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Our talented Y2K9 graphic artist, Ted Killian
has designed a beautiful poster and logo for this year's festival.

Because of the time and energy it takes,  we decided not to make 
t-shirts this year.

However,    the party website SPENCERS GIFTS has just announced a sale
that allows one to upload one's own art work,  pick a colored t-shirt 
(or more expensive hoody)
and will make you a custom t-shirt for $20.

They now have a sale where if you purchase before October 31st they will 
give a
$10 discount per order.

That means a full color Y2K9 T-shirt will only cost $10 plus tax and 
shipping.
That's a killer deal.

Anyway,
if you want a commemorative t-shirt

Here's how to do it, easily:

1) Download the Ted's Y2K9 color logo from this URL and store it on your 
desktop by:

*       www.looppool.info/Y2K9_LOGO*

 (copy this logo from here and spell it exactly with capital letters)

1b)  Selecting      *y2k9_logo.jpg*   and right click and chose  'save as'


Then..........

2)  go to this Spencer's Gift URL
_*
*_*http://www.artgun.info/v22a/index.php?s=e&k=spencersonline&b=&c=08b77b96-3731-4c96-8ba0-d1010f0da759*

2)  pick a style of shirt  -    click on it

3)  click a color

4)  click on the YOUR PHOTO icon

5)  then click on UPLOAD YOUR PHOTO   and chose the saved Y2K9 Logo from 
your desktop

and follow the check out orders.      There is a real time CHAT if you 
get confused.

Have fun,  I'm ordering mine tonight.

yours,  Rick Walker

ps I also can provide artwork for past festivals that you've attended if 
you'd like.
I designed t-shirts every year but didn't have time or moolah to make 
them for a few years.

Just let me know.







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Hi folks,

I will be part of an on-line Virtual Sound and=20
Vision festival that will be appearing at a=20
computer screen near you on Sat. Oct 3. The first=20
two acts, and perhaps some others (I am not=20
certain of this) will be using a video that I=20
prepared for this occasion.

You can 'attend' the festival by going to=20
http://vsv.kybermusik.net. Times are in UTC,=20
which is essentially equivalent to GMT< and is 4=20
hours earlier than  Eastern Time,  so the=20
festival starts at 1PM for those of us in the US=20
Eastern Time Zone.

17:00 - Jim Goodin/Ray Istorico - USA/Peter Th=F6rn - Sweden

17:30 - Rainer Straschill "plus" (Moinsound) - Germany

18:00 - David Cooper Orton - United Kingdom

18:30 - Steve Moyes/Agnes Hay - England *

19:00 - Jeff Duke - USA

19:30 - Flying Dream - Spain *

20:00 - Jean-Paul De Roover - Canada

20:30 - Fabio Anile/Xavier Plagaro Mussard - Italy *

21:00 - Matt Stevens - United Kingdom

21:30 Stephen P. Goodman

(acts marked with an asterisk are those including a dedicated video artist).

Special video contribution by Emile Tobenfeld aka Dr T For Your Head
http://www.foryourhead.com/

More festival info at myspace.com/vsvfestival


Special thanks to Rainer Straschill for organizing this event.

-- 
" Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better."  -- Paul Bley

		Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D.
Video Producer			Image Processing Specialist
Video for your HEAD!			Boris FX
http://www.foryourhead.com		http://www.borisfx.com

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Our talented Y2K9 graphic artist, Ted Killian
has designed a beautiful poster and logo for this year's festival.

Because of the time and energy it takes,  we decided not to make 
t-shirts this year.

However,    the party website SPENCERS GIFTS has just announced a sale
that allows one to upload one's own art work,  pick a colored t-shirt 
(or more expensive hoody)
and will make you a custom t-shirt for $20.

They now have a sale where if you purchase before October 31st they will 
give a
$10 discount per order.

That means a full color Y2K9 T-shirt will only cost $10 plus tax and 
shipping.
That's a killer deal.

Anyway,
if you want a commemorative t-shirt

Here's how to do it, easily:

1) Download the Ted's Y2K9 color logo from this URL and store it on your 
desktop by:

*       www.looppool.info/Y2K9_LOGO*

(copy this logo from here and spell it exactly with capital letters)

2)  Selecting      *y2k9_logo.jpg*   and right click and chose  'save as'


Then..........

3)  go to this Spencer's Gift URL
_*
*_*http://www.artgun.info/v22a/index.php?s=e&k=spencersonline&b=&c=08b77b96-3731-4c96-8ba0-d1010f0da759* 


4)  pick a style of shirt  -    click on it

5)  click a color

6)  click on the YOUR PHOTO icon

7)  then click on UPLOAD YOUR PHOTO   and chose the saved Y2K9 Logo from 
your desktop

8) and follow the check out orders.      There is a real time CHAT if 
you get confused.

Have fun,  I'm ordering mine tonight.

yours,  Rick Walker

ps I also can provide artwork for past festivals that you've attended if 
you'd like.
I designed t-shirts every year but didn't have time or moolah to make 
them for a few years.

Just let me know.








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AFTERGLOW ON WMUH:                      http://soundscapes.us/afterglow
=======================================================================
Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am (EDT/GMT-4:00/ITZ-5:00) every
Thursday morning.  Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical
genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock.  Tune in at 91.7
FM or on the internet at http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/WMUH.ram


GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY:                   http://galactictravels.info
=======================================================================
Tonight at 11 pm (EDT/GMT-4:00/ITZ-5:00) on Galactic Travels, I'll
begin a month-long Special Focus on vidnaObmana.  The Featured CD at
Midnight will be "An Opera for Four Fusion Works: Act One - Echoes of
Steel" on Hypnos Records.  For details, see the Special Focus page at:
http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2009/focus.html#oct

Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that
airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and
Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville
and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1
FM.  Listen at http://is.gd/37vNQ on the internet.


THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH:                      http://soundscapes.us/amfm
=======================================================================
My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, October 3 at 6 am
(EDT/GMT-4:00/ITZ-5:00).  I will continue the special on Sequences
Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs in Phase 1.

I alternate hosting the show with Bob. When I am at the helm, the show
features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an
eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive
Rock.

Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at
http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/WMUH.ram

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Thanks, Jeff.
17.00 UTC is 19.00 MEZ (German time), if I understand
it correctly.
Will watch you guys.
Christo
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From: "Jeff Duke" <jeff_d@embarqmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: Virtual Sound and Vision festival update


> hi Chris,
>
> I'll chime in here and direct you to http://www.myspace.com/vsvfestival
> There is a spiffy UTC event clock and a link to a local time conversion
app
> there. These times are in UTC (universal coordinated time)
> Hope ya tune in!
>
> Best,
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christo Jota" <chris@christojota.de>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:27 AM
> Subject: Re: Virtual Sound and Vision festival update
>
>
> > Sounds great. Hope I don´t forget to watch it.
> > Is this the European time schedule?
> > Christo
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rainer Straschill" <moinsound@googlemail.com>
> > To: <loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com>
> > Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 6:22 PM
> > Subject: Virtual Sound and Vision festival update
> >
> >
> > Jeff said:
> >> This Saturday October 3rd is the date for the first ever Virtual Sound
> >> and
> > Vision Festival!
> >
> > and let me add the following:
> > * We've got an impressive lineup for this event.
> > More specifically:
> > 17:00 - Jim Goodin/Ray Istorico/Peter Thörn (USA/Sweden)
> > 17:30 - Rainer Straschill "plus" (Germany)
> > 18:00 - David Cooper Orton (UK)
> > 18:30 - Steve Moyes/Agnes Hay (UK)
> > 19:00 - Jeff Duke (USA)
> > 19:30 - Flying Dream (Spain)
> > 20:00 - Jean-Paul De Roover (Canada)
> > 20:30 - Fabio Anile/Xavier Plagaro Mussard (Italy)
> > 21:00 - Matt Stevens (UK)
> >
> > * As stated, go to vsv.kybermusik.net for listening. All you need is a
> > computer with internet connection. (Free) registration with the
> > ustream service is not required for watching.
> >
> > Yours,
> >
> >           Rainer
> >
> > *** VIRTUAL SOUND AND VISION FESTIVAL - October 3rd, 1700 UTC at
> > vsv.kybermusik.net - visit us at myspace.com/vsvfestival ***
> >
> > ---
> > http://moinlabs.de
> > http://www.myspace.com/moinlabs
> > http://www.twitter.com/moinlabs
> > http://www.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sessions
> > http://vimeo.com/moinlabs
> > http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/straschill/
> >
> >
> >
>

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Looks like it will start at 10:00 am PST for me on the west coast.

On Sep 30, 2009, at 7:05 AM, Jeff Duke wrote:

> I'll chime in here and direct you to http://www.myspace.com/ 
> vsvfestival
> There is a spiffy UTC event clock and a link to a local time  
> conversion app there. These times are in UTC (universal coordinated  
> time)
> Hope ya tune in!

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You know Ted I have trouble with that chart but when the clock says 17:00 on 
the myspace page that's it.

It starts at noon here in Florida and I thought you were 3 hours behind 
me...:)

Jeff


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> Looks like it will start at 10:00 am PST for me on the west coast.
>
> On Sep 30, 2009, at 7:05 AM, Jeff Duke wrote:
>
>> I'll chime in here and direct you to http://www.myspace.com/ vsvfestival
>> There is a spiffy UTC event clock and a link to a local time  conversion 
>> app there. These times are in UTC (universal coordinated  time)
>> Hope ya tune in!
>
> 

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Oh dear, this is starting to worry me! Doesn't it start at 1:00 pm in 
Florida?

Steve

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You know Ted I have trouble with that chart but when the clock says 17:00 on
the myspace page that's it.

It starts at noon here in Florida and I thought you were 3 hours behind
me...:)

Jeff


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> Looks like it will start at 10:00 am PST for me on the west coast.
>
> On Sep 30, 2009, at 7:05 AM, Jeff Duke wrote:
>
>> I'll chime in here and direct you to http://www.myspace.com/ vsvfestival
>> There is a spiffy UTC event clock and a link to a local time  conversion 
>> app there. These times are in UTC (universal coordinated  time)
>> Hope ya tune in!
>
>



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Damnit man! your right. I am so sorry. It is now 1:15 Florida time and the 
UTC clock says 17:15 so you are correct. I will now shut up and play my 
guitar!

Jeff


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> Oh dear, this is starting to worry me! Doesn't it start at 1:00 pm in 
> Florida?
>
> Steve
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jeff Duke" <jeff_d@embarqmail.com>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 5:21 PM
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>
>
> You know Ted I have trouble with that chart but when the clock says 17:00 
> on
> the myspace page that's it.
>
> It starts at noon here in Florida and I thought you were 3 hours behind
> me...:)
>
> Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:27 AM
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>
>
>> Looks like it will start at 10:00 am PST for me on the west coast.
>>
>> On Sep 30, 2009, at 7:05 AM, Jeff Duke wrote:
>>
>>> I'll chime in here and direct you to http://www.myspace.com/ vsvfestival
>>> There is a spiffy UTC event clock and a link to a local time  conversion 
>>> app there. These times are in UTC (universal coordinated  time)
>>> Hope ya tune in!
>>
>>
>
>
>
> 

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Steve [Moyes] just pointed this out as well in response to my promo from
last night, I said 17:00 UTC was 12noon EST and it's 1pm EST, whoops, man d=
o
I hate UTC but 'we're not in Kansas anymore toto'.  I'll revise my various
announcements.

jim

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Jeff Duke <jeff_d@embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Damnit man! your right. I am so sorry. It is now 1:15 Florida time and th=
e
> UTC clock says 17:15 so you are correct. I will now shut up and play my
> guitar!
>
> Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Moyes" <
> stephenmoyes@blueyonder.co.uk>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:49 PM
>
> Subject: Re: Virtual Sound and Vision festival update
>
>
> Oh dear, this is starting to worry me! Doesn't it start at 1:00 pm in
>> Florida?
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Duke" <jeff_d@embarqmail.com>
>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 5:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: Virtual Sound and Vision festival update
>>
>>
>> You know Ted I have trouble with that chart but when the clock says 17:0=
0
>> on
>> the myspace page that's it.
>>
>> It starts at noon here in Florida and I thought you were 3 hours behind
>> me...:)
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "tEd =AE KiLLiAn" <
>> tedkillian@charter.net>
>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:27 AM
>> Subject: Re: Virtual Sound and Vision festival update
>>
>>
>> Looks like it will start at 10:00 am PST for me on the west coast.
>>>
>>> On Sep 30, 2009, at 7:05 AM, Jeff Duke wrote:
>>>
>>> I'll chime in here and direct you to http://www.myspace.com/ vsvfestiva=
l
>>>> There is a spiffy UTC event clock and a link to a local time  conversi=
on
>>>> app there. These times are in UTC (universal coordinated  time)
>>>> Hope ya tune in!
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>


--=20
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www.myspace.com/CtReUse

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www.chinapaintingmusic.com
www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic
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<div>Steve [Moyes] just pointed this out as well in response to my promo fr=
om last night, I said 17:00 UTC was 12noon EST and it&#39;s 1pm EST, whoops=
, man do I hate UTC but &#39;we&#39;re not in Kansas anymore toto&#39;.=A0 =
I&#39;ll revise my various=A0 announcements.</div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>jim<br><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Jeff Duke <span =
dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jeff_d@embarqmail.com">jeff_d@embarqmail.=
com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Damnit man! your right. I am so =
sorry. It is now 1:15 Florida time and the UTC clock says 17:15 so you are =
correct. I will now shut up and play my guitar!<br>
<br>Jeff<br><br><br>----- Original Message ----- From: &quot;Steve Moyes&qu=
ot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stephenmoyes@blueyonder.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">=
stephenmoyes@blueyonder.co.uk</a>&gt;=20
<div class=3D"im"><br>To: &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-del=
ight.com" target=3D"_blank">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a>&gt;<br>=
</div>Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:49 PM=20
<div>
<div></div>
<div class=3D"h5"><br>Subject: Re: Virtual Sound and Vision festival update=
<br><br><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Oh dear, this is starting to wor=
ry me! Doesn&#39;t it start at 1:00 pm in Florida?<br><br>Steve<br><br>----=
- Original Message ----- From: &quot;Jeff Duke&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
jeff_d@embarqmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jeff_d@embarqmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
To: &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" target=3D"_b=
lank">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a>&gt;<br>Sent: Thursday, Octobe=
r 01, 2009 5:21 PM<br>Subject: Re: Virtual Sound and Vision festival update=
<br>
<br><br>You know Ted I have trouble with that chart but when the clock says=
 17:00 on<br>the myspace page that&#39;s it.<br><br>It starts at noon here =
in Florida and I thought you were 3 hours behind<br>me...:)<br><br>Jeff<br>
<br><br>----- Original Message ----- From: &quot;tEd =AE KiLLiAn&quot; &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:tedkillian@charter.net" target=3D"_blank">tedkillian@char=
ter.net</a>&gt;<br>To: &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-deligh=
t.com" target=3D"_blank">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a>&gt;<br>
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:27 AM<br>Subject: Re: Virtual Sound and=
 Vision festival update<br><br><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Looks like it will start at 10:0=
0 am PST for me on the west coast.<br><br>On Sep 30, 2009, at 7:05 AM, Jeff=
 Duke wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">I&#39;ll chime in here and direc=
t you to <a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.m=
yspace.com/</a> vsvfestival<br>
There is a spiffy UTC event clock and a link to a local time =A0conversion =
app there. These times are in UTC (universal coordinated =A0time)<br>Hope y=
a tune in!<br></blockquote><br><br></blockquote><br><br><br><br></blockquot=
e>
<br></div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all">
<div></div><br>-- <br>ReUse, an introspective textural aural<br><a href=3D"=
http://www.myspace.com/CtReUse">www.myspace.com/CtReUse</a><br><br>music li=
nks...<br><a href=3D"http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com">www.jimgoodinmusic.com<=
/a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com">www.chinapaintingmusic.com</a=
><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic">www.myspace.com/jimg=
oodinmusic</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic">www=
.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro">www.myspace.com/j=
imgoodinviolinelectro</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jindream">ww=
w.myspace.com/jindream</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmu=
sic">www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic</a><br>
<br>video work/editing...<br><a href=3D"http://www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigit=
al">www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital</a><br><br>social networking...<br><a hr=
ef=3D"http://www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic">www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic=
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Things are going.
The software isn't Beta yet, but a few people are testing.
The Mathons forum is inactive since it had to be rebuilt after
losing all the posts. (but the email address is live).
As the Mathons software is awaiting re-vitalization 
that's not a worry at the moment.


Anyone wanting to test the loop V software is welcome to ask :-)
What's particularly helpful is if someone wants to try it using
a host other than Bidule, or someone who has a distinctive way
iof using the edp and would like to try the transition to software
from hardware.

Keep in mind though,  testers are asked to give feedback,
and  do tests on software that may well fail to
function in the expected way. 
Please don't treat it as a free software handout.

andy butler


Raul Bonell wrote:
> 
> wonder how things are going with the new loop v software looping plugin.
> is there any beta testers group? i've seen some are using it, but can't 
> find any news on mathons.com <http://mathons.com> nor the forum.
> 
> -- 
> Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
> Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
> 

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Hi gang,=0Aif you were to pick a small compact hardware sequencer than coul=
d work well with the EDP for ex. which one would u pick? not so much for th=
e sounds but to build certain sequences that could control the EDP to do in=
teresting loop arrangements etc.=0A=0Aive been checking this one out:=0A=0A=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DCZEQwedI_Y0&feature=3Dplayer_embedded=0A=
=0Aany opinions? is anybody doing things with hardware sequencers and loope=
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That's it then.  We should all switch to Sidereal time and trash this =
time zone/summertime rubbish once and for all.
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Jim Goodin=20
  To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
  Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 6:22 PM
  Subject: Re: Virtual Sound and Vision festival update


  Steve [Moyes] just pointed this out as well in response to my promo =
from last night, I said 17:00 UTC was 12noon EST and it's 1pm EST, =
whoops, man do I hate UTC but 'we're not in Kansas anymore toto'.  I'll =
revise my various  announcements.

  jim


  On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Jeff Duke <jeff_d@embarqmail.com> =
wrote:

    Damnit man! your right. I am so sorry. It is now 1:15 Florida time =
and the UTC clock says 17:15 so you are correct. I will now shut up and =
play my guitar!

    Jeff


    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Moyes" =
<stephenmoyes@blueyonder.co.uk>=20

    To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>

    Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:49 PM=20

    Subject: Re: Virtual Sound and Vision festival update



      Oh dear, this is starting to worry me! Doesn't it start at 1:00 pm =
in Florida?

      Steve

      ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Duke" =
<jeff_d@embarqmail.com>
      To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
      Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 5:21 PM
      Subject: Re: Virtual Sound and Vision festival update


      You know Ted I have trouble with that chart but when the clock =
says 17:00 on
      the myspace page that's it.

      It starts at noon here in Florida and I thought you were 3 hours =
behind
      me...:)

      Jeff


      ----- Original Message ----- From: "tEd =AE KiLLiAn" =
<tedkillian@charter.net>
      To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
      Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:27 AM
      Subject: Re: Virtual Sound and Vision festival update



        Looks like it will start at 10:00 am PST for me on the west =
coast.

        On Sep 30, 2009, at 7:05 AM, Jeff Duke wrote:


          I'll chime in here and direct you to http://www.myspace.com/ =
vsvfestival
          There is a spiffy UTC event clock and a link to a local time  =
conversion app there. These times are in UTC (universal coordinated  =
time)
          Hope ya tune in!















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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS">That's it then.&nbsp; We =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 01, =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Virtual Sound and =
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  <DIV>Steve [Moyes] just pointed this out as well in response to my =
promo from=20
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  <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Jeff Duke =
<SPAN=20
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    =
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:=20
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    <BLOCKQUOTE=20
    style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; =
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    class=3Dgmail_quote>Oh dear, this is starting to worry me! Doesn't =
it start=20
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-----=20
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      =
target=3D_blank>Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</A>&gt;<BR>Sent:=20
      Thursday, October 01, 2009 5:21 PM<BR>Subject: Re: Virtual Sound =
and=20
      Vision festival update<BR><BR><BR>You know Ted I have trouble with =
that=20
      chart but when the clock says 17:00 on<BR>the myspace page that's=20
      it.<BR><BR>It starts at noon here in Florida and I thought you =
were 3=20
      hours behind<BR>me...:)<BR><BR>Jeff<BR><BR><BR>----- Original =
Message=20
      ----- From: "tEd =AE KiLLiAn" &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:tedkillian@charter.net"=20
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      href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"=20
      =
target=3D_blank>Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</A>&gt;<BR>Sent:=20
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      class=3Dgmail_quote>Looks like it will start at 10:00 am PST for =
me on the=20
        west coast.<BR><BR>On Sep 30, 2009, at 7:05 AM, Jeff Duke =
wrote:<BR><BR>
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vsvfestival<BR>There is a=20
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simeon harris was asking for something similar weeks ago.i think he ended u=
p
with a tiny yamaha from the qy series.


2009/10/1 L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com>

> Hi gang,
> if you were to pick a small compact hardware sequencer than could work we=
ll
> with the EDP for ex. which one would u pick? not so much for the sounds b=
ut
> to build certain sequences that could control the EDP to do interesting l=
oop
> arrangements etc.
>
> ive been checking this one out:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DCZEQwedI_Y0&feature=3Dplayer_embedded
>
> any opinions? is anybody doing things with hardware sequencers and looper=
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> cheers
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simeon harris was asking for something similar weeks ago.<div>i think he en=
ded up with a tiny yamaha from the qy series.</div><div><br><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">2009/10/1 L.Angulo <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:labaloops@yahoo.com">labaloops@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Hi gang,<br>
if you were to pick a small compact hardware sequencer than could work well=
 with the EDP for ex. which one would u pick? not so much for the sounds bu=
t to build certain sequences that could control the EDP to do interesting l=
oop arrangements etc.<br>

<br>
ive been checking this one out:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DCZEQwedI_Y0&amp;feature=3Dplaye=
r_embedded" target=3D"_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DCZEQwedI_Y0&=
amp;feature=3Dplayer_embedded</a><br>
<br>
any opinions? is anybody doing things with hardware sequencers and loopers =
here?<br>
cheers<br>
<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom" target=3D"_blank">www.mysp=
ace.com/luisangulocom</a><br>
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I got to try out the Line 6 M-9 today for the first time and thought I'd
pass along my first impressions. It is simply put, a scaled down M-13, about
the same footprint and weight as a DL-4, with the ability to have 3 effects
and the looper running simultaneously. Each effect is actually 2 different
presets or variations that you can toggle between and the variations can be
any one of the M-9's modeled effects,  which seems to be most everything
Line 6 has modeled effects wise, including distortion and compression
varieties, modulation and filter effects, delays and reverbs. Like the M-13
there are two expression pedal ports, fully assignable to any parameter of
any effect. Unlike the M-13 there is no longer a post/pre toggle switch for
placement of the looper in the chain, this can be done as an edit however.
To get at the looper one has to hold down the tap switch for about 2
seconds, minor inconvenience. Also no effects loop, but its still stereo in
and out. The looper is great with the same specs as the M-13 and the same
functionality length of loop etc, save for the pre/post toggle switch.
People who where interested in the M-13, but wanting to integrate it with
other pedals without taking up such a big footprint might find this
intriguing. Unfortunately it cannot be powered by batteries so it would be a
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this is a pretty sexy beast, though its only $100 cheaper than the M-13 at
$399, its still like having multiple DL-4's or other effects + looper in one
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scaled
down M-13, about the same footprint and weight as a DL-4, with the =
ability to
have 3 effects and the looper running simultaneously. Each effect is =
actually 2
different presets or variations that you can toggle between and the =
variations
can be any one of the M-9&#8217;s modeled effects, &nbsp;which seems to =
be most
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compression varieties, modulation and filter effects, delays and =
reverbs. Like
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parameter
of any effect. Unlike the M-13 there is no longer a post/pre toggle =
switch for
placement of the looper in the chain, this can be done as an edit =
however. To
get at the looper one has to hold down the tap switch for about 2 =
seconds,
minor inconvenience. Also no effects loop, but its still stereo in and =
out. The
looper is great with the same specs as the M-13 and the same =
functionality
length of loop etc, save for the pre/post toggle switch. People who =
where interested
in the M-13, but wanting to integrate it with other pedals without =
taking up
such a big footprint might find this intriguing. Unfortunately it cannot =
be
powered by batteries so it would be a non factor as a busking looper =
unless you
had a power source.. All in all this is a pretty sexy beast, though its =
only $100
cheaper than the M-13 at $399, its still like having multiple =
DL-4&#8217;s or other
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yes, that's the one i decided on...havn't bought one yet though

i did look at the qy-100, but it didn't offer that many more sequencing
features for the price increase

lots of qy-70's around second hand

sim

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:25 PM, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:

> simeon harris was asking for something similar weeks ago.i think he ended
> up with a tiny yamaha from the qy series.
>
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yes, that&#39;s the one i decided on...havn&#39;t bought one yet though<br>=
<br>i did look at the qy-100, but it didn&#39;t offer that many more sequen=
cing features for the price increase<br><br>lots of qy-70&#39;s around seco=
nd hand<br>
<br>sim<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:25 PM, =
Raul Bonell <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.com">=
raul.bonell@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0=
pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
simeon harris was asking for something similar weeks ago.<div>i think he en=
ded up with a tiny yamaha from the qy series.</div><br></blockquote></div>

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Hi there,

I have and use the Yamaha QY100.  It's great with quite a few features.

Jim
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  simeon harris was asking for something similar weeks ago.
  i think he ended up with a tiny yamaha from the qy series.



  2009/10/1 L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com>

    Hi gang,
    if you were to pick a small compact hardware sequencer than could =
work well with the EDP for ex. which one would u pick? not so much for =
the sounds but to build certain sequences that could control the EDP to =
do interesting loop arrangements etc.

    ive been checking this one out:

    =
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DCZEQwedI_Y0&feature=3Dplayer_embedded

    any opinions? is anybody doing things with hardware sequencers and =
loopers here?
    cheers


    www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


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Great idea Stephen! I have as you no doubt are aware of by now made a =
proposel to the vsv council is for just such a change. I even found this =
handy calculator. A stroke of genius on your part. Let's get real with =
Sidereal! :)

Sidereal Time Conversion: http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/sidereal.html
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Stephen Goodman=20
  To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
  Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 3:36 PM
  Subject: Re: Virtual Sound and Vision festival update


  That's it then.  We should all switch to Sidereal time and trash this =
time zone/summertime rubbish once and for all.
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Jim Goodin=20
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
    Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 6:22 PM
    Subject: Re: Virtual Sound and Vision festival update


    Steve [Moyes] just pointed this out as well in response to my promo =
from last night, I said 17:00 UTC was 12noon EST and it's 1pm EST, =
whoops, man do I hate UTC but 'we're not in Kansas anymore toto'.  I'll =
revise my various  announcements.

    jim


    On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Jeff Duke <jeff_d@embarqmail.com> =
wrote:

      Damnit man! your right. I am so sorry. It is now 1:15 Florida time =
and the UTC clock says 17:15 so you are correct. I will now shut up and =
play my guitar!

      Jeff


      ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Moyes" =
<stephenmoyes@blueyonder.co.uk>=20

      To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>

      Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:49 PM=20

      Subject: Re: Virtual Sound and Vision festival update



        Oh dear, this is starting to worry me! Doesn't it start at 1:00 =
pm in Florida?

        Steve

        ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Duke" =
<jeff_d@embarqmail.com>
        To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
        Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 5:21 PM
        Subject: Re: Virtual Sound and Vision festival update


        You know Ted I have trouble with that chart but when the clock =
says 17:00 on
        the myspace page that's it.

        It starts at noon here in Florida and I thought you were 3 hours =
behind
        me...:)

        Jeff


        ----- Original Message ----- From: "tEd =AE KiLLiAn" =
<tedkillian@charter.net>
        To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
        Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:27 AM
        Subject: Re: Virtual Sound and Vision festival update



          Looks like it will start at 10:00 am PST for me on the west =
coast.

          On Sep 30, 2009, at 7:05 AM, Jeff Duke wrote:


            I'll chime in here and direct you to http://www.myspace.com/ =
vsvfestival
            There is a spiffy UTC event clock and a link to a local time =
 conversion app there. These times are in UTC (universal coordinated  =
time)
            Hope ya tune in!















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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Great idea Stephen! I have as you no =
doubt are=20
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change. I=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sidereal Time Conversion: <A=20
href=3D"http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/sidereal.html">http://tycho.usno.navy.=
mil/sidereal.html</A></FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dspgoodman@earthlight.net=20
  href=3D"mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net">Stephen Goodman</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
  title=3DLoopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
  =
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rs-delight.com</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 01, =
2009 3:36=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Virtual Sound and =
Vision=20
  festival update</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" size=3D2>That's it then.&nbsp; We =
should all=20
  switch to Sidereal time and trash this time zone/summertime rubbish =
once and=20
  for all.</FONT></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE=20
  style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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    <DIV=20
    style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=3Djimgoodinmusic@gmail.com =
href=3D"mailto:jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com">Jim=20
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    title=3DLoopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
    =
href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loope=
rs-delight.com</A>=20
    </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 01, =
2009 6:22=20
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Virtual Sound =
and Vision=20
    festival update</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV>Steve [Moyes] just pointed this out as well in response to my =
promo=20
    from last night, I said 17:00 UTC was 12noon EST and it's 1pm EST, =
whoops,=20
    man do I hate UTC but 'we're not in Kansas anymore toto'.&nbsp; I'll =
revise=20
    my various&nbsp; announcements.</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>jim<BR><BR></DIV>
    <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Jeff Duke =
<SPAN=20
    dir=3Dltr>&lt;<A=20
    =
href=3D"mailto:jeff_d@embarqmail.com">jeff_d@embarqmail.com</A>&gt;</SPAN=
>=20
    wrote:<BR>
    <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote=20
    style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: =
#ccc 1px solid">Damnit=20
      man! your right. I am so sorry. It is now 1:15 Florida time and =
the UTC=20
      clock says 17:15 so you are correct. I will now shut up and play =
my=20
      guitar!<BR><BR>Jeff<BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- From: =
"Steve=20
      Moyes" &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:stephenmoyes@blueyonder.co.uk"=20
      target=3D_blank>stephenmoyes@blueyonder.co.uk</A>&gt;=20
      <DIV class=3Dim><BR>To: &lt;<A=20
      href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"=20
      =
target=3D_blank>Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</A>&gt;<BR></DIV>Sent=
:=20
      Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:49 PM=20
      <DIV>
      <DIV></DIV>
      <DIV class=3Dh5><BR>Subject: Re: Virtual Sound and Vision festival =

      update<BR><BR><BR>
      <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote=20
      style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; =
BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Oh=20
        dear, this is starting to worry me! Doesn't it start at 1:00 pm =
in=20
        Florida?<BR><BR>Steve<BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- From: =
"Jeff=20
        Duke" &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:jeff_d@embarqmail.com"=20
        target=3D_blank>jeff_d@embarqmail.com</A>&gt;<BR>To: &lt;<A=20
        href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"=20
        =
target=3D_blank>Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</A>&gt;<BR>Sent:=20
        Thursday, October 01, 2009 5:21 PM<BR>Subject: Re: Virtual Sound =
and=20
        Vision festival update<BR><BR><BR>You know Ted I have trouble =
with that=20
        chart but when the clock says 17:00 on<BR>the myspace page =
that's=20
        it.<BR><BR>It starts at noon here in Florida and I thought you =
were 3=20
        hours behind<BR>me...:)<BR><BR>Jeff<BR><BR><BR>----- Original =
Message=20
        ----- From: "tEd =AE KiLLiAn" &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:tedkillian@charter.net"=20
        target=3D_blank>tedkillian@charter.net</A>&gt;<BR>To: &lt;<A=20
        href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"=20
        =
target=3D_blank>Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</A>&gt;<BR>Sent:=20
        Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:27 AM<BR>Subject: Re: Virtual =
Sound and=20
        Vision festival update<BR><BR><BR>
        <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote=20
        style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; =
BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Looks=20
          like it will start at 10:00 am PST for me on the west =
coast.<BR><BR>On=20
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Oh! Oh! Me, me, me! Pick me!  [He waves his hand wildly in the air.]

I'll test in Logic and Ableton. I had 3 Echoplexes at one point and  
was a lead software quality assurance / tech support / user interface  
guy back in the tech boom. (Who wasn't, right?)

Using Mac only now. I could run through windows virtually but I'm out  
of hard drive space until some video projects are done, so Mac it is.

(You did remember us mac folk, right?)


P.S. Don't skimp on the interface. I'm VERY excited to hear about this  
project.

Much love and respect.


On Oct 1, 2009, at 10:55 AM, andy butler wrote:

> Things are going.
> The software isn't Beta yet, but a few people are testing.
> The Mathons forum is inactive since it had to be rebuilt after
> losing all the posts. (but the email address is live).
> As the Mathons software is awaiting re-vitalization that's not a  
> worry at the moment.
>
>
> Anyone wanting to test the loop V software is welcome to ask :-)
> What's particularly helpful is if someone wants to try it using
> a host other than Bidule, or someone who has a distinctive way
> iof using the edp and would like to try the transition to software
> from hardware.
>
> Keep in mind though,  testers are asked to give feedback,
> and  do tests on software that may well fail to
> function in the expected way. Please don't treat it as a free  
> software handout.
>
> andy butler
>
>
> Raul Bonell wrote:
>> wonder how things are going with the new loop v software looping  
>> plugin.
>> is there any beta testers group? i've seen some are using it, but  
>> can't find any news on mathons.com <http://mathons.com> nor the  
>> forum.
>> -- 
>> Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
>> Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
>

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Heh, it was Arthur C. Clarke's idea.  I just started "3000: A Final =
Odyssey"...
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Jeff Duke=20
  To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
  Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 5:19 AM
  Subject: Re: Virtual Sound and Vision festival update


  Great idea Stephen! I have as you no doubt are aware of by now made a =
proposel to the vsv council is for just such a change. I even found this =
handy calculator. A stroke of genius on your part. Let's get real with =
Sidereal! :)

  Sidereal Time Conversion: http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/sidereal.html
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Stephen Goodman=20
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
    Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 3:36 PM
    Subject: Re: Virtual Sound and Vision festival update


    That's it then.  We should all switch to Sidereal time and trash =
this time zone/summertime rubbish once and for all.
      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: Jim Goodin=20
      To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
      Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 6:22 PM
      Subject: Re: Virtual Sound and Vision festival update


      Steve [Moyes] just pointed this out as well in response to my =
promo from last night, I said 17:00 UTC was 12noon EST and it's 1pm EST, =
whoops, man do I hate UTC but 'we're not in Kansas anymore toto'.  I'll =
revise my various  announcements.

      jim


      On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Jeff Duke <jeff_d@embarqmail.com> =
wrote:

        Damnit man! your right. I am so sorry. It is now 1:15 Florida =
time and the UTC clock says 17:15 so you are correct. I will now shut up =
and play my guitar!

        Jeff


        ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Moyes" =
<stephenmoyes@blueyonder.co.uk>=20

        To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>

        Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:49 PM=20

        Subject: Re: Virtual Sound and Vision festival update



          Oh dear, this is starting to worry me! Doesn't it start at =
1:00 pm in Florida?

          Steve

          ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Duke" =
<jeff_d@embarqmail.com>
          To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
          Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 5:21 PM
          Subject: Re: Virtual Sound and Vision festival update


          You know Ted I have trouble with that chart but when the clock =
says 17:00 on
          the myspace page that's it.

          It starts at noon here in Florida and I thought you were 3 =
hours behind
          me...:)

          Jeff


          ----- Original Message ----- From: "tEd =AE KiLLiAn" =
<tedkillian@charter.net>
          To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
          Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:27 AM
          Subject: Re: Virtual Sound and Vision festival update



            Looks like it will start at 10:00 am PST for me on the west =
coast.

            On Sep 30, 2009, at 7:05 AM, Jeff Duke wrote:


              I'll chime in here and direct you to =
http://www.myspace.com/ vsvfestival
              There is a spiffy UTC event clock and a link to a local =
time  conversion app there. These times are in UTC (universal =
coordinated  time)
              Hope ya tune in!















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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS">Heh, it was Arthur C. Clarke's =
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  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Great idea Stephen! I have as you no =
doubt are=20
  aware of by now made a proposel to the vsv council is for just such a =
change.=20
  I even found this handy calculator. A stroke of genius on your part. =
Let's get=20
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  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Sidereal Time Conversion: <A=20
  =
href=3D"http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/sidereal.html">http://tycho.usno.navy.=
mil/sidereal.html</A></FONT></DIV>
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    <A title=3Dspgoodman@earthlight.net=20
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    </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 01, =
2009 3:36=20
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Virtual Sound =
and Vision=20
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    <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3D"Trebuchet MS">That's it then.&nbsp; We =
should all=20
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once and=20
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      <A title=3Djimgoodinmusic@gmail.com=20
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      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
      title=3DLoopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
      =
href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loope=
rs-delight.com</A>=20
      </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 01, =
2009 6:22=20
      PM</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Virtual Sound =
and Vision=20
      festival update</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV>Steve [Moyes] just pointed this out as well in response to my =
promo=20
      from last night, I said 17:00 UTC was 12noon EST and it's 1pm EST, =
whoops,=20
      man do I hate UTC but 'we're not in Kansas anymore toto'.&nbsp; =
I'll=20
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      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>jim<BR><BR></DIV>
      <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Jeff Duke =
<SPAN=20
      dir=3Dltr>&lt;<A=20
      =
href=3D"mailto:jeff_d@embarqmail.com">jeff_d@embarqmail.com</A>&gt;</SPAN=
>=20
      wrote:<BR>
      <BLOCKQUOTE=20
      style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; =
PADDING-LEFT: 1ex"=20
      class=3Dgmail_quote>Damnit man! your right. I am so sorry. It is =
now 1:15=20
        Florida time and the UTC clock says 17:15 so you are correct. I =
will now=20
        shut up and play my guitar!<BR><BR>Jeff<BR><BR><BR>----- =
Original=20
        Message ----- From: "Steve Moyes" &lt;<A=20
        href=3D"mailto:stephenmoyes@blueyonder.co.uk"=20
        target=3D_blank>stephenmoyes@blueyonder.co.uk</A>&gt;=20
        <DIV class=3Dim><BR>To: &lt;<A=20
        href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"=20
        =
target=3D_blank>Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</A>&gt;<BR></DIV>Sent=
:=20
        Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:49 PM=20
        <DIV>
        <DIV></DIV>
        <DIV class=3Dh5><BR>Subject: Re: Virtual Sound and Vision =
festival=20
        update<BR><BR><BR>
        <BLOCKQUOTE=20
        style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; =
PADDING-LEFT: 1ex"=20
        class=3Dgmail_quote>Oh dear, this is starting to worry me! =
Doesn't it=20
          start at 1:00 pm in Florida?<BR><BR>Steve<BR><BR>----- =
Original=20
          Message ----- From: "Jeff Duke" &lt;<A=20
          href=3D"mailto:jeff_d@embarqmail.com"=20
          target=3D_blank>jeff_d@embarqmail.com</A>&gt;<BR>To: &lt;<A=20
          href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"=20
          =
target=3D_blank>Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</A>&gt;<BR>Sent:=20
          Thursday, October 01, 2009 5:21 PM<BR>Subject: Re: Virtual =
Sound and=20
          Vision festival update<BR><BR><BR>You know Ted I have trouble =
with=20
          that chart but when the clock says 17:00 on<BR>the myspace =
page that's=20
          it.<BR><BR>It starts at noon here in Florida and I thought you =
were 3=20
          hours behind<BR>me...:)<BR><BR>Jeff<BR><BR><BR>----- Original =
Message=20
          ----- From: "tEd =AE KiLLiAn" &lt;<A=20
          href=3D"mailto:tedkillian@charter.net"=20
          target=3D_blank>tedkillian@charter.net</A>&gt;<BR>To: &lt;<A=20
          href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"=20
          =
target=3D_blank>Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</A>&gt;<BR>Sent:=20
          Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:27 AM<BR>Subject: Re: Virtual =
Sound and=20
          Vision festival update<BR><BR><BR>
          <BLOCKQUOTE=20
          style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px =
0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex"=20
          class=3Dgmail_quote>Looks like it will start at 10:00 am PST =
for me on=20
            the west coast.<BR><BR>On Sep 30, 2009, at 7:05 AM, Jeff =
Duke=20
            wrote:<BR><BR>
            <BLOCKQUOTE=20
            style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px =
0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex"=20
            class=3Dgmail_quote>I'll chime in here and direct you to <A=20
              href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/"=20
              target=3D_blank>http://www.myspace.com/</A> =
vsvfestival<BR>There is=20
              a spiffy UTC event clock and a link to a local time=20
              &nbsp;conversion app there. These times are in UTC =
(universal=20
              coordinated &nbsp;time)<BR>Hope ya tune=20
          =
in!<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR=
></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR=20
      clear=3Dall>
      <DIV></DIV><BR>-- <BR>ReUse, an introspective textural aural<BR><A =

      =
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Hello Luis

It is funny that you ask a hardware sequencer for usage with an looper, 
where I went to loopers, because hardware sequencers did not do, what I 
wanted from them.

Does the QY-Series allow changing from record to play mode while it is 
playing. Or switching patterns while in record mode?

Florian

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Hi Gareth
Sorry to be so late in responding, I've been away for a week!
I'd be interested; guitar/DDS-4/DL-8/Jamman, free 
improv/ambient/electronic etc. ex-'Invisible String Quartet' (!) - I know :)
Dave


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From: angela felix <angelafelix2009@excelplux.com>
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Subject: Dear Beloved in Christ
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Hi Florian,=0Awell i know that a few loopers are doing cool things with the=
m but ive never worked with sequencers and loopers together...=0Ai know mos=
t who are doing this are using software like ableton etc. which are probabl=
y way more flexible but at the moment im back to the EDP and want ot explor=
e its midi sync side with something portable compact and hardware based.=0A=
I believe Claude Voit did a whole CD using such method,though i dont know i=
f he does it live,also Zoe is doing prearranged stuff with sequences and lo=
opers live(though i think she uses all software now) kid beyond as well etc=
.=0Aand though im a fan of doing the "open canvas" type of looping i can se=
e the power of that if u want to expand to more complex looping arrangement=
s.=0Acheers=0A=0A=0A=0Awww.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A--- Florian An=
wander <fanwander@mnet-online.de> schrieb am Fr, 2.10.2009:=0A=0A> Von: Flo=
rian Anwander <fanwander@mnet-online.de>=0A> Betreff: Re: compact sequencer=
s=0A> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A> Datum: Freitag, 2. Oktobe=
r 2009, 5:09=0A> Hello Luis=0A> =0A> It is funny that you ask a hardware se=
quencer for usage=0A> with an looper, where I went to loopers, because hard=
ware=0A> sequencers did not do, what I wanted from them.=0A> =0A> Does the =
QY-Series allow changing from record to play mode=0A> while it is playing. =
Or switching patterns while in record=0A> mode?=0A> =0A> Florian=0A> =0A> =
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Hey Luis,

Im using a Boss Dr Groove 202 drum machine for what you ask... The idea
thing about it is that it has a drum machine AND a bassline sequncer.. I
mute the bassline, and program my EDP commands there, which leaves the drum
machine side of it to continue to do drum parts (or in my case clicking and
farting noises.)
It is however a bit of a pig to program, and is stuffed full with (mostely
useless) factory patterns that cannot be over written.. the user section is
NOT its default fire up section... so kind of irritating...

On the other hand, its midi sync is good, and I have it run on AUTO mode,
that means that if it detects midi, it will play, in synch, but if you stop
it, it will play at any speed you want... so I often use it to UNDO a a
super fast rate (i have one patch set up just full of undos) or pitch jumps,
and I run it UN synched OR synched... unsynched is great! cos your loop is
still synched, but will keep having to correct where it is in the loop as it
changes to half speed and back... randomly... nice...

Just a nother suggestion... prob the QY things are better... they certainly
look easier to program..

Mark




On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 1:03 PM, L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi Florian,
> well i know that a few loopers are doing cool things with them but ive
> never worked with sequencers and loopers together...
> i know most who are doing this are using software like ableton etc. which
> are probably way more flexible but at the moment im back to the EDP and want
> ot explore its midi sync side with something portable compact and hardware
> based.
> I believe Claude Voit did a whole CD using such method,though i dont know
> if he does it live,also Zoe is doing prearranged stuff with sequences and
> loopers live(though i think she uses all software now) kid beyond as well
> etc.
> and though im a fan of doing the "open canvas" type of looping i can see
> the power of that if u want to expand to more complex looping arrangements.
> cheers
>
> Mark

OH and Hi Florian! Welcome to LD, I also know your post from the Doepffer
list... I dont have a huge modular, but I have a bit of a mix of Blacet,
Formant and Doepfer, and harvestman.


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Hey Luis, <br><br>Im using a Boss Dr Groove 202 drum machine for what you a=
sk... The idea thing about it is that it has a drum machine AND a bassline =
sequncer.. I mute the bassline, and program my EDP commands there, which le=
aves the drum machine side of it to continue to do drum parts (or in my cas=
e clicking and farting noises.) <br>

It is however a bit of a pig to program, and is stuffed full with (mostely =
useless) factory patterns that cannot be over written.. the user section is=
 NOT its default fire up section... so kind of irritating...<br><br>On the =
other hand, its midi sync is good, and I have it run on AUTO mode, that mea=
ns that if it detects midi, it will play, in synch, but if you stop it, it =
will play at any speed you want... so I often use it to UNDO a a super fast=
 rate (i have one patch set up just full of undos) or pitch jumps, and I ru=
n it UN synched OR synched... unsynched is great! cos your loop is still sy=
nched, but will keep having to correct where it is in the loop as it change=
s to half speed and back... randomly... nice...<br>

<br>Just a nother suggestion... prob the QY things are better... they certa=
inly look easier to program..<br><br>Mark<br><br><br><br><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 1:03 PM, L.Angulo <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com">labaloops@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> =
wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hi Florian,<br>
well i know that a few loopers are doing cool things with them but ive neve=
r worked with sequencers and loopers together...<br>
i know most who are doing this are using software like ableton etc. which a=
re probably way more flexible but at the moment im back to the EDP and want=
 ot explore its midi sync side with something portable compact and hardware=
 based.<br>


I believe Claude Voit did a whole CD using such method,though i dont know i=
f he does it live,also Zoe is doing prearranged stuff with sequences and lo=
opers live(though i think she uses all software now) kid beyond as well etc=
.<br>


and though im a fan of doing the &quot;open canvas&quot; type of looping i =
can see the power of that if u want to expand to more complex looping arran=
gements.<br>
<div class=3D"im">cheers<br>
<br></div></blockquote><div>Mark<br><br>OH and Hi Florian! Welcome to LD, I=
 also know your post from the Doepffer list... I dont have a huge modular, =
but I have a bit of a mix of Blacet, Formant and Doepfer, and harvestman.=
=A0 <br>

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Yeah, Yamaha QYs are great...

Actually, I'd say "were" great. I'd probably go the software road nowadays...

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The virtual sound festival doesn´t work right, I guess.
If I browse the website there´s a video with some
industrial sounds and houses and lights in a city.
I think this is not the live-shows!
Christo
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Jeff said:
> This Saturday October 3rd is the date for the first ever Virtual Sound and
Vision Festival!

and let me add the following:
* We've got an impressive lineup for this event.
More specifically:
17:00 - Jim Goodin/Ray Istorico/Peter Thörn (USA/Sweden)
17:30 - Rainer Straschill "plus" (Germany)
18:00 - David Cooper Orton (UK)
18:30 - Steve Moyes/Agnes Hay (UK)
19:00 - Jeff Duke (USA)
19:30 - Flying Dream (Spain)
20:00 - Jean-Paul De Roover (Canada)
20:30 - Fabio Anile/Xavier Plagaro Mussard (Italy)
21:00 - Matt Stevens (UK)

* As stated, go to vsv.kybermusik.net for listening. All you need is a
computer with internet connection. (Free) registration with the
ustream service is not required for watching.

Yours,

           Rainer

*** VIRTUAL SOUND AND VISION FESTIVAL - October 3rd, 1700 UTC at
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Christo said:

> The virtual sound festival doesn=B4t work right, I guess.
> If I browse the website there=B4s a video with some industrial sounds and=
 houses and lights in a city.
> I think this is not the live-shows!

Judging from the time of your message, that was me making noises with
glassware and my mouth, accompanying Emile Tobenfeld's prepared video.

So yes, it was the live shows.

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!

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/virtual-sound-and-vision-festival

          Rainer

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No, you got the right place.

They are just showing videos by video artists instead of themselves =20
while they play.

The music is creative live. The visual
On Oct 3, 2009, at 10:56 AM, Christo Jota wrote:

> The virtual sound festival doesn=B4t work right, I guess.
> If I browse the website there=B4s a video with some
> industrial sounds and houses and lights in a city.
> I think this is not the live-shows!
> Christo

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Yeah got it now.
Great idea, this virtual festival. Rainer ! Maybe that´s the future of
live-music....!?
At the moment I just hear the sound of Eterogeno but
no video.
Too tired anyway. Have to go to bed. 11 pm in Cologne.
Let me know what was the best performance with guitar related looping.
I´m sure you recorded everything, so I can have a look
at it tomorrow or the next days.
Bye for now.
Christo
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Christo said:

> The virtual sound festival doesn´t work right, I guess.
> If I browse the website there´s a video with some industrial sounds and
houses and lights in a city.
> I think this is not the live-shows!

Judging from the time of your message, that was me making noises with
glassware and my mouth, accompanying Emile Tobenfeld's prepared video.

So yes, it was the live shows.

Now on: Stephen Moyes and Agnes Hays - go watch, that's some odd kinda shit!

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/virtual-sound-and-vision-festival

          Rainer



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The Yamaha QY100 is a nice sequencer, but the engineers missed the followin=
g
bug:
when you program a chord progression in song mode and you ask the sequencer
to loop it, it makes a small stop every time it reaches the last bar of the
progression.

Unfortunately Yamaha has not responded to this with a software update.
If this issue has been addressed, please let me know about it.

On 10/1/09, L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hi gang,
> if you were to pick a small compact hardware sequencer than could work we=
ll
> with the EDP for ex. which one would u pick? not so much for the sounds b=
ut
> to build certain sequences that could control the EDP to do interesting l=
oop
> arrangements etc.
>
> ive been checking this one out:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DCZEQwedI_Y0&feature=3Dplayer_embedded
>
> any opinions? is anybody doing things with hardware sequencers and looper=
s
> here?
> cheers
>
>
> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>
>
> __________________________________________________
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The Yamaha QY100 is a nice sequencer, but the engineers missed the followin=
g bug:<br>when you program a chord progression in song mode and you ask the=
 sequencer to loop it, it makes a small stop every time it reaches the last=
 bar of the progression.<br>
<br>Unfortunately Yamaha has not responded to this with a software update.<=
br>If this issue has been addressed, please let me know about it.<br><br><d=
iv><span class=3D"gmail_quote">On 10/1/09, <b class=3D"gmail_sendername">L.=
Angulo</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com">labaloops@yahoo.com</=
a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left:=
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;">
Hi gang,<br> if you were to pick a small compact hardware sequencer than co=
uld work well with the EDP for ex. which one would u pick? not so much for =
the sounds but to build certain sequences that could control the EDP to do =
interesting loop arrangements etc.<br>
 <br> ive been checking this one out:<br> <br> <a href=3D"http://www.youtub=
e.com/watch?v=3DCZEQwedI_Y0&amp;feature=3Dplayer_embedded">http://www.youtu=
be.com/watch?v=3DCZEQwedI_Y0&amp;feature=3Dplayer_embedded</a><br> <br> any=
 opinions? is anybody doing things with hardware sequencers and loopers her=
e?<br>
 cheers<br> <br> <br> <a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom">www.=
myspace.com/luisangulocom</a><br> <br><br> ________________________________=
__________________<br> Do You Yahoo!?<br> Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail v=
erf=C3=BCgt =C3=BCber einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails.<br>
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Perhaps Paul Lenders of Guitarsystems could help you with this issue:
http://www.paullenders.com

On 9/26/09, Florian Anwander <fanwander@mnet-online.de> wrote:
>
> Hello everybody,
>
> I am new to the list (but lurking already some time), so I may introduce
> myself. My name is Florian Anwander and I live in Munich, Germany. I am
> doing usually live music with vintage keyboards synths and found that
> using loopers is (partially) much easier that using CV/Gate sequencers.
> I have a Lexicon JamMan and since a few days a Electrix Repeater.
>
> Now my todays question regards the Repeater. The powersupply connection
> to my repeater is sometimes a little loose. I cannot tell whether it is
> the socket or the plug, but all in all I'd like to replace it by a more
> solid connector. I thought about a 5 pin XLR connector (I checked
> already the inards and there should be enough space). Also I think about
> replacing the switched powersupply by a linear powersupply (because of
> noise reduction and protection against short power outages on stage).
>
> So my question is: does anyone of you know the pin layout of the power
> supply socket and the rating of the power?
>
>
> All the best, Florian
>
>

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Perhaps Paul Lenders of Guitarsystems could help you with this issue:<br><a=
 href=3D"http://www.paullenders.com">http://www.paullenders.com</a><br><br>=
<div><span class=3D"gmail_quote">On 9/26/09, <b class=3D"gmail_sendername">=
Florian Anwander</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fanwander@mnet-online.de">fanwan=
der@mnet-online.de</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8e=
x; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hello everybody,<br>
<br>
I am new to the list (but lurking already some time), so I may introduce<br=
>
myself. My name is Florian Anwander and I live in Munich, Germany. I am<br>
doing usually live music with vintage keyboards synths and found that<br>
using loopers is (partially) much easier that using CV/Gate sequencers.<br>
I have a Lexicon JamMan and since a few days a Electrix Repeater.<br>
<br>
Now my todays question regards the Repeater. The powersupply connection<br>
to my repeater is sometimes a little loose. I cannot tell whether it is<br>
the socket or the plug, but all in all I&#39;d like to replace it by a more=
<br>
solid connector. I thought about a 5 pin XLR connector (I checked<br>
already the inards and there should be enough space). Also I think about<br=
>
replacing the switched powersupply by a linear powersupply (because of<br>
noise reduction and protection against short power outages on stage).<br>
<br>
So my question is: does anyone of you know the pin layout of the power<br>
supply socket and the rating of the power?<br>
<br>
<br>
All the best, Florian<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br>

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Hi,
This is what I recorded tonight while rehearsing for
http://y2kloopfest.com/ What you here is an excerpt of a 10 minute
soundscape and remixed in Logic (beat). It's a long time ago I did
stuff like this ;-)

http://euroloopfest.com/sjaak/podcast/23_Trance_Soundscape.mp3

-- 
Sjaak Overgaauw
http://premonitionfactory.com/
http://livelooping.be/
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terrific. although if it was me, i would have used a low pass filter on the
drums and had them a bit more in the background...i felt they were
distracting me from all the loopy goodness going on. loved the "edginess" of
it though...i'd like to hear you explore this area a bit more...

sim

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> This is what I recorded tonight while rehearsing for
> http://y2kloopfest.com/ What you here is an excerpt of a 10 minute
> soundscape and remixed in Logic (beat). It's a long time ago I did
> stuff like this ;-)
>
>

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terrific. although if it was me, i would have used a low pass filter on the=
 drums and had them a bit more in the background...i felt they were distrac=
ting me from all the loopy goodness going on. loved the &quot;edginess&quot=
; of it though...i&#39;d like to hear you explore this area a bit more...<b=
r>
<br>sim<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 10:57 PM, =
Sjaak Overgaauw <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tcplugin@gmail.com"=
>tcplugin@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt=
 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi,<br>
This is what I recorded tonight while rehearsing for<br>
<a href=3D"http://y2kloopfest.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://y2kloopfest.co=
m/</a> What you here is an excerpt of a 10 minute<br>
soundscape and remixed in Logic (beat). It&#39;s a long time ago I did<br>
stuff like this ;-)<br><br></blockquote></div>

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On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 12:18 AM, Simeon Harris
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> terrific. although if it was me, i would have used a low pass filter on the
> drums and had them a bit more in the background...i felt they were
> distracting me from all the loopy goodness going on. loved the "edginess" of
> it though...i'd like to hear you explore this area a bit more...

I agree, could be better but I'm mixing here on my headphones and I
don't have a decent set of monitors ;-) Impossible to mix on that! But
fun to do.

-- 
Sjaak Overgaauw
http://premonitionfactory.com/
http://livelooping.be/
http://euroloopfest.com/

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Sounds great, Sjaak! Not optimally mixed yet but you can do that
anytime if finding good speakers and room. I really like the up-front
drums! But the level is flickering too much. The drum kit goes just a
tiny bit too loud now and then - you should keep the level at the
lower level, like 1 to 2 dB under the drum kit's recent peak level.
Also, if you listen to trance that works, there is never a repetitious
musical phrase like your drum part that isn't modulated in slow and
long periods in some kind of minimal manner. Could be the balance
between drums in the kit, just one EQ bell being gradually lowered, a
slow phaser on the hihat.... etc, etc...

Also, since you are mixing this in Logic so you should really take
advance of this software's capabilitiy of letting instruments, sounds
and musical parts interact dynamically in the groove. Very, very small
amounts of side-chained compressors, noise gates, autofilters etc will
bring this piece to life in an amazing way. You can experiment with a
small frequency range from one instrument to dynamically juggle the
level of a reverb return, a track level, a filter cutoff or whatever
part of another track/instrument/effect. Ensemble sounds need to talk
to each other to make music.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com



On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:57 PM, Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> This is what I recorded tonight while rehearsing for
> http://y2kloopfest.com/ What you here is an excerpt of a 10 minute
> soundscape and remixed in Logic (beat). It's a long time ago I did
> stuff like this ;-)
>
> http://euroloopfest.com/sjaak/podcast/23_Trance_Soundscape.mp3
>
> --
> Sjaak Overgaauw
> http://premonitionfactory.com/
> http://livelooping.be/
> http://euroloopfest.com/
>
>

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On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 12:45 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sounds great, Sjaak! Not optimally mixed yet but you can do that
> anytime if finding good speakers and room. I really like the up-front
> drums! But the level is flickering too much.

Thanks Per. You're right, it's a quick, dirty and shitty mix haha :)
I'll see if I can do a proper remix soon and incorporate your tips.
But if anyone is interested, I can send you the .wav, no problem.

I should really go to a Logic course because that's a fantastic piece
of software but I only know 1% of what you can do with it. But my
biggest handicap is knowledge about mixing. That's an art, and
although I have mixed for other bands, it's still isn't easy. For the
cd project I'm working on, I don't have to mix because it will be
2-track to disc live improv stuff. But I'll have that mastered by an
experienced ambient guy ;)

-- 
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http://premonitionfactory.com/
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Listening right now . . . and rather enjoying it.

Looking forward to Y2K9 . . . more for meeting and listening to others  
than performing myself.

See you there,

On Oct 3, 2009, at 2:57 PM, Sjaak Overgaauw wrote:

> Hi,
> This is what I recorded tonight while rehearsing for
> http://y2kloopfest.com/ What you here is an excerpt of a 10 minute
> soundscape and remixed in Logic (beat). It's a long time ago I did
> stuff like this ;-)
>
> http://euroloopfest.com/sjaak/podcast/23_Trance_Soundscape.mp3
>
> -- 
> Sjaak Overgaauw
> http://premonitionfactory.com/
> http://livelooping.be/
> http://euroloopfest.com/

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well I didn't think it was bad.  Loved the music! THe kick could =20
definitely benefit from some MaxxBass or something.  And maybe keep =20
the drums more at one level.  But I didn't think it was annoying at all.

You were talking about this piece:
>> http://euroloopfest.com/sjaak/podcast/23_Trance_Soundscape.mp3
right?

Mixing is so hard.  No matter how long you've been doing it or how =20
snazzy your speakers are, how many plug ins and Fairchilds you have, =20
it just takes time, trial and error and buckets of patience.  I've =20
been mixing one record for almost four months now.  It's all live =20
instruments.  Editing till my eyeballs fall out.  Patience & diligence =20=

are the secret.

When you play at y2K loopfest you can save a lot of headaches on the =20
drum front by just having Rick Walker do the drums!

R
richard sales
www.glasswing.com
www.richardsales.com
www.hayleysales.com

On Oct 3, 2009, at 4:23 PM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wrote:

> Listening right now . . . and rather enjoying it.
>
> Looking forward to Y2K9 . . . more for meeting and listening to =20
> others than performing myself.
>
> See you there,
>
> On Oct 3, 2009, at 2:57 PM, Sjaak Overgaauw wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> This is what I recorded tonight while rehearsing for
>> http://y2kloopfest.com/ What you here is an excerpt of a 10 minute
>> soundscape and remixed in Logic (beat). It's a long time ago I did
>> stuff like this ;-)
>>
>> http://euroloopfest.com/sjaak/podcast/23_Trance_Soundscape.mp3
>>
>> --=20
>> Sjaak Overgaauw
>> http://premonitionfactory.com/
>> http://livelooping.be/
>> http://euroloopfest.com/
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<pre><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; white-space: normal;"><pre><strong><strong><div style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; color: #000000; border-top-width: 0px; border-top-style: initial; border-top-color: initial; text-align: center;"><span class="ecx" style="font-weight: normal; font-size: x-small; color: #444444; font-family: arial; white-space: pre;"><span style="line-height: normal; color: #7f7f7f;"><span style="color: #888888;">Caso n&atilde;o consiga visualizar o e-mail, </span><a title="http://videolog.uol.com.br/video.php?id=484289" href="http://videolog.uol.com.br/video.php?id=484289"><span style="color: #888888;">acesse este link</span></a><span style="color: #888888;">. </span><br /></span></span><br /></div><span style="font-family: Arial;">VOC&Ecirc; EST&Aacute; PREPARADO PARA MUDAR DE VIDA?<br />&nbsp;&nbsp;   SISTEMA INOVADOR... A GRANDE TEND&Ecirc;NCIA DO MOMENTO!</span><br /><br /><span class="ecx" style="word-spacing: 0px; text-transform: none; color: #000000; text-indent: 0px; white-space: normal; letter-spacing: normal; border-collapse: separate;"><span class="ecx" style="font-size: 16px;"><div style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; color: #000000; border-top-width: 0px; border-top-style: initial; border-top-color: initial; text-indent: 0in;"><strong>Voc&ecirc; ganha&nbsp;<span style="color: #ff0000;">R$ 100,00</span>&nbsp;por cada uma das suas duas primeiras indica&ccedil;&otilde;es que tamb&eacute;m servem para lhe qualificar a receber b&ocirc;nus.</strong></div><div style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; color: #000000; text-indent: 0in;"><strong>Voc&ecirc; ganha&nbsp;<span style="color: #ff0000;">R$ 150,00</span>&nbsp;a partir da terceira pessoa ao infinito em lateralidade e profundidade.</strong></div><div style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; color: #000000; text-indent: 0in;"><strong>Voc&ecirc; ganha&nbsp;<span style="color: #ff0000;">R$ 50,00&nbsp;</span>pelos seus indicados indiretos ao infinito.<br /><span style="color: #000000; background-color: #ffff00;">*****&nbsp;<span style="text-decoration: underline;">E MELHOR!!!&nbsp;N&Atilde;O PRECISA&nbsp;VENDER NADA!!!</span>&nbsp;*****<br /><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12px; font-weight: 800; color: #0000ff; white-space: pre;"><span style="color: #000000; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 16px; white-space: normal;"><strong></strong></span></span><br /></span></span></strong></div><div style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; color: #000000; text-indent: 0in;"><strong><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12px; font-weight: 800; color: #0000ff; white-space: pre;"><span style="background-color: #ffffff;">&Eacute; com grande alegria que venho atrav&eacute;s deste email, lhe apresentar o </span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="background-color: #ffffff;">SEGREDO</span></span><span style="background-color: #ffffff;"> que tem percorrido o Brasil,
e j&aacute; alguns pa&iacute;ses, despertando as pessoas para a melhor oportunidade de neg&oacute;cio que existe no momento, onde voc&ecirc; 
ganha dinheiro de forma r&aacute;pida e segura, com um neg&oacute;cio transparente e100% legalizado, sem ter que investir fortunas 
com franquias milion&aacute;rias.

</span></span></span></strong></div></span></span></strong><strong><span style="font-family: Arial;"></span></strong><span style="font-family: Arial;"><strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">Para voc&ecirc; ganhar muito dinheiro nos dias de hoje:</span> 
</strong></span><span><span style="font-weight: normal; color: #000000; white-space: normal;"><strong><span><span style="color: #ff0000;">*&nbsp;</span>Voc&ecirc; n&atilde;o precisa ganhar na loteria;<br /><span style="color: #ff0000;">*&nbsp;</span>Voc&ecirc; n&atilde;o precisa ser pol&iacute;tico;<br /><span style="font-weight: bold; color: #ff0000;">*&nbsp;</span>Voc&ecirc; n&atilde;o precisa participar de nenhum reallity show;<br /><span style="color: #ff0000;">*&nbsp;</span>Voc&ecirc; n&atilde;o precisa ter doutorado ou mestrado, cursado no exterior.<br /></span></strong><span style="font-weight: normal;"><br /></span><strong><span>Voc&ecirc; precisa apenas...&nbsp;<br /></span></strong></span><span style="font-family: Arial; color: #ff0000;"><strong>Conferir o <span style="text-decoration: underline;">SEGREDO</span> de como pessoas simples se tornaram&nbsp;OS EMPRES&Aacute;RIOS BEM SUCEDIDOS 
do S&eacute;culo 21, ficando milion&aacute;rios, tudo por causa de uma GRANDE OPORTUNIDADE na hora certa. 
No v&iacute;deo abaixo temos uma Empresa 100% Brasileira, acompanhando a&nbsp;mesma TEND&Ecirc;NCIA&nbsp; trazida do exterior:</strong></span></span></strong></pre>
<pre><strong><pre><span class="ecx" style="word-spacing: 0px; text-transform: none; color: #000000; text-indent: 0px; white-space: normal; letter-spacing: normal; border-collapse: separate;"><span class="ecx" style="font-size: 12px; font-family: Verdana;"><span><div style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; color: #000000; border-top-width: 0px; border-top-style: initial; border-top-color: initial; margin-top: 2px; margin-right: 4px; margin-bottom: 8px; margin-left: 4px; background-color: #ffffff;"><span class="ecx" style="word-spacing: 0px; text-transform: none; color: #000000; text-indent: 0px; white-space: normal; letter-spacing: normal; border-collapse: separate;"><span class="ecx" style="font-size: 12px; font-family: Verdana;"><a style="color: #0000cc; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial;" title="http://videolog.uol.com.br/video.php?id=484289" href="http://videolog.uol.com.br/video.php?id=484289" target="_blank"><img style="border: 0px initial initial;" src="http://bventture.com/site/adm/gd.php?tam=320&amp;foto=uploader/upload/gd%20copy.jpg" alt="" /></a></span></span><br /></div></span></span></span><span style="background-color: #ffffff;"><span style="color: #0000ff;"><span class="ecx" style="word-spacing: 0px; text-transform: none; color: #000000; text-indent: 0px; white-space: normal; letter-spacing: normal; border-collapse: separate;"><span class="ecx" style="font-size: 12px; font-family: Verdana;"><a href="http://videolog.uol.com.br/video.php?id=484289">http://videolog.uol.com.br/video.php?id=484289</a></span></span></span></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family: Arial;">Com toda certeza, ap&oacute;s assistir este v&iacute;deo, voc&ecirc; voltou a sonhar ! 
Trouxe de volta todos aqueles seus projetos engavetados.
Lembrou que ainda: <em><strong>"&Eacute; Poss&iacute;vel Ser Feliz!"</strong></em>

E &eacute; justamente isso que viemos propor &agrave; voc&ecirc;, uma vida abundante, uma vida pr&oacute;spera onde voc&ecirc; possa mostrar 
que com um trabalho focado e determinado, se pode vencer as barreiras, superar limites e alcan&ccedil;ar tudo aquilo que em l&aacute;grimas voc&ecirc; sempre almejou.
Afinal de contas, &eacute;  em meio a  <em><strong>Crise Econ&ocirc;mica Mundial</strong></em>  que as pessoas ficam mais desorientadas e sem solu&ccedil;&otilde;es de como ir&atilde;o cuidar da sua fam&iacute;lia.<br />Mas &eacute; em meia <strong><em>Crise Mundial </em></strong>que temos em nossas m&atilde;os a melhor Oportunidade de nossas vidas! <em><strong>Afinal qualquer um pode participar!!!
</strong></em>
</span><strong><span style="font-family: Arial;"><span style="color: #ff0000;">Chegou a Sua Hora de Dar a Volta Por Cima!!!</span>
Terei o imenso prazer de lhe auxiliar nesta nova caminhada rumo ao teu sucesso.
</span><em></em></strong><em></em></pre>
<em>
<pre><em><span style="font-family: Arial;"><strong><br />ASSISTA UMA DE NOSSAS CONFER&Ecirc;NCIAS, CLICK NESTE LINK:</strong><br /></span><a style="color: #0000cc; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial;" href="http://www.hotconference.com/software/conference.php?id=80272971ENTRE" target="_blank"><strong><span style="font-family: Arial; color: #0068cf;">http://www.hotconference.com/software/conference.php?id=80272971<br /></span></strong></a><strong><span style="font-family: Arial;">ENTE COMO MEU CONVIDADO NA SALA.  DESTA FORMA: <span style="color: #ff0000;">C- (SEU NOME E ESTADO) / Roberto</span></span></strong></em></pre>
<pre><strong><span style="font-family: Arial;"><em>Atenciosamente,
</em><br /></span><span style="font-family: Arial;">Franqueado Roberto<br /><span style="color: #ff0000;">MSN:</span> <span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="text-decoration: none;"><span style="color: #0000ff;">roberto_bventture@hotmail.com</span></span>  
<strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">Email:</span></strong>  <span style="color: #0000ff;">roberto_manganaro@yahoo.com.br</span><br /></span><span style="color: #ff0000;">Site:</span> </span></strong><a style="color: #0000cc; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial;" title="www.bventture.com/marceloepp" href="http://www.bventture.com/marceloepp" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Arial;"></span></a><span style="font-family: Arial;"><span style="color: #0068cf;"><a style="color: #0000cc; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial;" href="http://www.bventture.com/robertomanganaro" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: xx-large;">www.bventture.com/roberto</span></a><br /></span></span></pre>
<pre><span><strong><span style="color: #974806;">"...e ser&aacute;s aben&ccedil;oado." (Lucas 18:27)</span></strong></span></pre>
<pre><div style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; color: #000000; border-top-width: 0px; border-top-style: initial; border-top-color: initial; text-align: center;"><span class="ecx" style="font-weight: bold; font-size: x-small; color: #999999; font-family: arial;">Respeitamos a sua privacidade e somos contra o spam na rede.</span></div><span class="ecx" style="color: #974806;"><div style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; color: #000000; border-top-width: 0px; border-top-style: initial; border-top-color: initial; text-align: center;"><span class="ecx" style="font-weight: bold; font-size: x-small; color: #999999; font-family: arial;">Se voc&ecirc; n&atilde;o deseja mais receber nossos e-mails, retone este email com a palavra: DELETAR</span></div><div style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: arial; color: #999999;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><br /></span></span></div></span></pre>
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Per Boysen wrote:

> Also, if you listen to trance that works, there is never a repetitious
> musical phrase like your drum part that isn't modulated in slow and
> long periods in some kind of minimal manner. 

hey Per,
I didn't know that, but it's really interesting.

Is this a clue that listener involvement isn't 
helped by exact repetition?

andy butler

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Milo wrote:
> The Yamaha QY100 is a nice sequencer, but the engineers missed the 
> following bug:
> when you program a chord progression in song mode and you ask the 
> sequencer to loop it, it makes a small stop every time it reaches the 
> last bar of the progression.
> 
> Unfortunately Yamaha has not responded to this with a software update.

huh, why would they do that, you already paid  ;-)

> If this issue has been addressed, please let me know about it.

I've come across this phenomena before with Yamaha. (MFC10 Footcontroler).

They have no procedures for dealing with this type of thing.
Tech support is a guy who will read the manual for you.
Not only do you not have a way to report bugs to the
designers, but *he* doesn't either.

Be *very careful* about buying Yamaha gear.


andy butler

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very cool Sjaak! im glad you are putting rhythm on your ambient stuff,perso=
nally i dont think the drums are too loud i would rather just turn down the=
 hihats or even complelty drop them and do some subliminal slow drum modula=
tion(just try different mixes)but thats just my personal perception,very we=
ll done considering you did it with headphones!=0Acheers=0ALuis=0A=0Awww.my=
space.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A--- Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com> sc=
hrieb am Sa, 3.10.2009:=0A=0A> Von: Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com>=0A=
> Betreff: Re: Trancy soundscape=0A> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.co=
m=0A> Datum: Samstag, 3. Oktober 2009, 15:27=0A> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 12:=
18 AM,=0A> Simeon Harris=0A> <simeonharris40@googlemail.com>=0A> wrote:=0A>=
 > terrific. although if it was me, i would have used a=0A> low pass filter=
 on the=0A> > drums and had them a bit more in the background...i=0A> felt =
they were=0A> > distracting me from all the loopy goodness going on.=0A> lo=
ved the "edginess" of=0A> > it though...i'd like to hear you explore this a=
rea a=0A> bit more...=0A> =0A> I agree, could be better but I'm mixing here=
 on my=0A> headphones and I=0A> don't have a decent set of monitors ;-) Imp=
ossible to mix=0A> on that! But=0A> fun to do.=0A> =0A> -- =0A> Sjaak Overg=
aauw=0A> http://premonitionfactory.com/=0A> http://livelooping.be/=0A> http=
://euroloopfest.com/=0A> =0A> =0A=0A=0A      

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Very nice, Sjaak. :-) Some very nice tones.
----- Original Message ----- 
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> Hi,
> This is what I recorded tonight while rehearsing for
> http://y2kloopfest.com/ What you here is an excerpt of a 10 minute
> soundscape and remixed in Logic (beat). It's a long time ago I did
> stuff like this ;-)
> 
> http://euroloopfest.com/sjaak/podcast/23_Trance_Soundscape.mp3
> 
> -- 
> Sjaak Overgaauw
> http://premonitionfactory.com/
> http://livelooping.be/
> http://euroloopfest.com/
>

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> Per Boysen wrote:
>
>> Also, if you listen to trance that works, there is never a repetitious
>> musical phrase like your drum part that isn't modulated in slow and
>> long periods in some kind of minimal manner.

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 12:11 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> hey Per,
> I didn't know that, but it's really interesting.

Ok, then... "rarely" would be a more appropriate word than "never"
;-))  If static repetition is happening in a mix it may often be
accompanied by another sound that adds the subtle modulation part.
After all, a fundamental production technique in trance techno  - I
would almost say the trade mark of the genre -  is to apply subtle
variation of timbre to parts that are musically repetitive.

>
> Is this a clue that listener involvement isn't helped by exact repetition?

I definitely agree with that! Exact repetition is a great component in
music but should not be mistaken for "music". Spend a day out
listening to a pneumatic road work drill engine for a good example: it
might sound cool for a minute but then it starts repelling the
listener's involvement. A shaman drumming session on the other hand is
helping listener's involvement because of the subtle variations in a
repetitive pattern. Does that make sense?

Per

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>
> Exact repetition is a great component in
> music but should not be mistaken for "music". Spend a day out
> listening to a pneumatic road work drill engine for a good example: it
> might sound cool for a minute but then it starts repelling the
> listener's involvement. A shaman drumming session on the other hand is
> helping listener's involvement because of the subtle variations in a
> repetitive pattern. Does that make sense?
>
> Per
>
>
I would have to disagree with that. I see the point of monotony with subtle
variation being interesting, but to say that exact repetition is not music..
well that's a HUGE statement of preference. In Trance that may well be the
case (whatever Trance is now... it USED to be any Techno that was cool, and
psychedelic, but now appears to relate to any Techno that is total rubbish,
but..)

No, one of the things I LIKE about repetition is that it is repetitious!!!
Of course, its interesting because of how a change occurs later, or how the
repetitous peice got there in the first place, but its the fact that the
composer make the listen listen to something for a number of time with NO
change, that makes the change, when it comes, interesting... now if that
repetious phrase is constantly changing and morphing, and modulated, then
its NOT repetitious to the same degree...

An a shamans dumming being interesting after a number hours, i seriously
doubt that, and if it is,  im sure its not because it subtly varies.. no, I
think its because the repetition has put you into a state, where anything is
interesting... even a road drill.


:-))

Mark





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listener&#39;s involvement. A shaman drumming session on the other hand is<=
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repetitive pattern. Does that make sense?<br>
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 point of monotony with subtle variation being interesting, but to say that=
 exact repetition is not music.. well that&#39;s a HUGE statement of prefer=
ence. In Trance that may well be the case (whatever Trance is now... it USE=
D to be any Techno that was cool, and psychedelic, but now appears to relat=
e to any Techno that is total rubbish, but..)<br>


<br>No, one of the things I LIKE about repetition is that it is repetitious=
!!! Of course, its interesting because of how a change occurs later, or how=
 the repetitous peice got there in the first place, but its the fact that t=
he composer make the listen listen to something for a number of time with N=
O change, that makes the change, when it comes, interesting... now if that =
repetious phrase is constantly changing and morphing, and modulated, then i=
ts NOT repetitious to the same degree...<br>


<br>An a shamans dumming being interesting after a number hours, i seriousl=
y doubt that, and if it is,=A0 im sure its not because it subtly varies.. n=
o, I think its because the repetition has put you into a state, where anyth=
ing is interesting... even a road drill.<br>


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Thanx Mark,so you use the EDP mostly as the master yeah? what i was thinkin=
g is using the seq to control the EDP loops for you and trigger certain com=
ands to do complex arrangements while you are just concentrating on playing=
 instead of tap dancing, never done it that way but i am curious how that w=
ould work...=0Awww.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A--- mark francombe <ma=
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 Hey Luis, =0A> =0A> Im using a Boss Dr Groove 202 drum machine for what yo=
u=0A> ask... The idea thing about it is that it has a drum machine=0A> AND =
a bassline sequncer.. I mute the bassline, and program=0A> my EDP commands =
there, which leaves the drum machine side of=0A> it to continue to do drum =
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 however a bit of a pig to program, and is stuffed=0A> full with (mostely u=
seless) factory patterns that cannot be=0A> over written.. the user section=
 is NOT its default fire up=0A> section... so kind of irritating...=0A> =0A=
> On the other hand, its midi sync is good, and I have it run=0A> on AUTO m=
ode, that means that if it detects midi, it will=0A> play, in synch, but if=
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Well thats actually what I do!!! But what I forgot to mention was that I=B4=
m
using 2 EDP=B4s... (Or else you get a midi loop)

Im defining the BPM from one EDP (either by the usual Stomp Stomp, or by
Undo and set BPM Stomp) The EDP is Brother synched to the second EDP... THE=
N
the midi from EDP 1 goes into the drummachine... that has commands
programmed and THAT is plugged into tghe second EDP... So I gererally have
one static/background loop, and one ker-razee edp, thats stopping and
starting and muting and reversing and whatnot.. in time with the first... I
can simpley STOP the drum-machine, and I get normal operation. If Im usoing
the drum sounds of the drum-machine, then I can MUTE the Bassline part of
the Drum-machine (which also mutes the midi commands) and I get normal
operation WITH drum sounds...
If I stop the drum-machine and RE start it, then it starts with its own
BPM..  out of synch, which can be usefull too.

Mark



On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 2:20 PM, L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Thanx Mark,so you use the EDP mostly as the master yeah? what i was
> thinking is using the seq to control the EDP loops for you and trigger
> certain comands to do complex arrangements while you are just concentrati=
ng
> on playing instead of tap dancing, never done it that way but i am curiou=
s
> how that would work...
> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>
>
> --- mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> schrieb am Sa, 3.10.2009:
>
> > Von: mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
> > Betreff: Re: compact sequencers
> > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > Datum: Samstag, 3. Oktober 2009, 6:09
> > Hey Luis,
> >
> > Im using a Boss Dr Groove 202 drum machine for what you
> > ask... The idea thing about it is that it has a drum machine
> > AND a bassline sequncer.. I mute the bassline, and program
> > my EDP commands there, which leaves the drum machine side of
> > it to continue to do drum parts (or in my case clicking and
> > farting noises.)
> >
> >
> > It is however a bit of a pig to program, and is stuffed
> > full with (mostely useless) factory patterns that cannot be
> > over written.. the user section is NOT its default fire up
> > section... so kind of irritating...
> >
> > On the other hand, its midi sync is good, and I have it run
> > on AUTO mode, that means that if it detects midi, it will
> > play, in synch, but if you stop it, it will play at any
> > speed you want... so I often use it to UNDO a a super fast
> > rate (i have one patch set up just full of undos) or pitch
> > jumps, and I run it UN synched OR synched... unsynched is
> > great! cos your loop is still synched, but will keep having
> > to correct where it is in the loop as it changes to half
> > speed and back... randomly... nice...
> >
> >
> >
> > Just a nother suggestion... prob the QY things are
> > better... they certainly look easier to program..
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 1:03 PM,
> > L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi Florian,
> >
> > well i know that a few loopers are doing cool things with
> > them but ive never worked with sequencers and loopers
> > together...
> >
> > i know most who are doing this are using software like
> > ableton etc. which are probably way more flexible but at the
> > moment im back to the EDP and want ot explore its midi sync
> > side with something portable compact and hardware based.
> >
> >
> >
> > I believe Claude Voit did a whole CD using such
> > method,though i dont know if he does it live,also Zoe is
> > doing prearranged stuff with sequences and loopers
> > live(though i think she uses all software now) kid beyond as
> > well etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > and though im a fan of doing the "open canvas"
> > type of looping i can see the power of that if u want to
> > expand to more complex looping arrangements.
> >
> > cheers
> >
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > OH and Hi Florian! Welcome to LD, I also know your post
> > from the Doepffer list... I dont have a huge modular, but I
> > have a bit of a mix of Blacet, Formant and Doepfer, and
> > harvestman.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> >
> >
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Well thats actually what I do!!! But what I forgot to mention was that I=B4=
m using 2 EDP=B4s... (Or else you get a midi loop)<br><br>Im defining the B=
PM from one EDP (either by the usual Stomp Stomp, or by Undo and set BPM St=
omp) The EDP is Brother synched to the second EDP... THEN the midi from EDP=
 1 goes into the drummachine... that has commands programmed and THAT is pl=
ugged into tghe second EDP... So I gererally have one static/background loo=
p, and one ker-razee edp, thats stopping and starting and muting and revers=
ing and whatnot.. in time with the first... I can simpley STOP the drum-mac=
hine, and I get normal operation. If Im usoing the drum sounds of the drum-=
machine, then I can MUTE the Bassline part of the Drum-machine (which also =
mutes the midi commands) and I get normal operation WITH drum sounds... <br=
>

If I stop the drum-machine and RE start it, then it starts with its own BPM=
..=A0 out of synch, which can be usefull too.<br><br>Mark<br><br><br><br><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 2:20 PM, L.Angulo <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com">labaloops@yahoo.com</a>=
&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Thanx Mark,so you=
 use the EDP mostly as the master yeah? what i was thinking is using the se=
q to control the EDP loops for you and trigger certain comands to do comple=
x arrangements while you are just concentrating on playing instead of tap d=
ancing, never done it that way but i am curious how that would work...<br>


<a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom" target=3D"_blank">www.mysp=
ace.com/luisangulocom</a><br>
<br>
<br>
--- mark francombe &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mark@markfrancombe.com">mark@markf=
rancombe.com</a>&gt; schrieb am Sa, 3.10.2009:<br>
<br>
&gt; Von: mark francombe &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mark@markfrancombe.com">mark=
@markfrancombe.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Betreff: Re: compact sequencers<br>
&gt; An: <a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Del=
ight@loopers-delight.com</a><br>
&gt; Datum: Samstag, 3. Oktober 2009, 6:09<br>
&gt; Hey Luis,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Im using a Boss Dr Groove 202 drum machine for what you<br>
&gt; ask... The idea thing about it is that it has a drum machine<br>
&gt; AND a bassline sequncer.. I mute the bassline, and program<br>
&gt; my EDP commands there, which leaves the drum machine side of<br>
&gt; it to continue to do drum parts (or in my case clicking and<br>
&gt; farting noises.)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; It is however a bit of a pig to program, and is stuffed<br>
&gt; full with (mostely useless) factory patterns that cannot be<br>
&gt; over written.. the user section is NOT its default fire up<br>
&gt; section... so kind of irritating...<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On the other hand, its midi sync is good, and I have it run<br>
&gt; on AUTO mode, that means that if it detects midi, it will<br>
&gt; play, in synch, but if you stop it, it will play at any<br>
&gt; speed you want... so I often use it to UNDO a a super fast<br>
&gt; rate (i have one patch set up just full of undos) or pitch<br>
&gt; jumps, and I run it UN synched OR synched... unsynched is<br>
&gt; great! cos your loop is still synched, but will keep having<br>
&gt; to correct where it is in the loop as it changes to half<br>
&gt; speed and back... randomly... nice...<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Just a nother suggestion... prob the QY things are<br>
&gt; better... they certainly look easier to program..<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Mark<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 1:03 PM,<br>
&gt; L.Angulo &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com">labaloops@yahoo.co=
m</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Hi Florian,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; well i know that a few loopers are doing cool things with<br>
&gt; them but ive never worked with sequencers and loopers<br>
&gt; together...<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; i know most who are doing this are using software like<br>
&gt; ableton etc. which are probably way more flexible but at the<br>
&gt; moment im back to the EDP and want ot explore its midi sync<br>
&gt; side with something portable compact and hardware based.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I believe Claude Voit did a whole CD using such<br>
&gt; method,though i dont know if he does it live,also Zoe is<br>
&gt; doing prearranged stuff with sequences and loopers<br>
&gt; live(though i think she uses all software now) kid beyond as<br>
&gt; well etc.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; and though im a fan of doing the &quot;open canvas&quot;<br>
&gt; type of looping i can see the power of that if u want to<br>
&gt; expand to more complex looping arrangements.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; cheers<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Mark<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; OH and Hi Florian! Welcome to LD, I also know your post<br>
&gt; from the Doepffer list... I dont have a huge modular, but I<br>
&gt; have a bit of a mix of Blacet, Formant and Doepfer, and<br>
&gt; harvestman.=A0<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; --<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.markfrancombe.com" target=3D"_blank">www.markfra=
ncombe.com</a><br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://vimeo.com/user825094" target=3D"_blank">http://vimeo=
.com/user825094</a><br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe" target=3D"_blank"=
>http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe" target=3D"_blank">htt=
p://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe</a><br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.looop.no/shop/catlabel.php?q=3DSynch%20Non%20Syn=
ch" target=3D"_blank">http://www.looop.no/shop/catlabel.php?q=3DSynch%20Non=
%20Synch</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><a href=3D"http://www.m=
arkfrancombe.com">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br><a href=3D"http://vimeo.com/=
user825094">http://vimeo.com/user825094</a><br><a href=3D"http://uk.youtube=
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Mobius/cello/guitar virtuoso Steve Moyes live on Ustream now!
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Jeff Duke passed this bog on over at Facebook
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The paradigms for making money in the music business are changing radically
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Amanda Palmer wrote this blog about making money on the internet
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uff brother you are ahead of the game here... this makes me realize that af=
ter 15 years of owning an EDP i still dont know shit about it;-)=0Awell to =
be accurate,13 years of mono EDP,2 about 2 yrs.of stereo,and in between hav=
ing an affair with mobius;-)=0A=0Awww.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A---=
 mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> schrieb am So, 4.10.2009:=0A=0A> V=
on: mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>=0A> Betreff: Re: compact sequen=
cers=0A> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A> Datum: Sonntag, 4. Okt=
ober 2009, 7:23=0A> Well thats actually what I do!!! But what I=0A> forgot =
to mention was that I=B4m using 2 EDP=B4s... (Or else=0A> you get a midi lo=
op)=0A> =0A> Im defining the BPM from one EDP (either by the usual Stomp=0A=
> Stomp, or by Undo and set BPM Stomp) The EDP is Brother=0A> synched to th=
e second EDP... THEN the midi from EDP 1 goes=0A> into the drummachine... t=
hat has commands programmed and=0A> THAT is plugged into tghe second EDP...=
 So I gererally have=0A> one static/background loop, and one ker-razee edp,=
 thats=0A> stopping and starting and muting and reversing and whatnot..=0A>=
 in time with the first... I can simpley STOP the=0A> drum-machine, and I g=
et normal operation. If Im usoing the=0A> drum sounds of the drum-machine, =
then I can MUTE the=0A> Bassline part of the Drum-machine (which also mutes=
 the midi=0A> commands) and I get normal operation WITH drum sounds... =0A>=
 =0A> =0A> If I stop the drum-machine and RE start it, then it starts=0A> w=
ith its own BPM..=A0 out of synch, which can be usefull=0A> too.=0A> =0A> M=
ark=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 2:20 PM,=0A> L.Angulo <labalo=
ops@yahoo.com>=0A> wrote:=0A> =0A> =0A> Thanx Mark,so you use the EDP=0A> m=
ostly as the master yeah? what i was thinking is using the=0A> seq to contr=
ol the EDP loops for you and trigger certain=0A> comands to do complex arra=
ngements while you are just=0A> concentrating on playing instead of tap dan=
cing, never done=0A> it that way but i am curious how that would work...=0A=
> =0A> =0A> =0A> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A>=
 --- mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>=0A> schrieb am Sa, 3.10.2009:=
=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> > Von: mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>=0A> =0A>=
 > Betreff: Re: compact sequencers=0A> =0A> > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-d=
elight.com=0A> =0A> > Datum: Samstag, 3. Oktober 2009, 6:09=0A> =0A> > Hey =
Luis,=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > Im using a Boss Dr Groove 202 drum machine for =
what=0A> you=0A> =0A> > ask... The idea thing about it is that it has a dru=
m=0A> machine=0A> =0A> > AND a bassline sequncer.. I mute the bassline, and=
=0A> program=0A> =0A> > my EDP commands there, which leaves the drum machin=
e=0A> side of=0A> =0A> > it to continue to do drum parts (or in my case=0A>=
 clicking and=0A> =0A> > farting noises.)=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > =
It is however a bit of a pig to program, and is=0A> stuffed=0A> =0A> > full=
 with (mostely useless) factory patterns that=0A> cannot be=0A> =0A> > over=
 written.. the user section is NOT its default=0A> fire up=0A> =0A> > secti=
on... so kind of irritating...=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > On the other hand, its=
 midi sync is good, and I have=0A> it run=0A> =0A> > on AUTO mode, that mea=
ns that if it detects midi, it=0A> will=0A> =0A> > play, in synch, but if y=
ou stop it, it will play at=0A> any=0A> =0A> > speed you want... so I often=
 use it to UNDO a a super=0A> fast=0A> =0A> > rate (i have one patch set up=
 just full of undos) or=0A> pitch=0A> =0A> > jumps, and I run it UN synched=
 OR synched... unsynched=0A> is=0A> =0A> > great! cos your loop is still sy=
nched, but will keep=0A> having=0A> =0A> > to correct where it is in the lo=
op as it changes to=0A> half=0A> =0A> > speed and back... randomly... nice.=
..=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > Just a nother suggestion... =
prob the QY things are=0A> =0A> > better... they certainly look easier to p=
rogram..=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > Mark=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =
=0A> >=0A> =0A> > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 1:03 PM,=0A> =0A> > L.Angulo <laba=
loops@yahoo.com>=0A> =0A> > wrote:=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > Hi Flor=
ian,=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > well i know that a few loopers are doing cool th=
ings=0A> with=0A> =0A> > them but ive never worked with sequencers and loop=
ers=0A> =0A> > together...=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > i know most who are doing =
this are using software=0A> like=0A> =0A> > ableton etc. which are probably=
 way more flexible but=0A> at the=0A> =0A> > moment im back to the EDP and =
want ot explore its midi=0A> sync=0A> =0A> > side with something portable c=
ompact and hardware=0A> based.=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > =
I believe Claude Voit did a whole CD using such=0A> =0A> > method,though i =
dont know if he does it live,also Zoe=0A> is=0A> =0A> > doing prearranged s=
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> =0A> > expand to more complex looping arrangements.=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=
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Hi Florian! Welcome to LD, I also know your=0A> post=0A> =0A> > from the Do=
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Very, very good post.

I've been struggling with the issue, since as a consumer of music I find I'm
purchasing a lot less music these days. For instance, I've been enjoying
Pandora, and I don't really play albums of a specific artist like I used to.
I like being surprised, and I've discovered a lot of music I like. Maybe my
favorite Pandora discovery is an English jazz-funk band called "Down to the
Bone."

I figured I ought to buy something since I liked them so much, so I ordered
a t shirt, and I ended up having a nice email exchange with the front man
Stuart Wade.

Had he asked me for a donation, I would have happily provided one.

I used to easily drop a couple hundred dollars a month on cds, and yet right
now I couldn't honestly tell you the last cd I bought. I'll try to buy
shirts and stuff, but I have no problem with donations. Makes a lot of sense
to me. I don't mind being a patron of the arts.

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:50 AM, <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

> Jeff Duke passed this bog on over at Facebook
> and I thought it was really right on and inspirational.
>
> The paradigms for making money in the music business are changing radically
> and overnight.   Five years ago,  I was able to live off of my CD income
> and the gigs it also got me,  but that time seems to have ended.  What's
> next?
>
> Amanda Palmer wrote this blog about making money on the internet
> and the attitudes of people she encounters who don't appreciate her efforts
> at staying financially stable as an artist.
>
>
> http://blog.amandapalmer.net/post/200582690/why-i-am-not-afraid-to-take-your-money-by-amanda
>
>
>
>


-- 
Art Simon
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Very, very good post.<br><br>I&#39;ve been struggling with the issue, since=
 as a consumer of music I find I&#39;m purchasing a lot less music these da=
ys. For instance, I&#39;ve been enjoying Pandora, and I don&#39;t really pl=
ay albums of a specific artist like I used to. I like being surprised, and =
I&#39;ve discovered a lot of music I like. Maybe my favorite Pandora discov=
ery is an English jazz-funk band called &quot;Down to the Bone.&quot; <br>
<br>I figured I ought to buy something since I liked them so much, so I ord=
ered a t shirt, and I ended up having a nice email exchange with the front =
man Stuart Wade.<br><br>Had he asked me for a donation, I would have happil=
y provided one.<br>
<br>I used to easily drop a couple hundred dollars a month on cds, and yet =
right now I couldn&#39;t honestly tell you the last cd I bought. I&#39;ll t=
ry to buy shirts and stuff, but I have no problem with donations. Makes a l=
ot of sense to me. I don&#39;t mind being a patron of the arts.<br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:50 AM,  <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:looppool@cruzio.com">looppool@cruzio.com</a>=
&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-lef=
t: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1=
ex;">
Jeff Duke passed this bog on over at Facebook<br>
and I thought it was really right on and inspirational.<br>
<br>
The paradigms for making money in the music business are changing radically=
<br>
and overnight. =A0 Five years ago, =A0I was able to live off of my CD incom=
e<br>
and the gigs it also got me, =A0but that time seems to have ended. =A0What&=
#39;s<br>
next?<br>
<br>
Amanda Palmer wrote this blog about making money on the internet<br>
and the attitudes of people she encounters who don&#39;t appreciate her eff=
orts<br>
at staying financially stable as an artist.<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://blog.amandapalmer.net/post/200582690/why-i-am-not-afraid-=
to-take-your-money-by-amanda" target=3D"_blank">http://blog.amandapalmer.ne=
t/post/200582690/why-i-am-not-afraid-to-take-your-money-by-amanda</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Art Simon<br><a href=3D=
"mailto:simart@gmail.com">simart@gmail.com</a><br>myspace [dot] com/artsimo=
n<br>

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Heh heh, hardly mate.. everything i do now, has been well explored by Per,
Claude, Andy and the Walker Bros, to touch the tip of the berg...

 sorry for old post, but heres what ti sounds like... you can hear one edp
(or is it repeater) and one drum-machine triggered loop in EDP... and a fil=
m
of my wife and kid in the forest here in Norway!

http://vimeo.com/1928756

mark...



On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 8:54 PM, L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:

> uff brother you are ahead of the game here... this makes me realize that
> after 15 years of owning an EDP i still dont know shit about it;-)
> well to be accurate,13 years of mono EDP,2 about 2 yrs.of stereo,and in
> between having an affair with mobius;-)
>
> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>
>
> --- mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> schrieb am So, 4.10.2009:
>
> > Von: mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
> > Betreff: Re: compact sequencers
> > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > Datum: Sonntag, 4. Oktober 2009, 7:23
> > Well thats actually what I do!!! But what I
> > forgot to mention was that I=B4m using 2 EDP=B4s... (Or else
> > you get a midi loop)
> >
> > Im defining the BPM from one EDP (either by the usual Stomp
> > Stomp, or by Undo and set BPM Stomp) The EDP is Brother
> > synched to the second EDP... THEN the midi from EDP 1 goes
> > into the drummachine... that has commands programmed and
> > THAT is plugged into tghe second EDP... So I gererally have
> > one static/background loop, and one ker-razee edp, thats
> > stopping and starting and muting and reversing and whatnot..
> > in time with the first... I can simpley STOP the
> > drum-machine, and I get normal operation. If Im usoing the
> > drum sounds of the drum-machine, then I can MUTE the
> > Bassline part of the Drum-machine (which also mutes the midi
> > commands) and I get normal operation WITH drum sounds...
> >
> >
> > If I stop the drum-machine and RE start it, then it starts
> > with its own BPM..  out of synch, which can be usefull
> > too.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 2:20 PM,
> > L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Thanx Mark,so you use the EDP
> > mostly as the master yeah? what i was thinking is using the
> > seq to control the EDP loops for you and trigger certain
> > comands to do complex arrangements while you are just
> > concentrating on playing instead of tap dancing, never done
> > it that way but i am curious how that would work...
> >
> >
> >
> > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
> > schrieb am Sa, 3.10.2009:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Von: mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
> >
> > > Betreff: Re: compact sequencers
> >
> > > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >
> > > Datum: Samstag, 3. Oktober 2009, 6:09
> >
> > > Hey Luis,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Im using a Boss Dr Groove 202 drum machine for what
> > you
> >
> > > ask... The idea thing about it is that it has a drum
> > machine
> >
> > > AND a bassline sequncer.. I mute the bassline, and
> > program
> >
> > > my EDP commands there, which leaves the drum machine
> > side of
> >
> > > it to continue to do drum parts (or in my case
> > clicking and
> >
> > > farting noises.)
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > It is however a bit of a pig to program, and is
> > stuffed
> >
> > > full with (mostely useless) factory patterns that
> > cannot be
> >
> > > over written.. the user section is NOT its default
> > fire up
> >
> > > section... so kind of irritating...
> >
> > >
> >
> > > On the other hand, its midi sync is good, and I have
> > it run
> >
> > > on AUTO mode, that means that if it detects midi, it
> > will
> >
> > > play, in synch, but if you stop it, it will play at
> > any
> >
> > > speed you want... so I often use it to UNDO a a super
> > fast
> >
> > > rate (i have one patch set up just full of undos) or
> > pitch
> >
> > > jumps, and I run it UN synched OR synched... unsynched
> > is
> >
> > > great! cos your loop is still synched, but will keep
> > having
> >
> > > to correct where it is in the loop as it changes to
> > half
> >
> > > speed and back... randomly... nice...
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Just a nother suggestion... prob the QY things are
> >
> > > better... they certainly look easier to program..
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Mark
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 1:03 PM,
> >
> > > L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com>
> >
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Hi Florian,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > well i know that a few loopers are doing cool things
> > with
> >
> > > them but ive never worked with sequencers and loopers
> >
> > > together...
> >
> > >
> >
> > > i know most who are doing this are using software
> > like
> >
> > > ableton etc. which are probably way more flexible but
> > at the
> >
> > > moment im back to the EDP and want ot explore its midi
> > sync
> >
> > > side with something portable compact and hardware
> > based.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I believe Claude Voit did a whole CD using such
> >
> > > method,though i dont know if he does it live,also Zoe
> > is
> >
> > > doing prearranged stuff with sequences and loopers
> >
> > > live(though i think she uses all software now) kid
> > beyond as
> >
> > > well etc.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > and though im a fan of doing the "open
> > canvas"
> >
> > > type of looping i can see the power of that if u want
> > to
> >
> > > expand to more complex looping arrangements.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > cheers
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Mark
> >
> > >
> >
> > > OH and Hi Florian! Welcome to LD, I also know your
> > post
> >
> > > from the Doepffer list... I dont have a huge modular,
> > but I
> >
> > > have a bit of a mix of Blacet, Formant and Doepfer,
> > and
> >
> > > harvestman.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > --
> >
> > > www.markfrancombe.com
> >
> > > http://vimeo.com/user825094
> >
> > > http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe
> >
> > > http://www.looop.no/shop/catlabel.php?q=3DSynch%20Non%20Synch
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > www.markfrancombe.com
> > http://vimeo.com/user825094
> > http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
> >
> >
> > http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe
> > http://www.looop.no/shop/catlabel.php?q=3DSynch%20Non%20Synch
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>


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Heh heh, hardly mate.. everything i do now, has been well explored by Per, =
Claude, Andy and the Walker Bros, to touch the tip of the berg...<br><br>=
=A0sorry for old post, but heres what ti sounds like... you can hear one ed=
p (or is it repeater) and one drum-machine triggered loop in EDP... and a f=
ilm of my wife and kid in the forest here in Norway!<br>

<br><a href=3D"http://vimeo.com/1928756">http://vimeo.com/1928756</a><br><b=
r>mark...<br><br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at =
8:54 PM, L.Angulo <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:labaloops@yahoo.c=
om">labaloops@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">uff brother you a=
re ahead of the game here... this makes me realize that after 15 years of o=
wning an EDP i still dont know shit about it;-)<br>


well to be accurate,13 years of mono EDP,2 about 2 yrs.of stereo,and in bet=
ween having an affair with mobius;-)<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom" target=3D"_blank">www.mysp=
ace.com/luisangulocom</a><br>
<br>
<br>
--- mark francombe &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mark@markfrancombe.com">mark@markf=
rancombe.com</a>&gt; schrieb am So, 4.10.2009:<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
&gt; Von: mark francombe &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mark@markfrancombe.com">mark=
@markfrancombe.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Betreff: Re: compact sequencers<br>
&gt; An: <a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Del=
ight@loopers-delight.com</a><br>
</div>&gt; Datum: Sonntag, 4. Oktober 2009, 7:23<br>
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">&gt; Well thats actually what I do!!! But=
 what I<br>
&gt; forgot to mention was that I=B4m using 2 EDP=B4s... (Or else<br>
&gt; you get a midi loop)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Im defining the BPM from one EDP (either by the usual Stomp<br>
&gt; Stomp, or by Undo and set BPM Stomp) The EDP is Brother<br>
&gt; synched to the second EDP... THEN the midi from EDP 1 goes<br>
&gt; into the drummachine... that has commands programmed and<br>
&gt; THAT is plugged into tghe second EDP... So I gererally have<br>
&gt; one static/background loop, and one ker-razee edp, thats<br>
&gt; stopping and starting and muting and reversing and whatnot..<br>
&gt; in time with the first... I can simpley STOP the<br>
&gt; drum-machine, and I get normal operation. If Im usoing the<br>
&gt; drum sounds of the drum-machine, then I can MUTE the<br>
&gt; Bassline part of the Drum-machine (which also mutes the midi<br>
&gt; commands) and I get normal operation WITH drum sounds...<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; If I stop the drum-machine and RE start it, then it starts<br>
&gt; with its own BPM..=A0 out of synch, which can be usefull<br>
&gt; too.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Mark<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 2:20 PM,<br>
&gt; L.Angulo &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com">labaloops@yahoo.co=
m</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thanx Mark,so you use the EDP<br>
&gt; mostly as the master yeah? what i was thinking is using the<br>
&gt; seq to control the EDP loops for you and trigger certain<br>
&gt; comands to do complex arrangements while you are just<br>
&gt; concentrating on playing instead of tap dancing, never done<br>
&gt; it that way but i am curious how that would work...<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom" target=3D"_blank">www=
.myspace.com/luisangulocom</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; --- mark francombe &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mark@markfrancombe.com">mark@=
markfrancombe.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; schrieb am Sa, 3.10.2009:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Von: mark francombe &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mark@markfrancombe.com"=
>mark@markfrancombe.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Betreff: Re: compact sequencers<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; An: <a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Looper=
s-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Datum: Samstag, 3. Oktober 2009, 6:09<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Hey Luis,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Im using a Boss Dr Groove 202 drum machine for what<br>
&gt; you<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; ask... The idea thing about it is that it has a drum<br>
&gt; machine<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; AND a bassline sequncer.. I mute the bassline, and<br>
&gt; program<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; my EDP commands there, which leaves the drum machine<br>
&gt; side of<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; it to continue to do drum parts (or in my case<br>
&gt; clicking and<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; farting noises.)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; It is however a bit of a pig to program, and is<br>
&gt; stuffed<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; full with (mostely useless) factory patterns that<br>
&gt; cannot be<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; over written.. the user section is NOT its default<br>
&gt; fire up<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; section... so kind of irritating...<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; On the other hand, its midi sync is good, and I have<br>
&gt; it run<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; on AUTO mode, that means that if it detects midi, it<br>
&gt; will<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; play, in synch, but if you stop it, it will play at<br>
&gt; any<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; speed you want... so I often use it to UNDO a a super<br>
&gt; fast<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; rate (i have one patch set up just full of undos) or<br>
&gt; pitch<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; jumps, and I run it UN synched OR synched... unsynched<br>
&gt; is<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; great! cos your loop is still synched, but will keep<br>
&gt; having<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; to correct where it is in the loop as it changes to<br>
&gt; half<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; speed and back... randomly... nice...<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Just a nother suggestion... prob the QY things are<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; better... they certainly look easier to program..<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Mark<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 1:03 PM,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; L.Angulo &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com">labaloops@yah=
oo.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Hi Florian,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; well i know that a few loopers are doing cool things<br>
&gt; with<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; them but ive never worked with sequencers and loopers<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; together...<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; i know most who are doing this are using software<br>
&gt; like<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; ableton etc. which are probably way more flexible but<br>
&gt; at the<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; moment im back to the EDP and want ot explore its midi<br>
&gt; sync<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; side with something portable compact and hardware<br>
&gt; based.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; I believe Claude Voit did a whole CD using such<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; method,though i dont know if he does it live,also Zoe<br>
&gt; is<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; doing prearranged stuff with sequences and loopers<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; live(though i think she uses all software now) kid<br>
&gt; beyond as<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; well etc.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; and though im a fan of doing the &quot;open<br>
&gt; canvas&quot;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; type of looping i can see the power of that if u want<br>
&gt; to<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; expand to more complex looping arrangements.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; cheers<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Mark<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; OH and Hi Florian! Welcome to LD, I also know your<br>
&gt; post<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; from the Doepffer list... I dont have a huge modular,<br>
&gt; but I<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; have a bit of a mix of Blacet, Formant and Doepfer,<br>
&gt; and<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; harvestman.=A0<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; --<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"http://www.markfrancombe.com" target=3D"_blank">www.ma=
rkfrancombe.com</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"http://vimeo.com/user825094" target=3D"_blank">http://=
vimeo.com/user825094</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe" target=3D"_b=
lank">http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe" target=3D"_blank=
">http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"http://www.looop.no/shop/catlabel.php?q=3DSynch%20Non%=
20Synch" target=3D"_blank">http://www.looop.no/shop/catlabel.php?q=3DSynch%=
20Non%20Synch</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; --<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.markfrancombe.com" target=3D"_blank">www.markfra=
ncombe.com</a><br>
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.com/user825094</a><br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe" target=3D"_blank"=
>http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe</a><br>
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hey hey dont say that, you still know something they dont know=0Aevrybody k=
icks the same ball different;-)=0Awww.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A---=
 mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> schrieb am So, 4.10.2009:=0A=0A> V=
on: mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>=0A> Betreff: Re: compact sequen=
cers=0A> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A> Datum: Sonntag, 4. Okt=
ober 2009, 13:28=0A> Heh heh, hardly mate.. everything i do now,=0A> has be=
en well explored by Per, Claude, Andy and the Walker=0A> Bros, to touch the=
 tip of the berg...=0A> =0A> =A0sorry for old post, but heres what ti sound=
s like... you=0A> can hear one edp (or is it repeater) and one drum-machine=
=0A> triggered loop in EDP... and a film of my wife and kid in=0A> the fore=
st here in Norway!=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> http://vimeo.com/1928756=0A> =0A> mar=
k...=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 8:54 PM,=0A> L.Angulo <labal=
oops@yahoo.com>=0A> wrote:=0A> =0A> =0A> uff brother you are ahead of the=
=0A> game here... this makes me realize that after 15 years of=0A> owning a=
n EDP i still dont know shit about it;-)=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> well to be accu=
rate,13 years of mono EDP,2 about 2 yrs.of=0A> stereo,and in between having=
 an affair with mobius;-)=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom=
=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> --- mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>=
=0A> schrieb am So, 4.10.2009:=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> > Von: mark francombe <ma=
rk@markfrancombe.com>=0A> =0A> > Betreff: Re: compact sequencers=0A> =0A> >=
 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A> =0A> > Datum: Sonntag, 4. Okto=
ber 2009, 7:23=0A> =0A> > Well thats actually=0A> what I do!!! But what I=
=0A> =0A> > forgot to mention was that I=B4m using 2 EDP=B4s... (Or=0A> els=
e=0A> =0A> > you get a midi loop)=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > Im defining the BPM=
 from one EDP (either by the usual=0A> Stomp=0A> =0A> > Stomp, or by Undo a=
nd set BPM Stomp) The EDP is=0A> Brother=0A> =0A> > synched to the second E=
DP... THEN the midi from EDP 1=0A> goes=0A> =0A> > into the drummachine... =
that has commands programmed=0A> and=0A> =0A> > THAT is plugged into tghe s=
econd EDP... So I gererally=0A> have=0A> =0A> > one static/background loop,=
 and one ker-razee edp,=0A> thats=0A> =0A> > stopping and starting and muti=
ng and reversing and=0A> whatnot..=0A> =0A> > in time with the first... I c=
an simpley STOP the=0A> =0A> > drum-machine, and I get normal operation. If=
 Im usoing=0A> the=0A> =0A> > drum sounds of the drum-machine, then I can M=
UTE the=0A> =0A> > Bassline part of the Drum-machine (which also mutes=0A> =
the midi=0A> =0A> > commands) and I get normal operation WITH drum=0A> soun=
ds...=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > If I stop the drum-machine and RE st=
art it, then it=0A> starts=0A> =0A> > with its own BPM..=A0 out of synch, w=
hich can be=0A> usefull=0A> =0A> > too.=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > Mark=0A> =0A>=
 >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 2:20 PM,=0A> =0A=
> > L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com>=0A> =0A> > wrote:=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=
=0A> =0A> > Thanx Mark,so you use the EDP=0A> =0A> > mostly as the master y=
eah? what i was thinking is=0A> using the=0A> =0A> > seq to control the EDP=
 loops for you and trigger=0A> certain=0A> =0A> > comands to do complex arr=
angements while you are just=0A> =0A> > concentrating on playing instead of=
 tap dancing, never=0A> done=0A> =0A> > it that way but i am curious how th=
at would work...=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > www.myspace.co=
m/luisangulocom=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =
=0A> > --- mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>=0A> =0A> > schrieb am Sa=
, 3.10.2009:=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > > Von: mark franco=
mbe <mark@markfrancombe.com>=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > > Betreff: Re: compact s=
equencers=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=
=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > > Datum: Samstag, 3. Oktober 2009, 6:09=0A> =0A> >=
=0A> =0A> > > Hey Luis,=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > > Im =
using a Boss Dr Groove 202 drum machine for=0A> what=0A> =0A> > you=0A> =0A=
> >=0A> =0A> > > ask... The idea thing about it is that it has a=0A> drum=
=0A> =0A> > machine=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > > AND a bassline sequncer.. I mut=
e the bassline,=0A> and=0A> =0A> > program=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > > my EDP c=
ommands there, which leaves the drum=0A> machine=0A> =0A> > side of=0A> =0A=
> >=0A> =0A> > > it to continue to do drum parts (or in my case=0A> =0A> > =
clicking and=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > > farting noises.)=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=
 >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > > It is however a bit of a=
 pig to program, and is=0A> =0A> > stuffed=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > > full wit=
h (mostely useless) factory patterns=0A> that=0A> =0A> > cannot be=0A> =0A>=
 >=0A> =0A> > > over written.. the user section is NOT its=0A> default=0A> =
=0A> > fire up=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > > section... so kind of irritating...=
=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > > On the other hand, its mid=
i sync is good, and I=0A> have=0A> =0A> > it run=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > > on=
 AUTO mode, that means that if it detects midi,=0A> it=0A> =0A> > will=0A> =
=0A> >=0A> =0A> > > play, in synch, but if you stop it, it will play=0A> at=
=0A> =0A> > any=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > > speed you want... so I often use it=
 to UNDO a a=0A> super=0A> =0A> > fast=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > > rate (i have=
 one patch set up just full of undos)=0A> or=0A> =0A> > pitch=0A> =0A> >=0A=
> =0A> > > jumps, and I run it UN synched OR synched...=0A> unsynched=0A> =
=0A> > is=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > > great! cos your loop is still synched, bu=
t will=0A> keep=0A> =0A> > having=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > > to correct where =
it is in the loop as it changes=0A> to=0A> =0A> > half=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> =
> > speed and back... randomly... nice...=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > >=0A> =0A> =
>=0A> =0A> > >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > > Just a nothe=
r suggestion... prob the QY things=0A> are=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > > better..=
. they certainly look easier to=0A> program..=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > >=0A> =
=0A> >=0A> =0A> > > Mark=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > >=0A=
> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > > On Sa=
t, Oct 3, 2009 at 1:03 PM,=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > > L.Angulo <labaloops@yaho=
o.com>=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > > wrote:=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > >=0A> =0A> >=0A=
> =0A> > >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > > Hi Florian,=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > >=0A> =
=0A> >=0A> =0A> > > well i know that a few loopers are doing cool=0A> thing=
s=0A> =0A> > with=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > > them but ive never worked with se=
quencers and=0A> loopers=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > > together...=0A> =0A> >=0A>=
 =0A> > >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > > i know most who are doing this are using=
=0A> software=0A> =0A> > like=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > > ableton etc. which ar=
e probably way more flexible=0A> but=0A> =0A> > at the=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> =
> > moment im back to the EDP and want ot explore its=0A> midi=0A> =0A> > s=
ync=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > > side with something portable compact and=0A> ha=
rdware=0A> =0A> > based.=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > >=0A=
> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > > I believe Claude Voit did a w=
hole CD using such=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > > method,though i dont know if he =
does it live,also=0A> Zoe=0A> =0A> > is=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > > doing prear=
ranged stuff with sequences and=0A> loopers=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > > live(th=
ough i think she uses all software now)=0A> kid=0A> =0A> > beyond as=0A> =
=0A> >=0A> =0A> > > well etc.=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=
 >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > > and though im a fan of d=
oing the "open=0A> =0A> > canvas"=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > > type of looping i=
 can see the power of that if u=0A> want=0A> =0A> > to=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> =
> > expand to more complex looping arrangements.=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > >=0A=
> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > > cheers=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > =
>=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > > Mark=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> =
> > OH and Hi Florian! Welcome to LD, I also know=0A> your=0A> =0A> > post=
=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > > from the Doepffer list... I dont have a huge=0A> m=
odular,=0A> =0A> > but I=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > > have a bit of a mix of Bla=
cet, Formant and=0A> Doepfer,=0A> =0A> > and=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > > harves=
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Hi loopers

I put this new video on youtube,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DeHD5zLoGrzs

The music that you hear is achieved simply by using

Klein Guitar-audio interface-mobius-guitar rig=20

I like to have your comments

Regard
Milco Montagna




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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hi loopers<BR>
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I put this new video on youtube,<BR>
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com/watch?v=3DeHD5zLoGrzs</A><BR>
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The music that you hear is achieved simply by using<BR>
<BR>
Klein Guitar-audio interface-mobius-guitar rig<BR>
<BR>
I like to have your comments<BR>
<BR>
Regard<BR>
Milco Montagna<BR>
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 Hi all, her's an excerpt from my live performance at the Antwerp (BE)
European Live Looping Festival (30th maj 2009).
Last year I've been trapped in the glitch sound; that kind of Sakamoto-Alva
Noto work, if you know their work.
I've found interesting to... play a clean piano sound and then have it
glitched after looped. Here you can listen 3 loops going on with different
glitched tempi (in 2 of them I was looping with feedback variations).
The result - in my opinion - is like a piano that sounds in the middle of a
rain of small piano notes and fragmented melodies...

Enjoy (...if it fits your taste)

Fabio
www.eterogeneo.com

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<span class=3D"UIStory_Message">=A0Hi all,=20
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live performance at the Antwerp (BE) European Live Looping Festival (30th m=
aj 2009). </div>
<div class=3D"text_exposed_root text_exposed">Last year I&#39;ve been trapp=
ed in the glitch sound; that kind of Sakamoto-Alva Noto work, if you know t=
heir work. </div>
<div class=3D"text_exposed_root text_exposed">I&#39;ve found interesting to=
<span class=3D"text_exposed_hide">...</span><span class=3D"text_exposed_sho=
w"> play a clean piano sound and then have it glitched after looped. Here y=
ou can listen 3 loops going on with different glitched tempi (in 2 of them =
I was looping with feedback variations).</span></div>

<div class=3D"text_exposed_root text_exposed"><span class=3D"text_exposed_s=
how">The result - in my opinion - is like a piano that sounds in the middle=
 of a rain of small piano notes and fragmented melodies...</span></div>
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how"></span>=A0</div>
<div class=3D"text_exposed_root text_exposed"><span class=3D"text_exposed_s=
how">Enjoy (...if it fits your taste)</span></div>
<div class=3D"text_exposed_root text_exposed"><span class=3D"text_exposed_s=
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<div class=3D"text_exposed_root text_exposed"><span class=3D"text_exposed_s=
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how"><a href=3D"http://www.eterogeneo.com/">www.eterogeneo.com</a></span></=
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 Hi all,
her's an excerpt from my live performance at the Antwerp (BE) European Live
Looping Festival (30th maj 2009): http://www.vimeo.com/6904552
Last year I've been trapped in the glitch sound; that kind of Sakamoto-Alva
Noto work, if you know their work.
I've found interesting to... play a clean piano sound and then have it
glitched after looped. Here you can listen 3 loops going on with different
glitched tempi (in 2 of them I was looping with feedback variations).
The result - in my opinion - is like a piano that sounds in the middle of a
rain of small piano notes and fragmented melodies...

Enjoy (...if it fits your taste)

Fabio
www.eterogeneo.com

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<div><span>=A0Hi all,</span></div>
<div><span>her&#39;s an excerpt from my live performance at the Antwerp (BE=
) European Live Looping Festival (30th maj 2009): <a href=3D"http://www.vim=
eo.com/6904552">http://www.vimeo.com/6904552</a>=A0</span></div>
<div><span>Last year I&#39;ve been trapped in the glitch sound; that kind o=
f Sakamoto-Alva Noto work, if you know their work. </span></div>
<div><span>I&#39;ve found interesting to<span>...</span><span> play a clean=
 piano sound and then have it glitched after looped. Here you can listen 3 =
loops going on with different glitched tempi (in 2 of them I was looping wi=
th feedback variations).</span></span></div>

<div><span><span></span><span>The result - in my opinion - is like a piano =
that sounds in the middle of a rain of small piano notes and fragmented mel=
odies...</span></span></div>
<div><span><span></span></span>=A0</div>
<div><span><span>Enjoy (...if it fits your taste)</span></span></div>
<div><span><span></span></span>=A0</div>
<div><span><span>Fabio</span></span></div>
<div><span><span></span><span><a href=3D"http://www.eterogeneo.com/" target=
=3D"_blank">www.eterogeneo.com</a></span></span></div><br>

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Hey,

I want to share this exciting news with you all.

My latest solo album "Wounded Breath" has been included at the "Best Pop =
and Rock Music of spring 2009" article on the Culture Catch magazine. =
Some of the other artists are Radiohead, Bob Dylan, A Camp and Miranda =
Lee Richards.

http://culturecatch.com/music/sprung-best-rock-pop-music-spring-2009

Although mine is not a typical rock album at all, it is nice to see that =
people with different perspectives enjoy contemporary electronic music.

Thanks and best regards.

Erdem Helvacioglu
www.erdemhelvacioglu.com
www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
"Wounded Breath" album is out now on Aucourant Records:
www.aucourantrecords.com

"wounded breath album will open you up to new experiences and=20
allow you to explore worlds previously closed to you."
Blogcritics, Richard Marcus

"wounded breath is an outstanding acousmatic record, period."
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that=20
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well done. quite an achievement!
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Erdem Helvacioglu=20
  To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
  Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:21 PM
  Subject: wounded breath - album of 2009


  Hey,

  I want to share this exciting news with you all.

  My latest solo album "Wounded Breath" has been included at the "Best =
Pop and Rock Music of spring 2009" article on the Culture Catch =
magazine. Some of the other artists are Radiohead, Bob Dylan, A Camp and =
Miranda Lee Richards.

  http://culturecatch.com/music/sprung-best-rock-pop-music-spring-2009

  Although mine is not a typical rock album at all, it is nice to see =
that people with different perspectives enjoy contemporary electronic =
music.

  Thanks and best regards.

  Erdem Helvacioglu
  www.erdemhelvacioglu.com
  www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu
  * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
  "Wounded Breath" album is out now on Aucourant Records:
  www.aucourantrecords.com

  "wounded breath album will open you up to new experiences and=20
  allow you to explore worlds previously closed to you."
  Blogcritics, Richard Marcus

  "wounded breath is an outstanding acousmatic record, period."
  Massimo Ricci, touching extremes
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  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Hi Erdem,
This must give you a good feeling.  My congratulations and up to the
next album :)
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Many congratulation, Erdem !


Fabio
www.eterogeneo.com



2009/10/5 Erdem Helvacioglu <erdemhel@tnn.net>

>  Hey,
>
> I want to share this exciting news with you all.
>
> My latest solo album "Wounded Breath" has been included at the "Best Pop
> and Rock Music of spring 2009" article on the Culture Catch magazine. Some
> of the other artists are Radiohead, Bob Dylan, A Camp and Miranda Lee
> Richards.
>
> http://culturecatch.com/music/sprung-best-rock-pop-music-spring-2009
>
> Although mine is not a typical rock album at all, it is nice to see that
> people with different perspectives enjoy contemporary electronic music.
>
> Thanks and best regards.
>
> Erdem Helvacioglu
> www.erdemhelvacioglu.com
> www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> "Wounded Breath" album is out now on Aucourant Records:
> www.aucourantrecords.com
>
> "wounded breath album will open you up to new experiences and
> allow you to explore worlds previously closed to you."
> Blogcritics, Richard Marcus
>
> "wounded breath is an outstanding acousmatic record, period."
> Massimo Ricci, touching extremes
>

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<div>Many congratulation, Erdem !</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Fabio</div>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/10/5 Erdem Helvacioglu <span dir=3D"ltr">&l=
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<div>Hey,</div>
<div>=A0</div>
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<div>=A0</div>
<div>My latest solo album &quot;Wounded Breath&quot; has been included at t=
he &quot;Best Pop and Rock Music of spring 2009&quot; article on the Cultur=
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p and Miranda Lee Richards.</div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div><a href=3D"http://culturecatch.com/music/sprung-best-rock-pop-music-sp=
ring-2009" target=3D"_blank">http://culturecatch.com/music/sprung-best-rock=
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<div>=A0</div>
<div>Although mine is not a typical rock album at all, it is nice to see th=
at people with different perspectives enjoy contemporary electronic music.<=
/div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Thanks and best regards.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
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* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *<br>&quot;Wounded Breath&quot; album=
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<div>=A0</div>
<div>&quot;wounded breath album will open you up to new experiences and <br=
>allow you to explore worlds previously closed to you.&quot;<br>Blogcritics=
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<div>=A0</div>
<div>&quot;wounded breath is an outstanding acousmatic record, period.&quot=
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Very nice in the way you take a simple melodic motif and develop it  
and morph it in subtle, interesting and unexpected ways.

