:58:57 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Messaien From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340b0f8bea6c04b12dd6a3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 23:58:58 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340b0f8bea6c04b12dd6a3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Oh, the inventiveness in his scales is why I first got into it! Part serialism, part something else. (btw, The pieces I posted were inaccurate....c'est la vie!) Angels on the Strumpet. eh. Close enough for jazz. On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Dennis Moser wrote: > You forgot his organ work, "Angels on the Trumpet" that my teacher > like to refer to as "Angels on the Strumpet." And then there's the > issue of his scales ... but we can leave that for another day. > > Best, > > Dennis > > http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > > On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:53 PM, william middlemiss > wrote: > > > > Not looping related at all, but I'm sure there's alot of you guys who > have > > never heard Oliver Messaien or his "Quartet for the end of Time." I'm > just > > sharing a well written piece of music. > > > > Part 5 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WICLxcveoIg > > Part 6 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwOOzxEelqk > > > > > > Cheers, > > Billy > > --14dae9340b0f8bea6c04b12dd6a3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh, the inventiveness in his scales is why I first got into it! Part serial= ism, part something else. (btw, The pieces I posted were inaccurate....c= 9;est la vie!)

Angels on the Strumpet. eh. Close enough = for jazz.=A0

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Dennis Moser= <sinsofmac= haut@gmail.com> wrote:
You forgot his organ work, "Angels on the Trumpet" that my teache= r
like to refer to as "Angels on the Strumpet." And then there'= s the
issue of his scales ... but we can leave that for another day.

Best,

Dennis

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--14dae9340b0f8bea6c04b12dd6a3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 00:02:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57E1D1834C0; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 00:02:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=vzzPmnINqnnOscScjcnHsPl0YCatrbaFT8VzBSUpGgo=; b=nu6w3NT+eMfJzssZ+sl9OAOc8VyrCQubCtZaCEyd8O4CpWaf+4u1e5+Uq386zUqRHW OlVZrOX4U+A/ProthZQjPVGIYGU4d0KEnYtUyKjaK7nFuS84gFbwzZHxDV9e2xDOuZxj WJN6YE+xSJYMQLll+FzeXlqHBJdwxqSl1+Lsk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 19:02:46 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Messaien From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93409812ba7e504b12de40b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 00:02:47 +0000 (UTC) --14dae93409812ba7e504b12de40b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Here's a very effective reading of part V http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0b03WHkakY --14dae93409812ba7e504b12de40b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Here's a very effective reading of part V

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0b03WHkakY
--14dae93409812ba7e504b12de40b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 00:53:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D03FC18348A; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 00:53:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=3HTMSTrHBvcArLq0TwOfA+sM9n1nWetXcSQZU8lAs0g=; b=sQSWL39y0qoTHtDLNPFCEpATJygqBBbz2QefqJDKKjAk1mqVU04bI2GadEC0C3gEBT x1LU2ucIlw59GaF3PWss/0ObfWCODw4QW+R+KmilrxvP7x1JRtq6tE3+rWSIm74xBcX0 zwEhoVWrg49Cw1Zs41XH3MC9pWb1GZDJhuxYE= References: From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8L1) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 01:53:22 +0100 Message-ID: <-40914359377111762@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: Guitar wiring.. Is this dangerous??? To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 00:53:29 +0000 (UTC) dont know louie, i have a 30 not a 33, My 30 was very noisy, but now Im suspecting My own mods/fixes... or a broken hex cable... i dont notice the 55 being noisy except on big amp distortion patches... But then again Im not a so terribly hi fi guy.. m Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 8 Nov 2011, at 00:36, Louie Angulo wrote: > guys compared to the previous GR-33 are these outs form the GR-55 noisier???? > > On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 9:37 PM, william middlemiss > wrote: >> Please dont go cheap and quick with ac current! replace 2 prong plugs asap! >> especially with tube amps. Cheap and quick is never safe with electricity. >> The last time I used a 2 prong plug on an amp, I nearly killed myself. I >> unplugged the cable at the end of a session with a friend, and dropped the >> cable to the floor like I had so many times before... >> The cable hit a mic stand base, and created an arc that put a hole right >> through the plug on the end of the cable! Clean through! A hole 1/4" in >> diameter! >> This means that I had the hot end of the plate potential (voltage) going >> through the tip of the plug. I was barefoot, drinking an iced coffee >> dripping with condensation, and touching metal equipment that was all turned >> on. I honestly have no idea how I did not electrocute myself. >> >> Even if you try it, and feel a slight tingle right after plugging in >> something; with time that unreleased energy can build up to stupidly high >> levels. It just sits there waiting to find a way to ground to be >> discharged. >> That amp I wrote of above was a 5-8w Silvertone. A 50 watt Marshall has >> voltages 4-5 times higher on the plates. >> With Mark's power supply question, we were writing of 9v dc with 200-300mA. >> With that amp, were talking 400-500 VOLTS AC internal voltage and in the >> power section theres a matter of 10AMPS of current. Be careful. >> There are many reasons why guitar players are the only people stupid enough >> to keep using thermionic technology (I say lovingly.) Efficiency and safety >> are the big two reasons why everybody else was in a rush to move on. > > > > -- > www.luis-angulo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 00:58:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30308183497; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 00:58:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 630 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 00:58:50 UTC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Palindrom From: jayrope LD In-Reply-To: <20111108000248.5D69A1834B5@arsenic.violacea.com> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 01:58:47 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <15DE0F65-C839-4467-8554-4F5637D3FD92@kliklak.net> References: <20111108000248.5D69A1834B5@arsenic.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net Resent-Message-ID: <-3GwJD.A.I_G.K7HuOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 00:58:51 +0000 (UTC) Andre Thomkins added to this "Dogma i am god" "Stragey get arts" "Oh! cet =E9cho" *** - - -=20 jayrope http://www.kliklak.net On Nov 8, 2011, at 1:02 AM, = Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: Rick Walker > Date: November 8, 2011 12:37:08 AM GMT+01:00 > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > Subject: PALINDROMIC RHYTHMS: 11/11/11 at 11:11 for 11:11 Project >=20 >=20 > Let's hear it for palindromes!!!!! >=20 > Here's one in 11/8 for shits and giggles. >=20 > *11/8 ||: X * X * X * X * X * X :||** > 1 2 3 4 5 a * >=20 > This one can be played as if it is 5 even pulses with a skipping last = note. >=20 > I call this a 'Broken 5 Pulse'...............you count, "1,2,3,4,5a" >=20 >=20 > Another cool one: >=20 > *11/8 ||: X * X X X * X X X * X :|| >=20 > *ble te-ri-ple te-ri-ple dou- >=20 > These you can sing using the syllables >=20 > one dou-ble te-ri-ple, etc. >=20 > When a dou-ble phrase occurs where the downbeat of the measure is on = the 'ble' syllable > I just say " uh-one " instead of 'dou-ble' >=20 > Here's another >=20 > *11/8 ||: X * X X * X * X X * X :||* > one dou-ble one dou-ble uh >=20 >=20 > Have fun!!! >=20 > rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 01:05:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2386418349F; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 01:05:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Messia=EBn=2C_was_Re=3A_Messaien?= From: jayrope LD In-Reply-To: <20111108000248.5D69A1834B5@arsenic.violacea.com> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 01:48:06 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <634BFA28-6867-4B37-8F55-7E8EB2D833D2@kliklak.net> References: <20111108000248.5D69A1834B5@arsenic.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 01:05:46 +0000 (UTC) Spells Messia=EBn, even f that dosn't fit on an Englsih keyboard. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivier_Messiaen for starters. - - -=20 jayrope http://www.kliklak.net On Nov 8, 2011, at 1:02 AM, = Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: william middlemiss > Date: November 8, 2011 12:53:15 AM GMT+01:00 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Messaien >=20 >=20 >=20 > Not looping related at all, but I'm sure there's alot of you guys who = have never heard Oliver Messaien or his "Quartet for the end of Time." = I'm just sharing a well written piece of music.=20 >=20 >=20 > Part 5 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DWICLxcveoIg >=20 > Part 6 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DFwOOzxEelqk >=20 >=20 >=20 > Cheers, > Billy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 01:10:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FF461834B0; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 01:10:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=OacmaydyywB5WrpZJn0Ph9BlykOViYQhEBrJIdqhVUA=; b=jAwe8xPrI8CKm6iCuHh46DTk+tUx3D3wtbpHzs4KdOdjNXuUl5TiHf3pPfALB45D8P xIj1IBLuigahPJSOld/ldu9y9qZ4kaKaHyCcXz8ErWoz/HysTm4+23P1BeR4OgYkX1gF s9T2KBDp8xrAGOln0KFMLo1kX9VX92GrIYe9I= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <634BFA28-6867-4B37-8F55-7E8EB2D833D2@kliklak.net> References: <20111108000248.5D69A1834B5@arsenic.violacea.com> <634BFA28-6867-4B37-8F55-7E8EB2D833D2@kliklak.net> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 20:10:27 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Messia=EBn=2C_was_Re=3A_Messaien?= From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f23545d349c3404b12ed6b8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 01:10:28 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f23545d349c3404b12ed6b8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Spells Messia=EBn, even f that dosn't fit on an Englsih keyboard." ha. yes. and no, not on an EnglSIh keyboard without alot of extra keystrokes. I've noticed myself juggling quite a few letters in quite a few words. Yourself too, I see? As a composer, I am a perpetual work in progress, composing myself. Onwards and upwards, Billy --e89a8f23545d349c3404b12ed6b8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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ha. yes. and no, not on an EnglSIh keyboard w= ithout alot of extra keystrokes. I've noticed myself juggling quite a f= ew letters in quite a few words. Yourself too, I see?

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Billy=A0


--e89a8f23545d349c3404b12ed6b8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 01:11:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C19291834B9; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 01:11:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NlnugOzKpR42QS/1lQ1X6D3sz9ej6qwlDPyMCd27pNE=; b=Egql1nBZBlZpGSpUmXhiY3E6pfXu7Rf0XI+jbxiYElLqS9ymmTxiuhAQkbUIPjx2+V kJ4dSG5caZvj+ESUfMa6v11TLgV0vz8fcF6UjbNrL5NNhKaP9pzDJx2T2fHw/hDoKPg8 29Djugat/LuzFWWMs2xdnncJ8g0JPGMNJX3Pk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <634BFA28-6867-4B37-8F55-7E8EB2D833D2@kliklak.net> References: <20111108000248.5D69A1834B5@arsenic.violacea.com> <634BFA28-6867-4B37-8F55-7E8EB2D833D2@kliklak.net> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 17:11:29 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Messia=EBn=2C_was_Re=3A_Messaien?= From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 01:11:31 +0000 (UTC) I haven't thought about Messiaen for years, but he's an all time favorite. I liked "Et exspecto resurrectionem mortuorum ("And I look forward to the resurrection of the dead")" "Oiseaux exotiques""Chronochromie" and "M=E9ditations sur le myst=E8re de la Sainte Trinit=E9" On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:48 PM, jayrope LD wrote: > > Spells Messia=EBn, even f that dosn't fit on an Englsih keyboard. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivier_Messiaen for starters. > - - - > jayrope > http://www.kliklak.net > > On Nov 8, 2011, at 1:02 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com= wrote: > > > From: william middlemiss > > Date: November 8, 2011 12:53:15 AM GMT+01:00 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Messaien > > > > > > > > Not looping related at all, but I'm sure there's alot of you guys who h= ave never heard Oliver Messaien or his "Quartet for the end of Time." I'm j= ust sharing a well written piece of music. > > > > > > Part 5 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DWICLxcveoIg > > > > Part 6 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DFwOOzxEelqk > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > Billy > -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com myspace [dot] com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 02:44:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B4DA183479; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 02:44:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 158722.56917.bm@omp1046.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1320720249; bh=6fGN4+UYE1ZwBJnxSowtak9nor8IN1qby/uSxKItYhk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=3XAB1iX063mVgLC3Hxtvh/9K5+3pIV7UrxQgRCDoRMuPJoixcZ2Ah16LLU77eQS5aQi1R/PeSGtVkuKIXWV9PSLZtFoUbCS+M61+MIWS/aYJxkBEzyQcAm8eNbWPUjQKcxA9hup/EwjZh9/gdshOHO2iAojcJf1zk3YOkQ3/olo= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=O0s19+Qhy6UJ5mnZyi14EeNfgydUdFYr32kIbKcPp+YdTUH3q6gue1+SwnHnUqlEbmw3BiksFwinBKCw0d9tg40j9EEeGKsuQJ4CSKB2YMP32YhjQlynkhzuHL0nVHT2v6SA6E1nT7kBTWRNN0PyOfrlKjjaJVUMF3pmIZoYNKc=; X-YMail-OSG: KmRvBhwVM1lcnOVHhoeTanvxUY29nIhURp4FxTAeWDSxdah z0.YuA5bXELbN6hxVbVOSramakIdLLFStUKG1J7E2PgRiC7P36dWQFPU1fJ_ 4v7SYy__0iQLb30w2r03QjAPDv0RLm65vrwtjyPThTS56F4OnF9IaEAbiIhZ d3IiLhX3lsHY6BpE5oBeYktljMH0zCwFMbIrdXG4_aIll0llzZFWuOSsgVhQ q5wcwF2WJhNmk9asqVJwuSwD_l6.Ca1isYPKxPlOBpjp2qcgCWg5pcGTVB7Q cg63AuBkeBU7c83PZfYjOi_wlToDpakmVRzPkSjhNvKR5Za4Ca25UrGCv0LH XHhU.vpeCc5rprzF0pbOCKlPxzfFdwxR5M8TtNDjxC34jcH485m980uHeB5t PNPxPiYTxLRHEIiqLiYqhQMP7ecWZ5JFmvkAJ19jhFg_5Jm5JTpCOKHaxO26 8GSTzENoXDT.2hWMoy5Qt0Kw- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.114.317681 References: Message-ID: <1320720249.56713.YahooMailNeo@web65801.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:44:09 -0800 (PST) From: jason finnern Reply-To: jason finnern Subject: Unsubscribe To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1741779726-619212934-1320720249=:56713" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 02:44:11 +0000 (UTC) --1741779726-619212934-1320720249=:56713 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Unsubscribe From: sylvester malik To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com " Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 5:30 PM Subject: Unsubscribe Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network --1741779726-619212934-1320720249=:56713 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
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--1741779726-619212934-1320720249=:56713-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 02:58:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31418183475; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 02:58:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=wi2J7rgTjtt66PGN7+JMAiX4/IqmFavmjTO+nE+rCy4= c=1 sm=0 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=A2bGdCcTAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=qPzfMoOpAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=oTtuw1C_AAAA:8 a=Y__4ZdwLC8Yl9wi6Td0A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=yKXuFZSAuOYA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=pQ2a0EFxmsAA:10 a=PCIXu9QagVMsmNBKxBkQ4Q==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Re: Palindrom References: <20111108000248.5D69A1834B5@arsenic.violacea.com> <15DE0F65-C839-4467-8554-4F5637D3FD92@kliklak.net> From: chaz worm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A334) In-Reply-To: <15DE0F65-C839-4467-8554-4F5637D3FD92@kliklak.net> Message-Id: <0D005F3B-25A1-43AC-9C32-C93EA845071D@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 21:58:34 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 02:58:37 +0000 (UTC) Let me tell. (Almost) Egad a fast tuba butts a fad age I man am regal a German am I=20 Never odd or even If I had a HiFi Do nine men interpret? Nine men I nod.=20 Go hang a salami I'm a lasagna hog Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo Earth, Worm, &, Fire and Electric Light Opry http://chazworm.com http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm On Nov 7, 2011, at 7:58 PM, jayrope LD wrote: > Andre Thomkins added to this > "Dogma i am god" > "Stragey get arts" > "Oh! cet =C3=A9cho" > *** > - - -=20 > jayrope > http://www.kliklak.net >=20 > On Nov 8, 2011, at 1:02 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com w= rote: >=20 >> From: Rick Walker >> Date: November 8, 2011 12:37:08 AM GMT+01:00 >> To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" >> Subject: PALINDROMIC RHYTHMS: 11/11/11 at 11:11 for 11:11 Project >>=20 >>=20 >> Let's hear it for palindromes!!!!! >>=20 >> Here's one in 11/8 for shits and giggles. >>=20 >> *11/8 ||: X * X * X * X * X * X :||** >> 1 2 3 4 5 a * >>=20 >> This one can be played as if it is 5 even pulses with a skipping last not= e. >>=20 >> I call this a 'Broken 5 Pulse'...............you count, "1,2,3,4,5a" >>=20 >>=20 >> Another cool one: >>=20 >> *11/8 ||: X * X X X * X X X * X :|| >>=20 >> *ble te-ri-ple te-ri-ple dou- >>=20 >> These you can sing using the syllables >>=20 >> one dou-ble te-ri-ple, etc. >>=20 >> When a dou-ble phrase occurs where the downbeat of the measure is on the '= ble' syllable >> I just say " uh-one " instead of 'dou-ble' >>=20 >> Here's another >>=20 >> *11/8 ||: X * X X * X * X X * X :||* >> one dou-ble one dou-ble uh >>=20 >>=20 >> Have fun!!! >>=20 >> rick >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 05:44:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DBAF18345E; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 05:44:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EB8C1AB.4010509@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 21:44:11 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Clayton Gary Lehmann CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Is it Live or is it Memorex? References: <6B91CF244BCB4E33A71BE865C4A88F7F@your0548c161e1> In-Reply-To: <6B91CF244BCB4E33A71BE865C4A88F7F@your0548c161e1> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060305060205050403010504" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 05:44:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060305060205050403010504 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: > My impression is that Matthias is more about live looping and Kim was more > about loops in general, is that largely true? I think it is safe to say that Kim was a dedicated anarchist. I think communal organization and movements that come from such ventures made him very uncomfortable. He was always very iconoclastic in his approach. I respected him because he really seemed to walk his talk, politically speaking. I won't tell you that it hurt when he was verbally critical of our early attempts at creating looping festivals and spreading them to other countries, but as time went on, I just took him less personally. He was also very, very generous to me as a human being in many other ways. It's okay to agree to disagree. So, to answer your question the best way I can (and only from my personal perspective) I saw his resistance to the creation of a live looping movement through the creation of live looping festivals as more of a political thing as opposed to specifically a loops versus live looping kind of dialectic. Does this ring true with those of you who knew him well? Whatever the truth is. I feel deeply indebted to Kim for the creation of this community whether we all agree on things or not and I'm still deeply sad that his life was cut so terribly short. Rick --------------060305060205050403010504 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: 
My impression is that Matthias is more about live looping and Kim was more
about loops in general, is that largely true?
I think it is safe to say that Kim was a dedicated anarchist.   I think communal organization and
movements that come from such ventures made him very uncomfortable.   He was always
very iconoclastic in his approach.   I respected him because he really seemed to walk his talk, politically
speaking.   I won't tell you that it hurt when he was verbally critical of our early attempts at creating
looping festivals and spreading them to other countries, but as time went on, I just took him less
personally.   He was also very, very generous to me as a human being in many other ways.

It's okay to agree to disagree.

So, to answer your question the best way I can (and only from my personal perspective)
I saw his resistance to the creation of a live looping movement through the creation of
live looping festivals as more of a political thing as opposed to specifically a
loops versus live looping kind of dialectic.

Does this ring true with those of you who knew him well?

Whatever the truth is.   I feel deeply indebted to Kim for the creation of this community
whether we all agree on things or not and I'm still deeply sad that his life was cut so
terribly short.

Rick
 --------------060305060205050403010504-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 06:31:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00B6918345C; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 06:31:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ItSgKUvEgpuArvFeGcEX9ho8h0+4pTt73K5WgrMP114= c=1 sm=0 a=YUnUJ6nDG_AA:10 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=A2bGdCcTAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=oTtuw1C_AAAA:8 a=SlFYExncqQvvNTjoUvgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=pQ2a0EFxmsAA:10 a=aDbT4DgHBDccVu80ftkA:9 a=9UxrB5AXXxcMa3FfZaMA:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=PCIXu9QagVMsmNBKxBkQ4Q==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Re: Is it Live or is it Memorex? References: <6B91CF244BCB4E33A71BE865C4A88F7F@your0548c161e1> <4EB8C1AB.4010509@cruzio.com> From: chaz worm Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-FDE02222-EB37-4D97-941A-2EB15B925EA4 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A334) In-Reply-To: <4EB8C1AB.4010509@cruzio.com> Message-Id: <6F5084B5-277A-4257-AE18-A33BCE24F7C6@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 01:31:14 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 06:31:18 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-FDE02222-EB37-4D97-941A-2EB15B925EA4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I beseech you to excuse my ignorance but who are these two fellows. Primaril= y Kim. . I'm very new to all this.=20 Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo Earth, Worm, &, Fire and Electric Light Opry http://chazworm.com http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm On Nov 8, 2011, at 12:44 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: >>=20 >> My impression is that Matthias is more about live looping and Kim was mor= e >> about loops in general, is that largely true? > I think it is safe to say that Kim was a dedicated anarchist. I think co= mmunal organization and=20 > movements that come from such ventures made him very uncomfortable. He w= as always=20 > very iconoclastic in his approach. I respected him because he really see= med to walk his talk, politically=20 > speaking. I won't tell you that it hurt when he was verbally critical of= our early attempts at creating=20 > looping festivals and spreading them to other countries, but as time went o= n, I just took him less=20 > personally. He was also very, very generous to me as a human being in ma= ny other ways. >=20 > It's okay to agree to disagree. >=20 > So, to answer your question the best way I can (and only from my personal p= erspective)=20 > I saw his resistance to the creation of a live looping movement through th= e creation of=20 > live looping festivals as more of a political thing as opposed to specific= ally a=20 > loops versus live looping kind of dialectic. >=20 > Does this ring true with those of you who knew him well? >=20 > Whatever the truth is. I feel deeply indebted to Kim for the creation of= this community=20 > whether we all agree on things or not and I'm still deeply sad that his li= fe was cut so=20 > terribly short. >=20 > Rick --Apple-Mail-FDE02222-EB37-4D97-941A-2EB15B925EA4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

I beseech you to excuse my ignorance but who are these two fellows. Primarily Kim. . I'm very new to all this. 
Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo
Earth, Worm, &, Fire and
Electric Light Opry

On Nov 8, 2011, at 12:44 AM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Clayton Gary Lehmann wrote: 
My impression is that Matthias is more about live looping and Kim was more
about loops in general, is that largely true?
I think it is safe to say that Kim was a dedicated anarchist.   I think communal organization and
movements that come from such ventures made him very uncomfortable.   He was always
very iconoclastic in his approach.   I respected him because he really seemed to walk his talk, politically
speaking.   I won't tell you that it hurt when he was verbally critical of our early attempts at creating
looping festivals and spreading them to other countries, but as time went on, I just took him less
personally.   He was also very, very generous to me as a human being in many other ways.

It's okay to agree to disagree.

So, to answer your question the best way I can (and only from my personal perspective)
I saw his resistance to the creation of a live looping movement through the creation of
live looping festivals as more of a political thing as opposed to specifically a
loops versus live looping kind of dialectic.

Does this ring true with those of you who knew him well?

Whatever the truth is.   I feel deeply indebted to Kim for the creation of this community
whether we all agree on things or not and I'm still deeply sad that his life was cut so
terribly short.

Rick
--Apple-Mail-FDE02222-EB37-4D97-941A-2EB15B925EA4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 06:31:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EB2818345F; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 06:31:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020204.4EB8CCC7.0096,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=8REYuqoajsmvOCQrDW+1/TDKVSLpI8De9SQQk3E9NNY= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=IDQZPWAOk3jkEbRLu4diLA==:17 a=NBtYtabW4PUjFUTBQ1UA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=QzV4Bk3nLeZwPBP0VOIA:9 a=4ZmobzX4jw2HDyYcf5UA:7 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=IDQZPWAOk3jkEbRLu4diLA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: References: <6B91CF244BCB4E33A71BE865C4A88F7F@your0548c161e1> <4EB8C1AB.4010509@cruzio.com> Subject: Our Founder Kim Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 22:31:32 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_028D_01CC9D9D.00323B20" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4EB8C1AB.4010509@cruzio.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 Thread-Index: Acyd2XoqjgmYMpKxSweaywKE5Q8mCwABkTqw Resent-Message-ID: <3cN4uC.A.PZD.JzMuOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 06:31:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_028D_01CC9D9D.00323B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, I didn't know him well-but he seemed very genuine. My buddy Harvey of Starr Labs knows him from back when Gibson was absorbing Oberheim . . . I know he played guitar, anyone ever hear him attempt live looping? Maybe at one of those warehouse parties I missed? ------=_NextPart_000_028D_01CC9D9D.00323B20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yeah, I didn’t know him = well—but he seemed very genuine.

My buddy Harvey of Starr Labs knows = him from back when Gibson was absorbing Oberheim . . = .

I know he played guitar, anyone = ever hear him attempt live looping? Maybe at one of those warehouse parties I = missed?

------=_NextPart_000_028D_01CC9D9D.00323B20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 06:51:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D1DC18345F; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 06:51:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <4EB7FAB6.8050009@cruzio.com> Subject: RE: Re: The livelooping demon Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 07:51:06 +0100 Message-ID: <952D5178030742C1B7ECFC5BE305A1DC@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acyd4S6PBX7mkTMMTAKUEcPrB2GhBAAAYdTA In-Reply-To: <4EB7FAB6.8050009@cruzio.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 Resent-Message-ID: <5ahjL.A.BpD.eFNuOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 06:51:10 +0000 (UTC) very good Andy -mpe > > On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 10:59 AM, andy > butler wrote: > >> Way back long ago Looper's Delight folk > >> were happy to talk about "looping" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 07:58:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA75018345F; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 07:58:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=fHaMArffqKmYAsTC6YreWD0XzBu6JkTdniWOM4CaD1E=; b=XO+dU9lcNsu/lobz8nKvmk8ULVdElSa9ldoept8v3uREechxioLrItvd2zY4kVozr/ CVtqsdw+epkjOByVpcQPAsM2NOHph9hXN+TDivr6BVB7MEeqKjE+IstYO5RrNC6kUMQi SlU1HT5JyRAHMOpp/xXMnOekGdY5WUZ3V5vH0= References: <224D5300-2863-4918-AB7F-1BB03DA2C048@baymoon.com> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: <224D5300-2863-4918-AB7F-1BB03DA2C048@baymoon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8L1) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 08:58:50 +0100 Message-ID: <-7751915676222053568@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: Guitar wiring.. Is this dangerous??? To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 07:58:59 +0000 (UTC) On 6 Nov 2011, at 18:16, William Walker wrote: > I would use the best audio cable you can afford /not use the GK cable to pass strait audio, yep, use two cables from your guitar. ok tried this now, and yes it got rid if the hum, and the electrocution from my 9v source. I personally can't hear a difference, but I trust your theory is sound. > might also get rid of the ground hum in the process. > 2 cent from a recovering guitar synthesist (5 years of sobriety) > Bill > > PS any more enthusiastic reviews of the GR55 and I may fall off the wagon. ill Get around to this, from an initial shock at how ...the same as the GR30, just without the arp ( which i KNEW In advance- but still why remove the best thing about the 30/33?) i have gotten over a learning curve, and am now "getting it", i am just concentrating on making usable guitar sounds now, lots of fun, I particularly like how there are a few programable control switches, and pedal. so 1 patch ( My clean patch) can have a switch to turn on dirt, and a switch (hidden under the pedal, just like a Wah) that can turn on a wah. In this way 1 patch can have numerous variations. no patch change lag on these AFAICT... review later m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 08:29:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CEC6D18345E; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 08:29:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A02020B.4EB8E857.00AB,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=F/S3dXrHddD3zhv5Bsc7oD2RewBuymM26VWqFKxPV+0= c=1 sm=1 a=jAkZaWEQ9eMA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IDQZPWAOk3jkEbRLu4diLA==:17 a=Y7ON5R6dTLCLPvqPEbQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=IDQZPWAOk3jkEbRLu4diLA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: References: <4EB60041.2000207@cruzio.com> Subject: RE: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 00:29:07 -0800 Message-ID: <784557BFE76242C4A1792A4BADBA5BAC@your0548c161e1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4EB60041.2000207@cruzio.com> Thread-Index: AcycNQDyaad3LbUcTEqprnKzMSMEKQBu0CQg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 Resent-Message-ID: <-APAr.A.ZyE.ZhOuOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 08:29:13 +0000 (UTC) I am using a Digitech Jamman to store prerecorded guitar tracks, to perform "karaoke style" at my 1860's hotel gig. I have tried using a laptop and sequences, and that was too canned for them. But since most From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 08:37:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6DBA183460; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 08:37:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020208.4EB8EA32.00D1,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=pDfi3yiR4wlxx6i+1aiJP1HDhm8TseNaVYw5fNRkD0A= c=1 sm=1 a=jAkZaWEQ9eMA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IDQZPWAOk3jkEbRLu4diLA==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=pAc4bjFJTCvPuisLn44A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=IDQZPWAOk3jkEbRLu4diLA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: References: <4EB60041.2000207@cruzio.com> <784557BFE76242C4A1792A4BADBA5BAC@your0548c161e1> Subject: RE: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 00:36:58 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <784557BFE76242C4A1792A4BADBA5BAC@your0548c161e1> Thread-Index: AcycNQDyaad3LbUcTEqprnKzMSMEKQBu0CQgAAAajiA= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 08:37:08 +0000 (UTC) -----Original Message----- From: Clayton Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 12:29 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops I am using a Digitech Jamman to store prerecorded guitar tracks, to perform "karaoke style" at my 1860's hotel gig. I have tried using a laptop and sequences, and that was too canned for them. But since most people aren't paying very close attention, canned loops are less obvious. I am playing more chromatic harmonica these days than at any other time in my somewhat lengthy career, and the canned loops allow me to begin a piece with chrom, rather than build a loop and then solo. I use the 'Rang III for live looping, and would rather use the EDP but it is more trouble--and I'm not making much money these days! Ya oughtta see me live loop Wildwood Flower--move over Bill Frisell! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 09:05:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CB7018345D; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:05:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020203.4EB8F0EC.00E0,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=8REYuqoajsmvOCQrDW+1/TDKVSLpI8De9SQQk3E9NNY= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IDQZPWAOk3jkEbRLu4diLA==:17 a=UCTP-iQprPf5JCmgPRkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=IDQZPWAOk3jkEbRLu4diLA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: References: <017201cc87aa$e1939f40$a4baddc0$@michaelplishka.com> <4E9398C2.1000305@cruzio.com> Subject: RE: LP-2 Mini Looper Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 01:05:44 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4E9398C2.1000305@cruzio.com> Thread-Index: AcyHs1RLDf3p9ngOSRqDj+f83P0RLwWQeuiw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 Resent-Message-ID: <7t7-oB.A.JSF.uDPuOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:05:50 +0000 (UTC) Looks like the LP-2 is getting close to shipping . . . the website says it is available "soon" . . . So how long is the delay time? Does it ship with an SD card? Anybody received theirs yet? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 10:21:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF12D18345E; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 10:21:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EB902B0.1050700@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 02:21:36 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Re: Palindrom References: <0D005F3B-25A1-43AC-9C32-C93EA845071D@earthwormandfire.com> In-Reply-To: <0D005F3B-25A1-43AC-9C32-C93EA845071D@earthwormandfire.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <316HtB.A.zFG.2KQuOB@arsenic> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 10:21:42 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, chaz worm wrote: > Never odd or even Oh, I love this one, speaking of odd time signatures. This is particularly apropos because if you play a 16th note palindromic rhythm in an odd time signature and play a constant 8th note rhythm against it (like playing two bars of 7/16 against one bar of contant 8th notes in 7/8) then the first repetition of the rhythm's on and off beat relationship will exactly reverse in the second bar): whatever had been an 'on-beat' is now and 'off-beat' and vice versa. 7/16 ||: X * X * X * X | X * X * X * X :|| now written in one bar of 7/8 = 7/8 ||: X * X * X * X X * X * X * X :|| now adding a constant 8th note 'framing rhythm' = 7/8 ||: X * X * X * X X * X * X * X:|| O O O O O O O 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 11:06:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E47F818345C; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:06:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 695412384/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.189.178/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.189.178 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjACALwMuU5V0r2y/2dsb2JhbAAMN5pakiABAQEEOEARCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAcASiS0EmT+MUA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,476,1315177200"; d="scan'208";a="695412384" Message-ID: <4EB90D38.3030703@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 11:06:32 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Palindrom References: <0D005F3B-25A1-43AC-9C32-C93EA845071D@earthwormandfire.com> <4EB902B0.1050700@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4EB902B0.1050700@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:06:22 +0000 (UTC) Rick's Palindrome rhythms are palindromic even when not looped. Once you loop, then there are many more. 11/8 ||: X*X*X**X**X** :|| no they said, that's not the same backwards.. ...but loop it and hit reverse ...and if you're being picky, hit reverse right on the second X With Rick's beats you'd have to hit reverse a half a time division before the end of the bar to keep them running evenly. Here's one where you'd hit reverse right at the beginning of the bar. 11/8 ||: X*XX*XX*XX* :|| andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 11:15:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0154E18345B; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:15:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 695416010/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.189.178/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.189.178 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ak8CAAEOuU5V0r2y/2dsb2JhbAAMN5pajE+FUQEBAQMBODkNCwshJQ8CRhwBh364EYktBJk/jFA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,476,1315177200"; d="scan'208";a="695416010" Message-ID: <4EB90F45.10203@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 11:15:17 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Is it Live ? Kim and Matt References: <6B91CF244BCB4E33A71BE865C4A88F7F@your0548c161e1> <4EB8C1AB.4010509@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4EB8C1AB.4010509@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:15:06 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker wrote: > his resistance to the creation of a live looping movement through > the creation of > live looping festivals as more of a political thing as opposed to > specifically a > loops versus live looping kind of dialectic. What Kim Flint really objected to was the use of the term "Looping" being used to promote music that excluded pre-recorded loops. He had a vision of interaction between the two approaches to looping. I think it may be true to say that he wasn't a fan of ambient guitar music, and that he thought that witnessing ambient guitarists would discourage people from using looping devices. (in the early days, LD was somewhat dominated by ambient guitarists, some of whom expressed anti-canned loop sentiments). For those who don't know, Kim was Matthias' business partner in a company called Aurisis. So is some part responsible for the existence of the EDP loop device, and very much responsible for it being associated with Gibson. He was really against the use of software for live looping, using his position in Aurisis to prevent Matt from developing and releasing his looping plugin. (resolved amicably when Matt bought out Kim's share). I'm sure if Kim was around he could express his reasons much better than I ever could, hope I haven't misrepresented him. ...and obviously Matt is the one to present his side. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 11:36:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20C7D183460; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:36:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 4676 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 11:36:49 UTC From: Reyn Ouwehand Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_BC669B91-EB6A-484D-A2AF-097AC4220F40" Subject: Re: Palindrom Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:16:21 +0100 In-Reply-To: <15DE0F65-C839-4467-8554-4F5637D3FD92@kliklak.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20111108000248.5D69A1834B5@arsenic.violacea.com> <15DE0F65-C839-4467-8554-4F5637D3FD92@kliklak.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Authenticated-Sender: reynouwehand@quicknet.nl (via SMTP) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1RNij9-0005XZ-6P X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: geen spam, SpamAssassin (niet cached, score=-2.899, vereist 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, BAYES_00 -1.90, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: loopers-delight@reyn.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:36:50 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_BC669B91-EB6A-484D-A2AF-097AC4220F40 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 "No, it is open on one position!" Cheers, Reyn www.reyn.net www.studiothechurch.com On Nov 8, 2011, at 1:58 AM, jayrope LD wrote: > Andre Thomkins added to this > "Dogma i am god" > "Stragey get arts" > "Oh! cet =E9cho" > *** > - - -=20 > jayrope > http://www.kliklak.net >=20 > On Nov 8, 2011, at 1:02 AM, = Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: >=20 >> From: Rick Walker >> Date: November 8, 2011 12:37:08 AM GMT+01:00 >> To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" >> Subject: PALINDROMIC RHYTHMS: 11/11/11 at 11:11 for 11:11 Project >>=20 >>=20 >> Let's hear it for palindromes!!!!! >>=20 >> Here's one in 11/8 for shits and giggles. >>=20 >> *11/8 ||: X * X * X * X * X * X :||** >> 1 2 3 4 5 a * >>=20 >> This one can be played as if it is 5 even pulses with a skipping last = note. >>=20 >> I call this a 'Broken 5 Pulse'...............you count, "1,2,3,4,5a" >>=20 >>=20 >> Another cool one: >>=20 >> *11/8 ||: X * X X X * X X X * X :|| >>=20 >> *ble te-ri-ple te-ri-ple dou- >>=20 >> These you can sing using the syllables >>=20 >> one dou-ble te-ri-ple, etc. >>=20 >> When a dou-ble phrase occurs where the downbeat of the measure is on = the 'ble' syllable >> I just say " uh-one " instead of 'dou-ble' >>=20 >> Here's another >>=20 >> *11/8 ||: X * X X * X * X X * X :||* >> one dou-ble one dou-ble uh >>=20 >>=20 >> Have fun!!! >>=20 >> rick >=20 --Apple-Mail=_BC669B91-EB6A-484D-A2AF-097AC4220F40 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
Cheers,

Reyn

www.reyn.net
www.studiothechurch.com

On Nov 8, 2011, at 1:58 AM, jayrope LD wrote:

Andre = Thomkins added to this
"Dogma i am god"
"Stragey get arts"
"Oh! = cet =E9cho"
***
- - -
jayrope
http://www.kliklak.net

On Nov = 8, 2011, at 1:02 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com = wrote:

From: Rick Walker = <looppool@cruzio.com>
Date: November 8, 2011 12:37:08 AM = GMT+01:00
To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT = (posting)" = <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Subject: PALINDROMIC RHYTHMS: 11/11/11 at 11:11 for 11:11 = Project


Let's hear it = for palindromes!!!!!

Here's one in = 11/8 for shits and giggles.

*11/8  ||: =  X * X * X * X * X * X :||**
=           1 =   2   3   4   5   a = *

This one can be played as if it is 5 even pulses with a = skipping last note.

I call this a = 'Broken 5 Pulse'...............you count, =  "1,2,3,4,5a"


Another cool = one:

*11/8  ||: =  X * X X X * X X X * X :||

*ble =    te-ri-ple   te-ri-ple =   dou-

These you can = sing using the syllables

one =   dou-ble   te-ri-ple, =   etc.

When a dou-ble = phrase occurs where the downbeat of the measure is on the 'ble' = syllable
I just say =   "  uh-one "  instead of = 'dou-ble'

Here's = another

*11/8  ||: =  X * X X * X * X X * X :||*
=             &n= bsp;  one   dou-ble  one =    dou-ble   uh


Have = fun!!!

rick


= --Apple-Mail=_BC669B91-EB6A-484D-A2AF-097AC4220F40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 11:46:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC95418345F; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:46:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Reyn Ouwehand Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_7242C421-1B20-4546-A120-9BDDDBCA819F" Subject: Re: Palindrom Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 12:46:14 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20111108000248.5D69A1834B5@arsenic.violacea.com> <15DE0F65-C839-4467-8554-4F5637D3FD92@kliklak.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Authenticated-Sender: reynouwehand@quicknet.nl (via SMTP) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1RNk87-0007aX-L2 X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: geen spam, SpamAssassin (niet cached, score=-2.899, vereist 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, BAYES_00 -1.90, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: loopers-delight@reyn.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:46:18 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_7242C421-1B20-4546-A120-9BDDDBCA819F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 (and yes, I got a Palindrometer: http://www.funklogic.com/palindrometer) = :-D On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:16 AM, Reyn Ouwehand wrote: > "No, it is open on one position!" >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Reyn >=20 > www.reyn.net > www.studiothechurch.com >=20 > On Nov 8, 2011, at 1:58 AM, jayrope LD wrote: >=20 >> Andre Thomkins added to this >> "Dogma i am god" >> "Stragey get arts" >> "Oh! cet =E9cho" >> *** >> - - -=20 >> jayrope >> http://www.kliklak.net >>=20 >> On Nov 8, 2011, at 1:02 AM, = Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: >>=20 >>> From: Rick Walker >>> Date: November 8, 2011 12:37:08 AM GMT+01:00 >>> To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" = >>> Subject: PALINDROMIC RHYTHMS: 11/11/11 at 11:11 for 11:11 Project >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Let's hear it for palindromes!!!!! >>>=20 >>> Here's one in 11/8 for shits and giggles. >>>=20 >>> *11/8 ||: X * X * X * X * X * X :||** >>> 1 2 3 4 5 a * >>>=20 >>> This one can be played as if it is 5 even pulses with a skipping = last note. >>>=20 >>> I call this a 'Broken 5 Pulse'...............you count, = "1,2,3,4,5a" >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Another cool one: >>>=20 >>> *11/8 ||: X * X X X * X X X * X :|| >>>=20 >>> *ble te-ri-ple te-ri-ple dou- >>>=20 >>> These you can sing using the syllables >>>=20 >>> one dou-ble te-ri-ple, etc. >>>=20 >>> When a dou-ble phrase occurs where the downbeat of the measure is on = the 'ble' syllable >>> I just say " uh-one " instead of 'dou-ble' >>>=20 >>> Here's another >>>=20 >>> *11/8 ||: X * X X * X * X X * X :||* >>> one dou-ble one dou-ble uh >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Have fun!!! >>>=20 >>> rick >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_7242C421-1B20-4546-A120-9BDDDBCA819F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 (and = yes, I got a Palindrometer: http://www.funklogic.com/p= alindrometer) :-D

On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:16 AM, Reyn Ouwehand wrote:

"No, it is open on one = position!"


On Nov 8, 2011, at 1:58 AM, jayrope LD wrote:

Andre = Thomkins added to this
"Dogma i am god"
"Stragey get arts"
"Oh! = cet =E9cho"
***
- - -
jayrope
http://www.kliklak.net

On = Nov 8, 2011, at 1:02 AM, Loopers-Deli= ght-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote:

From: Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com>
Date: November 8, 2011 12:37:08 AM = GMT+01:00
To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT = (posting)" <Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com>
Subject: = PALINDROMIC RHYTHMS: 11/11/11 at 11:11 for 11:11 = Project


Let's hear it = for palindromes!!!!!

Here's one in = 11/8 for shits and giggles.

*11/8  ||: =  X * X * X * X * X * X :||**
=           1 =   2   3   4   5   a = *

This one can be played as if it is 5 even pulses with a = skipping last note.

I call this a = 'Broken 5 Pulse'...............you count, =  "1,2,3,4,5a"


Another cool = one:

*11/8  ||: =  X * X X X * X X X * X :||

*ble =    te-ri-ple   te-ri-ple =   dou-

These you can = sing using the syllables

one =   dou-ble   te-ri-ple, =   etc.

When a dou-ble = phrase occurs where the downbeat of the measure is on the 'ble' = syllable
I just say =   "  uh-one "  instead of = 'dou-ble'

Here's = another

*11/8  ||: =  X * X X * X * X X * X :||*
=             &n= bsp;  one   dou-ble  one =    dou-ble   uh


Have = fun!!!

rick


=

= --Apple-Mail=_7242C421-1B20-4546-A120-9BDDDBCA819F-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 12:35:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 922C518345E; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 12:35:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=4bHiOXDRjaM0OnieFDeWx1DvDDMXcYHSwAHCXu9U+Iw=; b=IibbHOA/gUEyP8eMx/FRDs9SFerUKXwOe7Q+EGr/fi1DBQcn9CxHwExlPwmpYCTJ8w TrX/aZlsrVyNGiJPfvx7nxvC9GJDJVrxBY04U9WPu5Ger8XoRf5aBHt994f6zIpeaw7F sOmNPqJUVbkipws3zFK6QVrGV+TNp7E7pArW4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <6b361c46.235087.1336f557395.Webtop.46@charter.net> <4EB4173B.1060609@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 13:35:44 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What do YOU do when creativity dries up? From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 12:35:45 +0000 (UTC) I read David Bowie does something like this i believe,he writes a feeling or lyrics every day on a card then pulls them all out and mixes them and constructs lyrics with them you could try the same with musical bits and pieces i suppose Luis On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > I have a set of index cards I maintain and turn to when things dry up... > > Each card contains one entry; > > What would Brian Wilson do? > > What would Joni MItchell do? > > What would Glen Campbell do? > > What would Prince do? > > What would Gang of Four do? > > and so on. > > I've never had to draw a second card... and there has never been a case > where the card and the current project were unable to find some point of > meaningful engagement... nor has the result ever been anywhere close to > detectable vis a vis the inspirational source taken from the card. And it's > very often shed new light on what seems to be an intractable situation :) > > It's been a wonderful tool for me... highly recommended :) > > Phil :) > -- www.luis-angulo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 12:41:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 854A118345B; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 12:41:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=aIEPk6MZ0Iz/QHkolpiZb+Rssy5UXsZg7uyVfMIJKaA=; b=ogWPBGnCyxbKcDPodZpefgoh4ZImEVHeDlSUv7A4hNAv8HAEHwgSt4JAbwOFtU25v4 ImbmzE6Xp0w2ooRTe3OwF9L/kl0KY4HhkU96wu5PjpXLSDJ4q1B14O5LvyRsG2gh3k2V r2BK2a0CtHvIYJ4tT7zBpAx4xWxuyNdD0rM8A= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4EB60041.2000207@cruzio.com> <784557BFE76242C4A1792A4BADBA5BAC@your0548c161e1> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 13:41:50 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <2-0aR.A.5G.QOSuOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 12:41:52 +0000 (UTC) I think this subject line is a bit off, because if you want to use something pre recorded in a concert plain loops may not not be the best choice. You could as well make a longer track where the backing music changes a bit over time rather than just repeating loops. This subtle over time evolution is a really difficult challenge to achieve in looping - so why not fix that when you have a chance to prepare backing tracks in advance? I also think there is too much focus on "repetition" in our discussions about looping. To me the essence of looping is about playing multiple parallel parts! The art form of live looping shouldn't bee seen as "making a loop and play over it" but rather as "making a loop and keep on changing it while playing over it". In essence a multitasking performance approach that makes looping stand out compared with many other musical disciplines. In traditional music I think the role of the conductor is closest to a live looper; juggling multiple parts simultaneously to glue the music together in a way that it flows through time with a good balance between periods of novelty vs rest. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 12:46:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12C80183454; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 12:46:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=1Ql4mIunmM+A0K/YNI//UFdR6iMpZg01jqATjEp131s=; b=jz9BikxOKxblH7nQ/FXVI+V2hJZ8EsZkmPTWgg0LFGQjlJEQn7YiTK4OTkj7jMqC+5 kLg3q/3ENJ3WFdyQivaTChzg04vp4Pnjpm+BDPPOrqwGEt6hFhVSqcRAJLFx0s9bzIDG iu+6VpkM5Y5fxc06rSIDr011L/+GhsF54LOkQ= Subject: Re: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops References: <4EB60041.2000207@cruzio.com> <784557BFE76242C4A1792A4BADBA5BAC@your0548c161e1> From: Todd Reynolds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A334) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <083D5319-0BC2-49E2-95E6-A35A74CAA065@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 07:46:49 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 12:46:54 +0000 (UTC) Well said! I concur! Sent from my iPhone On Nov 8, 2011, at 7:41 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > I think this subject line is a bit off, because if you want to use > something pre recorded in a concert plain loops may not not be the > best choice. You could as well make a longer track where the backing > music changes a bit over time rather than just repeating loops. This > subtle over time evolution is a really difficult challenge to achieve > in looping - so why not fix that when you have a chance to prepare > backing tracks in advance? > > I also think there is too much focus on "repetition" in our > discussions about looping. To me the essence of looping is about > playing multiple parallel parts! The art form of live looping > shouldn't bee seen as "making a loop and play over it" but rather as > "making a loop and keep on changing it while playing over it". In > essence a multitasking performance approach that makes looping stand > out compared with many other musical disciplines. In traditional music > I think the role of the conductor is closest to a live looper; > juggling multiple parts simultaneously to glue the music together in a > way that it flows through time with a good balance between periods of > novelty vs rest. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 12:57:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E740A183461; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 12:57:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=K41Qe7hmXPH2y+XKAQ+yP/iiCmZxO2o0BuT3XAFQJ8k=; b=DYGVuX9m35n+xiJEkrnWhp6kb2ctsRYjlAEh9m3WerU/iXHfUQC5xjVAD8kMcs45hN VYjWPlIFurORrCruyzH+v2/ZrmLrQ3BFjaM4/jQQ/2IJsi7CcdPNrcXkkB6aMQviuUHc cV1sQCFw/AuYATbAjmKwMzndbJQPX98eI6SLA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <6b361c46.235087.1336f557395.Webtop.46@charter.net> <4EB4173B.1060609@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 13:57:47 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What do YOU do when creativity dries up? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 12:57:48 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Louie Angulo wrote: > I read David Bowie does something like this i believe,he writes a > feeling or lyrics every day on a card then pulls them all out and > mixes them and constructs lyrics with them > you could try the same with musical bits and pieces i suppose Bowie got the idea form writer William S. Burroughs ("cut-up method") that got the idea from the dadaist movement of the twenties. Bowie extended this game to pick up cards that tell his playing band mates what chord to move into on the next bar change. Some of that stuff got into the album Lodger, where he also forced the musicians to switch instruments (just on one of the tracks) and play an instrument they didn't master. Guess they had a lot of fun and the music in fact came out... well, in a different way ;-) Another interesting story here is that ensemble piece of John Zorn where a big ensemble of musicians is given the task to improvise according to his directions. The musicians do of course believe that the piece is about "making interesting music by utilizing this form of conducted group improvisation", but the real purpose is much more sinister than that... the piece really is about performing a practical demonstration of how rude and selfish many people become when interacting in a social situation and how other individuals tend to diminish themselves when stepped on. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 13:16:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 940BF183461; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 13:16:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=CbhD8TEG1LQ8r5xAa5InlaCw0Ccg8qnKRgAi/B7rXV8=; b=RIkR1zwxYWIrvOd+h83oN++vPvXZTcSeWMVci/mNsXUFxP2nrHaQOdG6Wqz2NOg42R J6n2PfH3Hp9ePyxHq/CVfUOkIZS6donHbPHEmd7rQMG+JcpIdgEI0VQmKkblxQw+IFKf Lmn+b7tq9fT8bWxjZWrCjEkcxpjWdPfNMSO7M= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <-7751915676222053568@unknownmsgid> References: <224D5300-2863-4918-AB7F-1BB03DA2C048@baymoon.com> <-7751915676222053568@unknownmsgid> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 14:16:22 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Guitar wiring.. Is this dangerous??? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 13:16:23 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 8:58 AM, mark francombe wrote: > ill Get around to this, from an initial shock at how ...the same as > the GR30, just without the arp ( which i KNEW In advance- but still > why remove the best thing about the 30/33?) i have gotten over a > learning curve, and am now "getting it", Yes I too miss an arp in there. But for me it works just as good to put the arp in the laptop (Alchemy). Another thing "missing" in the is the option to use analog input level for assigning a envelope follow function to a parameter (Duke mentioned this as one of his fav's). But I love the GR55 anyway! One cool thing I like is to use its Ping Pong Delay for looping. You could use the Ctrl button to "cut in/out" audio or you could set the expression pedal to a nice scaling of several parameters like delay feedback, delay volume, delay input. You can get a musically very playable freeze-morph-looping patch out of that. And be sure to check out those "feedback guitar" tones! Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 15:09:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 397D618345B; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 15:09:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=I4yzPWvRuA+Od7b2POFx2+l46O5w3TJ7qyeWM2On7Z4=; b=jZtlZOXlWQLIkx13/51wOAzDBPMf/WfmeCv+uITNgkMewYJjHyjD1LA524AMxdUVYs iJUID32wmCDlUV8NPD6ylZ9vRNpF7lnDq689vFAOzeTswUoX+BjS1pfT7nhY8qOfKp38 JC5Qx4JhAR+RSi9nl4sQ7W45IPwZjalr4PrTo= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: livelooping. organic From: Matthias Grob In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 13:09:03 -0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7663DE66-AD6D-42DE-8EB3-D57B8596B19F@gmail.com> References: <1b7c756b.237ded.1337055a4b3.Webtop.46@charter.net> <7B167843-C574-4D13-8125-CC01A67C2776@grubmah.com> <426EA827-CEB8-4D74-BF07-22411410AEC2@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 15:09:41 +0000 (UTC) On 7 Nov 2011, at 12:54, william middlemiss wrote: > Once you give up 'hard borders' and look for the result (music) and = not dwell on the method, music becomes possible.=20 there never have been hard borders for anything related to music whenever you want to grab music its not there any more yet its more real than matter is! >=20 > When I was 'arguing' (I cant even call it that because my position = lacked force, and that was intentional) I found it difficult even to = define a process as 'live looping' or not. I mean, I could listen to a = 'looper' all day, but I'd rather hear a musician. sure! if you listen to say Rypdal or Eberhard Weber you do not think of = Jazz either if you ever "listen to Jazz" :-)= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 15:24:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 043EE18345F; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 15:24:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <4EB60041.2000207@cruzio.com><784557BFE76242C4A1792A4BADBA5BAC@your0548c161e1> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: michael klobuchar X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CE6C41A2687B1A_167C_2F2041_webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34290-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CE6C41A25A32C2-167C-129234@webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [151.201.12.69] Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 10:24:26 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1320765866; bh=jbPEuX+G1IMoIgyiVEh0MGAZFpkAqs9t+zZ2Xbkwv2k=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=J6lDeB8HVx2VpdZ9PSUbRBj51A5TCUXwnsMyNgeMN3sCk0lBbT5YCAdVx1ycQK0lc Zr5DMj2QZt1bFDGB8CMGedIHtS71zKbfjd4oej1Lw5zxYdxsTgwOuasiEtX1MvsgSW 0vqmR/rPns0I158UH72hvmqzFCqGHMjcBg316c5A= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:205670352:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca4eb949aa4769 Resent-Message-ID: <5d-I8C.A.GiC.wmUuOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 15:24:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CE6C41A2687B1A_167C_2F2041_webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" PER SEZ: This subtle over time evolution is a really difficult challenge to achieve in looping - now there's the question! =20 ----------MB_8CE6C41A2687B1A_167C_2F2041_webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" PER SEZ:
This subtle over time evolution is a really difficult challenge to achieve in looping -

now there's the question!
----------MB_8CE6C41A2687B1A_167C_2F2041_webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 15:55:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C280418345C; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 15:55:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=+d8Kf0EOaQAAKhKPZuR/q+5Vuc3KAJ+U81EcJHdkmGo=; b=FCwieQGjO1yWLnkp9tqFt6LBzGhDXjETpshUEhN/Vo4/rCKjtcLOVf8b1oxdOtbKPf WYbdf7JS7baECIyzOvCnbN/sKD3PXf64tGMGkOFevgH/YTSc3oFaHnPQTrd45HM0ROtT 4fM77ozjU3yWorl9UclVAydzKPomRdxoUyEG4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8CE6C41A25A32C2-167C-129234@webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com> References: <4EB60041.2000207@cruzio.com> <784557BFE76242C4A1792A4BADBA5BAC@your0548c161e1> <8CE6C41A25A32C2-167C-129234@webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 10:55:37 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340d4bd7e84304b13b3396 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 15:55:38 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340d4bd7e84304b13b3396 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The more things change, the more things stay the same. What about building an evolving loop before hand, and playing a repetitious theme live? --14dae9340d4bd7e84304b13b3396 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The more things change, the more things stay the same.=A0

What about building an evolving loop before hand, and playing a repetitio= us theme live?
--14dae9340d4bd7e84304b13b3396-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 17:04:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8D2418345C; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 17:04:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 808312.54667.bm@omp1019.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1320771883; bh=uMIaogMAXwfZSn8wxeehBESPQncXp2+nYe1M0E4oP2Q=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Mailer; b=ivHFjDy6eZDxxlYEz8XqIbsHyJ9HBo7WQKlQFHdJiWyDxBpK541UL2HXQ2n+75PcGdYqqt1jHXDzTnmBvynA1k4BMO2xZij3ipWwQHqGmQ8gMx6ehHPHGBeRzSWb/ccHd1MgAjPXGOa4NX4a8iY0dFRgcgIItgNzNocWOkc9ziM= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: mXXSmRcVM1mmxracZAWF1.U8bXiJOPLjXzCw3oUNd.29rvE VQtrMpoplcPDoySg0aNj0jiG2zN9eiVs1iiMNGx2iSXJy_2ljqOb1ttwW1dE mjiB1aujHU0PCt3z2I.85m08qEXFbUgzwv7MqVudGwdS5VQPyqKd_UnJaZF4 nDRv5EKM5Tt5YydbxcVT_FVEt71vI7JoExJoKIfAEBrIiHXeB6Xzeo_cfmfp c_9B3AKmUztFj7bliPEjkNhX7KAtvnsrUVFdqq4qE0JODm1QpcayUCICgjyB Lk2mPvmLosLM4ytf1KWZkduB4qBaxdFZKsMzaBxQD5LKbVWTgCfNPYZuLMet tmJyOdP4tGq.9coAIY7JRlef.vpmi2IftqiDry2DEC4BUnB1liZf4upGPStT e X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F Message-Id: <39C4380B-CA38-400B-8E1F-1F187CC4F950@carlsonarts.com> From: Michael Carlson Music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8CE6C41A25A32C2-167C-129234@webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-1014781843 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:04:41 -0800 References: <4EB60041.2000207@cruzio.com><784557BFE76242C4A1792A4BADBA5BAC@your0548c161e1> <8CE6C41A25A32C2-167C-129234@webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 17:04:45 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-1014781843 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is exactly the challenge I am tackling lately conceptually. Since my looping has been primarily based on narrative lyrical songs rather than text-less ambient textures (I'm trying to be descriptive, not making judgments), I'm trying to envision a way to create short, one-measure loops that can accompany vocal melodies similar to how an arranger keyboard uses "styles." If I created a one-measure loop based on a major chord, for example, I want to be able to transpose it to cover the I, IV, and V in a major key. Then, if I have a loop based on a minor chord, it could cover ii, iii, and vi in a major key. Then, I could step through the loops in sequence to follow the chord changes in a song, similar to how you can do with a vocal harmonizer such as the VoiceLive. And, as the building blocks for each one-measure loop, I'd love to be able to sample brief syllables like "bop", "dit", and vowels "oo" "ah", and be able to play those on a keyboard to help the loops evolve over time from more percussive effects to smoother, quieter ones, and vice versa. The shorter the loops get, and the smaller the audio chunks that I want to capture, though, the more it starts to feel like I need to use a sampler with an arpeggiator or a keyboard playing "styles" rather than a looper. I think some kind of combination of sampling, looping, and voice-to- MIDI will allow me to become the whole band and sing whatever song I want in my own a cappella style. Does this sound crazy? Is anybody doing this sort of thing? Would anyone like to partner with me to create such a looping system? "Join me and we will rule the galaxy together!" Moo-hoo-hah-hah- haaaah!!! Peace and adventure, Michael Carlson (TripleOhNine) On Nov 8, 2011, at 7:24 AM, michael klobuchar wrote: > PER SEZ: > This > subtle over time evolution is a really difficult challenge to achieve > in looping - > > now there's the question! > > --Apple-Mail-2-1014781843 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is exactly the challenge I = am tackling lately conceptually.  Since my looping has been = primarily based on narrative lyrical songs rather than text-less ambient = textures (I'm trying to be descriptive, not making judgments), I'm = trying to envision a way to create short, one-measure loops that can = accompany vocal melodies similar to how an arranger keyboard uses = "styles."  If I created a one-measure loop based on a major chord, = for example, I want to be able to transpose it to cover the I, IV, and V = in a major key.  Then, if I have a loop based on a minor chord, it = could cover ii, iii, and vi in a major key.  Then, I could step = through the loops in sequence to follow the chord changes in a song, = similar to how you can do with a vocal harmonizer such as the VoiceLive. =  

And, as the building blocks for each = one-measure loop, I'd love to be able to sample brief syllables like = "bop", "dit", and vowels "oo" "ah", and be able to play those on a = keyboard to help the loops evolve over time from more percussive effects = to smoother, quieter ones, and vice versa. =   

The shorter the loops get, and the = smaller the audio chunks that I want to capture, though, the more it = starts to feel like I need to use a sampler with an arpeggiator or a = keyboard playing "styles" rather than a looper. =  

I think some kind of combination of = sampling, looping, and voice-to-MIDI will allow me to become the whole = band and sing whatever song I want in my own a cappella = style. 

Does this sound crazy? =  

Is anybody doing this sort of thing? =  Would anyone like to partner with me to create such a looping = system?

"Join me and we will rule the = galaxy together!" =  Moo-hoo-hah-hah-haaaah!!!

Peace and = adventure,
Michael Carlson = (TripleOhNine)


On Nov = 8, 2011, at 7:24 AM, michael klobuchar wrote:

PER SEZ:
This
subtle over time evolution is a really difficult challenge to achieve
in looping -

now there's the = question!
=

= --Apple-Mail-2-1014781843-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 17:14:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E1E918345E; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 17:14:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A02020A.4EB9635F.0037,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=Mm7wCnmhIH1F3xzFnZSx5GfOfjmr4St7hCElUMct5Xs= c=1 sm=1 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=IDQZPWAOk3jkEbRLu4diLA==:17 a=eItoi3OZAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=q01ZYhgVxmPnQEbgMg0A:9 a=Q8vKALX_g6kRytBFgEQA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=KAIvufDk1JEA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=0SUcWXpACjYFz25eRH0A:7 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=IDQZPWAOk3jkEbRLu4diLA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: References: <017201cc87aa$e1939f40$a4baddc0$@michaelplishka.com> <4E9398C2.1000305@cruzio.com> Subject: RE: LP-2 Mini Looper Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:13:52 -0800 Message-ID: <5652DBA276C14DC1886E6F625674609F@your0548c161e1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01CC9DF6.BC307630" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcyHs1RLDf3p9ngOSRqDj+f83P0RLwWQeuiwABEHf4A= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 17:14:08 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CC9DF6.BC307630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.looperlative.com/proddetail.php?prod=LP2 This page says loop lengths up to 200 seconds, and also leads one to believe that the SD card is the source of the memory used for looping-live or otherwise, since you can save your loops. No quite sure how you play them back tho, or even if that feature is implemented. Manual, anyone? -----Original Message----- From: Clayton Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 1:06 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: LP-2 Mini Looper Looks like the LP-2 is getting close to shipping . . . the website says it is available "soon" . . . So how long is the delay time? Does it ship with an SD card? Anybody received theirs yet? Gary ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CC9DF6.BC307630 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

http://www= .looperlative.com/proddetail.php?prod=3DLP2<= /p>

This page says loop lengths up to 200 seconds, and = also leads one to believe that the SD card is the source of the memory used = for looping—live or otherwise, since you can save your loops. No quite = sure how you play them back tho, or even if that feature is implemented. = Manual, anyone?

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Clayton Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 1:06 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: LP-2 Mini Looper

 

Looks like the LP-2 is getting close to shipping . . . the = website says it

is available "soon" . . .

So how long is the delay time?

Does it ship with an SD card?

Anybody received theirs yet?

Gary=

------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CC9DF6.BC307630-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 18:07:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24D5518345C; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 18:07:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qC3Y0gzM8wWB/U5Js/ck3ST6jecN19R5y7fj53xboTU=; b=bqbGn6otSFUc7t90Dq8y1H2M5rGMHBQx9GiNnzVWHpeCMpXLi9j3F7Tb/c+biaD2/R PQtR4lIVJOeoMCZwbwFbDf1E8BvyLneq3rOMl6LuxJRP45Bptcm30Pq9m8z0pIlOyd32 FSv8iwsQ1HQFGo8veQKCoAlR9lGS3MkwglqZ8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <39C4380B-CA38-400B-8E1F-1F187CC4F950@carlsonarts.com> References: <4EB60041.2000207@cruzio.com> <784557BFE76242C4A1792A4BADBA5BAC@your0548c161e1> <8CE6C41A25A32C2-167C-129234@webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com> <39C4380B-CA38-400B-8E1F-1F187CC4F950@carlsonarts.com> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:05:34 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <6Q9XIC.A.-6E.f_WuOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 18:07:27 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Michael Carlson Music wrote: > This is exactly the challenge I am tackling lately conceptually. =C2=A0Si= nce my > looping has been primarily based on narrative lyrical songs rather than > text-less ambient textures (I'm trying to be descriptive, not making > judgments), I'm trying to envision a way to create short, one-measure loo= ps > that can accompany vocal melodies similar to how an arranger keyboard use= s > "styles." =C2=A0If I created a one-measure loop based on a major chord, f= or > example, I want to be able to transpose it to cover the I, IV, and V in a > major key. Then, if I have a loop based on a minor chord, it could cover > ii, iii, and vi in a major key. =C2=A0Then, I could step through the loop= s in > sequence to follow the chord changes in a song, similar to how you can do > with a vocal harmonizer such as the VoiceLive. (1) My opinion, best on testing this out, is that using digital pitch-shifting to by force make a loop stay the same length when pitch transposed does not sound good enough. Might work for a "stand-up comedian looping show" but a lot musicality is simply list in the time-stretching procedure. (2) A second alternative is to use Speed Shifting (like a sampler does); this keeps the timbre full and punchy but messes with the timing as the length of the loop is changed according to pitch transposition. But Speed Shifting works fine with non rhythmic loops; if you for example make a bass line that works with all A, B and C major chords and then on a parallel looper creates seamless chord loop. Then Speed Shift the chord loop to follow the song's chord changes while singing over it. This technique might as well add some cool musicality to the sound. (3) Finally you can start out the performance by recording all chords needed for the song as separate linear loops. If you record only two bars of each chord your "performance kick-off" will only take fifteen bars of playing to set up those chord loops so you can start singing while stepping through them to create the song structure. Here's a tutorial video I made for doing this: http://www.perboysen.com/how-to-use-chord-progression-in-live-looping/ While doing that you may as well create the same number of synchronized chord loops with a different instrument part. After that run-through you are left with two loop tracks containing a full song structure chord loops setup and you may mute or fade one of them to create a break-down or whatever (maybe "chords+bass"). This approach is technically possible within Mobius and Ableton Live as far as I know. If using Live you have to record each loop as a clip, since its Looper plugin is not multi loop supporting. In Mobius you use Focus Lock to make your looping commands affect the second (or more) tracks loop slots as well as the selected track's loop slots. Sometimes it makes sense to use three parallel loops in order to have one rhythmic loop that keeps the beat going all through the changing of loops on the other two loop tracks. > And, as the building blocks for each one-measure loop, I'd love to be abl= e > to sample brief syllables like "bop", "dit", and vowels "oo" "ah", and be > able to play those on a keyboard to help the loops evolve over time from > more percussive effects to smoother, quieter ones, and vice versa. Wow, that's a really cool idea! Unfortunately normal samplers lack this live sampling function but you can use Mobius for this if set to one shot, or you could use Crossfade Loop Synth. Both will speed shift the sample to follow pitch of the the keyboard you are using to play it (or sequence it, like I did in the experiment on the link below) http://www.perboysen.com/steppophonic-looperformer-please-steal-this/ You can also do it in Live if you don't mind boring the audience some extra seconds to work on the computer screen; you need to first record a clip and then go into clip edit mode to set the start point at the word/syllable you want to play from the keyboard. Then set the clip launch properties to legato and play ahead. > The shorter the loops get, and the smaller the audio chunks that I want t= o > capture, though, the more it starts to feel like I need to use a sampler Ableton Live by definition IS a sampler, an extremely versatile sampler. > with an arpeggiator or a keyboard playing "styles" rather than a looper. > I think some kind of combination of sampling, looping, and voice-to-MIDI > will allow me to become the whole band and sing whatever song I want in m= y > own a cappella style. > Does this sound crazy? Not at all! As you see it is indeed possible to mock up such a system. The question is whether or not you will get bored before it is finished and decide to become a guitar aided troubadour instead ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 18:23:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03B4818345C; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 18:23:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=hr4h1/zkXYERSJ2EStLXlJ9v/X1e5ATtVUFVM9Abuxk= c=1 sm=0 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=A2bGdCcTAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=uBssf7DnAAAA:8 a=XZv1LNVrAAAA:8 a=qPzfMoOpAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=oTtuw1C_AAAA:8 a=utk1QM13tBA4trFx_W4A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=FX0AipKk9SoA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=pQ2a0EFxmsAA:10 a=z34sDfd08KHVtVO6TF4A:9 a=gTGiEGxMcnPTwiJHLwYA:7 a=2RbSvV6QyQQKsWX7QHWutw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Re: Palindrom References: <20111108000248.5D69A1834B5@arsenic.violacea.com> <15DE0F65-C839-4467-8554-4F5637D3FD92@kliklak.net> From: chaz worm Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-B0D64B5B-3C88-4A4C-AFF4-52D4E5440571 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <415391E7-815E-4266-9E7E-187CB6A4C61E@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 12:15:38 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A334) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 18:23:09 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-B0D64B5B-3C88-4A4C-AFF4-52D4E5440571 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 That's a great one. I took all mine from the ubiquitous Weird Al original Bo= b. Every verse if the song is a palindrome and as a whole makes total utter n= onsense. I don't know who it's making fun of but he sings in raspy tone over= a jangly folk rock beat and it has an atonal harmonica solo.=20 The only non Bob verse was the backing verse to the great They Might Be Gian= ts song I Palindrome I You know on the Simpsons when Bart got promoted to that advanced school ther= e was a class mate that only spoke in palindrome.=20 Love those palindromes.=20 Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo Earth, Worm, &, Fire and Electric Light Opry http://chazworm.com http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm On Nov 8, 2011, at 5:16 AM, Reyn Ouwehand wrote: > "No, it is open on one position!" >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Reyn >=20 > www.reyn.net > www.studiothechurch.com >=20 > On Nov 8, 2011, at 1:58 AM, jayrope LD wrote: >=20 >> Andre Thomkins added to this >> "Dogma i am god" >> "Stragey get arts" >> "Oh! cet =C3=A9cho" >> *** >> - - -=20 >> jayrope >> http://www.kliklak.net >>=20 >> On Nov 8, 2011, at 1:02 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com= wrote: >>=20 >>> From: Rick Walker >>> Date: November 8, 2011 12:37:08 AM GMT+01:00 >>> To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" >>> Subject: PALINDROMIC RHYTHMS: 11/11/11 at 11:11 for 11:11 Project >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Let's hear it for palindromes!!!!! >>>=20 >>> Here's one in 11/8 for shits and giggles. >>>=20 >>> *11/8 ||: X * X * X * X * X * X :||** >>> 1 2 3 4 5 a * >>>=20 >>> This one can be played as if it is 5 even pulses with a skipping last no= te. >>>=20 >>> I call this a 'Broken 5 Pulse'...............you count, "1,2,3,4,5a" >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Another cool one: >>>=20 >>> *11/8 ||: X * X X X * X X X * X :|| >>>=20 >>> *ble te-ri-ple te-ri-ple dou- >>>=20 >>> These you can sing using the syllables >>>=20 >>> one dou-ble te-ri-ple, etc. >>>=20 >>> When a dou-ble phrase occurs where the downbeat of the measure is on the= 'ble' syllable >>> I just say " uh-one " instead of 'dou-ble' >>>=20 >>> Here's another >>>=20 >>> *11/8 ||: X * X X * X * X X * X :||* >>> one dou-ble one dou-ble uh >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Have fun!!! >>>=20 >>> rick >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-B0D64B5B-3C88-4A4C-AFF4-52D4E5440571 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
That's a great one. I took= all mine from the ubiquitous Weird Al original Bob. Every verse if the song= is a palindrome and as a whole makes total utter nonsense. I don't know who= it's making fun of but he sings in raspy tone over a jangly folk rock beat a= nd it has an atonal harmonica solo. 

The only n= on Bob verse was the backing verse to the great They Might Be Giants song I P= alindrome I

You know on the Simpsons when Bart got p= romoted to that advanced school there was a class mate that only spoke in pa= lindrome. 

Love those palindromes. 

Chaz Worm= - singer, bass, banjo
Earth, Worm, &, Fire and
Electric L= ight Opry

On Nov 8, 2011, at 5:16 AM, Rey= n Ouwehand <loopers-delight@r= eyn.net> wrote:

"No, it is open on one position!"


On Nov 8, 2011, at 1:58 AM, jayrope LD wrote:

Andre Thomkins ad= ded to this
"Dogma i am god"
"Stragey get arts"
"Oh! cet =C3=A9cho"=
***
- - -
jayrope
http://ww= w.kliklak.net

On Nov 8, 2011, at 1:02 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-= delight.com wrote:

From: Rick Walker &l= t;looppool@cruzio.com>
Date: November 8, 2011 12:37:08 AM GMT+01= :00
To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)= " <Loopers-Delight= @loopers-delight.com>
Subje= ct: PALINDROMIC RHYTHMS: 11/11/11 at 11:11 for 11:11 Project


Let's hear it for palindromes!!!!!
<= /blockquote>

Here's one in 11/8 for shits and giggles.

*11/8  ||: &nbs= p;X * X * X * X * X * X :||**
&nb= sp;         1   2 &nb= sp; 3   4   5   a *

This one can= be played as if it is 5 even pulses with a skipping last note.

I c= all this a 'Broken 5 Pulse'...............you count,  "1,2,3,4,5a"
<= /blockquote>


Another cool one:

*= 11/8  ||:  X * X X X * X X X * X :||

*ble   &nb= sp;te-ri-ple   te-ri-ple   dou-

These you can s= ing using the syllables

one   dou-ble   te-ri-p= le,   etc.

When a dou-ble phrase occurs where the downbea= t of the measure is on the 'ble' syllable
I just say   "  uh-one "  instead of 'dou-ble'

Here's another

*11/8  ||:  X * X X * X * X X * X := ||*
     = ;          one   = ;dou-ble  one    dou-ble   uh
=


Have fun!!!

rick


= --Apple-Mail-B0D64B5B-3C88-4A4C-AFF4-52D4E5440571-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 18:23:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59AB2183465; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 18:23:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=hr4h1/zkXYERSJ2EStLXlJ9v/X1e5ATtVUFVM9Abuxk= c=1 sm=0 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=A2bGdCcTAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=oTtuw1C_AAAA:8 a=moHQzHrTeGdDruSGqCcA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=pQ2a0EFxmsAA:10 a=2RbSvV6QyQQKsWX7QHWutw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Re: Palindrom References: <0D005F3B-25A1-43AC-9C32-C93EA845071D@earthwormandfire.com> <4EB902B0.1050700@cruzio.com> From: chaz worm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <4EB902B0.1050700@cruzio.com> Message-Id: <23628548-52C0-423C-AB51-F3829955FECC@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 12:08:10 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A334) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 18:23:09 +0000 (UTC) I play bass. A fun rhythm instrument.=20 I also play (barely) banjo which I STRUGGLE to play any time signature other= than 2/4.=20 I can't even wrap my head around all these 11/13 time signatures.=20 I'll leave that to Bela Fleck and his more talented ensemble.=20 Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo Earth, Worm, &, Fire and Electric Light Opry http://chazworm.com http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm On Nov 8, 2011, at 5:21 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, chaz worm wrote: >> Never odd or even > Oh, I love this one, speaking of odd time signatures. >=20 > This is particularly apropos because if you play a 16th note palindromic r= hythm in an odd time signature > and play a constant 8th note rhythm against it (like playing two bars of 7= /16 against one bar > of contant 8th notes in 7/8) then the first repetition of the rhythm's on= and off beat > relationship will exactly reverse in the second bar): whatever had been a= n 'on-beat' is now and 'off-beat' > and vice versa. >=20 > 7/16 ||: X * X * X * X | X * X * X * X :|| >=20 > now written in one bar of 7/8 =3D >=20 > 7/8 ||: X * X * X * X X * X * X * X :|| >=20 > now adding a constant 8th note 'framing rhythm' =3D >=20 >=20 > 7/8 ||: X * X * X * X X * X * X * X:|| > O O O O O O O > 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 19:08:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68A2718345A; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:08:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 866655.37531.bm@smtp109.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: gLiIlcIVM1khJx_cljn6jF4CAN33g8IBwX0V7vNOkfd0dBF FpiVLLFauSB.aK2qbrUtqK7iVtCrRdCs6EIiOaZD.37yBffomkllPEae7e1P hYsEE6KK1eioZ8WlZi1MwzeoJ4y1Z64n4I8GmPLH__Fy2IQrKA0dGnKcivKL xjbyVWDEiC2JIHvQV4R3djYFmglyzlhjchU.zfr5ekg1Nihom9LbLwG54bSJ RmmZ9hzqkGgdWgQ.UgD2QvU32M.lnCZDJd.6nmexJ.BK9QaRIzq0UIcKu5ae N9qLYf2uLUemmUGKBox7Vaz3xKxmTEJfFfV.rCfrUcPYUi9HcevGP4tbZ_Cr 4_C4mN7ea0BLfAToX3TyWp_K5VEt93FPe6RbPpsVMYsA1GR0_c0OhlIRLUHj LzKwibdYBf96WI.m8J_316ctja0j1fHjKIuAK2CB9VYnuDjg1JeGBKQQdldS g4_ZjSMsBQaB.o2TG3JuPmshGBZaZSBlsr44yzMU78fRlsAcXnw-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F Message-Id: <60F62C13-1D42-4EE4-BEEE-1BC1F2872EE3@carlsonarts.com> From: Michael Carlson Music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:08:47 -0800 References: <4EB60041.2000207@cruzio.com> <784557BFE76242C4A1792A4BADBA5BAC@your0548c161e1> <8CE6C41A25A32C2-167C-129234@webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com> <39C4380B-CA38-400B-8E1F-1F187CC4F950@carlsonarts.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:08:51 +0000 (UTC) Per, Or, didn't someone at the SC loopfest say you can do scripting in Live like in Mobius? Maybe I could create a script to do all those things in Live without boring the audience, for example to extract the first 8th of a measure to capture the syllable I want. But I'm really trying to do everything in Mobius as a standalone because it is so incredibly stable so far in my performances. I am, however, beginning to incorporate my VoiceLive to provide some effects and harmonization so I don't have to build so many layers over time. VoiceLive will give me a full harmonization with up to 5 voices. Mostly, I'm just building the layers two voices at a time, though, like this: http://www.youtube.com/provocals#p/u/2/U08NfEPuz6o You can create a step sequence of harmonies with the VoiceLive, so, I might find a way to just use a step sequence of chords in it, slaved by MIDI somehow to Mobius to change to the next step every measure, and then run the sampled syllables and "oo"s "ah"s and such through the voicelive to create the chord changes every measure! I could use a loop with any sounds at all, on any syllable (even one that isn't tuned or pitched) to create the harmonies, and then capture them in a longer loop. Is creating a MIDI chord sequence beforehand like that "cheating"? Peace, Michael On Nov 8, 2011, at 10:05 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > You can also do it in Live if you don't mind boring the audience some > extra seconds to work on the computer screen; you need to first record > a clip and then go into clip edit mode to set the start point at the > word/syllable you want to play from the keyboard. Then set the clip > launch properties to legato and play ahead. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 19:13:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA00E18345C; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:13:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=c/kJH8ClRTH1eBABvL94UWrcwOhEku5UAWo02QqDAaM=; b=a6lIHFyzEmX9BURLtWUtK2kPJi+12wDdqkGF/cnMCfzNGqn2eqokk8Eu5RroSX1Av1 WY3vSpoylgymTresMHvlL+B1rz9+4SJL97pW45CfAF4iaOdXBAh8/8KB9cPRwhH8T0sr CFCvK5rJulI+ufsaYk4NexoHWl0PPofD3gTGU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <60F62C13-1D42-4EE4-BEEE-1BC1F2872EE3@carlsonarts.com> References: <4EB60041.2000207@cruzio.com> <784557BFE76242C4A1792A4BADBA5BAC@your0548c161e1> <8CE6C41A25A32C2-167C-129234@webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com> <39C4380B-CA38-400B-8E1F-1F187CC4F950@carlsonarts.com> <60F62C13-1D42-4EE4-BEEE-1BC1F2872EE3@carlsonarts.com> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:13:29 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops From: Phil Clevenger To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c1a1c7aa9d404b13df7e7 Resent-Message-ID: <-KH94.A.OSG.b9XuOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:13:31 +0000 (UTC) --0015174c1a1c7aa9d404b13df7e7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 W/R/T taking a one-bar figure and mapping it to actual chord changes... Ableton will allow things like this... Make a one-bar loop of MIDI content (or MIDI-driven samples of audio waveforms - you need lots of samples for this though). Then with the Scale, Chord, and Random MIDI effects you can take that same one-bar figure and remap it on the fly to use the appropriate notes for any of your changes... and using the Random effect you can set it to 'color outside the lines' just enough to stay interesting and not sound so mechanical. Takes a bit to set up the starting conditions, but once done it's super fun, and 'playable'... you can spontaneously generate the first bar, then with the MIDI operators mapped to your controller of choice, make on-the-fly choices as to changes, randomization, etc... so it's not canned, nor is it cheating :) Phil :) On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Michael Carlson Music < music@carlsonarts.com> wrote: > Per, > > Or, didn't someone at the SC loopfest say you can do scripting in Live > like in Mobius? Maybe I could create a script to do all those things in > Live without boring the audience, for example to extract the first 8th of a > measure to capture the syllable I want. > > But I'm really trying to do everything in Mobius as a standalone because > it is so incredibly stable so far in my performances. I am, however, > beginning to incorporate my VoiceLive to provide some effects and > harmonization so I don't have to build so many layers over time. VoiceLive > will give me a full harmonization with up to 5 voices. Mostly, I'm just > building the layers two voices at a time, though, like this: > > http://www.youtube.com/**provocals#p/u/2/U08NfEPuz6o > > You can create a step sequence of harmonies with the VoiceLive, so, I > might find a way to just use a step sequence of chords in it, slaved by > MIDI somehow to Mobius to change to the next step every measure, and then > run the sampled syllables and "oo"s "ah"s and such through the voicelive to > create the chord changes every measure! I could use a loop with any sounds > at all, on any syllable (even one that isn't tuned or pitched) to create > the harmonies, and then capture them in a longer loop. > > Is creating a MIDI chord sequence beforehand like that "cheating"? > > Peace, > Michael > > > > On Nov 8, 2011, at 10:05 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > You can also do it in Live if you don't mind boring the audience some >> extra seconds to work on the computer screen; you need to first record >> a clip and then go into clip edit mode to set the start point at the >> word/syllable you want to play from the keyboard. Then set the clip >> launch properties to legato and play ahead. >> > > --0015174c1a1c7aa9d404b13df7e7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable W/R/T taking a one-bar figure and mapping it to actual chord changes... Abl= eton will allow things like this...

Make a one-bar loop of MIDI cont= ent (or MIDI-driven samples of audio waveforms - you need lots of samples f= or this though).

Then with the Scale, Chord, and Random MIDI effects you can take that s= ame one-bar figure and remap it on the fly to use the appropriate notes for= any of your changes... and using the Random effect you can set it to '= color outside the lines' just enough to stay interesting and not sound = so mechanical. Takes a bit to set up the starting conditions, but once done= it's super fun, and 'playable'... you can spontaneously genera= te the first bar, then with the MIDI operators mapped to your controller of= choice, make on-the-fly choices as to changes, randomization, etc... so it= 's not canned, nor is it cheating :)

Phil :)

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 11:08 = AM, Michael Carlson Music <music@carlsonarts.com> wrote:
Per,

Or, didn't someone at the SC loopfest say you can do scripting in Live = like in Mobius? =A0Maybe I could create a script to do all those things in = Live without boring the audience, for example to extract the first 8th of a= measure to capture the syllable I want.

But I'm really trying to do everything in Mobius as a standalone becaus= e it is so incredibly stable so far in my performances. =A0I am, however, b= eginning to incorporate my VoiceLive to provide some effects and harmonizat= ion so I don't have to build so many layers over time. VoiceLive will g= ive me a full harmonization with up to 5 voices. =A0Mostly, I'm just bu= ilding the layers two voices at a time, though, like this:

http://www.youtube.com/provocals#p/u/2/U08NfEPuz6o

You can create a step sequence of harmonies with the VoiceLive, so, I might= find a way to just use a step sequence of chords in it, slaved by MIDI som= ehow to Mobius to change to the next step every measure, and then run the s= ampled syllables and "oo"s "ah"s and such through the v= oicelive to create the chord changes every measure! I could use a loop with= any sounds at all, on any syllable (even one that isn't tuned or pitch= ed) to create the harmonies, and then capture them in a longer loop.

Is creating a MIDI chord sequence beforehand like that "cheating"= ?

Peace,
Michael



On Nov 8, 2011, at 10:05 AM, Per Boysen wrote:

You can also do it in Live if you don't mind boring the audience some extra seconds to work on the computer screen; you need to first record
a clip and then go into clip edit mode to set the start point at the
word/syllable you want to play from the keyboard. Then set the clip
launch properties to legato and play ahead.


--0015174c1a1c7aa9d404b13df7e7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 19:14:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72A0A18345E; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:14:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_f7ed0f29-360b-4c1e-b42f-cc284b651b94_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:14:35 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,<4EB60041.2000207@cruzio.com>,<784557BFE76242C4A1792A4BADBA5BAC@your0548c161e1>,,,<8CE6C41A25A32C2-167C-129234@webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com>,<39C4380B-CA38-400B-8E1F-1F187CC4F950@carlsonarts.com>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2011 19:14:35.0711 (UTC) FILETIME=[A7379CF0:01CC9E4A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:14:37 +0000 (UTC) --_f7ed0f29-360b-4c1e-b42f-cc284b651b94_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A few comments and perhaps a tip.. > (1) My opinion=2C best on testing this out=2C is that using digital > pitch-shifting to by force make a loop stay the same length when pitch > transposed does not sound good enough. Might work for a "stand-up > comedian looping show" but a lot musicality is simply list in the > time-stretching procedure. Here i think of the iPad app samplewis (http://www.wizdommusic.com/SampleWi= z/index.html) which seems to have a way of pitchshifing and adjusting harmo= nics so that it sounds good..And the octatrack does OK pitchshifting one oc= tave up or down.. and could work for this application - i haven't tried it= with vocals=2C but since can adjust EQ and reverbs and.. a lot of thing it= might work and create some unexpected stuff. It works well enough for guit= ar at least... will try some vocals soon if I find a nice loop.. >=20 >=20 = --_f7ed0f29-360b-4c1e-b42f-cc284b651b94_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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>=3B (1) My opinion=2C= best on testing this out=2C is that using digital
>=3B pitch-shifting= to by force make a loop stay the same length when pitch
>=3B transpos= ed does not sound good enough. Might work for a "stand-up
>=3B comedia= n looping show" but a lot musicality is simply list in the
>=3B time-s= tretching procedure.

Here i think of the iPad app = samplewis (http= ://www.wizdommusic.com/SampleWiz/index.html) which seems to have a way = of pitchshifing and adjusting harmonics so that it sounds good..
= And the octatrack does OK pitchshifting one octave up or down..  =3Band= could work for this application - i haven't tried it with vocals=2C but si= nce can adjust EQ and reverbs and.. a lot of thing it might work and create= some unexpected stuff. It works well enough for guitar at least... will tr= y some vocals soon if I find a nice loop.. =3B
>=3B
>=3B
= --_f7ed0f29-360b-4c1e-b42f-cc284b651b94_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 19:33:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EFF618345F; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:33:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=QpFSM2VQDr6jlswW86Nd2RAQgFWnfHc8IViB9jDYB0A=; b=VopOyEXe0eX3e8Zpv+itoS2GvjxFz5dE9bpCyJIlU0PERwDv6MQwVSp1maXaDPvXpd a6Mtj/PuHcZUZzuYETw+/z8gEcn1CqC+ykTWM20hgyl6bmMcRLNojrchipqgFhDzJVos Wr121fZ5v216JjdtCHwSPhkcGSs4jyd2H/VcY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <60F62C13-1D42-4EE4-BEEE-1BC1F2872EE3@carlsonarts.com> References: <4EB60041.2000207@cruzio.com> <784557BFE76242C4A1792A4BADBA5BAC@your0548c161e1> <8CE6C41A25A32C2-167C-129234@webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com> <39C4380B-CA38-400B-8E1F-1F187CC4F950@carlsonarts.com> <60F62C13-1D42-4EE4-BEEE-1BC1F2872EE3@carlsonarts.com> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:33:22 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:33:22 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Michael Carlson Music wrote: > Maybe I could create a script to do all those things in Live without boring > the audience, for example to extract the first 8th of a measure to capture > the syllable I want. Definitely! In Live you can set up MIDI clips - one shot or looping - that contains MIDI data that is assigned to trigger certain functions in the looper, hosted in Live. That was my preferred audio mangling method before Mobius was available. Then I migrated my processing ideas from Live's control MIDI clips into Mobius scrips. > Is creating a MIDI chord sequence beforehand like that "cheating"? Who cares - you must be joking! Stealing is only cheating if you get caught! Just make your own music with whatever methods that make sense for you. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 19:50:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7F4F18345C; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:50:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=sUVia/InD/7g8guHnyr4D28UIzmWv17a4NSa31er9wk=; b=dp7YPljHF+K+FIiE6aPXBL42VYMAIJyCa7EIAcAp4gWNTFV+yfu/6YzgMdQTnRohN5 IT7x4zUa11oxF1HmBb4A7NGNMQh71LSzo7F1XFFQ9UNRCSaHkKfrUvGqmM3jScbuaU8Q OqpDDwk3EQsXoRaD6Q4dNo56KHN4Ny4lqmbxg= Message-ID: <4EB98815.6070703@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 20:50:45 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: livelooping. organic References: <4EB7F9BE.3090203@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4EB7F9BE.3090203@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:50:47 +0000 (UTC) Dear Rick, you said: > From my experience, though, most are augmenting pre-existing > sequences by adding/subtracting notes > and by switching, in real time, between different tracks that have > been pre-written. Yes, and from my experience, most people who do live-looping (whatever that may be) simply use something like a Boss RC-50, record a track, then record another one, and then have them play while they solo on top of them. And there's very very few that do the odd "EDP gone crazy" schtick so some of us can enjoy it. Of course, most drum machines are not optimized for patterns being programmed from scratch in realtime - that's not the original main use case, and only a few implementations have moved away from that main use case (just as only a few looping devices have moved away from the "one-man-band" use case). Sidenote: the Dave Smith/Roger Linn "Tempest" seems to be in part optimized for doing just that - programming patterns from scratch while performing: http://www.rogerlinndesign.com/products/tempest/index.html I'd actually like to challenge you to try and program drum patterns live, and see where it can take you. In addition to a drum machine which might allow both step editing while the sequencer is running AND pattern sequencing (such as the Quasimidi Sirius), Ableton Live works well for that - during my 2006 tour (including my appearance at your festival), I would sometimes generate a drum beat on the fly by a combo of sequencing a pattern and drawing it in drumroll notation on the screen: http://moinlabs.bandcamp.com/track/i-left-my-pants-in-san-francisco So, summarizing: You're right that only a few people do it. But some do. And you should try that, too ;). Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 20:18:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AA7A18345B; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:18:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=5/oswl8IWmKfdpXx0LW96eXmespt2sL71OHDd21aVxI=; b=lMTLQcr5lr9pAdInYmO2AOWLO5R0dW232t8WrLRjiv8zrlgc7LV1Ol/Yj4evIII15Y PrnMVIRug7hlN1tSkSS/9zdxFzBcQDaBS8N/5L7dd8cCpZ7xGjDxlaUxP40wrof2/mEF cnsTI3rL3fbPy9yPuJ9scWaNB9redtfYthGDA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4EB98815.6070703@googlemail.com> References: <4EB7F9BE.3090203@cruzio.com> <4EB98815.6070703@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 15:18:11 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: livelooping. organic From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340785d03b8604b13ede64 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:18:12 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340785d03b8604b13ede64 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 "sure! if you listen to say Rypdal or Eberhard Weber you do not think of Jazz either if you ever "listen to Jazz" :-)" I could listen to jazz, but I'd rather hear music :) --14dae9340785d03b8604b13ede64 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "sure! if you = listen to say Rypdal or Eberhard Weber you do not think of Jazz either
if you ever "l= isten to Jazz" :-)"


I could listen to jazz, but I'd rather hear music= :)

--14dae9340785d03b8604b13ede64-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 20:31:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 468F618345E; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:31:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=E5012QmenVxmIwpJcVZ2SOAeeJzmrNV3PYYud5v3S5w=; b=ck3bJBfgi5Dw18uJhI80yreFIkn/YdvaBbdOBRcTNREOSo+l/nZpw12N7M2F6a0eKp QxVIA346/ZQduIauB2Q0ygm3fVoM8v80qHvKAEujL8RwrEc/FGQI5rWQxMykp+71uIO2 K1+OPZuPwjieQfl2GvCv/7Lfg729JG5minomk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4EB7F9BE.3090203@cruzio.com> <4EB98815.6070703@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 21:31:34 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: livelooping. organic From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:31:35 +0000 (UTC) > "sure! if you listen to say Rypdal or Eberhard Weber you do not think of > Jazz either > if you ever "listen to Jazz" :-)" On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 9:18 PM, william middlemiss wrote: > > I could listen to jazz, but I'd rather hear music :) Dudes - I know a guy that can listen to music but rather hear NOISE!!! Per ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 20:32:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F42318345A; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:32:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=vgSrNKZPyEc8NTvpRIUX+J8bj2jGZlvqM/MJ7AR/sMI=; b=Zx2TYpx6LwYpkGeuQWzbz0YYeavSZ8NB7pbJoQ4Zn87m0OU+vUb6GDn1oSnrc6AAht H8FfYNE1E49sTQQfVkr0jYyXrv5XE9M1SbY3IBbdEPsskF0XowyGJ2EMn2raVFqQCmSq nm59A7Gs2lldAZKgLIFK0b5ImErXhleMz+T5o= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4EB7F9BE.3090203@cruzio.com> <4EB98815.6070703@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 15:32:39 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: livelooping. organic From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044795058dc3b604b13f1264 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:32:40 +0000 (UTC) --f46d044795058dc3b604b13f1264 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 then go stick your head in a turbofan engine --f46d044795058dc3b604b13f1264 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 then go stick your head in a turbofan engine


--f46d044795058dc3b604b13f1264-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 20:32:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF0E4183473; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:32:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=TNnAzohoIPN9kQXBR8sXVjq8A2Vg4T5hCoylCCfsQw4=; b=Bs+Gm/Q+QMbXB775ke/bCL6gIt+P+/5ujW5B76zzCk6hhtl3yzfUkW7BvX0H2J2BQ6 UsZXaa3VY1OXIuZN/HsLoT2ade30ne6C1He3MIogtCtX/oQzwWJdYyOQcLSrKZTMQ344 j1nP2Zg5ExpEVwT/Z4tIihAnFTrNjzbTzwWy0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <39C4380B-CA38-400B-8E1F-1F187CC4F950@carlsonarts.com> References: <4EB60041.2000207@cruzio.com> <784557BFE76242C4A1792A4BADBA5BAC@your0548c161e1> <8CE6C41A25A32C2-167C-129234@webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com> <39C4380B-CA38-400B-8E1F-1F187CC4F950@carlsonarts.com> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 21:32:27 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: X25Y1Nz5-HQmsDCWdtkuvHd60KQ Message-ID: Subject: Re: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3011d907251b6704b13f13a5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:32:50 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3011d907251b6704b13f13a5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Michael Carlson Music wrote: > Since my looping has been primarily based on narrative lyrical songs > > I'm trying to envision a way to create short, one-measure loops that can > accompany vocal melodies similar to how an arranger keyboard uses "styles= ." > > Umm.. Im not totally sure if Im getting you correctly, but maybe you are talking about a technique, that I sometimes do as an encore (ha ha) at my local caf=E9. But is pretty tricky to pull off.. I just have a pretty regular 4 bar riff (a "turnaround" kinda thing if thats the correct term) and, cos my EDP RECORD button is right next to the er NEXT loop button.. I do this: REC NEXT NEXT NEXT NEXT as I play, Rec on first note NEXT on second.etc I have MORE LOOPS set to 4 and SOUND copy to OFF, Oh and Auto Record ON! Then I get (If lucky- takes some practice) one chord PER loop... (I have to admit its more like 4 chord hits before a chord change, 16 hits, 4 per loop) So now I can double stamp NEXT to jump the next loop, and therfore play a new chord sequnce.. If you are real quick, you can hit NEXT 3 times on every loop, and reverse the chord sequence.. The fun part is now to overdub onto thses bits and then the chord chnages sound real nice. One little trick is to step thru the chords turning OVERDUB ON, and then solo, while stepping through the loops. after about 3 times round, you have enough stuff, and can start playing the loops in different orders.. and just play over the top.. Its pretty fun.. But mayeb not a technique you would wanna use to put together a Looping "Hey Jude" or a looping "When the Levee breaks"? And all this is possible on Mobius too.. --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf3011d907251b6704b13f13a5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Michael Carl= son Music <mu= sic@carlsonarts.com> wrote:
Since my looping has been primarily bas= ed on narrative lyrical songs=A0
<snip>
I'm trying to envision a way to = create short, one-measure loops that can accompany vocal melodies similar t= o how an arranger keyboard uses "styles."

Umm.. Im n= ot totally sure if Im getting you correctly, but maybe you are talking abou= t a technique, that I sometimes do as an encore (ha ha) at my local caf=E9.=
But is pretty tricky to pull off..
I just have a pretty regular 4 bar ri= ff (a "turnaround" kinda thing if thats the correct term) and, co= s my EDP RECORD button is right next to the er NEXT loop button.. I do this= :

REC NEXT NEXT NEXT NEXT as I play,
Rec on first note NEXT on second= .etc

I have MORE LOOPS set to 4 and SOUND copy to OFF, Oh and Auto R= ecord ON!

Then I get (If lucky- takes some practice) one chord PER l= oop... (I have to admit its more like 4 chord hits before a chord change, 1= 6 hits, 4 per loop) So now I can double stamp NEXT to jump the next loop, a= nd therfore play a new chord sequnce.. If you are real quick, you can hit N= EXT 3 times=A0 on every loop, and reverse the chord sequence..=A0 The fun p= art is now to overdub onto thses bits and then the chord chnages sound real= nice.

One little trick is to step thru the chords turning OVERDUB ON, and the= n solo, while stepping through the loops. after about 3 times round, you ha= ve enough stuff, and can start playing the loops in different orders.. and = just play over the top..
Its pretty fun..
But mayeb not a technique you would wanna use to put to= gether a Looping "Hey Jude" or a looping "When the Levee bre= aks"?

And all this is possible on Mobius too..


=A0



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--20cf3011d907251b6704b13f13a5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 20:33:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D126183460; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:33:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=vGVuBa7SzCpB6e9h5ZLXc2x3U9R7t7RLnMgSgjHaqxw=; b=Ol00JQSYWvGkKPN9fOxxZGyLRe7S52RMsGZWsTseTea3bQ0bTWzhwCckKeL1BAhFcQ Qt/nROmRKHDw80oO1R/8lor+G9zv55vr+Z0PEIKkPCp7ZfeT6nfroMBpmXnHzj2K1nZD p3XV90QocdNuaqnFRkhHZzKPxvuKY5x4xz148= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4EB7F9BE.3090203@cruzio.com> <4EB98815.6070703@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 15:33:44 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: livelooping. organic From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0447950572647504b13f1674 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:33:45 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0447950572647504b13f1674 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 (yes, there was humor behind that, but it was *considered* humor) --f46d0447950572647504b13f1674 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 (yes, there was humor behind that, but it was considered humor)


--f46d0447950572647504b13f1674-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 20:36:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0507C18345C; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:36:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=Iklapl9zkAuvk78WF66oDF1A6j54vHCeoZ5gLbmDM3Y=; b=bUvg6I30W/8dvvHD71ut8j8cXdRWlT+YXJ7ECbV/1V0V6v7fBXivVrw88YW0BfliWA MFLQkvDWWqH/LMiY30SihfpzDf4kxbz7dEXTRYoeSaVUKaMDE/jfAQ3H6Msr+n1GuAA+ 22P9QphDpQ4YNj7qKGOOJx9eusnuuF0WNnkQg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <4EB7F9BE.3090203@cruzio.com> <4EB98815.6070703@googlemail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 21:35:31 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: s2V4Uxp6aqLz8J-IaRpHsTvHyPg Message-ID: Subject: Re: livelooping. organic To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30549cedd8204404b13f1f5b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:36:22 +0000 (UTC) --20cf30549cedd8204404b13f1f5b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 9:31 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Dudes - I know a guy that can listen to music but rather hear NOISE!!! Its alright Per, you can say my name... -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf30549cedd8204404b13f1f5b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 9:31 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
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Dudes - I know a guy that can listen to music but rather hear NOISE!!!

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--20cf30549cedd8204404b13f1f5b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 20:46:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39B1E183454; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:46:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=JfLNDWQKdmQOsLdB/hXVK/wpZkfmg09zZ6NmgAitV70=; b=Re8wgN4ozLJMqy+QeSMa9tSi9k7mwkgDEg8gtfIQ4OYRTopzJ2xXZ0+x07PVlcJf2e arc6wijH96E7vwlZg8paXxCZaZHfap3Tz3VwD13SmENxzd9nEI0jZ3GOsGrqKIe+duy5 2Yrr17pSUChn3l1jmmoIXLpNTJ5ATYHtwrusc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4EB7F9BE.3090203@cruzio.com> <4EB98815.6070703@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 15:46:12 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: livelooping. organic From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f23545d08b98e04b13f43d2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:46:13 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f23545d08b98e04b13f43d2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 You know, sometimes it can't be helped. --e89a8f23545d08b98e04b13f43d2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

You know, sometimes it can't be helped.
--e89a8f23545d08b98e04b13f43d2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 20:56:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F022183464; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:56:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=XhOLrK8deFFOOAHvQTyK61lG1VZS6aPQnVf3ld/2wYw=; b=cx+U3cRNnafCz1RuF4/LDfWNrbwG26oJnwKFnfxzAOkqE2OP/rN/mAbxoay3r0Mpxr 86gHTsPQ1ZZowK7jzdqF0icwy+eUZRE11mweVwYZjSVEA8VfugcT31cTGzKswxalmpvr R7Ia46JFt6/aip3QV8Cairz9ai6WhhIojDHu8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4EB7F9BE.3090203@cruzio.com> <4EB98815.6070703@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 21:56:51 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: livelooping. organic From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:56:52 +0000 (UTC) > On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 9:31 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> Dudes - I know a guy that can listen to music but rather hear NOISE!!! On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 9:35 PM, mark francombe wrote: > > Its alright Per, you can say my name... Actually I wasn't thinking about you, Mark. So, well... maybe I know two guys then... ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 21:39:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B99A9183460; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 21:39:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_c1f281c8-c367-4cb8-977b-43172ed89dca_" X-Originating-IP: [178.78.79.103] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: livelooping. organic Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 21:39:40 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4EB98815.6070703@googlemail.com> References: <4EB7F9BE.3090203@cruzio.com>,<4EB98815.6070703@googlemail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2011 21:39:41.0354 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC2F50A0:01CC9E5E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 21:39:42 +0000 (UTC) --_c1f281c8-c367-4cb8-977b-43172ed89dca_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From my experiance I can vouch for the following =20 Korg ESX / EMX .... PERFECT to use live in realtime...the only thing you ca= nt do live is deep pattern editing and recording and adding that content in= to a loop...however it is quick enough to do that whilst " offline"..ive do= ne gigs where I sample a single word "Rhubarb" or something=2C and then qui= ckly assign that as the sole element to all drum tracks and the 2 keyboard = pitched tracks assigned to a scale on the arp...you can then create everyth= ing you need through the start and end point knobs and ptch and modulation = routings.... best part is having motion sequences all over the shop..on the= parts them selves =2C on the effects three fx routings plus busses...its i= nsane...if this had an electron badge it would be over a grand easy. =20 Korg ER ii..... this was what i graduated off=2C it can be played live off = its buttons but even better off a trigger pad such as a handsonic...its muc= h simpler then the ESX but it has that virtual analog thing going on so its= very versatile for non-human drumming styles. switching between record and= play is easy and whilst you cans store creations whilst it is running like= you can on the ESX =2C you can move to a new blank patch..therefore if you= chain many blank patches together it is ripe for building a beat=2C then c= ompletly abandoning it and moving to a fresh patch then creating something = new with new sounds etc ....again all live and in realtime. =20 EMU command Station....... wow this is the most over specced beast ever....= again its almost TOO powerful to understand...but if you trim away and disa= ble all the stuff you dont need=2C write yourself some blank patched with c= ommon values such as 4 bars=2C bars 16 bars 32 bars.... you can use these = as a time base to fill in up to 16 tracks of sounds...the logic behind thei= r approach to drums is momumentally counter intuative..but for melodic inst= ruments you can have a whole host of sounds that can be input live through = either the onboard pads=2C external controllers or by turning on the steps = live and then tuning them in a separate step..again all whilst running. CONVERSELY =20 The MC series are counter intuative and not useful for live from scratch mu= sic creaton...they are definatly more aimed at the " build before remix liv= e " brigade. =20 talking of remix...there is the Yamaha Rem1x...supposedly it is built for l= ive use..but i just cant seem to get to grips with it=2C again i think it m= ight be using a differant interpretation of live to me. =20 finally there is the Tenori-on =2C its a real marmite product=2C i personal= ly LOVE it...I have just filmed the first of a few guides to using it for y= outube=2C i will give you a shout when i have that up on line if you would= be interested. =20 in the meantime=2C I would say give it a go if you have access to the tools= ...its imense fun and the possibilities for not just building a piece but b= uilding then dropping some parts then changing others then adding in some m= ore sounds then replacing tiny fragments...its a really good way to play. =20 Phill MyOneManBand =20 www.youtube.com/phillwilson=20 > Date: Tue=2C 8 Nov 2011 20:50:45 +0100 > From: moinsound@googlemail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: livelooping. organic >=20 > Dear Rick=2C >=20 > you said: > > From my experience=2C though=2C most are augmenting pre-existing=20 > > sequences by adding/subtracting notes > > and by switching=2C in real time=2C between different tracks that have= =20 > > been pre-written. > Yes=2C and from my experience=2C most people who do live-looping (whateve= r=20 > that may be) simply use something like a Boss RC-50=2C record a track=2C= =20 > then record another one=2C and then have them play while they solo on top= =20 > of them. And there's very very few that do the odd "EDP gone crazy"=20 > schtick so some of us can enjoy it. >=20 > Of course=2C most drum machines are not optimized for patterns being=20 > programmed from scratch in realtime - that's not the original main use=20 > case=2C and only a few implementations have moved away from that main use= =20 > case (just as only a few looping devices have moved away from the=20 > "one-man-band" use case). > Sidenote: the Dave Smith/Roger Linn "Tempest" seems to be in part=20 > optimized for doing just that - programming patterns from scratch while=20 > performing: > http://www.rogerlinndesign.com/products/tempest/index.html >=20 > I'd actually like to challenge you to try and program drum patterns=20 > live=2C and see where it can take you. In addition to a drum machine whic= h=20 > might allow both step editing while the sequencer is running AND pattern= =20 > sequencing (such as the Quasimidi Sirius)=2C Ableton Live works well for= =20 > that - during my 2006 tour (including my appearance at your festival)=2C = I=20 > would sometimes generate a drum beat on the fly by a combo of sequencing= =20 > a pattern and drawing it in drumroll notation on the screen: > http://moinlabs.bandcamp.com/track/i-left-my-pants-in-san-francisco >=20 > So=2C summarizing: > You're right that only a few people do it. But some do. And you should=20 > try that=2C too =3B). >=20 > Rainer >=20 > --=20 > http://moinlabs.de > Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs >=20 = --_c1f281c8-c367-4cb8-977b-43172ed89dca_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Korg ESX =3B/ EMX =3B.... =3BPERFECT to use live in realtime...= the only thing you cant do live is deep pattern editing and recording and&n= bsp=3Badding that content into a loop...however it is quick enough to do th= at whilst " offline"..ive done gigs where I sample a single word "Rhubarb" = or something=2C =3Band then quickly assign that as the sole element to = all drum tracks and =3Bthe 2 keyboard pitched tracks assigned to a scal= e on the arp...you can then create everything you need through the start an= d end point knobs and ptch and modulation routings.... best part is having = motion sequences all over the shop..on the parts them selves =2C on =3B= the effects three fx routings plus busses...its insane...if this had an ele= ctron badge it would be over a grand easy.
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Korg ER ii..... this was what i graduated off=2C it can be played live off = its buttons but even better off a trigger pad such as a handsonic...its muc= h simpler then the ESX but it has that virtual analog thing going on so its= very versatile for non-human drumming styles. switching between record and= play is easy and whilst you cans store creations whilst it is running like= you can on the ESX =2C you can move to a new blank patch..therefore if you= chain many blank patches together it is ripe for building a beat=2C then c= ompletly abandoning it and moving to a fresh patch then creating something = new with new sounds etc ....again all live and in realtime.
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EMU command Station....... wow this is the most over specced beast ever....= again its almost TOO powerful to understand...but if you trim away and disa= ble all the stuff you dont need=2C write yourself some blank patched with c= ommon values such as 4 bars=2C =3B bars 16 bars 32 bars.... you can use= these as a time base to fill in up to 16 tracks of sounds...the logic behi= nd their approach to drums is momumentally counter intuative..but for melod= ic instruments you can have a whole host of sounds that can be =3Binput= live through either the onboard pads=2C external controllers or by turning= on the steps live and then tuning them in =3B a separate step..again a= ll whilst running.

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finally there is the Tenori-on =2C =3Bits a real marmite product=2C i p= ersonally LOVE it...I have just filmed =3Bthe first =3Bof a few gui= des to using it for youtube=2C i will give you =3B a shout when i have = that up on line if you =3Bwould be interested.
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>=3B Date: Tue=2C 8 Nov 2011 20:50:45 +0100
>=3B From: moinsound@goo= glemail.com
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B Sub= ject: Re: livelooping. organic
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>=3B Dear Rick=2C
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>=3B you said:
>=3B >=3B From my experience=2C though=2C most = are augmenting pre-existing
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>=3B >=3B and by switching=2C in real time=2C between diffe= rent tracks that have
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>=3B =
>=3B Of course=2C most drum machines are not optimized for patterns b= eing
>=3B programmed from scratch in realtime - that's not the origin= al main use
>=3B case=2C and only a few implementations have moved aw= ay from that main use
>=3B case (just as only a few looping devices h= ave moved away from the
>=3B "one-man-band" use case).
>=3B Side= note: the Dave Smith/Roger Linn "Tempest" seems to be in part
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>=3B http://www.rogerlinndesign.com/products/tempest= /index.html
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>=3B I'd actually like to challenge you to try = and program drum patterns
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>=3B might allow both step editi= ng while the sequencer is running AND pattern
>=3B sequencing (such a= s the Quasimidi Sirius)=2C Ableton Live works well for
>=3B that - du= ring my 2006 tour (including my appearance at your festival)=2C I
>= =3B would sometimes generate a drum beat on the fly by a combo of sequencin= g
>=3B a pattern and drawing it in drumroll notation on the screen:>=3B http://moinlabs.bandcamp.com/track/i-left-my-pants-in-san-francisc= o
>=3B
>=3B So=2C summarizing:
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>=3B
>=3B Rainer
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>=3B --
>=3B http:/= /moinlabs.de
>=3B Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs>=3B
= --_c1f281c8-c367-4cb8-977b-43172ed89dca_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 22:40:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D40D518345F; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 22:40:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EB9AFC8.2060900@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 14:40:08 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Carlson Music CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops References: <39C4380B-CA38-400B-8E1F-1F187CC4F950@carlsonarts.com> In-Reply-To: <39C4380B-CA38-400B-8E1F-1F187CC4F950@carlsonarts.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 22:40:16 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Michael Carlson Music wrote: > > I think some kind of combination of sampling, looping, and > voice-to-MIDI will allow me to become the whole band and sing whatever > song I want in my own a cappella style. > > Does this sound crazy? Not at all, I think it's imminently doable. You might look into finding a used LP-1 for the creation of your different chord schemes..... It's ability to record loops on the fly that have different lengths (by changing the master track status) could let you do this. That's the best solution to the changing chord stuctures in hardware although a similar thing can be done with a use EDP (which I have a pristine one for sale) with it's use of linear single loops (moreLoops) This can also be done handily in software, though I'm not the one to advise you about it's particular solution. The creation of samples on the fly that can immediately be mapped to a keyboard is something I've wanted to do as well. I know that the MPC paradigm of Akai Sample Work stations allows for the retriggering of samples but I've never owned on and don't know if it can be done in real time. We have talked about adding a lot more functionality and control to the 'Q' concept in the LP-1 but all the delays on the LP-2 this year have decidedly back burnered any new work on that. Once the LP-2 is out, I think we may begin working on this. I'd love to be able to have a hardware looper that can manipulate and slice of real time loops (in much the same way that many new software solutions allow for the immediate slicing of loops using individual transients as a guide and the immediate mapping of such slices to midi notes for retriggering and even rhythmic retriggering ala the MPC approach. I know that Expert Sleepers, "Crossfade Loop Synth" in software allows for some powerful real time manipulation of loops http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/xfadelooper.html Michael Peters on this loop has a lot of experience using this live and I though it is on my list of things to do and learn this year, I haven't learned it yet. You might look into it. Also, I'm not sure how powerful the scripting possibilities of Mobius are in software but Jeff Larson, Per Boysen or several other people might be able to advise you about using that solution to accomplish what you want. I think definitely, you'll probably need at least a couple of software/hardware solutions to accomplish everything you envision. The only drawback is that it's going to take you time even if you have software/hardware that will accomplish your task to set up a song in real time in front of an audience. Martin Simpson completely retunes his guitar between every single song in concert.....something that would be considered to be perilously slow to accomplish in a live show but he pulls it off by being a good showman and excellent story teller who can be entertaing as he's actually setting up his next song. You might be able to do something similar........work out a way of being entertaining as you set up all your chord structures and individual 'beatbox' vocal syllables for retriggering...............or you could do it all ahead of the game. It will come off less spontaneous, imho, if you choose the latter. Good luck, it's a very creative and ambitious show you are preparing. I can't wait to see you perform it at next years festival. rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 22:55:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14AF118345B; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 22:55:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=V9WRtjV8LoBnZ4QAD+OrcdsGuXKarGqCiL22QgOukyA=; b=ATMkDW5Apwd7yJQxeg0OerIJGj4yYODK2QMrRM7YoLlfBt+9vGEv1O8ZmyL6n0q+Xp Nm/O3PEMtQmZLSO2rbUovT/DpEGzfwRnwa/VXfQVwqzOp5ICLrX6t6EnFHGp77mHFbja HnYcJEYCCXF0p1Q4pQMMijRcVkdLcmRGB+3o0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4EB9AFC8.2060900@cruzio.com> References: <39C4380B-CA38-400B-8E1F-1F187CC4F950@carlsonarts.com> <4EB9AFC8.2060900@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 16:55:34 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Live Looping versus using Pre-Recorded Loops From: marcus kirby To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 22:55:35 +0000 (UTC) I sold my EDPs and have now moved to a laptop. This allows me to have scenes set up in ableton. Each scene sends different midi program/cc/pattern changes to the drum machine, bass synth, and pedals. Working this way has changed the way I view live looping and live song creation. At this point, I have stopped caring about only using hardware / being a purist. I absolutely refuse to sell my pedals and tube amp (sound quality), but I'm done with self-imposed limits that get in the way of creating music. Most people don't care what technology is used. It's really about the performance and the quality of the song/arrangement. I can't play drums or bass synth while doing guitar stuff, so I have accepted that I'll have to trigger a bass sequence or drum pattern. This doesn't mean I will only do that, but it's useful if the drums and guitar start together. If the guitar loop is running and I have the time, I'll definitely lay down some bass synth, loop it, then start going crazy on the trigger finger. So...I like having options. I can play it live and loop it if I want to, or I can trigger parts. Which loop is more significant / important to the song? I'll play that one live and trigger the auxiliary stuff. On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Michael Carlson Music wrote: >> >> I think some kind of combination of sampling, looping, and voice-to-MIDI >> will allow me to become the whole band and sing whatever song I want in = my >> own a cappella style. >> >> Does this sound crazy? > > Not at all, =A0I think it's imminently doable. > > You might look into finding a used LP-1 for the creation of your differen= t > chord schemes..... > It's ability to record loops on the fly that have different lengths (by > changing the master track status) > could let you do this. > That's the best solution > to the changing chord stuctures in hardware although a similar thing can = be > done with a use EDP (which I have a pristine one for sale) with it's use = of > linear single loops (moreLoops) > > This can also be done handily in software, though I'm not the one to advi= se > you about it's particular solution. > > The creation of samples on the fly that can immediately be mapped to a > keyboard is something I've wanted to do > as well. > > I know that the MPC paradigm of Akai Sample Work stations allows for the > retriggering of samples but I've never owned > on and don't know if it can be done in real time. > > We have talked about adding a lot more functionality and control to the '= Q' > concept in the LP-1 but > all the delays on the LP-2 this year have decidedly back burnered any new > work on that. > Once the LP-2 is out, I think we may begin working on this. > > I'd love to be able to have a hardware looper that can manipulate and sli= ce > of real time loops (in much the same way > that many new software solutions allow for the immediate slicing of loops > using individual transients as a guide > and the immediate mapping of such slices to midi notes for retriggering a= nd > even rhythmic retriggering ala > the MPC approach. > > I know that Expert Sleepers, "Crossfade Loop Synth" =A0 in software allow= s for > some powerful real time > manipulation of loops > > http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/xfadelooper.html > > Michael Peters on this loop has a lot of experience using this live and I > though it is on my list of things to do and learn this year, =A0I haven't > learned it yet. =A0 You might look into it. > > Also, =A0 I'm not sure how powerful the scripting possibilities of Mobius= are > in software but Jeff Larson, Per Boysen or several other people might be > able to advise you about using that solution to accomplish what you want. > > I think definitely, =A0you'll probably need at least a couple of > software/hardware solutions to accomplish everything you envision. > > The only drawback is that it's going to take you time even if you have > software/hardware that will accomplish your task to set up a song in real > time in front of an audience. > > Martin Simpson completely retunes his guitar between every single song in > concert.....something that would be considered to be perilously slow to > accomplish in a live show but he pulls it off by being a good showman and > excellent story teller who can be entertaing as he's actually setting up = his > next song. > > You might be able to do something similar........work out a way of being > entertaining as you set up all your chord > structures and individual 'beatbox' vocal syllables for > retriggering...............or you could do it all > ahead of the game. =A0 =A0 It will come off less spontaneous, imho, if yo= u > choose the latter. > > Good luck, =A0it's a very creative and ambitious show you are preparing. > I can't wait to see you perform it at next years festival. > > rick walker > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 23:08:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A42D18345B; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 23:08:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gkR/2KW9nYd495yC01taO/zKBE8ku1vEyT55mPIkzW4=; b=w1W/3Km8PimFd0XDJ7cyTV8am9hKnjWJlHzT47OTDkhW6m6gxZ89metMGP7xSp1djo NfN8U6sNpsvip+6th2B2MVch1DwkaD6iyALV/+j39hs1B+BHhiRA+xmhw+tvzsGCielE UzEj0sbEzhRTHLFAqqjVvZVhIrF1kB37IM21Y= Message-ID: <4EB9B66F.2030104@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 00:08:31 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: livelooping. organic References: <4EB7F9BE.3090203@cruzio.com>,<4EB98815.6070703@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 23:08:33 +0000 (UTC) Hi Phil, some comments/questions below: > Korg ESX / EMX .... PERFECT to use live in realtime...the only thing > you cant do live is deep pattern editing and recording and adding that > content into a loop...however it is Is my understanding correct that the ESX/EMX is the second generation in the "Electribe" product line, of which the ES-1 and ER-1 (?) were the first generation? And the ESX is sampler-based, while the EMX is synthesizer-based? > EMU command Station....... wow this is the most over specced beast > ever....again its almost TOO powerful to understand...but if you trim > away and disable all the stuff you dont need, write yourself some > blank patched with common values such as 4 bars, bars 16 bars 32 > bars.... you can use these as a time base to fill in up to 16 tracks > of sounds...the logic behind their approach to drums is momumentally > counter intuative..but for melodic instruments you can have a whole > host of sounds that can be input live through either the onboard pads, > external controllers or by turning on the steps live and then tuning > them in a separate step..again all whilst running. Heard a lot of good things about the E-mu already. By "counter-intuitive", do you mean it doesn't work to program drums, or it just takes some time to get used to it? I don't understand your description after "a whole host of sounds" - can you be more specific? > The MC series are counter intuative and not useful for live from > scratch music creaton...they are definatly more aimed at the " build > before remix live " brigade. Agree. I have a MC505 myself, which, in many respects, is a cool thing, but I can't even remember how to program/record new patterns, because I never really used it. Their workflow to remix/combine different multi--part patterns is cool, though. > in the meantime, I would say give it a go if you have access to the > tools...its imense fun and the possibilities for not just building a > piece but building then dropping some parts then changing others then > adding in some more sounds then replacing tiny fragments...its a > really good way to play. Yup, also an important aspect - fun! And different than audio-looping tools (unless you play your instrument and your effects and your looper really really well), the approach is much more microsurgery-like. -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 01:32:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99B4518345C; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 01:32:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 217429.23207.bm@omp1046.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1320802354; bh=v5xnTkyrvIjCMAFkwDlhjN9OZKm3sKbouPWNZg4Aay4=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DCEqrwj1kLjsQE9k/stCuAyNs6VCvxaw3iRk4krR9KXKmRHJeKXvrKvzcFT9pkAG96sMSTpSmwY97mznelFpad2f7n1N1OFqiSQOw04T8QupdHlyPW2ZnUVuzuRf3IxfTxiZCwethMkqc8Kdkv3HL5nxpnXVDSkaB0U+OzK7nbA= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tUgaL2cUieSJbQ33PPWGIxpW4Np89cFUyOYfWAPZGfrH8+cpw7SYKep9wUmhxYLWXgGL4hhV/TXSPalhSuey50kBDYVDsI6dOXHcgJb4FhDAd4UTlC04ILHar7BJ632zdW1sYV5mAcqLSbDzQggD4ZQSbTqVPKckUusWOt8J3lw=; X-YMail-OSG: POCOEAcVM1lXC8uHjALbv2dg56P46_pa7sxZ0Y4SjQR37JK Ag9qEw5PP_RsZUC3Q.DuU57nLl5pa_EfhkBSG8anewUb87u2Y5QCXH4N7Yi2 DClzGEk4AzCU76Y8t.e.px4LFn_yovQwRjR8z_xCtD.QyEYaC6jS.RAKv0xr rMjaZ37Rolnx75PZCxvRCCckaVrPY7bnRygyXZJD3cg4G9wYAjl8wiiwVfNY wVUdjxmKjo.FBPH8uSXuSUjd.tHJD2RSr_PF1opjIQNYE0Ig_J8Ua04mimnD DZbz7FEU4d0ZC0fA6qO0fyDaUhTs1WiBxyncT5RlgzWAljd7Zm0WCXEt9u1U H4Bzxb8H5tOnzd9K9kYAO62JdtKnDdj_szCgxfZoYL_s5dfkMWE4F3aktLH6 LGr2SK5Cs6onrRmBdTmGGUq9LsvklzSsdZbvLsSBGAj1iKoi2B3mMNbjkNu5 aRW4ObyloQtah9lnSwgMSPTJmx_FpdZfxq9a50ZMjWieHX0BTr_LejUMp6hP HGyF8.OcW5or1M1oKhKQjQ3d5IWsucxnNC58y5GTk0wdy2TRh2yNMdNeuudX rD1rC9t6zio9TzE9EoR1VGEQj5o4unQ61vMTxoG_NsEsjr5uMCA_dZJDwQMb 4bKc1 X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.325013 References: <4EB7F9BE.3090203@cruzio.com>,<4EB98815.6070703@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <1320802354.95175.YahooMailNeo@web38405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 17:32:34 -0800 (PST) From: Elmer Fuddski Reply-To: Elmer Fuddski Subject: Steve Jobs To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="412410144-1404153973-1320802354=:95175" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 01:32:36 +0000 (UTC) --412410144-1404153973-1320802354=:95175 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.beggarscanbechoosers.com/2011/10/steve-jobs-represented-much-of-= whats.html=0A=A0=0AHmm...another viewpoint on Mr. Jobs that might make some= less misty-eyed. --412410144-1404153973-1320802354=:95175 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
= Hmm...another viewpoint on Mr. Jobs that might make some less misty-e= yed.

 
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--412410144-1404153973-1320802354=:95175-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 01:52:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5002918345E; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 01:52:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=jqzb29JPnvrz4yQ/6KE4xZxkaIyuLTPyjuoS9ctcMGU=; b=FmpNYuIdc6zIyjaqCtY31PB+YyNF8brVkjQy3HmS+MA+xY4aVCofdRrRtJG+ebSuNr PYy/f2ghpjzyDOIu4hgbqtmktkxO9uwEpyz97m3n8FYiHK9JbA7hJhwuo8G9syPmILu4 TUJY30BamEruQEvndtuFZFKaYZC4d9+uF1TVo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4EB7F9BE.3090203@cruzio.com> <4EB98815.6070703@googlemail.com> <1320802354.95175.YahooMailNeo@web38405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:52:43 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Fwd: Steve Jobs From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae934078532a9e704b1438b92 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 01:52:44 +0000 (UTC) --14dae934078532a9e704b1438b92 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: william middlemiss Date: Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 8:48 PM Subject: Re: Steve Jobs To: Elmer Fuddski The bubble's going to burst, and Ill tell you why: 1)The first to run out and get new Iphones were college students, most companies are hiring from inside, or competitors. When these college students get into the workforce, they are going to be unemployed for a long time. 2)The average computer user has no use for upgrades, or hardware with capacities beyond a certain point. Passed this point (a level which current computers are currently at,) there is a significantly lower ROI than previously before. As in: consumers wont have a need for new hardware at the previous levels. Which leads me to 3) Most of the operating systems out there could be streamlined to run on less CPU, as for years, main components of both Microsoft's and Apple's OSs were built on previous code, then added features are integrated into code that exists. Its only a matter of time before all of this is streamlined. At which point the headroom requirements for most tasks will fall. 4)We can already record massive number of tasks on a new IMac, how much more do we need. Yes, most people dont need HD video processing 5) the computing structure is making a shift to 'cloud' computing, which apple has overlooked/been behind on for years Maybe Im wrong, and the company will put out a massive TV that will revolutionize everything, but the used market is going to blossom with Apple products over the next few years. Their only hope is adjusting their price points before disgruntled workers pull a mutiny as their patents run out. Discuss? > > --14dae934078532a9e704b1438b92 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

---------- Forwarded message ----------<= br>From: william middlemiss <billymiddlemiss@gmail= .com>
Date: Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: Steve Jobs
To: Elmer F= uddski <jakebrakesrule@yahoo= .com>


The bubble's going to burst, and Ill tell you w= hy:

1)The first to run out and get new Iphones were college stud= ents, most companies are hiring from inside, or competitors. When these col= lege students get into the workforce, they are going to be unemployed for a= long time.=A0

2)The average computer user has no use for upgrades, or= hardware with capacities beyond a certain point. Passed this point (a leve= l which current computers are currently at,) there is a significantly lower= ROI than previously before. As in: consumers wont have a need for new hard= ware at the previous levels. Which leads me to=A0

3) Most of the operating systems out there could be str= eamlined to run on less CPU, as for years, main components of both Microsof= t's and Apple's OSs were built on previous code, then added feature= s are integrated into code that exists. Its only a matter of time before al= l of this is streamlined. At which point the headroom requirements for most= tasks will fall.=A0

4)We can already record massive number of tasks on a ne= w IMac, how much more do we need. Yes, most people dont need HD video proce= ssing

5) the computing structure is making a shift= to 'cloud' computing, which apple has overlooked/been behind on fo= r years=A0

Maybe Im wrong, and the company will put out a massive = TV that will revolutionize everything, but the used market is going to blos= som with Apple products over the next few years. Their only hope is adjusti= ng their price points before disgruntled workers pull a mutiny as their pat= ents run out.=A0

Discuss? =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0



--14dae934078532a9e704b1438b92-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 02:05:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58BD018345D; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 02:05:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EB9DFD3.8080601@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 18:05:07 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: phillip wilson CC: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: livelooping. organic References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 02:05:14 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, phillip wilson wrote: > Korg ESX / EMX .... PERFECT to use live in realtime... > > Korg ER ii..... this was what i graduated off, it can be played live > off its buttons but even better off a trigger pad such as a > handsonic..patch then creating something new with new sounds etc > ....again all live and in realtime. > > EMU command Station.................. All this sounds fantastic, Phillip. Would you be into making some short vids to demonstrate what you can do in real time with these instruments? Not the typical stuff, but the approach you suggested to Craig for is vocal project. I'm really intrigued. one quick question........which of these devices does real time sample/playback/manipulation? I'm assuming the Korg ER and Emu Command Station don't. thanks for all the in depth posts, by the way. this is a world I've never investigated but it fascinates me. rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 02:06:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55892183452; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 02:06:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EB9E027.8090101@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 18:06:31 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: phillip wilson CC: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: livelooping. organic References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 02:06:37 +0000 (UTC) Oooops, I meant Michael Carson not Craig. r. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 05:20:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3393D183453; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 05:20:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=hr4h1/zkXYERSJ2EStLXlJ9v/X1e5ATtVUFVM9Abuxk= c=1 sm=0 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=A2bGdCcTAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=7hGQmf5iDd6tKuAiLTAA:9 a=MjWaGvZNGT53Uu173EkA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=BsKNWlG5Y8HXE5hzJbsA:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=PCIXu9QagVMsmNBKxBkQ4Q==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Re: Steve Jobs References: <4EB7F9BE.3090203@cruzio.com> <4EB98815.6070703@googlemail.com> <1320802354.95175.YahooMailNeo@web38405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: chaz worm Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-CCA98933-835E-4849-BFC1-C893B16D761F X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A334) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 00:20:41 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 05:20:44 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-CCA98933-835E-4849-BFC1-C893B16D761F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ditto.=20 Honestly I whole heartedly agree. I'm currently rebuilding my 32gb 3GS iPhon= e again.=20 It's good enough. Probably too good. I'm use to crap.=20 Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo Earth, Worm, &, Fire and Electric Light Opry http://chazworm.com http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:52 PM, william middlemiss w= rote: >=20 >=20 > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: william middlemiss > Date: Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 8:48 PM > Subject: Re: Steve Jobs > To: Elmer Fuddski >=20 >=20 > The bubble's going to burst, and Ill tell you why: >=20 > 1)The first to run out and get new Iphones were college students, most com= panies are hiring from inside, or competitors. When these college students g= et into the workforce, they are going to be unemployed for a long time.=20 >=20 > 2)The average computer user has no use for upgrades, or hardware with capa= cities beyond a certain point. Passed this point (a level which current comp= uters are currently at,) there is a significantly lower ROI than previously b= efore. As in: consumers wont have a need for new hardware at the previous le= vels. Which leads me to=20 >=20 > 3) Most of the operating systems out there could be streamlined to run on l= ess CPU, as for years, main components of both Microsoft's and Apple's OSs w= ere built on previous code, then added features are integrated into code tha= t exists. Its only a matter of time before all of this is streamlined. At wh= ich point the headroom requirements for most tasks will fall.=20 >=20 > 4)We can already record massive number of tasks on a new IMac, how much mo= re do we need. Yes, most people dont need HD video processing >=20 > 5) the computing structure is making a shift to 'cloud' computing, which a= pple has overlooked/been behind on for years=20 >=20 > Maybe Im wrong, and the company will put out a massive TV that will revolu= tionize everything, but the used market is going to blossom with Apple produ= cts over the next few years. Their only hope is adjusting their price points= before disgruntled workers pull a mutiny as their patents run out.=20 >=20 > Discuss? =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-CCA98933-835E-4849-BFC1-C893B16D761F Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Ditto. 


Honestly I whole heartedly agree. I'm currently rebuilding my 32gb 3GS iPhone again. 
It's good enough. Probably too good. I'm use to crap. 
Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo
Earth, Worm, &, Fire and
Electric Light Opry

On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:52 PM, william middlemiss <billymiddlemiss@gmail.com> wrote:



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: william middlemiss <billymiddlemiss@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: Steve Jobs
To: Elmer Fuddski <jakebrakesrule@yahoo.com>


The bubble's going to burst, and Ill tell you why:

1)The first to run out and get new Iphones were college students, most companies are hiring from inside, or competitors. When these college students get into the workforce, they are going to be unemployed for a long time. 

2)The average computer user has no use for upgrades, or hardware with capacities beyond a certain point. Passed this point (a level which current computers are currently at,) there is a significantly lower ROI than previously before. As in: consumers wont have a need for new hardware at the previous levels. Which leads me to 

3) Most of the operating systems out there could be streamlined to run on less CPU, as for years, main components of both Microsoft's and Apple's OSs were built on previous code, then added features are integrated into code that exists. Its only a matter of time before all of this is streamlined. At which point the headroom requirements for most tasks will fall. 

4)We can already record massive number of tasks on a new IMac, how much more do we need. Yes, most people dont need HD video processing

5) the computing structure is making a shift to 'cloud' computing, which apple has overlooked/been behind on for years 

Maybe Im wrong, and the company will put out a massive TV that will revolutionize everything, but the used market is going to blossom with Apple products over the next few years. Their only hope is adjusting their price points before disgruntled workers pull a mutiny as their patents run out. 

Discuss?            



--Apple-Mail-CCA98933-835E-4849-BFC1-C893B16D761F-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 06:34:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F4AB18345B; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 06:34:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EBA1EE2.3030603@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 22:34:10 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: LP-2 SHIPPING STATUS UPDATE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 06:34:17 +0000 (UTC) I got a phone call today from Bob and he says that he expects to start shipping the first batch of LP-2s by the first of next week. yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 06:47:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C66AE18345D; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 06:47:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=IUergWtGZNLWaEK1wiuBsnw2y/XIgAQ8ufmJDbj+hmA=; b=cmcJCpGg80nX2p7IY0++iJIFJIkAf/jwaskYxNuTJ/tzZ12RVKAkfm3xMCI9ys6fyd 5Px1T14i9RBk6ner+nkEnK2ea88S+UiV4AJtXOp/PYg5lY4rUAfTmkyqPfhnCaO9ibsi aQRpL+mqsOydda9hn+rmh5GSi/AaT9wIvFM/w= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: LP-2 SHIPPING STATUS UPDATE From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: <4EBA1EE2.3030603@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 22:47:06 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <4EBA1EE2.3030603@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 06:47:10 +0000 (UTC) Happy news !! 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X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F Message-Id: <7E4A07C7-3D5C-497D-A21E-26A163E1BC38@carlsonarts.com> From: Michael Carlson Music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4EB9E027.8090101@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: livelooping. organic Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 23:10:35 -0800 References: <4EB9E027.8090101@cruzio.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 07:10:39 +0000 (UTC) Wow! I have been messing around with recording a basic loop phrase and then sending it through my Voicelive set up to play the loop using whatever notes I play on the keyboard, and its working great. I can even control the output with my ribbon bar for scoops and shakes. It's scary when something works so well the first time you try it. Do you all know "Sometimes Bad is Bad" by Huey Lewis and the News? "Bah dit dit dit dit dit doo wop. Wop." I've got all the vocal parts going at once, driven by that one phrase of syllables as a two bar loop. Awesome. I'm going to check out those samplers, though, too, to use to play melodies over the loop. I love this list. You all are great at helping me think through the technical to get to the musical. Peace and adventure, Michael Carlson (TripleOhNine) On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:06 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > Oooops, I meant Michael Carson not Craig. > > r. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 09:49:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFF2318345E; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 09:49:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 695755137/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.22.27/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.22.27 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiUQAJNLuk5YbRYb/2dsb2JhbAAMNppph1sBhjAWhAgBAQEEOEARCxgJFg8JAwIBAgFFHAGIBrkViX8EmUeMUA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,483,1315177200"; d="scan'208";a="695755137" Message-ID: <4EBA4CC2.8060108@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 09:49:54 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vox VDL1 Dynamic Looper References: <1320822478.55285.YahooMailClassic@web112112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1320822478.55285.YahooMailClassic@web112112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 09:49:42 +0000 (UTC) K D Patten wrote: > any one tried the Vox VDL1 Dynamic Looper? > tried it, gigged it, reviewed it http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/201106/msg00679.html andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 10:11:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB25B18345E; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 10:11:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_2552c257-7f35-42be-bffe-0ef558fa61a2_" X-Originating-IP: [87.102.15.109] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: livelooping. organic Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 10:11:39 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4EB9B66F.2030104@googlemail.com> References: <4EB7F9BE.3090203@cruzio.com>,<4EB98815.6070703@googlemail.com> ,<4EB9B66F.2030104@googlemail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2011 10:11:39.0920 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8F22100:01CC9EC7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 10:11:40 +0000 (UTC) --_2552c257-7f35-42be-bffe-0ef558fa61a2_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Is my understanding correct that the ESX/EMX is the second generation in= =20 > the "Electribe" product line=2C of which the ES-1 and ER-1 (?) were the=20 > first generation?=20 Yes to a power of 10+ ... the ESX is the sampling unit is has 9 one shot d= rum parts =2C 2 scaled keyboard parts and then a (devides a longer sample i= nto "slices" )Slice part and two Stretch parts (made for playing a whole dr= um loop where the speed can be varied whilst doing its best ot maintain pit= ch) The EMX is all onboard=2C its a 5 part VA synth with a PCM sampled drum mac= hine built in=2C its actually more akin to the old korg EA with more parts = plus drums then the ER... the ER is quite a diferant beast... the EMX is ma= rginally lessflexible because you cant upload your own sounds...but you can= sequence more melodic pats on it ( bother are monophonic per part) =20 > Heard a lot of good things about the E-mu already. By=20 > "counter-intuitive"=2C do you mean it doesn't work to program drums=2C or= it=20 > just takes some time to get used to it? Well with the ESX I have ALL my kit defined per preset...so a kick is on pa= rt 1=2C snare on 2=2C second kick on three snare four etc.... the emx has r= eally odd patch oorganisations=2Cits neither like this or like the traditio= nal midi map....in some patches there are "raw" patches full of bass drums = ...like one new bass on each key of a full keyboard...whilst on other patch= es its like there is a "kit" in the patch but then as you transpose the pat= ch will have aweful prerecorded "riffs" and basses and wacka wacka guitars= and ...well crap ...thrown in=2C as an improvisor that makes them unusabl= e to me...i never feel I could "learn" the kits. > I don't understand your description after "a whole host of sounds" - can= =20 > you be more specific? Well I have the ocmposer =2C mo phatt and extreme lead roms in mine I think= that gives me about 3000 rompler raw sounds ...these can be stacked up to = 8 layers high have up to 32 arpegiators running on them and be affected by = any of the many many filters abailable=2C there is good and bad in every ro= m=2C but if you hrvest the best and make your own preset banks=2C you will = never be short of a sound. > > The MC series are counter intuative and not useful for live from=20 > > scratch music creaton...they are definatly more aimed at the " build=20 > > before remix live " brigade. > Agree. I have a MC505 myself=2C which=2C in many respects=2C is a cool th= ing=2C=20 > but I can't even remember how to program/record new patterns=2C because I= =20 > never really used it. Their workflow to remix/combine different=20 > multi--part patterns is cool=2C though. I keep almost selling it...but it sounds ace as just a module to pipe live = data to from my sonnus B2M bass ot midi convertor. > > in the meantime=2C I would say give it a go if you have access to the=20 > > tools...its imense fun and the possibilities for not just building a=20 > > piece but building then dropping some parts then changing others then=20 > > adding in some more sounds then replacing tiny fragments...its a=20 > > really good way to play. > Yup=2C also an important aspect - fun! And different than audio-looping=20 > tools (unless you play your instrument and your effects and your looper=20 > really really well)=2C the approach is much more microsurgery-like. I like the analogy=2C yer=2C its a my favourite work flow now=2C I still lo= e my audio loops=2C in fact=2C the sound i am looking for works best blendi= ng both as many sequencers are on a grid=2C so all recorded material gets s= ifter through that grid resolution...its amazing for drums as it corrects a= ll my mistakes=2C but for melodic samples it can feel a little rigid ( as = a mater of intrest the EMU can quantize of leave events as they are=2C I ha= ve mine set to 32nd quantise=2C its fine enough to sound human but it does = correct slight mishaps.) >=20 > --=20 > http://moinlabs.de > Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs >=20 = --_2552c257-7f35-42be-bffe-0ef558fa61a2_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


>=3B Is my understanding correct that the ESX/EMX is the sec= ond generation in
>=3B the "Electribe" product line=2C of which the E= S-1 and ER-1 (?) were the
>=3B first generation?

Yes to a pow= er of 10+ ... the =3B ESX is the sampling unit is has 9 one shot drum p= arts =2C 2 scaled keyboard parts and then a (devides a longer sample into "= slices" )Slice part and two Stretch parts (made for playing a whole drum lo= op where the speed can be varied whilst doing its best ot maintain pitch)
The EMX is all onboard=2C its a 5 part VA synth with a PCM sampled dr= um machine built in=2C its actually more akin to the old korg EA with more = parts plus drums then the ER... the ER is quite a diferant beast... the EMX= is marginally lessflexible because you cant upload your own sounds...but y= ou can sequence more melodic pats on it ( bother are monophonic per part)
 =3B
>=3B Heard a lot of good things about the E-mu already.= By
>=3B "counter-intuitive"=2C do you mean it doesn't work to progra= m drums=2C or it
>=3B just takes some time to get used to it?
Well= with the ESX I have ALL my kit defined per preset...so a kick is on part 1= =2C snare on 2=2C second kick on three snare four etc.... the emx has reall= y odd patch oorganisations=2Cits neither like this or like the traditional = midi map....in some patches there are "raw" patches full of bass drums ...l= ike one new bass on each key of a full keyboard...whilst on other patches i= ts like there is a "kit" in the patch but then as you transpose the patch w= ill have aweful prerecorded "riffs" and basses =3B and wacka wacka guit= ars and ...well crap ...thrown in=2C as an =3B improvisor that makes th= em unusable to me...i never feel I could "learn" the kits.

>=3B I = don't understand your description after "a whole host of sounds" - can
= >=3B you be more specific?
Well I have the ocmposer =2C mo phatt and e= xtreme lead roms in mine I think that gives me about 3000 rompler raw sound= s ...these can be stacked up to 8 layers high have up to 32 arpegiators run= ning on them and be affected by any of the many many filters abailable=2C t= here is good and bad in every rom=2C but if you hrvest the best and make yo= ur own preset banks=2C you will never be short of a sound.


>= =3B >=3B The MC series are counter intuative and not useful for live from=
>=3B >=3B scratch music creaton...they are definatly more aimed at= the " build
>=3B >=3B before remix live " brigade.
>=3B Agree= . I have a MC505 myself=2C which=2C in many respects=2C is a cool thing=2C =
>=3B but I can't even remember how to program/record new patterns=2C = because I
>=3B never really used it. Their workflow to remix/combine = different
>=3B multi--part patterns is cool=2C though.
I keep almo= st selling it...but it sounds ace as just a module to pipe live data to fro= m my sonnus B2M bass ot midi convertor.


>=3B >=3B in the mea= ntime=2C I would say give it a go if you have access to the
>=3B >= =3B tools...its imense fun and the possibilities for not just building a >=3B >=3B piece but building then dropping some parts then changing o= thers then
>=3B >=3B adding in some more sounds then replacing tiny= fragments...its a
>=3B >=3B really good way to play.
>=3B Yup= =2C also an important aspect - fun! And different than audio-looping
&g= t=3B tools (unless you play your instrument and your effects and your loope= r
>=3B really really well)=2C the approach is much more microsurgery-= like.
I like the analogy=2C yer=2C its a my favourite work flow now=2C I= still loe my audio loops=2C in fact=2C the sound i am looking for works be= st blending both as many sequencers are on a grid=2C so all recorded materi= al gets sifter through that grid resolution...its amazing for drums as it c= orrects all my mistakes=2C but for melodic samples it can feel a little rig= id =3B ( as a mater of intrest the EMU can quantize of leave events as = they are=2C I have mine set to 32nd quantise=2C its fine enough to sound hu= man but it does correct slight mishaps.)


>=3B
>=3B -- >=3B http://moinlabs.de
>=3B Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.= com/moinlabs
>=3B
= --_2552c257-7f35-42be-bffe-0ef558fa61a2_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 10:32:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C48818345C; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 10:32:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=1g6F7mRvnAKHSp2bVEnfj8uxt1eMJ5Vnqj8r0SUOFqU=; b=DWDjL4Zc/P6bwSyfe3wG6YxmK/Ovm1aqmhFlcuq+ipamglEKTEhrgHowf8UvXWJuNk FI7K4qWhx5Y7BuSmHSvQ+sO4n08sed2dkepzrD0lPvwFv7GHjnM25TEro+4JeCD1dG8F VH/HML1Y2Z3KpkskvUQx/biL4uiHeEr7ku1GI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <4EB7F9BE.3090203@cruzio.com> <4EB98815.6070703@googlemail.com> <4EB9B66F.2030104@googlemail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 11:32:03 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: bIYGnYK4WQFSu08xL9a33XEAVxg Message-ID: Subject: Re: livelooping. organic To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6471a48c0330004b14acd84 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 10:32:25 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6471a48c0330004b14acd84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 11:11 AM, phillip wilson wrote: > > > > Is my understanding correct that the ESX/EMX is the second generation in > > the "Electribe" product line, of which the ES-1 and ER-1 (?) were the > > first generation? > > Yes to a power of 10+ ... the ESX is the sampling unit is has 9 one shot > drum parts , 2 scaled keyboard parts and then a (devides a longer sample > into "slices" )Slice part and two Stretch parts (made for playing a whole > drum loop where the speed can be varied whilst doing its best ot maintain > pitch) > Thanks for that run down Philip, I must say that I reviewed the EMX earlier this year with a view to having an "immediate" improvisational addition to my set-up for adding synched but fucked up beats to my live looping improv. I went instead for the Kaossilator Pro, thinking that in someway the kaos style was more ME, and more immediate. I must say that I feel I made the wrong choice. Although I use the Kaossilator daily, mangling its pedestrian sounds with an additional Kaos quad (very happy with, and my workhorse the alesis AirFX, and am pretty happy with it. BUT its not doing quite what I had hoped. I am now thinking of selling it and getting a EMX. I dont know if I have explained my specific needs, but do you think it may be what I would prefer? -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --0016e6471a48c0330004b14acd84 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 11:11 AM, phillip= wilson <ph= illwilson@hotmail.com> wrote:


> Is my understanding correct that the ESX/EMX is the secon= d generation in
> the "Electribe" product line, of which t= he ES-1 and ER-1 (?) were the
> first generation?

Yes to a p= ower of 10+ ... the=A0 ESX is the sampling unit is has 9 one shot drum part= s , 2 scaled keyboard parts and then a (devides a longer sample into "= slices" )Slice part and two Stretch parts (made for playing a whole dr= um loop where the speed can be varied whilst doing its best ot maintain pit= ch)

Thanks for that run d= own Philip, I must say that I reviewed the EMX earlier this year with a vie= w to having an "immediate" improvisational addition to my set-up = for adding synched but fucked up beats to my live looping improv.

I went instead for the Kaossilator Pro, thinking that in someway the ka= os style was more ME, and more immediate. I must say that I feel I made the= wrong choice. Although I use the Kaossilator daily, mangling its pedestria= n sounds with an additional Kaos quad (very happy with, and my workhorse th= e alesis AirFX, and am pretty happy with it.

BUT its not doing quite what I had hoped. I am now thinking of selling = it and getting a EMX.

I dont know if I have explained my specific ne= eds, but do you think it may be what I would prefer?



--
Mark Francombewww.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr= .com/photos/24478662@N00/

--0016e6471a48c0330004b14acd84-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 10:37:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7D8818345A; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 10:37:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <1320822478.55285.YahooMailClassic@web112112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vox VDL1 Dynamic Looper In-Reply-To: <1320822478.55285.YahooMailClassic@web112112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Patrick Bishop X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CE6CE2A24AD2E0_235C_49326A_webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34290-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CE6CE2A23A2932-235C-1D5261@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [75.9.135.117] Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 05:36:54 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1320835015; bh=A58n1ywAwVCDmchXDkb9U9x1ODyfSiEW5QFGvfqza78=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lmSIB9bPCWf5fKgz/mKkhmuxjSM/rywur3WpzzHevFO1sgqcSbjo3UUR2r65mRaWH QOYDgTOgso957E8oPomdEjvIlG0DyYj2pNnbWfLj/oxfXeLZbh3Jls5SMHV1VF5UY0 prOCdqxJOaCqlgoaS0qAV0VXM39UsfCCByqfRiqc= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:422331136:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c4eba57c659f5 Resent-Message-ID: <1nSVgC.A.dIE.OfluOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 10:37:02 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CE6CE2A24AD2E0_235C_49326A_webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've had mine since last Father's Day and really enjoy it. It has a lot of = cool features that make it easy to make interesting loops. I especially lik= e that it has a control pedal that lets you fade in an effect or morph betw= een two different sounds. Fade in reverse can be a really great effect beca= use you can be going forwards and backwards at the same time. I also like t= he stutter mode because it lets you "chop" your loops into rhythmic pieces.= Good for changing a static loop and also good for "Reichian Phase Fun". PJ -----Original Message----- From: K D Patten To: loopers-delight Sent: Tue, Nov 8, 2011 9:08 pm Subject: Vox VDL1 Dynamic Looper any one tried the Vox VDL1 Dynamic Looper? Kyle Dean Patten=20 P.O. Box 22 Johnston, IA 50131 =20 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=3DKyle+Dean+Patten+ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dobgm3kTi5bs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Da9g93s0q3uc=20 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten=20 http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten=20 http://www.linkedin.com/in/kyledeanpatten =20 ----------MB_8CE6CE2A24AD2E0_235C_49326A_webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I've had mine since last Father's Day and really enjoy it. It has= a lot of cool features that make it easy to make interesting loops. I espe= cially like that it has a control pedal that lets you fade in an effect or = morph between two different sounds. Fade in reverse can be a really great e= ffect because you can be going forwards and backwards at the same time. I a= lso like the stutter mode because it lets you "chop" your loops into rhythm= ic pieces. Good for changing a static loop and also good for "Reichian Phas= e Fun".


PJ

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----------MB_8CE6CE2A24AD2E0_235C_49326A_webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 10:44:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9463183461; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 10:44:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_3bbf4c4f-8989-4f32-aa0a-e8aaa8fc5f56_" X-Originating-IP: [87.102.15.109] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: livelooping. organic Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 10:44:13 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4EB9DFD3.8080601@cruzio.com> References: ,<4EB9DFD3.8080601@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2011 10:44:13.0715 (UTC) FILETIME=[857F9630:01CC9ECC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 10:44:14 +0000 (UTC) --_3bbf4c4f-8989-4f32-aa0a-e8aaa8fc5f56_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Would you be into making some short vids to demonstrate what you can do=20 > in real time > with these instruments? Not the typical stuff=2C but the approach you=20 > suggested > to Craig for is vocal project. Hi all well=2C there are regular realtime loops on www.youtube.com/phillwil= son however i will have a bash through recording a vocalisation and using i= t as the basis for a whole song.......I'll do it in the next few days and g= et back to you. > one quick question........which of these devices does real time=20 > sample/playback/manipulation? > I'm assuming the Korg ER and Emu Command Station don't. Im not sure on what level you mean... the ER is a VA drum machine so you ca= n vary pitch =2C waveform=2Cfilter=2C modulation=2C eq=2C etc the EMU=2C whilst being a ROMpler=2C is some one of the most infinatly vari= able tools in my aresnel. the raw waveforms on each chip are fixed (unless = you have the EMU sampler..in which case you can physically swap the rom in) ....anyway=2C once you choose a wave form you can alter the Attack=2C Decay= Sustain (multiple part ) Release .....you can also vary where the sample s= tarts and ends=2C add LFOs route those to any of i think about 32 modulatio= n destinations patch anything to anything........ basically if you took out all the other stuff and just has a raw Sine / Saw= / Square wave...it would be a virtual modular synth............but with al= l the pianos=2C strings=2C tuned percussion etc...its hard to even imagine = what you couldnt approximate. for instance=2C I wanted a Celeste sound=2C it is one of my favourite sound= s and there is no sample native on the EMU roms I own=2C however I made a v= ery convincing one using another metalophone sample =2C applying new eq=2C = tweaking release and key tracking to filter out some trable on the lower ke= ys etc...now I have to all intents=2C a celeste. = --_3bbf4c4f-8989-4f32-aa0a-e8aaa8fc5f56_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

>=3B Would you be into making some short vids to demonstrate wha= t you can do
>=3B in real time
>=3B with these instruments? No= t the typical stuff=2C but the approach you
>=3B suggested
>=3B = to Craig for is vocal project.

Hi all well=2C there are regular real= time loops on www.youtube.com/phillwilson however i will have a bash throug= h recording a vocalisation and using it as the basis for a whole song......= .I'll do it in the next few days and get back to you.


>=3B one= quick question........which of these devices does real time
>=3B sam= ple/playback/manipulation?
>=3B I'm assuming the Korg ER and Emu Comma= nd Station don't.

Im not sure on what level you mean... the ER is a = VA drum machine so you can vary pitch =2C waveform=2Cfilter=2C modulation= =2C eq=2C etc
the EMU=2C whilst being a ROMpler=2C is some one of the mo= st infinatly variable tools in my aresnel. the raw waveforms on each chip a= re fixed (unless you have the EMU sampler..in which case you can physically= swap the rom in)
....anyway=2C once you choose a wave form you can alte= r the Attack=2C Decay Sustain (multiple part ) Release .....you can also va= ry where the sample starts and ends=2C add LFOs route those to any of i thi= nk about 32 modulation destinations patch anything to anything........
b= asically if you took out all the other stuff and just has a raw Sine / Saw = / Square wave...it would be a virtual modular synth............but with all= the pianos=2C strings=2C tuned percussion etc...its hard to even imagine w= hat you couldnt approximate.

for instance=2C I wanted a Celeste soun= d=2C it is one of my favourite sounds and there is no sample native on the = EMU roms I own=2C however I made a very convincing one using another metalo= phone sample =2C applying new eq=2C tweaking release and key tracking to fi= lter out some trable on the lower keys

etc...now I have to all inten= ts=2C a celeste.




= --_3bbf4c4f-8989-4f32-aa0a-e8aaa8fc5f56_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 11:01:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9246718345B; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 11:01:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_ac977a71-689e-40b5-a1d4-0b2ab08294ba_" X-Originating-IP: [87.102.15.109] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: livelooping. organic Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 11:01:39 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <4EB7F9BE.3090203@cruzio.com>,<4EB98815.6070703@googlemail.com> ,<4EB9B66F.2030104@googlemail.com> , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2011 11:01:39.0702 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4F48960:01CC9ECE] Resent-Message-ID: <5zeuWD.A.OkE.V2luOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 11:01:41 +0000 (UTC) --_ac977a71-689e-40b5-a1d4-0b2ab08294ba_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I feel like such a gear whore...yes I have the KO-pro too=2C it has found a= home in my rig for 3 reasons......... 1. using it in external mode to play into the EMU... i can play low registe= r chord changes on one controller whilst solo-ing on the kopro.......it alm= ost sounds like i can play!!!!!!!! 2. to use the SFX section to smoooth over transitions beween other elements= .......ie dropping in a drum beat whilst sweeping one of the whoooooooooosh= ing sounds really gives a sense of movement. 3. as a set ender.........basically I can loop just a couple of phrases on = the ko pro and then use the amazing beat divider type know to drop some ele= ments down through 8ths / 4ths / halfs / quarter notes etc....a good way to= end a gig. anyway...I digress.. unless you need the 5 parts on the EMX i would urge you to consider the ESX= instead........its more "infinate".......I can send you a link to a vintag= e drum kit sample site basically it is EVERYTHING i could never afford to o= wn=2C add to that the ability to easily sample any raw wav forms you fancy = for melody instruments (or just use the ones it comes with) and in most res= pects=2C you have eclipsed what is possible on the EMX very quickly. the other amazing thing worth mentioning is that if you use "reverse" on th= e arp / slider =2C you can set the slider to correspond with quarter notes= / eighths etc and select something like a bass drum...then simply touch th= e ribbon when you are ready ot drop the beat in=2C as long as you hold it c= onstantly=2C it will keep adding in that pattern leaving you free to "live = play" the other snares=2C hats etc. From: mark@markfrancombe.com Date: Wed=2C 9 Nov 2011 11:32:03 +0100 Subject: Re: livelooping. organic To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com On Wed=2C Nov 9=2C 2011 at 11:11 AM=2C phillip wilson wrote: > Is my understanding correct that the ESX/EMX is the second generation in= =20 > the "Electribe" product line=2C of which the ES-1 and ER-1 (?) were the=20 > first generation?=20 Yes to a power of 10+ ... the ESX is the sampling unit is has 9 one shot d= rum parts =2C 2 scaled keyboard parts and then a (devides a longer sample i= nto "slices" )Slice part and two Stretch parts (made for playing a whole dr= um loop where the speed can be varied whilst doing its best ot maintain pit= ch) Thanks for that run down Philip=2C I must say that I reviewed the EMX earli= er this year with a view to having an "immediate" improvisational addition = to my set-up for adding synched but fucked up beats to my live looping impr= ov. I went instead for the Kaossilator Pro=2C thinking that in someway the kaos= style was more ME=2C and more immediate. I must say that I feel I made the= wrong choice. Although I use the Kaossilator daily=2C mangling its pedestr= ian sounds with an additional Kaos quad (very happy with=2C and my workhors= e the alesis AirFX=2C and am pretty happy with it.=20 BUT its not doing quite what I had hoped. I am now thinking of selling it a= nd getting a EMX. I dont know if I have explained my specific needs=2C but do you think it ma= y be what I would prefer? =20 --=20 Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.comhttp://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ = --_ac977a71-689e-40b5-a1d4-0b2ab08294ba_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I feel like such a gear whore...yes I have the KO-pro too=2C it has found a= home in my rig for 3 reasons.........

1. using it in external mode = to play into the EMU... i can play low register chord changes on one contro= ller whilst solo-ing on the kopro.......it almost sounds like i can play!!!= !!!!!
2. to use the SFX section to smoooth over transitions beween other= elements.......ie dropping in a drum beat whilst sweeping one of the whooo= oooooooshing sounds really gives a sense of movement.
3. as a set ender.= ........basically I can loop just a couple of phrases on the ko pro and the= n use the amazing beat divider type know to drop some elements down through= 8ths / 4ths / halfs / quarter notes etc....a good way to end a gig.
anyway...I digress..

unless you need the 5 parts on the EMX i would= urge you to consider the ESX instead........its more "infinate".......I ca= n send you a link to a vintage drum kit sample site basically it is EVERYTH= ING i could never afford to own=2C add to that the ability to easily sample= any raw wav forms you fancy for melody instruments (or just use the ones i= t comes with) and in most respects=2C you have eclipsed what is possible on= the EMX very quickly.

the other amazing thing worth mentioning is t= hat if you use "reverse" on the arp / slider =2C you can set the slider to = correspond with =3B quarter notes / eighths etc and select something li= ke a bass drum...then simply touch the ribbon when you are ready ot drop th= e beat in=2C as long as you hold it constantly=2C it will keep adding in th= at pattern leaving you free to "live play" the other snares=2C hats etc.
From: mark@markfrancombe.com
Date: Wed= =2C 9 Nov 2011 11:32:03 +0100
Subject: Re: livelooping. organic
To: L= oopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com



On Wed=2C Nov 9=2C 2011 at 11:11 AM=2C phillip wilson <=3Bphillwilson@hotmail.com<= /a>>=3B wrote:


>=3B Is my understanding correct that the ESX/EMX is the sec= ond generation in
>=3B the "Electribe" product line=2C of which the E= S-1 and ER-1 (?) were the
>=3B first generation?

Yes to a pow= er of 10+ ... the =3B ESX is the sampling unit is has 9 one shot drum p= arts =2C 2 scaled keyboard parts and then a (devides a longer sample into "= slices" )Slice part and two Stretch parts (made for playing a whole drum lo= op where the speed can be varied whilst doing its best ot maintain pitch)

Thanks for that run d= own Philip=2C I must say that I reviewed the EMX earlier this year with a v= iew to having an "immediate" improvisational addition to my set-up for addi= ng synched but fucked up beats to my live looping improv.

I went instead for the Kaossilator Pro=2C thinking that in someway the = kaos style was more ME=2C and more immediate. I must say that I feel I made= the wrong choice. Although I use the Kaossilator daily=2C mangling its ped= estrian sounds with an additional Kaos quad (very happy with=2C and my work= horse the alesis AirFX=2C and am pretty happy with it.

BUT its not doing quite what I had hoped. I am now thinking of selling = it and getting a EMX.

I dont know if I have explained my specific ne= eds=2C but do you think it may be what I would prefer?



--
Ma= rk Francombe
w= ww.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://= www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/

= --_ac977a71-689e-40b5-a1d4-0b2ab08294ba_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 11:11:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93184183460; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 11:11:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=0pySdUVmVf53COxKKD/cctv6D4Quf7fqgeFX9/QAgC4=; b=LHoiAVshinbJ55mE48hewZZLBNl3sucv125AaHRv6SKwaQMJRAkifA5veZ3oBXRpxc 0Wkg7vwEWJUiFFxHyKavypm3wCQa9TOvUC/hxfmIaKRLBUiltGZqLqnV3VwZTfMGzNsT bUUUCeqla3tgYUEdHKUSVs5EDoAr/hzXS4CQM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <4EB7F9BE.3090203@cruzio.com> <4EB98815.6070703@googlemail.com> <4EB9B66F.2030104@googlemail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 12:11:11 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: KCxK8vDqQyUrifV0fP4HynFg5bo Message-ID: Subject: Re: livelooping. organic To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5bdd4b0316004b14b5985 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 11:11:33 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5bdd4b0316004b14b5985 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 WHoops I meant the ESX of course.. thats the sampling one right? On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 12:01 PM, phillip wilson wrote: > unless you need the 5 parts on the EMX i would urge you to consider the > ESX instead........its more "infinate"....... -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --001636c5bdd4b0316004b14b5985 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WHoops I meant the ESX of course.. thats the sampling one right?

On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 12:01 PM, phillip wilson <phillwilson@h= otmail.com> wrote:
unless you need the 5 parts on the EMX i wo= uld urge you to consider the ESX instead........its more "infinate&quo= t;.......



--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--001636c5bdd4b0316004b14b5985-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 11:39:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1743A18345C; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 11:39:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ItSgKUvEgpuArvFeGcEX9ho8h0+4pTt73K5WgrMP114= c=1 sm=0 a=fHAeZhFmsSgA:10 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=RcFzlN7jAAAA:20 a=A2bGdCcTAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=2MVZIa66Pr0bRtekMQIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=hUVfm6KHxBQA:10 a=tVb6zrUn1xIA:10 a=bwlB9DPT9e4A:10 a=Zu1X71Mu6QgA:10 a=5Zoq-eewZGEA:10 a=pN6x2CDCvqQA:10 a=PCIXu9QagVMsmNBKxBkQ4Q==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: My bands first looping at a show From: chaz worm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A334) Message-Id: <5C3F656D-48E1-43AB-A3C5-DD371F6EBEF6@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 06:39:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: <6B9GXB.A.sIF.NamuOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 11:39:57 +0000 (UTC) Actually it was just my little brother solo after I left the stage. He'd jus= t gotten his rc50 a month or so prior.=20 http://t.co/eVcxWmRJ Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo Earth, Worm, &, Fire and Electric Light Opry http://chazworm.com http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 11:59:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB0A418345F; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 11:59:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EBA6B09.4050302@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 03:59:05 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Elmer Fuddski CC: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Steve Jobs References: <1320802354.95175.YahooMailNeo@web38405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1320802354.95175.YahooMailNeo@web38405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090607090405090107060204" Resent-Message-ID: <3BAqyB.A.EeF.QsmuOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 11:59:12 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090607090405090107060204 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Elmer Fuddski wrote: > http://www.beggarscanbechoosers.com/2011/10/steve-jobs-represented-much-of-whats.html > Hmm...another viewpoint on Mr. Jobs that might make some less misty-eyed. > > > This is a truly eye opening essay. The contrast between General Motors and Apple is a very powerful one. Without being able to articulate it, my sense having lived in the US since 1959 (when my family returned form an American Air Force base in Triploi, Libya) is that over time, the powerful, the privileged and the wealthy keep winning and the general American pubic keep losing. The contrast in this article between the approach of the Japanese and the Germans, viz a vis high tech is also very strong. I also read, concurrently today, statistics about the increase in economic disparity between old people and young people In 1984 the average 65 year old had 10 times the assets of the average 25 year old..........in this latest study (in 2009) the average 65 year old has 47 times the assets of the average 25 year old. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business/2011/11/age-gap-rises-in-economic-well-being/ To quote: " The rich aren't just getting richer, but wealthy older Americans are noticeably better-off than their counterparts from three decades ago in several areas like income, employment, home ownership and housing values. It may be no surprise that older Americans are wealthier than younger ones. But a new study from Pew Research Center analyzed the economic well-being of current older and younger adults to those in the past and found that the age-based wealth gap skyrocketed 47:1 in 2009 compared to 10:1 in 1984. In 2009, the median net worth of households headed by adults aged 65 and older was 42 percent more than the same age group in 1984. In contrast, the net worth of households headed by an adult under 35 in 2009 was 68 percent less than the same age group in 1984. "These age-based gaps widened significantly during the sour economy of recent years, but all key trends are several decades old, indicating that they are also linked to long-term demographic, social and economic changes that have affected different age groups in different ways," Pew said in a statement. These changes include structural changes in the labor and housing markets, delayed marriage and retirement, and the changing racial and ethnic composition of the population. Thanks for posting this essay, Senor Fuddski. --------------090607090405090107060204 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Elmer Fuddski wrote:
 
Hmm...another viewpoint on Mr. Jobs that might make some less misty-eyed.

 
           

This is a truly eye opening essay.

The contrast between General Motors and Apple is a very powerful one.

Without being able to articulate it,  my sense having lived in the US since 1959
(when my family returned form an American Air Force base in Triploi, Libya)
is that over time,  the powerful, the privileged and the wealthy keep winning
and the general American pubic keep losing.

The contrast in this article between the approach of the Japanese and the Germans, viz a vis
high tech is also very strong.

I also read, concurrently today,  statistics  about the increase in economic disparity between old people and young people  

In 1984  the average 65 year old had 10 times
the assets of the average 25 year old..........in this latest study (in 2009) the average 65 year old
has 47 times the assets of the average 25 year old.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business/2011/11/age-gap-rises-in-economic-well-being/

To quote:

" The rich aren’t just getting richer, but wealthy older Americans are noticeably better-off than their counterparts from three decades ago in several areas like income, employment, home ownership and housing values.

It may be no surprise that older Americans are wealthier than younger ones. But a new study from Pew Research Center analyzed the economic well-being of current older and younger adults to those in the past and found that the age-based wealth gap skyrocketed 47:1 in 2009 compared to 10:1 in 1984.

In 2009, the median net worth of households headed by adults aged 65 and older was 42 percent more than the same age group in 1984. In contrast, the net worth of households headed by an adult under 35 in 2009 was 68 percent less than the same age group in 1984.

“These age-based gaps widened significantly during the sour economy of recent years, but all key trends are several decades old, indicating that they are also linked to long-term demographic, social and economic changes that have affected different age groups in different ways,” Pew said in a statement.

These changes include structural changes in the labor and housing markets, delayed marriage and retirement, and the changing racial and ethnic composition of the population.


Thanks for posting this essay, Senor Fuddski.


--------------090607090405090107060204-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 12:08:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CF9118345A; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 12:08:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_529952d6-b6d8-4250-bf73-69c204f7b2b0_" X-Originating-IP: [87.102.15.109] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: livelooping. organic Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 12:08:18 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <4EB7F9BE.3090203@cruzio.com>,<4EB98815.6070703@googlemail.com> ,<4EB9B66F.2030104@googlemail.com> , , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2011 12:08:18.0925 (UTC) FILETIME=[44AD89D0:01CC9ED8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 12:08:20 +0000 (UTC) --_529952d6-b6d8-4250-bf73-69c204f7b2b0_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: mark@markfrancombe.com Date: Wed=2C 9 Nov 2011 12:11:11 +0100 Subject: Re: livelooping. organic To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com WHoops I meant the ESX of course.. thats the sampling one right? yup ESX =3D Sampling EMX =3D Modelling = --_529952d6-b6d8-4250-bf73-69c204f7b2b0_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


From: mark@markfrancombe.com
Date: = Wed=2C 9 Nov 2011 12:11:11 +0100
Subject: Re: livelooping. organic
To= : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

WHoops I meant the ESX of cour= se.. thats the sampling one right?
yup ESX =3D Sampling

EMX =3D M= odelling
= --_529952d6-b6d8-4250-bf73-69c204f7b2b0_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 14:51:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 916F4183451; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 14:51:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <4EB7F9BE.3090203@cruzio.com>,<4EB98815.6070703@googlemail.com>,<4EB9B66F.2030104@googlemail.com>,, To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: glitchy M 13 switches In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: michael klobuchar X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CE6D0626B45A3D_B6C_31476D_webmail-d054.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34290-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CE6D0626A3B08F-B6C-1375C7@webmail-d054.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [68.162.171.40] Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 09:51:09 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1320850269; bh=dHehgKtaplyvijpXcs4yivuYXCQAo7E9U78GbNhodZA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=orDY6BQ+TUJwAudEeo0G/vzJPRUj+bjyl1mK9j6CftBvr2F8bPuVt5E6TCRACpjZX AnIOdRmGXqQAYnc+Nj62Aj0jGx/IRMn2DhmyXNmkWwX/hR4zQmj+nJHh3+1oxDxm/u TtpcD/IPe+DLG1P9hhvZqeboLAFDH6kJ/5KxTM60= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:212868016:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338a4eba935d2d11 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 14:51:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CE6D0626B45A3D_B6C_31476D_webmail-d054.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" a few of the switches on my M 13 are not working properly, they need to be = hit several times to make them work..... fixes please!!!!!.....tanks =09=09 =09 =09=09 =20 =20 ----------MB_8CE6D0626B45A3D_B6C_31476D_webmail-d054.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" a few of the switches on my M 13 ar= e not working properly, they need to be hit several times to make them work= .....

fixes please!!!!!.....tank= s



=09=09 =09 =09=09
----------MB_8CE6D0626B45A3D_B6C_31476D_webmail-d054.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 14:54:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 198B918345C; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 14:54:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_1eaa6647-0038-4cb8-bd94-a803d7a655f6_" X-Originating-IP: [87.102.15.109] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: glitchy M 13 switches Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 14:54:50 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8CE6D0626A3B08F-B6C-1375C7@webmail-d054.sysops.aol.com> References: <4EB7F9BE.3090203@cruzio.com>,<4EB98815.6070703@googlemail.com>,<4EB9B66F.2030104@googlemail.com>,, ,<8CE6D0626A3B08F-B6C-1375C7@webmail-d054.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2011 14:54:50.0568 (UTC) FILETIME=[88294480:01CC9EEF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 14:54:51 +0000 (UTC) --_1eaa6647-0038-4cb8-bd94-a803d7a655f6_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable is it the stich or tha actuator? the metal part are seperate and mainly go bad through dirt or becoming defo= rmed through over use. the actualy swtiches are very flimsy simple surface mount contact switches= ...these will go bad after a few thousand presses...you can buy them for un= der a pound here in the uk but you need to be comfortable in removinf the o= ld ones without damaging the PCB and then popping in the new ones=2C trimmi= ng the legs and again a clean solder job. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: glitchy M 13 switches From: nemoguitt@aol.com Date: Wed=2C 9 Nov 2011 09:51:09 -0500 a few of the switches on my M 13 are not working properly=2C they need to b= e hit several times to make them work..... fixes please!!!!!.....tanks =20 =20 = --_1eaa6647-0038-4cb8-bd94-a803d7a655f6_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
is it the stich or tha actuator?

the metal part are seperate and mai= nly go bad through dirt or becoming deformed through over use.

the a= ctualy swtiches are very flimsy simple =3B surface mount contact switch= es...these will go bad after a few thousand presses...you can buy them for = under a pound here in the uk but you need to be comfortable in removinf the= old ones without damaging the PCB and then popping in the new ones=2C trim= ming the legs and again a clean solder job.

To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: glitchy M 13 switc= hes
From: nemoguitt@aol.com
Date: Wed=2C 9 Nov 2011 09:51:09 -0500
a few of the switches= on my M 13 are not working properly=2C they need to be hit several times t= o make them work.....

fixes please!!!!!.....t= anks



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= --_1eaa6647-0038-4cb8-bd94-a803d7a655f6_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 15:03:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A66B18345E; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 15:03:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=u3TuPIIonrXMkwOESNukyfHQbvmrqr7IPXZ5B+n0GeE=; b=it/srgZCt8BZaW0H+pvIJuKOeAlm17w9HhORzXTTquFHJuXSClgbG88Np4xSIagSMY k+9rJSwqniiyYzaQytaLhfOLh/j4rB8NbBSLbDe0TONa2FEWCFI9M6KVGEW3KphzVPJ8 oWF56v2Awah6VZ4yFdGX/YF2QI3DTmHqGr6I4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8CE6D0626A3B08F-B6C-1375C7@webmail-d054.sysops.aol.com> References: <4EB7F9BE.3090203@cruzio.com> <4EB98815.6070703@googlemail.com> <4EB9B66F.2030104@googlemail.com> <8CE6D0626A3B08F-B6C-1375C7@webmail-d054.sysops.aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 16:03:01 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: glitchy M 13 switches From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <9GE2JB.A.a4H.mYpuOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 15:03:02 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 3:51 PM, michael klobuchar wrote: > a few of the switches on my M 13 are not working properly, they need to be > hit several times to make them work..... > fixes please!!!!!.....tanks "Anything can be fixed in Max/MSP" Per ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 15:11:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F357818345E; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 15:11:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 765709.23278.bm@omp1039.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1320851479; bh=GV5OYPG49gsvYdbtu+iwuR7/pC8yhwJdTSZGFuVadW8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JH2+5+VOyRGeBSuhxwKsIUdRR7ptH5ioyNfansUnWzrw5kGlnEW/v/9cz01Kn/P+MS9yI5ZZHcI9GomuU+WgDraSu7Maum7zQMsCTLesViAi6l307BskYV1MhdouvktK4DYMAUVty6bFqtLJb3UVGycCtPdihculEfjUATdqmc8= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=yWDgHxvUbKNpHuiP+5Qn9ZS57N91i8QdRG0YqicrvzXB3dJLUydv23ryDXee5vZXnbf8EfwJNcuryE+Cxguz570UweKKYPaKk2h24mcwyAD4aQlk/7EyDSLL9JL96PxsOMDiR+cFEgIkYfpzbnjOHAjwYw2I/Sk7J85zjk5bC5Q=; X-YMail-OSG: h2kL8LcVM1lTwKvqICK_6RezYmlwugiu5Ye573olFmoV6iL 955YQpPDiYXZ50O53SuqiRLE6PlJo7liWvwYPH47r4i5gFZnmFI.Q5xkk1uN Qbtbd8xcS55PH6_KQQXNkyeqWaE.rLfxUtZWzG_NxyGbrHYwgX6zgIseaJ_g xVoitUqVmkU_F9RbURhgKmdNLjP5QQ2EdyGmZjUUbmsWOjfdlRfPWN0MViqn 0yErZhlupZQe9nFkodQMnmM8hAcVIUpszwTv6OW9CYkakoaFHgO7jgSKNhhk WkmviyGQ1f5EZKRbwqSWMiFzIfz3TzwB_yhDPHvlMBL8jojihxgBqvEkWTz3 L__vnlB63yDW3vbONN630kErL.Vs_UV8QxCMdhFEc5G1GDV9P.6tKgQwQHFA Zh.mq3v9LL8ZxaCu_bl10J_YqucovUYnV1sCVg2ta1rB6oiNlMWqr6T6rGtp JnCfwGO60jJLtioZKCekQmYeyExL_ueDfhvRxL6O0p8j_rr9IyHRlkG8Dyxf AIisYBNsmgqxmWti6EJt7Ctz1UI2Ip8y71ujLtDR_MkLJf3tdKHXMX1bqc9G isdMXt5.4T4myTPC_5dWwnA-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.325013 References: <4EB7F9BE.3090203@cruzio.com> <4EB98815.6070703@googlemail.com> <1320802354.95175.YahooMailNeo@web38405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1320851479.57841.YahooMailNeo@web38406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 07:11:19 -0800 (PST) From: Elmer Fuddski Reply-To: Elmer Fuddski Subject: OT: Re: Steve Jobs To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-2114655128-1919949727-1320851479=:57841" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 15:11:20 +0000 (UTC) ---2114655128-1919949727-1320851479=:57841 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don't get me wrong. I respect Apple (particularly for its earlier achieveme= nts) and Woz & Jobs. I wish there were even more options for computer o/s's= around as in the earlier times when Atari & Amiga were viable computers.= =0A=A0=0AIt's the offshore outsourcing paradigm that I loath. Of course, it= 's a no brainer that one can manufacture cheaper offshore (not many environ= mental concerns, nor worker protections, et al) and exponentially lower wag= es compared to US workers make=A0significant profits a no-brainer for the c= orporate leadership. But WHO benefits? =0A=A0=0AThis is just one of many (a= lbeit mege-huge) present factors killing off the middle class in the U.S. a= nd causing the wealth disparity that exists. Rant end. 'Sorry.=0A=0AFrom: c= haz worm =0ATo: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight= .com" =0ASent: Wednesday, November 9, = 2011 12:20 AM=0ASubject: Re: Steve Jobs=0A=0A=0ADitto.=A0=0A=0A=0AHonestly = I whole heartedly agree. I'm currently rebuilding my 32gb 3GS iPhone again.= =A0=0AIt's good enough. Probably too good. I'm use to crap.=A0=0AChaz Worm = - singer, bass, banjo =0AEarth, Worm, &, Fire and=0AElectric Light Opry=0Ah= ttp://chazworm.com=0Ahttp://YouTube.com/ChazWorm=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Nov 8, 2011,= at 8:52 PM, william middlemiss wrote:=0A=0A=0A= =0A>=0A>=0A>---------- Forwarded message ----------=0A>From: william middle= miss =0A>Date: Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 8:48 PM=0A>Su= bject: Re: Steve Jobs=0A>To: Elmer Fuddski =0A>= =0A>=0A>The bubble's going to burst, and Ill tell you why: =0A>=0A>=0A>1)Th= e first to run out and get new Iphones were college students, most companie= s are hiring from inside, or competitors. When these college students get i= nto the workforce, they are going to be unemployed for a long time.=A0=0A>= =0A>=0A>2)The average computer user has no use for upgrades, or hardware wi= th capacities beyond a certain point. Passed this point (a level which curr= ent computers are currently at,) there is a significantly lower ROI than pr= eviously before. As in: consumers wont have a need for new hardware at the = previous levels. Which leads me to=A0=0A>=0A>=0A>3) Most of the operating s= ystems out there could be streamlined to run on less CPU, as for years, mai= n components of both Microsoft's and Apple's OSs were built on previous cod= e, then added features are integrated into code that exists. Its only a mat= ter of time before all of this is streamlined. At which point the headroom = requirements for most tasks will fall.=A0=0A>=0A>=0A>4)We can already recor= d massive number of tasks on a new IMac, how much more do we need. Yes, mos= t people dont need HD video processing=0A>=0A>=0A>5) the computing structur= e is making a shift to 'cloud' computing, which apple has overlooked/been b= ehind on for years=A0=0A>=0A>=0A>Maybe Im wrong, and the company will put o= ut a massive TV that will revolutionize everything, but the used market is = going to blossom with Apple products over the next few years. Their only ho= pe is adjusting their price points before disgruntled workers pull a mutiny= as their patents run out.=A0=0A>=0A>=0A>Discuss? =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =0A>=0A>>=0A>=0A> ---2114655128-1919949727-1320851479=:57841 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Don't get me wrong. I respect Apple (part= icularly for its earlier achievements) and Woz & Jobs. I wish there wer= e even more options for computer o/s's around as in the earlier times when = Atari & Amiga were viable computers.
 
It's the offshore ou= tsourcing paradigm that I loath. Of course, it's a no brainer that one can = manufacture cheaper offshore (not many environmental concerns, nor worker p= rotections, et al) and exponentially lower wages compared to US workers mak= e significant profits a no-brainer for the corporate leadership. But W= HO benefits?
 
This is just one of = many (albeit mege-huge) present factors killing off the middle class in the= U.S. and causing the wealth disparity that exists. Rant end. 'Sorry.

From:= chaz worm <chaz@earthwormandfire.com>
To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"= <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: Steve Jobs
<= BR>
Ditto. 


Honestly I whole heartedly agree. I'm currently rebuilding my 32gb 3GS= iPhone again. 
It's good enough. Probably too good. I'm use to crap. 
Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo
Earth, Worm, &, Fire and
Electric Light Opry
http://chazworm.com
http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm


On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:52 PM, william middlemiss <billymiddlemiss@gmail.com> wrote:
=


---------- Forwarded message --------= --
From: william middlemiss= <billymid= dlemiss@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 8:48 PM
Su= bject: Re: Steve Jobs
To: Elmer Fuddski <jakebrakesrule@yahoo.com>


The bubble's go= ing to burst, and Ill tell you why:

1)The first to run out and get new Iphones were college students, most= companies are hiring from inside, or competitors. When these college stude= nts get into the workforce, they are going to be unemployed for a long time= . 

2)The average computer user has no use for upgrades, or hardware with = capacities beyond a certain point. Passed this point (a level which current= computers are currently at,) there is a significantly lower ROI than previ= ously before. As in: consumers wont have a need for new hardware at the pre= vious levels. Which leads me to 

3) Most of the operating systems out there could be streamlined to run= on less CPU, as for years, main components of both Microsoft's and Apple's= OSs were built on previous code, then added features are integrated into c= ode that exists. Its only a matter of time before all of this is streamline= d. At which point the headroom requirements for most tasks will fall. =

4)We can already record massive number of tasks on a new IMac, how muc= h more do we need. Yes, most people dont need HD video processing

5) the computing structure is making a shift to 'cloud' computing, whi= ch apple has overlooked/been behind on for years 

Maybe Im wrong, and the company will put out a massive TV that will re= volutionize everything, but the used market is going to blossom with Apple = products over the next few years. Their only hope is adjusting their price = points before disgruntled workers pull a mutiny as their patents run out.&n= bsp;

Discuss?            =





---2114655128-1919949727-1320851479=:57841-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 15:20:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1EAC918345E; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 15:20:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: livelooping. organic From: Mark Hamburg In-Reply-To: <4EB98815.6070703@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 07:20:20 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4EB7F9BE.3090203@cruzio.com> <4EB98815.6070703@googlemail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <-KyGrB.A.xZ.2opuOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 15:20:22 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > Yes, and from my experience, most people who do live-looping (whatever = that may be) simply use something like a Boss RC-50, record a track, = then record another one, and then have them play while they solo on top = of them. And there's very very few that do the odd "EDP gone crazy" = schtick so some of us can enjoy it. I observed after Y2KX that while I used to put lots of effort into = evolving loops, my music seems to have drifted more toward recording a = backing track loop and then focusing on improvising over that. The loop = becomes just a way of creating some extra sonic density. I'm not sure = what's driven that change. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 15:49:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFA5E18345A; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 15:49:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: glitchy M 13 switches Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 07:49:01 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 15:49:07 +0000 (UTC) Is it a group of switches that all seem to be faltering? if so it may that a connection has pulled loose from a main LED assembly. You will need to open it up and reconnect the cable which is a non soldered snap in design. If you don't want to futz with it, Take it to a tech in your area or e-mail line 6 and see what they would want you to do. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 15:49:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADAD2183461; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 15:49:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 398 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 15:49:18 UTC Subject: Re: Steve Jobs Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-146--1051226150 From: Mark Hamburg In-Reply-To: <1320802354.95175.YahooMailNeo@web38405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 07:42:37 -0800 Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-Id: References: <4EB7F9BE.3090203@cruzio.com>,<4EB98815.6070703@googlemail.com> <1320802354.95175.YahooMailNeo@web38405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Elmer Fuddski X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 15:49:19 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-146--1051226150 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Nov 8, 2011, at 5:32 PM, Elmer Fuddski wrote: > = http://www.beggarscanbechoosers.com/2011/10/steve-jobs-represented-much-of= -whats.html > =20 > Hmm...another viewpoint on Mr. Jobs that might make some less = misty-eyed. A couple things to note... * As the article states, Japan is the sole source for many of the = components needed to make these devices and that's tied to general = problems in this country. Apple isn't in a position to change what has = been a long term decline brought on by lack of investment in education = and other problems. So complaining that Apple gets its components from = overseas is a legitimate response to the suggestions that the success of = companies like Apple is a sign that the US economy is healthy but it's = difficult to ding Apple for buying parts where they need to get parts. * As for Jobs's (and Apple's role), it's worth considering that while = the parts may have been available, they weren't being assembled by = others. Shall we say that musicians don't deserve credit for the music = they play and instead the credit should go to the people who make their = instruments? Mark --Apple-Mail-146--1051226150 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
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Hmm...another viewpoint on Mr. Jobs that might make some = less misty-eyed.

A = couple things to note...

* As the article = states, Japan is the sole source for many of the components needed to = make these devices and that's tied to general problems in this country. = Apple isn't in a position to change what has been a long term decline = brought on by lack of investment in education and other problems. So = complaining that Apple gets its components from overseas is a legitimate = response to the suggestions that the success of companies like Apple is = a sign that the US economy is healthy but it's difficult to ding Apple = for buying parts where they need to get = parts.

* As for Jobs's (and Apple's role), it's = worth considering that while the parts may have been available, they = weren't being assembled by others. Shall we say that musicians don't = deserve credit for the music they play and instead the credit should go = to the people who make their = instruments?

Mark

= --Apple-Mail-146--1051226150-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 18:17:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AB5F18345B; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 18:17:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=OH7NnOjP6qqv4XdvoAwXE08Qygi1x+JMg5NH7q3ilPU=; b=VA/NG2TIaB00FMcz/9bstyNAuquvOxY1wirKDOBTp0UQgn4fxhlfCJGoMBYC6IGcUr eE9UKOy6EC6osDn4h5QvJjrbN5W96/lb8FAAfxpmNTbj+hqwAS2n1Z9qeyswwLW1foQ3 OHk6xFt2fDID1ZQfY14Kc/wVGGJ9bbvPyeSBg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4EBA1EE2.3030603@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 13:17:36 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: LP-2 SHIPPING STATUS UPDATE From: Thomas Wegmann To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e650c03070dc3b04b1514de3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 18:17:37 +0000 (UTC) --0016e650c03070dc3b04b1514de3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This is GREAT to hear! On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 1:47 AM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > Happy news !! > > On Nov 8, 2011, at 10:34 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > > > I got a phone call today from Bob and > > he says that he expects to start shipping > > the first batch of LP-2s by the first of next week. > > > > yours, Rick Walker > > > > -- Greg Wegmann TheWeg@Frontier.com TheWeg@GMail.com --0016e650c03070dc3b04b1514de3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is GREAT to hear!

On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 1:47 AM, Phil Clevenger <= span dir=3D"ltr"><phil.cleve= nger@gmail.com> wrote:
Happy news !!

On Nov 8, 2011, at 10:34 PM, Rick Walker wrote:
> I got a phone call today from Bob and
> he says that he expect= s to start shipping
> the first batch of LP-2s by the first of next w= eek.
>
> yours, =A0 Rick Walker
>




--
TheWeg@GMail.com

--0016e650c03070dc3b04b1514de3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 23:47:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1C7C18345E; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 23:47:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=yZJ2qgSqeT+/jg1IYjSadEhGLVcPBeGp5Q3wTZ0l9JQ=; b=cgNwRhdR3romivihQDQeYsnthMWINoC3rhkTIVpk/jssnn9+IxZ/ul9daNStz93FOZ ZWz/zZPCjwpqo3u1x3cUBQMFoe0V+cMEbKcsSC8aRES963CBVMbntPqVs04thhx4Z/wT RMDuFK7ZaYnXAKEF8TpWvo7z8+gdweYb9wB/Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4EB7F9BE.3090203@cruzio.com> <4EB98815.6070703@googlemail.com> <1320802354.95175.YahooMailNeo@web38405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 18:47:23 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Steve Jobs From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04479505ddf64004b155e8bb Resent-Message-ID: <4YJQdD.A.BpH.MExuOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 23:47:24 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04479505ddf64004b155e8bb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 "Shall we say that musicians don't deserve credit for the music they play and instead the credit should go to the people who make their instruments?" No, however honest musicians will divulge their influences, and their ownership of their part of the music will become apparent. --f46d04479505ddf64004b155e8bb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

"Shall we say= that musicians don't deserve credit for the music they play and instea= d the credit should go to the people who make their instruments?"

No, however honest musicians will divulge their influences, and their ow= nership of their part of the music will become apparent.=A0
--f46d04479505ddf64004b155e8bb-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 10 07:35:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9217E18345E; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 07:35:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Gt2fC4ym+xueK8cHB81BS6BwqsPsY7vRZj/ERP1uzeU=; b=Jo7rxeRgnIaZ7OphNwRhlZqpVZLq2LqvxwRwXVaaeBtiYq3dMpuNnx9p8Pq4kuquhx qPfWKCDn12kM9oxU1080WQt2WAVYhD4uELAKXKlG9212iRa6qdUhEgjvCwIuEpgssOd7 pUrCa28afGyDd6uE3I0QP6c/Oglm18Ku6nCbI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4EB98815.6070703@googlemail.com> References: <4EB7F9BE.3090203@cruzio.com> <4EB98815.6070703@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 08:35:15 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: livelooping. organic From: Johannes Korn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e65a025e0e2b2104b15c724b Resent-Message-ID: <4xw4WC.A.h3E.163uOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 07:35:17 +0000 (UTC) --0016e65a025e0e2b2104b15c724b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 2011/11/8 Rainer Straschill > > [...] > Of course, most drum machines are not optimized for patterns being > programmed from scratch in realtime - that's not the original main use > case, and only a few implementations have moved away from that main use > case (just as only a few looping devices have moved away from the > "one-man-band" use case).[...] > > > The simplest machine where this is possible is probably the Korg monotribe. A nice little machine, but unfortunately, the drums sounds are not so good IMHO. -- jenko.nashorn@googlemail.com http://soundcloud.com/jenko-nashorn --0016e65a025e0e2b2104b15c724b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
2011/11/8 Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com>

[...]
Of course, most drum machines are not optimized for patterns being programm= ed from scratch in realtime - that's not the original main use case, an= d only a few implementations have moved away from that main use case (just = as only a few looping devices have moved away from the "one-man-band&q= uot; use case).[...]



The simplest machine where this is possible i= s probably the Korg monotribe. A nice little machine, but unfortunately, th= e drums sounds are not so good IMHO.=A0

--0016e65a025e0e2b2104b15c724b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 10 21:56:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0C7918345D; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 21:56:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EBC487C.2060102@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:56:12 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 21:56:25 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EST/GMT-5 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Synth NL. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "AtmoSphere" on Groove Unlimited Records. Details are at the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#nov Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 11 06:26:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74DC418345B; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 06:26:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A02020B.4EBCC00F.0079,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=Mm7wCnmhIH1F3xzFnZSx5GfOfjmr4St7hCElUMct5Xs= c=1 sm=1 a=4_sYBtFt6HEA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=IDQZPWAOk3jkEbRLu4diLA==:17 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=5m2QSSFnkSv1XWavBNAA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=IDQZPWAOk3jkEbRLu4diLA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: References: <4EBA1EE2.3030603@cruzio.com> Subject: RE: LP-2 SHIPPING STATUS UPDATE Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 22:26:15 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcyfC99+pQLq2z7JTtaeI93nxXT5SgBLrxEg In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 06:26:25 +0000 (UTC) Looked in mailbox, did not see LP-2. Maybe next week . . . Gary ________________________________________ From: Thomas Wegmann wrote: This is GREAT to hear! On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 1:47 AM, Phil Clevenger = wrote: Happy news !! On Nov 8, 2011, at 10:34 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > I got a phone call today from Bob and > he says that he expects to start shipping > the first batch of LP-2s by the first of next week. > > yours, =A0 Rick Walker > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 11 16:31:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C042718345B; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:31:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6A2E5ECB-7857-4A8E-A628-428BF32F79D7@sea.plala.or.jp> From: Ed Durbrow To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4EB86BA4.5030807@cruzio.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--875519007 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: PALINDROMIC RHYTHMS: 11/11/11 at 11:11 for 11:11 Project Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 01:31:04 +0900 References: <4EB86BA4.5030807@cruzio.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-VirusScan: Outbound; msa02b; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 01:31:04 +0900 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:31:08 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--875519007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:37 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > Let's hear it for palindromes!!!!! I think I'm developing Aibohphobia, which is a fear of palindromes. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ --Apple-Mail-4--875519007 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Nov 8, 2011, = at 8:37 AM, Rick Walker wrote:

Let's hear it = for palindromes!!!!!

I think I'm = developing Aibohphobia, which is a fear of palindromes.

= --Apple-Mail-4--875519007-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 11 18:14:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BFB9C18345E; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 18:14:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <395B3DBB-D59E-498C-B57E-DB691588302E@sea.plala.or.jp> From: Ed Durbrow To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6--869291035 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: 11 11 11 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 03:14:52 +0900 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-VirusScan: Outbound; msa03b; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 03:14:52 +0900 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 18:14:56 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6--869291035 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It has been declared by someone to be Nigel Tufnel Day, after the member of Spinal Tap with the special amplifier which "has eleven". Well, here is my 11 11 11 contribution. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lue1h_tLIhQ I tried to start my looping around 11:11 tonight. I could not get sound into Mobius, as so often happens. Maybe the pressure of TRYING caused it not to happen. I've only gotten Mobius to record a loop a couple of times. There is usually something I can't figure out. So, I tried to use my RC-02. The signal out of my preamp didn't seem to work with it, i.e. I couldn't get any sound, so I gave up with the live looping. Please forgive me for making my loops in Logic Pro. Not exactly live-looping and not a whole lot of improvisation. I improvised a couple of tracks in the last third of the snippet. The first three tracks are all looped though. The tempo is 111 bpm and it lasts 1 min 11 sec. I decided to use an 11 string lute and use the first 11 bars of music on page 11 of the Capirola manuscript as a basis for improv. I just discovered tonight that this Capirola manuscript became available online November 8 and is stunningly beautiful. It was created around 1517 and can be downloaded/seen here: http://ricercar.cesr.univ-tours.fr/3-programmes/EMN/luth/pages/actualites.asp My video has a shot of the page I worked from. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ --Apple-Mail-6--869291035 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  It has been declared by = someone to be Nigel Tufnel Day, after the
 member of Spinal Tap = with the special amplifier which "has = eleven".

Well, here is my 11 11 11 = contribution.

I tried to start = my looping around 11:11 tonight.  
I could not get = sound into Mobius, as so often happens. Maybe the pressure of TRYING = caused it not to happen. I've only gotten Mobius to record a loop a = couple of times. There is usually something I can't figure out. So, I = tried to use my RC-02. The signal out of my preamp didn't seem to work = with it, i.e. I couldn't get any sound, so I gave up with the live = looping. Please forgive me for making my loops in Logic Pro. Not exactly = live-looping and not a whole lot of improvisation. I improvised a couple = of tracks in the last third of the snippet. The first three tracks are = all looped though. The tempo is 111 bpm and it lasts 1 min 11 = sec.

I decided to use an 11 string lute and use = the first 11 bars of music on page 11 of the Capirola manuscript as a = basis for improv. I just discovered tonight that this Capirola = manuscript became available online November 8 and is stunningly = beautiful. It was created around 1517 and can be downloaded/seen = here:
My video has a shot of the page I worked = from.


= --Apple-Mail-6--869291035-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 11 18:59:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73AAC18345D; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 18:59:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OFhy3x8OaA/0k3lALqp+NJIulBxy01VhRY3EkvVNmc4=; b=vNM6ABEUOZH3IEU1VFUK3RKcJ9RtXF1ffZyfpucNM7h4dfkr/9KBnlwk6wwV+m+XGM nvoROmjt14RsITfG8N62aLgz9ZPfEmzHhL1jrVfOY388aRUmzg0+L9sx3XnEyAt7Zh85 N2sMNRjF9u1+MyoUV8tWiC0KSYibSx+GYQPGk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <395B3DBB-D59E-498C-B57E-DB691588302E@sea.plala.or.jp> References: <395B3DBB-D59E-498C-B57E-DB691588302E@sea.plala.or.jp> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 19:59:26 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 11 11 11 From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 18:59:27 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for posting. Nice music, and totally elevenish! Per On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Ed Durbrow wrot= e: > =C2=A0It has been declared by someone to be Nigel Tufnel Day, after the > =C2=A0member of Spinal Tap with the special amplifier which "has eleven". > > Well, here is my 11 11 11 contribution. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dlue1h_tLIhQ > I tried to start my looping around 11:11 tonight. > I could not get sound into Mobius, as so often happens. Maybe the pressur= e > of TRYING caused it not to happen. I've only gotten Mobius to record a lo= op > a couple of times. There is usually something I can't figure out. So, I > tried to use my RC-02. The signal out of my preamp didn't seem to work wi= th > it, i.e. I couldn't get any sound, so I gave up with the live looping. > Please forgive me for making my loops in Logic Pro. Not exactly live-loop= ing > and not a whole lot of improvisation. I improvised a couple of tracks in = the > last third of the snippet. The first three tracks are all looped though. = The > tempo is 111 bpm and it lasts 1 min 11 sec. > I decided to use an 11 string lute and use the first 11 bars of music on > page 11 of the Capirola manuscript as a basis for improv. I just discover= ed > tonight that this Capirola manuscript became available online November 8 = and > is stunningly beautiful. It was created around 1517 and can be > downloaded/seen here: > http://ricercar.cesr.univ-tours.fr/3-programmes/EMN/luth/pages/actualites= .asp > My video has a shot of the page I worked from. > > Ed Durbrow > Saitama, Japan > http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ > http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 11 19:04:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0393E18345F; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 19:04:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 349609.82599.bm@omp1014.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1321038278; bh=gSHqdzy/3Hrk1Escr+4c7ywWk+cKYueqF+wRlwPcTz0=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Mailer; b=5RMRNJmhHKOJP/o++x4djCHeqidfGjSnwENgU/VVMP20LNbYl3J4Qj+uxV3onpRpJ9BxRvuW9lRNQPhjRqj7RvhDJsYkKwxf6iyrzqjcssC8iGV/KcprQbu85wQFTrUkIEXksAjMIyeqMJjRJgUd+cV20NpEub/v4gp4u6kG3C4= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: GmsAcd0VM1mekA1KYHMd8e8BVpu9J84Va9ZG89Hxvk7z1Jf GEJlrgtSbByoG0_kSsm2jnZSx0KNqFH3wIW5X3TjKRGya39YkKTiE..n7OzZ SRCujnMp.vOg8_uNUrriBxea6oO4pGooHH8BeGHlKlFZON0g5XWPs.6vbNmT ADAWbzziV0jZYhL82iiopOCTQGAh.SHPVvGofimCsO6Ed6hgkl9ILaccO6Hc _Nq7HcF_Gtf20h6wF_jv2b0eibb8qPBLwNZqTX8M1U9ur7iyQU3.iS3NbsAF CJSZNx4JzZWMMFq6Yak.WVHQwzzdDL7v5FxNqIdiCNaFwxG2exAX_1PZsGfr pTt1RmgRvm9byiKDjECYQXpy.njiNjQgNo3j6ZXeXkYekEuLcR5jnp6Q96Gw 3SWGQuhvJOjvsTa31i9__rUHrCM9jALGfZJaufdmHSBKeH.np0zoETTVAbqQ SeQA870GBLLqm5Ird88moeOj8E.vzUHe7WKznmdQ- X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F Message-Id: <71CDB238-6F7B-4467-99CD-7E80869EA2C2@carlsonarts.com> From: Michael Carlson Music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <395B3DBB-D59E-498C-B57E-DB691588302E@sea.plala.or.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: 11 11 11 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:04:37 -0800 References: <395B3DBB-D59E-498C-B57E-DB691588302E@sea.plala.or.jp> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <2vywEC.A.oJE.HHXvOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 19:04:39 +0000 (UTC) Less than 10 minutes left to 11am on 11/11/11 here in California - got a cold so I guess I'm going to miss this round of the looping project. Maybe in 12 hours. . .(sniff). Here is that clip of Nigel Tufnel if anyone wants to watch it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7IZZXQ89Oc&feature=fvsr Happy 11/11/11 day! Michael Carlson (TripleOhNine) (090909) (3x09) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 11 23:12:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A1B518345D; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 23:12:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=zKOfmOKeo5tneJSL5CdJpZdA4bKBGpFrH9O0KPegErY=; b=xZYYkEueUT8VN3OSw/HlZCv6UXYeOkDIiO2NDjlgTJi3j5KThV48kouIHGruKb+RCk 7op7D6nth/wSjooEZJqAeiENFFVMj8FcHmBvGCm2wOFY60Ps/U56bVopdRipfdYFz8Q3 gu+fbyOgZUPdA8x7Gh7h44M9Zh6dsU9VFvWoE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 00:12:06 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: h219Wy74ym8ZWUcu2PXAAgkHsqY Message-ID: Subject: 11,11,11 track report... To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3005104093760c04b17da71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 23:12:28 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3005104093760c04b17da71a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 OK I gave it a go... and didn't cheat.. but.. ha ha it turned out a bit shit!! ha ha! But with this kind of task, you get what happens right!! The interesting thing is that I ended up going for the weird out saving policy... happens all the time at pure improv shows, but funnily enough I never record this kind of thing.. You know, when the loops you are making that are supposed to be rhythmic, just dont gel... and jumping to next loop is just worse... , so the best policy is just ... STOP THE LOOP and start again.. but now, you have to go the weird route.. Oh !! and I ran over time by a few seconds, cos my computer (that I moved to a place where I could check the time, suddenly decided to pop up a window, telling me it couldnt complete the Time Machine Back-up.. blocking the fucking clock of course.. typical!! Im just gonna synch up the recording to some iphone filming I did of it, and post it anyway... but as I said at the start... its a bit shit!!! Mark -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf3005104093760c04b17da71a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK I gave it a go... and didn't cheat.. but.. ha ha it turned out a bit= shit!! ha ha!

But with this kind of task, you get what happens rig= ht!!
The interesting thing is that I ended up going for the weird out sa= ving policy... happens all the time at pure improv shows, but funnily enoug= h I never record this kind of thing.. You know, when the loops you are maki= ng that are supposed to be rhythmic, just dont gel... and jumping to next l= oop is just worse... , so the best policy is just ... STOP THE LOOP and sta= rt again.. but now, you have to go the weird route..

Oh !! and I ran over time by a few seconds, cos my computer (that I mov= ed to a place where I could check the time, suddenly decided to pop up a wi= ndow, telling me it couldnt complete the Time Machine Back-up.. blocking th= e fucking clock of course.. typical!!

Im just gonna synch up the recording to some iphone filming I did of it= , and post it anyway... but as I said at the start... its a bit shit!!!
=
Mark

--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--20cf3005104093760c04b17da71a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 00:07:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1AF77183452; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 00:07:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=2I4vKO3nrH97cZlbe3glC4oBeZrZWUu1EgQMOss5pIk=; b=Q8L5S+rUst0yG6jx2FfSlEnkshBS2WCfiTtY7vGP3ZYA62pbmi2OEEGuFNsOjIrH/1 RBbZTgmbCUjvFZbyYl406JghzP254IXczhzcwhWZVKrOD/wQ9RQ5sXM8ptlo+OtGDNJn vv1wY6c6JmZpxpKu7nwcYkvaNywt1GBWcGrcg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <395B3DBB-D59E-498C-B57E-DB691588302E@sea.plala.or.jp> References: <395B3DBB-D59E-498C-B57E-DB691588302E@sea.plala.or.jp> From: mark francombe Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 01:07:23 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: BUA2nEUn3-isxMMaGiGoLoEDlx8 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 11 11 11 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3011ded154b5ce04b17e6dd1 Resent-Message-ID: <88dN9.A.0nH.SjbvOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 00:07:46 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3011ded154b5ce04b17e6dd1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Oh my god Ed, I dream of being able to play an instrument like that... Reminds me of my childhood, my Father played music like this all the time, he probably still does.. Wonderful! Mark On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Ed Durbrow wrote: > It has been declared by someone to be Nigel Tufnel Day, after the > member of Spinal Tap with the special amplifier which "has eleven". > > Well, here is my 11 11 11 contribution. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lue1h_tLIhQ > > I tried to start my looping around 11:11 tonight. > I could not get sound into Mobius, as so often happens. Maybe the pressure > of TRYING caused it not to happen. I've only gotten Mobius to record a loop > a couple of times. There is usually something I can't figure out. So, I > tried to use my RC-02. The signal out of my preamp didn't seem to work with > it, i.e. I couldn't get any sound, so I gave up with the live looping. > Please forgive me for making my loops in Logic Pro. Not exactly > live-looping and not a whole lot of improvisation. I improvised a couple of > tracks in the last third of the snippet. The first three tracks are all > looped though. The tempo is 111 bpm and it lasts 1 min 11 sec. > > I decided to use an 11 string lute and use the first 11 bars of music on > page 11 of the Capirola manuscript as a basis for improv. I just discovered > tonight that this Capirola manuscript became available online November 8 > and is stunningly beautiful. It was created around 1517 and can be > downloaded/seen here: > > http://ricercar.cesr.univ-tours.fr/3-programmes/EMN/luth/pages/actualites.asp > My video has a shot of the page I worked from. > > > Ed Durbrow > Saitama, Japan > http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ > http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ > > > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf3011ded154b5ce04b17e6dd1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh my god Ed, I dream of being able to play an instrument like that... Remi= nds me of my childhood, my Father played music like this all the time, he p= robably still does..

Wonderful!

Mark



On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Ed Durbrow <edurbrow@sea.plala.or.jp> wrote:
=A0It has been declared by someone to b= e Nigel Tufnel Day, after the
=A0member of Spinal Tap with the special a= mplifier which "has eleven".

Well, here is= my 11 11 11 contribution.

<= div>I tried to start my looping around 11:11 tonight.=A0=A0
I cou= ld not get sound into Mobius, as so often happens. Maybe the pressure of TR= YING caused it not to happen. I've only gotten Mobius to record a loop = a couple of times. There is usually something I can't figure out. So, I= tried to use my RC-02. The signal out of my preamp didn't seem to work= with it, i.e. I couldn't get any sound, so I gave up with the live loo= ping. Please forgive me for making my loops in Logic Pro. Not exactly live-= looping and not a whole lot of improvisation. I improvised a couple of trac= ks in the last third of the snippet. The first three tracks are all looped = though. The tempo is 111 bpm and it lasts 1 min 11 sec.

I decided to use an 11 string lute and use the first 11= bars of music on page 11 of the Capirola manuscript as a basis for improv.= I just discovered tonight that this Capirola manuscript became available o= nline November 8 and is stunningly beautiful. It was created around 1517 an= d can be downloaded/seen here:
My video has a shot = of the page I worked from.


Ed Durbrow
Saitama, = Japan






--
Mark Francombe=
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--20cf3011ded154b5ce04b17e6dd1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 01:59:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A17BD183461; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 01:59:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ZKSrBjDvpT4soaaaCY1yUfQrvEZr+fjH4Rds7Wg1+0g=; b=w2Qi9DyfnPTvFEy3Z/eWATcXI8woTVCasIAvfWumJQpdXR8rs+Om5tXL6i8DbEo06Z AvoXP0UYjQpwwrLY9YpyP816Nz0FbrMpeV8fy2uJG9LLGmX4jYD5KLD72CccSo70PuuR my2WrfY9f+b0W3sLmgLFlnGMI3Q0AHLcYb7+I= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 02:59:41 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 11,11,11 track report... From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ra=FCl_Bonell?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 01:59:42 +0000 (UTC) had to be filmed? i didn't know :( 2011/11/12, mark francombe : > OK I gave it a go... and didn't cheat.. but.. ha ha it turned out a bit > shit!! ha ha! > > But with this kind of task, you get what happens right!! > The interesting thing is that I ended up going for the weird out saving > policy... happens all the time at pure improv shows, but funnily enough I > never record this kind of thing.. You know, when the loops you are making > that are supposed to be rhythmic, just dont gel... and jumping to next loop > is just worse... , so the best policy is just ... STOP THE LOOP and start > again.. but now, you have to go the weird route.. > > Oh !! and I ran over time by a few seconds, cos my computer (that I moved > to a place where I could check the time, suddenly decided to pop up a > window, telling me it couldnt complete the Time Machine Back-up.. blocking > the fucking clock of course.. typical!! > > Im just gonna synch up the recording to some iphone filming I did of it, > and post it anyway... but as I said at the start... its a bit shit!!! > > Mark > > -- > *Mark Francombe* > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > -- .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your imagination, they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. Kim Flint .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 02:13:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A36FA18345E; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 02:13:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2603 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 02:13:17 UTC Message-ID: <001201cca0da$9a63fae0$22ba664d@eced5194571a442> From: "Steve Moyes" To: References: <395B3DBB-D59E-498C-B57E-DB691588302E@sea.plala.or.jp> Subject: Re: 11 11 11 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 01:30:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3664 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=R50lirqlHffDPPkwUlkuVa99MrvKdVWo//yz83qex8g= c=1 sm=0 a=3NElcqgl2aoA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=FX_wCI7fAAAA:8 a=fusXdD0LAAAA:8 a=bKOipjDUAAAA:8 a=gB28bEPOAAAA:8 a=VFLBUs1HAAAA:8 a=ZgFmqT6sAAAA:8 a=EzJUUNTIAAAA:8 a=JAralIE_AAAA:8 a=Sm9XmOwzYII7rmL0EQQA:9 a=ojawHR-85wa3IxPclAkA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=Oc6Nz7UZm5IA:10 a=f2NaAAVcle0A:10 a=bjRf2gj323cA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Resent-Message-ID: <0I-FoB.A.fGB.-YdvOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 02:13:18 +0000 (UTC) That's great Ed, I really enjoyed it! I wish it had been longer... I'll look forward to hearing Mark's effort and others tomorrow. I recorded an 11(ish) minute piece which turned out pretty awful, but I'll probably post it anyway, but not now - it's time for some sleep. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: mark francombe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 12:07 AM Subject: Re: 11 11 11 Oh my god Ed, I dream of being able to play an instrument like that... Reminds me of my childhood, my Father played music like this all the time, he probably still does.. Wonderful! Mark On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Ed Durbrow wrote: It has been declared by someone to be Nigel Tufnel Day, after the member of Spinal Tap with the special amplifier which "has eleven". Well, here is my 11 11 11 contribution. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lue1h_tLIhQ I tried to start my looping around 11:11 tonight. I could not get sound into Mobius, as so often happens. Maybe the pressure of TRYING caused it not to happen. I've only gotten Mobius to record a loop a couple of times. There is usually something I can't figure out. So, I tried to use my RC-02. The signal out of my preamp didn't seem to work with it, i.e. I couldn't get any sound, so I gave up with the live looping. Please forgive me for making my loops in Logic Pro. Not exactly live-looping and not a whole lot of improvisation. I improvised a couple of tracks in the last third of the snippet. The first three tracks are all looped though. The tempo is 111 bpm and it lasts 1 min 11 sec. I decided to use an 11 string lute and use the first 11 bars of music on page 11 of the Capirola manuscript as a basis for improv. I just discovered tonight that this Capirola manuscript became available online November 8 and is stunningly beautiful. It was created around 1517 and can be downloaded/seen here: http://ricercar.cesr.univ-tours.fr/3-programmes/EMN/luth/pages/actualites.asp My video has a shot of the page I worked from. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- Mark Francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 06:27:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36FD8183460; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 06:27:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=Y/XVnPEBLuMQkDu/Nr0SBobvRd5qe0UhooeR5xr8JUY=; b=GnZ5Kj/RQg86NZgsyl1PGDSS9QT1PeEjNM9tCoUIAuRhffdQ4Cfr2cDNueyMpsB+DP oxxMJRaLXPqhsfAseocF81Sr/zreqKeoRxCs7tv5/UCv1bEDarIUZmEP1a2gQFuup4kG VA/kCi3CUoomOBx4hHOGqWSqfaOXwVdZ+hlgg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 07:26:52 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ArzQ1mjpOk4MXb_fey2cwZPM8YI Message-ID: Subject: Re: 11,11,11 track report... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0444ed1968885504b183ba3d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 06:27:14 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0444ed1968885504b183ba3d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable no-one said it had to be filmed... On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 2:59 AM, Ra=FCl Bonell wrot= e: > had to be filmed? i didn't know :( > > 2011/11/12, mark francombe : > > OK I gave it a go... and didn't cheat.. but.. ha ha it turned out a bit > > shit!! ha ha! > > > > But with this kind of task, you get what happens right!! > > The interesting thing is that I ended up going for the weird out saving > > policy... happens all the time at pure improv shows, but funnily enough= I > > never record this kind of thing.. You know, when the loops you are maki= ng > > that are supposed to be rhythmic, just dont gel... and jumping to next > loop > > is just worse... , so the best policy is just ... STOP THE LOOP and sta= rt > > again.. but now, you have to go the weird route.. > > > > Oh !! and I ran over time by a few seconds, cos my computer (that I mov= ed > > to a place where I could check the time, suddenly decided to pop up a > > window, telling me it couldnt complete the Time Machine Back-up.. > blocking > > the fucking clock of course.. typical!! > > > > Im just gonna synch up the recording to some iphone filming I did of it= , > > and post it anyway... but as I said at the start... its a bit shit!!! > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > *Mark Francombe* > > www.markfrancombe.com > > www.ordoabkhao.com > > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > > http://www.looop.no > > twitter @markfrancombe > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > > > > -- > > .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-= .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. > Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your > imagination, > they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. > For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. > In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. > In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. > > Kim Flint > .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. > raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com > > --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d0444ed1968885504b183ba3d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable no-one said it had to be filmed...

On Sat= , Nov 12, 2011 at 2:59 AM, Ra=FCl Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:
had to be filmed? i didn't know :(

2011/11/12, mark francombe <ma= rk@markfrancombe.com>:
> OK I gave it a go... and didn't cheat.. but.. ha= ha it turned out a bit
> shit!! ha ha!
>
> But with this kind of task, you get what happens right!!
> The interesting thing is that I ended up going for the weird out savin= g
> policy... happens all the time at pure improv shows, but funnily enoug= h I
> never record this kind of thing.. You know, when the loops you are mak= ing
> that are supposed to be rhythmic, just dont gel... and jumping to next= loop
> is just worse... , so the best policy is just ... STOP THE LOOP and st= art
> again.. but now, you have to go the weird route..
>
> Oh !! and I ran over time by a few seconds, cos my computer (that I mo= ved
> to a place where I could check the time, suddenly decided to pop up a<= br> > window, telling me it couldnt complete the Time Machine Back-up.. bloc= king
> the fucking clock of course.. typical!!
>
> Im just gonna synch up the recording to some iphone filming I did of i= t,
> and post it anyway... but as I said at the start... its a bit shit!!!<= br> >
> Mark
>
> --
> *Mark Francombe*
> www.markfrancombe.com
> www.ordoabkhao= .com
> http://vimeo= .com/user825094
> http://www.looop.no<= /a>
> twitter @markfrancombe
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
>


--
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Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your
imagination,
they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group.
For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others.
In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant.

Kim Flint
.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
raulbonell.tumbl= r.com - collective.= com




--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--f46d0444ed1968885504b183ba3d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 06:33:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3948C183461; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 06:33:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=KH/5gDpmk+XrNXAcpj7FNoy4ihGXLpkulfbFjlW+Bk8=; b=qQPSUxQAuE/rkq3rW7MKSJJptZ2HrhGuF7d1jCxN9AskCDBsU3gvcFL9yylB7Csrh2 EuRZH81i5CdMGYOLLBkptWmI6Q6Z/CZVEk50hpkJJqYk1X0IriemOwpMsk6Djq+QChUK 3nVi7kgjtv5UAvT9/16+EPnw1DMuwaOh9zTZc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 01:33:39 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: the 111111 project From: Jim Goodin To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec501673f75fb0904b183d119 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 06:33:41 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec501673f75fb0904b183d119 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was not straight on the spec on the 111111 project that I thought Rick had proposed but had planned to participate. I just did a track and posted on the LD FB wall thinking that was where the content was slated but also posting to the email thread. This was solo improvised mandolin, heavy reverse and trying for 11 beats to the meter, I say trying. Slipping in as didn't get to record till a bit ago now on the 12th. 1:11 after 11/11/11 Jim --=20 *From Brooklyn To Glindran*, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com --bcaec501673f75fb0904b183d119 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was not straight on the spec on the 111111 project that I thought Rick ha= d proposed but had planned to participate. =A0I just did a track and posted= on the LD FB wall thinking that was where the content was slated but also = posting to the email thread. =A0

This was solo improvised mandolin, heavy reverse and trying = for 11 beats to the meter, I say trying. =A0Slipping in as didn't get t= o record till a bit ago now on the 12th.


Jim

--
From Brooklyn To Glindr= an, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn.= =A0 Proceeds
from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.= =A0 j= imgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.

woo= dandwiremusic.wordpress.com
--bcaec501673f75fb0904b183d119-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 08:39:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15759183460; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 08:39:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EBE30AE.1030905@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 00:39:10 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: 11/11/11 bummer with apologies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 08:39:18 +0000 (UTC) Ahhhhh, Rick Walker here. I'm really bummed to admit it, but in the recording of my 11/11/11 piece tonight 1) my sound went completely out, inexplicably, after 5 minutes 2) my digital recorder, having only a 2 minute test piece in it is suddenly reading memory full, so no recording occurred. 3) my video camera stopped working in the middle of the piece for no apparent reason........it has plenty of batteries and plenty of memory. 4) when the sound came back on, suddenly the volume dropped to half for no apparent reason. I stopped.......turned it back up and two minutes later it went to half volume again. All systems showing that there is plenty of signal, nothing malfuntioning that I can ascertain. Soooooooo, Maha came over and did a really beautiful loopy cam to what I was trying to play unsuccessfully and we got a recording of that. I also composed and practised a special piece just for tonight. Soooooo, when I get over my emotional let down (which is considerable) I will get up tomorrow or the next day and try to rerecord the piece in the spirit of the event though my timeing will be one day off and I'll put Maha's video piece to it. The piece is composed and in a set tempo in 11/8 so I should easily be able to syncrhonize my recording to Maha's beautiful videos. My apologies, I am deeply bummed out about it, but that's life. At least I came up with a cool piece of music which I'll definitely record and put onto an album coming up. I hope everyone had a great 11/11/11 Thanks for participating. Sorry I don't have anything to contribute today. Yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 10:31:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78D2018345E; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 10:31:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 690309125/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.181.24/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.181.24 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApcBAIhKvk5V0rUY/2dsb2JhbAAMNac/hWYBAQEDAThABgsLIRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBh34IqEeMZoZqgxUEmVWMUg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,499,1315177200"; d="scan'208";a="690309125" Message-ID: <4EBE4AF5.5010003@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 10:31:17 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 11 11 11 References: <395B3DBB-D59E-498C-B57E-DB691588302E@sea.plala.or.jp> In-Reply-To: <395B3DBB-D59E-498C-B57E-DB691588302E@sea.plala.or.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 10:31:16 +0000 (UTC) :-) Lucky the 11 bars worked so well. andy (shame it's in German tab) Ed Durbrow wrote: > Well, here is my 11 11 11 contribution. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lue1h_tLIhQ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 10:37:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5E2F18345F; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 10:37:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+qGgZvIRh5lHA6XTWkLDPRlMM7tgLza0IOx2rrrLBWI=; b=kYUTnFLWhz8yLhxqAPFFik0bnsCmfGOPW2IPojic0AIDtLQnVbLCFlApS6+8GtOAt2 4ua1ygzU8fLDKFkJfcEb+EGxg9STXKby5nvjRQRkmkgfnHDWf6VXfZtnXVEvK6qeiGtW 0WrLxqusqYmQFp+/dcTU316vT5NVYkQdzGsDE= Message-ID: <4EBE4C65.8050206@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 11:37:25 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 11 11 11 References: <395B3DBB-D59E-498C-B57E-DB691588302E@sea.plala.or.jp> <4EBE4AF5.5010003@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4EBE4AF5.5010003@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 10:37:30 +0000 (UTC) andy butler schrieb: > :-) Lucky the 11 bars worked so well. > > andy > > (shame it's in German tab) Oh, come on, we all read your English mailing lists and don't complain, so reading some German tab shouldn't be too much to ask in return. ;) What is "German tab"? Do you refer to those symbols above the tab-thingie, or what makes it German? Rainer -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 11:02:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1017183461; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 11:02:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 696928784/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.181.24/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.181.24 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApcBANtRvk5V0rUY/2dsb2JhbAAMNqc/hWYBAQEEODYKEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBvTiGaoMVBJlVjFI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,499,1315177200"; d="scan'208";a="696928784" Message-ID: <4EBE5258.5030503@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 11:02:48 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 11 11 11 References: <395B3DBB-D59E-498C-B57E-DB691588302E@sea.plala.or.jp> <4EBE4AF5.5010003@tiscali.co.uk> <4EBE4C65.8050206@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <4EBE4C65.8050206@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3Ly9Y.A.yTG.XJlvOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 11:02:47 +0000 (UTC) hi Rainer, well, I expect Ed would know better than me, but... German tab, compared to the more commonly used French tab, uses numbers instead of letters for the fret, which isn't a problem. ...but the string order is reversed, with the bass at the top, which makes it effectively impossible to play from if you're used to French tab. The symbols above the the "tab thingy" denote the rhythm, just like notes on a score with the lump on the end which shows the pitch removed. To play lute tab on a guitar, tune the G string down to F#. andy Rainer Straschill wrote: > andy butler schrieb: >> :-) Lucky the 11 bars worked so well. >> >> andy >> >> (shame it's in German tab) > Oh, come on, we all read your English mailing lists and don't complain, > so reading some German tab shouldn't be too much to ask in return. ;) > > What is "German tab"? Do you refer to those symbols above the > tab-thingie, or what makes it German? > > Rainer > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 11:23:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F76E183460; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 11:23:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=UrzEHgRORCmytdsyp4cGSWC4xUgBdqgHX8V5ZQ7bsjA=; b=al8WCP/Hz6nhzXaGUZvWYaJDqfGDvgNUCQaNVp+MSWNYzupI3lbFuITjp9RDCLIFWq uINFkqQO/hcL9Ld5RtIUcYoN7nMKkahZ3kNxFNFofvR1vdHs/2n0Yc5ET0A+2irJDctD eAkz4Er1Ee8bLbu1rva999lrvepUyi2kEIgqY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4EBE30AE.1030905@cruzio.com> References: <4EBE30AE.1030905@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 12:23:01 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 11/11/11 bummer with apologies From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 11:23:03 +0000 (UTC) Well i recorded an acoustic voice thing on my EDP at 11.00PM yesterday as well but did not record the process, though it must have taken more than 11 min to arrive to the idea,which is only a bit over one minute is basically composed of 3 loops and recorded the sequences by switching loops back and fort creating a compostiion does it still count ? if it does where would ypu like me to upload it for you to hear it? thanx Luis On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > Ahhhhh, Rick Walker here. > > =A0I'm really bummed to admit it, but in the recording of my 11/11/11 pie= ce > tonight > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 1) =A0my sound went completely out, inexplica= bly, after 5 > minutes > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 2) =A0my digital recorder, having only a 2 mi= nute test piece in > it > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0is suddenly reading memory full, s= o no recording > occurred. > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 3) =A0my video camera stopped working in the = middle of the piece > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0for no apparent reason........it h= as plenty of batteries > and > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0plenty of memory. > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 4) =A0when the sound came back on, =A0suddenl= y the volume dropped > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 to half for no apparent reason. = =A0 =A0 I > stopped.......turned it back up > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 and two minutes later it went to = half volume again. > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 All systems showing that there is= plenty of signal, > nothing > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 malfuntioning that I can ascertain. > > Soooooooo, =A0 =A0Maha came over and did a really beautiful loopy cam to = what I > was trying to play unsuccessfully and we got a recording of that. > > I also composed and practised a special piece just for tonight. > > Soooooo, =A0when I get over my emotional let down (which is considerable) > I will get up tomorrow or the next day and try to rerecord the piece in t= he > spirit of the event though my timeing will be one day off and I'll put > Maha's > video piece to it. =A0 =A0The piece is composed and in a set tempo in 11/= 8 so I > should easily be able to syncrhonize my recording to Maha's beautiful > videos. > > My apologies, =A0I am deeply bummed out about it, but that's life. > At least I came up with a cool piece of music which I'll definitely recor= d > and put onto an album coming up. > > I hope everyone had a great 11/11/11 > > Thanks for participating. =A0 Sorry I don't have anything to contribute t= oday. > > Yours, =A0Rick Walker > > --=20 www.luis-angulo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 11:26:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35C40183460; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 11:26:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=rAtgf7vc4fqpoxIiB9p7aKswwfaWLDGyM38RHQtSQxw=; b=N0G3lcnDLrlWSFz7QPE1INwNViEjK5aLC4hZt0rahL9WADYfPFMnzVS9j9fPVtboGg lJFIk3apmTgLgbfbfJWCZsCTnWmKlpukFUBBcQXTP+T++QqjohjznuPMPBKYzUys9xaN KuVkJTa3oGqVa195i3nX2C8bKfLqNVjWQ+k/k= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <395B3DBB-D59E-498C-B57E-DB691588302E@sea.plala.or.jp> References: <395B3DBB-D59E-498C-B57E-DB691588302E@sea.plala.or.jp> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 12:26:04 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 11 11 11 From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 11:26:06 +0000 (UTC) wonderful ed! On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Ed Durbrow wrot= e: > =A0It has been declared by someone to be Nigel Tufnel Day, after the > =A0member of Spinal Tap with the special amplifier which "has eleven". > > Well, here is my 11 11 11 contribution. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dlue1h_tLIhQ > I tried to start my looping around 11:11 tonight. > I could not get sound into Mobius, as so often happens. Maybe the pressur= e > of TRYING caused it not to happen. I've only gotten Mobius to record a lo= op > a couple of times. There is usually something I can't figure out. So, I > tried to use my RC-02. The signal out of my preamp didn't seem to work wi= th > it, i.e. I couldn't get any sound, so I gave up with the live looping. > Please forgive me for making my loops in Logic Pro. Not exactly live-loop= ing > and not a whole lot of improvisation. I improvised a couple of tracks in = the > last third of the snippet. The first three tracks are all looped though. = The > tempo is 111 bpm and it lasts 1 min 11 sec. > I decided to use an 11 string lute and use the first 11 bars of music on > page 11 of the Capirola manuscript as a basis for improv. I just discover= ed > tonight that this Capirola manuscript became available online November 8 = and > is stunningly beautiful. It was created around 1517 and can be > downloaded/seen here: > http://ricercar.cesr.univ-tours.fr/3-programmes/EMN/luth/pages/actualites= .asp > My video has a shot of the page I worked from. > > Ed Durbrow > Saitama, Japan > http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ > http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ > > > --=20 www.luis-angulo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 11:27:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 897BA183461; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 11:27:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Qu+YUDnd2wYK3i4FmSJtwSHISSuGQkM/7mEazqDckwQ=; b=Pc3DUxaEXDaz5+6hpR2ndNwaMHBaHmHMxM+jUcnYMY44HcyrZBCiWP/vqEFWWg998j 2jE8EN29iPoB6CjS05BMmBuB7+bNi5XMnS9JXKcrgsFKmq9rv6F2v7pZT8ksPeGqBNNi Osm8XlB0ubQ2qkjIXCH7VM59UoQhDaN10Gt9w= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 12:27:17 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: the 111111 project From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <_FmNED.A.LvG.WglvOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 11:27:18 +0000 (UTC) very nice Jim!! Luis On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Jim Goodin wrot= e: > I was not straight on the spec on the 111111 project that I thought Rick = had > proposed but had planned to participate. =A0I just did a track and posted= on > the LD FB wall thinking that was where the content was slated but also > posting to the email thread. > This was solo improvised mandolin, heavy reverse and trying for 11 beats = to > the meter, I say trying. =A0Slipping in as didn't get to record till a bi= t ago > now on the 12th. > 1:11 after 11/11/11 > Jim > > -- > From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin = & > Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds > from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. > jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. > > woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com > --=20 www.luis-angulo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 12:16:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88A0C18345F; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 12:16:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=rWVTRY79VD7e7wK6LAtBd2nwjhuuizHh2TY8SA23Nls=; b=c7UtHWU+Z3LKFaAeczXDjCDe6RbqchLm43CTKX+s9hTW6KSad7YkPYGgMAaJuMJgxH eEEf4cfvUOh2/fDWkfiXPrqTTBb9DE2GvciWl36sFlZ9l8RVJ5Gs10ncDseh7eZPCGxj jvG7vsDFH/ZYpCBdYQV2YrKPraOq3TZ0/QVdY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 14:16:50 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: the 111111 project From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151773e0e4be50fb04b1889c67 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 12:16:51 +0000 (UTC) --00151773e0e4be50fb04b1889c67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think I put mine on the SoundCloud, thought they would be some kind of collective bandcamp-page etc, but this is just fine! Thanks Jim for your piece! 2011/11/12 Louie Angulo > very nice Jim!! > Luis > > On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Jim Goodin > wrote: > > I was not straight on the spec on the 111111 project that I thought Ric= k > had > > proposed but had planned to participate. I just did a track and posted > on > > the LD FB wall thinking that was where the content was slated but also > > posting to the email thread. > > This was solo improvised mandolin, heavy reverse and trying for 11 beat= s > to > > the meter, I say trying. Slipping in as didn't get to record till a bi= t > ago > > now on the 12th. > > 1:11 after 11/11/11 > > Jim > > > > -- > > From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodi= n > & > > Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds > > from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. > > jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. > > > > woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com > > > > > > -- > www.luis-angulo.com > > --=20 Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com --00151773e0e4be50fb04b1889c67 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think I put mine on the SoundCloud, thought they would be some kind of co= llective
bandcamp-page etc, but this is just fine!
Thanks Jim for you= r piece!

2011/11/12 Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@g= ooglemail.com>
very nice Jim!!
Luis

On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was not straight on the spec on the 111111 project that I thought Ri= ck had
> proposed but had planned to participate. =A0I just did a track and pos= ted on
> the LD FB wall thinking that was where the content was slated but also=
> posting to the email thread.
> This was solo improvised mandolin, heavy reverse and trying for 11 bea= ts to
> the meter, I say trying. =A0Slipping in as didn't get to record ti= ll a bit ago
> now on the 12th.
> 1:11 after 11/11/11
> Jim
>
> --
> From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Good= in &
> Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds
> from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.
> = jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.
>
> wo= odandwiremusic.wordpress.com
>



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--00151773e0e4be50fb04b1889c67-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 12:45:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA229183461; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 12:45:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Xn2bmQXuqdw6x+fRbz3ajolHQceo/k0g6SHSeJ1OOAs=; b=J0OfQcNLewAj9oF66WVOexHlq6rtVbL9gXSz5lfS44o/8fIQjitYbXJTHV54n3w23p dolbuaXYnr3KHO7CSJxro+YPQW37d1LBJN9UhXTSecfj7ocrhxiLYQT1kj97Q/qAUC9g qkQDPaOjGHC0lGQuowGBaXcPShkhNA1JA4d28= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 12:45:32 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: the 111111 project From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 12:45:33 +0000 (UTC) yeah, i didn't know there was supposed to be video as well. is anybody setting up a bandcamp page for this? also - if anybody wants their submission mastered, i'd be happy to do it. just upload the full res file somewhere and let me know sim On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > I think I put mine on the SoundCloud, thought they would be some kind of > collective > bandcamp-page etc, but this is just fine! > Thanks Jim for your piece! > > 2011/11/12 Louie Angulo >> >> very nice Jim!! >> Luis >> >> On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Jim Goodin >> wrote: >> > I was not straight on the spec on the 111111 project that I thought Ri= ck >> > had >> > proposed but had planned to participate. =A0I just did a track and pos= ted >> > on >> > the LD FB wall thinking that was where the content was slated but also >> > posting to the email thread. >> > This was solo improvised mandolin, heavy reverse and trying for 11 bea= ts >> > to >> > the meter, I say trying. =A0Slipping in as didn't get to record till a= bit >> > ago >> > now on the 12th. >> > 1:11 after 11/11/11 >> > Jim >> > >> > -- >> > From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Good= in >> > & >> > Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds >> > from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. >> > jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. >> > >> > woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> www.luis-angulo.com >> > > > > -- > Petri Lahtinen > > http://www.petrilahtinen.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 12:51:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EAD51183462; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 12:51:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=E69CCZpg1eOY/UVS2GxJLvlWqrC71Yn9NAX6aHIBCn4=; b=SHo4mHH1FpEFHZStsJdfkpLmRih12RhGhrJaMpRGwGrz/A0KgiWiNFe8IMfJ3VNtvV C7V65wZnakz/v+kd+jMeRWn+M4FQ7sa+sfehP3f3uZxZKgueOYQL66RcmR6G60+H4Sxl HFRSsvmvSTnZ59zHFNn3wiJzF6ZLm74jumsnw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4EBE5258.5030503@tiscali.co.uk> References: <395B3DBB-D59E-498C-B57E-DB691588302E@sea.plala.or.jp> <4EBE4AF5.5010003@tiscali.co.uk> <4EBE4C65.8050206@googlemail.com> <4EBE5258.5030503@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 05:51:15 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 11 11 11 From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 12:51:17 +0000 (UTC) Best explanation of German tab in less than a book I've ever seen. Nice piece, nicely played. Best, Dennis http://soundcloud.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 4:02 AM, andy butler wrote= : > hi Rainer, > well, I expect Ed would know better than me, but... > > German tab, compared to the more commonly > used French tab, uses numbers instead of letters for the fret, which isn'= t a > problem. > ...but the string order is reversed, with the bass at the top, > which makes it effectively impossible to play from > if you're used to French tab. > > The symbols above the the "tab thingy" denote the rhythm, > just like notes on a score with the lump on the end > which shows the pitch removed. > > To play lute tab on a guitar, tune the G string down to F#. > > andy > > > > > > > > Rainer Straschill wrote: >> >> andy butler schrieb: >>> >>> :-) Lucky the 11 bars worked so well. >>> >>> andy >>> >>> (shame it's in German tab) >> >> Oh, come on, we all read your English mailing lists and don't complain, = so >> reading some German tab shouldn't be too much to ask in return. ;) >> >> What is "German tab"? Do you refer to those symbols above the tab-thingi= e, >> or what makes it German? >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Rainer >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 13:31:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFA2F183466; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 13:31:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=U9CTO9q3yoVSMeB44y7a9yDKL0qBB5I9CLUR+hT/+gs=; b=VPtR+z/oZ8fjeXEvVE0e7w14t6eTPcuNCkDyuwMQQZ32I1zxmqJ6j0YvB97Vn3EEVo 7ZN3bpWc1JN+hcz9nrQ9GAedXxgr2L4EQbd7rm6vW9Ug3D/R5whu4wgCnoqWKkbK/wzP mAIbn7RLxqm3Y+8/q7ZIikRuw3CkYLuSAXcjo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 14:31:31 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 11,11,11 track report... From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ra=FCl_Bonell?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 13:31:33 +0000 (UTC) ah thanks! mark. to whom we send the tracks when ready? walkers? michaels? 2011/11/12, mark francombe : > no-one said it had to be filmed... > > On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 2:59 AM, Ra=FCl Bonell wr= ote: > >> had to be filmed? i didn't know :( >> >> 2011/11/12, mark francombe : >> > OK I gave it a go... and didn't cheat.. but.. ha ha it turned out a bi= t >> > shit!! ha ha! >> > >> > But with this kind of task, you get what happens right!! >> > The interesting thing is that I ended up going for the weird out savin= g >> > policy... happens all the time at pure improv shows, but funnily enoug= h >> > I >> > never record this kind of thing.. You know, when the loops you are >> > making >> > that are supposed to be rhythmic, just dont gel... and jumping to next >> loop >> > is just worse... , so the best policy is just ... STOP THE LOOP and >> > start >> > again.. but now, you have to go the weird route.. >> > >> > Oh !! and I ran over time by a few seconds, cos my computer (that I >> > moved >> > to a place where I could check the time, suddenly decided to pop up a >> > window, telling me it couldnt complete the Time Machine Back-up.. >> blocking >> > the fucking clock of course.. typical!! >> > >> > Im just gonna synch up the recording to some iphone filming I did of i= t, >> > and post it anyway... but as I said at the start... its a bit shit!!! >> > >> > Mark >> > >> > -- >> > *Mark Francombe* >> > www.markfrancombe.com >> > www.ordoabkhao.com >> > http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> > http://www.looop.no >> > twitter @markfrancombe >> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >> > >> >> >> -- >> >> .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.= -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. >> Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your >> imagination, >> they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. >> For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated= . >> In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. >> In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. >> >> Kim Flint >> .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. >> raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com >> >> > > > -- > *Mark Francombe* > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > --=20 .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-= .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your imagination, they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. Kim Flint .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 13:48:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92EA3183475; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 13:48:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=LW0xB8WNnXejZjsMn6BOlsBLzVvHtyEddCqDjx3Kcro=; b=nerwARWSWdA7WrunO2pCTgybhhNd7/CJc+9Vtas4dZQ3opxqiMgqoR9YugzZzcrIcG f8yj1EF22tNxX8PRzwG/WpBpiio6KOHrFkq2Gp71B0xahXOySppkwvQ1Yte9t6itUlYt YO0H81xX8/HKtuhzJaIH/HzprOQpwGqafrPZI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4EBE30AE.1030905@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 14:48:15 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 11/11/11 bummer with apologies From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ra=FCl_Bonell?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <9bgN5C.A.Tl.hknvOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 13:48:17 +0000 (UTC) i did a touch guitar (+ loops but no fx except rvb) 11 min. improv at 11 a.m. & another at 11 p.m. against 55.50 & 111 bpm clicks and mixed them straight. i need to master the result yet. where to upload it when ready? thanks! ra=FCl. --=20 .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-= .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your imagination, they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. Kim Flint .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 16:21:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93F90183478; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 16:21:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 819725.64617.bm@omp1022.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1321114912; bh=5BXG8pyNzspLexH8hy+hClYqulTtQdhsmKllHnZ+P6M=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Mailer; b=T+6Bor7Dw+WHJJSlg8DP9iMIJGPMEofEXxyCDKP8PW+aTM41zUB1FuSCF9w/lT0sZrWDqKsKowkRcK+Z7VfcCNAYCfCFGW8z96sv3advfYcKhi/4NfvdUcntS5b1bwsVDDkS/VfZBhUa3MGUx6j6pxSaJCFFGs/G9/6wFqOhj6Y= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: ZggG6xQVM1nj6dywu5KB7yXKePCz.hoxaoircss3Y6KlJmt EhFlsA16uAkkQ3nxneDLHeP8I_ZZsPuYMBNfw1i8T_4V2vz37iY_Yw.cwChW xI2AUZQevH90e.rouOjEQklENqSM2oVviZE9pgcA1X62NTX_yoHLTRewvmI4 LkCoPtMiK64piNtSxhVsSM3uo4SzpexYbo7iBYyJa9NXZA.uzbmXGRIw4B_J atZT6fWq3GBKQhRYksqh37PFEP0TF1SLjmFGRHw_MbkIx4mODEmTLtdJ214B afbdMT.Q9TeNKtYqteVT7I94xkdvvi91h13ACHBqPlcoM.5OnpcJPuFdBfy3 l3UvEpzQRR7nu9S0qFKcl0Dmj5DKPaf20FX92abp1d.wtV.pCkZ8KNCwiPIL i X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F Message-Id: <7F34816A-DD2E-43A9-BD05-330DB40384BB@carlsonarts.com> From: Michael Carlson Music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4EBE30AE.1030905@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: 11/11/11 bummer with apologies Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 08:21:50 -0800 References: <4EBE30AE.1030905@cruzio.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 16:21:54 +0000 (UTC) Well, I set up my looper and was ready to record, but since I couldn't sing I am "delaying" my looping as well. Don't feel too bad, Rick, even with all your technical glitches, its not nearly as epic a fail as Spinal Tap's "Stone Henge" incident. Remember the midget? Peace, Michael (TripleOhNine) On Nov 12, 2011, at 12:39 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > Ahhhhh, Rick Walker here. > > I'm really bummed to admit it, but in the recording of my 11/11/11 > piece tonight > 1) my sound went completely out, inexplicably, after > 5 minutes > 2) my digital recorder, having only a 2 minute test > piece in it > is suddenly reading memory full, so no recording > occurred. > 3) my video camera stopped working in the middle of > the piece > for no apparent reason........it has plenty of > batteries and > plenty of memory. > 4) when the sound came back on, suddenly the volume > dropped > to half for no apparent reason. I > stopped.......turned it back up > and two minutes later it went to half volume > again. > All systems showing that there is plenty of > signal, nothing > malfuntioning that I can ascertain. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 17:09:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A353183465; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:09:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: Ed Durbrow To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4EBE4AF5.5010003@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--786846778 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: 11 11 11 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 02:08:56 +0900 References: <395B3DBB-D59E-498C-B57E-DB691588302E@sea.plala.or.jp> <4EBE4AF5.5010003@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-VirusScan: Outbound; msa03b; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 02:08:57 +0900 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:09:01 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--786846778 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 12, 2011, at 7:31 PM, andy butler wrote: > :-) Lucky the 11 bars worked so well. Yes, that was lucky. The whole thing was spur of the moment since I washed out trying to use Mobius. > (shame it's in German tab) It's in Italian tab. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ --Apple-Mail-1--786846778 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Nov 12, 2011, = at 7:31 PM, andy butler wrote:

:-) Lucky the = 11 bars worked so well.

Yes, = that was lucky. The whole thing was spur of the moment since I washed = out trying to use Mobius.

(shame it's = in German tab)

It's in Italian = tab.

= --Apple-Mail-1--786846778-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 17:27:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14C49183465; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:27:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <3C106A62-B782-457E-81C0-86962F7DD348@sea.plala.or.jp> From: Ed Durbrow To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4EBE5258.5030503@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--785747612 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: 11 11 11 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 02:27:15 +0900 References: <395B3DBB-D59E-498C-B57E-DB691588302E@sea.plala.or.jp> <4EBE4AF5.5010003@tiscali.co.uk> <4EBE4C65.8050206@googlemail.com> <4EBE5258.5030503@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-VirusScan: Outbound; msa02b; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 02:27:16 +0900 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:27:19 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--785747612 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That was a pretty good explanation Andy. It is probably of little interest, but I'd just like to clarify one thing. What you describe as German tab is actually Italian tab. It is like looking in a mirror so the highest sounding string is closest to the floor. It really isn't hard to get used to and not that hard to switch back and forth between French and Italian tab. German tab is basically different. It has a different cypher for every note, whereas French and Italian have the same characters on every string for a common fret. There are no lines representing strings in German tab either. There are numerous advantages to tab. That is why it was so popular for 250+ years. It is easier to read than notation and takes up less space. Another advantage is that you can play in many tunings without thinking about them. This is especially advantageous when you have re- entrant tuning like on a Baroque guitar. cheers, On Nov 12, 2011, at 8:02 PM, andy butler wrote: > German tab, compared to the more commonly > used French tab, uses numbers instead of letters for the fret, which > isn't a problem. > ...but the string order is reversed, with the bass at the top, > which makes it effectively impossible to play from > if you're used to French tab. > > The symbols above the the "tab thingy" denote the rhythm, > just like notes on a score with the lump on the end > which shows the pitch removed. > > To play lute tab on a guitar, tune the G string down to F#. > > andy Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ --Apple-Mail-2--785747612 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That was a pretty good = explanation Andy. It is probably of little interest, but I'd just like = to clarify one thing. What you describe as German tab is actually = Italian tab. It is like looking in a mirror so the highest sounding = string is closest to the floor. It really isn't hard to get used to and = not that hard to switch back and forth between French and Italian tab. = German tab is basically different. It has a different cypher for every = note, whereas French and Italian have the same characters on every = string for a common fret. There are no lines representing strings in = German tab either.

There are numerous advantages to = tab. That is why it was so popular for 250+ years. It is easier to read = than notation and takes up less space. Another advantage is that you can = play in many tunings without thinking about them. This is especially = advantageous when you have re-entrant tuning like on a Baroque = guitar.
cheers,

On Nov 12, 2011, = at 8:02 PM, andy butler wrote:
German = tab, compared to the more commonly
used French tab, uses numbers = instead of letters for the fret, which isn't a problem.
...but the = string order is reversed, with the bass at the top,
which makes it = effectively impossible to play from
if you're used to French = tab.

The symbols above the the "tab thingy" denote the = rhythm,
just like notes on a score with the lump on the end
which = shows the pitch removed.