One often forgets what one is hearing is guitar.

Interesting animation too (though the poetry did not appeal to me  
particularly).

Good work . . . I'd like to hear more . . . without the visual context.

On Oct 5, 2009, at 2:00 AM, <loopinloop@alice.it> wrote:

> Hi loopers
>
> I put this new video on youtube,
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHD5zLoGrzs
>
> The music that you hear is achieved simply by using
>
> Klein Guitar-audio interface-mobius-guitar rig
>
> I like to have your comments
>
> Regard
> Milco Montagna
>

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Congratulations Erdem.

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> Hey,
>
> I want to share this exciting news with you all.

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Fabio,

Like everything you do . . . it's fabulous.

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> her's an excerpt from my live performance at the Antwerp (BE)  
> European Live Looping Festival

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Thanks, Ted, your opinion has a special place for me, 'cos you have followe=
d
my music in the last 4 or 5 years
So, thanks for being still here to put out your comments about what we do.
Your opinion counts !

fabio
www.eterogeneo.com



2009/10/5 tEd =AE KiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net>

> Fabio,
>
> Like everything you do . . . it's fabulous.
>
>
> On Oct 5, 2009, at 3:48 AM, Fabio_A wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>> her's an excerpt from my live performance at the Antwerp (BE) European
>> Live Looping Festival
>>
>
>

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<div>Your opinion counts !</div>
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<div>fabio </div>
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Hi Milco! very nice work! <br>
very glad to find you here.<br>
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Ciao Milco, bel lavoro, complimenti molto raffinato e delicato.<br>
a presto! <br>
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Hi Milco! very nice work! <br>
very glad to find you here.<br>
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Ciao Milco, bel lavoro, complimenti molto raffinato e delicato.<br>
a presto! <br>
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I put this new video on youtube,<br>
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The music that you hear is achieved simply by using<br>
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Milco Montagna<br>
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wow, fabio...that was stunning. very evocative and beautiful. more please!

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wow, fabio...that was stunning. very evocative and beautiful. more please!<br><br>sim<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hi all,<br>her&#39;s an excerpt from my live performance at the Antwerp (BE) European Live Looping Festival<br>

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Rock on!


From: erdemhel@tnn.net
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: wounded breath - album of 2009
Date: Mon=2C 5 Oct 2009 15:21:18 +0300










Hey=2C
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people with different perspectives enjoy contemporary electronic music.
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Thanks and best regards.
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op=20
and Rock Music of spring 2009" article on the Culture Catch magazine. Some =
of=20
the other artists are Radiohead=2C Bob Dylan=2C A Camp and Miranda Lee=20
Richards.</div>
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<div><a href=3D"http://culturecatch.com/music/sprung-best-rock-pop-music-sp=
ring-2009">http://culturecatch.com/music/sprung-best-rock-pop-music-spring-=
2009</a></div>
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<div>Although mine is not a typical rock album at all=2C it is nice to see =
that=20
people with different perspectives enjoy contemporary electronic music.</di=
v>
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<div>Thanks and best regards.</div>
<div>&nbsp=3B</div>
<div>Erdem Helvacioglu<br><a href=3D"http://www.erdemhelvacioglu.com">www.e=
rdemhelvacioglu.com</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/erdemhelvaciog=
lu">www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu</a><br>*=20
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on=20
Aucourant Records:<br><a href=3D"http://www.aucourantrecords.com">www.aucou=
rantrecords.com</a></div>
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<div>"wounded breath album will open you up to new experiences and <br>allo=
w you=20
to explore worlds previously closed to you."<br>Blogcritics=2C Richard=20
Marcus</div>
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<div>"wounded breath is an outstanding acousmatic record=2C period."<br>Mas=
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Bellissimo Fabio - bravo!

Gareth

Date: Mon=2C 5 Oct 2009 12:48:59 +0200
Subject: Video from my looping in set at the Antwerp Live Looping Festival
From: eterogenus@gmail.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=3B ambient@hyperreal.org

 Hi all=2C=20
her's an excerpt from my live performance at the Antwerp (BE) European Live=
 Looping Festival (30th maj 2009).=20
Last year I've been trapped in the glitch sound=3B that kind of Sakamoto-Al=
va Noto work=2C if you know their work.=20
I've found interesting to... play a clean piano sound and then have it glit=
ched after looped. Here you can listen 3 loops going on with different glit=
ched tempi (in 2 of them I was looping with feedback variations).

The result - in my opinion - is like a piano that sounds in the middle of a=
 rain of small piano notes and fragmented melodies...
=20
Enjoy (...if it fits your taste)
=20
Fabio
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<div class=3D"ecxtext_exposed_root ecxtext_exposed">her's an excerpt from m=
y live performance at the Antwerp (BE) European Live Looping Festival (30th=
 maj 2009). </div>
<div class=3D"ecxtext_exposed_root ecxtext_exposed">Last year I've been tra=
pped in the glitch sound=3B that kind of Sakamoto-Alva Noto work=2C if you =
know their work. </div>
<div class=3D"ecxtext_exposed_root ecxtext_exposed">I've found interesting =
to<span class=3D"ecxtext_exposed_hide">...</span><span class=3D"ecxtext_exp=
osed_show"> play a clean piano sound and then have it glitched after looped=
. Here you can listen 3 loops going on with different glitched tempi (in 2 =
of them I was looping with feedback variations).</span></div>

<div class=3D"ecxtext_exposed_root ecxtext_exposed"><span class=3D"ecxtext_=
exposed_show">The result - in my opinion - is like a piano that sounds in t=
he middle of a rain of small piano notes and fragmented melodies...</span><=
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<div class=3D"ecxtext_exposed_root ecxtext_exposed"><span class=3D"ecxtext_=
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Fabio did a fantastic set imo, thumbs up :) Btw: if you are interested
in the video's of the other performers, go to the
http://livelooping.be/ website and click on "Program 2009 - Mp3=92s and
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On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 1:23 AM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net> wr=
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> Looking forward to Y2K9 . . . more for meeting and listening to others th=
an
> performing myself.

Socializing is an important part of the festival, at least for me.
Looking forward to meet you Ted!

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On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 12:41 PM, L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
> very cool Sjaak! im glad you are putting rhythm on your ambient stuff,personally

Thx brother Luis.My musical taste is broad, prog.rock, world, jazz,
fusion and ambient. So I'm sure that one day, I'll start using rhythmn
again, don't worry ;-) I'm currently exploring the deep sea of
minimalistic Ambient and focussing on that, trying to get the max out
of it for my new project.
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http://livelooping.be/
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This is really wonderful! Thanks for sharing this Milco!

Jeff

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> On Oct 5, 2009, at 2:00 AM, <loopinloop@alice.it> wrote:
> 
>> Hi loopers
>>
>> I put this new video on youtube,
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHD5zLoGrzs
>>
>> The music that you hear is achieved simply by using
>>
>> Klein Guitar-audio interface-mobius-guitar rig
>>
>> I like to have your comments
>>
>> Regard
>> Milco Montagna
>>
> 
>

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Sjaak some of your ambient stuff reminds me of my favorite scene from the f=
ilm "american beauty" where the plastic bag is dancing on the air just beau=
tiful check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DUDXjnW3nIWg


also check out the dramatic movie "Babel" from the mexican regisseur Alejan=
dro Gonz=E1lez I=F1=E1rritu,who also directed "21 Grams" the soundtrack  of=
 both of this films were made by the argentinian Gustavo Santaolalla  but B=
abels music really grabbed me in particular,its a beautiful mixture of ambi=
ent and world im sure you will enjoy it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DsyfU7drScwg

cheers
Luis
www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


--- Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com> schrieb am Mo, 5.10.2009:

> Von: Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com>
> Betreff: Re: Trancy soundscape
> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Datum: Montag, 5. Oktober 2009, 9:17
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 12:41 PM,
> L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > very cool Sjaak! im glad you are putting rhythm on
> your ambient stuff,personally
>=20
> Thx brother Luis.My musical taste is broad, prog.rock,
> world, jazz,
> fusion and ambient. So I'm sure that one day, I'll start
> using rhythmn
> again, don't worry ;-) I'm currently exploring the deep sea
> of
> minimalistic Ambient and focussing on that, trying to get
> the max out
> of it for my new project.
> --=20
> Sjaak Overgaauw
> http://premonitionfactory.com/
> http://livelooping.be/
> http://euroloopfest.com/
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Very nice!

Thanks for sharing!

Eric




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Sent: Mon, October 5, 2009 5:00:02 AM
Subject: If only I had wings !


Hi loopers

I put this new video on youtube,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHD5zLoGrzs

The music that you hear is achieved simply by using

Klein Guitar-audio interface-mobius-guitar rig

I like to have your comments

Regard
Milco Montagna




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<DIV>Thanks for sharing!</DIV>
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That is cool music, a little hard too watch -- I guess my eyes are getting too old (or maybe my brain is getting too slow to process things that fast....)

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Hi,
This is what I recorded tonight while rehearsing for
http://y2kloopfest.com/ What you here is an excerpt of a 10 minute
soundscape and remixed in Logic (beat). It's a long time ago I did
stuff like this ;-)

http://euroloopfest.com/sjaak/podcast/23_Trance_Soundscape.mp3

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Here's a live loop piece from my gig in the Poster Room at the  
Fillmore last night: Afterbird-> Sultans of Swing

http://www.dgans.com/audio/Afterbird-Sultans_091004.mp3





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Hi Fabio, really cool video, your music is amazing! It really
resembles the Sakamoto/Alva Noto work, but in a new and fresh
perspective. I have a question: how do you process the piano sound
live, to make it sound glitchy? I am experimenting with this kind of
things using my guitar, but the only way I could do this is with
offline editing, so first I record the sounds and them I put the
pieces together in my DAW, creating the beats. But I always wondered
how this would be possible to do live. I would really appreciate your
help!
Thanks and good work with your music!
Cheers,
Alex Klinke

www.myspace.com/alexandreklinke

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:51 AM, Fabio_A <eterogenus@gmail.com> wrote:
> =A0Hi all,
> her's an excerpt from my live performance at the Antwerp (BE) European Li=
ve
> Looping Festival (30th maj 2009): http://www.vimeo.com/6904552
> Last year I've been trapped in the glitch sound; that kind of Sakamoto-Al=
va
> Noto work, if you know their work.
> I've found interesting to... play a clean piano sound and then have it
> glitched after looped. Here you can listen 3 loops going on with differen=
t
> glitched tempi (in 2 of them I was looping with feedback variations).
> The result - in my opinion - is like a piano that sounds in the middle of=
 a
> rain of small piano notes and fragmented melodies...
>
> Enjoy (...if it fits your taste)
>
> Fabio
> www.eterogeneo.com
>

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<head><style>body{font-family: Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:=
10pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}p{m=
argin:0px}</style></head><body id=3D"compText">sounz good to me-lov the liv=
e loops. how did you tape it?<div>didnt you have a health scare nott too lo=
ng ago?</div><div>or was that someone else.</div><div>s<br><br><br><blockqu=
ote style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px =
solid">-----Original Message-----
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<br>Subject: Live loop piece from last night: "Afterbird"

<br><br><zzzhtml><zzzhead><zzzbase href=3D"x-msg://43/"></zzzbase></zzzhead=
><zzzbody style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit=
-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br></div>Here's a live loop piece f=
rom my gig in the Poster Room at the Fillmore last night:&nbsp;Afterbird-&g=
t; Sultans of Swing<div><div>&nbsp;</div><div><a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"=
http://www.dgans.com/audio/Afterbird-Sultans_091004.mp3">http://www.dgans.c=
om/audio/Afterbird-Sultans_091004.mp3</a></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div><br></=
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=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3"><span class=3D"Apple-st=
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" href=3D"mailto:david@trufun.com">david@trufun.com</a> or <a target=3D"_bl=
ank" href=3D"mailto:david@gdhour.com">david@gdhour.com</a></div><div>Truth =
and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730</div><div>Blo=
g: &nbsp;<a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com">http:=
//cloudsurfing.gdhour.com</a></div><div>Web site: <a target=3D"_blank" href=
=3D"http://www.dgans.com">http://www.dgans.com</a></div><div>Photos: <a tar=
get=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans">http://www.flick=
r.com/photos/dgans</a></div><div>Music: <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http:/=
/www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans">http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans</a></div><div><b=
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On Oct 5, 2009, at 9:41 PM, stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote:

> sounz good to me-lov the live loops. how did you tape it?

I record most of my gigs form the soundboard with an Edirol R-09 at 24  
bits 96 KHz.


> didnt you have a health scare nott too long ago?

I did indeed; the story is here: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com/archives/2544

I'm doing fine now!



David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730
Blog:  http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com
Web site: http://www.dgans.com
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style=3D"font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">sounz good =
to me-lov the live loops. how did you tape =
it?</span></span></blockquote><div><br></div>I record most of my gigs =
form the soundboard with an Edirol R-09 at 24 bits 96 KHz. =
&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span =
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style=3D"font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; "><div>didnt =
you have a health scare nott too long =
ago?</div></span></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I did indeed; =
the story is here:&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com/archives/2544">http://cloudsurfing.=
gdhour.com/archives/2544</a></div><div><br></div><div>I'm doing fine =
now!&nbsp;</div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div><br><div>
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href=3D"mailto:david@trufun.com">david@trufun.com</a> or <a =
href=3D"mailto:david@gdhour.com">david@gdhour.com</a></div><div>Truth =
and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA =
94610-2730</div><div>Blog: &nbsp;<a =
href=3D"http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com">http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com</a>=
</div><div>Web site: <a =
href=3D"http://www.dgans.com">http://www.dgans.com</a></div><div>Photos: =
<a =
href=3D"http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans">http://www.flickr.com/photos/d=
gans</a></div><div>Music: <a =
href=3D"http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans">http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans</=
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Nice work Fabio !!!!
the voice of your piano is now mature and unmistakable.

Very good olso the overlap with images

Ciao
Milco


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Oggetto: Re: (amb) Video from my looping in set at the Antwerp Live =
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=20
 Hi all,
her's an excerpt from my live performance at the Antwerp (BE) European =
Live
Looping Festival (30th maj 2009): http://www.vimeo.com/6904552
Last year I've been trapped in the glitch sound; that kind of =
Sakamoto-Alva
Noto work, if you know their work.
I've found interesting to... play a clean piano sound and then have it
glitched after looped. Here you can listen 3 loops going on with =
different
glitched tempi (in 2 of them I was looping with feedback variations).
The result - in my opinion - is like a piano that sounds in the middle =
of a
rain of small piano notes and fragmented melodies...

Enjoy (...if it fits your taste)

Fabio
www.eterogeneo.com



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Hi Fabio! Italian Live looping is growing! so my compliments! (can we
say so?)<br>
as you see also Milco posted something of very interesting. <br>
Maybe next year we could organize an I.L.L.F? <span
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Best From Florence!<br>
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Fabio_A ha scritto:
<blockquote
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 type="cite"><span class="UIStory_Message">&nbsp;Hi all,
  <div class="text_exposed_root text_exposed">her's an excerpt from my
live performance at the Antwerp (BE) European Live Looping Festival
(30th maj 2009). </div>
  <div class="text_exposed_root text_exposed">Last year I've been
trapped in the glitch sound; that kind of Sakamoto-Alva Noto work, if
you know their work. </div>
  <div class="text_exposed_root text_exposed">I've found interesting to<span
 class="text_exposed_hide">...</span><span class="text_exposed_show">
play a clean piano sound and then have it glitched after looped. Here
you can listen 3 loops going on with different glitched tempi (in 2 of
them I was looping with feedback variations).</span></div>
  <div class="text_exposed_root text_exposed"><span
 class="text_exposed_show">The result - in my opinion - is like a piano
that sounds in the middle of a rain of small piano notes and fragmented
melodies...</span></div>
  <div class="text_exposed_root text_exposed"><span
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  <div class="text_exposed_root text_exposed"><span
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On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:17 PM, L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sjaak some of your ambient stuff reminds me of my favorite scene from the=
 film "american beauty" where the plastic bag is dancing on the air just be=
autiful check it out:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DUDXjnW3nIWg

Regarding Babel and American Beauty: looks like you and I have a
similar taste. And now I remember this fragment again. It's indeed a
beautiful piece of piano. Really simple too but very effective. Good
example of less is more.

> Soundtrack =A0of both of this films were made by the Argentinian Gustavo =
Santaolalla

I don't know him, but I have the Babel soundtrack on my iPod and like
you. I will listen too it again when I'm driving back to Belgium
tonight. It would be a dream to make a real soundtrack myself, because
the combination of moving pictures and music is much more powerful
than music alone. Do you know any directors? ;-)
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Ah Yess! Thank you for sharing that fantastic scene of the plastic bag
and the perfect music of Thomas Newman! <br>
so i agree with you, somethimes Sjaak music remember it! <br>
but...<br>
I have never seeen Babel, i'll provide at soon ;-)<br>
thanks! <br>
<br>
L.Angulo ha scritto:
<blockquote cite="mid:71432.40300.qm@web24305.mail.ird.yahoo.com"
 type="cite">
  <pre wrap="">Sjaak some of your ambient stuff reminds me of my favorite scene from the film "american beauty" where the plastic bag is dancing on the air just beautiful check it out:

<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDXjnW3nIWg">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDXjnW3nIWg</a>


also check out the dramatic movie "Babel" from the mexican regisseur Alejandro Gonz&aacute;lez I&ntilde;&aacute;rritu,who also directed "21 Grams" the soundtrack  of both of this films were made by the argentinian Gustavo Santaolalla  but Babels music really grabbed me in particular,its a beautiful mixture of ambient and world im sure you will enjoy it!

<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syfU7drScwg">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syfU7drScwg</a>

cheers
Luis
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom">www.myspace.com/luisangulocom</a>


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On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 12:41 PM,
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      <pre wrap="">very cool Sjaak! im glad you are putting rhythm on
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    <pre wrap="">your ambient stuff,personally

Thx brother Luis.My musical taste is broad, prog.rock,
world, jazz,
fusion and ambient. So I'm sure that one day, I'll start
using rhythmn
again, don't worry ;-) I'm currently exploring the deep sea
of
minimalistic Ambient and focussing on that, trying to get
the max out
of it for my new project.
-- 
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Thanks for the feedback, people.
In the next weeks, I'll post new videos from the Florence Loopfest, that are
almost ready.

I've also appreciated Milco's work, who became a good friend of
mine immediately when we meet in Zurich in 2005, and who came in Rome *just*
for the loopfest from the very north Italy, driving for hours and hours....
What I enjoined in that work is that music, animation and poetry have a
unique flux, they are well combined together and create a cool, intimate and
immersive atmosphere.
@Massimo,
A new loopfest ? I'd like, but not in 2010, I'm afraid...
Except for small events ....and easy to realize. Any ideas ?

Fabio
www.eterogeneo.com


2009/10/6 Massimo Liverani <liverani@het.it>

> Hi Fabio! Italian Live looping is growing! so my compliments! (can we say
> so?)
> as you see also Milco posted something of very interesting.
> Maybe next year we could organize an I.L.L.F? :-)
> Best From Florence!
>
> Max Liver
>
> Fabio_A ha scritto:
>
>  Hi all, her's an excerpt from my live performance at the Antwerp (BE)
> European Live Looping Festival (30th maj 2009).
> Last year I've been trapped in the glitch sound; that kind of Sakamoto-Alva
> Noto work, if you know their work.
> I've found interesting to... play a clean piano sound and then have it
> glitched after looped. Here you can listen 3 loops going on with different
> glitched tempi (in 2 of them I was looping with feedback variations).
> The result - in my opinion - is like a piano that sounds in the middle of a
> rain of small piano notes and fragmented melodies...
>
> Enjoy (...if it fits your taste)
>
> Fabio
> www.eterogeneo.com
>
>
>
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<div>Thanks for the feedback, people.</div>
<div>In the next weeks, I&#39;ll post new videos from the Florence Loopfest=
, that are almost ready.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>I&#39;ve also appreciated Milco&#39;s work, who became a good friend o=
f mine=A0immediately when we meet in Zurich in 2005, and who came=A0in Rome=
 *just* for the loopfest from=A0the very north Italy, driving for hours and=
 hours....=A0</div>

<div>What I enjoined in=A0that work=A0is that music,=A0animation=A0and poet=
ry have a unique flux, they are well combined together and create a=A0cool,=
 intimate and immersive=A0atmosphere.<br></div>
<div>@Massimo,=A0</div>
<div>A=A0new loopfest ? I&#39;d like, but not in 2010, I&#39;m afraid...</d=
iv>
<div>Except for small events ....and easy to realize. Any ideas ?</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Fabio</div>
<div><a href=3D"http://www.eterogeneo.com/">www.eterogeneo.com</a></div>
<div><br>=A0</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/10/6 Massimo Liverani <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:liverani@het.it">liverani@het.it</a>&gt;</span><br>
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px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
<div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">Hi Fabio! Italian Live looping is=
 growing! so my compliments! (can we say so?)<br>as you see also Milco post=
ed something of very interesting. <br>Maybe next year we could organize an =
I.L.L.F? <span><span>:-) </span></span><br>
Best From Florence!<br><br>Max Liver<br><br>Fabio_A ha scritto:=20
<div>
<div></div>
<div class=3D"h5">
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=A0Hi all,=20
<div>her&#39;s an excerpt from my live performance at the Antwerp (BE) Euro=
pean Live Looping Festival (30th maj 2009). </div>
<div>Last year I&#39;ve been trapped in the glitch sound; that kind of Saka=
moto-Alva Noto work, if you know their work. </div>
<div>I&#39;ve found interesting to<span>...</span><span> play a clean piano=
 sound and then have it glitched after looped. Here you can listen 3 loops =
going on with different glitched tempi (in 2 of them I was looping with fee=
dback variations).</span></div>

<div><span>The result - in my opinion - is like a piano that sounds in the =
middle of a rain of small piano notes and fragmented melodies...</span></di=
v>
<div><span></span>=A0</div>
<div><span>Enjoy (...if it fits your taste)</span></div>
<div><span></span>=A0</div>
<div><span>Fabio</span></div>
<div><span><a href=3D"http://www.eterogeneo.com/" target=3D"_blank">www.ete=
rogeneo.com</a></span></div></span></blockquote><br><br></div></div>
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Hello All, Sorry for the nature of the email, but I have a few pedals for
sale:

Electro Harmonix Micro Bass Synth Pedal some scratches, works wonderfully

SIB Mr. Echo Delay also in great shape

Boss Flanger flanges all over the place.

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Hello All, Sorry for the nature of the email, but I have a few pedals for s=
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<br>If you are interested please contact me off list for pics, etc..<br><br=
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This may be of interest to some and is mostly OT, I think someone on the
list works for Meditronics, a manufacturer of diabetic pumps and some of you
may be diabetic or have people in your lives who are. In my case as some
know, my daughter is Type 1.
We participated this fall (Sun Oct 4) as we do each year in the fall
NYC Juvenile
Diabetes Research Foundation Walk for the
Cure<http://walk.jdrf.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=extranet.personalpage&confirmid=87423896>as
well as do an extensive fundraising to raise support for the
organization.

During our walk yesterday morning, I photographed and put together a short
video POP.  The music is partly looping and has an interesting parallel.
 I've been recording a series of improvisational pieces via NinJam with
Swedish musician Peter Thorn <http://www.myspace.com/peterthrn> who I know
through the Unfretted <http://www.myspace.com/unpluggedunfretted> community.
 Peter is also diabetic.  We are putting together a body of work that will
be titled *Sharps *with a release planned this month.  Proceeds from any
sales on the recording will go to benefit JDRF.  Most of the record is live
real time improvisation though I am subtly using Mobius on some of it.  The
2nd piece on the video is done in Mobius looping my violin.

It's posted on Vimeo at http://www.vimeo.com/6911410

and YouTube at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu2wVCDX8f4

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu2wVCDX8f4>Btw our campaign is still open
through end of the month.  If you might be interested in donating to JDRF
here is info<http://walk.jdrf.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=extranet.personalpage&confirmid=87423896>.
 Though the walk has passed the drive goes through end of the month, we have
raised $4,670 thus far.

Jim

-- 
ReUse, an introspective textural aural
www.myspace.com/CtReUse

music links...
www.jimgoodinmusic.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com
www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic
www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro
www.myspace.com/jindream
www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic

video work/editing...
www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital

social networking...
www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic

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This may be of interest to some and is mostly OT, I think someone on the li=
st works for Meditronics, a manufacturer of diabetic pumps and some of you =
may be diabetic or have people in your lives who are. In my case as some kn=
ow, my daughter is Type 1.<div>

<br></div><div>We participated this fall (Sun Oct 4) as we do each year in =
the fall NYC <a href=3D"http://walk.jdrf.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=3Dextrane=
t.personalpage&amp;confirmid=3D87423896">Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundat=
ion Walk for the Cure</a> as well as do an extensive fundraising to raise s=
upport for the organization.</div>
<div><br>
</div><div>During our walk yesterday morning, I photographed and put togeth=
er a short video POP. =A0The music is partly looping and has an interesting=
 parallel. =A0I&#39;ve been recording a series of improvisational pieces vi=
a NinJam with Swedish musician <a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/peterthrn"=
>Peter Thorn</a> who I know through the <a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/u=
npluggedunfretted">Unfretted</a> community. =A0Peter is also diabetic. =A0W=
e are putting together a body of work that will be titled <i>Sharps </i>wit=
h a release planned this month. =A0Proceeds from any sales on the recording=
 will go to benefit JDRF. =A0Most of the record is live real time improvisa=
tion though I am subtly using Mobius on some of it. =A0The 2nd piece on the=
 video is done in Mobius looping my violin.</div>

<div><br></div><div>It&#39;s posted on Vimeo at=A0<a href=3D"http://www.vim=
eo.com/6911410" target=3D"_blank">http://www.vimeo.com/6911410</a></div><di=
v><br></div><div>and YouTube at=A0<a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
=3DZu2wVCDX8f4" target=3D"_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DZu2wVCDX=
8f4</a></div>

<div><br></div><div><a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DZu2wVCDX8f4=
" target=3D"_blank"></a>Btw our campaign is still open through end of the m=
onth. =A0If you might be interested in donating to JDRF here is <a href=3D"=
http://walk.jdrf.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=3Dextranet.personalpage&amp;confi=
rmid=3D87423896">info</a>. =A0Though the walk has passed the drive goes thr=
ough end of the month, we have raised $4,670 thus far.=A0</div>

<div><br></div><div>Jim<br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>ReUse, an introspective=
 textural aural<br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/CtReUse" target=3D"_bl=
ank">www.myspace.com/CtReUse</a><br><br>music links...<br><a href=3D"http:/=
/www.jimgoodinmusic.com" target=3D"_blank">www.jimgoodinmusic.com</a><br>

<a href=3D"http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com" target=3D"_blank">www.chinapa=
intingmusic.com</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic</a><br><a href=3D"http://www=
.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic" target=3D"_blank">www.myspace.com/chinapai=
ntingmusic</a><br>

<a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro" target=3D"_blank"=
>www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspac=
e.com/jindream" target=3D"_blank">www.myspace.com/jindream</a><br><a href=
=3D"http://www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic" target=3D"_blank">www.youtube.co=
m/jimgoodinmusic</a><br>

<br>video work/editing...<br><a href=3D"http://www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigit=
al" target=3D"_blank">www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital</a><br><br>social netw=
orking...<br><a href=3D"http://www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic" target=3D"_b=
lank">www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic</a><br>

<br>
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I want to use a bright pulsating light to visibly follow  a loop's  
tempo live. Can the EDP or rackmount jamman do this with midi? any  
other options?

The jammans and the edp have a pulsating led light on the display  
showing the tempo - any way to make that external and brighter - bigger?

tq

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is there a computer somewhere in your rig, or are you all hardware?

os.


2009/10/6 Todd Quincy <Todd@quincycreative.com>:
> I want to use a bright pulsating light to visibly follow =A0a loop's temp=
o
> live. Can the EDP or rackmount jamman do this with midi? any other option=
s?
>
> The jammans and the edp have a pulsating led light on the display showing
> the tempo - any way to make that external and brighter - bigger?
>
> tq
>
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all hardware. Digitech Jamman,  Lexicon 32 sec Jamman, and Echoplex  
digital pro.

  never used a laptop. Should I

I loop live instruments  with a band. The drummer and others needs to  
see a light stay in tempo. whole notes at worst 1/4 note flashes are  
ideal?

On Oct 6, 2009, at 10:29 AM, Os wrote:

> is there a computer somewhere in your rig, or are you all hardware?
>
> os.
>
>
> 2009/10/6 Todd Quincy <Todd@quincycreative.com>:
>> I want to use a bright pulsating light to visibly follow  a loop's  
>> tempo
>> live. Can the EDP or rackmount jamman do this with midi? any other  
>> options?
>>
>> The jammans and the edp have a pulsating led light on the display  
>> showing
>> the tempo - any way to make that external and brighter - bigger?
>>
>> tq
>>
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
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>

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OK. I could think of a number of ways of solving this if you used a compute=
r.

When I play with a band the drummer plays to a click (from my laptop,
but you could generate that another way), and everyone else follows
the drummer. Is that an option for you?


os.


2009/10/6 Todd Quincy <Todd@quincycreative.com>:
> all hardware. Digitech Jamman, =A0Lexicon 32 sec Jamman, and Echoplex dig=
ital
> pro.
>
> =A0never used a laptop. Should I
>
> I loop live instruments =A0with a band. The drummer and others needs to s=
ee a
> light stay in tempo. whole notes at worst 1/4 note flashes are ideal?
>
> On Oct 6, 2009, at 10:29 AM, Os wrote:
>
>> is there a computer somewhere in your rig, or are you all hardware?
>>
>> os.
>>
>>
>> 2009/10/6 Todd Quincy <Todd@quincycreative.com>:
>>>
>>> I want to use a bright pulsating light to visibly follow =A0a loop's te=
mpo
>>> live. Can the EDP or rackmount jamman do this with midi? any other
>>> options?
>>>
>>> The jammans and the edp have a pulsating led light on the display showi=
ng
>>> the tempo - any way to make that external and brighter - bigger?
>>>
>>> tq
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> os@collective.co.uk
>> http://twitter.com/expertsleepers
>> http://www.darkroomtheband.net/
>> http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/
>>
>>
>
> Todd Quincy,
> President, Quincy Creative, LLC
> 513 253 0004
>
>



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It's overkill, but you *could*
Use a Gordius LG footcontroller.

It can display a metronome flash from an external midi clock (eg. from your edp).
10 bright LEDs

andy butler

Todd Quincy wrote:
> I want to use a bright pulsating light to visibly follow  a loop's tempo 
> live. Can the EDP or rackmount jamman do this with midi? any other options?
> 
> The jammans and the edp have a pulsating led light on the display 
> showing the tempo - any way to make that external and brighter - bigger?
> 
> tq
> 
> 

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yes, let's hear it.!

Following the drummer who is following the looper is the real idea. I  
was just trying to make it more natural and less intrusive to the  
drummer.
tq


On Oct 6, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Os wrote:

> OK. I could think of a number of ways of solving this if you used a  
> computer.
>
> When I play with a band the drummer plays to a click (from my laptop,
> but you could generate that another way), and everyone else follows
> the drummer. Is that an option for you?
>
>
> os.
>
>
> 2009/10/6 Todd Quincy <Todd@quincycreative.com>:
>> all hardware. Digitech Jamman,  Lexicon 32 sec Jamman, and Echoplex  
>> digital
>> pro.
>>
>>  never used a laptop. Should I
>>
>> I loop live instruments  with a band. The drummer and others needs  
>> to see a
>> light stay in tempo. whole notes at worst 1/4 note flashes are ideal?
>>
>> On Oct 6, 2009, at 10:29 AM, Os wrote:
>>
>>> is there a computer somewhere in your rig, or are you all hardware?
>>>
>>> os.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/10/6 Todd Quincy <Todd@quincycreative.com>:
>>>>
>>>> I want to use a bright pulsating light to visibly follow  a  
>>>> loop's tempo
>>>> live. Can the EDP or rackmount jamman do this with midi? any other
>>>> options?
>>>>
>>>> The jammans and the edp have a pulsating led light on the display  
>>>> showing
>>>> the tempo - any way to make that external and brighter - bigger?
>>>>
>>>> tq
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> os@collective.co.uk
>>> http://twitter.com/expertsleepers
>>> http://www.darkroomtheband.net/
>>> http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Todd Quincy,
>> President, Quincy Creative, LLC
>> 513 253 0004
>>
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> os@collective.co.uk
> http://twitter.com/expertsleepers
> http://www.darkroomtheband.net/
> http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/
>
>

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Hello Todd

Todd Quincy schrieb:
> yes, let's hear it.!
> 
> Following the drummer who is following the looper is the real idea. I 
> was just trying to make it more natural and less intrusive to the drummer.
I recommend NOT to use light as a click. There are two reasons.
* Steady flashing produces stress for your brain, while a steady sound 
click is perceived as music and rhythm.
* The brain reacts much slower on light than on sound. It is much more 
difficult for the drummer to play in sync with a steady flashing (if he 
is able at all) than with a audio click. Simply try once dancing to the 
rythm of a stroboscope, and you will know what I am talking about.

I don't know your musical circumstances, but I recommend to use a 
central master MIDI clock, and distribute clock this to the various 
gear, that shall be in sync. We[*] use a Roland SBX-80 for this task. 
For you a simple old drummachine might be better, because the drummer 
could use it as click at the same time.

Florian

[*]www.sphericlounge.de www.ambiosonics.de

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Do you think the edp could trigger a a roland 660 drum machine to   
produce an audible click of the tempo set by the edp's midi clock?

Also do you think the tempo light on the drum machine would activate -  
flash... that would solve it!

tq

On Oct 6, 2009, at 11:31 AM, Florian Anwander wrote:

> Hello Todd
>
> Todd Quincy schrieb:
>> yes, let's hear it.!
>> Following the drummer who is following the looper is the real idea.  
>> I was just trying to make it more natural and less intrusive to the  
>> drummer.
> I recommend NOT to use light as a click. There are two reasons.
> * Steady flashing produces stress for your brain, while a steady  
> sound click is perceived as music and rhythm.
> * The brain reacts much slower on light than on sound. It is much  
> more difficult for the drummer to play in sync with a steady  
> flashing (if he is able at all) than with a audio click. Simply try  
> once dancing to the rythm of a stroboscope, and you will know what I  
> am talking about.
>
> I don't know your musical circumstances, but I recommend to use a  
> central master MIDI clock, and distribute clock this to the various  
> gear, that shall be in sync. We[*] use a Roland SBX-80 for this  
> task. For you a simple old drummachine might be better, because the  
> drummer could use it as click at the same time.
>
> Florian
>
> [*]www.sphericlounge.de www.ambiosonics.de
>
>

Todd Quincy,
President, Quincy Creative, LLC
513 253 0004

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thanks andy,

based on the technology the Gordius pedal has to receive the clock and  
flash the edp tempo, I wonder if there are basic midi lights that  
would do the same.
tq
On Oct 6, 2009, at 11:05 AM, andy butler wrote:

> It's overkill, but you *could*
> Use a Gordius LG footcontroller.
>
> It can display a metronome flash from an external midi clock (eg.  
> from your edp).
> 10 bright LEDs
>
> andy butler
>
> Todd Quincy wrote:
>> I want to use a bright pulsating light to visibly follow  a loop's  
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>> other options?
>> The jammans and the edp have a pulsating led light on the display  
>> showing the tempo - any way to make that external and brighter -  
>> bigger?
>> tq
>
>

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thanks for posting the link. people's attitudes about art and money are so
f*kd.


next?
>>
>> Amanda Palmer wrote this blog about making money on the internet
>> and the attitudes of people she encounters who don't appreciate her
>> efforts
>> at staying financially stable as an artist.
>>
>>
>>

-- 
Warren
http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6679
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thanks for posting the link. people&#39;s attitudes about art and money are=
 so f*kd. <br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt=
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<div><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0p=
t 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
next?<br>
<br>
Amanda Palmer wrote this blog about making money on the internet<br>
and the attitudes of people she encounters who don&#39;t appreciate her eff=
orts<br>
at staying financially stable as an artist.<br>
<br><br></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"=
><br>-- <br>Warren<br><a href=3D"http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=
=3D6679">http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=3D6679</a><br><a href=
=3D"http://www.warrensirota.com">http://www.warrensirota.com</a><br>


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Hello Todd

> Do you think the edp could trigger a a roland 660 drum machine to  
> produce an audible click of the tempo set by the edp's midi clock?
I don't own a EDP, but a Jamman and a Electrix Repeater, and with both 
loopers your suggestion would work like charm.


> Also do you think the tempo light on the drum machine would activate - 
> flash... that would solve it!
I don't know this, and - as mentioned: I'd definitely try to avoid 
optical signals for human tempo correction. It will annoy the drummer 
and the audience.

Florian

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Years ago there was a product called the Russian Dragon.  Maybe you 
might find one used.

I think Jeanius Electronics made them.

 From what I can recall the were very cool and a lot of drummers like 
it. A simple led display.

Rich



At 10:21 AM 10/6/2009, you wrote:
>I want to use a bright pulsating light to visibly follow  a loop's
>tempo live. Can the EDP or rackmount jamman do this with midi? any
>other options?
>
>The jammans and the edp have a pulsating led light on the display
>showing the tempo - any way to make that external and brighter - bigger?
>
>tq

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(Some modern) musicians are the only folks I know who will FIGHT for  
the right to give their work away.  It is SO weird!

always happy to run into others who have to do crass, unartistic  
things like eat, pay rent/mortgage, buy the occasional pint, use  
modern transportation etc

R
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On Oct 6, 2009, at 8:58 AM, Warren Sirota wrote:

> thanks for posting the link. people's attitudes about art and money  
> are so f*kd.
>
>
> next?
>
> Amanda Palmer wrote this blog about making money on the internet
> and the attitudes of people she encounters who don't appreciate her  
> efforts
> at staying financially stable as an artist.
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Todd Quincy wrote:
> Do you think the edp could trigger a a roland 660 drum machine to  
> produce an audible click of the tempo set by the edp's midi clock?

It sends midi note ons for beat(33), cycle(34) and loop(32).
You'd have to program the drum machine to respond appropriately.

The note nums given are for when Source# = 36,
(and may be in the wrong order).
Can't remember if you need to do Sync=Out to make it work,
but just hook the 2 devices together and make a loop
to hear it happening.

Usual method for keeping a drummer in sync with a loop
is just to make sure they can hear the loop well, perhaps
using an extra monitor. 

andy


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If everyone embraced "open source" as an economic reality, maybe
giving your time, ideas and efforts away would be groovy and reap
rewards for everyone. But that's NOT THE CASE. Trying to apply "open
source" principals to the arts is the death knell of any notion of
making a living as an artist.

Frankly, the Cali economy as well as the nation's is a result of
people saying "whatever" when faced with challenges and details
regarding money.  The Arts? Better to help the public understand NOW
whether it is vital, has value, and might be worthy of structured
economic principles, or it's going to die just like education,
healthcare etc.

Artists of all walks should be compensated for their work and
intellectual property=97Just like inventors, writers, photographers etc.
(Not that these trades aren't "art", but they seem to have more firmly
established money structures).

Keep saying "whatever" and someday your sustenance will disappear. And
THEN you will have to come up with the same detailed "structure" so
you can receive "payment" for your ideas, time and efforts. Best to
just DO IT NOW.

Or . . . stay high, party on and figure it out later.  WHATEVER.

On 10/6/09, richard sales <richard@glasswing.com> wrote:
> (Some modern) musicians are the only folks I know who will FIGHT for the
> right to give their work away.  It is SO weird!
>
> always happy to run into others who have to do crass, unartistic things l=
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> eat, pay rent/mortgage, buy the occasional pint, use modern transportatio=
n
> etc
>
> R
> richard sales
> www.glasswing.com
> www.richardsales.com
> www.hayleysales.com
> On Oct 6, 2009, at 8:58 AM, Warren Sirota wrote:
> thanks for posting the link. people's attitudes about art and money are s=
o
> f*kd.

> > > next?
> > >
> > > Amanda Palmer wrote this blog about making money on the internet
> > > and the attitudes of people she encounters who don't appreciate her
> efforts
> > > at staying financially stable as an artist.

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Amanda & I have been chatting about this quite a bit. Her strategy is  
a different than many, including mine...but just as valid. First, she  
is just as much a performance artist as musician, so the webcasts and  
impromptu stage auctions (every night on our last tour she would  
auction a signed guitar in the middle of the set) are all a part of  
the show. Also, she doesn't make anything from her albums and must  
find other sources of revenue.

I blogged about money and music the previous day, if anyone is  
interested:

http://www.zoekeating.com/blog/2009/09/deep-thoughts-on-my-music-career.html



On Oct 6, 2009, at 9:45 AM, richard sales wrote:

> (Some modern) musicians are the only folks I know who will FIGHT for  
> the right to give their work away.  It is SO weird!
>
> always happy to run into others who have to do crass, unartistic  
> things like eat, pay rent/mortgage, buy the occasional pint, use  
> modern transportation etc
>
> R
> richard sales
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> www.richardsales.com
> www.hayleysales.com
> On Oct 6, 2009, at 8:58 AM, Warren Sirota wrote:
>
>> thanks for posting the link. people's attitudes about art and money  
>> are so f*kd.
>>
>>
>> next?
>>
>> Amanda Palmer wrote this blog about making money on the internet
>> and the attitudes of people she encounters who don't appreciate her  
>> efforts
>> at staying financially stable as an artist.
>>
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>>
>> -- 
>> Warren
>> http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6679
>> http://www.warrensirota.com
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Hello all, just thought I'd share a new tune, 'Solace'-  Standard disclaimers apply, rough demo, etc. etc.  The official catch phrase;  "Live looping a groove oriented blend of Indian and world percussion mixed with a trance rock flavor."  Any feedback would be great!  Cheers


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvFWboMJ3tM


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The EDP has a 1/4" BeatSync output which is a short pulse which could  
switch any lamp (through a relay) and its also audible, not beautiful  
but clear!


On 6 Oct 2009, at 12:46, Todd Quincy wrote:

> Do you think the edp could trigger a a roland 660 drum machine to   
> produce an audible click of the tempo set by the edp's midi clock?
>
> Also do you think the tempo light on the drum machine would activate  
> - flash... that would solve it!
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> tq
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> On Oct 6, 2009, at 11:31 AM, Florian Anwander wrote:
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>> Hello Todd
>>
>> Todd Quincy schrieb:
>>> yes, let's hear it.!
>>> Following the drummer who is following the looper is the real  
>>> idea. I was just trying to make it more natural and less intrusive  
>>> to the drummer.
>> I recommend NOT to use light as a click. There are two reasons.
>> * Steady flashing produces stress for your brain, while a steady  
>> sound click is perceived as music and rhythm.
>> * The brain reacts much slower on light than on sound. It is much  
>> more difficult for the drummer to play in sync with a steady  
>> flashing (if he is able at all) than with a audio click. Simply try  
>> once dancing to the rythm of a stroboscope, and you will know what  
>> I am talking about.
>>
>> I don't know your musical circumstances, but I recommend to use a  
>> central master MIDI clock, and distribute clock this to the various  
>> gear, that shall be in sync. We[*] use a Roland SBX-80 for this  
>> task. For you a simple old drummachine might be better, because the  
>> drummer could use it as click at the same time.
>>
>> Florian
>>
>> [*]www.sphericlounge.de www.ambiosonics.de
>>
>>
>
> Todd Quincy,
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Hello loopers!

I'm trying to figure out something for a while, without much success,
and I thought that maybe someone could help me out with the issue:

I'm using a basic configuration of fcb1010, ableton live and
sooperlooper to play and record loops live (inspired by Zoe Keating's
setup).

If I'm using two different loopers, I would like to record the first
loop, and as soon as I press the switch to start recording the second
loop, I want that the first loop stops at the same time. The idea is
having independent loops that can function as A, B, C parts, so once I
trigger one, the other ones are stopped. Obviously I can't use the
overdub function to do that, and I didn't find a way to assign the
same switch to 2 different functions (i.e.: start recording loop2/
mute loop 1).
Any thoughts on this would be much appreciated. If there's any other
software that can do this (like Mobius), please let me know.
I hope my english is not so bad and my question is clear...
Cheers!
Alex

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Hi Alex,

What you need for this action is to use a looper that will let you
stack several alternative loops on the same track - just like the good
old EDP hardware looper does. Mobius can do it in software and Ableton
Live can do it if you skip over the Overdub functionality.

When I do this on my EDP or Mobius I use a either a command named
"Next Loop" or "Previous Loop". I may also go directly to a certain
loop, as in the command "Trig Loop 3".

On both the EDP and Mobius there is a certain global setting, for
preference, where you tell the looper what to do if the loop you are
going to is an still en empty slot. People like this different, but I
always keep this option as having the looper create a new emptpy loop
of one cycle's length in Overdub Mode; so you can keep on playing
seamlessly while building up an arrrangement.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Alexandre Klinke
<alexandre.klinke@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If I'm using two different loopers, I would like to record the first
> loop, and as soon as I press the switch to start recording the second
> loop, I want that the first loop stops at the same time. The idea is
> having independent loops that can function as A, B, C parts, so once I
> trigger one, the other ones are stopped. Obviously I can't use the
> overdub function to do that, and I didn't find a way to assign the
> same switch to 2 different functions (i.e.: start recording loop2/
> mute loop 1).
> Any thoughts on this would be much appreciated. If there's any other
> software that can do this (like Mobius), please let me know.
> I hope my english is not so bad and my question is clear...
> Cheers!

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perfect. what is or how do I build a relay?
tq


On Oct 6, 2009, at 4:29 PM, Matthias Grob wrote:

> The EDP has a 1/4" BeatSync output which is a short pulse which  
> could switch any lamp (through a relay) and its also audible, not  
> beautiful but clear!
>
>
> On 6 Oct 2009, at 12:46, Todd Quincy wrote:
>
>> Do you think the edp could trigger a a roland 660 drum machine to   
>> produce an audible click of the tempo set by the edp's midi clock?
>>
>> Also do you think the tempo light on the drum machine would  
>> activate - flash... that would solve it!
>>
>> tq
>>
>> On Oct 6, 2009, at 11:31 AM, Florian Anwander wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Todd
>>>
>>> Todd Quincy schrieb:
>>>> yes, let's hear it.!
>>>> Following the drummer who is following the looper is the real  
>>>> idea. I was just trying to make it more natural and less  
>>>> intrusive to the drummer.
>>> I recommend NOT to use light as a click. There are two reasons.
>>> * Steady flashing produces stress for your brain, while a steady  
>>> sound click is perceived as music and rhythm.
>>> * The brain reacts much slower on light than on sound. It is much  
>>> more difficult for the drummer to play in sync with a steady  
>>> flashing (if he is able at all) than with a audio click. Simply  
>>> try once dancing to the rythm of a stroboscope, and you will know  
>>> what I am talking about.
>>>
>>> I don't know your musical circumstances, but I recommend to use a  
>>> central master MIDI clock, and distribute clock this to the  
>>> various gear, that shall be in sync. We[*] use a Roland SBX-80 for  
>>> this task. For you a simple old drummachine might be better,  
>>> because the drummer could use it as click at the same time.
>>>
>>> Florian
>>>
>>> [*]www.sphericlounge.de www.ambiosonics.de
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Todd Quincy,
>> President, Quincy Creative, LLC
>> 513 253 0004
>>
>
>

Todd Quincy,
President, Quincy Creative, LLC
513 253 0004

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yea Zoe

I saw a piece about you in ASCAP's newsletter.  Pretty cool.

R

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On Oct 6, 2009, at 11:35 AM, Zoe Keating wrote:

> Amanda & I have been chatting about this quite a bit. Her strategy  
> is a different than many, including mine...but just as valid. First,  
> she is just as much a performance artist as musician, so the  
> webcasts and impromptu stage auctions (every night on our last tour  
> she would auction a signed guitar in the middle of the set) are all  
> a part of the show. Also, she doesn't make anything from her albums  
> and must find other sources of revenue.
>
> I blogged about money and music the previous day, if anyone is  
> interested:
>
> http://www.zoekeating.com/blog/2009/09/deep-thoughts-on-my-music-career.html
>
>
>
> On Oct 6, 2009, at 9:45 AM, richard sales wrote:
>
>> (Some modern) musicians are the only folks I know who will FIGHT  
>> for the right to give their work away.  It is SO weird!
>>
>> always happy to run into others who have to do crass, unartistic  
>> things like eat, pay rent/mortgage, buy the occasional pint, use  
>> modern transportation etc
>>
>> R
>> richard sales
>> www.glasswing.com
>> www.richardsales.com
>> www.hayleysales.com
>> On Oct 6, 2009, at 8:58 AM, Warren Sirota wrote:
>>
>>> thanks for posting the link. people's attitudes about art and  
>>> money are so f*kd.
>>>
>>>
>>> next?
>>>
>>> Amanda Palmer wrote this blog about making money on the internet
>>> and the attitudes of people she encounters who don't appreciate  
>>> her efforts
>>> at staying financially stable as an artist.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Warren
>>> http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6679
>>> http://www.warrensirota.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Hi Per, thanks for your quick response!
Do you know if there's a way to do that in Sooperlooper? I don't use
Mobius but I recently downloaded it, so I will try it in the next days
to see how this "previous/next loop" feature works.
Thanks again!
Alex


On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Alex,
>
> What you need for this action is to use a looper that will let you
> stack several alternative loops on the same track - just like the good
> old EDP hardware looper does. Mobius can do it in software and Ableton
> Live can do it if you skip over the Overdub functionality.
>
> When I do this on my EDP or Mobius I use a either a command named
> "Next Loop" or "Previous Loop". I may also go directly to a certain
> loop, as in the command "Trig Loop 3".
>
> On both the EDP and Mobius there is a certain global setting, for
> preference, where you tell the looper what to do if the loop you are
> going to is an still en empty slot. People like this different, but I
> always keep this option as having the looper create a new emptpy loop
> of one cycle's length in Overdub Mode; so you can keep on playing
> seamlessly while building up an arrrangement.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Alexandre Klinke
> <alexandre.klinke@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> If I'm using two different loopers, I would like to record the first
>> loop, and as soon as I press the switch to start recording the second
>> loop, I want that the first loop stops at the same time. The idea is
>> having independent loops that can function as A, B, C parts, so once I
>> trigger one, the other ones are stopped. Obviously I can't use the
>> overdub function to do that, and I didn't find a way to assign the
>> same switch to 2 different functions (i.e.: start recording loop2/
>> mute loop 1).
>> Any thoughts on this would be much appreciated. If there's any other
>> software that can do this (like Mobius), please let me know.
>> I hope my english is not so bad and my question is clear...
>> Cheers!
>
>

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On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Alexandre Klinke
<alexandre.klinke@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Per, thanks for your quick response!
> Do you know if there's a way to do that in Sooperlooper?

Yes. It isn't. SooperLooper does not support several alternative loops
on a track, in a linear way. It only supports several loops on
parallel tracks. But you can set up a home cooked command to mute one
loop while creating a new on another track. I think people that loop
with the Looperlative does that.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com

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>
> On 10/6/09, richard sales <richard@glasswing.com> wrote:
>> (Some modern) musicians are the only folks I know who will FIGHT for the
>> right to give their work away.  It is SO weird!
>>
>> always happy to run into others who have to do crass, unartistic things
>> like
>> eat, pay rent/mortgage, buy the occasional pint, use modern
>> transportation
>> etc
>>
>> R
>> richard sales
>> www.glasswing.com
>> www.richardsales.com
>> www.hayleysales.com
>> On Oct 6, 2009, at 8:58 AM, Warren Sirota wrote:
>> thanks for posting the link. people's attitudes about art and money are
>> so
>> f*kd.
>
>> > > next?
>> > >
>> > > Amanda Palmer wrote this blog about making money on the internet
>> > > and the attitudes of people she encounters who don't appreciate her
>> efforts
>> > > at staying financially stable as an artist.
>


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I'm using LIve and SooperLooper plus a Tech 21 MIDI Moose + MIDI  
Solutions Pedal Controller + Boss FV-500L stereo volume and expression  
pedal for control. Per is correct, you can setup multiple loops in  
SooperLooper. I'm not looking at in in the moment but in the  
SooperLooper menu you can add loops. The shortcut on a Mac is CMD 1  
adds a mono loop and CMD 2 adds a stereo loop. My default setup has  
four stereo loops but I've ran six before; if there is a limit I don't  
know what it is.

I have five buttons on the MIDI MOOSE, plus Up bank and Down bank. My  
current button assignments are:
1) Record / Overdub
2) Undo
3) Reverse
4) Next Loop
5) Prev Loop.

Truth is, I think I'll dump Prev Loop and replace it with another  
function as I can cycle with just Next Loop through four loops  
quickly. I use the Expression pedal to control the volume of the  
active loop.

Hope this helps,

Loren
On Oct 6, 2009, at 3:59 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

> Hi Alex,
>
> What you need for this action is to use a looper that will let you
> stack several alternative loops on the same track - just like the good
> old EDP hardware looper does. Mobius can do it in software and Ableton
> Live can do it if you skip over the Overdub functionality.
>
> When I do this on my EDP or Mobius I use a either a command named
> "Next Loop" or "Previous Loop". I may also go directly to a certain
> loop, as in the command "Trig Loop 3".
>
> On both the EDP and Mobius there is a certain global setting, for
> preference, where you tell the looper what to do if the loop you are
> going to is an still en empty slot. People like this different, but I
> always keep this option as having the looper create a new emptpy loop
> of one cycle's length in Overdub Mode; so you can keep on playing
> seamlessly while building up an arrrangement.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Alexandre Klinke
> <alexandre.klinke@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> If I'm using two different loopers, I would like to record the first
>> loop, and as soon as I press the switch to start recording the second
>> loop, I want that the first loop stops at the same time. The idea is
>> having independent loops that can function as A, B, C parts, so  
>> once I
>> trigger one, the other ones are stopped. Obviously I can't use the
>> overdub function to do that, and I didn't find a way to assign the
>> same switch to 2 different functions (i.e.: start recording loop2/
>> mute loop 1).
>> Any thoughts on this would be much appreciated. If there's any other
>> software that can do this (like Mobius), please let me know.
>> I hope my english is not so bad and my question is clear...
>> Cheers!
>

All the best,

Loren Claypool
genre-indifferent instrumental guitar music
www.lorenclaypool.com and links from there



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Dear Fabio,  I remember how entrancing this set was
when I was listening to it in real time.

I love your new direction..........it makes your ambient
approach intriguing, modern and well, emotionally complex.

I like that.

Thanks for posting it.

Wish you were here to do the set at Y2K9!

warmly,  Rick

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Hi folks,

I'll be doing video improv Saturday with one of my favorite high 
energy bands featuring many of Boston's finest musicians.

October 10 Saturday @ Lily Pad 10pm-1am $10 tickets
FMRJE in
Quantum Jams II/Dr.T Video Works

FMRJE is 21st century fusion
before it's time... , & you'll understand that immediately upon
listening (in th' old days, we called 'em jams, methinks). This goes much
further/deeper than just a jam session,
however... think Mahavishnu,
then perhaps Weather Report, maybe even Sharrock; or any other group with
opera length jazz fusion laced with heavy percussion.-Improvijazzation
Nation.

Quantum Jams II: Strong acid out funk jazz latin
By Full Metal Revolutionary Jazz Ensemble featuring:
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Shea-keyboard, Forbes Graham-trumpet, Jim Hobbs-alto saxophone, Hilary
Noble-tenor saxophone/flute/congas/percussion, David
Warren-electric
bass,
Jose Arroyo-congas/percussion, Dennis Warren-drums/timbales,

Dr.T Video Works.

Concert Info/Lily Pad directions:
http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/wbur/events.eventsmain?action=showEvent&eventID=938903
http://www.lily-pad.net/archives/2009/10/10/index.html#a004534

Earlier in the evening, Dennis will be doing a duet set with New York 
based pianist Chris Chalfant.

October 10 Saturday 7pm-9pm @ Lily Pad, $10 tickets
1353 Cambridge
st., Inman Sq.,Cambridge
New'd Music CD Release Concert Duet
Chris Chalfant-piano /  Dennis Warren-drums
Chris Chalfant..
swirling improvisations assimilate the directions and perspectives of Don
Pullen, Cecil Taylor, and Dave Burrell;highly original music.
http://www.chrischalfant.com Dennis Warren-drums: studied with Black music
theorists like trumpeter Bill Dixon and drummer Milford Graves, was around
to experience the tail end of that Free Jazz psychedelic epoch. 
http://www.fmrje.com




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Thanks to Rick and to each one fro the feedback.

Rick, I'd like to be at the Y2K9, you know....but it's not possible this
year.
Have fun for me, you and all my dear loopers !
Hope you'll enjoy it.

fabio
www.eterogeneo.com



2009/10/7 Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com>

> Dear Fabio,  I remember how entrancing this set was
> when I was listening to it in real time.
>
> I love your new direction..........it makes your ambient
> approach intriguing, modern and well, emotionally complex.
>
> I like that.
>
> Thanks for posting it.
>
> Wish you were here to do the set at Y2K9!
>
> warmly,  Rick
>
>

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<div>Thanks to Rick and to each one fro the feedback.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Rick, I&#39;d like to be at the Y2K9, you know....but it&#39;s not pos=
sible this year.</div>
<div>Have fun for me,=A0you and all my dear loopers !</div>
<div>Hope you&#39;ll enjoy it.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>fabio</div>
<div><a href=3D"http://www.eterogeneo.com/">www.eterogeneo.com</a></div>
<div><br><br>=A0</div>
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love your new direction..........it makes your ambient<br>
approach intriguing, modern and well, emotionally complex.<br><br>I like th=
at.<br><br>Thanks for posting it.<br><br>Wish you were here to do the set a=
t Y2K9!<br><br>warmly, =A0Rick<br><br></blockquote></div><br>

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Wow, I really had a great session last night w/ the EDP(4). I was just
doing some simple drum and bass stuff w/ the Handsonic and kept using
the feedback knob to layer in new stuff. I'm gonna do more of that
with a pedal and try some replace stuff too

This is one of the first times in a while I really felt like I broke
out of my own box, came unglued so to speak - and I got to wondering -
so I thought I'd ask some other EDP people if they have any other
tricks for transitions and overall smoothing out......?

Thanks,
Andy G.
(I'm such a lurker - I swear I'm gonna start recording and sharing
more tracks soon, I've just been busy jammin and learning :)

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someone wrote:
Artists of all walks should be compensated for their work and
intellectual property=E2=80=94

hmmm, i hear bits of my old prof. from grad school (mfa-painting & drawing)
coming out....& probably that & i'm turning into a cranky old man...
my 1st question: why should they be compensated?
next: who should compensate them?
next: the term "artist" is a VERY BROAD term, and is actually a relative ne=
w term, that
came about during the time of the renaissance (has to do w/ the idea of cra=
ftsmen becoming
'artists')...
i of course don't know great examples of music, but here are some
visual art examples:
1. in his lifetime (37 yrs) van gogh sold only one painting to his brother,=
 who
also basically supported him his whole life (poor vincent failed at every c=
areer he
tried), and now some 100+ past his death his paintings are amongst the most
valuable works of visual art around (he seems to compete w/ picasso and Kli=
mt-
which confuses me, in all my yrs of school KLIMT was never listed amongst t=
he "best"
"greatest", etc...so that one confuses me, there is no accounting for taste=
)...
reason why VG was bad in his lifetime: when people saw his works they
thought HE COULDN'T DRAW!!! his work did not conform to conventions of the =
time!
of course later folks looked to his work, he was influential, etc there you=
 have it.
sad note: his younger brother who supported him: died 6 mos after vincent..=
.

2. picasso-was supported by a number of "rich" benefactors, the main one ea=
rly
in his career was the steins (as in gertrude). you know the story on him, h=
is later
yrs he lived in castles, when he filled one up w/ work, he'd buy another...
when he died in '73, his estate was valued at over $500 million.

3. pollock was supported by peggy guggenhiem, then betty parsons in his lif=
etime (well
he did work in the WPA projects), but he never really saw the wealth that h=
is
work commanded after he died.

the point is: your work has to be seen/valued by someone in order for the w=
ork
to support your lifestyle. in these cases i've given it's wealthy people
who are in power (and this of course shifts as times change, in 1800s
it was railroads, banking, in 1900s it was oil, and now it's still oil, but
is shifting to technology too)
so yes, if your work is valued...you have a shot, there is no gaurentee tho=
ugh.
most of the stories seem to turn up like vincents, someone's work is discov=
ered
long after they are dead, and becomes valued by new generation for whatever=
 reason...
the fruits of that work are never seen by the original creator.
sadly stuff like this makes good press too (they are always interesting sto=
ries).
i'm not saying that you shouldn't be compensated, but the arts are a hard b=
usiness to
crack...who is your audience (and in the visual arts, we always talked abou=
t
most people have very little background information about art, so the audie=
nce is small
and uninformed)....

to any & all who live by the selling your goods as a creative individual
i salute you, i'm sure you have worked hard,i myself just never got there.
i think i've sold like 5 paintings in my life, hardly enough to live on, be=
lieve me.
how this relates to music/looping...you find the dots and draw them....
and to ZOE K: her blog on music and money was very interesting. a great rea=
d...
i did send it to a friend who's a professional musician, i thought she'd
find it interesting....and i thought amanda palmer's mode of working was
interesting and creative also.....
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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><pre>someone wrote:<br>Artists of all walks s=
hould be compensated for their work and<br>intellectual property=E2=80=94<b=
r><br>hmmm, i hear bits of my old prof. from grad school (mfa-painting &amp=
; drawing)<br>coming out....&amp; probably that &amp; i'm turning into a cr=
anky old man...<br>my 1st question: why should they be compensated?<br>next=
: who should compensate them?<br>next: the term "artist" is a VERY BROAD te=
rm, and is actually a relative new term, that<br>came about during the time=
 of the renaissance (has to do w/ the idea of craftsmen becoming<br>'artist=
s')...<br>i of course don't know great examples of music, but here are some=
<br>visual art examples:<br>1. in his lifetime (37 yrs) van gogh sold only =
one painting to his brother, who<br>also basically supported him his whole =
life (poor vincent failed at every career he<br>tried), and now some 100+ p=
ast his
 death his paintings are amongst the most<br>valuable works of visual art a=
round (he seems to compete w/ picasso and Klimt-<br>which confuses me, in a=
ll my yrs of school KLIMT was never listed amongst the "best"<br>"greatest"=
, etc...so that one confuses me, there is no accounting for taste)...<br>re=
ason why VG was bad in his lifetime: when people saw his works they<br>thou=
ght HE COULDN'T DRAW!!! his work did not conform to conventions of the time=
!<br>of course later folks looked to his work, he was influential, etc ther=
e you have it.<br>sad note: his younger brother who supported him: died 6 m=
os after vincent...<br><br>2. picasso-was supported by a number of "rich" b=
enefactors, the main one early<br>in his career was the steins (as in gertr=
ude). you know the story on him, his later<br>yrs he lived in castles, when=
 he filled one up w/ work, he'd buy another...<br>when he died in '73, his =
estate was valued at over $500 million.<br><br>3. pollock was
 supported by peggy guggenhiem, then betty parsons in his lifetime (well<br=
>he did work in the WPA projects), but he never really saw the wealth that =
his<br>work commanded after he died.<br><br>the point is: your work has to =
be seen/valued by someone in order for the work<br>to support your lifestyl=
e. in these cases i've given it's wealthy people<br>who are in power (and t=
his of course shifts as times change, in 1800s<br>it was railroads, banking=
, in 1900s it was oil, and now it's still oil, but<br>is shifting to techno=
logy too)<br>so yes, if your work is valued...you have a shot, there is no =
gaurentee though.<br>most of the stories seem to turn up like vincents, som=
eone's work is discovered<br>long after they are dead, and becomes valued b=
y new generation for whatever reason...<br>the fruits of that work are neve=
r seen by the original creator.<br>sadly stuff like this makes good press t=
oo (they are always interesting stories).<br>i'm not saying that you
 shouldn't be compensated, but the arts are a hard business to<br>crack...w=
ho is your audience (and in the visual arts, we always talked about<br>most=
 people have very little background information about art, so the audience =
is small<br>and uninformed)....<br><br>to any &amp; all who live by the sel=
ling your goods as a creative individual<br>i salute you, i'm sure you have=
 worked hard,i myself just never got there.<br>i think i've sold like 5 pai=
ntings in my life, hardly enough to live on, believe me.<br>how this relate=
s to music/looping...you find the dots and draw them....<br>and to ZOE K: h=
er blog on music and money was very interesting. a great read...<br>i did s=
end it to a friend who's a professional musician, i thought she'd<br>find i=
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Thanks a lot Per and Loren, I will try your suggestions in the next
days and post the results later on. I think that working with Mobius
is my best bet.

I have another question, which came to me after I was working on this
virtual guitar quartet idea:

I have four different loop tracks in Sooperlooper, I want them to work
as independent instruments, as in a real guitar quartet. What I'm
trying to achieve is recording the first loop (a 4 bar loop, for
example), then, as soon as I finish recording it, I hit record on the
second loop, while the first one starts looping at the same time. Then
the same thing with the third and fourth loops, each time I press REC
on a new track, the previous track starts looping. The result is the
same as in overdubbing, but this way I would have 4 independent tracks
that could be muted, erased, reversed etc...
Any thoughts on this?

Thanks for your help,

Alex


www.myspace.com/alexandreklinke

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Loren Claypool <looper@theclaypools.com> wrote:
> I'm using LIve and SooperLooper plus a Tech 21 MIDI Moose + MIDI Solutions
> Pedal Controller + Boss FV-500L stereo volume and expression pedal for
> control. Per is correct, you can setup multiple loops in SooperLooper. I'm
> not looking at in in the moment but in the SooperLooper menu you can add
> loops. The shortcut on a Mac is CMD 1 adds a mono loop and CMD 2 adds a
> stereo loop. My default setup has four stereo loops but I've ran six before;
> if there is a limit I don't know what it is.
>
> I have five buttons on the MIDI MOOSE, plus Up bank and Down bank. My
> current button assignments are:
> 1) Record / Overdub
> 2) Undo
> 3) Reverse
> 4) Next Loop
> 5) Prev Loop.
>
> Truth is, I think I'll dump Prev Loop and replace it with another function
> as I can cycle with just Next Loop through four loops quickly. I use the
> Expression pedal to control the volume of the active loop.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Loren
> On Oct 6, 2009, at 3:59 PM, Per Boysen wrote:
>
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> What you need for this action is to use a looper that will let you
>> stack several alternative loops on the same track - just like the good
>> old EDP hardware looper does. Mobius can do it in software and Ableton
>> Live can do it if you skip over the Overdub functionality.
>>
>> When I do this on my EDP or Mobius I use a either a command named
>> "Next Loop" or "Previous Loop". I may also go directly to a certain
>> loop, as in the command "Trig Loop 3".
>>
>> On both the EDP and Mobius there is a certain global setting, for
>> preference, where you tell the looper what to do if the loop you are
>> going to is an still en empty slot. People like this different, but I
>> always keep this option as having the looper create a new emptpy loop
>> of one cycle's length in Overdub Mode; so you can keep on playing
>> seamlessly while building up an arrrangement.
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.boysen.se
>> www.perboysen.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Alexandre Klinke
>> <alexandre.klinke@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> If I'm using two different loopers, I would like to record the first
>>> loop, and as soon as I press the switch to start recording the second
>>> loop, I want that the first loop stops at the same time. The idea is
>>> having independent loops that can function as A, B, C parts, so once I
>>> trigger one, the other ones are stopped. Obviously I can't use the
>>> overdub function to do that, and I didn't find a way to assign the
>>> same switch to 2 different functions (i.e.: start recording loop2/
>>> mute loop 1).
>>> Any thoughts on this would be much appreciated. If there's any other
>>> software that can do this (like Mobius), please let me know.
>>> I hope my english is not so bad and my question is clear...
>>> Cheers!
>>
>
> All the best,
>
> Loren Claypool
> genre-indifferent instrumental guitar music
> www.lorenclaypool.com and links from there
>
>
>
>

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hmm,
don't listen to him....he only invented it ;-)

The beatsync pulse is sent when Sync=Out.

..but it only sounds once every Cycle, not on every beat :-(

andy butler

Todd Quincy wrote:
> perfect. what is or how do I build a relay?
> tq
> 
> 
> On Oct 6, 2009, at 4:29 PM, Matthias Grob wrote:
> 
>> The EDP has a 1/4" BeatSync output which is a short pulse which could 
>> switch any lamp (through a relay) and its also audible, not beautiful 
>> but clear!
>>
>>
>> On 6 Oct 2009, at 12:46, Todd Quincy wrote:
>>
>>> Do you think the edp could trigger a a roland 660 drum machine to  
>>> produce an audible click of the tempo set by the edp's midi clock?
>>>
>>> Also do you think the tempo light on the drum machine would activate 
>>> - flash... that would solve it!
>>>
>>> tq
>>>
>>> On Oct 6, 2009, at 11:31 AM, Florian Anwander wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Todd
>>>>
>>>> Todd Quincy schrieb:
>>>>> yes, let's hear it.!
>>>>> Following the drummer who is following the looper is the real idea. 
>>>>> I was just trying to make it more natural and less intrusive to the 
>>>>> drummer.
>>>> I recommend NOT to use light as a click. There are two reasons.
>>>> * Steady flashing produces stress for your brain, while a steady 
>>>> sound click is perceived as music and rhythm.
>>>> * The brain reacts much slower on light than on sound. It is much 
>>>> more difficult for the drummer to play in sync with a steady 
>>>> flashing (if he is able at all) than with a audio click. Simply try 
>>>> once dancing to the rythm of a stroboscope, and you will know what I 
>>>> am talking about.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know your musical circumstances, but I recommend to use a 
>>>> central master MIDI clock, and distribute clock this to the various 
>>>> gear, that shall be in sync. We[*] use a Roland SBX-80 for this 
>>>> task. For you a simple old drummachine might be better, because the 
>>>> drummer could use it as click at the same time.
>>>>
>>>> Florian
>>>>
>>>> [*]www.sphericlounge.de www.ambiosonics.de
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Todd Quincy,
>>> President, Quincy Creative, LLC
>>> 513 253 0004
>>>
>>
>>
> 
> Todd Quincy,
> President, Quincy Creative, LLC
> 513 253 0004
> 
> 

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I am selling a few of my best guitarish items. I am hoping to find a good
home for these amazing creatures and thus posting to LD first :)

1. Vintage Ironwood 10 String Chapman Stick. I got this about two years
ago and haven't really mastered it. It is in great shape with new strings.
Original hard case with new foam. Plays, sounds amazing. I haven't taken
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2. Original 1966 Blackface Fender Princeton Reverb - Amazingly clean
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3. original 1965 Fender blackface Vibrochamp amp. You know the one. best
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Will gladly give more pics, info to any serious buyer. I think prices are
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I also have a 1970s vibrochamp (sliverface) in good shape that I would
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Please send a phone # to speed things up. Possible trades for very
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Alex,

I use the same conceptual approach of having multiple independent  
loops, however, I don't know how to "stack the commands" for stop  
record / next loop / start record in one push of the button. For me  
it's three button pushes. Perhaps someone else can provide some  
insight into combining commands into a macro command, etc.

All the best,

Loren Claypool
genre-indifferent instrumental guitar music
www.lorenclaypool.com and links from there

On Oct 7, 2009, at 2:25 PM, Alexandre Klinke wrote:

> Thanks a lot Per and Loren, I will try your suggestions in the next
> days and post the results later on. I think that working with Mobius
> is my best bet.
>
> I have another question, which came to me after I was working on this
> virtual guitar quartet idea:
>
> I have four different loop tracks in Sooperlooper, I want them to work
> as independent instruments, as in a real guitar quartet. What I'm
> trying to achieve is recording the first loop (a 4 bar loop, for
> example), then, as soon as I finish recording it, I hit record on the
> second loop, while the first one starts looping at the same time. Then
> the same thing with the third and fourth loops, each time I press REC
> on a new track, the previous track starts looping. The result is the
> same as in overdubbing, but this way I would have 4 independent tracks
> that could be muted, erased, reversed etc...
> Any thoughts on this?
>
> Thanks for your help,
>
> Alex




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If you're using Live with sooperlooper, midi clips might be the way to
go.  Check out the archives, there was a good discussion a few weeks
(month?)  back on using midi clips to send a bunch of commands with
one push of a button.
Sylvain

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Loren Claypool <looper@theclaypools.com> wrote:
> Alex,
>
> I use the same conceptual approach of having multiple independent loops,
> however, I don't know how to "stack the commands" for stop record / next
> loop / start record in one push of the button. For me it's three button
> pushes. Perhaps someone else can provide some insight into combining
> commands into a macro command, etc.
>
> All the best,
>
> Loren Claypool
> genre-indifferent instrumental guitar music
> www.lorenclaypool.com and links from there
>
> On Oct 7, 2009, at 2:25 PM, Alexandre Klinke wrote:
>
>> Thanks a lot Per and Loren, I will try your suggestions in the next
>> days and post the results later on. I think that working with Mobius
>> is my best bet.
>>
>> I have another question, which came to me after I was working on this
>> virtual guitar quartet idea:
>>
>> I have four different loop tracks in Sooperlooper, I want them to work
>> as independent instruments, as in a real guitar quartet. What I'm
>> trying to achieve is recording the first loop (a 4 bar loop, for
>> example), then, as soon as I finish recording it, I hit record on the
>> second loop, while the first one starts looping at the same time. Then
>> the same thing with the third and fourth loops, each time I press REC
>> on a new track, the previous track starts looping. The result is the
>> same as in overdubbing, but this way I would have 4 independent tracks
>> that could be muted, erased, reversed etc...
>> Any thoughts on this?
>>
>> Thanks for your help,
>>
>> Alex
>
>
>
>
>

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I've tried converting the program changes into CCs with no luck using
Midipipe. I noticed that some people are using this pedal though. How are
you making it talk with your software?

On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:

> Hi Jojo
>
> yes, that's the way I actually use MidiPipe with Mainstage:
> I was able to use the message converter to convert a specific CC number t=
o
> Program Change. But I wasn't able to specify the ProgChNumber either.
> So, the CC number becomes the ProgCh number. I have adapted the ProgCh
> numbers in the Mainstage patches instead.
>
> Routing shouldn't be difficult. I was able to add my midi controller in t=
he
> beginning (and also I think a component in the end) of the midipipe. It
> worked automatically.
>
> If you want to duplicate i.e. CC messages, you can also use the converter
> to convert a CC message and click the option to pass also the original
> message.
>
> best regards
>
> Buzap
>
>
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I&#39;ve tried converting the program changes into CCs with no luck using M=
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u making it talk with your software?<div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
>
On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Buzap Buzap <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
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Hi Jojo<br>
<br>
yes, that&#39;s the way I actually use MidiPipe with Mainstage:<br>
I was able to use the message converter to convert a specific CC number to =
Program Change. But I wasn&#39;t able to specify the ProgChNumber either.<b=
r>
So, the CC number becomes the ProgCh number. I have adapted the ProgCh numb=
ers in the Mainstage patches instead.<br>
<br>
Routing shouldn&#39;t be difficult. I was able to add my midi controller in=
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t worked automatically.<br>
<br>
If you want to duplicate i.e. CC messages, you can also use the converter t=
o convert a CC message and click the option to pass also the original messa=
ge.<br>
<br>
best regards<br>
<br>
Buzap<br>
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Not an issue running SooperLooper inside of Live, the buttons map fine  
using the SooperLooper MIDI map function. I spent a few minutes last  
weekend trying to map into the new Looper function that is included  
with Live 8 without any luck; I haven't put any effort into figuring  
that out but my suspicion was that Live Looper didn't want the default  
MIDI Moose messages.

All the best,

Loren Claypool
genre-indifferent instrumental guitar music
www.lorenclaypool.com and links from there


On Oct 7, 2009, at 3:48 PM, Jojo Hahn wrote:

> I've tried converting the program changes into CCs with no luck  
> using Midipipe. I noticed that some people are using this pedal  
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> What I'm trying to achieve is recording the first loop (a 4 bar loop, for
> example), then, as soon as I finish recording it, I hit record on the
> second loop, while the first one starts looping at the same time. Then
> the same thing with the third and fourth loops, each time I press REC
> on a new track, the previous track starts looping. The result is the
> same as in overdubbing, but this way I would have 4 independent tracks
> that could be muted, erased, reversed etc...

With Mobius there several ways to achieve this.  If you want to do
this all with a single footswitch you'll have to write a script which
we can help you with over in the Yahoo group
(groups.yahoo.com/group/zonemobius).  We just discussed this today
in fact so I encourage you to browse today's posts.

If you're willing to have two or three buttons, then one easy way is
to use the Track Copy mode.  Press Record to record the first track
then press Next Track to move to the next one making an empty copy of
the first track, overdub into this, then press Next Track again to
overdub into the third one.

Then there are the Track Sync modes which are a bit more flexible
but require more button presses. =20

Jeff


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Scott: These scenarios below are all moot points.  My basic argument is
against simply saying there's NO compelling reason to ask for compensation
for items such as: music downloads; use of your work in commercial projects=
;
sampling of your work in recognizable form. It's a disturbing trend to see
the expectation shifting from

"of course you pay for music . . . it's a product."

to >>>

"music should be free and all those making it should shut up and realize
that. I don't owe that dude I sampled ANYTHING, even though I'm making buck=
s
using his work."

> my 1st question: why should they be compensated?

The "artist" decides to commercially market their "goods". If no one buys,
fine. That gives no one the right to pirate their work and use it for their
own commercial purposes. These are the "rights" I'm discussing. I don't car=
e
if NOBODY want's to buy my product. It's my right to control the use and
resale of it.

> next: who should compensate them?

Whoever decides that they would like "the product" for themselves.  This is
basic commercial business ideology. Please don't suggest that what's mine
should somehow be available to other's FOR FREE, without my authorization.
That's called THEFT or PIRACY.

So before we lower our expectations to the assumption that music is groovy
and simply ephemerally floating on airwaves, let's consider that someone,
somewhere might have put a lot of time and effort into making that music
that maybe seems so ephemeral and "non-materialistic", and that if they
decide to charge for it, that's their own perogative.  I'm mostly opposed t=
o
the notion of the "open source" philosophy and that it's somehow going to b=
e
good for everyone.

Of course we all assign our own value judgement to every last thing we hear
and maybe certain individuals may believe their "product" is worth more tha=
n
the marketplace will bear. So be it.  People vote with their dollars.  If
PIRATES have decided to make every last recording available for free
somewhere on the internet without prior agreement with the copyright
authors, that's a CRIME, and IMO should be.  Yeah . . . we all like free,
but don't come to my house and expect me to give you my food, water, car
etc.

I shudder when ancient history (pre-industrial) is trotted out to somehow
justify further abuse of working people=97espousing a retrograde back-slide=
 to
an era when it was ok to have kids on assembly lines around the clock, and
certain folks had to ride in the back of the bus=97with the inference that
this was just how it was and might be a reality we could see again.  I don'=
t
buy it and abhor anyone even remotely suggesting it.

Yes there has always been "Starving Artists", but I'd prefer we retain some
minimal rights to protect our work while we're still alive.

--=20
Miko Biffle
Biffoz@Gmail.com
"Running scared from all the usual distractions!"

On 10/7/09, scott hansen <evanpeewee@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>  someone wrote:
> Artists of all walks should be compensated for their work and
> intellectual property=97
>
> hmmm, i hear bits of my old prof. from grad school (mfa-painting & drawin=
g)
> coming out....& probably that & i'm turning into a cranky old man...
>
> my 1st question: why should they be compensated?
> next: who should compensate them?
> next: the term "artist" is a VERY BROAD term, and is actually a relative =
new term, that
> came about during the time of the renaissance (has to do w/ the idea of c=
raftsmen becoming
>
> 'artists')...
> i of course don't know great examples of music, but here are some
> visual art examples:
> 1. in his lifetime (37 yrs) van gogh sold only one painting to his brothe=
r, who
> also basically supported him his whole life (poor vincent failed at every=
 career he
>
> tried), and now some 100+ past his
>  death his paintings are amongst the most
> valuable works of visual art around (he seems to compete w/ picasso and K=
limt-
> which confuses me, in all my yrs of school KLIMT was never listed amongst=
 the "best"
>
> "greatest", etc...so that one confuses me, there is no accounting for tas=
te)...
> reason why VG was bad in his lifetime: when people saw his works they
> thought HE COULDN'T DRAW!!! his work did not conform to conventions of th=
e time!
>
> of course later folks looked to his work, he was influential, etc there y=
ou have it.
> sad note: his younger brother who supported him: died 6 mos after vincent=
...
>
> 2. picasso-was supported by a number of "rich" benefactors, the main one =
early
>
> in his career was the steins (as in gertrude). you know the story on him,=
 his later
> yrs he lived in castles, when he filled one up w/ work, he'd buy another.=
..
> when he died in '73, his estate was valued at over $500 million.
>
>
> 3. pollock was
>  supported by peggy guggenhiem, then betty parsons in his lifetime (well
> he did work in the WPA projects), but he never really saw the wealth that=
 his
> work commanded after he died.
>
> the point is: your work has to be seen/valued by someone in order for the=
 work
>
> to support your lifestyle. in these cases i've given it's wealthy people
> who are in power (and this of course shifts as times change, in 1800s
> it was railroads, banking, in 1900s it was oil, and now it's still oil, b=
ut
>
> is shifting to technology too)
> so yes, if your work is valued...you have a shot, there is no gaurentee t=
hough.
> most of the stories seem to turn up like vincents, someone's work is disc=
overed
> long after they are dead, and becomes valued by new generation for whatev=
er reason...
>
> the fruits of that work are never seen by the original creator.
> sadly stuff like this makes good press too (they are always interesting s=
tories).
> i'm not saying that you
>  shouldn't be compensated, but the arts are a hard business to
>
> crack...who is your audience (and in the visual arts, we always talked ab=
out
> most people have very little background information about art, so the aud=
ience is small
> and uninformed)....
>
> to any & all who live by the selling your goods as a creative individual
>
>

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Scott: These scenarios below are all moot points.=A0 My basic
argument is against simply saying there&#39;s NO compelling reason to ask
for compensation for items such as: music downloads; use of your work
in commercial projects; sampling of your work in recognizable form.
It&#39;s a disturbing trend to see the expectation shifting from <br>
<br>
&quot;of course you pay for music . . . it&#39;s a product.&quot; <br>
<br>
to &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
<br>
&quot;music should be free and all those making it should shut up and
realize that. I don&#39;t owe that dude I sampled ANYTHING, even though I&#=
39;m
making bucks using his work.&quot;<br>
<br>
<pre>&gt; my 1st question: why should they be compensated?</pre>
The &quot;artist&quot; decides to commercially market their &quot;goods&quo=
t;. If no one
buys, fine. That gives no one the right to pirate their work and use it
for their own commercial purposes. These are the &quot;rights&quot; I&#39;m
discussing. I don&#39;t care if NOBODY want&#39;s to buy my product. It&#39=
;s my
right to control the use and resale of it.<br><br>
<pre>&gt; next: who should compensate them?</pre>
Whoever decides that they would like &quot;the product&quot; for
themselves.=A0 This is basic commercial business ideology. Please
don&#39;t suggest that what&#39;s mine should somehow be available to other=
&#39;s
FOR FREE, without my authorization. That&#39;s called THEFT or PIRACY.<br>
<br>
So before we lower our expectations to the assumption that music is
groovy and simply ephemerally floating on airwaves, let&#39;s consider that
someone, somewhere might have put a lot of time and effort into making
that music that maybe seems so ephemeral and &quot;non-materialistic&quot;,=
 and
that if they decide to charge for it, that&#39;s their own
perogative.=A0 I&#39;m mostly opposed to the notion of the &quot;open sourc=
e&quot;
philosophy and that it&#39;s somehow going to be good for everyone.<br>
<br>
Of course we all assign our own value judgement to every last thing we
hear and maybe certain individuals may believe their &quot;product&quot; is=
 worth
more than the marketplace will bear. So be it.=A0 People vote with
their dollars.=A0 If PIRATES have decided to make every last
recording available for free somewhere on the internet without prior
agreement with the copyright authors, that&#39;s a CRIME, and IMO should
be.=A0 Yeah . . . we all like free, but don&#39;t come to my house and
expect me to give you my food, water, car etc.<br>
<br>
I shudder when ancient history (pre-industrial) is trotted out to
somehow justify further abuse of working people=97espousing a retrograde
back-slide to an era when it was ok to have kids on assembly lines
around the clock, and certain folks had to ride in the back of the
bus=97with the inference that this was just how it was and might be a
reality we could see again.=A0 I don&#39;t buy it and abhor anyone even
remotely suggesting it.<br>
<br>
Yes there has always been &quot;Starving Artists&quot;, but I&#39;d prefer =
we retain
some minimal rights to protect our work while we&#39;re still alive.<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Miko Biffle<br>
Biffoz@Gmail.com<br>
&quot;Running scared from all the usual distractions!&quot;<br>
<br><div><span class=3D"gmail_quote">On 10/7/09, <b class=3D"gmail_senderna=
me">scott hansen</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:evanpeewee@yahoo.com" target=3D"=
_blank" onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">evanpeewee=
@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; paddi=
ng-left: 1ex;">

<table border=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0"><tbody><tr><td styl=
e=3D"font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font=
-weight: inherit; font-size: inherit; line-height: inherit; font-size-adjus=
t: inherit; font-stretch: inherit;" valign=3D"top">

<pre>someone wrote:<br>Artists of all walks should be compensated for their=
 work and<br>intellectual property=97<br><br>hmmm, i hear bits of my old pr=
of. from grad school (mfa-painting &amp; drawing)<br>coming out....&amp; pr=
obably that &amp; i&#39;m turning into a cranky old man...<br>
<br>my 1st question: why should they be compensated?<br>next: who should co=
mpensate them?<br>next: the term &quot;artist&quot; is a VERY BROAD term, a=
nd is actually a relative new term, that<br>came about during the time of t=
he renaissance (has to do w/ the idea of craftsmen becoming<br>
<br>&#39;artists&#39;)...<br>i of course don&#39;t know great examples of m=
usic, but here are some<br>visual art examples:<br>1. in his lifetime (37 y=
rs) van gogh sold only one painting to his brother, who<br>also basically s=
upported him his whole life (poor vincent failed at every career he<br>
<br>tried), and now some 100+ past his<br> death his paintings are amongst =
the most<br>valuable works of visual art around (he seems to compete w/ pic=
asso and Klimt-<br>which confuses me, in all my yrs of school KLIMT was nev=
er listed amongst the &quot;best&quot;<br>
<br>&quot;greatest&quot;, etc...so that one confuses me, there is no accoun=
ting for taste)...<br>reason why VG was bad in his lifetime: when people sa=
w his works they<br>thought HE COULDN&#39;T DRAW!!! his work did not confor=
m to conventions of the time!<br>
<br>of course later folks looked to his work, he was influential, etc there=
 you have it.<br>sad note: his younger brother who supported him: died 6 mo=
s after vincent...<br><br>2. picasso-was supported by a number of &quot;ric=
h&quot; benefactors, the main one early<br>
<br>in his career was the steins (as in gertrude). you know the story on hi=
m, his later<br>yrs he lived in castles, when he filled one up w/ work, he&=
#39;d buy another...<br>when he died in &#39;73, his estate was valued at o=
ver $500 million.<br>
<br><br>3. pollock was<br> supported by peggy guggenhiem, then betty parson=
s in his lifetime (well<br>he did work in the WPA projects), but he never r=
eally saw the wealth that his<br>work commanded after he died.<br><br>the p=
oint is: your work has to be seen/valued by someone in order for the work<b=
r>
<br>to support your lifestyle. in these cases i&#39;ve given it&#39;s wealt=
hy people<br>who are in power (and this of course shifts as times change, i=
n 1800s<br>it was railroads, banking, in 1900s it was oil, and now it&#39;s=
 still oil, but<br>
<br>is shifting to technology too)<br>so yes, if your work is valued...you =
have a shot, there is no gaurentee though.<br>most of the stories seem to t=
urn up like vincents, someone&#39;s work is discovered<br>long after they a=
re dead, and becomes valued by new generation for whatever reason...<br>
<br>the fruits of that work are never seen by the original creator.<br>sadl=
y stuff like this makes good press too (they are always interesting stories=
).<br>i&#39;m not saying that you<br> shouldn&#39;t be compensated, but the=
 arts are a hard business to<br>
<br>crack...who is your audience (and in the visual arts, we always talked =
about<br>most people have very little background information about art, so =
the audience is small<br>and uninformed)....<br><br>to any &amp; all who li=
ve by the selling your goods as a creative individual<br>
</pre></td></tr></tbody></table></blockquote></div>

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Nicely put Miko.

On Oct 7, 2009, at 3:43 PM, Miko Biffle wrote:

> Scott: These scenarios below are all moot points.  My basic argument =20=

> is against simply saying there's NO compelling reason to ask for =20
> compensation for items such as: music downloads; use of your work in =20=

> commercial projects; sampling of your work in recognizable form. =20
> It's a disturbing trend to see the expectation shifting from
>
> "of course you pay for music . . . it's a product."
>
> to >>>
>
> "music should be free and all those making it should shut up and =20
> realize that. I don't owe that dude I sampled ANYTHING, even though =20=

> I'm making bucks using his work."
>
> > my 1st question: why should they be compensated?
> The "artist" decides to commercially market their "goods". If no one =20=

> buys, fine. That gives no one the right to pirate their work and use =20=

> it for their own commercial purposes. These are the "rights" I'm =20
> discussing. I don't care if NOBODY want's to buy my product. It's my =20=

> right to control the use and resale of it.
>
> > next: who should compensate them?
> Whoever decides that they would like "the product" for themselves.  =20=

> This is basic commercial business ideology. Please don't suggest =20
> that what's mine should somehow be available to other's FOR FREE, =20
> without my authorization. That's called THEFT or PIRACY.
>
> So before we lower our expectations to the assumption that music is =20=

> groovy and simply ephemerally floating on airwaves, let's consider =20
> that someone, somewhere might have put a lot of time and effort into =20=

> making that music that maybe seems so ephemeral and "non-=20
> materialistic", and that if they decide to charge for it, that's =20
> their own perogative.  I'm mostly opposed to the notion of the "open =20=

> source" philosophy and that it's somehow going to be good for =20
> everyone.
>
> Of course we all assign our own value judgement to every last thing =20=

> we hear and maybe certain individuals may believe their "product" is =20=

> worth more than the marketplace will bear. So be it.  People vote =20
> with their dollars.  If PIRATES have decided to make every last =20
> recording available for free somewhere on the internet without prior =20=

> agreement with the copyright authors, that's a CRIME, and IMO should =20=

> be.  Yeah . . . we all like free, but don't come to my house and =20
> expect me to give you my food, water, car etc.
>
> I shudder when ancient history (pre-industrial) is trotted out to =20
> somehow justify further abuse of working people=97espousing a =20
> retrograde back-slide to an era when it was ok to have kids on =20
> assembly lines around the clock, and certain folks had to ride in =20
> the back of the bus=97with the inference that this was just how it was =
=20
> and might be a reality we could see again.  I don't buy it and abhor =20=

> anyone even remotely suggesting it.
>
> Yes there has always been "Starving Artists", but I'd prefer we =20
> retain some minimal rights to protect our work while we're still =20
> alive.
>
> --=20
> Miko Biffle
> Biffoz@Gmail.com
> "Running scared from all the usual distractions!"

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agreed, well said...

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Nicely put Miko.

On Oct 7, 2009, at 3:43 PM, Miko Biffle wrote:

> Scott: These scenarios below are all moot points.  My basic argument =20
> is against simply saying there's NO compelling reason to ask for =20
> compensation for items such as: music downloads; use of your work in =20
> commercial projects; sampling of your work in recognizable form. =20
> It's a disturbing trend to see the expectation shifting from
>
> "of course you pay for music . . . it's a product."
>
> to >>>
>
> "music should be free and all those making it should shut up and =20
> realize that. I don't owe that dude I sampled ANYTHING, even though =20
> I'm making bucks using his work."
>
> > my 1st question: why should they be compensated?
> The "artist" decides to commercially market their "goods". If no one =20
> buys, fine. That gives no one the right to pirate their work and use =20
> it for their own commercial purposes. These are the "rights" I'm =20
> discussing. I don't care if NOBODY want's to buy my product. It's my =20
> right to control the use and resale of it.
>
> > next: who should compensate them?
> Whoever decides that they would like "the product" for themselves.  =20
> This is basic commercial business ideology. Please don't suggest =20
> that what's mine should somehow be available to other's FOR FREE, =20
> without my authorization. That's called THEFT or PIRACY.
>
> So before we lower our expectations to the assumption that music is =20
> groovy and simply ephemerally floating on airwaves, let's consider =20
> that someone, somewhere might have put a lot of time and effort into =20
> making that music that maybe seems so ephemeral and "non-=20
> materialistic", and that if they decide to charge for it, that's =20
> their own perogative.  I'm mostly opposed to the notion of the "open =20
> source" philosophy and that it's somehow going to be good for =20
> everyone.
>
> Of course we all assign our own value judgement to every last thing =20
> we hear and maybe certain individuals may believe their "product" is =20
> worth more than the marketplace will bear. So be it.  People vote =20
> with their dollars.  If PIRATES have decided to make every last =20
> recording available for free somewhere on the internet without prior =20
> agreement with the copyright authors, that's a CRIME, and IMO should =20
> be.  Yeah . . . we all like free, but don't come to my house and =20
> expect me to give you my food, water, car etc.
>
> I shudder when ancient history (pre-industrial) is trotted out to =20
> somehow justify further abuse of working people=E2=80=94espousing a =20
> retrograde back-slide to an era when it was ok to have kids on =20
> assembly lines around the clock, and certain folks had to ride in =20
> the back of the bus=E2=80=94with the inference that this was just how it =
was =20
> and might be a reality we could see again.  I don't buy it and abhor =20
> anyone even remotely suggesting it.
>
> Yes there has always been "Starving Artists", but I'd prefer we =20
> retain some minimal rights to protect our work while we're still =20
> alive.
>
> --=20
> Miko Biffle
> Biffoz@Gmail.com
> "Running scared from all the usual distractions!"

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Well...uh...
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Thanks for all the insights on this subject, I've been trying to
figure out this issue by myself for some time, and now I am finally
seeing some light.
Cheers!
Alex

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> wro=
te:
>> What I'm trying to achieve is recording the first loop (a 4 bar loop, fo=
r
>> example), then, as soon as I finish recording it, I hit record on the
>> second loop, while the first one starts looping at the same time. Then
>> the same thing with the third and fourth loops, each time I press REC
>> on a new track, the previous track starts looping. The result is the
>> same as in overdubbing, but this way I would have 4 independent tracks
>> that could be muted, erased, reversed etc...
>
> With Mobius there several ways to achieve this. =A0If you want to do
> this all with a single footswitch you'll have to write a script which
> we can help you with over in the Yahoo group
> (groups.yahoo.com/group/zonemobius). =A0We just discussed this today
> in fact so I encourage you to browse today's posts.
>
> If you're willing to have two or three buttons, then one easy way is
> to use the Track Copy mode. =A0Press Record to record the first track
> then press Next Track to move to the next one making an empty copy of
> the first track, overdub into this, then press Next Track again to
> overdub into the third one.
>
> Then there are the Track Sync modes which are a bit more flexible
> but require more button presses.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>

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Just found this at the SooperLooper site, new feature in v1.6.14 -

- new bindable commands record_exclusive, record_exclusive_prev/next  
which first end any operations on other loops, then start recording on  
the specified/selected, or switch to the next/prev then record.  
exclusive record commands also select whatever loop they are applied  
to. I think this might be the function you are looking for?

All the best,

Loren Claypool
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www.lorenclaypool.com and links from there

On Oct 8, 2009, at 1:10 AM, Alexandre Klinke wrote:

> Thanks for all the insights on this subject, I've been trying to
> figure out this issue by myself for some time, and now I am finally
> seeing some light.
> Cheers!
> Alex
>




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Loren, this is f****** amazing!! I've been waiting for this a long
time. And I have to admit that I am a little bit lazy when it comes to
learning a new software, or understanding how midi clips work on
ableton, or stuff like that. I'm pretty happy to see that Sooperlooper
has this new feature, which will allow me to keep using it (since I'm
already familiar with it) and focus only on making music. Thanks a lot
for that!!
Take care,
Alex


On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:21 PM, Loren Claypool <looper@theclaypools.com> wrote:
> Just found this at the SooperLooper site, new feature in v1.6.14 -
>
> - new bindable commands record_exclusive, record_exclusive_prev/next which
> first end any operations on other loops, then start recording on the
> specified/selected, or switch to the next/prev then record. exclusive record
> commands also select whatever loop they are applied to. I think this might
> be the function you are looking for?
>
> All the best,
>
> Loren Claypool
> genre-indifferent instrumental guitar music
> www.lorenclaypool.com and links from there
>
> On Oct 8, 2009, at 1:10 AM, Alexandre Klinke wrote:
>
>> Thanks for all the insights on this subject, I've been trying to
>> figure out this issue by myself for some time, and now I am finally
>> seeing some light.
>> Cheers!
>> Alex
>>
>
>
>
>
>

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Hey guys!
Interesting points everybody.

I would like to make two small points here, but in my opinion, very
important.

1.
We all hear that they say "an artist has the right to decide what people do
with his creation".
However, I would challenge this statement and here's how.

A person can make a decision solely by himself ONLY if that decision affects
only him. As soon as the decision
affects not only him, but someone else too, it would be just to decide
together with the affected party. Moreover, this approach should not be
simplistic, meaning that in each particular case you have to analyze to what
degree the decision would influence all sides and thus give the more
affected side
more power in the making of a decision.

In case of music very often the situation will be that it affects the
musician indirectly, while the license that dictates what the public can or
cannot do
with the music affects everybody directly.

And so musician cannot be the only one who decides what everybody should do
with his music - musician and the public should decide on this together,
with
the public having a louder voice in the making of such a decision.
Saying that the artist as the "creator" should have more power to decide,
means elevating the personality of the artist above everybody else,
attempting
to say that being an artist means being the benefactor of society and that
society is now in debt to all artists. I personally do not believe this is
true.

I also do not believe that there can be a solid line dividing people into
artists and mere consumers. This is hardly the case.

2.
And in conclusion I would also like to point out that all these copyright
discussions heavily concentrate on the economic side of things, as if the
world
of art in all its complexity does not matter and the only significant part
of creativity is how much money people get. But this is not just simplistic,
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So in these discussions one must also weight the value of economics in art
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Hope this small insight is useful in spawning an intelligent and in-depth
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Louigi Verona.
http://www.louigiverona.ru

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Hey guys!<br>Interesting points everybody.<br><br>I would like to make two =
small points here, but in my opinion, very important.<br><br>1.<br>We all h=
ear that they say &quot;an artist has the right to decide what people do wi=
th his creation&quot;.<br>
However, I would challenge this statement and here&#39;s how.<br><br>A pers=
on can make a decision solely by himself ONLY if that decision affects only=
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, it would be just to decide together with the affected party. Moreover, th=
is approach should not be simplistic, meaning that in each particular case =
you have to analyze to what degree the decision would influence all sides a=
nd thus give the more affected side<br>
more power in the making of a decision.<br><br>In case of music very often =
the situation will be that it affects the musician indirectly, while the li=
cense that dictates what the public can or cannot do<br>with the music affe=
cts everybody directly.<br>
<br>And so musician cannot be the only one who decides what everybody shoul=
d do with his music - musician and the public should decide on this togethe=
r, with<br>the public having a louder voice in the making of such a decisio=
n.<br>
Saying that the artist as the &quot;creator&quot; should have more power to=
 decide, means elevating the personality of the artist above everybody else=
, attempting<br>to say that being an artist means being the benefactor of s=
ociety and that society is now in debt to all artists. I personally do not =
believe this is true.<br>
<br>I also do not believe that there can be a solid line dividing people in=
to artists and mere consumers. This is hardly the case.<br><br>2.<br>And in=
 conclusion I would also like to point out that all these copyright discuss=
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>
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wning an intelligent and in-depth discussion of this most interesting matte=
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<br>Louigi Verona.<br><a href=3D"http://www.louigiverona.ru">http://www.lou=
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Maybe I can add something valid from another perspective.

First, I thought the point of this particular thread was the economic  
side of things - we know about all the other aspects of art and they  
aren't under discussion here.  We're talking about having the dough to  
continue making art full-time.

I used to be an academic - a little blip in my life where I was  
involved in literary criticism. We had to publish articles and books,  
and in them, we had to quote. Seeing as how this was, for the most  
part, an exercise in CV enhancement (for the university as well as  
personally), there was no money involved and nobody cared - we could  
quote from living authors' copyrighted works for academic rather than  
commercial purposes, but the publisher still had to get permission.  
However, the minute there was money involved, every concerned party  
wanted to be paid, so right of use cost money. What's the problem?  
Someone is using someone else's creation - for which copyright and  
intellectual property rights exist - to make money, so permission must  
be had and fees or percentages paid.

How much sampling and remixing is for non-commercial use? Authors and  
performers and all of the other folks involved in the bit being used  
by the other person should be paid.

If so-called consumers want to sample and remix and post stuff and  
share it with their friends - non-commercial use - we seem to have  
another issue. The software company that made the stuff the remixer is  
using is paid, the internet provider is paid, the host site is paid -  
everyone seems to get paid except the people who make the content  
other people are playing with. Is that just? Sure, an artist can say  
"Go ahead - knock yourself out", but this is a pretty good example of  
how so many people put artists on another level, as if money isn't and  
doesn't need to be a part of their lives. Magari!!!  We have to eat,  
pay rent, buy stuff, some even have families and other economic  
responsibilities. What's wrong with paying artists for their work,  
just like everyone else with a legitimate gig?

It baffles me that people still think artists don't "knead the dough"  
or it isn't important. Sure, we do what we love - but lots of other  
people do, too, and get paid for it. Money may not be important in an  
abstract sense, but it sure is necessary living here in the West.

Doc Rossi

http://www.myspace.com/docrossi
http://www.myspace.com/bucheronnegalante
http://www.myspace.com/lesdexters
http://www.cmtra.org/spip.php?article3659
http://www.magnatune.com/artists/docrossi.html
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On Oct 8, 2009, at 10:38 AM, Louigi Verona wrote:

> Hey guys!
> Interesting points everybody.
>
> I would like to make two small points here, but in my opinion, very  
> important.
>
> 1.
> We all hear that they say "an artist has the right to decide what  
> people do with his creation".
> However, I would challenge this statement and here's how.
>
> A person can make a decision solely by himself ONLY if that decision  
> affects only him. As soon as the decision
> affects not only him, but someone else too, it would be just to  
> decide together with the affected party. Moreover, this approach  
> should not be simplistic, meaning that in each particular case you  
> have to analyze to what degree the decision would influence all  
> sides and thus give the more affected side
> more power in the making of a decision.
>
> In case of music very often the situation will be that it affects  
> the musician indirectly, while the license that dictates what the  
> public can or cannot do
> with the music affects everybody directly.
>
> And so musician cannot be the only one who decides what everybody  
> should do with his music - musician and the public should decide on  
> this together, with
> the public having a louder voice in the making of such a decision.
> Saying that the artist as the "creator" should have more power to  
> decide, means elevating the personality of the artist above  
> everybody else, attempting
> to say that being an artist means being the benefactor of society  
> and that society is now in debt to all artists. I personally do not  
> believe this is true.
>
> I also do not believe that there can be a solid line dividing people  
> into artists and mere consumers. This is hardly the case.
>
> 2.
> And in conclusion I would also like to point out that all these  
> copyright discussions heavily concentrate on the economic side of  
> things, as if the world
> of art in all its complexity does not matter and the only  
> significant part of creativity is how much money people get. But  
> this is not just simplistic, this
> is actually completely wrong. Art is much more than its economical  
> side of things, the side which was never uniform throughout the  
> history and which differs even today in many countries drastically.
>
> So in these discussions one must also weight the value of economics  
> in art versus other factors, such as spiritual value of art and  
> community value of art at the very least.
>
> Hope this small insight is useful in spawning an intelligent and in- 
> depth discussion of this most interesting matter.
>
> Louigi Verona.
> http://www.louigiverona.ru
>


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<html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Maybe I can add something valid =
from another perspective.<div><br></div><div>First, I thought the point =
of this particular thread was the economic side of things - we know =
about all the other aspects of art and they aren't under discussion =
here. &nbsp;We're talking about having the dough to continue making art =
full-time.</div><div><br></div><div>I used to be an academic - a little =
blip in my life where I was involved in literary criticism. We had to =
publish articles and books, and in them, we had to quote. Seeing as how =
this was, for the most part, an exercise in CV enhancement (for the =
university as well as personally), there was no money involved and =
nobody cared - we could quote from living authors' copyrighted works for =
academic rather than commercial purposes, but the publisher still had to =
get permission. However, the minute there was money involved, every =
concerned party wanted to be paid, so right&nbsp;of use cost money. =
What's the problem? Someone is using someone else's creation - for which =
copyright and intellectual property rights exist - to make money, so =
permission must be had and fees or percentages =
paid.</div><div><br></div><div>How much sampling and remixing is for =
non-commercial use? Authors and performers and all of the other folks =
involved in the bit being used by the other person should be =
paid.</div><div><br></div><div>If so-called consumers want to sample and =
remix and post stuff and share it with their friends - non-commercial =
use - we seem to have another issue. The software company that made the =
stuff the remixer is using is paid, the internet provider is paid, the =
host site is paid - everyone seems to get paid except the people who =
make the content other people are playing with. Is that just? Sure, an =
artist can say "Go ahead - knock yourself out", but this is a pretty =
good example of how so many people put artists on another level, as if =
money isn't and doesn't need to be a part of their lives. Magari!!! =
&nbsp;We have to eat, pay rent, buy stuff, some even have families and =
other economic responsibilities. What's wrong with paying artists for =
their work, just like everyone else with a legitimate =
gig?</div><div><br></div><div>It baffles me that people still think =
artists don't "knead the dough" or it isn't important. Sure, we do what =
we love - but lots of other people do, too, and get paid for it. Money =
may not be important in an abstract sense, but it sure is necessary =
living here in the West.</div><div><br></div><div>Doc =
Rossi</div><div><br><div apple-content-edited=3D"true"> <span =
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break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space; "><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><a =
href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/docrossi">http://www.myspace.com/docrossi</=
a>&nbsp;</div></div><div =
apple-content-edited=3D"true"><div><div><div><div><a =
href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/bucheronnegalante">http://www.myspace.com/b=
ucheronnegalante</a></div><div><a =
href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/lesdexters">http://www.myspace.com/lesdexte=
rs</a></div><div><a =
href=3D"http://www.cmtra.org/spip.php?article3659">http://www.cmtra.org/sp=
ip.php?article3659</a></div><div><a =
href=3D"http://www.magnatune.com/artists/docrossi.html">http://www.magnatu=
ne.com/artists/docrossi.html</a></div><div><a =
href=3D"http://www.adem.ch/Cours/rossi.html">http://www.adem.ch/Cours/ross=
i.html</a></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><=
/div></div></div></div></div></span></div><div><div>On Oct 8, 2009, at =
10:38 AM, Louigi Verona wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Hey =
guys!<br>Interesting points everybody.<br><br>I would like to make two =
small points here, but in my opinion, very important.<br><br>1.<br>We =
all hear that they say "an artist has the right to decide what people do =
with his creation".<br> However, I would challenge this statement and =
here's how.<br><br>A person can make a decision solely by himself ONLY =
if that decision affects only him. As soon as the decision<br>affects =
not only him, but someone else too, it would be just to decide together =
with the affected party. Moreover, this approach should not be =
simplistic, meaning that in each particular case you have to analyze to =
what degree the decision would influence all sides and thus give the =
more affected side<br> more power in the making of a decision.<br><br>In =
case of music very often the situation will be that it affects the =
musician indirectly, while the license that dictates what the public can =
or cannot do<br>with the music affects everybody directly.<br> <br>And =
so musician cannot be the only one who decides what everybody should do =
with his music - musician and the public should decide on this together, =
with<br>the public having a louder voice in the making of such a =
decision.<br> Saying that the artist as the "creator" should have more =
power to decide, means elevating the personality of the artist above =
everybody else, attempting<br>to say that being an artist means being =
the benefactor of society and that society is now in debt to all =
artists. I personally do not believe this is true.<br> <br>I also do not =
believe that there can be a solid line dividing people into artists and =
mere consumers. This is hardly the case.<br><br>2.<br>And in conclusion =
I would also like to point out that all these copyright discussions =
heavily concentrate on the economic side of things, as if the world<br> =
of art in all its complexity does not matter and the only significant =
part of creativity is how much money people get. But this is not just =
simplistic, this<br>is actually completely wrong. Art is much more than =
its economical side of things, the side which was never uniform =
throughout the history and which differs even today in many countries =
drastically.<br> <br>So in these discussions one must also weight the =
value of economics in art versus other factors, such as spiritual value =
of art and community value of art at the very least.<br><br>Hope this =
small insight is useful in spawning an intelligent and in-depth =
discussion of this most interesting matter.<br> <br>Louigi Verona.<br><a =
href=3D"http://www.louigiverona.ru">http://www.louigiverona.ru</a><br><br>=
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At 3:43 PM -0700 10/7/09, Miko Biffle wrote:
>
>  > next: who should compensate them?
>Whoever decides that they would like "the product" for themselves. 
>This is basic commercial business ideology. Please don't suggest 
>that what's mine should somehow be available to other's FOR FREE, 
>without my authorization. That's called THEFT or PIRACY.

Wait a second: I think we're going off on a -- while perfectly 
valuable -- tangent, it is a tangent nonetheless.  Not to drop the 
main topic entirely, I don't think the crux of the main argument has 
much to do with piracy per se.

Rather, I think we should remember that what we're truly dealing with 
is the simple and easy commodification of music and "art".

In recent years, technology has made it easy to produce music on 
one's home PC that is technically far superior to anything that was 
readily produced in professional studios only a couple of decades 
ago.  This has enabled many, many, many, more people to realize their 
musical aspirations than has been possible at any other time in 
history.  We all know that already, and I think very few of us view 
it as a bad thing.

The problem, however, is what happens to that music once it has been produced.

Well, a lot of it is put out there for free, as a labor of love. 
This, for better or worse, has created a glut in the market.  You can 
download hours upon hours of high-quality music without ever even 
being asked for a cent in return.

So, the issue is not an audience that demands, "Give us your music 
for free or we will pirate it anyway."  No, the issue is rather that 
the audience is saying, "If your music isn't free, then we'll just go 
download music from Joe over there, who *is* giving it away for free."

The argument deals with the de-valuation of music, not whether it's 
being "stolen".

And, like I said, the threads on piracy are valuable and should 
continue as a side-discussion.  However, I believe that de-valuation 
of music (and "art" in general) is a more difficult -- as well as a 
more important and long-ranging -- issue.  So I, for one, don't wish 
for that point to get lost in a wash of anti-piracy sentiments.

Thoughts...?

	--m.
-- 
_____
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Thanks for putting me back on track - I got swallowed up in the whole  
piracy thing, too.   Value is a tricky subject - but for the purposes  
of this thread we have to think of value exclusively in economic terms  
rather than any other kind. That said, sure, art and music as  
commodities are dropping in value. The whole technology thing - which  
is great - is also in a way devaluing the jobs of professional artist,  
musician, producer and recording engineer. I guess the only thing pros  
can do is give some kind of added value - better quality art, sound,  
production. Something that people are willing to pay for.  I wonder  
how much longer people will pay for it. We have the opportunity now of  
producing very high fidelity recordings, but people listen to MP3s and  
seem to think they're fine.


On Oct 8, 2009, at 12:00 PM, Mech wrote:

> At 3:43 PM -0700 10/7/09, Miko Biffle wrote:
>>
>> > next: who should compensate them?
>> Whoever decides that they would like "the product" for themselves.  
>> This is basic commercial business ideology. Please don't suggest  
>> that what's mine should somehow be available to other's FOR FREE,  
>> without my authorization. That's called THEFT or PIRACY.
>
> Wait a second: I think we're going off on a -- while perfectly  
> valuable -- tangent, it is a tangent nonetheless.  Not to drop the  
> main topic entirely, I don't think the crux of the main argument has  
> much to do with piracy per se.
>
> Rather, I think we should remember that what we're truly dealing  
> with is the simple and easy commodification of music and "art".
>
> In recent years, technology has made it easy to produce music on  
> one's home PC that is technically far superior to anything that was  
> readily produced in professional studios only a couple of decades  
> ago.  This has enabled many, many, many, more people to realize  
> their musical aspirations than has been possible at any other time  
> in history.  We all know that already, and I think very few of us  
> view it as a bad thing.
>
> The problem, however, is what happens to that music once it has been  
> produced.
>
> Well, a lot of it is put out there for free, as a labor of love.  
> This, for better or worse, has created a glut in the market.  You  
> can download hours upon hours of high-quality music without ever  
> even being asked for a cent in return.
>
> So, the issue is not an audience that demands, "Give us your music  
> for free or we will pirate it anyway."  No, the issue is rather that  
> the audience is saying, "If your music isn't free, then we'll just  
> go download music from Joe over there, who *is* giving it away for  
> free."
>
> The argument deals with the de-valuation of music, not whether it's  
> being "stolen".
>
> And, like I said, the threads on piracy are valuable and should  
> continue as a side-discussion.  However, I believe that de-valuation  
> of music (and "art" in general) is a more difficult -- as well as a  
> more important and long-ranging -- issue.  So I, for one, don't wish  
> for that point to get lost in a wash of anti-piracy sentiments.
>
> Thoughts...?
>
> 	--m.
> -- 
> _____
> "beyond this window, night is shuddering and the earth grinds to a  
> halt
>   beyond this window, something unknown is watching you and me...."
>

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If you are talking about things in economical side of things only, your
conclusions should be limited to economical side of things as well. But what
happens in this discussion, is that things are analyzed from economical side
of things only and then the conclusion is applyed to the situation as a
whole. For instance - economically, music "industry" gets less profit
because of filesharing and remixing, thus filesharing and remixing should
stop. In this example the conclusion which comes from looking at economical
side of things only is being applied to the situation as a whole. This is
where the common reasoning has a flaw.

To "unflaw" it, one must, having made his economic analysis, then put it
into the whole picture and see to what degree the economical analysis should
be applied in different situations and to what end.
And this, I tell you, is not a simple discussion where you can just write
something in CAPS and prove your point.

Louigi.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:22 PM, doc rossi <docittern@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for putting me back on track - I got swallowed up in the whole
> piracy thing, too.   Value is a tricky subject - but for the purposes of
> this thread we have to think of value exclusively in economic terms rather
> than any other kind. That said, sure, art and music as commodities are
> dropping in value. The whole technology thing - which is great - is also in
> a way devaluing the jobs of professional artist, musician, producer and
> recording engineer. I guess the only thing pros can do is give some kind of
> added value - better quality art, sound, production. Something that people
> are willing to pay for.  I wonder how much longer people will pay for it. We
> have the opportunity now of producing very high fidelity recordings, but
> people listen to MP3s and seem to think they're fine.
>
>
>
> On Oct 8, 2009, at 12:00 PM, Mech wrote:
>
>  At 3:43 PM -0700 10/7/09, Miko Biffle wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> > next: who should compensate them?
>>> Whoever decides that they would like "the product" for themselves. This
>>> is basic commercial business ideology. Please don't suggest that what's mine
>>> should somehow be available to other's FOR FREE, without my authorization.
>>> That's called THEFT or PIRACY.
>>>
>>
>> Wait a second: I think we're going off on a -- while perfectly valuable --
>> tangent, it is a tangent nonetheless.  Not to drop the main topic entirely,
>> I don't think the crux of the main argument has much to do with piracy per
>> se.
>>
>> Rather, I think we should remember that what we're truly dealing with is
>> the simple and easy commodification of music and "art".
>>
>> In recent years, technology has made it easy to produce music on one's
>> home PC that is technically far superior to anything that was readily
>> produced in professional studios only a couple of decades ago.  This has
>> enabled many, many, many, more people to realize their musical aspirations
>> than has been possible at any other time in history.  We all know that
>> already, and I think very few of us view it as a bad thing.
>>
>> The problem, however, is what happens to that music once it has been
>> produced.
>>
>> Well, a lot of it is put out there for free, as a labor of love. This, for
>> better or worse, has created a glut in the market.  You can download hours
>> upon hours of high-quality music without ever even being asked for a cent in
>> return.
>>
>> So, the issue is not an audience that demands, "Give us your music for
>> free or we will pirate it anyway."  No, the issue is rather that the
>> audience is saying, "If your music isn't free, then we'll just go download
>> music from Joe over there, who *is* giving it away for free."
>>
>> The argument deals with the de-valuation of music, not whether it's being
>> "stolen".
>>
>> And, like I said, the threads on piracy are valuable and should continue
>> as a side-discussion.  However, I believe that de-valuation of music (and
>> "art" in general) is a more difficult -- as well as a more important and
>> long-ranging -- issue.  So I, for one, don't wish for that point to get lost
>> in a wash of anti-piracy sentiments.
>>
>> Thoughts...?
>>
>>        --m.
>> --
>> _____
>> "beyond this window, night is shuddering and the earth grinds to a halt
>>  beyond this window, something unknown is watching you and me...."
>>
>>
>

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If you are talking about things in economical side of things only, your con=
clusions should be limited to economical side of things as well. But what h=
appens in this discussion, is that things are analyzed from economical side=
 of things only and then the conclusion is applyed to the situation as a wh=
ole. For instance - economically, music &quot;industry&quot; gets less prof=
it because of filesharing and remixing, thus filesharing and remixing shoul=
d stop. In this example the conclusion which comes from looking at economic=
al side of things only is being applied to the situation as a whole. This i=
s where the common reasoning has a flaw.<br>
<br>To &quot;unflaw&quot; it, one must, having made his economic analysis, =
then put it into the whole picture and see to what degree the economical an=
alysis should be applied in different situations and to what end.<br>And th=
is, I tell you, is not a simple discussion where you can just write somethi=
ng in CAPS and prove your point.<br>
<br>Louigi.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:22 P=
M, doc rossi <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:docittern@gmail.com">d=
ocittern@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt =
0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Thanks for putting me back on track - I got swallowed up in the whole pirac=
y thing, too. =A0 Value is a tricky subject - but for the purposes of this =
thread we have to think of value exclusively in economic terms rather than =
any other kind. That said, sure, art and music as commodities are dropping =
in value. The whole technology thing - which is great - is also in a way de=
valuing the jobs of professional artist, musician, producer and recording e=
ngineer. I guess the only thing pros can do is give some kind of added valu=
e - better quality art, sound, production. Something that people are willin=
g to pay for. =A0I wonder how much longer people will pay for it. We have t=
he opportunity now of producing very high fidelity recordings, but people l=
isten to MP3s and seem to think they&#39;re fine.<div>
<div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
<br>
On Oct 8, 2009, at 12:00 PM, Mech wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
At 3:43 PM -0700 10/7/09, Miko Biffle wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
&gt; next: who should compensate them?<br>
Whoever decides that they would like &quot;the product&quot; for themselves=
. This is basic commercial business ideology. Please don&#39;t suggest that=
 what&#39;s mine should somehow be available to other&#39;s FOR FREE, witho=
ut my authorization. That&#39;s called THEFT or PIRACY.<br>

</blockquote>
<br>
Wait a second: I think we&#39;re going off on a -- while perfectly valuable=
 -- tangent, it is a tangent nonetheless. =A0Not to drop the main topic ent=
irely, I don&#39;t think the crux of the main argument has much to do with =
piracy per se.<br>

<br>
Rather, I think we should remember that what we&#39;re truly dealing with i=
s the simple and easy commodification of music and &quot;art&quot;.<br>
<br>
In recent years, technology has made it easy to produce music on one&#39;s =
home PC that is technically far superior to anything that was readily produ=
ced in professional studios only a couple of decades ago. =A0This has enabl=
ed many, many, many, more people to realize their musical aspirations than =
has been possible at any other time in history. =A0We all know that already=
, and I think very few of us view it as a bad thing.<br>

<br>
The problem, however, is what happens to that music once it has been produc=
ed.<br>
<br>
Well, a lot of it is put out there for free, as a labor of love. This, for =
better or worse, has created a glut in the market. =A0You can download hour=
s upon hours of high-quality music without ever even being asked for a cent=
 in return.<br>

<br>
So, the issue is not an audience that demands, &quot;Give us your music for=
 free or we will pirate it anyway.&quot; =A0No, the issue is rather that th=
e audience is saying, &quot;If your music isn&#39;t free, then we&#39;ll ju=
st go download music from Joe over there, who *is* giving it away for free.=
&quot;<br>

<br>
The argument deals with the de-valuation of music, not whether it&#39;s bei=
ng &quot;stolen&quot;.<br>
<br>
And, like I said, the threads on piracy are valuable and should continue as=
 a side-discussion. =A0However, I believe that de-valuation of music (and &=
quot;art&quot; in general) is a more difficult -- as well as a more importa=
nt and long-ranging -- issue. =A0So I, for one, don&#39;t wish for that poi=
nt to get lost in a wash of anti-piracy sentiments.<br>

<br>
Thoughts...?<br>
<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--m.<br>
-- <br>
_____<br>
&quot;beyond this window, night is shuddering and the earth grinds to a hal=
t<br>
 =A0beyond this window, something unknown is watching you and me....&quot;<=
br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br>

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Dear List members:
Sometimes I'm reluctant to post events here because I've dropped off in
activity as of late.  Nevertheless, I wanted you to know of this interesting
series of concerts featuring a lot of folks who loop.  Tonight, for
instance, myself and Bora Yoon.

The festival is coordinated with the AES (Audio Engineering Society)
Conference this weekend, and is sponsored by Ableton, Cycling '74 and
Eventide, among others.

I'll also be giving a free clinic on Max4Live on Saturday night at 6.30.

Here's the link for scheduling of all the events below.  I'll be at every
one of them I'm sure (if there's room), so come say hi.

If you do get the urge to join us on any given night, do get tix early.
 These events might sell out and it's just not a huge room.

Wishing you all the very best in your respect musical and personal lives.

Todd



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n.=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>The festival is coordinated with the AES (Audio Enginee=
ring Society) Conference this weekend, and is sponsored by Ableton, Cycling=
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also be giving a free clinic on Max4Live on Saturday night at 6.30.=A0</div=
>
<div><br></div><div>Here&#39;s the link for scheduling of all the events be=
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I had a college prof tell me once (this was some time ago..)
that records really don't make money for an artist or the label
that puts out the record unless it goes gold or platinum.
Now this of course was way before the interwebs blew up
completely.
I myself have an older album that I've never done much with.
Now it feels like I should put this out there and try to capitalize
on it, and that would be grand thing for myself.  Sometimes
I feel that I should give it away for reasons of popularity, or
in today's terms - traffic. Then I'll have some notoriety while
I make another album and try to sell that one.
But, the truth of that matter is that the content on the web
and the popularity of particular content can go stale so fast,
here today gone tomorrow.
Perhaps the best thing to do would be to just set up my album
for sale and then pull some crazy YouTube thing or some other
outrageous marketing stunt to feed the traffic.
None the less, this is great topic - Thanks to all for the inspiration.

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On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Loaf citious <loafcitious@gmail.com> wrote:
> I had a college prof tell me once (this was some time ago..)
> that records really don't make money for an artist or the label
> that puts out the record unless it goes gold or platinum.

That's correct. The stat's were that most record labels lost money on
eight artist signings while the ninth went sky rocket with an album
and brought dough to cover for the unlucky eight. Over the last decade
those margins are lost and today every new project needs to be
economically successful.


> Perhaps the best thing to do would be to just set up my album
> for sale and then pull some crazy YouTube thing or some other
> outrageous marketing stunt to feed the traffic.

That seems to be a good strategy. However, the market might be smaller
now if measured in how much money one can make on selling recordings
of music, but if measuring by what people are listening to and
appreciating the market is much wider today; much more segmented too.
Smaller quantities sold within each segment but many more segments for
exclusive music to find a buyer. This may be good or bad for you
depending on the type of music you offer.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com

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Hello

Loaf citious schrieb:
> I had a college prof tell me once (this was some time ago..)
> that records really don't make money for an artist or the label
> that puts out the record unless it goes gold or platinum.
> Now this of course was way before the interwebs blew up
> completely.
This is true. At the pre-web aera the real earnings came from the 
royalties payed by the radio and TV. And radio based airplay featured 
again the sales of the hardware media.