To play lute tab on a guitar, tune the G = string down to F#.

andy

= --Apple-Mail-2--785747612-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 17:27:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2C3D183466; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:27:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <71CDB238-6F7B-4467-99CD-7E80869EA2C2@carlsonarts.com> Subject: RE: 11 11 11 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 18:27:50 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Thread-Index: AcyhGHbtqvXkx8akRe2Yk0fSQzihUwAR9rPw In-Reply-To: <71CDB238-6F7B-4467-99CD-7E80869EA2C2@carlsonarts.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:27:55 +0000 (UTC) > Here is that clip of Nigel Tufnel if anyone wants to watch it: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7IZZXQ89Oc&feature=fvsr I nearly blew my coffee out through the nose :) -m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 17:39:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E9C7183461; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:39:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 700418032/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.181.24/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.181.24 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqcBAHmuvk5V0rUY/2dsb2JhbAAMNqdAhWYBAQEEOEARCxgJFg8JAwIBAgFFHAG8aYZqgxUEmVWMUg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,500,1315177200"; d="scan'208";a="700418032" Message-ID: <4EBEAF5F.3080301@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:39:43 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 11 11 11 not German tab References: <395B3DBB-D59E-498C-B57E-DB691588302E@sea.plala.or.jp> <4EBE4AF5.5010003@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:39:41 +0000 (UTC) Ed Durbrow wrote: > > On Nov 12, 2011, at 7:31 PM, andy butler wrote: > >> :-) Lucky the 11 bars worked so well. > > Yes, that was lucky. rhythmically very satisfying > >> (shame it's in German tab) > > It's in Italian tab. right, so my explanation is good for Italian Tab, not German, which is only for a 5 string instrument and works in a wholly different way. (shame it's not in French tab) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 17:40:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DDE5183460; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:40:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EBEAF93.7040107@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 09:40:35 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Carlson Music CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: 11/11/11 bummer with apologies References: <7F34816A-DD2E-43A9-BD05-330DB40384BB@carlsonarts.com> In-Reply-To: <7F34816A-DD2E-43A9-BD05-330DB40384BB@carlsonarts.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4RExeC.A.HiD.c-qvOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:40:44 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Michael Carlson Music wrote: > Don't feel too bad, Rick, even with all your technical glitches, its > not nearly as epic a fail as Spinal Tap's "Stone Henge" incident. > > Remember the midget? Well, if the truth be known, I felt exactly 11" tall after that humiliating experience.........lol. r. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 17:47:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AF9F183462; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:47:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ks11qa5F2SZMPrn2YTnVszG/qxaAitoe6jYIkjO3L8A= c=1 sm=2 a=YY2e1XpqMw4A:10 a=agWTFdhlyG4A:10 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=2qAkBURnw94UWAGCepMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=Sv-fX4LwX81u7dA-MdMA:9 a=rwgw04KQGXSHVhqQKNgA:7 X-Telus-Outbound-IP: 99.199.170.30 From: richard sales Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6--784517055 Subject: Re: 11/11/11 bummer with apologies Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 09:47:46 -0800 In-Reply-To: <4EBEAF93.7040107@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <7F34816A-DD2E-43A9-BD05-330DB40384BB@carlsonarts.com> <4EBEAF93.7040107@cruzio.com> Message-Id: <7DC9A0A4-E6D5-428D-8422-0A648F33F97E@glasswing.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:47:49 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6--784517055 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Musicians plan, the Muse chuckles.=20 richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com On Nov 12, 2011, at 9:40 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Michael Carlson Music wrote: >> Don't feel too bad, Rick, even with all your technical glitches, its = not nearly as epic a fail as Spinal Tap's "Stone Henge" incident. >>=20 >> Remember the midget?=20 > Well, if the truth be known, I felt exactly 11" tall after that = humiliating experience.........lol. >=20 > r. >=20 --Apple-Mail-6--784517055 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
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On Nov 12, 2011, at 9:40 AM, Rick Walker wrote:

On = 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Michael Carlson Music wrote:
Don't feel too bad, Rick, even with all your technical = glitches, its not nearly as epic a fail as Spinal Tap's "Stone Henge" = incident.

Remember the = midget?
Well, if the truth be known,  I felt = exactly 11" tall after that humiliating = experience.........lol.

r.


= --Apple-Mail-6--784517055-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 17:58:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CEF6183466; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:58:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=0CIvEzGDtn51HmoFN+BnjvEJkjbIFUlMHnb1vv650es=; b=TW5INzOGoeialjRUlX499/snIOPoGYoWXerFzjTk9OoXBiCKfT+XfG/d0pLWtnjAtx dxbxQtsu0g3HodIdBSLwSHJLQsF31fDxNm1c46c4k++ZwyqSUwRUmnTGdux1vN9XG8PG uFSsjMNnv2P+mrVUvNt1Fm3vMh6dK9E5aD/PE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 18:58:28 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Nigel (Re: 11 11 11) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <92cE7B.A.p6D.FPrvOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:58:29 +0000 (UTC) >> Here is that clip of Nigel Tufnel if anyone wants to watch it: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7IZZXQ89Oc&feature=fvsr > On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Michael Peters wrote: > I nearly blew my coffee out through the nose :) The journalist character is one reason this sketch is so fun. Humming around the subject, afraid to get offensive with the celebrity, the guy's acting kind of leads up Tufnel's final phrase ".....these go to eleven". BTW I saw a video interview with The Spinal Tap - UNWIGGED!!! Would never have recognized any of them. I learned that they are actually doing "unwigged gigs" these days to "do their own thing", since Spinal Tap was originally just a joke. They are actors on their day time jobs. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 18:01:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2358183477; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 18:01:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <9FA9122F-7ED7-4A52-BADC-20CDED618CE8@sea.plala.or.jp> From: Ed Durbrow To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4EBEAF5F.3080301@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--783685131 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: 11 11 11 not German tab Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 03:01:38 +0900 References: <395B3DBB-D59E-498C-B57E-DB691588302E@sea.plala.or.jp> <4EBE4AF5.5010003@tiscali.co.uk> <4EBEAF5F.3080301@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-VirusScan: Outbound; msa04b; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 03:01:38 +0900 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 18:01:41 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--783685131 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 13, 2011, at 2:39 AM, andy butler wrote: > German, which is only for a 5 string instrument > and works in a wholly different way. Almost right again. :-) German tab is for 6 courses, but originally it was for 5. We know that because they numbered/lettered from string 5 to 1 and then again at each fret, going across. However, when they added a 6th course to the lute, they used capital letters going UP the 6th course. And different composers used different symbols! I don't think there is any German tab extant that is just for 5 courses, but I could well be wrong about that. I don't know of any. I haven't messed too much with German tab, so I need to have a fingering chart handy if I try to play from it, which I rarely do. If you want to get really wacky, try Alfebeto on Baroque guitar: an A means G chord, B means C chord, G means F. They have mixed alfabeto and tab too. > (shame it's not in French tab) You can get that in French. Here: http://www.gerbode.net/ft2/composers/Capirola/french/pdf/01_la_villanella.pdf I have a whole page of links to digital lute tab. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/webtab.html Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ --Apple-Mail-3--783685131 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Nov 13, 2011, = at 2:39 AM, andy butler wrote:
German,= which is only for a 5 string instrument
and works in a wholly = different way.

Almost right = again. :-) German tab is for 6 courses, but originally it was for 5. We = know that because they numbered/lettered from string 5 to 1 and then = again at each fret, going across. However, when they added a 6th course = to the lute, they used capital letters going UP the 6th course. And = different composers used different symbols! I don't think there is any = German tab extant that is just for 5 courses, but I could well be = wrong about that. I don't know of any. I haven't messed too much with = German tab, so I need to have a fingering chart handy if I try to play = from it, which I rarely do.
If you want to get really wacky, = try Alfebeto on Baroque guitar: an A means G chord, B means C chord, G = means F. They have mixed alfabeto and tab too.

(shame it's not in French = tab)


I have a whole page of = links to digital lute tab.

=
= --Apple-Mail-3--783685131-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 13 04:10:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDABF18345F; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 04:10:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "BC" To: Subject: Re: 11 11 11 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 23:10:56 -0500 Message-ID: <001001cca1ba$3ee0a340$bca1e9c0$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01CCA190.560F5630" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Acyhujska/RZVo3PT+GF11RPs9N+jA== Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 111112-1, 11/12/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 04:10:59 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01CCA190.560F5630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok, here's my entry. Go easy on me, boys. I don't even really know what = 11/8 time signature is, so I took my best guess. This is literally my first piece I've ever unleashed upon the LD = members. Usually I do "verse-chorus" type songs with my Boomerang III, = so I found this to be quite a challenge. This is short, rather boring piece, so I spiced it up with some pictures = from the Hubble Space Telescope in order to draw attention away from my = bad timing. ;) Thanks for watching! Brian http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DH7YXm-9nJMU ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01CCA190.560F5630 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: 11 11 11

Ok, here's my = entry. Go easy on me, boys. I don't even really know what 11/8 time = signature is, so I took my best guess.

This is literally my first piece I've ever unleashed = upon the LD members. Usually I do = "verse-chorus" type songs with my Boomerang III, = so I = found this to be quite a = challenge.

This is short, rather boring piece, so I spiced it up = with some pictures from the Hubble Space Telescope in order to = draw attention away from my bad timing. ;)

Thanks for watching!

Brian

http://www.youtube.= com/watch?v=3DH7YXm-9nJMU

------=_NextPart_000_0011_01CCA190.560F5630-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 13 04:15:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7531B183460; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 04:15:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 906464.93174.bm@smtp107.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: JL6Y7VgVM1lqRNDxmzdaGrk84oONZclCnad1dHF8HJd9UFo 7ACODougurN2fz95RuTQw4ukM.AWVuSwiGE694gICgdYya_i0LkNhsNvetv1 C9fRn1IJuuLMbroHD.k.rnSK9_3fBte_TgyDUOoFGQhDMNUvqVikxTACqEiE O9bJBtz4aEhWwuy6HqxNYb6AFKYkX.5RvDHYMbUiFmHiUZawk6QRkjGeecMb ts7fnw3QYRe6UYqxx2q0yp.PFVMJJocAIsTvKe0GERYuVwoUxWanW4qZ4uaz sGRtCTDUKTiu2zbPk.r1adV6GvYb6xGtHiELouRvrSHVndZm7dxcXJVcWzgg 4olzS8mm.be9PPvZxcGGYVWxQ7x7HdCD7wBPbO6uVcyADe3aVSTSlAbWI2N2 OFEmnTupYV34N0n0qo8Matv9S_d8M2uUWyYer1NfhF4NqnPpN4ImxN8UBZYd LXXHfylotgHrLy21nNGM0TA-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F Message-Id: From: Michael Carlson Music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001001cca1ba$3ee0a340$bca1e9c0$@comcast.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--746844132 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: 11 11 11 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 20:15:39 -0800 References: <001001cca1ba$3ee0a340$bca1e9c0$@comcast.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 04:15:42 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--746844132 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Isn't that song "If I Could Rule the World" on the radio now in 11/8? Michael On Nov 12, 2011, at 8:10 PM, BC wrote: > Ok, here's my entry. Go easy on me, boys. I don't even really know > what 11/8 time signature is, so I took my best guess. > > > This is literally my first piece I've ever unleashed upon the LD > members. Usually I do "verse-chorus" type songs with my Boomerang > III, so I found this to be quite a challenge. > > This is short, rather boring piece, so I spiced it up with some > pictures from the Hubble Space Telescope in order to draw attention > away from my bad timing. ;) > > Thanks for watching! > > Brian > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7YXm-9nJMU > --Apple-Mail-4--746844132 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Isn't that song "If I Could = Rule the World" on the radio now in = 11/8?

Michael

On Nov 12, = 2011, at 8:10 PM, BC wrote:

= Re: 11 11 11

Ok, here's my entry. Go easy on me, boys. I don't even = really know what 11/8 time signature is, so I took my = best guess.


This is literally my first piece I've ever unleashed = upon the LD members. Usually I do "verse-chorus" type = songs with my Boomerang III, so I found this to be quite a = challenge.

This is short, rather boring piece, = so I spiced it up with some pictures from the Hubble Space = Telescope in order to draw attention away from my bad timing. = ;)

Thanks for = watching!

Brian

http://www.youtube.c= om/watch?v=3DH7YXm-9nJMU

=

= --Apple-Mail-4--746844132-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 13 04:29:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C72B183461; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 04:29:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "BC" To: References: <001001cca1ba$3ee0a340$bca1e9c0$@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: 11 11 11 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 23:29:19 -0500 Message-ID: <002301cca1bc$cfdea3e0$6f9beba0$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01CCA192.E70B0CE0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQG6CzQuegcr2id6r0HF6ZMuFfcuYgMfV26nlbZnLEA= Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 111112-1, 11/12/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 04:29:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01CCA192.E70B0CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not familiar with the tune and I don't listen to the radio, so I doubt it. I'll have to see if I can find it. Who does it? This is just something I made up at the spur of the moment. Brian From: Michael Carlson Music [mailto:music@carlsonarts.com] Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 11:16 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 11 11 11 Isn't that song "If I Could Rule the World" on the radio now in 11/8? Michael ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01CCA192.E70B0CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: 11 11 11

Not familiar with the tune and I don’t listen to the radio, so = I doubt it. I’ll have to see if I can find = it.

 

Who does it?

 

This is just something I made up at the spur of the = moment.

 

Brian

 

 

From:= = Michael Carlson Music [mailto:music@carlsonarts.com]
Sent: = Saturday, November 12, 2011 11:16 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: 11 11 = 11

 

Isn't that = song "If I Could Rule the World" on the radio now in = 11/8?

 

Michael

 

------=_NextPart_000_0024_01CCA192.E70B0CE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 13 04:31:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E06318345F; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 04:31:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=kmSJvjV6leFGw4eS4pBp5+LCdfB5KesiP+9dMwn1Kyw=; b=oaXK2g74VsOmIwJMqCSyQ4rHKkQTAKu/GKirxgoV5lX6ysTdCkGX6qW8WvI9AOlu87 02rZ+3WZdiY5JGYVPBU0uzWkkEzQXxLiFTGaTktxt3DQ2EDun8g4sq0K7IPR4KAIWmiB UG24TGBBcXcS85l9rr5yVEo0+XSPN7147yYp0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <002301cca1bc$cfdea3e0$6f9beba0$@comcast.net> References: <001001cca1ba$3ee0a340$bca1e9c0$@comcast.net> <002301cca1bc$cfdea3e0$6f9beba0$@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 20:30:59 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 11 11 11 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 04:31:00 +0000 (UTC) Hey Brian, Nice! I loved it, my kind of music. On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 8:29 PM, BC wrote: > Not familiar with the tune and I don=92t listen to the radio, so I doubt = it. > I=92ll have to see if I can find it. > > > > Who does it? > > > > This is just something I made up at the spur of the moment. > > > > Brian > > > > > > From: Michael Carlson Music [mailto:music@carlsonarts.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 11:16 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: 11 11 11 > > > > Isn't that song "If I Could Rule the World" on the radio now in 11/8? > > > > Michael > > --=20 Art Simon simart@gmail.com myspace [dot] com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 13 04:37:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CFAF183461; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 04:37:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 97134.28445.bm@omp1010.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1321159071; bh=FRUPD3KM/0PhFbRHkV3nCDNrvmrvQKkSvpIP9JAPsiA=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Mailer; b=u0oHVX7mnpryxY8G7aPXhYgksszHtGoeIDl1eOhO6UFds8Cbv+ts+XERK5EIczq3YwxvYXrmiN6Fl3Zl8nZqyeCDZXd0zraCXwQt9gt3kTp+pHJuptNvZ4+QRHLlT6y5VsIF1mrZV9TDFy+HdTq3BNvkzklzZStNjFGTtibcpU0= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: Ytl1MAAVM1kZkfOPebNtmqQXBFSMtQKf_ykw7ga1JLENpPt Ylv8.35Xd9REAwQFyWFD2QWqMJ9MlJzEMrtfsR6eikAjTtovloIS0iL3WjMT CKE6OCyYwBis.P7mvHSxghodBSaSt0FdtT9n9J0oupjNe576BhgTAHP5SWcD 3MWoqDM5prvoZNpOTVV3L2sTLrjeuBps2Wc2yCWc5oqt8L_RJhIoa.zkuB3z IsOlXkfBEPzlEuXra4poZlM618wCHR9FH5a24_RTKDBjhZEWhjUzfJ.oy8JF 8WTaymKuKGOm.ZuWruSJUdXvZXAWEwdiAYJhp9RHQlUcmZOVIfjgOiQMiis3 6AeBgCbbuVju.9PUZ6fnI2KYWXwEMuPHWtuT8UXuLaXDzGLmy43Fo4gQIqlK 3YfV5e66nhvmQ_4g9QaT4VmHs5H.HXVBNYbmRXOC.Wg-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F Message-Id: <944EFFA4-AEA9-4B6E-9F05-6CDDB8661F39@carlsonarts.com> From: Michael Carlson Music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002301cca1bc$cfdea3e0$6f9beba0$@comcast.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5--745512968 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: 11 11 11 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 20:37:50 -0800 References: <001001cca1ba$3ee0a340$bca1e9c0$@comcast.net> <002301cca1bc$cfdea3e0$6f9beba0$@comcast.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 04:37:53 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5--745512968 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's actually called "Viva la Vida" by Coldplay. The first lyric is =20 "I used to rule the world." Michael (TripleOhNine) On Nov 12, 2011, at 8:29 PM, BC wrote: > Not familiar with the tune and I don=92t listen to the radio, so I =20 > doubt it. I=92ll have to see if I can find it. > > Who does it? > > This is just something I made up at the spur of the moment. > > Brian > > > From: Michael Carlson Music [mailto:music@carlsonarts.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 11:16 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: 11 11 11 > > Isn't that song "If I Could Rule the World" on the radio now in 11/8? > > Michael > --Apple-Mail-5--745512968 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's actually called "Viva la = Vida" by Coldplay.  The first lyric is "I used to rule the = world."

Michael = (TripleOhNine)

On Nov 12, 2011, at 8:29 PM, BC = wrote:

Not familiar with the tune and I don=92t listen to = the radio, so I doubt it. I=92ll have to see if I can find = it.
Who does it?
This is just something I made up at the spur of the = moment.
 
Brian
 
To: References: <001001cca1ba$3ee0a340$bca1e9c0$@comcast.net> <002301cca1bc$cfdea3e0$6f9beba0$@comcast.net> <944EFFA4-AEA9-4B6E-9F05-6CDDB8661F39@carlsonarts.com> In-Reply-To: <944EFFA4-AEA9-4B6E-9F05-6CDDB8661F39@carlsonarts.com> Subject: RE: 11 11 11 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 23:41:29 -0500 Message-ID: <003301cca1be$8323a030$896ae090$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01CCA194.9A527A30" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQG6CzQuegcr2id6r0HF6ZMuFfcuYgMfV26nAlZOOEEB0OnSVpWVMcbQ Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 111112-1, 11/12/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 04:41:31 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01CCA194.9A527A30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh. The answer to your question is no. Brian From: Michael Carlson Music [mailto:music@carlsonarts.com] Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 11:38 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 11 11 11 It's actually called "Viva la Vida" by Coldplay. The first lyric is "I used to rule the world." Michael (TripleOhNine) On Nov 12, 2011, at 8:29 PM, BC wrote: Not familiar with the tune and I don't listen to the radio, so I doubt it. I'll have to see if I can find it. Who does it? This is just something I made up at the spur of the moment. Brian From: Michael Carlson Music [mailto:music@carlsonarts.com] Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 11:16 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 11 11 11 Isn't that song "If I Could Rule the World" on the radio now in 11/8? Michael ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01CCA194.9A527A30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Oh.

 

The answer to your question is no.

 

Brian

 

 

From:= = Michael Carlson Music [mailto:music@carlsonarts.com]
Sent: = Saturday, November 12, 2011 11:38 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: 11 11 = 11

 

It's = actually called "Viva la Vida" by Coldplay.  The first = lyric is "I used to rule the world."

 

Michael (TripleOhNine)

 ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01CCA194.9A527A30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 13 04:43:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0133E18345D; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 04:43:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "BC" To: References: <001001cca1ba$3ee0a340$bca1e9c0$@comcast.net> <002301cca1bc$cfdea3e0$6f9beba0$@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: 11 11 11 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 23:43:07 -0500 Message-ID: <003b01cca1be$bd52f350$37f8d9f0$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQG6CzQuegcr2id6r0HF6ZMuFfcuYgMfV26nAlZOOEEB58QtmpWUe1iw Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 111112-1, 11/12/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 04:43:08 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Art. Glad you liked it. And I'm very glad you identified it as "music". I wasn't so sure. ;) Brian -----Original Message----- From: Art Simon [mailto:simart@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 11:31 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 11 11 11 Hey Brian, Nice! I loved it, my kind of music. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 13 13:29:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2EADE18345C; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 13:29:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=fJjyxiPY5e6kYg067UngFn+tIXsGeD8+/hqpdBXZpiU=; b=IAz5sdSDNmF06mZF1HGKhAG3Q6KgJ2LS3aBoqokBJ5tQrXaggGmiO6/NwHFtCGcRD9 75BqzbO33Yf6ny0IAqQ91L6Wbs+vhz+bZriUXmMnJvYQugi5Ad7y4KyryWxaRn96Kopq OyW1e1Jh+ei6m6ZpdEJT+d+H9GuEBRNcy2Y24= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 08:28:59 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: the 111111 project From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307cffa6a17c7104b19dbc4d Resent-Message-ID: <9WgOY.A.kP.dY8vOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 13:29:01 +0000 (UTC) --20cf307cffa6a17c7104b19dbc4d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Simeon/Louie/Petri thank you all. Simeon in terms of mastering would love it but not sure it's of value. Most of the time and most of my recording due to time these days is spontaneous done 1 take on the fly for the weekend ImprovFriday events which take place each weekend from Thur afternoon to Sat PM at 6 PST. Most of the time I record compressed to MP3 format at 160 kbps. I could convert this track back to uncompressed but it seems kind of pointless but I will if you think it's worth improving appreciably. If I know I'm doing a release though I may release some of these MP3's as a BC deal, I will then try to record uncompressed (Petri don't worry when I work on Mountain I will of course record WAV). Thx guys Jim On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Simeon Harris < simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > yeah, i didn't know there was supposed to be video as well. is anybody > setting up a bandcamp page for this? > > also - if anybody wants their submission mastered, i'd be happy to do > it. just upload the full res file somewhere and let me know > > sim > > On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Petri Lahtinen > wrote: > > I think I put mine on the SoundCloud, thought they would be some kind o= f > > collective > > bandcamp-page etc, but this is just fine! > > Thanks Jim for your piece! > > > > 2011/11/12 Louie Angulo > >> > >> very nice Jim!! > >> Luis > >> > >> On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Jim Goodin > >> wrote: > >> > I was not straight on the spec on the 111111 project that I thought > Rick > >> > had > >> > proposed but had planned to participate. I just did a track and > posted > >> > on > >> > the LD FB wall thinking that was where the content was slated but al= so > >> > posting to the email thread. > >> > This was solo improvised mandolin, heavy reverse and trying for 11 > beats > >> > to > >> > the meter, I say trying. Slipping in as didn't get to record till a > bit > >> > ago > >> > now on the 12th. > >> > 1:11 after 11/11/11 > >> > Jim > >> > > >> > -- > >> > From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim > Goodin > >> > & > >> > Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds > >> > from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. > >> > jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. > >> > > >> > woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> www.luis-angulo.com > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Petri Lahtinen > > > > http://www.petrilahtinen.com > > > > > > --=20 *From Brooklyn To Glindran*, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com --20cf307cffa6a17c7104b19dbc4d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Simeon/Louie/Petri thank you all. =A0Simeon in terms of mastering would lov= e it but not sure it's of value. Most of the time and most of my record= ing due to time these days is spontaneous done 1 take on the fly for the we= ekend ImprovFriday events which take place each weekend from Thur afternoon= to Sat PM at 6 PST. =A0Most of the time I record compressed to MP3 format = at 160 kbps. =A0I could convert this track back to uncompressed but it seem= s kind of pointless but I will if you think it's worth improving apprec= iably. =A0If I know I'm doing a release though I may release some of th= ese MP3's as a BC deal, I will then try to record uncompressed (Petri d= on't worry when I work on Mountain I will of course record WAV).

Thx guys =A0Jim

On Sat, No= v 12, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
yeah, i didn't know there was supposed = to be video as well. is anybody
setting up a bandcamp page for this?

also - if anybody wants their submission mastered, i'd be happy to do it. just upload the full res file somewhere and let me know

sim

On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Petri Lahtinen
<kollegavalmentaja@gmail.= com> wrote:
> I think I put mine on the SoundCloud, thought they would be some kind = of
> collective
> bandcamp-page etc, but this is just fine!
> Thanks Jim for your piece!
>
> 2011/11/12 Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@googlemail.com>
>>
>> very nice Jim!!
>> Luis
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I was not straight on the spec on the 111111 project that I t= hought Rick
>> > had
>> > proposed but had planned to participate. =A0I just did a trac= k and posted
>> > on
>> > the LD FB wall thinking that was where the content was slated= but also
>> > posting to the email thread.
>> > This was solo improvised mandolin, heavy reverse and trying f= or 11 beats
>> > to
>> > the meter, I say trying. =A0Slipping in as didn't get to = record till a bit
>> > ago
>> > now on the 12th.
>> > 1:11 after 11/11/11
>> > Jim
>> >
>> > --
>> > From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by= Jim Goodin
>> > &
>> > Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds
>> > from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.
>> > jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.
>> >
>> > woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> www.luis-= angulo.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Petri Lahtinen
>
> http://www.= petrilahtinen.com
>
>




--
= From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Go= odin & Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds
from the sale of this CD will bene= fit JDRF International.=A0 jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.

woo= dandwiremusic.wordpress.com
--20cf307cffa6a17c7104b19dbc4d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 13 16:11:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F15EA18345B; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 16:11:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0TPdUPmRHcq7z62/9EPwYUQLNLAu5Agaxmk+q8OVR5Y=; b=lY2Z8vSoswdPet0nrRc3appXwJc+BKT1MivwXgtMfW3PXBv+kpMMvrzS4Q5zLO+mfe plS+IBnqnPYQTWW3LYY2QkPd1mNSgtNjkcndDbsozlUUWtlXgEvyiKi/W1Fs/Uw6Sk0T LHab09PBHEtlKg+YDj33x3ifKutP9O2e6xCm0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7DC9A0A4-E6D5-428D-8422-0A648F33F97E@glasswing.com> References: <7F34816A-DD2E-43A9-BD05-330DB40384BB@carlsonarts.com> <4EBEAF93.7040107@cruzio.com> <7DC9A0A4-E6D5-428D-8422-0A648F33F97E@glasswing.com> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 11:11:07 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 11/11/11 bummer with apologies From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <5HRGZC.A.33C.cw-vOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 16:11:08 +0000 (UTC) yeah, I'm also bummed about this... I had planned to participate, but I found rot under the tiles that I was removing in the basement on friday and I've been dealing with this ever since. I hate rot. Sylvain On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 12:47 PM, richard sales wro= te: > Musicians plan, the Muse chuckles. > richard sales > www.glasswing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > > > On Nov 12, 2011, at 9:40 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Michael Carlson Music wrote: > > Don't feel too bad, Rick, even with all your technical glitches, its not > nearly as epic a fail as Spinal Tap's "Stone Henge" incident. > > Remember the midget? > > Well, if the truth be known, =A0I felt exactly 11" tall after that humili= ating > experience.........lol. > > r. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 14 13:42:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8989F18348C; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 13:42:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=QE6JQ0oeeGFwxK+nSeh83OhESBcrcxIF9qIxCTCziYQ=; b=ZKXBi11CH70cJkaf6HPzjHaPG129SLGpfv+PxiwccA91QIh34v2VWpxU113UFqi4hQ RHV343XjGR6O5gFOBtKxQFoBpMC2snBg6Wb4eYBfMOxnOKkqSmlML/Cj9XQnWXhmZNkO +4FxmnCqv+ql+Ea7sXdEbtc/IXuEgQjtvsxUQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:42:15 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Software question From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001517740ae0e9b22d04b1b20905 Resent-Message-ID: <9ZZiQC.A.l6B.4qRwOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 13:42:16 +0000 (UTC) --001517740ae0e9b22d04b1b20905 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZXLyeatI0s&feature=player_detailpage#t=96s "stored each individual note on a sampler on my laptop" Do you know which software Gotye is using on this video? Is it just Live's tool he's editing the samples on, or some another software? Grateful for answers, -- Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com --001517740ae0e9b22d04b1b20905 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www= .youtube.com/watch?v=3D2ZXLyeatI0s&feature=3Dplayer_detailpage#t=3D96s<= /a>


"stored each individual note on a sampler= on my laptop"

Do you know which software Gotye is using on this video?
Is it just = Live's tool he's editing the samples on, or some another software?<= br>
Grateful for answers,
--
Petri Lahtinen

http://www.petrilahtinen.com

--001517740ae0e9b22d04b1b20905-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 14 13:44:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 203C018348B; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 13:44:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=8yZkh4psXeeyJr/Wps2w2doKKv8lNJEYxy70lVsQexs=; b=IkblbkWV0xqvUtXbDe/q3pXQb+CInpVdsur9fMEnWXfDzohiK4lfRhfLh/A8WNCoyc xRpv6h5NyZxLWTWYtT0eYcHsYZKe8RqLC8htIDAbzehih741/nGFYVvhL5nKMF+vsLzM IznU6gK+/z9OMUFmjlulmRbz+/1msoF8uN7Zs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:44:31 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: the 111111 project From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015176f09c8028c7604b1b212e6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 13:44:32 +0000 (UTC) --0015176f09c8028c7604b1b212e6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Glad to hear you mention Mountain, Jim ;-) 2011/11/13 Jim Goodin > Simeon/Louie/Petri thank you all. Simeon in terms of mastering would lov= e > it but not sure it's of value. Most of the time and most of my recording > due to time these days is spontaneous done 1 take on the fly for the > weekend ImprovFriday events which take place each weekend from Thur > afternoon to Sat PM at 6 PST. Most of the time I record compressed to MP= 3 > format at 160 kbps. I could convert this track back to uncompressed but = it > seems kind of pointless but I will if you think it's worth improving > appreciably. If I know I'm doing a release though I may release some of > these MP3's as a BC deal, I will then try to record uncompressed (Petri > don't worry when I work on Mountain I will of course record WAV). > > Thx guys Jim > > On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Simeon Harris < > simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> yeah, i didn't know there was supposed to be video as well. is anybody >> setting up a bandcamp page for this? >> >> also - if anybody wants their submission mastered, i'd be happy to do >> it. just upload the full res file somewhere and let me know >> >> sim >> >> On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Petri Lahtinen >> wrote: >> > I think I put mine on the SoundCloud, thought they would be some kind = of >> > collective >> > bandcamp-page etc, but this is just fine! >> > Thanks Jim for your piece! >> > >> > 2011/11/12 Louie Angulo >> >> >> >> very nice Jim!! >> >> Luis >> >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Jim Goodin >> >> wrote: >> >> > I was not straight on the spec on the 111111 project that I thought >> Rick >> >> > had >> >> > proposed but had planned to participate. I just did a track and >> posted >> >> > on >> >> > the LD FB wall thinking that was where the content was slated but >> also >> >> > posting to the email thread. >> >> > This was solo improvised mandolin, heavy reverse and trying for 11 >> beats >> >> > to >> >> > the meter, I say trying. Slipping in as didn't get to record till = a >> bit >> >> > ago >> >> > now on the 12th. >> >> > 1:11 after 11/11/11 >> >> > Jim >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim >> Goodin >> >> > & >> >> > Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds >> >> > from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. >> >> > jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. >> >> > >> >> > woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> www.luis-angulo.com >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Petri Lahtinen >> > >> > http://www.petrilahtinen.com >> > >> > >> >> > > > -- > *From Brooklyn To Glindran*, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim > Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds > from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. > jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. > > woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com > --=20 Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com --0015176f09c8028c7604b1b212e6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Glad to hear you mention Mountain, Jim=A0 ;-)

2011/11/13 Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com>
Simeon/Louie/Petri thank you all. =A0Simeon in terms of mastering would lov= e it but not sure it's of value. Most of the time and most of my record= ing due to time these days is spontaneous done 1 take on the fly for the we= ekend ImprovFriday events which take place each weekend from Thur afternoon= to Sat PM at 6 PST. =A0Most of the time I record compressed to MP3 format = at 160 kbps. =A0I could convert this track back to uncompressed but it seem= s kind of pointless but I will if you think it's worth improving apprec= iably. =A0If I know I'm doing a release though I may release some of th= ese MP3's as a BC deal, I will then try to record uncompressed (Petri d= on't worry when I work on Mountain I will of course record WAV).

Thx guys =A0Jim

On Sat, No= v 12, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemai= l.com> wrote:
yeah, i didn't know there was supposed t= o be video as well. is anybody
setting up a bandcamp page for this?

also - if anybody wants their submission mastered, i'd be happy to do it. just upload the full res file somewhere and let me know

sim

On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Petri Lahtinen
<kolleg= avalmentaja@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think I put mine on the SoundCloud, thought they would be some kind = of
> collective
> bandcamp-page etc, but this is just fine!
> Thanks Jim for your piece!
>
> 2011/11/12 Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@googlemail.com>
>>
>> very nice Jim!!
>> Luis
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com>= ;
>> wrote:
>> > I was not straight on the spec on the 111111 project that I t= hought Rick
>> > had
>> > proposed but had planned to participate. =A0I just did a trac= k and posted
>> > on
>> > the LD FB wall thinking that was where the content was slated= but also
>> > posting to the email thread.
>> > This was solo improvised mandolin, heavy reverse and trying f= or 11 beats
>> > to
>> > the meter, I say trying. =A0Slipping in as didn't get to = record till a bit
>> > ago
>> > now on the 12th.
>> > 1:11 after 11/11/11
>> > Jim
>> >
>> > --
>> > From Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by= Jim Goodin
>> > &
>> > Peter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds
>> > from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.
>> > jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.
>> >
>> > woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> www.luis-= angulo.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Petri Lahtinen
>
> http://www.= petrilahtinen.com
>
>




--
From Brookl= yn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Pet= er Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds
from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International.=A0 jimgoodinpeterthorn= .bandcamp.com.

woo= dandwiremusic.wordpress.com



--
Petri Lahtinen

<= a href=3D"http://www.petrilahtinen.com" target=3D"_blank">http://www.petril= ahtinen.com

--0015176f09c8028c7604b1b212e6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 14 14:38:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D49D4183489; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:38:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=BNGNoKxRQD93wfaWhpDPMaEkWDr0GxoMRaZJUXP7zy4=; b=n22avkTux9OKBo0sna5jOrYBMO881uSBQb3YtemSnlWx64FjVrYpTXBGVsR45z+raN yxavvQFz259quQs66LRSiiCNu7PTH1UUq8MhRW5UTMRPwHI5i9p0Z80A2kBkns8sA/RI 0A7n02ZPu9xGvh3hmTqS8pyjtkMpB4OYK/EBI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:38:43 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Software question From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:38:44 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > "stored each individual note on a sampler on my laptop" > > Do you know which software Gotye is using on this video? > Is it just Live's tool he's editing the samples on, or some another > software? Well, he said in the video he made multi sample instruments and that probably means he must be using the add-on sampler Sampler. We already know that he is using Ableton Live a lot, so it makes sense to guess he is also using their sampler. The application Live is kind of like an advanced sampler in itself, but it dosn't do "multi sample patches". That means you make several alternative recordings of each note and assign them to be triggered when a note is played with the appropriate force. I.e. light note sample triggered if the note is played lightly (= low velocity value) and hard hitting note sample triggered if the same (MIDI) note is played harder. In the scene where he is editing samples you don't see Live on his screen, but I have no idea what that software might be. There are so many useful Sample Editing applications available. And there are other alternatives to Live's sampler, like NI's Kontakt for example (if you want to work within other hosts than just Ableton Live). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 14 23:11:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C0DC18347A; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 23:11:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:35:59 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Doctor T, Dave Bryant, Michael Bloom, Eric Crawley, Lou Cohen,Friday Nov. 18 Outpost 186 Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, Frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 23:11:53 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, Visual Music LIVE continues at Outpost 186 on Friday at 8 PM. -- I'll be doing video improvisations with Dave Bryant -- solo keyboard followed by duets and quartet with Dave Bryant -- keyboard Michael Bloom --- strings Lou Cohen -- game controller and laptop Eric Crawley -- harpejji and electronics My projections are produced by mixing multiple DVD sources a video mixer and effects processors. The sources consist of computer-manipulated original material derived from my still photography and videography. The original subject matter is usually recognizable, but sometimes processed to complete abstraction. Sometimes the projections and music respond directly to each other -- sometimes they simply co-exist. Outpost 186, 186 Hampshire St (in the back), near Inman Square, Cambridge MA Suggested donation, $10 617.876.0860 ~ all ages ~ http://www.zeitgeist-outpost.org Many of my finished video pieces (both studio and live) can be seen at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld. with a piece from the Spring Series at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxBtaJajCkU Those of you who attend or perform at events at Outpost 186 may find my photo essay "Improvisations from an Outpost" http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/sets/72157624670849749/ to be of interest, -- My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 15 11:27:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D30F2183486; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 11:27:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=haYKp2ZFWl1qZbShadZjG3vrQXvbVqsevs4O9/LmbSI=; b=WJaFHympRA94vLCxTDrhXvKAZqEr/6fCeCe0x0Kmjjktj1/Q6GcczTjAx7yECuei7M WROnHzTvSRigyte8IUMG/pI7RMv3jmNr4W8zXYdgsCDO+AlKV1Ot5gLssKMBHcrMSFUV imHglpKtpyAgkQAIO/8NhnqF2P5BY7NQ9kPcQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 13:27:54 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Software question From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd489024855c904b1c44729 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 11:27:55 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd489024855c904b1c44729 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Per! I noticed that too, that it is NOT Live he's working on. The exact software was in question, but maybe it really is the Sampler http://www.ableton.com/sampler 2011/11/14 Per Boysen > On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Petri Lahtinen > wrote: > > "stored each individual note on a sampler on my laptop" > > > > Do you know which software Gotye is using on this video? > > Is it just Live's tool he's editing the samples on, or some another > > software? > > > Well, he said in the video he made multi sample instruments and that > probably means he must be using the add-on sampler Sampler. We already > know that he is using Ableton Live a lot, so it makes sense to guess > he is also using their sampler. The application Live is kind of like > an advanced sampler in itself, but it dosn't do "multi sample > patches". That means you make several alternative recordings of each > note and assign them to be triggered when a note is played with the > appropriate force. I.e. light note sample triggered if the note is > played lightly (= low velocity value) and hard hitting note sample > triggered if the same (MIDI) note is played harder. > > In the scene where he is editing samples you don't see Live on his > screen, but I have no idea what that software might be. There are so > many useful Sample Editing applications available. And there are other > alternatives to Live's sampler, like NI's Kontakt for example (if you > want to work within other hosts than just Ableton Live). > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > -- Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com --000e0cd489024855c904b1c44729 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Per! I noticed that too, that it is NOT Live he's working on.
The exact software was in question, but maybe it really is the Sampler
http://www.ableton.com/sampler

2011/11/14 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Petri Lahtinen
<kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com> wrote:
> "stored each individual note on a sampler on my laptop"
>
> Do you know which software Gotye is using on this video?
> Is it just Live's tool he's editing the samples on, or some another
> software?


Well, he said in the video he made multi sample instruments and that
probably means he must be using the add-on sampler Sampler. We already
know that he is using Ableton Live a lot, so it makes sense to guess
he is also using their sampler. The application Live is kind of like
an advanced sampler in itself, but it dosn't do "multi sample
patches". That means you make several alternative recordings of each
note and assign them to be triggered when a note is played with the
appropriate force. I.e. light note sample triggered if the note is
played lightly (= low velocity value) and hard hitting note sample
triggered if the same (MIDI) note is played harder.

In the scene where he is editing samples you don't see Live on his
screen, but I have no idea what that software might be. There are so
many useful Sample Editing applications available. And there are other
alternatives to Live's sampler, like NI's Kontakt for example (if you
want to work within other hosts than just Ableton Live).

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen




--
Petri Lahtinen

http://www.petrilahtinen.com

--000e0cd489024855c904b1c44729-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 15 12:36:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BD14183475; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:36:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=eJKke6UR4tgMPHG5NcAPsy64JjQmheC13bjaTyYvDOA=; b=I3aGLXSKwwl3EB3d+zdrArYoWzqMMIhD9I5DgDAvr5g/ZFGhPJywFeZkmntwDVEvep FeHGyn7IYAGKfFE7XCY5cHAGPxLS3iXfwvjZym6Rsslb3Xi2e++WL4u7m+b5bAZGkoce j9xn9rqpEyNOISn2ANIyewYGHSUmDe5mFjCwU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 13:36:33 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Software question From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:36:35 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > Thanks Per! I noticed that too, that it is NOT Live he's working on. > The exact software was in question, but maybe it really is the Sampler > http://www.ableton.com/sampler For what he does it really is not important what sampler and what sample editor he is using. Setting up a multi sampled patch is basic and any decent sampler will let you do that. More important is how you adjust the instrument when creating it, but that's up to your own taste. And the process is "magical" just as he says in the video. I have created multi sample virtual instruments from my tenor sax, my alto flute and my Fender Stratocaster with tube top and two Marshal 1" cabinets and I too have experienced that my acoustic instruments become a bit different while still keeping their own personality in the digital domain. For the Strat I recorded every note both as a plucked attack and as a screaming air feedback overtone (the full process, like ten second's overtone birth process) and both these samples are layered on the appropriate MIDI note. For the tenor sax I also made two recordings of each note; one with a soft "Ben Webster-ish" tone and one with singing behind the bamboo reed to create overtones (Sander's style). Well, all I can say is that sampling is truly amazing, you will see when you get going with it... :-) One last cool thing I have to mention is the option you get with Live's Sampler to have the sample played back in different directions. This was common in the early days of sampling - then because it provided "longer pads" with a shorter sampled note, as RAM/sampler memory still was an issue - and sadly this functionality disappeared from many modern samplers (like the Akai S+ series, that I worked a lot with in the nineties). But Live' Sampler does that. Some may think it is good that Sampler is so integrated in Live while others find it a limitation. Over here I have Sampler but I tend to use Kontakt more. Kontakt is more advanced but I imagine very few really needs that extra stuff, but some folks needs some of the sample libraries available on the market for Kontakt. Especially if you want to do symphonic orchestra mock-ups "in the box" Kontakt is the way to go if you want to also sample. The sampler I use the most though is the EXS24; it comes free as part of Logic/Mainstage and is very fast and easy to work with. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 15 16:06:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F14E718347A; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 16:06:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2720 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 16:06:53 UTC From: Michael Tyson Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_B8C8E3AA-342D-420A-940E-7E9C2A4CCBD7" Subject: Live looping cello performances Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 16:21:27 +0100 Message-Id: <1D96205D-768B-46E1-95B0-34748E5C1A49@atastypixel.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - rona.site5.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - atastypixel.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <9DITF.A.mqE.d4owOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 16:06:53 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_B8C8E3AA-342D-420A-940E-7E9C2A4CCBD7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hey list - I thought I'd share a couple of links to some performance = videos: David Fern=E1ndez (aka ecce cello, eccecello.com), a professional = cellist who uses live-looping in his performance uploaded these recently = - they're worth a look, he's really very good: http://youtu.be/vpl0imszbxs (live performance recording) http://youtu.be/ns2mejEJHNg (demonstrating his technique, with the = live-looper app shown projected on a screen behind) http://youtu.be/ohQF80Yx-44 He's using Loopy, my iPhone/iPad live looper app (so obviously I'm well = chuffed to see it being used to such impressive effect! =3D) Cheers, Michael --=20 Michael Tyson | atastypixel.com A Tasty Pixel: Artisan apps Loopy HD has been released! Savvy, tactile live looping on the iPad. Find us on Facebook, and Twitter Subscribe to our newsletter aim: mikerusselltyson twitter: MichaelTyson --Apple-Mail=_B8C8E3AA-342D-420A-940E-7E9C2A4CCBD7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 eccecello.com), a = professional cellist who uses live-looping in his performance uploaded = these recently - they're worth a look, he's really very = good:

http://youtu.be/vpl0imszbxs = (live performance recording)
http://youtu.be/ns2mejEJHNg = (demonstrating his technique, with the live-looper app shown projected = on a screen behind)
http://youtu.be/ohQF80Yx-44
<= br>
He's using Loopy, my iPhone/iPad live looper app (so = obviously I'm well chuffed to see it being used to such impressive = effect! = =3D)

Cheers,
Michael


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have created multi sample virtual instruments from my tenor sax, my > alto flute and my Fender Stratocaster with tube top and two Marshal 1" > cabinets and I too have experienced that my acoustic instruments > become a bit different while still keeping their own personality in > the digital domain. For the Strat I recorded every note both as a > plucked attack and as a screaming air feedback overtone (the full > process, like ten second's overtone birth process) and both these > samples are layered on the appropriate MIDI note. For the tenor sax I > also made two recordings of each note; one with a soft "Ben > Webster-ish" tone and one with singing behind the bamboo reed to > create overtones (Sander's style). Well, all I can say is that > sampling is truly amazing, you will see when you get going with it... > :-) > > One last cool thing I have to mention is the option you get with > Live's Sampler to have the sample played back in different directions. > This was common in the early days of sampling - then because it > provided "longer pads" with a shorter sampled note, as RAM/sampler > memory still was an issue - and sadly this functionality disappeared > from many modern samplers (like the Akai S+ series, that I worked a > lot with in the nineties). But Live' Sampler does that. Some may think > it is good that Sampler is so integrated in Live while others find it > a limitation. Over here I have Sampler but I tend to use Kontakt more. > Kontakt is more advanced but I imagine very few really needs that > extra stuff, but some folks needs some of the sample libraries > available on the market for Kontakt. Especially if you want to do > symphonic orchestra mock-ups "in the box" Kontakt is the way to go if > you want to also sample. The sampler I use the most though is the > EXS24; it comes free as part of Logic/Mainstage and is very fast and > easy to work with. > > Per > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 16 08:27:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A73018348E; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 08:27:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=a1noZQJp9ElJ1c5mzgtNOSu070Hf2Ek2cDylMTxCwEY=; b=BeiWy+/y7eAZjc5idgaOiD2om9CLMgxl0266Yqd8xIYNQsAGsxhFO0wmkGNnzdfqOf KjHScSI9M6cn9Gxkcp1tDAyhlFm6YNPWHKi/KiSOr3VZCg9h/EQWsr2dj5HsERY/rizG 7lE38I02aUW6hva/sDUE9fKfTtwplZF1z4/Mo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:27:45 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Software question From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151773eac4e34ec704b1d5e0e5 Resent-Message-ID: <2aBxp.A._W.CQ3wOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 08:27:47 +0000 (UTC) --00151773eac4e34ec704b1d5e0e5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Per and Simeon for the answers - multisampling really sounds intriguing! 2011/11/15 Simeon Harris > yes, i've had great results making simple samples of my ambient guitar > sounds. once you get beyond the normal range of guitar, some really > amazing sounds start appearing, especially if you use some of the > sampler's more interesting functions and any built-in fx that it has, > like envelope controlled filters etc. > the pitch shifter i was using in the tc g-force at the time was > monophonic, so sampling allowed me to play full chords on the > keyboards that i could only play monophonically on the guitar. hours > of fun, i can tell you! :O) > > On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Petri Lahtinen > > wrote: > >> Thanks Per! I noticed that too, that it is NOT Live he's working on. > >> The exact software was in question, but maybe it really is the Sampler > >> http://www.ableton.com/sampler > > > > > > For what he does it really is not important what sampler and what > > sample editor he is using. Setting up a multi sampled patch is basic > > and any decent sampler will let you do that. More important is how you > > adjust the instrument when creating it, but that's up to your own > > taste. And the process is "magical" just as he says in the video. I > > have created multi sample virtual instruments from my tenor sax, my > > alto flute and my Fender Stratocaster with tube top and two Marshal 1" > > cabinets and I too have experienced that my acoustic instruments > > become a bit different while still keeping their own personality in > > the digital domain. For the Strat I recorded every note both as a > > plucked attack and as a screaming air feedback overtone (the full > > process, like ten second's overtone birth process) and both these > > samples are layered on the appropriate MIDI note. For the tenor sax I > > also made two recordings of each note; one with a soft "Ben > > Webster-ish" tone and one with singing behind the bamboo reed to > > create overtones (Sander's style). Well, all I can say is that > > sampling is truly amazing, you will see when you get going with it... > > :-) > > > > One last cool thing I have to mention is the option you get with > > Live's Sampler to have the sample played back in different directions. > > This was common in the early days of sampling - then because it > > provided "longer pads" with a shorter sampled note, as RAM/sampler > > memory still was an issue - and sadly this functionality disappeared > > from many modern samplers (like the Akai S+ series, that I worked a > > lot with in the nineties). But Live' Sampler does that. Some may think > > it is good that Sampler is so integrated in Live while others find it > > a limitation. Over here I have Sampler but I tend to use Kontakt more. > > Kontakt is more advanced but I imagine very few really needs that > > extra stuff, but some folks needs some of the sample libraries > > available on the market for Kontakt. Especially if you want to do > > symphonic orchestra mock-ups "in the box" Kontakt is the way to go if > > you want to also sample. The sampler I use the most though is the > > EXS24; it comes free as part of Logic/Mainstage and is very fast and > > easy to work with. > > > > Per > > > > > > -- Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com --00151773eac4e34ec704b1d5e0e5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Per and Simeon for the answers - multisampling really sounds intriguing!


2011/11/15 Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com>
yes, i've had great results making simple samples of my ambient guitar
sounds. once you get beyond the normal range of guitar, some really
amazing sounds start appearing, especially if you use some of the
sampler's more interesting functions and any built-in fx that it has,
like envelope controlled filters etc.
the pitch shifter i was using in the tc g-force at the time was
monophonic, so sampling allowed me to play full chords on the
keyboards that i could only play monophonically on the guitar. hours
of fun, i can tell you! :O)

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Petri Lahtinen
> <kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks Per! I noticed that too, that it is NOT Live he's working on.
>> The exact software was in question, but maybe it really is the Sampler
>> http://www.ableton.com/sampler
>
>
> For what he does it really is not important what sampler and what
> sample editor he is using. Setting up a multi sampled patch is basic
> and any decent sampler will let you do that. More important is how you
> adjust the instrument when creating it, but that's up to your own
> taste. And the process is "magical" just as he says in the video. I
> have created multi sample virtual instruments from my tenor sax, my
> alto flute and my Fender Stratocaster with tube top and two Marshal 1"
> cabinets and I too have experienced that my acoustic instruments
> become a bit different while still keeping their own personality in
> the digital domain. For the Strat I recorded every note both as a
> plucked attack and as a screaming air feedback overtone (the full
> process, like ten second's overtone birth process) and both these
> samples are layered on the appropriate MIDI note. For the tenor sax I
> also made two recordings of each note; one with a soft "Ben
> Webster-ish" tone and one with singing behind the bamboo reed to
> create overtones (Sander's style). Well, all I can say is that
> sampling is truly amazing, you will see when you get going with it...
> :-)
>
> One last cool thing I have to mention is the option you get with
> Live's Sampler to have the sample played back in different directions.
> This was common in the early days of sampling - then because it
> provided "longer pads" with a shorter sampled note, as RAM/sampler
> memory still was an issue - and sadly this functionality disappeared
> from many modern samplers (like the Akai S+ series, that I worked a
> lot with in the nineties). But Live' Sampler does that. Some may think
> it is good that Sampler is so integrated in Live while others find it
> a limitation. Over here I have Sampler but I tend to use Kontakt more.
> Kontakt is more advanced but I imagine very few really needs that
> extra stuff, but some folks needs some of the sample libraries
> available on the market for Kontakt. Especially if you want to do
> symphonic orchestra mock-ups "in the box" Kontakt is the way to go if
> you want to also sample. The sampler I use the most though is the
> EXS24; it comes free as part of Logic/Mainstage and is very fast and
> easy to work with.
>
> Per
>
>




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Petri Lahtinen

http://www.petrilahtinen.com

--00151773eac4e34ec704b1d5e0e5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 16 08:53:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE1A5183490; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 08:53:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+Z5IfplSyN/Nn33g85SNkgcGHOfqwkbLWyI9LPeJ/nU=; b=jwNXYzFtuSgIuIFz7DsnF8YFLnlErWTeRLAUzCHZs+34atjPPTpez/oGpSFHT+kIP/ k2xxz5c4ReKnxrqObAY6R2mRf+srwWlFMx+prXdcJZFZM3QvtIDq5fdqQ10/DkPS7uhN XJ/pBpHZEZin7ZcUBN0eQCj3fvwZlYV9ASvbI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1D96205D-768B-46E1-95B0-34748E5C1A49@atastypixel.com> References: <1D96205D-768B-46E1-95B0-34748E5C1A49@atastypixel.com> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 09:53:42 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Live looping cello performances From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 08:53:43 +0000 (UTC) brilliant,and the sound is quite natural how is he hooking up the iphone to his cello and projecting it in the background? On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Michael Tyson wr= ote: > Hey list - I thought I'd share a couple of links to some performance vide= os: > David Fern=E1ndez (aka ecce cello, eccecello.com), a professional cellist= who > uses live-looping in his performance uploaded these recently - they're wo= rth > a look, he's really very good: > http://youtu.be/vpl0imszbxs (live performance recording) > http://youtu.be/ns2mejEJHNg (demonstrating his technique, with the > live-looper app shown projected on a screen behind) > http://youtu.be/ohQF80Yx-44 > He's using Loopy, my iPhone/iPad live looper app (so obviously I'm well > chuffed to see it being used to such impressive effect! =3D) > Cheers, > Michael > > -- > Michael=A0Tyson=A0|=A0atastypixel.com > A Tasty Pixel: Artisan apps > Loopy HD=A0has been released! Savvy, tactile live looping on the iPad. > Find us on=A0Facebook, and=A0Twitter > Subscribe to our newsletter > aim: mikerusselltyson > twitter:=A0MichaelTyson > --=20 www.luis-angulo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 16 08:57:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA6FD18348E; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 08:57:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=0W/IkXI1fFNh6vuZnOvhwILnYDRCaK6J4TR5Dem7FWg=; b=pGKhxI3civK3JwDV9vQMwLPcyZOjV7fioe53Oq9fTt++P0cZshus6OKwNJs2snoYkQ 4qtxul9vNkXT8n5AObYrGdL4bS4i1x6JEhqqJQYd2q9zyVpE0hVjr+1Nkv48qPdMvMAh VpJbVLFL+9ehE8cZyABYNb6LF8L7aDPc07Hhs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 09:57:11 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: swar systems "swarplug" and "swargroove" and logic pro 9 in mac OSX lion question From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <400qiB.A.nu.or3wOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 08:57:12 +0000 (UTC) anybody experienced with these two? the swar plug seems to be ok but the the swargroove is crashing logic,the company claims it should work fine under OSX lion and that is a logic problem heres the link http://www.swarsystems.com/ thanx Luis -- www.luis-angulo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 16 14:18:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54258183491; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:18:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1321453133; bh=qzm6fFOKmc0VmH3/9Vd9FyFTyBRVsA8CtCCvfyYQYoc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Date:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer; b=01sRnfiSN3us0q6kKe8d0p7wGH53BOsRM+ouMItJDv/zpWjywPeQTTtx8LnQqrm7zO/9Zcp0k8JSYuBgzoJ11anMXVgIjmHoFWrNrxYu0RQvIc66nSYWkDLLOE1Sqe7ZWFhbAUoO6erCL9Fb5HwMlRAQzzdto/ooTm9XFGTWFtk= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 457781.98088.bm@smtp120.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: z5aioaUVM1mooccWo9ygx9.3sTWKF0uryXp0ZGFxGjlAOog BeHp_.LEXf_LFjgSv6A2oO8KDXlu.gc_9FKpNODERgBTqF230cRDUV2SsYk_ ID2Q2e0Bvj3yhR2FnGv3Q7xtjfedIbELLbs7ZZ.MqcXf4w0snVC6aZp65U_U Fap9jnDY1Jfia.oexEJWDXzUoT_rY4_Tw0LKdf18nGgIx85zfHCFfvbluc.Z Twn_XzPeyGOT9gdUkQLLDI9PyRUUIVD.tK9tOJlse8L1BYf7VQOKZeBjzMR7 6LseDwNhFSMpD0X.P_kXwl79g56puTE1uk1LLK79gnTeGlFGiOwy1UOniMF1 as4q6ZCGpV32BsdNkqyZYxZ3hJCQbxMA.3zmmVWcWMgWV0lYl4doM8tKbPFL E3fItrwdefWPlALDwFTQ.TBrcxmewmAgtL8fXdKJBsTBbcej_e_uO13343xr o6w-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 75CdczOswBChen.W3AbLhaW8TlC96TVo5w-- From: Ben To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:18:53 +0100 Subject: Re: Software question In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <20111116151853.9F90CDB0.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: nPOPuk Ver 2.16 Resent-Message-ID: <5ma8pD.A.U3D.PZ8wOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:18:55 +0000 (UTC) Hi Petri, If you are going this way, have a look also in sofst like sample robot (there are others): http://www.samplerobot.com/ It can really speed up the process. Ben -------------------------------------------------- Petri Lahtinen wrote: (16/11/2011 09:27) > Thanks Per and Simeon for the answers - multisampling really sounds > intriguing! > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 16 14:42:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8E0618348A; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:42:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ItSgKUvEgpuArvFeGcEX9ho8h0+4pTt73K5WgrMP114= c=1 sm=0 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=A2bGdCcTAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=yr1M6_dwAAAA:8 a=9aIR-w7uAAAA:8 a=jJrOw3FHAAAA:8 a=yB06Z7lAMDXgdBkcHZsA:9 a=hi_5SS_bF3WPX0FbrXAA:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=j1urhcXRLjoA:10 a=KdNDRscX88sA:10 a=aN017RZT96AA:10 a=3j4BkbkPAAAA:8 a=JqEG_dyiAAAA:8 a=EHGtnQHHzf4phK1KKcIA:7 a=yPlw9GGQ6fMA:10 a=lq2AleoDH-wA:10 a=gnh4oT8wV7VqQeu3aANBiw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Re: Live looping cello performances References: <1D96205D-768B-46E1-95B0-34748E5C1A49@atastypixel.com> From: chaz worm Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-89C710AF-EDAB-43A8-A997-7BB78B2C8426 In-Reply-To: <1D96205D-768B-46E1-95B0-34748E5C1A49@atastypixel.com> Message-Id: <7627CB44-02E4-4675-ADEC-C82A70A36D7B@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 09:10:51 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) Resent-Message-ID: <3qp2FD.A.5OE.Nv8wOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:42:21 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-89C710AF-EDAB-43A8-A997-7BB78B2C8426 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I have that app but haven't reloaded it after my os5 cracked up all my apps.= I never used it anywhere near like that though. Wow.=20 What iPhone is he using. Mine is just a 3GS. I didn't seem that it had that k= ind of use ability.=20 Technology is really spoiling me. I remember realizing that my DSP128's digi= tal delay had an infinite hold on it so I could layer my own (out-of-tune) h= armonies I thought the world was my oyster. That was over 20 years ago.=20 Will Loopy performance be better on my 32gb 3GS or my 16gb iPad (first gen?!= ?) I must learn to utilize things better. That was very impressive.=20 Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo Earth, Worm, &, Fire and Electric Light Opry http://chazworm.com http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm On Nov 15, 2011, at 10:21 AM, Michael Tyson wrote:= > Hey list - I thought I'd share a couple of links to some performance video= s: >=20 > David Fern=C3=A1ndez (aka ecce cello, eccecello.com), a professional celli= st who uses live-looping in his performance uploaded these recently - they'r= e worth a look, he's really very good: >=20 > http://youtu.be/vpl0imszbxs (live performance recording) > http://youtu.be/ns2mejEJHNg (demonstrating his technique, with the live-lo= oper app shown projected on a screen behind) > http://youtu.be/ohQF80Yx-44 >=20 > He's using Loopy, my iPhone/iPad live looper app (so obviously I'm well ch= uffed to see it being used to such impressive effect! =3D) >=20 > Cheers, > Michael >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Michael Tyson | atastypixel.com > A Tasty Pixel: Artisan apps >=20 > Loopy HD has been released! Savvy, tactile live looping on the iPad. >=20 > Find us on Facebook, and Twitter > Subscribe to our newsletter >=20 > aim: mikerusselltyson > twitter: MichaelTyson >=20 --Apple-Mail-89C710AF-EDAB-43A8-A997-7BB78B2C8426 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
I have that app but haven'= t reloaded it after my os5 cracked up all my apps. I never used it anywhere n= ear like that though. Wow. 
What iPhone is he using. Mine is j= ust a 3GS. I didn't seem that it had that kind of use ability. 
Technology is really spoiling me. I remember realizing that my DSP128's d= igital delay had an infinite hold on it so I could layer my own (out-of-tune= ) harmonies I thought the world was my oyster. That was over 20 years ago.&n= bsp;
Will Loopy performance be better on my 32gb 3GS or my 16gb iP= ad (first gen?!?)
I must learn to utilize things better. That was v= ery impressive. 



=
Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo
Earth= , Worm, &, Fire and
Electric Light Opry

On Nov 15, 2011, at 10:21 AM, Michael Tyson <michael@atastypixel.com> wrote:

Hey list - I thought I'd s= hare a couple of links to some performance videos:

= David Fern=C3=A1ndez (aka ecce cello, eccec= ello.com), a professional cellist who uses live-looping in his performan= ce uploaded these recently - they're worth a look, he's really very good:

http://youtu.= be/vpl0imszbxs (live performance recording)
http://youtu.be/ns2mejEJHNg (demonstrating his techniqu= e, with the live-looper app shown projected on a screen behind)
http://youtu.be/ohQF80Yx-44

=
He's using Loopy, my iPhone/iPad live looper app (so obviously I'm well= chuffed to see it being used to such impressive effect! =3D)

=
Cheers,
Michael


-- <= /div>
Mich= ael Tyson | atastypixel.com
A Tasty Pixel: Artisan app= s

Loopy HD has been released! Savvy, tactil= e live looping on the iPad.

Find us on Facebook, and Twitter
Su= bscribe to our newsletter

aim: mikerusselltyson
twit= ter: MichaelTyson

= --Apple-Mail-89C710AF-EDAB-43A8-A997-7BB78B2C8426-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 16 18:54:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1082C18348F; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 18:54:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=LBcJLS4FuXpPBpem3nbUcTpylzKUpOlOSwEpYrtxCkg=; b=DuitCXkfmyQ9NCc5Lp3fvM1W8KneDRi+d7uD8t6VAmPhuqb4lB25piLHl1wzXv3QS4 goR161IUNnTR4M/jjtOkLHmH/Hb3NMJNngFa7ZhlsoTlJ3GQHHE6scwvcVXh2H6OxgB8 g2Eaoa2BNWj7XWreuVyjr0KD4xZGvjVEYgTvQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 20:54:30 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: On our own (video) From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93404094c026504b1dea2c1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 18:54:31 +0000 (UTC) --14dae93404094c026504b1dea2c1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Very generic looping stuff, made w/ Loopy. But love this guys vocal tone, thought I'd share this http://youtu.be/OcKpPY5Vxjs -- Petri Lahtinen http://www.petrilahtinen.com --14dae93404094c026504b1dea2c1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Very generic looping stuff, made w/ Loopy.
But love this guys vocal tone, thought I'd share this

http://youtu.be/OcKpPY5Vxjs

--
Petri Lahtinen

http://www.petrilahtinen.com

--14dae93404094c026504b1dea2c1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 16 19:55:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4ED5C18348E; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:55:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_267cd617-5ab6-42e3-ac56-7b18a6672983_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: Live Looping without "organic" instruments.. is it live looping, "MUSIC" inside (regarding a recent debate) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:55:14 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2011 19:55:14.0559 (UTC) FILETIME=[A83048F0:01CCA499] Resent-Message-ID: <_Nkr8C.A.lG.jUBxOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:55:16 +0000 (UTC) --_267cd617-5ab6-42e3-ac56-7b18a6672983_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SO=2C i have now tried to do live looping with only canned samples. This pi= ece of music (and noise):http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/canned-sonic= -evolution is it "live looping" it's four samples on a step sequencer sampler played l= ive=2C some times i "live" trigger the samples sometimes I use the sequence= s. Also - this machine (Elktron Octatrack) allows you to "record" live trig= gering of samples and the effect and changes in playback speed=2C re-trigge= ring=2C pitch=2C length of samples etc that you perform "live"... Why do I = think this is live looping=2C well... every run through the sequencer is a = loop=2C I can record live all that is captured in the sequence. I try=2C as= I do with ordinary looping=2C to tweak all the time so that there is devel= opment and there is NO way I could ever do this exact recording again. I co= uld stat with the same sounds again but something else would be the result.= .(and I use the delay on the octatrack to loop as well... =3D) So do YOU consider this a a form of Live Looping.. Enjoy the discussion..=20 Anders = --_267cd617-5ab6-42e3-ac56-7b18a6672983_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
SO=2C i have no= w tried to do live looping with only canned samples. This piece of music (a= nd noise):

is it "live looping" it'= s four samples on a step =3Bsequencer =3Bsampler played live=2C som= e times i "live" trigger the samples sometimes I use the sequences. Also - = this machine (Elktron Octatrack) allows you to "record" live triggering of = samples and the effect and changes in playback speed=2C =3Bre-triggerin= g=2C pitch=2C =3Blength =3Bof samples etc that you perform "live"..= . =3B
Why do I think this is live looping=2C well... every run throug= h the sequencer is a loop=2C I can record live all that is captured in the = sequence. I try=2C as I do with ordinary looping=2C to tweak all the time s= o that there is development and there is NO way I could ever do this exact = recording again. I could stat with the same sounds again but something else= would be the result..
(and I use the delay on the octatrack to loop as w= ell... =3D)

So do YOU =3Bconsider =3Bthis a a form of Li= ve Looping.. Enjoy the discussion.. =3B

Anders
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= --_267cd617-5ab6-42e3-ac56-7b18a6672983_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 16 22:09:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E90B3183490; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 22:09:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=bV044fcO/BROooTqyCRkLzAATTh0C+7wSW9gJR9UGUM=; b=QWah4Lew/ErDFcPO16cGTKN9136GRCbNA4dWy3ys1FPw+Ya92A60JyVhFym5CwpWJk IkHgOWfXLY2nnKaONB+62rvvKSC0R6EqPNxR42iPAk5qdcL8wazYk6a6UOhXtvdvRg4D r/+dt3jYBjeDpoa/lL0FtDBgE6Dici2u8q99A= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:09:34 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Live Looping without "organic" instruments.. is it live looping, "MUSIC" inside (regarding a recent debate) From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364c72b3e822d404b1e15b56 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 22:09:39 +0000 (UTC) --0016364c72b3e822d404b1e15b56 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I would call that "Live Sequencing", which would be different but similar to live looping. The difference would be that in live looping, the "loop" is an actual audio signal, where in "live sequencing", the actual loop is a set of trigger instructions. Similarly, programming a drum machine in real time would also be "live sequencing". (I do that occasionally in my band Tiny Owl.) Of course, you could then run audio output of the sequence into a looping device. In that case, it would be live looping. So here's the big question - how important is it for you to call it "live looping"? I think live sequencing can be just as interesting. It occurs to me we could get into a fine line of argument here. When you write audio into a digital loop, you are literally saving a set of instructions for rebuilding the audio signal. So where live sequencing would say, "At this moment, activate this sound with these parameters", live looping would say, "At this moment, the waveform should be at this voltage." To me, they are different because they present different sets of possibilities of how you interact with the loop. To most listeners, the difference is probably much more subtle than that of playing guitar with a pick vs with your fingers. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com Rigs! http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Anders Bergdahl < anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com> wrote: > SO, i have now tried to do live looping with only canned samples. This > piece of music (and noise): > http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/canned-sonic-evolution > > is it "live looping" it's four samples on a step sequencer sampler played > live, some times i "live" trigger the samples sometimes I use the > sequences. Also - this machine (Elktron Octatrack) allows you to "record" > live triggering of samples and the effect and changes in playback > speed, re-triggering, pitch, length of samples etc that you perform > "live"... > Why do I think this is live looping, well... every run through the > sequencer is a loop, I can record live all that is captured in the > sequence. I try, as I do with ordinary looping, to tweak all the time so > that there is development and there is NO way I could ever do this exact > recording again. I could stat with the same sounds again but something else > would be the result.. > (and I use the delay on the octatrack to loop as well... =) > > So do YOU consider this a a form of Live Looping.. Enjoy the discussion.. > > Anders > --0016364c72b3e822d404b1e15b56 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would call that "Live Sequencing", which would be different but= similar to live looping. The difference would be that in live looping, the= "loop" is an actual audio signal, where in "live sequencing= ", the actual loop is a set of trigger instructions.

Similarly, programming a drum machine in real time would also be "= live sequencing". (I do that occasionally in my band Tiny Owl.)
Of course, you could then run audio output of the sequence into a looping = device. In that case, it would be live looping.

So here's the big question - how important is it for you to call it= "live looping"? I think live sequencing can be just as interesti= ng.

It occurs to me we could get into a fine line of argument here.= When you write audio into a digital loop, you are literally saving a set o= f instructions for rebuilding the audio signal. So where live sequencing wo= uld say, "At this moment, activate this sound with these parameters&qu= ot;, live looping would say, "At this moment, the waveform should be a= t this voltage." To me, they are different because they present differ= ent sets of possibilities of how you interact with the loop. To most listen= ers, the difference is probably much more subtle than that of playing guita= r with a pick vs with your fingers.

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Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusic.com
Podcast! http://ribosomema= tt.podomatic.com
Rigs! http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt



On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Anders Bergdahl <anders_e_berg= dahl@hotmail.com> wrote:
SO, i have now tried to do live looping wi= th only canned samples. This piece of music (and noise):

is it "live looping" it's four samples= on a step=A0sequencer=A0sampler played live, some times i "live"= trigger the samples sometimes I use the sequences. Also - this machine (El= ktron Octatrack) allows you to "record" live triggering of sample= s and the effect and changes in playback speed,=A0re-triggering, pitch,=A0l= ength=A0of samples etc that you perform "live"...=A0
Why do I think this is live looping, = well... every run through the sequencer is a loop, I can record live all th= at is captured in the sequence. I try, as I do with ordinary looping, to tw= eak all the time so that there is development and there is NO way I could e= ver do this exact recording again. I could stat with the same sounds again = but something else would be the result..
(and I use the delay on the octatrack= to loop as well... =3D)
=
So do YOU=A0consider= =A0this a a form of Live Looping.. Enjoy the discussion..=A0

Anders




--0016364c72b3e822d404b1e15b56-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 16 22:43:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCC85183492; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 22:43:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_53e06162-2a40-43c3-a2ee-07cd22baade3_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Live Looping without "organic" instruments.. is it live looping, "MUSIC" inside (regarding a recent debate) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 22:43:32 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2011 22:43:32.0415 (UTC) FILETIME=[2AFAD4F0:01CCA4B1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 22:43:33 +0000 (UTC) --_53e06162-2a40-43c3-a2ee-07cd22baade3_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmm interesting Matt=2C some thoughts.. i imagined that the issue would be = "live" since i do not play an instrument.. BUT if you listen to Jan Bang li= ve with Jon Hassel for example he is triggering and manipulating samples li= ve. MAtt said: "I would call that "Live Sequencing"=2C which would be diffe= rent but similar to live looping. The difference would be that in live loop= ing=2C the "loop" is an actual audio signal=2C where in "live sequencing"= =2C the actual loop is a set of trigger instructions. " BUT there are not a= lways a set of trigger instructions=2C some times i manipulate the lenght o= f the sample as it plays=2C and the playback speed=2C pitch=2C envelope=2C = effects (i can also recordthese manipulations live and the it would not rea= lly be "programming")And in this example i run the "vocal" track into a del= ay with 100% feedback and rather long feedback.. viola LOOPING :-) or...=20 My main point is that playing a sampler is not very different from playing = an synth=2C and keeping a sequence interesting is very much like developing= the loop with inserts=2C overdubs and so forth. But with the sequencer/sam= pler it could be adjusting pitch a a sequencer step OR doing it for all ste= ps while it plays..And no i have no need to call what I do anything=2C most= times i play guitar into the sampler where i sometimes just loop it while = adding new tracks which could also loop=2C and resample and loop that. OR I= could slice a loop and trigger slices at sequencer steps... now that is pr= etty much LOOPING=2C or... :-) Maybe what i'm trying to say is that the work process=2C the creative proce= ss using a live sampler and a looper is very simular SO it believe it somet= hing that Live Loopers ought to be interested in. I can't say that my examp= le would be more looping if i used the EDP to re sample the output of the s= ampler.. since i can resample with the sampler.. and if you would do cool E= DP inserts would that differ from slicing=2C mixing and resample to alreade= sampled loops/samples??The difference is basically that loopers sample in = a manner similar to tape loops while a sampler usually don't try to mimic a= nd old manipulated tape recorder (well Teenage engineering OP-1 is trying t= o mimic a tape recorder :-) On Wed=2C Nov 16=2C 2011 at 11:55 AM=2C Anders Bergdahl wrote: SO=2C i have now tried to do live looping with only canned samples. This pi= ece of music (and noise):http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/canned-sonic= -evolution = --_53e06162-2a40-43c3-a2ee-07cd22baade3_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hmm interesting= Matt=2C some thoughts.. i imagined that the issue would be "live" since i = do not play an instrument.. BUT if you listen to Jan Bang live with Jon Has= sel for example he is triggering and manipulating samples live. =3B
MAtt said: "I = would call that "Live Sequencing"=2C which would be different but similar t= o live looping. The difference would be that in live looping=2C the "loop" = is an actual audio signal=2C where in "live sequencing"=2C the actual loop = is a set of trigger instructions. =3B"
 =3BBUT there are not always a set of tr= igger instructions=2C some times i manipulate the lenght of the sample as i= t plays=2C and the playback speed=2C pitch=2C envelope=2C effects (i can al= so recordthese manipulations live and the it would not really be "programmi= ng")
And in = this example i run the "vocal" track into a delay with 100% feedback and ra= ther long feedback.. viola LOOPING :-) or... =3B

My main point is that playing a sampler i= s not very different from playing an synth=2C and keeping a sequence intere= sting is very much like developing the loop with inserts=2C overdubs and so= forth. But with the sequencer/sampler it could be adjusting pitch a a sequ= encer step OR doing it for all steps while it plays..
And no i have no need to call wha= t I do anything=2C most times i play guitar into the sampler where i someti= mes just loop it while adding new tracks which could also loop=2C and resam= ple and loop that. OR I could slice a loop and trigger slices at sequencer = steps... now that is pretty much LOOPING=2C or... :-)

Maybe what i'm trying to say is t= hat the work process=2C the creative process using a live sampler and a loo= per is very simular SO it believe it something that Live Loopers ought to b= e interested in. I can't say that my example would be more looping if i use= d the EDP to =3Bre sample =3Bthe output of the sampler.. since i ca= n resample with the sampler.. and if you would do cool EDP inserts would th= at differ from slicing=2C mixing and resample to alreade sampled loops/samp= les??
The difference is basically that loopers sample in a manner similar= to tape loops while a sampler usually don't try to mimic and old manipulat= ed tape recorder (well Teenage =3Bengineering =3BOP-1 is trying to = mimic a tape recorder :-)

<= br>
On Wed=2C Nov 16=2C 2011 at 11:55 AM=2C Anders Bergdahl <=3Banders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com>=3B wrote:
SO=2C i have= now tried to do live looping with only canned samples. This piece of music= (and noise):





= --_53e06162-2a40-43c3-a2ee-07cd22baade3_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 16 23:22:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05CCD18348C; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 23:22:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_bfbd164f-a1c2-4a81-b65f-ffbd6ee355a6_" X-Originating-IP: [75.106.117.247] From: joy_top top To: Subject: Ios bluetooth pedals Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:22:40 -0800 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2011 23:22:41.0162 (UTC) FILETIME=[A2F12EA0:01CCA4B6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 23:22:41 +0000 (UTC) --_bfbd164f-a1c2-4a81-b65f-ffbd6ee355a6_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Speaking of IOS looping=2Cbluetooth pedals http://davidvaldez.blogspot.com/2011/07/airturn-bluetooth-foot-pedal-board.= html Capt = --_bfbd164f-a1c2-4a81-b65f-ffbd6ee355a6_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Speaking of IOS looping=2Cblueto= oth pedals

http://davidvaldez.blogspot.com/2011/07/airturn-bluetooth= -foot-pedal-board.html


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= --_bfbd164f-a1c2-4a81-b65f-ffbd6ee355a6_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 16 23:23:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 564E2183491; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 23:23:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=axD91oQiVkOZnY7jyvVfmQilqIYett7R7HYrE/nGa8M=; b=POMP15Bg9rA2BdndOHeTM6ly/BkfdTnmI6dx/Jft/qEFONL5TP9cccLLt8t4yZqKlB vO3e3cRV3lHha1kPLURSJo3KuB+dgv6ZP7H/2aDw821PPK5YzezZ2xa7nl9WyP1CFF1a yzHdRDxT5skwbUgy2NH6j4CmSRPYUKPnqWUKE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 00:23:51 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Live Looping without "organic" instruments.. is it live looping, "MUSIC" inside (regarding a recent debate) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 23:23:52 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:43 PM, Anders Bergdahl wrote: > Hmm interesting Matt, some thoughts.. i imagined that the issue would be > "live" since i do not play an instrument.. But you do! Isn't the Octatrack an instrument? Seems so to me at least. > The difference is basically that loopers sample in a manner similar to tape > loops while a sampler usually don't try to mimic and old manipulated tape > recorder I think that's a too harsh generalization! There not much similar to tape loop manipulation in this looping performance: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4963264/glitchdub_flute_solo.mp3 Well, maybe cut-up tape techniques, but in Mobius here there is no smooth speed shift as with tape since the looper quantizes to half notes (he, he... try doing that with a tape loop) And both the big classics, the EDP and the Repeater, differ a lot from the tape idiom. But I would agree that the tape loop context is a little bit closer if looking at the Roland loopers. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 17 07:06:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B79D18348D; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 07:06:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1321513565; bh=3M2E6Xcms/5Wc0YvP/s9jSrtE8+8A1xYEontNQkyHz0=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Date:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer; b=chAqYnxeNMyB5Rr0OIP226uYsm8qoouljK0bKWOUg7fKz+V54TagbQyWtXqd665vCTcQtbUz7bvN7ERvI25p9QEj8z1kih+5kmY8jqTG6sexP1gIoyDuC5u6em8fI/5PipATG8O5LbRcdBIgNpgtBYHRbpXb3i8H+vO5REgqejg= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 286386.10260.bm@smtp145.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 8yKklUMVM1nbsmB73TXWjxNrF4Khce1vXVg0K5DGe0lj3zb shWaNSmnazIGU4j9Bfdyw79xvo3bGQccg7BTRb5kY6breDI7Q8HiiJ4VpTYk uueLV3nlMGc7OqxqYsDUm5i4wKaveSeNNPNLQGNx0SMuD6DB3lqMeTo7_YGb zP1lcycw.I439CRAGOYiPg.jW4xui64EDBOCwdg3W5gIO1djo2uXpwPqByBH p8Zq_Q_bY9G4IbvkTWfvghJalb_1vvcxaAkVRbZRgHPJvrc5Y4zuPGYPC1lU deHW5ycRVwRM1Ma1unfo3h.PwX_8uipR9neIqmR9CXaSfitdP9F5yul5Y4Bv vMBmVTfN7hNwTycGG803MKQw55q9FoiuOceq1yAtDNgXFj2Fqxt4axZb1hq9 dSpKtnigmJo5zO6Kw11.z1ATaJf3ueKr5uRDk1K.d341CYaKJF7MUpI9uIMA wFDxIhR9BMExw8DTZACLVmn4Nnt9Ulrmt2TSqgTZXSpyXZ8Em1HcN.MizFhT TES4sHx2eSj_lLNnA4avTLIep1ToxwTd9UkZ8EoUDu7JgE.LX.jc2T27UVoM sZsbyaOp1KdZHhehyVmEknCmRGHgWtM2wMSiwhzEDsJZfLN7nrA1U4pFInZY xEUxOtfXwVJ8yU6YJH.eJNut87UIo3BNZbW5IioMMQbsS.Zm0YM4Rz0MdHHq y.Q-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 75CdczOswBChen.W3AbLhaW8TlC96TVo5w-- From: Ben To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:06:04 +0100 Subject: Re: Live Looping without "organic" instruments.. is it live looping,"MUSIC" inside (regarding a recent debate) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <20111117080604.B19FC960.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: nPOPuk Ver 2.16 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 07:06:06 +0000 (UTC) Hi, ... and how would you call someone recording audio signal used to trigger sounds ;-) Imagine the path( I never tested this but this can be possible with the gear I own): Guitar > looper (audio) > sonuus G2M (audio to midi) > some synth(midi) > PA. The same should be possible with "vintage" synths using CV. Has anyone already tried to loop the CV signal? I mean in a audio looper. There might be some extra electronics needed. This is "live audio loop sequencing"? ;-) Ben. -------------------------------------------------- Matt Davignon wrote: (16/11/2011 23:09) > I would call that "Live Sequencing", which would be different but similar > to live looping. The difference would be that in live looping, the "loop" > is an actual audio signal, where in "live sequencing", the actual loop is a > set of trigger instructions. > > Similarly, programming a drum machine in real time would also be "live > sequencing". (I do that occasionally in my band Tiny Owl.) > > Of course, you could then run audio output of the sequence into a looping > device. In that case, it would be live looping. > > So here's the big question - how important is it for you to call it "live > looping"? I think live sequencing can be just as interesting. > > It occurs to me we could get into a fine line of argument here. When you > write audio into a digital loop, you are literally saving a set of > instructions for rebuilding the audio signal. So where live sequencing > would say, "At this moment, activate this sound with these parameters", > live looping would say, "At this moment, the waveform should be at this > voltage." To me, they are different because they present different sets of > possibilities of how you interact with the loop. To most listeners, the > difference is probably much more subtle than that of playing guitar with a > pick vs with your fingers. > > -- > Matt Davignon > mattdavignon@gmail.com > www.ribosomemusic.com > Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com > Rigs! http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt > > > > On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Anders Bergdahl < > anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > SO, i have now tried to do live looping with only canned samples. This > > piece of music (and noise): > > http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/canned-sonic-evolution > > > > is it "live looping" it's four samples on a step sequencer sampler played > > live, some times i "live" trigger the samples sometimes I use the > > sequences. Also - this machine (Elktron Octatrack) allows you to "record" > > live triggering of samples and the effect and changes in playback > > speed, re-triggering, pitch, length of samples etc that you perform > > "live"... > > Why do I think this is live looping, well... every run through the > > sequencer is a loop, I can record live all that is captured in the > > sequence. I try, as I do with ordinary looping, to tweak all the time so > > that there is development and there is NO way I could ever do this exact > > recording again. I could stat with the same sounds again but something else > > would be the result.. > > (and I use the delay on the octatrack to loop as well... =) > > > > So do YOU consider this a a form of Live Looping.. Enjoy the discussion.. > > > > Anders > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 17 08:59:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7021818348D; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:59:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=T0ItlYwUaEF/0QARHmdWFpmfP/KDDm+0w8LRaIKkvkY=; b=hFUpunWm5TR8cuNa+x9jnk+V3ablUWV9fnUJERehFfh3wQkxIx6JQq9x7Ny9D76fc5 YWC7rjne4DQLJ4/cb5u/xnRMSkifbosr7QYW0kwOTCL7dPz+XPTIAZhd3BigxBlVJDXU /NJ2zKY3O92MgDCH9U6OpftuqM/fa3GQupnPE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20111117080604.B19FC960.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> References: <20111117080604.B19FC960.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:59:57 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Live Looping without "organic" instruments.. is it live looping,"MUSIC" inside (regarding a recent debate) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:59:58 +0000 (UTC) Very interesting questions brought up by Ben. Myself I look less to what happens in a technical sense (whether audio or data is being manipulated) but more to who I'm talking to and the nature of the processing itself: If anything you create is caught to repeatedly come back I think it is a loop. And if you use that to make music you are looping. If comping audio looping and step sequencing I think the same goes: If recording one long part or creating one long sequence you are not looping, but if working with a short repeating piece of audio or building a part form a shorter repeating pattern it is looping. But generally I avoid words like looping and sequencing to avoid confusion. Of course it depends on who you are talking to, but my usual "self description" is to say that I incorporate interactive electronics into the instrument I play and perform with. If talking to a journalist at a musician's magazine or if talking to a musician you may go into fine definitions because you know they have the experience to follow what you are saying. But for most people I find that seem to end up thinking just "he is extending his instrument with electronics" anyway. For an academic paper it would be necessary to iron out the terminology in a precise way, but then you will bump into that classic situation where most people outside those circle just think you're nuts ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Ben wrote: > Hi, > > ... and how would you call someone recording audio signal used to > trigger sounds ;-) > > Imagine the path( I never tested this but this can be possible with > the gear I own): > > Guitar > looper (audio) > sonuus G2M (audio to midi) > some > synth(midi) > PA. > The same should be possible with "vintage" synths using CV. Has anyone > already tried to loop the CV signal? I mean in a audio looper. There > might be some extra electronics needed. > > This is "live audio loop sequencing"? ;-) > > Ben. > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Matt Davignon wrote: > (16/11/2011 23:09) > >> I would call that "Live Sequencing", which would be different but simila= r >> to live looping. The difference would be that in live looping, the "loop= " >> is an actual audio signal, where in "live sequencing", the actual loop i= s a >> set of trigger instructions. >> >> Similarly, programming a drum machine in real time would also be "live >> sequencing". (I do that occasionally in my band Tiny Owl.) >> >> Of course, you could then run audio output of the sequence into a loopin= g >> device. In that case, it would be live looping. >> >> So here's the big question - how important is it for you to call it "liv= e >> looping"? I think live sequencing can be just as interesting. >> >> It occurs to me we could get into a fine line of argument here. When you >> write audio into a digital loop, you are literally saving a set of >> instructions for rebuilding the audio signal. So where live sequencing >> would say, "At this moment, activate this sound with these parameters", >> live looping would say, "At this moment, the waveform should be at this >> voltage." To me, they are different because they present different sets = of >> possibilities of how you interact with the loop. To most listeners, the >> difference is probably much more subtle than that of playing guitar with= a >> pick vs with your fingers. >> >> -- >> Matt Davignon >> mattdavignon@gmail.com >> www.ribosomemusic.com >> Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com >> Rigs! http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt >> >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Anders Bergdahl < >> anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> > =C2=A0SO, i have now tried to do live looping with only canned samples= . This >> > piece of music (and noise): >> > http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/canned-sonic-evolution >> > >> > is it "live looping" it's four samples on a step sequencer sampler pla= yed >> > live, some times i "live" trigger the samples sometimes I use the >> > sequences. Also - this machine (Elktron Octatrack) allows you to "reco= rd" >> > live triggering of samples and the effect and changes in playback >> > speed, re-triggering, pitch, length of samples etc that you perform >> > "live"... >> > Why do I think this is live looping, well... every run through the >> > sequencer is a loop, I can record live all that is captured in the >> > sequence. I try, as I do with ordinary looping, to tweak all the time = so >> > that there is development and there is NO way I could ever do this exa= ct >> > recording again. I could stat with the same sounds again but something= else >> > would be the result.. >> > (and I use the delay on the octatrack to loop as well... =3D) >> > >> > So do YOU consider this a a form of Live Looping.. Enjoy the discussio= n.. >> > >> > Anders >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 17 09:12:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0745A183486; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:12:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 698587631/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.27.243/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.27.243 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBALjPxE5YbRvz/2dsb2JhbAAMNqx2AQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWBAsJAwIBAgFFHAGHfrNihwKDFQSZXIxV X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,525,1315177200"; d="scan'208";a="698587631" Message-ID: <4EC4D006.4070300@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:12:38 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping without "organic" instruments.. is it live looping, "MUSIC" inside (regarding a recent debate) References: , In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:12:24 +0000 (UTC) Anders Bergdahl wrote: >SO it believe > it something that Live Loopers ought to be interested in. The assumption here is that live loop users aren't interested in other forms of looping. At least I expect that any live looper that wanted to groove put in some time listening to canned beats to sus out what works. >I can't say > that my example would be more looping if i used the EDP to re sample the > output of the sampler.. since i can resample with the sampler.. You mean 'live looping' rather than 'looping' here? I don't think it's hard to make a rational definition of live looping. If you prepared your loops in advance then they aren't live, but if you play the loops and resample them into another loop device (or indeed using the same loop device) you start live looping. So it's easy enough to determine whether you're "using live looping techniques", even though it might not be easy to tell from listening. Hope the discussion gets you more listens ;-) > and if > you would do cool EDP inserts would that differ from slicing, mixing and > resample to alreade sampled loops/samples?? The EDP Insert works in by splicing new material into the loop, so that the loop length is increased. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 17 09:28:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE24418348B; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:28:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=Yz8RpOl+RyLqSKDf0KOnoGYIyVHpua3inM1MGNGQXak=; b=GGOicTODcidxiaAdbNIPTEeFFNMVwd4H6gn4hztoZkv3b1eBzMmQ0KF1iVV9mvn1PT CFxAGzrcVkVx2iiK0LVx7pGHqbrgXr+BhntYKngJuX5j53Qzc+TBLaYkkbXBEUr9cpMM IpGh6YrAUPTXNBx6x8sjjcvJDl89MKSt81w78= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <20111117080604.B19FC960.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 10:28:21 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: eoqsCOw_V-6KEW2Cbq-A58Flc7E Message-ID: Subject: Re: Live Looping without "organic" instruments.. is it live looping,"MUSIC" inside (regarding a recent debate) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04451863a5fa2404b1ead81b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:28:43 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04451863a5fa2404b1ead81b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Very interesting questions brought up by Ben. > > Indeed, interesting thread, I love these "defining what we do" threads. But I must say that Ive never had any trouble myself. Firstly I find that anyone I speak to about looping, knows what it is! All musicians are aware of looping pedals nowadays, and if you say to a NON-musician.. I do looping, they gettit.. sort of! To ask whether to programming a sequencer of drum-machine, live, and "on the fly" is looping, is just nonsense.. its not looping! Its LIVE SEQUENCING... and thats EXTREMELY cool too! The fact that you might be sequencing samples you have made is irrelevant, they were PRE-made so not looping! To loop, you have to er... loop something! That means some live input. In the case of 1 or 2 tools that allow both, octatrack for example, I think that is both live looping and sequencing. And just because this is Loopers Delight, it doesnt mean we can=B4t talk about it. As for Bens suggestion of triggering synths from a loping audio source, it works.. Ive tried. But its not very good. Most analog synths trigger by a gate, trigger or clock signal. These are all the same generally (some exceptions) but is usually a positive going pulse of a few milliseconds, (the exception being the gate signal that is positive for as long as you require the gate (key) open (pressed) Its quite a high signal, usually 5 volts, and to get that from an audio source requires amplification. lots! I used a big muff! This is a good choice as it effectivly turns the signal into a square wave. However, the amount of background noise it generates brings up the lower threshold as well, so oyu need a noise gate or expander too... EVEN then the signal you get is rather erratic and you will get loads of misfires and wibbles (technical modular synth term). Once I even took the beat sync OUT from one edp into the in of another, then brother synched them together. They synched, but as I drpped in some of the constant clicks from the beat synch jack using insert, this created a varying rhythm for the synths to trigger from (the beat sync out from EDP is already a good synth trig) But.. was it worth it---? Er no.. fun for 5 minutes... max! --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d04451863a5fa2404b1ead81b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
Very interesting questions brought up by Ben.


Indeed, interesting thread, I love these= "defining what we do" threads.
But I must say that Ive never = had any trouble myself.

Firstly I find that anyone I speak to about = looping, knows what it is! All musicians are aware of looping pedals nowada= ys, and if you say to a NON-musician.. I do looping, they gettit.. sort of!=

To ask whether to programming a sequencer of drum-machine, live, and &q= uot;on the fly"=A0 is looping, is just nonsense.. its not looping! Its= LIVE SEQUENCING... and thats EXTREMELY cool too! The fact that you might b= e sequencing samples you have made is irrelevant, they were PRE-made so not= looping!

To loop, you have to er... loop something! That means some live input. = In the case of 1 or 2 tools that allow both, octatrack for example, I think= that is both live looping and sequencing.

And just because this is = Loopers Delight, it doesnt mean we can=B4t talk about it.

As for Bens suggestion of triggering synths from a loping audio source,= it works.. Ive tried. But its not very good. Most analog synths trigger by= a gate, trigger or clock signal. These are all the same generally (some ex= ceptions) but is usually a positive going pulse of a few milliseconds, (the= exception being the gate signal that is positive for as long as you requir= e the gate (key) open (pressed) Its quite a high signal, usually 5 volts, a= nd to get that from an audio source requires amplification. lots! I used a = big muff! This is a good choice as it effectivly turns the signal into a sq= uare wave. However, the amount of background noise it generates brings up t= he lower threshold as well, so oyu need a noise gate or expander too... EVE= N then the signal you get is rather erratic and you will get loads of misfi= res and wibbles (technical modular synth term).

<edp specific shit>
Once I even took the beat sync OUT from on= e edp into the in of another, then brother synched them together. They sync= hed, but as I drpped in some of the constant clicks from the beat synch jac= k using insert, this created a varying rhythm for the synths to trigger fro= m (the beat sync out from EDP is already a good synth trig)
</edp specific shit>

But.. was it worth it---? Er no..
fun for 5 minutes... max!





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www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--f46d04451863a5fa2404b1ead81b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 17 09:30:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CFBE18348E; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:30:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=tbRcBwpgrD9p6E+vfY8JuNn+/mmPPnx8yne7N9OO+/I=; b=gfsTxWfqWJZsMqlJ39FrWzivY3DlZzXHqcf+zU2AdVViPjvuP5XtTV5x/fb/Mrj/Z0 IyDTs6vCBcADRuktkfUNvekNblqv0EqtafatZzxfqZO2S+ajtaEdK73fW1xvAdleTHde 9QOGfaLQnOkX7DT4tBKzW2dEJwJLLOpVfysTI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4EC4D006.4070300@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4EC4D006.4070300@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 10:30:16 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Ej386lsoGP9ybbuFBq_z421HFjg Message-ID: Subject: Re: Live Looping without "organic" instruments.. is it live looping, "MUSIC" inside (regarding a recent debate) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044784c1813d8a04b1eadfd4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:30:39 +0000 (UTC) --f46d044784c1813d8a04b1eadfd4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:12 AM, andy butler wrote: > The EDP Insert works in by splicing new material into the loop, so > that the loop length is increased. > Hmm.. I never use that! -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d044784c1813d8a04b1eadfd4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:12 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wr= ote:
The EDP Insert works in by splicing new material into the = loop, so
that the loop length is increased.

Hmm.. I neve= r use that!

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http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
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--f46d044784c1813d8a04b1eadfd4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 17 10:45:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C22B918348E; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 10:45:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_26e40bb1-a4c7-49e6-bf66-82eb2ef3f302_" X-Originating-IP: [83.145.33.34] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Live Looping without "organic" instruments.. is it live looping,"MUSIC" inside (regarding a recent debate) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 10:45:53 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,<20111117080604.B19FC960.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Nov 2011 10:45:53.0376 (UTC) FILETIME=[1434A600:01CCA516] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 10:45:54 +0000 (UTC) --_26e40bb1-a4c7-49e6-bf66-82eb2ef3f302_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some more reflections.. (first a side note=2C definitions are social constr= uctions=2C if a group of language users use a word in one way it has a spec= ific meaning for them=2C and the same word could=2C and often have=2C a com= pletely different for an other group of language users... AND the only way = to communicate efficiently is to discuss with other in a manner like we do = now.. questions like "what do YOU think of when I say a certain word=2C i m= ight be surprised by your'e reactions and find that we say the same thing b= ut we mean very different things.. so to speak.. So my objective is a discu= ssion that triggers ideas not to nail down definitions=2C because you can't= we can agree to use a term in certain way but the meaning will change over= time.... well.. to the subject at hand) Mark:"To ask whether to programming a sequencer of drum-machine=2C live=2C = and "on the fly" is looping=2C is just nonsense.. its not looping! Its LIV= E SEQUENCING... and thats EXTREMELY cool too! The fact that you might be se= quencing samples you have made is irrelevant=2C they were PRE-made so not l= ooping!=20 To loop=2C you have to er... loop something! That means some live input. In= the case of 1 or 2 tools that allow both=2C octatrack for example=2C I thi= nk that is both live looping and sequencing." BUT what is a "live input" a synthesizer have a wave form as sound source= =2C as does a sampler when the sample is played=2C the wave form might be l= onger=2C a complete "loop" sometimes. But for my triggering that wave form/= loop and changing pitch and adding filters is as much live playing as playi= ng any synthesizer=2C except you are not synthesizer from an oscillator to = emulate an existing instrument or create new sounds. So live triggering and= manipulation is as much and instrument as any digital synthesizer=2C just = a different interface. For example Jan Bang is playing and INSTRUMENT when = he uses his samplers live. For the most part he is not live sequencing any = more than most keyboard players. And if i can capture that live sound manip= ulation and replay it in loops (either looping as in re sampling or being a= ble to loop the manipulating of the sound source=2C the effect is identical= . re sampling enables me to take the sound from several tracks and replay i= t on one track which frees the other track for new manipulation while retai= ning the old ones it IS live and it is looping. ) For me the interesting part to discuss is=2C HOW can one create interesting= music by letting looped recorded sounds or sequences change during perform= ance. And then=2C what advantages does different types of "instruments" (lo= opers=2C samplers=2C software enviroments) support creative music making. A= s i think someone said before=2C to have written down music being played ba= ck by an orchestra or a sequencer is not that different=2C it becomes live = if the playback can be affected and reacted to live. The conductor and musi= cians adjust then music in real time=2C and a person manipulating loops and= sequences can change the flow live to adjust to what he hears... OR.. = --_26e40bb1-a4c7-49e6-bf66-82eb2ef3f302_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Some more refle= ctions.. (first a side note=2C definitions are social constructions=2C if a= group of language users use a word in one way it has a specific meaning fo= r them=2C and the same word could=2C and often have=2C a completely differe= nt for an other group of language users... AND the only way to communicate = efficiently is to discuss with other in a manner like we do now.. questions= like "what do YOU think of when I say a =3Bcertain =3Bword=2C i mi= ght be surprised by your'e reactions and find that we say the same thing bu= t we mean very different things.. so to speak.. So my objective is a discus= sion that triggers ideas not to nail down definitions=2C =3Bbecause&nbs= p=3Byou can't we can agree to use a term in certain way but the meaning wil= l change over time.... well.. to the subject at hand)

Mark:"To ask whether to program= ming a sequencer of drum-machine=2C live=2C and "on the fly" =3B is loo= ping=2C is just nonsense.. its not looping! Its LIVE SEQUENCING... and that= s EXTREMELY cool too! The fact that you might be sequencing samples you hav= e made is irrelevant=2C they were PRE-made so not looping! =3B

T= o loop=2C you have to er... loop something! That means some live input. In = the case of 1 or 2 tools that allow both=2C octatrack for example=2C I thin= k that is both live looping and sequencing."

BUT what is a "live input" a =3Bsynthe= sizer have a =3Bwave =3Bform as sound source=2C as does a sampler w= hen the sample is played=2C the wave form might be longer=2C a complete "lo= op" sometimes. But for my triggering that wave form/loop and changing pitch= and adding filters is as much live playing as playing any synthesizer=2C&n= bsp=3Bexcept =3Byou are not =3Bsynthesizer =3Bfrom an oscillato= r to emulate an =3Bexisting =3Binstrument or create new sounds. So = live triggering and manipulation is as much and instrument as any digital&n= bsp=3Bsynthesizer=2C just a different interface. For example Jan Bang is pl= aying and INSTRUMENT when he uses his samplers live. For the most part he i= s not live sequencing any more than most =3Bkeyboard =3Bplayers. An= d if i can capture that live sound manipulation and replay it in loops (eit= her looping as in re sampling or being able to loop the manipulating of the= sound source=2C the effect is identical. re sampling enables me to take th= e sound from several tracks and replay it on one track which frees the othe= r track for new manipulation while retaining the old ones it IS live and it= is looping. )

For me the =3Binteresting =3Bpart to discus= s is=2C HOW can one create interesting music by letting looped recorded sou= nds or sequences change during performance. And then=2C what advantages doe= s different types of "instruments" (loopers=2C samplers=2C software envirom= ents) support creative music making. =3B
As i think someone said be= fore=2C to have written down music being played back by an orchestra or a s= equencer is not that different=2C it becomes live if the playback can be af= fected and reacted to live. The =3Bconductor =3Band =3Bmusician= s =3Badjust then music in real time=2C and a person manipulating loops = and =3Bsequences =3Bcan change the flow live to adjust to what he h= ears...

OR..


= --_26e40bb1-a4c7-49e6-bf66-82eb2ef3f302_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 17 11:10:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92A7618348D; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:10:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=5GtxkVF5LshNXPAXTFhyiwIZRpvdJvc6koy0Nn2Qeps=; b=uk7nMyhOOqZpMhCNevfyaa4NbEkcdO7FO65LFKrfIMtCp1hxiaJRPEIl9MP+r8Avwi QwXuJ8wzTUJZ9L43QUYzqpvfU9g6qunwVsPllsS0CeyM5uo9HMgFfpLpR+uHIu/4+CPa Sr8D/XJuG6REsxS2BRz/CzEreacL6eBOowzOM= Message-ID: <4EC4EBB8.7040107@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:10:48 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the 111111 project References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:10:51 +0000 (UTC) Am 12.11.11 07:33, schrieb Jim Goodin: > 1:11 after 11/11/11 > a nice one, thanks for sharing... And this is my version... http://soundcloud.com/ondes-memorielles/11-11-11-11-11-11-for-11 I was almost on the spot, the start was minimally delayed, but within 11 minutes after 11:11. I am using Tibetan bowles and all sorts of bells and whistles into my Ondes Memorielles. This is the first performance with my brand new Macbook Air... Stefan -- Les Ondes Memorielles--------x-- -_____-----------|-----------|-- -(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- - _|_)----|-----()-------------- ---------()----------TJ Shredder http://tjshredder.wordpress.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 17 11:15:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CA50183494; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:15:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Subject: Re: Live looping cello performances From: Michael Tyson In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:15:17 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7D00951D-5EFE-45EC-A7D5-55FE1926875A@atastypixel.com> References: <1D96205D-768B-46E1-95B0-34748E5C1A49@atastypixel.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - rona.site5.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - atastypixel.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:15:28 +0000 (UTC) Hmm... I think he has an iRig, from memory, which provides separate = input and output plugs, and plugs into the top headphone socket. He's projecting it onto the screen behind via a little camera that sits = just above the bridge of his cello, focused on the device's screen. On 16 Nov 2011, at 09:53, Louie Angulo wrote: > brilliant,and the sound is quite natural how is he hooking up the > iphone to his cello and projecting it in the background? >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Michael Tyson = wrote: >> Hey list - I thought I'd share a couple of links to some performance = videos: >> David Fern=E1ndez (aka ecce cello, eccecello.com), a professional = cellist who >> uses live-looping in his performance uploaded these recently - = they're worth >> a look, he's really very good: >> http://youtu.be/vpl0imszbxs (live performance recording) >> http://youtu.be/ns2mejEJHNg (demonstrating his technique, with the >> live-looper app shown projected on a screen behind) >> http://youtu.be/ohQF80Yx-44 >> He's using Loopy, my iPhone/iPad live looper app (so obviously I'm = well >> chuffed to see it being used to such impressive effect! =3D) >> Cheers, >> Michael >>=20 >> -- >> Michael Tyson | atastypixel.com >> A Tasty Pixel: Artisan apps >> Loopy HD has been released! Savvy, tactile live looping on the iPad. >> Find us on Facebook, and Twitter >> Subscribe to our newsletter >> aim: mikerusselltyson >> twitter: MichaelTyson >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > www.luis-angulo.com >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 17 11:20:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9897D183491; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:20:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Michael Tyson Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_AFA55B95-EF07-4B16-9603-1BE459C2BA3E" Subject: Re: Live looping cello performances Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:19:48 +0100 In-Reply-To: <7627CB44-02E4-4675-ADEC-C82A70A36D7B@earthwormandfire.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <1D96205D-768B-46E1-95B0-34748E5C1A49@atastypixel.com> <7627CB44-02E4-4675-ADEC-C82A70A36D7B@earthwormandfire.com> Message-Id: <7E23C16F-68EE-433B-9D07-4AFB21C93059@atastypixel.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - rona.site5.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - atastypixel.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:20:02 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_AFA55B95-EF07-4B16-9603-1BE459C2BA3E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 David's got an iPod Touch, 4th gen, I think, which is similar in = hardware to the iPhone 4. Loopy'll probably run best on the iPad, as it's newer hardware, but it = should be fine on the 3Gs too (if it's not, I recommend rebooting the = device, and maybe even experimenting with things like turning off = WiFi/Bluetooth, which take a little CPU time to run sometimes). I've = recently made some big optimisations, ready for release with the next = update (along with MIDI clock sync and footswitch/etc control at last, = huzzah!), so the next version should be even 3Gs-friendlier. On 16 Nov 2011, at 15:10, chaz worm wrote: > I have that app but haven't reloaded it after my os5 cracked up all my = apps. I never used it anywhere near like that though. Wow.=20 > What iPhone is he using. Mine is just a 3GS. I didn't seem that it had = that kind of use ability.=20 > Technology is really spoiling me. I remember realizing that my = DSP128's digital delay had an infinite hold on it so I could layer my = own (out-of-tune) harmonies I thought the world was my oyster. That was = over 20 years ago.=20 > Will Loopy performance be better on my 32gb 3GS or my 16gb iPad (first = gen?!?) > I must learn to utilize things better. That was very impressive.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo > Earth, Worm, &, Fire and > Electric Light Opry > http://chazworm.com > http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm >=20 >=20 > On Nov 15, 2011, at 10:21 AM, Michael Tyson = wrote: >=20 >> Hey list - I thought I'd share a couple of links to some performance = videos: >>=20 >> David Fern=E1ndez (aka ecce cello, eccecello.com), a professional = cellist who uses live-looping in his performance uploaded these recently = - they're worth a look, he's really very good: >>=20 >> http://youtu.be/vpl0imszbxs (live performance recording) >> http://youtu.be/ns2mejEJHNg (demonstrating his technique, with the = live-looper app shown projected on a screen behind) >> http://youtu.be/ohQF80Yx-44 >>=20 >> He's using Loopy, my iPhone/iPad live looper app (so obviously I'm = well chuffed to see it being used to such impressive effect! =3D) >>=20 >> Cheers, >> Michael >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Michael Tyson | atastypixel.com >> A Tasty Pixel: Artisan apps >>=20 >> Loopy HD has been released! Savvy, tactile live looping on the iPad. >>=20 >> Find us on Facebook, and Twitter >> Subscribe to our newsletter >>=20 >> aim: mikerusselltyson >> twitter: MichaelTyson >>=20 --Apple-Mail=_AFA55B95-EF07-4B16-9603-1BE459C2BA3E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1

On 16 Nov 2011, at 15:10, chaz worm wrote:

I have that app but haven't reloaded it after = my os5 cracked up all my apps. I never used it anywhere near like that = though. Wow. 
What iPhone is he using. Mine is just a = 3GS. I didn't seem that it had that kind of use = ability. 
Technology is really spoiling me. I remember = realizing that my DSP128's digital delay had an infinite hold on it so I = could layer my own (out-of-tune) harmonies I thought the world was my = oyster. That was over 20 years ago. 
Will Loopy = performance be better on my 32gb 3GS or my 16gb iPad (first = gen?!?)
I must learn to utilize things better. That was very = impressive. 
Chaz = Worm - singer, bass, banjo
Earth, Worm, &, = Fire and
Electric Light Opry

On Nov 15, 2011, at 10:21 AM, Michael = Tyson <michael@atastypixel.com> = wrote:

Hey = list - I thought I'd share a couple of links to some performance = videos:

David Fern=E1ndez (aka ecce cello, eccecello.com), a professional = cellist who uses live-looping in his performance uploaded these recently = - they're worth a look, he's really very = good:

http://youtu.be/vpl0imszbxs = (live performance recording)
http://youtu.be/ns2mejEJHNg = (demonstrating his technique, with the live-looper app shown projected = on a screen behind)
http://youtu.be/ohQF80Yx-44
<= br>
He's using Loopy, my iPhone/iPad live looper app (so = obviously I'm well chuffed to see it being used to such impressive = effect! = =3D)

Cheers,
Michael


-- 
A Tasty Pixel: Artisan apps

Loopy HD has been released! Savvy, tactile live looping on the = iPad.

Find us = on Facebook, and Twitter
Subscribe to = our newsletter

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In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:27:47 +0000 (UTC) Am 16.11.11 20:55, schrieb Anders Bergdahl: > is it "live looping" it's four samples on a step sequencer sampler > played live, some times i "live" trigger the samples sometimes I use the > sequences. Also - this machine (Elktron Octatrack) allows you to > "record" live triggering of samples and the effect and changes in > playback speed, re-triggering, pitch, length of samples etc that you > perform "live"... In live looping, there are usually two parts, one is creating sound, the other is looping it. If you use prerecorded samples which are played (looped or not doesn't matter in this case), that is part of the sound creation comparable to a traditional instrument like a guitar. If you loop your sounds or your control signals doesn't matter, as long you control the looping process live, its live looping... But live sequencing sounds appropriate as well, as it is in fact the more complex variant of looping. The most simple loop is a constant beat trigger of the same event for example a sample or a live recorded sample. If I vary the rhythm and pitch in a sequence, I get a more complex sort of looping... Live sequencing does belong on this list as well... my 2 cents -- Les Ondes Memorielles--------x-- -_____-----------|-----------|-- -(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- - _|_)----|-----()-------------- ---------()----------TJ Shredder http://tjshredder.wordpress.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 17 12:00:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97D3D18348E; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:00:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=wIBYrO6HWb0tAikP2JDnUI4LXTuGO88/oGoDJE3gBHA=; b=bo7RjBrnk9fjxQF0/90uz+2/HLQ9MCLqhtbBjVRWiARg8EthgOhbsxg4zswmaSQEpQ yeUFwF6KCDIkfOlfW36MDu1iyY0QfbQybS0z/SgxxoQR+Rwg0cBX2UfkX0U4U28vU08Y +6mV0V02upjZy68fgnh1D13dhIW2rDjftVjR4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20111117080604.B19FC960.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:00:49 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Live Looping without "organic" instruments.. is it live looping,"MUSIC" inside (regarding a recent debate) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:00:50 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:28 AM, mark francombe wrote: > > Once I even took the beat sync OUT from one edp into the in of another, then > brother synched them together. They synched, but as I drpped in some of the > constant clicks from the beat synch jack using insert, this created a > varying rhythm for the synths to trigger from (the beat sync out from EDP is > already a good synth trig) > Indeed! (more EDP specifics here) I too found the beat sync output to be a good trig pulse. I recorded it into a DAW as SMPTE locked audio on an audio track. Simultaneously on another audio track I was recording the source audio played into the EDP for the live looping performance. Finally, on a third track, I was recording the control MIDI sent into the EDP by me when "playing the EDP". With these three DAW tracks all in sync I switched the EDP to "Sync = In" and fed it from the DAW playback output with the recorded EDP sync beat, the recorded EDP source audio and the EDP control MIDI data. What happened then was that my EDP live looping performance was re-created in every detail! Why did I bother to do all that? Because I only owned one EDP and needed to create music with parallel loops going. So I kept on repeating the same process, running my EDP synced from the first recorded sync beat pulse and that way I filled up a bunch of multi tracker DAW EDP tracks to be mixed. It all worked out very well. (This was ten years ago, pre Mobius) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 17 12:05:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB4BC18348D; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:05:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=80A/DUEFt3PMGc59vfbdAkPvrG9Lvhga+93CcHrPY9s=; b=BuLQiCcZkFVLvFYne66MOdEmBXjBVoE3Nce3TgOP9WAI52i8U4GMpNIdVonmc1j4hF /m7GKPM+2QdPZ0Pnymr1RlOfPERlOC/EvdhvbeWMmUprikUPSs3oQsPZKko/nk/+jBP2 4C6cafYexbPxETIVhVhVlf84JBFJrvDrY32tQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7E23C16F-68EE-433B-9D07-4AFB21C93059@atastypixel.com> References: <1D96205D-768B-46E1-95B0-34748E5C1A49@atastypixel.com> <7627CB44-02E4-4675-ADEC-C82A70A36D7B@earthwormandfire.com> <7E23C16F-68EE-433B-9D07-4AFB21C93059@atastypixel.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:05:37 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Live looping cello performances From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:05:38 +0000 (UTC) Nice that he can mount the iPhone on the cello's bridge. But for doing more fun looping he would need to include some foot controller. This was like 99,9 percent cello playing and 0.1 percent looping, I mean; he just used the looper to play back what he had already played on the cello. For this "recording layers" style of live looping the iPhone/Loopy seems to work amazingly well :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Michael Tyson w= rote: > David's got an iPod Touch, 4th gen, I think, which is similar in hardware= to > the iPhone 4. > Loopy'll probably run best on the iPad, as it's newer hardware, but it > should be fine on the 3Gs too (if it's not, I recommend rebooting the > device, and maybe even experimenting with things like turning off > WiFi/Bluetooth, which take a little CPU time to run sometimes). I've > recently made some big optimisations, ready for release with the next upd= ate > (along with MIDI clock sync and footswitch/etc control at last, huzzah!),= so > the next version should be even 3Gs-friendlier. > On 16 Nov 2011, at 15:10, chaz worm wrote: > > I have that app but haven't reloaded it after my os5 cracked up all my ap= ps. > I never used it anywhere near like that though. Wow. > What iPhone is he using. Mine is just a 3GS. I didn't seem that it had th= at > kind of use ability. > Technology is really spoiling me. I remember realizing that my DSP128's > digital delay had an infinite hold on it so I could layer my own > (out-of-tune) harmonies I thought the world was my oyster. That was over = 20 > years ago. > Will Loopy performance be better on my 32gb 3GS or my 16gb iPad (first > gen?!?) > I must learn to utilize things better. That was very impressive. > > > Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo > Earth, Worm, &, Fire and > Electric Light Opry > http://chazworm.com > http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm > > > On Nov 15, 2011, at 10:21 AM, Michael Tyson wro= te: > > Hey list - I thought I'd share a couple of links to some performance vide= os: > David Fern=C3=A1ndez (aka ecce cello, eccecello.com), a professional cell= ist who > uses live-looping in his performance uploaded these recently - they're wo= rth > a look, he's really very good: > http://youtu.be/vpl0imszbxs (live performance recording) > http://youtu.be/ns2mejEJHNg (demonstrating his technique, with the > live-looper app shown projected on a screen behind) > http://youtu.be/ohQF80Yx-44 > He's using Loopy, my iPhone/iPad live looper app (so obviously I'm well > chuffed to see it being used to such impressive effect! =3D) > Cheers, > Michael > > -- > Michael=C2=A0Tyson=C2=A0|=C2=A0atastypixel.com > A Tasty Pixel: Artisan apps > Loopy HD=C2=A0has been released! Savvy, tactile live looping on the iPad. > Find us on=C2=A0Facebook, and=C2=A0Twitter > Subscribe to our newsletter > aim: mikerusselltyson > twitter:=C2=A0MichaelTyson > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 17 13:35:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6FB818348E; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:35:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=jjECQYsViH5ppIaucXauiu/ICQDwJFQaPzozPLSnZGs=; b=XBgUTRZ5J2E/J9mIczJzM4zn+JxLbiljklTg2fa0MOtQMt+j8Y1TIAF2eM7Ut7eBif /83c/KBgLemjojGLjdYQat7ttybQ6DbXqQu8WyFNcHV6wU1UaU9WLXLJNxrRP6VBrZ0Q tM26Ucy+ubIAj7o7HcBXINeAvuMm/+Wcn2lro= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <20111117080604.B19FC960.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:35:25 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: VguQYVff4yd-rxN5-UNUmkk-6v8 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Live Looping without "organic" instruments.. is it live looping,"MUSIC" inside (regarding a recent debate) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30549ced7e599604b1ee4cc3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:35:52 +0000 (UTC) --20cf30549ced7e599604b1ee4cc3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Phew Per!! And I thought my messin was tricky! And you... needing all those tracks!! Twas one of the reasons I removed half the tracks in Mobius.. too much for me!!! Last nights gig proved this... had 2 EDPs running... then stopped both dead for a big finale... Oh no.. there a loop still going... but where... both EDPs saying dot... then I realised... Vortex patch!!! DOH!! but hey... its Improv man... no-one noticed... (Im ALWAYS nervously checking and fiddling with gear, so Im sure no-one saw the difference!! Mark > Indeed! (more EDP specifics here) I too found the beat sync output to > be a good trig pulse. I recorded it into a DAW as SMPTE locked audio > on an audio track. Simultaneously on another audio track I was > recording the source audio played into the EDP for the live looping > performance. Finally, on a third track, I was recording the control > MIDI sent into the EDP by me when "playing the EDP". With these three > DAW tracks all in sync I switched the EDP to "Sync = In" and fed it > from the DAW playback output with the recorded EDP sync beat, the > recorded EDP source audio and the EDP control MIDI data. What happened > then was that my EDP live looping performance was re-created in every > detail! Why did I bother to do all that? Because I only owned one EDP > and needed to create music with parallel loops going. So I kept on > repeating the same process, running my EDP synced from the first > recorded sync beat pulse and that way I filled up a bunch of multi > tracker DAW EDP tracks to be mixed. It all worked out very well. (This > was ten years ago, pre Mobius) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf30549ced7e599604b1ee4cc3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Phew Per!! And I thought my messin was tricky! And you... needing all those= tracks!!
Twas one of the reasons I removed half the tracks in Mobius.. = too much for me!!!

Last nights gig proved this... had 2 EDPs running= ... then stopped both dead for a big finale... Oh no.. there a loop still g= oing... but where... both EDPs saying dot... then I realised... Vortex patc= h!!! DOH!!=A0 but hey... its Improv man... no-one noticed... (Im ALWAYS ner= vously checking and fiddling with gear, so Im sure no-one saw the differenc= e!!

Mark




Indeed! (more EDP specifics here) I too found the beat sync output to=
be a good trig pulse. I recorded it into a DAW as SMPTE locked audio
on an audio track. Simultaneously on another audio track I was
recording the source audio played into the EDP for the live looping
performance. Finally, on a third track, I was recording the control
MIDI sent into the EDP by me when "playing the EDP". With these t= hree
DAW tracks all in sync I switched the EDP to "Sync =3D In" and fe= d it
from the DAW playback output with the recorded EDP sync beat, the
recorded EDP source audio and the EDP control MIDI data. What happened
then was that my EDP live looping performance was re-created in every
detail! Why did I bother to do all that? Because I only owned one EDP
and needed to create music with parallel loops going. So I kept on
repeating the same process, running my EDP synced from the first
recorded sync beat pulse and that way I filled up a bunch of multi
tracker DAW EDP tracks to be mixed. It all worked out very well. (This
was ten years ago, pre Mobius)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen




--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--20cf30549ced7e599604b1ee4cc3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 17 16:30:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51DBC18348D; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:30:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:30:24 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.5.7110,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-11-17_03:2011-11-17,2011-11-17,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1111170137 Subject: LP1 restarting From: kenn lowy In-reply-to: <20111117133553.6DDB6183493@arsenic.violacea.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 10:30:09 -0500 Message-id: <2B0F2F78-3B13-4CC2-ADCE-E5F70BE00922@me.com> References: <20111117133553.6DDB6183493@arsenic.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:30:24 +0000 (UTC) has anyone had the problem of the LP1 crashing and then going into a restart loop? it's happened to me in the past and has just started doing it again. i'll be playing and looping and it will just restart. klowy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 17 18:30:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9046118348D; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 18:30:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=VnbJoVdEbkpS2h0YM6vbpbVXDcWc4PzZVhbN/94rJWE=; b=lc1PE++iK9mlwndGMW/+jzJwKeXtV64QlGRdZTvZWggnaAb9u9BCf4GcultProkK5E 8fKyD6VwCV3lxjqsAk/5Qaq7rgFh9UH9k/jOynxcXwYcn5gb/UyAkgfa+iTHUs4fn4MR +CL2eFBC8J8bGHqYln0Rijj2W750oHjErnQbs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 10:30:36 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Live Looping without "organic" instruments.. is it live looping, "MUSIC" inside (regarding a recent debate) From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636416589b1ea5304b1f26a91 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 18:30:44 +0000 (UTC) --001636416589b1ea5304b1f26a91 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If your question was "is it 'live'?" then the answer is definitely yes. You are building something in real-time in front of the audience. About 10 years ago my live performances used ONLY pre-recorded loops. That is - loops of field recordings recorded onto cassette tape. The performance would be how I mixed those together, using portable cassette players. That was my "instrument". There was never any question for me as to whether it was live. The only things that are grey areas for me are: --Laptop Computer sets: Most of the people I know who use computers for live sets are actually are playing the computer as an instrument, but there are plenty who simply play audio files. Some play audio files and do live volume and fx control. --Drum Machines / Backing Tracks / Pre-recorded Loops: It'd be silly of me to say all drum machines are bad, but it is a turn off for me if a live performance includes one or more "canned" elements that do not get manipulated in real-time. I'd rather hear someone play solo guitar than hear someone play solo guitar over a pre-recorded backing track. At my venue, we call that "karaoke", even if there's no singing involved. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com Rigs! http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt Anders Bergdahl was all: > Hmm interesting Matt, some thoughts.. i imagined that the issue would be > "live" since i do not play an instrument.. BUT if you listen to Jan Bang > live with Jon Hassel for example he is triggering and manipulating samples > live. > MAtt said: "I would call that "Live Sequencing", which would be different > but similar to live looping. The difference would be that in live looping, > the "loop" is an actual audio signal, where in "live sequencing", the > actual loop is a set of trigger instructions. " > BUT there are not always a set of trigger instructions, some times i > manipulate the lenght of the sample as it plays, and the playback speed, > pitch, envelope, effects (i can also recordthese manipulations live and the > it would not really be "programming") > And in this example i run the "vocal" track into a delay with 100% > feedback and rather long feedback.. viola LOOPING :-) or... > > My main point is that playing a sampler is not very different from playing > an synth, and keeping a sequence interesting is very much like developing > the loop with inserts, overdubs and so forth. But with the > sequencer/sampler it could be adjusting pitch a a sequencer step OR doing > it for all steps while it plays.. > And no i have no need to call what I do anything, most times i play guitar > into the sampler where i sometimes just loop it while adding new tracks > which could also loop, and resample and loop that. OR I could slice a loop > and trigger slices at sequencer steps... now that is pretty much LOOPING, > or... :-) > > --001636416589b1ea5304b1f26a91 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If your question was "is it 'live'?" then the answer is d= efinitely yes. You are building something in real-time in front of the audi= ence.

About 10 years ago my live performances used ONLY pre-recorde= d loops. That is - loops of field recordings recorded onto cassette tape. T= he performance would be how I mixed those together, using portable cassette= players. That was my "instrument". There was never any question = for me as to whether it was live.

The only things that are grey areas for me are:

--Laptop Comput= er sets: Most of the people I know who use computers for live sets are actu= ally are playing the computer as an instrument, but there are plenty who si= mply play audio files. Some play audio files and do live volume and fx cont= rol.

--Drum Machines / Backing Tracks / Pre-recorded Loops:
It'd be = silly of me to say all drum machines are bad, but it is a turn off for me i= f a live performance includes one or more "canned" elements that = do not get manipulated in real-time. I'd rather hear someone play solo = guitar than hear someone play solo guitar over a pre-recorded backing track= . At my venue, we call that "karaoke", even if there's no sin= ging involved.


--
Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusic.com
Podcast! http://ribosome= matt.podomatic.com
Rigs! http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt

Anders Bergdahl <anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com> was all:
Hmm interesting Matt, some thoughts.. i im= agined that the issue would be "live" since i do not play an inst= rument.. BUT if you listen to Jan Bang live with Jon Hassel for example he = is triggering and manipulating samples live.=A0
MAtt said: "I would call that "Live Sequencing", which would= be different but similar to live looping. The difference would be that in = live looping, the "loop" is an actual audio signal, where in &quo= t;live sequencing", the actual loop is a set of trigger instructions.= =A0"
=A0BUT there are not alway= s a set of trigger instructions, some times i manipulate the lenght of the = sample as it plays, and the playback speed, pitch, envelope, effects (i can= also recordthese manipulations live and the it would not really be "p= rogramming")
And in this example i run = the "vocal" track into a delay with 100% feedback and rather long= feedback.. viola LOOPING :-) or...=A0

My main point is= that playing a sampler is not very different from playing an synth, and ke= eping a sequence interesting is very much like developing the loop with ins= erts, overdubs and so forth. But with the sequencer/sampler it could be adj= usting pitch a a sequencer step OR doing it for all steps while it plays..<= /div>
And no i have no need to c= all what I do anything, most times i play guitar into the sampler where i s= ometimes just loop it while adding new tracks which could also loop, and re= sample and loop that. OR I could slice a loop and trigger slices at sequenc= er steps... now that is pretty much LOOPING, or... :-)




--001636416589b1ea5304b1f26a91-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 17 19:32:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86135183486; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:32:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=z6kW9vxUE0sSPNVUCKJBqFj7KQo6q+bImt9bSfcMqd4=; b=DfhAiuYOf0lykhFvHKfg9rnQivAHSSbJO001G5Ka/cb0UpK6BHTYYCwYGK4OBPeJkh gzuQUyLcALLCMmhT2rm3BQ+ZO4w6nXk1X63RW8BRkG/PBrpcqQPsmABpGRekU9nsM4bz BXXYjqD2p+k/U23W1sPa1gbelhUFztpUVxN90= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:31:35 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: u9cEzemq4yXIh6C7q4k0q-79QUE Message-ID: Subject: Re: Live Looping without "organic" instruments.. is it live looping, "MUSIC" inside (regarding a recent debate) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30549ced7cf38904b1f346d2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:32:05 +0000 (UTC) --20cf30549ced7cf38904b1f346d2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > At my venue, we call that "karaoke", even if there's no singing involved. Yeah yeah, Matt, but ... um your venue is gonna say stuff like that, being (like myself) from the ahem .. upper echelons of musical pretentious-ness... I think that playing over a backing track can be cool as fuck, playing over a drum-machine can be very cool (see link below), but there does have to be some playing... live. Cheesy drum-machine played and played over by the very wonderful "Children and corpse playing in the streets". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRnUAwDaU0Y -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf30549ced7cf38904b1f346d2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Matt Davignon <mattdavignon@gmail.com> w= rote:
At my venue, we call that "karaoke", even if there's no singi= ng involved.

Yeah yeah, Matt, but ... um your venue i= s gonna say stuff like that, being (like myself) from the ahem .. upper ech= elons of musical pretentious-ness...

I think that playing over a backing track can be cool as fuck, playing = over a drum-machine can be very cool (see link below), but there does have = to be some playing... live.

Cheesy drum-machine played and played ov= er by the very wonderful "Children and corpse playing in the streets&q= uot;.

http://www.you= tube.com/watch?v=3DsRnUAwDaU0Y


--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--20cf30549ced7cf38904b1f346d2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 17 19:39:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E568218348D; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:39:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EC56021.7030608@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:27:29 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0qRwwC.A.9XB.IMWxOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:39:52 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EST/GMT-5 on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Synth NL. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "OceanoGraphy" on Groove Unlimited Records. Details are at the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#nov Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 17 20:25:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D335183479; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:25:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_3515e381-dd24-487d-8b6b-24ae78239238_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Live Looping without "organic" instruments.. is it live looping, "MUSIC" inside (regarding a recent debate) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:25:35 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Nov 2011 20:25:36.0255 (UTC) FILETIME=[106AC8F0:01CCA567] Resent-Message-ID: <7I7hpC.A.EAC.B3WxOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:25:38 +0000 (UTC) --_3515e381-dd24-487d-8b6b-24ae78239238_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Matt the thing you did 10 years ago seems close to what guys like Jan Bang = does with samplers live (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D06-on9_Bazo&featu= re=3Drelated) As for drum machines Yes if they have a backing of Freebird and just adding= guitar and vocals.. but if you have a cool pre-recorded loop or static dru= m sequence and then you imprivise like Jon Hassel over it=2C then it can be= very=2C veru cool. Or prerecorded as in MEtheny playing Reich's Electric c= ounterpoint. So for me the distinction is down to the intended effect. Am i= entertaining in a bar playing ZZ-top and Skynard covers over a canned back= ing or am I trying to make an interesting improvisation over an=2C intended= =2C static backing.. But for Loopers Delight what keeps us going might be t= he intrest in creating an evolving peice of music be using loops ot live in= put that we repeat=2C add to and or manipulate during the perfoemence... or= somtehinh like that... perhaps :-) Date: Thu=2C 17 Nov 2011 10:30:36 -0800 Subject: Re: Live Looping without "organic" instruments.. is it live loopin= g=2C "MUSIC" inside (regarding a recent debate) From: mattdavignon@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com .... About 10 years ago my live performances used ONLY pre-recorded loops. That = is - loops of field recordings recorded onto cassette tape. The performance= would be how I mixed those together=2C using portable cassette players. Th= at was my "instrument". There was never any question for me as to whether i= t was live.=20 ... --Drum Machines / Backing Tracks / Pre-recorded Loops:=20 It'd be silly of me to say all drum machines are bad=2C but it is a turn of= f for me if a live performance includes one or more "canned" elements that = do not get manipulated in real-time. I'd rather hear someone play solo guit= ar than hear someone play solo guitar over a pre-recorded backing track. At= my venue=2C we call that "karaoke"=2C even if there's no singing involved.= =20 --=20 Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com Rigs! http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt Anders Bergdahl was all: Hmm interesting Matt=2C some thoughts.. i imagined that the issue would be = "live" since i do not play an instrument.. BUT if you listen to Jan Bang li= ve with Jon Hassel for example he is triggering and manipulating samples li= ve.=20 MAtt said: "I would call that "Live Sequencing"=2C which would be different= but similar to live looping. The difference would be that in live looping= =2C the "loop" is an actual audio signal=2C where in "live sequencing"=2C t= he actual loop is a set of trigger instructions. " BUT there are not always a set of trigger instructions=2C some times i man= ipulate the lenght of the sample as it plays=2C and the playback speed=2C p= itch=2C envelope=2C effects (i can also recordthese manipulations live and = the it would not really be "programming") And in this example i run the "vocal" track into a delay with 100% feedback= and rather long feedback.. viola LOOPING :-) or...=20 My main point is that playing a sampler is not very different from playing = an synth=2C and keeping a sequence interesting is very much like developing= the loop with inserts=2C overdubs and so forth. But with the sequencer/sam= pler it could be adjusting pitch a a sequencer step OR doing it for all ste= ps while it plays.. And no i have no need to call what I do anything=2C most times i play guita= r into the sampler where i sometimes just loop it while adding new tracks w= hich could also loop=2C and resample and loop that. OR I could slice a loop= and trigger slices at sequencer steps... now that is pretty much LOOPING= =2C or... :-) = --_3515e381-dd24-487d-8b6b-24ae78239238_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Matt the thing you did 10 years ago seems close to what guys like Jan Ba= ng does with samplers live (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D06-on9_Bazo&=3Bfeatu= re=3Drelated)

As for drum machines Yes if they= have a backing of Freebird and just adding guitar and vocals.. but if you = have a cool pre-recorded loop or static drum sequence and then you imprivis= e like Jon Hassel over it=2C then it can be very=2C veru cool. Or prerecord= ed as in MEtheny playing Reich's Electric counterpoint. So for me the = =3Bdistinction =3Bis down to the =3Bintended =3Beffect. Am i&nb= sp=3Bentertaining =3Bin a bar playing ZZ-top and Skynard covers over a = canned backing or am I trying to make an interesting improvisation over an= =2C =3Bintended=2C static backing.. =3B
But for Loopers De= light what keeps us going might be the intrest in creating an evolving peic= e of music be using loops ot live input that we repeat=2C add to and or man= ipulate during the perfoemence... or somtehinh like that... perhaps :-)



Date: Thu=2C 17 Nov 2011 10:30:36 -0800
Subject: Re: Live Looping wi= thout "organic" instruments.. is it live looping=2C "MUSIC" inside (regardi= ng a recent debate)
From: mattdavignon@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@= loopers-delight.com

....

About 10 years ago my live performan= ces used ONLY pre-recorded loops. That is - loops of field recordings recor= ded onto cassette tape. The performance would be how I mixed those together= =2C using portable cassette players. That was my "instrument". There was ne= ver any question for me as to whether it was live.

...

--Drum Machines / Backing Tracks / Pre-recorded Loops:
It'd be sill= y of me to say all drum machines are bad=2C but it is a turn off for me if = a live performance includes one or more "canned" elements that do not get m= anipulated in real-time. I'd rather hear someone play solo guitar than hear= someone play solo guitar over a pre-recorded backing track. At my venue=2C= we call that "karaoke"=2C even if there's no singing involved.


--
Matt Davignon
m= attdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusic.com
Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com=
Rigs! http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt

Anders Bergdahl <=3Banders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com>=3B was a= ll:
Hmm interesting Matt=2C some thoughts.. i = imagined that the issue would be "live" since i do not play an instrument..= BUT if you listen to Jan Bang live with Jon Hassel for example he is trigg= ering and manipulating samples live. =3B
MAtt said: "I would call that "Live Sequencing"=2C which would be different= but similar to live looping. The difference would be that in live looping= =2C the "loop" is an actual audio signal=2C where in "live sequencing"=2C t= he actual loop is a set of trigger instructions. =3B"
 =3BBUT there are no= t always a set of trigger instructions=2C some times i manipulate the lengh= t of the sample as it plays=2C and the playback speed=2C pitch=2C envelope= =2C effects (i can also recordthese manipulations live and the it would not= really be "programming")
And in this example i ru= n the "vocal" track into a delay with 100% feedback and rather long feedbac= k.. viola LOOPING :-) or... =3B

My main point = is that playing a sampler is not very different from playing an synth=2C an= d keeping a sequence interesting is very much like developing the loop with= inserts=2C overdubs and so forth. But with the sequencer/sampler it could = be adjusting pitch a a sequencer step OR doing it for all steps while it pl= ays..
And no i have no need to= call what I do anything=2C most times i play guitar into the sampler where= i sometimes just loop it while adding new tracks which could also loop=2C = and resample and loop that. OR I could slice a loop and trigger slices at s= equencer steps... now that is pretty much LOOPING=2C or... :-)




=
= --_3515e381-dd24-487d-8b6b-24ae78239238_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 17 20:45:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4ECD318348C; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:45:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 77477.96363.bm@smtp103.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: jvpfOBwVM1nPsBOjV0bwDHRS_sxzxnT423YCuXlWpoLQKt1 jxGV.A12iQUM2aQAlU5L0bYY9oGdsJrjGNzK7WpZAokrYDCXU94UtptBGPrS 3669TrVcSIr3aAD8BeCKoDwVqwRh6f6UvFFEdjA.SqoGRny5Og2j.iS5yZQw 5Ip2egE1Dqt0whpD1TanmzBHkK2QKDa9stYx5Yt1olkBXpZAXSY47F5_L28B wEV9dXH6eIEyKah2ez4_29KKx.ZEdA2Nu2SkvS4m8rcd.T8aMlIeyax8o9kv sTbYf1xutuTCw8ZYOis052Lx.dCea2Tj9Vt5cpURfVm3PO6jp02RqwWjJHMf kymXczYxConnVGWHQdacL5XPlNXWkNeGs_qc12ZbTpP0jz1QD0tx89dTDZRV etD4OXpHrElZnMON2lbdGtaMv7UNaUQbmj0Ry X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F Message-Id: From: Michael Carlson Music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20111117080604.B19FC960.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Live Looping without "organic" instruments.. is it live looping,"MUSIC" inside (regarding a recent debate) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:45:39 -0800 References: <20111117080604.B19FC960.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:45:42 +0000 (UTC) Ben, You and I seem to have similar ideas. I have a G2m, and I want to try to use it for Voice-to-MIDI in the same way, recording a vocal loop and then using that loop to control MIDI instruments. Maybe I'll then capture the audio output from the MIDI instrument, and then use the G2M again to record another loop using a different MIDI instrument. And I also have a Fairlight Voicetracker VT-5 that will produce CV that I hope to use similarly if I can get a vintage synth with CV inputs. But I really don't know how all of that works yet. Lately, I've been recording a vocal loop and sending it through my TC- Helicon VoiceLive, then playing chords on the keyboard so that the loop becomes four-voice harmony from the VoiceLive. it's still the basic loop that's triggering the sounds, so I figure it's still live looping because I sing the first loop live and then play the harmonies on the keys. Peace and adventure, Michael Carlson (3x09) On Nov 16, 2011, at 11:06 PM, Ben wrote: > Hi, > > ... and how would you call someone recording audio signal used to > trigger sounds ;-) > > Imagine the path( I never tested this but this can be possible with > the gear I own): > > Guitar > looper (audio) > sonuus G2M (audio to midi) > some > synth(midi) > PA. > The same should be possible with "vintage" synths using CV. Has anyone > already tried to loop the CV signal? I mean in a audio looper. There > might be some extra electronics needed. > > This is "live audio loop sequencing"? ;-) > > Ben. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 17 23:33:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 250EE18348B; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 23:33:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=gtLKXqseHGhDA1AQR1m+115tjEu68v5GFu4H1UZ2tDk=; b=gC5Ffof77ObwuyaPLaUvDREPyzu3JS24TsyblD7En1j/hqMHif1k0r/DBfKJhf8Gx6 jCF1CdJ3mkMNx4xTMUoLYjqrr2BBjckbPNenezDJiWRNKVSRR6AkATg/TzVPlzVRx1rV pqB905Rjsy+WKIACeJ13YbEwB81FyLvhdFE+I= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:33:17 +0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: On our own (video) From: eib halimski To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307cfc6421ec0d04b1f6a5c5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 23:33:18 +0000 (UTC) --20cf307cfc6421ec0d04b1f6a5c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 nice. On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:54 AM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > Very generic looping stuff, made w/ Loopy. > But love this guys vocal tone, thought I'd share this > > http://youtu.be/OcKpPY5Vxjs > > -- > Petri Lahtinen > > http://www.petrilahtinen.com > > --20cf307cfc6421ec0d04b1f6a5c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable nice.

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:54 AM, Pe= tri Lahtinen <kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com> wrote:
Very generic looping stuff, made w/ Loopy.
But love this guys vocal tone= , thought I'd share this

http://youtu.be/OcKpPY5Vxjs

--
Petri Lahtinen

http://www.p= etrilahtinen.com


--20cf307cfc6421ec0d04b1f6a5c5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 00:24:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C455018348C; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 00:24:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_b47b5c4a-012c-482c-8396-29802b5a72ef_" X-Originating-IP: [81.233.147.253] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: ANOTHER live looping with canned loops... was: RLive Looping without "organic" instruments.... Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 00:24:11 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,,,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2011 00:24:12.0265 (UTC) FILETIME=[656C8D90:01CCA588] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 00:24:13 +0000 (UTC) --_b47b5c4a-012c-482c-8396-29802b5a72ef_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So these debates inspired me to do another piece of music(ish) where i play= the octa track and live loop what i play by recording my trigs as i co alo= ng which creates "loops" of triggs and sample manipulation including pitch = and speed of replay which creates melodies. When these sequences are played= back there is NO difference between looping the patterns i recorded and re= cordign the audio output and lopp that.. so live sequening is =3D live loop= ing .. IF you cant stand 14:33 minutes of sounds listen to the first 7 minu= tes if you like ambient airy stuff and the last 7 minutes or soo if you wan= t more crazy semi melodic (no 12 intervals here... totally free tonality) S= ome in balances with me failing to control the drum sometimes... but it is = LIVE and on edited.. Please let me know what you think:http://soundcloud.co= m/anders-bergdahl/voice-in-the-machine I will buy anyone that listens to the whole thing and comments a beer when = we meet=2C perhaps a nice IPA or imperial stout :-)=20 Anders = --_b47b5c4a-012c-482c-8396-29802b5a72ef_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

So these debates inspired me to do another piece of music(ish) where i = play the octa track and live loop what i play by recording my trigs as i co= along which creates "loops" of triggs and sample manipulation including pi= tch and speed of replay which creates melodies. When these sequences are pl= ayed back there is NO difference between looping the patterns i recorded an= d recordign the audio output and lopp that.. so live sequening is =3D live = looping .. =3B
IF you cant stand 14:33 minutes of sounds listen to = the first 7 minutes if you like ambient airy stuff and the last 7 minutes o= r soo if you want more crazy semi melodic (no 12 intervals here... totally = free tonality) Some in balances with me failing to control the drum sometim= es... but it is LIVE and on edited.. =3B
Please let me know w= hat you think:

I will buy anyone that listens to the who= le thing and comments a beer when we meet=2C perhaps a nice IPA or imperial= stout :-) =3B

Anders
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Are there any Au= stin, TX area loopers on this list? I'll be traveling through at the end of= January and have a show opportunity where I'd like to split the bill with = someone. 
Thanks!
Darren Michaels
http:/= /darrenmichaelsbass.com 
---983831124-1293408090-1321593006=:25611-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 06:43:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AE2618348C; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:43:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "BC" To: References: ,,,, In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: ANOTHER live looping with canned loops... was: RLive Looping without "organic" instruments.... Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 01:43:47 -0500 Message-ID: <002901cca5bd$6ce990b0$46bcb210$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01CCA593.8415F9B0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQGWpu47DEixNhlDJ5x6hRLJSJ6vmQKvtMjdAmjNTd8A/RZaQgEsGX4nAWUy/eWV2PMyIA== Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 111116-1, 11/16/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:43:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01CCA593.8415F9B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I find it oddly soothing and quite interesting. It is more than random noodlings. it does have a certain congruency to it. At times it reminds me of Stymie's cake in the Little Rascals, and that is never a bad thing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i41mQr2IJ_Y&feature=related The fact is, most of you "experts" have been wrong all these years, but until now I've held my tongue. The fact is that Stymie was the world's first looping artist. Brian From: Anders Bergdahl [mailto:anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 7:24 PM To: Loopers Delight Subject: ANOTHER live looping with canned loops... was: RLive Looping without "organic" instruments.... So these debates inspired me to do another piece of music(ish) where i play the octa track and live loop what i play by recording my trigs as i co along which creates "loops" of triggs and sample manipulation including pitch and speed of replay which creates melodies. When these sequences are played back there is NO difference between looping the patterns i recorded and recordign the audio output and lopp that.. so live sequening is = live looping .. IF you cant stand 14:33 minutes of sounds listen to the first 7 minutes if you like ambient airy stuff and the last 7 minutes or soo if you want more crazy semi melodic (no 12 intervals here... totally free tonality) Some in balances with me failing to control the drum sometimes... but it is LIVE and on edited.. Please let me know what you think: http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/voice-in-the-machine I will buy anyone that listens to the whole thing and comments a beer when we meet, perhaps a nice IPA or imperial stout :-) Anders ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01CCA593.8415F9B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I find it oddly soothing and quite interesting. It is more than = random noodlings… it does have a certain congruency to = it.

 

At times it reminds me of Stymie’s cake in the Little Rascals, = and that is never a bad thing.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Di41mQr2IJ_Y&feature=3Drelated

 

The fact is, most of you “experts” have been wrong all = these years, but until now I’ve held my tongue. The fact is that = Stymie was the world’s first looping = artist.

 

Brian

 

 

From:= = Anders Bergdahl [mailto:anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com]
Sent: = Thursday, November 17, 2011 7:24 PM
To: Loopers = Delight
Subject: ANOTHER live looping with canned loops... = was: RLive Looping without "organic" = instruments....

 


So = these debates inspired me to do another piece of music(ish) where i play = the octa track and live loop what i play by recording my trigs as i co = along which creates "loops" of triggs and sample manipulation = including pitch and speed of replay which creates melodies. When these = sequences are played back there is NO difference between looping the = patterns i recorded and recordign the audio output and lopp that.. so = live sequening is =3D live looping .. 

IF you cant = stand 14:33 minutes of sounds listen to the first 7 minutes if you like = ambient airy stuff and the last 7 minutes or soo if you want more crazy = semi melodic (no 12 intervals here... totally free tonality) Some in = balances with me failing to control the drum sometimes... but it is LIVE = and on edited.. 

Please let = me know what you think:

 <= /o:p>

I will buy = anyone that listens to the whole thing and comments a beer when we meet, = perhaps a nice IPA or imperial stout = :-) 

 <= /o:p>

Anders<= /o:p>

------=_NextPart_000_002A_01CCA593.8415F9B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 11:34:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC93C18348B; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:34:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 692363549/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.109.26.196/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.109.26.196 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAKdBxk5YbRrE/2dsb2JhbAAMNq0cAQEBAwE4RgsLIRoLDwJGHAGHf7ZihwKDFQSZYoxY X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,532,1315177200"; d="scan'208";a="692363549" Message-ID: <4EC642E1.70805@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:34:57 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ANOTHER live looping with canned loops... was: RLive Looping without "organic" instruments.... References: ,,,, In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:34:57 +0000 (UTC) Anders Bergdahl wrote: > When these > sequences are played back there is NO difference between looping the > patterns i recorded and recordign the audio output and lopp that.. so > live sequening is = live looping .. That's presumably something you feel strongly about. How about you set out that argument out a bit more fully so that someone without any background knowledge of what you're trying to prove could understand it. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 11:48:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E2FE18348B; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:48:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EC6461D.6030407@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 03:48:45 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Darren Michaels CC: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Austin, TX loopers References: <1321593006.25611.YahooMailNeo@web113210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1321593006.25611.YahooMailNeo@web113210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:48:51 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Darren Michaels wrote: > Are there any Austin, TX area loopers on this list? I'll be traveling > through at the end of January and have a show opportunity where I'd > like to split the bill with someone. > Thanks! > Darren Michaels > http://darrenmichaelsbass.com > http://darrenmichaels.bandcamp.com/ Hey Darren, I don't know of Austin loopers per se, but I do know that two very talented live loopers live in San Antonio, Texas. James Sidlo has played the Y2k loopfestival a few times (and also in Zurich at the 1st European Live Looping Festival that Bernhard Wagner put on). He's a really good songwriter (check out his project Honey Barbara) and multi-instrumentalist. A guy who goes by the moniker, Bobdog also lives there the last I heard. He was with early incarnations of the Pigface (playing bass guitar, I believe), the industrial 'super group'. He plays electric Sarod and is a fascinating musician with a lot of touring experience. I've seen them both play and they are really interesting and unusual, excellent musicians. They are both, incidentally, very good improvisers. good luck, yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 12:46:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 465D318348B; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:46:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_91e7f03c-e07a-46d9-9c31-64f6d062ce47_" X-Originating-IP: [81.155.122.187] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Austin, TX loopers Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:46:11 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4EC6461D.6030407@cruzio.com> References: <1321593006.25611.YahooMailNeo@web113210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>,<4EC6461D.6030407@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2011 12:46:11.0492 (UTC) FILETIME=[0CF37E40:01CCA5F0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:46:13 +0000 (UTC) --_91e7f03c-e07a-46d9-9c31-64f6d062ce47_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can second Rick's comments on this. James toured Japan with Bernhard Wagn= er and myself a few years ago - Some of his stuff is exceptionally good imo= .Bobdog is also a very talented guy and a talented producer. Willie Oterie = and Dave Laczko are another very interesting looping team I believe they li= ve in Austin. I had a very cool jam with them in Florence=2C Italy this yea= r. Dave's tone is exceptionally finely honed and Willie is just - well - ou= t there! Peace=2C Gareth > Date: Fri=2C 18 Nov 2011 03:48:45 -0800 > From: looppool@cruzio.com > To: milkdudbass@yahoo.com > CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Austin=2C TX loopers >=20 > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM=2C Darren Michaels wrote: > > Are there any Austin=2C TX area loopers on this list? I'll be traveling= =20 > > through at the end of January and have a show opportunity where I'd=20 > > like to split the bill with someone. > > Thanks! > > Darren Michaels > > http://darrenmichaelsbass.com > > http://darrenmichaels.bandcamp.com/ > Hey Darren=2C >=20 > I don't know of Austin loopers per se=2C but I do know that two very tale= nted > live loopers live in San Antonio=2C Texas. >=20 > James Sidlo has played the Y2k loopfestival a few times (and also in=20 > Zurich at the 1st > European Live Looping Festival that Bernhard Wagner put on). >=20 > He's a really good songwriter (check out his project Honey Barbara) > and multi-instrumentalist. >=20 > A guy who goes by the moniker=2C Bobdog also lives there the last I heard= . > He was with early incarnations of the Pigface (playing bass guitar=2C I=20 > believe)=2C the > industrial 'super group'. He plays electric Sarod and is a=20 > fascinating musician > with a lot of touring experience. >=20 > I've seen them both play and they are really interesting and unusual=2C=20 > excellent musicians. >=20 > They are both=2C incidentally=2C very good improvisers. >=20 > good luck=2C >=20 > yours=2C Rick Walker >=20 = --_91e7f03c-e07a-46d9-9c31-64f6d062ce47_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I can second Rick's comments on this. James toured Japan with Bernhard Wagn= er and myself a few years ago - Some of his stuff is exceptionally good imo= .
Bobdog is also a very talented guy and a talented producer. =3B
Willie Oterie and Dave Laczko are another very interesting looping= team I believe they live in Austin. I had a very cool jam with them in Flo= rence=2C Italy this year. Dave's tone is exceptionally finely honed and Wil= lie is just - well - out there!

Peace=2C

Gareth


>=3B Date: Fri=2C 18 Nov 2011 03:4= 8:45 -0800
>=3B From: looppool@cruzio.com
>=3B To: milkdudbass@ya= hoo.com
>=3B CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B Subject= : Re: Austin=2C TX loopers
>=3B
>=3B On 7/22/64 11:59 AM=2C Darr= en Michaels wrote:
>=3B >=3B Are there any Austin=2C TX area loopers= on this list? I'll be traveling
>=3B >=3B through at the end of Ja= nuary and have a show opportunity where I'd
>=3B >=3B like to split= the bill with someone.
>=3B >=3B Thanks!
>=3B >=3B Darren Mi= chaels
>=3B >=3B http://darrenmichaelsbass.com
>=3B >=3B http= ://darrenmichaels.bandcamp.com/
>=3B Hey Darren=2C
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>=3B live loopers live in San Antonio=2C Texas.
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&= gt=3B James Sidlo has played the Y2k loopfestival a few times (and also in =
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>=3B and multi-instrumentalist.=
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>=3B A guy who goes by the moniker=2C Bobdog also lives th= ere the last I heard.
>=3B He was with early incarnations of the Pigfa= ce (playing bass guitar=2C I
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>=3B good luck=2C
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= --_91e7f03c-e07a-46d9-9c31-64f6d062ce47_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 13:13:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42E4618348B; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 13:13:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 212053.12078.bm@omp1053.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1321621987; bh=aNNFGdcA9MtKcpZOc7NWb6bI1cCmJLw37BCppqLYn40=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5mip4tERRgXFnVTyeWQkgZlYfQqKrv/V3mLedOC6aVnu0tjIvj6zy7tEcsZGQi+ipHlsAoG4pEuOvYIsjzJw2KyT4KpnOCpELM50o7UwGOqraHBWkdmg9Bl9pdAWMDWzPSlWOHHEC1eGh15TkmyS0lyFCT8CmCUt1DlMe4t3I2I= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xscmFZNGKAvxaoCvOeEY+AM90q8FCA2yvOSZLWhhSDF6HIH8W+oMKP8XIaCcQtVIP6A2zPGTSHBQphVMAT5gqvmi1okXkshnc83KBLftYswo/WAKHn5NJQjAv+/+9U4UgPQp7jx/2gCkHXN1ngJg5aCvxIoO+WUFLyHNIddhBhk=; X-YMail-OSG: _N.MwFMVM1kpKC8BTb2OIcOHv264ubvoDXv.S7B4ELaMRwG SDQuLAQP9wAkQdjld.Q2DLwBIXAjpWkLTm3Mh4bTj84XZb2fHNMKJoyINs4c JjY0HuHHKcZjGPIL4TjHIw0h5yaalbl55omQaMT9Q6aNlgDmiSPHdCsfCEcd mkZ57E9tL7ha9PwwszDBYPHsCcDqTHjRYb84i9X5onCVnXuqwLv6HinA73iq VUehgtsSEByqQITe.w0uxh3MQ9Cn8Cvw0y8JzsqjMefQ27813gUW_6hQqUTi fJZBwX0HblXcQ7hOPs5sNBCo3gyT30QxNe0Av2NY1hz0JCsvD3ynBai5qBXR LpqWxyfm2.BrEdhp89EUFVlYHDzAq6l31jtC3DMlmKxacuFAtfE53lP61AT3 ko.bJYoYJfGDlWVQY0upaaISgRuDEp1hrS0ZfFqTNaFF61r8nkoY6f82J5k9 4jN.5EFzrFryULUE7x6oNpTrBOAaC3HG791alqwpOc6iLyoWS.Ala2TR2UQ7 jkaHnEN7VKnb0pf5m9B17UTHGCKMVpUh3D.cZZmSYz35BqFRsZ1O5GSF13kA Uj09blp46kFbCyZN0Cw02Y7Vlv4xJaAw.zBNMPAIu2ttcrovmdu.2tGrDFbI - X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 References: <1321593006.25611.YahooMailNeo@web113210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>,<4EC6461D.6030407@cruzio.com> Message-ID: <1321621987.43575.YahooMailNeo@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 05:13:07 -0800 (PST) From: Darren Michaels Reply-To: Darren Michaels Subject: Re: Austin, TX loopers To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-983831124-289594334-1321621987=:43575" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 13:13:09 +0000 (UTC) ---983831124-289594334-1321621987=:43575 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks very much for the info!=0A=0Adarren=0A=0A=0A________________________= ________=0A From: Gareth Whittock =0ATo: loopers-= delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Friday, November 18, 2011 7:46 AM=0ASu= bject: RE: Austin, TX loopers=0A =0A=0A =0AI can second Rick's comments on = this. James toured Japan with Bernhard Wagner and myself a few years ago - = Some of his stuff is exceptionally good imo.=0ABobdog is also a very talent= ed guy and a talented producer.=A0=0AWillie Oterie and Dave Laczko are anot= her very interesting looping team I believe they live in Austin. I had a ve= ry cool jam with them in Florence, Italy this year. Dave's tone is exceptio= nally finely honed and Willie is just - well - out there!=0A=0APeace,=0A=0A= Gareth=0A=0A=0A=0A> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 03:48:45 -0800=0A> From: looppoo= l@cruzio.com=0A> To: milkdudbass@yahoo.com=0A> CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-= delight.com=0A> Subject: Re: Austin, TX loopers=0A> =0A> On 7/22/64 11:59 A= M, Darren Michaels wrote:=0A> > Are there any Austin, TX area loopers on th= is list? I'll be traveling =0A> > through at the end of January and have a = show opportunity where I'd =0A> > like to split the bill with someone.=0A> = > Thanks!=0A> > Darren Michaels=0A> > http://darrenmichaelsbass.com=0A> > h= ttp://darrenmichaels.bandcamp.com/=0A> Hey Darren,=0A> =0A> I don't know of= Austin loopers per se, but I do know that two very talented=0A> live loope= rs live in San Antonio, Texas.=0A> =0A> James Sidlo has played the Y2k loop= festival a few times (and also in =0A> Zurich at the 1st=0A> European Live = Looping Festival that Bernhard Wagner put on).=0A> =0A> He's a really good = songwriter (check out his project Honey Barbara)=0A> and multi-instrumental= ist.=0A> =0A> A guy who goes by the moniker, Bobdog also lives there the la= st I heard.=0A> He was with early incarnations of the Pigface (playing bass= guitar, I =0A> believe), the=0A> industrial 'super group'. He plays ele= ctric Sarod and is a =0A> fascinating musician=0A> with a lot of touring ex= perience.=0A> =0A> I've seen them both play and they are really interesting= and unusual, =0A> excellent musicians.=0A> =0A> They are both, incidentall= y, very good improvisers.=0A> =0A> good luck,=0A> =0A> yours, Rick Walker= =0A> =0AFlorence, Italy this year. Dave's tone is exceptionally finely hone= d and Willie is just - well - out there!=0A=0APeace,=0A=0AGareth=0A=0A=0A= =0A> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 03:48:45 -0800=0A> From: looppool@cruzio.com=0A= > To: milkdudbass@yahoo.com=0A> CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A>= Subject: Re: Austin, TX loopers=0A> =0A> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Darren Micha= els wrote:=0A> > Are there any Austin, TX area loopers on this list? I'll b= e traveling =0A> > through at the end of January and have a show opportunit= y where I'd =0A> > like to split the bill with someone.=0A> > Thanks!=0A> >= Darren Michaels=0A> > http://darrenmichaelsbass.com=0A> > http://darrenmic= haels.bandcamp.com/=0A> Hey Darren,=0A> =0A> I don't know of Austin loopers= per se, but I do know that two very talented=0A> live loopers live in San = Antonio, Texas.=0A> =0A> James Sidlo has played the Y2k loopfestival a few = times (and also in =0A> Zurich at the 1st=0A> European Live Looping Festiva= l that Bernhard Wagner put on).=0A> =0A> He's a really good songwriter (che= ck out his project Honey Barbara)=0A> and multi-instrumentalist.=0A> =0A> A= guy who goes by the moniker, Bobdog also lives there the last I heard.=0A>= He was with early incarnations of the Pigface (playing bass guitar, I =0A>= believe), the=0A> industrial 'super group'. He plays electric Sarod and= is a =0A> fascinating musician=0A> with a lot of touring experience.=0A> = =0A> I've seen them both play and they are really interesting and unusual, = =0A> excellent musicians.=0A> =0A> They are both, incidentally, very good i= mprovisers.=0A> =0A> good luck,=0A> =0A> yours, Rick Walker=0A> =0A=0ATX = loopers=0A> =0A> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Darren Michaels wrote:=0A> > Are ther= e any Austin, TX area loopers on this list? I'll be traveling =0A> > throug= h at the end of January and have a show opportunity where I'd =0A> > like t= o split the bill with someone.=0A> > Thanks!=0A> > Darren Michaels=0A> > ht= tp://darrenmichaelsbass.com=0A> > http://darrenmichaels.bandcamp.com/=0A> H= ey Darren,=0A> =0A> I don't know of Austin loopers per se, but I do know th= at two very talented=0A> live loopers live in San Antonio, Texas.=0A> =0A> = James Sidlo has played the Y2k loopfestival a few times (and also in =0A> Z= urich at the 1st=0A> European Live Looping Festival that Bernhard Wagner pu= t on).=0A> =0A> He's a really good songwriter (check out his project Honey = Barbara)=0A> and multi-instrumentalist.=0A> =0A> A guy who goes by the moni= ker, Bobdog also lives there the last I heard.=0A> He was with early incarn= ations of the Pigface (playing bass guitar, I =0A> believe), the=0A> indust= rial 'super group'. He plays electric Sarod and is a =0A> fascinating mu= sician=0A> with a lot of touring experience.=0A> =0A> I've seen them both p= lay and they are really interesting and unusual, =0A> excellent musicians.= =0A> =0A> They are both, incidentally, very good improvisers.=0A> =0A> good= luck,=0A> =0A> yours, Rick Walker=0A> ---983831124-289594334-1321621987=:43575 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks ver= y much for the info!

dar= ren

From: Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk>
<= b>To: loopers-delight@loopers= -delight.com
Sent: Fr= iday, November 18, 2011 7:46 AM
S= ubject: RE: Austin, TX loopers
=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0AI can second Rick's comments on this. James toured Japan with B= ernhard Wagner and myself a few years ago - Some of his stuff is exceptiona= lly good imo.
Bobdog is also a very talented guy and a talented produce= r. 
Willie Oterie and Dave Laczko are another very interesti= ng looping team I believe they live in Austin. I had a very cool jam with t= hem in Florence, Italy this year. Dave's tone is exceptionally finely honed= and Willie is just - well - out there!

Peace,

Gareth


> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 03= :48:45 -0800
> From: looppool@cruzio.com
> To: milkdudbass@yaho= o.com
> CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: = Austin, TX loopers
>
> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Darren Michaels wr= ote:
> > Are there any Austin, TX area loopers on this list? I'll = be traveling
> > through at the end of January and have a show opportunity where I'd
> > like to split the bill with someone.> > Thanks!
> > Darren Michaels
> > http://darren= michaelsbass.com
> > http://darrenmichaels.bandcamp.com/
> H= ey Darren,
>
> I don't know of Austin loopers per se, but I do= know that two very talented
> live loopers live in San Antonio, Texa= s.
>
> James Sidlo has played the Y2k loopfestival a few times= (and also in
> Zurich at the 1st
> European Live Looping Fest= ival that Bernhard Wagner put on).
>
> He's a really good song= writer (check out his project Honey Barbara)
> and multi-instrumental= ist.
>
> A guy who goes by the moniker, Bobdog also lives ther= e the last I heard.
> He was with early incarnations of the Pigface (= playing bass guitar, I
> believe), the
> industrial 'super gro= up'. He plays electric Sarod and is a
> fascinating musician
> with a lot of touring experience.
>
> I've s= een them both play and they are really interesting and unusual,
> ex= cellent musicians.
>
> They are both, incidentally, very good = improvisers.
>
> good luck,
>
> yours, Rick Wal= ker
>
=09=09 =09 =09=09
=0A
Flor= ence, Italy this year. Dave's tone is exceptionally finely honed and Willie= is just - well - out there!

Peace,

=
Gareth


> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 03:48:45 -080= 0
> From: looppool@cruzio.com
> To: milkdudbass@yahoo.com
&g= t; CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Austin, TX = loopers
>
> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Darren Michaels wrote:
>= ; > Are there any Austin, TX area loopers on this list? I'll be travelin= g
> > through at the end of January and have a show opportunity w= here I'd
> > like to split the bill with someone.
> > Th= anks!
> > Darren Michaels
> > http://darrenmichaelsbass.c= om
> > http://darrenmichaels.bandcamp.com/
> Hey Darren,
= >
> I don't know of Austin loopers per se, but I do know that two= very talented
> live loopers live in San Antonio, Texas.
>
> James Sidlo has played the Y2k loopfestival a few = times (and also in
> Zurich at the 1st
> European Live Looping= Festival that Bernhard Wagner put on).
>
> He's a really good= songwriter (check out his project Honey Barbara)
> and multi-instrum= entalist.
>
> A guy who goes by the moniker, Bobdog also lives= there the last I heard.
> He was with early incarnations of the Pigf= ace (playing bass guitar, I
> believe), the
> industrial 'supe= r group'. He plays electric Sarod and is a
> fascinating musician=
> with a lot of touring experience.
>
> I've seen them = both play and they are really interesting and unusual,
> excellent m= usicians.
>
> They are both, incidentally, very good improvise= rs.
>
> good luck,
>
> yours, Rick Walker
&g= t;
=09=09 =09 =09=09
=0ATX loopers
> <= br>> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Darren Michaels wrote:
> > Are there = any Austin, TX area loopers on this list? I'll be traveling
> > t= hrough at the end of January and have a show opportunity where I'd
>= > like to split the bill with someone.
> > Thanks!
> >= ; Darren Michaels
> > http://darrenmichaelsbass.com
> > h= ttp://darrenmichaels.bandcamp.com/
> Hey Darren,
>
> I d= on't know of Austin loopers per se, but I do know that two very talented> live loopers live in San Antonio, Texas.
>
> James Sidlo= has played the Y2k loopfestival a few times (and also in
> Zurich a= t the 1st
> European Live Looping Festival that Bernhard Wagner put o= n).
>
> He's a really good songwriter (check out his project H= oney Barbara)
> and multi-instrumentalist.
>
> A guy who= goes by the moniker, Bobdog also lives there the last I heard.
> He was with early incarnations of the Pigface (p= laying bass guitar, I
> believe), the
> industrial 'super grou= p'. He plays electric Sarod and is a
> fascinating musician
&g= t; with a lot of touring experience.
>
> I've seen them both p= lay and they are really interesting and unusual,
> excellent musicia= ns.
>
> They are both, incidentally, very good improvisers.>
> good luck,
>
> yours, Rick Walker
>

=09=09 =09 =09=09 =0A
---983831124-289594334-1321621987=:43575-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 15:50:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 100A9183479; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:50:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_b64c671b-efe5-424f-9381-dc773f1c233c_" X-Originating-IP: [83.145.33.34] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: ANOTHER live looping with canned loops... was: RLive Looping without "organic" instruments.... Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:50:54 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4EC642E1.70805@tiscali.co.uk> References: ,,,, ,<4EC642E1.70805@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2011 15:50:54.0510 (UTC) FILETIME=[DAF1D4E0:01CCA609] Resent-Message-ID: <4QrQF.A.--H.f7nxOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:50:56 +0000 (UTC) --_b64c671b-efe5-424f-9381-dc773f1c233c_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Anders Bergdahl wrote: >=20 > > When these=20 > > sequences are played back there is NO difference between looping the=20 > > patterns i recorded and recordign the audio output and lopp that.. so=20 > > live sequening is =3D live looping ..=20 >=20 > That's presumably something you feel strongly about. >=20 > How about you set out that argument out a bit more fully > so that someone without any background knowledge of > what you're trying to prove could understand it. >=20 >=20 > andy >=20 Well I don't feel strongly about it all all=2C it just strikes me that the = type of result and the creative process is very much the same with these tw= o types of hardware/software. It is=2C to me=2C really no difference if the= loop captures audio or audio manipulations. When i record my audio manipul= ations and play it back it will sound 100% the same as if i would have re s= ampled the audio output. The main difference is that i can tweak my sequenc= e to achieve development over time whereas i would need to manipulate the r= ecorded loop if i re sample. So the type of manipulation might differ and s= et limitations that might get the creative process in one or another direct= ion. What a sampler like Octatack can do is to live record a sample and in= stantly play it back=2C live manipulate the playback of the sample while it= loops and live re sample the manipulated audio. It is sort of an extension= to what LP1 or EDP can do=2C but there are=2C as I fell similar except tha= t if you manipulate the loop the original audio is lost.The other thing is = that a sampler is an instrument as much as A digital synth is an instrument= and loopers are instruments.. so manipulating samples is playing is playin= g and instrument and you can be more or less creative in the use of the ins= trument. Since many hear are very creative persons i would be fun to hear h= ow they would use new instrument with=2C or without=2C there favorite loopi= ng instrument.Playing an instrument where you don't think in scales=2C mode= s and chords could=2C or should=2C produce some interesting newish type of = music in the hand of creative people. I feel that samplers have more to off= er that producing rhythmic dance music=2C and 99% of the music that is prod= uced with samplers and sequencers is frankly quite predictable and boring b= ut there are exceptions=2C Jan bang is one that i really like.... Take care=2C Anders = --_b64c671b-efe5-424f-9381-dc773f1c233c_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>=3B Anders B= ergdahl wrote:
>=3B
>=3B >=3B When these
>=3B >=3B sequences are played b= ack there is NO difference between looping the
>=3B >=3B patterns i recorde= d and recordign the audio output and lopp that.. so
>=3B >=3B live sequeni= ng is =3D live looping ..
>=3B
>=3B That's presumably something you feel stron= gly about.
>=3B
>=3B How about you set out that argument out a bit more fully
>=3B= so that someone without any background knowledge of
>=3B what you're trying = to prove could understand it.
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B andy
>=3B
Well I =3Bdon't =3Bfeel st= rongly about it all all=2C it just strikes me that the type of result and t= he creative process is very much the same with these two types of hardware/= software. It is=2C to me=2C really no difference if the loop captures audio= or audio manipulations. When i record my audio =3Bmanipulations = =3Band play it back it will sound 100% the same as if i would have re = =3Bsampled =3Bthe audio output. The main =3Bdifference =3Bis th= at i can tweak my sequence to =3Bachieve =3Bdevelopment over time&n= bsp=3Bwhereas =3Bi would need to manipulate the recorded loop if i re s= ample. So the type of manipulation might differ and set limitations that mi= ght get the creative process in one or another direction. =3B
What a = sampler like Octatack can do is to live record a sample  =3Band instant= ly play it back=2C live manipulate the playback of the sample while it loop= s and live re sample the =3Bmanipulated =3Baudio. It is sort of an&= nbsp=3Bextension =3Bto what LP1 or EDP can do=2C but there are=2C as I = fell similar =3Bexcept =3Bthat if you manipulate the loop the = =3Boriginal =3Baudio is lost.
The other thing is that a sampler is an= instrument as much as A digital synth is an instrument and loopers are ins= truments.. so manipulating samples is playing is playing and instrument and= you can be more or less creative in the use of the instrument. Since many = hear are very creative persons i would be fun to hear how they would use ne= w instrument with=2C or without=2C there =3Bfavorite =3Blooping ins= trument.
Playing an instrument where you don't think in scales=2C modes a= nd chords could=2C or should=2C produce some interesting newish type of mus= ic in the hand of creative people. I feel that samplers have more to offer = that producing =3Brhythmic =3Bdance music=2C and 99% of the music t= hat is produced with samplers and sequencers is frankly quite =3Bpredic= table =3Band boring but there are exceptions=2C Jan bang is one that i = really like....

Take care=2C

Anders
=
= --_b64c671b-efe5-424f-9381-dc773f1c233c_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 03:39:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F1BB183461; Sat, 19 Nov 2011 03:39:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3318 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sat, 19 Nov 2011 03:39:24 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <60938DD8-8F1F-4851-BEFE-7E0D7E12096C@ubergadget.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--233943003 From: Revfever Subject: The Fate of Music in the Age of No Effort | Fingertips Music Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 18:44:00 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 03:39:24 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--233943003 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Interesting article. Some I agree with and some either I didn't, or only partially so. It brought up a number of considerable points. I also really liked the various comments on the article both in agreement, and even better, those that had a different take on the subject, and / or some challenges to the article. Over all, a worthy reading / thinking experience, IMO. Enjoy... Cheerios, Rev. Fever Portland,OR http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever http://www.fingertipsmusic.com/?p=4198 --Apple-Mail-1--233943003 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
Interesting article. Some I agree with and some either I didn't, or = only partially so. It brought up a number of considerable = points.
I also really liked the various comments on = the article both in agreement, and even = better, those that had a different take on the = subject, 
and / or some challenges to the article. = Over all, a worthy reading / thinking experience, IMO. =  Enjoy...

Rev. Fever
= --Apple-Mail-1--233943003-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 04:37:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3CA5183461; Sat, 19 Nov 2011 04:37:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=3kn4snR/2TdwuYXvh+wm0CPnSGzQFWY7ukd303aPFv0= c=1 sm=1 a=Zq2FpVYgtBoA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=6wrDOa2Tlcs1iS1ByyX37A==:17 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=8ZAQ8qXpD71VnBFXPBIA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=owql4HCeCgimJzat0EUA:9 a=sGTboiMajrjGTIUFPg0A:7 a=6wrDOa2Tlcs1iS1ByyX37A==:117 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 20:35:19 -0800 Subject: Re: 11 11 11 From: Richard Atkinson To: LOOPERS DELIGHT LIST Message-ID: Thread-Topic: 11 11 11 Thread-Index: AcymdKRP4rGQOBJnEeGUBAAWywDfRw== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3404493320_100247274" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 04:37:11 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3404493320_100247274 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable As I mentioned previously, on 11.11.11, I was to be in Salt Lake City, at a speed skating camp at the Olympic Oval. So, as we were gearing up for our training session that day, I asked the assistant coach, US National Team member, Josh Wood, if he would do a coupl= e of =8Cloops=B9 with me for my nerdy music compatriots. He kindly obliged. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DmG3JqaaDb60&feature=3Dfeedu Seeya, Rich --B_3404493320_100247274 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: 11 11 11 As I = mentioned previously, on 11.11.11, I was to be in Salt Lake City, at a speed= skating camp at the Olympic Oval.

So, as we were gearing up for our training session that day, I asked the as= sistant coach, US National Team member, Josh Wood, if he would do a couple o= f ‘loops’ with me for my nerdy music compatriots.  He kindl= y obliged.

http://w= ww.youtube.com/watch?v=3DmG3JqaaDb60&feature=3Dfeedu

Seeya,
Rich --B_3404493320_100247274-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 04:47:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F6EE183464; Sat, 19 Nov 2011 04:47:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EC734E5.5060303@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 23:47:33 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #763 for November 17, 2011. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 04:47:47 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/111117.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #763 November 17, 2011. WDIY Playlist: http://wdiy.org/shows/playList.jsp?id=7900 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Synth.nl. The Featured CD at Midnight was "OceanoGraphy" on Groove Unlimited. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#nov PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Polaris and Collision Collision (Ricochet Dream) Krzysztof Horn Polaris and Mal du Siecle Collision (Ricochet Dream) Krzysztof Horn Twyndyllyngs Stretched to Event Horizon (electro-music Infinity media) Twyndyllyngs The Other Side Event Horizon (electro-music media) Dave Luxton To the Titanic Portal (Wayfarer) Dave Luxton Cosmic Prelude Dreams Ghosts and Parallel Universes (Watfarer) John Sobocan Summer 01 (Mune Music) Synth.nl Antartico OceanoGraphy (Groove) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Synth.nl Balaenoptera OceanoGraphy (Groove) Synth.nl Atlantico OceanoGraphy (Groove) Synth.nl Carcharodon OceanoGraphy (Groove) Synth.nl Megaptera OceanoGraphy (Groove) Synth.nl Oceanography OceanoGraphy (Groove) Synth.nl Tursiops OceanoGraphy (Groove) Synth.nl Indico OceanoGraphy (Groove) Synth.nl Chelonia OceanoGraphy (Groove) Synth.nl Artico OceanoGraphy (Groove) Synth.nl Orcinus * OceanoGraphy (Groove) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Synth.nl. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Apollo" on Groove Unlimited. Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST/GMT-5 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org/listen on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 04:51:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B9CC183464; Sat, 19 Nov 2011 04:51:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=QGU6k/AqD8ZzVp0Rfg14QfHARLoMMWn/tT0rF0g5PG0=; b=twbywaKruRKSg6TBBHUWQBqm4x/CpVc8nSk91ssSi4pBZXqO1QV0okIN9efXVWl/nj 0W+RSTjkBLlpzloSC9IdpY8u1sKyu5Ga2To7s7U14hUYko2TVCCWKRqFw0lxEH0vf3wF fvB5vjLKqSWSK4fGMS21vvC6nMLiK8AdAVBLU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 20:51:35 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 11 11 11 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 04:51:36 +0000 (UTC) Very cool Rich! -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com myspace [dot] com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 09:18:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05B9A183461; Sat, 19 Nov 2011 09:18:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EC7745E.8040103@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 04:18:22 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Thought Radio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 09:18:26 +0000 (UTC) THOUGHT RADIO: http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio ======================================================================= My next stint on Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show, will be Saturday, November 19 at 6 am EST/GMT-5. I will continue the special on Sequences Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs in Phase One. I host the show every other week. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 10:35:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2291818345E; Sat, 19 Nov 2011 10:35:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4EC78661.3060209@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 02:35:13 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gareth Whittock CC: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: Austin, TX loopers References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 10:35:20 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > Willie Oterie and Dave Laczko are another very interesting looping > team I believe they live in Austin. I had a very cool jam with them in > Florence, Italy this year. Dave's tone is exceptionally finely honed > and Willie is just - well - out there! For some reason, I assumed Willie Oterie was from Santa Cruz............I don't even know where that assumption came from..................my bad (there are still several really good live loopers from my own home town whose music I'm not that familiar with..........this world is expanding rapidly! I also don't know Dave Laczko's music but I'd love to get them to both come and play the festival in California if at all possible. Thanks for the recommendations, Gareth. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 20 19:57:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2FB7183462; Sun, 20 Nov 2011 19:57:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Mark Hamburg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Ambient noise fun... Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 11:57:27 -0800 Message-Id: To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com (posting)" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 19:57:30 +0000 (UTC) Today's bit of fun... HandSonic HPD-15 -> Line6 M13 With a bit of creative patching on the M13 so that the signal actually = goes into the FX return, runs through effects 3 & 4, to the output, back = to the input, then goes to the looper which is set to pre-FX, then = through effects 1 & 2, then out via the FX send to the monitors. This gives me two effects pre-loop and two post-loop. I'm probably driving the household up the wall now by just letting the = loop play over and over again, but this has proven to be a good way to = create ambient, semi-percussive loops. The voice box filter is = particularly fun together with the delay models and particle verb. Highly recommended. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 20 20:41:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E25A6183463; Sun, 20 Nov 2011 20:41:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qpK5gl4s38gG3wSuKEj7MkpNctPa/P1YlBF9XQkwFN4=; b=UtjZLXoJt9D47GYW6rJu47LGeFl8zy/NhBOpa+AgQBiBhHCfDWvyveBrpyjGliS8ro WwCIg6VM34ESRx7P5CXD04zycLooWrRrgRFcZZBwv32jw2pWc6HQGz+KE3lnQbfs2YUR Efve8ZGr2XGQiE1bj5clKLBdGO/dXxFrOpB/U= Message-ID: <4EC96541.2020100@googlemail.com> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 21:38:25 +0100 From: Rainer Straschill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111103 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ambient noise fun... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 20:41:21 +0000 (UTC) Am 20.11.2011 20:57, schrieb Mark Hamburg: > Today's bit of fun... > > HandSonic HPD-15 -> Line6 M13 > > Highly recommended. > Post recordings/videos online, or it didn't happen ;)... Rainer ps: yes, I'm really interested to hear it -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 20 21:55:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3793183461; Sun, 20 Nov 2011 21:55:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=JOm5Qr2b c=1 sm=0 a=41H9hbGm5/Mm6JsACR4voQ==:17 a=5UBfXvP3Od8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Gte9zICK7uOJDULeeyAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=41H9hbGm5/Mm6JsACR4voQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 66.68.147.198 From: Victor Eijkhout Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Austin, TX loopers Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 15:55:22 -0600 Message-Id: <2C803EF1-A13A-43A3-B9A7-DEF7D0F97E7A@eijkhout.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 21:55:24 +0000 (UTC) I live in Austin and I do some looping. However, I'm not sure that I'd = be up to spliiting a gig with you. But do let me know if anything = happens. Victor. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 20 22:03:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5716318345D; Sun, 20 Nov 2011 22:03:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=CKBBFOpPYfBSFfEY1Rl9efxuAv/fdt7oFsWUUq3BrLQ= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Jp2CK1l8H9mZxhYZGqsswA==:17 a=lgR05C8sMCL1o2leMHYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Jp2CK1l8H9mZxhYZGqsswA==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Ambient noise fun... From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 14:03:45 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 22:03:47 +0000 (UTC) Brilliant Mark! On Nov 20, 2011, at 11:57 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > With a bit of creative patching on the M13 so that the signal actually = goes into the FX return, runs through effects 3 & 4, to the output, back = to the input, then goes to the looper which is set to pre-FX, then = through effects 1 & 2, then out via the FX send to the monitors. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 21 02:39:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0977718345F; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 02:39:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Ambient noise fun... From: Mark Hamburg In-Reply-To: <4EC96541.2020100@googlemail.com> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 18:39:08 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <4EC96541.2020100@googlemail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 02:39:11 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 20, 2011, at 12:38 PM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > Am 20.11.2011 20:57, schrieb Mark Hamburg: >> Today's bit of fun... >> >> HandSonic HPD-15 -> Line6 M13 >> >> Highly recommended. >> > Post recordings/videos online, or it didn't happen ;)... > > Rainer > > ps: yes, I'm really interested to hear it A 30 second snippet... http://grubmah.com/music/2011_11_20_percussion_loop.mp3 Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 21 03:27:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94992183460; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 03:27:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Ambient noise fun... From: Mark Hamburg In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 19:27:45 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8CBF0BE1-0F35-4555-B187-F506636CC58B@grubmah.com> References: <4EC96541.2020100@googlemail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 03:27:48 +0000 (UTC) The configuration also receives a strong endorsement from the = six-year-old set... Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 21 07:19:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCFA7183462; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 07:19:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s1024; t=1321859947; bh=V0w3Rrmu1muTdUW2ReIcD276lUvCrjYXx36cLkMZKA0=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Date:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer; b=gfSMn5t0dC7ijo//RnqGLX/9NoEoAWFRPYGS4xNqIkEsEXsN9rXVjunVuuNZcdu0jkA1IOz7uxuM74cuglICVioQ+/r8TW/uIyIkpoJmG3PAml4CkzYPMLxcb1RTSA2yF/4KvdfFY1Pd/l0WVPEzrdKtjqExGTOMj0GLvAfRP3w= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 631939.82730.bm@smtp124.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: bxqih2sVM1liX6bm_lO0LEw3qY8HgXA6jqYG4S2HWlDz5h5 Px7pgyvAPxoFjxuSJo3cNxLA4tNDnmZ2K0rzwdMrUrJ7.uMqelu_q0GvjqvQ iRRZhDX2FkEbcoLPza.J4F4JOdmHH8Uv8l8f0MkQS2xFvSw1c4Kz9W3fA9vg wA12tHOwM6XrhPhYb7mhRRoEWcfFWaMgACJusseNEEKZ6l8.3QM4cLoEtXu_ wbxZFHI2qQNaEKZ4_DZdU6a7PyD_SwzJrMIuX4KPxzyk8l0FweUkS7o3zBgO gbNE69GjYiQNfRsiF1ehuh2SW4Pui11T_GOS9DSdbmBlY1_wUMTvpJI03Ku. OmlGLVVL8I_Xuq1__YrjTNjEHE6ibeRdgbSZP9ptneaOcqjbNXA-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 75CdczOswBChen.W3AbLhaW8TlC96TVo5w-- From: Ben To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 08:19:07 +0100 Subject: Re: Ambient noise fun... In-Reply-To: References: <4EC96541.2020100@googlemail.com> Message-Id: <20111121081907.FF3AA9D8.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: nPOPuk Ver 2.16 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 07:19:09 +0000 (UTC) nice, Mark. I'm thinking of getting the HD500. As I've got a variax I think this on is more suited to my need with its dedicated input. I'll then try this with my wavedrum. Ben -------------------------------------------------- Mark Hamburg wrote: (21/11/2011 03:39) > On Nov 20, 2011, at 12:38 PM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > > > Am 20.11.2011 20:57, schrieb Mark Hamburg: > >> Today's bit of fun... > >> > >> HandSonic HPD-15 -> Line6 M13 > >> > >> Highly recommended. > >> > > Post recordings/videos online, or it didn't happen ;)... > > > > Rainer > > > > ps: yes, I'm really interested to hear it > > A 30 second snippet... > > http://grubmah.com/music/2011_11_20_percussion_loop.mp3 > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 21 07:22:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6099183462; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 07:22:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=rk+EiVfsO6zLpzMno8qKPQin+nW+VfoGJ/2kzC+5QW4=; b=kFH21FsVALvwynwnjg4PEhPSxRTaZheZoPJqD/5KnRlVcqIBfukJVUqnkk12joP5ln 7/NJuSK7qOBfSlmbEuBA3hFd3uutT4PUGynugtybWvm5MioprYYd7xJW3OAySeizENZs 5taLvRN3B7Ct0agMKobwOjn531R2U/8LYHz8I= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20111121081907.FF3AA9D8.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> References: <4EC96541.2020100@googlemail.com> <20111121081907.FF3AA9D8.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 02:22:45 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ambient noise fun... From: william middlemiss To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf301d417496e87004b2398d80 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 07:22:46 +0000 (UTC) --20cf301d417496e87004b2398d80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Interesting! the lag before the end of the loop in nice. It give an 'ebb and flow' quality and some movement with it. --20cf301d417496e87004b2398d80 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Interesting! the lag before the end of the loop in nice. It give an 'ebb and flow' quality and some movement with it.


--20cf301d417496e87004b2398d80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 21 18:01:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7A62183460; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 18:01:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Ambient noise fun... From: Mark Hamburg In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 10:01:46 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7BE2C976-A54A-4ABE-A44F-0E8CE44006DF@grubmah.com> References: <4EC96541.2020100@googlemail.com> <20111121081907.FF3AA9D8.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <_rApyC.A.pVE.NIpyOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 18:01:49 +0000 (UTC) The downside is that this sort of thing makes it easy to build up a big = static loop with lots of overdubs but once you are there, you can find = yourself in a bit of a corner. Or maybe it's just that I'm not a = drummer/percussionist... Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 21 18:58:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69074183462; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 18:58:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4ECA9F64.6000406@soundscapes.us> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 13:58:44 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Thought Radio Playlist for November 19, 2011. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 18:58:49 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio/playlists/2011/111119.html The Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show has alternating hosts. When I am at the helm, the show is called Thought Radio and you can expect to hear electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am EDT/GMT-4 on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. http://soundscapes.us/afterglow/index.html Show #212 December 19, 2011. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Steve Roach disk 2 * Journey of One (Projekt) VA [Mystic Shade] Promise Sequences No. 16 VA [Glasshouse] Back 2 This Sequences No. 16 Dave Luxton Ghost of a Small Dreams Ghosts and Parallel Child Universe (Wayfarer) Synth.nl Exosphere AtmoSphere (Groove) Synth.nl Lift AeroDynamics (Groove) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Paul Avgerinos Fertile Soil of Bliss (Round Sky) Peace Kathy Raimey A Call To Hearts Still Moving (Spiral Soundcage) David Nevue Under the Setting A Delicate Joy (Midnight Rain) Sun Robert Linton Alongside the Through the Autumn Light Silhouettes (October Moon) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== The Winter Tree Guardian Angel The Winter Tree (Progrock) The Winter Tree Fading Shadows The Winter Tree (Progrock) The Winter Tree In May The Winter Tree (Progrock) Glass Hammer To Someone Cor Cordium (Arion) Agents of Mercy Black Sunday The BlackForest (Arion) Ozric Tentacles Flying Machines Paper Monkeys (Madfish) * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDRs that come with each issue of Sequences electronic music magazine. Bill Fox ======================================================================== Host of Thought Radio, the Saturday edition of The AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST/GMT-5. Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music. Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Website - http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/stream.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 21 19:41:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F5DE183462; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:41:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=txyfNr0VQ8uZya4JeB43qJbcZDvcgDHm5G+t0LKAJbk=; b=EwX7yOL+YmJ4IXc+/TxX96ICHKZIHIBmcO7uwVwHu7yY1jeXuJwQCCQ5l2JnradrTJ W5Sl50wh3ek5CAG7pa8v8gRMBKGJQEz9PXbU7JH+8ztV3pqW+gCzFekNeVggry1oW0Fl 4OIslIqx9ZbTI7NWnTA9/T1QuMSP6gd9HIJSM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 11:41:12 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: OT: Gear for sale From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:41:15 +0000 (UTC) So, I made mention of some gear of friend of mine was selling a ways back and now it appears that I have inherited said gear as he moves to New Zealand. And I don't have room for all this gear. To cut to the chase, the following gear is up for sale, all in good working order with prices negotiable. M-Audio Delta 1010 soundcard and rack http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Delta1010?utm_source=3DGoogle&utm_me= dium=3DPPC&utm_campaign=3Dnone&gclid=3DCInWvuvjw6wCFQVlhwodg08QrQ M-Audio Delta 66 soundcard and breakout http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Delta66 MOTU Timepiece XT (midi merge rack) http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MIDIExpXTUSB/ Yamaha TG-77 FM synth http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/sy77.php Kurzweil K2000RS sampler with SCSI CD player and SCSI Zip drive (including disks!!) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurzweil_K2000 Yamaha AW-2816 HD 16 channel digital workstation recorder Fostex FR-2 Professional field recording technology, http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/FR2?utm_source=3DGoogle&utm_medium= =3DPPC&utm_campaign=3Dnone&gclid=3DCOrcoanlw6wCFQmAhwoda0XHpQ Lexicon Vortex with footswitch Roland TD-7 (1/2 rack drum synth module) Boss SE-50 (1/2 rack multiu-fx-predecessor to the VF-1?) Yamaha MJC8 8 input Midi patchbay Flying Cow M-Audio Microtrack 24/96 handheld recorder If you're interested in any of this gear, drop me a line and we can work out a price. I don't want to deal with Ebay if I can help it so I'm ready to cut a deal if it keeps me from dealing with them. I'm sure many here can vouch for me as a long time lister and my ebay feedback and the like is under kevin3td4. Thanks for looking. Kevin --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 21 19:50:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03578183461; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:50:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=fpS0S0VD26KARZkdr90zAkGDm71qBAI2fZSOteGL05U=; b=QGZTqSmP8PakT8pkJ6maihqirEuOlcv4KyD2nRKXWEAV4rKBBKTS6W2Ms1yNrrW/Jv EnOZ91DsAZvCK3IHdfDMAdcjzehDB5n+vYpiHeR13mFm2tvhYiWYVBwnoYFw4g+kPEyB AI4PvrSIekfHogeG3BBHPYvwRZKtCNrFr4Dlk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 11:50:29 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Gear for sale From: doody To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04374ad1b7eb1804b243ffcf Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:50:32 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04374ad1b7eb1804b243ffcf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Kevin - How much for the Vortex? Whee - Dan On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > So, I made mention of some gear of friend of mine was selling a ways > back and now it appears that I have inherited said gear as he moves to > New Zealand. And I don't have room for all this gear. > > To cut to the chase, the following gear is up for sale, all in good > working order with prices negotiable. > > M-Audio Delta 1010 soundcard and rack > > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Delta1010?utm_source=Google&utm_medium=PPC&utm_campaign=none&gclid=CInWvuvjw6wCFQVlhwodg08QrQ > > M-Audio Delta 66 soundcard and breakout > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Delta66 > > MOTU Timepiece XT (midi merge rack) > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MIDIExpXTUSB/ > > Yamaha TG-77 FM synth > http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/sy77.php > > Kurzweil K2000RS sampler with SCSI CD player and SCSI Zip drive > (including disks!!) > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurzweil_K2000 > > Yamaha AW-2816 HD 16 channel digital workstation recorder > > Fostex FR-2 Professional field recording technology, > > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/FR2?utm_source=Google&utm_medium=PPC&utm_campaign=none&gclid=COrcoanlw6wCFQmAhwoda0XHpQ > > Lexicon Vortex with footswitch > > Roland TD-7 (1/2 rack drum synth module) > > Boss SE-50 (1/2 rack multiu-fx-predecessor to the VF-1?) > > Yamaha MJC8 8 input Midi patchbay > > Flying Cow > > M-Audio Microtrack 24/96 handheld recorder > > If you're interested in any of this gear, drop me a line and we can > work out a price. I don't want to deal with Ebay if I can help it so > I'm ready to cut a deal if it keeps me from dealing with them. > > I'm sure many here can vouch for me as a long time lister and my ebay > feedback and the like is under kevin3td4. > > Thanks for looking. > > Kevin > > > > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos > > --f46d04374ad1b7eb1804b243ffcf Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Kevin -
How much for the Vortex?
Whee - Dan

On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Kevin= Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com> wrote:
So, I made mention of some gear of friend o= f mine was selling a ways
back and now it appears that I have inherited said gear as he moves to
New Zealand. =A0And I don't have room for all this gear.

To cut to the chase, the following gear is up for sale, all in good
working order with prices negotiable.

M-Audio Delta 1010 soundcard and rack
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Del= ta1010?utm_source=3DGoogle&utm_medium=3DPPC&utm_campaign=3Dnone&= ;gclid=3DCInWvuvjw6wCFQVlhwodg08QrQ

M-Audio Delta 66 soundcard and breakout
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Delta66

MOTU Timepiece XT (midi merge rack)
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MIDIExpXTUSB/

Yamaha TG-77 FM synth
h= ttp://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/sy77.php

Kurzweil K2000RS sampler with SCSI CD player and SCSI Zip drive
(including disks!!)
h= ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurzweil_K2000

Yamaha AW-2816 HD 16 channel digital =A0workstation recorder

Fostex FR-2 Professional field recording technology,
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/FR2?utm_s= ource=3DGoogle&utm_medium=3DPPC&utm_campaign=3Dnone&gclid=3DCOr= coanlw6wCFQmAhwoda0XHpQ

Lexicon Vortex with footswitch

Roland TD-7 (1/2 rack drum synth module)

Boss SE-50 (1/2 rack multiu-fx-predecessor to the VF-1?)

Yamaha MJC8 8 input Midi patchbay

Flying Cow

M-Audio Microtrack 24/96 handheld recorder

If you're interested in any of this gear, drop me a line and we can
work out a price. =A0I don't want to deal with Ebay if I can help it so=
I'm ready to cut a deal if it keeps me from dealing with them.

I'm sure many here can vouch for me as a long time lister and my ebay feedback and the like is under kevin3td4.

Thanks for looking.

Kevin




--
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.<= br>
- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org
Video = http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos


--f46d04374ad1b7eb1804b243ffcf-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 21 21:37:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2421183464; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 21:37:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 362600.11456.bm@omp1042.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1321911442; bh=R0R325o4dAF0TQuQirMvm6VnCF79FbbBgTjpzjsgeEk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mehlNqxF3TLQ29wG2A42gRPqOpYVYQxRGnMsaYoqpr5PlfYlv+0WkHfjvMLbzZA6m9NuqJCH57+L6vnaK5CKMZl+81OlaNQkTavdQ7Ja4sGfDYr3xcd9et3QXs9kLVwM7AUNRkAt10tXq6uK4qGn2iyLTwUn6mjBDvQ8h8ZEGVc= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FXjP08UyLryG85GQmtX8DCZNFktwEoH2uT4WAh7d9Q3ARC9FYtw7ib9hIfgYfKwwRtS0AyXt9ftbehxDu0NrdMR4umdi7dQoE0mEigctrH6ZjmwzG3Hmf0XD0bvFn5HYQTR2tXXSYjtR1egnRr8ZZDn5olO/jjsm/Dp9PiFMUZE=; X-YMail-OSG: A0MohKsVM1lo_lKyteBqLJJO3UPJrFIw8KQxCsfyEUri5jb NxWiQqV0IgOec7swogsNVNLXZJlln.uXwTU6oPbcxYOjgZV8o.0lUvnBmB0W 1.GKRF1AVYt1tT0sBCdcLAnvv3KnEKzI4B.AikQ1oMMHUer8agF0DcGPV16e oHZSkToTvJRf1RDxdxjHBubT9IQGtP9NZMDbEuM2AaJDds9j_.9FfClV.trT we0RpQV4yEkxaIx60CrrQww0BrXccjW5kvz0ORKZBlnkhvkebwsMr0.UtUe_ l33ShWLTn7T.6W9S9KpmAVI3nLjQqN3SiKoI12VQG2yNqQfHpAFtuC6wB4QE c6FU22vrmr5BumyvSYfxOPbsJfKIhvYczPaWl.K.CnwUTQzBRsLUY3oyNFut kYiunBwKYAv3_dCWoATAnoHpgOx2BNoGpNq9bkyCRx.QMys6pOwYpBYY.n7H 5M_MINXnu5tX_IviX50xJSympkDxxvoIlmqRh6fWBdWSdGWhccPjKLUrlBRW CTbUQm5wvgqsFoUc4pZ6amvI99CCbqwRs0xDSdEFy3p1885nQ0gqUzAZwcXA m8UgUUAfJR_DjLeZB.AZNOy5kQNSimqqYiybEodhCaR7QoPTKD.xMEDlX6Bv 9og-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 References: <2C803EF1-A13A-43A3-B9A7-DEF7D0F97E7A@eijkhout.net> Message-ID: <1321911442.93072.YahooMailNeo@web113204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 13:37:22 -0800 (PST) From: Darren Michaels Reply-To: Darren Michaels Subject: Re: Austin, TX loopers To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <2C803EF1-A13A-43A3-B9A7-DEF7D0F97E7A@eijkhout.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-983831124-1301470032-1321911442=:93072" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 21:37:24 +0000 (UTC) ---983831124-1301470032-1321911442=:93072 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cool. Nice to meet you. I might be rearranging the tour. I'll keep you posted! Darren Michaels www.darrenmichaelsbass.com http://darrenmichaels.bandcamp.com/ ________________________________ From: Victor Eijkhout To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 4:55 PM Subject: Re: Austin, TX loopers I live in Austin and I do some looping. However, I'm not sure that I'd be up to spliiting a gig with you. But do let me know if anything happens. Victor. ---983831124-1301470032-1321911442=:93072 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Cool. Nice to meet you. I might be rearranging the tour. I'll keep you posted!

Darren Michaels
www.darrenmichaelsbass.com

From: Victor Eijkhout <victor@eijkhout.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: Austin, TX loopers
I live in Austin and I do some looping. However, I'm not sure that I'd be up to spliiting a gig with you. But do let me know if anything happens.

Victor.



---983831124-1301470032-1321911442=:93072-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 01:02:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86FBC183465; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 01:02:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1321923673; bh=qyGHfrhe7Y1Xevv/y9g3TVy0pRRZQ99SxNuUO1S1RzE=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:Content-Type:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To:Mime-Version:X-Mailer; b=2NpvOEsfmMEdBcFQYE1TUT97u60AHxbTXcx/4ayuusMV/f7rMJ8C/iG6lk/PRI0JS6X88F4H6f170iyvDs0NBE1cHblSl+vWgonl0XDc7z0Bcx5YGJ6w+tjVVKcJVXs5GCH7TcUTAau3vIlHc5ApsmfsYmE6x/4rav66+I9mipk= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 509344.17179.bm@smtp109.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: bamgrssVM1lFDz8xKjeht2tgQdudIpP_gvY8ixJR4Tuh2YV MkRPXgHKsFR9.vWxClK01odY9ngN1peiQx0zkfwBUZYxkE4d1qTADrVWpX_M kMe28bawjp4rstsnNeYtRj2V79n5y4krH3oCiRMDPSALzLqbPFl1jWPZwNbK ytFVYWYAHZGCablGwMYr3WmtgfR3rx5eY39oKV4VR5Ij8Rj5k2C8YLJlC46N r3R5bQsCoNgutJ548uevZLNRzaaQAihsHZM2e3p7pTpbRD6_YLJAXVD4h3P_ gM3qk0XQwPve5lhdpsg6PDaY77pwHIILimdGv_9BZ4Pn0M7dX5Je736e8tNi MTMGcN150YebJFvAKv0UiKK9ZTJhF47b3fItRRJG8Kj0pCpUkPwxLd8Im7ml Q5e5AuxHpAUNYnHElu5w8G75IVPAImEVXkTucP9NEhumdjMocnGXUfeSrD1r f X-Yahoo-SMTP: MuVh41eswBD_ZxuS0ychWjGkg1AHBTAgyqDlhohaH_ZIXThoGKA8 From: Brian Hamlin Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-19086271 Subject: FS UK Eclipse Repeater EchoPro and more Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 01:01:09 +0000 Message-Id: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <2gsim.A.RqB.LSvyOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 01:02:03 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-19086271 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Have to sell a bunch of stuff to fund an H8000FW;=20 Eventide Eclipse =A31000=20 Line 6 Echo Pro =A3350=20 Electrix Repeater =A3500=20 Roland RSP550 =A3125=20 Pod XT =A3100=20 ADA VC Flanger 90s reissue (110v with stepdown) =A3140 Located Southend/London cheers Brian= --Apple-Mail-1-19086271 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Have to sell a bunch of stuff to fund an H8000FW; 
Eventide Eclipse = =A31000 
Line 6 Echo Pro = =A3350 
Electrix Repeater = =A3500 
Roland RSP550 = =A3125 
Pod XT =A3100 
ADA VC Flanger 90s reissue (110v with stepdown) = =A3140
Located Southend/London

cheers
X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A6F4183462; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 08:55:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_d26bff12-78da-4995-81df-2d5d175d2848_" X-Originating-IP: [81.155.122.187] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Sun Boxes Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 08:55:14 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <58D97B58-4BF4-4E78-8453-D6EADCF9FD90@ubergadget.com> References: <58D97B58-4BF4-4E78-8453-D6EADCF9FD90@ubergadget.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Nov 2011 08:55:14.0014 (UTC) FILETIME=[72E727E0:01CCA8F4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 08:55:16 +0000 (UTC) --_d26bff12-78da-4995-81df-2d5d175d2848_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very cool indeed. G > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > From: revfever@ubergadget.com > Subject: Sun Boxes > Date: Mon=2C 21 Nov 2011 20:57:01 -0800 >=20 > Whoa.... >=20 > As of this email to LD=2C around 40 or less more days to go for this =20 > "cycle". Enjoy.... >=20 > http://www.sun-boxes.com/blog/sounds/ >=20 > http://www.sun-boxes.com/blog/ >=20 > Cheers=2C > Rev. Fever > Portland=2COR > http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever >=20 = --_d26bff12-78da-4995-81df-2d5d175d2848_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Very cool indeed.

G


>=3B To: Loopers-D= elight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B From: revfever@ubergadget.com
>= =3B Subject: Sun Boxes
>=3B Date: Mon=2C 21 Nov 2011 20:57:01 -0800>=3B
>=3B Whoa....
>=3B
>=3B As of this email to LD=2C = around 40 or less more days to go for this
>=3B "cycle". Enjoy....<= br>>=3B
>=3B http://www.sun-boxes.com/blog/sounds/
>=3B
&g= t=3B http://www.sun-boxes.com/blog/
>=3B
>=3B Cheers=2C
>= =3B Rev. Fever
>=3B Portland=2COR
>=3B http://www.spiritone.com/~= rvfever
>=3B
= --_d26bff12-78da-4995-81df-2d5d175d2848_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 14:32:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8456F183464; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 14:32:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=3kn4snR/2TdwuYXvh+wm0CPnSGzQFWY7ukd303aPFv0= c=1 sm=1 a=Zq2FpVYgtBoA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=6wrDOa2Tlcs1iS1ByyX37A==:17 a=zWSFQDO9AAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=OyOLhbarAAAA:8 a=zEeA7dbkAAAA:8 a=vm92dfQjAAAA:8 a=2K2DaI9rEULADfwtznMA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=84tsCWNHjc4A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=3GpFfzojnSEA:10 a=XysmRdh2T8gPYmYF:21 a=1J5xivOQEG67ND1M:21 a=YaJcFo1iew_KfnAByzoA:9 a=md1KqW-c_3veU1e5rCwA:7 a=_j6IFtaSLNaSj2Ye:21 a=cOSfBpifVuWh9fad:21 a=6wrDOa2Tlcs1iS1ByyX37A==:117 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 06:26:06 -0800 Subject: Re: Sun Boxes From: Richard Atkinson To: LOOPERS DELIGHT LIST Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Sun Boxes Thread-Index: AcypIqub6gI7hBUVEeGnCAAWywDfRw== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3404787967_117943629" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 14:32:43 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3404787967_117943629 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Agreed! Very cool. I was fortunate enough to see Brian Eno=B9s =8C77 Million Paintings= =B9 installation at Cal State Long Beach a couple of years ago, and this has a similar sensation. It=B9s really refreshing to experience something that prods you to =8Cslow down=B9. Me like. Rich Ps. I think I=B9m gonna buy myself a little early Xmas present and get one of those groovy T-Shirts. On 11/22/11 12:55 AM, "Gareth Whittock" wrote: > Very cool indeed. >=20 > G >=20 >=20 >> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> > From: revfever@ubergadget.com >> > Subject: Sun Boxes >> > Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:57:01 -0800 >> >=20 >> > Whoa.... >> >=20 >> > As of this email to LD, around 40 or less more days to go for this >> > "cycle". Enjoy.... >> >=20 >> > http://www.sun-boxes.com/blog/sounds/ >> >=20 >> > http://www.sun-boxes.com/blog/ >> >=20 >> > Cheers, >> > Rev. Fever >> > Portland,OR >> > http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever >> >=20 > =20 >=20 --B_3404787967_117943629 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Sun Boxes Agree= d!
Very cool.  I was fortunate enough to see Brian Eno’s ‘77 = Million Paintings’ installation at Cal State Long Beach a couple of ye= ars ago, and this has a similar sensation.  It’s really refreshin= g to experience something that prods you to ‘slow down’.

Me like.

Rich

Ps. I think I’m gonna buy myself a little early Xmas present and get = one of those groovy T-Shirts.


On 11/22/11 12:55 AM, "Gareth Whittock" <buddhamachine@live.co= .uk> wrote:

Very cool indeed.

G


> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> From: revfever@ubergadget.com
> Subject: Sun Boxes
> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:57:01 -0800
>
> Whoa....
>
> As of this email to LD, around 40 or less more days to go for this &nb= sp;
> "cycle".  Enjoy....
>
> http://www.sun-boxes.c= om/blog/sounds/
>
> http://www.sun-boxes.com/blog= /
>
> Cheers,
> Rev. Fever
> Portland,OR
> http://www.spiritone.com/~= rvfever
>
       


 --B_3404787967_117943629-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 14:39:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E335183474; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 14:39:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <58D97B58-4BF4-4E78-8453-D6EADCF9FD90@ubergadget.com> Subject: RE: Sun Boxes Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:39:12 +0100 Message-ID: <6CA1F4A6FCC0481C87FE4FF9100E5150@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcypI7ygQwqSSUR3TcO6B8iObR5ClwAAHb7g In-Reply-To: <58D97B58-4BF4-4E78-8453-D6EADCF9FD90@ubergadget.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Resent-Message-ID: <6LW66D.A.15B.TQ7yOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 14:39:15 +0000 (UTC) > http://www.sun-boxes.com/blog/sounds/ Very cool. I had exactly the same idea a while ago, but because I'm not much of a hardware person, it didn't develop from there. A related idea was to house bat detectors in boxes like that. They would load during the day, and when it gets dark, they would turn the ultrasound of bats flying around into human-audible sound. -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 16:05:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F49A183462; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 16:05:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=CKBBFOpPYfBSFfEY1Rl9efxuAv/fdt7oFsWUUq3BrLQ= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Jp2CK1l8H9mZxhYZGqsswA==:17 a=zEeA7dbkAAAA:8 a=vm92dfQjAAAA:8 a=KL8z5p9LwDa3SzspPEIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Jp2CK1l8H9mZxhYZGqsswA==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Sun Boxes From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= In-Reply-To: <58D97B58-4BF4-4E78-8453-D6EADCF9FD90@ubergadget.com> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 08:05:07 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <58178914-ADB0-4151-879E-6377DE3F28FF@charter.net> References: <58D97B58-4BF4-4E78-8453-D6EADCF9FD90@ubergadget.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 16:05:15 +0000 (UTC) Very cool! Is this your own project Rev? Or are you just sharing the interesting link? Either way . . . thanks! It brightened my day. Cheers, Ted On Nov 21, 2011, at 8:57 PM, Revfever wrote: > Whoa.... >=20 > As of this email to LD, around 40 or less more days to go for this = "cycle". Enjoy.... >=20 > http://www.sun-boxes.com/blog/sounds/ >=20 > http://www.sun-boxes.com/blog/ >=20 > Cheers, > Rev. Fever > Portland,OR > http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 16:44:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02157183463; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 16:44:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_984bc306-3f49-40ec-8405-232605999e56_" X-Originating-IP: [81.155.122.187] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Sun Boxes Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 16:44:44 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6CA1F4A6FCC0481C87FE4FF9100E5150@mpeserver> References: <58D97B58-4BF4-4E78-8453-D6EADCF9FD90@ubergadget.com>,<6CA1F4A6FCC0481C87FE4FF9100E5150@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Nov 2011 16:44:46.0339 (UTC) FILETIME=[0AEACD30:01CCA936] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 16:44:47 +0000 (UTC) --_984bc306-3f49-40ec-8405-232605999e56_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great idea - You should do it. g > From: mp@mpeters.de > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Sun Boxes > Date: Tue=2C 22 Nov 2011 15:39:12 +0100 >=20 > > http://www.sun-boxes.com/blog/sounds/ >=20 > Very cool. I had exactly the same idea a while ago=2C but because I'm not= much > of a hardware person=2C it didn't develop from there. >=20 > A related idea was to house bat detectors in boxes like that. They would > load during the day=2C and when it gets dark=2C they would turn the ultra= sound > of bats flying around into human-audible sound. >=20 > -Michael >=20 >=20 = --_984bc306-3f49-40ec-8405-232605999e56_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Great idea - You should do it.

g



>= =3B From: mp@mpeters.de
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>=3B Subject: RE: Sun Boxes
>=3B Date: Tue=2C 22 Nov 2011 15:39:12= +0100
>=3B
>=3B >=3B http://www.sun-boxes.com/blog/sounds/>=3B
>=3B Very cool. I had exactly the same idea a while ago=2C bu= t because I'm not much
>=3B of a hardware person=2C it didn't develop = from there.
>=3B
>=3B A related idea was to house bat detectors = in boxes like that. They would
>=3B load during the day=2C and when it= gets dark=2C they would turn the ultrasound
>=3B of bats flying aroun= d into human-audible sound.
>=3B
>=3B -Michael
>=3B
>= =3B
= --_984bc306-3f49-40ec-8405-232605999e56_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 16:53:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8FEE183473; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 16:53:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=EMGuP+etP9RVTnR4532HH1fJ/Eqn+SeiEsYrbTlDNbM=; b=q+ZJvurXVJEhoTCSbx6XTjL4wnmi3BKTvfGtKn8MP7mKT25/WNuupn/7fd2iPJ3hRK Vo7I6/0OYLp3xcPq5Nwg+Neg5EagkgD34MBAyYWJRW3MUUWJEHr4tkNvPYQtsE6NFdrd OrtFgg0dTWLMJ19cprVJrA7d/3bCH3yLJDJCE= Message-ID: <6DF5C4A35A414F12B3A0D8BC974654AD@americas.hpqcorp.net> Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <58D97B58-4BF4-4E78-8453-D6EADCF9FD90@ubergadget.com> <58178914-ADB0-4151-879E-6377DE3F28FF@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <58178914-ADB0-4151-879E-6377DE3F28FF@charter.net> Subject: Ableton Live? Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 09:53:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 16:53:01 +0000 (UTC) I am thinking of diving into the world of synchronized live looping, using drum samples, etc. Right now the way I am going this is quite cumbersome. I am loading up sound files and playing them in Max/MSP, then I am manually looping them with Mobius (in Max/MSP as a VST), then playing over that. I was researching the newest version of Live and it looks promising. I can apparently host my VSTs, like Reaktor, load up waves, etc, loop in real time. Any thoughts? Is this the right choice? Kris www.krispenhartung.com "I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" - Voltaire From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 17:25:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C639183464; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:25:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.5.7110,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-11-21_08:2011-11-21,2011-11-21,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1111220172 Subject: Re: Ableton Live? From: Daniel Thomas X-Priority: 3 In-reply-to: <6DF5C4A35A414F12B3A0D8BC974654AD@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 09:25:33 -0800 Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <6E671EC5-2E26-4EF4-8DB3-74A50D0B8234@mac.com> References: <58D97B58-4BF4-4E78-8453-D6EADCF9FD90@ubergadget.com> <58178914-ADB0-4151-879E-6377DE3F28FF@charter.net> <6DF5C4A35A414F12B3A0D8BC974654AD@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Kris Hartung X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:25:41 +0000 (UTC) I love mobius in Live. Its the most powerful looping platform I have ever used. The routing and VST integration/automation alone is worth the expense of Live. D On Nov 22, 2011, at 8:53 AM, Kris Hartung wrote: > I am thinking of diving into the world of synchronized live looping, using drum samples, etc. Right now the way I am going this is quite cumbersome. I am loading up sound files and playing them in Max/MSP, then I am manually looping them with Mobius (in Max/MSP as a VST), then playing over that. > > I was researching the newest version of Live and it looks promising. I can apparently host my VSTs, like Reaktor, load up waves, etc, loop in real time. > > Any thoughts? Is this the right choice? > > Kris > > www.krispenhartung.com > "I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" - Voltaire From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 17:47:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5B30183474; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:47:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=mL9OImTNvr4V4a0qcaG4PeRAtuSecpBj8ma/ARam+Mg=; b=SDPW9VADE5/GTse5DLNaXfW05hhT58CjeUmLJYlkZoT9zXuZM/sHm7SUyGh2Zylfrz RuJ2+/IdaWPhqYWf8QAnb9Mllwmxquc2gV3a4sDWAMSk/+CYY8mUufbWBi3ZBWvC3qMN r7b0ZRw9FIOArlrl60I+Vpht8ru9TRw1Zn8QE= Message-ID: <88434A25F8FB4B86AD2852F0EACBA9D9@americas.hpqcorp.net> Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <58D97B58-4BF4-4E78-8453-D6EADCF9FD90@ubergadget.com> <58178914-ADB0-4151-879E-6377DE3F28FF@charter.net> <6DF5C4A35A414F12B3A0D8BC974654AD@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6E671EC5-2E26-4EF4-8DB3-74A50D0B8234@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <6E671EC5-2E26-4EF4-8DB3-74A50D0B8234@mac.com> Subject: Re: Ableton Live? Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:47:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: <80lIaB.A.NTE.xA-yOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:47:29 +0000 (UTC) So, given that Live is a looper, why would I want to run Mobius inside of it? What am I missing? ----- Original Message ----- >I love mobius in Live. Its the most powerful looping platform I have ever >used. The routing and VST integration/automation alone is worth the >expense of Live. > > > D > On Nov 22, 2011, at 8:53 AM, Kris Hartung wrote: > >> I am thinking of diving into the world of synchronized live looping, >> using drum samples, etc. Right now the way I am going this is quite >> cumbersome. I am loading up sound files and playing them in Max/MSP, then >> I am manually looping them with Mobius (in Max/MSP as a VST), then >> playing over that. >> >> I was researching the newest version of Live and it looks promising. I >> can apparently host my VSTs, like Reaktor, load up waves, etc, loop in >> real time. >> >> Any thoughts? Is this the right choice? >> >> Kris >> >> www.krispenhartung.com >> "I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your >> right to say it" - Voltaire > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 17:47:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACA2F183461; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:47:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3sS1dhiDMLlxnGpSNPBfuk/96FR3hahULhHUCWxH7Cw=; b=k08JFQhusLq/4t6ced9st5rhEguGlvyDJhp+sZ/omoXNH8LZ33PC9JsxhKjTaxtnhL t+I/ryeYdMBZjoarUZyk4+GlFCeXsaU5raQTlZY6vZUIc101szU72gxUU/nawmVALBPD lh7aAsI2wmPFfIKJu8/N3Na4N90Qbl6qwC/4E= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6E671EC5-2E26-4EF4-8DB3-74A50D0B8234@mac.com> References: <58D97B58-4BF4-4E78-8453-D6EADCF9FD90@ubergadget.com> <58178914-ADB0-4151-879E-6377DE3F28FF@charter.net> <6DF5C4A35A414F12B3A0D8BC974654AD@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6E671EC5-2E26-4EF4-8DB3-74A50D0B8234@mac.com> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:47:54 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ableton Live? From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:47:55 +0000 (UTC) if you're planning on using drum loops, then Live makes perfect sense, as you can load them all up and fire them off at will. be aware that live's own plugins sync up really well, but i've had problems with reaktor On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Daniel Thomas wrot= e: > I love mobius in Live. =A0Its the most powerful looping platform I have e= ver used. =A0The routing and VST integration/automation alone is worth the = expense of Live. > > > D > On Nov 22, 2011, at 8:53 AM, Kris Hartung wrote: > >> I am thinking of diving into the world of synchronized live looping, usi= ng drum samples, etc. Right now the way I am going this is quite cumbersome= . I am loading up sound files and playing them in Max/MSP, then I am manual= ly looping them with Mobius (in Max/MSP as a VST), then playing over that. >> >> I was researching the newest version of Live and it looks promising. =A0= I can apparently host my VSTs, like Reaktor, load up waves, etc, loop in re= al time. >> >> Any thoughts? Is this the right choice? >> >> Kris >> >> www.krispenhartung.com >> "I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your r= ight to say it" - Voltaire > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 17:56:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7021C183463; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:56:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=OOZH88Trz3aNb3n+wpdsmNvtNnyjDcdaShEDlWxCg6Q=; b=qLlcnUuUHN/0M/w9WuSzvRqoKO8q0yn9LLPqRoHq0DOXX09JRRSRsNnqMeFpFFnyDx GCH5CiNssEWwYIlf2VHiqNaaBWXMWDY2KSJ2TRH1eBWYV8Z23ayvjphb2Rz7nyQ0357r cgt27MSD7002Ej9r7zj6U+mK6Smb6zPLRQ/Uc= Message-ID: Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <58D97B58-4BF4-4E78-8453-D6EADCF9FD90@ubergadget.com><58178914-ADB0-4151-879E-6377DE3F28FF@charter.net><6DF5C4A35A414F12B3A0D8BC974654AD@americas.hpqcorp.net><6E671EC5-2E26-4EF4-8DB3-74A50D0B8234@mac.com><88434A25F8FB4B86AD2852F0EACBA9D9@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Ableton Live? Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:56:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:56:00 +0000 (UTC) So, I am guessing Live can't do things like Next Loop, Multiply, etc? ----- Original Message ----- > well you'd be missing all the functionality that comes with mobius. it > all depends on what you want to get out of it. live's own looper may > be adequate, but i don't know what you plan to do... > > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Kris Hartung > wrote: >> So, given that Live is a looper, why would I want to run Mobius inside of >> it? What am I missing? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 18:43:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5105183465; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 18:43:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <58178914-ADB0-4151-879E-6377DE3F28FF@charter.net> References: <58D97B58-4BF4-4E78-8453-D6EADCF9FD90@ubergadget.com> <58178914-ADB0-4151-879E-6377DE3F28FF@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: From: Revfever Subject: Re: Sun Boxes Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:43:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by host.newworlddelivery.com id pAMIhbw3018771 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 18:43:39 +0000 (UTC) Hi Ted, Not my project. Just sharing the (sun) exposure. But, thanky for the thought, anyway! Cheerios, Rev. Fever On Nov 22, 2011, at 8:05 AM, tEd ® KiLLiAn wrote: > Very cool! > > Is this your own project Rev? > > Or are you just sharing the interesting link? > > Either way . . . thanks! > > It brightened my day. > > Cheers, > > Ted > > > On Nov 21, 2011, at 8:57 PM, Revfever wrote: > >> Whoa.... >> >> As of this email to LD, around 40 or less more days to go for this >> "cycle". Enjoy.... >> >> http://www.sun-boxes.com/blog/sounds/ >> >> http://www.sun-boxes.com/blog/ >> >> Cheers, >> Rev. Fever >> Portland,OR >> http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 19:26:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFFA0183461; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 19:26:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=5bY5zJP/1+j9UxUKKSAWYCxSTFsuK3RHjCC3QihrH8k=; b=Mg1Wj3Xp4ejEn0w0Ujlx3ANo7xzs7eP8dthTt3J3mJPb2TBSpmsrDYHNqBoN+NgtfE VLA8Z9DzExJehdpgt3j93rhClvQObVVA0Quel7pvLoLyUY94qZl7XrhXHBxtltmCe+cV lDZ1c5hJwipRP/GPKUqLKkWtOo1LZLfbDtvZc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <58D97B58-4BF4-4E78-8453-D6EADCF9FD90@ubergadget.com> <58178914-ADB0-4151-879E-6377DE3F28FF@charter.net> <6DF5C4A35A414F12B3A0D8BC974654AD@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6E671EC5-2E26-4EF4-8DB3-74A50D0B8234@mac.com> <88434A25F8FB4B86AD2852F0EACBA9D9@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 11:26:18 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ableton Live? From: Art Simon To: Kris Hartung Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 19:26:19 +0000 (UTC) There's a lot to like about Ableton's looper: http://www.ableton.com/pages/live_8/announcement/looper I like how it has a versatile one button interface. I run very simple loops so I haven't tried to get something like "Next Loop" or "Multiply." You might want to read through the manual section on the looper that starts on page 314 of the manual http://downloads.ableton.com/manuals/82/ableton_live_manual_en.pdf On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Kris Hartung wrote: > So, I am guessing Live can't do things like Next Loop, Multiply, etc? > > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> well you'd be missing all the functionality that comes with mobius. it >> all depends on what you want to get out of it. live's own looper may >> be adequate, but i don't know what you plan to do... >> >> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Kris Hartung >> wrote: >>> >>> So, given that Live is a looper, why would I want to run Mobius inside of >>> it? What am I missing? > > -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com myspace [dot] com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 19:34:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63801183473; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 19:34:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IycTZUUAa6+QS8JGqJRp5+2rcERkFZywuImeLSfG0vQ=; b=DflLMJcczspyLqXA+7LCH1wGTeuqKli6ZzIQjCrRyJdduFXGwDuuXXF/uZesN39sIL 3lG4LdZl6y2Ffb5ze816fRhPW17FXRwaYTmwfnXIo4BGX+3uguNwlTAIMAXeoPvwkxou aKTsD/WEkTh/c7RF5d+ClBxSLrqt7RHFmQDNE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <58D97B58-4BF4-4E78-8453-D6EADCF9FD90@ubergadget.com> <58178914-ADB0-4151-879E-6377DE3F28FF@charter.net> <6DF5C4A35A414F12B3A0D8BC974654AD@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6E671EC5-2E26-4EF4-8DB3-74A50D0B8234@mac.com> <88434A25F8FB4B86AD2852F0EACBA9D9@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 11:34:47 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ableton Live? From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 19:34:51 +0000 (UTC) Plus, with Max for Live you can build your own MAX looper or what not within Live using all its sync capacities. Kevin On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Art Simon wrote: > There's a lot to like about Ableton's looper: > http://www.ableton.com/pages/live_8/announcement/looper > I like how it has a versatile one button interface. I run very simple > loops so I haven't tried to get something like "Next Loop" or > "Multiply." You might want to read through the manual section on the > looper that starts on page 314 of the manual > http://downloads.ableton.com/manuals/82/ableton_live_manual_en.pdf > > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Kris Hartung = wrote: >> So, I am guessing Live can't do things like Next Loop, Multiply, etc? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> well you'd be missing all the functionality that comes with mobius. it >>> all depends on what you want to get out of it. live's own looper may >>> be adequate, but i don't know what you plan to do... >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Kris Hartung >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> So, given that Live is a looper, why would I want to run Mobius inside= of >>>> it? What am I missing? >> >> > > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@gmail.com > myspace [dot] com/artsimon > > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 20:27:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A6EC183464; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 20:27:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_8a420dfc-76bf-45fe-a152-787d4bc32a54_" X-Originating-IP: [81.155.122.187] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Ableton Live? Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 20:27:06 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <58D97B58-4BF4-4E78-8453-D6EADCF9FD90@ubergadget.com>,<58178914-ADB0-4151-879E-6377DE3F28FF@charter.net>,<6DF5C4A35A414F12B3A0D8BC974654AD@americas.hpqcorp.net>,<6E671EC5-2E26-4EF4-8DB3-74A50D0B8234@mac.com>,<88434A25F8FB4B86AD2852F0EACBA9D9@americas.hpqcorp.net>,,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Nov 2011 20:27:07.0029 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A968C50:01CCA955] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 20:27:08 +0000 (UTC) --_8a420dfc-76bf-45fe-a152-787d4bc32a54_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ableton's looper drifts out of sync unfortunately - or maybe fortunately ? Gareth > Date: Tue=2C 22 Nov 2011 11:26:18 -0800 > Subject: Re: Ableton Live? > From: simart@gmail.com > To: krispen.hartung@gmail.com > CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > There's a lot to like about Ableton's looper: > http://www.ableton.com/pages/live_8/announcement/looper > I like how it has a versatile one button interface. I run very simple > loops so I haven't tried to get something like "Next Loop" or > "Multiply." You might want to read through the manual section on the > looper that starts on page 314 of the manual > http://downloads.ableton.com/manuals/82/ableton_live_manual_en.pdf >=20 > On Tue=2C Nov 22=2C 2011 at 9:56 AM=2C Kris Hartung wrote: > > So=2C I am guessing Live can't do things like Next Loop=2C Multiply=2C = etc? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > >> well you'd be missing all the functionality that comes with mobius. it > >> all depends on what you want to get out of it. live's own looper may > >> be adequate=2C but i don't know what you plan to do... > >> > >> On Tue=2C Nov 22=2C 2011 at 5:47 PM=2C Kris Hartung > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> So=2C given that Live is a looper=2C why would I want to run Mobius i= nside of > >>> it? What am I missing? > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Art Simon > simart@gmail.com > myspace [dot] com/artsimon >=20 = --_8a420dfc-76bf-45fe-a152-787d4bc32a54_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ableton's looper drifts out of sync unfortunately - or maybe fortunately ?<= div>
Gareth

>=3B Date: Tue=2C 22 Nov 2011 11:26= :18 -0800
>=3B Subject: Re: Ableton Live?
>=3B From: simart@gmail= .com
>=3B To: krispen.hartung@gmail.com
>=3B CC: Loopers-Delight@= loopers-delight.com
>=3B
>=3B There's a lot to like about Ableto= n's looper:
>=3B http://www.ableton.com/pages/live_8/announcement/loop= er
>=3B I like how it has a versatile one button interface. I run very= simple
>=3B loops so I haven't tried to get something like "Next Loop= " or
>=3B "Multiply." You might want to read through the manual sectio= n on the
>=3B looper that starts on page 314 of the manual
>=3B h= ttp://downloads.ableton.com/manuals/82/ableton_live_manual_en.pdf
>=3B=
>=3B On Tue=2C Nov 22=2C 2011 at 9:56 AM=2C Kris Hartung <=3Bkrisp= en.hartung@gmail.com>=3B wrote:
>=3B >=3B So=2C I am guessing Live= can't do things like Next Loop=2C Multiply=2C etc?
>=3B >=3B
>= =3B >=3B ----- Original Message -----
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B &g= t=3B>=3B well you'd be missing all the functionality that comes with mobi= us. it
>=3B >=3B>=3B all depends on what you want to get out of it= . live's own looper may
>=3B >=3B>=3B be adequate=2C but i don't k= now what you plan to do...
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B On= Tue=2C Nov 22=2C 2011 at 5:47 PM=2C Kris Hartung <=3Bkrispen.hartung@gma= il.com>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B wrote:
>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B
= >=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B So=2C given that Live is a looper=2C why would I = want to run Mobius inside of
>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B it? What am I mis= sing?
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B >=3B --
>=3B Art Simon
>=3B simart@gmail.com
>=3B myspac= e [dot] com/artsimon
>=3B
= --_8a420dfc-76bf-45fe-a152-787d4bc32a54_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 20:32:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50EB6183464; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 20:32:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=gegEsIXY5j0ZOkPnnbLY3qL0t7/N8ZjK6Cb9zaScpB8=; b=JZIuD+jYXlLkFs+CF3E8MH5vWsre0I7O7eIiGxQ6VIlVNgBfeiGb22y/Abz9RqN0A6 oZaviUweDY4XeC9lcjVxZzg6pJ453SJVuxH0xje4oLOmkjatu9O1Xr1q8cbh5MPX0Rnd 7HzRAr+HSCLTVEsqqkT9hK6/ERRpKpp0SNJkc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <58D97B58-4BF4-4E78-8453-D6EADCF9FD90@ubergadget.com> <58178914-ADB0-4151-879E-6377DE3F28FF@charter.net> <6DF5C4A35A414F12B3A0D8BC974654AD@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6E671EC5-2E26-4EF4-8DB3-74A50D0B8234@mac.com> <88434A25F8FB4B86AD2852F0EACBA9D9@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:32:22 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ableton Live? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 20:32:23 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Art Simon wrote: > "Next Loop" Thanks, Art. Reminded me that I forgot to tell that Ableton's plugin Looper only runs one loop. So there won't be a "next" to go to :-) But you could set up a work-around like the Looperlative-1 players do: use a pedal button and assign it to both mute the sounding loop and un-mute another loop on a new parallel track. That sounds, feels and works just as "NextLoop" (except for the take-over modes etc of the EDP). Kris Hartung wrote: > Is anyone using the VST EDP in Live? I tried it and it worked well in Live. But there is one thing you need to know; the VST EDP has functions hard-wired to MIDI note numbers so you either need to change the setup of your MIDI pedal-board controller to match the plugin or you have to find a third-party solution to transpose incoming notes (Bidule has a good MIDI remapper/transposer and you could open Bidule as a plugin and set that up pre VST EDP plugin). Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 20:34:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1E6B183466; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 20:34:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer :x-mimeole; bh=zOj+xggz3gb75HjdFQwK6oZ1A1PeYBI8xHfTozu5N+I=; b=VaQ2va/ZvJvWCq2Y/KdFlOhhraIs3h9WqgQ6q7W+AwUMLDCj+jKJ26mvlHyzHdnSzH iXQir0nh8nObkkZN92P6tSDO22pss7IRPnDjneIOncAawyZRAImvfEvzSwXDeJhQ2I5J KpCSiw2zEnz3y8gXQDPk1m7WDiMqLKOJK1aHc= Message-ID: <017A42114DD5488BA978BB11BDD5B059@americas.hpqcorp.net> Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <58D97B58-4BF4-4E78-8453-D6EADCF9FD90@ubergadget.com><58178914-ADB0-4151-879E-6377DE3F28FF@charter.net><6DF5C4A35A414F12B3A0D8BC974654AD@americas.hpqcorp.net><6E671EC5-2E26-4EF4-8DB3-74A50D0B8234@mac.com><88434A25F8FB4B86AD2852F0EACBA9D9@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Ableton Live? Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:34:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0631_01CCA91B.73542FD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 20:34:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0631_01CCA91B.73542FD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Basically, all I want to do at this point is import multiple samples = drum tracks and grooves, loop them, and then live loop over that with my = guitar and various VST effects like Reaktor, etc. Maybe Live is = overkill for this. Will Mobius synchronize with a looped audio track in = Live? I know these are basic ass questions. I'm plowing through YouTube = tutuorials as fast as I can to see if this is what I need to get. :) Has anyone created any Live/Mobius tutorial videos? ------=_NextPart_000_0631_01CCA91B.73542FD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Basically, all I want to do at this = point is import=20 multiple samples drum tracks and grooves, loop them, and then live loop = over=20 that with my guitar and various VST effects like Reaktor, = etc.   Maybe=20 Live is overkill for this.  Will Mobius synchronize with a looped = audio=20 track in Live? I know these are basic ass questions. I'm = plowing through=20 YouTube tutuorials as fast as I can to see if this is what I need to = get.=20 :)
 
Has anyone created any Live/Mobius = tutorial=20 videos?
------=_NextPart_000_0631_01CCA91B.73542FD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 20:35:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6234C183466; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 20:35:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=BTVo3m7WfqjSGdGiKOnpPOzT2H/ex/NzIt4TTCy4dyE=; b=cTWYyTZlvhedJJzDr1uv6YO/GaJV3U0+Iup8AsKTRHhTrfqk/6i6PX++qExE8wqF79 1ZGSIVwxi6KV/B4tN2z10jdS+P7fK5fAAvplUVBn2+YZZvObnSCaVbkVOndKXoqywhCG 7ZF6vZ97K69xzOu82TcFLBfPVPnmqArikFtKw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <58D97B58-4BF4-4E78-8453-D6EADCF9FD90@ubergadget.com> <58178914-ADB0-4151-879E-6377DE3F28FF@charter.net> <6DF5C4A35A414F12B3A0D8BC974654AD@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6E671EC5-2E26-4EF4-8DB3-74A50D0B8234@mac.com> <88434A25F8FB4B86AD2852F0EACBA9D9@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 14:35:01 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Ableton Live? From: marcus kirby To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cdfd018ce725c04b258bcc6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 20:35:04 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cdfd018ce725c04b258bcc6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I set mine to 'follow tempo' and I have not experienced drift. Not implying that you don't. Now, live's tempo to external instruments......that's a different issue :) On Nov 22, 2011 2:27 PM, "Gareth Whittock" wrote: > Ableton's looper drifts out of sync unfortunately - or maybe fortunately ? > > Gareth > > > Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 11:26:18 -0800 > > Subject: Re: Ableton Live? > > From: simart@gmail.com > > To: krispen.hartung@gmail.com > > CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > There's a lot to like about Ableton's looper: > > http://www.ableton.com/pages/live_8/announcement/looper > > I like how it has a versatile one button interface. I run very simple > > loops so I haven't tried to get something like "Next Loop" or > > "Multiply." You might want to read through the manual section on the > > looper that starts on page 314 of the manual > > http://downloads.ableton.com/manuals/82/ableton_live_manual_en.pdf > > > > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Kris Hartung > wrote: > > > So, I am guessing Live can't do things like Next Loop, Multiply, etc? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > > >> well you'd be missing all the functionality that comes with mobius. it > > >> all depends on what you want to get out of it. live's own looper may > > >> be adequate, but i don't know what you plan to do... > > >> > > >> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Kris Hartung < > krispen.hartung@gmail.com> > > >> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> So, given that Live is a looper, why would I want to run Mobius > inside of > > >>> it? What am I missing? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Art Simon > > simart@gmail.com > > myspace [dot] com/artsimon > > > --000e0cdfd018ce725c04b258bcc6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I set mine to 'follow tempo' and I have not experienced drift. N= ot implying that you don't. Now, live's tempo to external instrumen= ts......that's a different issue :)

On Nov 22, 2011 2:27 PM, "Gareth Whittock&q= uot; <buddhamachine@live.co.= uk> wrote:
Ableton's looper drifts out of sync unfortunately - or maybe fortunatel= y ?

Gareth

> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 11:26= :18 -0800
> Subject: Re: Ableton Live?
> From: simart@gmail.com
> To: kri= spen.hartung@gmail.com
> CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>
> There's a lot to like about Ableton's looper:
>= http://www.ableton.com/pages/live_8/announcement/looper
> I like how it has a versatile one button interface. I run very simple<= br>> loops so I haven't tried to get something like "Next Loop&= quot; or
> "Multiply." You might want to read through the m= anual section on the
> looper that starts on page 314 of the manual
> http://downloads.ableton.com/manuals/82/ableton_live_manual_en.pdf=
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Kris Hartung <krispen.hartung@gmail.c= om> wrote:
> > So, I am guessing Live can't do things l= ike Next Loop, Multiply, etc?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >>
>= ; >> well you'd be missing all the functionality that comes with = mobius. it
> >> all depends on what you want to get out of it. = live's own looper may
> >> be adequate, but i don't know what you plan to do...
&= gt; >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Kris Hartung= <krispen= .hartung@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> So, given th= at Live is a looper, why would I want to run Mobius inside of
> >&= gt;> it? What am I missing?
> >
> >
>
> <= br> >
> --
> Art Simon
> simart@gmail.com
> myspace [dot] com/artsi= mon
>
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Todd Matthews
twitter: gtodd876

--Apple-Mail=_CE7D629A-717F-40DC-BF19-85BC7AEA1ECB-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 21:54:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CF10183466; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:54:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=xW3IVBjfsplqCDPAST3j/tPcQyvj/NrYcCX9fK6OiRw=; b=ECmETZulOroeMdNCOjb6SaPlz2O9xVa90h5sF829y0ZJDn2Xgi6nV3d/wwdT6ZlVqX BARB9hVu1u07vQGgua/sIucpzl8zXWHke0vzd7PzpDv8nqUIBvw2/yHz/mGEetDqn7SV jyX3SnB5ohWRgVhMGaVFibtgz+tubQ5WiwZn4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8F10FBAB-95DE-47F9-A60B-C71191BDC39D@gmail.com> References: <8F10FBAB-95DE-47F9-A60B-C71191BDC39D@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 22:54:56 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_Bach_played_on_a_M=C3=B6bius_Strip_=28Correct_Link=29?= From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:54:56 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Todd Matthews wrote: > Sorry Looping brethren, that was the wrong link > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xUHQ2ybTejU That was nice! But it would have been interesting to hear it do the Mobius strip properly; I mean, not stopping and returning back at the end but continuing into a second round where now the low notes become high notes and vice versa. I bet it would sound good that way too. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 23:30:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D532C183465; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 23:30:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ruEJOaTqIHCZxFp3ihemw0eLNkq9DoeobfmoAps9UDc=; b=jt6DW9OZYjtBh+pmdJFRB/SsijTWWbUleP6sBC3Ohb7kMQi5UMjJnWQpeccAo8yiV0 Ig3+OCJs1lICgfjehd6NEZmjp0Q3xdA782j9J2QZX9B8ITLB51uh+ma1N3rDlElCJ2z9 Ua9fWU+3zsm4+ViG0y8sZtvIJO3Jv273CwPHc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <58D97B58-4BF4-4E78-8453-D6EADCF9FD90@ubergadget.com> <58178914-ADB0-4151-879E-6377DE3F28FF@charter.net> <6DF5C4A35A414F12B3A0D8BC974654AD@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6E671EC5-2E26-4EF4-8DB3-74A50D0B8234@mac.com> <88434A25F8FB4B86AD2852F0EACBA9D9@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:30:20 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: RE: Ableton Live? From: Lindsey Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151773d99ecede2a04b25b2fea Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 23:30:21 +0000 (UTC) --00151773d99ecede2a04b25b2fea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I was wondering the exact same thing(s)! On Nov 22, 2011 12:35 PM, "marcus kirby" wrote: > I set mine to 'follow tempo' and I have not experienced drift. Not > implying that you don't. Now, live's tempo to external > instruments......that's a different issue :) > On Nov 22, 2011 2:27 PM, "Gareth Whittock" > wrote: > >> Ableton's looper drifts out of sync unfortunately - or maybe fortunately >> ? >> >> Gareth >> >> > Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 11:26:18 -0800 >> > Subject: Re: Ableton Live? >> > From: simart@gmail.com >> > To: krispen.hartung@gmail.com >> > CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> > >> > There's a lot to like about Ableton's looper: >> > http://www.ableton.com/pages/live_8/announcement/looper >> > I like how it has a versatile one button interface. I run very simple >> > loops so I haven't tried to get something like "Next Loop" or >> > "Multiply." You might want to read through the manual section on the >> > looper that starts on page 314 of the manual >> > http://downloads.ableton.com/manuals/82/ableton_live_manual_en.pdf >> > >> > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Kris Hartung < >> krispen.hartung@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > So, I am guessing Live can't do things like Next Loop, Multiply, etc? >> > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > >> >> > >> well you'd be missing all the functionality that comes with mobius. >> it >> > >> all depends on what you want to get out of it. live's own looper may >> > >> be adequate, but i don't know what you plan to do... >> > >> >> > >> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Kris Hartung < >> krispen.hartung@gmail.com> >> > >> wrote: >> > >>> >> > >>> So, given that Live is a looper, why would I want to run Mobius >> inside of >> > >>> it? What am I missing? >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Art Simon >> > simart@gmail.com >> > myspace [dot] com/artsimon >> > >> > --00151773d99ecede2a04b25b2fea Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I was wondering the exact same thing(s)!=A0

On Nov 22, 2011 12:35 PM, "marcus kirby&quo= t; <marcusloops@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:

I set mine to 'follow tempo' and I have not experienced drift. N= ot implying that you don't. Now, live's tempo to external instrumen= ts......that's a different issue :)

On Nov 22, 2011 2:27 PM, "Gareth Whittock&q= uot; <budd= hamachine@live.co.uk> wrote:
Ableton's looper drifts out of sync unfortunately - or maybe fortunatel= y ?

Gareth

> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 11:26= :18 -0800
> Subject: Re: Ableton Live?
> From: simart@gmail.com
> To: kri= spen.hartung@gmail.com
> CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>
> There's a lot to like about Ableton's looper:
>= http://www.ableton.com/pages/live_8/announcement/looper
> I like how it has a versatile one button interface. I run very simple<= br>> loops so I haven't tried to get something like "Next Loop&= quot; or
> "Multiply." You might want to read through the m= anual section on the
> looper that starts on page 314 of the manual
> http://downloads.ableton.com/manuals/82/ableton_live_manual_en.pdf=
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Kris Hartung <krispen.hartung@gmail.c= om> wrote:
> > So, I am guessing Live can't do things l= ike Next Loop, Multiply, etc?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >>
>= ; >> well you'd be missing all the functionality that comes with = mobius. it
> >> all depends on what you want to get out of it. = live's own looper may
> >> be adequate, but i don't know what you plan to do...
&= gt; >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Kris Hartung= <krispen= .hartung@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> So, given th= at Live is a looper, why would I want to run Mobius inside of
> >&= gt;> it? What am I missing?
> >
> >
>
> <= br> >
> --
> Art Simon
> simart@gmail.com
> myspace [dot] com/artsi= mon
>
--00151773d99ecede2a04b25b2fea-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 23:40:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4506183475; Tue, 22 Nov 2011 23:40:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4ECC32D8.30704@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:40:08 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Hamburg CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Ambient noise fun... References: <7BE2C976-A54A-4ABE-A44F-0E8CE44006DF@grubmah.com> In-Reply-To: <7BE2C976-A54A-4ABE-A44F-0E8CE44006DF@grubmah.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000605080704070406060808" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 23:40:28 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000605080704070406060808 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > The downside is that this sort of thing makes it easy to build up a big static loop with lots of overdubs but once you are there, you can find yourself in a bit of a corner. Or maybe it's just that I'm not a drummer/percussionist... > > Mark This is what I love about the freedom afforded us by being a live looper. It gives us the ability to learn simple skills on other instruments..........not mastering the instrument, but musically useful skills. I said in an article on live looping in DRUM magazine, "I don't know a single live looping drummer who hasn't become a multi-instrumentalist." For what it's worth, Mark, I'm setting up my studio so that I can teach drum/percussion/rhythm theory lessons on SKYPE to melodic musicians who don't live in my area. It is quite easy to develop some finger/hand or stick skills and a very, very simple holistic understanding of world music theory that allows one to make one's loops more sophisticated in real time. Rhythm..........the next frontier! ....and cool loop, by the way! warmly, Rick --------------000605080704070406060808 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: 
The downside is that this sort of thing makes it easy to build up a big static loop with lots of overdubs but once you are there, you can find yourself in a bit of a corner. Or maybe it's just that I'm not a drummer/percussionist...

Mark
 This is what I love about the freedom afforded us by  being a live looper.   It gives us the ability to
learn simple skills on other instruments..........not mastering the instrument, but musically useful skills.

I said in an article on live looping in DRUM magazine,  "I don't know a single live looping drummer
who hasn't become a multi-instrumentalist."

For what it's worth, Mark,  I'm setting up my studio so that I can teach drum/percussion/rhythm theory
lessons on SKYPE to melodic musicians who don't live in my area.

It is quite easy to develop some finger/hand or stick skills and a very, very simple holistic understanding
of world music theory that allows one to make one's loops more sophisticated in real time.

Rhythm..........the next frontier!