> I myself have an older album that I've never done much with.
> Now it feels like I should put this out there and try to capitalize
> on it, and that would be grand thing for myself.  
I only can encourage you. I wanted to do so too, unfortunately my 
co-author had died some years ago and the legal heirs did not agree with 
this publishing.

> Perhaps the best thing to do would be to just set up my album
> for sale and then pull some crazy YouTube thing or some other
> outrageous marketing stunt to feed the traffic.
Don't underestimate this part. It is a lot of work. And what looks funny 
and easy on youtube is typically done by very clever and specialized 
marketing companies.

> None the less, this is great topic - Thanks to all for the inspiration.
I agree (though I was a little bit disgusted by the original posting 
blog-entry).

Florian

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Please respond to Mona Krebs <M.Krebs@Panama.de>, not to me - they are an advertising agency and need a livelooper who can play some very short sets on a trade fair in Dusseldorf/Germany in two days in January. Their customer deals with paper, so they imagine something that utilizes paper as a sound source in the music. I don't want to do this myself but maybe one of you feels like it.

Please respond quickly if interested.  

-Michael

p.s. I don't read the LD list at the moment because I'm travelling and my web client doesn't display the list correctly, so I won't be able to answer any questions about this


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Thanks Mech,

Yes, I agree. The larger issue of devaluation has more wide-ranging
impact than merely trying to retain your economic rights as author and
somehow find a place in the market.  It's a daunting issue and with
the hordes of lemming musicians (including me) swarming all over the
web, I believe we are seeing the demise of the "professional" musician
model.

As for spiritual, artistic, academic discourse=97it should be completely
open and vibrant as Louigi states! I'm not about to say anyone should
feel certain feelings or not quote other artists.  It's just that
pesky economic model and authorship issue that keeps being dismissed.
I simply refuse to believe it's just down the drain and gone.

Devaluation . . . possibly the death of an entire era and the end of
livlihood for a great many out there.  I'll still do art and have,
with little or no compensation, my entire life.  -m

On 10/8/09, Mech <mech@m3ch.net> wrote:
> At 3:43 PM -0700 10/7/09, Miko Biffle wrote:
>
> >
> >  > next: who should compensate them?
> > Whoever decides that they would like "the product" for themselves. This=
 is
> basic commercial business ideology. Please don't suggest that what's mine
> should somehow be available to other's FOR FREE, without my authorization=
.
> That's called THEFT or PIRACY.
> >
>
>  Wait a second: I think we're going off on a -- while perfectly valuable =
--
> tangent, it is a tangent nonetheless.  Not to drop the main topic entirel=
y,
> I don't think the crux of the main argument has much to do with piracy pe=
r
> se.
>
>  Rather, I think we should remember that what we're truly dealing with is
> the simple and easy commodification of music and "art".
>
>  In recent years, technology has made it easy to produce music on one's h=
ome
> PC that is technically far superior to anything that was readily produced=
 in
> professional studios only a couple of decades ago.  This has enabled many=
,
> many, many, more people to realize their musical aspirations than has bee=
n
> possible at any other time in history.  We all know that already, and I
> think very few of us view it as a bad thing.
>
>  The problem, however, is what happens to that music once it has been
> produced.
>
>  Well, a lot of it is put out there for free, as a labor of love. This, f=
or
> better or worse, has created a glut in the market.  You can download hour=
s
> upon hours of high-quality music without ever even being asked for a cent=
 in
> return.
>
>  So, the issue is not an audience that demands, "Give us your music for f=
ree
> or we will pirate it anyway."  No, the issue is rather that the audience =
is
> saying, "If your music isn't free, then we'll just go download music from
> Joe over there, who *is* giving it away for free."
>
>  The argument deals with the de-valuation of music, not whether it's bein=
g
> "stolen".
>
>  And, like I said, the threads on piracy are valuable and should continue=
 as
> a side-discussion.  However, I believe that de-valuation of music (and "a=
rt"
> in general) is a more difficult -- as well as a more important and
> long-ranging -- issue.  So I, for one, don't wish for that point to get l=
ost
> in a wash of anti-piracy sentiments.
>
>  Thoughts...?
>
>         --m.

--=20
Miko Biffle
Biffoz@Gmail.com
"Running scared from all the usual distractions!"

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um yeah,I've never come out against so called "piracy" at all.  i  
don't think any of the original posts are about file sharing.

about file sharing though....i think...acutally i know...that the  
majority of the public has no idea how musicians make a living.
when they become enlightened, listeners/fans tend to step up to the  
plate and give money directly to the artists they like.

in my experience, when people know they are supporting an artist  
directly, they will pay for music (or buy a tshirt)...even if they  
download everything and never pay for albums.
it happens to me all the time.
i don't sell merch because i have a problem with "stuff".
so, often people buy my cds on paypal and tell me in the notes not to  
send one...because they bit torrented the album long ago and just want  
to support me.



On Oct 8, 2009, at 3:00 AM, Mech wrote:

> At 3:43 PM -0700 10/7/09, Miko Biffle wrote:
>>
>> > next: who should compensate them?
>> Whoever decides that they would like "the product" for themselves.  
>> This is basic commercial business ideology. Please don't suggest  
>> that what's mine should somehow be available to other's FOR FREE,  
>> without my authorization. That's called THEFT or PIRACY.
>
> Wait a second: I think we're going off on a -- while perfectly  
> valuable -- tangent, it is a tangent nonetheless.  Not to drop the  
> main topic entirely, I don't think the crux of the main argument has  
> much to do with piracy per se.
>
> Rather, I think we should remember that what we're truly dealing  
> with is the simple and easy commodification of music and "art".
>
> In recent years, technology has made it easy to produce music on  
> one's home PC that is technically far superior to anything that was  
> readily produced in professional studios only a couple of decades  
> ago.  This has enabled many, many, many, more people to realize  
> their musical aspirations than has been possible at any other time  
> in history.  We all know that already, and I think very few of us  
> view it as a bad thing.
>
> The problem, however, is what happens to that music once it has been  
> produced.
>
> Well, a lot of it is put out there for free, as a labor of love.  
> This, for better or worse, has created a glut in the market.  You  
> can download hours upon hours of high-quality music without ever  
> even being asked for a cent in return.
>
> So, the issue is not an audience that demands, "Give us your music  
> for free or we will pirate it anyway."  No, the issue is rather that  
> the audience is saying, "If your music isn't free, then we'll just  
> go download music from Joe over there, who *is* giving it away for  
> free."
>
> The argument deals with the de-valuation of music, not whether it's  
> being "stolen".
>
> And, like I said, the threads on piracy are valuable and should  
> continue as a side-discussion.  However, I believe that de-valuation  
> of music (and "art" in general) is a more difficult -- as well as a  
> more important and long-ranging -- issue.  So I, for one, don't wish  
> for that point to get lost in a wash of anti-piracy sentiments.
>
> Thoughts...?
>
> 	--m.
> -- 
> _____
> "beyond this window, night is shuddering and the earth grinds to a  
> halt
>   beyond this window, something unknown is watching you and me...."
>

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various products?

found this on the net. but i am not sure how good it is.
http://ubertar.com/hexaphonic/

thanks and best.

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you can use a standard roland gk, yamaha or axon hex pickup with the RMC
fanout box - http://www.rmcpickup.com/fanoutbox.html

sim

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Erdem Helvacioglu <erdemhel@tnn.net> wrote:

>  Hi,
>
> I am looking for a hexaphonic pickup with a breakout box with 6 outputs.
> will connect these outputs directly to my laptop-audiomulch setup for
> processing the individual guitar strings seperately. any ideas about various
> products?
>
>

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Hi Erdem,

I'd recommend Graphtech and you can build your own breakout box easily  
enough. Also, check out Keith
McMillens Stringport.

Ricky

Sent from my iPhone

On 8 Oct 2009, at 22:32, "Erdem Helvacioglu" <erdemhel@tnn.net> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am looking for a hexaphonic pickup with a breakout box with 6  
> outputs. will connect these outputs directly to my laptop-audiomulch  
> setup for processing the individual guitar strings seperately. any  
> ideas about various products?
>
> found this on the net. but i am not sure how good it is.
> http://ubertar.com/hexaphonic/
>
> thanks and best.
>
> Erdem Helvacioglu
> www.erdemhelvacioglu.com
> www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> "Wounded Breath" album is out now on Aucourant Records:
> www.aucourantrecords.com
>
> "wounded breath album will open you up to new experiences and
> allow you to explore worlds previously closed to you."
> Blogcritics, Richard Marcus
>
> "wounded breath is an outstanding acousmatic record, period."
> Massimo Ricci, touching extremes

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<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Hi Erdem,</div><div><br></div><div>I'd recommend Graphtech and you can build your own breakout box easily enough. Also, check out Keith&nbsp;</div><div>McMillens Stringport.<br><br></div><div>Ricky</div><div><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On 8 Oct 2009, at 22:32, "Erdem Helvacioglu" &lt;<a href="mailto:erdemhel@tnn.net">erdemhel@tnn.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>

<div>Hi,</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I am looking for a hexaphonic pickup with a breakout box with 6 outputs. 
will connect these outputs directly to my laptop-audiomulch setup for processing 
the individual guitar strings seperately. any ideas about various 
products?</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>found this on the net. but i am not sure how good it is.</div>
<div><a href="http://ubertar.com/hexaphonic/"><a href="http://ubertar.com/hexaphonic/">http://ubertar.com/hexaphonic/</a></a></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>thanks and best.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Erdem Helvacioglu<br><a href="http://www.erdemhelvacioglu.com"><a href="http://www.erdemhelvacioglu.com">www.erdemhelvacioglu.com</a></a><br><a href="http://www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu"><a href="http://www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu">www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu</a></a><br>* 
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *<br>"Wounded Breath" album is out now on 
Aucourant Records:<br><a href="http://www.aucourantrecords.com"><a href="http://www.aucourantrecords.com">www.aucourantrecords.com</a></a></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>"wounded breath album will open you up to new experiences and <br>allow you 
to explore worlds previously closed to you."<br>Blogcritics, Richard 
Marcus</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>"wounded breath is an outstanding acousmatic record, period."<br>Massimo 
Ricci, touching extremes</div>




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is not mathias grob, EDP inventor, working on something like that?

2009/10/9 Ricky Graham <rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com>

> Hi Erdem,
>
> I'd recommend Graphtech and you can build your own breakout box easily
> enough. Also, check out Keith
> McMillens Stringport.
>
> Ricky
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 8 Oct 2009, at 22:32, "Erdem Helvacioglu" <erdemhel@tnn.net> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I am looking for a hexaphonic pickup with a breakout box with 6 outputs.
> will connect these outputs directly to my laptop-audiomulch setup for
> processing the individual guitar strings seperately. any ideas about various
> products?
>
> found this on the net. but i am not sure how good it is.
>  <http://ubertar.com/hexaphonic/>http://ubertar.com/hexaphonic/
>
> thanks and best.
>
> Erdem Helvacioglu
> <http://www.erdemhelvacioglu.com>www.erdemhelvacioglu.com
> <http://www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu>www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> "Wounded Breath" album is out now on Aucourant Records:
> <http://www.aucourantrecords.com>www.aucourantrecords.com
>
> "wounded breath album will open you up to new experiences and
> allow you to explore worlds previously closed to you."
> Blogcritics, Richard Marcus
>
> "wounded breath is an outstanding acousmatic record, period."
> Massimo Ricci, touching extremes
>
>


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is not mathias grob, EDP inventor, working on something like that?<br><br><=
div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/10/9 Ricky Graham <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com">rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.=
com</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div bgcolor=3D"#=
FFFFFF"><div>Hi Erdem,</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;d recommend Graphtech=
 and you can build your own breakout box easily enough. Also, check out Kei=
th=A0</div>
<div>McMillens Stringport.<br><br></div><div>Ricky</div><div><br>Sent from =
my iPhone</div><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><div><br>On 8 Oct 2009, at=
 22:32, &quot;Erdem Helvacioglu&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:erdemhel@tnn.ne=
t" target=3D"_blank">erdemhel@tnn.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br></div><div></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>

<div>Hi,</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>I am looking for a hexaphonic pickup with a breakout box with 6 output=
s.=20
will connect these outputs directly to my laptop-audiomulch setup for proce=
ssing=20
the individual guitar strings seperately. any ideas about various=20
products?</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>found this on the net. but i am not sure how good it is.</div>
<div><a href=3D"http://ubertar.com/hexaphonic/" target=3D"_blank"></a><a hr=
ef=3D"http://ubertar.com/hexaphonic/" target=3D"_blank">http://ubertar.com/=
hexaphonic/</a></div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>thanks and best.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Erdem Helvacioglu<br><a href=3D"http://www.erdemhelvacioglu.com" targe=
t=3D"_blank"></a><a href=3D"http://www.erdemhelvacioglu.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">www.erdemhelvacioglu.com</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/erdem=
helvacioglu" target=3D"_blank"></a><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/erdemh=
elvacioglu" target=3D"_blank">www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu</a><br>
*=20
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *<br>&quot;Wounded Breath&quot; album i=
s out now on=20
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<div>&quot;wounded breath album will open you up to new experiences and <br=
>allow you=20
to explore worlds previously closed to you.&quot;<br>Blogcritics, Richard=
=20
Marcus</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>&quot;wounded breath is an outstanding acousmatic record, period.&quot=
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http://www.mathons.com/

2009/10/9 Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>

> is not mathias grob, EDP inventor, working on something like that?
>
> 2009/10/9 Ricky Graham <rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com>
>
> Hi Erdem,
>>
>> I'd recommend Graphtech and you can build your own breakout box easily
>> enough. Also, check out Keith
>> McMillens Stringport.
>>
>> Ricky
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 8 Oct 2009, at 22:32, "Erdem Helvacioglu" <erdemhel@tnn.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am looking for a hexaphonic pickup with a breakout box with 6 outputs.
>> will connect these outputs directly to my laptop-audiomulch setup for
>> processing the individual guitar strings seperately. any ideas about various
>> products?
>>
>> found this on the net. but i am not sure how good it is.
>>  <http://ubertar.com/hexaphonic/>http://ubertar.com/hexaphonic/
>>
>> thanks and best.
>>
>> Erdem Helvacioglu
>> <http://www.erdemhelvacioglu.com>www.erdemhelvacioglu.com
>> <http://www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu>www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu
>> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>> "Wounded Breath" album is out now on Aucourant Records:
>> <http://www.aucourantrecords.com>www.aucourantrecords.com
>>
>> "wounded breath album will open you up to new experiences and
>> allow you to explore worlds previously closed to you."
>> Blogcritics, Richard Marcus
>>
>> "wounded breath is an outstanding acousmatic record, period."
>> Massimo Ricci, touching extremes
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
> Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
>
>


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<a href=3D"http://www.mathons.com/">http://www.mathons.com/</a><br><br><div=
 class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/10/9 Raul Bonell <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.com">raul.bonell@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 2=
04, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
is not mathias grob, EDP inventor, working on something like that?<br><br><=
div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/10/9 Ricky Graham <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com" target=3D"_blank">rock.guita=
r.guru@btinternet.com</a>&gt;</span><div>
<div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div bgcolor=3D"#=
FFFFFF"><div>Hi Erdem,</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;d recommend Graphtech=
 and you can build your own breakout box easily enough. Also, check out Kei=
th=A0</div>

<div>McMillens Stringport.<br><br></div><div>Ricky</div><div><br>Sent from =
my iPhone</div><div><div></div><div><div><br>On 8 Oct 2009, at 22:32, &quot=
;Erdem Helvacioglu&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:erdemhel@tnn.net" target=3D"=
_blank">erdemhel@tnn.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>

<br></div><div></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>

<div>Hi,</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>I am looking for a hexaphonic pickup with a breakout box with 6 output=
s.=20
will connect these outputs directly to my laptop-audiomulch setup for proce=
ssing=20
the individual guitar strings seperately. any ideas about various=20
products?</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>found this on the net. but i am not sure how good it is.</div>
<div><a href=3D"http://ubertar.com/hexaphonic/" target=3D"_blank"></a><a hr=
ef=3D"http://ubertar.com/hexaphonic/" target=3D"_blank">http://ubertar.com/=
hexaphonic/</a></div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>thanks and best.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Erdem Helvacioglu<br><a href=3D"http://www.erdemhelvacioglu.com" targe=
t=3D"_blank"></a><a href=3D"http://www.erdemhelvacioglu.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">www.erdemhelvacioglu.com</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/erdem=
helvacioglu" target=3D"_blank"></a><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/erdemh=
elvacioglu" target=3D"_blank">www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu</a><br>

*=20
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *<br>&quot;Wounded Breath&quot; album i=
s out now on=20
Aucourant Records:<br><a href=3D"http://www.aucourantrecords.com" target=3D=
"_blank"></a><a href=3D"http://www.aucourantrecords.com" target=3D"_blank">=
www.aucourantrecords.com</a></div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>&quot;wounded breath album will open you up to new experiences and <br=
>allow you=20
to explore worlds previously closed to you.&quot;<br>Blogcritics, Richard=
=20
Marcus</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>&quot;wounded breath is an outstanding acousmatic record, period.&quot=
;<br>Massimo=20
Ricci, touching extremes</div>




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There are cheap gk-2 pickups on ebay.  You could get access to the wires before they enter the processing card on the triangular boxy part.

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  Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 3:13 PM
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  Hi Erdem,


  I'd recommend Graphtech and you can build your own breakout box easily enough. Also, check out Keith 
  McMillens Stringport.


  Ricky

  Sent from my iPhone

  On 8 Oct 2009, at 22:32, "Erdem Helvacioglu" <erdemhel@tnn.net> wrote:


    Hi,

    I am looking for a hexaphonic pickup with a breakout box with 6 outputs. will connect these outputs directly to my laptop-audiomulch setup for processing the individual guitar strings seperately. any ideas about various products?

    found this on the net. but i am not sure how good it is.
    http://ubertar.com/hexaphonic/

    thanks and best.

    Erdem Helvacioglu
    www.erdemhelvacioglu.com
    www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu
    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>There are cheap gk-2 pickups on ebay.&nbsp; You 
could get access to the wires before they enter the processing card on the 
triangular boxy part.</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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  <A title=rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com 
  href="mailto:rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com">Ricky Graham</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
  title=Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 
  href="mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</A> 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 08, 2009 3:13 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: hexaphonic pickup</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>Hi Erdem,</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>I'd recommend Graphtech and you can build your own breakout box easily 
  enough. Also, check out Keith&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>McMillens Stringport.<BR><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>Ricky</DIV>
  <DIV><BR>Sent from my iPhone</DIV>
  <DIV><BR>On 8 Oct 2009, at 22:32, "Erdem Helvacioglu" &lt;<A 
  href="mailto:erdemhel@tnn.net">erdemhel@tnn.net</A>&gt; wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>
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    <DIV>Hi,</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>I am looking for a hexaphonic pickup with a breakout box with 6 
    outputs. will connect these outputs directly to my laptop-audiomulch setup 
    for processing the individual guitar strings seperately. any ideas about 
    various products?</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>found this on the net. but i am not sure how good it is.</DIV>
    <DIV><A href="http://ubertar.com/hexaphonic/"><A 
    href="http://ubertar.com/hexaphonic/">http://ubertar.com/hexaphonic/</A></A></DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>thanks and best.</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>Erdem Helvacioglu<BR><A href="http://www.erdemhelvacioglu.com"><A 
    href="http://www.erdemhelvacioglu.com">www.erdemhelvacioglu.com</A></A><BR><A 
    href="http://www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu"><A 
    href="http://www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu">www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu</A></A><BR>* 
    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *<BR>"Wounded Breath" album is out now 
    on Aucourant Records:<BR><A href="http://www.aucourantrecords.com"><A 
    href="http://www.aucourantrecords.com">www.aucourantrecords.com</A></A></DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>"wounded breath album will open you up to new experiences and <BR>allow 
    you to explore worlds previously closed to you."<BR>Blogcritics, Richard 
    Marcus</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>"wounded breath is an outstanding acousmatic record, 
    period."<BR>Massimo Ricci, touching 
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Loaf,
You might like to read Net, Blogs and Rock'n'Roll by David Jennings.
He discusses issues of digital discovery that might interest you given
what you wrote.
Sylvain


On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Loaf citious <loafcitious@gmail.com> wrote:
> I had a college prof tell me once (this was some time ago..)
> that records really don't make money for an artist or the label
> that puts out the record unless it goes gold or platinum.
> Now this of course was way before the interwebs blew up
> completely.
> I myself have an older album that I've never done much with.
> Now it feels like I should put this out there and try to capitalize
> on it, and that would be grand thing for myself. =A0Sometimes
> I feel that I should give it away for reasons of popularity, or
> in today's terms - traffic. Then I'll have some notoriety while
> I make another album and try to sell that one.
> But, the truth of that matter is that the content on the web
> and the popularity of particular content can go stale so fast,
> here today gone tomorrow.
> Perhaps the best thing to do would be to just set up my album
> for sale and then pull some crazy YouTube thing or some other
> outrageous marketing stunt to feed the traffic.
> None the less, this is great topic - Thanks to all for the inspiration.
>
>

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Erdem,

Kieth McMillen Instruments is working on a breakout box and some  
software (I think it's MAX/MSP-based) that when coupled with a Roland  
GK (or other DIN-13 connector based pickup) will do what you want.

<http://www.keithmcmillen.com/products/stringport/>

They don't seem to be quite ready for market for the guitar version  
just yet . . . although they are selling the violin version (4 strings  
and I don't know what sort of pickup).

Supposedly, the guitar unit will be available next Spring/Summer.

I have been patiently waiting and lobbying for this thing myself.

If it looks interesting to you, perhaps both of our voices will speed  
them on.

Personally, my whole planned migration to laptop guitar is basically  
waiting on this one item to finish development.

Anyway, take a look and see what you think.

Best regards,

Ted Killian

On Oct 8, 2009, at 2:32 PM, Erdem Helvacioglu wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am looking for a hexaphonic pickup with a breakout box with 6  
> outputs. will connect these outputs directly to my laptop-audiomulch  
> setup for processing the individual guitar strings seperately. any  
> ideas about various products?
>
> found this on the net. but i am not sure how good it is.
> http://ubertar.com/hexaphonic/

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hi Erdem,

you could try here

http://www.rolfspuler.com

there's a system to plug your guitar direct
into the laptop via firewire, with a hex
piezo pickup.
You'd have to contact Rolf Spuler to find out
what's actually available.



The Roland GK series doesn't sound that good.
Not designed for audio, with cheap electronics
and connectors.


The Graphtech Ghost system seems to be a good way to go.
...but the hex module is of unspecified sound quality,
being intended for Midi.
...the "acoustic sound" module is mono

Maybe we can get Ricky Graham to do us a demo
of the raw guitar output.
...........hi Ricky...  ;-)


andy butler

Erdem Helvacioglu wrote:
> Hi,
>  
> I am looking for a hexaphonic pickup with a breakout box with 6 outputs. 
> will connect these outputs directly to my laptop-audiomulch setup for 
> processing the individual guitar strings seperately. any ideas about 
> various products?
>  
> found this on the net. but i am not sure how good it is.
> http://ubertar.com/hexaphonic/
>  
> thanks and best.
>  
> Erdem Helvacioglu
> www.erdemhelvacioglu.com <http://www.erdemhelvacioglu.com>
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Interesting thread.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's correct. The stat's were that most record labels lost money on
> eight artist signings while the ninth went sky rocket with an album
> and brought dough to cover for the unlucky eight. Over the last decade
> those margins are lost and today every new project needs to be
> economically successful.

Yes. I remember that in the 80's, many beginning bands got record
deals and where paid for their recordings. And they got paid for the
second album even if the first album wasn't a commercial success or
got bad reviews. Those were the days! :)

> However, the market might be smaller
> now if measured in how much money one can make on selling recordings
> of music, but if measuring by what people are listening to and
> appreciating the market is much wider today; much more segmented too.
> Smaller quantities sold within each segment but many more segments for
> exclusive music to find a buyer. This may be good or bad for you
> depending on the type of music you offer.

That's absolutely true. You need more skills today, like marketing,
networking etc. The good thing about the Internet is that you have
more possibilities to market your music, and it's very cheap and
sometimes even free. Perhaps another positive change has been the
increase of ticket prices over the last decade, but I'm not sure if
this means the artists get paid more than they used to.

I'm just writing up what comes up in my mind but perhaps we should
change the way we think about music should do like painters do. Make a
piece music, and make an exclusive package for it, like huge artwork?
I mean, a CD box looks cheap so why don't we make it bigger and look
more interesting? Painters don't sell a lot, but a painting generates
more revenue. But anyway, I think today's challenge is how to make
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I was toying with this idea a while back but never got round to it - keep u=
s posted on your progress!

peace

Gareth

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Yeah.  I'll be uploading something shortly. I have a guide to building  
your own break out box on my site.

www.rickygraham.net

There's some audio already there.

Ricky

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On 9 Oct 2009, at 09:05, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> hi Erdem,
>
> you could try here
>
> http://www.rolfspuler.com
>
> there's a system to plug your guitar direct
> into the laptop via firewire, with a hex
> piezo pickup.
> You'd have to contact Rolf Spuler to find out
> what's actually available.
>
>
>
> The Roland GK series doesn't sound that good.
> Not designed for audio, with cheap electronics
> and connectors.
>
>
> The Graphtech Ghost system seems to be a good way to go.
> ...but the hex module is of unspecified sound quality,
> being intended for Midi.
> ...the "acoustic sound" module is mono
>
> Maybe we can get Ricky Graham to do us a demo
> of the raw guitar output.
> ...........hi Ricky...  ;-)
>
>
> andy butler
>
> Erdem Helvacioglu wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I am looking for a hexaphonic pickup with a breakout box with 6  
>> outputs. will connect these outputs directly to my laptop- 
>> audiomulch setup for processing the individual guitar strings  
>> seperately. any ideas about various products?
>> found this on the net. but i am not sure how good it is.
>> http://ubertar.com/hexaphonic/
>> thanks and best.
>> Erdem Helvacioglu
>> www.erdemhelvacioglu.com <http://www.erdemhelvacioglu.com>
>> www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu <http://www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu 
>> >
>> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>> "Wounded Breath" album is out now on Aucourant Records:
>> www.aucourantrecords.com <http://www.aucourantrecords.com>
>> "wounded breath album will open you up to new experiences and
>> allow you to explore worlds previously closed to you."
>> Blogcritics, Richard Marcus
>> "wounded breath is an outstanding acousmatic record, period."
>> Massimo Ricci, touching extremes
>

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Wow, this is the coolest looking instrument I've seen! Lately I have moved
into playing the Akai EWI 4000s a lot, but I do miss some option I see the
Eigenharp offers. Like for example the ability to two lines of different
sounds with both hands. I would also like to have more touch sensitive
ribbon controllers. But thinking about the price, I'm still happy with what
the EWI offers. Since there's no triggering you don't get latency when using
MIDI a the link to the electronic world and there is a certain charm in
creating chords by doing arpeggio with sustain pedal function on.

If the Eigenharp price goes down by ninety percent I might consider buying
one ;-)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com


On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Gareth Whittock
<buddhamachine@live.co.uk>wrote:

>  Fantastic instrument - thanks for the link Samba
>
> It differs from the chapman stick in so many ways..
>
> Biderctional breath input, strip controllers, percussion keys, loop
> players, sequencer, drum machine, triggerable, tunable, and generally
> customisable.. a completely different beast in fact.
>
>
> Well...uh...
> How is it really any different than a Chapman Stick with a midi pickup or
> dare I say-- a Keytar?
> And at 8000+ USD?
>
> t
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* samba - <sambacomet@hotmail.com>
> *To:* loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:26 PM
> *Subject:* Distorted Loop Eigenharp for mac
>
>
> http://distorted-loop.com/2009/10/07/eigenharp-for-mac-a-revolutionary-new-instrument/
>
>
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Wow, this is the coolest looking instrument I&#39;ve seen! Lately I have mo=
ved into playing the Akai EWI 4000s a lot, but I do miss some option I see =
the Eigenharp offers. Like for example the ability to two lines of differen=
t sounds with both hands. I would also like to have more touch sensitive ri=
bbon controllers. But thinking about the price, I&#39;m still happy with wh=
at the EWI offers. Since there&#39;s no triggering you don&#39;t get latenc=
y when using MIDI a the link to the electronic world and there is a certain=
 charm in creating chords by doing arpeggio with sustain pedal function on.=
 <br>
<br>If the Eigenharp price goes down by ninety percent I might consider buy=
ing one ;-)<br><br clear=3D"all">Greetings from Sweden<br><br>Per Boysen <b=
r><a href=3D"http://www.boysen.se">www.boysen.se</a><br><a href=3D"http://w=
ww.perboysen.com">www.perboysen.com</a><br>

<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Gareth =
Whittock <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:buddhamachine@live.co.uk">=
buddhamachine@live.co.uk</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0p=
t 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">




<div>
Fantastic instrument - thanks for the link Samba<br><br>It differs from the=
 chapman stick in so many ways..<br><br>Biderctional breath input, strip co=
ntrollers, percussion keys, loop players, sequencer, drum machine, triggera=
ble, tunable, and generally customisable.. a completely different beast in =
fact.<br>
<br><br>








<div><font face=3D"Arial">Well...uh...</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial">How is it really any different than a Chapman Sti=
ck with a=20
midi pickup or dare I say-- a Keytar?</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial">And at 8000+ USD?</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial">t</font></div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-left: 5px=
; padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;">
  <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: norma=
l; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adj=
ust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div>
  <div style=3D"background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -m=
oz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-backgroun=
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font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">
<b>From:</b>=20
  <a title=3D"sambacomet@hotmail.com" href=3D"mailto:sambacomet@hotmail.com=
" target=3D"_blank">samba=20
  -</a> </div>
  <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: norma=
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ust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"loopers-delight@lo=
opers-delight.com" href=3D"mailto:loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com</a>=20
  </div>
  <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: norma=
l; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adj=
ust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 07, 2009 =
9:26=20
  PM</div>
  <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: norma=
l; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adj=
ust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Distorted Loop Eigenharp =
for=20
  mac</div>
  <div><br></div>=C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://distorted-loop.com/2009/10/07/eig=
enharp-for-mac-a-revolutionary-new-instrument/" target=3D"_blank">http://di=
storted-loop.com/2009/10/07/eigenharp-for-mac-a-revolutionary-new-instrumen=
t/</a><br>
<br><br></blockquote></div></blockquote></div>

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Amazing instrument !
I want one !
Thanks for posting it.

fabio
www.eterogeneo.com



2009/10/9 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>

> Wow, this is the coolest looking instrument I've seen! Lately I have moved
> into playing the Akai EWI 4000s a lot, but I do miss some option I see the
> Eigenharp offers. Like for example the ability to two lines of different
> sounds with both hands. I would also like to have more touch sensitive
> ribbon controllers. But thinking about the price, I'm still happy with what
> the EWI offers. Since there's no triggering you don't get latency when using
> MIDI a the link to the electronic world and there is a certain charm in
> creating chords by doing arpeggio with sustain pedal function on.
>
> If the Eigenharp price goes down by ninety percent I might consider buying
> one ;-)
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk
> > wrote:
>
>> Fantastic instrument - thanks for the link Samba
>>
>> It differs from the chapman stick in so many ways..
>>
>> Biderctional breath input, strip controllers, percussion keys, loop
>> players, sequencer, drum machine, triggerable, tunable, and generally
>> customisable.. a completely different beast in fact.
>>
>>
>> Well...uh...
>> How is it really any different than a Chapman Stick with a midi pickup or
>> dare I say-- a Keytar?
>> And at 8000+ USD?
>>
>> t
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* samba - <sambacomet@hotmail.com>
>> *To:* loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:26 PM
>> *Subject:* Distorted Loop Eigenharp for mac
>>
>>
>> http://distorted-loop.com/2009/10/07/eigenharp-for-mac-a-revolutionary-new-instrument/
>>
>>
>>

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<div>Amazing instrument ! </div>
<div>I want one !</div>
<div>Thanks for posting it.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>fabio</div>
<div><a href=3D"http://www.eterogeneo.com/">www.eterogeneo.com</a></div>
<div><br><br>=A0</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/10/9 Per Boysen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com">perboysen@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Wow, this is the coolest looking=
 instrument I&#39;ve seen! Lately I have moved into playing the Akai EWI 40=
00s a lot, but I do miss some option I see the Eigenharp offers. Like for e=
xample the ability to two lines of different sounds with both hands. I woul=
d also like to have more touch sensitive ribbon controllers. But thinking a=
bout the price, I&#39;m still happy with what the EWI offers. Since there&#=
39;s no triggering you don&#39;t get latency when using MIDI a the link to =
the electronic world and there is a certain charm in creating chords by doi=
ng arpeggio with sustain pedal function on. <br>
<br>If the Eigenharp price goes down by ninety percent I might consider buy=
ing one ;-)<br><br clear=3D"all">Greetings from Sweden<br><font color=3D"#8=
88888"><br>Per Boysen <br><a href=3D"http://www.boysen.se/" target=3D"_blan=
k">www.boysen.se</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com/" target=3D"_blank">www.perboysen.com</=
a></font>=20
<div>
<div></div>
<div class=3D"h5"><br><br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Gareth Whittock=
 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:buddhamachine@live.co.uk" target=
=3D"_blank">buddhamachine@live.co.uk</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0=
pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">
<div>Fantastic instrument - thanks for the link Samba<br><br>It differs fro=
m the chapman stick in so many ways..<br><br>Biderctional breath input, str=
ip controllers, percussion keys, loop players, sequencer, drum machine, tri=
ggerable, tunable, and generally customisable.. a completely different beas=
t in fact.<br>
<br><br>
<div><font face=3D"Arial">Well...uh...</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial">How is it really any different than a Chapman Sti=
ck with a midi pickup or dare I say-- a Keytar?</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial">And at 8000+ USD?</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial">t</font></div>
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<div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: norma=
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ust: none; font-stretch: normal"><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"sambacomet@hotmai=
l.com" href=3D"mailto:sambacomet@hotmail.com" target=3D"_blank">samba -</a>=
 </div>

<div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: norma=
l"><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com" href=3D"mail=
to:loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com" target=3D"_blank">loopers-delight@l=
oopers-delight.com</a> </div>

<div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: norma=
l"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:26 PM</div>
<div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: norma=
l"><b>Subject:</b> Distorted Loop Eigenharp for mac</div>
<div><br></div>=A0 <a href=3D"http://distorted-loop.com/2009/10/07/eigenhar=
p-for-mac-a-revolutionary-new-instrument/" target=3D"_blank">http://distort=
ed-loop.com/2009/10/07/eigenharp-for-mac-a-revolutionary-new-instrument/</a=
><br>
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Per, did you see the cheaper model?

http://eigenlabs.com/pico/

I might get one of these to replace or supplement my EWI.


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2009/10/9 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>:
> Wow, this is the coolest looking instrument I've seen! Lately I have moved
> into playing the Akai EWI 4000s a lot, but I do miss some option I see the
> Eigenharp offers. Like for example the ability to two lines of different
> sounds with both hands. I would also like to have more touch sensitive
> ribbon controllers. But thinking about the price, I'm still happy with what
> the EWI offers. Since there's no triggering you don't get latency when using
> MIDI a the link to the electronic world and there is a certain charm in
> creating chords by doing arpeggio with sustain pedal function on.
>
> If the Eigenharp price goes down by ninety percent I might consider buying
> one ;-)
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk>
> wrote:
>>
>> Fantastic instrument - thanks for the link Samba
>>
>> It differs from the chapman stick in so many ways..
>>
>> Biderctional breath input, strip controllers, percussion keys, loop
>> players, sequencer, drum machine, triggerable, tunable, and generally
>> customisable.. a completely different beast in fact.
>>
>>
>> Well...uh...
>> How is it really any different than a Chapman Stick with a midi pickup or
>> dare I say-- a Keytar?
>> And at 8000+ USD?
>>
>> t
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: samba -
>> To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:26 PM
>> Subject: Distorted Loop Eigenharp for mac
>>
>> http://distorted-loop.com/2009/10/07/eigenharp-for-mac-a-revolutionary-new-instrument/
>>
>>
>



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Looks like an interesting instrument but a bit pricy ;-) Btw, talking
about new instruments, has anyone ever heard of the Kelstone? It's
build in the country I live in, Belgium. The single model has 9
strings, 26 frets and 2 passive pickups. Prices start at 710.00 euro
excl. VAT and shipping.

http://www.kelstone.be/

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On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Os <os@collective.co.uk> wrote:
> Per, did you see the cheaper model?

Yes, and I did not care ;-)

per
(learned from history that "cheaper" usually means "not very expressive")

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On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Os <os@collective.co.uk> wrote:
> Per, did you see the cheaper model?
> http://eigenlabs.com/pico/
> I might get one of these to replace or supplement my EWI.

Thanks Os, I thought they only offered the Rolls Royce model ;-)
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I think that's a bit harsh!

They seem to be very different instruments. The big one seems to lend
itself it to being played like a Chapman stick - lots of double handed
finger tapping. The small one is more like an EWI.

Indeed the small one has more buttons than an EWI, the buttons are
pressure and motion sensitive, and it has a ribbon controller. So I'm
thinking of getting one precisely because it would be more expressive
than an EWI, which I find quite limiting.


cheers,
os.


2009/10/9 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>:
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Os <os@collective.co.uk> wrote:
>> Per, did you see the cheaper model?
>
> Yes, and I did not care ;-)
>
> per
> (learned from history that "cheaper" usually means "not very expressive")
>
>



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I would like to see a demo video of the Pico in action, buyt it seems like
ther's no video on the web yet.
I'm wondering about the technic (in both version).
The Alpha looks like a stick, but do the buttons have the similar
position of the stick that is two set of mirrored string ?

And the Pico ?
I didn't find any explanation about the technic.

Please, os, let us know if you discover something....

fabio
www.eterogeneo.com


2009/10/9 Os <os@collective.co.uk>

> I think that's a bit harsh!
>
> They seem to be very different instruments. The big one seems to lend
> itself it to being played like a Chapman stick - lots of double handed
> finger tapping. The small one is more like an EWI.
>
> Indeed the small one has more buttons than an EWI, the buttons are
> pressure and motion sensitive, and it has a ribbon controller. So I'm
> thinking of getting one precisely because it would be more expressive
> than an EWI, which I find quite limiting.
>
>
> cheers,
> os.
>
>
> 2009/10/9 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>:
>  > On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Os <os@collective.co.uk> wrote:
> >> Per, did you see the cheaper model?
> >
> > Yes, and I did not care ;-)
> >
> > per
> > (learned from history that "cheaper" usually means "not very expressive")
> >
> >
>
>
>
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<div>I would like to see a demo video=A0of the Pico in action, buyt it seem=
s like ther&#39;s no video on the web yet.</div>
<div>I&#39;m wondering about the technic (in both version). </div>
<div>The Alpha looks like a stick, but do the buttons=A0have the similar po=
sition=A0of the stick that is two set of mirrored string ?</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>And the Pico ?</div>
<div>I didn&#39;t find any explanation about the technic.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Please, os, let us know if you discover something....</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>fabio</div>
<div><a href=3D"http://www.eterogeneo.com/">www.eterogeneo.com</a></div>
<div><br>=A0</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/10/9 Os <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:os@collective.co.uk">os@collective.co.uk</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">I think that&#39;s a bit harsh!<=
br><br>They seem to be very different instruments. The big one seems to len=
d<br>
itself it to being played like a Chapman stick - lots of double handed<br>f=
inger tapping. The small one is more like an EWI.<br><br>Indeed the small o=
ne has more buttons than an EWI, the buttons are<br>pressure and motion sen=
sitive, and it has a ribbon controller. So I&#39;m<br>
thinking of getting one precisely because it would be more expressive<br>th=
an an EWI, which I find quite limiting.<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br><br>cheers,<br>os.<br><br><br>2009/10/9 Per Boysen &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com">perboysen@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br></=
div>
<div>
<div></div>
<div class=3D"h5">&gt; On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Os &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:os@collective.co.uk">os@collective.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;&gt; P=
er, did you see the cheaper model?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Yes, and I did not care =
;-)<br>
&gt;<br>&gt; per<br>&gt; (learned from history that &quot;cheaper&quot; usu=
ally means &quot;not very expressive&quot;)<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br><br><br><br>=
</div></div>
<div>
<div></div>
<div class=3D"h5">--<br><a href=3D"mailto:os@collective.co.uk">os@collectiv=
e.co.uk</a><br><a href=3D"http://twitter.com/expertsleepers" target=3D"_bla=
nk">http://twitter.com/expertsleepers</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.darkroom=
theband.net/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.darkroomtheband.net/</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.=
expert-sleepers.co.uk/</a><br><br></div></div></blockquote></div><br>

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Curious on the new Roland Mind Meld Interface mentioned in this video
http://bit.ly/75xfZ

Greetings from Sweden

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On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Curious on the new Roland Mind Meld Interface mentioned in this video
> http://bit.ly/75xfZ

That was a funny video :)

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I've been interested in this for years, and have contacted Richard McLish a=
t least once a year about the fanout box... his response is always that he =
is having trouble getting quality manufacturing lined up. I don't think his=
 heart is in it, and I doubt we are going to see any more RMC fanout boxes =
on the market. Too bad, because it is exactly what you're looking for and a=
 great product.

That said, others have noted that there are instructions online for how to =
build your own. They are at the Unfretted site: http://www.unfretted.com/lo=
ader.php?LINK=3D/profs/breakout.

Me, I've never wanted to devote the time to becoming really good at the ski=
lls required to make such a thing. I joined mfg.com at one point, looking t=
o post specs and drawings and solicit prices for making some of these, but =
never pursued it. If anyone were interested in ganging together to facilita=
te that, I would be all ears.

As for hexaphonic pickups, I can testify on a broad range. I have a Casio N=
G-500, two Godins with factory-installed RMC systems (Multiac and LGXT), a =
custom classical with RMC system that includes the outboard processor, a PR=
S with a Ghost Graphtech system, and a beat up Fernandes Vertigo with a Rol=
and GK-2. The Casio output is straight MIDI, and surprisingly good. All the=
 other instruments go into a Roland GI-10 to convert the 13-pin to MIDI.  T=
he GI-10 is viewed as slightly primitive, particularly by Axxon fans, thoug=
h I think in terms of response it is the equivalent of the more frequently =
used GI-20.  The Axxon AX100 (I think that is their top-of-the-line model) =
is expensive, and I occasionally look for a deal on one on Ebay, but honest=
ly most of the time I find the GI-10 adequate for what I do. In my opinion,=
 RMC and Graphtech are equivalent, and a well-set-up Roland GK-2 or -3 is c=
lose.  One last note - I use a Peavy 1600x and made a patch to change param=
eters on the GI-10... it is a godsend, makes possible very swift reassignme=
nt of basic channel, sensitivity settings, mono vs. poly, octave, etc.  How=
 you would do this with another MIDI controller, I don't know, but maybe yo=
u are not really concerned about MIDI anyway.

Which leads to the question, Erdem, for what do you want this system?  Supe=
r-accurate translation so you can generate scores with very little after-th=
e-playing corrective work?  Or are you just looking to split your string si=
gnals?

Note that no hexaphonic pickup system has a really wonderful guitar signal =
output.  Typically the guitar signal is separate; some systems can blend th=
e hexaphonic pickup output (summed) with your guitar pickups' output. That =
said, Erdem, I imagine you are going to be mangling the sound form each spl=
it-out string, so having the best possible guitar signal may not be really =
important, however much you might wish for it.  you can still have your reg=
ular pickups providing that "best possible sound".

Hal Dean

From: Toby G [mailto:carpet8@mac.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 6:22 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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There are cheap gk-2 pickups on ebay.  You could get access to the wires be=
fore they enter the processing card on the triangular boxy part.

\t
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Subject: Re: hexaphonic pickup

Hi Erdem,

I'd recommend Graphtech and you can build your own breakout box easily enou=
gh. Also, check out Keith
McMillens Stringport.
Ricky

Sent from my iPhone

On 8 Oct 2009, at 22:32, "Erdem Helvacioglu" <erdemhel@tnn.net<mailto:erdem=
hel@tnn.net>> wrote:
Hi,

I am looking for a hexaphonic pickup with a breakout box with 6 outputs. wi=
ll connect these outputs directly to my laptop-audiomulch setup for process=
ing the individual guitar strings seperately. any ideas about various produ=
cts?

found this on the net. but i am not sure how good it is.
http://ubertar.com/hexaphonic/

thanks and best.

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color:#1F497D'>I&#8217;ve been interested in this for years, and have conta=
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e is
always that he is having trouble getting quality manufacturing lined up. I =
don&#8217;t
think his heart is in it, and I doubt we are going to see any more RMC fano=
ut
boxes on the market. Too bad, because it is exactly what you&#8217;re looki=
ng
for and a great product.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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for how to build your own. They are at the Unfretted site: <a
href=3D"http://www.unfretted.com/loader.php?LINK=3D/profs/breakout">http://=
www.unfretted.com/loader.php?LINK=3D/profs/breakout</a>.<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Me, I&#8217;ve never wanted to devote the time to becoming
really good at the skills required to make such a thing. I joined mfg.com a=
t
one point, looking to post specs and drawings and solicit prices for making
some of these, but never pursued it. If anyone were interested in ganging
together to facilitate that, I would be all ears.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>As for hexaphonic pickups, I can testify on a broad range. I
have a Casio NG-500, two Godins with factory-installed RMC systems (Multiac=
 and
LGXT), a custom classical with RMC system that includes the outboard proces=
sor,
a PRS with a Ghost Graphtech system, and a beat up Fernandes Vertigo with a=
 Roland
GK-2. The Casio output is straight MIDI, and surprisingly good. All the oth=
er
instruments go into a Roland GI-10 to convert the 13-pin to MIDI.&nbsp; The=
 GI-10
is viewed as slightly primitive, particularly by Axxon fans, though I think=
 in
terms of response it is the equivalent of the more frequently used GI-20.&n=
bsp;
The Axxon AX100 (I think that is their top-of-the-line model) is expensive,=
 and
I occasionally look for a deal on one on Ebay, but honestly most of the tim=
e I
find the GI-10 adequate for what I do. In my opinion, RMC and Graphtech are=
 equivalent,
and a well-set-up Roland GK-2 or -3 is close.&nbsp; One last note &#8211; I=
 use
a Peavy 1600x and made a patch to change parameters on the GI-10&#8230; it =
is a
godsend, makes possible very swift reassignment of basic channel, sensitivi=
ty
settings, mono vs. poly, octave, etc.&nbsp; How you would do this with anot=
her
MIDI controller, I don&#8217;t know, but maybe you are not really concerned
about MIDI anyway.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Which leads to the question, Erdem, for what do you want thi=
s system?&nbsp;
Super-accurate translation so you can generate scores with very little
after-the-playing corrective work?&nbsp; Or are you just looking to split y=
our
string signals?<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Note that no hexaphonic pickup system has a really wonderful
guitar signal output.&nbsp; Typically the guitar signal is separate; some s=
ystems
can blend the hexaphonic pickup output (summed) with your guitar pickups&#8=
217;
output. That said, Erdem, I imagine you are going to be mangling the sound =
form
each split-out string, so having the best possible guitar signal may not be
really important, however much you might wish for it.&nbsp; you can still h=
ave
your regular pickups providing that &#8220;best possible sound&#8221;.<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><i><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Palati=
no Linotype","serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hal Dean<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<div>

<div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma=
","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Toby G
[mailto:carpet8@mac.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 08, 2009 6:22 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: hexaphonic pickup<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif"'>There
are cheap gk-2 pickups on ebay.&nbsp; You could get access to the wires bef=
ore
they enter the processing card on the triangular boxy part.</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif"'>\t</span><o:p></o:p></p>

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margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>

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ans-serif"'>-----
Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style=3D'font-si=
ze:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:=
10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href=3D"mailto:rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com"
title=3D"rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com">Ricky Graham</a> <o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial"=
,"sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"
title=3D"Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delig=
ht.com</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial"=
,"sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Thursday, Octo=
ber
08, 2009 3:13 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial"=
,"sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: hexaphonic
pickup<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>Hi Erdem,<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>I'd recommend Graphtech and you can build your own bre=
akout
box easily enough. Also, check out Keith&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>McMillens Stringport.<o=
:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>Ricky<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><br>
Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>
On 8 Oct 2009, at 22:32, &quot;Erdem Helvacioglu&quot; &lt;<a
href=3D"mailto:erdemhel@tnn.net">erdemhel@tnn.net</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p>=
</p>

</div>

<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>

<div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>I am looking for a hexaphonic pickup with a breakout b=
ox
with 6 outputs. will connect these outputs directly to my laptop-audiomulch
setup for processing the individual guitar strings seperately. any ideas ab=
out
various products?<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>found this on the net. but i am not sure how good it i=
s.<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><a href=3D"http://ubertar.com/hexaphonic/">http://uber=
tar.com/hexaphonic/</a><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>thanks and best.<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>Erdem Helvacioglu<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.erdemhelvacioglu.com">www.erdemhelvacioglu.com</a><br=
>
<a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu">www.myspace.com/erdemhe=
lvacioglu</a><br>
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *<br>
&quot;Wounded Breath&quot; album is out now on Aucourant Records:<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.aucourantrecords.com">www.aucourantrecords.com</a><o:=
p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&quot;wounded breath album will open you up to new
experiences and <br>
allow you to explore worlds previously closed to you.&quot;<br>
Blogcritics, Richard Marcus<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>&quot;wounded breath is an outstanding acousmatic reco=
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period.&quot;<br>
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> Curious on the new Roland Mind Meld Interface mentioned in this video
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Burning Man's Decompression event in San Francisco is this Sunday:

	http://www.burningman.com/blackrockcity_yearround/special_events/decompression/decom2009.html

I'm scheduled to set up the interactive music controllers of my Monolith 2.0 installation for people to play with.  It's a
two-person instrument, basically two independent 5-track loopers with bunches of pads (including multitouch ones) to play notes,
chords, and drums.  The two loopers share enough information (like tempo, scale, and key) so that they don't conflict musically, but
otherwise they're independent.  Lots of options to control the sounds, scales, key, loop lengths and fading, save/load loops, audio
effects, etc.  No pre-composed music.  People enjoyed it a lot out on the playa, day and night.  Flickr photos, my own photos, and a
youtube video here: 

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/burningman:art=486/

    http://blueparticles.com/particles/album/burningman2009/

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They're trying to make Decompression more of a daytime event this year - it opens at noon.

    ...Tim...

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> Note that no hexaphonic pickup system has a really wonderful guitar =20=

> signal output.  Typically the guitar signal is separate; some =20
> systems can blend the hexaphonic pickup output (summed) with your =20
> guitar pickups=92 output. That said, Erdem, I imagine you are going to =
=20
> be mangling the sound form each split-out string, so having the best =20=

> possible guitar signal may not be really important, however much you =20=

> might wish for it.  you can still have your regular pickups =20
> providing that =93best possible sound=94.
>
> Hal Dean
>

its hard to create a polyphonic magnetic pickup with good string =20
separation and similar sound to the one we are used to (I am not sure =20=

whether thats really a good sound, its just what we are used too and =20
so many great artists made great sounds with...)

for piezos its different: they actually work better when separately =20
amplified
if you dont like its overly true response, it can be smoothened =20
electronically
for my taste, there are polyphonic piezo pickups that sound =20
marvelous :-)

Matthias

PS
we decided to call them polyphonic, since hexaphonic only fits for 6 =20
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type=3D"cite"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: =
separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Geneva; font-size: medium; =
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
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auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
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margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Note that no hexaphonic pickup =
system has a really wonderful guitar signal output.&nbsp; Typically the =
guitar signal is separate; some systems can blend the hexaphonic pickup =
output (summed) with your guitar pickups=92 output. That said, Erdem, I =
imagine you are going to be mangling the sound form each split-out =
string, so having the best possible guitar signal may not be really =
important, however much you might wish for it.&nbsp; you can still have =
your regular pickups providing that =93best possible =
sound=94.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: =
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color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Hal =
Dean<o:p></o:p></span></i></div></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
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11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
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<div>its hard to create a polyphonic magnetic pickup with good string =
separation and similar sound to the one we are used to (I am not sure =
whether thats really a good sound, its just what we are used too and so =
many great artists made great sounds =
with...)</div><div><br></div><div>for piezos its different: they =
actually work better when separately amplified</div><div>if you dont =
like its overly true response, it can be smoothened =
electronically</div><div>for my taste, there are polyphonic piezo =
pickups that sound marvelous =
:-)</div><div><br></div><div>Matthias</div><div><br></div><div>PS</div><di=
v>we decided to call them polyphonic, since hexaphonic only fits for 6 =
strings</div></body></html>=

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I will be live on ustream for a half hour of live looping in one  
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Hey guys<div><br></div><div>I will be live on ustream for a half hour of live looping in one hours time here:<br><br></div><div><span class="status-body"><span class="entry-content"><a href="http://bit.ly/snVmQ" class="tweet-url web" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/snVmQ</a></span></span></div><div><br></div><div><span class="status-body"><span class="entry-content"><a href="http://bit.ly/snVmQ" class="tweet-url web" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a></span></span>Thanks guys</div><div><br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; "><div>Matt Stevens</div><div>www.mattstevensguitar.com</div><div><a href="mailto:mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com">mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com</a></div><div><br></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br></div></body></html>
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Matthias, I bow to your greater wisdom on this subject... all the more reas=
on to be enthusiastic about a fanout box (to use RMC's term).  Maybe this w=
ill push me to reconsider the DIY route.

Hal

From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matilists@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 3:06 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: hexaphonic pickup


Note that no hexaphonic pickup system has a really wonderful guitar signal =
output.  Typically the guitar signal is separate; some systems can blend th=
e hexaphonic pickup output (summed) with your guitar pickups' output. That =
said, Erdem, I imagine you are going to be mangling the sound form each spl=
it-out string, so having the best possible guitar signal may not be really =
important, however much you might wish for it.  you can still have your reg=
ular pickups providing that "best possible sound".

Hal Dean


its hard to create a polyphonic magnetic pickup with good string separation=
 and similar sound to the one we are used to (I am not sure whether thats r=
eally a good sound, its just what we are used too and so many great artists=
 made great sounds with...)

for piezos its different: they actually work better when separately amplifi=
ed
if you dont like its overly true response, it can be smoothened electronica=
lly
for my taste, there are polyphonic piezo pickups that sound marvelous :-)

Matthias

PS
we decided to call them polyphonic, since hexaphonic only fits for 6 string=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma=
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Matthias Grob
[mailto:matilists@gmail.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 09, 2009 3:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: hexaphonic pickup<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Note that no hexaphonic pickup system has a really wonderful
guitar signal output.&nbsp; Typically the guitar signal is separate; some
systems can blend the hexaphonic pickup output (summed) with your guitar
pickups&#8217; output. That said, Erdem, I imagine you are going to be mang=
ling the
sound form each split-out string, so having the best possible guitar signal=
 may
not be really important, however much you might wish for it.&nbsp; you can
still have your regular pickups providing that &#8220;best possible sound&#=
8221;.</span><span
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal>its hard to create a polyphonic magnetic pickup with g=
ood
string separation and similar sound to the one we are used to (I am not sur=
e
whether thats really a good sound, its just what we are used too and so man=
y
great artists made great sounds with...)<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal>for piezos its different: they actually work better wh=
en
separately amplified<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>if you dont like its overly true response, it can be
smoothened electronically<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>for my taste, there are polyphonic piezo pickups that =
sound
marvelous :-)<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal>we decided to call them polyphonic, since hexaphonic o=
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Amen. 


I think there should be a music donation database where you can donate to any musician/band (indie or major) you like easily.

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Hi guys

have you seen this?
http://www.ableton.com/launchpad
Pretty cool demo, btw.

http://www.novationmusic.com/launchpad/
Priced at 180,- EUR it's really affordable.

Essentially, they have brought the Monome to mainstream now. I just wonder why there is no decent step sequencer as a default...

I wonder if this would be useful with Mainstage & Mobius...

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> I wonder if this would be useful with Mainstage & Mobius...

Very interesting.  If this sends MIDI then you can use it with Mobius,
except that Mobius doesn't currently have any bidirectional feedback
so you probably wouldn't see all the pretty lights.  But if it sends MIDI
then I'll make that happen, 'cause I like shiny objects with blinking light=
s.

It's possible though that they have implemented some proprietary=20
USB protocol that only Ableton knows about.  Let's hope not.

Jeff

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On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 12:09 AM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:
> I wonder if this would be useful with Mainstage & Mobius...

I watched the videos etc when the Launch Pad was launched and as I
recall it it should be able to work as a regular MIDI controller.

Per

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Sjaak,

This looks cool. I have been playing lapsteel for a while now, and lately have been turning my acoustic guitar horizontal to play it. Plus recently I have been getting arthritis in the fingers, very upsetting for me because I cannot play as much. So the Kelstone may help with that. One more thing to save up for......

Thanks,
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Looks like an interesting instrument but a bit pricy ;-) Btw, talking
about new instruments, has anyone ever heard of the Kelstone? It's
build in the country I live in, Belgium. The single model has 9
strings, 26 frets and 2 passive pickups. Prices start at 710.00 euro
excl. VAT and shipping.

http://www.kelstone.be/

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HI everyone,

The recession has hit the annual loopfest as it's hit everyone and
we have an even smaller amount of donations this year than last year.

Towards that end, 
Bob Amstadt has graciously donated a LOOPERLATIVE  LP-1 to the festival.

100% of the money from the sale of this unit will go to helping 
compensate all the
ridiculous amount of person hours the staff has put into this puppy.

If you've been thinking about purchasing this amazing piece of hardware 
gear,
then please think about buying it from the festival this year.

I am personally a proud owner of an LP-1 and love it.
It has 8 true stereo, high bandwidth loops (16 in mono if you using 
panning and auxiliary outs)
and loops can be synced together or independent of one another.   You 
can even have multiple groups
of loops that have individual syncing in each group.
There is also extensive slicing and dicing, half speed/double speed,  
reverse and quantized replace
and even mellotron-esque capabilities.

And, even more exciting,  it has an ethernet port on the back that when 
hooked up to the internet
allows one to immediately download and install brand new software for 
the unit.
All software upgrades are free and features can be added according to 
the user groups
combined wishes.   It's an awesome unit and I've used it in two tours of 
Europe and the UK
with excellent results.

*********
*********

I'll keep track of all reasonable offers and depending on the
amount of response we get,   try to auction it off sooner than later.

It lists for $1500 USD  and  has a street price of $1200 normally
and around $1000 when Bob has had periodic sales.

Thanks so much to Bob for his generosity.   He has consistently (along 
with my dear friend,
Bill Putnam of Universal Audio)  contributed generously to the looping 
festival.

If you are interested please write   LOOPERLATIVE for Y2K9   in capital 
letters in the subject
line and write me directly at looppool (at) cruzio (dot)  com
and NOT to Loopers Delight.

Thanks so much,
see you at the festival,
Rick Walker, founder:
Y2K9 International Live Looping Festival

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woah!  The Kelstone is incredible
r

On Oct 9, 2009, at 3:14 AM, Sjaak Overgaauw wrote:

> Looks like an interesting instrument but a bit pricy ;-) Btw, talking
> about new instruments, has anyone ever heard of the Kelstone? It's
> build in the country I live in, Belgium. The single model has 9
> strings, 26 frets and 2 passive pickups. Prices start at 710.00 euro
> excl. VAT and shipping.
>
> http://www.kelstone.be/
>
> -- 
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Yes indeed! I would like one with polyphonic string pickup outputs
though. If you get a chapman stick, which seems to provide a similar
sound, you would at lest have two outputs to work with.

Greetings from Sweden

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> r
> On Oct 9, 2009, at 3:14 AM, Sjaak Overgaauw wrote:
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> excl. VAT and shipping.
>
> http://www.kelstone.be/

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My MBP has developed a banding and flickering at times issue in the lower
portion of the display.  There is a subtle deviation band about a 1/3 from
the top, but near bottom there is another deviation and a sometimes
flickering almost like a bad old CRT though at the moment it is calm just
banded.
Is this pointing to a need to replace the inverter board?  It appears to be
backlight only which makes me think it's inverter.  I have an appointment to
take to the Apple store Monday as I'm planning to take this on the upcoming
Chinapainting mini-tour but if it can go on like this for a while would
rather not spend the $ right now.

Anybody seen this on their MB or MBP's?

Thx

Jim

CP tour itinerary is as follows btw...

2009 Fall West Coast Mini-Tour

Jim Goodin hits the road and heads west joinging Chinapainting bandmate
Daryl Shawn for 3 great shows and 1 solo show

Thursday, October 15th, 7pm, Free/donation
Jim Goodin w/ Chinapainting & Mucky the Ducky
Pre-Noisefest evening LIVE @ John Natsoulas Gallery
521 First Street
Davis, California 95618
www.norcalnoisefest.com

Friday, October 16th, 8pm, $10 for festival evening
Jim Goodin w/Chinapainting appearing
Day 1 Norcal Noisefest
Live at Luna Cafe
1414 16th Street
Sacramento, California 95616
www.norcalnoisefest.com

Saturday, October 17th, 3:30pm, $10 for festival day
Jim Goodin solo improv set
Y2K 2009 Int'l Live Looping Festival
120 Pearl Alley
Santa Cruz, California 95060
Festival opens at 12noon with full lineup day/evening
www.y2kloopfest.com

Sunday, October 18th, 7:30pm, door admission
VERY Special Evening
G.E. Stinson & Steuart Liebig
Jim Goodin w/ Chinapainting
681 Venice Blvd.
Venice, California 90291
www.beyondbaroque.org

-- 
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music links...
www.jimgoodinmusic.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com
www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic
www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro
www.myspace.com/jindream
www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic

video work/editing...
www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital

social networking...
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My MBP has developed a banding and flickering at times issue in the lower p=
ortion of the display. =A0There is a subtle deviation band about a 1/3 from=
 the top, but near bottom there is another deviation and a sometimes flicke=
ring almost like a bad old CRT though at the moment it is calm just banded.=
<div>
<br></div><div>Is this pointing to a need to replace the inverter board? =
=A0It appears to be backlight only which makes me think it&#39;s inverter. =
=A0I have an appointment to take to the Apple store Monday as I&#39;m plann=
ing to take this on the upcoming Chinapainting mini-tour but if it can go o=
n like this for a while would rather not spend the $ right now.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Anybody seen this on their MB or MBP&#39;s?</div><div><=
br></div><div>Thx</div><div><br></div><div>Jim</div><div><br></div><div>CP =
tour itinerary is as follows btw...</div><div><br></div><div><span class=3D=
"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: &#39;lucida grande&#39;, tahoma, v=
erdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); line-he=
ight: 14px; ">2009 Fall West Coast Mini-Tour<br>
<br>Jim Goodin hits the road and heads west joinging Chinapainting bandmate=
 Daryl Shawn for 3 great shows and 1 solo show<br><br>Thursday, October 15t=
h, 7pm, Free/donation<br>Jim Goodin w/ Chinapainting &amp; Mucky the Ducky<=
br>
Pre-Noisefest evening LIVE @ John Natsoulas Gallery<br>521 First Street=A0<=
br>Davis, California 95618=A0<br><a href=3D"http://www.norcalnoisefest.com"=
>www.norcalnoisefest.com</a><br><br>Friday, October 16th, 8pm, $10 for fest=
ival evening<br>
Jim Goodin w/Chinapainting appearing<br>Day 1 Norcal Noisefest<br>Live at L=
una Cafe<br>1414 16th Street<br>Sacramento, California 95616<br><a href=3D"=
http://www.norcalnoisefest.com">www.norcalnoisefest.com</a><br><br>Saturday=
, October 17th, 3:30pm, $10 for festival day<br>
Jim Goodin solo improv set<br>Y2K 2009 Int&#39;l Live Looping Festival<br>1=
20 Pearl Alley<br>Santa Cruz, California 95060<br>Festival opens at 12noon =
with full lineup day/evening<br><a href=3D"http://www.y2kloopfest.com">www.=
y2kloopfest.com</a><br>
<br>Sunday, October 18th, 7:30pm, door admission<br>VERY Special Evening<br=
>G.E. Stinson &amp; Steuart Liebig<br>Jim Goodin w/ Chinapainting<br>681 Ve=
nice Blvd.<br>Venice, California 90291<br><a href=3D"http://www.beyondbaroq=
ue.org">www.beyondbaroque.org</a></span><br clear=3D"all">
<br>-- <br>ReUse, an introspective textural aural<br><a href=3D"http://www.=
myspace.com/CtReUse">www.myspace.com/CtReUse</a><br><br>music links...<br><=
a href=3D"http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com">www.jimgoodinmusic.com</a><br><a h=
ref=3D"http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com">www.chinapaintingmusic.com</a><br=
>
<a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic">www.myspace.com/jimgoodin=
music</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic">www.mysp=
ace.com/chinapaintingmusic</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jimgood=
inviolinelectro">www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jindream">www.myspace.com/jindream</a><br=
><a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic">www.youtube.com/jimgoodi=
nmusic</a><br><br>video work/editing...<br><a href=3D"http://www.vimeo.com/=
jimgoodindigital">www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital</a><br>
<br>social networking...<br><a href=3D"http://www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusi=
c">www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic</a><br><br>
</div>

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Jeff aka the father of Mobius said:
> Mobius doesn't currently have any bidirectional feedback so you probably wouldn't see all the pretty lights.
> But if it sends MIDI then I'll make that happen, 'cause I like shiny objects with blinking lights.

Please do make that happen no matter what! The reason I'm asking: I
currently control various Mobius functions with a BCR2000 (having
feedback, track volume and pan for each track on a knob with indicator
lights and mute on a button with indicator lights), and if e.g. a
script changes that, then the visual feedback via the BCR is no longer
valid.

I think I already put it onto my wishlist - here is it again!

            Rainer

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<P><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000; FONT-FAMILY: arial, sans-serif">Ho conttato ebay e la Guardia di finanze.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000; FONT-FAMILY: arial, sans-serif">Fammi sapere al piu presto.<BR><BR></P>
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Kris Hartung's Work Posted

http://margaretnoble.net/blog/trapped-in-a-jar/


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<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">Kris Hartung's Work Posted<br><br><span><a target="_blank" href="http://margaretnoble.net/blog/trapped-in-a-jar/">http://margaretnoble.net/blog/trapped-in-a-jar/</a></span><br><br><br>Hope the rest of you submit some of your sound oddities soon (and subscribe!)!<br><div id="sidebar"><li id="categories-3" class="widget widget_categories"><h2 class="widgettitle">Categories</h2>
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Nice! Thank you, Margaret.

Kris

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  Kris Hartung's Work Posted

  http://margaretnoble.net/blog/trapped-in-a-jar/


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the displays are their achilles heel

r

On Oct 10, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Jim Goodin wrote:

> My MBP has developed a banding and flickering at times issue in the  
> lower portion of the display.  There is a subtle deviation band  
> about a 1/3 from the top, but near bottom there is another deviation  
> and a sometimes flickering almost like a bad old CRT though at the  
> moment it is calm just banded.
>
> Is this pointing to a need to replace the inverter board?  It  
> appears to be backlight only which makes me think it's inverter.  I  
> have an appointment to take to the Apple store Monday as I'm  
> planning to take this on the upcoming Chinapainting mini-tour but if  
> it can go on like this for a while would rather not spend the $  
> right now.
>
> Anybody seen this on their MB or MBP's?
>
> Thx
>
> Jim
>
> CP tour itinerary is as follows btw...
>
> 2009 Fall West Coast Mini-Tour
>
> Jim Goodin hits the road and heads west joinging Chinapainting  
> bandmate Daryl Shawn for 3 great shows and 1 solo show
>
> Thursday, October 15th, 7pm, Free/donation
> Jim Goodin w/ Chinapainting & Mucky the Ducky
> Pre-Noisefest evening LIVE @ John Natsoulas Gallery
> 521 First Street
> Davis, California 95618
> www.norcalnoisefest.com
>
> Friday, October 16th, 8pm, $10 for festival evening
> Jim Goodin w/Chinapainting appearing
> Day 1 Norcal Noisefest
> Live at Luna Cafe
> 1414 16th Street
> Sacramento, California 95616
> www.norcalnoisefest.com
>
> Saturday, October 17th, 3:30pm, $10 for festival day
> Jim Goodin solo improv set
> Y2K 2009 Int'l Live Looping Festival
> 120 Pearl Alley
> Santa Cruz, California 95060
> Festival opens at 12noon with full lineup day/evening
> www.y2kloopfest.com
>
> Sunday, October 18th, 7:30pm, door admission
> VERY Special Evening
> G.E. Stinson & Steuart Liebig
> Jim Goodin w/ Chinapainting
> 681 Venice Blvd.
> Venice, California 90291
> www.beyondbaroque.org
>
> -- 
> ReUse, an introspective textural aural
> www.myspace.com/CtReUse
>
> music links...
> www.jimgoodinmusic.com
> www.chinapaintingmusic.com
> www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
> www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic
> www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro
> www.myspace.com/jindream
> www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic
>
> video work/editing...
> www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital
>
> social networking...
> www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic
>

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store Monday as I'm planning to take this on the upcoming Chinapainting =
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> But if it sends MIDI
> then I'll make that happen, 'cause I like shiny objects with blinking
> lights.
That's a cool attitude, Jeff ;-)

> 
> It's possible though that they have implemented some proprietary 
> USB protocol that only Ableton knows about.  Let's hope not.

Isn't it supposed to work with MAX/MSP, too? (or just Max in Live?).
Yeah, let's see. Reverse-engineering the implementation won't be fun, I guess. 
I had tried to re-use some proprietary midi controls in Logic. Worked kind of fine but caused problems...

But thinking of Mobius implementation... Really cool actually:
- Have shiny loop buttons (used, playing, recording)
- Have toggle buttons with changing colors (revers, half/full speed, Loop Copy Sound/Time/Off...)

To be honest, I think probably I won't _really_ need it - but it might be tempting for ca. 180,- EUR.

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Finally some more details on the Eigenharp. And it looks really good!
http://bit.ly/4nxioJ

Besides the open source side I remember hearing John "Developer"
saying in some of the videos that they may look into putting out a
future version with the software not hosted in the actual physical
instrument. All this gives a less "locked into a dated form" feel for
this new and very exciting instrument.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com

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He says very specifically that the software is not hosted in the
actual instrument - all the software runs on the Mac (& Windows next
year).

The most interesting thing, which was mentioned very briefly on
another site, is that because the buttons are sampled at 2kHz, they
are actually capable of transmitting 'audio' with a 1kHz bandwidth. So
how you hit the key, and with what, can actually be transmitted to the
software. I find that quite exciting, as someone frustrated by the
limited expression possibilities on most electronic controllers.


cheers,
os.


2009/10/11 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>:
> Finally some more details on the Eigenharp. And it looks really good!
> http://bit.ly/4nxioJ
>
> Besides the open source side I remember hearing John "Developer"
> saying in some of the videos that they may look into putting out a
> future version with the software not hosted in the actual physical
> instrument. All this gives a less "locked into a dated form" feel for
> this new and very exciting instrument.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
>
>



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I'm still waiting for the Visi, you know, the instrument the Mule in 
Asimovs Foundation Trilogy plays, which directly affects the mindset and 
creates visions, flying colors and emotions et al..  ;)

/van


Gareth Whittock wrote:
> Fantastic instrument - thanks for the link Samba
> 
> It differs from the chapman stick in so many ways..
> 
> Biderctional breath input, strip controllers, percussion keys, loop 
> players, sequencer, drum machine, triggerable, tunable, and generally 
> customisable.. a completely different beast in fact.
> 
> 
> Well...uh...
> How is it really any different than a Chapman Stick with a midi pickup 
> or dare I say-- a Keytar?
> And at 8000+ USD?
>  
> t
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Yes, I remember that passages! The Mule was a cool bad guy ;-)

Greetings from Sweden

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On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 10:16 PM, van Sinn <vansinn@post.cybercity.dk> wrot=
e:
> I'm still waiting for the Visi, you know, the instrument the Mule in Asim=
ovs
> Foundation Trilogy plays, which directly affects the mindset and creates
> visions, flying colors and emotions et al.. =C2=A0;)
>
> /van
>
>
> Gareth Whittock wrote:
>>
>> Fantastic instrument - thanks for the link Samba
>>
>> It differs from the chapman stick in so many ways..
>>
>> Biderctional breath input, strip controllers, percussion keys, loop
>> players, sequencer, drum machine, triggerable, tunable, and generally
>> customisable.. a completely different beast in fact.
>>
>>
>> Well...uh...
>> How is it really any different than a Chapman Stick with a midi pickup o=
r
>> dare I say-- a Keytar?
>> And at 8000+ USD?
>> =C2=A0t
>>
>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0----- Original Message -----
>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0From: samba - <mailto:sambacomet@hotmail.com>
>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com>
>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:26 PM
>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0Subject: Distorted Loop Eigenharp for mac
>>
>>
>> =C2=A0http://distorted-loop.com/2009/10/07/eigenharp-for-mac-a-revolutio=
nary-new-instrument/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "..... the drug=E2=80=99s potential for expa=
nded consciousness and
>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0spirituality might be limitless, but is that =
reason enough to
>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0legalize it?" from a Daily Beast story about =
research =C2=A0medical
>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0uses for LSD
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Mine did settle down sort of.  After reading on macrumors someone suggested
that the banding/flickr was actually space between the backing element and
the case.  They said putting some kind of like soemthing to wedge it tighter
fixed there's.  Today when it started I pressed on the back and bezzle areas
where the flickr was occuring and it did indeed go away then came back then
went away just now.  Over total back I notice banding lines in 3 places so I
suspect it's something more but it does seem that it is partly physical.
 I'm not sure though that it's the inverter.  I think I will cancel my appt
with Apple as I really don't want to pay them right now and it seems to have
settled but I do think something is up.
Thanks Dan/Richard

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 1:17 PM, richard sales <richard@glasswing.com>wrote:

> the displays are their achilles heel
> r
>
> On Oct 10, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Jim Goodin wrote:
>
> My MBP has developed a banding and flickering at times issue in the lower
> portion of the display.  There is a subtle deviation band about a 1/3 from
> the top, but near bottom there is another deviation and a sometimes
> flickering almost like a bad old CRT though at the moment it is calm just
> banded.
> Is this pointing to a need to replace the inverter board?  It appears to be
> backlight only which makes me think it's inverter.  I have an appointment to
> take to the Apple store Monday as I'm planning to take this on the upcoming
> Chinapainting mini-tour but if it can go on like this for a while would
> rather not spend the $ right now.
>
> Anybody seen this on their MB or MBP's?
>
> Thx
>
> Jim
>
> CP tour itinerary is as follows btw...
>
> 2009 Fall West Coast Mini-Tour
>
> Jim Goodin hits the road and heads west joinging Chinapainting bandmate
> Daryl Shawn for 3 great shows and 1 solo show
>
> Thursday, October 15th, 7pm, Free/donation
> Jim Goodin w/ Chinapainting & Mucky the Ducky
> Pre-Noisefest evening LIVE @ John Natsoulas Gallery
> 521 First Street
> Davis, California 95618
> www.norcalnoisefest.com
>
> Friday, October 16th, 8pm, $10 for festival evening
> Jim Goodin w/Chinapainting appearing
> Day 1 Norcal Noisefest
> Live at Luna Cafe
> 1414 16th Street
> Sacramento, California 95616
> www.norcalnoisefest.com
>
> Saturday, October 17th, 3:30pm, $10 for festival day
> Jim Goodin solo improv set
> Y2K 2009 Int'l Live Looping Festival
> 120 Pearl Alley
> Santa Cruz, California 95060
> Festival opens at 12noon with full lineup day/evening
> www.y2kloopfest.com
>
> Sunday, October 18th, 7:30pm, door admission
> VERY Special Evening
> G.E. Stinson & Steuart Liebig
> Jim Goodin w/ Chinapainting
> 681 Venice Blvd.
> Venice, California 90291
> www.beyondbaroque.org
>
> --
> ReUse, an introspective textural aural
> www.myspace.com/CtReUse
>
> music links...
> www.jimgoodinmusic.com
> www.chinapaintingmusic.com
> www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
> www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic
> www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro
> www.myspace.com/jindream
> www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic
>
> video work/editing...
> www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital
>
> social networking...
> www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic
>
>
> richard sales
> www.glasswing.com
> www.richardsales.com
> www.hayleysales.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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music links...
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www.chinapaintingmusic.com
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www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic
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www.myspace.com/jindream
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Mine did settle down sort of. =A0After reading on macrumors someone suggest=
ed that the banding/flickr was actually space between the backing element a=
nd the case. =A0They said putting some kind of like soemthing to wedge it t=
ighter fixed there&#39;s. =A0Today when it started I pressed on the back an=
d bezzle areas where the flickr was occuring and it did indeed go away then=
 came back then went away just now. =A0Over total back I notice banding lin=
es in 3 places so I suspect it&#39;s something more but it does seem that i=
t is partly physical. =A0I&#39;m not sure though that it&#39;s the inverter=
. =A0I think I will cancel my appt with Apple as I really don&#39;t want to=
 pay them right now and it seems to have settled but I do think something i=
s up.<div>
<br></div><div>Thanks Dan/Richard<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun,=
 Oct 11, 2009 at 1:17 PM, richard sales <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:richard@glasswing.com">richard@glasswing.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">the displays are their achilles heel<di=
v><br></div><div>r</div><div><br><div><div class=3D"im"><div>On Oct 10, 200=
9, at 8:22 AM, Jim Goodin wrote:</div><br></div><div><div></div><div class=
=3D"h5">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">My MBP has developed a banding and flickering at =
times issue in the lower portion of the display. =A0There is a subtle devia=
tion band about a 1/3 from the top, but near bottom there is another deviat=
ion and a sometimes flickering almost like a bad old CRT though at the mome=
nt it is calm just banded.<div>
 <br></div><div>Is this pointing to a need to replace the inverter board? =
=A0It appears to be backlight only which makes me think it&#39;s inverter. =
=A0I have an appointment to take to the Apple store Monday as I&#39;m plann=
ing to take this on the upcoming Chinapainting mini-tour but if it can go o=
n like this for a while would rather not spend the $ right now.</div>
 <div><br></div><div>Anybody seen this on their MB or MBP&#39;s?</div><div>=
<br></div><div>Thx</div><div><br></div><div>Jim</div><div><br></div><div>CP=
 tour itinerary is as follows btw...</div><div><br></div><div><span style=
=3D"font-family:&#39;lucida grande&#39;, tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif=
;font-size:11px;color:rgb(51, 51, 51);line-height:14px">2009 Fall West Coas=
t Mini-Tour<br>
 <br>Jim Goodin hits the road and heads west joinging Chinapainting bandmat=
e Daryl Shawn for 3 great shows and 1 solo show<br><br>Thursday, October 15=
th, 7pm, Free/donation<br>Jim Goodin w/ Chinapainting &amp; Mucky the Ducky=
<br>
 Pre-Noisefest evening LIVE @ John Natsoulas Gallery<br>521 First Street=A0=
<br>Davis, California 95618=A0<br><a href=3D"http://www.norcalnoisefest.com=
" target=3D"_blank">www.norcalnoisefest.com</a><br><br>Friday, October 16th=
, 8pm, $10 for festival evening<br>
 Jim Goodin w/Chinapainting appearing<br>Day 1 Norcal Noisefest<br>Live at =
Luna Cafe<br>1414 16th Street<br>Sacramento, California 95616<br><a href=3D=
"http://www.norcalnoisefest.com" target=3D"_blank">www.norcalnoisefest.com<=
/a><br>
<br>Saturday, October 17th, 3:30pm, $10 for festival day<br> Jim Goodin sol=
o improv set<br>Y2K 2009 Int&#39;l Live Looping Festival<br>120 Pearl Alley=
<br>Santa Cruz, California 95060<br>Festival opens at 12noon with full line=
up day/evening<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.y2kloopfest.com" target=3D"_blank">www.y2kloopfest.co=
m</a><br> <br>Sunday, October 18th, 7:30pm, door admission<br>VERY Special =
Evening<br>G.E. Stinson &amp; Steuart Liebig<br>Jim Goodin w/ Chinapainting=
<br>
681 Venice Blvd.<br>Venice, California 90291<br><a href=3D"http://www.beyon=
dbaroque.org" target=3D"_blank">www.beyondbaroque.org</a></span><br clear=
=3D"all"> <br>-- <br>ReUse, an introspective textural aural<br><a href=3D"h=
ttp://www.myspace.com/CtReUse" target=3D"_blank">www.myspace.com/CtReUse</a=
><br>
<br>music links...<br><a href=3D"http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com" target=3D"_=
blank">www.jimgoodinmusic.com</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.chinapaintingmus=
ic.com" target=3D"_blank">www.chinapaintingmusic.com</a><br> <a href=3D"htt=
p://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic" target=3D"_blank">www.myspace.com/jimgo=
odinmusic</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic" target=3D"_blank">www=
.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/ji=
mgoodinviolinelectro" target=3D"_blank">www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelec=
tro</a><br>
 <a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jindream" target=3D"_blank">www.myspace.=
com/jindream</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic" targe=
t=3D"_blank">www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic</a><br><br>video work/editing..=
.<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital" target=3D"_blank">www.vim=
eo.com/jimgoodindigital</a><br> <br>social networking...<br><a href=3D"http=
://www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic" target=3D"_blank">www.twitter.com/jimgoo=
dinmusic</a><br>
<br> </div></blockquote></div></div></div><font color=3D"#888888"><br><div>=
 <span style=3D"border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Hel=
vetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:nor=
mal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:auto;text-indent:0p=
x;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div style=3D"wo=
rd-wrap:break-word">
<span style=3D"border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helv=
etica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:norm=
al;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:=
none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-wor=
d">
<span style=3D"border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helv=
etica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:norm=
al;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:=
none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-wor=
d">
<span style=3D"border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helv=
etica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:norm=
al;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:=
none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-wor=
d">
<div><font face=3D"Arial">richard sales</font></div><div><font color=3D"#90=
8E38"><a href=3D"http://www.glasswing.com" target=3D"_blank">www.glasswing.=
com</a></font></div><div><font color=3D"#908E38"><a href=3D"http://www.rich=
ardsales.com" target=3D"_blank">www.richardsales.com</a></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#908E38"><a href=3D"http://www.hayleysales.com" target=
=3D"_blank">www.hayleysales.com</a></font></div><div><br></div></div></span=
><br></div></span><br></div></span><br></div></span><br> </div><br></font><=
/div>
</div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>ReUse, an introsp=
ective textural aural<br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/CtReUse">www.mys=
pace.com/CtReUse</a><br><br>music links...<br><a href=3D"http://www.jimgood=
inmusic.com">www.jimgoodinmusic.com</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com">www.chinapaintingmusic.com</a=
><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic">www.myspace.com/jimg=
oodinmusic</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic">www=
.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro">www.myspace.com/j=
imgoodinviolinelectro</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jindream">ww=
w.myspace.com/jindream</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmu=
sic">www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic</a><br>
<br>video work/editing...<br><a href=3D"http://www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigit=
al">www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital</a><br><br>social networking...<br><a hr=
ef=3D"http://www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic">www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic=
</a><br>
<br>
</div>

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My thanks to Randolf Arriola
for purchasing the Looperlative LP-1 to help us defray costs for the
looping festival.

Thanks to Bob Amstadt for being so generous with his donation, as well.

I also want to thank Bill Putnam for his generous contributions
and also Jeff Larson as well.

Thanks you guys,  it means a lot.

yours,   gratefully,    Rick

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  Northern California is expecting a two day storm that will bring 3-6 
inches of rain
and 60 mph winds ending on the Wednesday morning,  the first day of the 
festival.

Unfortunately,  we have to drive up to SFO to pick up many artists flying
in the middle of it on Tuesday.     

Please wish Chris , my beautiful and generous wife and I
safe driving on Tuesday!    We're planning on taking two vehicles
up to SFO that day.

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wishing you guys special mojo for the trip to/from Rick, careful...  I'm
glad it's supposed to end then instead of through the weekend of the
festival however.  Positive thoughts... Jim

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

>
>  Northern California is expecting a two day storm that will bring 3-6
> inches of rain
> and 60 mph winds ending on the Wednesday morning,  the first day of the
> festival.
>
> Unfortunately,  we have to drive up to SFO to pick up many artists flying
> in the middle of it on Tuesday.
> Please wish Chris , my beautiful and generous wife and I
> safe driving on Tuesday!    We're planning on taking two vehicles
> up to SFO that day.
>
>


-- 
ReUse, an introspective textural aural
www.myspace.com/CtReUse

music links...
www.jimgoodinmusic.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com
www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic
www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro
www.myspace.com/jindream
www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic

video work/editing...
www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital

social networking...
www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic

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wishing you guys special mojo for the trip to/from Rick, careful... =A0I&#3=
9;m glad it&#39;s supposed to end then instead of through the weekend of th=
e festival however. =A0Positive thoughts... Jim<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote">
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Rick Walker <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:looppool@cruzio.com">looppool@cruzio.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<b=
r><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:=
1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<br>
=A0Northern California is expecting a two day storm that will bring 3-6 inc=
hes of rain<br>
and 60 mph winds ending on the Wednesday morning, =A0the first day of the f=
estival.<br>
<br>
Unfortunately, =A0we have to drive up to SFO to pick up many artists flying=
<br>
in the middle of it on Tuesday. =A0 =A0 <br>
Please wish Chris , my beautiful and generous wife and I<br>
safe driving on Tuesday! =A0 =A0We&#39;re planning on taking two vehicles<b=
r>
up to SFO that day.<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>ReUse, an introspective=
 textural aural<br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/CtReUse">www.myspace.c=
om/CtReUse</a><br><br>music links...<br><a href=3D"http://www.jimgoodinmusi=
c.com">www.jimgoodinmusic.com</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com">www.chinapaintingmusic.com</a=
><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic">www.myspace.com/jimg=
oodinmusic</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic">www=
.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro">www.myspace.com/j=
imgoodinviolinelectro</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jindream">ww=
w.myspace.com/jindream</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmu=
sic">www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic</a><br>
<br>video work/editing...<br><a href=3D"http://www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigit=
al">www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital</a><br><br>social networking...<br><a hr=
ef=3D"http://www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic">www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic=
</a><br>
<br>

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As of right now, we are planning to pick up

*Nat Grant* (Australia),  *Andre Donawa* (Barbados)
and *Kevin Spears* (Atlanta, Georgia)
at the SFO Airport this coming Tuesday.

I want to double check and make sure that I have not
missed anyone in our plans for that day.

*Please let me know IMMEDIATELY if you are coming in
on Tuesday and need a ride to Santa Cruz that day and
are not on this list.

*thanks a lot..............I'm getting excited!!!!!

yours,  Rick

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Hi Eric,
I like the Kelstone as a concept and I'm curious how it sounds and how
easy it is to play compared to a guitar or bass. Anyway, it looks like
an instrument with a lot of potential. http://www.kelstone.be/

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http://livelooping.be/
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Per Boysen schrieb:
> (Funny Off Topic)
> How bizarre! This guy is making music on a giant howling sperm! Don't
> miss the best part at the end of the video http://bit.ly/2FNu5Z

If you could get one in orange I know who'd want to get it...
(He could still paint it, if not...;-)

Stefan

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On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 5:42 AM, Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com> wrot=
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> wishing you guys special mojo for the trip to/from Rick, careful... =A0I'=
m
> glad it's supposed to end then instead of through the weekend of the
> festival however. =A0Positive thoughts... Jim

Yup, I'll take my swimsuit with me :) Cu you in a few days, I'm
looking forward to meet you.
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I wish this could work with the Looperlative. Unfortunately, the lack  
of a MIDI connection on the Launchpad and the lack of a USB port on  
the Looperlative defeat that option (without involving a lot more  
hardware). The Akai APC40 adds footswitches and knobs but still no  
MIDI connection.

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it doesn't look dreadfully hard - here's a basic instructional

http://www.kelstone.be/library

richard sales
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On Oct 12, 2009, at 4:59 AM, Sjaak Overgaauw wrote:

> Hi Eric,
> I like the Kelstone as a concept and I'm curious how it sounds and how
> easy it is to play compared to a guitar or bass. Anyway, it looks like
> an instrument with a lot of potential. http://www.kelstone.be/
>
> -- 
> Sjaak Overgaauw
> http://premonitionfactory.com/
> http://livelooping.be/
> http://euroloopfest.com/
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it looks & sounds like a stick with passive electronics. considering the
prices the tapping instruments cost, the kelston is no so expensive.

2009/10/12 richard sales <richard@glasswing.com>

> it doesn't look dreadfully hard - here's a basic instructional
> http://www.kelstone.be/library
>
> richard sales
> www.glasswing.com
> www.richardsales.com
> www.hayleysales.com
>
>
> On Oct 12, 2009, at 4:59 AM, Sjaak Overgaauw wrote:
>
> Hi Eric,
> I like the Kelstone as a concept and I'm curious how it sounds and how
> easy it is to play compared to a guitar or bass. Anyway, it looks like
> an instrument with a lot of potential. http://www.kelstone.be/
>
> --
> Sjaak Overgaauw
> http://premonitionfactory.com/
> http://livelooping.be/
> http://euroloopfest.com/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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it looks &amp; sounds like a stick with passive electronics. considering th=
e prices the tapping instruments cost, the kelston is no so expensive. <br>=
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/10/12 richard sales <span dir=3D"ltr">&=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:richard@glasswing.com">richard@glasswing.com</a>&gt;</=
span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div style=3D"wor=
d-wrap: break-word;">it doesn&#39;t look dreadfully hard - here&#39;s a bas=
ic instructional<div>
<br></div><div><a href=3D"http://www.kelstone.be/library" target=3D"_blank"=
>http://www.kelstone.be/library</a></div><div><br></div><div><font color=3D=
"#888888"><span style=3D"font-size: 12px;"><div><font face=3D"Arial">richar=
d sales</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#908e38"><a href=3D"http://www.glasswing.com" target=3D=
"_blank">www.glasswing.com</a></font></div><div><font color=3D"#908e38"><a =
href=3D"http://www.richardsales.com" target=3D"_blank">www.richardsales.com=
</a></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#908e38"><a href=3D"http://www.hayleysales.com" target=
=3D"_blank">www.hayleysales.com</a></font></div><div><font color=3D"#908e38=
"><br></font></div><div><font color=3D"#908e38"><br></font></div></span></f=
ont><div>
<div></div><div class=3D"h5"><div><div>On Oct 12, 2009, at 4:59 AM, Sjaak O=
vergaauw wrote:</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>Hi Eric,<br>I like =
the Kelstone as a concept and I&#39;m curious how it sounds and how<br>easy=
 it is to play compared to a guitar or bass. Anyway, it looks like<br>
an instrument with a lot of potential. <a href=3D"http://www.kelstone.be/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.kelstone.be/</a><br><br>-- <br>Sjaak Overgaauw=
<br><a href=3D"http://premonitionfactory.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://pre=
monitionfactory.com/</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://livelooping.be/" target=3D"_blank">http://livelooping.be/=
</a><br><a href=3D"http://euroloopfest.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://eurol=
oopfest.com/</a><br><br></div></blockquote></div><br><div> <span style=3D"f=
ont-size: 18px;"><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word;">
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<div><font face=3D"Arial"><br></font></div><div><br></div></div></span><br>=
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at Blogger: <a href=3D"http://raulbonell.blogspot.com">http://raulbonell.bl=
ogspot.com</a><br>
Chain Tape Collective: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-collective.com">http://www.=
ct-collective.com</a><br><br>

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yup, I'm doing all the laundry since last big storm we lost power for  
6 days.
i'm betting that since i'm really prepared this time, the power will  
stay on....


On Oct 11, 2009, at 8:42 PM, Jim Goodin wrote:

> wishing you guys special mojo for the trip to/from Rick, careful...   
> I'm glad it's supposed to end then instead of through the weekend of  
> the festival however.  Positive thoughts... Jim
>
> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com>  
> wrote:
>
>  Northern California is expecting a two day storm that will bring  
> 3-6 inches of rain
> and 60 mph winds ending on the Wednesday morning,  the first day of  
> the festival.
>
> Unfortunately,  we have to drive up to SFO to pick up many artists  
> flying
> in the middle of it on Tuesday.
> Please wish Chris , my beautiful and generous wife and I
> safe driving on Tuesday!    We're planning on taking two vehicles
> up to SFO that day.
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> ReUse, an introspective textural aural
> www.myspace.com/CtReUse
>
> music links...
> www.jimgoodinmusic.com
> www.chinapaintingmusic.com
> www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
> www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic
> www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro
> www.myspace.com/jindream
> www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic
>
> video work/editing...
> www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital
>
> social networking...
> www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic
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-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">yup, I'm doing all the laundry =
since last big storm we lost power for 6 days.&nbsp;<div>i'm betting =
that since i'm really prepared this time, the power will stay =
on....</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Oct 11, 2009, at 8:42 =
PM, Jim Goodin wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite">wishing =
you guys special mojo for the trip to/from Rick, careful... &nbsp;I'm =
glad it's supposed to end then instead of through the weekend of the =
festival however. &nbsp;Positive thoughts... Jim<br><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Rick Walker =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:looppool@cruzio.com">looppool@cruzio.com</a>&gt;</span> =
wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <br> &nbsp;Northern =
California is expecting a two day storm that will bring 3-6 inches of =
rain<br> and 60 mph winds ending on the Wednesday morning, &nbsp;the =
first day of the festival.<br> <br> Unfortunately, &nbsp;we have to =
drive up to SFO to pick up many artists flying<br> in the middle of it =
on Tuesday. &nbsp; &nbsp; <br> Please wish Chris , my beautiful and =
generous wife and I<br> safe driving on Tuesday! &nbsp; &nbsp;We're =
planning on taking two vehicles<br> up to SFO that day.<br> <br> =
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>ReUse, an =
introspective textural aural<br><a =
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href=3D"http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com">www.jimgoodinmusic.com</a><br> <a =
href=3D"http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com">www.chinapaintingmusic.com</a><=
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href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic">www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmu=
sic</a><br><a =
href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic">www.myspace.com/chinapa=
intingmusic</a><br> <a =
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goodinviolinelectro</a><br><a =
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a =
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sic</a><br> <br>video work/editing...<br><a =
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it looks like it solves everything i hate about the stick. (there, i said it!)  start single, go double, with a looper, and all you would need to import are the percussive elements.  and, you get a really nice lapsteel to boot!!!

time

Mon, 10/12/09, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Kelstone
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 1:20 PM
> it looks & sounds like a stick with
> passive electronics. considering the prices the tapping
> instruments cost, the kelston is no so expensive. 
> 
> 2009/10/12 richard sales <richard@glasswing.com>
> 
> it doesn't look dreadfully
> hard - here's a basic instructional
> 
> http://www.kelstone.be/library
> richard
> sales
> www.glasswing.comwww.richardsales.com
> www.hayleysales.com
> 
> 
> On Oct 12, 2009, at
> 4:59 AM, Sjaak Overgaauw wrote:
> Hi Eric,
> I like the Kelstone as a concept and I'm curious how it
> sounds and how
> easy it is to play compared to a guitar or bass. Anyway, it
> looks like
> 
> an instrument with a lot of potential. http://www.kelstone.be/
> 
> -- 
> Sjaak Overgaauw
> http://premonitionfactory.com/
> 
> http://livelooping.be/
> http://euroloopfest.com/
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
> 
> Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
> 
> 
> 


      

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What exactly do you hate about the Stick ?


Fabio
www.eterogeneo.com


Il giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 21.38, tim echols  
<eekamouse67@yahoo.com> ha scritto:

> it looks like it solves everything i hate about the stick. (there, i  
> said it!)  start single, go double, with a looper, and all you would  
> need to import are the percussive elements.  and, you get a really  
> nice lapsteel to boot!!!
>
> time
>
> Mon, 10/12/09, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Kelstone
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 1:20 PM
>> it looks & sounds like a stick with
>> passive electronics. considering the prices the tapping
>> instruments cost, the kelston is no so expensive.
>>
>> 2009/10/12 richard sales <richard@glasswing.com>
>>
>> it doesn't look dreadfully
>> hard - here's a basic instructional
>>
>> http://www.kelstone.be/library
>> richard
>> sales
>> www.glasswing.comwww.richardsales.com
>> www.hayleysales.com
>>
>>
>> On Oct 12, 2009, at
>> 4:59 AM, Sjaak Overgaauw wrote:
>> Hi Eric,
>> I like the Kelstone as a concept and I'm curious how it
>> sounds and how
>> easy it is to play compared to a guitar or bass. Anyway, it
>> looks like
>>
>> an instrument with a lot of potential. http://www.kelstone.be/
>>
>> -- 
>> Sjaak Overgaauw
>> http://premonitionfactory.com/
>>
>> http://livelooping.be/
>> http://euroloopfest.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
>>
>> Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

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fabio,

did you re do your site recently?  Looks great

R

richard sales
www.glasswing.com
www.richardsales.com
www.hayleysales.com
On Oct 12, 2009, at 1:04 PM, eterogeneo wrote:

> What exactly do you hate about the Stick ?
>
>
> Fabio
> www.eterogeneo.com
>
>
> Il giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 21.38, tim echols <eekamouse67@yahoo.com 
> > ha scritto:
>
>> it looks like it solves everything i hate about the stick. (there,  
>> i said it!)  start single, go double, with a looper, and all you  
>> would need to import are the percussive elements.  and, you get a  
>> really nice lapsteel to boot!!!
>>
>> time
>>
>> Mon, 10/12/09, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Kelstone
>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>> Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 1:20 PM
>>> it looks & sounds like a stick with
>>> passive electronics. considering the prices the tapping
>>> instruments cost, the kelston is no so expensive.
>>>
>>> 2009/10/12 richard sales <richard@glasswing.com>
>>>
>>> it doesn't look dreadfully
>>> hard - here's a basic instructional
>>>
>>> http://www.kelstone.be/library
>>> richard
>>> sales
>>> www.glasswing.comwww.richardsales.com
>>> www.hayleysales.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 12, 2009, at
>>> 4:59 AM, Sjaak Overgaauw wrote:
>>> Hi Eric,
>>> I like the Kelstone as a concept and I'm curious how it
>>> sounds and how
>>> easy it is to play compared to a guitar or bass. Anyway, it
>>> looks like
>>>
>>> an instrument with a lot of potential. http://www.kelstone.be/
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Sjaak Overgaauw
>>> http://premonitionfactory.com/
>>>
>>> http://livelooping.be/
>>> http://euroloopfest.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
>>>
>>> Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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>>
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<html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">fabio,<div><br></div><div>did =
you re do your site recently? &nbsp;Looks =
great<div><br></div><div>R</div><div><br></div><div><span =
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sales</font></div><div><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
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span><div><div>On Oct 12, 2009, at 1:04 PM, eterogeneo wrote:</div><br =
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exactly do you hate about the Stick ?<br><br><br>Fabio<br><a =
href=3D"http://www.eterogeneo.com">www.eterogeneo.com</a><br><br><br>Il =
giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 21.38, tim echols =
&lt;eekamouse67@yahoo.com&gt; ha scritto:<br><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">it looks like it solves everything i hate about the stick. =
(there, i said it!) &nbsp;start single, go double, with a looper, and =
all you would need to import are the percussive elements. &nbsp;and, you =
get a really nice lapsteel to boot!!!<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">time<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Mon, 10/12/09, =
Raul Bonell &lt;raul.bonell@gmail.com&gt; =
wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">From: Raul Bonell =
&lt;raul.bonell@gmail.com&gt;<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Subject: Re: =
Kelstone<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">To: =
Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquo=
te type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Date: Monday, October 12, =
2009, 1:20 PM<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">it looks &amp; sounds like a =
stick with<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">passive electronics. considering =
the prices the tapping<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">instruments cost, the kelston is =
no so expensive.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">2009/10/12 richard sales =
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type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
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dreadfully<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">hard - here's a basic =
instructional<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">http://www.kelstone.be/library<br></blockquote></blockquote>=
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type=3D"cite">richard<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
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type=3D"cite">www.glasswing.comwww.richardsales.com<br></blockquote></bloc=
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type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
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type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Oct 12, 2009, =
at<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">4:59 AM, Sjaak Overgaauw =
wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Hi Eric,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">I like the Kelstone as a concept =
and I'm curious how it<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">sounds and =
how<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">easy it is to play compared to a guitar or bass. Anyway, =
it<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">looks like<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">an instrument with a lot of =
potential. =
http://www.kelstone.be/<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
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type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
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have a great loopfest ya'll and sorry i can't make it.
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Hey there Liveloopers!

I've been following your emails for a couple months now. Really great  
work and a great forum for sharing all this loop related stuff!

I, for one, use the Line 6 DL4, the Oberheim Echoplex and an RC50.  
I'm definitely wanting to branch out into software looping.
I've dabbled in Guitar Rig's looper (glitchy but cool) and wanting to  
explore Abelton Live. For now, though, I'm addicted to the hardware  
pedals and in particular, the DL4.

There have also been quite a few emails regarding the QY100 and I  
just wanted to share a couple of youtube vids I did featuring the QY,  
the Line 6 DL4 and the Roland Handsonic.

Enjoy!


http://www.youtube.com/user/colfaxsound#p/u/4/KAPQkAsooZM
http://www.youtube.com/user/colfaxsound#p/u/3/tNgBKpzZo54


Hope to see you guys in Santa Cruz this weekend!


Cheers,
Colfax (aka. Daniel Berkman)

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I=B4ve uploaded 3 spheric Ambient tracks. They are from
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On Oct 12, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Daniel Berkman wrote:

> Hey there Liveloopers!
>
> I've been following your emails for a couple months now. Really  
> great work and a great forum for sharing all this loop related stuff!
>
> I, for one, use the Line 6 DL4, the Oberheim Echoplex and an RC50.  
> I'm definitely wanting to branch out into software looping.
> I've dabbled in Guitar Rig's looper (glitchy but cool) and wanting  
> to explore Abelton Live. For now, though, I'm addicted to the  
> hardware pedals and in particular, the DL4.
>
> There have also been quite a few emails regarding the QY100 and I  
> just wanted to share a couple of youtube vids I did featuring the  
> QY, the Line 6 DL4 and the Roland Handsonic.
>
> Enjoy!
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/user/colfaxsound#p/u/4/KAPQkAsooZM
> http://www.youtube.com/user/colfaxsound#p/u/3/tNgBKpzZo54
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>
> Hope to see you guys in Santa Cruz this weekend!

Now I'm really bumming that this will be the first Y2K# loopfest I've  
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Mark

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Thanks Richard, I did it last year: the previous flash based one is  
still on line (you'll find it in the link page), but it wasn't not  
easy to update, so I moved to html. I did it entirely with iWeb.

...what about the stick ?

Fabio
www.eterogeneo.com



Il giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 23.03, richard sales <richard@glasswing.com 
 > ha scritto:

> fabio,
>
> did you re do your site recently?  Looks great
>
> R
>
> richard sales
> www.glasswing.com
> www.richardsales.com
> www.hayleysales.com
> On Oct 12, 2009, at 1:04 PM, eterogeneo wrote:
>
>> What exactly do you hate about the Stick ?
>>
>>
>> Fabio
>> www.eterogeneo.com
>>
>>
>> Il giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 21.38, tim echols <eekamouse67@yahoo.com 
>> > ha scritto:
>>
>>> it looks like it solves everything i hate about the stick. (there,  
>>> i said it!)  start single, go double, with a looper, and all you  
>>> would need to import are the percussive elements.  and, you get a  
>>> really nice lapsteel to boot!!!
>>>
>>> time
>>>
>>> Mon, 10/12/09, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: Kelstone
>>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>>> Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 1:20 PM
>>>> it looks & sounds like a stick with
>>>> passive electronics. considering the prices the tapping
>>>> instruments cost, the kelston is no so expensive.
>>>>
>>>> 2009/10/12 richard sales <richard@glasswing.com>
>>>>
>>>> it doesn't look dreadfully
>>>> hard - here's a basic instructional
>>>>
>>>> http://www.kelstone.be/library
>>>> richard
>>>> sales
>>>> www.glasswing.comwww.richardsales.com
>>>> www.hayleysales.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 12, 2009, at
>>>> 4:59 AM, Sjaak Overgaauw wrote:
>>>> Hi Eric,
>>>> I like the Kelstone as a concept and I'm curious how it
>>>> sounds and how
>>>> easy it is to play compared to a guitar or bass. Anyway, it
>>>> looks like
>>>>
>>>> an instrument with a lot of potential. http://www.kelstone.be/
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Sjaak Overgaauw
>>>> http://premonitionfactory.com/
>>>>
>>>> http://livelooping.be/
>>>> http://euroloopfest.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
>>>>
>>>> Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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<html><body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>Thanks Richard, I did it last year: =
the previous flash based one is still on line (you'll find it in the =
link page), but it wasn't not easy to update, so I moved to html. I did =
it entirely with iWeb. &nbsp; &nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>...what =
about the stick ?</div><div><br></div><div>Fabio</div><div><a =
href=3D"http://www.eterogeneo.com">www.eterogeneo.com</a></div><div><br></=
div><div><br><br>Il giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 23.03, richard sales =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:richard@glasswing.com">richard@glasswing.com</a>&gt;=
 ha scritto:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>fabio,<div><br></div><div>did you re do your site =
recently? &nbsp;Looks =
great<div><br></div><div>R</div><div><br></div><div><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: 12px; "><div><font =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Arial">richard =
sales</font></div><div><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
color=3D"#908E38"><a href=3D"http://www.glasswing.com"><a =
href=3D"http://www.glasswing.com">www.glasswing.com</a></a></font></div><d=
iv><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#908E38"><a =
href=3D"http://www.richardsales.com"><a =
href=3D"http://www.richardsales.com">www.richardsales.com</a></a></font></=
div><div><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#908E38"><a =
href=3D"http://www.hayleysales.com"><a =
href=3D"http://www.hayleysales.com">www.hayleysales.com</a></a></font></di=
v></span><div><div>On Oct 12, 2009, at 1:04 PM, eterogeneo =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>What exactly do you hate about the Stick =
?<br><br><br>Fabio<br><a href=3D"http://www.eterogeneo.com"><a =
href=3D"http://www.eterogeneo.com">www.eterogeneo.com</a></a><br><br><br>I=
l giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 21.38, tim echols &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:eekamouse67@yahoo.com">eekamouse67@yahoo.com</a>&gt; ha =
scritto:<br><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">it looks like it solves =
everything i hate about the stick. (there, i said it!) &nbsp;start =
single, go double, with a looper, and all you would need to import are =
the percussive elements. &nbsp;and, you get a really nice lapsteel to =
boot!!!<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">time<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Mon, 10/12/09, =
Raul Bonell &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.com">raul.bonell@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">From: Raul Bonell &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.com">raul.bonell@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br></b=
lockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Subject: Re: =
Kelstone<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"><a =
href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@looper=
s-delight.com</a></a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, =
1:20 PM<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite">it looks &amp; sounds like a stick =
with<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">passive electronics. considering the prices the =
tapping<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite">instruments cost, the kelston is no so =
expensive.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">2009/10/12 richard sales &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:richard@glasswing.com">richard@glasswing.com</a>&gt;<br></b=
lockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">it doesn't look =
dreadfully<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">hard - here's a basic =
instructional<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><a =
href=3D"http://www.kelstone.be/library">http://www.kelstone.be/library</a>=
<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">richard<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">sales<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><a =
href=3D"http://www.glasswing.comwww.richardsales.com">www.glasswing.comwww=
.richardsales.com</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><a =
href=3D"http://www.hayleysales.com">www.hayleysales.com</a><br></blockquot=
e></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Oct 12, 2009, =
at<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">4:59 AM, Sjaak Overgaauw =
wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Hi Eric,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">I like the Kelstone as a concept =
and I'm curious how it<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">sounds and =
how<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">easy it is to play compared to a guitar or bass. Anyway, =
it<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">looks like<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">an instrument with a lot of =
potential. <a href=3D"http://www.kelstone.be/"><a =
href=3D"http://www.kelstone.be/">http://www.kelstone.be/</a></a><br></bloc=
kquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">-- =
<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Sjaak Overgaauw<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><a =
href=3D"http://premonitionfactory.com/">http://premonitionfactory.com/</a>=
<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><a =
href=3D"http://livelooping.be/">http://livelooping.be/</a><br></blockquote=
></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><a =
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<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Raul Bonell at Blogger: <a =
href=3D"http://raulbonell.blogspot.com"><a =
href=3D"http://raulbonell.blogspot.com">http://raulbonell.blogspot.com</a>=
</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Chain Tape Collective: <a =
href=3D"http://www.ct-collective.com"><a =
href=3D"http://www.ct-collective.com">http://www.ct-collective.com</a></a>=
<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
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i dunno--  the way it sits on me when i play it.  the fingerboard being spl=
it with the bass strings in the middle and two different tunings radiating =
outward.  the fact that i will have to practice so much more on my stick to=
 get to where i can play it without looking, but i have had enough experien=
ce with playing side to know that i can choose not to look atthe kelstone E=
VEN THOUGH IT IS PLAIN VIEW.  i admit that i don't practice my stick enough=
, but it is partially because of these issues.  i practice the bass and aco=
ustic regularly--  even my electric.  but the stick sits unused because of =
these issues, and the difficultn i have extemporaneously jamming on it  wit=
h other musicians.  i just feel that i would welcome the chance to play the=
 kelstone.  thanks.

time

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> From: eterogeneo <eterogenus@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Kelstone
> To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-deligh=
t.com>
> Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 6:25 PM
> Thanks Richard, I did it last
> year: the previous flash based one is still on line
> (you'll find it in the link page), but it wasn't not
> easy to update, so I moved to html. I did it entirely with
> iWeb. =A0 =A0=A0...what about
> the stick ?
> Fabiowww.eterogeneo.com
>=20
>=20
> Il giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 23.03, richard sales <richard@glasswing.c=
om>
> ha scritto:
>=20
> fabio,
> did you re do your site recently? =A0Looks
> great
> R
> richard saleswww.glasswing.comwww.richardsales.comwww.hayleysales.comOn
> Oct 12, 2009, at 1:04 PM, eterogeneo wrote:
> What exactly do you hate about the Stick ?
>=20
>=20
> Fabio
> www.eterogeneo.com
>=20
>=20
> Il giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 21.38, tim echols <eekamouse67@yahoo.com>
> ha scritto:
>=20
> it looks like it solves everything
> i hate about the stick. (there, i said it!) =A0start
> single, go double, with a looper, and all you would need to
> import are the percussive elements. =A0and, you get a
> really nice lapsteel to boot!!!
>=20
> time
>=20
> Mon, 10/12/09, Raul
> Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>=20
> From: Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Kelstone
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Monday, October
> 12, 2009, 1:20 PM
> it looks & sounds
> like a stick with
> passive electronics.
> considering the prices the tapping
> instruments cost, the
> kelston is no so expensive.
>=20
> 2009/10/12 richard sales
> <richard@glasswing.com>
>=20
> it doesn't look
> dreadfully
> hard - here's a
> basic instructional
>=20
> http://www.kelstone.be/library
> richard
> sales
> www.glasswing.comwww.richardsales.com
> www.hayleysales.com
>=20
>=20
> On Oct 12, 2009, at
> 4:59 AM, Sjaak Overgaauw
> wrote:
> Hi Eric,
> I like the Kelstone as a
> concept and I'm curious how it
> sounds and how
> easy it is to play
> compared to a guitar or bass. Anyway, it
> looks like
>=20
> an instrument with a lot
> of potential. http://www.kelstone.be/
>=20
> --=20
> Sjaak Overgaauw
> http://premonitionfactory.com/
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> http://livelooping.be/
> http://euroloopfest.com/
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i owned a stick back around 1981.... sold it.  Kinda sorry I did.  But  
it was just one more thing I had to learn.

I love what Tony Levin does with it.

r

On Oct 12, 2009, at 4:25 PM, eterogeneo wrote:

> Thanks Richard, I did it last year: the previous flash based one is  
> still on line (you'll find it in the link page), but it wasn't not  
> easy to update, so I moved to html. I did it entirely with iWeb.
>
> ...what about the stick ?
>
> Fabio
> www.eterogeneo.com
>
>
>
> Il giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 23.03, richard sales <richard@glasswing.com 
> > ha scritto:
>
>> fabio,
>>
>> did you re do your site recently?  Looks great
>>
>> R
>>
>> richard sales
>> www.glasswing.com
>> www.richardsales.com
>> www.hayleysales.com
>> On Oct 12, 2009, at 1:04 PM, eterogeneo wrote:
>>
>>> What exactly do you hate about the Stick ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Fabio
>>> www.eterogeneo.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Il giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 21.38, tim echols <eekamouse67@yahoo.com 
>>> > ha scritto:
>>>
>>>> it looks like it solves everything i hate about the stick.  
>>>> (there, i said it!)  start single, go double, with a looper, and  
>>>> all you would need to import are the percussive elements.  and,  
>>>> you get a really nice lapsteel to boot!!!
>>>>
>>>> time
>>>>
>>>> Mon, 10/12/09, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> From: Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Kelstone
>>>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>>>> Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 1:20 PM
>>>>> it looks & sounds like a stick with
>>>>> passive electronics. considering the prices the tapping
>>>>> instruments cost, the kelston is no so expensive.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2009/10/12 richard sales <richard@glasswing.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> it doesn't look dreadfully
>>>>> hard - here's a basic instructional
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.kelstone.be/library
>>>>> richard
>>>>> sales
>>>>> www.glasswing.comwww.richardsales.com
>>>>> www.hayleysales.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 12, 2009, at
>>>>> 4:59 AM, Sjaak Overgaauw wrote:
>>>>> Hi Eric,
>>>>> I like the Kelstone as a concept and I'm curious how it
>>>>> sounds and how
>>>>> easy it is to play compared to a guitar or bass. Anyway, it
>>>>> looks like
>>>>>
>>>>> an instrument with a lot of potential. http://www.kelstone.be/
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Sjaak Overgaauw
>>>>> http://premonitionfactory.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> http://livelooping.be/
>>>>> http://euroloopfest.com/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

richard sales
www.glasswing.com
www.richardsales.com
www.hayleysales.com







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more thing I had to learn. &nbsp;<div><br></div><div>I love what Tony =
Levin does with =
it.</div><div><br></div><div>r</div><div><br><div><div>On Oct 12, 2009, =
at 4:25 PM, eterogeneo wrote:</div><br =
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page), but it wasn't not easy to update, so I moved to html. I did it =
entirely with iWeb. &nbsp; &nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>...what =
about the stick ?</div><div><br></div><div>Fabio</div><div><a =
href=3D"http://www.eterogeneo.com">www.eterogeneo.com</a></div><div><br></=
div><div><br><br>Il giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 23.03, richard sales =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:richard@glasswing.com">richard@glasswing.com</a>&gt;=
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type=3D"cite"><div>fabio,<div><br></div><div>did you re do your site =
recently? &nbsp;Looks =
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class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Arial">richard =
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<div><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#908E38"><a =
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exactly do you hate about the Stick ?<br><br><br>Fabio<br><a =
href=3D"http://www.eterogeneo.com"></a><a =
href=3D"http://www.eterogeneo.com">www.eterogeneo.com</a><br><br><br>Il =
giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 21.38, tim echols &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:eekamouse67@yahoo.com">eekamouse67@yahoo.com</a>&gt; ha =
scritto:<br><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">it looks like it solves =
everything i hate about the stick. (there, i said it!) &nbsp;start =
single, go double, with a looper, and all you would need to import are =
the percussive elements. &nbsp;and, you get a really nice lapsteel to =
boot!!!<br></blockquote><blockquote =
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lockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Subject: Re: =
Kelstone<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"></a><a =
href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@looper=
s-delight.com</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, =
1:20 PM<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote=
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with<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">passive electronics. considering the prices the =
tapping<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite">instruments cost, the kelston is no so =
expensive.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">2009/10/12 richard sales &lt;<a =
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instructional<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><a =
href=3D"http://www.kelstone.be/library">http://www.kelstone.be/library</a>=
<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">richard<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">sales<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><a =
href=3D"http://www.glasswing.comwww.richardsales.com">www.glasswing.comwww=
.richardsales.com</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><a =
href=3D"http://www.hayleysales.com">www.hayleysales.com</a><br></blockquot=
e></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Oct 12, 2009, =
at<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">4:59 AM, Sjaak Overgaauw =
wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Hi Eric,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">I like the Kelstone as a concept =
and I'm curious how it<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">sounds and =
how<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">easy it is to play compared to a guitar or bass. Anyway, =
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type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
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some years ago i switched from a grand stick to a 8 strings warr guitar. 12
strings were too much for this lazy brain i have :-) visibility of neck
improves too ... although i try to avoid it as much as possible.

2009/10/13 richard sales <richard@glasswing.com>

> i owned a stick back around 1981.... sold it.  Kinda sorry I did.  But it
> was just one more thing I had to learn.
> I love what Tony Levin does with it.
>
> r
>
> On Oct 12, 2009, at 4:25 PM, eterogeneo wrote:
>
> Thanks Richard, I did it last year: the previous flash based one is still
> on line (you'll find it in the link page), but it wasn't not easy to update,
> so I moved to html. I did it entirely with iWeb.
>
> ...what about the stick ?
>
> Fabio
> www.eterogeneo.com
>
>
>
> Il giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 23.03, richard sales <
> richard@glasswing.com> ha scritto:
>
> fabio,
> did you re do your site recently?  Looks great
> R
>
> richard sales
> <http://www.glasswing.com>www.glasswing.com
> <http://www.richardsales.com>www.richardsales.com
> <http://www.hayleysales.com>www.hayleysales.com
> On Oct 12, 2009, at 1:04 PM, eterogeneo wrote:
>
> What exactly do you hate about the Stick ?
>
>
> Fabio
> <http://www.eterogeneo.com>www.eterogeneo.com
>
>
> Il giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 21.38, tim echols <eekamouse67@yahoo.com>
> ha scritto:
>
> it looks like it solves everything i hate about the stick. (there, i said
> it!)  start single, go double, with a looper, and all you would need to
> import are the percussive elements.  and, you get a really nice lapsteel to
> boot!!!
>
>
> time
>
>
> Mon, 10/12/09, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>
>
> Subject: Re: Kelstone
>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>
> Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 1:20 PM
>
> it looks & sounds like a stick with
>
> passive electronics. considering the prices the tapping
>
> instruments cost, the kelston is no so expensive.
>
>
> 2009/10/12 richard sales <richard@glasswing.com>
>
>
> it doesn't look dreadfully
>
> hard - here's a basic instructional
>
>
> http://www.kelstone.be/library
>
> richard
>
> sales
>
> www.glasswing.comwww.richardsales.com
>
> www.hayleysales.com
>
>
>
> On Oct 12, 2009, at
>
> 4:59 AM, Sjaak Overgaauw wrote:
>
> Hi Eric,
>
> I like the Kelstone as a concept and I'm curious how it
>
> sounds and how
>
> easy it is to play compared to a guitar or bass. Anyway, it
>
> looks like
>
>
> an instrument with a lot of potential. <http://www.kelstone.be/>
> http://www.kelstone.be/
>
>
> --
>
> Sjaak Overgaauw
>
> http://premonitionfactory.com/
>
>
> http://livelooping.be/
>
> http://euroloopfest.com/
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> Raul Bonell at Blogger: <http://raulbonell.blogspot.com>
> http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
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> richard sales
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some years ago i switched from a grand stick to a 8 strings warr guitar. 12=
 strings were too much for this lazy brain i have :-) visibility of neck im=
proves too ... although i try to avoid it as much as possible.<br><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">
2009/10/13 richard sales <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:richard@gl=
asswing.com">richard@glasswing.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt=
 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word;">i owned a stick back around 1981.... =
sold it. =A0Kinda sorry I did. =A0But it was just one more thing I had to l=
earn. =A0<div><br></div><div>I love what Tony Levin does with it.</div><div=
><br>
</div><font color=3D"#888888"><div>r</div></font><div><div></div><div class=
=3D"h5"><div><br><div><div>On Oct 12, 2009, at 4:25 PM, eterogeneo wrote:</=
div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>Thanks Rich=
ard, I did it last year: the previous flash based one is still on line (you=
&#39;ll find it in the link page), but it wasn&#39;t not easy to update, so=
 I moved to html. I did it entirely with iWeb. =A0 =A0</div>
<div>=A0</div><div>...what about the stick ?</div><div><br></div><div>Fabio=
</div><div><a href=3D"http://www.eterogeneo.com" target=3D"_blank">www.eter=
ogeneo.com</a></div><div><br></div><div><br><br>Il giorno 12/ott/2009, alle=
 ore 23.03, richard sales &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:richard@glasswing.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">richard@glasswing.com</a>&gt; ha scritto:<br>
<br></div><div></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>fabio,<div><br></div><d=
iv>did you re do your site recently? =A0Looks great<div><br></div><div>R</d=
iv><div><br></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 12px;"><div><font face=3D"=
Arial">richard sales</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#908e38"><a href=3D"http://www.glasswing.com" target=3D=
"_blank"></a><a href=3D"http://www.glasswing.com" target=3D"_blank">www.gla=
sswing.com</a></font></div><div><font color=3D"#908e38"><a href=3D"http://w=
ww.richardsales.com" target=3D"_blank"></a><a href=3D"http://www.richardsal=
es.com" target=3D"_blank">www.richardsales.com</a></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#908e38"><a href=3D"http://www.hayleysales.com" target=
=3D"_blank"></a><a href=3D"http://www.hayleysales.com" target=3D"_blank">ww=
w.hayleysales.com</a></font></div></span><div><div>On Oct 12, 2009, at 1:04=
 PM, eterogeneo wrote:</div>
<br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>What exactly do you hate about the Stick=
 ?<br><br><br>Fabio<br><a href=3D"http://www.eterogeneo.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk"></a><a href=3D"http://www.eterogeneo.com" target=3D"_blank">www.eteroge=
neo.com</a><br>
<br><br>Il giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 21.38, tim echols &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:eekamouse67@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">eekamouse67@yahoo.com</a>&gt;=
 ha scritto:<br><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">it looks like it solves every=
thing i hate about the stick. (there, i said it!) =A0start single, go doubl=
e, with a looper, and all you would need to import are the percussive eleme=
nts. =A0and, you get a really nice lapsteel to boot!!!<br>
</blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D=
"cite">time<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite">Mon, 10/12/09, Raul Bonell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:raul=
.bonell@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">raul.bonell@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<b=
r>
</blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">From: Raul Bonell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ra=
ul.bonell@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">raul.bonell@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br></b=
lockquote>
</blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Subject: R=
e: Kelstone<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockqu=
ote type=3D"cite">To: <a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=
" target=3D"_blank"></a><a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.c=
om" target=3D"_blank">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a><br>
</blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cit=
e">Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 1:20 PM<br></blockquote></blockquote><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">it looks &amp; sounds like=
 a stick with<br>
</blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cit=
e">passive electronics. considering the prices the tapping<br></blockquote>=
</blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">instrument=
s cost, the kelston is no so expensive.<br>
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e"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=
=3D"cite">2009/10/12 richard sales &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:richard@glasswing.=
com" target=3D"_blank">richard@glasswing.com</a>&gt;<br>
</blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cit=
e"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=
=3D"cite">it doesn&#39;t look dreadfully<br></blockquote></blockquote><bloc=
kquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">hard - here&#39;s a basic instructional<br></bloc=
kquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><br=
></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"ci=
te"><a href=3D"http://www.kelstone.be/library" target=3D"_blank">http://www=
.kelstone.be/library</a><br>
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e">richard<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquo=
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e"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquo=
te type=3D"cite">
On Oct 12, 2009, at<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">=
<blockquote type=3D"cite">4:59 AM, Sjaak Overgaauw wrote:<br></blockquote><=
/blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Hi Eric,<br=
></blockquote>
</blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">I like the=
 Kelstone as a concept and I&#39;m curious how it<br></blockquote></blockqu=
ote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">sounds and how<br><=
/blockquote>
</blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">easy it is=
 to play compared to a guitar or bass. Anyway, it<br></blockquote></blockqu=
ote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">looks like<br></blo=
ckquote>
</blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></bloc=
kquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">an =
instrument with a lot of potential. <a href=3D"http://www.kelstone.be/" tar=
get=3D"_blank"></a><a href=3D"http://www.kelstone.be/" target=3D"_blank">ht=
tp://www.kelstone.be/</a><br>
</blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cit=
e"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=
=3D"cite">-- <br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><block=
quote type=3D"cite">
Sjaak Overgaauw<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite"><a href=3D"http://premonitionfactory.com/" target=3D"=
_blank">http://premonitionfactory.com/</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><a href=3D"http://livelooping.be/" target=
=3D"_blank">http://livelooping.be/</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockq=
uote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><a href=3D"http://euroloopfest.com/" target=3D"_b=
lank">http://euroloopfest.com/</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><bloc=
kquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><bloc=
kquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><bloc=
kquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><bloc=
kquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><bloc=
kquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">-- <br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Raul Bonell at Blogger: <a href=3D"http=
://raulbonell.blogspot.com" target=3D"_blank"></a><a href=3D"http://raulbon=
ell.blogspot.com" target=3D"_blank">http://raulbonell.blogspot.com</a><br>
</blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cit=
e"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=
=3D"cite">Chain Tape Collective: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-collective.com" t=
arget=3D"_blank"></a><a href=3D"http://www.ct-collective.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
</blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cit=
e"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquo=
te type=3D"cite">
<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></bl=
ockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><br></div></blockquote>=
</div>
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nt-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: no=
rmal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; tex=
t-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px=
;"><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word;">
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-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: =
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><div st=
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0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><div st=
yle=3D"word-wrap: break-word;">
<span style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:=
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yle=3D"word-wrap: break-word;">
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n><br></div></span><br></div></span><br> </div><br></div></div></div></bloc=
kquote></div></blockquote></div><br><div> <span style=3D"border-collapse: s=
eparate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font=
-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-=
space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word;">
<span style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:=
 Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font=
-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: =
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><div st=
yle=3D"word-wrap: break-word;">
<span style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:=
 Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font=
-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: =
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><div st=
yle=3D"word-wrap: break-word;">
<span style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:=
 Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font=
-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: =
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><div st=
yle=3D"word-wrap: break-word;">
<div><font face=3D"Arial">richard sales</font></div><div><font color=3D"#90=
8e38"><a href=3D"http://www.glasswing.com" target=3D"_blank">www.glasswing.=
com</a></font></div><div><font color=3D"#908e38"><a href=3D"http://www.rich=
ardsales.com" target=3D"_blank">www.richardsales.com</a></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#908e38"><a href=3D"http://www.hayleysales.com" target=
=3D"_blank">www.hayleysales.com</a></font></div><div><br></div></div></span=
><br></div></span><br></div></span><br></div></span><br> </div><br></div></=
div>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Raul Bonell=
 at Blogger: <a href=3D"http://raulbonell.blogspot.com">http://raulbonell.b=
logspot.com</a><br>Chain Tape Collective: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-collecti=
ve.com">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
<br>

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Mech schrieb:
> Actually, I never really knew anything about Tim Exile, but I did get a 
> piece of promo-spam from Native Instruments for this:
> 
> http://www.native-instruments.com/#/en/products/producer/powered-by-kore/the-finger/ 

Thanks for the link, very inspiring. On the NI site he explains pretty 
well what he is doing. Amazing...
This is stuff you'd do normally in Max. (I'll see how close I could get 
with MaxForLive devices...)
I wonder if Finger is really as easy to set up as it seems in the 
videos, it looks like a hell of a lot work to prepare and practice, to 
play it the way he is doing...