....and cool loop,  by the way!

warmly,   Rick
 --------------000605080704070406060808-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 23 09:21:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF70D183475; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 09:21:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Tyler, Joanne" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 11:22:50 +0200 Subject: RE: Sun Boxes Thread-Topic: Sun Boxes Thread-Index: AcypMLkueKjgvt51TbCebW29bOVdAQAkK/KA Message-ID: <0D12F4912FB75044AD412D227F566ECF4C065E08AA@AL-ICT-EXMB.ufh-domain.local> References: <58D97B58-4BF4-4E78-8453-D6EADCF9FD90@ubergadget.com> <58178914-ADB0-4151-879E-6377DE3F28FF@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <58178914-ADB0-4151-879E-6377DE3F28FF@charter.net> Accept-Language: en-US, en-ZA Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-ZA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MXID: pAN9UXFX018810 X-Scanned-By: MailXServer-v4.7d on 172.20.0.10 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 09:21:53 +0000 (UTC) Could you please stop to send me e-mails. -----Original Message----- From: tEd (r) KiLLiAn [mailto:tedkillian@charter.net]=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 6:05 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sun Boxes Very cool! Is this your own project Rev? Or are you just sharing the interesting link? Either way . . . thanks! It brightened my day. Cheers, Ted On Nov 21, 2011, at 8:57 PM, Revfever wrote: > Whoa.... >=20 > As of this email to LD, around 40 or less more days to go for this "cycle= ". Enjoy.... >=20 > http://www.sun-boxes.com/blog/sounds/ >=20 > http://www.sun-boxes.com/blog/ >=20 > Cheers, > Rev. Fever > Portland,OR > http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever =0D =0D The University of Fort Hare subscribes to an e-mail disclaimer. Please clic= k on the following URL to read further:=0D http://www.ufh.ac.za/disclaimer/=0D =0D From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 23 11:28:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0C76183478; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 11:28:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4ECCD8AD.5000303@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 03:27:41 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: suck on this, mother_loopers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3gaC0C.A.1dH.AjNzOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 11:28:00 +0000 (UTC) whether live or not, this kid is hella talented........funky and funny! djparadiddle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgUx2Z3KRDk&feature=relmfu check out all of his very creative videos. I'd love to know what video software he used to be able to 'clone' himself........anyone know? rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 23 11:38:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58C63183477; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 11:38:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=RjEl8ZnO49LRFhNvX+H8e8kdgxnxZauQ8r2URzpsOS4=; b=gxeqnZPxv/X57yg4WJlR3iI7tRwXzko6Y1oPRWVNL69aB4Hs1kuaxPzteiS3W49dMf dnnotPXSUpDzEDHpa9VZrg/7tvY+5lF29rhgClj/78+n1pSwujLIDwhW1eVzuE00AVU7 ibxqS/ite9BMId4nIdLiZ0d6AGmYTUa+6qzcY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4ECCD8AD.5000303@cruzio.com> References: <4ECCD8AD.5000303@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 12:38:34 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: suck on this, mother_loopers From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 11:38:35 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > > Nice sounding brass! Brass can get so evil when played with this out-of-tune-ish-ness! I once bought an LP (vinyl days) with Johnny Dyani and first through was WTF!!!! They played a section on reed instruments and were like half notes off all the time. But then the spooky timbre just hit me in the guts and I started to enjoy the sound because it was so hundred percent cocky ;-)) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 23 17:55:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A3E8183478; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 17:55:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.5.7110,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-11-23_07:2011-11-23,2011-11-23,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1111230173 Subject: Re: suck on this, mother_loopers From: Daniel Thomas In-reply-to: <4ECCD8AD.5000303@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 09:55:24 -0800 Message-id: References: <4ECCD8AD.5000303@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <8Jg1PD.A.8dD.QOTzOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 17:55:28 +0000 (UTC) > > I'd love to know what video software he used to be able to 'clone' > himself........anyone know? Its blue screening. iMovie can do it. I think the new Windoze Movie Maker supports the feature too. Daneil On Nov 23, 2011, at 3:27 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > whether live or not, this kid is hella talented........funky and funny! > > djparadiddle > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgUx2Z3KRDk&feature=relmfu > > > check out all of his very creative videos. > > I'd love to know what video software he used to be able to 'clone' > himself........anyone know? > > rick walker > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 23 19:05:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1425183486; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 19:05:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Bach_played_on_a_M=F6bius_Strip_=28Correct_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?Link=29?= From: Mark Hamburg In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 11:05:21 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <8F10FBAB-95DE-47F9-A60B-C71191BDC39D@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 19:05:24 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 22, 2011, at 1:54 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Todd Matthews = wrote: >> Sorry Looping brethren, that was the wrong link >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=3Dplayer_embedded&v=3DxUHQ2ybTejU >=20 >=20 > That was nice! But it would have been interesting to hear it do the > Mobius strip properly; I mean, not stopping and returning back at the > end but continuing into a second round where now the low notes become > high notes and vice versa. I bet it would sound good that way too. Vihart playing a Mobius strip but not playing Bach: = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3iMI_uOM_fY&feature=3Dresults_video&playn= ext=3D1&list=3DPLBDCF02DBB7844655 Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 23 19:42:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8ADF2183486; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 19:42:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 701074544/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.191.235/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.191.235 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBADpMzU5V0r/r/2dsb2JhbAAMN6gChWgBAQEEOEARCxgJFg8JAwIBAgFFHAGrQZESh02DFQSZc4NaiQU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,560,1315177200"; d="scan'208";a="701074544" Message-ID: <4ECD4CA2.6060805@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 19:42:26 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: suck on this, mother_loopers References: <4ECCD8AD.5000303@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 19:42:42 +0000 (UTC) Daniel Thomas wrote: >> I'd love to know what video software he used to be able to 'clone' >> himself........anyone know? > > Its blue screening. iMovie can do it. I think the new Windoze Movie Maker supports the feature too. > Daneil Actually it's just a split screen, look carefully at the bass clone and he has a chunk missing to accommodate guitar clone. Don't know which softwares do that...presumably the expensive ones. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 23 19:56:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B947183486; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 19:56:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=JQTCBduH3woHINzJQAjo7ivatl479jDQ8PyIaRJyMbA=; b=szHLwt8WUet2QKnms9JqEh+Df9oFCRq+yC8Brmthur9jqgmCMh178CPjjvhFPaMVtR oCgVQo+NwOVZaikxUzqBBbYsoG6anBMMLy9qngA24nYnZfQjCbPqmUEKVEiV5keDRBR/ BMArVURdqwt1Xt1c+judeXp/VZ41v3MW9mg60= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4ECD4CA2.6060805@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4ECCD8AD.5000303@cruzio.com> <4ECD4CA2.6060805@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 14:56:48 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: suck on this, mother_loopers From: Tony K To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04478913f90a7704b26c51dd Resent-Message-ID: <7UAbt.A.tCF.AAVzOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 19:56:48 +0000 (UTC) --f46d04478913f90a7704b26c51dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'd guess iMovie or Vegas. On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 2:42 PM, andy butler wrote: > > > Daniel Thomas wrote: > >> I'd love to know what video software he used to be able to 'clone' >>> himself........anyone know? >>> >> >> Its blue screening. iMovie can do it. I think the new Windoze Movie >> Maker supports the feature too. >> Daneil >> > > Actually it's just a split screen, look carefully at the bass clone > and he has a chunk missing to accommodate guitar clone. > > Don't know which softwares do that...presumably the expensive ones. > > andy > > -- -==-=-=- Tony --f46d04478913f90a7704b26c51dd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'd guess iMovie or Vegas.=A0

On Wed= , Nov 23, 2011 at 2:42 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:


Daniel Thomas wrote:
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--f46d04478913f90a7704b26c51dd-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 23 20:28:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8B84183478; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 20:28:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=eN6AF622+Yh3IRc65607DHWFGfzCfzPzN/AZ33XrCv0=; b=tr6jClMeZxbCJPgq8W3l0rIG6YLHycCESXVij9ziDNLk/wBRhriHdbqm9Ow8g+q1tl OtTDfOytiL/C7LMhcwE8+vQ0N7I1g6NKUJA3yXSYyY5QkbcKZB0cB4xG6zkvqjMCKDTX rx9IQR0++cuE0xomg3hSQRJ9ySLyNqGUM5DlM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4ECCD8AD.5000303@cruzio.com> <4ECD4CA2.6060805@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 15:28:42 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: suck on this, mother_loopers From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <6q-UpD.A.WeF.7dVzOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 20:28:43 +0000 (UTC) You could blue (green) screen this, but then you have all the lighting issues associated with the techniques (getting the background lighting to match with the composed elements) and likely some scaling issues (to say nothing of matching camera angles... I'm just not good enough to pull this off and be happy with the results.) It's probably easier to keep each "performer" in his own corner of the room and film everything with a fixed camera, running through the song all the way through for each performers, making sure to get adequately long footage with no one in the shot. Repeat for each camera angle. Then, in a software like adobe after effects, you layer each take on top of each other (the empty room on the bottom) and make a subtractive mask around the performers. If one performer is moving "behind" another, you'll have to animate the mask to obscure part of that performer. First time I saw something like this was in a Phil Collins video (anyone remember the song?). Sylvain From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 23 20:37:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CCEB18347A; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 20:37:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=AFlM58/UScJVzIf8fI7tUHZs+cuqZDi1PxmGdSWAdhA=; b=wnpj3N4ktwaVJ21XBzEeURwhjgahvAqEwVHxNtM39BKkCntbk7f+UKJuPd6ltHXF8p MO40zXUNg+UrlaBgzOrAF3kpX4W3M9Ul/jpVRwR+A8+eJj5p6z5/PdNJ2lG07DhsOb84 vCxummgY3oEP7upQ9hERIhqn7O1S8ezRhE0l8= From: Matthias Grob Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: programmer wanted Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 17:37:15 -0300 Message-Id: To: Loop List Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <0BWw-B.A.mrF.HmVzOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 20:37:27 +0000 (UTC) hi, we need somebody to help with software questions related to = http://evoloop.org please email privately thank you=20 Matthias= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 23 20:48:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5461B18348A; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 20:48:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020204.4ECD5C04.010D,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=6WxbKfPL0TXt9qgOl33lhItx5f8MoAjSn0rMwUaxjAQ= c=1 sm=1 a=Gijwv-b_CoIA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:17 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=qpbuGJAQIbyDcHReIsYA:9 a=TAZZ_27NS8yy-5UTeVMA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=w/UXuokqZcf0sqLoL7jSjg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Clayton Gary Lehmann" To: Cc: References: <58D97B58-4BF4-4E78-8453-D6EADCF9FD90@ubergadget.com> <58178914-ADB0-4151-879E-6377DE3F28FF@charter.net> <0D12F4912FB75044AD412D227F566ECF4C065E08AA@AL-ICT-EXMB.ufh-domain.local> Subject: Could you please stop to send me e-mails Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 12:48:04 -0800 Message-ID: <6DEA132210DD45DE9FB4FEAB78543BF3@your0548c161e1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: nPOPuk Ver 2.16 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 21:48:53 +0000 (UTC) Similar and online: http://www.colinfoulke.com/RAMG and http://www.77millionsongs.com/ http://aux.zendesk.com/wall/ Ben =20 -------------------------------------------------- Richard Atkinson wrote: (22/11/2011 15:26) > Agreed! > Very cool. I was fortunate enough to see Brian Eno=B9s =8C77 Million Pai= ntings=B9 > installation at Cal State Long Beach a couple of years ago, and this has = a > similar sensation. It=B9s really refreshing to experience something that= > prods you to =8Cslow down=B9. >=20 > Me like. >=20 > Rich >=20 > Ps. I think I=B9m gonna buy myself a little early Xmas present and get on= e of > those groovy T-Shirts. >=20 >=20 > On 11/22/11 12:55 AM, "Gareth Whittock" wrote:= >=20 > > Very cool indeed. > >=20 > > G > >=20 > >=20 > >> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> > From: revfever@ubergadget.com > >> > Subject: Sun Boxes > >> > Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:57:01 -0800 > >> >=20 > >> > Whoa.... > >> >=20 > >> > As of this email to LD, around 40 or less more days to go for this > >> > "cycle". Enjoy.... > >> >=20 > >> > http://www.sun-boxes.com/blog/sounds/ > >> >=20 > >> > http://www.sun-boxes.com/blog/ > >> >=20 > >> > Cheers, > >> > Rev. Fever > >> > Portland,OR > >> > http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever > >> >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 23 21:50:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E574183475; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 21:50:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=XBuKSEysCNIjH9/S9SEfA7qWmvEfyyn9pT0SExfRxrw=; b=LBzMfPfmKQnd1HOkas6xtNbWcb8bVKnG++1xpFZfqQn3dD+6SEemUQj8LflR5B3DDH mIdI8hRm+29BCUARjdTxzeaxPWIlwM8JFnsq5HTBar7HU944Bs0l47/kHXXKTKlRK+w5 F7t6yfORQkJwve1vM1caG/Vua1sKe2+iwZms0= Message-ID: Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <58D97B58-4BF4-4E78-8453-D6EADCF9FD90@ubergadget.com><58178914-ADB0-4151-879E-6377DE3F28FF@charter.net><6DF5C4A35A414F12B3A0D8BC974654AD@americas.hpqcorp.net><6E671EC5-2E26-4EF4-8DB3-74A50D0B8234@mac.com><88434A25F8FB4B86AD2852F0EACBA9D9@americas.hpqcorp.net> <017A42114DD5488BA978BB11BDD5B059@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4ECC1B47.4010703@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ECC1B47.4010703@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Ableton Live? Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 14:50:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 21:50:39 +0000 (UTC) Anyone know why loading up Mobius in an audio track of Live 8 would crash Live? I get some window that there was a serious error, and Live shuts down. Do I need to configure Mobius in some way or fashion as a standadone before I attempt to load it in Live? Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 23 22:07:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA2E1183478; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 22:07:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=tH5rtMPPSMNfEeoB0yduYloyMqqckjPFi0eBNCLqZJA=; b=j+EqHYSWGvK0t+89jK2WXB54HncVNIXTzCafUK8yJGsyRho6tya8FmZVmdqa10TYxe KGXM3TooSM/q8FDIjLLNur7GTMhgUmpMrTQ3MxRjAWtp1SWbZvbUskHaGVih8NZ7LoGd PZIsaI2ZxHcg18QkSjZDBZYFHT/MJbsi9iSFs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <58D97B58-4BF4-4E78-8453-D6EADCF9FD90@ubergadget.com> <58178914-ADB0-4151-879E-6377DE3F28FF@charter.net> <6DF5C4A35A414F12B3A0D8BC974654AD@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6E671EC5-2E26-4EF4-8DB3-74A50D0B8234@mac.com> <88434A25F8FB4B86AD2852F0EACBA9D9@americas.hpqcorp.net> <017A42114DD5488BA978BB11BDD5B059@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4ECC1B47.4010703@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 23:07:37 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ableton Live? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 22:07:38 +0000 (UTC) Set Mobius to the host sync you want to use. There is "host bar" and "host beat". Also check your settings under Mobius Track Setup regarding outputs. If not using separate track outputs there should be no more issues in that department but if setting Mobius to coax out loops over separate track outputs you need to hook up appropriate Live tracks' input slots to fetch these streams. Finally, also check the MIDI control of Mobius and of Live. For me the most stable has proven to be to disable all Mobius targetig MIDI passing through Live. What I do instead is to go into Mobius preferences and tell the looper to listen directly to the MIDI port I'm plugging my MIDI foot controller into. So Live doesn't even know Mobius has a pirate line of its own to snag external info. (another approach here would be to set up a MIDI track in Live to pipe the external control MIDI into the Mobius plugin - but why bothering with all that when you don't need to?) I suspect you are using conflicting settings in one or many of those areas. Hope you get it going soon! I've been playing here all day with Mobius Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > Anyone know why loading up Mobius in an audio track of Live 8 would crash > Live? I get some window that there was a serious error, and Live shuts down. > Do I need to configure Mobius in some way or fashion as a standadone before > I attempt to load it in Live? > Kris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 23 22:08:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD46618348B; Wed, 23 Nov 2011 22:08:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=hSE0FPg4oYgUwRfX9YQG9H95EZSICZynBM6+GMDhB7M=; b=TMqm3dPjXYfF5fkaY1gZf13WiBuOdbrE7Ij8FXwpozTxfZFKPIMhSCKxJCerT47CRx pyjtZujvxNwDj14UqesOk6nQihC4YdpcoebGzAvzAixe/5622xSOp7TPAX5zWj94Vz/+ IvevIZlJ6Axu6ZWQRIroRCjErUuqXclwIrxEU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <58D97B58-4BF4-4E78-8453-D6EADCF9FD90@ubergadget.com> <58178914-ADB0-4151-879E-6377DE3F28FF@charter.net> <6DF5C4A35A414F12B3A0D8BC974654AD@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6E671EC5-2E26-4EF4-8DB3-74A50D0B8234@mac.com> <88434A25F8FB4B86AD2852F0EACBA9D9@americas.hpqcorp.net> <017A42114DD5488BA978BB11BDD5B059@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4ECC1B47.4010703@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 23:08:54 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ableton Live? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 22:08:55 +0000 (UTC) Also check the sample rate setting of Live and your soundcard. If set to anything else than 44.1 kHz Mobius will cause trouble. Per On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:07 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Set Mobius to the host sync you want to use. There is "host bar" and > "host beat". Also check your settings under Mobius Track Setup > regarding outputs. If not using separate track outputs there should be > no more issues in that department but if setting Mobius to coax out > loops over separate track outputs you need to hook up appropriate Live > tracks' input slots to fetch these streams. Finally, also check the > MIDI control of Mobius and of Live. For me the most stable has proven > to be to disable all Mobius targetig MIDI passing through Live. What I > do instead is to go into Mobius preferences and tell the looper to > listen directly to the MIDI port I'm plugging my MIDI foot controller > into. So Live doesn't even know Mobius has a pirate line of its own to > snag external info. (another approach here would be to set up a MIDI > track in Live to pipe the external control MIDI into the Mobius plugin > - but why bothering with all that when you don't need to?) > > I suspect you are using conflicting settings in one or many of those > areas. Hope you get it going soon! > > I've been playing here all day with Mobius > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > > On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Kris Hartung > wrote: >> Anyone know why loading up Mobius in an audio track of Live 8 would crash >> Live? I get some window that there was a serious error, and Live shuts down. >> Do I need to configure Mobius in some way or fashion as a standadone before >> I attempt to load it in Live? >> Kris >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 00:19:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22473183479; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:19:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=4nrS+Pupfz9yoe83QM6C9B5ZFkNkf2Dx/4Pf5Dzh/Gc=; b=oaAvuKubrf9zoP+Sf2bQH8gWrM6idOAj6Fqv7XCLtOVaAX5qo8+gMqFgpT8b05c3UZ 3l1VS6Epv6bvnjwsNCjZnHkPUeHVSdmfD4cjF1n4j/hs+JQznAmO9uGDwnTYXoW4T0Lp x9o51vvxLqFBJ7+JfRjfZGQB4fksj7J1BV7ZM= References: <4ECCD8AD.5000303@cruzio.com> <4ECD4CA2.6060805@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8L1) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 01:18:59 +0100 Message-ID: <3899205629301061251@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: suck on this, mother_loopers To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:19:07 +0000 (UTC) a simple split screen used here i think... but for the geeks, theres also a difference key. take a shot of the background ( an empty slate) and when you superimpose you can subtract the elements In common. Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 23 Nov 2011, at 21:28, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > You could blue (green) screen this, but then you have all the lighting > issues associated with the techniques (getting the background lighting > to match with the composed elements) and likely some scaling issues > (to say nothing of matching camera angles... I'm just not good enough > to pull this off and be happy with the results.) > It's probably easier to keep each "performer" in his own corner of the > room and film everything with a fixed camera, running through the song > all the way through for each performers, making sure to get adequately > long footage with no one in the shot. Repeat for each camera angle. > Then, in a software like adobe after effects, you layer each take on > top of each other (the empty room on the bottom) and make a > subtractive mask around the performers. If one performer is moving > "behind" another, you'll have to animate the mask to obscure part of > that performer. > First time I saw something like this was in a Phil Collins video > (anyone remember the song?). > Sylvain > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 01:13:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02985183477; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 01:13:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=ttuB4jFU7bv8yV5HIxKF9Polmh8hDg6Hr/WX4TKo1k0=; b=IWWUso5HFNRNF63VFa8Xfi1WTarGt0EWXWVqJFhfgD1Fa9o1q9x9grz70draG+tR6U y1rH959K+ALKmSGYHikvpCnu9ckWo9nqo0FesAFFwNjaN8y94ejsPQnwm2UwTOsOgs6W 2p/HakrBs/zPIX06gkXOyDua5vWS/CQMZd6C8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3899205629301061251@unknownmsgid> References: <4ECCD8AD.5000303@cruzio.com> <4ECD4CA2.6060805@tiscali.co.uk> <3899205629301061251@unknownmsgid> From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 02:12:51 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: suck on this, mother_loopers To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf305b13e680682b04b270bd14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 01:13:13 +0000 (UTC) --20cf305b13e680682b04b270bd14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 OK on this video technique subject.. how about THIS? http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=1784 please consider, no computers used in the making of this film... there a prize for the one who guesses the technique... Defiantly looping here... Mark On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 1:18 AM, mark francombe wrote: > a simple split screen used here i think... but for the geeks, theres > also a difference key. take a shot of the background ( an empty slate) > and when you superimpose you can subtract the elements In common. > > Sent from my (advertisement removed) > > On 23 Nov 2011, at 21:28, Sylvain Poitras > wrote: > > > You could blue (green) screen this, but then you have all the lighting > > issues associated with the techniques (getting the background lighting > > to match with the composed elements) and likely some scaling issues > > (to say nothing of matching camera angles... I'm just not good enough > > to pull this off and be happy with the results.) > > It's probably easier to keep each "performer" in his own corner of the > > room and film everything with a fixed camera, running through the song > > all the way through for each performers, making sure to get adequately > > long footage with no one in the shot. Repeat for each camera angle. > > Then, in a software like adobe after effects, you layer each take on > > top of each other (the empty room on the bottom) and make a > > subtractive mask around the performers. If one performer is moving > > "behind" another, you'll have to animate the mask to obscure part of > > that performer. > > First time I saw something like this was in a Phil Collins video > > (anyone remember the song?). > > Sylvain > > > -- mark francombe www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com twitter @markfrancombe http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no --20cf305b13e680682b04b270bd14 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK on this video technique subject.. how about THIS?

http://www.markfrancombe.com/= wordpress/?p=3D1784

please consider, no computers used in the ma= king of this film... there a prize for the one who guesses the technique...=

Defiantly looping here...


Mark




On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 1:18 AM, mark francombe <markfrancombe@gmail= .com> wrote:
a simple split screen used here i think... = but for the geeks, theres
also a difference key. take a shot of the background ( an empty slate)
and when you superimpose you can subtract the elements In common.

Sent from my (advertisement removed)

On 23 Nov 2011, at 21:28, Sylvain Poitras <sylvain.trombone@gmail.com> wrote:

> You could blue (green) screen this, but then you have all the lighting=
> issues associated with the techniques (getting the background lighting=
> to match with the composed elements) and likely some scaling issues > (to say nothing of matching camera angles... I'm just not good eno= ugh
> to pull this off and be happy with the results.)
> It's probably easier to keep each "performer" in his own= corner of the
> room and film everything with a fixed camera, running through the song=
> all the way through for each performers, making sure to get adequately=
> long footage with no one in the shot. Repeat for each camera angle. > Then, in a software like adobe after effects, you layer each take on > top of each other (the empty room on the bottom) and make a
> subtractive mask around the performers. If one performer is moving
> "behind" another, you'll have to animate the mask to obs= cure part of
> that performer.
> First time I saw something like this was in a Phil Collins video
> (anyone remember the song?).
> Sylvain
>



--
mark franco= mbe
www.markf= rancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
twitter @markfrancombe
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
--20cf305b13e680682b04b270bd14-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 02:42:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB9CE183477; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 02:42:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Sf3sevmln35A95dCuCNX5+1WZ9wHIQRtymfnbD7Rezk=; b=tdiVnM+HqvtMSFqSxIKVWibhKqpYUI3+s34BstumcAVhejHtsjWPOhYVz3zOMZc3PL ULwia6jDeeIJ3S+eMNmfSRdna2pMjdUoKelen9ItB/4H0fMNKIVFVQZX3jdE5V3F0Rc2 IVTX6aF9IWjNahEHKsc2uIvsfJIFqzUimkPkE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4ECCD8AD.5000303@cruzio.com> <4ECD4CA2.6060805@tiscali.co.uk> <3899205629301061251@unknownmsgid> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 21:42:14 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: suck on this, mother_loopers From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <42_0kD.A.1GC.H8azOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 02:42:15 +0000 (UTC) Couldn't load the video (no flash around here, chrome usually provides, but not this time), but I'm guessing you used a matte box. Sylvain On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 8:12 PM, mark francombe wrote: > OK on this video technique subject.. how about THIS? > > http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=1784 > > please consider, no computers used in the making of this film... there a > prize for the one who guesses the technique... > > Defiantly looping here... > > > Mark > > > > > On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 1:18 AM, mark francombe > wrote: >> >> a simple split screen used here i think... but for the geeks, theres >> also a difference key. take a shot of the background ( an empty slate) >> and when you superimpose you can subtract the elements In common. >> >> Sent from my (advertisement removed) >> >> On 23 Nov 2011, at 21:28, Sylvain Poitras >> wrote: >> >> > You could blue (green) screen this, but then you have all the lighting >> > issues associated with the techniques (getting the background lighting >> > to match with the composed elements) and likely some scaling issues >> > (to say nothing of matching camera angles... I'm just not good enough >> > to pull this off and be happy with the results.) >> > It's probably easier to keep each "performer" in his own corner of the >> > room and film everything with a fixed camera, running through the song >> > all the way through for each performers, making sure to get adequately >> > long footage with no one in the shot. Repeat for each camera angle. >> > Then, in a software like adobe after effects, you layer each take on >> > top of each other (the empty room on the bottom) and make a >> > subtractive mask around the performers. If one performer is moving >> > "behind" another, you'll have to animate the mask to obscure part of >> > that performer. >> > First time I saw something like this was in a Phil Collins video >> > (anyone remember the song?). >> > Sylvain >> > > > > > -- > mark francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > twitter @markfrancombe > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 05:37:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBF5F183477; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 05:37:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=aIoElh2jaqh8f1aVU8YRvPeLi+eYbgBqotCS539NHrQ=; b=TqAnfa52dpgrJjmmrc8tGfOesLI13t3SEsM1Ty5OGSNKsep7O3UFjoZkuM80k0LGqf rqwyBzIH6+u77eS2zbzatrdH8AY3hXT6PXTS5l3Hgn7wKdTBfp4uuopAOmZ5QnDZunTu KG79JTm2uho6QbfRSTBQyT8LrzRnRkH1MHX9E= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 06:37:15 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 11 11 11 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ra=FCl_Bonell?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <7-Njz.A.zlD.NgdzOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 05:37:17 +0000 (UTC) Finally, I found some spare time to edit my contribution to 11.11.11 . It is improvised touch guitar, livelooping plus algorithmic drums in 11s, of course! You can listen to it directly from my tumblr page. http://raulbonell.tumblr.com Hope you enjoy it! -- .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your imagination, they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. Kim Flint .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 06:54:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4FA3183479; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 06:54:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=z/1Wd6HgybAfGdIu4L9vEN5Wl+rO0F59P1DlIGVKDHg=; b=mRg9dx4Tbnn8+3roHuvU037XjklSBdf/OdEqm1UIniKMIHkgFgktnzt7kBlHDs12wW nAvA0nU1+OBX+N/ObdFp8M/I1tIK1AaM1gXeT7AnXrMg/SkQmjJxhB+nlmvZsnS/cklL UaWF2xSf8VrUXmiO5WZUWnJtzjWq6QCyhQTcY= References: <4ECCD8AD.5000303@cruzio.com> <4ECD4CA2.6060805@tiscali.co.uk> <3899205629301061251@unknownmsgid> From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8L1) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 07:54:38 +0100 Message-ID: <129279549881983503@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: suck on this, mother_loopers To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 06:54:45 +0000 (UTC) its just to download a plugin mate, doesnt hurt a bit. I buing the flash wrapper myself, so no clever YouTube thing here... video not by me... and not a matte box... but well worth a plugin... Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 24 Nov 2011, at 03:42, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > Couldn't load the video (no flash around here, chrome usually > provides, but not this time), but I'm guessing you used a matte box. > Sylvain > > > On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 8:12 PM, mark francombe wrote: >> OK on this video technique subject.. how about THIS? >> >> http://www.markfrancombe.com/wordpress/?p=1784 >> >> please consider, no computers used in the making of this film... there a >> prize for the one who guesses the technique... >> >> Defiantly looping here... >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 1:18 AM, mark francombe >> wrote: >>> >>> a simple split screen used here i think... but for the geeks, theres >>> also a difference key. take a shot of the background ( an empty slate) >>> and when you superimpose you can subtract the elements In common. >>> >>> Sent from my (advertisement removed) >>> >>> On 23 Nov 2011, at 21:28, Sylvain Poitras >>> wrote: >>> >>>> You could blue (green) screen this, but then you have all the lighting >>>> issues associated with the techniques (getting the background lighting >>>> to match with the composed elements) and likely some scaling issues >>>> (to say nothing of matching camera angles... I'm just not good enough >>>> to pull this off and be happy with the results.) >>>> It's probably easier to keep each "performer" in his own corner of the >>>> room and film everything with a fixed camera, running through the song >>>> all the way through for each performers, making sure to get adequately >>>> long footage with no one in the shot. Repeat for each camera angle. >>>> Then, in a software like adobe after effects, you layer each take on >>>> top of each other (the empty room on the bottom) and make a >>>> subtractive mask around the performers. If one performer is moving >>>> "behind" another, you'll have to animate the mask to obscure part of >>>> that performer. >>>> First time I saw something like this was in a Phil Collins video >>>> (anyone remember the song?). >>>> Sylvain >>>> >> >> >> >> -- >> mark francombe >> www.markfrancombe.com >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> twitter @markfrancombe >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://www.looop.no >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 14:08:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB8EC183479; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 14:08:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: Ritchie Blackmore looping Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 15:08:31 +0100 Message-ID: <5040DF149E0A4B3690D1D07BA055176B@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Thread-Index: AcyqsourcgjEQ7RdQdK1sdPsijEPNg== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 14:08:36 +0000 (UTC) people told me (and I have found this mentioned online here and there) that Ritchie Blackmore was an early livelooper, using Revox tape machines. I've never listened to Deep Purple much so this has completely escaped me so far. Can anyone confirm? when was that, are there recordings or even videos of this? "Richie Blackmore experimented with it in his early Deep Purple days and with his previous gigs with 'Screaming Lord Such'. This would have been late 60's, early 70's, he's quoted saying people in the audience could see the reel to reel and would yell at him to 'turn of the tape recorder'" "Late 60s", so he got into this probably inspired by Terry Riley, before Fripp/Eno, right? -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 14:34:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E99F183465; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 14:34:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 687 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 14:34:45 UTC X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEACFTzk4yaEmt/2dsb2JhbABDqnKCeT0CvwyHTYIyYwSIIZFpjGo X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,565,1315180800"; d="scan'208";a="195027021" X-Originating-IP: [50.104.73.173] X-Previous-IP: 50.104.73.173 Message-Id: <56FBDD4A-D189-4D82-B381-0B6C297A748F@frontier.com> From: Jeff Shirkey To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Question for SF Bay Area Loopers Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 08:29:08 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <5HcOKD.A.LzH.FYlzOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 14:34:45 +0000 (UTC) Do any of you guys and gals remember an artist from the area named Donnie Hunt? In the early 90s, he did custom graphics on a bunch of Ibanez guitars. I've been looking for one off and on for about 10 years. Just curious if anyone on the list might have known him (or known of him), and might know where I could find one of these guitars now. Email me off list? Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 14:47:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F389718347A; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 14:47:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 321 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 14:47:22 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Hm9aNk4A36FjXRiltkt8Vjs/pX7nrhJCay+yXmo5LnTf40pBQIhPOWwHOu6g7VRt; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5040DF149E0A4B3690D1D07BA055176B@mpeserver> References: <5040DF149E0A4B3690D1D07BA055176B@mpeserver> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 09:40:52 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Ritchie Blackmore looping Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-889976777==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79234a648241df0f356239c8db36d7251f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 14:47:22 +0000 (UTC) --============_-889976777==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Looping, no, not true... Ritchie Blackmore used a tube based reel to reel recorder as a preamp / gain booster and slapback echo, even back in his pre-deep purple days with Screaming Lord Sutch. http://www.thehighwaystar.com/interviews/blackmore/guitarplayer/guitarplay4.html "I like a little bit of distortion which is controlled through my tape recorder. I built my own tape recorder; well, I didn't build it, but I modified it from a regular tape recorder to an echo unit. It also preamps and boosts the signal going to the amp. If I want a fuzzy effect l just turn up the output stage of the tape recorder. Can you be more specific as to how it works? I just keep it on "record" so it records, and it's like a continual echo becaus I couldn't get that echo with any echo machine. A continual boom, boom, boom, repeat. Most echo machines are awful; it's like you're in a hallway. The tape recorder doesn't interfere with the note you're playing. What type of recorder is it? I don't really know. I tried using a Revox and it didn't work. I'd really be in trouble if somebody stole my recorder. I've been using it for the last four or five years. How did you come upon this idea? I used to do that at home; I used to take my tape recorder and use it as an echo. So I thought if I could use it at home I could use it onstage and it sounded right onstage. How exactly is it hooked up? There's a cord from the guitar into the tape recorder input, and the output stage just goes back to the amp. And I can control the volume, too; I can have it loud with no distortion or vise versa. I have a little footpedal that I can stop and start it with. A lot of people think when they see the tape going the solos are recorded. Lots of people ask that. Some guy shouted in New York, "Turn the tape recorder off." Actually all that inspired me, I turned it off and really whizzed around." Here is one of the coolest Ritchie Blackmore tape delay / volume swell tricks. I've Cued up this link to 4:00 to the start of the coolness...: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS9IqML8Ubc&feature=player_detailpage#t=239s >people told me (and I have found this mentioned online here and there) that >Ritchie Blackmore was an early livelooper, using Revox tape machines. I've >never listened to Deep Purple much so this has completely escaped me so far. >Can anyone confirm? when was that, are there recordings or even videos of >this? > > "Richie Blackmore experimented with it in his early Deep Purple days and >with his previous gigs with 'Screaming Lord Such'. This would have been late >60's, early 70's, he's quoted saying people in the audience could see the >reel to reel and would yell at him to 'turn of the tape recorder'" > >"Late 60s", so he got into this probably inspired by Terry Riley, before >Fripp/Eno, right? > >-Michael -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix --============_-889976777==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Ritchie Blackmore looping
Looping, no, not true...

Ritchie Blackmore used a tube based reel to reel recorder as a preamp / gain booster and slapback echo, even back in his pre-deep purple days with Screaming Lord Sutch.

http://www.thehighwaystar.com/interviews/blackmore/guitarplayer/guitarplay4.html

"I like a little bit of distortion which is controlled through my tape recorder. I built my own tape recorder; well, I didn't build it, but I modified it from a regular tape recorder to an echo unit. It also preamps and boosts the signal going to the amp. If I want a fuzzy effect l just turn up the output stage of the tape recorder.

Can you be more specific as to how it works?

I just keep it on "record" so it records, and it's like a continual echo becaus I couldn't get that echo with any echo machine. A continual boom, boom, boom, repeat. Most echo machines are awful; it's like you're in a hallway. The tape recorder doesn't interfere with the note you're playing.

What type of recorder is it?

I don't really know. I tried using a Revox and it didn't work. I'd really be in trouble if somebody stole my recorder. I've been using it for the last four or five years.

How did you come upon this idea?

I used to do that at home; I used to take my tape recorder and use it as an echo. So I thought if I could use it at home I could use it onstage and it sounded right onstage.

How exactly is it hooked up?

There's a cord from the guitar into the tape recorder input, and the output stage just goes back to the amp. And I can control the volume, too; I can have it loud with no distortion or vise versa. I have a little footpedal that I can stop and start it with. A lot of people think when they see the tape going the solos are recorded. Lots of people ask that. Some guy shouted in New York, "Turn the tape recorder off." Actually all that inspired me, I turned it off and really whizzed around."



Here is one of the coolest Ritchie Blackmore tape delay / volume swell tricks.

I've Cued up this link to 4:00 to the start of the coolness...:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS9IqML8Ubc&feature=player_detailpage#t=239s



people told me (and I have found this mentioned online here and there) that
Ritchie Blackmore was an early livelooper, using Revox tape machines. I've
never listened to Deep Purple much so this has completely escaped me so far.
Can anyone confirm? when was that, are there recordings or even videos of
this?

 "Richie Blackmore experimented with it in his early Deep Purple days and
with his previous gigs with 'Screaming Lord Such'. This would have been late
60's, early 70's, he's quoted saying people in the audience could see the
reel to reel and would yell at him to 'turn of the tape recorder'"

"Late 60s", so he got into this probably inspired by Terry Riley, before
Fripp/Eno, right?

-Michael


--

...
http://www.zmix.net

http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky

http://albumcredits.com/zmix
--============_-889976777==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 16:19:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4915183479; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 16:19:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gBpFkjMt/SC2T4JnrAguGEcHn56waaKaV3YofsBExys=; b=xn8I96lxXBviLV7KwRFwT/kUH0VVkWbdbEzbCKC3S9yk/oedPkpQ2phQvfaUirfNb7 g+VZjaJuh9JsMLGyMPtsv2LXjoYVyLHhyKCg9Wj4G8rubE7zXxTqA5w6r9vmdDNcSHms 2GbvqT4TIrHxnlDQQVyZFBrNu12d9LhzFopVE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <5040DF149E0A4B3690D1D07BA055176B@mpeserver> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 17:19:23 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ritchie Blackmore looping From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 16:19:24 +0000 (UTC) Nice seeing my old fav albums mentioned! The early Purple albums, especially Fireball and In Rock, was a huge recourse for me as a teenager learning to play guitar. I too had been using a reel-to-reel tape recorder as pre amp compressor/distortion so I wasn't surprised when I later heard that Blackmore used one pre Marshall. Never heard any looping from him though, but as for guitar tone, phrasing and micro tonal string bending he still is one of the best. Check out Deamon's Eye for an example. This was even before Stevie Ray Vaughan stepped out with his typical arsenal of copied Hendrix licks (that Jimi to a great deal picked up form John Lee Hooker, so everyone's a parrot) and I thought Blackmore's way of approaching the Stratocaster was genuine. His, Hendrix and Jeff Becks early playing helped me in a great way to understand the mechanics of the STrat that can be tamed to music. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Charles Zwicky wr= ote: > Looping, no, not true... > Ritchie Blackmore used a tube based reel to reel recorder as a preamp / g= ain > booster and slapback echo, even back in his pre-deep purple days with > Screaming Lord Sutch. > http://www.thehighwaystar.com/interviews/blackmore/guitarplayer/guitarpla= y4.html > "I like a little bit of distortion which is controlled through my tape > recorder. I built my own tape recorder; well, I didn't build it, but I > modified it from a regular tape recorder to an echo unit. It also preamps > and boosts the signal going to the amp. If I want a fuzzy effect l just t= urn > up the output stage of the tape recorder. > > Can you be more specific as to how it works? > > I just keep it on "record" so it records, and it's like a continual echo > becaus I couldn't get that echo with any echo machine. A continual boom, > boom, boom, repeat. Most echo machines are awful; it's like you're in a > hallway. The tape recorder doesn't interfere with the note you're playing= . > > What type of recorder is it? > > I don't really know. I tried using a Revox and it didn't work. I'd really= be > in trouble if somebody stole my recorder. I've been using it for the last > four or five years. > > How did you come upon this idea? > > I used to do that at home; I used to take my tape recorder and use it as = an > echo. So I thought if I could use it at home I could use it onstage and i= t > sounded right onstage. > > How exactly is it hooked up? > > There's a cord from the guitar into the tape recorder input, and the outp= ut > stage just goes back to the amp. And I can control the volume, too; I can > have it loud with no distortion or vise versa. I have a little footpedal > that I can stop and start it with. A lot of people think when they see th= e > tape going the solos are recorded. Lots of people ask that. Some guy shou= ted > in New York, "Turn the tape recorder off." Actually all that inspired me,= I > turned it off and really whizzed around." > > > Here is one of the coolest Ritchie Blackmore tape delay / volume swell > tricks. > I've Cued up this link to 4:00 to the start of the coolness...: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DTS9IqML8Ubc&feature=3Dplayer_detailpage#= t=3D239s > > > people told me (and I have found this mentioned online here and there) th= at > Ritchie Blackmore was an early livelooper, using Revox tape machines. I'v= e > never listened to Deep Purple much so this has completely escaped me so f= ar. > Can anyone confirm? when was that, are there recordings or even videos of > this? > > =C2=A0"Richie Blackmore experimented with it in his early Deep Purple day= s and > with his previous gigs with 'Screaming Lord Such'. This would have been l= ate > 60's, early 70's, he's quoted saying people in the audience could see the > reel to reel and would yell at him to 'turn of the tape recorder'" > > "Late 60s", so he got into this probably inspired by Terry Riley, before > Fripp/Eno, right? > > -Michael > > -- > > ... > http://www.zmix.net > > http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky > > http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 16:27:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6772C183474; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 16:27:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Reyn Ouwehand Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_DA9E8E5C-CF3E-4543-9901-1C3A8E7694C3" Subject: Re: Ableton Live? Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 17:27:08 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <58D97B58-4BF4-4E78-8453-D6EADCF9FD90@ubergadget.com> <58178914-ADB0-4151-879E-6377DE3F28FF@charter.net> <6DF5C4A35A414F12B3A0D8BC974654AD@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6E671EC5-2E26-4EF4-8DB3-74A50D0B8234@mac.com> <88434A25F8FB4B86AD2852F0EACBA9D9@americas.hpqcorp.net> <017A42114DD5488BA978BB11BDD5B059@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4ECC1B47.4010703@tiscali.co.uk> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Authenticated-Sender: reynouwehand@quicknet.nl (via SMTP) X-Ziggo-spambar: -- X-Ziggo-spamscore: -2.6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 16:27:12 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_DA9E8E5C-CF3E-4543-9901-1C3A8E7694C3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've been using the build in looper from Ableton the last year.. I got = like 9 running at the same time (Keys1, Keys2, Drums, Bass, Guitar 1, = Guitar 2, Vocals 1, Vocals 2, Vocals 3). But when I do an action, record = or overdub, the whole mix get's a bit of a hickup...=20 Maybe I should give Mobius one more try... Cheers, Reyn www.reyn.net www.studiothechurch.com On Nov 23, 2011, at 11:08 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Also check the sample rate setting of Live and your soundcard. If set > to anything else than 44.1 kHz Mobius will cause trouble. >=20 > Per >=20 >=20 > On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:07 PM, Per Boysen = wrote: >> Set Mobius to the host sync you want to use. There is "host bar" and >> "host beat". Also check your settings under Mobius Track Setup >> regarding outputs. If not using separate track outputs there should = be >> no more issues in that department but if setting Mobius to coax out >> loops over separate track outputs you need to hook up appropriate = Live >> tracks' input slots to fetch these streams. Finally, also check the >> MIDI control of Mobius and of Live. For me the most stable has proven >> to be to disable all Mobius targetig MIDI passing through Live. What = I >> do instead is to go into Mobius preferences and tell the looper to >> listen directly to the MIDI port I'm plugging my MIDI foot controller >> into. So Live doesn't even know Mobius has a pirate line of its own = to >> snag external info. (another approach here would be to set up a MIDI >> track in Live to pipe the external control MIDI into the Mobius = plugin >> - but why bothering with all that when you don't need to?) >>=20 >> I suspect you are using conflicting settings in one or many of those >> areas. Hope you get it going soon! >>=20 >> I've been playing here all day with Mobius >>=20 >> Greetings from Sweden >>=20 >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Kris Hartung >> wrote: >>> Anyone know why loading up Mobius in an audio track of Live 8 would = crash >>> Live? I get some window that there was a serious error, and Live = shuts down. >>> Do I need to configure Mobius in some way or fashion as a standadone = before >>> I attempt to load it in Live? >>> Kris >>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_DA9E8E5C-CF3E-4543-9901-1C3A8E7694C3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Cheers,

Reyn

www.reyn.net
www.studiothechurch.com

On Nov 23, 2011, at 11:08 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

Also = check the sample rate setting of Live and your soundcard. If set
to = anything else than 44.1 kHz Mobius will cause = trouble.

Per


On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:07 PM, Per = Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> = wrote:
Set Mobius to the host sync you want = to use. There is "host bar" and
"host beat". Also check your settings under Mobius Track = Setup
regarding outputs. If = not using separate track outputs there should = be
no more issues in that = department but if setting Mobius to coax out
loops over separate track outputs you need to hook up = appropriate Live
tracks' input = slots to fetch these streams. Finally, also check = the
MIDI control of Mobius and = of Live. For me the most stable has proven
to be to disable all Mobius targetig MIDI passing through = Live. What I
do instead is to = go into Mobius preferences and tell the looper = to
listen directly to the MIDI = port I'm plugging my MIDI foot controller
into. So Live doesn't even know Mobius has a pirate line = of its own to
snag external = info. (another approach here would be to set up a = MIDI
track in Live to pipe the = external control MIDI into the Mobius plugin
- but why bothering with all that when you don't need = to?)

I suspect you = are using conflicting settings in one or many of = those
areas. Hope you get it = going soon!

I've been = playing here all day with Mobius

Greetings from = Sweden

Per = Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen=




On Wed, Nov 23, = 2011 at 10:50 PM, Kris Hartung
<krispen.hartung@gmail.com>= ; wrote:
Anyone know why loading up Mobius in an audio track of = Live 8 would crash
Live? I get some window that = there was a serious error, and Live shuts = down.
Do I need to configure Mobius in some way or fashion as a = standadone before
I attempt to load it in = Live?
Kris





= --Apple-Mail=_DA9E8E5C-CF3E-4543-9901-1C3A8E7694C3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 16:52:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54878183477; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 16:52:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boptronica X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Harry Weinberg Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CE78E0A37F00C9_1BEC_57C51_webmail-stg-d13.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 34889-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CE78E0A37F00C9-1BEC-231C8@webmail-stg-d13.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [96.224.251.246] Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 11:52:51 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1322153572; bh=jsfhkPnWxq45Z+/TT+nixyQB/jD/09HPL08Zts6BWJs=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lH9nWmw1bnHvLGYmBvHBGLnTRhSJXW+oTdsl4qi68P2RollYj9+YH8FByqUFeIGew T6ALroG07Td2RF/afrIAV/OIcEWJcuCa3X3KG+ANWUxzCmxJ1OXWbZGTQgQLVuLjgF wsbi9NuFdVQxzXrjfVPE+/dGAgDwM79HsmshZETU= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:448267808:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33894ece76633d79 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 16:52:57 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CE78E0A37F00C9_1BEC_57C51_webmail-stg-d13.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello to all - Here's a link to a radio show that Chris Peters (theremin an= d assorted electronics) and I (sax, DL4) did at a NYC place called ArtOnAir= . I hope you enjoy. http://artonair.org/show/boptronica Harry Harry Weinberg, Esq. Realty Advisory Board On Labor Relations, Inc. 292 Madison Avenue - 16th Floor New York, N.Y. 10017 (212) 889-4100 (212) 889-4105 (F) (917) 687-6019 (C) ----------MB_8CE78E0A37F00C9_1BEC_57C51_webmail-stg-d13.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
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 ----------MB_8CE78E0A37F00C9_1BEC_57C51_webmail-stg-d13.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 17:14:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEAA4183475; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 17:14:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 901 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 17:14:20 UTC Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 16:59:18 +0000 From: Philip Conway To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ableton Live? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <58D97B58-4BF4-4E78-8453-D6EADCF9FD90@ubergadget.com> <58178914-ADB0-4151-879E-6377DE3F28FF@charter.net> <6DF5C4A35A414F12B3A0D8BC974654AD@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6E671EC5-2E26-4EF4-8DB3-74A50D0B8234@mac.com> <88434A25F8FB4B86AD2852F0EACBA9D9@americas.hpqcorp.net> <017A42114DD5488BA978BB11BDD5B059@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4ECC1B47.4010703@tiscali.co.uk> Originator-Info: login-token=Mulberry:01mzWFTQuYvX+ZaMu23BCZ6rvaY/SwyQti+L/cZO210Q5j5rCUq/Y=; token_authority=mailto:postmaster@bristol.ac.uk X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 17:14:20 +0000 (UTC) This is indeed a very frustrating flaw in Live's Looper. Well, there are two main flaws that I've experienced: 1. Looper doesn't crossfade at loop end/start so it's very difficult to prevent clicks (impossible if you're playing something continuous like ebowed guitar or whatnot). 2. Activating the device causes pops, clicks and other weirdness. I've not noticed sync issues but I'm prepared to believe it! The first issue is a pretty bad feature oversight, the latter is a pretty bad bug. All this has been mentioned many times on their forums. Other than these problems it's a great little device (the native routing options are particularly fantastic). We can only hope that if/when Live 9 ever comes along it'll be sorted out properly. Of course, you can loop in Live without 'Looper' but that itself has limitations; it's difficult to undo/redo, etc. It's meant for playing with pre-recorded loops, live (not live looping!). One nice feature of the Looper is that you can drag and drop a loop you've recorded into it straight into Live's 'clip view' as a normal clip and you can then jam with it that way. Great for improvisation-fueled recording and saving ideas for later. This discussion has reminded me that I need to give Mobius another shot! (At least until Ableton get their acts together.) Philip. --On 24 November 2011 17:27 +0100 Reyn Ouwehand wrote: > > I've been using the build in looper from Ableton the last year.. I got > like 9 running at the same time (Keys1, Keys2, Drums, Bass, Guitar 1, > Guitar 2, Vocals 1, Vocals 2, Vocals 3). But when I do an action, record > or overdub, the whole mix get's a bit of a hickup... > > > Maybe I should give Mobius one more try... > > > Cheers, > > Reyn > > www.reyn.net > www.studiothechurch.com > > > On Nov 23, 2011, at 11:08 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > > Also check the sample rate setting of Live and your soundcard. If set > to anything else than 44.1 kHz Mobius will cause trouble. > > Per > > > On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:07 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > Set Mobius to the host sync you want to use. There is "host bar" and > > > "host beat". Also check your settings under Mobius Track Setup > > > regarding outputs. If not using separate track outputs there should be > > > no more issues in that department but if setting Mobius to coax out > > > loops over separate track outputs you need to hook up appropriate Live > > > tracks' input slots to fetch these streams. Finally, also check the > > > MIDI control of Mobius and of Live. For me the most stable has proven > > > to be to disable all Mobius targetig MIDI passing through Live. What I > > > do instead is to go into Mobius preferences and tell the looper to > > > listen directly to the MIDI port I'm plugging my MIDI foot controller > > > into. So Live doesn't even know Mobius has a pirate line of its own to > > > snag external info. (another approach here would be to set up a MIDI > > > track in Live to pipe the external control MIDI into the Mobius plugin > > > - but why bothering with all that when you don't need to?) > > > > > > I suspect you are using conflicting settings in one or many of those > > > areas. Hope you get it going soon! > > > > > > I've been playing here all day with Mobius > > > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > > > Per Boysen > > > www.perboysen.com > > > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Kris Hartung > > > wrote: > > > > Anyone know why loading up Mobius in an audio track of Live 8 would crash > > > > > Live? I get some window that there was a serious error, and Live shuts > down. > > > > > Do I need to configure Mobius in some way or fashion as a standadone > before > > > > > I attempt to load it in Live? > > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 17:16:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6035C183475; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 17:16:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=h9ucP1FMjNB4ARWX2j4ik5xxfyNIAl7aIv3xHdJGcTM=; b=Lax9+irDnpewQ5pzyDN3fJZE6o0WwDQG92qO+gecH/W4hBouFJusKHuDsVMHNpTt4B VUf+vcuEviCBERR6MD1GBZOWbm2eWHNk4ZVmxCgI/Csay31Rg4HZLSQ6aIQUCTUA8uaa DbB3iMSQEcRh4t3W67+t4acpUUF8G04/UaR5E= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <58D97B58-4BF4-4E78-8453-D6EADCF9FD90@ubergadget.com> <58178914-ADB0-4151-879E-6377DE3F28FF@charter.net> <6DF5C4A35A414F12B3A0D8BC974654AD@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6E671EC5-2E26-4EF4-8DB3-74A50D0B8234@mac.com> <88434A25F8FB4B86AD2852F0EACBA9D9@americas.hpqcorp.net> <017A42114DD5488BA978BB11BDD5B059@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4ECC1B47.4010703@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 12:16:43 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ableton Live? From: Jeffrey Collins To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151750e2ac5bc23604b27e3354 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 17:16:46 +0000 (UTC) --00151750e2ac5bc23604b27e3354 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It helps us to know what kind of system and how much ram you are working with. To me, that sounds like a lot of instances of the looper. Why would you need to use that many. It's really easy to do looping without using the looper. Just go do a search for Christopher Willits and his tutorial videos. Jeffrey On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Reyn Ouwehand wrote: > I've been using the build in looper from Ableton the last year.. I got > like 9 running at the same time (Keys1, Keys2, Drums, Bass, Guitar 1, > Guitar 2, Vocals 1, Vocals 2, Vocals 3). But when I do an action, record or > overdub, the whole mix get's a bit of a hickup... > > Maybe I should give Mobius one more try... > > Cheers, > > Reyn > > www.reyn.net > www.studiothechurch.com > > On Nov 23, 2011, at 11:08 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > Also check the sample rate setting of Live and your soundcard. If set > to anything else than 44.1 kHz Mobius will cause trouble. > > Per > > > On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:07 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > Set Mobius to the host sync you want to use. There is "host bar" and > > "host beat". Also check your settings under Mobius Track Setup > > regarding outputs. If not using separate track outputs there should be > > no more issues in that department but if setting Mobius to coax out > > loops over separate track outputs you need to hook up appropriate Live > > tracks' input slots to fetch these streams. Finally, also check the > > MIDI control of Mobius and of Live. For me the most stable has proven > > to be to disable all Mobius targetig MIDI passing through Live. What I > > do instead is to go into Mobius preferences and tell the looper to > > listen directly to the MIDI port I'm plugging my MIDI foot controller > > into. So Live doesn't even know Mobius has a pirate line of its own to > > snag external info. (another approach here would be to set up a MIDI > > track in Live to pipe the external control MIDI into the Mobius plugin > > - but why bothering with all that when you don't need to?) > > > I suspect you are using conflicting settings in one or many of those > > areas. Hope you get it going soon! > > > I've been playing here all day with Mobius > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > Per Boysen > > www.perboysen.com > > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Kris Hartung > > wrote: > > Anyone know why loading up Mobius in an audio track of Live 8 would crash > > Live? I get some window that there was a serious error, and Live shuts > down. > > Do I need to configure Mobius in some way or fashion as a standadone before > > I attempt to load it in Live? > > Kris > > > > > > > --00151750e2ac5bc23604b27e3354 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It helps us to know what kind of system and how much ram you are working wi= th. To me, that sounds like a lot of instances of the looper. Why would you= need to use that many. It's really easy to do looping without using th= e looper. Just go do a search for Christopher Willits and his tutorial vide= os.=A0

Jeffrey

On Thu, Nov 24, 20= 11 at 11:27 AM, Reyn Ouwehand <loopers-delight@reyn.net> wrote:
I've been using the build in l= ooper from Ableton the last year.. I got like 9 running at the same time (K= eys1, Keys2, Drums, Bass, Guitar 1, Guitar 2, Vocals 1, Vocals 2, Vocals 3)= . But when I do an action, record or overdub, the whole mix get's a bit= of a hickup...=A0

Maybe I should give Mobius one more try...


On Nov 23, 2011, at 11:08 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

Also check the sample rate setting of Live and y= our soundcard. If set
to anything else than 44.1 kHz Mobius will cause t= rouble.

Per


On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:07 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
Set Mobius to the host sync you want= to use. There is "host bar" and
"host beat". Also check yo= ur settings under Mobius Track Setup
regarding outputs. If not using separate track outputs there should be<= br>
no more issues in that department bu= t if setting Mobius to coax out
l= oops over separate track outputs you need to hook up appropriate Live
tracks' input slots to fetch these streams. F= inally, also check the
MIDI contr= ol of Mobius and of Live. For me the most stable has proven
to be to disable all Mobius targetig MIDI passing= through Live. What I
do instead = is to go into Mobius preferences and tell the looper to
listen directly to the MIDI port I'm plugging my MIDI foot controller
into. So Live doesn't even kno= w Mobius has a pirate line of its own to
snag external info. (another approach here would be to set up a MIDI
track in Live to pipe the external cont= rol MIDI into the Mobius plugin
-= but why bothering with all that when you don't need to?)

I suspect you are using conflicting settings in one or many of those=
areas. Hope you get it going soo= n!

I've been playing here all day with Mobius

Greetings f= rom Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen




On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Kris Hartung
<krispen.hartung@gmail.com> wrote:
Anyone kno= w why loading up Mobius in an audio track of Live 8 would crash
Live?= I get some window that there was a serious error, and Live shuts down.
Do I need to configure Mobius in some way or fashion as a standadone bef= ore
I attempt to load it in Live?
Kris






--00151750e2ac5bc23604b27e3354-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 17:21:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1198D183479; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 17:21:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=CM3H2R8Avy88oVsFErGUMYZ80Yx+64lkj/aIHTNHCqhv4Q/+v7D5xvvKkyr5rMn7; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <5040DF149E0A4B3690D1D07BA055176B@mpeserver> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 12:20:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Ritchie Blackmore looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 9ba5b8dfa8c1229f1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79984058e4a3647a6adb92c3e407639069350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.244.252 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 17:21:26 +0000 (UTC) Per, You've expressed my feelings exactly.. I bought "Fireball" and "Machine Head" from my older brother when I was just learning the guitar. I recently purchased a beautiful lightweight 1974 strat, and there it was..! All that glorious tone I had heard from Hendrix (Electric lady when he bought a new 1968 strat), Trower (74 strat), Gilmore (68 strat), Blackmore (71 and 73 strats), Bolin (74 strat). The "uncollectible" strat era, due to the machine wound pickups with 1000 fewer windings (saved CBS $$$) and overcharged magnets, cheap tuners, etc.. but a completely NEW sound, embraced by those listed above. Here's a classic example of that tone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm9-PZJ3buk The assistant engineer / tape op on "Fireball" was Mike Thorne, who went on to produce the first three "Wire" records in 77, 78 and 79, and Soft Cell's big hit with their cover of "Tainted Love" in the 80s >Nice seeing my old fav albums mentioned! The early Purple albums, >especially Fireball and In Rock, was a huge recourse for me as a >teenager learning to play guitar. I too had been using a reel-to-reel >tape recorder as pre amp compressor/distortion so I wasn't surprised >when I later heard that Blackmore used one pre Marshall. Never heard >any looping from him though, but as for guitar tone, phrasing and >micro tonal string bending he still is one of the best. Check out >Deamon's Eye for an example. This was even before Stevie Ray Vaughan >stepped out with his typical arsenal of copied Hendrix licks (that >Jimi to a great deal picked up form John Lee Hooker, so everyone's a >parrot) and I thought Blackmore's way of approaching the Stratocaster >was genuine. His, Hendrix and Jeff Becks early playing helped me in a >great way to understand the mechanics of the STrat that can be tamed >to music. > >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen >www.perboysen.com >http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > >On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Charles Zwicky > wrote: >> Looping, no, not true... >> Ritchie Blackmore used a tube based reel to reel recorder as a preamp / gain >> booster and slapback echo, even back in his pre-deep purple days with >> Screaming Lord Sutch. >> >>http://www.thehighwaystar.com/interviews/blackmore/guitarplayer/guitarplay4.html > > "I like a little bit of distortion which is controlled through my tape >> recorder. I built my own tape recorder; well, I didn't build it, but I >> modified it from a regular tape recorder to an echo unit. It also preamps >> and boosts the signal going to the amp. If I want a fuzzy effect l just turn >> up the output stage of the tape recorder. >> >> Can you be more specific as to how it works? >> >> I just keep it on "record" so it records, and it's like a continual echo >> becaus I couldn't get that echo with any echo machine. A continual boom, >> boom, boom, repeat. Most echo machines are awful; it's like you're in a >> hallway. The tape recorder doesn't interfere with the note you're playing. >> >> What type of recorder is it? >> >> I don't really know. I tried using a Revox and it didn't work. I'd really be >> in trouble if somebody stole my recorder. I've been using it for the last >> four or five years. >> >> How did you come upon this idea? >> >> I used to do that at home; I used to take my tape recorder and use it as an >> echo. So I thought if I could use it at home I could use it onstage and it >> sounded right onstage. >> >> How exactly is it hooked up? >> >> There's a cord from the guitar into the tape recorder input, and the output >> stage just goes back to the amp. And I can control the volume, too; I can >> have it loud with no distortion or vise versa. I have a little footpedal >> that I can stop and start it with. A lot of people think when they see the >> tape going the solos are recorded. Lots of people ask that. Some guy shouted >> in New York, "Turn the tape recorder off." Actually all that inspired me, I >> turned it off and really whizzed around." >> >> >> Here is one of the coolest Ritchie Blackmore tape delay / volume swell > > tricks. >> I've Cued up this link to 4:00 to the start of the coolness...: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS9IqML8Ubc&feature=player_detailpage#t=239s >> >> >> people told me (and I have found this mentioned online here and there) that >> Ritchie Blackmore was an early livelooper, using Revox tape machines. I've >> never listened to Deep Purple much so this has completely escaped me so far. >> Can anyone confirm? when was that, are there recordings or even videos of >> this? >> >> "Richie Blackmore experimented with it in his early Deep Purple days and >> with his previous gigs with 'Screaming Lord Such'. This would have been late >> 60's, early 70's, he's quoted saying people in the audience could see the >> reel to reel and would yell at him to 'turn of the tape recorder'" >> >> "Late 60s", so he got into this probably inspired by Terry Riley, before >> Fripp/Eno, right? >> >> -Michael >> >> -- >> >> ... >> http://www.zmix.net >> >> http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky >> >> http://albumcredits.com/zmix -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://www.esession.com/ChuckZwicky http://albumcredits.com/zmix From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 17:37:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 61739183464; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 17:37:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=+w7TBk0T46SiHwwBZZPGABCkikXzd0cCX+iJDljOLj0=; b=aJY+L6dp/Y1mOXM1J1d5PMGz0XMp36g56b7AHPNF7YGg8GmIhsuTjds0/wAvINgQ5P C/CvqnyVxhOnI1/hG8+MqOXIJwFILvCX9p3gXIONcIMpBcRjlBu7q6sKWbP4qhJURNjk 5Tp/g6dempZ52A2d35Olb3hea/ZOAqAWvu0JY= From: Christopher Darrow Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-251657572 Subject: Evoloop Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 09:37:21 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Message-Id: <5855797A-0E4A-4672-9162-11D135504CCF@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <0ko7UB.A.klC.VDozOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 17:37:25 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-251657572 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wow, this is very exciting, Matthias.=20 You should consider a Kickstarter video to help fund it, if you need = help. (If you're ever in Portland OR, I could do such a thing.) Also, it would be magnificent if there was a portable battery unit that = could be purchased as an accessory so one could, say, use the Evoloop, a = Rolland Cube, maybe a boss effects pedal or two, and rock it anywhere.=20= Just a suggestion.=20 Keep up the good work! Also, if you need a sales rep for distributors in the states, I'm = currently looking for employment. :) On Nov 23, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: > related to http://evoloop.org >=20 > please email privately >=20 > thank you=20 --Apple-Mail-1-251657572 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
related = to http://evoloop.org

please email = privately

thank you 
= --Apple-Mail-1-251657572-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 17:56:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F146183479; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 17:56:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NtytpPcpEJoZwAAOPlMohH0dKV+DBO2Bl3QJIe7W0x0=; b=uoedrTTzww+E34/6UznmXRFomRc77KHCNeZRHQIdohjailXLLb9gwz5m+DAVhbQwAo WfmuhoqKI8vflkGJqdi5kcEF8dD9/7VMmga4YKnULhbLf4tI45H24iZr8z01m1wut0hI ealp+1GxHGVxPvuOAfHHMw9ZVBmb8A8dFDw58= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <58D97B58-4BF4-4E78-8453-D6EADCF9FD90@ubergadget.com> <58178914-ADB0-4151-879E-6377DE3F28FF@charter.net> <6DF5C4A35A414F12B3A0D8BC974654AD@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6E671EC5-2E26-4EF4-8DB3-74A50D0B8234@mac.com> <88434A25F8FB4B86AD2852F0EACBA9D9@americas.hpqcorp.net> <017A42114DD5488BA978BB11BDD5B059@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4ECC1B47.4010703@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 18:56:31 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ableton Live? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <858sRD.A.p0C.RVozOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 17:56:33 +0000 (UTC) The "activating devices" issue is an important factor and the reason I would chose using both Bidule and Mainstage as live looping host before Ableton Live. In both these hosts two you may have tons of effects cabled up in numerous alternative signal paths to switch between during your concert, and all those alternative devices are taken off the CPU load when not in use. Since I like to have a huge palette of alternative effect chains this makes it an easy choice. Live can't compete in this regard, but if you are not planning to use a lot of sound patch live switching Live may be even more CPU friendly for the few devices you chose to stick with, at least the latest version. To continue the comparison, if intending to play with a lot of instant switching between several alternative effect chains another important factor is how your software takes care of preserving sounding tails from the previous patch, when switching to a new patch. My experience is that Bidule is just outstanding in this department. Given you use a custom made Group that actively listens to the old patch and keeps it open until the level has diminished under a specified threshold level. Mainstage has a more rigid version of this; you can only set the number of seconds to keep the previous signal path open when switching to a new patch. When the specified time has passed it just closes by brutal force. Can sound rather rude in a delicate musical situation. One thing that Live does well is to play back pre prepared audio files. But you need to be careful not to warp them ("warping" is what Ableton calls it when audio is time-stretched for a tempo change) because that changes the fidelity a lot. I will use Live for a concert in January where eight surround channels will run pre prepared and two musicians playing along in real-time. When I did this back in March I used Logic. Logic is even more biased towards composition and studio recording production, but you may use its Performances to set up maximum 128 alternative Channel Strips, each one containing many insert effects. To call up a new Performance you send in a MIDI Program Change event into the computer. I have been using that system for a year in a dual laptop setup where Logic 7 were slave sync following another laptop running the Mobius looper as the tempo master. MIDI Clock was used for sync but from Logic 8 this synchronization system has been abandoned. I have also tried to use Mainstage file player (called "Playback") for playing back eight long files for octaphonia, but this crashed the application (hence the earlier decision to use Logic) The above findings are stuff that would have saved me a lot of research time if someone had told me, so I hope it may help someone else to find a useful solution with minimal hassle. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Philip Conway wrote: > 1. Looper doesn't crossfade at loop end/start so it's very difficult to > prevent clicks (impossible if you're playing something continuous like > ebowed guitar or whatnot). > 2. Activating the device causes pops, clicks and other weirdness. =C2=A0I= 've not > noticed sync issues but I'm prepared to believe it! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 18:02:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8385D183477; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 18:02:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Reyn Ouwehand Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D229642F-9ACF-4058-9ADC-50B72335FE4E" Subject: Re: Ableton Live? Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 19:01:58 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <58D97B58-4BF4-4E78-8453-D6EADCF9FD90@ubergadget.com> <58178914-ADB0-4151-879E-6377DE3F28FF@charter.net> <6DF5C4A35A414F12B3A0D8BC974654AD@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6E671EC5-2E26-4EF4-8DB3-74A50D0B8234@mac.com> <88434A25F8FB4B86AD2852F0EACBA9D9@americas.hpqcorp.net> <017A42114DD5488BA978BB11BDD5B059@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4ECC1B47.4010703@tiscali.co.uk> Message-Id: <87EBDB9C-6466-49D1-AAC9-833584550796@reyn.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Authenticated-Sender: reynouwehand@quicknet.nl (via SMTP) X-Ziggo-spambar: -- X-Ziggo-spamscore: -2.6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 18:02:02 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_D229642F-9ACF-4058-9ADC-50B72335FE4E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Jeffrey, I have this (old) dedicated black (intel) MacBook for Live use. = Maybe I should indeed update the RAM a bit since Ableton often crashes = when I 'save' the session. (yes indeed, great timing). I think it has to = do with the memory too. But I never push it over 25% as I really just loop with it.. maybe I'll = use same samples or predef loops, but definitely never use lots of = plugins or effects.. Cheers, Reyn www.reyn.net www.studiothechurch.com On Nov 24, 2011, at 6:16 PM, Jeffrey Collins wrote: > It helps us to know what kind of system and how much ram you are = working with. To me, that sounds like a lot of instances of the looper. = Why would you need to use that many. It's really easy to do looping = without using the looper. Just go do a search for Christopher Willits = and his tutorial videos.=20 >=20 > Jeffrey >=20 > On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Reyn Ouwehand = wrote: > I've been using the build in looper from Ableton the last year.. I got = like 9 running at the same time (Keys1, Keys2, Drums, Bass, Guitar 1, = Guitar 2, Vocals 1, Vocals 2, Vocals 3). But when I do an action, record = or overdub, the whole mix get's a bit of a hickup...=20 >=20 > Maybe I should give Mobius one more try... >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Reyn >=20 > www.reyn.net > www.studiothechurch.com >=20 > On Nov 23, 2011, at 11:08 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >=20 >> Also check the sample rate setting of Live and your soundcard. If set >> to anything else than 44.1 kHz Mobius will cause trouble. >>=20 >> Per >>=20 >>=20 >> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:07 PM, Per Boysen = wrote: >>> Set Mobius to the host sync you want to use. There is "host bar" and >>> "host beat". Also check your settings under Mobius Track Setup >>> regarding outputs. If not using separate track outputs there should = be >>> no more issues in that department but if setting Mobius to coax out >>> loops over separate track outputs you need to hook up appropriate = Live >>> tracks' input slots to fetch these streams. Finally, also check the >>> MIDI control of Mobius and of Live. For me the most stable has = proven >>> to be to disable all Mobius targetig MIDI passing through Live. What = I >>> do instead is to go into Mobius preferences and tell the looper to >>> listen directly to the MIDI port I'm plugging my MIDI foot = controller >>> into. So Live doesn't even know Mobius has a pirate line of its own = to >>> snag external info. (another approach here would be to set up a MIDI >>> track in Live to pipe the external control MIDI into the Mobius = plugin >>> - but why bothering with all that when you don't need to?) >>>=20 >>> I suspect you are using conflicting settings in one or many of those >>> areas. Hope you get it going soon! >>>=20 >>> I've been playing here all day with Mobius >>>=20 >>> Greetings from Sweden >>>=20 >>> Per Boysen >>> www.perboysen.com >>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Kris Hartung >>> wrote: >>>> Anyone know why loading up Mobius in an audio track of Live 8 would = crash >>>> Live? I get some window that there was a serious error, and Live = shuts down. >>>> Do I need to configure Mobius in some way or fashion as a = standadone before >>>> I attempt to load it in Live? >>>> Kris >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_D229642F-9ACF-4058-9ADC-50B72335FE4E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
Cheers,

Reyn

www.reyn.net
www.studiothechurch.com

On Nov 24, 2011, at 6:16 PM, Jeffrey Collins = wrote:

It helps us to know what kind of system and how much ram = you are working with. To me, that sounds like a lot of instances of the = looper. Why would you need to use that many. It's really easy to do = looping without using the looper. Just go do a search for Christopher = Willits and his tutorial videos. 

Jeffrey

On Thu, Nov 24, = 2011 at 11:27 AM, Reyn Ouwehand <loopers-delight@reyn.net><= /span> wrote:
I've been using the build in = looper from Ableton the last year.. I got like 9 running at the same = time (Keys1, Keys2, Drums, Bass, Guitar 1, Guitar 2, Vocals 1, Vocals 2, = Vocals 3). But when I do an action, record or overdub, the whole mix = get's a bit of a hickup... 

Maybe I should give Mobius one more = try...


On Nov 23, 2011, at 11:08 PM, Per Boysen = wrote:

Also check the sample = rate setting of Live and your soundcard. If set
to anything else than = 44.1 kHz Mobius will cause trouble.

Per


On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:07 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
Set Mobius to the host sync you want to use. There is = "host bar" and
"host beat". Also check your = settings under Mobius Track Setup
regarding outputs. If not using separate track outputs = there should be
no more issues in that department = but if setting Mobius to coax out
loops over separate track outputs you need to hook up = appropriate Live
tracks' input slots to fetch these streams. = Finally, also check the
MIDI = control of Mobius and of Live. For me the most stable has = proven
to be to disable all Mobius targetig MIDI = passing through Live. What I
do = instead is to go into Mobius preferences and tell the looper = to
listen directly to the MIDI port I'm plugging my MIDI foot = controller
into. So Live = doesn't even know Mobius has a pirate line of its own = to
snag external info. (another approach here would be to set up a = MIDI
track in Live to pipe the = external control MIDI into the Mobius plugin
- but why bothering with all that when you don't need = to?)

I suspect you are using conflicting settings in one or = many of those
areas. Hope you = get it going soon!

I've been playing here all day with = Mobius

Greetings from = Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen




On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Kris = Hartung
<krispen.hartung@gmail.com> wrote:
Anyone = know why loading up Mobius in an audio track of Live 8 would = crash
Live? I get some window that there was a serious error, = and Live shuts down.
Do I need to configure Mobius in some way or fashion as a = standadone before
I attempt to load it in Live?
Kris







= --Apple-Mail=_D229642F-9ACF-4058-9ADC-50B72335FE4E-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 18:03:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD3B1183477; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 18:03:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Reyn Ouwehand Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_48D9ADAE-809A-4A1C-8BA5-B215983DE1A7" Subject: Re: Ableton Live? Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 19:03:54 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <58D97B58-4BF4-4E78-8453-D6EADCF9FD90@ubergadget.com> <58178914-ADB0-4151-879E-6377DE3F28FF@charter.net> <6DF5C4A35A414F12B3A0D8BC974654AD@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6E671EC5-2E26-4EF4-8DB3-74A50D0B8234@mac.com> <88434A25F8FB4B86AD2852F0EACBA9D9@americas.hpqcorp.net> <017A42114DD5488BA978BB11BDD5B059@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4ECC1B47.4010703@tiscali.co.uk> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Authenticated-Sender: reynouwehand@quicknet.nl (via SMTP) X-Ziggo-spambar: -- X-Ziggo-spamscore: -2.9 Resent-Message-ID: <7Mev8B.A.eED.NcozOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 18:03:57 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_48D9ADAE-809A-4A1C-8BA5-B215983DE1A7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Phillip, that's right, point 2 is also correct, it does give some clips = once in a while.. You would think this isn't such a big issue to fix, but I can after Live = 7 things got very buggy at Ableton HQ, and I have the feeling they are = still catching up... Old versions ran sooo smooth.. Cheers, Reyn www.reyn.net www.studiothechurch.com On Nov 24, 2011, at 5:59 PM, Philip Conway wrote: > This is indeed a very frustrating flaw in Live's Looper. Well, there = are two main flaws that I've experienced: > 1. Looper doesn't crossfade at loop end/start so it's very difficult = to prevent clicks (impossible if you're playing something continuous = like ebowed guitar or whatnot). > 2. Activating the device causes pops, clicks and other weirdness. = I've not noticed sync issues but I'm prepared to believe it! >=20 > The first issue is a pretty bad feature oversight, the latter is a = pretty bad bug. All this has been mentioned many times on their forums. = Other than these problems it's a great little device (the native = routing options are particularly fantastic). We can only hope that = if/when Live 9 ever comes along it'll be sorted out properly. >=20 > Of course, you can loop in Live without 'Looper' but that itself has = limitations; it's difficult to undo/redo, etc. It's meant for playing = with pre-recorded loops, live (not live looping!). One nice feature of = the Looper is that you can drag and drop a loop you've recorded into it = straight into Live's 'clip view' as a normal clip and you can then jam = with it that way. Great for improvisation-fueled recording and saving = ideas for later. >=20 > This discussion has reminded me that I need to give Mobius another = shot! (At least until Ableton get their acts together.) >=20 >=20 >=20 > Philip. >=20 > --On 24 November 2011 17:27 +0100 Reyn Ouwehand = wrote: >=20 >>=20 >> I've been using the build in looper from Ableton the last year.. I = got >> like 9 running at the same time (Keys1, Keys2, Drums, Bass, Guitar 1, >> Guitar 2, Vocals 1, Vocals 2, Vocals 3). But when I do an action, = record >> or overdub, the whole mix get's a bit of a hickup... >>=20 >>=20 >> Maybe I should give Mobius one more try... >>=20 >>=20 >> Cheers, >>=20 >> Reyn >>=20 >> www.reyn.net >> www.studiothechurch.com >>=20 >>=20 >> On Nov 23, 2011, at 11:08 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >> Also check the sample rate setting of Live and your soundcard. If set >> to anything else than 44.1 kHz Mobius will cause trouble. >>=20 >> Per >>=20 >>=20 >> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:07 PM, Per Boysen = wrote: >>=20 >> Set Mobius to the host sync you want to use. There is "host bar" and >>=20 >>=20 >> "host beat". Also check your settings under Mobius Track Setup >>=20 >>=20 >> regarding outputs. If not using separate track outputs there should = be >>=20 >>=20 >> no more issues in that department but if setting Mobius to coax out >>=20 >>=20 >> loops over separate track outputs you need to hook up appropriate = Live >>=20 >>=20 >> tracks' input slots to fetch these streams. Finally, also check the >>=20 >>=20 >> MIDI control of Mobius and of Live. For me the most stable has proven >>=20 >>=20 >> to be to disable all Mobius targetig MIDI passing through Live. What = I >>=20 >>=20 >> do instead is to go into Mobius preferences and tell the looper to >>=20 >>=20 >> listen directly to the MIDI port I'm plugging my MIDI foot controller >>=20 >>=20 >> into. So Live doesn't even know Mobius has a pirate line of its own = to >>=20 >>=20 >> snag external info. (another approach here would be to set up a MIDI >>=20 >>=20 >> track in Live to pipe the external control MIDI into the Mobius = plugin >>=20 >>=20 >> - but why bothering with all that when you don't need to?) >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> I suspect you are using conflicting settings in one or many of those >>=20 >>=20 >> areas. Hope you get it going soon! >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> I've been playing here all day with Mobius >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Greetings from Sweden >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Per Boysen >>=20 >>=20 >> www.perboysen.com >>=20 >>=20 >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Kris Hartung >>=20 >>=20 >> wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Anyone know why loading up Mobius in an audio track of Live 8 would = crash >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Live? I get some window that there was a serious error, and Live = shuts >> down. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Do I need to configure Mobius in some way or fashion as a standadone >> before >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> I attempt to load it in Live? >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Kris >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_48D9ADAE-809A-4A1C-8BA5-B215983DE1A7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Cheers,

Reyn

www.reyn.net
www.studiothechurch.com

On Nov 24, 2011, at 5:59 PM, Philip Conway wrote:

This = is indeed a very frustrating flaw in Live's Looper.  Well, there = are two main flaws that I've experienced:
1. Looper doesn't crossfade = at loop end/start so it's very difficult to prevent clicks (impossible = if you're playing something continuous like ebowed guitar or = whatnot).
2. Activating the device causes pops, clicks and other = weirdness.  I've not noticed sync issues but I'm prepared to = believe it!

The first issue is a pretty bad feature oversight, = the latter is a pretty bad bug.  All this has been mentioned many = times on their forums.  Other than these problems it's a great = little device (the native routing options are particularly fantastic). =  We can only hope that if/when Live 9 ever comes along it'll be = sorted out properly.

Of course, you can loop in Live without = 'Looper' but that itself has limitations; it's difficult to undo/redo, = etc.  It's meant for playing with pre-recorded loops, live (not = live looping!).  One nice feature of the Looper is that you can = drag and drop a loop you've recorded into it straight into Live's 'clip = view' as a normal clip and you can then jam with it that way. =  Great for improvisation-fueled recording and saving ideas for = later.

This discussion has reminded me that I need to give Mobius = another shot! (At least until Ableton get their acts = together.)



Philip.

--On 24 November 2011 17:27 = +0100 Reyn Ouwehand <loopers-delight@reyn.net> = wrote:


I've been using the build in looper from Ableton the last = year.. I got
like 9 running at = the same time (Keys1, Keys2, Drums, Bass, Guitar = 1,
Guitar 2, Vocals 1, Vocals = 2, Vocals 3). But when I do an action, = record
or overdub, the whole = mix get's a bit of a hickup...


Maybe I should = give Mobius one more try...


Cheers,

Reyn

www.reyn.net
www.studiothechurch.com


On Nov 23, = 2011, at 11:08 PM, Per Boysen wrote:


Also check the = sample rate setting of Live and your soundcard. If = set
to anything else than 44.1 = kHz Mobius will cause trouble.

Per


On Wed, Nov 23, = 2011 at 11:07 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> = wrote:

Set Mobius to = the host sync you want to use. There is "host bar" = and


"host beat". = Also check your settings under Mobius Track = Setup


regarding = outputs. If not using separate track outputs there should = be


no more issues = in that department but if setting Mobius to coax = out


loops over = separate track outputs you need to hook up appropriate = Live


tracks' input = slots to fetch these streams. Finally, also check = the


MIDI control = of Mobius and of Live. For me the most stable has = proven


to be to = disable all Mobius targetig MIDI passing through Live. What = I


do instead is = to go into Mobius preferences and tell the looper = to


listen directly = to the MIDI port I'm plugging my MIDI foot = controller


into. So Live = doesn't even know Mobius has a pirate line of its own = to


snag external = info. (another approach here would be to set up a = MIDI


track in Live = to pipe the external control MIDI into the Mobius = plugin


- but why = bothering with all that when you don't need = to?)





I suspect you = are using conflicting settings in one or many of = those


areas. Hope you = get it going soon!





I've been = playing here all day with Mobius





Greetings from = Sweden





Per = Boysen


www.perboysen.com


http://www.youtube.com/perboysen=














On Wed, Nov 23, = 2011 at 10:50 PM, Kris Hartung


<krispen.hartung@gmail.com>= ; wrote:



Anyone know why = loading up Mobius in an audio track of Live 8 would = crash




Live? I get = some window that there was a serious error, and Live = shuts
down.




Do I need to = configure Mobius in some way or fashion as a = standadone
before




I attempt to = load it in Live?




Kris






















= --Apple-Mail=_48D9ADAE-809A-4A1C-8BA5-B215983DE1A7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 18:19:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0004183465; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 18:19:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xjB0z2TQAHB+OOxvsxccEe4ZXzrxjJjXmI0FELH7aTs=; b=GsAhsPKEvaW5sfhc3ZwOOKiKbS9/cy8bq/2smAUnEu5nnpG+q3NkKzlACyaCGaBDCI xNF508bgUhOEDh8iWTf2PFt7HOF4RgfexVa+I2GDBICn+Trggb8WxY9K/OkwtM3t02WC PPyb4yFB5JfA+r//hVicVtG8s1dkMmRQlp134= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5855797A-0E4A-4672-9162-11D135504CCF@gmail.com> References: <5855797A-0E4A-4672-9162-11D135504CCF@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 19:19:13 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Evoloop From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 18:19:14 +0000 (UTC) Wow, it really looks cool. Nice that it is so small too. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Christopher Darrow w= rote: > > Wow, this is very exciting, Matthias. > You should consider a Kickstarter video to help fund it, if you need help= . > (If you're ever in Portland OR, I could do such a thing.) > Also, it would be magnificent if there was a portable battery unit that > could be purchased as an accessory so one could, say, use the Evoloop, a > Rolland Cube, maybe a boss effects pedal or two, and rock it anywhere. > Just a suggestion. > Keep up the good work! > Also, if you need a sales rep for distributors in the states, I'm current= ly > looking for employment. =C2=A0 :) > > On Nov 23, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: > > related to=C2=A0http://evoloop.org > > please email privately > > thank you > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 18:26:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7049618348A; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 18:26:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Reyn Ouwehand Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D321F711-F82A-4199-930F-BD355F46A0A4" Subject: Re: Evoloop Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 19:26:08 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <5855797A-0E4A-4672-9162-11D135504CCF@gmail.com> Message-Id: <231227B1-542C-403A-881C-603C0010B467@reyn.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Authenticated-Sender: reynouwehand@quicknet.nl (via SMTP) X-Ziggo-spambar: -- X-Ziggo-spamscore: -2.7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 18:26:10 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_D321F711-F82A-4199-930F-BD355F46A0A4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Can we see more (clear) pictures of the unit?? Cheers, Reyn www.reyn.net www.studiothechurch.com --Apple-Mail=_D321F711-F82A-4199-930F-BD355F46A0A4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Can = we see more (clear) pictures of the unit??




--
<= u>Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--20cf303f6d4c63404204b2efa52e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 09:50:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF5D3183463; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 09:50:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_cde40561-4981-4346-877e-1e9da5e9df89_" X-Originating-IP: [81.155.122.187] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: free pedal plugins! Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 09:50:13 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <4ED42171.4030307@cruzio.com>,<4ED4E74A.3090603@cruzio.com>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2011 09:50:13.0470 (UTC) FILETIME=[74D62FE0:01CCAF45] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 09:50:15 +0000 (UTC) --_cde40561-4981-4346-877e-1e9da5e9df89_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not my work but these may be of use to some of you guys.. http://tonebytes.com/pedals/ Peace G = --_cde40561-4981-4346-877e-1e9da5e9df89_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not my work but these may be of use to some of you guys..
http://tonebytes.com/pedals/

Peace

G

= --_cde40561-4981-4346-877e-1e9da5e9df89_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 12:21:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58A64183462; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:21:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=DYIOm3kS6ieLqRcDnbpk7bHlUvp8cJRkOp1DEA9gLvA=; b=DRIChirpCKujndAzwjCMmhP1lbDvgc9s5LJPBhkwRii62PDNHWha4LB0PDEE/ONGcq Zr7g6lY+3YdQgpWF1L3HpU8C1JhSBE6ZrWbAsNzf0fQenY2qms1NJO8SRdn72HxhJ/dg zMcualid4y1YbEenGVgtT2B+3KT513jSxS3C0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 14:21:06 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 11 11 11 From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f923a9c362ecc04b2f2c5ec Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:21:09 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f923a9c362ecc04b2f2c5ec Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What I have read and understood about the Numerology, it would be a great tool for me too. btw, have you heard Erik's latest, http://soundcloud.com/boyeeskildsen didnt see this posted on the list... -Petri- 2011/11/29 Ra=FCl Bonell > Yes, it's a shame. Apple's are overpriced. I'm basing my solo stuff on > N more and more. I prefer N to Ableton, any day. Even, you can do > things with N that would take ages to learn in Max. > > Thanks! > > 2011/11/29, Petri Lahtinen : > > Thanks Ra=FCl, havent heard your playing before! GOOD stuff! > > Listening at the moment! Shame that I cant get numerology for PC... :-) > > > > -Petri Lahtinen- > > > > 2011/11/24 Ra=FCl Bonell > > > >> Finally, I found some spare time to edit my contribution to 11.11.11 > >> . > >> It is improvised touch guitar, livelooping plus algorithmic drums in > >> 11s, of course! > >> > >> You can listen to it directly from my tumblr page. > >> > >> http://raulbonell.tumblr.com > >> > >> Hope you enjoy it! > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> > .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-= .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. > >> Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your > >> imagination, > >> they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. > >> For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily > manipulated. > >> In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. > >> In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. > >> > >> Kim Flint > >> .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. > >> raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Petri Lahtinen > > > > > -- > > .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-= .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. > Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your > imagination, > they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. > For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. > In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. > In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. > > Kim Flint > .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. > raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com > > --=20 Petri Lahtinen --e89a8f923a9c362ecc04b2f2c5ec Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What I have read and understood about the Numerology,
it would be a grea= t tool for me too.

btw, have you heard Erik's latest,
http://soundcloud.com/boyeeskildse= n
didnt see this posted on the list...

-Petri-

2011/11/29 Ra=FCl Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>
Yes, it's a shame. Apple's are overpriced. I'm basing my solo s= tuff on
N more and more. I prefer N to Ableton, any day. Even, you can do
things with N that would take ages to learn in Max.

Thanks!

2011/11/29, Petri Lahtinen <kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com>:
> Thanks Ra=FCl, havent heard yo= ur playing before! GOOD stuff!
> Listening at the moment! Shame that I cant get numerology for PC... :-= )
>
> -Petri Lahtinen-
>
> 2011/11/24 Ra=FCl Bonell <= raul.bonell@gmail.com>
>
>> Finally, I found some spare time to edit my contribution to 11.11.= 11
>> .
>> It is improvised touch guitar, livelooping plus algorithmic drums = in
>> 11s, of course!
>>
>> You can listen to it directly from my tumblr page.
>>
>> http://= raulbonell.tumblr.com
>>
>> Hope you enjoy it!
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.= -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
>> Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your=
>> imagination,
>> they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group.=
>> For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manip= ulated.
>> In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others.
>> In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant.
>>
>> Kim Flint
>> .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
>> raulbon= ell.tumblr.com - co= llective.com
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Petri Lahtinen
>


--
.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-= .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your imaginat= ion,
they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group.
For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others.
In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant.

Kim Flint
.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
raulbonell.tumbl= r.com - collective.= com




--
Petri Lahti= nen


--e89a8f923a9c362ecc04b2f2c5ec-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 12:24:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D54AC183463; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:24:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=NWMVmYDTGp4QCTN8VqWv/0VmKDH0k8R2XjB/Mkgzop4=; b=XltMNsXRdZrjmzaTsNxJiZxEp81/mpd+oLRf4P74QSfjJf3soi/n7KbIbT4ozeE3Np LJCkwI49enp6nAAEmfdUIev2rwedKS8QrVChgeRnpBfmUTUhVc/F3y5wC4YbZZgpK0G+ jUFTUlvh16yO2p/xg3JaGzv4VlyW52hGiPlPE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4ED23283.8090206@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 14:24:30 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Ritchie Blackmore looping From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151774114858b12104b2f2d1a9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:24:31 +0000 (UTC) --00151774114858b12104b2f2d1a9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 "helped me in a great way to understand the mechanics of the STrat that can be tamed to music." I just cracked - reading between the lines something about Strat's playability... :-D 2011/11/28 Art Simon > Awesome clip Rick, the playing there is just jaw dropping. Hadn't > heard of Tal Wikenfeld! > > On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 4:52 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Art Simon wrote: > >> > >> Loved that Akkerman song when it came out in 1977, and I still do. Great > >> groove, great guitar. The live album at the Montreux Jazz festival > around > >> that time is excellent as well. > > > > There is a moment at 1:30 where Akkerman does a very hip harmonic > > thing.........and the bass player just > > bursts out into a grin at how clever and unusual his phrasing is. > > > > There are a few moments like this that I've seen (or experienced) where a > > musician is so into what > > their compatriots are playing that they 'lose it'. > > > > I think , particularly, of Jeff Beck's bassist, Tal Wikenfeld, > losing > > it when Vinnie Coliauta plays a particularly > > hip fill in "Since We've Ended as Lovers" (at 0:34 in this vid clip, > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejgqyEviSyk) > > > > or when I saw the sax player in Brian Blade's Fellowship band start to > cry > > in the middle of the > > aching beauty of his fellow sax players solo at a recent phenomenal > Kuumbwa > > Jazz Center show I saw. > > > > > > This is when music really hits the highest of peaks and when I feel proud > > that we've all chosen > > this particular path in the world. > > > > Thanks for posting this. Akkerman is amazing and to think I only knew > of > > him, previously, > > from "Hocus Pocus" a particularly weird and funny moment from > prog/fusion > > history. > > > > Rick Walker > > > > > > > > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@gmail.com > > -- Petri Lahtinen --00151774114858b12104b2f2d1a9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "helped me in a
great way to understand the mechanics of the STrat that can be tamed
to music."

I just cracked - reading between the lines something= about Strat's playability... :-D

201= 1/11/28 Art Simon <simart@gmail.com>
Awesome clip Rick, the playing there is jus= t jaw dropping. Hadn't
heard of Tal Wikenfeld!

On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 4:52 AM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Art Simon wrote:
>>
>> Loved that Akkerman song when it came out in 1977, and I still do.= Great
>> groove, great guitar. The live album at the Montreux Jazz festival= around
>> that time is excellent as well.
>
> There is a moment at 1:30 where Akkerman does a very hip harmonic
> thing.........and the bass player just
> bursts out into a grin at how clever and unusual his phrasing is.
>
> There are a few moments like this that I've seen (or experienced) = where a
> musician is so into what
> their compatriots are playing that they 'lose it'.
>
> I think , =A0particularly, =A0 of =A0Jeff Beck's bassist, Tal Wike= nfeld, =A0losing
> it when Vinnie Coliauta plays a particularly
> hip fill in "Since We've Ended as Lovers" =A0(at 0:34 in= this vid clip,
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DejgqyEviSyk)
>
> or when I saw the sax player in Brian Blade's Fellowship band star= t to cry
> in the middle of the
> aching beauty of his fellow sax players solo at a recent phenomenal Ku= umbwa
> Jazz Center show I saw.
>
>
> This is when music really hits the highest of peaks and when I feel pr= oud
> that we've all chosen
> this particular path in the world.
>
> Thanks for posting this. =A0 Akkerman is amazing and to think I only k= new of
> him, previously,
> from "Hocus Pocus" =A0a particularly weird and funny moment = from prog/fusion
> history.
>
> Rick Walker
>
>
>



--
Art Simon
simart@gmail.com




--
Petri Lah= tinen


--00151774114858b12104b2f2d1a9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 13:08:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98760183463; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:08:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.27.0.100910 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 08:08:37 -0500 Subject: Akai Head Rush From: Rod Abernethy To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Akai Head Rush Thread-Index: AcyvYSvkApamp2HOOECD8aie/RgPvQ== In-Reply-To: Disposition-Notification-To: rod@rodabernethy.com Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3405485321_5950964" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:08:42 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3405485321_5950964 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Any one out there have a Head Rush? I=B9d like to know if you output the loo= p by itself through one of the =B3Head=B2 outputs. Thanks, Rod On 11/28/11 10:05 AM, "Simeon Harris" wrote= : > well the akai headrush is pretty affordable and doubles up as a pretty ni= ce > tape delay for when you're not looping. the only drawback is the somewhat > limited loop time >=20 > sim >=20 > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Rod Abernethy wro= te: >> Hi Rick, >>=20 >> The LP-1 looks incredible, but it=B9s way beyond my price range. =A0My >> frustration is coming from the more simple looper-pedals that don=B9t have= a >> =B3loop only=B2 out jack...it seems like a very simple concept. =A0 >>=20 >=20 --B_3405485321_5950964 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Akai Head Rush Any one out there have a He= ad Rush?  I’d like to know if you output the loop by itself throu= gh one of the “Head” outputs.

Thanks,
Rod


On 11/28/11 10:05 AM, "Simeon Harris" <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:

w= ell the akai headrush is pretty affordable and doubles up as a pretty nice t= ape delay for when you're not looping. the only drawback is the somewhat lim= ited loop time

sim

On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Rod Abernethy <rod@rodabernethy.com> wrote:
H= i Rick,

The LP-1 looks incredible, but it’s way beyond my price range. =A0My fr= ustration is coming from the more simple looper-pedals that don’t have= a “loop only” out jack...it seems like a very simple concept. =A0=

=
--B_3405485321_5950964-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 13:14:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C176183465; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:14:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=pCgUu6Gmui3PBZ/MpbZfvWlrJAatRVGHK2yY0JwNT9Y=; b=gID558gNOuOW6jIbi4jumcctGSTao2nHSna5h7zhPNNB3+ffD/MrZokcCNvdjhZ+07 x4NLwR9G/dEDPBGw2GOIF2GerEs0/zvv3ciX/S/KStxvu0nEkL0Js0ff2wxPhalzy+RN QPy2vGeBhg7BXtcXtF5cOz+fUWcnpGmIT3Y40= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4ED23283.8090206@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 14:09:00 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Ritchie Blackmore looping From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:14:06 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Petri Lahtinen wrote: > "helped me in a > great way to understand the mechanics of the STrat that can be tamed > to music." > > I just cracked - reading between the lines something about Strat's > playability... :-D Yes, it's funny that such a wobbly mechanical design still gives the coolest sound ;-)) And it doesn't look pretty neither, as most other musical instruments do. But the sound is incredible... Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 13:15:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 791E9183463; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:15:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+Szw5z2pQIM5lbS9ip1KY0POdaRlI+r8Z6YKskPpPeY=; b=pAXIWNP/jDyNlQM83OPaLZ8okpL443SseU6gEbk++bC3NkP2M8S6xnWF7dfZzOImoO 3tKj/E0wiJ2Qrtk3uUFHs7ZLstww6UqpNpGswpnIOxrNCVuX5SPpU57ZNf0oOdFm1Ja0 77js+NlT3v9Iu2UzEJq4Rub98UEZjJQJ8/kB0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:15:41 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Akai Head Rush From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:15:42 +0000 (UTC) i used to own one. if you look at the pic, you can see it has a mix output for dry and loop, but if you use the head 1 output and the mix output, then you dry from mix and the loop from head 1. here's the manual - http://www.akaipro.com/contentmgr/showdetails.php/id/15= 08 On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Rod Abernethy wrote= : > Any one out there have a Head Rush? =A0I=92d like to know if you output t= he loop > by itself through one of the =93Head=94 outputs. > > Thanks, > Rod > > > On 11/28/11 10:05 AM, "Simeon Harris" wro= te: > > well the akai headrush is pretty affordable and doubles up as a pretty ni= ce > tape delay for when you're not looping. the only drawback is the somewhat > limited loop time > > sim > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Rod Abernethy wro= te: > > Hi Rick, > > The LP-1 looks incredible, but it=92s way beyond my price range. =A0My > frustration is coming from the more simple looper-pedals that don=92t hav= e a > =93loop only=94 out jack...it seems like a very simple concept. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 13:18:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C41C4183464; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:18:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: Ninjamming with Bidule Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 14:18:11 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcyvYoHP39P0iPVwT9ads+1fGI9sEg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:18:15 +0000 (UTC) is there a way to ninjam using Bidule on the same Windows machine? -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 13:19:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95519183466; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:19:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.27.0.100910 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 08:19:25 -0500 Subject: Re: Akai Head Rush From: Rod Abernethy To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Akai Head Rush Thread-Index: AcyvYq4heKkygAOhhkWAVNFIwjEHag== In-Reply-To: Disposition-Notification-To: rod@rodabernethy.com Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3405485966_5995232" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:19:27 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3405485966_5995232 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Simon! =20 -Rod On 11/30/11 8:15 AM, "Simeon Harris" wrote: > i used to own one. if you look at the pic, you can see it has a mix > output for dry and loop, but if you use the head 1 output and the mix > output, then you dry from mix and the loop from head 1. >=20 > here's the manual - http://www.akaipro.com/contentmgr/showdetails.php/id/= 1508 >=20 > On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Rod Abernethy wro= te: >> > Any one out there have a Head Rush? =A0I=B9d like to know if you output th= e >> loop >> > by itself through one of the =B3Head=B2 outputs. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Rod >> > >> > >> > On 11/28/11 10:05 AM, "Simeon Harris" >> wrote: >> > >> > well the akai headrush is pretty affordable and doubles up as a pretty= nice >> > tape delay for when you're not looping. the only drawback is the somew= hat >> > limited loop time >> > >> > sim >> > >> > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Rod Abernethy >> wrote: >> > >> > Hi Rick, >> > >> > The LP-1 looks incredible, but it=B9s way beyond my price range. =A0My >> > frustration is coming from the more simple looper-pedals that don=B9t ha= ve a >> > =B3loop only=B2 out jack...it seems like a very simple concept. >> > >> > --B_3405485966_5995232 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Akai Head Rush Thanks Simon!  
-Rod

On 11/30/11 8:15 AM, "Simeon Harris" <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:

i= used to own one. if you look at the pic, you can see it has a mix
output for dry and loop, but if you use the head 1 output and the mix
output, then you dry from mix and the loop from head 1.

here's the manual - http://www.akaipro.com/contentmgr/showdetails.php/id/1508
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Rod Abernethy <rod@rodabernethy.com> wrote:
> Any one out there have a Head Rush? =A0I’d like to know if you out= put the loop
> by itself through one of the “Head” outputs.
>
> Thanks,
> Rod
>
>
> On 11/28/11 10:05 AM, "Simeon Harris" <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> well the akai headrush is pretty affordable and doubles up as a pretty= nice
> tape delay for when you're not looping. the only drawback is the somew= hat
> limited loop time
>
> sim
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Rod Abernethy <rod@rodabernethy.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Rick,
>
> The LP-1 looks incredible, but it’s way beyond my price range. =A0= My
> frustration is coming from the more simple looper-pedals that don̵= 7;t have a
> “loop only” out jack...it seems like a very simple concept= .
>
>
--B_3405485966_5995232-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 13:26:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72D24183464; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:26:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ndANkL/kiEm6/yE+iXabZ8VT97F9p7EUjZs0FG5YKyk=; b=DVpzaE06bAWdvbRgSVX1caeGuYa3WtUAcXUrSkMabLqLorR3dzEP4lPiu1GB0oyf6X Ppxkj+dro3MfEws/IOX4pABYyqNURPOvdDIqQW9AzJrLrQcfLbnHDeJkyCpzL4WboQ0Z IG5jneAp70N9xH5umibwtVSYr8n6H1PeCMHZU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <8331074376379682107@unknownmsgid> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 14:26:27 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: GR-55 tip From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:26:28 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Louie Angulo wrote: > i read is that with the GR-55 is not very good at > using it as an interface to trigger software soft synths,if u try this > features would you let us know? I use that all the time and think it is good enough. Not for parroting Jan Hammer synth solos but for what I do; layering something that doesn't play with attack behind the magnetic pickup output sound. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 14:40:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FE1E183462; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 14:40:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=xjFYVD+TmnEm8DO+YaTy3SZIKGYV9Gr+xVcTNoSW47g=; b=HjslSeKCK9ZivVwU4tJl/AW+yLwAqCcuBMkzvwfoQYaGDZyu9YO3PIIdtHHgKPAue6 3OtL+qI5OyQ3vIVJxUzX0hIRVRyA5mLOoq2gQPIbAYRthTpKFXnR6FTmWvjPHl1OYYDm nQ9h+sdFvKO6hhjOeB4jsMIKOA3+ot1aTQVlM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: expertsleepers@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 14:40:51 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: m6HgxX4K0E1h7WwggbekgYNnZWY Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ninjamming with Bidule From: Os To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 14:40:53 +0000 (UTC) you'd want something like this (Mac only, sorry): http://expert-sleepers.co.uk/ninjamplugin.html Maybe I should do a VST version of that one day. os. On 30 November 2011 13:18, Michael Peters wrote: > is there a way to ninjam using Bidule on the same Windows machine? =A0-Mi= chael > --=20 os@collective.co.uk http://twitter.com/expertsleepers http://www.darkroomtheband.net/ http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 14:47:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23DB9183462; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 14:47:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 247543.39362.bm@omp1039.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1322664436; bh=AJdVW/dMyNTT2AyaTPCiuyogWyB/3iXFlIozijzhdsA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=o9KG5Piy9L4Kb2axiMLKzjca2WKFfUYWQquV2DUHWhX6CnCTe4uboD79yu2dxHhVfhm+lUn0jO2i5E7kITVPfRwovFR043KZaYvf3w00DIUqWfMIVC2RQnchwEMQXN7Dmu47veNvkEuIMd/r/tnBDOfri9I/B5CsGbRyWFZBFUA= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=d3hWYi2FZwd2owAVXdokVKCfdjtTErvjGsLnXtIVeCVSUXHDVNyc0HSPXXZ/mNe6Zvf9bc2P5+ibx2z0E7lpcXaBE93gfxF6t5sbt0ArOhOl4lroRWpGSncHt1QHRFLMA4kgHsjRymGikCm36l7HvGxQlcVmbrXcdtjMxAZlQm8=; X-YMail-OSG: 3yYQk40VM1k6WB_TTwkQzdo700MfftAykxUcoJPyTxTFPa7 7Y608e2KXm4RMk0cdA6Xz8woOhEP5dbXMJQwaT88lr5BBeGeHnP5TZ8Tfkn4 OA8RJs.84AITOGJn_XIuSm6s3JbqOBLXz_6Rq1hsIL8wHgKKcyFZHLBq8fkz YBTo5IvQOlLNXHflAPFErN_KF.wbt5LvbRUCaB7tOZZV_oNB9HRAqWDglcIa kNWScpznx5Re0sGcwmUbI3pnH6SH4KXLIadFkKDoDVHah3xFqaCLLN9c2Qkl DIRMuaFoUENX2r4zk5hrSzLZac6keAP_RafbngROkqyOh_QNKUU5W7mzWZAJ OdUa8SMO8wc5Zt_rptlPmcMozrNxvhi5w8hhPoWULdKk7_NH3BKVV4iSNW9_ ozS.c9bjvMhPhkDZLJJ_KaiGgt5L6si6vzYwibB6GHMPB8H5mkv9I3pRUsSJ TmLMRpcFfIv1GNM6846wwczoAnHB4xjG2kDbDJpqAjMhhRmzT9eRDy2ltYQ5 b6MC5SA97m.vM61DDUqIbol_xxO0Dy3JpoP3LVTsmhvLbjWzqbn1iKqUlKF6 KABhxHGkkWU_1prlGh5gb6hcsjyTAIKUP2hE0VnO_n16bsipTU5w53ACDSXe VY6YOGcND6isBQOTJUDOkA0Iab8C2er_E9HtXIZd6jjrKlLjfyTIFHgw2g9X a4YiR5Fc7pPC8bV8QaZ1EXJtvBGLT67u94kl86hpSBVJ1Q4bMA2KPnUwH1vR tZkmrWUDIUC3qmuLtRXZXLnfFiQ2PvcDGEhJND3LvGsuE.2rX X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 References: <4ED56448.3060009@cruzio.com> <05A8218A-BFC6-47D7-A292-8C4715F7FB53@glasswing.com> Message-ID: <1322664436.1727.YahooMailNeo@web36707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 06:47:16 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Reply-To: Paul Richards Subject: Re: Kawaii K1R To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <05A8218A-BFC6-47D7-A292-8C4715F7FB53@glasswing.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-2114655128-1756874091-1322664436=:1727" Resent-Message-ID: <9Ngz9D.A.kLF.2Hk1OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 14:47:18 +0000 (UTC) ---2114655128-1756874091-1322664436=:1727 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How did I miss the beginning of the Kawai thread? I had one of those once. = For me, it had a few really nice, "breathy" patches (worth keeping the unit= for that alone). I still own a Kawai K5m and a K3m. Both are very nice-sou= nding synth modules. Too bad the display on the K5m eventually gets glitchy= (the backlight). =0A=A0=0ARegards, Paul=0A=0AFrom: richard sales =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Tuesday, = November 29, 2011 6:21 PM=0ASubject: Kawaii K1R=0A=0A=0ARick (continuing th= e Kawaii K1R conversation) =0A=0Ahttp://www.museresearch.com/products/recep= tor.php=0A=0ASorry I couldn't remember this. =A0I'm uploading a gig of musi= c via YouSendIt so my connection is very pokey right now. =A0But this looks= like what I would do. =A0Expensive I guess but looks rugged and quite capa= ble. =A0Either this or take a laptop with Kontakt player or something in it= . =A0Otherwise you're buying old cranky equipment that will soon need finan= cial love. =A0=0A=0AFor ex, I'm about to spend what I estimate will be arou= nd a grand on repairing etc my old Jupiter 8 and GR300. =A0Ouch! =A0But I l= ove them so much!=0A=0AR=0A=0A=0Arichard sales=0Awww.glasswing.com=0Awww.ri= chardsales.com=0Awww.hayleysales.com=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A= On Nov 29, 2011, at 3:01 PM, Rick Walker wrote:=0A=0AOn 7/22/64 11:59 AM, P= er Boysen wrote: =0A>FYI:=0DRick Walker and Michael Peters, of this list, h= ave bought The Harmonic=0DCapo which may give you a similar overtone effect= for an ordinary=0Dguitar:The first video on this page is me recording for = the first time with my Harmonic Capo =0A>on a Fretless Stratocaster (with U= V active daylgo pink strings, I might add...lol).=0A>=0A>http://www.youtube= .com/looppool=0A>=0A>I also was using the 1st prototype of the Looperlative= LP-2 Mini Looper in this recording.=0A>=0A>I love playing things for the f= irst time, sometimes.=0A>=0A>How the capo works is that you place it on the= 12 fret (or on any barre chord harmonics point) =0A>and place the rubber s= toppers so that they just barely touch the strings so that the default =0A>= sound of the instrument (unfretted) are the barre octave harmonics.=0A>=0A>= What is so hip about this set up is that if you fret the strings before the= capo,=A0 it depresses them =0A>so that the rubber stoppers are no longer t= ouching the strings.=0A>=0A>This allows one to solo with a normal guitar so= und but the instrument always defaults to the =0A>12th fret harmonics.=0A>= =0A>Because of this,=A0 it sounds wonderful with typical open tunings, but = I find it even more versatile =0A>to tune the guitar to a 6 string scale (o= f one's choosing) so you always have finger picking =0A>access to harmonic = melodies.=0A>=0A>that's what I did on this track.=0A>Another technical note= are two effects that I had added to the LP-2......quadruple and quarter sp= eed =0A>and one I call 'random retrigger'=A0=A0 which takes the loop to ran= dom points whenever one retriggers =0A>the unit.=A0=A0=A0=A0 Playing in a f= ixed scale as I am,=A0 I am always getting some scalar pitch information = =0A>even though I may have more experimental sounding timbres coming from t= he guitar.=0A>=0A>I'm not really much of a guitarist but it make the instru= ment lie somewhere between a guitar =0A>and a zither/harp paradigm.=0A>=0A>= I love it but love my current tuning so much that I'm afraid to change it..= ....more experiments to come.=0A>=0A>=0A> ---2114655128-1756874091-1322664436=:1727 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
How did I miss the beginning of the Kawai= thread? I had one of those once. For me, it had a few really nice, "breath= y" patches (worth keeping the unit for that alone). I still own a Kawai K5m= and a K3m. Both are very nice-sounding synth modules. Too bad the display = on the K5m eventually gets glitchy (the backlight).
 
Regards, Paul

From:= richard sales <richard@glasswing.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com <= BR>Sent: Tuesday, November = 29, 2011 6:21 PM
Subject: Kawaii K1R

Rick (continuing the Kawaii K1R conversation)

http://www.museresearch.com/products/receptor.php

Sorry I couldn't remember this.  I'm uploading a gig of music via= YouSendIt so my connection is very pokey right now.  But this looks l= ike what I would do.  Expensive I guess but looks rugged and quite cap= able.  Either this or take a laptop with Kontakt player or something i= n it.  Otherwise you're buying old cranky equipment that will soon nee= d financial love.  

For ex, I'm about to spend what I estimate will be around a grand on r= epairing etc my old Jupiter 8 and GR300.  Ouch!  But I love them = so much!

R


On Nov 29, 2011, at 3:01 PM, Rick Walker wrote:

On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Per Boysen wrote:=20 
FYI:
Rick Walker and Michael Peters, of this list, have bought The Harmonic
Capo which may give you a similar overtone effect for an ordinary
guitar:
The first video on this page is m= e recording for the first time with my Harmonic Capo
on a Fretless Stra= tocaster (with UV active daylgo pink strings, I might add...lol).

ht= tp://www.youtube.com/looppool

I also was using the 1st prototype of = the Looperlative LP-2 Mini Looper in this recording.

I love playing = things for the first time, sometimes.

How the capo works is that you= place it on the 12 fret (or on any barre chord harmonics point)
and pl= ace the rubber stoppers so that they just barely touch the strings so that = the default
sound of the instrument (unfretted) are the barre octave ha= rmonics.

What is so hip about this set up is that if you fret the st= rings before the capo,  it depresses them
so that the rubber stopp= ers are no longer touching the strings.

This allows one to solo with= a normal guitar sound but the instrument always defaults to the
12th fret harmonics.

Because of this,  it sounds wonderful= with typical open tunings, but I find it even more versatile
to tune t= he guitar to a 6 string scale (of one's choosing) so you always have finger= picking
access to harmonic melodies.

that's what I did on this = track.
Another technical note are two effects that I had added to the LP= -2......quadruple and quarter speed
and one I call 'random retrigger'&n= bsp;  which takes the loop to random points whenever one retriggers the unit.     Playing in a fixed scale as I am, = I am always getting some scalar pitch information
even though I may ha= ve more experimental sounding timbres coming from the guitar.

I'm no= t really much of a guitarist but it make the instrument lie somewhere betwe= en a guitar
and a zither/harp paradigm.

I love it but love my cu= rrent tuning so much that I'm afraid to change it......more experiments to come.



=


---2114655128-1756874091-1322664436=:1727-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 14:52:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13A4018345D; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 14:52:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=yIQOLQ1bGiX2aQvcq1MoLk6J6X+EBQVDrByCDc37OAU=; b=rwe8bkHkzBH6CrFsg0HNr3nKRPAh5cHP1Xg9w3B7RymDgJhc9/WvziCZSLXG2op6qF X+21yuAcqA5owDP0TPrWBGD8taOVjEWgdlhvv9oEot+KdrWwriWT8HddX9YDbYQLJkkd xiMJxlm9UXtZEVon7XiXDvmEhAUZJ9pwuitbQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 09:52:58 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ninjamming with Bidule From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec531463742d74e04b2f4e4d0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 14:52:59 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec531463742d74e04b2f4e4d0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Bidule has a vst that that can be hosted by Reaper. Reaper has it's own Reaninjam plug in. Never tried that myself as I am a hardware guy and just feed Reaper a send off of my mixer. http://www.reaper.fm/ otherwise perhaps Virtual Audio cables could connect Bidule and the Ninjam client?? Jeff On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:18 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > is there a way to ninjam using Bidule on the same Windows machine? > -Michael > > --bcaec531463742d74e04b2f4e4d0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bidule has a vst that that can be hosted by Reaper. Reaper has it's own= Reaninjam plug in. Never tried that myself as I am a hardware guy and just= feed Reaper a send off of my mixer. http= ://www.reaper.fm/ otherwise perhaps Virtual Audio cables could connect = Bidule and the Ninjam client??

Jeff

On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:18 AM,= Michael Peters <mp@m= peters.de> wrote:
is there a way to ninjam using Bidule on the same Windows machine? =A0-Mich= ael


--bcaec531463742d74e04b2f4e4d0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 15:55:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2350A183473; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 15:55:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <1D7F88C8-345D-4497-B40D-B6CAEF1DFC1F@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Roland GR55 - First Impressions review Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 07:55:05 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 15:55:11 +0000 (UTC) The GR33 has a fixed non programmable arpeggiator what they give you is what you get. as far as I know the GR30 was the only roland guit- synth to have a programmable arp. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 16:23:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D6A7183463; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 16:23:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=rpIFDypElMOdKAYSWuctFxMK/9WBEWXDjHzHQjuQZek=; b=MbeFPyTaoFdHaAj9QyNZJjcU22jFRd2HUJ7Lw3hLj3k/HOCkjei8t5mIZcomaS/Wm5 i4RhldbX7NujAkWIGG4iRaFmcrBuu5e+A4TexeClTa3XmfX25DTZ0/isy/hGrKYSTe0X o8jcQKDlSY19gU8ATbucvdXoXw03Pt0JEH+ik= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <1D7F88C8-345D-4497-B40D-B6CAEF1DFC1F@baymoon.com> References: <1D7F88C8-345D-4497-B40D-B6CAEF1DFC1F@baymoon.com> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 17:22:59 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: gGkrf5CF_UiHZgEiJ-2iZygY4nQ Message-ID: Subject: Re: Roland GR55 - First Impressions review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3040eacaae249d04b2f627aa Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 16:23:25 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3040eacaae249d04b2f627aa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:55 PM, William Walker wrote: > The GR33 has a fixed non programmable arpeggiator what they give you is > what you get. as far as I know the GR30 was the only roland guit-synth to > have a programmable arp. > Bill > > Hmm... still interesting... a friend has a pretty unused 33, wonder what he wants for it? then Id have to install a third Hex pickup... I d7led the manual now, it says there are 50 preset arp paterns.. I dont know Bill isnt that probably gonna work? For me I find that theres SO much variation just in how many strings you play before you hit the hold pedal or how you add srings to the arp, that Im not event that aware of ..."the pattern". I spend alot of time in the past programing arp patterns on the 30, but after a bit I stopped bothering. Now I just start a new patch from one with a Arp pattern I lke and save it somewhere else... If I had 50 to choose from, Im sure I would much rather step through them finding a nice one, than laboriously transfering one from another patch, like you have to with the 30... You cant easily audition the patterns WITH the sound you are gonna use. -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf3040eacaae249d04b2f627aa Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:55 PM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> = wrote:
The GR33 has a fixed non programmable arpeggiator what they give you is wha= t you get. as far as I know the GR30 was the only roland guit-synth to have= a programmable arp.
=A0Bill

Hmm... still interesting... a friend has a pretty unused= 33, wonder what he wants for it?
then Id have to install a third Hex pickup...
I d7led the manual now, it says there are 50 preset arp paterns.. I dont know Bill isnt that probably gonna work? For me I find that theres SO=20 much variation just in how many strings you play before you hit the hold pedal or how you add srings to the arp, that Im not event that aware of ..."the pattern". I spend alot of time in the past programing ar= p=20 patterns on the 30, but after a bit I stopped bothering. Now I just=20 start a new patch from one with a Arp pattern I lke and save it=20 somewhere else... If I had 50 to choose from, Im sure I would much=20 rather step through them finding a nice one, than laboriously=20 transfering one from another patch, like you have to with the 30... You=20 cant easily audition the patterns WITH the sound you are gonna use.


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Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
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--20cf3040eacaae249d04b2f627aa-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 16:43:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88719183464; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 16:43:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=epJAWcF/QYr1ADb7APDcqyJ1j97dIdEx/SG4ckt3dMU=; b=kr9P7BedyOOHXi5DLyBz4dqEs3sDhqT9GB++SGn4Xzm+12EnSVgiJKx0RkVnd7Yveu 9ZSN1Gsb4k5DSr7LpLzIc30GDQ7wtAHBIjdTsu+1/U8CEC6djpd69kczq+xlCAIvqQYy rcopTtTAfyGNbM+T51luEu2p5/ixtufo46/+o= MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mike Fugazzi Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 10:42:56 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Roland Synths (GR20, 33, and 55) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e819ecc581e04b2f66ec3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 16:43:18 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e819ecc581e04b2f66ec3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I am late to this party. In fact, I deleted most the GR55 emails not knowing what it was. Well, I just checked the synths out....I am in love! I use a M13 for effects, but have found that the synths are glitch with harmonica. Single notes are usually ok, but if I play ANY extra sounds/chords, it is glitchy. Anyways, I would love some of the sounds I've heard on YouTube (assuming they work with chords and harmonica). Assuming it would work with harmonica and my vocalizations, it seems worth checking out. Any thoughts on the GR-20? I am most intrigued by the bass, organ, piano...I am confused by the pick-up part. I am also interested in any other general info that might be helpful. I've been wanting something like this to use with harp forever. I've gotten a good organ effect, but the ability to use the harmonica to sound like another instrument would open up huge doors for me. Thanks! ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas --90e6ba6e819ecc581e04b2f66ec3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am late to this party.=A0 In fact, I deleted most the GR55 emails not kno= wing what it was.=A0 Well, I just checked the synths out....I am in love!= =A0 I use a M13 for effects, but have found that the synths are glitch with= harmonica.=A0 Single notes are usually ok, but if I play ANY extra sounds/= chords, it is glitchy.

Anyways, I would love some of the sounds I've heard on YouTube (ass= uming they work with chords and harmonica).=A0 Assuming it would work with = harmonica and my vocalizations, it seems worth checking out.=A0 Any thought= s on the GR-20?=A0 I am most intrigued by the bass, organ, piano...I am con= fused by the pick-up part.=A0 I am also interested in any other general inf= o that might be helpful.

I've been wanting something like this to use with harp forever.=A0 = I've gotten a good organ effect, but the ability to use the harmonica t= o sound like another instrument would open up huge doors for me.=A0
Thanks!
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--90e6ba6e819ecc581e04b2f66ec3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 16:47:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E424183463; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 16:47:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=X0PvmgJRhgulsk45656hdOcHnc0oUv5yj3IZwR/IA0M=; b=gBPbLR/gSbeQFjEeALJ3zwswdqPqbqQZ3E13pq366khmxmJCkOIJy9yAnOXWLornJ3 vSwlMGYfty7X6z0iIx4B4yH0DpgtVhLua+PLMvx23FV7L8W7gtSsF9C7atgiH0lE/5yf BSr9HRJN5HNcIMA0MQJ1xa4sFkg9UOt7azv+c= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <1D7F88C8-345D-4497-B40D-B6CAEF1DFC1F@baymoon.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 17:47:09 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Roland GR55 - First Impressions review From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 16:47:10 +0000 (UTC) > On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:55 PM, William Walker > wrote: >> >> The GR33 has a fixed non programmable arpeggiator what they give you is >> what you get. as far as I know the GR30 was the only roland guit-synth t= o >> have a programmable arp. >> =C2=A0Bill >> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 5:22 PM, mark francombe wr= ote: > Hmm... still interesting... a friend has a pretty unused 33, wonder what = he > wants for it? > then Id have to install a third Hex pickup... > I d7led the manual now, it says there are 50 preset arp paterns.. I dont > know Bill isnt that probably gonna work? For me I find that theres SO muc= h > variation just in how many strings you play before you hit the hold pedal= or > how you add srings to the arp, that Im not event that aware of ..."the > pattern". I spend alot of time in the past programing arp patterns on the > 30, but after a bit I stopped bothering. Now I just start a new patch fro= m > one with a Arp pattern I lke and save it somewhere else... If I had 50 to > choose from, Im sure I would much rather step through them finding a nice > one, than laboriously transfering one from another patch, like you have t= o > with the 30... You cant easily audition the patterns WITH the sound you a= re > gonna use. I'm like Mark here. I never think about the arp patterns, just play the arpeggiator like a part of the (extended) instrument. But hey - arpeggiation is not timing critical due to MIDI triggering so you might as well put an arp further down the line! If hosting a softsynth in Live there already are good apreggiators built-in. I prefer Alchemy that has its own arp as part of the synth, so swapping synth patches bring up new patterns for the arp. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 16:50:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91363183463; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 16:50:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xL0LBgu5KsrwAiChkEXawcYBftOolbCuBVNSyEcHk90=; b=COcCmj2JkPzWcyiObVeH9AMScivAs0RDBi7swUYCAJWtCNb7uLmljSYrtiip+oMhWA D2ujTP/Zm/evPJhhxB9MgGHNhvzXE8pjD+ESoDaPiKBIitkVhMeaf+Buh8nMQlZSU9Gy ZZ6T6hD3T/CmM5RUKYc3p3LpU2AUPqLGWU1zc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 16:50:53 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Roland Synths (GR20, 33, and 55) From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <6Z-9kC.A.IbH.u7l1OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 16:50:54 +0000 (UTC) the roland gi-20 has an audio input on the front, so you could run vocals or harmonica into it and get midi out to run into a synth, but i'm not sure that what you'd get via midi would be particularly usable. anybody tried this? the roland gr synths are best driven by the gk pickups, which only work on guitar sim On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Mike Fugazzi wrote= : > Anyways, I would love some of the sounds I've heard on YouTube (assuming > they work with chords and harmonica).=A0 Assuming it would work with harm= onica > and my vocalizations, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 16:52:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17C97183465; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 16:52:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=A3b6OLeJg5wuA0Rs1kg89XW+VvqmCHriHRfTOR25icE=; b=BqeCDBl2FKGLGkPs+jIFmxEKd4aC3EkBCDXaugKu1hIXUN4U7aNFrscO5Gu95OI7T5 ej/ZkYJ68xrArQxtgcNN+iDmtMaVD7nP78PYRLkZAY4MLv34On2CZ2Nl6L8RVfitN33p WXBa7HxKVAR/0d30t5GlKQZVoWChCX5ZbgkoI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: Mike Fugazzi Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 10:52:04 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Roland Synths (GR20, 33, and 55) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1ffb872c8ae04b2f68fbd Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 16:52:25 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd1ffb872c8ae04b2f68fbd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 That sucks for me, lol. Any synths that would work with vocals/harp? I am not very familiar with using midi. Thanks! ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Simeon Harris < simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > the roland gi-20 has an audio input on the front, so you could run > vocals or harmonica into it and get midi out to run into a synth, but > i'm not sure that what you'd get via midi would be particularly > usable. anybody tried this? > > the roland gr synths are best driven by the gk pickups, which only > work on guitar > > sim > > On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Mike Fugazzi > wrote: > > > Anyways, I would love some of the sounds I've heard on YouTube (assuming > > they work with chords and harmonica). Assuming it would work with > harmonica > > and my vocalizations, > > --000e0cd1ffb872c8ae04b2f68fbd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That sucks for me, lol.=A0 Any synths that would work with vocals/harp?=A0 = I am not very familiar with using midi.=A0 Thanks!

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On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Simeon= Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
the roland gi-20 has an audio input on the front, so you could run
vocals or harmonica into it and get midi out to run into a synth, but
i'm not sure that what you'd get via midi would be particularly
usable. anybody tried this?

the roland gr synths are best driven by the gk pickups, which only
work on guitar

sim

On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Mike Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:

> Anyways, I would love some of the sounds I've heard on YouTube (as= suming
> they work with chords and harmonica).=A0 Assuming it would work with h= armonica
> and my vocalizations,


--000e0cd1ffb872c8ae04b2f68fbd-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 16:53:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5E90183465; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 16:53:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 703946466/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.188.216/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.188.216 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBABRe1k5V0rzY/2dsb2JhbAAMOK4JAQEBAwEyAQVABgsLGAkWDwkDAgECAUUZAwGIA7gpiAuDFQSaBoxh X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,597,1315177200"; d="scan'208";a="703946466" Message-ID: <4ED65F77.1000808@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 16:53:11 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Akai Head Rush References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 16:53:01 +0000 (UTC) Rod Abernethy wrote: > Any one out there have a Head Rush? no, tried it though > I’d like to know if you output the > loop by itself through one of the “Head” outputs. The manual says the extra outputs *only* work in Tape Echo Mode. It also says Output 1 works in delay mode, and says nothing about what happens in loop mode. I couldn't recommend it tho', poor sound and a number of disappointments. andy > > Thanks, > Rod > > > On 11/28/11 10:05 AM, "Simeon Harris" wrote: > > well the akai headrush is pretty affordable and doubles up as a > pretty nice tape delay for when you're not looping. the only > drawback is the somewhat limited loop time > > sim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 16:58:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BF87183475; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 16:58:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 697291702/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.188.216/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.188.216 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBABRg1k5V0rzY/2dsb2JhbAAMOK4JAQEBAwE4RgsLISUPAkYcAYgDuDGIC4MVBJoGjGE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,597,1315177200"; d="scan'208";a="697291702" Message-ID: <4ED660D7.90703@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 16:59:03 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Roland GR55 - First Impressions review References: <1D7F88C8-345D-4497-B40D-B6CAEF1DFC1F@baymoon.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7WMXKD.A.wwH.IDm1OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 16:58:48 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe wrote: > then Id have to install a third Hex pickup... surely there's some kind of splitter available? One Hex p/u to more than one fx unit. Sure I've heard of such a thing, but don't know if Roland made it. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 17:09:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0519E183466; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 17:09:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=F5Uqf1GOlOj3ln8QwRvVSTnxt0RN/tbEawayLA7D7yg=; b=FSOaPdU5ehGqgBVU/dp/ANyU5pnw4mgGwkCnW4an/40RaViTveVcaPLE4DotIJRn/w BwkWLYun8FjMTUylf9+kff2U+Rj7uCARZmF9u1cXNoYsCezMauK/QSIAeqsT/C6fYMIv QMu7fDyGdUz781Rt4F1SdC+vLiJfDLlSldfuQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4ED660D7.90703@tiscali.co.uk> References: <1D7F88C8-345D-4497-B40D-B6CAEF1DFC1F@baymoon.com> <4ED660D7.90703@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 09:09:48 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Roland GR55 - First Impressions review From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 17:09:50 +0000 (UTC) There are at least two by Roland, the US 20 (still available) that will split to two signals (with a bypass for one or the other if you only want to send to one source at a time), and the GP4 (also by Roland but not in production) which just takes the original signal and splits it to four outputs (all available at all times). They both show up on ebay pretty regularly and the US 20 is $200 or so new. K On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:59 AM, andy butler wrote= : > mark francombe wrote: > >> then Id have to install a third Hex pickup... > > surely there's some kind of splitter available? > > One Hex p/u to more than one fx unit. > > Sure I've heard of such a thing, but don't > know if Roland made it. > > andy > > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 17:16:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFDA5183479; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 17:16:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nSjFH734AVdBZjRj8LILRg2Ns1JRw1PpTdm53+yZ35k=; b=d5pfWZp+lQMPRJ9iHJ+B9a5RwTN/NdfEvtMqqNSuuDNpeILTuhjqXlDGLjT13SPliW wGgCJMZHo88Z+F9Ry+t+YLIFBZJZEubhDYrTfgouITfy9ZV8ct5qME+e6JRtRC3bvBUb 9/tgE4im52N+T/zolZdtxe8q0SV7s3lWdJEBA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4ED65F77.1000808@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4ED65F77.1000808@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 17:16:14 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Akai Head Rush From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <9oAFtC.A.6Q.fTm1OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 17:16:15 +0000 (UTC) yeah, you better check up on that. it's been a long time since i had one, so my memory may be fooling me On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:53 PM, andy butler wrote= : > > > Rod Abernethy wrote: >> >> Any one out there have a Head Rush? > > > no, tried it though > >> I=92d like to know if you output the loop by itself through one of the >> =93Head=94 outputs. > > > The manual says the extra outputs *only* work in Tape Echo Mode. > It also says Output 1 works in delay mode, > and says nothing about what happens in loop mode. > > I couldn't recommend it tho', poor sound and a number of disappointments. > > andy > > >> >> Thanks, >> Rod >> >> >> On 11/28/11 10:05 AM, "Simeon Harris" >> wrote: >> >> =A0 =A0well the akai headrush is pretty affordable and doubles up as a >> =A0 =A0pretty nice tape delay for when you're not looping. the only >> =A0 =A0drawback is the somewhat limited loop time >> >> =A0 =A0sim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 17:34:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6AC87183489; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 17:34:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Roland Synths (GR20, 33, and 55) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 09:34:10 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 17:34:17 +0000 (UTC) Well I really enjoyed programming my arpeggiator on the GR30, long past the point i tired of its skinny sound engine, when I auditioned the GR33 and found out they dumbed down the arpeggiator to non programability I was bummed. What I liked about a programable arp is i could create note sequences the average fixed arpeggiator wouldn't, for example: a pattern that sequences on a 16 beat arp grid in the following string order 6152435261524352 . or exploiting the GR30's polyphony By creating an arp that uses diads on each beat like this example using the following string pairs over the following 16 beat grid (65)(54)(43)(32)(21)(32)(43)(54)(65)(54)(43)(32)(21)(32)(43) (54), at some point I may pull my GR30 out and dust it off , I don't even have a GK pickup currently mounted on a guitar right now but all this talk has me thinking i should put one back on, then again I have felt very liberated in not using it for the last several years Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 18:29:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DD8318345A; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 18:29:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=/BgOwSYV8spJD/HprpIHA+fG8NJYaR6tkpagbCcOw30=; b=cSzOSG3RuzRcVBWYHHrVen0h8iO/rRaC22lG92T5Na3kr25zHV1gl3tkt82VMG5Yl5 BFvkZfq+KISbQHnGByTAXpKB7BcxYhxYhtrhBQy2d+gMhcWqh0g7s5dF/FgonUzKW28u gGig2a0V3G5VrkyjFLYOsZHeWEYOZ+39csovQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4ED660D7.90703@tiscali.co.uk> References: <1D7F88C8-345D-4497-B40D-B6CAEF1DFC1F@baymoon.com> <4ED660D7.90703@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 19:29:25 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: V_4K66dgcFF0et3-gxgc2MDwvFE Message-ID: Subject: Re: Roland GR55 - First Impressions review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5c2529aa23904b2f7eb59 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 18:29:47 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5c2529aa23904b2f7eb59 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 5:59 PM, andy butler wrote= : > mark francombe wrote: > > then Id have to install a third Hex pickup... >> > > surely there's some kind of splitter available? > > One Hex p/u to more than one fx unit. > > Sure I've heard of such a thing, but don't > know if Roland made it. > This is true Andy, I bought won once, but I like the extra control one has with having the 2 buttons and 1 knob PER synth on the guitar... So I sold it.. Plus if you have a spliter then everything is sounding from both synths the whole time, with vols for both at my fingertips I can mix and match. PLUS I have routed a stereo cable UP from the floor to a spare tone know, and have that plugged into the expression jack on the back of the GR30.. that way I can even blend further, generaly having the pedal configg'ed to tone mix (the 30 has 2 tones that can be er.. mixed..) Same as the 55 actually.. oh and the 33... Im loving tis idea... my guitar tech had a nighmare putting both a GK2B and a fernandez into the guitar, wonder what he would say if I turned up with 2 more gK3=B4s Im gonna do this..!! M > andy > > --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --001636c5c2529aa23904b2f7eb59 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 5:59 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wr= ote:
mark francombe wrote:

then Id have to install a third Hex pickup...

surely there's some kind of splitter available?

One Hex p/u to more than one fx unit.

Sure I've heard of such a thing, but don't
know if Roland made it.
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This is true Andy, I bought won once, bu= t I like the extra control one has with having the 2 buttons and 1 knob PER= synth on the guitar... So I sold it.. Plus if you have a spliter then ever= ything is sounding from both synths the whole time, with vols for both at m= y fingertips I can mix and match. PLUS I have routed a stereo cable UP from= the floor to a spare tone know, and have that plugged into the expression = jack on the back of the GR30.. that way I can even blend further, generaly = having the pedal configg'ed to tone mix (the 30 has 2 tones that can be= er.. mixed..) Same as the 55 actually.. oh and the 33...

Im loving tis idea... my guitar tech had a nighmare putting both a GK2B= and a fernandez into the guitar, wonder what he would say if I turned up w= ith 2 more gK3=B4s=A0 Im gonna do this..!!
=A0

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--001636c5c2529aa23904b2f7eb59-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 18:32:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E3C7183465; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 18:32:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=fSRmNcGRMPp0EEUTu25UlZYl+hAZo8PTjfTPP4RwMWY=; b=xxj9ST4EyV0CXp/TFTn6ORommS+4xGXGphvdAzPGgKNtmxmd1HUncI+LPTEOs+shEB fISIV/FunQblMuEjsFom70oeT5/U24KEimkM5c2WrBJnUnMO+er2jhfq3pZM3Y+2mjIk cb6qG48RR4mB/Gy7qwxfAKguL+jHUTUmHCP20= From: Matthias Grob Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-34-773303654 Subject: Re: Relaunching: RIP (and this time not) Steve Jobs - Dennis, your book is the bible to many! Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 16:31:27 -0200 In-Reply-To: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <4E9AA692.5020903@googlemail.com> <4E9AC563.2080807@googlemail.com> <1B4909DCEB034BEBB0D230C6A1048835@ELUK1> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 18:32:07 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-34-773303654 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii there are two books with this title: http://www.amazon.com/Elements-C-Programming-Style/dp/0070512787 and=20 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elements_of_Programming_Style_(book) I suspect you talk about the second written rather by K&P or where is this K&R coming from? On 17 Oct 2011, at 12:12, Tony K wrote: >=20 >=20 > On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Mark Hamburg = wrote: > On Oct 16, 2011, at 4:57 AM, Stephen Goodman wrote: >=20 > > Funny that, thanks Rainer. I still have my copies of K&R's book, = and "The Elements of C Programming Style", as well as my yellow UNIX C = reference. And I haven't programmed actively in over 20 years - but when = testing something involving C language, these books assist in telling = testing/programming folks more than "It died on line 7"... :) >=20 > K & R remains one of the best books on programming ever written. >=20 > Mark >=20 >=20 > My copy of K&R is dog-eared and coffee stained and has seen more use = than all of the other programming books I own combined. >=20 >=20 > --=20 > -=3D=3D-=3D-=3D-=20 > Tony --Apple-Mail-34-773303654 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii there = are two books with this title:=
and 
I suspect you talk about the second written rather by = K&P
or where is this K&R coming = from?

On 17 Oct 2011, at 12:12, Tony K = wrote:



On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at = 3:22 PM, Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com> = wrote:
On Oct 16, 2011, at 4:57 AM, Stephen Goodman = wrote:

> Funny that, thanks Rainer.  I still have my copies of = K&R's book, and "The Elements of C Programming Style", as well as my = yellow UNIX C reference. And I haven't programmed actively in over 20 = years - but when testing something involving C language, these books = assist in telling testing/programming folks more than "It died on line = 7"... :)

K & R remains one of the best books on programming ever = written.

Mark


My copy of K&R is dog-eared and coffee = stained and has seen more use than all of the other programming books I = own combined.


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= --Apple-Mail-34-773303654-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 18:41:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8E70183465; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 18:41:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=8AyQBWLUww4lRCw//VSE2Vb5hOrIV5j1MjdKsb3B8pg=; b=X9F6LKwdj1QIZHmrGLPzYfTyFVWIFnlKqeFC+RK/2aOR1XDM23I7NpQoalXG4gytRN g4zCFqZ5+daMmIgyDYA9+jVFZrKwvV3SZXWWG43fQ76dvVsCWSpmHN8X9W1hV6rJc5Bc wNtgA3nQCzVY6OiXu6XNhHqBARUWOiaGXQ+Ns= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 19:41:15 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Dl6cJLW1XOCxN0S8mLoKkZ1t1TY Message-ID: Subject: Re: Roland Synths (GR20, 33, and 55) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3040eacaebf11504b2f81527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 18:41:37 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3040eacaebf11504b2f81527 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 6:34 PM, William Walker wrote: > I have felt very liberated in not using it for the last several years There is a um.. "cluncky-ness" with playing with guitar synths, and yes I agree, when I occsionally lay down the OLP baritone modded monster, and pick up a "normal" guitar... its like coming out into the light on a matinee cinema showing, or.. unlocking the door to your house when youve been away on holiday for 3 weeks... BUT... Im not a good enough guitarist to get the subtlties of sounds and music out of a stock axe. I love the sound of a nice acoustic for example, or the sound of a tube amp just breaking up. But...I also like the sound of a million white mice nibbling xylophones, and the sound of steam trains crashing into cake, or the sound of frogs leaping into flymos... A guy came up to me after my last gig, and said I like the looping, but I dont like guitar synths, guitars shouldnt sound like orchestras... I said "GREAT! You can save money next time I play!" Like loopers, Guitar synths will always find a home in this house. -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf3040eacaebf11504b2f81527 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 6:34 PM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> = wrote:
I have felt very liberated in not using it for the last several years

There is a um.. "cluncky-ness" with playing with= guitar synths, and yes I agree, when I occsionally lay down the OLP barito= ne modded monster, and pick up a "normal" guitar... its like comi= ng out into the light on a matinee cinema showing, or.. unlocking the door = to your house when youve been away on holiday for 3 weeks...

BUT... Im not a good enough guitarist to get the subtlties of sounds an= d music out of a stock axe. I love the sound of a nice acoustic for example= , or the sound of a tube amp just breaking up. But...I also like the sound = of a million white mice nibbling xylophones, and the sound of steam trains = crashing into cake, or the sound of frogs leaping into flymos...

A guy came up to me after my last gig, and said I like the looping, but= I dont like guitar synths, guitars shouldnt sound like orchestras... I sai= d "GREAT! You can save money next time I play!"


Like loopers, Guitar synths will always find a home in this house.

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--20cf3040eacaebf11504b2f81527-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 18:52:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24014183463; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 18:52:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=tY1TiHSVghSdqQWqppFcWQuPJYoTtXteuaSaxb3wEp8=; b=gZhNqEskSivHtfPnufj9+Od9tOLGke/EJt26mqteHcsYosdM6THghVdbhaJUa886cH FXnSUEpDEjb8Uj17jRhL1DaTQlQVwKZmLUyrFmIvS9yNORSio1dDE3A0EEmz5+xQjT3E xMMx/tcE0dA7kecuCz40X8HRMYkRx/Xya3cUU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 18:52:47 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Roland Synths (GR20, 33, and 55) From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 18:52:47 +0000 (UTC) "frogs leaping into flymos" there's an album title, if ever i heard one! On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 6:41 PM, mark francombe wrote: > On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 6:34 PM, William Walker > wrote: >> >> I have felt very liberated in not using it for the last several years > > > There is a um.. "cluncky-ness" with playing with guitar synths, and yes I > agree, when I occsionally lay down the OLP baritone modded monster, and pick > up a "normal" guitar... its like coming out into the light on a matinee > cinema showing, or.. unlocking the door to your house when youve been away > on holiday for 3 weeks... > > BUT... Im not a good enough guitarist to get the subtlties of sounds and > music out of a stock axe. I love the sound of a nice acoustic for example, > or the sound of a tube amp just breaking up. But...I also like the sound of > a million white mice nibbling xylophones, and the sound of steam trains > crashing into cake, or the sound of frogs leaping into flymos... > > A guy came up to me after my last gig, and said I like the looping, but I > dont like guitar synths, guitars shouldnt sound like orchestras... I said > "GREAT! You can save money next time I play!" > > > Like loopers, Guitar synths will always find a home in this house. > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 18:54:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4983F183465; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 18:54:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=6OpZUqRAEK+VGJcvZKjTuCuY3ovcmXWgwFmuMYQnuSQ=; b=vZu8yWcdOEa6qgWRm2YH5EmqzkEiuZmOHgBEGU5NWdBxiZwxCCyZ9nxbT4DWRyv4yC ZIktsqTwD6HwKe7toZI7kcgitKyX706JcWnOrkbQ6Hr9wOuuhL+3rARx/dQIkZNTM6cZ Nqqw9gVaVzVp6tpKsnx1gjowtdSvD6LOrr7xE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4ED42171.4030307@cruzio.com> <4ED4E74A.3090603@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 10:54:16 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: free pedal plugins! From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f234dcb3f3ee304b2f843d8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 18:54:18 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f234dcb3f3ee304b2f843d8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cool Gareth, I'll check them out. A really nice free guitar amp simulation is NRR1 "is loosely based on a *Soldano X88R* guitar amp" I stumbled across that one on the Guitar Amp Modelling forum , On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:50 AM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > Not my work but these may be of use to some of you guys.. > > http://tonebytes.com/pedals/ > > Peace > > G > -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com --e89a8f234dcb3f3ee304b2f843d8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cool Gareth, I'll check them out.

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On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:50 AM, Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk> wrote:> Not my work but these may be of use to some of you guys..
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--e89a8f234dcb3f3ee304b2f843d8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 18:55:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2265183479; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 18:55:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=+syZa61wiO7ShbaAyaEzgMtfhyxFydvaTX0codAPsno=; b=rmtgSiCBnW+RqT3MwBoHi59vWFt/HFiLR8ruVKpAxbFH4+lo+5pMEhSWrGjNUw5MqP 4rZJx4X/0rZroVSLX6JTGo5cb0t94Jl+qJzh+6ORBCxQ7RdA8TWJH/hgc33fTOj/LrZq 4UaTFFeoS/2zq8DHkPsllhvgSxDsRTEkyZYPo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 19:55:06 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Roland Synths (GR20, 33, and 55) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <4Fco5B.A.STC.Lwn1OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 18:55:07 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Simeon Harris wrote: > "frogs leaping into flymos" LOL, Sim! "steam trains crashing into cake" ...wasn't bad either. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 19:02:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79289183463; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 19:02:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=KymdBMfje3kZFoaIkquZ7KtQ20Gm83+X3U8PkVPmXgw=; b=eR3O+5o0R1Nik+FCC5WAkaWIlOWKYQdLOX90DmPVx0T03qs5ohh/iFlEiVpnCP+WgM Z9jV0Dzt/D0pcmyx7LCbxlwZi/y3bE1yz1iL98kH+SnJ/Ose+JyM0fw1r8rXzgu35eC9 cZr79Kx0eeVdgxC8q++H3eme4AECvit+tBZiE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 19:02:19 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Roland Synths (GR20, 33, and 55) From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 19:02:20 +0000 (UTC) "steam trains crashing into cake" just makes me feel hungry On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Simeon Harris > wrote: >> "frogs leaping into flymos" > > LOL, Sim! > > "steam trains crashing into cake" > ...wasn't bad either. > > Per > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 19:09:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7880183465; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 19:09:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=wFaq8I9db4eKQ3wt6aomlRyPn0a2b89y6oxUhEV2Uww=; b=YoBywn7cHEaElFtqgiKpH/HuA6s0buS/90nrTZSNiLlJefJmDJ5OKOcuC1cm30SYLc vN18r2MbwCrJNWu8eWCD2nKhQkpXA5lS28kfYdV4wwqatYL0fgedoU2NlV2cQ8iBCqhu DDy7ib8WcPq/4scfc6LvnCZnSglomptzKlqE8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4E9AA692.5020903@googlemail.com> <4E9AC563.2080807@googlemail.com> <1B4909DCEB034BEBB0D230C6A1048835@ELUK1> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 14:09:06 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Relaunching: RIP (and this time not) Steve Jobs - Dennis, your book is the bible to many! From: Tony K To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93996c74519f604b2f878e8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 19:09:06 +0000 (UTC) --14dae93996c74519f604b2f878e8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Actually the one I was referring to is this: http://www.amazon.com/Programming-Language-2nd-Brian-Kernighan/dp/0131103628/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1322679201&sr=8-1 That was my C bible. On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: > there are two books with this title: > http://www.amazon.com/Elements-C-Programming-Style/dp/0070512787 > and > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elements_of_Programming_Style_(book) > I suspect you talk about the second written rather by K&P > or where is this K&R coming from? > > On 17 Oct 2011, at 12:12, Tony K wrote: > > > > On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > >> On Oct 16, 2011, at 4:57 AM, Stephen Goodman wrote: >> >> > Funny that, thanks Rainer. I still have my copies of K&R's book, and >> "The Elements of C Programming Style", as well as my yellow UNIX C >> reference. And I haven't programmed actively in over 20 years - but when >> testing something involving C language, these books assist in telling >> testing/programming folks more than "It died on line 7"... :) >> >> K & R remains one of the best books on programming ever written. >> >> Mark >> >> > My copy of K&R is dog-eared and coffee stained and has seen more use than > all of the other programming books I own combined. > > > -- > -==-=-=- > Tony > > > -- -==-=-=- Tony --14dae93996c74519f604b2f878e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually the one I was referring to is this:

http://www.amazon.com/Progr= amming-Language-2nd-Brian-Kernighan/dp/0131103628/ref=3Dsr_1_1?ie=3DUTF8&am= p;qid=3D1322679201&sr=3D8-1

That was my C bible.

On Wed, Nov 30, = 2011 at 1:31 PM, Matthias Grob <matilists@gmail.com> wrote:
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I suspect you t= alk about the second written rather by K&P
or where is this K&R coming from?

On 17 Oct 2011, at 12:12, Tony K wrote:


On Sun, Oct 1= 6, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com> wrote:
On Oct 16, 2011, at 4:57 AM, Stephen Goodman wrote:

> Funny that, thanks Rainer. =A0I still have my copies of K&R's = book, and "The Elements of C Programming Style", as well as my ye= llow UNIX C reference. And I haven't programmed actively in over 20 yea= rs - but when testing something involving C language, these books assist in= telling testing/programming folks more than "It died on line 7".= .. :)

K & R remains one of the best books on programming ever written.<= br>
Mark


My copy of K&R is dog-eared and coffee st= ained and has seen more use than all of the other programming books I own c= ombined.


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--14dae93996c74519f604b2f878e8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 19:22:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43A1E183465; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 19:22:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 660 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 19:22:30 UTC X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1322680286-0378c3111dd7c590001-hGRpYp X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: HDean@wcupa.edu X-Barracuda-Apparent-Source-IP: 144.26.0.94 X-ASG-Whitelist: Client From: "Dean, Hal" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: RE: Roland GR55 - First Impressions review Thread-Topic: Roland GR55 - First Impressions review X-ASG-Orig-Subj: RE: Roland GR55 - First Impressions review Thread-Index: AQHMr5OKoN+QLrLgFUS5sBMiNTMeS5XFyFfA Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 19:11:24 +0000 Message-ID: References: <4ED660D7.90703@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ED660D7.90703@tiscali.co.uk> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.28.73.115] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Barracuda-Connect: wcu-xch-10.wcupa.edu[144.26.0.94] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1322680286 X-Barracuda-Encrypted: AES128-SHA X-Barracuda-URL: http://SPAMCONTROL.WCUPA.EDU:80/cgi-mod/mark.cgi X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at WCUPA.EDU Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 19:22:30 +0000 (UTC) Bill Baxendale has stuff to check out for this. Hal Dean -----Original Message----- From: andy butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk]=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 11:59 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Roland GR55 - First Impressions review mark francombe wrote: > then Id have to install a third Hex pickup... surely there's some kind of splitter available? One Hex p/u to more than one fx unit. Sure I've heard of such a thing, but don't know if Roland made it. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 19:38:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B8DF183466; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 19:38:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=3yuRGZo4wfElV+V6WwW9gN4AW61gSqM75Ui14genIZA=; b=TYnbw1OBFAgK1dKmJ4cj/kA0CqgzFNMDu6e0JqeBAUx4VW2DOFiYRpnfjB6BsOIOak v0XpaSub02GTUuT4MvThtru+Pjp9F4nBvlS23QuzBJ985p3/pkEQQi5OGV3SpIJjBnKV Y/uYQYCfRjHuOC8qTL7a/MEreElqL1QAugWt4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <4ED660D7.90703@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 20:38:28 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: iwa1MGBJlFnKMUs-UIM9VcT6GwI Message-ID: Subject: Re: Roland GR55 - First Impressions review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf303f6aae9d5aa204b2f8e2d4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 19:38:51 +0000 (UTC) --20cf303f6aae9d5aa204b2f8e2d4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Dean, Hal wrote: > Bill Baxendale has stuff to check out for this. > Who he? -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf303f6aae9d5aa204b2f8e2d4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Dean, Hal <HDean@wcupa.edu> wrote:
Bill Baxendale has stuff to check out for this.

Who he?

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Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
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--20cf303f6aae9d5aa204b2f8e2d4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 19:44:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 019C8183466; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 19:44:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zboea0rySoRe8Ug4Yg2qayfNjC+QchpbrbqxrgN5hsA=; b=mz/pBzeBxHaN2uNDhepr3zfRIlqgN6ns19odh3a2mrJ9v/CttUp143kQjhfN7bo7Jm 0avsErWtpuBFCCjjJJxfPY54F7osoO6vUGgVgpuiPpv5Il1jqeKUsaH8WFUMWkP9eedD 2OuX0NyXZm23KQay2u8ulaLCWdHy41czNSeKU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4ED660D7.90703@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 11:44:27 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Roland GR55 - First Impressions review From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 19:44:28 +0000 (UTC) http://billbax.110mb.com/ Kevin On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 11:38 AM, mark francombe w= rote: > On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Dean, Hal wrote: >> >> Bill Baxendale has stuff to check out for this. > > Who he? > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 20:43:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B50DE18345F; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 20:43:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=zOOYMST3RLAlotmCrwNuvfyB8T/8/s4HOI1CiP9DHpU=; b=sI2jzBzF/+cftSwUFCmB6E5CkcCw9plxuCdrMHPvbb3SKYWpQ6F0Stzi37dI6+wYr+ 2iASiBxdj9SH3cMD4OtbmJdz0jX3+bSdMs+nIeEK0wxDSwIDP7toy5wPYHI4MV8PEjee HZbcubd2V559JUPkDnMqau9wHUOo3EldyvVEM= Message-ID: <75262FFAD6E649F7A90F152B0506157A@americas.hpqcorp.net> Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Recording Live Performances with Ableton Live Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:43:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_06EE_01CCAF66.0F5D9CE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: <4c8HO.A.uYE.6Vp1OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 20:43:38 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_06EE_01CCAF66.0F5D9CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm curious how many of you are using Live to record your live looping = performances. For some reason I am finding this a bit cumbersome. I am = used to my easy way of just recording my main output to a wav file in = MAX/MSP. Now I have this whole business of tracks, exporting, etc. The problem I'm having is that I am importing a wav drum sample, which I = loop in a live track, then and then I play my guitar and loop over that = drum loop. But when record it only records my guitar witihn the drum = loop segment over and over. I don't want to un-loop the drum sample, = because then I have to drag it out a fixed number of measures, which = defeats the purpose of improvisation. How do I work around this? Is = there a way to have the drum sample loop, but record the live out put of = me playing with it? ------=_NextPart_000_06EE_01CCAF66.0F5D9CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm curious how many of you are using = Live to=20 record your live looping performances.   For some reason I am = finding=20 this a bit cumbersome. I am used to my easy way of just recording my = main output=20 to a wav file in MAX/MSP.   Now I have this whole business of = tracks,=20 exporting, etc.
 
The problem I'm having is that I am = importing a wav=20 drum sample, which I loop in a live track, then and then I play my = guitar and=20 loop over that drum loop. But when record it only records my guitar = witihn the=20 drum loop segment over and over.  I don't want to un-loop the drum = sample,=20 because then I have to drag it out a fixed number of measures, which = defeats the=20 purpose of improvisation.  How do I work around this?  Is = there a way=20 to have the drum sample loop, but record the live out put of me playing = with=20 it?
 
------=_NextPart_000_06EE_01CCAF66.0F5D9CE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 21:09:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA65E183465; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:09:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=YYtikb2nM/Zh/50jhHOF6RVJ1Zc4zhSVyrsPl9fD7iw=; b=PMUra404/1eUYgKSffrEovQQ+2ss5vSeQeIRVn3Vq5x4AAM5Pf7RU3qH+iv1p1MGb3 H2/j83LSHONWCaiBC8BtWQyexAZz9OkgTczHNDgcRXlykKnlgmkHVFNAqj/BnKoascOc BlR7HhCRymeNcsFstXLjDWs6IdSFpz7B3d0ZM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4ED23283.8090206@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 23:09:12 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Ritchie Blackmore looping From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e8356d042f904b2fa2509 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:09:13 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e8356d042f904b2fa2509 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have american strat, not the deluxe ones but it was 1200 euros, when I got it. Really nice guitar, and the sound - yes it cant be copied! 2011/11/30 Per Boysen > On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Petri Lahtinen > wrote: > > "helped me in a > > great way to understand the mechanics of the STrat that can be tamed > > to music." > > > > I just cracked - reading between the lines something about Strat's > > playability... :-D > > > Yes, it's funny that such a wobbly mechanical design still gives the > coolest sound ;-)) And it doesn't look pretty neither, as most other > musical instruments do. But the sound is incredible... > > Per > > -- Petri Lahtinen --90e6ba6e8356d042f904b2fa2509 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have american strat, not the deluxe ones but it was 1200 euros,
when I= got it. Really nice guitar, and the sound - yes it cant be copied!

=
2011/11/30 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1= :24 PM, Petri Lahtinen
<kollegavalmentaja@gmail.= com> wrote:
> "helped me in a
> great way to understand the mechanics of the STrat that can be tamed > to music."
>
> I just cracked - reading between the lines something about Strat's=
> playability... :-D


Yes, it's funny that such a wobbly mechanical design still gives = the
coolest sound ;-)) =A0And it doesn't look pretty neither, as most other=
musical instruments do. But the sound is incredible...

Per




--
Petri Lah= tinen


--90e6ba6e8356d042f904b2fa2509-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 21:39:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C099B183463; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:39:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=arKgNEmusebiJ/qxGCaRRiLpK7YYvGzMudPRzl8DEo8=; b=tSOdrCk8Tbdfxbo8WJ/fvrbuKbe0jV4dY3ALJybYen7uqRmst39krnLlMnPHj27go2 cWB+lDNhaNJkh16Wdw2QNJaWjaKTVd/dqmH8f1ydf3cOFiOuPVMnxUt3ZHrEv3QbXCe+ iZNWGzRjnsw7HlFoRPZNPXe4HZAqxby6G90e4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <75262FFAD6E649F7A90F152B0506157A@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <75262FFAD6E649F7A90F152B0506157A@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 22:39:16 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Recording Live Performances with Ableton Live From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:39:17 +0000 (UTC) Doing what you're after is dirt simple i Live and one of the reason Live is so popular. Here is a step for step walk-through for how to record the main output: 1. Create a new audio track (assuming you're in in Session View, the mixer/spreadsheet layout). 2. In this track's input slot, select "Master" as the input source. 3. Record enable the track. 4. Set its volum to zero (since you're already hearing all that from the Master). 5. Click the slot's little square to start recording. The recording will be of the format you have chosen in Live's preferences and placed inside your project folder. Now, if you are using nifty tricks including launching clips during your performance - especially if doing this with scenes (the slots on the Master track can trigger all other slots on that horizontal row, called a "scene") - then you may want to empty all slots of the recording track except for the one you're gonna trig initially to kick off the recording. Otherwise other slots on that track will get trigged to start recording a clip as a scene gets selected and this will stop the recording clip on that track. BTW, your email client is set to automatically answer to your address instead of the list's. I guess this is not intentional as you did send your post to the list? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Kris Hartung w= rote: > I'm curious how many of you are using Live to record your live looping > performances.=C2=A0=C2=A0 For some reason I am finding this a bit cumbers= ome. I am > used to my easy way of just recording my main output to a wav file in > MAX/MSP.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Now I have this whole business of tracks, exporting,= etc. > > The problem I'm having is that I am importing a wav drum sample, which I > loop in a live track, then and then I play my guitar and loop over that d= rum > loop. But when record it only records my guitar witihn the drum loop segm= ent > over and over.=C2=A0 I don't want to un-loop the drum sample, because the= n I have > to drag it out a fixed number of measures, which defeats the purpose of > improvisation.=C2=A0 How do I work around this?=C2=A0 Is there a way to h= ave the drum > sample loop, but record the live out put of me playing with it? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 21:42:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EB61183463; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:42:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=DcDE1lrfoto8meKvYsPFKiS0A7i4T2ksYjxK5uyPpA0=; b=tPO9iMg5KX1BIxvoE8Dd+IObY398AUPu6Lz655XPSST+5f0SgilKt4N9Mr2FaQRMZZ X+FHt2i/44+YfGV9wL1XKu7jVnCXYinHZ4GIdX6c60y/zCrcSZBWZLpt27F3NCAGDEwC 623x+Zpm5G6IH10ja6zXfU100EjN20zzTSNzo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <75262FFAD6E649F7A90F152B0506157A@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 16:42:25 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Recording Live Performances with Ableton Live From: Jeffrey Collins To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0003255581c291a27a04b2fa9ceb Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:42:26 +0000 (UTC) --0003255581c291a27a04b2fa9ceb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Listen to Per. He has it all down pat. It's really simple in Ableton...one of the reasons I dig the program. Jeffrey On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Doing what you're after is dirt simple i Live and one of the reason > Live is so popular. Here is a step for step walk-through for how to > record the main output: > > 1. Create a new audio track (assuming you're in in Session View, the > mixer/spreadsheet layout). > 2. In this track's input slot, select "Master" as the input source. > 3. Record enable the track. > 4. Set its volum to zero (since you're already hearing all that from > the Master). > 5. Click the slot's little square to start recording. > > The recording will be of the format you have chosen in Live's > preferences and placed inside your project folder. > > Now, if you are using nifty tricks including launching clips during > your performance - especially if doing this with scenes (the slots on > the Master track can trigger all other slots on that horizontal row, > called a "scene") - then you may want to empty all slots of the > recording track except for the one you're gonna trig initially to kick > off the recording. Otherwise other slots on that track will get > trigged to start recording a clip as a scene gets selected and this > will stop the recording clip on that track. > > BTW, your email client is set to automatically answer to your address > instead of the list's. I guess this is not intentional as you did send > your post to the list? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Kris Hartung > wrote: > > I'm curious how many of you are using Live to record your live looping > > performances. For some reason I am finding this a bit cumbersome. I am > > used to my easy way of just recording my main output to a wav file in > > MAX/MSP. Now I have this whole business of tracks, exporting, etc. > > > > The problem I'm having is that I am importing a wav drum sample, which I > > loop in a live track, then and then I play my guitar and loop over that > drum > > loop. But when record it only records my guitar witihn the drum loop > segment > > over and over. I don't want to un-loop the drum sample, because then I > have > > to drag it out a fixed number of measures, which defeats the purpose of > > improvisation. How do I work around this? Is there a way to have the > drum > > sample loop, but record the live out put of me playing with it? > > > > --0003255581c291a27a04b2fa9ceb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Listen to Per. He has it all down pat. It's really simple in Ableton...= one of the reasons I dig the program.

Jeffrey

On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
Doing what you're after is dirt simple = i Live and one of the reason
Live is so popular. Here is a step for step walk-through for how to
record the main output:

1. Create a new audio track (assuming you're in in Session View, the mixer/spreadsheet layout).
2. In this track's input slot, select "Master" as the input s= ource.
3. Record enable the track.
4. Set its volum to zero (since you're already hearing all that from the Master).
5. Click the slot's little square to start recording.

The recording will be of the format you have chosen in Live's
preferences and placed inside your project folder.

Now, if you are using nifty tricks including launching clips during
your performance - especially if doing this with scenes (the slots on
the Master track can trigger all other slots on that horizontal row,
called a "scene") - then you may want to empty all slots of the recording track except for the one you're gonna trig initially to kick<= br> off the recording. Otherwise other slots on that track will get
trigged to start recording a clip as a scene gets selected and this
will stop the recording clip on that track.

BTW, your email client is set to automatically answer to your address
instead of the list's. I guess this is not intentional as you did send<= br> your post to the list?

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen



On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Kris Hartung <krispen.hartung@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm curious how many of you are using Live to record your live loo= ping
> performances.=A0=A0 For some reason I am finding this a bit cumbersome= . I am
> used to my easy way of just recording my main output to a wav file in<= br> > MAX/MSP.=A0=A0 Now I have this whole business of tracks, exporting, et= c.
>
> The problem I'm having is that I am importing a wav drum sample, w= hich I
> loop in a live track, then and then I play my guitar and loop over tha= t drum
> loop. But when record it only records my guitar witihn the drum loop s= egment
> over and over.=A0 I don't want to un-loop the drum sample, because= then I have
> to drag it out a fixed number of measures, which defeats the purpose o= f
> improvisation.=A0 How do I work around this?=A0 Is there a way to have= the drum
> sample loop, but record the live out put of me playing with it?
>


--0003255581c291a27a04b2fa9ceb-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 21:50:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B534183463; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:50:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=i/kaPeMpXgwf9zlEhDJgWxU0f6WNkCEk7kD3S/ucq0E=; b=UZxdLlmc4x0IR9lG9VNOydi2ahKln+nmIqPObLdijHfDKZAybyC44DJP6EY5quEffR +ogOxMg+SVWxVCfyv7mDLnlLVkHrLUE2K0rPrFzTXhjM4fkgsW2WaRwt+y9ymcKNj6gO rJTim96GTtc1JTA1iqXqw6RJcFHHeB6n4lrXw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <75262FFAD6E649F7A90F152B0506157A@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 22:50:18 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Recording Live Performances with Ableton Live From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:50:19 +0000 (UTC) Kris, here are some more useful points: You may want to carry out your recording in separate stems rather than having all crammed into the same stereo file. The reason for this is of course that you will be able to line up the stems in a mixer and mix them for better sound and musicality. Like for example separating the dry guitar sound and the effects will let you find the perfect balance for that when mixing, even varying the dry/wet balance through out the tune. The way to record this way is almost the same as the other method but instead of fetching source input from the Master you fetch source inputs from Return Tracks. Create as many Return Tracks as the number of stems you want to separate your recording in and then simply use the effect send of the playing tracks to send signal to the appropriate Return Track (stem). Per On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 10:42 PM, Jeffrey Collins wrote: > Listen to Per. He has it all down pat. It's really simple in Ableton...on= e > of the reasons I dig the program. > > Jeffrey > > On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> Doing what you're after is dirt simple i Live and one of the reason >> Live is so popular. Here is a step for step walk-through for how to >> record the main output: >> >> 1. Create a new audio track (assuming you're in in Session View, the >> mixer/spreadsheet layout). >> 2. In this track's input slot, select "Master" as the input source. >> 3. Record enable the track. >> 4. Set its volum to zero (since you're already hearing all that from >> the Master). >> 5. Click the slot's little square to start recording. >> >> The recording will be of the format you have chosen in Live's >> preferences and placed inside your project folder. >> >> Now, if you are using nifty tricks including launching clips during >> your performance - especially if doing this with scenes (the slots on >> the Master track can trigger all other slots on that horizontal row, >> called a "scene") - then you may want to empty all slots of the >> recording track except for the one you're gonna trig initially to kick >> off the recording. Otherwise other slots on that track will get >> trigged to start recording a clip as a scene gets selected and this >> will stop the recording clip on that track. >> >> BTW, your email client is set to automatically answer to your address >> instead of the list's. I guess this is not intentional as you did send >> your post to the list? >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Kris Hartung >> wrote: >> > I'm curious how many of you are using Live to record your live looping >> > performances.=C2=A0=C2=A0 For some reason I am finding this a bit cumb= ersome. I am >> > used to my easy way of just recording my main output to a wav file in >> > MAX/MSP.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Now I have this whole business of tracks, exporti= ng, etc. >> > >> > The problem I'm having is that I am importing a wav drum sample, which= I >> > loop in a live track, then and then I play my guitar and loop over tha= t >> > drum >> > loop. But when record it only records my guitar witihn the drum loop >> > segment >> > over and over.=C2=A0 I don't want to un-loop the drum sample, because = then I >> > have >> > to drag it out a fixed number of measures, which defeats the purpose o= f >> > improvisation.=C2=A0 How do I work around this?=C2=A0 Is there a way t= o have the >> > drum >> > sample loop, but record the live out put of me playing with it? >> > >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 21:56:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26AFA18345C; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:56:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=CzgVPaBWBWisb7+ihCpo6a9GzQzC0Ly2pIiUgsccBiU=; b=rMAAQgnU3XRQ3OnclJ/1qL1RqnqLNywEW3Khp+QohxK1Nd8XydrA3SPrNwbV5Cxh7g 1+MvE68Th9uLubv/USo+kCUc5/+RMb5NcNKnktdhf7fwDWflewFiu2Vl6GrVm5n5c3Ab qs9sACh3+e1EZDtpH6+TgeORHbIOgu63t4oto= Message-ID: Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <75262FFAD6E649F7A90F152B0506157A@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Recording Live Performances with Ableton Live Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 14:56:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:56:44 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Per! I knew it would be something simple and I was over-complicating things. I will try this today. So, let's say I do this and record a 20 minute performance, then stop recording. If I repeat these steps, will it create a new wav file, or overright the one I just recorded? ----- Original Message ----- Doing what you're after is dirt simple i Live and one of the reason Live is so popular. Here is a step for step walk-through for how to record the main output: 1. Create a new audio track (assuming you're in in Session View, the mixer/spreadsheet layout). 2. In this track's input slot, select "Master" as the input source. 3. Record enable the track. 4. Set its volum to zero (since you're already hearing all that from the Master). 5. Click the slot's little square to start recording. The recording will be of the format you have chosen in Live's preferences and placed inside your project folder. Now, if you are using nifty tricks including launching clips during your performance - especially if doing this with scenes (the slots on the Master track can trigger all other slots on that horizontal row, called a "scene") - then you may want to empty all slots of the recording track except for the one you're gonna trig initially to kick off the recording. Otherwise other slots on that track will get trigged to start recording a clip as a scene gets selected and this will stop the recording clip on that track. BTW, your email client is set to automatically answer to your address instead of the list's. I guess this is not intentional as you did send your post to the list? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > I'm curious how many of you are using Live to record your live looping > performances. For some reason I am finding this a bit cumbersome. I am > used to my easy way of just recording my main output to a wav file in > MAX/MSP. Now I have this whole business of tracks, exporting, etc. > > The problem I'm having is that I am importing a wav drum sample, which I > loop in a live track, then and then I play my guitar and loop over that > drum > loop. But when record it only records my guitar witihn the drum loop > segment > over and over. I don't want to un-loop the drum sample, because then I > have > to drag it out a fixed number of measures, which defeats the purpose of > improvisation. How do I work around this? Is there a way to have the drum > sample loop, but record the live out put of me playing with it? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 22:26:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFB18183465; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 22:26:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4ED6AD75.4090108@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 14:25:57 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Good , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Re: Circular Breathing: Live Looping References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 22:26:04 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Brian Good wrote: > > Great stuff, but he's playing a bass saxophone. (This has been your > daily dose of pointless pedantry.) > > Thanks for the tip, Brian. It's very important to get these things right. God, what does a bass saxaphone cost? I can't even imagine. rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 22:41:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4C88183462; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 22:41:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4ED6B0F5.4050808@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 14:40:53 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gareth Whittock CC: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: free pedal plugins! References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 22:41:00 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > Not my work but these may be of use to some of you guys.. > > http://tonebytes.com/pedals/ > > thanks muchly, Gareth.......always nice to have several solutions for sonic problems. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 22:54:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D0FD18345F; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 22:54:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4ED6B40A.9060203@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 14:54:02 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: 11/11/11 contributors PLEASE SEND ME YOUR URLS for your pieces Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <88ZJED.A.I3G.RQr1OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 22:54:09 +0000 (UTC) 11/11/11 at 11:11 for 11:11 Submission URL request Hi, I wanted to start rounding up all the 11/11/11 contributions so that we can eventually put them up on one site. Would everyone who made a track and who wishes to be gathered on one site (most likely BandCamp) please send me your URLs so I can download (and then upload) your pieces. Don't send them to Loopers Delight, please. Send them directly to me with this in the subject line in capital letters (so my aggressive spam filter doesn't accidentally snag them) subject: 11/11/11 at 11:11 for 11:11 SUBMISSION URLs send it to me at looppool(at sign)cruzio(dot sign)com Thanks a lot and thanks for bearing with me on this one, I've been sick a lot in the past few weeks so I've gotten way behind in all of my projects. yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 23:17:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25A1F183460; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 23:17:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=peKqdoT5yFK1Ua/27giGoNcCeWULwTMFaGMl5XNzWws=; b=OLlBTFcTBGeCIIzQju8bgc9GcKFATciIqf9LtmwXVxsRUcyUELBL/VTgOH8GLjByNP Q4ermz/dvdpejez3+wTgBgDaGq+AwiE8WJxA1toY6IuLx/4mHTCCG/KxagIIe4kRTDrl nbcaiB1Jl/PfHx63O4Qjgqc/UNKaB45UQihCU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4ED6AD75.4090108@cruzio.com> References: <4ED6AD75.4090108@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 00:17:05 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Circular Breathing: Live Looping From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <5ZJDS.A.QQH.xlr1OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 23:17:06 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 11:25 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > God, =C2=A0what does a bass saxaphone cost? =C2=A0 I can't even imagine. I just happen to know that a good bass flute did cost a person I know $22171. Mind-boggling fact. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 23:18:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A76E183462; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 23:18:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 408678.25392.bm@omp1008.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1322695096; bh=w4K3imGn3n8avC28pJpcSawoNH7TuABlC1pf//FcGGw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:Content-Type:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To:Mime-Version:X-Mailer; b=1juQefQkfG8cytlcChpCQZ7Qjf3z4JkPZGDB+RcdoQe128UudivqHaGPfUAh7ubnaxRSW4WzMjgLYTm6U2JeMdzL6WABXEAMzJD7X/X6EpXUii71AFzEfBhKNnyqKY4oEzKh1niVcvEzbdXEp328ILnHZcFxijRlQAHmpuo72kE= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: wBN7HJoVM1lm2uMMO_4cxRd960uK7FlIih7cZ.zpUgNTINk BpUN9Hk25w6HdpJX9kEMGXOSrgMMNyrC.WHYU8fmY7votPIhUAsd1idyn0RY jYMNhOhpMwfZZAbwsxnWKkdik.jLoKtrnpVn7jExWMLghxdExZsPn0wX42QI 1Uy2317xy.I2rRmPPKhYTAUfIrIrQ76hbr.qLWiJMpy3OJYiNrFWGafEnwgH UobVQy.xS1LjX00Cp7y4i_Xttryz5z5GAPntIqj1djpujqT3RF.QAsSFhn8o OttDNwQGkMWFOqBbCTPzFkUV.6Bpk4kF.Jlnz60LKNohJES92J__i8ruTriP Yg674U1z7ZuPkieeGMdHQm.QdQ1s01lC9HM4g8Oa73Y0UASx.hiNnPEHXnkU g9KDlYLodLM0M4Tb_irjmrALQ0cz8pKv_K.UofvK50B4TNftbmbLaqom3_fH CAJxBto4SYwWjeG9.VZZPyAeKF3WXQdg- X-Yahoo-SMTP: ILs26NSswBDuK82.iJb8TCN7cubm0SmUbZYidhSBIQ-- From: Laurie Amat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_1836019D-B3C9-44DE-AABE-F01BC2F8390E" Subject: I'm performing in a concert in Roma Thursday... Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 00:18:11 +0100 Message-Id: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1244.3) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1244.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 23:18:17 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail=_1836019D-B3C9-44DE-AABE-F01BC2F8390E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I'm having my last concert of my tour tomorrow. If you're in Roma, hope = to see you! If you have friends there, would you pass this on? It's = going to be great fun. I'm making new loop pieces, one is going use my = first time "singing" in Euskara. roma basco =96 euskaraz Laurie Amat + Ckoroma | Associazione Culturale = EUSKARA www.euskara.it gioved=EC 1 dicembre - Abendua 1 osteguna @ Dal Verme Via Luchino dal = Verme 8 =96 Pigneto dalle 21:30ingresso =80 3 sarrera Oops: Thursday December 1, at Dal Verme, Via Luchino dal Verme 8, starts = at 21:30. 3 whole Euros! Laurie= --Apple-Mail=_1836019D-B3C9-44DE-AABE-F01BC2F8390E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252
I'm having my = last concert of my tour tomorrow. If you're in Roma, hope to see you! If = you have friends there, would you pass this on? It's going to be great = fun. I'm making new loop pieces, one is going use my first time = "singing" in Euskara.
roma basco =96 euskaraz = Laurie Amat + Ckoroma | Associazione Culturale = EUSKARA
www.euskara.it
gioved=EC 1 dicembre - Abendua = 1 osteguna @ Dal Verme Via Luchino dal Verme 8 =96 Pigneto dalle = 21:30ingresso =80 3 sarrera

Oops: = Thursday December 1, at Dal Verme, Via Luchino dal Verme 8, starts at = 21:30. 3 whole Euros!

Laurie
<= /html>= --Apple-Mail=_1836019D-B3C9-44DE-AABE-F01BC2F8390E--
Cheers,

Reyn

www.reyn.net
www.studiothechurch.com

= --Apple-Mail=_D321F711-F82A-4199-930F-BD355F46A0A4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 18:44:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4704D18347A; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 18:44:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=7oBuCFw7OtL4DBy5ydIoCIL/AFrbpd5l8q9pXDfbpBk=; b=bjZe02Mw/sLjmIFHBSnFbEboIztA5P0cMOdTAHzhIjHz7x20W2W7AlJ0Mirv5LPAQk zwSSQFkG8dNJJhSMEhwCY4wqFw4AJyhVolxJV1mmqck+4rxpYr+5khGHO9FhV3oxFDGa Nq4LZK9oTOMCCWQIKgkF6bXXHK48frM3tWX5Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <231227B1-542C-403A-881C-603C0010B467@reyn.net> References: <5855797A-0E4A-4672-9162-11D135504CCF@gmail.com> <231227B1-542C-403A-881C-603C0010B467@reyn.net> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 19:44:25 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Evoloop From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ra=FCl_Bonell?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 18:44:26 +0000 (UTC) european distro as well, matthias? 2011/11/24, Reyn Ouwehand : > Can we see more (clear) pictures of the unit?? > > Cheers, > > Reyn > > www.reyn.net > www.studiothechurch.com > > -- .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your imagination, they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. Kim Flint .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 18:49:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6959E18348B; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 18:49:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Kp2VHqx33vXdyL+ppZpGEHEXBTL2jU7TKvedQ8AgyLM=; b=OPV7jMJUlGhZBrGPh5n7gsqvUbVTarTdIjaXUAt1UzC/NxWASfS/0QnwpU19RtSYZc 8+uKdqOqPrwYw2coOjW+ypvCQA6p+ijnguXcI/2akezAuPsMJecen0rZaCzfJuDSjBII q3Xa7a4keUsXZR0aaHMZbgcf5C705H/8iPdZs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <5040DF149E0A4B3690D1D07BA055176B@mpeserver> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 19:49:56 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ritchie Blackmore looping From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 18:49:57 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Charles Zwicky wrote: > Here's a classic example of that tone: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm9-PZJ3buk Man what a sound! I love that neck PU sound! That tape recorder compression is so up-your-face! Makes me think about Hendrix If Six Was Nine (although that was bridge PU, but still the same PU tone compression). Vini Reilly (The Durutti Column) once called the STratocaster "a wonderful machine" or something like that, and that really is what it is. I love those Strat quirks like the sploinky sounds of string tension evening out through the nut score as you play with the whammy bar. I recently recorded this with my strat that I mocked up in -82 by a Schekter body and all other parts form one of those early Japan built Squire strats: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4963264/strat_psalm.mp3 Can't say how much I love that tone, although here it is bridge PU all through. Another classic and great album with the bridge PU strat tone is Hamburger Concerto with ancient dutch group Focus. Jan Akkerman played through rotating speaker Lesley cab's on that album which is another epic strat sound I adore. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 19:07:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5C9A183473; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 19:07:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 7573 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 19:07:22 UTC References: <58D97B58-4BF4-4E78-8453-D6EADCF9FD90@ubergadget.com> <58178914-ADB0-4151-879E-6377DE3F28FF@charter.net> <6DF5C4A35A414F12B3A0D8BC974654AD@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6E671EC5-2E26-4EF4-8DB3-74A50D0B8234@mac.com> <88434A25F8FB4B86AD2852F0EACBA9D9@americas.hpqcorp.net> <017A42114DD5488BA978BB11BDD5B059@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4ECC1B47.4010703@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Ableton Live? Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 11:00:51 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - slmp-550-64.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 19:07:22 +0000 (UTC) For looping with Mobius over pre-recorded backing tracks, Live is a good = choice. It might be overkill=20 but that's definitely one of its strengths. If you start the backing = tracks first, then want Mobius to sync with that tempo you would use Sync Mode set to Host Beat or Host = Bar. With this Mobius will automatically quantize the start and ending of a recording = to the beat/bar of the host transport. If you want to start by creating a Mobius loop and letting it set the = tempo for the backing tracks that you trigger later, it's a bit more complicated. You would = configure Mobius to use Sync Mode=20 "Out" which causes it to send MIDI clocks. Then you use a MIDI loopback = device such as LoopBe or MIDI Yoke to route those clocks back into Live and then configure = Live to slave to MIDI clocks. Another option if your backing loop requirements are simple is to just = run Mobius standalone and load the backing loops into Mobius tracks. Mobius will play them as = if they had been recorded live, then you can use "track sync" to record other Mobius = tracks in sync with the track containing the pre-recorded loop. If you want to switch = between several backing loops you can create a Mobius "project" that loads the loops into = successive loop slots in=20 a track. Then set Switch Quantize to Loop then use one of the loop = trigger functions or click on them to change. The current loop will play to the end then = switch to the other loop. You can do some of the same things that Live does but it was not really = designed for this purpose so if you have complex pre-recorded arrangements spread over multiple = loops in multiple tracks then the Live UI will be better suited for that. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 19:18:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E0C0183474; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 19:18:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=G31vCjudMOXYoT/krJZjuRFcMe8Qcro2LYjd/+Z0AuM=; b=nYHaOXkq+JQHLf5iv782b/iIRar6biL3BjqEO9l6gX7rQIZTT7m8pUEYhldxZjcjE+ BguSumlLxgDV5X5HrUVH8z8nbkPhCzdAO0Dx/91cV895YS2wO30IuXUBOTFPOFITD1nF 3maDjLH46rp7bx3J47SZx72+N28BhZy576kgE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <5040DF149E0A4B3690D1D07BA055176B@mpeserver> From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 20:18:10 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: xXluk2lm4uuknRavOgnX3NOKZxc Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ritchie Blackmore looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3040eacae47dda04b27fe6b0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 19:18:32 +0000 (UTC) --20cf3040eacae47dda04b27fe6b0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Wow thats all so interesting guys, I too love the sound of Deep Purple, I remember coveting secretly an old tape, being in and amongst Pun rockers in my early days, I wasnt really allowed to listen to that stuff... but one of the reasons I could never remember the chords to White Riot or Borstal Breakout in my first ever band was that I was secretly learning Highway Star.. now THAT I could play... And weirdly, I too was using a tape recorder, I still have it! But not as an echo-machine, (Although it did become one half of my Enotronics system later) just as a guitar amp! Infact when I could afford to buy an amp, instead of getting a combo, which were trendy at the time, I got an old HH 4x12 and just plugged the tape recorder in... it was 10 watts and loud enough! I never knew it was a famous technique!!! Im off to the GR55 to see if I can emulate the sound of a Tascam4000DS M -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf3040eacae47dda04b27fe6b0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow thats all so interesting guys, I too love the sound of Deep Purple, I r= emember coveting secretly an old tape, being in and amongst Pun rockers in = my early days, I wasnt really allowed to listen to that stuff... but one of= the reasons I could never remember the chords to White Riot or Borstal Bre= akout in my first ever band was that I was secretly learning Highway Star..= now THAT I could play...

And weirdly, I too was using a tape recorder, I still have it! But not = as an echo-machine, (Although it did become one half of my Enotronics syste= m later) just as a guitar amp!

Infact when I could afford to buy an = amp, instead of getting a combo, which were trendy at the time, I got an ol= d HH 4x12 and just plugged the tape recorder in... it was 10 watts and loud= enough! I never knew it was a famous technique!!!

Im off to the GR55 to see if I can emulate the sound of a Tascam4000DS<= br>

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www.markfrancombe.com
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http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--20cf3040eacae47dda04b27fe6b0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 19:22:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2164183479; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 19:22:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=mPayXcShuCEsUpaHH/6pRH5vmc/kyM/USt4jnT7KDIM=; b=kD9R4D4jaZY+QQ64vj/8XFH2aGEg5lNZRrSgWFi5OFYmKWm5Sl0pMqyp/Edm6jApwL cx40JNT9DNKJoeTIPcOzYrZts57jB8jNKr2k7zXNxtO1f2fq0oiqTzjkLlvwIQgcfSpj FkvM+9S7HwdvvzR0IMy7x4YPLPVgPE5KmU4iA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <5855797A-0E4A-4672-9162-11D135504CCF@gmail.com> <231227B1-542C-403A-881C-603C0010B467@reyn.net> From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 20:21:50 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2ApIbgiN5V4ATwnVDAdMhLssaPE Message-ID: Subject: Re: Evoloop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf305b13e600be6b04b27ff4cf Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 19:22:11 +0000 (UTC) --20cf305b13e600be6b04b27ff4cf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Ra=FCl Bonell wrot= e: > european distro as well, matthias? > Its doesnt really matter to me Ra=FCl? When it comes out Im gonna walk there and get one... even if thats Brazil! --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf305b13e600be6b04b27ff4cf Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Ra=FCl Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wro= te:
european distro as well, matthias?

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I= ts doesnt really matter to me Ra=FCl?

When it comes out Im gonna wal= k there and get one... even if thats Brazil! --




Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr= .com/photos/24478662@N00/

--20cf305b13e600be6b04b27ff4cf-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 19:31:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D89D18347A; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 19:31:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Evoloop Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 11:31:34 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 19:31:42 +0000 (UTC) May I have one now please? Do i have to come to Brazil to get it ??????????........ booking my flight now :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 19:38:34 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0838218347A; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 19:38:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=bxDjgL789nlbhUeshHLth0wfyixGkIYGgF8eYYnFCMI=; b=Uto2VrZBE8wBTBlvTHEwqisOc6QZ7n4s7LH4la8QTSHxxAu76NPrLi5ecARhXBq7tG RUTlj/QwbFyDblYx+Ad2akQ6fdKZ5hg/dASYJIx3P2e0+kVqJTHOk7v4kawRpawekQpz a2UrD6Fb++jY6nIJTw32rWSNi6Yw2dL80qwWY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 20:38:12 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: AihFinPJ-eAbXHHEMprtOuk2lCU Message-ID: Subject: Re: Evoloop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf305b13e6893edd04b2802e4a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 19:38:33 +0000 (UTC) --20cf305b13e6893edd04b2802e4a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 But I get the window seat... On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 8:31 PM, William Walker wrote: > May I have one now please? Do i have to come to Brazil to get it > ??????????........ > booking my flight now :-) > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf305b13e6893edd04b2802e4a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But I get the window seat...

On Thu, Nov = 24, 2011 at 8:31 PM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
May I have one now please? Do i have to come to Brazil to get it ??????????= ........
booking my flight now :-)




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Mark Fra= ncombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--20cf305b13e6893edd04b2802e4a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 19:53:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84CF2183489; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 19:53:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4ECEA0B7.8030906@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 14:53:27 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Listen to Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1FcpMB.A.SJF.FDqzOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 19:53:41 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm EST/GMT-5 on Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long Special Focus on Synth.nl. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Apollo" on Groove Unlimited Records. Details are at the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#nov Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://wdiy.org/listen on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 20:00:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 164DA183489; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 20:00:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=m4kOdmmsL7jZLcajC23YD0/jZVBABemrGFMEnAhak7E=; b=PpbnlgvPDecLELr+uoavJ4mcXsx9Nw2lTs0hZQAw2nJPjs+qVo2ibu/dD1p0SKSypO I1RVe2ZAZFVpkNcivQZlUoCRKgJst8ki79y6xexV7MkGZ/3d5WOzQBmrfx7ioy/MZl42 JjXBtzF3ySPh1tPCvVWDU/Tx3SqLCfqGLsas8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:00:00 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Evoloop From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ra=FCl_Bonell?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 20:00:01 +0000 (UTC) ok. let's start booking a charter flight to bah=EDa then xD 2011/11/24, mark francombe : > But I get the window seat... > > On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 8:31 PM, William Walker > wrote: > >> May I have one now please? Do i have to come to Brazil to get it >> ??????????........ >> booking my flight now :-) >> >> > > > -- > *Mark Francombe* > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > --=20 .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-= .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your imaginat= ion, they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. Kim Flint .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 20:00:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 074B118347A; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 20:00:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Ambient noise fun... From: Mark Hamburg In-Reply-To: <7BE2C976-A54A-4ABE-A44F-0E8CE44006DF@grubmah.com> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 12:00:48 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4EC96541.2020100@googlemail.com> <20111121081907.FF3AA9D8.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> <7BE2C976-A54A-4ABE-A44F-0E8CE44006DF@grubmah.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 20:00:51 +0000 (UTC) Much longer track recorded with the Roland HandSonic HPD-15 + Line6 M13 = combination: http://grubmah.com/music/2011_11_24.mp3 Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 20:15:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 147E6183478; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 20:15:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=FY/38mbZQKvsHDqXJf18/bmSMPLfsbesyJzbe823r6A=; b=h24SSxH74BXzQ1F4HIXbwiroBaJoUScgqzOrHRJ9AYs4ZiJxK8NVGbECtLroBDSx84 aA1bFjHsJ6EJtwrfnMdSmW4s1NcEZs28ohzx8c4qJJDozokReIfvEWhk5L/Ipk29HcCg sWdOWmvpQ+vyqoexYIYpOwGRJW48SHx07j04M= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <129279549881983503@unknownmsgid> References: <4ECCD8AD.5000303@cruzio.com> <4ECD4CA2.6060805@tiscali.co.uk> <3899205629301061251@unknownmsgid> <129279549881983503@unknownmsgid> Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 04:15:57 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: suck on this, mother_loopers From: eib halimski To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307c9bfa4c763e04b280b497 Resent-Message-ID: <6JqeuD.A.FkF.9XqzOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 20:15:57 +0000 (UTC) --20cf307c9bfa4c763e04b280b497 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 it's a technique called 'garbage masking' which is easier if the camera is locked into frame. if the camera moves and the subject overlaps, then 'rotoscoping' is required. syncing between footages is the real problem tho. --20cf307c9bfa4c763e04b280b497 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 it's a technique called 'garbage masking' which is easier if the camera is locked into frame. if the camera moves and the subject overlaps, then 'rotoscoping' is required. syncing between footages is the real problem tho.


--20cf307c9bfa4c763e04b280b497-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 20:26:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 579CB183477; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 20:26:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=3d4l2GgKfTdShyY/8vUEBkcvKu42Sf6Kp7BclTQ0aMc=; b=siG3EufZsQNi2mygbfKFT1X1n+24kH1MclzahvXztQxux0x6UdnL9HYoMgRgMqxavA fi/rzLCRzQGgipvlATwkTLEp+m5XycTew6RZKFR/eWx74gXGWn4S15j0iQGJcOGz/hii XdjRgcCMQ2VOex6YpwefbetVHD+ZD7loSCHyY= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: suck on this, mother_loopers From: Christopher Darrow In-Reply-To: <4ECCD8AD.5000303@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 12:26:50 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4ECCD8AD.5000303@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 20:26:54 +0000 (UTC) I rarely comment just to comment, because it doesn't really add = anything.=20 But in this case, I just have to shout out: Fucking Well Done, Man. = Fucking Well Done! On Nov 23, 2011, at 3:27 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > whether live or not, this kid is hella talented........funky and = funny! >=20 > djparadiddle >=20 >=20 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DcgUx2Z3KRDk&feature=3Drelmfu >=20 >=20 > check out all of his very creative videos. >=20 > I'd love to know what video software he used to be able to 'clone' > himself........anyone know? >=20 > rick walker >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 20:29:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38DA5183474; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 20:29:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=jt0mwGWcyYQPVQGmON4xGKKbcpyxz14mEuIjXqM8AbI=; b=PphzknQlZuaSJdiAps0NYB+R+lE74NOwPiBMukKD+kioERmsnMzNekOaXuaOqOApvH js2GETiLDvjsXGrkH1QDSYoRFxHJmxsuxtM5LhFzQ6Uz0fATmzFy8QNSNTuVLtYLGt7A BfyTBuP61D+pa+9chLqkxuPOATTPega/KBZPI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:28:45 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: nuuPgBQvHHwK31p1o0xM_LewC3M Message-ID: Subject: Re: Evoloop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5c00a50661404b280e3eb Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 20:29:07 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5c00a50661404b280e3eb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I believe Mattias lives in Sao Paulo... we should set up road blocks in and out... On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 9:00 PM, Ra=FCl Bonell wrot= e: > ok. let's start booking a charter flight to bah=EDa then xD > > --=20 *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --001636c5c00a50661404b280e3eb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I believe Mattias lives in Sao Paulo... we should set up road blocks in and= out...

On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 9:00 PM, = Ra=FCl Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:
ok. let's start booking a charter fligh= t to bah=EDa then xD


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Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--001636c5c00a50661404b280e3eb-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 20:37:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72A6518347A; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 20:37:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=eSTUNLHfvYQKrRLp2ES8z9SlzVAP1mWSFN6lDbPxSVQ=; b=EvQLPMGT4SHxWgtvxG/l8i6WSIJcxwoYYLpkR4vpt1TdN+S2rIZ/58ByiTNVMIBe3E uTCrPBApsQCervVGFmwWswR4KqjGUH2o5uLGB09MeXHwISlxW9bh7+ChGyZJFE7wpxmX iWivnPJwO6J8oQuREu4yb69IGT9w+BEgISymY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:36:45 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6RabKLyYYJr11BwFCTtbrKHhIRI Message-ID: Subject: Proud Dad displaying sons first Abelton track To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e68e7a64ee35a404b280ffb3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 20:37:08 +0000 (UTC) --0016e68e7a64ee35a404b280ffb3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I just have to just post this! http://snd.sc/sdbW0L Its my (step) sons Benjamins first finished track in Abelton... he was using Fruity loops for a few years doing Hip Hop, But I turned him onto Abeton, and now... this! Phew... I really feel like getting my pipe and slippers now! Regards One Proud Dad.. -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --0016e68e7a64ee35a404b280ffb3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just=A0 have to just post this!

h= ttp://snd.sc/sdbW0L

Its my (step) sons Benjamins first finished = track in Abelton... he was using Fruity loops for a few years doing Hip Hop= , But I turned him onto Abeton, and now... this!

Phew... I really feel like getting my pipe and slippers now!

Reg= ards

One Proud Dad..

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Mark= Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--0016e68e7a64ee35a404b280ffb3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 21:01:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DE5D18348C; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:01:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OAar1VQZly8t84Hlq59I/mnVBNBYk21Xgrhf71pWFDY=; b=eNTXzYZlTWR0H9BwZCkcTNJTFDuPAEnY7khhWsP5G2w27KrY9kEk2vbco5RYNIHEzk KgD1mH+9eN2P52efn7vKh5RyVlkd6Ie652ROQq+V62DiH4x23w49+ODJCllN5roQPi8K tmm0oZHw0LLXxyRZjWHSpb/xR0pd/OUyHhGqQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:01:50 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Proud Dad displaying sons first Abelton track From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:01:52 +0000 (UTC) pumping! ...as the kids say these days (or was it 20 years ago?) i may be slightly out of touch... anyways, it was fat! On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 8:36 PM, mark francombe wr= ote: > I just=A0 have to just post this! > > http://snd.sc/sdbW0L > > Its my (step) sons Benjamins first finished track in Abelton... he was us= ing > Fruity loops for a few years doing Hip Hop, But I turned him onto Abeton, > and now... this! > > Phew... I really feel like getting my pipe and slippers now! > > Regards > > One Proud Dad.. > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 21:56:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8753183479; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:56:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 13:42:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Ken.H" Subject: FS: Looperlative LP1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:rwBJZjdGJs+24zvl/w3JIEfXsRLe/37xCWGuXaHJOpQ 8epCydnzyBE8Nfj8fp1ob0wK8N02DgksB2dbn0eSYTgOHny+OC MiIBQILTHgO8u+dZi21dRIGmvGJ2qOCcTyp23NUQcHa31ocRAt 2KgCMfKjvNmzcl7gNsk5S9kQLfGTAQ8xRuyRi3iyxqZbu1Q+Kw 17Jm1oBSkTQSN3euyOomO/zw8QG/sR5mCes69pTWZFHUotYJf8 qI5LohcHznnVRIOA4115tfoBgVm8ZghaXiQ/svmaJw4j+t5B/v fEtbl06Se3JFsXxqhpZnt3tcKxpLpQ5skQJmFuspggaQiArcFP 5t9cjru9AXeOMv/LuLoufkA1p6se9t9ejf+CH6upr Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:56:10 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, Haven't posted for a while, but I've been enjoying the list. After much consideration, I've decided to sell my LP1. Before it goes to eBay, I thought I'd let the LD crowd have a shot at it. It would be nice to sell it to a 'familiar name'. For LD'ers: $650 and you pay actual shipping. I have the original shipping box. The Buy It Now price on eBay will be higher. Paypal preferred, hopefully to a North American looper (I'm just North of San Francisco). The unit is in great condition. It's been a great tool, but I've decided that I'm a software-type of looper (I don't perform live, either). The LP1 has been much more fun for me than the other hardware loopers I've used... but that's a preference sort of thing. Regards, Ken From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 22:47:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DD02183486; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 22:47:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4ECEC988.8050503@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 14:47:36 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Per Boysen CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Evoloop References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 22:47:56 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Wow, it really looks cool. Nice that it is so small too. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen I'm so excited Matthias!!!!! It's gonna be wonderful........and it looks so magical, too! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 25 02:26:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2535183475; Fri, 25 Nov 2011 02:26:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 381968.19699.bm@omp1007.mail.ne1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1322187975; bh=OFvetgf7X3rRqemSiIs8wtCPMOc+2FDHbbmlyzMJZDU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VupBRIEA7UgTJrVRVt04/ZFNWKw0NL1hX70MHcdvThVFgBK+sBUY9WP7Whj1lualdHGE2Ay9yLk2y/dfK2jQDWlxbTb8dZz83emIGVbleGCvl+spoHNn2opiRHbeKd5ZtK0gUHv88Gl/IDgFMNGLPUFGT7d5HH4LJs7EDkO2oBc= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=F3SQg8G998XBQ1zu7JIQayboRoncuRfec0o+MacI9YqNMHEj1n8cZhyTUZzGg8Ca2OwJJChewlQDlUt1fQCLMCcLHGPOYbW3+8dO3Wyugf01KKbNRF0rVMqpK5DrqBayUjenSwfRc8v8UJFI+bkblEDmiNAdw+kpoprj1IL+KxE=; X-YMail-OSG: Uxt_Tt4VM1kUl7F0Pnt25Su9D4qX9pHDzjpZNfAisDw90Ap r2MCN7WZUDMOTgEEMBtNOdOX8lyAP0n_hg7hePhLQ19stSWTzh7qrXoVJNhw Te4LBG5aFc6x3jlhCBDmY9hGIYKmF2bu8YRAq7tzCJ.za8m4WQKgwJIBQ.Mx sPIQ7jiE5rB3RcHF.OYDZYQ_h5DaTUWgWUgnW22.u073b5LYXn2B4pe72NR1 p2RI3rzs9cGkMMpp6jK0vYesTcaeTo9eUsfuogdSfa8h3hg5fPJTOMMDu3Km JzQUSikuTJfcm.M75Hq7G4B5.o3zb4u57DnUdOXjkWE5hNGLgJKEkd_1aXoW T9pLEfGxnYFsvna1RP5ogON9zOoF9.6070xuEf0kXXYyWeFa_FvPRGm7G6sx AgwHTsNvkt27iR1g1jRxjYByzD6ZGIyodV5bvxQ75w9VzBR1GnPzv.joOvoJ XOH9VR939VsO65VNSNoNrhSIl9p9lioqy7BRFiqbdmxvJ15AZOFaBe0Tl4Zo RM68DHf_29oJIapyjRqGJan7vcLPTWndv9wDnfpG.gA1rsBftjW4t180HtTD VDBuddpa.fN1_a5GbDDQXPJpLxSU0jsa3gCroyeA0cgUlKT8h2x8l.GDPz1Z GmSd17OZNVC24h_GxOs7aftUEUuzpjlDYSb27OsjALQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.325013 Message-ID: <1322187975.96494.YahooMailMobile@web36707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 18:26:15 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: Ritchie Blackmore looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-2114655128-1507435347-1322187975=:96494" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 02:26:17 +0000 (UTC) ---2114655128-1507435347-1322187975=:96494 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ahhhh...Jan Akkerman. What about his soloing on Questions? Answers? Answers? Questions? / Focus 2 (I think))? He could really rock and his tone was so awesome. He is a vastly underrated guitarist. Of course, Focus ia a vastly underrated group. They've always been one of my favorites. ---2114655128-1507435347-1322187975=:96494 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Ahhhh...Jan Akkerman. What about his soloing on Questions? Answers? Answers? Questions? / Focus 2 (I think))? He could really rock and his tone was so awesome. He is a vastly underrated guitarist. Of course, Focus ia a vastly underrated group. They've always been one of my favorites.

From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>;
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>;
Subject: Re: Ritchie Blackmore looping
Sent: Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:49:56 PM

On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Here's a classic example of that tone:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm9-PZJ3buk


Man what a sound! I love that neck PU sound! That tape recorder
compression is so up-your-face! Makes me think about Hendrix If Six
Was Nine (although that was bridge PU, but still the same PU tone
compression). Vini Reilly (The Durutti Column) once called the
STratocaster "a wonderful machine" or something like that, and that
really is what it is. I love those Strat quirks like the sploinky
sounds of string tension evening out through the nut score as you play
with the whammy bar. I recently recorded this with my strat that I
mocked up in -82 by a Schekter body and all other parts form one of
those early Japan built Squire strats:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4963264/strat_psalm.mp3
Can't say how much I love that tone, although here it is bridge PU all
through. Another classic and great album with the bridge PU strat tone
is Hamburger Concerto with ancient dutch group Focus. Jan Akkerman
played through rotating speaker Lesley cab's on that album which is
another epic strat sound I adore.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
---2114655128-1507435347-1322187975=:96494-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 25 05:44:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA7C2183478; Fri, 25 Nov 2011 05:44:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=YUtop+rrE8ufc7KPhGQcUfd7PjUdlznQciKccbRWZKijhkuX/kuckAiCGjd52o8Q; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <1833889.1322199848954.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:44:08 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ritchie Blackmore looping Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd485f9b5de7b5b7fa538acad166c7bc101927b02ac19e33883a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.43 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 05:44:20 +0000 (UTC) used to buy the early solo Jan records-loved them to death and played them to death-great music that stands the test of time.Jan Akkerman - Streetwalker - YouTube
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Richards
Sent: Nov 24, 2011 6:26 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Ritchie Blackmore looping

Ahhhh...Jan Akkerman. What about his soloing on Questions? Answers? Answers? Questions? / Focus 2 (I think))? He could really rock and his tone was so awesome. He is a vastly underrated guitarist. Of course, Focus ia a vastly underrated group. They've always been one of my favorites.

From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>;
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>;
Subject: Re: Ritchie Blackmore looping
Sent: Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:49:56 PM

On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Here's a classic example of that tone:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm9-PZJ3buk


Man what a sound! I love that neck PU sound! That tape recorder
compression is so up-your-face! Makes me think about Hendrix If Six
Was Nine (although that was bridge PU, but still the same PU tone
compression). Vini Reilly (The Durutti Column) once called the
STratocaster "a wonderful machine" or something like that, and that
really is what it is. I love those Strat quirks like the sploinky
sounds of string tension evening out through the nut score as you play
with the whammy bar. I recently recorded this with my strat that I
mocked up in -82 by a Schekter body and all other parts form one of
those early Japan built Squire strats:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4963264/strat_psalm.mp3
Can't say how much I love that tone, although here it is bridge PU all
through. Another classic and great album with the bridge PU strat tone
is Hamburger Concerto with ancient dutch group Focus. Jan Akkerman
played through rotating speaker Lesley cab's on that album which is
another epic strat sound I adore.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 25 05:58:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3E30183479; Fri, 25 Nov 2011 05:58:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ENZo2W1BX6qV7neQTkR9BQcTgK68zBFeTOWLo3N5y2k=; b=x7bTMewkfIdPKH9by+XZ1YysJ8gOkjS8cuwR+tjMeaAx10Go//kVcHiFvJe15Rt2jh gDd7o7M7P6ERbNScJuBH7onFBU3cjPDgb8LGkl6TQ6ikfMlCI4cemjjOR0qMW4bNJH11 IyoC7tYVQErJvj4mGI4EUljzU12h/SihzpoeE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1833889.1322199848954.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <1833889.1322199848954.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:58:03 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ritchie Blackmore looping From: Art Simon To: stanitarium@earthlink.net Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba613518157ba504b288d68a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 05:58:05 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba613518157ba504b288d68a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Loved that Akkerman song when it came out in 1977, and I still do. Great groove, great guitar. The live album at the Montreux Jazz festival around that time is excellent as well. On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 9:44 PM, wrote: > used to buy the early solo Jan records-loved them to death and played them > to death-great music that stands the test of time.Jan Akkerman - > Streetwalker - YouTube > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Richards ** > Sent: Nov 24, 2011 6:26 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Ritchie Blackmore looping > > Ahhhh...Jan Akkerman. What about his soloing on Questions? Answers? > Answers? Questions? / Focus 2 (I think))? He could really rock and his tone > was so awesome. He is a vastly underrated guitarist. Of course, Focus ia a > vastly underrated group. They've always been one of my favorites. > > ------------------------------ > * From: * Per Boysen ; > * To: * ; > * Subject: * Re: Ritchie Blackmore looping > * Sent: * Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:49:56 PM > > On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Charles Zwicky > wrote: > > Here's a classic example of that tone: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm9-PZJ3buk > > > Man what a sound! I love that neck PU sound! That tape recorder > compression is so up-your-face! Makes me think about Hendrix If Six > Was Nine (although that was bridge PU, but still the same PU tone > compression). Vini Reilly (The Durutti Column) once called the > STratocaster "a wonderful machine" or something like that, and that > really is what it is. I love those Strat quirks like the sploinky > sounds of string tension evening out through the nut score as you play > with the whammy bar. I recently recorded this with my strat that I > mocked up in -82 by a Schekter body and all other parts form one of > those early Japan built Squire strats: > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4963264/strat_psalm.mp3 > Can't say how much I love that tone, although here it is bridge PU all > through. Another classic and great album with the bridge PU strat tone > is Hamburger Concerto with ancient dutch group Focus. Jan Akkerman > played through rotating speaker Lesley cab's on that album which is > another epic strat sound I adore. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > ** > > -- Art Simon simart@gmail.com --90e6ba613518157ba504b288d68a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Loved that Akkerman song when it came out in 1977, and I still do. Great gr= oove, great guitar. The live album at the Montreux Jazz festival around tha= t time is excellent as well.

On Thu, Nov = 24, 2011 at 9:44 PM, <stanitarium@earthlink.net> wrote:
used to buy the early solo Jan records-l= oved them to death and played them to death-great music that stands the tes= t of time.Jan Akkerman - Streetwalker - YouTube
-----Original Message= -----
From: Paul Richards
Sent: Nov 24, 2011 6:26 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Ritchie Blackmore looping

=
Ahhhh...Jan Akkerman. What = about his soloing on Questions? Answers? Answers? Questions? / Focus 2 (I t= hink))? He could really rock and his tone was so awesome. He is a vastly un= derrated guitarist. Of course, Focus ia a vastly underrated group. They'= ;ve always been one of my favorites.

From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>; =
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>;= =
Subject: Re: Ritchie Blackmore looping =
Sent: Thu, Nov 24, 2011 6:49:56 PM =

On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@eart= hlink.net> wrote:
> Here's a classic example of that tone:=
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dhm9-PZJ3buk


Ma= n what a sound! I love that neck PU sound! That tape recorder
compressio= n is so up-your-face! Makes me think about Hendrix If Six
Was Nine (although that was bridge PU, but still the same PU tone
compre= ssion). Vini Reilly (The Durutti Column) once called the
STratocaster &q= uot;a wonderful machine" or something like that, and that
really is= what it is. I love those Strat quirks like the sploinky
sounds of string tension evening out through the nut score as you play
w= ith the whammy bar. I recently recorded this with my strat that I
mocked up in -82 by a Schekter body and all other parts fo= rm one of
those early Japan built Squire strats:
http://dl.dropbox= .com/u/4963264/strat_psalm.mp3
Can't say how much I love that tone, although here it is bridge PU all<= br>through. Another classic and great album with the bridge PU strat toneis Hamburger Concerto with ancient dutch group Focus. Jan Akkerman
played through rotating speaker Lesley cab's on that album which is
= another epic strat sound I adore.

Greetings from Sweden

Per B= oysen
www.perboys= en.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen



--
Art Simonsimart@gmail.com=

--90e6ba613518157ba504b288d68a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 25 09:58:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B6D0183479; Fri, 25 Nov 2011 09:58:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=9u3ZXtLhYXkfNfbz9vmsIlWxgyrlu3Pbq5ut5K5ux8c=; b=Uxx8t47DdAuWkLnZ2xknqA6h10UL/fFLCeLiDkmOfqk9+2BzmeWEIKNPm5Aqr2p5vy 1FigSUgy7fhmBzJt/X8j25jT3YxUyMF0BNs9M4qy6utiP5/LNeTjh7hIIvffUusxhKjL h3Z0h4uati8amVj8XC65fWFgNkSXCE4ca8gKY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4EC96541.2020100@googlemail.com> <20111121081907.FF3AA9D8.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> <7BE2C976-A54A-4ABE-A44F-0E8CE44006DF@grubmah.com> Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 10:58:08 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ambient noise fun... From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ra=FCl_Bonell?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <9MHRzD.A.RRF.ya2zOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 09:58:10 +0000 (UTC) Way cool! Mark ... 2011/11/24, Mark Hamburg : > Much longer track recorded with the Roland HandSonic HPD-15 + Line6 M13 > combination: > > http://grubmah.com/music/2011_11_24.mp3 > > Mark > > -- .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your imagination, they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. Kim Flint .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 25 13:18:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2645A183489; Fri, 25 Nov 2011 13:18:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4ECF9577.30107@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 05:17:43 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mark francombe CC: loopers-delight Subject: Re: Proud Dad displaying sons first Abelton track References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5UqTPB.A.erG.KW5zOB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 13:18:02 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, mark francombe wrote: > http://snd.sc/sdbW0L > > Its my (step) sons Benjamins first finished track in Abelton... he was > using Fruity loops for a few years doing Hip Hop, But I turned him > onto Abeton, and now... this! That's a lot to be proud of. This is a really sophisticated track for a newbie..........really sophisticated!!! From the way he turns around the delays in the intro so that they are dotted 8th notes against the grooves to the sophisticated use of many timbres, none of which seem to mask each other. Benjamin, you have great promise................well done! Mark, wonderful fruit never falls very far from the tree! Congratulations! love, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 25 20:27:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1156B183464; Fri, 25 Nov 2011 20:27:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=wrow25Lvk9Dv55B1C3pvH+Vf46jof+p4OMEQpgp7nMU=; b=RUKo10HsWyuoLnOVifFHntCj5ZoQ2bEWgrIcbXWH4iJgSVtVwn2gpWtkI/Ur9kDpJs 36Kdir4HMb8VJhFp614iR2dDOs0ElM1bOVXz1RWQpQ5a6dGB7S3w3+GmOavSltnFsHVU 9TKO7YOfWhoaTXM+qhlQW3cCL5gzS/5HxPrP0= Message-ID: <7DC1F24F1D904E998E01B2641C13BF24@americas.hpqcorp.net> Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <58D97B58-4BF4-4E78-8453-D6EADCF9FD90@ubergadget.com><58178914-ADB0-4151-879E-6377DE3F28FF@charter.net><6DF5C4A35A414F12B3A0D8BC974654AD@americas.hpqcorp.net><6E671EC5-2E26-4EF4-8DB3-74A50D0B8234@mac.com><88434A25F8FB4B86AD2852F0EACBA9D9@americas.hpqcorp.net> <017A42114DD5488BA978BB11BDD5B059@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6F92C43E-B9F6-40E7-8739-1E7E54BFD194@gmail.com> <2B3447B053DC4FDE96AEE1F0CB60BAA5@americas.hpqcorp.net> <08DA7FA2-A96D-4AC6-B0B8-C8CAAFDEFE1E@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <08DA7FA2-A96D-4AC6-B0B8-C8CAAFDEFE1E@gmail.com> Subject: EDP VST in Ableton Live? Anyone doint this? Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 13:27:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 20:27:23 +0000 (UTC) Is anyone using the EDP VST looper in Ableton Live 8? If so, I'd like to see if I can pick your brain. I am having difficulties sending program changes to the VST via my MIDI controller. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 25 23:02:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4154183465; Fri, 25 Nov 2011 23:02:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer :x-mimeole; bh=3ttGi8S14fQijkOmFpND/I5Taue73IvPehMu8Q4xlMM=; b=N1ITceM4B8tloScGwwWW0RHYk95iqqP8Kim7z0KyinzGwkSf+GkJbfdQf5T+UKPNXR aBLbtekOIC48Hr86z1vQpHVlF7yL66gD1oAw/vQlN7PFPRN3aO+Tjbybatz3Dtlzikgo qnpSbPHRM4dItWeiGRmdf+QXdO7Q/G0XiOd/g= Message-ID: <664497FAC95540B7803FE50593AB1511@americas.hpqcorp.net> Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <58D97B58-4BF4-4E78-8453-D6EADCF9FD90@ubergadget.com> <58178914-ADB0-4151-879E-6377DE3F28FF@charter.net> <6DF5C4A35A414F12B3A0D8BC974654AD@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6E671EC5-2E26-4EF4-8DB3-74A50D0B8234@mac.com> <88434A25F8FB4B86AD2852F0EACBA9D9@americas.hpqcorp.net> <017A42114DD5488BA978BB11BDD5B059@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4ECC1B47.4010703@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Subject: Mobius in Ableton Live and Offset MIDI Program Change #s Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 16:02:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_029F_01CCAB8B.A5B7C5F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 23:02:30 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_029F_01CCAB8B.A5B7C5F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there a way to offset MIDI program change #s in Live, from an = external MIDI controller? For someone reason, when I send a program change #1 from my MIDI = controller, Live intepretes it as 0. I am using a MIDI Moose controller = to send program changes to Mobius in Live. When I use Mobius as a = standalone, all is good. So I think Live is intervening and interpreting = a 1 from my controller as a 0, and sending that to Mobius from my MIDI = track. Very peculiar problem. ------=_NextPart_000_029F_01CCAB8B.A5B7C5F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is there a way to offset MIDI program change #s in Live, from an = external=20 MIDI controller?

For someone reason, when I send a program change #1 from my = MIDI=20 controller, Live intepretes it as 0. I am using a MIDI Moose controller = to send=20 program changes to Mobius in Live.   When I use = Mobius as a=20 standalone, all is good. So I think Live is intervening and interpreting = a 1=20 from my controller as a 0, and sending that to Mobius from my MIDI = track. =20 Very peculiar problem.
 
------=_NextPart_000_029F_01CCAB8B.A5B7C5F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 25 23:52:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF774183486; Fri, 25 Nov 2011 23:52:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=75XS+4iQonl9T10ttMOSQtj0a/OaNiqhwoA5jd0Ct70=; b=YVgfXeLSsXrRmr6b5Q9nnJeso98ja7wc7lTaGlec/DhepnLva+JBE76J6PguxHS+3P OYcM3njPmDwTGivPkjer5blywM82+BE+/xlR4obZJ49X9Hl4FO4Ypkqs5Ml9/eDNl5Qr OKhWn15SW8cdKH3uK8lq4DqxIxjdtySM5tvZQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <664497FAC95540B7803FE50593AB1511@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <58D97B58-4BF4-4E78-8453-D6EADCF9FD90@ubergadget.com> <58178914-ADB0-4151-879E-6377DE3F28FF@charter.net> <6DF5C4A35A414F12B3A0D8BC974654AD@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6E671EC5-2E26-4EF4-8DB3-74A50D0B8234@mac.com> <88434A25F8FB4B86AD2852F0EACBA9D9@americas.hpqcorp.net> <017A42114DD5488BA978BB11BDD5B059@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4ECC1B47.4010703@tiscali.co.uk> <664497FAC95540B7803FE50593AB1511@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 00:52:23 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mobius in Ableton Live and Offset MIDI Program Change #s From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 23:52:23 +0000 (UTC) I just checked at the Live forum and it seems Live is quite rude with MIDI Program Change messages. In fact people says Live converts them to MIDI CC# messages. If that's true it is a true bummer. Nice to hear you found they actually arrive, although by a different value. Maybe better use something else than MIDI PCh. Or if you have some plugin that really needs PC's to work ok you could use CC#s and put some MIDI converter plugin (Bidule?) right before it to convert incoming CC#s to PC's. Or use PC's and transform the value a step. But why can't you MIDI learn whatever your pedal board is sending in the plugin? That's the usual procedure. Ableton Live also has its own MIDI Learn system for external parameter control (that is IF the plugin is properly designed according to the VST/AU protocol - not every plugin out there is, especially in the VST domain) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Kris Hartung wrote: > Is there a way to offset MIDI program change #s in Live, from an external > MIDI controller? > For someone reason, when I send a program change #1 from my MIDI controll= er, > Live intepretes it as 0. I am using a MIDI Moose controller to send progr= am > changes=C2=A0to=C2=A0Mobius in Live.=C2=A0=C2=A0 When I use Mobius as a s= tandalone, all is good. > So I think Live is intervening and interpreting a 1 from my controller as= a > 0, and sending that to Mobius from my MIDI track.=C2=A0 Very peculiar pro= blem. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 26 00:04:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 120A3183477; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 00:04:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=Tlcdm2O/5Bqgbg0A9XLCXf8OfmIklqBdphfh6nFGJp0=; b=Vq582Hdv3flrGYdJNSsmx4wYKVhXWFBuSy4WmoZpp3QQIUjAUCUM4aRmIvRoiC/Dwy jW3fd373afG7/YeUw2oQ0V+sLpj7Pzt5ynUv4WANrTYVIIPVuk0a5HTXrkZMTCMZfIDq 2wOI2YR681XfQJ/usopzyqbbR5vq98okpDJZE= Message-ID: <17571D0B57A045A7A687E274D7CC9855@americas.hpqcorp.net> Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <58D97B58-4BF4-4E78-8453-D6EADCF9FD90@ubergadget.com><58178914-ADB0-4151-879E-6377DE3F28FF@charter.net><6DF5C4A35A414F12B3A0D8BC974654AD@americas.hpqcorp.net><6E671EC5-2E26-4EF4-8DB3-74A50D0B8234@mac.com><88434A25F8FB4B86AD2852F0EACBA9D9@americas.hpqcorp.net><017A42114DD5488BA978BB11BDD5B059@americas.hpqcorp.net><4ECC1B47.4010703@tiscali.co.uk><664497FAC95540B7803FE50593AB1511@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Mobius in Ableton Live and Offset MIDI Program Change #s Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 17:04:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: <7uX-hC.A.mOF._zC0OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 00:04:15 +0000 (UTC) Yes, this is quite odd. As I just told Jeff, I open Mobius while in Live, and I use the MIDI Capture function set map my controll buttons to Mobius functions. I click on Record, press my #1 button on my controller, and Mobius shows it as 0 (meaning my controller range starts at 0). But then when I go back to re-check Record, for instance, I see that it has change to 1. So in the end when I in Live and looping, I have to hit my #2 controller button for Live to tell Mobius that I really mean 1. ----- Original Message ----- I just checked at the Live forum and it seems Live is quite rude with MIDI Program Change messages. In fact people says Live converts them to MIDI CC# messages. If that's true it is a true bummer. Nice to hear you found they actually arrive, although by a different value. Maybe better use something else than MIDI PCh. Or if you have some plugin that really needs PC's to work ok you could use CC#s and put some MIDI converter plugin (Bidule?) right before it to convert incoming CC#s to PC's. Or use PC's and transform the value a step. But why can't you MIDI learn whatever your pedal board is sending in the plugin? That's the usual procedure. Ableton Live also has its own MIDI Learn system for external parameter control (that is IF the plugin is properly designed according to the VST/AU protocol - not every plugin out there is, especially in the VST domain) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Kris Hartung wrote: > Is there a way to offset MIDI program change #s in Live, from an external > MIDI controller? > For someone reason, when I send a program change #1 from my MIDI > controller, > Live intepretes it as 0. I am using a MIDI Moose controller to send > program > changes to Mobius in Live. When I use Mobius as a standalone, all is good. > So I think Live is intervening and interpreting a 1 from my controller as > a > 0, and sending that to Mobius from my MIDI track. Very peculiar problem. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 26 14:45:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FB36183478; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 14:45:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 8499 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 14:45:43 UTC Message-ID: <4E5439864C0044C4A9F571F3E4B48441@boo6e771026609> From: "boost" To: References: <5855797A-0E4A-4672-9162-11D135504CCF@gmail.com> X-Ovh-Mailout: 178.32.228.5 (mo5.mail-out.ovh.net) Subject: Re: Evoloop Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 13:04:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01CCAC3B.DED4AEB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Antivirus: avast! 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do you know if the audio input and = output will be=20 balanced line level ?
an important question to me... =
no more midi ins and outs = ?
any brother sync ?
can't wait to try it....
boost
------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CCAC3B.DED4AEB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 26 14:59:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0345183486; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 14:59:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=IS8Z6F+G919c8JMd8gMuZ9NvhzZfAhT1rwI+MuJyGQ0=; b=dXMp9gph5mJtE+kQsPIzewvOZJqIbXOespbosAtgovVEXInZvM0HzhULwhwNKfWV+z 2acX8nfUEr8jGGxsROA4MTi3AayE1xfjw2TCPs+JkcpuPWpkJtd1sHZ5MsxyQz+DDuBm +u854dbyXsDQnjPsYdGpv3lt6KBas0gM6thkE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4E5439864C0044C4A9F571F3E4B48441@boo6e771026609> References: <5855797A-0E4A-4672-9162-11D135504CCF@gmail.com> <4E5439864C0044C4A9F571F3E4B48441@boo6e771026609> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 14:59:10 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Evoloop From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 14:59:11 +0000 (UTC) balanced line level ? i think this is important, if it's designed to sit in a rack environment the best option though, is for switchable -10 / +4 db, then it'll work for people with pedalboards as well On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 12:04 PM, boost wrote: > do you know if the audio input and output will be balanced line level ? > an important question to me... > no more midi ins and outs ? > any brother sync ? > can't wait to try it.... > boost From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 26 18:05:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5262183465; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 18:05:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=CKBBFOpPYfBSFfEY1Rl9efxuAv/fdt7oFsWUUq3BrLQ= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=DMygVUqAIqr+t+pfxQv1AQ==:17 a=NoUgOaFbAAAA:8 a=vt74SosoMjNiH1bH68EA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J741COT6NqMA:10 a=Z2MZLuPm4gMA:10 a=9sKpYj0nZmEA:10 a=PHSpQ2crG-IA:10 a=3Kp6wjd7Q-YA:10 a=8XXifMpZfHYA:10 a=5kp9O7UeeVQA:10 a=DMygVUqAIqr+t+pfxQv1AQ==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Boptronica From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= In-Reply-To: <8CE78E0A37F00C9-1BEC-231C8@webmail-stg-d13.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 10:05:06 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <220266A7-7D9A-48A7-B3E3-F75C222C18FF@charter.net> References: <8CE78E0A37F00C9-1BEC-231C8@webmail-stg-d13.sysops.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 18:05:08 +0000 (UTC) Great fun. On Nov 24, 2011, at 8:52 AM, Harry Weinberg wrote: > Hello to all - Here's a link to a radio show that Chris Peters = (theremin and assorted electronics) and I (sax, DL4) did at a NYC place = called ArtOnAir. I hope you enjoy. > =20 > http://artonair.org/show/boptronica > =20 > Harry > Harry Weinberg, Esq. > Realty Advisory Board On Labor Relations, Inc. > 292 Madison Avenue - 16th Floor > New York, N.Y. 10017 > (212) 889-4100 > (212) 889-4105 (F) > (917) 687-6019 (C) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 26 18:06:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3539183486; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 18:06:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=3kn4snR/2TdwuYXvh+wm0CPnSGzQFWY7ukd303aPFv0= c=1 sm=1 a=JLItBDbrsVIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=DMygVUqAIqr+t+pfxQv1AQ==:17 a=p22KU7DQAAAA:8 a=gB28bEPOAAAA:8 a=VFLBUs1HAAAA:8 a=ZgFmqT6sAAAA:8 a=EzJUUNTIAAAA:8 a=JAralIE_AAAA:8 a=mYdsbXfXCqjXMyRC2j8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=1OoyQ4HGSj0A:10 a=DMygVUqAIqr+t+pfxQv1AQ==:117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Proud Dad displaying sons first Abelton track From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 10:06:22 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5DE8E3B0-EDF2-40F8-9430-F1B4507ED094@charter.net> References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 18:06:23 +0000 (UTC) Groovalicious. On Nov 24, 2011, at 12:36 PM, mark francombe wrote: > I just have to just post this! >=20 > http://snd.sc/sdbW0L >=20 > Its my (step) sons Benjamins first finished track in Abelton... he was = using Fruity loops for a few years doing Hip Hop, But I turned him onto = Abeton, and now... this! >=20 > Phew... I really feel like getting my pipe and slippers now! >=20 > Regards >=20 > One Proud Dad.. >=20 > --=20 > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 27 09:22:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB649183479; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 09:22:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=SnMeTPVARlzRKnQvNEv47Xb3FbN9sO/YBKOePQoVKDg=; b=QSEydonGgXKHbs2QJK/+GkUR5SXCfsF2BTKnCXkiC5xxqxEwYEZ8KSzJHZmV2Xop4u 72jBi/vak3ySOXvQWeV5BaeSIIUbZ2DpDpYvcu4LxBdsUsxlwQcLuPexKtZ5t6rm+ntC a2Qw/dC3LgllL/9L/qTdNa//hObpfrNRqHujc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4EC96541.2020100@googlemail.com> <20111121081907.FF3AA9D8.benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> <7BE2C976-A54A-4ABE-A44F-0E8CE44006DF@grubmah.com> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 10:22:40 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ambient noise fun... From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 09:22:43 +0000 (UTC) i like it Mark! cheers Luis On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Ra=FCl Bonell wro= te: > Way cool! Mark ... > > 2011/11/24, Mark Hamburg : >> Much longer track recorded with the Roland HandSonic HPD-15 + Line6 M13 >> combination: >> >> http://grubmah.com/music/2011_11_24.mp3 >> >> Mark >> >> > > > -- > .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-= .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. > Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your imagin= ation, > they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. > For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. > In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. > In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. > > Kim Flint > .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. > raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com > > --=20 www.luis-angulo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 27 09:29:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5594E18345F; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 09:29:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=jNXyuOesd2H0Lt44ev61CxahM/S7w36pqGAsjOXvl6M=; b=ZNEXAZh+42fe/gKXn623rGx6bcK/IhfDyHqWt1l3ZR/g3Jy6udoj0AQqHCD50FqmMD 7+MuffyKG/UmseqTwudWzQXsD/Ad/RddFZNJwRF0TYBDTWKH8t4EBp+Us8NUCbfQF/D5 OMPNCmaYXwnNzyCbU2v+tNmWHuyQ7dbhR18nk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 12:29:35 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Boss PS-6 as a tool for looped bass. From: Boris Plotnikov To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 09:29:36 +0000 (UTC) I'm now using Boss HR-2 harmonist to make a bass loops from my harmonica playing. But it's not as fast as I want and not as perfect in sound quality (but it works anyway!). I read that Boss PS-6 harmonist have much better and faster responce than previous versions (HR-2 and PS-3,4,5). I like functionality added to PS-6, but I'm not completely shure will fully wet sound of octave down tone on PS6 enough loud comparing to bypass. Is there anyone who've tried? I also want to use detune and S-bend. I also thought about MicroPOG but it's a bit bigger in size and have no more features except octaves. -- Thanks, Boris Plotnikov http://borisplotnikov.ru From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 27 09:50:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3C69183479; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 09:50:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 702569571/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.188.146/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.188.146 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAAcH0k5V0ryS/2dsb2JhbAAMN617AQEBAwE4QAYLCyEWDwkDAgECAUUcAYgBtQ2HTYMVBJl2jF8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,578,1315177200"; d="scan'208";a="702569571" Message-ID: <4ED207FB.3060502@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 09:50:51 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss PS-6 as a tool for looped bass. References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 09:50:48 +0000 (UTC) Boris Plotnikov wrote: > I also thought about MicroPOG but it's a bit bigger in size and have > no more features except octaves. > The MicroPog lower octave tracks very fast. ...but has it's own sound you may not like. (the high octave is delayed a bit...and out of tune). The electro harmonix Octave Multiplexer only does octave down, and won't work with chords, but it has by far the best sound for bass lines. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 27 09:54:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 362D9183473; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 09:54:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=tDb9sCLcVAE5tUNC07C9v9/8Gwb5STJZShZqp6iLI3s=; b=EOY3JmfWhM1/mcmH2HgN63E7QZLBnYG59ot/Lz5Jia2GA046jddYR1Z1z7eO3sTjYQ vX99C4lXYbLnnjXh7+5ccmg4O2v48OB6iY60FEZq+/ihXByvU7XYfsD6oN7qZ6M+OoZy k16S0GSjbuFs2IlQksjUsF0CUnsG5+oX8Hc7c= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4ECCD8AD.5000303@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:54:17 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: suck on this, mother_loopers From: eib halimski To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 09:54:18 +0000 (UTC) Really awesome video yeah. On 11/25/11, Christopher Darrow wrote: > > > I rarely comment just to comment, because it doesn't really add anything. > > But in this case, I just have to shout out: Fucking Well Done, Man. Fucking > Well Done! > > > > On Nov 23, 2011, at 3:27 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > >> whether live or not, this kid is hella talented........funky and funny! >> >> djparadiddle >> >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgUx2Z3KRDk&feature=relmfu >> >> >> check out all of his very creative videos. >> >> I'd love to know what video software he used to be able to 'clone' >> himself........anyone know? >> >> rick walker >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 27 11:58:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2BF1183478; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 11:58:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KMcQVbD0nXUgzWuXLBabH8nS11RYOGZzMfMYiokQhSc=; b=GiGbRfep4UtrQJXKvf8b4rZhDawKeczZIawrYehzcXozf42TBHdPvEo8q+HsqfhG/E 3AHbFLwtmm+MVMCfQ2GYyDN5QLLKzTLL81vPVnHkKaKn4x4clGynhR5to7KpaXCLAg1Z Sw1mwC3ySrYjjzdzOFD3I8GBQVhiaf+FSEEN8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4ED207FB.3060502@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4ED207FB.3060502@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 14:58:23 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Boss PS-6 as a tool for looped bass. From: Boris Plotnikov To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 11:58:25 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for response. I'm familiar with MicroPOG and I like it, but I dislike it's size (yes it's micro, but still bigger than regular boss pedal, I have no enough room in my pedalboard) and I like extra features of PS-6 (detune, s-bend) which MicroPOG lacks while it have the same features (octave lower, octave higher and both together), the only differences that in microPOG it's possible to change level of each tone (dry, oct down, oct up) while it's impossible with PS-6. 2011/11/27 andy butler : > Boris Plotnikov wrote: > >> =A0I also thought about MicroPOG but it's a bit bigger in size and have >> no more features except octaves. >> > > The MicroPog lower octave tracks very fast. > ...but has it's own sound you may not like. > (the high octave is delayed a bit...and out of tune). > > The electro harmonix Octave Multiplexer only does > octave down, and won't work with chords, > but it has by far the best sound for bass lines. > > > andy > > --=20 Thanks, Boris Plotnikov http://borisplotnikov.ru From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 27 12:52:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 243C5183478; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 12:52:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4ED23283.8090206@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 04:52:19 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Art Simon CC: stanitarium@earthlink.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Ritchie Blackmore looping References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2JPVQC.A.O_H.XKj0OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 12:52:39 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Art Simon wrote: > Loved that Akkerman song when it came out in 1977, and I still do. > Great groove, great guitar. The live album at the Montreux Jazz > festival around that time is excellent as well. There is a moment at 1:30 where Akkerman does a very hip harmonic thing.........and the bass player just bursts out into a grin at how clever and unusual his phrasing is. There are a few moments like this that I've seen (or experienced) where a musician is so into what their compatriots are playing that they 'lose it'. I think , particularly, of Jeff Beck's bassist, Tal Wikenfeld, losing it when Vinnie Coliauta plays a particularly hip fill in "Since We've Ended as Lovers" (at 0:34 in this vid clip, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejgqyEviSyk) or when I saw the sax player in Brian Blade's Fellowship band start to cry in the middle of the aching beauty of his fellow sax players solo at a recent phenomenal Kuumbwa Jazz Center show I saw. This is when music really hits the highest of peaks and when I feel proud that we've all chosen this particular path in the world. Thanks for posting this. Akkerman is amazing and to think I only knew of him, previously, from "Hocus Pocus" a particularly weird and funny moment from prog/fusion history. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 27 13:53:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B097C183477; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 13:53:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4ED240C0.2000704@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 08:53:04 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ElectronicMusic Yahoogroups List , beyond_em Yahoogroups List , spacemusic Yahoogroups List , Ambient Way Yahoogroups List , Loopers Delight Mailing List Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #764 for November 24, 2011. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 13:53:09 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/111124.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #764 November 24, 2011. WDIY Playlist: http://wdiy.org/shows/playList.jsp?id=7929 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Synth.nl. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Apollo" on Groove Unlimited. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#nov PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Mark Mosher Infected Reboot (none) Patricj Geren Orange Skies Orange Skies (Quark) Kathy Raimey Still Life Still Moving (Spiral Soundcase) Keith Berry track 1 The That Was Sold To a Fish (Infraction) Steve Roach The Green Place Quiet Music (Projekt) Part II * Synth.nl Launchpad Apollo (Groove) Synth.nl Apollo 7 Apollo (Groove) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Synth.nl Staging Apollo (Groove) Synth.nl Apollo 8 Apollo (Groove) Synth.nl Orbit Apollo (Groove) Synth.nl Apollo 9 Apollo (Groove) Synth.nl Docking Apollo (Groove) Synth.nl Apollo 11 Apollo (Groove) Synth.nl Earthrise Apollo (Groove) Synth.nl Apollo 13 Apollo (Groove) Synth.nl Reentry Apollo (Groove) Synth.nl Splashdown Apollo (Groove) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll began a month-long focus on Dan Pound. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Impressions" on Poundsounds. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2011/focus.html#dec Bill ======================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST/GMT-5 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info Listen to WDIY at http://wdiy.org/listen on-line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 27 18:16:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCE42183473; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 18:16:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ItSgKUvEgpuArvFeGcEX9ho8h0+4pTt73K5WgrMP114= c=1 sm=0 a=0OxavbBLKS0A:10 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=A2bGdCcTAAAA:8 a=IwxQdCL2AAAA:8 a=yJpT7fFDAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=FcAFIstCAAAA:8 a=ogOpbNquAAAA:8 a=hkeMsDM_JbtFvV2yexwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=NV0LgFqsyRYA:10 a=8Gchq5lFNVBZvuyJ:21 a=7yclqjozoCHNQ-OW:21 a=iYL6Vh7aP6Ek8q+EW1CzcA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Re: Boss PS-6 as a tool for looped bass. References: <4ED207FB.3060502@tiscali.co.uk> From: chaz worm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 13:16:32 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 18:16:36 +0000 (UTC) I was gonna recommend getting a super low harmonica instead of electronicall= y shifting the frequency but i think it was a YouTube clip of you that turne= d me on to the super low Seydel harmonica. I went out immediately and got an= A. I wouldn't whole heartedly endorse mine though because I'm having a problem o= =3D f the lower reeds sticking.=3D20 Their sound is incredible though.=3D20 For harmony shifting I love my electro harmonic POG pedal.=3D20 Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo Earth, Worm, &, Fire and Electric Light Opry http://ChazWorm.com http://ELOpry.com http://HankZeppelin.com http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm On Nov 27, 2011, at 6:58 AM, Boris Plotnikov wrote: > Thanks for response. I'm familiar with MicroPOG and I like it, but I > dislike it's size (yes it's micro, but still bigger than regular boss > pedal, I have no enough room in my pedalboard) and I like extra > features of PS-6 (detune, s-bend) which MicroPOG lacks while it have > the same features (octave lower, octave higher and both together), the > only differences that in microPOG it's possible to change level of > each tone (dry, oct down, oct up) while it's impossible with PS-6. >=20 > 2011/11/27 andy butler : >> Boris Plotnikov wrote: >>=20 >>> I also thought about MicroPOG but it's a bit bigger in size and have >>> no more features except octaves. >>>=20 >>=20 >> The MicroPog lower octave tracks very fast. >> ...but has it's own sound you may not like. >> (the high octave is delayed a bit...and out of tune). >>=20 >> The electro harmonix Octave Multiplexer only does >> octave down, and won't work with chords, >> but it has by far the best sound for bass lines. >>=20 >>=20 >> andy >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Thanks, Boris Plotnikov > http://borisplotnikov.ru >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 27 18:27:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2871F183478; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 18:27:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=iGeREb6FBXSgGYl/SYrHlAR1sOO5piMDaAuHcgIUIek=; b=SpXYU5JCr1ZZY+bCzgz/ZhoJMrxVVUqirwz2MZoOtW5sZ3FNLvEhcxtjEJr+tPxdKx lffSkJfQaXNmUJUACbz3POrcyDp3C3ufy0exB29SW2WbF96uO7JSWRyglE9f6lOR8wpW MUtxT/mQW+RBIRWfFdtYAPqvR6WRbYz8viLac= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4ED207FB.3060502@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 12:27:13 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Boss PS-6 as a tool for looped bass. From: Mike Fugazzi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba3fcc33f9d2c004b2bb88e9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 18:27:16 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba3fcc33f9d2c004b2bb88e9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >From direct experience - Boss OC 2 or the octaver on my M13 work great for this. The EHX stuff is delayed and will kill timing your loops. My loops are usually all more than one bar and I have no problems. I also have low harps down to LLF, but usually hum bass lines. The key for me is using a Tech 21 pedal to eq the bass/beatboxing so I get a huge bass and bass drum tone without clipping my amp. I send a direct line to my amp and then the Tech 21 line to the board. I can get a good tone w/o the 21, but it then makes my amp rattle and fart out. Straight to PA it works great. I have clips and demos at youtube.com/user/mikefugazzi. Sent from my phone, Mike On Nov 27, 2011 5:58 AM, "Boris Plotnikov" wrote: > Thanks for response. I'm familiar with MicroPOG and I like it, but I > dislike it's size (yes it's micro, but still bigger than regular boss > pedal, I have no enough room in my pedalboard) and I like extra > features of PS-6 (detune, s-bend) which MicroPOG lacks while it have > the same features (octave lower, octave higher and both together), the > only differences that in microPOG it's possible to change level of > each tone (dry, oct down, oct up) while it's impossible with PS-6. > > 2011/11/27 andy butler : > > Boris Plotnikov wrote: > > > >> I also thought about MicroPOG but it's a bit bigger in size and have > >> no more features except octaves. > >> > > > > The MicroPog lower octave tracks very fast. > > ...but has it's own sound you may not like. > > (the high octave is delayed a bit...and out of tune). > > > > The electro harmonix Octave Multiplexer only does > > octave down, and won't work with chords, > > but it has by far the best sound for bass lines. > > > > > > andy > > > > > > > > -- > Thanks, Boris Plotnikov > http://borisplotnikov.ru > > --90e6ba3fcc33f9d2c004b2bb88e9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

From direct experience - Boss OC 2 or the octaver on my M13 work great f= or this.=A0 The EHX stuff is delayed and will kill timing your loops.=A0 My= loops are usually all more than one bar and I have no problems.

I also have low harps down to LLF, but usually hum bass lines.=A0 The ke= y for me is using a Tech 21 pedal to eq the bass/beatboxing so I get a huge= bass and bass drum tone without clipping my amp. I send a direct line to m= y amp and then the Tech 21 line to the board.

I can get a good tone w/o the 21, but it then makes my amp rattle and fa= rt out.=A0 Straight to PA it works great.

I have clips and demos at youtube.com/user/mikefugazzi.=A0
Sent from my phone,

Mike

On Nov 27, 2011 5:58 AM, "Boris Plotnikov&q= uot; <ploboris@gmail.com> w= rote:
Thanks for response. I'm familiar with MicroPOG and I like it, but I dislike it's size (yes it's micro, but still bigger than regular bo= ss
pedal, I have no enough room in my pedalboard) and I like extra
features of PS-6 (detune, s-bend) which MicroPOG lacks while it have
the same features (octave lower, octave higher and both together), the
only differences that in microPOG it's possible to change level of
each tone (dry, oct down, oct up) while it's impossible with PS-6.

2011/11/27 andy butler <akbutl= er@tiscali.co.uk>:
> Boris Plotnikov wrote:
>
>> =A0I also thought about MicroPOG but it's a bit bigger in size= and have
>> no more features except octaves.
>>
>
> The MicroPog lower octave tracks very fast.
> ...but has it's own sound you may not like.
> (the high octave is delayed a bit...and out of tune).
>
> The electro harmonix Octave Multiplexer only does
> octave down, and won't work with chords,
> but it has by far the best sound for bass lines.
>
>
> andy
>
>



--
Thanks, Boris Plotnikov
http://borisplotniko= v.ru

--90e6ba3fcc33f9d2c004b2bb88e9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 27 19:07:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C684183477; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 19:07:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=LXwHBA0TkP9dI4Anr07KoF0LIFJxMoKvUSK6y84wOIU=; b=CGMBCQNi6uG1LZEovnnvqU8Wecxg1SY82L9AfNqChDZQFikvn7kAdijzhQ8m+CEM3q Okuub7KuZ5fK9xs8wJYHBiGq/dXOnU1Z2LmX+NdUDiPjxB6OleJUbf4nwYsnN+E5ELwy Pyu/zWR5OTDdmz+LoeOXYBBFofgP8XCiVq/cA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4ED207FB.3060502@tiscali.co.uk> From: Mike Fugazzi Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 13:07:05 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Boss PS-6 as a tool for looped bass. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f2353ffc64a2d04b2bc185e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 19:07:28 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f2353ffc64a2d04b2bc185e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Excuse me if this is a double post. I tried from my phone, but it says it didn't send. >From direct experience: My suggestion is the Boss OC-2. I tried the EHX stuff, but the only thing that has tracked well has been the OC-2 and the Octaver on my M13. The EHX stuff was too slow in tracking, essentially making it useless. What I do is use Tech 21 Bass Para DI. That way, I can eq the beatboxing and bass lines (which I usually hum). It sounds fantastic live. I have YouTube clips from home that sound ok, but it is a killer live set up. I could go straight to PA without it and still get a good sound. Running it to an amp sounds horrible, though. The OC-2 is flexible in settings. I never use the two octaves down. I only need the one octave lower turned to maybe 12. It has no trouble tracking my voice at all. I do a lot of songs with bass lines that are more than one or two bars. Hey Joe and Crazy come to mind. On Hey Joe, I sing a whole progression for the bass line and have no tracking issues. For Crazy, I play the harmonica (regular Bb) and use the Boss to bring it down. I have low keys all the way to LLF and find that using an octaver sounds much more like a real bass and creates more space for the harmonica. I typically solo using low harps too, though. ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 12:16 PM, chaz worm wrote: > I was gonna recommend getting a super low harmonica instead of > electronically shifting the frequency but i think it was a YouTube clip of > you that turned me on to the super low Seydel harmonica. I went out > immediately and got an A. > I wouldn't whole heartedly endorse mine though because I'm having a > problem o= > f the lower reeds sticking.=20 > Their sound is incredible though.=20 > For harmony shifting I love my electro harmonic POG pedal.=20 > > Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo > Earth, Worm, &, Fire and > Electric Light Opry > http://ChazWorm.com > http://ELOpry.com > http://HankZeppelin.com > http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm > > > On Nov 27, 2011, at 6:58 AM, Boris Plotnikov wrote: > > > Thanks for response. I'm familiar with MicroPOG and I like it, but I > > dislike it's size (yes it's micro, but still bigger than regular boss > > pedal, I have no enough room in my pedalboard) and I like extra > > features of PS-6 (detune, s-bend) which MicroPOG lacks while it have > > the same features (octave lower, octave higher and both together), the > > only differences that in microPOG it's possible to change level of > > each tone (dry, oct down, oct up) while it's impossible with PS-6. > > > > 2011/11/27 andy butler : > >> Boris Plotnikov wrote: > >> > >>> I also thought about MicroPOG but it's a bit bigger in size and have > >>> no more features except octaves. > >>> > >> > >> The MicroPog lower octave tracks very fast. > >> ...but has it's own sound you may not like. > >> (the high octave is delayed a bit...and out of tune). > >> > >> The electro harmonix Octave Multiplexer only does > >> octave down, and won't work with chords, > >> but it has by far the best sound for bass lines. > >> > >> > >> andy > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Thanks, Boris Plotnikov > > http://borisplotnikov.ru > > > > --e89a8f2353ffc64a2d04b2bc185e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Excuse me if this is a double post.=A0 I tried from my phone, but it says i= t didn't send.

From direct experience:

My suggestion is t= he Boss OC-2.=A0 I tried the EHX stuff, but the only thing that has tracked= well has been the OC-2 and the Octaver on my M13.=A0 The EHX stuff was too= slow in tracking, essentially making it useless.=A0

What I do is use Tech 21 Bass Para DI.=A0 That way, I can eq the beatbo= xing and bass lines (which I usually hum).=A0 It sounds fantastic live.=A0 = I have YouTube clips from home that sound ok, but it is a killer live set u= p.=A0 I could go straight to PA without it and still get a good sound.=A0 R= unning it to an amp sounds horrible, though.

The OC-2 is flexible in settings.=A0 I never use the two octaves down.= =A0 I only need the one octave lower turned to maybe 12.=A0 It has no troub= le tracking my voice at all.=A0 I do a lot of songs with bass lines that ar= e more than one or two bars.=A0 Hey Joe and Crazy come to mind.=A0 On Hey J= oe, I sing a whole progression for the bass line and have no tracking issue= s. For Crazy, I play the harmonica (regular Bb) and use the Boss to bring i= t down.

I have low keys all the way to LLF and find that using an octaver sound= s much more like a real bass and creates more space for the harmonica.=A0 I= typically solo using low harps too, though.
---------- Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTube
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 12:16 PM, chaz w= orm <chaz= @earthwormandfire.com> wrote:
I was gonna recommend getting a super low harmonica instead of electronical= ly shifting the frequency but i think it was a YouTube clip of you that tur= ned me on to the super low Seydel harmonica. I went out immediately and got= an A.
I wouldn't whole heartedly endorse mine though because I'm having a= problem o=3D
f the lower reeds sticking.=3D20
Their sound is incredible though.=3D20
For harmony shifting I love my electro harmonic POG pedal.=3D20

Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo
Earth, Worm, &, Fire and
Electric Light Opry
http://ChazWorm.com http://ELOpry.com
http://HankZeppelin.c= om
http://YouTube.co= m/ChazWorm


On Nov 27, 2011, at 6:58 AM, Boris Plotnikov <ploboris@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for response. I'm familiar with MicroPOG and I like it, but= I
> dislike it's size (yes it's micro, but still bigger than regul= ar boss
> pedal, I have no enough room in my pedalboard) and I like extra
> features of PS-6 (detune, s-bend) which MicroPOG lacks while it have > the same features (octave lower, octave higher and both together), the=
> only differences that in microPOG it's possible to change level of=
> each tone (dry, oct down, oct up) while it's impossible with PS-6.=
>
> 2011/11/27 andy butler <a= kbutler@tiscali.co.uk>:
>> Boris Plotnikov wrote:
>>
>>> =A0I also thought about MicroPOG but it's a bit bigger in = size and have
>>> no more features except octaves.
>>>
>>
>> The MicroPog lower octave tracks very fast.
>> ...but has it's own sound you may not like.
>> (the high octave is delayed a bit...and out of tune).
>>
>> The electro harmonix Octave Multiplexer only does
>> octave down, and won't work with chords,
>> but it has by far the best sound for bass lines.
>>
>>
>> andy
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks, Boris Plotnikov
> http://borisplo= tnikov.ru
>


--e89a8f2353ffc64a2d04b2bc185e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 27 21:15:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0183C183489; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 21:15:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 702651520/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.188.146/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.188.146 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAJ6n0k5V0ryS/2dsb2JhbAAMOK1+AQEBAwE4QAYLCxgJFg8JAwIBAgFFHAGIAbRKh02DFQSZdoxf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,579,1315177200"; d="scan'208";a="702651520" Message-ID: <4ED2A860.7060705@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 21:15:12 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss PS-6 as a tool for looped bass. References: <4ED207FB.3060502@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 21:15:06 +0000 (UTC) Mike Fugazzi wrote: > From direct experience - Boss OC 2 or the octaver on my M13 work great > for this. Disadvantage of the OC2 is that the sound of the dry signal when the fx is on is very poor. (I never used the one I had much because in bypass my sound was significantly degraded) afaik the OC2 is replaced by the OC3, which on a brief trial didn't seem to suffer the faults of the OC2 mentioned above. > The EHX stuff is delayed and will kill timing your loops. I use the Octave Multiplexer all the time, no delay. ...but that's on guitar. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 27 21:21:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37E61183479; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 21:21:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=o4IeH2WM+/HtbaqJVkUeEH6oPS8iNiidJnHJ4zjdZPY=; b=UZfkILZBDWaTnwBiXh6FtlVzJ7ooTxLnDXXUodKy6GfaIwyAi2+41oNGwVO5GoG+zL Hrg/WQVAqQ2li+5KRNAAR2CdnA4JMPzsn0vFtTPAOOHG2naUCS+KDPrYm1D40FOZSdKA 6rA8haU/6+9pkZwp1nPK7ck0JjwoW9C9uyT+Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4ED2A860.7060705@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4ED207FB.3060502@tiscali.co.uk> <4ED2A860.7060705@tiscali.co.uk> From: Mike Fugazzi Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 15:21:08 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Boss PS-6 as a tool for looped bass. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e819e2ca6a704b2bdf82a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 21:21:30 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e819e2ca6a704b2bdf82a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I use the OC-2 with the dry totally off. ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 3:15 PM, andy butler wrote: > > > Mike Fugazzi wrote: > >> From direct experience - Boss OC 2 or the octaver on my M13 work great >> for this. >> > > Disadvantage of the OC2 is that the sound of the dry signal > when the fx is on is very poor. > > (I never used the one I had much because in bypass > my sound was significantly degraded) > > afaik the OC2 is replaced by the OC3, which on a brief trial > didn't seem to suffer the faults of the OC2 mentioned above. > > The EHX stuff is delayed and will kill timing your loops. >> > > I use the Octave Multiplexer all the time, no delay. > ...but that's on guitar. > > > > andy > > --90e6ba6e819e2ca6a704b2bdf82a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I use the OC-2 with the dry totally off.
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Mik= e Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
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On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 3:15 PM, andy bu= tler <akbutl= er@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:


Mike Fugazzi wrote:
=A0From direct experience - Boss OC 2 or the octaver on my M13 work great f= or this.

Disadvantage of the OC2 is that the sound of the dry signal
when the fx is on is very poor.

(I never used the one I had =A0much because in bypass
my sound was significantly degraded)

afaik the OC2 is replaced by the OC3, which on a brief trial
didn't seem to suffer the faults of the OC2 mentioned above.

The EHX stuff is delayed and will kill timing your loops.