Stefan

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http://www.robinguthrie.com/interviews/equipment-notes.php

Live looping

=93I use an Electrix Repeater. It works, it's unstable and the MIDI =20
implementation was written by a sped. I think it's Canadian but that =20
may be a coincidence. I've been through all sorts, the original Jam =20
Man was great but clicked on the loop if you didn't get it just right, =20=

something I am familiar with. As I said in another answer I have an =20
RC50 but haven't fired it up yet. On paper it looks great.=94

Loopers

=93That seems to change every time I play as I haven't really found the =20=

ideal unit - I use a Jam-Man, an Electrix Repeater or a Boomerang =20
depending what works. [ForImperial] Eventide, Echo-Pro, and Steinberg =20=

Grand. [For Violet Indiana performances] Flextone II amp and blue and =20=

green Line 6 stomp boxes.=94=

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Thanks for sharing your experience.

fabio
www.eterogeneo.com

2009/10/13 Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>

> some years ago i switched from a grand stick to a 8 strings warr guitar. 12
> strings were too much for this lazy brain i have :-) visibility of neck
> improves too ... although i try to avoid it as much as possible.
>
> 2009/10/13 richard sales <richard@glasswing.com>
>
>  i owned a stick back around 1981.... sold it.  Kinda sorry I did.  But it
>> was just one more thing I had to learn.
>> I love what Tony Levin does with it.
>>
>> r
>>
>>  On Oct 12, 2009, at 4:25 PM, eterogeneo wrote:
>>
>>  Thanks Richard, I did it last year: the previous flash based one is
>> still on line (you'll find it in the link page), but it wasn't not easy to
>> update, so I moved to html. I did it entirely with iWeb.
>>
>> ...what about the stick ?
>>
>> Fabio
>> www.eterogeneo.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Il giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 23.03, richard sales <
>> richard@glasswing.com> ha scritto:
>>
>>  fabio,
>> did you re do your site recently?  Looks great
>> R
>>
>>  richard sales
>>  <http://www.glasswing.com/>www.glasswing.com
>>  <http://www.richardsales.com/>www.richardsales.com
>>  <http://www.hayleysales.com/>www.hayleysales.com
>>  On Oct 12, 2009, at 1:04 PM, eterogeneo wrote:
>>
>>  What exactly do you hate about the Stick ?
>>
>>
>> Fabio
>> <http://www.eterogeneo.com/>www.eterogeneo.com
>>
>>
>> Il giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 21.38, tim echols <eekamouse67@yahoo.com>
>> ha scritto:
>>
>> it looks like it solves everything i hate about the stick. (there, i said
>> it!)  start single, go double, with a looper, and all you would need to
>> import are the percussive elements.  and, you get a really nice lapsteel to
>> boot!!!
>>
>>
>> time
>>
>>
>> Mon, 10/12/09, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>  From: Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>
>>
>>  Subject: Re: Kelstone
>>
>>  To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>
>>  Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 1:20 PM
>>
>>  it looks & sounds like a stick with
>>
>>  passive electronics. considering the prices the tapping
>>
>>  instruments cost, the kelston is no so expensive.
>>
>>
>>  2009/10/12 richard sales <richard@glasswing.com>
>>
>>
>>  it doesn't look dreadfully
>>
>>  hard - here's a basic instructional
>>
>>
>>  http://www.kelstone.be/library
>>
>>  richard
>>
>>  sales
>>
>>  www.glasswing.comwww.richardsales.com
>>
>>  www.hayleysales.com
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Oct 12, 2009, at
>>
>>  4:59 AM, Sjaak Overgaauw wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Eric,
>>
>>  I like the Kelstone as a concept and I'm curious how it
>>
>>  sounds and how
>>
>>  easy it is to play compared to a guitar or bass. Anyway, it
>>
>>  looks like
>>
>>
>>  an instrument with a lot of potential. <http://www.kelstone.be/>
>> http://www.kelstone.be/
>>
>>
>>  --
>>
>>  Sjaak Overgaauw
>>
>>  http://premonitionfactory.com/
>>
>>
>>  http://livelooping.be/
>>
>>  http://euroloopfest.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  --
>>
>>  Raul Bonell at Blogger: <http://raulbonell.blogspot.com/>
>> http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>>  Chain Tape Collective: <http://www.ct-collective.com/>
>> http://www.ct-collective.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    richard sales
>> www.glasswing.com
>> www.richardsales.com
>> www.hayleysales.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
> Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
>
>

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<div>Thanks for=A0sharing your experience.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>fabio</div>
<div><a href=3D"http://www.eterogeneo.com/">www.eterogeneo.com</a><br><br><=
/div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/10/13 Raul Bonell <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.com">raul.bonell@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><=
br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">some years ago i switched from a=
 grand stick to a 8 strings warr guitar. 12 strings were too much for this =
lazy brain i have :-) visibility of neck improves too ... although i try to=
 avoid it as much as possible.<br>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/10/13 richard sales <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:richard@glasswing.com" target=3D"_blank">richard@glasswing=
.com</a>&gt;</span>=20
<div>
<div></div>
<div class=3D"h5"><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0=
pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">
<div style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word">i owned a stick back around 1981.... s=
old it. =A0Kinda sorry I did. =A0But it was just one more thing I had to le=
arn. =A0=20
<div><br></div>
<div>I love what Tony Levin does with it.</div>
<div><br></div><font color=3D"#888888">
<div>r</div></font>
<div>
<div></div>
<div>
<div><br>
<div>
<div>On Oct 12, 2009, at 4:25 PM, eterogeneo wrote:</div><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">
<div>Thanks Richard, I did it last year: the previous flash based one is st=
ill on line (you&#39;ll find it in the link page), but it wasn&#39;t not ea=
sy to update, so I moved to html. I did it entirely with iWeb. =A0 =A0</div=
>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>...what about the stick ?</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Fabio</div>
<div><a href=3D"http://www.eterogeneo.com/" target=3D"_blank">www.eterogene=
o.com</a></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br><br>Il giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 23.03, richard sales &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:richard@glasswing.com" target=3D"_blank">richard@glasswing.com=
</a>&gt; ha scritto:<br><br></div>
<div></div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>fabio,=20
<div><br></div>
<div>did you re do your site recently? =A0Looks great=20
<div><br></div>
<div>R</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12px">
<div><font face=3D"Arial">richard sales</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#908e38"><a href=3D"http://www.glasswing.com/" target=
=3D"_blank"></a><a href=3D"http://www.glasswing.com/" target=3D"_blank">www=
.glasswing.com</a></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#908e38"><a href=3D"http://www.richardsales.com/" targe=
t=3D"_blank"></a><a href=3D"http://www.richardsales.com/" target=3D"_blank"=
>www.richardsales.com</a></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#908e38"><a href=3D"http://www.hayleysales.com/" target=
=3D"_blank"></a><a href=3D"http://www.hayleysales.com/" target=3D"_blank">w=
ww.hayleysales.com</a></font></div></span>
<div>
<div>On Oct 12, 2009, at 1:04 PM, eterogeneo wrote:</div><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>What exactly do you hate about the Stick ?<br><br><br>Fabio<br><a href=
=3D"http://www.eterogeneo.com/" target=3D"_blank"></a><a href=3D"http://www=
.eterogeneo.com/" target=3D"_blank">www.eterogeneo.com</a><br><br><br>Il gi=
orno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 21.38, tim echols &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eekamous=
e67@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">eekamouse67@yahoo.com</a>&gt; ha scritto:<=
br>
<br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">it looks like it solves everything i hate about t=
he stick. (there, i said it!) =A0start single, go double, with a looper, an=
d all you would need to import are the percussive elements. =A0and, you get=
 a really nice lapsteel to boot!!!<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">time<br></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">Mon, 10/12/09, Raul Bonell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
raul.bonell@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">raul.bonell@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrot=
e:<br></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">From: Raul Bonell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:raul.bone=
ll@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">raul.bonell@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br></blockquo=
te></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">Subject: Re: Kelstone<br></blockquote></blockquot=
e>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">To: <a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-del=
ight.com" target=3D"_blank"></a><a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-d=
elight.com" target=3D"_blank">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a><br></=
blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 1:20 PM<br></bloc=
kquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">it looks &amp; sounds like a stick with<br></bloc=
kquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">passive electronics. considering the prices the t=
apping<br></blockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">instruments cost, the kelston is no so expensive.=
<br></blockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">2009/10/12 richard sales &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ri=
chard@glasswing.com" target=3D"_blank">richard@glasswing.com</a>&gt;<br></b=
lockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">it doesn&#39;t look dreadfully<br></blockquote></=
blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">hard - here&#39;s a basic instructional<br></bloc=
kquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><a href=3D"http://www.kelstone.be/library" target=
=3D"_blank">http://www.kelstone.be/library</a><br></blockquote></blockquote=
>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">richard<br></blockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">sales<br></blockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><a href=3D"http://www.glasswing.comwww.richardsal=
es.com/" target=3D"_blank">www.glasswing.comwww.richardsales.com</a><br></b=
lockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><a href=3D"http://www.hayleysales.com/" target=3D=
"_blank">www.hayleysales.com</a><br></blockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">On Oct 12, 2009, at<br></blockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">4:59 AM, Sjaak Overgaauw wrote:<br></blockquote><=
/blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">Hi Eric,<br></blockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">I like the Kelstone as a concept and I&#39;m curi=
ous how it<br></blockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">sounds and how<br></blockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">easy it is to play compared to a guitar or bass. =
Anyway, it<br></blockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">looks like<br></blockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">an instrument with a lot of potential. <a href=3D=
"http://www.kelstone.be/" target=3D"_blank"></a><a href=3D"http://www.kelst=
one.be/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.kelstone.be/</a><br></blockquote></bl=
ockquote>

<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">-- <br></blockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">Sjaak Overgaauw<br></blockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><a href=3D"http://premonitionfactory.com/" target=
=3D"_blank">http://premonitionfactory.com/</a><br></blockquote></blockquote=
>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><a href=3D"http://livelooping.be/" target=3D"_bla=
nk">http://livelooping.be/</a><br></blockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><a href=3D"http://euroloopfest.com/" target=3D"_b=
lank">http://euroloopfest.com/</a><br></blockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">-- <br></blockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">Raul Bonell at Blogger: <a href=3D"http://raulbon=
ell.blogspot.com/" target=3D"_blank"></a><a href=3D"http://raulbonell.blogs=
pot.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://raulbonell.blogspot.com</a><br></blockqu=
ote></blockquote>

<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">Chain Tape Collective: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-c=
ollective.com/" target=3D"_blank"></a><a href=3D"http://www.ct-collective.c=
om/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br></blockquote></b=
lockquote>

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>
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<div><br></div></span><br></div></span><br></div></span><br></div></span><b=
r></div><br></div></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><br>
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<div><font face=3D"Arial">richard sales</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#908e38"><a href=3D"http://www.glasswing.com/" target=
=3D"_blank">www.glasswing.com</a></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#908e38"><a href=3D"http://www.richardsales.com/" targe=
t=3D"_blank">www.richardsales.com</a></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#908e38"><a href=3D"http://www.hayleysales.com/" target=
=3D"_blank">www.hayleysales.com</a></font></div>
<div><br></div></div></span><br></div></span><br></div></span><br></div></s=
pan><br></div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div>
<div>
<div></div>
<div class=3D"h5"><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Raul Bonell at Blogger: =
<a href=3D"http://raulbonell.blogspot.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://raulbo=
nell.blogspot.com</a><br>Chain Tape Collective: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-co=
llective.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
<br></div></div></blockquote></div><br>

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If I could afford it I would buy an NS/Stick half fretless right away.
That's the instrument of my dreams (and has been quite a long time
even before it was invented)! It has eight strings and the fretboard
divided into two sections: four fretless bass strings and four fretted
drop-B strings. This collaboration between Steinberg and Chapman
Enterprises seems to be the ultimate marriage of tapping, plucking,
fretless and regular guitar technique playing. I'm not too bothered
that there are only eight strings because the two sides overlap a bit
in note span and thanks to that you will be able to play a lot of
closely voiced chords that are difficult on a regular guitar. I have
built "no cost" fretless and drop-B solutions here from old electric
guitars of mine, but having it all-in-one would be so much better.
Especially as the stick comes with two separated mic outputs making it
possible to treat each side of the fretboard with different effects,
loopers etc. Thinking about what can be achieved in ways of musical
expression with that multi technique instrument is exciting! I hope I
will get a chance one day to start exploring this instrument.

http://www.stick.com/news/halffretless_ns.html

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com



On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:29 AM, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:
> some years ago i switched from a grand stick to a 8 strings warr guitar. =
12
> strings were too much for this lazy brain i have :-) visibility of neck
> improves too ... although i try to avoid it as much as possible.
>
> 2009/10/13 richard sales <richard@glasswing.com>
>>
>> i owned a stick back around 1981.... sold it. =C2=A0Kinda sorry I did. =
=C2=A0But it
>> was just one more thing I had to learn.
>> I love what Tony Levin does with it.
>> r
>> On Oct 12, 2009, at 4:25 PM, eterogeneo wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Richard, I did it last year: the previous flash based one is stil=
l
>> on line (you'll find it in the link page), but it wasn't not easy to upd=
ate,
>> so I moved to html. I did it entirely with iWeb.
>>
>> ...what about the stick ?
>> Fabio
>> www.eterogeneo.com
>>
>>
>> Il giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 23.03, richard sales
>> <richard@glasswing.com> ha scritto:
>>
>> fabio,
>> did you re do your site recently? =C2=A0Looks great
>> R
>> richard sales
>> www.glasswing.com
>> www.richardsales.com
>> www.hayleysales.com
>> On Oct 12, 2009, at 1:04 PM, eterogeneo wrote:
>>
>> What exactly do you hate about the Stick ?
>>
>>
>> Fabio
>> www.eterogeneo.com
>>
>>
>> Il giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 21.38, tim echols <eekamouse67@yahoo.com=
>
>> ha scritto:
>>
>> it looks like it solves everything i hate about the stick. (there, i sai=
d
>> it!) =C2=A0start single, go double, with a looper, and all you would nee=
d to
>> import are the percussive elements. =C2=A0and, you get a really nice lap=
steel to
>> boot!!!
>>
>> time
>>
>> Mon, 10/12/09, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>
>>
>> Subject: Re: Kelstone
>>
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>
>> Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 1:20 PM
>>
>> it looks & sounds like a stick with
>>
>> passive electronics. considering the prices the tapping
>>
>> instruments cost, the kelston is no so expensive.
>>
>> 2009/10/12 richard sales <richard@glasswing.com>
>>
>> it doesn't look dreadfully
>>
>> hard - here's a basic instructional
>>
>> http://www.kelstone.be/library
>>
>> richard
>>
>> sales
>>
>> www.glasswing.comwww.richardsales.com
>>
>> www.hayleysales.com
>>
>>
>> On Oct 12, 2009, at
>>
>> 4:59 AM, Sjaak Overgaauw wrote:
>>
>> Hi Eric,
>>
>> I like the Kelstone as a concept and I'm curious how it
>>
>> sounds and how
>>
>> easy it is to play compared to a guitar or bass. Anyway, it
>>
>> looks like
>>
>> an instrument with a lot of potential. http://www.kelstone.be/
>>
>> --
>>
>> Sjaak Overgaauw
>>
>> http://premonitionfactory.com/
>>
>> http://livelooping.be/
>>
>> http://euroloopfest.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
>>
>> Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> richard sales
>> www.glasswing.com
>> www.richardsales.com
>> www.hayleysales.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
> Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
>
>

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On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 7:21 AM, Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com> wrote:
> http://www.robinguthrie.com/interviews/equipment-notes.php

Thanks, Mark. I will read this with the greatest interest; he seems to
be talking a bit about the production of some albums I like a lot.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
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Yes very interesting instrument Per, but i noticed a curiuos tendence
to exibit in this forum instruments<br>
that are intended to make play many istruments together by one musician
(one man band playing istruments) <br>
in this case is fr bass + guitar etc etc. I think is for the tendence
that live loopers have to play alone.<br>
So i sincerily don't' like to play alone, although sometimes i do, but
many times I use Live looping <br>
techniques together with other musicians. <br>
This give me the occasion to open a little forum on your experiences 
and your opinions: <br>
is live looping only a one man band playing technique?<br>
thanks <br>
greetings from Florence! <br>
Max Liver<br>
<br>
Per Boysen ha scritto:
<blockquote
 cite="mid:66f9cc1e0910130100j6ee2af5ei532d938b04f7505c@mail.gmail.com"
 type="cite">
  <pre wrap="">If I could afford it I would buy an NS/Stick half fretless right away.
That's the instrument of my dreams (and has been quite a long time
even before it was invented)! It has eight strings and the fretboard
divided into two sections: four fretless bass strings and four fretted
drop-B strings. This collaboration between Steinberg and Chapman
Enterprises seems to be the ultimate marriage of tapping, plucking,
fretless and regular guitar technique playing. I'm not too bothered
that there are only eight strings because the two sides overlap a bit
in note span and thanks to that you will be able to play a lot of
closely voiced chords that are difficult on a regular guitar. I have
built "no cost" fretless and drop-B solutions here from old electric
guitars of mine, but having it all-in-one would be so much better.
Especially as the stick comes with two separated mic outputs making it
possible to treat each side of the fretboard with different effects,
loopers etc. Thinking about what can be achieved in ways of musical
expression with that multi technique instrument is exciting! I hope I
will get a chance one day to start exploring this instrument.

<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.stick.com/news/halffretless_ns.html">http://www.stick.com/news/halffretless_ns.html</a>

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.boysen.se">www.boysen.se</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.perboysen.com">www.perboysen.com</a>



On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:29 AM, Raul Bonell <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.com">&lt;raul.bonell@gmail.com&gt;</a> wrote:
  </pre>
  <blockquote type="cite">
    <pre wrap="">some years ago i switched from a grand stick to a 8 strings warr guitar. 12
strings were too much for this lazy brain i have :-) visibility of neck
improves too ... although i try to avoid it as much as possible.

2009/10/13 richard sales <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:richard@glasswing.com">&lt;richard@glasswing.com&gt;</a>
    </pre>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      <pre wrap="">i owned a stick back around 1981.... sold it.  Kinda sorry I did.  But it
was just one more thing I had to learn.
I love what Tony Levin does with it.
r
On Oct 12, 2009, at 4:25 PM, eterogeneo wrote:

Thanks Richard, I did it last year: the previous flash based one is still
on line (you'll find it in the link page), but it wasn't not easy to update,
so I moved to html. I did it entirely with iWeb.

...what about the stick ?
Fabio
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.eterogeneo.com">www.eterogeneo.com</a>


Il giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 23.03, richard sales
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:richard@glasswing.com">&lt;richard@glasswing.com&gt;</a> ha scritto:

fabio,
did you re do your site recently?  Looks great
R
richard sales
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.glasswing.com">www.glasswing.com</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.richardsales.com">www.richardsales.com</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.hayleysales.com">www.hayleysales.com</a>
On Oct 12, 2009, at 1:04 PM, eterogeneo wrote:

What exactly do you hate about the Stick ?


Fabio
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.eterogeneo.com">www.eterogeneo.com</a>


Il giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 21.38, tim echols <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:eekamouse67@yahoo.com">&lt;eekamouse67@yahoo.com&gt;</a>
ha scritto:

it looks like it solves everything i hate about the stick. (there, i said
it!)  start single, go double, with a looper, and all you would need to
import are the percussive elements.  and, you get a really nice lapsteel to
boot!!!

time

Mon, 10/12/09, Raul Bonell <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.com">&lt;raul.bonell@gmail.com&gt;</a> wrote:

From: Raul Bonell <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.com">&lt;raul.bonell@gmail.com&gt;</a>

Subject: Re: Kelstone

To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a>

Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 1:20 PM

it looks &amp; sounds like a stick with

passive electronics. considering the prices the tapping

instruments cost, the kelston is no so expensive.

2009/10/12 richard sales <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:richard@glasswing.com">&lt;richard@glasswing.com&gt;</a>

it doesn't look dreadfully

hard - here's a basic instructional

<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.kelstone.be/library">http://www.kelstone.be/library</a>

richard

sales

<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.glasswing.comwww.richardsales.com">www.glasswing.comwww.richardsales.com</a>

<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.hayleysales.com">www.hayleysales.com</a>


On Oct 12, 2009, at

4:59 AM, Sjaak Overgaauw wrote:

Hi Eric,

I like the Kelstone as a concept and I'm curious how it

sounds and how

easy it is to play compared to a guitar or bass. Anyway, it

looks like

an instrument with a lot of potential. <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.kelstone.be/">http://www.kelstone.be/</a>

--

Sjaak Overgaauw

<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://premonitionfactory.com/">http://premonitionfactory.com/</a>

<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://livelooping.be/">http://livelooping.be/</a>

<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://euroloopfest.com/">http://euroloopfest.com/</a>
















--

Raul Bonell at Blogger: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://raulbonell.blogspot.com">http://raulbonell.blogspot.com</a>

Chain Tape Collective: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ct-collective.com">http://www.ct-collective.com</a>

















richard sales
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.glasswing.com">www.glasswing.com</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.richardsales.com">www.richardsales.com</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.hayleysales.com">www.hayleysales.com</a>





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--
Raul Bonell at Blogger: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://raulbonell.blogspot.com">http://raulbonell.blogspot.com</a>
Chain Tape Collective: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ct-collective.com">http://www.ct-collective.com</a>


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yes guys have a wonderful gig and keep us posted wish i could have been the=
re with you!=0Acheers=0ALuis=0A=0Awww.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A---=
 Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com> schrieb am Mo, 12.10.2009:=0A=0A> Von: Z=
oe Keating <info@zoekeating.com>=0A> Betreff: have a great Loopfest!=0A> An=
: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A> Datum: Montag, 12. Oktober 2009, =
14:32=0A> have a great loopfest ya'll and sorry=0A> i can't make it.=0A> ne=
xt year.....=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A=0A__________________________________________=
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Hi Daniel=0ABrilliant man! =0Aim the one who is been asking lately about th=
e QY100 and how to do sequencing looping so is really great to see this in =
action!=0Acan you develop more on the proccess? do you sequence every part =
and start looping in realtime ? didnt hear a click track how do you cue to =
start?=0Acheers=0ALuis=0A=0Awww.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A--- Danie=
l Berkman <danielberkman@mac.com> schrieb am Mo, 12.10.2009:=0A=0A> Von: Da=
niel Berkman <danielberkman@mac.com>=0A> Betreff: QY100 and Handsonic=0A> A=
n: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A> Datum: Montag, 12. Oktober 2009,=
 13:41=0A> Hey there Liveloopers!=0A> =0A> I've been following your emails =
for a couple months now.=0A> Really great work and a great forum for sharin=
g all this=0A> loop related stuff!=0A> =0A> I, for one, use the Line 6 DL4,=
 the Oberheim Echoplex and=0A> an RC50. I'm definitely wanting to branch ou=
t into software=0A> looping.=0A> I've dabbled in Guitar Rig's looper (glitc=
hy but cool) and=0A> wanting to explore Abelton Live. For now, though, I'm=
=0A> addicted to the hardware pedals and in particular, the DL4.=0A> =0A> T=
here have also been quite a few emails regarding the QY100=0A> and I just w=
anted to share a couple of youtube vids I did=0A> featuring the QY, the Lin=
e 6 DL4 and the Roland Handsonic.=0A> =0A> Enjoy!=0A> =0A> =0A> http://www.=
youtube.com/user/colfaxsound#p/u/4/KAPQkAsooZM=0A> http://www.youtube.com/u=
ser/colfaxsound#p/u/3/tNgBKpzZo54=0A> =0A> =0A> Hope to see you guys in San=
ta Cruz this weekend!=0A> =0A> =0A> Cheers,=0A> Colfax (aka. Daniel Berkman=
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I think most music is more interesting, both to play and listen to others
playing, if more than one musician is playing together. We did that in
Florence as the looping festival's grand finale and it was great fun, but
with ten people on stage there is not much room for each one to also create
loops ;-))

Playing a solo piece and playing as part of an ensemble may require quite
different ways of using your brain and focusing your attention and
creativity. For a musician that has learned to play by himself it may be a
quite big step to jump out and play in a group setting. I think this might
give some background to the fact you are pointing at; that quite a lot of
live loopers prefer to play solo pieces. It's also important to not forget
that we all have different attitudes towards the act of playing music. Some
folks play music because they enjoy the control aspect in creating beauty
while others play for the love of destruction and the "fresh new unknown"
that is born out of chaos. These two musician types together won't make a
band tic, looping or not ;-)

I'd say that the choice is yours! If you play at a festival you may ask the
person playing before or after your set if you could possibly overlap your
sets by ten minutes and play together for a while.

When discussing live looping in group the issue of "sync" is often brought
up. My experience is that sync is not very important. A few times I've
played with brother synced EDP's together with other musicians and that was
really cool - for example, SUS Substitute stuff lining up on a grid much
quick than you can do on one EDP. But I also think it's really cool to not
sync your individual loopers but constantly stay on your toes  and change
your loop as soon as it starts sounding bad together with what the other
musicians are doing. If everyone in a looping band stands
on-the-toes-of-his-ears (jeez, can one put it that way? I'm not native
English speaker) the music that comes out may become quite interesting.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com


On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Massimo Liverani <liverani@het.it> wrote:

>  Yes very interesting instrument Per, but i noticed a curiuos tendence to
> exibit in this forum instruments
> that are intended to make play many istruments together by one musician
> (one man band playing istruments)
> in this case is fr bass + guitar etc etc. I think is for the tendence that
> live loopers have to play alone.
> So i sincerily don't' like to play alone, although sometimes i do, but many
> times I use Live looping
> techniques together with other musicians.
> This give me the occasion to open a little forum on your experiences  and
> your opinions:
> is live looping only a one man band playing technique?
> thanks
> greetings from Florence!
> Max Liver
>
> Per Boysen ha scritto:
>
> If I could afford it I would buy an NS/Stick half fretless right away.
> That's the instrument of my dreams (and has been quite a long time
> even before it was invented)! It has eight strings and the fretboard
> divided into two sections: four fretless bass strings and four fretted
> drop-B strings. This collaboration between Steinberg and Chapman
> Enterprises seems to be the ultimate marriage of tapping, plucking,
> fretless and regular guitar technique playing. I'm not too bothered
> that there are only eight strings because the two sides overlap a bit
> in note span and thanks to that you will be able to play a lot of
> closely voiced chords that are difficult on a regular guitar. I have
> built "no cost" fretless and drop-B solutions here from old electric
> guitars of mine, but having it all-in-one would be so much better.
> Especially as the stick comes with two separated mic outputs making it
> possible to treat each side of the fretboard with different effects,
> loopers etc. Thinking about what can be achieved in ways of musical
> expression with that multi technique instrument is exciting! I hope I
> will get a chance one day to start exploring this instrument.
> http://www.stick.com/news/halffretless_ns.html
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysenwww.boysen.sewww.perboysen.com
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:29 AM, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>  some years ago i switched from a grand stick to a 8 strings warr guitar. 12
> strings were too much for this lazy brain i have :-) visibility of neck
> improves too ... although i try to avoid it as much as possible.
>
> 2009/10/13 richard sales <richard@glasswing.com> <richard@glasswing.com>
>
>  i owned a stick back around 1981.... sold it.  Kinda sorry I did.  But it
> was just one more thing I had to learn.
> I love what Tony Levin does with it.
> r
> On Oct 12, 2009, at 4:25 PM, eterogeneo wrote:
>
> Thanks Richard, I did it last year: the previous flash based one is still
> on line (you'll find it in the link page), but it wasn't not easy to update,
> so I moved to html. I did it entirely with iWeb.
>
> ...what about the stick ?
> Fabiowww.eterogeneo.com
>
>
> Il giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 23.03, richard sales<richard@glasswing.com> <richard@glasswing.com> ha scritto:
>
> fabio,
> did you re do your site recently?  Looks great
> R
> richard saleswww.glasswing.comwww.richardsales.comwww.hayleysales.com
> On Oct 12, 2009, at 1:04 PM, eterogeneo wrote:
>
> What exactly do you hate about the Stick ?
>
>
> Fabiowww.eterogeneo.com
>
>
> Il giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 21.38, tim echols <eekamouse67@yahoo.com> <eekamouse67@yahoo.com>
> ha scritto:
>
> it looks like it solves everything i hate about the stick. (there, i said
> it!)  start single, go double, with a looper, and all you would need to
> import are the percussive elements.  and, you get a really nice lapsteel to
> boot!!!
>
> time
>
> Mon, 10/12/09, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> <raul.bonell@gmail.com>
>
> Subject: Re: Kelstone
>
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>
> Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 1:20 PM
>
> it looks & sounds like a stick with
>
> passive electronics. considering the prices the tapping
>
> instruments cost, the kelston is no so expensive.
>
> 2009/10/12 richard sales <richard@glasswing.com> <richard@glasswing.com>
>
> it doesn't look dreadfully
>
> hard - here's a basic instructional
> http://www.kelstone.be/library
>
> richard
>
> sales
> www.glasswing.comwww.richardsales.com
> www.hayleysales.com
>
>
> On Oct 12, 2009, at
>
> 4:59 AM, Sjaak Overgaauw wrote:
>
> Hi Eric,
>
> I like the Kelstone as a concept and I'm curious how it
>
> sounds and how
>
> easy it is to play compared to a guitar or bass. Anyway, it
>
> looks like
>
> an instrument with a lot of potential. http://www.kelstone.be/
>
> --
>
> Sjaak Overgaauw
> http://premonitionfactory.com/
> http://livelooping.be/
> http://euroloopfest.com/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
>
> Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> richard saleswww.glasswing.comwww.richardsales.comwww.hayleysales.com
>
>
>
>
>
>        --
> Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
> Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
>
>
>
>
> --
>

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I think most music is more interesting, both to play and listen to others p=
laying, if more than one musician is playing together. We did that in Flore=
nce as the looping festival&#39;s grand finale and it was great fun, but wi=
th ten people on stage there is not much room for each one to also create l=
oops ;-)) <br>
<br>Playing a solo piece and playing as part of an ensemble may require qui=
te different ways of using your brain and focusing your attention and creat=
ivity. For a musician that has learned to play by himself it may be a quite=
 big step to jump out and play in a group setting. I think this might give =
some background to the fact you are pointing at; that quite a lot of live l=
oopers prefer to play solo pieces. It&#39;s also important to not forget th=
at we all have different attitudes towards the act of playing music. Some f=
olks play music because they enjoy the control aspect in creating beauty wh=
ile others play for the love of destruction and the &quot;fresh new unknown=
&quot; that is born out of chaos. These two musician types together won&#39=
;t make a band tic, looping or not ;-)<br>
<br>I&#39;d say that the choice is yours! If you play at a festival you may=
 ask the person playing before or after your set if you could possibly over=
lap your sets by ten minutes and play together for a while. <br><br>When di=
scussing live looping in group the issue of &quot;sync&quot; is often broug=
ht up. My experience is that sync is not very important. A few times I&#39;=
ve played with brother synced EDP&#39;s together with other musicians and t=
hat was really cool - for example, SUS Substitute stuff lining up on a grid=
 much quick than you can do on one EDP. But I also think it&#39;s really co=
ol to not sync your individual loopers but constantly stay on your toes=C2=
=A0 and change your loop as soon as it starts sounding bad together with wh=
at the other musicians are doing. If everyone in a looping band stands on-t=
he-toes-of-his-ears (jeez, can one put it that way? I&#39;m not native Engl=
ish speaker) the music that comes out may become quite interesting. <br>
<br clear=3D"all">Greetings from Sweden<br><br>Per Boysen <br><a href=3D"ht=
tp://www.boysen.se">www.boysen.se</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.co=
m">www.perboysen.com</a><br>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Massim=
o Liverani <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:liverani@het.it">liveran=
i@het.it</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; p=
adding-left: 1ex;">



 =20

<div bgcolor=3D"#ffffff" text=3D"#000000">
Yes very interesting instrument Per, but i noticed a curiuos tendence
to exibit in this forum instruments<br>
that are intended to make play many istruments together by one musician
(one man band playing istruments) <br>
in this case is fr bass + guitar etc etc. I think is for the tendence
that live loopers have to play alone.<br>
So i sincerily don&#39;t&#39; like to play alone, although sometimes i do, =
but
many times I use Live looping <br>
techniques together with other musicians. <br>
This give me the occasion to open a little forum on your experiences=C2=A0
and your opinions: <br>
is live looping only a one man band playing technique?<br>
thanks <br>
greetings from Florence! <br>
Max Liver<br>
<br>
Per Boysen ha scritto:
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
  <pre>If I could afford it I would buy an NS/Stick half fretless right awa=
y.
That&#39;s the instrument of my dreams (and has been quite a long time
even before it was invented)! It has eight strings and the fretboard
divided into two sections: four fretless bass strings and four fretted
drop-B strings. This collaboration between Steinberg and Chapman
Enterprises seems to be the ultimate marriage of tapping, plucking,
fretless and regular guitar technique playing. I&#39;m not too bothered
that there are only eight strings because the two sides overlap a bit
in note span and thanks to that you will be able to play a lot of
closely voiced chords that are difficult on a regular guitar. I have
built &quot;no cost&quot; fretless and drop-B solutions here from old elect=
ric
guitars of mine, but having it all-in-one would be so much better.
Especially as the stick comes with two separated mic outputs making it
possible to treat each side of the fretboard with different effects,
loopers etc. Thinking about what can be achieved in ways of musical
expression with that multi technique instrument is exciting! I hope I
will get a chance one day to start exploring this instrument.

<a href=3D"http://www.stick.com/news/halffretless_ns.html" target=3D"_blank=
">http://www.stick.com/news/halffretless_ns.html</a>

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
<a href=3D"http://www.boysen.se" target=3D"_blank">www.boysen.se</a>
<a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com" target=3D"_blank">www.perboysen.com</a=
>



On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:29 AM, Raul Bonell <a href=3D"mailto:raul.bonell@=
gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">&lt;raul.bonell@gmail.com&gt;</a> wrote:
  </pre>
  <blockquote type=3D"cite">
    <pre>some years ago i switched from a grand stick to a 8 strings warr g=
uitar. 12
strings were too much for this lazy brain i have :-) visibility of neck
improves too ... although i try to avoid it as much as possible.

2009/10/13 richard sales <a href=3D"mailto:richard@glasswing.com" target=3D=
"_blank">&lt;richard@glasswing.com&gt;</a>
    </pre>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
      <pre>i owned a stick back around 1981.... sold it. =C2=A0Kinda sorry =
I did. =C2=A0But it
was just one more thing I had to learn.
I love what Tony Levin does with it.
r
On Oct 12, 2009, at 4:25 PM, eterogeneo wrote:

Thanks Richard, I did it last year: the previous flash based one is still
on line (you&#39;ll find it in the link page), but it wasn&#39;t not easy t=
o update,
so I moved to html. I did it entirely with iWeb.

...what about the stick ?
Fabio
<a href=3D"http://www.eterogeneo.com" target=3D"_blank">www.eterogeneo.com<=
/a>


Il giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 23.03, richard sales
<a href=3D"mailto:richard@glasswing.com" target=3D"_blank">&lt;richard@glas=
swing.com&gt;</a> ha scritto:

fabio,
did you re do your site recently? =C2=A0Looks great
R
richard sales
<a href=3D"http://www.glasswing.com" target=3D"_blank">www.glasswing.com</a=
>
<a href=3D"http://www.richardsales.com" target=3D"_blank">www.richardsales.=
com</a>
<a href=3D"http://www.hayleysales.com" target=3D"_blank">www.hayleysales.co=
m</a>
On Oct 12, 2009, at 1:04 PM, eterogeneo wrote:

What exactly do you hate about the Stick ?


Fabio
<a href=3D"http://www.eterogeneo.com" target=3D"_blank">www.eterogeneo.com<=
/a>


Il giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 21.38, tim echols <a href=3D"mailto:eekamou=
se67@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">&lt;eekamouse67@yahoo.com&gt;</a>
ha scritto:

it looks like it solves everything i hate about the stick. (there, i said
it!) =C2=A0start single, go double, with a looper, and all you would need t=
o
import are the percussive elements. =C2=A0and, you get a really nice lapste=
el to
boot!!!

time

Mon, 10/12/09, Raul Bonell <a href=3D"mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">&lt;raul.bonell@gmail.com&gt;</a> wrote:

From: Raul Bonell <a href=3D"mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank=
">&lt;raul.bonell@gmail.com&gt;</a>

Subject: Re: Kelstone

To: <a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" target=3D"_blank=
">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a>

Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 1:20 PM

it looks &amp; sounds like a stick with

passive electronics. considering the prices the tapping

instruments cost, the kelston is no so expensive.

2009/10/12 richard sales <a href=3D"mailto:richard@glasswing.com" target=3D=
"_blank">&lt;richard@glasswing.com&gt;</a>

it doesn&#39;t look dreadfully

hard - here&#39;s a basic instructional

<a href=3D"http://www.kelstone.be/library" target=3D"_blank">http://www.kel=
stone.be/library</a>

richard

sales

<a href=3D"http://www.glasswing.comwww.richardsales.com" target=3D"_blank">=
www.glasswing.comwww.richardsales.com</a>

<a href=3D"http://www.hayleysales.com" target=3D"_blank">www.hayleysales.co=
m</a>


On Oct 12, 2009, at

4:59 AM, Sjaak Overgaauw wrote:

Hi Eric,

I like the Kelstone as a concept and I&#39;m curious how it

sounds and how

easy it is to play compared to a guitar or bass. Anyway, it

looks like

an instrument with a lot of potential. <a href=3D"http://www.kelstone.be/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.kelstone.be/</a>

--

Sjaak Overgaauw

<a href=3D"http://premonitionfactory.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://premoni=
tionfactory.com/</a>

<a href=3D"http://livelooping.be/" target=3D"_blank">http://livelooping.be/=
</a>

<a href=3D"http://euroloopfest.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://euroloopfest.=
com/</a>
















--

Raul Bonell at Blogger: <a href=3D"http://raulbonell.blogspot.com" target=
=3D"_blank">http://raulbonell.blogspot.com</a>

Chain Tape Collective: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-collective.com" target=3D"_=
blank">http://www.ct-collective.com</a>

















richard sales
<a href=3D"http://www.glasswing.com" target=3D"_blank">www.glasswing.com</a=
>
<a href=3D"http://www.richardsales.com" target=3D"_blank">www.richardsales.=
com</a>
<a href=3D"http://www.hayleysales.com" target=3D"_blank">www.hayleysales.co=
m</a>





      </pre>
    </blockquote>
    <pre>--
Raul Bonell at Blogger: <a href=3D"http://raulbonell.blogspot.com" target=
=3D"_blank">http://raulbonell.blogspot.com</a>
Chain Tape Collective: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-collective.com" target=3D"_=
blank">http://www.ct-collective.com</a>


    </pre>
  </blockquote>
  <pre>  </pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
<div>-- <br>
<img src=3D"" border=3D"0"></div>
</div>

</blockquote></div><br>

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We're getting there folks.  The LA Times' "Recording Studios Are Being Left 
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Hi all,

Well, I didn't make it to LoopFest this year again, moving house will do 
that to ya (we'd originally intended to be getting out of London a year 
ago); but next year I'll have had use of the new studio for a while, and 
able to get away for the first time.  And at least I've got broadcast speed 
here at last!

I look forward to the recordings of this year's shows.

Re the subject however... It appears that there are a growing number of live 
broadcast platforms out there, and my contact with them has primarily been 
through this ever-valuable list!  I've encountered two in the past week that 
prompt me to come back to you guys n gals and ask after them: Ventrilo is 
one, Loom the other.  Anyone?

Perhaps at some point in the future it will be simpler to broadcast, using a 
singular client program.  Anyone?  Bueller?

Stephen Goodman
*
http://www.vimeo.com/spgoodman
http://www.last.fm/music/Stephen+Goodman

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Yeah have great time all of you! :-)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com



On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:30 AM, L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
> yes guys have a wonderful gig and keep us posted wish i could have been there with you!
> cheers
> Luis
>
> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>
>
> --- Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com> schrieb am Mo, 12.10.2009:
>
>> Von: Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com>
>> Betreff: have a great Loopfest!
>> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Datum: Montag, 12. Oktober 2009, 14:32
>> have a great loopfest ya'll and sorry
>> i can't make it.
>> next year.....

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Check his web site. I recall some quite deep biographical texts.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com


On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:30 AM, rune fagereng <rune_fagereng@yahoo.no>wrote:

> Hi
> Does anyone have analyzes - interview - notes - or any information
> regarding Jon Hassells music and improvations?
>
> -Whats this "strange music" really?
> -Is there any rules?
> -What is Hassel doing and whats his bands doing?
> -Whats prerecorded and whats played live?
> -Where is Hassell position in jazzhistory or music history?
>
> best regards
> Rune Fagereng
>
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Happy Loopfest wishes from me too. I hope it goes really well and you all 
have a great time.

And of course I another one of those saying "I wish I could be there!"

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Hi there

I have played and written material on my own and with other bands. I 
go to a regular jam session on a Saturday night that you do know one 
or two people that turn up regularly but any one can and does.  But 
is limited in that a set format of so as to easily accomodate all  flavours.

This is a totally different experience to looping on one own. To play 
successfully you have to have musicians who are in tune with one 
another in timings and playing skills. I have found that it takes a 
bit of time to develop a relationship and a musical one is no 
different from any other type of relationship.

I used to play in a duo where we ended up knowing exactly where we 
were going to within free form jam sessions or we could easily turn 
several songs together with linking sections on the fly. Great 
experience when it comes together but this does take time.

We also used to jam along to tapes which I recorded on travelling 
from one place to another edit and then just jam along. Quite an 
interesting experience as the live music sometimes dominates and 
sometimes the tape would.

I tend to prefer to play on my own as I can control where and what I 
am playing and when. I can also here myself which can be a great advantage.

Just my thoughts

roger parker

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On Oct 13, 2009, at 2:30 AM, rune fagereng wrote:

>  interview - notes - or any information regarding Jon Hassells music


The July issue of Electronic Musician had an interview with him.

http://digital-edition.emusician.com/?iid=9d9f96ab




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Happy Loopfest to all !
Hope the wheater will be ok, so you can enjoy your stay in Santa Cruz !


fabio
www.eterogeneo.com




2009/10/13 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>

> Yeah have great time all of you! :-)
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:30 AM, L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > yes guys have a wonderful gig and keep us posted wish i could have been
> there with you!
> > cheers
> > Luis
> >
> > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
> >
> >
> > --- Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com> schrieb am Mo, 12.10.2009:
> >
> >> Von: Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com>
> >> Betreff: have a great Loopfest!
> >> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >> Datum: Montag, 12. Oktober 2009, 14:32
> >> have a great loopfest ya'll and sorry
> >> i can't make it.
> >> next year.....
>
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<div>Happy Loopfest to all !</div>
<div>Hope the wheater will be ok, so you can enjoy your stay in Santa Cruz =
!</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>fabio</div>
<div><a href=3D"http://www.eterogeneo.com/">www.eterogeneo.com</a></div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div><br><br>=A0</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/10/13 Per Boysen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com">perboysen@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Yeah have great time all of you!=
 :-)<br><br>Greetings from Sweden<br><font color=3D"#888888"><br>Per Boysen=
<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.boysen.se/" target=3D"_blank">www.boysen.se</a><br><a=
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<div></div>
<div class=3D"h5"><br><br><br>On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:30 AM, L.Angulo &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com">labaloops@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:=
<br>&gt; yes guys have a wonderful gig and keep us posted wish i could have=
 been there with you!<br>
&gt; cheers<br>&gt; Luis<br>&gt;<br>&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/=
luisangulocom" target=3D"_blank">www.myspace.com/luisangulocom</a><br>&gt;<=
br>&gt;<br>&gt; --- Zoe Keating &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:info@zoekeating.com">=
info@zoekeating.com</a>&gt; schrieb am Mo, 12.10.2009:<br>
&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Von: Zoe Keating &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:info@zoekeating.com=
">info@zoekeating.com</a>&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Betreff: have a great Loopfest!<b=
r>&gt;&gt; An: <a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loope=
rs-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a><br>
&gt;&gt; Datum: Montag, 12. Oktober 2009, 14:32<br>&gt;&gt; have a great lo=
opfest ya&#39;ll and sorry<br>&gt;&gt; i can&#39;t make it.<br>&gt;&gt; nex=
t year.....<br><br></div></div></blockquote></div><br>

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Yess! a nice Loopfest to everybody!<br>
maybe next year i'll try to come! <br>
so... have a nice wheater too! <br>
Long Live Looping! <br>
<br>
Max Liver<br>
<br>
Fabio_A ha scritto:
<blockquote
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  <div>Happy Loopfest to all !</div>
  <div>Hope the wheater will be ok, so you can enjoy your stay in Santa
Cruz !</div>
  <div>&nbsp;</div>
  <div>&nbsp;</div>
  <div>fabio</div>
  <div><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.eterogeneo.com/">www.eterogeneo.com</a></div>
  <div>&nbsp;</div>
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&nbsp;</div>
  <div class="gmail_quote">2009/10/13 Per Boysen <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
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  <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
 style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Yeah
have great time all of you! :-)<br>
    <br>
Greetings from Sweden<br>
    <font color="#888888"><br>
Per Boysen<br>
    <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.boysen.se/"
 target="_blank">www.boysen.se</a><br>
    <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.perboysen.com/"
 target="_blank">www.perboysen.com</a><br>
    </font>
    <div>
    <div class="h5"><br>
    <br>
    <br>
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:30 AM, L.Angulo &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
 href="mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com">labaloops@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; yes guys have a wonderful gig and keep us posted wish i could have
been there with you!<br>
&gt; cheers<br>
&gt; Luis<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
 href="http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom" target="_blank">www.myspace.com/luisangulocom</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; --- Zoe Keating &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
 href="mailto:info@zoekeating.com">info@zoekeating.com</a>&gt; schrieb
am Mo, 12.10.2009:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Von: Zoe Keating &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
 href="mailto:info@zoekeating.com">info@zoekeating.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Betreff: have a great Loopfest!<br>
&gt;&gt; An: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
 href="mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a><br>
&gt;&gt; Datum: Montag, 12. Oktober 2009, 14:32<br>
&gt;&gt; have a great loopfest ya'll and sorry<br>
&gt;&gt; i can't make it.<br>
&gt;&gt; next year.....<br>
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Yes, Have a great loop fest all! I wish we could move California closer to Pennsylvania.....




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have a great loopfest ya'll and sorry i can't make it.
next year.....

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On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 6:49 PM, E Gross <slapbandjam@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Yes, Have a great loop fest all! I wish we could move California closer to
> Pennsylvania.....

Hold on loopers... just let me set the controls right here... beaming
over the Scandinavian peninsula to the bay outside Santa Cruz. Warm up
some pumpkin pie, we'll be right there in a moment... who's playing
now?

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com

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Wow, hanging in SF would be great enough in itself, but a Loopfest  
besides? Heaven...

All the best from the French Alps!

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Have a great fest everyone! If I can get my wormhole generator "beta" fired 
up I'll be there in a jiffy!
http://thisphase.org/pics/y2ktrip.jpg seems simple enough...this manual 
sucks though! :)

peace,

Jeff


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> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 6:49 PM, E Gross <slapbandjam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Yes, Have a great loop fest all! I wish we could move California closer 
>> to
>> Pennsylvania.....
>
> Hold on loopers... just let me set the controls right here... beaming
> over the Scandinavian peninsula to the bay outside Santa Cruz. Warm up
> some pumpkin pie, we'll be right there in a moment... who's playing
> now?
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
>
> 

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hi fabio & per,

yes, the ns/stick half fretless looks gorgeous. i've been also tempted to g=
o
fretless for a long time, but thought of a regular bass for simplicity. i
second per's opinion on the number of strings, but i would add, both
versions (12/10/etc or 8) are some kind of different beasts. this may not
look so obvius at first sight, but your brain faces them quite differently,
and the learning curve is noticeably longer with the grands, above all, if
you adopt different tunings for each side. the range is similar in all
8,10,12 models. i use the "crafty" tuning (lowest to highest=3DBbFCGDACD)
which covers the entire range on a 34-inch scale. for details, check out ji=
m
wright's tunings page on http://www.warrzone.com/touchstyle_tunings/ (scrol=
l
down to find the tuning blog entry). a good advise would be, get the
cheapest you can find, and then move on. all brands, stick enterprises,
warrguitars, markus' touchguitars, etc .. make quality instruments these
days. i just prefer the guitar-like instruments (warr, ns/stick,
touchguitars, ...) for playability. it's a bit tricky to play strumming on =
a
vertical position :-)...

as in your case, i come from a piano background and this made the jump more
comfortable, i think. it seems keyboard players adopt two-handed method
better than guitar/bass players, since they drag some bad habits from their
old axe times.

stringed instruments teach you better than keyboards.

ra=FCl.

p.s. by the way, we formed a study group touchguitarcircle.com leaded by
markus reuter, and i can't think of a better place to start with the tappin=
g
instruments. we use to organize meetings and seminars all over the year.
alan rosola, from rodengo (italy) joined this past summer with his stunning
warr. you can find him on facebook too.


2009/10/13 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>

> If I could afford it I would buy an NS/Stick half fretless right away.
> That's the instrument of my dreams (and has been quite a long time
> even before it was invented)! It has eight strings and the fretboard
> divided into two sections: four fretless bass strings and four fretted
> drop-B strings. This collaboration between Steinberg and Chapman
> Enterprises seems to be the ultimate marriage of tapping, plucking,
> fretless and regular guitar technique playing. I'm not too bothered
> that there are only eight strings because the two sides overlap a bit
> in note span and thanks to that you will be able to play a lot of
> closely voiced chords that are difficult on a regular guitar. I have
> built "no cost" fretless and drop-B solutions here from old electric
> guitars of mine, but having it all-in-one would be so much better.
> possible to treat each side of the fretboard with different effects,
> loopers etc. Thinking about what can be achieved in ways of musical
> expression with that multi technique instrument is exciting! I hope I
> will get a chance one day to start exploring this instrument.
>
> http://www.stick.com/news/halffretless_ns.html
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:29 AM, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > some years ago i switched from a grand stick to a 8 strings warr guitar=
.
> 12
> > strings were too much for this lazy brain i have :-) visibility of neck
> > improves too ... although i try to avoid it as much as possible.
> >
> > 2009/10/13 richard sales <richard@glasswing.com>
> >>
> >> i owned a stick back around 1981.... sold it.  Kinda sorry I did.  But
> it
> >> was just one more thing I had to learn.
> >> I love what Tony Levin does with it.
> >> r
> >> On Oct 12, 2009, at 4:25 PM, eterogeneo wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks Richard, I did it last year: the previous flash based one is
> still
> >> on line (you'll find it in the link page), but it wasn't not easy to
> update,
> >> so I moved to html. I did it entirely with iWeb.
> >>
> >> ...what about the stick ?
> >> Fabio
> >> www.eterogeneo.com
> >>
> >>
> >> Il giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 23.03, richard sales
> >> <richard@glasswing.com> ha scritto:
> >>
> >> fabio,
> >> did you re do your site recently?  Looks great
> >> R
> >> richard sales
> >> www.glasswing.com
> >> www.richardsales.com
> >> www.hayleysales.com
> >> On Oct 12, 2009, at 1:04 PM, eterogeneo wrote:
> >>
> >> What exactly do you hate about the Stick ?
> >>
> >>
> >> Fabio
> >> www.eterogeneo.com
> >>
> >>
> >> Il giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 21.38, tim echols <
> eekamouse67@yahoo.com>
> >> ha scritto:
> >>
> >> it looks like it solves everything i hate about the stick. (there, i
> said
> >> it!)  start single, go double, with a looper, and all you would need t=
o
> >> import are the percussive elements.  and, you get a really nice lapste=
el
> to
> >> boot!!!
> >>
> >> time
> >>
> >> Mon, 10/12/09, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> From: Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>
> >>
> >> Subject: Re: Kelstone
> >>
> >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >>
> >> Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 1:20 PM
> >>
> >> it looks & sounds like a stick with
> >>
> >> passive electronics. considering the prices the tapping
> >>
> >> instruments cost, the kelston is no so expensive.
> >>
> >> 2009/10/12 richard sales <richard@glasswing.com>
> >>
> >> it doesn't look dreadfully
> >>
> >> hard - here's a basic instructional
> >>
> >> http://www.kelstone.be/library
> >>
> >> richard
> >>
> >> sales
> >>
> >> www.glasswing.comwww.richardsales.com
> >>
> >> www.hayleysales.com
> >>
> >>
> >> On Oct 12, 2009, at
> >>
> >> 4:59 AM, Sjaak Overgaauw wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Eric,
> >>
> >> I like the Kelstone as a concept and I'm curious how it
> >>
> >> sounds and how
> >>
> >> easy it is to play compared to a guitar or bass. Anyway, it
> >>
> >> looks like
> >>
> >> an instrument with a lot of potential. http://www.kelstone.be/
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Sjaak Overgaauw
> >>
> >> http://premonitionfactory.com/
> >>
> >> http://livelooping.be/
> >>
> >> http://euroloopfest.com/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
> >>
> >> Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> richard sales
> >> www.glasswing.com
> >> www.richardsales.com
> >> www.hayleysales.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
> > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
> >
> >
>
>


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hi fabio &amp; per,<br><br>yes, the ns/stick half fretless looks gorgeous. =
i&#39;ve been also tempted to go fretless for a long time, but thought of a=
 regular bass for simplicity. i second per&#39;s opinion on the number of s=
trings, but i would add, both versions (12/10/etc or 8) are some kind of di=
fferent beasts. this may not look so obvius at first sight, but your brain =
faces them quite differently, and the learning curve is noticeably longer w=
ith the grands, above all, if you adopt different tunings for each side. th=
e range is similar in all 8,10,12 models. i use the &quot;crafty&quot; tuni=
ng (lowest to highest=3DBbFCGDACD) which covers the entire range on a 34-in=
ch scale. for details, check out jim wright&#39;s tunings page on <a href=
=3D"http://www.warrzone.com/touchstyle_tunings/" target=3D"_blank">http://w=
ww.warrzone.com/touchstyle_tunings/</a> (scroll down to find the tuning blo=
g entry). a good advise would be, get the cheapest you can find, and then m=
ove on. all brands, stick enterprises, warrguitars, markus&#39; touchguitar=
s, etc .. make quality instruments these days. i just prefer the guitar-lik=
e instruments (warr, ns/stick, touchguitars, ...) for playability. it&#39;s=
 a bit tricky to play strumming on a vertical position :-)... <br>

<br>as in your case, i come from a piano background and this made the jump =
more comfortable, i think. it seems keyboard players adopt two-handed metho=
d better than guitar/bass players, since they drag some bad habits from the=
ir old axe times.<br>

<br>stringed instruments teach you better than keyboards.<br><br>ra=FCl.<br=
><br>p.s. by the way, we formed a study group <a href=3D"http://touchguitar=
circle.com">touchguitarcircle.com</a> leaded by markus reuter, and i can&#3=
9;t think of a better place to start with the tapping instruments. we use t=
o organize meetings and seminars all over the year. alan rosola, from roden=
go (italy) joined this past summer with his stunning warr. you can find him=
 on facebook too.<br>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/10/13 Per Boysen <span dir=3D"ltr">=
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">perboysen@gmai=
l.com</a>&gt;</span><br>


<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">If I could afford=
 it I would buy an NS/Stick half fretless right away.<br>
That&#39;s the instrument of my dreams (and has been quite a long time<br>
even before it was invented)! It has eight strings and the fretboard<br>
divided into two sections: four fretless bass strings and four fretted<br>
drop-B strings. This collaboration between Steinberg and Chapman<br>
Enterprises seems to be the ultimate marriage of tapping, plucking,<br>
fretless and regular guitar technique playing. I&#39;m not too bothered<br>
that there are only eight strings because the two sides overlap a bit<br>
in note span and thanks to that you will be able to play a lot of<br>
closely voiced chords that are difficult on a regular guitar. I have<br>
built &quot;no cost&quot; fretless and drop-B solutions here from old elect=
ric<br>
guitars of mine, but having it all-in-one would be so much better.<br>
possible to treat each side of the fretboard with different effects,<br>
loopers etc. Thinking about what can be achieved in ways of musical<br>
expression with that multi technique instrument is exciting! I hope I<br>
will get a chance one day to start exploring this instrument.<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.stick.com/news/halffretless_ns.html" target=3D"_blank=
">http://www.stick.com/news/halffretless_ns.html</a><br>
<br>
Greetings from Sweden<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Per Boysen<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.boysen.se" target=3D"_blank">www.boysen.se</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com" target=3D"_blank">www.perboysen.com</a=
><br>
</font><div><div></div><div><br>
<br>
<br>
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:29 AM, Raul Bonell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:raul.bon=
ell@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">raul.bonell@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; some years ago i switched from a grand stick to a 8 strings warr guita=
r. 12<br>
&gt; strings were too much for this lazy brain i have :-) visibility of nec=
k<br>
&gt; improves too ... although i try to avoid it as much as possible.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 2009/10/13 richard sales &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:richard@glasswing.com" =
target=3D"_blank">richard@glasswing.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; i owned a stick back around 1981.... sold it. =A0Kinda sorry I did=
. =A0But it<br>
&gt;&gt; was just one more thing I had to learn.<br>
&gt;&gt; I love what Tony Levin does with it.<br>
&gt;&gt; r<br>
&gt;&gt; On Oct 12, 2009, at 4:25 PM, eterogeneo wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Thanks Richard, I did it last year: the previous flash based one i=
s still<br>
&gt;&gt; on line (you&#39;ll find it in the link page), but it wasn&#39;t n=
ot easy to update,<br>
&gt;&gt; so I moved to html. I did it entirely with iWeb.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; ...what about the stick ?<br>
&gt;&gt; Fabio<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.eterogeneo.com" target=3D"_blank">www.eterog=
eneo.com</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Il giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 23.03, richard sales<br>
&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:richard@glasswing.com" target=3D"_blank">ric=
hard@glasswing.com</a>&gt; ha scritto:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; fabio,<br>
&gt;&gt; did you re do your site recently? =A0Looks great<br>
&gt;&gt; R<br>
&gt;&gt; richard sales<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.glasswing.com" target=3D"_blank">www.glasswi=
ng.com</a><br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.richardsales.com" target=3D"_blank">www.rich=
ardsales.com</a><br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.hayleysales.com" target=3D"_blank">www.hayle=
ysales.com</a><br>
&gt;&gt; On Oct 12, 2009, at 1:04 PM, eterogeneo wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; What exactly do you hate about the Stick ?<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Fabio<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.eterogeneo.com" target=3D"_blank">www.eterog=
eneo.com</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Il giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 21.38, tim echols &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:eekamouse67@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">eekamouse67@yahoo.com</a>&gt=
;<br>
&gt;&gt; ha scritto:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; it looks like it solves everything i hate about the stick. (there,=
 i said<br>
&gt;&gt; it!) =A0start single, go double, with a looper, and all you would =
need to<br>
&gt;&gt; import are the percussive elements. =A0and, you get a really nice =
lapsteel to<br>
&gt;&gt; boot!!!<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; time<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Mon, 10/12/09, Raul Bonell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:raul.bonell@gmail=
.com" target=3D"_blank">raul.bonell@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; From: Raul Bonell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.com" tar=
get=3D"_blank">raul.bonell@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Subject: Re: Kelstone<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" target=
=3D"_blank">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 1:20 PM<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; it looks &amp; sounds like a stick with<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; passive electronics. considering the prices the tapping<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; instruments cost, the kelston is no so expensive.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; 2009/10/12 richard sales &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:richard@glasswing.c=
om" target=3D"_blank">richard@glasswing.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; it doesn&#39;t look dreadfully<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; hard - here&#39;s a basic instructional<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.kelstone.be/library" target=3D"_blank">http:=
//www.kelstone.be/library</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; richard<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; sales<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.glasswing.comwww.richardsales.com" target=3D=
"_blank">www.glasswing.comwww.richardsales.com</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.hayleysales.com" target=3D"_blank">www.hayle=
ysales.com</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; On Oct 12, 2009, at<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; 4:59 AM, Sjaak Overgaauw wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Hi Eric,<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; I like the Kelstone as a concept and I&#39;m curious how it<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; sounds and how<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; easy it is to play compared to a guitar or bass. Anyway, it<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; looks like<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; an instrument with a lot of potential. <a href=3D"http://www.kelst=
one.be/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.kelstone.be/</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; --<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Sjaak Overgaauw<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://premonitionfactory.com/" target=3D"_blank">http:=
//premonitionfactory.com/</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://livelooping.be/" target=3D"_blank">http://livelo=
oping.be/</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://euroloopfest.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://euro=
loopfest.com/</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; --<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Raul Bonell at Blogger: <a href=3D"http://raulbonell.blogspot.com"=
 target=3D"_blank">http://raulbonell.blogspot.com</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Chain Tape Collective: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-collective.com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; richard sales<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.glasswing.com" target=3D"_blank">www.glasswi=
ng.com</a><br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.richardsales.com" target=3D"_blank">www.rich=
ardsales.com</a><br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.hayleysales.com" target=3D"_blank">www.hayle=
ysales.com</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; --<br>
&gt; Raul Bonell at Blogger: <a href=3D"http://raulbonell.blogspot.com" tar=
get=3D"_blank">http://raulbonell.blogspot.com</a><br>
&gt; Chain Tape Collective: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-collective.com" target=
=3D"_blank">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Raul Bonell=
 at Blogger: <a href=3D"http://raulbonell.blogspot.com" target=3D"_blank">h=
ttp://raulbonell.blogspot.com</a><br>Chain Tape Collective: <a href=3D"http=
://www.ct-collective.com" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ct-collective.com</a=
><br>




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another one that should consider to fly one of these years to santa cruz
sending his best wishes. make it a total success!

2009/10/13 Jeff Duke <jeff_d@embarqmail.com>

> Have a great fest everyone! If I can get my wormhole generator "beta" fired
> up I'll be there in a jiffy!
> http://thisphase.org/pics/y2ktrip.jpg seems simple enough...this manual
> sucks though! :)
>
> peace,
>
> Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" <perboysen@gmail.com>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 1:06 PM
> Subject: Re: have a great Loopfest!
>
>
>
>  On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 6:49 PM, E Gross <slapbandjam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, Have a great loop fest all! I wish we could move California closer
>>> to
>>> Pennsylvania.....
>>>
>>
>> Hold on loopers... just let me set the controls right here... beaming
>> over the Scandinavian peninsula to the bay outside Santa Cruz. Warm up
>> some pumpkin pie, we'll be right there in a moment... who's playing
>> now?
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.boysen.se
>> www.perboysen.com
>>
>>
>>
>


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another one that should consider to fly one of these years to santa cruz se=
nding his best wishes. make it a total success!<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote">2009/10/13 Jeff Duke <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jeff_d@=
embarqmail.com">jeff_d@embarqmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Have a great fest=
 everyone! If I can get my wormhole generator &quot;beta&quot; fired up I&#=
39;ll be there in a jiffy!<br>

<a href=3D"http://thisphase.org/pics/y2ktrip.jpg" target=3D"_blank">http://=
thisphase.org/pics/y2ktrip.jpg</a> seems simple enough...this manual sucks =
though! :)<br>
<br>
peace,<br>
<br>
Jeff<br>
<br>
<br>
----- Original Message ----- From: &quot;Per Boysen&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:perboysen@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">perboysen@gmail.com</a>&gt;<div=
 class=3D"im"><br>
To: &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" target=3D"_b=
lank">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a>&gt;<br></div>
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 1:06 PM<br>
Subject: Re: have a great Loopfest!<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 6:49 PM, E Gross &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:slapbandjam@=
yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">slapbandjam@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Yes, Have a great loop fest all! I wish we could move California closer to<=
br>
Pennsylvania.....<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Hold on loopers... just let me set the controls right here... beaming<br>
over the Scandinavian peninsula to the bay outside Santa Cruz. Warm up<br>
some pumpkin pie, we&#39;ll be right there in a moment... who&#39;s playing=
<br>
now?<br>
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Greetings from Sweden<br>
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hi gang,=0Aim still frustrated looking for a power brick to power all these=
 pedals,but i cant seem to find one=0A=0Ai have the following: =0A=0ALine 6=
 DL4 - 9V AC=0ADigitech vocalist live 2 - 9 Volt AC, 1300 mA=0ABoss OC3 9V =
DC=0AAdrenalinn - 9V DC 500mA  center pin positive=0Aid also like to add as=
 well the =0AEventide timefactor - 9 Volt DC 1200 mA Middle contact (+), ou=
tside (-)=0A=0Abut there is no more space for this anoying bulky power suip=
plies!=0A=0A=0Aright now i have:=0AI have 2 godlyke power all adaptors =0Ao=
ne to power the line 6=0Aone to power the adrenalinn and boss OC3=0Aand a d=
edicated power supply for the digitech=0Abut they are still bulky and would=
 prefer a power brick,is there one that would work out there?=0A=0Aive trie=
d the vodoolab pedalpower plus,and t rex fuel tank classic but id still nee=
d an x tra adapter which kills the purpose!=0A=0Aany power all solutions ou=
t there?=0Athanx=0A=0A=0Awww.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A_______________=
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i need one too. luis share your findings with us.

2009/10/13 L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com>

> hi gang,
> im still frustrated looking for a power brick to power all these pedals,b=
ut
> i cant seem to find one
>
> i have the following:
>
> Line 6 DL4 - 9V AC
> Digitech vocalist live 2 - 9 Volt AC, 1300 mA
> Boss OC3 9V DC
> Adrenalinn - 9V DC 500mA  center pin positive
> id also like to add as well the
> Eventide timefactor - 9 Volt DC 1200 mA Middle contact (+), outside (-)
>
> but there is no more space for this anoying bulky power suipplies!
>
>
> right now i have:
> I have 2 godlyke power all adaptors
> one to power the line 6
> one to power the adrenalinn and boss OC3
> and a dedicated power supply for the digitech
> but they are still bulky and would prefer a power brick,is there one that
> would work out there?
>
> ive tried the vodoolab pedalpower plus,and t rex fuel tank classic but id
> still need an x tra adapter which kills the purpose!
>
> any power all solutions out there?
> thanx
>
>
> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>
> __________________________________________________
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> Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verf=FCgt =FCber einen herausragenden Sch=
utz
> gegen Massenmails.
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i need one too. luis share your findings with us.<br><br><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote">2009/10/13 L.Angulo <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:labalo=
ops@yahoo.com">labaloops@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt=
 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
hi gang,<br>
im still frustrated looking for a power brick to power all these pedals,but=
 i cant seem to find one<br>
<br>
i have the following:<br>
<br>
Line 6 DL4 - 9V AC<br>
Digitech vocalist live 2 - 9 Volt AC, 1300 mA<br>
Boss OC3 9V DC<br>
Adrenalinn - 9V DC 500mA =A0center pin positive<br>
id also like to add as well the<br>
Eventide timefactor - 9 Volt DC 1200 mA Middle contact (+), outside (-)<br>
<br>
but there is no more space for this anoying bulky power suipplies!<br>
<br>
<br>
right now i have:<br>
I have 2 godlyke power all adaptors<br>
one to power the line 6<br>
one to power the adrenalinn and boss OC3<br>
and a dedicated power supply for the digitech<br>
but they are still bulky and would prefer a power brick,is there one that w=
ould work out there?<br>
<br>
ive tried the vodoolab pedalpower plus,and t rex fuel tank classic but id s=
till need an x tra adapter which kills the purpose!<br>
<br>
any power all solutions out there?<br>
thanx<br>
<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom" target=3D"_blank">www.mysp=
ace.com/luisangulocom</a><br>
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> http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-smallbiz-studios13-2009oct13,0,3516140.story

Thanks, Stephen.

What I think is most interesting about this article:

1. While the studio infrastructure seems to suffer a lot, the
qualified people seem to do to a lesser degree. You can now afford
professional recording facilities by equipping your computer (which
you have anyway) with a microphone (which also have dropped in price),
professional-quality audio interface and pair of speakers and be
equipped for doing the basic stuff, at least for typical "project
studio" stuff, where the only acoustic instruments you do are lead
vocals and perhaps a wind instrument. This doesn't keep you from
getting a professional to actually work this stuff, though, or at
least work for you in mixing or mastering.

2. The ignorance of these people is astonishing. To quote from the
article: "And at the time, even just 10 years ago, it didn't seem like
that could ever end, ever go away."
To put that into my own perspective:
The first album I did using the computer as more than a MIDI sequencer
was finished in 1997. I had at that time configured a computer myself:
very big (for that time) ultrawide SCSI harddisc and DDS streamer for
storage - you couldn't do even eight tracks of recording with
off-the-shelf computers back then. The computer back then served as a
multitrack recorder combined with a sequencer - synthesizers, effects
and mixing board were still hardware. The audio/MIDI interfaces were
the top range of the consumer stuff back then - there wasn't anything
affordable in professional audio interfaces at that time. This was
just the time when it was possible for someone not gifted with huge
amounts of money to do that - or to do that without specific dedicated
hardware.
Two years later (and that's exactly the "even just 10 years ago"), I
did the first album which was done entirely in the computer.
Synthesizers, mixing, effects - the only hardware stuff was the
console's micpre and the microphone.
Taking this development (and the development of computer technology in
general) into account, it actually should have been possible to see
that the "studio days" would end...soon.

         Rainer

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<html><body><span style=3D"font-family:Verdana; color:#000000; font-size:10=
pt;"><div>have you looked through these:</div><div><br></div><div><a href=
=3D"http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/effects/power-sup=
plies">http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/effects/power-=
supplies</a></div><div><br></div><div>peace, Chris<br></div><div><br></div>=
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
<blockquote webmail=3D"1" style=3D"border-left: 2px solid blue; margin-left=
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na;">
<div   >
-------- Original Message --------<br>
Subject: power supply for pedalboard with both DC and AC<br>
From: "L.Angulo" &lt;labaloops@yahoo.com&gt;<br>
Date: Tue, October 13, 2009 4:15 pm<br>
To: Loopers Delight &lt;loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com&gt;<br>
<br>
hi gang,<br>
im still frustrated looking for a power brick to power all these pedals,but=
 i cant seem to find one<br>
<br>
i have the following: <br>
<br>
Line 6 DL4 - 9V AC<br>
Digitech vocalist live 2 - 9 Volt AC, 1300 mA<br>
Boss OC3 9V DC<br>
Adrenalinn - 9V DC 500mA  center pin positive<br>
id also like to add as well the <br>
Eventide timefactor - 9 Volt DC 1200 mA Middle contact (+), outside (-)<br>
<br>
but there is no more space for this anoying bulky power suipplies!<br>
<br>
<br>
right now i have:<br>
I have 2 godlyke power all adaptors <br>
one to power the line 6<br>
one to power the adrenalinn and boss OC3<br>
and a dedicated power supply for the digitech<br>
but they are still bulky and would prefer a power brick,is there one that w=
ould work out there?<br>
<br>
ive tried the vodoolab pedalpower plus,and t rex fuel tank classic but id s=
till need an x tra adapter which kills the purpose!<br>
<br>
any power all solutions out there?<br>
thanx<br>
<br>
<br>
<a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom">www.mysp=
ace.com/luisangulocom</a><br>
<br>
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Subject: Re: power supply for pedalboard with both DC and AC
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helo, Luis!

unfortunately, thats not simple at all.
especially if you want to mix AC stuff
even with the DC you often get a hum
:-(
but you can replace some by small chopper supplies and connect them in =20=

a compact way (cables instead of AC distributor)

hug
Matthias

On 13 Oct 2009, at 17:15, L.Angulo wrote:

> hi gang,
> im still frustrated looking for a power brick to power all these =20
> pedals,but i cant seem to find one
>
> i have the following:
>
> Line 6 DL4 - 9V AC
> Digitech vocalist live 2 - 9 Volt AC, 1300 mA
> Boss OC3 9V DC
> Adrenalinn - 9V DC 500mA  center pin positive
> id also like to add as well the
> Eventide timefactor - 9 Volt DC 1200 mA Middle contact (+), outside =20=

> (-)
>
> but there is no more space for this anoying bulky power suipplies!
>
>
> right now i have:
> I have 2 godlyke power all adaptors
> one to power the line 6
> one to power the adrenalinn and boss OC3
> and a dedicated power supply for the digitech
> but they are still bulky and would prefer a power brick,is there one =20=

> that would work out there?
>
> ive tried the vodoolab pedalpower plus,and t rex fuel tank classic =20
> but id still need an x tra adapter which kills the purpose!
>
> any power all solutions out there?
> thanx
>
>
> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>
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Juicebox has DC and AC (in back).

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I just added the 28th video to the "more than one musician" playlist  
at http://youtube.com/livelooping
there are only 22 in the "one man band" playlist
thats because I only consider those who really achieve a kind of band  
sound, by playing several instruments
most create new sounds with layering only one or two instruments and  
its sound variations - which we usually find more interesting, right,  
Per?

yeees, sync... it can be difficult, but it helps to animate the crowd.  
you can always not use it, but not to have it is a loss...
I am trying to animate the loop gear makers to come up with a  
standard...

I just uploaded some examples of music that hopefully illustrate why  
its great to have sync:
http://www.ubetoo.com/matigrob

hope there will be lots of musical meetings on the stages of y2k9 !!

Matthias

On 13 Oct 2009, at 06:05, Per Boysen wrote:

> I think most music is more interesting, both to play and listen to  
> others playing, if more than one musician is playing together. We  
> did that in Florence as the looping festival's grand finale and it  
> was great fun, but with ten people on stage there is not much room  
> for each one to also create loops ;-))
>
> Playing a solo piece and playing as part of an ensemble may require  
> quite different ways of using your brain and focusing your attention  
> and creativity. For a musician that has learned to play by himself  
> it may be a quite big step to jump out and play in a group setting.  
> I think this might give some background to the fact you are pointing  
> at; that quite a lot of live loopers prefer to play solo pieces.  
> It's also important to not forget that we all have different  
> attitudes towards the act of playing music. Some folks play music  
> because they enjoy the control aspect in creating beauty while  
> others play for the love of destruction and the "fresh new unknown"  
> that is born out of chaos. These two musician types together won't  
> make a band tic, looping or not ;-)
>
> I'd say that the choice is yours! If you play at a festival you may  
> ask the person playing before or after your set if you could  
> possibly overlap your sets by ten minutes and play together for a  
> while.
>
> When discussing live looping in group the issue of "sync" is often  
> brought up. My experience is that sync is not very important. A few  
> times I've played with brother synced EDP's together with other  
> musicians and that was really cool - for example, SUS Substitute  
> stuff lining up on a grid much quick than you can do on one EDP. But  
> I also think it's really cool to not sync your individual loopers  
> but constantly stay on your toes  and change your loop as soon as it  
> starts sounding bad together with what the other musicians are  
> doing. If everyone in a looping band stands on-the-toes-of-his-ears  
> (jeez, can one put it that way? I'm not native English speaker) the  
> music that comes out may become quite interesting.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Massimo Liverani <liverani@het.it>  
> wrote:
> Yes very interesting instrument Per, but i noticed a curiuos  
> tendence to exibit in this forum instruments
> that are intended to make play many istruments together by one  
> musician (one man band playing istruments)
> in this case is fr bass + guitar etc etc. I think is for the  
> tendence that live loopers have to play alone.
> So i sincerily don't' like to play alone, although sometimes i do,  
> but many times I use Live looping
> techniques together with other musicians.
> This give me the occasion to open a little forum on your  
> experiences  and your opinions:
> is live looping only a one man band playing technique?
> thanks
> greetings from Florence!
> Max Liver
>
> Per Boysen ha scritto:
>>
>> If I could afford it I would buy an NS/Stick half fretless right  
>> away.
>> That's the instrument of my dreams (and has been quite a long time
>> even before it was invented)! It has eight strings and the fretboard
>> divided into two sections: four fretless bass strings and four  
>> fretted
>> drop-B strings. This collaboration between Steinberg and Chapman
>> Enterprises seems to be the ultimate marriage of tapping, plucking,
>> fretless and regular guitar technique playing. I'm not too bothered
>> that there are only eight strings because the two sides overlap a bit
>> in note span and thanks to that you will be able to play a lot of
>> closely voiced chords that are difficult on a regular guitar. I have
>> built "no cost" fretless and drop-B solutions here from old electric
>> guitars of mine, but having it all-in-one would be so much better.
>> Especially as the stick comes with two separated mic outputs making  
>> it
>> possible to treat each side of the fretboard with different effects,
>> loopers etc. Thinking about what can be achieved in ways of musical
>> expression with that multi technique instrument is exciting! I hope I
>> will get a chance one day to start exploring this instrument.
>>
>> http://www.stick.com/news/halffretless_ns.html
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.boysen.se
>> www.perboysen.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:29 AM, Raul Bonell  
>> <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> some years ago i switched from a grand stick to a 8 strings warr  
>>> guitar. 12
>>> strings were too much for this lazy brain i have :-) visibility of  
>>> neck
>>> improves too ... although i try to avoid it as much as possible.
>>>
>>> 2009/10/13 richard sales <richard@glasswing.com>
>>>
>>>> i owned a stick back around 1981.... sold it.  Kinda sorry I  
>>>> did.  But it
>>>> was just one more thing I had to learn.
>>>> I love what Tony Levin does with it.
>>>> r
>>>> On Oct 12, 2009, at 4:25 PM, eterogeneo wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Richard, I did it last year: the previous flash based one  
>>>> is still
>>>> on line (you'll find it in the link page), but it wasn't not easy  
>>>> to update,
>>>> so I moved to html. I did it entirely with iWeb.
>>>>
>>>> ...what about the stick ?
>>>> Fabio
>>>> www.eterogeneo.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Il giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 23.03, richard sales
>>>> <richard@glasswing.com> ha scritto:
>>>>
>>>> fabio,
>>>> did you re do your site recently?  Looks great
>>>> R
>>>> richard sales
>>>> www.glasswing.com
>>>> www.richardsales.com
>>>> www.hayleysales.com
>>>> On Oct 12, 2009, at 1:04 PM, eterogeneo wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What exactly do you hate about the Stick ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Fabio
>>>> www.eterogeneo.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Il giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 21.38, tim echols <eekamouse67@yahoo.com 
>>>> >
>>>> ha scritto:
>>>>
>>>> it looks like it solves everything i hate about the stick.  
>>>> (there, i said
>>>> it!)  start single, go double, with a looper, and all you would  
>>>> need to
>>>> import are the percussive elements.  and, you get a really nice  
>>>> lapsteel to
>>>> boot!!!
>>>>
>>>> time
>>>>
>>>> Mon, 10/12/09, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From: Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: Kelstone
>>>>
>>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>>>
>>>> Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 1:20 PM
>>>>
>>>> it looks & sounds like a stick with
>>>>
>>>> passive electronics. considering the prices the tapping
>>>>
>>>> instruments cost, the kelston is no so expensive.
>>>>
>>>> 2009/10/12 richard sales <richard@glasswing.com>
>>>>
>>>> it doesn't look dreadfully
>>>>
>>>> hard - here's a basic instructional
>>>>
>>>> http://www.kelstone.be/library
>>>>
>>>> richard
>>>>
>>>> sales
>>>>
>>>> www.glasswing.comwww.richardsales.com
>>>>
>>>> www.hayleysales.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 12, 2009, at
>>>>
>>>> 4:59 AM, Sjaak Overgaauw wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Eric,
>>>>
>>>> I like the Kelstone as a concept and I'm curious how it
>>>>
>>>> sounds and how
>>>>
>>>> easy it is to play compared to a guitar or bass. Anyway, it
>>>>
>>>> looks like
>>>>
>>>> an instrument with a lot of potential. http://www.kelstone.be/
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Sjaak Overgaauw
>>>>
>>>> http://premonitionfactory.com/
>>>>
>>>> http://livelooping.be/
>>>>
>>>> http://euroloopfest.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
>>>>
>>>> Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> richard sales
>>>> www.glasswing.com
>>>> www.richardsales.com
>>>> www.hayleysales.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
>>> Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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>
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the "more than one musician" playlist at <a =
href=3D"http://youtube.com/livelooping">http://youtube.com/livelooping</a>=
<div>there are only 22 in the "one man band" playlist</div><div>thats =
because I only consider those who really achieve a kind of band sound, =
by playing several instruments</div><div>most create new sounds with =
layering only one or two instruments and its sound variations - which we =
usually find more interesting, right, =
Per?</div><div><br></div><div>yeees, sync... it can be difficult, but it =
helps to animate the crowd. you can always not use it, but not to have =
it is a loss...</div><div>I am trying to animate the loop gear makers to =
come up with a standard...</div><div><br></div><div>I just uploaded some =
examples of music that hopefully illustrate why its great to have =
sync:</div><div><a =
href=3D"http://www.ubetoo.com/matigrob">http://www.ubetoo.com/matigrob</a>=
</div><div><br></div><div>hope there will be lots of musical meetings on =
the stages of y2k9 =
!!</div><div><br></div><div>Matthias</div><div><br><div><div>On 13 Oct =
2009, at 06:05, Per Boysen wrote:</div><br =
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most music is more interesting, both to play and listen to others =
playing, if more than one musician is playing together. We did that in =
Florence as the looping festival's grand finale and it was great fun, =
but with ten people on stage there is not much room for each one to also =
create loops ;-)) <br> <br>Playing a solo piece and playing as part of =
an ensemble may require quite different ways of using your brain and =
focusing your attention and creativity. For a musician that has learned =
to play by himself it may be a quite big step to jump out and play in a =
group setting. I think this might give some background to the fact you =
are pointing at; that quite a lot of live loopers prefer to play solo =
pieces. It's also important to not forget that we all have different =
attitudes towards the act of playing music. Some folks play music =
because they enjoy the control aspect in creating beauty while others =
play for the love of destruction and the "fresh new unknown" that is =
born out of chaos. These two musician types together won't make a band =
tic, looping or not ;-)<br> <br>I'd say that the choice is yours! If you =
play at a festival you may ask the person playing before or after your =
set if you could possibly overlap your sets by ten minutes and play =
together for a while. <br><br>When discussing live looping in group the =
issue of "sync" is often brought up. My experience is that sync is not =
very important. A few times I've played with brother synced EDP's =
together with other musicians and that was really cool - for example, =
SUS Substitute stuff lining up on a grid much quick than you can do on =
one EDP. But I also think it's really cool to not sync your individual =
loopers but constantly stay on your toes&nbsp; and change your loop as =
soon as it starts sounding bad together with what the other musicians =
are doing. If everyone in a looping band stands on-the-toes-of-his-ears =
(jeez, can one put it that way? I'm not native English speaker) the =
music that comes out may become quite interesting. <br> <br =
clear=3D"all">Greetings from Sweden<br><br>Per Boysen <br><a =
href=3D"http://www.boysen.se">www.boysen.se</a><br><a =
href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com">www.perboysen.com</a><br> <br><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Massimo Liverani =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
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solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: =
1ex;">   <div bgcolor=3D"#ffffff" text=3D"#000000"> Yes very interesting =
instrument Per, but i noticed a curiuos tendence to exibit in this forum =
instruments<br> that are intended to make play many istruments together =
by one musician (one man band playing istruments) <br> in this case is =
fr bass + guitar etc etc. I think is for the tendence that live loopers =
have to play alone.<br> So i sincerily don't' like to play alone, =
although sometimes i do, but many times I use Live looping <br> =
techniques together with other musicians. <br> This give me the occasion =
to open a little forum on your experiences&nbsp; and your opinions: <br> =
is live looping only a one man band playing technique?<br> thanks <br> =
greetings from Florence! <br> Max Liver<br> <br> Per Boysen ha scritto: =
<blockquote type=3D"cite">  <pre>If I could afford it I would buy an =
NS/Stick half fretless right away.
That's the instrument of my dreams (and has been quite a long time
even before it was invented)! It has eight strings and the fretboard
divided into two sections: four fretless bass strings and four fretted
drop-B strings. This collaboration between Steinberg and Chapman
Enterprises seems to be the ultimate marriage of tapping, plucking,
fretless and regular guitar technique playing. I'm not too bothered
that there are only eight strings because the two sides overlap a bit
in note span and thanks to that you will be able to play a lot of
closely voiced chords that are difficult on a regular guitar. I have
built "no cost" fretless and drop-B solutions here from old electric
guitars of mine, but having it all-in-one would be so much better.
Especially as the stick comes with two separated mic outputs making it
possible to treat each side of the fretboard with different effects,
loopers etc. Thinking about what can be achieved in ways of musical
expression with that multi technique instrument is exciting! I hope I
will get a chance one day to start exploring this instrument.

<a href=3D"http://www.stick.com/news/halffretless_ns.html" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.stick.com/news/halffretless_ns.html</a>

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
<a href=3D"http://www.boysen.se" target=3D"_blank">www.boysen.se</a>
<a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com" =
target=3D"_blank">www.perboysen.com</a>



On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:29 AM, Raul Bonell <a =
href=3D"mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">&lt;raul.bonell@gmail.com&gt;</a> wrote:
  </pre>  <blockquote type=3D"cite">    <pre>some years ago i switched =
from a grand stick to a 8 strings warr guitar. 12
strings were too much for this lazy brain i have :-) visibility of neck
improves too ... although i try to avoid it as much as possible.

2009/10/13 richard sales <a href=3D"mailto:richard@glasswing.com" =
target=3D"_blank">&lt;richard@glasswing.com&gt;</a>
    </pre>    <blockquote type=3D"cite">      <pre>i owned a stick back =
around 1981.... sold it. &nbsp;Kinda sorry I did. &nbsp;But it
was just one more thing I had to learn.
I love what Tony Levin does with it.
r
On Oct 12, 2009, at 4:25 PM, eterogeneo wrote:

Thanks Richard, I did it last year: the previous flash based one is =
still
on line (you'll find it in the link page), but it wasn't not easy to =
update,
so I moved to html. I did it entirely with iWeb.

...what about the stick ?
Fabio
<a href=3D"http://www.eterogeneo.com" =
target=3D"_blank">www.eterogeneo.com</a>


Il giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 23.03, richard sales
<a href=3D"mailto:richard@glasswing.com" =
target=3D"_blank">&lt;richard@glasswing.com&gt;</a> ha scritto:

fabio,
did you re do your site recently? &nbsp;Looks great
R
richard sales
<a href=3D"http://www.glasswing.com" =
target=3D"_blank">www.glasswing.com</a>
<a href=3D"http://www.richardsales.com" =
target=3D"_blank">www.richardsales.com</a>
<a href=3D"http://www.hayleysales.com" =
target=3D"_blank">www.hayleysales.com</a>
On Oct 12, 2009, at 1:04 PM, eterogeneo wrote:

What exactly do you hate about the Stick ?


Fabio
<a href=3D"http://www.eterogeneo.com" =
target=3D"_blank">www.eterogeneo.com</a>


Il giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 21.38, tim echols <a =
href=3D"mailto:eekamouse67@yahoo.com" =
target=3D"_blank">&lt;eekamouse67@yahoo.com&gt;</a>
ha scritto:

it looks like it solves everything i hate about the stick. (there, i =
said
it!) &nbsp;start single, go double, with a looper, and all you would =
need to
import are the percussive elements. &nbsp;and, you get a really nice =
lapsteel to
boot!!!

time

Mon, 10/12/09, Raul Bonell <a href=3D"mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">&lt;raul.bonell@gmail.com&gt;</a> wrote:

From: Raul Bonell <a href=3D"mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">&lt;raul.bonell@gmail.com&gt;</a>

Subject: Re: Kelstone

To: <a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" =
target=3D"_blank">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a>

Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 1:20 PM

it looks &amp; sounds like a stick with

passive electronics. considering the prices the tapping

instruments cost, the kelston is no so expensive.

2009/10/12 richard sales <a href=3D"mailto:richard@glasswing.com" =
target=3D"_blank">&lt;richard@glasswing.com&gt;</a>

it doesn't look dreadfully

hard - here's a basic instructional

<a href=3D"http://www.kelstone.be/library" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.kelstone.be/library</a>

richard

sales

<a href=3D"http://www.glasswing.comwww.richardsales.com" =
target=3D"_blank">www.glasswing.comwww.richardsales.com</a>

<a href=3D"http://www.hayleysales.com" =
target=3D"_blank">www.hayleysales.com</a>


On Oct 12, 2009, at

4:59 AM, Sjaak Overgaauw wrote:

Hi Eric,

I like the Kelstone as a concept and I'm curious how it

sounds and how

easy it is to play compared to a guitar or bass. Anyway, it

looks like

an instrument with a lot of potential. <a href=3D"http://www.kelstone.be/"=
 target=3D"_blank">http://www.kelstone.be/</a>

--

Sjaak Overgaauw

<a href=3D"http://premonitionfactory.com/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://premonitionfactory.com/</a>

<a href=3D"http://livelooping.be/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://livelooping.be/</a>

<a href=3D"http://euroloopfest.com/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://euroloopfest.com/</a>
















--

Raul Bonell at Blogger: <a href=3D"http://raulbonell.blogspot.com" =
target=3D"_blank">http://raulbonell.blogspot.com</a>

Chain Tape Collective: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-collective.com" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.ct-collective.com</a>

















richard sales
<a href=3D"http://www.glasswing.com" =
target=3D"_blank">www.glasswing.com</a>
<a href=3D"http://www.richardsales.com" =
target=3D"_blank">www.richardsales.com</a>
<a href=3D"http://www.hayleysales.com" =
target=3D"_blank">www.hayleysales.com</a>





      </pre>    </blockquote>    <pre>--
Raul Bonell at Blogger: <a href=3D"http://raulbonell.blogspot.com" =
target=3D"_blank">http://raulbonell.blogspot.com</a>
Chain Tape Collective: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-collective.com" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.ct-collective.com</a>


    </pre>  </blockquote>  <pre>  </pre> </blockquote> <br> <br> <div>-- =
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hey Andy,=0AStill investigating this.=0AWhich one do you think is better in=
 terms of sound quality between this and the Rolls RM 65B?=0A=0Aspecs here =
for both=0A=0Ahttp://www.rolls.com/pdf/DS_RM65.pdf=0A=0Ahttp://www.alesis.c=
om/multimix8line=0A=0Aanyone?=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A> Is this the ideal=
 small mixer we've=0A> all been looking for?=0A> =0A> Alesis Multimix 8 Lin=
e. 1u mixer for looping.=0A> http://www.alesis.com/multimix8line.=0A> =0A> =
=0A> Feature list and mini review.=0A> =0A> features=0A> =0A> All connectio=
ns on 1/4 unbalanced jacks unless otherwise=0A> noted.=0A> 8 stereo/mono in=
put channels,=A0 vol, balance, fx send=0A> *Stereo* FX send ( works with ch=
annel pan/balance, for each=0A> channel)=0A> stereo FX return (with vol con=
trol)=0A> Channel 1 switches to a mono microphone input, XLR, no=0A> phanto=
m.=0A> Main outs on balanced jacks with master vol.=0A> =0A> ..and some add=
itional connections on *stereo* 1/4 in jacks=0A> Monitor out...after master=
 vol=0A> Mix out ...before master vol=0A> Input to main bus.=0A> Input to f=
x bus.=0A> (those last 3 are officially for daisy chaining 2 or more=0A> un=
its).=0A> =0A> Comments=0A> 1) stereo fx bus....that's very useful=0A> 2) s=
eems well built, and sounds ok. Not noisy.=0A> 3) none of the controls has =
a 0dB calibration, which makes=0A> set up that much harder. ( the cheap Beh=
ringer=0A>  stuff often has this). Not really a problem.=0A> 4) the mic inp=
ut sounds good enough for live work with good=0A> full range response. Not =
for studio though, there's=0A>  a distinctive quality/color to the transien=
t response, and=0A> no 48V.=0A> 5) Mic pre-amp doesn't have an insert, and =
there's no way=0A> to make fx send pre fade. In simple terms=0A> =A0 this m=
eans you can't EQ the mic, or compress it.=0A> (and can't use my Vortex pat=
ches!)=0A> 6) the additional connectors=A0 available give some=0A> scope fo=
r=A0 extra routing, as long as you=0A> =A0=A0=A0don't mind using Y-cables.=
=0A> 7) neither of the 2 additional outputs has an independent=0A> vol cont=
rol, (such as would be useful for=0A> =A0 sending to Zoom H2 for recording)=
=0A> 8) there's no mixer schematic in the manual, it's printed=0A> on the t=
op of the unit. Obviously=0A> =A0 when you rack the unit you no longer have=
 the=0A> schematic which is the only way to see=0A> =A0 the mixer features =
at a glance.=0A> 9) Balanced outs means that you only need a couple of jack=
=0A> to XLR converters and=0A> =A0 you're able to say " I have my own DI bo=
x" to any=0A> sound engineer you encounter when playing live.=0A> =A0 This =
reduces their anxiety about how to deal with=0A> your complex setup to zero=
.=0A> 10) no official way to make sends pre-fade, which would=0A> make the =
unit much more usable.=0A> =0A> Conclusion=0A> Very nearly a neat way to ro=
ute your looping gear, and add=0A> a microphone=0A> with just a 1u unit.=0A=
> =0A> If you don't need to use the mic-pre there's no real minus=0A> point=
s to the mixer,=0A> apart from lack of pre-fade sends.=0A> Sound quality is=
 easily good enough for live work.=0A> =0A> Big disappointment is the imple=
mentation of the mic input.=0A> There's no way to=0A> eq the mic, so unless=
 you want a flat response, and have a=0A> dynamic mic that=0A> will give th=
at you can't really this mixer. Using with an=0A> SM58, for instance, will=
=0A> just give you that unclear boxy sound which is normally=0A> filtered o=
ut at the desk.=0A> So, probably ok for announcements that no-one understan=
ds.=0A> I'm ok, I have a Sennheiser 421 which works very well for=0A> feedi=
ng assorted=0A> acoustic sounds into the loops (on the fx send), but those=
=0A> aren't exactly=0A> cheap.=0A> Generally, anyone looking to add a mic t=
o their setup ( or=0A> to remove a mic-pre=0A> to save weight/space) is goi=
ng to be frustrated.=0A> =0A> Further investigation.=0A> It must be possibl=
e to mod this unit so that there's a way=0A> to eq( or Vortex)=A0 the mic.=
=0A> but no service sheet available.=0A> =0A> I emailed Alesis tech support=
, US *and* UK and was sent a=0A> pair of automated responses=0A> promising =
a reply within 2 days....about a week ago.=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> and=
y butler=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:44 AM, Matthias Grob <matilists@gmail.com> wrote:

> I just added the 28th video to the "more than one musician" playlist at
> http://youtube.com/liveloopingthere are only 22 in the "one man band"
> playlist
> thats because I only consider those who really achieve a kind of band
> sound, by playing several instruments
> most create new sounds with layering only one or two instruments and its
> sound variations - which we usually find more interesting, right, Per?
>


Yes, I agree. I too understand "One Man Band" as when one person loops
layers that simulate the sound of a compete band, relying on band tradition
in instrumentation and arranging.

And yes, I too find it more fun listing to - and practicing - looping where
the player uses maybe just one instrument armed by creative looping
techniques to create different sounding but complimentary musical parts.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:44 AM, Matthias Grob <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:matilists@gmail.com">matilists@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<=
br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"bo=
rder-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding=
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<div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word;">I just added the 28th video to the &q=
uot;more than one musician&quot; playlist at <a href=3D"http://youtube.com/=
livelooping" target=3D"_blank">http://youtube.com/livelooping</a><div>there=
 are only 22 in the &quot;one man band&quot; playlist</div>
<div>thats because I only consider those who really achieve a kind of band =
sound, by playing several instruments</div><div>most create new sounds with=
 layering only one or two instruments and its sound variations - which we u=
sually find more interesting, right, Per?</div>
</div></blockquote></div><br><br>Yes, I agree. I too understand &quot;One M=
an Band&quot; as when one person loops layers that simulate the sound of a =
compete band, relying on band tradition in instrumentation and arranging. <=
br>
<br>And yes, I too find it more fun listing to - and practicing - looping w=
here the player uses maybe just one instrument armed by creative looping te=
chniques to create different sounding but complimentary musical parts. <br>
<br clear=3D"all">Greetings from Sweden<br><br>Per Boysen <br><a href=3D"ht=
tp://www.boysen.se">www.boysen.se</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.co=
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Raul,
thank you very much for the precious infos

fabio
www.eterogeneo.com

2009/10/13 Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>

> hi fabio & per,
>
> yes, the ns/stick half fretless looks gorgeous. i've been also tempted to
> go fretless for a long time, but thought of a regular bass for simplicity=
. i
> second per's opinion on the number of strings, but i would add, both
> versions (12/10/etc or 8) are some kind of different beasts. this may not
> look so obvius at first sight, but your brain faces them quite differentl=
y,
> and the learning curve is noticeably longer with the grands, above all, i=
f
> you adopt different tunings for each side. the range is similar in all
> 8,10,12 models. i use the "crafty" tuning (lowest to highest=3DBbFCGDACD)
> which covers the entire range on a 34-inch scale. for details, check out =
jim
> wright's tunings page on http://www.warrzone.com/touchstyle_tunings/(scro=
ll down to find the tuning blog entry). a good advise would be, get the
> cheapest you can find, and then move on. all brands, stick enterprises,
> warrguitars, markus' touchguitars, etc .. make quality instruments these
> days. i just prefer the guitar-like instruments (warr, ns/stick,
> touchguitars, ...) for playability. it's a bit tricky to play strumming o=
n a
> vertical position :-)...
>
> as in your case, i come from a piano background and this made the jump mo=
re
> comfortable, i think. it seems keyboard players adopt two-handed method
> better than guitar/bass players, since they drag some bad habits from the=
ir
> old axe times.
>
> stringed instruments teach you better than keyboards.
>
> ra=FCl.
>
> p.s. by the way, we formed a study group touchguitarcircle.com leaded by
> markus reuter, and i can't think of a better place to start with the tapp=
ing
> instruments. we use to organize meetings and seminars all over the year.
> alan rosola, from rodengo (italy) joined this past summer with his stunni=
ng
> warr. you can find him on facebook too.
>
>
> 2009/10/13 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
>
>> If I could afford it I would buy an NS/Stick half fretless right away.
>> That's the instrument of my dreams (and has been quite a long time
>> even before it was invented)! It has eight strings and the fretboard
>> divided into two sections: four fretless bass strings and four fretted
>> drop-B strings. This collaboration between Steinberg and Chapman
>> Enterprises seems to be the ultimate marriage of tapping, plucking,
>> fretless and regular guitar technique playing. I'm not too bothered
>> that there are only eight strings because the two sides overlap a bit
>> in note span and thanks to that you will be able to play a lot of
>> closely voiced chords that are difficult on a regular guitar. I have
>> built "no cost" fretless and drop-B solutions here from old electric
>> guitars of mine, but having it all-in-one would be so much better.
>>  possible to treat each side of the fretboard with different effects,
>> loopers etc. Thinking about what can be achieved in ways of musical
>> expression with that multi technique instrument is exciting! I hope I
>> will get a chance one day to start exploring this instrument.
>>
>> http://www.stick.com/news/halffretless_ns.html
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.boysen.se
>> www.perboysen.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:29 AM, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > some years ago i switched from a grand stick to a 8 strings warr guita=
r.
>> 12
>> > strings were too much for this lazy brain i have :-) visibility of nec=
k
>> > improves too ... although i try to avoid it as much as possible.
>> >
>> > 2009/10/13 richard sales <richard@glasswing.com>
>> >>
>> >> i owned a stick back around 1981.... sold it.  Kinda sorry I did.  Bu=
t
>> it
>> >> was just one more thing I had to learn.
>> >> I love what Tony Levin does with it.
>> >> r
>> >> On Oct 12, 2009, at 4:25 PM, eterogeneo wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Thanks Richard, I did it last year: the previous flash based one is
>> still
>> >> on line (you'll find it in the link page), but it wasn't not easy to
>> update,
>> >> so I moved to html. I did it entirely with iWeb.
>> >>
>> >> ...what about the stick ?
>> >> Fabio
>> >> www.eterogeneo.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Il giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 23.03, richard sales
>> >> <richard@glasswing.com> ha scritto:
>> >>
>> >> fabio,
>> >> did you re do your site recently?  Looks great
>> >> R
>> >> richard sales
>> >> www.glasswing.com
>> >> www.richardsales.com
>> >> www.hayleysales.com
>> >> On Oct 12, 2009, at 1:04 PM, eterogeneo wrote:
>> >>
>> >> What exactly do you hate about the Stick ?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Fabio
>> >> www.eterogeneo.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Il giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 21.38, tim echols <
>> eekamouse67@yahoo.com>
>> >> ha scritto:
>> >>
>> >> it looks like it solves everything i hate about the stick. (there, i
>> said
>> >> it!)  start single, go double, with a looper, and all you would need =
to
>> >> import are the percussive elements.  and, you get a really nice
>> lapsteel to
>> >> boot!!!
>> >>
>> >> time
>> >>
>> >> Mon, 10/12/09, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> From: Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>
>> >>
>> >> Subject: Re: Kelstone
>> >>
>> >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> >>
>> >> Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 1:20 PM
>> >>
>> >> it looks & sounds like a stick with
>> >>
>> >> passive electronics. considering the prices the tapping
>> >>
>> >> instruments cost, the kelston is no so expensive.
>> >>
>> >> 2009/10/12 richard sales <richard@glasswing.com>
>> >>
>> >> it doesn't look dreadfully
>> >>
>> >> hard - here's a basic instructional
>> >>
>> >> http://www.kelstone.be/library
>> >>
>> >> richard
>> >>
>> >> sales
>> >>
>> >> www.glasswing.comwww.richardsales.com
>> >>
>> >> www.hayleysales.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Oct 12, 2009, at
>> >>
>> >> 4:59 AM, Sjaak Overgaauw wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi Eric,
>> >>
>> >> I like the Kelstone as a concept and I'm curious how it
>> >>
>> >> sounds and how
>> >>
>> >> easy it is to play compared to a guitar or bass. Anyway, it
>> >>
>> >> looks like
>> >>
>> >> an instrument with a lot of potential. http://www.kelstone.be/
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> Sjaak Overgaauw
>> >>
>> >> http://premonitionfactory.com/
>> >>
>> >> http://livelooping.be/
>> >>
>> >> http://euroloopfest.com/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
>> >>
>> >> Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> richard sales
>> >> www.glasswing.com
>> >> www.richardsales.com
>> >> www.hayleysales.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
>> > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>  Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
> Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
>
>

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<div>Raul, </div>
<div>thank you very much for the precious infos</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>fabio</div>
<div><a href=3D"http://www.eterogeneo.com/">www.eterogeneo.com</a><br><br><=
/div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/10/13 Raul Bonell <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.com">raul.bonell@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><=
br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">hi fabio &amp; per,<br><br>yes, =
the ns/stick half fretless looks gorgeous. i&#39;ve been also tempted to go=
 fretless for a long time, but thought of a regular bass for simplicity. i =
second per&#39;s opinion on the number of strings, but i would add, both ve=
rsions (12/10/etc or 8) are some kind of different beasts. this may not loo=
k so obvius at first sight, but your brain faces them quite differently, an=
d the learning curve is noticeably longer with the grands, above all, if yo=
u adopt different tunings for each side. the range is similar in all 8,10,1=
2 models. i use the &quot;crafty&quot; tuning (lowest to highest=3DBbFCGDAC=
D) which covers the entire range on a 34-inch scale. for details, check out=
 jim wright&#39;s tunings page on <a href=3D"http://www.warrzone.com/touchs=
tyle_tunings/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.warrzone.com/touchstyle_tunings=
/</a> (scroll down to find the tuning blog entry). a good advise would be, =
get the cheapest you can find, and then move on. all brands, stick enterpri=
ses, warrguitars, markus&#39; touchguitars, etc .. make quality instruments=
 these days. i just prefer the guitar-like instruments (warr, ns/stick, tou=
chguitars, ...) for playability. it&#39;s a bit tricky to play strumming on=
 a vertical position :-)... <br>
<br>as in your case, i come from a piano background and this made the jump =
more comfortable, i think. it seems keyboard players adopt two-handed metho=
d better than guitar/bass players, since they drag some bad habits from the=
ir old axe times.<br>
<br>stringed instruments teach you better than keyboards.<br><br>ra=FCl.<br=
><br>p.s. by the way, we formed a study group <a href=3D"http://touchguitar=
circle.com/" target=3D"_blank">touchguitarcircle.com</a> leaded by markus r=
euter, and i can&#39;t think of a better place to start with the tapping in=
struments. we use to organize meetings and seminars all over the year. alan=
 rosola, from rodengo (italy) joined this past summer with his stunning war=
r. you can find him on facebook too.<br>
<br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/10/13 Per Boysen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">perboysen@gmail.com</a=
>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0=
pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">
<div class=3D"im">If I could afford it I would buy an NS/Stick half fretles=
s right away.<br>That&#39;s the instrument of my dreams (and has been quite=
 a long time<br>even before it was invented)! It has eight strings and the =
fretboard<br>
divided into two sections: four fretless bass strings and four fretted<br>d=
rop-B strings. This collaboration between Steinberg and Chapman<br>Enterpri=
ses seems to be the ultimate marriage of tapping, plucking,<br>fretless and=
 regular guitar technique playing. I&#39;m not too bothered<br>
that there are only eight strings because the two sides overlap a bit<br>in=
 note span and thanks to that you will be able to play a lot of<br>closely =
voiced chords that are difficult on a regular guitar. I have<br>built &quot=
;no cost&quot; fretless and drop-B solutions here from old electric<br>
guitars of mine, but having it all-in-one would be so much better.<br></div=
>
<div>
<div></div>
<div class=3D"h5">possible to treat each side of the fretboard with differe=
nt effects,<br>loopers etc. Thinking about what can be achieved in ways of =
musical<br>expression with that multi technique instrument is exciting! I h=
ope I<br>
will get a chance one day to start exploring this instrument.<br><br><a hre=
f=3D"http://www.stick.com/news/halffretless_ns.html" target=3D"_blank">http=
://www.stick.com/news/halffretless_ns.html</a><br><br>Greetings from Sweden=
<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>Per Boysen<br><a href=3D"http://www.boysen.se/"=
 target=3D"_blank">www.boysen.se</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com=
/" target=3D"_blank">www.perboysen.com</a><br></font>
<div>
<div></div>
<div><br><br><br>On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:29 AM, Raul Bonell &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">raul.bonell@gmail.com</=
a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; some years ago i switched from a grand stick to a 8 s=
trings warr guitar. 12<br>
&gt; strings were too much for this lazy brain i have :-) visibility of nec=
k<br>&gt; improves too ... although i try to avoid it as much as possible.<=
br>&gt;<br>&gt; 2009/10/13 richard sales &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:richard@glas=
swing.com" target=3D"_blank">richard@glasswing.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; i owned a stick back around 1981.... sold it. =A0Kinda=
 sorry I did. =A0But it<br>&gt;&gt; was just one more thing I had to learn.=
<br>&gt;&gt; I love what Tony Levin does with it.<br>&gt;&gt; r<br>&gt;&gt;=
 On Oct 12, 2009, at 4:25 PM, eterogeneo wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Thanks Richard, I did it last year: the previous flash=
 based one is still<br>&gt;&gt; on line (you&#39;ll find it in the link pag=
e), but it wasn&#39;t not easy to update,<br>&gt;&gt; so I moved to html. I=
 did it entirely with iWeb.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; ...what about the stick ?<br>&gt;&gt; Fabio<br>&gt;&gt=
; <a href=3D"http://www.eterogeneo.com/" target=3D"_blank">www.eterogeneo.c=
om</a><br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Il giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore =
23.03, richard sales<br>
&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:richard@glasswing.com" target=3D"_blank">ric=
hard@glasswing.com</a>&gt; ha scritto:<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; fabio,<br>&g=
t;&gt; did you re do your site recently? =A0Looks great<br>&gt;&gt; R<br>&g=
t;&gt; richard sales<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.glasswing.com/" target=3D"_blank">www.glassw=
ing.com</a><br>&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.richardsales.com/" target=3D"=
_blank">www.richardsales.com</a><br>&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.hayleysa=
les.com/" target=3D"_blank">www.hayleysales.com</a><br>
&gt;&gt; On Oct 12, 2009, at 1:04 PM, eterogeneo wrote:<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;=
&gt; What exactly do you hate about the Stick ?<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>=
&gt;&gt; Fabio<br>&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.eterogeneo.com/" target=3D=
"_blank">www.eterogeneo.com</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Il giorno 12/ott/2009, alle ore 21.38, tim=
 echols &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eekamouse67@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">eeka=
mouse67@yahoo.com</a>&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; ha scritto:<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; i=
t looks like it solves everything i hate about the stick. (there, i said<br=
>
&gt;&gt; it!) =A0start single, go double, with a looper, and all you would =
need to<br>&gt;&gt; import are the percussive elements. =A0and, you get a r=
eally nice lapsteel to<br>&gt;&gt; boot!!!<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; time<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Mon, 10/12/09, Raul Bonell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:raul.=
bonell@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">raul.bonell@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br=
>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; From: Raul Bonell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:raul.bonell@g=
mail.com" target=3D"_blank">raul.bonell@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Subject: Re: Kelstone<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; To: <a h=
ref=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" target=3D"_blank">Looper=
s-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a><br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Date: Monday, Oct=
ober 12, 2009, 1:20 PM<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; it looks &amp; sounds like a stick with<br>&gt;&gt;<br=
>&gt;&gt; passive electronics. considering the prices the tapping<br>&gt;&g=
t;<br>&gt;&gt; instruments cost, the kelston is no so expensive.<br>&gt;&gt=
;<br>
&gt;&gt; 2009/10/12 richard sales &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:richard@glasswing.c=
om" target=3D"_blank">richard@glasswing.com</a>&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;=
 it doesn&#39;t look dreadfully<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; hard - here&#39;s a=
 basic instructional<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.kelstone.be/library" target=3D"_=
blank">http://www.kelstone.be/library</a><br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; richard<b=
r>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; sales<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.=
glasswing.comwww.richardsales.com/" target=3D"_blank">www.glasswing.comwww.=
richardsales.com</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.hayleysales.com/" target=3D"_bla=
nk">www.hayleysales.com</a><br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; On Oct 12, =
2009, at<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; 4:59 AM, Sjaak Overgaauw wrote:<br>&gt;&gt=
;<br>
&gt;&gt; Hi Eric,<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; I like the Kelstone as a concept =
and I&#39;m curious how it<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; sounds and how<br>&gt;&g=
t;<br>&gt;&gt; easy it is to play compared to a guitar or bass. Anyway, it<=
br>
&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; looks like<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; an instrument with =
a lot of potential. <a href=3D"http://www.kelstone.be/" target=3D"_blank">h=
ttp://www.kelstone.be/</a><br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; --<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&g=
t; Sjaak Overgaauw<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://premonitionfactory.com/" target=3D"_=
blank">http://premonitionfactory.com/</a><br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; <a href=
=3D"http://livelooping.be/" target=3D"_blank">http://livelooping.be/</a><br=
>&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://euroloopfest.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://euro=
loopfest.com/</a><br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&g=
t;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<=
br>
&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; --<br>=
&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Raul Bonell at Blogger: <a href=3D"http://raulbonell.b=
logspot.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://raulbonell.blogspot.com</a><br>&gt;&=
gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Chain Tape Collective: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-collective.com/" t=
arget=3D"_blank">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<b=
r>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&=
gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt=
;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; richard sales<br>&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://w=
ww.glasswing.com/" target=3D"_blank">www.glasswing.com</a><br>&gt;&gt; <a h=
ref=3D"http://www.richardsales.com/" target=3D"_blank">www.richardsales.com=
</a><br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.hayleysales.com/" target=3D"_blank">www.hayl=
eysales.com</a><br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;=
<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; --<br>&gt; Raul Bonell at Blogger: <a href=
=3D"http://raulbonell.blogspot.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://raulbonell.bl=
ogspot.com</a><br>
&gt; Chain Tape Collective: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-collective.com/" targe=
t=3D"_blank">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br><br></div>=
</div></div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>
<div>
<div></div>
<div class=3D"h5">Raul Bonell at Blogger: <a href=3D"http://raulbonell.blog=
spot.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://raulbonell.blogspot.com</a><br>Chain Ta=
pe Collective: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-collective.com/" target=3D"_blank">=
http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
<br></div></div></blockquote></div><br>

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On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:
> i use the "crafty" tuning (lowest to highest=BbFCGDACD) which covers the
> entire range on a 34-inch scale. for details, check out jim wright's tunings
> page on http://www.warrzone.com/touchstyle_tunings/ (scroll down to find the
> tuning blog entry)

Thank you, Raoul! That page seems interesting.

Greetings from Sweden

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hi Luis, (and loopers everywhere suffereing the "mixer problem")

I had a really good look at the Alesis 8Line.

The chips used are the cheapest op amps available for audio.
The construction is good enough, but not better than Behringer
( held together by self tap screws).
The "tech support" on the website never replies at all.

As it's a line mixer though, the cheap chips only have to do  1:1 
amplification, which means the sound quality doesn't suffer too much.

I wouldn't consider it for studio use, but for live work I think it's
going to scrape by.
As for noise levels...less than the EDPs.

I was able to successfully mod the 8Line so that the mic input, and
one other, are sent to the FX send without going to the main mix.
That's a very easy hack to do which makes the mixer loop friendly,
just clipping a few wires. (plus of course the 3 days to work out
which wires to clip because Alesis won't provide docs).
I also added switches for that, which is a bit harder, but 
allows a bit of flexibility.
I reckon it wouldn't be hard to do other mods to the 8Line, luike re=routing

I don't know the Rolls stuff at all, don't even know if
there's a European dealer.
...but I mailed their tech support to test them out on your behalf ;-)



Anyway, those 2 mixers have very different feature lists,
surely that's the first consideration?


andy butler















L.Angulo wrote:
> hey Andy,
> Still investigating this.
> Which one do you think is better in terms of sound quality between this and the Rolls RM 65B?
> 
> specs here for both
> 
> http://www.rolls.com/pdf/DS_RM65.pdf
> 
> http://www.alesis.com/multimix8line
> 
> anyone?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Is this the ideal small mixer we've
>> all been looking for?
>>
>> Alesis Multimix 8 Line. 1u mixer for looping.
>> http://www.alesis.com/multimix8line.
>>
>>
>> Feature list and mini review.
>>
>> features
>>
>> All connections on 1/4 unbalanced jacks unless otherwise
>> noted.
>> 8 stereo/mono input channels,  vol, balance, fx send
>> *Stereo* FX send ( works with channel pan/balance, for each
>> channel)
>> stereo FX return (with vol control)
>> Channel 1 switches to a mono microphone input, XLR, no
>> phantom.
>> Main outs on balanced jacks with master vol.
>>
>> ..and some additional connections on *stereo* 1/4 in jacks
>> Monitor out...after master vol
>> Mix out ...before master vol
>> Input to main bus.
>> Input to fx bus.
>> (those last 3 are officially for daisy chaining 2 or more
>> units).
>>
>> Comments
>> 1) stereo fx bus....that's very useful
>> 2) seems well built, and sounds ok. Not noisy.
>> 3) none of the controls has a 0dB calibration, which makes
>> set up that much harder. ( the cheap Behringer
>>  stuff often has this). Not really a problem.
>> 4) the mic input sounds good enough for live work with good
>> full range response. Not for studio though, there's
>>  a distinctive quality/color to the transient response, and
>> no 48V.
>> 5) Mic pre-amp doesn't have an insert, and there's no way
>> to make fx send pre fade. In simple terms
>>   this means you can't EQ the mic, or compress it.
>> (and can't use my Vortex patches!)
>> 6) the additional connectors  available give some
>> scope for  extra routing, as long as you
>>    don't mind using Y-cables.
>> 7) neither of the 2 additional outputs has an independent
>> vol control, (such as would be useful for
>>   sending to Zoom H2 for recording)
>> 8) there's no mixer schematic in the manual, it's printed
>> on the top of the unit. Obviously
>>   when you rack the unit you no longer have the
>> schematic which is the only way to see
>>   the mixer features at a glance.
>> 9) Balanced outs means that you only need a couple of jack
>> to XLR converters and
>>   you're able to say " I have my own DI box" to any
>> sound engineer you encounter when playing live.
>>   This reduces their anxiety about how to deal with
>> your complex setup to zero.
>> 10) no official way to make sends pre-fade, which would
>> make the unit much more usable.
>>
>> Conclusion
>> Very nearly a neat way to route your looping gear, and add
>> a microphone
>> with just a 1u unit.
>>
>> If you don't need to use the mic-pre there's no real minus
>> points to the mixer,
>> apart from lack of pre-fade sends.
>> Sound quality is easily good enough for live work.
>>
>> Big disappointment is the implementation of the mic input.
>> There's no way to
>> eq the mic, so unless you want a flat response, and have a
>> dynamic mic that
>> will give that you can't really this mixer. Using with an
>> SM58, for instance, will
>> just give you that unclear boxy sound which is normally
>> filtered out at the desk.
>> So, probably ok for announcements that no-one understands.
>> I'm ok, I have a Sennheiser 421 which works very well for
>> feeding assorted
>> acoustic sounds into the loops (on the fx send), but those
>> aren't exactly
>> cheap.
>> Generally, anyone looking to add a mic to their setup ( or
>> to remove a mic-pre
>> to save weight/space) is going to be frustrated.
>>
>> Further investigation.
>> It must be possible to mod this unit so that there's a way
>> to eq( or Vortex)  the mic.
>> but no service sheet available.
>>
>> I emailed Alesis tech support, US *and* UK and was sent a
>> pair of automated responses
>> promising a reply within 2 days....about a week ago.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> andy butler
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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How's the north CA rain now?  I'm flying in to SFO tomorrow.

See ya'll

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>
>   Northern California is expecting a two day storm that will bring 3-6
> inches of rain
> and 60 mph winds ending on the Wednesday morning,  the first day of the
> festival.
>
> Unfortunately,  we have to drive up to SFO to pick up many artists flying
> in the middle of it on Tuesday.
>
> Please wish Chris , my beautiful and generous wife and I
> safe driving on Tuesday!    We're planning on taking two vehicles
> up to SFO that day.
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We landed yesterday afternoon at 02:00 pm. Heavy storm and very bumpy
landing. Drove through the Santa Cruz mountains but that was ok.
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Further to this 1U discussion, has anyone tried the Motu Traveller as a
loopers mixer? It seems to be very interesting... but i dont have one, but
am thinking about it ... alot....