I use the Octave Multiplexer all the time, no delay.
...but that's on guitar.=



andy


--90e6ba6e819e2ca6a704b2bdf82a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 27 21:56:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E584183478; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 21:56:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=wi2J7rgTjtt66PGN7+JMAiX4/IqmFavmjTO+nE+rCy4= c=1 sm=0 a=0OxavbBLKS0A:10 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=A2bGdCcTAAAA:8 a=IwxQdCL2AAAA:8 a=yJpT7fFDAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=FcAFIstCAAAA:8 a=Ug9DgCaVHXWz0K9W3sAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=NV0LgFqsyRYA:10 a=iYL6Vh7aP6Ek8q+EW1CzcA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Re: Boss PS-6 as a tool for looped bass. References: <4ED207FB.3060502@tiscali.co.uk> <4ED2A860.7060705@tiscali.co.uk> From: chaz worm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: <4ED2A860.7060705@tiscali.co.uk> Message-Id: <8E2BB248-D06E-43E8-A6F5-BF0F626BDF26@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 16:56:53 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 21:56:59 +0000 (UTC) I almost hate to give my opinion on these matters because y'alls ears are so= much better than mine and tend to operate on a whole different level.=20 I had an OC2 and I found it unacceptable for even my ridiculously low standa= rds. I hated it.=20 I went to the nearest used equipment store to find a replacement.=20 The salesman gave a glowing endorsement of a POG pedal built by Electro-Harm= onix, who when I started in the early 80s was generally regarded as a crap b= rand.=20 Apparently they really got their act together cause after a brief test I gla= dly paid 125 for a used EH pedal. I thought I should have had my head examin= e but my sound engineer (drummer) gave it another glowing endorsement and to= ld me about it.=20 I generally use it to lay down bass drum thumps off my banjo head. I've also= used it in various occasions hooked up to my minstrel banjo. It makes a pre= tty good upright tone in that configuration.=20 The "upper" octave isn't nearly as usable as the lower octave. Much like the= double lower octave on the OC2 isn't too useful either.=20 I've never tried any rack mounted octave effects. I already have a ridiculou= s enough banjo setup. Rack units would just be too over-the-top. Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo Earth, Worm, &, Fire and Electric Light Opry http://ChazWorm.com http://ELOpry.com http://HankZeppelin.com http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm On Nov 27, 2011, at 4:15 PM, andy butler wrote: >=20 >=20 > Mike Fugazzi wrote: >> =46rom direct experience - Boss OC 2 or the octaver on my M13 work great f= or this.=20 >=20 > Disadvantage of the OC2 is that the sound of the dry signal > when the fx is on is very poor. >=20 > (I never used the one I had much because in bypass > my sound was significantly degraded) >=20 > afaik the OC2 is replaced by the OC3, which on a brief trial > didn't seem to suffer the faults of the OC2 mentioned above. >=20 >> The EHX stuff is delayed and will kill timing your loops.=20 >=20 > I use the Octave Multiplexer all the time, no delay. > ...but that's on guitar. >=20 >=20 >=20 > andy >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 27 22:06:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5067183486; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:06:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Z9mSKdKW0knMP/ejzX89G8k5ZPRw+/3y9XrsZZBrKzU=; b=UzgMznMElCIy3DB8k9OBtRdenJevBkG5yM3soXWS+e5115dPQZvcsq6qmR+2rCeggn SRegW36hwMIuAVdMS+CeSZpfEtRainesgZ7C1mkkmXoTxWBxiC7mEkOaQr7pVhnZIV0C dmVz96rmjttWBxcHSBpfgyA+eN58UZNMGy6SM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8E2BB248-D06E-43E8-A6F5-BF0F626BDF26@earthwormandfire.com> References: <4ED207FB.3060502@tiscali.co.uk> <4ED2A860.7060705@tiscali.co.uk> <8E2BB248-D06E-43E8-A6F5-BF0F626BDF26@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 16:06:49 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Boss PS-6 as a tool for looped bass. From: Mike Fugazzi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e819e5a347004b2be9ac3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:06:50 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e819e5a347004b2be9ac3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 OC-2 is inferior in every way other than for humming bass lines, imho. Sent from my phone, Mike On Nov 27, 2011 3:56 PM, "chaz worm" wrote: > I almost hate to give my opinion on these matters because y'alls ears are > so much better than mine and tend to operate on a whole different level. > I had an OC2 and I found it unacceptable for even my ridiculously low > standards. I hated it. > I went to the nearest used equipment store to find a replacement. > The salesman gave a glowing endorsement of a POG pedal built by > Electro-Harmonix, who when I started in the early 80s was generally > regarded as a crap brand. > Apparently they really got their act together cause after a brief test I > gladly paid 125 for a used EH pedal. I thought I should have had my head > examine but my sound engineer (drummer) gave it another glowing endorsement > and told me about it. > I generally use it to lay down bass drum thumps off my banjo head. I've > also used it in various occasions hooked up to my minstrel banjo. It makes > a pretty good upright tone in that configuration. > The "upper" octave isn't nearly as usable as the lower octave. Much like > the double lower octave on the OC2 isn't too useful either. > > I've never tried any rack mounted octave effects. I already have a > ridiculous enough banjo setup. Rack units would just be too over-the-top. > > Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo > Earth, Worm, &, Fire and > Electric Light Opry > http://ChazWorm.com > http://ELOpry.com > http://HankZeppelin.com > http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm > > > On Nov 27, 2011, at 4:15 PM, andy butler wrote: > > > > > > > Mike Fugazzi wrote: > >> From direct experience - Boss OC 2 or the octaver on my M13 work great > for this. > > > > Disadvantage of the OC2 is that the sound of the dry signal > > when the fx is on is very poor. > > > > (I never used the one I had much because in bypass > > my sound was significantly degraded) > > > > afaik the OC2 is replaced by the OC3, which on a brief trial > > didn't seem to suffer the faults of the OC2 mentioned above. > > > >> The EHX stuff is delayed and will kill timing your loops. > > > > I use the Octave Multiplexer all the time, no delay. > > ...but that's on guitar. > > > > > > > > andy > > > > --90e6ba6e819e5a347004b2be9ac3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

OC-2 is inferior in every way other than for humming bass lines, imho.

Sent from my phone,

Mike

On Nov 27, 2011 3:56 PM, "chaz worm" &= lt;chaz@earthwormandfire.com> wrote:
I almost hate to give my opinion on these matters because y'alls ears a= re so much better than mine and tend to operate on a whole different level.=
I had an OC2 and I found it unacceptable for even my ridiculously low stand= ards. I hated it.
I went to the nearest used equipment store to find a replacement.
The salesman gave a glowing endorsement of a POG pedal built by Electro-Har= monix, who when I started in the early 80s was generally regarded as a crap= brand.
Apparently they really got their act together cause after a brief test I gl= adly paid 125 for a used EH pedal. I thought I should have had my head exam= ine but my sound engineer (drummer) gave it another glowing endorsement and= told me about it.
I generally use it to lay down bass drum thumps off my banjo head. I've= also used it in various occasions hooked up to my minstrel banjo. It makes= a pretty good upright tone in that configuration.
The "upper" octave isn't nearly as usable as the lower octave= . Much like the double lower octave on the OC2 isn't too useful either.=

I've never tried any rack mounted octave effects. I already have a ridi= culous enough banjo setup. Rack units would just be too over-the-top.

Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo
Earth, Worm, &, Fire and
Electric Light Opry
http://ChazWorm.com http://ELOpry.com
http://HankZeppelin.c= om
http://YouTube.co= m/ChazWorm


On Nov 27, 2011, at 4:15 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

>
>
> Mike Fugazzi wrote:
>> From direct experience - Boss OC 2 or the octaver on my M13 work g= reat for this.
>
> Disadvantage of the OC2 is that the sound of the dry signal
> when the fx is on is very poor.
>
> (I never used the one I had =A0much because in bypass
> my sound was significantly degraded)
>
> afaik the OC2 is replaced by the OC3, which on a brief trial
> didn't seem to suffer the faults of the OC2 mentioned above.
>
>> The EHX stuff is delayed and will kill timing your loops.
>
> I use the Octave Multiplexer all the time, no delay.
> ...but that's on guitar.
>
>
>
> andy
>

--90e6ba6e819e5a347004b2be9ac3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 27 22:14:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C418418348C; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:14:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 401 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:14:35 UTC User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.27.0.100910 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:07:50 -0500 Subject: Got a question about looper outputs From: Rod Abernethy To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Got a question about looper outputs Thread-Index: AcytUQCLTr1DDK9z9Ea++c1wHUyPsA== Disposition-Notification-To: rod@rodabernethy.com Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3405258474_1305847" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:14:35 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3405258474_1305847 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hey guys, thanks for letting me join the list. I=B9m looping my guitar and so far using a Line 6 M9 and DL4 for my looping. I=B9m looking for a new looping pedal that has a =B3loop only=B2 output. The reason is that I want to loop a phrase and have only that phrase come out o= f another amp, as if there were another guitar player player from a second amp. Make sense? I can=B9t find a looper that offers that. Do you guys know how to do that? Thanks! Rod --B_3405258474_1305847 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Got a question about looper outputs Hey guys, thanks for lettin= g me join the list.

I’m looping my guitar and so far using a Line 6 M9 and DL4 for my loo= ping.  

I’m looking for a new looping pedal that has a “loop only”= ; output.  The reason is that I want to loop a phrase and have only tha= t phrase come out of another amp, as if there were another guitar player pla= yer from a second amp.  Make sense?  I can’t find a looper t= hat offers that.  

Do you guys know how to do that?

Thanks!
Rod

 --B_3405258474_1305847-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 27 22:36:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74D04183463; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:36:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Boss PS-6 as a tool for looped bass. From: Mark Hamburg In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 14:36:56 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4ED207FB.3060502@tiscali.co.uk> <4ED2A860.7060705@tiscali.co.uk> <8E2BB248-D06E-43E8-A6F5-BF0F626BDF26@earthwormandfire.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:36:59 +0000 (UTC) No experience with the real thing, but I think one of the Line6 octave = shift models is based on the EBS OctaBass and I liked it in my brief = experiments. (The Line6 suboctave fuzz =97 based on a PAiA pedal =97 used to be a = staple of my signal chain.) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 27 23:22:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FD62183478; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 23:22:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4ED2C605.1010705@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 15:21:41 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boris Plotnikov CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Boss PS-6 as a tool for looped bass. References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 23:22:00 +0000 (UTC) For what it's worth, I've tried every small stomp box solution on the market for down octaving (and with every conceivable kind of instrument, from acoustic/electric strings to kalimbas to percussion, et. al.) and I have to say that the pedal with the best response and most natural sound that I've encountered is, ironically and happily, the cheapest one on the market. It's called the Danelectro Chili Dog. It's set up exactly like the Boss Octaver but tracks far better and sounds more natural (less artifacts). You have separate volume control of initial sound (dry), one octave down and two octaves down. Anecdotally, when the famous Norwegian bassist, Arild Andersen came to headline the looping festival a few years back, he requested that I provide him with a Boss OC-2 for his performance. I owned one at the time and sent it over to his hotel room along with the Chili Dog to also try out. After using the Chili Dog he made me sell him mine..............lol. that's a pretty ringing endorsement (especially from someone playing an electric upright). The good news: only $35 or $40 USD with the same footprint as a Boss pedal. I do also really like the PS-6, especially because of it's versatility, but the bass sound is not as good as the Chili Dog, imho. Rick Walker On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Boris Plotnikov wrote: > Thanks for response. I'm familiar with MicroPOG and I like it, but I > dislike it's size (yes it's micro, but still bigger than regular boss > pedal, I have no enough room in my pedalboard) and I like extra > features of PS-6 (detune, s-bend) which MicroPOG lacks while it have > the same features (octave lower, octave higher and both together), the > only differences that in microPOG it's possible to change level of > each tone (dry, oct down, oct up) while it's impossible with PS-6. > > 2011/11/27 andy butler: >> > Boris Plotnikov wrote: >> > >>> >> I also thought about MicroPOG but it's a bit bigger in size and have >>> >> no more features except octaves. >>> >> >> > >> > The MicroPog lower octave tracks very fast. >> > ...but has it's own sound you may not like. >> > (the high octave is delayed a bit...and out of tune). >> > >> > The electro harmonix Octave Multiplexer only does >> > octave down, and won't work with chords, >> > but it has by far the best sound for bass lines. >> > >> > >> > andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 27 23:29:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24EB9183477; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 23:29:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4ED2C7D2.2070906@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 15:29:22 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chaz worm CC: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Re: Boss PS-6 as a tool for looped bass. References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 23:29:43 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, chaz worm wrote: > For harmony shifting I love my electro harmonic POG pedal.=20 I love my micro POG, too, but I have to say that the caveat here is that it is synthesizing the pitches NOT harmonizing them from everything I've been told and from everything I've heard. The micro POG can really thicken stuff up, nicely and creates wicked cool results when running a guitar through it and then into a distortion or fuzz pedal. I once saw Scout Nibblet play her little Fender Mustang through a POG running into a Big Muff...............wow, what a nasty and huge rock and roll sound that was. I still say the Danelectro Chili Dog is the bomb for bass octave harmonizing. I A-Bed them with the Boss OC-2, the Boss PS-5 and PS-6 and the original Digitech Red Whammy searching for my own solution. The 'Dog' had the best tracking and the most natural sounding bass, imho. rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 27 23:32:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8769B183477; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 23:32:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4ED2C862.4090101@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 15:31:46 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andy butler CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Boss PS-6 as a tool for looped bass. References: <4ED2A860.7060705@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ED2A860.7060705@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 23:32:06 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, andy butler wrote: > I use the Octave Multiplexer all the time, no delay. > ...but that's on guitar. > > > > andy not familiar with that one, Andy..........who makes it? rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 27 23:43:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A03EC183477; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 23:43:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=NIDFZj16GMs5n+e7kwrQyVI0cZ+dE+9Haiwo7UQL4u8=; b=e5ttRfjU1H1kledIWDLg3U9cgTjDZbj4QfpjdGweIXxvnsWAv+jWAcp3R4yRWVF1qB z5H2HN7q3UIa4U7RHAYptatTn30wwevs9P1stjVIk7kJGuQBPeQgOxp6QZEjXFTzKGR4 V2oisTqOHgonOWPUBdOeTADWJDvuyrlTtQVEg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4ED2C605.1010705@cruzio.com> References: <4ED2C605.1010705@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:43:19 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Boss PS-6 as a tool for looped bass. From: Mike Fugazzi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e819e73ab6504b2bff3fa Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 23:43:20 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e819e73ab6504b2bff3fa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I am so going to get a Chili Dog! Thank! Sent from my phone, Mike On Nov 27, 2011 5:22 PM, "Rick Walker" wrote: > For what it's worth, I've tried every small stomp box solution on the > market for down octaving > (and with every conceivable kind of instrument, from acoustic/electric > strings to kalimbas to percussion, et. al.) > and I have to say that the pedal with the best response and most natural > sound that I've encountered is, ironically and happily, the cheapest one > on the market. > > It's called the Danelectro Chili Dog. > > It's set up exactly like the Boss Octaver but tracks far better and sounds > more natural > (less artifacts). > > You have separate volume control of initial sound (dry), one octave down > and two octaves down. > > Anecdotally, when the famous Norwegian bassist, Arild Andersen came to > headline the looping > festival a few years back, he requested that I provide him with a Boss > OC-2 for his performance. > > I owned one at the time and sent it over to his hotel room along with the > Chili Dog to also try out. > After using the Chili Dog he made me sell him mine..............lol. > > that's a pretty ringing endorsement (especially from someone playing an > electric upright). > > The good news: only $35 or $40 USD with the same footprint as a Boss > pedal. > > I do also really like the PS-6, especially because of it's versatility, > but the bass sound is not > as good as the Chili Dog, imho. > > Rick Walker > > > > > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Boris Plotnikov wrote: > >> Thanks for response. I'm familiar with MicroPOG and I like it, but I >> dislike it's size (yes it's micro, but still bigger than regular boss >> pedal, I have no enough room in my pedalboard) and I like extra >> features of PS-6 (detune, s-bend) which MicroPOG lacks while it have >> the same features (octave lower, octave higher and both together), the >> only differences that in microPOG it's possible to change level of >> each tone (dry, oct down, oct up) while it's impossible with PS-6. >> >> 2011/11/27 andy butler**: >> >>> > Boris Plotnikov wrote: >>> > >>> >>>> >> I also thought about MicroPOG but it's a bit bigger in size and >>>> have >>>> >> no more features except octaves. >>>> >> >>>> >>> > >>> > The MicroPog lower octave tracks very fast. >>> > ...but has it's own sound you may not like. >>> > (the high octave is delayed a bit...and out of tune). >>> > >>> > The electro harmonix Octave Multiplexer only does >>> > octave down, and won't work with chords, >>> > but it has by far the best sound for bass lines. >>> > >>> > >>> > andy >>> >> > --90e6ba6e819e73ab6504b2bff3fa Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am so going to get a Chili Dog!=A0 Thank!

Sent from my phone,

Mike

On Nov 27, 2011 5:22 PM, "Rick Walker"= <looppool@cruzio.com> wro= te:
For what it's worth, I've tried every small stomp box solution on t= he market for down octaving
(and with every conceivable kind of instrument, from acoustic/electric stri= ngs to kalimbas to percussion, et. al.)
and I have to say that the pedal with the best response and most natural sound that I've encountered is, ironically and happily, =A0the cheapest= one on the market.

It's called the Danelectro Chili Dog.

It's set up exactly like the Boss Octaver but tracks far better and sou= nds more natural
(less artifacts).

You have separate volume control of initial sound (dry), one octave down an= d two octaves down.

Anecdotally, =A0when the famous Norwegian bassist, Arild Andersen came to h= eadline the looping
festival a few years back, =A0he requested that I provide him with a Boss O= C-2 for his performance.

I owned one at the time and sent it over to his hotel room along with the C= hili Dog to also try out.
After using the Chili Dog he made me sell him mine..............lol.

that's a pretty ringing endorsement (especially from someone playing an= electric upright).

The good news: =A0 =A0only $35 or $40 =A0USD with the same footprint as a B= oss pedal.

I do also really like the PS-6, especially because of it's versatility,= but the bass sound is not
as good as the Chili Dog, imho.

Rick Walker




On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Boris Plotnikov wrote:
Thanks for response. I'm familiar with MicroPOG and I like it, but I dislike it's size (yes it's micro, but still bigger than regular bo= ss
pedal, I have no enough room in my pedalboard) and I like extra
features of PS-6 (detune, s-bend) which MicroPOG lacks while it have
the same features (octave lower, octave higher and both together), the
only differences that in microPOG it's possible to change level of
each tone (dry, oct down, oct up) while it's impossible with PS-6.

2011/11/27 andy butler<akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>:
> =A0Boris Plotnikov wrote:
>
>> =A0 =A0I also thought about MicroPOG but it's a bit bigger in = size and have
>> =A0no more features except octaves.
>>
>
> =A0The MicroPog lower octave tracks very fast.
> =A0...but has it's own sound you may not like.
> =A0(the high octave is delayed a bit...and out of tune).
>
> =A0The electro harmonix Octave Multiplexer only does
> =A0octave down, and won't work with chords,
> =A0but it has by far the best sound for bass lines.
>
>
> =A0andy

--90e6ba6e819e73ab6504b2bff3fa-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 27 23:54:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3668183478; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 23:54:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=VrNszna9IoUaBlzcdd7jkHukaTg9SsYgfhQp/e6+bo0=; b=A2jQk1KQrodPTkv++AVuoWiIkd1t4lboZvUfkc830cX2hIs8QXDF0wtvF2JbOcQjV9 /z/K93mrdBkH6tqk0eEnCOM6JUeXTVIq1hsAR63bd4Sr9vcdI911EPLgKnD0pg+XiRMd TUFKAwDfyx90/MB8wTc47bya8xUQJdHitb6Kk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 00:54:14 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Got a question about looper outputs From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 23:54:15 +0000 (UTC) It usually the same output but controlled by a dry/wet balance function. But you can achieve what you need by using a little mixer. Set the looper output to wet only and use the mixer to balance between guitar signal and loop signal. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:07 PM, Rod Abernethy wrot= e: > Hey guys, thanks for letting me join the list. > > I=E2=80=99m looping my guitar and so far using a Line 6 M9 and DL4 for my= looping. > > I=E2=80=99m looking for a new looping pedal that has a =E2=80=9Cloop only= =E2=80=9D output. =C2=A0The > reason is that I want to loop a phrase and have only that phrase come out= of > another amp, as if there were another guitar player player from a second > amp. =C2=A0Make sense? =C2=A0I can=E2=80=99t find a looper that offers th= at. > > Do you guys know how to do that? > > Thanks! > Rod > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 28 00:02:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E171183478; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 00:02:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=pikbPyKVpFf8b4hA8Uw9AMzDY4WrHTUvA755iy0HX1Y=; b=GwCHrAPSLfMtaLdGYq1u3kvNm0BDl5tYo3jSP5Y89TkjBBpwtqGgLB3QAnq6wqSdIi qBx6bFwQsOzXx3JSIMj+MRp/DCeTLGbXRDI1r21PSm8BPkr/A4zEzRKb2M4lWwlsE6KU 00l2H8yd0u+IXs+c0PSM3X7BtmmWCyR28WvMk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 00:02:43 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Got a question about looper outputs From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 00:02:44 +0000 (UTC) if you do want a separate looper, some have extra outputs, like the akai headrush and the looperlative lp-1 which will allow you to send dry signal along one path and the looped signal along another sim On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:54 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > It usually the same output but controlled by a dry/wet balance > function. But you can achieve what you need by using a little mixer. > Set the looper output to wet only and use the mixer to balance between > guitar signal and loop signal. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > > On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:07 PM, Rod Abernethy wr= ote: >> Hey guys, thanks for letting me join the list. >> >> I=92m looping my guitar and so far using a Line 6 M9 and DL4 for my loop= ing. >> >> I=92m looking for a new looping pedal that has a =93loop only=94 output.= =A0The >> reason is that I want to loop a phrase and have only that phrase come ou= t of >> another amp, as if there were another guitar player player from a second >> amp. =A0Make sense? =A0I can=92t find a looper that offers that. >> >> Do you guys know how to do that? >> >> Thanks! >> Rod >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 28 00:22:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3EFC183477; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 00:22:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=CKBBFOpPYfBSFfEY1Rl9efxuAv/fdt7oFsWUUq3BrLQ= c=1 sm=1 a=Zq2FpVYgtBoA:10 a=Dd37Oq0uZNwA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=6wrDOa2Tlcs1iS1ByyX37A==:17 a=gbNtLxI7AAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=dMZfGW12AAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=hAN4z12KAAAA:8 a=cjsemt24RV-NDiCZkh8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=C7DHhaAl7aUA:10 a=6wrDOa2Tlcs1iS1ByyX37A==:117 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.4.0.080122 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 16:12:29 -0800 Subject: Re: Got a question about looper outputs From: Richard Atkinson To: LOOPERS DELIGHT LIST Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Got a question about looper outputs Thread-Index: AcytYmpgqLkaFBlVEeGC4wAWywDfRw== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 00:22:31 +0000 (UTC) The Boomerang III has a 'loop only' option on it's output, depending on which way the cables are inserted into the inputs and outputs. Check out page 18 of the pdf manual here: http://www.boomerangmusic.com/Manuals/E156ManualVersion21.pdf Best, Rich On 11/27/11 3:54 PM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > It usually the same output but controlled by a dry/wet balance > function. But you can achieve what you need by using a little mixer. > Set the looper output to wet only and use the mixer to balance between > guitar signal and loop signal. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:07 PM, Rod Abernethy wr= ote: >> Hey guys, thanks for letting me join the list. >>=20 >> I=B9m looping my guitar and so far using a Line 6 M9 and DL4 for my loopin= g. >>=20 >> I=B9m looking for a new looping pedal that has a =B3loop only=B2 output. =A0The >> reason is that I want to loop a phrase and have only that phrase come ou= t of >> another amp, as if there were another guitar player player from a second >> amp. =A0Make sense? =A0I can=B9t find a looper that offers that. >>=20 >> Do you guys know how to do that? >>=20 >> Thanks! >> Rod >>=20 >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 28 01:14:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82C42183478; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 01:14:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 866478.8826.bm@omp1051.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1322442857; bh=gB3smSbfxhmYlZ+3tU9gW/OH6e7qbET1LaCdmzCnnTA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qsbUXgSRYTlXYxERHeS5ULxCXRLw541sci04DHgABPGF5xQIFD/tLcLKsP+Y3jlC2fWKk+Q4E0NVJ1lO1CHLlgpzGFXZBwyd4YSRlq2e6iZz6XNZpTPT0kmeMQpvsQ+wWK63sbXbKqA6rlnKTxjsBbcRLv6vD/SAs24+PyQEOB4= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BxKSEuY4z3j+veVUM/Cwb4cpk8Z5Ro4g99rwwU+5xGbd4Uw5PA5HS7XH31IKgQP60/AIj7ymmurgJtfPhVLJ88+0PUtYFzpAW5uBc6rQo+yzbij9QC/cZlFJ3h2y4g7YReRg+wn3gx3blAfaOJgbvoIGyMQOXXRH/8otsFrxTrc=; X-YMail-OSG: 0ZhHYdoVM1nkLodBPdzzhOTD.g3BSv89Cxlg0zT1Y6._H_m 8nDITEltl_JuGEcV1lXppCoJKbkYGBNB9Dyw7Vds0kcyW95oTW9e2noYf8HE unMNPjtfr7lPpm30BAAMNB2mL8Ws6wff9THDjEInILXd8FA0uJsf99wGzSk5 shBTsu1ZNx9kEp7E5wc69C0oFL8iN3e8.FVAKzG4OgVkpy0mY4KlneXNAC8t pj3CbXwjrO8JqwRLcLGSflajFCOCI0ln2XgQOsCiKPYWFZUJ9YIBT6zXREjA wl6sq2iBDerfYWXWoS6UudpiIy_ngZT3bENNL7gdE600m19HPux9TCapnC8O fJXuj602W7NZhKMhgFgpyA13iKYuh6UfGNznP7KtU_lCXbP3eq2hPADeJBnU M0LxqW38jCaxHJ2.qE5x6Jx4BmrLybfQv49e775ScZO4NoO2S1Tdbt.86jtn WPMAr.se.Vmn2Cg-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 References: <4ED2C605.1010705@cruzio.com> Message-ID: <1322442857.40869.YahooMailNeo@web160303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:14:17 -0800 (PST) From: ditch wrestler Reply-To: ditch wrestler Subject: Re: Re: Boss PS-6 as a tool for looped bass. To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <4ED2C605.1010705@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="2119117045-1594068208-1322442857=:40869" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 01:14:18 +0000 (UTC) --2119117045-1594068208-1322442857=:40869 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know this is getting slightly off-topic but, as a double bassist, I also = hated the OC-2.=0A=0ABut I'm totally in love with my OC-3, especially on th= e poly setting.=A0 It's especially really gnarly between a fuzz pedal and a= tremolo pedal.=0A=0A=0AOf the Boss PS pedals, I'm partial the PS-2; love t= he shimmer I can get when I crank the feedback in manual mode.=0A=0A=0AJust= my $0.02.=0A=0A=0Athe other ted=0A=A0=0AOr would you sing somethin' differ= ent. Somethin' real. Somethin' *you* felt. Cause I'm telling you right now,= that's the kind of song people want to hear. That's the kind of song that = truly saves people. It ain't got nothin to do with believin' in God, Mr. Ca= sh. It has to do with believin' in yourself. Sam Phillips, "Walk the Line= "=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Rick Walker =0ATo: Boris Plotnikov =0ACc: Loopers-Deligh= t@loopers-delight.com =0ASent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 6:21:41 PM=0ASubje= ct: Re: Re: Boss PS-6 as a tool for looped bass.=0A =0AFor what it's worth,= I've tried every small stomp box solution on the market for down octaving= =0A(and with every conceivable kind of instrument, from acoustic/electric s= trings to kalimbas to percussion, et. al.)=0Aand I have to say that the ped= al with the best response and most natural=0Asound that I've encountered is= , ironically and happily,=A0 the cheapest one on the market.=0A=0AIt's call= ed the Danelectro Chili Dog.=0A=0AIt's set up exactly like the Boss Octaver= but tracks far better and sounds more natural=0A(less artifacts).=0A=0AYou= have separate volume control of initial sound (dry), one octave down and t= wo octaves down.=0A=0AAnecdotally,=A0 when the famous Norwegian bassist, Ar= ild Andersen came to headline the looping=0Afestival a few years back,=A0 h= e requested that I provide him with a Boss OC-2 for his performance.=0A=0AI= owned one at the time and sent it over to his hotel room along with the Ch= ili Dog to also try out.=0AAfter using the Chili Dog he made me sell him mi= ne..............lol.=0A=0Athat's a pretty ringing endorsement (especially f= rom someone playing an electric upright).=0A=0AThe good news:=A0 =A0 only $= 35 or $40=A0 USD with the same footprint as a Boss pedal.=0A=0AI do also re= ally like the PS-6, especially because of it's versatility, but the bass so= und is not=0Aas good as the Chili Dog, imho.=0A=0ARick Walker=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0AOn 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Boris Plotnikov wrote:=0A> Thanks for response. I'm= familiar with MicroPOG and I like it, but I=0A> dislike it's size (yes it'= s micro, but still bigger than regular boss=0A> pedal, I have no enough roo= m in my pedalboard) and I like extra=0A> features of PS-6 (detune, s-bend) = which MicroPOG lacks while it have=0A> the same features (octave lower, oct= ave higher and both together), the=0A> only differences that in microPOG it= 's possible to change level of=0A> each tone (dry, oct down, oct up) while = it's impossible with PS-6.=0A> =0A> 2011/11/27 andy butler:=0A>> >=A0 Boris Plotnikov wrote:=0A>> >=0A>>> >>=A0 =A0 I also tho= ught about MicroPOG but it's a bit bigger in size and have=0A>>> >>=A0 no m= ore features except octaves.=0A>>> >>=0A>> >=0A>> >=A0 The MicroPog lower o= ctave tracks very fast.=0A>> >=A0 ...but has it's own sound you may not lik= e.=0A>> >=A0 (the high octave is delayed a bit...and out of tune).=0A>> >= =0A>> >=A0 The electro harmonix Octave Multiplexer only does=0A>> >=A0 octa= ve down, and won't work with chords,=0A>> >=A0 but it has by far the best s= ound for bass lines.=0A>> >=0A>> >=0A>> >=A0 andy --2119117045-1594068208-1322442857=:40869 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I know thi= s is getting slightly off-topic but, as a double bassist, I also hated the = OC-2.

But I'm totally in= love with my OC-3, especially on the poly setting.  It's especially r= eally gnarly between a fuzz pedal and a tremolo pedal.

Of the Boss PS pedals, I'm partial the PS-2; love the shimm= er I can get when I crank the feedback in manual mode.
= --Apple-Mail-9-612938844-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 28 22:06:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CCD518348C; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 22:06:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=KJo/d2EWbOvQIHt7kihb0o5cabFSqDNbxWDJJ+f5nhU=; b=xfRCfPwNYAJQ1mBVMR/ttcrVu/ijhxP54XwnUV7o8MyKEWwOWdoGQpb0TCsF43G7Bu T9KdWcrfcRph5Z3RhFELHBOFnV33E3IfHl86QXwqvkHR8iyZqJ1U0Men9W3xrKbI2c3C AKsr43r641tQimRYnLdXmbnLMq+PcxUSj0HvA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 23:06:28 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: R594Y-DOyrpGcNZU0Y3jKMus5ew Message-ID: Subject: Roland GR55 - First Impressions review To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0447970127365804b2d2b821 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 22:06:49 +0000 (UTC) --f46d0447970127365804b2d2b821 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi All. Recent sales of neglected gear have resulted in two purchases. The Korg Electribe ESX (As suggested by Philip I believe) and the much lauded Roland GR55 Guitar synth. Lets take that one now, and the drum-machine later. I have had the GR55 for about a month now, and due to work and family commitments, I cant really say that I've delved very deep with it, but here goes. PCM TONES: Per has covered most of the layout of the unit, so I apologize if some of this is repetition, but basically you have 4 main sound sources per patch. 1, the original guitar sound 2. a modeled guitar sound, 3 & 4, Two synth tones. These 2 are PCM samples and vary alot in quality. Some of the sounds seem to be there to tick the "modern synth sound" box. The VCO sync screams and X-mod sounds, some, but not enough, floaty pads, very few grainy sounds...and one or two pling plong sinewave things... all nice.... These immediately got saved into the user area for later tweaking. Theres the "samples", pianos, flutes., strings etc... Hmmm... OK the cello is nice, and thankfully ONE strings patch is usable... not ONE good piano.. NONE!! and wait for it.. gazzilions of organs.. AND THEN... theres the same old set of totally unusable shit that they always stuff into these things.. you know the Do-Whop Skat singing the general midi banjos, the fucking pan-pipes and wait for it wait for it.. those bastard Phili stabs... who uses them? you tell me? PCM TONES PLAYABILITY OK, Main problem with the "New sounds" like the Acid Basses and Syncs are that... YOU CANT PLAY THOSE SOUNDS FROM A GUITAR... They only sound good if they are sequenced, tightly and fast.. not by some sloppy old hacks stubby fingers.. which brings me to my main disappointment of the unit, one that I knew about from before my purchase: No Arpegiator. Many of you have heard me sing the praises of the GR30s Arp, and my love of Arps in general. The only way (IMHO) one can really handle the idea of Live Looping via midi instruments, at least with hardware. So...Why a company REMOVES functionality from units instead of improving it, is a total mystery to me. With the addition of that one single (admittedly fiddly and complex) function, suddenly many many more sounds become usable, as you can now sound like that sound should be. Its NOT enough just to HAVE that sound, but played on guitar... many sounds, sound like they do BECAUSE of the WAY it is played, not the timbre itself. I for example seriously USE the xylophone sounds on the GR 30, because they can sound tight and metronomic, from an arppegiator, but played from the guitar, they miss-fire and double twang and are a bit delayed from the note. So, although everyone has slagged off the GR30, in terms of sounds (yes I had to tweak all them too) The GR30 wins for me.. I dont have as realistic cello, thats true, and that ONE strings patch on the 55 IS TRULY LOVELY, but.. there not enough usable synth tones, not by a long shot. MODELLED TONES: Which brings me to the Modeled sounds.. Oh dear Oh dear... Is THIS what all you VG peeps have been raving about... I hope not. Honestly, I think I have to check my settings and pickup placement here, so I wont be too harsh just yet, but on my Baritone (Yes Im using a baritone.. I expect THAT is the issue here) Im hearing all sorts of double notes, almost like ring modulation, weird clanging, if I play too light, quite interesting in certain situations, but... making my guitar sound like a telecaster... Hmmm I think not... One setting works for me H&H ST (I believe is a Strat with Humbuckers.. really? OK then) EFFECTS: OK... positive Mark... keep it Positive!!! The effects are GREAT.. lots of nice stuff, wont go into detail here, but as an effect unit it works very well for me, LOTS OF LOVELY OPTIONS: Works like this: There are 6 layers of effects. Mod, MFX, Delay, Reverb, Chorus, EQ.. And all can sound at once, with a quite nifty and usable way of routing your 4 sources through each. Basically within the Mod and MFX sections are also many alternative effects, for example Mod has Wah within its section, MFX has a slicer effect. There doesnt seem to be any particular grouping for what effects are in each of these section, maybe MFX are more for the synth tones and Mod for guitar tones.. maybe.. AMP MODELS: But then theres one bit I have missed... Ahem... The Amp models...? Tell me, please.. does anyone use these? ON the VG systems.. do they work for you guys? Cos for me they are JUST HORRIBLE. Just awful over blown harsh tones. I have to say that the years that I actually owned a guitar amp, are long gone.. so... so gone, so i dont know if I would like these sounds more if they were through an amp.. For Instance.. I once owned a Vox AC 30. The 3 versions of this in the GR55, dont sound anything like it... but wait.. the Vox only played nicely when loud.. so I wait till the wife was out then... "Its been a HArd Days night... Thunderbolts and Lightning very very frightning Nah nah na na nah... I feel stupid and contagious Here we are now, entertain us..." I try a medley of all those BIG BIG AC30 songs... OUCH my ears.. my poor bleeding ears!!! It was just too harsh and nasty for me.. ME!! None of the tones from any of the amps are usable. ( I am of course not counting the HUGE SHREDDING amp sounds that are here.. no doubt they are OK.. if not RADICAL, or TIGHT.. or FUCKED-UP.. or whatever the kids are saying these days) OK OK, some of the soft Jazz amps are very nice.. but the lack of good sounding amps, brings a bit of a problem for me.. How do you make your distortion? In the Mod section, there is one effect called OD/DS with many models of distortion boxes... most are good.. Ill stick with the Boss Distortion.. OK.. fine.. usable.. same as my Heavy Metal HM2 pedal.. or the Rat.. Problem though is that if you use THAT for distortion, you cant get at the Wah, or any other sound hidden in the Mod section. Without using an amp model there is no way to make a good clean, (ha ha) NON TONED OUT distortion.. Thats the sounds... But now onto the good stuff... INTERFACE: The interface... total joy. Wonderful big window, simple to find your way around, many many many options. And you need that with all the possibilitys, you are going to pick this pedal off the floor for MOST of the time at home (or sit cross-legged.. not me any more Im afraid. So going thru horrible menus and shift buttons is not good. Here everything is laid out logically and even any illogicallity is shown simply and easily so you can find it and fix it with the minimum of hassle. PICKUP/SWITCHES: There is something a bit wrong with the implementation of the pick-up switches. They havent really decided what the volume control or guitar/synth switch are supposed to do, so it changes on every patch. Meaning that there are some patches that have no volume controI not from the foot-pedal OR the GK Vol. To me its simple, the footpedal should control effects, like wah or pitch shift or where Volume is an effect, and the GK pickup should handle the volume of the modelled guitar tone, OR volume of whole pedal. But.. no... even I cant quite figure out what to do there. On the GR30 it was simple, synth or guitar, and mix... now with 4 (ok 3 if you lump the synth tones) they are really missing a volume control, so... Um.. whay not an extra pedal jack in the back?,, Um there isnt one.. OK.. MISSING IN ACTION: Oh and one more niggling thing missing from the 30 to 55. Silly but important (maybe it IS there in setting , havent found it) That when zooming through patches, the GK switch had a clever way of speeding up the cycling. You could press and hold, patches start counting up, then press the OTHER button as well and it would speed up the counting (jumping 5 or 10 at a time) till you were in the neigbourhood of the patch, then you release the extra button and it goes back to counting normally. VERY handy, if, like me, you never reorganise your patches, just learn the numbers. Now with GR55 you cant do that, no, you literally have to press that ittle button 120 times if you want to scroll up 120 patches... So You better start reorganizing, right from the get go. I am a VERY critical gear head. I have used technology in my music from the very start of my career, and if there one ting I hate its TOO MUCH being stuffed in that is not good enough quality. I do wonder if the programmer guys actually know how to play guitar, or whether they just get emailed a bunch of amp convolutions with a note "Implement these". In my view there is nothing to be ashamed of for a manufacturer producing a simple but wonderful box, with little functionality but brilliant design and no fluff, The Roland GR55 is not that... Its stuffed full with the good, the bad and the ugly. Would I suggest anyone else buy one? HELL YES.. its a gonna be loads a fun! Especially if you like Buckethead or Vie.. (im pretending I even know who these people are now...) But keep yer Amp (if you like those things) and.. well... actually.. keep your guitar synth, you know.. the old one... its still usable! I now have to pluck up the courage to call my guitar tech and see how he feels about installing another hex pickup inside. I now have a GK2 inside and a GK 3 stuck on... need that one put inside... But Im a little afraid... He may kill himself... OH wait.. I nearly forgot...! There's a built in looper... but.. er.. blushes... I havent tried it yet! Mark -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d0447970127365804b2d2b821 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All.

Recent sales of neglected gear have resulted in two purchase= s. The Korg Electribe ESX (As suggested by Philip I believe) and the much l= auded Roland GR55 Guitar synth.
Lets take that one now, and the drum-mac= hine later.
I have had the GR55 for about a month now, and due to work and family commi= tments, I cant really say that I've delved very deep with it, but here = goes.

PCM TONES:
Per has covered most of the layout of the unit, = so I apologize if some of this is repetition, but basically you have 4 main= sound sources per patch. 1, the original guitar sound 2. a modeled guitar = sound, 3 & 4, Two synth tones. These 2 are PCM samples and vary alot in= quality. Some of the sounds seem to be there to tick the "modern synt= h sound" box. The VCO sync screams and X-mod sounds, some, but not eno= ugh, floaty pads, very few grainy sounds...and one or two pling plong sinew= ave things... all nice.... These immediately got saved into the user area f= or later tweaking.
Theres the "samples", pianos, flutes., strings etc... Hmmm... OK = the cello is nice, and thankfully ONE strings patch is usable... not ONE go= od piano.. NONE!! and wait for it.. gazzilions of organs..
AND THEN... t= heres the same old set of totally unusable shit that they always stuff into= these things.. you know the Do-Whop Skat singing the general midi banjos, = the fucking pan-pipes and wait for it wait for it.. those bastard Phili sta= bs... who uses them? you tell me?

PCM TONES PLAYABILITY
OK, Main problem with the "New sounds&quo= t; like the Acid Basses and Syncs are that... YOU CANT PLAY THOSE SOUNDS FR= OM A GUITAR... They only sound good if they are sequenced, tightly and fast= .. not by some sloppy old hacks stubby fingers.. which brings me to my main= disappointment of the unit, one that I knew about from before my purchase:=
No Arpegiator.
Many of you have heard me sing the praises of the GR30s A= rp, and my love of Arps in general. The only way (IMHO) one can really hand= le the idea of Live Looping via midi instruments, at least with hardware. <= br> So...Why a company REMOVES functionality from units instead of improving it= , is a total mystery to me. With the addition of that one single (admittedl= y fiddly and complex) function, suddenly many many more sounds become usabl= e, as you can now sound like that sound should be. Its NOT enough just to H= AVE that sound, but played on guitar... many sounds, sound like they do BEC= AUSE of the WAY it is played, not the timbre itself. I for example seriousl= y USE the xylophone sounds on the GR 30, because they can sound tight and m= etronomic, from an arppegiator, but played from the guitar, they miss-fire = and double twang and are a bit delayed from the note.

So, although everyone has slagged off the GR30, in terms of sounds (yes= I had to tweak all them too) The GR30 wins for me.. I dont have as realist= ic cello, thats true, and that ONE strings patch on the 55 IS TRULY LOVELY,= but.. there not enough usable synth tones, not by a long shot.

MODELLED TONES:
Which brings me to the Modeled sounds.. Oh dear Oh d= ear... Is THIS what all you VG peeps have been raving about... I hope not.<= br>Honestly, I think I have to check my settings and pickup placement here,= so I wont be too harsh just yet, but on my Baritone (Yes Im using a barito= ne.. I expect THAT is the issue here) Im hearing all sorts of double notes,= almost like ring modulation, weird clanging, if I play too light, quite in= teresting in certain situations, but... making my guitar sound like a telec= aster... Hmmm I think not... One setting works for me H&H ST (I believe= is a Strat with Humbuckers.. really? OK then)

EFFECTS:
OK... positive Mark... keep it Positive!!!
The effects a= re GREAT.. lots of nice stuff, wont go into detail here, but as an effect u= nit it works very well for me, LOTS OF LOVELY OPTIONS:
Works like this:<= br> There are 6 layers of effects. Mod, MFX, Delay, Reverb, Chorus, EQ.. And al= l can sound at once, with a quite nifty and usable way of routing your 4 so= urces through each. Basically within the Mod and MFX sections are also many= alternative effects, for example Mod has Wah within its section, MFX has a= slicer effect. There doesnt seem to be any particular grouping for what ef= fects are in each of these section, maybe MFX are more for the synth tones = and Mod for guitar tones.. maybe..

AMP MODELS:
But then theres one bit I have missed... Ahem... The Amp= models...? Tell me, please.. does anyone use these? ON the VG systems.. do= they work for you guys? Cos for me they are JUST HORRIBLE. Just awful over= blown harsh tones. I have to say that the years that I actually owned a gu= itar amp, are long gone.. so... so gone, so i dont know if I would like the= se sounds more if they were through an amp.. For Instance.. I once owned a = Vox AC 30. The 3 versions of this in the GR55, dont sound anything like it.= .. but wait.. the Vox only played nicely when loud.. so I wait till the wif= e was out then...

"Its been a HArd Days night... Thunderbolts and Lightning very ver= y frightning Nah nah na na nah... I feel stupid and contagious Here we are = now, entertain us..." I try a medley of all those BIG BIG AC30 songs..= . OUCH my ears.. my poor bleeding ears!!!

It was just too harsh and nasty for me.. ME!! None of the tones from an= y of the amps are usable.
( I am of course not counting the HUGE SHREDDI= NG amp sounds that are here.. no doubt they are OK.. if not RADICAL, or TIG= HT.. or FUCKED-UP.. or whatever the kids are saying these days)
OK OK, some of the soft Jazz amps are very nice.. but the lack of good soun= ding amps, brings a bit of a problem for me.. How do you make your distorti= on? In the Mod section, there is one effect called OD/DS=A0 with many model= s of distortion boxes... most are good.. Ill stick with the Boss Distortion= .. OK.. fine.. usable.. same as my Heavy Metal HM2 pedal.. or the Rat.. Pro= blem though is that if you use THAT for distortion, you cant get at the Wah= , or any other sound hidden in the Mod section. Without using an amp model = there is no way to make a good clean, (ha ha) NON TONED OUT distortion..
Thats the sounds... But now onto the good stuff...

INTERFACE:The interface... total joy. Wonderful big window, simple to find your way = around, many many many options. And you need that with all the possibilitys= , you are going to pick this pedal off the floor for MOST of the time at ho= me (or sit cross-legged.. not me any more Im afraid. So going thru horrible= menus and shift buttons is not good. Here everything is laid out logically= and even any illogicallity is shown simply and easily so you can find it a= nd fix it with the minimum of hassle.

PICKUP/SWITCHES:
There is something a bit wrong with the implementat= ion of the pick-up switches. They havent really decided what the volume con= trol or guitar/synth switch are supposed to do, so it changes on every patc= h. Meaning that there are some patches that have no volume controI not from= the foot-pedal OR the GK Vol. To me its simple, the footpedal should contr= ol effects, like wah or pitch shift or where Volume is an effect, and the G= K pickup should handle the volume of the modelled guitar tone, OR volume of= whole pedal. But.. no... even I cant quite figure out what to do there. On= the GR30 it was simple, synth or guitar, and mix... now with 4 (ok 3 if yo= u lump the synth tones) they are really missing a volume control, so... Um.= . whay not an extra pedal jack in the back?,, Um there isnt one.. OK..

MISSING IN ACTION:
Oh and one more niggling thing missing from the 3= 0 to 55. Silly but important (maybe it IS there in setting , havent found i= t) That when zooming through patches, the GK switch had a clever way of spe= eding up the cycling. You could press and hold, patches start counting up, = then press the OTHER button as well and it would speed up the counting (jum= ping 5 or 10 at a time) till you were in the neigbourhood of the patch, the= n you release the extra button and it goes back to counting normally. VERY = handy, if, like me, you never reorganise your patches, just learn the numbe= rs. Now with GR55 you cant do that, no, you literally have to press that it= tle button 120 times if you want to scroll up 120 patches... So You better = start reorganizing, right from the get go.

I am a VERY critical gear head. I have used technology in my music from= the very start of my career, and if there one ting I hate its TOO MUCH bei= ng stuffed in that is not good enough quality. I do wonder if the programme= r guys actually know how to play guitar, or whether they just get emailed a= bunch of amp convolutions with a note "Implement these".=A0
In my view there is nothing to be ashamed of for a manufacturer producing a= simple but wonderful box, with little functionality but brilliant design a= nd no fluff, The Roland GR55 is not that... Its stuffed full with the good,= the bad and the ugly.

Would I suggest anyone else buy one? HELL YES.. its a gonna be loads a = fun! Especially if you like Buckethead or Vie.. (im pretending I even know = who these people are now...)

But keep yer Amp (if you like those th= ings) and.. well... actually.. keep your guitar synth, you know.. the old o= ne... its still usable!
I now have to pluck up the courage to call my guitar tech and see how he fe= els about installing another hex pickup inside. I now have a GK2 inside and= a GK 3 stuck on... need that one put inside...

But Im a little afr= aid...

He may kill himself...

OH wait.. I nearly forgot...! There'= s a built in looper... but.. er.. blushes... I havent tried it yet!

= Mark



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--f46d0447970127365804b2d2b821-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 28 22:21:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8BE8183477; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 22:21:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=E/dZAnbXSRnnRq5bTdt/igf91wo3HOm6oKn7F5DgQNo=; b=UlEVvazZkKrxVat/8V5vco1x2/bIkL0nZ+sy/CRxhgiXlN37RTbD2lsR1h82rBvweF V5+lYqAwr4hgbPH53fqD0tkqIHL2n5VHLyEdir/omuj+Oi65G56yurMuNtc+B308Abzb jRm1e7uZ4BCzKJlSNKu6UR67TDE8DE1MlYF/8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 22:21:34 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Roland GR55 - First Impressions review From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 22:21:35 +0000 (UTC) to be honest, if you want great amp tones and incredible effects, then the axe fx is really the way to go. lots of ultras on the market at the moment, as many people are upgrading to the 2. if you want synth sounds as well, there is some nice monophonic stuff to be had from the ultra (check out the fractal audio media page and you can hear lots of examples that i made), but pick up a roland gi-10 or gi-20 of ebay for a few quid and you've got yourself access to a bazillion synths, both as hardware and software. the axe fx editor makes it a breeze to create new patches and you can have loads of fun patching modifiers like lfo's, sequencers, adsr's etc etc to almost any parameter in any block. it'll sync delays and modifiers to midi clock too, so really, the sky's the limit. roland. they just don't seem to have a clue sometimes. i wonder if they actually have any musicians working for them.... just my tuppence sim On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 10:06 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Hi All. > > Recent sales of neglected gear have resulted in two purchases. The Korg > Electribe ESX (As suggested by Philip I believe) and the much lauded Roland > GR55 Guitar synth. > Lets take that one now, and the drum-machine later. > I have had the GR55 for about a month now, and due to work and family > commitments, I cant really say that I've delved very deep with it, but here > goes. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 28 22:21:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF12F183495; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 22:21:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=jQI7UU80sme8sy2Cwv4X3EylyWYnAoY7bKJ9mEuilbg=; b=fu1ULeWOy4WOyv1e4IaGgNwQ+Uxst03U/uSWpAY4SNrZSt4yBmOR2F1dkhpmFds2Zm ouVrGT4ofdWcZO+dVRxQKQMjROprZeA3kJXo6JZSZJAXblVUxXyQVS/mayBCs3ddFrs+ sKLlYc64yJ53NxACnknYM+2+r/5DXjbG6vRTI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <281B6D4B-A54D-4EEB-9893-F29DFF840C79@earthwormandfire.com> References: <4ED2C605.1010705@cruzio.com> <281B6D4B-A54D-4EEB-9893-F29DFF840C79@earthwormandfire.com> From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 23:21:20 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: HbCyza157PKte_jqmRMcwfF82l0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Boss PS-6 as a tool for looped bass. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044797014e996104b2d2edc3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 22:21:41 +0000 (UTC) --f46d044797014e996104b2d2edc3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 2:21 AM, chaz worm wrote: > > But what the hell do I know. I play punk songs on banjo in front of angry > bluegrass crowds. > Why are they angry.. I used to play bluegrass in front of punk crowds and they were a lovely and warming audience. ... Im kidding, I have no idea what bluegrass is.. Im imagining the kind of music in Doctor Suess books? I love to loop with a fox with a Vox and in a house with Mob-i-us , I love to loop up a tree, on an EDP.. -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --f46d044797014e996104b2d2edc3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 2:21 AM, chaz worm <chaz@earthwormandfire.com>= wrote:

But what the hell do I know. I play punk songs on banjo= in front of angry bluegrass crowds.=A0
Why are they= angry..

I used to play bluegrass in front of punk crowds and they w= ere a lovely and warming audience.

... Im kidding, I have no idea what bluegrass is.. Im imagining the kin= d of music in Doctor Suess books?

I love to loop with a fox with a V= ox and in a house with Mob-i-us , I love to loop up a tree, on an EDP..



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Mark Francombe<= /u>
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--f46d044797014e996104b2d2edc3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 28 22:30:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3D27183486; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 22:30:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=h6rlGtbuofu3nwcBDt7c7oGovjtTWSCDEN8oC0lh2xA=; b=Wkc+NJIaikQN88PNFx1L7u717F/XwX5dn7KDH9NYmFEYfuxX4lqo+n+Qs4TRPwHGsa INjOD2TKvMkkfzK8EMLLN4Srjfw56e1f9tNu5mtyVTCohSHU94j+9ugoZ9T0xEjC6vgj mqa6EMI6oicSKIcKoruN7vwyICZIz9YRY0nUk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 23:30:01 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: KXz7R1vA7zQ5Y5PmAbELMWZcjug Message-ID: Subject: Re: Roland GR55 - First Impressions review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340b2b5e642204b2d30c43 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 22:30:22 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340b2b5e642204b2d30c43 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 And yet you dont mention the price tag Simeon... Fractal Audio, banned in this house Im afraid... to show you what I mean... This is my NEW, Ill say that again.. NEW Car... http://www.finn.no/finn/car/used/object?finnkode=31434742 Its a sorry state of affairs, but I guess my review is aimed at people with cars like that... If you read my review again, you will see that Im not so down on the synths OR the effects... but the amp tones... And too be honest, Jan in my band has a Fractal Audio thing, and the floaty stuff is great, but again,,, harsh nasty amp effects, might just be him though... M On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 11:21 PM, Simeon Harris < simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > to be honest, if you want great amp tones and incredible effects, then > the axe fx is really the way to go. lots of ultras on the market at > the moment, as many people are upgrading to the 2. if you want synth > sounds as well, there is some nice monophonic stuff to be had from the > ultra (check out the fractal audio media page and you can hear lots of > examples that i made), but pick up a roland gi-10 or gi-20 of ebay for > a few quid and you've got yourself access to a bazillion synths, both > as hardware and software. the axe fx editor makes it a breeze to > create new patches and you can have loads of fun patching modifiers > like lfo's, sequencers, adsr's etc etc to almost any parameter in any > block. it'll sync delays and modifiers to midi clock too, so really, > the sky's the limit. > roland. they just don't seem to have a clue sometimes. i wonder if > they actually have any musicians working for them.... > > just my tuppence > > sim > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 10:06 PM, mark francombe > wrote: > > Hi All. > > > > Recent sales of neglected gear have resulted in two purchases. The Korg > > Electribe ESX (As suggested by Philip I believe) and the much lauded > Roland > > GR55 Guitar synth. > > Lets take that one now, and the drum-machine later. > > I have had the GR55 for about a month now, and due to work and family > > commitments, I cant really say that I've delved very deep with it, but > here > > goes. > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --14dae9340b2b5e642204b2d30c43 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And yet you dont mention the price tag Simeon... Fractal Audio, banned in t= his house Im afraid... to show you what I mean... This is my NEW, Ill say t= hat again.. NEW Car...

http://www.finn.no/finn/car/used/object?finnkode= =3D31434742

Its a sorry state of affairs, but I guess my review is aimed at people = with cars like that...

If you read my review again, you will see th= at Im not so down on the synths OR the effects... but the amp tones...

And too be honest, Jan in my band has a Fractal Audio thing, and the fl= oaty stuff is great, but again,,, harsh nasty amp effects, might just be hi= m though...


M

On Mon, Nov 28, = 2011 at 11:21 PM, Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wr= ote:
to be honest, if you want great amp tones a= nd incredible effects, then
the axe fx is really the way to go. lots of ultras on the market at
the moment, as many people are upgrading to the 2. if you want synth
sounds as well, there is some nice monophonic stuff to be had from the
ultra (check out the fractal audio media page and you can hear lots of
examples that i made), but pick up a roland gi-10 or gi-20 of ebay for
a few quid and you've got yourself access to a bazillion synths, both as hardware and software. the axe fx editor makes it a breeze to
create new patches and you can have loads of fun patching modifiers
like lfo's, sequencers, adsr's etc etc to almost any parameter in a= ny
block. it'll sync delays and modifiers to midi clock too, so really, the sky's the limit.
roland. they just don't seem to have a clue sometimes. i wonder if
they actually have any musicians working for them....

just my tuppence

sim

On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 10:06 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
> Hi All.
>
> Recent sales of neglected gear have resulted in two purchases. The Kor= g
> Electribe ESX (As suggested by Philip I believe) and the much lauded R= oland
> GR55 Guitar synth.
> Lets take that one now, and the drum-machine later.
> I have had the GR55 for about a month now, and due to work and family<= br> > commitments, I cant really say that I've delved very deep with it,= but here
> goes.




--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--14dae9340b2b5e642204b2d30c43-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 28 23:20:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCD8118345A; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 23:20:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer :x-mimeole; bh=bZFZthtnxICWTIy+xpChB2qvEaGWpxoUPQe3P2HGYD0=; b=jl+5f/svEJdvvHNF3Bz5srGDaWVkOQ2luodHcnTUpkSUCaAa+iGyi500zuZNyH4Xj9 5tu5+EsOkh4a7EMtJqnszgXAicX55QMu0FQyHNdqurxCauB0ErNJYbvtj2a65hUAUaea drblGp0H2D/UP+klfGW9KaSH754jjMT2N8Hhc= Message-ID: Reply-To: "Kris Hartung" From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Roland GR55 - First Impressions review Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 16:20:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_04C9_01CCADE9.A1633380" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 23:20:24 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_04C9_01CCADE9.A1633380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great review. If they would just include an authentic and convincing = emulation of the GR300, I'd buy it for that alone. ------=_NextPart_000_04C9_01CCADE9.A1633380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Great review.  If they would just = include an=20 authentic and convincing emulation of the GR300, I'd buy it for that=20 alone.
  ------=_NextPart_000_04C9_01CCADE9.A1633380-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 28 23:31:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3418F183464; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 23:31:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Roland GR55 - First Impressions Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:31:41 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 23:31:49 +0000 (UTC) Hey Mark please tell us how you really feel!!!!! I appreciate your candor truly , i have stayed away from this topic because Roland's commitment to guitar synthesis has seemed in long steady decline and this latest addition continued the disappointment . i didn't want a modeling amp i wanted a new improved guitar synth with a "great" and varied synth engine that would please both vintage synth and electronica guys, as well as great orchestral sounds, ethnic sounds etc.......with a real programable arpeggiator, not seen sense the GR-30, which i still have tucked in to a shelf in my studio room. But no, what they delivered was part guitar synth, part modeling amp, part effects processor , part looper, and i don't think it does any of those things well. As far as modeling amps go, it seems the only one worth having is the Axe-fx and when I look at spending that kind of money I start thinking of buying a new Laptop or how many cool affordable tube amps I could buy, like the chinese made vox 15, it may not be point to point wired like the old ones but it sounds amazing. but that's just me. One thing I have not been happy about the response of with modeling amps, in addition to the "something's missing" sound, is what happens when you put analog gain devices in front of it like stomp box distortions. it seems like the don't have the headroom to accomodate the gain and get even more harsh sounding. I can't figure out who Roland's target audience is with this device but it ain't me babe, no no no it ain't me babe. But its also very possible someone will take it, design some cool sounds with it and make some interesting music with it. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 28 23:44:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B2EF18345F; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 23:44:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=1rdFPeSCay25a3kWJqiYehtlIFY96+tS0FwtG22Vq4o=; b=Yh92szv1bcrfppp9FeQDn5qjwDegkjGNtTRUaz0Qc5Z7IIlByI+E+iJbH3GUR1U+t/ x4WjKjlceXhw6r3YCo3jVo7FVgAkOtKAU3J5oFeU1c09xvZGA7PGBKh4MpLuIfapyCvh PlnxJzEK3jr5q5c0ghw0HKjvo7hi6CMgJ6Rg0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 00:44:32 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ELCoefDZo5UiE39ANyGi5pgLnxk Message-ID: Subject: Re: Roland GR55 - First Impressions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300e5647de623404b2d416ff Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 23:44:54 +0000 (UTC) --20cf300e5647de623404b2d416ff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Absolutely Bill, I should point out here that Ive been VERY VERY harsh... I am trying to point out what I see wrong in this unit. I should also say that there is a lot to this thing... If you left off the modelled guitar tones (and yes they should have) you are still left with pretty great synth.. theyre is alot of electronica sounds here,and as I mentioned, I like them all... but.. there is just too much fluff! Too many things to cringe at and move on... I wouldnt mix it with analog effects at all Bill, but I dont see the need... You ask who is this aimed at? Bill, it costs less than 500 dollars... so ANYONE... 30 years ago, that kind of money got me an amp and a fuzzbox... There is SHIT LOADS in this pedal... SHIT LOADS... as in Good shit and Bad... M On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:31 AM, William Walker wrote: > Hey Mark please tell us how you really feel!!!!! I appreciate your candor > truly , i have stayed away from this topic because Roland's commitment to > guitar synthesis has seemed in long steady decline and this latest addition > continued the disappointment . i didn't want a modeling amp i wanted a new > improved guitar synth with a "great" and varied synth engine that would > please both vintage synth and electronica guys, as well as great orchestral > sounds, ethnic sounds etc.......with a real programable arpeggiator, not > seen sense the GR-30, which i still have tucked in to a shelf in my studio > room. But no, what they delivered was part guitar synth, part modeling > amp, part effects processor , part looper, and i don't think it does any of > those things well. As far as modeling amps go, it seems the only one worth > having is the Axe-fx and when I look at spending that kind of money I > start thinking of buying a new Laptop or how many cool affordable tube > amps I could buy, like the chinese made vox 15, it may not be point to > point wired like the old ones but it sounds amazing. but that's just me. > One thing I have not been happy about the response of with modeling amps, > in addition to the "something's missing" sound, is what happens when you > put analog gain devices in front of it like stomp box distortions. it seems > like the don't have the headroom to accomodate the gain and get even more > harsh sounding. I can't figure out who Roland's target audience is with > this device but it ain't me babe, no no no it ain't me babe. But its also > very possible someone will take it, design some cool sounds with it and > make some interesting music with it. > Bill > > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf300e5647de623404b2d416ff Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Absolutely Bill, I should point out here that Ive been VERY VERY harsh... I= am trying to point out what I see wrong in this unit. I should also say th= at there is a lot to this thing... If you left off the modelled guitar tone= s (and yes they should have) you are still left with pretty great synth.. t= heyre is alot of electronica sounds here,and as I mentioned, I like them al= l... but.. there is just too much fluff! Too many things to cringe at and m= ove on... I wouldnt mix it with analog effects at all Bill, but I dont see = the need...

You ask who is this aimed at?
Bill, it costs less than 500 dollars..= . so ANYONE... 30 years ago, that kind of money got me an amp and a fuzzbox= ...
There is SHIT LOADS in this pedal... SHIT LOADS... as in Good shit = and Bad...

M

On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:31 AM, W= illiam Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
Hey Mark please tell us how you really feel!!!!! I appreciate your candor t= ruly , i have stayed away from this topic because Roland's commitment t= o guitar synthesis has seemed in long steady decline and this latest additi= on continued the disappointment . i didn't want a modeling amp i wanted= a new improved guitar synth with a "great" and varied synth engi= ne that would please both vintage synth and electronica guys, as well as gr= eat orchestral sounds, =A0ethnic sounds etc.......with a real programable a= rpeggiator, not seen sense the GR-30, which i still have tucked in to a she= lf in my studio room. But no, =A0what they delivered was part guitar synth,= part modeling amp, part effects processor , part looper, and i don't t= hink it does any of those things =A0well. As far as modeling amps go, it se= ems the only one worth having is the Axe-fx and when I look at spending =A0= that kind of money I start thinking of =A0buying a new Laptop or how many c= ool affordable tube amps I could buy, like the chinese made vox 15, it may = not be point to point wired like the old ones but it sounds amazing. but th= at's just me. One thing I have not been happy about the response of wit= h modeling amps, in addition to the "something's missing" sou= nd, is what happens when you put analog gain devices in front of it like st= omp box distortions. it seems like the don't have the headroom to accom= odate the gain and get even more harsh sounding. =A0I can't figure out = who Roland's target audience is with this device but it ain't me ba= be, no no no it ain't me babe. =A0But its =A0also very possible someone= will take it, design some cool sounds with it and make some interesting mu= sic with it.
Bill




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Mark Fra= ncombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
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--20cf300e5647de623404b2d416ff-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 28 23:53:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A22C1183462; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 23:53:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=0mO/DfHaXj7YUfnjgnym25qeG9RehdYA1rc6q4/bsd8=; b=sW7kdAUhPiMzWhG4Fo82GyMGMxQ8mPcucKXqCCKIPpj1s3WhMrt6vZwoDz9/nzlbkS cV5Cq26hg/p+PKU9e+EYWS7OAdSwXzY6EjO0LPnmxcV2vZTA8T/2XKaOZClViuhRJ1Nb easZDIzjqUIlUVWmAxkroHiLe9G5VthhBPqtA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 00:53:50 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Roland GR55 - First Impressions review From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 23:53:51 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 11:06 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Its stuffed full with the good, the bad and the ugly. I totally agree with Marc on that! I researched its options all through and for me only a little fragment of the box is "good". But that tiny slice of goodness justifies it anyway. I avoid any guitar sound, don't even run my magnetic pickups through the GK cable because doing so just sterilizes the sound. I dislike the amp sim even more than I usually dislike any amp sim. Distortion is not even evident, so there *is* nothing for me to dislike there ;-) Effects sound lame. In short, nothing pops out from the GR-55, all sounds just stays there inside the box and you can hopefully make up what they should really sound like and then mix them appropriately low in the background to give a bit of a vibe. Except for MIDI. (here is the lowest point were we turn to the good stuff in the GR55) So I actually use it as a MIDI converter and a MIDI pedal controller (to drive stuff like Sculpture, ES2 or Alchemy on the lappy). I find use for a dozen custom synth sounds, typically cling-clang stuff or pad-like buzz or swoop organisms to stay low in the background behind a up-front guitar pickup sound that has NOT passed the Roland. The fidelity is just too bad for everything except background carpets. The whole box also hisses a hell of a lot of noise - but all this is not bad for "wet blanket dull background carpets", a certain emotion tends to come with it. I also find good use for the GK-3 knobs and the GR-55 pedal and buttons to control other things; i.e. synths on the lappy plus the IK Multimedia Amplitube 3 plugin on the lappy. Note that my guitar/Stick PU output goes directly into the RME interface (NOT passing the Roland thingy). As for distortion I'm very fond of the sound you get by running a wha pedal into an Octavia and then into a tube amp set to "8" (crunchy dist). This is a warm and fat sound that sparkles with dryness as if going to burst into flames at any moment (quite mid range rich but not sharp and not bassy). Nothing even from that universe to be found in the GR-55, but since the Amplitube 3 plugin has it I therefore redirect the knobs of the GR-55 to control Amplitube 3 instead. This works well and I'm happy with it. I find this GR-55 strategy very good and I am happy with it. I even picked up a second GK-3 to put on my other STick (to make them back-up compatible in shows). But I know my input would not sell many units in a store ;-) Here's an impro recorded right off the outputs that shows the good use I think I have for those dull-wet-blanket sounds behind a normal guitar sound (although STick here, and Alchemy synth layered with GR-55 to give some sparkle) http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4963264/forest.mp3 And here's a recording using a lead sound ONLY made up of synth tones; not a good sound but it works. The guitars here are played through the GK's amp sim including the wha effect. It is not a good sound IMHO, but lame guitar sound worked anyway for this tune. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4963264/distorted_beauty.mp3 On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:20 AM, Kris Hartung wrote: > If they would just include an authentic and convincing emulation of the > GR300, I'd buy it for that alone. If you like those type of sounds you may find the GR-55 quite playable. I mean, synths follow well what you play. On my two Sticks the exact string length differs by 3 millimeters to the closest guitar/bass setting in the trimming preferences setup and they trigger the synths brilliantly anyway. Not saying that it emulates GR300 well, I personally never liked the GR300 although I was exposed to it a lot since a duo partner used it. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 28 23:58:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02BA7183462; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 23:58:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=CIQ7TnAvZFMeE3RMtJSWsKMwQXHqeHnueYn31xVWoWY=; b=Kl420R3QdxDH+NskGrEyy9jlOEUUXuBSj/8i3bIctTma77N/EnnKt1wQh1Qf9g30Ul QkecHIGwj28whgroB0DBcDxoGQ+gWOxEFbBtBwKAteILVhuCvMcUPpsdILiTHK3gFKhw CdS3JgnsqTwhqx3Zthdd4/gWZ6+c6QufVbCTA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 23:58:39 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Roland GR55 - First Impressions review From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <9gaBEC.A.t0C.wAC1OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 23:58:40 +0000 (UTC) no, i know it's a lot of cash...a secondhand ultra is twice the price of a new gr-55...but for what you get, it's actually incredibly good value for money - over 70 amps and basically an eventide eclipse if you think your mate's one sounds bad, then that's down to him not knowing how to dial it in properly, or he just has some bad sounding amplification - i could post tons of links to some incredible sounding stuff...here's just one tiny example.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=keS2pHFEI0o#! if you like ac30's, i can tell you the top boost is heavenly you get what you pay for...yes i know it's an obvious thing to say...but there you go. i had to sell almost everything i owned to buy the ultra (inlcuding a triaxis, an eclipse, a g-force, a lexicon...the list goes on) but i haven't regretted it for one single day sim On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 10:30 PM, mark francombe wrote: > And yet you dont mention the price tag Simeon... Fractal Audio, banned in > this house Im afraid... to show you what I mean... This is my NEW, Ill say > that again.. NEW Car... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 28 23:59:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59314183460; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 23:59:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4ED4206D.10305@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:59:41 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chaz worm CC: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Re: Boss PS-6 as a tool for looped bass. References: <1D730253-2965-414D-B65B-A248DD34DED0@earthwormandfire.com> In-Reply-To: <1D730253-2965-414D-B65B-A248DD34DED0@earthwormandfire.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 23:59:49 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, chaz worm wrote: > "I'd be tempted to sell you my Chilidog at $20 but I'm starting to think mine is damaged or something. I can't believe such a crap pedal, in my opinion, would get such ringing endorsements from much better musicians than I." Well, Chaz, what works for you, works for you. There's really never any arguing about success, imho. ....and you are spot on about the Chili Dog's not being good for polyphony. I'm only attempting to take single notes or single timbres and give them bass with it. chaz also wrote: "All I know is with my POG pedal and my sansamp it matters not that I'm backing someone on "bass" by using a $50 fretless minstrel (baritone) banjo." Oooh, ooooh, apropos of nothing...........where does one find a $50 fretless minstrel (baritone) banjo? I want one!!!!!! I've been thinking about finding a cheap assed Kay somewhere and taking out the frets. I actually bought a professional fret removing tool and haven't quite had the courage to attack my custom 3/4 scale electric bass. chaz wrote: "It sounds pretty good. It beats lugging around my stupid upright in my Miata. Which looks so silly it's often fun to do anyway. Man, oh man, I wish I owned a stupid upright. That's the one instrument that I truly covet in my collection. Crummy one's cost $1,000 though. And, as you point out, they are tough to lug around. chaz wrote: "This list is such a great source of knowledge." I so agree with that statement. We're lucky to have each other here! respectfully, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 00:04:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62FB9183464; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 00:04:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4ED42171.4030307@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 16:04:01 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sylvester malik CC: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Re: Circular Breathing: Live Looping References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050802080902020503060006" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 00:04:08 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050802080902020503060006 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, sylvester malik wrote: > Saw him live a couple of months ago, great technique, zero effects. Just some carefully placed mics. I did a small duo tour with the famous avant flautist, Robert Dick. He is the same way............he plays a bass flute which utilizes four separate mics down it's length and he plays every single part of that instrument. His technique is nothing short of astonishing and no effects. He can make music that sounds like it is highly processed industrial music........amazing. I have no idea how he can make sounds travel on the instrument but he does. rick walker --------------050802080902020503060006 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, sylvester malik wrote: 
Saw him live a couple of months ago, great technique, zero effects. Just some carefully placed mics.
I did a small duo tour with the famous avant flautist, Robert Dick.

He is the same way............he plays a bass flute which utilizes four separate mics down it's length
and he plays every single part of that instrument.

His technique is nothing short of astonishing and no effects.

He can make music that sounds like it is highly processed industrial music........amazing.
I have no idea how he can make sounds travel on the instrument but he does.

rick walker

--------------050802080902020503060006-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 00:11:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D715183462; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 00:11:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4ED42319.4010602@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 16:11:05 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Simeon Harris CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Roland GR55 - First Impressions review References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070707030404040001030706" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 00:11:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070707030404040001030706 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Simeon Harris wrote: > but pick up a roland gi-10 or gi-20 of ebay for > a few quid and you've got yourself access to a bazillion synths, Hey Simeon, I've been wanting a module with synth sounds in it for a while now (to play with either a wind synth or with drum midi controller) I have the little microkorg but lately have desired to have some typical organs, clavinets, pianos, et. al. Are these rolands good for stuff like this? do they have any decent drum sounds, per chance? thanks for in advance for your intel. Rick --------------070707030404040001030706 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Simeon Harris wrote: 
but pick up a roland gi-10 or gi-20 of ebay for
a few quid and you've got yourself access to a bazillion synths,
Hey Simeon,

I've been wanting a module with synth sounds in it
for a while now (to play with either a wind synth or
with drum midi controller)

I have the little microkorg but lately have desired
to have some typical organs, clavinets, pianos, et. al.
Are these rolands good for stuff like this?

do they have any decent drum sounds, per chance?

thanks for in advance for your intel.

Rick
 --------------070707030404040001030706-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 00:25:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BB0F183464; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 00:25:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=VmqsxRTzxlfLxUs7oGwdwZwUFN4BQ0NQQR5UwDtIMss=; b=E4KvMBUsgHEiZxGvLopRlZqCMDtxcjUCtqASEvKqpyd1zhBj9j28Ye68WVY30lineM sZSlWAh5pawIiLYbcZB/JPXe0TEepQpMX+FBfgpPAqvrlW44cOJqBIP8Oys0CF6PaUwv DEH8TtaX+71Q49HXDrO7UCwHB3z9ebyIrGu64= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 01:24:54 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: K1UdhCojRtKHN34dVj7GObLgnOI Message-ID: Subject: Re: Roland GR55 - First Impressions review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf303f6aae504b6c04b2d4a745 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 00:25:17 +0000 (UTC) --20cf303f6aae504b6c04b2d4a745 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 What you talking about Per? the sounds on these are fucking great... If thats all 55 then scratch what I just said... (gets back on knees - head to GR55) M On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:53 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Here's an impro recorded right off the outputs that shows the good use > I think I have for those dull-wet-blanket sounds behind a normal > guitar sound (although STick here, and Alchemy synth layered with > GR-55 to give some sparkle) http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4963264/forest.mp3 > > And here's a recording using a lead sound ONLY made up of synth tones; > not a good sound but it works. The guitars here are played through the > GK's amp sim including the wha effect. It is not a good sound IMHO, > but lame guitar sound worked anyway for this tune. > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4963264/distorted_beauty.mp3 > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf303f6aae504b6c04b2d4a745 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What you talking about Per? the sounds on these are fucking great...
If= thats all 55 then scratch what I just said...

(gets back on knees -= =A0 head to GR55)



M



On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:53 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
Here's an impro recorded right off the outputs that sh= ows the good use
I think I have for those dull-wet-blanket =A0sounds behind a normal
guitar sound (although STick here, and Alchemy synth layered with
GR-55 to give some sparkle) http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4963264/forest.mp3
And here's a recording using a lead sound ONLY made up of synth tones;<= br> not a good sound but it works. The guitars here are played through the
GK's amp sim including the wha effect. It is not a good sound IMHO,
but lame guitar sound worked anyway for this tune.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4963264/distorted_beauty.mp3



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--20cf303f6aae504b6c04b2d4a745-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 00:41:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4083F183477; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 00:41:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=37NfSimn1BCjfIdESkfRoDWD1TUP7oooIA3PnAokCos=; b=njd/z/6vlhrUQjaNalTLIZyLh0mXcX7mF6l28g7LI12BE8xeaC3BCgSGWb2+EXRyb/ 0bdKZktCUqTy63XNtz+zE6snz12Ksmsguf6didf20RZElpdGh8XYgZZaIdstk5UNGBZ4 XRLL4DiGmDIcMqV/nXf2l+x8Lppj9cs3KGmKA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 16:41:37 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Roland GR55 - First Impressions From: Kevin Cheli-Colando To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 00:41:38 +0000 (UTC) Where did you get it for less than $500? I'm seeing a street price of $700-800 without the pickup? At $500 I'm ready to add another thing to the floor. Kevin On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 3:44 PM, mark francombe wr= ote: > Absolutely Bill, I should point out here that Ive been VERY VERY harsh...= I > am trying to point out what I see wrong in this unit. I should also say t= hat > there is a lot to this thing... If you left off the modelled guitar tones > (and yes they should have) you are still left with pretty great synth.. > theyre is alot of electronica sounds here,and as I mentioned, I like them > all... but.. there is just too much fluff! Too many things to cringe at a= nd > move on... I wouldnt mix it with analog effects at all Bill, but I dont s= ee > the need... > > You ask who is this aimed at? > Bill, it costs less than 500 dollars... so ANYONE... 30 years ago, that k= ind > of money got me an amp and a fuzzbox... > There is SHIT LOADS in this pedal... SHIT LOADS... as in Good shit and > Bad... > > M > > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:31 AM, William Walker > wrote: >> >> Hey Mark please tell us how you really feel!!!!! I appreciate your cando= r >> truly , i have stayed away from this topic because Roland's commitment t= o >> guitar synthesis has seemed in long steady decline and this latest addit= ion >> continued the disappointment . i didn't want a modeling amp i wanted a n= ew >> improved guitar synth with a "great" and varied synth engine that would >> please both vintage synth and electronica guys, as well as great orchest= ral >> sounds, =A0ethnic sounds etc.......with a real programable arpeggiator, = not >> seen sense the GR-30, which i still have tucked in to a shelf in my stud= io >> room. But no, =A0what they delivered was part guitar synth, part modelin= g amp, >> part effects processor , part looper, and i don't think it does any of t= hose >> things =A0well. As far as modeling amps go, it seems the only one worth = having >> is the Axe-fx and when I look at spending =A0that kind of money I start >> thinking of =A0buying a new Laptop or how many cool affordable tube amps= I >> could buy, like the chinese made vox 15, it may not be point to point wi= red >> like the old ones but it sounds amazing. but that's just me. One thing I >> have not been happy about the response of with modeling amps, in additio= n to >> the "something's missing" sound, is what happens when you put analog gai= n >> devices in front of it like stomp box distortions. it seems like the don= 't >> have the headroom to accomodate the gain and get even more harsh soundin= g. >> =A0I can't figure out who Roland's target audience is with this device b= ut it >> ain't me babe, no no no it ain't me babe. =A0But its =A0also very possib= le >> someone will take it, design some cool sounds with it and make some >> interesting music with it. >> Bill >> > > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision:=A0 http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 00:50:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 960C4183475; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 00:50:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=AtcR5J9tqQx6Tpa+/CnnPWWJLijiCWNLiCkJXf7Giew=; b=nZElrMP+kS+0We87JBxh7cF1zH02QequeSx+5rYsMGyNwYPUKPgp5uyev9hB47im/C n6Lmyuvo2SPf+kJ8Fz9sfIV430kubCjxqOOCzuCfTP+gYRozKu/CvoHCaRtGaFrBnWQ9 tZXPKNRK5SNIXa+Jswh6xNriJv1+4bIdL6BQw= References: From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8L1) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 01:50:07 +0100 Message-ID: <1265157317284804879@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: Roland GR55 - First Impressions To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 00:50:19 +0000 (UTC) ok 4500 norsk kroner... doesnt quite line up actually... ill figure out what i paid In $ later...sorry for getting u exited... Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 29 Nov 2011, at 01:41, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > Where did you get it for less than $500? I'm seeing a street price of > $700-800 without the pickup? > > At $500 I'm ready to add another thing to the floor. > > Kevin > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 3:44 PM, mark francombe wrote: >> Absolutely Bill, I should point out here that Ive been VERY VERY harsh... I >> am trying to point out what I see wrong in this unit. I should also say that >> there is a lot to this thing... If you left off the modelled guitar tones >> (and yes they should have) you are still left with pretty great synth.. >> theyre is alot of electronica sounds here,and as I mentioned, I like them >> all... but.. there is just too much fluff! Too many things to cringe at and >> move on... I wouldnt mix it with analog effects at all Bill, but I dont see >> the need... >> >> You ask who is this aimed at? >> Bill, it costs less than 500 dollars... so ANYONE... 30 years ago, that kind >> of money got me an amp and a fuzzbox... >> There is SHIT LOADS in this pedal... SHIT LOADS... as in Good shit and >> Bad... >> >> M >> >> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:31 AM, William Walker >> wrote: >>> >>> Hey Mark please tell us how you really feel!!!!! I appreciate your candor >>> truly , i have stayed away from this topic because Roland's commitment to >>> guitar synthesis has seemed in long steady decline and this latest addition >>> continued the disappointment . i didn't want a modeling amp i wanted a new >>> improved guitar synth with a "great" and varied synth engine that would >>> please both vintage synth and electronica guys, as well as great orchestral >>> sounds, ethnic sounds etc.......with a real programable arpeggiator, not >>> seen sense the GR-30, which i still have tucked in to a shelf in my studio >>> room. But no, what they delivered was part guitar synth, part modeling amp, >>> part effects processor , part looper, and i don't think it does any of those >>> things well. As far as modeling amps go, it seems the only one worth having >>> is the Axe-fx and when I look at spending that kind of money I start >>> thinking of buying a new Laptop or how many cool affordable tube amps I >>> could buy, like the chinese made vox 15, it may not be point to point wired >>> like the old ones but it sounds amazing. but that's just me. One thing I >>> have not been happy about the response of with modeling amps, in addition to >>> the "something's missing" sound, is what happens when you put analog gain >>> devices in front of it like stomp box distortions. it seems like the don't >>> have the headroom to accomodate the gain and get even more harsh sounding. >>> I can't figure out who Roland's target audience is with this device but it >>> ain't me babe, no no no it ain't me babe. But its also very possible >>> someone will take it, design some cool sounds with it and make some >>> interesting music with it. >>> Bill >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mark Francombe >> www.markfrancombe.com >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://www.looop.no >> twitter @markfrancombe >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >> >> > > > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 02:18:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CEB7183460; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 02:18:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3x09@carlsonarts.com> X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 884206.79396.bm@omp1026.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1322533102; bh=y8Vjj7Lg8Rdup7jMLBc9K1ynK/CSbUI5e0k4/M7HZYs=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Mailer; b=KD0zjXTq5qSDFKitvhq2LEgdD4bPjHskldajY7dignVbJJxosoVIf5BMsbQDdauyZyF+elevSvfU2Ah5zzJxLj7TkGNi2hXW76PgFgO2n/o/mSJSlgUZx5YcLg6+ZupegnaS1F6904kkmbTremw1JoIyLYCywKb0s7ymvThahdo= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: bf0nNCAVM1kcaxwNdfpZ23CAIREuwfMAOvxb2NrMq9gOjR2 v1A94HZI1CG.270.btv2SlRT7oufyl.qXG4t_mxgcfjSbv6KZ.ozRupEZ.Ts ST.OjPNwMCNFOSF07QBvHW12v7fNIHb.6DKf6Zz440BwF2lrliqvn4QT.OoB Un_96R4qBkpTyLrOlMGxwOmPeQ2fk2Eht4OUc9NGAbfCwZelbPhCDJjgUVXQ ZGT2s8_7pAGFbTHeJx3eOmUDCu39J7.8y.gKg39TvTd3dTqUIRhBhN2gwSI9 RZjyGaa3HeBp.EaLDpKqk.4z5st36BPjSGtAw3cvNiHVlAwW5KSepvJcnXHi RFe5W1EBgIgjDGpjXijZ.qPGvPcaozzmyCPfppWgtCty4NhFHjEiHslrnss6 U X-Yahoo-SMTP: D9yazeWswBDL7tdRauhy7AWumUUpVr1iIdv0O0tl6PLXPr1F Message-Id: From: TripleOhNine <3x09@carlsonarts.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4ED39AE8.40703@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Boss PS-6 as a tool for looped bass. Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:18:21 -0800 References: <4ED37FAB.3080607@tiscali.co.uk> <4ED39AE8.40703@cruzio.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 02:18:24 +0000 (UTC) I tried the EH Octave Multiplexer, but was disappointed. Of course, I was using it vocally. I thought it was supposed to turn my voice into a full-length, feature film. But I didn't even get a music video out of it. But seriously, I found that the syllables I used had a great effect on the perceived latency. If I started with a plosive consonant like P, C, or T, there was no pitch for it to pick up. Starting with M, N, or L worked better. I wonder if something similar applies to instruments? Technique might effect how quickly the thing picks up the pitch and drops it. But anyway, I thought there was too much latency even with the best technique, so I sold my used Octave Multiplexer to Guitar Center and used the proceeds for a MIDI controller that I wanted. I think I'll try that Chili Dog, though. You can never have enough Chili. Michael Carlson (TripleOhNine) On Nov 28, 2011, at 6:30 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > This is why I love this list...........someone will have the skinny > on just about anything. > So, I stand corrected about the EH Micro POG. > It sure sounds synthetic compared to the Chili Dog (which actually > takes distortion beautifully > so it has it's advantages). > > Why are there so many cool pedals and so little money? > > Just today on this list, I told myself I wish I could own > a BOSS PS-6, an EH Holy Grail, an EH Octave Multiplexer > and a BOSS OC-3 > > Add to that my brother's delicious WET pedal with two expression > pedals > and a second EH Freeze (adding my signals output on top of my first > EH Freeze > to get an even cooler 'frozen' sound. > > So many pedals, so little money. > > rick walker > > > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, andy butler wrote: >> >> It does use harmonizer type algorithms. >> >> A harmonizer breaks the sound up into little chunks >> and plays each chunk back at a shifted rate. >> >> Large chunk sizes sound more natural, but create >> more latency...and unevenness on percussive sounds. >> >> The EH harmonisers use a small chunk size, and >> match it to the pitch of the input. >> By doing this they get very low latency on downward shifts. >> ...but it gives a digi-edge to the sound, and perhaps >> it's not that far off so call it re-synthesis. >> >> >> The EH harmonizers claim to work with polyphonic input, >> but only cope with the simplest harmonies. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 04:04:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5CC9183462; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 04:04:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=7sKT+EctDngb5wMVVZBCe4OVGs2Gs1QL95F2BXe7NBw=; b=hZgzSLqVcfgptK/UmCja7ZnuEQVdNDtehF4kEAyamgDJG4UxQuAwjAb7rMinJhO5CD tsiXBtWcj9ud1yXOGI2uOJQgseiCp0IEWiMDh33EAo9mesVIAX0G67IwI56bXyVOxhU1 Up0+adh9X8jpk3I6wdArn0Y62+X49HAoSe8ZY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4ED42171.4030307@cruzio.com> References: <4ED42171.4030307@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 23:04:49 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Circular Breathing: Live Looping From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 04:04:50 +0000 (UTC) yeah, I love the how to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UejNbSrJIuA&feature=relmfu I have to listen to Q more often Thanks for sharing this, I've just found a new hero. Sylvain On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, sylvester malik wrote: > > Saw him live a couple of months ago, great technique, zero effects. Just > some carefully placed mics. > > I did a small duo tour with the famous avant flautist, Robert Dick. > > He is the same way............he plays a bass flute which utilizes four > separate mics down it's length > and he plays every single part of that instrument. > > His technique is nothing short of astonishing and no effects. > > He can make music that sounds like it is highly processed industrial > music........amazing. > I have no idea how he can make sounds travel on the instrument but he does. > > rick walker > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 08:44:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 099E2183464; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 08:44:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 12987 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at arsenic; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 08:44:28 UTC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Ableton EDP LP1 From: Phil Clevenger In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 21:07:57 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Authenticated-User: 59682 phil@philclevenger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 08:44:28 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Per :) I hold out some hope for the EDP, may have the glitch sussed... will see = :) Phil :) On Nov 28, 2011, at 12:24 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Phil Clevenger > wrote: >> Anyone out there have good luck slaving EDP (Loop4) or LP1 (1.39) to >> Ableton Live 8's MIDI clock ? >=20 > No. Allow an educated guess that some people on the other hand are > having good luck slaving to pulse/beat. ;-)) This is because MIDI > Clock tempo sync is a system where the slaving device needs to go out > and measure its own speed compared to the master's speed and then > proceed with adjustments of its own speed - but at that stage the > master clock might already have drifted away. Bottom line: Slaving > device is always late, playing constant catch-up. >=20 > When I tried syncing EDP after a beat/pulse it followed well. But most > of the times I never sync a looper, I sync other gear, including > software host applications. For my music that works better. >=20 >> EDP seems to do better at keeping in synch initially, but there is = a >> glitch every 12 cycles or so that just tosses it completely out of = synch. >> That glitch could be the fault of any number of things, too broad to >> diagnose here... >=20 > Sorry no idea what that can be. Never heard of it. Are you sure you > don't have any MIDI cable inserted when this phenomenon occurs? If so > it can be cause by some unknown incoming external MIDI data. >=20 >> LP1 seems to lazily drift just enough to make me crazy, only takes a = minute >> or so of cycling before it is out of synch. The synch probs of 1.39 = are >> fairly well documented, but I could swear I had this working well at = some >> point in the past... >>=20 >> Not looking for a diagnosis in the dark from a distance, >=20 > Astrology: Mercury is RETROGRADE! ;-) >=20 > Per >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 09:33:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA04B183462; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:33:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 703485819/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.188.216/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.188.216 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAKKm1E5V0rzY/2dsb2JhbAAMN61qAQEBBDhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRwBiAmqGY0/iAmDFQSaBYxg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,590,1315177200"; d="scan'208";a="703485819" Message-ID: <4ED4A6CA.2040804@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:32:58 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Circular Breathing: Live Looping References: <4ED42171.4030307@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:33:01 +0000 (UTC) Sylvain Poitras wrote: > yeah, I love the how to video: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UejNbSrJIuA&feature=relmfu "Ace of Spades" is in there somewhere I'm sure. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 10:47:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0ED2B18345F; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 10:47:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4ED4B82C.60300@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 02:47:08 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" , David Kuckhermann , sue cole , Jerome & Lisa Deupree Subject: rip Tom Roady Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 10:47:19 +0000 (UTC) One of my dearest friends from the percussion and live looping world, Tom Roady has passed away. I got the news from Jerome Deupree and have no details but this is just the saddest of news. I was at the Nashville Pasic on the last day with several business appointments with endorsers and I kept getting this call from a guy named Tom Roady, who I didn't know who wanted to know more about live looping. I finally promised him that I'd meet him in the food court of the convention center at exactly 15 minutes to the hour with the proviso that i could only talk for around 10 minutes or so before my next appointment. I'll admit, I was impatient as hell when this kind grey hair, bestacled man came up and introduced himself to me. We talked for five minutes and in that five minutes I suddenly realized that I had met a soul brother. Here was a cat who was knowledge as hell about world percussion, electronics, sequencing, drum controllers and who had not only a razor sharp intellect and a really wonderful sense of humor, but was also just the sweetest guy I think I've ever met. We sat there for three hours, transfixed; talking about all the things that are rare to talk about at a drumming convention if you are a little outside of the box. I didn't even know who he was. Afterwards I went to his website and realized that I had been naively talking to one of the great drummers of Nashville history..........a guy who had played with EVERYBODY!!!!!!! Born in St. Louis, Roady got his first break working at the famed Muscle Shoals Sound Studio in Muscle Shoals, Alabama, where he recorded with such artists as Mac Davis, Tom Jones, Candi Staton, and Paul Anka. Since then he has played with a vast roster of artists, including James Taylor, Aretha Franklin, Wilson Pickett, Simon and Garfunkel, Michael McDonald, Bob Seger, Emmylou Harris, Lynyrd Skynyrd, The Dixie Chicks, Kenny Chesney, Alabama, and Kenny Rogers, just to name a few. In my own life experiences with Tom, he got us a wonderful improvisational gig on NPR Nashville and I remember one memorable evening jamming at his home studio with German Frame drummer, David Kuckhermann. Everytime I came to Nashville he would always insist on putting me up. One time, he apologetically told me that he couldn't give me a ride back to the PASIC convention on the last day because he had a gig in Memphis. I said, 'who are you gigging with' and he said, nonchalantly....."Aretha". "ARETHA????? ARETHA FRANKLIN ARETHA?" I asked, and he said yes. Well, I blew off the last day of PASIC and we drove together to see Aretha......and I got to watch him do a three hour rehearsal with a 30 piece orchestra/band and even got to go back stage and meet Aretha herself. Tom was so humble he wasn't even going to tell me that he couldn't give me a ride to the convention because he had a gig with the Queen of Soul. That was the kind of guy he was. A great player, a great heart, a great wit, a great friend. RIP Tom Roady You will be sorely missed, brother!!!!! love, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 13:55:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F10FD183464; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:55:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=rSVlyeaa+lO6G/yw+jHi5zsKHWwKLmVPRvF+oTB/G08=; b=QxPZhPTrmQE+r0w3bEXmlzRPeH/YyRWKTMvPyN7gFOybySQPl8zs8EKHcKkbS/dmKt ZxTvcIVaRPP//PJpkt8B9RHSdRZnalSyzkX/3tkeaCv/iBWLM53H8Vq5Kw6jQFVuErs+ pRBoOpEC95+YFn/g/AWXCgzF02GxEAT5mRXqo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4ED4B82C.60300@cruzio.com> References: <4ED4B82C.60300@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 08:55:16 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: rip Tom Roady From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: David Kuckhermann , sue cole , "Jerome & Lisa Deupree" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307f346a10a4ad04b2dff869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:55:16 +0000 (UTC) --20cf307f346a10a4ad04b2dff869 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick that's quite a story, quite a life and sounds like one of the few 'main stay' call musicians of Nashville, really inspiring and terribly sad that another great artist has left the planet, the world we know. Sounds like you were blessed by the meeting that 'interrupted' your day that day. Peace to you and peace to Tom's family. Jim On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 5:47 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > One of my dearest friends from the percussion and live looping world, > Tom Roady has passed away. > > I got the news from Jerome Deupree and have no details but > this is just the saddest of news. > > I was at the Nashville Pasic on the last day with several business > appointments > with endorsers and I kept getting this call from a guy named Tom Roady, > who I didn't know > who wanted to know more about live looping. > > I finally promised him that I'd meet him in the food court of the > convention center > at exactly 15 minutes to the hour with the proviso that i could only talk > for around > 10 minutes or so before my next appointment. I'll admit, I was > impatient as hell > when this kind grey hair, bestacled man came up and introduced himself to > me. > > We talked for five minutes and in that five minutes I suddenly realized > that I had > met a soul brother. Here was a cat who was knowledge as hell about > world percussion, > electronics, sequencing, drum controllers and who had not only a razor > sharp intellect > and a really wonderful sense of humor, but was also just the sweetest guy > I think I've ever > met. > > We sat there for three hours, transfixed; talking about all the things > that are rare to talk > about at a drumming convention if you are a little outside of the box. > > I didn't even know who he was. Afterwards I went to his website and > realized that I had > been naively talking to one of the great drummers of Nashville > history..........a guy who > had played with EVERYBODY!!!!!!! > > Born in St. Louis, Roady got his first break working at the famed Muscle > Shoals Sound Studio in Muscle Shoals, Alabama, where he recorded with suc= h > artists as Mac Davis, Tom Jones, Candi Staton, and Paul Anka. Since then = he > has played with a vast roster of artists, including James Taylor, Aretha > Franklin, Wilson Pickett, Simon and Garfunkel, Michael McDonald, Bob Sege= r, > Emmylou Harris, Lynyrd Skynyrd, The Dixie Chicks, Kenny Chesney, Alabama, > and Kenny Rogers, just to name a few. > > In my own life experiences with Tom, he got us a wonderful improvisationa= l > gig on NPR Nashville and I remember one memorable evening jamming at his > home studio with German Frame drummer, David Kuckhermann. > Everytime I came to Nashville he would always insist on putting me up. > > One time, he apologetically told me that he couldn't give me > a ride back to the PASIC convention on the last day because he had a gig > in Memphis. > > I said, 'who are you gigging with' and he said, > nonchalantly....."Aretha". > > "ARETHA????? ARETHA FRANKLIN ARETHA?" I asked, > > and he said yes. Well, I blew off the last day of PASIC and we drove > together to > see Aretha......and I got to watch him do a three hour rehearsal with a 3= 0 > piece orchestra/band and even got to go > back stage and meet Aretha herself. > > Tom was so humble he wasn't even going to tell me that he couldn't give m= e > a ride to the > convention because he had a gig with the Queen of Soul. > > That was the kind of guy he was. A great player, a great heart, a > great wit, a great friend. > > RIP Tom Roady You will be sorely missed, brother!!!!! > > love, Rick Walker > > --=20 *From Brooklyn To Glindran*, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=F6rn. Proceeds from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com. woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com --20cf307f346a10a4ad04b2dff869 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick that's quite a story, quite a life and sounds like one of the few = 'main stay' call musicians of Nashville, really inspiring and terri= bly sad that another great artist has left the planet, the world we know. = =A0Sounds like you were blessed by the meeting that 'interrupted' y= our day that day. =A0Peace to you and peace to Tom's family.

Jim

On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 a= t 5:47 AM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
One of my dearest friends from the percussion and live looping world,
Tom Roady has passed away.

I got the news from Jerome Deupree and have no details but
this is just the saddest of news.

I was at the Nashville Pasic on the last day with several business appointm= ents
with endorsers and I kept getting this call from a guy named Tom Roady, who= I didn't know
who wanted to know more about live looping.

I finally promised him that I'd meet him in the food court of the conve= ntion center
at exactly 15 minutes to the hour with the proviso that i could only talk f= or around
10 minutes or so before my next appointment. =A0 I'll admit, =A0I was i= mpatient as hell
when this kind grey hair, bestacled man came up and introduced himself to m= e.

We talked for five minutes and in that five minutes I suddenly realized tha= t I had
met a soul brother. =A0 =A0Here was a cat who was knowledge as hell about w= orld percussion,
electronics, sequencing, drum controllers and who had not only a razor shar= p intellect
and a really wonderful sense of humor, but was also just the sweetest guy I= think I've ever
met.

We sat there for three hours, transfixed; =A0talking about all the things t= hat are rare to talk
about at a drumming convention if you are a little outside of the box.

I didn't even know who he was. =A0Afterwards I went to his website and = realized that I had
been naively talking to one of the great drummers of Nashville history.....= .....a guy who
had played with EVERYBODY!!!!!!!

Born in St. Louis, Roady got his first break working at the famed Muscle Sh= oals Sound Studio in Muscle Shoals, Alabama, where he recorded with such ar= tists as Mac Davis, Tom Jones, Candi Staton, and Paul Anka. Since then he h= as played with a vast roster of artists, including James Taylor, Aretha Fra= nklin, Wilson Pickett, Simon and Garfunkel, Michael McDonald, Bob Seger, Em= mylou Harris, Lynyrd Skynyrd, The Dixie Chicks, Kenny Chesney, Alabama, and= Kenny Rogers, just to name a few.

In my own life experiences with Tom, he got us a wonderful improvisational = gig on NPR Nashville and I remember one memorable evening jamming at his ho= me studio with German Frame drummer, David Kuckhermann.
Everytime I came to Nashville he would always insist on putting me up.

One time, =A0he apologetically told me that he couldn't give me
a ride back to the PASIC convention on the last day because he had a gig in= Memphis.

I said, =A0'who are you gigging with' =A0 =A0and he said, nonchalan= tly....."Aretha".

"ARETHA????? =A0 ARETHA FRANKLIN ARETHA?" =A0 I asked,

and he said yes. =A0 =A0Well, I blew off the last day of PASIC and we drove= together to
see Aretha......and I got to watch him do a three hour rehearsal with a 30 = piece orchestra/band and even got to go
back stage and meet Aretha herself.

Tom was so humble he wasn't even going to tell me that he couldn't = give me a ride to the
convention because he had a gig with the Queen of Soul.

That was the kind of guy he was. =A0 =A0A great player, =A0a great heart, = =A0a great wit, a great friend.

RIP =A0Tom Roady =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0You will be sorely missed, brother!!!!!

love, =A0 Rick Walker




--
From Broo= klyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & P= eter Th=F6rn.=A0 Proceeds
from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF Int= ernational.=A0 jimgoodinpeterthorn.bandcamp.com.

woo= dandwiremusic.wordpress.com
--20cf307f346a10a4ad04b2dff869-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 13:55:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B6B5183466; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:55:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4ED4E43F.3000707@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 05:55:11 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Roland GR55 - First Impressions review References: <4ED42319.4010602@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8fNC9C.A.3SE.HRO1OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:55:19 +0000 (UTC) On 11/28/11 4:39 PM, Simeon Harris wrote: > rick - the gi-10 and the gi-20 are just midi interfaces - plug your gk > pickup cable into one side and your midi cable comes out the other. > they don't have any internal sounds. > > sim > > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:11 AM, Rick Walker wrote: >> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Simeon Harris wrote: >> >> but pick up a roland gi-10 or gi-20 of ebay for >> a few quid and you've got yourself access to a bazillion synths, >> >> Hey Simeon, >> >> I've been wanting a module with synth sounds in it >> for a while now (to play with either a wind synth or >> with drum midi controller) >> >> I have the little microkorg but lately have desired >> to have some typical organs, clavinets, pianos, et. al. >> Are these rolands good for stuff like this? >> >> do they have any decent drum sounds, per chance? >> >> thanks for in advance for your intel. >> >> Rick >> > ahhhhh, thanks for that. I'm awash in midi interfaces.........a roland pad 80, a trigger finger, a Yamaha WX-5 wind synth and two midi keyboards. I wish I could find a small synth module that has even fairly pedesterian sounds in it for cheap. rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 14:08:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A676183462; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:08:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4ED4E74A.3090603@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 06:08:10 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rick Walker CC: sylvester malik , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Re: Re: Circular Breathing: Live Looping References: <4ED42171.4030307@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4ED42171.4030307@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:08:19 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > > His technique is nothing short of astonishing and no effects. This topic also reminds me that the late and wonderful Dr. Richard Zvonar used to tour with Jon Hassell. He told me that Hassel could get the same sound that he got on his records (save those harmonized parallel 4ths and 5ths) acoustically. He told me this just as I was trying to learn how to play trumpet as a found sound instrument. Knowing that sound was possible opened up an entire world for me of breathy trumpet playing and overtone manipulation. rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 14:27:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DEFF18345D; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:27:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Z5Hgcok/EFByqq44/mlS+S71IVL9ggCUgBB5cF31h9Y=; b=iFz5pgJqVuC3mCzyqX8m/bT4EpKufWH/IDwJCt/NRB+XBXqxvGBuczpA5bn/hzCkzA 9plIibkgo0ewtb7yGCJJY9jd/cbkqfpDKnOy1lO+w3XUzIfQDNL43dAzJRRcfN4biBEp 6f8sEg/kzItjeTTDoW13cwylwnZ/0LJGKQaUY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4ED4E43F.3000707@cruzio.com> References: <4ED42319.4010602@cruzio.com> <4ED4E43F.3000707@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:27:40 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Roland GR55 - First Impressions review From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:27:41 +0000 (UTC) just type synth module into ebay...more units than you can shake a stick at... here's one of the cheapest...no idea if it's any good or not... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kawai-K1r-Midi-Synth-Module-perfect-working-order-/= 220902158385?pt=3DKeyboards_MIDI&hash=3Ditem336ecb7031#ht_500wt_1156 On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 11/28/11 4:39 PM, Simeon Harris wrote: >> >> rick - the gi-10 and the gi-20 are just midi interfaces - plug your gk >> pickup cable into one side and your midi cable comes out the other. >> they don't have any internal sounds. >> >> sim >> >> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:11 AM, Rick Walker =A0wr= ote: >>> >>> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Simeon Harris wrote: >>> >>> but pick up a roland gi-10 or gi-20 of ebay for >>> a few quid and you've got yourself access to a bazillion synths, >>> >>> Hey Simeon, >>> >>> I've been wanting a module with synth sounds in it >>> for a while now (to play with either a wind synth or >>> with drum midi controller) >>> >>> I have the little microkorg but lately have desired >>> to have some typical organs, clavinets, pianos, et. al. >>> Are these rolands good for stuff like this? >>> >>> do they have any decent drum sounds, per chance? >>> >>> thanks for in advance for your intel. >>> >>> Rick >>> >> > ahhhhh, =A0thanks for that. > I'm awash in midi interfaces.........a roland pad 80, =A0a trigger finger= , =A0a > Yamaha WX-5 wind synth > and two midi keyboards. > > I wish I could find a small synth module that has even fairly pedesterian > sounds in it for cheap. > > rick > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 14:34:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11CB5183475; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:34:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [10.8.209.34] X-Originating-Email: [sylvester_malik_evidence_studios@hotmail.com] Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "sylvester malik " To: "Rick Walker " , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com " Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:34:18 +0000 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Circular Breathing: Live Looping X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2011 14:34:18.0517 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA103450:01CCAEA3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:34:19 +0000 (UTC) I wonder if there are any other folk that do this sort of thing on guitar/b= ass/etc... Without actually using any loopers, but relying soley on techniq= ue? Sylvester Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -----Original Message----- From: Rick Walker Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:08:10=20 To: Cc: ; Subject: Re: Re: Re: Circular Breathing: Live Looping On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Rick Walker wrote:=0A= >=0A= > His technique is nothing short of astonishing and no effects.=0A= This topic also reminds me that the late and wonderful Dr. Richard Zvonar= =0A= used to tour with Jon Hassell.=A0=A0=A0=A0 He told me that Hassel could get= the =0A= same sound that=0A= he got on his records (save those harmonized parallel=A0 4ths and 5ths)=0A= acoustically.=A0=A0=A0 He told me this just as I was trying to learn how to= =0A= play trumpet as=0A= a found sound instrument.=A0=A0 Knowing that sound was possible opened up a= n =0A= entire=0A= world for me of breathy trumpet playing and overtone manipulation.=0A= =0A= rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 15:08:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32916183460; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:08:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mVdLND3WZ4new/th0YngE9r3831g/eqdljZa5CJg7jk=; b=F5K4PIN2zrEufwBGIvHE5irl/HofPXIySyzdfEVloGNyigeI4qAQRi5Ls1prA3Pc+v C/WqSJ+V1MTDWNegwsUrzlTJLtYbJ/ajMxMw1PoOaAc00hi24zQ/E/DmRtZ4KINdYoTv slYGzRRBFx5quwW5zQ783Zt5uQ+U28XUuhEpM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 16:08:27 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Re: Circular Breathing: Live Looping From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:08:28 +0000 (UTC) Anyone that utilizes overtones on string instruments does the same thing as the wind/reed player that uses his voice to sing into the vibrating air pillar to bring it into overtone oscillation. "Relying soley on technique" I here interpret as creating polyphonic sounding audio from a monophonic instrument. Transformed to string instruments this would mean making one string sound with several simultaneous notes. That's actually a major technique to make string instruments sound cool and most players do it. A related technique for string instruments is to use acoustic feedback from a speaker through the air. By moving the instrument in space close to the speak the player can manipulate the overtones that gradually evolves in the process (check out Stanosaur on this list, and others). Such overtone implying feedback can also be magnetic, as if using an ebow or sustain pickup or mechanic as if using a physical Sustainiac clamper on the instrument's neck. For monophonic reed/wind instruments I see the musical need for these extended techniques but most string instruments have more than one string and are already designed for polyphonic playing. So with string instruments these techniques rather become an expressive effect than a tool for tonality. per On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 3:34 PM, sylvester malik wrote: > I wonder if there are any other folk that do this sort of thing on guitar= /bass/etc... Without actually using any loopers, but relying soley on techn= ique? > > Sylvester > Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Walker > Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:08:10 > To: > Cc: ; > Subject: Re: Re: Re: Circular Breathing: Live Looping > > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Rick Walker wrote: >> >> His technique is nothing short of astonishing and no effects. > This topic also reminds me that the late and wonderful Dr. Richard Zvonar > used to tour with Jon Hassell.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 He told me that Ha= ssel could get the > same sound that > he got on his records (save those harmonized parallel=C2=A0 4ths and 5ths= ) > acoustically.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 He told me this just as I was trying to l= earn how to > play trumpet as > a found sound instrument.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Knowing that sound was possible ope= ned up an > entire > world for me of breathy trumpet playing and overtone manipulation. > > rick walker > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 15:17:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88254183464; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:17:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_b37cda66-9fad-4e56-b56d-8423b4c1d291_" X-Originating-IP: [75.106.117.247] From: joy_top top To: Subject: Pseudo Bass lines Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 07:17:16 -0800 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2011 15:17:17.0948 (UTC) FILETIME=[FB8623C0:01CCAEA9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:17:19 +0000 (UTC) --_b37cda66-9fad-4e56-b56d-8423b4c1d291_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All this Pseudo bass talk brings me back to my boss ps-3 efforts which were= also unrewarding=2C but I love the ps-3 for other reasons. I now have a ba= ss/guitar double neck to get my fix. What about just vocalizing the bass lines=2C eq=2C and a zoom 506? = --_b37cda66-9fad-4e56-b56d-8423b4c1d291_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
All this Pseudo bass talk brings= me back to my boss ps-3 efforts which were also unrewarding=2C but I love = the ps-3 for other reasons. I now have a bass/guitar double neck to get my = fix.

What about just vocalizing the bass lines=2C eq=2C and a zoom 5= 06?
= --_b37cda66-9fad-4e56-b56d-8423b4c1d291_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 15:29:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6461E183460; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:29:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=sUJiZCWwHTNUyh6ip5d3BRxX2+CjVUWUWm8lx0HfnVc=; b=LN9P6RgqeLXZsQF7/zaQxazI3EzREOj1LKvAHxpaGvfD1GH1RUdd5jD3RAB6F47uzJ 6lDB+E3XvLDZwZz247kgP7sqqnzsXLXi9IuYbWgVsIg/rt6Cax1Q0O1fTmbp86vDypqX MKUf2qNE+luqERMuIAwl/d/AfXCl6NVotSAR4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 10:29:42 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Re: Circular Breathing: Live Looping From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec52e5c39cba61104b2e149dc Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:29:43 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec52e5c39cba61104b2e149dc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have always loved this guy :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I3Wk1DGxbw&feature=related On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:34 AM, sylvester malik < sylvester_malik_evidence_studios@hotmail.com> wrote: > I wonder if there are any other folk that do this sort of thing on > guitar/bass/etc... Without actually using any loopers, but relying soley on > technique? > > Sylvester > Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Walker > Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:08:10 > To: > Cc: ; < > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > Subject: Re: Re: Re: Circular Breathing: Live Looping > > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > > > > His technique is nothing short of astonishing and no effects. > This topic also reminds me that the late and wonderful Dr. Richard Zvonar > used to tour with Jon Hassell. He told me that Hassel could get the > same sound that > he got on his records (save those harmonized parallel 4ths and 5ths) > acoustically. He told me this just as I was trying to learn how to > play trumpet as > a found sound instrument. Knowing that sound was possible opened up an > entire > world for me of breathy trumpet playing and overtone manipulation. > > rick walker > > --bcaec52e5c39cba61104b2e149dc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have always loved this guy :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v= =3D4I3Wk1DGxbw&feature=3Drelated

= On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:34 AM, sylvester malik <sylvester_malik= _evidence_studios@hotmail.com> wrote:
I wonder if there are any other folk that d= o this sort of thing on guitar/bass/etc... Without actually using any loope= rs, but relying soley on technique?

Sylvester
Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Walker <looppool@cruzi= o.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:08:10
To: <looppool@cruzio.com><= br> Cc: <syl= vester_malik_evidence_studios@hotmail.com>; <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com&= gt;
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Circular Breathing: Live Looping

On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Rick Walker wrote:
>
> His technique is nothing short of astonishing and no effects.
This topic also reminds me that the late and wonderful Dr. Richard Zvonar used to tour with Jon Hassell.=A0=A0=A0=A0 He told me that Hassel could get= the
same sound that
he got on his records (save those harmonized parallel=A0 4ths and 5ths)
acoustically.=A0=A0=A0 He told me this just as I was trying to learn how to=
play trumpet as
a found sound instrument.=A0=A0 Knowing that sound was possible opened up a= n
entire
world for me of breathy trumpet playing and overtone manipulation.

rick walker


--bcaec52e5c39cba61104b2e149dc-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 15:32:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5BB7183463; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:32:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=MWVqbMv+Md6xhP7wR7pFPkMevgdBnaaLJrbT0+QX4eI=; b=ClfJep8gRjdF4OtWy0VCjCramAHTGlv3UQQ0dPYqh8ogHGUDr1bR34WxU8+3bgGWMz bXnpdF/vJJrHnijtF3QvMrUjB4infhOc740FfcqM7v0DfgJzl30QahMJqA0hGbdNjudk 7JuBpw6fIW7udjdeIpQhI5VqEPDTjllUMUOtI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 16:32:14 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Pseudo Bass lines From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:32:14 +0000 (UTC) If using a looper that allows quantized substituting and speed shifting that can be used create a bassline in the looper, out of playing in the normal non-bass register. Here is such a live looping improvisation I did with a flute. You can clearly hear how the first loop is created (beat-boxing), how it is then speed shifted up an octave and into double-speed. The second loop is then created, on a parallel track, by two quick licks through a sixteenth note grid dynamic mute processing and finally speed shifted down an octave to become the bass line. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4963264/flute_fractals.mp3 I started developing these live looping techniques on the EDP, fiddled around with on on laptop with Augustus Loop hosted in Live until finally finding the best looping tool in Mobius on laptop. The Line6 DL4 is a nice stompbox looper that allows a bit of this. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 15:32:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4084B18345D; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:32:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=0YwKn40ZdqLV8FtXTzecSHTfyLZy9Q8Gjaa9CtGOwb4=; b=BmlRYPehSbnGKOAxxOwIFiqGJB8GvAQG5ZvQFIP8v/dbmKduEV3Wjsyyjo6VCCD5i3 Okq9QHa9K8pACevvDIuCL/XRyPaZ2Vli0lzzDM2C3Yq/hGNjCe294x7WA8tsPb1LeoC4 29UNUPuIi3mKKkSBb0b0HzqQ1tLhGZhqXx3rg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: Mike Fugazzi Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:32:07 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Pseudo Bass lines To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340f9db36c2a04b2e1535d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:32:29 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340f9db36c2a04b2e1535d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I vocalize almost all my bass lines with the OC-2 and Tech 21 Bass Driver DI. The trick is making sure you are singing in tune! ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:17 AM, joy_top top wrote: > All this Pseudo bass talk brings me back to my boss ps-3 efforts which > were also unrewarding, but I love the ps-3 for other reasons. I now have a > bass/guitar double neck to get my fix. > > What about just vocalizing the bass lines, eq, and a zoom 506? > --14dae9340f9db36c2a04b2e1535d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I vocalize almost all my bass lines with the OC-2 and Tech 21 Bass Driver D= I.=A0 The trick is making sure you are singing in tune!=A0
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Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Face= book
YouTube
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:17 AM, joy_top= top <joy_top@h= otmail.com> wrote:
All this Pseudo bass talk brings me back to my boss p= s-3 efforts which were also unrewarding, but I love the ps-3 for other reas= ons. I now have a bass/guitar double neck to get my fix.

What about = just vocalizing the bass lines, eq, and a zoom 506?

--14dae9340f9db36c2a04b2e1535d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 15:38:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BD0B183462; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:38:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=PBURD2KdvmqFpot0/CcEYFUJYDF9kJ6KD1UEewxC8OA=; b=maj7RF2QpWTKiFTEkOgtGtpkEFClwny+L2tVL24B47Rq4Ujp7OkUr4O3otXA+IyoIb YIqdvivw0w0e10ryV0OEtUEEYo9vWnsOFcU1QSb21+7pDLf71CMdHH+2C/PFW6jFYVVT iQnRHBPcIyQ4d+CNgQ/JPNELUYdKcPMhP8yKA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 23:38:39 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Re: Circular Breathing: Live Looping From: eib halimski To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307f386cd3b4db04b2e16973 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:38:40 +0000 (UTC) --20cf307f386cd3b4db04b2e16973 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Phenomenal technique on the sax. > > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 3:34 PM, sylvester malik > wrote: > > I wonder if there are any other folk that do this sort of thing on > guitar/bass/etc... Without actually using any loopers, but relying soley on > technique? > > > > Sylvester > > Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network > well there is. try checkout Dominic Frasca. Sounds like it's looped but it's not. Sorry for crashing on this thread Rick :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCQ9pTemmdE&feature=related --20cf307f386cd3b4db04b2e16973 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Phenomenal technique on the sax.=A0
=
=A0
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 3:34 PM, sylvester malik
<sylvest= er_malik_evidence_studios@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I wonder if there are any other folk that do this sort of thing on gui= tar/bass/etc... Without actually using any loopers, but relying soley on te= chnique?
>
> Sylvester
> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network

well there is. try checkout Dominic= Frasca. Sounds like it's looped but it's not. Sorry for crashing o= n this thread Rick :P=A0

--20cf307f386cd3b4db04b2e16973-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 15:40:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33FFF183463; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:40:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=my5PzBIg2wfKKfvw+0UmVV964xivNsqAAb8JzO6tGsk=; b=GtVIgY8Icw8fIZ1S11S40xwffF8gMoCzOwXApqPtiHUyWAH/Hf7lk7/LgDv5bzOKQL oEZlqhKUQLgNLSBHa8nYwnNHKXw+12dZ6w39c7xTe8PNx/oYqCpEpJZyc8hrvqCOXij/ Ad94Gz5+Fp9x/rwLXN1xPS65RNNWB4R/+iZPc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 16:40:13 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Pseudo Bass lines From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:40:13 +0000 (UTC) Octave shifters etc change the instrument's timbre. If you're not hip to that, another strategy to expand your performance palette over the bass as well as mid and high note range is to play an instrument that offers such an extended note range. Myself this has led me to learning the EWI and the Chapman Stick. It's a nice feeling not having to rely on effects or extended looping techniques for the low bass but simply being able to play the stuff as you want it to sound. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 15:42:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 769B7183464; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:42:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=QmEMgL3ThFz1ic43MvmAAOhj582FrcTWhHjmiDi3Cpk=; b=N3wPEVkeRqunVqwDIic+cjXiZ3fvCbXnFRUvJDq8LGXsO6gH68rnmQ/4AEZagQJJgP NMSAEERMUR3gcNfC/I1bcmh8kN+WTGeniktN0mGJ8gXI8af/+iQQqA/alDpl8ZDHG/sb 0VPO/EJOHXHikURtW5olD/8ipsK+hSeF9JUhs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: Mike Fugazzi Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:42:25 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Pseudo Bass lines To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340a518479ca04b2e1783c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:42:47 +0000 (UTC) --14dae9340a518479ca04b2e1783c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Here is how I do it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZEiGB5AzsU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxh_m9E2s1c http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spkepjKQ2jY I have the octave pedal before the looper and turn it on and off to create the bass line in real time. I don't have to speed up/slow down, I can add it anywhere in the creation of the loop, and I can turn it on/off whenever. I can add the effect to anything I play. The trick here is I can send everything through the Bass Driver DI and it sounds good going into the PA. I can also take an unaffected line from the DI to go straight to the amp. I've found that the settings I like live for "bass" on the DI also make the beatboxing and harmonica sound better. I mix that with a feed from my amp and then can eq/mix to taste. The limitations with this are that everything ends up being on the same channel - bass, beatboxing, and harmonica. I don't have to use the DI, I can mix them all separately, but in the end, they are all on the same channel in the PA...so if the sound man wants more presence from the harp, it is added to the bass and beatboxing too. I have it setup so I can mix from my pedal board and my hope is that with two feeds - from the DI and the amp, that it can be mixed good enough. My philosophy is that the DI feed is where the bottom end and rhythm parts really sound the best. The harmonica doesn't sound bad at all, but I want a good bass/beatbox sound first and foremost. The bass and beatboxing hitting the amp are low in the mix compared to the harmonica to the point that the DI feed should overpower it. The amp gets me a grittier and more fullfilling harmonica tone and I don't rely on the amp to support the bass/beatboxing. Honestly, I could get by just fine without the amp. ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > If using a looper that allows quantized substituting and speed > shifting that can be used create a bassline in the looper, out of > playing in the normal non-bass register. Here is such a live looping > improvisation I did with a flute. You can clearly hear how the first > loop is created (beat-boxing), how it is then speed shifted up an > octave and into double-speed. The second loop is then created, on a > parallel track, by two quick licks through a sixteenth note grid > dynamic mute processing and finally speed shifted down an octave to > become the bass line. > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4963264/flute_fractals.mp3 > > I started developing these live looping techniques on the EDP, fiddled > around with on on laptop with Augustus Loop hosted in Live until > finally finding the best looping tool in Mobius on laptop. The Line6 > DL4 is a nice stompbox looper that allows a bit of this. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > --14dae9340a518479ca04b2e1783c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here is how I do it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DSZEiGB5AzsU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v= =3Dmxh_m9E2s1c
http://www.youtube= .com/watch?v=3DspkepjKQ2jY

I have the octave pedal before the lo= oper and turn it on and off to create the bass line in real time. I don'= ;t have to speed up/slow down, I can add it anywhere in the creation of the= loop, and I can turn it on/off whenever.=A0 I can add the effect to anythi= ng I play.

The trick here is I can send everything through the Bass Driver DI and = it sounds good going into the PA.=A0 I can also take an unaffected line fro= m the DI to go straight to the amp.=A0 I've found that the settings I l= ike live for "bass" on the DI also make the beatboxing and harmon= ica sound better.=A0 I mix that with a feed from my amp and then can eq/mix= to taste.

The limitations with this are that everything ends up being on the same= channel - bass, beatboxing, and harmonica.=A0 I don't have to use the = DI, I can mix them all separately, but in the end, they are all on the same= channel in the PA...so if the sound man wants more presence from the harp,= it is added to the bass and beatboxing too.

I have it setup so I can mix from my pedal board and my hope is that wi= th two feeds - from the DI and the amp, that it can be mixed good enough. = =A0=A0

My philosophy is that the DI feed is where the bottom end an= d rhythm parts really sound the best.=A0 The harmonica doesn't sound ba= d at all, but I want a good bass/beatbox sound first and foremost.=A0 The b= ass and beatboxing hitting the amp are low in the mix compared to the harmo= nica to the point that the DI feed should overpower it.=A0 The amp gets me = a grittier and more fullfilling harmonica tone and I don't rely on the = amp to support the bass/beatboxing.