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun05/articles/motutraveler.htm


Mark

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:16 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote=
:

> hi Luis, (and loopers everywhere suffereing the "mixer problem")
>
> I had a really good look at the Alesis 8Line.
>
> The chips used are the cheapest op amps available for audio.
> The construction is good enough, but not better than Behringer
> ( held together by self tap screws).
> The "tech support" on the website never replies at all.
>
> As it's a line mixer though, the cheap chips only have to do  1:1
> amplification, which means the sound quality doesn't suffer too much.
>
> I wouldn't consider it for studio use, but for live work I think it's
> going to scrape by.
> As for noise levels...less than the EDPs.
>
> I was able to successfully mod the 8Line so that the mic input, and
> one other, are sent to the FX send without going to the main mix.
> That's a very easy hack to do which makes the mixer loop friendly,
> just clipping a few wires. (plus of course the 3 days to work out
> which wires to clip because Alesis won't provide docs).
> I also added switches for that, which is a bit harder, but allows a bit o=
f
> flexibility.
> I reckon it wouldn't be hard to do other mods to the 8Line, luike
> re=3Drouting
>
> I don't know the Rolls stuff at all, don't even know if
> there's a European dealer.
> ...but I mailed their tech support to test them out on your behalf ;-)
>
>
>
> Anyway, those 2 mixers have very different feature lists,
> surely that's the first consideration?
>
>
> andy butler
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> L.Angulo wrote:
>
>> hey Andy,
>> Still investigating this.
>> Which one do you think is better in terms of sound quality between this
>> and the Rolls RM 65B?
>>
>> specs here for both
>>
>> http://www.rolls.com/pdf/DS_RM65.pdf
>>
>> http://www.alesis.com/multimix8line
>>
>> anyone?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Is this the ideal small mixer we've
>>> all been looking for?
>>>
>>> Alesis Multimix 8 Line. 1u mixer for looping.
>>> http://www.alesis.com/multimix8line.
>>>
>>>
>>> Feature list and mini review.
>>>
>>> features
>>>
>>> All connections on 1/4 unbalanced jacks unless otherwise
>>> noted.
>>> 8 stereo/mono input channels,  vol, balance, fx send
>>> *Stereo* FX send ( works with channel pan/balance, for each
>>> channel)
>>> stereo FX return (with vol control)
>>> Channel 1 switches to a mono microphone input, XLR, no
>>> phantom.
>>> Main outs on balanced jacks with master vol.
>>>
>>> ..and some additional connections on *stereo* 1/4 in jacks
>>> Monitor out...after master vol
>>> Mix out ...before master vol
>>> Input to main bus.
>>> Input to fx bus.
>>> (those last 3 are officially for daisy chaining 2 or more
>>> units).
>>>
>>> Comments
>>> 1) stereo fx bus....that's very useful
>>> 2) seems well built, and sounds ok. Not noisy.
>>> 3) none of the controls has a 0dB calibration, which makes
>>> set up that much harder. ( the cheap Behringer
>>>  stuff often has this). Not really a problem.
>>> 4) the mic input sounds good enough for live work with good
>>> full range response. Not for studio though, there's
>>>  a distinctive quality/color to the transient response, and
>>> no 48V.
>>> 5) Mic pre-amp doesn't have an insert, and there's no way
>>> to make fx send pre fade. In simple terms
>>>  this means you can't EQ the mic, or compress it.
>>> (and can't use my Vortex patches!)
>>> 6) the additional connectors  available give some
>>> scope for  extra routing, as long as you
>>>   don't mind using Y-cables.
>>> 7) neither of the 2 additional outputs has an independent
>>> vol control, (such as would be useful for
>>>  sending to Zoom H2 for recording)
>>> 8) there's no mixer schematic in the manual, it's printed
>>> on the top of the unit. Obviously
>>>  when you rack the unit you no longer have the
>>> schematic which is the only way to see
>>>  the mixer features at a glance.
>>> 9) Balanced outs means that you only need a couple of jack
>>> to XLR converters and
>>>  you're able to say " I have my own DI box" to any
>>> sound engineer you encounter when playing live.
>>>  This reduces their anxiety about how to deal with
>>> your complex setup to zero.
>>> 10) no official way to make sends pre-fade, which would
>>> make the unit much more usable.
>>>
>>> Conclusion
>>> Very nearly a neat way to route your looping gear, and add
>>> a microphone
>>> with just a 1u unit.
>>>
>>> If you don't need to use the mic-pre there's no real minus
>>> points to the mixer,
>>> apart from lack of pre-fade sends.
>>> Sound quality is easily good enough for live work.
>>>
>>> Big disappointment is the implementation of the mic input.
>>> There's no way to
>>> eq the mic, so unless you want a flat response, and have a
>>> dynamic mic that
>>> will give that you can't really this mixer. Using with an
>>> SM58, for instance, will
>>> just give you that unclear boxy sound which is normally
>>> filtered out at the desk.
>>> So, probably ok for announcements that no-one understands.
>>> I'm ok, I have a Sennheiser 421 which works very well for
>>> feeding assorted
>>> acoustic sounds into the loops (on the fx send), but those
>>> aren't exactly
>>> cheap.
>>> Generally, anyone looking to add a mic to their setup ( or
>>> to remove a mic-pre
>>> to save weight/space) is going to be frustrated.
>>>
>>> Further investigation.
>>> It must be possible to mod this unit so that there's a way
>>> to eq( or Vortex)  the mic.
>>> but no service sheet available.
>>>
>>> I emailed Alesis tech support, US *and* UK and was sent a
>>> pair of automated responses
>>> promising a reply within 2 days....about a week ago.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> andy butler
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Further to this 1U discussion, has anyone tried the Motu Traveller as a loo=
pers mixer? It seems to be very interesting... but i dont have one, but am =
thinking about it ... alot....<br><br><a href=3D"http://www.soundonsound.co=
m/sos/jun05/articles/motutraveler.htm">http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun0=
5/articles/motutraveler.htm</a><br>

<br><br>Mark<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:16=
 PM, andy butler <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:akbutler@tiscali.c=
o.uk">akbutler@tiscali.co.uk</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0p=
t 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">

hi Luis, (and loopers everywhere suffereing the &quot;mixer problem&quot;)<=
br>
<br>
I had a really good look at the Alesis 8Line.<br>
<br>
The chips used are the cheapest op amps available for audio.<br>
The construction is good enough, but not better than Behringer<br>
( held together by self tap screws).<br>
The &quot;tech support&quot; on the website never replies at all.<br>
<br>
As it&#39;s a line mixer though, the cheap chips only have to do =A01:1 amp=
lification, which means the sound quality doesn&#39;t suffer too much.<br>
<br>
I wouldn&#39;t consider it for studio use, but for live work I think it&#39=
;s<br>
going to scrape by.<br>
As for noise levels...less than the EDPs.<br>
<br>
I was able to successfully mod the 8Line so that the mic input, and<br>
one other, are sent to the FX send without going to the main mix.<br>
That&#39;s a very easy hack to do which makes the mixer loop friendly,<br>
just clipping a few wires. (plus of course the 3 days to work out<br>
which wires to clip because Alesis won&#39;t provide docs).<br>
I also added switches for that, which is a bit harder, but allows a bit of =
flexibility.<br>
I reckon it wouldn&#39;t be hard to do other mods to the 8Line, luike re=3D=
routing<br>
<br>
I don&#39;t know the Rolls stuff at all, don&#39;t even know if<br>
there&#39;s a European dealer.<br>
...but I mailed their tech support to test them out on your behalf ;-)<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Anyway, those 2 mixers have very different feature lists,<br>
surely that&#39;s the first consideration?<br>
<br>
<br>
andy butler<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
L.Angulo wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
hey Andy,<br>
Still investigating this.<br>
Which one do you think is better in terms of sound quality between this and=
 the Rolls RM 65B?<br>
<br>
specs here for both<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.rolls.com/pdf/DS_RM65.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://w=
ww.rolls.com/pdf/DS_RM65.pdf</a><br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.alesis.com/multimix8line" target=3D"_blank">http://ww=
w.alesis.com/multimix8line</a><br>
<br>
anyone?<br>
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Is this the ideal small mixer we&#39;ve<br>
all been looking for?<br>
<br>
Alesis Multimix 8 Line. 1u mixer for looping.<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.alesis.com/multimix8line" target=3D"_blank">http://ww=
w.alesis.com/multimix8line</a>.<br>
<br>
<br>
Feature list and mini review.<br>
<br>
features<br>
<br>
All connections on 1/4 unbalanced jacks unless otherwise<br>
noted.<br>
8 stereo/mono input channels, =A0vol, balance, fx send<br>
*Stereo* FX send ( works with channel pan/balance, for each<br>
channel)<br>
stereo FX return (with vol control)<br>
Channel 1 switches to a mono microphone input, XLR, no<br>
phantom.<br>
Main outs on balanced jacks with master vol.<br>
<br>
..and some additional connections on *stereo* 1/4 in jacks<br>
Monitor out...after master vol<br>
Mix out ...before master vol<br>
Input to main bus.<br>
Input to fx bus.<br>
(those last 3 are officially for daisy chaining 2 or more<br>
units).<br>
<br>
Comments<br>
1) stereo fx bus....that&#39;s very useful<br>
2) seems well built, and sounds ok. Not noisy.<br>
3) none of the controls has a 0dB calibration, which makes<br>
set up that much harder. ( the cheap Behringer<br>
=A0stuff often has this). Not really a problem.<br>
4) the mic input sounds good enough for live work with good<br>
full range response. Not for studio though, there&#39;s<br>
=A0a distinctive quality/color to the transient response, and<br>
no 48V.<br>
5) Mic pre-amp doesn&#39;t have an insert, and there&#39;s no way<br>
to make fx send pre fade. In simple terms<br>
 =A0this means you can&#39;t EQ the mic, or compress it.<br>
(and can&#39;t use my Vortex patches!)<br>
6) the additional connectors =A0available give some<br>
scope for =A0extra routing, as long as you<br>
 =A0 don&#39;t mind using Y-cables.<br>
7) neither of the 2 additional outputs has an independent<br>
vol control, (such as would be useful for<br>
 =A0sending to Zoom H2 for recording)<br>
8) there&#39;s no mixer schematic in the manual, it&#39;s printed<br>
on the top of the unit. Obviously<br>
 =A0when you rack the unit you no longer have the<br>
schematic which is the only way to see<br>
 =A0the mixer features at a glance.<br>
9) Balanced outs means that you only need a couple of jack<br>
to XLR converters and<br>
 =A0you&#39;re able to say &quot; I have my own DI box&quot; to any<br>
sound engineer you encounter when playing live.<br>
 =A0This reduces their anxiety about how to deal with<br>
your complex setup to zero.<br>
10) no official way to make sends pre-fade, which would<br>
make the unit much more usable.<br>
<br>
Conclusion<br>
Very nearly a neat way to route your looping gear, and add<br>
a microphone<br>
with just a 1u unit.<br>
<br>
If you don&#39;t need to use the mic-pre there&#39;s no real minus<br>
points to the mixer,<br>
apart from lack of pre-fade sends.<br>
Sound quality is easily good enough for live work.<br>
<br>
Big disappointment is the implementation of the mic input.<br>
There&#39;s no way to<br>
eq the mic, so unless you want a flat response, and have a<br>
dynamic mic that<br>
will give that you can&#39;t really this mixer. Using with an<br>
SM58, for instance, will<br>
just give you that unclear boxy sound which is normally<br>
filtered out at the desk.<br>
So, probably ok for announcements that no-one understands.<br>
I&#39;m ok, I have a Sennheiser 421 which works very well for<br>
feeding assorted<br>
acoustic sounds into the loops (on the fx send), but those<br>
aren&#39;t exactly<br>
cheap.<br>
Generally, anyone looking to add a mic to their setup ( or<br>
to remove a mic-pre<br>
to save weight/space) is going to be frustrated.<br>
<br>
Further investigation.<br>
It must be possible to mod this unit so that there&#39;s a way<br>
to eq( or Vortex) =A0the mic.<br>
but no service sheet available.<br>
<br>
I emailed Alesis tech support, US *and* UK and was sent a<br>
pair of automated responses<br>
promising a reply within 2 days....about a week ago.<br>
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Enjoyed this latest crop of songs very much.  Thanks for posting., Mattihas.

I agree -sync is a great feature, whether it's in a multi-player context 
or just keeping the devices locked in. 

I like to lock up some drum patterns and a Repeater so that I can switch 
between current loop and already recorded ones, then drop down to drum 
machine alone.  The Repeater 'stretch' provides a nice segue when moving 
to a new tempo and transitioning the existing loop into something else.  
I use the occasional arpeggiator, too. 

Dan Ash
White Plains, NY
> Subject:
> Re: is live looping only a one man band playing technique?
> From:
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> Date:
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> I just added the 28th video to the "more than one musician" playlist 
> at http://youtube.com/livelooping
> there are only 22 in the "one man band" playlist
> thats because I only consider those who really achieve a kind of band 
> sound, by playing several instruments
> most create new sounds with layering only one or two instruments and 
> its sound variations - which we usually find more interesting, right, Per?
>
> yeees, sync... it can be difficult, but it helps to animate the crowd. 
> you can always not use it, but not to have it is a loss...
> I am trying to animate the loop gear makers to come up with a standard...
>
> I just uploaded some examples of music that hopefully illustrate why 
> its great to have sync:
> http://www.ubetoo.com/matigrob
>
> hope there will be lots of musical meetings on the stages of y2k9 !!
>
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> Further to this 1U discussion, has anyone tried the
> Motu Traveller as a loopers mixer?

I have an UltraLite which is basically just a smaller Traveler.  I
think it's fine as a loopers mixer, though it's expensive if all
you want is a mixer and don't intend to use it as a computer
audio interface.

It has a very flexible bus architecture, the typical looping
configuration for me is routing a collection of inputs into the
computer to feed the looper, direct "zero latency" monitoring of those
inputs to the main out, then routing the output of the looper to the
main outs without duplicating the inputs.  Hope that makes sense, it
is similar to what you would do with the Mute/Alt bus on a Mackie
mixer if that helps.

You can configure a pair of inputs and outputs for use as a stereo aux
send/return among other things.

You can do all this from the front panel without a computer but it's a
bit tedious.  Their software control panel CueMix is much easier.

The mic pres are fine for me but I'm not that demanding.

I also have the Rolls which I think was mentioned in this thread.
I use it as a summing mixer to get all my various studio toys down
into a stereo signal to feed to the computer.  My only complaint
is that the aux send is mono with a stereo return, I would prefer
a stereo send for the looper.

Jeff

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
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color:#1F497D'>&gt; Further to this 1U discussion, has anyone tried the<o:p=
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color:#1F497D'>&gt; Motu Traveller as a loopers mixer? <o:p></o:p></span></=
p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I have an UltraLite which is basically just a smaller
Traveler.&nbsp; I<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>think it's fine as a loopers mixer, though it's expensive if=
 all<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>you want is a mixer and don't intend to use it as a computer=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>audio interface.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>It has a very flexible bus architecture, the typical looping=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>configuration for me is routing a collection of inputs into =
the<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>computer to feed the looper, direct &quot;zero latency&quot;
monitoring of those<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>inputs to the main out, then routing the output of the loope=
r to
the<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>main outs without duplicating the inputs.&nbsp; Hope that ma=
kes
sense, it<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>is similar to what you would do with the Mute/Alt bus on a
Mackie<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>mixer if that helps.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>You can configure a pair of inputs and outputs for use as a
stereo aux<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>send/return among other things.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>You can do all this from the front panel without a computer =
but
it's a<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>bit tedious.&nbsp; Their software control panel CueMix is mu=
ch
easier.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
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color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The mic pres are fine for me but I'm not that demanding.&nbs=
p; <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
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color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I also have the Rolls which I think was mentioned in this
thread.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I use it as a summing mixer to get all my various studio toy=
s
down<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>into a stereo signal to feed to the computer.&nbsp; My only
complaint<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>is that the aux send is mono with a stereo return, I would
prefer<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>a stereo send for the looper.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
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color:#1F497D'>Jeff<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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My class is producing an album and we want to print a nice graphic design directly to disc. We were considering purchasing our own low end cd printer. I was wondering if anyone has a home one that they recommend (on the cheaper side).

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Artist Website - http://margaretnoble.net/
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I use a Casio CD-100, and I like it. I like it because it does black
text on silver discs that look like commercial pressings. It's not
good for multi-color graphics though.

http://www.casio.com/products/Label_&_Disk_Title_Printers/Disk_Title_Printers/CW-100/

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> My class is producing an album and we want to print a nice graphic design
> directly to disc. We were considering purchasing our own low end cd printer.
> I was wondering if anyone has a home one that they recommend (on the cheaper
> side).
>
> Margaret Noble - Sound Artist
>
> Artist Website - http://margaretnoble.net/
> Sound is Art Magazine - http://margaretnoble.net/soundisart
> Upcoming Concert Series - http://freshsoundmusic.com
>
>



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I have an Epson Photo R600. It prints on printable CD's and if you
load it with photo paper or photo equivalent paper it almost looks
like out of a manufactured booklet. I use it very rarely though,
because the ink is so expensive. Wouldn't buy it again today because
now I want to do digital releases rather than mechanized for CD, and I
think that will be the way of the future.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com



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> I was wondering if anyone has a home one that they recommend (on the cheaper
> side).
>
> Margaret Noble - Sound Artist
>
> Artist Website - http://margaretnoble.net/
> Sound is Art Magazine - http://margaretnoble.net/soundisart
> Upcoming Concert Series - http://freshsoundmusic.com
>
>

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Oops.... R800 it is.

Per



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> I have an Epson Photo R600. It prints on printable CD's and if you
> load it with photo paper or photo equivalent paper it almost looks
> like out of a manufactured booklet. I use it very rarely though,
> because the ink is so expensive. Wouldn't buy it again today because
> now I want to do digital releases rather than mechanized for CD, and I
> think that will be the way of the future.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com

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margaret noble wrote:
> My class is producing an album and we want to print a nice graphic 
> design directly to disc. We were considering purchasing our own low end 
> cd printer. I was wondering if anyone has a home one that they recommend 
> (on the cheaper side).
>  
> Margaret Noble - Sound Artist
> 
> Artist Website - http://margaretnoble.net/
> Sound is Art Magazine - http://margaretnoble.net/soundisart
> Upcoming Concert Series - http://freshsoundmusic.com
> 
> 


Philips LightScribe technology maybe?  probably not suitable for more 
than fairly low-volume.


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I use an Epson Stylus Photo R800, it wasn't cheap (about $700.00 4 
years ago) but the results are very professional and the inks while 
being expensive; don't fade. They advertise as being archival quality 
pictures. Generally I make about 250 cd's a year and they would be 
cheaper to buy manufactured but this way I can do 20 or 30 at time 
whenever I need them and don't need to come up with $1,000.00 or more 
dollars to make up some minimum order requirements.

Paul Haslem
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At 04:34 PM 10/14/2009, you wrote:
>My class is producing an album and we want to print a nice graphic 
>design directly to disc. We were considering purchasing our own low 
>end cd printer. I was wondering if anyone has a home one that they 
>recommend (on the cheaper side).
>
>Margaret Noble - Sound Artist
>
>Artist Website - <http://margaretnoble.net/>http://margaretnoble.net/
>Sound is Art Magazine - 
><http://margaretnoble.net/soundisart>http://margaretnoble.net/soundisart
>Upcoming Concert Series - 
><http://freshsoundmusic.com>http://freshsoundmusic.com
>

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I use an Epson Stylus Photo R800, it wasn't cheap (about $700.00 4 years
ago) but the results are very professional and the inks while being
expensive; don't fade. They advertise as being archival quality pictures.
Generally I make about 250 cd's a year and they would be cheaper to buy
manufactured but this way I can do 20 or 30 at time whenever I need them
and don't need to come up with $1,000.00 or more dollars to make up some
minimum order requirements.<br><br>
Paul Haslem<br>
<a href="http://www.dulcify.ca/" eudora="autourl">www.dulcify.ca<br>
</a>Ontario, Canada<br><br>
<br><br>
<br>
At 04:34 PM 10/14/2009, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">My class is producing an album
and we want to print a nice graphic design directly to disc. We were
considering purchasing our own low end cd printer. I was wondering if
anyone has a home one that they recommend (on the cheaper side).<br>
&nbsp;<br>
Margaret Noble - Sound Artist<br><br>
Artist Website -
<a href="http://margaretnoble.net/">http://margaretnoble.net/</a><br>
Sound is Art Magazine -
<a href="http://margaretnoble.net/soundisart">
http://margaretnoble.net/soundisart</a><br>
Upcoming Concert Series -
<a href="http://freshsoundmusic.com">http://freshsoundmusic.com</a><br>
<br>
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I've used an Epson all-in-one printer to do CDs; worked great, looked  
great, and I actually got a couple of hundred disks from the ink that  
came with the printer. I did optimize my graphic so it was ink- 
efficient, i.e., about 50% white space and not a lot of dark saturated  
colors, but I was pleased with how may disks I got.
I notice that the model I used (RX580) is no longer available, but my  
experience with Epsons has been that they generally get better and  
cheaper as they evolve.

dpc


On Oct 14, 2009, at 1:34 PM, margaret noble wrote:

> My class is producing an album and we want to print a nice graphic  
> design directly to disc. We were considering purchasing our own low  
> end cd printer. I was wondering if anyone has a home one that they  
> recommend (on the cheaper side).
>
> Margaret Noble - Sound Artist
>
> Artist Website - http://margaretnoble.net/
> Sound is Art Magazine - http://margaretnoble.net/soundisart
> Upcoming Concert Series - http://freshsoundmusic.com
>
>
>


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Yeah.  I use an Epson R800.  Works great.  Don't make 'em anymore.   
Uses lots of ink and ink is expensive, although you can get generic  
for much less.  Generic is good if you're printing a lot... but I  
think it tends to dry in its casing quicker than Epson brand.

Use Taiyo Yuden CDs.  The rest are fairly junky.  A good place to get  
Taiyo Yuden in the US is Media Supply:

http://www.mediasupply.com/tyd80wpgrs-600-100.html

you can get either white, as these are, or printable silver.  Taiyo  
Yuden SOUNDS better, better stereo image etc.

Always master to gold Mitsui CDRs:

http://www.mediasupply.com/cd-r-media-mam-a.html

The best!  Plus, they last 100-300 years... handy if you happen to be  
immortal. OR VERY young.

Copy to duplicator HD from gold CD.

Bought my CD duplicator at Diskmakers.  Still working after tons of CDs.

R
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www.hayleysales.com


On Oct 14, 2009, at 2:55 PM, David Coffin wrote:

> I've used an Epson all-in-one printer to do CDs; worked great,  
> looked great, and I actually got a couple of hundred disks from the  
> ink that came with the printer. I did optimize my graphic so it was  
> ink-efficient, i.e., about 50% white space and not a lot of dark  
> saturated colors, but I was pleased with how may disks I got.
> I notice that the model I used (RX580) is no longer available, but  
> my experience with Epsons has been that they generally get better  
> and cheaper as they evolve.
>
> dpc
>
>
> On Oct 14, 2009, at 1:34 PM, margaret noble wrote:
>
>> My class is producing an album and we want to print a nice graphic  
>> design directly to disc. We were considering purchasing our own low  
>> end cd printer. I was wondering if anyone has a home one that they  
>> recommend (on the cheaper side).
>>
>> Margaret Noble - Sound Artist
>>
>> Artist Website - http://margaretnoble.net/
>> Sound is Art Magazine - http://margaretnoble.net/soundisart
>> Upcoming Concert Series - http://freshsoundmusic.com
>>
>>
>>
>

richard sales
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www.richardsales.com
www.hayleysales.com







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R800. &nbsp;Works great. &nbsp;Don't make 'em anymore. &nbsp;Uses lots =
of ink and ink is expensive, although you can get generic for much less. =
&nbsp;Generic is good if you're printing a lot... but I think it tends =
to dry in its casing quicker than Epson brand.<div><br></div><div>Use =
Taiyo Yuden CDs. &nbsp;The rest are fairly junky. &nbsp;A good place to =
get Taiyo Yuden in the US is Media Supply:</div><div><br></div><div><a =
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&nbsp;Plus, they last 100-300 years... handy if you happen to be =
immortal. OR VERY young.</div><div><br></div><div>Copy to duplicator HD =
from gold CD.</div><div><br></div><div>Bought my CD duplicator at =
Diskmakers. &nbsp;Still working after tons of =
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got a couple of hundred disks from&nbsp;the ink that came with&nbsp;the =
printer. I did optimize my graphic so it was ink-efficient, i.e., about =
50% white space and not a lot of dark saturated colors, but I was =
pleased with how may disks I got.<div>I notice that the model I used =
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Ah Per! ... R800... a man of taste!

R
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On Oct 14, 2009, at 2:15 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

> Oops.... R800 it is.
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>> like out of a manufactured booklet. I use it very rarely though,
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I have a line on an Alesis nanobas unit - I already own a nanoverb and nano=
compressor.

The nanobass has a midi in and thru/out jacks but has 1/4" jacks for left &=
 right output; the 'verb and 'compressor just have 1/4" jacks for l/r input=
s and outs.

I'm a bassist and nothing else I own has a midi jack (other than my never-u=
sed RC20XL) and I want to spare myself having to learn another damn thing -=
 is there anyway I can use the nanobass unit with 1/4" cables?

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read that the nano unit have a funny milliamperage and need the alesis wall=
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 'verb and 'compressor just have 1/4" jacks for l/r inputs and outs.<br><br=
>I'm a bassist and nothing else I own has a midi jack (other than my never-=
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- is there anyway I can use the nanobass unit with 1/4" cables?<br><br>And.=
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Ted,

The Nanobass is a synth unit so it needs to be driven via MIDI, while  
the nanoverb and nanocompressor are effects units, thus the diff.

All the best,

Loren Claypool
genre-indifferent instrumental guitar music
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On Oct 14, 2009, at 6:45 PM, ditch wrestler wrote:

>
> I have a line on an Alesis nanobas unit - I already own a nanoverb  
> and nanocompressor.
>
> The nanobass has a midi in and thru/out jacks but has 1/4" jacks for  
> left & right output; the 'verb and 'compressor just have 1/4" jacks  
> for l/r inputs and outs.
>
> I'm a bassist and nothing else I own has a midi jack (other than my  
> never-used RC20XL) and I want to spare myself having to learn  
> another damn thing - is there anyway I can use the nanobass unit  
> with 1/4" cables?
>
> And...has anybody used a nano unit powered by a Godlyke power-all?   
> I've read that the nano unit have a funny milliamperage and need the  
> alesis wall-wart to work properly...
>
>
> ted.
> Enemies are good for self-definition. Werner Herzog
>
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music</div><div><a =
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Hi Loopers Delight,

The Anno Domini Gallery will be streaming the opening night of Y2K9 on
Ustream!  Broadcast begins at 7:30 PST.

The Address is: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/live-from-anno-domini

Schedule of Performers (Approximate Time):

7:30 ENTERTAINMENT FOR THE BRAINDEAD (GERMANY)

8:00 KALIMBA MAN aka KEVIN SPEARS (USA)

8:30 NATALIE GRANT (AUSTRALIA)

9:00 ANDRE DONAWA (BARABADOS)

9:30 MICHAEL PETERS (GERMANY)

10:00 DAVID COOPER ORTON (ENGLAND)

10:30 PREMONITION FACTORY (BELGIUM)

Enjoy!

Jack Schultz

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Hi Loopers Delight,<br><br>The Anno Domini Gallery will be streaming the op=
ening night of Y2K9 on Ustream!=A0 Broadcast begins at 7:30 PST. <br><br>Th=
e Address is: <a href=3D"http://www.ustream.tv/channel/live-from-anno-domin=
i">http://www.ustream.tv/channel/live-from-anno-domini</a><br>
<br>Schedule of Performers (Approximate Time):<br><br>7:30 ENTERTAINMENT FO=
R THE BRAINDEAD (GERMANY)<br><br>8:00 KALIMBA MAN aka KEVIN SPEARS (USA)<br=
><br>8:30 NATALIE GRANT (AUSTRALIA)<br><br>9:00 ANDRE DONAWA (BARABADOS)<br=
>
<br>9:30 MICHAEL PETERS (GERMANY)<br><br>10:00 DAVID COOPER ORTON (ENGLAND)=
<br><br>10:30 PREMONITION FACTORY (BELGIUM)<br><br>Enjoy!<br><br>Jack Schul=
tz<br><br><br>

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Putting on my other hat ... I have some bad news, Richard, about those
lovely gold Mitsuis ... they don't last.

An unpublished report that came out of NARA (unpublished because it
was so controversial!), found that the gold CDs all of us had been
touting for years suffer the same bit-rot as everything else and the
longevity is nowhere near what has been claimed in the past. The
lifespans are closer to 10-15 years IF EVERYTHING IS PERFECT
STORAGEWISE...

So, what to do? For one thing, you could start burning an checksum
file with each CD master you create. Check that file once per year and
at the first time it hiccups, duplicate that master to another gold
CD. Basically, we are talking about "forward migration" of your
digital data on a regular basis to avoid totally losing the content.

The other option is using RAIDs to store the files on hard drives,
again making sure to monitor your checksum files for any signs of
degradation or change.

It ain't rocket science; it's archival science and yeah, I happen to
also be a trained archivist, when I'm not looping.

Best,

Dennis


On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:28 PM, richard sales <richard@glasswing.com> wrot=
e:
> Always master to gold Mitsui CDRs:
> http://www.mediasupply.com/cd-r-media-mam-a.html
> The best! =A0Plus, they last 100-300 years... handy if you happen to be
> immortal. OR VERY young.
> Copy to duplicator HD from gold CD.

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Hope this isn't a ridiculous question but...

I have a Macbook running XP with Bootcamp.  I partitioned the drive
with 27.5 Gigs for the Windows side but I'm having trouble finding my
disc space.  The computer tells me I have used 27 Gb but half a gig
left but I can only account for 21 Gb when I add up all the folders.
Is there someplace I should be looking for hidden folders or the like
on XP since I don't think I've actually used that much space?  And I
have the folders set to show hidden files so I'm at a loss of where my
disc space is.

Thanks and apologies if I've asked a

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futureproof archiving was mastered years ago.
put your files into a p2p network and name it with some tricky obscene
sentence.

2009/10/15 Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com>

> Putting on my other hat ... I have some bad news, Richard, about those
> lovely gold Mitsuis ... they don't last.
>
> An unpublished report that came out of NARA (unpublished because it
> was so controversial!), found that the gold CDs all of us had been
> touting for years suffer the same bit-rot as everything else and the
> longevity is nowhere near what has been claimed in the past. The
> lifespans are closer to 10-15 years IF EVERYTHING IS PERFECT
> STORAGEWISE...
>
> So, what to do? For one thing, you could start burning an checksum
> file with each CD master you create. Check that file once per year and
> at the first time it hiccups, duplicate that master to another gold
> CD. Basically, we are talking about "forward migration" of your
> digital data on a regular basis to avoid totally losing the content.
>
> The other option is using RAIDs to store the files on hard drives,
> again making sure to monitor your checksum files for any signs of
> degradation or change.
>
> It ain't rocket science; it's archival science and yeah, I happen to
> also be a trained archivist, when I'm not looping.
>
> Best,
>
> Dennis
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:28 PM, richard sales <richard@glasswing.com>
> wrote:
> > Always master to gold Mitsui CDRs:
> > http://www.mediasupply.com/cd-r-media-mam-a.html
> > The best!  Plus, they last 100-300 years... handy if you happen to be
> > immortal. OR VERY young.
> > Copy to duplicator HD from gold CD.
>
> --
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> http://audiozoloft.com
> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/
>
>


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futureproof archiving was mastered years ago.<br>put your files into a p2p =
network and name it with some tricky obscene sentence.<br><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote">2009/10/15 Dennis Moser <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:sinsofmachaut@gmail.com">sinsofmachaut@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Putting on my oth=
er hat ... I have some bad news, Richard, about those<br>
lovely gold Mitsuis ... they don&#39;t last.<br>
<br>
An unpublished report that came out of NARA (unpublished because it<br>
was so controversial!), found that the gold CDs all of us had been<br>
touting for years suffer the same bit-rot as everything else and the<br>
longevity is nowhere near what has been claimed in the past. The<br>
lifespans are closer to 10-15 years IF EVERYTHING IS PERFECT<br>
STORAGEWISE...<br>
<br>
So, what to do? For one thing, you could start burning an checksum<br>
file with each CD master you create. Check that file once per year and<br>
at the first time it hiccups, duplicate that master to another gold<br>
CD. Basically, we are talking about &quot;forward migration&quot; of your<b=
r>
digital data on a regular basis to avoid totally losing the content.<br>
<br>
The other option is using RAIDs to store the files on hard drives,<br>
again making sure to monitor your checksum files for any signs of<br>
degradation or change.<br>
<br>
It ain&#39;t rocket science; it&#39;s archival science and yeah, I happen t=
o<br>
also be a trained archivist, when I&#39;m not looping.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Dennis<br>
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:28 PM, richard sales &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:richar=
d@glasswing.com">richard@glasswing.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Always master to gold Mitsui CDRs:<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.mediasupply.com/cd-r-media-mam-a.html" target=3D=
"_blank">http://www.mediasupply.com/cd-r-media-mam-a.html</a><br>
&gt; The best! =A0Plus, they last 100-300 years... handy if you happen to b=
e<br>
&gt; immortal. OR VERY young.<br>
&gt; Copy to duplicator HD from gold CD.<br>
<br>
</div></div><font color=3D"#888888">--<br>
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/usrsbin</a><br>
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</a><br>
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shsbin.angrek.com/</a><br>
<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Raul Bonell at B=
logger: <a href=3D"http://raulbonell.blogspot.com">http://raulbonell.blogsp=
ot.com</a><br>Chain Tape Collective: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-collective.co=
m">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
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Yeah it works for me, but I still feel kind of sorry for all those
guys who've been downloading my music off bittorrent thinking they're
getting "Dirty Latvian Nymphos vol. 12."

: )

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:
> futureproof archiving was mastered years ago.
> put your files into a p2p network and name it with some tricky obscene
> sentence.
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Good to know. Thanks. Always happy to learn.

Fortunately, I do have decent RAID backup.  But the gold CDs do sound  
better.  I ran into this with an extreme audiophile/studio friend a  
while back.

I've done the checksum routine with other stuff in the past.  Took  
quite a while - was a lot of work.  I did it manually.  Is there an  
automated way?  (Should we continue this off list?)

I have almost five TB of archived audio now.  Not to mention the six  
years of backup to tape that lost its directory a couple years ago  
(Retrospect).  Haven't rebuilt that yet. Ouch!

The good news is, I have pulled ten year old Pro Tools sessions (from  
HD) recently that sounded and played fine.... but the whole archive  
thing gives me the willies.

thanks again, Dennis.

R
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On Oct 14, 2009, at 6:44 PM, Dennis Moser wrote:

> Putting on my other hat ... I have some bad news, Richard, about those
> lovely gold Mitsuis ... they don't last.
>
> An unpublished report that came out of NARA (unpublished because it
> was so controversial!), found that the gold CDs all of us had been
> touting for years suffer the same bit-rot as everything else and the
> longevity is nowhere near what has been claimed in the past. The
> lifespans are closer to 10-15 years IF EVERYTHING IS PERFECT
> STORAGEWISE...
>
> So, what to do? For one thing, you could start burning an checksum
> file with each CD master you create. Check that file once per year and
> at the first time it hiccups, duplicate that master to another gold
> CD. Basically, we are talking about "forward migration" of your
> digital data on a regular basis to avoid totally losing the content.
>
> The other option is using RAIDs to store the files on hard drives,
> again making sure to monitor your checksum files for any signs of
> degradation or change.
>
> It ain't rocket science; it's archival science and yeah, I happen to
> also be a trained archivist, when I'm not looping.
>
> Best,
>
> Dennis
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:28 PM, richard sales  
> <richard@glasswing.com> wrote:
>> Always master to gold Mitsui CDRs:
>> http://www.mediasupply.com/cd-r-media-mam-a.html
>> The best!  Plus, they last 100-300 years... handy if you happen to be
>> immortal. OR VERY young.
>> Copy to duplicator HD from gold CD.
>
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&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I've done the checksum routine with =
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&nbsp;I did it manually. &nbsp;Is there an automated way? &nbsp;(Should =
we continue this off list?)</div><div><br></div><div>I have almost five =
TB of archived audio now. &nbsp;Not to mention the six years of backup =
to tape that lost its directory a couple years ago (Retrospect). =
&nbsp;Haven't rebuilt that yet. Ouch!</div><div><br></div><div>The good =
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That was you!? :)

J

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> Yeah it works for me, but I still feel kind of sorry for all those
> guys who've been downloading my music off bittorrent thinking they're
> getting "Dirty Latvian Nymphos vol. 12."
>
> : )
>
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>> futureproof archiving was mastered years ago.
>> put your files into a p2p network and name it with some tricky obscene
>> sentence.
> -- 
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Really digging Kalimba man on now!



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  Hi Loopers Delight,

  The Anno Domini Gallery will be streaming the opening night of Y2K9 on =
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  The Address is: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/live-from-anno-domini

  Schedule of Performers (Approximate Time):

  7:30 ENTERTAINMENT FOR THE BRAINDEAD (GERMANY)

  8:00 KALIMBA MAN aka KEVIN SPEARS (USA)

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  Enjoy!

  Jack Schultz



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Thanks!!!! I ordered an Epson 800 Refurb and supplies today based on all of your recs. 

 Margaret Noble - Sound Artist


Artist Website - http://margaretnoble.net/
Sound is Art Magazine - http://margaretnoble.net/soundisart
Upcoming Concert Series - http://freshsoundmusic.com




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Yeah.  I use an Epson R800.  Works great.  Don't make 'em anymore.  Uses lots of ink and ink is expensive, although you can get generic for much less.  Generic is good if you're printing a lot... but I think it tends to dry in its casing quicker than Epson brand.

Use Taiyo Yuden CDs.  The rest are fairly junky.  A good place to get Taiyo Yuden in the US is Media Supply:

http://www.mediasupply.com/tyd80wpgrs-600-100.html

you can get either white, as these are, or printable silver.  Taiyo Yuden SOUNDS better, better stereo image etc. 

Always master to gold Mitsui CDRs:

http://www.mediasupply.com/cd-r-media-mam-a.html

The best!  Plus, they last 100-300 years... handy if you happen to be immortal. OR VERY young.

Copy to duplicator HD from gold CD.

Bought my CD duplicator at Diskmakers.  Still working after tons of CDs.

R
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On Oct 14, 2009, at 2:55 PM, David Coffin wrote:

I've used an Epson all-in-one printer to do CDs; worked great, looked great, and I actually got a couple of hundred disks from the ink that came with the printer. I did optimize my graphic so it was ink-efficient, i.e., about 50% white space and not a lot of dark saturated colors, but I was pleased with how may disks I got.
>I notice that the model I used (RX580) is no longer available, but my experience with Epsons has been that they generally get better and cheaper as they evolve.
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>dpc
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>On Oct 14, 2009, at 1:34 PM, margaret noble wrote:
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>My class is producing an album and we want to print a nice graphic design directly to disc. We were considering purchasing our own low end cd printer. I was wondering if anyone has a home one that they recommend (on the cheaper side).
>>
>> Margaret Noble - Sound Artist
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>>
>>Artist Website - http://margaretnoble.net/
>>Sound is Art Magazine - http://margaretnoble.net/soundisart
>>Upcoming Concert Series - http://freshsoundmusic.com
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www.hayleysales.com


      
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<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">Thanks!!!! I ordered an Epson 800 Refurb and supplies today based on all of your recs. <br><div>&nbsp;</div>Margaret Noble - Sound Artist<br><br><div><span>Artist Website - <a target="_blank" href="http://margaretnoble.net/">http://margaretnoble.net/</a></span><br><span>Sound is Art Magazine - <a target="_blank" href="http://margaretnoble.net/soundisart">http://margaretnoble.net/soundisart</a></span><br><span>Upcoming Concert Series - <a target="_blank" href="http://freshsoundmusic.com">http://freshsoundmusic.com</a></span><div><br></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> richard sales
 &lt;richard@glasswing.com&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wed, October 14, 2009 4:28:45 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Anyone use or own their own CD printer?<br></font><br>
Yeah. &nbsp;I use an Epson R800. &nbsp;Works great. &nbsp;Don't make 'em anymore. &nbsp;Uses lots of ink and ink is expensive, although you can get generic for much less. &nbsp;Generic is good if you're printing a lot... but I think it tends to dry in its casing quicker than Epson brand.<div><br></div><div>Use Taiyo Yuden CDs. &nbsp;The rest are fairly junky. &nbsp;A good place to get Taiyo Yuden in the US is Media Supply:</div><div><br></div><div><span><a target="_blank" href="http://www.mediasupply.com/tyd80wpgrs-600-100.html">http://www.mediasupply.com/tyd80wpgrs-600-100.html</a></span></div><div><br></div><div>you can get either white, as these are, or printable silver. &nbsp;Taiyo Yuden SOUNDS better, better stereo image etc.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Always master to gold Mitsui CDRs:</div><div><br></div><div><span><a target="_blank"
 href="http://www.mediasupply.com/cd-r-media-mam-a.html">http://www.mediasupply.com/cd-r-media-mam-a.html</a></span></div><div><br></div><div>The best! &nbsp;Plus, they last 100-300 years... handy if you happen to be immortal. OR VERY young.</div><div><br></div><div>Copy to duplicator HD from gold CD.</div><div><br></div><div>Bought my CD duplicator at Diskmakers. &nbsp;Still working after tons of CDs.</div><div><br></div><div>R</div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;"><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial">richard sales</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#908e38"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.glasswing.com">www.glasswing.com</a></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#908e38"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.richardsales.com">www.richardsales.com</a></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#908e38"><a rel="nofollow"
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 at 1:34 PM, margaret noble wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><div><div style="margin: 0px; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">My class is producing an album and we want to print a nice graphic design directly to disc. We were considering purchasing our own low end cd printer. I was wondering if anyone has a home one that they recommend (on the cheaper side).<br><div style="margin: 0px;">&nbsp;</div>Margaret Noble - Sound Artist<br><br><div style="margin: 0px;"><span>Artist Website -<span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><span><a target="_blank" href="http://margaretnoble.net/">http://margaretnoble.net/</a></span></span><br><span>Sound is Art Magazine -<span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><span><a target="_blank"
 href="http://margaretnoble.net/soundisart">http://margaretnoble.net/soundisart</a></span></span><br><span>Upcoming Concert Series -<span class="Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><span><a target="_blank" href="http://freshsoundmusic.com">http://freshsoundmusic.com</a></span></span><div style="margin: 0px;"><br></div></div></div><br></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></blockquote></div><br></div></div></blockquote></div><br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: ; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: ; word-spacing: 0px;"><div style=""><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant:
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I'll second that, great stuff!

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Jeff Duke <jeff_d@embarqmail.com> wrote:
> Really digging Kalimba man on now!
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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>
> The Address is: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/live-from-anno-domini
>
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>
> 7:30 ENTERTAINMENT FOR THE BRAINDEAD (GERMANY)
>
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>
> 8:30 NATALIE GRANT (AUSTRALIA)
>
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>
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>
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This makes me think I should give up guitar for Kalimba.

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> I'll second that, great stuff!
>
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Jeff Duke <jeff_d@embarqmail.com> wrote:
>> Really digging Kalimba man on now!
>>
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Rick just announced the....wait for it....the  LP2! a small footpedal 
looper! Lots of features, udo, feedback, etc


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I'll second that, great stuff!

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Jeff Duke <jeff_d@embarqmail.com> wrote:
> Really digging Kalimba man on now!
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jack Schultz
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:59 PM
> Subject: Gig Spam: Best of Y2K9 Livestreaming at 7:30 PST tonight
> Hi Loopers Delight,
>
> The Anno Domini Gallery will be streaming the opening night of Y2K9 on
> Ustream! Broadcast begins at 7:30 PST.
>
> The Address is: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/live-from-anno-domini
>
> Schedule of Performers (Approximate Time):
>
> 7:30 ENTERTAINMENT FOR THE BRAINDEAD (GERMANY)
>
> 8:00 KALIMBA MAN aka KEVIN SPEARS (USA)
>
> 8:30 NATALIE GRANT (AUSTRALIA)
>
> 9:00 ANDRE DONAWA (BARABADOS)
>
> 9:30 MICHAEL PETERS (GERMANY)
>
> 10:00 DAVID COOPER ORTON (ENGLAND)
>
> 10:30 PREMONITION FACTORY (BELGIUM)
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Jack Schultz
>
>
>



-- 
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OMG! Finally! Possibly a smart pedal looper! Gotta know more!

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> looper! Lots of features, udo, feedback, etc

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Mark,=0Ai had the Motu for a while and though the mixer is flexible i found=
 it very tedious manually though through the software is obviously the way =
to do it.Some things i just prefer to do manually!=0Asyncing mobious and th=
e adrenalinn and sending program changes to it with my FCB1010 was however =
a nightmare,as soon as i started doing midi sync stuff i just could not get=
 it to work right,my presonus works flawless and is way cheaper!=0Athen aga=
in try it and tell us your results=0Acheers=0ALuis=0Awww.myspace.com/luisan=
gulocom=0A=0A=0A--- mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> schrieb am Mi, =
14.10.2009:=0A=0A> Von: mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>=0A> Betreff=
: Re: AW: Alesis Multimix 8 Line. 1u mixer for looping.=0A> An: Loopers-Del=
ight@loopers-delight.com=0A> Datum: Mittwoch, 14. Oktober 2009, 11:17=0A> F=
urther to this 1U discussion, has anyone=0A> tried the Motu Traveller as a =
loopers mixer? It seems to be=0A> very interesting... but i dont have one, =
but am thinking=0A> about it ... alot....=0A> =0A> http://www.soundonsound.=
com/sos/jun05/articles/motutraveler.htm=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Mark=0A> =
=0A> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:16 PM,=0A> andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.=
uk>=0A> wrote:=0A> =0A> =0A> hi Luis, (and loopers everywhere suffereing th=
e "mixer=0A> problem")=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> I had a really good look at the A=
lesis 8Line.=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> The chips used are the cheapest op amps ava=
ilable for=0A> audio.=0A> =0A> The construction is good enough, but not bet=
ter than=0A> Behringer=0A> =0A> ( held together by self tap screws).=0A> =
=0A> The "tech support" on the website never replies=0A> at all.=0A> =0A> =
=0A> =0A> As it's a line mixer though, the cheap chips only have=0A> to do =
=A01:1 amplification, which means the sound quality=0A> doesn't suffer too =
much.=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> I wouldn't consider it for studio use, but for liv=
e=0A> work I think it's=0A> =0A> going to scrape by.=0A> =0A> As for noise =
levels...less than the EDPs.=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> I was able to successfully =
mod the 8Line so that the mic=0A> input, and=0A> =0A> one other, are sent t=
o the FX send without going to the=0A> main mix.=0A> =0A> That's a very eas=
y hack to do which makes the mixer=0A> loop friendly,=0A> =0A> just clippin=
g a few wires. (plus of course the 3 days to=0A> work out=0A> =0A> which wi=
res to clip because Alesis won't provide=0A> docs).=0A> =0A> I also added s=
witches for that, which is a bit harder, but=0A> allows a bit of flexibilit=
y.=0A> =0A> I reckon it wouldn't be hard to do other mods to the=0A> 8Line,=
 luike re=3Drouting=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> I don't know the Rolls stuff at all,=
 don't even=0A> know if=0A> =0A> there's a European dealer.=0A> =0A> ...but=
 I mailed their tech support to test them out on your=0A> behalf ;-)=0A> =
=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Anyway, those 2 mixers have very differe=
nt feature lists,=0A> =0A> surely that's the first consideration?=0A> =0A> =
=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> andy butler=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A>=
 =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A>=
 =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> L.Angulo wrote:=0A> =0A> =0A> hey =
Andy,=0A> =0A> Still investigating this.=0A> =0A> Which one do you think is=
 better in terms of sound quality=0A> between this and the Rolls RM 65B?=0A=
> =0A> =0A> =0A> specs here for both=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> http://www.rolls.co=
m/pdf/DS_RM65.pdf=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> http://www.alesis.com/multimix8line=0A=
> =0A> =0A> =0A> anyone?=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =
=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Is this the ideal small mixer =
we've=0A> =0A> all been looking for?=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Alesis Multimix 8 L=
ine. 1u mixer for looping.=0A> =0A> http://www.alesis.com/multimix8line.=0A=
> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Feature list and mini review.=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A>=
 features=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> All connections on 1/4 unbalanced jacks unless=
 otherwise=0A> =0A> noted.=0A> =0A> 8 stereo/mono input channels, =A0vol, b=
alance, fx send=0A> =0A> *Stereo* FX send ( works with channel pan/balance,=
 for=0A> each=0A> =0A> channel)=0A> =0A> stereo FX return (with vol control=
)=0A> =0A> Channel 1 switches to a mono microphone input, XLR, no=0A> =0A> =
phantom.=0A> =0A> Main outs on balanced jacks with master vol.=0A> =0A> =0A=
> =0A> ..and some additional connections on *stereo* 1/4 in jacks=0A> =0A> =
Monitor out...after master vol=0A> =0A> Mix out ...before master vol=0A> =
=0A> Input to main bus.=0A> =0A> Input to fx bus.=0A> =0A> (those last 3 ar=
e officially for daisy chaining 2 or more=0A> =0A> units).=0A> =0A> =0A> =
=0A> Comments=0A> =0A> 1) stereo fx bus....that's very useful=0A> =0A> 2) s=
eems well built, and sounds ok. Not noisy.=0A> =0A> 3) none of the controls=
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From: "L.Angulo" <labaloops@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: AW: Alesis Multimix 8 Line. 1u mixer for looping.
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thanx Andy,actually i think the Rolls mics dont sound too bad though im not=
 a sound expert,what i dont like about it is the aux send config and the fr=
ont knobs,the Alesis looks better in that department,and you can send any m=
ic input signal to the FX send and offcourse you can use the mon bus as an =
fx send as well.=0Abut id be delighted to hear your comparison on both!=0Ac=
heers mate=0ALuis=0Awww.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A--- andy butler <=
akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> schrieb am Mi, 14.10.2009:=0A=0A> Von: andy butler =
<akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>=0A> Betreff: Re: AW: Alesis Multimix 8 Line. 1u mi=
xer for looping.=0A> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A> Datum: Mit=
twoch, 14. Oktober 2009, 5:16=0A> hi Luis, (and loopers everywhere=0A> suff=
ereing the "mixer problem")=0A> =0A> I had a really good look at the Alesis=
 8Line.=0A> =0A> The chips used are the cheapest op amps available for=0A> =
audio.=0A> The construction is good enough, but not better than=0A> Behring=
er=0A> ( held together by self tap screws).=0A> The "tech support" on the w=
ebsite never replies at all.=0A> =0A> As it's a line mixer though, the chea=
p chips only have to=0A> do=A0 1:1 =0A> amplification, which means the soun=
d quality doesn't suffer=0A> too much.=0A> =0A> I wouldn't consider it for =
studio use, but for live work I=0A> think it's=0A> going to scrape by.=0A> =
As for noise levels...less than the EDPs.=0A> =0A> I was able to successful=
ly mod the 8Line so that the mic=0A> input, and=0A> one other, are sent to =
the FX send without going to the=0A> main mix.=0A> That's a very easy hack =
to do which makes the mixer loop=0A> friendly,=0A> just clipping a few wire=
s. (plus of course the 3 days to=0A> work out=0A> which wires to clip becau=
se Alesis won't provide docs).=0A> I also added switches for that, which is=
 a bit harder, but=0A> =0A> allows a bit of flexibility.=0A> I reckon it wo=
uldn't be hard to do other mods to the 8Line,=0A> luike re=3Drouting=0A> =
=0A> I don't know the Rolls stuff at all, don't even know if=0A> there's a =
European dealer.=0A> ...but I mailed their tech support to test them out on=
 your=0A> behalf ;-)=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Anyway, those 2 mixers have very di=
fferent feature lists,=0A> surely that's the first consideration?=0A> =0A> =
=0A> andy butler=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A>=
 =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> L.Angulo wrote:=0A> > hey Andy,=0A> > Still investigat=
ing this.=0A> > Which one do you think is better in terms of sound=0A> qual=
ity between this and the Rolls RM 65B?=0A> > =0A> > specs here for both=0A>=
 > =0A> > http://www.rolls.com/pdf/DS_RM65.pdf=0A> > =0A> > http://www.ales=
is.com/multimix8line=0A> > =0A> > anyone?=0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> >=
 =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> >> Is this the ideal small mixer we've=0A> >> al=
l been looking for?=0A> >>=0A> >> Alesis Multimix 8 Line. 1u mixer for loop=
ing.=0A> >> http://www.alesis.com/multimix8line.=0A> >>=0A> >>=0A> >> Featu=
re list and mini review.=0A> >>=0A> >> features=0A> >>=0A> >> All connectio=
ns on 1/4 unbalanced jacks unless=0A> otherwise=0A> >> noted.=0A> >> 8 ster=
eo/mono input channels,=A0 vol, balance,=0A> fx send=0A> >> *Stereo* FX sen=
d ( works with channel pan/balance,=0A> for each=0A> >> channel)=0A> >> ste=
reo FX return (with vol control)=0A> >> Channel 1 switches to a mono microp=
hone input,=0A> XLR, no=0A> >> phantom.=0A> >> Main outs on balanced jacks =
with master vol.=0A> >>=0A> >> ..and some additional connections on *stereo=
* 1/4=0A> in jacks=0A> >> Monitor out...after master vol=0A> >> Mix out ...=
before master vol=0A> >> Input to main bus.=0A> >> Input to fx bus.=0A> >> =
(those last 3 are officially for daisy chaining 2=0A> or more=0A> >> units)=
.=0A> >>=0A> >> Comments=0A> >> 1) stereo fx bus....that's very useful=0A> =
>> 2) seems well built, and sounds ok. Not noisy.=0A> >> 3) none of the con=
trols has a 0dB calibration,=0A> which makes=0A> >> set up that much harder=
. ( the cheap Behringer=0A> >>=A0 stuff often has this). Not really a=0A> p=
roblem.=0A> >> 4) the mic input sounds good enough for live work=0A> with g=
ood=0A> >> full range response. Not for studio though,=0A> there's=0A> >>=
=A0 a distinctive quality/color to the transient=0A> response, and=0A> >> n=
o 48V.=0A> >> 5) Mic pre-amp doesn't have an insert, and there's=0A> no way=
=0A> >> to make fx send pre fade. In simple terms=0A> >>=A0=A0=A0this means=
 you can't EQ the mic,=0A> or compress it.=0A> >> (and can't use my Vortex =
patches!)=0A> >> 6) the additional connectors=A0 available give=0A> some=0A=
> >> scope for=A0 extra routing, as long as you=0A> >>=A0 =A0 don't mind us=
ing Y-cables.=0A> >> 7) neither of the 2 additional outputs has an=0A> inde=
pendent=0A> >> vol control, (such as would be useful for=0A> >>=A0=A0=A0sen=
ding to Zoom H2 for=0A> recording)=0A> >> 8) there's no mixer schematic in =
the manual, it's=0A> printed=0A> >> on the top of the unit. Obviously=0A> >=
>=A0=A0=A0when you rack the unit you no=0A> longer have the=0A> >> schemati=
c which is the only way to see=0A> >>=A0=A0=A0the mixer features at a glanc=
e.=0A> >> 9) Balanced outs means that you only need a couple=0A> of jack=0A=
> >> to XLR converters and=0A> >>=A0=A0=A0you're able to say " I have my=0A=
> own DI box" to any=0A> >> sound engineer you encounter when playing live.=
=0A> >>=A0=A0=A0This reduces their anxiety about=0A> how to deal with=0A> >=
> your complex setup to zero.=0A> >> 10) no official way to make sends pre-=
fade, which=0A> would=0A> >> make the unit much more usable.=0A> >>=0A> >> =
Conclusion=0A> >> Very nearly a neat way to route your looping gear,=0A> an=
d add=0A> >> a microphone=0A> >> with just a 1u unit.=0A> >>=0A> >> If you =
don't need to use the mic-pre there's no=0A> real minus=0A> >> points to th=
e mixer,=0A> >> apart from lack of pre-fade sends.=0A> >> Sound quality is =
easily good enough for live=0A> work.=0A> >>=0A> >> Big disappointment is t=
he implementation of the=0A> mic input.=0A> >> There's no way to=0A> >> eq =
the mic, so unless you want a flat response,=0A> and have a=0A> >> dynamic =
mic that=0A> >> will give that you can't really this mixer. Using=0A> with =
an=0A> >> SM58, for instance, will=0A> >> just give you that unclear boxy s=
ound which is=0A> normally=0A> >> filtered out at the desk.=0A> >> So, prob=
ably ok for announcements that no-one=0A> understands.=0A> >> I'm ok, I hav=
e a Sennheiser 421 which works very=0A> well for=0A> >> feeding assorted=0A=
> >> acoustic sounds into the loops (on the fx send),=0A> but those=0A> >> =
aren't exactly=0A> >> cheap.=0A> >> Generally, anyone looking to add a mic =
to their=0A> setup ( or=0A> >> to remove a mic-pre=0A> >> to save weight/sp=
ace) is going to be frustrated.=0A> >>=0A> >> Further investigation.=0A> >>=
 It must be possible to mod this unit so that=0A> there's a way=0A> >> to e=
q( or Vortex)=A0 the mic.=0A> >> but no service sheet available.=0A> >>=0A>=
 >> I emailed Alesis tech support, US *and* UK and was=0A> sent a=0A> >> pa=
ir of automated responses=0A> >> promising a reply within 2 days....about a=
 week=0A> ago.=0A> >>=0A> >>=0A> >>=0A> >>=0A> >>=0A> >> andy butler=0A> >>=
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Thanks Luis... that exact thing was what i was worried about... right now i
have the cheap behringer 1U.. and i dont actually have any problems with it=
,
just that i was interested in being able to make my own signal chain, of
auxes and channels, and then save it to the box, so the software DIDNT have
to come too... live I dont take a computer...

But ease of use under stress, is very important to me, and right now, a
complete rewire of my gear is just as easy of moving 2 patch cables in my
patch bay so... maybe I stay with this lo tech, hissy, buzzy and distorted
set up... maybe i cant blame the hiss or distortion on the behringer anyway=
,
but the edps... and the operator of course!

M

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:03 AM, L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Mark,
> i had the Motu for a while and though the mixer is flexible i found it ve=
ry
> tedious manually though through the software is obviously the way to do
> it.Some things i just prefer to do manually!
> syncing mobious and the adrenalinn and sending program changes to it with
> my FCB1010 was however a nightmare,as soon as i started doing midi sync
> stuff i just could not get it to work right,my presonus works flawless an=
d
> is way cheaper!
> then again try it and tell us your results
> cheers
> Luis
> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>
>
> --- mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> schrieb am Mi, 14.10.2009:
>
> > Von: mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
> > Betreff: Re: AW: Alesis Multimix 8 Line. 1u mixer for looping.
> > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > Datum: Mittwoch, 14. Oktober 2009, 11:17
> > Further to this 1U discussion, has anyone
> > tried the Motu Traveller as a loopers mixer? It seems to be
> > very interesting... but i dont have one, but am thinking
> > about it ... alot....
> >
> > http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun05/articles/motutraveler.htm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:16 PM,
> > andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > hi Luis, (and loopers everywhere suffereing the "mixer
> > problem")
> >
> >
> >
> > I had a really good look at the Alesis 8Line.
> >
> >
> >
> > The chips used are the cheapest op amps available for
> > audio.
> >
> > The construction is good enough, but not better than
> > Behringer
> >
> > ( held together by self tap screws).
> >
> > The "tech support" on the website never replies
> > at all.
> >
> >
> >
> > As it's a line mixer though, the cheap chips only have
> > to do  1:1 amplification, which means the sound quality
> > doesn't suffer too much.
> >
> >
> >
> > I wouldn't consider it for studio use, but for live
> > work I think it's
> >
> > going to scrape by.
> >
> > As for noise levels...less than the EDPs.
> >
> >
> >
> > I was able to successfully mod the 8Line so that the mic
> > input, and
> >
> > one other, are sent to the FX send without going to the
> > main mix.
> >
> > That's a very easy hack to do which makes the mixer
> > loop friendly,
> >
> > just clipping a few wires. (plus of course the 3 days to
> > work out
> >
> > which wires to clip because Alesis won't provide
> > docs).
> >
> > I also added switches for that, which is a bit harder, but
> > allows a bit of flexibility.
> >
> > I reckon it wouldn't be hard to do other mods to the
> > 8Line, luike re=3Drouting
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't know the Rolls stuff at all, don't even
> > know if
> >
> > there's a European dealer.
> >
> > ...but I mailed their tech support to test them out on your
> > behalf ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyway, those 2 mixers have very different feature lists,
> >
> > surely that's the first consideration?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > andy butler
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > L.Angulo wrote:
> >
> >
> > hey Andy,
> >
> > Still investigating this.
> >
> > Which one do you think is better in terms of sound quality
> > between this and the Rolls RM 65B?
> >
> >
> >
> > specs here for both
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.rolls.com/pdf/DS_RM65.pdf
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.alesis.com/multimix8line
> >
> >
> >
> > anyone?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Is this the ideal small mixer we've
> >
> > all been looking for?
> >
> >
> >
> > Alesis Multimix 8 Line. 1u mixer for looping.
> >
> > http://www.alesis.com/multimix8line.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Feature list and mini review.
> >
> >
> >
> > features
> >
> >
> >
> > All connections on 1/4 unbalanced jacks unless otherwise
> >
> > noted.
> >
> > 8 stereo/mono input channels,  vol, balance, fx send
> >
> > *Stereo* FX send ( works with channel pan/balance, for
> > each
> >
> > channel)
> >
> > stereo FX return (with vol control)
> >
> > Channel 1 switches to a mono microphone input, XLR, no
> >
> > phantom.
> >
> > Main outs on balanced jacks with master vol.
> >
> >
> >
> > ..and some additional connections on *stereo* 1/4 in jacks
> >
> > Monitor out...after master vol
> >
> > Mix out ...before master vol
> >
> > Input to main bus.
> >
> > Input to fx bus.
> >
> > (those last 3 are officially for daisy chaining 2 or more
> >
> > units).
> >
> >
> >
> > Comments
> >
> > 1) stereo fx bus....that's very useful
> >
> > 2) seems well built, and sounds ok. Not noisy.
> >
> > 3) none of the controls has a 0dB calibration, which makes
> >
> > set up that much harder. ( the cheap Behringer
> >
> >  stuff often has this). Not really a problem.
> >
> > 4) the mic input sounds good enough for live work with
> > good
> >
> > full range response. Not for studio though, there's
> >
> >  a distinctive quality/color to the transient response,
> > and
> >
> > no 48V.
> >
> > 5) Mic pre-amp doesn't have an insert, and there's
> > no way
> >
> > to make fx send pre fade. In simple terms
> >
> >   this means you can't EQ the mic, or compress it.
> >
> > (and can't use my Vortex patches!)
> >
> > 6) the additional connectors  available give some
> >
> > scope for  extra routing, as long as you
> >
> >    don't mind using Y-cables.
> >
> > 7) neither of the 2 additional outputs has an independent
> >
> > vol control, (such as would be useful for
> >
> >   sending to Zoom H2 for recording)
> >
> > 8) there's no mixer schematic in the manual, it's
> > printed
> >
> > on the top of the unit. Obviously
> >
> >   when you rack the unit you no longer have the
> >
> > schematic which is the only way to see
> >
> >   the mixer features at a glance.
> >
> > 9) Balanced outs means that you only need a couple of jack
> >
> > to XLR converters and
> >
> >   you're able to say " I have my own DI box"
> > to any
> >
> > sound engineer you encounter when playing live.
> >
> >   This reduces their anxiety about how to deal with
> >
> > your complex setup to zero.
> >
> > 10) no official way to make sends pre-fade, which would
> >
> > make the unit much more usable.
> >
> >
> >
> > Conclusion
> >
> > Very nearly a neat way to route your looping gear, and add
> >
> > a microphone
> >
> > with just a 1u unit.
> >
> >
> >
> > If you don't need to use the mic-pre there's no
> > real minus
> >
> > points to the mixer,
> >
> > apart from lack of pre-fade sends.
> >
> > Sound quality is easily good enough for live work.
> >
> >
> >
> > Big disappointment is the implementation of the mic input.
> >
> > There's no way to
> >
> > eq the mic, so unless you want a flat response, and have a
> >
> > dynamic mic that
> >
> > will give that you can't really this mixer. Using with
> > an
> >
> > SM58, for instance, will
> >
> > just give you that unclear boxy sound which is normally
> >
> > filtered out at the desk.
> >
> > So, probably ok for announcements that no-one understands.
> >
> > I'm ok, I have a Sennheiser 421 which works very well
> > for
> >
> > feeding assorted
> >
> > acoustic sounds into the loops (on the fx send), but those
> >
> > aren't exactly
> >
> > cheap.
> >
> > Generally, anyone looking to add a mic to their setup ( or
> >
> > to remove a mic-pre
> >
> > to save weight/space) is going to be frustrated.
> >
> >
> >
> > Further investigation.
> >
> > It must be possible to mod this unit so that there's a
> > way
> >
> > to eq( or Vortex)  the mic.
> >
> > but no service sheet available.
> >
> >
> >
> > I emailed Alesis tech support, US *and* UK and was sent a
> >
> > pair of automated responses
> >
> > promising a reply within 2 days....about a week ago.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > andy butler
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Thanks Luis... that exact thing was what i was worried about... right now i=
 have the cheap behringer 1U.. and i dont actually have any problems with i=
t, just that i was interested in being able to make my own signal chain, of=
 auxes and channels, and then save it to the box, so the software DIDNT hav=
e to come too... live I dont take a computer...<br>



<br>But ease of use under stress, is very important to me, and right now, a=
 complete rewire of my gear is just as easy of moving 2 patch cables in my =
patch bay so... maybe I stay with this lo tech, hissy, buzzy and distorted =
set up... maybe i cant blame the hiss or distortion on the behringer anyway=
, but the edps... and the operator of course!<br>



<br>M<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:03 AM, L.=
Angulo <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com" target=
=3D"_blank">labaloops@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin=
: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">



Mark,<br>
i had the Motu for a while and though the mixer is flexible i found it very=
 tedious manually though through the software is obviously the way to do it=
.Some things i just prefer to do manually!<br>
syncing mobious and the adrenalinn and sending program changes to it with m=
y FCB1010 was however a nightmare,as soon as i started doing midi sync stuf=
f i just could not get it to work right,my presonus works flawless and is w=
ay cheaper!<br>




then again try it and tell us your results<br>
cheers<br>
Luis<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom" target=3D"_blank">www.mysp=
ace.com/luisangulocom</a><br>
<br>
<br>
--- mark francombe &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mark@markfrancombe.com" target=3D"=
_blank">mark@markfrancombe.com</a>&gt; schrieb am Mi, 14.10.2009:<br>
<br>
&gt; Von: mark francombe &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mark@markfrancombe.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">mark@markfrancombe.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Betreff: Re: AW: Alesis Multimix 8 Line. 1u mixer for looping.<br>
&gt; An: <a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" target=3D"_=
blank">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a><br>
&gt; Datum: Mittwoch, 14. Oktober 2009, 11:17<br>
<div>&gt; Further to this 1U discussion, has anyone<br>
</div>&gt; tried the Motu Traveller as a loopers mixer? It seems to be<br>
&gt; very interesting... but i dont have one, but am thinking<br>
&gt; about it ... alot....<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun05/articles/motutraveler=
.htm" target=3D"_blank">http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun05/articles/motu=
traveler.htm</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Mark<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:16 PM,<br>
&gt; andy butler &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk" target=3D"_b=
lank">akbutler@tiscali.co.uk</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; hi Luis, (and loopers everywhere suffereing the &quot;mixer<br>
&gt; problem&quot;)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I had a really good look at the Alesis 8Line.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The chips used are the cheapest op amps available for<br>
&gt; audio.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The construction is good enough, but not better than<br>
&gt; Behringer<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; ( held together by self tap screws).<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The &quot;tech support&quot; on the website never replies<br>
&gt; at all.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; As it&#39;s a line mixer though, the cheap chips only have<br>
&gt; to do =A01:1 amplification, which means the sound quality<br>
&gt; doesn&#39;t suffer too much.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I wouldn&#39;t consider it for studio use, but for live<br>
&gt; work I think it&#39;s<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; going to scrape by.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; As for noise levels...less than the EDPs.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I was able to successfully mod the 8Line so that the mic<br>
&gt; input, and<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; one other, are sent to the FX send without going to the<br>
&gt; main mix.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; That&#39;s a very easy hack to do which makes the mixer<br>
&gt; loop friendly,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; just clipping a few wires. (plus of course the 3 days to<br>
&gt; work out<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; which wires to clip because Alesis won&#39;t provide<br>
&gt; docs).<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I also added switches for that, which is a bit harder, but<br>
&gt; allows a bit of flexibility.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I reckon it wouldn&#39;t be hard to do other mods to the<br>
&gt; 8Line, luike re=3Drouting<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I don&#39;t know the Rolls stuff at all, don&#39;t even<br>
&gt; know if<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; there&#39;s a European dealer.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; ...but I mailed their tech support to test them out on your<br>
&gt; behalf ;-)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Anyway, those 2 mixers have very different feature lists,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; surely that&#39;s the first consideration?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; andy butler<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; L.Angulo wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; hey Andy,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Still investigating this.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Which one do you think is better in terms of sound quality<br>
&gt; between this and the Rolls RM 65B?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; specs here for both<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.rolls.com/pdf/DS_RM65.pdf" target=3D"_blank">htt=
p://www.rolls.com/pdf/DS_RM65.pdf</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.alesis.com/multimix8line" target=3D"_blank">http=
://www.alesis.com/multimix8line</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; anyone?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Is this the ideal small mixer we&#39;ve<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; all been looking for?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Alesis Multimix 8 Line. 1u mixer for looping.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.alesis.com/multimix8line" target=3D"_blank">http=
://www.alesis.com/multimix8line</a>.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Feature list and mini review.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; features<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; All connections on 1/4 unbalanced jacks unless otherwise<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; noted.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 8 stereo/mono input channels, =A0vol, balance, fx send<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; *Stereo* FX send ( works with channel pan/balance, for<br>
&gt; each<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; channel)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; stereo FX return (with vol control)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Channel 1 switches to a mono microphone input, XLR, no<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; phantom.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Main outs on balanced jacks with master vol.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; ..and some additional connections on *stereo* 1/4 in jacks<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Monitor out...after master vol<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Mix out ...before master vol<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Input to main bus.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Input to fx bus.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; (those last 3 are officially for daisy chaining 2 or more<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; units).<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Comments<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 1) stereo fx bus....that&#39;s very useful<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 2) seems well built, and sounds ok. Not noisy.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 3) none of the controls has a 0dB calibration, which makes<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; set up that much harder. ( the cheap Behringer<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; =A0stuff often has this). Not really a problem.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 4) the mic input sounds good enough for live work with<br>
&gt; good<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; full range response. Not for studio though, there&#39;s<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; =A0a distinctive quality/color to the transient response,<br>
&gt; and<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; no 48V.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 5) Mic pre-amp doesn&#39;t have an insert, and there&#39;s<br>
&gt; no way<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; to make fx send pre fade. In simple terms<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; =A0=A0this means you can&#39;t EQ the mic, or compress it.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; (and can&#39;t use my Vortex patches!)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 6) the additional connectors =A0available give some<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; scope for =A0extra routing, as long as you<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; =A0=A0 don&#39;t mind using Y-cables.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 7) neither of the 2 additional outputs has an independent<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; vol control, (such as would be useful for<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; =A0=A0sending to Zoom H2 for recording)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 8) there&#39;s no mixer schematic in the manual, it&#39;s<br>
&gt; printed<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; on the top of the unit. Obviously<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; =A0=A0when you rack the unit you no longer have the<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; schematic which is the only way to see<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; =A0=A0the mixer features at a glance.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 9) Balanced outs means that you only need a couple of jack<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; to XLR converters and<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; =A0=A0you&#39;re able to say &quot; I have my own DI box&quot;<br>
&gt; to any<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; sound engineer you encounter when playing live.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; =A0=A0This reduces their anxiety about how to deal with<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; your complex setup to zero.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 10) no official way to make sends pre-fade, which would<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; make the unit much more usable.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Conclusion<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Very nearly a neat way to route your looping gear, and add<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; a microphone<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; with just a 1u unit.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; If you don&#39;t need to use the mic-pre there&#39;s no<br>
&gt; real minus<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; points to the mixer,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; apart from lack of pre-fade sends.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Sound quality is easily good enough for live work.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Big disappointment is the implementation of the mic input.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; There&#39;s no way to<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; eq the mic, so unless you want a flat response, and have a<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; dynamic mic that<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; will give that you can&#39;t really this mixer. Using with<br>
&gt; an<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; SM58, for instance, will<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; just give you that unclear boxy sound which is normally<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; filtered out at the desk.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; So, probably ok for announcements that no-one understands.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I&#39;m ok, I have a Sennheiser 421 which works very well<br>
&gt; for<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; feeding assorted<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; acoustic sounds into the loops (on the fx send), but those<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; aren&#39;t exactly<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; cheap.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Generally, anyone looking to add a mic to their setup ( or<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; to remove a mic-pre<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; to save weight/space) is going to be frustrated.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Further investigation.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; It must be possible to mod this unit so that there&#39;s a<br>
&gt; way<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; to eq( or Vortex) =A0the mic.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; but no service sheet available.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I emailed Alesis tech support, US *and* UK and was sent a<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; pair of automated responses<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; promising a reply within 2 days....about a week ago.<br>
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hi Margaret,

I'd also suggest get a can of this:-

http://pressit.com/sprayfix-print-protection-fixative.html

gives a slightly nicer finish, but more importantly 
it protects those inkjet inks which are water soluable.

andy butler

margaret noble wrote:
> Thanks!!!! I ordered an Epson 800 Refurb and supplies today based on all 
> of your recs.
>  
> Margaret Noble - Sound Artist
> 
> Artist Website - http://margaretnoble.net/
> Sound is Art Magazine - http://margaretnoble.net/soundisart
> Upcoming Concert Series - http://freshsoundmusic.com
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* richard sales <richard@glasswing.com>
> *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> *Sent:* Wed, October 14, 2009 4:28:45 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Anyone use or own their own CD printer?
> 
> Yeah.  I use an Epson R800.  Works great.  Don't make 'em anymore.  Uses 
> lots of ink and ink is expensive, although you can get generic for much 
> less.  Generic is good if you're printing a lot... but I think it tends 
> to dry in its casing quicker than Epson brand.
> 
> Use Taiyo Yuden CDs.  The rest are fairly junky.  A good place to get 
> Taiyo Yuden in the US is Media Supply:
> 
> http://www.mediasupply.com/tyd80wpgrs-600-100.html
> 
> you can get either white, as these are, or printable silver.  Taiyo 
> Yuden SOUNDS better, better stereo image etc. 
> 
> Always master to gold Mitsui CDRs:
> 
> http://www.mediasupply.com/cd-r-media-mam-a.html
> 
> The best!  Plus, they last 100-300 years... handy if you happen to be 
> immortal. OR VERY young.
> 
> Copy to duplicator HD from gold CD.
> 
> Bought my CD duplicator at Diskmakers.  Still working after tons of CDs.
> 
> R
> richard sales
> www.glasswing.com <http://www.glasswing.com>
> www.richardsales.com <http://www.richardsales.com>
> www.hayleysales.com <http://www.hayleysales.com>
> 
> 
> On Oct 14, 2009, at 2:55 PM, David Coffin wrote:
> 
>> I've used an Epson all-in-one printer to do CDs; worked great, looked 
>> great, and I actually got a couple of hundred disks from the ink that 
>> came with the printer. I did optimize my graphic so it was 
>> ink-efficient, i.e., about 50% white space and not a lot of dark 
>> saturated colors, but I was pleased with how may disks I got.
>> I notice that the model I used (RX580) is no longer available, but my 
>> experience with Epsons has been that they generally get better and 
>> cheaper as they evolve.
>>
>> dpc
>>
>>
>> On Oct 14, 2009, at 1:34 PM, margaret noble wrote:
>>
>>> My class is producing an album and we want to print a nice graphic 
>>> design directly to disc. We were considering purchasing our own low 
>>> end cd printer. I was wondering if anyone has a home one that they 
>>> recommend (on the cheaper side).
>>>  
>>> Margaret Noble - Sound Artist
>>>
>>> Artist Website - http://margaretnoble.net/
>>> Sound is Art Magazine - http://margaretnoble.net/soundisart
>>> Upcoming Concert Series - http://freshsoundmusic.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
> 
> richard sales
> www.glasswing.com <http://www.glasswing.com>
> www.richardsales.com <http://www.richardsales.com>
> www.hayleysales.com <http://www.hayleysales.com>
> 
> 
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cool man,so what do you have on your rack?=0A=0Aright now i just have one E=
DP and the Rolls mixer in a 2 space rack but since i recently got a second =
EDP looks like my rack is going to get bigger(oh lord here we go again...)=
=0Afor the rack stuff i am thinking of getting a rackmount power supply to =
conect all the stuff,the drawback is that it takes a 1u. space,the way i ha=
ve everything plugged in the back right now plus stuffing the cables is  me=
ssy,i wish there was a halfrack because i dont need so many plugs...then ha=
ve another half rack reverb fx proccesor to have the main outs of the mixer=
 go through just for post proccesing or for a simple natural reverb trail w=
hen i stop the loops.=0Aon my pedalboard i have now a digitech Vocalist liv=
e 2,line 6 M9,boss OC-3 and the Adrenalinn III which i slave to the EDP and=
 also sends a midi clock to the M9 for delay syncronization.Pretty happy so=
 far,though id like to get a smaller midi controller than the FCB1010, like=
 the Liquid foot Jr.check it out:=0A=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DBwV=
y_nS87zo&feature=3Drelated=0A=0Ait would sit better on my pedalboard than t=
he gordius little giant,it seems it can control the EDP just as well.Then i=
 can  have it all on a pedalboard,but then i still have to find an AC DC po=
wer brick that would power all the stuff so i can get finally get rid of al=
l those anoying power supplies!=0A=0Awww.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A=
--- mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> schrieb am Do, 15.10.2009:=0A=
=0A> Von: mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>=0A> Betreff: Re: AW: Ales=
is Multimix 8 Line. 1u mixer for looping.=0A> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-d=
elight.com=0A> Datum: Donnerstag, 15. Oktober 2009, 0:11=0A> Thanks Luis...=
 that exact thing was what i=0A> was worried about... right now i have the =
cheap behringer=0A> 1U.. and i dont actually have any problems with it, jus=
t=0A> that i was interested in being able to make my own signal=0A> chain, =
of auxes and channels, and then save it to the box,=0A> so the software DID=
NT have to come too... live I dont take a=0A> computer...=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A=
> =0A> =0A> But ease of use under stress, is very important to me, and=0A> =
right now, a complete rewire of my gear is just as easy of=0A> moving 2 pat=
ch cables in my patch bay so... maybe I stay=0A> with this lo tech, hissy, =
buzzy and distorted set up...=0A> maybe i cant blame the hiss or distortion=
 on the behringer=0A> anyway, but the edps... and the operator of course!=
=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> M=0A> =0A> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:03 AM,=
=0A> L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com>=0A> wrote:=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Mark=
,=0A> =0A> i had the Motu for a while and though the mixer is flexible=0A> =
i found it very tedious manually though through the software=0A> is obvious=
ly the way to do it.Some things i just prefer to=0A> do manually!=0A> =0A> =
syncing mobious and the adrenalinn and sending program=0A> changes to it wi=
th my FCB1010 was however a nightmare,as=0A> soon as i started doing midi s=
ync stuff i just could not get=0A> it to work right,my presonus works flawl=
ess and is way=0A> cheaper!=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> then again try it =
and tell us your results=0A> =0A> cheers=0A> =0A> Luis=0A> =0A> www.myspace=
.com/luisangulocom=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> --- mark francombe <mark@ma=
rkfrancombe.com>=0A> schrieb am Mi, 14.10.2009:=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> > Von: m=
ark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>=0A> =0A> > Betreff: Re: AW: Alesis M=
ultimix 8 Line. 1u mixer for=0A> looping.=0A> =0A> > An: Loopers-Delight@lo=
opers-delight.com=0A> =0A> > Datum: Mittwoch, 14. Oktober 2009, 11:17=0A> =
=0A> > Further to this 1U discussion, has anyone=0A> =0A> > tried the Motu =
Traveller as a loopers mixer? It=0A> seems to be=0A> =0A> > very interestin=
g... but i dont have one, but am=0A> thinking=0A> =0A> > about it ... alot.=
...=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun05/articles/mo=
tutraveler.htm=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > Mark=
=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:16 PM,=0A> =0A> > andy but=
ler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>=0A> =0A> > wrote:=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =
=0A> > hi Luis, (and loopers everywhere suffereing the=0A> "mixer=0A> =0A> =
> problem")=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > I had a really good=
 look at the Alesis 8Line.=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > The =
chips used are the cheapest op amps available for=0A> =0A> > audio.=0A> =0A=
> >=0A> =0A> > The construction is good enough, but not better than=0A> =0A=
> > Behringer=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > ( held together by self tap screws).=0A=
> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > The "tech support" on the website never=0A> replies=0A>=
 =0A> > at all.=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > As it's a line =
mixer though, the cheap chips only=0A> have=0A> =0A> > to do =A01:1 amplifi=
cation, which means the sound=0A> quality=0A> =0A> > doesn't suffer too muc=
h.=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > I wouldn't consider it for s=
tudio use, but for=0A> live=0A> =0A> > work I think it's=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A=
> > going to scrape by.=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > As for noise levels...less th=
an the EDPs.=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > I was able to succ=
essfully mod the 8Line so that the=0A> mic=0A> =0A> > input, and=0A> =0A> >=
=0A> =0A> > one other, are sent to the FX send without going to=0A> the=0A>=
 =0A> > main mix.=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > That's a very easy hack to do which=
 makes the=0A> mixer=0A> =0A> > loop friendly,=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > just c=
lipping a few wires. (plus of course the 3 days=0A> to=0A> =0A> > work out=
=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > which wires to clip because Alesis won't provide=0A>=
 =0A> > docs).=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > I also added switches for that, which =
is a bit harder,=0A> but=0A> =0A> > allows a bit of flexibility.=0A> =0A> >=
=0A> =0A> > I reckon it wouldn't be hard to do other mods to=0A> the=0A> =
=0A> > 8Line, luike re=3Drouting=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> =
> I don't know the Rolls stuff at all, don't=0A> even=0A> =0A> > know if=0A=
> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > there's a European dealer.=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > ...but=
 I mailed their tech support to test them out on=0A> your=0A> =0A> > behalf=
 ;-)=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =
=0A> >=0A> =0A> > Anyway, those 2 mixers have very different feature=0A> li=
sts,=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > surely that's the first consideration?=0A> =0A> =
>=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > andy butler=0A> =
=0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A=
> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=
=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A>=
 >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =
=0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > L.Angulo wrote:=0A> =0A>=
 >=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > hey Andy,=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > Still investigatin=
g this.=0A> =0A> >=0A> =0A> > Which one do you think is better in terms of =
sound=0A> quality=0A> =0A> > between this and the Rolls RM 65B?=0A> =0A> >=
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hi Erdem,

get yourself a klarnet
(Turkish metal clarinet in G).
The low range is easy to play and can sound like a duduk(mey).
:-) and you're already in the best place in the world to get one.

as far as I know, *all* the Turkish instruments are pretty good.
If you want something really exotic, you could always
try blowing a ney like it was a trumpet.



If you want to source some useful percussion without
spending a lot of money then here's a selection of
the sort of thing usually available from "world music instrument sellers".
These may look a bit odd, but they can sound fantastic

1)
Goblet drum from Thailand.
Looks like this:-

http://www.thaimusic.net/glong-yao.htm

good deep sound, and mellow tone that blends well with other
instruments in the mix.

2)
Low pitched gongs,
the ones that look like this are fairly common

http://www.thaimusic.net/kong.jpg

3) and this one will guarantee you to record a track right away

http://www.oddmusic.com/gallery/hapi-drum.html


for fx (although this is vst)

this could save you a lot of money on ethnic instruments
(as the smaller ones are so much cheaper)

http://www.mathons.com/chopitch.htm

can make any drum/gong/xylophone sound lower pitched without quality loss.

andy butler



Erdem Helvacioglu wrote:
> hey,
>  
> i am producing a new world music record and will be composing for 2 new 
> feature movies. i would like to buy new exciting, weird, texturally 
> interesting instruments for film composing  and album production use. I 
> bought an Iranian santoor last week and it is such a great instrument. 
> Any suggestions and ideas about new instruments?
>  
> Also new suggestions for weird pedals and fx?
>  
> Thanks a lot and best regards.
>  
> Erdem Helvacioglu
> www.erdemhelvacioglu.com <http://www.erdemhelvacioglu.com>
> www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu <http://www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> "Wounded Breath" album is out now on Aucourant Records:
> www.aucourantrecords.com <http://www.aucourantrecords.com>
>  
> "wounded breath album will open you up to new experiences and
> allow you to explore worlds previously closed to you."
> Blogcritics, Richard Marcus
>  
> "wounded breath is an outstanding acousmatic record, period."
> Massimo Ricci, touching extremes

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Hi there Erdem,
Clay pot drums (UDU) are excellent for vibe, tan tan for long wide
bass sounds and there's a weird instrument called a fountain which you
can use a bow on...very weird
Lucky ou...good project!
Tim

2009/10/14 Erdem Helvacioglu <erdemhel@tnn.net>:
> hey,
>
> i am producing a new world music record and will be composing for 2 new
> feature movies. i would like to buy new exciting, weird, texturally
> interesting instruments for film composing=A0 and album production use. I
> bought an Iranian santoor last week and it is such a great instrument. An=
y
> suggestions and ideas about new instruments?
>
> Also new suggestions for weird pedals and fx?
>
> Thanks a lot and best regards.
>
> Erdem Helvacioglu
> www.erdemhelvacioglu.com
> www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> "Wounded Breath" album is out now on Aucourant Records:
> www.aucourantrecords.com
>
> "wounded breath album will open you up to new experiences and
> allow you to explore worlds previously closed to you."
> Blogcritics, Richard Marcus
>
> "wounded breath is an outstanding acousmatic record, period."
> Massimo Ricci, touching extremes

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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:24 AM, L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:

> cool man,so what do you have on your rack?
>


Dont you just LOVE being asked that question?

Well guitar (via an old GR30 gitar synth) is split (using patchbay) BEFORE
it goes into mixer.. 6 channels. 2 are thru a vortex, 2 are thru a fireworx
and 2 are the synth sounds.
Those inputs never change....
The send on the mixer is split into 3 (with a special cable, no
amplification of proper mixing) and sent to 3 loopers.. 2 EDP=B4s and a
repeater.

(theres my problem.. wasting the send on an almost permanent connection to
the loopers, where I could insert a reverb)

The output of one edp goes thru a MC303, this edp sets the midi
clock/brother synch for everything. The other edp goes thru a AirFX. and th=
e
repeater is left Un-affected.

BUT THEN.. all the loopers have been fed THRU my patch bay, exposing socket=
s
on the front. These sockets can be fed to anything, modules on my modular
synth, pitchshifter pedals, other peoples gear... computer... and THOSE
things are fed back to the final stereo pair on the mixer... so by pulling
out a couple of cables on the patchbay and shoving them in different holes,
i can change this "un-stable part" of my setup.. the normal input effects
and the looper efects DONT change, but I have ONE anarchy channel on the
mixer, that changes on my mood....

Oh.. on the floor, a FCB1010, for 1 edp and repeater, and one edp pedal, an=
d
the git synth... no stomp boxes, although ONE , a boss pitch shifter is in
the rack,as it always used...

So there..

you asked!

M



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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:24 AM, L.Angulo <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com">labaloops@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><=
div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border=
-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-lef=
t: 1ex;">

cool man,so what do you have on your rack?<br></blockquote><div><br><br>Don=
t you just LOVE being asked that question?<br><br>Well guitar (via an old G=
R30 gitar synth) is split (using patchbay) BEFORE it goes into mixer.. 6 ch=
annels. 2 are thru a vortex, 2 are thru a fireworx and 2 are the synth soun=
ds.<br>

Those inputs never change....<br>The send on the mixer is split into 3 (wit=
h a special cable, no amplification of proper mixing) and sent to 3 loopers=
.. 2 EDP=B4s and a repeater.<br><br>(theres my problem.. wasting the send o=
n an almost permanent connection to the loopers, where I could insert a rev=
erb)<br>

<br>The output of one edp goes thru a MC303, this edp sets the midi clock/b=
rother synch for everything. The other edp goes thru a AirFX. and the repea=
ter is left Un-affected. <br><br>BUT THEN.. all the loopers have been fed T=
HRU my patch bay, exposing sockets on the front. These sockets can be fed t=
o anything, modules on my modular synth, pitchshifter pedals, other peoples=
 gear... computer... and THOSE things are fed back to the final stereo pair=
 on the mixer... so by pulling out a couple of cables on the patchbay and s=
hoving them in different holes, i can change this &quot;un-stable part&quot=
; of my setup.. the normal input effects and the looper efects DONT change,=
 but I have ONE anarchy channel on the mixer, that changes on my mood....<b=
r>

<br>Oh.. on the floor, a FCB1010, for 1 edp and repeater, and one edp pedal=
, and the git synth... no stomp boxes, although ONE , a boss pitch shifter =
is in the rack,as it always used...<br><br>So there.. <br><br>you asked!<br=
>

<br>M<br><br><br>=A0<br></div></div>-- <br><a href=3D"http://www.markfranco=
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mark francombe wrote:

> The send on the mixer is split into 3 (with a special cable, no 
> amplification of proper mixing) and sent to 3 loopers.. 2 EDP´s and a 
> repeater.
> 

As the output on your mixer is buffered this is actually
a perfectly legit method of wiring.
(I'll be using a similar approach soon)


The nice thing about this setup is that it allows the loopers to resample each other.
(well, Mark knows that, but thought it should be mentioned)


I like the patch bay idea too.

andy

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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:10 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote=
:

> mark francombe wrote:
>
>  The send on the mixer is split into 3 (with a special cable, no
>> amplification of proper mixing) and sent to 3 loopers.. 2 EDP=B4s and a
>> repeater.
>>
>>
> As the output on your mixer is buffered this is actually
> a perfectly legit method of wiring.
> (I'll be using a similar approach soon)
>

Ahh good, no Idea what buffered means, but glad to know its ok...!!


> The nice thing about this setup is that it allows the loopers to resample
> each other.
> (well, Mark knows that, but thought it should be mentioned)
>

Yes, this is very fun... can be dangerous of course.. The one thing that
would improve this situation for me, would be to have a switch to send to
the loopers, instead of a knob... a simple flick of a switch knowing that
the level was set correctly (on the edp ) would be easier than having to
turn a send and UN-turn another send, to select one instrument over another=
,
or one looper INTO another for example... Its very fun for example to SUS
REPLACE bits from one loop into another looper, then RE multiply, to put
them out of step but NOT out of synch...


>
>
> I like the patch bay idea too.
>
> andy
>
>


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 style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.=
8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">

<div class=3D"im">mark francombe wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
The send on the mixer is split into 3 (with a special cable, no amplificati=
on of proper mixing) and sent to 3 loopers.. 2 EDP=B4s and a repeater.<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
As the output on your mixer is buffered this is actually<br>
a perfectly legit method of wiring.<br>
(I&#39;ll be using a similar approach soon)<br></blockquote><div><br>Ahh go=
od, no Idea what buffered means, but glad to know its ok...!!<br>=A0<br></d=
iv><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(20=
4, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">


The nice thing about this setup is that it allows the loopers to resample e=
ach other.<br>
(well, Mark knows that, but thought it should be mentioned)<br></blockquote=
><div><br>Yes, this is very fun... can be dangerous of course.. The one thi=
ng that would improve this situation for me, would be to have a switch to s=
end to the loopers, instead of a knob... a simple flick of a switch knowing=
 that the level was set correctly (on the edp ) would be easier than having=
 to turn a send and UN-turn another send, to select one instrument over ano=
ther, or one looper INTO another for example... Its very fun for example to=
 SUS REPLACE bits from one loop into another looper, then RE multiply, to p=
ut them out of step but NOT out of synch...<br>

=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid =
rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
<br>
I like the patch bay idea too.<br><font color=3D"#888888">
<br>
andy<br>
<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><a href=3D"http:=
//www.markfrancombe.com">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br><a href=3D"http://vim=
eo.com/user825094">http://vimeo.com/user825094</a><br><a href=3D"http://uk.=
youtube.com/user/markfrancombe">http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe</a=
><br>

<a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe">http://www.myspace.com/mar=
kfrancombe</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.looop.no/shop/catlabel.php?q=3DSync=
h%20Non%20Synch">http://www.looop.no/shop/catlabel.php?q=3DSynch%20Non%20Sy=
nch</a><br>



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The Epson R800 does exactly that, it has a clear photo finish that 
goes over all the ink.

Good choice for your needs unless you're wanting to hundreds at a time.

Paul Haslem
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At 04:09 AM 10/15/2009, you wrote:
>hi Margaret,
>
>I'd also suggest get a can of this:-
>
>http://pressit.com/sprayfix-print-protection-fixative.html
>
>gives a slightly nicer finish, but more importantly it protects 
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>
>andy butler

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I think the cheapest way to go, if you don't mind the
look is a mono color thermal printer...I've seen the ones
that do one disk at a time, pretty affordable.

AndyG.

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huh? I'm not recommending an alternate printer here.

it's an inkjet 
...so any contact with water(e.g. wet fingers) and the ink runs.




trust me ...the spray is good

andy


paul wrote:
> The Epson R800 does exactly that, it has a clear photo finish that goes 
> over all the ink.
> 
> Good choice for your needs unless you're wanting to hundreds at a time.
> 
> Paul Haslem
> Ontario, Canada
> www.dulcify.ca
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 04:09 AM 10/15/2009, you wrote:
>> hi Margaret,
>>
>> I'd also suggest get a can of this:-
>>
>> http://pressit.com/sprayfix-print-protection-fixative.html
>>
>> gives a slightly nicer finish, but more importantly it protects those 
>> inkjet inks which are water soluable.
>>
>> andy butler
> 
> 

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Really nice show last night and the whole thing was recorded. Clips at =
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/live-from-anno-domini

Bob, the music was really great but Ricks announcment of the LP2 had me =
going nuts!! I can't wait! Release by Christmas, is that correct?

best,

Jeff

http://themineisthemind.blogspot.com/
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  Great performances last night.  I can't wait for the rest of the =
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Hi,
I just uploaded the mp3 of my live performance at the y2kloopfest. Enjoy :)

http://euroloopfest.com/sjaak/podcast/Live_at_y2kloopfest_pt.1.mp3

-- 
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http://euroloopfest.com/

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On Oct 15, 2009, at 2:38 AM, andy butler wrote:
>
>
> 3) and this one will guarantee you to record a track right away
>
> http://www.oddmusic.com/gallery/hapi-drum.html
>
>

Cool Andy!  I didn't know anyone was making Hangs - or selling them to  
mere mortals -  any more.  If you get a good one, the Hang is quite  
inspirational.  If this is anything like that, great!  They're big fun

richard sales
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www.richardsales.com
www.hayleysales.com

>
>
> Erdem Helvacioglu wrote:
>> hey,
>> i am producing a new world music record and will be composing for 2  
>> new feature movies. i would like to buy new exciting, weird,  
>> texturally interesting instruments for film composing  and album  
>> production use. I bought an Iranian santoor last week and it is  
>> such a great instrument. Any suggestions and ideas about new  
>> instruments?
>> Also new suggestions for weird pedals and fx?
>> Thanks a lot and best regards.
>> Erdem Helvacioglu
>> www.erdemhelvacioglu.com <http://www.erdemhelvacioglu.com>
>> www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu <http://www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu 
>> >
>> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>> "Wounded Breath" album is out now on Aucourant Records:
>> www.aucourantrecords.com <http://www.aucourantrecords.com>
>> "wounded breath album will open you up to new experiences and
>> allow you to explore worlds previously closed to you."
>> Blogcritics, Richard Marcus
>> "wounded breath is an outstanding acousmatic record, period."
>> Massimo Ricci, touching extremes
>









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Just watching yesterday's video - great you got the video transmission
installed successfully, Rick (and "atomicmonk" - is that Brian?)!

Now I'm hoping: will there be video transmissions (and recordings) of
the other events as well? Pleeeze, pleeeze...

         Rainer

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Hang and Hapi seem to be different instruments and products. Indeed
the production of the Hang was halted some hears ago, as you can read
here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hang_%28musical_instrument%29

Hapi has a bit of the Hang vibe to its sound though, IMHO. Here is an
online Hang album:
http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/14943

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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www.perboysen.com



On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 6:53 PM, richard sales <richard@glasswing.com> wrot=
e:
>
> On Oct 15, 2009, at 2:38 AM, andy butler wrote:
>
> 3) and this one will guarantee you to record a track right away
>
> http://www.oddmusic.com/gallery/hapi-drum.html
>
>
>
> Cool Andy! =C2=A0I didn't know anyone was making Hangs - or selling them =
to mere
> mortals - =C2=A0any more. =C2=A0If you get a good one, the Hang is quite
> inspirational. =C2=A0If this is anything like that, great! =C2=A0They're =
big fun
> richard sales
> www.glasswing.com
> www.richardsales.com
> www.hayleysales.com
>
>
> Erdem Helvacioglu wrote:
>
> hey,
>
> i am producing a new world music record and will be composing for 2 new
> feature movies. i would like to buy new exciting, weird, texturally
> interesting instruments for film composing =C2=A0and album production use=
. I
> bought an Iranian santoor last week and it is such a great instrument. An=
y
> suggestions and ideas about new instruments?
>
> Also new suggestions for weird pedals and fx?
>
> Thanks a lot and best regards.
>
> Erdem Helvacioglu
>
> www.erdemhelvacioglu.com <http://www.erdemhelvacioglu.com>
>
> www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu <http://www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu=
>
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>
> "Wounded Breath" album is out now on Aucourant Records:
>
> www.aucourantrecords.com <http://www.aucourantrecords.com>
>
> "wounded breath album will open you up to new experiences and
>
> allow you to explore worlds previously closed to you."
>
> Blogcritics, Richard Marcus
>
> "wounded breath is an outstanding acousmatic record, period."
>
> Massimo Ricci, touching extremes
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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or a cheaper alternative


http://shop.ebay.co.uk/rockcreeksteeldrums/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340

Per Boysen wrote:
> Hang and Hapi seem to be different instruments and products. Indeed
> the production of the Hang was halted some hears ago, as you can read
> here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hang_%28musical_instrument%29
> 
> Hapi has a bit of the Hang vibe to its sound though, IMHO. Here is an
> online Hang album:
> http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/14943
> 
> Greetings from Sweden
> 
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 6:53 PM, richard sales <richard@glasswing.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 15, 2009, at 2:38 AM, andy butler wrote:
>>
>> 3) and this one will guarantee you to record a track right away
>>
>> http://www.oddmusic.com/gallery/hapi-drum.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Cool Andy!  I didn't know anyone was making Hangs - or selling them to mere
>> mortals -  any more.  If you get a good one, the Hang is quite
>> inspirational.  If this is anything like that, great!  They're big fun
>> richard sales
>> www.glasswing.com
>> www.richardsales.com
>> www.hayleysales.com
>>
>>
>> Erdem Helvacioglu wrote:
>>
>> hey,
>>
>> i am producing a new world music record and will be composing for 2 new
>> feature movies. i would like to buy new exciting, weird, texturally
>> interesting instruments for film composing  and album production use. I
>> bought an Iranian santoor last week and it is such a great instrument. Any
>> suggestions and ideas about new instruments?
>>
>> Also new suggestions for weird pedals and fx?
>>
>> Thanks a lot and best regards.
>>
>> Erdem Helvacioglu
>>
>> www.erdemhelvacioglu.com <http://www.erdemhelvacioglu.com>
>>
>> www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu <http://www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu>
>>
>> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>>
>> "Wounded Breath" album is out now on Aucourant Records:
>>
>> www.aucourantrecords.com <http://www.aucourantrecords.com>
>>
>> "wounded breath album will open you up to new experiences and
>>
>> allow you to explore worlds previously closed to you."
>>
>> Blogcritics, Richard Marcus
>>
>> "wounded breath is an outstanding acousmatic record, period."
>>
>> Massimo Ricci, touching extremes
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 

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Stone Document will be playing at Amazing Grapes in Pompton Lakes, NJ. Sat.
October 17th at 9:00pm.

Lotsa live looping and aural weirdness.

To see more details check out the Facebook page for this event:
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Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

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Thanks, Loren.

I'm soooo not going down the midi-path...


ted.
Enemies are good for self-definition. Werner Herzog

--- On Wed, 10/14/09, Loren Claypool <looper@theclaypools.com> wrote:

From: Loren Claypool <looper@theclaypools.com>
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Ted,
The Nanobass is a synth unit so it needs to be driven via MIDI, while the n=
anoverb and nanocompressor are effects units, thus the diff.
All the best,
Loren Claypoolgenre-indifferent instrumental guitar musicwww.lorenclaypool.=
com and links from there

On Oct 14, 2009, at 6:45 PM, ditch wrestler wrote:

I have a line on an Alesis nanobas unit - I already own a nanoverb and nano=
compressor.

The nanobass has a midi in and thru/out jacks but has 1/4" jacks for left &=
 right output; the 'verb and 'compressor just have 1/4" jacks for l/r input=
s and outs.

I'm a bassist and nothing else I own has a midi jack (other than my never-u=
sed RC20XL) and I want to spare myself having to learn another damn thing -=
 is there anyway I can use the nanobass unit with 1/4" cables?

And...has anybody used a nano unit powered by a Godlyke power-all?=A0 I've =
read that the nano unit have a funny milliamperage and need the alesis wall=
-wart to work properly...


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top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><br>Thanks, Loren.<br><br>I'm soooo not going=
 down the midi-path...<br><br><br>ted.<br>Enemies are good for self-definit=
ion. Werner Herzog<br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 10/14/09, Loren Claypool <i>&lt;lo=
oper@theclaypools.com&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style=3D"border-lef=
t: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>Fr=
om: Loren Claypool &lt;looper@theclaypools.com&gt;<br>Subject: Re: OT: dais=
y chaining alesis nano's &amp; power-supply<br>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-=
delight.com<br>Received: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 4:56 PM<br><br><div i=
d=3D"yiv727003032">Ted,<div><br></div><div>The Nanobass is a synth unit so =
it needs to be driven via MIDI, while the nanoverb and nanocompressor are e=
ffects units, thus the diff.</div><div><br></div><div><span class=3D"Apple-=
style-span" style=3D"font-size: 12px;"><div style=3D"word-wrap:
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ol</div><div>genre-indifferent instrumental guitar music</div><div><a rel=
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orenclaypool.com</a> and links from there</div></div><div><br></div></div><=
/span><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div>On Oct 14, 2009, at=
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"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><table border=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" cellspaci=
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ht: inherit; font-size-adjust: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; -x-system-fo=
nt: none;" valign=3D"top"><br>I have a line on an Alesis nanobas unit - I a=
lready own a nanoverb and nanocompressor.<br><br>The nanobass has a midi in=
 and thru/out jacks but has 1/4" jacks for left &amp; right output; the 've=
rb and
 'compressor just have 1/4" jacks for l/r inputs and outs.<br><br>I'm a bas=
sist and nothing else I own has a midi jack (other than my never-used RC20X=
L) and I want to spare myself having to learn another damn thing - is there=
 anyway I can use the nanobass unit with 1/4" cables?<br><br>And...has anyb=
ody used a nano unit powered by a Godlyke power-all?&nbsp; I've read that t=
he nano unit have a funny milliamperage and need the alesis wall-wart to wo=
rk properly...<br><br><br>ted.<br>Enemies are good for self-definition. Wer=
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On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:37 AM,  <mike@michaelplishka.com> wrote:
> http://www.designsojourn.com/sleek-multi-touch-interface-gets-your-hands-out-of-the-way/

Interesting presentation of multi touch technique. It seems oriented
towards using a hand though, which may be difficult for a performer
that plays physical instruments all the time. My own dream would be
two or three foot controlled X/Y controls. These could take the
physical form of a one point sensitive carpet (not multi touch) or
build on a joystick concept, maybe a foot plate rolling in two
dimensions on balls but connected to the base by a joystick sensor.
Since I need one foot to stand on I can only operate one at a time,
but at least have simultaneous access to two aspects of sound
processing.

I also think beams can be useful, because you could then use the
physical instrument you are playing to work the beams. The VG-99, as
an example of many other pieces of gear out there, has one beam but
you could easily imagine a system of a dozen or more horizontal beams
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play gear parameters in a more musical sense - by simply moving your
physical instrument in the air as you play it.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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yes, i don't know how useful this new system would be for looping, but i
think as a new way of interfacing with computers, it's genius

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:37 AM,  <mike@michaelplishka.com> wrote:
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yes, i don&#39;t know how useful this new system would be for looping, but =
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hey,

thanks a lot for your ideas and links.

i have just bought and tried some ideas on an Iranian santoor. such a =
great instrument. it is like having a prepared piano on your lap :) =
would be great with looping for sure. also try the bowed tanbur if you =
can. incredible harmonics... would be a great instrument to add for the =
final mix of a piece.

also a Kurdish percussion instrument erbane is highly recommended. like =
having the whole percussion set on 1 single instrument. weird...

best regards.

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2009/10/16 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>

>
> Since I need one foot to stand on I can only operate one at a time,
> but at least have simultaneous access to two aspects of sound
> processing.
>
> ... you can use ropes to hang from the ceiling :-) so then it'll be
possible to use both feet ... ha,ha


> I also think beams can be useful, because you could then use the
> physical instrument you are playing to work the beams. The VG-99, as
> an example of many other pieces of gear out there, has one beam but
> you could easily imagine a system of a dozen or more horizontal beams
> from on a row, on the floor beaming upwards or in the ceiling beaming
> downwards. I think about that as a light harp and you could use it to
> play gear parameters in a more musical sense - by simply moving your
> physical instrument in the air as you play it.
>
>
... and not for playing brain-drilling melodies as j.m. jarre did in the
eighties.


> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
>
>


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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/10/16 Per Boysen <span dir=3D"ltr">=
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<div class=3D"im"><br></div>
Since I need one foot to stand on I can only operate one at a time,<br>
but at least have simultaneous access to two aspects of sound<br>
processing.<br>
<br></blockquote><div>... you can use ropes to hang from the ceiling :-) so=
 then it&#39;ll be possible to use both feet ... ha,ha</div><div>=A0</div><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
 #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">

I also think beams can be useful, because you could then use the<br>
physical instrument you are playing to work the beams. The VG-99, as<br>
an example of many other pieces of gear out there, has one beam but<br>
you could easily imagine a system of a dozen or more horizontal beams<br>
from on a row, on the floor beaming upwards or in the ceiling beaming<br>
downwards. I think about that as a light harp and you could use it to<br>
play gear parameters in a more musical sense - by simply moving your<br>
physical instrument in the air as you play it.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>... and not for playing brain-drilling=
 melodies as j.m. jarre did in the eighties.</div><div>=A0</div><blockquote=
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Greetings from Sweden<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Per Boysen<br>
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<a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com" target=3D"_blank">www.perboysen.com</a=
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<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Raul Bonell at B=
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m">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
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beware if crediting the kurdish origins of the erbane on the final release
... this may be an issue in turkey ...

2009/10/16 Erdem Helvacioglu <erdemhel@tnn.net>

>  hey,
>
> thanks a lot for your ideas and links.
>
> i have just bought and tried some ideas on an Iranian santoor. such a great
> instrument. it is like having a prepared piano on your lap :) would be great
> with looping for sure. also try the bowed tanbur if you can. incredible
> harmonics... would be a great instrument to add for the final mix of a
> piece.
>
> also a Kurdish percussion instrument erbane is highly recommended. like
> having the whole percussion set on 1 single instrument. weird...
>
> best regards.
>
> Erdem Helvacioglu
> www.erdemhelvacioglu.com
> www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> "Wounded Breath" album is out now on Aucourant Records:
> www.aucourantrecords.com
>
> "wounded breath album will open you up to new experiences and
> allow you to explore worlds previously closed to you."
> Blogcritics, Richard Marcus
>
> "wounded breath is an outstanding acousmatic record, period."
> Massimo Ricci, touching extremes
>



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beware if crediting the kurdish origins of the erbane on the final release =
... this may be an issue in turkey ...=A0<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
>2009/10/16 Erdem Helvacioglu <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:erdem=
hel@tnn.net">erdemhel@tnn.net</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">





<div bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">
<div>hey,</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>thanks a lot for your ideas and links.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>i have just bought and tried some ideas on an Iranian santoor. such a =
great=20
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t=20
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piece.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>also a Kurdish percussion instrument erbane is highly recommended. lik=
e=20
having the whole percussion set on 1 single instrument. weird...</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>best regards.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div><div class=3D"im">Erdem Helvacioglu<br><a href=3D"http://www.erdemhelv=
acioglu.com" target=3D"_blank">www.erdemhelvacioglu.com</a><br></div><div c=
lass=3D"im"><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu" target=3D"_=
blank">www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu</a><br>
*=20
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *<br>&quot;Wounded Breath&quot; album i=
s out now on=20
Aucourant Records:<br><a href=3D"http://www.aucourantrecords.com" target=3D=
"_blank">www.aucourantrecords.com</a></div></div>
<div>=A0</div><div class=3D"im">
<div>&quot;wounded breath album will open you up to new experiences and <br=
>allow you=20
to explore worlds previously closed to you.&quot;<br>Blogcritics, Richard=
=20
Marcus</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>&quot;wounded breath is an outstanding acousmatic record, period.&quot=
;<br>Massimo=20
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</div></div>
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Rainer Straschill schrieb:
>> http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-smallbiz-studios13-2009oct13,0,3516140.story
>
> Taking this development (and the development of computer technology in
> general) into account, it actually should have been possible to see
> that the "studio days" would end...soon.

Good studios have always been about two things:
Architecture (the room to record in) and people (the engineers, coffee
machine and stuff...).
It has never been about equipment, though in their advertisement all
studios list equipment as main argument...

As the latter changed a lot and the two important ones are still the
same as 70 years ago, I don't see any sign for change...

Of course this is only true for the good studios, in the old days a bad 
studio (shitty acoustics, amateurs as engineers) could still survive...

Stefan

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L.Angulo schrieb:
> hi gang,
> im still frustrated looking for a power brick to power all these pedals,but i cant seem to find one
> 
> i have the following: 
> 
> Line 6 DL4 - 9V AC
> Digitech vocalist live 2 - 9 Volt AC, 1300 mA
> Boss OC3 9V DC
> Adrenalinn - 9V DC 500mA  center pin positive
> id also like to add as well the 
> Eventide timefactor - 9 Volt DC 1200 mA Middle contact (+), outside (-)

Try to get one of the stronger universal switching power supplies meant
to power laptops. You should get them for around 70 Euros. They come
with a bunch of adapters.
Then buy additional adapters and solder them to the same voltage output
cable. But be careful as some of your gear has reversed polarity, but
they all want 9 V. Most machines which come with an AC power supply are
happy with a DC input, polarity is not important in this case.
I did that successfully for all of my Midi fader boxes. They do not
drain so much current though.
I also did it with Peavy gear which seems to have a (very heavy)
standard 18V AC supply for anything they build. Some of that equipment
is even happy with 12V DC...
The weight and space of my supply needs dropped dramatically, as
switching power supplies are not heavy at all...

If in doubt try to get hold of schematics of the devices. I never broke
anything with that method, but I wouldn't want to garanty it...

Stefan

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Thining out a little bit. More to come but for now:

a. - Arion SAD1 Stereo Analog delay $40 -  Good grungy analog delay. unique.

b.Vintage Ibanez PT-909 Phase Tone- $100 . NOT a reissue, original square
button series.

c.  Boss AutoWah AW-2. $55 Like new in box.

d. Boss Super Phaser PH2. $40 Japan. some nicks, works great

e. DOD FX75-B Stereo Flanger.  $20 rough but working fine.

f. DOD VINTAGE Phasor FX20. $50 Super clean original FX20. Leslie fever!

g. Nobels TRx tremelo - $25 four waveforms! Four controls. Cool ass tremelo

h. Line 6 DL4 delay modeler. $165 great condition . If  I had only one
delay pedal at all, this would be it. amazing features and tone plus EASY
to use looper.

i. - Line6 FM4 Filter/guitar synth modeler. $160 Great condition.  Does
all sorts of autowah and filtering as well as mono guitar synth sounds.

j. - Korg G5 Synth Bass Processor $225 Awesome 90s Silver floor unit.
selelctable waveforms including voice. Cutoff and resonance knobs, etc.
VERY sweet for guitar and keys too.

k. Ibanez Weeping Demon wah $65 - Like new in box w/all papers. Extremely
versitle wah with settings and options galore.

I think prices are fair but will listen to offers specially if buying more
than one or picking up (phila pa). Email for more info on individual
pieces or any questions.

Pictures up at: http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/Salez/FS.htm
The pedals are Item#4)

I accept paypal and USPS MOs. Buyer pays shipping (from phila pa) and PP
fees. I pack well for free.


trades possible for esoteric weird sound things and ModcanA format or
possibly frac modules.

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Thining out a little bit. More to come but for now:

a. - Arion SAD1 Stereo Analog delay $40 -  Good grungy analog delay. unique.

b.Vintage Ibanez PT-909 Phase Tone- $100 . NOT a reissue, original square
button series.

c.  Boss AutoWah AW-2. $55 Like new in box.

d. Boss Super Phaser PH2. $40 Japan. some nicks, works great

e. DOD FX75-B Stereo Flanger.  $20 rough but working fine.

f. DOD VINTAGE Phasor FX20. $50 Super clean original FX20. Leslie fever!

g. Nobels TRx tremelo - $25 four waveforms! Four controls. Cool ass tremelo

h. Line 6 DL4 delay modeler. $165 great condition . If  I had only one
delay pedal at all, this would be it. amazing features and tone plus EASY
to use looper.

i. - Line6 FM4 Filter/guitar synth modeler. $160 Great condition.  Does
all sorts of autowah and filtering as well as mono guitar synth sounds.

j. - Korg G5 Synth Bass Processor $225 Awesome 90s Silver floor unit.
selelctable waveforms including voice. Cutoff and resonance knobs, etc.
VERY sweet for guitar and keys too.

k. Ibanez Weeping Demon wah $65 - Like new in box w/all papers. Extremely
versitle wah with settings and options galore.

I think prices are fair but will listen to offers specially if buying more
than one or picking up (phila pa). Email for more info on individual
pieces or any questions.

Pictures up at: http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/Salez/FS.htm
The pedals are Item#4)

I accept paypal and USPS MOs. Buyer pays shipping (from phila pa) and PP
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trades possible for esoteric weird sound things and ModcanA format or
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Just to let all of you know, I am looping in a theatre piece by Oscar
Wild pretty well known for musicians: Salomé...
The première just went well and it will be played till 18th of October
at the Kammertheater in Stuttgart...
Interesting work, not the first in theatre for me, but the first in a
big house. Very different to my improvising world but fun as well...

Most of the shows are sold out as far as I know, but I might be able to
do something if a looper wants to get in...;-)

Stefan

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On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:
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> ... you can use ropes to hang from the ceiling :-) so then it'll be possible
> to use both feet ... ha,ha

This weeks best post!!! :-))

Reminds me of a concert I saw with an "experimental trio". When we
(the audience) entered the theater ther stage under us was empty. Only
three spotlights partly lightning up the percussion cage, the guitar
amp and the reeds stand. Three mysterious lines emanated from above
the stage and stretched upwards back over the heads of the audience to
disappear into the dark rear area of the venue. Doors were closed. All
silence. Nothing happened. Then a soft tingling and whining sound was
heard from above. Focused spotlights lit up to create three light
tunnels along the lines up there. On each line we could now see a tiny
voodoo doll coming rolling downwards towards the stage. Very slowly,
as each doll were hanging from a wheel balancing on its line. As all
three dolls had made it to the stage three musicians came out to start
banging the instruments - and they LOOKED EXACTLY AS REAL ALIVE COPIES
OF THE DOLLS!

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Spectrasonics Omnisphere has all the mentioned instruments. Bowed,  
plucked, burning etc. My favorite new tone comes from layering my  
acoustic guitar with ebowed piano. Absolutely beautiful.
On Oct 16, 2009, at 7:33 AM, Raul Bonell wrote:

> beware if crediting the kurdish origins of the erbane on the final  
> release ... this may be an issue in turkey ...
>
> 2009/10/16 Erdem Helvacioglu <erdemhel@tnn.net>
> hey,
>
> thanks a lot for your ideas and links.
>
> i have just bought and tried some ideas on an Iranian santoor. such  
> a great instrument. it is like having a prepared piano on your  
> lap :) would be great with looping for sure. also try the bowed  
> tanbur if you can. incredible harmonics... would be a great  
> instrument to add for the final mix of a piece.
>
> also a Kurdish percussion instrument erbane is highly recommended.  
> like having the whole percussion set on 1 single instrument. weird...
>
> best regards.
>
> Erdem Helvacioglu
> www.erdemhelvacioglu.com
> www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> "Wounded Breath" album is out now on Aucourant Records:
> www.aucourantrecords.com
>
> "wounded breath album will open you up to new experiences and
> allow you to explore worlds previously closed to you."
> Blogcritics, Richard Marcus
>
> "wounded breath is an outstanding acousmatic record, period."
> Massimo Ricci, touching extremes
>
>
>
> -- 
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Spectrasonics Omnisphere has all the mentioned instruments. Bowed, =
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bgcolor=3D"#ffffff"> <div>hey,</div> <div>=A0</div> <div>thanks a lot =
for your ideas and links.</div> <div>=A0</div> <div>i have just bought =
and tried some ideas on an Iranian santoor. such a great instrument. it =
is like having a prepared piano on your lap :) would be great with =
looping for sure. also try the bowed tanbur if you can. incredible =
harmonics... would be a great instrument to add for the final mix of a =
piece.</div> <div>=A0</div> <div>also a Kurdish percussion instrument =
erbane is highly recommended. like having the whole percussion set on 1 =
single instrument. weird...</div> <div>=A0</div> <div>best =
regards.</div> <div>=A0</div> <div><div class=3D"im">Erdem =
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* * * * * * * * * * * * *<br>"Wounded Breath" album is out now on =
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Stefan Tiedje wrote:
>  Most machines which come with an AC power supply are
> happy with a DC input, polarity is not important in this case.

and those that aren't burn out?

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Good for you - I've done quite a bit of music for the theatre myself in the=
 past  - at least the audience shuts up for the performance...

Good luck :-)

Gareth

> Date: Fri=2C 16 Oct 2009 14:05:55 +0200
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richard sales wrote:
> Yeah.  I use an Epson R800.  Works great.  Don't make 'em anymore.  Uses 
> lots of ink and ink is expensive, although you can get generic for much 
> less.  Generic is good if you're printing a lot... but I think it tends 
> to dry in its casing quicker than Epson brand.
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> Use Taiyo Yuden CDs.  The rest are fairly junky.  A good place to get 
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> Always master to gold Mitsui CDRs:
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> The best!  Plus, they last 100-300 years... 

Errr... can my great-great-great-great grandchildren quote you on this? 
(Always assuming they still have the technology to read them of 
course....!)   :)
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> you can get either white, as these are, or printable silver.  Taiyo
> Yuden SOUNDS better, better stereo image etc.

They SOUND better? Meaning that even if test CD one (Taiyo Yuden) and
test CD two (not Taiyo Yuden) both read error-free, test CD one has
better stereo image?
How does that work?

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You also have to coat the edges of the CD with a green marker.
Gives it more "air".

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> you can get either white, as these are, or printable silver.  Taiyo
> Yuden SOUNDS better, better stereo image etc.

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Sounds better?  TY are generally recommended as better quality, longer
lasting, but sound better?  Look for Made in Japan, not Made in Taiwan
disks.

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com
> wrote:

> > you can get either white, as these are, or printable silver.  Taiyo
> > Yuden SOUNDS better, better stereo image etc.
>
> They SOUND better? Meaning that even if test CD one (Taiyo Yuden) and
> test CD two (not Taiyo Yuden) both read error-free, test CD one has
> better stereo image?
> How does that work?
>
>


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Sounds better?=A0 TY are generally recommended as better quality, longer la=
sting, but sound better?=A0 Look for Made in Japan, not Made in Taiwan disk=
s.=A0 <br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:39 PM, R=
ainer Straschill <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:moinsound@googlema=
il.com">moinsound@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=3D"im"=
>&gt; you can get either white, as these are, or printable silver. =A0Taiyo=
<br>

&gt; Yuden SOUNDS better, better stereo image etc.<br>
<br>
</div>They SOUND better? Meaning that even if test CD one (Taiyo Yuden) and=
<br>
test CD two (not Taiyo Yuden) both read error-free, test CD one has<br>
better stereo image?<br>
How does that work?<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>-=3D=3D-=3D-=3D- <br>To=
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No, blue marker is for airy sound. Green marking will just make it
sound like bluegrass.

Per


On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> wr=
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> You also have to coat the edges of the CD with a green marker.
> Gives it more "air".
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rainer Straschill [mailto:moinsound@googlemail.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 2:40 PM
> To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
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>> you can get either white, as these are, or printable silver. =C2=A0Taiyo
>> Yuden SOUNDS better, better stereo image etc.
>
> They SOUND better? Meaning that even if test CD one (Taiyo Yuden) and
> test CD two (not Taiyo Yuden) both read error-free, test CD one has
> better stereo image?
> How does that work?
>
>

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I think that the black cdrs are "warmer" sounding.


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You also have to coat the edges of the CD with a green marker.
Gives it more "air".

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> you can get either white, as these are, or printable silver.  Taiyo
> Yuden SOUNDS better, better stereo image etc.

They SOUND better? Meaning that even if test CD one (Taiyo Yuden) and
test CD two (not Taiyo Yuden) both read error-free, test CD one has
better stereo image?
How does that work?


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> tape machines were not used (too noisy), so they recorded right to vinyl.

Seriously, if I was working with a really good ensemble, and was
recording audiophile, I would strongly consider recording directly to
a metal master.

        Rainer

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for god's sake!, want you to agree once and for all! i was about to order a
1000 pile of green ones and now jeff's says blacks are the ones...  :-)))))

2009/10/16 Jeff Duke <jeff_d@embarqmail.com>

> I think that the black cdrs are "warmer" sounding.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Larson" <
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> You also have to coat the edges of the CD with a green marker.
> Gives it more "air".
>
> -----Original Message-----
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>  you can get either white, as these are, or printable silver.  Taiyo
>> Yuden SOUNDS better, better stereo image etc.
>>
>
> They SOUND better? Meaning that even if test CD one (Taiyo Yuden) and
> test CD two (not Taiyo Yuden) both read error-free, test CD one has
> better stereo image?
> How does that work?
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>
>


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for god&#39;s sake!, want you to agree once and for all! i was about to ord=
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 =A0:-)))))<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/10/16 Jeff Duke <span di=
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m</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">I think that the black cdrs are &quot;warme=
r&quot; sounding.<br>
<br>
<br>
----- Original Message ----- From: &quot;Jeff Larson&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"m=
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You also have to coat the edges of the CD with a green marker.<br>
Gives it more &quot;air&quot;.<br>
<br>
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you can get either white, as these are, or printable silver. =A0Taiyo<br>
Yuden SOUNDS better, better stereo image etc.<br>
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<br>
They SOUND better? Meaning that even if test CD one (Taiyo Yuden) and<br>
test CD two (not Taiyo Yuden) both read error-free, test CD one has<br>
better stereo image?<br>
How does that work?<br>
<br>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Raul Bonell=
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THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH:                      http://soundscapes.us/amfm
=======================================================================
My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, October 17 at 6 am
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Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs in Phase 1.

I alternate hosting the show with Bob. When I am at the helm, the show
features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an
eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive
Rock.

Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at
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On Oct 17, 2009, at 10:15 AM, Bill Fox wrote:

> THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH:                      http://soundscapes.us/ 
> amfm
> ====================================================================== 
> =
> My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, October 17 at 6 am
> (EDT/GMT-4:00/ITZ-5:00).  I will continue the special on Sequences
> Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs in Phase 1.
>
> I alternate hosting the show with Bob. When I am at the helm, the show
> features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an
> eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive
> Rock.
>
> Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at
> http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/WMUH.ram
>

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Raul said:
> i was about to order a 1000 pile of green ones and now jeff's says blacks are the ones

This actually has to do with the business area you are in. Blacks are
the ones for music or art in general - you may have noticed that there
isn't anything like "Green Metal" or "Greensploitation". On the other
hand, for any IT-related businesses, it's green markers 'cause of
"green IT".

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Nothing seems to be getting through.  Sorry for testing in public.

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...happening after I did recover from the vsvfestival, on in like 20
minutes at http://fwd4.me/0Aa

See you there!

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ps: I'm gonna play synths again - people who've seen/heard me at
y2k6loopfest or Finloop 2008 or on the "Weird Specialist" album
(http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/16603) and liked that will enjoy
today's session more than the last few...

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Had a ton of requests (thanks) and a lot is sold. Her's what's left with
Some new items added including a 60s fuzz and vintage compressor.

A.   Boss AutoWah AW-2. $55 Like new in box.

B.  Line6 FM4 Filter/guitar synth modeler. $160 Great condition.  Does all
sorts of autowah and filtering as well as mono guitar synth sounds.

C.  Korg G5 Synth Bass Processor $225 Awesome 90s Silver floor unit.
selelctable waveforms including voice. Cutoff and resonance knobs, etc.
VERY sweet for guitar and keys too.

D. Ibanez Weeping Demon wah $65 - Like new in box w/all papers. Extremely
versitle wah with settings and options galore.

E.  Ibanez AFL autofilter - $75 - unique filter sound for an autowah
(Jerry Garcia favored this series) LP/BP and *sliders* for control plus
lo/hi settings for ultra flexibilty. In GREAT shape.

F. Vintage MXR Dynacomp (block logo) - $110 - Not reissue, the real deal.

G. Heathkit 60s FuZZZ!  $225.  Controls are "distortion" Boost" as well as
tw  way toggle to add more bass to the signal. Sweet 60s germanium hand
wired goodness.

H. Boss CS-2 Compressor   - $75- old standby, MIJ OOP. good shape.

I think prices are fair but will listen to offers specially if buying more
than one or picking up (phila pa). Email for more info on individual
pieces or any questions.

Pictures up at: http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/Salez/FS.htm
The pedals are Item#4)

I accept paypal and USPS MOs. Buyer pays shipping (from phila pa) and PP
fees. I pack well for free.

trades possible for esoteric weird sound things and ModcanA format or
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Hello all,

I was in Guitar Center today and saw the new (to me) Line 6 M9 pedal.  
My 3 year old was going to let me try it, so has anyone on this list  
played one? It looks kind of cool.

Also, whats this I hear about a LP2? That sounds cool, what are some  
of its features? Is it on the web yet?

Regards,
Chris

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The M9 looks cool but i'm more impressed by the new line 6 m6 - its  
like a super DL4 with an undo and all the effects from the other  
modelers - looks like a one stop fix for looping/fx for me possibly.

Matt Stevens
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On 17 Oct 2009, at 19:54, Chris Sewell wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I was in Guitar Center today and saw the new (to me) Line 6 M9  
> pedal. My 3 year old was going to let me try it, so has anyone on  
> this list played one? It looks kind of cool.
>
> Also, whats this I hear about a LP2? That sounds cool, what are  
> some of its features? Is it on the web yet?
>
> Regards,
> Chris
>


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high,

I remember reading on this list about a new pedal very well suited for vocalists, with lots of on the fly pedal controlled possiblities. Does anyone remember which pedal I am talking about.

Antony



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Hello all,

I was in Guitar Center today and saw the new (to me) Line 6 M9 pedal. My 3 year old was going to let me try it, so has anyone on this list played one? It looks kind of cool.

Also, whats this I hear about a LP2? That sounds cool, what are some of its features? Is it on the web yet?

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in how many hours time? I'm in the UK?

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On 17 Oct 2009, at 20:29, David Gans wrote:

>
>
> There will be looping online tonight!
>
> My house concert at Kennesaw GA will be webcast - tonight (Sat  
> 10/17) at 9 pm eastern:
>
> <http://www.ustream.tv/channel/music-room-at-carillon>
>
>
>
> David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
> Web site: http://www.dgans.com
> Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans
>
>
>
>


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Damn! I will be working. I will catch the replay.

Jeff


----- Original Message -----=20
  From: David Gans=20
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  Cc: David Gans=20
  Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 3:29 PM
  Subject: Re: Looper pedals






  There will be looping online tonight!=20

  My house concert at Kennesaw GA will be webcast - tonight (Sat 10/17) =
at 9 pm eastern:
   =20
  <http://www.ustream.tv/channel/music-room-at-carillon>






  David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
  Web site: http://www.dgans.com
  Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans








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  =
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That's 4 PM GMT I think :)


----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Matt Stevens=20
  To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
  Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 3:32 PM
  Subject: Re: Looper pedals


  in how many hours time? I'm in the UK?


  Matt Stevens
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  mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com







  On 17 Oct 2009, at 20:29, David Gans wrote:






    There will be looping online tonight!=20

    My house concert at Kennesaw GA will be webcast - tonight (Sat =
10/17) at 9 pm eastern:
     =20
    <http://www.ustream.tv/channel/music-room-at-carillon>






    David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
    Web site: http://www.dgans.com
    Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans










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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>That's 4 PM GMT I think :)</FONT></DIV>
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pedals</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>in how many hours time? I'm in the UK?
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monospace"><BR>My=20
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at 9 pm=20
    eastern:<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&lt;<A=20
    =
href=3D"http://www.ustream.tv/channel/music-room-at-carillon">http://www.=
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    <DIV>Music: <A=20
    =
href=3D"http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans">http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans<=
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Sorry, yes its the m6. About the size of the DL 4.
On Oct 17, 2009, at 3:16 PM, Matt Stevens wrote:

> The M9 looks cool but i'm more impressed by the new line 6 m6 - its  
> like a super DL4 with an undo and all the effects from the other  
> modelers - looks like a one stop fix for looping/fx for me possibly.
>
> Matt Stevens
> www.mattstevensguitar.com
> mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com
>
>
>
>
> On 17 Oct 2009, at 19:54, Chris Sewell wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I was in Guitar Center today and saw the new (to me) Line 6 M9  
>> pedal. My 3 year old was going to let me try it, so has anyone on  
>> this list played one? It looks kind of cool.
>>
>> Also, whats this I hear about a LP2? That sounds cool, what are  
>> some of its features? Is it on the web yet?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chris
>>
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at 19:54, Chris Sewell wrote:</div><br =
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cool.</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
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i can't find the M6, only the M13 and M9, got a link?
http://line6.com/m9/

J
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  Sorry, yes its the m6. About the size of the DL 4.

  On Oct 17, 2009, at 3:16 PM, Matt Stevens wrote:


    The M9 looks cool but i'm more impressed by the new line 6 m6 - its =
like a super DL4 with an undo and all the effects from the other =
modelers - looks like a one stop fix for looping/fx for me possibly.


    Matt Stevens
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    mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com







    On 17 Oct 2009, at 19:54, Chris Sewell wrote:


      Hello all,


      I was in Guitar Center today and saw the new (to me) Line 6 M9 =
pedal. My 3 year old was going to let me try it, so has anyone on this =
list played one? It looks kind of cool.


      Also, whats this I hear about a LP2? That sounds cool, what are =
some of its features? Is it on the web yet?


      Regards,
      Chris






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bugger !!! - the m9 is the one i was thinking of -  i am an idiot!!!

Matt Stevens
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On 17 Oct 2009, at 21:04, Jeff Duke wrote:

> i can't find the M6, only the M13 and M9, got a link?
> http://line6.com/m9/
>
> J
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris Sewell
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 4:01 PM
> Subject: Re: Looper pedals
>
> Sorry, yes its the m6. About the size of the DL 4.
> On Oct 17, 2009, at 3:16 PM, Matt Stevens wrote:
>
>> The M9 looks cool but i'm more impressed by the new line 6 m6 -  
>> its like a super DL4 with an undo and all the effects from the  
>> other modelers - looks like a one stop fix for looping/fx for me  
>> possibly.
>>
>> Matt Stevens
>> www.mattstevensguitar.com
>> mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 17 Oct 2009, at 19:54, Chris Sewell wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I was in Guitar Center today and saw the new (to me) Line 6 M9  
>>> pedal. My 3 year old was going to let me try it, so has anyone on  
>>> this list played one? It looks kind of cool.
>>>
>>> Also, whats this I hear about a LP2? That sounds cool, what are  
>>> some of its features? Is it on the web yet?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chris
>>>
>>
>
>


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at 21:04, Jeff Duke wrote:</div><br =
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of the DL 4.<br><div><div>On Oct 17, 2009, at 3:16 PM, Matt Stevens =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">The M9 looks cool but i'm more impressed by the new line 6 =
m6 - its like a super DL4 with an undo and all the effects from the =
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Hey loopers,

Bob Amstadt just set up a real time stream of the festival that's up
at the following URL:


www.ustream.tv/channel/y2k9loopfest


Here's the schedule for tonight (we will be streaming tomorrow day and
night as well)

SATURDAY DAY SCHEDULE
12:00 ORGANAMOTRONIC
12:30 PETER COR
1:00  CPR
1:30 JACK SCHULTZ
2:00 GLENN SMITH
2:30  mystery artist
3:00 GLENN SMITH
3:30 JIM GOODIN
4:00 DARYL SHAWN
4:30 STANOSAUR
5:00 TED KILLIAN
5:30 NADIA SHIHAB

dinner break

7:00 ELECTROFUNKADELICA (rhythm section Parliament/Funkadelic)
7:30 KALIMBA MAN/ANDRE DONAWA (Barbados)
8:00 LILI LEWIS
8:30 NAT GRANT (Australia)
9:00 DAVID COOPER ORTON (England)
10:00 WARREN SIROTA
10:30 BILL WALKER
11:00 KEVIN KISSINGER
11:30 TRAVIS JOHNS

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YAY!!!!



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> Hey loopers,
> 
> Bob Amstadt just set up a real time stream of the festival that's up
> at the following URL:
> 
> 
> www.ustream.tv/channel/y2k9loopfest
> 
> 
> Here's the schedule for tonight (we will be streaming tomorrow day and
> night as well)
> 
> SATURDAY DAY SCHEDULE
> 12:00 ORGANAMOTRONIC
> 12:30 PETER COR
> 1:00  CPR
> 1:30 JACK SCHULTZ
> 2:00 GLENN SMITH
> 2:30  mystery artist
> 3:00 GLENN SMITH
> 3:30 JIM GOODIN
> 4:00 DARYL SHAWN
> 4:30 STANOSAUR
> 5:00 TED KILLIAN
> 5:30 NADIA SHIHAB
> 
> dinner break
> 
> 7:00 ELECTROFUNKADELICA (rhythm section Parliament/Funkadelic)
> 7:30 KALIMBA MAN/ANDRE DONAWA (Barbados)
> 8:00 LILI LEWIS
> 8:30 NAT GRANT (Australia)
> 9:00 DAVID COOPER ORTON (England)
> 10:00 WARREN SIROTA
> 10:30 BILL WALKER
> 11:00 KEVIN KISSINGER
> 11:30 TRAVIS JOHNS
> 
>

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My mistake Andy,

the R800 does have a clear coat when you print glossy paper that is 
water resistant and doesn't smear but it doesn't use that on 
printable cds and it is quite easy to smear the print on the cd with 
a wet finger. The spray is an excellent idea, I'll have to start 
using it myself.

Thanks,

Paul Haslem
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www.dulcify.ca





At 04:09 AM 10/15/2009, you wrote:
>hi Margaret,
>
>I'd also suggest get a can of this:-
>
>http://pressit.com/sprayfix-print-protection-fixative.html
>
>gives a slightly nicer finish, but more importantly it protects 
>those inkjet inks which are water soluable.
>
>andy butler

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Showtime is around 9pm eastern - 2am London?




On Oct 17, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Matt Stevens wrote:

> in how many hours time? I'm in the UK?

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FS: Alesis Midiverb II (w/ Alesis power adapter & copy of manual)    
$30.00

I have an extra one of these that I do not need. (but do need the  
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More info about this unit can be found at few places online.

I would prefer local pick up, but will send to anywhere in the USA  
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they cost a bit more but, rather than spraying your CDs (and lungs):

http://www.mediasupply.com/tyd80swsh-300.html

again, there is also a (watershield) WHITE printable side for those  
who'd rather a white background (behind their graphics) than silver.

In Canada, Paul, it would be:

https://www.blankmedia.ca/prodsubcats.asp?id=174

Haven't used them, but hopefully they work

R
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On Oct 17, 2009, at 1:23 PM, paul wrote:

> My mistake Andy,
>
> the R800 does have a clear coat when you print glossy paper that is  
> water resistant and doesn't smear but it doesn't use that on  
> printable cds and it is quite easy to smear the print on the cd with  
> a wet finger. The spray is an excellent idea, I'll have to start  
> using it myself.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul Haslem
> Ontario, Canada
> www.dulcify.ca
>
>
>
>
>
> At 04:09 AM 10/15/2009, you wrote:
>> hi Margaret,
>>
>> I'd also suggest get a can of this:-
>>
>> http://pressit.com/sprayfix-print-protection-fixative.html
>>
>> gives a slightly nicer finish, but more importantly it protects  
>> those inkjet inks which are water soluable.
>>
>> andy butler
>







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Thanks Richard,

I've been using memorex printable cds and they cost 34.00 for 30 so 
32 for 50 seems like an excellent price to me. I'll give them a try.

Regards,

paul
Ontario, Canada
www.dulcify.ca








At 06:05 PM 10/17/2009, you wrote:
>they cost a bit more but, rather than spraying your CDs (and lungs):
>
><http://www.mediasupply.com/tyd80swsh-300.html>http://www.mediasupply.com/tyd80swsh-300.html
>
>again, there is also a (watershield) WHITE printable side for those 
>who'd rather a white background (behind their graphics) than silver.
>
>In Canada, Paul, it would be:
>
><https://www.blankmedia.ca/prodsubcats.asp?id=174>https://www.blankmedia.ca/prodsubcats.asp?id=174
>
>Haven't used them, but hopefully they work
>
>R
>richard sales
><http://www.glasswing.com>www.glasswing.com
>www.richardsales.com
><http://www.hayleysales.com>www.hayleysales.com

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Thanks Richard,<br><br>
I've been using memorex printable cds and they cost 34.00 for 30 so 32
for 50 seems like an excellent price to me. I'll give them a
try.<br><br>
Regards,<br><br>
paul<br>
Ontario, Canada<br>
<a href="http://www.dulcify.ca/" eudora="autourl">www.dulcify.ca<br><br>
<br><br>
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<br><br>
<br>
</a>At 06:05 PM 10/17/2009, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">they cost a bit more but, rather
than spraying your CDs (and lungs):<br><br>
<a href="http://www.mediasupply.com/tyd80swsh-300.html">
http://www.mediasupply.com/tyd80swsh-300.html</a><br><br>
again, there is also a (watershield) WHITE printable side for those who'd
rather a white background (behind their graphics) than silver.<br><br>
In Canada, Paul, it would be:<br><br>
<a href="https://www.blankmedia.ca/prodsubcats.asp?id=174">
https://www.blankmedia.ca/prodsubcats.asp?id=174</a><br><br>
Haven't used them, but hopefully they work<br><br>
R<br>
richard sales<br>
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andy butler schrieb:
> and those that aren't burn out?

If the machine wants dc don't feed it with ac. Inside they all need dc...

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They don't all need DC going into them.  Some convert to DC inside =20
the pedal.


t
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> dc...
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margaret noble schrieb:
> My class is producing an album and we want to print a nice graphic 
> design directly to disc. We were considering purchasing our own low end 
> cd printer. I was wondering if anyone has a home one that they recommend 
> (on the cheaper side).

Wondering why nobody mentioned Kunaki yet, they describe their service 
as being more like a CD burner/printer than a service. Its probably 
true, doing all yourself will be more expensive and lower quality unless 
you need a special packaging (which you could still do after they sent 
you the cds...)

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Doesn't CD baby offer a service like that?

t
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> margaret noble schrieb:
>> My class is producing an album and we want to print a nice graphic =20=

>> design directly to disc. We were considering purchasing our own =20
>> low end cd printer. I was wondering if anyone has a home one that =20
>> they recommend (on the cheaper side).
>
> Wondering why nobody mentioned Kunaki yet, they describe their =20
> service as being more like a CD burner/printer than a service. Its =20
> probably true, doing all yourself will be more expensive and lower =20
> quality unless you need a special packaging (which you could still =20
> do after they sent you the cds...)
>
> Stefan
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Hi Chris,=0Ai have the line 6 M9,for me is wonderful,i had tried the M13 at=
 one point but it was too big and didnt like the distortion sounds,this one=
 however is the size of is DL4,the looper has more to offer with more loopi=
ng time, undo/redo plus all the efx you need,they just came up with a great=
 update with more scenes available and all sounds specially the distortion =
simluations sound way better,a great little box!=0A=0Awww.myspace.com/luisa=
ngulocom=0A=0A=0A--- Chris Sewell <lunamusic@mac.com> schrieb am Sa, 17.10.=
2009:=0A=0A> Von: Chris Sewell <lunamusic@mac.com>=0A> Betreff: Looper peda=
ls=0A> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A> Datum: Samstag, 17. Okto=
ber 2009, 11:54=0A> Hello all,=0A> =0A> I was in Guitar Center today and sa=
w the new (to me) Line 6=0A> M9 pedal. My 3 year old was going to let me tr=
y it, so has=0A> anyone on this list played one? It looks kind of cool.=0A>=
 =0A> Also, whats this I hear about a LP2? That sounds cool, what=0A> are s=
ome of its features? Is it on the web yet?=0A> =0A> Regards,=0A> Chris=0A> =
=0A> =0A=0A=0A      

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You're right it is an inexpensive way to go. I=20
considered it but they only offer a single page=20
cover insert. If all you have is the art work and=20
song titles that's fine but I like to write liner=20
notes about how I came to write a particular=20
tune, notes about how things were recorded etc.

Paul Haslem
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At 04:43 AM 10/18/2009, you wrote:
>margaret noble schrieb:
>>My class is producing an album and we want to=20
>>print a nice graphic design directly to disc.=20
>>We were considering purchasing our own low end=20
>>cd printer. I was wondering if anyone has a=20
>>home one that they recommend (on the cheaper side).
>
>Wondering why nobody mentioned Kunaki yet, they=20
>describe their service as being more like a CD=20
>burner/printer than a service. Its probably=20
>true, doing all yourself will be more expensive=20
>and lower quality unless you need a special=20
>packaging (which you could still do after they sent you the cds...)
>
>Stefan
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Thanks Luis!


On Oct 18, 2009, at 12:31 PM, L.Angulo wrote:

> Hi Chris,
> i have the line 6 M9,for me is wonderful,i had tried the M13 at one  
> point but it was too big and didnt like the distortion sounds,this  
> one however is the size of is DL4,the looper has more to offer with  
> more looping time, undo/redo plus all the efx you need,they just  
> came up with a great update with more scenes available and all  
> sounds specially the distortion simluations sound way better,a  
> great little box!
>
> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>
>
> --- Chris Sewell <lunamusic@mac.com> schrieb am Sa, 17.10.2009:
>
>> Von: Chris Sewell <lunamusic@mac.com>
>> Betreff: Looper pedals
>> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Datum: Samstag, 17. Oktober 2009, 11:54
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I was in Guitar Center today and saw the new (to me) Line 6
>> M9 pedal. My 3 year old was going to let me try it, so has
>> anyone on this list played one? It looks kind of cool.
>>
>> Also, whats this I hear about a LP2? That sounds cool, what
>> are some of its features? Is it on the web yet?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chris
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

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Will there be a stream today?

I understand the festival starts at what is 1900 UTC.

          Rainer

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may somebody post da link? maybe i can buffer some seconds :-(, modem
connection here.

2009/10/18 Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com>

> Will there be a stream today?
>
> I understand the festival starts at what is 1900 UTC.
>
>          Rainer
>
>


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may somebody post da link? maybe i can buffer some seconds :-(, modem conne=
ction here.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/10/18 Rainer Straschill =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:moinsound@googlemail.com">moinsound=
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tream today?<br>
<br>
I understand the festival starts at what is 1900 UTC.<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Rainer<br>
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I started watching it, liked what I saw... and wished there were names  
or name cards or something for the performers so I could know who I  
was seeing.   Maybe I had started in the middle of a clip or something  
and just missed the announcement.

Nice work RIck and gang

richard sales
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www.richardsales.com
www.hayleysales.com


On Oct 18, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote:

> Will there be a stream today?
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> I understand the festival starts at what is 1900 UTC.
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>          Rainer
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here ya go Raul,
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/y2k9loopfest

I gotta work today so will catch the replay

J




  - Original Message -----=20
  From: Raul Bonell=20
  To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
  Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 1:18 PM
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  may somebody post da link? maybe i can buffer some seconds :-(, modem =
connection here.


  2009/10/18 Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com>

    Will there be a stream today?

    I understand the festival starts at what is 1900 UTC.

             Rainer





  --=20
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Hello,

I'm curious whether the Line6 M9 loop pedal can do any syncing with a drum 
machine as slave or master.  Have you tried that at all?

Thanks!  Much appreciated.

Jim

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "L.Angulo" <labaloops@yahoo.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 9:31 AM
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Hi Chris,
i have the line 6 M9,for me is wonderful,i had tried the M13 at one point 
but it was too big and didnt like the distortion sounds,this one however is 
the size of is DL4,the looper has more to offer with more looping time, 
undo/redo plus all the efx you need,they just came up with a great update 
with more scenes available and all sounds specially the distortion 
simluations sound way better,a great little box!

www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


--- Chris Sewell <lunamusic@mac.com> schrieb am Sa, 17.10.2009:

> Von: Chris Sewell <lunamusic@mac.com>
> Betreff: Looper pedals
> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Datum: Samstag, 17. Oktober 2009, 11:54
> Hello all,
>
> I was in Guitar Center today and saw the new (to me) Line 6
> M9 pedal. My 3 year old was going to let me try it, so has
> anyone on this list played one? It looks kind of cool.
>
> Also, whats this I hear about a LP2? That sounds cool, what
> are some of its features? Is it on the web yet?
>
> Regards,
> Chris
>
>






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Hi folks,

I'll be doing video improvisations at 119 Gallery (my favorite 
perfomance space) with two electric and electrifying jazz/improv 
ensembles.

In House (Randy Roos -guitar, Jimmy Alba -guitar, Al Hospers -bass, 
Jared Steer -drums ) will be a reunion of sorts -- Al Hospers was my 
business partner in Dr. T's Music Software back in the 80's and early 
90's. In House plays original tunes with lots of improv.

Opening will be Kevin Frenette Group:Kevin Frenette -guitar, John 
McLellan -drums
I've worked with and heard Kevin and John play many times, and always 
with great pleasure. Improvised music with taste and imagination.


119 Chelmsford St
Lowell, MA 01851
8:30 PM
  http://www.119gallery.org/

Culinary note: There is an outstanding Cambodian restaurant next door 
to the gallery.
-- 
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/

My videos can be viewed at
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The delays can be tempo synced but not the looper which is ashame, dont kno=
w why none of these pedals do,iver mailed line 6 about this already the Tim=
efactor is also MIDI but doesnt either nor will the new boomerang(well that=
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rs=0A=0Awww.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A--- Jim Atwood <ricoche@axel.=
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I'm curious whether the Line6 M9 loop pedal can do any=0A> syncing with a d=
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onderful,i had tried the=0A> M13 at one point but it was too big and didnt =
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way better,a great little=0A> box!=0A> =0A> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom=
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Hello Anthony, this one perhaps:
the roland ve20: 
http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.php?ProductId=1043&ParentId=72
??


Ben.



> high,
>
> I remember reading on this list about a new pedal very well suited for 
> vocalists, with lots of on the fly pedal controlled possiblities. Does 
> anyone remember which pedal I am talking about.
>
> Antony
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yeah, that *is* confusing. mine starts 6 minutes into this one:
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/2375291 (which begins with the end of a great
set by David Cooper Orton)

On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 10:20 AM, richard sales <richard@glasswing.com>wrote:

> I started watching it, liked what I saw... and wished there were names or
> name cards or something for the performers so I could know who I was seeing.
>   Maybe I had started in the middle of a clip or something and just missed
> the announcement.
> Nice work RIck and gang
>
> richard sales
> www.glasswing.com
> www.richardsales.com
> www.hayleysales.com
>
>
> On Oct 18, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote:
>
> Will there be a stream today?
>
> I understand the festival starts at what is 1900 UTC.
>
>          Rainer
>
>
> richard sales
> www.glasswing.com
> www.richardsales.com
> www.hayleysales.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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yeah, that *is* confusing. mine starts 6 minutes into this one: <a href=3D"=
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/2375291">http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/2375=
291</a> (which begins with the end of a great set by David Cooper Orton)<br=
>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 10:20 AM, richard sa=
les <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:richard@glasswing.com">richard@=
glasswing.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex=
; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word;">I started watching it, liked what I s=
aw... and wished there were names or name cards or something for the perfor=
mers so I could know who I was seeing. =A0 Maybe I had started in the middl=
e of a clip or something and just missed the announcement. =A0<div>
<br></div><div>Nice work RIck and gang<br><div><br></div><div><span style=
=3D"font-size: 12px;"><div><font face=3D"Arial">richard sales</font></div><=
div><font color=3D"#908e38"><a href=3D"http://www.glasswing.com" target=3D"=
_blank">www.glasswing.com</a></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#908e38"><a href=3D"http://www.richardsales.com" target=
=3D"_blank">www.richardsales.com</a></font></div><div><font color=3D"#908e3=
8"><a href=3D"http://www.hayleysales.com" target=3D"_blank">www.hayleysales=
.com</a></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#908e38"><br></font></div></span></div><div><div><div><=
/div><div class=3D"h5"><br><div><div>On Oct 18, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Rainer S=
traschill wrote:</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>Will there be a st=
ream today?<br>
<br>I understand the festival starts at what is 1900 UTC.<br><br> =A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Rainer<br><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div><f=
ont color=3D"#888888"><div> <span style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color=
: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal=
; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-h=
eight: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;=
 word-spacing: 0px;"><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word;">
<span style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:=
 Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font=
-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: =
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><div st=
yle=3D"word-wrap: break-word;">
<span style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:=
 Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font=
-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: =
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><div st=
yle=3D"word-wrap: break-word;">
<span style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:=
 Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font=
-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: =
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><div st=
yle=3D"word-wrap: break-word;">
<div><font face=3D"Arial">richard sales</font></div><div><font color=3D"#90=
8e38"><a href=3D"http://www.glasswing.com" target=3D"_blank">www.glasswing.=
com</a></font></div><div><font color=3D"#908e38"><a href=3D"http://www.rich=
ardsales.com" target=3D"_blank">www.richardsales.com</a></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#908e38"><a href=3D"http://www.hayleysales.com" target=
=3D"_blank">www.hayleysales.com</a></font></div><div><br></div></div></span=
><br></div></span><br></div></span><br></div></span><br> </div><br></font><=
/div>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Warren<br><=
a href=3D"http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=3D6679">http://www.ube=
too.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=3D6679</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.warrensiro=
ta.com">http://www.warrensirota.com</a><br>


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Then again i cant believe boss left out the Harmony IQ feature on this box =
that is actually priority for singers!! this would be a winner if it had it=
,the digitech vocalist live 4 has both great FX and IQ but is too big,the n=
ew TC voice live is also too big for a pedalboard and their little harmony =
G doesnt have many of the cool vocal fx this one has,the only one is the el=
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like the digitechs or TCs=0Atheres always something missing grrr!=0A=0A=0A>=
 Hello Anthony, this one perhaps:=0A> the roland ve20: http://www.rolandus.=
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The rang 3 doesn't have midi sync?
On Oct 19, 2009, at 8:57 AM, L.Angulo wrote:

> Then again i cant believe boss left out the Harmony IQ feature on  
> this box that is actually priority for singers!! this would be a  
> winner if it had it,the digitech vocalist live 4 has both great FX  
> and IQ but is too big,the new TC voice live is also too big for a  
> pedalboard and their little harmony G doesnt have many of the cool  
> vocal fx this one has,the only one is the electro harmonix Voice Box  
> but their IQ harmonist does not sound too natural like the digitechs  
> or TCs
> theres always something missing grrr!
>
>
>> Hello Anthony, this one perhaps:
>> the roland ve20: http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.php?ProductId=1043&ParentId=72
>> ??
>>
>>
>> Ben.
>>
>>
>>
>>> high,
>>>
>>> I remember reading on this list about a new pedal very
>> well suited for vocalists, with lots of on the fly pedal
>> controlled possiblities. Does anyone remember which pedal I
>> am talking about.
>>>
>>> Antony
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

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well.... this is what they say in their website=0A=0A"Q. Will the III have =
MIDI capabilities?=0AA. Not in the initial release. The connectors on the b=
ack are MIDI capable but only the SysEx command is supported. That's how ne=
w versions of the software are uploaded. We plan to add some basic MIDI com=
mands to allow remote triggering or syncing to drum machines, but there is =
no guaranty on whether or when this will come about"=0A=0Amaybe im being to=
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L.Angulo wrote:
> The delays can be tempo synced but not the looper which is ashame, dont know why none of these pedals do,

It's a whole different process to hard sync a loop, rather than
to get the delays in time.
To really sync you need to retrigger the loop every once in a while.
Just getting the right loop length isn't good enough, because midi
isn't accurate enough.

You'll probably find that with feedback up at 100% any "midi-synced"
delay will drift after a while.

So that kind of half explains why, the other part of the explanation
being the reason the manufacturers don't bother to implement hard sync,
...which I don't know ;-)


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hey thanks but after soem research I think it is the Digitech JamMan I was thinking of....



----- Original Message ----
From: Ruelle Benoit <benoitruelle@yahoo.fr>
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Sent: Mon, October 19, 2009 11:57:38 AM
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Hello Anthony, this one perhaps:
the roland ve20: http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.php?ProductId=1043&ParentId=72
??


Ben.



> high,
> 
> I remember reading on this list about a new pedal very well suited for vocalists, with lots of on the fly pedal controlled possiblities. Does anyone remember which pedal I am talking about.
> 
> Antony
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I believe that ustream will allow me to set bookmarks in the archived =
video.  However, it will take me some time since I need to get caught up =
on work that was put aside so that I could participate in the Looping =
Festival.  In the meantime, you will just have to watch everything. :-)

It was an amazing festival.  Rick once again did an amazing job of =
organizing this event.  It is just incredible how all these people come =
together from so far away.  I want to thank everybody that has ever =
travelled the distance to participate in these festivals because it is =
wonderful to see all of you perform in person.  I feel very lucky to be =
part of this community.

---
Bob Amstadt
Looperlative Audio Products
(408) 921-LOOP


  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Warren Sirota=20
  To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
  Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 5:35 AM
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  yeah, that *is* confusing. mine starts 6 minutes into this one: =
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/2375291 (which begins with the end of a =
great set by David Cooper Orton)


  On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 10:20 AM, richard sales =
<richard@glasswing.com> wrote:

    I started watching it, liked what I saw... and wished there were =
names or name cards or something for the performers so I could know who =
I was seeing.   Maybe I had started in the middle of a clip or something =
and just missed the announcement. =20


    Nice work RIck and gang



    richard sales
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    www.richardsales.com
    www.hayleysales.com




    On Oct 18, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote:


      Will there be a stream today?

      I understand the festival starts at what is 1900 UTC.

               Rainer




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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It was an amazing festival.&nbsp; Rick =
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how all=20
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everybody=20
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because=20
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Hi Andy,
I can see how that can be complicated,but what about if only the looper fun=
ction is set to only send midi clock to be master,would that be just as dif=
ficult? the other thing i dont get is why delays are ok to be stereo but no=
 the looping function which in most units is mono...?
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--- andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> schrieb am Mo, 19.10.2009:

> Von: andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>
> Betreff: Re: Looper pedals
> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Datum: Montag, 19. Oktober 2009, 11:06
> L.Angulo wrote:
> > The delays can be tempo synced but not the looper
> which is ashame, dont know why none of these pedals do,
>=20
> It's a whole different process to hard sync a loop, rather
> than
> to get the delays in time.
> To really sync you need to retrigger the loop every once in
> a while.
> Just getting the right loop length isn't good enough,
> because midi
> isn't accurate enough.
>=20
> You'll probably find that with feedback up at 100% any
> "midi-synced"
> delay will drift after a while.
>=20
> So that kind of half explains why, the other part of the
> explanation
> being the reason the manufacturers don't bother to
> implement hard sync,
> ...which I don't know ;-)
>=20
>=20
> andy butler
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Bob, thanks for doing the streaming - it's awesome to have that artifact
available online, and to see what the performance looks like from the other
side. It made enduring those hot lights in that hot room worthwhile!

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Bob Amstadt <bob@amstadt.com> wrote:

>  I believe that ustream will allow me to set bookmarks in the archived
> video.  However, it will take me some time since I need to get caught up on
> work that was put aside so that I could participate in the Looping
> Festival.  In the meantime, you will just have to watch everything. :-)
>
> It was an amazing festival.  Rick once again did an amazing job of
> organizing this event.  It is just incredible how all these people come
> together from so far away.  I want to thank everybody that has ever
> travelled the distance to participate in these festivals because it is
> wonderful to see all of you perform in person.  I feel very lucky to be part
> of this community.
>
> ---
> Bob Amstadt
> Looperlative Audio Products
> (408) 921-LOOP
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com>
> *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> *Sent:* Monday, October 19, 2009 5:35 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Y2K9 LOOPFEST now STREAMING in REAL TIME
>
> yeah, that *is* confusing. mine starts 6 minutes into this one:
> http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/2375291 (which begins with the end of a
> great set by David Cooper Orton)
>
> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 10:20 AM, richard sales <richard@glasswing.com>wrote:
>
>> I started watching it, liked what I saw... and wished there were names or
>> name cards or something for the performers so I could know who I was seeing.
>>   Maybe I had started in the middle of a clip or something and just missed
>> the announcement.
>> Nice work RIck and gang
>>
>>  richard sales
>> www.glasswing.com
>> www.richardsales.com
>> www.hayleysales.com
>>
>>
>>  On Oct 18, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote:
>>
>>  Will there be a stream today?
>>
>> I understand the festival starts at what is 1900 UTC.
>>
>>          Rainer
>>
>>
>>    richard sales
>> www.glasswing.com
>> www.richardsales.com
>> www.hayleysales.com
>>
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>
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Bob, thanks for doing the streaming - it&#39;s awesome to have that artifac=
t available online, and to see what the performance looks like from the oth=
er side. It made enduring those hot lights in that hot room worthwhile!<br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Bob Amstad=
t <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bob@amstadt.com">bob@amstadt.com<=
/a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-=
left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left=
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<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">I believe that ustream will allow me t=
o set=20
bookmarks in the archived video.=A0 However, it will take me some time sinc=
e=20
I need to get caught up on work that was put aside so that I could particip=
ate=20
in the Looping Festival.=A0 In the meantime, you will just have to watch=20
everything. :-)</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></font>=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">It was an amazing festival.=A0 Rick on=
ce again=20
did an amazing job of organizing this event.=A0 It is just incredible how a=
ll=20
these people come together from so far away.=A0 I want to thank everybody=
=20
that has ever travelled the distance to participate in these festivals beca=
use=20
it is wonderful to see all of you perform in person.=A0 I feel very lucky t=
o=20
be part of this community.</font></div>
<div><br>---<br>Bob Amstadt<br>Looperlative Audio Products<br>(408)=20
921-LOOP</div>
<div>=A0</div>
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<b>From:</b>=20
  <a title=3D"wsirota@wsdesigns.com" href=3D"mailto:wsirota@wsdesigns.com" =
target=3D"_blank">Warren=20
  Sirota</a> </div>
  <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: norma=
l; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adj=
ust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"Loopers-Delight@lo=
opers-delight.com" href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a>=20
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  </div><div class=3D"im"><div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: nor=
mal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-heigh=
t: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Mond=
ay, October 19, 2009 5:35=20
  AM</div>
  <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: norma=
l; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adj=
ust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: Y2K9 LOOPFEST now STR=
EAMING=20
  in REAL TIME</div>
  <div><br></div></div><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">yeah, that *is* co=
nfusing. mine starts 6 minutes into this one:=20
  <a href=3D"http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/2375291" target=3D"_blank">http=
://www.ustream.tv/recorded/2375291</a>=20
  (which begins with the end of a great set by David Cooper Orton)<br><br>
  <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 10:20 AM, richard sale=
s <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:richard@glasswing.com" target=3D"=
_blank">richard@glasswing.com</a>&gt;</span>=20
  wrote:<br>
  <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204=
, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
    <div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word;">I started watching it, liked what=
 I=20
    saw... and wished there were names or name cards or something for the=
=20
    performers so I could know who I was seeing. =A0 Maybe I had started in=
=20
    the middle of a clip or something and just missed the announcement. =A0
    <div><br></div>
    <div>Nice work RIck and gang<br>
    <div><br></div>
    <div><span style=3D"font-size: 12px;">
    <div><font face=3D"Arial">richard sales</font></div>
    <div><font color=3D"#908e38"><a href=3D"http://www.glasswing.com" targe=
t=3D"_blank">www.glasswing.com</a></font></div>
    <div><font color=3D"#908e38"><a href=3D"http://www.richardsales.com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">www.richardsales.com</a></font></div>
    <div><font color=3D"#908e38"><a href=3D"http://www.hayleysales.com" tar=
get=3D"_blank">www.hayleysales.com</a></font></div>
    <div><font color=3D"#908e38"><br></font></div></span></div>
    <div>
    <div>
    <div></div>
    <div><br>
    <div>
    <div>On Oct 18, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote:</div><br>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
      <div>Will there be a stream today?<br><br>I understand the festival s=
tarts=20
      at what is 1900=20
      UTC.<br><br>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Rainer<br><br></div></blockquo=
te></div><br></div></div><font color=3D"#888888">
    <div><span style=3D"word-spacing: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; font-sty=
le: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 18px; lin=
e-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; text-transf=
orm: none; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px; white-space: normal; lett=
er-spacing: normal; border-collapse: separate;">
    <div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word;"><span style=3D"word-spacing: 0px;=
 font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-wei=
ght: normal; font-size: 18px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; =
font-stretch: normal; text-transform: none; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-inden=
t: 0px; white-space: normal; letter-spacing: normal; border-collapse: separ=
ate;">
    <div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word;"><span style=3D"word-spacing: 0px;=
 font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-wei=
ght: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; =
font-stretch: normal; text-transform: none; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-inden=
t: 0px; white-space: normal; letter-spacing: normal; border-collapse: separ=
ate;">
    <div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word;"><span style=3D"word-spacing: 0px;=
 font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-wei=
ght: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; =
font-stretch: normal; text-transform: none; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-inden=
t: 0px; white-space: normal; letter-spacing: normal; border-collapse: separ=
ate;">
    <div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word;">
    <div><font face=3D"Arial">richard sales</font></div>
    <div><font color=3D"#908e38"><a href=3D"http://www.glasswing.com" targe=
t=3D"_blank">www.glasswing.com</a></font></div>
    <div><font color=3D"#908e38"><a href=3D"http://www.richardsales.com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">www.richardsales.com</a></font></div>
    <div><font color=3D"#908e38"><a href=3D"http://www.hayleysales.com" tar=
get=3D"_blank">www.hayleysales.com</a></font></div>
    <div><br></div></div></span><br></div></span><br></div></span><br></div=
></span><br></div><br></font></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br><br c=
lear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Warren<br><a href=3D"http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.t=
af?_ArtistId=3D6679" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_Ar=
tistId=3D6679</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.warrensirota.com" target=3D"_blank">http://www.warren=
sirota.com</a><br></div></div></blockquote></div>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Warren<br><a href=3D"ht=
tp://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=3D6679">http://www.ubetoo.com/Arti=
st.taf?_ArtistId=3D6679</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.warrensirota.com">http=
://www.warrensirota.com</a><br>


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I was glad to offer the service.  Next time I will prepare for it ahead =
of time and we won't miss any performers.  I literally searched for all =
the video equipment that I had on Saturday morning hoping that I had =
enough stuff to make it work.  Fortunately, I only came up short one =
software driver which the Internet was able to provide me.

I'm just glad that more people are able to see all the wonderful =
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was able to attend the entire festival and I still can't believe all the =
amazing performances that I saw.

---
Bob Amstadt
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I'll second that, thanks so much Bob!

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:
> Bob, thanks for doing the streaming - it's awesome to have that artifact
> available online, and to see what the performance looks like from the other
> side. It made enduring those hot lights in that hot room worthwhile!
>
-- 
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along this line I shot approximately one piece of everyone's set just before
me beginning with Rick I think and then everyone after on Saturday.  I'm
planning to put together an overview piece as I did last year but this time
with the video segments.  When done I'll post the link, will be a few days.
I hate to be overly vain but was anybody else rolling video that might have
gotten some of my set, if so please let me know.

So great to see all of you that I saw, I'm trying to contact individually
via FB but accept this as a generic.

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along this line I shot approximately one piece of everyone&#39;s set just b=
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=A0I&#39;m planning to put together an overview piece as I did last year bu=
t this time with the video segments. =A0When done I&#39;ll post the link, w=
ill be a few days.<div>
<br></div><div>I hate to be overly vain but was anybody else rolling video =
that might have gotten some of my set, if so please let me know.</div><div>=
<br></div><div>So great to see all of you that I saw, I&#39;m trying to con=
tact individually via FB but accept this as a generic.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Jim<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br></div>
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Wussten Sie, dass ein B=FCrger in Deutschland im Durchschnitt ca. 1000 =
Briefe=20
pro Jahr erh=E4lt ? Gesch=E4ftsleute erhalten sogar um ein Vielfaches mehr =
Postsendungen.=20
Wie wichtig ist es daher, mit seinen Weihnachtsgr=FC=DFen aus der Masse =
hervorzustechen.=20
Sehen Sie sich jetzt die Weihnachtskarten mit Ho-Ho-Ho-Effekt an! >>>mehr=20


Ihr Matthew Holmes=20
(Chefredakteur)

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=80 208,00 Anwaltsgeb=FChren zum Preis von =80 4,19. Wie geht das?

=C4rger mit dem Nachbarn, eine erneute Mieterh=F6hung, eine Online-Auktion =
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Wof=FCr Sie als Unternehmer haftbar sind =96 und wie Sie bis zu 50 % Ihrer =
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Weihnachtskarte mit Ho-Ho-Ho-Effekt

Wussten Sie, dass ein B=FCrger in Deutschland im Durchschnitt ca. 1000 =
Briefe=A0pro=20
Jahr erh=E4lt? Gesch=E4ftsleute erhalten sogar um ein Vielfaches mehr =
Postsendungen.=20
Wie wichtig ist es daher, mit seinen Weihnachtsgr=FC=DFen aus der Masse =
hervorzustechen,=20
um nicht ohne Umwege im Papierkorb zu landen. >>>mehr..=2E
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Ein Werbebrief kostet mindestens 25 Cent Porto, wie w=E4re es mit einer =
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Kennen Sie den vergessenen Champion unter den Werbemedien? Obwohl es in =
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Mailings per Post und Email. >>>mehr..=2E
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Die schleichende Revolution im Netz =96 So sind Sie dabei..=2E

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Rundfunkgeb=FChren sparen? Interview mit Deutschlands sch=E4rfstem =
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=DCber 7 Milliarden Euro kassierte die Geb=FChreneinzugszentrale der =
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Was machen Sie mit einem Brief, auf dem statt Ihrem richtigen Namen =
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Ihrer Versicherungsausgaben=20
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   Ein Werbebrief kostet mindestens 25 Cent Porto, wie w=E4re es mit einer =
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   Die schleichende Revolution im Netz =96 So sind Sie dabei..=2E
   Rundfunkgeb=FChren sparen? Interview mit Deutschlands sch=E4rfstem =
GEZ-Kritiker=20
Bernd H=F6cker
   Unrichtige Kunden- und Interessenten-Adressen kosten viel Geld . So =
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Hello to everyone! 

I have been on this list for the past year and have only participated a few times, but I thought I would share my latest project with you all.  Though I am not a looping performer, I do feel that I am a part of the looping community because I truly do create my music through the looping process.  I am always interested to read about those who may not perform out live, but do work with looping as the initial creating point and then turn to a more traditional loop based recording system after that. 

I present to you all the Classic 1922 Film Nosferatu with my music layered over it.  It is not intended to be a musically literal translation or score, simply a different take on this awesome classic film.  Enjoy (I hope) 

www.Youtube.com/larjschoen 

PS, I too wish I could have experienced the Y2K9 Fest.  I'm sure it was awesome! 


You Can Find My Music here:
www.RocknRollUniverse.net
http://www.reverbnation.com/untitledvisions

It's a Rock-N-Roll Universe!

 

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Compliment,

How are you doing. Hope you have not forgotten me, I am Charles S.E the man from Nigeria who contacted you some time ago to assist me secure the release of some money accrued from the over invoicing of a contract/inheritance that was awarded by my government some time ago during the military regime.

Though you were not able to assist me conclude the transaction, I'm happy to inform you about my success in getting those funds transfered under the assistance and cooperation of a new partner from Brazil.Presently I'm in South Korea for investment projects with my own share of the total sum.

Meanwhile, i didn't forget your past efforts and attempts to assist me in transferring those funds, I made sure you are not left out the benefit of the
transaction hence I kept aside for you sum of Two Million Five Hundred Thousand United States Dollar($2,500,000.00)draft.

Please bear with me for the making the initial contact through Email.Mean while, A woman came to MY SECRETARY OFFICE few Days Ago with a letter,Claiming to be your true Representative

HERE IS THE INFORMATION BELOW:

NAME ANNE BRENDA
4031 Villa Vista
Palo Alto, CA 94306
BANK NAME: CITIBANK, ARIZONA, USA.
ACCOUNT NUMBER: 6503809008.

Please,Do reconfirm to MY SECRETARY OFFICE,as a matter of urgency if this woman is from you so that he will not be held responsible for paying into the Wrong Name. If this woman is not your Representative,You are requested to fill and send this information for verification purpose so that your VALID CERTIFIED BANK DRAFT $2,500,000.00 MILLION US DOLLARS WILL NOT BE deliver to the wrong hand please. THIS FUND IS AS A RESULT OF INHERITANCE ON YOUR BEHALF:

YOUR NAME:...............................
YOUR ADDRESS:............................
YOUR PHONE NUMBER........................
AGE......................................
SEX:.....................................
YOUR OCCUPATION/POSITION HELD..........................

I appreciated your efforts at that time very much,so feel free and get in touch with my secretary Michael Jone, l have instruct him on how to send you the
Bank draft to you. Please do let me know immediately you receive the Draft so that we can share the joy together after all the sufferings at that time.

In the moment, I'm very busy here because of the investment projects which i and my partner are having at hand, finally,remember that i had left instruction
to my secretary so as soon as you contact him, he will send the Draft to you,so feel free to get in touch with MY SECRETARY NOW.Below is the contact of my
secretary.

Michael Jone
admin_office@sify.com
Tel:+234-805-681-4318

Best Regard
Charles S.E

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I know Michael and Bill have been counting the different setups
(hardware / software) and the crashes. It was about 50-50 on Saturday
but I'm curious at the statistics.

Btw: Rick, once again thanks for organizing this great festival, we
really enjoyed it, both the musical and social part of it :)


Sjaak Overgaauw
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I was using Mobius which sailed well throughout my set.  The night before at
Noisefest near end I had an 'unexpectedly quit' instance that I have
occasionally gotten but Mobius still performed well that night overall.  I
was running Mobius on OS X Leopard.

Jim

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com> wrote:

> I know Michael and Bill have been counting the different setups
> (hardware / software) and the crashes. It was about 50-50 on Saturday
> but I'm curious at the statistics.
>
> Btw: Rick, once again thanks for organizing this great festival, we
> really enjoyed it, both the musical and social part of it :)
>
>
> Sjaak Overgaauw
> http://premonitionfactory.com/
> http://livelooping.be/
> http://euroloopfest.com/
>
>


-- 
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www.myspace.com/CtReUse

music links...
www.jimgoodinmusic.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com
www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic
www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro
www.myspace.com/jindream
www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic

video work/editing...
www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital

social networking...
www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic

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<div>I was using Mobius which sailed well throughout my set.=A0 The night b=
efore at Noisefest near end I had an &#39;unexpectedly quit&#39; instance t=
hat I have occasionally gotten but Mobius still performed well that night o=
verall.=A0 I was running Mobius on OS X Leopard.</div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>Jim<br><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Sjaak Overgaauw=
 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tcplugin@gmail.com">tcplugin@gmail=
.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">I know Michael and Bill have bee=
n counting the different setups<br>(hardware / software) and the crashes. I=
t was about 50-50 on Saturday<br>
but I&#39;m curious at the statistics.<br><br>Btw: Rick, once again thanks =
for organizing this great festival, we<br>really enjoyed it, both the music=
al and social part of it :)<br><font color=3D"#888888"><br><br>Sjaak Overga=
auw<br>
<a href=3D"http://premonitionfactory.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://premoni=
tionfactory.com/</a><br><a href=3D"http://livelooping.be/" target=3D"_blank=
">http://livelooping.be/</a><br><a href=3D"http://euroloopfest.com/" target=
=3D"_blank">http://euroloopfest.com/</a><br>
<br></font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all">
<div></div><br>-- <br>ReUse, an introspective textural aural<br><a href=3D"=
http://www.myspace.com/CtReUse">www.myspace.com/CtReUse</a><br><br>music li=
nks...<br><a href=3D"http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com">www.jimgoodinmusic.com<=
/a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com">www.chinapaintingmusic.com</a=
><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic">www.myspace.com/jimg=
oodinmusic</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic">www=
.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro">www.myspace.com/j=
imgoodinviolinelectro</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jindream">ww=
w.myspace.com/jindream</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmu=
sic">www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic</a><br>
<br>video work/editing...<br><a href=3D"http://www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigit=
al">www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital</a><br><br>social networking...<br><a hr=
ef=3D"http://www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic">www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic=
</a><br>
<br>

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I had a crash (actually a 'hang') on my LP1... but, that device  
certainly blurs the line between software and hardware.. lol.. I think  
the dividing line should actually be 'stand alone looper' vs 'computer  
based looper'...

-cpr

Quoting Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com>:

> I know Michael and Bill have been counting the different setups
> (hardware / software) and the crashes. It was about 50-50 on Saturday
> but I'm curious at the statistics.
>
> Btw: Rick, once again thanks for organizing this great festival, we
> really enjoyed it, both the musical and social part of it :)
>
>
> Sjaak Overgaauw
> http://premonitionfactory.com/
> http://livelooping.be/
> http://euroloopfest.com/
>
>


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-cpr said:
> I had a crash (actually a 'hang') on my LP1... but, that device certainly blurs the line between software and hardware.. lol..
> I think the dividing line should actually be 'stand alone looper' vs 'computer based looper'...

And that would put the line where? Standalone loopers are time lag
accumulators and Echoplex Tape Delays, computer-based loopers is
everything else? - so generally, I would assume that everyone at the
festival was computer based... ;)
(I would be willing to accept digitech's pds/rds devices into the
standalone category, but that's about it).

Embrace the fact: almost everything you're using today to process
signals (with the exception of most distortion pedals) is
computer-based.

             Rainer

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I think the number of laptop users was pretty big this year compared
to several 1-2 years. At least, that's what Michael, Rick and bill
told me. My setup was 100% software because everything is processed
and looped in Mainstage 2.0.1. Btw: MS runs very stable, I didn't have
a single problem.

Sjaak Overgaauw
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I was running Ableton Live 8 on a windows vista laptop. This was a
completely new setup for me in terms of both hardware (I'd never
performed with this laptop) and software (the new Live looper). I'd
only spent the last two weeks setting it up and testing it out, so I
was thrilled that everything worked.

Even so, I'm looking forward to ditching Vista for Windows 7. BTW,
createdigitalmusic.com had a great post on Windows 7:
http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/09/29/obsessive-windows-7-under-the-hood-guide-for-music-can-you-finally-dump-xp/

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think the number of laptop users was pretty big this year compared
> to several 1-2 years. At least, that's what Michael, Rick and bill
> told me. My setup was 100% software because everything is processed
> and looped in Mainstage 2.0.1. Btw: MS runs very stable, I didn't have
> a single problem.
>
> Sjaak Overgaauw
> http://premonitionfactory.com/
> http://livelooping.be/
> http://euroloopfest.com/
>
>



-- 
Art Simon
simart@gmail.com
myspace [dot] com/artsimon

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I totally agree with you, and that was the point I was trying to make. =20
ie. that the phrase 'software based' is not correct, since most stand =20
alone device are actually running software.. and to that end I was =20
trying to more clearly draw the line that Sjaak was talking about.. =20
so, how about 'single purpose stand alone loopers' vs 'multipurpose =20
computers running looping software'? lol...

Quoting Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com>:

> -cpr said:
>> I had a crash (actually a 'hang') on my LP1... but, that device  =20
>> certainly blurs the line between software and hardware.. lol..
>> I think the dividing line should actually be 'stand alone looper'  =20
>> vs 'computer based looper'...
>
> And that would put the line where? Standalone loopers are time lag
> accumulators and Echoplex Tape Delays, computer-based loopers is
> everything else? - so generally, I would assume that everyone at the
> festival was computer based... ;)
> (I would be willing to accept digitech's pds/rds devices into the
> standalone category, but that's about it).
>
> Embrace the fact: almost everything you're using today to process
> signals (with the exception of most distortion pedals) is
> computer-based.
>
>              Rainer
>
>


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> so, how about 'single
> purpose stand alone loopers' vs 'multipurpose computers running looping
> software'? lol...

That's better :) Perhaps simplify it to hardware loopers vs laptop? In
the end, I think Bill and Michael have been counting laptops, so that
was my starting point.
-- 
Sjaak Overgaauw
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http://livelooping.be/
http://euroloopfest.com/

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Actually, there were only two "hardware loopers" that I recall:

. Stanosaur (acoustic feedback)

and

. Daryl Shawn (tape looping)

The other devices were all digital in the form of a:

. dedicated looping device

or

. looping software running on a general purpose computer

I would be most curious with a breakdown of hardware vs. software failures.

Last weekend, the failure (during my set) was a hardware failure.  My =20
computer overheated and shut down.  When I came back up, I propped the =20
computer to provide better ventilation to its fan and it didn't crash =20
again.  So, though I used a laptop, to classify it as a software =20
failure would be inaccurate.

(Incidentally, my particular laptop is a Toshiba and, to be quite =20
honest, I've never been happy with the computer due to its hardware.  =20
I just haven't had the money to replace it and, thus, I have to work =20
around issues.  My next computer will NOT be a laptop -- I will custom =20
build a computer into a case that is rack-mountable.  I want to be =20
able to choose my own Firewire card, video cards, etc.  With a laptop =20
one is stuck with the hardware that is hardwired onto the mother board.)

Last year my LP1 stopped working and I had to send it back to Bob for =20
repair.  He replaced some hardware on it, so I presume it was a =20
hardware issue.

In looking back over problems I've had, it has always been hardware.  =20
I've never had a software program failure in a performance setting.

-- Kevin

Quoting cpr@musetrap.com:

> I had a crash (actually a 'hang') on my LP1... but, that device
> certainly blurs the line between software and hardware.. lol.. I think
> the dividing line should actually be 'stand alone looper' vs 'computer
> based looper'...
>
> -cpr
>
> Quoting Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com>:
>
>> I know Michael and Bill have been counting the different setups
>> (hardware / software) and the crashes. It was about 50-50 on Saturday
>> but I'm curious at the statistics.
>>
>> Btw: Rick, once again thanks for organizing this great festival, we
>> really enjoyed it, both the musical and social part of it :)
>>
>>
>> Sjaak Overgaauw
>> http://premonitionfactory.com/
>> http://livelooping.be/
>> http://euroloopfest.com/
>>
>>



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I meant to add as well the fest and our other shows circled around it
were my first experiences with Mobius live beyond using it a few times
on my webcast and the recent VSV.  It was quite successful.  I used it
costantly on the Noisefest and Loopfest sets.  For the LA show on
Sunday I used it subtly as I did more realtime playing.

I should also mention and I credit Rainer for this.  I couldn't afford
a pedal system to work with my laptop and Mobiuse at this time.
Rainer did some research for me and came with with an excellent $60
solution for me - the Frag Pedal from gamingmouse.coim.  The pedal
has. 4 programable foot buttons that you assign to keys on the
keyboard.  I had the 4 pedal buttons mapped within Mobius as follows,
R to record, G for global reset, V to reverse and N for next track.
It was minimal but worked really well for my purposes this trip.  As I
grow with the app I will eventually get something more robust.

Jim

On 10/21/09, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com
<kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com> wrote:
> Actually, there were only two "hardware loopers" that I recall:
>
> . Stanosaur (acoustic feedback)
>
> and
>
> . Daryl Shawn (tape looping)
>
> The other devices were all digital in the form of a:
>
> . dedicated looping device
>
> or
>
> . looping software running on a general purpose computer
>
> I would be most curious with a breakdown of hardware vs. software failures.
>
> Last weekend, the failure (during my set) was a hardware failure.  My
> computer overheated and shut down.  When I came back up, I propped the
> computer to provide better ventilation to its fan and it didn't crash
> again.  So, though I used a laptop, to classify it as a software
> failure would be inaccurate.
>
> (Incidentally, my particular laptop is a Toshiba and, to be quite
> honest, I've never been happy with the computer due to its hardware.
> I just haven't had the money to replace it and, thus, I have to work
> around issues.  My next computer will NOT be a laptop -- I will custom
> build a computer into a case that is rack-mountable.  I want to be
> able to choose my own Firewire card, video cards, etc.  With a laptop
> one is stuck with the hardware that is hardwired onto the mother board.)
>
> Last year my LP1 stopped working and I had to send it back to Bob for
> repair.  He replaced some hardware on it, so I presume it was a
> hardware issue.
>
> In looking back over problems I've had, it has always been hardware.
> I've never had a software program failure in a performance setting.
>
> -- Kevin
>
> Quoting cpr@musetrap.com:
>
>> I had a crash (actually a 'hang') on my LP1... but, that device
>> certainly blurs the line between software and hardware.. lol.. I think
>> the dividing line should actually be 'stand alone looper' vs 'computer
>> based looper'...
>>
>> -cpr
>>
>> Quoting Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> I know Michael and Bill have been counting the different setups
>>> (hardware / software) and the crashes. It was about 50-50 on Saturday
>>> but I'm curious at the statistics.
>>>
>>> Btw: Rick, once again thanks for organizing this great festival, we
>>> really enjoyed it, both the musical and social part of it :)
>>>
>>>
>>> Sjaak Overgaauw
>>> http://premonitionfactory.com/
>>> http://livelooping.be/
>>> http://euroloopfest.com/
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>

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No matter what you are using, there is always the possibility of failure. 
My recommendation is that no matter what your primary system is, it is a 
good idea to have a fall back plan.  Of course, the fall back could be as 
simple as a book of poetry that you recite.  Realistically, it is a good 
idea to have some inexpensive looping device in your bag of tricks to save 
you if your primary system fails.

---
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had it covered Bob and yes I agree, I brought my 2880 with me...

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Bob Amstadt <bob@amstadt.com> wrote:

> No matter what you are using, there is always the possibility of failure.
> My recommendation is that no matter what your primary system is, it is a
> good idea to have a fall back plan.  Of course, the fall back could be as
> simple as a book of poetry that you recite.  Realistically, it is a good
> idea to have some inexpensive looping device in your bag of tricks to save
> you if your primary system fails.
>
> ---
> Bob Amstadt
> Looperlative Audio Products
> (408) 921-LOOP
>



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had it covered Bob and yes I agree, I brought my 2880 with me...<br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Bob Amstadt <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bob@amstadt.com">bob@amstadt.com</a>&g=
t;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">No matter what you are using, th=
ere is always the possibility of failure. My recommendation is that no matt=
er what your primary system is, it is a good idea to have a fall back plan.=
 =A0Of course, the fall back could be as simple as a book of poetry that yo=
u recite. =A0Realistically, it is a good idea to have some inexpensive loop=
ing device in your bag of tricks to save you if your primary system fails.<=
br>
<br>---<br><font color=3D"#888888">Bob Amstadt<br>Looperlative Audio Produc=
ts<br>(408) 921-LOOP <br></font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all">
<div></div><br>-- <br>ReUse, an introspective textural aural<br><a href=3D"=
http://www.myspace.com/CtReUse">www.myspace.com/CtReUse</a><br><br>music li=
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I was really scared that the short setup time would doom me - I run 5
programs that talk to each other (soon to simplify somewhat).

I solved it (with *ample* time to spare!) by creating an automator script
that opened every file I needed. But before it runs, it puts up a checklist
of preconditions to manually manipulate (it is *not* easy to automate
*everything* with this tool, so i just automate what's easy), and after it
runs, it puts up another checklist of what I need to complete manually.

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I was really scared that the short setup time would doom me - I run 5 progr=
ams that talk to each other (soon to simplify somewhat).<br><br>I solved it=
 (with *ample* time to spare!) by creating an automator script that opened =
every file I needed. But before it runs, it puts up a checklist of precondi=
tions to manually manipulate (it is *not* easy to automate *everything* wit=
h this tool, so i just automate what&#39;s easy), and after it runs, it put=
s up another checklist of what I need to complete manually.<br>
<br><br>

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Well, mine was a cautionary tale - make sure all the screws of your DL-4 are
securely fastened before starting your show. (Half of my record button fell
into the unit, while the other half fell off.)

Still haven't fixed it yet, but the recording sounds a lot better than I
thought it would.

-- 
Matt Davignon
www.ribosomemusic.com
Rigs! www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt

Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com> was all:

> I know Michael and Bill have been counting the different setups
> (hardware / software) and the crashes. It was about 50-50 on Saturday
> but I'm curious at the statistics.
>
> Btw: Rick, once again thanks for organizing this great festival, we
> really enjoyed it, both the musical and social part of it :)
>
>

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Well, mine was a cautionary tale - make sure all the screws of your DL-4 ar=
e securely fastened before starting your show. (Half of my record button fe=
ll into the unit, while the other half fell off.)<br><br>Still haven&#39;t =
fixed it yet, but the recording sounds a lot better than I thought it would=
. <br>
<br>-- <br>Matt Davignon<br><a href=3D"http://www.ribosomemusic.com">www.ri=
bosomemusic.com</a><br>Rigs! <a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/user/ribosom=
ematt">www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt</a><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">
Sjaak Overgaauw <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tcplugin@gmail.com"=
>tcplugin@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> was all:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0=
pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I know Michael and Bill have been counting the different setups<br>
(hardware / software) and the crashes. It was about 50-50 on Saturday<br>
but I&#39;m curious at the statistics.<br>
<br>
Btw: Rick, once again thanks for organizing this great festival, we<br>
really enjoyed it, both the musical and social part of it :)<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>

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Matt sorry I wasn't there to see you on Sunday and catch your set, we were
booked down south so we were just on Saturday.  Trust all is well though
sounds like you need a screwdriver (grins)...

see you next time

J

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<div>Matt sorry I wasn&#39;t there to see you on Sunday and catch your set,=
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l though sounds like you need a screwdriver (grins)...</div>
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<div>see you next time</div>
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I just wanted to say how much I enjoyed the Y2K9 festival and meeting many of you face to face for the 1st time.

I'm a bit tired (flew through the night from San Francisco to Atlanta), stayed up til 3 am each morning playing, conversing and occasionally debating the pros/cons in regards to reliability between hardware and software :)

Sjaak, Andre Donawa, Michael Peters, Bob Amstadt, Nat, Julia I enjoyed our conversations immensely!

Thanks Rick and Bill for all that you do to make my stay enjoyable. You guys are an inspiration!
I hope there was something I said and/or something I played that was beneficial to each of you in some small way.     

-Kevin "KalimbaMan" Spears

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Hey Kevin,

Glad I got to me you in person at the brunch.

I'd love to hear how that rack-mount build goes. I've toyed with that
idea, it seems like you'd end up with a much more powerful and
roadworthy computer than a laptop. I was thinking: wouldn't it be cool
if some manufacturer came up with a case like the old osbourne, It had
a built in keyboard and CRT and folded up to sewing maching size.
There are some rach-mount monitors and keyboards, but they all seem
pretty pricey and too bulky for most portable 19" music racks like the
kind skb builds.

Anyway, keep us posted.

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:17 PM,  <kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com> wrote:
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I know, just mount it in one rack space. But thats too big. I'm  
looking for a small case to contain about 3 small 1/2 rack sized  
devices. You would think this would be manufactured somewhere with  
all the 1/2 rack stuff out there. But no. I have yet to find one.

While I'm at it, why don't manufacturers make back panels with power  
jacks built in? The panel could have 2 or 3 plugs on the inside  
connected to a 3 prong female jack. Oh and a fan and firewire and usb  
outlets as well.

Thats all I'm looking for. Simple really. I don't understand why this  
isn't readily available. :)

Chris

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Chris,

Yes this seems simple to you. However, most large scale manufacturers of rack gear build to the lowest common denominator/price vs. feature set. It is alot like all of the big names that have tried to do  a looping pedal and have really gotten them wrong. I for one would love something with that much intelligent design involved. However, most of the time that is a DIY moment. And with the Un-G*dly amount of brain power and innovation on this list, I am betting that someone here could build that or give you a million options as to its' execution. They could also tell you how to do it for a fraction of the price that you would think. Probably in the form of some kind of break out box. 

Todd Howell

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>
>Thats all I'm looking for. Simple really. I don't understand why this  
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>
>Chris
>

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Chris,
I "believe" the rack and cabinet manufacturer - Great Lakes, made a 9.5 rack
and it was 4U to start with. I'm not sure what the status of Great Lakes is
but you might be able to cross reference it in a search.

Hope it helps...

Clint Allen

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Chris Sewell <lunamusic@mac.com> wrote:

> I know, just mount it in one rack space. But thats too big. I'm looking for
> a small case to contain about 3 small 1/2 rack sized devices. You would
> think this would be manufactured somewhere with all the 1/2 rack stuff out
> there. But no. I have yet to find one.
>
> While I'm at it, why don't manufacturers make back panels with power jacks
> built in? The panel could have 2 or 3 plugs on the inside connected to a 3
> prong female jack. Oh and a fan and firewire and usb outlets as well.
>
> Thats all I'm looking for. Simple really. I don't understand why this isn't
> readily available. :)
>
> Chris
>
>


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<div>Chris,</div>
<div>I &quot;believe&quot; the rack and cabinet manufacturer - Great Lakes,=
 made a 9.5 rack and it was 4U to start with. I&#39;m not sure what the sta=
tus of Great Lakes is but you might be able to cross reference it in a sear=
ch. </div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>Hope it helps...</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Clint Allen<br><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Chris Sewell <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lunamusic@mac.com">lunamusic@mac.com<=
/a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">I know, just mount it in one rac=
k space. But thats too big. I&#39;m looking for a small case to contain abo=
ut 3 small 1/2 rack sized devices. You would think this would be manufactur=
ed somewhere with all the 1/2 rack stuff out there. But no. I have yet to f=
ind one.<br>
<br>While I&#39;m at it, why don&#39;t manufacturers make back panels with =
power jacks built in? The panel could have 2 or 3 plugs on the inside conne=
cted to a 3 prong female jack. Oh and a fan and firewire and usb outlets as=
 well.<br>
<br>Thats all I&#39;m looking for. Simple really. I don&#39;t understand wh=
y this isn&#39;t readily available. :)<br><font color=3D"#888888"><br>Chris=
<br><br></font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all">
<div></div><br>-- <br>Clint E. Allen<br>* Technology Consultant<br>* Sound =
Engineering<br>

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Yes ive been looking for this as well prefereably light plastic or other ma=
terial that is light to transport=0Aif u guys have any links please send!=
=0Awww.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A--- Todd Howell <ransacker@earthli=
nk.net> schrieb am Mi, 21.10.2009:=0A=0A> Von: Todd Howell <ransacker@earth=
link.net>=0A> Betreff: Re: Does anyone make a Rack for 1/2 rack gear.=0A> A=
n: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A> Datum: Mittwoch, 21. Oktober 200=
9, 16:55=0A> Chris,=0A> =0A> Yes this seems simple to you. However, most la=
rge scale=0A> manufacturers of rack gear build to the lowest common=0A> den=
ominator/price vs. feature set. It is alot like all of=0A> the big names th=
at have tried to do=A0 a looping pedal=0A> and have really gotten them wron=
g. I for one would love=0A> something with that much intelligent design inv=
olved.=0A> However, most of the time that is a DIY moment. And with the=0A>=
 Un-G*dly amount of brain power and innovation on this list,=0A> I am betti=
ng that someone here could build that or give you=0A> a million options as =
to its' execution. They could also tell=0A> you how to do it for a fraction=
 of the price that you would=0A> think. Probably in the form of some kind o=
f break out box. =0A> =0A> Todd Howell=0A> =0A> -----Original Message-----=
=0A> >From: Chris Sewell <lunamusic@mac.com>=0A> >Sent: Oct 21, 2009 7:24 P=
M=0A> >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A> >Subject: Does anyone ma=
ke a Rack for 1/2 rack gear.=0A> >=0A> >I know, just mount it in one rack s=
pace. But thats too=0A> big. I'm=A0 =0A> >looking for a small case to conta=
in about 3 small 1/2=0A> rack sized=A0 =0A> >devices. You would think this =
would be manufactured=0A> somewhere with=A0 =0A> >all the 1/2 rack stuff ou=
t there. But no. I have yet to=0A> find one.=0A> >=0A> >While I'm at it, wh=
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ris=0A> >=0A> =0A> =0A=0A=0A      

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I fully agree with Fro - DIY!

Use a mix of plywood and some logs.  Actually, avoiding hum may be 
easier this way.  With metal rails, care needs to be taken isolating the 
rails and use isolation screws/washers et al..
Lining the box inside with a metal mesh can work against interference.
Standard rack building hardware/accessories, available from many sources 
(like Thomann here in EU) can be used, just like on a fullsize box.



FRO DIDDLY wrote:
> honestly i would build your own box- dont even need rack rail, just 
> screw the gear into wood-
> 
> as ive never seen a 1/2 rack-
> you can buy panels to put 2x (1/2 racks) into 1 rack space....try FMR 
> audio....but its like $60 for the panel....just build it instead
> 
> 
> 
>  > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>  > From: lunamusic@mac.com
>  > Subject: Does anyone make a Rack for 1/2 rack gear.
>  > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:24:23 -0400
>  >
>  > I know, just mount it in one rack space. But thats too big. I'm
>  > looking for a small case to contain about 3 small 1/2 rack sized
>  > devices. You would think this would be manufactured somewhere with
>  > all the 1/2 rack stuff out there. But no. I have yet to find one.
>  >
>  > While I'm at it, why don't manufacturers make back panels with power
>  > jacks built in? The panel could have 2 or 3 plugs on the inside
>  > connected to a 3 prong female jack. Oh and a fan and firewire and usb
>  > outlets as well.
>  >
>  > Thats all I'm looking for. Simple really. I don't understand why this
>  > isn't readily available. :)
>  >
>  > Chris
>  >
> 
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Chris said:
> While I'm at it, why don't manufacturers make back panels with power jacks built in?
> The panel could have 2 or 3 plugs on the inside connected to a 3 prong female jack.

Not sure if I get this right, but a female jack (to supply the power
to the rack) would not be a good idea - for the same reason that XLR
microphone cables are always female (input) to male (output), only
with relevance to your life expectancy.

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Actually just a Jack for a standard ac cable. Typical with most music  
equipment in the US.
On Oct 22, 2009, at 11:06 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote:

> Chris said:
>> While I'm at it, why don't manufacturers make back panels with  
>> power jacks built in?
>> The panel could have 2 or 3 plugs on the inside connected to a 3  
>> prong female jack.
>
> Not sure if I get this right, but a female jack (to supply the power
> to the rack) would not be a good idea - for the same reason that XLR
> microphone cables are always female (input) to male (output), only
> with relevance to your life expectancy.
>

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Subject: Re: Does anyone make a Rack for 1/2 rack gear.
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The standard is:

Power main > male-cable-female > Rack has inset male receiving
connector which then distributes to modules.

There is never an exposed HOT set of pins.

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http://line6.com/footcontrollers/fbvexpressmkii.html

does somebody have any experiences with this tool for controlling a sw
looper?

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<a href="http://line6.com/footcontrollers/fbvexpressmkii.html">http://line6.com/footcontrollers/fbvexpressmkii.html</a><br><br>does somebody have any experiences with this tool for controlling a sw looper?<br clear="all"><br>
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He's not looping but check out this guy's musical inventions.
Though not a looper,  he inspires my own looping like crazy.

He plays on the streets occasionally in Santa Cruz but he generally 
doesn't bring anything out
except his amazing invented bowed cymbalon.

http://www.youtube.com/user/CollateralTimbre#p/u/4/EOZYWhXZx0I

He lives a pretty marginal economic existence and he's so amazingly 
inventive and creative
that if you have the bucks,  actually buy his CD and support him.

I'd love to get him into live looping...............he'd do amazing 
stuff if he did.

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Absolutely love Mr Masley.  I first stumbled on to him as fluke in 1992 on a
first trip to San Francisco and was blown away.  Then 10 years later I was
coming out of the convention center at NAMM and as I walked through the
trees heard this familiar ringing sound hanging in the air and I did a
flashback, thinking no... But to my pleasant surprise there was the same
dude.  This time we chatted and exchanged CD's and have been in touch ever
since.  Amazing inventive soul.  Thanks for promoing Michael a bit to the
list Rick.  I saw this clip a while back.

j

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

> He's not looping but check out this guy's musical inventions.
> Though not a looper,  he inspires my own looping like crazy.
>
> He plays on the streets occasionally in Santa Cruz but he generally doesn't
> bring anything out
> except his amazing invented bowed cymbalon.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/user/CollateralTimbre#p/u/4/EOZYWhXZx0I
>
> He lives a pretty marginal economic existence and he's so amazingly
> inventive and creative
> that if you have the bucks,  actually buy his CD and support him.
>
> I'd love to get him into live looping...............he'd do amazing stuff
> if he did.
>
>


-- 
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www.myspace.com/CtReUse

music links...
www.jimgoodinmusic.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com
www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic
www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro
www.myspace.com/jindream
www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic

video work/editing...
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social networking...
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<div>Absolutely love Mr Masley.=A0 I first stumbled on to him as fluke in 1=
992 on a first trip to San Francisco and was blown away.=A0 Then 10 years l=
ater I was coming out of the convention center at NAMM and as I walked thro=
ugh the trees heard this familiar ringing sound hanging in the air and I di=
d a flashback, thinking no... But to my pleasant surprise there was the sam=
e dude.=A0 This time we chatted and exchanged CD&#39;s and have been in tou=
ch ever since.=A0 Amazing inventive soul.=A0 Thanks for promoing Michael a =
bit to the list Rick.=A0 I saw this clip a while back.</div>

<div>=A0</div>
<div>j<br><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Rick Walker <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:looppool@cruzio.com">looppool@cruzio.c=
om</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">He&#39;s not looping but check o=
ut this guy&#39;s musical inventions.<br>Though not a looper, =A0he inspire=
s my own looping like crazy.<br>
<br>He plays on the streets occasionally in Santa Cruz but he generally doe=
sn&#39;t bring anything out<br>except his amazing invented bowed cymbalon.<=
br><br><a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/user/CollateralTimbre#p/u/4/EOZYWh=
XZx0I" target=3D"_blank">http://www.youtube.com/user/CollateralTimbre#p/u/4=
/EOZYWhXZx0I</a><br>
<br>He lives a pretty marginal economic existence and he&#39;s so amazingly=
 inventive and creative<br>that if you have the bucks, =A0actually buy his =
CD and support him.<br><br>I&#39;d love to get him into live looping.......=
........he&#39;d do amazing stuff if he did.<br>
<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all">
<div></div><br>-- <br>ReUse, an introspective textural aural<br><a href=3D"=
http://www.myspace.com/CtReUse">www.myspace.com/CtReUse</a><br><br>music li=
nks...<br><a href=3D"http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com">www.jimgoodinmusic.com<=
/a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com">www.chinapaintingmusic.com</a=
><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic">www.myspace.com/jimg=
oodinmusic</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic">www=
.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro">www.myspace.com/j=
imgoodinviolinelectro</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jindream">ww=
w.myspace.com/jindream</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmu=
sic">www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic</a><br>
<br>video work/editing...<br><a href=3D"http://www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigit=
al">www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital</a><br><br>social networking...<br><a hr=
ef=3D"http://www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic">www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic=
</a><br>
<br>

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Amazingly cool stuff

-- 
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Oh, yess!! fantastic musician! i'll try to by some CD for suppurting him!
but...where?  remember that i live in italy! :-)
good life to everybody!

Max Liver

Rick Walker ha scritto:
> He's not looping but check out this guy's musical inventions.
> Though not a looper,  he inspires my own looping like crazy.
>
> He plays on the streets occasionally in Santa Cruz but he generally 
> doesn't bring anything out
> except his amazing invented bowed cymbalon.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/user/CollateralTimbre#p/u/4/EOZYWhXZx0I
>
> He lives a pretty marginal economic existence and he's so amazingly 
> inventive and creative
> that if you have the bucks,  actually buy his CD and support him.
>
> I'd love to get him into live looping...............he'd do amazing 
> stuff if he did.
>
>
>


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wow impressive! my favortie is the  "EggDawn Autoharp"=0Athanx for tjhe lin=
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tum: Donnerstag, 22. Oktober 2009, 16:44=0A> Absolutely love Mr Masley.=A0 =
I first=0A> stumbled on to him as fluke in 1992 on a first trip to San=0A> =
Francisco and was blown away.=A0 Then 10 years later I was=0A> coming out o=
f the convention center at NAMM and as I walked=0A> through the trees heard=
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thinking no... But to my=0A> pleasant surprise there was the same dude.=A0 =
This time we=0A> chatted and exchanged CD's and have been in touch ever=0A>=
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 to the list Rick.=A0 I saw this clip a while=0A> back.=0A> =0A> =A0=0A> j=
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s musical inventions.=0A> Though not a looper, =A0he inspires my own loopin=
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ta Cruz but he=0A> generally doesn't bring anything out=0A> except his amaz=
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ove to get him into live=0A> looping...............he'd do amazing stuff if=
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textural aural=0A> www.myspace.com/CtReUse=0A> =0A> music links...=0A> www.=
jimgoodinmusic.com=0A> =0A> www.chinapaintingmusic.com=0A> www.myspace.com/=
jimgoodinmusic=0A> www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic=0A> =0A> www.myspace.=
com/jimgoodinviolinelectro=0A> www.myspace.com/jindream=0A> www.youtube.com=
/jimgoodinmusic=0A> =0A> =0A> video work/editing...=0A> www.vimeo.com/jimgo=
odindigital=0A> =0A> social networking...=0A> www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusi=
c=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A=0A=0A      

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On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 1:37 AM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/user/CollateralTimbre#p/u/4/EOZYWhXZx0I


I like the way he plays!
No matter what instrument used, I always dig when people play that way.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com

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Did he really invented the "cymbalom" ? It sounds very beautiful and rich of
several nuances.
It makes me think that he will be good in having session with Egberto
Gismonti...
Thanks for sharing.

fabio
www.eterogeneo.com

2009/10/23 L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com>

> wow impressive! my favortie is the  "EggDawn Autoharp"
> thanx for tjhe linkin guys
>
> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>
>
> --- Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com> schrieb am Do, 22.10.2009:
>
> > Von: Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com>
> > Betreff: Re: OT Michael Masley's Idisosncratic and Brilliant Musical
> World
> > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > Datum: Donnerstag, 22. Oktober 2009, 16:44
>  > Absolutely love Mr Masley.  I first
> > stumbled on to him as fluke in 1992 on a first trip to San
> > Francisco and was blown away.  Then 10 years later I was
> > coming out of the convention center at NAMM and as I walked
> > through the trees heard this familiar ringing sound hanging
> > in the air and I did a flashback, thinking no... But to my
> > pleasant surprise there was the same dude.  This time we
> > chatted and exchanged CD's and have been in touch ever
> > since.  Amazing inventive soul.  Thanks for promoing
> > Michael a bit to the list Rick.  I saw this clip a while
> > back.
> >
> >
> > j
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 7:37 PM,
> > Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > He's not looping but
> > check out this guy's musical inventions.
> > Though not a looper,  he inspires my own looping like
> > crazy.
> >
> >
> > He plays on the streets occasionally in Santa Cruz but he
> > generally doesn't bring anything out
> > except his amazing invented bowed cymbalon.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/user/CollateralTimbre#p/u/4/EOZYWhXZx0I
> >
> >
> > He lives a pretty marginal economic existence and he's
> > so amazingly inventive and creative
> > that if you have the bucks,  actually buy his CD and
> > support him.
> >
> > I'd love to get him into live
> > looping...............he'd do amazing stuff if he did.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ReUse, an introspective textural aural
> > www.myspace.com/CtReUse
> >
> > music links...
> > www.jimgoodinmusic.com
> >
> > www.chinapaintingmusic.com
> > www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
> > www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic
> >
> > www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro
> > www.myspace.com/jindream
> > www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic
> >
> >
> > video work/editing...
> > www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital
> >
> > social networking...
> > www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>

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<div>Did he really invented the &quot;cymbalom&quot;=A0? It sounds very bea=
utiful and rich of several nuances.</div>
<div>It makes me think that he will be good=A0in having session with Egbert=
o Gismonti...</div>
<div>Thanks for sharing.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>fabio</div>
<div><a href=3D"http://www.eterogeneo.com/">www.eterogeneo.com</a><br><br><=
/div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/10/23 L.Angulo <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com">labaloops@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">wow impressive! my favortie is t=
he =A0&quot;EggDawn Autoharp&quot;<br>thanx for tjhe linkin guys<br><br><a =
href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom" target=3D"_blank">www.myspace=
.com/luisangulocom</a><br>
<br><br>--- Jim Goodin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com">jimg=
oodinmusic@gmail.com</a>&gt; schrieb am Do, 22.10.2009:<br><br>&gt; Von: Ji=
m Goodin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com">jimgoodinmusic@gma=
il.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Betreff: Re: OT Michael Masley&#39;s Idisosncratic and Brilliant Music=
al World<br>&gt; An: <a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"=
>Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a><br>&gt; Datum: Donnerstag, 22. Okt=
ober 2009, 16:44<br>

<div>
<div></div>
<div class=3D"h5">&gt; Absolutely love Mr Masley.=A0 I first<br>&gt; stumbl=
ed on to him as fluke in 1992 on a first trip to San<br>&gt; Francisco and =
was blown away.=A0 Then 10 years later I was<br>&gt; coming out of the conv=
ention center at NAMM and as I walked<br>
&gt; through the trees heard this familiar ringing sound hanging<br>&gt; in=
 the air and I did a flashback, thinking no... But to my<br>&gt; pleasant s=
urprise there was the same dude.=A0 This time we<br>&gt; chatted and exchan=
ged CD&#39;s and have been in touch ever<br>
&gt; since.=A0 Amazing inventive soul.=A0 Thanks for promoing<br>&gt; Micha=
el a bit to the list Rick.=A0 I saw this clip a while<br>&gt; back.<br>&gt;=
<br>&gt; =A0<br>&gt; j<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 7:37=
 PM,<br>
&gt; Rick Walker &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:looppool@cruzio.com">looppool@cruzio=
.com</a>&gt;<br>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; He&#39;s not looping but<br>&gt=
; check out this guy&#39;s musical inventions.<br>&gt; Though not a looper,=
 =A0he inspires my own looping like<br>
&gt; crazy.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; He plays on the streets occasionally in=
 Santa Cruz but he<br>&gt; generally doesn&#39;t bring anything out<br>&gt;=
 except his amazing invented bowed cymbalon.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; <a href=3D"htt=
p://www.youtube.com/user/CollateralTimbre#p/u/4/EOZYWhXZx0I" target=3D"_bla=
nk">http://www.youtube.com/user/CollateralTimbre#p/u/4/EOZYWhXZx0I</a><br>
&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; He lives a pretty marginal economic existence and he&#=
39;s<br>&gt; so amazingly inventive and creative<br>&gt; that if you have t=
he bucks, =A0actually buy his CD and<br>&gt; support him.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I=
&#39;d love to get him into live<br>
&gt; looping...............he&#39;d do amazing stuff if he did.<br>&gt;<br>=
&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; --<br>&gt; ReUse, an introspec=
tive textural aural<br>&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/CtReUse" targ=
et=3D"_blank">www.myspace.com/CtReUse</a><br>
&gt;<br>&gt; music links...<br>&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.jimgoodinmusic.co=
m/" target=3D"_blank">www.jimgoodinmusic.com</a><br>&gt;<br>&gt; <a href=3D=
"http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com/" target=3D"_blank">www.chinapaintingmus=
ic.com</a><br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic" target=3D"_blank">ww=
w.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic</a><br>&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/=
chinapaintingmusic" target=3D"_blank">www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic</a=
><br>
&gt;<br>&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro" targ=
et=3D"_blank">www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro</a><br>&gt; <a href=3D=
"http://www.myspace.com/jindream" target=3D"_blank">www.myspace.com/jindrea=
m</a><br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic" target=3D"_blank">ww=
w.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic</a><br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; video work/editing=
...<br>&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital" target=3D"_bl=
ank">www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital</a><br>
&gt;<br>&gt; social networking...<br>&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.twitter.com=
/jimgoodinmusic" target=3D"_blank">www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic</a><br>&g=
t;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br><br><br><br><br></div></div></blockquote></di=
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It looks like a documentary film on him is in work:
http://aofthemovie.com/

Florian


Rick Walker schrieb:
> He's not looping but check out this guy's musical inventions.
> Though not a looper,  he inspires my own looping like crazy.
> 
> He plays on the streets occasionally in Santa Cruz but he generally 
> doesn't bring anything out
> except his amazing invented bowed cymbalon.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/user/CollateralTimbre#p/u/4/EOZYWhXZx0I
> 
> He lives a pretty marginal economic existence and he's so amazingly 
> inventive and creative
> that if you have the bucks,  actually buy his CD and support him.
> 
> I'd love to get him into live looping...............he'd do amazing 
> stuff if he did.
> 
> 

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This review was on the Ableton Site. They look great. I'm going to  
order 2, one big, one small.

http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=127198




On Oct 22, 2009, at 5:16 PM, Raul Bonell wrote:

> http://line6.com/footcontrollers/fbvexpressmkii.html
>
> does somebody have any experiences with this tool for controlling a  
> sw looper?
>
> -- 
> Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
> Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
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fantastic!
the hammerbow seems to be a invention that might become a mark in  
music history!
or not.
so many good inventions get lost...

I sent the link arround
Matthias

On 22 Oct 2009, at 20:37, Rick Walker wrote:

> He's not looping but check out this guy's musical inventions.
> Though not a looper,  he inspires my own looping like crazy.
>
> He plays on the streets occasionally in Santa Cruz but he generally  
> doesn't bring anything out
> except his amazing invented bowed cymbalon.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/user/CollateralTimbre#p/u/4/EOZYWhXZx0I
>
> He lives a pretty marginal economic existence and he's so amazingly  
> inventive and creative
> that if you have the bucks,  actually buy his CD and support him.
>
> I'd love to get him into live looping...............he'd do amazing  
> stuff if he did.
>

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On Oct 22, 2009, at 5:16 PM, Raul Bonell wrote:

> http://line6.com/footcontrollers/fbvexpressmkii.html
>
> does somebody have any experiences with this tool for controlling a  
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>
> -- 
> Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
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Thanks to Chris for posting the link to the write-up at the Live
forum. The Line6 MK2 looks nice! The fact that it doesn't offer banks
could be problematic for users that need access to controlling many
parameters while playing (I use 80 to 100 parameters). With an FCB1010
you can set up the ten banks ten buttons to directly target your
actions but with the Line6 MK2 you can work around it by dedicating
one or two of its buttons to swap beteen alternative routing setups in
your software. I'm not sure that can be done in Mainstage but Mobius
will let you swap "MIDI Control Setup", either directly assigned or as
part of a "Setup" as you call up that by the pedal. If using Logic,
Bidule or MAX you can build an environment that redirects, mutes or
un-mutes the target for whatever data the Line6 MK2 sends. I'm not
sure Mainstage offers such option to instantly swap targets for a
given set of external controllers (will look into it and post again of
a workaround can be found).

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com



On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Chris Sewell <lunamusic@mac.com> wrote:
> This review was on the Ableton Site. They look great. I'm going to order 2,
> one big, one small.
> http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=127198
>
>
>
> On Oct 22, 2009, at 5:16 PM, Raul Bonell wrote:
>
> http://line6.com/footcontrollers/fbvexpressmkii.html
>
> does somebody have any experiences with this tool for controlling a sw
> looper?
>
> --
> Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
> Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
>
>
>

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On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm not
> sure Mainstage offers such option to instantly swap targets for a
> given set of external controllers (will look into it and post again of
> a workaround can be found).


...but how about MIDI Pipe? I guess you could use MIDI Pipe to call up
alternative charts for remapping the Line6 MK2's output? Dedicating
one or two buttons of the pedal to scroll your list of "remapping
presets" in MIDI Pipe - awesome! Maybe my fourth FCB will be a MK2.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Per said:
> The fact that it doesn't offer banks could be problematic for users that need access to controlling many parameters while playing (I use 80 to 100 parameters).

...which is basically a problem all of us are facing to some degree,
not only with regard to MIDI controllers, especially if your music
contains a large portion of improvised material:
How to manage the tradeoff between a simple, small and easily
controllable setup and the possible wish for a huge functionality?

It's possible to do looping with one (Boss RC-2) or two (Akai
Headrush, EH SMM) footswitches. On the other hand, Mobius functions
easily take up more than 30 footswitches, and then you still have a
lot of context-sensitive behaviour (aka "alternate endings").

So how far can you go with the four footswitches (and one exp pedal)
the Line6 has to offer? Is it only the feature set of a DL4 and
nothing more, or are there ways around it?

First of all, in theory (and using a sophisticated MIDI handling, and
I'm not saying that it's nice to operate), you can put the exp pedal
into the equation: give every switch a different function depending on
the pedal being "toe", "heel", "upper half" or "lower half". Voila,
you already have 16 different assignments.

Another idea is to actually work within a composed framework - which
does not specifiy any content, only the processing (including looping)
applied within a flowchart. For that, you basically need two
footswitches ("go to next step" and "branch to alternative path"), so
you still have two to spare (e.g. one for tap tempo and one for sudden
ending/reset/panic/whatever).
Something like that works quite well e.g. in Ableton Live, although
implementing the different automation you need for effects, Mobius
etc. will be much more of a challenge than to simply play a nice piece
of music ;).

         Rainer

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4 buttons would be hard for me. I could easily do a single bank fs,
dedicating two buttons to "virtual bank switching" in the computer, but I
find different banks to be an impediment to simplicity in performance, so
I'd prefer more buttons in a single bank -15 would be awesome!

one thing I have started doing lately is using some keys on the computer kbd
and some pads on the Trigger Finger to take some of the load off the
footpedal. One difficulty with keystrokes, tho, is that is that the correct
program has to be in the foreground to receive the keystrokes - it'd be nice
to have a keystroke router that would intercept all keystrokes and route
them to 3 programs, which could separately decide whether or not to react.

And, of course, there's the question of paring down the number of params
that you control in realtime to the ones that are *really* useful. That
lightens your conceptual load as well as the fs programming.

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Rainer Straschill <
moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Per said:
> > The fact that it doesn't offer banks could be problematic for users that
> need access to controlling many parameters while playing (I use 80 to 100
> parameters).
>
> ...which is basically a problem all of us are facing to some degree,
> not only with regard to MIDI controllers, especially if your music
> contains a large portion of improvised material:
> How to manage the tradeoff between a simple, small and easily
> controllable setup and the possible wish for a huge functionality?
>
> It's possible to do looping with one (Boss RC-2) or two (Akai
> Headrush, EH SMM) footswitches. On the other hand, Mobius functions
> easily take up more than 30 footswitches, and then you still have a
> lot of context-sensitive behaviour (aka "alternate endings").
>
> So how far can you go with the four footswitches (and one exp pedal)
> the Line6 has to offer? Is it only the feature set of a DL4 and
> nothing more, or are there ways around it?
>
> First of all, in theory (and using a sophisticated MIDI handling, and
> I'm not saying that it's nice to operate), you can put the exp pedal
> into the equation: give every switch a different function depending on
> the pedal being "toe", "heel", "upper half" or "lower half". Voila,
> you already have 16 different assignments.
>
> Another idea is to actually work within a composed framework - which
> does not specifiy any content, only the processing (including looping)
> applied within a flowchart. For that, you basically need two
> footswitches ("go to next step" and "branch to alternative path"), so
> you still have two to spare (e.g. one for tap tempo and one for sudden
> ending/reset/panic/whatever).
> Something like that works quite well e.g. in Ableton Live, although
> implementing the different automation you need for effects, Mobius
> etc. will be much more of a challenge than to simply play a nice piece
> of music ;).
>
>         Rainer
>
> ---
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> http://www.myspace.com/moinlabs
> http://www.twitter.com/moinlabs
> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sessions
> http://vimeo.com/moinlabs
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>
>


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4 buttons would be hard for me. I could easily do a single bank fs, dedicat=
ing two buttons to &quot;virtual bank switching&quot; in the computer, but =
I find different banks to be an impediment to simplicity in performance, so=
 I&#39;d prefer more buttons in a single bank -15 would be awesome!<br>
<br>one thing I have started doing lately is using some keys on the compute=
r kbd and some pads on the Trigger Finger to take some of the load off the =
footpedal. One difficulty with keystrokes, tho, is that is that the correct=
 program has to be in the foreground to receive the keystrokes - it&#39;d b=
e nice to have a keystroke router that would intercept all keystrokes and r=
oute them to 3 programs, which could separately decide whether or not to re=
act.<br>
<br>And, of course, there&#39;s the question of paring down the number of p=
arams that you control in realtime to the ones that are *really* useful. Th=
at lightens your conceptual load as well as the fs programming.<br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Rainer Strasch=
ill <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:moinsound@googlemail.com">moins=
ound@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt=
 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">Per said:<br>
&gt; The fact that it doesn&#39;t offer banks could be problematic for user=
s that need access to controlling many parameters while playing (I use 80 t=
o 100 parameters).<br>
<br>
</div>...which is basically a problem all of us are facing to some degree,<=
br>
not only with regard to MIDI controllers, especially if your music<br>
contains a large portion of improvised material:<br>
How to manage the tradeoff between a simple, small and easily<br>
controllable setup and the possible wish for a huge functionality?<br>
<br>
It&#39;s possible to do looping with one (Boss RC-2) or two (Akai<br>
Headrush, EH SMM) footswitches. On the other hand, Mobius functions<br>
easily take up more than 30 footswitches, and then you still have a<br>
lot of context-sensitive behaviour (aka &quot;alternate endings&quot;).<br>
<br>
So how far can you go with the four footswitches (and one exp pedal)<br>
the Line6 has to offer? Is it only the feature set of a DL4 and<br>
nothing more, or are there ways around it?<br>
<br>
First of all, in theory (and using a sophisticated MIDI handling, and<br>
I&#39;m not saying that it&#39;s nice to operate), you can put the exp peda=
l<br>
into the equation: give every switch a different function depending on<br>
the pedal being &quot;toe&quot;, &quot;heel&quot;, &quot;upper half&quot; o=
r &quot;lower half&quot;. Voila,<br>
you already have 16 different assignments.<br>
<br>
Another idea is to actually work within a composed framework - which<br>
does not specifiy any content, only the processing (including looping)<br>
applied within a flowchart. For that, you basically need two<br>
footswitches (&quot;go to next step&quot; and &quot;branch to alternative p=
ath&quot;), so<br>
you still have two to spare (e.g. one for tap tempo and one for sudden<br>
ending/reset/panic/whatever).<br>
Something like that works quite well e.g. in Ableton Live, although<br>
implementing the different automation you need for effects, Mobius<br>
etc. will be much more of a challenge than to simply play a nice piece<br>
of music ;).<br>
<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Rainer<br>
<br>
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space.com/moinlabs</a><br>
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itter.com/moinlabs</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sessions" tar=
get=3D"_blank">http://www.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sessions<=
/a><br>
<a href=3D"http://vimeo.com/moinlabs" target=3D"_blank">http://vimeo.com/mo=
inlabs</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/straschill/" target=3D"_blank">=
http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/straschill/</a><br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Warren<br><a href=3D"ht=
tp://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=3D6679">http://www.ubetoo.com/Arti=
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I always thought a modular version of the FCB would be cool. With  
slightly smaller buttons, you could have a unit with 2, 4, or 8  
buttons, or more. Mix and match as needed. Add expression pedals only  
if you need them. Compatibility with a Novation style button and  
slider controller would be really useful. All one system, all using  
the same software editor all through the same USB port. I actually  
surprised nobody has done this. Midi controllers are so common now  
and clearly they have a market. Add Bluetooth control and it would be  
close to perfect.



On Oct 23, 2009, at 10:25 AM, Warren Sirota wrote:

> 4 buttons would be hard for me. I could easily do a single bank fs,  
> dedicating two buttons to "virtual bank switching" in the computer,  
> but I find different banks to be an impediment to simplicity in  
> performance, so I'd prefer more buttons in a single bank -15 would  
> be awesome!
>
> one thing I have started doing lately is using some keys on the  
> computer kbd and some pads on the Trigger Finger to take some of  
> the load off the footpedal. One difficulty with keystrokes, tho, is  
> that is that the correct program has to be in the foreground to  
> receive the keystrokes - it'd be nice to have a keystroke router  
> that would intercept all keystrokes and route them to 3 programs,  
> which could separately decide whether or not to react.
>
> And, of course, there's the question of paring down the number of  
> params that you control in realtime to the ones that are *really*  
> useful. That lightens your conceptual load as well as the fs  
> programming.
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Rainer Straschill  
> <moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Per said:
> > The fact that it doesn't offer banks could be problematic for  
> users that need access to controlling many parameters while playing  
> (I use 80 to 100 parameters).
>
> ...which is basically a problem all of us are facing to some degree,
> not only with regard to MIDI controllers, especially if your music
> contains a large portion of improvised material:
> How to manage the tradeoff between a simple, small and easily
> controllable setup and the possible wish for a huge functionality?
>
> It's possible to do looping with one (Boss RC-2) or two (Akai
> Headrush, EH SMM) footswitches. On the other hand, Mobius functions
> easily take up more than 30 footswitches, and then you still have a
> lot of context-sensitive behaviour (aka "alternate endings").
>
> So how far can you go with the four footswitches (and one exp pedal)
> the Line6 has to offer? Is it only the feature set of a DL4 and
> nothing more, or are there ways around it?
>
> First of all, in theory (and using a sophisticated MIDI handling, and
> I'm not saying that it's nice to operate), you can put the exp pedal
> into the equation: give every switch a different function depending on
> the pedal being "toe", "heel", "upper half" or "lower half". Voila,
> you already have 16 different assignments.
>
> Another idea is to actually work within a composed framework - which
> does not specifiy any content, only the processing (including looping)
> applied within a flowchart. For that, you basically need two
> footswitches ("go to next step" and "branch to alternative path"), so
> you still have two to spare (e.g. one for tap tempo and one for sudden
> ending/reset/panic/whatever).
> Something like that works quite well e.g. in Ableton Live, although
> implementing the different automation you need for effects, Mobius
> etc. will be much more of a challenge than to simply play a nice piece
> of music ;).
>
>         Rainer
>
> ---
> http://moinlabs.de
> http://www.myspace.com/moinlabs
> http://www.twitter.com/moinlabs
> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sessions
> http://vimeo.com/moinlabs
> http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/straschill/
>
>
>
>
> -- 
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<html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>I always thought a modular =
version of the FCB would be cool. With slightly smaller buttons, you =
could have a unit with 2, 4, or 8 buttons, or more. Mix and match as =
needed. Add expression pedals only if you need them.=A0Compatibility=A0wit=
h a Novation style button and slider controller would be really useful. =
All one system, all using the same software editor all through the same =
USB port. I actually surprised nobody has done this. Midi controllers =
are so common now and clearly they have a market. Add Bluetooth control =
and it would be close to =
perfect.=A0<br><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On =
Oct 23, 2009, at 10:25 AM, Warren Sirota wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite">4 buttons =
would be hard for me. I could easily do a single bank fs, dedicating two =
buttons to "virtual bank switching" in the computer, but I find =
different banks to be an impediment to simplicity in performance, so I'd =
prefer more buttons in a single bank -15 would be awesome!<br> <br>one =
thing I have started doing lately is using some keys on the computer kbd =
and some pads on the Trigger Finger to take some of the load off the =
footpedal. One difficulty with keystrokes, tho, is that is that the =
correct program has to be in the foreground to receive the keystrokes - =
it'd be nice to have a keystroke router that would intercept all =
keystrokes and route them to 3 programs, which could separately decide =
whether or not to react.<br> <br>And, of course, there's the question of =
paring down the number of params that you control in realtime to the =
ones that are *really* useful. That lightens your conceptual load as =
well as the fs programming.<br><br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, =
Oct 23, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Rainer Straschill <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:moinsound@googlemail.com">moinsound@googlemail.com</a>></sp=
an> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: =
1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: =
1ex;"> <div class=3D"im">Per said:<br> > The fact that it doesn't offer =
banks could be problematic for users that need access to controlling =
many parameters while playing (I use 80 to 100 parameters).<br> <br> =
</div>...which is basically a problem all of us are facing to some =
degree,<br> not only with regard to MIDI controllers, especially if your =
music<br> contains a large portion of improvised material:<br> How to =
manage the tradeoff between a simple, small and easily<br> controllable =
setup and the possible wish for a huge functionality?<br> <br> It's =
possible to do looping with one (Boss RC-2) or two (Akai<br> Headrush, =
EH SMM) footswitches. On the other hand, Mobius functions<br> easily =
take up more than 30 footswitches, and then you still have a<br> lot of =
context-sensitive behaviour (aka "alternate endings").<br> <br> So how =
far can you go with the four footswitches (and one exp pedal)<br> the =
Line6 has to offer? Is it only the feature set of a DL4 and<br> nothing =
more, or are there ways around it?<br> <br> First of all, in theory (and =
using a sophisticated MIDI handling, and<br> I'm not saying that it's =
nice to operate), you can put the exp pedal<br> into the equation: give =
every switch a different function depending on<br> the pedal being =
"toe", "heel", "upper half" or "lower half". Voila,<br> you already have =
16 different assignments.<br> <br> Another idea is to actually work =
within a composed framework - which<br> does not specifiy any content, =
only the processing (including looping)<br> applied within a flowchart. =
For that, you basically need two<br> footswitches ("go to next step" and =
"branch to alternative path"), so<br> you still have two to spare (e.g. =
one for tap tempo and one for sudden<br> =
ending/reset/panic/whatever).<br> Something like that works quite well =
e.g. in Ableton Live, although<br> implementing the different automation =
you need for effects, Mobius<br> etc. will be much more of a challenge =
than to simply play a nice piece<br> of music ;).<br> <br> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=
 Rainer<br> <br> ---<br> <a href=3D"http://moinlabs.de" =
target=3D"_blank">http://moinlabs.de</a><br> <a =
href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/moinlabs" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.myspace.com/moinlabs</a><br> <a =
href=3D"http://www.twitter.com/moinlabs" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.twitter.com/moinlabs</a><br> <a =
href=3D"http://www.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sessions" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sessi=
ons</a><br> <a href=3D"http://vimeo.com/moinlabs" =
target=3D"_blank">http://vimeo.com/moinlabs</a><br> <a =
href=3D"http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/straschill/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/straschill/</a><br> =
<br> </blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Warren<br><a =
href=3D"http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=3D6679">http://www.ubet=
oo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=3D6679</a><br><a =
href=3D"http://www.warrensirota.com">http://www.warrensirota.com</a><br> =
</blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>=

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allright guys sio how in hell is this guy doing this?=0A=0Ahttp://www.youtu=
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hniques ive encountered so far!=0A=0Awww.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A=
      

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> Per said:
>> The fact that it doesn't offer banks could be problematic for users that need access to controlling many parameters while playing (I use 80 to 100 parameters).

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Rainer Straschill
<moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote:

> ...which is basically a problem all of us are facing to some degree,
> not only with regard to MIDI controllers, especially if your music
> contains a large portion of improvised material:
> How to manage the tradeoff between a simple, small and easily
> controllable setup and the possible wish for a huge functionality?


A very intersting topic! My usual answer to that is very simple: Start
in the music and not in the technology! Assemble related musical
gestures assigned to a button set of the same bank. For example, you
may like to have an Overdube or Substitute button handy in each bank.
Also some may want a feedback expression pedal always accessible while
others think they better need a looper input volume pedal on that
degree. This is about music performance ergonomics and it all depends
on how you want to play.

If I wouldn't be so delighted with making music on the fly that goes
through all kind of improvised chord changes then I could do just fine
with less foot buttons. Line6 with MIDI Pipe would be one step better
for me than my recent FCB1010. Trading off one expression pedal to get
more instantly accessible stomp buttons to even access a full octave
for my pitch relevant commands.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com

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Sincerily, I don't know how  this guy can do this, the only thing i
know is that i don't want do that! <br>
;-)  greetings!<br>
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Max Liver<br>
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L.Angulo ha scritto:
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  <pre wrap="">allright guys sio how in hell is this guy doing this?

<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKhxifzgSuk">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKhxifzgSuk</a>

ive never owned a kaos pad but seems like he has more than one is he looping into them and then post proccesing with them? this type of looping techiniques seems quite advanced than other techniques ive encountered so far!

<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom">www.myspace.com/luisangulocom</a>


      



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and, for me, i'd rather have something cheaper, lighter and perhaps less
durable than an army tank. it's ok if i have to replace a $100 pedal every
two years if i can save 10 pounds.

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Chris Sewell <lunamusic@mac.com> wrote:

> I always thought a modular version of the FCB would be cool. With slightly
> smaller buttons, you could have a unit with 2, 4, or 8 buttons, or more. Mix
> and match as needed. Add expression pedals only if you need
> them. Compatibility with a Novation style button and slider controller would
> be really useful. All one system, all using the same software editor all
> through the same USB port. I actually surprised nobody has done this. Midi
> controllers are so common now and clearly they have a market. Add Bluetooth
> control and it would be close to perfect.
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 23, 2009, at 10:25 AM, Warren Sirota wrote:
>
> 4 buttons would be hard for me. I could easily do a single bank fs,
> dedicating two buttons to "virtual bank switching" in the computer, but I
> find different banks to be an impediment to simplicity in performance, so
> I'd prefer more buttons in a single bank -15 would be awesome!
>
> one thing I have started doing lately is using some keys on the computer
> kbd and some pads on the Trigger Finger to take some of the load off the
> footpedal. One difficulty with keystrokes, tho, is that is that the correct
> program has to be in the foreground to receive the keystrokes - it'd be nice
> to have a keystroke router that would intercept all keystrokes and route
> them to 3 programs, which could separately decide whether or not to react.
>
> And, of course, there's the question of paring down the number of params
> that you control in realtime to the ones that are *really* useful. That
> lightens your conceptual load as well as the fs programming.
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Rainer Straschill <
> moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Per said:
>> > The fact that it doesn't offer banks could be problematic for users that
>> need access to controlling many parameters while playing (I use 80 to 100
>> parameters).
>>
>> ...which is basically a problem all of us are facing to some degree,
>> not only with regard to MIDI controllers, especially if your music
>> contains a large portion of improvised material:
>> How to manage the tradeoff between a simple, small and easily
>> controllable setup and the possible wish for a huge functionality?
>>
>> It's possible to do looping with one (Boss RC-2) or two (Akai
>> Headrush, EH SMM) footswitches. On the other hand, Mobius functions
>> easily take up more than 30 footswitches, and then you still have a
>> lot of context-sensitive behaviour (aka "alternate endings").
>>
>> So how far can you go with the four footswitches (and one exp pedal)
>> the Line6 has to offer? Is it only the feature set of a DL4 and
>> nothing more, or are there ways around it?
>>
>> First of all, in theory (and using a sophisticated MIDI handling, and
>> I'm not saying that it's nice to operate), you can put the exp pedal
>> into the equation: give every switch a different function depending on
>> the pedal being "toe", "heel", "upper half" or "lower half". Voila,
>> you already have 16 different assignments.
>>
>> Another idea is to actually work within a composed framework - which
>> does not specifiy any content, only the processing (including looping)
>> applied within a flowchart. For that, you basically need two
>> footswitches ("go to next step" and "branch to alternative path"), so
>> you still have two to spare (e.g. one for tap tempo and one for sudden
>> ending/reset/panic/whatever).
>> Something like that works quite well e.g. in Ableton Live, although
>> implementing the different automation you need for effects, Mobius
>> etc. will be much more of a challenge than to simply play a nice piece
>> of music ;).
>>
>>         Rainer
>>
>> ---
>> http://moinlabs.de
>> http://www.myspace.com/moinlabs
>> http://www.twitter.com/moinlabs
>> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sessions
>> http://vimeo.com/moinlabs
>> http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/straschill/
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Warren
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>
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every two years if i can save 10 pounds.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Chris Sewell <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:lunamusic@mac.com">lunamusic@mac.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 2=
04, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word;"><div>I always thought a modular versi=
on of the FCB would be cool. With slightly smaller buttons, you could have =
a unit with 2, 4, or 8 buttons, or more. Mix and match as needed. Add expre=
ssion pedals only if you need them.=A0Compatibility=A0with a Novation style=
 button and slider controller would be really useful. All one system, all u=
sing the same software editor all through the same USB port. I actually sur=
prised nobody has done this. Midi controllers are so common now and clearly=
 they have a market. Add Bluetooth control and it would be close to perfect=
.=A0<div>
<div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><b=
r></div><div>On Oct 23, 2009, at 10:25 AM, Warren Sirota wrote:</div><br><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite">4 buttons would be hard for me. I could easily do a=
 single bank fs, dedicating two buttons to &quot;virtual bank switching&quo=
t; in the computer, but I find different banks to be an impediment to simpl=
icity in performance, so I&#39;d prefer more buttons in a single bank -15 w=
ould be awesome!<br>
 <br>one thing I have started doing lately is using some keys on the comput=
er kbd and some pads on the Trigger Finger to take some of the load off the=
 footpedal. One difficulty with keystrokes, tho, is that is that the correc=
t program has to be in the foreground to receive the keystrokes - it&#39;d =
be nice to have a keystroke router that would intercept all keystrokes and =
route them to 3 programs, which could separately decide whether or not to r=
eact.<br>
 <br>And, of course, there&#39;s the question of paring down the number of =
params that you control in realtime to the ones that are *really* useful. T=
hat lightens your conceptual load as well as the fs programming.<br><br>
 <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Rainer Strasc=
hill <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:moinsound@googlemail.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">moinsound@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); =
margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
 <div>Per said:<br> &gt; The fact that it doesn&#39;t offer banks could be =
problematic for users that need access to controlling many parameters while=
 playing (I use 80 to 100 parameters).<br> <br> </div>...which is basically=
 a problem all of us are facing to some degree,<br>
 not only with regard to MIDI controllers, especially if your music<br> con=
tains a large portion of improvised material:<br> How to manage the tradeof=
f between a simple, small and easily<br> controllable setup and the possibl=
e wish for a huge functionality?<br>
 <br> It&#39;s possible to do looping with one (Boss RC-2) or two (Akai<br>=
 Headrush, EH SMM) footswitches. On the other hand, Mobius functions<br> ea=
sily take up more than 30 footswitches, and then you still have a<br> lot o=
f context-sensitive behaviour (aka &quot;alternate endings&quot;).<br>
 <br> So how far can you go with the four footswitches (and one exp pedal)<=
br> the Line6 has to offer? Is it only the feature set of a DL4 and<br> not=
hing more, or are there ways around it?<br> <br> First of all, in theory (a=
nd using a sophisticated MIDI handling, and<br>
 I&#39;m not saying that it&#39;s nice to operate), you can put the exp ped=
al<br> into the equation: give every switch a different function depending =
on<br> the pedal being &quot;toe&quot;, &quot;heel&quot;, &quot;upper half&=
quot; or &quot;lower half&quot;. Voila,<br>
 you already have 16 different assignments.<br> <br> Another idea is to act=
ually work within a composed framework - which<br> does not specifiy any co=
ntent, only the processing (including looping)<br> applied within a flowcha=
rt. For that, you basically need two<br>
 footswitches (&quot;go to next step&quot; and &quot;branch to alternative =
path&quot;), so<br> you still have two to spare (e.g. one for tap tempo and=
 one for sudden<br> ending/reset/panic/whatever).<br> Something like that w=
orks quite well e.g. in Ableton Live, although<br>
 implementing the different automation you need for effects, Mobius<br> etc=
. will be much more of a challenge than to simply play a nice piece<br> of =
music ;).<br> <br> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Rainer<br> <br> ---<br> <a href=3D"http:=
//moinlabs.de" target=3D"_blank">http://moinlabs.de</a><br>
 <a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/moinlabs" target=3D"_blank">http://www.m=
yspace.com/moinlabs</a><br> <a href=3D"http://www.twitter.com/moinlabs" tar=
get=3D"_blank">http://www.twitter.com/moinlabs</a><br> <a href=3D"http://ww=
w.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sessions" target=3D"_blank">http:=
//www.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sessions</a><br>
 <a href=3D"http://vimeo.com/moinlabs" target=3D"_blank">http://vimeo.com/m=
oinlabs</a><br> <a href=3D"http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/straschill/" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/straschill/</a><br> <br> <=
/blockquote>
</div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Warren<br><a href=3D"http://www.ubet=
oo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=3D6679" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ubetoo.com=
/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=3D6679</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.warrensirota.com"=
 target=3D"_blank">http://www.warrensirota.com</a><br>
 </blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br><br =
clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Warren<br><a href=3D"http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.=
taf?_ArtistId=3D6679">http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=3D6679</a>=
<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.warrensirota.com">http://www.warrensirota.com</a><br>

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That Beardyman vid is pretty off the hook! Wow, four kaos pads, no feet!


On Oct 23, 2009, at 7:49 AM, L.Angulo wrote:

> allright guys sio how in hell is this guy doing this?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKhxifzgSuk
>
> ive never owned a kaos pad but seems like he has more than one is  
> he looping into them and then post proccesing with them? this type  
> of looping techiniques seems quite advanced than other techniques  
> ive encountered so far!
>
> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>
>
>
>

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from all of the Beardyman video I have watched, I believe he is doing  
everything in the Kaos pads..

-cpr

Quoting "L.Angulo" <labaloops@yahoo.com>:

> allright guys sio how in hell is this guy doing this?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKhxifzgSuk
>
> ive never owned a kaos pad but seems like he has more than one is he  
>  looping into them and then post proccesing with them? this type of   
> looping techiniques seems quite advanced than other techniques ive   
> encountered so far!
>
> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>
>
>
>
>


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For those people looking for something like this.. :)

http://unrecnow.com/dust/1827

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On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Rainer Straschill
<moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote:
> ...which is basically a problem all of us are facing to some degree,
> not only with regard to MIDI controllers, especially if your music
> contains a large portion of improvised material:

It also depends on the type of instrument you are using and the genre
or style you play. As a keyboardist, I often can't see the fc pedals
well while a guitarist has a clear view towards the floor. In addition
to that, if you take your time to build up your piece, you have much
more time to push the right button, switch banks etc In that case,
even guitar players could use additional hand controllers to change
effect settings for example.

I still don't know what works the best for me, so I have been testing
with 3 controllers at the y2kloopfest ;-) 2 hand controllers and 1
foot controller. Several functions were setup multiple times on
different devices, like record. To give you an example, all my
pre-loopers like Augustus and Crossfade Loopsynth were setup on the
Korg and on the Novation on template 1. Template 2 of the Novation
contained all the looper functions like half speed, reverse, pan,
volume, feedback (per track) plus PC's for Mainstage + input gain.
Anyway, it appeared that I have used the Novation to control the
looper, the Korg to control the Mainstage pre-loopers and I have used
the Gordius to initialize all devices to an preset stage. I prefer to
have a dedicated controller for a group of functions and if possible,
I try to avoid to switch banks/templates or "group of functions"
because that easily leads to mistakes, at least with me. But banks
offer you multiple sets of functions which I definitely need so

> How to manage the tradeoff between a simple, small and easily
> controllable setup and the possible wish for a huge functionality?

So, this wasn't certainly my last setup change. The next major change
will be the way I have setup Mainstage. My pre-loopers will be moved
from the concert level to the patch level and I will use multiple
layers on different midi channels to trigger different sounds in stead
of using program changes to switch to a different (single sound)
patch. Only the loopers will stay at the concert level, that's ok.
This will further simplify the setup of the pre-looper controllers, I
won't need as many which is good. To be continued :)
--
Sjaak Overgaauw
http://premonitionfactory.com/
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There is a boss rc-50 on his left. Not sure if that explains the looping.

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:21 AM, <cpr@musetrap.com> wrote:

> from all of the Beardyman video I have watched, I believe he is doing
> everything in the Kaos pads..
>
> -cpr
>
>
> Quoting "L.Angulo" <labaloops@yahoo.com>:
>
>  allright guys sio how in hell is this guy doing this?
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKhxifzgSuk
>>
>> ive never owned a kaos pad but seems like he has more than one is he
>>  looping into them and then post proccesing with them? this type of  looping
>> techiniques seems quite advanced than other techniques ive  encountered so
>> far!
>>
>> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

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There is a boss rc-50 on his left. Not sure if that explains the looping.<b=
r><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:21 AM,  <span d=
ir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cpr@musetrap.com">cpr@musetrap.com</a>&gt;=
</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">from all of the B=
eardyman video I have watched, I believe he is doing everything in the Kaos=
 pads..<br>

<br>
-cpr<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
Quoting &quot;L.Angulo&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com" tar=
get=3D"_blank">labaloops@yahoo.com</a>&gt;:<br>
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allright guys sio how in hell is this guy doing this?<br>
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<a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DOKhxifzgSuk" target=3D"_blank">=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DOKhxifzgSuk</a><br>
<br>
ive never owned a kaos pad but seems like he has more than one is he =A0loo=
ping into them and then post proccesing with them? this type of =A0looping =
techiniques seems quite advanced than other techniques ive =A0encountered s=
o far!<br>

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<a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom" target=3D"_blank">www.mysp=
ace.com/luisangulocom</a><br>
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On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 5:30 PM,  <cpr@musetrap.com> wrote:
> For those people looking for something like this.. :)
>
> http://unrecnow.com/dust/1827


Excellent!

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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www.perboysen.com

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[Rainer Straschill]
> Another idea is to actually work within a composed framework - which
> does not specifiy any content, only the processing (including looping)
> applied within a flowchart.=20

I think the Mobius user that goes by FRO did something like this.
He uses a set of scripts that maintain state in global variables,
then advances from one state to the next using one footswitch.
He displays a non-decaying message in the UI to show what the
current state is.  I seem to remember at least one other user=20
trying this but I don't remember the names. =20

It works but I would imagine that if your performance doesn't
go exactly right it would be complicated to script the right
undo steps so you can start over.  Or if you forget where you
are something "unexpected" might happen.

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This is slightly off topic, but did anyone else notice the "arm
controller" that Onyx was using at the loopfest?

It looked to me like an iTouch or iPhone strapped to his forearm, so
I'm betting he was using TouchOSC to send OSC messages over WiFi to
his Mac to control either the looper or the effects.  Very cool.

Jeff

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whenever he used his arm control?  Gee, does this
date me :-)

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I was impressed by that as well. Great performance Onyx! Very Cool!

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> w=
rote:
>
> This is slightly off topic, but did anyone else notice the "arm
> controller" that Onyx was using at the loopfest?
>
> It looked to me like an iTouch or iPhone strapped to his forearm, so
> I'm betting he was using TouchOSC to send OSC messages over WiFi to
> his Mac to control either the looper or the effects. =A0Very cool.
>
> Jeff
>
> BTW, Was it just me or did anyone else think of Space Ghost
> whenever he used his arm control? =A0Gee, does this
> date me :-)
>
>



--=20
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The NAMM Show posted the exhibitors map today.  Looperlative is moving 
upstairs to Hall A Booth 6244 this coming January.  Any of you that make it 
to the show.  Please stop by and say hello.  We are directly across from 
Korg.

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Luis said:
> allright guys sio how in hell is this guy doing this?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKhxifzgSuk

The KP3 Kaoss Pad (of which he has 4) basically offers two
functionalities at once: loop samples and effects. One important fact
I'm pointing out right at the beginning is that for the loops (and for
a lot of the effects), the tempo (set by tapping, selecting a bpm or
syncing to MIDI) is a prerequisite.

1. Loop Samples:
There's a total of four loop samples available in memory, accessed by
the buttons below (as in player's view) the touch pad. If you hit the
sample button, you first set the sample length (as 1,2,4,8 or 16
beats), then you hit the sample button to sample into that slot. Then,
it samples the input signal. Or, you can hit "Resample" (by hitting
shift+sample), in which case it samples the output (which contains the
input signal+running samples, both of them through the effects
section).
For each sample, you can: adjust sample volume, turn off parts of the
sample (in divisions of 1/8, which will then be skipped), and switch
between gating/running/mute/restart modes.

2. Effects:
Basically, you have a heap of effects, each of which has two
parameters (controllable via the touchpad) and which affect both the
input signal (which is always audible) and the samples. Normally, if
you remove your hand from the touchpad, the effect will be turned off
(but you can "hold" the last position or even record and play back
your finger movements on the pad). Also, there's an FX trail feature
which will fade effects in a delay when you release the pad to make
the change less abrupt.

As for it being "quite advanced" (to quote you): the KP3 works really
well if you a) got at least one hand free, b) work in a preset tempo,
c) don't need loops which are longer than four measures, d) don't want
to do anything odd (e.g. odd meters, tempo changes, decide when the
loop is going to end after starting the recording etc.). In other
words: it's great for a DJ or beatboxer doing electronic dance music
(the former being the original target market of the Kaoss series).

         Rainer

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yes i see he has an RC-50 on his side though hes just pushing buttons on th=
e kaos pad the whole time,but whats cool is the flow of the whole thing wit=
h such short loops=0Awww.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A--- cpr@musetrap=
.com <cpr@musetrap.com> schrieb am Fr, 23.10.2009:=0A=0A> Von: cpr@musetrap=
.com <cpr@musetrap.com>=0A> Betreff: Re: beardyman=0A> An: Loopers-Delight@=
loopers-delight.com=0A> Datum: Freitag, 23. Oktober 2009, 8:21=0A> from all=
 of the Beardyman video I=0A> have watched, I believe he is doing everythin=
g in the Kaos=0A> pads..=0A> =0A> -cpr=0A> =0A> Quoting "L.Angulo" <labaloo=
ps@yahoo.com>:=0A> =0A> > allright guys sio how in hell is this guy doing t=
his?=0A> > =0A> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DOKhxifzgSuk=0A> > =0A> >=
 ive never owned a kaos pad but seems like he has more=0A> than one is he=
=A0 looping into them and then post=0A> proccesing with them? this type of=
=A0 looping techiniques=0A> seems quite advanced than other techniques ive=
=A0=0A> encountered so far!=0A> > =0A> > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A> =
> =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A=0A=0A      

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wow man thanx for the explanation Rainer,ive always hear of the Kaos pad th=
orugh this list in fact but never thought how powerful it is,guess i never =
saw such performances with it used to the max, pretty nifty!=0A=0Awww.myspa=
ce.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A--- Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.co=
m> schrieb am Fr, 23.10.2009:=0A=0A> Von: Rainer Straschill <moinsound@goog=
lemail.com>=0A> Betreff: re: beardyman=0A> An: loopers-delight@loopers-deli=
ght.com=0A> Datum: Freitag, 23. Oktober 2009, 12:48=0A> Luis said:=0A> > al=
lright guys sio how in hell is this guy doing this?=0A> > http://www.youtub=
e.com/watch?v=3DOKhxifzgSuk=0A> =0A> The KP3 Kaoss Pad (of which he has 4) =
basically offers two=0A> functionalities at once: loop samples and effects.=
 One=0A> important fact=0A> I'm pointing out right at the beginning is that=
 for the=0A> loops (and for=0A> a lot of the effects), the tempo (set by ta=
pping, selecting=0A> a bpm or=0A> syncing to MIDI) is a prerequisite.=0A> =
=0A> 1. Loop Samples:=0A> There's a total of four loop samples available in=
 memory,=0A> accessed by=0A> the buttons below (as in player's view) the to=
uch pad. If=0A> you hit the=0A> sample button, you first set the sample len=
gth (as 1,2,4,8=0A> or 16=0A> beats), then you hit the sample button to sam=
ple into that=0A> slot. Then,=0A> it samples the input signal. Or, you can =
hit "Resample" (by=0A> hitting=0A> shift+sample), in which case it samples =
the output (which=0A> contains the=0A> input signal+running samples, both o=
f them through the=0A> effects=0A> section).=0A> For each sample, you can: =
adjust sample volume, turn off=0A> parts of the=0A> sample (in divisions of=
 1/8, which will then be skipped),=0A> and switch=0A> between gating/runnin=
g/mute/restart modes.=0A> =0A> 2. Effects:=0A> Basically, you have a heap o=
f effects, each of which has=0A> two=0A> parameters (controllable via the t=
ouchpad) and which affect=0A> both the=0A> input signal (which is always au=
dible) and the samples.=0A> Normally, if=0A> you remove your hand from the =
touchpad, the effect will be=0A> turned off=0A> (but you can "hold" the las=
t position or even record and=0A> play back=0A> your finger movements on th=
e pad). Also, there's an FX=0A> trail feature=0A> which will fade effects i=
n a delay when you release the pad=0A> to make=0A> the change less abrupt.=
=0A> =0A> As for it being "quite advanced" (to quote you): the KP3=0A> work=
s really=0A> well if you a) got at least one hand free, b) work in a=0A> pr=
eset tempo,=0A> c) don't need loops which are longer than four measures, d)=
=0A> don't want=0A> to do anything odd (e.g. odd meters, tempo changes, dec=
ide=0A> when the=0A> loop is going to end after starting the recording etc.=
). In=0A> other=0A> words: it's great for a DJ or beatboxer doing electroni=
c=0A> dance music=0A> (the former being the original target market of the K=
aoss=0A> series).=0A> =0A> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0Rainer=0A> =0A> =0A=0A=0A  =
    

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anything new on the LP boot Bob? at least give us europeans a hint =0Ais a =
bit far for us to come and say hello;-)=0A=0Awww.myspace.com/luisangulocom=
=0A=0A=0A--- Bob Amstadt <bob@amstadt.com> schrieb am Fr, 23.10.2009:=0A=0A=
> Von: Bob Amstadt <bob@amstadt.com>=0A> Betreff: The NAMM show=0A> An: Loo=
pers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A> Datum: Freitag, 23. Oktober 2009, 12:0=
7=0A> The NAMM Show posted the exhibitors=0A> map today.=A0 Looperlative is=
 moving upstairs to Hall A=0A> Booth 6244 this coming January.=A0 Any of yo=
u that make=0A> it to the show.=A0 Please stop by and say hello.=A0 We=0A> =
are directly across from Korg.=0A> =0A> ---=0A> Bob Amstadt=0A> Looperlativ=
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Open up the FCB, and you'll see how easy converting it is.
Cut off the expression pedals.  And/or cut the other end shorter to let 
go of some buttons and rearrange the remaining buttons via a DIY-easy 
custom wiring mesh.
The controller/software doesn't care if not all buttons and/or pedals 
are 'there'; it doesn't test who's at home..