Honestly, I could get by just fine without the amp.
--= --------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Per Boy= sen <perboysen@= gmail.com> wrote:
If using a looper that allows quantized substituting and speed
shifting that can be used create a bassline in the looper, out of
playing in the normal non-bass register. Here is such a live looping
improvisation I did with a flute. You can clearly hear how the first
loop is created (beat-boxing), how it is then speed shifted up an
octave and into double-speed. The second loop is then created, on a
parallel track, by two quick licks through a sixteenth note grid
dynamic mute processing and finally speed shifted down an octave to
become the bass line.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4963264/flute_fractals.mp3

I started developing these live looping techniques on the EDP, fiddled
around with on on laptop with Augustus Loop hosted in Live until
finally finding the best looping tool in Mobius on laptop. The Line6
DL4 is a nice stompbox looper that allows a bit of this.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen


--14dae9340a518479ca04b2e1783c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 15:44:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9FD0183464; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:44:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=6mFjPAW7Cgg0mmyi6wtJuG9efAs7uWL1vFJV8OpgaPg=; b=ay4OZYId+/6hsAtdwFxw+PfeOtBMQamPzfis/Saf+40KogCrTyZUkfGRA+VrLnl028 s5P7DRlPYdxQPrghvdeQ1+io00N6GcA7oO9Hkth5i2OvzllfTykmMENVivzDRo723Yi3 MNfNzwKLvzAaeQde3n0wp8OVYp6hwJOdMp0do= References: <4ED4B82C.60300@cruzio.com> <739850C2-706A-4360-9749-E68875795700@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <739850C2-706A-4360-9749-E68875795700@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6A18ADCB-78DE-4307-A253-FBBA8F64C3AF Message-Id: <4CF062E4-DCD7-4235-AB72-72F3EBA75C09@gmail.com> Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , David Kuckhermann , sue cole X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9A405) From: Jim Goodin Subject: Re: rip Tom Roady Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 10:44:11 -0500 To: Jerome & Lisa Deupree Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:44:13 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6A18ADCB-78DE-4307-A253-FBBA8F64C3AF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Sounds like a dear soul and 'to live out his time...' lot to respect and thi= nk about. Jim Get Tips Across the Waters for your iDevice, http://iTunes.apple.com/us/app/= tips-across-the-waters/id474128076?=3Dmt8 On Nov 29, 2011, at 10:35 AM, Jerome & Lisa Deupree wro= te: > Apparently he died of a heart attack in his sleep, but had been diagnosed w= ith a terminal condition and had chosen to just live out his time in a norma= l fashion. He was touring with Ricky Skaggs, and played the night before he p= assed. > I remember when Rick and Tom met, and later Tom greeted me as a long lost= friend even though I'd talked to him maybe once before several years earlie= r. He will be sorely missed by a lot of folks, but we do know that the band i= n heaven just got another great player.=20 >=20 > My thoughts are with his family and friends. Take care, JD > On Nov 29, 2011, at 8:55 AM, Jim Goodin wrote: >=20 >> Rick that's quite a story, quite a life and sounds like one of the few 'm= ain stay' call musicians of Nashville, really inspiring and terribly sad tha= t another great artist has left the planet, the world we know. Sounds like y= ou were blessed by the meeting that 'interrupted' your day that day. Peace t= o you and peace to Tom's family. >>=20 >> Jim >>=20 >> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 5:47 AM, Rick Walker wrote:= >> One of my dearest friends from the percussion and live looping world, >> Tom Roady has passed away. >>=20 >> I got the news from Jerome Deupree and have no details but >> this is just the saddest of news. >>=20 >> I was at the Nashville Pasic on the last day with several business appoin= tments >> with endorsers and I kept getting this call from a guy named Tom Roady, w= ho I didn't know >> who wanted to know more about live looping. >>=20 >> I finally promised him that I'd meet him in the food court of the convent= ion center >> at exactly 15 minutes to the hour with the proviso that i could only talk= for around >> 10 minutes or so before my next appointment. I'll admit, I was impatie= nt as hell >> when this kind grey hair, bestacled man came up and introduced himself to= me. >>=20 >> We talked for five minutes and in that five minutes I suddenly realized t= hat I had >> met a soul brother. Here was a cat who was knowledge as hell about wor= ld percussion, >> electronics, sequencing, drum controllers and who had not only a razor sh= arp intellect >> and a really wonderful sense of humor, but was also just the sweetest guy= I think I've ever >> met. >>=20 >> We sat there for three hours, transfixed; talking about all the things t= hat are rare to talk >> about at a drumming convention if you are a little outside of the box. >>=20 >> I didn't even know who he was. Afterwards I went to his website and real= ized that I had >> been naively talking to one of the great drummers of Nashville history...= .......a guy who >> had played with EVERYBODY!!!!!!! >>=20 >> Born in St. Louis, Roady got his first break working at the famed Muscle S= hoals Sound Studio in Muscle Shoals, Alabama, where he recorded with such ar= tists as Mac Davis, Tom Jones, Candi Staton, and Paul Anka. Since then he ha= s played with a vast roster of artists, including James Taylor, Aretha Frank= lin, Wilson Pickett, Simon and Garfunkel, Michael McDonald, Bob Seger, Emmyl= ou Harris, Lynyrd Skynyrd, The Dixie Chicks, Kenny Chesney, Alabama, and Ken= ny Rogers, just to name a few. >>=20 >> In my own life experiences with Tom, he got us a wonderful improvisationa= l gig on NPR Nashville and I remember one memorable evening jamming at his h= ome studio with German Frame drummer, David Kuckhermann. >> Everytime I came to Nashville he would always insist on putting me up. >>=20 >> One time, he apologetically told me that he couldn't give me >> a ride back to the PASIC convention on the last day because he had a gig i= n Memphis. >>=20 >> I said, 'who are you gigging with' and he said, nonchalantly....."Are= tha". >>=20 >> "ARETHA????? ARETHA FRANKLIN ARETHA?" I asked, >>=20 >> and he said yes. Well, I blew off the last day of PASIC and we drove t= ogether to >> see Aretha......and I got to watch him do a three hour rehearsal with a 3= 0 piece orchestra/band and even got to go >> back stage and meet Aretha herself. >>=20 >> Tom was so humble he wasn't even going to tell me that he couldn't give m= e a ride to the >> convention because he had a gig with the Queen of Soul. >>=20 >> That was the kind of guy he was. A great player, a great heart, a gr= eat wit, a great friend. >>=20 >> RIP Tom Roady You will be sorely missed, brother!!!!! >>=20 >> love, Rick Walker >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> =46rom Brooklyn To Glindran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodi= n & Peter Th=C3=B6rn. Proceeds >> from the sale of this CD will benefit JDRF International. jimgoodinpeter= thorn.bandcamp.com. >>=20 >> woodandwiremusic.wordpress.com >=20 --Apple-Mail-6A18ADCB-78DE-4307-A253-FBBA8F64C3AF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Sounds like a dear soul an= d 'to live out his time...' lot to respect and think about.

Jim

Get Tips Across the Waters for your iDevice, ht= tp://iTunes.apple.com/us/app/tips-across-the-waters/id474128076?=3Dmt8

On Nov 29, 2011, at 10:35 AM, Jerome & Lisa Deupree <bbfarm@comcast.net> wrote:

<= /div>
Apparently he died of a heart= attack in his sleep, but had been diagnosed with a terminal condition and h= ad chosen to just live out his time in a normal fashion. He was touring with= Ricky Skaggs, and played the night before he passed.
 I remember w= hen Rick and Tom met, and later Tom greeted me as a long lost friend even th= ough I'd talked to him maybe once before several years earlier. He will be s= orely missed by a lot of folks, but we do know that the band in heaven just g= ot another great player. 

My thoughts are with= his family and friends.  Take care, JD
On Nov 29, 2011, a= t 8:55 AM, Jim Goodin wrote:

Rick that's quite a story, quite a life and sounds l= ike one of the few 'main stay' call musicians of Nashville, really inspiring= and terribly sad that another great artist has left the planet, the world w= e know.  Sounds like you were blessed by the meeting that 'interrupted'= your day that day.  Peace to you and peace to Tom's family.

<= /div>
Jim

On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 5:47= AM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
"ARETHA?????   ARETHA FRANKLIN ARETHA?"   I asked,

and= he said yes.    Well, I blew off the last day of PASIC and we dro= ve together to
see Aretha......and I got to watch him do a three hour re= hearsal with a 30 piece orchestra/band and even got to go
back stage and= meet Aretha herself.

Tom was so humble he wasn't even going to tel= l me that he couldn't give me a ride to the
convention because he had a g= ig with the Queen of Soul.

That was the kind of guy he was.   &= nbsp;A great player,  a great heart,  a great wit, a great friend.=

RIP  Tom Roady        You will be sorely m= issed, brother!!!!!

love,   Rick Walker

=



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=46rom Brooklyn To Glin= dran, a new World/Free Jazz recording by Jim Goodin & Peter Th=C3=B6= rn.  Proceeds
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= --Apple-Mail-6A18ADCB-78DE-4307-A253-FBBA8F64C3AF-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 15:48:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 693E7183473; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:48:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=1LhVYoYoMZYVasFI7ugG4M6Ke4lzjLgO6VqZN2A/dyw=; b=ogxAOIQaoMkbt2zqrqrZOvcNnJ5Yd1MpuuEbLXAk1b1WjM4V7r5OtkjaR3lUDGTFuf 8GQOEOLVqgWO8G5DIX9rgdyXGFahFC+AMwbqIGvnRIBwu3i03d3v/JMButS5vf3MuU5o yYqVjqIWXCJvl5hymDjZSdI/a7vWydYTjFCx8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 16:48:09 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Re: Circular Breathing: Live Looping From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:48:10 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Jeff Duke wrote: > I have always loved this guy :) > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I3Wk1DGxbw&feature=related Such a lovely MECH MONSTER INSTRUMENT! A typical kind of instrument you want others to play... I mean, how would you bring it on a flight to a gig? ;-)) Seems to be a lot of fun to play but a hell to tune and set up. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 15:59:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AF1618348A; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:59:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=ExBz9NA3QwtZqDEpVRnNhnuFezaD4D9h7lKGboFfv58=; b=xu72hBitcUmp3eYCoMnnEFJ5v7IwQZkohH0OPrNg0kyUFKOHtwhsKn7LF/N4UJ6OzN tF6jlNq0wnOIaY4Tos03NMy/FLV6tycC8qijxzHEAimnFUYW7m8tV29rMwJRTMP0t3wd xQFktSF/d86WP45KhUSh2RUkC26ygxpHfphKQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 16:58:57 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: JMHMgAGrImhs-42Ftxsh-ni399E Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Re: Circular Breathing: Live Looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5c252c1da5404b2e1b325 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:59:20 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5c252c1da5404b2e1b325 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thats incredible! Is there some info somewhere on his instrument (and mods)? On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Jeff Duke wrote: > > I have always loved this guy :) > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I3Wk1DGxbw&feature=related > > Such a lovely MECH MONSTER INSTRUMENT! > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --001636c5c252c1da5404b2e1b325 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thats incredible! Is there some info somewhere on his instrument (and mods)= ?

On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Per Bo= ysen <perboysen= @gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4= :29 PM, Jeff Duke <jeffloops@gmai= l.com> wrote:
> I have always loved this guy :)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4I3Wk1DGxbw&= ;feature=3Drelated

Such a lovely MECH MONSTER INSTRUMENT!
=

--
Mark Francombe
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>
--001636c5c252c1da5404b2e1b325-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 16:24:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C78A518349D; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 16:24:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=wdAMA3ax0XYJQQpZLCSPmunIjJMH1sU39BpPEMIlFGc=; b=mxQB91acN1cRVcGCTmT4aMf9lXMRmPGHvQZa7EQoYOfXh2CBpUdLIrvj0rJIGB4Ict ptbFIoicvew7F6kS0mJ4HDM6IVMr3G5taihog5y4zScn+iDhRtrOk6r0Qo0kBGjBwK9v eB2jh/IlLkB/rDBcG2U5biHcfD/6qL5O5XDow= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 11:24:10 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Re: Circular Breathing: Live Looping From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec5314943a04b6804b2e20c97 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 16:24:13 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec5314943a04b6804b2e20c97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Lot's more here http://www.youtube.com/user/AngeliProductions but his main site is in Italian and I haven't figured out how to translate it yet :) Teaser here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf0bl3ol_A4&feature=related like to find this documentary! And his site has some docs under the press section http://www.paoloangeli.it/ On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:58 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Thats incredible! Is there some info somewhere on his instrument (and > mods)? > > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Jeff Duke wrote: >> > I have always loved this guy :) >> > >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I3Wk1DGxbw&feature=related >> >> Such a lovely MECH MONSTER INSTRUMENT! >> > > -- > *Mark Francombe* > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > --bcaec5314943a04b6804b2e20c97 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lot's more here http://www.youtube.com/user/AngeliProductions but his main site is i= n Italian and I haven't figured out how to translate it yet :) Teaser h= ere http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DPf0bl3ol_A4&feature=3Drelated<= /a> like to find this documentary!

And his site has some docs under the press section http://www.paoloangeli.it/

On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:58 AM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com&= gt; wrote:
Thats incredible! Is there some info somewh= ere on his instrument (and mods)?

On Tue,= Nov 29, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>= wrote:
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Jeff D= uke <jeffloops@= gmail.com> wrote:
> I have always loved this guy :)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4I3Wk1DGxbw&= ;feature=3Drelated

Such a lovely MECH MONSTER INSTRUMENT!

--
Mark Francombe=
www.markfrancombe.com
www.ordoabkhao.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://www.looop.no
twitter @markfrancombe
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/
<= /font>

--bcaec5314943a04b6804b2e20c97-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 16:34:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 699F618349B; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 16:34:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=cHBU70EkvRhnzv9M+Wfr2zJspNVdljl81KmtBKxK+zs=; b=jXynCZ+x4Ap6cZNfL/FTsfhEuw8do8QGUL2sfSJ+fPLozur3aUsdHc80Wj1CeZn0jG UpIKqioAh6/l39o+6ocoK/eqf9AML7CE02bWkvAZUu8CLI+WFrH+y2Dqmc448ECZpqze 0xE7HhPV4qwMtJars7BDuOgYZBymS9PlpXZOw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 17:34:21 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Re: Circular Breathing: Live Looping From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 16:34:22 +0000 (UTC) FYI: Rick Walker and Michael Peters, of this list, have bought The Harmonic Capo which may give you a similar overtone effect for an ordinary guitar: http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/reviews/guitar_effects/weasel_trap/harmonic_capo/index.html Per On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Jeff Duke wrote: > Lot's more here http://www.youtube.com/user/AngeliProductions but his main > site is in Italian and I haven't figured out how to translate it yet :) > Teaser here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf0bl3ol_A4&feature=related like > to find this documentary! > > And his site has some docs under the press section > http://www.paoloangeli.it/ > > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:58 AM, mark francombe > wrote: >> >> Thats incredible! Is there some info somewhere on his instrument (and >> mods)? >> >> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Jeff Duke wrote: >>> > I have always loved this guy :) >>> > >>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I3Wk1DGxbw&feature=related >>> >>> Such a lovely MECH MONSTER INSTRUMENT! >> >> >> -- >> Mark Francombe >> www.markfrancombe.com >> www.ordoabkhao.com >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://www.looop.no >> twitter @markfrancombe >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 16:48:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD187183486; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 16:48:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=azzo4+ZtsKDuNaUig6MLzWDMGI8GCt26Xi3IaI3qbtk=; b=ZSfEqH/4Bf3ijmCDNxUoOd4mJuXeVLmSSMrA42kI2miZR+BmOIlRMjahib04EzEwcE o7jb8tj1XTc2wJjU9rBSod78QgPU9CqYGnzDAAL9dCnl96dHYv5xgBbZPd+7tayRZpDS ZYv+Nnh490S7eATDwBxxLOfd0ORp6bwZGh4bg= References: From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8L1) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 17:47:57 +0100 Message-ID: <8228046178366261469@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: Circular Breathing: Live Looping To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 16:48:01 +0000 (UTC) yes i got one too, i was more interested In the foot pedals... crazy cool! Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 29 Nov 2011, at 17:34, Per Boysen wrote: > FYI: > Rick Walker and Michael Peters, of this list, have bought The Harmonic > Capo which may give you a similar overtone effect for an ordinary > guitar: > http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/reviews/guitar_effects/weasel_trap/harmonic_capo/index.html > > Per > > > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Jeff Duke wrote: >> Lot's more here http://www.youtube.com/user/AngeliProductions but his main >> site is in Italian and I haven't figured out how to translate it yet :) >> Teaser here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf0bl3ol_A4&feature=related like >> to find this documentary! >> >> And his site has some docs under the press section >> http://www.paoloangeli.it/ >> >> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:58 AM, mark francombe >> wrote: >>> >>> Thats incredible! Is there some info somewhere on his instrument (and >>> mods)? >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >>>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Jeff Duke wrote: >>>>> I have always loved this guy :) >>>>> >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I3Wk1DGxbw&feature=related >>>> >>>> Such a lovely MECH MONSTER INSTRUMENT! >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mark Francombe >>> www.markfrancombe.com >>> www.ordoabkhao.com >>> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >>> http://www.looop.no >>> twitter @markfrancombe >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 17:37:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8D4E183478; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 17:37:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=eKjMCR+SoT4AvA7aPdENzyk/fw3Xx99viUefu4Q3mMk=; b=vL/3bb4+udkbVA3rNHUHCNYtAxAobJ7tGxsDkUqzUWOZMTXJ+wdSSKskNR+PtGH3g6 8szk0KxlAWRjANq27x0L4WkTwFJFyo6SG5Y0vcpUNnxBYTayHW0DKNkVk1SNzTH3AS1+ mOZcJgKI2WiTDsFo08GAAWhzKQF3a2QOw8SPo= References: <8228046178366261469@unknownmsgid> In-Reply-To: <8228046178366261469@unknownmsgid> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9A405) From: Jim Goodin Subject: Re: Circular Breathing: Live Looping Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 12:37:33 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 17:37:35 +0000 (UTC) That was really cool, love all the preparedness of his guitarcello not to me= ntion the nice visuals through the editing Get Tips Across the Waters for your iDevice, http://iTunes.apple.com/us/app/= tips-across-the-waters/id474128076?=3Dmt8 On Nov 29, 2011, at 11:47 AM, mark francombe wrote= : > yes i got one too, i was more interested In the foot pedals... crazy cool!= >=20 > Sent from my (advertisement removed) >=20 > On 29 Nov 2011, at 17:34, Per Boysen wrote: >=20 >> FYI: >> Rick Walker and Michael Peters, of this list, have bought The Harmonic >> Capo which may give you a similar overtone effect for an ordinary >> guitar: >> http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/reviews/guitar_effects/weasel_trap/harmoni= c_capo/index.html >>=20 >> Per >>=20 >>=20 >> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Jeff Duke wrote: >>> Lot's more here http://www.youtube.com/user/AngeliProductions but his ma= in >>> site is in Italian and I haven't figured out how to translate it yet :) >>> Teaser here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DPf0bl3ol_A4&feature=3Drelat= ed like >>> to find this documentary! >>>=20 >>> And his site has some docs under the press section >>> http://www.paoloangeli.it/ >>>=20 >>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:58 AM, mark francombe >>> wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> Thats incredible! Is there some info somewhere on his instrument (and >>>> mods)? >>>>=20 >>>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Per Boysen wrote= : >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Jeff Duke wrote= : >>>>>> I have always loved this guy :) >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4I3Wk1DGxbw&feature=3Drelated >>>>>=20 >>>>> Such a lovely MECH MONSTER INSTRUMENT! >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> -- >>>> Mark Francombe >>>> www.markfrancombe.com >>>> www.ordoabkhao.com >>>> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >>>> http://www.looop.no >>>> twitter @markfrancombe >>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 17:48:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5B2D183477; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 17:48:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=bf0sHgXkBs4L+5br8wcJbsSVUSy1LLYUoT4Zgh8p0m4=; b=vxyRPtYStxb+1v9pkNbJ75mJauY9/LF3mR3Cvs5sJH/43zEXMvimlPfx06u5pqasOH SYQnRxy0w3qDPD3zp5yP5GOI/Q7lxFS1Ec+H/Poe56ACdI9k2+t3sy16NRCTisTefQ55 b7gzz2o83X5MT8vkvAvZWRfFQH7m36Yuz8Qdw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4ED4E74A.3090603@cruzio.com> References: <4ED42171.4030307@cruzio.com> <4ED4E74A.3090603@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:48:58 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Re: Circular Breathing: Live Looping From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c0e32dba16904b2e33b30 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 17:48:59 +0000 (UTC) --0015174c0e32dba16904b2e33b30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Trumpeter Liz Allbee uses a lot of the same techniques as Jon Hassell, except she had never heard of Hassell until people started telling her about the similarities. Liz lived in the Bay Area for a while, but she moved to Berlin a couple years ago. Unlike Hassell, she does not use harmonizers, but occasionally uses other electronic effects. She mostly plays improv, noise and occasionally punk rock. I'm sure she's on youtube, but I'm not supposed to be on youtube while at work. Up in the San Francisco/East Bay improv scene, where "extended technique" is the standard technique, there seems to be more wind/reed players who use circular breathing than those who don't. I've seen some incredible performances by Matt Ingalls, John Ingle (no relation) and Phillip Greenlief. John Butcher (from the UK) is also really good. -- Matt Davignon mattdavignon@gmail.com www.ribosomemusic.com Podcast! http://ribosomematt.podomatic.com Rigs! http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:08 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > >> >> His technique is nothing short of astonishing and no effects. >> > This topic also reminds me that the late and wonderful Dr. Richard Zvonar > used to tour with Jon Hassell. He told me that Hassel could get the > same sound that > he got on his records (save those harmonized parallel 4ths and 5ths) > acoustically. He told me this just as I was trying to learn how to play > trumpet as > a found sound instrument. Knowing that sound was possible opened up an > entire > world for me of breathy trumpet playing and overtone manipulation. > > rick walker > > --0015174c0e32dba16904b2e33b30 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Trumpeter Liz Allbee uses a lot of the same techniques as Jon Hassell, exce= pt she had never heard of Hassell until people started telling her about th= e similarities.

Liz lived in the Bay Area for a while, but she move= d to Berlin a couple years ago. Unlike Hassell, she does not use harmonizer= s, but occasionally uses other electronic effects. She mostly plays improv,= noise and occasionally punk rock.

I'm sure she's on youtube, but I'm not supposed to be on yo= utube while at work.


Up in the San Francisco/East Bay improv sc= ene, where "extended technique" is the standard technique, there = seems to be more wind/reed players who use circular breathing than those wh= o don't. I've seen some incredible performances by Matt Ingalls, Jo= hn Ingle (no relation) and Phillip Greenlief. John Butcher (from the UK) is= also really good.


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Matt Davignon
mattdavignon@gmail.com
www.ribosomemusic.com
Podcast! http://ribosome= matt.podomatic.com
Rigs! http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt


On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:08 AM, Rick Walker &l= t;looppool@cruzio.com>= wrote:
On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Rick= Walker wrote:

His technique is nothing short of astonishing and no effects.
This topic also reminds me that the late and wonderful Dr. Richard Zvonar used to tour with Jon Hassell. =A0 =A0 He told me that Hassel could get the= same sound that
he got on his records (save those harmonized parallel =A04ths and 5ths)
acoustically. =A0 =A0He told me this just as I was trying to learn how to p= lay trumpet as
a found sound instrument. =A0 Knowing that sound was possible opened up an = entire
world for me of breathy trumpet playing and overtone manipulation.

rick walker




--0015174c0e32dba16904b2e33b30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 18:57:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDCFF183463; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 18:56:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=jE9Dd6QpLgBqDlZEjcADwsGU1rUH1rfsCD21sCdJBr0=; b=LaRLnCLio20jHG8Sr7Bwp/Qxh3421MYH21qAop/rZOwkI1DKWlURvYGSXe1JFr5JE0 +jpcZhDyRVtmOUC71+goz7BJRmVWr2v11HI60DYZgy64iPjtLPyGLe52pVc1dItVGmzT 4O69ndC/U3UhocbRYWBPJLm4u6zmepR5Kv8z0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8228046178366261469@unknownmsgid> References: <8228046178366261469@unknownmsgid> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 19:56:58 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Circular Breathing: Live Looping From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <_28uUB.A.uwC.7rS1OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 18:56:59 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 5:47 PM, mark francombe wrote: > i was more interested In the foot pedals... crazy cool! >From the video it looks as he is using the tube hosted wire hardware of hand controlled bicycle brakes between the mechanical foot pedals and the overtone "string touchers" to play them by feet. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 20:00:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D20E183463; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 20:00:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=v36RuFD03Vrg8ZXS9u+G1n0wsMjsFK75HdzMQCTYM6Y=; b=grOAw5+wG8P4OAAd769IABcZmNZHpD/BN/RN2as+i6tt75nmUH/RCI7MbFYZffkWJZ /39yNNIp2/2PTleNqP9xVbwbqyOVfBVHcjEq+fNp2VYmbkgvnbrlUZMPCCbGsisEZZNL spHBJOtiLRpU3rF0FmXPRcRow5qhmNY1kl6vA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 22:00:30 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 11 11 11 From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e83564ab9b604b2e51229 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 20:00:32 +0000 (UTC) --90e6ba6e83564ab9b604b2e51229 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Ra=FCl, havent heard your playing before! GOOD stuff! Listening at the moment! Shame that I cant get numerology for PC... :-) -Petri Lahtinen- 2011/11/24 Ra=FCl Bonell > Finally, I found some spare time to edit my contribution to 11.11.11 > . > It is improvised touch guitar, livelooping plus algorithmic drums in > 11s, of course! > > You can listen to it directly from my tumblr page. > > http://raulbonell.tumblr.com > > Hope you enjoy it! > > > > -- > > .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-= .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. > Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your > imagination, > they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. > For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. > In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. > In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. > > Kim Flint > .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. > raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com > > --=20 Petri Lahtinen --90e6ba6e83564ab9b604b2e51229 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Ra=FCl, havent heard your playing before! GOOD stuff!
Listening a= t the moment! Shame that I cant get numerology for PC... :-)

-Petri = Lahtinen-

2011/11/24 Ra=FCl Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.= com>
Finally, I found some spare time to edit my= contribution to 11.11.11
.
It is improvised touch guitar, livelooping plus algorithmic drums in
11s, of course!

You can listen to it directly from my tumblr page.

http://raulbonel= l.tumblr.com

Hope you enjoy it!



--
.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-= .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your imaginat= ion,
they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group.
For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others.
In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant.

Kim Flint
.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
raulbonell.tumbl= r.com - collective.= com




--
Petri Lah= tinen


--90e6ba6e83564ab9b604b2e51229-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 20:09:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 173F1183464; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 20:09:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Cu8MlotZWVYgrmAcvuj5SH2Ic2gktlFMbORdRMTSurY=; b=N5bmfXyc3XGPxK4EvlbhVs+wmFe6GoksgxkiUNjs1bItCZwUFSty/7UzYu33RFan9B 7Zmigypw3n15Vz5J1jTcFqOzYLF6gacPBdQwTZEpAO8prxtuzTT7sOSK987OgAhWvGWY PglsYcMJ60U8JloIdtcaWNpeNBWZHHAS80RQU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 22:09:52 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Pseudo Bass lines From: Petri Lahtinen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f3b9c25bfb87304b2e53310 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 20:09:52 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f3b9c25bfb87304b2e53310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Per, that fractals-piece - whoa! Really nice stuff!!!! -Petri- 2011/11/29 Mike Fugazzi > Here is how I do it: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZEiGB5AzsU > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxh_m9E2s1c > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spkepjKQ2jY > > I have the octave pedal before the looper and turn it on and off to create > the bass line in real time. I don't have to speed up/slow down, I can add > it anywhere in the creation of the loop, and I can turn it on/off > whenever. I can add the effect to anything I play. > > The trick here is I can send everything through the Bass Driver DI and it > sounds good going into the PA. I can also take an unaffected line from the > DI to go straight to the amp. I've found that the settings I like live for > "bass" on the DI also make the beatboxing and harmonica sound better. I > mix that with a feed from my amp and then can eq/mix to taste. > > The limitations with this are that everything ends up being on the same > channel - bass, beatboxing, and harmonica. I don't have to use the DI, I > can mix them all separately, but in the end, they are all on the same > channel in the PA...so if the sound man wants more presence from the harp, > it is added to the bass and beatboxing too. > > I have it setup so I can mix from my pedal board and my hope is that with > two feeds - from the DI and the amp, that it can be mixed good enough. > > My philosophy is that the DI feed is where the bottom end and rhythm parts > really sound the best. The harmonica doesn't sound bad at all, but I want > a good bass/beatbox sound first and foremost. The bass and beatboxing > hitting the amp are low in the mix compared to the harmonica to the point > that the DI feed should overpower it. The amp gets me a grittier and more > fullfilling harmonica tone and I don't rely on the amp to support the > bass/beatboxing. > > Honestly, I could get by just fine without the amp. > > ---------- > Mike Fugazzi > vocals/harmonica > http://www.mikefugazzi.com > Facebook > YouTube > Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas > > > > > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> If using a looper that allows quantized substituting and speed >> shifting that can be used create a bassline in the looper, out of >> playing in the normal non-bass register. Here is such a live looping >> improvisation I did with a flute. You can clearly hear how the first >> loop is created (beat-boxing), how it is then speed shifted up an >> octave and into double-speed. The second loop is then created, on a >> parallel track, by two quick licks through a sixteenth note grid >> dynamic mute processing and finally speed shifted down an octave to >> become the bass line. >> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4963264/flute_fractals.mp3 >> >> I started developing these live looping techniques on the EDP, fiddled >> around with on on laptop with Augustus Loop hosted in Live until >> finally finding the best looping tool in Mobius on laptop. The Line6 >> DL4 is a nice stompbox looper that allows a bit of this. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> > -- Petri Lahtinen --e89a8f3b9c25bfb87304b2e53310 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Per, that fractals-piece - whoa! Really nice stuff!!!!

-Petri-
2011/11/29 Mike Fugazzi <= mikefugazzi@gmail.com>
Here is how I do it:

http://www.yout= ube.com/watch?v=3DSZEiGB5AzsU
= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dmxh_m9E2s1c
= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DspkepjKQ2jY

I have the octave p= edal before the looper and turn it on and off to create the bass line in re= al time. I don't have to speed up/slow down, I can add it anywhere in t= he creation of the loop, and I can turn it on/off whenever.=A0 I can add th= e effect to anything I play.

The trick here is I can send everything through the Bass Driver DI and = it sounds good going into the PA.=A0 I can also take an unaffected line fro= m the DI to go straight to the amp.=A0 I've found that the settings I l= ike live for "bass" on the DI also make the beatboxing and harmon= ica sound better.=A0 I mix that with a feed from my amp and then can eq/mix= to taste.

The limitations with this are that everything ends up being on the same= channel - bass, beatboxing, and harmonica.=A0 I don't have to use the = DI, I can mix them all separately, but in the end, they are all on the same= channel in the PA...so if the sound man wants more presence from the harp,= it is added to the bass and beatboxing too.

I have it setup so I can mix from my pedal board and my hope is that wi= th two feeds - from the DI and the amp, that it can be mixed good enough. = =A0=A0

My philosophy is that the DI feed is where the bottom end an= d rhythm parts really sound the best.=A0 The harmonica doesn't sound ba= d at all, but I want a good bass/beatbox sound first and foremost.=A0 The b= ass and beatboxing hitting the amp are low in the mix compared to the harmo= nica to the point that the DI feed should overpower it.=A0 The amp gets me = a grittier and more fullfilling harmonica tone and I don't rely on the = amp to support the bass/beatboxing.

Honestly, I could get by just fine without the amp.

----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugaz= zi.com
Face= book
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
If using a looper that allows quantized substituting and speed
shifting that can be used create a bassline in the looper, out of
playing in the normal non-bass register. Here is such a live looping
improvisation I did with a flute. You can clearly hear how the first
loop is created (beat-boxing), how it is then speed shifted up an
octave and into double-speed. The second loop is then created, on a
parallel track, by two quick licks through a sixteenth note grid
dynamic mute processing and finally speed shifted down an octave to
become the bass line.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4963264/flute_fractals.mp3

I started developing these live looping techniques on the EDP, fiddled
around with on on laptop with Augustus Loop hosted in Live until
finally finding the best looping tool in Mobius on laptop. The Line6
DL4 is a nice stompbox looper that allows a bit of this.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.y= outube.com/perboysen





--
Petri Lahti= nen


--e89a8f3b9c25bfb87304b2e53310-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 21:28:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1F5A183462; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 21:28:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XbGpBCrDZXlMLoazvQAAUOieUM140dAArJQn93XdSQY=; b=uy7g9A+MEEImVvIVLsH+ZXfanaSBFYTGRUjmRQVj1VRS7QhgBf2WfocBpnpMJ3NMnq LK93jJ25MVT9q4BdrKGk7sYQ4gm4QfdehCVElPdXk9l0XnaDO0FQvYZ7wSOUebhP4+fG sy+aUgK2KhLKFgoM/pKaqwDXuNA4dadsKRCy0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 22:28:13 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 11 11 11 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ra=FCl_Bonell?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <-523hB.A.XAF.u5U1OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 21:28:14 +0000 (UTC) Yes, it's a shame. Apple's are overpriced. I'm basing my solo stuff on N more and more. I prefer N to Ableton, any day. Even, you can do things with N that would take ages to learn in Max. Thanks! 2011/11/29, Petri Lahtinen : > Thanks Ra=FCl, havent heard your playing before! GOOD stuff! > Listening at the moment! Shame that I cant get numerology for PC... :-) > > -Petri Lahtinen- > > 2011/11/24 Ra=FCl Bonell > >> Finally, I found some spare time to edit my contribution to 11.11.11 >> . >> It is improvised touch guitar, livelooping plus algorithmic drums in >> 11s, of course! >> >> You can listen to it directly from my tumblr page. >> >> http://raulbonell.tumblr.com >> >> Hope you enjoy it! >> >> >> >> -- >> >> .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.= -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. >> Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your >> imagination, >> they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. >> For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated= . >> In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. >> In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. >> >> Kim Flint >> .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. >> raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com >> >> > > > -- > Petri Lahtinen > --=20 .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-= .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Your moral values are meaningless, artificial constructs. For your imaginat= ion, they provide you a falsely superior position in your social group. For the strong, they provide a means by which you are easily manipulated. In reality, they serve the entertainment needs of others. In the Kimatorium, they are irrelevant. Kim Flint .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. raulbonell.tumblr.com - collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 22:02:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D791D183465; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 22:02:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=4TlZNArmu1AeUXr8MeIVcVD+3Zb7K/yeRkYw+PAnqIU=; b=ArtUwHUzIjt1yeyxxpymu2bniMGdHH+leFUkCv4KYExefeTVXJNsswQfvIkV+dlckN 9PzB3r5OXXTGpVT9MKLG7c2LpevQPAP0jP4n2w30gbf8v92RXuCre+Gc+YzZOAqLwiho ORtK8x84JFLlPAETVsoffoHO8U5tjoDoA6Lmk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 23:02:02 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: GR-55 tip From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 22:02:02 +0000 (UTC) Set up a "kill switch" on the CTL pedal. Set the XPR pedal to control ping-pong delay feedback. Now stuff odd "kills" into a never-ending delay swarm. Sculpture swarm cluster by "milking" the XPR pedal. This a "pre looper" trick so you may do it over a beat you have assembled in your looper or you may start with a silent loop and build a rhythm by doing "substitute stuff" cutting pieces from the noisy swarm party into the loop. ----------------- I'm doing this now with a cheesy G-300 sound (sorry Kris) that also jumps up in a kind of "one octave hick-up" on the (momentary) CTR hits. Then the CTR also sends a #CC into the lappy where an Amplitube 3 wha-octavia-marshall goes full distortion during the short kills pedal hits. Sounds like big pneumatic construction machines going havoc. If using a quarter note swell pedal too in the Amplitube 3 this weird rough sound suddenly becomes "wanting-to-act-loving-and-tender-but-looking-just-too-damn-ugly-to-be-taken-seriously..." boy what fun! ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 22:09:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1540183473; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 22:09:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=sX58O6W4UdBPwOLuIV6ctnxGRBgFhkIMi0c0GThmCaY=; b=fJoyS8PhqFzoLBjIPMevhEhFxxkQKTH8AsxzCqk3zVNTOvU+QOGS0c/oYK7NUmFsgY E7Ts0ITY5JLERO5irefr/kKXK0LRoexv1MeC+auyAsSL1Z0staraoLahgvhnca6Ag/9f Sbq6Nuw0D6pM+uC2UymDY/mAbfHUbS9nX0Vzk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 23:09:47 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Numerology (Re: 11 11 11) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 22:09:48 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:28 PM, Ra=C3=BCl Bonell = wrote: > I'm basing my solo stuff on > N more and more. I prefer N to Ableton, any day. Even, you can do > things with N that would take ages to learn in Max. This is exactly why also I love Numerology! It feels like a tool created for composing and performing musicians while Max feels like it is targeting programming music theorists. I like simple riffs where accents, notes and pitches circle around in three loops of different length. Well, that is also cool for "not simple riffs" i.e. quite long never repeating melody lines. The bring a looping feel anyway thanks to the "discrete sequence" structure. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 22:20:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C30D183462; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 22:20:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4ED55AB9.8070900@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:20:41 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Simeon Harris CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Roland GR55 - First Impressions review References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060300050809000200020407" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 22:20:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060300050809000200020407 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Simeon Harris wrote: > just type synth module into ebay...more units than you can shake a > stick at... here's one of the cheapest...no idea if it's any good or > not... Thanks, never thought to do that, doh! Anyone know that Kawai K1 module? rick walker --------------060300050809000200020407 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Simeon Harris wrote: 
just type synth module into ebay...more units than you can shake a
stick at... here's one of the cheapest...no idea if it's any good or
not...
Thanks,  never thought to do that,   doh!

Anyone  know that Kawai K1 module?

rick walker
 --------------060300050809000200020407-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 22:22:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7787E183466; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 22:22:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4ED55B2B.6010605@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:22:35 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sylvester malik CC: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Circular Breathing: Live Looping References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 22:22:43 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, sylvester malik wrote: > I wonder if there are any other folk that do this sort of thing on guitar/bass/etc... Without actually using any loopers, but relying soley on technique? Stand Card has performed only using feedback at the festival for the last couple years, though that may not be what you meant. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 22:29:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DEEF5183486; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 22:29:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4ED55CD8.1030000@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:29:44 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeff Duke CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Circular Breathing: Live Looping References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020007000301050201050707" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 22:29:51 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020007000301050201050707 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: > I have always loved this guy :) > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I3Wk1DGxbw&feature=related > Wow, thanks for the tip, Jeff. Paolo Angeli is fascinating. I'd never heard of him. This gets really amazing when he begins bowing at 2:32. Rick Walker --------------020007000301050201050707 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Jeff Duke wrote:
I have always loved this guy :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I3Wk1DGxbw&feature=related
Wow,  thanks for the tip,  Jeff.   Paolo Angeli is fascinating.  I'd never heard of him.

This gets really amazing when he begins bowing at 2:32.

Rick Walker
--------------020007000301050201050707-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 22:43:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A97B0183486; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 22:43:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4ED56016.2030909@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:43:34 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Per Boysen CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Pseudo Bass lines References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 22:43:41 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > If you're not hip > to that, another strategy to expand your performance palette over the > bass as well as mid and high note range is to play an instrument that > offers such an extended note range. I love my Kala U Bass! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUT_zIZJZdA&feature=related and also I have an Ashbory Bass for sale http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5v0P9yXnRs&feature=related both of these miniatures sound great and are easy to play. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 23:01:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C919B183479; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 23:01:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4ED56448.3060009@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:01:28 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Per Boysen CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Circular Breathing: Live Looping References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060501010703030503070703" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 23:01:35 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060501010703030503070703 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > FYI: > Rick Walker and Michael Peters, of this list, have bought The Harmonic > Capo which may give you a similar overtone effect for an ordinary > guitar: The first video on this page is me recording for the first time with my Harmonic Capo on a Fretless Stratocaster (with UV active daylgo pink strings, I might add...lol). http://www.youtube.com/looppool I also was using the 1st prototype of the Looperlative LP-2 Mini Looper in this recording. I love playing things for the first time, sometimes. How the capo works is that you place it on the 12 fret (or on any barre chord harmonics point) and place the rubber stoppers so that they just barely touch the strings so that the default sound of the instrument (unfretted) are the barre octave harmonics. What is so hip about this set up is that if you fret the strings before the capo, it depresses them so that the rubber stoppers are no longer touching the strings. This allows one to solo with a normal guitar sound but the instrument always defaults to the 12th fret harmonics. Because of this, it sounds wonderful with typical open tunings, but I find it even more versatile to tune the guitar to a 6 string scale (of one's choosing) so you always have finger picking access to harmonic melodies. that's what I did on this track. Another technical note are two effects that I had added to the LP-2......quadruple and quarter speed and one I call 'random retrigger' which takes the loop to random points whenever one retriggers the unit. Playing in a fixed scale as I am, I am always getting some scalar pitch information even though I may have more experimental sounding timbres coming from the guitar. I'm not really much of a guitarist but it make the instrument lie somewhere between a guitar and a zither/harp paradigm. I love it but love my current tuning so much that I'm afraid to change it......more experiments to come. --------------060501010703030503070703 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Per Boysen wrote: 
FYI:
Rick Walker and Michael Peters, of this list, have bought The Harmonic
Capo which may give you a similar overtone effect for an ordinary
guitar:
The first video on this page is me recording for the first time with my Harmonic Capo
on a Fretless Stratocaster (with UV active daylgo pink strings, I might add...lol).

http://www.youtube.com/looppool

I also was using the 1st prototype of the Looperlative LP-2 Mini Looper in this recording.

I love playing things for the first time, sometimes.

How the capo works is that you place it on the 12 fret (or on any barre chord harmonics point)
and place the rubber stoppers so that they just barely touch the strings so that the default
sound of the instrument (unfretted) are the barre octave harmonics.

What is so hip about this set up is that if you fret the strings before the capo,  it depresses them
so that the rubber stoppers are no longer touching the strings.

This allows one to solo with a normal guitar sound but the instrument always defaults to the
12th fret harmonics.

Because of this,  it sounds wonderful with typical open tunings, but I find it even more versatile
to tune the guitar to a 6 string scale (of one's choosing) so you always have finger picking
access to harmonic melodies.

that's what I did on this track.
Another technical note are two effects that I had added to the LP-2......quadruple and quarter speed
and one I call 'random retrigger'   which takes the loop to random points whenever one retriggers
the unit.     Playing in a fixed scale as I am,  I am always getting some scalar pitch information
even though I may have more experimental sounding timbres coming from the guitar.

I'm not really much of a guitarist but it make the instrument lie somewhere between a guitar
and a zither/harp paradigm.

I love it but love my current tuning so much that I'm afraid to change it......more experiments to come.


 --------------060501010703030503070703-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 23:09:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53C2E18348E; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 23:09:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=Dg+ORDKbZm7L5XDAKdJcNIhlAgJqEvo9hljF2SlT1dA= c=1 sm=2 a=6A85qhXv7vUA:10 a=agWTFdhlyG4A:10 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=0d7fa0LCQsE3VESIDLIA:9 a=vzeY5DrDa1eCOuqMQScA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=ktQmqdRC7mEot-Bv:21 a=p21cHHwOsuwnvkci:21 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=iFDQRzCS9HNyE1mwScsA:7 X-Telus-Outbound-IP: 64.180.202.85 From: richard sales Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-19-703573792 Subject: Re: Roland GR55 - First Impressions review Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:09:17 -0800 In-Reply-To: <4ED55AB9.8070900@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <4ED55AB9.8070900@cruzio.com> Message-Id: <65B53ACE-DBD1-4F7F-B934-FEBB5348BBAF@glasswing.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 23:09:31 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-19-703573792 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I do and I have one. They're 80's sounds. I like it for some things = but I wouldn't necessarily buy it now. Great chimey FM kinds of stuff, = good breathy stuff.=20 I started to write a reply to this and here's where I left off... The Kawaii K1 isn't bad at all. I have kept mine. No good drums etc. = Nice bell tones, breathy stuff, late 80s kind of tones. =20 In general I would say VI is the way to go for good drums sounds, but I = haven't explored all the possibilities. =20 The Steven Slate Drums are used on plenty hit records, for what that's = worth. I have 'em and they are very very good for clean, fat, real = drum sounds. =20 I also still have the Proteus 3/World module that has some kind of cool = 'world' drums and sounds. Used to use it a lot. Has anyone used Maschine for any of this? I'm thinking of getting one = for inputting MIDI data. I suspect it might come with a fair stash of = drum sounds, but don't know yet and am going to investigate. The Steven = Slate drums will work with this.=20 (One reason I didn't send this is I wasn't sure you had asked about = drums but in my foggy memory there was some reason I wrote this...) In Pro Tools I use Strike (for drums) quite a bit. Kind of tedious to = customize patterns, but good sounds and usable loops to modify. I want = Maschine to input drum patterns. Tired of doing it with keyboards. The, I think it's called B33 that comes with Pro Tools, or used to, or = maybe I bought it, has wonderful B3 sounds. Structure, that uses sounds = from East West, has some good Farfisa type samples. At least I think = it's Structure. In general, VI is ultimately the cheapest and lightest = path to all of this. I would assume Logic has a lot of this stuff built = in, but, again, I am clueless about Logic.=20 I often dream of a great, tasty drummer with V Drums that can be hired = (or charmed) to track MIDI data.=20 ----- end of morning reply ----- I write many replies to loopers that never make it to the group because = I either assume I'm being an arrogant jerk or that someone else will = reply more cogently. I wouldn't buy it unless you want those cool 80s sounds. I keep mine = because I'm used to it and might need it to recreate old work and $50 = ain't worth the effort. I would figure out some kind of VI deal. Like = that box that plays samples who's name I can't remember. Not cheap but = looks cool. Only VST, though, I think. I've read about many ways to = convert sounds from format to format. Never bothered, myself.=20 I've seen Super Jupiters fairly cheap. And the Roland MKS70 (super JX), = which I have, which is fairly fat. With the programmer it's easier to = use, I've heard.=20 Hope this helps, R richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com On Nov 29, 2011, at 2:20 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Simeon Harris wrote: >>=20 >> just type synth module into ebay...more units than you can shake a >> stick at... here's one of the cheapest...no idea if it's any good or >> not... > Thanks, never thought to do that, doh! >=20 > Anyone know that Kawai K1 module? >=20 > rick walker --Apple-Mail-19-703573792 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I do = and I have one.  They're 80's sounds.  I like it for some = things but I wouldn't necessarily buy it now.  Great chimey FM = kinds of stuff, good breathy stuff. 

I started = to write a reply to this and here's where I left = off...

The Kawaii K1 isn't bad at all.  I = have kept mine.  No good drums etc.  Nice bell tones, breathy = stuff, late 80s kind of tones.  
In general I would say VI is = the way to go for good drums sounds, but I haven't explored all the = possibilities.  

The Steven Slate Drums = are used on plenty hit records, for what that's worth.   I have 'em = and they are very very good for clean, fat, real drum sounds. =  
I also still have the Proteus 3/World module that has = some kind of cool 'world' drums and sounds.  Used to use it a = lot.

Has anyone used Maschine for any of this? =  I'm thinking of getting one for inputting MIDI data.  I = suspect it might come with a fair stash of drum sounds, but don't know = yet and am going to investigate.  The Steven Slate drums will work = with this. 

(One reason I didn't send this = is I wasn't sure you had asked about drums but in my foggy memory there = was some reason I wrote this...)

In Pro Tools I = use Strike (for drums) quite a bit.  Kind of tedious to customize = patterns, but good sounds and usable loops to modify.  I want = Maschine to input drum patterns.  Tired of doing it with = keyboards.

The, I think it's called B33 that = comes with Pro Tools, or used to, or maybe I bought it, has wonderful B3 = sounds.  Structure, that uses sounds from East West, has some good = Farfisa type samples.  At least I think it's Structure.  In = general, VI is ultimately the cheapest and lightest path to all of this. =  I would assume Logic has a lot of this stuff built in, but, again, = I am clueless about Logic. 

I often dream = of a great, tasty drummer with V Drums that can be hired (or charmed) to = track MIDI data. 

----- end of morning = reply -----

I write many replies to = loopers that never make it to the group because I either assume I'm = being an arrogant jerk or that someone else will reply more = cogently.

I wouldn't buy it unless you want = those cool 80s sounds.  I keep mine because I'm used to it and = might need it to recreate old work and $50 ain't worth the effort. I = would figure out some kind of VI deal.  Like that box that plays = samples who's name I can't remember.  Not cheap but looks cool. =  Only VST, though, I think.  I've read about many ways to = convert sounds from format to format.  Never bothered, = myself. 

I've seen Super Jupiters fairly = cheap.  And the Roland MKS70 (super JX), which I have, which is = fairly fat.   With the programmer it's easier to use, I've = heard. 

Hope this = helps,

R


On Nov 29, 2011, at 2:20 PM, Rick Walker wrote:

=20 =20
On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Simeon Harris wrote: 
just type synth module into ebay...more units than =
you can shake a
stick at... here's one of the cheapest...no idea if it's any good or
not...
Thanks,  never thought to do = that,   doh!

Anyone  know that Kawai K1 module?

rick walker

= --Apple-Mail-19-703573792-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 23:15:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F13EA18348E; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 23:15:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=Suxgm3ZL4E759uLsGvTJnJ5oxyY6pD7s8QR20Pr7LAQ=; b=OZNZ3H3WgNGyVj805bO+CnAO6+NkaTUtiLN4n9wLFT8OqmSmvFJef2W5yO3tIXRA42 YqyQTv1bdunKw1J9Cj3T9E9NEJr7kfnoca+gNPv9NWFN5os1Rd587xn2B6g69hUccOox EpZWjvO2JQ7OgxhbBz3fzoBolJULQv6pP58cA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 00:15:17 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: RIPYoeB0yywOjWBfF4fMcE7apr0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: GR-55 tip To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf303f6d4c1ae49604b2e7ccce Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 23:15:39 +0000 (UTC) --20cf303f6d4c1ae49604b2e7ccce Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ive been doing something like this .putting slow slicer before a delay... if the slicers speed is slower than (or is it just out of synch with) the delay, it goes around filling up spaces... Is that the purpose of the "kill switch" to hard-mute the input? How are you making it.. by the way? On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:02 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Set up a "kill switch" on the CTL pedal. -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf303f6d4c1ae49604b2e7ccce Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ive been doing something like this .putting slow slicer before a delay... i= f the slicers speed is slower than (or is it just out of synch with) the d= elay, it goes around filling up spaces...=A0

Is that the purpose of= the "kill switch" to hard-mute the input? How are you making it.= . by the way?



On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:02 PM, Pe= r Boysen <perbo= ysen@gmail.com> wrote:
Set up a "kill switch" on the CTL pedal.


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--20cf303f6d4c1ae49604b2e7ccce-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 29 23:21:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA71E183496; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 23:21:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=PEf4+JCfpIK3X0a1aMb1RzgqfhWb84dTSLgpV9bLg28= c=1 sm=2 a=agWTFdhlyG4A:10 a=Xx7_f3jVAAAA:8 a=kZCaSYHnAAAA:8 a=AmuB-pcYAAAA:8 a=x9LQtntrAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=AUKhL_2fjJEhJY_VAxsA:9 a=oH3PpctVihdsv3ZbxOIA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=06tRPWDCZ5MA:10 a=9dKDUTTeGJsA:10 a=4g1Un4FPLDYA:10 a=k9XOtJXmrMMA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=svaasfGmVUuvkh9KLmAA:9 a=nz5WtTfljdEmLhpBjp8A:7 X-Telus-Outbound-IP: 64.180.202.85 From: richard sales Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-20-704323031 Subject: Kawaii K1R Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:21:46 -0800 In-Reply-To: <4ED56448.3060009@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <4ED56448.3060009@cruzio.com> Message-Id: <05A8218A-BFC6-47D7-A292-8C4715F7FB53@glasswing.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: <7MDR2D.A.NdH.SkW1OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 23:21:55 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-20-704323031 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Rick (continuing the Kawaii K1R conversation) http://www.museresearch.com/products/receptor.php Sorry I couldn't remember this. I'm uploading a gig of music via = YouSendIt so my connection is very pokey right now. But this looks like = what I would do. Expensive I guess but looks rugged and quite capable. = Either this or take a laptop with Kontakt player or something in it. = Otherwise you're buying old cranky equipment that will soon need = financial love. =20 For ex, I'm about to spend what I estimate will be around a grand on = repairing etc my old Jupiter 8 and GR300. Ouch! But I love them so = much! R richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com On Nov 29, 2011, at 3:01 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >>=20 >> FYI: >> Rick Walker and Michael Peters, of this list, have bought The = Harmonic >> Capo which may give you a similar overtone effect for an ordinary >> guitar: > The first video on this page is me recording for the first time with = my Harmonic Capo=20 > on a Fretless Stratocaster (with UV active daylgo pink strings, I = might add...lol). >=20 > http://www.youtube.com/looppool >=20 > I also was using the 1st prototype of the Looperlative LP-2 Mini = Looper in this recording. >=20 > I love playing things for the first time, sometimes. >=20 > How the capo works is that you place it on the 12 fret (or on any = barre chord harmonics point)=20 > and place the rubber stoppers so that they just barely touch the = strings so that the default=20 > sound of the instrument (unfretted) are the barre octave harmonics. >=20 > What is so hip about this set up is that if you fret the strings = before the capo, it depresses them=20 > so that the rubber stoppers are no longer touching the strings. >=20 > This allows one to solo with a normal guitar sound but the instrument = always defaults to the=20 > 12th fret harmonics. >=20 > Because of this, it sounds wonderful with typical open tunings, but I = find it even more versatile=20 > to tune the guitar to a 6 string scale (of one's choosing) so you = always have finger picking=20 > access to harmonic melodies. >=20 > that's what I did on this track. > Another technical note are two effects that I had added to the = LP-2......quadruple and quarter speed=20 > and one I call 'random retrigger' which takes the loop to random = points whenever one retriggers=20 > the unit. Playing in a fixed scale as I am, I am always getting = some scalar pitch information=20 > even though I may have more experimental sounding timbres coming from = the guitar. >=20 > I'm not really much of a guitarist but it make the instrument lie = somewhere between a guitar=20 > and a zither/harp paradigm. >=20 > I love it but love my current tuning so much that I'm afraid to change = it......more experiments to come. >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-20-704323031 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Rick = (continuing the Kawaii K1R conversation)


Sorry I = couldn't remember this.  I'm uploading a gig of music via YouSendIt = so my connection is very pokey right now.  But this looks like what = I would do.  Expensive I guess but looks rugged and quite capable. =  Either this or take a laptop with Kontakt player or something in = it.  Otherwise you're buying old cranky equipment that will soon = need financial love.  

For ex, I'm about = to spend what I estimate will be around a grand on repairing etc my old = Jupiter 8 and GR300.  Ouch!  But I love them so = much!

R


On Nov 29, 2011, at 3:01 PM, Rick Walker wrote:

=20 =20
On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Per Boysen wrote: 
FYI:
Rick Walker and Michael Peters, of this list, have bought The Harmonic
Capo which may give you a similar overtone effect for an ordinary
guitar:
The first video on this page is me recording for = the first time with my Harmonic Capo
on a Fretless Stratocaster (with UV active daylgo pink strings, I might add...lol).

http://www.youtube.com/looppool

I also was using the 1st prototype of the Looperlative LP-2 Mini Looper in this recording.

I love playing things for the first time, sometimes.

How the capo works is that you place it on the 12 fret (or on any barre chord harmonics point)
and place the rubber stoppers so that they just barely touch the strings so that the default
sound of the instrument (unfretted) are the barre octave harmonics.

What is so hip about this set up is that if you fret the strings before the capo,  it depresses them
so that the rubber stoppers are no longer touching the = strings.

This allows one to solo with a normal guitar sound but the instrument always defaults to the
12th fret harmonics.

Because of this,  it sounds wonderful with typical open = tunings, but I find it even more versatile
to tune the guitar to a 6 string scale (of one's choosing) so you always have finger picking
access to harmonic melodies.

that's what I did on this track.
Another technical note are two effects that I had added to the LP-2......quadruple and quarter speed
and one I call 'random retrigger'   which takes the loop = to random points whenever one retriggers
the unit.     Playing in a fixed scale as I = am,  I am always getting some scalar pitch information
even though I may have more experimental sounding timbres coming from the guitar.

I'm not really much of a guitarist but it make the instrument lie somewhere between a guitar
and a zither/harp paradigm.

I love it but love my current tuning so much that I'm afraid to change it......more experiments to come.

= --Apple-Mail-20-704323031-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 00:23:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3152183498; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 00:22:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=/x7n8baBQA4+OWKYLFoEe1CCeovisMMRBAUrsE70iwE=; b=FIerQygYaB/y4DSG79HrEjhnS9o3ftT9Rt5K23A4YK8espTPlkwEY84OEv3I6oEZvG OcmBdhu35O1xh+zQxZ4rmQEfCMOINtCFKzfMpqD4gKYyFNkhSDtF5mUFQ4JoIRcAfFU9 oRa29la5oZUUWwvQIqcSj86DP0w/8masvFH9U= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 01:22:58 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: GR-55 tip From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <5sgR4D.A.bY.jdX1OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 00:22:59 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:15 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Ive been doing something like this .putting slow slicer before a delay... if > the slicers speed is slower than (or is it just out of synch with) the > delay, it goes around filling up spaces... Yes, a nice one :-) > Is that the purpose of the "kill switch" to hard-mute the input? > How are you > making it.. by the way? Controlling volume somewhere I guess, a little different in each patch I've mad. Don't remember the details. Will check... well here it is: for starters, in the "edit / master / pedal-gk-ctl" I set the "ctl function" to momentary mode. Then under "edit / master / assign" I set up tabs for the CTR button. Like with the GR300 sound I set the CTR to momentary target "model synth/analog pitch sw" att full range ("lo = 0" and "high = 127", I think this results in one or two octave's jump for this sound). Other viable targets here are "tone switch" for kill-switch-swapping sound during playing notes. Hmm... well, that's it for the GR55. I guess most of the "machine-gun kill-switch" effect comes from that other fuzz sound slapped on the magnetic PU output line and targeted also from the GR55 CTL button but through sending out MIDI (going into Ableton Live and the Amplitube 3 plugin). But the details are not important. The point is the control signal path: kicking the CTL button as momentary to alter something. In my case here I typically target many parameters, both within the GR55 and outside it. This was one point with my post - to say, with an example, that it is also cool to double up and use the GR55 to control other stuff over MIDI. Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 02:59:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9EC6183496; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 02:59:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Jq/ksawJwKk8/OfKIqb4iF0euRRXizPgQSBZo4meNzo=; b=AL2HxE7SZ6gC3VX9qJm+Lw9T9wSgkKw6RRB1QdJW3ZIorVia7POlaaERpGSxBRoZOG Te5lU2qrE4dKmC+rS1M2WDSl2QyVlXJ8+wsjX30AAuezKSPJjl8v32lsO4xZQ2F/a/gC XFrOQkyOnJQNRbnfv2Fb8Va4Mgiy2Pp8blGk4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4ED3E62D.4000403@cruzio.com> References: <4ED3E62D.4000403@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 21:59:55 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Circular Breathing: Live Looping From: Brian Good To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec531474b3b2e1a04b2eaeeaf Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 02:59:56 +0000 (UTC) --bcaec531474b3b2e1a04b2eaeeaf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > Oh my god, talking about acoustic looping: > > Check this wonderful performance out: > > Colin Stetson circular breathing through a baritone sax > Great stuff, but he's playing a bass saxophone. (This has been your daily dose of pointless pedantry.) --bcaec531474b3b2e1a04b2eaeeaf Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Rick Wa= lker <looppool@= cruzio.com> wrote:
Oh my god, =A0 talking about acoustic looping:

Check this wonderful performance out:

Colin Stetson circular breathing through a baritone sax

Great stuff, but he's playing a bass saxophone. (This has been yo= ur daily dose of pointless pedantry.)


--bcaec531474b3b2e1a04b2eaeeaf-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 07:57:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 940D1183462; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 07:57:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=DFGcKTPGO1Gw06nYlO23T1/CtFIRdcbFvHl0PoeNKBs=; b=ub1i5+IilDGi/fYYmVBadXvr0aiTLu7vGY4YHEa9VlQjLeuoivPEQLzJ0eAMqkhtzM /4QPS1CmRpEZUI11Wel9UEijnhIp8PQ+R77fhknDQG1urgpsU5dUZiKBK1Jf6b4CMV7a sWblv52laIgOc68BrfoOnWug4o8NaR5T+JFjs= References: From: mark francombe In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8L1) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 08:57:06 +0100 Message-ID: <8331074376379682107@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: GR-55 tip To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 07:57:12 +0000 (UTC) thats very cool per, i have to admit that i havent delved into the assign tabs yet, although i see them as bring very powerful. One thing i forgot to mention that i love about the 55 is that within one patch you can make alot of variations. you have 2 ctr switches, In that the pedal has one, and the pedal can be assigned 2 ways, so within one track you can easily stay within one patch, fading and switching different variations. Sent from my (advertisement removed) On 30 Nov 2011, at 01:23, Per Boysen wrote: > On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:15 AM, mark francombe wrote: >> Ive been doing something like this .putting slow slicer before a delay... if >> the slicers speed is slower than (or is it just out of synch with) the >> delay, it goes around filling up spaces... > > Yes, a nice one :-) > >> Is that the purpose of the "kill switch" to hard-mute the input? > > > >> How are you >> making it.. by the way? > > Controlling volume somewhere I guess, a little different in each patch > I've mad. Don't remember the details. Will check... well here it is: > for starters, in the "edit / master / pedal-gk-ctl" I set the "ctl > function" to momentary mode. Then under "edit / master / assign" I set > up tabs for the CTR button. Like with the GR300 sound I set the CTR to > momentary target "model synth/analog pitch sw" att full range ("lo = > 0" and "high = 127", I think this results in one or two octave's jump > for this sound). Other viable targets here are "tone switch" for > kill-switch-swapping sound during playing notes. Hmm... well, that's > it for the GR55. I guess most of the "machine-gun kill-switch" effect > comes from that other fuzz sound slapped on the magnetic PU output > line and targeted also from the GR55 CTL button but through sending > out MIDI (going into Ableton Live and the Amplitube 3 plugin). > > But the details are not important. The point is the control signal > path: kicking the CTL button as momentary to alter something. In my > case here I typically target many parameters, both within the GR55 and > outside it. This was one point with my post - to say, with an example, > that it is also cool to double up and use the GR55 to control other > stuff over MIDI. > > Per > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 08:07:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F5B2183462; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 08:07:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xfCyGtTilTtHKZ2uUP1lCiHIXRcqTngq10dEXk/8tFw=; b=rXPJzfNIpASBTaqkZ3QdFgpV2HqMZvKIY5v59MvLVsaRR5RG7f2PKPFhVYrXy6x9y2 GwgobOaWSBG9g5bhnbhY/qzvGjAVbnLjywGXn0VTS/TlweRqGt4N7xen/PVhcTTNAgU7 vi5oNlidG8w39L4s0abgE/cgb3R6zGFxMou2Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 09:07:36 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Roland GR55 - First Impressions review From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 08:07:38 +0000 (UTC) oh Mark,after this review i think i regret that i sold my GR 33;-) but i love your review,and i believe it,i think people arent critical enough in reviews sometimes and try to be forgiving i despise synths trying to imitate acoustic guitars,they should terminate that once in for all!!! why not try to develop a sampler instead of a synth for guitar now,that would open up amazing pssibilities! i became interested mainly in the detuning feature to create open tunings,how is that? is ther at least one descent single clean amp? so i wonder how it compares to the GR-33 is the tracking better than any other unit as they claim? cheers Luis On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 11:06 PM, mark francombe w= rote: > Hi All. > > Recent sales of neglected gear have resulted in two purchases. The Korg > Electribe ESX (As suggested by Philip I believe) and the much lauded Rola= nd > GR55 Guitar synth. > Lets take that one now, and the drum-machine later. > I have had the GR55 for about a month now, and due to work and family > commitments, I cant really say that I've delved very deep with it, but he= re > goes. > > PCM TONES: > Per has covered most of the layout of the unit, so I apologize if some of > this is repetition, but basically you have 4 main sound sources per patch= . > 1, the original guitar sound 2. a modeled guitar sound, 3 & 4, Two synth > tones. These 2 are PCM samples and vary alot in quality. Some of the soun= ds > seem to be there to tick the "modern synth sound" box. The VCO sync screa= ms > and X-mod sounds, some, but not enough, floaty pads, very few grainy > sounds...and one or two pling plong sinewave things... all nice.... These > immediately got saved into the user area for later tweaking. > Theres the "samples", pianos, flutes., strings etc... Hmmm... OK the cell= o > is nice, and thankfully ONE strings patch is usable... not ONE good piano= .. > NONE!! and wait for it.. gazzilions of organs.. > AND THEN... theres the same old set of totally unusable shit that they > always stuff into these things.. you know the Do-Whop Skat singing the > general midi banjos, the fucking pan-pipes and wait for it wait for it.. > those bastard Phili stabs... who uses them? you tell me? > > PCM TONES PLAYABILITY > OK, Main problem with the "New sounds" like the Acid Basses and Syncs are > that... YOU CANT PLAY THOSE SOUNDS FROM A GUITAR... They only sound good = if > they are sequenced, tightly and fast.. not by some sloppy old hacks stubb= y > fingers.. which brings me to my main disappointment of the unit, one that= I > knew about from before my purchase: > No Arpegiator. > Many of you have heard me sing the praises of the GR30s Arp, and my love = of > Arps in general. The only way (IMHO) one can really handle the idea of Li= ve > Looping via midi instruments, at least with hardware. > So...Why a company REMOVES functionality from units instead of improving = it, > is a total mystery to me. With the addition of that one single (admittedl= y > fiddly and complex) function, suddenly many many more sounds become usabl= e, > as you can now sound like that sound should be. Its NOT enough just to HA= VE > that sound, but played on guitar... many sounds, sound like they do BECAU= SE > of the WAY it is played, not the timbre itself. I for example seriously U= SE > the xylophone sounds on the GR 30, because they can sound tight and > metronomic, from an arppegiator, but played from the guitar, they miss-fi= re > and double twang and are a bit delayed from the note. > > So, although everyone has slagged off the GR30, in terms of sounds (yes I > had to tweak all them too) The GR30 wins for me.. I dont have as realisti= c > cello, thats true, and that ONE strings patch on the 55 IS TRULY LOVELY, > but.. there not enough usable synth tones, not by a long shot. > > MODELLED TONES: > Which brings me to the Modeled sounds.. Oh dear Oh dear... Is THIS what a= ll > you VG peeps have been raving about... I hope not. > Honestly, I think I have to check my settings and pickup placement here, = so > I wont be too harsh just yet, but on my Baritone (Yes Im using a baritone= .. > I expect THAT is the issue here) Im hearing all sorts of double notes, > almost like ring modulation, weird clanging, if I play too light, quite > interesting in certain situations, but... making my guitar sound like a > telecaster... Hmmm I think not... One setting works for me H&H ST (I beli= eve > is a Strat with Humbuckers.. really? OK then) > > EFFECTS: > OK... positive Mark... keep it Positive!!! > The effects are GREAT.. lots of nice stuff, wont go into detail here, but= as > an effect unit it works very well for me, LOTS OF LOVELY OPTIONS: > Works like this: > There are 6 layers of effects. Mod, MFX, Delay, Reverb, Chorus, EQ.. And = all > can sound at once, with a quite nifty and usable way of routing your 4 > sources through each. Basically within the Mod and MFX sections are also > many alternative effects, for example Mod has Wah within its section, MFX > has a slicer effect. There doesnt seem to be any particular grouping for > what effects are in each of these section, maybe MFX are more for the syn= th > tones and Mod for guitar tones.. maybe.. > > AMP MODELS: > But then theres one bit I have missed... Ahem... The Amp models...? Tell = me, > please.. does anyone use these? ON the VG systems.. do they work for you > guys? Cos for me they are JUST HORRIBLE. Just awful over blown harsh tone= s. > I have to say that the years that I actually owned a guitar amp, are long > gone.. so... so gone, so i dont know if I would like these sounds more if > they were through an amp.. For Instance.. I once owned a Vox AC 30. The 3 > versions of this in the GR55, dont sound anything like it... but wait.. t= he > Vox only played nicely when loud.. so I wait till the wife was out then..= . > > "Its been a HArd Days night... Thunderbolts and Lightning very very > frightning Nah nah na na nah... I feel stupid and contagious Here we are > now, entertain us..." I try a medley of all those BIG BIG AC30 songs... O= UCH > my ears.. my poor bleeding ears!!! > > It was just too harsh and nasty for me.. ME!! None of the tones from any = of > the amps are usable. > ( I am of course not counting the HUGE SHREDDING amp sounds that are here= .. > no doubt they are OK.. if not RADICAL, or TIGHT.. or FUCKED-UP.. or whate= ver > the kids are saying these days) > OK OK, some of the soft Jazz amps are very nice.. but the lack of good > sounding amps, brings a bit of a problem for me.. How do you make your > distortion? In the Mod section, there is one effect called OD/DS=A0 with = many > models of distortion boxes... most are good.. Ill stick with the Boss > Distortion.. OK.. fine.. usable.. same as my Heavy Metal HM2 pedal.. or t= he > Rat.. Problem though is that if you use THAT for distortion, you cant get= at > the Wah, or any other sound hidden in the Mod section. Without using an a= mp > model there is no way to make a good clean, (ha ha) NON TONED OUT > distortion.. > > Thats the sounds... But now onto the good stuff... > > INTERFACE: > The interface... total joy. Wonderful big window, simple to find your way > around, many many many options. And you need that with all the possibilit= ys, > you are going to pick this pedal off the floor for MOST of the time at ho= me > (or sit cross-legged.. not me any more Im afraid. So going thru horrible > menus and shift buttons is not good. Here everything is laid out logicall= y > and even any illogicallity is shown simply and easily so you can find it = and > fix it with the minimum of hassle. > > PICKUP/SWITCHES: > There is something a bit wrong with the implementation of the pick-up > switches. They havent really decided what the volume control or guitar/sy= nth > switch are supposed to do, so it changes on every patch. Meaning that the= re > are some patches that have no volume controI not from the foot-pedal OR t= he > GK Vol. To me its simple, the footpedal should control effects, like wah = or > pitch shift or where Volume is an effect, and the GK pickup should handle > the volume of the modelled guitar tone, OR volume of whole pedal. But.. > no... even I cant quite figure out what to do there. On the GR30 it was > simple, synth or guitar, and mix... now with 4 (ok 3 if you lump the synt= h > tones) they are really missing a volume control, so... Um.. whay not an > extra pedal jack in the back?,, Um there isnt one.. OK.. > > MISSING IN ACTION: > Oh and one more niggling thing missing from the 30 to 55. Silly but > important (maybe it IS there in setting , havent found it) That when zoom= ing > through patches, the GK switch had a clever way of speeding up the cyclin= g. > You could press and hold, patches start counting up, then press the OTHER > button as well and it would speed up the counting (jumping 5 or 10 at a > time) till you were in the neigbourhood of the patch, then you release th= e > extra button and it goes back to counting normally. VERY handy, if, like = me, > you never reorganise your patches, just learn the numbers. Now with GR55 = you > cant do that, no, you literally have to press that ittle button 120 times= if > you want to scroll up 120 patches... So You better start reorganizing, ri= ght > from the get go. > > I am a VERY critical gear head. I have used technology in my music from t= he > very start of my career, and if there one ting I hate its TOO MUCH being > stuffed in that is not good enough quality. I do wonder if the programmer > guys actually know how to play guitar, or whether they just get emailed a > bunch of amp convolutions with a note "Implement these". > In my view there is nothing to be ashamed of for a manufacturer producing= a > simple but wonderful box, with little functionality but brilliant design = and > no fluff, The Roland GR55 is not that... Its stuffed full with the good, = the > bad and the ugly. > > Would I suggest anyone else buy one? HELL YES.. its a gonna be loads a fu= n! > Especially if you like Buckethead or Vie.. (im pretending I even know who > these people are now...) > > But keep yer Amp (if you like those things) and.. well... actually.. keep > your guitar synth, you know.. the old one... its still usable! > I now have to pluck up the courage to call my guitar tech and see how he > feels about installing another hex pickup inside. I now have a GK2 inside > and a GK 3 stuck on... need that one put inside... > > But Im a little afraid... > > He may kill himself... > > OH wait.. I nearly forgot...! There's a built in looper... but.. er.. > blushes... I havent tried it yet! > > Mark > > > > -- > Mark Francombe > www.markfrancombe.com > www.ordoabkhao.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://www.looop.no > twitter @markfrancombe > http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ > > --=20 www.luis-angulo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 08:13:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07867183464; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 08:12:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nEu7o0XxSvX1W3JpQlULbpoMkpWE/0+tRN6du73PZNo=; b=LUbbBOlDuYn4m3gxtj5XMN1zvnUiMPxaRJRPK1KMSUBkCQ3UvVvWWlfh6h4Oszj3XO 9Sk8BhLkAWRkkClfq3S8Y1PAZNmlQMwOgb9F+/OHaDlj9F6v1o8VPPor+7Jzx1bUr9Vc sD2w8IWhmlrJST/wKIyVQDBDCHSNY7MD9H0FA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9B6E915B-D156-4178-9774-4C9D6BDE4195@baymoon.com> References: <9B6E915B-D156-4178-9774-4C9D6BDE4195@baymoon.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 09:12:58 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Got a question about looper outputs From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 08:12:59 +0000 (UTC) Bill im waiting on a good review on this baby,so do us a favor bro;-) it does look very practical! On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 2:42 AM, William Walker wr= ote: > The new Roland RC 300 has a secondary pair of outputs, in the next day or= so > I will crack open the first one to arrive in our store and check it out > further, it sure looks impressive. > =A0Bill > > --=20 www.luis-angulo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 08:15:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 848D4183463; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 08:15:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=/YNpx6BVbG1hQQukVZqEwV0fZzCVGOzpSF4t1nIRuCk=; b=EPj8fUcClP4sesPCg7mDwz5r+tc0DBOFA9hjhl7VTN2gtQMBV/3qxVOEe3HggLXO6D nTT2UjQqBHYXIxBokhKJi7w6MYK7xLa4hObAn1YKFA30JGTbph7TX8mdGvtWfmZBD/gt JnpiEtJ2inYvzayy5c4uTQfTtjSC/jGcKELHQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8331074376379682107@unknownmsgid> References: <8331074376379682107@unknownmsgid> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 09:15:05 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: GR-55 tip From: Louie Angulo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 08:15:06 +0000 (UTC) Mark,the other thing i read is that with the GR-55 is not very good at using it as an interface to trigger software soft synths,if u try this features would you let us know? On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:57 AM, mark francombe wrote: > thats very cool per, i have to admit that i havent delved into the > assign tabs yet, although i see them as bring very powerful. One thing > i forgot to mention that i love about the 55 is that within one patch > you can make alot of variations. you have 2 ctr switches, In that the > pedal has one, and the pedal can be assigned 2 ways, so within one > track you can easily stay within one patch, fading and switching > different variations. > > Sent from my (advertisement removed) > > On 30 Nov 2011, at 01:23, Per Boysen wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 12:15 AM, mark francombe wrote: >>> Ive been doing something like this .putting slow slicer before a delay... if >>> the slicers speed is slower than (or is it just out of synch with) the >>> delay, it goes around filling up spaces... >> >> Yes, a nice one :-) >> >>> Is that the purpose of the "kill switch" to hard-mute the input? >> >> >> >>> How are you >>> making it.. by the way? >> >> Controlling volume somewhere I guess, a little different in each patch >> I've mad. Don't remember the details. Will check... well here it is: >> for starters, in the "edit / master / pedal-gk-ctl" I set the "ctl >> function" to momentary mode. Then under "edit / master / assign" I set >> up tabs for the CTR button. Like with the GR300 sound I set the CTR to >> momentary target "model synth/analog pitch sw" att full range ("lo = >> 0" and "high = 127", I think this results in one or two octave's jump >> for this sound). Other viable targets here are "tone switch" for >> kill-switch-swapping sound during playing notes. Hmm... well, that's >> it for the GR55. I guess most of the "machine-gun kill-switch" effect >> comes from that other fuzz sound slapped on the magnetic PU output >> line and targeted also from the GR55 CTL button but through sending >> out MIDI (going into Ableton Live and the Amplitube 3 plugin). >> >> But the details are not important. The point is the control signal >> path: kicking the CTL button as momentary to alter something. In my >> case here I typically target many parameters, both within the GR55 and >> outside it. This was one point with my post - to say, with an example, >> that it is also cool to double up and use the GR55 to control other >> stuff over MIDI. >> >> Per >> > > -- www.luis-angulo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 08:19:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5316183475; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 08:19:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: tyler newman Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-736570577 Subject: Re: Re: Roland GR55 - First Impressions review Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 00:19:14 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20111129230931.9BE59183493@arsenic.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20111129230931.9BE59183493@arsenic.violacea.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 08:19:22 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-736570577 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hi- >=20 > Anyone know that Kawai K1 module? not sure if you're familiar with the ethereal/goth band Lycia, but the = K1 is a staple of their "sound". more or less all the synth sounds on = their early albums are sourced from it.=20 i had one for many years. it's got some pretty cool pad/choir sounds, = and it has some sort of D50-esque 'wave sequencing' capacity, which = mostly sounds really dated (like, really 80's). it's not a "go to" = synth, but has a nice flavor every once in a while. i think they're = super super cheap these days too.=20 K1 (synth), K1r (rack) and K1m (desktop module) all drive the same sound = engine. hope that's vaguely helpful... -tyler / negative_crush= --Apple-Mail-3-736570577 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii hi-

Anyone  know that Kawai K1 module?

not sure if you're familiar with the ethereal/goth band Lycia, but the K1 is a staple of their "sound". more or less all the synth sounds on their early albums are sourced from it. 

i had one for many years. it's got some pretty cool pad/choir sounds, and it has some sort of D50-esque 'wave sequencing' capacity, which mostly sounds really dated (like, really 80's). it's not a "go to" synth, but has a nice flavor every once in a while. i think they're super super cheap these days too. 

K1 (synth), K1r (rack) and K1m (desktop module) all drive the same sound engine.

hope that's vaguely helpful...

-tyler / negative_crush
--Apple-Mail-3-736570577-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 08:37:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37B1E18345D; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 08:37:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=Gb5CnD05CHjeuAFHf8WEj1a9nXVeWUm5YY5bTPTl5wo=; b=McHtLnP6q1MTYIJ74aTDOuRaihYx9jBgyVSIqlvx5eUvuArnuyBuawVTa1ycy24xjM rr9i1cglI+eT7gXan/PWN8+xtqtrtE9aXqvBfzuGi+IPrdfJZWWoGzQmfKB84V0kIUJr IbXrfPiuk2WiDILAGYbWgq91y6cuA8Fal8nGc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 09:37:07 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: DDLOZ_DTXSz8B3DC5Z8RxE4oPSA Message-ID: Subject: Re: Roland GR55 - First Impressions review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf303f6d4c63404204b2efa52e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 08:37:30 +0000 (UTC) --20cf303f6d4c63404204b2efa52e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Louie Angulo wrote: > oh Mark,after this review i think i regret that i sold my GR 33;-) > Oh my... did it too have the arpegiator.. a friend has an unused one, and I must have it.. but I need to explain to him how crap it is.. ha ha > but i love your review,and i believe it,i think people arent critical > enough in reviews sometimes and try to be forgiving > i despise synths trying to imitate acoustic guitars,they should > terminate that once in for all!!! > Indeed, not to mention harmonicas and oboes! (Funnily enough I do use a flute patch a timpani (yes on guitar!!) and even a Female Voice patch or 2, so maybe its HOW you use thses sounds, I just havent found a good use for er... accordion. > why not try to develop a sampler instead of a synth for guitar > now,that would open up amazing pssibilities! > Wow, quite! Or just a synth with less built in sounds, and more a analog synth engine... > i became interested mainly in the detuning feature to create open > tunings,how is that? is there at least one descent single clean amp? > Actually I HAVE found one.. yes... the Clean Bass, gives a little "amp" sound, without too much nasal tone added... > so i wonder how it compares to the GR-33 is the tracking better than > any other unit as they claim? > On mine its terrible on the PCM sounds, but that's because I havent really set up the pick up.. on the modelled sounds however its instant, no latency, just some weird sounds at low level.. which I think I too blame pickup placement, the fact that mines a baritone, and I have old shitty strings with rust all over them.. Mark > cheers > Luis > -- *Mark Francombe* www.markfrancombe.com www.ordoabkhao.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://www.looop.no twitter @markfrancombe http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/ --20cf303f6d4c63404204b2efa52e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@googlemail.com>= wrote:
oh Mark,after this review i think i regret that i sold my = GR 33;-)

Oh my... did it too have the arpegi= ator.. a friend has an unused one, and I must have it.. but I need to expla= in to him how crap it is.. ha ha
=A0
but i love your review,and i believe it,i think people arent critical
enough in reviews sometimes and try to be forgiving
i despise synths trying to imitate acoustic guitars,they should
terminate that once in for all!!!

Indeed, no= t to mention harmonicas and oboes!
(Funnily enough I do use a flute pat= ch a timpani (yes on guitar!!)=A0 and even a Female Voice patch or 2, so ma= ybe its HOW you use thses sounds, I just havent found a good use for er... = accordion.
=A0
why not try to develop a sampler instead of a synth for guitar
now,that would open up amazing pssibilities!
Wow, quite! Or just a synth with less built in sounds, and more a analog s= ynth engine...
=A0
i became interested mainly in the detuning feature to create open
tunings,how is that? is there at least one descent single clean amp?

Actually I HAVE found one.. yes... the Clean Bass,= gives a little "amp" sound, without too much nasal tone added...=
=A0
so i wonder how it compares to the GR-33 is the tracking better than
any other unit as they claim?


On mine it= s terrible on the PCM sounds, but that's because I havent really set up= the pick up.. on the modelled sounds however its instant, no latency, just= some weird sounds at low level.. which I think I too blame pickup placemen= t, the fact that mines a baritone, and I have old shitty strings with rust = all over them..

Mark
cheers
Luis

Just my $0.02.


the other t= ed
 
Or would you sing somethin' different. Someth= in' real. Somethin' *you* felt. Cause I'm telling you right now, that's the= kind of song people want to hear. That's the kind of song that truly saves= people. It ain't got nothin to do with believin' in God, Mr. Cash. It has to do with believin' in yourself. Sam Phillips, "Walk the Line"
<= /div>
From: Rick Walker <= ;looppool@cruzio.com>
To: Boris Plotnikov <ploboris@gmail.com>
Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2= 011 6:21:41 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Boss PS-6 as a tool for looped bass.
For what it'= s worth, I've tried every small stomp box solution on the market for down o= ctaving
(and with every conceivable kind of instrument, from acoustic/el= ectric strings to kalimbas to percussion, et. al.)
and I have to say that the = pedal with the best response and most natural
sound that I've encountere= d is, ironically and happily,  the cheapest one on the market.

= It's called the Danelectro Chili Dog.

It's set up exactly like the B= oss Octaver but tracks far better and sounds more natural
(less artifact= s).

You have separate volume control of initial sound (dry), one oct= ave down and two octaves down.

Anecdotally,  when the famous No= rwegian bassist, Arild Andersen came to headline the looping
festival a = few years back,  he requested that I provide him with a Boss OC-2 for = his performance.

I owned one at the time and sent it over to his hot= el room along with the Chili Dog to also try out.
After using the Chili = Dog he made me sell him mine..............lol.

that's a pretty ringi= ng endorsement (especially from someone playing an electric upright).

The good news:    only $35 or $40  USD wit= h the same footprint as a Boss pedal.

I do also really like the PS-6= , especially because of it's versatility, but the bass sound is not
as g= ood as the Chili Dog, imho.

Rick Walker




On 7/22/6= 4 11:59 AM, Boris Plotnikov wrote:
> Thanks for response. I'm familia= r with MicroPOG and I like it, but I
> dislike it's size (yes it's mi= cro, but still bigger than regular boss
> pedal, I have no enough roo= m in my pedalboard) and I like extra
> features of PS-6 (detune, s-be= nd) which MicroPOG lacks while it have
> the same features (octave lo= wer, octave higher and both together), the
> only differences that in= microPOG it's possible to change level of
> each tone (dry, oct down= , oct up) while it's impossible with PS-6.
>
> 2011/11/27 andy= butler<akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>:
= >> >  Boris Plotnikov wrote:
>> >
>>>= >>    I also thought about MicroPOG but it's a bit bigger = in size and have
>>> >>  no more features except oct= aves.
>>> >>
>> >
>> >  The = MicroPog lower octave tracks very fast.
>> >  ...but has i= t's own sound you may not like.
>> >  (the high octave is = delayed a bit...and out of tune).
>> >
>> >  T= he electro harmonix Octave Multiplexer only does
>> >  oct= ave down, and won't work with chords,
>> >  but it has by = far the best sound for bass lines.
>> >
>> >
>= ;> >  andy



--2119117045-1594068208-1322442857=:40869-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 28 01:21:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BFD218348A; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 01:21:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=hr4h1/zkXYERSJ2EStLXlJ9v/X1e5ATtVUFVM9Abuxk= c=1 sm=0 a=0OxavbBLKS0A:10 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=A2bGdCcTAAAA:8 a=IwxQdCL2AAAA:8 a=yJpT7fFDAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=oTtuw1C_AAAA:8 a=FcAFIstCAAAA:8 a=BUSavO5sXyHCkhzUDeUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=pQ2a0EFxmsAA:10 a=NV0LgFqsyRYA:10 a=KuUPWDPzH6BzW4Nk:21 a=M4HeTul8vFlGd4J9:21 a=ijeUKbY18us5KC869SIA:9 a=5ELYsapGuJ6pHmyZ-MYA:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=iYL6Vh7aP6Ek8q+EW1CzcA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Re: Boss PS-6 as a tool for looped bass. References: <4ED2C605.1010705@cruzio.com> From: chaz worm Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1791CEE2-42D5-47A2-A81A-BB9FBBDDFE08 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <281B6D4B-A54D-4EEB-9893-F29DFF840C79@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 20:21:05 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 01:21:09 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1791CEE2-42D5-47A2-A81A-BB9FBBDDFE08 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You can pick up a Chili Dog for about $30 new. I had one of those before my O= C-2. I was extremely underwhelmed by it. Moderately underwhelmed by the OC2.= =20 But what the hell do I know. I play punk songs on banjo in front of angry bl= uegrass crowds.=20 Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo Earth, Worm, &, Fire and Electric Light Opry http://ChazWorm.com http://ELOpry.com http://HankZeppelin.com http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm On Nov 27, 2011, at 6:43 PM, Mike Fugazzi wrote: > I am so going to get a Chili Dog! Thank! >=20 > Sent from my phone, >=20 > Mike >=20 > On Nov 27, 2011 5:22 PM, "Rick Walker" wrote: > For what it's worth, I've tried every small stomp box solution on the mark= et for down octaving > (and with every conceivable kind of instrument, from acoustic/electric str= ings to kalimbas to percussion, et. al.) > and I have to say that the pedal with the best response and most natural > sound that I've encountered is, ironically and happily, the cheapest one o= n the market. >=20 > It's called the Danelectro Chili Dog. >=20 > It's set up exactly like the Boss Octaver but tracks far better and sounds= more natural > (less artifacts). >=20 > You have separate volume control of initial sound (dry), one octave down a= nd two octaves down. >=20 > Anecdotally, when the famous Norwegian bassist, Arild Andersen came to he= adline the looping > festival a few years back, he requested that I provide him with a Boss OC= -2 for his performance. >=20 > I owned one at the time and sent it over to his hotel room along with the C= hili Dog to also try out. > After using the Chili Dog he made me sell him mine..............lol. >=20 > that's a pretty ringing endorsement (especially from someone playing an el= ectric upright). >=20 > The good news: only $35 or $40 USD with the same footprint as a Boss p= edal. >=20 > I do also really like the PS-6, especially because of it's versatility, bu= t the bass sound is not > as good as the Chili Dog, imho. >=20 > Rick Walker >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Boris Plotnikov wrote: > Thanks for response. I'm familiar with MicroPOG and I like it, but I > dislike it's size (yes it's micro, but still bigger than regular boss > pedal, I have no enough room in my pedalboard) and I like extra > features of PS-6 (detune, s-bend) which MicroPOG lacks while it have > the same features (octave lower, octave higher and both together), the > only differences that in microPOG it's possible to change level of > each tone (dry, oct down, oct up) while it's impossible with PS-6. >=20 > 2011/11/27 andy butler: > > Boris Plotnikov wrote: > > > >> I also thought about MicroPOG but it's a bit bigger in size and have= > >> no more features except octaves. > >> > > > > The MicroPog lower octave tracks very fast. > > ...but has it's own sound you may not like. > > (the high octave is delayed a bit...and out of tune). > > > > The electro harmonix Octave Multiplexer only does > > octave down, and won't work with chords, > > but it has by far the best sound for bass lines. > > > > > > andy >=20 --Apple-Mail-1791CEE2-42D5-47A2-A81A-BB9FBBDDFE08 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
You can pick up a Chili Dog for about $30 new. I had one of those before my OC-2. I was extremely underwhelmed by it. Moderately underwhelmed by the OC2. 

But what the hell do I know. I play punk songs on banjo in front of angry bluegrass crowds. 

Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo
Earth, Worm, &, Fire and
Electric Light Opry


On Nov 27, 2011, at 6:43 PM, Mike Fugazzi <mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:

I am so going to get a Chili Dog!  Thank!

Sent from my phone,

Mike

On Nov 27, 2011 5:22 PM, "Rick Walker" <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
For what it's worth, I've tried every small stomp box solution on the market for down octaving
(and with every conceivable kind of instrument, from acoustic/electric strings to kalimbas to percussion, et. al.)
and I have to say that the pedal with the best response and most natural
sound that I've encountered is, ironically and happily,  the cheapest one on the market.

It's called the Danelectro Chili Dog.

It's set up exactly like the Boss Octaver but tracks far better and sounds more natural
(less artifacts).

You have separate volume control of initial sound (dry), one octave down and two octaves down.

Anecdotally,  when the famous Norwegian bassist, Arild Andersen came to headline the looping
festival a few years back,  he requested that I provide him with a Boss OC-2 for his performance.

I owned one at the time and sent it over to his hotel room along with the Chili Dog to also try out.
After using the Chili Dog he made me sell him mine..............lol.

that's a pretty ringing endorsement (especially from someone playing an electric upright).

The good news:    only $35 or $40  USD with the same footprint as a Boss pedal.

I do also really like the PS-6, especially because of it's versatility, but the bass sound is not
as good as the Chili Dog, imho.

Rick Walker




On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Boris Plotnikov wrote:
Thanks for response. I'm familiar with MicroPOG and I like it, but I
dislike it's size (yes it's micro, but still bigger than regular boss
pedal, I have no enough room in my pedalboard) and I like extra
features of PS-6 (detune, s-bend) which MicroPOG lacks while it have
the same features (octave lower, octave higher and both together), the
only differences that in microPOG it's possible to change level of
each tone (dry, oct down, oct up) while it's impossible with PS-6.

2011/11/27 andy butler<akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>:
>  Boris Plotnikov wrote:
>
>>    I also thought about MicroPOG but it's a bit bigger in size and have
>>  no more features except octaves.
>>
>
>  The MicroPog lower octave tracks very fast.
>  ...but has it's own sound you may not like.
>  (the high octave is delayed a bit...and out of tune).
>
>  The electro harmonix Octave Multiplexer only does
>  octave down, and won't work with chords,
>  but it has by far the best sound for bass lines.
>
>
>  andy

--Apple-Mail-1791CEE2-42D5-47A2-A81A-BB9FBBDDFE08-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 28 01:42:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDBCC183478; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 01:42:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <9B6E915B-D156-4178-9774-4C9D6BDE4195@baymoon.com> From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Got a question about looper outputs Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:42:30 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 01:42:37 +0000 (UTC) The new Roland RC 300 has a secondary pair of outputs, in the next day or so I will crack open the first one to arrive in our store and check it out further, it sure looks impressive. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 28 03:18:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C702183475; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 03:18:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YVT8bndegpEzX3WEsF1gvsxrhDq4zcEXrnbbo9R2Xws=; b=GjJFRbTKYjpCCWR0zvaVFOnffMLmVV0F0D/eN20Wj91sCfIJgqO4dd5WWLZeH52uTq 3NMrc1MVG+yMk/G0tTlY5FBstcWSAvetP7uiOyanci4+u7mnCU7+/ZtWym1BuBxGns2Z Ghv0zCoiZ5LufDUwAJ32bNPFoQ9gocFKm8NdY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4ED23283.8090206@cruzio.com> References: <4ED23283.8090206@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 19:18:15 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Ritchie Blackmore looping From: Art Simon To: Rick Walker Cc: stanitarium@earthlink.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 03:18:16 +0000 (UTC) Awesome clip Rick, the playing there is just jaw dropping. Hadn't heard of Tal Wikenfeld! On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 4:52 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Art Simon wrote: >> >> Loved that Akkerman song when it came out in 1977, and I still do. Great >> groove, great guitar. The live album at the Montreux Jazz festival aroun= d >> that time is excellent as well. > > There is a moment at 1:30 where Akkerman does a very hip harmonic > thing.........and the bass player just > bursts out into a grin at how clever and unusual his phrasing is. > > There are a few moments like this that I've seen (or experienced) where a > musician is so into what > their compatriots are playing that they 'lose it'. > > I think , =A0particularly, =A0 of =A0Jeff Beck's bassist, Tal Wikenfeld, = =A0losing > it when Vinnie Coliauta plays a particularly > hip fill in "Since We've Ended as Lovers" =A0(at 0:34 in this vid clip, > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DejgqyEviSyk) > > or when I saw the sax player in Brian Blade's Fellowship band start to cr= y > in the middle of the > aching beauty of his fellow sax players solo at a recent phenomenal Kuumb= wa > Jazz Center show I saw. > > > This is when music really hits the highest of peaks and when I feel proud > that we've all chosen > this particular path in the world. > > Thanks for posting this. =A0 Akkerman is amazing and to think I only knew= of > him, previously, > from "Hocus Pocus" =A0a particularly weird and funny moment from prog/fus= ion > history. > > Rick Walker > > > --=20 Art Simon simart@gmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 28 12:33:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F2A6183463; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:33:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 696230133/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/85.210.188.146/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.210.188.146 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAPd+005V0ryS/2dsb2JhbAAMN61xAQEBAwE4QAYLCxgJFg8JAwIBAgFFHAGIAbY4h02DFQSZdoxf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,583,1315177200"; d="scan'208";a="696230133" Message-ID: <4ED37FAB.3080607@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:33:47 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss PS-6 as a tool for looped bass. References: <4ED2C7D2.2070906@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4ED2C7D2.2070906@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:33:40 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker wrote: > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, chaz worm wrote: >> For harmony shifting I love my electro harmonic POG pedal.=20 > I love my micro POG, too, but I have to say that the caveat here is > that it is synthesizing the pitches NOT harmonizing them from > everything I've been told and from everything I've heard. It does use harmonizer type algorithms. A harmonizer breaks the sound up into little chunks and plays each chunk back at a shifted rate. Large chunk sizes sound more natural, but create more latency...and unevenness on percussive sounds. The EH harmonisers use a small chunk size, and match it to the pitch of the input. By doing this they get very low latency on downward shifts. ...but it gives a digi-edge to the sound, and perhaps it's not that far off so call it re-synthesis. The EH harmonizers claim to work with polyphonic input, but only cope with the simplest harmonies. Rick Walker wrote: > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, andy butler wrote: >> I use the Octave Multiplexer all the time, no delay. > not familiar with that one, Andy..........who makes it? Electro Harmonix Octave Multiplexer. This does produce a synthetic output, and it's single note only. ...but it feels something like a real bass to me, whether I'm using it on guitar or lending it to Stephen Scott while I'm trying to play drums. I reckon part of what makes it good is that the volume of the synthesized tone tracks that of the input. (also it has tone controls on the synth part) It has 2 controls on the bass sound which, with the dry mix, gives you more control than usual over the results. True Bypass. ...and the dry sound when mixed in is pristine. Some amazing ebow sounds with it too, especially using the 'Sub Off' option which replaces the regular sub sound with something more fuzzy. It's one of my 'must have' fx these days. I tried the original 70's version, ages ago, and wasn't impressed, don't remember why though. I haven't tried the Chilli Dog, (and it's not easily available here), I'll give it a whirl if I get the chance, but I'd be worried about the bypass tone at that price point. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 28 13:56:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4D29183462; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:56:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=3KtMyXZ/QFE4bt8NkhXnKwBfPgl8FkzkU2k9R0VN3cw=; b=O7EIboi8hPuZAaxPBHVe2XjHliozE3FD2la63IZHCru6OYckXHE+30NHLl9TAcazFq r8r0YDIDF0fpOg55YRs3s1sqEOM6SPkMprYX/auIFUhYJKZrSIUkJCCFIuXPTQ21VTKB s1SSeIvWVLEUiBUfFy+icK2B8qDM/tYGPhNJY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4ED37FAB.3080607@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4ED2C7D2.2070906@cruzio.com> <4ED37FAB.3080607@tiscali.co.uk> From: Mike Fugazzi Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 07:56:23 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Boss PS-6 as a tool for looped bass. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f2343fd7878c904b2cbdfe2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:56:45 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f2343fd7878c904b2cbdfe2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 With the set-up Boris is talking about, any latency can screw up a loop and the timing. When I tried the POG2, everything was synched in regards to staring and stopping, BUT the bass was always offbeat. Yuck! I use a Boomerang III and I know one guy using an LP-1, otherwise, harmonica-one-man-band types tend to use pretty basic loopers like the Headrush. Sometimes, if the riff is longer than a bar or two, you can think your timing is good but even if it is a hair off, it can screw things up. I don't think that is the issue here. I totally get the latency issue and how that can create a sort of drift feeling. ---------- Mike Fugazzi vocals/harmonica http://www.mikefugazzi.com Facebook YouTube Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:33 AM, andy butler wrote: > Rick Walker wrote: > >> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, chaz worm wrote: >> >>> For harmony shifting I love my electro harmonic POG pedal.=20 >>> >> I love my micro POG, too, but I have to say that the caveat here is >> that it is synthesizing the pitches NOT harmonizing them from >> everything I've been told and from everything I've heard. >> > > It does use harmonizer type algorithms. > > A harmonizer breaks the sound up into little chunks > and plays each chunk back at a shifted rate. > > Large chunk sizes sound more natural, but create > more latency...and unevenness on percussive sounds. > > The EH harmonisers use a small chunk size, and > match it to the pitch of the input. > By doing this they get very low latency on downward shifts. > ...but it gives a digi-edge to the sound, and perhaps > it's not that far off so call it re-synthesis. > > > The EH harmonizers claim to work with polyphonic input, > but only cope with the simplest harmonies. > > > Rick Walker wrote: > >> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, andy butler wrote: >> >>> I use the Octave Multiplexer all the time, no delay. >>> >> > not familiar with that one, Andy..........who makes it? >> > > Electro Harmonix Octave Multiplexer. > > This does produce a synthetic output, and it's > single note only. > > ...but it feels something like a real bass to me, > whether I'm using it on guitar or lending it to > Stephen Scott while I'm trying to play drums. > > I reckon part of what makes it good is that the volume of the synthesized > tone tracks that of the input. > (also it has tone controls on the synth part) > > It has 2 controls on the bass sound which, with the dry mix, > gives you more control than usual over the results. > > True Bypass. > ...and the dry sound when mixed in is pristine. > > > Some amazing ebow sounds with it too, especially > using the 'Sub Off' option which replaces the regular > sub sound with something more fuzzy. > > It's one of my 'must have' fx these days. > > > I tried the original 70's version, ages ago, and > wasn't impressed, don't remember why though. > > > > > I haven't tried the Chilli Dog, (and it's not > easily available here), I'll give > it a whirl if I get the chance, but I'd > be worried about the bypass tone at that price point. > andy > > > > > > > --e89a8f2343fd7878c904b2cbdfe2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable With the set-up Boris is talking about, any latency can screw up a loop and= the timing.=A0 When I tried the POG2, everything was synched in regards to= staring and stopping, BUT the bass was always offbeat.=A0 Yuck!

I u= se a Boomerang III and I know one guy using an LP-1, otherwise, harmonica-o= ne-man-band types tend to use pretty basic loopers like the Headrush.=A0 So= metimes, if the riff is longer than a bar or two, you can think your timing= is good but even if it is a hair off, it can screw things up.=A0 I don'= ;t think that is the issue here.=A0 I totally get the latency issue and how= that can create a sort of drift feeling.
----------
Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.com
Facebook
YouTu= be
Quicksilver Custom Harmonicas



On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:33 AM, andy bu= tler <akbutl= er@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
Rick Walker wrote:
On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, chaz worm wrote:
For harmony shifting I love my electro harmonic POG pedal.=3D20
I love my micro POG, too, but I have to say that the caveat here is
that it is synthesizing the pitches NOT harmonizing them from
everything I've been told and from everything I've heard.

It does use harmonizer type algorithms.

A harmonizer breaks the sound up into little chunks
and plays each chunk back at a shifted rate.

Large chunk sizes sound more natural, but create
more latency...and unevenness on percussive sounds.

The EH harmonisers use a small chunk size, and
match it to the pitch of the input.
By doing this they get very low latency on downward shifts.
...but it gives a digi-edge to the sound, and perhaps
it's not that far off so call it re-synthesis.


The EH harmonizers claim to work with polyphonic input,
but only cope with the simplest harmonies.


Rick Walker wrote:
On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, andy butler wrote:
I use the Octave Multiplexer all the time, no delay.

not familiar with that one, Andy..........who makes it?

Electro Harmonix Octave Multiplexer.

This does produce a synthetic output, and it's
single note only.

...but it feels something like a real bass to me,
whether I'm using it on guitar or lending it to
Stephen Scott while I'm trying to play drums.

I reckon part of what makes it good is that the volume of the synthesized t= one tracks that of the input.
(also it has tone controls on the synth part)

It has 2 controls on the bass sound which, with the dry mix,
gives you more control than usual over the results.

True Bypass.
...and the dry sound when mixed in is pristine.


Some amazing ebow sounds with it too, especially
using the 'Sub Off' option which replaces the regular
sub sound with something more fuzzy.

It's one of my 'must have' fx these days.


I tried the original 70's version, ages ago, and
wasn't impressed, don't remember why though.




I haven't tried the Chilli Dog, (and it's not
easily available here), I'll give
it a whirl if I get the chance, but I'd
be worried about the bypass tone at that price point.
andy







--e89a8f2343fd7878c904b2cbdfe2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 28 14:19:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B905183475; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:19:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4ED39879.5030509@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 06:19:37 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Simeon Harris CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Got a question about looper outputs References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:19:57 +0000 (UTC) On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Simeon Harris wrote: > if you do want a separate looper, some have extra outputs, like the > akai headrush and the looperlative lp-1 which will allow you to send > dry signal along one path and the looped signal along another The LP-1 also has a wet/dry or a wet only setting in it's main menu. It also has auxiliary sends that one can route to, so , if you use four mono channels, ostensibly, you can create four separate outs. I don't know anyone who does this, but it occurs to me that you could conceivably be recording a new set of tracks that only go to a headphone amplifier while you have a long fadeout of previously recorded and synced tracks..........then once you have a loop going, you could reassign it to the mains with the volume down and fade it back in. I haven't tried this though. Anyone? rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 28 14:30:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DCEC183453; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:30:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4ED39AE8.40703@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 06:30:00 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andy butler CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Boss PS-6 as a tool for looped bass. References: <4ED37FAB.3080607@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ED37FAB.3080607@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:30:18 +0000 (UTC) This is why I love this list...........someone will have the skinny on just about anything. So, I stand corrected about the EH Micro POG. It sure sounds synthetic compared to the Chili Dog (which actually takes distortion beautifully so it has it's advantages). Why are there so many cool pedals and so little money? Just today on this list, I told myself I wish I could own a BOSS PS-6, an EH Holy Grail, an EH Octave Multiplexer and a BOSS OC-3 Add to that my brother's delicious WET pedal with two expression pedals and a second EH Freeze (adding my signals output on top of my first EH Freeze to get an even cooler 'frozen' sound. So many pedals, so little money. rick walker On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, andy butler wrote: > > It does use harmonizer type algorithms. > > A harmonizer breaks the sound up into little chunks > and plays each chunk back at a shifted rate. > > Large chunk sizes sound more natural, but create > more latency...and unevenness on percussive sounds. > > The EH harmonisers use a small chunk size, and > match it to the pitch of the input. > By doing this they get very low latency on downward shifts. > ...but it gives a digi-edge to the sound, and perhaps > it's not that far off so call it re-synthesis. > > > The EH harmonizers claim to work with polyphonic input, > but only cope with the simplest harmonies. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 28 14:55:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 129EA183462; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:55:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WS-COS: WSOB803 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=hr4h1/zkXYERSJ2EStLXlJ9v/X1e5ATtVUFVM9Abuxk= c=1 sm=0 a=0OxavbBLKS0A:10 a=PS5YPsqztb8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=A2bGdCcTAAAA:8 a=IwxQdCL2AAAA:8 a=yJpT7fFDAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=FcAFIstCAAAA:8 a=DCsEVp5nDdph6UoAALwA:9 a=pUrfbNCzyGSlKrZbUccA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=NV0LgFqsyRYA:10 a=BiwAAO6BdZfUyNVW:21 a=aDCF9igP2HZcR5__:21 a=Xz0AXNmeCf7Q4lNCyvuEmA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Subject: Re: Boss PS-6 as a tool for looped bass. References: <4ED2C7D2.2070906@cruzio.com> <4ED37FAB.3080607@tiscali.co.uk> From: chaz worm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <4ED37FAB.3080607@tiscali.co.uk> Message-Id: <1D730253-2965-414D-B65B-A248DD34DED0@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 08:55:08 -0500 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:55:27 +0000 (UTC) I'd be tempted to sell you my Chilidog at $20 but I'm starting to think mine= is damaged or something. I can't believe such a crap pedal, in my opinion, w= ould get such ringing endorsements from much better musicians than I.=20 I tend to favor crap over good stuff but it failed me miserably.=20 All I know is with my POG pedal and my sansamp it matters not that I'm backi= ng someone on "bass" by using a $50 fretless minstrel (baritone) banjo. It s= ounds pretty good. It beats lugging around my stupid upright in my Miata. Wh= ich looks so silly it's often fun to do anyway.=20 As you pointed out, it's handling only one note at a time. Maybe that is why= I like the POG so much. Not to much "chording" in my basslines on that gut s= tring minstrel banjo. Lol This list is such a great source of knowledge.=20 Chaz Worm - singer, bass, banjo Earth, Worm, &, Fire and Electric Light Opry http://ChazWorm.com http://ELOpry.com http://HankZeppelin.com http://YouTube.com/ChazWorm On Nov 28, 2011, at 7:33 AM, andy butler wrote: > Rick Walker wrote: >> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, chaz worm wrote: >>> For harmony shifting I love my electro harmonic POG pedal.=3D20 >> I love my micro POG, too, but I have to say that the caveat here is >> that it is synthesizing the pitches NOT harmonizing them from >> everything I've been told and from everything I've heard. >=20 > It does use harmonizer type algorithms. >=20 > A harmonizer breaks the sound up into little chunks > and plays each chunk back at a shifted rate. >=20 > Large chunk sizes sound more natural, but create > more latency...and unevenness on percussive sounds. >=20 > The EH harmonisers use a small chunk size, and > match it to the pitch of the input. > By doing this they get very low latency on downward shifts. > ...but it gives a digi-edge to the sound, and perhaps > it's not that far off so call it re-synthesis. >=20 >=20 > The EH harmonizers claim to work with polyphonic input, > but only cope with the simplest harmonies. >=20 >=20 > Rick Walker wrote: >> On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, andy butler wrote: >>> I use the Octave Multiplexer all the time, no delay. >=20 >> not familiar with that one, Andy..........who makes it? >=20 > Electro Harmonix Octave Multiplexer. >=20 > This does produce a synthetic output, and it's > single note only. >=20 > ...but it feels something like a real bass to me, > whether I'm using it on guitar or lending it to > Stephen Scott while I'm trying to play drums. >=20 > I reckon part of what makes it good is that the volume of the synthesized t= one tracks that of the input. > (also it has tone controls on the synth part) >=20 > It has 2 controls on the bass sound which, with the dry mix, > gives you more control than usual over the results. >=20 > True Bypass. > ...and the dry sound when mixed in is pristine. >=20 >=20 > Some amazing ebow sounds with it too, especially > using the 'Sub Off' option which replaces the regular > sub sound with something more fuzzy. >=20 > It's one of my 'must have' fx these days. >=20 >=20 > I tried the original 70's version, ages ago, and > wasn't impressed, don't remember why though. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > I haven't tried the Chilli Dog, (and it's not > easily available here), I'll give > it a whirl if I get the chance, but I'd > be worried about the bypass tone at that price point.=20 > andy >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 28 15:29:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C57B0183460; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:29:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 991277.8808.bm@omp1026.mail.bf1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1322494175; bh=0N5SPNqh3LCpWDuYwZg42bOI4tg+arlGL3QBuLXEUR8=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cQWYgtmFjVouPNHZgWVpvR/RavJficJfPHBTWxrgfTXQ7Nmjx2Rv/os55Rt6WMuZRkL7ha6Gx8FpqKgGLNfYu+dS+7y4CWavFlwlzl71itsaF8dia5OvQfvSZ501plvwKk+PhmkOL8RgkRzZjOX6lZ2qnmX1gj8JA0uVvxN57Ug= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jOykHLqqeKQuPpeUp9qsNs+1W5n7LPtBNxKlv3eginOrV4Eq27/FqL7t1mi7xxnK+uw5l6vesLwJfT5q99QaOJCPNXpLzid7GaSUm+JpxMaScRD74J3uZtMPKMS4GnQtBbyxLf7Z6+tH7Ub5Y54VYew4ncREW9y/1v5lG+OkkIk=; X-YMail-OSG: c3gFrGAVM1kgwKD8Lvk2MLAiB6rcHR_YYiLq9NZebj9VjHH Cl7oe3Wd_WHq7wirCrEn1NWhBiL8QxdX3PqAEm1tj2mEPBgG1dLqdySN5uzi GQmmr8bSHxMuItq.yyMTO.8cxA2PPfEc2pm0cwH2lG0Au_zrhsm2OD5yNpqk BZtvLkd5U6Zx1hXP2QGSBgwJeH1lnWyY7kDI.CF5hE32_AIipgXArjxzDjjF svFPU_MegYlPV3TKSiPC4rfoCWz6EB4cy2bdaOJDd42.uvt5AK.NxvGTcgX3 FHbtJnwhl1PmX7KLEeIhK0.POj8phH5kuo4O2HUGFqaYrcisgmHKKheVqMZe zwBrnoo3MQPfNchN6_R7EE5uw5pZ8l2rM7iaXQ9docuvQHWMrxSunY7qTzDY kb7.oqMJt6x_XZrN1CaXfuM8P7ebXlp_NAVmDTkVWVyDKlwHVGdMjm5t2Km0 6rzhM9VLYu16Hy1fa.tgQLL9c X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.325013 References: <4ECCD8AD.5000303@cruzio.com> <4ECD4CA2.6060805@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <1322494175.64146.YahooMailNeo@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 07:29:35 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Reply-To: bill bigrig Subject: Re: suck on this, mother_loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-981468583-1720623441-1322494175=:64146" Resent-Message-ID: <394keC.A.JbD.gj60OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:29:36 +0000 (UTC) ---981468583-1720623441-1322494175=:64146 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You Can't hurry Love rig ________________________________ From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 12:28 PM Subject: Re: suck on this, mother_loopers You could blue (green) screen this, but then you have all the lighting issues associated with the techniques (getting the background lighting to match with the composed elements) and likely some scaling issues (to say nothing of matching camera angles... I'm just not good enough to pull this off and be happy with the results.) It's probably easier to keep each "performer" in his own corner of the room and film everything with a fixed camera, running through the song all the way through for each performers, making sure to get adequately long footage with no one in the shot. Repeat for each camera angle. Then, in a software like adobe after effects, you layer each take on top of each other (the empty room on the bottom) and make a subtractive mask around the performers. If one performer is moving "behind" another, you'll have to animate the mask to obscure part of that performer. First time I saw something like this was in a Phil Collins video (anyone remember the song?). Sylvain ---981468583-1720623441-1322494175=:64146 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii You Can't hurry Love
rig
From: Sylvain Poitras <sylvain.trombone@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: suck on this, mother_loopers
You could blue (green) screen this, but then you have all the lighting
issues associated with the techniques (getting the background lighting
to match with the composed elements) and likely some scaling issues
(to say nothing of matching camera angles... I'm just not good enough
to pull this off and be happy with the results.)
It's probably easier to keep each "performer" in his own corner of the
room and film everything with a fixed camera, running through the song
all the way through for each performers, making sure to get adequately
long footage with no one in the shot. Repeat for each camera angle.
Then, in a software like adobe after effects, you layer each take on
top of each other (the empty room on the bottom) and make a
subtractive mask around the performers. If one performer is moving
"behind" another, you'll have to animate the mask to obscure part of
that performer.
First time I saw something like this was in a Phil Collins video
(anyone remember the song?).
Sylvain



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Hello:
 
If anyone is in need of an APC33 Clamp for any o= f the Roland Handsonic products, let me know. I have a mint condition unit = w/original box. These go for $46.00 mail order. Make me an offer if interes= ted. THX!
 
(Sold my HPD-10 and bought a Korg Wavedrum)
 
Regard's,  Paul
---2114655128-187632541-1322508673=:41023-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 28 19:51:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AAC54183462; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:51:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4ED3E62D.4000403@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:51:09 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Circular Breathing: Live Looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:51:16 +0000 (UTC) Oh my god, talking about acoustic looping: Check this wonderful performance out: Colin Stetson circular breathing through a baritone sax http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9YJM2GCvk8 (thanks to looping experimental kalimba guru, RP Collier for turning me onto this) rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 28 20:06:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8178C183466; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 20:06:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=qiREgXyFPTfYlC5qbDznWil9NchpSt9aMt7skuMQWC0=; b=GO8g6g895TZjhXJCgOwR5ZbLf0Yxx9e8IHQ0Dx3TPmAW6uCv1+2tZQM+s4lxL4/pJR 8FQ01wndcte71QtR1OP3hay3s8cNH8Fj9Bs9H0uVunMSRHD2UnCvpNXAhcx9MWht/9uo hFpasKiznfPTKo29/nxt1uUeugnlGjemSwegE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:06:22 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Ableton EDP LP1 From: Phil Clevenger To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f3b9da5634c9a04b2d109ff Resent-Message-ID: <4yZal.A.m6G._m-0OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 20:06:23 +0000 (UTC) --e89a8f3b9da5634c9a04b2d109ff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Anyone out there have good luck slaving EDP (Loop4) or LP1 (1.39) to Ableton Live 8's MIDI clock ? EDP seems to do better at keeping in synch initially, but there is a glitch every 12 cycles or so that just tosses it completely out of synch. That glitch could be the fault of any number of things, too broad to diagnose here... LP1 seems to lazily drift just enough to make me crazy, only takes a minute or so of cycling before it is out of synch. The synch probs of 1.39 are fairly well documented, but I could swear I had this working well at some point in the past... Not looking for a diagnosis in the dark from a distance, but if anyone would say "hey I am doing that and it works great," or "I got it to work, but there is a little trick to it..." then I will continue to chase the solution. Also possible is, "Oh no, we've been down that road, and only monsters await..." Phil :) --e89a8f3b9da5634c9a04b2d109ff Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone out there have good luck slaving EDP (Loop4)=A0 or LP1 (1.39) to Abl= eton Live 8's MIDI clock ?

EDP seems to do better at=A0 keeping= in synch initially, but=A0 there is a glitch every 12 cycles or so that ju= st tosses it completely out of synch. That glitch could be the fault of any= number of things, too broad to diagnose here...

LP1 seems to lazily drift just enough to make me crazy, only takes a mi= nute or so of cycling before it is out of synch. The synch probs of 1.39 ar= e fairly well documented, but I could swear I had this working well at some= point in the past...

Not looking for a diagnosis in the dark from a distance, but if anyone = would say "hey I am doing that and it works great," or "I go= t it to work, but there is a little trick to it..." then I will contin= ue to chase the solution. Also possible is, "Oh no, we've been dow= n that road, and only monsters await..."

Phil :)
--e89a8f3b9da5634c9a04b2d109ff-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 28 20:12:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74017183475; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 20:12:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [10.15.40.136] X-Originating-Email: [sylvester_malik_evidence_studios@hotmail.com] Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "sylvester malik " To: "Rick Walker " , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com " Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 20:12:30 +0000 Subject: Re: Circular Breathing: Live Looping X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2011 20:12:30.0120 (UTC) FILETIME=[0E635A80:01CCAE0A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 20:12:31 +0000 (UTC) Saw him live a couple of months ago, great technique, zero effects. Just so= me carefully placed mics.=20 Sylvester Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -----Original Message----- From: Rick Walker Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:51:09=20 To: Subject: Circular Breathing: Live Looping Oh my god,=A0=A0 talking about acoustic looping:=0A= =0A= Check this wonderful performance out:=0A= =0A= Colin Stetson circular breathing through a baritone sax=0A= =0A= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dk9YJM2GCvk8=0A= =0A= (thanks to looping experimental kalimba guru, RP Collier for turning=0A= me onto this)=0A= =0A= rick walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 28 20:24:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95975183477; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 20:24:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=eSkArRVC72ImlnItpFhdqOvIoXwbGFfkZwlHP888w2s=; b=V1HccErWQa/z/pASvCtjn+kwU08YxJIFQ6jT8VGr2L8XgcPKu+5RZet69nuiwUkcKv BI98SgVRE501itPMEzFW68Qq0DWkTdRn0AW7VcbLvy0DANvlpSUDA6CAJFxXzTC4wlzi QdYGz9i/Y4d/KxVRGADIGDJS8IWr9VE4f7+5o= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 21:24:20 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ableton EDP LP1 From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <-FrUXD.A.5SH.13-0OB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 20:24:21 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > Anyone out there have good luck slaving EDP (Loop4)=C2=A0 or LP1 (1.39) t= o > Ableton Live 8's MIDI clock ? No. Allow an educated guess that some people on the other hand are having good luck slaving to pulse/beat. ;-)) This is because MIDI Clock tempo sync is a system where the slaving device needs to go out and measure its own speed compared to the master's speed and then proceed with adjustments of its own speed - but at that stage the master clock might already have drifted away. Bottom line: Slaving device is always late, playing constant catch-up. When I tried syncing EDP after a beat/pulse it followed well. But most of the times I never sync a looper, I sync other gear, including software host applications. For my music that works better. > EDP seems to do better at=C2=A0 keeping in synch initially, but=C2=A0 the= re is a > glitch every 12 cycles or so that just tosses it completely out of synch. > That glitch could be the fault of any number of things, too broad to > diagnose here... Sorry no idea what that can be. Never heard of it. Are you sure you don't have any MIDI cable inserted when this phenomenon occurs? If so it can be cause by some unknown incoming external MIDI data. > LP1 seems to lazily drift just enough to make me crazy, only takes a minu= te > or so of cycling before it is out of synch. The synch probs of 1.39 are > fairly well documented, but I could swear I had this working well at some > point in the past... > > Not looking for a diagnosis in the dark from a distance, Astrology: Mercury is RETROGRADE! ;-) Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 28 20:52:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3A54183486; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 20:52:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:44:32 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance 12.02 Lowell MA Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, Experimental Film Discussion List Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 20:52:24 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I'll be doing video improvisations at 119 Gallery (my favorite performance space) as part of the below event. Kane Welcome Duo: [Brooklyn NY] Bonnie Kane - sax, flute, electronics, Chris Welcome - guitar + Equal Time: [MA NH] Thom Keith - saxophones, Forbes Graham - trumpet, Jonathan Paul - guitar, Tim Webb - bass, Mike Walsh - drums + Guerilla Toss: Andy Allen - saxophone, Simon Hanes - bass, Peter Negroponte - drums, Ian Kovac Jr - synth, Arian Shafiee - guitar + BopAnts: [MA NH] Marc Bisson - guitar, objects Joe Burgio - movement, Walter Wright - video I'll be doing video for the first two sets, and am looking forward to working with Chris and Forbes and some new friends. 119 Chelmsford St Lowell, MA 01851 8:00 PM http://www.119gallery.org/ My videos, including recordings of some of my performances, can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld Culinary note: There is an outstanding Cambodian restaurant next door to the gallery. -- My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 28 21:58:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0926A18348B; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 21:58:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7FB96887-A6D3-4345-992C-CD30BF99ADF7@sea.plala.or.jp> From: Ed Durbrow To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4ED2C605.1010705@cruzio.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9-612938844 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Boss PS-6 as a tool for looped bass. Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 06:58:42 +0900 References: <4ED2C605.1010705@cruzio.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-VirusScan: Outbound; msa02b; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 06:58:42 +0900 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 21:58:46 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-9-612938844 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did you compare it to the Foxrox Octron2? I bought one and at first I thought it tracked brilliantly but then it seemed to not track so well. Can't put my finger on what I did, but it is not cutting it now. On Nov 28, 2011, at 8:21 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > For what it's worth, I've tried every small stomp box solution on > the market for down octaving > (and with every conceivable kind of instrument, from acoustic/ > electric strings to kalimbas to percussion, et. al.) > and I have to say that the pedal with the best response and most > natural > sound that I've encountered is, ironically and happily, the > cheapest one on the market. > > It's called the Danelectro Chili Dog. > > It's set up exactly like the Boss Octaver but tracks far better and > sounds more natural > (less artifacts). > > You have separate volume control of initial sound (dry), one octave > down and two octaves down. > > Anecdotally, when the famous Norwegian bassist, Arild Andersen came > to headline the looping > festival a few years back, he requested that I provide him with a > Boss OC-2 for his performance. > > I owned one at the time and sent it over to his hotel room along > with the Chili Dog to also try out. > After using the Chili Dog he made me sell him mine..............lol. > > that's a pretty ringing endorsement (especially from someone playing > an electric upright). > > The good news: only $35 or $40 USD with the same footprint as a > Boss pedal. > > I do also really like the PS-6, especially because of it's > versatility, but the bass sound is not > as good as the Chili Dog, imho. > > Rick Walker > > > > > On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Boris Plotnikov wrote: >> Thanks for response. I'm familiar with MicroPOG and I like it, but I >> dislike it's size (yes it's micro, but still bigger than regular boss >> pedal, I have no enough room in my pedalboard) and I like extra >> features of PS-6 (detune, s-bend) which MicroPOG lacks while it have >> the same features (octave lower, octave higher and both together), >> the >> only differences that in microPOG it's possible to change level of >> each tone (dry, oct down, oct up) while it's impossible with PS-6. >> >> 2011/11/27 andy butler: >>> > Boris Plotnikov wrote: >>> > >>>> >> I also thought about MicroPOG but it's a bit bigger in size >>>> and have >>>> >> no more features except octaves. >>>> >> >>> > >>> > The MicroPog lower octave tracks very fast. >>> > ...but has it's own sound you may not like. >>> > (the high octave is delayed a bit...and out of tune). >>> > >>> > The electro harmonix Octave Multiplexer only does >>> > octave down, and won't work with chords, >>> > but it has by far the best sound for bass lines. >>> > >>> > >>> > andy > Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ --Apple-Mail-9-612938844 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Did you compare it to the = Foxrox Octron2? I bought one and at first I thought it tracked = brilliantly but then it seemed to not track so well. Can't put my finger = on what I did, but it is not cutting it now.

On Nov = 28, 2011, at 8:21 AM, Rick Walker wrote:

For = what it's worth, I've tried every small stomp box solution on the market = for down octaving
(and with every conceivable kind of instrument, = from acoustic/electric strings to kalimbas to percussion, et. = al.)
and I have to say that the pedal with the best response and most = natural
sound that I've encountered is, ironically and happily, =  the cheapest one on the market.

It's called the Danelectro = Chili Dog.

It's set up exactly like the Boss Octaver but tracks = far better and sounds more natural
(less artifacts).

You have = separate volume control of initial sound (dry), one octave down and two = octaves down.

Anecdotally,  when the famous Norwegian = bassist, Arild Andersen came to headline the looping
festival a few = years back,  he requested that I provide him with a Boss OC-2 for = his performance.

I owned one at the time and sent it over to his = hotel room along with the Chili Dog to also try out.
After using the = Chili Dog he made me sell him mine..............lol.

that's a = pretty ringing endorsement (especially from someone playing an electric = upright).

The good news:    only $35 or $40 =  USD with the same footprint as a Boss pedal.

I do also = really like the PS-6, especially because of it's versatility, but the = bass sound is not
as good as the Chili Dog, imho.

Rick = Walker




On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Boris Plotnikov = wrote:
Thanks for response. I'm familiar = with MicroPOG and I like it, but I
dislike it's size (yes it's micro, but still bigger than = regular boss
pedal, I have no = enough room in my pedalboard) and I like = extra
features of PS-6 = (detune, s-bend) which MicroPOG lacks while it = have
the same features (octave = lower, octave higher and both together), the
only differences that in microPOG it's possible to change = level of
each tone (dry, oct = down, oct up) while it's impossible with = PS-6.

2011/11/27 andy = butler<akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>:
=
> =  Boris Plotnikov wrote:
>
>>=    I also thought about MicroPOG but it's a bit bigger = in size and have
>>=  no more features except = octaves.
>>
>
>  The MicroPog lower = octave tracks very fast.
>  ...but has it's own = sound you may not like.
>  (the high octave is = delayed a bit...and out of = tune).
>
>  The electro harmonix = Octave Multiplexer only does
>  octave down, and = won't work with chords,
>  but it has by far the = best sound for bass lines.
>
>
> =  andy


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