Chris Sewell wrote:
> I always thought a modular version of the FCB would be cool. With 
> slightly smaller buttons, you could have a unit with 2, 4, or 8 buttons, 
> or more. Mix and match as needed. Add expression pedals only if you need 
> them. Compatibility with a Novation style button and slider controller 
> would be really useful. All one system, all using the same software 
> editor all through the same USB port. I actually surprised nobody has 
> done this. Midi controllers are so common now and clearly they have a 
> market. Add Bluetooth control and it would be close to perfect. 


-- 
rgds,
van Sinn

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Rick previewed a new looping pedal at the festival last weekend.  It will be 
completed before NAMM.  I also hope to have a couple of other products to 
introduce at the show, but it is much too early to say anything about them.

---
Bob Amstadt
Looperlative Audio Products
(408) 921-LOOP


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anything new on the LP boot Bob? at least give us europeans a hint
is a bit far for us to come and say hello;-)

www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


--- Bob Amstadt <bob@amstadt.com> schrieb am Fr, 23.10.2009:

> Von: Bob Amstadt <bob@amstadt.com>
> Betreff: The NAMM show
> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Datum: Freitag, 23. Oktober 2009, 12:07
> The NAMM Show posted the exhibitors
> map today. Looperlative is moving upstairs to Hall A
> Booth 6244 this coming January. Any of you that make
> it to the show. Please stop by and say hello. We
> are directly across from Korg.
>
> ---
> Bob Amstadt
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Re: Greetings From Mrs Comfort Ibruni And Son
C/17 Afoturu Akpakpa
Cotonou
Benin Republic.
Email... mrsibruni0009@gmail.com


Dearest Friend,

It is my great pleasure and the trust which I have on you, though we have n=
ot met before, neither have we seen for the first time, but before I pick u=
p your E-mail contact and write to you I prayed over it that God should dir=
ect me to a trustworthy and God fearing partner who will help me to invest =
this money in a good business of his choice and expartise.

For this will permit me to go into busines relationship with you, since I h=
ave made up my mind to make this money transfer with you. My name is Mrs Co=
mfort Ibruni 43 years old the wife of Late Benjamin Okon Ibruni who was a G=
old Marchant in Cotonou Republic of Benin and i have only one child his nam=
e is RUBEN.

My husband was poisoned to death by his business associate on one of their =
business outings to Accra Ghana,on 19th Oct 2007. Before the death of my hu=
sband on the 26th December 2007 in a private hospital here. He sincerely ca=
lled me on his bed side and told me that he had a sum of ($5M US.DOLLARS) w=
hich he deposited in Finance Firm.

He also used his name to Deposit the money and explained to me that it was =
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(1)To assist me to transfer this money into your account successfully=20
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In line with this,am willing to offer you 25% percent of the total sum as c=
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nd in your safe acc ount Below informations is what i need from you so that=
 the bank can start this transfe immediately without delay.

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e and Fax Numbers and Your full name and address. On receipt of the above m=
entioned informations, I believe that this transaction would be concluded w=
ithin 7 working days as the bank Director promised me that he will commence=
 on the transfer immediately if i provide a bank account for remittance.

I am waiting to hear from you soonest, please reply me through my private e=
mail mrsibruni0009@gmail.com

Thanks and God bless you for your kind understanding.

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<DIV><STRONG><EM><BR><BR>Dearest Friend,<BR><BR>It is my great pleasure and=
 the trust which I have on you, though we have not met before, neither have=
 we seen for the first time, but before I pick up your E-mail contact and w=
rite to you I prayed over it that God should direct me to a trustworthy and=
 God fearing partner who will help me to invest this money in a good busine=
ss of his choice and expartise.<BR><BR>For this will permit me to go into b=
usines relationship with you, since I have made up my mind to make this <SP=
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cuts id=3Dlw_1256341343_1 style=3D"CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px=
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e death of my husband on the 26th December 2007 in a private hospital here.=
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5M US.DOLLARS) which he deposited in Finance Firm.<BR><BR>He also used his =
name to Deposit the money and explained to me that it was because of his we=
alth that he was poisoned by his business associates, That i should seek fo=
r a foreign partner in a country of my choice w here I will transfer this m=
oney and use it for investment purposes, I want you to assist me by investi=
ng this money into a good business and also be a guardian over this money I=
 am
 honourably seeking for your assistance in the following ways.<BR><BR>(1)To=
 assist me to transfer this money into your account successfully <BR>(2)Top=
rovide a trust bank account where this money would be transfered <BR>(3)To =
make arrangement for me and my son to come over to your country for investm=
ent, <BR>(4)To help find admission in a good university to enable him finis=
h his educational career in your country.<BR><BR>In line with this,am willi=
ng to offer you 25% percent of the total sum as compensation for your effor=
t/input after the successfull transfer of this fund in your safe acc ount B=
elow informations is what i need from you so that the bank can start this t=
ransfe immediately without delay.<BR><BR>Your Bank name and addres together=
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Compliment,

How are you doing. Hope you have not forgotten me, I am Charles S.E the man from Nigeria who contacted you some time ago to assist me secure the release of some money accrued from the over invoicing of a contract/inheritance that was awarded by my government some time ago during the military regime.

Though you were not able to assist me conclude the transaction, I'm happy to inform you about my success in getting those funds transfered under the assistance and cooperation of a new partner from Brazil.Presently I'm in South Korea for investment projects with my own share of the total sum.

Meanwhile, i didn't forget your past efforts and attempts to assist me in transferring those funds, I made sure you are not left out the benefit of the
transaction hence I kept aside for you sum of Two Million Five Hundred Thousand United States Dollar($2,500,000.00)draft.

Please bear with me for the making the initial contact through Email.Mean while, A woman came to MY SECRETARY OFFICE few Days Ago with a letter,Claiming to be your true Representative

HERE IS THE INFORMATION BELOW:

NAME ANNE BRENDA
4031 Villa Vista
Palo Alto, CA 94306
BANK NAME: CITIBANK, ARIZONA, USA.
ACCOUNT NUMBER: 6503809008.

Please,Do reconfirm to MY SECRETARY OFFICE,as a matter of urgency if this woman is from you so that he will not be held responsible for paying into the Wrong Name. If this woman is not your Representative,You are requested to fill and send this information for verification purpose so that your VALID CERTIFIED BANK DRAFT $2,500,000.00 MILLION US DOLLARS WILL NOT BE deliver to the wrong hand please. THIS FUND IS AS A RESULT OF INHERITANCE ON YOUR BEHALF:

YOUR NAME:...............................
YOUR ADDRESS:............................
YOUR PHONE NUMBER........................
AGE......................................
SEX:.....................................
YOUR OCCUPATION/POSITION HELD..........................

I appreciated your efforts at that time very much,so feel free and get in touch with my secretary Michael Jone, l have instruct him on how to send you the
Bank draft to you. Please do let me know immediately you receive the Draft so that we can share the joy together after all the sufferings at that time.

In the moment, I'm very busy here because of the investment projects which i and my partner are having at hand, finally,remember that i had left instruction
to my secretary so as soon as you contact him, he will send the Draft to you,so feel free to get in touch with MY SECRETARY NOW.Below is the contact of my
secretary.

Michael Jone
admin_office@sify.com
Tel:+234-805-681-4318

Best Regard
Charles S.E

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I feel it would be useful to have a "freeze" effect that, while a footswitch
was held down, would seamlessly loop the previous n milliseconds of sound
(with n probably between 150 and 400 or so). This is perhaps for a solo jazz
guitar context, but there certainly are other applications. So if i had a
note that i was playing that I wanted to sustain while I drop in say, a
couple of filler chords, i could hit the button and hold it down to do this
(and, obviously, the chords would *not* be input to the freeze function). I
don't know what you'd call this - "fingerless infinite sustain"? Anyway,
maybe this is doable with one of the reverbs I have, or maybe there's some
kind of dedicated effect. any ideas?

Thanks,
Warren

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I feel it would be useful to have a &quot;freeze&quot; effect that, while a=
 footswitch was held down, would seamlessly loop the previous n millisecond=
s of sound (with n probably between 150 and 400 or so). This is perhaps for=
 a solo jazz guitar context, but there certainly are other applications. So=
 if i had a note that i was playing that I wanted to sustain while I drop i=
n say, a couple of filler chords, i could hit the button and hold it down t=
o do this (and, obviously, the chords would *not* be input to the freeze fu=
nction). I don&#39;t know what you&#39;d call this - &quot;fingerless infin=
ite sustain&quot;? Anyway, maybe this is doable with one of the reverbs I h=
ave, or maybe there&#39;s some kind of dedicated effect. any ideas?<br>
<br>Thanks,<br>Warren<br>

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You could simply call it "the freeze effect". The trick is not the
effect but how to route it related to the live signal. If using a
delay effect you should set it up to react to your momentary pedal
control by adding the wet signal to the live signal when pressed down.
When not pressed down there should be no volume and now feedback for
the effect's "wet" path, it should simply be bypassed.

When David Gilmore did this trick he froze chords and played solo over
it. Your approach to freeze one note and then back it up with chords
sounds more fun.

The VG-99 can do an awesome freeze controlled by the beam. Check out
YouTube demo's for that.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com



On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:
> I feel it would be useful to have a "freeze" effect that, while a footswitch
> was held down, would seamlessly loop the previous n milliseconds of sound
> (with n probably between 150 and 400 or so). This is perhaps for a solo jazz
> guitar context, but there certainly are other applications. So if i had a
> note that i was playing that I wanted to sustain while I drop in say, a
> couple of filler chords, i could hit the button and hold it down to do this
> (and, obviously, the chords would *not* be input to the freeze function). I
> don't know what you'd call this - "fingerless infinite sustain"? Anyway,
> maybe this is doable with one of the reverbs I have, or maybe there's some
> kind of dedicated effect. any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Warren
>

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That exists in the VG-9.

One of the D-Beam controlled features.

Play a note or a chord and wave your hand (or headstock) over the beam  
and the note or chord becomes a seamless drone.

Wave your hand (or headstock) over it again and it stops.

Quite effective.

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> I feel it would be useful to have a "freeze" effect that, while a  
> footswitch was held down, would seamlessly loop the previous n  
> milliseconds of sound (with n probably between 150 and 400 or so).  
> This is perhaps for a solo jazz guitar context, but there certainly  
> are other applications. So if i had a note that i was playing that I  
> wanted to sustain while I drop in say, a couple of filler chords, i  
> could hit the button and hold it down to do this (and, obviously,  
> the chords would *not* be input to the freeze function). I don't  
> know what you'd call this - "fingerless infinite sustain"? Anyway,  
> maybe this is doable with one of the reverbs I have, or maybe  
> there's some kind of dedicated effect. any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Warren

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don't the newer boss delay pedals have a "hold" function that does this
kinda thing? don't think you can set the hold time, but there aren't any
routing problems as such

sim

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>
>  I feel it would be useful to have a "freeze" effect that, while a
>> footswitch was held down, would seamlessly loop the previous n milliseconds
>> of sound (with n probably between 150 and 400 or so). This is perhaps for a
>> solo jazz guitar context, but there certainly are other applications. So if
>> i had a note that i was playing that I wanted to sustain while I drop in
>> say, a couple of filler chords, i could hit the button and hold it down to
>> do this (and, obviously, the chords would *not* be input to the freeze
>> function). I don't know what you'd call this - "fingerless infinite
>> sustain"? Anyway, maybe this is doable with one of the reverbs I have, or
>> maybe there's some kind of dedicated effect. any ideas?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Warren
>>
>
>

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don&#39;t the newer boss delay pedals have a &quot;hold&quot; function that=
 does this kinda thing? don&#39;t think you can set the hold time, but ther=
e aren&#39;t any routing problems as such<br><br>sim<br><br><div class=3D"g=
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On Oct 24, 2009, at 8:41 AM, Warren Sirota wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I feel it would be useful to have a &quot;freeze&quot; effect that, while a=
 footswitch was held down, would seamlessly loop the previous n millisecond=
s of sound (with n probably between 150 and 400 or so). This is perhaps for=
 a solo jazz guitar context, but there certainly are other applications. So=
 if i had a note that i was playing that I wanted to sustain while I drop i=
n say, a couple of filler chords, i could hit the button and hold it down t=
o do this (and, obviously, the chords would *not* be input to the freeze fu=
nction). I don&#39;t know what you&#39;d call this - &quot;fingerless infin=
ite sustain&quot;? Anyway, maybe this is doable with one of the reverbs I h=
ave, or maybe there&#39;s some kind of dedicated effect. any ideas?<br>

<br>
Thanks,<br>
Warren<br>
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At 8:41 AM -0700 10/24/09, Warren Sirota wrote:
>I feel it would be useful to have a "freeze" effect that, while a 
>footswitch was held down, would seamlessly loop the previous n 
>milliseconds of sound (with n probably between 150 and 400 or so).

If you're into software, take a look at the Time Freezer VST/AU ( 
http://www.timefreezer.net/ ).

Haven't used it myself, but looks interesting.

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Almost all old digital delays used to do this HOLD function, and my Roland
SPE1000 was sort f the first digital looping thing i had (before that it was
the classic 2 Revoxes)

..what would REALLY help in this context tho wold be to loop that  oooh  100
milisecs first forwards, then at the end do a reverse, then a fprward, then
a reverse.. that way there would be less bumps... wonder if something like
THAT exists....

Course i can do it on a EDP, with midi control, and sure Mobius could too,,
... but a one button hit...foor down, its holds? Hmm twicky...

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Almost all old digital delays used to do this HOLD function, and my Roland =
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ho wold be to loop that=A0 oooh=A0 100 milisecs first forwards, then at the=
 end do a reverse, then a fprward, then a reverse.. that way there would be=
 less bumps... wonder if something like THAT exists.... <br>

<br>Course i can do it on a EDP, with midi control, and sure Mobius could t=
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Minus the seamless part, this is basically a hold effect with output  
muted until one starts holding. You basically need the footswitch to  
go from in = 100%, out = 0%, feedback = 0% to in = 0%, out =100%,  
feedback = 100% with thru = 100% all the time. Seamless makes this  
harder because just grabbing the last block of time and looping it  
will rarely be seamless and you will want some crossfading.

I often play with a delay synced to my looper set to 0% feedback so  
that I get one repeat. I'll then occasionally kick it over into hold.  
It would be interesting to be able to do this with the output level  
muted until I kick it into hold. I'll have to see whether I can set up  
the Looperlative to do this in a way that's convenient to play (though  
I really need to do resolve my controller choice issues first since  
the four programmable buttons on the front are clearly insufficient  
and inconvenient).

Of course, what I really want when doing this sort of thing is an  
ability to kick into hold and then scroll an EDP-style window around  
until I get the right range of the loop. I'll find right now that I'm  
sometimes a little too slow in deciding "I should keep that". Even  
just buffering one or two cycles back would be enough to make that  
work and to provide material for smoothing the loop boundary.

Mark

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the hold function is built into the synth effect of the gt-3 as well, so i
supose it's also in the newest models gt-6,8,10 etc... works like you
described it, just holding the last played note, no chords except clusters
:-) due to the far from good tracking, so one must be very careful when
using the hold footswitch and wait until the intonation is stable.

2009/10/24 Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com>

> Minus the seamless part, this is basically a hold effect with output muted
> until one starts holding. You basically need the footswitch to go from in =
> 100%, out = 0%, feedback = 0% to in = 0%, out =100%, feedback = 100% with
> thru = 100% all the time. Seamless makes this harder because just grabbing
> the last block of time and looping it will rarely be seamless and you will
> want some crossfading.
>
> I often play with a delay synced to my looper set to 0% feedback so that I
> get one repeat. I'll then occasionally kick it over into hold. It would be
> interesting to be able to do this with the output level muted until I kick
> it into hold. I'll have to see whether I can set up the Looperlative to do
> this in a way that's convenient to play (though I really need to do resolve
> my controller choice issues first since the four programmable buttons on the
> front are clearly insufficient and inconvenient).
>
> Of course, what I really want when doing this sort of thing is an ability
> to kick into hold and then scroll an EDP-style window around until I get the
> right range of the loop. I'll find right now that I'm sometimes a little too
> slow in deciding "I should keep that". Even just buffering one or two cycles
> back would be enough to make that work and to provide material for smoothing
> the loop boundary.
>
> Mark
>
>


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the hold function is built into the synth effect of the gt-3 as well, so i =
supose it&#39;s also in the newest models gt-6,8,10 etc... works like you d=
escribed it, just holding the last played note, no chords except clusters :=
-) due to the far from good tracking, so one must be very careful when usin=
g the hold footswitch and wait until the intonation is stable. <br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/10/24 Mark Hamburg <span dir=3D"ltr">&l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:mark@grubmah.com">mark@grubmah.com</a>&gt;</span><br><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 20=
4, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Minus the seamless part, this is basically a hold effect with output muted =
until one starts holding. You basically need the footswitch to go from in =
=3D 100%, out =3D 0%, feedback =3D 0% to in =3D 0%, out =3D100%, feedback =
=3D 100% with thru =3D 100% all the time. Seamless makes this harder becaus=
e just grabbing the last block of time and looping it will rarely be seamle=
ss and you will want some crossfading.<br>

<br>
I often play with a delay synced to my looper set to 0% feedback so that I =
get one repeat. I&#39;ll then occasionally kick it over into hold. It would=
 be interesting to be able to do this with the output level muted until I k=
ick it into hold. I&#39;ll have to see whether I can set up the Looperlativ=
e to do this in a way that&#39;s convenient to play (though I really need t=
o do resolve my controller choice issues first since the four programmable =
buttons on the front are clearly insufficient and inconvenient).<br>

<br>
Of course, what I really want when doing this sort of thing is an ability t=
o kick into hold and then scroll an EDP-style window around until I get the=
 right range of the loop. I&#39;ll find right now that I&#39;m sometimes a =
little too slow in deciding &quot;I should keep that&quot;. Even just buffe=
ring one or two cycles back would be enough to make that work and to provid=
e material for smoothing the loop boundary.<br>
<font color=3D"#888888">
<br>
Mark<br>
<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Raul Bonell at B=
logger: <a href=3D"http://raulbonell.blogspot.com">http://raulbonell.blogsp=
ot.com</a><br>Chain Tape Collective: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-collective.co=
m">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
<br>

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I have several delays that will do something like this, an old Ibanez =
DD, a Digitech Digidelay, even my Boss DD 20 but not quite what your =
thinking perhaps. My Korg AX 3000G has a "Freeze" delay when you step on =
the contol pedal it very nicely repeats whatever you had been playing. =
Unfortunately when this is engagd no direct sound will be output so you =
can't play over it! The Korg also has a "hold" delay but when you hold =
the sound it continues to input the direct sound into the held mix until =
it just overloads. It seems the Lexicon Vortex could do somthing like =
this very well but it's been awhile.

Jeff
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  Just today i heard the Electro Harmonix "cathedral" reverb and it has =
a very cool hold function..
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  I feel it would be useful to have a "freeze" effect that, while a =
footswitch was held down, would seamlessly loop the previous n =
milliseconds of sound (with n probably between 150 and 400 or so). This =
is perhaps for a solo jazz guitar context, but there certainly are other =
applications. So if i had a note that i was playing that I wanted to =
sustain while I drop in say, a couple of filler chords, i could hit the =
button and hold it down to do this (and, obviously, the chords would =
*not* be input to the freeze function). I don't know what you'd call =
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> I feel it would be useful to have a "freeze" effect that, while a  
> footswitch was held down, would seamlessly loop the previous n  
> milliseconds of sound (with n probably between 150 and 400 or so).

Electro Harmonix
The Hog

it has a Freeze mode , quite like the one you are searching fro

best

b:k
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<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 13px; ">I feel it would be useful to have a "freeze" effect that, while a footswitch was held down, would seamlessly loop the previous n milliseconds of sound (with n probably between 150 and 400 or so).</span></blockquote><br><div>Electro Harmonix&nbsp;</div><div>The Hog</div><div><br></div><div>it has a Freeze mode , quite like the one you are searching fro</div><div><br></div><div>best</div><div><br></div><div>b:k</div></body></html>
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Hey that sounds sweet! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D0AIFtPtuYow

j
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Anders Bergdahl=20
  To: Loopers Delight=20
  Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 5:38 PM
  Subject: RE: Does this effect exist?


  Just today i heard the Electro Harmonix "cathedral" reverb and it has =
a very cool hold function..
  =20

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  Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 08:41:45 -0700
  Subject: Does this effect exist?
  From: wsirota@wsdesigns.com
  To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

  I feel it would be useful to have a "freeze" effect that, while a =
footswitch was held down, would seamlessly loop the previous n =
milliseconds of sound (with n probably between 150 and 400 or so). This =
is perhaps for a solo jazz guitar context, but there certainly are other =
applications. So if i had a note that i was playing that I wanted to =
sustain while I drop in say, a couple of filler chords, i could hit the =
button and hold it down to do this (and, obviously, the chords would =
*not* be input to the freeze function). I don't know what you'd call =
this - "fingerless infinite sustain"? Anyway, maybe this is doable with =
one of the reverbs I have, or maybe there's some kind of dedicated =
effect. any ideas?

  Thanks,
  Warren

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Everything everyone else said was true, Gilmour does it really well but I
believe he has his signal path split and uses a volume pedal before the
effect that creates his ambient washes. I achieve a similar effect creating
a short blank loop with feedback set between 0% and 50% depending on how
long the loop is (shorter loops needing longer decay times generally
speaking). Then I play a note or chord and hit overdub after the initial
attack (or use a volume knob swell, or line 6 swell delay effect) which
softens the sound of the loop point. I can play a not, let it drone while I
play over it and as it fades away I can add something else.  I like using
this technique with the Looperlative's scramble function to create a jittery
sounding back drop that I can continually add to as the original content is
fading away, I think Moebius has a similar effect. Also, any digital delay
that allows you to control the input signal that is feeding it (many rack
mount and plugin delays can do this) could be accessed via an expression
pedal CC command. These will yield similar results, that of the notes
sustaining for a protracted length of time, but may not be the freeze
control you seek.

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it
really well but I believe he has his signal path split and uses a volume =
pedal
before the effect that creates his ambient washes. I achieve a similar =
effect
creating a short blank loop with feedback set between 0% and 50% =
depending on
how long the loop is (shorter loops needing longer decay times generally
speaking). Then I play a note or chord and hit overdub after the initial =
attack
(or use a volume knob swell, or line 6 swell delay effect) which softens =
the
sound of the loop point. I can play a not, let it drone while I play =
over it
and as it fades away I can add something else. &nbsp;I like using this
technique with the Looperlative&#8217;s scramble function to create a =
jittery
sounding back drop that I can continually add to as the original content =
is
fading away, I think Moebius has a similar effect. Also, any digital =
delay that
allows you to control the input signal that is feeding it (many rack =
mount and plugin
delays can do this) could be accessed via an expression pedal CC =
command. These
will yield similar results, that of the notes sustaining for a =
protracted
length of time, but may not be the freeze control you =
seek.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Not sure if this is the "freeze" you are looking for Warren, but
FreeverbToo has a very nice freeze function:
http://www.sinusweb.de/freetoo.html
PC only unfortunately.

On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Jeff Duke <jeff_d@embarqmail.com> wrote:
> Hey that sounds sweet! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D0AIFtPtuYow
>
> j
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Anders Bergdahl
> To: Loopers Delight
> Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 5:38 PM
> Subject: RE: Does this effect exist?
> Just today i heard the Electro Harmonix "cathedral" reverb and it=A0has a=
 very
> cool hold=A0function..
>
> ________________________________
> Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 08:41:45 -0700
> Subject: Does this effect exist?
> From: wsirota@wsdesigns.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>
> I feel it would be useful to have a "freeze" effect that, while a footswi=
tch
> was held down, would seamlessly loop the previous n milliseconds of sound
> (with n probably between 150 and 400 or so). This is perhaps for a solo j=
azz
> guitar context, but there certainly are other applications. So if i had a
> note that i was playing that I wanted to sustain while I drop in say, a
> couple of filler chords, i could hit the button and hold it down to do th=
is
> (and, obviously, the chords would *not* be input to the freeze function).=
 I
> don't know what you'd call this - "fingerless infinite sustain"? Anyway,
> maybe this is doable with one of the reverbs I have, or maybe there's som=
e
> kind of dedicated effect. any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Warren
>



--=20
Art Simon
simart@gmail.com
myspace [dot] com/artsimon

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I got a CD out in time for Y2K9 - features my best material from the past
couple of years, somewhat more tightly edited than strictly live.

I just made it available via Kunaki for $8 + shipping (which, via Kunaki, is
a somewhat outrageous $4 in the us, bringing the total to $12):
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Hope you like it.

Warren

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I got a CD out in time for Y2K9 - features my best material from the past c=
ouple of years, somewhat more tightly edited than strictly live.<br><br>I j=
ust made it available via Kunaki for $8 + shipping (which, via Kunaki, is a=
 somewhat outrageous $4 in the us, bringing the total to $12): <a href=3D"h=
ttp://kunaki.com/sales.asp?PID=3DPX00ZT68HR&amp;pp=3D1">http://kunaki.com/s=
ales.asp?PID=3DPX00ZT68HR&amp;pp=3D1</a><br>
<br>Hope you like it.<br><br>Warren<br>

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Howdy,=0A The Ibanez DM series of delays have a "hold" buttn that could be =
hooked to a footswitch. If you have a sustaining note and hit the "hold" at=
 the right instant, that sound will loop until you push it again. Tou can p=
lay over the top of it. Finding that loop point and the time of the loop,(d=
elay time) is the tricky part. I have done it often=0A=0A--- On Sat, 10/24/=
09, Art Simon <simart@gmail.com> wrote:=0A=0A> From: Art Simon <simart@gmai=
l.com>=0A> Subject: Re: Does this effect exist?=0A> To: Loopers-Delight@loo=
pers-delight.com=0A> Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 5:19 PM=0A> Not sure=
 if this is the "freeze" you=0A> are looking for Warren, but=0A> FreeverbTo=
o has a very nice freeze function:=0A> http://www.sinusweb.de/freetoo.html=
=0A> PC only unfortunately.=0A> =0A> On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Jeff =
Duke <jeff_d@embarqmail.com>=0A> wrote:=0A> > Hey that sounds sweet! http:/=
/www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D0AIFtPtuYow=0A> >=0A> > j=0A> >=0A> > ----- Orig=
inal Message -----=0A> > From: Anders Bergdahl=0A> > To: Loopers Delight=0A=
> > Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 5:38 PM=0A> > Subject: RE: Does this e=
ffect exist?=0A> > Just today i heard the Electro Harmonix "cathedral"=0A> =
reverb and it=A0has a very=0A> > cool hold=A0function..=0A> >=0A> > _______=
_________________________=0A> > Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 08:41:45 -0700=0A> >=
 Subject: Does this effect exist?=0A> > From: wsirota@wsdesigns.com=0A> > T=
o: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A> >=0A> > I feel it would be usefu=
l to have a "freeze" effect=0A> that, while a footswitch=0A> > was held dow=
n, would seamlessly loop the previous n=0A> milliseconds of sound=0A> > (wi=
th n probably between 150 and 400 or so). This is=0A> perhaps for a solo ja=
zz=0A> > guitar context, but there certainly are other=0A> applications. So=
 if i had a=0A> > note that i was playing that I wanted to sustain while=0A=
> I drop in say, a=0A> > couple of filler chords, i could hit the button an=
d=0A> hold it down to do this=0A> > (and, obviously, the chords would *not*=
 be input to=0A> the freeze function). I=0A> > don't know what you'd call t=
his - "fingerless infinite=0A> sustain"? Anyway,=0A> > maybe this is doable=
 with one of the reverbs I have,=0A> or maybe there's some=0A> > kind of de=
dicated effect. any ideas?=0A> >=0A> > Thanks,=0A> > Warren=0A> >=0A> =0A> =
=0A> =0A> -- =0A> Art Simon=0A> simart@gmail.com=0A> myspace [dot] com/arts=
imon=0A> =0A> =0A=0A=0A      

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Howdy,

 Get an Ibanez DM series digital delay. Hook up the "hold" button to a footswitch. It will do what you are asking. I use it often.
rig

--- On Sat, 10/24/09, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:

> From: Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com>
> Subject: Does this effect exist?
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 8:41 AM
> I feel it would be useful to have a
> "freeze" effect that, while a footswitch was held
> down, would seamlessly loop the previous n milliseconds of
> sound (with n probably between 150 and 400 or so). This is
> perhaps for a solo jazz guitar context, but there certainly
> are other applications. So if i had a note that i was
> playing that I wanted to sustain while I drop in say, a
> couple of filler chords, i could hit the button and hold it
> down to do this (and, obviously, the chords would *not* be
> input to the freeze function). I don't know what
> you'd call this - "fingerless infinite
> sustain"? Anyway, maybe this is doable with one of the
> reverbs I have, or maybe there's some kind of dedicated
> effect. any ideas?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Warren
> 
> 


      

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dis iz my go to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DP-4F6pjX8BM


-----Original Message-----
>From: bill bigrig <billbigrig@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Oct 24, 2009 10:14 PM
>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>Subject: Re: Does this effect exist?
>
>Howdy,
> The Ibanez DM series of delays have a "hold" buttn that could be hooked t=
o a footswitch. If you have a sustaining note and hit the "hold" at the rig=
ht instant, that sound will loop until you push it again. Tou can play over=
 the top of it. Finding that loop point and the time of the loop,(delay tim=
e) is the tricky part. I have done it often
>
>--- On Sat, 10/24/09, Art Simon <simart@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Art Simon <simart@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Does this effect exist?
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 5:19 PM
>> Not sure if this is the "freeze" you
>> are looking for Warren, but
>> FreeverbToo has a very nice freeze function:
>> http://www.sinusweb.de/freetoo.html
>> PC only unfortunately.
>>=20
>> On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Jeff Duke <jeff_d@embarqmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hey that sounds sweet! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D0AIFtPtuYow
>> >
>> > j
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Anders Bergdahl
>> > To: Loopers Delight
>> > Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 5:38 PM
>> > Subject: RE: Does this effect exist?
>> > Just today i heard the Electro Harmonix "cathedral"
>> reverb and it=C2=A0has a very
>> > cool hold=C2=A0function..
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 08:41:45 -0700
>> > Subject: Does this effect exist?
>> > From: wsirota@wsdesigns.com
>> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> >
>> > I feel it would be useful to have a "freeze" effect
>> that, while a footswitch
>> > was held down, would seamlessly loop the previous n
>> milliseconds of sound
>> > (with n probably between 150 and 400 or so). This is
>> perhaps for a solo jazz
>> > guitar context, but there certainly are other
>> applications. So if i had a
>> > note that i was playing that I wanted to sustain while
>> I drop in say, a
>> > couple of filler chords, i could hit the button and
>> hold it down to do this
>> > (and, obviously, the chords would *not* be input to
>> the freeze function). I
>> > don't know what you'd call this - "fingerless infinite
>> sustain"? Anyway,
>> > maybe this is doable with one of the reverbs I have,
>> or maybe there's some
>> > kind of dedicated effect. any ideas?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Warren
>> >
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> --=20
>> Art Simon
>> simart@gmail.com
>> myspace [dot] com/artsimon
>>=20
>>=20
>
>
>
>

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As many know Daryl and I did a series of Chinapainting shows last week and
weekend in California centered around Loopfest which has become an annual
deal for us.  This was our 6th Chinapainting mini tour since the duo's
beginning in 2006 I'm proud to say.

Last Sunday evening we had the honor of doing a shared bill with G.E.
Stinson <http://www.codedsource.com> and Steuart
Liebig<http://www.stigsite.com>.
 G.E. was founder of the World/Fusion/Free Jazz ensemble
Shadowfax<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadowfax_(band)>and among his
projects these days works with Nels Cline.  His duo partner in
the evening set was contrabassist Steuart Liebig who he has long time worked
with as well.  They did a really great set of tour de force pedal infused
(I'd say about 60 pedals between them) experimental non guitar like stuff on
guitars (a Jerry Jones 12-string) complete with many prepared manipulations
of torture on their guitar and contrabass's.  I shot the set and wanted to
pass along to the list.

http://www.vimeo.com/7209064

<http://www.vimeo.com/7209064>The video of the Chinapainting set from the
evening is coming.  I've been fighting with what appears to be a corrupt
segment in the file in a piece I'd really like to save but will be posting
soon regardless.  The LA venue by the way was in Venice at Beyond
Baroque<http://www.beyondbaroque.org>
.

In lui of our video for the moment there are some excellent still images
from the evening documented by LA friend and somewhat fan since the mP3.com
days Andy Schmidt <http://photos.theshotwellcollection.com>.
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=119250&id=760098248&l=64bf73c786.

There are pix as well from my set at Loopfest that many have probably
already seen at
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=119104&id=760098248&l=6345a2ce6d.  For
Loopfest this year Daryl and I broke tradition and each did a solo set with
a duo piece as a segue.  We also appeared in Sacramento the night before
Loopfest at Norcal Noisefest <http://www.norcalnoisefest.com> which was
really great.  It was so cool to see many of you at Loopfest this year -
Rick did his usual stellar job in orchestrating except I think he was even
more stellar this year!

Good weekend


Jim

-- 
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www.myspace.com/CtReUse

music links...
www.jimgoodinmusic.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com
www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic
www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro
www.myspace.com/jindream
www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic

video work/editing...
www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital

social networking...
www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic

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As many know Daryl and I did a series of Chinapainting shows last week and =
weekend in California centered around Loopfest which has become an annual d=
eal for us. =A0This was our 6th Chinapainting mini tour since the duo&#39;s=
 beginning in 2006 I&#39;m proud to say.<div>
<br></div><div>Last Sunday evening we had the honor of doing a shared bill =
with <a href=3D"http://www.codedsource.com">G.E. Stinson</a> and <a href=3D=
"http://www.stigsite.com">Steuart Liebig</a>. =A0G.E. was founder of the Wo=
rld/Fusion/Free Jazz ensemble <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shado=
wfax_(band)">Shadowfax</a> and among his projects these days works with Nel=
s Cline. =A0His duo partner in the evening set was contrabassist Steuart Li=
ebig who he has long time worked with as well. =A0They did a really great s=
et of tour de force pedal infused (I&#39;d say about 60 pedals between them=
) experimental non guitar like stuff on guitars (a Jerry Jones 12-string) c=
omplete with many prepared manipulations of torture on their guitar and con=
trabass&#39;s. =A0I shot the set and wanted to pass along to the list.</div=
>
<div><br></div><div><a href=3D"http://www.vimeo.com/7209064">http://www.vim=
eo.com/7209064</a></div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"http://www.vimeo.com=
/7209064"></a>The video of the Chinapainting set from the evening is coming=
. =A0I&#39;ve been fighting with what appears to be a corrupt segment in th=
e file in a piece I&#39;d really like to save but will be posting soon rega=
rdless. =A0The LA venue by the way was in Venice at <a href=3D"http://www.b=
eyondbaroque.org">Beyond Baroque</a>.</div>
<div><br></div><div>In lui of our video for the moment there are some excel=
lent still images from the evening documented by LA friend and somewhat fan=
 since the mP3.com days <a href=3D"http://photos.theshotwellcollection.com"=
>Andy Schmidt</a>. =A0<span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family=
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1px; "><a href=3D"http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=3D119250&amp;id=3D7=
60098248&amp;l=3D64bf73c786">http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=3D119250=
&amp;id=3D760098248&amp;l=3D64bf73c786</a>. =A0</span></div>
<div><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"&#39;lucida grande&#39;, taho=
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s-serif" size=3D"3"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: 11=
px;"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small;">There are=
 pix as well from my set at Loopfest that many have probably already seen a=
t=A0</span><a href=3D"http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=3D119104&amp;id=
=3D760098248&amp;l=3D6345a2ce6d">http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=3D11=
9104&amp;id=3D760098248&amp;l=3D6345a2ce6d</a>. =A0<span class=3D"Apple-sty=
le-span" style=3D"font-size: small;">For Loopfest this year Daryl and I bro=
ke tradition and each did a solo set with a duo piece as a segue. =A0We als=
o appeared in Sacramento the night before Loopfest at <a href=3D"http://www=
.norcalnoisefest.com">Norcal Noisefest</a> which was really great. =A0It wa=
s so cool to see many of you at Loopfest this year - Rick did his usual ste=
llar job in orchestrating except I think he was even more stellar this year=
!</span></span></font></div>
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</span></span></font></div>
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style-span" face=3D"&#39;lucida grande&#39;, tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-s=
erif"><br>
</font></div><div><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"&#39;lucida gran=
de&#39;, tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif" size=3D"3"><span class=3D"Appl=
e-style-span" style=3D"font-size: 11px;"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" s=
tyle=3D"font-size: small;">Jim<br clear=3D"all">
</span></span></font><br>-- <br>ReUse, an introspective textural aural<br><=
a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/CtReUse">www.myspace.com/CtReUse</a><br><b=
r>music links...<br><a href=3D"http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com">www.jimgoodin=
music.com</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com">www.chinapaintingmusic.com</a=
><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic">www.myspace.com/jimg=
oodinmusic</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic">www=
.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro">www.myspace.com/j=
imgoodinviolinelectro</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jindream">ww=
w.myspace.com/jindream</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmu=
sic">www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic</a><br>
<br>video work/editing...<br><a href=3D"http://www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigit=
al">www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital</a><br><br>social networking...<br><a hr=
ef=3D"http://www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic">www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic=
</a><br>
<br>
</div>

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I keep getting Daily Digests that list that
several posts are included but don't have all the posts that are listed 
printed out.

Just today,  I got one that listed it had 9 posts (and most of them about
Warren's query about 'does this effect exist' which fascinates me)
and there was only one post listed in the email.

Some days all of the posts are listed in the single e-mail.

Does anyone know why this keeps occuring?
It's really irritating as it takes a long time to go to the website
and search the current archives for current posts.

yours,  Rick

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I've used a Mackie 1402 VLZ for many years and I've just beaten the hell
out of it and need to replace it finally.

I love that the mixer has 6 mic pres and a lot of routing possibilites.
I also love that the mic pres are really loud and very, very quiet.

At the same time,  I know that much research and innovation has occured
in mixing boards in the last few years and the Mackie is still pretty
pricey.

I'd love something, in an ideal world that was small like this but
also had 4 aux sends instead of the 2 that the Mackie has.

Do you all have any recommendations about new mixers on the market that
are comparable (but preferabbly cheaper) and/or that have the 
aforementioned
4 aux sends?

A smaller profile would be nice too.  I'd even give up Mic pres to get
lighter weight and possibly more Aux sends.

Unless Berhinger has radically improved the quality of their pre-amps
I'm NOT looking for a recommendation for their stuff.   They have, in 
the past,
though looking identical to Mackies, had really much more mediocre and 
noisey
preamps.

thanks a lot,

Rick Walker

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All I can say is that i also used to get lots and lots of problems with the
Daily digest, and I cant stress enough that viewing LD in a Gmail account is
the way to go.

Even if you ONLY want to use gmail for LD.. its worth it... get a Gmail
account resub LD onto it..(NOT the daily digest tho)  and dont tell anyone
else... login to Gmail account, and dump a shortcut on you
desktop/coffetable/ etc...

Proimise you the 15mins it will take to do will save you days and weeks of
frustration in the future...

Just a suggestion.. just kick me if im being patronising... Massive big
Norwegian HURRAH! for all your efforts on the fest... I was one of the many
internet viewers and as per , wished I was there... you are the single
handed god of live looping mate, but you know that right?? As is becoming a
tradition for me.. Ill just say... Next year!!! Ill be there!!

M




-- 
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http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
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http://www.looop.no/shop/catlabel.php?q=Synch%20Non%20Synch

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All I can say is that i also used to get lots and lots of problems with the=
 Daily digest, and I cant stress enough that viewing LD in a Gmail account =
is the way to go.<br><br>Even if you ONLY want to use gmail for LD.. its wo=
rth it... get a Gmail account resub LD onto it..(NOT the daily digest tho)=
=A0 and dont tell anyone else... login to Gmail account, and dump a shortcu=
t on you desktop/coffetable/ etc... <br>

<br>Proimise you the 15mins it will take to do will save you days and weeks=
 of frustration in the future...<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">Just a s=
uggestion.. just kick me if im being patronising... Massive big Norwegian H=
URRAH! for all your efforts on the fest... I was one of the many internet v=
iewers and as per , wished I was there... you are the single handed god of =
live looping mate, but you know that right?? As is becoming a tradition for=
 me.. Ill just say... Next year!!! Ill be there!!<br>

<br>M<br><br><br></div><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><a href=3D"http://www.m=
arkfrancombe.com">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br><a href=3D"http://vimeo.com/=
user825094">http://vimeo.com/user825094</a><br><a href=3D"http://uk.youtube=
.com/user/markfrancombe">http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe</a><br>

<a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe">http://www.myspace.com/mar=
kfrancombe</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.looop.no/shop/catlabel.php?q=3DSync=
h%20Non%20Synch">http://www.looop.no/shop/catlabel.php?q=3DSynch%20Non%20Sy=
nch</a><br>



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Jeff Duke wrote:

> It seems the Lexicon Vortex could do somthing like 
> this very well but it's been awhile.
>  

hi Warren,

yes, the Vortex could do this.
Regular playing with dry sound.
Press switch to hold neat crossfaded looplet, while
still passing dry signal.
Press switch again to lose the looplet.
...or something similar involving the pedal.



The secret combination is a controller which simultaneously
increases loop output vol and feedback while decreasing 
loop input volume.

andy butler




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On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 3:13 AM, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:
> I just made it available via Kunaki for $8 + shipping (which, via Kunaki, is
> a somewhat outrageous $4 in the us, bringing the total to $12):
> http://kunaki.com/sales.asp?PID=PX00ZT68HR&pp=1

Nice cover! Is it the Loop Window?

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com

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hi Rick,
I expect that's down to the problem of people 
posting to the list in HTML format.
All we can do is ask people not to do that,
...except that HTML tends to be the default,
and people usually won't know it's happenning.

I would try from your email software menus
View>>Body>>As plain text (or similar)
that might help...I dunnow


There's a number of ways to solve your problem
and also improve your LD experience,
but only if you're prepared to sign off the digest
and sign on for regular mails, and then set up a couple
of simple filters.
(or does gmail offer a "sign onto maillist" wizard? Mark?Per?)
The digest just can't deal with HTML, because when
the script to make it happen was written HTML
wasn't used in emails. It's old tech.



andy

Rick Walker wrote:
> I keep getting Daily Digests that list that
> several posts are included but don't have all the posts that are listed 
> printed out.
> 
> Just today,  I got one that listed it had 9 posts (and most of them about
> Warren's query about 'does this effect exist' which fascinates me)
> and there was only one post listed in the email.
> 
> Some days all of the posts are listed in the single e-mail.
> 
> Does anyone know why this keeps occuring?
> It's really irritating as it takes a long time to go to the website
> and search the current archives for current posts.
> 
> yours,  Rick
> 
> 

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On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 1:44 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> There's a number of ways to solve your problem
> and also improve your LD experience,
> but only if you're prepared to sign off the digest
> and sign on for regular mails, and then set up a couple
> of simple filters.
> (or does gmail offer a "sign onto maillist" wizard? Mark?Per?)

I haven't seen such a wizard in Gmail, probably because it is so simple:

1) Assign a *Label* to Loopers-Delight (or "LD" or whatever you want
to call the list's label).
2) Set up a *Filter* to give that label to all mails from the list.

In order to fulfill these two task you click on the Gmail interface's
link called "Settings". Then you see another one named "Labels" and
one named "Filter".

Good thing with Gmail, compared to the list digest mail, is that it
presents posts threaded and hides quotations of earlier posts. If you
click your created LD label, in the left margin, only list topics will
be displayed. So in fact it *is* a digest! :-)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com

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have u checked out the Tapco mixers?=0A=0Aif u want to rack it the new Ales=
is might do though 2 aux sends only=0Ahttp://www.alesis.com/multimix8line=
=0Acheers=0Awww.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A--- Rick Walker <looppool=
@cruzio.com> schrieb am So, 25.10.2009:=0A=0A> Von: Rick Walker <looppool@c=
ruzio.com>=0A> Betreff: Looping Mixer Recommendations=0A> An: "LOOPERS DELI=
GHT (posting)" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>=0A> Datum: Sonntag, 25=
. Oktober 2009, 3:24=0A> I've used a Mackie 1402 VLZ for many=0A> years and=
 I've just beaten the hell=0A> out of it and need to replace it finally.=0A=
> =0A> I love that the mixer has 6 mic pres and a lot of routing=0A> possib=
ilites.=0A> I also love that the mic pres are really loud and very,=0A> ver=
y quiet.=0A> =0A> At the same time,=A0 I know that much research and=0A> in=
novation has occured=0A> in mixing boards in the last few years and the Mac=
kie is=0A> still pretty=0A> pricey.=0A> =0A> I'd love something, in an idea=
l world that was small like=0A> this but=0A> also had 4 aux sends instead o=
f the 2 that the Mackie has.=0A> =0A> Do you all have any recommendations a=
bout new mixers on the=0A> market that=0A> are comparable (but preferabbly =
cheaper) and/or that have=0A> the aforementioned=0A> 4 aux sends?=0A> =0A> =
A smaller profile would be nice too.=A0 I'd even give up=0A> Mic pres to ge=
t=0A> lighter weight and possibly more Aux sends.=0A> =0A> Unless Berhinger=
 has radically improved the quality of=0A> their pre-amps=0A> I'm NOT looki=
ng for a recommendation for their=0A> stuff.=A0=A0=A0They have, in the past=
,=0A> though looking identical to Mackies, had really much more=0A> mediocr=
e and noisey=0A> preamps.=0A> =0A> thanks a lot,=0A> =0A> Rick Walker=0A> =
=0A> =0A=0A=0A      

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Thanks - I guess it is.

Actually, it's a crop of a photo that my father, who is 82 and probably in
his last months, took in NYC. I believe the big eye is part of some fashion
billboard.

On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 4:32 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 3:13 AM, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com>
> wrote:
> > I just made it available via Kunaki for $8 + shipping (which, via Kunaki,
> is
> > a somewhat outrageous $4 in the us, bringing the total to $12):
> > http://kunaki.com/sales.asp?PID=PX00ZT68HR&pp=1
>
> Nice cover! Is it the Loop Window?
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
>
>


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Thanks - I guess it is.<br><br>Actually, it&#39;s a crop of a photo that my=
 father, who is 82 and probably in his last months, took in NYC. I believe =
the big eye is part of some fashion billboard.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote">
On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 4:32 AM, Per Boysen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com">perboysen@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<b=
r><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204=
, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 3:13 AM, Warren Sirota &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:wsirota@wsdesigns.com">wsirota@wsdesigns.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; I just made it available via Kunaki for $8 + shipping (which, via Kuna=
ki, is<br>
&gt; a somewhat outrageous $4 in the us, bringing the total to $12):<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://kunaki.com/sales.asp?PID=3DPX00ZT68HR&amp;pp=3D1" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">http://kunaki.com/sales.asp?PID=3DPX00ZT68HR&amp;pp=3D1</a>=
<br>
<br>
</div>Nice cover! Is it the Loop Window?<br>
<br>
Greetings from Sweden<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Per Boysen<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.boysen.se" target=3D"_blank">www.boysen.se</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com" target=3D"_blank">www.perboysen.com</a=
><br>
<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Warren<br><a hre=
f=3D"http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=3D6679">http://www.ubetoo.c=
om/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=3D6679</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.warrensirota.co=
m">http://www.warrensirota.com</a><br>


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hi rick,

the soundcraft spirit line has 4 send. a bit pricey but a step forward.
clean preamps and also some curious extras like the s/pdif master output for
recording.

http://www.soundcraft.com/products/product.aspx?pid=24

2009/10/25 Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com>

> I've used a Mackie 1402 VLZ for many years and I've just beaten the hell
> out of it and need to replace it finally.
>
> I love that the mixer has 6 mic pres and a lot of routing possibilites.
> I also love that the mic pres are really loud and very, very quiet.
>
> At the same time,  I know that much research and innovation has occured
> in mixing boards in the last few years and the Mackie is still pretty
> pricey.
>
> I'd love something, in an ideal world that was small like this but
> also had 4 aux sends instead of the 2 that the Mackie has.
>
> Do you all have any recommendations about new mixers on the market that
> are comparable (but preferabbly cheaper) and/or that have the
> aforementioned
> 4 aux sends?
>
> A smaller profile would be nice too.  I'd even give up Mic pres to get
> lighter weight and possibly more Aux sends.
>
> Unless Berhinger has radically improved the quality of their pre-amps
> I'm NOT looking for a recommendation for their stuff.   They have, in the
> past,
> though looking identical to Mackies, had really much more mediocre and
> noisey
> preamps.
>
> thanks a lot,
>
> Rick Walker
>
>


-- 
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hi rick,<br><br>the soundcraft spirit line has 4 send. a bit pricey but a s=
tep forward.<br>clean preamps and also some curious extras like the s/pdif =
master output for recording.<br><br><a href=3D"http://www.soundcraft.com/pr=
oducts/product.aspx?pid=3D24">http://www.soundcraft.com/products/product.as=
px?pid=3D24</a><br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/10/25 Rick Walker <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:looppool@cruzio.com">looppool@cruzio.com</a>&gt;</span><=
br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(20=
4, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I&#39;ve used a Mackie 1402 VLZ for many years and I&#39;ve just beaten the=
 hell<br>
out of it and need to replace it finally.<br>
<br>
I love that the mixer has 6 mic pres and a lot of routing possibilites.<br>
I also love that the mic pres are really loud and very, very quiet.<br>
<br>
At the same time, =A0I know that much research and innovation has occured<b=
r>
in mixing boards in the last few years and the Mackie is still pretty<br>
pricey.<br>
<br>
I&#39;d love something, in an ideal world that was small like this but<br>
also had 4 aux sends instead of the 2 that the Mackie has.<br>
<br>
Do you all have any recommendations about new mixers on the market that<br>
are comparable (but preferabbly cheaper) and/or that have the aforementione=
d<br>
4 aux sends?<br>
<br>
A smaller profile would be nice too. =A0I&#39;d even give up Mic pres to ge=
t<br>
lighter weight and possibly more Aux sends.<br>
<br>
Unless Berhinger has radically improved the quality of their pre-amps<br>
I&#39;m NOT looking for a recommendation for their stuff. =A0 They have, in=
 the past,<br>
though looking identical to Mackies, had really much more mediocre and nois=
ey<br>
preamps.<br>
<br>
thanks a lot,<br><font color=3D"#888888">
<br>
Rick Walker<br>
<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Raul Bonell at B=
logger: <a href=3D"http://raulbonell.blogspot.com">http://raulbonell.blogsp=
ot.com</a><br>Chain Tape Collective: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-collective.co=
m">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
<br>

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Rick Walker wrote:
> I've used a Mackie 1402 VLZ for many years and I've just beaten the hell
> out of it and need to replace it finally.

why not get it overhauled?


> I love that the mixer has 6 mic pres and a lot of routing possibilites.
> I also love that the mic pres are really loud and very, very quiet.

> I'd love something, in an ideal world that was small like this but
> also had 4 aux sends instead of the 2 that the Mackie has.

4 aux sends just doesn't happen on small mixers ;-(


> 
> Do you all have any recommendations about new mixers on the market that
> are comparable (but preferabbly cheaper) and/or that have the 
> aforementioned
> 4 aux sends?
> 
> A smaller profile would be nice too.  I'd even give up Mic pres to get
> lighter weight and possibly more Aux sends.
> 
> Unless Berhinger has radically improved the quality of their pre-amps
> I'm NOT looking for a recommendation for their stuff.   

If you're giving up the mic pre's then a Behringer line mixer might be an option (?).
...and most of the Behringer stuff has Rane equivalents, but usually with slightly
less routing options.
...but of course, the Rane stuff is much extra expense.

The Behringer Ultralink ( Rane SM26s ) is 1U with loads of routing options.
Could use that for the sends and get another 1u mixer to handle the returns.


Thing is, if you wanna detail exactly what you wanna achieve it's much
easier to make suggestions.

If you've got loopers on the aux sends then you maybe don't need a seperate aux for each
one. One aux send and a split cable to 2/3/4 loopers would work absolutely
perfectly ( as long as the looper is 100% wet).

andy butler



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Warren,

I've been listening to the copy you gave me at Y2K9 in the car this  
past week and have enjoyed it.

Cheers,

Ted


On Oct 24, 2009, at 7:13 PM, Warren Sirota wrote:

> I got a CD out in time for Y2K9 - features my best material from the  
> past couple of years, somewhat more tightly edited than strictly live.
>
> I just made it available via Kunaki for $8 + shipping (which, via  
> Kunaki, is a somewhat outrageous $4 in the us, bringing the total to  
> $12): http://kunaki.com/sales.asp?PID=PX00ZT68HR&pp=1
>
> Hope you like it.
>
> Warren

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Thanks, Ted. I still haven't managed to unpack yours and a couple of others
from the fest - sorry! chaos rules here atm.

On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 7:56 AM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net>wr=
ote:

> Warren,
>
> I've been listening to the copy you gave me at Y2K9 in the car this past
> week and have enjoyed it.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ted
>
>
>
> On Oct 24, 2009, at 7:13 PM, Warren Sirota wrote:
>
>  I got a CD out in time for Y2K9 - features my best material from the pas=
t
>> couple of years, somewhat more tightly edited than strictly live.
>>
>> I just made it available via Kunaki for $8 + shipping (which, via Kunaki=
,
>> is a somewhat outrageous $4 in the us, bringing the total to $12):
>> http://kunaki.com/sales.asp?PID=3DPX00ZT68HR&pp=3D1
>>
>> Hope you like it.
>>
>> Warren
>>
>
>


--=20
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Thanks, Ted. I still haven&#39;t managed to unpack yours and a couple of ot=
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l_quote">On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 7:56 AM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn <span dir=3D"ltr"=
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<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
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<br>
I&#39;ve been listening to the copy you gave me at Y2K9 in the car this pas=
t week and have enjoyed it.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br><font color=3D"#888888">
<br>
Ted</font><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
<br>
On Oct 24, 2009, at 7:13 PM, Warren Sirota wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I got a CD out in time for Y2K9 - features my best material from the past c=
ouple of years, somewhat more tightly edited than strictly live.<br>
<br>
I just made it available via Kunaki for $8 + shipping (which, via Kunaki, i=
s a somewhat outrageous $4 in the us, bringing the total to $12): <a href=
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nk">http://kunaki.com/sales.asp?PID=3DPX00ZT68HR&amp;pp=3D1</a><br>

<br>
Hope you like it.<br>
<br>
Warren<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Warren<br><=
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While on the subject, which mixers have stereo aux sends? I have the  
Looperlative hanging off the MUTE/AUX34 feed of my Mackie 1202 which  
works but doesn't seem ideal since it bypasses the aux sends when I do  
this. I could use the submixes on my Mackie 1642 but it's proving too  
bulky. (That said, the Mackie mixers have been some of the purchases  
I've been happiest with over the years.)

Mark

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I tried it when it came out. there is a oscillator in it that tunes to  
the input note, so it does not really feedback your note
I thought it sounded synthetic and still do, listening to the youtube  
demo...

On 24 Oct 2009, at 23:17, stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote:

> dis iz my go to:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-4F6pjX8BM
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bill bigrig <billbigrig@yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Oct 24, 2009 10:14 PM
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Subject: Re: Does this effect exist?
>>
>> Howdy,
>> The Ibanez DM series of delays have a "hold" buttn that could be  
>> hooked to a footswitch. If you have a sustaining note and hit the  
>> "hold" at the right instant, that sound will loop until you push it  
>> again. Tou can play over the top of it. Finding that loop point and  
>> the time of the loop,(delay time) is the tricky part. I have done  
>> it often
>>
>> --- On Sat, 10/24/09, Art Simon <simart@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Art Simon <simart@gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Does this effect exist?
>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>> Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 5:19 PM
>>> Not sure if this is the "freeze" you
>>> are looking for Warren, but
>>> FreeverbToo has a very nice freeze function:
>>> http://www.sinusweb.de/freetoo.html
>>> PC only unfortunately.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Jeff Duke <jeff_d@embarqmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hey that sounds sweet! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AIFtPtuYow
>>>>
>>>> j
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Anders Bergdahl
>>>> To: Loopers Delight
>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 5:38 PM
>>>> Subject: RE: Does this effect exist?
>>>> Just today i heard the Electro Harmonix "cathedral"
>>> reverb and it has a very
>>>> cool hold function..
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 08:41:45 -0700
>>>> Subject: Does this effect exist?
>>>> From: wsirota@wsdesigns.com
>>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>>>
>>>> I feel it would be useful to have a "freeze" effect
>>> that, while a footswitch
>>>> was held down, would seamlessly loop the previous n
>>> milliseconds of sound
>>>> (with n probably between 150 and 400 or so). This is
>>> perhaps for a solo jazz
>>>> guitar context, but there certainly are other
>>> applications. So if i had a
>>>> note that i was playing that I wanted to sustain while
>>> I drop in say, a
>>>> couple of filler chords, i could hit the button and
>>> hold it down to do this
>>>> (and, obviously, the chords would *not* be input to
>>> the freeze function). I
>>>> don't know what you'd call this - "fingerless infinite
>>> sustain"? Anyway,
>>>> maybe this is doable with one of the reverbs I have,
>>> or maybe there's some
>>>> kind of dedicated effect. any ideas?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Warren
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Art Simon
>>> simart@gmail.com
>>> myspace [dot] com/artsimon
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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infinite reverb has been common since digital reverbs exist
my first Roland 2000 in 1984 did it at least as nicely!

On 24 Oct 2009, at 19:47, Jeff Duke wrote:

> Hey that sounds sweet! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AIFtPtuYow
>
> j
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Anders Bergdahl
> To: Loopers Delight
> Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 5:38 PM
> Subject: RE: Does this effect exist?
>
> Just today i heard the Electro Harmonix "cathedral" reverb and it  
> has a very cool hold function..
>
> Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 08:41:45 -0700
> Subject: Does this effect exist?
> From: wsirota@wsdesigns.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>
> I feel it would be useful to have a "freeze" effect that, while a  
> footswitch was held down, would seamlessly loop the previous n  
> milliseconds of sound (with n probably between 150 and 400 or so).  
> This is perhaps for a solo jazz guitar context, but there certainly  
> are other applications. So if i had a note that i was playing that I  
> wanted to sustain while I drop in say, a couple of filler chords, i  
> could hit the button and hold it down to do this (and, obviously,  
> the chords would *not* be input to the freeze function). I don't  
> know what you'd call this - "fingerless infinite sustain"? Anyway,  
> maybe this is doable with one of the reverbs I have, or maybe  
> there's some kind of dedicated effect. any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Warren


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<html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">infinite reverb has been common =
since digital reverbs exist<div>my first Roland 2000 in 1984 did it at =
least as nicely!</div><div><br><div><div>On 24 Oct 2009, at 19:47, Jeff =
Duke wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: =
separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Geneva; font-size: medium; =
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widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
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bgcolor=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana; =
"><div><font face=3D"Arial">Hey that sounds sweet!<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D0AIFtPtuYow">http://www.youtube.c=
om/watch?v=3D0AIFtPtuYow</a></font></div><div><font =
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"><b>From:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
title=3D"anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com" =
href=3D"mailto:anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com">Anders =
Bergdahl</a></div><div style=3D"font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal =
arial; "><b>To:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
title=3D"loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com" =
href=3D"mailto:loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers =
Delight</a></div><div style=3D"font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal =
arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Saturday, October 24, 2009 =
5:38 PM</div><div style=3D"font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; =
"><b>Subject:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>RE: =
Does this effect exist?</div><div><br></div>Just today i heard the =
Electro Harmonix "cathedral" reverb and it&nbsp;has a very cool =
hold&nbsp;function..<br>&nbsp;<br><hr id=3D"stopSpelling">Date: Sat, 24 =
Oct 2009 08:41:45 -0700<br>Subject: Does this effect =
exist?<br>From:<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:wsirota@wsdesigns.com">wsirota@wsdesigns.com</a><br>To:<spa=
n class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@looper=
s-delight.com</a><br><br>I feel it would be useful to have a "freeze" =
effect that, while a footswitch was held down, would seamlessly loop the =
previous n milliseconds of sound (with n probably between 150 and 400 or =
so). This is perhaps for a solo jazz guitar context, but there certainly =
are other applications. So if i had a note that i was playing that I =
wanted to sustain while I drop in say, a couple of filler chords, i =
could hit the button and hold it down to do this (and, obviously, the =
chords would *not* be input to the freeze function). I don't know what =
you'd call this - "fingerless infinite sustain"? Anyway, maybe this is =
doable with one of the reverbs I have, or maybe there's some kind of =
dedicated effect. any =
ideas?<br><br>Thanks,<br>Warren<br></blockquote></div></span></blockquote>=
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On 16 Oct 2009, at 10:30, andy butler wrote:

>
> Stefan Tiedje wrote:
>> Most machines which come with an AC power supply are
>> happy with a DC input, polarity is not important in this case.

many use AC to create a positive and a negative DC voltage inside, so  
those "are not happy" :-)

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sure its a crappy sound=lov
its a rock&roll thing

-----Original Message-----
>From: Matthias Grob <matilists@gmail.com>
>Sent: Oct 25, 2009 12:51 PM
>To: Loop List <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>Subject: Re: Does this effect exist?
>
>I tried it when it came out. there is a oscillator in it that tunes to  
>the input note, so it does not really feedback your note
>I thought it sounded synthetic and still do, listening to the youtube  
>demo...
>
>On 24 Oct 2009, at 23:17, stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote:
>
>> dis iz my go to:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-4F6pjX8BM
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: bill bigrig <billbigrig@yahoo.com>
>>> Sent: Oct 24, 2009 10:14 PM
>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>> Subject: Re: Does this effect exist?
>>>
>>> Howdy,
>>> The Ibanez DM series of delays have a "hold" buttn that could be  
>>> hooked to a footswitch. If you have a sustaining note and hit the  
>>> "hold" at the right instant, that sound will loop until you push it  
>>> again. Tou can play over the top of it. Finding that loop point and  
>>> the time of the loop,(delay time) is the tricky part. I have done  
>>> it often
>>>
>>> --- On Sat, 10/24/09, Art Simon <simart@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: Art Simon <simart@gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: Does this effect exist?
>>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>>> Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 5:19 PM
>>>> Not sure if this is the "freeze" you
>>>> are looking for Warren, but
>>>> FreeverbToo has a very nice freeze function:
>>>> http://www.sinusweb.de/freetoo.html
>>>> PC only unfortunately.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Jeff Duke <jeff_d@embarqmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hey that sounds sweet! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AIFtPtuYow
>>>>>
>>>>> j
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Anders Bergdahl
>>>>> To: Loopers Delight
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 5:38 PM
>>>>> Subject: RE: Does this effect exist?
>>>>> Just today i heard the Electro Harmonix "cathedral"
>>>> reverb and it has a very
>>>>> cool hold function..
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 08:41:45 -0700
>>>>> Subject: Does this effect exist?
>>>>> From: wsirota@wsdesigns.com
>>>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>>>>
>>>>> I feel it would be useful to have a "freeze" effect
>>>> that, while a footswitch
>>>>> was held down, would seamlessly loop the previous n
>>>> milliseconds of sound
>>>>> (with n probably between 150 and 400 or so). This is
>>>> perhaps for a solo jazz
>>>>> guitar context, but there certainly are other
>>>> applications. So if i had a
>>>>> note that i was playing that I wanted to sustain while
>>>> I drop in say, a
>>>>> couple of filler chords, i could hit the button and
>>>> hold it down to do this
>>>>> (and, obviously, the chords would *not* be input to
>>>> the freeze function). I
>>>>> don't know what you'd call this - "fingerless infinite
>>>> sustain"? Anyway,
>>>>> maybe this is doable with one of the reverbs I have,
>>>> or maybe there's some
>>>>> kind of dedicated effect. any ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Warren
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Art Simon
>>>> simart@gmail.com
>>>> myspace [dot] com/artsimon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

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On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 1:44 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> I haven't seen such a wizard in Gmail, probably because it is so simple:
>
> 1) Assign a *Label* to Loopers-Delight (or "LD" or whatever you want
> to call the list's label).
> 2) Set up a *Filter* to give that label to all mails from the list.
>
> In order to fulfill these two task you click on the Gmail interface's
> link called "Settings". Then you see another one named "Labels" and
> one named "Filter".

I agree. I switched to Gmail a few months ago and it is highly
recommended, especially if you're dealing with many emails from
different mailing lists. And the good thing is, Gmail manages that
automatically for you and better than the digest could do, even it
would support HTML.
-- 
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http://livelooping.be/
http://euroloopfest.com/

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Rick,
Allen&Heath is selling the the ZED 14 which has 4 aux sends for $399,
while a new Mackie 1402VLZ3 would cost you $429. See
http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Allen-Heath-ZED14-USB-Mixing-Console?sku=630271

I don't know about the quality of the ZED series but the more
expensive MixWizard series of Allen&Heath is top quality stuff.
-- 
Sjaak Overgaauw
http://premonitionfactory.com/
http://livelooping.be/
http://euroloopfest.com/

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Hi,=0A=0AI'm Link -aka Wise Washington- from Devine Machine software (DM, G=
URU, KrishnaSynth, OTR88....), I'm working on this project for 5 years, I a=
lready used it intensely on stage and the thing is now ready for a 'real' b=
etatest !=0A(to see Cycler in use : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D6iPAwE=
NpTXQ )=0A=0ACycler may probably seem very basic to most of the looper addi=
cts on this mailing list. However our goal was to provide a simple working =
tool which can be ameliorated with your participation ! =0A=0A...well if Cy=
cler worth it for you !=0A=0A=0Aif you wish to participate please download =
one of the version (MAC or PC)=0AMAC :=0Ahttp://www.devine-machine.com/hh/C=
ycler_Standalone_beta_MAC.zip=0APC :=0Ahttp://www.devine-machine.com/hh/Cyc=
ler_Standalone_beta_PC.zip=0A=0AThese file are standalone applications, a V=
ST synced special version will be also provided as beta once the standalone=
 betatesting is completed.=0A=0AMore infos will be provided when you start =
the application.=0A=0AYou can also email me directly at link*at*devine-mach=
ine*dot*com.=0A=0AThank you ! =0A=0ALink=0APS : we will probably remove the=
 files if we hit a limit for the number of betatesters !=0APS2: I'm pretty =
busy atm, please don't expect a lightspeed answer !

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a plus for the spirit over the zed would be its direct outs, that may be
handy for saving your live performances for posterous mixage.

2009/10/25 Sjaak Overgaauw <tcplugin@gmail.com>

> Rick,
> Allen&Heath is selling the the ZED 14 which has 4 aux sends for $399,
> while a new Mackie 1402VLZ3 would cost you $429. See
>
> http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Allen-Heath-ZED14-USB-Mixing-Console?sku=630271
>
> I don't know about the quality of the ZED series but the more
> expensive MixWizard series of Allen&Heath is top quality stuff.
> --
> Sjaak Overgaauw
> http://premonitionfactory.com/
> http://livelooping.be/
> http://euroloopfest.com/
>
>


-- 
Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com

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a plus for the spirit over the zed would be its direct outs, that may be ha=
ndy for saving your live performances for posterous mixage.<br><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote">2009/10/25 Sjaak Overgaauw <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:tcplugin@gmail.com">tcplugin@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Rick,<br>
Allen&amp;Heath is selling the the ZED 14 which has 4 aux sends for $399,<b=
r>
while a new Mackie 1402VLZ3 would cost you $429. See<br>
<a href=3D"http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Allen-Heath-ZED14-U=
SB-Mixing-Console?sku=3D630271" target=3D"_blank">http://pro-audio.musician=
sfriend.com/product/Allen-Heath-ZED14-USB-Mixing-Console?sku=3D630271</a><b=
r>
<br>
I don&#39;t know about the quality of the ZED series but the more<br>
expensive MixWizard series of Allen&amp;Heath is top quality stuff.<br>
<font color=3D"#888888">--<br>
Sjaak Overgaauw<br>
<a href=3D"http://premonitionfactory.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://premoni=
tionfactory.com/</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://livelooping.be/" target=3D"_blank">http://livelooping.be/=
</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://euroloopfest.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://euroloopfest.=
com/</a><br>
<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Raul Bonell at B=
logger: <a href=3D"http://raulbonell.blogspot.com">http://raulbonell.blogsp=
ot.com</a><br>Chain Tape Collective: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-collective.co=
m">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
<br>

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From: jeff_d@embarqmail.com
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Hey that sounds sweet! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D0AIFtPtuYow
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 =20
  Date: Sat=2C 24 Oct 2009 08:41:45 -0700
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just a test :)

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Yes I'm selling my excellent condition Godin 11 string fretless guitar.  It 
has been treated like a baby, no scratches whatsoever.  I'd like to sell it 
to somebody local (Seattlish) if possible.  $700 USD + shipping if needed. 
I only have a gigbag so I'm a little weary of shipping it.  I have several 
high quality pictures if anybody is interested.  It would make an 
interesting guitar for loop purposes.

Thanks
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Brandon a friend on mine has the ZED 12 top quality=0Abut for Rick i beleve=
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desk,with usb recording capabilities,great fx etc.=0Acheers=0Awww.myspace.c=
om/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A--- Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> schrieb am=
 So, 25.10.2009:=0A=0A> Von: Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>=0A> Betref=
f: Re: Looping Mixer Recommendations=0A> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-deligh=
t.com=0A> Datum: Sonntag, 25. Oktober 2009, 15:46=0A> a plus for the spirit=
 over the zed would be=0A> its direct outs, that may be handy for saving yo=
ur live=0A> performances for posterous mixage.=0A> =0A> 2009/10/25 Sjaak Ov=
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ckie 1402VLZ3 would cost you $429. See=0A> =0A> http://pro-audio.musiciansf=
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re=0A> =0A> expensive MixWizard series of Allen&Heath is top=0A> quality st=
uff.=0A> =0A> --=0A> =0A> Sjaak Overgaauw=0A> =0A> http://premonitionfactor=
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and i still cant believe they havent integrated a "mute led" which is quite=
 important to see what the state of the track is,even on the new models Mac=
kie wake up!=0Acheers=0Awww.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A--- Mark Hamb=
urg <mark@grubmah.com> schrieb am So, 25.10.2009:=0A=0A> Von: Mark Hamburg =
<mark@grubmah.com>=0A> Betreff: Re: Looping Mixer Recommendations=0A> An: L=
oopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A> Datum: Sonntag, 25. Oktober 2009, 8:=
19=0A> While on the subject, which mixers=0A> have stereo aux sends? I have=
 the Looperlative hanging off=0A> the MUTE/AUX34 feed of my Mackie 1202 whi=
ch works but=0A> doesn't seem ideal since it bypasses the aux sends when I =
do=0A> this. I could use the submixes on my Mackie 1642 but it's=0A> provin=
g too bulky. (That said, the Mackie mixers have been=0A> some of the purcha=
ses I've been happiest with over the=0A> years.)=0A> =0A> Mark=0A> =0A> =0A=
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Andy you rock man thany for this tip!=0Aso you mean for instance on a Rane =
sm82 i could have the 2 echoplexes through one single send with a split cab=
le and use the second send for post efx?=0A=0A=0A=0A> =0A> If you've got lo=
opers on the aux sends then you maybe don't=0A> need a seperate aux for eac=
h=0A> one. One aux send and a split cable to 2/3/4 loopers would=0A> work a=
bsolutely=0A> perfectly ( as long as the looper is 100% wet).=0A> =0A> andy=
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the Eventide timefactor has this one as well=0Acheers=0Awww.myspace.com/lui=
sangulocom=0A=0A=0A--- Jeff Duke <jeff_d@embarqmail.com> schrieb am Sa, 24.=
10.2009:=0A=0A> Von: Jeff Duke <jeff_d@embarqmail.com>=0A> Betreff: Re: Doe=
s this effect exist?=0A> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A> Datum:=
 Samstag, 24. Oktober 2009, 15:10=0A> =0A> =0A>  =0A> #yiv1933198716 .hmmes=
sage P {=0A> PADDING-RIGHT:0px;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN:0=
px;PADDING-TOP:0px;}=0A> #yiv1933198716 {=0A> FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Ve=
rdana;}=0A> =0A> =0A>  =0A>  =0A> I=A0have several delays that=0A> will do =
something like =0A> this, an old Ibanez DD, a Digitech Digidelay, even my B=
oss=0A> DD 20 but not quite =0A> what your thinking perhaps. My Korg AX 300=
0G has a=0A> "Freeze" delay when you step =0A> on the contol pedal it very =
nicely repeats whatever you had=0A> been playing. =0A> Unfortunately when t=
his is engagd no direct sound will be=0A> output so you can't =0A> play ove=
r it! The Korg also has a "hold" delay=0A> but when you hold the sound it =
=0A> continues to input the direct sound into the held mix until=0A> it jus=
t overloads. =0A> It seems the Lexicon Vortex could do somthing like this=
=0A> very well but it's been =0A> awhile.=0A> =A0=0A> Jeff=0A> =0A>   -----=
 Original Message=0A> ----- =0A>   From: =0A>   Anders=0A> Bergdahl =0A>   =
To: Loopers=0A> Delight =0A>   Sent: Saturday,=0A> October 24, 2009 5:38 =
=0A>   PM=0A>   Subject: RE: Does=0A> this effect =0A> exist?=0A>   =0A> Ju=
st today i heard the Electro Harmonix=0A> "cathedral" reverb and =0A>   it=
=A0has a very cool hold=A0function..=0A> =A0=0A> =0A>   =0A>   Date: Sat, 2=
4 Oct 2009 08:41:45 -0700=0A> Subject: Does this effect =0A>   exist?=0A> F=
rom: wsirota@wsdesigns.com=0A> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A> =
=0A> I =0A>   feel it would be useful to have a "freeze"=0A> effect that, w=
hile a footswitch was =0A>   held down, would seamlessly loop the previous =
n=0A> milliseconds of sound (with n =0A>   probably between 150 and 400 or =
so). This is perhaps for=0A> a solo jazz guitar =0A>   context, but there c=
ertainly are other applications. So=0A> if i had a note that i =0A>   was p=
laying that I wanted to sustain while I drop in say,=0A> a couple of filler=
 =0A>   chords, i could hit the button and hold it down to do=0A> this (and=
, obviously, =0A>   the chords would *not* be input to the freeze function)=
.=0A> I don't know what =0A>   you'd call this - "fingerless infinite=0A> s=
ustain"? Anyway, maybe this is doable =0A>   with one of the reverbs I have=
, or maybe there's some=0A> kind of dedicated =0A>   effect. any ideas?=0A>=
 =0A> Thanks,=0A> Warren=0A>  =0A> =0A=0A=0A      

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I'm choosing between the EH 2880, Roland RC-50 and the KP3.  What has me
leaning in favour of the KP3 is the sample slicing where segments of the
loop can be switched on and off, but I can't seem to find any specs on
either the EH 2880 or Roland RC-50 that say this can also be acheived on
those units - does anyone know and if so, can the muting be contolled by
MIDI note/program change (I'm using the FCB1010)?

Andy

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I&#39;m choosing between the EH 2880, Roland RC-50 and the KP3.=A0 What has=
 me leaning in favour of the KP3 is the sample slicing where segments of th=
e loop can be switched on and off, but I can&#39;t seem to find any specs o=
n either the EH 2880 or Roland RC-50 that say this can also be acheived on =
those units - does anyone know and if so, can the muting be contolled by MI=
DI note/program change (I&#39;m using the FCB1010)?<br>
<br>Andy<br clear=3D"all"><br><br>

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First of all, this isnt exactly muting in kp3. What kp3 does is make you
"choose" the segments of the sample that form the output sample

lets say, in 8 steps, if you choose to exclude steps 4 and 7, the output
will be

123568 and not 123-56-8 (where - would indicate mute).

(i have never tried to connect my fcb1010 with kp3, so i have no opinion on
that matter)

RC50 doesnt have this feature, but is also quite more easy for intuitive
looping stuff. KP3 can work in a different, more "dj" oriented context.

if you need anything else tell me
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On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Andy <azlothebaby@googlemail.com> wrote:

> I'm choosing between the EH 2880, Roland RC-50 and the KP3.  What has me
> leaning in favour of the KP3 is the sample slicing where segments of the
> loop can be switched on and off, but I can't seem to find any specs on
> either the EH 2880 or Roland RC-50 that say this can also be acheived on
> those units - does anyone know and if so, can the muting be contolled by
> MIDI note/program change (I'm using the FCB1010)?
>
> Andy
>
>
>

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First of all, this isnt exactly muting in kp3. What kp3 does is make you &q=
uot;choose&quot; the segments of the sample that form the output sample<div=
><br></div><div>lets say, in 8 steps, if you choose to exclude steps 4 and =
7, the output will be</div>

<div><br></div><div>123568 and not 123-56-8 (where - would indicate mute).<=
/div><div><br></div><div>(i have never tried to connect my fcb1010 with kp3=
, so i have no opinion on that matter)</div><div><br></div><div>RC50 doesnt=
 have this feature, but is also quite more easy for intuitive looping stuff=
. KP3 can work in a different, more &quot;dj&quot; oriented context.</div>

<div><br></div><div>if you need anything else tell me=A0</div><div>--<br>Pa=
nagiotis Melidis<br><br>c/ Carmen 42, =A03=BA 1=AA.<br>08001 Barcelona, Spa=
in<br>tel: (+34) 686437084<br><br><a href=3D"http://myspace.com/larrygus">h=
ttp://myspace.com/larrygus</a><br>

<a href=3D"http://larrygus.blogspot.com">http://larrygus.blogspot.com</a><b=
r><br>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Andy <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:azlothebaby@googlemail.com">azlotheba=
by@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">

I&#39;m choosing between the EH 2880, Roland RC-50 and the KP3.=A0 What has=
 me leaning in favour of the KP3 is the sample slicing where segments of th=
e loop can be switched on and off, but I can&#39;t seem to find any specs o=
n either the EH 2880 or Roland RC-50 that say this can also be acheived on =
those units - does anyone know and if so, can the muting be contolled by MI=
DI note/program change (I&#39;m using the FCB1010)?<br>

<font color=3D"#888888">
<br>Andy<br clear=3D"all"><br><br>
</font></blockquote></div><br></div>

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I am interested. Antony

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On Oct 26, 2009, at 10:03 AM, Toby G <carpet8@mac.com> wrote:

Yes I'm selling my excellent condition Godin 11 string fretless guitar.  It has been treated like a baby, no scratches whatsoever.  I'd like to sell it to somebody local (Seattlish) if possible.  $700 USD + shipping if needed. I only have a gigbag so I'm a little weary of shipping it.  I have several high quality pictures if anybody is interested.  It would make an interesting guitar for loop purposes.

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Could you use MidiPipe (OSX) for swapping midi banks?
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With Mobius you could:
- Have buttons with multi functions (i.e. Rec>Play>Overdub>Play/double=multiply/long press= delete)
- Have a "commit" pedal for time criticial trigger and keyboard for firing commands

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L.Angulo wrote:
> Andy you rock man thany for this tip!
> so you mean for instance on a Rane sm82 i could have the 2 echoplexes through one 
> single send with a split cable and use the second send for post efx?

yep, the "rules" are

You can always use a Y cable to split an output to multiple inputs,
but you can't generally use a Y cable to mix into one input.
(of course, the output has to be buffered, which it will be on a mixer)




Obviously this isn't as flexible as using 2 sends,
but for a solo performer it's perfect.


> 
> 
> 
>> If you've got loopers on the aux sends then you maybe don't
>> need a seperate aux for each
>> one. One aux send and a split cable to 2/3/4 loopers would
>> work absolutely
>> perfectly ( as long as the looper is 100% wet).
>>
>> andy butler
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Well, first off ... it's "too tall" for a 15" MacBook Pro ... loaded
it and it's cutting off the top and bottoms ... otherwise, it looks
like it could be fun (I enjoy using KrishnaSynth).

Best,

Dennis

On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Link DM <link@devine-machine.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm Link -aka Wise Washington- from Devine Machine software (DM, GURU, KrishnaSynth, OTR88....), I'm working on this project for 5 years, I already used it intensely on stage and the thing is now ready for a 'real' betatest !
> (to see Cycler in use : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iPAwENpTXQ )
>
> Cycler may probably seem very basic to most of the looper addicts on this mailing list. However our goal was to provide a simple working tool which can be ameliorated with your participation !
>
> ...well if Cycler worth it for you !
>
>
> if you wish to participate please download one of the version (MAC or PC)
> MAC :
> http://www.devine-machine.com/hh/Cycler_Standalone_beta_MAC.zip
> PC :
> http://www.devine-machine.com/hh/Cycler_Standalone_beta_PC.zip
>
> These file are standalone applications, a VST synced special version will be also provided as beta once the standalone betatesting is completed.
>
> More infos will be provided when you start the application.
>
> You can also email me directly at link*at*devine-machine*dot*com.
>
> Thank you !
>
> Link
> PS : we will probably remove the files if we hit a limit for the number of betatesters !
> PS2: I'm pretty busy atm, please don't expect a lightspeed answer !
>
>



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I used to routinely use a Y cable to split the FX send from my mixer  
to my Echoplexes. I was never sure, however, whether this did weird  
things to the signal.

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fits ok on my 21" iMac screen thoigh. the problem i have, is that it doesn't
seem to accept midi program changes - only notes and cc messages...

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com>wrote:

> Well, first off ... it's "too tall" for a 15" MacBook Pro ... loaded
> it and it's cutting off the top and bottoms ... otherwise, it looks
> like it could be fun (I enjoy using KrishnaSynth).
>
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fits ok on my 21&quot; iMac screen thoigh. the problem i have, is that it d=
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<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
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.. it&#39;s &quot;too tall&quot; for a 15&quot; MacBook Pro ... loaded<br>
it and it&#39;s cutting off the top and bottoms ... otherwise, it looks<br>
like it could be fun (I enjoy using KrishnaSynth).<br><br></blockquote></di=
v>

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On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:
> Could you use MidiPipe (OSX) for swapping midi banks?

Yes, sort of.

> (How?)

Create different setups for remapping incoming MIDI events to other
MIDI events. The MIDI Pipe tool for this is "Message Converter". Now,
each of those MIDI Pipe setups can be viewed as "a MIDI bank" - well,
at least they achieve the same as real MIDI banks would, if by "MIDI
bank" you mean a bank of patches in your external MIDI controller.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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I tested this Cycler thing. Some of my findings may be inaccurate due
to lack of documentation, so here goes:
For whom it may concern, I tested on a WinXP x64 platform with RME
HDSP hardware.

GENERAL CONCEPT:
Cycler is a multi-track, multi-layer looper which seems to be
optimized for tempo-based material. About "multi-layer": from the way
it is displayed on the screen, it seems that subsequent overdubs are
recorded into additional samples which are played back together - so
you can always undo properly. However, there doesn't seem to be a way
to selectively remove specific overdubs (but this understanding of the
concept may be inaccurate).

There are eight individual loopers, which share a common tempo based
on the first looper: after you record your first loop using the
typical "record-record" procedure, a bpm tempo is extracted from this
and then used for all other loopers, where you specifiy the loop
length in number of bars.

There's an effects section, where you can assign virtual stompboxes to
each looper and pre-looper. There's the usual variety of effects
(delay, flanger, chorus, distortion), of which the time-based effects
can be synced to the bpm tempo, and a tricky one called "mini blocks"
which will playback granular sections of the loop and allows for some
very tricky rhythmic loop mangling.

The user interface is a little baffling to me: first of all, while
some functions are accessible by mouse or a button, others seem to be
available only via MIDI (like recording a loop). Fortunately, you can
also use your keyboard to assign keys to those functions via a learn
function.

There's a concept of "users" (and I don't know what that means - only
that they can be assigned to control the various loops independently -
perhaps for two guys with MIDI controllers controlling one instance of
this software?), and then there's commands which work per loop and
others which work on the currently selected loop. While this makes
sense that you might want to be available to hit "reverse" for several
tracks at one while you only record to one track at a time, this makes
working a little counterintutive at times - and more, why can't you
"undo" on any track you like without selecting it first?

While were at it, a few more points of critizism in no particular order:
While the "audio settings" dialogue allows you to select your audio
interface and in case of ASIO interfaces, select the channels you want
to use, this does not seem to work: with my HDSP, I was only able to
use input channels 1 and 2. Also, the channel selecting dialogue is a
little buggy.

While the user interface in general looks rather "normal", the effects
are displayed as virtual stompboxes. While this does look cool, it is
my personal experience that screen real estate and readability are an
issue, and so a screen component which has grey writing in script on a
bright orange housing model and uses 80% of the used screen real
estate for displaying oldskool knobs, LED housings etc. does not make
sense.

In rounding this off, Cycler seems to me more of a performance sampler
than what the ambient/sound design crowd understands as a looper. You
can't adjust feedback, no first loop capability except for the first
loop etc. On the other hand, a clearly laid out multi-track interface
(together with waveform dsiplay on the screen!) will probably work
very well with DJ-kind of use. This is especially true if you want to
avoid to setup a complex software construct (e.g. Mobius in Live or
similar) and just make use of the looper and its built-in effects.

It will remain to be seen how and where this software will find a
place in the loop world. From how I currently work, this is "not for
me" so to speak, but I'm sure that a lot of the more
song/dance-oriented artists may find a use for it.

              Rainer

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Its too tall for my Macbook Pro 15" screen. The interface is chopped  
off on the top and bottom.
Is there a manual?


On Oct 25, 2009, at 1:07 PM, Link DM wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm Link -aka Wise Washington- from Devine Machine software (DM,  
> GURU, KrishnaSynth, OTR88....), I'm working on this project for 5  
> years, I already used it intensely on stage and the thing is now  
> ready for a 'real' betatest !
> (to see Cycler in use : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iPAwENpTXQ )
>
> Cycler may probably seem very basic to most of the looper addicts on  
> this mailing list. However our goal was to provide a simple working  
> tool which can be ameliorated with your participation !
>
> ...well if Cycler worth it for you !
>
>
> if you wish to participate please download one of the version (MAC  
> or PC)
> MAC :
> http://www.devine-machine.com/hh/Cycler_Standalone_beta_MAC.zip
> PC :
> http://www.devine-machine.com/hh/Cycler_Standalone_beta_PC.zip
>
> These file are standalone applications, a VST synced special version  
> will be also provided as beta once the standalone betatesting is  
> completed.
>
> More infos will be provided when you start the application.
>
> You can also email me directly at link*at*devine-machine*dot*com.
>
> Thank you !
>
> Link
> PS : we will probably remove the files if we hit a limit for the  
> number of betatesters !
> PS2: I'm pretty busy atm, please don't expect a lightspeed answer !
>

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I just had another switch break on an FCB1010 and it started sending  
junk data...just like my last three FCB1010s

(p.s. I have the Uno firmware and no I don't want a Ground Control or  
anything w/ awful metal switches)

I'm DONE with this pedal.

I'd like to find a maker-whiz to build me a custom pedal from a monome  
kit.

One thing I'd like is those same translucent silicone rubber pads but  
LARGE (between 1.5 inches and 2 inches square). Has anyone ever seen  
any anywhere and know where to source them?

thanks much,

Zoe

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Not seen any, but have you seen these beasts:
http://www.gordius.be/midi-footcontroller-products.php


2009/10/26 Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com>

> I just had another switch break on an FCB1010 and it started sending junk
> data...just like my last three FCB1010s
>
> (p.s. I have the Uno firmware and no I don't want a Ground Control or
> anything w/ awful metal switches)
>
> I'm DONE with this pedal.
>
> I'd like to find a maker-whiz to build me a custom pedal from a monome kit.
>
> One thing I'd like is those same translucent silicone rubber pads but LARGE
> (between 1.5 inches and 2 inches square). Has anyone ever seen any anywhere
> and know where to source them?
>
> thanks much,
>
> Zoe
>
>


-- 
watch the skies

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Not seen any, but have you seen these beasts:<br><a href=3D"http://www.gord=
ius.be/midi-footcontroller-products.php">http://www.gordius.be/midi-footcon=
troller-products.php</a><br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/10/26 Z=
oe Keating <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:info@zoekeating.com">inf=
o@zoekeating.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I just had anothe=
r switch break on an FCB1010 and it started sending junk data...just like m=
y last three FCB1010s<br>

<br>
(p.s. I have the Uno firmware and no I don&#39;t want a Ground Control or a=
nything w/ awful metal switches)<br>
<br>
I&#39;m DONE with this pedal.<br>
<br>
I&#39;d like to find a maker-whiz to build me a custom pedal from a monome =
kit.<br>
<br>
One thing I&#39;d like is those same translucent silicone rubber pads but L=
ARGE (between 1.5 inches and 2 inches square). Has anyone ever seen any any=
where and know where to source them?<br>
<br>
thanks much,<br><font color=3D"#888888">
<br>
Zoe<br>
<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>watch the skies<=
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A foot controlled monome, that would be cool!

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> I'm DONE with this pedal.
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> I'd like to find a maker-whiz to build me a custom pedal from a monome kit.
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-- 
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Great Idea. The pads could switch colors similar to the APC40  
depending on what function is happening.
On Oct 26, 2009, at 4:41 PM, Zoe Keating wrote:

> I just had another switch break on an FCB1010 and it started  
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>
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>
> I'm DONE with this pedal.
>
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> monome kit.
>
> One thing I'd like is those same translucent silicone rubber pads  
> but LARGE (between 1.5 inches and 2 inches square). Has anyone ever  
> seen any anywhere and know where to source them?
>
> thanks much,
>
> Zoe
>

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Andy said:
> I'm choosing between the EH 2880, Roland RC-50 and the KP3.

So you're looking for a weapon and choosing between a spiked club, a
sniper rifle and an ICBM with nuclear warhead? ;)
The three are different beasts, with regard to their feature set as
well as to their user interface. So it might help if you tell us what
you want to do, what kind of music you're doing and which workflow
you're envisioning.

About you KP3-specific questions: according to the manual, the only
functions which send and receive MIDI data are as follows:
Touch pad X-axis Control change (#12)
Touch pad Y-axis Control change (#13)
Touch pad on/off Control change (#92)
LEVEL Slider Control change (#93)
FX DEPTH knob Control change (#94)
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SAMPLE BANK B button note on/off (#37)
SAMPLE BANK C button note on/off (#38)
SAMPLE BANK D button note on/off (#39)

That means no, it can't be done. With those being the only functions
controllable by MIDI, this makes the KP3 unusable as a foot-operated
looper, as you can't trigger recording via MIDI. The same is basically
true for the 2880, but you can use the dedicated foot controller.
There's another thing which the KP3 can't do which the other two can,
and that is do a simple overdub onto one of the loops. And finally,
the KP3 only allows you to record loops in a preset tempo with a
length of 1,2,4,8, or 16 beats.
You can think of the KP3's looping functions as a fourtrack recorder
with four endless cassettes (the different lengths) and a speed dial
(the bpm setting). You can record to each track indivdually and mute
and set levels, plus you can bounce tracks like with a fourtrack - but
you can't overdub onto an already existing loop.

Having said that: first of all, look through the archives for that
link Luis Angulo posted recently of that Beardyman performance using
four KP3s to see what it can do. And then, tell us what you want to do
with your looper...

Yours,

             Rainer

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yeah, that's what i was thinking.

that's what i love about the apc 40 and the monome and that novation  
controller.
the color LEDs that indicate what is going on


On Oct 26, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Chris Sewell wrote:

> Great Idea. The pads could switch colors similar to the APC40  
> depending on what function is happening.
> On Oct 26, 2009, at 4:41 PM, Zoe Keating wrote:
>
>> I just had another switch break on an FCB1010 and it started  
>> sending junk data...just like my last three FCB1010s
>>
>> (p.s. I have the Uno firmware and no I don't want a Ground Control  
>> or anything w/ awful metal switches)
>>
>> I'm DONE with this pedal.
>>
>> I'd like to find a maker-whiz to build me a custom pedal from a  
>> monome kit.
>>
>> One thing I'd like is those same translucent silicone rubber pads  
>> but LARGE (between 1.5 inches and 2 inches square). Has anyone ever  
>> seen any anywhere and know where to source them?
>>
>> thanks much,
>>
>> Zoe
>>
>

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A rather humorous video with Jon Rose involving loops and accelerometer =
shenanigans.

http://keithmcmillen.com/products/k-bow/

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One thing on the 2880, it can be midi enabled. I have not tried it as I 
don't have a midi controller, however according to this:
http://thisphase.org/stuff/2880_Software_Upgrade_Version_1_5_Notes.pdf

I would love to have someone hook a midi controller and report back.

Best,

Jeff

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> Andy said:
>> I'm choosing between the EH 2880, Roland RC-50 and the KP3.
>
> So you're looking for a weapon and choosing between a spiked club, a
> sniper rifle and an ICBM with nuclear warhead? ;)
> The three are different beasts, with regard to their feature set as
> well as to their user interface. So it might help if you tell us what
> you want to do, what kind of music you're doing and which workflow
> you're envisioning.
>
> About you KP3-specific questions: according to the manual, the only
> functions which send and receive MIDI data are as follows:
> Touch pad X-axis Control change (#12)
> Touch pad Y-axis Control change (#13)
> Touch pad on/off Control change (#92)
> LEVEL Slider Control change (#93)
> FX DEPTH knob Control change (#94)
> HOLD button Control change (#95)
> SAMPLE BANK A button note on/off (#36)
> SAMPLE BANK B button note on/off (#37)
> SAMPLE BANK C button note on/off (#38)
> SAMPLE BANK D button note on/off (#39)
>
> That means no, it can't be done. With those being the only functions
> controllable by MIDI, this makes the KP3 unusable as a foot-operated
> looper, as you can't trigger recording via MIDI. The same is basically
> true for the 2880, but you can use the dedicated foot controller.
> There's another thing which the KP3 can't do which the other two can,
> and that is do a simple overdub onto one of the loops. And finally,
> the KP3 only allows you to record loops in a preset tempo with a
> length of 1,2,4,8, or 16 beats.
> You can think of the KP3's looping functions as a fourtrack recorder
> with four endless cassettes (the different lengths) and a speed dial
> (the bpm setting). You can record to each track indivdually and mute
> and set levels, plus you can bounce tracks like with a fourtrack - but
> you can't overdub onto an already existing loop.
>
> Having said that: first of all, look through the archives for that
> link Luis Angulo posted recently of that Beardyman performance using
> four KP3s to see what it can do. And then, tell us what you want to do
> with your looper...
>
> Yours,
>
>             Rainer
>
> 

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some great replies.   Thanks.
I'm a solo musician and after real time looping and also some looping of
pre-loaded samples and single shots sounds.   I'll be putting voice, guitar
and keyboard through the process.    Sample slicing just seemed cool but
isn't essential for my performances.  I suppose I would have a use for
looping parts at differnt bar lengths, but I hear this can't be done on the
RC-50 and 2880.  I think I would call my style folktronica.

2009/10/26 Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com>

> Andy said:
> > I'm choosing between the EH 2880, Roland RC-50 and the KP3.
>
> So you're looking for a weapon and choosing between a spiked club, a
> sniper rifle and an ICBM with nuclear warhead? ;)
> The three are different beasts, with regard to their feature set as
> well as to their user interface. So it might help if you tell us what
> you want to do, what kind of music you're doing and which workflow
> you're envisioning.
>
> About you KP3-specific questions: according to the manual, the only
> functions which send and receive MIDI data are as follows:
> Touch pad X-axis Control change (#12)
> Touch pad Y-axis Control change (#13)
> Touch pad on/off Control change (#92)
> LEVEL Slider Control change (#93)
> FX DEPTH knob Control change (#94)
> HOLD button Control change (#95)
> SAMPLE BANK A button note on/off (#36)
> SAMPLE BANK B button note on/off (#37)
> SAMPLE BANK C button note on/off (#38)
> SAMPLE BANK D button note on/off (#39)
>
> That means no, it can't be done. With those being the only functions
> controllable by MIDI, this makes the KP3 unusable as a foot-operated
> looper, as you can't trigger recording via MIDI. The same is basically
> true for the 2880, but you can use the dedicated foot controller.
> There's another thing which the KP3 can't do which the other two can,
> and that is do a simple overdub onto one of the loops. And finally,
> the KP3 only allows you to record loops in a preset tempo with a
> length of 1,2,4,8, or 16 beats.
> You can think of the KP3's looping functions as a fourtrack recorder
> with four endless cassettes (the different lengths) and a speed dial
> (the bpm setting). You can record to each track indivdually and mute
> and set levels, plus you can bounce tracks like with a fourtrack - but
> you can't overdub onto an already existing loop.
>
> Having said that: first of all, look through the archives for that
> link Luis Angulo posted recently of that Beardyman performance using
> four KP3s to see what it can do. And then, tell us what you want to do
> with your looper...
>
> Yours,
>
>             Rainer
>
>


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some great replies.=A0=A0 Thanks.<br>I&#39;m a solo musician and after real=
 time looping and also some looping of pre-loaded samples and single shots =
sounds.=A0=A0 I&#39;ll be putting voice, guitar and keyboard through the pr=
ocess.=A0=A0=A0 Sample slicing just seemed cool but isn&#39;t essential for=
 my performances.=A0 I suppose I would have a use for looping parts at diff=
ernt bar lengths, but I hear this can&#39;t be done on the RC-50 and 2880.=
=A0 I think I would call my style folktronica.<br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/10/26 Rainer Straschill <span dir=3D"lt=
r">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:moinsound@googlemail.com">moinsound@googlemail.com=
</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: =
1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;=
">
Andy said:<br>
&gt; I&#39;m choosing between the EH 2880, Roland RC-50 and the KP3.<br>
<br>
So you&#39;re looking for a weapon and choosing between a spiked club, a<br=
>
sniper rifle and an ICBM with nuclear warhead? ;)<br>
The three are different beasts, with regard to their feature set as<br>
well as to their user interface. So it might help if you tell us what<br>
you want to do, what kind of music you&#39;re doing and which workflow<br>
you&#39;re envisioning.<br>
<br>
About you KP3-specific questions: according to the manual, the only<br>
functions which send and receive MIDI data are as follows:<br>
Touch pad X-axis Control change (#12)<br>
Touch pad Y-axis Control change (#13)<br>
Touch pad on/off Control change (#92)<br>
LEVEL Slider Control change (#93)<br>
FX DEPTH knob Control change (#94)<br>
HOLD button Control change (#95)<br>
SAMPLE BANK A button note on/off (#36)<br>
SAMPLE BANK B button note on/off (#37)<br>
SAMPLE BANK C button note on/off (#38)<br>
SAMPLE BANK D button note on/off (#39)<br>
<br>
That means no, it can&#39;t be done. With those being the only functions<br=
>
controllable by MIDI, this makes the KP3 unusable as a foot-operated<br>
looper, as you can&#39;t trigger recording via MIDI. The same is basically<=
br>
true for the 2880, but you can use the dedicated foot controller.<br>
There&#39;s another thing which the KP3 can&#39;t do which the other two ca=
n,<br>
and that is do a simple overdub onto one of the loops. And finally,<br>
the KP3 only allows you to record loops in a preset tempo with a<br>
length of 1,2,4,8, or 16 beats.<br>
You can think of the KP3&#39;s looping functions as a fourtrack recorder<br=
>
with four endless cassettes (the different lengths) and a speed dial<br>
(the bpm setting). You can record to each track indivdually and mute<br>
and set levels, plus you can bounce tracks like with a fourtrack - but<br>
you can&#39;t overdub onto an already existing loop.<br>
<br>
Having said that: first of all, look through the archives for that<br>
link Luis Angulo posted recently of that Beardyman performance using<br>
four KP3s to see what it can do. And then, tell us what you want to do<br>
with your looper...<br>
<br>
Yours,<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Rainer<br>
<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>watch the skies<=
br>

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Hmmm rubber mat switches.  Maybe someone can help you here:
http://www.ucapps.de/

2009/10/26 Art Simon <simart@gmail.com>

> A foot controlled monome, that would be cool!
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm DONE with this pedal.
> >
> > I'd like to find a maker-whiz to build me a custom pedal from a monome
> kit.
> >
> --
> Art Simon
> simart@gmail.com
> myspace [dot] com/artsimon
>
>


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Hmmm rubber mat switches.=A0 Maybe someone can help you here:<br><a href=3D=
"http://www.ucapps.de/">http://www.ucapps.de/</a><br><br><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote">2009/10/26 Art Simon <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:simar=
t@gmail.com">simart@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">A foot controlled=
 monome, that would be cool!<br>
<br>
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Zoe Keating &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:info@zoe=
keating.com">info@zoekeating.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I&#39;m DONE with this pedal.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I&#39;d like to find a maker-whiz to build me a custom pedal from a mo=
nome kit.<br>
&gt;<br>
<font color=3D"#888888">--<br>
Art Simon<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:simart@gmail.com">simart@gmail.com</a><br>
myspace [dot] com/artsimon<br>
<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>watch the skies<=
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On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 11:35 PM, Andy <azlothebaby@googlemail.com> wrote:
> I suppose I would have a use for looping parts at differnt bar lengths, but
> I hear this can't be done on the RC-50

This can be done on the RC-50 if you play in Multi Mode and turn off Loop Sync.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com

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Hi folks,

I posted a new video titled "Barely Branching on You Tube at

http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld#p/a/u/0/Ng3wQGeaHhU

Barely Branching is a visual music piece based on images of bare 
trees, with music by my frequent collaborator, Mike Marino.

I posted a new photo essay titled "Instant Cubism" on Flickr at

http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/sets/72157622545592177/

Instant Cubism is a sequence of still images treated to somewhat 
resemble cubist paintings.

Enjoy.

More notes on the work below:

Barely Branching is a visual music piece based on images of bare 
trees. I've long been fascinated with the abstract patterns seen in 
bare trees, and had generated a lot of video material by processing, 
animating and combining still and video images of these patterns.

I asked composer Mike Marando to generate a short soundtrack based on 
these images, without showing him the specific images and sequences I 
was working with. After a couple of iterations, he came up with the 
ambient soundtrack used in the piece. Here are his words about the 
process.

Dr. T sent me an email that he was interested in making a piece based 
on the theme of "Bare Trees." When I read this, I immediately thought 
of the guitar as a tree with strings on it and wondered what the 
instrument would sound like with "wind" blowing past the strings? I 
set up an acoustic-electric guitar on a stand and began 
experimenting. A regular fan blowing across the strings did not 
generate much signal, so I put in earplugs and dragged out a Shop 
Vac. After playing around a bit, I found the best results were to 
blow the Shop Vac's exhaust across the fretboard from the high string 
to the low string at different locations along the neck. I tried 
acoustic-electric and electric guitars tuned in standard tuning and 
in Rober Fripp's revised standard tuning of CGDAEG. I also did the 
same for a bass in standard tuning and in CGDG tuning.

I made several passes with the instruments and mixed them in a 
variety of ways. After some discussion with Dr. T, I had the idea of 
processing the signal through pitch-shifters, delays, and chorus. So 
I recorded three versions of one of the original tracks, each version 
with different treatments. Some of the pitch-shifting was in 
even-tempered intervals. Other pitch-shifting was in a well-tempered 
system that Terry Riley used on a piano to record, "The Harp of the 
New Albion." I selected the best parts of the three tracks and mixed 
them for Dr. T.


The images in Instant Cubism were all processed by a Photoshop filter 
called Cutout. This filter can take a photograph and convert it to an 
image that resembles a cubist painting. The effect can be accentuated 
by use of other Photoshop filters before or after applying the cutout.

I've become fascinated by this technique over the last couple of 
years. This photo-essay contains 64 photographs of a wide variety of 
subjects that I've modified with this technique.

Notes for Photoshop artists: After I apply cutout to the image, I 
usually apply Find Edges, and then Fade the effect setting mode to 
Multiply. (I use a Photoshop action that allows me to apply these 
steps with a single keystroke.) This accentuates the lines that 
separate the solid areas created by cutout. Sometimes I repeat this 
process, which produces a 'coloring book' kind of effect.

If the file name has the word Cut in it followed by 3 numbers, those 
numbers are the settings for the 3 controls in the Cutout filter.



-- 
" Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better."  -- Paul Bley

		Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D.
Video Producer			Image Processing Specialist
Video for your HEAD!			Boris FX
http://www.foryourhead.com		http://www.borisfx.com

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Hi Zoe,
I dont know if u are aware of this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DHw6mlLt-fvg

I just bought one but havent gotten it yet,to replace my bulky FCB1010 it a=
lso has the same amount of buttons but half of the size of the FCb is plus =
it can send any midi comand you can think of.
I worte Jeff about the switches since i was concerned about their loudness =
but he said they are a lot more quiet than in the video because the microph=
one was place very close to it.
check out the other videos as well,you might also ask him if he could custo=
mize some switches for you he seems very open,though this unit is not cheap=
!
cheers
www.myspace.com/luisangulocom






--- Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com> schrieb am Mo, 26.10.2009:

> Von: Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com>
> Betreff: monome as foot controller
> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Datum: Montag, 26. Oktober 2009, 13:41
> I just had another switch break on an
> FCB1010 and it started sending junk data...just like my last
> three FCB1010s
>=20
> (p.s. I have the Uno firmware and no I don't want a Ground
> Control or anything w/ awful metal switches)
>=20
> I'm DONE with this pedal.
>=20
> I'd like to find a maker-whiz to build me a custom pedal
> from a monome kit.
>=20
> One thing I'd like is those same translucent silicone
> rubber pads but LARGE (between 1.5 inches and 2 inches
> square). Has anyone ever seen any anywhere and know where to
> source them?
>=20
> thanks much,
>=20
> Zoe
>=20
> =0A=0A=0A      

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sorry Andy but what does this mean?

> (of course, the output has to be buffered, which it will be
> on a mixer)
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yup saw that. metal switches again.

i don't need the feedback you get from a sprung switch and really want  
something more tactile. seems like there are so many soft pressure  
switches on the market.

i'm excited about a custom job! got lots of replies to my twitter  
posts about it today.

i'm thinking 12 pads in 2 rows that are about 1.5 to 2 inches square  
and fully customizable so i can send MIDI notes, PC messages, OSC and/ 
or computer keys.

while i'm in fantasy land....the ability to change the "bank" of the  
pedal with my Kbow...and each pad will light up with 1 of 4 colors to  
tell me what bank i'm in.

not cheap...but possibly worth it.

On Oct 26, 2009, at 7:25 PM, L.Angulo wrote:

> Hi Zoe,
> I dont know if u are aware of this one:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw6mlLt-fvg
>
> I just bought one but havent gotten it yet,to replace my bulky  
> FCB1010 it also has the same amount of buttons but half of the size  
> of the FCb is plus it can send any midi comand you can think of.
> I worte Jeff about the switches since i was concerned about their  
> loudness but he said they are a lot more quiet than in the video  
> because the microphone was place very close to it.
> check out the other videos as well,you might also ask him if he  
> could customize some switches for you he seems very open,though this  
> unit is not cheap!
> cheers
> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com> schrieb am Mo, 26.10.2009:
>
>> Von: Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com>
>> Betreff: monome as foot controller
>> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Datum: Montag, 26. Oktober 2009, 13:41
>> I just had another switch break on an
>> FCB1010 and it started sending junk data...just like my last
>> three FCB1010s
>>
>> (p.s. I have the Uno firmware and no I don't want a Ground
>> Control or anything w/ awful metal switches)
>>
>> I'm DONE with this pedal.
>>
>> I'd like to find a maker-whiz to build me a custom pedal
>> from a monome kit.
>>
>> One thing I'd like is those same translucent silicone
>> rubber pads but LARGE (between 1.5 inches and 2 inches
>> square). Has anyone ever seen any anywhere and know where to
>> source them?
>>
>> thanks much,
>>
>> Zoe
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

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howdy yall-

any tricks for preserving audio quality on youtube?
im tryin to upload a video but the cymbal wash is killing me...lots of high=
 end digital tones/noises...im just curious what others have done to remedy=
 this-


i spent all day googlin and tried alot of different video/audio conversion =
combinations ....but alot of the posts are dated - is it true everything on=
 youtube is mono? so its important to convert to mono before youtube upload=
 compressor gets its hands on it? AAC or mp3?

ty for your help

fro





> From: info@zoekeating.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: AW: monome as foot controller
> Date: Mon=2C 26 Oct 2009 20:08:18 -0700
>=20
> yup saw that. metal switches again.
>=20
> i don't need the feedback you get from a sprung switch and really want =20
> something more tactile. seems like there are so many soft pressure =20
> switches on the market.
>=20
> i'm excited about a custom job! got lots of replies to my twitter =20
> posts about it today.
>=20
> i'm thinking 12 pads in 2 rows that are about 1.5 to 2 inches square =20
> and fully customizable so i can send MIDI notes=2C PC messages=2C OSC and=
/=20
> or computer keys.
>=20
> while i'm in fantasy land....the ability to change the "bank" of the =20
> pedal with my Kbow...and each pad will light up with 1 of 4 colors to =20
> tell me what bank i'm in.
>=20
> not cheap...but possibly worth it.
>=20
> On Oct 26=2C 2009=2C at 7:25 PM=2C L.Angulo wrote:
>=20
> > Hi Zoe=2C
> > I dont know if u are aware of this one:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DHw6mlLt-fvg
> >
> > I just bought one but havent gotten it yet=2Cto replace my bulky =20
> > FCB1010 it also has the same amount of buttons but half of the size =20
> > of the FCb is plus it can send any midi comand you can think of.
> > I worte Jeff about the switches since i was concerned about their =20
> > loudness but he said they are a lot more quiet than in the video =20
> > because the microphone was place very close to it.
> > check out the other videos as well=2Cyou might also ask him if he =20
> > could customize some switches for you he seems very open=2Cthough this =
=20
> > unit is not cheap!
> > cheers
> > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com> schrieb am Mo=2C 26.10.2009:
> >
> >> Von: Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com>
> >> Betreff: monome as foot controller
> >> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >> Datum: Montag=2C 26. Oktober 2009=2C 13:41
> >> I just had another switch break on an
> >> FCB1010 and it started sending junk data...just like my last
> >> three FCB1010s
> >>
> >> (p.s. I have the Uno firmware and no I don't want a Ground
> >> Control or anything w/ awful metal switches)
> >>
> >> I'm DONE with this pedal.
> >>
> >> I'd like to find a maker-whiz to build me a custom pedal
> >> from a monome kit.
> >>
> >> One thing I'd like is those same translucent silicone
> >> rubber pads but LARGE (between 1.5 inches and 2 inches
> >> square). Has anyone ever seen any anywhere and know where to
> >> source them?
> >>
> >> thanks much=2C
> >>
> >> Zoe
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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r your help<br><br>fro<br><br><br><br><br><br>&gt=3B From: info@zoekeating.=
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br>&gt=3B i don't need the feedback you get from a sprung switch and really=
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>&gt=3B &gt=3B http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DHw6mlLt-fvg<br>&gt=3B &gt=
=3B<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B I just bought one but havent gotten it yet=2Cto replac=
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y midi comand you can think of.<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B I worte Jeff about the swi=
tches since i was concerned about their  <br>&gt=3B &gt=3B loudness but he =
said they are a lot more quiet than in the video  <br>&gt=3B &gt=3B because=
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other videos as well=2Cyou might also ask him if he  <br>&gt=3B &gt=3B coul=
d customize some switches for you he seems very open=2Cthough this  <br>&gt=
=3B &gt=3B unit is not cheap!<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B cheers<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B www.=
myspace.com/luisangulocom<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B<br>&gt=3B &gt=
=3B<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B ---=
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CB1010s<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B (p.s. I have the Uno =
firmware and no I don't want a Ground<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B Control or any=
thing w/ awful metal switches)<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=
=3B I'm DONE with this pedal.<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B=
 I'd like to find a maker-whiz to build me a custom pedal<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&=
gt=3B from a monome kit.<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B<br>&gt=3B &gt=3B&gt=3B One =
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No, there are definitely stereo tracks on youtube.

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: FRO DIDDLY 
  To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 8:51 PM
  Subject: Uploading to youtube - preserving audio quality- any suggestions?


  howdy yall-

  any tricks for preserving audio quality on youtube?
  im tryin to upload a video but the cymbal wash is killing me...lots of high end digital tones/noises...im just curious what others have done to remedy this-


  i spent all day googlin and tried alot of different video/audio conversion combinations ....but alot of the posts are dated - is it true everything on youtube is mono? so its important to convert to mono before youtube upload compressor gets its hands on it? AAC or mp3?

  ty for your help

  fro





  > From: info@zoekeating.com
  > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
  > Subject: Re: AW: monome as foot controller
  > Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:08:18 -0700
  > 
  > yup saw that. metal switches again.
  > 
  > i don't need the feedback you get from a sprung switch and really want 
  > something more tactile. seems like there are so many soft pressure 
  > switches on the market.
  > 
  > i'm excited about a custom job! got lots of replies to my twitter 
  > posts about it today.
  > 
  > i'm thinking 12 pads in 2 rows that are about 1.5 to 2 inches square 
  > and fully customizable so i can send MIDI notes, PC messages, OSC and/ 
  > or computer keys.
  > 
  > while i'm in fantasy land....the ability to change the "bank" of the 
  > pedal with my Kbow...and each pad will light up with 1 of 4 colors to 
  > tell me what bank i'm in.
  > 
  > not cheap...but possibly worth it.
  > 
  > On Oct 26, 2009, at 7:25 PM, L.Angulo wrote:
  > 
  > > Hi Zoe,
  > > I dont know if u are aware of this one:
  > >
  > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw6mlLt-fvg
  > >
  > > I just bought one but havent gotten it yet,to replace my bulky 
  > > FCB1010 it also has the same amount of buttons but half of the size 
  > > of the FCb is plus it can send any midi comand you can think of.
  > > I worte Jeff about the switches since i was concerned about their 
  > > loudness but he said they are a lot more quiet than in the video 
  > > because the microphone was place very close to it.
  > > check out the other videos as well,you might also ask him if he 
  > > could customize some switches for you he seems very open,though this 
  > > unit is not cheap!
  > > cheers
  > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > --- Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com> schrieb am Mo, 26.10.2009:
  > >
  > >> Von: Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com>
  > >> Betreff: monome as foot controller
  > >> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
  > >> Datum: Montag, 26. Oktober 2009, 13:41
  > >> I just had another switch break on an
  > >> FCB1010 and it started sending junk data...just like my last
  > >> three FCB1010s
  > >>
  > >> (p.s. I have the Uno firmware and no I don't want a Ground
  > >> Control or anything w/ awful metal switches)
  > >>
  > >> I'm DONE with this pedal.
  > >>
  > >> I'd like to find a maker-whiz to build me a custom pedal
  > >> from a monome kit.
  > >>
  > >> One thing I'd like is those same translucent silicone
  > >> rubber pads but LARGE (between 1.5 inches and 2 inches
  > >> square). Has anyone ever seen any anywhere and know where to
  > >> source them?
  > >>
  > >> thanks much,
  > >>
  > >> Zoe
  > >>
  > >>
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > 


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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>No, there are definitely stereo tracks on 
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  style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A title=parispro00@hotmail.com href="mailto:parispro00@hotmail.com">FRO 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
  title=loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com 
  href="mailto:loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com">loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com</A> 
  </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 26, 2009 8:51 
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Uploading to youtube - 
  preserving audio quality- any suggestions?</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>howdy yall-<BR><BR>any tricks for preserving audio quality on 
  youtube?<BR>im tryin to upload a video but the cymbal wash is killing 
  me...lots of high end digital tones/noises...im just curious what others have 
  done to remedy this-<BR><BR><BR>i spent all day googlin and tried alot of 
  different video/audio conversion combinations ....but alot of the posts are 
  dated - is it true everything on youtube is mono? so its important to convert 
  to mono before youtube upload compressor gets its hands on it? AAC or 
  mp3?<BR><BR>ty for your help<BR><BR>fro<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>&gt; From: 
  info@zoekeating.com<BR>&gt; To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<BR>&gt; 
  Subject: Re: AW: monome as foot controller<BR>&gt; Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 
  20:08:18 -0700<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; yup saw that. metal switches again.<BR>&gt; 
  <BR>&gt; i don't need the feedback you get from a sprung switch and really 
  want <BR>&gt; something more tactile. seems like there are so many soft 
  pressure <BR>&gt; switches on the market.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; i'm excited about a 
  custom job! got lots of replies to my twitter <BR>&gt; posts about it 
  today.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; i'm thinking 12 pads in 2 rows that are about 1.5 to 2 
  inches square <BR>&gt; and fully customizable so i can send MIDI notes, PC 
  messages, OSC and/ <BR>&gt; or computer keys.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; while i'm in 
  fantasy land....the ability to change the "bank" of the <BR>&gt; pedal with my 
  Kbow...and each pad will light up with 1 of 4 colors to <BR>&gt; tell me what 
  bank i'm in.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; not cheap...but possibly worth it.<BR>&gt; 
  <BR>&gt; On Oct 26, 2009, at 7:25 PM, L.Angulo wrote:<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; Hi 
  Zoe,<BR>&gt; &gt; I dont know if u are aware of this one:<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; 
  &gt; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw6mlLt-fvg<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; I 
  just bought one but havent gotten it yet,to replace my bulky <BR>&gt; &gt; 
  FCB1010 it also has the same amount of buttons but half of the size <BR>&gt; 
  &gt; of the FCb is plus it can send any midi comand you can think of.<BR>&gt; 
  &gt; I worte Jeff about the switches since i was concerned about their 
  <BR>&gt; &gt; loudness but he said they are a lot more quiet than in the video 
  <BR>&gt; &gt; because the microphone was place very close to it.<BR>&gt; &gt; 
  check out the other videos as well,you might also ask him if he <BR>&gt; &gt; 
  could customize some switches for you he seems very open,though this <BR>&gt; 
  &gt; unit is not cheap!<BR>&gt; &gt; cheers<BR>&gt; &gt; 
  www.myspace.com/luisangulocom<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; 
  &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; --- Zoe Keating 
  &lt;info@zoekeating.com&gt; schrieb am Mo, 26.10.2009:<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; 
  &gt;&gt; Von: Zoe Keating &lt;info@zoekeating.com&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; 
  Betreff: monome as foot controller<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; An: 
  Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; Datum: Montag, 26. 
  Oktober 2009, 13:41<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; I just had another switch break on 
  an<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; FCB1010 and it started sending junk data...just like my 
  last<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; three FCB1010s<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; (p.s. I 
  have the Uno firmware and no I don't want a Ground<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; Control or 
  anything w/ awful metal switches)<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; I'm DONE 
  with this pedal.<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; I'd like to find a 
  maker-whiz to build me a custom pedal<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; from a monome 
  kit.<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; One thing I'd like is those same 
  translucent silicone<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; rubber pads but LARGE (between 1.5 
  inches and 2 inches<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; square). Has anyone ever seen any 
  anywhere and know where to<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; source them?<BR>&gt; 
  &gt;&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; thanks much,<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; 
  Zoe<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; 
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How to preserve quality.

 

Don't upload to Youtube.

 

Try Vimeo or Viddler.

 

TOny

 

From: FRO DIDDLY [mailto:parispro00@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 11:52 PM
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Uploading to youtube - preserving audio quality- any suggestions?

 

howdy yall-

any tricks for preserving audio quality on youtube?
im tryin to upload a video but the cymbal wash is killing me...lots of high
end digital tones/noises...im just curious what others have done to remedy
this-


i spent all day googlin and tried alot of different video/audio conversion
combinations ....but alot of the posts are dated - is it true everything on
youtube is mono? so its important to convert to mono before youtube upload
compressor gets its hands on it? AAC or mp3?

ty for your help

fro





> From: info@zoekeating.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: AW: monome as foot controller
> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:08:18 -0700
> 
> yup saw that. metal switches again.
> 
> i don't need the feedback you get from a sprung switch and really want 
> something more tactile. seems like there are so many soft pressure 
> switches on the market.
> 
> i'm excited about a custom job! got lots of replies to my twitter 
> posts about it today.
> 
> i'm thinking 12 pads in 2 rows that are about 1.5 to 2 inches square 
> and fully customizable so i can send MIDI notes, PC messages, OSC and/ 
> or computer keys.
> 
> while i'm in fantasy land....the ability to change the "bank" of the 
> pedal with my Kbow...and each pad will light up with 1 of 4 colors to 
> tell me what bank i'm in.
> 
> not cheap...but possibly worth it.
> 
> On Oct 26, 2009, at 7:25 PM, L.Angulo wrote:
> 
> > Hi Zoe,
> > I dont know if u are aware of this one:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw6mlLt-fvg
> >
> > I just bought one but havent gotten it yet,to replace my bulky 
> > FCB1010 it also has the same amount of buttons but half of the size 
> > of the FCb is plus it can send any midi comand you can think of.
> > I worte Jeff about the switches since i was concerned about their 
> > loudness but he said they are a lot more quiet than in the video 
> > because the microphone was place very close to it.
> > check out the other videos as well,you might also ask him if he 
> > could customize some switches for you he seems very open,though this 
> > unit is not cheap!
> > cheers
> > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com> schrieb am Mo, 26.10.2009:
> >
> >> Von: Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com>
> >> Betreff: monome as foot controller
> >> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >> Datum: Montag, 26. Oktober 2009, 13:41
> >> I just had another switch break on an
> >> FCB1010 and it started sending junk data...just like my last
> >> three FCB1010s
> >>
> >> (p.s. I have the Uno firmware and no I don't want a Ground
> >> Control or anything w/ awful metal switches)
> >>
> >> I'm DONE with this pedal.
> >>
> >> I'd like to find a maker-whiz to build me a custom pedal
> >> from a monome kit.
> >>
> >> One thing I'd like is those same translucent silicone
> >> rubber pads but LARGE (between 1.5 inches and 2 inches
> >> square). Has anyone ever seen any anywhere and know where to
> >> source them?
> >>
> >> thanks much,
> >>
> >> Zoe
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 

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[mailto:parispro00@hotmail.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 26, 2009 11:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Uploading to youtube - preserving audio quality- any
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
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font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>howdy yall-<br>
<br>
any tricks for preserving audio quality on youtube?<br>
im tryin to upload a video but the cymbal wash is killing me...lots of =
high end
digital tones/noises...im just curious what others have done to remedy =
this-<br>
<br>
<br>
i spent all day googlin and tried alot of different video/audio =
conversion
combinations ....but alot of the posts are dated - is it true everything =
on
youtube is mono? so its important to convert to mono before youtube =
upload
compressor gets its hands on it? AAC or mp3?<br>
<br>
ty for your help<br>
<br>
fro<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
&gt; From: info@zoekeating.com<br>
&gt; To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br>
&gt; Subject: Re: AW: monome as foot controller<br>
&gt; Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:08:18 -0700<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; yup saw that. metal switches again.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; i don't need the feedback you get from a sprung switch and really =
want <br>
&gt; something more tactile. seems like there are so many soft pressure =
<br>
&gt; switches on the market.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; i'm excited about a custom job! got lots of replies to my twitter =
<br>
&gt; posts about it today.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; i'm thinking 12 pads in 2 rows that are about 1.5 to 2 inches =
square <br>
&gt; and fully customizable so i can send MIDI notes, PC messages, OSC =
and/ <br>
&gt; or computer keys.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; while i'm in fantasy land....the ability to change the =
&quot;bank&quot; of
the <br>
&gt; pedal with my Kbow...and each pad will light up with 1 of 4 colors =
to <br>
&gt; tell me what bank i'm in.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; not cheap...but possibly worth it.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; On Oct 26, 2009, at 7:25 PM, L.Angulo wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Hi Zoe,<br>
&gt; &gt; I dont know if u are aware of this one:<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DHw6mlLt-fvg<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; I just bought one but havent gotten it yet,to replace my bulky =
<br>
&gt; &gt; FCB1010 it also has the same amount of buttons but half of the =
size <br>
&gt; &gt; of the FCb is plus it can send any midi comand you can think =
of.<br>
&gt; &gt; I worte Jeff about the switches since i was concerned about =
their <br>
&gt; &gt; loudness but he said they are a lot more quiet than in the =
video <br>
&gt; &gt; because the microphone was place very close to it.<br>
&gt; &gt; check out the other videos as well,you might also ask him if =
he <br>
&gt; &gt; could customize some switches for you he seems very =
open,though this <br>
&gt; &gt; unit is not cheap!<br>
&gt; &gt; cheers<br>
&gt; &gt; www.myspace.com/luisangulocom<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; --- Zoe Keating &lt;info@zoekeating.com&gt; schrieb am Mo,
26.10.2009:<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; Von: Zoe Keating &lt;info@zoekeating.com&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; Betreff: monome as foot controller<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; Datum: Montag, 26. Oktober 2009, 13:41<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; I just had another switch break on an<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; FCB1010 and it started sending junk data...just like my =
last<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; three FCB1010s<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; (p.s. I have the Uno firmware and no I don't want a =
Ground<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; Control or anything w/ awful metal switches)<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; I'm DONE with this pedal.<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; I'd like to find a maker-whiz to build me a custom =
pedal<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; from a monome kit.<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; One thing I'd like is those same translucent silicone<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; rubber pads but LARGE (between 1.5 inches and 2 inches<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; square). Has anyone ever seen any anywhere and know where =
to<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; source them?<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; thanks much,<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; Zoe<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
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My rig, back in the day, revolved around Radio Design Labs mixers, and  
switchers and other such things for that matter.

This is because they are very very small but good quality and quiet.  
Most are about the size of two small wooden match boxes and do very  
specific things, like take in three mic inputs or two mic and one  
line, one might be just a noise gate, etc. They have one that's a 5  
channel mixer that's about the size of a large wooden match box.

The thing about these is that you wire them together yourself. Google  
it, you'll see what I mean.

Note, if you get more then one you probably want the one that sends  
power to others as well, otherwise you end up with a bunch of wall  
warts which defeats the space saving purpose of going this route to  
make a very small footprint rig.


On Oct 26, 2009, at 9:27 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote:

> I used to routinely use a Y cable to split the FX send from my mixer  
> to my Echoplexes. I was never sure, however, whether this did weird  
> things to the signal.
>
> Mark
>

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I've created a 10 minute Y2K9 loopfest sampler video from the video snippets
I took with my digicam:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un4N_Yx4hb8

Apologies to the many wonderful artists that aren't represented here because
I either missed them, or because I was so much in awe that I forgot to catch
them on video.

Shown here in order of appearance: Rick Walker (percussion), Jim Goodin
(violin), Daryl Shawn (guitar and cassette tapes), David Cooper Orton
(guitar), Nat Grant (percussion), Matt Davignon (mouthharp) and Thomas
Dimuzio (keyboards), Warren Sirota (guitar), Bill Walker (lapsteel guitar),
Kevin Kissinger (theremin), Travis Johns (electronics), Mike Crain
(vibraphone), Laurel Murphy & Ryan Slemko (vocals), Planet Loop (drums +
bass) with Az Samad (guitar), Entertainment for the Braindead (banjo +
vocals), Ariane Cap (bass), Andre Donowa (bass + vocals), Onyx Ashanti (wind
controller + laptop), Michael Peters (guitar), Kevin Spears (Kalimba) 

-Michael

p.s. I'm surprised that there are hardly any postings about this festival on
the LD list. It was one of the most exciting and memorable musical events I
can remember. Meeting old friends (some of them for the first time) and new
friends, talking with many interesting people, lots and lots of incredible
music and inspiration. Thanks so much to Rick and of course also to Chris,
Bill, and Nancy for having us.


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I have just created a flickr group for Y2K9 photos:
http://www.flickr.com/groups/1270118@N21
 
if you have taken photos, please upload them to flickr and assign them to
this group.
 
Festival photographer George Wiltshire (the man with the kilt) has uploaded
his photos already and I'm currently uploading mine.
 
-Michael 
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Short answer:-
the buffering is inside the mixer already
so you can safely use Y cables on the mixer outputs.
(you don't need to add extra hardware)

Long answer on request (off to rehearsal now)


L.Angulo wrote:
> sorry Andy but what does this mean?
> 
>> (of course, the output has to be buffered, which it will be
>> on a mixer)
> 
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Toby G wrote:
> No, there are definitely stereo tracks on youtube.
>  

mine are (except the one that was mono to start with)

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Geez, I'm shopping for a pedal now and was going to get the FCB1010,  
but if it's so unreliable maybe the attractive price is the only thing  
good about it.  I had a look through the site archives and can't find  
a list of pedals. Maybe we should start one? I wonder what it would  
cost to clone a PCM10, upgrading it with soft-touch switches and LEDs.

On Oct 26, 2009, at 10:54 PM, Zoe Keating wrote:

> yeah, that's what i was thinking.
>
> that's what i love about the apc 40 and the monome and that novation  
> controller.
> the color LEDs that indicate what is going on
>
>
> On Oct 26, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Chris Sewell wrote:
>
>> Great Idea. The pads could switch colors similar to the APC40  
>> depending on what function is happening.
>> On Oct 26, 2009, at 4:41 PM, Zoe Keating wrote:
>>
>>> I just had another switch break on an FCB1010 and it started  
>>> sending junk data...just like my last three FCB1010s
>>>
>>> (p.s. I have the Uno firmware and no I don't want a Ground Control  
>>> or anything w/ awful metal switches)
>>>
>>> I'm DONE with this pedal.
>>>
>>> I'd like to find a maker-whiz to build me a custom pedal from a  
>>> monome kit.
>>>
>>> One thing I'd like is those same translucent silicone rubber pads  
>>> but LARGE (between 1.5 inches and 2 inches square). Has anyone  
>>> ever seen any anywhere and know where to source them?
>>>
>>> thanks much,
>>>
>>> Zoe
>>>
>>
>

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On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:
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> http://www.flickr.com/groups/1270118@N21

Good idea Michael, I'll upload mine as well.

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I have someone in Seattle who can pick it up for me! Contact me at antonyhequet@yahoo.com
Antony

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On Oct 26, 2009, at 2:45 PM, Antony Hequet <antonyhequet@yahoo.com> wrote:

I am interested. Antony

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On Oct 26, 2009, at 10:03 AM, Toby G <carpet8@mac.com> wrote:

Yes I'm selling my excellent condition Godin 11 string fretless guitar.  It has been treated like a baby, no scratches whatsoever.  I'd like to sell it to somebody local (Seattlish) if possible.  $700 USD + shipping if needed. I only have a gigbag so I'm a little weary of shipping it.  I have several high quality pictures if anybody is interested.  It would make an interesting guitar for loop purposes.

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i seem to remember reading that the frame size of your video directs the
file to a particualr level of processing quality e.g. 800 pixel by 600 sends
the vid(inc audio) through a lower qualityt compression than if it was 1200
x 800 (have failed to dig out the link so i'm just using those figures for
illustrative purposes).

2009/10/27 FRO DIDDLY <parispro00@hotmail.com>

>  howdy yall-
>
> any tricks for preserving audio quality on youtube?
> im tryin to upload a video but the cymbal wash is killing me...lots of high
> end digital tones/noises...im just curious what others have done to remedy
> this-
>
>
> i spent all day googlin and tried alot of different video/audio conversion
> combinations ....but alot of the posts are dated - is it true everything on
> youtube is mono? so its important to convert to mono before youtube upload
> compressor gets its hands on it? AAC or mp3?
>
> ty for your help
>
> fro
>
>
>
>
>
> > From: info@zoekeating.com
> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > Subject: Re: AW: monome as foot controller
> > Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:08:18 -0700
>
> >
> > yup saw that. metal switches again.
> >
> > i don't need the feedback you get from a sprung switch and really want
> > something more tactile. seems like there are so many soft pressure
> > switches on the market.
> >
> > i'm excited about a custom job! got lots of replies to my twitter
> > posts about it today.
> >
> > i'm thinking 12 pads in 2 rows that are about 1.5 to 2 inches square
> > and fully customizable so i can send MIDI notes, PC messages, OSC and/
> > or computer keys.
> >
> > while i'm in fantasy land....the ability to change the "bank" of the
> > pedal with my Kbow...and each pad will light up with 1 of 4 colors to
> > tell me what bank i'm in.
> >
> > not cheap...but possibly worth it.
> >
> > On Oct 26, 2009, at 7:25 PM, L.Angulo wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Zoe,
> > > I dont know if u are aware of this one:
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw6mlLt-fvg
> > >
> > > I just bought one but havent gotten it yet,to replace my bulky
> > > FCB1010 it also has the same amount of buttons but half of the size
> > > of the FCb is plus it can send any midi comand you can think of.
> > > I worte Jeff about the switches since i was concerned about their
> > > loudness but he said they are a lot more quiet than in the video
> > > because the microphone was place very close to it.
> > > check out the other videos as well,you might also ask him if he
> > > could customize some switches for you he seems very open,though this
> > > unit is not cheap!
> > > cheers
> > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com> schrieb am Mo, 26.10.2009:
> > >
> > >> Von: Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com>
> > >> Betreff: monome as foot controller
> > >> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > >> Datum: Montag, 26. Oktober 2009, 13:41
> > >> I just had another switch break on an
> > >> FCB1010 and it started sending junk data...just like my last
> > >> three FCB1010s
> > >>
> > >> (p.s. I have the Uno firmware and no I don't want a Ground
> > >> Control or anything w/ awful metal switches)
> > >>
> > >> I'm DONE with this pedal.
> > >>
> > >> I'd like to find a maker-whiz to build me a custom pedal
> > >> from a monome kit.
> > >>
> > >> One thing I'd like is those same translucent silicone
> > >> rubber pads but LARGE (between 1.5 inches and 2 inches
> > >> square). Has anyone ever seen any anywhere and know where to
> > >> source them?
> > >>
> > >> thanks much,
> > >>
> > >> Zoe
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
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i seem to remember reading that the frame size of your video directs the fi=
le to a particualr level of processing quality e.g. 800 pixel by 600 sends =
the vid(inc audio) through a lower qualityt compression than if it was 1200=
 x 800 (have failed to dig out the link so i&#39;m just using those figures=
 for illustrative purposes).=A0 <br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/10/27 FRO DIDDLY <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:parispro00@hotmail.com">parispro00@hotmail.com</a>&gt;</s=
pan><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid r=
gb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">




<div>
howdy yall-<br><br>any tricks for preserving audio quality on youtube?<br>i=
m tryin to upload a video but the cymbal wash is killing me...lots of high =
end digital tones/noises...im just curious what others have done to remedy =
this-<br>
<br><br>i spent all day googlin and tried alot of different video/audio con=
version combinations ....but alot of the posts are dated - is it true every=
thing on youtube is mono? so its important to convert to mono before youtub=
e upload compressor gets its hands on it? AAC or mp3?<br>
<br>ty for your help<br><br>fro<br><br><br><br><br><br>&gt; From: <a href=
=3D"mailto:info@zoekeating.com" target=3D"_blank">info@zoekeating.com</a><b=
r>&gt; To: <a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" target=3D=
"_blank">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a><br>
&gt; Subject: Re: AW: monome as foot controller<br>&gt; Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2=
009 20:08:18 -0700<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>&gt; <br>&gt; yup s=
aw that. metal switches again.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; i don&#39;t need the feedba=
ck you get from a sprung switch and really want  <br>
&gt; something more tactile. seems like there are so many soft pressure  <b=
r>&gt; switches on the market.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; i&#39;m excited about a cus=
tom job! got lots of replies to my twitter  <br>&gt; posts about it today.<=
br>
&gt; <br>&gt; i&#39;m thinking 12 pads in 2 rows that are about 1.5 to 2 in=
ches square  <br>&gt; and fully customizable so i can send MIDI notes, PC m=
essages, OSC and/ <br>&gt; or computer keys.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; while i&#39;m=
 in fantasy land....the ability to change the &quot;bank&quot; of the  <br>
&gt; pedal with my Kbow...and each pad will light up with 1 of 4 colors to =
 <br>&gt; tell me what bank i&#39;m in.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; not cheap...but po=
ssibly worth it.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; On Oct 26, 2009, at 7:25 PM, L.Angulo wro=
te:<br>
&gt; <br>&gt; &gt; Hi Zoe,<br>&gt; &gt; I dont know if u are aware of this =
one:<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D=
Hw6mlLt-fvg" target=3D"_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DHw6mlLt-fvg=
</a><br>
&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; I just bought one but havent gotten it yet,to replac=
e my bulky  <br>&gt; &gt; FCB1010 it also has the same amount of buttons bu=
t half of the size  <br>&gt; &gt; of the FCb is plus it can send any midi c=
omand you can think of.<br>
&gt; &gt; I worte Jeff about the switches since i was concerned about their=
  <br>&gt; &gt; loudness but he said they are a lot more quiet than in the =
video  <br>&gt; &gt; because the microphone was place very close to it.<br>
&gt; &gt; check out the other videos as well,you might also ask him if he  =
<br>&gt; &gt; could customize some switches for you he seems very open,thou=
gh this  <br>&gt; &gt; unit is not cheap!<br>&gt; &gt; cheers<br>&gt; &gt; =
<a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom" target=3D"_blank">www.mysp=
ace.com/luisangulocom</a><br>
&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;<=
br>&gt; &gt; --- Zoe Keating &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:info@zoekeating.com" tar=
get=3D"_blank">info@zoekeating.com</a>&gt; schrieb am Mo, 26.10.2009:<br>&g=
t; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; Von: Zoe Keating &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:info@zoekeating.com" t=
arget=3D"_blank">info@zoekeating.com</a>&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; Betreff: mono=
me as foot controller<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; An: <a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Deligh=
t@loopers-delight.com" target=3D"_blank">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.co=
m</a><br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; Datum: Montag, 26. Oktober 2009, 13:41<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; I jus=
t had another switch break on an<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; FCB1010 and it started se=
nding junk data...just like my last<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; three FCB1010s<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; (p.s. I have the Uno firmware and no I don&#=
39;t want a Ground<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; Control or anything w/ awful metal swit=
ches)<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; I&#39;m DONE with this pedal.<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; I&#39;d like to find a maker-whiz to build m=
e a custom pedal<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; from a monome kit.<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&g=
t; &gt;&gt; One thing I&#39;d like is those same translucent silicone<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; rubber pads but LARGE (between 1.5 inches and 2 inches<br>&gt=
; &gt;&gt; square). Has anyone ever seen any anywhere and know where to<br>=
&gt; &gt;&gt; source them?<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; thanks much,<b=
r>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; Zoe<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt=
; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; <br> 		 	   		  <br><=
/div></div><hr>Windows 7: I wanted more reliable, now it&#39;s more reliabl=
e. <a href=3D"http://microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/default.aspx?h=3Dmyide=
a?ocid=3DPID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:102009" target=3D"_=
blank">Wow!</a></div>

</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>watch the skies<br>

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On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:51 AM, FRO DIDDLY <parispro00@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> any tricks for preserving audio quality on youtube?


Sure! This tip was posted to this list by Reyn:

YouTube movie I send you guys is in  stereo.
> Settings are:
> Audio: 44100Hz, Stereo (2 channel), 96kbps
> Video: 25fps, 320x240 resized no cropping, bitrate = 224kps
> 2 Pass (if this option exists)
> GOP = 120 (if this option exists)
> Note: the total bitrate of the clip = 320 (96 + 224) this seems to be  the
> typical size for YouTube clips if it was any higher it might not  stream
> very well. :)
> / Reyn
>



>From an unknown source I snagged this tip on "what`recommended by YouTube
for higher quality videos".

MPEG4 (Divx, Xvid) format
> MP3 audio
> Video resolution: 480x360 or higher
> Frame Rate: 24fps or higher"
>

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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icks for preserving audio quality on youtube?<br><br><br>Sure! This tip was=
 posted to this list by Reyn: <br>
<br><blockquote style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin:=
 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;" class=3D"gmail_quote">YouTube movie=
 I send you guys is in =C2=A0stereo.<br>Settings are:<br>Audio: 44100Hz, St=
ereo (2 channel), 96kbps<br>
Video: 25fps, 320x240 resized no cropping, bitrate =3D 224kps<br>2 Pass (if=
 this option exists)<br>GOP =3D 120 (if this option exists)<br>Note: the to=
tal bitrate of the clip =3D 320 (96 + 224) this seems to be =C2=A0the typic=
al size for YouTube clips if it was any higher it might not =C2=A0stream ve=
ry well. :)<br>
/ Reyn<br></blockquote><br><br><br>From an unknown source I snagged this ti=
p on &quot;what`recommended by YouTube for higher quality videos&quot;.<br>=
<br><blockquote style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin:=
 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;" class=3D"gmail_quote">
MPEG4 (Divx, Xvid) format=C2=A0<br>MP3 audio=C2=A0<br>Video resolution: 480=
x360 or higher=C2=A0<br>Frame Rate: 24fps or higher&quot; <br></blockquote>=
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If you're on Mac, uploading directly from iMovie seems to maintain audio =
and video quality. Primitive but effective.

Ricky
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  On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:51 AM, FRO DIDDLY <parispro00@hotmail.com> =
wrote:
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  > any tricks for preserving audio quality on youtube?


  Sure! This tip was posted to this list by Reyn:=20


    YouTube movie I send you guys is in  stereo.
    Settings are:
    Audio: 44100Hz, Stereo (2 channel), 96kbps
    Video: 25fps, 320x240 resized no cropping, bitrate =3D 224kps
    2 Pass (if this option exists)
    GOP =3D 120 (if this option exists)
    Note: the total bitrate of the clip =3D 320 (96 + 224) this seems to =
be  the typical size for YouTube clips if it was any higher it might not =
 stream very well. :)
    / Reyn




  From an unknown source I snagged this tip on "what`recommended by =
YouTube for higher quality videos".


    MPEG4 (Divx, Xvid) format=20
    MP3 audio=20
    Video resolution: 480x360 or higher=20
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  Greetings from Sweden

  Per Boysen=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ricky</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><BR></DIV>On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:51 AM, FRO DIDDLY &lt;<A=20
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Michael this is really neat and 'like minds...' but I've yet to begin
production on a similar idea due to trying to salvage video from another
show on the trip and work.  Regardless thank you for doing this partly out
of vanity but also for the many additional artists that performed on Sunday
that due to our tour schedule I was unable to see so getting to see those
other folks is really neat.  Loved the bowed banjo as your manipulated
'Steinberger' near end of the piece.

I have a few people that I don't think you got Saturday PM or possibly
different angles so I plan to put together a highlights piece hopefully
before the week is out.  While writing this do you or anyone else on the
list have any idea for a video problem I'm fighting with on our LA CP show.

It's a 55 min MP4 Samsung camcorder generated file which plays completely no
issues in the camcorder.  When copied over to my Mac (Leopard), played in QT
(7.6 I believe) or exported for a final movie in FCP (5.1) it gets to @36
min and does the Mac Ignore/Send Report bomb out.  I've had success playing
this in the open source VCL player but when trying to screen capture the
entire it reaches roughly the same place and expiring.  It seems like
corrupt video at that point but then in the camera everything is groovy.

Any thoughts or ways of getting this to work appreciated.  I'm close to just
making a judgement call and cutting out the bad place but it was a neat
piece and I had to do that.

Michael thanks again for your piece and any thoughts on my editing problem.
 Great to see you and so many others on Saturday, it was the best.

Jim

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 3:18 AM, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:

> I've created a 10 minute Y2K9 loopfest sampler video from the video
> snippets
> I took with my digicam:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un4N_Yx4hb8
>
> Apologies to the many wonderful artists that aren't represented here
> because
> I either missed them, or because I was so much in awe that I forgot to
> catch
> them on video.
>
> Shown here in order of appearance: Rick Walker (percussion), Jim Goodin
> (violin), Daryl Shawn (guitar and cassette tapes), David Cooper Orton
> (guitar), Nat Grant (percussion), Matt Davignon (mouthharp) and Thomas
> Dimuzio (keyboards), Warren Sirota (guitar), Bill Walker (lapsteel guitar),
> Kevin Kissinger (theremin), Travis Johns (electronics), Mike Crain
> (vibraphone), Laurel Murphy & Ryan Slemko (vocals), Planet Loop (drums +
> bass) with Az Samad (guitar), Entertainment for the Braindead (banjo +
> vocals), Ariane Cap (bass), Andre Donowa (bass + vocals), Onyx Ashanti
> (wind
> controller + laptop), Michael Peters (guitar), Kevin Spears (Kalimba)
>
> -Michael
>
> p.s. I'm surprised that there are hardly any postings about this festival
> on
> the LD list. It was one of the most exciting and memorable musical events I
> can remember. Meeting old friends (some of them for the first time) and new
> friends, talking with many interesting people, lots and lots of incredible
> music and inspiration. Thanks so much to Rick and of course also to Chris,
> Bill, and Nancy for having us.
>
>
>


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www.chinapaintingmusic.com
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www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic
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Michael this is really neat and &#39;like minds...&#39; but I&#39;ve yet to=
 begin production on a similar idea due to trying to salvage video from ano=
ther show on the trip and work. =A0Regardless thank you for doing this part=
ly out of vanity but also for the many additional artists that performed on=
 Sunday that due to our tour schedule I was unable to see so getting to see=
 those other folks is really neat. =A0Loved the bowed banjo as your manipul=
ated &#39;Steinberger&#39; near end of the piece.<div>
<br></div><div>I have a few people that I don&#39;t think you got Saturday =
PM or possibly different angles so I plan to put together a highlights piec=
e hopefully before the week is out. =A0While writing this do you or anyone =
else on the list have any idea for a video problem I&#39;m fighting with on=
 our LA CP show.</div>
<div><br></div><div>It&#39;s a 55 min MP4 Samsung camcorder generated file =
which plays completely no issues in the camcorder. =A0When copied over to m=
y Mac (Leopard), played in QT (7.6 I believe) or exported for a final movie=
 in FCP (5.1) it gets to @36 min and does the Mac Ignore/Send Report bomb o=
ut. =A0I&#39;ve had success playing this in the open source VCL player but =
when trying to screen capture the entire it reaches roughly the same place =
and expiring. =A0It seems like corrupt video at that point but then in the =
camera everything is groovy.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Any thoughts or ways of getting this to work appreciate=
d. =A0I&#39;m close to just making a judgement call and cutting out the bad=
 place but it was a neat piece and I had to do that.</div><div><br></div>
<div>Michael thanks again for your piece and any thoughts on my editing pro=
blem. =A0Great to see you and so many others on Saturday, it was the best.<=
/div><div><br></div><div>Jim<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct =
27, 2009 at 3:18 AM, Michael Peters <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:mp@mpeters.de">mp@mpeters.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">I&#39;ve created a 10 minute Y2K9 loopfest =
sampler video from the video snippets<br>
I took with my digicam:<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dun4N_Yx4hb8" target=3D"_blank">=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dun4N_Yx4hb8</a><br>
<br>
Apologies to the many wonderful artists that aren&#39;t represented here be=
cause<br>
I either missed them, or because I was so much in awe that I forgot to catc=
h<br>
them on video.<br>
<br>
Shown here in order of appearance: Rick Walker (percussion), Jim Goodin<br>
(violin), Daryl Shawn (guitar and cassette tapes), David Cooper Orton<br>
(guitar), Nat Grant (percussion), Matt Davignon (mouthharp) and Thomas<br>
Dimuzio (keyboards), Warren Sirota (guitar), Bill Walker (lapsteel guitar),=
<br>
Kevin Kissinger (theremin), Travis Johns (electronics), Mike Crain<br>
(vibraphone), Laurel Murphy &amp; Ryan Slemko (vocals), Planet Loop (drums =
+<br>
bass) with Az Samad (guitar), Entertainment for the Braindead (banjo +<br>
vocals), Ariane Cap (bass), Andre Donowa (bass + vocals), Onyx Ashanti (win=
d<br>
controller + laptop), Michael Peters (guitar), Kevin Spears (Kalimba)<br>
<br>
-Michael<br>
<br>
p.s. I&#39;m surprised that there are hardly any postings about this festiv=
al on<br>
the LD list. It was one of the most exciting and memorable musical events I=
<br>
can remember. Meeting old friends (some of them for the first time) and new=
<br>
friends, talking with many interesting people, lots and lots of incredible<=
br>
music and inspiration. Thanks so much to Rick and of course also to Chris,<=
br>
Bill, and Nancy for having us.<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>ReUse, an introspective=
 textural aural<br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/CtReUse">www.myspace.c=
om/CtReUse</a><br><br>music links...<br><a href=3D"http://www.jimgoodinmusi=
c.com">www.jimgoodinmusic.com</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com">www.chinapaintingmusic.com</a=
><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic">www.myspace.com/jimg=
oodinmusic</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic">www=
.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro">www.myspace.com/j=
imgoodinviolinelectro</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jindream">ww=
w.myspace.com/jindream</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmu=
sic">www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic</a><br>
<br>video work/editing...<br><a href=3D"http://www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigit=
al">www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital</a><br><br>social networking...<br><a hr=
ef=3D"http://www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic">www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic=
</a><br>
<br>
</div>

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On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Ricky Graham <
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> If you're on Mac, uploading directly from iMovie seems to maintain audio
> and video quality. Primitive but effective.



Great - please tell us more! Does "directly from iMovie" here mean that you
should type in the YouTube upload URL somewhere in the application? Sort of
using iMovie "as FTP client"...?

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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iMovie has a function to upload directly to Youtube.

http://en.onsoftware.com/how-to-upload-imovie-09-projects-to-youtube/

Ricky
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    If you're on Mac, uploading directly from iMovie seems to maintain =
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  Great - please tell us more! Does "directly from iMovie" here mean =
that you should type in the YouTube upload URL somewhere in the =
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  Greetings from Sweden

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Thanks Michael, great to be reminded of all the excellent sets I saw 
Saturday and to get a glimpse of what I missed. I saw most of the people 
on Saturday and found it to be an especially amazing lineup, so much 
good stuff going on all day, and really varied too. And as always, the 
best part being seeing the people who have become my friends through 
this list - I always wish I had more time to hang.

thanks Rick, and everyone else who made this thing happen for the 10th time!

Daryl Shawn
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>
>     I've created a 10 minute Y2K9 loopfest sampler video from the
>     video snippets
>     I took with my digicam:
>     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un4N_Yx4hb8
>

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really fun - captures the flavor of the festival quite nicely. probably a
good vid to point non-loopers to if they want to know a little bit about it.

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really fun - captures the flavor of the festival quite nicely. probably a good vid to point non-loopers to if they want to know a little bit about it.<br>

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Thank you for posting! It was great to see some snippets from this festival.
The singing in German sounded cool and the camera angel at Bill Walker's
clip made that performance look very special (great sounds, Bill!).

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Thank you for posting! It was great to see some snippets from this festival. The singing in German sounded cool and the camera angel at Bill Walker&#39;s clip made that performance look very special (great sounds, Bill!).<br>
<br clear="all">Greetings from Sweden<br><br>Per Boysen <br><a href="http://www.boysen.se">www.boysen.se</a><br><a href="http://www.perboysen.com">www.perboysen.com</a><br>
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Michael,

Speaking for myself (and perhaps a few others), some of us are just  
tired old farts who have been going to the festival every year since  
it's inception and have filled the Loopers' Delight archive every year  
with kudus, reviews and discussions of it to the point that perhaps  
we've a sense that people are tired of hearing from us about it.

Or maybe we're just tired . . . I know I am . . . and would like to  
hear someone else talk about it.

As always . . . Rick & Co. did a fabulous job putting it on, and an  
outstanding job of gathering talent from around the world . . . all of  
which at a general financial loss personally (not to mention  
dedication of time, loss of sleep and frequent peace of mind).

Every performer in attendance had his or her moments of brilliance.

A few had their struggles with tech "gremlins" and the "brilliant  
part" was in how they dealt with it.

But **particular** standouts (for me) were Lilli Lewis, Jim Thomas,  
Bill Walker, (yourself) Michael Peters, DCO, Sjaak Overgaauw, Kevin  
Kalimbaman Spears and Andre Donawa, Daryl Shawn and Jim Goodin,  
bassista Ariane Cap, and the vocal duo of Laurel Murphy and Ryan Slemko.

In addition, Daniel Thomas (& son) had his best set ever, as did  
Warren Sirota, Matt Davignon and our own Stanosaur (more felt than  
heard).

Many first-timers at the fest also put in memorable sets, including  
Nat Grant, Electro Funkadelica, and Organamatonic.

I was also absolutely knocked-out by Julia  
Entertainmentforthebraindead Kotowski from Cologne.

It's too hard to write and post this stuff though, because as soon as  
you do, you think of someone else you missed and you're afraid of  
possible hurt feelings.

I'll push the button and send this anyway and hope that anyone I  
missed forgives me . . . or can simply dismiss me as an old fart.

Best regards to all,

Ted Killian

On Oct 27, 2009, at 12:18 AM, Michael Peters wrote:

> p.s. I'm surprised that there are hardly any postings about this  
> festival on
> the LD list. It was one of the most exciting and memorable musical  
> events I
> can remember. Meeting old friends (some of them for the first time)  
> and new
> friends, talking with many interesting people, lots and lots of  
> incredible
> music and inspiration. Thanks so much to Rick and of course also to  
> Chris,
> Bill, and Nancy for having us.

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Thanks for sharing this collage movies from the Y2K9.
Nice to see you guys and listening to snippets of so different sounds.
During the festival I've seen many set on ustream and i found some of them
very high level performances.

...Hope to be there next year

Fabio
www.eterogeneo.com



2009/10/27 Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de>

> I've created a 10 minute Y2K9 loopfest sampler video from the video
> snippets
> I took with my digicam:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un4N_Yx4hb8
>
> Apologies to the many wonderful artists that aren't represented here
> because
> I either missed them, or because I was so much in awe that I forgot to
> catch
> them on video.
>
> Shown here in order of appearance: Rick Walker (percussion), Jim Goodin
> (violin), Daryl Shawn (guitar and cassette tapes), David Cooper Orton
> (guitar), Nat Grant (percussion), Matt Davignon (mouthharp) and Thomas
> Dimuzio (keyboards), Warren Sirota (guitar), Bill Walker (lapsteel guitar),
> Kevin Kissinger (theremin), Travis Johns (electronics), Mike Crain
> (vibraphone), Laurel Murphy & Ryan Slemko (vocals), Planet Loop (drums +
> bass) with Az Samad (guitar), Entertainment for the Braindead (banjo +
> vocals), Ariane Cap (bass), Andre Donowa (bass + vocals), Onyx Ashanti
> (wind
> controller + laptop), Michael Peters (guitar), Kevin Spears (Kalimba)
>
> -Michael
>
> p.s. I'm surprised that there are hardly any postings about this festival
> on
> the LD list. It was one of the most exciting and memorable musical events I
> can remember. Meeting old friends (some of them for the first time) and new
> friends, talking with many interesting people, lots and lots of incredible
> music and inspiration. Thanks so much to Rick and of course also to Chris,
> Bill, and Nancy for having us.
>
>
>

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<div>Thanks for sharing this collage movies from the Y2K9.</div>
<div>Nice to see you guys and listening to snippets of so different sounds.=
</div>
<div>During the festival I&#39;ve seen many set on ustream and i found some=
 of them very high level performances. </div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>...Hope to be there next year</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>Fabio</div>
<div><a href=3D"http://www.eterogeneo.com/">www.eterogeneo.com</a></div>
<div><br><br>=A0</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/10/27 Michael Peters <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:mp@mpeters.de">mp@mpeters.de</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">I&#39;ve created a 10 minute Y2K=
9 loopfest sampler video from the video snippets<br>I took with my digicam:=
<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dun4N_Yx4hb8" target=3D"_blank">=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dun4N_Yx4hb8</a><br><br>Apologies to the ma=
ny wonderful artists that aren&#39;t represented here because<br>I either m=
issed them, or because I was so much in awe that I forgot to catch<br>
them on video.<br><br>Shown here in order of appearance: Rick Walker (percu=
ssion), Jim Goodin<br>(violin), Daryl Shawn (guitar and cassette tapes), Da=
vid Cooper Orton<br>(guitar), Nat Grant (percussion), Matt Davignon (mouthh=
arp) and Thomas<br>
Dimuzio (keyboards), Warren Sirota (guitar), Bill Walker (lapsteel guitar),=
<br>Kevin Kissinger (theremin), Travis Johns (electronics), Mike Crain<br>(=
vibraphone), Laurel Murphy &amp; Ryan Slemko (vocals), Planet Loop (drums +=
<br>
bass) with Az Samad (guitar), Entertainment for the Braindead (banjo +<br>v=
ocals), Ariane Cap (bass), Andre Donowa (bass + vocals), Onyx Ashanti (wind=
<br>controller + laptop), Michael Peters (guitar), Kevin Spears (Kalimba)<b=
r>
<br>-Michael<br><br>p.s. I&#39;m surprised that there are hardly any postin=
gs about this festival on<br>the LD list. It was one of the most exciting a=
nd memorable musical events I<br>can remember. Meeting old friends (some of=
 them for the first time) and new<br>
friends, talking with many interesting people, lots and lots of incredible<=
br>music and inspiration. Thanks so much to Rick and of course also to Chri=
s,<br>Bill, and Nancy for having us.<br><br><br></blockquote></div><br>

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Maybe this lack of comment is because we were all commenting like
crazy during the live streaming at uStream?

Anyway, I apologize for my own hermit-like, phantom, existence with
such a dynamic and awesome crew. I can only state "personal issues" as
my excuse, as weak as that may seem. I may resurface yet, but am
challenged to get myself out the door with gear and attitude.  This
festival was truly most-awesome. Great job to everyone!

Michael Peters
> > p.s. I'm surprised that there are hardly any postings about this festiv=
al on the LD list. It was one of the most exciting and memorable musical ev=
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and new friends, talking with many interesting people, lots and lots of inc=
redible music and inspiration. Thanks so much to Rick and of course also to=
 Chris, Bill, and Nancy for having us.

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thats enough Andy thanx!;-)
cheers
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--- andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> schrieb am Di, 27.10.2009:

> Von: andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>
> Betreff: Re: Looping Mixer Recommendations
> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Datum: Dienstag, 27. Oktober 2009, 1:40
> Short answer:-
> the buffering is inside the mixer already
> so you can safely use Y cables on the mixer outputs.
> (you don't need to add extra hardware)
>=20
> Long answer on request (off to rehearsal now)
>=20
>=20
> L.Angulo wrote:
> > sorry Andy but what does this mean?
> >=20
> >> (of course, the output has to be buffered, which
> it will be
> >> on a mixer)
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
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yes im too,my dear amigo kevin kalimba man was mentioning this to me as wel=
l i think his post was the first and only one i read that said something ab=
out the festival as no one else jumped in
cheers
Luis
=20
> -Michael
>=20
> p.s. I'm surprised that there are hardly any postings
> about this festival on
> the LD list. It was one of the most exciting and memorable
> musical events I
> can remember. Meeting old friends (some of them for the
> first time) and new
>=20
> friends, talking with many interesting people, lots and
> lots of incredible
> music and inspiration. Thanks so much to Rick and of course
> also to Chris,
> Bill, and Nancy for having us.
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> =0A=0A=0A      

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sounds great but let us konw once you have it done,tell the bilder if he do=
es a goo job for u we might jsut follow;-)
cheers
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--- Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com> schrieb am Mo, 26.10.2009:

> Von: Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com>
> Betreff: Re: AW: monome as foot controller
> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Datum: Montag, 26. Oktober 2009, 20:08
> yup saw that. metal switches again.
>=20
> i don't need the feedback you get from a sprung switch and
> really want something more tactile. seems like there are so
> many soft pressure switches on the market.
>=20
> i'm excited about a custom job! got lots of replies to my
> twitter posts about it today.
>=20
> i'm thinking 12 pads in 2 rows that are about 1.5 to 2
> inches square and fully customizable so i can send MIDI
> notes, PC messages, OSC and/or computer keys.
>=20
> while i'm in fantasy land....the ability to change the
> "bank" of the pedal with my Kbow...and each pad will light
> up with 1 of 4 colors to tell me what bank i'm in.
>=20
> not cheap...but possibly worth it.
>=20
> On Oct 26, 2009, at 7:25 PM, L.Angulo wrote:
>=20
> > Hi Zoe,
> > I dont know if u are aware of this one:
> >=20
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DHw6mlLt-fvg
> >=20
> > I just bought one but havent gotten it yet,to replace
> my bulky FCB1010 it also has the same amount of buttons but
> half of the size of the FCb is plus it can send any midi
> comand you can think of.
> > I worte Jeff about the switches since i was concerned
> about their loudness but he said they are a lot more quiet
> than in the video because the microphone was place very
> close to it.
> > check out the other videos as well,you might also ask
> him if he could customize some switches for you he seems
> very open,though this unit is not cheap!
> > cheers
> > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > --- Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com>
> schrieb am Mo, 26.10.2009:
> >=20
> >> Von: Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com>
> >> Betreff: monome as foot controller
> >> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >> Datum: Montag, 26. Oktober 2009, 13:41
> >> I just had another switch break on an
> >> FCB1010 and it started sending junk data...just
> like my last
> >> three FCB1010s
> >>=20
> >> (p.s. I have the Uno firmware and no I don't want
> a Ground
> >> Control or anything w/ awful metal switches)
> >>=20
> >> I'm DONE with this pedal.
> >>=20
> >> I'd like to find a maker-whiz to build me a custom
> pedal
> >> from a monome kit.
> >>=20
> >> One thing I'd like is those same translucent
> silicone
> >> rubber pads but LARGE (between 1.5 inches and 2
> inches
> >> square). Has anyone ever seen any anywhere and
> know where to
> >> source them?
> >>=20
> >> thanks much,
> >>=20
> >> Zoe
> >>=20
> >>=20
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
>=20
> =0A=0A=0A      

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From: James Richmond <richmondjames@me.com>
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Hi people,

I am back after a long absence (around 3 years).

I am working with the Gibson Echoplex these days and wondering if I  
can do something.
I have a footpedal with it but i sometimes want to use a guitar  
mounted switch (momentary) to control the 'insert' switch.
I want to be able to do extremely fast granular synth style noises and  
a finger is more responsive than a foot.

I am wondering if I could build a switch with a 4.75 kOhm resistor in  
series and have that connected to the echoplex at the same time as the  
foot pedal (with a custom Y cable).
Is this going to work?

Lastly,

Do I have any chance of finding ram expansion for an original Lexicon  
Jamman?

Regards,

Jim Richmond

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Howdy,
 Boy, I don't know. I've got hours of jams where I 'held' a phrase and we played over it and it sounded great. This was WAY before 24bit/96khz. But back in the analog days it was great. I STILL do it. but I'm a retro kind of guy. Just my$.002
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Howdy,
 I have 3 DM-1100s. There is not an oscillator in the lot.
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Really nice video Michael, thanks!

Reminds me how much I enjoyed the sets of Kalimba man, Kevin
Kissinger, Planet Loop, Andre Donawa, Warren Sirota,
Entertainmentforthebraindead, and Onyx Ashanti. All were great, and
seriously the best I've listened to for years. Thanks to Bob Amstadt
for providing the video feed. I missed many more, so my apologies to
those I don't mention.

Other favorites not on the video were Stanosaur, Sayaka Yabuki,
Premonition Factory, and Daniel Thomas & Son (though I was setting up
and didn't give the set the attention it deserved). It was a humbling
experience to perform in their company.

And Bill Walker! wow, that man is good! I can't believe I've gone
through life without hearing him until now. Amazingly beautiful stuff!

And Rick, kudos! The festival is something significant, and will be
remembered. My deepest, humblest thanks.


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i saw the threads about video but can't find the link.
are the Y2K9 videos posted anywhere i can watch?

thanks! z

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I would also be interested.
Antony

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 28, 2009, at 12:49 AM, "L.Angulo" <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:

sounds great but let us konw once you have it done,tell the bilder if he does a goo job for u we might jsut follow;-)
cheers
www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


--- Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com> schrieb am Mo, 26.10.2009:

Von: Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com>
Betreff: Re: AW: monome as foot controller
An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Datum: Montag, 26. Oktober 2009, 20:08
yup saw that. metal switches again.

i don't need the feedback you get from a sprung switch and
really want something more tactile. seems like there are so
many soft pressure switches on the market.

i'm excited about a custom job! got lots of replies to my
twitter posts about it today.

i'm thinking 12 pads in 2 rows that are about 1.5 to 2
inches square and fully customizable so i can send MIDI
notes, PC messages, OSC and/or computer keys.

while i'm in fantasy land....the ability to change the
"bank" of the pedal with my Kbow...and each pad will light
up with 1 of 4 colors to tell me what bank i'm in.

not cheap...but possibly worth it.

On Oct 26, 2009, at 7:25 PM, L.Angulo wrote:

Hi Zoe,
I dont know if u are aware of this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw6mlLt-fvg

I just bought one but havent gotten it yet,to replace
my bulky FCB1010 it also has the same amount of buttons but
half of the size of the FCb is plus it can send any midi
comand you can think of.
I worte Jeff about the switches since i was concerned
about their loudness but he said they are a lot more quiet
than in the video because the microphone was place very
close to it.
check out the other videos as well,you might also ask
him if he could customize some switches for you he seems
very open,though this unit is not cheap!
cheers
www.myspace.com/luisangulocom






--- Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com>
schrieb am Mo, 26.10.2009:

Von: Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com>
Betreff: monome as foot controller
An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Datum: Montag, 26. Oktober 2009, 13:41
I just had another switch break on an
FCB1010 and it started sending junk data...just
like my last
three FCB1010s

(p.s. I have the Uno firmware and no I don't want
a Ground
Control or anything w/ awful metal switches)

I'm DONE with this pedal.

I'd like to find a maker-whiz to build me a custom
pedal
from a monome kit.

One thing I'd like is those same translucent
silicone
rubber pads but LARGE (between 1.5 inches and 2
inches
square). Has anyone ever seen any anywhere and
know where to
source them?

thanks much,

Zoe















      

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and me

On Oct 28, 2009, at 7:45 AM, Antony Hequet wrote:

> I would also be interested.
> Antony
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 28, 2009, at 12:49 AM, "L.Angulo" <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> sounds great but let us konw once you have it done,tell the bilder  
> if he does a goo job for u we might jsut follow;-)
> cheers
> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>
>
> --- Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com> schrieb am Mo, 26.10.2009:
>
> Von: Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com>
> Betreff: Re: AW: monome as foot controller
> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Datum: Montag, 26. Oktober 2009, 20:08
> yup saw that. metal switches again.
>
> i don't need the feedback you get from a sprung switch and
> really want something more tactile. seems like there are so
> many soft pressure switches on the market.
>
> i'm excited about a custom job! got lots of replies to my
> twitter posts about it today.
>
> i'm thinking 12 pads in 2 rows that are about 1.5 to 2
> inches square and fully customizable so i can send MIDI
> notes, PC messages, OSC and/or computer keys.
>
> while i'm in fantasy land....the ability to change the
> "bank" of the pedal with my Kbow...and each pad will light
> up with 1 of 4 colors to tell me what bank i'm in.
>
> not cheap...but possibly worth it.
>
> On Oct 26, 2009, at 7:25 PM, L.Angulo wrote:
>
> Hi Zoe,
> I dont know if u are aware of this one:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw6mlLt-fvg
>
> I just bought one but havent gotten it yet,to replace
> my bulky FCB1010 it also has the same amount of buttons but
> half of the size of the FCb is plus it can send any midi
> comand you can think of.
> I worte Jeff about the switches since i was concerned
> about their loudness but he said they are a lot more quiet
> than in the video because the microphone was place very
> close to it.
> check out the other videos as well,you might also ask
> him if he could customize some switches for you he seems
> very open,though this unit is not cheap!
> cheers
> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com>
> schrieb am Mo, 26.10.2009:
>
> Von: Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com>
> Betreff: monome as foot controller
> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Datum: Montag, 26. Oktober 2009, 13:41
> I just had another switch break on an
> FCB1010 and it started sending junk data...just
> like my last
> three FCB1010s
>
> (p.s. I have the Uno firmware and no I don't want
> a Ground
> Control or anything w/ awful metal switches)
>
> I'm DONE with this pedal.
>
> I'd like to find a maker-whiz to build me a custom
> pedal
> from a monome kit.
>
> One thing I'd like is those same translucent
> silicone
> rubber pads but LARGE (between 1.5 inches and 2
> inches
> square). Has anyone ever seen any anywhere and
> know where to
> source them?
>
> thanks much,
>
> Zoe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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James Richmond wrote:
> Hi people,
> 
> I am back after a long absence (around 3 years).
> 
> I am working with the Gibson Echoplex these days and wondering if I can 
> do something.
> I have a footpedal with it but i sometimes want to use a guitar mounted 
> switch (momentary) to control the 'insert' switch.
> I want to be able to do extremely fast granular synth style noises and a 
> finger is more responsive than a foot.
> 
> I am wondering if I could build a switch with a 4.75 kOhm resistor in 
> series and have that connected to the echoplex at the same time as the 
> foot pedal (with a custom Y cable).
> Is this going to work?

Yes, that should work.


> 
> Lastly,
> 
> Do I have any chance of finding ram expansion for an original Lexicon 
> Jamman?

http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/jamman/jamman_memory.html

I found this by googling one of the part nos from the JamMan manual,

http://store.americanmicrosemiconductor.com/mcm54400az-70.html

there are several other part nos to try if that doesn't work out.

the 70 at the end of  part number (afaik) means 70nS,
and this denotes how fast the chip can be accessed.
Apparently what's needed is 100nS or faster....and
for luckily 70 is faster than 100.

Good luck, I upgraded mine over a decade and a half ago.


andy butler
(just about to slip the old jamman back into my rig
  for additional loops)


> 
> Regards,
> 
> Jim Richmond
> 
> 

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> Is this going to work?
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> Not only should it work, but its a great idea!!!

(now you have got me wondering if the plex can be switched via a ANALOG
sequencer, that sends out control voltages? What kind of voltages are we
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Hi Per


> > Could you use MidiPipe (OSX) for swapping midi banks?

> Create different setups for remapping incoming MIDI events to other
> MIDI events. 

Yes, but how do you actually switch between the different setups? I'd like to have i.e. special midi buttons 1-3 to switch between different sets of midi mappings.

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Sorry, I can't research that right now. But why don't you download
MIDI Pipe and check it out? It's a free appl.

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>> > Could you use MidiPipe (OSX) for swapping midi banks?
>
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>
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Of course, when you're at the fest it's hard to catch everyone - but
some of the highlights for me from the acts I saw were the freshness
of Planet Loop's ensemble performance, the incredible head of steam
Kevin K. was working up until the tragic computer crash, David Cooper
Orton (although I was quite annoyed that such a fine set directly
preceded mine!), Rick playing with everyone, Peter Cor, who I thought
did a nice job of producing grooves and melodies in real time (it
seemed), Onyx Ashanti, who was just smokin', Ariane Cap's political
song, the quirky songs of Entertainment for the Braindead.

To make one general critical observation: I noticed in a number of the
sets (and truly, I don't even know whether this happened in mine or
not - it was probably more observable from the audience than the
stage) that a certain ringing effect might tend to take over the loop,
obscuring new and existing vocal and instrumental parts. Perhaps this
was the intention in some sets, but I couldn't help suspecting
unintentional reverb buildup in the loop. Wondering if it might be
time to start experimenting with sending un-verbed signals into the
loop and adding reverb to the loop output instead.

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also not ot be under estimated is the Digitech DIgideays loop/hold

=20

holding the pedal begins record and releasing goes imediatly to the start o=
f the loop. its also possible to add other overdub cycles.

=20

because of the format of one press to loop rather then two you can tap it f=
or millisecond loops .

=20

the only hard part is disengaging it which requires another quick tap=2C bu=
t its still useable with practice.

=20

phill
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> Date: Sat=2C 24 Oct 2009 18:02:46 +0200
> Subject: Re: Does this effect exist?
> From: perboysen@gmail.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=20
> You could simply call it "the freeze effect". The trick is not the
> effect but how to route it related to the live signal. If using a
> delay effect you should set it up to react to your momentary pedal
> control by adding the wet signal to the live signal when pressed down.
> When not pressed down there should be no volume and now feedback for
> the effect's "wet" path=2C it should simply be bypassed.
>=20
> When David Gilmore did this trick he froze chords and played solo over
> it. Your approach to freeze one note and then back it up with chords
> sounds more fun.
>=20
> The VG-99 can do an awesome freeze controlled by the beam. Check out
> YouTube demo's for that.
>=20
> Greetings from Sweden
>=20
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On Sat=2C Oct 24=2C 2009 at 5:41 PM=2C Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.c=
om> wrote:
> > I feel it would be useful to have a "freeze" effect that=2C while a foo=
tswitch
> > was held down=2C would seamlessly loop the previous n milliseconds of s=
ound
> > (with n probably between 150 and 400 or so). This is perhaps for a solo=
 jazz
> > guitar context=2C but there certainly are other applications. So if i h=
ad a
> > note that i was playing that I wanted to sustain while I drop in say=2C=
 a
> > couple of filler chords=2C i could hit the button and hold it down to d=
o this
> > (and=2C obviously=2C the chords would *not* be input to the freeze func=
tion). I
> > don't know what you'd call this - "fingerless infinite sustain"? Anyway=
=2C
> > maybe this is doable with one of the reverbs I have=2C or maybe there's=
 some
> > kind of dedicated effect. any ideas?
> >
> > Thanks=2C
> > Warren
> >
>=20
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also not ot be under estimated is the Digitech DIgideays loop/hold<BR>
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holding the pedal begins record and releasing goes imediatly to the start o=
f the loop. its also possible to add other&nbsp=3Boverdub cycles.<BR>
&nbsp=3B<BR>
because of the format of one press to loop rather then two you can tap&nbsp=
=3Bit for millisecond loops .<BR>
&nbsp=3B<BR>
the only hard part is disengaging it which requires another quick tap=2C bu=
t its still useable with practice.<BR>
&nbsp=3B<BR>
phill<BR>&nbsp=3B<BR>&gt=3B Date: Sat=2C 24 Oct 2009 18:02:46 +0200<BR>&gt=
=3B Subject: Re: Does this effect exist?<BR>&gt=3B From: perboysen@gmail.co=
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u could simply call it "the freeze effect". The trick is not the<BR>&gt=3B =
effect but how to route it related to the live signal. If using a<BR>&gt=3B=
 delay effect you should set it up to react to your momentary pedal<BR>&gt=
=3B control by adding the wet signal to the live signal when pressed down.<=
BR>&gt=3B When not pressed down there should be no volume and now feedback =
for<BR>&gt=3B the effect's "wet" path=2C it should simply be bypassed.<BR>&=
gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B When David Gilmore did this trick he froze chords and play=
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can do an awesome freeze controlled by the beam. Check out<BR>&gt=3B YouTub=
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 milliseconds of sound<BR>&gt=3B &gt=3B (with n probably between 150 and 40=
0 or so). This is perhaps for a solo jazz<BR>&gt=3B &gt=3B guitar context=
=2C but there certainly are other applications. So if i had a<BR>&gt=3B &gt=
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Hi Per

> Sorry, I can't research that right now. But why don't you download
> MIDI Pipe and check it out? It's a free appl.

Well, I do use Midi Pipe. I can define several settings for midi mapping/conversion etc.
But I haven't found a switch like this:
if midiparameter=1
then use midimappingA
elseif midiparameter=2
use midimappingB
...

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Hi Zoe

why don't you contact Xavier (Gordius pedals) and see if you can arrange a custom pedal with him?

Concerning color lights on buttons, maybe Jeff (Moebius) could be talked into integrating sending midi feedback from Mobius i.e. if it works with the new Novation Launchpad ;-)

Anyway, let us know what you come up with.

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MIDI Pipe's Message Converter can change any MIDI event into any
other. The part I'm not sure of without trying it out hands-on is if
you can assign external MIDI control to switch between alternative
"Pipes" in MIDI Pipe.

But you can do that in Bidule BTW. Setting up alternative MIDI
re-mappings and then switch between them by external MIDI. I have
personally use external MIDI Program Change together with the "Audio
Switcher" object to switch "presets" in Bidule. My presets were audio
effect chains, but you could just as well put a couple of MIDI
re-mapper's with appropriate settings into each preset. Then cable
external MIDI (except the PC events you are using for patch switching)
to pass through all presets; as only the active preset will let the
MIDI through into the main software. Then in the main software you
have to set the MIDI Input port to Bidules MIDI output instead of the
physical port.

When thinking about it, Bidule is so much better for this than MIDI
Pipe because Bidule is totally configurable. That means it can always
me tweaked to work with any odd gear.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com



On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:
> Hi Per
>
>> Sorry, I can't research that right now. But why don't you download
>> MIDI Pipe and check it out? It's a free appl.
>
> Well, I do use Midi Pipe. I can define several settings for midi mapping/=
conversion etc.
> But I haven't found a switch like this:
> if midiparameter=3D1
> then use midimappingA
> elseif midiparameter=3D2
> use midimappingB
> ...
>
> etc.
>
> best regards
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> Realistically, it is a good 
> idea to have some inexpensive looping device in your bag of tricks to save you if your primary system fails.

minimum setup for me: 
SM58 > adapter (impedance converter) > Boss RC-2 looper

Buzap.

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Per,
yep, that's exactly what I want. :) But getting Bidule just for this would be overkill, I think. 
Is there a good MidiPipe forum, btw? Couldn't find one.
rgds
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I actually contacted the boys at Monome. They are seriously =20
considering building a footpedal.
They apparently get a lot of inquiries about this.


On Oct 28, 2009, at 10:12 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote:

> Hi Zoe
>
> why don't you contact Xavier (Gordius pedals) and see if you can =20
> arrange a custom pedal with him?
>
> Concerning color lights on buttons, maybe Jeff (Moebius) could be =20
> talked into integrating sending midi feedback from Mobius i.e. if it =20=

> works with the new Novation Launchpad ;-)
>
> Anyway, let us know what you come up with.
>
> best regards
> Buzap
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Hi Warren

> unintentional reverb buildup in the loop. Wondering if it might be
> time to start experimenting with sending un-verbed signals into the
> loop and adding reverb to the loop output instead.
I never thought about recording Fx with the loop. I always put Fx after 
the looper. It enables me to avoid the "boring" character of a loop over 
the track.

And another example: I use loopers with analogue synths partially 
instead of a sequencer. This causes the problem that I cannot adjust the 
sound later (which is an important element if you are doing stupid 
dancefloor music like me). So I inserted a filter after the looper and 
recorded the original synth with a quite bright sound. Now I can do the 
typical filter sweeps used in this kind of music, though the sound is 
from a looper.

Florian

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On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:
> Hi Zoe
>
> why don't you contact Xavier (Gordius pedals) and see if you can arrange a custom pedal with
> him?

I would certainly inform Xavier about your needs or idea's. I know he
has added custom features to the Gordius, like 4 exp pedal inputs in
stead of 2. I think it was Andy Butler who requested that.

Second: Xavier is thinking of designing a successor for the current
models. I have been thinking about what the specs would of be for my
ultimate live looping foot controller. I haven't informed him about my
ideas but the time is now. It be close to the current Gordius but I
would improve the following:

- new physical model, preferably a flat model like the FCB1010
- support for more patches and presets in the editor

Idea: offer multiple models but with same specs:
- current model of little giant = 10 switches + up/down bank switches
- new flat model with 10 switches + up/down bank switches but without
the exp. pedals
- custom layout model containing the switches and a separate module
containing the Gordius "code"?

Btw: the Gordius module also works in combination with the Roland
FC-200 and FC-300, which are a little smaller than the FCB1010. Other
than that, you can connect it to any MFC but I'm sure which
functionality you can use.

-- 
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I wrote to both Gas Pedal and Gordius last year inquiring about a  
custom pedal. But no one seemed interested.
Then I found Bob Charest who customized an FCB1010 for me.

Anyway, I found a willing maker nerd who is working on a custom pedal  
for me right now!









On Oct 28, 2009, at 9:33 AM, Sjaak Overgaauw wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:
>> Hi Zoe
>>
>> why don't you contact Xavier (Gordius pedals) and see if you can  
>> arrange a custom pedal with
>> him?
>
> I would certainly inform Xavier about your needs or idea's. I know he
> has added custom features to the Gordius, like 4 exp pedal inputs in
> stead of 2. I think it was Andy Butler who requested that.
>
> Second: Xavier is thinking of designing a successor for the current
> models. I have been thinking about what the specs would of be for my
> ultimate live looping foot controller. I haven't informed him about my
> ideas but the time is now. It be close to the current Gordius but I
> would improve the following:
>
> - new physical model, preferably a flat model like the FCB1010
> - support for more patches and presets in the editor
>
> Idea: offer multiple models but with same specs:
> - current model of little giant = 10 switches + up/down bank switches
> - new flat model with 10 switches + up/down bank switches but without
> the exp. pedals
> - custom layout model containing the switches and a separate module
> containing the Gordius "code"?
>
> Btw: the Gordius module also works in combination with the Roland
> FC-200 and FC-300, which are a little smaller than the FCB1010. Other
> than that, you can connect it to any MFC but I'm sure which
> functionality you can use.
>
> -- 
> Sjaak Overgaauw
> http://premonitionfactory.com/
> http://livelooping.be/
> http://euroloopfest.com/
>

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also not ot be under estimated is the Digitech DIgideays loop/hold

=20

holding the pedal begins record and releasing goes imediatly to the start o=
f the loop. its also possible to add other overdub cycles.

=20

because of the format of one press to loop rather then two you can tap it f=
or millisecond loops .

=20

the only hard part is disengaging it which requires another quick tap=2C bu=
t its still useable with practice.

=20

phill
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> Date: Sat=2C 24 Oct 2009 18:02:46 +0200
> Subject: Re: Does this effect exist?
> From: perboysen@gmail.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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> You could simply call it "the freeze effect". The trick is not the
> effect but how to route it related to the live signal. If using a
> delay effect you should set it up to react to your momentary pedal
> control by adding the wet signal to the live signal when pressed down.
> When not pressed down there should be no volume and now feedback for
> the effect's "wet" path=2C it should simply be bypassed.
>=20
> When David Gilmore did this trick he froze chords and played solo over
> it. Your approach to freeze one note and then back it up with chords
> sounds more fun.
>=20
> The VG-99 can do an awesome freeze controlled by the beam. Check out
> YouTube demo's for that.
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> Greetings from Sweden
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> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
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> On Sat=2C Oct 24=2C 2009 at 5:41 PM=2C Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.c=
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> > I feel it would be useful to have a "freeze" effect that=2C while a foo=
tswitch
> > was held down=2C would seamlessly loop the previous n milliseconds of s=
ound
> > (with n probably between 150 and 400 or so). This is perhaps for a solo=
 jazz
> > guitar context=2C but there certainly are other applications. So if i h=
ad a
> > note that i was playing that I wanted to sustain while I drop in say=2C=
 a
> > couple of filler chords=2C i could hit the button and hold it down to d=
o this
> > (and=2C obviously=2C the chords would *not* be input to the freeze func=
tion). I
> > don't know what you'd call this - "fingerless infinite sustain"? Anyway=
=2C
> > maybe this is doable with one of the reverbs I have=2C or maybe there's=
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> > kind of dedicated effect. any ideas?
> >
> > Thanks=2C
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also not ot be under estimated is the Digitech DIgideays loop/hold

=20

holding the pedal begins record and releasing goes imediatly to the start o=
f the loop. its also possible to add other overdub cycles.

=20

because of the format of one press to loop rather then two you can tap it f=
or millisecond loops .

=20

the only hard part is disengaging it which requires another quick tap=2C bu=
t its still useable with practice.

=20

phill
=20
> Date: Sat=2C 24 Oct 2009 18:02:46 +0200
> Subject: Re: Does this effect exist?
> From: perboysen@gmail.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=20
> You could simply call it "the freeze effect". The trick is not the
> effect but how to route it related to the live signal. If using a
> delay effect you should set it up to react to your momentary pedal
> control by adding the wet signal to the live signal when pressed down.
> When not pressed down there should be no volume and now feedback for
> the effect's "wet" path=2C it should simply be bypassed.
>=20
> When David Gilmore did this trick he froze chords and played solo over
> it. Your approach to freeze one note and then back it up with chords
> sounds more fun.
>=20
> The VG-99 can do an awesome freeze controlled by the beam. Check out
> YouTube demo's for that.
>=20
> Greetings from Sweden
>=20
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On Sat=2C Oct 24=2C 2009 at 5:41 PM=2C Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.c=
om> wrote:
> > I feel it would be useful to have a "freeze" effect that=2C while a foo=
tswitch
> > was held down=2C would seamlessly loop the previous n milliseconds of s=
ound
> > (with n probably between 150 and 400 or so). This is perhaps for a solo=
 jazz
> > guitar context=2C but there certainly are other applications. So if i h=
ad a
> > note that i was playing that I wanted to sustain while I drop in say=2C=
 a
> > couple of filler chords=2C i could hit the button and hold it down to d=
o this
> > (and=2C obviously=2C the chords would *not* be input to the freeze func=
tion). I
> > don't know what you'd call this - "fingerless infinite sustain"? Anyway=
=2C
> > maybe this is doable with one of the reverbs I have=2C or maybe there's=
 some
> > kind of dedicated effect. any ideas?
> >
> > Thanks=2C
> > Warren
> >
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also not ot be under estimated is the Digitech DIgideays loop/hold<BR>
&nbsp=3B<BR>
holding the pedal begins record and releasing goes imediatly to the start o=
f the loop. its also possible to add other&nbsp=3Boverdub cycles.<BR>
&nbsp=3B<BR>
because of the format of one press to loop rather then two you can tap&nbsp=
=3Bit for millisecond loops .<BR>
&nbsp=3B<BR>
the only hard part is disengaging it which requires another quick tap=2C bu=
t its still useable with practice.<BR>
&nbsp=3B<BR>
phill<BR>&nbsp=3B<BR>&gt=3B Date: Sat=2C 24 Oct 2009 18:02:46 +0200<BR>&gt=
=3B Subject: Re: Does this effect exist?<BR>&gt=3B From: perboysen@gmail.co=
m<BR>&gt=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B Yo=
u could simply call it "the freeze effect". The trick is not the<BR>&gt=3B =
effect but how to route it related to the live signal. If using a<BR>&gt=3B=
 delay effect you should set it up to react to your momentary pedal<BR>&gt=
=3B control by adding the wet signal to the live signal when pressed down.<=
BR>&gt=3B When not pressed down there should be no volume and now feedback =
for<BR>&gt=3B the effect's "wet" path=2C it should simply be bypassed.<BR>&=
gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B When David Gilmore did this trick he froze chords and play=
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t up with chords<BR>&gt=3B sounds more fun.<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B The VG-99 =
can do an awesome freeze controlled by the beam. Check out<BR>&gt=3B YouTub=
e demo's for that.<BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B Greetings from Sweden<BR>&gt=3B <BR=
>&gt=3B Per Boysen<BR>&gt=3B www.boysen.se<BR>&gt=3B www.perboysen.com<BR>&=
gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B <BR>&gt=3B On Sat=2C Oct 24=2C 2009 at 5:41 PM=
=2C Warren Sirota &lt=3Bwsirota@wsdesigns.com&gt=3B wrote:<BR>&gt=3B &gt=3B=
 I feel it would be useful to have a "freeze" effect that=2C while a footsw=
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=3B note that i was playing that I wanted to sustain while I drop in say=2C=
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I could be interested too! Antony

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On Oct 28, 2009, at 6:22 PM, Zoe Keating <info@zoekeating.com> wrote:

I wrote to both Gas Pedal and Gordius last year inquiring about a custom pedal. But no one seemed interested.
Then I found Bob Charest who customized an FCB1010 for me.

Anyway, I found a willing maker nerd who is working on a custom pedal for me right now!









On Oct 28, 2009, at 9:33 AM, Sjaak Overgaauw wrote:

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:
Hi Zoe

why don't you contact Xavier (Gordius pedals) and see if you can arrange a custom pedal with
him?

I would certainly inform Xavier about your needs or idea's. I know he
has added custom features to the Gordius, like 4 exp pedal inputs in
stead of 2. I think it was Andy Butler who requested that.

Second: Xavier is thinking of designing a successor for the current
models. I have been thinking about what the specs would of be for my
ultimate live looping foot controller. I haven't informed him about my
ideas but the time is now. It be close to the current Gordius but I
would improve the following:

- new physical model, preferably a flat model like the FCB1010
- support for more patches and presets in the editor

Idea: offer multiple models but with same specs:
- current model of little giant = 10 switches + up/down bank switches
- new flat model with 10 switches + up/down bank switches but without
the exp. pedals
- custom layout model containing the switches and a separate module
containing the Gordius "code"?

Btw: the Gordius module also works in combination with the Roland
FC-200 and FC-300, which are a little smaller than the FCB1010. Other
than that, you can connect it to any MFC but I'm sure which
functionality you can use.

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> Anyway, I found a willing maker nerd who is working on a custom pedal for me
> right now!

lol pedal maker nerd...that's the word :)

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Attention,

I am Sgt Marvin Oliver,i am delighted to inform you that the contract panel here in London that just concluded its seating here in our department have just released your name among their immunity agent that will benefit from the diplomatic immunity payment. This panel was primarily delegated by the united nation to investigate manipulated over-invoiced payment as the effect has eaten deep into the economy of our country united kingdom.

I hereby inform you that the united nation and British government has choosing you as their immunity agent there in your country to stand and receive this total amount of $10.1 million dollars by cash immunity delivery to your country which you are to meet with the diplomats on their arrival there in your country international airport to enable them take the clearance on face to face clearing with the customs at the airport to enable them move it to your doorstep without any inspection by the government agent as it has been directed by the united nation and British government.

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stunning. 21,000 samples in the acoustic section alone!

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 1:21 AM, Chris Sewell <lunamusic@mac.com> wrote:

> http://www.spectrasonics.net/instruments/trilian_videos.php
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stunning. 21,000 samples in the acoustic section alone!<br><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 1:21 AM, Chris Sewell <span dir=3D=
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Raul Bonell wrote:
> http://www.moogmusic.com/controllers/?section=product&product_id=21141 
> <http://www.moogmusic.com/controllers/?section=product&product_id=21141>
> 
> -- 
> Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com
> Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com


If only the CV part had been a separate detachable module, so it could 
be placed in a rig for controlling manual gear..


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On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:21 AM, Chris Sewell <lunamusic@mac.com> wrote:
> http://www.spectrasonics.net/instruments/trilian_videos.php

Yes, I too think Spectrasonics focuses on great products! Since around
-90 I've been following Eric Persing's brilliant work with sample
libraries that now have led us to these amazing virtual instruments.
Make sure you have a big hard drive to use this one; Trilian's library
is 34 GB! If you go for Omnisphere too, that is a good complement it
means at least the double. And you also need RMX for a full
Spectrasonics based production facility. Personally I only use RMX but
this is an amazing rhythm tool for producing music recordings "in the
box". I keep a quite big RMX library plus the Logic STudio 40 to 59 GB
library on the Macbook. If going for more sample based instruments I
would need to start using an external fw/usb drive only for the
libraries and that feels  sort of counter productive with regard to
"the laptop philosophy" of portability.

As for Omnisphere, it has interesting arpeggiating capabilities that
may be hard to get elsewhere. I didn't like the sound of it in the
online demo videos though, which initially turned me off. But later on
I have heard from a film composer in the Logic community that many
others have made the mistake to discredit Omnisphere "at first listen"
and this person says that it really sounds much better when you have
it in your hands compared to how it sounds in the demo videos.

RMX seems more useful though, because of its excellent randomization.
It now supports any rhythm meter (just made a "reggae" in 7/8 with it)
and instant MIDI groove template import/export with a host
application. I've had great fun recording funk style guitar vamps and
letting RMX play them back with the "Chaos" randomization function.

For my own needs a synth as Alchemy is more useful though, than
Trilian or Omnisphere, because Alchemy can also be used for granular
synthesis stretching (where it sounds remarkably close to the looper
Electrixpro Repeater at slow speed vs few grains). Unlike the Repeater
and Metsynth Alchemy is fully "automizable" within a host application.
Riverrun (from Audio Ease) is another good automizable OSX granular
synthesis plugin, but it lacks the vast synth paradigm of Alchemy.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com

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> minimum setup for me:
> SM58 > adapter (impedance converter) > Boss RC-2 looper

Ok, if this is meant to be a "who has the smallest setup" contest,
here's another idea: K=F6nigssee ;) (shout as loud as you can and have
the echoes from the mountains be your looper)

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Wow that's really great, yey BILL!..

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:31 PM, <nemoguitt@aol.com> wrote:

> KISS may be on the cover but our very own YOUNG WILLY WALKER can be seen on
> page 34 teaching the gospel of loop!.....what a sweet sweet lad!!!!!
>
>
>
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Wow that&#39;s really great, yey BILL!..<br><br>
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Has anyone used Trilogy or Trilian with a guitar-to-MIDI converter?
It seems to be designed mostly for keyboard players to simulate the
various articulations you have with stringed instruments.  For controllers
that can actually do slides, hammer-ons, etc. does it still feel
relatively natural to the player?

I have guitar synths so I know they always feel a bit funny,=20
I'm just curious if the keyboard controller bias gets in the way.

I would think hammer-ons & pull-offs would work well provided the
MIDI converter handles legato correctly.  Using "shift keys" to
get to glides and X-notes wouldn't work so well with a guitar controller
but I guess you could access those with a footswitch.

Jeff=20

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http://www.spectrasonics.net/instruments/trilian_videos.php


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I do. I just got Trillian yesterday and have been playing with it non- 
stop. If you watch those videos, you'll see how it deals with those  
issues. It's VERY realistic. The velocities are set so close, and  
they use a round robin system for noises, (string noises, fret buzz,  
etc) so even playing staccato every note sounds a little different.
Or you can set gliss, x notes, slide, vibrato, staccato, fret buzz  
and string noise samples to different pedals. I have them set up to a  
bank on an fcb. Hard to explain, but its all in those demos.
The Chapman stick is crazy good too.

I also use Omnisphere layered with an acoustic guitar. It has all  
these beautiful bowed and ebowed samples that sound astoundingly good  
with an acoustic instrument. The tracking flaws of the axon actually  
are a strength with these sounds. It adds randomness that really  
benefits the patches.
I'll try to post video. I'm really bad at that, but I'm learning.

Chris



On Oct 29, 2009, at 1:03 PM, Jeff Larson wrote:

> Has anyone used Trilogy or Trilian with a guitar-to-MIDI converter?
> It seems to be designed mostly for keyboard players to simulate the
> various articulations you have with stringed instruments.  For  
> controllers
> that can actually do slides, hammer-ons, etc. does it still feel
> relatively natural to the player?
>
> I have guitar synths so I know they always feel a bit funny,
> I'm just curious if the keyboard controller bias gets in the way.
>
> I would think hammer-ons & pull-offs would work well provided the
> MIDI converter handles legato correctly.  Using "shift keys" to
> get to glides and X-notes wouldn't work so well with a guitar  
> controller
> but I guess you could access those with a footswitch.
>
> Jeff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Sewell [mailto:lunamusic@mac.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 8:21 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: A great example of how far music technology has come
>
> http://www.spectrasonics.net/instruments/trilian_videos.php
>
>

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A good trick with MIDI guitar is to send each string's MIDI on a
separate MIDI channel. Then set the synth to six monophonic voices
with pitch bend set to 12 semi tones. If your gear can work that way,
check if Trilian supports such a setup. If it does, there's a fair
chance it works ok with MIDI guitar.

(I have not used Trilian in particular, but played a lot of MIDI
guitar - enough to hate it)

Trilian is quite pricey, so why don't you save up for a VG-99 instead?
There you have no tracking, resulting in better timing and more
expressive playability since it is working the real sound of the audio
input.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com



On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> wr=
ote:
> Has anyone used Trilogy or Trilian with a guitar-to-MIDI converter?
> It seems to be designed mostly for keyboard players to simulate the
> various articulations you have with stringed instruments. =C2=A0For contr=
ollers
> that can actually do slides, hammer-ons, etc. does it still feel
> relatively natural to the player?
>
> I have guitar synths so I know they always feel a bit funny,
> I'm just curious if the keyboard controller bias gets in the way.
>
> I would think hammer-ons & pull-offs would work well provided the
> MIDI converter handles legato correctly. =C2=A0Using "shift keys" to
> get to glides and X-notes wouldn't work so well with a guitar controller
> but I guess you could access those with a footswitch.
>
> Jeff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Sewell [mailto:lunamusic@mac.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 8:21 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: A great example of how far music technology has come
>
> http://www.spectrasonics.net/instruments/trilian_videos.php
>
>
>

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Stone Document live at Alphabet Lounge, NYC, Thursday, November 5th @ 8 pm!

Stone Document will be taking a break from research and development (and
attacking our recording process from three directions) to play a set of
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We're scheduled to go on at 8 pm and we're only doing one set so get there
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Thanks as always for your support!

mark

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On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 5:31 PM,  <nemoguitt@aol.com> wrote:
> YOUNG WILLY WALKER can be seen on page 34 teaching the gospel of loop!

Very nice news! Congratulations, Bill! Got to get that issue when it
crosses the pool.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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I had a 99. I hated it. It made me sound like a Roland demo at a Namm  
show. If you know what I mean. :)
Besides, the AxonAX50 tracks really well.
I actually got Trilian for free as I was a Trilogy user that switched  
to an intel mac.

Chris


On Oct 29, 2009, at 1:29 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

> A good trick with MIDI guitar is to send each string's MIDI on a
> separate MIDI channel. Then set the synth to six monophonic voices
> with pitch bend set to 12 semi tones. If your gear can work that way,
> check if Trilian supports such a setup. If it does, there's a fair
> chance it works ok with MIDI guitar.
>
> (I have not used Trilian in particular, but played a lot of MIDI
> guitar - enough to hate it)
>
> Trilian is quite pricey, so why don't you save up for a VG-99 instead?
> There you have no tracking, resulting in better timing and more
> expressive playability since it is working the real sound of the audio
> input.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Jeff Larson  
> <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> wrote:
>> Has anyone used Trilogy or Trilian with a guitar-to-MIDI converter?
>> It seems to be designed mostly for keyboard players to simulate the
>> various articulations you have with stringed instruments.  For  
>> controllers
>> that can actually do slides, hammer-ons, etc. does it still feel
>> relatively natural to the player?
>>
>> I have guitar synths so I know they always feel a bit funny,
>> I'm just curious if the keyboard controller bias gets in the way.
>>
>> I would think hammer-ons & pull-offs would work well provided the
>> MIDI converter handles legato correctly.  Using "shift keys" to
>> get to glides and X-notes wouldn't work so well with a guitar  
>> controller
>> but I guess you could access those with a footswitch.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Sewell [mailto:lunamusic@mac.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 8:21 PM
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Subject: A great example of how far music technology has come
>>
>> http://www.spectrasonics.net/instruments/trilian_videos.php
>>
>>
>>
>

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Hi Chris,

I emailed Spectra about that.
I am Intel Mac as well- but I can't see how to get the free upgrade.
Any ideas?

Jim

On 29 Oct 2009, at 18:25, Chris Sewell wrote:

> I had a 99. I hated it. It made me sound like a Roland demo at a  
> Namm show. If you know what I mean. :)
> Besides, the AxonAX50 tracks really well.
> I actually got Trilian for free as I was a Trilogy user that  
> switched to an intel mac.
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Oct 29, 2009, at 1:29 PM, Per Boysen wrote:
>
>> A good trick with MIDI guitar is to send each string's MIDI on a
>> separate MIDI channel. Then set the synth to six monophonic voices
>> with pitch bend set to 12 semi tones. If your gear can work that way,
>> check if Trilian supports such a setup. If it does, there's a fair
>> chance it works ok with MIDI guitar.
>>
>> (I have not used Trilian in particular, but played a lot of MIDI
>> guitar - enough to hate it)
>>
>> Trilian is quite pricey, so why don't you save up for a VG-99  
>> instead?
>> There you have no tracking, resulting in better timing and more
>> expressive playability since it is working the real sound of the  
>> audio
>> input.
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.boysen.se
>> www.perboysen.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com 
>> > wrote:
>>> Has anyone used Trilogy or Trilian with a guitar-to-MIDI converter?
>>> It seems to be designed mostly for keyboard players to simulate the
>>> various articulations you have with stringed instruments.  For  
>>> controllers
>>> that can actually do slides, hammer-ons, etc. does it still feel
>>> relatively natural to the player?
>>>
>>> I have guitar synths so I know they always feel a bit funny,
>>> I'm just curious if the keyboard controller bias gets in the way.
>>>
>>> I would think hammer-ons & pull-offs would work well provided the
>>> MIDI converter handles legato correctly.  Using "shift keys" to
>>> get to glides and X-notes wouldn't work so well with a guitar  
>>> controller
>>> but I guess you could access those with a footswitch.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chris Sewell [mailto:lunamusic@mac.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 8:21 PM
>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>> Subject: A great example of how far music technology has come
>>>
>>> http://www.spectrasonics.net/instruments/trilian_videos.php
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

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You had to have authorized Trilogy on a G4. Their records will  
conform that. So now if you have an Intel, you will get it for free.  
You need to create a new account, and click on the upgrade button,  
then put in your Trilogy serial.
Chris

On Oct 29, 2009, at 2:27 PM, James Richmond wrote:

> Hi Chris,
>
> I emailed Spectra about that.
> I am Intel Mac as well- but I can't see how to get the free upgrade.
> Any ideas?
>
> Jim
>
> On 29 Oct 2009, at 18:25, Chris Sewell wrote:
>
>> I had a 99. I hated it. It made me sound like a Roland demo at a  
>> Namm show. If you know what I mean. :)
>> Besides, the AxonAX50 tracks really well.
>> I actually got Trilian for free as I was a Trilogy user that  
>> switched to an intel mac.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> On Oct 29, 2009, at 1:29 PM, Per Boysen wrote:
>>
>>> A good trick with MIDI guitar is to send each string's MIDI on a
>>> separate MIDI channel. Then set the synth to six monophonic voices
>>> with pitch bend set to 12 semi tones. If your gear can work that  
>>> way,
>>> check if Trilian supports such a setup. If it does, there's a fair
>>> chance it works ok with MIDI guitar.
>>>
>>> (I have not used Trilian in particular, but played a lot of MIDI
>>> guitar - enough to hate it)
>>>
>>> Trilian is quite pricey, so why don't you save up for a VG-99  
>>> instead?
>>> There you have no tracking, resulting in better timing and more
>>> expressive playability since it is working the real sound of the  
>>> audio
>>> input.
>>>
>>> Greetings from Sweden
>>>
>>> Per Boysen
>>> www.boysen.se
>>> www.perboysen.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Jeff Larson  
>>> <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> wrote:
>>>> Has anyone used Trilogy or Trilian with a guitar-to-MIDI converter?
>>>> It seems to be designed mostly for keyboard players to simulate the
>>>> various articulations you have with stringed instruments.  For  
>>>> controllers
>>>> that can actually do slides, hammer-ons, etc. does it still feel
>>>> relatively natural to the player?
>>>>
>>>> I have guitar synths so I know they always feel a bit funny,
>>>> I'm just curious if the keyboard controller bias gets in the way.
>>>>
>>>> I would think hammer-ons & pull-offs would work well provided the
>>>> MIDI converter handles legato correctly.  Using "shift keys" to
>>>> get to glides and X-notes wouldn't work so well with a guitar  
>>>> controller
>>>> but I guess you could access those with a footswitch.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Chris Sewell [mailto:lunamusic@mac.com]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 8:21 PM
>>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>>> Subject: A great example of how far music technology has come
>>>>
>>>> http://www.spectrasonics.net/instruments/trilian_videos.php
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

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Hi Chris,

Yes I did all that- it gave me a $99 upgrade.
I guess I'll wait for their email response.

Jim

On 29 Oct 2009, at 18:36, Chris Sewell wrote:

> You had to have authorized Trilogy on a G4. Their records will  
> conform that. So now if you have an Intel, you will get it for free.  
> You need to create a new account, and click on the upgrade button,  
> then put in your Trilogy serial.
> Chris
>
> On Oct 29, 2009, at 2:27 PM, James Richmond wrote:
>
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> I emailed Spectra about that.
>> I am Intel Mac as well- but I can't see how to get the free upgrade.
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Jim

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from Bob Sellon himself

http://www.stecrecords.com/?RecordId=397


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 so i went to the flicker site and could not view the pictures as a "slide=
 show".....my old e-mac is totally out of the loop.....no longer does vide=
os due to the fact that i can not dl the latest "flash player".....asi es=
 la vita!.....i go to "cali" and apple discontinues the 24" i-mac.....so=
 the fates are pushing me towards the NEW SUPER SLICK 27" i-mac.....OH YOU=
 FATES!!!!!.....i won that "east/west" complete composer collection, "over=
 217 Gigabytes of high-quality virtual instuments....." which i have no id=
ea what to do with but am drooling at the mouth to use it......i'm just a=
 guitar playing luddite and have no idea what i'm getting into.....i have=
 done zero recording in my puter so that is an adventure in itself.....any=
one willing to help guide me through this techno morass, OFF LIST of cours=
e, please do so.....my overall aim is to make videos with my tunes as back=
ground.....simple enuf.....you are more than welcome to come stay here and=
 i will feed and cloth you for the duration (robes and soup!).....danka-ro=
o-ski.....:)m

=20

 p.s. for what it's worth, i will not get a P.C.....:)



=20



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I have ceased my subscription to GP quite some time ago (and I  
wouldn't be caught dead buying a KISS covered magazine in a milion  
years) so I'm hopin' someone will eventually scan page 34 and post it  
somewheres.

On Oct 29, 2009, at 9:31 AM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:

> KISS may be on the cover but our very own YOUNG WILLY WALKER can be  
> seen on page 34 teaching the gospel of loop!.....what a sweet sweet  
> lad!!!!!
>
>
>
>

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i'm witcha on that Tedster

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>From: tEd =C2=AE KiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net>
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>I have ceased my subscription to GP quite some time ago (and I =20
>wouldn't be caught dead buying a KISS covered magazine in a milion =20
>years) so I'm hopin' someone will eventually scan page 34 and post it =20
>somewheres.
>
>On Oct 29, 2009, at 9:31 AM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:
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>> KISS may be on the cover but our very own YOUNG WILLY WALKER can be =20
>> seen on page 34 teaching the gospel of loop!.....what a sweet sweet =20
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Hey everyone!

Thanks for some great info and discussions to follow over the past  
year.  I am going to sign off this list, as I don't think I have  
anything I can offer. You are all such fine live musicians, however I  
don't play out at all, so it feels a bit odd for me to stick around as  
live looping is almost always the predominent subject!

I leave you with my musical Halloween treat!   Please visit: www.YouTube.com/larjschoen

Take care and always remain creative!

Andy


To listen to some of my music please visit: www.RocknRollUniverse.net

It's a Rock-N-Roll Universe!

>

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> Ok, if this is meant to be a "who has the smallest setup" contest,
> here's another idea: K=F6nigssee ;) (shout as loud as you can and have
> the echoes from the mountains be your looper)


hmm ... not exactly small!  and difficult to transport

-Michael

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I've got a Lexicon JamMan if anyone wants it before I put it up on eBay.

On Oct 29, 2009, at 10:08 PM, andy butler wrote:

> from Bob Sellon himself
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> http://www.stecrecords.com/?RecordId=397
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On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 9:45 PM, James Richmond <richmondjames@me.com> wrote:
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> Yes I did all that- it gave me a $99 upgrade.


Check out this guy ranting about Trilian upgrade being free for
Trilogy Mac users:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbbni5HLZA8

("Funny Friday" Off Topic warning)

Per

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Godwin's law in action.
Neat.

On 30 Oct 2009, at 10:48, Per Boysen wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 9:45 PM, James Richmond  
> <richmondjames@me.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yes I did all that- it gave me a $99 upgrade.
>
>
> Check out this guy ranting about Trilian upgrade being free for
> Trilogy Mac users:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbbni5HLZA8
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> ("Funny Friday" Off Topic warning)
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> Per
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i wanted to ask you people how powerful his new imacs are for recording=0At=
hinking about getting one as well=0Acheers=0Awww.myspace.com/luisangulocom=
=0A=0A=0A--- nemoguitt@aol.com <nemoguitt@aol.com> schrieb am Do, 29.10.200=
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test "flash=0A> player".....asi es la vita!.....i go to=0A> "cali" and appl=
e discontinues the 24"=0A> i-mac.....so the fates are pushing me towards th=
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ast/west" complete composer collection,=0A> "over 217 Gigabytes of high-qua=
lity virtual=0A> instuments....." which i have no idea what to do with=0A> =
but am drooling at the mouth to use it......i'm just a=0A> guitar playing l=
uddite and have no idea what i'm getting=0A> into.....i have done zero reco=
rding in my puter so that is=0A> an adventure in itself.....anyone willing =
to help guide me=0A> through this techno morass, OFF LIST of course, please=
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ound.....simple enuf.....you are more than welcome to=0A> come stay here an=
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Hello Luis

L.Angulo schrieb:
> i wanted to ask you people how powerful his new imacs are for recording
> thinking about getting one as well

I would not recommend an imac due to a simple physical reason: recording 
requires to attach different additional gear (interfaces, 
harddrives,...); it would not be very lucky when the connectors are 
placed at the rearside of your monitor. All the cool styling will be 
lost when all the cabling lianas will hang from the monitor.

Also the position of the DVD/CD drive is not very lucky for a musicians 
workplace. At least at my studio, the monitor is placed a top of the 
mixing console and behind a masterkeyboard. It is around four feet away 
from me - I imagine it to be quite annoying to handle the disk drive 
when burning my daily audio CD (ok, maybe I am oldfashioned).

I don't know whether the imac can be noisy due to ventilation sounds; 
but if it would, I would be close to impossible to keep away the noise 
from a microphone if you record inside the control room.

To my opinion a separated computer - let it be a mac mini or a closed 
mac book (which is what I use) with an external monitor is more suited 
for a recording studio

Florian

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On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 2:24 PM, L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
> i wanted to ask you people how powerful his new imacs are for recording
> thinking about getting one as well


The new iMacs are exceptionally powerful for recording, due to the Nehalem
CPU. I've heard engineers working on new octa cores that feel "cheated" by
Apple's release of this iMac. Not optimally portable, as a Macbook Pro, but
I guess you could not find more bangs for the bucks today if needing a
studio machine for recording CPU demanding stuff, as in huge multi channel
projects. All spec's are up there on the web but here is a quick quote:

Faster processors.
> Quad-core power.
> The available quad-core Intel Core i5 or Core i7 =E2=80=9CNehalem=E2=80=
=9D processor in the
> 27-inch iMac puts four processing cores on one die, so data doesn=E2=80=
=99t have to
> travel far to get from core to core. This boosts application performance =
up
> to 2x over the previous-generation iMac.1 And unlike systems that connect
> memory to the processor through a separate controller, these quad-core
> processors connect memory directly to the processor, improving memory
> bandwidth up to 2.5x.2
>

I personally do not need that much computing power for recording and also
need a portable solution, so I would rather go for a Mac Mini (check the ne=
w
spec's!) or a Macbook Pro.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com

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On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 2:24 PM, L.Angulo &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:labaloops@y=
ahoo.com">labaloops@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; i wanted to ask you pe=
ople how powerful his new imacs are for recording<br>&gt; thinking about ge=
tting one as well<br>
<br><br>The new iMacs are exceptionally powerful for recording, due to the =
Nehalem CPU. I&#39;ve heard engineers working on new octa cores that feel &=
quot;cheated&quot; by Apple&#39;s release of this iMac. Not optimally porta=
ble, as a Macbook Pro, but I guess you could not find more bangs for the bu=
cks today if needing a studio machine for recording CPU demanding stuff, as=
 in huge multi channel projects. All spec&#39;s are up there on the web but=
 here is a quick quote: <br>
<br><blockquote style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin:=
 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;" class=3D"gmail_quote">Faster proces=
sors.<br>Quad-core power.<br>The available quad-core Intel Core i5 or Core =
i7 =E2=80=9CNehalem=E2=80=9D processor in the 27-inch iMac puts four proces=
sing cores on one die, so data doesn=E2=80=99t have to travel far to get fr=
om core to core. This boosts application performance up to 2x over the prev=
ious-generation iMac.1 And unlike systems that connect memory to the proces=
sor through a separate controller, these quad-core processors connect memor=
y directly to the processor, improving memory bandwidth up to 2.5x.2<br>
</blockquote><br>I personally do not need that much computing power for rec=
ording and also need a portable solution, so I would rather go for a Mac Mi=
ni (check the new spec&#39;s!) or a Macbook Pro. <br><br>Greetings from Swe=
den<br>
<br>Per Boysen <br><a href=3D"http://www.boysen.se">www.boysen.se</a><br><a=
 href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com">www.perboysen.com</a>

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Hi there,

I use a MacBook Pro at home.

But at the office we have had a long stream of Macs and iMacs of  
various sorts.

We upgrade pretty often.

Recently, my employers upgraded me from an IMac tat was only about 2  
years old with the white plastic housing/screen-frame, to a newer  
model with the all aluminum housing/screen-frame.

There was not a big performance boost at all but I have noticed that  
the ventilation fan is now audible on the newer one where on the older  
one it was not noticeable at all (practically silent).

If a person plans on recording right in front of their computer with a  
mic this could be somewhat annoying.

Of course, external hard drives and all sorts of other peripherals can  
make noise too - so those need to be chosen with care as well.

The latest iMacs being advertised do have significantly faster  
processing speeds (and of course those beautiful large screens) plus  
ship with the SnowLeopard OS standard.

If price is a barrier for a new machine, I would opt for a used/ 
refurbished one from a reputable dealer.

Best,

Ted

On Oct 30, 2009, at 6:24 AM, L.Angulo wrote:

> i wanted to ask you people how powerful his new imacs are for  
> recording
> thinking about getting one as well
> cheers
> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>
>
> --- nemoguitt@aol.com <nemoguitt@aol.com> schrieb am Do, 29.10.2009:
>
>> Von: nemoguitt@aol.com <nemoguitt@aol.com>
>> Betreff: i-mac
>> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Datum: Donnerstag, 29. Oktober 2009, 15:06
>>
>> so i went to the flicker site and could not view
>> the pictures as a "slide show".....my old e-mac is
>> totally out of the loop.....no longer does videos due to the
>> fact that i can not dl the latest "flash
>> player".....asi es la vita!.....i go to
>> "cali" and apple discontinues the 24"
>> i-mac.....so the fates are pushing me towards the NEW SUPER
>> SLICK 27" i-mac.....OH YOU FATES!!!!!.....i won that
>> "east/west" complete composer collection,
>> "over 217 Gigabytes of high-quality virtual
>> instuments....." which i have no idea what to do with
>> but am drooling at the mouth to use it......i'm just a
>> guitar playing luddite and have no idea what i'm getting
>> into.....i have done zero recording in my puter so that is
>> an adventure in itself.....anyone willing to help guide me
>> through this techno morass, OFF LIST of course, please do
>> so.....my overall aim is to make videos with my tunes as
>> background.....simple enuf.....you are more than welcome to
>> come stay here and i will feed and cloth you for the
>> duration (robes and
>> soup!).....danka-roo-ski.....:)m
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> p.s. for what it's worth, i will not get a
>> P.C.....:)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

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Fuckin' hilarious! (I can laugh cuz I'm getting a free upgrade!)



> Check out this guy ranting about Trilian upgrade being free for
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Fuckin&#39; hilarious! (I can laugh cuz I&#39;m getting a free upgrade!)<div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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</div>Check out this guy ranting about Trilian upgrade being free for<br>
Trilogy Mac users:<br>
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hello, I just joined this list and would like to introduce myself. I am 
an art student in Braunschweig Germany. My focus is mainly on 
composition and performance with the use of the voice. I am studying 
with Prof. Ulrich Eller in the Sound Art Class here.

I have recently discovered the potential of live looping as a means of 
realtime composition. And am interested learning about all this 
technique especially regarding the use of Ableton, (which still gives me 
a bit of a headache.)Since I always worked very intuitively live looping 
seems to be the best way to still keep accessing the full potential of 
the moment and still orchestrate many instruments.

my setup: mobile PA- Set (on rolls) w/ microphone, MacBookPro, Ableton, 
midi keyboard, and my voice... I can just about it carry it all by 
self... just dont have a car yet.

Thank you to those who set up the listserver and the very imformative 
website.

If anyone is interested in listening to some of my work, it is located 
on ubetoo. Here is one version of a song that seems to change everytime 
I play it.

http://www.ubetoo.com/nirmala07/21701

best wishes,

Nadia Salom
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On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Nadia Salom <nadia.salom@gmx.de> wrote:

> I have recently discovered the potential of live looping as a means of
> realtime composition. And am interested learning about all this technique
> especially regarding the use of Ableton, (which still gives me a bit of a
> headache.)Since I always worked very intuitively live looping seems to be
> the best way to still keep accessing the full potential of the moment and
> still orchestrate many instruments.
>


Hi,

And welcome to this list!  :-)

Since you have Ableton Live you can start with the Live plugin Looper (new
with Live 8.0). Here comes the first choice in live looping technique: Do
you want to set the tempo for Live by starting with creating a loop with
your mic/instrument input? Or do you want to first start Live and listen for
the tempo to play in before starting to layer audio in the Looper plugin?
These are two very different approaches. Personally I only use the first one
- where you create the first loop and set the tempo for all electronics
based on your playing - and I can't really say much about the other method
except that it works more like usual multi track recording. You have to make
a setting in Live's Looper plugin in order to extract the tempo and set it
for the application. Play around with one loop and learn to kick the Looper
plugin into Overdub Mode and layer audio while you control its Feedback (how
much of old layers that will be fed back into the loop) by a pedal or fader.
Learn tricks like overdubbing one rhythm with voice/instrument while pumping
a counter rhythm with the feedback pedal foot to change the background
layers. This very simply setup can be taken quite far in musical terms.

Second step in looping technique could be to use two parallel loops. This
can be done by opening a second Looper plugin on a second track. If you did
set the first one to pick up the tempo for Live you should set this second
looper to slave to this, Live's, tempo.

As the third step I'd like to see the technique of layering a long recording
over the span of a couple of loop repeats. This action is called "Multiply"
and is not supported by the plugin Looper in Live. My favorite looper plugin
that supports Multiply is Mobius. Create your first loop, make a couple of
overdubs and then chose Multiply and play/sing a line that evolves while
your old loop is being repeated in the background. The Multiply action keeps
layering your input input and making the loop longer until you chose
Multiply a second time.

A fourth technique may be to switch loop. Live's Looper doesn't support
that, but with Mobius you give a command named "Next Loop" what happens then
is that the recent loop stops playing and a new one is starting to be
created by your audio input. But maybe you want to do this jumping between
alternative loops on a parallel loop, so you can always hear what you
recorded in the first loop? A typical performance scenario could then be:

1. Create a rhythm pattern as the first loop.
2. Layer a variation or fill into this first loop.
3. Select a new track and create a new loop in parallel with more tonal
material. This could be "intro" or "verse".
4. While still working on track 2 go Next Loop and create "verse 2" (rhythm
on track 1/Loop 1 will be heard constantly)

I think this is a much anyone can say about "looping technique". The rest is
up to you and depends on what music you want to create. You have to think
about what parts of the music that will be repeated in shorter loops and
crate those parts early before multiplying. You may also want to make loops
of different lengths to create rhythmic variation as they glide in and out
of beat matching, overdubbing one layer in reverse mode or substituting
short slices of the loop with new input.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com

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On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Nadia Salom <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:nadia.salom@gmx.de">nadia.salom@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-le=
ft: 1ex;">
<div id=3D":1am" class=3D"ii gt">I have recently discovered the potential o=
f live looping as a means of realtime composition. And am interested learni=
ng about all this technique especially regarding the use of Ableton, (which=
 still gives me a bit of a headache.)Since I always worked very intuitively=
 live looping seems to be the best way to still keep accessing the full pot=
ential of the moment and still orchestrate many instruments.</div>
</blockquote></div><br><br>Hi,<br><br>And welcome to this list!=C2=A0 :-)=
=C2=A0 <br><br>Since you have Ableton Live you can start with the Live plug=
in Looper (new with Live 8.0). Here comes the first choice in live looping =
technique: Do you want to set the tempo for Live by starting with creating =
a loop with your mic/instrument input? Or do you want to first start Live a=
nd listen for the tempo to play in before starting to layer audio in the Lo=
oper plugin? These are two very different approaches. Personally I only use=
 the first one - where you create the first loop and set the tempo for all =
electronics based on your playing - and I can&#39;t really say much about t=
he other method except that it works more like usual multi track recording.=
 You have to make a setting in Live&#39;s Looper plugin in order to extract=
 the tempo and set it for the application. Play around with one loop and le=
arn to kick the Looper plugin into Overdub Mode and layer audio while you c=
ontrol its Feedback (how much of old layers that will be fed back into the =
loop) by a pedal or fader. Learn tricks like overdubbing one rhythm with vo=
ice/instrument while pumping a counter rhythm with the feedback pedal foot =
to change the background layers. This very simply setup can be taken quite =
far in musical terms. <br>
<br>Second step in looping technique could be to use two parallel loops. Th=
is can be done by opening a second Looper plugin on a second track. If you =
did set the first one to pick up the tempo for Live you should set this sec=
ond looper to slave to this, Live&#39;s, tempo. <br>
<br>As the third step I&#39;d like to see the technique of layering a long =
recording over the span of a couple of loop repeats. This action is called =
&quot;Multiply&quot; and is not supported by the plugin Looper in Live. My =
favorite looper plugin that supports Multiply is Mobius. Create your first =
loop, make a couple of overdubs and then chose Multiply and play/sing a lin=
e that evolves while your old loop is being repeated in the background. The=
 Multiply action keeps layering your input input and making the loop longer=
 until you chose Multiply a second time. <br>
<br>A fourth technique may be to switch loop. Live&#39;s Looper doesn&#39;t=
 support that, but with Mobius you give a command named &quot;Next Loop&quo=
t; what happens then is that the recent loop stops playing and a new one is=
 starting to be created by your audio input. But maybe you want to do this =
jumping between alternative loops on a parallel loop, so you can always hea=
r what you recorded in the first loop? A typical performance scenario could=
 then be: <br>
<br>1. Create a rhythm pattern as the first loop. <br>2. Layer a variation =
or fill into this first loop. <br>3. Select a new track and create a new lo=
op in parallel with more tonal material. This could be &quot;intro&quot; or=
 &quot;verse&quot;. <br>
4. While still working on track 2 go Next Loop and create &quot;verse 2&quo=
t; (rhythm on track 1/Loop 1 will be heard constantly)<br><br>I think this =
is a much anyone can say about &quot;looping technique&quot;. The rest is u=
p to you and depends on what music you want to create. You have to think ab=
out what parts of the music that will be repeated in shorter loops and crat=
e those parts early before multiplying. You may also want to make loops of =
different lengths to create rhythmic variation as they glide in and out of =
beat matching, overdubbing one layer in reverse mode or substituting short =
slices of the loop with new input. <br>
<br>Greetings from Sweden<br><br>Per Boysen<br><a href=3D"http://www.boysen=
.se">www.boysen.se</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.perboysen.com">www.perboyse=
n.com</a><br><br><br><br>

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My own building has taken over my lab so I need to move some of the other
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Hi Nadia and others

> http://www.ubetoo.com/nirmala07/21701

is there any trick how to get to see something? OS X 10.4.11, Firefox3, 
latest flashplayer; I get the site, but no video (sometime some advert 
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i don't think there's video other than adverts. just audio.

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> Hi Nadia and others
>
>> http://www.ubetoo.com/nirmala07/21701
>
> is there any trick how to get to see something? OS X 10.4.11, Firefox3,
> latest flashplayer; I get the site, but no video (sometime some advert
> appears, but nothing that looks like a video-player)
>
> Florian
>
>



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Wow, thank you Mr. Boysen so much for the extensive email. It is 
incredibly informative. I have done 3-4 performances already and have 
only used Ableton without an extra loop plug in. I just routed the many 
tracks into one where I placed some effects, and then toggled the 
different tracks on or off...w/ the mapped out keyboard, or with the 
mouse... it was a bit cumbersome. I would set the length for my MIDI 
loops which I would record live, but for the Audio tracks, I couldn't 
figure how to do that. So I just let my own intuition decided when the 
loop was over. It seemed to work very well. It had a bit of a ethereal 
and random effect.
The more I get aware of the different techniques the better. I am using 
Ableton 6 so I might be forced try the Mobius plugin. I really want to 
start switching from different loops, to provide for some variation.
@Florian and @Warren
The link I sent was just audio. I also have a video of one performance I 
did. Unfortunately the camera is shaking because my daughter decided to 
get creative while filming...There is also another video...

Here is the link: http://www.ubetoo.com/nirmala07/18737

I hope it works.

Thanks for listening
best wishes
nadia

Per Boysen schrieb:
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Nadia Salom <nadia.salom@gmx.de 
> <mailto:nadia.salom@gmx.de>> wrote:
>
>     I have recently discovered the potential of live looping as a
>     means of realtime composition. And am interested learning about
>     all this technique especially regarding the use of Ableton, (which
>     still gives me a bit of a headache.)Since I always worked very
>     intuitively live looping seems to be the best way to still keep
>     accessing the full potential of the moment and still orchestrate
>     many instruments.
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> And welcome to this list!  :-) 
>
> Since you have Ableton Live you can start with the Live plugin Looper 
> (new with Live 8.0). Here comes the first choice in live looping 
> technique: Do you want to set the tempo for Live by starting with 
> creating a loop with your mic/instrument input? Or do you want to 
> first start Live and listen for the tempo to play in before starting 
> to layer audio in the Looper plugin? These are two very different 
> approaches. Personally I only use the first one - where you create the 
> first loop and set the tempo for all electronics based on your playing 
> - and I can't really say much about the other method except that it 
> works more like usual multi track recording. You have to make a 
> setting in Live's Looper plugin in order to extract the tempo and set 
> it for the application. Play around with one loop and learn to kick 
> the Looper plugin into Overdub Mode and layer audio while you control 
> its Feedback (how much of old layers that will be fed back into the 
> loop) by a pedal or fader. Learn tricks like overdubbing one rhythm 
> with voice/instrument while pumping a counter rhythm with the feedback 
> pedal foot to change the background layers. This very simply setup can 
> be taken quite far in musical terms.
>
> Second step in looping technique could be to use two parallel loops. 
> This can be done by opening a second Looper plugin on a second track. 
> If you did set the first one to pick up the tempo for Live you should 
> set this second looper to slave to this, Live's, tempo.
>
> As the third step I'd like to see the technique of layering a long 
> recording over the span of a couple of loop repeats. This action is 
> called "Multiply" and is not supported by the plugin Looper in Live. 
> My favorite looper plugin that supports Multiply is Mobius. Create 
> your first loop, make a couple of overdubs and then chose Multiply and 
> play/sing a line that evolves while your old loop is being repeated in 
> the background. The Multiply action keeps layering your input input 
> and making the loop longer until you chose Multiply a second time.
>
> A fourth technique may be to switch loop. Live's Looper doesn't 
> support that, but with Mobius you give a command named "Next Loop" 
> what happens then is that the recent loop stops playing and a new one 
> is starting to be created by your audio input. But maybe you want to 
> do this jumping between alternative loops on a parallel loop, so you 
> can always hear what you recorded in the first loop? A typical 
> performance scenario could then be:
>
> 1. Create a rhythm pattern as the first loop.
> 2. Layer a variation or fill into this first loop.
> 3. Select a new track and create a new loop in parallel with more 
> tonal material. This could be "intro" or "verse".
> 4. While still working on track 2 go Next Loop and create "verse 2" 
> (rhythm on track 1/Loop 1 will be heard constantly)
>
> I think this is a much anyone can say about "looping technique". The 
> rest is up to you and depends on what music you want to create. You 
> have to think about what parts of the music that will be repeated in 
> shorter loops and crate those parts early before multiplying. You may 
> also want to make loops of different lengths to create rhythmic 
> variation as they glide in and out of beat matching, overdubbing one 
> layer in reverse mode or substituting short slices of the loop with 
> new input.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se <http://www.boysen.se>
> www.perboysen.com <http://www.perboysen.com>
>
>
>


-- 
Nadia Salom
http://www.nirmala07.net

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welcome to the list Nadia!

I use cello with ableton + sooperlooper.  its very stable and, after i  
got through the initial learning phase, has become very fluid.



On Oct 30, 2009, at 10:26 AM, Nadia Salom wrote:

> hello, I just joined this list and would like to introduce myself. I  
> am an art student in Braunschweig Germany. My focus is mainly on  
> composition and performance with the use of the voice. I am studying  
> with Prof. Ulrich Eller in the Sound Art Class here.
>
> I have recently discovered the potential of live looping as a means  
> of realtime composition. And am interested learning about all this  
> technique especially regarding the use of Ableton, (which still  
> gives me a bit of a headache.)Since I always worked very intuitively  
> live looping seems to be the best way to still keep accessing the  
> full potential of the moment and still orchestrate many instruments.
>
> my setup: mobile PA- Set (on rolls) w/ microphone, MacBookPro,  
> Ableton, midi keyboard, and my voice... I can just about it carry it  
> all by self... just dont have a car yet.
>
> Thank you to those who set up the listserver and the very  
> imformative website.
>
> If anyone is interested in listening to some of my work, it is  
> located on ubetoo. Here is one version of a song that seems to  
> change everytime I play it.
>
> http://www.ubetoo.com/nirmala07/21701
>
> best wishes,
>
> Nadia Salom
> nirmala07
>
>
> -- 
> Nadia Salom
> http://www.nirmala07.net
> http://www.ubetoo.com/nirmala07
>

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   So, there I was, hanging with my good buddies Gene, Paul, The guy that
looks like Ace, and their drummer who spontaneously combusted during our get
together so I forget his name. We were talking about the usual stuff, our
playmate wives/girlfriends, groupies we've slept with, our investments and
marketing strategy, you know usual, rock star stuff, When Gene said, " Hey
Bill, why don't you do a looping clinic at the Guitar Player Live Event, in
downtown Livermore, and show all those Shrapnel dudes what real guitar
playing is", And I said, "well gee Gene, I don't know about that, I'm not
exactly a shredder, but if you can pull some strings, I'd be happy to spread
the gospel of looping in Livermore California". So He sent his body gaurds
to visit Barry Cleveland @ GP,  and make a "suggestion" to Barry that he
have me come participate. Barry of course was more than happy to oblige, in
fact, his voice over the phone was positively trembling with excitement,
saying the body guards were still there and would I please tell them that he
needed no further convincing. Those Kiss dudes are sweet guys.

Bill

 

 


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TUESDAY NOVEMBER 3RD . THE AMBiENT PiNG
presents SPUTNiK 2 LAUNCHiNG LAiKA featuring
BETA CLOUD + NAW + THE SALES DEPARTMENT
+ GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS
@ Supermarket  . 268 Augusta Ave . Kensington Market .
    just south of College  .  Map, info and directions at:
    http://www.supermarkettoronto.com/site/section/contact
    PiNG doors open at 8pm . 1st set at 8:30 . $6
    (Note - As there's 3 acts we'll strive to start promptly.)

. Beta Cloud . Beta Cloud aims to span the sonic ground between
avant/improv/instrumental performance and ambient/drone/dj
sound installation. All compositions are performed improvised in
real time. Noise, hiss, and dynamic peaks, sub and supersonics
are intentional and controlled to ensure a maximum lo-fi listening
experience. The aim of Beta Cloud is to provide intensity,
relaxation, positive aggression, and a sense of passionate
response to all listeners. http://www.myspace.com/thebetacloud

NAW . Montreal ex-pat naw (Neil Wiernik) who currently calls
Toronto his home, began composing electronic music in 1988 with
explorations in audio art and experimental music. Neil's interest in
sound and technology has lead him to a continued questioning and
refinement of audio tools and modes of production resulting in
experimentation with altered instruments, modified devices, and
custom software environments. Neil's music could be described
as warm, atmospheric, and cinematic electronic music. The sound
design of naw is firmly grounded in the rich traditions of dub studio
culture but can also be weighed alongside formal contemporary
composition. His music was described in "The Wire" as having
" ...the kind of sharpness and clarity usually lost amid the murk
and decay of clicks and cuts and digital delays." Neil has released
music on various labels including noise factory records and on
elevation recordings for his most recent project whisper room.
His online HQ is http://www.phoniq.net

THE SALES DEPARTMENT . The Sales Department is MD Matheson
who performed last at the PiNG in the C'est What/Club Nia days as
Beef Terminal. The music of The Sales Department departs from
the sonic and effects laden guitar work of Beef Terminal as there
is a heavier electronic feel to his music now, focused on an
emotional and mental connection with the music, through classic
IDM rhythmic structures and ambient soundscapes that ultimately
work as time machines. As with Beef Terminal, the music is still
designed to reflect life in the urban and suburban landscapes.
The dichotomy of the messy city and the clean cut lawns of the
suburbs. This is music for travelling between opposing worlds.
The Sales Department has recently released an new album
Measured Life. http://www.thesalesdepartment.ca

. General Chaos Visuals . The Chaos guys (Stephen Lindsey
and Eric Siegerman) will be back to light up the PiNG with their
unique, compelling and mind bending light paintings.
http://www.generalchaosvisuals.com

For those of you who can't make it out to experience this show's
visuals and music live and in person, we'll be streaming this show
live to the net thanks to the Supermarket's partnership with
SyncLive. Watch the PiNG web space for more details soon.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

check out ping things latest free downloadable net label release:

"Of Uncertain Aspect" by Pholde.

ping things is very pleased to announce that their latest net
release featuring music by one of the most respected artists in
the ambient/abstract musical genres is now available for free
download. Of Uncertain Aspect by Pholde features music taken
from a live performance at Toronto's AMBiENT PiNG event that
captures the unique sound stylings of Alan Bloor at his best.
Using found metal objects that are bowed, stroked and struck
percussively, Bloor creates a fascinating and inspiring aural
landscape that builds and grows organically over time, engaging
the listener in a challenging, but ultimately rewarding listen.

Of Uncertain Aspect is available for free download as a 48 Mb Zip
file containing the full release in high quality 256kbps mp3 format
along with artwork suitable for printing. The music on this release
is copyright Alan Bloor 2008/2009 and may not be used or
reproduced without the artist's express permission.

Download "Of Uncertain Aspect" by Pholde here:
http://www.archive.org/details/OfUncertainAspect

ping things: http://www.pingthings.com

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Looking for something more to plug into, then don't forget to check
out the other free downloadable net label releases from ping things:
. dreamSTATE (a decade dreaming)
. subduction current (iNTHiSHOUSE)
. Spatial Correlation (Les Landes)
. Phil Ogison (The Perfect City)
. Andrew Duke (Aqua)
. Nunc Stans (Land)
. Ortiz (Where did we come from defcon?)
. mara's torment (tactile)
. Building Castles Out of Matchsticks (October Sky)
. Remora (Ensoulment)
. Panoramaroid (Music for Travellers #2)
. mara's torment (fluctuations)
. Spatial Correlation (Love and the Fear of Poverty)
. Reinholt56 (Mechanism of the Soul)

All releases are available as free downloadable Zip files
containing the full release in high quality 256kbps mp3
format along with artwork suitable for printing. The
music on these releases is copyright controlled by
the original rights holders and may not be used or
reproduced without the artists' express permission.
http://www.pingthings.com/PTlabel.htm
http://www.pingthings.com

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Also check out the ALMOST LiVE SERiES sets by Numina,
MWVM, NAW, Panoramaroid, Remora, Resonant Drift,
Salvagesound and URM archived and downloadable at:
http://www.ambientpingradio.blogspot.com

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

THE AMBiENT PiNG is a Toronto based creative community of
audio artists, performers, musicians and visual artists. The PiNG
presents live multimedia performances featuring ambient, electronic,
soundscape, space, drone, psychedelic, chillout, downtempo,
darkwave and experimental artists from around the world.
http://www.theambientping.com

ViSiT ping things for ambient, electronic and chill things:
http://www.pingthings.com

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That's really rich Bill!  Excellent - you know I knew there was something
about that cover, a sly wink in the boy's 'starry' eyes that suggested they
were looking out for you...

congrats...

Jim

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 7:30 PM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>wro=
te:

>     So, there I was, hanging with my good buddies Gene, Paul, The guy tha=
t
> looks like Ace, and their drummer who spontaneously combusted during our =
get
> together so I forget his name. We were talking about the usual stuff, our
> playmate wives/girlfriends, groupies we=92ve slept with, our investments =
and
> marketing strategy, you know usual, rock star stuff, When Gene said, =93 =
Hey
> Bill, why don=92t you do a looping clinic at the Guitar Player Live Event=
, in
> downtown Livermore, and show all those Shrapnel dudes what real guitar
> playing is=94, And I said, =94well gee Gene, I don=92t know about that, I=
=92m not
> exactly a shredder, but if you can pull some strings, I=92d be happy to s=
pread
> the gospel of looping in Livermore California=94. So He sent his body gau=
rds
> to visit Barry Cleveland @ GP,  and make a =93suggestion=94 to Barry that=
 he
> have me come participate. Barry of course was more than happy to oblige, =
in
> fact, his voice over the phone was positively trembling with excitement,
> saying the body guards were still there and would I please tell them that=
 he
> needed no further convincing. Those Kiss dudes are sweet guys.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>



--=20
ReUse, an introspective textural aural
www.myspace.com/CtReUse

music links...
www.jimgoodinmusic.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com
www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic
www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro
www.myspace.com/jindream
www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic

video work/editing...
www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital

social networking...
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That&#39;s really rich Bill! =A0Excellent - you know I knew there was somet=
hing about that cover, a sly wink in the boy&#39;s &#39;starry&#39; eyes th=
at suggested they were looking out for you...<div><br></div><div>congrats..=
.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Jim<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 30, 2=
009 at 7:30 PM, William Walker <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bill=
walker@baymoon.com">billwalker@baymoon.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc =
solid;padding-left:1ex;">









<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">

<div>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-=
size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">=A0=A0 So, there I was, hanging with my good=
 buddies
Gene, Paul, The guy that looks like Ace, and their drummer who spontaneousl=
y
combusted during our get together so I forget his name. We were talking abo=
ut
the usual stuff, our playmate wives/girlfriends, groupies we=92ve slept
with, our investments and marketing strategy, you know usual, rock star stu=
ff,
When Gene said, =93 Hey Bill, why don=92t you do a looping clinic at
the Guitar Player Live Event, in downtown Livermore, and show all those
Shrapnel dudes what real guitar playing is=94, And I said, =94well gee Gene=
,
I don=92t know about that, I=92m not exactly a shredder, but if you can
pull some strings, I=92d be happy to spread the gospel of looping in
Livermore California=94. So He sent his body gaurds to visit Barry Clevelan=
d
@ GP, =A0and make a =93suggestion=94 to Barry that he have me come
participate. Barry of course was more than happy to oblige, in fact, his vo=
ice
over the phone was positively trembling with excitement, saying the body gu=
ards
were still there and would I please tell them that he needed no further
convincing. Those Kiss dudes are sweet guys.</span></font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-=
size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Bill</span></font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-=
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</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>ReUse, an introspective=
 textural aural<br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/CtReUse">www.myspace.c=
om/CtReUse</a><br><br>music links...<br><a href=3D"http://www.jimgoodinmusi=
c.com">www.jimgoodinmusic.com</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com">www.chinapaintingmusic.com</a=
><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic">www.myspace.com/jimg=
oodinmusic</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic">www=
.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro">www.myspace.com/j=
imgoodinviolinelectro</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/jindream">ww=
w.myspace.com/jindream</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmu=
sic">www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic</a><br>
<br>video work/editing...<br><a href=3D"http://www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigit=
al">www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital</a><br><br>social networking...<br><a hr=
ef=3D"http://www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic">www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic=
</a><br>
<br>
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Sorry for the delay. Y2K9 was really great this year, the music was
fantastic, for me it was the best yet, on many levels, not the least of
which was that I stayed relaxed and I didn't take on too many
responsibilities for the festival.  Also, I practiced what I had been
preaching to any one who solicited my advice, and perhaps some that didn't.
I simplified my rig and limited my choices. I didn't switch instruments
every tune and I didn't bring a second looper which for me means a second
pedal board. I also played only lap steel and mostly acoustic lap steel,
save for the one electric lap  piece at the end that Kalimba Man joined me
on. Not bringing a standard electric or acoustic guitar  is like leaving a
security blanket at home, but I'm glad I simplified, as I was able to relax
in to playing the one instrument and not having to worry about changing
guitars.  I had one major technical snafu, that being a weird feedback loop
that built up into a wild roar on my Looperlative, that I had no choice but
to reboot the LP-1, but it actually sounded kind of cool. Maybe that was the
roaring reverb tha warren was metioning:-)

What makes the event the most meaningful for me is meeting and hanging out
with friends both old and new.  It takes me a while to recover from this
event because I go through a period of missing everyone who was just here,
and the stimulation and creative synergy that ensues. I would imagine it's a
bit like a movie set where people convene from all corners of the globe,
bond, work together toward a common creative goal, and then just as quickly
scatter to the wind. So thanks everyone who was involved who came and played
and /or helped out, I'm not even going to begin to acknowledge you
individually for fear of missing someone so pardon my cop out. One person
who I neglected to thank though after he so eloquently introduced me before
my set  is Rick, because without his energy, will power and creativity we
wouldn't even be having this discussion. I can't wait till next year.

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least
of which was that I stayed relaxed and I didn&#8217;t take on too many
responsibilities for the festival. &nbsp;Also, I practiced what I had =
been preaching
to any one who solicited my advice, and perhaps some that didn&#8217;t. =
I
simplified my rig and limited my choices. I didn&#8217;t switch =
instruments
every tune and I didn&#8217;t bring a second looper which for me means a =
second
pedal board. I also played only lap steel and mostly acoustic lap steel, =
save
for the one electric lap &nbsp;piece at the end that Kalimba Man joined =
me on.
Not bringing a standard electric or acoustic guitar &nbsp;is like =
leaving a
security blanket at home, but I&#8217;m glad I simplified, as I was able =
to
relax in to playing the one instrument and not having to worry about =
changing
guitars. &nbsp;I had one major technical snafu, that being a weird =
feedback
loop that built up into a wild roar on my Looperlative, that I had no =
choice
but to reboot the LP-1, but it actually sounded kind of cool. Maybe that =
was
the roaring reverb tha warren was metioning</span></font><font size=3D2
face=3DWingdings><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings'>J</span></font><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p=
>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>What makes the event the most meaningful for me is =
meeting
and hanging out with friends both old and new. &nbsp;It takes me a while =
to
recover from this event because I go through a period of missing =
everyone who
was just here, and the stimulation and creative synergy that ensues. I =
would
imagine it&#8217;s a bit like a movie set where people convene from all =
corners
of the globe, bond, work together toward a common creative goal, and =
then just
as quickly scatter to the wind. So thanks everyone who was involved who =
came
and played and /or helped out, I&#8217;m not even going to begin to =
acknowledge
you individually for fear of missing someone so pardon my cop out. One =
person
who I neglected to thank though after he so eloquently introduced me =
before my
set &nbsp;is Rick, because without his energy, will power and creativity =
we
wouldn&#8217;t even be having this discussion. I can&#8217;t wait till =
next
year.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Bill &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Bill,

That's a really nice post. I loved your set. There was both beauty and
mastery, and it came together wonderfully.

As you said, Rick made this happen. I'm honored that I was included,
and I want to give Rick more props for a really amazing event. Thank
you Rick.

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 7:01 PM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wr=
ote:
> Sorry for the delay. Y2K9 was really great this year, the music was
> fantastic, for me it was the best yet, on many levels, not the least of
> which was that I stayed relaxed and I didn=92t take on too many
> responsibilities for the festival. =A0Also, I practiced what I had been
> preaching to any one who solicited my advice, and perhaps some that didn=
=92t.
> I simplified my rig and limited my choices. I didn=92t switch instruments
> every tune and I didn=92t bring a second looper which for me means a seco=
nd
> pedal board. I also played only lap steel and mostly acoustic lap steel,
> save for the one electric lap =A0piece at the end that Kalimba Man joined=
 me
> on. Not bringing a standard electric or acoustic guitar =A0is like leavin=
g a
> security blanket at home, but I=92m glad I simplified, as I was able to r=
elax
> in to playing the one instrument and not having to worry about changing
> guitars. =A0I had one major technical snafu, that being a weird feedback =
loop
> that built up into a wild roar on my Looperlative, that I had no choice b=
ut
> to reboot the LP-1, but it actually sounded kind of cool. Maybe that was =
the
> roaring reverb tha warren was metioningJ
>
> What makes the event the most meaningful for me is meeting and hanging ou=
t
> with friends both old and new. =A0It takes me a while to recover from thi=
s
> event because I go through a period of missing everyone who was just here=
,
> and the stimulation and creative synergy that ensues. I would imagine it=
=92s a
> bit like a movie set where people convene from all corners of the globe,
> bond, work together toward a common creative goal, and then just as quick=
ly
> scatter to the wind. So thanks everyone who was involved who came and pla=
yed
> and /or helped out, I=92m not even going to begin to acknowledge you
> individually for fear of missing someone so pardon my cop out. One person
> who I neglected to thank though after he so eloquently introduced me befo=
re
> my set =A0is Rick, because without his energy, will power and creativity =
we
> wouldn=92t even be having this discussion. I can=92t wait till next year.
>
> Bill



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myspace [dot] com/artsimon

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As in the last installment of the MSSS, my bi-weekly series of
internet audio/video transmission, I was focusing heavily on synths
and programmed drums (and liked it a lot), today's episode will be
centered around acoustic instruments.

Note that due to the end of DST, the session will start at 1700UTC -
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I had to really resist the temptation to bring my whole studio as well, but
I kept telling myself, its only 30 minute, its only 30 minutes. I thought
you played great this year, Ted and I didn't miss the mountains; you
certainly were not lacking the capability to create a range of shadow and
light.   Thanks again for the great poster, I'll have to find out again
where t-shirts can be made.
 Thanks for all you do.
 Bill
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From: tEd R KiLLiAn [mailto:tedkillian@charter.net] 
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 9:03 AM
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Subject: Re: Y2K9

Dear Bill,

Thanks again for the sage advice.

I did simplify this year and it went much better (no gremlins at least).

It certainly felt better (both physically and emotionally) than last  
year . . . and many previous years.

For those that don't know, every year previous I would bring mountains  
of gear and pretty well be damn exhausted by the time I had to play.

Too exhausted to play actually.

I kept wanting to replicate on-stage what I can do at home (and other  
places and occasions where I can setup in a more relaxed fashion).

Given the logistic strictures of this festival, I been always doomed  
to fail (one way or another) before I even played a note

This year went better . . . not great but better.

And I owe the thanks of that to you.

Thanks Bill.

Many thanks too to Rick for his tireless efforts each year on behalf  
of this event.

I know it takes a lot out of him (and Chris too).

And, other than doing the poster this year, he gave me leave to skip  
out on doing much of anything else while there.

That also helped with my level of relaxation when finally I got my  
turn on stage.

Thanks Rick!

Peace,

Ted

On Oct 30, 2009, at 7:01 PM, William Walker wrote:

> Also, I practiced what I had been preaching to any one who solicited  
> my advice, and perhaps some that didn't. I simplified my rig and  
> limited my choices.

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assigned claims agent immediately to process the remittance of the prize
sum to you.